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GOOD EVENING.[Planning and Zoning on February 4, 2025.]
I'D LIKE TO CALL THE CITY OF HU PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 4TH, 2025 TO ORDER.AND I AM VICE CHAIR BOYER, AND I'M HERE AND EVERYONE ELSE IS ABSENT.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE.
WE'LL GO INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR, 4.1, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JANUARY 7TH, 2025.
ITEM 4.2 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO DISAPPROVE THE PROPOSED GOAL OF PHASE FOUR, FINAL PLAT 24.05, TWO ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND, 133 RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND FOUR OPEN SPACE LOTS, LOCATED ON FM 1660 SOUTH.
AND ITEM 4.3 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.
THE PROPOSED COTTONWOOD, PHASE FIVE, LOTS, ONE AND 10 BLOCK X AMENDING PLAT 20.081 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND.
ONE RESIDENTIAL LOT AND ONE OPEN SPACE DRAINAGE LOT LOCATED SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 1 32 AND NORTH OF FM 1660 SOUTH.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HUDSON TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STEWART WORKED.
ANY DISCUSSION? WELL, I DUNNO IF IT'S A DISCUSSION, BUT DO WE HAVE THE OPTION TO REQUEST SOMETHING TO BE PULLED? MM-HMM
I WOULD LIKE TO PULL 4.3 JUST TO UNDERSTAND THE CONDITIONS.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, BUT Y'ALL HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT WHETHER WE'RE GONNA PULL IT.
WELL, CAN WE JUST GET THAT THE CONDITIONS ANSWERED BEFORE WE VOTE? IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT ONE, YOU CAN.
WELL, YEAH, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE, UH, PAGE 44, YOU KNOW, THE AGENDA ITEM REPORT.
AND IT REALLY DOESN'T GO INTO A LOT EXCEPT WHERE IT SAYS STAFF REVIEW THE PLAN OF SUBJECTS LAW IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT ALL THE CONDITIONS ARE.
OH, UM, FOR CLARIFICATION, THE CONDITIONS ARE INCLUDED ON PAGE 47, UM, TO 49.
WE INCLUDED THE PLAQUE WITH THOSE NOTES ON THE, OH, THE NUMBERS ON THE ACTUAL DOC.
SO IT'S JUST TO CORRECT THOSE NOTES.
SO IT'S JUST APPROVAL WITH, SO, AND JUST IN GENERAL, THESE ARE JUST BASICALLY, IT'S JUST CLEANUP, CLEANUP LIKE BRIAN FOR RICHARD.
SO IF THAT'S THE EXTENT OF THEM, I HAVE NO, NO FURTHER OBJECTION.
YEAH, IT'S JUST, IT'S MINOR CLEANUP ITEMS THAT, UM, FOR ANYTHING UNDER THE SHOT C**K BILL, WE CAN DO APPROVAL, DENIAL OR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
AND THESE ARE SO SIMPLE THAT WE JUST WANT TO I KNOW.
NO, THE MOVE, THE, THE THING
UM, SO IT REALLY IS, IT'S JUST CLEANUP THINGS.
YEAH, WE'RE NOT GONNA BRING SOMETHING, I FORGET TO LOOK IN THOSE THAT THEY'RE MAJOR CONDITIONS THAT STILL NEED A LOT OF, UM, STAFF TIME.
SO THESE ARE JUST CLEANUP IN NATURE, BUT, UM, CERTAINLY KIND STAFF FELT COMFORTABLE WITH THE NATURE OF THIS POT AND CERTAINLY WHERE THIS POT ORIGINATED FROM, WHICH IS REALLY HELPING OUT OUR EDC.
THERE'S SOME EASEMENT THINGS GOING ON OVER THERE.
UM, WE WENT AHEAD AND PUT IT ON SO WE COULD HAVE APPROVAL OF CONDITIONS.
SO NO MORE? I DON'T, I DO NOT.
I HAVE RESCIND MY REQUEST TO PULL.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HUDSON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STEWART TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
UH, AFTER DISCUSSION, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND VOTE.
IT PASSES FOUR TO ZERO ITEM FIVE, AGENDA ITEM FIVE, SORRY, A 5.1 PRESENTATION ON THE PROPOSED MAJOR CHANGES IN THE UPCOMING UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS FOR THE RECORD.
ASHLEY DAILY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR.
UM, THIS ITEM REALLY IS, WE HAVE THE SLIDES UP HERE THAT, UH, WERE PROVIDED IN THE DOCUMENT.
THIS REALLY IS JUST A CALL FOR HELP.
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PLEASE GO ONLINE, LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE ONLINE.THESE ARE ALL THE MAJOR CHANGES THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, BUT OUR DOCUMENT IS ONLINE AND LIVE AND WE ARE, UM, REQUESTING ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO GO ONLINE, JUST GET THE WORD OUT AND GET THE COMMENTS IN.
WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS PAGE BY PAGE IF YOU WANT TO, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE TO.
THESE ARE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING FOR PRETTY MUCH THE LAST YEAR.
UM, BUT WANTED TO GET THE INFORMATION AHEAD OF YOU AND JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS LIVE ONLINE.
IT IS A, UH, HOSTED SITE BY OUR CONSULTANT, FREESON NICHOLS.
AND YOU ARE ABLE TO GO IN AND JUST SEARCH.
SO IF THERE'S ONE THING YOU WANT TO GO SEE, YOU CAN LOG IN, YOU CAN MAKE ALL THE COMMENTS, THEY'RE COMPILING EVERYTHING FOR US.
UM, AND THE WINDOW TO GET THOSE IN IS GOING TO BE THROUGH MID-FEBRUARY.
AND THEN WE WILL BE HOSTING AN OPEN HOUSE ON FEBRUARY 13TH.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING THAT FROM ABOUT, I THINK WE SAID FOUR TO 7:00 PM SO THAT WE CAN HIT THE EARLIER CROWD SO THEY CAN HOME FOR DINNER IF THEY WANT TO, IF THEY HAVE SMALLS AND THEY WANT TO COME BY OR ALSO ON THE WAY HOME CROWD.
WHAT, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE DEADLINE DATE FOR SUBMITTING COMMENTS? WE ARE LOOKING AT THE FRIDAY AFTER, SO PROBABLY MID-FEBRUARY, BUT KNOWING THAT WE'RE HAVING THE OPEN HOUSE ON THE 13TH, THIS, KEEP IN MIND, THIS HAS BEEN UP ONLINE SINCE MID-DECEMBER.
I, AND WELL, PRIOR TO, UM, CHRISTMAS, AND WE ARE, WE STILL DON'T HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS ON THIS SOMETIMES.
NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS SOMETIMES.
SO OPEN HOUSE ON THE 13TH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SURPRISE, OR THE 15TH OF 13TH, THE OPEN HOUSE WILL BE ON THURSDAY THE 13TH.
SO WE NEED TO HAVE THE COMMENTS IN BEFORE THEN, IF YOU CAN.
IF YOU WANNA WAIT, WE WILL HAVE COPIES OF THE MAJOR CHANGES AT THAT MEETING AND WE'LL BE WILLING TO DISCUSS, WE CAN HAVE, UM, THAT SITE UP AS WELL.
SO PEOPLE WANT TO GO IN AND LOOK.
WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT GONNA PRECLUDE PEOPLE, BUT WE ALSO NEED TIME TO COMPILE ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE THEM.
AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE TIME TO PRESENT, BECAUSE WE WILL BE BRINGING THIS BACK TO YOU, UM, BOTH THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE OR UDC AND THAT ENGINEERING MANUAL TO YOU IN MARCH, AT YOUR MARCH MEETING.
UM, I NOTICE ON THE, THIS UDC ORGANIZATION, I GUESS THAT'S, UH, I GUESS IT'S PAGE TWO.
YOU HAVE LAND USE DEVELOPMENT AND SUBDIVISION BOLDED.
IS THERE, IS THAT WHERE MOST OF THE CHANGES WERE? OR WHY ARE THEY BOLDED? FOR WHICH PAGE? UM, THE SECOND PAGE.
YEAH, I KNOW WHY THEY'RE BOLDED.
EVERYTHING PRETTY MUCH WAS CHANGED.
I GUESS MY, MY, MY, MY SPIRIT OF MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT THAT PAGE RIGHT THERE, I APOLOGIZE FOR ON MY PART FOR, YOU KNOW, NOT LOOKING AT THIS MORE CLOSELY, BUT IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN MAKE ME MORE EFFICIENT TO TARGET? IS THERE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT YOU BELIEVE, AND I HAVE ALL THE CONFIDENCE IN THE WORLD AND STAFF AND, AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO FOCUS MORE ON IF WE HAVE LIMITED TIME BETWEEN NOW? AND I WOULD SAY IF YOU DO HAVE LIMITED TIME, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE ARE ALL EXTREMELY BUSY, UM, FOCUS ON THE AREAS THAT YOU ARE USUALLY LOOKING FOR OR NOTICING WHEN YOU ARE OUT IN THE GOOD POINT IN HU BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY GOING TO AFFECT CHANGE ON THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE ALWAYS LIKE, MAN, I REALLY WISH THAT OUR DRIVEWAYS LOOK DIFFERENT.
GO IN AND LOOK AT THE DRIVEWAYS.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK ABOUT AS A COMMISSIONER TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT IF WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT X, Y, Z.
UM, SEE IF THAT'S IN THERE, OR JUST POSE THE QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME THINGS THAT I, WE LEGALLY CAN'T DO JUST BECAUSE OF STATE LAW, BUT, UM, LIKE THE TREE COVER AND WHAT OUR LANDSCAPING LOOKS LIKE, BECAUSE I KNOW FOR MULTIFAMILY AND INDUSTRIAL, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S COME TO YOU SO MANY TIMES IN, IN THE PAST, GOSH, 10, 12 YEARS NOW.
WAIT, THIS IS ABOUT IN 2010, THAT'S 15 YEARS.
UM, SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS, REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT YOU, YOU NOTICE WHEN YOU'RE OFF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT OR IF IT'S SOMETHING OF, HEY, WHY ARE THESE USES NOT ALLOWED? OR WHY IS IT WE DO STILL HAVE THE ITEM WITH THE DAYCARE.
THE DAYCARES ARE GOING TO BE LIMITED TO 2,500 SQUARE FEET IN WHAT WILL BE THAT NEW B ONE DISTRICT, WHICH IS THAT LOWER COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE MORE WALKABLE, BUT ALSO CONSIDER IS 2,500 TOO SMALL, IS IT TOO LARGE? DO WE WANNA OPEN THAT UP BECAUSE DAYCARES ARE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE SHOULD BE INTEGRAL AND PLACED INSIDE OF DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, AND I THINK THE NEW ZONE IS GONNA BE N ONE, I WANNA SAY.
SO THINGS LIKE THAT, LIKE JUST GO TAKE A USE OF THE LOOK, UH, THE USES THAT WE HAVE IN THERE AND LET US KNOW IF YOU THINK WE MISSED THE MARK OR IF WE HAD IT RIGHT.
IS THERE ANY AREA OR CHAPTER THAT HAD THE MOST CHANGES OR MOST SIGNIFICANT CHANGES? I LOOKED BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION, THE BOLDED ARE THE THREE THAT HAD THE MAJOR CHANGES.
HISTORIC PRESERVATION PRETTY MUCH JUST SWITCHED OVER OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
BUT THAT'S MAYBE WHY THOSE THREE WERE BOLDED.
UM, THOSE ARE THE MAJOR ISSUES.
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AND THEN SOME OF THESE OTHER, LIKE STORM WATER AND WATER, A LOT OF THAT IS GONNA BE, UM, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE READINGUM, SO DEFINITELY I WOULD SAY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
THE LAND USE STANDARDS, JUST BECAUSE WE ARE SWITCHING THOSE, UM, WE ARE SWITCHING OUR DISTRICTS UP.
SO WHERE WE'RE ALWAYS LIKE, OH, IT'S B ONE, IT WON'T BE B ONE ANYMORE.
WE'RE ALL GONNA HAVE TO GET USED TO NEW NOMEN NOMENCLATURE.
SO, UM, THAT'LL BE A FUN ONE, I THINK, FOR ALL OF US TO LEARN TOGETHER.
AND, UM, YEAH, JUST TAKE A LOOK.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU'RE JUST LIKE, OH, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD ALLOW A GAS STATION, OR WHY DO WE ALLOW A CAR WASH BY SUP ONLY SPECIFIC USE, PERMIT ONLY.
LIKE, IF THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU JUST, YOU DRIVE AROUND TOWN AND YOU'RE LIKE, HUH, I WONDER WHY WE DO THAT.
WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO IN THE FUTURE THAT SEEMS TOO INTENSE, NOT INTENSE ENOUGH.
DO WE NEED AN EXTRA, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE SUP PROCESS THAT WOULD HELP YOU MAKE A DECISION AS A COMMISSIONER THAT YOU WANT TO SEE ADDED? YEAH.
GO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE THINGS BECAUSE I KNOW WE ALWAYS HAVE REALLY GOOD DISCOURSE MM-HMM
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU THINK THAT SHOULD BE ADDED, YOU CAN ALWAYS JUST BRING THAT UP AND WE CAN CONSIDER IT AS WELL.
UH, MY QUESTION IS, DID YOU RECEIVE MY EMAIL ON JANUARY 10TH? I DID.
AND IT HAS BEEN PASSED FOR THE CONSULTANTS.
SO THOSE CHANGES THAT ALREADY BE, YOU MAY NOT SEE THEM REFLECTED ONLINE JUST BECAUSE WE, WE WERE ALREADY ONLINE BY THEN.
BUT THEY HAVE RECEIVED THOSE AND, UM, ACCEPTED THOSE.
THERE, THERE WERE TWO THAT ARE KIND OF, I THINK, MY OPINION AND IF NOBODY MINDS, I I HAVE MY, YEAH, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.
UM, THE FIRST ONE IS WHEN IT'S TALKING ABOUT ADULT ORIENTED BUSINESSES, AND WE HAVE A PARAGRAPH IN THERE THAT SAYS, HERE'S OUR INTENT.
WE DON'T, WE WANNA MAINTAIN THE SMALL TOWN CHARM AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
AND THAT'S FOR ADULT ORIENTED BUSINESSES, BUT IT'S NOT REPEATED FOR VAPE STORES, LIQUOR STORES, OR GAMBLING ESTABLISHMENTS OR GAMING ESTABLISHMENTS.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION WAS TO REMOVE THAT, REMOVE THAT LITTLE PARAGRAPH ABOUT WHAT OUR INTENT IS.
WE CAN STILL LIMIT THEM, BUT WE HAVE A PARAGRAPH, UH, WE HAVE A SENTENCE OR A PARAGRAPH IN THERE SAYING IT'S NOT OUR INTENT TO RESTRICT FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
WE KEEP THAT, BUT WE, I DON'T THINK WE AS A GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE TRYING TO LEGISLATE MORALITY.
WE DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP SMALL TOWN FIELDS, SO WE'RE GONNA RESTRICT LIQUOR STORES, OR WE'RE GONNA RESTRICT VAPE STORES, OR WE'RE GONNA RESTRICT GAMBLING GAMING ESTABLISHMENTS.
SO WHY ARE WE DOING IT ON ADULT BOOKSTORE OR ADULT NOVELTY STORE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OR A STRIP CLUB.
BECAUSE I THINK, SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD CONVERSATION, RICK, BECAUSE TO ME, A STRIP CLUB, AND I DON'T KNOW TEXAS LAW TO KNOW WHAT'S ALLOWED AND WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED.
BUT I DON'T PUT A STRIP CLUB IN THE SAME BUCKET AS I PUT, UM, A SMOKE SHOP.
WHAT ARE THEY CALLED? LIKE WHERE YOU, LIKE THE VIDEOS AND THE WHATEVER ELSE THAT THEY RIGHT.
SO TO ME, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, I THINK THAT IT, IT SHOULD BE IN THE UDC, THAT THOSE ARE MORE DISCREET, NOT VERY OBVIOUS TO A CHILD WHAT THAT IS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT TYPE OF THING.
RESTRICT, RESTRICTING THEM AWAY FROM, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WHICH IS ALREADY IN THE UDC.
ALL I'M SAYING IS IN THE UDC IT SAYS, THIS IS OUR INTENT.
AND WE DON'T DO THAT WITH ANYTHING ELSE.
SO I'M SUGGESTING TO REMOVE THAT.
I'M SUGGEST KEEP REMOVING THE INTENT PART OF IT.
I THINK WE, THEY DON'T NEED TO KNOW OUR INTENT.
THEY JUST NEED TO KNOW THE RULES.
I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT EXACTLY, I MEAN, I I, AND IN SPIRIT, I AGREE WITH ALL THIS, BUT WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT THE WORDING IS, THE, I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU THE PARAGRAPH.
UH, IT'S 10.20 7.2 0.1, AND IT'S THE SECOND PARAGRAPH IN THERE.
CAN YOU JUST READ IT? IS IT TOO LONG? I, I DON'T HAVE IT HERE.
THIS IS THE EMAIL THAT I SENT.
BUT YEAH, IT, IT, IT JUST SEEMED OFF RIGHT, BECAUSE HEY, HERE'S
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OUR INTENT TO KEEP IT SMALL TOWN FEEL, AND THEN WE DON'T DO IT WITH ANYTHING ELSE IN THE UDC.WELL, WITHOUT, UNDER, WITHOUT KNOWING OR UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE WORDING IS.
SO I DON'T WANT TO, I'M NOT TING IT BECAUSE OF THE WORDING.
IT'S ALSO, DO WE REMOVE IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT APPLIED UBIQUITOUSLY, UBIQUITOUSLY? OR DO WE ADD IT IN OTHER WORDS TO EVERY YEAH, I'M NOT SAYING WITHOUT THE CONTENT, I CAN'T MAKE A DECISION MYSELF.
BUT THERE'S ONE THING WHEN WE SAY, WELL, THERE'S REALLY A COUPLE OF LEVELS OF THIS.
WE, WE, WE, WE ADD THIS NOTE OR COMMENT ON THIS ASPECT, BUT THESE ASPECTS ARE REALLY THE SAME, BUT WE DON'T ADD IT HERE.
SO WE COULD EITHER REMOVE IT FROM ALL OR ADD IT TO ALL RIGHT.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS RANK, YOU KNOW, OH, WE SHOULD DO IT ON THIS ONE AND NOT THAT ONE.
THERE'S FOUR PEOPLE UP HERE RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT OPINIONS I BET ON WHICH ONE OF THOSE FOUR BUSINESSES IS WORST.
AND, AND THEN ALSO, UH, STAFF POPS UP.
CAN I GET TWO LITTLE, TWO LITTLE DOGS, PERIOD DOGS? UM, IS THERE A, A TIER TIER LEVEL FOR THINGS LIKE THIS? OR IS EVERYTHING KIND OF CLASSIFIED BY WHAT THE ZONING SAYS? IT'S USUALLY JUST CLASSIFIED BY THE USE.
LAND USE, I THINK FOR SOME OF, I THINK, GOSH, FOR GAMING CENTERS, I THINK WE CONSIDER INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT.
UM, THERE ARE SOME LIKE THAT, THAT IF IT'S A NOVELTY STORE, A LOT OF TIMES WE COULD JUST CONSIDER THAT TO BE RETAIL AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW STATE LAW.
SO THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE COULD ASK LEGAL AND HOW WE COULD FURTHER CLARIFY BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN A THING IN HU TO BE CONCERNED WITH.
AND THEN WE ALSO THEN NEED TO STILL LOOK AT THE SOB ORDINANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, SOB, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESSES.
OH, SO THE NO, LIKE A NOVELTY STORE OR SOMETHING SHOULDN'T, NO
UM, THAT, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THAT'S ACTUALLY CLASSIFIED THAT UNDER THE SOB AND NOT JUST UNDER RETAIL.
SO THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE LITTLE THINGS THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY GET YOU ANSWERS ON AS WELL.
'CAUSE THAT WAS ONE THAT THEY'RE, UM, THE CONSULTANT IS LOOKING INTO.
AND I, AND I THINK THE CONCERN IS, IS VERY, UH, POIGNANT.
VERY, VERY HIT AT THIS TIME IN TIME.
'CAUSE BEFORE WE'RE GONNA EXPAND AND GROW, RIGHT? WE'RE ALREADY SEEING THINGS ON OUR PERIPHERY.
TO GET AHEAD OF THIS AND, AND WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR US TO BRING UP.
I JUST, I NEED TO DIVE INTO IT.
SO, UM, THE OTHER ONE THAT KIND OF STUCK WITH ME, UH, SORRY.
THE SECOND OF THREE THAT KIND OF STUCK WITH ME WAS, UH, WE HAVE A BAR SLASH TAVERN DEFINITION MM-HMM
THAT SAYS 60% OF THE GROSS REVENUE MUST BE ALCOHOL SALES FOR IT TO BE CONSIDERED A BAR OR TAVERN.
NOW, TEXAS A BC SAYS IT'S 51%.
I COULD BE AT 55% TEXAS A, B, C CONSIDERS ME A BAR.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ACTUALLY APPLIES, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE, WE SHOULD MARRY UP WITH STATE.
TABC HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS A LONG TIME.
THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.
YOU KNOW, I, AND THEY POST THE 30 ODD, SIX 30 ODD SEVEN SIGNS ON BARS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND IF YOU'RE AT 55% AND NOT CONSIDERED A BAR BY HU UDC, THEN THEY COULD HAVE FIREARMS THERE.
YOU KNOW, 30 ODD SIX AND 30 0 7.
BUT I'M WONDERING AND CARRY A GUN IN A CAR.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHY, WHY, SORRY.
WHY ARE WE NOW AT 60? I'M WONDERING WHAT WAS THE LOGIC TO SET IT AT 60? I, I DON'T KNOW.
AND, AND I JUST SAW THAT, AND I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, BEING, BEING AS, UH, INVOLVED IN, IN THAT SORT OF AREA AS I AM, BUT I'M JUST LIKE, WAIT, THAT'S A DISCONNECT WITH STATE.
A LOT OF THESE IS, IS THE REVERSE IS TRUE.
I'LL BRING UP, I DON'T WANNA BRING UP HALL OF FAME, BUT SOMEONE LIKE A HALL OF FAME, UHHUH
AND A RESTAURANT IS JUST THE CONVERSE OF THIS TEXAS A, B, C IS THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE 49%, OR I THOUGHT THEY HAD TO HAVE 50% REVENUE OF FOOD, NOT ALCOHOL TO BE CONSIDERED A RESTAURANT.
I MAY HAVE THIS BACKWARDS, BUT, WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE CLASSIFICATION OF A RESTAURANT.
YOU KNOW, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, I'LL USE CRACKER BARREL AS AN EXAMPLE, OR, UH, YEAH.
THEY'VE GOT A RESTAURANT THERE, BUT THEY'VE GOT THIS BIG
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GIFT SHOP.I DON'T KNOW IF 50% OF THEIR REVENUE COMES FROM RESTAURANT THAT 50 COMES FROM GIFT SHOP OR IF IT'S A 60 40 SPLIT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE RESTAURANT PIECE OF IT.
WHAT I AM SURE ABOUT IS THE ALCOHOL SALES.
51% OF YOUR RECEIPTS, UH, OR MORE ARE ALCOHOL.
THEN YOU'VE GOT, YOU GOTTA PUT THOSE NO GUNS SIGNS UP.
THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF.
IF THEY COULD REVIEW TEXAS A, B, C LAWS ON WHAT CLASSIFIES AS A BAR, A A LI A LIQUOR JOINT THAT SELLS BUT DOESN'T CONSUME WELL, THAT THAT'S A DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
SUCH THAT, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THE, THE CERTIFICATION AND THE HOOPS YOU HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH TO SERVE LIQUOR AS A MINORITY OF YOUR SALES IS A LOT CHEAPER AND EASIER TO GET THAT LICENSE FROM TEXAS.
SO THAT MAY DRIVE WHY WE WENT UP TO 60 OR, OR WHY I, I WANNA UNDERSTAND 'CAUSE WE SHOULD, WE HAVE TO AGREE WITH A, B, C.
SO I UNDERSTAND, I WANNA UNDERSTAND WHY A, B, C CAME UP WITH THIS.
SO WHAT ARE THE TIERS? THERE'S ALSO CONSUMPTION.
HOW MUCH IS LIQUOR? HOW MUCH IS BEER AND WINE? YEAH.
HOW MUCH IS FOOD OR NON-ALCOHOL AND HOW MUCH IS ALCOHOL? I JUST WANNA KNOW THOSE FOUR OR FIVE BULLET POINTS.
ON WHAT DEFINES IF, IF YOU ROLL ON THE TEXAS A, B, C, IF YOU ROLL, BECAUSE THAT'LL TELL US HOW WE SHOULD HAVE OUR CODE.
AND THEN ALSO THERE'S THE, THE FIREARMS CONCEALED OR UNCONCEALED.
BUT WHETHER WE HAVE THOSE SIGNS ON THEM.
BUT IF YOU ROLL UP TO ANY OF THE CONVENIENCE STORES, I CAN'T VOUCH FOR ALL OF 'EM, BUT EVERY CONVENIENCE STORE I'VE BEEN TO IN HURO HAS THE, IT IS A FELONY TO CONSUME ALCOHOL ON THESE PREMISES.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE 0% ON THE CONSUMPTION.
NOW THEY'RE STILL SELLING BEER OR WINE OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
BUT YOU CANNOT CONSUME ON THOSE PREMISES.
BUT I FORESEE GOING FORWARD IS THEY HAVE A NAME OF 'EM FOR 'EM IN AUSTIN, BUT THEY'RE BASICALLY THE BROWN PAPER BAG, BYO BS ORWIN CARRY.
BUT I MEAN, THEY, THEY'RE JUST LITTLE LITERALLY DRIVE-THROUGHS.
THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS A DRIVE-THROUGH OFF OF GUAVA.
BUT YOU CAN, YOU CAN'T CONSUME IT.
BUT IT'S NOT JUST BEER AND WINE, IT'S HARD LIQUOR.
SO I THINK WHATEVER THAT CLASSIFICATION IS ALSO WHEN IT COMES TO, YEAH.
I, I THINK AGAIN, THIS WHOLE, THIS ALL GOES DOWN TO KIND OF YOUR, YOUR FIRST QUESTION, UH, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS TIER OF, UH, I'M GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA SAY THIS CORRECTLY, BUT OF ADULT ORIENTED BUSINESSES IS TO ME IS ALSO LIQUOR CELLS.
I I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S OUR DEFINITION.
BUT I MEAN, IN THE SPIRIT, ADULT ORIENTED STUFF IS, YOU KNOW, CIGARETTES, VAPING, UM, BOOKS, SHOPS, VIDEO STORES, GAMING.
THERE'S NO, SO HOW DO WE MANAGE THAT AND GET AHEAD OF IT? 'CAUSE I BELIEVE WE HAVE TWO GAMING PLACES NOW.
THERE'S, AND THEN PROBABLY ONE OR TWO VAPING PLACES.
UH, THERE'S SEVERAL VAPE PLACES.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF VAPE PLACES, UH, SMOKE SHOPS, PLACES WHERE MINS SHOULD NOT BE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, GOING BACK TO THE FIRST ONE, I GET THE INTENT, BUT IT REALLY SHOULD BE, HEY, THESE ARE FOR ADULTS.
YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, STAFF HAVE A QUESTION FOR, I KNOW FOR, UH, SOBS
IS THAT ALSO FOR VAPING AND ALCOHOL? UM, ALCOHOL, IT CAN BE DEPENDING ON TABC RULES.
THAT'S WHY I, THOSE ITEMS THAT MY DEPARTMENT DEALS WITH, THAT USUALLY COMES THROUGH TABC SENDS THAT DIRECTLY TO THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE, UHHUH
I HAVEN'T DONE A-T-A-B-C SIGN OFF IN EONS.
BUT BEGINNING OF MY CAREER, SINCE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO CHANGE THIS BEFORE WE HIT 50,000 RESIDENTS.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA CHANGE THE UDC AGAIN BEFORE WE HIT 50,000.
WELL, THE OTHER THING IS THAT CAN, CAN COUNCIL, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE LEAPFROGGING OR DOUBLE OR REDUNDANT, BUT CAN'T COUNCIL JUST PUT AN ORDINANCE IN AND SAYS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO ABOUT MY DEFINITION OF ADULT ORIENTED TYPE BUSINESSES, WHETHER IT BE ALCOHOL, CIGARETTE SMOKING.
CAN CITY COUNCIL DO THAT OUTSIDE OF THE EDC? OR ARE THEY JUST AMENDING THE UDC?
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THEY COULD ALWAYS AMEND THE DC BASED ON WHAT COUNCIL DESIRES.UM, WE CAN ALSO SOMEWHAT AMEND THE ALCOHOL LIMIT IN THE CITY CODE.
WE WOULDN'T COVER THAT IN UDC.
DO YOU FIND THAT DISTANCE RIGHT.
FROM SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES? OH, OKAY.
LIKE WE COULD, WE COULD INCREASE IT OVER T ABC'S STANDARDS IF TABC INCREASE.
BUT I BELIEVE THERE'S ALSO THE OPTION TO DECREASE WITHIN, UH, BUSINESS DISTRICTS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ANYMORE.
SO IF YOU HAD A CHURCH COME IN IN YOUR DOWNTOWN AREA THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS PRECLUDED FROM BEING ABLE TO HAVE, LIKE A RESTAURANT WOULD NOT BE, UH, THEN PRECLUDED FROM SELLING BEER, WINE, OR OTHERS OR OTHER ALCOHOL BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CHURCH THAT CAME INTO THE AREA.
UH, AND THE THIRD ONE WAS, I GUESS KIND OF MINOR, BUT IT JUST STRUCK ME AS AN OMISSION.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING AND PARKING.
WE DON'T HAVE WHAT? WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE UDC FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING AND PARKING.
WHEN YOU SAY, SO LIKE, WHAT WILL THE, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
SO LIKE THOSE TESLA CHARGING STATIONS AT THE H AND B? YEAH.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING CODE RELATED FOR THAT.
AND I, I DON'T REALLY CARE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IF WE SAY, OKAY, THEY GOTTA BE OUT FRONT, THEY GOTTA BE IN BACK, WHATEVER.
MY THING IS A, FROM A SAFETY POINT, SAFETY STANDPOINT, I DON'T WANT S SPRINKLERS FOR YOUR LANDSCAPING HITTING THE EV CHARGERS BECAUSE THAT'S A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN.
SO LET'S CODIFY IT AND SET IT UP SO THAT IN THE FUTURE WHEN SOMEONE DOES WANNA PUT A BANK OF 20 CHARGERS IN OR A PARKING LOT OF CHARGERS, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT PICTURE EVERYBODY'S SEEN ON THE INTERNET OF A ROW OF CHARGERS.
WE COULD PROBABLY FIND SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN AUSTIN'S.
I MEAN, WE CAN ALWAYS ASK THE CONSULTANT.
I BELIEVE THAT THE REASON THIS WAS LEFT OUT IS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD AN ISSUE WITH IT.
AND THE WAY THAT THEY DEAL WITH EV CHARTERS RIGHT NOW IS THROUGH SEPARATE ELECTRICAL PERMITS.
AND IT'S ALSO COVERED IN THE ADOPTION OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE.
AND WE DO HAVE A SPECIAL AMENDMENT AS WELL, THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE AUTOMATIC SHUTOFFS.
THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS IN THE BUILDING SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS THAT, UM, NOW AS FAR AS RESTRICTING WHERE THEY LOCATED BY LIKE A ZONING THING, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THERE'S JUST CERTAIN PARTS OF THE ELECTRICAL CODE THAT YOU CAN'T SUPERSEDE THAT'S ALREADY WRITTEN.
UM, LIKE I PUT A, AN LP TANK FOR MY HOME GENERATOR.
AND THE CITY CAME NICELY, BUT IN, BUT INCORRECTLY DINGED ME ON NOT HAVING A PERMIT WITH THE CITY.
AND LIQUID PROPANE AND, AND NATURAL GAS IS COVERED BY THE RAILROAD COMMISSION.
AND AS FAR AS THE ELECTRICAL GENERATOR, THAT IS ENCORE.
SO AS LONG AS I DO ALL THINGS BY THE BOOK ON ENCORE, I HAD THE, HAD THEM SET UP THE PERMITS AND COMMUNICATING WITH THE CITY AND THEN THE LP AND A CERTIFIED PLUMBER.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T GET A REGULAR PLUMBER OR RIGHT.
SO, BUT I UNDERSTAND THEIR POINT.
THEY WANT TO, I WOULD, I THINK WE SHOULD VOLUNTARILY EVERY PIECE OF RESIDENCE IN THE CITY LIMITS STAFF.
I THINK EVERY PIECE IN THE CITY LIMITS SHOULD HAVE AN LP NOTE FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES.
THAT THERE'S AN LP HERE AND, UM, WHETHER IT'S VOLUNTARY OR WE REQUIRE IT, OR THERE'S A $25 PERMIT.
BUT I JUST THINK FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES, LOOK AT PROPANE, A NATURAL GAS TANK, AN EXPLOSIVE THING.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S CODES ON WHERE IT CAN BE.
BUT IF I'M GOING TO A FIRE AS A FIREMAN, OR I HAVE A ACTIVE SHOOTER GOING ON
THAT'S WHERE I THINK HAVING EV WHERE THE, WHERE THE CITY CAN COME IN AND SAY, SO ROUND ABOUT COMING BACK, IS THAT, WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED? HOW DO WE, ARE THERE ANY DISTANCES, UM, DISTANCE? I KNOW DISTANCE BETWEEN A BURIED LINE OF WATER, THAT'S GONNA BE HARD, BUT A SPRINKLER OUTLET MIGHT BE DIFFERENT.
BUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE CITY HAS A JURISDICTIONAL POWER OVER BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY STUFF THAT ALREADY EXISTS.
AS, AS A DIRECTOR SPOKE UP ABOUT, MY, MY THOUGHT ON IT WAS
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IF WE PUT SOMETHING IN THE UDC THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WON'T, YOU, YOU CAN HAVE PARKING SPECIFICALLY, THEY'VE GOT MOTORCYCLE AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF IN THERE.YOU GOT PARKING FOR EV, BUT IT WILL NOT BE PLACED WITHIN X FEET OF SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. AND, AND, AND THERE'S A TIER FOR THAT.
AND, AND THERE AND THEN THAT'S RIGHT THERE.
OR YOU KNOW, EVEN SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS, YOU KNOW, EV CHARGING STATIONS WILL COMPLY WITH ELECTRICAL STANDARDS JUST SO IT'S IN THERE AND IT'S, IT'S NOT, WELL, THEY DIDN'T MENTION IT.
LET ME ADD TWO OF, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY.
ONE THING I WOULD ADD ABOUT PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THE ELECTRICAL PERMITTING STANDARDS, WE REALIZE THERE'S THREE LEVELS.
THERE'S LEVEL ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
IT'S OUTSIDE YOUR ELECTRICIAN.
LEVEL TWO IS A LITTLE FASTER, HIGHER VOLTAGE.
ARE YOU WANTING TO HAVE THIS BE ONLY FOR LIKE COMMERCIAL USE? OR ARE YOU WANTING TO HAVE A REGULATION FOR PERSONAL USE? BECAUSE, NO, I, I'M, YOU CAN OWN AN AN EV.
THE CHARGING THING WAS IN MY GARAGE.
I HAD MY CAR PLUGGED IN MY DRIVEWAY, BUT IT COULD RAIN OVERNIGHT WHILE MY CAR IS CHARGING.
SO SAME LOGIC ABOUT WATER AND SPRINKLERS.
SO DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? THERE'S WATER STILL POTENTIALLY INVOLVED CODIFY THAT.
BUT THAT, THAT'S, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THERE'S, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE CONTRACTOR AND THE PERMITTING FOR YOU GETTING IT, GETTING IT INSTALLED.
I DIDN'T NEED TO HAVE A LEVEL ONE.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T A LEVEL ONE.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE BECAUSE PERSONAL, THAT'S WHAT SAYING YOU HAVE TO DESIGNATE LEVEL ONE, LEVEL TWO, LEVEL THREE.
I DON'T WANT TO REGULATE PERSONAL USE AND NEITHER DO I AT ALL.
BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO SAY, 'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS WAS IN THE PARKING SPOT OR IN THE PARKING SECTION OF THE UDC.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE, HEY, YES, WE DID LOOK AT EV AND IT REFERS THEM TO HERE ON THE LEC ELECTRICAL OR FIRE CODE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, WHATEVER'S APPLICABLE.
SO THAT THEY'RE NOT JUST SAYING, OH YEAH, WE'RE GONNA PUT 'EM RIGHT NEXT TO THE HANDICAP, UH, THE A DA SPOTS AND THEY GET, UH, RAINED ON OR NOT RAINED ON.
THEY GET, UH, THE IRRIGATION BLASTING 'EM TWICE A DAY.
WHAT? I HAVE MORE PROBLEMS WITH IRRIGATION MIS UH, MIST TARGETING YES.
AND YOU CAN'T PUT THAT IN THE CODE.
I MEAN, IF WE'VE GOT A SPRINKLER HEADING OUT THIS WAY WHEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE OVER HERE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN DAMAGED OR RUN OVER BY A LOWER, BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT'S CODE ENFORCEMENT.
IS IT REDUNDANT TO PUT IT HERE IF IT'S ALREADY IN THE BUILDING CODE? SO IS IT NECESSARY IF IT'S ALREADY BEING ACCOUNTED FOR IN OTHER DOCUMENTATION THAT HOLDS THEM ACCOUNTABLE TO FOLLOWING THOSE SET REQUIREMENTS? AND WHAT I'M THINKING IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE IS FOR EV, THAT'S JUST FOR THE CHARGING.
THAT SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN PARKING SPACES, BUT THEY ARE PARKING SPACES.
THEY ARE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO CHARGING SPACES.
SO THOSE SHOULD BE OTHERWHERE, SOMEPLACE ELSE CATEGORIES.
THOSE SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN JUST IN PARKING SPACES.
WE, AND CURRENTLY AND IN THE NEW CODE, WE DO NOT INCLUDE EV STATIONS AS PART OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.
'CAUSE WE REALLY CAN'T MANDATE WHO'S GOING TO HAVE ONE.
SO IF THEY WANT TO DECIDE, IT WOULD BE IN THEIR ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES, THEY COULD HAVE THEM AND THEN THEY HAVE TO SHOW THEM ON THE SITE PLAN.
UM, THIS IS MORE OF AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, I GUESS THEN, BECAUSE I CAN ABSOLUTELY TAKE A CUMMINS DIESEL PICKUP TRUCK AND PARK IT AT A TESLA CHARGING SPOT.
I CAN TAKE A CUMMINS DIESEL PICKUP TRUCK AND PARK IT IN A MOTORCYCLE SPOT OR ALL OF THE MOTORCYCLE SPOTS SINCE THOSE ARE BIG TRUCKS.
IT GOES BACK TO AN ENFORCEMENT THING AT THAT POINT.
AND I WAS LOOKING AT IT FROM THE PLANNING AND KIND OF SITE DESIGN SIDE OF, HEY, WE WANT TO INCLUDE EVS.
WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT FROM THE CITY OF HU FOR PARKING OF EVS? AND WE'RE JUST SAYING FOR EV PARKING, REFER TO THIS.
LIKE WE DON'T HAVE THE WHOLE A DA, BUT PARKING, I, I STILL THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE OVERTHINKING IT.
I'M, I MIGHT BE, I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY THAT, BUT WHAT PARKING IS? PARKING, YOU CAN PARK AN EV IN ANY PARKING SPOT.
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IT IN ANY PARKING SPOT.SO WHAT I THINK YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IS WHAT ASHLEY WAS SAYING, THAT THEY GOT TO HAVE THESE CHARGING STATIONS ACTUALLY APPROVED AND GO BY CODE AND ALL THIS OTHER THING.
BUT PARKING SPACES ARE JUST PARKING SPACES.
JUST PARK WHATEVER YOU WANT, WHEREVER YOU WANT, WHEREVER IT FITS.
NOT WILLINGLY THROW, BUT WHERE THEY FIT MM-HMM
UNLESS THEY'RE MARKED HANDICAPPED OR WHATEVER.
BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT THE PARKING IS JUST PARKING AND SO THE EV THING GOES IN ANOTHER AREA.
IT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING BECAUSE WELL, THAT GOOD, GOOD CONVERSATION.
I THINK THAT THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS ARE OUTSIDE OF CITY JURISDICTIONS AS LONG AS WE REFERENCE THIS CODE MM-HMM
BUT I LIKE WHAT YOU SAY IS THAT WHERE IS THE PARKING RIGHT? AND, AND CAPACITY.
I MEAN, DO WE WANT THE DESIGN OF IT? YEAH.
DO WE WANT, DO WE WANT 30 CHARGING STATIONS ON A 50 SPACE? IN OTHER WORDS, PART OF THE CODE IS, IS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE SO MANY, UM, AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T REGULATE THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T, MOST BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT WANT EV CHARGING STATIONS, THEY PUT THOSE IN THEIR ADDITIONAL SPACES AND WE STILL GIVE THEM THAT RATIO OF WHAT IS OKAY.
IN OTHER WORDS, MANDATE HOW MANY EV LET'S SAY THE, THE, THE UDC REQUIRES A, A BUSINESS THAT HAVE 50 SPACES.
WELL, IF THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO DO 30 SPACES EV AND SO NOW THEY'VE LIMITED TO 20 SLOTS FOR TRUE CUSTOMERS.
WHAT IF THESE EV I I'M NOT, I'M, I'M HYPOTHETICAL.
BUT I, THAT'S WHERE THINK THE CITY CAN FALL IN AS A CODE AND CODE ENFORCEMENT.
IS THAT HOW MANY SPOTS YOU HAVE? UM, WHERE ARE THE SPOTS ON THE PROPERTY? UH, AND UM, AND WHAT AND AND ALSO, WELL, THE LEVEL ONE, LEVEL TWO, THAT'S IN THE IGNORANCE RESPECT, BUT YEAH.
JUST WHERE IT IS AND, AND HOW MANY THERE ARE.
AND ALSO WHAT ABOUT HOURS OF OPERATION? AND THAT'S THAT OF ALL, I'M NOT DECIDING IT, BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT THE CITY, I THINK CAN JURISDICTION.
AND I WAS THINKING HOURS OF OPERATION AS WELL.
BUT THEN I SAID, WAIT A MINUTE.
NO, THAT WOULD BE AN ENFORCEMENT THAT WOULD BE PARKING THE FOR EV CHARGING.
I DON'T THINK THERE, YOU'RE GONNA START ENFORCING WHEN YOU CAN USE THE GAS PUMP.
THAT, THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHY I BACKED OFF OF THE HOURS.
CATEGORIES OF THINGS THAT THE CO THAT THE CITY HAS JURISDICTION ARE POWER OVER.
AND THE THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK THE CITY HAS JURISDICTION OR POWER OVER THE TECHNICAL STUFF IS ALREADY THERE.
HOW THE USE STUFF IS AS FOR US NOW, UM, THIS IS A QUESTION THAT I JUST THOUGHT OF, UH, SEVERAL PLACES I'VE BEEN HAVE, I'VE SEEN VETERAN PARKING.
SO IT'S FOR PREGNANT MOTHERS OR PREGNANT SOON TO BE MOTHERS.
EXPECTING MOTHERS I'VE SEEN AS WELL.
AND IS THERE TRYING TO TELL US SURE.
DO YOU THINK THERE'S A NEED
I GUESS FROM THE ORDINANCE POINT OF VIEW, IF I HAVE 50 PARKING SPOTS, FIVE OF THEM ARE A DA THREE OF 'EM ARE VETERAN, TWO OF THEM ARE EXPECTANT MOTHER, DOES THAT ALL COME OUT OF 50 OR DO I STILL NEED 50 MORE? IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.
SO THAT'S WHERE TYPICALLY WE DON'T GET INVOLVED.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THE CITY WOULD ENFORCE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO LET'S SAY IT'S A VETERAN, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? TELL ME.
YOU DON'T KNOW IF I AM OR NOT.
YOU CAN'T TELL IF I GET OUT OF THE CAR IF I AM OR NOT.
UM, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU, WE SPECIFY THERE HAS TO BE 50 THERE MINIMUM, BUT HOW THEY'RE DIS DISPENSED AMONGST THE CATEGORIES THAT'S UP TO THE PRO.
SO IT'D BE 50 OPEN IS THE WAY I WOULD ALWAYS.
SO IF A BUILDING IS SIZED, LET'S, LET'S JUST SAY LIKE CITY HALL, IF THE BUILDING IS SIZE THAT WE NEED A HUNDRED SPACES, AND THEN WE START TAKING OUT SPACES AND SAY, WELL, THIS IS ONLY FOR THIS AND THIS IS ONLY FOR 15 MINUTE HOLDING.
KIND HOW WE DID IN THE FRONT THREE.
THE FIRST THING THAT WE DID BEFORE THOSE SIGNS WENT IN IS DO WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING TO MANDATE THAT THESE ARE SPECIAL? AND THAT'S NOT PART OF THE MINIMUM REQUIRED FOR SIGN, STILL STILL HAVE TO MEET THE HUNDRED.
YOU STILL HAVE TO MEET YOUR MINIMUM REQUIRED.
AND IF YOU WANT TO SIGN THEM IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN YOU, THE, I ACTUALLY LIKE THAT THE GROUP OR THE BUSINESS OWNER IS ALLOWED TO DO SO.
SO, SO AT IN OUR U THIS BUS, THIS BUILDING MUST HAVE 50 SPOTS.
WE HAVE TO HAVE 50 SPOTS, BUT WE CAN ADD FIVE BLUE CAR SPOTS AND, UH, FIVE, 15 MINUTE SPOTS.
ANGRY PREGNANT WOMEN, RED CAR SPOTS,
AND DO, DO THEY KNOW DISGRUNTLED VETERAN SPOTS? YOU KNOW, FREAK.
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OKAY, I'M TLED.OH, I THINK WE CAN, WE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA REQUIRE THAT.
I, I, I THINK WE CAN SAY WE ENCOURAGE IT OR SOMETHING, BUT TO MAKE A BUSINESS HAVE DEDICATED PARKING FOR ANYTHING MM-HMM
I, I DON'T WANNA TELL THEM YOU HAVE TO.
THE ONLY, THE ONLY ONE I WANT MANDATED IS A DA.
WHICH IS ALREADY A LAW THAT'S BYLAW.
I JUST NOTICED THAT THERE WAS NO EV IN THERE.
AND I'M LIKE, WELL, THAT'S A GOOD CATCH.
AND I WON'T SAY THE ONLY REASON WE DIDN'T INCLUDE EV IS WE HAD DISCUSSED IT EARLY ON AND IT REALLY WAS, WELL, HOW MANY WOULD WE REQUIRE? SHOULD WE REQUIRE IT? YEAH.
HAVE WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH IT? AND MOST PLACES ARE ADDING THEM BECAUSE IT'S GOOD FOR BUSINESS.
LIKE THAT'S WHY, UM, HEV HAS THEM.
THAT'S WHY A FEW OTHER PLACES HAVE THEM AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, ESPECIALLY WITH, UM, I KNOW WE GET CALLS ALL THE TIME FOR THE TESLA LENSES.
WHERE CAN WE ADD THESE? AND WE'RE LIKE, COOL.
IT WOULD BE A REVISED SITE PLAN.
SO WE JUST SEE THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES AND THAT YOU'RE NOT REMOVING LANDSCAPING THAT WOULD'VE BEEN REQUIRED.
AND THEN THEY HAVE TO COME IN WITH THEIR, UM, PLANS FOR ELECTRIC.
AND THEN IT ALSO HAS TO HAVE A FIRE CODE REVIEW BECAUSE FIRE CODE DOES REQUIRE EMERGENCY SHUTOFFS BECAUSE ELECTRIC FIRES CAN BE JUST AS DETRIMENTAL OH YEAH.
SO, UM, WE DO HAVE A LOCAL AMENDMENT FOR THAT, AND THAT'S HOW WE'VE BEEN HANDLING THEM.
AND IT'S BEEN WORKING, BUT WE DON'T MANDATE IT BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY, UM, IS HAVING, UM, EV CHARGING STATIONS.
NOT EVERYBODY, A LOT OF PEOPLE NOW THAT THEY HAVE THE CHARGERS AT THEIR HOME, THEY'RE NOT USING WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE OUT.
THAT'S WHY I THINK THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE POPULAR ON THE ONE 30 CORRIDOR.
AND I, AGAIN, I WAS JUST KIND OF THINKING DOWN THE LINE, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA GET ANOTHER CRACK AT FULL UDC REVISION FOR ANOTHER 3, 4, 5 YEARS.
SO WE'LL BE UP OVER 50,000 PEOPLE AT THAT POINT.
WHAT'S THE LEGISLATIVE REQUIREMENT? EVERY FIVE, FOUR YEARS, EVERY 10 YEARS TO DO UDC? UM, WE DON'T HAVE ONE ON THE UDC, ALTHOUGH, UM, CERTAINLY WHEN I GOT HERE SEVEN YEARS AGO, UM, WE STARTED DOING SOME, WHEN WE NOTICED THAT THE MARKET WAS CHANGING OR WE NOTICED THAT THE LANDSCAPE OR THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT WAS CHANGING TO RESPOND TO THOSE, UM, OR GET AHEAD OF SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT COULD BE A THING.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE VERY FIRST, UM, OH MY GOODNESS WORDS ESCAPE ME NOW.
UM, FOR THE VERY FIRST DATA CENTER, WE ACTUALLY DID THAT UNDER A DA AND WE ESSENTIALLY CRAFTED THE LANGUAGE THAT WE KNEW WE WOULD BE PUTTING INTO THE UDC AND WE PUT THAT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT THAT FIRST USER HAD.
WE THEN STAFF WENT BACK AND UPDATED THE UDC AS A, UM, JUST A STAFF-LED ITEM TO GO AHEAD AND UTILIZE AND UTILIZE THE WORDING THAT WE USE IN THE DA AND THEN GET THAT INTO THE ORDINANCE.
SO THEN WE DO HAVE STANDARDS FOR DATA CENTERS NOW, UM, BECAUSE WE KNEW WE WERE GONNA BE GETTING MORE OF THEM.
AND SO THERE ARE TIMES WHERE IF WE SEE OR WE HEAR SOMETHING OR WE KNOW SOMETHING'S GOING ON STATE LEVEL AND WE NEED TO GET AHEAD OF SOMETHING, WE ARE INNOVATIVE, WE ARE PROACTIVE, WE DO KIND OF FUTURE PROOF THE CITY AND OUR UDC TO GET AHEAD OF THOSE THINGS.
UM, IN, IN THE PROCESS OF OUR MEETINGS AND OUR WITH STAFF, IF, IF, IF IT COMES ACROSS THAT THERE ARE SOME IF AMBIGUITIES OR SOMETHING THAT WE SEE THAT MAY NEED SOME CLEARING UP, CAN WE MAYBE ON AN DOES, CAN STAFF COME TO US OR WHAT'S THE PLANS ON MONITORING UDC UPDATES MORE THAN EVERY FOUR OR THREE, FIVE YEARS, BUT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS? I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN THAT, BUT, AND DOES STAFF DRIVE THAT AND, AND WHAT IF WE COME UP AND SAY, OH, I MEAN, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A TYPO ARROW.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT THIS PLACE SAYS 10 FOOT AND IT WASN'T, IT WAS MEANT TO BE 10 FOOT WIDE SIDEWALKS AND THIS ONE OVER HERE SAYS, YOU KNOW, SIX FOOT WIDE SIDEWALKS AND THEY'RE CONFLICTING, BRING THEM UP AND WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK THROUGH.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS THAT WE JUST GO BACK THROUGH AND GO, I MEAN, WE KEEP LISTS ON THE EXISTING UDC OF THINGS THAT WE WERE SEEING OF EITHER DON'T MAKE THIS MISTAKE IN THE NEXT ONE, DO WE NEED TO FIX IT? RIGHT.
IS IT TRULY A PROBLEM OR DO WE JUST SEE AN ISSUE? RIGHT.
OR ON THE ONES THAT WE KNEW WERE TRULY A PROBLEM.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE INDUSTRIAL STANDARDS WHEN, UH, WE WERE LOOKING AT LANDSCAPING AND WE HAD THAT MAJOR USER THAT WAS COMING IN TOWN, THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, THIS IS REALLY HARD.
AND WE WORKED DIRECTLY WITH THAT, UM, GROUP THAT WAS THE ONLY INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPER AT THE TIME, UM, TO CRAFT LANGUAGE FOR THE FEE IN LIEU FOR TREES THAT THEN WENT TO PNZ AND COUNCIL AND ULTIMATELY GOT APPROVED.
SO WE DO THOSE ALREADY WHEN WE START SEEING THEM.
AND SO IT'S EITHER SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL CAN BRING UP TO US OR WE CAN BRING UP TO YOU COUNCIL BRINGS UP AND WE'RE JUST LIKE, YEP, YOU'RE RIGHT.
UNLESS IT'S GO AHEAD AND UNLESS IT'S EGREGIOUS.
I MEAN, DO YOU, IS IT BETTER OR MORE EFFICIENT FOR Y'ALL'S TIME AS WELL AS OURS TO, TO KIND OF KEEP A RUNNING TOTAL AND THEN DO A BATCH AT ONE TIME AT ANNUAL
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WHATEVER? DEPENDS ON, AGAIN, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT EGREGIOUS THINGS.SOMETHING THAT'S EGREGIOUS THAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH RIGHT AWAY TYPE.
I WOULD RATHER GET THOSE DONE.
I MEAN, CERTAINLY AFTER WE, I MEAN, I'M HOPING THAT, YEAH.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SO MUCH TYPOS, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THERE'S, UH, BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING WHERE IT'S JUST CLERICAL, YEAH.
I WOULD PREFER TO DO THOSE ALL AT ONCE.
AND THEN WE JUST GO, HEY, WE'VE GOT A, A FAIR FEW, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET THOSE DONE.
UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING MAJOR WHERE WE ARE LIKE, GOSH, WE DID NOT DEFINE THAT USE SIMILAR TO DATA CENTERS, THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT WE WOULD JUST DO A ONE-OFF.
RIGHT? 'CAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE CONVERSATION IS GONNA HAVE TO BE SO MUCH MORE IN DEPTH.
UM, THAT I BELIEVE WE WOULDN'T WANT TO ADD EXTRA IF WE ADDED EXTRA IN.
IT WOULD BE LIKE, OH, AND BY THE WAY, WE'RE ALSO ADDING THESE TWO THINGS IN THAT ARE JUST MINISTERIAL IN NATURE.
LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND GET THOSE DONE.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS MEANING IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S LIKE A CONTINU A WORK AND CONTINUOUS, CONTINUOUS WORK IN PROGRESS.
AND SO ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND MATERIALS.
EVEN I THINK ONE THAT'S SILLY RIGHT NOW IS OUR CODE SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE GREAT BUILDINGS.
AND IT'S LIKE, BUT I, I LIKE GREAT BUILDINGS AND LOOK AT OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY HALL.
UM, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE CODE THAT JUST DIDN'T ALWAYS MAKE, I GET MAYBE A PROHIBITION OF NEON COLORS.
THOSE CAN BE A LITTLE DISTRACTING.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY THERE ARE SOME THAT WE'RE JUST LIKE, HUH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT STEMMED FROM.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THE HISTORY ON IT.
I WONDER WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
UM, SO I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT IF YOU SEE THEM AND YOU JUST HAVE QUESTIONS OR AFTER THE FACT WE NOTICE THAT SOMETHING ISN'T WORKING, THAT'S WHERE I THINK A LOT OF WHAT STAFF LOOKS AT IS, HEY, WE KEEP GETTING QUESTIONS ON THIS, OR THIS REALLY ISN'T WORKING THE WAY WE THOUGHT IT WOULD.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT THIS.
WE USUALLY DO A LOT OF RESEARCH TO BRING IT FORWARD FOR THE A PRESENTATION FIRST.
AND THEN IF Y'ALL AGREE, THEN WE ACTUALLY GO CRAFT CODE LANGUAGE AND BRING IT BACK.
I THINK WE'VE HAD ONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT WE BROUGHT IT FORWARD.
THERE WAS NOT CONSENSUS AT PNZ AND IT WA IT WAS JUST A STAFF LED, HEY, DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS? THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING.
AND ONCE PNZ WAS LIKE, EH, NOT REALLY.
WE DROPPED IT AND, AND WE REMOVED THAT ONE.
AND SO, AND THAT'LL HAPPEN SOMETIMES TOO.
SO THERE'S NOT A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A CODE DONE AND LIKE, AND YOU CAN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES FOR AT LEAST A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
NO, THERE'S NOT GONNA, I MEAN IF WE ADOPTED THIS IN MARCH, SAY COUNCIL APPROVES THIS AND ADOPTS FULLY IN MARCH, IF WE SAW SOMETHING EGREGIOUS IN APRIL THAT WE JUST HADN'T LOOKED AT, OR THERE'S THIS NEW FANCY USE THAT WE HAD NEVER CONTEMPLATED THAT WE NEED TO GO AND ADD, I WOULD SAY LET'S ADD IT IN APRIL.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT MEANS THAT THE CODE IS WRONG OR INSUFFICIENT OR ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW.
UM, I EMAILED THIS, BUT I I DID HAVE A QUESTION 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN IT BETWEEN THE PET DAYCARE AND THE KENNEL.
I, TO ME THEY'VE GOT THE EXACT SAME USES LISTED IN THE UDC.
SO I'M LIKE, ALRIGHT, HOW ARE YOU, HOW ARE YOU SPLITTING THAT HAIR? ISN'T DAYCARE LIKE YOU DROP THEM OFF IN THE MORNING AND YOU PICK 'EM UP AT NIGHT? KENNELS, THEY STAY OVERNIGHT.
BUT FOR IN, IN THE WORDING OF THE PET DAYCARE, IT MAY INCLUDE OVERNIGHT BOARDING.
WELL THAT'S A KENNEL AND KENNEL.
IT SAYS, OH, IT MAY INCLUDE GROOMING SERVICES.
SO HOW ARE, HOW ARE WE SPLITTING THAT HAIR? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'VE YEAH.
WHY, WHY, WHY ISN'T IT ALL JUST UNDER THE SAME? YEAH, WE'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT ONES.
AND KENNELS MAY ALSO INCORPORATE PET DAYCARE, DOG TRAINING.
SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE.
I CAN GET YOU CLARIFICATION ON THAT ONE.
'CAUSE I KNOW, I KNOW I'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH BOTH LEGAL AND THE CONSULTANT BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE THAT I'M LIKE, WELL IF I DEFINE IT AS THIS, IT'S ONLY ALLOWED HERE.
BUT IF I DEFINE IT AS THIS, IT'S ALLOWED HERE, HERE, HERE.
UM, I WILL GET YOU CLARIFICATION ON THAT ONE BECAUSE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONCLUSION WAS, BUT THERE WAS A REASON WHY WE WERE LEAVING THAT.
BUT I WILL GET YOU CLARIFICATION VIA EMAIL TO THE FULL COMMISSION BECAUSE YEAH, JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE KENNEL IS OVERNIGHT BOARDING BUT MAY INCLUDE THIS AND THE PET DAYCARE IS, YOU KNOW, FOR UH, LESS, LESS THAN 24 HOURS, BUT MAY INCLUDE THIS.
OKAY, WELL THE MAY INCLUDES OVERLAP.
SO I, I WASN'T CLEAR ON WHY WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT ONES.
WELL WHEN YOU CHECK THAT OUT, PLEASE LOOK AT THE FIRE CODES.
'CAUSE THERE WAS A DISASTROUS PET FIRE IN ROUND ROCK AND I WOULD SAY OUR FIRE.
SO IT COULD BE YOU HAVE TO HAVE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PERSON OVERNIGHT.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE UM, SPRINKLERS AND UM, AND I THINK THERE WAS A THIRD THING THAT WAS ON THE BOOKS IN ROUND ROCK BUT WASN'T IN FORCE.
BUT GEORGETOWN NOT ROUND ROCK.
UM, BUT TO ME WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENCE, DID THAT, 'CAUSE I THINK THEY SHOULD BE THE SAME.
IT AND IF THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE, LIKE OH A KENNEL MUST HAVE SOMEONE ON 24 7.
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ARE NO SPRINKLERS.BUT JUST LOOKING THROUGH THE UDCI COULDN'T FIND THE DIFFERENCE.
WELL I'M JUST SAYING I WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE THE YEAH.
ONE THING WHEN IT COMES TO SAFETY, I THINK THEY SHOULD ALL BE THE SAME.
AND I THINK IF THERE'S OVERNIGHT YEAH, TOP OF MY HEAD IT WAS BECAUSE KENNEL ALWAYS IMPLIED YOU COULD HAVE 'EM OVERNIGHT.
PET BOARDING IS MORE, OR SORRY, THE PET DAYCARE IS, YOU COULD, BUT IT'S ANCILLARY TO THE MAIN USE OF JUST THE DAYCARE.
A KENNEL IS MORE, YOU WILL HAVE THEM OVERNIGHT AND THAT'S JUST A GIVEN.
THIS IS MORE, IT'S JUST SECONDARY TO WHATEVER, UM, THAT MAIN USE IS.
BUT I CAN CERTAINLY GET CLARIFICATION 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE IS A REASON WHY WE DID BOTH.
AND UM, JUST ALSO FOR CLARIFICATION IN, UM, WHEN THE ESD OR EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT FOR HUDA UPDATED THEIR FIRE CODE TO, UM, MAKE A LOCAL AMENDMENT BECAUSE OF THAT FIRE IN GEORGETOWN, WE ALSO THEN FOLLOWED SUIT AND IMMEDIATELY ADOPTED THAT SAME FIRE CODE.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE ALWAYS TALKED TO THE FIRE CHIEF ABOUT AND THEY HAVE BEEN GREAT WITH SHARING THEIR INFORMATION.
UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ALSO DOING, UM, WITH THIS NEW CODE UPDATE THAT WILL BE GOING ON THURSDAY NIGHT.
IS THAT WHAT THE ESD HAS ADOPTED IS ALSO BEEN WHAT THE CITY ADOPTS WITH ALL OF THEIR LOCAL AMENDMENTS.
UM, THEY KNOW THEIR BUSINESS THE BEST AND THAT'S HOW WE YEAH.
THAT'S HOW WE WORK IS WE WILL ADOPT THEIR LOCAL AMENDMENTS.
AND THAT IS A, UM, SOMETHING I'VE COMMITTED TO THE FIRE CHIEF.
SO YEAH, THAT'S BASICALLY, IT'S A BUNCH OF THE OTHER STUFF THAT I EMAILED WAS, YOU KNOW, HEY THIS IS, THIS IS REDUNDANT, THIS SHOULD GO HERE.
BUT YEAH, I JUST WANT, SORRY FOR TAKING SO LONG THAT I JUST WANTED TO
YOU GUYS GLAD WE TALKED ABOUT IT.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, ASHLEY? I DO NOT.
UH, THIS SATURDAY AT NINE O'CLOCK AT THE NINTH GRADE CENTER, THE STRATEGIC PLANNING, SHOULD WE BE IN ATTENDANCE THERE OR JUST AS PRIVATE CITIZENS? MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT.
UM, SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE FOR THE BOARD, BUT AS PRIVATE, UM, CITIZEN RESIDENTS, YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO BE THERE.
IT'S POSTED WHICH ONE? UM, WE HAVE A STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION SO YOU CAN SIT IN AND LISTEN.
JUST LIKE A NORMAL COUNCIL MEETING.
THIS IS JUST SPECIAL CALLS TO HEAR THEM DISCUSS THE STRATEGIC AND WHEN IS THIS STRATEGIC PLANNING? THIS SATURDAY AT NINE O'CLOCK.
YEAH, AT THE NINTH GRADE CENTER.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A NOTICE FOR POSSIBLE QUORUM OF US.
I DON'T, NO, IT WOULD JUST BE AS PRIVATE RESIDENTS BECAUSE YOU WOULD RESPOND A GROUP.
I HAVE A QUESTION REALLY QUICK.
ALRIGHTYY, ASHLEY, WE MENTIONED, I WANNA SAY IT WAS IN THE DECEMBER MEETING, MAYBE THE LENNAR BUILD OFF OF 1 32 SOUTH OF 79.
THEY, I REMEMBER WE DISCUSSED HAVING ONE OF THOSE ELEVATED WATER TOWERS AT THAT LOCATION.
WHAT'S THE STATUS ON THAT GUY?
WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM LENNAR HERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE, OH MY GOD.
OH, DO WE REALLY LOOK AT THAT
WELL WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH LENNAR AGAIN.
THEY HAVE BEEN SUCH A GREAT PARTNER, UM, WITH THE CITY, ESPECIALLY ON THIS PROJECT THAT I WAS ACTUALLY TALKING TO EARLIER.
IT STARTED IN 2006, SO LONG BEFORE EITHER OF US, UM, HAD EVER STARTED WORKING FOR OUR, UM, HUDDLE OR LENNAR.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE GREAT THINGS THAT WE GET TO FINISH OUT.
BUT I WILL HAND THE, UM, FLOOR OVER TO MIA SO SHE CAN GIVE YOU THAT GOOD UPDATE.
MIA SERATO WITH LENNAR FOR THE RECORD.
UM, SO ACTUALLY I BELIEVE THE PLAT AMENDMENT THAT Y'ALL HAD REVIEWED TONIGHT WILL BE THE LOCATION OF THE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MATT RECTOR AND COBB FINLEY I THINK IS THE THIRD PARTY ENGINEER THAT THEY'VE HIRED TO DO, UH, SURVEY AND UTILITIES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT TO GET THE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK.
UH, I, I SAW A PRESENTATION FROM MATT IN JANUARY ON THERE, BUT CERTAINLY IF WE'VE GOT SOMEONE FROM
STILL MOVING FORWARD, WE ARE STILL VERY MUCH ENERGIZED AND IT IS ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.
SO, UM, WE ARE STILL MOVING, WHICH IS ALSO GONNA IMPROVE THAT AREA OVERALL JUST 'CAUSE WE KNOW WHERE WE NEED THOSE ELEVATED STORAGE TANKS.
HOW, CAN YOU GIVE ME THE SCHEMATICS THAT, DO WE EVEN KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE YET? LIKE HOW, HOW LARGE, HOW I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW TALL FROM THE CIP BUT I WILL DOUBLE CHECK.
IT SHOULD BE ONLINE UNDER THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY LISTED DOWN ON THE CIP OR IT SHOULD
YEAH, HE SHOULD PROBABLY UPDATE IT BECAUSE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAPS.
AND THEN AFTER SATURDAY'S MEETING, HIS TEAM WAS WORKING ON UPDATING EVERYTHING BASED ON THE, UM, THE FEEDBACK DISCUSSION ON, BUT I KNOW THAT THE
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CIP PROJECT KIND OF SAID LIKE, I, I FORGET IF IT WAS LIKE A 2.2 MILLION MM-HMMOR WHAT THE EXACT, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW TALL IT IS.
I'M ASSUMING, I'M ASSUMING IT'S VERY TALL.
SO IT'S GONNA BLOCK THE OVER A HUNDRED OR LESS THAN A HUNDRED.
I HAVE YET TO SEE ONE IN CENTRAL TEXAS AREA THAT'S LESS THAN A HUNDRED.
UM, BUT I THINK, YEAH, MATT RECTOR WOULD BE THE BEST.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SCHEMATICS.
YOU KNOW WHAT? I SHOULD REACH OUT TO HIM.
NOW I WONDER IF WE COULD GET, HE'S NOT WORKING AFTER HOURS.
UM, UM, BUT I WILL GET UPDATES BECAUSE I KNOW THAT AFTER THE DISCUSSION ON SATURDAY THAT HE'S GOT HIS TEAM WORKING ON THE UPDATES FOR ONLINE.
JUST SO THAT WE HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION ACROSS THE BOARD.
NOW THAT COUNCIL HAS HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT CIP AGAIN.
AND ACTUALLY THAT'S A REALLY, THAT JUST SPARKED A WHEN IS OUR NEXT DEEP DIVE ON CIP? IS THAT IN 26 OR IS THAT THIS YEAR? I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE A, UH, PRESENTATION TO YOU THIS YEAR BASED ON THE BUDGET CALENDAR.
IT'S NOT GONNA DEAL WITH ALL OF THE YEARS BECAUSE WE NEED TO KIND OF STAY THE PATH, STAY THE COURSE.
UM, BUT WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT NEXT YEAR BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY ESSENTIALLY COMPLETED ONE WITH HOW MM-HMM
MUCH MATT'S TEAM HAS BEEN DOING.
UM, 'CAUSE MATT AND HIS TEAM APPARENTLY DON'T STOP EVER
WE ARE ALREADY WELL INTO THAT YEAR.
SO NOW WE'RE JUST, WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, WE'VE ALREADY DECIDED ALL THESE THINGS.
COUNCIL'S ALREADY DISCUSSED EVERYTHING.
WE HAVE OUR GOALS THERE, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS NEXT YEAR.
WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU WANT IN THAT NEXT YEAR OUT? UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO REVISIT EVERYTHING.
'CAUSE I THINK SOMETIMES THAT'LL GET A LITTLE CHAOTIC IF EVERY YEAR WE ARE DISCUSSING, DO WE STILL WANT TO BE ON THE SAME PATH? AND IF WE START MOVING ALL THE PIECES MM-HMM
THAT'S REALLY A START, STOP, START, STOP FOR STAFF.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE PRIORITIZATION OF ITEMS ON THE CIP, DO YOU KNOW ASHLEY, IF MATT EVER TALKS TO ENTITIES LIKE HU PD AND LIKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GET THEIR TAKE ON, LIKE IF I WAS A COP AND I'M DRIVING HUDDLE STREETS EVERY SINGLE DAY, I'M GONNA HAVE AN OPINION ON WHAT STREET NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE ANOTHER STREET AND I DON'T HAVE THE SAME EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENT.
BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN A CERTAIN AREA.
SO MY THOUGHT IS CAN WE REACH OUT TO THE CHIEF LIEUTENANT, SOMEBODY LIKE, AND GET THEIR TAKE ON WHAT THEIR PERSPECTIVE IS? LIKE WHAT WOULD, HOW WOULD THEY PRIORITIZE THE ITEMS? BECAUSE I THINK COUNSEL GETS THEIR TAKE FROM CITIZENS AS THEY SHOULD, BUT I THINK IT, IT NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN CITIZEN OPINION ON HOW THOSE THINGS ARE PRIORITIZED.
A A YOU BRING UP A REALLY GOOD POINT.
LIKE I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT CHIEF COULD PROBABLY SAY, HERE ARE THE FIVE MOST ACCIDENT PRONE INTERSECTIONS IN HURO.
THESE SHOULD BE AT THE TOP OF ANY SORT OF REVISION OR SAFETY CORRECTION THAT THIS, UM, CRASH DATA IS SOMETHING THAT MATT ACTUALLY ALSO MATT RECTOR CITY ENGINEER ALSO HAS ACCESS TO.
AND HE SHOWED IT TO ME AND MIND BLOWN.
UM, BUT THAT'S ONE THING THAT HE ACTUALLY INCLUDES IN HIS PRESENTATION AS WELL, TYPICALLY, OR AT LEAST IN THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION OF HOW HE IS RANKING THINGS.
UM, SO LIKE THE LIGHT INNOVATION AND LIMMER MM-HMM
LIKE THEY ACTUALLY GO IN AND THEY LOOK AT THOSE THINGS.
THOSE ARE ALSO THINGS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT ON THE ENGINEERING LEVEL.
UM, NOT JUST ON THE PD LEVEL BECAUSE HE HAS ACCESS TO ALL OF THAT TRANSPORTATION DATA.
I'M THINKING BEYOND THAT THOUGH, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
LIKE THERE IS THAT, THAT TYPE OF DATA.
BUT IF I'M A COP AND I'M DRIVING A HUDDLE ROAD MM-HMM
THERE'S NO DATA THAT SAYS LIKE, THIS ROAD IS WORSE THAN THIS ONE.
BUT THEY KNOW THAT EXCHANGE IS NOT GREAT.
THEY KNOW THAT LIVE OAK ISN'T GREAT.
THEY KNOW THAT 1 99 ISN'T GREAT AND MULTIPLE OTHERS.
BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR SOUNDS LIKE SERVICE LEVEL OR PAVEMENT.
'CAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE THE PAVEMENT PLANS, BUT WE ALSO DO HAVE SERVICE LEVELS, UM, THAT YOU HAVE TO CALL OUT.
UM, AS FAR AS HOW MUCH TRAFFIC AT LIGHTS AND THEN NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL ROAD ITSELF.
HOW IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE THEIR COP CARS BECAUSE THEIR SHOCKS ARE GOING OUT FROM DRIVING OUR ROADS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? UM, ASSESSMENT NOW MM-HMM
THAT WAS DONE LAST YEAR AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE.
SO WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE, IN MY OPINION, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH INCLUDED WITH THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS THAT COUNCIL USES WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE SAYING THIS IS A PRIORITY OVER THIS ONE.
BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE IN, MY, MY THOUGHT IS IT NEEDS TO BE A LOT MORE DATA DRIVEN THAN PERSPECTIVE, OPINION DRIVEN.
AND I THINK THAT'S HOW IT'S LEANING NOW.
BUT IF THEY HAD THAT TYPE OF DATA READILY AVAILABLE, THAT WOULD HELP THEM BE MORE CONFIDENT IN THE
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DECISIONS THAT THEY'RE MAKING TOO.SO, OR OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, OKAY, HERE'S WHERE MATT P AND Z, WHATEVER RANKED THESE ROADS, HERE'S THE DATA WE USE TO ACHIEVE THOSE RANKINGS.
AND THEN COUNCIL ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
COUNCIL CAN TURN AROUND AND SAY, OH WELL I LIKE THIS ONE.
BUT THE DATA SAYS THAT'S NUMBER 20.
WE'VE JUST LEFT YOU STANDING THERE,
IT WAS A VERY ENTERTAINING CONVERSATION.
I WAS SITTING THERE LISTENING DOING THE SAME THING.
SO ARE, ARE WE HERE FOR YOUR AMUSEMENT? YES.
WELL IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THEN WE WILL ADJOURN THIS.
SIX POINT I I DENIED ITEM SIX.
SHE SAID SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
ANY DISCUSSION IS UNDER THAT? I'M NOT LISTENING.
I TURNED IT OVER 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATES.
SO WE WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR FEBRUARY 4TH AT 8 0 1.