14.5 Discussion and possible action on the request by Michele Kelley for HSA contributions per her letter dated January 27, 2025. (Mike Snyder)

[14.5 Discussion and possible action on the request by Michele Kelley for HSA contributions per her letter dated January 27, 2025. (Mike Snyder) ]

COMMENT. THERE IS NO OBJECTIONS. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK ON 14.5. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT ONE OF NEXT. HEARING ON. WE WILL START WITH 14.5. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE REQUEST BY MICHELE KELLEY FOR HSA PATIENTS PER HER LETTER DATED JANUARY 27, 2025. AND IF I CALL YOUR NAME TO SPEAK ON IT, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. YOU MAY, DURING PUBLIC COMMENT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS BUT WHEN YOU ARE ON THE AGENDA ITEM SOMEONE ON THE COUNCIL MAY FEEL THE NEED TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. SO BE PREPARED FOR THAT. FIRST UP WE HAVE DEANNA LEWIS.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DEANNA LEWIS AND I AM EMPLOYED AS A PATROL OFFICER FOR THE HUTTO POLICE DEPARTMENT. I CURRENTLY SERVE ON THE ASSOCIATION. I AM HERE TO DENY THE HSA BENEFIT TO THE KELLY FAMILY. SINCE 2001, I WAS ON DUTY THE DAY THAT SERGEANT CHRIS KELLY WAS TAKEN FROM US. I WAS PART OF THE SCHOOL-BASED LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WE WERE DESIGNED A DATE ASSIGNED TO THE SCHOOL FOR A FEW WEEKS. THE TEAMWORK AND TIMES OF NEED FOR FELLOW BROTHERS AND SISTER SIMPLY WAS WHAT WE NEED. THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY. TEAMWORK IN A TIME OF NEED, STANDING IN PLACE OF CHRIS, UNABLE TO STAND FOR HIMSELF OR HIS FAMILY. MICHELLE HAS AFFORDED THE PROTECTION BY GOVERNMENT CODE 6.15 FOR IF IT'S PROVIDED BY THE CITY OF HUTTO. MICHELLE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR LOGGING IN, MAKING OPEN ENROLLMENT SELECTIONS THAT BEST FIT THE NEEDS OF HER FAMILY, LIKE IN MY OWN COVERAGE SELECTION I CAN CHOOSE A HIGHER OR LOWER LEVEL DEDUCTIBLE PLAN. IF I CHOOSE THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN THE CITY OF HUTTO PROVIDES, I AM ELIGIBLE FOR THE HSA CONJURATION. AS A SURVIVING SPOUSE MICHELLE SHOULD RECEIVE THOSE DOLLARS. IT IS NOT A PAYCHECK ORDINATION. IT IS PART OF THE BENEFITS PACKAGE THAT CHRIS WOULD HAVE HAD ACCESS TO HAD HE NOT HAD HIS LIFE TAKEN MOST OF THE CITY. I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION MY ARGUMENT THAT THE HSA CONTRIBUTION IS IN FACT PART OF THE BENEFITS PACKAGE THAT MRS. KELLEY IS ENTITLED TO. I WOULD ASK THAT THIS IS A WHOLE, VERSUS HSA AS A SEPARATE ITEM. THE POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION HELD AN EMERGENCY VOTE THIS WEEK. IN ORDER TO COVER THE 2024 AND 2025 HSA AMOUNT FOR THE KELLEY FAMILY. WITH LESS THAN A 48 HOUR TURNAROUND, 80% OF THE VOTING MEMBERS RESPONDED WITH 100% RESOUNDING YES. THE OFFICERS OF THE HUTTO LEASE DEPARTMENT MADE A PROMISE IN 2015 TO NEVER FORGET AND TO ALWAYS BE FAMILY. AND WE STAND HERE TODAY TO REMIND MRS. KELLEY AND THE COUNCIL OF THE COMMITMENT. THANK

YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU.

>> NEXT WE HAVE MICHELLE KELLEY. >> I HAVE SOME COPIES FOR Y'ALL.

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KENITE EITHER GIVE THEM -- YOU MAY GIVE THEM TO THE CITY SECRETARY.

>> I WANT TO START OUT BY THANKING EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT, FOR ALL OF THE SUPPORT AND THE LOVE. IT SHOWS HOW MUCH THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, HOW MUCH THEY MEAN TO ME. AND HOW MUCH THEY WERE AFFECTED BY CHRIS'S DEATH AND I WAS NOT AWARE OF THE HP OA STUFF, I AM A LITTLE EMOTIONAL ABOUT THAT AND VERY GRATEFUL. THANK YOU TO DEANNA AND EVERYONE FROM HP OA. SOME PEOPLE, TO GET UP-TO-DATE ON SOME OF THE THINGS, I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM MR. EARP AROUND 3:30 THIS AFTERNOON. WHICH ADDRESSED SOME ITEMS I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS, THAT I FEEL LIKE WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. WHAT I PROVIDED WITH THE COPIES WAS THE GOVERNMENT CODE WHERE 6.15, AND 615.077, IT DOES OBVIOUSLY ALLOW ME TO HAVE THE COVERAGE, THE RADICAL COVERAGE. IT ALSO ALLOWS ME TO HAVE IT AT THE EMPLOYEE RATE, WHICH I HAVE BEEN GETTING FOR THE PAST 9 1/2 YEARS. THE OTHER ONE ON THE TOP SHEET I WANT TO ADDRESS IS .076, LEVEL OF COVERAGE. ELIGIBLE SURVIVOR MAY ELECT TO PURCHASE OR PURCHASE ANY LEVEL CURRENTLY OFFERED BY THE EMPLOYING ENTITY . I UNDERSTAND THAT HSA IS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT WORDING. BUT IT IS UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF WHAT HUTTO OFFERS WHEN I PICK THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN, PIGGYBACKING OFF OF WHAT DEANNA SAID. THAT IS ALL I AM ASKING FOR, 2015 TO 2020 I RECEIVED THE BENEFITS, THE HSA DISBURSEMENTS. I HAVE TAX FORMS FROM THE CITY OF HUTTO. FOR ME TO LEGALLY DO THIS I HAVE TAX FORMS FROM A+ FEDERAL CREDIT UNION, FOR ME TO LEGALLY DO THIS. THERE IS NOTHING ON WHY I SEE WHY I AM NOT GETTING IT. HUTTO STOPPED IT FOR A LITTLE AND WHEN THEY REINSTATED IT I WAS NOT INCLUDED. I WAS NEVER GIVEN WRITTEN INFO ON WHY I WAS NOT INCLUDED. NOW WE ARE HERE. I WAS GOING TO OBVIOUSLY GO INTO MORE DETAIL BUT I THINK THAT IS ENOUGH FOR NOW. I DO HAVE SOMEONE WHO YIELDED THEIR TIME TO ME BUT I WOULD LIKE TO USE THAT AT THE END IF NEED BE, IF POSSIBLE.

>> YES MA'AM. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >>

>> I THINK MATTHEW RUBY, YOU ARE GOING TO YIELD IT FOR LATER? OKAY, SO NEXT WE HAVE BRIAN FLYNN.

>> MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE HUTTO CITY COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME TIME TO SPEAK ON 14.5, ON THE HALF OF MICHELE KELLEY. I AM REPRESENTING THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL POLICE ASSOCIATION. EXCUSE ME FOR MY VOICE BEING A LITTLE FROGGY, I JUST GOT BACK FROM WASHINGTON, D.C. ON A COUPLE DAYS OF CAPITOL HILL. I AM ASSIGNED TO THE GOVERNMENT FEARS ASSOCIATION, WE REPRESENT ABOUT 41,000 FIRST RESPONDERS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. IN THE MATTER OF MICHELE KELLEY BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THE FOLLOWING. THERE MAY BE A LAWFUL REQUIREMENT TO TAKE ACTION ON YOUR PART OR THERE MAY BE A MORAL AND A JUST COURSE OF ACTION ON YOUR PART. SERGEANT KELLEY LEFT A LEGACY WITH HIS FAMILY, HIS FRIENDS, AND HIS COWORKERS. THE DECISION YOU MAKE ON THIS MATTER WILL BE YOUR LEGACY. IT WILL HAVE AN EFFECT ON EVERY FIRST RESPONDER WHO CURRENTLY SERVES THE CITY OF HUTTO. AND ON ANY FIRST RESPONDER WHO MIGHT CHOOSE TO COME TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF HUTTO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

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>> NEXT WE HAVE RENEE --

>> SO, I PERSONALLY HAVE NEVER MET MICHELE KELLEY. MY HUSBAND HAS WORKED WITH HER QUITE A BIT. BUT I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT -- Y'ALL DON'T HAVE TO BE REMINDED ABOUT ALL OF THE PAST THAT HUTTO HAS HAD. BUT I WAS ONCE TOLD A SAYING THAT PERCEPTION IS REALITY, PERCEPTION IS REALITY AND THE PERCEPTION THAT HUTTO HAS RIGHT NOW IS NOT THE BEST. WE HAVE A LOT OF LAWSUITS UNDER OUR BELT. NOT SO GREAT. RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOMETHING GOOD HAPPEN. THAT IS BY HELPING OUT MICHELE KELLEY AND HER FAMILY. I DON'T THINK HUTTO WANTS TO BE KNOWN AS THE CITY WHO TURNED AWAY BENEFITS TO A FALLEN POLICE OFFICERS FAMILY. I DO NOT KNOW ALL OF THE LEGALITIES, I HAVE NOT AN ATTORNEY OR SOMEONE WHO KNOWS ALL OF THAT, BUT I THINK DOING WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND TO CONTINUE HER BENEFITS AND TO BE KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC AND TO THE CITIZENS OF HUTTO, THAT TO TURN AROUND THE PERCEPTION OF WHAT THE CITY OR THE PUBLIC SEES FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO. MIKE, YOU POSTED SOMETHING WHEN THERE WAS A POST ABOUT -- AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO TURN THINGS AROUND AND DO THE RIGHT . YOU SAID THAT CITY COUNCIL NEEDED TO TAKE RESPONSE ABILITY FOR THAT. I KNOW THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS BUT THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY, THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE GOOD ON THE COMMENT. THE COMMENT YOU POSTED I THINK JUST TWO DAYS AGO. I THINK NOW IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT PERCEPTION A REALITY TO THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF HUTTO AND

DO THE RIGHT THING. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> NEXT, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LAST NAME. IS IT CASEY PREUSS?

DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? >> PRICE.

>> SORRY. >> THAT'S OKAY. I AM USED TO IT. COUNCIL, I STAND HERE TODAY AS A LIFETIME MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY OF HUTTO. I GREW UP HERE AND CHOSEN TO RAISE MY FAMILY HERE. IN ALL OF MY TIME I HAVE NEVER BEEN MORE ASHAMED TO BE PART OF THIS TOWN. TO BE HONEST, THE FACT THAT I AM HERE OVER BENEFITS THAT THE KELLEY FAMILY SHOULD BE RECEIVING ASTONISHES ME. A YEAR AGO MY DAUGHTERS TO BE FOR YOU TO RECEIVE THE CITY OF HUTTO ANTI-BULLYING AUTOMATION.

OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS SHORT LIVED BECAUSE HERE WE ARE. OVER THE CITY TRYING TO BULLY THE KELLEY FAMILY. ON TUESDAY AFTERNOON I ACCOMPANIED MICHELE TO A MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGER. AND AN EMPLOYEE OF HIS. I WAS THERE IS A CHRIS KELLEY FOUNDATION BOARD MEMBER BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST AS A FRIEND. AND WHAT I HOPED WOULD BE A MEETING OF APOLOGIES AND TRYING TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT, I BECAME INCREASINGLY FRUSTRATED AS I LISTENED. THINGS SUCH AS YOU MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT I WAS TYPING, FROM THE CITY MANAGER.

TO HIM NOT EVEN KNOWING THE NUMBER OF DEPENDENTS THAT CHRIS AND MICHELE SHARE. AND ONE THAT KNOCKED ME COMPLETELY OFF MY FEET, YOU WOULD NOT NEED THE FAMILY PLAN. WHAT A WAY FOR THE LEADER OF THE COMMUNITY TO POUR SALT IN AN OBVIOUS WOUND AND SOMEHOW IMPLY THEY ARE LESS THAN. I LISTENED AS MR. EARP URGED MICHELE TO DO RESEARCH, WHILE POINTING TO HIS EMPLOYEE TO DO HIS FOR HIM. I LISTENED AS HE EXPLAINED THAT YEARS WORTH OF RECORDS HAVE JUST UP AND GONE LIKE THAT. THAT IN ITSELF IS A CONCERN. I LISTENED AS YOU BLAMED EVERYONE BUT YOURSELF. I LISTENED AS YOU SAID THIS WAS NOT EMOTIONAL FOR YOU, IT IS LOGISTICS. THERE LIES THE PROBLEM. I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE BEEN HERE A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME. BUT WHAT YOU FAILED TO DO IS EDUCATE YOURSELF ON WHAT THIS TOWN IS ACTUALLY FOUNDED ON, HUTTO IS A TOWN THAT WOULD RUN INTO CHRIS AT RIO DURING LUNCH.

OR BAKED SCONE FOR BREAKFAST. WE ARE THE TIME THAT FELT THE MASSIVE LOSS, WE LINED THE HIGHWAYS AS CHRIS PASSED BY FOR ONE FINAL TIME. WE ARE THE TOWN THAT LINED HIGHWAY 79 WITH BLUE RIBBONS, WE FOR BLUE PINS AND WE FLOODED THE PARK FOR A CANDLELIT VIGIL. WE COME TOGETHER EVERY JUNE TO HONOR AND CELEBRATE THE LIFE OF OFFICER CHRIS KELLEY AT THE ANNUAL FIVE KEY. TO WHICH I DO NOT RECOGNIZE MANY FACES HERE. YOU SEE MR. EARP, HERE IN HUTTO, THIS IS NOT A NUMBERS GAME. THIS IS A TOWN OF HEART, THE BEAR YOU HOPED IS A PILLAR IN THIS TOWN, THE KELLEY FAMILY.

WHEN YOU POKE THE BEAR, EACH AND EVERY TIME YOU WILL BE MET WITH A SEA OF BLUE THAT WILL NOT WAIVER AND WE WILL DEMAND YOU DO WHAT'S RIGHT. CHRIS LAID DOWN HIS LIFE TO PROTECT THIS TOWN

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AND COMMUNITY. THE VERY LEAST YOU CAN DO IS RIGHT BY HIS FAMILY. COUNCIL, PLEASE HELP ME BELIEVE IN THIS TOWN AGAIN AND DO BETTER AND MAKE THINGS RIGHT BY THE KELLEY FAMILY.

>> HELLO. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF HUTTO FOR 17 YEARS. I AM NOT SURE HOW MANY OF YOU WERE HERE 9 1/2 YEARS AGO. ON THE DAY THAT CHRIS WAS KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY HALF A MILE FROM MY HOUSE ON 1660 SOUTH. I CAN REMEMBER MY WIFE THAT DAY, MANY WIVES OF FRIENDS, WONDERING WHY HER FRIEND WAS WIDOWED THAT THEY.

UNFORTUNATELY MICHELE WAS WHEN CHRIS WAS KILLED. I REMEMBER GOING TO SHORELINE CHURCH FOR HIS FUNERAL. THE BUILDING WAS PACKED. I REMEMBER MICHELE EULOGIZING CHRIS, THINKING SHE WAS THE STRONGEST WOMAN I HAVE EVER SEEN. AFTER THAT SERVICE, GOING OUT AND HEARING A 21 GUN SALUTE. THE END OF WATCH CALL BROUGHT ME TO TEARS. I REMEMBER STANDING ON THE BRIDGE, ACROSS 45, WITH A PROCESSION OF OVER 100 MOTORCYCLES, TRUCKS, CARS, LAW ENFORCEMENT FROM AROUND THE STATE HERE TO PAY THEIR RESPECTS TO CHRIS. I REMEMBER GATHERING ON EXCHANGE BOULEVARD, WITH HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF OUR RESIDENTS OF HUTTO TO HONOR CHRIS ONE MORE TIME, TO PAY OUR SUPPORT TO HIS FAMILY. AS YOU CAN SEE 9 1/2 YEARS LATER THE SUPPORT IS STILL YOUR FOR THAT FAMILY. IF THOSE, WHOEVER HAS THE DECISION TO MAKE THIS RIGHT, IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO, I HOPE EVERY TIME YOU ARE ON HIGHWAY 79 AND YOU SEE THAT SIGN THAT SAYS CHRIS KELLEY BOULEVARD, YOU REMEMBER THE SACRIFICE HE MADE FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO IN THEIR TIME OF NEED AND YOU TURNED YOUR BACK ON HIS FAMILY EMIRS.

>> NEXT WE HAVE RYAN GRUBBS. >> I HOPE I DO NOT GET EMOTIONAL.

NAME IS BRIAN GRUBBS, I AM A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER. AND IN MY OVER 20 YEARS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, 10 OF THESE YEARS WERE SPENT HERE WORKING FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO POLICE DEPARTMENT.

DURING THAT TIME I SERVED AS PRESIDENT OF THE LEASE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION. AND I WAS SHIFT MEETS -- MATES WITH CHRIS KELLEY FOR AT LEAST SEVEN OF THOSE YEARS. I AM NORMALLY NOT EMOTIONAL AND DID NOT EXPECT THIS AT ALL. THE THEME TONIGHT I THINK IS GOING TO BE THAT WE ARE NEVER GOING TO FORGET. AND I WILL NEVER FORGET THAT MORNING AS A SUPERVISOR OVER SOME SPECIAL PROGRAMS OF THE DEPARTMENT. I GRABBED ONE OF THE PATROL OFFICERS TO TAKE HER OFF OF THE SHIFT FOR HELPING ME WITH A PROJECT. I WALKED INTO CHRIS'S OFFICE AND I SAID HEY CHRIS, I NEED TO TAKE A PATROL OFFICER, WE WILL BE GONE TWO HOURS MOST. CAN YOU LISTEN TO BE RADIO? IF ANYTHING HAPPENS ON PATROL CAN YOU JUST RESPOND? HE IS LIKE SURE.

HOURS LATER HE WAS DEAD.

SPOKEN ABOUT THAT PUBLICLY AND IT TOOK ME A YEAR TO SHARE THE STORY WITH MICHELE. BUT DURING THAT TIME THE COMMUNITY CAME

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TOGETHER AND PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED THAT. AGAIN, I WILL NEVER FORGET PULLING BACK INTO THE CITY LIMITS OF HUTTO AS WE WERE ESCORTING HIS BODY BACK TO THE CITY. HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE.

LINED THE STREETS OF HUTTO. THERE WAS NOT A DRY EYE IN OUR POLICE CAR. SOME OF THE OFFICERS IN MY CAR THAT DAY ARE SITTING BEHIND ME TONIGHT. I RECOGNIZE THEM. I ALSO RECOGNIZE THE MAILER, -- MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, OTHER LEADERS OF THE COMMUNITY. AND ONE THING THAT WE DID IS LOOK AT MICHELE, AND HER FAMILY, MOST OF THEM ARE SITTING RIGHT HERE. CHRIS'S FATHER, ALSO A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER. AND WE TOLD THEM ARE SORRY. WE ARE SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS. WE ARE NOT GOING TO FORGET. IF YOU EVER NEED ANYTHING, WE ARE HERE FOR YOU.

NOW I KNOW ALMOST ALL OF Y'ALL LIVE HERE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYBE ONE OR TWO, OR MAYBE NOT EVEN HERE THEN. IT PROBABLY DOES NOT MEAN TO YOU WHAT IT DOES TO US. AND I HAVE LIVED HERE 25 YEARS. MY WIFE'S FAMILY HAS BEEN HERE MANY MORE YEARS THAN THAT. AND I AM CONFIDENT THAT AFTER YOU HEARING FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU ALL ARE GOING TO FIX WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED. I AM OFFENDED THAT MICHELE FELT SLIGHTED, THAT WE EVEN HAD TO BE HERE. I FIRMLY BELIEVE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED AS A CITY MANAGER DECISION AND WE NEVER SHOULD'VE HAD TO COME HERE AND SPEAK. BUT, HERE WE ARE. I AM ASKING ALL OF YOU TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT.

HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN THEM. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> MICHELE? >> I JUST WANT TO TAKE THIS TIME TO GRACIOUSLY SAY THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART TO EVERYBODY. I DID NOT EXPECT TO GET EMOTIONAL. BECAUSE I DO HAVE TO BE STRONG. I HAVE TO BE STRONG FOR MY KIDS ALL THE TIME.

I HAVE TO BE STRONG FOR, YOU KNOW, DAILY LIFE. RIGHT? ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE THE WORST CASE SCENARIO HAPPENED TO YOU. WITH THAT SAID GOD SURROUNDED ME WITH ALL THESE AMAZING PEOPLE AND I AM SO INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL. I AM JUST ASKING FOR WHAT IS RIGHT. I AM NOT ASKING FOR MORE. I REALLY AM NOT. LIKE I AM NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING THAT ANY OTHER EMPLOYEE DOES NOT HAVE. THAT IS IT. I WAS TOLD THAT MY KIDS AND I WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF. IT JUST DOES NOT FEEL THAT WAY. I WILL SAY BECAUSE OF THE HIGH TURNOVER RATE IN HUTTO, UNFORTUNATELY EVERY YEAR OR EVERY OTHER YEAR IT IS LIKE STARTING OVER. SO THIS IS NOT NEW BUT NEW AS FAR AS THIS LEVEL. AND SO IT IS HARD BEING THE ONLY FAMILY TO FIT IN THIS BOX. RIGHT? I DO NOT WANT OTHER FAMILIES TO FIT IN THIS BOX. I WOULD RATHER BE ALONE IN THIS BOX THAN ANY OTHER FAMILY TO BE IN IT. BUT IT IS ALSO HARD TO BE IN THIS BOX ALONE. BECAUSE IT IS NOT UNPRECEDENTED. LIKE UNFORTUNATELY 9 1/2 YEARS LATER THERE ARE STILL THINGS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED. THAT IS ALL I AM ASKING FOR, THIS TO BE FIXED AND THIS TO BE OVER. THAT IS IT.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >>

>> SO WHEN ME EMAIL -- THE EMAIL CAME OUT, MAYBE WITHIN FIVE MINUTES I WAS ASKING FOR THE ITEM TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA.

WITH THAT I WILL MAKE A MOTION AND THEN I WILL EXPLAIN KIND OF MY THOUGHTS. IF I GET A SECOND. THAT I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO TRANSFER $5000 TO THE HP OA FOR CURRENT YEAR AND PREVIOUS YEAR HSA CONTRIBUTIONS, AND TO HAVE STAFF BRING BACK A POLICY CHANGE TO MAKE ALL MEDICAL COST PREMIUMS TO BE PAID FOR FOR ALL EMPLOYEES THAT ARE FALLEN

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OFFICERS OR EMPLOYEES THAT DIE ON THE JOB.

>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING OUT HERE. WHEN I TALKED TO MICHELE, I WAS FIRED UP. WHAT YOU ALL HAVE SAID, AND GOING BACK, I DO NOT THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO SAY WHAT I NORMALLY WOULD SAY. I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY, I TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER, I THINK THIS IS A BIG LOST OPPORTUNITY WE COULD'VE HAD. AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE COULD HAVE BROUGHT THE ITEM FORWARD TO BE FIXED, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY THERE IS A BETTER WAY TO DO THINGS. MAYBE THE LAW IS MURKY AND ALL THAT BUT WE HAVE A BETTER FIX. INSTEAD OF UNFORTUNATELY THE ROUTE WE TOOK. SO WHAT I PROMISE YOU ALL IS THAT EVERY SUPPORTER , EVERY POLICE OFFICER THAT WORKS HERE AND IS MAYBE THINKING OF COMING HERE, WE WILL MAKE THINGS RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO, HOPEFULLY PEOPLE VOTE FOR THIS. WE HAVE A POLICY THAT MAYBE MAKES BENEFITS A LITTLE BIT BETTER. WHEN I WAS TALKING TO MICHELE, I SAID IT IS KIND OF CRAP IN A WAY TO KNOW THAT YOU WENT THROUGH THAT WHEN ONE, THERE IS A STATE LAW THAT IS MADE AND TWO, THE STATE LAW JUST SAYS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU JUST BASICALLY GET TO PAY THE PREMIUM. $200 A WEEK, PAY PERIOD, WHATEVER YOUR LEVEL OF INSURANCE IS. AND I THOUGHT, I TOLD HER, -- YOU WOULD THINK THE POLICY WOULD BE MORE TO THAT.

LIKE IF THERE IS ONE THING YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HIS HEALTH INSURANCE OR THE PREMIUMS, ANYTHING, LIKE YOU PICK THE PLAN. WHATEVER YOU WANT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET. IN MY MIND YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO GET IT UNTIL YOU ARE 65 YEARS OLD AND YOUR CHILDREN OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO GET IT UNTIL IT IS I THINK 2425. DEPENDENT ON SOME OTHER THINGS. BUT THERE SHOULD BE ONE THING, I TOLD MICHELE I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE WHAT YOU WENT THROUGH AT THAT TIME. I MOVED HERE IN 2017 AND DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET CHRIS. IN TALKING TO EVERYBODY, IT IS LIKE I HAVE KNOWN CHRIS, WITHOUT EVER MEETING HIM. THEN TO SEE Y'ALL COME OUT HERE, PEOPLE GETTING UPSET , IT SHOWS THE LOVE AND RESPECT THAT EVERYBODY HAD FOR CHRIS . I HOPE THAT WE FIND A WAY. I DO NOT KNOW LEGALLY, I DON'T REALLY CARE, JUST FIGURE IT OUT, I HOPE THAT IS WHAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO DO. THEY GET PAID A LOT OF MONEY FOR US TO SAY, OUR JOB AS DIRECT STAFF TO DO SOMETHING AND THEN THEY FIGURED OUT AND IF THEY CAN'T THEN WE GET OTHER STAFF TO DO IT. THAT IS WHAT I AM HOPING HERE, DIRECT TO SOMETHING THAT NEVER GETS USED AGAIN AND DOES NOT BECOME A BIG BUDGET THING. BUT WHEN OUR OFFICERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS ARE OUT DOING WHAT THEY DO AND THEY GO INTO DANGER, I DO NOT WANT THEM TO EVER HAVE A THOUGHT IN THE BACK OF THEIR MIND, WHO WOULD TAKE CARE OF LIKE MY FAMILY, MY KIDS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT IS KIND OF WHY I DID THAT. I TALKED TO COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON A LOT ABOUT IT.

>> COULD YOU REPEAT THE MOTION, PLEASE?

>> MOTION TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO TRANSFER $5000 TO THE HPOA FOR CURRENT YEAR AND PREVIOUS , FOR THE CURRENT YEAR AND PREVIOUS HSA CONTRIBUTIONS AND HAVE THE STAFF BRING BACK A POLICY CHANGE TO MAKE ALL MEDICAL PREMIUMS PAID FOR , FOR ALL FALLEN EMPLOYEES. AND I SHOULD ADD THE $5000 , I DO NOT REALLY KNOW ABOUT THE IRS AND ALL OF THAT BUT AS I TOLD THE CITY'S ATTORNEY, I DO NOT CARE. THE EASIEST ROUTE, I CONTACTED HPOA. I SAID DOES THIS EVEN MAKE SENSE? IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A DUMB QUESTION. IT WAS QUICK. LIKE THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WITHOUT HER GETTING PAID. AND I THOUGHT WELL THIS IS A WAY TO MAKE THAT RIGHT. AND AT LEAST WHAT WE ARE DOING A POLICY CHANGE, WE HOPEFULLY GET THAT DONE TO WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. THEN WE WILL HAVE WHATEVER PEOPLE COME BACK WITH, THE PROPER WAY TO WORD IT. OR WHATEVER WITH THE ORDINANCE.

THAT WAS THE 5000 PART THAT I FAILED TO MENTION.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY, WE ARE NOT TALKING JUST THAT THE CITY WILL PAY ALL PREMIUMS GOING FORWARD BUT ALSO, I THOUGHT WHAT WE DISCUSSED, THE CITY WOULD BE THE HSA CONTRIBUTION LIKE IT DOES FOR EMPLOYEES GOING FORWARD AS WELL.

>> SO LITERALLY INSURANCE IS NOT, THERE WILL BE SO MANY THINGS THAT I COULD NOT IMAGINE WHAT SHE WENT THROUGH AND STILL GO THROUGH TODAY. THE ONE THING I DO NOT WANT A PERSON TO EVER WORRY ABOUT IS I HAVE GOT TO MAKE A $500 PAYMENT. BECAUSE CHRIS COULD HAVE STAYED HERE, COULD HAVE HAD BETTER AND IF IT'S, AND NOW UNTIL YOU ARE 65, YOU WOULD HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT

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MAKING THAT PAYMENT AND WORRY ABOUT THAT. TO ME THAT IS JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT A SINGLE PERSON TRYING TO RAISE THEIR FAMILY WITHOUT THEIR HUSBAND, THE FATHER, TO WORRY ABOUT. SO WE -- AWAY A LOT OF MONEY IN THE CITY AND I GET MAD ABOUT, THIS IS A SMALL FRACTION OF THE $28 MILLION BUDGET THAT IS NOT EVEN BECAUSE OF $1200. OR $1400. AND I TOLD MICHELE THAT I THINK THERE IS A CHANCE HERE THAT WE COULD INSTITUTE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SHE HAS TALKED TO OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS OR OTHER PEOPLE IN OTHER CITIES. THEY STRUGGLE SOMETIMES WITH THIS. MAYBE WE CAN BE THE CITY THAT STARTED SOMETHING AND THEN WORK WITH THE STATE TO ENSHRINE IT IN STATE LAW. LIKE REALLY MAYBE THE CHRIS KELLEY BILL WHERE HE CAN BE REMEMBERED AND OTHER WAYS, THROUGH DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAME UP . SOMETHING

EVEN BETTER CAME OF IT. >> MAYOR, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY IT IS RETROACTIVE TO A CERTAIN DATE. LIKE 2014 OR SOMETHING. BECAUSE IF YOU MAKE IT A POLICY CHANGE NOW, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT COVERS CHRIS.

>> YES, WHATEVER , STAFF OUGHT TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING

ABOUT. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT VERY

CLEAR. >> FOR THE $5000 THAT WILL BE TRANSFERRED TO THE HPOA, THIS IS GOING TO TRUE UP FOR YEARS 2022- 2023, 2024 AND 2025. IS THAT YOUR INTENTIONS? CORRECT?

>> MY INTENTION IS TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT IS NOT BEEN PAID, WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAID. I DON'T WANT IT TO BE LIKE A LITTLE AMOUNT AND THEN COME BACK AND SAY WELL IT WAS NOT QUITE

ENOUGH. >> SO I GUESS, TOTALLY FINE WITH THAT, I GUESS WE NEED TO, WHAT I AM WORRIED ABOUT IS FUTURE PAYMENTS AND ENSURING THAT THE CITY IS CONTRIBUTING IN THE FUTURE. SO SHE DOES NOT HAVE TO COME BACK YOU KNOW, YEAR OVER YEAR, AND TRACK THESE THINGS. AND SO WE NEED SOMETHING THAT WILL CONTINUE WITH THIS , WITH THE CITY COULD RIVETING TO BE HSA ACCOUNT. EVERYTHING ON THE BENEFIT SIDE IS COVERED. THAT HAS ALL BEEN IMPLEMENTED WELL. WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE ON SO SHE DOES NOT HAVE TO WATCH THIS LIKE A HAWK. I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING YOU INTEND TO DO WITH THE POLICY BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY,

YOU KNOW, ENSHRINED IN THAT. >> THAT WAS WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT THAT WAS WHAT THE INTENT WAS. WE AGREED ON THAT. THAT IS PART OF THE MISSION.

>> OKAY, SO THAT WILL BE WITH THE CITY PAYING TOWARDS IT DIRECTLY AND NOT THROUGH THE POLICE ASSOCIATION.

>> I DON'T KNOW AND I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE IRS, WE CAN DONATE MONEY TO NONPROFITS. WE DO THAT AND WE WILL FIND 5000 TO GIVE TO THAT AND THAT IS TAKING CARE OF WHILE WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO WRITE THE POLICY AND THE ORDINANCE. THAT WILL

BASICALLY CORRECT EVERYTHING. >> PERFECT. THANK YOU FOR THE

EQUIVOCATION. >> PERSONALLY I WOULD NOT LIKE THEM TO HAVE TO PAY, MAYBE BY STATE LAW WE CAN'T, BUT THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PAY BE EMPLOYEE PREMIUM PRICE. IT IS

JUST COVERED. >> THAT WAS OUR INTENTION.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU

WERE SAYING. >>

>> I APPRECIATE THE CLAPPING BUT WE REALLY --

>> THIS IS OUR JOB. >> WE DO NOT NEED THE CLAPPING, HONESTLY. WE HAVE ONE OF THE EASIEST JOBS.

>> WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE VERY CLEAR ON HOW WE ARE

MOVING FORWARD. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY IT IS HARD TO KEEP A DRY EYE UP HERE. YOU KNOW, KEEPING A STONE FACE. IN MY EMPLOYMENT IN THE MANY YEARS, I HAVE WORKED WITH A LOT OF POLICE OFFICERS. SEEING THE LOVE AND OUTPOURING FROM THE COMMUNITY IS TOUCHING. IT MAY NOT LOOK LIKE IT. BECAUSE I HAVE A JOB TO DO. BUT I AM VERY MOVED TONIGHT. AND I APPRECIATE EVERYONE OF YOU. I KNOW QUITE A FEW OF YOU, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE

PULLED ME OVER. >>

>> BUT YOU ARE DOING YOUR JOB AND I APPRECIATE IT. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE TONIGHT. I LOVE SEEING EVERYBODY AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING. I WISH THERE WERE ALWAYS BETTER CIRCUMSTANCES FOR HAVING THIS MANY PEOPLE HERE. BUT I APPRECIATE EVERY ONE OF YOU AND WE JUST WANT TO DO OUR JOB AND DO WHAT YOU TELL US TO DO. REALLY.

>> MAYOR, I HAD A COUPLE VERIFICATION QUESTIONS. THE $5000 IS INTENDED TO CATCH UP THE PAST, THE MOTION IS TO BRING

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BACK THE POLICY CHANGE, TO MAKE SURE THAT LIKE, THAT IS THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT TOO, NOT ONLY DOES SHE STILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE SAME INSURANCE BUT WE ARE PAYING THE PREMIUM LIKE WE DO

THE EMPLOYEE. >> THERE IS NO PAYMENT INTO IT

FROM HER. >> LET ME MAKE SURE I AM CLARIFYING. SO THE INTENTION WAS TO NOT ONLY, DOES SHE HAVE THE ACCESS TO THE EMPLOYEE COVERAGE OF THE EMPLOYEE RATE, BUT WE ARE COVERING THAT LIKE WE DO FOR THE EMPLOYEES. FOR THE EMPLOYEES WE PAY 100%. YES OR NO? THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, WE PAY THE ENTIRE AMOUNT. HOLD HIM. I AM ASKING THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY

ATTORNEY. >> THE CURRENT POLICY IS THE EMPLOYEE ONLY IS PAID FOR BY THE CITY AS THE EMPLOYEE BENEFIT. IF THERE IS THE ELECTION TO INCLUDE FAMILY OR SPOUSE OR DEPENDENTS, THEN THAT AMOUNT IS PAID , THE DIFFERENCE AMOUNT IS PAID BY THE

EMPLOYEE. >> OKAY. BUT I WANT THE MOTION TO BE THAT WE COVER THE WHOLE THING.

>> WE COVER EVERYTHING. >> THAT IS THE WAY I UNDERSTAND

IT. >> GREAT, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HEARD YOUR MOTION RIGHT. IT IS NOT JUST FOR POLICE OFFICERS BUT FOR ANY CITY EMPLOYEE THAT DIES ON THE JOB. IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT AMENDMENT. I WANT IT TO BE ANY CITY EMPLOYEE, EVEN IF THEY ARE PARKS OR WHEREVER THEY ARE AT. IF THEY DIE ON THE JOB THEY WILL

BE COVERED TOO. >> YES, BECAUSE HONESTLY WE GAVE RAISES TO THE POLICE ONE TIME IN THE -- DID NOT GET A RAISE AND AT THE TIME THEY SAID THEY ARE NOT AN OFFICER. AND I SAW SOME PRETTY BIG -- RATTLESNAKES. SO TO ME I HOPE NOBODY DIES IN HUTTO AGAIN. BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE WHETHER YOU ARE WORKING ON A PIPE IN THE GROUND, IN 110 DEGREES LAYING ASPHALT, WHATEVER YOU ARE DOING, IT JUST SHOULD NOT BE A CONCERN IN MY MIND. AND I AM SORRY I AM NOT ARTICULATING IT CLEARLY. BUT IF MICHELE WOULD JUST SAY, WE WILL SAY MICHELE TODAY BECAUSE SHE IS THE ONLY ONE BUT IF SHE WANTS THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN AND IT COST $200 A WEEK WITH THE HSA CONTRIBUTION, WE WOULD PAY $200 A WEEK IN THE HSA CONTRIBUTION. IF MICHELE WANTS THE LOW DEDUCTIBLE PLAN THAT IS $1000 A WEEK WITH NO HSA CONTRIBUTION WE WOULD PAY THE $1000 A WEEK FOR THAT. I AM NOT HERE TO TELL A FAMILY WHAT THEY SHOULD AND SHOULD NOT GET FOR THEIR FAMILY.

I AM HERE TO SAY THEY SHOULD GET WHAT THEY NEED AS THEIR TIMES CHANGE AND BASED ON THAT, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE IT HAPPEN BEHIND THE SCENES, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO GET OUT THERE MESSAGE WISE.

>> PERFECT. THAT IS WHAT I WAS HOPING FOR. I THINK THE SACRIFICE THAT AN EMPLOYEE GIVES, THE MAXIMUM SACRIFICE OF THEIR LIFE, THEIR FAMILY SHOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF. I AM 100%

BEHIND THAT. THANK YOU. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. IF POSSIBLE. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT. I AM REALLY BLOWN AWAY BY THE PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR YOU, MISS KELLEY. I AM GLAD THAT THIS WAS ABLE TO BE DEMONSTRATED TONIGHT. I THINK THAT IT SHOWS, I THINK IT WAS TRACY, THE HEART OF HUTTO, AND THAT STUCK WITH ME. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

MISS RENEE, YOUR COMMENT ABOUT PERCEPTION IS REALITY, THAT HIT ME HARD AS WELL. MY AMENDMENT GOING WITH THAT SAME, IN THAT SAME VEIN, MISS KELLEY, YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW YOU DO NOT WANT OR YOU WOULD HOPE THAT THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN TO ANYBODY ELSE. IN THE BOX IS TOUGH TO BE IN. AND WITH THAT, I KNOW LEGISLATION IS KEY IN MAKING SURE THAT THINGS STICK. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD THIS TOPIC ON OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY LIST. FOR LEGISLATION THAT WOULD AUTHORIZE THE USE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS FOR THE PURPOSE OF PAYING BENEFITS FOR THE SPOUSE , IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS OF PUBLIC SERVANTS WHO LOSE THEIR LIFE IN THE LINE OF DUTY.

>> I WILL SECOND THAT. >> I THINK HUTTO CAN LEAD THE STATE IN AN EFFORT LIKE THIS. AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY SIMPLE FOR US TO PUT ON OUR SUBCOMMITTEE. GET LEGISLATION TO OUR LEADERS AND HAVE THEM HOPEFULLY GET THIS BILL IN FRONT OF THE TEXAS LEGISLATION IN THE UPCOMING SESSION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR POWERFUL WORDS. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE AMENDMENT.

>> ON THAT TOPIC I HAVE SPENT MULTIPLE HOURS LOOKING THROUGH THE VARIOUS PERMIT CODE ON THIS. THERE ARE HOLES IN IT. WHERE

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MISUNDERSTANDINGS UNFORTUNATELY ARE POSSIBLE. IN DIFFERENT READINGS OF THE STATUTE ARE POSSIBLE. AND THAT SHOULD BE CORRECTED. AND FIRMED UP. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK ON THIS. I WAS HAVING WORKING TO CONTACT A SENATOR ANYWAY TO LOOK INTO MAKING THIS MORE CLEAR IN THE FUTURE. I AM HAPPY TO DO THAT. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY OBJECTION I CAN JUST ROLL THAT INTO THE MOTION.

>> I APPRECIATE COUNCILMEMBER BRINGING THIS UP. IT IS A GOOD

IDEA. >> I HAD A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION WITH REPRESENTATIVE -- ABOUT THIS. SHE IS TRYING TO GET ON THE INSURANCE COMMITTEE AGAIN THIS YEAR. SHE WAS ON IT LAST SESSION AND IS 100% ENCLOSING ANY LOOPHOLES, 100% BEHIND ANY LANGUAGE THAT IS NECESSARY. SHE IS WILLING TO SPONSOR A LETTER TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IF WE NEED ONE. IF STAFF IS UNCLEAR SHE IS WILLING TO SPONSOR A LETTER TO BE AG, WILLING TO DO WHAT SHE CAN DO TO PUSH THEM THROUGH IN THIS SESSION AND NOT JUST THE FUTURE.

>> AWESOME. OKAY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. I SEE MAYOR HOLLAND, RONNIE, YOU GUYS WERE ON COUNCIL AT THE TIME. THAT WAS A FAR TOUGHER JOB THAN WE HAVE TODAY, FOR SURE. THAT WAS A ROUGH TIME IN THE CITY. I WAS OUT ON ED SCHMIDT AND IT WAS AMAZING HOW THE ENTIRE TOWN SHOWED UP. YOU KNOW, MICHELE, OUR KIDS HAVE GONE TO THE SAME SCHOOL AND MY DAUGHTER HAS BEEN TO YOUR HOUSE MULTIPLE TIMES. WE USUALLY, YOU USUALLY INTERACT WITH MY EX, WE DON'T USUALLY TALK.

>> EXTREMELY SAFE, HEARING, OH, MY DAUGHTER IS OVER AT YOUR HOUSE.

AND NEVER, NEVER, NEVER A HINT OF CONCERN. SO I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT IT CAME TO THIS. I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY COLDNESS OR ANY -- I AM FEELING TO COME UP WITH THE WORDS, BUT ANYTHING HERE THAT DID NOT GO THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD HAVE GONE. IT SHOULD NOT HAVE GONE THIS WAY BUT WE WILL FIX IT. AND WE WILL MAKE THE FIX PERMANENT. AND I APOLOGIZE TO YOU AND I HOPE THAT EVERYTHING GROWS MUCH BETTER IN THE FUTURE. ONE THING I DID LEARN WHEN I TALK TO YOU, THAT I WANT TO CALL OUT HERE, CHIEF YARBOROUGH, YOU HAVE ANOTHER MEMBER OF YOUR FAN CLUB HERE. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I AM REALLY HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE IN YOUR POSITION AND YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU MENDED THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE HUTTO POLICE CHIEF AND THE KELLEY FAMILY. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

VOTE. >>

>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. >>

>> ARE YOU ANNOUNCING IT? >> THANK YOU.

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>> OKAY. WE WILL GET BACK FROM RECESS HERE.

>> I DON'T THINK YOU ARE ON. >> YES WE ARE.

>> YOU CANNOT EVEN OUT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAKE ON THE SAME

SIDE. >> WE ARE BACK FROM RECESS.

8:33. THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS. COUNCIL, JUST GOING ON PUBLIC COMMENT, ON SOME OF OUR ITEMS . TO BRING UP 14.2 NEXT.

>> DO YOU WANT TO READ IT? >>

[14.2 Discussion and possible action directing staff to prepare an Ordinance for parking regulations including but not limited to, parking times, reserved parking and other matters related thereto. (Mike Snyder) ]

>> SO 14.2. NO OBJECTIONS. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION DIRECTING STAFF TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE FOR PARKING REGULATIONS INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PARKING TIMES, RESERVED PARKING AND OTHER MATTERS RELATED THERETO .

>> MAYOR, BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON THAT, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL ACTUALLY. DODDY. SO, THERE IS AN ITEM IN THE PACKET THAT I HAVE A BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP TO, MY LANDLORD, TO BE FRANK. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NOT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR ME TO

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BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION OR VOTE. IF THERE IS, I JUST WANT

TO MAKE SURE. >> YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE TO BE EMPLOYED BY THE PERSON OR GIVE 10% OF YOUR INCOME FROM SOME SORT OF RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PERSON. WAS , OR OWN SOME

INTEREST IN THE REAL ESTATE. >> SO PAYING RENT?

>> ONLY IF YOU GET MONEY, NOT IF YOU ARE PAYING MONEY.

>> I AM DEFINITELY PAYING. THANK YOU. I WANTED VERIFICATION BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.

>> THE FIRST PERSON WE HAVE TO SPEAK IS BRANDY TOWNSEND.

>> AND THEN TO TALK ABOUT PARKING, IT IS A HARD TRANSITION.

>> IT IS EXCITING, TOO. IT IS EXCITING, PARKING.

>> I AM BRANDY TOWNSEND AND I OWN COZY CANNABIS HERE IN HUTTO AND OPENED MY STORE HERE IN HUTTO EIGHT YEARS AGO AND NOW I EXPANDED TO GEORGETOWN AND DOWNTOWN AUSTIN. I AM NOT ANY EXPERT ON BUILDING A CITY OR INFRASTRUCTURE OF ANY OF THAT.

BUT ONE OF MY FAVORITE PARTS OF WHAT I DO IS VISIONARY. AND WHEN I HEAR ABOUT PARKING GARAGES GOING IN OLD TOWN HUTTO, IT JUST MAKES ME SAD. I LOVE THE HISTORICAL BUILDINGS AND THE WAY THAT IT IS SET UP. I LOVE GEORGETOWN, ALSO IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, I LOVE THE SHOPPING EXPERIENCE AND BE EVENT EXPERIENCE WITH RETAIL AND ENTERTAINMENT AND ALL OF THAT.

AND TO BE HONEST NOW THAT I AM IN GEORGETOWN AND DOWNTOWN AUSTIN, HUTTO IS PROFITABLE BUT NOT MY BIG FOCUS. HOWEVER, BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE I STARTED I AM HOPEFUL THERE WILL BE SOME SORT OF EXPERIENCE CREATED LIKE A SQUARE HERE IN HUTTO. I KNOW WE HAVE THE CO-OP GOING ON AND A LOT OF BIG BUSINESS AND BIG RESTAURANTS GOING ON, BUT MY THOUGHTS FOR HISTORICAL IS SMALL BUSINESSES. I HAVE HEARD TWO STORIES OF WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE AND I THINK I WOULD LIKE AND NO OTHER BUSINESSES DOWN THERE, WE JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE VISION IS, WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THAT. I KNOW THERE IS A 20 YEAR PLAN THAT INCLUDES A PARKING GARAGE ON THE LOT WHERE I AM LOCATED. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR LIKE A FIVE YEAR PLAN, ZONING, WHAT TYPES OF BUSINESSES ARE GOING DOWN THERE. AND THEN THAT WAY THINKING COURAGE, OTHER LIKE-MINDED BUSINESSES ENCOURAGED TO GO DOWN THERE, IF WE KNOW GOING FORWARD. EYES TALKED TO MY TEAM, WE ARE A SMALL FOOTPRINT, I ONLY HAVE A FEW PEOPLE COMING IN THROUGHOUT THE DAY. WE HAVE NO ISSUES WITH PARKING. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IT IS THE EVENT SPACE THAT CAN TAKE UP A LOT OF THE PARKING.

MAYBE YOU CAN ENCOURAGE THEM OR INCENTIVIZE THEM TO USE A SHUTTLE SERVICE FOR THEIR EVENTS, SO THEY USE A CO-OP PARKING LOT AND THE SHUTTLE SERVICE. JUST A THOUGHT ON THAT.

AND THEN AS FAR AS PARKING GARAGE ON OUR LOT, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT AS I WALKED AROUND DOWN THERE, THERE IS THE OTHER LOT NORTH, ON E STREET BETWEEN MCCANN AND LIVE OAK. THERE IS THE HOUSE THERE THAT IS UP FOR SALE. THE WHOLE LOT THERE TO ME SEEMS LIKE A BETTER SPACE FOR A PARKING GARAGE. TO LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL PLACES DOWNTOWN AND THEN LOOK ACROSS THE STREET AT A HUGE PARKING GARAGE, IT IS NOT AESTHETICALLY PLEASING FOR ANYBODY. I KNOW THAT WE TALK ABOUT RETAIL BUSINESSES UNDER THE PARKING GARAGE AND THE ONLY WAY THAT I CAN SEE IT INKINGS AND SENDING ATTRACTIVE IS IF THAT WHOLE SIDE OF THE ROAD WERE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, HENRIETTA, ALL OF THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMEWHAT THE SAME AND HAVE THE SAME LOOK AND IT BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE CIRCLED BUILDINGS ON THE OTHER SIDE. I JUST HOPE THAT WE TAKE IN CONSIDERATION WITH THE LONG-TERM PLAN AND VISION IS FOR DOWN THERE FOR WE POP UP A PARKING GARAGE IN THE MIDDLE OF DOWNTOWN HUTTO AND DESTROY THE SMALL-TOWN VIBE AND FEELING WE HAVE IN HUTTO. WE HAVE ENOUGH BIG BUILDINGS GOING UP OVER HERE. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. NEXT, I APOLOGIZE, IS IT -- HERRERA? DID I PRONOUNCE YOUR FIRST NAME RIGHT?

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>> MA'AM, HOW BAD DID I DO? >> HELLO.

>> HELLO. >> I CAME WITH MY FRIENDS. I DON'T KNOW WHY. BUT MY NAME IS -- AND I LIVE ON 100 WILEY STREET. I AM POSING FOR THE A DU, AT 224 BROWN STREET.

>> SHOOT. I MESSED UP. >> THAT IS A DIFFERENT ITEM.

>> OUR MISTAKE. >> I AM LIKE WHY AM I HERE TO

TALK ABOUT PARKING? >> SHE SENT ME OVER HERE.

>> I WILL COME UP HERE FOR THE NEXT ITEM. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

OKAY. I BROUGHT THIS ITEM UP AFTER OUR LAST MEETING. WHAT LED ME TO THE DISCUSSION IN NOVEMBER ABOUT PARKING AND PARKING OPTIONS WHICH THEN LED TO A DISCUSSION FROM 111 EAST AND SOME ISSUES WHEN THEY HAVE EVENTS, A MESSAGE I GOT FROM THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE WORK SESSION WAS THAT THE BUSINESSES NEED TO HANDLE IT THEMSELVES AND FIGURE IT OUT. THEY ARE KIND OF ALREADY DOING THAT. THE PROBLEM IS, THE WAY THEY ARE DOING IT IS NOT ENFORCEABLE BY LAW. SO THE POLICE CHIEF HAS COME DOWN AND HAD VARIOUS CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY CANNOT ENFORCE 30 MINUTE PARKING OR RESERVED PARKING. IN THE PACKET THERE IS SOME PARKING AT 30 MINUTE PARKING AND SOME PARKING THAT IS RESERVED. THE RESERVED PARKING BY COZY CANNABIS ACTUALLY HAS AN AGREEMENT . I AM NOT HERE TO ARGUE IF IT IS LEGAL OR NOT LEGAL. THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT MADE WITH A PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER TO HAVE THOSE PARKING SPOTS RESERVED. IN THE STUDIO HAD RESERVED PARKING. AND NOT BEING FUNNY, THERE IS ALSO THE LETTER WRITTEN BY CITY MANAGER JONES . SINCE THE DIRECTION THAT I GOT FROM COUNCIL WAS BUSINESSES, FIX IT AND COME BACK. THEY ARE DOING IT RIGHT NOW. SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS DIRECT STAFF, MY MOTION IS TO DIRECT STAFF TO BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE TO INCORPORATE THESE RESERVED PARKING SPOTS AND PARKING TIMES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING DONE INTO THE ORDINANCE SO THEY CAN THEN BE ENFORCED WHEN PEOPLE ARE NOT FOLLOWING THEM.

BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. >> WELL, I HAVE SOME LEGAL

QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. >> HOLD HIM. FIRST I NEED TO SEE

IF THERE IS A SECOND. >> I WILL SECOND SO WE CAN

DISCUSS IT. >> ALL RIGHT, T WEISER.

>> EVEN THOUGH YOU SAID THE LEGALITY OR NOT AND DON'T WANT TO WEIGH INTO IT, IT BRINGS UP THE QUESTION HOW CAN YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT FOR PERMANENCE, IF IT CHANGES OWNERSHIP DOES IT CHANGE THE AGREEMENT? HOW LONG, HOW MANY YEARS? CAN IT BE PREPARED TO TO EDDIE? ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED. IF IT WAS DONE BY A CITY MANAGER AND NEVER BROUGHT AS A COUNCIL TO BE PUBLIC, I DO NOT KNOW HOW AN INDIVIDUAL COULD MAKE AN AGREEMENT WITH ANOTHER PRIVATE ON PUBLIC LAND, I.E. THE STREET. GIVING OVER THOSE RIGHTS, IF NOT TAKEN BY COUNCIL ACTION. IT IS PROBABLY AN INVALID AGREEMENT. WHICH WE HAVE KNOWN. TO DO THAT CITY MANAGER THERE WERE A LOT OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST. SO I DO NOT KNOW THAT WE CAN CODIFY ALL OF THEM BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF THEM MAY BE ILLEGAL. MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING BETTER. FOR EVERY GROUP, NOT JUST ONE INDIVIDUAL GROUP THAT GOT A SWEETHEART DEAL

FROM UNDER THE TABLE . I GUESS. >> HOLD HIM. I MEAN, OKAY, ONE, I WAS NOT HERE FOR THE AGREEMENT.

>> I WAS NOT EITHER. >> I DO NOT KNOW IF IT IS A SWEETHEART DEAL. IT MAY HAVE BEEN, IT APPEARS TO BE CONSIDERATION FOR SOMETHING. IF IT IS LEGAL OR NOT I DO NOT KNOW. THE REASON I SAY I AM NOT HERE TO WEIGH IN ON IT IS BECAUSE I HAVE THIS AND WE CAN SAY EITHER WE DON'T KNOW IF IT IS LEGAL OR NOT BUT THE COUNCIL SAID, WHAT I HEARD FROM MULTIPLE PEOPLE, LET THE BUSINESSES FIGURE IT OUT. IT IS NOT A COUNCIL THING TO DO. WE ARE NOT READY. THERE WAS SOME REMARK ABOUT WE ARE NOT THERE FOR THE CITY, WE ARE NOT ALL THAT. SO I AM LIKE OKAY, THEY FIGURE IT OUT. THE OTHER THING IS, I DO NOT KNOW IF IT IS AN UNDERHAND DEAL OR NOT. I SEE SOMETHING SIGNED, YOU ARE RIGHT, WE HAD A TON OF AGREEMENTS THAT MAYBE WERE NOT DONE CORRECTLY. THAT WHENEVER I BRING IT UP IN PUBLIC THAT WE HAD AGREEMENTS NOT DONE RIGHT EVERYONE SAYS I AM GAS LIGHTING AND LYING. I AM TRYING TO SKIP ALL OF THAT, IN A MOMENT, A NIGHT OF SOLIDARITY, TO TRY TO GET ALONG. INSTEAD OF SAYING WE HAD A LOT OF SHADY STUFF HAPPENED HERE AND IT DID

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NOT GO RIGHT, I AM TRYING TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT. MANY PEOPLE HERE DO NOT THINK THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH PARKING DOWNTOWN. HOWEVER, I HAVE BEEN CALLED WHERE BLOWS WERE ALMOST DONE, THIS IS WHAT LED TO IT IN NOVEMBER, POLICE CALLED BUT CANNOT ENFORCE THINGS. PEOPLE FIGHTING AND WE HAVING TWO SITES. TEXTING ME ABOUT PARKING SPOTS. AND I AM LIKE, I FEEL LIKE THERE IS ABOUT TO BE A WAR DOWN THERE. THEN I GET TOLD IN OTHER FORUMS THAT I AM MAKING STUFF UP. WE HAVE PICTURES, I CALL THIS EVIDENCE, THAT BUSINESSES ARE TAKING CARE OF WHERE WE ARE FAILING AS A COUNCIL TO TAKE ACTION. THE BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN ASKED TO STEP UP AND DO IT, THEY ARE CURRENTLY DOING IT. I DO NOT WANT TO GET INTO WHAT DEALS ARE GOOD OR BAD. I JUST WANT TO DO THE COUNCIL ONE, WHICH IS GOING BY WHAT IS RIGHT WITH THE BUSINESS. I IMAGINE OTHER BUSINESSES WILL COME UP AND WANT PARKING SPOTS RESERVED. THERE WILL BE SIGNS ALL UP AND DOWN THERE BECAUSE THAT IS EASIER THAN US GOING OUT HOW TO ADOPT A POLICY. WE DO NOT AGREE THAT THERE IS EVEN AN ISSUE DOWN THERE. WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS THE BUSINESSES TAKE IT ON THEIR OWN AND I AM TRYING TO SUPPORT THEM BY WHAT THEY ARE BASICALLY CODIFYING WHAT THEY ARE ALREADY DOING. SO JUST TO CAUTION ON THE SHADY STUFF. I DO NOT KNOW. I WAS NOT THERE ON THIS ONE.

>> I CANNOT VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION. AT OUR WORKSHOP THE ROOM WAS FULL OF DOWNTOWN HUTTO BUSINESS OWNERS AND RESIDENTS.

WE DID SAY, YOU ARE CORRECT, WE DID SAY THAT WE WANTED THE BUSINESSES TO KIND OF SELF REGULATE AND TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT THEMSELVES. BUT WE ALSO DID ESTABLISH WE WANTED A WORK SESSION WITH THE BUSINESS OWNERS TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK AND DISCUSS. BECAUSE THE ROOM WAS FULL OF BUSINESS OWNERS, RESIDENTS, OF DOWNTOWN, OLD TOWN HUTTO AND THEY WERE NOT GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK INTO SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, MY BUSINESS HAS THIS. PLEASE DON'T TAKE MY PARKING AWAY. THIS IS WHY I NEED IT. OR HEY, WHATEVER THEIR REASONING MAY BE. NOBODY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. AND SO, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WANTED TO ACTUALLY GET INPUT.

UNFORTUNATELY THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO SPEAK THAT EVENING. I THINK WE NEED TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND AT LEAST SPEAK WITH BUSINESS OWNERS, SEE WHERE THEY ARE AT WITH THE COMMUNITY DOWN THERE.

AND IF THEY CAN BRING SOME ITEMS TO US THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY THEN TAKE TWO BRINGING TO AN ORDINANCE, TO ESTABLISH SOME ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS, IN AN ORDINANCE. I WILL BE VOTING

AGAINST THIS. >> I WILL AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING COMING OUT OF THE WORK SESSION, WE WANTED TO MEET WITH THE PUBLIC. I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR CONCERNS WERE, UNDERSTAND IF THEY HAVE ANY SORT OF REMEDIES TO THE PROBLEMS THEY ARE HAVING DOWNTOWN. YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD A PARKING GARAGE BUILT BY A DEVELOPER, BUT, YOU KNOW WE HAVE NOT EVEN BEGUN TO SEE HOW THAT IS GOING TO ALLEVIATE THE PARKING DOWNTOWN. SO I THINK THE BEST WE COULD DO FIRST AND FOREMOST IS TO SIT DOWN. NOT SIT DOWN, BUT AT LEAST HONOR WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO AND LOOK AT SPEAKING WITH

THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN. >> I AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL.

FROM MY RECOLLECTION THE DISCUSSION IN THE WORK SESSION, IT WAS NOT, WE ARE JUST NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING AS A COUNCIL, LET THE BUSINESS OWNERS FIGURE IT OUT. MY RECOMMENDATION WAS THERE IS A DOWNTOWN HUTTO ASSOCIATION AND ALL OF THE BUSINESS OWNER SHOULD BE OR COULD BE MEMBERS OF. MY RECOMMENDATION WAS ALLOW TIME FOR THE BUSINESS OWNERS TO GET TOGETHER, COME UP WITH A COHESIVE RECOMMENDATION AND BRING THE RECOMMENDATION BACK TO COUNCIL. WHETHER THE RECOMMENDATION IS YES, WE WANT DEDICATED PARKING AND HERE IS HOW MANY PARKING SPACES WE THINK EACH SHOULD HAVE, OR WHATEVER IT IS, LIKE TO COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR'S POINT, THEY DID NOT GET THE CHANCE TO SPEAK IN THAT MEETING. A LOT WERE THERE BUT DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK UP AND SHARE OPINIONS. WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT HAVING A PUBLIC MEETING SO THE PUBLIC CAN WEIGH IN AS WELL. THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. NONE OF THIS HAPPENED. I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. I KNEW THAT THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION HAD NOT MET YET AND HAD NOT GIVEN US BRUCKMAN DACIANS. THAT WAS WHAT I WAS WAITING FOR. I WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR THIS, I THINK IF THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION MEETS AND COMES TOGETHER AND WANTS TO BRING A PROPOSAL OF WHAT THEY THINK WOULD WORK FOR THEM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THAT IS WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR AND HOPING FOR. INSTEAD OF US JUST DECIDING, LET'S GO AHEAD AND JUST DECIDE FOR THEM WHAT SPACES WE ARE GOING TO

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RESERVE. PERSONALLY I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF RESERVING SPACES, I THINK SPACES SHOULD BE FIRST-COME, FIRST-SERVED DOWNTOWN. I LOVE THE IDEA OF OFFERING SHUTTLE SERVICE FROM OUR NEW PARKING GARAGE DOWNTOWN FOR 111 EAST. I THINK THAT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY THERE. ANYWAY, I THINK IT IS PREMATURE AND WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE BUSINESSES AS A GROUP. TO COME BACK AND SHARE WITH US WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

>> JUST SO I AM CLEAR, YOU WANT A PUBLIC MEETING ABOUT PARKING.

RIGHT? >> NOT ME. I WANT THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION TO MEET TOGETHER AND BRING US A PROPOSAL. AND POSSIBLY PUBLIC MEETING IF THAT IS ALSO DESIRED.

>> ALL RIGHT.'S OF THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS PEOPLE COME TOGETHER, YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR WHAT THEY ASK FOR ?

>> I AM WILLING TO CONSIDER IT, NOT WILLING TO VOTE FOR WHAT THEY ASK FOR. I WANT TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.

>> OKAY, YOU WOULD LIKE A PUBLIC MEETING, POSSIBLY AFTER THAT, IF NEED BE. IN ADDITION TO THE PUBLIC MEETING WE ARE HAVING RIGHT NOW. A DIFFERENT ONE AFTER WE HAVE HEARD --

>> SURE. IF THAT IS THE WAY YOU WANT TO PROPOSE IT, SURE. I WOULD RATHER, WE ARE SPEAKING ON EMOTION AND NOT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO. I WOULD RATHER VOTE ON THE MOTION AND FIGURE OUT

WHAT WE WANT TO DO. >> MY POINT IS TO UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S VIEWPOINTS. THERE MAY BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN AND MOLD SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT WORKS. INSTEAD OF INSTANTLY SAYING I AM VOTING NO AND OPEN TO IDEAS. THAT IS WHAT, I'M TRYING TO -- PEOPLE HAD IDEAS, THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. CITY MANAGER, IF THIS VOTES NO, I GUESS YOU ALL WILL GO OUT THERE READY SOON AND TAKE ALL THE SIGNAGE DOWN? OR DOES IT STAY UP? CAN YOU TELL US LIKE WHAT HAPPENS TO THE SIGNAGE? IF PEOPLE SAY 30 MINUTE PARKING, WE DO NOT --

>> TECHNICALLY WE SHOULD HAVE REMOVED ALL OF THE SIGNAGE THAT HAS BEEN PUT UP WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION ALREADY. SO WE HAVE NOT BEEN ENFORCING THAT. WAITING FOR THE DECISION TO BE MADE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER ABOUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO FOR DOWNTOWN. SO, THAT IS THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION. WE SHOULD REMOVE IT BECAUSE IT IS NOT ALLOWED. INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CONTROL THE PARKING THAT IS IN THE PUBLIC. THAT HAS BEEN GENERALLY THE WAY THAT INTERPRETATIONS HAVE BEEN AS LONG AS I KNOW. GENERALLY WHEN YOU HAVE AN ISSUE AND SPOTS ARE NOT TURNING OVER OFTEN ENOUGH, LIMITED PARKING DURING CERTAIN HOURS DURING THE DAY FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. THAT IS ACROSS-THE-BOARD AND IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO YOU ARE VISITING OR NOT. SO, DOES THAT HELP ANSWER?

>> I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET TO A RESOLUTION. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING PARKING SINCE NOVEMBER AND EVERY TIME IT COMES UP WE FIND ANOTHER REASON TO EITHER SAVE THE CITY IS JUST NOT ALL THAT AND WE ARE NOT READY FOR IT. THERE IS PLENTY OF PARKING. I WOULD LIKE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO GIVE THEIR INPUT AND WHILE THEY DID NOT GIVE IT UNPAID PARKING, WHICH IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, AND OTHER FORMS OF PAID PARKING, I GUESS WE CAN ASK. I HAVE NO PROBLEM GOING BACK TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND ASKING THEM TO FORMALIZE SOMETHING. BUT AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO DO SOME ACTION UP HERE. IT HAS BEEN FOUR MONTHS. AND WE DO NOT ALL AGREE THERE IS EVEN A PROBLEM WITH PARKING. I HAVE NOT MET A BUSINESS OWNER YET DOWN THERE THAT DOES NOT FEEL THAT WAY. I HAVE MET SOME PEOPLE THAT TAKE PICTURES DURING THE NIGHT OR SOMETHING. THERE IS NO ISSUES.

EVERY TIME I GO DOWN THERE DURING THE DAY I DO NOT MIND WALKING A COUPLE BLOCKS. BUT SOMETIMES TWO OR THREE BLOCKS TO GRAB A SANDWICH IS EXCESSIVE. I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO MOVE AROUND. THE IDEA OF THE COUNCIL IS TO HAVE THE DOWNTOWN HUTTO BUSINESS ASSOCIATION COME BACK, AS LONG AS WE LISTEN TO THEM BUT WE HAVE NOT LISTEN TO THEM PREVIOUSLY.

WE HAVE MADE EXCUSES AS A COUNCIL, I FEEL. AND WE HAVE PUT MORE THINGS ON THEM. THEY KEEP MEETING BUT AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THEM. THEN WE DO HAVE THIS LETTER, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS AT SOME POINT. IF IT IS HEART OF THE OVERALL PARKING STRATEGY, THAT IS PROBABLY ONE WAY. BUT IF WE ARE JUST GOING TO SAY IT IS A SHADY DEAL UNDER THE TABLE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL WORK WELL. I DON'T WANT THAT ISSUE HAPPENING. I WOULD RATHER GO, YOU KNOW WHAT, HOW DO WE FIX DOWNTOWN AND MAKE IT GROW? I DO NOT THINK THAT WE AGREE AS A BODY WE HAVE AN ISSUE DOWN THERE. AND THAT IS WHY MAYOR PRO-TEM GORDON, THIS ITEM IS HERE. AFTER THE LAST MEETING IT WAS JUST BUSINESS PEOPLE

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FIGURING IT OUT AND COMING BACK TO US.

>> AND THEY HAVE NOT COME BACK TO US AND HAVE NOT FIGURED IT OUT SO I PUT IT ON THE AGENDA? I'M SORRY. I DON'T WANT TO

INTERRUPT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CITY MANAGER BECAUSE THE CHIEF IS NOT HERE. WHAT IS THE PD PERSONNEL NEEDED FOR THIS? ALSO, IS THIS MORE OF A COMPLAINT DRIVEN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD BE ENFORCEABLE BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? OR WOULD IT BE SOMETHING, SOMETHING AN OFFICER

WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR? >> SO, IT DEPENDS ON WHICH DIRECTION THE COUNCIL ELECTS TO GO. IF THE COUNCIL ELECTS TO DIRECT STAFF TO ERECT SIGNS THAT MIRROR WHAT THE BUSINESSES ARE CURRENTLY DOING AND RESTRICTING TO THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES DURING THE TIMES THEY HAVE, THAT WOULD BE IN THE FORM OF AN ORDINANCE, WHAT WE WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE PD TO ENFORCE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. THE NEXT HURDLE YOU HAVE TO OVERCOME HIS UNDERSTANDING THAT JUST BECAUSE THE BUSINESS CALLS AND SAYS HEY, THEY HAVE BEEN THERE AN HOUR AND IT SAYS 30 MINUTES, THE POLICE OFFICERS THEMSELVES HAVE TO ACTUALLY WITNESS IT BEING THERE LONGER THAN THE POSTED TIME. SO YOU WOULD EITHER HAVE TO HAVE A PERSONNEL DEDICATED TO BEING DOWNTOWN, IF YOU WANTED TO BE MONITORED AND ENFORCED RAPIDLY. OR, THE CALL WOULD HAVE TO COME IN, PD WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT AND PUT ICE ON THE VEHICLE AND WAIT FOR THE TIME POSTED TO PASS BEFORE THEY COULD ISSUE THE CITATION. THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT. SO THAT IS BASICALLY THE ANSWER. EVEN IF YOU JUST ELECTED THAT HEY, ALL OF DOWNTOWN IS GOING TO BE TWO HOUR PARKING FOR THESE HOURS, YOU STILL HAVE THAT SAME PROBLEM. SO, ONCE A VEHICLE SAT THERE TOO LONG OR IT DID NOT GO TO THE BUSINESS THAT YOU SAID IT HAD TO GO TO, IF THAT IS WHAT YOU SAID IT DID. THE PD WOULD HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR THE ENTIRE AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE THEY COULD ISSUE THE CITATION. I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE TOWING OR JUST CITATIONS. THAT IS ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER TOO.

>> ARE YOU OKAY IF WE TABLE THE ITEM UNTIL MARCH 6? TO GIVE TIME FOR THE DB HA TO COME UP WITH THEIR FINDINGS?

>> I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT. THERE ARE A FEW THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO STATE TONIGHT THOUGH. I WOULD BE FINE.

>> SURE. >> OKAY, I WANT TO ADDRESS PARKING GARAGES. IT HAS BEEN MENTIONED A COUPLE TIMES IN TWO EFFERENT CONTEXT. FIRST, THE PARKING GARAGE HERE IS NOT THE CITY'S PARKING GARAGE TO ASSIGN. SO WE COULD TELL THE EVENT PEOPLE TO TALK TO THE -- PEOPLE AND SEE IF THEY CAN WORK OUT A DEAL BUT WE CANNOT OFFER IT AS A SOLUTION FOR ANYTHING BECAUSE IT IS NOT OURS. DURING THE DAY, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, THAT IS POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE A FAIRLY FULL GARAGE. NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS MAY BE MORE ROOM. BUT STILL IT IS A GARAGE FOR THE CO-OP DEVELOPMENT AND NOT ONE THAT THEY INTENDED TO SERVE DOWNTOWN IN GENERAL. WE CAN TELL PEOPLE TO ASK BUT CANNOT OFFER IT UP AS A RESOURCE. INTO THE CONCERN OF THE PARKING GARAGE 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT THAT DOCUMENT IS.

THAT WAS, WHAT DO WE THINK DOWNTOWN MIGHT LOOK LIKE 20 YEARS FROM NOW? WHAT ARE SOME IDEAS FOR HOW YOU COULD DEVELOP VACANT LAND OR REDEVELOP LAND THAT MIGHT NOT BE IDEAL? THE CONSULTANTS JUST WENT AND PICKED LOTS. THEY DID NOT TALK TO PEOPLE. THEY DO NOT TALK TO LANDOWNERS. THEY PICKED AND THEY DREW THINGS AND SAID HERE IS AN IDEA AND ANOTHER IDEA. SO I WOULD NOT CONSIDER IT A CITY PLAN TO PUT A PARKING GARAGE RIGHT THERE. IT IS JUST A CONCEPT OF, WE COULD USE PARKING DOWNTOWN. SO THAT IS WHEN IDEA OF HOW YOU MIGHT DO IT. DON'T WORRY TOO MUCH THAT WE ARE PLANNING ON STEALING SOMEONE'S PROPERTY ENTERING A PARKING GARAGE ON IT IN A COUPLE YEARS.

THAT IS NOT THE WAY THE SHOULD WORK OR ANYTHING. IT IS NOT THAT KIND OF PLAN BUT JUST A CONCEPT, PIE IN THE SKY THING THAT HOPEFULLY WE COULD MAKE SOME OF THOSE THINGS HAPPEN IN SOME WAY OR FORM. BUT PROBABLY NOT EXACTLY WHAT IS ON THOSE PAGES FOR ANY OF THOSE. JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. AND AS FAR AS THIS GOES, I AM FINE WITH BRINGING THE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION . I DO NOT THINK A BUSINESS SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO JOIN SOMEBODY ELSE'S ASSOCIATION TO HAVE THEIR CONCERNS HEARD AND DEALT WITH AS WELL. ALTHOUGH IT MIGHT BE NICE FOR THEM TO JOIN AND THERE MIGHT BE BENEFITS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT TO COME HERE AND THEY SHOULD ALL BE INVITED TO COME HERE AND TALK PARKING CONCERNS. WHETHER THEY WANT TO DO THAT WITH THE ASSOCIATION OR THEY EITHER DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE ASSOCIATION OR DISAGREE WITH THE ASSOCIATION'S PLANS, I STILL WANT THEM TO COME AND TALK TO US AND TELL US THEIR THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS. I AM NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT THE PROPERTY THAT HAS THE LETTER, THE AGREEMENT. BUT THE OTHER BUSINESSES, WE CANNOT HAVE BUSINESSES JUST PUTTING UP SIGNS WITHOUT ANY ORDINANCE BEHIND IT.

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>> SOUNDS LIKE PETER ASKING TO HEAR FROM THE DOWNTOWN HUTTO BUSINESS ASSOCIATION, DAN WANTS TO HEAR FROM THOSE WHO MAY NOT WANT TO ASSOCIATE WITH THE DOWNTOWN HUTTO BUSINESS ASSOCIATION , COULD WE STILL SET, AT THE RISK OF BEING HERE ON ANOTHER SATURDAY, COULD WE HAVE A WORKSHOP OR DO SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN ELICIT COMMENT? IT'S HARD TO GET IN FRONT OF PEOPLE SOMETIMES, ESPECIALLY BUSINESS OWNERS WHO ARE TOO BUSY WORKING. THERE'S NOT MANY OF THEM HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY ARE PROBABLY WORKING OR AT HOME DOING BILLS BECAUSE THEY JUST GOT DONE WORKING OR WHATEVER. I THINK WE DO NEED TO HEAR FROM THEM AS A WHOLE, BOTH THE ORGANIZATION AND INDIVIDUALS. I DON'T KNOW THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT . UNLESS YOU TALK TO US OUT IN PUBLIC IT'S HARD TO ACTUALLY SAY WHAT YOU WANT BECAUSE WE DON'T LET YOU. YOU GET PUBLIC COMMENT AND THAT'S IT. WE DO NEED TO HEAR FROM THEM BUT ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN QUICKLY AND I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING FOR MIKE, WHICH I APPRECIATE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH THAT. JUST MY THOUGHTS.

>> I GUESS FOR SOME CLARIFICATION, ARE YOU STILL THE PRESIDENT OF THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION, OR DO YOU

KNOW WHO IS? >> I'M STILL A MEMBER OF THE

DHBA, YES. >> DO THEY MEET REGULARLY?

>> THE BOARD MEMBERS DO. >> BUT NOT ALL THE MEMBERS.

>> THERE'S NO MEMBERS. IT'S JUST THE BOARD.

>> THEY ARE JUST LIKE OFFICERS? >> IT'S NOT AS ORGANIZED BUT--

>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY'VE MET A FEW TIMES --

>> MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE DONE MORE RESEARCH .

>> I CAN EXPLAIN BECAUSE I WAS THERE. THE BOARD MEETS TOGETHER TO DISCUSS THINGS. YOU TWO WERE INSTRUMENTAL GETTING THAT STARTED WHAT, TWO YEARS AGO OR LONGER PROBABLY. SO IT HAS GONE THROUGH SOME PHASES. BUSINESS OWNERS ARE BUSY SO IT'S HARD TO GET TOGETHER AND IT'S HARDER TO GET EVERYONE TOGETHER BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S WORKING. I THINK GIVING THEM TIME , HAVING THE BUSINESS OWNERS TIME TO TALK TO EACH OTHER IS IMPORTANT . THE BOARD IS TRYING TO GET AN OFFICIAL MEETING AT SOME POINT IN TIME TO GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE THESE GUYS WORK A LOT. LIKE , WAY MORE THAN ANY OF US.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ALL THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS, NOT JUST BUSINESS OWNERS BUT THOSE WHO OWN PROPERTY, KIND OF GET TOGETHER AND TELL US.

WHETHER THAT IS IN A MEETING OR WE HAVE TO HAVE A SET TIME ON SATURDAY WHERE THEY CAN COME, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEM AS A GROUP KIND OF COALESCE AND SAY WHAT DO WE THINK WE WANT TO DO ? WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AMONGST OURSELVES AND THIS IS WHAT THEY THINK . AND THEY MAY ALL AGREE BUT FOR ME THIS IS KIND OF WHAT I ENVISIONED FROM THE WORK SESSION HAPPENING SO THEY COULD COME AND SAY HERE'S ALL THE THOUGHTS AND IDEAS AND HERE'S WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO DO. I DISAGREE. I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR FOUR MONTHS. I THINK IT WAS ORIGINALLY SUGGESTED TO BE PUT ON AN AGENDA BACK IN NOVEMBER BUT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS LESS THAN A MONTH. I THINK IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE AND I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THERE ARE PARKING ISSUES DOWNTOWN. I WENT DOWNTOWN YESTERDAY TO GET LUNCH AND I COULDN'T PARK THERE. SO, IT IS AN ISSUE AND IT DEPENDS ON THE TIME OF DAY AND WHEN YOU GO THERE SO I DON'T DISAGREE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BUT LET'S GET EVERYONE'S INPUT.

>> CITY MANAGER, DO WE HAVE A SMALL BUSINESS LEAD IN THE ADC

DEPARTMENT? >> WE DO NOT HAVE A SMALL BUSINESS -- A LEAD GENERATOR? OR LIKE AN EMPLOYEE? WE HAVE

BUSINESS RETENTION, YES. >> I REMEMBER THAT SMALL BUSINESS FELLOWSHIP . IS THAT NOT SOMETHING WHERE WE COULD, IF COUNCIL WANTED TO ASSIGN THAT TO THAT PERSON TO GO DOWN TO THE SMALL BUSINESSES , I DON'T KNOW, CRAFT A SURVEY OR

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SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN GET FEEDBACK FROM BUSINESS OWNERS? I DO UNDERSTAND THE CONUNDRUM WHERE THEY ARE WORKING SO WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET THEM. IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CRAFT SOME SORT OF SURVEY WHERE WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE DEPARTMENT GO DOWN AND GET THAT INFORMATION, GET THAT FEEDBACK BACK, THEN WE LOOK THAT OVER AND WE--

>> COUNCILMEMBER, AS A MATTER OF FACT, AND COUNCIL TELL ME IF THIS IS IN LINE WITH WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS WERE FROM THE WORKSHOP AND WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT , THE PLAN IS TO HAVE A PARKING AND A ONE-WAY STREET TOPIC IN AN OPEN HOUSE FORMAT ON FEBRUARY 25 . AND THEN THEY ARE ALSO-- THEY, THAT'S OMINOUS. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ENGINEERING , COMMUNICATIONS ARE WORKING ON ADDING AN ONLINE SURVEY ASPECT SO THAT WE PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND OR WHO OTHERWISE WOULD WANT TO EXPRESS AN OPINION CAN DO SO. IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT TIMELINE OR WE NEED MORE TIME OR A BIGGER DEAL OF IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE CAN PIVOT THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE CURRENT PLAN WAS BASED OFF OF THE WORKSHOP OUTCOME OF DIRECTING STAFF TO SET UP, I GUESS, LIKE A TOWN HALL.

>> I LIKE IT. >> PIGGYBACKING OFF THE COMMENTS ABOUT SOLICITING INFORMATION , I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT CITY STAFF TO NOTIFY ALL DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES BY FEBRUARY 10 THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ADDRESSING PARKING ISSUES THAT THEY SHOULD REMOVE ANY PARKING SIGNAGE BY MARCH 1 AND ALSO DIRECT CITY STAFF TO SOLICIT INFORMATION AND FEEDBACK FROM THOSE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES ONCE THEY ARE NOTIFIED ON ANY COMMENTS SO THAT -- AND I WILL SEE IF I GET A SECOND.

>> I WILL SECOND THAT. >> IF WE DIRECT STAFF TO NOTIFY THEM THAT WE ARE GOING TO START FROM A CLEAN SLATE OF, THIS IS PUBLIC ROAD , THE CITY 'S DOMAIN , WE ARE GOING TO IDENTIFY THEM SO THEY ARE AWARE BY MONDAY THAT MARCH 1 IS GOING TO BE A CLEAN SLATE . FROM THERE WE WILL BE SOLICITING THAT INFORMATION. WE WILL HAVE THE WORKSHOP IN OUR HANDS AND FROM THERE WE CAN BUILD ON THAT AND DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH AN ORDINANCE ON THE FEEDBACK FROM THE 25TH WORKSHOP AS WELL AS ANY INFORMATION THAT STUFF GETS BACK. THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING

WITH THAT. >> I CAN'T REALLY SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE WE ARE TAKING SOMETHING AWAY BEFORE WE HAVE AN ANSWER .

WE ARE REACHING OUT TO ONLY BUSINESSES. I THINK PROPERTY

OWNERS-- >> BUSINESSES AND PROPERTY

OWNERS. >> THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT-- THEY ARE GOING TO BE TIMES WHEN A BUSINESS HAS ONE OPINION-- IF YOU GUYS ARE DOING SURVEYS I WOULD RECOMMEND, I'M NOT SAYING PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE ALL THE SAY BUT THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ON THE PROPERTY SO WHEN YOU START TAKING AWAY PARKING ARE PUTTING IN REGULATIONS , WANTING TO TAKE AWAY AND CHANGE ANYTHING UNTIL WE HAVE SOME KIND OF SOLUTION BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT MAY BE NEXT NOVEMBER BEFORE WE FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION BEFORE WE ADJUST STUFF.

>> I WOULD IMAGINE THE SURVEY TO BE OPEN TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO RESPOND TO IT. DOES THAT THEN IN TURN MEAN YOU WANT US TO PUT A QUANTIFIER INTO YOUR SURVEY TO INDICATE IF YOU ARE A PROPERTY OWNER OR A BUSINESS OWNER? SPECIFICALLY SO WE CAN PULL OUT THOSE RESPONSES TO SEE IF THEY ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT MAY BE PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A VESTED INTEREST--

>> A PROPERTY OWNER MAY BE MORE LONG-TERM THINKING THAT A BUSINESS OWNER. EVERY THREE YEARS IS WHEN THE LEASE IS UP IN A PROPERTY OWNERS THINKING 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. I DON'T KNOW UNLESS YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. WE COULD PROBABLY LOOK AT THEM. MAYBE SIX PEOPLE DOWNTOWN AND WOULD BE HARD TO GO

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THROUGH THE RESPONSES AND SAY WHO IS AN OWNER AND WHO IS NOT.

AS LONG AS WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS WE CAN GO BACK AND REPORT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT-- TAKE IT MORE SERIOUSLY AND PUT DEADLINES IN. IF WE DON'T HAVE DEADLINES WE ALL

KNOW WHAT HAPPENS. >> ALSO AS PART OF THIS I WOULD LIKE THE MEMO RELATING TO THE LETTER.

>> WHAT'S THE LEGAL QUESTION ?

>> IS IT EVEN VALID TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT AS AN AGREEMENT?

IT'S JUST A LETTER. >> JUST UNDER THE TABLE.

>> NO, IT'S NOT-- CLEARLY IT'S FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY BUT YOU CAN CONDEMN IT FOR PUBLIC GOOD IN THE DOMAIN AND THERE ARE ALL THESE OTHER CONCESSIONS GIVEN FOR THAT SAME AMOUNT AND WE DIDN'T DO IT FOR ANY OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS DOWN THERE.

>> WE MAY HAVE MORE OF THESE. >> I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE A PAPER, WE HAVE LOTS OF

THINGS WHERE IT'S LIKE-- >> WE WILL PROVIDE A MEMO.

>> DID WE PROPERLY DISPOSE OF THE FIRST? DID YOU SEND IT? I

DIDN'T THINK SO. >> THERE WAS A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE SUGGESTION OF A TABLE AND THEN A SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON.

>> THAT'S OKAY. I WILL JUST RESCIND MY MOTION TO TABLE. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR , SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. ANY DISCUSSION?

>> WOULD YOU MIND REPEATING IT FOR ME?

>> BUSINESSES AND PROPERTY OWNERS BY FEBRUARY 10 . THREE DAYS THAT CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ADDRESSING PARKING ISSUES AND THEN BY MARCH 1 HAVE SIGNAGE REMOVE FOR ALL THE PARKING SPOTS AND THE LETTERS TO SOLICIT FEEDBACK FROM PROPERTY OWNERS.

>> FOR CLARIFICATION DOES IT INCLUDE THE FEBRUARY 25 THING

LIKE AS A NOTIFICATION? >> WE CAN NOTIFY THEM .

>> IT COULD BE UNSET . THAT'S HOW THOSE THINGS CAN WORK .

>> NOTIFY THEM THAT FEBRUARY IS THE MONTH OF PARKING.

>> AND YOU HAVE LEGAL ANALYSIS ON THIS LETTER BY THE 10TH WHEN THE LETTER GOES OUT SO WE DON'T TELL SOMEONE THEY HAVE TO REVIEW

STUFF BEFORE THEY-- >> I DON'T KNOW IF SHE CAN GET

IT THAT QUICK. >> I JUST WANT TO NOTIFY THEM IN ADVANCE. I DON'T KNOW HOW QUICK OF A TURNAROUND.

>> I WOULD SAY BY THE 14TH . >> NOTIFY THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS BY FEBRUARY 14.

>> THAT SHOULD GIVE TIME TO GIVE--

>> 14TH IS THE DEADLINE FOR LEGAL?

>> 14TH IS WHEN WE WANTED TO NOTIFY THE PEOPLE PRIOR TO THAT DATE BECAUSE I THINK THE 10TH MIGHT BE TOO FAST FOR YOU. THAT

WILL ESSENTIALLY BE TOMORROW . >> YOU WANT THEM TO BE NOTIFIED THAT SIGNAGE HAS TO BE DOWN BY MARCH 1?

>> AND THAT THERE IS A PUBLIC SHOP ON THE 25TH AS, I GUESS, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO YOUR MOTION .

>> DISCUSSION ON THIS QUESTION? HEARING NONE PLEASE CALL THE

VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? I.

COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD ? I. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? I. MAYOR SNYDER? NAY. COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? COUNCIL

MEMBER COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? >> MOTION PASSES .

>> AND I JUST ASK THAT AT THE TOWN HALL THERE IS A MIXTURE OF PEOPLE AND THERE WILL BE SOME BUSINESSPEOPLE WHO REALLY ONLY CARE ABOUT THE PARKING. THEY ARE REALLY ONLY THERE FOR THE ONE-WAY STREETS AND SOME WHO ARE THERE FOR BOTH IN BOTH CATEGORIES PROBABLY BUT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A PRESENTATION, WE HAVE STAFF WHO ARE KIND OF THEIR FOR THE PARKING SO THAT THOSE PEOPLE CAN GET IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION .

>> I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. WE CAN TAKE STAFF TABLES-- I ASSUME IT'S HERE. REARRANGE THE SPACE TO WHERE WE USHER PEOPLE TO THE SIDE WHERE THEY ARE MOST INTERESTED .

[10.3 Conduct a public hearing and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2025-009 for a proposed Specific Use Permit request for the property known as 224 Brown Street, to allow an accessory dwelling unit in the SF-1 (Single-Family) zoning district. (Ashley Bailey) ]

>> THANKS. >> NO OBJECTIONS WE WILL GO TO ITEM 10.3. HEARING NONE WE HAVE ITEM 10.3, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND PUBLIC ACTION FOR A PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IN ONE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING

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DISTRICT. >> BEFORE OR AFTER THE

PRESENTATION? >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL . FOR THE RECORD, ASHLEY BAILEY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. THIS ITEM IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT LOCATED WITHIN THE HUTTO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD AT 224 BROWN ST.

THIS STARTED AS A CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATION THAT WAS CALLED IN AND THE LOT MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE BUT THERE IS A LITTLE MORE TO THIS. THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST STEP IN BEING ABLE TO CLEAR THE VIOLATIONS THEY CURRENTLY HAVE ON SITE, THE MAIN ONE BEING THAT THEY HAVE CONSTRUCTED SEVERAL THINGS WITHOUT PERMITS. THE REASON WE ARE BRINGING IT FORWARD IS BECAUSE WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT IF THE USE WILL BE ALLOWED FOR THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT OR IF NOT, THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THE GHOST OF THE-- AND IN GETTING PERMITS THEY WILL HAVE TO TAKE THINGS OUT OF THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SO THAT IT IS NOT CONSIDERED THAT ACCESSORY DWELLING. WITH THAT, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED SF-1 AND MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, BUT THEY NEED TO HAVE AN STP POTENTIALLY IMPROVED TO THEN BE ABLE TO MOVE TO THAT ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT STAFF BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF CONCRETE CURRENTLY IN THE BACKYARD. YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP AND ALSO IN YOUR PACKET, A GARAGE REMODEL WHERE THEY ENCLOSED THEIR GARAGE AND THEY HAVE A GUEST HOUSE AND A SHED AND A PAVILION BUT A MUCH LARGER CONCRETE PATIO . ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT AS WELL, IS IF THIS CHANGES THE DRAINAGE AND WHAT THAT ACTUALLY DOES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACT ON THEIR NEIGHBORS. ALSO IN YOUR PACKET IS CODE LANGUAGE ON WHAT AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS AND HOW STUFF HAS TO REVIEW IT . IT MEETS THE 7800 FT.÷ BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY WHICH IS WHY WE DO HAVE A FEW MORE CONCERNS. YOU CAN SEE THE GARAGE REMODELING HAPPENED BACK IN 2009. THE HOUSE EXTENSION HAPPENED IN 2010 AND THE GUESTHOUSE ALSO HAPPENED IN 2010. WE HAD FLAT WORK THAT HAPPENED IN 21 AND A GAZEBO IN 22. THE ONLY THING ON THE LIST THAT WOULD NOT HAVE MADE IT PERMANENT IS THAT GAZEBO. HERE ARE PICTURES THAT WERE PROVIDED . LOOKING TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE HOUSE FROM THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY . JUST A FEW MORE SO YOU CAN SEE THE AMOUNT OF CONCRETE THAT HAS BEEN PUT BACK THERE. YOU CAN SEE THE SMALLER ADU BACK THERE . THE REQUEST TO REPROVE THE ADU DOES ALIGN WITH 20/40. WE HAD A SIMILAR ITEM COME FORWARD A FEW WEEKS AGO BECAUSE THIS INTEGRATES THE MISSING MIDDLE. THE PROBLEM WE ARE HAVING IS THAT IN REVIEWING THIS REQUEST AND LOOKING AT ALL THE CONSIDERATION OF THE BUILDINGS ON SITE, ALL OF THIS HAPPENING WITHOUT PERMITS , THE OTHER HOME EXPANSION, STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THIS REQUEST. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ALSO RECOMMEND DENIAL. THIS USE IS ONLY ONE ASPECT. THEY DO HAVE OTHER STEPS WE HAVE TO TAKE AS THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT BUT HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN HAPPEN WITH THAT BUILDING BEFORE WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT IF THE BUILDING HAS TO CHANGE MORE OR WHAT ELSE THE OPTIONS ARE TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. WITH THAT, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE SOMEONE SIGNED UP, AND YOU HAVE SEVERAL RESPONSES IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL IN OPPOSITION. I THINK THERE WAS ONE IN FAVOR.

THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE AND I HAVE A STAFF MEMBER--.

>> THANK YOU. WITH THAT I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:18. I WILL CALL THE PEOPLE UP TO PUT IN FORMS AND AFTER THAT ANYBODY ELSE WHETHER YOU PUT IN A COMMENT CARD OR NOT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO COME UP. FIRST WE HAVE READ GUERRERA. DID I DO

THAT BETTER THIS TIME? >> I JUST HAVE A FEW WORDS,

THAT'S ALL. >> OKAY. WELCOME.

>> SO, I LIVE IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD AND I LIVE ON 100 WILEY ST. AND I LIVE ON 100 WILEY ST. I OPPOSE OF 10.3 ADU AT 24 BROWN ST. AT 24 BROWN ST. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THE STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY?

>> OPPOSING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT-- DOES THAT--

>> IT MEANS YOU ARE AGAINST IT. >> THANK YOU.

>> NEXT WE HAVE BLANCHE A . >> THAT IS MY NEIGHBOR. SHE WAS

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SUPPOSED TO GO AFTER ME AND THEN SAY DITTO.

>> WE MESS UP ORDERS OF THINGS.

>> HI, MY NAME IS BLANCA AND I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER AT 222 PHILLIPS. I'M HERE TO VOICE MY OPPOSITION TO THE ORDINANCE ALLOWING THIS HOMEOWNER TO HAVE AN UNPERMITTED ADU. CONCERN IS NOT JUST WITH THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION BUT THE LONG-TERM IMPLICATIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. I'VE BEEN IN THE PROPERTY TAX INDUSTRY FOR 17 YEARS HAVING BOTH PERSONAL AND RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES SO I HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING REGARDING CONSTRUCTION MARKET VALUE AND HOUSING. FIRST AND FOREMOST, THIS HOMEOWNER HAD BUILT AND ADU SINCE 2010 WITHOUT ANY PROPER PERMITS OR OBTAINING APPROVAL FROM OUR HOA. OUR HOA REQUIRES HOMEOWNERS TO SUBMIT THESE PERMITS TO OBTAIN HOA APPROVAL FIRST. PERMITS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL CONSTRUCTION TO ENSURE SAFETY, ADHERENCE TO BUILDING CODES AND PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE INCLUDING PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL AND STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY. THE MATTER THE SIZE WITH A PURPOSE, SAFETY MUST COME FIRST. SURVEY THAT THE HOMEOWNER SUBMITTED SHOWING UP ON THE SCREEN IS STATED TO BE A ONE STORY RESIDENCE. THIS RESIDENCE IS IN FACT A TWO- STORY RESIDENCE WITH A ONE STORY ADDITION ADDED TO THE BACK AGAIN PROBABLY WITHOUT A PERMIT. IF WE MAKE AN EXCEPTION WE RISK OPENING THE DOOR FOR EVERY INVESTOR WITH LARGE LOTS TO BYPASS THE PROPER CHANNELS AND BUILD UNAPPROVED UNITS. THIS IS ALREADY A CONCERN IN AUSTIN WHERE UNCHECKED DEVELOP AND HAS LED TO CHAOS, OVERCROWDING AND SIGNIFICANT STRAIN ON UTILITIES, SEWER SYSTEM AND HOUSING AFFORDABILITY. WE CANNOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN HERE. AS OTHER OPPOSED HOMEOWNERS HAVE STATED IT WILL ALSO CREATE PARKING ISSUES AND TRAFFIC CONGESTION. THIS MOTHER-IN-LAW A RENTAL UNIT RAISES SAFETY QUESTIONS AND IS IN VIOLATION OF SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. ACCORDING TO THE SURVEY THE ONE STORY ADDITION IS A FULL 2' BEHIND THE SETBACK WHICH I KNOW THE CITY WOULD NOT APPROVE. THERE'S NO WAY TO STRUCTURE COULD HAVE BEEN LEGALLY CONNECTED TO THE CITY SEWER WITHOUT PROPER PERMITS AND INSPECTION. DID HE TAP INTO THE WATER SYSTEM WITHOUT ANYONE KNOWING? DID HE PAY A FEE? PROBABLY NOT. WHO EVEN GAVE HIM APPROVAL FOR THIS EXTENSION? ACCORDING TO THE SURVEY, IT LOOKS TO BE 5' OVER THE BUILDING LINE. WHEN I PERMITTED FOR MY PATIO THEY MADE ME MOVE MY COLUMN 6 " AS IT CANNOT BE OVER THE EASEMENT. HE HAS YET TO PROVE IF IT EVEN IS OCCUPANCY WORTHY AND NOT AN ELECTRICAL DEATHTRAP OR FIRE HAZARD. FOR THESE REASONS I URGE CITY COUNCIL TO VOTE NO ON THIS ORDINANCE. IT'S CRUCIAL WE HOLD ALL PROPERTY OWNERS ACCOUNTABLE AND UPHOLD OUR ZONING AND BUILDING CODES. A STRONG MESSAGE NEEDS TO BE SENT OR THIS HOMEOWNER AND OTHERS WILL DO THE SAME. ALLOWING THIS UNPERMITTED ADU TO REMAIN OR BE GRANDFATHERED IN WOULD SET A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT AND UNDERMINE THE INTEGRITY OF OUR COMMUNITY. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION I SAW VOTED AGAINST AND I HOPE YOU DO THE

SAME. APPRECIATE YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANY OTHER MEMBERS FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHED TO SPEAK ON THIS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO ONE ELSE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:23. OPEN IT UP FOR COUNCIL QUESTIONS OR ACTION.

>> IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT NOT JUST THE -- IT EXCEEDS NOT JUST THE BACK SETBACK LINE BUT THERE'S CONCRETE OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT ALSO HAS TO HAVE A 5 FOOT SETBACK ON THE SIDE PROPERTY. THIS WHOLE THING WAS NOT PERMITTED, IT'S NOT BUILT CORRECTLY, IT'S NOT BUILT TO CODE, IT'S UNACCEPTABLE SO I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPLICANT AS PRESENTED.

>> SECOND. >> DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION?

>> YEAH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY WE'VE HAD ADUS BEFORE THE COUNCIL , MAYBE JUST LAST MONTH , AND THIS WAS A LOT SIMILAR SIZE AND THEY WERE REQUESTING PROPER PERMITTING BEFORE THEY BUILT. SO THEY WENT THROUGH -- THEY ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS. OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE STILL IN THE WORKS OF GETTING THOSE PERMITS ACHIEVED, AND I FOUGHT VERY HARD WHEN OTHERS DID WANT TO DENY THAT. I FOUGHT VERY HARD FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE IT IS THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY TO MAKE THESE CHANGES SO LONG AS THEY FOLLOW ORDINANCES AND PERMITTING . UNFORTUNATELY HERE IN THIS SITUATION WE HAVE THE OPPOSITE SCENARIO AND THE STRUCTURE HAS BEEN COMPLETED WITHOUT PROPER PERMITTING. THAT DOES NOT MEET CODE, SO THAT IS KIND OF WHERE

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I'M AT WITH THINGS AS THESE ADUS ARE COMING BEFORE COUNCIL.

>> THANK YOU FOR GETTING ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND MAKING IT SO CLEAR FOR US. THANK YOU TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD FOR REVIEWING THIS AND PROVIDING THE RECOMMENDATIONS. LIKE COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR, I THINK LAST MONTH WE DID APPROVE AND ADU BUT THAT WAS PRIOR TO COMING AND STARTING CONSTRUCTION . THIS WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT IT IS IN VIOLATION OF AS WELL AS THE EASEMENT, OR WITHIN THE PROPERTY EASEMENT , I JUST WISH THIS WOULD'VE COME BEFORE BUILDING STARTED . BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU ASHLEY AND YOUR TEAM FOR YOUR WORK AND THE PNC BOARD -- THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, AS WELL.

>> I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION. IF WE VOTE NO OF THE PICTURE THAT IS UP THERE NOW, WHAT GETS TORN DOWN AND WHAT HAS TO BE REMOVED WITH A NO VOTE ASSUMING NO OTHER THINGS COME BEFORE US?

>> STAFF WILL HAVE TO TAKE THIS OVER TO ZBA SO WE HAVE A STEP KNOWING THAT THIS CANNOT BE AND ADU. WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT HIS MEETING THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS, WHAT VARIANCES WOULD THEY NEED TO REQUEST TO KEEP JUST THE STRUCTURE AS A STORAGE BUILDING. WHAT WOULD THEY NEED TO REQUEST BECAUSE OF LOT COVERAGE. WE HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH AND FIND THE DRAINAGE PLANS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY APPROVED WHEN THAT WAS BUILT SO THAT WE KNOW THAT EACH OF THOSE LOTS ONLY HAS SO MUCH IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE FOR DRAINAGE PLANS SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE HOW MUCH IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE AND WHAT THE VARIANCE WOULD BE THAT THEY NEED TO REQUEST. WE WOULD ALSO STILL HAVE TO GET INTO ALL OF THE PERMITTING AS WELL. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE DISCUSSION AS THIS-- OF THIS BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF EXTERIOR STRUCTURES AND ADDITIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT .

AS YOU MAY RECALL AS WELL THE LAST ADU DISCUSSION YOU COULD EITHER HAVE AND ADU ATTACHED OR DETACHED, SO ESSENTIALLY YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT OTHER EXTENSION PLUS THE GARAGE CONVERSION. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT AND FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT IN THE CODE NEEDS TO BE REQUESTED. CERTAINLY I THINK STAFF IS GOING TO HELP WITH THAT BECAUSE WE KNOW THE CODE BETTER. THE ISSUE IS GOING TO BE WITH STATE LAW BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE SELF-IMPOSED. IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT. A LOT WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO BE TAKEN DOWN.

>> ASSUMING THE ZBA SAYS NO WAY, THE PREVIOUS CALCULATIONS ARE ALL OFF, HERE'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. WHAT DO WE DO? DO WE COME UP AND SAY YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THE GUESTHOUSE , YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THE PAVILION, YOU HAVE TO REMOVE HALF YOUR CONCRETE PAD AND THE SHED? LET'S SAY WE GIVE THEM NOTIFICATION AND THEY SAY WELL WE DON'T HAVE THE $84,000 TO SPEND TO TEAR ALL OF THAT OUT. WHAT DO WE DO?

>> I'M GOING TO LOOK TO LEGAL ON THAT ONE.

>> ARE WE TAKING THE HOUSE AWAY? DO WE FORECLOSE ON THE HOUSE TO PAY FOR THE DEMOLITION OF STUFF? HERE'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.

THAT OTHER ADU, I'M NOT A IN FAVOR OF THEM BUT THE ARGUMENT WAS, IT'S SOMEONE'S PROPERTY. YOU CAN'T TELL THESE PEOPLE WHAT TO DO AND IT'S NOT FAIR. IF THEY ARE NOT HURTING ANYBODY AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, NOW WE HAVE A CASE FROM ONE EXTREME TO THE OTHER AND THESE PEOPLE DID WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO AND I WOULD PUT -- PUT MONEY THAT THEY WILL NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO DEMOLISH IT. SO WE GO DOWN THIS PATH SIX MONTHS FROM NOW ARE GOING TO BE ON THE NEWS TEARING UP SOMEONE'S HOUSE. SOMEONE'S LIVING IN NUMBER THREE, RIGHT?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE THAT EXTREME BUT I WOULD SAY WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT HIS LIKELY THE MINIMUM VARIANCE REQUIRED TO NOT HAVE THAT ECONOMIC DETRIMENT TO THEIR STATUS. IT COULD BE, YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THE CONCRETE IN YOUR BUILDING SETBACK IN ORDER TO GET AN EASEMENT. THIS IS AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD SO I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED OF THESE LOTS ARE NOT WRAPPED WITH A-- BECAUSE WE LIKE TO DO THAT BACK THEN. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME OF THAT AND I THINK WE HAVE NOT EVEN STARTED TO DIVE INTO ZBA BECAUSE WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT IS THIS USAGE EVEN GOING TO BE ALLOWED? AND WE HAD TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAD. I WILL DISCLOSE WHEN WE WENT TO PNZ WE DID NOT HAVE THE COLORED MAP SO WE WERE FOCUS MOSTLY ON THE ADU AND THEN WE GOT IN AND THERE WAS THE EXTENSION, THE GARAGE, THERE WAS THIS, THERE WAS THAT. THAT'S WHEN WE REALLY TOOK A STEP BACK THAT THIS IS A LOT OF PEANUT BUTTER IN A JAR. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET SOME OF IT OUT.

>> SHOULD GO TO THEM FIRST? IF WE SAY NO AND THEY SAY YES DOES

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IT COME BACK TO US? >> FOR ZBA THE ONLY THING WE WILL BE LOOKING AT HIS THE USE SO THAT WHY WE HAD TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IF THE USE WAS EVEN PALATABLE AND APPROVABLE BY CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE LET'S SAY THE I GUESTHOUSE REMAIN A STORAGE BUILDING, THEN WE WILL HAVE THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS HEIGHT AND SIZE LIMITATIONS, SETBACKS, OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT AND WHAT THE REQUEST WOULD BE, BECAUSE THE USE WOULD NO LONGER BE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. THERE ARE LIKELY THINGS INSIDE THE BUILDING THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT SO IT IS NO LONGER CONSIDERED HABITABLE.

>> STILL HAVE TO TAKE OUT TOILET SEATS, SHOWER--

>> CORRECT. AND MAKE SURE THE WATER AND WASTE SYSTEMS--

>> SO WE GIVE THEM A NOTICE AND ENTERED TO INSPECT TO MAKE SURE?

>> RIGHT. AND THE OTHER ITEMS BUILT WITHOUT PERMITS THEN HAVE TO BE INSPECTED NOW TO SEE IF WE CAN GET TO A POINT WHERE THOSE ARE ACTUALLY SAFE AND CONFIRM THEY ARE SAFE . MOST OF THOSE PERMITS, OR ALL THOSE PERMITS ARE GOING TO BE A DOUBLE

PERMITTING FEE AS WELL. >> THE FAMILY LIVES HERE, THEY

NEED TO START MOVING. >> ONE WAY OR ANOTHER , TRAN SIXES WERE GOING TO USE AND IF THEY SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE A GUEST HOUSE AND SOMEONE IS LIVING THERE, THEY NEED TO MOVE.

>> IF SOMEONE IS LIVING IN THAT GUESTHOUSE, CORRECT, BECAUSE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROVIDED THE VIOLATION. THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANYBODY LIVING THERE. THEY'VE BEEN ON NOTICE THAT THAT IS A

VIOLATION SINCE LAST YEAR. >> THAT'S A DIFFICULT ONE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 15 YEARS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN 15 YEARS LATER WE COME AND GO GROUPS, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE

ALL THAT. >> IS THERE A TIME LIMIT ON THEM HITTING THESE MILESTONES FOR TAKING IT OUT, MOVING? IT'S NOT

ALL AT ONCE, IS IT? >> I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S ALL AT ONCE. TYPICALLY THAT'S UP TO THE PROSECUTOR

>> THERE'S NO GRANDFATHERING RIGHTS . SOMEONE CAN COME BY AND SAY WE BEEN THERE FOR 15 YEARS. NO PROBLEMS. ALL OF A SUDDEN THE

CITY COMES BY-- >> WE PROBABLY ALREADY CHECK THE CODES BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT THEY DID WAS NOT COMPLIANT.

>> I'M ASSUMING IT IS BREAKING CODE. NOT ARGUING WITH THAT. IS THERE A PRESCRIPTIVE SCREEN WHERE FOR 15 YEARS IT'S BEEN--

>> YOU'RE ASKING FOR-- NONCOMPLIANCE.

>> YOU SAID NO BUT THE MOTION IS TO DENY, CORRECT? SO A YES VOTE

WOULD BE -- >> A YES VOTE IS TO DENY.

>> THAT'S CONFUSING. IT'S NOT AN EASY THING TO TELL SOMEONE THAT THEY HAVE TO TEAR OUT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF WORK OR DO WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO DO, BUT I WOULD DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THE LAST DISCUSSION WE DIDN'T SAY IT'S YOUR PROPERTY, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER THE HECK YOU WANT.

IT'S YOUR PROPERTY YOU CAN DO REASONABLY WITHIN THE LAW.

THAT'S WHAT WE TOLD THE LAST HOMEOWNER. YOU ARE COMING TO COUNCIL DOING THESE THINGS AND GET SOME THINGS ON THE PROPERTY TO DO THAT. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THESE HOMEOWNERS ARE IN THIS SITUATION. WE NEED TO UPHOLD THE LAW.

>> PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD? MAYOR SNYDER? MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON?

COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? >> MOTION PASSES 7- 0. WE HAVE

[14.4 Discussion and possible action on approving and affirming the City Manager's approval of a World Hippo Day event to be held on February 15, 2025 and guidance to staff on setting a policy on how/when outside agencies can host events that may or may not compete with a City event. (Mike Snyder) (Part 1 of 2)]

ONE MORE SECTION IF WE CAN GET IT MOVED UP AND THAT IS ITEM 14 - 4. NO OBJECTIONS? DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVING AND AFFIRMING THE CITY MANAGER'S APPROVAL OF THE WORLD-- DAY ON FEBRUARY 15, 2025 AND GUIDANCE TO STAFF ON POLICY ON WHEN OUTSIDE AGENCIES CAN HOST EVENTS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT COMPETE WITH A CITY EVENT. PUT THIS ONE ON HERE BECAUSE THE CITY MANAGER

ASKED US TO ADDRESS THIS. >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AFFIRM THE CITY MANAGER'S APPROVAL OF WORLD HIPPO DAY ON FEBRUARY 15, 2025 . AND NOT -- FOR ALL EVENTS THAT HAVE APPROPRIATED FUNDS IN THE 2025 , PHYSICAL YEAR 2025 BUDGET TO BE

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HOSTED BY THE CITY OF HUTTO . >> I WILL SECOND THE CAN I MAKE AN AMENDMENT? THAT ANY CITY - FUNDED EVENT , THE CITY MANAGER HAS THE ABILITY OR WILL DENY OUTSIDE AGENCIES HOSTING THEIR OWN EVENT ON THAT SAME DAY OF A CITY - SPONSORED EVENT , PERIOD.

>> I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION IS TO REAFFIRM THE CITY MANAGER'S APPROVAL BUT DENY ANY OTHER EVENTS THAT WOULD OCCUR ON A DATE OF A CITY EVENT GOING FORWARD.

>> WHERE DOLLARS ARE BUDGETED. >> WHERE DOLLARS ARE BUDGETED.

>> I THINK THAT'S A MISTAKE BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF SMALLER CITY EVENTS AND PEOPLE HAVING ANOTHER EVENT MAY BE COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO THE CITY EVENT AND HAVE NO REAL IMPACT.

>> AND YOU AND CAN ALSO COME TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL FOR

THAT. >> THAT'S NOT WHAT THE MOTION

IS. >> I SAID FOR THE CITY MANAGER

TO BE ABLE TO DENY. >> NO, YOU SAID YOU WOULD DENY.

>> TO DENY. >> WILL I WANT TO GIVE HIM DISCRETION, I WOULD SAY IF THERE IS ONE THEY WOULD NEED TO COME

TO COUNCIL . >> AS YOU STATED THE MOTION IT WAS NOT-- IT DIDN'T COVER THOSE CASES.

>> LET'S KEEP IT CLEAN. FOR JUST THE BASIC MOTION --

>> CAN WE SPLIT UP THE TWO? >> HERE, LET ME MAKE A MOTION.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE AND AFFIRM THE CITY MANAGER'S APPROVAL OF WORLD HIPPO DAY ON FEBRUARY 15, 2025.

>> SECOND. >> DISCUSSION OF THAT ONE?

>> I DON'T THINK THIS IS NEEDED. I'M NOT IN THE BUSINESS OR INTEREST OF AFFIRMING THE CITY MANAGER'S APPROVAL OF ANYTHING. I THINK IF WE GIVE HIM ENOUGH RESPONSIBILITY THAT IF HE APPROVES SOMETHING, THAT'S WHAT IT IS . I'LL BE VOTING NO ON

THIS. >> I WILL WITHDRAW.

>> TO HELP YOU ALL, IF IT DOES HELP, I HOPE ANYWAY, IT IS WITHIN MY DISCRETION TO APPROVE THE PERMIT TO THE POINT THAT COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON HAS MADE. THAT IS TRUE. I DO HAVE DISCRETION TO APPROVE OR TO DENY PERMITS AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW

WITHOUT CHANGING ANYTHING. >> I WILL WITHDRAW THAT MOTION,

THANK YOU. >> SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IN DEFINITELY THE WORLD HIPPO DAY EVENT TO BE HELD ON

FEBRUARY 15, 2025. >> SECOND.

>> SO THE MOTION IS TO TABLE AFFIRMING THE CITY MANAGER 'S

-- LOVE THIS. >> TABLE IN DEFINITELY.

>> AND THE REASON I SECOND THAT IS BECAUSE I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON SAID. I THINK IT SITS -- IT SETS AN INTERESTING AND MAY BE A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT IF WE START BRINGING THINGS TO COUNCIL SAYING THE CITY MANAGER MADE THIS DECISION AND EITHER I AGREE WITH IT OR I DON'T AGREE WITH IT OR I WANT TO MAKE A POLITICAL ISSUE OUT OF IT. I'M GOING TO BRING IT TO COUNCIL AND REAFFIRM THIS. THAT MAKES ME REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE GOING DOWN THAT PATH BECAUSE WHEN DOES IT END? SO I HAVE 0 ISSUE WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WITH WORLD HIPPO DAY. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT EVENT, A LOT BIGGER THAN WE'VE EVER HAD AND SOUNDS LIKE IT IS VERY WELL ORGANIZED . IT'S GOING TO POTENTIALLY BE PRETTY HUGE, PRETTY COOL. I DON'T WANT TO STOP IT, AND A NO VOTE TO ME IS NOT LIKE SAYING TO DENY IT.

IT'S SAYING I DON'T NEED TO REAFFIRM YOUR DECISION TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT. SO THAT'S WHERE MY HEAD IS AT WITH THE

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MOTION. >> IF IT IS OKAY WITH COUNCIL , MEMBER OR MEMBERS OF THE FOUNDATION COULD COME UP AND SPEAK. THE REASON I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA IS THAT I WAS SHOCKED TO SEE THE REQUEST BY THE CITY MANAGER. GAVE ME CONCERN. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO MAKE A POLITICAL ISSUE BECAUSE I'VE SEEN ALL OVER THAT THE MAYOR SOMEHOW HIJACKED WORLD HIPPO DAY AND BOW DOWN TO THE MAYOR TYPE OF STUFF.

IF YOU COULD-- >> I AM AMY, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE HIPPO FOUNDATION AND THIS IS BILL. HE SITS ON OUR BOARD. I AM HERE TO CLEAR UP SOME MISCOMMUNICATION. I HAVE BEEN-- NOT ME, MY TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING WITH PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT SINCE, I BELIEVE OCTOBER WHEN WE CAME TO THEM AND WE GAVE THEM AN IDEA THAT WE WANTED TO DO WORLD HIPPO DAY AND LET'S WORK TOGETHER. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY SITTING UP HERE KNOWS THAT AND THAT EVERYBODY IS INVITED TO PARTICIPATE AND COLLABORATE BECAUSE HERE'S WHAT I SEE. IC LEADERSHIP COULD BE BETTER. I GUARANTEE THAT EVERYBODY AGREES WITH ME. WE CAN ALL STEP UP AND BE BETTER. SO AS A LEADER YOU ARE IN A POSITION TO HEAL SITUATIONS OR HURT THEM. WE CAN LIVE IN THE PAST OR WE CAN GROW TOGETHER SO WITH THINGS LIKE WORLD HIPPO DAY , WE WANT TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY . WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF SEEING PEOPLE FIGHTING AND WE WANT THE CITY TO WORK WITH US. WE WANT THE CHAMBER TO WORK WITH US. I WANT THE ISD TO WORK WITH US BECAUSE HUTTO CAN DO BETTER AND THAT IS OUR VISION AS A BOARD . THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO GIVE TO YOU GUYS.

I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY UP HERE HAS MY CELL PHONE NUMBER SO IF YOU GUYS ALL HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, I KNOW THAT I DID RECEIVE A QUESTION FROM PETER AND I'M HOPING TO HAVE A MEETING WITH JAMES. I AM OPEN TO COMMUNICATION BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE A LITTLE BIT BETTER. DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME OR DOES BILL WANT TO SAY ANYTHING?

>> DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? DO YOU WANT TO HELP OUT ? WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT TO DO? WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR ME? ANYTHING?

>> FOR THE RECORD COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR LAST NAMES?

>> AMY PATTON. >> BILL COLE.

>> I APOLOGIZE. I THINK I WAS SAYING PEYTON AND YOU NEVER

CORRECTED ME. >> IT'S RUDE TO CORRECT PEOPLE.

>> I APPRECIATE, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION.

OBVIOUSLY I STARTED WITH YOU ALL, I STARTED AT THE HIPPO FOUNDATION AND WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THE DOWNTOWN HUTTO BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. BUT THE ENTERTAINMENT COMMISSION, I DON'T WORK FOR YOU GUYS, I HOPE YOU ALL LIKE I WOULD HELP OUT THE AMERICAN LEGION, LIKE I WOULD HELP OUT THE LIONS CLUB PRIMARILY BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE TIME, BUT ALSO TO ALLEVIATE SOME POLITICAL STUFF. IT DOES THIS -- WHAT DOES DISHEARTENED ME , EVERY TIME YOU GUYS DO SOMETHING IT'S ON THE AGENDA. THERE'S AN EMAIL, THERE'S FACEBOOK POSTS, THIS GOT HIJACKED, THIS GOT TAKEN AWAY, INTIMIDATION OF EMPLOYEES. I MEAN-- LOOK. I LIKE CHAOS, RIGHT? NOTHING BEATS CHAOS AND PEOPLE KNOW ME , NOTHING BEATS CHAOS MORE THAN STARTING CHAOS WITH ME. I'M GOING TO END IT. IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, AMY HAS A PHONE NUMBER, BILL CAN BE FOUND , IF THERE'S AN EAGLE SCOUT UP HERE WITH ME, THERE'S A LEADER, YOU PROBABLY KNOW BILL AND IF YOU DON'T YOU SHOULD. NOBODY REACHED OUT FOR ME, NOBODY EMAILED INSTEAD. I LOVE READING ALL THE FACEBOOK COMMENTARY BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY DROVE INTEREST IN THE WORLD HIPPO DAY WHICH WAS EXCITED AND I THOUGHT THIS IS GREAT BUT NOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA AND GET CANCELED. BUT MY INVOLVEMENT IN THIS WAS CONSTANTLY TELLING THEM YOU SHOULD GO REACH OUT TO

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THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. I DO REMEMBER SITTING IN MEETINGS WHERE IT WAS LIKE HOW DO WE INCORPORATE THIS WITH THE CITY EVENT? TYPICALLY I KNOW THE CITY MANAGER HAS CONCERN ABOUT, OH MY GOD IF IT HAPPENS ON A MONDAY WHAT HAPPENS? THE INITIAL THING WAS NOT THAT WE ARE DOGGING WHAT HAPPENS BUT IT IS ON A SATURDAY, IT IS A BIG DAY . HOW DO WE INCLUDE WHAT THE CITY DOES AND MAKE IT A BIGGER EVENT? I KEPT SAYING YOU HAVE TO DO THIS, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS, GET WITH THEM, GET WITH STAFF. THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS A FREAKING NIGHTMARE. GET WITH THEM, GET WITH THEM. I GET BACK FROM KANSAS CITY ON CHRISTMAS AND WE HAVEN'T STARTED THE PERMITTING PROCESS , WE ARE LESS THAN TWO MONTHS AWAY. I SAID I WILL START FILLING IT OUT. GET WITH THEM, GET WITH THEM. THEY SAT DOWN, I'M NOT KNOCKING AMY'S INTELLIGENCE OR ANYTHING BUT HASN'T DONE A LOT OF THE WORK WITH THE CITY. I AM NOT PART OF THE HINDU NEPAL-- I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT CALLED EXACTLY OVER THERE. BUT I'M NOT A MEMBER OF THEIR GROUP BUT I AM TRYING TO HELP THEM DO A PARADE SO I HOPE THEY GET A PARADE. TRIED TO KNOCK THEM DOWN BECAUSE I SOMEHOW HELP TO THEM. I INVITED SEVEN PEOPLE TO HELP PEOPLE BUT THAT I WILL GO TO MEET WITH YOU GUYS. IF ANY EMPLOYEE FEELS LIKE SOMEHOW THERE WAS PRESSURE BECAUSE THE MAYOR IS HERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO SUDDENLY BOW DOWN , WHAT DO YOU ALL NEED FROM THESE PEOPLE? I DID TALK TO JAKE ISBELL WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE CANCELLATION POLICY? I SAID JAKE WHAT DO YOU WANT? YOU TELL ME AND I WILL GET THEM BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TELL ABOUT RAIN AND SNOW AND SLEET AND LIGHTNING SO I DID OFFER THAT MAYBE THE FORMAT COULD BE SET UP TO WHERE INSTEAD OF ASKING LAYPEOPLE THEIR OPINION LIKE ME AND OTHERS, THAT IT'S JUST REQUIRE BY THE CITY THAT WHEN YOU DO AN EVENT THIS MUCH RAIN AND THIS MUCH TIME. EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, WHATEVER MY TITLE IS , WHO KNOWS HOW THEY DO IT IN BOY SCOUTS BUT IS THAT WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN THE CITY? AMY PROBABLY KNOWS. WITH HER KIDS SHE WOULD SEND THEM OUT INTO THE RAIN BUT IN THE CITY WE HAVE TO PULL THEM IN. THAT IS ALL THE MY INVOLVEMENT IS. I LOVE THE ATTENTION THAT I GET WHEN I HELP PEOPLE. WE MAKE IT OUT LIKE SOMEHOW IT GOT HIJACKED OR WE TRY TO TAKE MONEY AWAY , WE TRIED TO KILL A GOLF TOURNAMENT BECAUSE WE USED THE WRONG WORD, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO HATE ME THAN TO HEAT THE PEOPLE THAT I WORK WITH . IF ANYTHING I THINK IT EMPOWERS PEOPLE TO DO EVEN MORE . SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL WILLING TO NOT HAVE TO-- THE CITY MANAGER.

>> CAN I ADD SOMETHING? I WANT TO SAY WORKING WITH CASEY AND JEFF HAS BEEN AMAZING. THEY ARE WONDERFUL PEOPLE, VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND I LITERALLY TALK TO THEM, ASKED THEM IF THEY FELT UNCOMFORTABLE AND NO ONE SAID ANYTHING . THAT THEY FELT INTIMIDATED OR UNCOMFORTABLE , WE HUNG OUT, WE TALKED, THEY HELPED US THROUGH EVERYTHING. SO I AM NOT TOO SURE WHERE THE INTIMIDATION THING COMES FROM. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE BUT THEY SEEMED VERY RELAXED AND, I DON'T KNOW. I AM JUST KIND OF SHOCKED THAT THAT CAME OUT AND SADDENED BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IF WE COULD JUST COMMUNICATE TO ONE ANOTHER AND WORK TOGETHER , I DON'T THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE AN INTIMIDATION FACTOR OR-- I DON'T KNOW. IT'S VERY ODD TO ME THAT CITY STAFF FELT INTIMIDATED. THEY DIDN'T SEEM

INTIMIDATED ONE BIT. >> I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

WHAT OTHER CITY EVENTS IS THE HIPPO FOUNDATION INTERESTED IN

HOSTING? >> WHAT DO YOU WANT TO WORK WITH

ME WITH? >> THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE PART OF THE SECOND HALF OF THE MOTION. I THINK WE NEED TO FINISH THIS ONE. DON'T GO ANYWHERE.

>> YOU GUYS, IT'S PAST MY BEDTIME.

>> WE GO UNTIL 2:00 A.M. 3:00 A.M.

>> ANY DISCUSSION ON TABLING AND DEFINITELY THE APPROVAL OF THIS

EVENT? >> IT IS TABLE INDEFINITELY, AFFIRMING THE CITY MANAGER'S ABILITY TO-- THE EVENT. WE ARE NOT APPROVING THE EVENT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO DENY IT. THE MOTION WAS TO TABLE INDEFINITELY THE NECESSITY FOR THE CITY MANAGER, FOR US TO APPROVE-- AFFIRM HIS --

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>> ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? HEARING NONE PLEASE CALL THE

VOTE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK? MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD? COUNCILMEMBER

KOLAR? MAYOR SNYDER? I. >> THAT MOTION PASSES 7- 0 SO THE SECOND PART IS GUIDANCE ON STAFF WILL SEND A POLICY.

>> WE HAVE A 10:00 O'CLOCK DEADLINE SO IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND

TAKING THAT-- >> 10 MORE MINUTES.

>> I DON'T THINK WE NEED-- >> THANKS. I DIDN'T KNOW THERE

WAS A 10:00 O'CLOCK -- >> I DON'T KNOW WHY THEIR ORGANIZATION IS-- ABOUT COUNCIL'S POLICIES.

>> ARE WE ABLE TO PUT 10 O'CLOCK DEADLINES ON ALL THE ITEMS?

>> YES. I MAKE A MOTION THAT 10:00 CLOCK IS OUR DEADLINE.

>> I'M SORRY, THAT'S ITEM 9.2 . AND 10.1?

>> WILL GO TO ITEM 9.2. PRESENTATION RELATED MATTERS IN REFERENCE TO THE PERRY WINS DISTRICT .

>> THAT'S NOT THE DEADLINE. >> 10.1, SORRY.

[10.1 Conduct a public hearing, receive the final pricing and transaction numbers for the Cottonwood Public Improvement District Area No. 2 Special Assessment Revenue Bonds, Series 2025 and consider action on Ordinance No. O-2025-006 approving the levy of assessments for the costs of certain improvements to be provided in the Cottonwood Improvement District Improvement District Area No. 2 project; fixing a charge and lien against all properties within Improvement Area District No,2, and the owners thereof; providing for the manner and method of collection of such assessments; making a finding of special benefit to property in improvement area #2 of the district; approving a service and assessment plan; providing a severability clause; and providing an effective date; and take appropriate action. (Alberta Barrett) ]

>> WE HAVE TO DO 9.2 AND 9.3 FIRST? DOES IT MATTER?

>> CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, RECEIVE THE FINAL PRICE FOR THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT AREA. SPECIAL ASSESSMENT REVENUE BONDS SERIES 2025 AND CONSIDER ACTION ON -- AND APPROVING THE LEVY OF ASSESSMENTS FOR COSTS OF CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS TO BE PROVIDED IN THE COTTONWOOD IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, DISTRICT AREA NUMBER TWO PROJECT. FIXING A CHARGE AND LEAN AGAINST PROPERTIES WITHIN IMPROVEMENT AREA DISTRICT 2 AND THE OWNERS THEREOF PROVIDING FOR THE MANNER AND METHOD OF COLLECTION OF SUCH ASSESSMENTS, MAKING A FINDING OF SPECIAL BENEFIT TO PROPERTY IN IMPROVEMENT AREA NUMBER TWO OF THE DISTRICT, APPROVING A SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN, PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. ALBERTA BARRETT , FINANCE DIRECTOR FOR THE RECORD. I KNOW WE ARE ON A QUICK TIME LINE.

THIS ONE IS TO RECEIVE THE FINAL PRICING ON THE ISSUANCE WHICH , JIM WILL TALK TO GO THROUGH THOSE IN THE NEXT ITEM IS

ACTUALLY AWARDING THE ORDINANCE. >> YOU'VE GOT THREE MINUTES.

>> I'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COUNCIL AND CITIZENS. MY NAME IS JIM WITH HILLTOP SECURITIES, THE CITY FINANCIAL ADVISOR. TODAY, TWO PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT SPECIAL REVENUE BONDS . VERY WELL PRICED . THERE'S A SUMMARY THAT I PREPARED. THREE - TERM BOND'S THAT WERE OVERSUBSCRIBED , PURCHASED BY THE HIGH-YIELD CATEGORY PLAYERS . WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL PRICING, THIS IS REALLY IMPRESSIVE THAT THEY CAME IN A SPREAD OF 150 BASIS POINTS. IT'S THE LOWEST PRICE THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN OR ANY BOND THAT THE CITY OF HUTTO HAS DONE.

THEY PREPARED A COMPARISON OF THE RECENT PIT ON SALES AND YOU CAN SEE PARTLY BECAUSE OF EFFORT AND THE CONTINUED SUPPORT OF OUR ECONOMY. HIGH-YIELD BOND BUSTERS ARE FAVORING OUR TEXAS SPECIAL ASSESSMENT REVENUE BONDS. ON THE SOURCES AND USES OF THIS TRANSACTION WE BEEN WORKING WITH NUMBERS THAT ARE MORE CONSERVATIVE WHICH RESULTED IN THE , DEVELOPER WILL END UP WITH $700,000 MORE IN PROCEEDS BECAUSE THE INTEREST RATE WAS LESS AND WE WERE ABLE TO UP THE AMOUNT BY KEEPING ASSESSMENTS LEVEL WHERE THEY HAD BEEN BEFORE. THESE ASSESSMENTS HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE AND HAVE BEEN INDICATED IN THE PRELIMINARY SERVICES. YOU'VE TAKEN A NUMBER OF STEPS PREVIOUSLY. THEY HAVE A SERIES OF ITEMS, BONDS ARE PRICED TODAY, I SPOKE WITH ALBERTA AND EXPLAINED THE PRICING TO HER. THE MOST EFFICIENT BOND SALE THAT THE CITY HAS EVER HAD AND THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN. WE HAVE THE PRICING, THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FINAL ASSESSMENT PLAN AND IF YOU APPROVE THAT THERE WOULD BE THE ORDINANCE. IN SUMMARY, COTTONWOOD PHASE 2 IS JUST A WELL STRUCTURED, WELL PRICED SUCCESSFUL TRANSACTION . WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND SAY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO BE

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PART OF IT. >> I WILL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:55 IF THERE'S ANYBODY FROM THE PROPOSED PIT BONDS. PLEASE COME UP. SEE YOU KNOW WHEN WE WILL CLOSE AT 9:55 AND OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL. QUESTIONS OR ACTION?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS PRESENTED.

>> SECOND. >> SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE PLEASE CALL

THE VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD? I.

MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? I. COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? I.

COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? I. COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON ? I.

[10.1 (a) Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2025-007 of the City Council of the City of Hutto, Texas, approving the issuance of Cottonwood Public Improvement District Improvement Area No. 2 Special Assessment Revenue Bonds, Series 2025; approving and authorizing an indenture of trust, a bond purchase agreement a continuing disclosure agreement and other agreements and documents in connection therewith; making findings with respect to the issuance of such bonds; and providing an effective date; and take appropriate action. (Alberta Barrett) ]

>> MOTION PASSES 7- 0. THE NEXT ITEM IS 10.18, CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE O - 2025 - 007 FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO, TEXAS, FOR THE ISSUANCE OF COTTONWOOD PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT IMPROVEMENT NUMBER TWO SPECIAL ASSESSMENT REVENUE BONDS AND BOND PURCHASE AGREEMENT AND OTHER AGREEMENTS AND DOCUMENT.

>> THANK YOU. ALBERTA BARRETT AND THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY APPROVING THE ORDINANCE ISSUING THE BONDS THAT YOU JUST HEARD THE PRICING ON. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS , FORGOT THE REST , IS HERE TO GO THROUGH ANY OF THE LEGAL ISSUES.

>> THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE SOME OF US KNOW THEM FROM PREVIOUS THINGS. IT'S GOOD TO NOT KNOW YOUR LAWYERS FROM ALL THE TIME,

RIGHT? >> BART FOWLER, PLEASURE TO STEER -- SHARE THE STAGE WITH COUNCIL. TO BE BRIEF, THE DISTRICT HAS ALREADY ISSUED BONDS FOR IMPROVEMENT AREA NUMBER ONE. THIS IS AN APPLICATION TO MIRROR WHAT WAS DONE A NUMBER ONE. THE SAME TRANSACTION THAT WAS APPROVED FOR NUMBER ONE. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE BUT I WILL BE BRIEF. THE NEXT DAY TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN

SUCCESSFUL SO FAR. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE-- APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AS RECOMMENDED.

>> ALL I WOULD SAY TO THE PUBLIC, IF IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE RUSHING THROUGH SOMETHING THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD. WE'VE ALREADY HAVE PREVIOUS GUIDANCE ON EVERYTHING SO THIS IS MORE OF A FORMALITY TO WHERE WE ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE. AM I CORRECT

IN SAYING THIS? >> THIS IS THE END OF THE PROCESS OF WHICH WE'VE ALREADY AGREED.

>> A LOT OF TIME HAS GONE INTO IT AND THIS IS THE FINAL STAGE BEFORE BONDS ARE ISSUED AND MONEY IS AVAILABLE TO REIMBURSE

FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING

NONE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? MAYOR SNYDER? COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON?

COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD? I. >> MOTION PASSES 7- 0.

>> I'M PRETTY SURE THE LAW FIRM IS PART AT ALL RIGHT? FOR FUTURE

REFERENCE? >> HE HAS SAVED US A FEW TIMES.

>> 10.4, MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT THIS I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS WHEN WE SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE OUGHT TO BE DOING IS WORKING WITH THE NONPROFITS NOT TO TAKE OVER EVENTS. I KNOW THAT THAT IS A FEAR, CITY MANAGER AND ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMEONE COMES IN AND SAY I'M GOING TO DO A PUB CRAWL ON THE SAME DAY. WHAT I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE DOING AS A CITY AND I'VE SAID THIS ALMOST EVERY YEAR THAT I'VE BEEN UP HERE, WE SHOULD BE WORKING TO EMPOWER THE NONPROFITS TO WORK WITH US.

PREVIOUSLY WE HAVE HAD FOURTH OF JULY. DUMPING TRASH CANS AND CHECK TICKETS. I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NONPROFITS THAT COULD COME IN AND WE CAN PARTNER AND SOMETIMES WHAT HAPPENS , I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT HAPPENS, BECAUSE WE WASTE MONEY ON THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE READY TO DO AND I

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THINK WE SHOULD BE SEEKING OLDER NONPROFITS, ASKING THEM HOW TO HELP . WHAT CAN YOU DO? AND IN FACT, SOME PEOPLE THINK STAFF WAS INTIMIDATED AND OFFERED THE FOUNDATION TO HELP AT ANOTHER EVENT WHICH NOW I HAD PAUSE BECAUSE OF THAT HAPPENS , MY NAME IS ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK AND THESE PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO COME UP HERE ON A NIGHT AND SEE THE CIRCUS AND IN REALITY I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE WORKING WITH PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE THE EVENTS AS BEST THEY CAN AND DO IT AT THE LOWEST COST TO THE CITY. IF THERE'S A FOUNDATION OR A NONPROFIT , THE LIONS CLUB OR, I DON'T KNOW. PICK A CLUB. IF THEY CAN COME THROUGH AND DO SOMETHING FOR THE CITY AND THE CITY DECIDES TO PAY THEM $500 OR $1000 TO DO IT AND PARTNER WITH THEM AND THEY CAN SELL COTTON CANDY FOR THEM, WHY IS THAT A BAD THING? I GET IT IF THERE'S PEOPLE SAYING I'M GOING TO HIJACK IT. I GET THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S A POLITICAL CHILD THIS THAT WE ALL, ME, ALL OF US GET CAUGHT UP IN. DAN DOESN'T GET CAUGHT UP IN ANYTHING. I THINK THERE'S A WAY WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL IF WE SAY WERE GOING TO HAVE A FOURTH OF JULY EVENT. SAYING NO ONE CAN HAVE AN EVENT IN THE CITY ON THAT DAY. 45,000 PEOPLE IN THE CITY AND I CAN TELL YOU NOT EVERYBODY CELEBRATES. I'M GOING TO SAY THAT NOW. I'VE BEEN ASKED TO HELP TO OTHER EVENTS ON FOURTH OF JULY FOR COMMUNITY NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT OUR INDEPENDENCE DAY AS THEY ARE SO THE CITY MANAGER WE ARE GOING TO TELL HIM YOU HAVE TO DENY ALL THESE DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE EVENTS. THAT IS A DIFFERENT PERMIT AND IF WE ARE HAVING A FOURTH OF JULY CELEBRATION , AND DOWNTOWN HUTTO WANTS TO HAVE A GET TOGETHER, WHY DOES IT BOTHER

US? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DESIGNATE THE FOLLOWING EVENTS AS OFFICIAL CITY EVENTS . WORLD HIPPO DAY , SUNSET BLOCK PARTY, JUNETEENTH , FOURTH OF JULY , HOLIDAY DRONE SHOW AND TREE LIGHTING, THE HIPPO CLAUSE CRAWL AND I GUESS THE VETERANS DAY EVENT THAT WE'VE HELD IN THE PAST. AND, TO DIRECT STAFF AND CITY MANAGER TO DEVELOP A POLICY ON HOW TO WORK WITH PRIVATE ENTITIES TO CARRY OUT THESE EVENTS AND SET POLICIES AND GUIDELINES IN PLACE FOR HOW TO

DO THAT. >> I WILL SECOND THAT. CAN WE

ADD A MEMORIAL DAY AS WELL? >> YES. THAT IS THE SAME AS THE

SUNSET BLOCK. >> WE USE THAT FOR MEMORIAL DAY BUT ON THE OFF CHANCE IF YOU WANTED TO DO A SPECIFIC MEMORIAL

DAY EVENT WE COMBINE THE TWO. >> I WILL NOT BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THAT BECAUSE TO BRIAN'S POINT , IT ALMOST TO ME SHOULD BE A NONISSUE . IF YOU GUYS KNOW THAT YOU'RE HAVING AN EVENT YOU SHOULD BE DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE AND PUTTING IN YOUR PERMITS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I'M NOT SAYING THE FIRST ONE WHO GETS THE PERMIT IN WINS, BUT IF YOU KNOW YOU HAVE AN EVENT THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED, IT'S IN THE BUDGET, GET YOUR PERMITS IN. AT LEAST GET THAT PART DONE. YOU'VE DONE THE EVENT BEFORE, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A POLICY OR A GUIDELINE ON THAT. IF YOU DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO COME UP AND SAY WE HAVE TO DO THIS, THEN TO THAT POINT, COMMUNICATE WITH THEM AND TRY TO WORK WITH THEM.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY, IF WE CAN SAVE THE PACK TAXPAYER A DIME, LET'S DO IT. I DON'T THINK WE NEED GUIDANCE. I THINK YOU NEED TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.

>> AND I PUT ANOTHER FACT ON THE TABLE? WHAT HAPPENS IF, LET ME USE THE HIPPO CRAWL BECAUSE IT GENERATES REVENUE THAT I KNOW OF. I HEAR YOU, WE PUT IN THE PERMIT WHAT HAVE YOU, AND I HAVE THE DISCRETION TO SAY NO, OKAY, AND GENERALLY I DON'T EXECUTE THAT DISCRETION THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND MET ALL THE ITEMS. IF THERE IS ANOTHER PERMITTED EVENT BASICALLY THAT IS THE SAME TYPE OF EVENT, ONE OF THE CLAUSES IN THE EXISTING RULES IS THAT I CAN SAY NO. HOW WOULD Y'ALL EXPECT ME TO REACT IF SOMEONE SAYS YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT HIPPO CLAUSE CRAWL IS PRETTY AWESOME, WE ARE GOING TO DO IT THE WEEK BEFORE AND CALL IT IS SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. WE ARE GOING TO DO THE SAME THING BASICALLY , THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT HAS HAPPENED AND I STARTED THINKING ABOUT OKAY,

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WHEN SOMEONE IS NOT TRYING TO PARTNER WITH US, HOW COULD THIS BECOME SOMETHING THAT IS BAD? THAT'S WHAT I AM ASKING FOR GUIDANCE ON FROM COUNCIL. IF I DENY IT , AND THAT IS WITHIN MY RIGHT TO DO, IT'S IMMEDIATELY GOING TO BECOME A POLITICAL ISSUE BECAUSE I'M BEING CAPRICIOUS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT IS THE SORT OF STUFF THAT IS A LITTLE MORE RELEVANT.

WE CAN PERMIT EVENTS AND HOLD CITY EVENTS, WE CAN PARTNER TO FIND WAYS LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, TO ENHANCE AND SOMETIMES OFFSET EXPENSE. ALL OF THAT STUFF MAKES TOTAL SENSE TO ME AND THAT IS PRETTY MUCH A NO-BRAINER. THE ISSUE THAT I HAD A REALLY WAS WHAT HAPPENS IF, THAT'S ALL ONE OF THE REASONS WE END UP LEGISLATING BUT WHAT IF THAT HAPPENS ? IT'S NOT THE SAME EVENT EXACTLY, AND I'M GOING TO BE IN A POSITION TO SAY, TYPICALLY I WOULD SAY YES BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE ALL THE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS. THAT'S WHAT I PUT ON THE TABLE.

>> MY ANSWER WOULD BE THE SAME, YOU DO NOT HAVE AN EASY JOB BECAUSE YOU ARE ALLOWED THE AUTONOMY TO MAKE THOSE CHOICES WITHOUT OUR APPROVAL . THE WAY THAT I THINK IS USING YOUR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY THEY WANTED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A HOLIDAY CRAWL THE WEEKEND BEFORE YOUR HOLIDAY CRAWL. UNLESS THERE IS SOME KICKBACK FROM, LET'S SAY DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THAT'S TWO WEEKENDS IN A ROW THAT THESE BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO LOSE REVENUE BECAUSE WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE CASE , UNLESS THERE'S A LOT OF KICKBACK AND SEND WHOEVER DOWNTOWN TO GO FIND OUT OR EMILY OR WHOEVER, COMMUNICATE. IF THERE IS NO KICKBACK WHY APPROVE IT? IS THE CONCERN THAT THEIR EVENT IS GOING TO BE BETTER THAN YOURS AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ONE ANY MORE? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY. IF WE CAN SAVE THE TAXPAYER A DOLLAR OR A DIME, I AM FOR IT.

>> I DON'T SEE IT AS AN ISSUE BECAUSE OF WE ARE DOING DUE DILIGENCE IN COMMUNICATING, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE TOUGH CHOICES.

>> TO ME THAT'S VERY THOUGHTFUL-- NOT THAT YOU DON'T MAKE THOUGHTFUL POINTS BUT-- THE REASON THAT I CHOSE THAT CRAWL WAS BECAUSE THAT IS A REVENUE GENERATOR. IT'S NOT AN EXPENSE.

>> WHEN YOU SAY REVENUE GENERATOR --

>> WE MAKE MORE MONEY THAN WHAT IT COSTS TO PUT IT ON. THAT'S

WHAT I MEAN BY THAT >> EVER THINGS HAVE CALLED THINGS REVENUE-GENERATING AND PUT $2 MILLION OVER HERE AND THEN $300,000. SO IT'S A NET BENEFIT .

>> AT LEAST IT HAS BEEN. YOU ALWAYS TAKE A RISK THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE BECAUSE WE PRE-SELL TICKETS AND ALL THOSE OTHER TYPES OF THINGS. WE MAKE SURE GENERALLY THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DELIVER IT FOR LESS THAN WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY EARNING. THAT IS ONE OF THE FEW ONES. LIKE THE FIREWORKS, YOUR BURNING $50,000 WATCHING IT GO UP IN THE SKY AND POP.

>> WHY DO WE BUDGET FOR IT? >> WE STILL HAVE TO BUDGET ALL

EXPENSES, THAT'S WHY. >> WE SHOULD HAVE $25,000 TO

SPEND, RIGHT? >> IF I BUDGET $25,000 AND IT GENERATES 30, THE FIVE ROLLS OVER INTO THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE. THAT'S HOW THAT HAPPENS.

>> DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THE CITY APPROPRIATES FOR CITY HELD

EVENTS FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR? >> FOR ALL OF THEM I DON'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I COULD HAVE IT LOOKED UP OR HAVE ALBERTA TELL ME. IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 150 -2 HUNDRED FOR ALL OF THE EVENTS AND I THINK THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT.

>> THAT INCLUDES PARKS EVENTS ?

>> PARKS MOSTLY HAS ALL OF THE EVENTS. IT'S THE BIGGEST

EXPENDITURE . >> AND THEN CHRISTMAS TREE

LIGHTING -- >> AND THEN THE DRONE SHOW, WELL THAT'S MORE MONEY. 25 GRAND I THINK IT WAS BUT I'M SURE THE NUMBERS HAVE GONE UP. ANYWAY THAT IS THE REASON WHY I ASK THE QUESTION. IT'S THE FIRST TIME I HAD SEEN ANOTHER ENTITY PUT IN AN APPLICATION. WHAT I WOULD DO IN REACTION TO THIS IS, THE CITY IS THE PERMITTEE AND OF THE NONPROFITS AND TO YOUR POINT, IT'S A COMPLICATED PROCESS BUT NECESSARY THEN YOU CAN ADD ON TO

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OUR PERMIT WHAT WE ARE DOING AND THEN BE A PARTNER VERSUS THEM ACTUALLY BEING THE PERMIT POLAR. AND THAT A LOT OF THESE ISSUES OF WORKING TOGETHER AND NOT WORKING TOGETHER KIND OF GO

AWAY. >> IT WOULD STILL BE A POLICY

CHANGE. >> IT'S NOT DEFINED. I COULD STILL DO THAT, IT'S JUST NOT A POLICY.

>> IF IT'S A FISCAL POLICY IT SHOWS HE'S NOT BEING CAPRICIOUS AND CAN SAY LOOK, THIS IS COUNCIL POLICY. YOU CAN RUN THE BIG EVENT, THE HIPPO FOUNDATION AND THEY WERE ABLE TO USE THE

CITY PERMIT. >> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT CAPRICIOUS TYPE OF ARGUMENTS WHICH MEANS THAT I'M TREATING PEOPLE UNFAIRLY, WOULD BE THAT WHEN I SAY NO.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE, WELL YOU'RE PICKING ON ME BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE ME OR ANY OF THAT STUFF. AND THEN IT WILL BECOME A POLITICAL ISSUE. IT WILL BECOME A POLITICAL ISSUE SO MY THINKING WAS THAT THERE'S A POLICY THAT DEFINES THAT, IT PRETTY MUCH MAKES IT CUT AND DRY.

>> OUT OF CURIOSITY YOUR TIME IN MAINER, NO, HUTTO, HOW MANY

TIMES HAVE YOU SAID NO? >> I HAVE NOT SAID NO YET.

EVERYONE THAT HAS APPLIED HAS DONE AN EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD JOB OF PUTTING TOGETHER THEIR PACKETS.

>> THIS IS JUST A COMMUNICATION ISSUE BECAUSE I'M GOING TO SPEAK FOR PEOPLE WHEN I SAY THIS. THERE WERE ASSUMPTIONS MADE THE PEOPLE ARE COMPETING WITH THE CITY EVENT BUT IN REALITY THE CONVERSATION WAS WHAT'S GOING ON HERE AND HOW DO WE BLEND IT IN OVER THERE? THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE DOWNTOWN THAT ARE LIKE, WHAT EVENTS? SO I THINK COMMUNICATION COULD OF SOLVED THAT. TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE CRAWL THE WEEK BEFORE I WOULD SAVE A PERSON CAME IN ASKING FOR IT I WOULD COMMUNICATE WITH THEM WHAT YOU TRYING TO DO, AND CAN YOU HELP US PUT ON OUR EVENT? SURELY THEY WOULD ONE DAY LIKE TO HAVE A HOLIDAY OFF OR NOT WORK ON A SATURDAY NIGHT. IF THEY CAN DO THE BEHIND THE SCENES AND SOME ENTITY, YOU NAME IT IS PASSING STUFF OUT, I CAN'T IMAGINE EMPLOYEES ARE SAYING I REALLY WANT TO WORK SATURDAY. MAYBE THEY WANT TO GO TRY THE DRINKS AND STUFF BUT I THINK THERE'S A COMMUNICATION THING THERE. IT SOLVES A LOT OF THAT AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY HAVE TO WORK ON. IS YOUR MOTION THAT THERE IS A POLICY SOMEHOW WHERE THE CITY MANAGER, A POLICY OR SOMETHING TO HOW WE WORK TOGETHER AT CITY EVENTS AND NONPROFIT PEOPLE TO WORK

TOGETHER TYPE OF POLICY? >> ABSOLUTELY AND I AGREE WITH YOU. I TALKED WITH AMY AND WE CONVERSED, IT WAS JUST A MISCOMMUNICATION AND AN IDEAL WORLD, YOU WORK TOGETHER AND FIGURE IT OUT AND MAKE A GREAT COMBINED THING AND I THINK IF WE HAVE A SET POLICY THAT SAYS THIS IS THE PROCEDURE NO MATTER WHO IS UP HERE AND WHO IS IN HIS SEAT. WHO IS RUNNING THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, THERE'S A POLICY AND EVERYONE KNOWS HOW IT'S RUN BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO ENHANCE THESE EVENTS THAT WE'VE GOT. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAPPEN AS WELL AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO DESIGNATE THESE IS KIND OF CITY EVENTS SO THAT THE CITY CAN SAY WE ARE GOING TO BUDGET FOR THIS AND PLAN AN EVENT AND IF WE CAN GET A PRIVATE ENTITY TO COVER THE WHOLE COST AND LET THEM MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY IN THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING, THAT'S PERFECT. I'VE LIVED IN HUTTO SINCE 2001. ONE OF OUR FAVORITE EVENTS WE PARTICIPATED IN YOUR AFTER YEAR, THE GREAT HUTTO CLEANUP AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHERE EVERYONE GOT TOGETHER AND WHOEVER CLEANED AT THE MOST TRASH GOT THE HIPPO IN FRONT OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WAS MAINLY RUN BY ANOTHER ENTITY, KEEP HUTTO BEAUTIFUL.

THE PRETTY MUCH RAN IT BUT IT WAS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY AND THEN A FEW BOARD MEMBERS CHANGED ON THAT. COVID HAPPENED AND THEN WE'VE NEVER DONE IT AGAIN. IT JUST KIND OF FELL APART AND I THINK PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE THE CITY WAS NOT MAKING SURE IT WAS HAPPENING. IT WAS, KEEP HUTTO BEAUTIFUL HAS A.

LET US KNOW IF YOU NEED HELP. AND NOW IT'S NOT HAPPENING ANY MORE. THAT'S ONE THAT I'VE SEEN AND THEN JUNETEENTH

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THERE'S A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EVENT BECAUSE WE WERE ASSUMING ANOTHER ENTITY WAS GOING TO DO IT, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT, WE HAVEN'T BUDGETED FOR IT, SO IT'S LIKE, WHAT HAPPENS? WORST-CASE SCENARIO IF WE DO NOT GET A PRIVATE GROUP AT LEAST WE HAVE IT COVERED AND WE CAN DO IT BUT IN AN IDEAL WORLD IF WE ALL COME TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY AND WE DO THESE THINGS TOGETHER , THEY GET BIGGER AND BETTER. THAT WAS MY THINKING BEHIND THE MOTION.

>> I LIKE THAT. >> ONE OTHER THING YOU MENTIONED IS, WHAT IF SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING AND STOP DOING IT? ONE OF MY FAVORITE EVENTS WAS REDS WHITES AND BREWS AND THEN WE STOPPED DOING IT. IT WAS A CITY EVENT AND THE CITY CHOSE TO NOT DO IT. ANOTHER GREAT EVENT I LOVED WAS THE SANTA CLAUS CRAWL AND THEN ONE DAY IT CHANGES . I THINK SOMETIMES YOUR FEAR IS A VALID FEAR BUT WE ALSO SEE THINGS CHANGING IN THE CITY DECIDES NOT TO DO SOMETHING. EVERYBODY IS GOING IS NO LONGER SANTA CLAUS? WHY IS IT HIPPO? THINGS CHANGE ALL THE TIME. IT DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT NONPROFITS ARE DOING BUT WHEN THE CITY CHANGES SOMETHING GOING ON FOR 10 OR MORE YEARS AND CHANGES THE NAME TO STOPS, IT SOME PEOPLE. DOESN'T ALWAYS FEEL LIKE IT'S A COMMUNITY EVENT. ONE THING WE DON'T DO IS COMMUNICATE A LOT .

PEOPLE DON'T LIKE ME, THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK, THAT'S FINE. SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO HASH IT OUT ON FACEBOOK BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO YOU AND TALK TO NONPROFITS AND GET THIS GOING. 45 LANGUAGES SPOKEN. AT SOME POINT WE WOULD HAVE MULTIPLE EVENTS AND HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET ALONG AND I LIKE THE MOTION TO EVANS POINT, DON'T BE AFRAID OF A BETTER EVENT BEING PUT ON. NEW ORLEANS DOES THINGS EVERY DAY FOR MARDI GRAS UNKNOWNS COMPLAINING. AS LONG AS WE ARE ENHANCING THE CITY AND IT COSTS US LESS TO DO IT, LET'S FIGHT

SOME DEVELOPERS >> MY TEAM'S VISION WAS TO HAVE THE IST COME IN AND THE CHAMBER AND THE CITY COME IN AND WHEN THE COMMUNITY WORKS TOGETHER, HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH THE PERMITTING? DOES THE CITY DO THE PERMITTING OR DO WE PUT EVERYONE ON THE TITLE? HOW DO YOU SEE THAT WORKING?

>> YOU GUYS ARE THE CITY MANAGER?

>> I DON'T CARE, I DON'T KNOW WHO TO ASK.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM. IMAGINE IF IT'S A TEAM EFFORT. THE CITY IS THE CAPTAIN OF THE TEAM IN THE SENSE THAT THEY ARE COORDINATING AND LOOKING FOR THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT PARTNERS CAN PLUG IN. THERE WERE ENHANCEMENTS THAT COULD BE MADE OR OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER PARTNERS TO STEP IN AND TAKE OFF A BURDEN THAT OTHERWISE WOULD BE ON THE CITY, TO THE MAYOR'S POINT. IT TAKES THE FOUNDATION OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OR WHOMEVER COME TOGETHER AND EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT ASPECT OR A ROLE THAT MAYBE THEY ARE IN CHARGE OF UNDERNEATH THE OVER UMBRELLA AND PERMITTING OF THE CITY EVENT.

>> THAT WAS MY ASK WHENEVER WE CAN DO PARKS AND REC. I WAS

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LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO BUT DO YOU WANT TO DO THE PERMITTING? THEY SAID I HAD TO DO THAT PART BUT IT WOULD'VE BEEN WAY EASIER FOR ME. HOW ABOUT YOU DO THE PERMITTING?

>> IT MAKES MORE SENSE FOR US TO DO THE PERMIT AS PART OF OUR

ROLE BUT NOT THE ONLY ROLE. >> CASEY HAD SOME GREAT IDEAS, HAVING A RUBBER DUCKY THING . THEY HAD SOME REALLY GREAT IDEAS BUT I KNOW THEY BOTH GOT BUSY. IF YOU HAVE SOME OTHER IDEAS AND WANT TO WORK TOGETHER I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

EVERYONE UP HERE HAS MY NUMBER BUT --

>> WHAT'S YOUR NUMBER?

>> YOU KNOW HOW TO GET A HOLD OF ME. AND THE FACT THAT Y'ALL ARE EXCITED AND INTERESTED IS GREAT. YOU KNOW THE LIST OF EVENTS THAT WE DO SO IF THERE IS SOMETHING OF INTEREST TO YOU, DO REACH OUT. FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT AND SAY WE BE INTERESTED IN

WHATEVER. >> DO I REACH OUT WITH YOU

SPECIFICALLY? >> I WOULD REACH OUT TO CASEY AND JEFF JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE 1000 DIFFERENT THINGS COMING AT ME. THEY ARE IN CHARGE OF PERMITTING FOR MOST OF THIS.

THERE ARE A HANDFUL IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THEY WILL KNOW WHO

IS DOING WHAT. >> THANK YOU.

>> I WAS INVOLVED WITH BOY SCOUTS , CITY OF GREENVILLE IS ROUGHLY 50,000 PEOPLE, SITS IN A COUNTY OF ABOUT 1.5 MILLION PEOPLE AND THEY WOULD HOLD AN EVENT IF YOU GOOGLE IT-- SHOWN EVERYONE I CAN THINK OF WHAT YOU CAN DO IN A TOWN OF 50,000 IF YOU DO IT RIGHT. THEY HAVE A FESTIVAL A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR AND THERE WOULD BE A QUARTER MILLION PEOPLE IN TWO DAYS IN A TOWN OF 50,000 PEOPLE. THE CITY HAS A LOT OF THINGS BUILT ON FESTIVAL MONEY. THEY HAD A COUPLE OF COORDINATORS AND NEEDED SOMEONE TO DUMP TRASH CANS. BOY SCOUTS GOT TO DUMP THE CANS, WE TOOK THEM TO THE DUMP TRUCK , TRASH TRUCK AND WE DID THAT AND GOT PAID $1200. EVENTUALLY REMOVED UP AND GOT TO DO ALL THESE VENDORS. THEY HAD NONPROFITS SELLING THINGS AND THEY WERE MAKING MONEY SELLING DRINKS AND STUFF. ALL WE WOULD DO IS PASSOUT ICE AND AT THE END THE CITY WAS NOT GIVING MONEY.

THEY ARE WILLING TO DO THINGS FOR IT, WE JUST HAVE TO INCLUDE THEM. SO I THINK WHAT WE FOUND IN THE CITY OF GREENVILLE WAS THEY INCLUDED EVERYBODY AND WE WERE OUT OF SIMPSONVILLE.

THAT'S A GREAT STORY BUT WHAT IF NO NONPROFIT WANTS TO DO IT? GO TO ROUND ROCK . ALL OF A SUDDEN PEOPLE IN HUTTO ARE SAYING I DO KNOW I CAN MAKE 500 BUCKS CHECKING PEOPLE IN.

THERE'S A WAY TO NOT ADD THOSE BUT TO RELAX AND TAKE STRESS OFF OF THE EMPLOYEES . JAKE KNOWS WHAT HE WANTS, WE NEED SOMEONE TO MAN BARRICADES. YOU DO THE BARRICADES AND YOUR UNIT GETS 300 BUCKS. YOU'RE A NONPROFIT AND WE NEED SOMEONE TO PASS OUT BAGS. WE WILL GIVE YOU $500 FOR THAT. BY THE TIME YOU GET DONE YOU ARE STILL MAKING MONEY YOU CAN PUT BACK IN WHATEVER YOU PAY EMPLOYEES THEY ARE OUT HAVING FUN AND EVERYONE'S DOING THINGS TO MAKE SOME MONEY. THAT'S WHAT THE HIPPO FOUNDATION DOES, THEY RAISE MONEY AND SAY ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS HELP OUT AT THE GOLF TOURNAMENT AND YOU GET A CHECK FOR $5000. IF YOU CHECK PEOPLE INTRICATE LUNCH YOU GET $7000. SO OTHER PEOPLE ARE COORDINATING BUT YOU ALWAYS NEED STAFF. THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT WHERE WE CAN DO IT AND LIMIT-- HUTTY CLAUS CLAW, WHY ISN'T THAT -- WHY ARE WE LIMITING IT? I THINK BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE STAFF TO HANDLE IT BUT IF WE GOT BIGGER AND GOT 45,000 PEOPLE IN YOUR ONLY GIVING OUT 800 TICKETS, LET'S WORK ON A PLAN TO MAKE IT BE-- BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TO SOME OFFENSE THERE WOULD BE 10,000

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PEOPLE AND IT'S ALL BEING RUN BY VOLUNTEERS AND THERE'S SOMEONE AT THE TOP MANAGING IT. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT AND WE CAN INCORPORATE THEM INTO THINGS AND GROW THEM AND USE NONPROFIT MONEY FOR BIGGER COMMUNITY THINGS. COMMUNITY CENTER STRUCTURES. HOW DID YOU AFFORD ALL THIS? ALL PAID ON THE BACKS OF 250,000 PEOPLE WHO CAME IN BUYING FOOD AND HAVING FUN AND INSTEAD OF TAXING THEIR PEOPLE THEY ARE ENTERTAINING THE WHOLE COUNTY. THAT'S WHAT I SEE. IF YOU BRING BACK A THING, I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS PROPOSAL BECAUSE I MAY NOT LIKE IT WHEN I SEE IT BUT RIGHT NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA. I THINK THAT WE ARE FORCED TO WORK WITH EACH OTHER IT'S LIKE HAVING A MARRIAGE COUNSELOR INSTEAD OF FIGHTING AND GOING I WANT TO TALK TO HER. IT'S LIKE WELL I HAVE TO TALK TO HER BECAUSE SHE'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY AND THE POLICIES AS WE HAVE TO TALK. COULD BE TALKING TO MORGAN.

>> I JUST WANT TO TALK TO YOU. COME ON UP.

>> MY NAME IS MORGAN HUBBARD AND MOST OF YOU KNOW ME-- I WORK CLOSELY WITH SEVERAL NONPROFITS IN THE COMMUNITY. THIS MAY BE SOMETHING YOU ARE AWARE OF OR MAYBE NOT , BUT A LOT OF OUR WELL-ESTABLISHED NONPROFITS ARE IN A STRUGGLE SPACE. THIS MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT PERTAINS TO THE HIPPO FOUNDATION BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ITS COMING OUT OF COVID COMMUNITY GETTING LARGER AND PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLUG IN, BECAUSE I AM ONLY SERVING ON THE LIBRARY BOARD, IT IS TIME FOR ME TO SUPPORT THE OTHER NONPROFITS JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS STRONGER WHEN WE HAVE THOSE GAPS BEING FILLED. THEY HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING BOARDS IN PLACE. THE BOARDS ARE AGING SO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE AVAILABLE TIME TO VOLUNTEER CAN'T DO THE MANPOWER. IN A PERFECT WORLD HAVING NONPROFITS DO ALL THESE THINGS I THINK IS GREAT. I KNOW THAT KRISTI BARNES IS WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE NONPROFIT COMMUNITY. THE CHAMBER AS WELL TO KEEP THOSE THINGS IN MIND. NONPROFITS ARE DOING WHAT THEY CAN WITH THE MANPOWER THAT THEY HAVE AND THE MORE THAT YOU GUYS GET ALONG, I THINK PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK AND SERVE IN THESE ROLES BUT IT WILL TAKE ALL OF US DOING THAT TOGETHER. I ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS OF THERE'S A NONPROFIT THAT YOU KNOW IS STRUGGLING MAYBE YOU KNOW A TALENT THAT WOULD FIT BOARD WELL. MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER WAY YOU COULD SUPPORT IT BECAUSE THE ULTIMATE VISION COULD HAVE A SOLID FOUNDATION. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SHY BECAUSE THEY ARE CONCERNED MAYBE THEY WILL BE MALIGNED ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR IN OTHER WAYS. IF WE HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN ALL THESE PLACES, ALL THESE THINGS ARE ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE SO I WANTED TO PUT THAT PERSPECTIVE OUT

THERE. >> THANK YOU. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE HAD A FOOD PANTRY BECAUSE WHAT I FOUND IN SO MANY NONPROFITS ARE WORKING HARD TO RAISE THE MONEY TO DO THEIR JOB THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO FOCUS ON DOING THEIR JOB. THEY HAVE TO BE MOSTLY FOCUSED ON RAISING MONEY, RAISING MONEY. SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, AND BY EASING THE FINANCIAL BURDEN ON THEM NOW THEY ARE SPENDING MORE TIME IN THE COMMUNITY. SOME PEOPLE JUST WANT TO BE LIKE A LIBRARY PERSON. THEY DON'T WANT TO SPEND TIME DOING RAFFLES AND EARNING MONEY. SO IF THERE'S EASY WAYS TO DO THAT AND MORE PASSIONATE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE LIBRARY OR WHATEVER, I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT ON THAT. THAT'S THE COMMUNICATION AND WORKING TOGETHER. THIS IS GOING TO GET DONE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER BECAUSE I WILL KEEP STARTING NONPROFITS AND DOING WHAT I HAVE TO DO TO HELP PEOPLE OUT AND IT WOULD BE A HECK OF A LOT EASIER THAN FIGHTING ON POLICY AND DON'T FIGHT. LIKE IF I HOPE YOU I WANT PEOPLE FIGHTING YOU JUST BECAUSE YOU SAID THANKS FOR COMING TONIGHT .

>> HE MAKES FUN OF ME EVERY TIME I THINK HIM FOR HIS ATTENDANCE BECAUSE I HAVE GOOD HOME TRAINING, MIKE. SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER IS THAT BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITY IS GROWING, IF THERE'S AN ORGANIZATION THAT CAN FILL A NEED WHAT'S FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO A GOOD JOB OF HELPING SUPPORT THEIR BOARD STRUCTURE OR WHATEVER IT IS INSTEAD OF CREATING ANOTHER BOARD. WHAT YOU WILL FIND IS THE MORE NONPROFITS DOING SIMILAR WORK IS DILUTING THE RESOURCES. HOW CAN WE ALL GET TOGETHER AND

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LOOK AT LIKE A NEEDS ASSESSMENT? TAYLOR DID THAT AND IT WAS POWERFUL BECAUSE YOU GET ALL THESE PEOPLE IN THE SAME SPACE.

THEY LOOK AT ALL THE NEEDS AND ASK THEMSELVES WHAT PART OF THIS PIKE IN MY ORGANIZATION TAKE ON SO WE ARE NOT COMPETING EFFORTS OR COMPETING FOR RESOURCES? WE ARE AT THE SIZE IT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE ONLY GET MAIL HERE. THEY ARE NOT SUPER INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY SO THIS COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHORE UP ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

TAKES TIME AND EFFORT TO GET PEOPLE IN THE SAME PLACE BUT TO SUPPORT THE GOAL OF NONPROFITS FUNDING THEMSELVES BUT ALSO FILLING THESE GAPS. I'M HAPPY TO HELP IN ANYWAY.

>> THANK YOU. CALL YOU TOMORROW. >> I HAVE A BOARD MEMBER OF THE KEEP HUTTO BEAUTIFUL FOUNDATION AND WE DO DO THE GREAT CLEAN UP EVERY YEAR AND WE HAVE FOR THE TWO YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD. DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF COVID. I REMEMBER A DECADE AGO THAT WE HAD THE GOLDEN HIPPO AND THE COMPETITION BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOODS . I DID PARTICIPATE WITH MY NEIGHBORHOOD BUT WE ARE WORKING OUT AN AGREEMENT FOR THE MEMO OF UNDERSTANDING FOR A-- SPOT WHERE CITIES ASSIGNED PLACES AND THEN WE COORDINATE WITH VOLUNTEERS AND BETWEEN THE CITY AND KH B WE PROVIDE MATERIALS, TRASH BAGS AND GLOVES . I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE PEAK OF COVID BUT WE DID 9 TONS FOR THIS

FESTIVAL, . >> THANKS FOR CLARIFYING. I GUESS I SHOULD'VE BEEN MORE CLEAR. IT WAS MAINLY PEOPLE, HUNDREDS OF VOLUNTEERS GOING INTO THE COMMUNITIES AND PICKING UP TRASH. ALSO TIED TO THAT WAS YOU COULD COME AND BRING YOUR JUNK AND DROP IT OFF. THE SECOND PART IS STILL HAPPENING BUT NOT

THE FIRST PART. >> WE NEED SEVEN PEOPLE TO COME UP WITH A GROUP TO BRING UP , CLEAN UP A SECTION OF THE CITY.

WE NEED VOLUNTEERS, IF ALL OF US DID THAT--

>> WE WILL ASSIGN AND ADOPT A SPOT TO CITY COUNCIL.

>> SEVEN ADOPTED SPOTS IS WHAT YOU NEED.

>> JUST ONE ADOPTED SPOT WITH SEVEN MEMBERS.

>> I WAS THINKING SEVEN TEAMS. >> IT STARTS AT 79 AND GOES TO

130. THANK YOU. >> DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?

>> CAN YOU REPEAT THE MOTION? >> SET THE LIST OF EVENTS AS FOLLOWS FOR CITY EVENTS. WORLD HIPPO DAY IN FEBRUARY, SUNSET BLOCK PARTY IN MAY WHICH WAS ALL PART OF MEMORIAL DAY. JUNETEENTH IN JUNE, FOR THE JULY AND JULY, THE HOLIDAY DRONE SHOW ENTRY LIGHTING IN NOVEMBER, VETERANS DAY AND THEN WHATEVER IT'S CALLED TODAY, THE HUTTY CLAUS CLAW? IN DECEMBER. AND ALSO SET A POLICY ON HOW OUTSIDE AGENCIES AND GROUPS CAN PARTICIPATE CARRYING OUT THESE EVENTS. IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY.

>> DISCUSSION? >> DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS IT TO

DEATH. >> WE MIGHT HAVE TURNED LEMONS

INTO LEMONADE HERE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PORTER FIELD? YOUR SNYDER? MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD? NÉE.

COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? >> MOTION PASSES 6 - 1.

>> CAN I PULL UP 10.1 AND 10.1 A?

>> WE ARE READY DID THOSE. >> ONE OF THE OTHER ONES, SORRY.

>> I WAS GOING TO GO TO 9.2. >> NO OBJECTIONS TO DO 9.2 NEXT?

[9.2. Presentation and related matters in reference to the Prairie Winds Public Improvement District #1 Plan of Finance. (Alberta Barrett) ]

PRESENTATION AND RELATED MATTERS IN REFERENCE TO THE PRAIRIE WINS PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT HISTORY OF FINANCE. I WONDERED WHY JIM WAS

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STILL HERE. >> ALBERTA BARRETT, FINANCE DIRECTOR, FOR THE RECORD. THIS IS FOR PRAIRIE WINS PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT NUMBER ONE DISTRICT NUMBER 1 TO HAVE A PLAN OF FINANCE AND ANY UPDATES ON REPRESENTATIVES FROM THIS

PROJECT. JIM? >> I'LL TRY TO STAY WITHIN THREE MINUTES. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE YOU'VE SEEN THIS PROJECT. IT STARTED IN 2021 AND DEVELOPING IS READY TO GO FORWARD WITH THE FIRST PHASE. IS THERE A PRESENTATION?

>> 9.2. >> THEN I WILL VERBALLY GIVE THE INFORMATION. PRAIRIE WINDS IS 263 ACRES AND BE ABOUT $453 MILLION IN VALUE GENERATING $2.1 MILLION OF ANNUAL TAX. PHASE I IS WHAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD LIKE TO AFFORD AND PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT BONDS FOR. IT WOULD REPRESENT 280 HOMES AND THERE WILL BE A COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE OF $3500 PAID FOR EACH OF THE 280 HOMES ON PHASE I WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT $980,000. OVERALL, $3500 FOR ALL HOMES OVER TIME. HOME PRICES RANGE FROM $355,000 - $450,000 WITH THE AVERAGE HOME BEING ABOUT $403,000. AT THE CURRENT RATE THIS PHASE WOULD GENERATE $450,000 SO IT WILL BE STRAIGHT INVOLVEMENT. THIS HAS SOME HISTORY TO IT. THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT APPROVED IN OCTOBER 2021 . WAS CREATED BY RESOLUTION ON JULY 2023. THERE IS A MODIFICATION IN AUGUST 2023. SINCE DEVELOPERS PREPARED TO GO FORWARD TO NOT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE PRESENTATION OF THE DRAFT SERVICE ASSESSMENT PLAN AND CALLING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE APPROVAL. SIMILAR PROCESS TO WHAT WE DID EARLIER WITH COTTONWOOD AND BEING CALLED FOR MARCH 6. THERE WILL BE A MEMORANDUM PREPARED AND PRESENTED ON YOUR FEBRUARY 20 MEETING FOR APPROVAL. ON MARCH 6 BONDS WILL BE PRICED AND APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE ISSUE OF THE BONDS . THE PAYMENT OF THE FEES ARE UNIQUE IN THIS AGREEMENT. THEY HAVE TO BE PAID IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO THE FIRST CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND WILL BE WRITTEN INTO DOCUMENTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE BEFORE BEING GIVEN AS A HOMEOWNER. IT WILL BE ABOUT $10.1 MILLION . IT LOOKS LIKE A VERY CREDITWORTHY TRANSACTION . ON INITIAL NUMBERS A CONSERVATIVE INTEREST RATE THAN WHAT YOU SAW , THE AVERAGE LEAN PER PARCEL WILL BE ABOUT $36,000. IN SUMMARY WORKING WITH STAFF , THE DEVELOPERS COMPLIANT WITH THE AGREEMENT AS PROPOSED IN PHASE I AS ANTICIPATED IN THE DEVELOPMENT DOCUMENTS WITH A PROBLEM FREE PROCESS COMING FORWARD. ULTIMATELY WITH -- CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS.

>> I'D LOVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED CALLING FOR DETERMINING THE COST .

>> I SECOND THAT. >> I THINK I NEED TO CALL THAT

[9.2. (a) Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-037 of the City Council of the City of Hutto, Texas determining costs and calling a public hearing to consider levying assessments on property located within the Prairie Winds Public Improvement District Area #1; directing the publication and mailing of notice of such public hearing; and take appropriate action. (Alberta Barrett)]

ITEM 1ST. >> SINCE IT WAS STILL 9.2 I

THOUGHT IT WAS CALLED? >> CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON R - 2025 - 037 OF THE CITY OF COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF HUTTO , DETERMINING COSTS AND CALLING A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER LEVYING ASSESSMENTS ON PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN THE PRAIRIE WINDS PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AREA ONE, DIRECTING THE PUBLICATION AND MAILING OF NOTICE OF SUCH PUBLIC HEARING

AND TAKE ACTION. >> NUMBER ONE. MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON.

DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ON THAT? >> I HAD A QUESTION. IN THE

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PRESENTATION IT SAYS THAT THE TAX EQUIVALENT RATE IS $.69. IS THAT IN ADDITION TO THEM $.39 CITY OF HUTTO TAX? SO THEY WOULD

BE PAYING THREE TIMES . >> IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN THE

DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. >> HEARING NO OTHER DISCUSSION

PLEASE CALL ABOUT . >> COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK? MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD? COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? MAYOR SNYDER? COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? I.

>> MOTION PASSES 7- 0. >> THE REST ARE CONSENT.

[11. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ]

>> WE HAVE 9.1? >> NO OBJECTIONS WE WILL MOVE TO CONSENT. SORRY, LAURA. WE HAVE ITEMS 11.1, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 FOR CONSIDERATION. OTHER ITEMS WE'D LIKE TO PULL?

>> I'D LIKE TO PULL 11.5. I'D LIKE TO PULL 11.1. ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? IF NOT WE WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BALANCE.

>> SO MOVED, THE SECOND. >> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK AND GORDON. ANY DISCUSSION OF WHAT'S LEFT? HEARING NONE

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? I.

COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? I. COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? I. MAYOR SNYDER? I. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? I. COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD? I.

COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? I. >> MOTION PASSES 7- 0. NEXT ITEM

[11.1 Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-038 authorizing the City Manager to execute an Individual Project Order (IPO) with Johnson, Mirmiran, and Thompson for Design, bidding and construction administrative services in the amount of $706,598.10, for the CR 163 project (CIP T18-2025). (Matt Rector) ]

IS 11.1. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON R - 2025 - 008 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN INDIVIDUAL PROJECT ORDER OR IPO WITH JOHNSON, AND THOMPSON FOR DESIGN IN THE AMOUNT OF $706,598.10 FOR THE CR 163 PROJECT . THE REASON I PULLED THIS IS, I'M THINKING WE JUST HAD THAT MEETING AND SAW AN UPDATED THING BUT I THINK WE PUSHED THIS PROJECT ONTO 2019.

WERE TALKING $700,000 IN DESIGN. I WANT TO GET CAUGHT UP ON DESIGN BUT SINCE THIS IS SLATED FOR 2029 MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO START DESIGN NOW. WE ARE TALKING THREE QUARTERS OF $1 MILLION IF

I'VE GOT THE RIGHT PROJECT. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD. I AM GOING TO JUMP TO THE MAP HERE. I KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT ROADS AND PROJECTS ON SATURDAY. I DON'T SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER CHANGING THIS ONE. I MAY NOT BE REMEMBERING CORRECTLY AND AS I'VE TOLD YOU ON MULTIPLE PROJECTS MEETING ON SATURDAY WE HAVE TO HAVE THE AGENDA ALREADY READY BY THE END OF THE DAY FRIDAY. THIS WAS KEYED UP AND PUT ON THE AGENDA BUT IF COUNCIL WANTS TO DELAY THE PROJECT THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO. I JUST DON'T REMEMBER THIS ONE. I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT ALLIANCE AND INNOVATION, I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT 132 AND I DON'T REMEMBER US TALKING ABOUT WHAT 63.

>> THAT MAY BE CONFUSION IN MY PART. THERE'S $5 MILLION IN 2025 AND $5 MILLION IN THE 25 - 29 LINE. I WAS THINKING THE

MONEY WAS IN THE 25 - 29? >> REMEMBER THAT IS TOTALLY UP ALL OF THE YEARS SO YOU HAVE 25 TO 29 AND 29 IS THE TOTAL.

>> EAST AND WEST WE HAVE $6 MILLION BUT THE TOTAL IS $18

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MILLION. >> THIS IS ONE THAT WE NEED TO

FIGURE OUT. >> IS THIS SOMETHING WE COULD

PAY FOR WITH TRAFFIC IMPACT? >> I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE STUDY TO SEE IF IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE FEE STUDY.

TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

>> IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN THIS IS GOING TO BE THE ABILITY FOR ALL OF THESE HOMES IN THIS AREA TO GET OUT NOT ON COUNTY ROAD 137 BUT HAVING THIS ONE ALREADY DONE THIS YEAR WILL ALLOW ANOTHER SAFETY VALVE OF TRAFFIC TO GET OUT AND INTO SCHOOLS TEARING UP THAT OTHER INTERSECTION. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD NOT GO FORWARD WITH THIS ONE. IT WAS BUDGETED TO BE SPENT HERE IF

THAT'S NOT THE CASE. >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

>> THIS WILL NOT BE DESIGNED UNTIL THE END OF THE CALENDAR

YEAR ROUGHLY. >> I BELIEVE WE WERE TARGETING THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR FOR DESIGN COMPLETION SO THAT WE CAN BE BIDDING AND AWARDING CONSTRUCTION AT THE SAME TIME.

>> THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT. WE MAY HAVE MISSED THIS BUT IF THE PLAN IS TO DESIGN IT AND HAVEN'T CONSTRUCTION BY OCTOBER WHERE ARE WE AT? I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT EXCEPT WE MAY HAVE BOTH ROADS SCHEDULED TO BE IN CONSTRUCTION SO MAYBE WE PUSH 137 BECAUSE THIS ONE HAS A FASTER TRACK. I WOULD ASSUME THIS DOES BECAUSE 137 SCREWED UP THE TEXT.ROUNDABOUT . MAYBE WE MOVE THIS ONE FORWARD CONSTRUCTED BY THE END OF 2026 IT CAN BE ON THE SCHEDULE TO BE STARTING CONSTRUCTION IN 2028. WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT IT THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MAY MAKE SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND DO THIS ONE.

>> I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE MILEAGE OR THE DISTANCE OR LANES OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO MEASURE IT BY. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A LAZY PROJECT AND CEDAR FORK ROAD HAS ALREADY ESTABLISHED A NEW ROAD AND THERE'S HOMES GOING UP AROUND

THAT AREA ALREADY. >> THIS ORIGINALLY STARTED THIS CONVERSATION STARTED BEFORE I CAME BACK TO WORK FOR THE CITY IS YOU ARE READY HAVE THE BROOKLYN'S ON THE WEST SIDE AND THE HERITAGE MILL SUBDIVISION DEVELOPING ON THE EAST SIDE. ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD WITH THE HERITAGE MILL PROJECT WAS THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT I PICKED UP AND RAN WITH. WE WERE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE WITH THEM TO HAVE THEM PAVE THE ROAD TO DO THIS FOR US BUT THEY SAID WE ARE ONLY ON THE EAST SIDE. WHY DIDN'T YOU HAVE THE WEST SIDE TO THEIR HALF AND WE DO OURS? WE NEGOTIATED WITH THEM AND THEY CAME UP WITH A CROSS-SECTION.

YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A SHARED USE PATH ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD. IT IS JUST A STANDARD 24 FOOT WIDE TRAVELED ROAD SO THIS WOULD PAVE THE GRAVEL ROAD THAT IS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW AND IT SOLVES THE PROBLEM OF HAVING TWO SUBDIVISIONS THAT POTENTIALLY ARE DUMPING OUT ONTO AN OLD COUNTY AND GRAVEL ROAD SO THAT'S WHY WE WORKED ON THIS. I BELIEVE WE EVEN HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR THE HERITAGE MILL DEVELOPMENT TO KICK IN .

THEY ARE GIVING US THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR FREE AND I DON'T REMEMBER HOW THAT AGREEMENT SHOOK OUT. THAT WAS ALL STUFF THAT WE DID LAST YEAR BEFORE WE LET THEM GO TO CONSTRUCTION.

>> SO THAT BIG EMPTY FIELD IS BEING FILLED UP WITH HOMES RIGHT

NOW? >> CORRECT. IF YOU GO SOUTH YOU CAN ALREADY SEE THE NEW ROADS BEING ESTABLISHED. THERE'S ALREADY HOMES ON THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH OF

163. >> IS THAT WERE THE FIRE

DEPARTMENT EMPTIES OUT? >> THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS ON THE WEST SIDE JUST NORTH OF WHERE IT SAYS EAGLE LAKE DR. EAGLE LAKE DR. JUST NORTH OF THERE. THAT'S WERE THE NEWEST FIRE STATION IS

. >> IS THEIR OPPORTUNITIES TO DO

ANY SHARING WITH THEM? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY NEED

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THE ROAD. OR CUT THROUGH . >> THEY ARE ON A SWINDLE. IT GIVES THEM AN ALTERNATE PATH TO THE SCHOOL. I DON'T KNOW HOW INTERESTED THEY ARE IN DOING THAT.

>> I WOULD ASK AND SEE IF THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE. IT HAS HELPED THEM OUT HAVING ANOTHER POINT OF ACCESS RIGHT

THERE. >> I'M GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT AND THEN A MOTION. WE HAVE $5 MILLION BUDGETED THIS YEAR AND IF WE MOVE THAT TO WHERE DESIGN DOLLARS , CR 137 1660 S., WE HAVE A FULLY FUNDED $9.9 MILLION. IF WE MOVE THE DESIGN INTO THIS YEAR AND CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS TO 2027 AND CHANGE THAT TO NOT BEING FUNDED AND CHANGE IT TO BEING FUNDED, IF THIS IS ALL ACCURATE THE CASH FLOW THING , WE CAN MOVE THE DOLLARS AROUND. THERE'S NO SENSE TO DO A ROAD AND THEN BORROW MONEY IF WE ARE GOING TO WAIT TWO YEARS TO DO ANOTHER ROAD. HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ITEM WITH THOSE CHANGES ON OUR PLAN.

>> SECOND. >> JUST SO THAT I AM CLEAR ON THE MOTION YOU ARE SAYING TAKE THE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE ALLOCATED TO T5, AND USE THOSE TO PAY T 18 AND THEN WE WILL REALLOCATE FUNDS BACK TO WHEN WE ARE READY TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION WHATEVER

YEAR THAT IS? >> HITTING CONSTRUCTION AFTER THE ROAD IS BUILT WE WILL NOT BUILD THEM BOTH AT THE SAME TIME WHICH WOULD BE CRAZY. TO ME THAT'S A GOOD WAY OF DOING JOBS. THIS ONE IS AN EASY ONE. THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THE END OF THE YEAR BEFORE YOU EVEN GET THAT CLOSE THAT WE WERE NOT BORROWING MONEY. WE JUST USE THAT UP AND WHEN THE TIME COMES WE WILL BORROW MONEY TO BUILD T5 AT THAT POINT.

>> I HAVE A LEGAL QUESTION. CAN WE MAKE CHANGES TO IT WHEN IT'S NOT POSTED FOR A VOTE? YOU CAN DIRECT THEM TO BRING IT BACK. I DON'T HAVE MY PAPERS IN FRONT OF ME.

>> IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET THE PAPERS.

>> I AM VERY UNCLEAR WITH MOVING A LOT OF DOLLARS.

>> WHAT WE CAN DO LATER, I DON'T WANT TO TIE SOMETHING THAT I AM GUESSING AT AND NOT PREPARED TO DISCUSS TONIGHT BECAUSE IT WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA THAT WAS POSTED, TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING CONTINGENT ON THIS AND NOT KNOWING WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS ARE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE PREVIOUS MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED WITHOUT ANY

CONTINGENCIES ON IT. >> ALL I WOULD ASK COUNCIL TO DO IS IF YOU ARE GOING TO APPROVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS AND DESIGN , BRING YOUR INFORMATION.

THAT'S PART OF THE PREPARATION IN MY MIND, TO KNOW WHAT PROJECT

IS T 18 AND WHEN IT'S SCHEDULED. >> CAN WE GET PAPERS FOR THE ONES NOT AT THE MEETING ON SATURDAY?

>> THIS ONE IS HOW ALBERTA HAS IT IN THE FISCAL NOTE. IT IS SHOWING THE FUND 42, THE COUNT OBVIOUSLY FOR 163 . SHOWING THAT THERE ARE AVAILABLE FUNDS TO DESIGN AT 750. WE ARE NOT SELLING BONDS IN ORDER TO GET THIS STARTED.

>> JUST KEEP IN MIND WHEN WE COME BACK TO FINALIZE PROPERTY THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO WORK ON. NOT HAVING MET DO ALL THE PROJECTS AT ONCE AND BEING REALISTIC WENT TO START CONSTRUCTION AND GET FUNDED. TODAY IT'S NOT AN ISSUE BUT TOMORROW WE HAVE $30 MILLION SCHEDULED TO BE BORROWED . THIS PROJECT IS NOT FUNDED SO THERE'S NO REASON TO BORROW $30 MILLION WE ALREADY HAVE THE MONEY. YOU JUST HAVE TO TAKE THE PROJECT TWO YEARS FROM NOW AND DO IT NOW AND IN TWO YEARS BORROW THE MONEY. THE WHOLE THING WAS EMAILED TO US AND WAS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT BY A LITTLE BIT IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

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SOMEONE SENT US THE WHOLE THING AND YOU GAVE US A PAPER COPY.

>> WHATEVER WAS GIVEN TO US ON SATURDAY.

>> I BELIEVE THE PAPER COPY WAS WHAT WE HAVE PREPARED FOR YOU GUYS BACK IN , WHATEVER, THE LATE SUMMER. THE ONES WE SET YOU AND PUT IN YOUR CITY COUNCIL FOLDERS, THOSE WERE THE LATEST

UPDATES PRIOR TO SATURDAY. >> WE ALL HAVE THE INFORMATION.

IF WE ARE GOING TO SPEND $400 MILLION WE HAVE TO BE MEMORIZING WHAT -- WE DON'T HAVE TO MEMORIZE WITH T 18 IS BUT WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT EVERY PROJECT EVERY TIME IT IS BROUGHT UP BECAUSE $706,000 WE CAN'T JUST , THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.

>> SECOND. >> I'VE GOT CLARK AND KOLAR .

>> NO, GORDON AND THOMPSON. >> SORRY, LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT

ONE. >> THAT WAS AN AMENDMENT BUT I WILL RESCIND MY MOTION SO WE CAN HAVE THAT BE THE MAIN MOTION.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK? I.

COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? I. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON? I. MAYOR SNYDER? I. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON? I. COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD? I. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? I.

[11.5 Cnsideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-030 authorizing the City Manager to execute Amendment No. 1 to the agreement with KFriese for Design, Right-of-Way and Appraisal services in the amount of $163,268.63 related to the Exchange Boulevard project (T15-2024). (Matt Rector)]

>> MOTION PASSES 7- 0. NEXT UP ITEM 11.5 RESOLUTION R 2025 - 0 2025 - 030 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A MEMO NUMBER 1 TO THE AGREEMENT WITH KFRIESE FOR DESIGN RIGHT-OF-WAY AND APPRAISAL SERVICES IN THE AMOUNT OF $163,268.63 RELATED TO THE

EXCHANGE BOULEVARD PROJECT. >> I HAD A NOTE THAT WE HAD TABLED THIS TO SEE IF LEGAL CAN GET SOMETHING-- AND I DON'T REMEMBER BECAUSE-- WHATEVER. SOMETHING WITH RIGHT-OF-WAY .

WAS THERE SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE BETWEEN LAST MEETING AND THIS MEETING THAT MADE THIS ITEM DIFFERENT?

>> THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE BETWEEN THE LAST MEETING AND THIS MEETING. AT THE LAST MEETING COUNCIL BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT THERE IS ABOUT $60,000 IN THE CONTRACT FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION AND WE WERE DIRECTED TO GO TALK TO THE LEGAL TEAM TO SEE IF THEY COULD DO IT CHEAPER . WE DID REACH OUT TO THEM. THEY RAN THE ANALYSIS, THEY COULD NOT GUARANTEE US THAT THEY COULD DO IT CHEAPER BECAUSE THEY WORK ON AN HOURLY RATE OR AS WE HAVE A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT IN THE CONTRACT. BECAUSE OF THAT, TALKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER WE THOUGHT IT WAS BETTER TO STAY ON COURSE AND STICK WITH THE PEOPLE ALREADY IN THE LOOP AND WORKING WITH EVERYTHING. THE OTHER THING I WILL POINT OUT WAS THAT I AM WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER WHICH IS THE MULTIFAMILY PROJECT OVER HERE. WE HAVE CONFIRMED THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AGENTS, THAT $60,000 THAT IF WE DON'T USE ALL OF THEIR SERVICES WE WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT BECAUSE I AM WORKING WITH THAT GROUP THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION STUFF THAT HAS TO BE DONE BY THE CONSULTANT. BUT BASICALLY YES WE WENT TO DID WHAT COUNCIL ASKED US TO DO BUT BECAUSE LEGAL COULD NOT SAY DEFINITIVELY THAT THEY COULD DO IT CHEAPER WE DECIDED TO STAY ON COURSE AND GO AHEAD AND BRING THIS BACK FOR CONSIDERATION.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF I JUST MISSED THAT PART.

>> IS THERE A WAY WE CAN ADD AN FTE? TO GET A HOLD OF FOUR PROPERTY OWNERS, THREE OF THEM ALREADY HAD CONTACT INFORMATION RECENTLY. THE FOURTH ONE , IT SEEMS FOR $63,000 TO PASS PAPER TO SOMEBODY FOR PROPERTY I HATE SAYING THIS, BUT TO CUT OUT ALL THE CONSULTANTS WHEN IT COMES TO RIGHT-OF-WAY SERVICES AND HIRE ONE PERSON AT $70,000 TO DO ONE PROJECT A YEAR , I GUESS THEY WOULD BREAK EVEN. I CANNOT BELIEVE IT $63,000 TO KNOCK ON SOMEONE'S DOOR AND GO, I HAVE A QUICK CLAIM DEAL AND I WOULD

LIKE TO PAY FOR THAT. >> I DO THINK IT'S A LITTLE

MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT. >> BUT I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.

>> IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE BUT GOOD GOD, $63,000 TO CALL A PERSON . I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT YOU KNOW ME. I DON'T TRUST A CONSULTANT TO GO, WE DIDN'T USE 20 GRAND SO HERE'S $43,000 BACK. THEY'RE GOING TO COME SAY WE USED -- WE SPENT $59,000 AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THEY TOOK SOME PEOPLE OUT. I

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DON'T KNOW. I GUESS IT'S LIKE A BUDGET REQUEST OR SOMETHING.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE R - 2025 - 04 -- 030 AS

STATED. >> CAN YOU RESTATE THE MOTION?

>> TO APPROVE THE MOTION R - 2025 - 030 AS PRESENTED. PLEASE

CALL THE VOTE. >> MAYOR SNYDER? NAY.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? I. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK? I. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON? I. COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? I . COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON? I. COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD? I.

>> MOTION PASSES 6 - 1. NO OBJECTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO GO

TO ITEM 14.6. >> THAT'S THE LAST ONE.

[14.6 Discussion and possible action regarding the National Sign Plaza Contract. (Mike Snyder) ]

>> THAT'S HOW I KNOW -- THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW I DON'T HATE YOU.

OBJECTIONS, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING NATIONAL SIGN PLAZA CONTRACT . I ASKED THE CITY MANAGER TWO MONTHS AGO OR MAYBE THREE MONTHS, I CAN'T REMEMBER, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS BUT I SEE SIGNS THROWN UP ALL OVER THE PLACE . I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A SYSTEM OR A CONTRACT. I GOT THE CONTRACT, I READ IT . THINK YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GOOD JOB BUT I DON'T THINK YOU ARE HITTING ALL THE THINGS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HITTING. AND I THOUGHT THE MONEY WAS EXTREMELY LOW. I UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF IT BUT WHEN I TALKED -- WHAT I TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT AS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US FOLLOWING IT MORE THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOLLOWED. AND I KNOW THAT IT JUST RENEWED BUT IF YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING IT MAYBE WE COULD CANCEL IT. NOT SAYING I LIKE TO DO THAT BUT TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO AMEND IT AND GET YOU TO DO THE SIGNS AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT AND TRY TO GET SOME MORE MONEY OUT OF YOU. TRY TO CULTIVATE AND GET A QUOTE FOR A BUSINESS. COLLECTED ENOUGH MESSAGES. SAW WHAT IT COSTS TO PUT UP A SIGN AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP . NOT THAT I WANT YOU TO GO AWAY BUT THEY ARE KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE AND I WANT TO GET THE INPUT FROM COUNCIL OF, DO WE THINK IT'S TOO MANY? IS THERE A MORE UNIFIED WAY WE WANT TO DO THIS? THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMS UP WHAT I VOICED A FEW

MONTHS AGO. >> THAT'S CORRECT. AND MATT HAS A PRESENTATION OR INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED IN THE AGENDA SO HE IS AVAILABLE TO PRESENT OR ANSWER QUESTIONS.

>> EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENT DID EXPIRE. THERE HAS BEEN A RENEWAL THAT HAS BEEN DONE. I DID GO THROUGH THE AGREEMENT , THE 2019 AGREEMENT AND I HAVE A NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. VISITED WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO TALK ABOUT A FEW OF THOSE. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I SENT A MEMO TO COUNCIL SAYING -- ALONG WITH THE AMENDMENTS TO THESE AGREEMENTS .

>> WHERE ARE THE AMENDMENTS? >> I WILL TALK TO THE AMENDMENTS. THERE IS A NUMBER OF THEM AND I SEE THEM AS REMEDIES THAT CAN IMPROVE THE AGREEMENT. THE FIRST WOULD BE TWO SIGNS OVER 12' IN HEIGHT SO THAT WOULD BE CHANGED TO 14' TO MEET THE TWO AND THERE WERE TWO SIGNS THAT DID NOT HAVE CITY TOPPERS VISIBLE ON BOTH SIDES. I BELIEVE THOSE HAVE BEEN CORRECTED TODAY.

WE WOULD JUST AMEND THE AGREEMENT TO SAY THAT ANY FUTURE SIGNS WOULD AUTOMATICALLY HAVE THE CITY TOPPER ON BOTH SIDES UPON INSTALLATION REGARDLESS OF IF THERE IS A DIRECTION SIGN ON THE BACK. IT WAS A CONFIRMED BY THE CITY OF THE FINAL DESIGN PLANS WERE SUBMITTED BEFORE INSTALLATION SO AMEND THE AGREEMENT TO REQUIRE APPROVED SIGN PERMITS PRIOR TO ANY FUTURE SIGN INSTALLATIONS. THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENT ALSO SAID THE APPROVER OF THE NEW SIGN LOCATIONS WAS JUST THE CITY AND I WOULD AMEND THAT TO SPECIFY THE SERVICE DIRECTOR BE THE APPROVER OF NEW SIGN LOCATIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY STATE OR FEDERAL CODES. THERE IS A 10% OF CITY RESERVE PANELS ONLY AVAILABLE-- I'M SORRY, ONLY OF THERE'S AVAILABILITY ON THE PLAZA AND THEY WERE SECONDARY TO PAID PANELS PER SIGN PLAZA. THIS ONE I WOULD INCREASE TO 20% FOR CITY RESERVE WITH A GUARANTEED ONE PANEL PER SIGN PLAZA . PANELS THAT THE CITY COULD USE MORE .

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HANGING BANNERS, WAS NOT REALLY SHOWN IN EXHIBIT A BUT THE CONTRACTOR SAID THE CITY NO LONGER USES THOSE SO I WOULD EITHER AMEND TO SHOW IT OR AMEND THE CLOSET IT'S NOT AN OPTION ANY MORE. THERE ARE A FEW MORE. THERE WERE TWO STRUCTURES ON 79 THAT WERE LESS THAN 100' APART WHICH IS AGAINST WHAT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENT SO I WOULD AMEND THAT TO ALLOW THE EXISTING ONES THAT ARE ON US 79 AS AN EXCEPTION TO THAT RULE. THE $10 PER PANEL SIDE WAS AN OUTDATED RATE . THEY DID INITIALLY-- TENTATIVELY AGREED TO $20 PER PANEL PER SITE PER MONTH AS AN INCREASED RATE. IT IS A FIVE-YEAR TERM AGREEMENT AND I WOULD AMEND THAT TO A TWO OR THREE-YEAR TERM TO ASSURE THAT IT'S BEING REVIEWED MORE FREQUENTLY THAN FIVE YEARS .

THERE IS A CLAUSE AS WELL THAT SAYS IF THE AGREEMENT IS TERMINATED BY THE CONTRACTOR THAT THE SIGN PLAZA'S REMAIN IN PLACE AND PANELS BECOME PROPERTY OF THE CITY. I WOULD AMEND THAT TO SAY THE CITY IS ALLOW THE CHOICE TO KEEP SIGN PLAZA'S IF THEY WOULD LIKE OR HAVE THEM REMOVED IF THEY ARE IN BAD CONDITIONS. I DON'T KNOW WHY THE CITY WOULD WANT TO KEEP THEM SO THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. IT IS UNCONFIRMED BY THE CITY THAT WE RECEIVE THE ANNUAL REPORT EVERY YEAR. I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY DUE TO THE CHANGE IN CITY STAFF SO I WOULD AMEND THE AGREEMENT TO REQUIRE THE ANNUAL REPORT TO BE SENT TO CITY COUNCIL MANAGER AND DEVELOP AND SERVICES AND FINANCE DIRECTOR INSURING MULTIPLE INDIVIDUALS RECEIVE THE ANNUAL REPORT. THEY SAY IN THE ASSIGNED SERVICE AGREEMENT AND THEY INCLUDE FEE PAYMENTS TO THE CITY IF THE NATIONAL PLAZA TERMINATES THE AGREEMENT. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THESE SIGNED SERVICE AGREEMENTS WOULD BE SET TO FINANCE WITH QUARTERLY PAYMENTS IN THE REPORT OR THAT THE CITY COULD REQUEST A COPY OF THOSE JUST TO ENSURE THAT THEY INCLUDE THE FEE PAYMENT WILL GO TO THE CITY OF THEY DECIDE TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT. THESE ARE ALL REFERENCED WITHIN THE 2019 AGREEMENT. THERE WAS A CHANGE IN STAFF MEMBER BY NATIONAL SIGN PLAZA FOR WHO TO CONTACT WHEN MAINTENANCE WAS REQUESTED. IN EVERLY QUARTERLY PAYMENT REPORT AND ANNUAL REPORT THEY LIST WHO THE CURRENT STAFF CONTACTOR IS . CONTACT INFORMATION FOR NSP . TWO MORE. IT STATES THEY HAVE A REGULAR MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT SCHEDULE IS SO I WOULD AMEND THE AGREEMENT TO REQUIRING MAINTENANCE SCHEDULED TO BE SHARED IN THEIR ANNUAL REPORT AND LASTLY THE 2019 DID HAVE A CITY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE OLD CITY HALL ADDRESS SO JUST UPDATE THAT AS WELL. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BUT I'D HAVE TO TALK ABOUT A NUMBER OF THOSE AGREEMENTS WHICH I THINK THERE ARE-- TWO.

>> AWESOME JOB. >> PATRICK FULLER IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM AS WELL.

>> DO THEY HAVE A LIMIT THEY HAVE TO BE AWAY FROM LIKE ONE

SIGN AND THEN ANOTHER SIGN? >> 100' FROM THEIR OWN SIGNS.

>> IS THAT STANDARD? >> IT SURE DEPENDS ON WHAT THE

DIFFERENT SIGNS ARE . >> BUT THEY ARE DIRECTIONAL,

RIGHT? >> SO HOW MUCH DO YOU CHARGE FOR A PANEL? LIKE YOU CHARGE A BUSINESS?

>> FOR THE HOMEBUILDERS, IT'S $90 FOR DEVELOPERS.

>> WHAT IS IT FOR ONE OF OUR SMALL BUSINESSES?

>> THOSE ARE ACTUALLY FREE TO THE SMALL BUSINESSES. THEY JUST PAY FOR THE INITIAL PRODUCTION WHICH IS $200 AND THEN WE KEEP IT UP LIKE WE DO ALL THE OTHER PANELS FOR COSTS UNLESS IT'S OVER-- THIS GOES BACK TO THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT BACK IN 2004.

ANYTHING OVER TO PANELS, THREE OR MORE AND THEY PAY $20 A MONTH FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL PANELS. THEY ARE THE ONLY BUSINESS THAT

HAS THOSE PANELS . >> HOMEBUILDER PAYS 90 BUCKS A MONTH , YOU GIVE US 20 BUCKS OF THAT, YOU KEEP 70 BUT OUR SMALL BUSINESSES ARE ABLE TO USE-- THEY ARE USING THEIR PANELS FOR FREE? AND AM I CORRECT THAT THERE SHOULD BE A CITY COLORED

SIGN ? >> THE PANELS ARE GREEN AND

WHITE . >> I WAS THINKING THE WHOLE

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THING HAD TO BE DIFFERENT OR AM I WRONG?

>> CURRENTLY THEY ARE ALL THE SAME .

>> THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DIFFERENT COLORS, RIGHT?

>> IT'S THE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THAT THE PLAZA WILL BE--

>> THE PLAZAS ARE BLACK BUT THE LANGUAGE IN THE AGREEMENT THE MAYOR IS REFERRING TO CALLS OUT THAT DIFFERENT PLAZAS WILL BE DIFFERENT COLORS. THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT SAYS.

>> I'M NOT NECESSARILY CONCERNED BUT TO ME IF IT'S IN THE AGREEMENT I THINK YOU HAVE TO DO IT. INSTEAD OF BLACK THEY WERE LIKE BURNT ORANGE OR SOMETHING. BUT THAT'S KIND OF A HUTTO THING. MAY BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT GOING FORWARD, IT HAD TO BE BURNT ORANGE ONLY BECAUSE WE ARE CHANGING ALL OF OUR STREET, STREETLIGHTS? NAMING CONVENTIONS , THEY ARE GETTING CHANGED TO HAVE HIPPOS ON THEM?

>> ONLY THE NEW ONES. >> IS NOT JUST FOR THE CITY STRUCTURES OR TALKING ABOUT ALL THE STRUCTURES?

>> I GET OUTVOTED ALL THE TIME SO THIS MAY NEVER HAPPEN BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ANY NEW ONES PUT UP AND WHENEVER YOU COULD REPAIR THEM THEY NEED TO BE LIKE, OUR COLORS AND THEN THAT WAY -- BUT GOING BACK IN REPLACING A BUNCH--

>> WHEN WE GO BACK TO REPLACE THEM-- GO AHEAD.

>> I THINK YOU ARE REFERRING TO SECTION 11 WHICH, THE SIGN PLAZAS THEMSELVES, THE BIG SIGNS ARE BLACK BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT SIGN PANELS ON DIFFERENT COLORS IT DOES SAY THE BUILDER OR DEVELOPERS RECOGNIZE COLOR SCHEMES SO THAT'S WHY YOU WOULD HAVE HOMEBUILDER X, THEIR PANEL IS BLUE OR HOMEBUILDER WHY, THEIR PANELS ARE A DIFFERENT COLOR BECAUSE IT GOES ALONG WITH THERE'S. IT AS FAR AS THE FRAMES ITSELF, THOSE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BLACK.

>> I'M TRYING TO FIND THIS THING NOW.

>> THE PANELS ARE THE INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES AND I BELIEVE THOSE JUST GO ALONG WITH WHATEVER THE RECOGNIZE COLOR SCHEME IS .

>> IT'S LIKE THE STRUCTURE. THE FRAME IS BLACK.

>> THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT.

>> I WAS REFERRING TO THE 2019 PREVIOUS ONE.

>> WE ARE STILL USING THE 93 ONE, RIGHT?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR YOU TO DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH THE AMENDED AGREEMENT WITH ALL THE CHANGES WITH THE

RED LINE. >> AND WITH A NEW AGREEMENT.

>> MOTION MOVED BY CLARK . WHERE THE COLORS THAT, MATT?

>> THE 2019 ONE, I'M SORRY. IT'S SECTION LETTER FOR C --

IT'S SECTION 4 C 11. >> IS THAT ON -- NOT IN THE CURRENT AGREEMENT? HOMEBUILDER BLACK.

>> I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S IN THE 2019 ONE.

>> IF THEY GOT TOO CLOSE THE ONLY REASON IT BROUGHT THIS UP IS ALL OF A SUDDEN ONE POPPED UP . I THINK YOU PUT ONE OUT THERE FOR MONTHS AGO AND THAT MADE ME GO WHO IS PUTTING THESE UP AND WHAT'S THE PROCESS? WE GOT AN AGREEMENT? I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW

THAT. >> I BELIEVE THAT ONE WAS TAKEN DOWN FOR CONSTRUCTION AND WE PUT A BACKUP. TO JUST THE ONES ON 79, THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT WERE ORIGINALLY PUT IN FOR THE LOCAL BUSINESS SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S AN ADJACENT STRUCTURE.

THOSE ARE ACTUALLY PERMITTED THROUGH TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF

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TRANSPORTATION BUT ON RAILROAD PROPERTIES.

>> AS LONG AS THE AGREEMENT COMES UP DO NOT PUT ANY MORE WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION BECAUSE THE IDEA WAS TO NOT HAVE CLUTTER AND I LOOKED AT THE MAP AND SAID EVERYTHING IS EVERYWHERE. I WANT TO SEE A CLUTTER OF OTHER SIGNS BUT ANYWAY, ALL RIGHT. NO DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION OR ITEM? PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? I. COUNCIL MEMBER THORTON? I.

COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? I. COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD? I.

COMES A MEMBER THOMPSON? I. MAYOR SNYDER? I. COUNCILMEMBER

CLARK? >> PASSES 7- 0.

>> CAN GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE AGENDA IN ORDER NOW?

>> WHY SHOULD WE? >> WE ARE ALMOST DONE WITH THE

[8.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, and Area Government appointments. ]

AGENDA. >> A .1, 8.2, 9.1 .

>> CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS, REAPPOINTMENTS AND RENEWALS TO CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS , TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS, AND AREA GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS.

>> I WILL JUST SAY THAT BECAUSE OF THE EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF COUNCIL MEETINGS THIS WEEK WE STILL HAVE NOT MET-- WE HAVE ONE NEW APPLICATION, WE HAVE THREE, NOW, NEW OPENINGS AND SOME RESIGNATIONS SO WE'VE GOT WORK TO DO. I WOULD LIKE TO STAY . IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN APPLYING, WE'VE GOT SOME ROOM.

SO WE ARE GOING TO START WORKING THROUGH THOSE AND GET THROUGH

THEM. >> CAN WE GET A REPORT AT THE NEXT MEETING ON THE ATTENDANCE OF EVERYBODY ON THE BOARDS? I'VE BEEN TOLD OF A COUPLE BOARDS WHERE BECAUSE WE PREVIOUSLY RENEWED -- REMOVED PEOPLE FROM MISSING TOO MUCH TIME I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AGAIN FOR ALL THE BOARDS AND SINCE WE HAVE ALREADY SET THE STANDARD, I FORGOT WHAT THE COLLEGE IS BUT IF YOU MISS MORE THAN FIVE MEETINGS YOU GET REMOVED POTENTIALLY . I AM TOLD OF A BOARD THAT WE ARE HAVING ATTENDANCE ISSUES THAT MAY BE AS TEMPORARY OR MAYBE AN ISSUE.

>> I WILL HAVE THE SECRETARY COLLECT THAT FROM LIAISONS AND WE CAN SEND IT OUT IN AN EMAIL TO COUNCIL.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW THE VACANCIES?

>> SURE. >> ETHICS AND --

>> -- NUMBER ONE, Z BOA , AND OPENING ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

>> THEY HAVE ONE OR TWO? >> I THOUGHT HBC HAD A RESIGNATION AS WELL? SAW THAT ONE, CROSS.

>> CBA, HBC, ETHICS, PLANNING AND ZONING .

[8.2. Consideration and possible action regarding recommendations from City Council sub-committees (i.e. Legislative, HISD). ]

>> ITEM 8.2 CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RECOMMENDATIONS FROM CITY COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEES .

>> WE HAD THE ONE LEGISLATIVE -- IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING.

>> LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE, IS THAT WHAT WE CALL OURSELVES? HAS NOT MET OF COURSE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON IN THE MOTION EARLIER STATED A LEGISLATIVE INTENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AFFIRMING STATE LAW TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE OCCURRED. IN THE CITY . AND MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON HAS

FOLLOWED UP AS WELL. >> ITEM 9.1 CERTIFIED LOCAL

[9.1. Certified Local Government (CLG) Presentation and Recommendation (Kristi Barnes, Ashley Bailey) ]

GOVERNMENT PRESENTATION RECOMMENDATION. SHE SAYS HOLY

COW THEY FINALLY MADE IT. >> YOU WERE THE FIRST ONE AND

NOW YOU'RE THE LAST. >> NOT LAST .

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. A BIT OF CONTEXT.

CHRISTIE BARNES FOR THE RECORD, COMMUNITY AND CULTURE OFFICER .

I ALSO HAVE ASHLEY BAILEY HERE WHO WILL BE POPPING IN AND JUST A SECOND. SO A BIT OF CONTEXT ON THIS ITEM . BACK AT THE , I BELIEVE DECEMBER 5 WORK SECTION -- WORK SESSION IS WHEN WE HAD

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THE DENTON ASSOCIATION COME AND GIVE THEIR REPORT ON THE DOWNTOWN ASSESSMENT. WHAT WE ARE PRESENTING TODAY IS AN ACTION ITEM GIVEN BY COUNCIL TO COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATION ON BECOMING A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT, AS WELL AS THE SECOND ACTION ITEM THAT CAME FROM THAT WORK SESSION WAS TO BRING FORWARD A DOWNTOWN - SPECIFIC POSITION DURING THE FY 26 BUDGET PROCESS. AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, IT SHOULD BE PRETTY QUICK. YOU WILL NOTICE THE RECOMMENDATION TOWARD THE END. SO MOVING THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICKLY AS YOU DO HAVE THIS IN YOUR PACKET , ABOUT THE PROGRAM, IT IS ADMINISTERED BY THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION UNDER THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACT OF 1966. THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION ALSO RECEIVES THE MAIN STREET PROGRAM AND A LOT OF OTHER PROGRAMS AS WELL. THIS ALIGNS LOCAL PRIORITIES WITH RECOGNIZED HISTORIC PRESERVATION STANDARDS AND PROVIDES FINANCIAL AND TECHNICAL SERVICES TO PROTECT HISTORIC RESOURCES. THROUGH THE RESEARCH WE HAVE FOUND THAT THE KEY BENEFITS OF BECOMING A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS THAT ONE, GIVES ACCESS TO FUNDING TO INCLUDE GRANTS THROUGH PLANS, OUTREACH AND REHABILITATION . TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, AND THAT AGAIN IS THROUGH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION . TRAINING AND EDUCATION TO INCLUDE WORKSHOPS FOR NOT ONLY STAFF BUT ALSO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER AND COMMISSION MEMBERS, AS WELL.

SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION. AND THEN AS WELL AS -- NETWORKING AND LEADERSHIP AND THEN CONNECTIONS WITH OTHER SEE LG COMMUNITIES. A FEW OF THOSE ARE ROUND ROCK, SAN MARCUS, NEW BRAUNFELS, FREDERICKSBURG, AUSTIN, AND SEVERAL OTHERS . THIS IS REALLY SMALL . KEY REQUIREMENTS I BELIEVE WE ARE ALREADY DOING OR ARE IN THE PROCESS OF, BUT ADOPTING A LOCAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, ESTABLISH A HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION WHICH WE HAVE , APPOINT A HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER WHICH WE DO HAVE ONE ON STAFF I BELIEVE , SURVEY AND INVENTORY HISTORIC PROPERTIES WHICH WE HAVE SOME ON FILE WHEN WE APPLIED TO BECOME A MAIN STREET CITY IN 2017 SO WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE RECORDS ALREADY. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND TRANSPARENCY. WE WOULD NEED TO DO SOME PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND ANNUAL REPORTING AND COMPLIANCE.

TO REITERATE THAT LAST BULLET, THIS WOULD BE A PROGRAM THAT WOULD REQUIRE OVERSIGHT AND REPORTING. SO IT WOULD TAKE SOMEONE TO SUBMIT REPORTS TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND GIVE UPDATES AND WHAT NOT. SO STEPS TO APPLY FOR THE CERTIFICATION , PREPARE THE APPLICATION MATERIALS AND YOU CAN READ THROUGH THOSE. AGAIN, WE HAVE SOME OF THESE ALREADY IN PLACE. SUBMIT THE APPLICATION THROUGH THC AND ACHIEVE THE CERTIFICATION THROUGH THE NATIONAL PARKS SERVICE , WHO DOES PROVIDE THE FINAL APPROVAL . IMPLEMENTATION AND NEXT STEPS.

DURING THE JANUARY 29 HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION , WE DID PRESENT THERE, AND THIS EXACT SAME PRESENTATION TO HPC WITH OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION. I WILL LET ASHLEY SPEAK MORE TO THAT.

DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT NOW?

>> GOOD EVENING AGAIN MAYOR AND COUNCIL. ASHLEY BAILEY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. WHEN WE PREVENT PRESENTED THIS, THEY WERE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE IDEA OF PURSUING THIS IN PART BECAUSE IT HAS REALLY HELPED OUR ENTIRE HISTORIC DISTRICT AS WELL AS THE DOWNTOWN . OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT IS MUCH LARGER THAN JUST DOWNTOWN BUT ALSO HAVING ADDITIONAL STAFF THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP OVERSEE THIS PROGRAM AS WELL AS BE THE LIAISON FOR ALL OF THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. I THINK WE HAD FIVE MEMBERS AND UNANIMOUS IN FAVOR OF THIS.

>> THANK YOU. WE WOULD NEED TO ENSURE THAT THE COMPLIANCE , THAT THE ORDINANCE IS UP-TO-DATE WITH REQUIREMENTS WHICH WOULD BE A PROCESS IF WE BEGIN THE APPLICATION PROCESS. STAFFING

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AND APPOINTMENTS, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND SUBMIT THE COMPLETED APPLICATION. OVERALL, I KNOW THAT WAS QUICK BUT OUR OVERALL RECOMMENDATION AS STAFF IS TO PROCEED WITH APPLYING FOR THE CERTIFICATION IS AN ADDITIONAL POSITION OR FTE CAN BE ADDED FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026. THIS POSITION WOULD ADMINISTER THE COG PROGRAM AS WELL AS OVERSEE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE DOWNTOWN - SPECIFIC FOCUS OF THE 20/40 COMP PLAN. THIS WOULD ENSURE ADEQUATE RESOURCES AND DEDICATED OVERSIGHT TO BOTH THE COG PROGRAM AND DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES WHICH WOULD THEN ALIGN WITH GUIDANCE ON MAINTAINING COMPLIANCE AND SUSTAINABILITY. THAT IS ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION. OPEN TO ANY

QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. SO WITH THE SMALL DOWNTOWN MY ONE QUESTION IS I UNDERSTAND THAT WE MAY NEED TO HAVE A PERSON, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A LARGE ENOUGH THING FOR IT TO CONSUME THE ENTIRE FTE. IN ADDITION TO THESE TWO THINGS THEY WOULD DO WHAT ELSE WITH THAT PERSON DO FOR THEIR

JOB? >> THE POSITION WE ARE RECOMMENDING, AND AGAIN THIS WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME FROM YOU, COUNCILMEMBER CLARK, FROM THE WORK SESSION. YOU RECOMMEND THAT WE COME BACK WITH A POSITION THAT WOULD HELP OVERSEE THE DOWNTOWN - SPECIFIC PROGRAM. SO KIND OF, AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE RESEARCH, COME TO FIND THE PROGRAM WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A PERSON TO ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM. I AM BRINGING THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER AND THAT IS HOW WE CAME UP WITH THAT. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THE DOWNTOWN POSITION OR WHAT HAVE YOU, WHATEVER THE NAME WOULD BE OF THAT MAY NOT BE DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC BUT THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT WOULD INCLUDE GRANTS AND OTHER REPORTING . AND DOWNTOWN COORDINATION IS A LOT MORE THAN JUST THE PHYSICAL DOWNTOWN THAT YOU SEE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY INCLUDE THINGS LIKE ANY EVENTS THAT TAKE PLACE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA . THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS COORDINATION I BELIEVE WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER. THERE'S A DIFFERENT-- DEPENDING ON DIRECTION OF COUNCIL THAT WE

COULD UMBRELLA THAT UNDER . >> THANKS. I LIKE IT. I DO SHARE THE CONCERNS WITH COUNCILMEMBER CLARK . WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS BEFORE WE HAVE COME UP WITH A POSITION --

>> I'M LAUGHING BECAUSE I WAS THINKING PARKING ENFORCEMENT.

NAILED IT. >> EVEN A BROKEN CLOCK IS CORRECT TWICE A DAY. WHAT I AM MORE THINKING IS , WE REEVALUATE SOME OF THE THINGS WE ARE DOING AND DON'T NECESSARILY NEED A NEW FTE BUT MAYBE WE CAN REASSIGN SOME THINGS BECAUSE MAYBE THERE ARE THINGS WE HAVE PEOPLE DOING THAT TO THIS POINT, DOWNTOWN IS NOT REAL BIG TODAY. WE'VE ADDED A PARKING GARAGE AND A COUPLE MORE PEOPLE STARTED MOVING IN AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WHAT I SEE IS IT BEING LIKE ROUND ROCK . YOU'D ALMOST HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE DOWN THERE BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH STUFF GOING ON ALL THE TIME THAT SOMEONE HAS TO FIELD ALL THE INTEREST. ASHLEY CAN'T HANDLE ALL THE ITEMS THAT COME UP , BUT RIGHT NOW IT MAY BE UNTIL WE GET SOME MOMENTUM GOING. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE MOMENTUM START. I THINK THIS IS A PIECE OF IT BUT MAYBE INITIALLY IT IS SOMEBODY DOING SOMETHING AND MAYBE THE DBH A , DID I SAY THAT RIGHT?

>> DOWNTOWN HUTTO. >> MAYBE THEY CAN SOMEHOW INITIALLY BEFORE WE HIRE SOMEONE MAYBE THEY CAN BE INVOLVED. IT IS THERE DOWNTOWN AND MY GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN A DOWNTOWN ORGANIZATION THAT TAKE CARE CLASH TRASH CANS, CLEAN THINGS UP, THEY HANG UP THEIR OWN LIGHTS. PROBABLY EARLY ON THAT.

BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US.

>> I AM LESS CONCERNED ABOUT COMMITTING TO HIRE A PERSON. FOR ME, I AM FINE WITH YOU ADDING IT IN AS AN ASK AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THE DETAILS WHEN WE GET INTO THE DETAILED DISCUSSION OF WHAT ARE BEING ASKED FOR. BECAUSE YOU'RE ASKING FOR IT FOR NEXT YEAR. YOU PROBABLY WOULD NOT HIRE THEM ON DAY ONE.

YOU ARE LOOKING AT HIRING THIS PERSON A YEAR DOWN THE ROAD SO IT IS A WAYS AWAY AND IF WE WORK TOWARDS IT, IF YOU DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND FLESH OUT WHAT THIS JOB DESCRIPTION WOULD ENTAIL AND

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HOW YOU CAN INCORPORATE OTHER JOB DUTIES INTO THIS TO HELP JUSTIFY IT WHEN WE ARE DISCUSSING IT IN THE BUDGET AND THEN ALSO THE PART THAT I LOVE ABOUT IT IS THAT THEY CAN OFFSET THEIR SALARY BY GETTING GRANTS.

>> THANKS FOR HANGING OUT WITH US TONIGHT. I THINK WE'VE MADE IT. HOPE WE MADE IT ENTERTAINING IF YOU WANT TO DO ANOTHER ONE.

>> NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 10.2? >> I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE

THEM-- >> AND A RECOMMENDATION.

>> THEIR RECOMMENDATION. >> SO WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE

ACTION? >> I THINK WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION AND YOU WILL SEE THE BUDGET REQUEST.

>> I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE APPLICATION WAS GOING TO GO

FORWARD. >> I HAD MY MICROPHONE OFF. I THINK WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION BECAUSE THAT IS

THE NEXT STEPS. >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO WAIT FOR THE BUDGET BEFORE SUBMITTING

THE APPLICATION. >> WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THE APPLICATION, MOVING FORWARD ARE WAITING?

>> SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE TELLING ME TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE

APPLICATION, SIR. >> THERE'S NOT ACTION ON THIS .

PRESENTATION RECOMMENDATION BY STAFF. THERE'S NOTHING LABELED

[10.2 Conduct a public hearing and consider possible action on Ordinance No. O-2025-008 adopting the 2024 Building Code, Residential Code, Fire Code, Mechanical Code, Plumbing Code, Fuel Gas Code, Energy Conservation Code, Property Maintenance Code, Existing Building Code and 2023 National Electric Codes. (Ashley Bailey) ]

FOR US TO ACT SO WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 10.2 WILL BE A GOOD ONE. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER O - 2025 - 008 ADOPTING THE BUILDING CORD, RESIDENTIAL CODE, FIRE CODE, FUNDING CODE, FUEL GAS CODE, ENERGY CONSERVATION CODE, POVERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, EXISTING BUILDING CODE AND THE 2023

NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODES. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THE ITEM IN FRONT OF YOU AS YOU HAVE JUST DESCRIBED IS ADOPTING THE 2024 SET OF ICC CODES AND THE 2023 NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE. TO POINT OUT, THIS DOES ALSO INCLUDE THE 2024 FIRE CODE THAT IS WHAT THE ESD HAS ALREADY PASSED WITH LOCAL AMENDMENTS AS WELL. YOU HAVE ALL OF THE RED LINES AND WE CANNOT GIVE YOU THE CHAPTER COMPLETELY. ALSO WE ARE LOOKING AT ADOPTING THE NORTH TEXAS COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS. ESSENTIALLY THEIR LOCAL AMENDMENTS AND IT IS WHAT IS TYPICALLY DONE. WHEN THE ITEM TOOK LONGER TO GET HERE CERTAINLY IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS WE CAN FOLLOW BACK UP. THE 2024 SET OF CODES IS ALSO TO GET IN LINE WITH THE ESD BECAUSE THEY HAVE ADOPTED THE FIRE CODE AND THEY ARE VERY MUCH HAND IN HAND. WITH THAT I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS

. >> THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS WE ARE NOT WRITING OUR OWN CODE. WE ARE ADOPTING NEWER VERSIONS OF CURRENT CODE. I GUESS WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO THAT AND IT'S MORE OF LIKE A NATIONAL-- NATIONAL OR STATE LEVEL CODES.

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> WE HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> AND THEN THERE WAS ONE , I DO HAVE ONE MORE AMENDMENT THAT WOULD JUST CHANGE THE PROPERTY CODE TO ALSO STATE THAT PROPERTY MAINTENANCE INCLUDES COMPLIANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN IS DEFINED BY THE UDC 2020 ADDITION AS AMENDED BUT FOR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE IT ALSO THEN SAYS IT IS ALL THESE LIFE SAFETY THINGS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT HAS BEEN A CONCERN WITH AREAS OUT OF COMPLIANCE. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TEETH THERE. I CAN READ

THAT AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> WE OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 11:34 30 4 PM. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? JIM? ALL RIGHT, WE WILL CLOSE. THE PUBLIC HEARING 11:34 .

>> I CAN READ THE AMENDMENT. SECTION 101 OF THE SCOPE OF THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE TO INCLUDE THE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS

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IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE OWNER AND SUCCESSORS TO THE CURRENT OWNER TO ENSURE THE PROPERTY AND IMPROVEMENTS ARE MAINTAINED IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE UNIFIED

DEVELOPMENT CODE 2020 ADDITION. >> I WILL APPROVE IT WITH THAT

CHANGE. >> MOVED BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. HEARING

NONE PLEASE CALL THE VOTE . >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? I.

COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? I. COUNCIL MEMBER COURT? I. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? I. COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? I. COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD? I. MAYOR SNYDER? I.

[12.1. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2025-010 amending Appendix A of the Code of Ordinances — Fee Schedule, Article A4.001 Facilities and Equipment Rental for fees associated with the use of the Gin Building. (Kate Moriarty) ]

>> MOTION PASSES 7- 0. IF MY RECORDS ARE CORRECT THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 12.1 . CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION FOR 0 -2 2025 - 010 AMENDING APPENDIX A OF THE FEE SCHEDULE . FACILITIES AND EQUIPMENT RENTAL FOR FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THE USAGE OF THE

GYM BUILDING. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS IS A FOLLOW-UP FROM A COUNCIL REQUESTED ITEM BACK IN NOVEMBER AND A PARTIAL FOLLOW-UP FROM AN ITEM THAT WAS BEFORE YOU IN JANUARY. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO NARROW THE SCOPE OF WHAT WAS SPECIFICALLY PRESENTED IN THE FEE SCHEDULE. AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING THERE WERE CONCERNS MENTIONED ABOUT THE FACILITY USAGE AND SPECIFICALLY THAT STAFF IS WORKING ON MATURING THE FACILITY USE AGREEMENT. THERE ARE DEPOSITS REQUIRED . THE FARMERS MARKET IS NOT NECESSARILY A PRIVATE PARTY, IT IS EFFECTIVELY THE SAME THING. I WOULD KINDLY ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER EITHER MAKING THEM BOTH $30 DEPOSITS OR BOTH $50 DEPOSITS TO PREVENT ANY FUTURE CONFUSION THAT WOULD OCCUR AND WITH THAT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

>> PEOPLE ARE LINED UP READY TO RUN. I AM NOT PUTTING IT ON. SO AN ANIME GUY THAT WANTS TO PUT ON A REGULAR ANIME EVENT AND APPARENTLY I AM TOO OLD FOR THIS BUT IT'S A PRETTY POPULAR THING. THERE'S A TEQUILA FESTIVAL THAT WANTS TO MOVE FROM HAVING SOMETHING IN-- TO HAVING SOMETHING IN HUTTO AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE LITERALLY LOOKING FOR THIS TO GET PAST SO WE CAN START BOOKING. I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN WANTING TO COME HERE AND HOW IMPORTANT THAT BUILDING IS SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK .

>> I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION. IS THERE A REASON WHY ON THE CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKET YOU DID NOT KEEP , SAY, 200 DEPOSIT ACROSS THE BOARD FOR THAT ONE? IN THEORY THE SAME AMOUNT OF CLEANUP OR WHATEVER THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED, IT'S NOT LIKE THE MONEY IS LOST . IT'S NOT AN OVERDUE BURDEN SO I DON'T KNOW WHY IF YOU HAVE A DEPOSIT YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO MAKE SURE IT IS MAINTAINED. ONCE YOU DO AN INITIAL DEPOSIT THEY COULD KEEP IT ON FILE FOR THE CITY UNLESS YOU CAN TELL ME A REASON I WOULD WANT TO CHANGE THE DEPOSIT. WHETHER IT WAS PRIVATE OR CORPORATE AND NOT DO 400, BUT 200 FOR THE FARMERS MARKET . I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S $30 FOR ANY OTHER USE.

>> THERE HAS ONLY BEEN ONE THAT HAS BEEN EAGER AND VERY CLEAR ABOUT CONVEYING THEIR FINANCIAL SITUATION AND BEING A NONPROFIT.

THE INTENTION WAS TO MAKE THAT AS ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE BUT SHOULD COUNCIL WANT TO CHANGE THAT AND HOLD IT FOR ANY FUTURE

NEEDS -- >> WHEN WE PAY A DEPOSIT DO WE CASH THE CHECK AND CUT THEM A CHECK BACK WHEN THEY CLEANUP OR

HOLD THE CHECK? >> FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WE HOLD THEM A LOT OF -- A LOT OF THOSE SPECIFIED FOR FACILITY RENTALS AND UPON THE PARKS CREW, EVALUATING THE SPACE IN DETERMINING WHAT TRASH PICKUP NEEDS TO OCCUR WILL RELEASE THE DIFFERENCE . LIKE THE ACTUAL COST RENTAL VERSUS THE DEPOSIT

THAT THEY PAID. >> SO DO WE ACTUALLY-- IF THEY PUT A $200 DEPOSIT WE TAKE IT OUT OF THEIR BANK ACCOUNT?

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>> I BELIEVE SO. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE.

>> THAT'S WHITE WOULD BE BURDEN IS FOR THEM. OUR THOUGHT IS THAT THEY WOULD GIVE A DEPOSIT LIKE THEY WRITE A CHECK . IT JUST SITS THERE AND ONLY GETS CACHED IF THEY DON'T CLEAN UP.

>> I BELIEVE BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS AUTOMATED AND AT THE TIME OF BOOKING YOU PUT IN A SPECIFIC, WHETHER IT'S A CARD OR PAYMENT

AUTHORIZATION ELECTRONICALLY . >> AND THEN THEY GET A REFUND

LATER ON? >> WHAT IS A NONPROFIT GENERAL

MARKET? >> THAT WAS MEANT TO BE A MIX OF A BUCKET THERE. WE DO HAVE A MARKET HERE IN TOWN THAT IS ALSO VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE GYM OPENING BACK UP BUT THEY ARE NOT A CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKET. THEY ARE A MARKET-BASED OUT OF HUTTO THAT HOUSES SEVERAL HUTTO SPECIFIC VENDORS SO AND INTENT TO PRIORITIZE THE KIND OF COMMUNAL ASPECT , THE INTENTION WAS TO CATEGORIZE NONPROFITS AND ALSO THOSE MARKETS THAT MAY BE HUTTO BASE BUT ARE NOT A CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKET. STILL INCENTIVIZING THE COMMUNAL OPPORTUNITY.

>> LET'S SAY I HAD A BUSINESS WHERE I RENTED IT FOR $25 BUT THEN I CHARGED OTHER PEOPLE MONEY TO THEN PARTICIPATE, I WOULD NO LONGER BE A NONPROFIT RIGHT?

>> NOT NECESSARILY. BECAUSE NONPROFITS CAN CHARGE TO DO

THINGS. >> THERE ARE SOME BUSINESS ENTITIES THAT THIS IS A PROPHET DEAL AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. KEEP HUTTO BEAUTIFUL IS DOING A LITTLE DEAL . IT'S FROM HIGH SCHOOL ARE ABLE TO SELL STUFF THE BUSINESS PLAN IS TO RENT EVERY SPACE FOR 50 IN A WAY I'D RATHER NOT CHARGE ANY AND BE COMPLETELY FREE TO WHERE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IT'S FREE VERSUS SOMEONE COMING IN, LOCKING IT UP FOR $25 A WEEK AND MAKING FIVE OR SIX DOLLARS OFF OF EVERYBODY ELSE.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS WITH FARMERS MARKETS. THAT'S HOW THEY OPERATE AND THAT'S HOW THEY EXIST. I DON'T SEE THAT --

>> THAT'S HOW THE EXISTS BUT IF THEY MADE THIS FREE AND IT

DIDN'T COST ANY MONEY-- >> THEY STILL CHARGE VENDORS TO

BE A PART OF THE MARKET? >> TO WHERE PEOPLE AREN'T

MAKING $1000 A WEEK . >> WHAT DO WE CARE IF THEY ARE,

IF THEY ARE NONPROFIT? >> BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SOMEONE ELSE THAT COMES IN AND SAYS I WANT TO DO IT FOR FREE. I WANT TO ORGANIZE THIS FOR FREE AND FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO BE THERE FOR FREE. WHY SHOULD ONE PEOPLE GET TO COME IN AND-- WHEN WE ARE REDUCING THE RATE TO GET SOMETHING TO GO-- WE REDUCE THE RATE ON A PAVILION SO THAT I COULD RENT THE PAVILION AND MAKE MONEY BY HIM CHARGING OTHER PEOPLE?

>> IS YOUR MAIN CONCERN ABOUT THE SHARK ATTACK TYPE OF CONCEPT TO WHERE I SEE THIS IS PRETTY CHEAP TO RENT SO I'M JUST GOING TO RENT IT EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK AND RUN A BUSINESS OUT OF IT, NOT A NONPROFIT OR ANYTHING ELSE?

>> THE WHOLE POINT OF REDUCING IT WAS TO HELP SMALL BUSINESS BUT IF WE HELP ONE BY THEN MAKING MONEY AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS PAYING , FOR 15 BUCKS IT'S NOT WORTH SCREWING WITH YOU.

JUST CERTIFY AND THEY GET IT FREE. OR WE COULD JUST SAY IT COULD BE A PUBLIC THING. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CHARGE MORE THAN $10 PER BOOTH AND FOR THEM IT'S LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE, I DON'T MIND PEOPLE PAYING SOME TO MAKE IT WORTH THE TIME TO DO IT BUT IF YOU PACK IN 20 PEOPLE PAYING 50 BUCKS TO GET IN AND SOMEONE TAKES $1000 AND WE REDUCE IT TO 25, THAT SEEMS--

>> THAT'S THE GOVERNMENT TRYING TO-- THE BUILDING.

>> WHATEVER I'M TRYING TO SAY, IT'S ALMOST MIDNIGHT.

>> THE CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKET IS THE HOURLY RATE .

>> A NONPROFIT GENERAL MARKET 25 AND 50 , THAT SHOULD ALSO BE HOURLY. BUT IT DOES NOT SAY THAT.

>> IC. THAT COULD BE 24 HOURS. >> GOING BACK TO WHAT MIKE IS SAYING, IF IT'S $25 AN HOUR AND THEY ARE THERE FOR THREE HOURS AND AT 75 BUCKS IT'S NOT $25. TO YOUR POINT I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY BUT IT'S $25 AN HOUR.

>> WE REDUCE THE PRICES IN THE AMPHITHEATER SEVERAL YEARS AGO

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TO MAKE IT MORE INVITING. WOULD NO ONE ON THE COUNCIL GET MAD IF I WENT OUT AND RENTED IT FOR $2000 AND FLIPPED IT TO SOMEONE ELSE FOR $4000 ON A GOOD WEEKEND? THAT WOULDN'T BOTHER ANYBODY? OR WOULD YOU SAY WE HAVE THINGS PRICED A CERTAIN WAY IN AND EFFORT TO SPUR CERTAIN THINGS NOT TO HAVE PEOPLE COME IN AND TAKE ADVANTAGE . THE THING ABOUT GOVERNMENT OVERREACH, IT'S A GOVERNMENT BUILDING PAID FOR BY TAXPAYERS.

MY REASON FOR THAT BEING A FARMERS MARKET WAS SO THAT PEOPLE COULD OPERATE FOR FREE OR A VERY MINIMAL COST. THEY PAY MONEY TO BE LICENSED WITH THE CITY SO THEY KNOW WHO IS THERE BUT IF THEY HAVE TO PAY 50 BUCKS A WEEK TO BE THERE--

>> THE MARKET DICTATES THAT BECAUSE IF I WERE SELLING SOMETHING MAYBE I WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY $35 TO SHOW UP.

THEY DO ALL THE CLEANUP AND I AM PAYING EXTRA BUT THEN WE ARE PUTTING IT ON THAT. THEN THEY WILL NOT BE RENTING IT FOR A WHOLE DAY BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO SPEND $1000 AND NOT HAVE BOOTHS RENTED. SO I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT THE MARKET WILL DETERMINE IF IT'S AN ISSUE.

>> THE RESOLUTION BROUGHT AT THE END OF JANUARY DID SPECIFY THAT A CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKET CAN ENTER INTO A LONG-STANDING AGREEMENT WHICH COULD AFFECT THE RATE THEY ARE PAYING. THAT RATE COULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THIS $15 AN HOUR RATE. THIS WOULD BE MORE SO FOR YOUR CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKETS THAT

ARE NOT OCCURRING REGULARLY . >> I AM NOT SO MUCH WORRIED ABOUT THIS FARMERS MARKET BUT THE NONPROFIT GENERAL MARKET , WHAT STARTS ME FROM DOING A FLEAMARKET? COULD I NOT BOOK THIS? IF YOU SAY YES I WILL FIRST-- VOTE FOR IT. BUT DON'T-- ON THE AGENDA WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE MAYOR BOOKED EVERY SATURDAY AFTERNOON FOR THE NEXT YEAR BECAUSE I 25 BUCKS--

>> I WILL USE MY DISCRETION AND SAY NO.

>> I COULD OPERATE A FLEAMARKET AND IT COSTS ME $45.

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE PROBLEM YOU'RE TRYING TO SOLVE BECAUSE WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE AT FIRST IS, I DON'T WANT THE ORGANIZER OF THE FARMERS MARKET TO BE ABLE TO CHARGE THE PEOPLE BOOTH RENTALS BUT THAT IS HOW THEY EVEN EXIST.

THAT'S WHAT NOT WHAT YOU'RE AFTER. WHAT YOU'RE AFTER IS I DON'T WANT JAMES ESQUIRE LLC NONPROFIT WHATEVER TO GO BOOK IT FOR 50 BUCKS FOR THE TWO HOURS AND THEN BOOK ANOTHER EVENT THAT IS NOT NONPROFIT FOR $5000 BECAUSE IT'S A COOL FACILITY AND I AM JUST PROFITING OFF OF FLIPPING THE SPACE. IS THAT WE

WERE WORRIED ABOUT? >> I SEE A LOT OF FARMERS MARKETS AND THERE ARE SOME WHERE IT'S NOT REAL FANCY BUT IT'S A PLYWOOD THING, IT'S ALL BUILT OUT AND PEOPLE GET TO SHOW UP AND USE IT AND THEY JUST USE IT AND THAT'S THE FARMERS MARKET.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TOWARDS. I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY BEING CHARGED TO HELP WITH UPKEEP BUT I DID NOT THINK WE WERE GOING TO A POINT WHERE I CAN ALL OF A SUDDEN BOOK IT FOR $15 AN HOUR, GET 25 PEOPLE IN IT, AND BECOME A BUSINESS FOR MYSELF BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU, I'M NOT SOLVING A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T EXIST. I'M SOLVING A PROBLEM THAT CURRENTLY IS EXISTING THAT WILL HAPPEN . THIS THING WOULD BE BOOKED NONSTOP.

THERE WOULD BE A FLEAMARKET EVERY DAY BECAUSE YOU'D ESSENTIALLY, YOU ARE SUBSIDIZING ALL THAT AND TO THINK IT WON'T

HAPPEN-- >> FOR EVERY DAY THEY ARE BOOKED THEY ARE ALSO PAYING A $200 DEPOSIT?

>> 50 PEOPLE PAYING 25 BUCKS, I GOT THAT DEPOSIT BACK.

>> LET'S JUST MAKE AN EXEMPTION OF WHERE--

>> WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE? I AM SO CONFUSED.

>> THE WAY THAT I UNDERSTAND IT MAYOR PRO TEM, AND I'M GOING TO LEAVE THE FARMERS MARKET PART OUT OF IT BECAUSE I HONESTLY

DON'T THINK THAT -- >> LET ME TRY AGAIN. I WANT TO HAVE A KNICKKNACK FLEAMARKET. YOU CAN BUY TENNIS SHOES OR BELTS, WHATEVER. THE WAY THAT THIS IS SET UP, GO ONLINE, PUT MY $200 DEPOSIT IN FOR A PRIVATE PARTY AND I HOPE THE HIPPO FOUNDATION. THIS WILL GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION. I HELP THE HIPPO FOUNDATION TO BOOK IT FOR $25 AN HOUR. FOR $100 I GET TO HAVE IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY ON A SATURDAY. I THEN GO AT IT AND START PLASTERING ALL OVER FACEBOOK. COME DOWN TO THE MARKET AND WE HAVE 30 BOOTH RENTALS AVAILABLE. I RENT THOSE FOR 50 BUCKS APIECE. SO NOW I HAVE JUST MADE $1000 ON A $75

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INVESTMENT AND I HAVE GONE AND BOOKED IT SOLID BECAUSE I JUST START BOOKING IT WHEREVER I CAN BECAUSE IT IS NOW A BUSINESS. I JUST THINK THAT IS NOT WHAT WE SHOULD BE USING THAT BUILDING FOR. WE SHOULD BE DOING IT TO HELP PEOPLE GET STARTED IN THEIR BUSINESS, I DON'T MIND IF THE MIKE SNYDER MAKES A LITTLE BIT FOR THE TIME AND EFFORT IN THE ISSUES BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF LIMIT TO MAYBE WHERE IF IT IS POSTED IN MY MIND AND EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU CAN'T CHARGE 50 BUCKS, THERE'S A LIMIT OF 15 BUCKS , BUT IF YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM, DON'T GET MAD AT ME IF FIRST-- IS FIRST THING TOMORROW MORNING I BOOKED THIS SUCKER BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY. I KNOW A FEW NONPROFITS AND ONE IS AN ANIME SHOW THAT FOR 75 BUCKS YOU CAN DO ANYTHING AND RENT IT OUT TO PEOPLE I DON'T THINK THAT'S

WHAT WE INTENDED. >> WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHY WOULD ANYONE -- IF YOU ARE GOING TO BOOK IT, YOU ARE THE NONPROFIT AND YOU'RE GOING TO BOOK IT, YOU'RE GOING TO BOOK IT FOR YOUR OWN DANG THING. YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO BOOK IT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE. THAT WOULD BE AGAINST WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. ISN'T THAT PART OF THE WHOLE THING? IF IT'S BOOKING IT FOR THE FARMERS MARKET IN THE FARMERS MARKET IS THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO USE A. IF WE HAVE SOMEONE GOING IN AS A FARMERS MARKET AND BOOKING IT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE AND TRYING TO MAKE A PROFIT AND THEY ARE REBOOKING IT FOR AN ANIME THING THAT'S A LOT MORE MONEY WHEN WE DENY THAT AND SO YOU CAN'T USE IT BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT USING IT FOR THE PURPOSE YOU SAID IT WAS?

>> NONPROFIT GENERAL MARKETS. >> THEY HAVE TO SAY WHAT THEY

ARE GOING TO USE IT FOR. >> I DON'T THINK SO FRANKLY . I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT IS SET UP THAT THEY CAN APPROVE. IF THEY HAVE GONE AND RENTED IT, I DON'T KNOW IF THE SYSTEM WILL LET YOU DO IT BUT LET'S SEE THE SYSTEM WILL LET YOU BOOK EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR AND YOU BOOK IT EVERY DAY OF THE

YEAR . >> I CAN BOOK AND GET WITH THE NONPROFIT. BOOKING THE NONPROFIT AT $25 AN HOUR, I CAN BOOK IT FOR FIVE HOURS ON A SATURDAY FOR $125 WITH A $200 DEPOSIT.

YOU CAN HAVE THIS CORNER. YOU CAN SELL THIS. YOU CAN GO HERE. I CAN DO THAT, RIGHT?

>> UNDER THAT WAY THAT IT'S STRUCTURED RIGHT NOW, YOU COULD. AT LEAST ONCE.

>> IF NO ONE HAS AN ISSUE WITH THAT, IT'S GOING TO BE BOOKED QUICK. CAN NOW BOOK A PLACE NEX NOTHING AND MAKE MONEY OFF OF AREAS NEXT TO IT. THAT'S A PRETTY BIG SPACE.

>> WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT REBOOKING.

>> WELL.

>> THAT'S WHAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS.

>> THIS IS CRAZY.

>> IT'S ALSO MIDNIGHT ALMOST, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SWINDLING AND HUSTLING A NONPROFIT GENERAL MARKET AT OUR JEN BUILDING.

>> I THOUGHT THE REASON FOR HAVING A REALLY LOW PRICE FOR THE FARMERS MARKET IS WE WERE TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE FARMERS MARKETS. LIKE WE WANTED TO ENCOURAGE THAT USE FOR THIS FACILITY. AND SO IF A CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKET WANTS TO COME IN AND PAY $15 AN HOUR AND THEY CHARGE $30 AND HOUR OR $50 FOR THE BOOTH, OR WHATEVER IT IS, THAT'S GREAT, BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS PROVIDING A SERVICE AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CITIZENS.

>> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT --

>> HOLD ON. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING IS PROVIDING A SERVICE THAT OUR SYSTEMS WOULDN'T HAVE.

I KNOW IF YOU GO TO A NONPROFIT GENERAL MARKET AND GO TO A REGULAR NONCERTIFIED, LET'S SAY FOR INSTANCE THE FARMERS MARKET THAT'S CURRENTLY AT THE CHURCH. LET'S SAY THEY WANT TO START USING THIS, AND THEY'RE A GENERAL MARKET. THEY'RE NOT A CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKET, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE. LET'S SAY THEY WOULD FALL UNDER THE NONPROFIT GENERAL MARKET AND THEY WANT TO BOOK IT FOR $25 AN HOUR FOR THE FIVE HOURS, AND THEN THEY'RE CHARGING THEIR PEOPLE $75 A BOOTH, WHY IS THAT A PROBLEM?

>> IT SOUNDS CRAZY. IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM, I JUST KNOW IN A MINUTE, I'LL GIVE IT TWO MEETINGS IT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR HEY, THE MAYOR DONE BOOKED THIS THING FOR $150, AND HE IS NOW SUBBED DONE IT TO EVERYBODY AND EVERYBODY IS COMING UP AND PAYING HIM 50 BUCKS AND HE MADE $2,000 ON ONE

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WEEKEND. >> WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BOOK IT

AS? >> DO A GENERAL MARKET.

IF YOU'RE SELLING TEA AND THIS PERSON'S SELLING HOT WHEEL

CARS. >> BUT YOU ARE NOT A

NONPROFIT. >> I'LL JUST PARTNER WITH ONE OF FIVE NONPROFITS. DO YOU KNOW TO BE A NONPROFIT IT DOESN'T TAKE THAT HARD? IT'S NOT A 501(C) 3.

THE DOWNTOWN HUDDLE IS A NONPROFIT. THE HUDDLE ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT COMMISSION, THAT'S A NONPROFIT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU. IT'S WRITTEN IN A WAY WHERE IT'S SO QUICKLY, BUT SOMETIMES TO PROVE TO Y'ALL WHAT THE ABUSE IS, I JUST HAVE TO SPEND $100 AND ALL OF THE SUDDEN EVERYBODY GET FIRED UP AND GO THAT'S NOT HAPPENING AGAIN. HE CAN'T DO THAT.

AND IT'S LIKE WE'LL BRING IT BACK UP AND FOR $100 I'LL PROVE

MY POINT. >> CONSTRUCTIVELY THINK ABOUT IT FOR A MOMENT. IF YOU GUYS HAVE NEVER BEEN TO A FLEA MARKET.

>> OKAY, I HEAR YOU. WITHOUT DAMAGING THE FARMER'S MARKETS WITH WHAT YOU WOULD PROPOSE, HOW WOULD YOU PROPOSE WE FIX IT?

>> TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKET.

>> OKAY.

>> BECAUSE THAT IS A LEGAL DEFINITION.

75% OF IT IS -- I DON'T THINK THEY EVEN PAY MONEY.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FLEA MARKET GUY, THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE SELLING COFFEE CUPS, PICTURE FRAMES --

>> CAR PARTS.

>> I MEAN, IF YOU'VE GOT TO FLEA MARKETS, THEY SELL EVERYTHING. THAT ONE, THE BEST WAY TO DO IT, PART OF IT IS IT'S LIKE A POST-IT.

YOU CAN'T CHARGE PEOPLE MORE THAN X AMOUNT OF MONEY, BECAUSE THE POINT OF IT IS TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO DO SOME SMALL BUSINESS WORK.

>> SO ARGUABLY, HOW WOULD WE POLICE THAT?

>> YOU WOULDN'T. BUT IF YOU HAD A SIGN PUT UP, IF IT'S WRITTEN IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH, A PERSON COULD COME YOU CAN'T CHARGE ME 50 BUCKS.

THE LAW IS YOU CAN'T BE MORE THAN 10 BUCKS AN HOUR TO BE

HERE. >> WHY DON'T WE SAY NO FLEA MARKETS AND LEAVE THAT UP TO US TO DECIDE.

WOULD THAT SOLVE THE SAME PROBLEM?

>> TELL ME WHAT TO CALL IT, AND I'LL BOOK IT.

I'M TELLING YOU NOW.

>> NO, I'M SAYING WOULD THAT SOLVE THE PROBLEM?

>> I DON'T KNOW. YOU TELL ME.

WHAT DO I PUT ON THE APPLICATION.

YOU KNOW I'M WHAT I'M GOING TO DO AND ARE YOU GOING TO COME IN ON A SATURDAY EVENING AND GO WAIT A MINUTE, HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO. GUN SHOW? I COULD DO A GUN SHOW.

>> YOUR NAME, I WILL PROBABLY COME LOOK.

THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THIS, I CAN BOOK THIS FOR $75 AND HAVE A GUN SHOW. AND TELL YOU I'M DOING RETAIL, AND I COULD BOOK IT FOR PEOPLE $100 A TIME.

AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THE GUY IS OPERATING A --

>> SO WHAT IF WHAT IF IT'S NO SUBLETTING IT? YOU CAN'T CHARGE AT ALL UNLESS YOU'RE THE CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKET, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. THEN THAT FIXES --

>> IF YOU HAVE GUN SHOW, IT'S THE SAME THING.

>> IF YOU DO IT FOR FREE, IF YOU WANT TO DO ONE TIME YOU ANIMATE THINGS IF YOU WANT TO DO A POKEMON ANIME AND YOU PAY $100, I DON'T CARE IF YOU INVITE 50 PEOPLE. I JUST DON'T WANT YOU CHARGE HIM BOOK IT ALL UP.

BUT IF YOU GUYS VOTE THAT WAY, I'M TELLING YOU.

>> BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO ABUSE THE PRIVILEGE.

>> WHENEVER YOU DID THE EVENT, WAS A REVENUE SOURCE, PEOPLE BUYING TABLES TO BE THERE, TO COME AND MAKE IT HAPPEN? DID A SPECIAL EVENT TO SHUT DOWN THE STREETS. THOSE I CHARGED FOR AND I DID CHARGE FOR THAT.

>> SO WOULD THOSE EVENTS HAPPEN, THE CALIBER THAT YOU ALL WANT WITHOUT IF THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO RECOUP.

>> SO IN MY EXPERIENCE, AND NOT TO DIMINISH ANYONE, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF HOBBY PEOPLE OUT THERE. SO FOR MY EVENT, IT WAS COLLECTOR, TRAITOR, ANIME, POKEMON, BASEBALL CARDS, YOU GOT -- WHEN I CHARGE PEOPLE, I GOT SMALL BUSINESSES. PEOPLE EITHER HAD BRICK AND MORTARS OR HAD LIKE A MORE PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS WHERE THEY HAD A TABLE AND THEY WENT TO DIFFERENT SHOWS AND WHATEVER. WHEN I DIDN'T CHARGE, AND I SAID HEY, I DON'T CARE, Y'ALL COME OUT HERE AND DO WHATEVER, THEN YOU GOT -- I MEAN, YOU GOT THE GUY WITH HOT WHEELS OUT THERE THAT IS LIKE, YOU KNOW.

>> YEAH, THEY WERE. THEY WERE PRETTY COOL ACTUALLY.

I GOT ONE. I'M JUST SAYING, YOU DO GET A DIFFERENT CALIBER, IN MY EXPERIENCE, YOU GET A DIFFERENT CALIBER OF BUSINESS WHEN YOU CHARGE. SO IF THEY CAN'T CHARGE FOR THE BOOTH -- I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO THAT.

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THEY CAN TECHNICALLY STILL CHARGE FOR THE

BOOTH. >> HERE IS A FIX.

>> OKAY, I WOULD JUST TAKE THE WHOLE LINE OUT.

A FINANCIAL CERTIFIED FARMERS

MARKET. >> YOUR CAN RENT THE THING.

>> OR YOU THE RENT THE WHOLE THING. AND IF YOU WANT TO RENT THE WHOLE THING AT $500 FOR THE DAY, DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.

>> IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, DO HAVE I THE AUTHORITY TO WAIVE PERMIT FEES LIKE THAT FOR NONPROFITS ANY WAY?

>> WE'RE ABOUT TO TAKE IT AWAY FROM ME.

>> I DON'T KNOW.

>> YES, YOU DO HAVE THAT ABILITY.

>> ALL THE SAME.

>> BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS HUSTLING OUT THERE AND TRYING TO HELP SOMEONE MAKE MONEY. AND IF I CAN WALK OVER TO THE SUCH AND SUCH NONPROFIT AND GO HEY, THERE IS A KILLER IDEA HERE FOR $75, YOU DO THIS, I LITERALLY TALK TO THE GUY ABOUT ANIME, AND I SAID I THINK YOU CAN RENT THE BUILDING FOR $260, I THOUGHT AT THE TIME FOR FOUR HOURS. WHAT IS IT FOR A WHOLE DAY? I SAID 520 BUCKS. DONE.

THE GUY IS EXCITED TO DO IT.

>> BUT HE'LL BE CHARGING FOR ATTENDANCE, RIGHT?

>> HE IS GOING TO RENT IT FOR A DAY. HE CAN BE EVEN MORE EXCITED IF HE CAN DO IT

$25. >> GOT YOU.

>> WHY WOULD YOU RENT IT FOR THE WHOLE DAY.

AND IF THEY'RE DOING THAT, WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING IT IF IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE USED, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE NONRESIDENCE ONLY 50 BUCKS MORE. YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE IN THE METRO AREA, YOU HAVE THE SMOKING HOT PLACE IN HUTTO.

IF YOU TAKE IT OUT AND CERTIFIED FINANCIAL ONLY, NOT CERTIFIED.

>> YOU'RE REALLY INCENTIVE ADVISING THE FARMERS MARKET AT AN HOURLY RATE.

[13.1. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-050 requesting an exemption to the Hotel Occupancy Tax policy for the Community Connections: Resource Fair Mural Project. (Kristi Barnes)]

TAX POLICY FOR THE COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS RESOURCE FAIR

MARKET. >> GOOD MORNING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. KRISTY BARNES FROM THE OUTREACH PROGRAM. COMMUNITY AND CULTURE OFFICER.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

>> NINE YEARS IS HARD.

>> THANK YOU FOR REMEMBERING. ALMOST NINE YEARS.

YES. SO HIGH- LEVEL BULLET POINTS AREARE HERE.

HAPPY ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS. BUT ESSENTIALLY REQUESTING $2,500 FROM THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX FUND FOR A MURAL PROJECT SIMILAR TO -- I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE -- I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON MAY HAVE BEEN THERE.

BUT ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WE HAD A COMMUNITY CLEANUP PROJECT DOWNTOWN AND WE HAD A COMMUNITY MURAL PAINTING UP FOR A BIT.

BUT THIS WOULD BE KRULKTED AND PAINTED DURING THE COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS RESOURCE FAIR ON FEBRUARY 14TH, WHICH IS NEXT FRIDAY. SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> I THINK IT'S A GOOD USE FOR THAT HOT FUND, AND ALSO ONLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT CAN BE USED FOR ADVERTISING WHICH THIS IS WITHIN THE BUDGET OF THAT.

AND I UNDERSTAND WE'LL HAVE A MIDTERM BUDGET UPDATE FOR

[05:05:04]

THIS. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A 2025.0- 0 AS PRESENTED.

>> I'LL SECOND THAT. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT THING FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO GLAD YOU GUYS BROUGHT THIS UP.

>> SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON.

>> AYE.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD.

>> AYE.

>> MAYOR SNYDER.

>> AYE.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON.

>> AYE.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER COALAR.

>> AYE.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK.

>> AYE.

[14.1 Discussion and possible action on previous direction of City Council for possible land and/or buildings to purchase or lease for non-profit use. (Mike Snyder) ]

>> COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON.

>> AYE.

>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. ITEM 14. 1, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON PREVIOUS DIRECTION OF CITY COUNCIL FOR POSSIBLE LAND AND/OR BUILDINGS TO PURCHASE OR LEASE FOR NON- PROFIT USE. BROUGHT THIS UP BECAUSE I THINK TWO MONTHS AGO WE ASKED STAFF TO COME BACK WITH SOME IDEAS THAT THEY MAY HAVE FOUND IN THE MARKET. I KNOW THE GENERAL THOUGHT WAS I WAS TRYING TO GET A BUILDING FOR A NON- PROFIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WAS REQUEST OF COUNCIL FROM STAFF. IT WAS -- DID YOU GUYS FIND ANYTHING?

>> YES. KATE DID THE WORK ON THIS.

WELL, THE SPECIFIC PROPERTY INFORMATION WOULD BE SHARED IN KPELKT SESSION IF THEY WANT TO ASK FOR THAT. BUT OTHERWISE SHE'S JUST GOING TO DO A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT SHE FOUND.

>> I'M SORRY. JUST COULDTO CLARIFY.

THIS ISN'T FOR ME. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT GETS OUT THERE. JUST BECAUSE I PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA, IT'S BECAUSE WE HAD IT PREVIOUSLY TO HAVE YOU GUYS COME BACK.

BUT SORRY, KATE.

>> KATE MORIARTY, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER.

WHAT WILL BE PRESENTED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND ANY POINTS OF CLARIFICATION HERE PROVIDED TO STAFF, WELCOME TO RECEIVE THEM.

BUT THERE WILL BE ABOUT 10 TO 15 AVAILABLE PROPERTIES THAT ARE GOING÷÷ TO BE REVIEWED . PER PREVIOUS COUNCIL DIRECTION THERE WAS A PRETTY BROAD SCOPE BUT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION THAT LAND WAS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE THE IDEAL ITEM TO SEE BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO TAKE TOO LONG TO BUILD AND UTILIZE PROPERLY. THE COST RANGE RANGES FROM 475,000 TO 2. 6 MILLION. AND THEN THE SQUARE FOOTBALLING RANGES PRETTY GREATLY AS WELL.

ON AVERAGE PER SQUARE FOOT IS ABOUT 23 TO $27.