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JUST SET UP AT SIX O'CLOCK.[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]
WE START THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 20TH, 2025.[3.1. Discussion and possible action regarding a plan for Old Town Streets. (Matt Rector)]
ONE, REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE 2025 STRATEGIC PLAN OBJECTIVES.GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
UH, MY NAME'S DAVID AMSLER FOR THE RECORD.
UM, TODAY IS A FOLLOW UP TO OUR WORK SESSION THAT WAS HELD ON SATURDAY, UH, JUST A FEW WEEKS BACK.
THE MAIN GOAL FOR THIS MEETING IS TO REVIEW THE PILLARS AND OBJECTIVES AND IF COUNSEL HAS ANY EDITS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO THESE OBJECTIVES OR PILLARS, UH, TO LET STAFF KNOW SO THAT WE CAN EDIT THE PLAN, RETURN IT TO YOU ALL FOR APPROVAL.
UH, THERE WAS ALSO AN ASK FROM STAFF IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC TASKS THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
UM, AS A REMINDER, THIS STRATEGIC PLAN IS ONE OF THE MAJOR, UH, INPUTS THAT HELPS STAFF DEPARTMENTS BUDGET.
SO THEY BUILD THEIR DEPARTMENTAL GOALS BASED OFF OF THE OBJECTIVES AND PILLARS IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, UH, TO BRING TO COUNCIL SO THAT THERE IS ALIGNMENT, UH, WITH WHAT YOU ALL ARE WANTING TO SEE.
UH, FOR THE STRUCTURE, I WOULD LIKE TO GO PILLAR BY PILLAR TO ALLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, ANY OBJECTIVES OR CHANGES TO, UH, THE PILLARS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN, AS WELL AS ANY SPECIFIC TASKS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO IF WE'LL BEGIN AT PILLAR ONE, AND THEN I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR TO COUNCIL OF ANY CHANGES OR, UH, ADDITIONS THAT THEY ARE WANTING TO SEE.
I WANNA ADD ANYTHING TO PILLAR ONE.
I LIKE THE FIRST BULLET OF PILLAR ONE.
UM, I KNOW WE CUT A LOT OF DOLLARS OUT OF THIS MOST RECENT BUDGET, AND A LOT OF IT CAME OUT OF TRAINING.
SO JUST CURIOUS HOW STAFF FEELS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT BULLET THIS YEAR WITH THE REDUCTION IN TRAINING DOLLARS THAT WE, UH, HANDED YOU.
SO, I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS STILL TRAINING ONGOING, FOR EXAMPLE, HOW TO AFFORD IS OCCURRING TOMORROW, UM, WHICH IS OUR PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT DAY.
UH, WE WERE ABLE TO STILL PUT THAT ON, UH, WITH THE REDUCTION.
I BELIEVE, UH, WE WOULD OF COURSE ALWAYS PREFER, UH, MORE DOLLARS IN TRAINING.
UM, BUT AS STAFF, WE, WE TRY TO MAKE WHAT WORKS, UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT COUNCIL APPROVES IN THE BUDGET.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE STILL ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS BULLET? I MEAN, MAYBE NOT TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU HAD MAYBE WANTED, BUT YOU'RE STILL ABLE TO DO PROACTIVE NETWORKING, COMPREHENSIVE TRAINING, CAREER ADVANCEMENT.
I, I'M, I'M LETTING HIM STAY IN THE HOT SEAT AS LONG AS HE WANTS TO STAY IN THE HOT SEAT.
UM, YEAH, SO I, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT WE ARE STILL ABLE TO, WITH THE CURRENT BUDGET, UM, ACHIEVE MAJORITY, UM, OF THIS OBJECTIVE.
WELL, I THINK IN THE BUDGET, I DON'T THINK A LOT OF TRAINING WAS PUT.
I THINK IT WAS THE
INSTEAD OF TAKING A HUNK, WE TOOK A BITE.
AND SO, I MEAN, WE, WE DID HAVE SOME, I, I WAS LOOKING AT IT TODAY AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE TOTAL NUMBERS, BUT, BUT TRAINING, TRAINING TOOK A HIT MAINTAIN WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF RECRUITING YOUR RE RETENTION RIGHT? IS TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A MARKET PRICE FOR THAT, THAT JOB SO THAT WE CAN RECRUIT SOME OF THE BEST AND RETAIN OUR CURRENT RECURRENT PEOPLE TOO, WHO HAVE, YOU KNOW, JUST THE HISTORY AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE CITY TOO.
SO, SO MY RESPONSE WOULD BE, UM, YOU CAN UNDER TRAIN, YOU CAN OVERTRAIN SO THAT THE GOAL OF TRAINING AS IT RESULTS TO, UM, PILLAR ONE, UH, COLLABORATION FOR OPERATIONAL EXCELLENCE AND EFFICIENCY, UH, THE GOAL WAS TO TARGET THE,
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THE HIGH END WHERE YOU'RE NOT OVER TRAINING, BUT YOU ARE TRAINING TO THE LEVEL OF DELIVERING A, A CLASS A CITY EXPERIENCE THAT ADDRESSES A LOT OF THE FRUSTRATIONS THAT THE COMMUNITY AND EVEN Y'ALL HAVE EXPRESSED, YOU KNOW, ARE ISSUES.AND THAT COMES WITH PEOPLE EXPERIENCING THINGS THAT, THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN THEIR DAY-TO-DAY BEING, HAVING THEMSELVES STRETCHED AND THINKING ABOUT NEW THINGS OR SEEING NEW THINGS.
UM, SO WE'RE STILL DOING SOME OF THAT, RIGHT.
AND I THINK THE ORGANIZATION AS A WHOLE IS IMPROVING IN THAT REGARD.
COULD WE MAKE IT BETTER FASTER? YES, WE COULD, BUT I THINK, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THE, THE, THE CUTS THAT THAT, THAT Y'ALL ARE, ARE REFERRING TO CAUSES TO SLIP TOWARD THE TOO LITTLE TRAINING SIDE YET.
IT IS JUST THAT MAYBE WE DON'T GET AS AS GOOD AS FAST AS WE COULD OR AS GREAT AS FAST AS WE COULD.
SO WE DIDN'T, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
WE DIDN'T CRIPPLE YOU, WE DIDN'T LIKE MAKE IT REALLY DIFFICULT TO, TO GET WELL, I MEAN, I, I MEAN SOME PEOPLE WERE MORE AFFECTED THAN OTHERS.
SO I'M TALKING ACROSS THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION AS A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT, BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN, UM, THE, UH, THE SUPERVISOR TRAINING THAT WE DO, UH, HU FORWARD, UH, WHICH IS THE DAY WHERE WE ALL COME TOGETHER AND HAVE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN THOSE.
IT, IT WAS MORE OF THE INDIVIDUAL, I THINK ASPECTS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN CUT BACK SOME.
UM, AND, AND, AND THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW I WOULD SEE IT.
SO IF, IF, IF WE CAN'T, I MEAN, WE'VE MADE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH TRAINING THAT, THAT AFFECT, UM, YOU KNOW, CAREER ADVANCEMENT BY, YOU KNOW, CREATING DIFFERENT POSITIONS OR ENHANCING JOB DESCRIPTIONS OR DUTIES.
UM, THE NETWORKING AND MARKETING, THOSE ARE KIND OF HAPPENING I THINK INDEPENDENT OF TRAINING, UM, INTERNAL COMMUNICATION AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.
SO TRAINING IS A PART OF, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A LEG ON A TABLE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT IS A LEG AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT LEG, SO YOU DON'T WANNA SHORTEN IT TOO MUCH, BUT YOU ALSO DON'T WANT IT TOO LONG EITHER WHERE THE TABLE'S ALL CRANKED OVER AND EVERYTHING'S FALLING OFF OF IT.
'CAUSE YOU'RE JUST SPINNING TOO MUCH RESOURCES IN TRAINING AND YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY DELIVERING RESULTS.
SO AS, AS FAR AS AN ADDITION HERE, I HAD MENTIONED ON SATURDAY EXTERNAL COLLABORATION.
UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT GOES ON.
I MEAN, WE'RE INVOLVED WITH CAMPO, WE'RE INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO TEXTILE ALL THE TIME AND THE COUNTY.
I KNOW CHRISTIE'S INVOLVED IN OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS THAT SHE, SHE, UM, GOES TO MEETINGS AND, AND THINGS WITH.
AND THEN SPECIFICALLY AROUND WATER, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO AROUND WATER, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN THE AREA IS EVERY CITY HOLDS THEIR WATER CARDS VERY CLOSE TO THE VEST UNTIL, UNTIL THEY GET A DEAL DONE.
BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO LOSE THEIR DEAL WITH SOMEBODY ELSE.
AND WE COLLABORATED WITH OTHER CITIES, WE MIGHT FIND BETTER SOLUTIONS IN THE LONG RUN.
IS THERE OVERALL CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL TO HAVE THE WORDING MENTIONED? EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS? MM-HMM
FOR ME, WORKING WITH OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY.
I MEAN COLLABORATE FOR OPERATIONAL EXCELLENCE AND EFFICIENCY.
THE WAY THIS IS ALL WORDED, IT IS ALL INTERNAL.
SO, I MEAN, I WOULD ASK YOU ALL, ARE THE TRAINED AND BEEN THROUGH THE TRAINING AND ARE FIGHTING TO BE MORE EFFICIENT? DO YOU GUYS FIND IT PARTICULARLY USEFUL NOT TO BE EXTERNAL TO WHERE WE NEED TO TELL YOU TO BE EXTERNAL? OR SHOULD WE, AND WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS WE'RE NOT, THERE'S NO MENTION OF OPERATION EXCELLENCE AND EFFICIENCY BY WORKING WITH THE ISD, THE ESD.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT CREATES OUR OWN SANDBOXES.
OUR OWN FIEFDOMS IS WE'RE WORKING TO MAKE OURSELVES MORE EFFICIENT.
BUT WE'RE DUPLICATING SERVICES IN MY MIND ON A LOT OF THINGS.
WE DUPLICATE 'EM AGAINST THE ISD ON SOME THINGS, THE YMCA, THE ESD, UM, AND THE, UM, CHAMBER.
AND SO I THINK IF WE REALLY WANNA BE EFFICIENT AND WE REALLY WANNA BE COLLABORATIVE, I ALMOST THINK THE THING NEEDS TO BE BLOWN UP A LITTLE BIT AND NOT TAKE AWAY THE EMPHASIS ON EMPLOYEES.
BUT TO ME THIS PARAGRAPH SHOULD NOT, THE WAY I READ IT IS ALL ABOUT THE EMPLOYEES AND IT NEEDS TO BE MORE ABOUT THE CITY AND HOW DO WE MAKE EVERYBODY THE COUNCIL BE MORE EFFICIENT, THE SERVICES MORE EFFICIENT AND EVERYTHING.
AND THEN WITH THAT, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TAKE CAREER ADVANCEMENT OPPORTUNITIES OUT.
BUT I, I'M ALWAYS VERY SENSITIVE TO OR CREATING POSITIONS AND, AND I FORGOT WHAT JAMES SAID A LITTLE BIT, BUT MY FOLKS RETIRED FROM THE GOVERNMENT.
THEY DIDN'T, THEY DON'T, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PRIOR TO, LIKE RECENTLY,
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THEY DIDN'T CREATE POSITIONS FOR 20 YEAR PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY NEEDED SOMEPLACE TO GO.YOU JUST KNEW THAT UNTIL THE PERSON ABOVE YOU RETIRES, RESIGNS DIES OR GETS FIRED, YOU'RE IN YOUR POSITION, YOU CAN GO LATERAL TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT AND DO THINGS.
AND SO I DON'T WANT US TO GET TO WHERE WE'RE WORKING TO TRAIN PEOPLE SO THAT THEN WE CAN GO CREATE A JOB TO GO TO PUT 'EM IN THERE.
BECAUSE THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT A BUREAUCRACY IS.
AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES US NOT EFFICIENT IN MY MIND, IS THAT, I FORGET WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT PROGRAM WE HAVE WHERE WE GO THROUGH THE TRAINING SUPERVISORS ACADEMY? NO, THE, YOU SPEND TWO YEARS HERE, THERE TWO YEARS THERE, AND THEN WE CREATE 2.1 PIPELINE.
I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT LIKE THAT PROGRAM.
BECAUSE I THINK WHAT THAT DOES IS, IS THAT SAYS YOU EITHER GET PROMOTED TO A NEW JOB OR YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA GO SOMEPLACE ELSE.
AND I THINK, I THINK WHEN YOU'RE SETTING IT UP TO WHERE YOU'RE GONNA BE TWO YEARS HERE, YOU'RE TRAINING ON THE TAXPAYER FOR A JOB TO ULTIMATELY GO BE AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S UP TO US TO BE, TO DO THAT.
I THINK THAT'S BIGGER CITIES DO THAT.
BOSTON WITH 2000 EMPLOYEES, THEY'RE DOING THAT BECAUSE THEY JUST NATURALLY HAVE THAT.
I THINK WE'RE TOO SMALL AT 200 AND WHATEVER IT IS, 20 EMPLOYEES TO BE CREATING A TRAINING PROCESS FOR PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH TO WHERE YOU HAVE A GREAT PERSON AND WELL THEN NOW THEY GO TAKE A JOB SOMEWHERE.
TO ME, WE OUGHT TO BE TRYING TO KEEP, UH, THE KNOWLEDGE HERE AND FINDING WAYS TO MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY IN THEIR JOBS.
AND MAYBE IT'S 'CAUSE I WORK AT A COMPANY THAT THEY JUST DON'T CREATE JOBS FOR YOU.
YOU, YOU LIKE WHAT YOU DO AND YOU STICK WITH IT.
AND WHEN SUPERVISORS LEAVE, YOU MOVE UP.
BUT THEY DON'T CREATE POSITIONS JUST 'CAUSE YOU'VE BEEN AROUND.
NOT THAT WE AREN'T NECESSARILY DOING THAT, BUT THAT A TOO, I MEAN, KIND OF THE WAY IT'S WORDED IS TWO YEARS HERE.
AND THE GOAL AS I'VE READ IT, IS TO CREATE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BE AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER SOMEWHERE.
AND SO WE'RE EITHER GONNA DO IT HERE AND CREATE A ROLE OR WE, WE LOSE TALENT.
SO JUST TO, TO CLARIFY, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT PARTICULAR ONE, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU BROUGHT IT UP BEFORE AND, AND I, AND I JUST WANNA COURSE CORRECT A LITTLE BIT.
WHAT I'M DOING IS THAT IS A, A MANAGERIAL PIPELINE FOR US BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT TURNOVER.
WE WILL HAVE INTERNAL NEEDS THAT NEED TO BE FILLED.
WE WILL NEED, AS THE ORGANIZATION GROWS TO HAVE ADDITIONAL JOBS THAT ARE CREATED TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND THAT IS EFFECTIVELY RECOGNIZING TWOFOLD.
ONE, IT'S MUCH BETTER TO HAVE MANAGERS, LEADERS AND THAT SORT OF STUFF THAT HAVE BEEN IN YOUR CULTURE AND HAVE LEARNED YOUR WAY OF DOING THINGS THAN BRINGING SOMEONE ALWAYS FROM THE OUTSIDE.
SO THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY THERE.
AND UM, THE OTHER THING IS, UH, WELL ACTUALLY MY IDEA JUST ESCAPE ME.
SO I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE OTHER THING IS.
I'M ALL ABOUT A PROMOTE WITHIN YEAH.
IF YOU START, IF YOU START FOCUSING ON THAT, THEN YOU, THAT'S WHY I ONLY HAVE, THAT'S, I ONLY HAVE THREE POSITIONS.
I THINK DAVID IS AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, BUT WE CALL HIM SOMETHING ELSE.
'CAUSE WE CREATE A DIFFERENT ROLE AND THAT'S WHY I WANNA MAKE SURE.
'CAUSE EVERY TIME WE CREATE THESE ROLES, THESE ARE TOP LEVEL ROLES AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE NEEDED.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING EFFICIENCY ISN'T ALWAYS EXPANDING GOVERNMENT.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS BRINGING IT BIGGER.
USUALLY TO BE EFFICIENT, YOU SIMPLIFY THINGS.
AND UM, THE, THE LAST BIT ON THAT, UH, MAYOR IS THAT ONE THAT IS THE ONLY THREE POSITIONS THAT ARE THAT WAY.
AND THAT I'M JUST RECOGNIZING THE REALITY OF THE FACT THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE ATTRACTED TO COME HERE, UM, TO WORK AT THAT LEVEL, ARE NOT GONNA STAY HERE MORE THAN SIX YEARS IF THERE'S NOT A PROMOTION OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM.
SO WE'RE GONNA LOSE THEM ANYWAY.
SO THAT'S KIND OF MY, MY THINKING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE KATES OF THE WORLD, THE DAVIDS OF THE WORLD, THEY'RE NOT GONNA STICK AROUND IF THERE'S NOT A PROMOTIONAL OPPORTUNITY FROM AT THEIR AGE AT, AT WHERE THEY'RE AT IN THEIR CAREERS, THEY'RE GOING TO GO WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO ALL I'VE DONE IS RECOGNIZE WHAT IS, WHAT IS LIKELY TO HAPPEN IN REALITY FOR THAT PARTICULAR ONE.
BUT YES, THE EFFICIENCY GOES THE OTHER WAY DOWN.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO HERE IS ONE, ONE OF THOSE TYPES OF PERSONS CAN SOMETIMES PRODUCE AT THE LEVEL OF LIKE MAYBE TWO OTHER TYPES OF PEOPLE, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE GETTING A HIGHER LEVEL OF EFFICIENCY TOO, JUST BY THE CALIBER AND TYPE OF PEOPLE YOU'RE ABLE TO ATTAIN.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE HOW, WELL ELON MUSK IS ALL OVER THE NEWS RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S JUST KIND OF LIKE HOW ELON MUSK DROPPED 80% OF THE TWITTER STAFF AND KEPT 20% OF THE STAFF AND WAS ABLE TO INCREASE PRODUCTIVITY BY ALSO REDUCING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DID.
THAT'S BECAUSE HE KEPT THE RIGHT 20%.
BUT IF ALL A HUNDRED PERCENT HAD BEEN THAT 20%, HOW MUCH MORE COULD THEY HAVE PRODUCED? YOU KNOW? SO THAT'S, THAT'S
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THE PHILOSOPHY BEHIND IT ALL.I DO THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THAT IT'S HELPFUL TO CALL OUT THE, UH, THE EXTERNAL PARTNERSHIPS FOR, FOR ONE, UM, BECAUSE WE ARE DOING THAT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S ON THAT, UH, PILLAR OR NOT.
SO I, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO BE THERE.
AND THEN WE CAN THEN BUILD KPIS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS THAT GO INTO SHOW WHAT WE'RE DOING TO TRY TO REDUCE THE IMPACT ON THE TAXPAYER DOLLAR, UM, TO REDUCE OVERLAP.
UM, NOW SOME PROGRAMS YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE OVERLAP, LIKE MAYBE WE, YOU HAVE TWO SOCCER THINGS GOING ON, OR TWO VOLLEYBALL THINGS GOING OR WHATEVER.
SOMETIMES YOU WANT THAT, BUT OTHER TIMES YOU DON'T.
SO YEAH, I, I WOULD ECHO CITY MANAGER, UM, ON THE CONSENSUS IN THE ROOM OF BRINGING BACK SOMETHING IN HERE IN THE WORDING THAT MAKES IT MORE FOCUSED ON COLLABORATION WITH EXTERNAL PARTNERS.
AND THE BEAUTIFUL THING ABOUT A STRATEGIC PLAN FROM COUNCIL IN THIS FORMAT IS NOW WHEN DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE GOING THROUGH THEIR BUDGET, IT WILL HELP THEIR FRAME, THEIR FRAME OF MIND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR DEPARTMENTAL GOALS ARE AT LEAST WEIGHING EXTERNAL FOLKS.
AND, AND WE DO DO THAT NOW, BUT LIKE CITY MANAGER SAID, I, IT WILL INCREASE IT AND THEN ALSO HAVE KPI MEASURES THAT WE CAN REPORT ON TO THE PUBLIC AND CITY COUNCIL ON HOW EFFECTIVE WE ARE AT IT.
I HATE TO BE CLICHE AND SAY WHAT GETS MEASURED GETS DONE, BUT IN A LOT OF WAYS THAT'S TRUE.
SO IF IT'S AN IMPORTANT, UH, IDEAL, THEN WE SHOULD PUT IT IN THERE SO THAT WAY WE START MEASURING IT AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S GETTING DONE.
YOU A VERY ORGANIZED GUY ONE TIME HE WAS SO ORGANIZED THAT HE SPENT HALF HIS DAY MAKING SURE THE REST OF THE DAY WAS ORGANIZED
AND I ALWAYS FOUND IT WAS EASIER TO JUST KIND OF COME IN AND DEAL WITH SOME THINGS ALONG THE WAY.
SO AS LONG AS WE DON'T START ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVING BOGGED DOWN WHERE WE'RE WORRYING ABOUT KPIS AND UPDATING STUFF TO WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE NEED MORE FTES TO MAKE SURE WE STAY ON THIS PLAN.
BECAUSE THEN AGAIN, TO ME BOTTOM LINE IS IN MY WORLD, IF YOU'RE GETTING MORE EFFICIENT, YOUR FTES ARE GOING DOWN, NOT UP UNLESS YOU'RE EXPANDING PROGRAMS. BUT IF YOU NEED MORE FTES EVERY YEAR TO DO THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE TO YOUR CITY, THAT'S NOT EFFICIENCY.
UH, IF YOU'RE INCREASING, LIKE WE WANNA EXPAND THE LIBRARY, THAT'S GONNA NEED SOME PEOPLE.
BUT UM, AS LONG AS WE, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S COMPANIES OUT THERE THAT HIRE LIKE EFFICIENCY PEOPLE MM-HMM
AND I'M LIKE, YOU JUST HIRED A PERSON TO THEN MAKE YOU MORE EFFICIENT AND THEN THEY HAD TO HIRE PEOPLE AND THEY NEED AN ASSISTANT.
BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE NOTHER ORDAINED DEPARTMENT TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT.
AND THAT'S KIND OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN A WAY WAY.
BUT IF THAT NEW DEPARTMENT CAN GET RID OF THREE OTHER DEPARTMENTS OR TWICE AS MANY PEOPLE THAT WERE HIRED IN, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU MAY BE MISSING IS THAT EFFICIENCY EXPERTS 'CAUSE 'CAUSE A LOT OF BIG COMPANIES DO THAT.
THEY'LL GET A FEW EFFICIENCY PEOPLE TO COME IN.
YOU GET ONE GUY TO COME IN AND YOU GET RID OF 80% OF THE PEOPLE.
AND SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S JUST, JUST TO SAY YOU START HIRING EFFICIENCY PEOPLE AND THEN YOU'RE JUST GONNA BE EXPANDING GOVERNMENT, I THINK IS, IS A MISNOMER.
UM, I THINK WE NEED TO RELY ON THE EXPERTISE OF OUR CITY MANAGER AND, AND THE LEADERSHIP TO HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND QUESTION IT AND PUSH THE BOUNDARIES.
BUT, BUT ALSO JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING SOME OF THESE THINGS DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S BECAUSE THE GOAL IS TO INCREASE GOVERNMENT AND TO INCREASE BUREAUCRACY FOR, FOR A DIRECT ANSWER TO MEASURING FOR MEASUREMENT'S SAKE.
UM, A CATCHPHRASE AND IMPLEMENTING ALL OF THESE KPIS WITH THE DEPARTMENTS IS THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE MEASURING FOR MEASUREMENT SAKE, AND WE ARE PUTTING A MAX OF FIVE KPIS PER DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT STAYS MANAGEABLE.
IF WE STARTED DOING 2030 KPIS PER DEPARTMENT, THAT WOULD NECESSITATE A NEED FOR AN ADDITIONAL FT.
WHICH IS WHY WE'VE CAPPED IT UNDER, I MEAN I LOOK AT, WE'LL HAVE TO GO ON, BUT THE BUDGET OVER TWO YEARS, OUR SALARY LINE IS INCREASING FASTER THAN OUR REVENUE LINE IS.
AND SO OTHER COMPANIES DO THAT AND THEN THEY LAY PEOPLE OFF.
SO THE GOVERNMENT KEEPS GROWING THE SALARY LINE FASTER THAN THEY'RE GROWING REVENUES.
THE ONLY WAY I KNOW TO FIX THAT IS TO CUT SERVICES OR RAISE TAXES.
AND SO IF WE'VE GOT A WHOLE PARAGRAPH, THE WHOLE PILLAR ON EFFICIENCY, THE NEXT ONE GOING INTO IT, AS LONG AS WE START SEEING A LEVEL OUTGROW REVENUE, START GROWING FASTER THAN SALARY LINES, I MEAN, SO YOU GOTTA HIGHER THE EFFICIENCY PERSON.
WHATEVER YOU GOTTA DO TO ME TO, TO BE EFFICIENT AT SOME POINT, YOU RATHER JUST HAVE TO OUTROW YOUR SALARY LINE.
SO FOR TIME SAKE, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO PILLAR TWO.
UH, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR EDITS OR CHANGES
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TO THE CURRENT WORDING ON MAINTAIN FINANCIAL STABILITY THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE? AND THEN AGAIN, SPECIFIC TASKS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR? SO THIRD BULLET, UH, MAINTAIN A 20% OPERATING EXPENSE RESERVE FUND.WHERE ARE WE SITTING AT NOW AND WHAT DID WE, WHAT DID OUR BUDGET SUPPORT REMEMBERS? I THINK IT WAS 20, WE BUDGETED LIKE RIGHT AT 20.
YEAH, I, I WANNA SAY WE BUDGETED 20, UM, I, I WOULD HAVE TO PULL IT TO LOOK SPECIFICALLY, UM, BY CHARTER IT'S 10, BUT BY CITY COUNCIL POLICY IT'S 20.
SO I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S WHAT WE BUDGETED.
I'D LIKE TO SEE US PUSH THAT ENVELOPE.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE AS A COUNCIL TO 25 OR 30 TO GET IT TO HIGHER.
I MEAN 20% GETS US THREE, THREE MONTHS.
20% IS, YEAH, 10% WOULD BE 1.2 MONTHS.
THREE MONTHS WOULD BE 25% RAISE TAXES TO HIT IT.
NOTHING LIKE SAYING WE'RE GONNA RAISE TAXES TO SAVE MORE MONEY FOR ME, I'D LIKE TO SEE, UM, I'LL PUT THIS ON THE BOARD, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED.
THE COUNCIL MESSAGE BOARD OR WHATEVER.
THE THING THAT WE DON'T USE, BUT WE'RE THAT WE IMPLEMENTED
AND SO JUST TO, YOU KNOW, I'M WILLING TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NUMBERS, BUT TO HAVE LIKE AN EMERGENCY FUND IN ADDITION TO THIS.
AND I MENTIONED THE WHOLE WINTER STORM TOMORROW WITH THE, THAT WHOLE SITUATION.
THANKFULLY WE HAD THE 500, UH, THOUSAND OR WHATEVER.
IT PROBABLY MAY EVEN COST MORE THAN THAT.
BUT I DO REMEMBER THAT IT COST, UM, A BIT TO DO THAT.
THANK, LIKE I SAID, THANKFULLY WE HAD THAT IN OUR RESERVE.
UM, BUT JUST HAVE SOMETHING ALLOCATED FOR EMERGENCIES.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NEVER REALLY PREPARED FOR AN EMERGENCY, WHETHER IT'S SMALL OR HUGE.
UM, SO, BUT JUST TO, YOU KNOW, JUST START THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT TO HAVE SOMETHING, UH, JUST IN CASE.
AND THEN IF WE COULD LIKE LEGALLY ROLL THAT IF, IF IT UNUSED, UM, DOLLARS, COULD WE ROLL THAT INTO I GUESS THE RESERVE FUND? I GUESS WHAT IS THE LEGAL WAY OF OF, OF KEEPING THAT, THAT MONEY? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET, RIGHT.
AND SO IT GOES UN UNUSED IF YOU DON'T USE IT SO WELL, I THINK, UM, I BROUGHT UP THE, THE EMERGENCY FUND A COUPLE YEARS AGO TOO AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVEN'T BEEN IN, IN A POSITION TO DO IT YET.
I DON'T THINK IF YOU'RE GONNA FUND IT ON ITS OWN, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO FUND THE WHOLE THING IN ONE YEAR MM-HMM
BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU MAY USE IT, YOU MAY NOT, BUT MM-HMM
IT'S THE KIND OF THING WHERE THREE OR FOUR YEARS FROM NOW, YOU'LL PROBABLY USE IT AT LEAST ONCE.
AND SO IF YOU FUND IT A LITTLE BIT EACH YEAR, YOU GET THERE.
BUT ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS WE WANT TO BE AT 20%, BUT WE WANT TO GO HIGHER.
YOU CAN PUT IN THERE THAT A CERTAIN PART OF THAT RESERVE IS, IS OUR EMERGENCY FUND BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO FUND BOTH, RIGHT? MM-HMM
WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE 30% IN RESERVE AND THEN ALSO HAVE AN EMERGENCY FUND.
WE CAN HAVE 30% IN RESERVE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, 5% OR WHATEVER PERCENT OF THAT YEAH.
SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S FIGURING OUT HOW TO COMBINE IT AND I THINK IT'S HOW DO WE MAKE INCREMENTAL PROGRESS TO GET THERE? BECAUSE I, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA TELL SOMEBODY I'M GONNA RAISE YOUR TAXES SO WE CAN PUT MORE MONEY IN RESERVE.
I DON'T THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.
I JUST LIKE TO ALLOCATE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WHETHER IT'S A LITTLE OR A LOT THAT'S JUST KIND OF MAINTAINED YEAR OVER YEAR SOME, BUT IF OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOT
I THINK THEY JUST CHECK AGAINST OUR OWN POLICIES.
I MEAN I'M, I'M GENERALLY USED TO SEEING 20% BEING KIND OF THE LOW END, BUT I'M NOT USED TO SEEING MUCH MORE THAN THREE MONTHS.
SO USUALLY 25 PERCENT'S USUALLY ABOUT WHAT IT IS.
MAYBE MAYBE INCREASING TO 25 BUT SAY 5%, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MAP IS.
BECAUSE THAT MIGHT BE TOO MUCH.
BUT 5% OF IT, THREE MONTHS WORTH OF OPERATING EXPENSE AND THAT GIVES YOU A BUFFER TO USE FOR THE EMERGENCY STUFF TO WHERE YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE ANOTHER WINTER STORM OR SOMETHING.
YOU STILL HAVE LIKE THE BASE BUT BUILT INTO IT.
AND I THINK THAT'S AN ASPIRATION.
I I DON'T THINK IT'S REALISTIC TO GET THERE UNLESS I THINK IT'S A FIVE YEAR PLAN UNLESS SOMEBODY FOR SURE.
BUT UNLESS SOMEBODY JUST SHOWS UP AND GIVES US A CHECK, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN ONE YEAR.
SO YEAH, 5% MORE WOULD BE ABOUT $3 MILLION I THINK.
DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT OR IS THAT TOO HIGH? WE HAD 22 MILLION.
WELL YOU WERE, WELL WAY OVER THAT.
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WE'VE SPENT IT DOWN.SO I THINK RIGHT NOW OUR RESERVE IS AROUND EIGHT OR 9 MILLION I THINK.
SO IF THAT'S 20% THEN A FOURTH OF THAT.
SO LET'S SAY TWO OR $3 MILLION MORE, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT 5 CENTS ON THE TAX RATE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO I MEAN ALTHOUGH, BUT SOME OF THAT, ALTHOUGH IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE TO HAVE IT BUILT IN LIKE THAT IN THE SAME BUCKET, IT'S LIKE NOT DOLLAR WISE, IT DOESN'T.
AND IT'S NOT JUST, IT'S NOT JUST RAISING A TAX THAT WOULD DO THAT.
IF WE DON'T SPEND AS MUCH MONEY AS WE HAD ANTICIPATED SPENDING THIS YEAR AND THE GENERAL FUND AND OUR REVENUES CAME IN, WHAT WE EXPECTED THEM TO COME IN, THEN WE WOULD ARGUABLY HAVE DOLLARS THAT WOULD ROLL OVER INTO THE RESERVE.
BUT THEY WOULD JUST BE IN THE CASH BALLOTS.
THEY WOULDN'T BE LISTED AS RESERVE DOLLARS.
SO THEN THAT COULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREEP, CREEP UP THE RESERVE A LITTLE BIT AND THEN STILL MAYBE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY TO PAY FOR A SPECIAL PROJECT OR SOMETHING IN THE NEXT BUDGET.
AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR YOU DO THE SAME THING.
SO RAISING THE TAX ISN'T THE ONLY WAY TO GET THERE.
SO I THINK, HONESTLY, I THINK THE BEST WAY FOR US TO GET THERE IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.
I THINK IT'S TO SAY SKYBOX, WE'RE GONNA TAKE UP TO A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND PUT IT TOWARDS RESERVE FOR THE FIRST SO MANY YEARS UNTIL WE REACH OUR GOAL.
AND THEN, AND THEN THAT WAY WE'VE TAKEN JUST A CHUNK OF IT.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT EVEN THE MAJORITY OF THE MONEY THAT WE'RE EXPECTING, BUT IT'S A CHUNK AND IT'S A SIZABLE CHUNK THAT'S GONNA MAKE DIFFERENCE IN THE NUMBERS.
AND THAT GETS YOU THERE WITHOUT BURNING THROUGH THE TAXPAYER'S POCKETS.
RIGHT? AND IT'S NEW, NEW MONEY THAT WE SEEM TO WANT TO SPEND EVERYWHERE, BUT WE HAVEN'T YET.
SO WHY DON'T WE PUT IT TOWARDS THIS GOAL AND SAY IT'S GONNA BE A CHUNK OF THAT THAT'S GONNA GET US TO A HEALTHIER POSITION.
AND THEN THAT WAY WHEN IT COMES IN, IT COMES IN AND IT'S GREAT AND GOD FORBID IT DOESN'T COME IN, IT DIDN'T CRA I, I DON'T WANNA PUT ALL THE EGGS IN THE BASKET FOR THAT, FOR SKY BOX.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO FUND OUR ROADS WITH SKY, WITH FUTURE SKY BOX DOLLARS.
I'M, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE DO IT IS LIKE, SHOULD WE CALL CALL CITY FIVE TO 10 MILLION A CITY SKY? WELL IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING FIVE TO 10 MILLION A YEAR OUT SKY, THEN HOW BAD IS IT TO TAKE A MILLION A YEAR OUT OF THAT WHEN THOSE ARE REALIZED, WHICH IS IN THE FUTURE.
RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR IS THE FUTURE.
RIGHT? SO, SO I'M SAYING IF SOMETHING THAT WE START THE PLAN FOR WITHIN FIVE PLAN THAT'S WE WANNA DO, PERIOD.
RIGHT? THEN THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THAT IS NOT YEAH.
BURDENING TAXPAYERS THAT'S TAKING NEW MONEY AND PUTTING IT TOWARDS THAT POSITION.
ANYBODY ELSE? I DON'T DISAGREE.
I MEAN I, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE, WE OUGHT TO HAVE A, IN MY MIND, WE OUGHT TO HAVE A REALLY BIG RESERVE IF WE'RE GONNA BE USING SKYBOX MONEY FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN ONE-OFF PROJECTS.
BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE DATA CENTERS COME AND GO, SOMETHING HAPPENS, ONE GOES AWAY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE A 30% DROP IN REVENUE AND THEN WE'RE ALL SCRAMBLING.
WHAT DO WE DO? BECAUSE NOW WE'VE EXPANDED OUR SERVICES.
SO I THINK YOU CAN DO THAT AND I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU COULDN'T ADD A LITTLE BIT EACH YEAR AND, AND BUILD IT UP.
UM, TO ME THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO WHEN THEY GET A RAISE.
MOST PEOPLE, THEY SAVE SOME AND THEN THEY'D BLOW SOME AND, BUT YOU NEVER BLOW EVERYTHING ON YOUR FIRST RACE BECAUSE WHO KNOWS THE COMPANY MAY LAY YOU OFF, UH, NEXT WEEK IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, IN THE WRONG INDUSTRY OR SOMETHING.
BUT IS THERE CONSENSUS IN THE ROOM TO REWORD THE THIRD BULLET TO MAINTAINING A 20% RESERVE FUND, UH, WHILE, WHILE REACHING 25% WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS? I DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE A PERCENTAGE IN THERE.
I THINK YOU OUGHT TO BE MORE IN LINE, SUBSTITUTE EFFECTIVE.
WELL, SO THE PERCENT IS, IS WHAT DETERMINES WHAT THE RESERVE IS, WHICH IS BASICALLY ZERO BALANCE IF YOU WILL.
SO YOU WANT THERE TO BE A PERCENT BECAUSE OTHERWISE ALL OF YOUR CASH, IF IT'S RESERVED THEN YOUR BALANCE IS EFFECTIVELY ZERO AND THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANT.
SO WHAT THE, WELL THIS ISN'T OUR POLICY.
SO I'M NOT SAYING CHANGE THE POLICY.
BUT I SAY YOU GO TO 25 AND YOU LEAVE IT AT 20 WITH THE GOAL TO BE AT 25 WITHIN FIVE YEARS.
BECAUSE IF YOU DO NOT PUT IT IN WRITING THIS COUNCIL, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE BODY FOR THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR IT'LL BE A DIFFERENT LEGISLATIVE BODY.
BUT IF YOU'VE PUT THE PROCESS IN PLACE OF THE ASPIRATIONAL GOAL TO GET TO 25% WITHIN FIVE YEARS, THAT GUIDES THE OTHER COUNCILS.
BUT AT LEAST IT HAS IT DOCUMENTED.
OH, WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE DOING THAT.
AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE COME IN AND GO, OKAY, LET'S CONTINUE THAT PROCESS TO 25%.
IF YOU DON'T PUT IT IN THERE, THEN YOU WASTED THE OPPORTUNITY OF SETTING THE
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EXECUTIVE STRATEGIC PILLAR TODAY.I THINK AT 25 YOU ALSO, BY SETTING 25, YOU ALSO LIMIT YOURSELF AT 25 BECAUSE THEN IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO ABOVE THAT, NOW YOU'RE DOING THE EXACT THING YOU'RE SAYING NO, IT SAYS THAT LEAST 25.
AND TWO YEARS FROM NOW OR THREE, FOUR YEARS FROM NOW, IF WE GET TO 25, THE COUNCIL AT THAT POINT MIGHT SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? 35 WOULD BE BETTER.
RIGHT? BUT THAT COUNCIL THEN THEY CAN SURVIVE THAT.
I WAS THINKING MORE HOW DO YOU INCORPORATE WHAT UH, CUSTOMER KOHL WAS SAYING IN TERMS OF RESERVE AND ALL THAT TO WHERE IS THERE WAGES AWARDED TO WHERE I, I DON'T REALLY CARE BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, FINANCIAL STABILITY ISN'T RAISING TAXES.
IT IS FIGURING A WAY TO MAINTAIN TAX LEVELS.
SO WHATEVER THAT PERCENT IS THERE, THE FIGHT TO ME IS NOT THE PERCENT, IT IS THE WHOLE PARAGRAPH.
NOW ARE WE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND THAT'S WHAT OUR FIGHT IS EVERY YEAR.
SO IF YOU GUYS WANT 25 OR 27 OR 30, I DON'T THINK THAT MATTERS.
THE FIGHT IS IN WHAT IS RESPONSIBLE AND WHAT IS NOT.
UM, YEAH AND THE DEFINITION OF RESPONSIBLE FOR SURE.
I MEAN THAT'S THE BIG FIGHT, RIGHT? YEAH.
BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE A DIFFERENT DEFINITION, WHICH IS GOOD TO HAVE SEVEN DIFFERENT WAYS YOU HOPE TO EVENTUALLY COME TO SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE KIND OF KNOW ARE WE COMFORTABLE MOVING TO PILLAR THREE? I SAID THE SAME THING WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
THIS IS A WHOLE PARAGRAPH FIGHTING ABOUT WHAT'S RESPONSIBLE AND SUSTAINABLE.
BECAUSE EVERYTHING WE DO THAT'S IN HERE THAT WE GOT COMING THROUGH, IS IT RESPONSIBLE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, $2 MILLION IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD ON INFRASTRUCTURE WHEN YOU HAVE ALL THE OTHER NEEDS, IS IT BETTER TO DO MAYBE 4 MILLION AND KNOCK IT OUT? YOU KNOCK A NEIGHBORHOOD OUT EACH TIME AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT RESPONSIBLE IS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW SUSTAINABLE, UM, BUT TO ME THAT'S THE FIGHT ON ALL THIS IS WHAT EXACTLY IS THAT AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? EVERYBODY? WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY OUR BUDGET THINGS GET ALL, ALL EXCITED.
ONE OBJECTIVE, UH, THAT CAME UP ON SATURDAY WAS, WAS THE WATER OBJECTIVE THAT I INCLUDED IN THE EMAIL.
I THINK THIS IS A, A NICE PLACE FOR THAT OBJECTIVE SPECIFICALLY.
UM, IS THERE A CONSENSUS IN THE ROOM THAT A WATER OBJECTIVE NEEDS TO BE CALLED OUT SPECIFICALLY IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN? I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST PAIN POINTS WE HAVE AS FAR AS GROWTH GOES.
SO THIS IS ALL GOOD FOR ME, YOU KNOW, WHERE I WORK, WE, WE DON'T REALLY, UH, SO THIS IS A LEARNING EXPERIMENT FOR ME 'CAUSE WE WORK TO BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WORK TO GROW OUR ROADS RESPONSIBLY OR WATER.
WE DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY PUT ALL THAT STUFF IN WRITING TO MAKE SURE IT GETS DONE.
IT'S KIND LIKE IF YOU, IF YOU NOT ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS, THEN IT'S A WRONG PLACE FOR YOU.
WE'RE REAL, REAL BIG ON THE RIGHT BUS, THE RIGHT SEAT ON THE BUS, THE RIGHT PERSON IN THAT SEAT.
AND YOU HAVE TO LIKE PUT NAME TAGS ON THE SEATS AND WHO'S ALL GOING WHERE.
THAT'S WHERE WE, THAT'S WHERE I KIND OF, I GET LOST WITH ALL THIS STUFF BECAUSE, BUT THE VOTER DOESN'T KNOW THAT.
SO THIS IS ALSO FOR THE, THE, THE ELECTORATE TO SEE THAT THIS
THAT'S WHAT, AND SO WE JUST PUT A, WE'RE PUTTING WORDS ON PAPER AND FINDING A WAY TO, AT THE END OF THE YEAR, BE ABLE TO SAY WE DID SOMETHING.
AND AGAIN, I'M LEARNING, BUT THAT'S HOW I READ THIS STUFF.
I DIDN'T COMPLETE COLLEGE SO I WON'T SAY IT'S A BUNCH OF COLLEGE WORDS, BUT IT'S A BUNCH OF WORDS THAT GET ON THERE THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, DID THIS COUNCIL DO ANYTHING? UH, NUMBER THREE TO FOLLOW THROUGH OUR PILLAR.
'CAUSE I WOULD TELL YOU NOW THE MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC PROBABLY DOES NOT THINK WE'VE BEEN GROWING RESPONSIBLY AND SUSTAINABLY.
BUT IF WE DID A SECRET POLL IN HERE, WE WOULD ALL SAY WE'VE DONE A HELL OF A JOB AND WE'D PAT OURSELF ON THE BACK FOR THE WAY WE DID IT.
SO WE GOTTA CHANGE WORDS AND PUT WATER IN THERE TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T RUN OUTTA WATER IN A COUPLE YEARS.
BUT IF WE HAVE TO PUT THAT ON PAPER, I THINK THAT'S PART OF OUR PROBLEM.
WELL CAN I, CAN I REPHRASE, CAN I RE REPHRASE THE PERSPECTIVE THEN OR OFFER ESSENTIAL REPHRASE OF THE PERSPECTIVE? YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT COUNCIL GIVING STAFF PRIORITIES AND HELPING US IDENTIFY WHERE YOU WANT US TO SPEND OUR TIME AND ENERGY.
THAT IS WHAT THESE BULLET POINTS DO IN A WAY.
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STRUCTURE BUDGET PROPOSALS, REQUESTS, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? ARE WE GONNA SUNSET THAT PROGRAM? ARE WE GONNA START A NEW PROGRAM OR PROPOSE IT, WHATEVER WE GO BACK AND REFLECT ON THESE.SO THIS IS WHERE SOME OF THAT CONVERSATION STARTS WITH COUNCIL SAYING, HEY, AND MAYBE YOU TAKE ALL THOSE BULLET POINTS THERE OFF THAT COMPLETE THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW.
AND YOU START WITH JUST THE PARAGRAPH AND YOU'RE LIKE, IN THIS AREA OF GROWING RESPONSIBLY AND SUSTAINABLY, WHERE DO WE WANT STAFF TO FOCUS THEIR ENERGY THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS? AND THEN, THEN YOU'RE DEFINING IT AND THAT'S HELPING NARROW DOWN, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR ATTEMPT TO DO EVERYTHING THAT'S COMING OUR WAY AND MAYBE WE'RE NOT DOING THE THINGS THAT Y'ALL WANT.
SO NO, I LIKE WHAT JAMES IS TALKING ABOUT IS A LOT OF TIMES I SAY I FEEL LIKE THE COUNCIL IS WAITING FOR STAFF TO COME UP WITH THE SOLUTIONS.
IT'S, WE, WE, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, WE FEEL LIKE STAFF'S SUPPOSED TO IDENTIFY THE ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY AND AND FROM THAT COME TO US WITH PLANS AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY YES OR NO.
AND I'M LIKE, BUT OUR JOB IS, I SEE IT AS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THE ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO RELAY THOSE TO STAFF AND THEN STAFF WITH THEIR TRAINING AND THEIR EXPERTISE IS LIKE, OKAY, YOU WANNA BUILD A THREE BEDROOM HOUSE, HERE'S WHAT YOUR OPTIONS ARE.
WHEREAS RIGHT NOW, I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF TIMES WE JUST SAY WE NEED A PLACE TO LIVE.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL DO YOU WANT LIKE AN APARTMENT? DO YOU WANT THIS? AND WE DON'T GIVE ANY DIRECTION AND WHATEVER HELPS YOU GUYS ON THIS.
I GET, I, THIS IS LEARNING FROM ME.
IT'S JUST MORE ME OUTSIDE THINKING LIKE I, WE JUST DON'T SIT AROUND AND DO A LOT OF PLANNING LIKE THIS.
WE KNOW WHAT OUR JOB IS AND AND YOU EXECUTE IT OR GO ELSEWHERE, BUT WHATEVER IT CAN BE TO HELP US HELP DIRECT YOU GUYS ON WHAT WE NEED ON ALL FOR IT.
YEAH, WELL I I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PROBLEM, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE DO THIS AT DELL ALL THE TIME.
WE HAVE ANNUAL GOALS, WE HAVE STRATEGIC PLANS, WE DO THIS.
SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHY YOU'RE STRUGGLING 'CAUSE YOU JUST DON'T DO IT.
THAT'S NOT RIGHT BECAUSE YOU WORK FOR A COMPANY THAT'S IN
OKAY, SO LEMME ASK YOU GUYS THIS, IT'S JUST NOT, I MEAN I, I'M, I'M, ALL I'M SAYING IS I'M ACKNOWLEDGING THAT, THAT YOU'RE STRUGGLING WITH THIS, RIGHT? THAT, THAT BECAUSE YOU JUST, THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU'VE EXPERIENCED.
YOU'VE BEEN AT THE SAME COMPANY FOR A LONG TIME.
SO LEMME ASK YOU THIS 'CAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS THE BIGGEST, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
HERE'S HOW I SEE TECH, THIS IS OUTSIDE GUY SENIOR TECH.
THEY SAY THEY, THEY SIT AROUND A TABLE, THEY GO THROUGH THIS AND THEY GO, WE WANNA GO AND DO THIS THIS YEAR.
AND SO THEY CUT FUNDING TO THESE DEPARTMENTS AND THEY PUSH IT ALL TO THIS OVER HERE AND THEY GO AND THREE YEARS LATER THEY GO, THAT'S NOT A GOOD MOVE.
THEY LAY OFF ALL THOSE PEOPLE, THEY REORGANIZE AND THEY COME BACK OVER HERE.
AND I SEE THAT'S WHAT I SEE IS A LOT OF REORG REORGANIZING.
AND WE JUST SAW ALL THE AUTOMOTIVE COMPANIES THOUGH, BILLIONS OF ELECTRIC CARS AND COME BACK.
I DON'T THINK GOVERNMENT CAN BE THAT WAY.
GOVERNMENT CAN'T GO AND GO DOWN A PATH FOR THREE YEARS AND THEN COME BACK AND GO, YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY A BAD MOVE.
SO COLOR IS THE AREAS OF THE ROAD WHERE YOU GO.
SO YOU KNOW, IF IT IS, IF IT'S IN A TECH COMPANY AND IT WAS, BUT YOU'RE GONNA BE THE BEST AT, YOU KNOW, INTEGRATED CIRCUITS IN POWER, THEN WHAT POWER GROUP YOU GO AFTER MIGHT CHANGE RAPIDLY BECAUSE IT'S A FAST EVOLVING THING.
BUT THEY'RE STILL IN THE GROUP OF POWER DISTRIBUTION EQUIPMENT.
SO DELL IS LIKE SERVERS, COMPUTERS, THEY'RE NOT OUT MAKING CAMERAS, RIGHT? SO AND 20 YEARS AGO WE WERE LAPTOPS, WE, OUR MAIN THING WAS DESKTOPS AND LAPTOPS TODAY.
BUT WE, THE, THE, THE TECH COMPANIES HAVE TO BE RES HAVE TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE MARKET AND WHAT THE MARKET IS DRIVING.
AND SO YEAH, THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF VOLATILITY IN A TECH MARKET.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT SHOULD BE APPLIED TO THE, TO I JUST AS LONG AS NOT AS SIMPLE AS JUST BUILDING A GAS STATION.
I'M NEVER GONNA BE, I'M NEVER GONNA ENCOUNTER AS LONG AS I'M HERE ANOTHER LAYOFF BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH IT.
NO ONE ELSE HERE HAS BEEN THROUGH IT AND MY PARENTS HAVEN'T RETIRED FROM THE GOVERNMENT.
YOU GO TO THE GOVERNMENT FOR STABILITY NOW YOU DON'T NECESSARILY GO THERE FOR THE HIGHEST PAYING JOBS.
TYPICALLY I'VE BEEN TOLD FOR BENEFITS AND STABILITY AND SO HAVING BEEN THROUGH THAT ONE TIME, THAT'S WHY I'M ALWAYS CRITICAL OF EVERYTHING 'CAUSE I'M LIKE, WE CAN'T AFFORD AND WE'RE A SERVICE ORGANIZATION AT THE END OF THE DAY, RIGHT? I MEAN WE'RE NOT HERE TO INVENT THINGS AND, AND WE'RE JUST HERE TO PROVIDE A SERVICE.
AND SO ANYWAY, WE'RE ALMOST OUTTA TIME.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO.
I I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU GUYS.
THAT IS OUR BIGGEST CULTURE CLASH ON THE COUNCIL IS PROBABLY FIVE OF YOU ARE IN TECH.
I THINK EMILY AND I ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT NOT IN TECH AND SHE PROBABLY KNOWS MORE ABOUT TECH THAN I DO.
SO, SO WE ARE ALMOST OUT OF TIME.
UM, IS THERE ANY SPECIFIC CHANGES, ADDITIONS OR TASKS COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN PILLAR NUMBER FOUR AND THE OBJECTIVES? JUST A SMALL ONE.
I NOTICED A SECOND BULLET JUST UPDATE THE NAME OF THE DNI COMMISSION AND I, NOTHING
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ELSE STOOD OUT TO ME TO CHANGE.YEAH, YOU MIGHT WANT TO JUST ADJUST THE WORDING ON THE JUSTICE CENTER JUST TO HAVE IT ADVANCE A LITTLE BIT FROM WHERE IT WAS, I GUESS.
YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF, ONE OF THOSE, I'M LIKE, NOT A SPED UP PROCESS BUT A, A QUICKER I GUESS TIMELINE.
'CAUSE I KNOW OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME TO HAVE A, A NEW POLICE STATION LIKE FIVE YEARS, RIGHT? BUT IF WE CAN GET THAT, YOU KNOW, DOWN TO FOUR YEARS AND STILL, YOU KNOW, EXECUTE IT WELL AND THAT'D BE GREAT AND IT'LL SAVE MONEY TOO.
UM, JUST KIND OF LIKE A, A LITTLE BIT MORE MOVEMENT ON THAT.
'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE HAD A PRESENTATION AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND I THINK THAT THEY'RE STILL MAYBE WORKING ON SOME LIKE FINAL DETAILS BUT NOT QUITE SURE WHEN THAT'S GONNA COME IN IN FRONT OF US.
WE HAVE TO HAVE THE WORD STATE OF THE ART POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IS THERE A FEAR THAT WE WOULD, WE JUST PUT, DEVELOP A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT WE WOULD SOMEHOW HAVE SOMETHING THAT WASN'T CURRENTLY
SO THIS IS ALSO A, A, A PUBLIC FACING DOCUMENT FOR, FOR RESIDENTS AND INVESTORS AND, AND BUSINESSES COMING HERE.
SO, SO SOME WORDING IS IMPORTANT IN, IN MARKETING TERMS. UM, IF WE TOOK THAT OUT, THAT WOULD NOT AFFECT THE PRODUCT.
UH, BUT, BUT IT IS PURELY FOR, SO BUSINESS MAY NOT COME HERE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING BUSINESSES MAY BE COMING HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE STUFF LIKE YOU DON'T SAY JUST GOOD ENOUGH DEPARTMENT.
WELL AND I THINK STATE OF THE ART, SOMETIMES IT'S LOADED DIFFERENTLY FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
SOME PEOPLE JUST SEE IT AS BEING MODERN AND, AND EFFICIENT AND WHATEVER.
AND SOME PEOPLE SEE IT AS IT'S GONNA BE ROBOCOP AND MINORITY REPORT.
STATE OF THE ART MEANS YOU'RE USING THE BEST BUSINESS PRACTICES.
YOU BUT SOME PEOPLE, BUT SOME PEOPLE SEE LIKE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S I'M SAYING LIKE YES, SOME PEOPLE DO SEE IT.
DRONES, YOU KNOW, I THINK MOST, NO, YOU STILL GOTTA YOU STILL GOTTA PAY ATTENTION TO THE PEOPLE WHO DO BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE, EITHER WAY, IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF THE PRODUCT.
I'M JUST ASKING SOME QUESTIONS BECAUSE I REPRESENT PEOPLE THAT AGREE WITH ME AND I REPRESENT PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE IT OR NOT, UM, THEY AGREE WITH ME AND DISAGREE WITH ME.
AND SO I JUST HEAR THINGS AND I KNOW LIKE WHEN I, FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S ANOTHER ORGANIZATION EVERY TIME THEY BUILD SOMETHING IT'S, IT'S STATE OF THE ART AND I WALK IN AND THE LIGHTS AUTOMATICALLY CHANGE BASED ON THE, AN THE, THE LIGHTING OUTSIDE AND I SEE ALL THIS AND THEY'RE LIKE, WE BOTH STATE OF THE ART FACILITY AND I'M LIKE, KEVIN, DID YOU NEED ALL THIS? DOES ALL THIS MILLIONS YOU SPENT ON THIS, DOES IT ACTUALLY HELP YOU DO THE SERVICE YOU'RE PROVIDING? THAT THE ANSWER IS YES, I THINK IT'S WORTH IT.
BUT I SEE STATE-OF-THE-ART PERSONALLY AND I SEE PLANS THAT ARE POTENTIALLY MORE THAN WHAT IS NEEDED BECAUSE WE GOTTA BE SEEN LIKE THESE WINDOWS CHANGE, THESE ARE THINGS REALLY NEED TO COME UP AND DOWN MECHANICALLY OR LIKE, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, AUTOMATICALLY? I MEAN IF WE SPENT $25,000 ON AUTOMATIC BLINDS, I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED.
AND IT'S JUST THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT'S STATE OF THE ART AND I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE WANT THAT.
UM, THEY JUST WANT TO HAVE NICE LOOKING THINGS THAT OPERATE WELL THAT, THAT DO ALL THIS.
BUT I DON'T CARE IF IT'S IN, I'LL JUST ASK A QUESTION.
WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT ABOUT IT? IS THERE AN ASPIRATIONAL DATE FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER TO BE COMPLETED THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE IN THIS PLAN? I'M NOT EVEN SURE.
$67 MILLION OR WHATEVER IT IS DECIDED.
I MEAN ARE WE, ARE WE GONNA HAVE AN ELECTION ON IT SO THAT'S YEAH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A BOND.
SO I MEAN THAT WILL DETERMINE IF THE VOTERS DO IT, THEN WE ACCELERATE WHEN IT HAPPENS BECAUSE THE VOTER'S APPROVED AND THEY KNOW AND THE LANGUAGE WILL BE WRITTEN THAT THEY UNDERSTAND YOU VOTE FOR THIS, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A 2 CENT PER A HUNDRED DOLLARS VALUATION INCREASE OF YOUR THING.
IT HAS TO GET, I DON'T THINK, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, YOU'RE TALKING 20 MILLION A YEAR IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE COMING IN POTENTIALLY WHAT, 18 MONTHS AND SO THAT 20 MILLION A YEAR, WHERE DO YOU SPEND IT ON? IF WE HAVE THINGS ENGINEERED, I TALK ABOUT THIS WITH UH, JAMES ALL THE TIME.
WE CAN SIT BACK AND GO, OKAY, EVERY THREE YEARS WE'RE BUILDING A LIBRARY, WE'RE BUILDING A A POLICE STATION, WE'RE BUILDING A PUBLIC WORKS OR WE CAN RUN IT OUT TO THE VOTERS.
BUT THEY VOTE FOR THAT AND THEN THEY COMPLAINED THAT THE TEXAS WENT UP BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THE WAY WE WORD IT.
SO WE CAN DO THAT, WE CAN DO THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO HOUSE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
YOU HAVE SAID MANY, MANY TIMES, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A BOND THUMB UP, THUMB DOWN MASS VOTING OF ANY ONE PROJECT THAT THEN YOU WOULD GO OUT AND VOTE FOR IT IMMEDIATELY AND APPROVE IT AND DO IT BECAUSE IT HAD THE VOTER'S APPROVAL.
YOU HAVE SAID THAT MANY, MANY TIMES.
YES, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SO NOW YOU'RE SAYING, SAYING DON'T GO DO THAT.
NO, NO THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID.
WHAT I SAID IS WHEN YOU SAY WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING A CERTAIN WAY, I'M TELLING YOU I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO DO THIS.
I SAID TO GET IT DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
THE WAY WE DO THAT WOULD BE TO GO TO THE VOTERS AND GET APPROVAL AND IF THEY SHOT
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IT DOWN THEN YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT PLAN.MAYBE THAT IS THAT THEN YOU WAIT TILL YOU HAVE FOR LOAD THIS MONEY COMING IN AND YOU DO A ONE OFF PAY THE CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION AND YOU PAY THAT MONEY FOR THOSE YEARS.
I SAID ARGUING WITH YOU, YOU DOWNSTAIRS
I ALWAYS TELL THE CITY MANAGER I'M NOT EVERY TIME I HEAR YOU CAN'T AND YOU HAVE TO.
I FIGHT BACK BECAUSE I'M LIKE WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT TO DO.
IT'S JUST YOU GOTTA DO A DIFFERENT ROUTE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WE DON'T WANNA DO.
WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A DIFFERENT ROUTE.
SO NO TO THE DEDICATED DATE TARGET.
SO BY 2030 WE WOULD PUT BALL FIELDS IN HERE.
I MEAN THERE'S, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE ENHANCED PARKLAND BUT PEOPLE VOTED AT 2017 TO HAVE BALL FIELDS AND WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET.
WE'VE SPENT 20, 30 MILLION ON OTHER STUFF.
LIBRARY DOES THAT NEED TO BE IN HERE? UM, WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? PUBLIC WORKS PROBABLY PUBLIC WORKS IS THE OTHER ONE THAT WOULD PROBABLY GO, PROBABLY NEED TO PUT THAT IN NUMBER ONE.
RIGHT? THAT WOULD ADD IN EFFICIENCY.
UM, OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA PUBLIC WORK STRINGING EQUIPMENT OUT ALL OVER THE CITY.
I MEAN IT, THAT'S WHERE I GET IN THESE THINGS WHERE IF WE'RE GONNA PUT LIKE ONE THING ABOUT A POLICE STATION, THEN WE OUGHT TO BE PUTTING ALL THE BIG TICKET THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, SO WHAT I HEAR WHENEVER THERE IS A BULLET POINT THAT INCLUDES A JUSTICE CENTER AND DOESN'T INCLUDE THE PUBLIC WORKS IN THE LIBRARY IS THAT MY ENERGY SHOULD BE ON DELIVERING THAT OVER THE OTHER TWO.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE MADE THAT DECISION YET ON WHICH ONE? WE WENT FURTHER JUST SAYING THAT THAT'S WHAT IT DOES WHENEVER.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WAS GOING BACK TO Y'ALL PUTTING ITEMS IN YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN IS TELLING US HOW TO PRIORITIZE RESOURCES AND EFFORT.
DEFINITELY THAT FIRST BULLET COVERS SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS.
YEAH, BUT I WOULD PUT PUBLIC WORKS IN THERE TOO.
A LOT OF PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW WHAT PUBLIC WORKS DO, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY THE HEART OF THE CITY.
RIGHT? AND SO, UM, JAMES'S POINT THAT'S FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
YOU KNOW, THEY PROVIDE WA YOU KNOW, WHEN WATER ISSUES ARE INTERRUPTED WASTEWATER YOU GOTTA PICK ONE, WHICH WHAT THEY DO PUBLIC WORKS OR POLICE 'CAUSE WE CAN'T PRIORITIZE BOTH OF 'EM.
RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T SAYING THAT.
NO, I'M SAYING FOR BOTH OF THEM.
I'M SAYING BUT BOTH OF THEM IN WITH THE EXCLUSION OF THEM NOT BEING IN THE WAY I INTERPRET THAT IS COUNCIL HAS SAID THEIR PRIORITY IS THE JUSTICE CENTER.
SO THEREFORE IF IT IS GIVE MORE RESOURCES TO THE JUSTICE CENTER OR SPLIT RESOURCES BETWEEN THE JUSTICE CENTER PUBLIC WORKS AND LIBRARY, I'M GOING TO CHOOSE, GIVE MORE RESOURCES TO THE JUSTICE CENTER BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL HAVE SAID IS YOUR PRIORITY TO GET DONE.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, UM, THAT WE WON'T DO THE OTHER ONES.
IT'S JUST THAT I'M GOING TO PRIORITIZE THE EFFORT ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH MATT RECTOR AND JAMES
SO THAT MEANS JUSTICE CENTER GETS THAT TYPE OF TREATMENT.
THE REST OF THE STUFF WORKS ITS WAY THROUGH AS IT WORKS ITS WAY THROUGH.
I WOULD SAY JUSTICE CENTER PRIORITY, PUBLIC WORKS LIKE SECONDARY BUT'S STILL A PRIORITY.
WELL I THINK THE PUBLIC WORKS PLAN HAD ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY THAT YOU CAN BREAK IT INTO CHUNKS.
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SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S TOTALLY AN
I THINK IT'S TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE PROGRESS ON THE PUBLIC WORKS WHILE HAVING A FOCUS ON THE POLICE, ON THE JUSTICE CENTER FOR, FOR THIS SPECIFIC BULLET POINT.
UM, STAFF WILL BRING BACK A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS ONBOARDING FOR, FOR COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHEN WE BRING BACK APPROVAL FOR THE PLAN.
THAT, THAT WHOLE CONVERSATION IS PRETTY TOUGH TO STICK IN THAT TEST.
YOU LIKE THIS OR THIS ONE BETTER? THIS ONE
IS IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS I THINK WE'RE OUT OF TIME FOR STAFF TO BE CONSIDERING BEFORE WE BRING BACK FOR APPROVAL? NO.
IF COUNCIL WANTS TO CONTINUE USING THE ONLINE MESSAGING BOARD, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL TASKS, TASKS THAT WERE NOT DISCUSSED TODAY, UH, PLEASE DO AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REVIEWING.
YOU GUYS DO LOOK AT THOSE? YES SIR.
SO I STOPPED USING, I KNOW THE COUNCIL DOESN'T LOOK AT WHEN I WRITE, BUT I, IF YOU GUYS DO, I'LL WRITE IT.
IT ALERTS ME WHENEVER SOMEBODY POSTS IT DOES.
I, I GOT AN EMAIL AND YEAH, AS SOON AS YOU POSTED I GOT, IT'S LIKE WHOEVER POSTED THEY LOCKED ME OUTTA THAT.
I'M LOOKING AT SUN SETTING IT.
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Y'ALL BETTER GET TO USE THATHOW MUCH DO WE PAY FOR THE WE? ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE FOR THIS, UH, THE PLAN, THE THREE TWO DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED WORK SESSION TOPICS? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THERE? WE'LL, ADJOURN 6:50 PM.