8.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, and Area Government appointments.

[8.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, and Area Government appointments. ]

>> NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 81, CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENT, REAPPOINTMENT, AND/OR REMOVAL TO CITY BOARDS, OMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC ROMAN CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS, TASK -- AREA

GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS. >> WE HAVE NOT MET SINCE LAST WEEK, BUT WE DO STILL HAVE SOME OPENINGS AS MENTIONED AT LAST WEEK'S MEETING, SO PLEASE GO ONLINE AND SEE. I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE THE LIST IN FRONT OF ME. I IMAGINE IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO LAST WEEK, SO WE DO ENCOURAGE YOU TO STEP UP AND SERVE YOUR CITY. IT IS REWARDING, IT'S A LOT OF WORK, BUT IT'S VERY REWARDING. PLEASE GO ON THERE. WE DO HAVE SOME APPLICATIONS. I THINK I GOT AN EMAIL ABOUT IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THE OTHER TWO GENTLEMEN, MIGHT KNOW, BUT WE WILL BE GETTING TO THOSE. WE DO HAVE AN OBLIGATION FOR OPENING. EXPECT US TO BE GIVING YOU A

CALL. >> JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU GUYS HAVE DECIDED IF THE APPLICATION COMES IN , IT'S NOT A POSITION

YOU ALL ARE DECLINING? >> AT THIS TIME WE ARE NOT

[8.2. Consideration and possible action regarding recommendations or updates from City Council sub-committees (i.e. Legislative, HISD). ]

CHANGING, NO. >> ALL RIGHT. CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RECOMMENDATIONS OR UPDATES FROM CITY COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEES.

ISD SUBCOMMITTEE , HOLIDAY. WE DID NOT MEET. ALL RIGHT. 9.1,

[9.1. | Presentation and demonstration of WaterSmart the new online utility portal (Monica Burke/Rick Coronado) ]

PRESENTATION AND DEMONSTRATION OF KHILA COLEMAN, THE NEW ONLINE WATER UTILITY PORTAL. MAKE SURE I GOT A COMMENT FROM A CITIZEN THAT TYPICALLY IS NOT FAVORABLE TO THINGS THAT WE DO. THEY WERE VERY EXCITED BY THIS NEW SYSTEM. IT ACTUALLY HELPED THEM FIND A LEAK OF LIKE 300 GALLONS A DAY , BUT THEY DID NOT KNOW. WHATEVER WE ARE DOING, WE JUST TURNED IN A SAYER INTO A VERY HAPPY PERSON AND PAY THEIR WATER BILL, SO THIS IS GREAT STUFF.

>> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL, UTILITY BILLING MANAGER. IT'S NICE TO BE HERE TONIGHT. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. I JUST WANT TO GO OVER THE NEW PROCESS THAT IS AVAILABLE. SO, AFTER SOME GOING TO START WITH WHY THIS FEATURE OR SOFTWARE IS CAPABLE OF HIS ABILITIES TO DO THAT. WE HAVE A SYSTEM . WITHOUT THAT SYSTEM, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THIS DATA. SO, IT'S KIND OF -- THE SOFTWARE WE CURRENTLY HAVE WITH TRENT 23 IS ABLE TO DO WHAT IT DOES BECAUSE OF THE AMI SYSTEM WE HAVE IN PLACE. THIS SYSTEM HAS BEEN WITH THE CITY SINCE 2015. PRETTY MUCH WE HAVE

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TO HAVE SMART METERS IN THE GROUND IN ORDER FOR THIS TO WORK. THE SMART METERS COMMUNICATE TO A NETWORK , THEN FROM THERE IT GATHERS ALL THE DATA MANAGEMENT. AND THEN IT TRANSLATES IT GOES INTO THE THE UTILITY BILLING OFFICE AND COMES BACK AROUND. SO IT KIND OF JUST GOES IN CIRCLES FROM THE CUSTOMERS, THE ADDRESS TO THE COLLECTORS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY , GATHERS ALL THE DATA, COMES BACK TO THE UTILITY OFFICE AND WERE ABLE TO TAKE THAT DATA AND PROCESS BILLS. 24 HOURS, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, DATA COMES IN AND IMPLEMENTS BETWEEN 15 MINUTES OR SO, BUT ON REPORTS THAT WE HAVE, IT'S ABOUT AN HOUR, SO WE ARE ABLE TO SEE A LOT OF INFORMATION. AT THAT TIME, WE HAD THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE JUST FOR OUR OFFICE.

AND FOR OUR OFFICE STAFF. THEY WERE ABLE TO USE THAT, WE WERE ABLE TO USE IT ON CUSTOMERS TO CALL AND LET US KNOW HEY, THE WATER BILL IS HIGH, SO WE WOULD AT THAT TIME BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE DATA, BUT NOW WE ARE ABLE TO TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND PUT IT IN THE CUSTOMERS HANDS. AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO VIEW THAT DATA WITH THE WATERSMART PORTAL. SO, WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. THE BENEFITS IS THAT IS GOT IMPROVED EFFICIENCY, IT ELIMINATES HUMAN ERROR, EARLY LEAK DETECTION, OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY , AND SUSTAINABILITY. THAT IS ALL THE BENEFITS OF THE AMI THAT WE ARE TAKING IN PUTTING INTO THE WATERSMART PORTAL. THE TRENT 23 CUSTOMER PORTAL FEATURES , THE RESIDENTS CAN NOW MONITOR THEIR OWN USAGE 24/7. RESIDENTS WILL RECEIVE LEAK ALERTS AND HIGH USAGE NOTIFICATIONS.

CUSTOMIZABLE USAGE REPORTS, CONSERVATION TIPS, AND IT'S GOING TO PROMOTE WATER CONSERVATION THROUGH NEAR AND REAL-TIME USAGE MONITORING. WITH THE WATERSMART PORTAL, CAME THE NEW PAYMENT PORTAL THAT WE ALL HAVE REQUESTED FOR US TO LOOK INTO JUST TO GET LOWER FEES. THEY WORK TOGETHER. SO, WE IMPLEMENT IT BOTH OF THOSE AT THE SAME TIME. SO, AT THE SAME TIME THAT WATERSMART PORTAL CAME ON, SO DID THE NEW PAYMENT PORTAL. AND OF COURSE THAT FEATURE IS WE ARE GOING FROM THE 4.25 PROCESSING FEE TO THE 2.7. BEFORE WE DIDN'T HAVE ONLINE E CHECKING. IF SOMEONE WAS TO DO AN E CHECK ONLINE, NOW IT'S $.95 PER TRANSACTION, SO THAT THE NEW FEATURE. THERE'S OTHER MULTIPLE PAYMENT OPTIONS THAT WERE NOT ON THE OLD FEATURE AND THAT INCLUDES APPLE PAY, GOOGLE PAY, THEN MOW PAY. ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE CUSTOMER NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS NEW PAYMENT PORTAL. THE ONLY THING I DO WANT TO ADD TO THIS IS E CHECKS , IF THEY DO IT ONLINE, IT'S $.95. YOU CAN SET UP AUTO PAY FOR YOUR CREDIT CARD NOW AND AN E CHECK. IF THEY DO IT ONLINE, IT IS $.95. BUT THEY CAN STILL CONTINUE TO DO IT THROUGH OUR OFFICE, WHICH HANDING OVER PAPER, AUTHORIZING US TO DO IT THROUGH OUR CURRENT BANK SYSTEM , THAT FEATURE IS STILL NO COST. SO THEY WILL STILL HAVE THAT OPTION , BUT IF THEY JUST DECIDED I JUST WANT TO DO IT ONLINE, AND PAY THE $.95, THEN THEY WILL GET THAT CHARGE THERE. THE MINIMUM , IT IS ONE .50 PER TRANSACTION FEE. THAT IS PRETTY MUCH IT. WE DID SOME OUTREACH EFFORTS , WE SENT OUT EMAILS , WE DID SOCIAL MEDIA UPDATES. WEBSITE ANNOUNCEMENTS. BILL INSERTS. WE SENT OUT PHONE CALLS. AND THEN WE CURRENTLY HAVE A VIDEO RIGHT NOW THAT IS A STEP-BY-STEP ON INTRODUCING THE NEW PORTAL AND HOW TO GET REGISTERED. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT, WE HAVE THAT AVAILABLE. ALSO. GO AHEAD.

>> IS THIS THE FIVE-MINUTE ONE?

>> YEAH. >> IS A FIVE MINUTES?

>> I THINK IT'S FIVE MINUTES. >> OKAY.

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>> THE CITY OF TRAN WAS EXCITED TO LAUNCH OUR NEW AND IMPROVED

WATER BILL PAYMENT SERVICE. >> IT IS A LOT OF SCREENS TO

MANAGE, ISN'T IT? >> I WAS NOT PREPARED FOR THIS.

BEAR WITH ME. >> I GOT YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. >> AND OUR NEW WATER USAGE PORTAL, WATERSMART. FOR OUR RESIDENTS , IT MEANS REDUCED PAYMENT PROCESSING FEES, AND PAYMENT OPTIONS AND MORE. THE TRENT 23 PORTAL PROVIDES REAL-TIME WATER USAGE MONITORING, LEAK ALERTS, AND OTHER HELPFUL NOTIFICATIONS. ALL CITY OF HUTTO UTILITY CUSTOMERS WHO UTILIZE ONLINE PAYMENTS WILL NEED TO REREGISTER WITH THE NEW PORTAL, AND CUSTOMERS MAKING AUTO PAYMENTS WITH A CREDIT OR DEBIT CARD WILL NEED TO RE-ENTER THEIR DETAILS. CHECK OUT THE FOLLOWING VIDEO TO LEARN HOW TO REGISTER FOR THIS EXCITING NEW SERVICE.

>> WELCOME TO THE WATERSMART CUSTOMER PORTAL. WATERSMART IS AVAILABLE TO THE HUTTO COMMUNITY THROUGH BOTH MOBILE AND WET.

REGISTERING FOR YOUR TRENT 23 ACCOUNT IS SIMPLE. ALL YOU WILL NEED IS YOUR WATER BILL, ACCOUNT NUMBER, AND YOUR Z.I.P. CODE.

YOUR ACCOUNT NUMBER CAN BE FOUND IN THE UPPER RIGHT-HAND CORNER OF YOUR PAPER BILL, OR YOUR T-BILL. WELCOME PAGE. YOU WILL ENTER IN YOUR WATER BILL ACCOUNT NUMBER AND Z.I.P. CODE AND CLICK ON FIND MY ACCOUNT. BE SURE TO USE THE Z.I.P. CODE FOR YOUR SERVICE ADDRESS AND NOT YOUR BILLING ADDRESS IF IT IS DIFFERENT. YOU WILL FIRST BE PROMPTED TO CONFIRM THAT THE ACCOUNT IS YOURS, AND THEN YOU WILL BE PROMPTED TO SET UP A LOGIN USING YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AND A SECURE PASSWORD. ONCE YOU HAVE COMPLETED YOUR REGISTRATION, YOU WILL BE TAKEN INTO YOUR SECURE WATER SMART PORTAL . WITHIN YOUR PORTAL YOU WILL SEE A WEALTH OF INFORMATION REGARDING YOUR WATER CONSUMPTION AS WELL AS NOTIFICATIONS AND USE. AS A FIRST STEP, WE RECOMMEND UPDATING YOUR COMMUNICATION PREFERENCES SO THAT YOU CAN RECEIVE AUTOMATED UPDATES FOR SUSPECTED LEAKS, AS WELL AS HIGH USE VIA THE COMMUNITY CHANNELS OF YOUR PREFERENCE. TO DO SO, CLICK ON THE SETTINGS TAB IN THE TOP BAR AND ON COMMUNICATION PREFERENCES. ON THE COMMUNICATION PREFERENCES PAGE, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO ADJUST YOUR PREFERRED COMMUNICATION METHODS. SET OR CHANGE YOUR ENROLLMENT AND DAILY USE NOTIFICATIONS SO YOU CAN RECEIVE AN ALERT IF YOUR USE IS HIGHER THAN USUAL, AND ADD ADDITIONAL EMAIL ADDRESSES TO YOUR ACCOUNT SO THAT AN ATTENDANT OR FAMILY MEMBER CAN ACCESS YOUR CUSTOMER PORTAL AS WELL. BY OPTING INTO UTILITY CONNECT, YOU WILL BE ENROLLED TO RECEIVE TARGETED MESSAGES FROM THE CITY OF HUTTO RECORDING IMPORTANT UTILITY SERVICE ISSUES. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD ADDITIONAL USERS SUCH AS TENANTS, LANDSCAPERS, OR FAMILY MEMBERS, YOU CAN DO SO EASILY WITHIN THE PORTAL. JUST CLICK ON ADDITIONAL USERS IN THE LEFT-HAND NAVIGATION BAR AND THEN CLICK ON THE BLUE ADD USER BUTTON. YOU WILL THEN BE PROMPTED TO CHOOSE THE ROLE FOR THE USER AND ENTER IN THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION. IF ANYTHING CHANGES LATER ON, YOU CAN EDIT THE INFORMATION OR REMOVE THE USER AT ANY POINT. IN ORDER TO GET THE MOST OUT OF THE WATER SMART PORTAL, YOU WILL WANT TO MAKE SURE YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION IS ACCURATE AND UP TO DATE. THE CITY OF HUTTO MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CONTACT YOU ABOUT LEAKS OR OTHER SERVICE ISSUES IF YOU DO NOT PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION. IF YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS OR PHONE NUMBER CHANGES IS AT ANY POINT, YOU CAN UPDATE THEM IN THE PORTAL ON THE ACCOUNT SETTINGS PAGE. YOU WILL BE ABLE TO ENTER IN ANY NEW INFORMATION AND SAVE CHANGES.

THANKS AND WE HOPE YOU ENJOY USING THE WATER SMART PORTAL.

>> GREAT JOB. >> AND THERE WAS THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE.

>> I HAVE TO FINISH THE PAPER, I'M SWAMPED.

>> NOBODY TOLD THE COLLEGE WOULD BE SO DAMP.

>> IT'S GREAT. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> SO, I WAS CREATING MY ACCOUNT AS WE WERE KIND OF WATCHING THAT. SO, IT'S NOT ON THE CITY OF HUTTO'S WEBSITE, YOU DO HAVE TO GO TO AN OFF-SITE WATER SMART URL THAT IS DIFFERENT, AND THEN YOU CAN SET THAT UP. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YOU ACTUALLY CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE AND TO THE CITY OF HUTTO WEBSITE AND CLICK ON ONLINE UTILITY PAYMENTS, AND IT'LL

TAKE YOU TO THE AERO. >> BUT YOU END UP BELIEVING LIKE THE CITIES I GUESSED SITE, BUT THAT'S TOTALLY SECURE AND IT'S OKAY? IN ORDER TO GET THAT SET UP.

>> THIS IS GREAT. I REALLY LIKE THAT, IT PROMOTES SUSTAINABILITY AND ENCOURAGES CONSERVATION. PEOPLE CAN SEE THEIR REAL-TIME

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DAILY USAGE. MY RIGHT NOW IS 133 GALLONS PER DAY. I JUST POPPED IT UP. SO I WILL EVENTUALLY LEARN LIKE WHAT THAT MEANS, RIGHT? YOU CAN MONITOR THAT REAL-TIME AND I REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL WORKING HARD TO REDUCE THE PROCESSING FEES , THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP A WHILE BACK AND Y'ALL REALLY LOOKED INTO FINANCING YOURSELF, YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF BILLING AND HOW WE CHARGE THE RESIDENCE , Y'ALL REALLY WORKED HARD TO TRY TO GET THE BEST DEAL WHILE STILL OPERATING , GREAT PROGRAMS, AND NOW INTEGRATING THIS, SOMETHING NEW, TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED , SO THAT WE CAN , YOU KNOW, EASILY PAY THE BILL AND SEE WATER USAGE, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LOT, BUT YOUR EXPERTISE HAS BEEN GREAT, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

>> I WANT TO ECHO THE SAME SENTIMENTS. THIS IS SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GETTING THIS AND ROLLING IT OUT AT THE SAME TIME AS THE FEE SCHEDULE AS WELL. I THINK THIS ALIGNS PERFECTLY WITH THE LONG-TERM CITY PLANNING THAT WE HAVE AS WELL AS ANY SORT OF INCREMENTAL INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS , SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GETTING THIS. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CITIZENS WILL BECOME MORE FAMILIAR WITH OVERTIME AND BE ABLE TO UTILIZE VERY WELL AS WE MOVE FORWARD

WITH IT, SO THANK YOU. >> WE HOPE THAT THEY UTILIZE IT.

I KNOW THAT WE WILL AS A CITY BECAUSE A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION , NOT ONLY FOR THE CITIZENS BUT ALSO FOR PUBLIC WORKS , WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOT OF DATA AND BE ABLE TO HELP

WITH CONSERVATION. >> WE WILL KNOW WHO'S MAKING US GO TO STAGE TWO IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, RIGHT?

>> YES. >> YOU MUST HAVE A CONTINUOUS

FLOW FOR THE PAST 24 HOURS. >> I HAD A QUICK QUESTION. YOU SAID THE VIDEO SET IS AVAILABLE ONLINE OR VIA MOBILE. IS IT VIA MOBILE THROUGH AN APP OR JUST LIKE WEB OPTIMIZED? THANK YOU.

[9.2. Presentation and discussion of the Draft Drainage Master Plan Update (Matt Rector) ]

>> NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 9.2, PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF THE DRAFT DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. FOR THE RECORD, CITY ENGINEER. I'M GOING TO NOT TALK A LOT. I'M GOING TO HANDED OVER TO ANDY WITH -- AND LET HIM TAKE YOU THROUGH THE UPDATE FROM THE LAST TIME YOU SAW THE DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN PRESENTATION.

>> THANK YOU. >> LET ME FIGURE THIS OUT HERE AND SEE IF I CAN GET IT GOING RIGHT. HON. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I CAME AND TALKED TO YOU ALL ABOUT A YEAR AGO NOW TALKING ABOUT A STUDY THAT WE WERE STARTING UP TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEST ADDRESS SOME OF THE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS THAT MAY EXIST WITHIN THE CITY. WE WERE ORIGINALLY CONTRACTED BACK IN OCTOBER OF '23 TO COME UP WITH THIS DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN WITH THE GOAL OF TRYING TO FIX THE WORST OF THE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS IN TOWN, AND MAKE BEST USE OR EFFICIENT USE OF THE LIMITED FUNDS AVAILABLE TO THE CITY.

THIS IS SORT OF A TIE ON OR ADD ON TO A 2018 STUDY THAT WAS PERFORMED THAT DID MASTER PLANNING AS WELL, SO THIS SORT OF CONTINUES THAT EFFORT. WHAT WE DID FIRST OFF WAS COLLECTED DATA ON FLOOD HAZARD. TALKED TO CITY STAFF , DID SOME SERVICE WITH THE CITY, HAD A PUBLIC MEETING BEFORE WE MET WITH Y'ALL LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME. TRY TO GET INFORMATION ON WHERE THE FLOODING PROBLEMS ARE. THERE WAS ALSO SOME LIMITED STUDIES THAT WERE IN PLACE , ENGINEERING STUDIES THAT HELPED IDENTIFY WERE SOME OF THE FLOODING LOCATIONS WERE. LUCKILY AS WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STUDY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE ALL THE PROBLEMS WERE, WILLIAMSON COUNTY RELEASED THEIR FIRST LUMINARY MAPPING, THEIR UPDATING THE FEMA MAPS FOR THE COUNTY, STILL HADN'T BEEN RELEASED YET, BUT THEY GOT THEIR PRELIMINARY MAPS OUT. WHAT THAT DID IS IT EXPENDED THE ENGINEERING KNOWLEDGE WITHIN THE CITY OF HUTTO , AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE USE OF THAT AND GET A MORE REFINED LOOK WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE IN TOWN. SO THEN WE WENT AND CAME UP WITH SOME PROJECT CONCEPTS, ESSENTIALLY UNDERSTANDING FROM AN ENGINEERING NATURE WHERE IS THE BEST PLACE TO PUT IN DETENTION PONDS, BEST PLACE TO PUT IN GENERALIZATION PROJECTS, OTHER SORT OF INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN HELP REDO FLOOD RISKS. WE WOULD GO THROUGH AND EVALUATE PROJECTS AND FIGURE OUT WHICH ONES GIVE YOU YOUR BEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK AND THEN COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. SO, WE WILL GO THROUGH THAT TONIGHT. I DIVIDED UP THE TOWN INTO NORTH AND SOUTH IN THE SKETCH WE HAVE UP THERE. SORT OF HARD TO SEE. BOTTOM LINE, THAT

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SHOWS WILLIAMSON COUNTY PRELIMINARY 100 YEAR FLOODPLAINS, AND WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR, A 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN DOESN'T OCCUR ONCE EVERY 100 YEARS, IT HAS A 1% CHANCE OF OCCURRING IN ANY GIVEN YEAR. TECHNICALLY, YOU CAN HAVE 100 YEAR FLOODS ONE YEAR , ANOTHER ONE A MONTH LATER. VERY RARE, BUT IT CAN HAPPEN. JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY SAYS IT'S NEVER FLOODED BEFORE AND WE HAD A FLOOD AND IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN 100 YEARS FROM NOW, DOESN'T REALLY WORK LIKE THAT. ANYWAY, THESE MAPS IDENTIFY WHERE THE 1% ANNUAL RISK OF FLOODING IS. ANYPLACE THERE WAS A HABITABLE STRUCTURE THAT FELL WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT FLOODPLAIN, WE PUT A RED.. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LOT OF RED DOTS, A LOT OF THEM ALONG COTTONWOOD CREEK, SO WE DIVIDED IT UP NORTH AND SOUTH. THIS IS THE NORTH IMAGE OF THE CITY , THIS IS THE SOUTH IMAGE. YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A BUNCH OF THEM THERE IN THE RUSHING CREEK LINE DOWN SOUTH. WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO LOOK AT WITH THIS IS IDENTIFYING PROJECTS THAT WERE ADDRESSING THE PROBLEMS THAT WERE HUTTO'S PROBLEMS , THINGS THAT YOU HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO FIX. OR AT LEAST TO ADDRESS IN SOME MANNER. WITH THE MAPS ARE SHOWING HERE, THERE'S 741 STRUCTURES IN THE 1% ANNUAL CHANCE FLOODPLAIN WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. OVER 1300 WITHIN THE ET J, SO WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THOSE LOCATIONS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS THEM. WE DID SOME TWO-DIMENSIONAL MODELING RIGHT HERE IN THE OLD TOWN AREA, AN AREA WITH NO FEMA FLOODPLAINS, BUT THERE IS SOME AREA WITH FLOOD RISKS. YOU HAVE DRAINAGE DITCHES ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

WE DID A TWO-DIMENSIONAL MODEL THAT SORT OF IDENTIFIED ANOTHER 12 STRUCTURES THAT WOULD FALL IN THAT AREA THAT DON'T SHOW UP IN THE FEMA MAPS. SO, AFTER WE WENT THROUGH AND EVALUATED ALL OF THE DIFFERENT FLOODING AREAS WHERE THERE WAS POCKETS OF DENSE FLOODING, A LOT OF STRUCTURES FLOODING IN AN AREA, WE IDENTIFIED 25 PROJECT LOCATIONS THAT HAD POTENTIAL OF SERVING SOME BENEFIT. WE LOOKED AT DETENTION PONDS , WHICH THE PURPOSE OF A DETENTION POND WHENEVER FLOODING OCCURS , IT STARTS OUT LOW, REALLY HIGH FLOODING, AND THEN DROPS OFF.

SORT OF A BELL CURVE SHAPE IF YOU LOOK AT IT. AND SO THE GOAL OF A DETENTION POND IS TO TAKE THAT HIGHEST PEAK AND SORT OF SHAVE IT OFF , STORE IT FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND RELEASE IT LATER. SO, PONDS TO GET RID OF FLOODING, THEY JUST SAVE IT AND LET IT DOWN LATER. THEN YOU'VE GOT GENERALIZATION PROJECTS, WHICH THE GOAL OF THOSE IS TO MAKE THE CHANNEL LARGER SO IT CAN CARRY MORE WATER IN IT INSTEAD OF FLOODING OUTSIDE OF THE BANKS. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE ROADSIDE DITCH TO STORM DRAIN CONVERSION , GAUGE THE MONITORING SYSTEMS, AND TAKING CARE OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ITEMS. WHEN WE ORIGINALLY SCOPED THIS, THERE WASN'T SUFFICIENT FUNDING TO COME UP WITH A SUPER DUPER ENGINEERING ANALYSIS OF THIS, SO WE SCOPED IT FOR WHAT WE CALL A RAPID ASSESSMENT MODEL. WE HAD THE 2-D RAPID ASSESSMENT MODEL I SHOWED YOU A PICTURE OF JUST A MOMENT AGO. WE ALSO CAME UP WITH SOME ONE-DIMENSIONAL RAPID ASSESSMENT MODELING WHICH CAME IN SUPER HANDLING BECAUSE WHEN WILLIAMSON COUNTY GAVE US THE FLOODING PLANTS, THERE DID NOT COME ANY MODELS WHEN IT. WE HAD TO REVERSE ENGINEER FLOODPLAIN MODELS TO EVALUATE THE PROJECT. SO, THE INITIAL LIST OF 25 PROJECTS , ONCE WE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT WHAT ACTUAL DATA WE HAD TO SUPPORT, WE HAD DOTS ON A MAP THAT SHOWED THERE WAS FLOODPLAIN, STRUCTURES IN THE FLOODPLAIN, WAS NOT BELIEVABLE.

>> JUST A MOMENT. >> THAT WAS QUICK.

>> THERE WAS FLOODING. WHEN WE TOOK A CLOSER LOOK, IT DID NOT SEEM APPROPRIATE. IT LOOKED LIKE THERE HAD BEEN PROJECTS IMPLEMENTED POTENTIALLY AFTER WILLIAMSON COUNTY HAD STARTED THEIR MODELING EFFORTS, SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE PARED IT DOWN TO 13 PROJECTS, AND WHAT WE DID WITH THOSE 13 PROJECTS, WE WENT IN AND TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT SORT OF BENEFITS WITH THEIR BE? HOW MANY STRUCTURES COULD BE REMOVED FROM THE FLOODPLAIN WITH THE POTENTIAL PROJECT? WOULD IT BE PROJECT A OR B OR C? WE COULD DO AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON BETWEEN THE PROJECTS. WE WOULD ALSO THEN LOOK TO SEE WHAT THE COSTS WERE FOR EACH OF THOSE PROJECT ALTERNATIVES, AND SOMETIMES IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IF YOU'VE GOT A PROJECT, ONE PROJECT THAT REQUIRES PROPERTY OR SOME SORT OF CORRELATION WITH ONE PROPERTY OWNER AND ANOTHER ONE THAT REQUIRES CORONATION WITH 25 PROPERTY OWNERS. AS PROPERTY OWNERS SOMETIMES EASIER TO WORK WITH, SO WE MADE THAT ONE OF THE CRITERIA AS WELL. WE WORK WITH STEADY STAFF TO COME

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UP WITH A WEIGHTING OF SOME OF THOSE CRITERIA TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS THE CORRECT WAY TO EVALUATE THEM. BECAUSE THIS IS A TECHNICALLY BASED ANALYSIS, IT'S HEAVILY WEIGHTED TOWARDS ACTUAL STRUCTURES REMOVED FROM THE FLOODPLAIN. 80% OF THE GOAL IS BASED ON STRUCTURES REMOVED FROM THE 1% FLOODPLAIN , AND STRUCTURES FROM THE 4% WITH A 25 YEAR FLOODPLAIN, WHICH IF SOMEBODY IS IN THE 25 YEAR FLOODPLAIN, THEY ARE AN EVEN WORSE CASE THAN PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST IN THE 100 YEAR.

THE BUTTON IS NOT DOING ANYTHING. OKAY. BACK UP. OKAY, SO I'M JUST GOING TO QUICKLY GO THROUGH THE 13 PROJECTS THAT WE ARE EVALUATING FOR THIS. 2018 DASH ONE CAME UP WITH IDEAS BECAUSE IT WAS EASIER TO TALK ABOUT THAT WAY. ENGINEERS AND ACRONYMS. THIS IS ONE THAT ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED IN THE 2018 STUDY. WENT IN AND TALKED ABOUT CLOSING UP THOSE ROADSIDE DITCHES, PUTTING IN A MORE TRADITIONAL CURVE AND BETTER SYSTEM WITH THE ROADWAY AND UNDERGROUND STORM DRAIN. THE PROJECT WAS ABOUT AN 8 1/2 MILLION DOLLAR COST PER BLOCK DEPENDING ON HOW WELL IT WORKS, COULD BE UP TO 10 BLOCKS MIGHT BE NEEDED. WE PRICE IT FOR ONE BLOCK JUST FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES. 2018 DASH TWO, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WAS ALSO INITIALLY PROPOSED IN A 2018 STUDY. IT WAS PARTIALLY IMPLEMENTED. RIGHT BEHIND US OVER HERE. WITH THE CHANNEL IMPROVEMENTS. HALF OF IT WAS CONSTRUCTED, THE OTHER HALF HAS NOT BEEN, SO WE TOOK COSTA FROM THE ORIGINAL STUDY, ADJUSTED IT FOR THE WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PERFORMED, ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION, AND THAT'S ABOUT 1,000,000 1/2. DOES NOT REALLY REMOVE A WHOLE LOT FROM THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT IT'S A LARGE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE, AND IT IS STILL A GOOD PROJECT. THE LAST ONE THAT WE LOOKED AT FROM 2018 IS A DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. A PROJECT THAT THE TCE Q IDENTIFIED YEARS BACK THAT THERE IS A DETENTION POND IN PLACE AT EMORY FARMS THAT THE OUTLET STRUCTURE, THE PART THAT ACTUALLY MAKES THE POND WORK, HAS BEEN DESTROYED. NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE ORIGINAL CAUSE OF IT WAS, BUT THE CONCRETE HAS COLLAPSED. THERE'S TREES AND VISITATION GROWING IN IT. THE POND IS NOT FUNCTIONING AS IT SHOULD. THE COST TO REPAIR FOR THAT ONE ONCE AGAIN TAKING THE ORIGINAL 2018 PROJECTIONS, MOVING THEM FORWARD FOR THE COST INCREASE , ABOUT $600,000. THEN WE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER PROJECTS. THERE IS A CHANNEL PROJECT ALONG SOUTH FROM MUSTANG CREEK ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF TOWN. THERE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THERE THAT ESSENTIALLY SHOWS THERE'S 27 STRUCTURES THAT COULD BE REMOVED FROM THE FLOODPLAIN THROUGH A WIDENING OF THE CHANNEL IN THIS AREA.

>> WANTING HIM TO CLARIFY IS FOR YOU GUYS TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE ALL TRACKING, WHEN ANDY TALKS ABOUT PROJECTS , HE SAID 741 STRUCTURES IN THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN, SO THERE'S ACTUALLY A LARGE NUMBER OF STRUCTURES THAT WERE DESIGNED BASED ON THE FEMA MAPS FROM 2019, WHICH DID NOT INCLUDE THE DATA. WHEN YOU RERUN THOSE MAPS BASED ON ATLAS 14, WE GO UP SEVERAL HUNDRED STRUCTURES THAT WOULD NOW BE IN THE FLOODPLAIN THAT PREVIOUSLY WERE NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN, SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY A LOT OF THESE HOMES ARE SEEING ON THESE MAPS, AND ANDY CAN TELL YOU HOW FAR OFF I AM, BUT A LOT OF THESE HOMES ARE NOT CURRENTLY IN THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT WHEN NEW MAPS BECOME REAL, THOSE HOMES ARE GOING TO GET ADDED TO THE FLOODPLAIN WHICH MEANS THOSE HOMEOWNERS ARE NOW GOING TO BE TOLD YOU NEED TO BUY FLOOD INSURANCE. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WHEN YOU ARE SEEING ALL THESE RED DOTS, A LOT OF THEM WERE DESIGNED TO BE OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN AND NOW THEY ARE GOING TO GET ADDED BACK.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY ON THAT, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE MAPS CHANGING , IT IS BASED, AM I WRONG, ON NEW WEATHER DATA, NEW PRECIPITATION FORECASTS WHERE IT'S NOT LIKE YOU GUYS DID A BAD JOB, WE ARE BASICALLY HAVING MORE PERIODS OF A LOT OF RAIN AND WHAT WE USED TO HAVE, AND BASED ON THAT SOME OF THIS HAS EXPANDED TO OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. ATLAS 14 MAY HAVE MADE FLOOD AREAS GET SMALLER. IT JUST CHANGES WHENEVER THEY UPDATE

THEM. >> THAT IS CORRECT. THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO FACTORS AT PLAY HERE. ONE OF WHICH YOU MENTIONED THE RAINFALL DATA , WE'VE GOT MORE YEARS OF INFORMATION , BETTER TRACKING OF THE RAINFALL, THE RAINFALL THAT WE USE IN OUR

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STUDIES NOW FOR A 100 YEAR STORM HAS INCREASED BY ALMOST 30% FROM WHAT WAS DONE BACK WHEN THE PRIOR FLOODPLAIN MAPS WERE DEVELOPED. ANOTHER THING WAS THE FEMA MAPS PREVIOUSLY ONLY LOOKED AT A STREAM HERE, A STREAM THERE, STREAMS WITH LARGE DRAINAGE AREAS. WITH THE COUNTY IS LOOKING AT NOW IS SMALLER DRAINAGE AREAS, SO THERE ARE MORE STREAMS NOW THAN WERE EVEN STUDIED PREVIOUSLY. THERE IS THE COUNT OF HOMES IN THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN PREVIOUSLY, IT WAS ABOUT 70, NOW IT'S OVER 700, SO THAT IS A TENFOLD INCREASE. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND AS THE COUNTY STARTS TO ROLL OUT SOME OF THESE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, THEY MAY EVEN HAVE A MEETING SOMETIME THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, I WOULD RECOMMEND STAYING IN TOUCH WITH THAT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO

AFFECT A LOT OF YOUR CITIZENS. >> SO, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE NUMBER COULD POTENTIALLY INCREASE FROM THE 741 ONCE WE GET THE 100 YEAR UPDATE, OR ARE YOU SAYING WE WENT FROM 70 TO

741? >> WHAT IS IN THE CURRENT FEMA EFFECTIVE MAPPING, IF YOU GO TO FEMA AND SAY AM I IN THE FLOODPLAIN? IT'S GOING TO SHOW 71 STRUCTURES IN HUTTO THAT ARE IN THE FLOODPLAIN. THEY ARE DOING THEIR ENGINEERING ANALYSIS RIGHT NOW. THEY HAVE PRELIMINARILY RELEASED SOME OF THOSE RESULTS, BUT UNTIL IT GOES TO A PUBLIC VETTING PROCESS, THEY HAVE TO RELEASE TO THE PUBLIC, FEMA HAS A VERY STRUCTURED PROGRAM FOR HOW THEY DO THAT. PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE UNTIL SOMETIME LATE NEXT YEAR BEFORE THESE MAPS WOULD BECOME PUBLIC AND BECOME THE EFFECTIVE MAPS. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF. NOTHING THAT WE'VE DONE , BUT IT'S HAPPENING AROUND THE COUNTRY. EVERYBODY IS UPDATING THEIR MAPS NOW. SO, A QUESTION, DO WE HAVE ANY WAY TO PREVENT THAT FROM BEING WORSE BEFORE THE DATA IS OFFICIAL? BY FURTHER DEVELOPMENT? SOMEBODY COULD COME IN AND WE MAY KNOW THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE IN THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT THEY ARE NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN YET AND THEY MAY BUILD? THAT'S CREATING A PROBLEM WE COULD AVOID.

>> YOU ARE STEALING OUR THUNDER A LITTLE BIT. AND HE WILL GET TO IT IN A LITTLE BIT. ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS OUT OF THIS MASTER PLAN IS THAT AS A DEVELOPMENT COMES INTO THE CITY, WHILE WE ARE WAITING FOR THOSE MAPS TO GO THROUGH THE FEDERAL LEVEL, WE GO AHEAD AND START PUSHING PEOPLE TO USE THE COUNTY MAPS IN THEIR CURRENT FORMAT FOR THEIR BASELINE FOR DEVELOPMENT.

>> GREAT, THANK YOU. >> SO THE PROJECTS WE ARE LOOKING AT NOW, TO CHANGE THE FEMA MAPS PER SE , BUT THEY ARE DESIGNED TO REDUCE THE RISK WHETHER IT'S A FEMA MAP THERE OR NOT. THIS PROJECT UP ON THE SCREEN ESSENTIALLY WOULD REMOVE 27 STRUCTURES FROM THAT 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN , 2.6 MILLION FOR THAT, AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS WE ARE ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING WOULD GO IN AS SORT OF A JOINT PROJECT WITH ANOTHER ONE. WE'VE GOT A DETENTION PROJECT THAT WE WILL GET TO IN A MINUTE THAT WOULD GO ALONG WELL WITH THIS. ONE REDUCES THE FLOWS, THE OTHER GIVES MORE CAPACITY TO CREATE.

>> AND THEN WE HAVE CO THREE A. THREE PROJECTS PROPOSING ALONG COTTONWOOD CREEK, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT IN 2018, AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS SORT OF DIVIDED IT DOWN INTO MORE MANAGEABLE PROJECT SIZE, THREE SEPARATE PROJECTS. A NORTHERN SEGMENT, A CENTRAL SEGMENT, AND A SOUTHERN SEGMENT.

THIS IS THE NORTHERN SEGMENT , CHANNEL IMPROVEMENTS ARE EXPENSIVE. THIS IS JUST FROM THE ACCOUNT OF THE STRUCTURES WITH THE MAPPING DONE. THIS WOULD ONLY REMOVE TWO STRUCTURES FROM THE FLOODPLAIN FOR $9.1 MILLION. THAT IN ITSELF DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A GREAT PAYOFF RIGHT THERE, BUT MORE COULD TAKE PLACE. THERE IS ANOTHER DETENTION PROJECT THAT WOULD COUPLE WITH THAT AT THE VERY TOP OF COTTONWOOD CREEK, SO I'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE. THEN WE'VE GOT THE CENTRAL SECTION OF COTTONWOOD CREEK , CO 3.B, A VERY EXPENSIVE SECTION AS WELL, 39.8 MILLION.

IT WOULD REMOVE 29 STRUCTURES FROM THE 1% FLOODPLAIN. IT WOULD ALSO BENEFIT FROM THE DETENTION PROJECT AT THE TOP. WE HAVE GOT

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CO 3.C WHICH IS A SOUTHERN SEGMENT IMPLEMENTING THIS WOULD REMOVE 54 STRUCTURES FROM THE FLOODPLAIN. ONCE AGAIN, AT A COMMENSURATE HIGHER COST AS WELL, ALMOST 74 MILLION. THIS IS ALSO ONE THAT WE LOOKED AT THAT THERE IS A WATER PROJECT THAT WOULD BE GOING ON IN THAT SAME AREA THAT IT WOULD MAKE POTENTIAL SENSE TO DO THESE PROJECTS AT THE SAME TIME. DO ALL THE CONSTRUCTION IN THAT AREA ALL AT ONCE. AND THEN WE'VE GOT A PROJECT THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT ANIMAL. IT IS LISTED AS A C PROJECT WHICH IS THE NOMENCLATURE USED TO DESCRIBE A CHANNEL PROJECT, BUT WHAT IS GOING ON HERE, THIS IS THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN. STARTS OUT NEAR THE HIGH SCHOOL, THERE IS A LARGE STORM DRAIN SYSTEM THAT GOES UNDERGROUND, WHAT WE CALL A TRUNK LINE THAT GOES DOWN, GOES UNDERNEATH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE TRUNK LINE WAS DESIGNED BACK TO OLDER ENGINEERING STANDARDS, AND IT APPEARS -- ONCE AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THE MODELS FROM WILLIAMSON COUNTY ON THIS, THAT THE MODELING THEY PERFORMED SHOWED THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF STRUCTURES IN THE FLOODPLAIN UP ABOVE THAT PIPE. UPSIZING THAT TYPE WE ARE THINKING COULD REMOVE 60 STRUCTURES FROM THE FLOOD PLANE THERE AT A COST OF AROUND $6 MILLION, SO THIS WAS ONE OF THE LOW HANGING FRUIT WE WERE THINKING COULD GET A LOT OF BANG FOR THEIR BUCK FROM THAT. I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THERE IS NEXT TO THAT SOUTH FORK CHANNELIZATION PROJECT, THERE WOULD BE A DETENTION POND THAT COULD HELP ENHANCE THE BENEFITS THAT CHANNELIZATION BY ITSELF, THIS PROJECT WOULD REMOVE 18 STRUCTURES AT A COST OF JUST UNDER $16 MILLION. AND THEN WE HAVE GOT THAT LARGE DETENTION POND I TALKED ABOUT UP AT THE HEADWATERS UP ABOVE COTTONWOOD CREEK, 192 ACRE FOOT CAPACITY , WOULD REQUIRE ABOUT A 25 ACRE FOOT PRINT, A LARGE PROJECT. THE COST IS ABOUT $46 MILLION. BY ITSELF, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY REMOVE PROPERTIES FROM THE FLOODPLAIN. I THINK FROM A FULLY DETAILED ANALYSIS, IT WOULD REMOVE STRUCTURES, BUT FROM OUR RAPID ASSESSMENT MODELING, WE COULD NOT PROVE UP ON THAT, BUT IT WOULD DEFINITELY HELP ENHANCE THE CHANNELIZATION PROJECTS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE CO THREE ABC PROJECTS. THEN THERE IS A PROJECT ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN, TRIBUTARY SEVEN , IT WOULD REMOVE TWO STRUCTURES , FAIRLY LARGE STRUCTURES. THE FLOODPLAIN FOR JUST UNDER $5 MILLION. LAST TWO PROJECTS WILL HAVE A SPECIFIC LOCATION ON THE CITY MAP. THESE ARE GAUGING SYSTEMS. THIS WAS SORT OF A VARIATION OF ONE THAT THE 2018 REPORT HAD FOR PUTTING GAUGING SITES SO YOU CAN MONITOR THE LEVELS OF DETENTION PONDS AROUND TOWN. THIS IS ONE THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION SO YOU CAN KNOW ARE YOUR PONDS FUNCTIONING. NOT ONLY ARE THEY FUNCTIONING DURING THE EVENT, SOMETIMES IT CAN HELP YOU DECIDE IF MAINTENANCE IS NEEDED IF THEY ARE NOT FUNCTIONING AS DESIGNED. WE TOOK IT A STEP FURTHER AND CAME UP WITH A COMPREHENSIVE CITYWIDE FLOOD WARNING SYSTEM, WHICH IS NOT JUST MONITORING GOING ON AT THE DAMS, BUT IT WOULD BE -- EXCUSE ME, MONITORING RAINFALL LEVELS AT THE CREEKS AROUND TOWN AND TYING IT IN WITH A MONITORING AND FORECASTING MORNING SOFTWARE SYSTEM. THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT STAFF WOULD NEED TO BE TRAINED ON TO WORK WITH EMERGENCY SERVICES PERSONNEL DURING STORM EVENTS IN ADVANCE OF AND DURING STORM EVENTS TO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE FLOODING MAY OCCUR IN REAL TIME , GET RESOURCES DISPATCHED, HELP GET WARNINGS OUT TO THE PUBLIC IF THERE IS A SERIOUS SITUATION . NEITHER OF THESE LAST TWO ACTUALLY REMOVE ANY STRUCTURES FROM THE FLOODPLAIN BUT THEY DO AFFECT FLOOD RISK AND CAN HELP PEOPLE GET OUT OF HARMS WAY.

THEY ARE RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE . THE MONITORING SYSTEM IS A LITTLE UNDER 1 MILLION. THIS ONE IS A LITTLE OVER 1 MILLION. WHAT WE THEN DID IS LOOKED AT ALL THE PROJECT TOGETHER, SORT OF RANKED THEM ON HOW MANY STRUCTURES THEY REMOVED FROM THE 4% OR 25 YEAR , FROM THE 1% OR 100 YEAR, HOW MUCH THEY COST, THE NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT WOULD NEED TO BE COORDINATED WITH , AND CAME UP WITH A TOTAL WEIGHTED SCORE FOR EACH OF THE PROJECTS. THIS IS SORT OF HOW IT CAME DOWN THROUGH THE RANKING OF THE PROJECTS.

PROJECT CO FOR WHICH IS THE ONE THAT HAS THE PIPE UNDERNEATH ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN CAME OUT AS THE HIGHEST RANKED PROJECT BY

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ITSELF. THE LOWEST RANKED OF THE 13 PROJECTS WE LOOKED AT WAS THE LARGE DETENTION OF THE UPPER END OF THE COTTONWOOD CREEK WATERSHED. SOME OF THEM DO WORK WELL TOGETHER, SO WE TRIED TO LOOK AT THAT AS WE CAME UP WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. THESE ARE THE OTHER 12 PROJECTS THAT DID NOT GET RECOMMENDED EITHER BECAUSE WE DID SOME ANALYSIS AND FOUND OUT THAT THE FLOOD RISK THAT WAS SHOWING UP IN THE PRELIMINARY WILLIAMSON COUNTY MAPS DID NOT MATCH REAL-WORLD SITUATIONS ON THE GROUND, SO WE ARE THINKING THERE IS NO ACTUAL RISK FOR SOME OF THOSE, AND THAT'LL BE A CASE WHENEVER THE FEMA NAPS COME OUT THAT YOU AND THE CITIZENS CAN ACTUALLY GO TALK TO THEM AND SAY , YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO CHECK YOUR ENGINEERING ANALYSIS HERE. THERE IS A CREEK, A CHANNEL HAS BEEN PUT IN TO FIX THIS. THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN GET HOUSES OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN FOR FREE. SO THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE ARE COMING UP WITH IS THIS.

FIRST OF WHICH , AS MATT MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY ADOPT THE PRELIMINARY WILLIAMSON COUNTY FLOODPLAIN MAPS EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD NOT BEEN FORMALLY APPROVED BY FEMA YET, THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH OTHER VETTING BY THE CITY , AND BY THE COUNTY, AND SO WE THINK THAT IT WOULD BE ADVISABLE FOR CITY STAFF TO USE THAT FOR MONITORING DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS OR OTHER PLANNING ACTIVITIES WITHIN THE CITY. JUST TO HAVE A CONSISTENT BASIS THAT TAKES ACCOUNT FOR WHAT IS COMING. AND THEN THE ACTUAL PROJECT RECOMMENDATIONS.

IN ADDITION TO THE LEGENDS OF HUTTO DRAINAGE DISHES, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INITIATING PROJECTS RANKED ONE THROUGH EIGHT , AND NUMBER 10. ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEFORE THE PROJECT CO3, THE BIG CHANNELIZATION PROJECTS ON COTTONWOOD. THEY ARE VERY EXPENSIVE BY THEMSELVES. ONE OF THE THINGS WE THINK WOULD BE WORTHWHILE ON ALL THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT READY TO BUILD. THIS IS A PER LUMINARY LEVEL ANALYSIS. ALL OF THESE WE NEED DETAILED ENGINEERING TO COME UP WITH THE RIGHT WAY TO BUILD THESE, AND WE THINK THAT THESE THREE PROJECTS AT LEAST , AN ALTERNATIVE NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT FOR PROPERTY BUYOUTS. I KNOW THAT CAN SOMETIMES BE A SENSITIVE SUBJECT, BUT JUST THE HIGH COST , AND SOME OF THOSE WERE ONE $.4 MILLION PER STRUCTURE REMOVED . SOMETIMES THAT DOESN'T MAKE GOOD SENSE. IT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. TOTAL ESTIMATED COST OF THOSE NINE PROJECTS IS $149 MILLION. BUT YOU KNOW, WELL OVER $100 MILLION OF THAT IS FOR THOSE HIGH-COST PROJECTS JUST MENTIONED. TIMING OF THE PROJECTS. ONCE YOU DO DO THEM. THE FEMA NAPS HAVE NOT BEEN ADOPTED YET, BUT THE FLOOD RISK IS THERE NOW. NATURE DOES NOT CARE IF YOU HAVE A MAP IN PLACE OR NOT. THIS IS JUST A BETTER ASSESSMENT OF WHAT WE THINK THE CONDITION IS TODAY. SO, WE THINK THAT THESE PROJECTS SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED AS SOON AS YOU HAVE FUNDING AVAILABLE THAT WOULD FIT IN THE CITY'S PRIORITIZATION PLANS. SOME OF THEM, I LISTED A COUPLE I THINK WOULD BE SOME OF THE LOW HANGING FRUIT, ONCE THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENT IT THAT GIVES YOU A LOT OF RESULTS AT NOT A GREAT DEAL OF COST. NUMBER ONE, THAT IS THE CHANNELIZATION PROJECT THAT ISN'T ACTUALLY CHANNELIZATION, BUT REPLACEMENT OF THE PIPE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN. THE CO2, THAT IS THE ONE ON THE SOUTH MUSTANG FORK , DOING THAT CHANNELIZATION PROJECT . THEN THE PO-1 WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE GAUGING PROJECT. 2018-3, REPAIR OF THE EMORY FARMS DETENTION POND OUTLET STRUCTURE. THE NEXT PART OF THIS, THESE ARE EXPENSIVE PROJECTS. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD THINK THAT THESE ARE EASY TO DO . IF YOU WANT TO GET FUNDING TO HELP SUPPORT SOME OF THIS, EVERYTHING NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THE STATE, TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD HAS A STATE FLOODPLAIN NOW AND ESSENTIALLY ANY PROJECT THAT GETS STATE OR FEDERAL FUNDING NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT PLAN, AND INCLUDED IN THE PLAN CAN MEAN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

ESSENTIALLY A PROBLEM HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AND THE STATE COULD HELP PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THE ENGINEERING ANALYSIS, PUTTING DESIGN TOGETHER, OR THEY CAN EVEN DO ASSISTANCE WITH CONSTRUCTION ITSELF. BAD NEWS IS THE ROUND OF FUNDING COMING IN

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IS STILL PROBABLY ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO OFF, BUT I WOULD STILL THINK WE SHOULD START GETTING INTO THE CYCLE WITH THAT. WE DO NOT NEED A GREAT DEAL OF COST GETTING AN APPLICATION IN FOR IT, AND THE POSSIBILITY OF GOOD RETURN FOR STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING. THE LAST THING WE LOOKED AT WAS SOME OF THE FEE STRUCTURE THAT THE CITY HAS RIGHT NOW WHICH I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW IS A FOUR DOLLAR PER CUSTOMER FLAT FEE, SO WE PUT TOGETHER SOME FEE OPTIONS COMPARING SOME OF THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES IN CENTRAL TEXAS TO SEE HOW THOSE RELATE IN JUST SORT OF A QUICK ESTIMATE IF HUTTO WERE GO TO A TIERED STRUCTURE PROJECTION, WE WERE THINKING POTENTIALLY DOUBLE THE REVENUE AVAILABLE FOR PROJECTS WITHIN THE CITY OF HUTTO. WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE SCOPE TO DO A FULL RATE STUDY ANALYSIS, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME ROOM TO INCREASE YOUR REVENUE TO SUPPORT DRAINAGE PROJECTS LIKE THIS. ANY

QUESTIONS? >> I HAD A QUESTION. WHEN YOU SAY A PROJECT WOULD REMOVE A PROPERTY FROM THE FLOODPLAIN, WOULD THAT MEAN THAT THEY WOULD GO UPDATE THE MAPS TO SHOW THAT

THAT IS NO LONGER FLOODPLAIN? >> THERE'S TWO PARTS. THERE'S PHYSICALLY REMOVING IT BY TAKING THE FLOODWATERS, PUTTING THEM BACK IN THE CREEK OR STORING IT IN A DETENTION POND , BUT TO ACTUALLY CHANGE THE FEMA NAPS, YOU HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER A MAP REVISION PROCESS, WHICH IS ANOTHER PROCESS THAT FEMA HAS TO UPDATE THE MAPS. THERE WOULD BE A TWO STEP PROCESS. WHAT YOU WOULD DO GENERALLY WHENEVER YOU PUT A PROJECT TOGETHER, SOMETHING YOU'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE FLOODPLAIN, YOU DO SORT OF A PRELIMINARY, OR A CONDITIONAL LETTER OF MAP REVISION TO FEMA BEFORE THE PROJECT, AND THEY AGREE WITH YOU OKAY, IF YOU DO THIS PROJECT WE AGREE THIS IS HOW WE CHANGE THE FLOODPLAIN. YOU BUILD THE PROJECT. ONCE THE PROJECT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED, THEN YOU GO BACK AND FOLLOW AND SAY WE DID WHAT WE SAID, CHANGE THE FLOODPLAIN.

>> THAT IS WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. AND THEN THE HOMEOWNER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER THERE THAT WAS HAVING TO MAYBE PAY FLOOD INSURANCE COULD THEN GO BACK TO THEIR INSURANCE AND SAY I'M NO LONGER IN THE FLOODPLAIN, THE MAP HAS BEEN UPDATED AND THEY WOULD ACTUALLY GET THAT BENEFIT.

>> CORRECT. ONE OTHER THING I WOULD RECOMMEND RELATED TO PEOPLE WHO MAY END UP IN THE FLOODPLAIN, FEMA WILL OFTEN TIMES GRANDFATHER THE RATE STRUCTURES YOU HAVE , SO IF A PERSON IS CONFIDENT THAT THEIR HOME MAY END UP IN THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN NEXT YEAR, IF THEY BUY FLOOD INSURANCE NOW WHILE THEY ARE NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN, FOR SOME NUMBER OF YEARS THEY MAY GET TO CARRY THAT PREFERRED RATE FOR THEIR PREMIUMS MOVING FORWARD. I DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT . I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, MATT. SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. I WOULD AT LEAST CHECK

INTO THAT. >> ANDY, DOES STATE FUNDING, EVEN OF THE MAPS ARE FINALIZED, IS STATE FUNDING AVAILABLE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR AND BASED ON THE MAPS THAT SHOW YOUR CITY, THAT IS WHERE YOU CAN START APPLYING?

>> THE STATE FUNDING ISN'T DEPENDENT ON THE FEMA NAPS. IF YOU HAVE ANY IDENTIFICATION OF FLOOD RISK , EVEN IF THERE IS NO MAPS BUT YOU HAVE STRUCTURES THAT HAVE A HISTORY OF FLOATING, IT CAN SHOW THERE IS A DEMONSTRATED NEED , SO YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD JUST BASED ON THOSE WILLIAMSON COUNTY PRELIMINARY STUDIES. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR FEMA TO GET THE STATE

FUNDING. >> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS WHEN YOU RELATE TO SOMEONE, IF THEY DO WHAT CAN'T BE DONE OR PEOPLE DON'T CHECK AND THEY DON'T GET FLOOD INSURANCE AND THEN THEY GET NOTICE FROM THEIR MORTGAGE COMPANY, YOU ARE NOW IN THE NEW FLOODPLAIN BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE MORTGAGE COMPANY IS GOING TO KEEP ON TOP OF THAT, I WOULD IMAGINE, TYPICALLY HOW MUCH COST IS THAT GOING TO ADD TYPICALLY TO A HOMEOWNER DOWN IN THE FLOODPLAIN THAT WASN'T BEFORE, BECAUSE TO FIGURE OUT THE SCOPE OF YOU ARE HAVING TO DO ALL THESE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, THE COST IF YOU DO A TIERED STRUCTURE ADDING TO A FEE FOR THE DRAINAGE FEE TO THE UTILITY BILL VERSUS YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND BUY THIS FLOOD INSURANCE, I'M CURIOUS WHAT IS THAT?

>> I DON'T KNOW THE FEMA PREMIUM STRUCTURE RIGHT NOW SO I CAN TELL YOU ON THAT, BUT JUST MY GUT TELLS ME THAT THE PREMIUM WOULD BE MUCH MORE THAN A MONTHLY RATE INCREASE OF A COUPLE DOLLARS A MONTH ON A BILL.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS? >> IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO I'M

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GOING TO SAY SLIDE THREE. WAY AT THE BEGINNING. JUST MORE OF -- WAIT, GO BACK. GO FORWARD A COUPLE. WAIT, GO BACK. SORRY.

>> MORE TOWARDS THE FRONT? >> A LITTLE MORE BACK. I WOULD JUST SAY THIS. IT LOOKED LIKE THE ACADEMY WAS ONE OF THE STRUCTURES. ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WERE THE EMERY FARMS DETENTION POND, THE OUTFALL OR WHATEVER IS DAMAGED.

ALL I WOULD SAY, I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT NOT THAT I NEED AN ANSWER OR ANYTHING, BUT THIS IS WHERE I THINK SINCE THIS INFORMATION WAS ALREADY HAD IN 2018 AND WE HAD STAFF CHANGES AND THINGS, BUT WE LITERALLY HAD PEOPLE AT ACADEMY SPORTS DOING WORK OUT IN THE DETENTION POND, AND TO ME THAT WOULD BE A GREAT TIME FOR US TO SAY IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE DETENTION POND, YOU HAVE TO FIX THE ISSUE THERE. INSTEAD, WE TOOK A PERVIOUS AREA, TURNED IT IMPERVIOUS AND ALMOST MADE THE PROBLEM WORSE. I KNOW A LOT OF THIS IS NEW INFORMATION, BUT SINCE THAT IS AN OLD ONE, I THINK THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT SOMEHOW WE NEED SOME SORT OF CHECK WITH. IF YOU GO TO OTHER CITIES, ROUND ROCK HAS BEEN FOLLOWING US SINCE '14, I'M GOING TO SAY YEARS NOW , AT LEAST FOUR OR FIVE. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE IT'S ONLY $600,000, BUT IN MY MIND THAT 100 -- $600,000 THE DEVELOPER SHOULD HAVE PAID BECAUSE WE ALLOW THEM TO DIG UP THE POND.

IT BENEFITED THEM AND NOW WE ARE THE ONES PAYING FOR SOME STRUCTURE REBUILD, BUT JUST A STATEMENT, THINGS WE CAN LOOK AT WITH THESE GUYS WHO ARE BUILDING AND UTILIZING OUR FIELDS. THEY CAN ALSO HELP REPAIR SOME OF THE STUFF, MAYBE. GOOD INFORMATION ON HOW WE ARE GOING TO PAY FOR ALL OF THAT. I AGREE WITH YOU.

SOME OF THE STRUCTURES MAY BE EASIER TO PURCHASE A HOME OR BUILDING THAN IT IS TO SPEND $1 MILLION TO FIX ON A $300,000 DEAL, BUT YOU ALSO DON'T WANT TO WALK UP AND SAY WE ARE WITH THE GOVERNMENT, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE YOUR HOME FROM YOU.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. ANDY, WHEN WILL YOU BE BACK WITH EITHER ANOTHER DRAFT OR A FINAL DOCUMENT ON THIS? OBVIOUSLY WE ARE WAITING FROM THE COUNTY TO PUT OUT THEIR MAPS . OR IS THIS

KIND OF PRETTY TIGHTENED UP? >> I WILL ACTUALLY JUMP IN. THIS ACTUALLY IS THEIR FINAL PRESENTATION. WE ARE NOT WAITING ON THE COUNTY TO PRODUCE THE NEW FEMA MAPS TO FINALIZE OUR DRAINAGE PLAN. IT JUST SO HAPPENED THAT AS WE WERE DOING OUR DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN, THE COUNTY WAS STARTING TO COME FORWARD WITH THEIR STUFF SO WE REACHED OUT TO THEIR GROUP TO SEE IF THEY WOULD BE SHARING DATA WITH ANDY'S GROUP SO THAT WE COULD BENEFIT FROM EACH OTHER KIND OF THING. THERE'S ACTUALLY AN ITEM ON CONSENT TO ACCEPT THE FINAL DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN TONIGHT , BUT THE REASON WE BROKE IT UP LIKE THIS TO HAVE THE VISITATION AND HAVE AN ITEM LATER IS BECAUSE IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE THAT SOMETIMES WE WILL BRING A FINAL PRESENTATION TO YOU GUYS AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING, AND THEN FOR VARIOUS REASONS, SOMETHING WILL CHANGE , SO WE WANTED TO BREAK IT UP SO YOU GUYS AN OPTION TO EITHER SAY WE WANT YOU TO CHANGE X, Y, AND C AND GET BACK FOR ACCEPTANCE, OR WE ARE GOOD WITH THIS REPORT AND LATER ON IN CONSENT WE CAN ACCEPT IT.

COUNCILMEMBER CLARK, TO YOUR EARLIER QUESTION, I DON'A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH AND ACCORDING TO A FORBES ARTICLE IN OCTOBER 2024, THE AVERAGE NATIONAL COST FOR FLOOD INSURANCE WAS $96 A MONTH.

[9.3. Presentation from the Downtown Hutto Businesses Association (Gracie Matthews) ]

>> ALL RIGHT, THANKS GUYS. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 9.3 PRESENTATION FROM THE DOWNTOWN HUTTO BUSINESSES ASSOCIATION.

>> GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS GRACIE MATTHEWS REPRESENTING THE DOWNTOWN HUTTO BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION IS GOING TO BE JUST AN INFORMATIVE ONE. I'M GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THESE FOUR TOPICS. ORGANIZATION, WHO WE ARE, AND OUR MISSION WHICH IS TO REHABILITATE AND REVITALIZE DOWNTOWN THROUGH SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM GOALS THAT I WANT TO SHARE SOME OF THE ROADBLOCKS WE'VE BEEN HAVING AS WELL AS SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS WE'VE BEEN BRAINSTORMING TOGETHER THROUGH OUR MONTHLY MEETINGS. WE HAVE BOTH SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM GOALS THAT WE WANT TO SORT OF TACKLE. CURRENTLY WE ARE WORKING ON A 501(C) SIX REGISTRATION , SO WE HAVE TO DATE 22 BUSINESS OWNERS, PROPERTY OWNERS, OR BOTH THAT

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HAVE ATTENDED OUR MEETINGS. MAJORITY ARE 59% ARE BUSINESS OWNERS, A.K.A. TENANTS, AND WE HAVE 18% PROPERTY OWNERS, AND 23% ARE ACTUALLY BUSINESS AND PROPERTY OWNERS. WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT WE HAVE AS STAKEHOLDERS OF VARYING DEGREES OF INTEREST FROM SHORT-TERM TO LONG-TERM INTEREST IN THE SUCCESS OF DOWNTOWN. OUR GOAL IS TO SERVE AS A POINT OF CONTACT FOR ALL DOWNTOWN HUTTO RELATED TOPICS. AS WE COLLABORATE WITHIN OURSELVES, WORK TOWARD A MISSION STATEMENT WHICH IS TO REHABILITATE HISTORIC CHARM AND REVITALIZE DOWNTOWN AS A HUB FOR COMMERCE AND ENTERTAINMENT THROUGH COLLABORATION AND COMMUNITY BUILDING. SO, COMMUNITY BUILDING IS A CORE VALUE OF HUTTO I FEEL LIKE, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE REALLY WANTED TO FOCUS ON, SO THAT IT'S MORE PALATABLE THAT ORANGE TRAPEZOID AREA IS OUR MAIN AREA OF FOCUS TO MAKE IT THE HUB THAT WE REFERRED TO IN OUR MISSION. IT STARTS ON WEST STREET WHICH IS EAST OF CO-OP ALL THE WAY TO FM 1660 EAST WEST, AND THEN NORTH TO SOUTH IT GOES UP TO U.S. 79. WE ARE GOING TO COLLABORATE WITHIN OUR MEMBERS TO ORGANIZE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE HBA OFFENSE, SMALLER EVENTS THAT DON'T NEED TO SHUT DOWN THE WHOLE STREET PER SE. WE ARE GOING TO BE ADVOCATING FOR MEMBERS BY PROVIDING ONE VOICE TO YOUNG POLICYMAKERS TO ENSURE THAT LOCAL POLICIES ARE EFFICIENTLY ADDRESSING BOTH THE SHORT AND LONG-TERM GOALS. CURRENT ROADBLOCKS , THESE ARE EXAMPLES THAT CAME FROM THE MARCH MEETING, BUT I THINK YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THAT ALL OF THESE ISSUES ARE NOT NEW. LAST MONTH, THESE HAVE BEEN LINGERING FOR MANY YEARS. IT NEEDS MORE STREETLIGHTING FOR SAFETY AND FAMILY FRIENDLINESS, ESPECIALLY ON THE BLOCKS IN OUR AREA OF FOCUS. IF WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO WALK FROM THE CO-OP TO DOWNTOWN, NEEDS MORE LIGHTING, IT NEEDS TO FEEL SAFE. WE ALSO WANT TO LOOK AT INTENTIONAL SELECTION OF BEST KNOWN METHODS FOR A THRIVING DOWNTOWN. THINK ON RETURN ON EXPERIENCE INSTEAD OF RETURN ON INVESTMENT, RIGHT? WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME STAY A WHILE, PLAY FOR HOURS AND HOURS, NOT JUST COMING FOR DINNER AND LEAVING. WE WANT PEOPLE TO SPEND TIME AND MONEY THERE. BUILDINGS NEED UPDATED. CONSTRUCTION IS EXPENSIVE. I KNOW IT PERSONALLY. BUT WE NEED ASSISTANCE TO PRESERVE HISTORIC BUILDINGS BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT MAKES DOWNTOWN, DOWNTOWN HUTTO DID WE HAVE PARKING ISSUES WE ALL KNOW.

IT HAS MANY LAYERS. WE CANNOT JUMP TO A PARKING GARAGE OR PAID METERS FROM CURRENT STATE. WE NEED SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS AND SMALL WINS IN PHASES. LASTLY WE HAVE MANY MEETINGS IN THE PAST WITH VARIOUS CITY OFFICIALS, BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY DELIVERABLES. WE NEED A COMMUNICATION CHANNEL TO DELIVER RESULTS, SO THAT IS WHY WE HAVE FORMED THIS ORGANIZATION TO BE THAT CHANNEL OF COMMUNICATION. I DON'T WANT TO DISCREDIT THE MANAGER, MAYOR SNYDER, COUNCILMEMBER GORDON, INDIVIDUALLY AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER HAVE REALLY TRIED TO HELP AND HAD VESTED INTEREST IN IT, BUT WE CAN'T WORK IN SILOS.

WE HAVE TO START COLLECTIVELY WORKING TOGETHER, SO WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS OVER LONG-TERM ONES. WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THE POLICYMAKERS, AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT WE BRAINSTORMED. SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS ARE THE HBA, INITIATING DOWNTOWN EVENTS, STREETLIGHTING OPTIMIZATION, ONE-WAY STREETS TO ALLOW MORE PARKING WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, AND FOR LONG-TERM, WE HAVE INCORPORATED OUR GOALS INTO THE HUTTO SORE 2040. FACADE GRANTS, TAX AND OTHER INCENTIVES, WORKING GARAGE THAT ARE PUBLIC, AND ESTABLISHED POLICIES ON ALLOWED USE. REALLY TAKING CONTROL OF WHAT WILL BE THE IDEAL COMBINATION OF BUSINESSES TO MAKE DOWNTOWN THRIVE. SO, THIS IS OUR MILESTONE . TODAY I AM HERE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING IN APRIL . WE ARE SEEKING FOR AN INTERORGANIZATIONAL COLLABORATION BETWEEN YOUR ORGANIZATION AND HOURS ON MAY 1. WE WANT TO HAVE A WORKSHOP WHERE WE CAN REALLY DEEP DIVE INTO THE SOLUTIONS AND THE PROBLEMS WE ARE HAVING. IN JUNE, WE WANT TO HAVE ALL OF OUR HOUSEKEEPING STUFF UPDATED. WE WILL A SIGH ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. WE WANT TO BE PART OF THE '26 FISCAL YEAR BUDGETING. WE ARE GOING TO SET UP A NONPROFIT, LAUNCH OUR WEBSITE, AND IN OCTOBER HOPEFULLY WE CAN LOOK BACK AND SAY HEY LOOK AT ALL THE SHORT-TERM GOALS WE'VE ACHIEVED. FOCUS ON EXECUTION.

DECEMBER WE WANTED TO DO A LOOK BACK AND A LOOK AHEAD TO SEE IF WE NEED TO TAKE STRATEGY FOR 2026. MEANWHILE, IN PARALLEL WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING OUR MONTHLY MEETINGS EVERY MONTH, AND WE HOPE TO COME BACK EVERY QUARTER TO PROVIDE UPDATES TO THE COUNCIL ON THE LAST MONTH OF EACH QUARTER. SO, I WENT THROUGH THAT QUICKLY BECAUSE IT'S JUST AN INFORMATIVE ONE TODAY AND YOU

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GUYS CAN READ THROUGH IT AT YOUR LEISURE, BUT THAT IS OUR ONLY ASK IS FOR A WORKSHOP TOGETHER SO WE CAN REALLY ALIGN BECAUSE WE ARE READY AND ALIGNED THIS TIME, SO THAT IS IT. ANY

QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. QUESTIONS

OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? >> I LOVE THIS, THIS IS GREAT.

THIS IS THE VISION I HAD A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN WE STARTED WORKING WITH YOU GUYS, THIS WAS KIND OF THE VISION OF WHAT I HAD. COMING AS A GROUP AND COMING TO COUNCIL SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE WANT, THIS IS OUR VOICE. WE ARE SPEAKING AS A UNIFIED VOICE. WE HAVE KIND OF WORKED OUT A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS, OR THE PROBLEM STATEMENTS AND WE ARE HERE TO WORK ON SOLUTIONS TOGETHER, SO I THINK THIS IS GREAT. I LOVE TO SEE THIS.

>> THANK YOU FOR COMING TO PRESENT. I LIKE IT. IT IS ORGANIZED, IT IS NICE AND NEAT, IT HAS THE SHORT-TERM GOALS. I REALLY APPRECIATE JUST THE WORK THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING OVER THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF HAVE THOSE MILESTONE MARKERS THAT WE CAN GAUGE ON. WE CAN ALWAYS KIND OF MAYBE CHANGE IT AND SHIFT IT, BUT I LIKE THAT YOU ARE WANTING TO COME, AND THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION IS WANTING TO COLLABORATE WITH THE CITY. WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND ALSO JUST KIND OF WORK WITH BUDGET. THAT'S WHAT WE GET INTO IN THE SUMMERTIME. Y'ALL ARE DEFINITELY GETTING IN AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME SO THAT CITY STAFF CAN WORK WITH Y'ALL ON DESIRES OR ANYTHING IDEAS, AND THOSE CAN BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AS WELL. YOU ARE ALREADY GETTING IN ON THE CONVERSATION AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WAIT UNTIL 2026. SO

YEAH, THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. WHEN IS YOUR MONTHLY MEETINGS, AND WHERE ARE THEY? MAC WE HAVE THEM UPSTAIRS , COUNCILMAN PORTERFIELD HAS BEEN HELPING US PRESERVE IT. IF WE CAN'T RESERVE IT, WE HAVE IT IN ONE OF OUR BUILDINGS, WHEREVER WE CAN. IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND, YOU COULD, RIGHT? BUT IT'LL JUST BE KIND OF A BYSTANDER IN OUR MEETING. BUT YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME.

>> THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET THE INVITATION , OR I GUESS THAT SCHEDULE AND SEE WHEN THAT IS AND ATTEND AND JUST BE A FLY ON THE WALL AND LISTEN IN. HAVE YOU COMMUNICATED WITH THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT WHEN OUR BUDGET WORKSHOPS ARE AND SITTING IN ON THAT PROCESS AND JUST HEARING WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS , SEEING WHERE YOU CAN INSERT YOURSELF? HAVE YOU BEEN CONTACTED AND

INVITED TO THOSE? >> NOT YET. I JUST KNOW FROM OTHER PROJECTS WHEN YOU GUYS TO THE BUDGETING AND WHAT IS NOT TOO LATE, THAT'S WHEN WE PUSH THIS INTO JUNE SO THAT WE CAN GET IT THERE BEFORE YOU MAKE THE DECISIONS IN JULY. WE HAVE NOT HAD A CONVERSATION, BUT TO YOUR POINT, WE WEREN'T REALLY A COLLECTIVE GROUP BEFORE AND WE WERE ALL COMING IN SILOS ASKING FOR INDIVIDUAL THINGS, AND TO YOU GUYS, IT MIGHT HAVE SEEMED DISCOMBOBULATED OR CONFLICTING WITH EACH OTHER. WE ARE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE UNANIMOUS , JUST LIKE YOU GUYS, BUT WE WILL HAVE MAJORITY AND WE WILL COME AS ONE VOICE AND WE WOULD APPRECIATE THE SAME BEFORE MAKING ANY DECISIONS FOR HUTTO DOWNTOWN, COME TO US. IT AFFECTS ALL OF US AS BUSINESS OWNERS AND

PROPERTY OWNERS. >> SO CITY MANAGER, CAN WE GET AN INVITE TO THIS GROUP ORGANIZATION ABOUT OUR UPCOMING

BUDGET WORKSHOPS? >> I THINK THE BUDGET SCHEDULE IS POSTED ONLINE, SO JUST LIKE ANY PUBLIC GROUP, THEY ARE WELCOME TO SEE THAT. IF YOU ARE ASKING IF WE WOULD DIRECTLY COMMUNICATE WITH THEM, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL THAT MAYBE WE JUST MAKE A LIST THAT PEOPLE CAN OPT IN OR SOMETHING. I DON'T WANT TO GET TO WHERE IT'S LIKE WE TOLD THE DOWNTOWN FOLKS BUT WE DID NOT TELL THESE FOLKS OVER HERE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

>> TO SEND US WHERE THE LINK IS.

>> GRACIE KNOWS HOW TO FIND ME TOO. PRETTY GOOD AT TRACKING ME

DOWN. >> I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE,

BUT I KNOW HOW TO FIND YOU. >> THANK YOU, GRACIE.

>> WE HAVE AN ITEM TONIGHT FOR ONE-WAY STREETS. IS THERE A WAY WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE THAT UP IF YOU HANG AROUND AND COMMENT ON THAT SINCE IT DEALS WITH OLD TOWN?

>> SURE. >> ALSO PARKING HAS BEEN A BIG HOOPLA THROUGHOUT THE CITY. I MENTIONED THIS FROM A BUSINESS OWNER IN ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, FROM WHAT YOU CAN TELL , ARE THERE BUSINESSES , BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES WE ARE MISSING OUT ON COMING TO DOWNTOWN BECAUSE OF PARKING, OR IS IT JUST IF A SECTION THERE'S AN ISSUE AND IN REALITY --

>> ABSOLUTELY THERE IS. FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN ONE OF MY

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BUILDINGS OPENED UP, HAD PROBABLY A DOZEN INQUIRIES IN THE FIRST THREE DAYS, RIGHT? PEOPLE WANT TO COME TO HUTTO. WE HAD MAJOR BUSINESSES IN DOWNTOWN GEORGETOWN AND ROUND ROCK THAT WANTED TO HAVE A SECOND AND THIRD FLAGSHIP STORE. THEY CAME, TOURED, AND SAID WHERE IS THE PARKING? NOTHING REALLY HAPPENED. IF YOU GO IN THE EVENINGS, YES THERE'S LOTS OF FREE SPACES, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE BUSINESSES ARE CLOSED. SO WE HAVE TO START AT ONE POINT, WE CAN KEEP GOING IN CYCLES OF IS THERE PARKING? WELL, YOU DON'T NEED IT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE SHORT-TERM SOLUTION OF TEMPORARY PARKING SOLUTIONS COME IN PLACE, RIGHT? BUT ABSOLUTELY YES WE ARE MISSING OUT ON THE RETURN ON EXPERIENCE KIND OF BUSINESSES DO TO LACK OF PARKING

IN THE EVENINGS AND LUNCHTIME. >> SO THESE ARE LIKE RETAIL? ARE

THESE RESTAURANTS? >> RESTAURANT, COMBINATION RESTAURANT BARS, NOT SO MUCH RETAIL. RETAIL IS MORE COME AND GO. BUT WHERE PEOPLE STAY TWO HOURS PLUS, RIGHT?

>> IF YOU HAD TO GUESS, HOW MANY EMPTY STOREFRONTS ARE THERE RIGHT NOW? I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH AN ORGANIZATION DOWN THERE, AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT PARKING AND THEY WERE LIKE IF WE JUST BUILD IT, THEN PARKING WILL COME LATER. I WAS COMMENTING, IT SEEMED TO BE THERE'S A LOT OF STOREFRONTS THAT ARE AND RIGHT NOW, PROBABLY MORE THAN SINCE I'VE EVER BEEN ON COUNCIL, BUT

IF YOU HAD TO GUESS, WHAT -- >> JUST ON EAST STREET THAT I AM ON, WE HAVE FOUR STOREFRONTS INCLUDING THE UPSTAIRS AND DOWNSTAIRS THAT ARE VACANT. AND OUR RENTS ARE LOWER THAN CO-OP, RIGHT? IT IS NOT A PRICE POINT. IT JUST COMES DOWN TO WELL, IT'S JUST COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE 101 ALSO, RIGHT? WHETHER WE THINK THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING OR NOT FOR A RESTAURANT OF A CERTAIN SEATING AMOUNT, THERE SHOULD BE AN IDEAL PARKING COUNT RATIO. JUST LOOKING AT THAT KIND OF DATA, I THINK WE CAN REALLY NARROW DOWN HOW MUCH MORE DO WE NEED. BUT , THAT GOES BACK TO HOW DO WE HAVE PARAMETERS ON WHAT KIND OF USE SHOULD BE DOWNTOWN, RIGHT? NOT JUST SELECTING ANY TENANT WILLING TO PAY, BUT LIKE SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES DOWNTOWN, LIMITS ON X NUMBER OF BARS AND RESTAURANTS WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIMETER, RIGHT? TOO MUCH WILL KILL EACH COMPETITION, BUT YOU NEED SOME COMPETITION FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO GO FOR THE

EXPERIENCE. >> ALL RIGHT, SO ON THAT, AND SORRY, I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS JUST BECAUSE OF THE INVOLVEMENT OF COMMERCIAL. WE DEBATE APPEAR A LOT ABOUT HOW MUCH INVOLVEMENT SHOULD THE CITY HAVE ON SAY YOU AS A PROPERTY OWNER OR OTHER PEOPLE AS A PROPERTY OWNER IN TERMS OF DECAYING THINGS. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE ADVOCATING THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON AN SU P PROCESS WHERE I THINK RIGHT NOW WE HAVE MEDICAL OFFICES AS AN SUP AND WE DEBATE ON THAT TO WHERE SHOULD WE BE TELLING PEOPLE NOT TO POST UP THERE? IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE ADVOCATING YOU WANT TO HAVE A SERIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT NO MORE OF THIS, A LIMIT OF THIS, MAKE A PROCESS HERE AND WE WILL ALSO MAKE DIFFERENT PROJECTS. NOT THAT YOU GUYS WOULD DICTATE EVERYTHING, BUT YOU KIND OF WHAT THE CITY TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A VISION. IF YOU WANT ROUND ROCK, THEN YOU WANT BARS AND RESTAURANTS. IF YOU WANT GEORGETOWN, YOU WANT BARS AND RESTAURANTS. KIND OF MOM AND POP SHOP. I GUESS YOU GUYS ARE WANTING US TO HAVE A VISION THAT YOU AS LANDOWNERS

AND TENANTS CAN THEN WORK ON. >> WE WOULD LIKE 2042 ALIGN WITH OUR MISSION WHICH GOES BACK TO THE HUB OF COMMERCE. COMMERCE AND ENTERTAINMENT TOGETHER. WE ARE NOT ENVISIONING OUR DOWNTOWN TO BE A BUSINESS DISTRICT. WE ARE NOT ENVISIONING OUR DOWNTOWN TO BE A MEDICAL OFFICE DISTRICT. WE WANT IT TO BE COMMERCE AND ENTERTAINMENT. WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME, STAY, PLAY, SPEND MONEY FOR A COUPLE HOURS. EVIL PEOPLE FROM OTHER CITIES TO COME, RIGHT? THAT WILL HELP THE ECONOMY AND JUST THE BUSINESSES

TOO. >> IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND JUST DO THE QUARTERLY UPDATES LIKE DO WITH THE CHAMBER AND JUST CLEAN IT WITH THEM IN TERMS OF THE NEXT YEAR THAT WHEN YOU GUYS CAN PLAN. IF YOU GUYS CAN COME BACK WITH WHAT YOU THINK THE NEXT QUARTER, AND OF WHAT YOU THINK YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN AN SUP, WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE US RESTRICT OR AT LEAST HAVE A BIG LIKE THAT, AND ALSO WHAT YOU GUYS ENVISION AS HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS WE NEED SHORT-TERM VERSUS LONG-TERM BECAUSE NOT GETTING INTO WHO HAS A BUSINESS AND DOESN'T. STAFF DOES A GREAT JOB IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE PEOPLE FOLLOW RULES. I DON'T KNOW THAT STAFF AND COUNCIL ALWAYS HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF SOUTHSIDE MARKETS THAT SAYS WE NEED 100 PARKING SPOTS. WE LOOK BACK AND SAY WE DON'T NEED ALL THAT. THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED AS A MINIMUM OTHERWISE THEY ARE NOT COMING. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW WHAT OPPORTUNITIES WE ARE MISSING OUT ON, HOW MUCH WE

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NEED, AND THEN WE CAN WORK MAYBE ON SOME SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM

RINGS WITH YOU GUYS. >> GRACIE, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. THIS IS BEAUTIFUL. ECHO THE SENTIMENTS. THIS IS WHAT THE VISION STARTED TO LOOK LIKE. MIKE AND PETER STARTED US OFF LONG BEFORE I WAS EVEN ON COUNCIL BACK WHEN I WAS A BUSINESS OWNER DOWNTOWN. I'M STILL PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT YOU GUYS ARE COMING TOGETHER, YOU GUYS ARE GETTING A COLLECTIVE MIND-SET , SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT SHOWED UP TONIGHT. I THINK THAT IS KEY. THAT IS WHAT WE NEED. I'VE ALWAYS SAID FROM BEFORE I EVEN GOT TO HUTTO, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A THRIVING DOWNTOWN, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE A HOMETOWN. DOWNTOWN BRINGS EVERYBODY TOGETHER. I MEAN EVERYBODY. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE YOU'RE FROM, HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE, WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE. IT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY PIVOTAL THING FOR HUTTO TO REALLY IN MY OPINION BOOST HUTTO, AND NOT THAT WE NEED BOOSTING BECAUSE WE ARE JUST IN THIS FLUSH MARKET OR WHATEVER, BUT YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING TO HELP US GROW, SO THIS IS BEAUTIFUL, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY THAT PROVIDED INPUT , AND I'M

EXCITED. >> ME TOO. THANK YOU.

>> THANKS, GRACIE. NO OBJECTIONS, I'D LIKE TO MOVE ITEM 13 POINT ONE UP NEXT. HEARING NOT. WE WILL GO TO ITEM

[13.1. Consideration and possible action regarding Old Town parking and one-way streets following the open house feedback provided by the public. (David Amsler) ]

13 POINT ONE, CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING OLDTOWN PARKING AND ONE-WAY STREETS FOLLOWING THE OPEN HOUSE FEEDBACK PROVIDED BY THE PUBLIC.

>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL, DAVID AMSLER FOR THE RECORD. TONIGHT I'M BRINGING YOU A SUMMARY OF THE RESULTS FROM THE OPEN HOUSE AND SURVEY THAT STAFF CONDUCTED . FIRST, THIS PROCESS INCLUDED AN IN PERSON OPEN HOUSE WITH THE SURVEY BEING A COMPANION PIECE, SOME IMPORTANT DATA POINTS OF NOTE IS WE HAD 151 SUBMISSIONS , AND OF THOSE SUBMISSIONS, 53 INDIVIDUAL RESPONDENTS COMPLETED THE ENTIRETY OF THE SURVEY. DATE RANGE THIS OCCURRED DURING FEBRUARY 25 THROUGH MARCH 10 IS WHEN THE SURVEY WAS OPEN, AND INDIVIDUAL DATA POINTS OR RESPONSES THAT WE HAD WAS 857 . WHO PARTICIPATED . OF OUR PARTICIPANTS, 53 IDENTIFIED BEING A HUTTO RESIDENT, AND 32 OF THOSE RESPONDENTS IDENTIFIED AS BEING A SHOP OR BUSINESS OWNER IN OLDTOWN. PARTICIPANTS WERE ASKED THEIR REFERRED APPROACH TO OLDTOWN STREETS AS WELL AS THEIR OPINION ON CONVERTING TO ONE-WAY STREETS. 34 RESPONDENTS WERE IN FAVOR OF AN APPROACH KEEPING OLD TOWN AS IT IS, WHILE 20 STATED A VERSION OF ONE-WAY STREETS WOULD BE FAVORED. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE SURVEY DID NOT INCLUDE POTENTIAL RISK FACTORS SUCH AS CHANGE IN TRAFFIC FLOW OR POTENTIAL BENEFITS SUCH AS EXPANDED SIDEWALK PARKING IN ORDER TO KEEP THE QUESTION AS NEUTRAL AS POSSIBLE AND NOT TO LEAVE RESPONDENTS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. OF THE 23 RESPONDENTS WHO CHOSE TO ANSWER OPEN-ENDED QUESTIONS TO TRAFFIC FLOW , THERE WAS STRONG SENTIMENT TO AVOID ONE-WAY STREETS AND RESIDENTIAL AND CORE AREAS OF OLD TOWN TO COMMON CONCERNS INCLUDED INCREASED CONFUSION AND ACCIDENTS. RESIDENT ACCESS AND SAFETY.

>> DAVID, IS THERE SUPPOSED TO BE SLIGHTS CHANGING? BECAUSE IT HASN'T CHANGED FROM THE FIRST SLIDE.

>> I'M SO SORRY. >> I KIND OF WAS CONFUSED.

>> I APOLOGIZE. OKAY. I WILL SLOW DOWN FOR A SECOND HERE.

THIS WAS THE PARTICIPATION RATES.

>> THANK YOU. >> THIS WAS FOR THE OPINIONS ON ONE-WAY STREETS THAT I SPOKE ON. AND NOW WE ARE BACK TO THE OPEN-ENDED QUESTIONS. SO, THERE WAS A STRONG SENTIMENT TO AVOID ONE-WAY STREETS AND RESIDENTS WANTED BETTER PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS SIDEWALKS, LIGHTING, AND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS. ONE THAT WAS INTERESTING IS DURING EVIDENCE, THERE WAS A FEW COMMENTS THAT SAID MAY BE A SHUTTLE SERVICE FROM THE PARKING GARAGE TO DOWNTOWN AS A MORE COST-EFFECTIVE OPTION. SOME SAMPLE FEEDBACK IS PROVIDED ON THE SLIDE THAT ARE DIRECT QUOTES FROM THE OPEN-ENDED RESPONSES.

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NEXT, WE ASKED ABOUT PARKING. SOME OF THE KEY QUESTIONS WE ASKED THERE IS IS THERE ENOUGH PARKING TO SUPPORT BUSINESSES, WHAT ARE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES, AND SUPPORT FOR TIME-LIMITED PARKING AS WELL AS TROUBLE FINDING PARKING. SOME KEY DATA POINTS THERE IS DO YOU THINK THERE'S CURRENTLY ENOUGH PARKING IN OLD TOWN? WE HAD MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS/OWNERS RESPOND NO WITH 55% STATING THAT . AND IN THE NEXT SLIDE, OF THE PARKING SOLUTIONS , A SLIGHT MAJORITY OF ONLY 50% STATED PARKING GARAGE WHILE 22% , OR 22 RESPONDENTS, ROUGHLY 36% , RESPONDED THEY WERE UNDECIDED. OF THE 21 RESPONDENTS WHO RESPONDED TO OPEN-ENDED QUESTIONS REGARDING PARKING, STATED PARKING SHOULD BE A SUPPORTIVE TOOL, NOT A DRIVER OF LAND-USE DESIGN. ONLY IF THEY RESPECT OLD TOWN'S HISTORIC CHARACTER. VISUALLY UNINTRUSIVE AND PRIMARILY SERVE EVENT NEEDS.

THAT WAS A CORE THEME THROUGHOUT ALL OF OUR COMMENTS IS DURING EVENT TIMES THAT THE PARKING BECAME MORE OF AN ISSUE. THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF RESISTANCE TO PAID PARKING AS WELL AS JUST TIMED RESTRICTIONS. CHANGES THAT APPEAR TO PRIORITIZE THE CARS OVER PEOPLE. THERE IS SOME SAMPLE FEEDBACK, DIRECT QUOTES FROM THE OPEN-ENDED RESPONSES. NEXT WE ASKED REGARDING EXPANSION OF EXPANDING OUR CURRENT TOURERS IN THE COLD DISTRICT TO HELP SOME FUND THESE ITEMS. THE RESPONSES WERE VERY MIXED WHICH INDICATED THAT IF THE COUNCIL WANTED TO GO THIS DIRECTION, PUBLIC EDUCATION IS NEEDED ON WHAT EXACTLY THAT

MEANS. >> DO YOU THINK -- I GATHERED A LOT OF THIS WAS BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT WAS. I MEAN, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG UNDECIDED AND NEUTRAL. THAT'S LIKE HALF. THEY PROBABLY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT

THAT MEANS. >> SO IN COMING CONVERSATIONS, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE EDUCATION ON IT.

>> IS THAT A THING THAT WE CAN I GUESS WATCH FOR IN THE FUTURE?

>> AT LEAST A DEFINITION UNDERNEATH THE QUESTION LIKE THAT , THAT IS MORE GOVERNMENT SPEAK. THERE WAS AN OPEN MAP THAT ALLOWED INDIVIDUALS TO PIN COMMENTS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WHILE THERE IS QUITE A FEW DATA POINTS THERE, NINE INDIVIDUALS RESPONDED TO THE MAP, SO THEY WERE ABLE TO PLACE MULTIPLE PINS , SO EVEN THOUGH THERE'S MULTIPLE DATA POINTS, IT'S COMING FROM NINE INDIVIDUALS. STRONG INTEREST IN EXPANDING PARKING AND WALK ABILITY. MIXED OPINIONS ON ONE-WAY STREETS AND TRAFFIC FLOW CHANGES. CONCERN OVER SAFETY , CONGESTION, AND CONFUSING INTERSECTIONS. AGAIN, IT IS OUR TWO PRESERVE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN'S CHARACTER. SOME SUGGESTED IMPROVEMENTS FROM RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS WITH TWO IMPROVED PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND VISIBILITY, EVALUATE TRAFFIC STRATEGIES USING DATA, FOCUS ON REVITALIZATION WITHOUT MAJOR DISRUPTIONS, AND EXPLORING A PARKING GARAGE OR MANAGE LOT OPTIONS. FINALLY, FROM THE SURVEY, ALL OF THAT DATA COULD SUGGEST , OR DOES SUGGEST THAT INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS MAY BE THE MOST WISE APPROACH TO DOWNTOWN AS THERE IS A LOT OF MIXED OPINION. THERE ISN'T A SWEEPING INITIATIVE THAT SAYS WE DEFINITELY NEED THIS X ITEM. PARKING GARAGE BECOME MORE VIABLE WITH EXPANSION OR REDEVELOPMENT, MATURES IN THE AREA. ENGINEERING COULD DO A MORE TARGETED APPROACH TO STUDY TRAFFIC FLOWS FOR SELECT STREETS INSTEAD OF MULTIPLE ONE-WAY STREETS SUCH AS METCALF. NEAR-TERM IMPROVEMENTS SHOULD FOCUS ON WALK ABILITY, TRAFFIC FLOW, AND TRYING TO MAXIMIZE OUR SUSTAINED INFRASTRUCTURE. WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY

QUESTIONS. >> DAVID, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I KNOW WHEN WE WENT OFF TO HAVE Y'ALL GO LOOK AT THIS THAT I BROUGHT UP WAS , AND I THINK WE HAD IN THE PREVIOUS THING, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ONE-WAY STREETS. ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WAS SEEN IS FROM AN ENGINEERING POINT OF VIEW, BECAUSE ALL THE RESIDENTS SAY THEY WANT SIDEWALKS TO BE ABLE TO WALK DOWN SOME OF THESE OLD STREETS. THEY WANT DRAINAGE. AND THEY WANT IT ON STREET PARKING. THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO THOSE THREE

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THINGS ON THE VERY NARROW STREETS IS A ONE-WAY STREET WHERE YOU HAVE ONE WAY AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE THE WALK ABILITY AND PARKING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE IN ONE DIRECTION. I DON'T SEE IN THE SURVEY WHERE THAT WAS EXPLAINED , BECAUSE I WONDER IF YOU WOULD GET DIFFERENT SURVEY RESULTS BY EXPLAINING WHY YOU LOOK AT A ONE-WAY STREET LIKE THE BENEFIT OF IT AND SAY IF YOU DON'T WANT A ONE-WAY STREET, THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THIS BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS TRADE-OFFS TO WHATEVER YOU DO. I DON'T SEE WHERE THIS EVEN EXPLORED THAT .

>> CORRECT. DURING THE OPEN HOUSE, THAT GAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE DIRECT QUESTIONS SUCH AS THAT. IN THE SURVEY, IF YOU CHANGED THE WORDING OF THAT QUESTION, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE SENTIMENT WOULD FLUCTUATE TO A MORE POSITIVE SENTIMENT TOWARDS THAT. BUT DURING THE OPEN HOUSE, A LOT OF THE CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED WAS STILL TRAFFIC FLOW. VERSUS THE BENEFIT OF HAVING

MORE PEDESTRIAN MANEUVERABILITY. >> THERE WAS A MAP. TO I GUESS DEFEND DAVID HERE, BUT THERE WAS A MAP PRESENTED AT THE OPEN HOUSE THAT SHOWED , THAT PRESENTATION GIVEN THAT HAD THE ONE-WAY STREET AND EVERYTHING, SO IT DEFINITELY WAS DISCUSSED.

I DON'T KNOW IT WAS THE SURVEY SPECIFICALLY, BUT IT WAS DEFINITELY A TOPIC TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT AT THE OPEN HOUSE.

POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, I'M NOT SURE, BUT IT WAS DEFINITELY

DISCUSSED. >> I CAN SEE MIXED FEEDBACK BECAUSE IF YOU ASK 100 PEOPLE WHERE TO GO EAT DINNER, I WOULDN'T EXPECT 75% OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY THIS IS THE PLACE. I CAN SEE WHERE EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT IDEA, AND THAT'S WHERE WE GET PAID TO DO THE JOB, SO WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SOME PEOPLE MAD, WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SOME PEOPLE VERY HAPPY. WE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO MAKE SOME PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT. SO, THE ITEM IS POSSIBLE ACTION, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS , I'M NOT SEEING WHAT STAFF IS ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING. IS THERE LIKE A MAP OF WHAT YOU ARE RECOMMENDING THAT HEY, WE SHOULD DO ONE-WAY HERE, TWO-WAY HERE, CLOSE THIS ROAD OFF OR WHAT IS YOUR ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION?

>> I DON'T WANT TO FULLY SPEAK FOR ENGINEERING, BUT ORIGINALLY STAFF WAS LOOKING FOR MORE DIRECTION OF A TARGETED APPROACH THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE SO THAT ENGINEERING COULD DEVELOP

THAT FOR COUNCIL. >> SO FOR ME, I THINK IT'S WISE FOR US TO DEFINITELY DO THE PHASED APPROACH. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAYBE START WITH A SECTION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, WHETHER IT'S ONE-WAY OR INCREASING PARKING . I THINK -- OR BOTH, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO LIKE A WHOLE BLOCK . I THINK WE SHOULD JUST KIND OF FOCUS ON ONE SMALL SECTION AND SEE HOW THAT GOES MOVING FORWARD. WILLING TO DISCUSS WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE . I HAVE AN IDEA THAT WAS BROUGHT UP ACTUALLY AT THE OPEN HOUSE WORKSHOP , WHATEVER.

>> YEAH, I COULD GO FOR THE PHASED APPROACH AND THEN HAVE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ALLIANCE GIVE US RECOMMENDATIONS BASED OFF OF THAT, BUT I FEEL LIKE IF WE DON'T TRY SOMETHING, THEN THERE'S NOTHING TO REALLY WEIGH LIKE HEY WE SHOULD DO THIS OR WE SHOULD DO MORE OF THIS. I'D BE IN FAVOR OF A PHASED APPROACH, AND THEN LET THIS ORGANIZATION GIVE US FEEDBACK ON THAT.

>> WE ASKED THEM TO STAY. CAN THEY GIVE FEEDBACK NOW?

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> LET ME ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS. WHAT PHASE ARE WE WHEN YOU GUYS TO START WITH? EVERYBODY KEEPS SAYING A PHASED APPROACH. WHAT IS PHASE ONE?

>> THAT IS EVER QUESTION TO COUNCIL.

>> FOR ME, THAT IS DO WE WANT TO FOCUS ON ONE WAYS? DO WE WANT TO FOCUS ON WORKING? DO WE JUST WANT TO DO A SMALL SECTION, LIKE A PIECE OF A BLOCK? IT CAN LOOK LIKE ANYTHING. I'M WILLING TO DISCUSS THAT AMONGST ALL SEVEN OF US.

>> MINE WAS THE BIG WORKING ISSUE BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE PARKING IS NUMBER ONE, SO THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST PHASE IS WE LOOK AT PARKING AND THEN FROM THERE WE LOOK AT STREETS , BUT I

WOULD START WITH PARKING FIRST. >> ONE OF THE WAYS YOU ALLEVIATE PARKING IF YOU HAVE ONE-WAY STREETS, YOU CAN DESIGNATE PAINT STRIPS , IMMEDIATELY DOUBLED PARKING ON A COUPLE OF STREETS.

THAT FIXES THE PROBLEM OF WALK ABILITY. I THINK THEY GET MIRRORED HAND-IN-HAND. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN LOOK AT EACH ONE IN A SILO. I THINK THAT'S THE WRONG APPROACH.

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>> I AGREE WITH THAT. I'M GOING TO SAY THIS AND WE WILL HAVE THE HBA COME UP AND SAY I'M IN IDIOT. GET WARM OR COLD OR WHATEVER. TO ME, PHASE ONE IS WE HAVE THE MAP, WE HEADED OUT THERE ON THE ONE WAYS, TWO WAYS, AND I THINK STAFF IS GOING TO MAKE A FEW CHANGES BASED ON SOME COMMENTS LIKE HEY, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE EASTBOUND HERE AND YOU CROSSED WESTBOUND, YOU MAKE IT ALL EASTER ALL WEST. I THINK PHASE ONE IS WE START CHANGING GOOGLE MAPS TO SAY WHAT IS GOING TO BE ONE-WAY, WAS GOING TO BE TWO WAY, AND WE IMPLEMENT THAT STRIPING PLAN SAY FOUR MONTHS FROM NOW BECAUSE ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS IF WE CHANGE THIS OVERNIGHT IT'S GOING TO CONFUSE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING MAPS. WE CAN START WITH DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE, THE STOPLIGHT, IT WILL BLINK RED FOR WHAT SEEMS LIKE FOREVER BEFORE THEY TURN IT ON. YOU CAN DO THAT IN PHASE ONE. AND THEN YOU GET INTO THE ONE-WAY PARKING, AND THEN TO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER CLARK WAS SAYING, INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT THE DOWNTOWN PEOPLE HAVE.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT BY TAKING A NARROW STREET AND MAKING IT ONE WAY, YOU CAN NOW HAVE ON STREET PARKING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO FIX EVERY DRAINAGE INTO ALL THIS PARKING.

WE CAN HAVE ON STREAK PARKING IN SOME AREAS, NOT ALL OF IT, AND THEN ALSO ALLOWS I THINK ONE OF THE IDEAS WAS EAST STREET ON THE GO NORTHBOUND, WHICH WHEN I FIRST HEARD THAT I SAID THAT'S CRAZY. WHY WOULD WE DO THAT? AND THEN EVERYBODY WAS ASKING ME HAVE YOU EVER TRIED TO TAKE A LEFT OUT OF EAST STREET GOING SOUTH AND I WAS LIKE NO, YOU NEVER DO THAT, YOU WOULD GET

HIT. >> THERE WERE SEVERAL COMMENTS ON THE SURVEY TALKING ABOUT THAT.

>> IF THAT'S GOING TO BE NORTH, IT'S GOING TO MAKE MORE ON EAST STREET. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU GUYS. IT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PHASE ONE, AND THEN PHASE TWO WOULD BE A TEMPORARY PARKING LOT . THERE IS SOME EMPTY LAND , WHETHER WE HAVE TO DO SMALL IMPROVEMENTS TO CREATE PARKING TEMPORARY, AND IN PHASE THREE I THINK IS A MORE LONG-TERM THOUGHT PROCESS IN TERMS OF A PARKING GARAGE , WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, HOW DO WE INCORPORATE THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT A PARKING GARAGE DOWN THERE. WHAT YOU WANT IS A FACILITY I THINK THAT YOU CAN PARK CARS IN THAT LOOKS LIKE AN OLD TOWN BUILDING THAT HAS RETAIL AROUND IT LIKE YOU SEE IN SOME OF THE OLD SOUTHEASTERN TOWNS. IF YOU DON'T MIND, GRACIE OR MATT, COMING UP AND JUST SAYING YOU GUYS KNOW FROM YOUR STUFF. I HEARD DAD. SORRY,

COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON. >> BEFORE WE GO THERE I WANTED TO SAY I'M WITH YOU ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE I KNOW THOSE SEEM TO MAKE SENSE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN'T FORGET IS WE ALREADY HAVE STREET DATA FOR STREETS THAT NEED TO BE REBUILT, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENCE THAT ONE SIDEWALKS, SO I THINK ALSO THE CHALLENGE FOR STAFF IS TO LOOK AT BASED ON OUR STREET DATA WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE SHOULD BE POTENTIALLY REDOING SOME OF THESE STREETS , AND COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE AS A FIRST PROJECT OF ONE STREET OR TWO STREETS TO MAKE ONE WAY AND PUT IN A SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE, AND HAVE THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER WHERE THAT FITS IN THE PLAN. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF SEPARATE FROM DOING SOME ONE-WAY IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA WHERE YOU MIGHT NOT BE BE PAVING THE ROAD I'M A YOU ARE RESTRIPING AND TRYING TO CREATE PARKING.

THAT'S KIND OF A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT INK.

>> GRACIE, CAN YOU GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE IF THIS IS KIND OF

GOING THE RIGHT WAY? >> I THINK SO. I THINK WHAT COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON IS TALKING ABOUT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ONE ON -- WHERE MORE SIDEWALKS WERE PROMISED TO THE

RESIDENCE? >> I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY KIND OF UNDERWAY REALLY. IT'S NOT DONE , BUT IT'S DOWN THE ROAD QUITE A BIT, BUT IT'S ALL THE OTHER STREETS IN OLD TOWN THAT ALL ARE IN NEED OF RECONSTRUCTION AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

THE RESIDENTIAL ONES ARE WORSE THAN -- IF YOU GO UP TO HUTTO STREET AND OTHER STREETS UP THERE THAT ARE IN JUST TERRIBLE CONDITION. ON OUR LIST, TO REBUILD AND IN SOME FASHION AT SOME POINT, IN THE NEXT HOWEVER MANY YEARS, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THERE. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IF WE ARE IMPLEMENTING A ONE-WAY PLAN, HOW THAT MIGHT CHANGE SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS, AND IF THERE'S ONE THERE THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO HIGHLIGHT AS KIND OF A DEMONSTRATION FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PART OF THE DOWNTOWN , AND THAT DOESN'T PREVENT US FROM DOING OTHER THINGS. IN THE MORE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THAT YOU GUYS HIGHLIGHT IN THE BLOCKS BETWEEN WEST AND 1660 . THAT AREA MAKES SENSE TO DO DIFFERENT PROJECTS IN AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

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>> ABSOLUTELY, BUT I THINK IT GOES BACK TO OUR AREA OF FOCUS TO U.S. 79, SO WE ARE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL TOWN IN THE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION, BUT ALSO HOW DO WE WANT TO MAKE IT WALKABLE ALL THE WAY UP TO LIVE OAK. WE ARE NOT SAYING US VERSUS THEM HIM A RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL.

WE ARE SAYING YOU ALREADY HAVE PROJECTS LIKE LIVE OAK AND THE RESIDENTIAL POTHOLE REPAIRS AND SUCH. WHILE WE ARE DOING THAT, CAN WE GET TOGETHER? WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE. THAT'S ALL WE ARE SAYING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRY TO HAVE AS BUSINESS OWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON SOMEONE'S FRONT YARD BEING DONATED FOR A WIDER SIDEWALK, BUT SUCH AS EAST STREET BECOMING ONE-WAY, IT SOLVES TEMPORARY PARKING SOLUTIONS. THAT DOESN'T AUDIT A RESIDENT DID BUT FROM THE WORKSHOP THAT DAVID WAS TALKING ABOUT, I WAS HEARING PEOPLE WHO ARE RESIDENTS ALONG LIVE OAK MORE TOWARD DOWNTOWN WERE SAYING THEY DON'T WANT SO MUCH CART TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH, AND THAT ALIGNS WITH OUR VISION OF WE WANTED TO BE WALKABLE, SAY, MORE STREET LIGHTING, WIDER SIDEWALKS AND SUCH. WE ARE ALL SAYING THE SAME THING. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHICH ONE DO WE START AT? AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO SMALL WINS, RIGHT? RESTRIPING MAKING EAST STREET NORTHBOUND ONE-WAY SOLVES TWO PROBLEMS, AND ONE THING AT A TIME. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION , MAYOR SNYDER, OR NOT.

>> IF I SAID HEY, IF I MADE A MOTION PHASE ONE WAS TO HAVE STAFF COME BACK WITH THE ONE WAY, TWO WAY PLAN, ADJUSTED FOR THE ALL-EAST, ALL-WEST AND BRING IT BACK IN A MONTH FOR US TO ADOPT OR NOT ADOPT, BASED ON THAT BECAUSE I CAN JUST SEE DOING JUST EAST STREET. TO ME IT'S GOT TO BE IF WE DID THAT, DO YOU SEE THAT AS BEING A STAR IN THE DIRECTION TO WHERE --

>> I BELIEVE SO. YEAH. >> ALL RIGHT, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED FROM YOUR GUYS'S STANDPOINT THAT YOU GUYS SEE? MATT, YOU HAVE A BUILDING RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF 79. DOES IT BOTHER YOU IF WE TURN THAT ONE-WAY GOING NORTHBOUND? DO YOU SEE MORE PARKING BEING MORE BENEFICIAL?

>> YEAH, SO I AGREE ON THE NORTHBOUND ONE-WAY ON EAST STREET. I MEAN, IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION AT STOPPING IT AT FARLEY STREET? THAT BLOCK HEADING NORTHBOUND BECAUSE THEN YOU WILL STILL HAVE PEOPLE , PEOPLE DRIVING BEING ABLE TO FLOAT EAST MINAS WEST, AND THEN NORTH-SOUTH RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CREATES CONFUSION. YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT WITH IT JUST CHANGING AT THE SECOND BLOCK AND KIND OF MAINTAINING AS IT IS HEARD I GUESS WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS, OR IS I GUESS FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, IS IT NOT WISE TO DO THAT? BUT I DO THINK WE SHOULD STILL LEAVE IT AVAILABLE TO UTILIZE THE NORTH-SOUTH OPTIONS. NORTH OF FARLEY STREET.

>> CAN WE TABLE IT TO SAY WE WILL DISCUSS THE FINAL DISCUSSION AT THE WORKSHOP? DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION NOW?

>> WHAT WE MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HAVE STAFF COME BACK ON MAY 1 WITH THE PLAN THAT YOU GUYS HAD BEFORE AND GIVE US YOUR RECOMMENDATION . THIS IS WHERE I THINK YOUR EXPERIENCE AND MASS EXPERIENCE, RICK'S EXPERIENCE IS GOING TO COME IN HANDY. YOU GUYS GIVE US RECOMMENDATIONS. THESE ARE ROADS WE THINK SHOULD GO ONE WAY, TWO WAY, HOW IT'S GOING TO BE LAID OUT, AND I THINK THAT IS PHASE ONE. AND THEN WE DEBATE THAT AND THEN WE EITHER ADOPT IT OR TWEAK IT, AND THEN I THINK FROM THERE WE CAN START WORKING ON STEP TWO, BUT THAT'S WE WILL MAKE THE MOTION THAT YOU GUYS COME BACK IN A MONTH WITH THE ROAD DIRECTIONAL PLAN TESTED BASED ON THE FEEDBACK YOU GUYS HAD.

>> CAN WE HAVE A TIMELINE FOR DAVID AND MATT? I WANT REALISTIC

EXPECTATIONS. >> HASN'T STAFF ALREADY BROUGHT US SOME PROPOSALS ON ONE WAY? STREETS AND PARKING.

>> BUT NOW THEY HAVE THE FEEDBACK THEY NEED.

>> HERE IS WHAT I WOULD SAY. WE HAD THE MEETING TWO MONTHS AGO.

WE GOT FEEDBACK. I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT I THINK WE NEED TO SEE THE CITY ENGINEER TO GO THIS IS GOING TO MAKE SENSE

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BECAUSE IF THIS IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, BUSINESS OWNERS DON'T UNDERSTAND TRAFFIC FLOW AS WELL. BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, YOU HAVE 80 DIFFERENT PEOPLE WANTING DIFFERENT THINGS. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN DO BASED ON THAT MAP? EAST AND WEST COMING TOGETHER. MAKE IT ALL EAST AND ALL WEST.

>> YEAH, WE CAN DIG IN AND LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY , I THINK EAST STREET SEEMS TO BE THE HIGH PRIORITY. WE CAN TAKE IN. THE FIRST MAP THAT I DID WAS JUST KIND OF HEY, LET'S THROW EVERYTHING OUT THERE AND SEE WHAT EVERYBODY WAS THINKING. WE CAN DIG IN A LITTLE MORE AND BRING BACK SOMETHING MORE REFINED AND FOCUSED IN AND I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD BE ABLE TO

DO THAT IN ABOUT A MONTH. >> TO WHERE WE COULD AT LEAST SAY FARLEY IS GOING TO GO THIS WAY OR TWO WAY.

>> FOCUS ON MORE OF THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF OLD TOWN .

YEAH. >> SO, QUICK QUESTION, SO IS YOUR IDEA IF WE ARE PRESENTED THIS EVENT TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION POTENTIALLY OF MULTIPLE STREETS AT ONE TIME?

>> WELL, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD DO, MY THINKING IS WE WOULD SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO SEE ULTIMATELY, AND THEN WE DO THAT AND THEN STAFF COMES BACK A MONTH OR TWO LATER AND SAYS NOW HERE IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO GET ALL THESE DIRECTIONS TO CHANGE.

I DON'T THINK YOU CAN FLIP THE SWITCH AND CHANGE THEM ALL. I THINK FIRST STAFF NEEDS TO KNOW IF WE WANT TO CHANGE DIRECTIONS, AND THEN ONCE WE DECIDE YES WE DO, THEN I THINK STAFF IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND SAY OKAY, WE CAN DO SIGNAGE THIS WAY, COMMUNICATION THIS WAY, UPDATE GOOGLE MAPS AND ALL THAT I THINK IT'S A PHASED THING. WE MAY NOT CHANGE UNTIL END OF YEAR BASED ON SIGNAGE AND EDUCATION, ALL THAT. GEORGETOWN HAS ONE-WAY STREETS, ROUND ROCK HAS ONE-WAY STREETS. IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY, BUT I THINK --

>> I JUST DON'T THINK WE ARE THERE YET TO CHANGE THE DIRECTIONS OF MULTIPLE STREETS IN ONE PHASE. I THINK WE SHOULD FOCUS ON ONE, IT BEING EAST STREET, AND HOW THAT PLAYS INTO JUST THE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE AND PARKING. OBVIOUSLY. THE NEED FOR

PARKING. >> OTHERWISE TRAFFIC FLOW DOES

NOT WORK. >> OF JUST ASKING FOR STAFF TO BRING BACK A RECOMMENDATION, AND I THINK WE CAN DEBATE THE STAGES OF WHEN WE CHANGE . THIS COUNCIL MAY NOT EVEN WANT TO CHANGE DIRECTIONS , SO I REALLY DON'T WANT TO DEBATE WHICH ONE GOES WHERE . CAN WE JUST FOCUS ON LIKE FIVE TO 10 STREETS IN AND

AROUND EAST STREET? >> I'M JUST SAYING WHATEVER IS

IN THAT ORANGE BOX. >> SO, HERE'S MY THOUGHT ON IT.

I THINK YOU NEED TO COME UP WITH A COMPREHENSIVE LONG-TERM PLAN OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO THROUGHOUT ALL OF OLD TOWN. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE THE PLAN BECAUSE WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IN MY THINKING IS YOU FOCUS ON A SMALL AREA AND YOU DECIDE OKAY, THESE ARE GOING TO BE ONE-WAY AND THESE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ONE-WAY, AND THEN TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD ONCE YOU IMPLEMENT THAT AND YOU'RE LIKE OH CRAP, OH MAN, WE REALLY SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT FURTHER NORTH BECAUSE NOW THIS IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, RIGHT? I THINK YOU NEED TO SEE IT COHESIVELY, AND THEN YOU HAVE A MASTER PLAN THAT SAYS EVENTUALLY THIS IS HOW WE WANT ALL THE STREETS TO GO. AND THEN WE START DOING IT ON A PHASE APPROACH AND SAY WE ARE JUST GOING TO DO EAST STREET THIS YEAR. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S GOING TO GET CHANGED THIS YEAR. WE ARE GOING TO RESTRIPING AND DO THAT AND MAYBE SIX MONTH LATER YOU FOCUS ON YOUR NEXT ONE. BUT YOU ALREADY HAVE THE PLAN. YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO REDRAW THE PLAN AND FIGURE OUT OKAY, WHICH WAY SHOULD WE HAVE THE STREET GO? YOU'VE ALREADY DECIDED THAT. THE IMPLEMENTATION THEN IS THERE

IS WHERE YOU FACE IT, I THINK. >> BUT I THINK LOOKING AT THE AREA THAT YOU WANT TO CHANGE, THAT IS WHAT STARTS TO INFORM THE PLAN. IF YOU CONTINUE TO PLAN IT OUT, THE BUSINESS OWNERS CONTINUE TO SUFFER VERSUS IF WE START MAKING SMALL CHANGES HERE AND THERE TO DIFFERENT STREETS, THAT IS WHAT WILL BEEN INFORMED THAT LARGER PLAN THAT IS BEING DISCUSSED.

>> I WOULD SAY THE MINIMUM DEMARCATION NEEDS TO BE UP TO LIVE OAK FROM 79TH. IF IT ALSO MAKES SENSE TO GO NORTH FROM THAT, SO BE IT, BUT AT A MINIMUM NEEDS TO GO TO LIVE OAK.

>> OKAY , SO -- >> OH, DARN IT! GO AHEAD, DAN.

>> I WILL JUST SAY I KIND OF AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER CLARK.

NONE OF US ARE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS. THE CLOSEST TO A TRAFFIC ENGINEER WE HAVE IS MATT, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT HOW MUCH SPECIALTY HE'S GOT AN TRAFFIC, BUT HE HAS AWARENESS OF

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IT OBVIOUSLY. WHAT YOU THINK IS COMMON SENSE AND WHAT TRAFFIC ENGINEERING TELLS YOU IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS NOT ALWAYS THE SAME THING. RATHER THAN TRYING TO LIMIT TO WE ONLY WANT ONE STREET, WE NEED STAFF TO COME BACK AND TELL US WHAT THEY THINK IS A SENSIBLE WAY TO BREAK THIS UP INTO STEPS THAT WE CAN EXECUTE THAT WILL NOT CAUSE UNNEEDED CHAOS, AND THEN WE CAN JUDGE THAT AND CHANGE THAT AND ADJUST THAT BECAUSE WE ALWAYS DO. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GET SOME OF THOSE ANSWERS FROM STAFF BEFORE WE DECIDE WELL, IT'S ONLY GOING TO MAKE SENSE TO DO ONE BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THE PUBLIC CAN HANDLE BECAUSE THAT MIGHT NOT WORK TRAFFIC WISE. LET'S LET THEM DO THE WORK AND THEN WE CAN DEBATE IT ONCE THEY HAVE DONE THE WORK.

>> OKAY. NOW THAT THERE IS A PAUSE. FOR THE RECORD, JAMES CLARK, CITY MANAGER. I WANT TO ASK THE COUNCIL TO MAYBE FOCUS ON THE DIRECTION , BECAUSE I'VE HEARD COMPETING THINGS . IF YOU WANT TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW , THAT IS LIKELY TO GIVE YOU ONE TYPE OF RESPONSE FROM STAFF. IF YOU WANT TO INCREASE PARKING, THAT IS LIABLE TO GIVE YOU A DIFFERENT RESPONSE FROM STAFF.

IF YOU WANT TO INCREASE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, THAT IS PROBABLY EVEN A DIFFERENT RESPONSE FROM STAFF. NOT THAT EVERYONE HERE WOULD DOUBT THAT I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE AERIAL OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA WE ARE DISCUSSING, EVERYTHING IS ALREADY ANGLED PARKING. EXCEPT FOR THE SMALL STRETCH THAT IS BETWEEN THE HAIR STUDIO AND THE CHAMBER. SO, YOU MIGHT GAIN FOUR SPOTS BY MAKING THAT ONE WAY AND YOU ARE GOING TO NEED ADDITIONAL RIGHT-OF-WAY PROBABLY TO DO IT, BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PARKING PROBLEM I WOULDN'T THINK I MIGHT JUST THAT ONE AREA, BECAUSE EVERY THING ELSE IS ALREADY ANGLED PARKING. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A WHOLE LOT OF ADDITIONAL PARKING BY GOING ONE WAY, I WOULD SAY.

>> THIS IS WHERE IT COMES. I'M LOOKING FOR YOU GUYS TO DO ALL

THREE. >> THAT'S FINE IF THAT'S WHAT

YOU WANT. >> SOME OF THE ROADS ARE BARELY WIDE ENOUGH FOR TWO WAY. YOU CAN HAVE A STATIONARY SIDE AND AND MAYBE EIGHT PARKS TO A BLOCK AND IT GOES ONE WAY, THEN YOU NEED TO HAVE A PLAN OF HOW YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. SO PARKING, PUSH MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH, OBVIOUSLY NOT IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. THAT IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DEBATING FOR SO LONG. THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO COME BACK WITH. THEN WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE COSTS ARE GOING TO BE AND OKAY, YOU DON'T PICK UP MUCH ON EAST STREET, BUT IT'S A START. I DON'T THINK YOU NEED RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE YOU ARE NARROWING THE ROAD THAT IS WIDER THAN IT IS NORTH OF THERE. I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER BUT I CAN SEE FARLEY STAYING TWO WAY AND LIVE OAK STAYING TWO WAY. LIKE THIS HUTTO STREET NEED TO BE TWO WAY? MY GUESS IS IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE.

DOES METCALF HAVE TO BE TWO WAY? HOW DOES ALL THAT LOOK TO MAKE THE TRAFFIC FLOW OUT BETTER? FROM THERE, WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE FROM LIKABILITY? PARKING WHEN WE HAVE EVENTS AND OTHER THINGS. PERSONALLY THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. FOR YOU TO BRING THAT BACK AND FOR US TO GO THAT'S CRAZY, WE CAN SEE THAT WORKING. WHAT I ANTICIPATE THIS MOTION DOING IS YOU BRINGING THAT FORWARD, THEN AT THE NEXT MEETING MAYBE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT AND DECIDING WHICH ROADS TO AN ACT NOW, WHEN WE ARE GOING TO DO IT THIS ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION. YOU MAY SAY DO IT ALL AT ONCE, YOU MAY SAY PHASE IT OVER SIX YEARS. WHATEVER YOU MAY RECOMMEND, WE WILL LOOK AT IT AND DISCUSS BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING BECAUSE FOR SIX YEARS I'VE BEEN UP HERE TALKING ABOUT PARKING IN OLD TOWN. BUSINESSES CLOSING AT THIS POINT.

>> I DON'T VIEW THAT AS BEING MEAN. I VIEW THAT AS BEING CLEAR JUST BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE DIFFERENT COUNCILMEMBERS WERE PRIORITIZING DIFFERENT MACHINES, AND I WOULD MAKE SURE WHATEVER WE PREPARE IS WHAT THE COUNCIL IS WANTING US TO PREPARE.

>> WE WANT OUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO AND WE DON'T WANT IT TO

COST ANYTHING. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> THE LAST PART, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN DO THAT. I'VE TOLD EVERY CLIENT I'VE EVER HAD IN MY ENGINEERING CAREER, I CAN DESIGN ANYTHING YOU WANT. IT'S JUST MONEY. AS LONG AS YOU GUYS ARE WRITING THE CHECK, I CAN DESIGN WHATEVER YOU WANT.

>> MAYBE IF YOU ARE NOT READY BY THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY, A.B.

BRING WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE SAYING TO THIS POINT. WE ARE GOING TO REFINE IT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE. AT LEAST WE ARE SEEING PROGRESS TO WHERE WE CAN SAY TO

PEOPLE HEY, YOU KNOW, -- >> ALL RIGHT, PLEASE CALL THE

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VOTE. >> CAN YOU READ THE MOTION

AGAIN? >> JUST HAVE STAFF COME BY MAY 1 WITH A PLAN ON THE STREET DIRECTIONS.

>> SO IT IS FOCUSING ON ONE-WAY STREETS?

>> I THINK MATT SAID HE NEEDED A MONTH TO DO IT. I GUESS WE ARE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH, SORRY.

>> BUT IT'S REALLY FOCUSED ON THE STREET DIRECTION? WITHIN

THAT SPECIFIC AREA. >> I DON'T THINK WE ARE TAKING

IT THAT WAY. >> I WAS JUST CLARIFYING.

>> WAS THERE A SECOND? >> THAT WAS ME.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? MAYOR GORDON? COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD ? MAYOR SNYDER?

>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. THANK YOU. IF YOU HANG AROUND, WE WILL

[10.1. Conduct a public hearing and consider approval of Ordinance No. O-2025-014 for 625 Schneider Boulevard from Single-Family (SF-1) to Light Industrial (LI) for an approximate 6.91 acres site, more or less, of land, generally located south of Schneider Boulevard and east of Innovation Boulevard. (Ashley Bailey)]

START FIGHTING OR SOMETHING HERE IN A MINUTE TO MAKE IT WORTH YOUR TIME. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 10 POINT ONE, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER O-2025-014 FOR 625 SCHNEIDER BLVD. FROM SINGLE-FAMILY TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL FOR AN APPROXIMATE SIX-POINT AND 1 ACRE SITE, MORE OR LESS, OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTH OF SCHNEIDER BOULEVARD AND EAST OF INNOVATION BOULEVARD.

>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL, FOR THE RECORD, ASHLEY DALEY. THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS JUST UNDER 7 ACRES.

IT IS ON SCHNEIDER BOULEVARD, IT'S BETWEEN INNOVATION AND ALLIANCE. IS MY CLICKER GOING TO WORK? WE DID. THERE YOU GO. THE PROPOSED ZONING IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAPS. THIS IS PRETTY MUCH A HOLDOVER FROM AN OLD PROCESS WE USED TO DO THAT WHEN WE WOULD ANNEX SOMETHING, EVEN VOLUNTARILY, WE WOULD AUTOMATICALLY ZONE IT SF ONE.

THIS HAS BEEN ZONED SF-1 FOR YEARS. THIS COMPLIES WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER AND IT ALLOWS FOR THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE. YOU CAN SEE HERE, NORTH-SOUTH IS ALL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO THE FURTHER CORNERS, LET ME GET BACK TO THIS OTHER MAP. YOU CAN SEE THE YELLOW ON THERE IS STILL SINGLE-FAMILY BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR AS TO NOT SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE. STILL SOME OF THE OLD OVER. WITH THAT, THIS COMPLIES WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THE REQUEST.

HERE YOU CAN SEE THE AERIAL HERE, YOU CAN SEE EVEN TO THE EAST THAT IS NOT SINGLE-FAMILY OMA EVEN TO THE WEST THAT IS NOT SINGLE-FAMILY. TO THE SOUTH IS ACTUALLY SOME ENVIRONMENT THAT HAS SINCE BEEN REZONED. YOU CAN SEE HERE WHERE THE R NUMBER IS, THAT IS ALL PART OF THAT PROPERTY.

>> SO AGAIN, IT WAS ANNEXED BACK IN 2012, THAT WAS THE PRACTICE, ZONED SINGLE-FAMILY EVEN IF IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE. SO, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IS THIS MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. I CAN CERTAINLY GO THROUGH THESE LINE BY LINE IF YOU WANT ME TO.

ESSENTIALLY IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE WERE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE UDC. IS NOT ONLY TO CONFIRM ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO THE GROUP, EVERYTHING IN THERE IS STILL DESIGNATED AS AN IMPLEMENT CENTER WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN THE LARGER AREA. SO WITH THAT IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING, IT IS A LEGAL BUILDING LOT , PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL BUT WE DO NEED TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE NOTICES WE SENT OUT.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:25 9:20 5 PM. IF ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHICH IS TO COME UP AND SPEAK REGARDING THIS. RESUME. SEEING NO ONE. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:25 WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:20 5 PM.

WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

>> MIRA WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE O-2025-014 AS

PRESENTED. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HE RICK KNABB. PLEASE CALL THE

VOTE. >> MAYOR SNYDER? COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD? COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? MAYOR GORDON? COUNCILMEMBER CLARK?

COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? >> THE MOTION PASSES 7-0. NEXT,

[11. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ]

WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, ITEMS 11.1 THROUGH 11.5. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS WE WISH TO HAVE PULLED? OTHERWISE I WILL

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ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE

11.1 THROUGH 11.5 AS PRESENTED. >> SECOND.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? I SEE NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? MAYOR SNYDER? COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD? COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR?

[12.1. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-084 repealing Resolution No. R-14-06-19-8A1 amending the City of Hutto Hotel Occupancy Tax Use Policy dated June 19, 2014, and adopting the City of Hutto Hotel Occupancy Tax (HOT) Funds Use policy dated April 3, 2025. (Cheney Gamboa) ]

>> THE MOTION PASSES 7-0. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 12 POINT ONE.

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R-2025-084 REPEALING RESOLUTION NUMBER SF-1 TO AMENDING THE CITY OF HUTTO HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX USE POLICY DATED JUNE 19, 2024 AND ADOPTING THE CITY OF HUTTO HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX FUNDS USE POLICY

DATED APRIL 3, 2025. >> WHAT YOU HAVE TONIGHT FOR CONSIDERATION IS A VERY COMPLETE AND ROBUST AND CONCISE POLICY WITH ALL OF THE ACCOMPANYING DOCUMENTS INCLUDING AN APPLICATION FORM, A POST PROJECT REPORTING FORM THAT HELPS OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT MAINTAIN THEIR COMPLAINTS WITH THEIR REPORTING RECOMMENDS FOR HOT FUNDS USE, AS WELL AS RETIREMENT -- SORRY I'M OUT OF BREATH, WAS RUNNING BACK FROM THE RESTROOM.

WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR TONIGHT IS APPROVAL OF ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS IN THE POLICY AS WELL AS THE APPOINTMENT OF THE TWO COUNCIL APPOINTEES TO SERVE ON THE INTERNAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, THE IRC AS DESCRIBED IN THE POLICY.

>> QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?

>> MY QUESTION IS GOING TO BE AROUND THE INTERNAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. SO, I ASKED THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER IN MY ONE-ON-ONE THIS WEEK AND HE SAID IT'S THREE STAFF MEMBERS, IS THAT RIGHT? TRYING TO REMEMBER WHO IT WAS.

>> IT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED TO BE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, AND CITY MANAGER OFFICE

DESIGNEE. >> THE TWO COUNCIL APPOINTEES, WERE YOU EXPECTING THAT TO BE COUNCILMEMBERS OR JUST MEMBERS

OF THE PUBLIC WE ARE NOMINATING? >> I THINK THE INTENT WOULD BE THAT IT WOULD BE NEITHER COUNCILMEMBERS OR MEMBERS OF OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH HOT TYPE PROJECTS. IT WOULD BE VALUABLE TO HAVE SOME FAMILIARITY WITH THAT. PERHAPS A MOVIE FROM THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD , PLANNING AND ZONING MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE. SOME OF THE PROJECTS WE WILL SEE MIGHT BE FACILITIES, MIGHT BE EVENT VENUES, MIGHT BE JUST DEFENSE IN GENERAL, SO ANY DEPARTMENT COMMISSION THAT WOULD HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THOSE TYPES OF

PROJECTS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. >> DID YOU SAY YOU ARE NEEDING US TO APPOINT THOSE PEOPLE TONIGHT?

>> IF YOU CAN, YEAH, WE HAVE A PROPOSED TIMELINE SO YOU GUYS ARE ABLE TO APPROVE APPLICATIONS FOR HOT FUNDS, BECAUSE SOME OF THE DIRECTION COUNCIL GAVE IS YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SPENDING MONEY YOU DON'T HAVE, SO WE ARE GOING OFF OF FINITE NUMBERS, SO WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THAT ALIGN WITH BUDGET CYCLES SO THAT CAN ALL BECOME PART OF THE PROCESS SIMILAR TO OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING. JU TH'S ALL. JUST KIND OF TRYING TO MATCH THE TIMELINE SO THAT IT FITS IN WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS.

>> SO, I'M THINKING THERE'S MORE WORK TO BE DONE IN THIS BECAUSE ELIGIBILITY, ANY ORGANIZATION NONPROFIT OR ENTITY MAY APPLY FOR FUNDING. EVERYBODY CAN APPLY, RIGHT? WHO COULDN'T

APPLY ? >> AS AN INDIVIDUAL, YOU WOULDN'T BE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY.

>> RIGHT. AND SO -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOT TO BE ANY ENTITY, BECAUSE WHEN I READ THROUGH IT, THEN YOU'VE GOT TO BE LOCATED AT CITIES CORPORATE LIMITS, E TJ, OR SUFFICIENTLY CLOSE PROXIMITY AS TO RECENTLY ATTRACT TOURISTS INTO THE CITY.

>> SOME OF THIS IS STATE LANGUAGE SO I WILL DEFER ON

THIS. >> IS THAT STATE OR IS THAT US? IT SAYS THE APPLICANT MUST BE LOCATED IN THE CITIES CORPORATE LIMITS, E TJ, OR INSUFFICIENTLY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO ATTRACT

TOURISTS TO THE CITY. >> I THINK THAT THE FUNDS ARE TO

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BE USED IN THE CITY LIMITS IN THE ETJ IF YOU HAVE HOTELS IN THE ETJ. THERE'S OTHER THINGS TO LOOK AT IF IT'S IN THE ETJ, AND I THINK THAT WOULD THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS.

>> ON THAT I WOULD SAY IT JUST HAS TO BE -- TO ATTRACT TOURISTS. PERSONALLY, I'M NOT REAL GOOD ABOUT US PICKING PEOPLE BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE A REALLY BAD HABIT OF PICKING PEOPLE THAT THEY WANT WHAT IS BEST FOR HUTTO, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN IT AND PUT IT INTO WORDS, BUT WE TEND TO TAKE PEOPLE WHO I FEEL LIKE WE OWE A FAVOR OR WE ARE FRIENDS WITH JORGE, YOU'RE A BIG SUPPORTER, SO I WOULD RATHER SEE THIS BE COMPLETELY STAFF RECOMMENDING AND A PERCENTAGE OF WHATEVER WE BUDGET EACH YEAR OF HOT FUNDS TO GO TO THINGS. WE WANT SOME KIND OF LIMIT. WE HAVE LIKE $1 MILLION NOW. I DON'T WANT ALL OF US AND EVERYBODY GOING WE HAVE AN IDEA FOR 50 GRAND, I HAVE ONE FOR 100, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT FINDING ALREADY AND ITS PEOPLE CONNECTED TO PEOPLE, AND THAT'S WITH LIKE BUSINESS AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE JOBS COME BACK. IF WE START SAYING I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU $55,000, THE WAY I SEE US PICKING PEOPLE, WE ARE GIVING OUT MONEY , AND THE OTHER PROBLEM I HAVE IS IF IT IS US AND STAFF, THERE'S GOING TO BE A PRESSURE ON STAFF. WE MAY NOT SAY THAT RIGHT OUT FRONT, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE A PRESSURE ON STAFF WHERE THAT IS ONE OF THE MAYORS PICS. IF WE DON'T DO THIS AND WE END UP, HE'S GOING TO BE MAD OR SHE'S GOING TO BE MAD, AND TO ME THAT'S THE THINGS I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET US OUT OF.

>> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, MAYOR. HE NEEDS TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER. EITHER A SUBGROUP OF COUNCIL THAT IS RECOMMENDING TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, OR A GROUP OF STAFF THAT IS

RECOMMENDING UP TO COUNCIL. >> WE ARE SO DIVIDED AS A CITY THAT LITERALLY A PERSON APPLIES FOR A BOARD OF COMMISSION AND THEY GET GRILLED ON WHO THEY SUPPORT. DARN NEAR WHO ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS YEAR? IS THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING FOR A PERSON WHO'S GOING TO SERVE ON THE PARKS PORT OR LIBRARY BOARD, IMAGINE WHEN WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO DOLE OUT $100,000. I WOULD RATHER HAVE PEOPLE THAT POTENTIALLY LIVE HERE, BUT HONESTLY COULD CARE LESS IF IT GOT APPROVED OR NOT, ARE RECOMMENDED. WE HAVE CRITERIA. HERE'S WHAT WE CALL ARE GOING FOR. WE DON'T THINK THEY MEET. WE CAN ALWAYS OVERRIDE STAFF.

JUST LIKE WE DO ON THE CHARITABLE THING, BUT THAT'S MY BIGGEST THING ON THIS. I'D BE HAPPY TO VOTE AGAINST ON IT.

>> WE ARE HAPPY TO MAKE ANY AMENDMENTS IF THAT WOULD BE A MOTION TO AMEND, OR JUST SIGN AS WELL. I DID WANT TO JUST MENTION ONE OF THE FEEDBACK ITEMS THAT WE TOOK FROM THE WORKSHOP WHEN THIS ORIGINALLY WAS PRESENTED WAS THE NEED TO KIND OF HAVE SOME SORT OF RESERVE FOR LARGER PROJECTS, SO THERE IS A 30% RESERVE IN THERE. I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. IT WAS ADJACENT TO WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. NOT APPROVING THESE BIG PROJECTS AND NOT HAVE ANYTHING LEFT . YOU DO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AS

WELL. >> YOU HAVE 30% OF OUR CURRENT

BALANCE? >> THE ANNUAL BALANCE.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE 30% OF OUR ANNUAL. NOT BALANCE.

>> COLLECTIONS. >> EVERY YEAR, WHATEVER THE TOTAL IS, 30% OF THAT WILL GO INTO IT.

>> ROUND ROCK REBUILT THEIR BASEBALL STADIUM WITH HOT FUNDS.

LET'S HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF EVENTS, OR YOU CAN SAY YOU KNOW WHAT, WE CAN SAVE UP AND DO BIG-TICKET ITEMS LIKE I DON'T KNOW, WHAT YOU CALL IT, LIKE A CONVENTION CENTER. THAT'S A BIG

ONE THAT COULD BE DONE, BUT . >> ONE QUESTION I HAD IS I SEE THE 7%. WE ALSO DISCUSSED IN A WORK SESSION WE CAN DO TO PERCENT TOWARDS AN EVENT CENTER, SO LIKE FOR EXAMPLE THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAS 9% FOR THE CITY BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE 7% PLUS THE 2%. I DON'T SEE THE 2% BEING ADDED. AT THAT WE GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF WE WANTED TO GO INTO THAT AND THAT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE POLICY BECAUSE WE DO NEED A CONVENTION CENTER, WE NEED A COMMUNITY EVENT , AND WE COULD USE THAT TO PERCENT TO FUND THE BONDING OF THAT PROJECT, SO WE GAVE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO DO THAT, AND I DON'T SEE THAT IN HERE.

>> I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T RECALL THAT BEING DIRECTION, I THOUGHT

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THAT WAS PART OF THE DIRECTION OF HAVING MONEY SET ASIDE FOR LARGER PROJECTS LIKE THAT. I WOULD DEFER TO FINANCIAL OR

LEGAL ON THE PERCENTAGES. >> I WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH, BUT DON'T YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE 2% BY ELECTION TO IMPLEMENT THAT? YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PROJECT IN MIND.

>> I BELIEVE SO. >> AND THEN YOU HAVE AN ELECTION

AND THE PUBLIC PUTS THAT IN? >> ALSO UNDER THE PROMOTION OF THE ARTS, SOME CITIES DEDICATE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HOT FUNDS OR GENERAL REVENUE, BUT THEY DEDICATE A SET PERCENT EACH YEAR. I WOULD ALMOST LIKE TO SEE US DO THAT TOO WHERE WHETHER IT BE SAFE 5% OF OUR HOT FUNDS GOING TO ARTS, AND THAT'S IN A SEPARATE CATEGORY. WE MAY NOT SPEND IT ONE YEAR BECAUSE WE ARE DOING SOMETHING BIGGER. THE FOLLOWING YEAR. BUT IT'S LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT WE NEED TO START BLOCKING OFF TO WHERE PEOPLE CAN START PLANNING AN ART GARDEN, AN ART FAIR OF SOME SORT, AN ART PARK. WE KIND OF DO THESE ONE BIG-TIME THINGS , THE PROBLEM I THINK WAS 30% IS 10% OF 30% IS NOT MUCH, AND THEN IT'S COMPETING BUT IF WE DEDICATE AND SAY WE ARE GOING TO SUPPORT THE ARTS PROGRAM GOING FORWARD, IT MAY NOT BE ENOUGH THIS YEAR BUT THEN PEOPLE CAN PLAN FOR NEXT YEAR FOR THERE TO BE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO WHATEVER IT IS. SOMETHING LIKE THAT I TAKEN ALL OF OUR COMMENTS. ANYBODY WHO'S REALLY STRONG.

MAY WE BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING. BASED ON OTHER

PEOPLE'S INPUT. >> IN THE CURRENT POLICY THAT IS PROPOSED, THERE'S A PORTION ON THERE , SECTION B, PROMOTION OF THE ARTS AND IT SAYS NO MORE THAN 15%. I BELIEVE THAT IS A STATE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU CANNOT SPEND MORE THAN 15% IN PROMOTION OF THE ARTS. AM I HEARING YOU SAY YOU PREFER WE HAVE A FIRM , NOT A NO MORE THAN, BUT WE ARE GOING TO SPEND

AT EAST X AMOUNT? >> FOR ME YEAH, BECAUSE IF YOU SAY UP TO THIS YEAR IS 1%, POTENTIAL THINGS WE CAN DO NEXT YEAR. IF YOU SAY WE ARE GOING TO DEDICATE, THE HUTTO CITY HAS BECOME SOPHISTICATED ENOUGH, WE ARE GOING TO ALLOCATE A PERCENTAGE OF OUR HOT FUNDS TO THE ARTS, THEY CAN COLLABORATE AND COME UP WITH -- WE HAVE LIKE SCULPTURE GARDENS IN GEORGETOWN.

THEY DO OUR WORK IN PUBLIC SPACES. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN PLAN TO DO THAT IF EVERY YEAR AT THE WHIM OF THE COUNCIL IT IS OH, I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE 10%. THIS YEAR WE ARE DOING 2%. FOR ME, I DON'T KNOW IF THE PERCENTAGE IS RIGHT AT FIVE. I'M GOING OFF MAYBE $3000 A YEAR IN HOT FUNDS UNTIL THE THIRD ONE OPENS , BUT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. GO THROUGH AND DIVIDED UP TO WHERE YOU SAY WE ARE GOING TO DO 30%, BUT A PERCENT GOES TO THIS AND A PERCENT IS GOING TO THIS AND THEN WE COULD BE MORE CULTURED.

>> SO, LET ME ASK IT THIS WAY. IT SAYS UP TO NO MORE THAN 15% OF HOT FUNDS CAN BE SPENT FOR THE PROMOTION OF THE ARTS.

LET'S SAY WE SET ASIDE 15% ONE YEAR AND WE DECIDE WE'VE GOT A REALLY BIG THING WE WANT TO DO. WE WANT TO SAVE UP. WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING IN FIVE YEARS. WE ARE GOING TO SET ASIDE 15% EVERY YEAR. IN THE FIFTH YEAR YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND IT ALL ON A BIG PROJECT OR A BIG FACILITY. CAN YOU DO THAT? OR DOES IT HAVE

TO BE SPENT WITHIN A YEAR? >> I THINK IT'S RESTRICTED TO 15% PER YEAR, AND THE STATUTE DOESN'T ALLOW YOU , IF YOU DID NOT USE IT ONE YEAR TO ADD IT TO THE NEXT YEAR. IT IS A HARD 15.

>> I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA. LET'S PUT IT TOWARD THE ARTS EVERY YEAR AND MAYBE WE HAVE SOMETHING BIG, BUT IF WE

CAN'T DO THAT -- >> WE CAN STILL DO THAT. YOU HAVE TO SPEND IT EVERY YEAR. IF WE SAY WE WANT TO BUY A HALF ACRE PIECE OF LAND TO DO A SCULPTURE GARDEN AND WE JUST WORK WITH THE LANDOWNER, WE SAY WE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU WHATEVER THE MONEY IS, 15%. WE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU $40,000 A YEAR FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS TOWARDS THAT.

>> I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. >> AND THEN WE CAN PAY IT OUT EACH YEAR BUT IT'S LIKE A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT AND YOU WORK THE

DEAL TO WHERE -- >> IT'S LIKE WHAT WE DO WITH

THE COLLEGE. >> WE CAN LITERALLY GO. THERE'S A HUGE GROUP OF ART PEOPLE. THEY ARE SPRAY PAINTING STUFF. THERE IS A GUY, I WON'T SAY HIS NAME, HE MIGHT HAVE THE RECORD, BUT HE'S REALLY GOOD AT GRAFFITI ART. WATCHING HIM PAINT THAT, YOU ARE JUST AMAZED. TO KNOW THAT THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE DOING IT , AND HE USED DO GRAFFITI ON TRAINS AND BUILDINGS AND NOW HE DOES IT AS A SOURCE OF INCOME , THERE IS SOME OTHER KID OUT THERE THAT CAN MAYBE DECIDE MAYBE PAINTING ON STOP SIGNS IS NOT A GOOD THING MAYBE BECAUSE OF HUTTO WHATEVER WE CALL IT

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PROGRAM HELPED HIM OR SOMEONE PLAYING MUSIC.

>> THIS BEING THE FIRST YEAR WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A FORMAL POLICY THAT WOULD BE PROMOTED , IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO JUST LET IT RIDE AND SEE WHAT TYPE OF APPLICATIONS WE GET TOO BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO TELL US WHAT THE NEEDS ARE AND ALSO WHAT THE AMOUNTS REQUESTED ARE. MY CAUTION WITH ENTERING INTO A LONG-TERM DEAL IS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR TAXES GOING TO BE EVERY YEAR. WE ANTICIPATE IT TO GO UP EVERY YEAR WITH THE ADDITION OF THE HOTELS BUT AGAIN IF YOU LOCK YOURSELF INTO SOMETHING WHERE YOU ARE PAYING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OVER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME,

IT MAY EXCEED 15%. >> I THINK THAT'S A DECISION WHEN THE TIME COMES WHERE IS OUR 15% IS 20,000, WE ARE WANTING TO SPEND $20,000 A YEAR, IT WOULD BE SMART FOR THE STAFF TO SAY NO, NOT GOING TO DO THAT. HOT TAX IS NOT NEW. WE'VE BEEN THROUGH EVERYTHING. YOU HAVE A THIRD ONE IN CONSTRUCTION, A FOURTH ONE COMING, A FIFTH ONE THAT'S WORKING, BUT AGAIN COUNCIL MAY JUST LET IT RIDE. I DON'T LIKE LETTING IT RIDE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUR PROBLEM IS AS A CITY KIND OF HONESTLY.

LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS. IN THE NEXT YEAR WE GO WELL, LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS ONE MORE YEAR. AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO START SAYING WE NEED TO BE DILIGENT AT CERTAIN THINGS, AND BUT --

>> CHENEY, OR ANY BUSINESS OWNERS OR ANY OF OUR RETAIL PARTNERS, WHERE THEY CONSULTED IN CREATING THIS NEW POLICY?

>> IT WAS MYSELF AND OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT, PARKS PROVIDED

INPUT, AND LEGAL. >> OKAY, DO YOU FEEL YOU BEING THE ECONOMIC DIRECTOR, YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANY BENEFIT TO GETTING SOME OF THOSE FOLKS SINCE THEY ARE LOOKING AT TOURISM EFFECTS AND ANY OPPORTUNITIES THAT THEY WOULD BRING IN AS FAR AS LIKE EVENTS , DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK, OR IS THAT SOMETHING WORSE THERE'S

TOO MANY COOKS IN THE KITCHEN? >> I DON'T KNOW IT WOULD ADD MUCH VALUE FOR THE TIME INVESTMENT THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GATHER THAT FEEDBACK IN A CONSTRUCTIVE WAY, BUT I THINK WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME INTEREST. I KNOW I'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM SOME PEOPLE SINCE THIS ITEM HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP AT A WORKSHOP AND NOW COMING TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. I'M ANTICIPATING SOME APPLICATION FOR SOME THINGS. I THINK THEY ARE JUST EAGER TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN APPLY FOR AND EXPLORE

THE OPPORTUNITY. >> ONCE WE IMPLEMENT THIS THERE WOULD BE A TRANSITION PERIOD, CORRECT? JUST TO GET EVERYTHING

UP AND GOING? >> THE PROPOSED DOCUMENTS ARE FINAL. THEY ARE IN FINAL FORM FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. WHEN COUNCIL APPROVES, IT WOULD IMPLEMENT IMMEDIATELY.

>> WE COULD PUT IN SOME SORT OF IMPLEMENTATION

>> WE WILL DEFINITELY START COMMUNICATION. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? WE WILL ACTUALLY BE PUTTING IT ON THE WEBSITE, PUTTING IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, PUTTING IT ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE OBVIOUSLY TO ACCESS THE FORMS, ET CETERA.

>> OKAY, PERFECT. >> DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW COLLECTIONS HAVE GROWN OVER THE PAST LIKE, SAY, FOUR YEARS? WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAR BACK BECAUSE COVID WAS A THING , AND NOT TOO MANY COLLECTIONS THERE. DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF PICTURE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF HAVE SOME

EXPECTATION? >> I WOULD ASK MISS ALBERTA TO WEIGH IN ON THAT, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR. THAT IS HER AREA OF

EXPERTISE. SORRY, ALBERTA. >> GOOD EVENING, ALBERTA BARRETT, FINANCE DIRECTOR FOR THE RECORD. SO YES, OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS , BACK IN '20 WE HAD A TOTAL OF ABOUT $144,000 AS TAX REVENUES AND WE'VE GROWN TO THIS LAST YEAR OF A LITTLE OVER $323,000, SO THERE FOR A COUPLE YEARS WE WERE AT ABOUT A 40% INCREASE A YEAR. THIS PAST YEAR WAS ABOUT 7%, SO WE'LL SEE SOME OF THOSE PROBABLY INCREASE WITH THE ADDITION OF ANOTHER HOTEL .

YOU KNOW, I WOULD CAUTION AS TO WHAT THAT WOULD BE BECAUSE YOU ARE PROBABLY GOING TO GET SOME MOVING FROM YOUR CURRENT HOTELS

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. YOU WILL HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL ONES, BUT WE WILL MONITOR THAT

AND SEE. >> THANK YOU.

>> WE WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS AS PRESENTED WITH THE CHANGE THAT 5% OF THE 30 GOES TO THE ARTS PROGRAM, AND THAT IT'S ALL STAFF OR THE RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE CITY

COUNCIL. >> I WILL SECOND THAT. JUST TO CLARIFY, YOUR INTENT IS TO JUST DROP THE COUNCIL AND LEAVE IT WITH THE THREE STAFF, RIGHT? OKAY.

>> CLARK WAS THE SECOND ON THAT. >> OKAY, SORRY.

>> WOULD STAFF FOR HER TO HAVE FIVE? DO YOU WANT HIM TO EXPEND IT? I DIDN'T SEE ANYWHERE IN THIS POLICY THAT IT ACTUALLY DEFINED WHAT THE IRC WAS OR WHO WAS ON IT, SO I DID NOT SEE IT IN THE DOCUMENT. MAYBE I JUST MISSED IT.

>> IT DOES HAVE SOME DETAIL AS TO WHAT THE IRC IS. THEIR ROLE IS TO REVIEW THE APPLICATIONS, THE INTERNAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.

>> BUT HE DIDN'T SAY WHO WAS ON IT, WHO COMPOSED IT?

>> I BELIEVE THAT IS IN THERE AS WELL. IT HAS THE TWO CITY COUNCIL APPOINTEES, THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, AND THE STATE

MANAGER . >> WHERE IS THAT?

>> I WOULD SAY IF YOU GUYS WANTED 18 PEOPLE , THREE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT THEIR NAME DOWN AS RECOMMENDING.

>> WE WILL HAVE THREE, AND EACH OF THEM WILL HAVE THREE THAT ARE

ADVISING THEM. >> I LIKE THAT.

>> ARE WE KIDDING? >> SORRY, I WAS TRYING TO FIND WHAT HE WAS ASKING ABOUT SO I ONLY HEARD HALF OF THAT.

>> PUT THE PARKS DIRECTOR ON THERE AS WELL.

>> THAT'S WHERE I SAY I CAN'T SPELL IT, BUT I KNOW IT, AND YEAH.

>> DID YOU HEAR THAT? >> YEAH.

>> IT'S UNDER THE APPLICATION FORM. GOT YOU.

>> EXCUSE ME, I MISSPOKE THAT. IT'S NOT IN THE POLICY FORM, IT'S IN THE APPLICATION. SO, DID WE WANT TO ADD --

>> I WILL SAY IRC WILL CONSIST OF AT LEAST THREE CITY STAFF AND

HAVE THOSE THREE THAT ARE NAMED. >> THIS IS LIKE A DIRECTION TO

BRING IT BACK AND IMPROVE IT. >> THE MOTION WAS TO APPROVE.

>> WE CAN APPROVE. I JUST CAN'T SIGN IT TONIGHT.

>> UNDERSTOOD. SORRY. >> THE CHANGE I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO THE MOTION WOULD BE THE IRC WILL CONSIST OF AT LEAST THREE CITY STAFF, YOU HAVE THE THREE NAMED, AND STRIKE THE TWO MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL'S CHOOSING. THAT ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE THE PARKS DIRECTOR JOIN OR WHATEVER.

>> DO YOU WANT TO PUT A LIMIT, LIKE UP TO FIVE MEMBERS OR

ANYTHING LIKE THAT? >> I THINK STAFF CAN FIGURE OUT

WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. >> NO MORE THAN THE CURRENT FTE

OF THE CITY. >> DULY NOTED.

>> DOES THAT UPDATE EACH YEAR ?

>> THE INDEX FOR INFLATION OF FTES. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> IT WAS 5% ARTS, TOO? >> TO BE CLEAR, MAYOR, YOUR 5% IS OF THE 30% RESTRICTED RESERVE, NOT THE OTHER

ALLOCATION? OKAY. >> PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? MAYOR SNYDER? COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? COUNCILMEMBER CLARK?

COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD? >> THE MOTION PASSES 7-0. THANK

[13.2. Consideration and possible action regarding prior direction to staff to investigate the City's role in maintenance of detention ponds. (Matt Rector) ]

YOU, MA'AM. GOOD JOB ON THAT. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 13.2, CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING PRIOR DIRECTION TO STAFF TO INVESTIGATE THE CITY'S ROLE IN MAINTENANCE OF DETENTION PONDS.

PICKED A GOOD NIGHT SINCE WE WERE TALKING ATLAS 14.

>> I WOULD NOT SAY I PLANNED IT THAT WAY, BUT IN REALITY I DIDN'T, I HAD THIS ON A DIFFERENT MEETING AND IT GOT PUSHED TO THIS MEETING. MAYBE IT WAS JUST FORTUITOUS CIRCUMSTANCE. FOR THE RECORD, MAYOR COUNCIL, CITY ENGINEER MATT RECTOR. AS YOU ARE PROBABLY AWARE THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS EARLIER THIS YEAR WITH RINGO FARMS H AWAY PERTAINING TO

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ISSUES THEY FOUND WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT AS THEY TOOK OVER THE HOA FROM THE MAIN DEVELOPER. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP WAS TAKING OVER THE DETENTION POND AND THE ISSUES SURROUNDING THE DETENTION POND. SO, STAFF WAS DIRECTED TO START LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY OF TAKING OVER THE DETENTION POND OR WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE. SINCE IT IS FORTUITOUS WE HAVE THE DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN ON HERE I WILL POINT OUT THAT THERE ARE ABOUT 30 DETENTION PONDS IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW. MORE THAN HALF OF THAT IS PRIVATELY OWNED AND MAINTAINED. SO, BECAUSE OF THAT, STAFF WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT WE START TAKING OVER THESE PRIVATE PONDS. THAT'S A MORE IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION I THINK THAT COUNCIL WILL WANT TO HAVE BECAUSE THAT WOULD INVOLVE A LOT OF ADDITIONAL -- DEALING WITH STRUCTURES LIKE THE ONE WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. THAT IS A CITY DETENTION POND THAT WE NEED TO GO OUT AND FIX OUR OUTFALL STRUCTURE ON, SO FOR THAT REASON AND THAT REASON, NOT TO OPEN THE PROVERBIAL FLOODGATES, UNINTENDED, STAFF WAS THINKING THEY MAY NOT WANT TO JUST START TAKING OVER PONDS. HOWEVER, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, STAFF DID FIND -- PRIMARILY IT WAS ENGINEERING. INVOLVED IN ENVIRONMENTAL RIGATONI COMPLIANCE. IT WAS JUST KIND OF THIS PROBE INTO HOW WE ARE DEALING WITH THE STUFF RIGHT NOW. SO WHAT WE FOUND IS FOR ANY ISSUES WITH THE PONDS, IT'S PRIMARILY HANDLED THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT. GENERALLY THEY APPROACH IT LIKE SOMEONE WOULD ANYBODY IS. THEY COME UP AND SAY THERE'S TALLGRASS. THEY DID NOT VOLUNTARILY COMPLY. NOW WE ARE GOING TO SEND ANOTHER DEMAND LETTER. IT'S A VERY LENGTHY PROCESS. WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING IS THAT WE UPDATE SOME OF OUR ORDINANCES , SO I'VE GOT THE VERBIAGE UP THERE, I'M NOT GOING TO READ IT ALL TO YOU. THIS IS THE CURRENT CITY ORDINANCE THAT WE USE TO ENFORCE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP ON PROPERTIES IN GENERAL. THIS IS THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE FOR THE CITY, AND THEN IT REFERS TO THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY CODE WHICH I'VE ALSO GOT THAT LANGUAGE IN HERE FOR YOU IN CASE YOU WANTED IT. THE ISSUE IS IS THAT WE ALLOW PER HOUR CODES THE WAY THEY ARE CURRENTLY WRITTEN, WE ALLOW FOR GRASS TO GROW UP TO 9 INCHES BEFORE WE START DEALING WITH IT AT ALL. I KNOW YOU GUYS AREN'T ENGINEERS, BUT WHEN WE DESIGN DETENTION PONDS, WE DON'T DESIGN THEM FOR TALLGRASS. WE TYPICALLY DON'T DESIGN THEM FOR ANY TYPE OF VEGETATION TO BE GROWING WILD IN THERE. WHEN WE DESIGN THEM, WE DESIGN THEM WITH SPECIFIC RUNOFF COEFFICIENTS, WE DESIGN THEM WITH A VERY SPECIFIC GRADE IN MIND, WE DESIGN THEM WITH A VERY SPECIFIC SET OF CRITERIA FOR THEM TO FUNCTION THE WAY THEY ARE DESIGNED TO MITIGATE THE FLOOD IMPACTS THAT THEY ARE INTENDED TO SERVE. WHENEVER WE DON'T HAVE BEEN MAINTAINED PROPERLY, THEN THAT DESIGN DOESN'T DO US ANY GOOD. BECAUSE OF THE NINE ENGINES WHICH CAN THEN LEAD TO VARIOUS TYPES OF ANIMALS GETTING IN THERE, IT CAN LEAD TO DEBRIS GETTING IN THERE, THEN THAT CAN LEAD TO CLOGGING OF PIPES AND BLOCKING OF OUTFALLS WHICH CAN LEAD TO OTHER ISSUES, STRUCTURAL FAILURES, IT IS JUST A WHOLE CASCADE EFFECT.

WHAT WE WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT WE CONSIDER UPDATING OUR ORDINANCES AND IN MAY OF LAST YEAR, COUNCIL DID UPDATE OUR ORDINANCES FOR NEW DETENTION PONDS. IT DOES NOT DEAL WITH THE EXISTING ONES, BUT ANY PROJECT THAT COMES FORWARD NOW TO BE ACCEPTED BY THE CITY, COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU WILL HAVE A MAINTENANCE PLAN ON FILE WITH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AND IT WOULD BE PART OF YOUR PUBLIC PROPERTY RECORDS , AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THAT MAINTENANCE PLAN. WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING IS THAT RATHER THAN JUST SAYING YES WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER THESE PONDS THAT WE LOOK AT UPDATING OUR EXISTING

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PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODES, OUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ORDINANCES TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN SOMEBODY'S FRONT YARD OR SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD AND A DETENTION POND. THEY HAVE TWO VERY DIFFERENT PURPOSES. WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THEIR FRONT YARDS, IF THEY LET THEIR GRASS GET A LITTLE LONGER, IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL, BUT IF WE HAVE A MAJOR RAIN EVENT AND WE ARE LETTING THE DETENTION PONDS GET TO THAT SITUATION, IT CAN BE A VERY BIG DEAL. I'M NOT SAYING IT WILL BE, BUT IT COULD BE. SO, I DON'T THINK IN MY ENGINEERING JUDGMENT THEY ARE NOT APPLES TO APPLES. AND SO THAT IS KIND OF A VERY SHORTENED VERSION OF ALL OF THE QUESTIONS AND CONVERSATIONS THAT STAFF HAS HAD INTERNALLY AS WE WALK THROUGH THIS PROCESS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT DO WE WANT TO START TAKING OVER THESE PONDS? I THINK INITIALLY FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE I DON'T THINK COUNCIL WANTS TO DO THAT. I THINK TRYING TO COME UP WITH A BETTER WAY TO ENFORCE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ON THESE PONDS SO THAT WE COULD AVOID SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THE HOA IS POINTING OUT THEY INHERITED WOULD BE SOMETHING THE COUNCIL COULD DO FAIRLY QUICKLY AND EASILY TO START TRYING TO MITIGATE. IT DOES NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEMS OF THE PAST BUT AT LEAST FROM THIS POINT MOVING FORWARD WE CAN TRY TO AVOID THOSE. WITH THAT I WILL

ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> IF THERE IS A POND AND THEY HAVEN'T KEPT IT UP, AND SAY IT IS 10 YEARS OLD, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NO WAY GOING IN . LET'S SAY SLOWLY SEDIMENT BUILT UP AND IT'S OVER 20 YEARS IT IS 6 INCHES HIGHER THAN WHAT IT USED TO BE SO NOW IT DOESN'T RETAIN THE WATER IT IS SUPPOSED TO, DO WE HAVE ANY MECHANISM TO GET THEM TO PUT THAT BACK INTO THE

WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY PERMITTED? >> THE ONLY MECHANISM WE CURRENTLY HAVE AVAILABLE TO US IS HAVING CODE ENFORCEMENT GO OUT THERE AND GO THROUGH THIS LENGTHY PROCESS. IT'S PRETTY

MUCH JUST GOING TO BE -- >> BUT WHAT IF IT IS LIKE THE ONE THAT YOU SHOWED US THE PICTURE OF WHERE THE OUTFLOW IS ALL DAMAGED AND EVERY THING? KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THAT YOU CAN, AND YOU DID BECAUSE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE OWNED THAT OR WE WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.

IT FAILED. WE WERE NOTIFIED BY THE CITY THAT SAID YOU HAVE TO FIX THIS NOW. SO, WE DID AT A CONSIDERABLE COST TO THE HOA.

THAT HAPPENED SEVEN YEARS AGO? EIGHT YEARS AGO?

>> SO, WAS THAT BECAUSE OF SOME SORT OF FLOODING ISSUE ? THERE'S TWO THINGS, RIGHT? THERE IS PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES , AND THEN THERE ARE GENERAL PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES.

>> SO, HERE IS WHAT GENERATED IT. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FLOWS INTO WHERE DURANGO FARMS WAS GOING TO BE BUILT. THIS WAS PRE-DURANGO FARMS. WHEN THEY WERE DESIGNING ALL OF THEIR STUFF AND LAYING EVERYTHING OUT, THEY WERE LIKE THAT IS FLOWING INTO OUR PLACE.

THAT IS MESSED UP, THAT'S NOT RIGHT. THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE ISSUES FLOWING INTO OURS. I THINK THAT WAS THE IMPETUS FOR THE CITY TO GET INVOLVED AND SAY HEY, YOU OWN THIS AND NEED TO FIX IT. WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THIS IS I THINK IT'S GOOD TO NOTIFY THESE HOA THAT THEY OWN THESE, BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THEM DON'T KNOW. THEY HAVE NO CLUE THEY ARE RESPONSIBLY MAINTAINING THESE. NOTIFICATION THAT GOES OUT THAT SAYS THIS IS YEARS AND YOU MAY NOT REALIZE IT, BUT YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN THIS, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP IN THE LONG RUN.

>> I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD BE LETTING THEM KNOW THIS IS THEIRS AND THEY NEED TO BE KEEPING IT UP. I THINK THE REASON WHY WE WERE ABLE TO TALK TO -- THE CITY WAS ABLE TO TALK TO YOUR SPECIFIC HOA IS BECAUSE WE HAD AN ENGINEER DOING ANALYSIS ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER BEING RELEASED FROM YOUR STRUCTURE INTO THE NEXT STRUCTURE, SO THEN THEY WERE ABLE THROUGH THEIR STUDY GO AND SAY HEY, THERE'S TOO MUCH WATER, IT SHOULD NOT BE RELEASING THAT MUCH. SO, THAT IS WHAT --

>> THAT IS WHAT ENABLED TO CITY TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE ISSUE.

TYPICALLY WERE NOT GOING OUT. NOT TYPICALLY. WE ARE NOT GOING OUT AND RUNNING CONSTANT MODELS ON ALL OF THESE DETENTION PONDS TO MAKE SURE THE WATER THAT WE SEE BEING RELEASED IS WHAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. WE ARE NOT FOLLOWING UP ON THAT.

>> IF IT CHANGED OVER TIME AND IT'S NOT OPERATING IN A WAY THAT'S ORIGINALLY DESIGNED, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO FORCE THAT TO

HAPPEN? >> NOT RIGHT NOW.

>> THE ONLY WAY -- >> I WANT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER BUT THERE'S A HUGE DETENTION POND AT 137, AND I LEFT ONE TIME AND IT WAS RAINING AND EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT 137 FLOODS. I'M SENDING OUT THERE AS WE ARE DRIVING IN TRAFFIC TO GET OUT REAL SLOW, AND IT'S LIKE I'M NOT EVEN AN ENGINEER AND I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. THE GROUND IS SLOWLY COMING UP TO THE POINT WHERE THE OUTFLOW PIPES ARE PARALLEL WITH THE

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GROUND , IT'S NOT RETAINING ANY WATER, SO TO ME IT IS SOMEWHAT OF A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE. HERE'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS. IF THERE'S A WAY TO FIGURE IT OUT, WE'VE BEEN LAX. I THINK OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXISTING PONDS WERE TO SIGN AN AGREEMENT TO BRING THEM INTO THE SAME STANDARDS WE HAVE NOW AS OF 2024, THAT THE CITY COULD THEN OFFER TO HELP THEM MITIGATE SOME OF THE ISSUES. SAY THAT POND THERE, IT'S $200,000 IN DAMAGE.

THE CITY SAYING BY YOU SIGNING THIS AGREEMENT WE WILL PAY HALF OF THE COST OF YOU FIXING IT. I THINK THAT DOES TWO THINGS. ONE, IT BRINGS THE PONDED TO CURRENT STANDARDS, AND THEN WE CAN FORCE THEM TO KEEP IT UP, AND THEN TWO IT HELPS WITH YOUR PREVIOUS PRESENTATION BECAUSE IF YOU'VE GOT 20 PONDS NOT RETAINING WATER PROPERLY, WE ARE OUT HERE GETTING READY TO SPEND -- I DON'T KNOW FOR GOING TO ACTUALLY SPEND BUT WE ARE GOING TO LOOK TO SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. WHAT IF EVERYTHING OPERATED CORRECTLY? WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE THEN? I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO MAYBE , I MEAN, KIND OF HAT IN HAND SAY SINUS BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE COULD JUST COME AND SAY YOU ARE CAUSING FLOODING ISSUES, DEGRADING OUR ROADS, BUT WE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU.

WE HAVE SUCH AN AMOUNT OF MONEY BUDGETED EACH YEAR, AND THAT'S A GOOD STEP FOR ME IN MEDICATING FLOODING HIS FIRST OKAY, EVERYTHING WE HAVE OPERATING CORRECTLY BECAUSE OFF THE RECORD IF I TOLD YOU THE PLACE AND HE LOOKED AT IT WHEN IT RAINED, YOU WOULD PROBABLY SAY MY GOD. THERE IS NO WAY THAT'S OPERATING CORRECTLY. IF YOU'RE NOT OUT THERE CHECKING , THE SILLY THING I WILL SAY, I KNOW IN OTHER CITIES , NOT SUGGESTING WE HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT BIGGER THAN WHAT WE HAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN ANNUAL INSPECTION THAT THEY ARE DOING, BUT IN OTHER CITIES THEY ARE ON YOU LIKE IT'S A SERIOUS -- THEY TAKE THE STUFF SERIOUSLY WHETHER IT BE GRASS, OR YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF BAMBOO THING GROWING UP. THE CITIES ARE ALL ON TOP OF YOU TO CLEAN ALL THAT UP, AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT. I THINK IN HUTTO WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS WE JUST KIND OF BEEN LAX FOR SO LONG IT'S NOT ANOTHER ONE OF THESE THINGS, I DON'T THINK WE'RE ADDING THE EXTRA BURDEN ON PEOPLE, WE ARE JUST DOING EXACTLY WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN FOR US IN ORDER TO STOP FLOODING, AND IT'S EXPECTED OF ALMOST EVERY OTHER CITY ONCE YOU GROW UP TO BE A BIGGER CITY, THEY HAVE TO DO IT. AND I DON'T WANT AN HOA DID NOT KNOW ALL OF A SUDDEN TO BE STUCK WITH A HALF-MILLION DOLLAR BILL, BUT IF THEY OWN THE POND AND HAVE NOT KEPT IT UP AND IS NOT OPERATING CORRECTLY, THAT IS ON THEM. I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE CAN MAYBE WORK TOGETHER AND SAY LOOK, WE HAVE MONEY NEXT YEAR, WE CAN ALLOCATE TO IT. YOU SIGN THIS, YOU GUYS CAN PREPARE FOR COST, COUNCIL IS GOING TO PREPARE FOR COST, AND THAT IS A MAJOR HELP THAT WILL MAYBE ALLOW LESS FLOODING SOMEWHERE ELSE. THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M THINKING PRETTY ONE EVERYBODY IN COMPLIANCE, YOU DON'T WANT 30 YEARS FROM NOW YOU STILL HAVE THIS OLD POND AND BASICALLY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BUILD ANOTHER POND BECAUSE THIS WAS TERRIBLE AND THEY ARE NOT KEEPING IT UP. I DON'T KNOW HOW OUTSIDE THE BOX THAT IS.

>> NOT ONLY TO THAT POINT BUT I STILL THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO ALSO HAVE AN UPDATED ORDINANCE THAT GIVES MAINTENANCE SCHEDULES SEPARATE FOR THOSE PONDS. INDEPENDENT OF THAT PLAN TO MAYBE ONES THAT ARE EFFICIENT BUT AT LEAST THAT WAY YOU'VE GOT SOME OTHER TEETH, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO SIGN THE AGREEMENT. AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS OTHER POLICY IN PLACE FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T COMING IN, NOT PUTTING A MEDICATION PLAN IN WITH THE COUNTY AND CITY. IT'S ONLY WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO DO PLATTING THAT WE HAVE THE CARROT TO GET THEM TO DO THAT, RIGHT? THE MONEY MAY BE THE CARROT THAT MAKES THEM DO IT, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO HAVE POLICY IN PLACE PRIOR TO GOING TO THAT STEP BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN SAY LOOK, THAT IS THE CARROT, HERE IS THE STICK OVER HERE , BUT IF WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE STICK, THEN IT'S NOT REALLY A CARROT BECAUSE IT'S STILL GOING TO BE MONEY OUT OF THEIR POCKET EVEN IF HE ONLY PAY HALF.

>> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THIS.

>> I WOULD AGREE THAT IT SHOULD BE A TWO-PRONGED APPROACH. ONE POINT THAT I WILL PUT OUT THERE JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WHEN YOU SAY THAT WE SHOULD BE WORKING WITH THESE HOA TO BRING THEIR PONDS TO FUNCTIONAL LEVELS, I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU FROM THE PRESENTATION EARLIER , RAINFALL AMOUNTS HAVE CHANGED DRASTICALLY IN CENTRAL TEXAS. THAT IS ONE OF THE ISSUES I'M HAVING ON A LOT OF PROJECTS IS I'M PUSHING AS ENGINEERS ARE COMING IN AND TRYING TO DEVELOP PROJECTS THEY ARE TAPPING INTO EXISTING DETENTION PONDS, IS I'M PUSHING THEM TO RUN ANALYSIS ON THOSE EXISTING DETENTION PONDS BASED ON RAINFALL DATA THAT IS RELATIVELY NEW. SO, YOU HAVE AN OLD POND THAT WAS DESIGNED WAY BEFORE ATLAS 14, AND THEN YOU HAVE NEW RAINFALL DATA. I

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WOULDN'T SAY THAT I'M BREAKING ANY RULES BECAUSE OF THE LIFE SAFETY THING AND IT'S COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED, AND TECHNICALLY WE USE ROUND ROCK'S CRITERIA AND ROUND ROCK HAS ALREADY ADAPTED ATLAS 14. PUSHING THEM TO GO BACK TO LOOK AT EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE IS ON THEIR DESIGN IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET AS MANY OF THEM TO DO AS I CAN LEGALLY JUSTIFY. MY POINT BEING WHEN WE GO BACK TO THESE OTHER HOA AND WHOEVER AND SAY YOUR POND IS NOT WORKING CORRECTLY, MOST LIKELY WE ARE GOING TO BE ASKING THEM TO BRING THEIR PONDS INTO COMPLIANCE WITH ATLAS 14, WHICH MEANS THE PONDS MAY NEED TO BE DEEPER, WHITER, WHATEVER THE CASE IS, SO IT WOULDN'T BE JUST A MATTER OF I AGREE WITH YOU, THERE'S A LOT OF PONDS OUT THERE THAT OVER THE YEARS WE GO CUT THE GRASS AND WE EAT THE CLIPPINGS AND MOVE ON, BUT SLOWLY BUT SURELY THE BOTTOM FILLS UP , AND NOW DOESN'T HAVE THE DEPTH IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE. BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE ALSO GOT HIGHER RAINFALL DATA.

>> SO, TO CLARIFY, I'M OKAY FORCING THEM TO GET IT TO WHERE IT WAS AS RIGIDLY DESIGNED. RAINFALL CHANGED, THAT'S WHERE WE CAN SPEND OUR MONEY MORE EFFECTIVELY TO GO BACK AND SAY LOOK, YOU GUYS HAVE TO TAKE 3 INCHES OUT . IT'S GOING TO COST YOU $100,000, WE WILL PAY $50,000 OF THAT, SO YOU PAY $50,000 IN. WITH THE NEW RAINFALL , WE WANT TO COME IN AND DROP ANOTHER 6 INCHES, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE ON OUR COST BECAUSE IF WE TRY TO HAVE ALL THESE NEIGHBORHOODS COME BACK, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE RAIN MOVES AWAY AND ATLAS 14 SHRINKS A LOT OF WAYS? IF I WAS AN HOA PRESIDENT, I WOULD SAY I NEED MONEY REIMBURSED. IF IT EXPANDS, WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS. USE EXISTING PONDS AND HOW TO UTILIZE THEM TO HOLD OUR WATER BEFORE WE BUILD NEW STUFF, AND HOW DO WE WORK WITH INITIAL PEOPLE? I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING SAID. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD STEP. YOU COME BACK IN A FEW MONTHS AND SAY HEY, HERE'S OUR APPROACH. IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DO THIS AND MAYBE SPEND SOME MONEY, AND THEN YEAH, FOR ME I WOULD NOT MAKE THEM GO UP TO NEW CODE. I THINK YOU COMMUNICATE THAT TO THEM. MAYBE WE COULD DO THAT. KIND OF LIKE SIDEWALKS. SOME CITIES, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT. I THINK IT'S A PUBLIC THING. IT OUGHT TO BE FOR THE PUBLIC. BUT

IT'S A GOOD STEP. >> YEAH, SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE LEGAL UPDATE THE ORDINANCES , JUST WHAT THIS SAYS RIGHT HERE, CLARIFYING MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS, STORMWATER CONTROLS.

AND PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS.

>> LEGAL UPDATE , STORMWATER. >> MAYBE WE COULD DO IT IN A WORKSHOP , AND SEE WHICH ONES , WHAT DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO IN AS FAR AS PEOPLE'S YARDS VERSUS THIS SCENARIO.

>> WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> I WOULD JUST SAY I AGREE -- I DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID AT FIRST. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF HELPING AN HOA TO GET TO WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE. I AM OKAY IF WE POTENTIALLY HELP THEM ENHANCE WHATEVER IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. I THINK THERE'S A DISTINCTION THERE. YOU KNOW, OUR HOA DID IT, WE FIXED IT, AND DELETE OTHER PROJECTS THE HOA WANTED TO TAKE ON IT I'M SURE IT IMPACTED THE MONTHLY BILL A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A RESERVE IF YOU'RE RUNNING AN HOA. AN HOA THAT DID NOT PLAN PROPERLY , IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE THE REST OF

THE TAXPAYERS' PROBLEM. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING

ON. PLEASE CALL THE BOW. >> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? I.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? I.. >> MAYOR SNYDER? I..

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? >> I..

[13.3. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-085 approving the Kirk Tract Development Agreement by and between the City of Hutto and Nason Garett Hengst, Trustee of the Hengst Family Trust, related to the development of a singlefamily residential community and commercial tract [Item previously considered as R2024-325]. (Councilmember Brian Thompson) ]

>> THE MOTION PASSES SEVEN MINUTES HER. NEXT WE HAVE ADAM 13.3, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION , APPROVING THE KIRK TRACT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF HUTTO AND NASON GARETT HENGST, TRUSTEE OF THE HENGST FAMILY TRUST, RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL

COMMUNITY AND COMMERCIAL TRACT. >> MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER

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THOMPSON , SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK TO

RECONSIDER. >> A POINT OF INQUIRY, ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO THAT BEYOND THE NEXT MEETING?

>> UNDER YOUR PROCEDURAL RULES, NO, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO MAKE IT AT THE NEXT MEETING. THE RESOLUTION APPROVING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PASSED. BUT IS IT AN AMENDMENT TO THIS AGREEMENT, OR WHAT IS THE BASIS FOR RECONSIDERING?

>> I WAS A PART OF THE PREVAILING PARTY BUT I'D LIKE TO RECONSIDER THIS ITEM BASED ON NEW INFORMATION THAT WE'VE

GOTTEN. >> SO, AS I RECALL, THIS ONE WAS DENIED BACK WHENEVER IT CAME BEFORE US. 2024?

>> IT WAS THE FIRST PART OF THIS YEAR.

>> I WAS ABSENT AT THAT MEETING SO I DIDN'T EVEN GET A CHANCE TO VOTE ON IT OR MAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.

>> SO, YOU'RE JUST WANTING TO RECONSIDER IT FOR POSSIBLE

APPROVAL TONIGHT? >> RIGHT.

>> SO THE QUESTION IS CAN WE? >> I THINK YOU WOULD VOTE TO SUSPEND THAT RULE, AND THEN PUT IT ON A SUBSEQUENT AGENDA TO BRING IN THE NEW INFORMATION SO THAT EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE THE

REASONS FOR RECONSIDERATION. >> AND THE VOTE TO SUSPEND WOULD

REQUIRE FIVE VOTES? >> I BELIEVE SO. LET ME DOUBLE

CHECK. >> OKAY, SO WE VOTED TO DENY

THIS. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. >> ON THE SOUTHEAST LOOP TOWARD

>> THIS ONE NEEDED WATER FROM HUTTO?

>> YES. >> ISN'T THERE A MAP? THERE IS.

IN THE ATTACHMENTS THERE'S A MAP OF WHERE IT'S LOCATED, WILCO HIGHWAY CUTS ACROSS THE SOUTH END OF IT. IT IS TAKING ITS ACCESS OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 134. AND 1660 , JUST NORTH OF

1660. >> IS THERE A PRESENTATION?

>> WE HAVE THE WATER PRESENTATION FROM CITY STAFF ABOUT WHAT OUR CURRENT USAGE , AND WHERE THEY THINK BASED ON GROWTH AND STUFF, WHICH CHANGES FUNDAMENTALLY WHERE SOME PEOPLE

MAY HAVE VOTED. >> ALL RIGHT, SO IT'S A DIFFERENT RESOLUTION, SO ISN'T IT A DIFFERENT ITEM? I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S NOT THE SAME THING. IT'S NOT EVEN THE SAME RESOLUTION. YOU ARE NOT BREAKING UP THE SAME RESOLUTION.

IT'S A NEW RESOLUTION NUMBER. >> IT'S JUST A NUMBER THAT IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS NUMBER WAS DENIED.

>> IS AT THE IDENTICAL AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BE APPROVED?

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON, STAFF HASN'T MADE ANY ADJUSTMENTS OR CHANGES TO THIS SINCE THE LAST TIME IT WAS PRESENTED.

>> I AM MISSING SOMETHING. WHAT IS THE NEW INFORMATION?

>> ARE WE OKAY TO MOVE FORWARD? >> I THINK IT'S OKAY TO DISCUSS. WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT PROCEDURALLY IF THE INTENT IS TO IMPROVE -- APPROVE THE AGREEMENT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY CONSIDERED.

>> YES, MY INTENT IS TO APPROVE THE AGREEMENT THAT WAS

PREVIOUSLY DENIED. >> I'M NOT LOOKING AT VOTING TO RECONSIDER UNLESS WE ARE -- WE WERE TOLD IT'S NEW INFORMATION AND I GUESS I'M WAITING FOR COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON TO SHARE

WITH US WHAT IS NEW. >> WE HAVE IT POSTED AS A RECONSIDERATION. IT'S BEING BROUGHT UP AS A RECONSIDERATION BECAUSE WE DENIED IT IN THE PAST. SO, PROCEDURALLY, THE WAY IT IS POSTED IS JUST TO APPROVE THE AGREEMENT THAT WAS DENIED IN

THE PAST. >> SO THEN SHOULD I RESEND MY MOTION TO RECONSIDER AND JUST BRING THIS BACK UP AS AN ITEM I

WOULD LIKE TO NOW APPROVE? >> YES.

>> OKAY I WILL RESEND MY MOTION TO RECONSIDER.

>> IT'S ON THE AGENDA WITH A RESOLUTION AND THE AGREEMENT HAS PRESENTED BEFORE WITH THE REQUEST THAT COUNCIL APPROVE IT , AND IF THERE IS ANY NEW INFORMATION AS THE BASIS OF BRINGING IT UP, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

>> OKAY, SO THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS AS

PRESENTED. >> THE WAY IT IS WORDED, YES.

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>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> DISCUSSION? >> THE REASON I'M BRINGING THIS BACK UP AS EARLY FROM OUR DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD ON THE

>> DISCUSSION? >> THE REASON I'M BRINGING THIS BACK UP AS EARLY FROM OUR DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD ON 27 MARCH REGARDING THE ATX LEGACY PARK PRESENTATION, AFTER WE GAVE OUR FEEDBACK AND UNDERSTOOD FROM RICK ON OUR CURRENT WATER USAGE , AND THEN AFTER REVIEWING THIS PROJECT I BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT NOW WITH THAT NEW INFORMATION THEY RECEIVED FROM RICK AND STAFF I BELIEVE THIS PROJECT DOES REPRESENT A MEASURED FORWARD THINKING APPROACH TO CONTROLLED URBAN GROWTH THAT MATCHES THE CITY'S CURRENT WATER CAPACITY . THE THREE POINTS THAT I GATHERED FROM LISTENING TO OUR DISCUSSION LAST WEEK AND THEN GOING THROUGH AND WE LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT WAS NUMBER ONE, OUR CURRENT WATER CAPACITY TRENDS. WE WERE TOLD LAST WEEK THE CITY IS CURRENTLY GROWING AT 13.5% WHICH IS BELOW THE PROJECTED 18.8% IN THE WATER MASTER PLAN , AND CURRENTLY WE ARE SITTING AT 10,000 LUE WHICH IS BELOW THE 2027% LUES, AND THE SECOND POINT WAS THE INFRASTRUCTURE EXPANSION . I BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT INCLUDES PROACTIVELY BUILDING WATER AND SEWAGE INFRASTRUCTURE , AND IT EXTENDS UTILITY LINES TO SERVICE FUTURE TRACT DEVELOPMENT ALIGNING WITH OUR LONG-TERM PLANNING AND AGAIN CONSISTENT WITH OUR CITIES APPROACH TO INCREMENTAL INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT , AND THE THIRD POINT WAS THE WATER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT WITH THIS PROJECT BEING 370 LUES , I THINK IT DOES REPRESENT MODEST GROWTH, SAME THING WE WERE LOOKING AT WITH LAST WEEK'S PRESENTATION ON THE ATX LEGACY PARK , AND THE WATER VISION FEE ENSURES THE CITY IS STILL BEING COMPENSATED FOR FUTURE CAPACITY , AND ALSO SUPPORTS THE CITY'S CONSERVATION AND STRATEGIC WATER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT EFFORTS . I'M HAPPY FOR STAFF TO CORRECT ME ON ANYTHING WRONG THAT I'VE SAID, BUT BASED ON OUR WATER CAPACITY DISCUSSION OF LAST WEEK, THAT IS WHY I MADE THE MOTION TO NOW APPROVE THIS CURRENT TRACK DEVELOPMENT.

>> SO, FOR ME, MY BIG THING IS THIS IS A PROJECT THAT STARTED WAY BACK IN 2021. WORKING WITH CITY STAFF BASICALLY THE ENTIRE TIME I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL FOR THREE YEARS. WE'VE APPROVED THEM ALL ALONG THE PROCESS. THEY HAVE GOTTEN SOME HICCUPS FROM NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN THROUGH THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITIONS FROM THE ROAD OF THE COUNTY, AND SO IT'S JUST BEEN SLOW MOVING ALL THAT TIME. THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH US EVERY STEP OF THE PROCESS AND WHEN IN DECEMBER WHEN THE NEW -- WHEN WE WERE GIVEN SOME NEW INFORMATION, WE CHANGED OUR POLICY ABOUT LOOKING AT WATER OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. THEY BASICALLY PULLED THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER THEM AND COUNCIL IN JANUARY WHEN I COULDN'T BE THERE VOTED 4-2. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I ALSO THINK IT'S IN THIS CASE A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN GOOD FAITH FOR OVER THREE YEARS, TO JUST SWITCH THE LAST MOMENT IS A BAD PRECEDENT TO SET. YES WE HAVE NOW CHANGED OUR POLICY FOR ALL FUGITIVE ELEMENTS HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL IF THEY ARE OUTSIDE OUR WATER CCN AND I COMPLETELY SUPPORTED THAT, BUT I THINK PENALIZING A DEVELOPER THAT HAS BEEN WORKING FOR OVER THREE YEARS I THINK IS A GROSS INJUSTICE . THE ONLY QUESTION I DID HAVE FOR STAFF , IF WE DID APPROVE THIS, DOES THIS INCLUDE WATER RESERVATION FEES BEING PLAYED FOR THIS UNTIL WE GO, OR SINCE IT WAS PREAPPROVED BEFORE, ARE THEY EXEMPTED FROM THAT?

THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD. >> AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE WASTEWATER AND WATER RESERVATION CAPACITY AGREEMENTS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS IN THE CONVERSATION TO BE APPLIED HERE BUT THERE IS NO EXEMPTION, NO HARD-LINE DATE PROVIDED BY COUNCIL TO SAY YES, THESE PEOPLE DO AND KNOW THESE PEOPLE DON'T.

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WE STILL HAVE THE TIME AND ABILITY TO DO THAT FOR THIS

PROPERTY. >> EVEN THOUGH COUNCIL DIDN'T DIRECT THAT IT WOULD OR WOULDN'T, IT ACTUALLY HAS IN THERE THEY WOULD DO WATER RESERVATIONS, THEY HAVE ALREADY

CONSENTED TO IT EITHER WAY. >> THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION, THAT THE ONLY RESERVATION I'VE HAD ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND THAT'S BEEN ANSWERED. THANK YOU.

>> PERFECT. >> FOR ME, I'M SORRY THE LANDOWNERS WERE LED ASTRAY BY STAFF. IT'S NOT THE LAND , IT'S NOT AN HOUR CCN, AND WE AS A COUNCIL NEVER SAID YES HE CAN DO THIS. STAFF WORKED WITH HIM FOR A COUPLE YEARS. IT'S A DIFFICULT POSITION BUT WE HAVE A FINITE AMOUNT OF WATER . BETWEEN 2028 AND 2029 WE WILL HAVE NOT ENOUGH WATER FOR MORE DEVELOPMENT UNLESS SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS.

BASICALLY LESS THAN THREE YEARS POTENTIALLY. YES OUR GROWTH HAS SLOWED WHICH MEANS NOW MAYBE THAT'S IN 2029, NEW WATER SUPPLY DOES NOT COME UNTIL 2031 TO 2033, SO WE HAVE A THREE TO FOUR YOUR WINDOW WHERE IF EVERYTHING LINES UP RIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE OUR WATER SUPPLY, AND THAT ISSUE IS TAKEN CARE OF, BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF PROPERTY THAT IS NOT OUR CCN, NOT REQUIRED TO GIVE THEM WATER. WE GIVE THEM WATER AND THAT HAS A POTENTIAL OF TAKING AWAY FROM SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE IN THREE YEARS, AND I THINK IT'S VERY SHORTSIGHTED FOR US TO KEEP PUSHING GROWTH , AND WE DO THIS AND WE ARE GOING TO WIND UP WITH NO GROWTH , AND THE WAY I REMEMBER OUR BONDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS ALL BASED ON GROWTH , AND MORE IMPACT FEES.

IF ALL OF A SUDDEN IN 2029 WE HAVE NO IMPACT FEES COMING IN BECAUSE WE HAVE NO WATER, WE ARE GOING TO LOOK BACK TO THIS ONE, TO THE ONE OVER BY COVERT, AND TO OTHER ONES AND GO MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE ALL THAT BACK WHEN WE DID, BUT FOR ME WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WATER FOR OUR OWN CCN TO EXPAND IT.

>> I DID NOT THINK THE 334 LUES THEY WERE ASKING ON WERE GOING TO MAKE A HUGE IMPACT ESPECIALLY WHEN RECEIVED SOMETHING FROM STAFF THAT SAID WE WERE WELL BELOW THE 333 OF WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO BE BY THIS TIME. FROM WHAT I REMEMBER , FROM LOOKING AT THE MAP AGAIN, I WAS IN FAVOR OF THIS BECAUSE IT DID HAVE A COMMERCIAL ASPECT TO IT. IT WASN'T EXCLUSIVELY RESIDENTIAL. WE DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TO CAPTURE NOT ONLY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TAX BUT ALSO SALES TAX. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION. WHO IS HERE TO PRESENT LAST TIME. IT SEEMS LIKE WE ASKED YOU SOME QUESTIONS AND YOU WEREN'T QUITE SURE ON THE OTHER QUESTIONS. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF IT DIDN'T DEVELOP? DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY MORE DETAILS YOU CAN SHARE WITH US TONIGHT THAT MAYBE WE DIDN'T GET BACK

IN GENERAL? >> DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE DETAILS WITH US TONIGHT THAT WERE SHARED IN JANUARY AS FAR AS LIKE WHAT IS YOUR PLAN? WE SAID NO IN JANUARY. THAT WOULD BE YOUR PLAN IF YOU GOT TO KNOW AGAIN TONIGHT? WOULD YOUR PLAN NEED TO PURSUE WATER THROUGH JONAH AGAIN? WOULD YOUR PLAN NEED TO TRY TO DO THAT AND DO A PACKAGE PLAN? WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

>> COULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE FOR THE VIDEO?

THANK YOU. >> SORRY. DESPITE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE , I'M NOT A CORN FARMER. OR DEVELOPER. IF WE CAN COOPERATE WITH THE CITY, WHICH IS OUR GOAL, THAT'S OUR PLAN A BUT WE DO HAVE A PLAN B, PLAN C, PLAN D TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY.

>> SO, PLAN B WOULD BE WORK WITH JONAH , PAY MORE, DO MUD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? HELP ME UNDERSTAND SOME MORE DETAILS.

>> WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS THERE. THERE'S ABOUT 1500 ACRES TO THE EAST OF US, ALL DEVELOPER OWNED, THEY ALL NEED THE JONAH WATER. WE COULD DRILL THE WELL, WE COULD GO DOWN THE LINE AND DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY.

>> OKAY. BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE LAST TIME -- I JUST DON'T

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THINK YOU KNEW. YOU DIDN'T KNOW. YOU WERE KIND OF PUT ON

THE SPOT. >> THAT'S REALLY NOT MY PLACE TO SPEAK. THAT WAS JUST THE ANSWER. MACKEY WEREN'T SURE. I APPRECIATE ADDING THE ADDITIONAL CLARITY. FOR ME, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CLARK IN WHAT HE SAID. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME THAT YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF. I KNOW WE MADE THIS DECISION RIGHT BEFORE YOU ARE READY TO COME FOR US FOR APPROVAL, SO JUST REALLY BAD TIMING I THINK. TO ME THAT'S AN IMPORTANT FACTOR. ALSO, WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE COMMERCIAL, WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO DEVELOP ANYWAY, HOW MANY OF THE LUES THERE ARE. I LOOK AT THAT AS A HOLISTIC THING AND I TAKE IT ALL IN THE THINK THAT'S WHAT I BASE MY DECISIONS ON AND BASED ON WHAT YOU SHARED WITH ME TONIGHT I HAVEN'T CHANGED MY MIND. I WAS A YES BACK IN JANUARY , I'M STILL A YES NOW BECAUSE NOTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED TO THE POINT WHERE IT CHANGES FOR ME. I APPRECIATE YOU FILLING IN MORE

DETAILS. >> MR. PORTERFIELD, DO YOU HAVE

ANY QUESTIONS? >> YEAH, SO ALONG WITH -- BACK IN THE INITIAL VOTE, I WAS OKAY AND APPROVED THIS, SO YES, I'M

OKAY, YEAH. >> THANK YOU, GUYS.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> MAYOR SNYDER? >> NÉE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? I. >> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? I..

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? >> NÉE.

[13.4. Discussion and possible action relating to conflicts-of-interest disclosures for agenda items involving persons that have campaign signs supporting incumbents for re-election located on the person's property. (Mayor Mike Snyder) ]

>> COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD? >> NÉE.

>> MOTION PASSES 4-3. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 13.4. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATING TO CONFLICTS OF INTEREST DISCLOSURES FOR AGENDA ITEMS INVOLVING PERSONS THAT HAVE CAMPAIGN SIGN SUPPORTING INCUMBENTS FOR RE-ELECTION LOCATED ON THE PERSON'S PROPERTY.

>> I JUST ASKED THE QUESTION. IT IS NOT A CONFLICT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A CONFLICT OF INTEREST DISCLOSURE. I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU IF YOU DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ANY

POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST. >> BEFORE OR AFTER YOUR QUESTION

CAME UP? >> I DON'T KNOW. I DID NOT A DOCUMENT THE EXACT THING. MY POINT IS THERE IS NOT A CONFLICT LIKE THAT IS NOT A STATE LAW ISSUE OR ANYTHING, SO I JUST

ASKED YOU . >> FOR THE PUBLIC, HERE IS WHAT THIS CAME FROM. I MAY BE BREAKING A STATE LAW AFTER LISTENING TO THE EDC BEFORE, BUT I REALLY DON'T CARE. WE COME IN AND HAVE OUR MEETINGS AND THERE SEEMS TO BE THIS CONSTANT LITTLE UNDERHANDED THING , AND WE HAD ONE COME UP THAT HEY, DON'T YOU HAVE A SIGN ON THIS PERSON'S PROPERTY AND IN THAT CONFLICT OF INTEREST? I SAID IT IS NOT GERMANE TO OUR DISCUSSION BUT I WILL BRING IT BACK UP BECAUSE IT'S A REGULAR OCCURRENCE WHERE WE TEND TO HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT WOULD JUST THROW OUT AN ACCUSATION, THERE WOULD BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AND I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS IT , BUT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS IT BECAUSE WHEN YOU MAKE AN ACCUSATION, YOU GO'K WHEN YOU RAN AROUND TELLING PEOPLE. A SIGN WAS PUT UP , I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN, PROBABLY TWO MONTHS AGO, AND I WAS ASKED TO RELOCATE IT TO A DIFFERENT AREA. IT WAS RELOCATED LIKE THREE DAYS LATER. IT HAS NOT BEEN THERE. THE PROBLEM IS YOU DON'T LIVE IN HUTTO TO SEE IT REGULARLY. IF YOU LIVED HERE, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE SEEN A SIGN THERE AND HE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE THE ASSUMPTION THAT THERE IS