* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. SIX [00:00:01] O'CLOCK, WE'LL CALL THE CITY COUNCIL [1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER ] WORK SESSION TODAY, THURSDAY, MARCH 27TH, 2025 TO ORDER ROLL CALL. COUNCILOR THOMPSON. COUNCILOR THORNTON HERE. COUNCILOR CLARK. HERE. COUNCILOR . SAID SHOULD BE A FEW MINUTES LATE. COUNCILOR PORTERFIELD HERE. MAYOR PRO GORDON HERE? YES, SENATOR'S HERE. AND COUNCILMAN? UH, THOMPSON TOLD ME HE WAS ALONG THIS WAY. ALRIGHT, ITEM 3.1. [3.1. Capital Improvement Projects (CIP) Updates and Presentations (Matt Rector) ] CAPITAL EQUIPMENT PROJECT CIP. UPDATES AND PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNSEL FOR THE RECORD. MY RECORD, THE ENGINEER. UH, NORMALLY WE DO THIS DURING THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO SQUEEZE EVERYTHING AND BE CONSISTENT, UH, WOULD BE GOOD TO TRY TO COMBINE IT. SO SWITCH OVER. SO THIS IS MY REGULAR, UH, UPDATE. SO I'M JUST GONNA JUMP IN REAL QUICK TO SOME PROJECTS THAT I WANTED. THE FIRST ONE UP IS, UH, THE CR 1 37 AND 1660. UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD ONGOING ISSUES WITH, UH, ON THIS ONE AND SO IT'S, UH, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS. WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD MEETING WITH THEM LAST WEEK. UM, UH, WE ACTUALLY NEED TO UPDATE THIS SLIDE BECAUSE THIS WAS FROM THE PREVIOUS ACCOUNT MEETING. AND SO, UH, BIDDING IS NOW ANTICIPATED TO BE, UH, LATE QUARTER 4 25, PROBABLY EARLY 26. AND SO IT'S LOOKING LIKE PROJECT WON'T START CONSTRUCTION UNTIL SOMETIME IN 26 AND BE COMPLETED UNTIL SOMETIME IN 27 AT THE EARLIEST. UM, SO, UH, BASED ON PRIOR CONVERSATIONS, I AM TRYING TO PUSH THE CONSULTANT THAT'S WORKING ON THE CR 1 63 ROAD SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF GET THAT ONE DONE BEFORE THIS ONE EVEN BREAKS GROUND. UH, THE NEXT ONE, UPDATE LAKESIDE ESTATE SIDEWALKS. IF YOU'LL REMEMBER BACK IN MY JANUARY PRESENTATION, UH, WE BROUGHT THIS ONE TO CITY COUNCIL AND SAID WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH THE RIGHTS OF ENTRY STUFF FROM THE HOMEOWNERS. UH, JUST FOR REFERENCE, THERE ARE 181 PARCELS OUT THERE THAT, THAT WE'RE CROSSING TO DO THIS SIDEWALK PRO, THE PHASE THREE SIDEWALK PROJECT. UH, BACK IN AUGUST, WE STARTED REACHING OUT, TRYING TO GET RIGHTS OF ENTRY FROM 80 OF THOSE WHERE WE ACTUALLY NEEDED IT. UM, WE REALLY DIDN'T GET MUCH RESPONSE FROM THE CITIZENS, UH, IN JANUARY. COUNCIL SAID, REVISE THE RIGHT OF ENTRY FORMS, MAKE 'EM SOUND LESS LEGAL AND MORE LIKE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND WE'RE GONNA PUT EVERYTHING BACK. THAT KIND OF THING. SO WE DID THAT. WE SENT THOSE BACK OUT IN FEBRUARY. AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE RECEIVED 34 SIGNED RIGHTS OF ENTRY OF THE 80 THAT WE NEED. WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED FIVE DENIALS THAT HAVE SAID, NO WAY, NO HOW YOU'RE NOT DOING THIS PROJECT. UM, AND SO WITH LESS THAN 50% APPROVAL RIGHT OF ENTRY, UH, I'M GONNA BRING IT TO COUNSEL AGAIN AND ASK FOR FEEDBACK AND GUIDANCE. IN MY MIND, THERE'S TWO WAYS YOU CAN DO THIS. UM, WE COULD TERMINATE THE PROJECT AND SAY WE'VE TRIED TO PUT SIDE, WE DID TWO PHASES OF SIDEWALKS. WE'VE TRIED TO DO A THIRD PHASE, BUT A MAJORITY OF THE HOMEOWNERS DON'T WANT SIDEWALKS. UH, THE OTHER THING WE COULD DO IS WE COULD REDESIGN THE ENTIRE PROJECT AND INSTEAD OF HAVING THE TYPICAL TREE LAWN LIKE YOU SEE EVERYWHERE ELSE, THE THREE FOOT GAP BETWEEN THE BACK OF THE CURB AND THE START OF THE SIDEWALK, WE PUSH ALL THE SIDEWALKS STRAIGHT UP AGAINST THE CURB, WHICH WE DON'T REALLY DO A LOT OF HERE IN HU. UM, AND THEN WE COULD AVOID A LOT OF THESE RIGHTS OF ENTRY, ALMOST ALL OF THEM. AND SO, BUT THAT DOES REQUIRE COMPLETE REDESIGN. SO ALL NEW ENGINEERING FEES, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. OR WE CAN JUST KEEP KICKING THE CAN AND KEEP WAITING TO SEE IF WE CAN EVER GET TO A MAJORITY OF THE HOMEOWNERS GIVING US RIGHTS OF ENTRY AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANNA DO WITH THE FIVE OR SIX THAT HAVE JUST REFUSED. AND THEY ACTUALLY DECLINED TO GIVE US RIGHTS OF ENTRY. THEY SAID, NO WAY. NO. HOW YOU'RE NOT DOING THIS. I DON'T WANT YOUR PROJECT. YES, I THINK IT'S THE NEXT MEETING. WE CAN, WE CAN DO IT TODAY. UH, WE WANTED TO, UM, SO THERE'S NO WAY TO DO THE, THE WORK ON THE FIVE HOUSES WITHOUT THE RIGHT OF ENTRY. 'CAUSE I GUESS THEY, THEY HAVE TO ENCROACH INTO THE OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE YEAH, SO 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'VE GOT THE THREE FOOT TREE LAWN THAT'S REQUIRED BY OUR CODE. AND THEN WHEN YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE STEEP SLOPES ON SOME OF THESE DRIVEWAYS AND WE TRY TO MEET, MAKE THE SIDEWALK MEET A DA COMPLIANCE ACROSS THE DRIVE, WE HAVE TO GET ONTO THEIR ACTUAL PROPERTY TO ACTUALLY FIX SOME OF THEIR DRIVEWAY AND TIE EVERYTHING BACK TOGETHER. AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE SAYING NO. UM, I, I, I KNOW TWO OF THE HOMEOWNERS, IT'S BECAUSE THEY PARKED MULTIPLE VEHICLES IN THEIR DRIVEWAY ALREADY. AND SO THEY SAID THAT ONCE WE PUT THAT SIDEWALK OUT THERE, THAT WHERE THEY'RE PARKING THEIR VEHICLES WOULD BLOCK THE SIDEWALK, WHICH IS BASICALLY AGAINST, UH, TRANSPORTATION CODE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. [00:05:01] AND SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST BASICALLY SAYING, WE DON'T WANT THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE THEN WE CAN'T DO WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN DOING. UM, THE OTHER THREE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEIR OBJECTIONS ARE. ONE OF THEM I THINK IS SOMETHING TO DO WITH, THEY DON'T WANNA HAVE TO MOVE THEIR LANDSCAPING. SO THERE ARE WAYS AROUND IT, BUT ANY OF THOSE WAYS IS GONNA REQUIRE US TO CHANGE THE DESIGN TO SOME FORM OR FASHION. HOW MUCH MILLION SOMETHING IN THE PHASE OR HOW MUCH DO YOU HAVE BUDGET FOR IT? SO YOU HAVE 2 MILLION FOR, UH, FY 25. WE'VE ALREADY SPENT, UH, THE 20,000 AND ENCUMBERED 62,000. SO WE HAVE ABOUT 42,000 LEFT ON THAT DESIGN CONTRACT, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH THE CONSTRUCTION ADMIN AND FINAL WALKS AND, AND BIDDING PHASE SERVICES. AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE 1.9 LEFTOVER, UH, OF THE BUDGET. SO YOU SAY NO, THAT'S $2 MILLION ESSENTIALLY. YEAH. SO I MEAN WE WOULD, WE WOULD PROBABLY SPEND ANOTHER, UH, UM, DON'T HOLD ME TO THESE NUMBERS, BUT PROBABLY ANOTHER 50 OR $60,000 JUST REDESIGNING IF, IF WE FOCUSED ON JUST DOING THE SMALL SECTIONS ON THOSE FIVE PROPERTIES. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT WOULD THE IMMINENT DOMAIN ON THE FIVE PROPERTIES BE? OR AT LEAST OF USE BECAUSE YOU RESTORE IT BACK SO YOU'RE JUST DOING A RIGHT OF ACCESS ON IMMINENT DOMAIN. IF IT'S LESS THAN 50 GRAND, WHY WOULD WE REDESIGN AND DO SOMETHING THAT'S ALSO NOT AS SAFE FOR THE PEOPLE USING THE SIDEWALK? WE KNOW IT'S GONNA BE GOOD IMMINENT DOMAIN AND ACCESS JUST FOR THE, THE RIGHT OF USAGE. AND THEN IT GETS RESTORED BACK, UM, AHEAD. SO I CAN BALLPARK YOU ROUGH TIME, PROBABLY SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS TO GET TO A HEARING TO GET YOUR POSSESSION. MM-HMM . UH, THAT'S GONNA INVOLVE HIRING. 'CAUSE TO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HIRE THE SURVEYOR TO FORMALLY SURVEY IT. YOU'RE HAVE TO HIRE AN . SO THAT ALREADY IS PROBABLY $6,000 IN COSTS, LEGAL BILLS AND COURT FILING FEES FROM START TO GETTING TO THE HEARING. YOU'RE PROBABLY IN THE 10 TO 30,000 PER PERSON. AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE BUYING A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT, POSSIBLY VALUE A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS. SO TO, TO GET TO THAT POINT, YOU'RE GONNA SPEND A LOT MORE MONEY THAN WHAT YOU'RE BUYING IS WORTH. UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE, THE PROJECT ASPECT OF IT. THAT'D BE MY BALLPARK. I WAS JUST, THAT'S BRINGING THIS TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING 'CAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT TO COVER. SO IT'S ACTUALLY NOT RELATED TO THIS THOUGH. WE HAVE RIGHT OF WAY ALREADY. RIGHT. SO IT'S, IT'S ILLEGAL TO BLOCK A SIDEWALK, BUT IT'S ALSO ILLEGAL LEGAL BLOCK RIGHT. OF WAY. SO THEY COULD ACTUALLY GET TICKETED TODAY WHETHER WE PUT A SIDEWALK IN OR NOT. AND MAYBE IF THEY KNOW THAT, THAT THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE AND THEY CAN STILL GET A TICKET TODAY, THEY JUST HAVEN'T YET. MAYBE THAT MAKES A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCE. WE CAN, WE CAN TRY THAT. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ONLY TWO OF THE, I KNOW IT'S NOT EVERYBODY AND THEN WE STILL HAVE ANOTHER 41 THAT HAVEN'T RESPOND. YEAH, HAVEN'T RESPONDED YET. SO I MEAN WE, WE CAN AND THERE'S DEFINITELY A POINT WHERE IT'S LIKE, YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS WORKING. YEAH. I MEAN WE'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING ON JUST TRYING TO GET RIGHT TO ENTRY FOR SEVEN MONTHS. SO I JUST WANT, AND WE CAN TAKE, WE CAN BRING THIS ONE BACK TO YOU GUYS AT THE NEXT MEETING. SO WITH PHASE ONE, WELL HOW DID THAT LIKE GO SO SMOOTHLY THAT PHASE TWO IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED? SO PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, MY UNDERSTANDING THEY CAME IN TOWARDS THE MIDDLE OF PHASE TWO. I WASN'T HERE FOR PHASE ONE AT ALL. OKAY. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CITY DIDN'T DO RIGHT OF ENTRY. OKAY. SO PHASE ONE OR PHASE TWO, THEY JUST DID DOOR HANGERS AND SAID WE'RE COMING THROUGH AND WE'RE BUILDING THIS PROJECT. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT STAFF DID. AND THE CONSULTANT WENT OUT AND DID THE STAFF AND UM, I MEAN THERE WAS A LOT OF COORDINATION BECAUSE WE PRETEND THAT PEOPLE SPRINKLED AND THAT KIND OF THING. BUT IT WAS BASICALLY LIKE WE DIDN'T ASK FOR PERMISSION. WE WERE GONNA ASK FOR FORGIVENESS LATER I GUESS, KIND OF THING. AND SO WE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THAT PHASE ONE. THERE WERE, THERE WERE ISSUES WITH PEOPLE SAYING THAT WE TORE UP THEIR LANDSCAPING AND WE TORE UP THEIR SPRINKLERS AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. BUT WE WORKED WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO WE, THE, THE PEOPLE WHO WERE HERE AT THE TIME WORKED WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO GO BACK AND GET 'EM FIXED. OKAY. THIS TIME I WAS TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING THE WAY WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO IT AND GO AND GET THERE SHOULDN'T TO BE ON SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY. UM, AND I THINK THAT'S THE BIG HICCUP IS THAT I'VE ASKED FOR PERMISSION INSTEAD OF SAYING, WELL I'LL JUST ASK STUFF TO GET HIM SLEEP. GOT IT. BRING THAT ONE BACK. UH, THE OTHER ONE, UH, I WANTED TO UPDATE YOU ON A CR 1 32 OVERPASS. YOU GUYS KNOW THAT, UH, WE HAD KIND OF PUT THAT ONE QUASI ON HOLD BACK IN LIKE OCTOBER, NOVEMBER. UM, SO WE COULD START TALKING TO EVERYBODY ABOUT A POTENTIAL DESIGN CHANGE. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THOSE COORDINATION MEETINGS WITH UPRR AND TXDOT, UM, UPRR IS STAYING FIRM TO WHAT I TOLD YOU BACK IN OCTOBER, [00:10:01] WHICH IS IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS AT GRADE EXPANSION OF THE AT GRADE CROSSING, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GIVE UP MULTIPLE OTHER CROSSINGS. SO I FIGURE THAT THAT'S JUST SOMETHING FOR US TO NEGOTIATE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD ONCE WE KNOW THIS IS A VIABLE OPTION. TXDOT HAS COME IN AND SAID, WELL IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO A TRADITIONAL OVERPASS, THEN YOU HAVE TO DO THIS ICE ANALYSIS TO SHOW US WHY YOUR SOLUTION IS BETTER THAN OUR SOLUTION. SO THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. UH, GOT AN UPDATE FROM GARBER TODAY SAYING THAT, UH, THEY HAVE START, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE PRELIMINARY ICE ANALYSIS, UPDATING ALL THE TRAFFIC DATA, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, PRELIMINARY MODELING AND THAT THEY SHOULD BE GETTING AN UPDATE TO US, UH, EARLY NEXT WEEK SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROGRESS THAT THEY'RE MAKING. AND UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT'S AT. BUT RIGHT NOW, BASICALLY YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING, DESIGN, BID, CONSTRUCTION, COMPLETION, THAT'S ALL TBD BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS ICE ANALYSIS. WHAT'S ICE, ICE IS ACRONYM FOR, UH, INNOVATIVE CONSTRUCTION EVALUATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH, DON'T, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK IT UP AND GIVE YOU THE EXACT ACRONYM. BUT BASICALLY, UM, IT'S A WHOLE PROCESS THAT THEY GO THROUGH. THERE'S DIFFERENT SCENARIOS THAT THE CONSULTANT HAS TO PUT IN. THEY RUN ALL THE NUMBERS. IT BASICALLY SPITS BACK AND SAYS THESE ARE NO LONGER VIABLE OPTIONS AND YOU KEEP NARROWING IT DOWN UNTIL YOU GET TO LIKE THE FINAL ALTERNATIVE. UM, SO THAT'S THE PROCESS WE'RE GOING THROUGH. ONCE WE CAN CONVINCE TXDOT THAT OUR SOLUTION IS THE SOLUTION, THEN WE CAN GO START HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH UPRR. THE OTHER THING, UH, THAT I'LL JUST REMIND EVERYBODY IS THAT UH, THIS IS ALSO INVOLVES THE COUNTY BECAUSE ON THE UH, AREA OF 1 32 RIGHT HERE, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE WORKING ON THE PROJECT, THAT IS ACTUALLY THE MAJORITY OF IT IS ACTUALLY COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY. UM, SO I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD ISSUES RECENTLY WITH TRUCKS GETTING STUCK ON THE RAILROAD TRACKS AT 1 32 AND 79. AND SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT. BUT ALL OF THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE COORDINATION WITH TEXDOT IN THE COUNTY BECAUSE IT'S NOT OUR ROADWAY, IT'S NOT OUR RIGHT OF WAY. WE DON'T OWN THAT INTERSECTION. IT CAUSES THAT TO GO BACK TO US, I'M THOUGHT WE HAD ANNEX PROPERTY AROUND IT THAT THAT TRIGGERED IT TO COME INTO THE CITY. ONCE WE ANNEX PROPERTY THEN UM, WE WOULD OWN BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 79, WE HAVE NOT ANNEXED. UM, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE THE ENCORE PROPERTY, WHICH IS NOT ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. THEY WENT, DID ALL THEIR STUFF THROUGH THE COUNTY. AND THEN YOU HAVE, UM, A A VACANT TRACT THAT'S USED FOR FARMLAND THAT HAS NOT BEEN ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. SO BOTH SIDES OF 1 32 AND 79 HAVE NOT BEEN ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. SO ENCORE DIDN'T HAVE TO COME INTO THE CITY. NO. I THOUGHT THEY HAD TO COME IN AS PART OF THE DEAL TO GET THE, THE THE PROPERTY TAX ON THE IMPROVEMENTS. YEAH, THAT WAS A PART OF THE AGREEMENT WHEN THAT DEAL WAS SIGNED FOR THE SALE OF THAT LAND, ENCORE DIDN'T TALK TO US AT ALL, BUT I I MEAN THEY, NONE OF THEIR DESIGN, NONE OF DAN AT ALL. YOU'RE RIGHT MIKE, THAT WE, THAT PART OF THAT DEAL WITH BE LOTUS, THEY BUY THE PROPERTY ABOVE. 'CAUSE WE HAD THE OPTIONS ON THEM. AND SO GEORGE HAD IT WRITTEN IT WHEN THEY, THEY SOLD, WHEN WE SOLD THE OPTIONS OVER TO LET THEM BUY THE LAND FROM THE LANDOWNER THAT IT WAS VOLUNTARY, IT WAS, THEY HAD TO ANNEX AS PART OF THAT AGREEMENT. SO IT IS IN THE CITY LIMITS OR IT SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE. WE FOLLOW UP ON THAT. WE'LL HAVE TO, WE'LL HAVE TO DIG INTO THAT BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT I SEE, UM, ICES, INTERSECTION CONTROL, EVALUATION, UM, BUT EVERYTHING THAT, THAT, ALL OF THE DATA THAT I HAVE SAYS THAT NOTHING HAS BEEN ANNEXED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 1 32. SO WE DON'T OWN ANY OF THAT ROAD. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'LL WE'LL DIG IN AND MAKE SURE AND FIGURE OUT WHERE THE DISCONNECT IS. BUT UH, BASED ON THE DATA THAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T OWN THAT INTERSECTION. OKAY. WELL ENCORE AND THE PROLOG, BOTH OF THOSE ARE IN THE CITY ONE. I KNOW PROLOGIS IS, IS PART OF THE CITY THEY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE CITY SUPPOSED TO BE. IT'S PART OF THE AGREEMENT FOR THEM TO BUY THE PROPERTY. WELL SO I MEAN, 'CAUSE I WAS HERE FOR THEM DOING THEIR PLATING AND THEIR SITE DEVELOPMENT AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. UH, SO THIS BE AN ASSIGNMENT ASSUMPTION AGREEMENT THAT, UH, WE DID. BUT YEAH, YOU GUYS CAN CHECK ON THAT. IT MAY MAKE YOUR LIFE EASIER AND THEN BE A HEADACHE FOR LEGAL, I GUESS TO TRY TO GET THE NAX IN. YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO DIG INTO THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WHEN ENCORE DID THEIR DESIGN, THEY TOLD US THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANY CITY ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE CITY. UH, YEAH, THAT'S NOT TRUE. SO ANYWAY, HEY, GARBER'S LEADING THE, THIS LIKE PROJECT GARBER IS DOING THE 1 32 OVERPASS 79. YES. I DON'T THE ONE, WELL [00:15:01] JUST ONE LAST THING AS THING, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD VOLUNTARILY GIVE UP OTHER INTERSECTIONS IF IT, AT SOME POINT THIS IS GONNA TURN INTO AN OVERPASS, SO WHY WOULD WE GIVE UP ANOTHER ONE IF THIS IS ALREADY GOING TO BE CLOSED AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE? UH, BECAUSE THE, THE CURRENT CONCEPT IS NOT CLOSING THIS, IT'S ACTUALLY EXPANDING IT. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU JUST HAVE THE, THE NARROW THING AND SO, AND, AND UPRR IS JUST, THEY'RE, THEY WANNA GET RID OF AS MANY AT GRADE CROSSINGS AS THEY CAN. UM, AND SO BECAUSE WE'RE EXPANDING IT, THEY'RE SAYING, WELL IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GIVE UP THESE OTHER THINGS. AND SO, AND THERE'S MORE MEGA SITE. YEAH, SO I MEAN IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IN THAT WHOLE NEGOTIATION. I THINK THERE ARE SOME WIGGLE ROOM THERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH. UM, BUT THAT'S ASSUMING THAT WE CAN JUMP THROUGH ALL THE OTHER HOOPS TO EVEN GET TO THAT POINT. SO THAT, AND THEN, UM, I THINK THIS IS THE LAST ONE FOR THAT I HAD ON FOR UPDATE TONIGHT. INNOVATION AT LIMMER. WE ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGN COMPLETE. WE ACTUALLY FINISHED THE BIDDING AND WE ARE ACTUALLY, UH, BRINGING IT TO YOU GUYS TONIGHT FOR AWARD OF THAT INTERSECTION OUT THERE. OH, SORRY, ONE MORE VETERANS MEMORIAL. SO I KNOW IT'S KINDA HARD TO SEE 'CAUSE OF ALL THE MUD OUT THERE, BUT WE ARE ACTUALLY IN CONSTRUCTION. THEY STARTED WORKING ON THE MOCKUP OF THE WALL YESTERDAY. AND SO, UM, THAT ONE IS GOING BACK ON THAT PROJECT. THEY'RE PAYING CITY OF HOW TO PROPERTY TAXES. WHO ENCORE. THEY JUST PAID THEM A MONTH AGO. OKAY, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR THE CIP UPDATE PORTION. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE NEXT? OKAY, SO THEN DO, DO YOU DO THIS OR DO I JUST KEEP GOING BECAUSE THIS IS ACTUALLY A NEW ITEM ON THE AGENDA. YEAH, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE OTHER THAN DO YOU THINK IS THE BEST WAY TO GET THROUGH THIS. ALL RIGHT, SO ITEM THREE TWO IS OKAY, SORRY. ON THREE, TWO REAL QUICK. ITEM THREE, TWO [3.2. Consideration and possible action on finalizing the 5-Year CIP. (Matt Rector ] CONSIDERATION POST BOX ON FINALIZING THE FIVE YEAR. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UH, SO THIS ONE IS A FOLLOW UP TO THE MEETING THAT WE HAD FEBRUARY 1ST, UH, WHICH WAS A CIP CONVERSATION ON A SATURDAY HERE IN IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS. UH, AND THE, SOME OF THE COUNCIL WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND. SO THE GROUP THAT WAS HERE SAID, WELL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND PUT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TOGETHER AND THEN BRING IT BACK IN A WORK SESSION SO WE CAN CATCH EVERYBODY UP. AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE TALKING TO SEE HOW WE CAN FINALIZE THE FY UP THROUGH FY 29 CIP AND THEN, THEN I STILL HAVE TO TAKE THE FY 30 CIP TO P AND Z AND BRING THAT BACK TO YOU GUYS. SO, UM, JUST A REMINDER, FEBRUARY 1ST, 2025 WE HAD FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, PRESENT IN PERSON. UM, OUR FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE PRESENT AND IN PERSON ONE WAS VIRTUAL. UM, WE HAD SOME DELAYS AND WE HAD TWO ABSENT, UH, THE MEMBERS PRESENT DIRECTED THAT A WORK SESSION BE SCHEDULED TO ALLOW EVERYBODY TO GET CAUGHT UP ON WHAT WAS DISCUSSED. UH, SO WE FOCUSED ON THE INS SO WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT, UH, UTILITIES AND THE M AND O. UM, THE CONVERSATION SUGGESTED SHIFTING AVAILABLE FUNDS ON SOME PROJECTS TO OTHER PROJECTS BECAUSE OF THEY CAN HAPPEN FASTER OR THAT COUNCIL MAY THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THEM HAPPEN FASTER. UM, SO ONE OF THOSE THINGS WOULD BE LIKE DO IT GO AHEAD AND STARTING THE DESIGN ON THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING AND STARTING A PROGRAMMING AND PLANNING STUDY FOR OUR PARKS HEADQUARTERS. UH, PUSHING THE CR 1 32 PROJECT, WHICH WE JUST TALKED ABOUT OUT. UH, 'CAUSE WE WERE ORIGINALLY TARGETING TRYING TO GET THAT INTO CONSTRUCTION, UH, THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR. AND SO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUSHING THAT OUT TO 2029. UM, LAST YEAR DURING CIP CONVERSATION, WE HAD DECIDED TO ONLY FOCUS ON THE EXCHANGE AT LIVE OAK INTERSECTION AND THE SATURDAY CONVERSATION COUNCIL SAID, WELL, LET'S GO BACK TO LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF EXCHANGE. UM, AND THEN THEY TALKED ABOUT DELAYING CONSTRUCTION ON T 47 AND T 48 UNTIL 2027. THOSE WERE BOTH ORIGINALLY SLATE CONSTRUCTION IN 26. UH, WE ARE IN DESIGN ON BOTH OF THOSE RIGHT NOW. UM, AND SO PEDAL TO THE METAL IN ORDER TO GET US TO CONSTRUCTION IN 26 27 MAY BE A BETTER TIMELINE. UH, PUSHING TWO T 28 2 65, UM, OUT TO UH, 2029. THAT'S THE CR 1 32 [00:20:01] PROJECTS. UH, CAVEAT BEING THAT ON THE ONE ON THE LEFT THAT A T 28 HAS ACTUALLY BEEN BROKEN INTO DIFFERENT PROJECTS. SO THAT MAP IS A LITTLE MISLEADING BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE DESIGN FOR THAT. UH, I DUNNO IF YOU GUYS CAN SEE MY CURSOR VERY WELL, BUT THIS DIAGONAL PIECE RIGHT HERE IS IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW. THE REST OF THIS IS NOT BEING DESIGNED YET. UH, AND THEN DELAYED CONSTRUCTION OF ALLIANCE UNTIL 2029, DELAYED CONSTRUCTION OF INNOVATION UNTIL 2029. UM, ALLIANCE IS IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW. INNOVATION HAS NOT STARTED DESIGN AND THEN PULL THE DESIGN OF FM 1616 NORTH NEAR THE SCHOOL CAMPUS UP TO 2026. 'CAUSE WE ORIGINALLY WERE TALKING ABOUT BOOKING IT 16 NORTH IN THAT ENTIRE AREA IN LIKE 2020. AND SO THE COUNCIL THOUGHT THAT WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL GOING FROM A NINTH GRADE CAMPUS TO A FULL HIGH SCHOOL WITH THE, UH, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL COMING ONLINE, UM, THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC UP THERE. YOU ALSO HAVE THAT MAIN HIPPO IS GONNA CONNECT ALL THE WAY TO 1 33. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A, ANOTHER INCREASE IN TRAFFIC. SO PRIORITIZING JUST THE INTERSECTION PORTION OF THAT PROJECT TO GO AHEAD AND START THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH TEXDOT AND GET THAT GOING. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE WAS THE, UH, FRONTAGE ROADS FOR SH ONE 30 AT LEAST GETTING THEIR BALL ROLLING ON THE TXDOT STUDIES THAT HAVE TO BE DONE. AND SO PULLING THOSE INTO 2026 AND THEN, UM, ADDING A CARL STERN FM 6 85 INTERSECTION, WHICH WOULD BEGIN DESIGN IN 2026 THAT'S RIGHT THERE BY THE HIGH SCHOOL. UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WAS DISCUSSED THEN. UH, I'M GONNA JUMP OVER TO THE SPREADSHEET. UM, AND JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, UM, THE SPREADSHEET THAT WE HAD BEEN USING, WHICH WAS KIND OF CUMBERSOME AND COMPLICATED AND HAD A LOT OF HIDDEN CELLS AND A LOT OF BELLS AND WHISTLES IN IT WAS ORIGINALLY NOT DESIGNED TO BE SHARED AND MANIPULATED LIVE. UM, AND SO WE TRIED TO SIMPLIFY IT A LITTLE BIT BASED ON THINGS THAT WE HAD SEEN TRYING TO BE DONE IN THE MEETINGS. SO THIS IS THE SIMPLER VERSION. YOU STILL HAVE THE INS TAB. YOU STILL HAVE THE UTILITIES TAB FOR YOUR M AND O. UM, WE ALSO, UH, HAVE THE SKYBOX STUFF AND BASED ON COUNCIL DIRECTION, WE HAVE NOW BROKEN IT OUT WITHOUT SKYBOX AND WITH SKYBOX. SO YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCES THERE IF YOU KEEP SKYBOX IN WITH THE REST OF THE CITY VERSUS IF YOU TAKE IT OUT AND KEEP IT AS A SEPARATE POOL OF MONEY TO USE FOR WHATEVER PROJECTS YOU DETERMINE. UM, I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD. SO IT SAYS LIKE, UM, N 13 WITHOUT SKYBOX $3 AND 13 CENTS WITH SKYBOX THREE 12. SO IT WOULD ADD THREE 12 TO THE THREE 13 FOR A TOTAL OF 6 25? NO. SO IF YOU, IF YOU KEEP THE SKYBOX AND, AND KEEP IN MIND THAT IT'S ONLY IN FY 26, IT'S ONLY $24 MILLION, BUT IF YOU KEEP SKYBOX IN THE POOL OF MONEY RIGHT, JUST AS PART OF THE GENERAL FUND, THEN IT WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TAX INCREASE ON EVERYBODY ELSE. OH, I WAS READING THAT BACK BY THAT AMOUNT. THAT'S THE SO THE INCREASE WOULD GO DOWN, THAT'S WHY IT'S LOWER. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. ALRIGHT. SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT IS THAT THE FULL SKY BOX MONEY OR IS THAT AFTER THE 50 PERCENT'S BEEN TAKEN OFF BECAUSE 50 PERCENT'S AN INCENTIVE. SO WE ONLY GET 50% OF THE MONEY. I DON'T KNOW. THESE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT, THAT JAMES HAD BUILT INTO THAT THAT THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET CLARIFICATION ON. THAT'S ONE, THAT'S ONE ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED. YEAH. AND IT SHOULD BE JUST THE 50% BECAUSE WE'RE NOT COLLECTING A HUNDRED PERCENT AND GIVING 50 BACK. WE'RE ONLY COLLECTING 50. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ASPECTS TO IT, RIGHT? THE TURS IS THE PHYSICAL PROPERTY. YEAH. AND THAT WE COLLECT AND GIVE BACK, I BELIEVE, DON'T WE THAT? NO, I THINK THAT'S YOU COLLECT THE FULL THING AND THEN YOU REBATE IT BACK. YEAH, BECAUSE THIS WASN'T A REBATE. THIS WAS A, IT'S A REBATE BUSINESS. PERSONAL PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT. BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY DOESN'T GO THROUGH THE CHURCH. SO THEY GO THROUGH TWO DIFFERENT AVENUES. SO I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE BOTH TREATED THE SAME. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND FULLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING HERE. YEAH, YEAH. THE BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY SHOULD BE AN ABATEMENT, WHICH YES, THAT IS SO THAT THEY JUST CAN CHARGE THINGS. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'D BE GOOD TO. SO I MEAN, I DON'T HOLD ME TO THIS. I THINK JAMES MAY HAVE ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR THE 50%, BUT I CAN'T GIVE IT TO YOU THAT FINE. WE CAN CONFIRM. UM, BUT SO LITTLE SIMPLER FORMAT. UH, WE'VE ADDED IN THE 2025 PARK HEADQUARTERS PROJECT, YOU CAN SEE, UM, THAT WE WE'RE BALL PARKING THERE 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT EVEN JUST THE STUDY, RIGHT? IT IS JUST LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH THE PD AND WITH [00:25:01] EVERYBODY ELSE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PROGRAM LOOKS LIKE FOR PARKS IN THE LONG RUN SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY PLAN OUT A BUILDING THAT'S GONNA HOLD US FOR A LITTLE WHILE. UM, AND THEN WE ADDED THE DESIGN OF THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY TO START IN 2025. WE PUSHED OUT THE FEASIBILITY STUDIES FOR THE REC CENTER, THE AQUATIC CENTER AND THE DOWNTOWN, UH, SORRY FOR THE LIBRARY, THE REC CENTER AND THE AQUATIC CENTER PUSHED THOSE OUT INTO 2026 BECAUSE THIS MONEY IS ALREADY AVAILABLE. AND SO WE WERE USING IT TO HELP TRY TO FUND THESE THINGS. UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT DOESN'T ADD UP TO AN EQUAL AMOUNT, BUT THIS IS WHAT COUNCIL DIRECTED THAT SATURDAY FOR US TO PUT IT IN HERE SO WE COULD SEE ALL THE NUMBERS AND THEN YOU GUYS COULD PROVIDE FEEDBACK FROM THERE. AND I'M TRYING TO FLY THROUGH THIS AS QUICK AS I CAN'T SEE YOU GUYS GONNA HAVE TIME TO TALK. UM, WE SHIFTED, WE DIDN'T SHIFT ANY MARKET PROJECTS THAT I REMEMBER. UH, SO WE'VE SHIFTED THINGS AROUND. THE OTHER THING, AND I KNOW I'M THROWING A LOT AT YOU GUYS, THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER IS WE'VE APPROVED A LOT OF NEW MASTER PLANS. SO, AND PART OF THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN BECAUSE OF STATE LAW IS THAT IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ASK FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY, IT HAS TO BE IN A FUNDED PLAN. AND SO YOU'LL SEE IF YOU GO THROUGH THIS LIST COMPARED TO THE OLD LISTS FROM 2024 WHEN WE DID THE CIP, YOU'LL SEE THAT SOME OF THESE PROJECTS ARE DIFFERENT. SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE JUST GONE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT EVEN ON OUR MASTER PLAN THAT YOU GUYS APPROVE ANYMORE. UM, AND SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHY SOME OF THESE PROJECTS JUST DISAPPEARED IF YOU'RE LOOKING FROM THE OLD SPREADSHEET TO THE NEW SPREADSHEET. BUT EVEN IN SAYING THAT WITH PROJECTS DISAPPEARING, IT DOESN'T HELP YOU FROM AN OVERALL FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE AS ALBERTA'S STARING ME WITH DERS . UM, AND SO, UM, LET'S SEE, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHICH ALL THEY WERE. SO ADDING IN THE FULL EXCHANGE, WE GOT THAT IN 25, BUT YOU'D ALSO SEE THAT WE ADDED MONEY BACK IN, IN 26 AND 27. UM, WE'RE AT LIKE 60% DESIGN ON THE INTERSECTION RIGHT NOW AND WE WOULD HAVE TO SPOOL UP AND GET THINGS GOING IF, IF COUNCIL DOES DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GO BACK TO DOING FROM 79 ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SCHOOL STARTING NEXT YEAR. UH, WE HAVE, WE PUSHED, UH, THE INNOVATION EXPANSION INTO 26. WE'VE GOT THE FRONTAGE ROAD TO START THE STUDY IN 26, UH, ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD, UHHUH . SO THAT'S LIKE A WHOLE STUDY THAT'S DONE THROUGH TECH STOP. RIGHT? IS THERE A REASON WHY WE CAN'T GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED ON DESIGN OR WHAT, HOW DOES THAT LIKE INFLUENCE I GUESS POTENTIAL DESIGN OR IS IT SEPARATE? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY ONE'S LIKE A CASH MONEY TRANSACTION VERSUS . SO OR HOW DO THEY WORK TOGETHER? DO, SO YOU DO THE STUDY FIRST AND THEN BASICALLY SAY THAT IN ORDER FOR US TO, IT'S CENTRAL WHOLE AUTHORITY OR WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLED, UM, THEY SAY IN ORDER FOR YOU TO DO A PROJECT LIKE THIS, YOU HAVE TO CUT US A CHECK BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA LOSE THIS AMOUNT OF REVENUE. MM-HMM . SO ONCE YOU HAVE THAT, YOU ENTER INTO YOUR ADVANCED FUNDING AGREEMENT WITH TEXT STOCK, WHICH YOU HAVE TO DO ON EVERY TEXTILE PROJECT. AND THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IS INCLUDED IN THAT A FA, THEN THAT'S WHEN, THAT'S WHEN TEXTILE WILL EVENTUALLY ALLOW YOU TO START DOING DESIGN AND DOING ALL THOSE THINGS. AND SO YOU WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS. UM, WE HAVE SOME PRIVATE DEVELOPERS UP ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT ARE WORKING THROUGH IT, BUT THEY USE A, UM, DONATION AGREEMENT. IT'S KIND OF LIKE AN AFA MM-HMM . BUT THEY'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE TOTAL AUTHORITY DESIGN, UH, PROCESS AND THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN TALKING TO TDOT. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALREADY FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD. BUT THAT'S GENERALLY HOW THAT PROCESS PLAYS OUT. SO WE CAN'T, I MEAN WE, WE COULD JUMP INTO DESIGN YEAH. BUT WE WOULDN'T KNOW ALL OF THE INS AND OUTS OF WHAT TEXTILES GONNA THROW AT US. GOT IT. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND, SO DID THEY DETERMINE WHAT THE ACCESS ROAD LOOKS LIKE? NO, NOT THE TOOL AUTHORITY DOESN'T, YEAH. UM, I MEAN THAT'S KIND OF A STANDARD THING. YEAH. THE TOLL AUTHORITY IS MORE OF WE'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA COST US THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY SO YOU HAVE TO PAY US MM-HMM . WHICH WE'RE AGREEABLE TO, RIGHT. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT. RIGHT. AND SO YEAH. WITH TDO THAT'S GENERALLY, SO I KEEP SAYING GENERALLY A LOT, TEXT DOESN'T REALLY COMMIT TO ANYTHING EVER THAT I'VE SEEN. UM, LIKE I'VE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM THIS WEEK ABOUT THAT. BUT UM, [00:30:03] GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY WANT US TO HAVE CLEARED ALL THE HURDLES BEFORE WE GET INTO START TALKING DETAILED DESIGN AND ALL THAT. MM-HMM . AND UNTIL WE HAVE THAT A FA IN PLACE, THEY TYPICALLY WON'T EVEN DO REVIEWS OF OUR DESIGNS BECAUSE WE CAN'T REALLY MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THEY REQUIRE THE 30, 60 MILLION PROCESS. OKAY. GOT IT. YEAH, I JUST WAS THINKING THAT MAYBE WE CAN KINDA MOVE IT TOGETHER LIKE IN TANDEM KIND OF, OR NOT NECESSARILY, BUT JUST KIND OF A LITTLE BIT CLOSER IN TIMELINE INSTEAD OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, CHECK BOX NUMBER ONE. OKAY. NUMBER TWO, NOW WE'RE ON TO THE NEXT SPACE. I MEAN, I, I CAN CHECK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY WIGGLE ROOM THERE BECAUSE I MEAN WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FORK OUT MONEY. IT'S JUST ALL ABOUT THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BILL, RIGHT? SO HAS THE TOLL ROAD AUTHORITY JUST CHANGED ALL THEIR BILLING STUFF? NOT FROM US. DO WE HAVE TO NOW GO AND WORK WITH THE OTHER TAXING AUTHORITY THAT'S NOW OVER THE, THE ROADS? 'CAUSE CENTRAL TEXAS GAVE IT UP. YEAH. SO THEY'RE USING THE HARRIS COUNTY COUNTY. YEAH. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF BY CHANGING THE TOLL AUTHORITY THEY CHANGE 'CAUSE IT, THE TOLL AUTHORITY ISN'T, THEY HAVE A THIRD PARTY THAT DOES ALL OF THEIR ANALYSIS FOR IT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT THIRD PARTY HAS CHANGED OR NOT, BUT I CAN, I CAN JUMP THROUGH ALL THOSE. WE ABOUT START THIS AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, THAT PROCESS IS NOW THE OTHER. YEAH. HOW DO THEY CALCULATE THE COST IF THEY DON'T USE US? I CAN RUN THROUGH ALL THOSE UH, TRAPS. BUT THAT'S IF COUNSEL ACTUALLY DECIDES THAT THIS IS THE PATH YOU GUYS WANNA STAY ON. UM, SO WE'VE GOT THE SECTION OF 1 32 THAT'S OUT THERE. UM, YOU CAN SEE WE PUSHED OUT THE LIMMER LOOP ITEMS. THAT'S THE EXPANSION. THE EXPANSION. SO I KNOW WE JUST STARTED DESIGN ON THAT. WHAT IS THE TIMELINE OF FINISHING THE DESIGN? WELL, I, WHEN WE, THIS IS TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS. TWO DIFFERENT DESIGNERS, 2D SECTIONS. TWO DIFFERENT ENGINEERING FIRMS. YEAH. ENGINEERING. BUT I TOLD THEM BOTH WHEN WE NEGOTIATED THEIR CONTRACTS THAT WE NEEDED TO BE IN CONSTRUCTION BY OCTOBER OF 25. SO THAT WAS THEIR TIMELINE TO GO FROM OCTOBER OF 24 TO OCTOBER 25 FOR DESIGN. OKAY. THEN OCTOBER 25 TO START CONSTRUCTION. SO, UM, PUSHING IT OUT JUST DID SLOW DOWN THEIR DESIGN PROCESS. NOW I CAN'T GUARANTEE YOU THEY'RE GONNA HIT THAT TIMELINE, BUT THAT'S WHAT I TOLD 'EM I WANTED TO DO. YEAH. UM, THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT WE ADDED IN 26, WHICH IS THE CARL STERN 6 85 OR CARL STERN. CHRIS KELLY, UM, INTERSECTION. YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT 526. AND JUST AGAIN, BECAUSE WE WERE, THIS WAS NOT ON ANY MASTER PLAN, IT WAS NOT ON ANYBODY'S RADAR. SO IT WAS JUST THROW A NUMBER DOWN AND MOVE FORWARD. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. AND OBVIOUSLY THOSE NUMBERS WOULD GET REFINED AS WE GET FURTHER ALONG IN THE PROCESS. UM, THOSE WERE REALLY ALL THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE THAT, UH, JUMP BACK TO THE PRESENTATION. IF YOU REMINDED OF EVERYTHING THAT WE SHIFTED AROUND. UM, AND JAMES IS HERE NOW SO HE CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT YOU HAD. COUNCILMAN HORTON , HAVE YOU ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR THE, THE FEW PERCENT? UM, IN THIS POPULATION? YEAH. YES. I'M AWARE THAT 50% OF IT'S TIED UP IN THE TAR IS NOT AVAILABLE. SO, AND THE 50%, UM, ABATEMENT FROM THE PERSONAL PROPERTY, UM, 50% OF 50%, WELL 50% OF THE REAL PROPERTY GOES TO THE TURS. 50 50% OF THE BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY IS ABATED. AND NEVER, NEVER, I I DID A 50% 'CAUSE I DIDN'T CALCULATE FOR WHAT WAS GOING INTO TURS. I JUST DID 50% OF THE WHOLE NUMBER OF THE WHOLE NUMBER, WHICH SHOULD ACCOUNT FOR BOTH. SO WHEN IT SAYS HOW MUCH IS ADDED, THAT'S 50% OF THE ACTUAL VALUE. IF IT, IF THAT NUMBER IS NOT 50%, IT'S BUILT INTO THE FORMULA THAT DOES THE ACTUAL CALCULATION AND THE IMPACT. OKAY. 'CAUSE I WENT WITH THE, UH, SCHEDULE THAT THEY GAVE AND THEN I REDUCED 50% THE IMPACT OF THE, OF THE TAXABLE EVALUATION. SO ONE ADVANTAGE, ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT TO THIS COUNCIL GOING FORWARD THAT Y'ALL NEED TO HAVE IS PART OF THIS IN YOUR CALCULATION SO YOU DON'T SCREW YOURSELVES OVER ALL THIS IS ASSUMING YOU'RE KEEPING A BASE TAX RATE OF 39, BUT SALES TAX REVENUE IS GROWING EVERY YEAR. SO NEXT YEAR WHEN YOU KNOW YOUR REVENUE RATES 36, HOW MANY MILLIONS ARE YOU DROPPING OFF FROM JUST THE SKY BOX EVERY YEAR? BECAUSE YOU DO KNOW ANY REVENUE, YOU ALREADY LOST A MILLION AND A HALF [00:35:01] FROM WHAT WE DID THIS YEAR. SO JUST WANT TO POINT OUT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GOING IT FORWARD, YOU'RE LOSING A MILLION AND A HALF NOW IN PERPETUITY AND THEN IF NEXT YEAR YOU DROPPED 3 CENTS, YOU DROPPED ANOTHER MILLION AND A HALF AND THEN WHAT YOU THINK YOU HAVE, YOUR MONEY THAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON ALL YOUR STUFF IS GONE. SO BECAUSE YOU'RE MORE SHIFTING MORE TO SALES TAX, WHICH IS NOT SAYING THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE THING TO DO, BUT THE THING IS HALF YOUR TAX BASE, YOU'RE GIVING A HUGE DISCOUNT EVERY YEAR. SO JUST, JUST WANT THAT TO BE AWARE WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR SPREADSHEETS THAT YOU CAN BE LOOKING AT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU JUST SAID, BUT THAT'S PRETTY SCARY IF YOU DON'T, THE REASON I SAY THAT IS I THINK I'M SAYING IS WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME. SO I DON'T WANNA DEBATE THAT. NO REVENUE OR NOT NO REVENUE. WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON IS WHAT PROJECTS WE'RE GONNA DO WHEN WE'RE GONNA DO THEM. AND THEN WORK TO SEE IF WE CAN FUND THEM. IF WE START GETTING INTO WHAT WE'RE, HOW WE'RE GONNA BUDGET SOMETHING SIX MONTHS FROM NOW. I DON'T KNOW, I THINK, I DON'T THINK WE, I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT NO NEW REVENUE IS. I DON'T THINK THEY UNDERSTAND THE TA IMPLICATIONS. THEY MAKE STATEMENTS THAT THINGS ARE GONNA LOSE MONEY. WE'RE JUST GETTING OFF THE, AT SOME POINT MATT NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT PROJECTS TO BE FOCUSED ON AND WHAT PROJECTS NOT TO FOCUS ON. AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE TELLING 'EM THAT YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON $1,074 MILLION IN PROJECTS AND SO THE GUY'S GONNA QUIT US ONE DAY BECAUSE WE WON'T MAKE A DECISION ON SOMETHING. LET'S NOT DEBATE ANY REVENUE TONIGHT THAT, SO I'LL JUMP BACK OVER HERE, UH, BECAUSE THE PURPOSE OF THIS PORTION WAS JUST TO SEE IF THERE WAS CONSENSUS AMONGST THE ENTIRE COUNCIL ON WHAT CAME OUT OF THE FEBRUARY 1ST MEETING. AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE. MY ONLY, MY ONLY CONCERN ON THE PLAN, EVERYTHING LOOKED GOOD. MY ONLY CONCERN IS, AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, ACCELERATING THE ONE GOING BY THE HIGH SCHOOL, BUT ALL OF THESE PROJECTS, A LOT OF 'EM THAT YOU'RE DELAYING HAVE WE BASED IT ON CURRENT TRAFFIC COUNTS? IF THAT'S ACTUALLY THE RIGHT, WE REMOVING SOME AMOUNT 'CAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO HIT A DOLLAR AMOUNT AND VERSUS DESIGN TIME. BUT NOT NECESSARILY WHAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE, I WOULD THINK THE BEST ONES YOU DO IS WHAT ACTUALLY WILL ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC THE HAVE THE MOST IMPACT PER DOLLAR RATIO TO BE SPENT. 'CAUSE WE GOT MORE PROJECTS THAN WE CAN SPEND. SO WHAT WE WANNA DO IS DO THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA HELP THE TRAFFIC THE MOST. SO IF YOU LOOKED AT JUST FROM A FINANCIAL TIMEFRAME VERSUS WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY MOVE THE CITY THE BEST IN THE WHEN WITH THE FUNDS WE HAVE AND THAT, THAT SHOULD BE THE PRIORITIZED LIST, WHICH IS MORE OF AN ENGINEERING QUESTION THAN A COUNCIL POLICY DECISION. BUT THE COUNCIL POLICY IS HEY, LET'S MAKE THE THE TRAFFIC MOVE AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN YOU SAY, OKAY, IF WE DID THIS ROAD, THIS ROAD AND THIS INTERSECTION IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS THAT WILL GIVE US THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK. THAT'S WHAT I WANT US TO DO. NOT WHAT WE POLICY THINK OF. OH I THINK THIS ONE'S HERE. I WANT IT BASED ON DATA. I WISH YOU WERE AT THAT MEETING. THAT'S WHAT WE DID. OKAY. YOU MISSED A VERY IMPORTANT MEETING. WE DIDN'T MOVE PROJECTS AROUND AS I REMEMBER BASED ON DOLLARS. WE LITERALLY SAT BACK AND SAID, OKAY, LIMMER LOOP FOR EXAMPLE, UH, MAKING STUFF UP. MATT'S SAYING LOOK, WE CAN'T EVEN GET A DESIGN UNTIL THE END OF 25 AND AT THE EARLIEST WE CAN GET A CONSTRUCTION IS LIKE Q2 OF 26. SO LET'S MOVE THAT OUT OF 25. AND SINCE THE DESIGN IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE, WE STARTED BREAKING STUFF UP. AM I RIGHT IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN WON'T BE COMPLETE UNTIL 26, SO LET'S NOT BUDGET TO CONSTRUCTION IN 26, LET'S BUDGET IN 27. AND THAT'S WHEN WE CAME UP WITH LIKE 1 37 AND 1660. WE SAID, I'M GETTING MY NUMBERS ALL MIXED UP. 1 63, CAN WE MOVE 1 63 UP AND BUILD THAT TODAY AND 1660. AND SO EVERYTHING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE SPENT A WHOLE FREAKING SATURDAY DOING THAT. I UNDERSTAND. I WAS JUST SAYING YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND 'CAUSE YOU SAID WHAT YOU WANT IS WHAT WE ALREADY DID AND YOU DON'T WANT US DOING IT BY MONEY. AND WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS WE, MONEY WAS A PART OF IT, BUT WE WENT THROUGH PROJECT BY PROJECT. WHAT CAN LITERALLY IS SHOVEL READY CAN BE DONE WHAT IS CURRENTLY DESIGNED THAT CAN BE READY TO BE SHOVEL READY IN EACH YEAR. AND THEN THAT'S AS I REMEMBER, THAT'S A LOT OF HOW WE DID IT. AND THEN YOU JUST MADE A STATEMENT THAT WE HAVE 1.6 BILLION AND WE GOTTA CUT IT DOWN EVEN MORE. WHAT WE CAN DO FOR WHAT WE CAN AFFORD. WHAT I'M SAYING IS ONCE YOU GET THINGS, ONCE YOU HAVE THINGS DESIGNED MOVING UP WHICH THING YOU DESIGN OR WHATEVER, BUT I'M SAYING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO OUT PER BOND FOR MORE ROAD MONEY. YOU'RE GONNA AFFECT YOUR INS RATE. SO WHEN THAT HAPPENS, IT SHOULD BE WHATEVER THE BEST, NOT JUST THAT, OH WE CAN GET THIS ONE DESIGNED QUICKER, BUT I'M SAYING WHAT ALLEVIATES THE TRAFFIC THE BEST. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT STAFF AND ENGINEERING HAD THAT DATA READY. THAT WAS WAS JUST A QUESTION. NO, YOU DON'T KNOW. YOU WEREN'T THERE. BUT WE WELL I, TO BE FAIR, I THINK IT'S A FAIR QUESTION FOR HIM TO AT LEAST ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE HE WASN'T THERE. AND SO I THINK IT'S FAIR FOR HIM TO JUST SAY, HEY, DID YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE MOBILITY OR JUST THE MONEY? AND [00:40:01] I THINK AN ANSWER BACK OF YEAH, WE TOOK IN, WE TOOK THAT INTO ACCOUNT. I MEAN I I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED TO BE ARGUING . IT WAS A QUESTION. YEAH. WE TOOK THAT INTO ACCOUNT, WHICH I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T THINK IT AS A QUESTION. I TOOK IT AS THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS NEED TO DO AND NOT BE WORRYING ABOUT MONEY. AND I'M LIKE, THAT'S WHAT WE DID DO IS I HEARD IT AS A QUESTION. SO, SO I'LL I'LL JUMP INTO THESE WATERS I GUESS A LITTLE BIT. SO TO BE FAIR, , WE WE, WE DID NOT BASE IT ON ANY TRANSPORTATION MODELING, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS YOUR QUESTION. YES. WHAT WE BASE IT ON WAS BASED ON MY BEST ESTIMATE ON WHEN WE COULD GET PROJECTS ACTUALLY IN THE GROUND GOING. RIGHT. SO THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU JUST ON. YOU CAN'T DO MODELING RANDALL, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO A-A-T-I-A OF THE ENTIRE CITY AND GO OKAY, BASED ON THIS. I MEAN LISTEN, WHAT HE'S SAYING IS IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE READY. WE, WE DIDN'T DO A, WE WE DON'T HAVE A STUDY TO GO, OKAY, WE NEED TO DROP EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING AND HIT THIS PROJECT OVER HERE. WHAT HE'S GOING THROUGH AND WHAT WE DID IS, IS THESE FIVE PROJECTS CAN BE DONE IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS. ARE THERE ANY OF 'EM THAT YOU GUYS DON'T WANNA DO? OR SHOULD WE KEEP FOCUSING ON THIS? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE COULD BE MOVING UP? I MEAN, WE'RE TAKING, UH, AN ENGINEERS WHO STUDIED THE TIAS WE'RE TAKING HIS INPUT ON I I DON'T KNOW WHY I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ARGUING ABOUT SOMETHING WHERE YOU WEREN'T THERE AND I THINK WE DID A HELL OF A LOT OF WORK. AND THEN I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING SECOND GUESSED WHERE WE DID WHAT YOU WERE ASKED TO DO. YEAH. SO I, SO I GAVE THE COUNCIL MY BEST IDEA OF WHEN I THOUGHT EACH PROJECT WOULD START AND THEN WE TALKED THROUGH DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO SLOW THIS ONE DOWN AND SPEED THIS ONE LIKE THE 1 37, 1 63. RIGHT. THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE COUNCIL WAS CONCERNED THAT I WAS GONNA DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. WHICH HONESTLY WE COULD'VE BEEN, WE COULD'VE ENDED UP IN THAT 'CAUSE I'VE GOT A MILLION THINGS GOING ON, BUT, UM, AND SO IT MAKES SENSE TO SLOW ONE OF THEM DOWN AND TRY TO SPEED ONE OF THEM UP. AND SINCE 1 63 IS COMPLETELY IN OUR CONTROL AND 1 37 IS NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE IN OUR CONTROL, IT MAKES SENSE IF WE CAN SLOW THIS ONE DOWN TO SPEED THAT ONE UP. SO THAT'S THE KIND OF BACK AND FORTH THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT DAY, BUT IT DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH TRAFFIC MODELS OR ANYTHING WHERE, WHERE DO WE SEE THE MOST TRAFFIC COMING AND ALL THAT. WE DIDN'T. SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION. IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD ADD AS YOU GO FORWARD TO REFINE THIS OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS YEAR? BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A ONE YEAR SNAPSHOT. AND I THINK HAVING TRANSPORTATION MODEL AS PART OF THE DECISION MAKING IS GOING TO HELP THIS COUNCIL MAKE IT DATA BASED. THAT WAS MY MY POINT IN QUESTION. SO YEAH. BUT THERE'S THERE, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE ON COUNCIL THAT ARE VERY DATA DRIVEN. THERE ARE OTHERS THAT ARE NOT. RIGHT. SO THAT'S KIND LIKE THE BEAUTY OF THINGS, RIGHT? AND SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE WHOLE ROAD MAINTENANCE, LIKE IF YOU WANNA JUST FOLLOW THE ROAD MAINTENANCE PLAN, THAT'S ALL DATA, DA DA WHICH YOU KNOW, WHAT ROADS YOU SHOULD FOCUS ON, WHICH ONES YOU SHOULD NOT WHAT'S WORTH IT, THE MONEY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S LIKE SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO PUT IT INTO LIKE JUST THE AREA THAT'S, YOU KNOW, RUN DOWN, RIGHT? THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. RIGHT. SO THERE, THERE HAS TO BE SOME FLEXIBILITY. 'CAUSE IF YOU JUST DO DATA, SORRY MATT, UM, IT'S JUST, YEAH, YOU'LL NEVER FOR ME. IT DOESN'T FOR ME IT DOESN'T WORK. YOU'LL NEVER BE LIVE. I'M NOT A DATA DRIVEN PERSON BECAUSE IF YOU GO STRICTLY BY DATA AND ROAD USAGE, LIVE OAK IS NEVER GONNA MEASURE LIKE EVERY OTHER ROAD IN THE CITY IS. AND SO THEN, THEN THEY NEVER GET DONE. THEN WE'RE NOT DOING ANY WORK IN OLD TOWN, WHICH IS NOT WHAT OUR DIRECTION HAS BEEN. SO I THINK TO WHAT AMBER COUNCILOR KOHL ARE SAYING, BUT CAN WE, TO THIS POINT, CAN WE GO THROUGH AND YES, THANK YOU SOMEHOW FIGURE OUT THE WHOLE CITY, LIKE BASED ON THE DATA TO WHERE IT SPITS OUT YOU SHOULD GO DO THIS ROAD. DID YOU REFERENCE THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN AND SOME OF THIS EVERY, SO EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE DOING CAME WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ONE THAT WE ADDED, WHICH WAS THE CARL STAR AND CHRIS KELLY. MM-HMM . THOSE WERE PROJECTS THAT WERE ALREADY LISTED IN THE MASTER PLAN THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN APPROVED. SO I DID NOT REMOVE ANY PROJECTS THAT WERE ALREADY WORKING ON 'CAUSE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN MADE SENSE. BUT ANY PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE NOT STARTED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM THAT CAME OUT OF THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN, I REPLACED THOSE WITH PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN. BUT THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN IS NOT A ROBUST MODEL OF ALL TRANSPORTATION IN THE CITY. THEY TOOK SPECIFIC POINTS AND USED TEXT DATA TO SUPPLEMENT TO GET IDEAS OF WHERE WE'RE SEEING THE LARGEST JUMPS IN TRAFFIC. AND SO, UM, SO CAN YOU DO WHAT HE'S SUGGESTING, LIKE SOMEHOW GET A ANALYSIS ENTIRE CITY'S ROAD SYSTEM TO WHERE WE CAN FROM A DATA STANDPOINT? WELL, I'M, I'M WORKING ON THAT. SO YOU'LL SEE AN ITEM TONIGHT ON THE REGULAR SESSION AS TO AWARD A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT CONTRACT TO LJA. UM, AND THAT WE, WE HAD THAT IN THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR TO DO START DOING TRAFFIC BECAUSE MY CONVERSATION WITH CITY MANAGER LAST [00:45:01] YEAR WAS, WE'RE ONLY A FEW YEARS OUT FROM THE NEXT CENSUS AT THAT TIME. IT'S HIGHLY LIKELY THAT WE'RE GONNA EXCEED THE 50,000 POINT AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE OVER THE TRAFFIC ANYWAY. SO LET'S START WORKING THAT WAY NOW BECAUSE WE KIND OF GET OUR FEET UNDER US VERSUS WAITING UNTIL, OH, NOW YOU HAVE TO DO IT ALL AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT. IT COULD BE SPLIT. SO, UM, BUT IT'S NOT A ROBUST MODEL OF THE ENTIRE CITY. SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE TONIGHT IS A CONTRACT FOR, I THINK IT'S LIKE $50,000 AND THAT'S THE STUDY LIKE THE NORTHERN PORTION, LIKE LIMMER LOOP FROM I THINK 1660 TO ONE 30. AND FROM LIMMER LOOP ALONG EDGE SCHMIDT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 79, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE SIGNALS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO COORDINATE ALL OF THAT LOOKING AT TRAFFIC COUNTS. SO MY CONVERSATION WITH CITY MANAGERS, I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AND WE HAVE THE SYSTEM TO BE ABLE TO CONSTANTLY GIVE YOU GUYS UPDATES ON WHERE WE'RE SEEING GROWTH IN TRAFFIC. RIGHT NOW WE ARE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR BEING AT THAT POINT. I CAN PULL TIAS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN VARIOUS AREAS AND TELL YOU WHAT THE TIA THEY'RE PROJECTING. BUT AS FAR AS HAVING A ROBUST DETAILED MODEL THAT SAYS THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA GET THE BIGGEST RELIEF IN YOUR TRAFFIC CONGESTION, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF DATA TODAY. WHAT IS THE, WHAT'S THE COST TO DO THE ENTIRE CITY, NOT JUST THE PARAMETERS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED. UM, I A LOT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND LOTS OF MANPOWER AND COMPUTER POWER. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD GET JUST TO BALLPARK IT? I MEAN I CAN, I CAN CHECK WITH, WITH LJA AND SEE HOW MUCH THAT THEY THINK IT WOULD COST US TO DO THAT KIND OF THING. I MEAN, SO PART OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS NOT ONLY DOING AN ANALYSIS, BUT THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHERE ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS THAT I'VE ALREADY SAID WE NEED TO BE STUDYING, PUTTING UP PERMANENT TRAFFIC COLLECTOR DATA SO THAT WE HAVE CONSTANT FEEDBACK SHOWING THE GROWTH OR DELAY OR NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE COMING THROUGH OR WHATEVER. RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE CITIES ARE GOING IS TO WHERE YOU HAVE REAL TIME DATA ALL THE TIME BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY IS ALLOWED FOR IT NOW. WHERE BEFORE IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET THAT DATA NOW REAL TIME DATA, BLUETOOTH, ALL THOSE THINGS, WE CAN HAVE CONSTANT FEEDBACK AND SO THAT'S PART OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS HOW TO START BUILDING THAT NETWORK SO THAT WE HAVE A ROBUST, JUST LIKE WE HAVE A WATER MODEL AND A WASTEWATER MODEL, HAVE A ROBUST TRANSPORTATION MODEL SO THAT WHEN WE DO HAVE MASTER PLANS, THEY'VE GOT ALL THIS DATA TO COME IN AND SAY THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET THAT FROM THE PARAMETERS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED. YES. OKAY. AND SO FROM THERE WE'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT INFORMATION, SEE WHAT ELSE IS NEEDED TO ADD ONTO THAT BASICALLY. OKAY. ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE 50,000, SO THAT'S JUST DONE EVERY 10 YEARS OR CAN WE HIT THAT MILESTONE AT IN LIKE 2028? NO, NO. SO THE, THE 10 YEARS BECAUSE OF THE CENSUS. YEAH. OKAY. SO IT IS ALWAYS DETERMINED BY THE CENSUS. YEAH. OKAY. WE TECHNICALLY, I THINK SOME ORGANIZATIONS CHOOSE TO LOOK AT UNOFFICIAL DATA. UHHUH, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT WE TALK TO TEXTILE. IT'S ACTUALLY IN STATE LAW IT SAYS POPULATION IS DEFINED AS THE DECENNIAL CENSUS NUMBER PERIOD. SO, SO IT GOVERNS A LOT OF THINGS. A DC RAN INTO THAT WHERE IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO YEAH. TECHNICALLY HIT 20,000. YEAH. AND SO I, MY RECOMMENDATION WHEN I TALK TO CITY MANAGER WAS LET'S NOT EVEN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. MM-HMM . LET'S WAIT TILL THE CENSUS COMES IN AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND START TRYING TO GET OUR FEET UNDER US NOW START PLANNING FOR WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AND WE HIT THAT NUMBER BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA GET SLAMMED WITH IT IN 2030, I'M ASSUMING. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA BE TRYING TO SCRAMBLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO ALL THIS STUFF AND IT'S, YEAH, I MEAN IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE TAKING BITES OUT, RIGHT? YEAH. I'M, I'M, I'M BABY STEPPING THIS. YEAH, THIS IS, YEAH, THE FIRST LITTLE BITE. SO WILL, WILL THEY BE DOING LIKE COORDINATION WHERE LIKE, SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST FINISHING UP LIMMER AND 1660, BUT BY FIXING THAT YOU PROBABLY MAKE IT SCHMITT AND LIMMER A LITTLE WORSE. AND SO ARE THEY, ARE THEY DOING THAT KIND OF THING WHERE WE KNOW IT'S LIKE A CHAIN? I MEAN, SOME OF IT WE CAN LOOK AT 'EM, WE CAN SAY, WE KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA PUT MORE PRESSURE THERE BY RELIEVING IT OVER HERE. YEAH. SO THEY ARE GONNA BE LOOKING AT, BECAUSE THEY KNOW WE'RE DOING TWO DESIGN PROJECTS ON LIMMER FROM 16, 16 TO ONE 30. MM-HMM . THEY KNOW THAT WE HAVE ISSUES ON EDGE MINT AND THEY ALSO KNOW THAT WE'RE ADDING, SO WE'RE UPDATING THE SIGNAL AT 1660 IN LIMMER. WE'RE ADDING A SIGNAL AT EXCHANGE IN LIMMER, WE'RE ADDING A SIGNAL AT, AT INNOVATION INNOVATION IN LIMMER AND WE'RE UPDATING THE SIGNAL AT EDGE FIT AND LIMMER. SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT TRAFFIC VOLUMES THROUGH THERE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO GONNA DO CORRIDOR STUDIES TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE OPTIMIZE THOSE SIGNALS TO GET THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF THROUGHPUT THROUGH ALL THOSE SIGNALS. SO, AND THAT'S AS WE START BRINGING MORE SIGNAL, WHAT TELLS US THEY DO ON 79 TODAY. YEAH. . YEAH. BUT I'LL ACTUALLY BE IN CONTROL OF IT. SO, UH, SO IF YOU GUYS, IF WE START HAVING PROBLEMS ON OUR SIGNAL COORDINATION, COORDINATION ON, WE SEND [00:50:01] COMPLAINTS FROM, AND SO THEN I'M TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING, BRINGING ON SIGNALS TO, UH, ED SCHMIDT. I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO COORDINATE THAT BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW ED SCHMIDT IS A, IS A NIGHTMARE DURING PEAK TIMES. YEAH. YEAH. ALRIGHT. SIX 50. ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW? WE, I POSTPONE THIS UNTIL LATER IN THE MEETING. WE'LL ADJOURN AT SIX 50. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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