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WHAT WAS THE,[Planning and Zoning on April 8, 2025.]
ALRIGHT.UH, IT IS NOW 7:07 PM AND I WILL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE CITY OF HU PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR TUESDAY, APRIL THE EIGHTH, 2025.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? WE DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGN UP.
SO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CONSENT AGENDA ITEM 4.1, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON MARCH 4TH, 2025.
ITEM 4.2 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO DISAPPROVE THE PROPOSED HERITAGE MILL NORTH FINAL PLANT, 38.163 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND 142 LOTS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF FM 1660 EAST OF COUNTY ROAD 1 71 63.
ITEM 4.3 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO DISAPPROVE THE PROPOSED GOLA.
PHASE FOUR, FINAL PLAT 24.05, TWO ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND 133 RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND FOUR OPEN SPACE LOTS LOCATED ON FM 1660 SOUTH.
DO I HAVE A MOTION OR ANY, UM, I GUESS DISCUSSION I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST FOR, UH, TO POLL 4.3 AND I'D LIKE TO POLL 4.2.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM 4.1? I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE, UH, OR I ITEM 4.1 TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM MARCH 4TH, 2025.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORRIS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HUDSON TO ACCEPT ITEM 4.1 OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AS WRITTEN.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
COMMISSIONER HUDSON, ITEM 4.3.
UH, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE.
UM, IT FEELS LIKE WE'VE SEEN THIS PHASE FOUR SEVERAL TIMES.
IS THERE ANY SORT OF LIMIT TO HOW MANY TIMES THEY CAN APPLY
I ASKED THAT QUESTION LAST TIME TOO.
WE'LL JUST STAY IN THAT SAME, THIS IS ONE WHERE THEY DID END UP, UM, SUBMITTING FOR THE 31 67 WAIVER, BUT BECAUSE IT WAS SUBMITTED ON THE DENIAL DATE AND WE KNEW, WE STILL HAD COMMENTS, WE GOT IT ON THE AGENDA.
UM, AND IT'S HARD TO SWITCH THE PROCESS IF YOU'RE IN ON THE 31 67.
IT'S HARD TO THEN SAY, OH, NEVERMIND, WE DON'T WANNA BE A 31 67, BUT STILL TRYING TO FOLLOW THAT PROCESS.
NO, HOPEFULLY I'M THINKING ON THIS ONE ANGOLA, I'M EXPECTING THAT WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE IT, UM, CLEARED BY MAY AND YOU'LL JUST SEE FULL APPROVAL, NO CONDITIONS.
BECAUSE YEAH, IT, IT, LIKE I SAID, IT JUST FEELS LIKE IT KEEPS COMING BACK.
I, AND THIS IS KINDA THE SAME QUESTION FOR FOUR TWO, BUT ALSO ON FOUR THREE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE DENYING FOR STATE LAW, BUT IT SAYS THEY'RE OUTSTANDING ENGINEERING COMMENTS, SO I DON'T NEED TO GO IN A DETAIL LINE ITEM.
BUT ARE THESE EGREGIOUS MISSING ITEMS OR IS THIS SOMETHING, I THINK YOU SAID WE WERE GONNA BE COMING BACK ON MAY 3RD, SO THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION THAT ANSWERED.
SO YEAH, I'M, I'M EXPECTING ALL OF THESE TO COME BACK IN MAY, BUT NO, NOTHING REALLY EGREGIOUS.
IT'S JUST, IT'S ENOUGH THAT WE CAN'T APPROVE IT.
SOMETIMES WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THAT IT'S DIFFERENT, UM, PART OF THE APPLICATION, LIKE IT'S DRAINAGE PLAN ON SOME OF THEM, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE CAN'T, OR SOME OF THEM ARE LIKE FOR, I KNOW FOR HERITAGE MILL, WHICH WAS MORE OF YOUR ITEM, UM, THERE'S THINGS THAT WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, BUT THIS ISN'T LINING UP WITH WHAT YOU SAID LAST TIME, OR THIS ISN'T LINING UP WITH THE PRELIM.
WE NEED TO HAVE SOME CLARITY THERE.
AND IT'S THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE JUST NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING SO THAT WE CAN PRESENT IT TO YOU AND TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ALSO GETTING.
YEAH, I WAS JUST, AGAIN, CURIOUS IF THIS IS SOMETHING, A SHOW POSSIBLE SHOWSTOPPER OR THESE JUST BASICALLY DOTTING I'S AND CROSSING T'S AND THAT'S THE SAME QUESTION I HAVE FOR FOUR TWO AND FOUR
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THREE.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SO, SO, SO BASICALLY, UM, IF THEY RE IF THEY CORRECT ALL THIS YES.
THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE TO DO, CORRECT? UNLESS THOSE COR SO YES, UNLESS THOSE CORRECTIONS LEAD TO A WATERFALL OF I CORRECTED A, BUT IT LED TO CHANGING B AND C AND NOW WE HAVE TO LOOK AT B AND C.
BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE DO A FULL REVIEW EVERY TIME THEY COME IN.
I ALSO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.
I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT'S ON THIS ONE OR THE OTHER ONE, BUT I WAS READING THROUGH THE FIELD NOTES.
UH, HOA GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE, THE SIDE SIDEWALKS IN THE SOUTHERN.
OH, THAT WOULD BE HERITAGE MILL.
THE COUNTY, UM, IN, IN MUD AND A MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT.
THEY DO NOT WANT TO HAVE ROAD AND SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE.
SO THEY'RE REFUSING THAT, UM, MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS AT THIS POINT.
COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION FOR THE MICROPHONE? THAT'S SO STRANGE.
COULD YOU, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? WE COULDN'T HEAR IT FOR THE MICROPHONE THERE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, SIR.
I ASKED THAT IN WHICH ONE WAS IT? HERITAGE MILL HAS A NOTE THAT THE HOA WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE AND THAT WILL BE STANDARD FOR COUNTY, UM, MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT DEVELOPMENTS AND HERITAGE MILL.
AND I HAD NEVER HEARD OF THAT.
IT'S A NEW THING WITH THE COUNTY, I THINK IN THE LAST YEAR, 18 MONTHS.
AND THEN I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ALSO
UM, I KNOW YEARS AGO, UH, I BROUGHT THIS UP TOO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN CHANGED OR NOT, BUT ARE THEY STILL PUTTING THE EASEMENTS ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY IF THE, IF THE UTILITIES ARE ON THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTIES? TYPICALLY? NO.
UM, OUR, I KNOW THAT IT HAS COME UP SEVERAL TIMES.
WE STILL HAD AN ENGINEER THAT TIME THAT STILL WANTED THOSE NOTES AND THAT WAS A STANDARD NOTE.
WE HAVE SINCE CHANGED THEM SINCE WE HAVE GOTTEN, UM, A DIFFERENT CITY ENGINEER BACK.
SO YOU SHOULD NOT SEE THEM ALL LOOPED.
WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE CHANGING THAT AGAIN TO WHERE THE, UH, PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT HAS TO BE SHOWN ON THE PLAT OR IT MAY GO TO A DIFFERENT, UM, WE'RE EITHER DEBATING THAT OR GOING TO ACTUALLY HAVING ALL OF THOSE EASEMENTS RECORDED AS A SEPARATE INSTRUMENT.
I JUST, IT'S, I KNOW MY HOUSE HAS IT AND TO ME IT'S RIDICULOUS TO HAVE IT ON THE BACK.
IF IT'S NECESSARY, IT'S NECESSARY, BUT TYPICALLY IT'S NOT NECESSARY ON A NEW SUBDIVISION IF YOU PUT IT, SOMETIMES THEY'LL GO IN THERE, BUT SOMETIMES THEN YOU'RE JUST ASKING PEOPLE TO REMOVE THEM LATER.
BUT YOU STILL NEED THE, UH, DRAINAGE EASEMENT, NOT NECESSARY.
LIKE I HAVE A SEVEN FOOT EASEMENT FROM THE, MY FENCE BACK INTO MY PROPERTY.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY UTILITY EASEMENT.
AND MY UTILITIES ARE ALL, ARE ALL IN FRONT.
SO IT WILL NEVER BE USED FOR UTILITIES, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO KEEP IT CLEAR FOR THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
WELL, I HAVE A, I HAVE A DITCH BEHIND THAT.
OH, WELL I KNOW I'VE GOT ANOTHER HOUSE.
COMMISSIONER MORRIS, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT? YES, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT 4.2 AS PROVIDED BY STAFF.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORRIS, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HUDSON TO ACCEPT ITEM 4.2 AS PRESENTED BY STAFF.
UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, WE'LL VOTE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT 4.3 AS PRESENTED.
I'LL CONCEDE, BUT ONLY THIS ONE TIME.
FOR ITEM 4.3, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HUDSON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WIRTZ TO ACCEPT ITEM 4.3 AS PRESENTED BY STAFF.
ITEM NUMBER SIX, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR REPORT.
WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IS, UH, NUMBER FIVE FOR NEXT MONTH IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT LENGTHIER.
WE DO HAVE, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WE'LL BE HAVING IN MAY.
UM, AS WELL AS WHAT WE'RE GONNA GO OVER HERE.
UM, WE HAVE UPCOMING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM DISCUSSION DATES.
WE ARE TRYING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE COUNCIL HAS ASKED FOR THIS TO BE MORE ROBUST.
I FEEL LIKE I CANNOT SEE YOU TONIGHT.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, UH, THE CITY ENGINEER AND
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I HAVE GONE OVER DATES.WE ARE GOING TO START HOLDING THESE DISCUSSIONS, UM, AS YOU SEE HERE.
SO YOU'LL START GETTING A LOT OF THESE.
UM, THE ONLY TWO, OR REALLY ONE THAT WE MIGHT BE STARTING EARLY IS LIKELY GOING TO BE STREETS, WHICH WILL BE APRIL 22ND.
IF WE CAN START THAT EARLIER IN THE AFTERNOON BECAUSE OF HOW MANY STREETS WE NEED TO GO THROUGH, IT WOULD KEEP US FROM BEING HERE UNTIL ONE OR TWO IN THE MORNING.
UM, WE WILL BE SENDING OUT ALL OF THESE IN EMAIL.
WE NEED QUORUMS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT THE FINAL CIP RECOMMENDATION WILL NOT BE UNTIL MAY 20TH.
THAT REALLY DOES PUT US HAVING TO COME IN EVERY TUESDAY UNTIL JUNE.
I, AS I WAS LETTING THEM KNOW, I WILL NOT BE HERE PROBABLY THE REST OF THE MONTH.
OH, BUT WANTED YOU TO KNOW THERE IS GOING TO BE THE POSSIBLE JOINT PARKS BOARD MEETING TO GO OVER THEIR CIP.
WE ARE TRYING TO HAVE THAT ON APRIL 29TH, SO WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THIS ROOM BECAUSE OF THE GROUPS ARE SO LARGE.
UM, AND WE WOULD SET UP DOWN THERE AND NOT HAVE ONE GROUP UP AND ONE GROUP DOWN.
BUT WE'D TRY TO SET UP DOWN THERE, WAIT A MINUTE, I WANNA BE UP
SO THAT'S WHY WE PUT, IT COULD EITHER BE THE WATER DISCUSSION OR IT COULD BE THAT, UM, IF IT IS THE LATER DATE, I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO BE UP AT EXEC AND WE CAN STILL RECORD THOSE MEETINGS.
IT'S JUST, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER OF A ROOM.
UM, BUT BECAUSE THIS IS ALSO A POLLING PLACE FOR THE ELECTION, WE CAN'T BE IN THIS ROOM BECAUSE THIS WILL BE LOCKED DOWN.
UM, SO I THINK FOR THE 14TH AND THE 20TH, WE WILL, WE WILL BE UP IN EXEC REGARDLESS.
UM, UNLESS WE CAN GET INTO A LIBRARY ROOM AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE RECORDING IN THERE.
BUT THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE SENDING OUT.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN ALSO, IF YOU NEED IT, WE COULD LOOK AT TEAMS OPTIONS JUST SO YOU'D BE ABLE TO WATCH OR SEE, UM, AND PARTICIPATE IF YOU NEED TO BE VIRTUAL.
UM, THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, IF THAT MAKES IT EASIER.
AND OF COURSE, WITH AN EARLY START DATE, IF IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO START, EVEN IF IT'S JUST TO GET A QUORUM AND GET US STARTED, UM, FULLY UNDERSTOOD, WE'LL WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT AS WELL.
WHY DO YOU HAVE THAT ONE STARTING AT THREE, THREE TO FOUR? BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF STREETS THAT, UM, MATT RECTOR NEEDS TO GO OVER WITH YOU IS THAT'S WHAT TOOK THE LONGEST LAST TIME.
AND WE DON'T WANNA START AT SIX OR SEVEN AND THEN GO UNTIL ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
WE GOT A LITTLE PUNCHY LAST TIME.
I WILL SAY IF WE DO START EARLY, OBVIOUSLY EVEN ON SOME OF THESE, IF, IF THE CONSENSUS IS, HEY, LET'S START AT SIX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WE CAN HAVE SNACKS, WE CAN HAVE WATERS, WE CAN DO ALL OF THAT JUST BECAUSE SOME OF THESE WON'T BE AS LONG, BUT WE'RE GOING OVER YEARS, UH, 2026 I BELIEVE THROUGH 2030.
UM, SO THEY ARE STILL GONNA HAVE SOME PRETTY GOOD ONES.
BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO ALL OF IT ON ONE NIGHT, IF WE BREAK THIS UP, WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN JUST DO LITTLE CHUNKS.
AND SO BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE RECOMMENDATION, IT'LL BE, RECALL WHAT HAPPENED ON THIS.
HERE'S WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE AND HERE'S HOW WE, UM, HELP THE ENGINEERING TEAM PREPARE A MORE ROBUST CIP.
WELL, C CAN WE, CAN WE KIND OF TAKE A, A LITTLE POLL RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW? UH, ON THE, YEAH.
I MEAN, DOES THREE WORK BETTER OR FOUR WORK BETTER FOR PEOPLE? I I'M GOOD AT THREE.
WELL NOT ALL OF US ARE RETIRED.
SO
I WAS JUST TOSSING OUT IF WE ESTABLISH A QUORUM FOR PEOPLE THAT CAN'T GET HERE AT THREE OR FOUR RIGHT.
THEY CAN AT LEAST VIRTUALLY AND THEN GET HERE WHEN THEY CAN.
BUT THAT MEANS IT'S KEY THAT WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH QUORUM.
SO WE HAVE VERY, I WILL NOT BE HERE AT THREE.
I CAN'T EVEN TEAMS THAT THREE.
UM, YOU WON'T, YOU WON'T BE HERE ON THE 22ND.
I HAVE A JOB
I GOT A CHAT OF EIGHT TO FIVES
I KIND OF FIGURED YOU HAD A JOB, BUT I MEAN, I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT MY WORK SCHEDULE AND I ALSO HAVE A KID THAT I PICK UP FROM SCHOOL DURING THAT TIME AS WELL.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE IF WE CAN'T HAVE A COWORKER AND IT JUST, IT'S A MAY NEED AN EARLY START.
IF THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S POSSIBLE, UM, THEN WE WILL BACK OFF WITH THAT IDEA.
WE'LL JUST, I MEAN, WOULD FIVE WORK BETTER FOR EVERYBODY? UHHUH.
CAN WE, CAN WE TENTATIVELY PUT DOWN FIVE TO START IT AT FIVE? WE CAN.
I MEAN, SHE'LL SEE ALL OF THIS AND SHE'LL HEAR IT.
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BUT CERTAINLY, I MEAN I, I'D MUCH RATHER KIND OF HAVE IT NAILED DOWN TONIGHT.
'CAUSE I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE THERE.
APPRECIATE I LIKE YOU BUT
I DON'T KNOW EITHER WAY RIGHT NOW.
IF I COULD SAY I COULD BE HERE EARLIER THAN THAT.
FIVE IS, SO CAN WE JUST GENERALLY SAY FIVE O'CLOCK, START AT FIVE PLEASE.
AND I'M THINKING THAT'S ONLY FOR THE APRIL 22ND.
DOES 6:00 PM WORK JUST SO WE AREN'T HERE UNTIL 10, 6:00 PM SHOULD BE FINE.
AND, AND IF WE COULD, UH, NOT TO GO SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO LATE IN THE NIGHT.
UM, IF THAT HAS TO ROLL OVER TO THE 29TH.
ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT? POSSIBLY.
AND, AND THEN MOVING THE, THE PARKS TO THE 14TH FOR SURE.
BECAUSE UH, OR UNLESS WE KNOW THAT THE PARKS IS GONNA BE A 45 MINUTE ONLY AND WE'RE DONE.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO CUT THAT OFF 'CAUSE WE'VE NOT DONE IT BEFORE.
I'D RATHER PUSH THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE JOINT PARKS MEETING TO THE 14TH.
I'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT WE GET FROM PARKS.
'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA CHECK WITH THAT BOARD.
YEAH, I KNOW MAY 14TH WAS THROWN OUT.
I MOM THANK, THE ONLY REASON WE'RE LOOKING AT THE APRIL 29TH DATE.
I'M, I'M ONE OF THESE, I'M ONE OF THESE PEOPLE.
THE SOONER THE BETTER WITH ME WITH, I WOULD PREFER IT TO BE JUST LIKE IT IS ON THE 29TH MYSELF.
BUT, BUT UNLESS WE'RE LE UNLESS WE'RE AFTER MIDNIGHT ON THE 22ND AND I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WELL CAN WE, CAN WE NOT PUT A STOP TIME ON THESE MEETINGS? YEAH.
SO WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT UNDERSTAND GETTING THE STREETS DONE OR THE PARKS MEETING.
WELL HOW I MOUTH WITH ANYTHING'S HAVE STOP ONE AT A TIME.
YOU COULD GO PAST THE STOP TIME ON THERE.
WHAT WHAT ABOUT IF WE HAVE TO GO OVER ON THE 22ND? WE ADJOURN, WE RECONVENE, LET'S SAY AT SIX ON THE 29TH.
AND THEN MOVE INTO, INTO THE JOINT PARKS.
BECAUSE I'M KIND OF WITH TONY.
I WOULD RATHER DO IT SOONER THAN LATER JUST IN CASE THAT GOES LONG.
AND TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE PARKS PEOPLE.
IF YOU DON'T FINISH IT ON THE 29TH, THEN WE FINISH STREETS ON THE 14TH.
AND THAT ALSO THEN GIVES THE CITY, THE ENGINEERING TEAM ADDITIONAL TIME TO LOOK AT THE WATER DISCUSSION BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO BE A PRETTY ROBUST DISCUSSION AS WELL.
SO WE CAN CERTAINLY, I WILL FIRM UP THE 29TH AND THE 14TH.
WELL THEY HAVE THEIR MEETING TOMORROW SO WE WILL KNOW IF IT'S THE 29TH OR THE 14TH BY THE END OF THE WEEK.
AND THEN WE CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THIS SCHEDULE SHOULD LOOK LIKE AND WE CAN FIRM UP.
WE WILL HAVE A 5:00 PM START ON THE 22ND FOR THE STREETS ITEM.
WE'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THAT JOINT PARKS BOARD CIP DISCUSSION OR WATER DISCUSSION IS GOING TO OCCUR.
UM, MAY 6TH IS JUST OUR REGULAR P AND Z AND THE REMAINDER.
AND WE'LL JUST REMIND EVERYBODY THE REMAINDER OF THE CIP ONLY CIP MEETING.
SO NOT MAY 6TH, BUT THE OTHERS WILL BE AT 6:00 PM MM-HMM
UM, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE, IF WE WANT A STOP TIME OR SOMETHING SO THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH TO THAT MAY 20TH DATE.
SO YOU DON'T KNOW IF THE 29TH OR THE 14TH IS PREFERRED BY PARK SHIFT? UM, NO, THAT'S THE TWO DATES THAT ARE BEING FLOATED WITH PARKS.
I PLAN ON BEING AT THE MEETING ANYWAY TOMORROW NIGHT.
WE'LL HAVE, IF I HEAR SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE, UM, THE PARKS DIRECTOR'S GONNA UPDATE US.
'CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE 14TH WITH PARKS AND THEN IT CAME UP THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT POSSIBLY DOING PARKS AND GETTING THAT ONE OUT OF THE WAY.
UM, SO THAT HE HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO WORK ON THE WATER ON UNTIL MAY.
JUST BECAUSE THAT ONE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, INTENSE.
OH, HE BEING MATT RECTOR CERTAINLY.
AND THEN SOME OF THESE LIKE FACILITIES AND WASTEWATER, THAT SHOULDN'T BE TOO LONG BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING FOR WASTEWATER BECAUSE IT WAS SET PRETTY WELL AND WE ALREADY HAVE PROJECTS IN THE, IN THE PIPELINE AND THEN OTHER PROJECTS THAT UM, FOLLOW THAT.
SO APRIL 15TH, I DON'T EXPECT TO BE A VERY LONG MEETING.
UM, AND THEN MAYBE MAY MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LONGER OF A P AND Z MEETING 'CAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, SEVERAL ITEMS ON THERE.
UM, BUT AT LEAST WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP YOU GUYS SAFE.
IT COULD BE LONG IF WE ARE HAVING TO CALL YOU IN EARLY, OF COURSE WE'LL HAVE THE SNACKS.
UM, AT THAT 5:00 PM MEETING ON THE 22ND WE'LL DO DINNER, UM, LIKE WE DID LAST TIME.
I'M GONNA THROW A WRENCH INTO THIS, BUT YOU JUST SAID THE FACILITIES, THE WASTEWATER MEETING SHORT, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE A LONG MEETING.
SO WHY DON'T WE DO STREET OKAY.
UM, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE DO THAT AND IF WE HAVE SOME TIME TO START THE STREET ON THAT SAME NIGHT, IF MATT HAS ANY STREETS TO DISCUSS YET? AH, OKAY.
I MEAN I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT IF
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I WOULD MUCH RATHER SPEND AN EXTRA HOUR HERE ON THE, ON THE 15TH, IF WE CAN ADD A PUT AN HOUR INTO THE YEP.TO THE STREETS THAN WE'RE AN HOUR AHEAD ON FOR THE 22ND.
I AGREE WITH THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
THAT WOULD BE IF THEY HAVE THE DOCUMENTS READY, LIKE LAST YEAR WE WERE ABLE TO SEE THEM EXACTLY FOR A COUPLE WEEKS AHEAD OF TIME AND IT'S ALL GONNA TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW 'EM AND YEAH.
IT'S GONNA DEPENDS MATTER JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT HAVING MATT RECTOR HAVE TO WORK ALL WEEKEND.
I DON'T WANT THAT STREETS AND THINGS.
IF IT'S POSSIBLE OF COURSE, OR IF IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE HAVE ONE THAT WE COULD KIND OF FLIP AROUND AND BE LIKE, OH HEY, LET'S JUST GET THIS ONE OUTTA THE WAY.
OR HERE'S A REMINDER OR HERE'S A RECAP OF WHAT WE'VE DONE ON STREETS AND HERE'S WHERE WE ARE.
UM, EVEN JUST TO GET SOME OF THAT OUT THE WAY.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S, NO, I MEAN I UNDERSTAND IT.
I MEAN I JUST STOOD OUT THERE AS AN IDEA.
IF IT WORKS, WE LIKE HIS IDEA.
I WILL DEFINITELY GIVE THAT FEEDBACK.
UM, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE CONFIRMATION OUT BY HOPEFULLY THURSDAY.
'CAUSE IT'S ONLY TUESDAY, SO I'M HOPING BY THURSDAY WE'LL HAVE THE CONFIRMATION OUT.
LATEST BUT BE BY FRIDAY MORNING.
I DEFINITELY WILL NOT BE HERE ON MAY 14TH.
I DON'T KNOW IF I WILL BE EITHER APRIL OR MAY.
SO MAY 14TH IS BUT YOU, BUT YOU COULD BE HERE ON THE 15TH.
I'M COMING BACK FROM OUT OF THE COUNTRY ON THE 15TH.
I WILL NOT, I WON'T BE BACK TILL THE 18TH.
SO NO, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR HER TO BE HERE.
SO SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, HAVE, I JUST HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE ALL FOUR OF US ON MAY 14TH.
MAY 15TH I'LL BE HERE THINKING MAY AND MAY SAY MAY.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU SAID THE, I'M LIKE NO, I WON'T DO.
SO YOU'LL BE HAZEL SAID SAY YOU SAID MAY 14TH.
AND YOU MAY NOT BE HERE, BUT THAT STILL DOES LEAVE FOR IF WE CAN, BUT I MAY NOT BE HERE.
THAT'S MY WEDDING ON YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD BE OUT AND HE'S, YEAH.
BUT SUSANNA, WILL YOU BE BACK BY THEN? MAY 14TH I HOPE TO.
YEAH, THAT'S, IT'S HARD TO COMMIT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER COMMISSIONER, SO IT MAY BE THAT.
AND IF WE HAVE TO, THEN MAYBE WE HAVE TO, AND THEN THE MAY 20TH MEETING GETS A LITTLE BIT LONGER MM-HMM
UM, AND IF HE GETS ELECTED TO CITY COUNCIL.
BUT THAT DOESN'T START AND THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN UNTIL JUNE.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I, I THINK OKAY.
LOTS TO CONSIDER AND, UM, LOT TO CONSIDER ACTUALLY.
NO, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD CANVAS THE VOTES A WEEK AFTER THE ELECTION AND AT THAT POINT YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY OFF.
BUT IT COULD BE 10 TO 14 DAYS.
COULD BE BUT EIGHT 30 THE ELECTION DAY.
BUT THEY COULD, BUT THEY COULD ALSO GO INTO A RUNOFF THE WEEK AFTER.
THERE MIGHT BE A RUNOFF 50 50 CHANCE OF RUNOFF.
WE'LL GO WITH WHAT WE KNOW FOR NOW THIS, BUT WE'RE HOPING RIGHT.
JUST, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO KEEP YOU HERE UNTIL TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, LIKE LAST TIME.
THE NEXT TIME YOU SAID YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT.
ONE OF THE NIGHTS WE DID THE BURGERS.
AND THEN ONE OF 'EM WE WERE LIKE, YEAH, WE SHOULD HAVE ORDERED.
AND THEN BY THE TIME I WAS LOOKING AT ANYWHERE, EVERYTHING HAD ALREADY CLOSED, CLOSED
SO WE'LL DEFINITELY DO SOMETHING.
AND EVEN ON THESE OTHER ONES WE'LL HAVE EXTRA SNACKS AND THINGS JUST TO KEEP EVERYBODY'S ENERGY UP.
UM, AND YEAH, CERTAINLY I'LL TALK TO THE ENGINEERING TEAM AND JUST SAY, HEY, WHERE WE CAN, IF IT ENDS UP BEING A VERY SHORT MEETING, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN ADD A FEW MORE THINGS IN OR DISCUSS ANYTHING, UPDATES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, WELL I'M, I'M JUST ONE OF THESE PEOPLE.
LET'S, LET'S DO IT AND GET IT DONE.
'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA STAY HERE UNTIL TWO O'CLOCK EITHER.
I, I DEAD TO THE WORLD THE NEXT DAY, SO I'M SORRY.
IT'S NORMAL FOR STAFF IF WE'RE HERE LATE ON A COUNCIL NIGHT AND THEN FRIDAY YOU'RE JUST GOING, YOU'RE A ZOMBIE.
BUT IT WAS VERY STRANGE TO BE HERE THAT LATE ON A TUESDAY AND THEN BE A ZOMBIE FOR THE REST OF THE WEEK.
SO AS MUCH AS WE CAN TRY TO AVOID THAT AND STILL BE ABLE TO HAVE OUR OWN LIVES AND THEN ALSO GIVE YOU YOUR TIME BACK AS WELL.
BUT THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
I'LL CERTAINLY MAKE, UM, I'VE MADE THOSE NOTES AND WE WILL SEND THAT OUT TO YOU ON THURSDAY.
AND I KNOW THAT IS VERY INTENSE, SO I JUST HAVE ALL OF THIS FOR YOU.
I HAVE TWO THINGS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP IF POSSIBLE AND THEY'LL BE FAST.
IS THIS BETTER? THIS IS BETTER.
SO THE FIRST THING IS, I WAS HERE ON, IT WAS THE LA LAST WEEK OF MARCH.
I THINK THE DATE WAS MARCH 26TH, BUT I MIGHT HAVE THE DATE WRONG.
UM, BUT I WAS HERE TO DO INTERVIEWS FOR A DIFFERENT BOARD THAT I SERVE ON.
AND IN THE FRONT AREA OF CITY HALL THERE
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WAS, UM, LIKE THE BOARDS SET UP FOR A PUBLIC TYPE OF EVENT TO LOOK AT, UM, DRAINAGE.AND IT WAS THE, I DON'T REMEMBER HER NAME AND I'M REALLY SORRY, BUT SHE WORKS FOR MATT.
IT'S ONE OF THE TWO, COULDN'T TELL YOU WHICH ONE IT WAS.
SHE WAS HERE WITH THE CONSULTANTS THAT WE'VE HIRED TO AND THEY, NOBODY FROM THE PUBLIC SHOWED UP AND I DON'T THINK THAT ANYBODY KNEW.
AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I KNEW WAS BECAUSE I HAPPENED TO TO BE HERE FOR TOTALLY DIFFERENT REASONS.
SO I STAYED AND I LIKE TALKED TO THEM, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO DIFFERENT TO LEARN FROM THAT.
BUT THEY DIDN'T GET ANY FEEDBACK REALLY, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WAS COMMUNICATED.
I DIDN'T SEE IT IN ANY TYPE OF EMAIL.
I DIDN'T SEE IT PUBLICLY HUDDLE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS, I KNOW THAT THEY WERE SAYING HUDDLE NEWSLETTER.
IT WAS, I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THAT.
SO IT WAS ME AND COUNCILMAN PORTERFIELD WHO STAYED TO GIVE THEM THOUGHTS.
I'LL SHARE THAT FEEDBACK WITH THEM FOR SURE.
UM, SO THERE'S THAT ONE THING.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS ON THE, SO I SERVE ON THE ETHICS COMMISSION.
ALL OF US EVENTUALLY WILL NEED TO GO THROUGH ETHICS TRAINING.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT UM, WE LEARNED THROUGH THAT IS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION US, WE ARE REQUIRED TO ALSO FILL OUT FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES.
THE COUNCIL, THE COUNCIL PASSED A-A-A-A-A, UH, ORDINANCE THAT WE PNZ DO NOT HAVE TO DO IT BECAUSE HALF THE PNZ WAS THREATENING TO RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.
SO IT'S, WE DO NOT HAVE TO DO FINANCIAL.
THAT INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED TO ME BY OUR COUNSEL, BY OUR LEGAL COUNSEL, OUR ACCOUNT ATTORNEY.
SO THE, OUR ATTORNEY IS THE ONE WHO TOLD ME THIS.
SO THIS NEED TO CHANGE, THIS IS WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP HERE.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT LAURA IS SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING TO YOU.
SO IF JUST, I DON'T KNOW SHE HAS YET, BUT JUST IT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED.
BECAUSE IF THAT'S, IF THERE'S, IF THAT'S TONY'S UNDERSTANDING, AND THIS IS WHAT I'M BEING TOLD, I JUST WANT US TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH WHAT THEY'RE TELLING ME THE EXPECTATION IS.
SO I I I'M GOING TO DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT BECAUSE I I WAS AT THE CITY.
I'VE SPOKEN OUT AGAINST FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES FOR VOLUNTEERS SINCE IT CAME UP.
I'VE SPOKEN OUT AGAINST FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FOR VOLUNTEERS SINCE IT CAME UP.
AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THEY HELD ORIGINALLY THEY WERE GOING TO DO THAT.
THEY WERE TRYING TO MAKE THAT WHERE, AND I KNOW WHO'S BEHIND IT, UM, AND EVERYTHING.
AND THEY GOT A LOT OF, UH, NEGATIVE FEEDBACK ON IT FROM THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
I DON'T REMEMBER, UH, WHO, WHO, WHO, WHO, WHO MADE IT.
AND THE COUNCIL VOTED NOT TO REQUIRE THAT.
WHAT WAS THE TIMEFRAME OF THAT COUNCIL MEETING? WHAT YEAR? A YEAR AGO OR NO, LATER? NO, 2019 I BELIEVE.
SO WE, WELL IT WAS, IT WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, IF I REMEMBER CORRECT.
FINELY THAT'S, UM, ADDITIONALLY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, THEY WERE PUTTING IN THERE WAS THAT THE CITY SECRETARY WOULD PROVIDE THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE DOCUMENTS TO WHOEVER NEEDED THEM.
SO IF THAT ORDINANCE WAS PASSED WHERE WE, WE'VE NEVER RECEIVED THEM.
SO THE ETHICS COMMISSION HADN'T MET UNTIL THIS YEAR.
WE HAVE HAD A TOTAL OF TWO MEETINGS.
THE VERY FIRST MEETING IS WHERE I WAS TOLD THIS INFORMATION THROUGH THE ETHICS TRAINING THAT WAS PROVIDED BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY.
IT'S ALAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY HIS LAST NAME.
THAT GUY, HE'S THE ONE WHO PROVIDED THE ETHICS TRAINING AND THROUGHOUT THAT ETHICS TRAINING IN HIS POWERPOINT IS WHERE HE SAID PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE.
THAT MADE MY LITTLE, YOU KNOW, RADAR GO OFF.
AND THAT'S WHY I TOOK A NOTE TO FOLLOW UP ON IT BECAUSE I HADN'T HEARD THAT BEFORE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP NOW BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY SECRETARY SAID SHE WOULD FOLLOW UP WITH ASHLEY ON.
AND I'M TRYING TO FULL CIRCLE ENSURE IT'S BEING FOLLOWED UP ON, ON THIS SIDE AS WELL.
SO I, I THINK, I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT WAS TURNED DOWN WAS BECAUSE PLANNING AND ZONING DOES NOT SPEND ONE PENNY OF THE RESIDENT'S MONEY.
I'M NOT HERE TO DEBATE YOU, TONY, I'M JUST BRINGING UP INFORMATION THAT I WAS PROVIDED.
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WHAT HAPPENED BACK THEN.WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS HAVE ASHLEY CHECK WITH THE YEAH, EVERYBODY, CITY SECRETARY.
I'VE ALREADY SENT THE MESSAGE OFF AND WE DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS IT ANY FURTHER.
WE DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS IT ANY FURTHER.
SERIOUSLY, I DISAGREE, BUT I HAVE TO REEL TO THE CHAIR.
YEAH, WE ARE OFF AGENDA 'CAUSE IT'S MY UPDATE.
BUT YEAH, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ON THAT TOO.
'CAUSE THEN WE GET INTO LEGAL ISSUES.
YEAH, DON'T DO THAT BECAUSE WE VEERED A LITTLE BIT OFF FROM MY UPDATE.
SO, UH, LAST ITEM IS JUST ADJOURNMENT.
IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE YOUR TOMA, YOUR ANNUAL TOMA TRAINING, PLEASE COMPLETE THAT.
IT'S NOT REQUIRED ANNUALLY ANYMORE.
PER LAURA, IT'S NOT REQUIRED ANYMORE.
UH, YOU HAVE TO DO IT ONCE PER APPOINTMENT.
I HAVE TO DO IT ONCE PER APPOINTMENT.
THAT CAME OUT, UH, COMMISSIONER STEWART HAD ASKED AND NOW IT'S ONCE PER APPOINTMENT, NOT ONCE PER YEAR.
I WAS, AND I DID DO THE, UH, ANGEL SENT OUT A THING FROM TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE ABOUT, UH, PAR PARLIAMENTARY PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURES AND THERE WAS A CLASS, IT WAS A $45 CLASS AND THEY DID NOT GIVE US THE NOTES OR ANYTHING.
IT'S WHATEVER NOTES YOU TOOK AND THEY DIDN'T GIVE US COPIES OF ANYTHING.
BUT IT WAS AN HOUR AND A HALF LONG ZOOM MEETING.
IT WAS A LIVE ZOOM AND THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE ON IT AND I TOOK IT.
BUT DID YOU LEARN ANYTHING
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO DISCUSS? NOPE.
I, I HAVE SOMETHING TO DISCUSS.
UM, THE, UH, AUTHOR, I'M ALSO ON THE ETHICS REVIEW.
UM, THERE WAS A, A TOPIC BROUGHT UP ABOUT RECUSAL AND ABSTAINING FROM VOTE.
AND, UH, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE ABSTAINED OR RECUSED OURSELF FOR VOTES HERE.
UH, BUT THERE'S A LEGAL DEFINITION THAT RECUSAL IS THAT YOU DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN ANY OF THE DISCUSSION AND THEREFORE DON'T VOTE.
AS OPPOSED TO ABSTAINING WHERE YOU DEC OR PARTICIPATING IN THE ENTIRE DISCUSSION, BUT YOU DON'T VOTE.
WE HAVE RECUSAL DOCUMENTS THAT WE ARE GIVEN TO US WHEN WE ABSTAIN.
I'LL CHECK WITH THE CITY SECRETARY ON THAT.
SO I JUST, AGAIN, THESE THINGS WHEN WE COMING FROM AREN'T THAT WE COME FROM, FROM OTHER BOARD OF COMMISSION AREN'T TO HASH OUT HERE.
IT'S JUST TO MAKE NOTE THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT HAS COME UP.
AND IN THIS CASE, MY ITEM HERE, IT COVERS THE WHOLE CITY.
SO WE'RE STILL HASHING OFF, BUT THAT'S THE CASE FOR THE ETHICS AND WHATEVER CAME OUT OF THAT ONE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY SECRETARY WILL CALL THE CITY SECRETARY IS SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW UP.
AND WE'RE JUST KIND OF TOUCHING BASE ON ALL OF THAT.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ABSTAINING OR IT'S THE, WE HAVE DOCUMENTS THAT THE DOCUMENT IS CALLED A RECUSAL FORM.
ARE, ARE YOU SAYING? BUT THERE'S, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
THERE'S, UH, UH, IT'S SOMETHING FOR THE CITY SECRETARY TO FI AFF FIGURE OUT WITH LEGAL.
WE'LL JUST GET AN UPDATE ONCE, UM, SHE'S GOT ONE.
IF THERE IS NOTHING MORE, WE WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 7:41 PM YEAH, IT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN.