[Planning and Zoning on April 15, 2025.]
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SO WITH THAT, WE WILL CALL THIS SPECIAL CALLED MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR TUESDAY, APRIL 15TH, 2025 TO ORDER.
FIRST UP IS ROLL CALL AND LET'S SEE, I SEE COMMISSIONER STEWART HERE.
AYE, I SEE COMMISSIONER OD HERE.
I SEE COMMISSIONER WORTZ HERE AND I MYSELF AM COMMISSIONER HUDSON.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
I DON'T SEE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? I DO NOT.
ALRIGHT, THEN MOVING ON TO ITEM FOUR, 4.1, DISCUSSION ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, MATT RECTOR, YOUR CITY ENGINEER.
UH, SO WE'RE GONNA START TALKING ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IN AN EFFORT TO TRY TO SAVE US ALL FROM MANY ALL-NIGHTERS AND AND LONG DRAWN OUT DISCUSSIONS, WE HA ARE GOING TO BRING THIS TO YOU IN PIECES.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S MULTIPLE MEETINGS.
UH, SO THE GAME PLAN, THE WAY IT CURRENTLY IS, UM, IS WE'RE GOING TO START, START YOU OFF WITH SOME SOFTBALLS.
SO WE'RE GONNA FOCUS TONIGHT ON FACILITIES AND WASTEWATER.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD I THINK.
UM, AND THEN WE WILL START, EACH MEETING WILL BE A NEW PIECE.
THE CAVEAT TO ALL OF THIS IS THAT THIS YEAR COUNCIL HAS ADDED A REQUIREMENT TO YOUR LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM FEEDBACK ON.
SO NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM THE RECOMMENDATION FOR WHAT PROJECTS TO DO AND WHEN TO DO THEM, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW MUCH YOU ARE WILLING TO PUSH THE TAX RATES UP FOR THE INS AND PUSH WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES UP FOR THE UTILITIES.
SO HOW MUCH FOR THE INS FOR WHAT? SO THE, THE INS RATE, UM, I JUST, JUST REPEAT THE SENTENCE.
SO CITY COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED THAT YOU AS THEIR RECOMMENDING BODY HAVE TO NOT ONLY RECOMMEND THE ORDER IN WHICH YOU WANNA DO PROJECTS, BUT YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM A SECONDARY RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS HOW MUCH YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO SUPPORT OR RECOMMEND RAISING TAXES ON THE INS RATE AND RAISING THE M AND O AMOUNT, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY YOUR WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES FOR THE UTILITIES.
THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS, AS YOU, AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE, IS THAT WE WILL HAVE A JOINT MEETING WHENEVER WE TALK ABOUT THE PARKS SECTION, SO THAT P AND Z AND THE PARKS BOARD CAN ALL KIND OF WORK TOGETHER TO DETERMINE THE PRIORITIZATION FOR PARKS PROJECTS.
SO, UM, RATHER THAN DO A REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY LONG MARATHON OF A MEETING, WE DECIDED TO SHORTEN IT INTO LITTLE SPRINTS.
UH, SO WITH ALL THAT, I WILL START GETTING INTO, UH, THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU.
SO YOU SHOULD SEE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS SIMILAR TO THIS MAP.
UM, AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR, THIS MAP COMES STRAIGHT OUT OF THE APPROVED HUDDLE WATER, OR, SORRY, WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN.
UH, SO WHAT I HAVE DONE TO TRY TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE IN THE MASTER PLAN IS I HAVE TAKEN THIS TABLE FROM THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN AS WELL AS THIS MAP.
AND I HAVE COLOR CODED THEM AND I'VE ADDED TO THE ORIGINAL LEGEND SO THAT IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO FOLLOW, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS ONE I'M NOT AROUND.
UH, SO THE CYAN OR LIGHT BLUE, OR WHATEVER COLOR YOU WANNA CALL THAT INDICATES PROJECTS THAT ARE IN DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, WHICH MEANS THERE'S PROBABLY MULTIPLE PARTS TO IT.
AND PART OF IT IS IN CONSTRUCTION AND PART OF IT'S STILL IN DESIGN.
THE YELLOW MEANS THAT THE PROJECT IS IN DESIGN.
THE PURPLE MEANS IT IS IN CONSTRUCTION, BLACK IS COMPLETED, AND
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THE PINK COLOR IS, UH, ME ASSUMING THAT THIS IS GONNA BE MOSTLY A DEVELOPER PROJECT.SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE, THOSE COLORS SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE MAPS.
YOU'LL ALSO SEE THOSE COLORS IF YOU JUMP OVER TO THE TABLE THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, YOU'LL SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE FIRST PAGE, THE FIRST TWO ITEMS ARE BLACK.
THOSE ARE DONE, THE NEXT TWO ARE PURPLE 'CAUSE THEY'RE IN CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A YELLOW ONE THAT'S IN DESIGN, AND THEN YOU HAVE THREE THAT HAVE NO COLOR TO THEM.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A BUNCH MORE PURPLE AND THEN A, A BLUE AND THEN GREEN, OR SORRY, YELLOW AND THEN BLANK, BLANK, YELLOW, BLACK, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO I'VE TRIED TO FRAME ALL THIS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE NOT ONLY THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE SPREADSHEET THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO LOOK AT, BUT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND HOW EVERYTHING FEEDS BACK TO THE MASTER PLAN THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED.
IT EXISTS BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR APPROVING THOSE MASTER PLANS AND RECOMMENDING THEM TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO I WANTED EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND WE ARE OPERATING PER THE PLAN GENERALLY.
I MEAN, SOME OF THE PROJECTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN YEAR, YOU KNOW, 25, BUT BECAUSE OF VARIOUS CONVERSATIONS AND DIRECTIVES, THEY MAY HAVE GOTTEN MOVED UP AND SOME OF THE PROJECTS MAY HAVE ALREADY SUPPOSED TO HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED, BUT BECAUSE OF VARIOUS DIRECTIVES AND CONVERSATIONS THEY'VE BEEN POSTPONED.
BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, IF I HAVE THE AUTHORITY, THEN I'M EXECUTING PER THE PLAN.
SO BEFORE I JUMP INTO THE SPREADSHEET, UH, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT I'VE GIVEN YOU SO FAR? UM, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, AND THIS IS PROBABLY JUST ME, MAYBE NOT, UM, I CAN'T READ ANY OF THE TEXT UNDER THE PURPLE.
SO IF, OH YEAH, MAYBE ON THIS.
I THOUGHT IT WAS GONE AS WELL.
OH, MAYBE ON THIS SHEET? YEAH.
NO, I, I CAN'T READ IT EITHER.
I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ANY THERE.
SO MAYBE ON THIS ONE, IF WE CAN REMOVE THE PURPLE, WE CAN READ IT OFF THE COMPUTER FOR THE TIME BEING OR CHANGE THE FONT FROM BLACK TO WHITE OR SOMETHING FONT.
IF YOU WANNA KEEP THE PURPLE, THE FONT IS PDF.
I CAN CHANGE THE HIGHLIGHT COLOR BECAUSE BASICALLY I JUST HIGHLIGHTED THE TEXT.
IF WE, IF WE COULD CHANGE THAT TO JUST LIGHTEN THE SAME COLOR.
THEN AT LEAST I CAN READ IT ON THE COMPUTER SCREEN.
I CAN, I CAN GO IN AND REVISE THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE GET GOING? YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE TOUGH TO SEE ON THE PRINTED MAP.
THE DIFFERENT, THE PRINTED MAP BETWEEN THE PURPLE AND THE BLACK, BUT IT'S DOABLE AND IT'S JUST FINE ON THE COMPUTER SCREEN.
WELL AND WE, WE ANTICIPATED THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE TROUBLE SEEING IT ON THE SCREEN AND PREFER THE PAPER COPIES.
SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE TROUBLE SEEING IT ON PAPER AND PREFER DIGITAL COPIES.
SO WE THOUGHT WE WOULD PRESENT IT DIGITALLY AND IN PAPER AND THEN, UM, THAT WAY WE'VE KIND OF COVERED OUR BASES.
BUT I, I CAN DEFINITELY UPDATE THE COLORS TO MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER.
LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO UPDATE IT ON THE MAP, JUST ON THE SPREADSHEET.
'CAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO TEXT TO READ UNDERNEATH IT ON THE MAP.
UH, SO WITH THAT JUMP OVER HERE AND WE WILL START OFF WITH A SUPER SOFTBALL, WHICH IS GONNA BE THE FACILITIES.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY COMPLETED THE FEASIBILITY AND PLANNING STUDY FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING, WHICH IS ON THIS SHEET IS F1 2024.
UH, IN FACT, CITY COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED THAT WE GO AHEAD AND START THE DESIGN PROCESS THIS YEAR.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE ALREADY ADDED $625,000 TO FY 25 FOR THE DESIGN.
AND WE ARE PREPARING THE RFQ TO GO OUT RIGHT NOW TO SELECT A FIRM TO START THE DESIGN PROCESS ON THAT ONE.
UH, THE POLICE STATION, JUST TO REMIND YOU, SO THAT ONE STARTED IN, IN FY 24.
THEY'VE ALREADY PRESENTED THEIR INITIAL PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
THEY ARE WORKING ON THEIR FINAL PRESENTATION TO GET THAT ONE.
BASICALLY, UH, THE FEASIBILITY AND PLANNING STUDY FOR THE, IT'S NOT JUST POLICE STATION, IT'S ACTUALLY MORE OF A JUSTICE CENTER BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY LOOPS LUMP LUMPS IN PD WITH COURTS AND EMERGENCY OPERATIONS.
UH, SO ASIDE FROM THE FACT THAT THAT STUDY IS STILL ONGOING, THERE HAS BEEN NO CONVERSATIONS ABOUT PROCEEDING
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ON THE DESIGN OR CONSTRUCTION WITH THAT ONE YET.THE LIBRARY, UH, WE WERE GOING TO START THAT STUDY IN, UH, THIS YEAR.
IT GOT PUSHED TO NEXT YEAR, WHICH IS FY 26.
UH, WE WERE GOING TO START THE REC CENTER, THE AQUATIC CENTER AND THE DOWNTOWN, NO, SORRY, JUST THE REC CENTER AND THE AQUATIC CENTER NEXT YEAR AS WELL.
UM, THAT IS STILL SITTING HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY DESIRE FROM PNZ TO CONTINUE THAT.
AND THEN COUNCIL HAS ALREADY ADDED ANOTHER ITEM TO LOOK AT A FEASIBILITY AND PLANNING STUDY FOR A NEW PARKS HEADQUARTERS.
SO THOSE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT YOU CURRENTLY SEE IN FACILITIES.
UM, BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT IS 26 AND BEYOND IS UP FOR GRABS.
MOST LIKELY TO BUILD ANY OF THESE IS GONNA REQUIRE A GO BOND ELECTION.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY I'VE GOT THEM ALL BASICALLY BEING FUNDED WITH DEBT EXCEPT FOR THE SMALL STUDIES.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO ANY DEBATE ABOUT HOW YOU WANT TO PRIORITIZE THESE RESPECTIVE PROJECTS.
WELL, I, THE FIRST THING THAT POPS IN MY HEAD IS PARK HEADQUARTERS LOOKS TO BE COMING ONLINE AND AFTER THE POLICE STATION JUSTICE CENTER, WHICH I AM ASSUMING THEN THAT THE POLICE WILL VACATE THE OLD CITY HALL, COULD WE REPURPOSE THAT BUILDING FOR THE PARKS HEADQUARTERS? I LIKE THAT.
AND THAT WOULD PROVIDE I THINK, SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS.
I THINK WE WOULD JUST NEED TO CONFIRM WITH THE CHIEF WHAT HIS PLANS ARE OR THE CITY'S PLANS ARE.
IF IF THAT'S GONNA BE A POLICE ANNEX OR THAT'S GONNA BE EVIDENCE INTAKE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN OKAY.
BUT JUST AT FIRST BLUSH, IF THEY'RE MOVING OUT INTO A NEW FACILITY, THERE'S A FACILITY WE CAN USE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND MILLIONS ON.
I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO PARKS WHEN WE MEET WITH THEM MM-HMM
ABOUT WHY THIS IS EVEN ON HERE.
LIKE WHAT PROMPTED IT TO COME UP? COUNCIL ADDED IT.
LIKE WHY THOUGH? LIKE WHAT'S THE NEED? LIKE HOW URGENT IS THE NEED? MM-HMM
UH, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S MY THOUGHT TO TALK TO THEM.
WITH IT BEING 29, I DON'T THINK IT'S SUPER URGENT, BUT I MEAN, I CAN, I, I CAN TELL YOU THE CONVERSATION THAT HAPPENED WAS THAT ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW LONG THE TRAILER HAD BEEN THERE AND
AND THE ANSWER CAME BACK THAT THAT WAS THE CONSTRUCTION TRAILER THAT WAS ORIGINALLY USED WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED PUTTING ANYTHING IN THE PARK MM-HMM
AND THEY JUST LEFT IT THERE FOR US TO USE.
AND SO IT, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN A TEMPORARY SETUP.
AND IT'S BEEN THERE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY YEARS, I THINK CLOSE TO TWO DECADES NOW.
HAVE YOU, IT'S BEEN TEMPORARY.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE A VET, YOU'VE SEEN TEMPORARY BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS,
SO I, I THINK THAT'S WHY COUNCIL SAID LET'S GO AHEAD AND START STUDYING THAT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANNA DO.
BUT WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT DOING IN 27? THE 1 MILLION? IS IT JUST A STUDY? FEASIBILITY STUDY? MM-HMM
UM, ACTUALLY, SO WE JUST TWO 50 IN THIS YEAR.
THE 1 MILLION WOULD BE DESIGN.
AND WE JUST BASICALLY SAID HOW MUCH IS IT GONNA COST TO BUILD A PARKS HEADQUARTERS? WE JUST THREW A NUMBER OUT 10 MILLION AND THEN YOU'D ROUGHLY TAKE 10% OF WHATEVER YOUR PROJECT COST IS FOR DESIGN.
I WAS JUST QUESTIONING THE, I DIDN'T SEE THE TWO 50 OVER THERE.
SO THE 1 MILLION IS TO START THE DESIGN.
AND THEN 9 MILLION FOR CONSTRUCTION.
BUT THOSE ARE ALL, NOTHING MORE THAN PLACEHOLDER NUMBERS UNTIL WE DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT PROGRAMS WE NEED AND HOW BIG OF A BUILDING WE NEED AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
WE'RE JUST BASICALLY MAKING STUFF UP AT THIS POINT.
I'M GONNA BRING THIS UP AGAIN.
WHY IS THERE A MILLION DOLLARS IN 27? BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD IT UNTIL 29.
DOES IT TAKE THAT LONG TO DO A STUDY AND EVERYTHING, THE DESIGN, A BUILDING AND A SITE AND EVERYTHING? MM-HMM
YOU'RE TYPICALLY LOOKING AT NINE TO 12 MONTHS MINIMUM TO DO THE DESIGN.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY I GIVE MYSELF A LITTLE BIT OF A GAP BECAUSE THAT'S ASSUMING THAT EVERYTHING GOES WELL AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO ACQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL.
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MY MIND SOME, IT'S LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT ON 27, IT'S NOT GONNA BE DO IT IN 28, 29.I, WHY CAN'T IT BE DONE IN 28? YEAH.
AND IT'S TWO YEARS, I MEAN, IS IT, ARE WE RUNNING A POSSIBILITY THAT THE DESIGN THEN WOULD BE OBSOLETE? I'M FORGETTING ABOUT COSTS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT I MEAN, IS THE DESIGN STILL FEASIBLE AFTER, YOU KNOW, 24 MONTHS? I DON'T THINK THE DESIGN WOULD MATTER IN TWO YEARS.
IT'S THE COST IN TWO YEARS THAT WILL BE, IT'S GONNA, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA COST MORE IN TWO YEARS.
BUT THAT DESIGN IS BASED ON, WELL, BUT I MEAN, IT'S NOT REALLY 24 MONTHS BECAUSE IF YOU, LET'S SAY YOU START THE DESIGN THAT'S TRUE.
12 MONTHS IN OCTOBER OF, OF 26, WHICH IS REALLY FY 27 MM-HMM
YOU'RE NOT GONNA FINISH DESIGN UNTIL PROBABLY A YEAR AT THE EARLIEST OCTOBER OF 27.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA START THE PROJECT CONSTRUCTION IN OCTOBER OF 28.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE AQUATICS FEASIBILITY STUDY.
I REMEMBER THERE BEING IDEAS THROWN AROUND OF HAVING THE ISD HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE OF THAT DISCUSSION, SEE IF THERE'S ANY, 'CAUSE IT, THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE FOR THEIR SWIM TEAM TO PRACTICE AND TO HAVE THEIR MEETS AND STUFF.
HAS THAT HAD ANY TRACTION ON THAT CONVERSATION? THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION WHEN THE PARKS BOARD AND THE PARKS DIRECTOR ARE HERE.
I DUNNO, ALSO MAYBE EVEN PARTNERING WITH ANOTHER CITY, TAYLOR VILLE OR, OR A BIGGER ONE WHERE WE CAN DO UIL MEETS AND ALSO UT AUSTIN.
ANY TONS OF SATELLITE PLACES, WHETHER THEY'RE PRELIMS, THAT'S A BIG MONEY TOO.
THAT, THAT KIND OF SEGUES INTO THE REC COMMUNITY CENTER.
I KNOW THERE HAD BEEN TALK ABOUT A JOINT TAYLOR HUDDLE REC CENTER, COMMUNITY CENTER, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
AND I'M SEEING THAT FY 26, THAT'S 175,000 FOR THE, UH, FEASIBILITY STUDY.
WHY NOT ROLL THE AQUATICS INTO THAT? IF THE ISD ISN'T PARTNERING WITH US, THEN MAYBE TAILOR WOULD PARTNER WITH US.
UM, AGAIN, THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE MORE OF A PARKS CONVERSATION.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY WERE THINKING THAT THE REC CENTER NEEDED TO BE SOMETHING SEPARATE FROM THE AQUATICS CENTER AND, AND IT COULD BE, BUT IT ALSO COULD BE CO-LOCATED.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND JUST A REAL, THIS IS WHERE EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY GOES.
I MEAN, FOR THAT MATTER, IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE THEM SEPARATE, YOU COULD ALSO LOOK AT COMBINING YOUR REC CENTER WITH THE LIBRARY.
THAT'S KIND OF, OR AT LEAST A COMMUNITY, THE THIRD SHOE MEETINGS SPACE.
YOU KNOW, I, I THINK FIGURING OUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, YOU KNOW, DO THEY WANT THREE SEPARATE FACILITIES OR DO THEY WANT ONE SINGLE? THIS IS WHERE YOU GO TYPE FACILITY.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
IF, WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT AN AQUATIC CENTER AND A REC CENTER? TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS, PUT 'EM ALL IN ONE.
IT'S, IT'LL SAVE MONEY, I THINK, WON'T IT, MATT? I MEAN, WOULDN'T IT SAVE MONEY DEPENDING ON ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES? YES.
BECAUSE YOU'RE ONLY BUYING ONE CHUNK OF LAND.
YOU'RE ONLY BUILDING ONE MM-HMM
YOU'RE ONLY BUILDING ONE PARKING LOT.
BUT I MEAN, I WOULD BE MUCH MORE IN FAVOR OF DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT INSTEAD OF DOING THE TWO DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
OR YEAH, I'M THINKING THE, THE, THE REC CENTER AND COMMUNITY CENTER SHOULD BE WHERE THE PARKS HEADQUARTERS IS.
PARKS, THE, THEY'RE ALL OFFICED IN ONE BUILDING.
WELL, THAT'S ALSO NOT A BAD IDEA.
IF, IF WE CAN'T MAKE USE OF THAT BUILDING, WELL THEN, YEAH, LET'S PUT PARKS IN THE REC CENTER.
I I I WAS TOLD THAT THE FUTURE PLANS COULD POSSIBLY BE FOR THE POLICE STATION IS AT AMERICAN LEGION HALL.
WHY WOULD WE GIVE IT AWAY? THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT I HAVE VERY GOOD SOURCE.
CAN YOU SCROLL TO THE 2025 AND IS THERE ANYTHING, NOTHING THERE ON THOSE.
JUST JUST THE, UH, THE PARKS STUDY, WHICH HAS NOT ACTUALLY STARTED THE,
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THE DESIGN OF THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING.WE ARE SENDING THE RFQ OUT TO GET MM-HMM
NOW, I THOUGHT THERE WAS TALK ABOUT PUTTING THE PARK HEADQUARTERS IN, UH, DURANGO PARK WHERE THE PARK'S GONNA BE IN DURANGO.
UM, I BELIEVE THERE HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE EVER BEEN FURTHER.
SO YEAH, THERE, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION THEY WERE GONNA USE THE DURANGO PARK PLUS THE DURANGO COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE FUND.
BUT COUNCIL DECIDED TO USE THOSE FUNDS FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
AND SINCE THEY, NOBODY HAS ACTUALLY DONE ANY PROGRAMMING OR FEASIBILITY STUDIES ON WHAT IS ACTUALLY NEEDED IN THE PARKS.
ALL THEY HAD WAS BASICALLY AN UPDATED VERSION OF A MODULAR BUILDING.
SO THEY HAD A COST ESTIMATE FOR THAT.
AND THEY DECIDED NOT TO JUST GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
THAT, WELL, I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS WEIRD THAT THEY WOULD WANNA PUT IT IN A PARK MM-HMM.
AREN'T THEY IN A PARK RIGHT NOW? MM-HMM.
THE PARK BUILDING? WELL, IT'S OUT OUTSIDE THE PARK.
I STILL THINK OF IT AS PART OF THE PARK
HONESTLY, I, LOOKING AT THESE FEASIBILITY STUDIES FOR LIBRARY REC CENTER AND AQUATICS, I HONESTLY THINK THEY SHOULD BE COMBINED.
BUT SOME, SOME TYPE OF COMBINATION.
AND WE COULD MAYBE EVEN DO PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO OF CONSTRUCTION IF THE AQUATIC CENTER OR THE POOL COULD FALL UNDER MAYBE PHASE TWO.
I MEAN, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO ACQUIRE THE LAND MM-HMM
BUT I, I STRONGLY THINK THE REC CENTER, UM, HEADQUARTERS COMMUNITY CENTER SHOULD BE IN ONE LOCATION, CENTRAL LOCATION.
I WOULD ADD THE PARK HEADQUARTERS ON THERE IF WE'RE NOT, IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO USE THAT BUILDING.
I MEAN, YOU COULD ALWAYS BUILD UP AND HAVE THE, THE OFFICES UPSTAIRS.
WHAT IF WE PUT THE LIBRARY THERE ALSO? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
OH, DID YOU? I DIDN'T HEAR FE FEASIBILITY FOR ALL THREE OF THOSE.
AND THEN WE'LL ADD THE PARK HEADQUARTERS AFTER DISCUSSION WITH THE CHIEF AND WHAT'S THAT BUILDING GOING TO BE USED FOR? HMM.
BUT BUT YOU'RE NOT SAYING PUT THEM IN THE SAME LOCATION WITH THE LIBRARY IN THE, IN THE SAME BUILDING.
I'M SAYING PUT 'EM ALL TOGETHER.
BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU THINK ABOUT IT 'CAUSE YOU HAVE, UH, LAP READING TIME WITH THE LITTLE KIDS AND EVERYTHING.
THE A REC CENTER GETS NOISY WITH PEOPLE COMING AND GOING.
POSSIBILITY OF INDOOR BASKETBALL COURT.
THE EXERCISE GYM EQUIPMENT'S CLANGING IT, IT CAN GET PRETTY NOISY.
SO I CAN'T SEE THE LIBRARY GOING IN THERE.
OH, I COULD, YOU COULD PUT IT IN A SEPARATE BUILDING.
OH, ON THE SAME LAND? YEAH, ON THE SAME LAND.
WELL, NO, I'M JUST TALKING ALL IN ONE CENTRALLY LO LO LOCATION.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
ONE COMMUNITY FACILITY, RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU WOULD'VE, THE LIBRARY, YOU'D HAVE THE AQUATIC CENTER.
YOU'D HAVE THE REC CENTER AND YOU'D HAVE THE PARK HEADQUARTERS.
AND IF WE CAN GET THE ISD TO BUY IN ON THE AQUATIC CENTER, THAT'D BE, AND WE CAN GET TAYLOR TO BUY IN ON THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
THEN WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD HAVE LIKE WE A CROWN, A CROWN JEWEL IN EAST WILLIAMSON COUNTY.
IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA PAY FOR IT THOUGH.
COULD, IT COULD RIVAL THE ROUND ROCK LIBRARY OR YOU GOTTA PAY FOR IT.
WHICH
THAT'S, THAT'S AN IMPRESSIVE LIBRARY.
BUT IF WE'VE, IF WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE, UH, I'M GONNA SAY TAXING ENTITIES ALL CONTRIBUTING TO THIS THING, IT COULD BE REALLY SOMETHING.
BUT IF, IF YOU'RE GOING WITH ANOTHER ENTITY THAT'S GOING TO BE LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD, WELL, WHO GETS TO USE IT MOST? AND IT, IT'LL BE LIKE, WELL, WE PUT IN MORE MONEY.
WHY CAN'T OUR PEOPLE USE IT MORE? WHY CAN'T WE SAY WHO GETS TO USE IT FOR WHAT? WELL, THAT WOULD BE IN THE LEGAL, LEGAL, LEGAL CONTRACTS BETWEEN ALL THE ENTITIES.
I, I, NO, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD IDEA.
IF THEY CAN'T COME TO AGREEMENT, WE CAN'T DO IT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
WELL, I DON'T, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO SEEING IF TAYLOR MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT MM-HMM
I DON'T REALLY ANTICIPATE THAT THEY WOULD DO IT.
BUT, UM, I LIKE THE IDEA ABOUT THE THE SCHOOL GOING, GOING TO THE SCHOOL SCHOOL.
ASKING THE SCHOOL IF THEY WOULD CONTRIBUTE BECAUSE OF THE SWIM TEAM.
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YOU KNOW, SO I'M GONNA OPEN THE BLOCKS OF A DIFFERENT THING I HEARD ABOUT, AND Y'ALL CORRECT ME OR TELL ME SOME INSIGHT INTO IT.I THOUGHT THAT THE CITY RECENTLY ALSO GAVE THE YMCA LIKE HALF A MILL.
OH, IT'S GONNA BE MY NEXT QUESTION.
SO WHAT'S UP WITH US AND THE WHY? WHAT'S THE MOST RECENT THING ON THAT RELATIONSHIP? IT'S A CONTRACT WITH THEM.
SO I, AGAIN, I I DON'T KNOW ALL THE INS AND OUTS.
THAT'S LIKE A PARKS DIRECTOR'S THING FOR THAT TOO.
I, I CAN TELL YOU WE DID GIVE THEM $500,000 FOR THE EXPANSION OF THEIR FACILITY, BUT TECHNICALLY IT'S OUR FACILITY.
THE YMCA BUILDING, THE LAND THAT IT SITS ON YEAH.
THEY OPERATE IT ON OUR BEHALF.
THERE'S SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT THERE.
SO HOW IS AND THEY MAINTAIN IT, WHICH MEANS INSTEAD OF PAYING US LEASE PAYMENTS, THEY JUST MAINTAIN IT.
DOES THAT PLAY ANY PART IN OUR THOUGHTS RELATED TO A NEW REC CENTER ON THE WHAT? ON THE WHY? YEAH, BECAUSE THE WHY WILL NOT CEASE TO EXIST WITH THIS MM-HMM
SO AS A CITY, ARE WE GONNA JUST CONTINUE TO LET THEM DO WHAT THEY DO ON OUR LAND? AND WE'RE GONNA OPEN THIS.
WELL, I I BELIEVE THEY SIGNED A 30 YEAR CONTRACT, AT LEAST.
WHAT I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE YMCA IS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE LAND BOUND.
THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE INTERNAL.
THERE IS GONNA BE NO INSPECTIONS OF FOOTPRINT.
TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS IS ALL INTERNAL.
THEY'D, THEY'D HAVE A TOUGH TIME PUTTING AN ABOVE GROUND POOL OR A SAND VOLLEYBALL.
AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT GOING UP.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE DOING EXPANSIONS INTERNAL, BUT THEY ALSO ARE ADDING THINGS EXTERNAL.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY, THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANY MORE LAND.
THEY ARE JUST CHANGING THINGS ON SITE TO ADD EXTRA THINGS.
WELL, I THINK THERE'S SOME COURTS IN THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE OR SOMETHING.
THEY'RE ADDING, THEY'RE ADDING SOME COURTS BACK BEHIND THE BUILDING WHERE I THINK THERE'S PLAYGROUND AND GRASS AND TREES RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN THEY'RE ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL FUNCTIONALITY INSIDE THE BUILDING.
BUT THERE IS NO ENVIRONMENTALLY CONTROLLED BUILDINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE ADDED.
ARE THERE ANY PLANS FROM THE CITY TO GIVE THEM MORE MONEY OUTSIDE OF THE HALF A MILL WE JUST GAVE HIM? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
I, I'M JUST WONDERING 'CAUSE WE COULD REPURPOSE THAT BUDGETED MONEY IF THERE IS SUCH A THING INTO THIS REC CENTER MM-HMM
THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE WHY, LIKE WHY ARE WE GIVING THE MONEY? I DON'T KNOW.
SO, WELL, I I SEE THE BENEFIT OF THE WHY BECAUSE IT DOES PROVIDE A LOT OF SERVICES AND WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY SALARY TO MAN THAT.
BUT THERE'S A, THE ONLY THING WITH THAT ONE IS THE Y REQUIRES YOU TO PAY A MONTHLY FEE.
BUT YOU'RE BEING PAID EITHER WAY.
BUT WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS THAT UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE OPEN UP THE REC CENTER, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER THAT IS, 20 30, 20 35, WHATEVER, I'LL BE DEAD.
IS THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO WORK OUT OR
I'M JUST SAYING IF THE CITY'S GONNA INVEST IN THAT TYPE OF, OF FACILITY, REGARDLESS IF IT'S THE Y OR THIS ONE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE MONEY IS GOING AND WHAT IT'S BEING USED FOR.
SO YEAH, I, I THINK DIVERTING THE MONEY WOULD BE A DETRIMENT TO THE Y NO MATTER WHEN IT'S DONE.
BUT I THINK IT'D BE MUCH HARDER TO JUSTIFY IT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A SEPARATE FACILITY THAT PEOPLE COULD USE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S, I, YEAH, I HATE TO SAY IT'S A NON-STARTER, BUT I THINK IT'S A NON-STARTER.
I AGREE THAT WITHOUT KNOWING THE EXACT LINE ITEMS IN THIS EXPANSION, MY UNDERSTANDING IS A LOT OF THESE ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE GOOD, BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK THEY'RE WELL THOUGHT OUT OF, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE EACH LINE ITEM.
AND SO I FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT, THAT THERE WERE, THEY DID LOOK AT WHAT WAS GOING IN THERE MM-HMM
BUT I WOULD, I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT WAS THE LINE ITEM.
AND THAT'S NOT OUT, THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THIS.
YOU KNOW, AND IF, IF THIS GOES FORWARD, COUNCIL PER IT AS IS, AS FAR AS
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THE REC CENTER AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND THE Y COMES IN AND SAYS WE'D LIKE ANOTHER HALF MILLION IN 28.LET'S, LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
BUT AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, RICK, BECAUSE THAT'S MY QUESTION IS IF THERE'S FUTURE ALLOCATED THOUGHT PROCESS TO GIVE THEM MORE MONEY, LET'S EVALUATE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT I WAS MAKING.
SO, ALRIGHT, SO I'LL, I'LL, I'M GONNA TRY TO INTERPRET WHAT I'M HEARING AND YOU GUYS CAN CORRECT ME.
UH, SO I'M THINKING THAT ON, YOU HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT THIS IS JUST MY THOUGHT.
PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO BE A GO BOND ISSUANCE BECAUSE IT'S $20 MILLION.
SO I'M THINKING WE PROBABLY PUSHED THE $2.4 MILLION.
YOU SAID PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY? YEAH.
SO I'M THINKING THAT, AND, AND I MEAN I'M PROJECTING HERE.
SO YOU GUYS, IT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
PUSH THE $2.4 MILLION TO 27 SO THAT WE HAVE TIME TO PUT ALL THE PAPERWORK TOGETHER, DO THE DESIGN, AND THEN DO THE GO BOND ELECTION TO SEE IF PEOPLE WANNA PAY FOR THAT BUILDING.
SAME THING FOR THE PD BUILDING.
PUSH THAT OUT TO 27 SO THAT WE HAVE TIME TO FINISH THE STUDY AND FEASIBILITY AND GET COST NUMBERS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF TO MAKE SURE THE NUMBERS ARE LEGIT.
PUSH THAT OUT TO A BOND ELECTION IN 27.
KEEP THE LIBRARY, THE REC CENTER, THE AQUATIC CENTER, AND THE PARK HEADQUARTERS FEASIBILITY AND PROGRAMMING STUDIES IN FY 26.
SO THEY CAN ALL BE DONE IN PARALLEL.
AND WE CAN LOOK AT, IS THERE ANY OVERLAP? CAN WE MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO OUT AND BUILD BY COMBINING SOME OF THESE THINGS DOWN THE SAME TIME? WE CAN INCLUDE IN THAT FEASIBILITY THAT CITY COUNCIL WILL TALK TO TAYLOR, THE YMCA, WHOEVER ISD, WHOEVER ELSE THE ISD PD TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN REDUCE THE BURDEN ON THE TAXPAYERS BY SAYING, HEY, YOU GUYS NEED THIS, WE NEED THIS.
WHAT IF WE WENT TOGETHER? YOU PUT IN SOME MONEY.
AND SO THEN THEY CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN.
AND THEN THAT ALLOWS US TO COMPLETE THE FEASIBILITY SO WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING IN THE BUILDINGS, NUMBER ONE.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE SAYING A A REC CENTER, BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YEAH, RIGHT.
IS IT JUST A BIG GYM OR ARE WE ADDING IN WEIGHTS AND, AND TRACK AND PICKLEBALL AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND YEAH.
OR I MEAN, SO UNTIL WE PROGRAM IT AND GET THE FEASIBILITY, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE AN IDEA OF THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING.
RIGHT? I MEAN, 'CAUSE AQUATICS COULD BE A POOL OR IT COULD BE A WATERPARK OR IT COULD BE ANYTHING IN BETWEEN MM-HMM
AND YOU KNOW, THEN THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WOULD ALSO LOOK AT THE PROXIMITY BECAUSE YOU HAVE KALAHARI RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD.
YOU HAVE TYPHOON TEXAS RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD.
SO IS A WATERPARK IN HU EVEN SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK? OR IS IT TOO CLOSE TO EVERYTHING ELSE? MM-HMM
AND THEN MAYBE WE DO WANNA JUST GO WITH THE MUNICIPAL POOL OR MAYBE THE ANSWER IS NO, NO, NO.
GO WITH A WATERPARK BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT KALAHARI DOWN THERE, BUT THAT'S DOWN THERE AND YOU'VE GOT TYPHOON OVER THERE AND YOU'RE GONNA GET ALL THE PEOPLE FROM TAYLOR COMING TO YOUR WATERPARK MM-HMM
AND SO YOU'RE GONNA MAKE BANK OFF OF THAT.
MAYBE WE PUSH THOSE TWO DEBT ISSUANCES OUT A YEAR, KEEP ALL OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDIES IN ONE YEAR, GET THEM ALL DONE AND SEE WHAT KIND OF OVERLAP AND, AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
WELL BE, BEFORE WE DO THAT, WE HAVE A BOND FROM 2018 THAT WAS APPROVED FOR $5 MILLION FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER.
YOU HAVE $5 MILLION THAT WAS APPROVED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
I THOUGHT IT WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR A JUSTICE CENTER, BUT THAT'S, I BELIEVE IT WAS ACTUALLY INTENDED TO BE FOR COMMUNICATIONS BEING ADDED TO THE POLICE STATION.
OH, I, I KNOW WHAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR AND THAT'S WHY I VOTED AGAINST IT BECAUSE THAT'S RIDICULOUS THAT $5 MILLION WON'T DO IT.
BUT THE WAY IT WAS PHRASED IN THE BOND IS PUBLIC SAFETY I, I THOUGHT WAS A JUSTICE CENTER.
IS IT? I IT WAS PRESENTED AS A JUSTICE CENTER.
SO WHAT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE'VE GOT A JUSTICE CENTER BOND AND IF IT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY BOND, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE.
BUT IF IT, IF WE'VE GOT A JUSTICE CENTER BOND, THEN SHOULDN'T THAT $5 MILLION GO INTO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY? AND THAT'S DEBT.
WE'VE ALREADY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE DRAWN IT DOWN YET.
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ISSUANCE OR WE HAVE THE CITIZENS VOTING FOR IT.I DON'T THINK COUNCIL HAS AUTHORIZED ANY SELLING OF BONDS TO WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE YET.
BUT LET'S NOT, LET'S NOT HAVE TWO BONDS FOR THE SAME THING IS I GUESS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
LET'S NOT HAVE A, UH, CALL IT A $50 MILLION BOND FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER AND FORGET ABOUT THIS FIVE.
NO, JUST SAY, SO FROM YOUR SUMMARY, OUR PROJECTED SUMMARY IS THAT TWO 50 K FOR THE PARK, SHE QUARTER 2025 IS GONNA PUSH OUT TO 26.
THAT'S 27 BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING.
MOVE 26 SO THAT IT'S IN LINE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO WE CAN FIND ALL THE OVERLAPS.
JUST CONFIRMING THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING YOU GUYS SAYING THAT YOU THINK MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU HEAR US SAYING, WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
DID WE SAY TO MOVE F FO ONE AND FO TWO? NO YOU DIDN'T, BUT YOU SAID THAT.
TO ME, AND AGAIN, THIS IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
I'M JUST THROWING THINGS OUT THERE.
UHHUH,
IN ORDER TO PAY FOR A 20 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING AND A 50 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
'CAUSE THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY THAT'S LAYING AROUND.
UM, SO WHEN, WHEN WOULD YOU, THEY PUSH THOSE OUT TO 27 SO THAT WE HAVE TIME TO REALLY WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND WHAT IT'S GONNA COST US SO THAT WHEN WE GO OUT FOR ANOTHER GO ELECTION, WE CAN ACTUALLY TELL PEOPLE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING OUT FOR.
AND THAT WOULD PUSH OUT THE SIX 20 5K TO 2026? NO, THE 6 25.
JUST THE ONE, JUST THE STAYS EXACTLY WHERE IT IS BECAUSE COUNCIL'S ALREADY JUST THE 2.4 APPROVED THAT AND SAID GO.
SO WHEN WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE A GEO, UH, BEING PRESENTED? UH, WELL, YOU CAN ONLY DO THEM IN NOVEMBER OR MAY.
AND SO, BUT I MEAN, WHAT OF WHAT YEAR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, DO YOU THINK? UH, SO IF WE PUSH IT OUT TO 27, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE NOVEMBER OF 26 OR MAY OF 27 WOULD BE THE TIMELINES THAT YOU WOULD GO OUT FOR ONE OF THOSE ELECTIONS? I I WOULD HOPE IT WOULD BE I STUDIES FIRST.
I I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME THAT IT, WE WOULD WANNA DO IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
I MEAN, NOW ONE, ONE OTHER THING ON THE, UH, POLICE STATION JUSTICE CENTER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT HITTING THE INS RATE.
CORRECT? WELL, ANY DEBT THAT YOU ISSUE FOR YOUR CIP ON, SO MM-HMM
I SHOULDN'T SAY ANY, ANYTHING THAT'S NOT UTILITY RELATED.
IS GONNA HIT THE INS RATE, RIGHT? YES.
SO MAYBE, AND MAY, MAYBE I'M GETTING TOO FAR INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS, BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A WILCO DISPATCH BILL EVERY YEAR.
DROPPING THAT IN AND SAYING, OKAY, HERE'S HOW MUCH WE'RE PAYING AND THAT'S HOW THIS IS 2% OR WHATEVER OF THE M AND O RATE.
AND THEN COMPARING THAT TO WHAT, WHAT THE NEW FACILITY INS RATE IS.
I KNOW IT'S KIND OF APPLES AND ORANGES, BUT IT'S STILL DOLLARS.
SO IF WE'RE SPENDING $2 MILLION FOR WILCO DISPATCH AND THAT IS A 2% HIT ON OUR M AND O RAISING EVERYBODY'S PROPERTY TAXES AND WE DO A 1.5% HIT OR 1.50 CENT HIT ON THE INS RATE WITH THE NEW FACILITY, WE'RE SAVING PEOPLE MONEY.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO STAFF IT.
SO YOUR M AND O RATE IS STILL GONNA GO UP.
YOU'RE NOT SAVING, YOU'RE JUST SHIFTING FROM PAYING IT OVER HERE TO THE COUNTY TO NOW PAYING YOUR SALARY, HEALTH INSURANCE, ALL THAT STUFF TO YOUR EMPLOYEES.
BUT IT'S NOT TO THE TUNE, IT'S NOT TO THE TUNE OF THE EVER INCREASING WILCO DISPATCH.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IT'S A, A CUT.
I'M NOT PAYING THIS AND I'M HAVING THE I NS,
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LIKE THERE'S ADDITIONAL DOLLARS YES.THAT HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR.
THERE ARE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR.
BUT IT WOULD BE A, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD INDICATION THAT YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE LOSING THIS BIG PAYMENT.
WE STILL HAVE TO MAKE OTHER PAYMENTS, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
WE'RE LOSING THIS BIG PAYMENT.
SO IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT ADDING ONE AND A HALF ON TOP OF THE TWO.
DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD HELP OUR DECISION MAKING, BUT IT MIGHT HELP COUNCILS.
I THINK YOU, WHAT YOU SAID, I THINK SOMETHING THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE EVEN DISCUSSED THIS AS PART OF THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION FOR ANYTHING IS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, DOES THAT INCLUDE STAFF AND SALARIES AND BENEFITS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS? BECAUSE ALL OF THESE NEW BUILDINGS ARE GONNA REQUIRE ADDITIONAL STAFF.
THE FEASIBILITY DOES NOT GET INTO BENEFITS AND HEALTH INSURANCE AND ALL THAT.
WE WOULD NEED THIS MANY NEW PARKS PEOPLE, THIS MANY NEW MAINTENANCE PEOPLE, THIS MANY NEW DISPATCHERS, THIS MANY NEW.
'CAUSE IT LOOK, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE FEASIBILITY IS THAT YOU'RE PROGRAMMING OUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT.
AND THEN YOU, YOU SAY, OKAY, NOW WE HAVE ALL THESE NEW RECREATION BUILDINGS, ALL THESE NEW AQUATICS THINGS, ALL THESE NEW OFFICES, ALL THESE NEW THINGS.
SO NOW WE NEED, YOU KNOW, THREE NEW JANITORIAL STAFF WE NEED.
IT'S THAT PART THAT I DON'T THINK THAT WE THINK ABOUT BECAUSE NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE BRINGING IN INCOME TO THE CITY.
THESE ARE ALL, WELL, LIKE I'M THINKING LIBRARY REC CENTER, AQUATIC CENTER, THAT'S JUST A COST.
THERE'S NO REVENUE COMING BACK.
SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO THERE'S, SO THAT'S JUST AN ADDITIONAL, I'M SURE THE LIBRARY DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANY MONEY.
THE AQUATIC CENTER DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANY MONEY.
THE REC CENTER DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANY MONEY AS A CITY.
BUT IT COSTS YOU MONEY TO BUILD IT AND IT COSTS YOU MONEY TO MAINTAIN IT AND TO STAFF IT.
SO THOSE ARE LIKE THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE THAT I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR, NOT IN THE CIP PLAN.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO SOLVE HERE MM-HMM
BUT JUST WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND WE SAY WE WANNA HAVE WHATEVER LIBRARY, HOW MANY LIBRARIANS OR SUPPORT STAFF DOES THAT ACTUALLY NEED? AND WHAT'S THE COST OF THAT AND WHAT DOES THAT DO? GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT YOUR TAX RATE MM-HMM
HOW MUCH ARE MY TAXES GONNA GO UP TO SUPPORT THE MAINTENANCE, NOT JUST THE BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE MAYBE I DON'T WANNA PAY FOR THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THIS IS GONNA COST IN THE LONG RUN.
SO YOU MIGHT BUILD THIS, EVERYBODY'S THINKING, I LOVE IT AND IT'S AMAZING.
AND THEN THEIR TAX BILL GOES UP BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THE STAFF AND THEN EVERYBODY'S LIKE, OH MAN.
YOU KNOW? SO I, I WOULDN'T JUST THAT, I WOULDN'T DISAGREE ON ALL OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT ON THE REC CENTER AND THE AQUATIC CENTER, AND I, THE REASON I SAY THIS IS 'CAUSE I, I HAVE BEEN IN CITIES WHERE THEY HAVE DONE THIS WHERE THEY SPECIFICALLY SET THEM UP TO BE A REVENUE STREAM.
AND SO IF YOU, IF YOU, SO I, I CAN GIVE YOU SPECIFIC EXAMPLES FROM MY BACKGROUND OF CITIES WHERE THEY BASICALLY SAID, WE DON'T WANT A POOL.
WE DON'T WANNA JUST BUILD A CITY POOL 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE ANY MONEY.
THAT'S A SERVICE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO WHAT THEY CHOSE TO DO WAS BUILD AN AQUATIC CENTER THAT WAS LIKE A FULL ON WATERPARK POOL, THE WHOLE THING.
THEY CHARGE ADMISSION JUST LIKE TYPHOON OR KALAHARI, PROBABLY NOT TO THAT HIGH OF A LEVEL OLD, OLD SETTLERS.
AND, AND THEY WERE PAID OFF WITHIN I THINK FIVE YEARS OF FINISHING CONSTRUCTION.
AND NOW IT'S JUST A CONSTANT MONEY GENERATOR FOR THE CITY.
I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH THAT, MATT, BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU INTEND TO DO WITH THE BUILDING.
SO THAT'S A BIG PART OF IT BECAUSE MY EXPERIENCE IS THESE THINGS ARE FREE OR VERY, NOT ENOUGH TO COVER THE COST OF THE STAFF THAT WORK THERE MOST, YOU KNOW, SO, AND WITH MOST RIGHT.
WOULD THE FEASIBILITY STUDIES TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT LOOKING AT
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IF WE TELL THEM, HEY, WE WANT AN AQUATIC CENTER THAT YOU KNOW IS JUST GONNA SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AND THAT'S ALL WE WANT, THAT'S DIFFERENT.THEN THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER FOR US.
IF WE TELL THEM WE WANT AN AQUATIC CENTER THAT'S GONNA COMPETE WITH OLD SETTLERS, IT'S GONNA COMPETE WITH KALAHARI, IT'S GONNA COMPETE WITH TYPHOON TEXAS, THAT'S GONNA BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ANSWER THAT THEY GIVE US.
AND SO WE AS A COMMUNITY, YOU GUYS AS A RECOMMENDING BOARD, HAVE TO TALK TO CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, YES, MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AQUATICS CENTER, BUT WE THINK IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT GENERATES REVENUE FOR THE CITY.
NOT JUST, HEY, WE'RE GONNA CHARGE YOU A QUARTER, COME ON IN, KIND OF THING.
WELL YOU BUY, YOU BUY A EXPERIENCE.
WHY YOU BUY A MEMBERSHIP? THAT'S NOT MY EXPERIENCE FROM WHERE I'VE LIVED.
WELL I'M JUST GONNA TELL YOU, IN FLORIDA, THE REC CENTER THEY BUILT THERE UNDERSTOOD.
YOU, YOU JOINED IT, YOU PAID X AMOUNT OF MONEY A YEAR, JUST LIKE YOU DO AT THE Y THERE'S A RATE FOR RESIDENT AND THERE'S A RATE FOR NON-TAX PAYING.
THERE WAS RIGHT, THERE WAS, IF YOU'RE AFL REAL CITIZEN, YOU PAID ONE AMOUNT.
IF YOU LIVED IN HUDA, YOU PAID A DIFFERENT AMOUNT.
I THINK WE DO NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS THOUGH, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD US TALK ABOUT NOT US PEOPLE WHO SIT IN THESE CHAIRS OTHER THAN US MM-HMM
TALK ABOUT THE WHY AND HOW THERE'S A COST AFFILIATED WITH THAT.
AND THERE'S NOT, EVERYBODY IN HU CAN AFFORD TO PAY THAT.
AND SO THEY ARE HAVE THE DESIRE TO HAVE THIS BE MORE COST AFFORDABLE KIND OF THING.
SO I THINK UNDERSTANDING TRULY WHAT THE GOAL IS WITH THIS, UM, MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
BECAUSE THAT SHOULD ALSO BE COMMUNICATED TO THE CITY IF WE DO GO FOR A BOND.
BUT, BUT PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, IF YOU WANT ALL OF THESE AMENITIES IN THE CITY YOU PAY FOR, YOU GOTTA PAY FOR 'EM SOMEHOW.
WELL, YOU'VE GOT TO PAY FOR 'EM SOMEHOW.
YOU EITHER PAY FOR 'EM THROUGH RAISING YOUR TAXES OR, OR, OR YOU CHARGE AN ADMISSION OR YOU DON'T HAVE 'EM AT ALL.
I DON'T DISAGREE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING EXPLAIN THAT.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOUR PROPOSE, LIKE WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS JUST RIGHT HERE, JUST WITH US FIVE, HOWEVER MANY OF US ARE IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES, WHICH TO THAT'S VERY TRUE.
WHICH LEAD TO DIFFERENT PERCEPTIONS OF WHAT THIS IS GONNA BE.
SO WE'RE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO I'M I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHEN THIS IS DISCUSSED, JUST MAKE IT CLEAR SO THAT WHOEVER HAS A VOTE TO MAKE A BILL TO PAY, THEY'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH WHAT EXACTLY WE'RE SAYING THIS IS GONNA BE.
SO ONE, ONE THING THAT I'VE HEARD OVER THE YEARS HERE IN HU IS WE DON'T HAVE A FACILITY TO DO THE, UH, CHAMBER GALA, OR WE DON'T HAVE A FACILITY TO DO.
NOW, IF WE KIND OF GET OUTTA THE MINDSET, JUST A LITTLE OF IT BEING A REC CENTER, LIKE A GYM OR A Y AND HAVE IT A COMMUNITY CENTER.
LIKE IT, A MULTI MULTIFUNCTION MULTIFUNCTION, RIGHT.
WHERE, WHERE THERE'S, WHERE THERE IS SPACE TO DO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
NOW IT IS A BIT OF A REVENUE STREAM BECAUSE WE CAN RENT THAT OUT.
WE CAN HAVE A MINI COMIC CON THERE OR WE CAN HAVE A YEAH.
AND COULD RENT IT OUT FOR WEDDINGS.
I, YOU KNOW, I I THINK ABOUT THE HEB CENTER IN CEDAR PARK AND THEY USE THAT FOR GRADUATION.
AND I KNOW THEY MAKE MONEY ON THAT 'CAUSE THEY CHARGE FOR PARKING, THEY CHARGE FOR ADMISSION, YOU KNOW, CONCESSIONS, EVERYTHING.
THE THING ABOUT THE, UH, REC CENTER AND THE AQUATIC CENTER, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE COMPETITIVE WITH THE Y IF THEY'RE NOT COMPETITIVE WITH THE Y WHO EVER, WHO'S EVER CHEAPER IS GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
I, I, I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THE WHY IF, IF THE WHY REALLY IS OUR PARTNER IS OUR, WHAT IS OUR PARTNER, THE CITY OF HU'S PARTNER.
IF WE'RE PARTNERED WITH THE WHY, THEN THEY COULD, WE COULD VERY EASILY SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND SAY, LOOK, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ADULT SWIMMING OVER AT THIS REC CENTER, AQUATIC CENTER, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE KIDS AND TEENS OVER AT THE Y BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE CHILDCARE IS.
OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
I'M JUST KIND OF SPIT BALLING HERE.
BUT I THINK WE CAN, I THINK WE CAN STILL MAKE USE OF THE Y WITHOUT IT BEING COMPETITIVE.
I THINK WE CAN MAKE IT COMPLIMENTARY.
YOU KNOW, SENIOR SWIM AT THE Y
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VERY POPULAR.I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE MYSELF A LOT ADVERTISING
BUT YOU GOTTA BECOME A SENIOR FIRST.
I WAS REMINDED BY MY MOTHER THAT I AM NOW A SENIOR.
I BELIEVE ROUND ROCK HAS BOTH, DON'T THEY? THEY HAVE A Y AND A REC CENTER.
LIKE, LIKE CLAY MADSON IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM THE Y ON MAYS.
THE ONE ON MAYS IS, IS IS UH, MORE GEARED TOWARDS SENIOR CITIZEN AND IT'S SEPARATED FOR CLASSES AND RACKETBALL, STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND CLAY MADSON HAS THE SKATE PARK BEHIND IT.
AND THE OUTDOOR VOLLEYBALL AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I'M GONNA SWITCH GEARS BACK TO THE TOTALLY DIFFERENT FACILITIES BACK TO THE JUSTICE CENTER.
THIS IS THE, THE 2018 BOND PROPOSITION B, IT'S FOR PLANNING, DESIGNING, CONSTRUCTING, PURCHASING, RENOVATING, REPAIRING, REPLACING, IMPROVING, EXPANDING AND EQUIPPING PUBLIC SAFETY AND COMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES FOR THE CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING AUDIO AND VISUAL TECHNOLOGY AND RELATED SOFTWARE OR HARDWARE AND CONNECTION WITH SUCH FACILITIES AND OTHER RELATED COSTS.
TO ME, CAN'T THAT BE APPLIED TO THE DISPATCH CONTRACT JUSTICE? I'M NOT SAYING IT HAS TO BE ANSWERED HERE, BUT I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT.
SO ASHLEY AND I WERE BOTH HERE AT THAT TIME AND THE MAIN IMPETUS FOR THE $5 MILLION BOND WAS BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNICATIONS ISSUE.
UM, THE, THE HOWEVER, YOU CAN'T JUST, IT'S NOT THAT EASY JUST TO GO OUT AND BUILD A COMMUNICATIONS BUILDING.
SO THE THOUGHT WAS WHEN THE CITY STAFF MOVED OUT OF THAT BUILDING, WE KNEW THAT THE PD WAS GONNA TAKE THAT BUILDING OVER.
SO THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT WAS WE WOULD RENOVATE THAT BUILDING TO ADD IN EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEEDED.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT PRIOR TO BUILDING A FACILITY, CAN THIS $5 MILLION BE USED ON THE LEASE AGREEMENT PAYMENTS PRIOR TO A FACILITY FOR WHAT WE'RE PAYING TO GEORGETOWN? I DON'T THINK IT CAN BE.
I I, I'M NOT SAYING IT HAS THE ANSWER HERE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT BE, IT DOES SAY IT FOR SUCH FACILITIES AND OTHER RELATED COSTS.
SO PEOPLE THAT WRITE THESE BOND WORDING TRY TO MAKE IT AS YEAH.
BROAD AS POSSIBLE, BUT THAT'S OUTSIDE OF ME AND PROBABLY HERE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT A MILLION A YEAR RIGHT NOW AND IT'S ESCALATING ABOUT 25% EVERY YEAR.
AND THEN YOU PAYING AT LEAST A THIRD PARTY.
I DON'T, I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO CHECK WITH PARTY BOND COUNSEL TO SEE IF IT'S LEGAL TO USE.
OBVIOUSLY THE TO FOR COUNCIL TO GO ISSUE THE ACTUAL BONDS TO PAY WILLIAMSON COUNTY.
SO, SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, THAT'S THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS USED TO PUT IT ON A BOND ELECTION.
SO CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN AUTHORIZED BY THE CITIZENS OF HUDU TO ISSUE $5 MILLION IN BONDS AND INCREASE THEIR TAXES ACCORDINGLY.
HOWEVER, COUNSEL HAS NOT ACTUALLY ISSUED THOSE BONDS YET.
SO THEY HAVE THE AUTHORIZATION, THEY JUST HAVE NOT TAKEN ANY ACTION ON IT.
SO I'VE, I'VE EDITED THE SPREADSHEET THAT'S IN FRONT OF US ALL HERE.
I'VE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED THE THINGS THAT SHIFTED.
SO WE MOVED THE 2.4 AND THE 7.9 MM-HMM
WE MOVED THE 250 FROM 25 TO 26.
UM, I THINK THAT'S IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HERE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER CHANGES THAT YOU GUYS THINK WE NEED TO MAKE TO THE FACILITIES? ARE THERE ANY FACILITIES ON HERE THAT NEED TO COME OFF? ARE THERE ANY FACILITIES THAT AREN'T ON HERE THAT WE NEED TO ADD? WELL, I, I WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK.
IS EVERYONE GOOD WITH THE THREE RIGHT ITEMS ON, ON THERE? THE 2.3 AND 2027 FROM 2026 GOING TO 2027.
THE 7.9 GOING FROM 2026 TO 2027.
EVERYONE GOOD WITHOUT THOSE TWO? MM-HMM
AND THEN THE 250 BUNDLING THAT, UH, WHAT IS IT GOING TO? 2026 BUN DELE.
AND THAT'S THE TWO 50 FOR THE PARK HEADQUARTERS.
BUN BUNDLING THAT ALL UNTIL WE TALK TO PARKS.
AND THEN YEAH, WE'VE GOT, UH, FROM WHAT I'M SEEING, FOUR CONVERSATIONS THAT NEED TO BE HAD ISD POLICE, TAYLOR AND UH, UH, FIVE, SORRY.
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AND YMCA.OH, SINCE WE'RE MOVING THIS OVER.
DO, DOES THE, UH, MILLION DOLLAR DEBT, UH, FOR THE, UH, PARKS HEADQUARTERS, DOES THAT NEED TO BE MOVED OVER TO 28? OH, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT ON 27.
I I WOULDN'T SAY LEAVE IT ON 27 BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN ALL THE OTHER DEBT PLANS.
IT'S JUST THAT I KNEW WE MOVED MONEY O OKAY.
WHICH I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE GONNA MOVE EVERYTHING OVER ONE.
SO CAN WE TALK ABOUT MOVING THE DOWNTOWN RESTROOMS UP? OH, GOOD POINT.
WELL, SO STILL PUBLIC FACILITIES DOWNTOWN IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA FOR THE PUBLIC TO USE WHEN THEY'RE DOING, UH, CORRECT EVENTS.
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING TO LOCATE THESE? YEAH.
UH, I WOULD IMAGINE IT'D BE SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO THE PARKING LOT, WHICH TRY, THERE'S SOME LAND THERE.
YOU MEAN ACROSS FROM MARIO'S THERE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
THEY MIGHT BE THIN, SKINNY, BUT
I CAN SEE THAT SINCE THEY'RE GONNA START DOING FARMER'S MARKETS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF THERE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF PUBLIC RESTROOM.
AND SO WHY WAIT TILL 29 IF IT'S, IS IT ONLY ONLY, I USE THAT WORD LOOSELY, HALF A MIL FOR THAT WHOLE THING? OR IS THERE MORE COST? LIKE DO WE NEED TO SCOOT THE SPREADSHEET DOWN MORE
SO THEN I RECOMMEND THAT WE SCOOT IT UP SOME, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YEAR Y'ALL WANNA PUT IT IN, BUT I, LET'S TALK ABOUT MAYBE MOVING IT NOT IN 29, MOVING IT SOONER.
WHEN ARE YOU SAYING MOVING IT EARLIER OR, YEAH.
OH, I, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THE SAME THING.
I REALLY THINK THE RESTROOMS NEED TO BE MOVED UP.
NOW MY QUESTION WITH MOVING IT TO THE LEFT IS, WILL THAT KNOCK THE COST DOWN? UM, SO THAT COST, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY DESIGN AT THIS POINT.
IT'S, IT WAS JUST WERERE ADDING A DOWNTOWN RESTROOM, PUT A NUMBER IN THERE IN A YEAR.
SO THAT, THAT'S JUST A PLACEHOLDER NUMBER AT THIS POINT.
UNTIL WE GET DETAILED DESIGN AND KNOW EXACTLY THE, THE SIZE OF EVERYTHING THIS IS BASED ON, OH YEAH.
FRITZ PARK RESTROOMS COST, UH, 380,000.
IF WE PUSH IT FOUR YEARS, THEN THEY'RE GONNA BE THIS AMOUNT.
A BATHROOM IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
YOU DON'T WANNA GO TO A GAS STATION LOOKING BATHROOM.
I MEAN, WHERE'S ONE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM NO ONE DOES
I BUT QUESTION ABOUT MAINTENANCE COMES AT A LATER DATE WHERE THERE BEHIND THE BARBECUE PLACE IT'S PUBLIC OR IT'S PRIVATE.
THE ONLY BAD, THE ONLY BAD THING ABOUT PUTTING IT DOWN BY THE, BY THE, I KNOW GIN UHHUH
THAT'S A PRETTY FAR WALK FROM DOWNTOWN.
WELL, IT'S BETTER THAN NO WALK AT ALL.
MOST OF THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN HAVE RESTROOMS. YEAH.
YOU GOTTA LOOK AT THE PRANK SIDE.
MOST OF THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN HAVE RESTAURANTS.
THEY DO, BUT FOR THEIR PATRONS.
AND IF YOU GO IN AND YOU BUY A, YOU KNOW, BOTTLE OF WATER, YOU'RE NOW A PATRON.
BUT NOBODY WANTS SOME SOAKING WET KIT FROM THE WATER SPLASH PAD.
WE'LL GO INTO THE RESTAURANTS MAKING A MESS, BUT FROM THE SPLASH PAD DOWN TO THERE, IT MAKES WAY MORE SENSE TO PUT IT CLOSE TO THE SPLASH PAD.
THAT, THAT'S MY POINT REGARDING, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S STUFF ON, IT'S TOO CLOSE.
'CAUSE THE SMELL, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SIT DOWN THERE EATING THEIR FOOD, HAVING TIME, NOT TOO CLOSE.
BUT THE GIN BUILDING IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT COULD WALK.
I KNOW I'M SAYING IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SPLASH PAD.
IT'S THREE BLOCKS FROM EAST STREET AND THE BUSINESSES DOWN THERE, BUT THE BUSINESSES HAVE THEIR RESTROOMS. MOST OF THE BUSINESSES SAY THEY'RE ON.
IF YOU'RE DOWN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND YOU BUY A BOTTLE OF WATER AND USE THE RESTROOM, THEY DO HAVE THEIR RESTROOMS. YEAH.
BUT IF YOU HAVE AN EVENT ON THE PARK LAWN OVER HERE, IT'S THE THOUGHT OR
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DO YOU KNOW BATHROOM? YEAH.OF PUTTING THE BATHROOM AT THE GYM.
BUT SO THE, THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT, BASED ON WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD WAS THAT BECAUSE WE WERE TAKING OVER CONTROL OF THE GIN AGAIN, AND WE WERE GONNA START RENTING IT OUT FOR FARMERS' MARKETS AND OTHER EVENTS, THERE'S NO RESTROOM RIGHT.
ANYWHERE FOR THE PEOPLE TO USE BECAUSE THERE'S NO RESTROOMS IN THE GIN BUILDING.
SO IT WAS GOING TO BE TO ADD A PUBLIC RESTROOM SOMEWHERE IN THE VICINITY OF THE GIN SO THAT IF PEOPLE ARE HAVING EVENTS THERE, THEY HAVE A PLACE THAT THEY CAN GO TO USE FACILITIES.
SO IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM THERE TO ADD ONTO THE GYM TO DO THAT? IT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY IN THE GIN BUILDING OR IT WOULD JUST POTENTIALLY BE OVER THERE WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE PROPERTIES.
NO, I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET A PICTURE OF, OF LIKE, UM, WHERE THEY PUT THE LUXURY, UH, PORTA JOHNS ON THE TRAILER.
IS CLOSE TO THE GIN, BUT IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO THE GIN.
SO IS THAT PROPERTY THE CITY OWNS OR IS THAT PROPERTY THAT THE CO-OP OWNS THE CITY OWN? I'M NOT SURE, BUT THERE IS SPACE ON THE PROPERTY THAT THE CITY OWNS.
I I I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH PROPERTY THE CITY OWNS THERE.
I MEAN, WE COULD, WE COULD HAVE THE RESTROOMS ALMOST RIGHT ON THE SIDEWALK ON CO-OPS STREET.
I STILL SAY WE MOVE IT UP, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT MOVED UP TOO.
I, I WAS GONNA SAY 27, BUT LOOKING AT ALL THE FEASIBILITIES IN 27, I THINK MAYBE 26 IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.
AND IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT HARD, RIGHT.
TO PLAN IT INTO IT'S A RESTROOM BATHROOM, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE HAD IT IN SINK.
IT'S KIND OF OBVIOUS LIKE WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO.
IT'S ABOVE THE, SO A SQUARE BUILDING, A RECTANGLE BUILDING, HALF OF IT'S WOMEN, HALF OF IT'S MEN.
DONE WHAT I'M, WHAT ABOUT NEEDS TO BE A DA WHAT I'M KIND OF HOPING THOUGH, IS THAT THE FRITZ PARK BATHROOM RENOVATION, WE CAN THEN USE SOME OF THE PLANS OR WHATEVER HERE.
BUT YOU TELL WE HAD TO WALK OVER THERE.
OH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA TELL US.
WE HAVE TO WALK TO FRITZ PARK OVER THERE.
THAT'S EXACTLY, NO, THE FRITZ WE'RE, WE'RE, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE'RE REDOING THE FIRST PART STUFF.
LET'S JUST CARBON COPY THAT RIGHT OVER TO THE GIN BUILDING AND SAVE SOME DOLLARS.
MAKES SENSE MEAN YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE THE ENTIRE PLANS AND APPLY THEM.
TOPO ISS DIFFERENT UTILITIES ARE DIFFERENT.
BUT I MEAN THE, THE CONCEPTUALLY WALLS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
YOU COULD BASICALLY PICK THAT UP AND, AND YEAH, I KNOW THE, WE'RE ALSO DOING A RESTROOM, THE ELECTRICAL AND THE WATER AND WASTEWATER.
THAT'S ALL GONNA BE DIFFERENT.
WE'RE ALSO DOING A RESTROOM IN, UH, ADAM ORAIN PARK RIGHT NOW.
AND SO WE HAVE THOSE FOUR WALLS AND UM, YEP.
I MEAN, WE COULD PICK THAT UP.
AND BASICALLY, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE SITE AND CONNECTIONS AND THE, THE COST.
BUT THE STRUCTURE BIT THAT'S ALREADY IS GONNA BE A WHOLE LOT LESS THAN REDOING IT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL FOR EVERY BATHROOM.
BUT EVEN IF, EVEN IF CONSTRUCTION ET CETERA GETS PUSHED OUT AFTER THESE FEASIBLE FEASIBILITY STUDIES, AT LEAST THE STUDY HAS BEEN CONDUCTED.
WE CAN GO BACK AND REVISIT AND, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND GO, YEAH.
DO WE STILL WANT THAT? BUT AT LEAST IT'S BEEN DONE.
IT'S SITTING ON A SHELF COLLECTING DUST, BUT AT LEAST IT'S BEEN DONE.
UM, I, I GUESS A NEW ITEM HERE, SINCE REGARDING OUR NEW, UH, P AND Z REQUIREMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL, WE'VE DONE THE WHAT AND THE WIN.
NOW IT SAYS, HOW MUCH ARE WE WILLING TO PAY OR SUPPORT FOR NU TAXES AND M AND O WITH WATER RATES? WELL, FOR 26, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THOSE EXCEPT THE DOWNTOWN RESTROOM WOULD TOUCH ANYTHING M AND O.
WELL, SO LET, LET ME JUMP IN HERE REAL QUICK.
I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE
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WAIT, WAIT, START TALKING ABOUT TAX RATES AND UTILITY RATES, BECAUSE ALL WE'VE DONE SO FAR IS FACILITIES.WE STILL GOTTA GET THROUGH PARKS.
WE STILL GOTTA GET THROUGH STREETS, WE STILL GOTTA GET THROUGH DRAINAGE.
EVERY, IF YOU SHIFTED EVERYTHING AROUND TONIGHT TO TRY TO GET YOUR TAX RATES RIGHT, YOU'RE GONNA DESTROY IT WHENEVER YOU START DOING PARKS, STREETS AND DRAINAGE.
AND SAME THING WHEN WE JUMP OVER HERE TO THE UTILITIES AND START TALKING ABOUT WASTEWATER.
IF YOU STARTED TRYING TO PLAY AROUND WITH THE NUMBERS TO GET YOUR RATES SET JUST THE WAY YOU WANT THEM.
YOU'RE NOT TAKING IT INTO ACCOUNT WATER AT THIS POINT.
SO ARE WE GOOD FOR NOW ON FACILITIES UNTIL WE TALK TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT? PEOPLE OR PARKS BOARD? BLESS YOU, RIGHT, MARCIA? I THINK SO.
UH, I DO WANT TO MENTION, BECAUSE IT'S COME UP OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, UH, SEEMS EVERY YEAR SOMEONE'S MENTIONING A MUSEUM, SOMEONE, UH, IS LIKE, HEY, WHAT ABOUT A HURO MUSEUM? WHAT ABOUT SOME SORT OF REPOSITORY OF HURO HISTORY? AND I'VE HEARD IT FROM, UH, THE DOWNTOWN, UH, FOLKS.
I'VE HEARD IT FROM, UH, THE, UH, COALITION THAT'S WRITING THE HATO HISTORY BOOK.
AND I'VE EVEN HEARD IT FROM SOME PARKS IN THE PAST WHERE, SO IS, IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANT TO EVEN START TO CONSIDER? MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE INCLUDE THAT IN WHATEVER PLAN YOU HAVE FOR THE LIBRARY.
THERE'S, THERE'S GOTTA BE A CREATIVE WAY WHERE YOU CAN MIX THE TWO.
JUST SOMEBODY CREATIVE, MORE CREATIVE THAN ME CAN MAYBE COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THAT REQUEST YEP.
AND FULFILL THE LIBRARY AND YEAH.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE HEARD IDEAS FLOATED LIKE, OH, WE COULD PUT IT OVER AT PETERSON'S, GAR PETERSON GARDENS, WE CAN PUT IT IN THE DURANGO PARK.
AND YOU KNOW, JUST OVER THE YEARS I'VE HEARD OVER IT COME UP O SEVERAL TIMES.
I'M LIKE, IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO KIND OF SCRATCH THAT ITCH? I KNOW MIKE FOWLER WOULD LIKE IT 'CAUSE HIS GARAGE IS FULL.
ANTIQUE STUFF THAT OF HOW TO HE'S PART OF THAT COALITION OF HE SURE.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE SPACE HERE IN THIS LIBRARY.
BUT WE COULD POTENTIALLY, IF WE DID IT RIGHT, YEP.
IF WE DID IT RIGHT, WE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, HISTORY OF HU IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF HUDU.
WE JUST HAVE TO BUY A LITTLE BIT MORE LAND.
I'M LIKING THAT MORE AND MORE.
UH, THEN OTHER, OTHER THAN THAT, I CAN'T THINK OF ANY FACILITIES.
DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO DO ALL THIS AND VOTE ON IT? OR, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT WE DID LAST TIME.
DO WE WANT TO DO MOTIONS BY SECTION OR DO YOU WANT TO IN TOTAL MOTION? CAN WE WAIT TO MAKE THE MOTION ON THIS UNTIL AFTER WE TALK TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND PARK BOARD? BECAUSE WE NEED THEIR, IN THEIR GOOD IDEA PERSPECTIVE.
I, I, I WOULD SAY THAT THE MOTION SHOULD BE TO BEGIN THOSE TALKS.
WELL, IT'S SCHEDULED FOR NEXT TUESDAY.
RIGHT? THAT'S PARKS, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT'S YEAH, BUT THAT'S NOT ISD YEAH.
NEXT, NEXT TUESDAY WOULD BE ANOTHER PART OF YOUR INS, BUT IT COULD ALSO BE THAT YOU JUST DIRECT STOP.
HEY, I THINK WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THESE DATES AND THEN WE COME BACK AND YOU MAKE THE ACTUAL MOTION ON THE FULL CIP ON MAY 20TH.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN THE SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND THAT'S ONCE YOU'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR INS AND YOUR M AND L.
AND THE PARKS MEETING IS TWO WEEKS.
IT'S PROBABLY JUST BETTER TO MAKE ONE MOTION AT THE END.
BUT LIKE, WE DON'T, IT PROBABLY IS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY JOINT SESSION WITH THE ISD.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY INPUT SCHEDULED FROM POLICE.
WELL, I THINK IF WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL THAT THEY GO TO ISD AND TALK TO ISD, WE'VE DONE OUR PART, THEN IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL TO DO THEIR PART.
THAT SHOULD BE A MOTION FOR US A RECOMMENDATION YEAH.
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BUT WE COULD DO THAT AT THE END.NO, I'M JUST, I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING THERE WOULD BE TOO MANY MOTIONS.
I MEAN, THE WAY THERE'D BE BE 900 MOTIONS ABOUT IT IN VOTES BY THE TIME IT'S JUST EASIER JUST TO DO.
UNDERST I MAKE A MOTION TO EVERYTHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT OVER THE LAST EIGHT WEEKS.
ARE WE BEING RECORDED TONIGHT? UM, I HAVE ASKED ANGEL FOR CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
WE DO HAVE OUR AUDIO ALWAYS, BUT I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO MATT, UM, SO THESE UPDATES THAT WE'VE DONE ON, ON THE, THE FACILITIES ARE Y'ALL, ARE YOU GONNA GIVE US A NEW UPDATED CHART AS WE DO, AS WE GO THROUGH EACH SESSION? ARE WE GONNA WAIT UNTIL ALL THE, UH, AN UPDATE CHART WHEN WE'RE FINALLY FINISHED? YEAH.
SO, UM, WHAT I'M DOING IS YOU CAN SEE THAT I'VE DATED THIS FOR TODAY, UHHUH
SO AFTER THIS MEETING, I WILL SAVE THIS.
I WILL SAVE A NEW VIAL THAT'S DATED FOR THE NEXT MEETING, UHHUH
AND SO YOU WON'T SEE THESE ARROWS IN THESE RED TEXTS ANYMORE.
IT'LL JUST BE THE NORMAL TEXT AS IF THIS WAS THE CIP.
SO THAT AT THE END WHEN I COME BACK TO YOU ON THE FINAL MEETING AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, NOW LET'S FIGURE OUT THE INS RATES AND THE M AND O RATES.
UH, YOU'LL SEE ALL THE CHANGES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE MADE UP TO THAT POINT.
AND YOU'LL SEE WHAT THE TAX RATE IS GONNA BE AND WHAT THE WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES ARE GONNA BE.
AND THEN YOU CAN START SHIFTING THINGS AROUND.
SO I'LL HAVE ONE MORE SPREADSHEET AFTER THAT BASED ON THOSE FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO ARE WE READY TO MOVE TO WASTEWATER? YEP.
I, UH, IF YOU GUYS DON'T MIND, I AM GOING TO STEP AWAY FOR ABOUT FIVE MINUTES, BUT I WANTED TO ASK, DO WE NEED A RECESS, UH, FIVE MINUTE RECESS TYPE THING FOR BIOLOGICALS? SURE.
HOW COME? WELL THEN, UH, IT IS SEVEN 13.
WE WILL RECONVENE AT SEVEN 18.
WHY DON'T YOU MAKE IT 7 27 FINE.
WELL, I, I MEAN, I REALLY DID GIVE YOU GUYS SOFTBALLS ON THE FIRST NIGHT.
WE CAN'T, AND WASTEWATER, I MEAN, YOU WASTEWATER YOUT CAN'T, WE CAN'T MESS WITH IT.
YOU CAN'T REALLY JUST GO CRAZY AND SAY WE WANNA DO ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
YOU KIND OF HAVE TO BUILD THEM IN A CERTAIN ORDER.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, CHART, I HATE IF YOU SAID, HEY, WE WANNA GO UP HERE AND DO, UH, WASTEWATER 56.
WELL, YOU'D HAVE TO BE DO 55, 54, 53, 52, 51, 48 MM-HMM
SO YOU CAN'T JUST SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANNA DO THOSE.
SO IT, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT THAT YOU CAN REALLY PLAY WITH ON HERE.
UH, SO I'LL JUST BOUNCE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE MAPS AND THE TABLES AND THE SPREADSHEET.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST FOUR HERE ARE ALREADY IN CONSTRUCTION.
SO REALLY THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE'RE GONNA CHANGE ON THOSE.
UH, THE NEXT ONE IS MEGASITE WASTEWATER PHASE TWO, WHICH IS PROJECT 45.
SO I'LL BOUNCE OVER HERE SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT ONE IS.
SO YOU HAVE AN IDEA, KIND OF THIS GAP BETWEEN THE GLENWOOD LINE HERE AND MEGASITE PHASE ONE, WHICH IS UP HERE.
UM, SO THAT ONE HASN'T BEEN DESIGNED, IT HASN'T BEEN, UH, AUTHORIZED OR APPROVED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT YET.
UM, I'VE GOT A PROBABLY SILLY QUESTION OKAY.
IS IT GOING UNDER THE RIVER BED, THE CREEK BED? OR IS IT GOING OVER THE CREEK BED? UH, IT'LL, IT WOULD GO UNDER.
JUST WASN'T SURE IF WE'D HAVE, YOU KNOW, PIPES RUNNING ACROSS
UH, JUST BECAUSE IT CREATES MAINTENANCE ISSUES, IT CREATES, UH, SAFETY CONCERNS.
VULNERABILITIES IN YOUR SYSTEM, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
IS THERE A PLAN? I KNOW THIS IS SWITCHING GEARS, BUT I'M JUST, THEY, THEY MAKE SENSE AFTER YOU LISTEN TO ME.
COUNTY ROAD 1 32 RIGHT NOW MM-HMM
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IS BELOW IT, LIKE THE THICK LINE, LIKE IT YES.SO THAT ROAD, I'M JUST GONNA STAND UP TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE.
SO IT GOES LIKE THIS AND THEN IT GOES UP.
SO THIS RIGHT HERE IS NOT A ROAD RIGHT DOWN HERE.
SO IS THERE A PLAN IN THE FUTURE TO MAKE 1 32 GO DOWN HERE? YES.
AND, AND IF THERE IS, DO YOU HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT IN YOUR PLAN FOR THIS? WELL, SO I'M, I MARKED IT THIS WAY BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WAS IN THE MASTER PLAN.
IN REALITY, THE LINE DOESN'T DO THIS ANYMORE.
WE PULLED IT DOWN ALONG THE CREEK HERE.
ONE IS, UM, SOME OF THE LANDOWNERS IN THIS AREA, UH, WERE NOT EXACTLY HAPPY ABOUT US PUTTING IT A WASTEWATER LINE AND MANHOLES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF IN THEIR FIELDS.
AND SO BY US CHANGING IT AND PUTTING IT ALONG THE CREEK, WE WERE BASICALLY PUTTING IT IN LAND THAT THEY REALLY COULDN'T USE ANYWAY.
AND SO, UH, BUT THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT WASTEWATER TENDS TO FLOW DOWNHILL, UM, IF YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT AND
UM, SO PUTTING IT ALONG CREEKS TENDS TO MAKE SENSE BECAUSE YOU'RE BASICALLY MAKING THE WASTEWATER FLOW THE SAME DIRECTION AS THE CREEK.
SO BACK TO, SO THAT'S WHAT 45 IS.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THE BLUE ONES.
AND REMEMBER BLUE MEANS IT'S IN DESIGN AND IN CONSTRUCTION.
SO THIS ONE IS BEING DONE BY TWO DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS.
SO THIS PART IS ALREADY BEING, HAS ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED.
LIKE THE FIRST HALF OF IT, WE'LL SAY THE SECOND HALF IS A DIFFERENT DEVELOPER AND THEY'RE GOING THROUGH, THEY'RE FINALIZING THEIR DESIGN RIGHT NOW SO THAT THEY CAN START CONSTRUCTION.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT ONE IS BLUE, BECAUSE PART OF IT'S ALREADY BASICALLY BUILT AND PART OF IT IS IN DESIGN.
BUT THE GOOD SIDE ON THAT ONE IS, IS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PUSH A LOT OF THE MASTER PLAN COSTS, A LOT OF THE DESIGN CONSTRUCTION COSTS OFF ONTO DEVELOPERS SO THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO BEAR THAT WE DON'T GET OFF SCOT FREE.
'CAUSE THERE'S A LIMIT TO HOW MUCH WE CAN FORCE THEM.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT WE'VE ALLOCATED FUNDS FOR IT HISTORICALLY.
UM, BUT IT'S STILL A REDUCTION IN WHAT WE WOULD'VE HAD TO PAY OVERALL.
THE THE NEXT ONE IS A PURPLE ONE, WHICH MEANS IT'S ALREADY IN CONSTRUCTION.
CAN, CAN WE, UH, HIT OH OH SEVEN REAL QUICK? UH, JUST WANTED TO KNOW.
BOTH OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED, HAVE APPROVED FINAL PLATS, AND THEY'RE NOT BEING HELD UP IN THE P AND Z PROCESS AT ALL.
LIKE, UH, SOMETHING WE LOOKED AT LAST WEEK WHERE IT'S COME TO US SEVERAL TIMES.
AND SO ONE OF THEM, 'CAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY CONSTRUCTED, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO ASHLEY.
SO THE, THE TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE BUILDING THIS WASTEWATER LINE IS THE GOLA PROJECT AND THE HERITAGE MILL.
I KNOW THEY HAVE SOME FINAL PLATS ALREADY APPROVED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALREADY BUILDING OUT THERE.
UH, AND HERITAGE MILL, AND I DON'T KNOW THE STATUS ON HERITAGE MILL.
THEY HAD A FEW MINOR THINGS THAT STILL HAD TO BE TAKEN CARE OF, BUT, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE STILL, I WANNA SAY THEY, THEY HAVE THEIR PRELIMS. I THINK THEY HAD SOME CONSTRUCTION, BUT SOME HERITAGE IS ACTUALLY, WE'RE NOT REVIEWING ALL OF IT.
DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION? IT CERTAINLY DOES.
I HAVE ONE THE $11 MILLION THERE.
IS IS THAT THE CITY'S PART? THERE WE GO.
OR IS THAT THE NO, THAT WAS, THAT'S, THAT WAS TOTAL ESTIMATED COST FOR THE PROJECT.
SO I BELIEVE THEY'RE PAYING THAT 11 MILLION.
THEY'RE PAYING LESS 'CAUSE THE DEVELOPERS ARE PAYING MM-HMM
DO WE HAVE A FIGURE THERE THAT, THAT WE, UM, LET ME, SHOULD OR SHOULD THAT FIGURE CHANGE TO WHAT THE CITY'S ACTUALLY PAYING? SO THE CITY ACTUALLY IS PAYING ABOUT HALF.
BUT SHOULD THAT FIGURE CHANGE TO THAT, TO THE HALF OF THAT? UM, SO THE REASON I HAVEN'T CHANGED IT IS BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO TRACK WHAT THE MASTER PLAN SAYS WE SHOULD PAY VERSUS WHAT WE ACTUALLY PAY.
SO THAT WHEN WE REPORT BACK AND SAY, LOOK, THIS IS THE MASTER PLAN, AND THEN IT SAYS THAT IT'S $1.1 BILLION, WE CAN SAY, YEAH, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH DEVELOPERS AND SO
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IT ONLY COST US $600 MILLION OR, OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS.AND SO THAT'S WHY I'VE CHANGED IT IN THE FISCAL YEAR THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING IT.
BUT I HAVEN'T CHANGED THE OVERALL PROJECT ESTIMATE SO THAT WE HAVE THAT TRACKING MECHANISM.
NOT TO SAY THAT I'M DOING IT RIGHT, I'M JUST DOING IT THE WAY
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU NEEDED TO CHANGE IT TO MAKE YOUR, MAKE YOUR FINGERS COME OUT.
BUT AFTER WHAT YOU JUST EXPLAINED.
SO CAN I ASK YOUR QUESTION MADE ME THINK OF A DIFFERENT QUESTION GOING BACK TO 45.
SO RIGHT NOW THAT ONE'S COMPLETELY WHITE.
THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE LIKE WE'RE FOOTING THAT, RIGHT? THERE'S NO DEVELOPER.
YEAH, THERE'S NO, RIGHT NOW, NOW THERE'S NO DEVELOPER ANTICIPATED TO PAY FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION, BUT THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE MEGA SITE, RIGHT? BASED OFF OF THE TITLE? UH, NO.
ULTIMATELY IT WILL BE NEEDED FOR THE MEGASITE.
SO THIS PURPLE LINE ENDS IN A MANHOLE RIGHT HERE.
THAT MANHOLE FEEDS INTO, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT SIZES HERE.
SO THAT MANHOLE FLOWS INTO THIS 12 AND 15 INCH LINE.
WHAT THE MASTER PLA IS SAYING IS WE NEED TO REPLACE THAT 12 AND 15 WITH TWO EIGHTEENS TO ACCOMMODATE THE MEGASITE TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THE STUFF THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING.
SO COULD WE, WHERE MY QUESTION IS GOING WITH THIS IS COULD WE HAVE SOME DEVELOPER OFFSET THE COST OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S ONLY NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE THE MEGASITE? IT'S NOT NEEDED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AROUND IT.
UH, THE REASON WHY I DIDN'T MARK THIS ONE PINK, AND I MARKED A LOT OF THE OTHER ONES, PINK, IS BECAUSE LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THIS ONE IN THE MEGA SITE HERE MM-HMM
THIS GOES INTO PROPERTY THAT IS GONNA HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED BY SOMEBODY OTHER THAN THE CITY.
SO THAT ONE TO ME IS A NO-BRAINER.
THAT IS, THAT'S A LINE THAT THE DEVELOPER'S GONNA HAVE TO BUILD, WHICH MEANS WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT.
WHEREAS THIS ONE, UM, I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT THAT I KNOW IS GOING TO TRIGGER THAT.
AND SO I CAN'T JUST ARBITRARILY SAY I'M GONNA FORCE SOME DEVELOPER TO PAY FOR THAT.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, AS IT STANDS WITH THE INFORMATION I HAVE TODAY, THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS TO GO BUILD.
SO COULD WE TO YOUR WE PRIORITIZE IT THOUGH, UNTIL WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A DEVELOPER THAT WOULD NEED IT.
WELL, YEAH, AND THAT'S WHY RIGHT NOW IT'S PRIORITIZED TO GO OUT INTO FY 28, BUT IN, IN THAT AREA ALREADY MOSTLY DEVELOPED.
THIS IS THE COTTONWOOD DEVELOPMENT OVER HERE.
OR COTTON BROOK, I THINK IS WHAT THEY CALL IT.
I'M, I'M, I'VE GOT MY DIRECTIONS.
SO I'M, I'M NOT SURE OF THE LEGALITY OF THAT, BUT KIND OF TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE MEGA SITE IS UNDER TS THREE AND I BELIEVE IT HAS A, I BELIEVE IT'S ALSO UNDER A PIT AGREEMENT.
SO THOSE ARE BOTH FUNDING MECHANISMS THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE USED FOR THIS.
THE CITY'S NOT COUGHING UP MONEY.
THE DEVELOPER IS, BUT IT'S NOT.
JUST A DIFFERENT WAY TO FUND IT.
IT'S NOT THIS, THIS SPECIFIC DEVELOPER.
AND, AND THE OTHER THING IS, IS EVERY TIME A DEVELOPMENT COMES INTO THE CITY, WE MAKE THEM RUN A SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST.
AND SO THEY HAVE TO TELL US BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD, WHEN THEY'RE GONNA BUILD ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
WE PLUG THAT INFORMATION INTO OUR WASTEWATER MODEL MM-HMM
AND IT MODELS EVERYTHING FROM THEIR SITE ALL THE WAY THROUGH OUR SYSTEM DOWN TO THE PLANT
AND SO THE REASON WHY I SAY IT'S POTENTIAL THAT WE COULD HAVE DEVELOPER PAY FOR PART OF THIS IS BECAUSE LET'S JUST SAY THAT WE HAD SOME MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT COME INTO THE MEGA SITE TOMORROW AND SAY WE WANNA BUILD, WE WANNA BUILD DISNEYLAND IN HU RIGHT THERE IN THE MEGA SITE.
SO WE WOULD RUN THOSE NUMBERS AND THEN WE'D SAY, HEY, YOU'RE EXCEEDING THE CAPACITY OF THIS 12 INCH LINE RIGHT HERE.
SO WE NEED YOU TO GO UPSIZE THAT LINE BECAUSE IT WORKED WITHOUT YOU, IT DOESN'T WORK WITH YOU.
IT WORKED WITHOUT YOU, IT WON'T WORK FOR YOU.
SO, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA SEE IF POSSIBLE.
SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE DO WITH EVERY SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST.
BUT THAT'S ALSO WHY I CAN'T MARK THIS ONE AS PINK.
'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT THAT'S TRIGGERING THAT RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE I MEAN, OTHERWISE WE COULD MARK 'EM ALL AS PINK
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AND SAY, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING.UH, SO BLUE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE SOUTHEAST LOOP IS IN CONSTRUCTION, SO THAT'S PURPLE.
YOU CAN SEE THE BRUSHY CREEK FOUR AVERY LAKE ARE BOTH YELLOW.
THEN YOU HAVE IRONWOOD WASTEWATER LINE, WHICH IS ANOTHER, THAT ONE I'M ATTRIBUTING COMPLETELY TO IRONWOOD KIND OF MAKES SENSE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE NEXT THREE THAT ARE IN DESIGN WITH THE CENTRAL, UH, KIRK AND MEADOWBROOK.
KIRK AND MEADOWBROOK OBVIOUSLY ARE DEVELOPER ISSUES, BUT THEY'RE IN DESIGN, SO I'M MARKING 'EM YELLOW.
THEN THE, THE NEXT TWO WHITE ONES ARE THE BROOKLYNS AND FARLEY LIFT STATIONS.
SO LET ME JUMP BACK OVER HERE AND YOU CAN SEE WHY I'VE GOT THOSE AS WHITE IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO FINISH THIS LINE.
THIS IS THE BRUSHY CREEK FOUR, THIS YELLOW LINE HERE.
AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD THIS RELIEF AND TAKE THIS LIFT STATION OFFLINE.
SO THAT'S WHY I HAVEN'T MARKED THIS ONE.
IN, UH, ANYTIME SOON BECAUSE WE HAVE TO FINISH ALL THAT OTHER STUFF FIRST.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THIS IS KIND OF ANOTHER SUPER SOFTBALL 'CAUSE RIGHT.
WE CAN'T GO AHEAD AND SAY DO THAT ONE.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING DOWNSTREAM TO TAKE THOSE FLOWS RIGHT NOW.
AND I WAS GONNA ASK, IS 2030 BALLPARK FOR WHEN WE WOULD, UH, BE ABLE TO PULL THOSE TWO LIFT STATIONS OR NO? UH, SO OR IS IT JUST 2030 AS OUR PLACEHOLDER FOR SOME TIME IN THE FAR FUTURE?
UM, AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF RHYME OR REASON TO IT, EXCEPT THAT WHEN YOU START GETTING DOWN HERE INTO SOME OF THESE ONES THAT I HAVE PROJECTED THAT ARE WHITE MM-HMM
EARLIER, THOSE ARE SOME PRETTY BIG NUMBERS.
AND SO, AND THOSE ARE IN MY MIND, HIGHER PRIORITY PROJECTS.
AND SO THESE LITTLE ONES THAT WE COULD PROBABLY DELAY A LITTLE BIT LONGER, I DELAYED THEM RATHER THAN JUST ADDING EXTRA YEP.
SO THEN YOU HAVE AVERY LAKE TWO, WHICH IS ANOTHER YELLOW ONE.
THEN YOU HAVE THE SOUTH FORK, UH, INTERCEPTOR.
SO THAT'S PARTIALLY IN DESIGN, PARTIALLY IN CONSTRUCTION.
UM, THEN YOU HAVE THE, UH, SH ONE 30 LINES, WHICH ARE COMPLETELY DEVELOPER.
THEN WE GET TO COTTONWOOD CREEK PHASE ONE.
UM, AND HERE'S MY RATIONALE, JUST SO YOU GUYS ARE IN THE LOOP.
UM, THE REASON WHY I'M NOT PRIORITIZING THIS ONE HIGHER IS BECAUSE THIS PART OF HUDA IS PRETTY WELL DEVELOPED.
AND UNTIL WE START DOING SOME OTHER THINGS, LIKE TAKING THIS LIFT STATION OFFLINE, TAKING THIS LIFT STATION OFFLINE, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO GO DO THAT.
ADDITIONALLY, EVEN IF WE DID, SAID, HEY, WE WANNA GET THIS LIFT STATIONS OFFLINE RIGHT NOW, LET'S GO BUILD THIS LINE SO WE CAN DO THAT.
THE PROBLEM IS YOU HAVE NOWHERE TO GO DOWNSTREAM BECAUSE YOUR CENTRAL PLANT IS AT CAPACITY.
SO UNTIL WE GET THAT EXPANDED ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE FLOWS AND TAKE THESE OFFLINE, I'M SAYING, LET'S PUT A PIN IN THIS ONE AND WAIT UNTIL IT MAKES SENSE.
ARE WE TAKING THOSE OFFLINE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE CAPACITY? WHY ARE WE TAKING THOSE OFFLINE IN THE FIRST PLACE? UM, SO FOR TWO REASONS.
THE ONE REASON IS, UH, THE CITY WAS SPLIT INTO DIFFERENT DRAINAGE BASINS, BUT BECAUSE THE CENTRAL PLANT DOESN'T HAVE CAPACITY, WE'VE ADDED PUMP STATIONS, LIFT STATIONS THAT WE KEEP EXPANDING AND EXPANDING AND EXPANDING TO TRY TO AVOID DEALING WITH THE CENTRAL PLANT.
UH, THE OTHER REASON THAT YOU WOULD WANNA TAKE THOSE OFFLINE, OTHER THAN PUTTING YOUR BASINS BACK THE WAY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF MAINTENANCE AND OVERHEAD EXPENSES WITH TRYING TO MAINTAIN LIFT STATIONS.
UM, AND TYPICALLY ANYTIME YOU CAN GET RID OF ONE, MOST CITIES TRY TO GET RID OF THEM.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT THERE, THE EMORY CROSSING LIFT STATION MM-HMM
I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT, SO HERE, LET ME ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT.
SO YOU HAVE THE MUSTANG CRE LIFT STATION, WHICH PUMPS TO THE EMORY CROSSING LIFT STATION, WHICH PUMPS DOWN HERE TO THE ENCLAVE LIFT STATION.
SO WE HAVE EXPANDED THE ENCLAVE AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
SO THE ONLY WAY WE COULD EXPAND THE ENCLAVE MORE IS TO REBUILD IT COMPLETELY REBUILD, REDO ALL THE ELECTRICAL, REBUILD THE WET
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WELLS, REBUILD THE PUMPS, REDO EVERYTHING, WHICH IS A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS.SO IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO SPEND A COUPLE OF MILLION DOLLARS TO GET US A COUPLE MORE YEARS WHEN WE CAN DO BRUSHY CREEK PHASE FOUR AND JUST GET RID OF THE LIFT STATION ALTOGETHER.
UM, EVEN THOUGH BRUSHY CREEK FOUR IS A VERY EXPENSIVE LINE, IT ELIMINATES A PINCH, MASSIVE PINCH POINT IN THE CITY AND ALLOWS ALL OF THIS STUFF, WHICH THESE ARE THE TWO AVERY LAKE LINES OVER HERE, ALL OF THIS, IT OPENS ALL OF THIS UP FOR DEVELOPMENT.
SO GOING BACK TO MY POINT ABOUT THE EMORY, EMORY IS QUICKLY APPROACHING THE SAME SITUATION AS IS MUSTANG CREEK.
THAT ENCLAVE IS IN WHERE WE KEEP EXPANDING THEM AND EXPANDING THEM AND EXPANDING THEM.
AND VERY SOON WE WILL GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN'T EXPAND THEM ANYMORE WITHOUT REBUILDING EVERYTHING.
SO NOT ONLY ARE YOU INCURRING MAINTENANCE COSTS, BUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE INCURRING RECONSTRUCTION COSTS AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE IF YOU DON'T START TAKING STEPS TO GET THOSE OFFLINE COMPLETELY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF CROSSING LINES, I THINK, BUT LOOKING AT THE ONE THAT WE'RE GONNA STICK A PIN IN THE CO ALONG COTTONWOOD CREEK THERE.
UM, THAT'S GOING TO GO OVER THAT NEWLY CONSTRUCTED REBUILT BRIDGE, OR THAT'S GONNA GO UNDER IT.
IS THAT GONNA HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE BRIDGE IF WE EXPAND THAT LINE? WHICH BRIDGE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? UH, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST SPENT ALL THAT TIME, ALL THAT MONEY ON MM-HMM
ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO, ARE REBUILD THE BRIDGE TO ACCOMMODATE THESE LINES? NO, THIS, THIS WILL, THIS WILL GO UNDERGROUND AND PARALLEL TO THE EXISTING COTTONWOOD WASTEWATER LINE THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
SO WE WOULD JUST BORE UNDER THE ROAD TO INSTALL THIS.
THE, THEN YOU HAVE THE 1 32 79 INTERCEPTOR, WHICH IS, UM, OH, I THINK I GOT 'EM MIXED UP HERE.
SO THIS ONE IS A LITTLE CONFUSING.
SO ON, ON MY SPREADSHEET, I HAD A MARKED BLUE.
THESE LINES, THESE ARE IN CONSTRUCTION TODAY.
UH, THIS YELLOW LINE HERE IS BEING DESIGNED BY THE DEVELOPER AND WILL BE CONSTRUCTED BY THE DEVELOPER.
SO THAT'S WHY ON THE SPREADSHEET IT WAS BLUE.
AND HERE YOU SEE THAT I'VE DELINEATED BETWEEN THE TWO AS CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN.
THEN THAT GETS ME TO THE ONE THAT, THAT I HAVE SUGGESTED THAT WE PULL UP, WHICH IS, UH, CENTRAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT PHASE TWO EXPANSION.
WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING, WE STARTED DESIGNING JANUARY ON THE PHASE ONE EXPANSION.
ALL OF OUR MODELS, ALL OF OUR ANALYSIS INDICATES THAT WHEN WE FINISH WITH PHASE ONE, IT'LL BE TIME TO START PHASE TWO.
SO, AND SO THAT'S WHY I'VE PULLED THAT ONE UP TO START.
BASICALLY AS SOON AS WE FINISH PHASE ONE.
WHICH ONE IS THIS AGAIN? THE CENTRAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT PHASE TWO EXPANSION.
CAN YOU SHOW US ON THE MAP THAT AGAIN PLEASE? WW 28.
THIS IS THE CENTRAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR, YOUR TABLE, YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU HAVE TP ZERO FIVE, WHICH IS THE CENTRAL PHASE ONE EXPANSION, AND THEN YOU HAVE TP ZERO EIGHT, WHICH IS THE CENTRAL PHASE TWO EXPANSION.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THE PHASE ONE EXPANSION IS OUR ALMOST COMPLETE? NO, I'M SAYING IT'S IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW.
BUT OUR ANALYSIS IS INDICATING THAT BY THE TIME WE ACTUALLY GET IT BUILT, IT'LL BE TIME TO START DESIGNING PHASE TWO.
WELL, THEN WE PROBABLY SHOULD MOVE IT UP.
BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT WW 27 AND WW 20 SOMETHING.
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TWO ITEMS, YOU CAN FLIP BACK TO THE MAP IF YOU WANT TO.SO THEY'RE BOTH IN THE SAME GENERAL AREA MM-HMM
SO WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC, WE'RE STILL PLANNING ON HAVING THOSE SIGNALS DONE AT 1 99 AND 1660 UHHUH.
SO I KNOW THAT THIS IS LIKE A SHOT IN THE DARK, LIKE THIS IS LIKE WISHFUL THINKING.
BUT IF WE COULD POSSIBLY GET THESE ITEMS BEING DONE AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE MESSING WITH THE TRAFFIC OVER HERE, THEN THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THIS AREA WON'T HAVE TO BE AFFECTED SO LONG BY THINGS THAT THE CITY IS DOING TO IMPROVE THE STREETS AND IMPROVE THE WASTEWATER.
I'M JUST, THAT'S MY PLUG TO TRY TO DO IT ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
AND I, I KNOW IT PROBABLY WON'T WORK, BUT I HAD TO THROW IT OUT THERE.
SO, UM, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO STREETS YET.
BUT, UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT AT THE LAST CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD WITH CITY COUNCIL, UH, THE CR 1 99 CONSTRUCTION, THAT'S NOT THE ONE I'M EVEN TALKING ABOUT.
WAS ANTICIPATED TO BE IN CONSTRUCTION IN 28.
WHEREAS THE PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WW 27 MM-HMM
WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT ALLOCATED IN FY 25 BECAUSE ITS DEVELOPER IS BUILDING IT AND WE'RE JUST REIMBURSING THEM.
AND THEN WW 28, I'M SAYING START THE DESIGN IN 28 BECAUSE MM-HMM
WE WILL BE IN CONSTRUCTION IN 27 AND BY THE TIME WE GET INTO CONSTRUCTION IN 27, WE'LL BE READY TO START DESIGN AGAIN IN 28.
I MEAN, WE COULD TRY TO SHIFT IT FORWARD ANOTHER YEAR SO THAT IT WOULD LINE UP BETTER.
BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT YOU'RE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE CENTRAL TREATMENT PLANT.
IT'S GONNA BE THIS PROJECT 26, 33, 34 ON THE MAP, BECAUSE IT'S THIS PART OF 26.
'CAUSE THIS, THIS WHOLE THING IS PROJECT 26 FROM, FROM HERE ALL THE WAY TO HERE.
BUT THEY, SO THE DEVELOPER IS BUILDING ALL OF THIS RIGHT NOW.
YOU CAN DRIVE OUT THERE AND SEE IT AND THEY'RE WORKING WITH U RRS THIRD PARTY INSPECTION TEAM TO FINALIZE THIS SO THAT THEY CAN START CONSTRUCTION ON THIS LIKE RIGHT NOW.
BUT THAT WILL ALSO GO UNDER 79.
IT'LL GO OVER, UH, GO UNDER 1 99, ET CETERA.
IT'LL GO UNDER 79 UNDER THE RAILROAD.
SO TRAFFIC CAN'T GO WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING IT IS THE POINT I'M MAKING.
IF THEY'RE GONNA GO UNDER 79 MM-HMM
YOU'RE GONNA BLOCK 79 OFF, YOU'RE GONNA BLOCK NINE.
GOING UNDER, WE'RE GOING, WE'RE, WE'RE BORING UNDER YEAH.
WE'RE BORING UNDER EVERYTHING.
ALL THE PLACES THAT WE'RE CUTTING WILL BE, UH, ALONG THE TRAIL THAT'S OVER HERE BY TREE.
SO YOU'RE TELLING WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO BORE BECAUSE WE'RE COSTING TEXTILE WON'T LET US OPEN, CUT THEIR ROAD AND THE RAILROAD WON'T LET US OPEN.
BUT AS Y'ALL ARE DOING THIS, LIKE YOU'RE ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY THERE'S SOMEBODY UNDER THERE BORING, WHATEVER MM-HMM
YOU'RE TELLING ME TRAFFIC CONTINUES TO FLOW LIKE NORMAL.
YOU'RE NONE THE WISER THAT IT'S EVEN HAPPENING.
YOU'LL NEVER KNOW IT'S UNDER THERE.
I MEAN, YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL SEE LIKE CONSTRUCTION FENCING AROUND THE BOAR PITS AND YOU, YOU'LL SEE SIGNS THAT SAYS ROAD WORK AHEAD OR WHATEVER.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO DO THAT MM-HMM
BUT YOU WON'T KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE ACTUALLY THAT THERE'S A BORE MACHINE UNDERNEATH YOU.
THAT'S THE PART THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE BEING ABLE TO USE THE ROAD TO GET OUT BECAUSE WE'RE VERY LOCKED IN TO, DID YOU SEE HOW THEY PUT IN THE FIBER OPTICS IN THE SUBDIVISIONS? NO, BECAUSE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN WHERE I LIVE.
MY HOUSE WAS BUILT WITH IT ALREADY USE MACHINE TO DO THAT.
NO, THE, THEY'VE BEEN TOLD, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T CUT THE RAILROAD
YOU MIGHT FROWN UPON THAT
AND TEXTILE WON'T LET US CUT THEIR ROADS.
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HAS ALSO TAKEN THE SAME STANCE THAT YOU'RE NOT OPEN CUTTING OUR STREETS.YOU'RE GOING TO YEAH, IT MAKES SENSE.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW IT IS ACTUALLY DONE, SO, OKAY.
SO, SO THAT'S, UH, SO THAT'S 4,000,028 AND 38 AND 29.
AND YOU WANNA KEEP THAT, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PULLING THAT IN AT ALL.
WELL, TO UP HER, HER POINT WAS TRYING TO ALIGN THE TIMELINES OF THE NO, I UNDERSTAND WHAT 1 99 CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
YOU STARTED THIS SAYING THAT SINCE WHEN YOU FINISH PHASE ONE EXPANSION MM-HMM
WHEN PHASE TWO IS NEEDED TO START DESIGN.
SO DOES THAT PULL ANYTHING IN BECAUSE OF THE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO TYPE? I MEAN, SO, SO HERE'S WHAT, HERE'S PHASE ONE RIGHT HERE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE STARTING CONSTRUCTION IN 27.
WRAPPING IT UP IN, WHY DID IT DO THAT? AH-HA.
UH, STARTING CONSTRUCTION IN 27, WRAPPING UP CONSTRUCTION IN 28.
20 STARTING IN 28 AND GOING ON INTO 29.
AND THEN YOU HAVE, SO HERE'S ONE THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE PULLED FORWARD.
I PULLED IT FORWARD AND I CAN EXPLAIN WHY HERE IN A MINUTE.
IT'S THIS PROJECT RIGHT HERE, NUMBER 48.
AND THAT'S MEGASITE AGAIN, IT, RIGHT? SO IT'S CALLED THE SOUTHEAST LOOP PHASE TWO, I BELIEVE IS WHAT IT WAS TECHNICALLY CALLED.
BUT THAT'S FOR THE MEGASITE, ISN'T IT? WELL, KIND OF, IT, THERE'S A LOT WILL SERVE THE MEGASITE, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY IS IT GETS US CLOSER TO 79.
SO THAT'S MY RATIONALE IS 'CAUSE WE ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE INTEREST FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE WANTING TO DEVELOP ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE HUDDLE'S.
I THINK TWO MEETINGS AGO FOR COUNCIL, WE HAD A PRESENTER, UM, RIGHT OFF OF WHERE LIMMER KIND OF DEAD ENDS INTO 79.
SO IF YOU WANNA GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT ONE, I SAW IT.
SO THAT'S MY WHOLE THING WITH ALL OF THESE THINGS.
LIKE, I'M NOT, MY, MY STANCE IS THAT THEY NEED TO PAY FOR IT THEMSELF.
SO WELL, AREN'T THEY, DIDN'T THEY SAY EITHER THEY'RE GOING TO, THE CITY'S GONNA DO IT OR THEY'LL DO IT ON THEIR OWN AND WON'T BE ANNEXED IN? WELL, SO I BELIEVE WHAT THEY SAID, CITY COUNCIL ASKED WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T AGREE TO YOUR PROJECT? AND THEY SAID, WE'RE GONNA BUILD ANYWAY.
AND THEY'LL DO A, WHAT IS IT CALLED? PACKAGE PLANT.
AND SO THE OTHER THING IS, YES, YOU CAN GO TO THE DEVELOPERS AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT YOU TO HELP PAY FOR YOUR SHARE OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE.
BUT JUST LIKE THAT ONE THAT YOU SAW THAT WE WERE PAYING 50%, IT'S BECAUSE LEGALLY WE ARE RESTRICTED ON HOW MUCH WE CAN CHARGE THEM.
SO IF IF THEY'RE ONLY USING 50% OF THE LINE, WE CAN ONLY CHARGE THEM FOR 50% OF THE LINE.
SO THEN WE HAVE TO PAY 50% OF THE COSTS.
SO THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE NEED TO SERVICE THE PEOPLE AND THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN HURO TODAY FOR THAT.
LIKE, WE'RE GOOD AS WE ARE TODAY.
THE ONLY POINT IN DOING THIS WOULD BE TO SERVICE FUTURE POTENTIAL BUSINESS.
SO YES, EVERYBODY WHO'S SITTING ON THE GROUND TODAY HAS SERVICE.
SO ALL OF THIS IS JUST TO SUPPORT FUTURE POTENTIAL GROWTH, KIND OF.
SO THE CENTRAL PLANT, SO HERE'S, HERE'S THE THING.
WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH TREATMENT PLANTS MM-HMM
WE HAVE TCEQ REGULATIONS THAT SAY IF YOU OPERATE A PUBLIC WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, WHICH WE HAVE TWO OF, WHEN YOU'RE AT 70% OF CAPACITY, YOU WILL BE IN DESIGN FOR YOUR EXPANSION.
WHEN YOU'RE AT 90% CAPACITY, YOU WILL BE IN CONSTRUCTION FOR THE EXPANSION.
OTHERWISE YOU RUN THE RISK OF LOSING YOUR PERMIT OR GETTING SANCTIONS OR FINES OR ANY OTHER THINGS THAT THEY CAN DREAM UP.
SO THE CENTRAL PLANT, SO WE'RE EXPANDING THE SOUTH PLANT RIGHT NOW IS IN CONSTRUCTION.
YOU CAN GO OUT THERE AND SEE IT.
UH, THE CENTRAL PLANT IS THE ONE THAT I'M SAYING IS IN DESIGN TODAY.
IF WE PULLED THE NUMBERS TODAY, YOU WOULD SEE THAT WE ARE AT 70% OF THE TOTAL CAPACITY OF THAT PLANT.
SO WE'RE RIGHT WHERE WE SHOULD BE AS FAR AS DESIGNING IT.
UH, AND I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU HOW WE HAVE DAISY CHAIN LIFT STATIONS TOGETHER AROUND THE CITY, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE WOULD BE OVERWHELMING THAT PLANT.
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IN 20 17, 20 18, WHEN I WAS HERE LAST, I HAD A VERY SIMILAR CONVERSATION WITH CITY MANAGEMENT AND CITY COUNCIL AND PNZ ABOUT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE CENTRAL PLAN.AND NOBODY WANTED TO DO IT BECAUSE IT'S EXPENSIVE, RIGHTFULLY SO.
I UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC, BUT I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ENGINEERING SIDE OF THINGS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE HAD TO START CREATING THESE DAISY CHAINS OF LIST STATIONS TO PUMP AROUND THE ISSUE THAT NOBODY WANTED TO ADDRESS.
UM, THROUGH THE CONVERSATIONS LAST YEAR, WE WERE ABLE TO CONVINCE EVERYBODY THAT WE CAN'T KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ANYMORE.
SO THE CENTRAL PLANT IS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF OLD HU DRAINS THEIR WASTEWATER TOO.
BUT IT'S ALSO WHERE PARTS OF EXPANDED HURO, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST OLD TOWN, YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING THAT'S IN BLUE IS WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO DRAIN TO THE CENTRAL PLANT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF GROWTH HAPPENING THERE, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM
THIS LAND LOOKS BLANK ON THIS MAP, BUT WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A VERY LARGE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING HERE.
THERE'S ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT TRY TO HAPPEN HERE.
WE KNOW THAT THIS IS EDC OWNED LAND, SO WE KNOW, AND THERE'S STUFF THAT'S COMING IN HERE.
THERE'S STUFF THAT'S COMING IN HERE ALONG LIMBER LOOP THERE.
THERE'S PROJECTS COMING IN UP HERE.
SO THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS WITHIN THAT BLUE AREA THAT ARE PUSHING US TO THAT LIMIT.
AND SO TODAY WE'RE AT 70% WHEN WE RUN ALL OF THE MODELS BASED ON PROJECTS THAT ARE EITHER IN CONSTRUCTION OR HAVE ACTIVE SCRS WITH US, WE WILL BE AT CAPACITY.
WHEN IS THAT PROJECTED TO BE, UM, BALLPARK OR BALLPARK? UH, 2026.
THE END OF 26 AT FULL CAPACITY NEXT YEAR.
AND KEEP IN MIND, WE HAVEN'T DEVELOPED THE EDC LAND YET, RIGHT? ALL OF THAT DRAINS TO THE CENTRAL PLANT.
SO THAT'S WHY I SAY YES, EVERYBODY WHO'S ON THE GROUND TODAY HAS SERVICE, BUT WITH ALL OF THE EXTRA GROWTH THAT WE HAVE PERMITTED AND ALLOWED, WE HAVE TO EXPAND THAT PLANT IN ORDER TO CONTINUE PROVIDING THE SERVICE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING, PLUS SERVING EVERYBODY THAT WE'VE TOLD WE WILL SERVE.
I DON'T WANNA SAY SO MAYBE THERE IS A BUT THIS IS MY, THIS IS THE POINT THAT I THINK I'M TRYING TO MAKE.
MATT AND I, I HEAR EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID.
I FEEL LIKE WE, WE KIND OF GOT OURSELVES INTO THIS POSITION, RIGHT? AND SO NOW WE'RE ASKING THIS, THESE PEOPLE HERE TO JIM.
ARE YOU OKAY? YOU ALL RIGHT? YEAH.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I DON'T NEED THE ER.
YOU JUST DON'T LOOK, I DON'T FEEL GOOD, BUT I'M, YEAH.
IF YOU WANT TO BOUNCE, WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE AN AMBULANCE AT CITY HALL TONIGHT.
SO THIS IS MY, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET US TO SUPPORT.
WE'VE MADE OUR BED, NOW WE NEED TO LAY IN IT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO WE HAVE TO SUPPORT THAT PART.
BUT THE PART THAT I AM QUESTIONING, DO WE HELP ALSO HAVE TO DO THIS? IS LIKE THIS PART, I'M TOO SHORT TO REACH IT.
OKAY, WHAT, WHERE DO YOU WANT? RIGHT? RIGHT HERE, UP HERE.
GO UP MORE, MORE LIKE 53, 52, ALL OF THAT STUFF.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S ONLY IN THE PLAN, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
AND THEN THAT MIGHT BE A BAD EXAMPLE, BUT LIKE THAT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ONLY TO SUPPORT FUTURE GROWTH.
THAT'S NOT REQUIRED TO FIX OUR CURRENT SITUATION OF BEING AT A HUNDRED PERCENT CAPACITY.
SO THE POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THE STUFF THAT IS NOT REQUIRED COMPLETELY DEPRIORITIZE IT AND MAKE EVERYTHING ELSE IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO.
SO LET ME JUST, LET ME JUST EXPLAIN A LITTLE MORE ABOUT WHY I'M SAYING 48 AND 48 IS JUST FROM HERE TO HERE.
IT'S NOT ALL OF THIS OTHER STUFF.
THE THINKING IS, UM, AND, AND HUDA HAS EXPERIENCED THIS ON MULTIPLE PROJECTS.
IN FACT, THE ONE THAT THAT ASHLEY TALKED ABOUT IS A, A GOOD EXAMPLE.
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THE FLORA PROJECT IS ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE.UM, OUR REGULATIONS ONLY THEY REQUIRE UTIL YOU AS A DEVELOPER TO PULL UTILITIES TO AND THROUGH YOUR PROPERTY.
HOWEVER, THEY ONLY REQUIRE THAT IF YOU ARE WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF EXISTING UTILITIES.
OKAY? SO IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF THAT DISTANCE, WE DON'T HAVE, I CAN'T REQUIRE YOU TO EXTEND UTILITIES TO YOUR SITE.
UM, AND SO THE REASON WHY I WAS SUGGESTING THAT WE MOVE 48 UP THAT FAR WAS BECAUSE IT GETS US CLOSER TO THAT POINT.
AND SO HERE'S, HERE'S 48 RIGHT HERE.
I'VE MOVED IT UP INTO 2028 BECAUSE IT GETS US THAT MUCH CLOSER TO 79.
SO THEN WHEN ALL OF THIS LAND STARTS REALLY BLOWING AND GOING, DON'T HAVE TO CONNECT, THEY ARE CLOSER TO US TO WHERE WE CAN SAY, HEY, YOU'RE WITHIN THE LIMIT.
NOW YOU HAVE TO PULL THIS STUFF TO YOU.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, IF, SO, THERE'S A PROJECT OUT HERE.
IF THEY WERE TO DEVELOP, I DON'T HAVE ANY INFRASTRUCTURE ANYWHERE CLOSE THAT I CAN SAY YOU HAVE TO PULL ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE TO YOUR SITE.
IT'S, IT'S ILLEGAL FOR ME TO ASK THEM FOR THAT.
SO WHAT DO THEY DO? OTHERWISE? THEY WOULD HAVE TO.
WELL, SO I CAN TELL YOU WHAT FLORA DID, BECAUSE FLORA WAS IN THAT BOAT.
'CAUSE FLORA IS UP HERE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
RIGHT IN THERE BECAUSE THERE'S 1 33.
SO THEY'RE ALL UP HERE AND THEY GO ALL THE WAY UP.
I BELIEVE THEY EVEN HAVE LAND ON BOTH SIDES OF CHANDLER ROAD.
SO THEY WERE UP HERE, WE HAVE NO EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE CLOSEST INFRASTRUCTURE AT THE TIME WAS, I THINK DOWN HERE ON 1660.
'CAUSE WE DIDN'T, WE HADN'T BUILT ANY OF THIS STUFF YET.
AND THERE WAS, THERE WAS NO WAY THAT THE CITY COULD REQUIRE THEM TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION.
AND, AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY EVEN RAN PRELIMINARY NUMBERS AND SAID, YOU'RE ASKING US TO PAY LIKE $20 MILLION IN UTILITY EXPENSES THAT ARE MILES AWAY FROM US.
SO THAT'S WHEN THEY BASICALLY SAID, HEY, WHAT IF WE DID A MUD AND WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND GOT THE MUD? AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY DO IS THEY FIND A WAY TO NOT INCLUDE THE CITY.
WHICH, I MEAN DEPENDING ON, AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST LIKE THE CONVERSATION WE HAD EARLIER ABOUT THE REC CENTER AND THE AQUATICS CENTER AND CENTER AND ALL THAT.
IF YOU WANT THEM TO BE FREE FOR EVERYONE, THEN THAT'S ONE TYPE OF DESIGN, RIGHT? AND YOU JUST HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE TECH SUBSIDIZING THAT FOREVER.
IF YOU WANT THEM TO BE REVENUE GENERATORS, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DESIGN.
AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT YES, YOU'RE GONNA INCUR THE COST UPFRONT, BUT YOU'RE GONNA PAY YOURSELF BACK IN THE LONG RUN.
IF WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE PROJECTS COMING INTO THE CITY AND WE JUST WANT MUDS ALL AROUND US, THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, DON'T DO ANY OF THIS STUFF.
IF THE DEVELOPERS AREN'T WILLING TO DO IT, JUST LET 'EM BUILD A MUD AND LET THEM FIGURE IT OUT.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA SUBSIDIZE ANYTHING.
THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BETWEEN P AND Z AND CITY COUNCIL.
BUT THAT'S MONEY INTO, SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL DO.
THEY'LL GO TO TAYLOR FOR WHAT, FOR WHATEVER THEY WANNA DO, BUILD THEIR SUBDIVISIONS, BUILD THEIR BUSINESSES.
THEY'LL ALL GO TO THEN LET 'EM, LET 'EM, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
WAS AM I MISREMEMBERING? BUT WASN'T THERE SOME SORT OF SHARING AGREEMENT WITH WILCO AND TAYLOR AND ALL OF THAT FOR THAT PARTICULAR LINE? 48? NO, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HU, THE CITY OF TAYLOR AND WILLIAMSON COUNTY FOR A REGIONAL SOLUTION THAT, SO YOU SEE THIS LAND OVER HERE THAT'S GOT THIS DOTTED UHHUH PATCHING OVER IT.
SO THERE'S AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN WILLIAMSON COUNTY, HU AND TAYLOR THAT HUDA WILL BE THE REGIONAL SOLUTION FOR THAT LAND.
AND IN, IN RETURN WE GET ARPA MONEY FROM THE COUNTY OKAY.
TO COVER THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS LINE.
BASICALLY RIGHT HERE WHERE IT SAYS 44 LS AND 0 3 0 0 3 LS.
SO IT GOES FROM HERE DOWN TO THE PLANT.
SO I WAS REMEMBERING IT RIGHT.
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OKAY.I MEAN, US GETTING ARPA MONEY, YAY,
BUT UM, AND I DON'T SUPPOSE THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN NEGOTIATE FOR THE SAME THING FOR 48.
UH, SO I, I NOT YET, BUT OKAY.
I MEAN, AT SOME POINT, SO HERE'S THE THING.
YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY MORE FAMILIAR WITH THIS THAN I AM, BUT OUR ETJ STOPS AT COUNTY ROAD 1 0 1, RIGHT? FM 33 49.
THAT'S WHY THIS IS HATCHED LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT'S TECHNICALLY TAYLOR'S AREA DESERVED.
TAYLOR CAN'T SERVE IT RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT FAR OUT OUT.
BUT THIS IS WHERE THE RCR RAIL PARK AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF IS MM-HMM
SO TAYLOR CAME TO US AND THEN WE BROUGHT WILLIAMSON COUNTY IN, WE ALL CAME UP WITH THIS SOLUTION.
SAME KIND OF THING WILL HAPPEN ON THE NORTH SIDE.
AT SOME POINT, THIS SIDE OF TAYLOR'S ETJ WILL DEVELOP, WILL TIE INTO OUR STUFF AND THEY WILL MOST LIKELY NEED SERVICE FROM US UHHUH, ASSUMING THAT WE BUILD THIS INFRASTRUCTURE.
IF WE DON'T BUILD THIS INFRASTRUCTURE.
I'M JUST OPERATING OFF OF THIS MAP WHERE YEAH.
WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY GO TO, WHEN THEY GO TO DEVELOP THAT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TIE INTO US BECAUSE IT'S TOO FAR OF A REACH FOR THEM.
THEY'LL BE PAYING INTO THE FEES THE CITY REQUIRES FOR TAPPING IN.
SO I, I GET, I GET THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, LET 'EM GO TO TAYLOR OR, YOU KNOW, LET 'EM BUILD A MUD.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S LOOKED AT MUDS, EVENTUALLY THEY COME BACK TO THE CITY.
YOU DON'T WANT A MUD AND EVENTUALLY THE CITY HAS TO PAY A LOT OF MONEY YES.
TO ACQUIRE, TO BRING THEM IN AND BRING THEM UP TO SPEED.
I JUST CAN'T STOMACH THE THOUGHT OF CURRENT RESIDENTS CONTINUING TO PAY FOR FUTURE GROWTH.
AND HOW DO YOU, SO WHAT CAN YOU DO TO, TO OFFSET THAT? WELL, LEMME RIGHT, BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THIS IS ONLY NECESSARY FOR FUTURE GROWTH.
RIGHT? THIS IS NOT NECESSARY FOR ANYBODY.
WELL, LET, LET ME ASK A FOLLOW ON QUESTION.
IS THAT ON THE EDGE OF THE MEGA SITE? 48 MM-HMM
THIS IS, THIS, THIS IS RIGHT ALONG THE BOUNDARY.
ONCE AGAIN, KIND OF LIKE, UH, 45, THE WHITE MM-HMM
I'M NOT, I GET WHAT YOU'RE GOING, I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
I'M NOT SURE OF THE LEGALITY OF IT, BUT MAYBE WE COULD USE PID SLASH TURS MONEY FOR 48 AND THEN NOBODY'S PAYING, NOBODY'S PAYING FOR IT.
EXCEPT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING IN.
I MEAN, THE OTHER THING THAT YOU GUYS, AND, AND LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS JUST MY THINKING IS IF IT GETS ME CLOSER TO 79, WHICH AS PROJECTS DEVELOP, THEN I'M THAT MUCH CLOSER TO BEING ABLE TO BE IN THAT RANGE TO SAY, OKAY, NOW YOU HAVE TO PULL THESE LINES.
BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS AND THAT WE'RE MAKING PEOPLE PAY FOR THIS STUFF BEFORE DEVELOPMENT CAN REALLY HAPPEN.
SO THE OTHER THING THAT WE COULD SAY IS WE DON'T WANNA MOVE 48 UP.
WE WANT TO LET DEVELOPMENT COME IN.
KINDA LIKE WE'RE DOING WITH 45 UHHUH.
WE'RE GONNA SAY IT'S ON OUR CIP, WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO IT, BUT LET'S JUST WAIT UNTIL SOME DEVELOPMENT COMES IN THAT'S TRIGGERING THAT.
BUT HERE'S THE THING THAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS TO BE BASICALLY VERY CLOSE TO 79.
BECAUSE IF A DEVELOPMENT WANTS TO COME IN UP HERE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME.
WELL, IF YOU LOOK WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE LIMMER HIT 79 AND JUST NORTH OF THAT, UM, WHAT I MEAN, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU BRING IT TO, IF YOU BRING THE, THE 48 BASICALLY ESSENTIALLY TO, TO 79, THOSE YOU CAN FORCE TO PULL THEIR, THEIR WASTEWATER MM-HMM
AND HOW, WHAT IS THAT DISTANCE? IS THAT A, I MEAN THAT, I MEAN WHAT IS, ASSUMING YOU'RE RIGHT AT THE 70, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT'S THE DISTANCE THAT YOU CAN MAKE THEM PULL? HALF MILE.
SO THE NEXT THING IS, IS, IS, IS, UH, WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND, AND, AND, UH, WELL, I GUESS IT'S MORE WE CAN'T NECESSARILY IS WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME OF SOME DEVELOPMENT GOING OUT THERE AND, AND DO WE WANT TO RISK THE MUD THING? WELL, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S FIVE YEARS AWAY, WHAT'S THE, OR IS THIS WELL, WHEN YOU SAY GOING OUT THERE, GOING OUT WHERE? WELL, I'M SAYING THAT SAME PLACE AT LI LOOP WITHIN A HALF MILE OF 79 AND 48 CONNECTIONS.
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WE HAVE A PROJECT TODAY WANTING TO GO RIGHT.SO, AND I CAN'T MAKE THEM, I CAN'T MAKE THEM GET US TO HERE.
I, I GUESS HERE, HERE'S SOMETHING THAT OCCURRED IN THE PAST YEAR.
IT CAN WE GO OVER TO THE, UH, WHAT IS IT, ANDERSON ON THE WEST SIDE? THE YELLOW? YEAH.
AVERY, SORRY, NOT ANDERSON, AVERY.
SO THAT, ALL OF THAT WAS TO PREVENT PACKAGE PLANTS ON THAT SIDE BECAUSE DEVELOPERS WERE COMING IN WEST OF ONE 30 AND WE HAD TO SCRAMBLE AND PUT THIS STUFF INTO, INTO DEVELOPMENT PLANS, ET CETERA, SO THAT THEY HAD SOMETHING IN LIEU OF A PACKAGE PLANT.
I, I DON'T CARE LIKE WHERE I'M AT.
I GET IT AND I GET THE PACKAGE PLAN.
BUT FOR ME, WHAT'S EVEN MORE NOT IDEAL,
I'M NOT THIS, SOME MAY SAY I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT YOUR PACKAGE PLANT BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T AFFECT ME.
WHAT DOES AFFECT ME IS MY TAXES GOING UP SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A PACKAGE PLANT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT US TO BE COGNIZANT OF AS WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
SO, AND, AND, AND I SEE YOUR POINT OF VIEW.
I JUST DON'T WANT US TO GET INTO A, OH CRAP, WE HAVE TO SHELL OUT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR THESE LINES BECAUSE COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT PACKAGE PLANTS IN THE AREA.
THEY'RE NOT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT WHEN COUNCIL SAYS, HEY, WE'RE GONNA STOP THESE SEVEN PACKAGE PLANTS FROM GOING IN AND NOW WE HAVE TO SCRAMBLE TO GET IT.
I THINK, I THINK MAYBE EXPLORING THE PIT TURS ON SECTION.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE BEST OPTION.
BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THE LEGALITIES OF IT.
SO AM I HEARING THAT WE WANT TO PUSH 40 48, WHICH IS ALSO WW 29? PUSH IT OUT.
YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO ATTRACT AND ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT IN CERTAIN AREAS, YOU HAVE TO GIVE A LITTLE.
SO YOU BUILD THE WATER LINE AS FAR AS YOU CAN, AND WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, YOU CHARGE THEM TO TAP INTO THOSE WATER LINES AND THEN THEY PAY THEIR FEES AND EVERYTHING BACK TO THE CITY.
UM, WITHOUT THAT, WE ARE MISSING OUT ON DEVELOPMENT.
OUR TAXES ARE NOT GONNA GO ANY LOWER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE DEVELOPMENT COMING IN.
THEY'RE GONNA GO TO HUDDLE, THEY'RE GONNA GO TO RON ROCK, THEY'RE GONNA GO TO WILLIAMSON COUNTY.
UM, THEY, I MEAN, TAYLOR, THEY, INSTEAD OF HUDDLE, BUT WE'RE GONNA MISS OUT.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND HOW THE DEVELOPMENT WORK, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO PUT THAT IN PLACE EVEN THOUGH IT COST US OUR RESIDENTS UPFRONT.
SO I'M FINE WITH IT WHERE IT'S AT, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO LET, LET ME ASK, IS THERE ANYTHING ON THAT PROJECT WW 29, ANYTHING ON THAT PROJECT PRIOR TO 28? NO.
SO NEXT YEAR, THE YEAR AFTER, WE CAN LOOK AT THIS AGAIN.
IT'LL STILL BE ON THE CIP AND IF THERE IS SOMETHING COMING DOWN THE PIPE, WE STILL HAVE TIME TO PIVOT AND MOVE THIS UP.
UM, AND SO THEN YOU CAN SEE HOW I, HOW I KIND OF STAGGERED 'EM.
NUMBER LEADS TO 50 AND 51, OR SORRY, 51 AND 52 I THINK IT IS.
SO I JUST KIND OF STAGGERED 'EM.
ONCE YOU DO ONE, IT MAKES SENSE TO JUST SLOWLY WORK YOUR WAY OUT.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT UNTIL 29, UH, THEN IT'S 53 62, WHICH IS THE GREEN LINE THAT YOU SAW PARALLEL TO, UH, LIMMER.
THAT GETS US ALL THE WAY UP TO, ASSUMING THAT WE DO ALL THAT, THAT WOULD GET US ALL THE WAY UP TO HERE.
AND ALLOWS US TO ELIMINATE THIS LIFT STATION.
NOW I DID HAVE A QUESTION ON THE GREEN LINE LIMMER.
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62.UM, IT'S KIND OF STARTING IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.
SO I MEAN, IS THERE, IS THERE GOING TO BE A TIE IN BETWEEN THE END OF THAT ARROW AND THE BLUE LINE TO THE WEST? OR THAT JUST MEANS WE GOT A HALF? WELL, SO THE THOUGHT IS THAT THIS LAND HERE, YEP.
WOULD DRAIN INTO THIS PURPLE LINE THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
SO THEN THIS LAND OVER HERE WOULD DRAIN INTO THIS GREEN LINE.
SO LOOKING AT THE, TO TOPOGRAPHY AND EVERYTHING.
AND THEN UP, UP THIS LAND DRAINS INTO THIS PINK LINE, WHICH GOES INTO THIS GREEN LINE.
YEAH, I WAS JUST LIKE, HMM, THAT'S AUB.
I KNOW, RIGHT? THAT IT'S LIKE THE SIDEWALK.
SO THAT TAKES US ALL THE WAY TO HERE.
SO 27 STARTS HERE AND GOES LIKE THIS.
UM, SO THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS DESIGNING 28 AND THIS PART OF 27.
SO I BROKE 27 INTO 27 A AND 27 B.
IT'S IN DESIGN, IT'S BEING DESIGNED BY THE DEVELOPER AND THE MAJORITY OF THE COST WILL BE BORE BY THE DEVELOPER.
UH, WE WILL HAVE COST SHARING AND THEN TWO B IS TWO B WOULD BE THE NORTH NORTHERN SECTION OF 27.
AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEVELOPER.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD JUST BE A CITY COST.
THEN YOU HAVE, UH, 28, WHICH I JUST SHOWED YOU.
UH, 14 AND 15 ARE BEING DESIGNED BY THE, THE MUD THAT'S DOWN, THAT'S SOUTH OF THE CREEK, SOUTH OF THE LIFT STATION.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF PINK STUFF DOWN HERE THAT I'M LIKE, NO, NO, NO.
ALL OF THAT SHOULD BE DEVELOPER.
UM, THEN YOU HAVE COTTONWOOD CREEK PHASE THREE, WHICH FOR OBVIOUS REASONS I DIDN'T PRIORITIZE THAT ONE.
AND SO I'M LIKE, WE'RE A WAYS OFF FROM BEING TO GO THAT FAR NORTH.
UM, THAT WAS THAT TOUCHING CR 100 OR CHANDLER CR 100.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE A YEAR OR TWO AWAY FROM THAT STILL.
UH, THEN THERE'S A BUNCH MORE PINK AS I'M SAYING, ARE ALL DEVELOPER.
THEN YOU HAVE, UH, 66, 67 AND 69, WHICH ARE THESE HERE.
BUT AGAIN, I'M SAYING WE'RE A WAYS OFF AND IF WE CAN GET CLOSE THEN WE CAN PROBABLY HAVE THE DEVELOPER BUILD A LOT OF THAT 68.
I FULLY SAID, NOPE, THAT'S GONNA BE A DEVELOPER.
UH, AND THEN YOU GET INTO THE SECOND PHASE OF THE, SO WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, THE DECOMMISSIONING OF THE TWO NORTHERN MOST LIFT STATIONS AND THE THIRD PHASE OF THE SOUTH WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE I DIDN'T EVEN PRIORITIZE THOSE IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
CAN, CAN WE BOUNCE BACK TO THE MAP FOR JUST A MOMENT? SO 68, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE 66 AND 67 IN PRIOR TO 68, CORRECT? YEP.
JUST TRYING TO GET THE SEQUENCE RIGHT.
AND THEN THAT MEANS WE'LL ALSO HAVE TO HAVE 54, 53, 52, 51 AND 48.
WHICH IS WHY I AM TRYING TO GET US CLOSER THAT WAY THEY, BECAUSE THEN I CAN PUSH MORE AND MORE OF THIS OFF ONTO DEVELOPERS.
BUT BUT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, IF THEY WANTED TO PUT WHERE YOU HAD, IF, IF THEY WANTED TO DEVELOP RIGHT AT WHERE YOU HAVE THE 67 FLAG UHHUH, THEY'RE WITHIN HALF A MILE OF THE BLUE LINE OVER HERE.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THIS BLUE LINE GOES TO THE CENTRAL PLANT AND WE DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR THEM IN THE CENTRAL PLANT.
SO THAT'S WHY THE MASTER PLAN ANTICIPATED THAT AND SAID THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO GO TO THE SOUTH PLANT.
AND SO THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THEM NEEDING TO GO ALL THE WAY UP HERE AND THEN ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE BEFORE THEY GET TO THE CLOSEST INFRASTRUCTURE.
BUT IF WE WERE TO DRAW A CIRCLE, MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A LOLLIPOP OR SOMETHING, UM, AT THE TOP OF 34, DRAW A HALF MILE RADIUS CIRCLE FROM THAT UHHUH.
TECHNICALLY WE DON'T WANT THEM TO.
BUT THAT PREVENTS THE PACKAGE PLANT ISSUE.
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DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR THEM AT THE, AT THE CENTRAL WASTEWATER.SO THAT'S WHAT HE WAS JUST SAYING, THAT THEY BUILT THE MASTER PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE THAT GOING TO THE OTHER ONE.
SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE THE SITUATION WHERE WE SAY, YEAH, YOU'RE WITHIN HALF A MILE OF OUR SYSTEM, BUT OUR SYSTEM CAN'T ACCOMMODATE YOU.
SO WE CAN'T PROVIDE YOU SERVICE.
YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOUR YEARS OR FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER UNTIL WE CAN EXPAND TO ACCOMMODATE YOU.
AND THEY SAY, WE'RE NOT WAITING THAT LONG.
YOU CAN'T MAKE US WAIT THAT LONG.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT.
SO THE ONLY PROJECTS THAT I REALLY THINK ARE QUESTIONS, AND THIS IS REALLY FOR YOU GUYS TO UM, LOOK AT IS WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT PROJECT NUMBER 10 OR PROJECT NUMBER 58.
UM, AND THAT'S MOSTLY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THIS PUMPS TO THE, TO THE FARTHER LIFT STATION AND THEN IT PUMPS UP HERE TO THE FORCE MAIN.
THIS FORCE MAIN IS GONNA GO AWAY WHEN WE GET THIS YELLOW LINE BUILT MM-HMM
BUT PROJECT 10, THE IDEA BEING THAT YOU TAKE THIS LIFT STATION OFFLINE, YOU DRAIN INTO THIS LINE DOWN HERE, WHICH STILL GOES TO THE BROOKLYNS.
SO THEN THAT'S ALL PUMPING HERE.
SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD DO 58 AND 10 EARLY.
THAT WOULD BE FULLY ON THE CITY 'CAUSE THERE'S NO DEVELOPERS CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO COME REPLACE THE LIFT STATION FOR US.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THIS LINE TO GET BUILT SO THAT WE CAN COME BACK AND DO THIS PROJECT HERE.
I DIDN'T FIGURE ANYBODY WOULD REALLY BITE AT THAT.
THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
I'M JUST POINTING IT OUT SO THAT YOU GUYS KNOW YOU DO HAVE PROJECTS THAT YOU CAN SHIFT AROUND.
WE COULD SHIFT 45 UP AND GO AHEAD AND DO THAT ONE.
WE COULD SAY NO TO 48 AND PUSH IT BACK OUT
UM, BUT REAL, REALLY, UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM AND, AND STUFF TO PLAY WITH.
ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE NOT WANTING TO JUST SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY ON 10.
UH, AGAIN, THIS, I'M NOT SEEING THE TOPOGRAPHY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WOULDN'T IT? IT'S DEFINITELY A SHORTER ROUTE TO TURN NORTH ON 1 37 AND PLUG IN THEN RUN IT ALL THE WAY SOUTH.
YEAH, BUT YOUR CREEK IS OVER HERE.
ALL OF THIS WANTS TO DRAIN TO THE CREEK.
I GUESS, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU TRY TO WORK AGAINST GRAVITY.
AND WE'RE, WE BE, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE LIFT STATION AND WE'D BE CUTTING ENFORCEMENT NOW.
WE'D BE CUTTING THROUGH THE NARROWS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WHAT ARE ON THESE QUESTION OR WHAT YOU SAID QUESTIONABLE.
WHAT ARE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS ON LIKE 10 58? CAN'T SEE MY MONITOR'S GOING OUT.
UH, SO HOW ABOUT FOUR AND OH, 4.6 AND 30 AND I'VE GOT THAT OUT IN 20 20 30.
'CAUSE I, I, LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD BE IN, IN A RUSH TO DO EITHER ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS.
AND THEN 58 LS IS, UH, YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMBINED.
BECAUSE THERE'S NO POINT IN KEEPING THE LIFT STATION, BUT YOU BUILD THE GRAVITY LINE.
SO I, I PERSONALLY LIKE 48 WHERE IT'S AT, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO REACT STILL.
WE'RE NOT LOCKED IN TO TAXPAYERS SPENDING MONEY NEXT YEAR.
IT'S STILL FAR ENOUGH OUT WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET DEVELOPERS ON THE MEGA SITE TO COUGH UP THE DOLLARS FOR THAT.
AND THE SAME THING'S TRUE OF 45.
WHERE'S 45? IS IT LIKE IN 28 OR SOMETHING? YEAH, THAT, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S DOWN.
SO THAT BOTH OF THOSE GIVE US TIME TO, TO PIVOT IF NEED BE.
BUT ON THAT, I REALLY DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT CAN OR SHOULD BE MOVED.
HOW ABOUT YOU GUYS? AND, AND REMEMBER YOU'LL GET ANOTHER BITE AT THIS PROVERBIAL APPLE WHENEVER YOU START LOOKING AT DOLLAR AMOUNTS.
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4.8 WAS THE SCHEDULE THAT IT'S ON RIGHT NOW.I DON'T SEE A NEED, LIKE I'LL SAY TO MOVE EVERYTHING UP OR FOR THE, SO OH, 48 WAS 4.7 MIL IN WHAT YEAR? 28.
CAN I LOOK AT THE, THE BY YEAR TOTALS? I KNOW THIS IS PRELIMINARY, BUT, SO THERE'S NOTHING IN 2025.
RIGHT? SO, UH, WE'VE ALREADY SPENT MONEY IN 2025.
I JUST LOOKING AT YEAR OVER YEAR.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE LIKE 95, 36 AND THEN 27 IS 36.
36, 28 IS 51, 29 IS 63 AND 30 IS CALL IT 60.
I MEAN JUST YOUR, JUST YOUR WASTEWATER TOTAL PROJECT ESTIMATE IS 1.1 BILLION, ALMOST 1.2 BILLION.
WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT WATER OR STREETS OR PARKS INSANE.
PLUS THEY'RE DOING BUSINESS BUT DON'T DO BUSINESS.
SO IF YOU GUYS ARE GOOD WITH THE WASTEWATER AS I'VE GOT IT RIGHT HERE, LIKE I SAID, YOU'LL GET ANOTHER CHANCE ONCE WE START LOOKING AT THE DOLLARS AND CENTS, THEN I WON'T MAKE ANY TWEAKS TO THIS PART OF THE SPREADSHEET.
UM, NEXT WEEK WE'LL BRING BACK ANOTHER INS PIECE FOR YOU AND IT'LL BE A LENGTHY INS PIECE.
UH, IN FACT ALL OF THE INS STUFF FROM THIS POINT FORWARD WILL BE LENGTHY BECAUSE I IMAGINE THE PARKS, THE JOINT P AND Z PARKS MEETING WILL BE A LENGTHY MEETING.
JUST DEBATING BETWEEN WHAT PARKS WANTS AND WHAT YOU GUYS WANT.
AND THEN DOING STREETS AND DRAINAGE IS GONNA BE LENGTHY 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS COULD, AND THAT ONE IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE THERE'S NO RHYME OR REASON TO HOW YOU DO STREETS.
I MEAN YES, WE KNOW CONGESTION WISE, BUT I MEAN YOU COULD SAY, I DON'T CARE.
I WANT TO GO DO THIS STREET OVER HERE INSTEAD OF THAT STREET OVER THERE.
I'VE BEEN IN CITIES THAT HAVE SAID WE WANT TO DO A STREET IN EVERY SINGLE 'CAUSE THEY WERE SPLIT UP INTO DISTRICTS.
WE WANNA DO A STREET IN EVERY DISTRICT.
WE DON'T CARE WHERE THE, WHAT THE PRIORITY IS.
AND SO IT'S REALLY JUST, THERE'S NO REAL RHYME OR REASON.
ALL THE THINGS THAT COME INTO THAT.
UM, CAN I ASK THAT WE MAKE A NOTE ON 45 AND 48 OKAY.
TO MAYBE ASK, UH, ASK LEGAL ABOUT PID AND TS FUNDING THOSE PROJECTS.
I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M, I'M ON, I'M ON THE TS BOARD, BUT I'M NOT A TS LAWYER.
YOU THINK THEY'D BE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT? I MEAN, I, I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS SOMEWHAT REGULARLY WHEN NEW PROJECTS COME IN AND IT'S REALLY JUST KIND OF THE EDCS.
I KNOW THEY'RE THEIR OWN PREROGATIVE ON ON IF THEY THINK IT'S WORTH MM-HMM
MAKING THAT TYPE OF INVESTMENT.
I, I THINK IT'S ALWAYS WORTH ASKING, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I WAS JUST SAYING THEY, I MEAN THEY KIND OF HAVE A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, GOAL.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IT'S MARKETING THE CITY, RIGHT.
SO, WHICH THEY DO A GREAT JOB BUT IT'S REALLY NOT THEIR PURVIEW TO MAKE IT, IT'S CHEAP FOR THE CITIZENS AS POSSIBLE.
WELL I JUST FIGURED THEY MIGHT WANNA ENTICE, BUT WE SHOULD ASK DEVELOPMENTS A LITTLE BIT ALONGSIDE THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WHICH USUALLY THE OTHER WAY AROUND IT'S WHAT WE THAT'S TRUE TO ENTICE SOMETHING HERE AS OPPOSED TO WE WE A DIFFERENT, IT'S A MODALITY.
WE JUST GOTTA CHANGE THE SALES PITCH.
HEY, DO YOU WANT TO BE CLOSE TO SAMSUNG?
BECAUSE THE LAND IS GOING TO DEVELOP
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CENTRAL TEXAS IS NOT GONNA STOP GROWING.AND SO AS THE LAND DEVELOPS AND WE HAVE LESS AND LESS OF IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT MAKING ANYMORE, IT'S GONNA GO UP IN VALUE, WHICH MEANS OUR TAXES ARE GONNA KEEP GOING UP.
'CAUSE WE WERE TALKING BEFORE THE MEETING EVEN STARTED, I LIVE IN TAYLOR.
THERE'S NO REAL GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING IN TAYLOR LIKE THERE IS HERE YET.
IT'S COMING, BUT IT'S NOT THERE YET.
AND MY TAXES ARE GOING UP AND THE CITY OF TAYLOR HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST TAX RATES ALREADY OF ALL OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY ALREADY.
AND SO, UM, SO THE LAND IS GONNA DEVELOP NO MATTER WHAT.
THE QUESTION IS, ARE YOU GONNA BE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY? ARE YOU GONNA BE SOMETHING ELSE OR ARE YOU GONNA BE A COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T GROW AND ALLOWS ALL THE MUDS TO COME IN AND THEN YOU'RE JUST A BUNCH OF BEDROOMS THAT ARE, YOU'RE STILL IN DEALING WITH ALL THE ISSUES ISOLATED.
AND SO I, I THINK THAT THERE'S REALLY NEEDS TO BE A GOOD CONVERSATION FROM THIS GROUP AND CITY COUNCIL AS TO WHAT WE ACTUALLY WANT HUDDLED TO BE.
NOBODY WANTS TO PAY MORE IN TAXES, BUT THAT'S NOT A REALITY.
BUT YOU CAN CONTROL HOW MUCH MORE IN TAXES, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME, SOME TYPE OF LIKE, BALANCE HERE BECAUSE WELL THERE IS, BUT IF YOU CONTINUE TO JUST LET BEDROOM AFTER BEDROOM AFTER BEDROOM COME IN HERE, YOU CAN'T SUPPORT A CITY ON BEDROOMS. I A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH THAT.
SO YOU, THAT'S WHY GETTING BACK TO THE EDC CONVERSATION, YOU NEED THE EDC TO GO OUT AND BE MARKETING YOU TO TRY TO GET ALL OF THE LAND THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE OR AS MUCH OF IT AS POSSIBLE TO BE SOMETHING OTHER THAN BEDROOMS. BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, ONCE THE EDC DOES THAT, THAT DON'T MAKE THESE DEALS WITH THE DEVELOPER TO LIKE INCENTIVIZE THEM AND THE THE SCRIPT NEEDS TO BE FLIPPED RIGHT.
THEY'RE FRONTING A LOT MORE THAN THEY HAVE BEEN.
YOU WANNA BE CLOSE TO SAMSUNG, YOU WANT TO BE CLOSE TO THE TROLL BOAT.
AND APARTMENTS, THEY'RE GONNA PUT APARTMENTS AND HOTELS ALONG 79 TO HELP SUPPORT THE SAMSUNG BUILDINGS.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN FROM CAREER AND STAYING THERE, COMING TO WORK AND EVERYTHING.
THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA GO ALONG THERE IF WE DON'T GET YEAH, IT'LL APPLY.
BUT MY, MY ISSUE IS, I, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN HURO THAT ARE ALREADY SEEING $300 MORE A MONTH ON THEIR TAX BILL.
RIGHT? AND SO HOW CAN WE, I'M NOT GONNA TEST MINE
I DON'T WANNA HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY TO SAY, I KNOW YOUR TAX BILL JUST WENT UP BY 300 A MONTH.
AND I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO PAY AN ADDITIONAL HOWEVER MUCH.
LIKE THAT'S A HARD CONVERSATION TO HAVE.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING LIKE WITH THE PACKAGE PLANT, BRING A PACKAGE PLANT, I DON'T CARE BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T, YOU'VE MADE THE DECISION TO BUY YOUR HOUSE WHERE THERE'S A PACKAGE PLANT THAT SHOULDN'T BE ON ME TO ACCOMMODATE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE EXACTLY.
WE HAVE TO, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE FROM THE PERSON WHO IS PAYING 300.
THEY'RE ALREADY, SO, BUT I GET EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SAYING MATT, THAT IT'S, IT'S GONNA GROW REGARDLESS.
I DON'T DISAGREE NECESSARILY, UM,
AND FOR ME PERSONALLY, MUDS SHOULD BE, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ME PERSONALLY.
MUD SHOULD BE THE EXCEPTION, NOT THE RULE.
'CAUSE ALL THAT DOES IS KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD MM-HMM
AND THAT'S, THAT'S MIGHT BE GREAT FOR TONY AND, AND AND JIM AND ME.
'CAUSE 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WE WON'T CARE
RIGHT? WELL, AND WE'RE FROZEN ALREADY, BUT WE WON'T CARE.
BUT TO PUT THAT ON HOPE, I'M NOT GONNA LITERALLY THE NEXT
I'M, I'M JUST LIKE, OH NO, NO, NO, NO.
IF YOU CAN AVOID IT, DO WHAT YOU CAN TO AVOID IT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF IT'S UNAVOIDABLE, YES, I KNOW.
BUT YOU KNOW, I I THINK OF, UH, WHAT IS IT, UH, WEST OF 35, YOU LOOK AT ROUND ROCK AND ALL OF THOSE MUDS OUT THERE.
I'M JUST LIKE, COME ON, WE, WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.
WE DON'T NEED TO LOSE CONTROL THAT BADLY.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAD FOR YOU TONIGHT WAS JUST LIKE I SAID, I WAS STARTING YOU GUYS OFF EASY.
THIS SOFTBALLS, RIGHT?
SO THEY'LL THEY'LL GET HARDER.
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I WAS GONNA SAY NEXT WEEK YOU'LL BE GOLF BALL
I THINK NEXT WEEK WE'RE STARTING EARLY 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A LONG ONE, RIGHT? FIVE NEXT WEEK WE START FIVE.
THAT'S THE ONLY FIVE O'CLOCK ONE, RIGHT? THAT'S THE ONLY FIVE O'CLOCK.
AND I WILL DO MY BEST TO BE HERE AT FIVE.
YOU CAN COME IN LATE AND WE WILL BE PROVIDING, UM, DINNER THAT NIGHT.
I MEAN AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS THE FOUR OF US ARE GONNA BE HERE.
I WAS GONNA SAY, IF JIM IS OUT SICK, I WON'T BE OKAY.
IF YOU ARE, IF YOU ARE FEELING SICK, JIM, COME AND WE'LL SIT YOU OVER THERE.
JUST PUT ME IN THE KENNEL IN THE FRONT.
WE'LL GET SOME, UH, LYSOL AND SPRAY ALL AROUND.
WE'LL PUT YOU IN THE CONE OF ISLANDS.
I'M NOT CONTAGIOUS, BUT I DID THAT FOR Y'ALL'S BENEFIT TODAY.
BUT YEAH, I'M, I'M THINKING, UH, NEXT WEEK IF NEED BE, I'M, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND SUSANNA'S NOT HERE.
I'M NOT GONNA ADJOURN RIGHT AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
IF WE ONLY HAVE THREE PEOPLE, I'LL WAIT FOR YOU.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GONNA BE LATE, I MEAN YOU COULD TEXT.
SAY I WILL BE 10 MINUTES LATE.
I WILL EMAIL ASHLEY IF I WILL NOT BE HERE ON TIME.
WHERE DO YOU WORK? I I WORK FOR
HE DIDN'T ASK THAT YOU WORK FOR I WORK REMOTELY.
I WORK FROM HOME TO SEE SHE WORKS.
SAID YOU SAID WHERE? OH, WHERE DO I WORK? WELL, LET ME EXPLAIN IT TO YOU.
I WORK FROM MY HOUSE,
SO I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT REMOTE.
BUT BECAUSE IT'S NEW MEXICO BASED, I WORK OFF OF MOUNTAIN TIME.
SO THAT'S WHY ALL OF MY MEETINGS FOR MY REAL JOB.
GO LATER IN THE DAY HERE BECAUSE IT'S AN HOUR EARLIER THERE OF NEW MEXICO.
IT'S A PRETTY, I LOVE THAT STUFF.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS ON FOR, DO WE NEED TO ADJOURN THIS AND START A ORDER? YEP.
WELL THEN LET US ADJOURN THIS AT 8:36 PM ALRIGHT.