Link

Social

Embed

Disable autoplay on embedded content?

Download

Download
Download Transcript

[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER ]

[00:00:08]

THE MAC IT'S 7:00. WE CALL THIS CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THURSDAY, MAY 1ST 2025 TO ORDER. WE WILL START WITH LOCAL ROLL CALL. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON. COUNSEL FOR CLARK. SOME OF HER KOLAR. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. GORDON. MAYOR SNYDER. INVOCATION BY MR. BOBBY PRUITT.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I WANT TO INVITE ALL OF Y'ALL TO OUR GRAND OPENING OF OUR NEW BUILDING THIS SUNDAY. YOU WILL RECEIVE AN INVITATION TO OUR BUILDING DEDICATION ON MAY 21ST

AS WELL. >> THANK YOU FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, FOR MAYOR SNYDER AND YOUR WORD TELLS US THAT THE HEART OF THE KING IS IN THE HAND OF THE LORD. AND THAT HE TURNS IT ANY WHICH WAY HE WANTS. IF THAT'S TRUE OF A KING OR EMPEROR, IT'S TRUE OF A CITY COUNCIL, OF A MAYOR, IT'S TRUE OF A MAGISTRATE AND WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD DO THAT. BUT YOU WOULD TURN THE HEARTS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THE MAYOR, THOSE IN CHARGE OF THE CITY TOWARD JUSTICE, TOWARD HONESTY, THAT YOU WOULD BRING INTO THE LIGHT WHAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT INTO THE LIGHT. AND THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THE CITY AS A RESULT. WE THANK YOU FOR HUTTO . FOR ITS CITIZENS, FOR THE FOLKS HERE, WE LOVE THIS TOWN. OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMITTED TO THE BETTERMENT OF THE CITY. WE JUST ASK THAT WE KNOW WE DO NOT DESERVE IT, WE ASK FOR YOUR GREAT MERCY AND GRACE ON THIS CITY AND THAT YOU WOULD BLESS IT WITH LEADERS WHO ARE WISE, WHO GUIDE US WELL AND TO MAKE THE MOST OF THIS GREAT CITY IN JESUS NAME. WE PRAY. THANK YOU.

>> PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ON THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE

TEXAS FLAG. >> THE CITY COUNCIL

PROCLAMATIONS. >> MEMBERS OF DEIB . MEMBERS OF ASIAN AMERICAN PACIFIC ISLANDERS. IS THERE ANYONE HERE?

[5.1. Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month (DEIB Commission) ]

THIS IS A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING ASIAN AMERICAN AND PACIFIC ISLAND OR HERITAGE MONTH. THE CITY OF HATO IS PROUD TO RECOGNIZE AND HONOR THE FIBRIN CULTURES AND MANY CONTRIBUTIONS OF ASIAN AMERICANS AND PACIFIC ISLANDERS. WHOSE HERITAGE SPANS THE ENTIRE ASIAN CONTINENT AND PACIFIC ISLANDS OF MELANESIA, MICRONESIA AND POLYNESIA. AND ASIAN AMERICAN AND PACIFIC ISLANDER HERITAGE MONTH IS OBSERVED EACH MAY TO COMMEMORATE THE ARRIVAL OF THE FIRST JAPANESE IMMIGRANTS TO THE UNITED STATES. ON MAY 7, 1843. AND TO MARK THE COMPLETION OF THE TRANSCONTINENTAL RAILROAD ON MAY 10TH, 1869. A PROJECT BUILT IN LARGE PART BY CHINESE IMMIGRANT LABORERS. WHEREAS A PI INDIVIDUALS HAVE A LASTING IMPACT IN THE HISTORY, ECONOMY, SCIENCES, ARTS AND CITY OF HUTTO, CONTRIBUTING TO THE STRENGTH, DIVERSITY AND VIBRANCY OF OUR COMMUNITY. THE CITY OF HUTTO VALUES DIVERSITY AND STRIVES TO CULTIVATE A CULTURE OF INCLUSION, EQUITY AND BELONGING FOR ALL. RECOGNIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF HONORING AND UPLIFTING THE VOICES AND EXPERIENCES OF AAPI RESIDENCE. AND WHEREAS THE DIVERSITY, EQUITY, INCLUSION AND BELONGING COMMISSION IS COMMITTED TO FOSTERING AWARENESS, UNDERSTANDING AND UNIFYING ALL RESIDENTS BY CELEBRATING THE UNIQUE HERITAGE AND LIVED EXPERIENCES. THE CITY OF HUTTO IS PROUD TO COLLABORATE WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS SUCH AS THE GREATER AUSTIN ASIAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FOR ASIAN PACIFIC AMERICAN BUSINESSES AND

[00:05:03]

COMMUNITIES STRENGTHEN THE FABRIC OF OUR REGION AND THE IMPACT OF AAPI CONSERVATIONS. THEREFORE, WE HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY 2025 AS ASIAN AMERICAN AND PACIFIC ISLAND OR HERITAGE MONTH AND ENCOURAGE ALL RESIDENTS TO JOIN IN HONORING THE IMMEASURABLE CONTRIBUTIONS AND VIBRANT CULTURE OF THE COMMUNITY BY PARTICIPATING IN EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES, CULTURAL EVENTS, AND ACTS OF SOLIDARITY THAT CELEBRATE THE SPIRIT OF UNITY, RESILIENCE AND RESPECT. [APPLAUSE]

>> JACQUELINE ASKED ME TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN OF THE DEIB COMMISSION. IT IS REALLY STARTING TO TAKE SHAPE AND HAS A HEAVY FOCUS ON COMMUNITY DIALOGUE AND COLLABORATION. THE FIRST PILLAR IS TO ESTABLISH AN ONGOING STRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THE WORK OF THE GROUP. AND A KEY COMPONENT OF THAT IS GOING TO BE TO ESTABLISH AND TRAIN THREE FOCUS WORKING GROUPS THAT WILL MEET ON A REGULAR BASIS AND JUST IMPROVE THE DIALOGUE IN THE CITY. VETERANS GROUPS, SENIORS AND SMALL BUSINESSES. LOOK FOR THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

AND I HOPE A LOT OF YOU WILL BE INVOLVED IN THAT.

>> THANK YOU. >> I TOOK MY GLASSES OFF. NEXT WE HAVE THE MONTH OF THE MILITARY CHILD. NUMBERS OF OUR MILITARY COMMUNITY. COME ON UP. THIS IS A PROCLAMATION

[5.2. Month of the Military Child (Councilmember Brian Thompson) ]

RECOGNIZING MONTH OF THE MILITARY CHILD. ESTABLISHED IN 1986 BY THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, THIS MONTH HONORS THE STRENGTH AND SACRIFICE OF CHILDREN IN MILITARY FAMILIES.

THESE YOUNG INDIVIDUALS OFTEN FACE UNIQUE CHALLENGES, FREQUENT RELOCATION, EXTENDED SEPARATION FROM LOVED ONES AND CONSTANT ADAPTATION TO NEW ENVIRONMENTS. YET THEY CONTINUE TO DEMONSTRATE EXTRAORDINARY RESILIENCE. WHEREAS NATIONWIDE, MORE THAN 1.6 MILLION MILITARY CONNECTED CHILDREN ATTEND PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

RECOGNIZING APRIL AS A MONTH OF THE MILITARY CHILD HELPS RAISE AWARENESS AND SUPPORT FOR THESE STUDENTS AND FAMILIES. IN THE HUTTO ISD WE ARE PROUD TO SUPPORT OUR MILITARY FAMILIES THROUGH OUR MILITARY SUPPORT PROGRAM. PART OF OUR PARENT AND FAMILY ENGAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. THIS PROGRAM PROVIDES SPECIFIC RESOURCES, OUTREACH AND CONNECTIONS TO MEET THE NEEDS OF MILITARY CONNECTED STUDENTS. ADDITIONALLY, ALL 11 CAMPUSES IN THE HUTTO ISD HAVE EARNED THE TEXAS EDUCATION AGENCY PURPLE STAR CAMPUS DESIGNATION RECOGNIZING OUR COMMITMENT TO SUPPORT MILITARY CONNECTED STUDENTS. THESE CAMPUSES INCLUDE HUTTO HIGH SCHOOL, HUTTO NINTH-GRADE CENTER, FARLEY MIDDLE SCHOOL, HUTTO MIDDLE SCHOOL, VETERANS HILL ELEMENTARY, HOWARD MOORMAN ELEMENTARY, NADINE JOHNSON ELEMENTARY, RAY ELEMENTARY, COTTONWOOD CREEK ELEMENTARY AND HUTTO ELEMENTARY. THEREFORE, WE THE CITY OF HUTTO HARRY -- HEREBY PROCLAIM APRIL 2025 AS MONTH OF THE MILITARY CHILD AND ENCOURAGE ALL RESIDENTS TO CONTINUE THEIR SUPPORT OF THE HUTTO ISD AND THE FAMILIES THEY SERVE.

>> THANK YOU MAYOR SNYDER, COUNSEL FOR THIS PROCLAMATION.

HUTTO ISD HAS ALMOST 1000 MILITARY CONNECTED STUDENTS. WE HAVE STUDENTS THAT ARE, THE GUARDIAN IS A VETERAN CURRENTLY SERVING OR KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY. THIS PROCLAMATION SHOWS NOT JUST OUR COMMUNITY BUT ESPECIALLY OUR SCHOOLS AND MILITARY CONNECTED FAMILIES HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE TO US. I WANT TO ESPECIALLY THANK BENJI AND GERTRUDE, OUR MILITARY LIAISONS AT HUTTO ELEMENTARY AND HOWARD MOORMAN AND WE HAVE SOME MILITARY CONNECTED FAMILIES AS WELL. SPECIAL THANK YOU TO

[00:10:02]

COUNCILMAN THOMPSON FOR GETTING THIS DONE FOR US. HE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH US TO GET THIS DONE SOMETHING YOU SO MUCH. I ALSO WANT TO GIVE THE COUNCIL SOME PURPLE HEARTS THAT WE HAND OUT TO OUR MILITARY CONNECTED FAMILIES IF I COULD.

>> I APPRECIATE YOUR SACRIFICE. SERVICE AND I KNOW FROM A LOT OF THE PEOPLE AT AMERICAN LEGION, I KNOW YOU'RE SERVICE DOESN'T

END. IT JUST ONLY STARTED. >> THANK YOU, SIR. [APPLAUSE]

>> NEXT WE HAVE MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS MONTH.

[5.3. Mental Health Awareness Month (Katia Leal-Bristol) ]

>> THIS IS A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS MONTH. WHEREAS IN AN EFFORT TO IMPROVE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE AND AWARENESS, WHILE ADDRESSING THE STIGMA ASSOCIATED WITH THEM THIS PROCLAMATION DOESN'T MAKE MAY 2025 AS MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS MONTH IN THE CITY OF HUTTO. AND WHEREAS THIS SENTENCE IS ALL LOWERCASE. MENTAL HEALTH IS A FUNDAMENTAL ASPECT OF OVERALL WELL-BEING AFFECTING INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES. MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES DO NOT DISCRIMINATE. AFFECTING INDIVIDUALS OF ALL AGES, BACKGROUNDS AND CIRCUMSTANCE.

WHEREAS DURING THEIR LIFETIME, PROXIMALLY HALF OF THE POPULATION WILL EXPERIENCE SOME FORM OF MENTAL HEALTH CHALLENGE.

AND WHEREAS MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES IMPACT NEARLY EVERY FAMILY IN THE UNITED STATES. AND WHEREAS THE STIGMA LINKED TO MENTAL HEALTH CONTINUES TO OBSTRUCT OPEN DIALOGUE AND RESTRICT ACCESS TO RESOURCES FOR THOSE IN NEED. AND WHEREAS MENTAL HEALTH IS A VITAL ASPECT OF OUR RURAL WELL-BEING AND QUALITY OF LIFE.

EMPLOYERS, EDUCATORS, AND COMMUNITY LEADERS PLAY A VITAL ROLE IN PROMOTING MENTAL ILLNESS. AND SUPPORTING INITIATIVES. AND WHEREAS INDIVIDUALS GRAPPLING WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES CAN RECOVER WHEN GIVEN THE NECESSARY RESOURCES AND COMMUNITY SUPPORT. AND WHEREAS EARLY INTERVENTION AND ACCESS TO APPROPRIATE RESOURCES CAN SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE RECOVERY OUTCOMES FOR THOSE EXPERIENCING MENTAL HEALTH CHALLENGES. AND WHEREAS CREATING SAFE SPACES FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO FEEL COMFORTABLE DISCUSSING THEIR MENTAL HEALTH IS CRUCIAL TO BUILDING SUPPORTIVE NETWORKS. THEREFORE, WE THE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY OF HUTTO HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY 2025 AS MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS MONTH AND ENCOURAGE ALL HUTTO RESIDENTS ALONG WITH GOVERNMENT AGENCIES , PUBLIC AND PRIVATE INSTITUTIONS, BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS TO RECOMMIT TO FOSTERING AWARENESS AND UNDERSTANDING OF MENTAL ILLNESSES, REDUCING STIGMA AND DISCRIMINATION AND PROMOTING ACCESSIBLE SERVICES FOR EVERYONE AFFECTED BY MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. [APPLAUSE]

>> WE WANT TO THANK THE CITY OF HUTTO FOR ITS SUPPORT OF THE MENTAL HEALTH COMMUNITY. WE HAVE DEFINITELY ASSESSED A BUNCH OF FAMILIES AND IT'S WITH GREAT PRIDE THAT I HAVE STAND RIGHT HERE AMONG ALL OF YOU GUYS. TO SAY THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF SUPPORT AND WE ARE DEFINITELY CREATING A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR COMMUNITY, BETWEEN OURSELVES AND THE CITY. SO THANK YOU SO

MUCH. >> NEXT WE HAVE CITY MANAGER

[6. CITY MANAGER COMMENTS ]

[00:16:01]

COMMENTS. >> GOOD EVENING. I AM THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FILLING IN FOR CITY MANAGER THIS EVENING. FOR CITY MANAGER COMMENTS, THE FIRST QR CODE IS A RECRUITMENT CODE THAT SHOWS ANY OPEN POSITIONS WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY. TONIGHT, I'D LIKE TO SHARE ONE NEW HIRE AND ONE SPECIAL RECOGNITION. OUR NEW HIRE IF YOU COULD COME TO THE FRONT IS CHRIS. LET'S GIVE HIM A WELCOME. OUR NEWEST POLICE OFFICER AND WE WELCOME HIM IN HIS NEW ROLE. CHRIS BRINGS NINE YEARS OF RELEVANT EXPERIENCE TO THE CITY OF HUTTO AND IS EXCITED TO CONTRIBUTE HIS SKILLS , DEDICATION AND COMMUNITY FOCUSED MIND-SET TO KEEPING HUTTO SAFE AND BUILDING STRONG RELATIONSHIPS. WELCOME, CHRIS. AND WE HAVE A SPECIAL RECOGNITION. DEANNA LEWIS, SHE COULD NOT BE HERE THIS EVENING.

DEANNA FOLLOWING A HIGHLY COMPETITIVE TRANSFER PROCESS FOR POLICED WE ARE PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT OFFICER DEANNA LEWIS HAS BEEN SELECTED AS THE NEXT COMMUNITY RESOURCE OFFICER.

SHE WILL PLAY A KEY ROLE IN STRENGTHENING TRUST, INCREASING VISIBILITY AND BUILDING LASTING PARTNERSHIPS THROUGHOUT OUR CITY. HER SUCCESS WILL BE OUR SHARED SUCCESS AND WE ARE CONFIDENT HER WORK WILL BUILD A POSITIVE AND LASTING IMPACT ON HUTTO. LET'S GIVE A ROUND OF APPLAUSE TO DEANNA. [APPLAUSE] THE NEXT QR CODE THAT'S GOING TO POP UP IS THE ALL THE OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS I WILL BE SHARING AT THIS POINT. FIRST ANNOUNCEMENT IS ABOUT OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING. THIS IS NOW OPEN TO APPLICATIONS. WHAT IS OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING? IT'S NOT ABOUT COMPANIES THAT JUST WORK OUTSIDE. OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING HERE, THIS IS TALKING ABOUT AGENCIES BESIDE THE CITY THAT PROVIDE CORE SERVICES TO THE CITIZENS OF HUTTO. THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE AN AMOUNT OF FUNDING RECEIVED, I'M SORRY, THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING RECEIVED BY EACH DEPENDS ON COUNCIL DIRECTION AND AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS. SO RIGHT NOW THE APPLICATIONS ARE OPEN FOR THOSE COMPANIES OR OUTSIDE AGENCIES THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE THAT TYPE OF FUNDING TO THE CITY. THE CITY COUNCIL MAY FUND UP TO 1% OF THE ESTIMATED GENERAL FUND REVENUES DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. MARK YOUR CALENDARS IF YOU KNOW OF ANY OF THESE COMPANIES INTERESTED. THERE IS A VIRTUAL FAQ MEETING WITH CITY STAFF ON MAY 14TH AT NOON. AND THE DEADLINE TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR THIS TYPE OF FUNDING IS JUNE 20TH. SO IF YOU KNOW ANY COMPANIES INTERESTED IN THIS, DIRECT THEM TO OUR WEBSITE. FOLLOW THE QR CODE AND LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS. THE NEXT ANNOUNCEMENT IS THE CITY OF HUTTO IS SEEKING STATEMENTS OF QUALIFICATION FROM EXPERIENCED AND QUALIFIED COMPANIES FOR VARIOUS ON-CALL AND AS NEEDED SERVICES. SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR INTERESTED AND QUALIFIED COMPANIES IN THE FOLLOWING KIND OF CATEGORIES OF WORK. SO IF YOU KNOW OF ANY BUSINESSES THAT DO THIS TYPE OF WORK, LET THEM KNOW. FOR UTILITY COORDINATION, TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING, DRAINAGE ENGINEERING, ARCHITECTURE, MATERIAL TESTING, SURVEYING, ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, GEOTECH ENGINEERING AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE. FIRMS THAT ARE SELECTED WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR FUTURE PROJECTS WITH THE CITY. BEGINNING NEXT FISCAL YEAR FOR A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS. AND AGAIN, THESE INTERESTED PARTIES THAT NEED TO SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION EITHER USING THE QR CODE OR LEARN MORE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. I HAVE A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS ABOUT SOME UPCOMING EVENTS. THE LIBRARY ON

[00:20:03]

THE SECOND AND FOURTH FRIDAYS HAVE A BOOK CLUB FOR SENIOR RESIDENTS. ON MAY 13TH THEY WILL HAVE A ASIAN AMERICAN AND PACIFIC ISLANDER FAMILY EVENT. AND THEN THE SUMMER READING KICKOFF PARTY BEGINS ON MAY 30TH. WE KNOW SCHOOL IS ABOUT TO FINISH UP THE SCHOOL YEAR. PARKS AND RECREATION HAVE SOME UPCOMING EVENTS AS WELL. THERE IS FREE YOGA. THE FIRST SATURDAY WHICH IS MAY 3RD AT 10:00 A.M.. THERE IS A NIGHT OUT FOR THE FAMILIES CALLED SAFARI IN THE CITY ON MAY 17. AND THEN OUR ANNUAL SUNSET BLOCK PARTY WILL BE ON MAY 23RD. AND WE WILL HAVE A NEW PARADE ON MEMORIAL DAY MAY 26. THE LAST ANNOUNCEMENT HERE IS A REMINDER FOR LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS TO ATTEND AN EVENT CALLED RISE AND THRIVE. RISE AND THRIVE THESE ARE TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO CONNECT WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM. THEY WILL BE ON MAY 6TH AND MAY 8TH FROM 7:30 A.M. TO 9:00 A.M. CHATTING WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO LEARN ABOUT BUSINESS RESOURCES AND ENJOY FREE COFFEE AND PASTRIES. ALSO TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THOSE EVENTS, JUST GO TO THE QR CODE OR WE HAVE OUR CONNECT CALENDAR ONLINE AS WELL. THIS CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS.

[7. PUBLIC COMMENT ]

>> THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. IT WILL GO TO YELLOW WHEN THERE IS 30 SECONDS LEFT AND THEN RED. FIRST UP WE HAVE ROBIN SUTTON.

>> SO THIS TOTAL COMMENT IS GOING TO BE TO YOU, MAYOR. YOU HAVE A PATTERN OF ATTACKING WHEN YOU ARE NOT IN CONTROL OVER IT.

WHEN YOUR PEOPLE WERE REMOVED, YOU SPOKE ABOUT PEOPLE HAVING FEELINGS. LIKE WE SHOULD CARE ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES YOU HAVE SAID THAT THERE ARE NO FEELINGS IN POLITICS. ONLY FACTS. IN FACT YOU DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THE FEELINGS OF AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY. NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO BEG FOR AN APOLOGY, YET THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS ROOM AT THIS PODIUM. YOU IGNORED THE FEELINGS OF OUR BLACK COMMUNITY. AND OUR BLACK COUNCILMEMBERS. IGNORANCE AS TO WHY YOU HURT SOMEONE DOESN'T MEAN YOU DIDN'T HURT THEM. THE EDC WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN MARCH IF WE DIDN'T LEAK THE EXEC INFORMATION. YOU SHOW UP TO MEETINGS ON ABIDED. AND INTERFERE WITH NEGOTIATIONS. GEORGE WAS COUNSEL AT THAT MARCH MEETING. HE DIDN'T INTERFERE WITH WHAT THE BOARD WAS DISCUSSING. WHAT YOU TREATED THE ATTORNEY THAT WAS HERE AT THIS PODIUM AS IF SHE WAS A LEGAL COUNSEL IN ATTENDANCE. CURIOUS IF YOU WOULD ACTUALLY TALK TO GEORGE THE WAY YOU TALK TO HER.

IF HE WAS DEFENDING HIS ACTIONS. I SINCERELY DOUBT IT. WHILE WE ARE ON THE TOPIC, OUR EDC ATTORNEY AND LITIGATION ATTORNEY. ON JANUARY 16TH, 2020, YOU BROUGHT UP LEGAL BILLS PAID TO MCGINNIS. THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT FREAK PEOPLE OUT AND FREAKED COUNSEL OUT WAS 2.6 MILLION. TO DATE IN LITIGATION ONLY, WE HAVE PAID 2.3 MILLION DOLLARS TO GEORGE. AND THAT'S ONLY LITIGATION. WE ALSO PAID $40,000 TO PROTECT YOUR QT EMAILS. WHICH YOU CLAIMED THAT QT WAS THE ONE THAT WANTED TO PROTECT YOUR EMAILS. I SINCERELY DOUBT THAT. BECAUSE YOU HAD A QT TRIP THAT SENT YOU TO ST. LOUIS. ARE YOU GOING TO CUT ME OFF?

[00:25:01]

>> NEXT UP. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COUNCIL AND STAFF. I AM REALLY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF REPRESENTATION OF THE CITIZENS. I SEE ON FACEBOOK AND HAVE PERSONAL ACCOUNTS FROM RESIDENTS THAT A COUNCIL CANDIDATE PROMOTES VOLUNTEERING. WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT IN THEORY. WE SHOULD ALL BE WILLING TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND PROMOTE A POSITIVE IMPACT. HOWEVER, WHEN YOU DECIDE TO BE ON THE SIDES OF RULES FOR THE AND NOT FOR ME MENTALITY, WHAT IS THAT PROMOTING? NOT ONLY DID THIS CANDIDATE ILLEGALLY CUT TRAILS ON HOH OWNED PROPERTY, BUT HE ALSO PROMOTES IT AS PUBLIC LAND. UNFORTUNATELY THIS MEANT I HAVE SEEN THE CONCERNS OF SAFETY CONCERNS AND LITTERING. ONE H AWAY HAD TO CREATE A WHOLE COMMITTEE TO CLEAN THESE TRAILS. COSTING TIME AND MONEY FOR HOMEOWNERS. WATCH PRESIDENT ARE WE SETTING FOR ALLOWING THIS? THIS IS A BAD LOOK ON THIS COUNSEL. ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE TWO SITTING COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE PUBLICLY ENDORSED THIS CANDIDATE. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THIS BEHAVIOR? YOU ARE SO WORRIED ABOUT THE MAYOR AND HOW ABOUT YOU WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF? KNOWING THIS, I ASK, ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS? ARE YOU GOING TO ANNOUNCE YOUR ENDORSEMENT?

AUDIO] >> I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT COUNCILMEMBERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO INTERACT WITH OR RESPOND TO INDIVIDUALS WHO DO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> PETER GORDON ENDORSED HENRY GIDEON SO HE COULD CONTINUE HUTTO'S GROWTH EXPLOSION. MR. GIDEON CALLS THIS THE EAST WILLIAMSON COUNTY MIND-SET. HE HAS CLEARLY WORDED LETTER STATED ONE OF MY TOP PRIORITIES IS TO KEEP THE COST OF LIVING IN HUTTO AFFORDABLE. I WILL WORK TIRELESSLY TO IMPLEMENT POLICIES THAT PROVIDE FINANCIAL RELIEF AND SUPPORT FOR SENIOR CITIZENS SO YOU CAN ENJOY RETIREMENT WITHOUT THE BURDEN OF RISING EXPENSES. SENIORS KNOW IT WAS MAYOR MIKE WHO FOUGHT TO FREEZE THEIR TAXES. NOT MR. GIDEON. THE LETTER CONTINUES WITH A WISH

[00:30:02]

LIST AMENITIES FOR SENIORS. IT IS MEANT TO DRAW THEIR EYES OFF THE CRISIS AT HAND. THESE INCLUDE INCREASED TAXES, INCREASED UTILITY BILLS, FLOODPLAIN ANXIETIES. WATER RESTRICTIONS. AND ADDITIONAL AND LOW INCOMES CAN'T AFFORD.

MR. GIDEON'S TOP PRIORITIES WILL NOT GIVE SENIORS AN ENJOYABLE RETIREMENT. INSTEAD, THEY WILL FACE RISING EXPENSES.

MR. GIDEON, YOU ARE NOT STRIVING TO MAKE HUTTO A PLACE TO THRIVE AND FEEL CONNECTED. YOU ARE STRIVING TO BUILD YOUR KINGDOM AND MAKE FATCATS OF THOSE PROFITING FROM YOUR EAST WILLIAMSON COUNTY MIND-SET AT HUTTO'S EXPENSE. YOU HAVE REFUSED TO ANSWER CITIZENS QUESTIONS. INSTEAD, YOU CHOSE TO USE POLITICAL FORUMS LIKE THE HUTTO HIGH SCHOOL . THEY PRESENTED YOU WITH STAGE QUESTIONS. YOU ALREADY HAD YOUR DECEITFULLY WORDED REPLY CAREFULLY REHEARSED. THIS IS THE MARK OF CORRUPT POLITICIANS. BEWARE OF THE TRAGEDY AT HAND.

HENRY GIDEON HAS USED POLITICAL MANEUVERING EXPERIENCE. HE IS FUNDED BY GROUPS THAT SEEK RICHES AT HUTTO'S EXPENSE. HIS POLITICAL CAMPAIGN IS FILLED WITH DOUBLETALK. ONE OF HIS BILLBOARDS SAYS WORK TOGETHER AND LIVE BETTER. I CANDY AND POLITICAL JARGON. WHAT IS MR. GIDEON'S TRUE INTENT? DECEIT.

LET'S LOOK AT HIS OWN ACTIONS. THEY REVEAL MR. GIDEON'S TRUE CHARACTER. THIS IS HIS WILLIAMSON COUNTY MIND-SET. MR. GIDEON WILL CONTINUE TO EXPAND THE HUTTO GROWTH EXPLOSION AND IT INCLUDES REGIONAL GROWTH. HE IS SUPPORTED BY REGIONAL WILLIAMSON COUNTY POWERHOUSES. THIS MIND-SET IS CODE FOR EXPANSION AT EVEN GREATER COST TO HUTTO CURRENT RESIDENCE.

CONCRETE IS REPLACING GREEN SPACE, NATURAL PLANTS AND WILDLIFE. ONCE WE RUIN OUR ENVIRONMENT, IT WILL NOT BE BROUGHT BACK. LOSS OF WILDLIFE HABITAT HAS ALREADY CAUSED LOSS OF OUR BELOVED PETS AS WILD ANIMALS HABITAT NOW INCLUDES OUR YARDS. RESIDENCE IN OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS SHOULD NOT FEEL SAFE. NEW FLOODPLAINS WILL OCCUR IN OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS WHEN WATER RUNOFF FROM OVERDEVELOPED LAND MAKES ITS WAY DOWN HILL INTO CURRENT HOMES. FLOOD INSURANCE IS EXPENSIVE. AND WILL NOT FULLY RESTORE PROPERTY LOSS. I THINK THE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO SPOKE TWO WEEKS AGO ABOUT THE DECLINE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD QUALITY-OF-LIFE AND EVER-INCREASING UTILITY EXPENSES CAUSED BY OVEREXPANSION OF GROWTH AND LACK OF PREVENTION OR CONSIDERATION OF THE COSTS TO OUR ENVIRONMENT. QUALITY-OF-LIFE IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO HUTTO CITIZENS. MR. GIDEON REFUSED TO IMPLY WIT GREEN SPACE RESTORATION REQUIREMENTS WHEN BUILDING IST CAMPUSES AND HE REFUSED TO DO A STUDY ON IMPACT.

ANYONE HAVING TO NAVIGATE THE HUTTO HIGH SCHOOL AREA KNOWS HE NEGLECTED TO PLACE RESIDENCE FIRST. TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A NIGHTMARE. STUDENTS FACE DAILY TRAFFIC THREATS AS THEY GO TO AND FROM SCHOOL. HE IS A GROWTH AT ALL COSTS PERSON. HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE COST, INCONVENIENCE AND DESTRUCTION TO HUTTO RESIDENTS AND THEIR PROPERTIES. WORK TOGETHER. THAT'S A JOKE. MR. GIDEON BELIEVES IN SOVEREIGNTY. THAT MEANS HE WORKS ONLY WITH THOSE DESIRING TO FURTHER HIS AGENDA. AS A HUTTO ISD EMPLOYEE, MR. GIDEON CLAIMED HE WAS SOVEREIGN AND REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS. IF ELECTED TO CITY COUNCIL, HE WILL WORK TOGETHER WITH DEVELOPERS IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND HIS NIECES AND DEVELOPMENTS. MR. GIDEON WILL RULE WITH THEIR INTEREST IN MIND. HE WILL NOT WORK WITH CURRENT RESIDENCE TO PREVENT INCREASES IN FLOODPLAIN AREAS.

HE WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE UTILITY BILLS. AND IMPOSE SEVERE WATER RESTRICTIONS, GIVE US GREATER TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND HIGHER TACTICS. TAXES. BUILDING AT ALL COSTS IS MR. GIDEON'S SOVEREIGN PLAN. MR. GIDEON CLAIMS HE WILL ADDRESS INFRASTRUCTURE. PUBLIC SAFETY. IMPROVE THE LIVES OF OUR CURRENT RESIDENCE. DESPITE THE PROBLEMS RAPID EXPANSION HAS ALREADY BROUGHT US MR. GIDEON PLANS TO INFLICT MORE PAIN ON HUTTO

[00:35:02]

RESIDENCE. WE CANNOT REMAIN A COMING PLACE WHEN THEY CAN SAFELY CROSS THE STREET. THERE IS NOT AN ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY AND NEW FLOODPLAINS ARE CREATED IN LONG-ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS. MR. GIDEON'S POLITICAL JARGON IS ALL FLUFF.

LIKE POISON COTTON CANDY, IT WILL TASTE SWEET AT FIRST BUT IT IS A PILL LACED WITH BITTER SORROWS FOR ALL CURRENT RESIDENCE. PLEASE TAKE NOTE THAT KOLAR VOTES WITH A GROWTH AT ALL COSTS EAST WILLIAMSON COUNTY MIND-SET. SHE IS ONE OF THE MAJORITY OF FOUR THAT VOTE FOR INCREASED TAXES. SHE VOTES TO BRING IN NEW DEVELOPMENTS" TO GRANT THEM OUR PRECIOUS WATER.

IF YOU WANT CHANGE, YOU MUST VOTE TO REMOVE HER FROM THIS COUNSEL. CITIZENS, ONLY YOU CAN STOP THIS. MOST OF YOU HAVE NOT VOTED. GO TO THE POLLS ON SATURDAY AND STOP HENRY GIDEON AND KOLAR BEFORE THEY BECOME THE MAJORITY NEEDED TO INCREASE TAXES AND IMPLEMENT PLANS THAT WILL COST ALL CURRENT HUTTO RESIDENTS DEARLY. MR. GIDEON'S SOVEREIGN RULE WILL BECOME PART OF THE COURT MAJORITY THAT HOLD THE POWER BY IGNORING CHARTER RULES AND MISINTERPRETING STATE LAW. WE NEED MAYOR MIKE, WE NEED MORRIS AND TO TURN THIS CITY COUNCIL BACK TO ONE THAT REPRESENTS ITS CITIZENS. VOTERS, A FEW MINUTES OF YOUR TIME ON SATURDAY WILL DECIDE HUTTO'S FATE. HUTTO'S FUTURE IS IN YOUR HANDS. NO ONE ELSE CAN CHANGE HUTTO'S CURRENT PROBLEMS. YOUR DECISION MATTERS. THIS ELECTION IS VITALLY IMPORTANT. PLEASE GO

VOTE. THANK YOU. >> NEXT WE HAVE JAMES.

>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. AND THE ATTORNEY. I'M JAMES WEAVER, I DO LIVE HERE IN HUTTO. AFTER BEING CLOSE TO THE VOTERS THIS WEEK, I HAVE COME TO FIND OUT THAT SEVERAL CITIZENS ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE DUTIES OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT I SPOKE WITH WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE MAYOR HAS UNLIMITED POWER OVER MEETINGS AND ALL DECISIONS ARE HIS. KIND OF CAUGHT ME BY SURPRISE. I EXPLAINED TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT CITIZENS THAT THE CITY IS GOVERNED BY A WEAK MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT. THAT MEANS THE CITY IS MANAGED BY THE CITY MANAGER WHO IS CHARGED WITH RUNNING AND ADMINISTERING THE DIRECTIVES OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

THE MAYOR HAS ONE VOTE, JUST LIKE THE REMAINING SIX COUNCILMEMBERS. THE MAYOR HAS NO VETO POWER OVER THE COUNSEL.

BASICALLY, THE MAJORITY RULES. THERE ARE SEVEN VOTES ON THE COUNCIL AND GENERALLY IT TAKES FOUR VOTES TO PASS MOST ITEMS. A MINORITY OF THREE WAS ABLE TO STOP A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE IN 2024. RAISING TAXES IS ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT REQUIRE A SUPER MAJORITY. OTHER THAN THAT, A GROUP OF FOUR CITY COUNCIL PERSONS HAVE HAD THE MAJORITY WHICH IS BASICALLY CONTROLLED THE CITY FOR SEVERAL YEARS. WHERE HAS THAT GOTTEN US? IT SEEMS THAT EVEN VOTERS WHO PUT THESE FOR IN OFFICE ARE NOT SATISFIED. NOT FROM WHAT I HEARD. THEY CANNOT BLAME THE MESS ON JUST ONE PERSON. BUT THE MINORITY OR MINORITY OF THREE VOTES. BUT DON'T FORGET, WE HAVE A WEAK MAYOR CITY OF GOVERNMENT. OUR MAYOR DOES NOT HAVE VETO POWER. ONLY ONE VOTE.

JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER COUNCILMEMBER. I FOUND IT VERY INTERESTING THAT MANY PEOPLE DO NOT REALIZE THIS. AND WHEN I ASKED ABOUT THESE MISCONCEPTIONS, I FOUND OUT THAT MOST PEOPLE HAD NEVER ATTENDED A CITY COUNCILMEMBER MEETING OR EVEN A RECORDED ARCHIVED MEETING. I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT THEY ATTEND SOME OF OUR MEETINGS. OR AT LEAST WATCH THEM FROM THE COMFORT OF THEIR HOME. I BELIEVE THIS IS ONE CHANGE THAT WOULD EDUCATE OUR VOTER POOL MUCH BETTER THAN JUST ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE'VE DONE THAT I'M AWARE OF. THANK YOU.

>> NEXT WE HAVE RANDY. >> FORGIVE ME. THIS IS MY FIRST

[00:40:07]

TIME DOING THIS BUT I FEEL REALLY PASSIONATE. THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT I NEED TO ADDRESS. CAN WE START MY TIME AGAIN? IN ALL THE MAILINGS AND ADVERTISEMENTS, ONLY TWO CANDIDATES HAVE SHOWN GENUINE CONCERN FOR THE VETERANS.

COUNCILMAN GORDON. HOW IMPORTANT ARE VETERANS OR ARE THEY JUST ANOTHER PHOTO OP TO BE USED TO PUSH A POLITICAL AGENDA? WHO CAN ELOQUENTLY PRACTICE WORD SALAD AS YOU HAVE DONE LATELY ON FACEBOOK BY ALSO SUPPORTING COREY WHO ALSO TIES INTO THE LEGAL BUILD OF THE HOA SIDEWALK. AS A PROMINENT HOA PRESIDENT I ALSO HAVE TO USE PERMITS AND WHEN I DO THINGS. SO I ASKED COREY. WERE ALL OF THOSE SUBMITTED APPROVED BY HORTON, WHERE THEY ALL PERMITTED BY THE CITY? HOW DID ALL OF THAT SIDEWALK HAD BUILT AND FUNDED? WAS THE CITY RESPONSIBLE FOR FUNDING THAT SIDEWALK? NOW THAT THEY ARE ENCROACHING ON HOMEOWNERS, IS THE CITY NOW GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING PART OF THOSE TAXES? SINCE NOW WE HAVE EMINENT DOMAIN ON THEIR HOMES BECAUSE THE SIDEWALKS ARE IN THEIR BACKYARD.

SO WHEN HE WAS ON THE BOARD WAS HE ABLE TO FILE THE PROPER PERMITS AND GET THE VOTES BY A PROPER BALLOT AT THE TEXAS STATE GUIDELINES REQUIRE BY THE HOA? AS IN HOA MEMBER WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THOSE. SO IF WE ARE ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN BEFORE SOMEONE IS ELECTED, ONCE WE ELECT THEM ARE THEY GOING TO CONTINUE DOING THAT KNOWING THEY CAN ABUSE POWER? MR. GORDON, I TURN THAT BACK TO YOU ABOUT THE VETERANS. HOW IMPORTANT ARE WE?

>> WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO RESPOND OR INTERACT.

>> YOU ARE JUST GOING TO WAIT FOR FACEBOOK TOMORROW?

>> I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU AFTER THE MEETING.

[8.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, and Area Government appointments. ]

>> THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS, REAPPOINTMENTS OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS. TASK FORCE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS AND

AREA GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS. >> WE DO HAVE ONE FOR THIS WEEK.

WE HAVE DONE SOME INTERVIEWS WHERE WE ARE CONTINUING TO INTERVIEW. WE STILL HAVE OPENINGS. WE HAVE OPENINGS ON THE BOARD NUMBER THREE, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, PARKS ADVISORY BOARD, PLANNING AND ZONING AND THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. WE STILL HAVE OPENINGS SO PLEASE GO ONLINE AND SUBMIT. WE ARE STILL DOING INTERVIEWS. WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT FOR BOARD NUMBER ONE WHICH IS THE CO-OP. APOLOGIZE IF I GET THIS WRONG PER. WE DID INTERVIEW HIM AND FELT HE WAS VERY WELL QUALIFIED FOR THE POSITION. THAT IS THE ONLY RECOMMENDATION.

>> IS THAT A MOTION? >> YES THAT IS A MOTION.

>> SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK.

>> WHICH NUMBER WAS THAT? >> NUMBER ONE. THE CO-OP.

>> FURTHER REMINDER TO ONCE YOU APPROVE OF RECOMMENDING IT TO CITY SECRETARY, THE RECOMMENDATION JUST BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF APPLICATIONS. SO JUST TO VERIFY.

>> MAYOR SNYDER. COUNCILMAN BERT THOMPSON. COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD. COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON. GORDON. COUNSEL FOR

CLARK. COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. >> PASSES 7-0. ARE YOU ON ANY

BOARDS? WHICH ONES? >> YOU NEED TO WAIT UNTIL YOU

HAVE YOUR COUNSEL. >> AND COTTONWOOD.

>> IS THAT PART OF THE OR IS THAT ANOTHER OPENING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN? IF THERE IS A MEETING AND YOU'RE NOT HERE, WE

[00:45:07]

CAN'T DO IT. THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD.

>> I BELIEVE THERE'S FIVE PEOPLE. SO IT IS BARE MINIMUM.

[8.2. Consideration and possible action regarding recommendations or updates from City Council sub-committees (i.e. Legislative, HISD). ]

>> CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RECOMMENDATIONS OR UPDATES FROM CITY COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEES.

>> WE DISCUSSED TWO POSSIBLE BILLS THAT MIGHT AFFECT CITIES BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE NOT MOVING FORWARD.

>> THE CITY I GUESS HAD SENT AN EMAIL TO ALL OF US RECOMMENDING SUPPORT. BUT NEITHER HAVE RECEIVED A HEARING. SO MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WE CAN SUPPORT. BUT TIME IS RUNNING OUT.

>> NOT ON THE COMMITTEE BUT I DID SUBMIT THE EMAIL WE GOT

TODAY. FOR LEGAL. >> SENATE BILL 1844. THERE IS SOME INFORMATION THAT SEEMS TO BE CONTRARY TO WHAT THE SPONSORS

REPORT SAYS. >> THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT COUNSEL OF HER CLARK IS TALKING ABOUT.

>> HE IS TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WAS EMAILED. IS THERE

SOMETHING WE NEED TO KNOW? >> IT DEPENDS ON THE READING OF IT. BUT IT ALLOWED VOLUNTARY PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

>> I HAVEN'T. >> WHAT WAS IT?

>> 1844 IN THE SENATE. AND ONE IN THE HOUSE.

[9.1. Capital Improvement Projects (CIP) Updates and Presentations (Matt Rector) ]

>> ANYTHING ELSE? MOVING ON. CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT UPDATES AND PRESENTATIONS. IT'S BEEN A COUPLE MONTHS.

>> I AM JUST GOING TO TRY TO GO THROUGH THIS AS QUICK AS I CAN.

THIS IS TYPICALLY AROUND THIS TIME IS WHEN WE GO THROUGH EVERY

PROJECT. >> QUESTIONS AFTER EACH ITEM OR

AT THE END? >> AS WE GO WILL PROBABLY BE EASIER. SO WE ARE WORKING ON THE SIDEWALK THING. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT INTERNALLY IS WE ARE GOING TO BASICALLY FIELD ENGINEER IT RATHER THAN HIRING A CONSULTING FIRM. AND THEN BASICALLY THE ENGINEERING TEAM WILL ALLOW THE TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT GETS BUILT THE WAY WE WANT IT BUILT. AND THEN WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS. HOPEFULLY WE GET MORE SIDEWALK FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY. 1660. OBVIOUSLY THIS ONE.

>> THAT LAST ONE, IS THAT THE ONE WHERE THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT

THE RIGHTS OF ENTRY? >> NO SIR. THAT IS A SEPARATE

PROJECT. >> THIS IS JUST AN ANNUAL ONE.

>> 1660. SO WE DO STILL HAVE ONE UTILITY CONFLICT WE ARE TRYING TO GET RESOLVED. WITH A TELECOM COMPANY. WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM TRYING TO GET THEM OUT OF OUR WAY BUT WE ARE STILL TRYING TO GET THIS WRAPPED UP THIS MONTH. THAT IS WHERE WE'RE AT.

THIS ONE IS. >> YOU GOT A UTILITY CONFLICT.

THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THE PAVEMENT. AND DO THE UTILITY

LATER. >> THEY CAN. BUT THEY HAVE ASKED IF WE CAN DO EVERYTHING ONCE THE UTILITY IS OUT OF THE WAY. SO THEY STILL HAVE TO ONCE THAT LAST LINE IS OFF THE POOL THEY STILL HAVE TO PUT A STORM CULVERT IN. SO THEY HAVE ASKED IF THEY CAN DO EVERYTHING AT ONCE.

>> IS THIS UNDERGROUND UTILITY?

[00:50:02]

>> THIS IS ON A POLE AT 1660. SO IT IMPACTS HOW THEY CAN.

>> THANK YOU. >> THIS STARTED 2023.

>> YEAH. I BELIEVE WE STARTED CONSTRUCTION AT THE END OF '23.

>> IF IT STARTED IN '23, WAS THERE ANYTHING IN THE CONTRACT THAT HEY, GO AHEAD AND START MOVING THE UTILITY IN JANUARY OF '24 INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL THE END. SOME OF THESE JUST GO ON AND ON AND THERE IS ALWAYS A LITTLE EXCUSE. I GUESS IT'S A RHETORICAL QUESTION. IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THERE, WHEN WE DO CONTRACTS GOING FORWARD CAN WE HAVE SOME KIND OF DEADLINE? AFTER THIS YOU OWE US MONEY. BECAUSE WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE UTILITY ISSUE. YOU HAD 18 MONTHS.

>> IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED. THE CONTRACTOR IS NOT THE ONE THAT MOVES THE UTILITY. WE HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT WORKS FOR OUR CONSULTANT WHO DOES UTILITY COORDINATION AND THEY FACILITATE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE UTILITY COMPANY TO GET THEM MOVED OUT OF OUR WAY. THE CAVEAT ON THAT ONE IS WHEN THEY RELOCATED, WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE MOVED THERE LINES WE CREATED NEW CONFLICTS. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THAT AND THEN THAT IS THE HANGUP RIGHT NOW IS THIS LAST CONFLICT WE ARE TRYING TO GET THIS UTILITY COMPANY. ENCORE ALREADY MOVED ALL THEIR LINES, JUST LIKE WE DID ON 1660 NORTH. YOU GET THEM ALL MOVED AND THEN YOU CAN GO. SO WE MOVED EVERYBODY EXCEPT FOR THE LAST ONE. BUT THE POLLS WERE WHEN THEY PLACE THEM THEY WERE SHIFTED. THIS IS THE UTILITY COMPANY. THEY WERE SHIFTED BY ABOUT 10 FEET FROM WHERE HE HAD DESIGNED THEM. SO IT CREATED NEW CONFLICTS FOR US. SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE ARE FACING IS NOW WE ARE TELLING THESE UTILITY COMPANIES MOVE YOUR STUFF AGAIN SO WE CAN FINISH OUR WORK BECAUSE YOU PUT IT RIGHT WHERE WE WERE PUTTING SOMETHING ELSE. SO. IN THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS WE ALWAYS SAY YOU HAVE THIS MANY DAYS OF WORK AND IF YOU MISS THE SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION DATE WE CAN CHARGE YOU X NUMBER OF DOLLARS PER DAY FOR EVERY DAY YOU ARE BEYOND THAT. BUT IT IS NOT THEIR FAULT LIKE A UTILITY COMPANY BEING IN THE WAY THAT WE CAN'T. WE COULD TRY TO PUSH IT

ON THE CONTRACTOR. >> THEN HIRED THE CONSULTANT.

HERE'S WHAT I'M SEEING. IN MY EXPERIENCE WHEN YOU DO DEVELOPMENT, YOU MEET WITH THE UTILITY PROVIDERS AND YOU HAVE TO MEET ON DAY ONE. AND EVERYBODY SIGNS OFF ON IT. WHAT I FIND FREQUENTLY HAPPENS, IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE GOING OUT AND DOING WORK AND THEN THEY ARE THE ONES TELLING US WHAT TO DO. I DON'T SEE A COOPERATION WHERE DID WE MEET WITH THEM A YEAR AGO AND THEY ALL SIGNED OFF ON THIS? BECAUSE WE ARE SPENDING TENS OF THOUSANDS ON CONSULTANTS. A CONSULTANT OF A CONSULTANT WHO DIDN'T DO THEIR JOB WHO'S GOT THE WHOLE PROJECT ON HOLD.

THERE'S GOT TO BE A FASTER WAY TO DO BUSINESS. BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THREE PROJECTS THAT UNLIKE, HOW IS IT STILL IN CONSTRUCTION? THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN SEPTEMBER. IT'S A UTILITY CONFLICT. THIS ISN'T YOU, BUT IT'S LIKE THE PEOPLE WE ARE HIRING. I WANT TO VOTE NO ON WHATEVER CONTRACT IT IS. WE HAVE ISSUES WITH A GUY THAT SUBMITTED UNDER AN OLD LAW, GOT A SIX MONTH DELAY THERE. THERE'S GOT TO BE A CONSULTANT TO UNDERSTAND IT'S YOUR JOB. BUT YOU'RE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB, YOU ARE FIRED AND YOU OWE US MONEY. INSTEAD WE COULD CHANGE FOR WORK THAT WASN'T DONE CORRECTLY BECAUSE IT COST OTHER ISSUES. IF I'M GOING TO TAKE THE BLAME, I WILL START BEING THE GUY THAT STARTS PUSHING. WHO IS THE CONSULTANT? LET'S FIRE THE CONSULTANT. FIGURE IT OUT TO WHERE WE CAN HAVE A JOB DONE. SOMETHING THAT STARTS IN '23. SO IT'S FRUSTRATION FOR ME BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN BUDGETED SINCE 2019

[00:55:01]

WELL BEFORE YOU WERE HERE. FULLY FUNDED AND BUDGETED. AND HERE WE ARE. WE ARE STILL ALMOST READY TO GET IT DONE. WHENEVER IT COMES UP, WHOEVER IT IS, PLEASE DON'T ENGAGE THAT CONSULTANT.

BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY DID A GOOD JOB.

>> THIS IS AGAIN ONE OF THE GROUP OF 1660 PROJECTS THAT STARTED IN 2019. THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE GOT ALMOST THROUGH, WE DID GET THROUGH DESIGN AND WERE NEGOTIATING WITH AND THEN TXDOT SAID YOU CAN'T DO WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING TO DO. SO THIS WAS ALL EARLY LAST YEAR. WE WORKED WITH TXDOT AND PUSHED BACK AND SAID HEY, YOU ARE ADDING THIS AT THE MIDNIGHT HOUR TO US. YOU SHOULD PAY FOR THIS. YOU SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DESIGN, YOU SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ADDED COST. BECAUSE WE SUGGESTED THIS TO YOU BACK WHEN THE CITY FIRST STARTED THIS PROJECT AND YOU SAID NO. SO TXDOT AGREED TO THAT. WE MODIFIED THE AFA, THEY HIRED THE CONSULTANT AND STARTED WORKING THROUGH THE DESIGN, THE DESIGN WAS PUT ON HOLD AND THEY STARTED UP AGAIN. CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS ON THEIR SIDE. WE ARE NOW AT ABOUT 90% DESIGN.

THEY HAVE WORKED OUT OTHER CONTRACTS, NOW THEY HAVE COME BACK AND TOLD OUR CONSULTANT THAT THEY HAVE TO CHANGE ALL OF THEIR PLANS TO INCLUDE THE CONSULTANT INFORMATION AND MODIFY THIS OTHER STUFF. OUR CONSULTANT SENT ME A CHANGE ORDER, I SENT THAT TO TXDOT AND SAID YOU ARE GOING TO PAY FOR ALL THIS. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. OUR CONSULTANT IS WORKING TO TRY TO FIGURE ALL THIS OUT BUT HAS BASICALLY PUT EVERYBODY ON NOTICE THAT ALL OF OUR AGREEMENTS WERE THAT TXDOT WOULD PAY FOR IT. SO NOW TXDOT IS ASKING FOR AN ITEMIZED LIST OF THE EXTRA COSTS. THE PROJECT IS STILL MOVING. IT IS JUST MOVING AT A SNAILS PACE. I HAD HOPED THAT WE WOULD BE MUCH FURTHER

ALONG ON THIS. BUT. >> BECAUSE THEY ARE PAYING FOR EVERYTHING, IF THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE BALL IS IN THEIR COURT FOR EVERYTHING. AND ALL THE WHILE WE HAVE A NEW SUBDIVISION BASICALLY THAT IS GOING IN, WE HAVE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE TRYING TO OPEN EMPTY OUT WHERE THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO OPPORTUNITY TO TURN RIGHT ONTO 1660 SOUTH. AND SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND. WHAT LEVERAGE DO WE HAVE AS A CITY IN ORDER TO MOVE THIS PROJECT ALONG? BECAUSE IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THERE IS AN ACCIDENT OR BOTTLENECK. OR IF THAT LIGHT AT 79 DOESN'T WORK ALL THE PEOPLE ARE BACKED UP GOING ALL THE WAY POTENTIALLY BACK TO THAT LIGHT. SO WHAT LEVERAGE DO WE HAVE?

>> CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS YOU SAID. THE REASON WHY TXDOT HAS ADDED THE SIGNAL IS BECAUSE OF THE BACKUPS AND ACCIDENTS THAT HAPPENED IN THIS INTERSECTION. SO THAT'S WHY THEY SAID HEY, THIS IS NOT SAFE, WE NEED TO ADD A SIGNAL. WE TOLD YOU THAT A LONG TIME AGO. ANYWAY, I ESCALATED IT AS HIGH UP AS I CAN WHICH IS NOT ONLY THE AREA ENGINEER BUT I ALSO WENT TO AUSTIN DISTRICT. THE DISTRICT ENGINEER. THAT'S AS HIGH UP AS I EVER DEAL WITH. AT YOUR LEVEL, I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN HELP FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF LEVERAGE YOU GUYS HAVE A LIVER ABOVE ME. MOST OF THE TIME, ANYBODY ABOVE THE DISTRICT ENGINEER IS NOT GOING TO TALK TO THE CITY ENGINEER. SO I AM PUSHING ALL OF THE BUTTONS AND PULLING ALL THE LEVERS I HAVE ACCESS TO BUT I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE YOU KNOW OTHER AVENUES THAT THE CITY HAS TO TRY TO GO ABOVE THOSE PEOPLE.

>> THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE ISSUE. FOLKS CAN'T MANEUVER IN THIS INTERSECTION. AND SO IF I AM UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU ARE SAYING WITH YOU PUSHING AS FAR AS YOU CAN AND NOW I AM AT THE MERCY OF TXDOT. WHAT IS OUR NEXT PATH? SOMEONE ELSE IS PAYING FOR IT. IT'S NEEDED. I HAVE TO IMAGINE THAT IT'S NOT TOUGH

[01:00:05]

LUCK. WHAT CAN WE DO? >> I WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT. THE INITIAL THOUGHT IS THAT IN THE LEGISLATURE THERE IS A METHOD THAT YOU WOULD CONTACT. I DON'T KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP

OF MY HEAD. >> CAN I FINISH WHAT I'M SAYING? THERE IS A TRANSPORTATION METHOD THAT WE

CAN POTENTIALLY TAP INTO. >> DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? THE TEXAS TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION WOULD BE THE AVENUE THAT WOULD HELP THE CITY IN RESOLVING THIS.

>> THE COUNTY. THE 3349 BRIDGE. THE COMMISSION REALLY PLAYED A HEAVY HAND IN HELPING MOVE THAT AND GET FUNDING. BUT THAT'S A HUGE PROJECT. THIS IS ALSO A BIG PROJECT FOR SAFETY REASONS.

MAYBE NOT ON THE SAME SCALE BUT.

>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE ONE OF OUR RECOURSE. THAT IS WHO TXDOT

REPORTS TWO. >> WHEN I GET BACK TO FOLLOW-UP ON THIS, WHEN I REACH OUT TO DOTTIE AND CECI YOU TO START THE CONVERSATION AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK AFTER YOU RESEARCH

THAT? >> I'LL HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU

QUICKLY. >> I WILL KEEP YOU TACKED ON THE EMAIL SO YOU ARE IN THE KNOW AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIND SOME SORT OF RESOURCE TO THIS ISSUE. AGAIN, WE ARE BACKED UP WITH THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE EAST SORT. THE GAS STATION ON THE WEST SIDE THAT IS TRYING TO TURN LEFT AS WELL. AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE FROM THE GLENWOOD AREA THAT WAY. SO I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD REALLY GIVE A LOT OF ATTENTION TO IF WE CAN. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORT AND I'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT.

>> WITH THIS BEING AT 95% COMPLETE, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF COST SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH OUR PROCEDURAL THINGS TO FIND SOMEBODY THAT IS GOING TO CONSTRUCT IT? HOW CAN

WE ROLL THE BALL ON OUR SIDE? >> OUR CONSULTANT HAS ALREADY PUT TOGETHER A COST BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW FROM OUR PROJECT.

WE KNOW HOW TO COMBINE THE TEXTILE PROJECT WITH OUR PROJECT AND WE RUN ALL THOSE NUMBERS SO WE KNOW WHAT THE NEW COST WILL BE. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE ENTIRE PACKAGE BEFORE WE CAN PUT IT OUT FOR BID. BECAUSE IT IS A TEXTILE ROAD SO IF ARE GOING TO PUT IT OUT FOR A BIT, THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE TXDOT APPROVAL. THEY HAVE TO REVIEW IT, SIGN OFF ON IT AND SAY YES IT'S GOOD. AND THEN ONCE WE GO THROUGH THEIR PROCESS AND OUR PROCESS, BECAUSE OUR PROCESS IS THEIR PROCESS. WE WILL SELECT A CONTRACTOR, THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE THEIR PERMISSION TO ACTUALLY NOTIFY TO PROCEED.

WE HAVE TO HAVE THEIR PERMISSION. SO ON OUR SIDE I AM DOING EVERYTHING I CAN. WE ARE WAITING ON TXDOT AND CONSULTANTS. AND I AM TRYING EVERY WAY I KNOW HOW TO SPEED TXDOT UP BUT IT'S A BIG MACHINE. AND I'M ONE PERSON.

>> THANK YOU. >> I BELIEVE SHE SITS ON THE

TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE. >> SHE IS ON TRANSPORTATION.

>> SO SHE WOULD BE ONE AND COUNSEL FOR THOMPSON. I WOULD REACH OUT TO HER AND SHE WILL KNOW WHO TO TALK TO LOCALLY.

AUSTIN OR FURTHER UP. >> WASN'T AT CONGRESSMAN CARTER THAT GOD IS-- GOT US MONEY FOR THIS AS WELL?

>> I DON'T THINK THAT HAS AN EXPIRATION DATE. WAS IT 2 MILLION OR SOMETHING? I THINK THERE IS AN EXPIRATION DATE ON THAT. BUT CONGRESSMAN CARTER WAS INVOLVED.

>> I WASN'T AWARE THERE WAS ANY OTHER. I THOUGHT ALL OF THE FUNDING WAS FROM THE 20 18TH BOND.

[01:05:04]

>> WAS THAT FOR 132 MAY BE? >> FOR THIS ONE. TO DO WITH THE

RAILROAD. >> OKAY.

>> SO TXDOT IS THE ISSUE. NOT THE RAILROAD?

>> YEAH. WELL. WE JUST NOTIFIED THE RAILROADS.

>> WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE WORKING ON IN THIS WAS FINALIZING THE GRANT WITH YOU PRR. AND WE COULDN'T FINALIZE THAT BECAUSE TXDOT WOULDN'T SIGN OFF ON THE PLANS. SO THAT KIND OF PUT THAT WHOLE THING ON HOLD AND THAT'S WHEN WE WENT BACK TO TXDOT AND SAID YOU ARE ADDING THIS AT THE LAST MINUTE. WE WANT YOU TO PAY FOR IT, HE PROMISED US THAT WE WOULD HAVE IT ALL BY AUGUST. AND HERE WE ARE IN MAY AND WE DON'T. THAT WAS AUGUST OF LAST YEAR. ANY

OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? >> THANKS.

>> 137 1660. THIS IS ONE THAT TXDOT IS REALLY NOT IN OUR WAY.

WE ARE JUST TRYING TO JUMP THROUGH ALL THE HOOPS.

REGARDLESS OF THAT, YOU CAN SEE THE SCHEDULE IS SLIDING TO THE RIGHT. WHICH I DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE BUT I DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE IT ALL.

>> DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY?

>> WE ARE WORKING ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AGREEMENT. WE ARE WORKING ON UTILITY COORDINATION AND ALL OF THAT NOW WELL WE WRAP UP DESIGN. DESIGN IS ABOUT 90% DONE. SO WE CAN TRY TO AVOID SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING. AND TXDOT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US, THEY JUST FINISHED THE REVIEW ON 90% PLAN SO WE ARE PUSHING OUR CONSULTANT SO WE CAN GET THIS OUT FOR BID. THE CAVEAT ON THIS ONE IS BECAUSE THIS ONE CONTINUES TO SLIDE TO THE RIGHT, I HAVE BEEN PUSHING ONE OF OUR OTHER CONSULTANTS ON A DIFFERENT PROJECT TO TRY TO PUSH THEIR PROJECT TO THE LEFT. SO THAT WE CAN STAGGER THEM AND IT DOESN'T BLOCK EVERYBODY IN THIS AREA FROM BEING ABLE TO. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? OKAY. THIS IS THE ONE WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. LAKESIDE ESTATE SIDEWALKS. PHASE TWO IS COMPLETE. PHASE THREE IS THE ONE WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET RIGHTS OF ENTRY. I BELIEVE THERE IS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THIS ONE LATER TONIGHT. TO TALK ABOUT WHAT TO DO ON THIS ONE. WE HAVE CHANGED ALL THE TIMELINES TO BE DETERMINED.

>> SO THE ISSUE AS I UNDERSTAND IT. WE ARE TRYING TO GET RIGHTS OF ENTRY TO GET ON PEOPLE'S PROPERTY IN ORDER TO WHEN WE HAD A SIDEWALK IT MIGHT NEED THEIR DRIVEWAY TO BE REBUILT, IT MAY BE A NUMBER OF THINGS. WE ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL GETTING THE RIGHTS-OF-WAY WE NEED TO FINISH THE PROJECT. IS THAT DECENT?

>> BASICALLY. THERE'S ABOUT 161, 162 PARCELS THAT ARE BEING TOUCHED BY THE PROJECT. OF THOSE, ABOUT 80 OF THEM WE NEED RIGHTS OF ENTRY TO BE ABLE TO GO ONTO PEOPLE'S PROPERTY FOR FIXING DRIVEWAYS, JUST CONSTRUCTION, SPILLOVER, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. OF THOSE WE HAVE HAD THREE HARD NOSE. WE HAVE GOTTEN LIKE 30 OKAYS AND THE OTHER 40 SOMETHING JUST WON'T RESPOND TO US. WE STARTED ASKING FOR THIS BACK IN AUGUST. WE REACHED OUT AGAIN IN FEBRUARY. WE HAVE KNOCKED ON DOORS. WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE HOA. WE HAVE CHANGED THE RIGHT OF ENTRY FORM BECAUSE THE FIRST DRAFT WE WERE TOLD SOUNDED TOO LEGALISTIC AND LIKE WE WEREN'T GOING TO FIX ANYTHING. SO WE REVISED IT.

WE GAVE POSTAGE-PAID ENVELOPES IN EVERYTHING SO THEY COULD JUST SIGN IT AND SEND IT RIGHT BACK TO US. WE JUST CAN'T GET PEOPLE TO GIVE US PERMISSION TO GO ON THEIR PROPERTY.

>> WE HAVE 3 MILLION BUDGETED FROM THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT.

>> WE HAVE ABOUT 3 MILLION. AND WE HAVE SPENT ABOUT 62.

[01:10:09]

>> WE JUST NEED TO DECIDE. I GUESS IT WOULD BE A LEGAL QUESTION. EMINENT DOMAIN THE RIGHT TO COME THROUGH THEIR AND PUT THE SIDEWALKS AND OR WE SAY IF YOU DON'T WANT THE SIDEWALKS, WE WILL GO SPEND IT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

IS THAT SAFE TO SAY? >> PRETTY MUCH.

>> WITH $3 MILLION FOR THE SIDEWALKS, IS IT FROM COMMUNITY OR ARE THESE BOND DOLLARS? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY ARE

BOND DOLLARS. >> IT'S FROM THE SERIES 22. NOT

FROM COMMUNITY. >> SO WHAT BOND IS IT?

>> THE 22 GEO. >> WHAT CAN WE SPEND THAT ON?

>> I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE EXACT WORDING.

>> THAT WOULD BE TIED TO THE 20 18TH ROAD BOND REALLY.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THIS IS ROAD MONEY WE CAN USE. WE CAN STOP HAVING 3 MILLION SITTING HERE WAITING FOR

PEOPLE TO SAY YES. >> CORRECT.

>> IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT STAFF HAS TOUCHED VIA NOTIFICATION KNOCKING ON THE DOOR ABOUT SIX TIMES?

>> I KNOW THAT INITIALLY WE SENT OUT ALL THE LETTERS IN AUGUST.

WE SENT OUT MORE LETTERS. WE SENT OUT DOORKNOCKING IN FEBRUARY. THAT IS SIX RIGHT THERE. WE REACHED OUT TO THE HOA. THEY REACHED SAID THEY WOULD PUT IT ON THEIR WEBSITE AND SEND IT TO ALL OF THEIR MEMBERS. AND WE DIDN'T DO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COUNTS AS A TOUCH POINT.

>> I'M WILLING TO TAKE IT TO THE STREETS AND GET THE MAYOR TO

COME WITH ME. >> IF YOU DON'T SIGN TO LETTUCE ON YOUR PROPERTY WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON. YOU WON'T GET SIDEWALKS. MAYBE THEY DON'T WANT SIDEWALKS. BUT I DON'T KNOW. I HAVEN'T SEEN COMMUNICATION. AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO TELL THE PEOPLE LOOK, WE HAVE $3 MILLION TIED UP AND JUST SITTING HERE WAITING. IF YOU DON'T WANT THEM, JUST PUT NO ON THE PIECE OF PAPER, SEND IT IN AND WE WILL MOVE ON ABOUT OUR WAY. I DON'T MIND MAKING A DECISION TO WHERE WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE COULD, WE GOT AN INTERSECTION AND WE GOT OTHER ROAD WORK WE CAN DO. THE PEOPLE IN 1660 HAVE BEEN WANTING SIDEWALKS FOR 30 YEARS. I'D LIKE TO GET IT OFF YOUR PLATE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET UP HERE EVERY TIME AND SAY NO PROGRESS.

>> I WOULD LIKE THAT TOO. I WOULD RATHER COME UP AND TELL YOU I AM DONE WITH EVERYTHING AND I'M GOING ON VACATION.

>> I'M DONE WITH EVERYTHING. I'M GOING ON VACATION. THE NEXT ONE IS 132 OVERPASS AT 79. WE WERE PROGRESSING ON THIS ONE AND THEN KIND OF PAUSED ON IT. WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE ICE. WE SHOULD HAVE THAT ANALYSIS BACK FROM GARVER IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO. ORIGINALLY IT WAS GOING TO BE EIGHT WEEKS. THEY HAVE NARROWED IT DOWN. LET ME JUST EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT.

INTERSECTION CONTROL EVALUATION. BASICALLY YOU START WITH THIS BIG LIST OF ALL THE DIFFERENT POSSIBLE CONTROLS THAT YOU CAN PUT AT THIS INTERSECTION AND YOU START PUTTING IN THE DATA YOU HAVE COLLECTED ABOUT THE INTERSECTION AND IT STARTS NARROWING DOWN THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT IS RECOMMENDED AND WHAT IS NOT. IT DOESN'T MAKE THE DECISION FOR YOU. IT JUST SAYS THIS IS A BAD IDEA. THIS IS AN OKAY IDEA. THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.

THINGS LIKE SAFETY, COST OF CONSTRUCTION, TRAFFIC VOLUME, VEHICLE CAPACITY RATIOS, LEVELS OF SURFACE, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. IT COMES UP WITH A TOTAL COST OF THOSE DIFFERENT INTERSECTION OPTIONS AND SAYS YOU GO, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE RECOMMENDED. THIS IS HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST IF YOU CHOOSE OPTION. AND THEN THAT IS KIND OF THE ICE EVALUATION. IT

[01:15:02]

GOES BACK TO TXDOT, THEY SAY IT'S GOOD OR CHANGE THIS, WHATEVER. THEN WE BRING IT BACK TO YOU GUYS. SO YOU CAN MAKE THE DETERMINATION. OF THESE FIVE OR WHATEVER IT ENDS UP BEING, WE LIKE THIS ONE, THEN WE GO TALK ABOUT IT AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THEM ON BOARD. AND ONCE WE GET THEM ON BOARD IT WILL BE BACK TO I GUESS SQUARE ONE OF ACTUALLY DOING THE FULL DESIGN ALL OVER AGAIN AND MOVING FROM THERE. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THIS ONE AT THAT. WE ARE ON SCHEDULE. WE ARE GOING TO WRAP THIS ONE UP THIS MONTH. IF I WAS GIVING THIS PRESENTATION IN THREE WEEKS,

WE'D BE DONE. >> NO APPLAUSE ON THAT ONE? COME

ON. >> I NEEDED TO HER.

>> BEFORE IT OPENS UP. >> IS PROBABLY BLOCKED OFF RIGHT NOW. LIVE OAK. WE ARE PUSHING, PUSHING, PUSHING. SLIDING THIS ONE TO THE RIGHT A LITTLE BIT. IT IS GOING TO BE BIDDING TOWARD THE END OF THE YEAR. CONSTRUCTION STARTING NEXT YEAR AND WRAPPING UP CONSTRUCTION IN EARLY '27.

>> GO BACK. AT MOST, THEY ARE CHANGING THE PLAN.

>> WE ARE NOW BASICALLY GOT ENCORE ALMOST ONBOARD. NOW IT IS COMMUNICATION WITH ALL THE TELECOM COMPANIES THAT WE GOT TO GET THEM ALL TO AGREE TO BASICALLY FORCING THEM ALL TO GO INTO A SHARED TRENCH. AND BASICALLY TELLING THEM YOU ARE GOING TO BE IN CONDUIT ONE, THEY ALL HAVE THEIR OWN REQUIREMENTS.

LIKE I DON'T WANT A THREE INCH, I WANT A FOUR INCH. THAT KIND OF STUFF. WORKING OUT THOSE DETAILS. AND THEN THE FINAL THING WITH ENCORE WILL BE ONCE THEY GET THEIR FINAL DESIGN, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME TRANSFORMER PADS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. WE WILL HAVE TO GO GET SOME EASEMENTS FROM SOME OF THE LAND OWNERS ON THE STRETCH OF ROAD TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT ON THEIR PROPERTY. SO THAT IS WHY WE ARE SLIDING THIS TO THE

RIGHT. >> THE TRENCH IS NO LONGER IN

THE STREET. >> WE MOVED IT OUT OF THE STREET. IT WAS GOING TO BE A HUGE CROSSED INCREASE.

>> WAS THIS DELAY BECAUSE WE ARE BURYING UTILITIES?

>> YES. BECAUSE WE ARE DOING SPECTRUM AND FIBER LINK AND ALL THOSE PEOPLE. ED SCHMIDT. THE SIDEWALK IS SLIDING A LITTLE BIT TO THE RIGHT BUT IT IS ON THE CONSENT. WE ARE SPLITTING THE SIDEWALK AND INTERSECTION. THAT PART. IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE REDLINE. THIS WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE A REDLINE AND THEN IT WAS LIKE THIS JUST FOCUS ON THE SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH AND THE INTERSECTION ON THE NORTH. IF I BREAK THEM UP I CAN DO ONE FASTER THAN THE OTHER. SO THAT'S WHY YOU ARE SEEING IT BROKE APART LIKE THIS. SIDEWALK SHOULD BE GOING OUT FOR BID WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO. AND THEN THE INTERSECTION IS NOT TOO

FAR AFTER THAT. >> HENRY FARMS AND CONSTRUCTION WRAPPING UP THIS MONTH. THEY'VE GOT THE INTERSECTION OPEN NOW.

WE HAVE BEEN PUSHING THEM DAILY TO TRY TO SPEED UP. WE HAVE NOTIFIED THEM THAT THEY ARE IN LIQUIDATED DAMAGES SITUATION.

TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SPEED THEM UP AND PUSH THEM ALONG. WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE CONSTRUCTION OUT THERE. THE CITY MANAGER HAS GONE OUT THERE ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS. I'VE GONE OUT THERE ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS. JUST SAYING HEY, WHY IS THIS NOT DONE? ESSENTIALLY BABYSITTING THE CONTRACTOR.

>> WHAT ARE THEY SAYING IS THE ISSUE? THIS IS FOR THE MOST PART ABOVEGROUND WORK. PROJECTS LIKE THIS GET DONE IN A MONTH. THEY STARTED LIKE NOVEMBER. THE FIRST WAS FEBRUARY. THEN IT GOT MOVED TO APRIL 18TH AND APRIL 24TH. THEY GOT TIRED OF CHANGING THE

[01:20:08]

DATE. >> WE BID THIS ONE OUT AT THE END OF THE YEAR. AND WE AWARDED IT IN NOVEMBER AND THEY ASKED US FOR HOLIDAY TIME TO DELAY STARTING CONSTRUCTION. SO WE SAID START AFTER THE NEW YEAR. THAT'S WHEN THE ORIGINAL SIGNS WENT UP. AND WE SAID YOU CAN'T PUT SIGNS UP THERE WITHOUT GIVING US YOUR TRAFFIC CONTROL PLANS. WE CHANGED THAT, THEY PUT THE SIGNS OUT THERE, AND THEN THERE WERE ISSUES WITH , THEY WEREN'T SURE HOW TO MOVE IT. SO THE CONTRACT CALLED FOR THEM TO COME OUT WITH A CRANE. BUT WE CAN'T GET A CRANE SO THEY ENDED UP TRYING TO MOVE IT WITH FORKLIFTS. SO THAT DELAYED THEM.

ONCE THEY GOT GOING, WE THOUGHT THINGS ARE MOVING WELL. WE JUST FOUND OUT THAT THE REASONING FOR WHY IT WAS DELAYED IS RIGHT THERE ON THE EASTERN LEG THERE IS SOME WATER VALVES, SOME ELECTRICAL LINES GOING IN AS WELL AS THE CONCRETE AND PEDESTRIAN RAMPS. AND SO THEIR STORY IS THAT THE ELECTRICAL BOXES, THE WATER VALVES AND A.D.A. RAMPS WERE ALL IN THE SAME SPOT. AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THAT. TALK TO THE DESIGN ENGINEER AND FIGURE IT OUT. FIGURE THIS THING OUT.

CHANGE IT. LET'S GO. SO I PUSHED A LOT OF THAT VERY QUICKLY THROUGH THERE. I DIDN'T WAIT FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. I CONTACTED THE ENGINEER AND SAID THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE TELLING ME. HE GOT THEM AN ANSWER. JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. I THINK THAT'S WHEN THEY STARTED REALLY MOVING FORWARD AGAIN. CONCRETE WAS POURED. REALLY IT'S JUST THAT CONTRACTORS. WE'VE GOT PHOTOS. THEY ARE WORKING MONDAY THROUGH

FRIDAY 8:00 TO 5:00. >> THEY ARE NOW. I DON'T LIVE BY THIS. BUT THESE GUYS CUT A HOLE IN THE GROUND AND NO ONE HAS BEEN THERE. I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR A CONTRACTOR.

>> THAT'S WHY I NOTIFIED. >> WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE CONTRACTOR? SO THAT I CAN ASK YOU WHY WE ARE PROPOSING TO USE THE SAME PEOPLE. THEY PROBABLY GOT SOME OTHER PLACE THAT IS 5000 A DAY. THEY TAKE CARE THE BIGGER ISSUE AND FIVE GRAND A

DAY. >> I HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS AND CONTRACTORS THAT I DEAL WITH.

>> THIS ONE HAS BEEN BID OUT. WE HAVE A CONSTRUCTION MEETING NEXT WEEK. SO YOU SHOULD SEE THEM MOBILIZING AND START GETTING THIS ONE IN CONSTRUCTION. EXCHANGE AT LIMBER. TEMPORARY IS ALREADY UP YOU CAN SEE STUFF IN THE GROUND FOR THE PERMANENT SOLUTION. YOU WILL SEE THEM CUTTING THE TURN LANE AND IS DOING ALL OF THAT AND OF STUFF. THEY'VE BEEN TOLD THEY HAVE TO BE DONE BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS. SO FROM THE END OF MAY TO BEGINNING OF AUGUST THEY WILL GET THAT TURN LANE CUT IN THEIR AND

FINISH UP THAT >> HOW MUCH MONEY GETS SPENT FOR

A TEMPORARY SIGNAL? >> I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE CHANGE ORDERS. I KNOW IT WAS A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WE SPENT ON TEMPORARY CABLES AND MOST OF THE SIGNALS WE ARE GOING TO REUSE. WE CAN'T USE ALL OF THEM BECAUSE I THINK THE NEW SIGNAL HAD HAS FOUR INSTEAD OF THREE BULBS. BUT IT'S IN THE RANGE OF A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND THAT WE SPENT

TO GET THIS UP. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO THROW A SIGNAL UP FOR $200,000 AND THEN THROW MOST OF IT AWAY AND REDO THE WHOLE THING. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE PLAN OUGHT TO BE THEY GET IT GOING, WE FIGURED OUT. THAT'S $200,000 AND BEGIN GIVING YOU SOME OF IT. IT'S CRAZY HOW

QUICKLY WE SPEND MONEY. >> WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR DOING

THE TEMPORARY? >> IT WAS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO HURRY UP AND GET SOMETHING UP. AND WE WERE TRYING TO GET IT UP WHILE SCHOOL WAS STILL IN SESSION WITHOUT IMPACTING THE

[01:25:02]

TRAFFIC TOO MUCH. SO THAT'S WHY WE SPED IT UP AND DID A TEMPORARY SIGNAL NOW AND THEN THIS SUMMER WE WILL DO THE PERMANENT SOLUTION. EXCHANGE BOULEVARD. WE JUST REVIEWED 60% SO THEY ARE WORKING TOWARD 90% DESIGN. SAME THING. I HAVE TOLD THIS CONSULTANT THAT HE NEEDS TO BE BIDDING THIS THIS MONTH SO THAT WE CAN START CONSTRUCTION AS SOON AS SCHOOL LETS OUT. AND THAT IT HAS TO BE DONE BY THE TIME SCHOOL STARTS. THIS ISN'T A HEAVILY TRAVELED ROAD BUT STILL A PRETTY HEAVILY TRAVELED INTERSECTION SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT IS NOT BLOCKED OFF DURING A SCHOOL RUSH HOUR AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO TRYING TO GET HIM TO START BASICALLY MEMORIAL DAY AND FINISH BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS IN AUGUST.

>> THAT ROAD. >> NOT THE ROAD. THE

INTERSECTION. >> THE ROUNDABOUT.

>> YES. JUST THE ROUNDABOUT. ORIGINALLY IT WAS GOING TO BE GOING TO HOLLAND. NOW WE ARE JUST FOCUSING ON THE

INTERSECTION. >> THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE TELLING

ME. >> THEY ALREADY GOT THE RIGHT

AWAY. >> WE'VE GOT RIGHT-OF-WAY ON THREE OF THE FOUR CORNERS. I'M WORKING WITH THE POST OFFICE PEOPLE TO GET THE LAST SECTION.

>> THAT'LL BE COOL IF YOU GET THAT DONE.

>> I AM TRYING TO PUSH THE CONSULTANTS TO SHIFT TO THE LEFT SO THAT IS WHY YOU SEE WE ARE CERTAIN TO SHIFT DATES. TRYING TO GET THEM SO THAT THEY CAN BE THROUGH DESIGN AND DONE WITH CONSTRUCTION BEFORE THE 137 CONSTRUCTION STARTS. BECAUSE THAT ONE CONTINUES TO SLIDE TO THE RIGHT. I CAN SLIDE THIS ONE FURTHER TO THE LEFT AND WE CAN GET THIS BUILT SO WHEN 137 BECOMES A CONSTRUCTION ZONE THEN IF PEOPLE NEED IT THEY WILL HAVE A PAVED ROAD AT THE BACK OF THE SCHOOLS TO GET OUT OF THAT AREA.

I KNOW IT WON'T FIX EVERYTHING BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A LOT OF OUTSIDE TRAFFIC BUT IT WILL REDUCE CONGESTION. 199 RECONSTRUCTION. 90% PLANS ARE DONE. WE ARE WORKING THROUGH RIGHT AWAY WE JUST GOT I THINK THE LAST PARCEL WE GOT RIGHT OF ENTRY SO WE CAN FINISH THE SURVEY AND UTILITIES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO I THINK WE ARE GENERALLY GOOD. THERE IS NO TIMELINE ON BIDDING OR CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS ONE OF THE PROJECT YOU GUYS SAID IT IT DESIGNED, GET IT READY TO GO AND PUT ON THE SHELF. ONCE WE ARE READY TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON IT, WE WILL PULL THE TRIGGER ON IT. 3349. THIS IS THE OVERPASS. THEY ARE DESIGNING THIS ONE. AND WE ARE APPROACHING THEM TO. I HEARD FROM THEM TODAY. THEY ARE THINKING THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HIT THE CONSTRUCTION START OF QUARTER ONE IN '26 SO EVERYTHING WILL SHIFT TO THE RIGHT ONE QUARTER MAY BE.

THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON THAT ONE. 132, THIS ONE IS GOING ON SCHEDULE ON TIME. BUT THIS ONE IS PRETTY EASY BECAUSE ALMOST ALL OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS ALREADY THERE. IT'S REALLY JUST A GREENFIELD SITE. THEY ARE WORKING ON MOSTLY DOING THE STORM DRAINAGE ANALYSIS SO THAT WE CAN GET IT ALL BUTTONED UP BEFORE WE KICK IT OVER TO CONSTRUCTION. LIMBER LOOP. THIS ONE IS IN DESIGN. ON SCHEDULE, MOVING RIGHT ALONG. THIS IS BETWEEN INNOVATION AND ED SCHMIDT. THEN YOU HAVE THE LOOP FROM ED SCHMIDT. IT SAYS TO 1660 BUT IT'S NOT ALL THE WAY TO 1660 BECAUSE WE ARE DOING PART OF THAT RIGHT NOW. SO BASICALLY THIS PROJECT GOES FROM ED SCHMIDT TO WHERE THE CURRENT 1660 PROJECT STOPS. SO RIGHT UP TO WHERE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.

>> ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO RELOCATE ALONG THAT STRETCH? DO

YOU KNOW? >> IT'S POSSIBLE. WE DON'T HAVE DESIGN SO I CAN'T TELL YOU ALL THE UTILITY CONFLICTS.

[01:30:02]

>> WE COMMUNICATED BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE PUTTING FIBER RIGHT WHERE THE ROAD IS GOING TO BE AND IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE WORKED TOGETHER AND YOU GUYS ARE RUNNING FIBER DOWN. 80 FEET OF THE CENTER LINE SO WE DON'T TO D TO PUT THE LINE UNDERGROUND. AND TO MOVE THE LINE. SAME WITH THE SIDEWALKS. FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO. EVERYTHING SEEMS LIKE WHEN I WAS BEING PUT IN IT WAS BEING PUT IN A WAY THERE IS NO ROOM FOR WIDENING.

>> SO YOU'RE RIGHT. WHEN SIDEWALKS AND EVERY THING WERE DONE. BUT IT WAS DONE BASED ON FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO. IN 2018 YOU HAD A MOBILITY PLAN THAT SHOWED THIS BEING A MAJOR ROADWAY. SO I THINK SOME OF THE SIDEWALKS PREDATED THAT WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE SO CLOSE TO THE WAR-- ROAD. ANYTHING NOW THEY HAVE TO MOVE IT OUT BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO NEED THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. BUT THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE. EVERYONE WAS TIED

TO WHAT WAS THERE. >> A LOT OF THIS ISN'T YOU. THE PART THAT ISN'T YOU GO TO YOUR CONSULTANTS THAT WE APPROVED THE HIRE. SO WE SHOULD JUST SAY WE ARE NOT GOING TO USE THEM ANYMORE. I THINK THE NUMBER ONE THING EVERYBODY IS HAMMERING IS WE GOT THE WHOLE CITY AND DESIGN AND A SMALL PORTION OF CONSTRUCTION. AT LEAST WE WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT COMPLAINT.

>> TYPICALLY THAT IS KIND OF THE HIGHLIGHTS. IF YOU HAVE ANY

SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. >> I SPENT SOME TIME OUT HERE BUT ANY BUDDY WORKING DO THEY WORK? I HAVE HEARD SOME PEOPLE WALK AROUND. ARE THEY ON SCHEDULE? IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE

DONE MY MEMORIAL DAY. >> IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE BY MEMORIAL DAY. WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CONTRACTOR SO TYPICAL CONTRACTOR STUFF. HE HIRED US TO COME IN AND DO CONCRETE WORK. I JUST HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE CONSTRUCTION TEAM. HE IS FIRING MOST OF HIS SUBS AND HIRING NEW ONES BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT SHOWING UP OR SHOWING UP AND WORKING FOR AN HOUR AND SAYING THEY WERE TOO HOT AND LEAVING.

HE IS TELLING US ONCE HE GETS THE NEW SUBS HE WILL MEET THE DEADLINES HE HAS. I BASICALLY TOLD HIM LOOK, NOTHING IS HAPPENING. YOU ARE LITERALLY RIGHT OUTSIDE MY OFFICE. AND EVERY TIME HE SENDS ME A PICTURE, I LITERALLY GO DOWNSTAIRS AND WALK THROUGH THE SITE AND LOOK AT WHAT HE JUST SENT ME. WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST COME UPSTAIRS AND TALK TO ME? HE KNOWS I'M WATCHING. HE KNOWS THAT I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE HIM ANY BREAKS. SO HE UNDERSTANDS HE IS UNDER THE GUN TO GET THIS FINISHED. EVERY CONTRACT WE DO HAVE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES.

>> WE USE THE INDUSTRY STANDARD? OR ABOVE THE INDUSTRY STANDARD?

>> WHEN YOU DO LIQUIDATED DAMAGES, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHEN YOU DO LIQUIDATED DAMAGES IT'S THAT TYPICALLY IT IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IS GOING TO COST YOU TO CONTINUE THE PROJECT SO YOU CAN'T JUST SAY THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT, I'M GOING TO CHARGE YOU $10,000 A DAY BECAUSE I WANT TO. IT'S HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST ME FIRST OUT-- FOR STAFF TIME, PROJECT MANAGEMENT, ALTHOUGH THINGS. IF IT'S GOING TO COST ME AN EXTRA $1000 A DAY, THAT IS ALL I AM LEGALLY ALLOWED TO CHARGE YOU. IS THERE SOMETHING I'M MISSING?

>> USUALLY LIQUIDATED DAMAGES ARE SPECIFIED IN THE CONTRACT.

IF NOT IT WOULD BE WHATEVER DAMAGES YOU CLAIM AS A RESULT OF

THEIR BREACH OF CONTRACT. >> SO YOU CAN'T PUT HIGHER

AMOUNTS. >> WHATEVER OUR ACTUAL DAMAGES.

[01:35:03]

>> IF IT IS SOMETHING LIKE WATER LINES WERE NOW YOU HAVE TO BUY WATER AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF AND COSTING MORE MONEY AND IMPACTING PEOPLE. THEN I THINK YOU CAN GO ABOVE AND BEYOND. BUT IF IT IS JUST LIKE A SIDEWALK OR MEMORIAL, NOT THAT I AM MINIMIZING EITHER ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS. BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO DRAMATICALLY HURT THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR CITIZENS. IF THOSE THINGS ARE NOT FINISHED ON TIME. MY UNDERSTANDING, YOU CAN REALLY ONLY CHARGE THEM WHAT YOU ACTUAL DAMAGES ARE WHICH IS THE ACTUAL COST YOU INCURRED TO CONTINUE THAT PROJECT LONGER THAN YOU

THOUGHT. >> THERE'S GOT TO BE AWAY. THAT SAYS THIS IS BEHIND SCHEDULE BECAUSE OF SUCH AND SUCH COMPANY. I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE JUST LIKE BIG DEAL.

PEOPLE JUST WANT TO SEE SOMETHING DONE. PEOPLE JUST WANT TO SEE HOT ASPHALT HIT THE GROUND. WHAT THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE IS CONES EVERYWHERE AND NO ONE WORKING. WHAT IS GOING ON? OR THIS GUY WANTED TO TAKE DECEMBER OFF AND IT'S LIKE NOBODY ELSE GET TO TAKE THE TIME OFF AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO MISS MEMORIAL DAY. IT'S NOT YOU. BUT SOMETHING MAYBE WE CAN DO TO

GIVE YOU MORE TEETH. >> THANKS MATT.

[10.1. Public Hearing relating to the readoption of Ordinance No. O-2025-015 electing to readopt Article 20.04 of the City of Hutto Code of Ordinances regarding Reinvestment Zones and Tax Abatement Agreements, as amended, herein, authorizing the participating of Tax Abatement Agreements and establishing guidelines and criteria governing tax abatement projects to encourage economic development in the City of Hutto. (Legal) ]

>> THANK YOU. >> NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 10.1.

PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025/015. ADOPTING TO THE CITY OF HUTTO REGARDING REINVESTMENT ZONE AND TAX AGREEMENTS AS AMENDED HEREIN. AUTHORIZING THE PARTICIPATING OF TAX ABATEMENT AGREEMENTS AND ESTABLISHING GUIDELINES AND CRITERIA GOVERNING TAX ABATEMENT PROJECTS TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF HUTTO. WE JUST HAVE TO OPEN UP THE HEARING. WE OPEN UP THE HEARING AT 8:37. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK REGARDING THIS?

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON. COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR.

COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. MAYOR GORDON. COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON.

COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD. MAYOR SNYDER.

[11. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ]

>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. NEXT WE HAVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 11

ONE, 11.2, 11.3, 11.4 AND 11.5. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO

APPROVE THE REST. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? PORTERFIELD. ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. MAYOR SNYDER. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON.

[11.1 Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-112 authorizing the City Manager to execute amendment No. 2 to the Individual Project Order (IPO) with WSB LLC for design services in the amount of $128,775 for the Ed Schmidt Improvements project. (T-10-2023) (Matt Rector) ]

COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD. IS A MEMBER KOLAR.

>> PASSES 7-0. 11.1. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO TO THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECT ORDER IPO WITH WSB LLC FOR DESIGN SERVICES IN THE AMOUNT OF 128,000 FOR THE ED SCHMIDT IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT. MATT, MY QUESTION ON THIS. I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE ARE PAYING FOR. ALMOST SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD ALL THE WAY UP TO THE AVENUE. THERE'S A LITTLE GAP ON EACH SIDE. AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, THERE'S

[01:40:04]

HALF A MILLION DOLLARS AND DESIGN COSTS. WHAT EXACTLY ARE THEY DESIGNING? THEY ARE NOT DESIGNING ALL THE NEW SIDEWALKS.

>> THERE IS NO SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE LEADING UP TO. I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE GOING FROM 79 UP TO THE CHURCH. THE WHOLE POINT OF PUTTING THE SIDEWALK IN THERE WAS THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT LEAVING THE HIGH SCHOOL AND WALKING UP TO DAIRY QUEEN AND CHICK-FIL-A IN THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. THERE IS NOWHERE FOR THEM TO WALK EXCEPT THE DEEP DITCH OR THE SHOULDER OF ED

SCHMIDT. >> ZOOM IN ON THE AERIAL. THERE ARE SIDEWALKS. PROBABLY TWO THIRDS OF THAT AREA HAS SIDEWALKS. DAIRY QUEEN, CHICK-FIL-A, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL IT IS TO THE AVENUE AND FROM THE POND AND SOUTH IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS AN AREA THERE. ON THE WEST SIDE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT SIDEWALKS. UNLIKE, THERE ARE SIDEWALKS, THE HOTEL PUT THEM IN, THE DAY CARE PUT THEM IN, THERE ARE LITERALLY SIDEWALKS ALMOST UP UNTIL A SECTION BY WALGREENS.

>> JUST FROM 79 UP THE WALGREENS AND WE TIE INTO THEIR SIDEWALKS.

>> HOW DO THESE GUYS NEED MORE MONEY TO DESIGN A SIDEWALK? I DON'T WANT A GUY TO REDESIGN A SIDEWALK THAT IS ALREADY IN AND

PAY SOMEBODY TO TEAR IT UP. >> I CAN TELL YOU THAT A LOT OF YOUR SIDEWALK COSTS ARE GOING TO BE THE DRAINAGE ISSUES. IF YOU DRIVE ED SCHMIDT AND LOOK AT THE DITCHES, THEY ARE CONCRETE CHANNELS. AND SO WE ARE HAVING TO PUT IN SOME COVERTS AND REDO DRAINAGE TO BE ABLE TO GET THE SIDEWALKS IN THERE AND BE ABLE TO HANDLE RUNOFF. IN FACT, ANGIE FROM WSB IS HERE. CAN YOU PULL

UP A GOOGLE MAP? >> WHEN WE HAD THIS ITEM BEFORE US, I DON'T REMEMBER THERE BEING SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.

WE PICKED ONE SIDE. MAYBE WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND INVESTIGATE THE MINUTES OF THAT MEETING. I BELIEVE IT WAS GOING TO BE THE EAST SIDE. WE DIDN'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE TO CROSS TO THE OTHER SIDE. AND ALL THE RESTAURANTS ARE ACROSS.

>> THERE IS A SIDEWALK THAT PICKS UP AT CHICK-FIL-A. IT GOES ACROSS TO DAIRY QUEEN. THAT IS A GOOFY INTERSECTION BUT DOESN'T

EXACTLY MATCH UP. >> THERE IS A GAP ON THE WEST

SIDE AS WELL. >> WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE EAST. ARE YOU DESIGNING ALL THAT SIDEWALK OR JUST FROM THE

CHICK-FIL-A. >> WE ARE NOT TAKING OUT ANY

EXISTING SIDEWALK. >> I SAID FOR THE LITTLE BIT OF SIDEWALK, I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT.

>> IS GOING TO BE TO THE CHURCH, ON THE LEFT SIDE IT WOULD BE UP

TO HENRY FARMS. >> THE SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE, IS IT GOING TO GO BEHIND THOSE BUSINESSES INSTEAD OF A

LONG ED SCHMIDT? >> WE ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF

[01:45:06]

THE DRAINAGE. >> SOMETIMES YOU BUY A BUILDING AND YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE USE, SOMEBODY SAYS THAT HIS OLD CODE, YOU HAVE TO BRING IT UP TO CODE. TEARING DOWN PART OF THE BANK.

ARE THEY NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR BRINGING THE PROPERTY UP TO TODAY'S CODES AND PUTTING IN THE SIDEWALK? OR ARE THEY BASICALLY GOING TO REDO EVERYTHING. THE CITY SAYS DON'T FORGET, YOU HAVE TO PUT A SIDEWALK. WOULDN'T THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE HOOK FOR ALL OF THAT?

>> I WASN'T AWARE THAT THEY WERE DOING A PROJECT. BUT I WOULD THINK IF THEY ARE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS THEN YES THEY WOULD NEED TO BRING THEIR SITE TO THE CURRENT CODE WHICH WOULD REQUIRE

SIDEWALKS. >> IF YOU DESIGN IT, THEY GET TO BUILD IT. THEY ARE TEARING DOWN THE, I THINK THEY ALREADY MOVED INTO THAT BUILDING AND TEARING DOWN THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANES TO EXTEND THE BUILDING. THE WHOLE TIME, I'M THINKING THIS IS GREAT BECAUSE WE GOT MORE HOSPITAL SERVICES FOR THE

PEOPLE. >> IF IT WAS JUST BUILDING STUFF, BUT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES I CAN TOUCH BASE WITH THEM IN FEE WHAT ALL IS HAPPENING THERE. AT LEAST .

>> WE ARE TIGHT ON CASH. WE COULD USE THAT MONEY. SO WE ARE JUST DOING THE GAPS, NOT ANYTHING ELSE. IS THAT AN A.D.A.

ISSUE WITH SIDEWALKS? I REMEMBER GOING THROUGH TRAINING AND SUPPOSEDLY THE TRUNCATED DOMES YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT.

YOU WOULDN'T KNOW WHERE TO HIT IT. BECAUSE IT IS OFF A COUPLE

FEET. IS THAT A NORMAL ISSUE? >> WE WILL TAKE IT I LOOK AT IT.

OBVIOUSLY SHE KNOWS THAT I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE WE ARE IN

A.D.A. COMPLIANCE. >> IF WE HAVE TO REDO ANY OF THE

SIDEWALK. >> THANKS. GLAD YOU ARE HERE.

>> I DIDN'T WANT TO OVERSTEP. THANK YOU.

>> CAN WE BRING THIS ONE BACK? >> THIS IS JUST FOR THE DIVINE SERVICES-- DESIGN SERVICES. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER.

>> I MENTIONED IT DURING MY PRESENTATION, THIS IS THE ONE WE ARE BREAKING THE PROJECT INTO TWO. THEY ARE ON THE HOOK FOR THE DESIGNING THE INTERSECTION ON THE NORTH AT SCHMIDT AND LIMMER AND THE SIDEWALK. TO TRY TO MOVE ONE FASTER THAN THE OTHER, WE ARE SEPARATING THEM OUT. SO THEY ARE GOING TO BE DOUBLE DUTY. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT PACKAGES FOR DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS TO MANAGE, DIFFERENT ALL THAT KIND OF

STUFF. >> AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE AND UNDER BUDGET.

>> I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE NUMBER ARE 2025 112 AS

PRESENTED. >> SECOND.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON. COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. MAYOR SNYDER. COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON.

COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD.

[11.2 Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-113 authorizing the City Manager to execute an Individual Project Order (IPO) with Clark Condon Associates, Inc. in the amount of $23,150.00 for the Pickleball Courts project. (CIP P18-2024) (Matt Rector) ]

>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. ITEM 11.2 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION ARE 2025 113 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE INDIVIDUAL PROJECT ORDER IPO WITH CLARK CONDON ASSOCIATES IN THE AMOUNT OF $23,150 FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURT PROJECT. I'M GOING TO TRY TO SUMMARIZE THIS. IT SOUNDS LIKE

[01:50:01]

WE WERE GOING TO DO THIS AT CREEKSIDE PARK. THAT DIDN'T WORK AND WE TRIED TO MOVE IT. THAT DIDN'T WORK EITHER.

>> OKAY. THIS 21,000 IS BECAUSE.

>> IS BECAUSE WE HELD OFF ON DOING SURVEY AND GEOTECH UNTIL HE HAD A LOCATION THAT WE THOUGHT WAS VIABLE. SO NOW WE ARE ADDING THE SURVEY SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SURVEY EVERYTHING OUT AND GET IT DONE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

>> SO HOW MUCH HAVE WE SPENT BY TRYING TO DO ONE VERSUS THE

OTHER? >> THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING FOR THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. PLANNING OUT WHERE IT WOULD FIT, WHAT THE AMENITIES NEED TO BE, HOW CLOSE IT IS TO RESIDENCES, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO RESPONSE. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE DONE SO FAR.

SO WE HAVEN'T SPENT ANYTHING YET.

>> WHY IS THERE A CHANGE ORDER?

>> NOW THAT WE HAVE A LOCATION, NOW WE ARE ADDING SURVEY AND

GEOTECH. >> SO THE CONCERN I HAVE IS, WE PICK A PLACE FOR A PICKLEBALL COURT. THIS ISN'T ON YOU, HOWEVER WE PICK THE PLACE TO PUT THE PICKLEBALL COURT I WOULD THINK BEFORE WE START PICKING CONSULTANTS AND DOING A DOLLAR WE HAVE ALREADY FIGURED OUT AT LEAST WITH GOOGLE EARTH ARE WE LOOSE ENOUGH TO RESIDENCES? IT'S GOING AT CREEKSIDE PARK, WE START SPENDING MONEY, THEN WE GO THAT IS TO CLOSE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GET MORE TO WHERE ALL THOSE ARE VETTED BEFORE THEY GO TO CITY COUNCIL. BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF TIMES WE ARE VOTING ON THINGS AND THEN THEY GET ADJUSTED LATER ON. THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK OUT. THEN WE MOVED TO THE SOUTH. SOMETIMES I DON'T REALLY THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. WHICH IS WHY I FREQUENTLY VOTE NO. I'D RATHER VOTE NO AND KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHICH MAY BE NOTHING. I WANT TO EXACTLY LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE. OR A REALLY GOOD REASON WHY NOT. THIS ONE I FEEL LIKE THE WHY NOT IS SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE CITY.

LUCKILY IT WAS CAUGHT BEFORE WE APPROVED IT OR REALLY GOT INTO WORK BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET TO A POINT.

>> CLARIFICATION QUESTION. MAYBE MY UNDERSTANDING IS NOT CORRECT ON THIS. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THIS $23,000 WOULD'VE HAD TO BE SPENT ANYWAY. EITHER BEING SPENT HERE OR IN CREEKSIDE. IT'S NOT THAT THIS IS ADDITIONAL $23,000 BECAUSE OF THE MOVE. IT IS JUST

NOW IT'S TIME TO DO THE WORK. >> WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND IT REGARDLESS. IT'S JUST THAT WE HELD OFF. YOU DO SURVEY AND GEOTECH BECAUSE YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE BUILDING

>> LET'S SAY WE DIDN'T LEAVE THE LOCATION .

>> YOU WOULD'VE STILL SPENT THIS MONEY.

>> WE ARE NOT ADDING MORE MONEY BECAUSE WE CHANGED THE LOCATION.

>> NO. WE ARE ADDING MORE MONEY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS

ORIGINALLY. >> ARE THE SOCCER FIELDS GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THIS? IS LAND GOING TO BE TAKEN AWAY?

>> NO. JEFF HAS WORKED WITH THE CONSULTANT TO THE SPOT THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE SOCCER FIELDS. OUTSIDE OF THE CELL TOWER THAT THEY WORKED ON. IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE PARKING. THEY HAVE FOUND A LOCATION OVER THERE THAT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE SOCCER FIELDS BUT NOT IMPACTING ANY OF THE STUFF ALREADY THERE.

>> IS THAT CITY LAND OR RIVERWALK?

>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS CITY LAND BUT DON'T HOLD ME TO THAT. I HAVEN'T DONE A DEEP DIVE TO MAKE SURE.

>> THE SOCCER FIELDS WERE GIVEN TO THE CITY A COUPLE YEARS BACK.

>> AND ALSO, YOU PROBABLY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT WAS THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD PART OF THIS CONVERSATION AS TO THE LOCATION OF THE PICKLEBALL COURTS?

>> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

>> IT IS CITY. >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

[01:55:02]

BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S HIS ISSUE ISN'T THAT WE ARE MOVING

IT, IT'S THAT . >> I DON'T KNOW IF THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER KNOWS THE PROCESS.

>> I BELIEVE THAT THE WAY THIS ONE WORKED OUT, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. BUT THE CREEKSIDE LOCATION WAS PART OF THE PLAN. THEN WHEN THIS CONSULTANT WHICH WAS NOT THE CONSULTANT. THEY TOOK OVER AND WAS ASSIGNED THE PROJECT. THEY WERE LIKE THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA, AND HERE'S WHY. THEN JEFF SAID, WHAT IF WE MOVE IT OVER HERE? AND THEY SAID, YOU HAVE SIMILAR BUT DIFFERENT ISSUES. AND SO THAT IS NOT A GOOD ANSWER EITHER. SO I DON'T KNOW IF HE TOOK EACH OF THOSE LOCATIONS TO THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD. BUT THAT'S HOW THIS PLAYED OUT. HE WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SHIFT IT AROUND. BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT THE PRIORITY WAS TO GET PICKLEBALL AND JUST TRYING TO

FIND THE RIGHT SPOT. >> THE PARKS BOARD IS AWARE OF IT. HE SAID THEY DID APPROVE THE LOCATION.

>> THANK YOU. >> I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE R-2025-113 AS PRESENTED.

>> I WILL SECOND THAT. >> SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR.

COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. MAYOR SNYDER. COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON.

COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON.

>> PASSES 7-0. >> THANKS, MATT. CONSIDERATION

[12.1 Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-119 repealing Resolution R-18-02-15-10E approving the City of Hutto Policy for Donation, Grants, Sponsorships and Fundraising, dated February 15, 2018, repealing Resolution R-2023-252 approving the City of Hutto Sponsorship Policy dated October 12, 2023, and adopting the City of Hutto Donations, Grants and Sponsorships Policy dated May 1, 2025. (Kate Moriarty) ]

AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION R 2020 5119 REPEALING RESOLUTION R 18 02 15 10 E. APPROVING THE CITY POLICY FOR DONATION GRANTS, SPONSORSHIPS AND FUNDRAISING. REPEALING 2023 E- 252 APPROVING THE CITY SPONSORSHIP POLICY DATED OCTOBER 12TH 2023 AND ADOPTING THE CITY OF HUTTO DONATIONS, GRANTS AND SCHOLARSHIPS POLICY DATED MAY 1ST, 2025.

>> KATE MORIARTY, I AM REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPMENT APARTMENT ON THIS ITEM. THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS TO REPEAL THE 2018 AND 2023 COEXISTING SPONSORSHIPS AND ADOPTING THIS CURRENT RUN THAT IS JUST EXPANDING AND A BIT CLEANED UP FROM THE OTHER TWO EXISTING SPONSORSHIP POLICIES. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS

THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE. >> ANY QUESTIONS OR ACTION?

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO REPEAL RESOLUTION R 1802 15 10 E. AND ADOPT THE DONATIONS, GRANTS AND SPONSORSHIPS POLICY DATED MAY

1ST, 2025. >> SECOND.

>> ALSO REPEALING RESOLUTION 2023-252.

>> I WILL ADD THAT TO THE MOTION.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> MAYOR SNYDER. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. COUNCILMEMBER CLARK.

COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR.

COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON. COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD.

[12.2 Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-120 approving the municipal services agreement between the City of Hutto and Limmer Holdings, LLC for the proposed annexation of 111.851 acres of land located west of Texas 130 and south of Limmer Loop. (Legal) ]

>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. ITEM 12.2. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION R-2025-120 APPROVING THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION OF 111.851 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED WEST OF TEXAS 130 AND SOUTH OF LIMMER LOOP.

>> AT THE APRIL 17TH COUNCIL MEETING, YOU APPROVED THE LIMMER SQUARE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. IT ACTS AS THE PETITION FOR ANNEXATION AND ALSO HAS CONNECT AS THE SERVICES PLAN. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS DONE THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES PLAN WITH THE

[02:00:03]

ADDITIONAL MUNICIPAL SERVICES THAT WEREN'T LISTED IN THE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT. THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE WASTEWATER SERVICES PROVIDED THERE. THIS IS REQUIRED TO BE ATTACHED TO YOUR ANNEXATION ORDINANCE SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO ANNEX THIS PROPERTY. WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

>> I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE R-2025-120.

>> SECOND. >> SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON.

COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD.

COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. MAYOR SNYDER. COUNCILMEMBER CLARK.

[12.3 Consideration and possible action on Resolution R-2025-114 regarding amendments to the Type A and Type B Bylaws of the Hutto Economic Development Corporations. (Councilmember Brian Thompson, Mayor Pro Tem Gordon, and Councilmember Randal Clark)]

[13.1. Discussion and possible action related to the conceptual mixed-use development known as ATX Legacy Park, located north of Limmer Loop near Limmer Loop and HWY 79 intersection. (Councilmember Randal Clark) ]

>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 12.3 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION R-2025-114 REGARDING AMENDMENTS TO THE TYPE A AND TYPE B BYLAWS OF THE HUTTO CORPORATIONS. WE

HAVE MISS AUDREY GUTHRIE. >> EVENING AGAIN. FOR ANYONE THAT DOESN'T REMEMBER ME, I AM ATTORNEY FOR THE HUTTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND I JUST CAME HERE TO REAL QUICK SUMMARIZE THE PROPOSED BYLAW CHANGES AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. I WILL TRY TO BE FAST. THE PROPOSED BYLAW CHANGES REALLY INTO TWO CATEGORIES, ONE OF THEM IS GEARED TOWARD COMPLIANCE AND THE SECOND IS DISCRETIONARY. 1.4 WHICH IS LISTED, PREVIOUSLY IT LISTS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE AND SAID THEY HAVE ACCESS TO RECORDS. TEXAS LAW ACTUALLY REQUIRES THAT FOR CERTAIN RECORDS. CERTIFIED AGENDAS AND RECORDING AND THINGS LIKE EXECUTIVE SESSION. CERTAIN PEOPLE AREN'T ACTUALLY ALLOWED.

SO ALL WE DID WAS ADD A LITTLE LINE THAT SAYS TO THE EXTENT LEGALLY ALLOWED. AND IT IS JUST A RED FLAG FOR ANYBODY LOOKING AT THIS IF THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR DOCUMENTS TO THINK I SHOULD CHECK AND MAKE SURE THIS PERSON HAS LEGAL AUTHORITY. THE OTHER CHANGE THAT IS GEARED TOWARD LEGAL COMPLIANCE IS 210. ALSO REGARDING EXECUTIVE SESSION. YOU GUYS KNOW MORE ABOUT THE BACK STORY. THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHO WAS AUTOMATICALLY ENTITLED TO ATTEND THE SESSION. BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY LIMITATIONS ON WHO THE BOARD IS ALLOWED INTO EXECUTIVE SESSIONS. THERE HAS TO BE CERTAIN FINDINGS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE INTERESTS ARE INVERSE. WHETHER OR NOT THE ATTENDANCE IS NECESSARY. SO TO 10 LISTS A FEW PEOPLE, BOARD DIRECTORS AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS AND THE ATTORNEY THAT THEY YOU CAN BUT IT PUTS AN OBLIGATION ON THE BOARD TO MAKE THE FINDINGS AND MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ATTENDING ARE LEGALLY AUTHORIZED. THEN WE HAVE DISCRETIONARY CHANGES WHICH ARE PRETTY SIMPLE. ONE OF WHICH IS JUST SAYING THE BOARD SAID THEY WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY BE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. SO THEY ADDED A REQUIREMENT THAT CITY EMPLOYEES WOULD NOT BE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND PUT AN AUTOMATIC RESIGNATION IN SO THAT IF YOU ARE ON THE BOARD AND TAKE A POSITION WITH THE CITY YOU HAVE RESIGNED FROM THE BOARD.

THERE IS ALREADY A LIMIT FOR TWO CITY COUNCIL NUMBERS TO BE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. IF A BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEMBER ACCEPTS A POSITION ON CITY COUNCIL AND THAT IS GOING TO EXCEED THAT, THEN THAT PERSON HAVE AUTOMATICALLY RESIGNED.

THEY CHANGED UNDER 2.2 SOME PROCEDURAL THINGS FOR WHEN YOU WANT TO GET A TOPIC ON THE EDC AGENDA FROM 10 TO 14 DAYS. AND THEY ADDED THIS CONCEPT OF THE LIAISON FOR CITY COUNCIL. SO THEY LIKE HAVING TWO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THEY JUST LISTED OUT I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT IF YOU ARE ON BOTH THEY WOULD LIKE YOU TO ACT AS A LIAISON BETWEEN THE TWO BOARDS. BRING INFORMATION THAT IS RELEVANT ABOUT THE EDC TO CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE THEM AWARE. DO THE REVERSE.

AND COMMUNICATE TO THE EXTENT THAT CORPORATE PRIVILEGE APPLIES, YOU CAN COMMUNICATE CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION. IT IS

[02:05:02]

JUST MAKING SURE PEOPLE ARE AWARE THAT YOU ARE IN A SPECIAL POSITION AND THE BOARD WOULD LIKE YOU TO ACT AS SUCH. DO YOU

HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? >> I HAVE ONE FIRST OF ALL.

RELATING TO THE CHANGE. HYPOTHETICALLY, THERE IS ONE COUNCILMEMBER. SO YOU HAD TWO PEOPLE ON EDC AND ALSO RUNNING FOR COUNCIL AND THEY BOTH GOT ELECTED. THEN WHAT HAPPENS? THEN YOU HAVE THREE BUT YOU WOULD IMMEDIATELY RESIGN TO PEOPLE ON THE EDC? IT JUST SEEMS LIKE EXTRA WORDING. THEY CAN ALREADY DETERMINE WHO IS ON THERE. AND ARTICLE IS WE DECIDE WHO THE LIAISONS ARE. NOT THE EDC. I DO AGREE IF THEY ARE SERVING ON THAT BOARD THERE WOULD BE A LIAISON BUT THAT IS A COUNSEL ROLE. NOT THE EDC ROLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE COULD MOVE A MEMBER. I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THE BOARD OF

DIRECTORS UNDERSTOOD THAT. >> I THINK THEY DO UNDERSTAND. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I TOUCH ON BOTH OF THEM. IF TWO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO AT ONCE, THEN YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ONE CLEAR PERSON THAT IS THE THIRD PERSON THAT WOULD VIOLATE THE RULES AND IT WOULD GO BACK AND HAVE CITY COUNCIL HAVE TO DECIDE WHICH PERSON WAS GOING TO BE RESIGNED. SO THE CHANGE IN BYLAWS WAS TO SAY IF THERE IS CLEARLY ONE PERSON WHERE THE LIMIT IS GOING TO BE EXCEEDED, THAT PERSON IS AUTOMATICALLY RESIGNING. AND FOR THE ROLE OF COUNSEL LIAISON, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS EXCLUDING THE CITY COUNCIL ABILITY TO PUT OTHER PLACEMENTS ON. BUT THIS IS DEFINITELY THE REQUEST TO SAY IF YOU ARE ON BOTH, WE WANT YOU TO SERVE. AS A LIAISON. WE WANT YOU TO FUNCTION AND COMMUNITY INFORMATION TO THE BENEFIT OF BOTH. TO THAT REGARD, IF YOU THINK THAT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE CLARIFYING IS CALLED FOR, WE CAN ADD THAT. I THINK THIS IS REALLY THE COUNSEL PREFERENCE TO SAY THAT ANYBODY THAT IS SERVING ON BOTH SHOULD DO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY TO FUNCTION AS A LIAISON BETWEEN

THE TWO. >> IS KIND OF OBVIOUS. IF YOU SERVE ON BOTH BUT YOU. IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF. I DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T AGREE ON A LOT. SO WE BOTH SERVED AT THE SAME TIME. WE DIFFER 99% OF THE TIME. SO BOTH ON THE EDC, WE ARE BOTH LIAISONS, IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF WORDS.

AND FOR ME, I START SEEING WHERE THE LIAISON IS GOING TO GIVE REPORTS TO THE BOARD AND CONCERNS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

MAYBE IT IS BECAUSE I AM IN THE MINORITY. BUT MY CONCERNS OUGHT TO BE JUST AS VALID. I WOULD HOPE THAT THE LIAISON WOULD SHARE ALL THE CONCERNS. LIKE THE MAYOR IS AN IDIOT, DOESN'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. BUT HE THREW THIS OUT THERE, FYI. INSTEAD OF I DON'T LIKE THE MAYOR AND DON'T CARE WHAT HE HAS TO SAY.

BUT THAT'S WHAT I SEE IN THE LIAISON JUDGMENT. THE LIAISON IS ONLY AT THEIR JUDGMENT GOING TO TELL THE COUNCIL WHAT THEY THINK IS IMPORTANT FROM THE EDC. DON'T JUST TELL US ALL THE GOOD. I GET MAD WHEN STAFF TELLS ME ALL THE GREAT THINGS AND WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE YES. BUT THEN THEY NEVER TELL ME WHY I SHOULD VOTE NO BECAUSE THERE IS ONE MEMBER THAT SAID SOMETHING TO ME. THAT'S IMPORTANT. IF THE BOARD VIEWS COPYING THE MAYOR ON EMAIL IS A MATERIAL BREACH OF SOMEBODY'S DUTY, THEN I AM OVER HERE GOING, THEN WE ARE GOING TO BE COMPLETELY SHUT OUT. I GOT THAT CONCERN. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S IN THERE. I THINK THERE IS

SOMETHING MORE TO THE STORY. >> I THINK THERE'S A FEW THINGS IN THERE SO I'D LIKE TO TOUCH BASE ON THEM. THERE IS ON THE

[02:10:04]

CITY COUNCIL OR ON EDC YOU HAVE A DUTY TO BOTH. SO I THINK THERE IS A GOOD FAITH EFFORT HERE AND THAT IS PART OF WHAT IS INSTILLED BY PUTTING THIS COUNSEL LIAISON ROLE WITHIN THE BYLAWS. IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE MISCOMMUNICATION OR A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ABOUT WHAT THE OBLIGATIONS ARE. PEOPLE ARE AUTOMATICALLY A LIAISON IF THEY ARE ON BOTH BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU IF YOU WERE ON THE EDC ALSO VERSUS WHAT IT MEANS TO THOMPSON AS BEING ON THE EDC ALSO ASKED HERE IS WHAT THE THOUGHTS ARE ON WHAT YOUR OBLIGATIONS ARE AS LIAISON SO THAT YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON THE MATTER. AND ALSO, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS THE LIAISON OPPORTUNITY BUT IT IN NO WAY FORECLOSES CITY COUNCIL ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE EDC DIRECTLY. OR WITH THE EDC ABILITY TO CONTACT THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. IT IS JUST THIS IS WHAT AS A LIAISON THE BOARD EXPECTS YOU TO DO.

>> I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE VERIFICATION ON THE WORDING.

IT SAYS REPORTING TO THE CITY COUNCIL ACTIVITIES, UPDATES OR CONCERNS OF THE BOARD THAT THE COUNSEL LIAISON JUDGMENT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO KNOW. I DON'T LIKE, IN MY OPINION THAT WORDING TAKES AWAY FROM THE AUTHORITY OF THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE AND PUTTING IT ON THOSE LIAISONS. THEIR JUDGMENT DOES NOT REPRESENT ALL OF US.

>> THIS IS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE EDC DOESN'T HAVE TO VOTE TO SEND INFORMATION OR INSTRUCT TO SEND INFORMATION OVER. AND THAT IS RELEVANT FOR COUNSEL. AND COUNSEL DOESN'T HAVE TO VOTE OR INSTRUCT THE LIAISON TO SEND INFORMATION BACK. IF THERE IS INFORMATION OUTSIDE OF WHAT HAS FORMALLY BEEN COMMUNICATED, BUT THAT THE LIAISON FEELS IS RELEVANT AND SHOULD BE COMMUNICATED THEY SHOULD BECAUSE OF THEIR DUTY TO BOTH CITY COUNCIL AND THE EDC BOARD COMMUNICATE THAT INFORMATION.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS LANGUAGE IS BECAUSE THEY DON'T

HAVE TO HAVE INSTRUCTION. >> I DON'T NECESSARILY TRUST HIS JUDGMENT ON THINGS. ADDING ALL THAT IN, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE A NARCISSIST BUT WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO KEEP FROM THE MAYOR? THIS WHOLE THING IS BEING DRIVEN BY CONCERNS THAT I HAVE.

BY PUTTING ALL THAT IN THERE, IT'S LIKE NOW PEOPLE COULD SAY IN MY JUDGMENT, I DIDN'T THINK YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T TELL YOU. PEOPLE CAN ALWAYS REST BACK ON MY JUDGMENT, THEY GAVE ME THE POWER. WE TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME, I NEED TO TRUST MORE. I THINK OTHER PEOPLE NEED TO TRUST

LESS. >> WE HAVE OUR OWN REQUIREMENT OF WHAT A LIAISON MUST DO TO US. AND WE SUPERSEDE. THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT THE LIAISON BACK TO COUNSEL. THEY ARE SAYING THIS IS OUR LIAISON AND THE ONLY PERSON IT CAN BE AS A COUNCIL MEMBER.

WE ALSO DEFINE WHAT THE COUNSEL LIAISON PREVENTS AND ISSUES REPORTED TO US. THAT WOULD SUPERSEDE THIS.

>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. HOW DO YOU DEFINE ADVERSE, WHAT IS THAT

WORDING? >> ADVERSE INTEREST.

>> WHAT MAKES AN ADVERSE INTEREST?

>> IN A VARIETY OF WAYS. TO BE A POTENTIAL FINANCIAL CONFLICT.

THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY CLEAR ONE. ANOTHER WOULD BE POTENTIALLY DIFFERENT POSITION IN EITHER PENDING OR POTENTIAL LITIGATION. BASICALLY ANY TIME SOMEONE'S INTEREST DO NOT ALIGN VERY EXPRESSLY WITH THE INTERESTS OF THE BOARD. IF THEY POTENTIALLY WILL BENEFIT FROM SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE BOARD OR EDC, OR IF THEY WOULD BE INJURED BY SOMETHING BENEFICIAL TO THE EDC EVEN IF IT IS NOT A LEGALLY DISCLOSED CONFLICT. THAT'S WHY YOU SAY THE INTERESTS ARE

ADVERSE. >> WE CAN'T TAKE SOMEONE OUT

[02:15:06]

HERE WANTING TO SELL HIS PROPERTY. LET'S SAY I HAVE A STRONG OPINION ON AN ITEM. DOES THAT MAKE ME AN ADVERSE INTEREST? BECAUSE I AM BOISTEROUS AND TALKING NEGATIVELY ABOUT A PARTICULAR DEAL? OR DOES THAT MAKE ME A PERSON WITH A DIFFERENT OPINION?

>> THAT WOULD BE FOR THE BOARD TO DECIDE ON THE SPECIFICS.

POTENTIALLY YOU HAVING OPINION WOULD NOT MAKE YOUR POSITION ADVERSE TO THE BOARD. BUT DEPENDING ON HOW YOU ACT IN REGARD TO THAT OPINION I THINK IT COULD IN THE BOARD'S JUDGMENT. BUT THAT IS NOT MY JUDGMENT.

>> WE DEFINED THEIR BUDGET, THE TAXABILITY, THE ABILITY ON THE AGREEMENT. IT HAS TO CONFORM TO OUR BOARD. I WOULD SAY THAT AND IF THEY GET INTO A LAWSUIT, IT ALSO COULD BE WE HAVE CITY RESOURCES THEY ARE USING. SO I WOULD SAY BECAUSE YOU ARE USING TAXPAYER FUNDS TO DO ANY BUSINESS WITH THE EDC, WE HAVE INTEREST IN EVERY CASE. THERE IS NOT A SINGLE CASE WHERE THE EDC, WHERE THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE INTEREST. BECAUSE WE HAVE OWNERSHIP OF THE DIRECTOR IS PAID UNDER CITY TAXES, THE EDC DOES NOT TAKE CARE OF THAT. UNLESS THE EDC IS GOING TO CHANGE THEIR BUDGET AND TAKE ON ALL OF THE EXPENSES AND HAVE THEIR OWN BUILDING. AND THEIR OWN MEETING SPACE AND THEIR OWN AND ACTUALLY ACT LIKE A TRULY INDEPENDENT AUTHORITY DOES NOT INSIDE CITY HALL AND THEY ARE NOT USING ANY TAXPAYER-FUNDED BENEFITS, THEY CAN'T CLAIM THAT WE HAVE NO INTEREST. BECAUSE WE

DO. >> WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? THIS

NEVER HAPPENS. >> YOU JUST NEVER LET ME TALK ON

ALL SIDES OF AN ISSUE. >> ONE IS SINCE WE ARE HERE TALKING ABOUT THE BYLAWS, THE LANGUAGE IN 210 DOES NOT SPECIFY ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO CITY COUNCIL IN PARTICULAR. AND IT JUST RECITES THE LAW. SO ALL IT DOES IS SAY THAT IF SOMEBODY OTHER THAN THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS THEMSELVES, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OR LEGAL COUNSEL IS GOING TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, THE BOARD HAS TO TAKE STEPS TO MAKE SURE THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS ARE MET. THAT IS ALL IT SAYS.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THE OPINION OF HOW WE WOULD ALWAYS HAVE INTEREST. THEREFORE I DON'T KNOW HOW COUNCIL COULD BE EXCLUDED FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IN THE BYLAWS.

>> COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR LEGAL OPINIONS? WHAT WOULD BE AN ADVERSE POSITION OF A COUNCIL MEMBER GOING TO A MEETING AND SOMEONE SAYS THAT IS ADVERSE. WHERE WOULD WE GO FROM WE CONTROL THE BUILDING YOU MEETING, THE EMPLOYEES AND ALL THAT. WE GO FROM THAT TO ADVERSE. SO.

>> I WOULD SAY MOST OF THE TIME, THAT DETERMINATION WOULD NOT BE MADE ON THE ENTIRE COUNSEL BASIS. IT WOULD BE MADE ON A PERSON-TO-PERSON BASIS. AND PEOPLE CAN DEFINITELY HAVE CONFLICTS ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE PERSONAL INTERESTS IN THE MATTERS. THIS IS JUST THE PROCESS WHERE THEY HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT SOMEBODY IS ALLOWED IN. IF YOU ASKED TO COME IN DESPITE THE FACT THAT YOU HAD ADVERSE INTEREST PERSONALLY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO RULE THAT. CONCEIVABLY IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF DISPUTE BETWEEN EDC AND CITY COUNCIL WHICH HOPEFULLY THERE WOULDN'T BE BECAUSE OF YOUR OBVIOUS CLOSE RELATIONSHIP AND OVERLAPPING CORPORATE PRIVILEGE IN MANY PLACES, THEN CONCEIVABLY THAT TOPIC WOULD NOT BE BROUGHT UP BY A CITY COUNCIL NUMBER. IT WOULD BE MADE ON A PER PERSON BASIS.

NOT BARRING EVERY PERSON OF CITY COUNCIL. THAT WOULD BE PER TOPIC. THAT THE BOARD WOULD MAKE AT THE TIME.

>> I DON'T THINK WE ARE SUGGESTING PER PERSON.

>> WE HAVE A LOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND EDC. IT SEEMS THAT THIS POSSIBLY WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THAT. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT IT FROM THAT FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND FROM YOU?

>> WE DIDN'T PERCEIVE THIS TO BE A VIOLATION OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. WE DID REVIEW THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. BUT LIKE I SAID, THIS DOESN'T BAR ANYBODY FROM ANYTHING. IT JUST LAYS OUT THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS SAID HAVE TO BE TAKEN BEFORE PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

[02:20:02]

AND SO THIS DOES NOT MAKE ANY DETERMINATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT CITY COUNCIL OR COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN ATTEND. IT IS JUST THE PROCEDURE. SO WE DON'T SEE THIS AS ANY VIOLATION OF AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE EDC AND CITY COUNCIL.

>> IF I DON'T HAVE THE FINANCIAL INTEREST, I AM NOT SELLING THEM ANYTHING, NOT IN ANY CONTRACTS, IS THAT ADVERSE? WHAT IS THE ADVERSE THING THAT WOULD BE ABOUT ME OR ANY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WISHES TO SIT IN WHERE THEY COULD SAY IT IS IN THE BYLAWS, SORRY. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO

GET AT. >> THEY ARE SAYING YOU ILLEGALLY VOTED TO EXCLUDE ME FROM A THING. NONE OF THOSE EXISTED. SO THE QUESTION IS, DOES YOU AS THE ATTORNEY ADVISE YOUR BOARD AND SAY I DON'T SEE ADVERSE ACTIVITY HERE. YOU CAN STILL TAKE YOUR ACTION. I SEE POTENTIALLY I AM TRYING TO AVOID THAT BY ASKING THESE QUESTIONS NOW.

>> I CANNOT MAKE AN ASSESSMENT OF THE SITUATION THAT DOESN'T EXIST. AND I HAVE OUTLINED SOME POTENTIAL SITUATIONS IN WHICH A PERSON, AN INDIVIDUAL MEMBER COULD BE ADVERSE BUT TO YOUR OTHER QUESTION, IF THE EDC BOARD CAME TO MEET AND ASKED ME WHAT YOU THINK OF THIS? I THINK THIS IS AN ADVERSE INTEREST. DOES THE LAW AGREE WITH ME? YES I WOULD GIVE THEM MY LEGAL OPINION AND YES, IT WOULD ULTIMATELY NOT BE UP TO ME. IT WOULD BE UP TO

THEM. >> I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. IS THERE NOT ANY LEGAL WHAT EVER THAT THE BOARD THE CORPORATION MUST PROVIDE THEIR REASON FOR NOT ALLOWING THAT PERSON? OR CAN

THEY JUST SAY NO? >> THERE IS NOT A PARAMETER THAT SAYS THEY HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE SPECIFIC ADVERSE INTEREST. ALL THE LAW SAYS IF THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BRING ANYBODY BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT HAS AN ADVERSE INTEREST.

>> BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO STATE IT.

>> THEY DO NOT HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE ADVERSE INTEREST IS. AT LEAST NOT ACCORDING TO LAW. OR ACCORDING TO THIS BYLAW.

>> WHEN THE MAYOR ASKED ABOUT ADVERSE, YOU SAID CONFLICT A COUPLE TIMES. THAT MADE ME THINK WHEN I GO THROUGH THESE BYLAWS, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN HERE THAT SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT THE BOARD HAVING THEIR OWN CONFLICT OF INTEREST. ARE YOU AWARE OF

ANYTHING IN THAT? >> IN THE PARTICULAR BYLAWS?

>> IN THE BYLAWS IN GENERAL. OR IS IT DOES SPECIFIC ITEMS?

>> IF I AM NOT ALLOWED TO. >> IT SAYS REGARDING AMENDMENTS TO TYPE A AND TYPE ME. I DON'T KNOW.

>> I THINK THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOUR CITY ATTORNEY.

>> IF YOU HAVE ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST, OTHERWISE THE VOTE COULD BE CONSIDERED INVALID. IT IS IMPLIED.

>> WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ADVERSE, IS IT CONFLICT OF

INTEREST? >> ADVERSE INTEREST, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF THEY WOULD DEFINE ADVERSE INTEREST IN THESE BYLAWS. SO IT WOULD BE CLEAR. WHAT IS CONSIDERED ADVERSE INTEREST? BUT IT WOULD BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST LIKE PROPERTY OR FROM ONE OF YOUR RELATIVES. IF YOU HAD A CLAIM AGAINST THE EDC, YOU SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED IN THERE. IF YOU HAD LITIGATION, INTEREST IN THE EDC'S MATTER THAT THEY WERE CONSIDERING FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDING, THOSE ARE THE TYPES. I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL IF THEY HAD A DEFINITION IN THE BYLAWS AND ALSO THE BOARD SHOULD GIVE A REASON. IF THEY ARE GOING TO STATE ON THE RECORD THAT THEY'RE GOING TO EXCLUDE THE COUNCILMEMBER THAT WISHES TO ATTEND, THEN THEY SHOULD PUT THAT ON THE RECORD WITH THE REASON OF THE ADVERSE INTEREST.

SO IT IS NOT JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THAT PERSON.

>> WHAT DOES THE STATE LAW SAY? THAT IS NOT WHAT I HEARD THE LAST TIME. DICTATES WHO GOES TO THEIR EXECUTIVE SESSION OR NOT.

[02:25:06]

AND STATE THE REASONING. >> THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION SO YOU WON'T GET A CLAIM THAT THE BOARD IS JUST EXCLUDING

SOMEBODY. >> ADVERSE IS A COOL WORD BUT

IT'S A LITTLE TOO AMBIGUOUS. >> BUT IF YOU DO FIND IT WITHIN THE BYLAWS THAT IT WOULD BE CLEAR.

>> WE HAVEN'T EVEN ADDRESSED NUMBER TWO ON THAT. WHICH I THINK IS TO ME THE MORE IMPORTANT. IF WE TAKE COUNCILMAN CLARK'S ARGUMENT THAT A CITY COUNCILMEMBER WOULD ALWAYS HAVE AN INTEREST IN WHAT THEY ARE DOING, OKAY. BUT THEN I THINK NUMBER TWO GETS TO IT SAYS THEY ARE NECESSARY TO DELIVER ON THE MANNER CONSIDERED. I'VE GOT INTO EXECUTIVE DECISION A LOT.

NOT A SINGLE TIME HAS MY PRESENCE BEEN REQUIRED FOR THEM

TO BE ABLE TO DELIBERATE. >> IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN

VIOLATION. >> THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THAT WOULD PREVENT MOST PEOPLE FROM ATTENDING WHO ARE NOT BOARD MEMBERS. IS BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING BACK JUST TO LISTEN AND BECAUSE I AM A COUNCILMEMBER I CAN, IF STATE LAW SAYS THAT THAT IS NOT SUFFICIENT FOR ME TO GO BACK THERE, THEN THAT IS REALLY WHERE, THAT'S THE CRUX OF THE MATTER. NOT NUMBER ONE.

>> THIS EXACT WORDING IS NOT DERIVED FROM THE STATUTE BUT IT IS DERIVED FROM ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS INTERPRETING THE STATUTE. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY THE CURRENT LAW IN TEXAS.

>> IT'S NOT LAW. SOMETIMES IT IS LAW, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT.

>> THE INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW.

>> IT IS SOLIDLY ACCEPTED INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW.

>> SOMETIMES. >> THE HOUSTON HOUSING AUTHORITY. LIKE COMPARING APPLES TO PEARS. IN HOUSTON, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG ON THAT, THE CITY COUNCIL SET UP THAT HOUSING AUTHORITY THEY SPECIFICALLY SAID COUNCILMEMBERS CANNOT BE PART OF IT. AND THEN THE COUNCIL CAN SAID WE WANT TO HAVE A PERSON AND THE HOUSING AUTHORITY SAID NO, NO ONE CAN BE INVOLVED. IT MAKES SENSE TO ME BECAUSE THE COUNCIL VOTED WHEN THEY ORGANIZED IT. THE EDC ALLOWS FOR MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO BE PART OF IT. SO I THINK IT'S A REALLY WEAK ARGUMENT. TO USE THE HOUSING AUTHORITY WHICH IS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EDC AS A BASIS FOR A OPINION THAT DEALS WITH SOME OTHER COMPLETE DEAL, AND THEN KIND OF PLAY IT OFF. WE JUST REWORDED IT. THIS IS WHAT THE ITEM WAS, AND THEN WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE FORGOT TO PUT SOME OTHER STUFF IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO ASK FOR AN AG OPINION ON THIS. I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST EDC THAT HAS TRIED TO BAN COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR ATTENDING. IT HADN'T COME UP.

>> ITEM TWO IS MY PROBLEM. >> I WANT TO SAY THAT I HAVE SEEN THIS LANGUAGE IN MORE THAN ONE ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION. I CAN'T 100% SAY FOR SURE SO I WAS HOPING THAT I COULD CONFIRM.

>> THIS ADVERSE OPINION OR POSITION. I'VE GOT CONCERNS ON CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON THE EDC. IT'S NO SURPRISE TO YOU AND THE WHOLE BOARD THAT I FEEL. THERE ARE THINGS GOING ON, THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON I WANT TO GO BACK THERE IS BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED OUTSIDE, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION BUT IT WAS COMMUNICATED BY STAFF MEMBERS THAT WERE TRYING POTENTIALLY TO BUY A BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN. AND THE STAFF MEMBER REACHED OUT TO A BOARD MEMBER. AND HE SAID CAN YOU GET US SOME COMPS? THIS PERSON ALSO REPRESENTS LANDOWNERS DOWNTOWN.

THE ANSWER WAS WE WOULD VIEW THAT AS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

A STRONG ONE. WHAT IF THEY REFUSE THEMSELVES? THAT IS A STRONG CONFLICT OF INTEREST. BUT WE DON'T THINK SO. THEN THE PERSON HAS A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP TO WHERE IT GETS OUTSIDE OF THE LINES OF FAMILY TO WHERE THEY ARE NOT MARRIED,

[02:30:01]

NOT BROTHER AND SISTER BUT EVERYBODY GETS MARRIAGE. NOT EVERYBODY GETS MARRIED. THAT IS A HUGE CONFLICT OF INTEREST BUT NO ONE IS KICKING NOT BOARD MEMBER OUT. BUT SOMEONE IS TALKING BECAUSE IT IS OUT ON THE STREET. STAFF IS TALKING TO MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL ABOUT HEY, WHAT IF. AND YOU DON'T KNOW ME VERY WELL, BUT IMMEDIATELY I AM LIKE PANIC.

WHAT IS GOING ON? I MENTION THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN MY OPINION, THE NEXT THING I KNOW THIS ALL BREAKS LOOSE BECAUSE I AM A TERRIBLE PERSON. STOP AND THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A MINUTE. WHEN WE GET IN THIS, I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF A DEFINITION BECAUSE I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND SAY THIS BOARD MEMBER HOW ARE YOU HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT BUYING A PROPERTY THAT THEY ARE REPRESENTING THE LAND OF WHETHER THEY GET A COMMISSION OR NOT? I REALLY DON'T CARE. I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE LOOK AT THAT AND GO NO, WE DON'T WANT THAT PERSON ANYWHERE IN ANY CONVERSATIONS. NOT IN THE BUDGET CONVERSATION BUDGETING MONEY FOR A BUILDING, TO ME THE WHOLE THING IS ADVERSE AND IT'S GOT ME CONCERNED AND WORRIED ABOUT US AND NOT WORRIED ABOUT YOU. THE WHOLE ISSUE STARTED BECAUSE I AM WORRIED ABOUT YOU. THAT IS JUST ONE CONFLICT.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. I AM NOT ENTIRELY SURE IF THAT'S TRUE WHAT WAS JUST TOLD. BUT IS THERE ANYTHING IN THESE BYLAWS ABOUT

BANNING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS? >> THIS IS JUST THE PROCEDURE THE BOARD HAS TO GO THROUGH TO IDENTIFY THAT THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS ARE MET. THE PERSON'S INTERESTS ARE NOT ADVERSE, AND THAT IT IS NOT GOING TO VIOLATE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE. ULTIMATELY THE DECISION ABOUT WHO TO INVITE AND WHETHER OR NOT A PERSON IS QUALIFIED AND IN COMPLIANCE TO ATTEND EXECUTIVE SESSION IS WITH THE BOARD.

>> BECAUSE I THOUGHT I HEARD THE WORD VAN AND I DON'T THINK I SAW ANYTHING THAT SAID WE ARE BANNING CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS. I DO SEE THE NEED POTENTIALLY FOR THE REASONING. BUT AS FAR AS BANNING SOMEONE I DIDN'T WANT THAT TO, IF THAT'S TRUE THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD WANT.

>> THERE IS NOTHING SPECIFIC TO ANY PERSON AND THERE IS NO BAN.

IT'S JUST PROCEDURE. >> THANK YOU FOR THE

CLARIFICATION. >> I AGREE WITH MAYOR PRO TEM.

NUMBER TWO OF 210. BECAUSE MUST BE NECESSARY. UNLESS BECAUSE WE CONTROL ALL OF THE FOR THE LEGAL TAXING AUTHORITY, WE ALWAYS IT WOULD BE NECESSARY IF THEY WANT TO SHOW UP.

>> THAT IS NOT IN A POSITION FOR ME TO DETERMINE. FOR THE BOARD TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT COUNSEL IS NECESSARY.

>> THEY ARE GOING TO LISTEN TO LEGAL OPINION. I AM ASKING YOU AS A LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE OF THE EDC.

>> I CANNOT SAY THAT COUNCIL OR ANY PARTICULAR COUNCIL MEMBER PRESENCE IS NECESSARY AT EVERY SINGLE EDC MEETING WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE AGENDA OR WHAT IS BEING TALKED ABOUT. I JUST CAN'T. I NEED MORE FACTS FOR THAT. I WILL CONCEDE THAT THERE IS CORPORATE PRIVILEGE HERE. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF SITUATIONS IN WHICH COUNCILMEMBERS WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS TO ATTEND EXECUTIVE SESSION. EVEN THE REQUIREMENT NOT TO WAIVE PRIVILEGE IN SEVERAL CIRCUMSTANCES. BUT AGAIN IF YOU ARE ASKING ME TO MAKE A BLANKET STATEMENT THAT EVERY CITY COUNCIL MEMBER IS GOING TO BE NECESSARY FOR EVERY EDC MEETING, I CAN'T MAKE THAT STATEMENT. THIS REQUIRES THE BOARD TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE JUST OUTLINED FROM ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS.

I WANT TO SAY IT IS MULTIPLE ONES. THAT ARE INTERPRETING THE MEETINGS. WE DIDN'T MAKE UP THIS LANGUAGE. WE TOOK IT STRAIGHT OUT OF ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS.

>> AND THE CITY STAFF CAN REPORT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

>> TO BRING IT BACK TO THE ROLE OF THE COUNCIL LIAISON THAT WE HAD IN HERE, ONE OF THE THINGS IS TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, DISCUSSING AND BRINGING FORTH ANYTHING COVERED BY INTER-CORPORATE PRIVILEGE. SO JUST BECAUSE THE COUNCIL ISN'T PRESENT THAT IS COVERED BY INTER-CORPORATE PRIVILEGE

[02:35:02]

DOESN'T MEAN THE LIAISONS CAN'T COMMUNICATE THAT. THAT IS

ANOTHER AVENUE. >> ESSENTIALLY A TELEPHONE GAME.

>> CITY STAFF GIVES A THE UPDATE ANYWAY WHENEVER WE HAVE OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT PRESENT IN THE MEETING. BUT THEN THE STAFF BRINGS BACK WHAT WAS DISCUSSED ANYWAYS. NOT SEEING THAT CORRELATION.

>> I'LL HELP YOU. I HAVE TALKED TO THE BOARD MEMBER FOR OVER TWO HOURS ABOUT MY EXTREME CONCERNS FOR THIS POTENTIAL TRANSACTIONS.

AND YOU ARE SAYING YOU THINK IT'S NOT TRUE HAVING VIVID CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE ABOUT THIS. YOU REMEMBER THE

CONVERSATION RIGHT? >> VERY MUCH SO.

>> THIS IS ALREADY NOT WORKING BECAUSE OUR LIAISON IF WE PASSED THIS, COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON WOULD BE OUR LIAISON. HE IS AWARE OF THIS CONVERSATION. SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE I START GETTING CONCERNED. WHO KNOWS WHAT INFORMATION. AND AT SOME POINT IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SENDING SOMEONE TO SOUTH KOREA FOR TWO DAYS AND FOR SOME REASON IT WENT INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO TRY TO GET A DEAL DONE, WE HAVE TO GO BACK THERE. BECAUSE WE ARE THE GUARDIANS OF THE TAXPAYER DOLLAR AND EVERY DOLLAR YOU SPEND IS A TAXPAYER DOLLAR IN MY OPINION. IF YOU SELL LAND FOR $20 MILLION THAT JUST TURNED INTO TAXPAYER MONEY THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO GENERATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO TO ME, EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DO, IF YOU BUY PADS OF PAPER TALKING ABOUT THE CONTRACT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO IN THERE AT ANY POINT IN TIME. I DON'T EVER GO IN THERE. BUT I THINK THE FEAR OF GOING IN THERE, LET'S CUT THE CRAP, THIS IS ALL BROUGHT ON BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAD A CRAZY MEETING AND I WANTED TO HEAR FOR MYSELF. AND I ASKED FOR THE AUDIO AND YOU GUYS DIDN'T HAVE A POLICY FOR THAT.

THEN IT HAS BEEN EMERGENCY MEETINGS AND SPECIAL MEETINGS AND RUSHING THROUGH. YOU DIDN'T ALLOW MAYOR PRO TEM OR COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON INTO THE MEETING BECAUSE YOU DID A QUICK LITTLE DEAL. IT MAY HAVE BEEN INCONSISTENT WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT ARGUABLY. ALL THIS IS GOING ON BECAUSE I ASKED TO LISTEN TO AUDIO OF THE MEETING AND TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. I JUST THINK I INHERENTLY HAVE A RIGHT AS THE GUARDIAN OF THE TAXPAYER TO SEE EVERYTHING. TO SEE EVERY BOOK, EVERY RECORD, EVERY RECORDING AND GO TO ANY MEETING AND THE MINUTE SOMEONE TRIES TO STOP ME, MAYOR PRO TEM WILL TELL YOU, I IMMEDIATELY GO FROM LEVEL 10 PLUS. WHAT ARE THEY HIDING? PROBABLY NOT ANYTHING. I JUST AUTOMATICALLY GO, NOW I WANT TO ATTEND YOUR MEETINGS BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON BACK THERE. A MONTH AGO, I HADN'T BEEN TO A MEETING IN TWO YEARS. UNLESS IT

WAS A JOINT ONE. >> THERE IS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE ABILITY TO REVIEW CERTIFIED AGENDAS AND RECORDINGS AND THE ABILITY TO ATTEND THE SESSION YOURSELF. SO THE LAW DOES IDENTIFY SPECIFICALLY WHO IS ALLOWED TO REVIEW CERTIFIED AGENDAS AND RECORDINGS. AND ON THE ATTENDANCE ISSUE, THAT IS WHERE TO 10 SAYS HERE IS THE PARAMETERS. IT IS VERY SPECIFIC WHEN IT COMES TO CERTIFIED AGENDAS. AND IN THIS ONE IT JUST SAYS WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE DON'T FIT INTO THESE

CATEGORIES. >> THAT IS NOT SPELLED OUT EXACTLY LIKE THAT. IT IS ANOTHER READING. THE LAW IS ALL RECORDS OF THE EDC. ARE AVAILABLE FOR INSPECTION FOR ELECTED PEOPLE.

IT DIDN'T SAY ALL EXCEPT FOR CERTIFIED AGENDAS AND RECORDINGS. THEY SAID ALL RECORDS. THAT MEANS A LOOK AT YOUR BOOKS, WHAT CHECKS DID YOU WRITE LAST WEEK? I HAVE DISAGREED WITH DOTTIE BEFORE AND I JUST MADE A CALL TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND SAID I HAVE A QUESTION, IF YOU THINK I AM RIGHT OR MAY BE RIGHT CAN YOU SEND IT TO THE AG NONE OF THIS HAS BEEN ADDRESSED BEFORE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK EDC HAS EVER TAKEN THE POSITION OF COUNCILMEMBERS CAN BE ADVERSE AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO HEAR THINGS. BECAUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE I CAN THEN NOT LISTEN TO THEM.

[02:40:01]

>> IF I MAY, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO.

>> HOLD ON. SHE HASN'T TALKED. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE R-2025-114 AS PRESENTED. THAT IS MY MOTION.

>> SECOND. >> THE REASON I WOULD WANT TO SAY THAT IS BECAUSE UNTIL IT IS PASSED, THAT GIVES YOU THE OPTION IF YOU THINK THE INTERPRETATION IS WRONG, YOU CAN FILE WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND TO SEE WHETHER THEY ARE VALID OR NOT. AND WE WOULD GET THAT OPINION. BUT UNTIL YOU GOT THAT APPROVED I DON'T THINK YOU GO THAT ROUTE.

>> I'D LIKE TO POSE AN AMENDMENT OF THE SEVEN DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON INTERPRETATION OF THIS LANGUAGE. I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE CHANGES TO THE ONE AND TWO UNDER SECTION 210. THAT SAYS OTHER THAN THE BOARD FOR A PERSON TO BE ELIGIBLE TO ATTEND EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT SHALL HAVE INTERESTS THAT ALIGN WITH THOSE OF THE CORPORATION. AND TO TWO THEIR PARTICIPATION MAY BE NECESSARY TO DELIBERATE ON THE MATTER TO BE CONSIDERED. I BELIEVE THAT ADDRESSES THE CONCERN ABOUT MUST PARTICIPATE, THEY MAY PARTICIPATE IF THEY FEEL OBLIGATED TO OR ARE ASKED TO BY THE EDC BOARD. THAT ADDRESSES THE CONCERN. AND AS A COUNSELOR I FEEL LIKE A FEW MEMBERS APPEAR ARE STUCK ON THE TERM ADVERSE AND HOW TO DEFINE IT. SO LET'S JUST FLIP IT ON ITS HEAD AND SAY THAT IF YOU ARE ELIGIBLE TO ATTEND THAT SESSION, YOU SHALL HAVE THE INTERESTS THAT ALIGN WITH THOSE OF THE

CORPORATION. >> BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE

INTERESTS ARE. >> THAT IS ALL UP TO INTERPRETATION. THAT IS WHAT I AM PROPOSING TO JUST CHANGE

THOSE WORDINGS. >> I WILL SECOND THAT.

>> I AMEND IT. >> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK MOTION HAS BEEN SECONDED WITH A PROPOSED AMENDMENT.

>> CAN I MAKE ONE CHANGE? >> YOU CAN PROPOSE A CHANGE TO

THE AMENDMENT. >> I AGREE WITH THE MAY BE NECESSARY TO DELIVER. AND I THINK NUMBER ONE SHOULD JUST SAY THEY MUST NOT HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. AND JUST DOES NOT RELATE TO ADVERSE TO THE CORPORATION BECAUSE THEY CAN'T KNOW THE INTENT OF THE COUNCILMEMBER OR INDIVIDUAL WANTING TO TALK TO THE BOARD AND EXECUTIVE. IF THEY CAN DEMONSTRATE THEY DON'T HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AS DEFINED BY CHAPTER 171 AND THAT IS THE LANGUAGE WE PUT IN THERE FOR

NUMBER ONE. >> SURE.

>> WE ARE JUST SAYING APPROVE AS PRESENTED, WITH THE CHANGES. SO

WE DON'T NEED THE AMENDMENT. >> WE ARE JUST GOING TO VOTE ON MY ORIGINAL MOTION WITH THE CHANGE THAT SAYS THEY MUST NOT HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AS DEFINED IN CHAPTER 117 AND YOUR PARTICIPATION MAY BE NECESSARY.

>> KNOW CONFLICT AND MAY BE NECESSARY.

>> WHAT CHAPTER ARE WE REFERENCING TO FOR THE CONFLICT

OF INTEREST? JUST TO BE CLEAR. >> 171.

>> 171 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.

>> FROM A PROCEDURAL QUESTION, ONCE WE VOTE AND APPROVE THIS, DOES IT GO BACK TO THE BOARD AND THEY APPROVE OUR CHANGES? OR WE MADE THESE CHANGES, IT IS DONE AND HOW DOES THAT WORK?

>> YOU SHOULD MAKE YOUR EMOTIONS TO SEND BACK TO THE BOARD FOR THEM TO MAKE THE CHANGES. THEN IT HAS TO GO BACK TO YOU TO

APPROVE. >> MAY I PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT? TAKE OUT THE WORDS OTHER THAN THE BOARD. FOR A PERSON TO BE ELIGIBLE TO ATTEND EXECUTIVE SESSION. THEY MUST NOT HAVE A

[02:45:03]

CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THAT IS MY MOTION.

>> TAKE OUT OTHER THAN THE BOARD?

>> START OFF WITH FOR A PERSON TO BE ELIGIBLE.

>> I AGREE WITH THAT. >> THAT SOLVED MY ISSUE WITH SALES-TAX AND CONFLICT THAT I HAVE. THAT SOLVED MY ISSUE POTENTIALLY WITH THE OTHER DEAL. AS LONG AS I SEE PEOPLE OUTSIDE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND I AM INSIDE, POTENTIALLY UNLESS I

HAVE A CONFLICT. >> TAKING OUT OTHER THAN THE BOARD WOULD ESSENTIALLY EXCLUDE ANY BOARD MEMBER FROM POTENTIALLY GOING BACK THERE. IF THEY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AS DEFINED BY CHAPTER 171 AND THEY SHOULD.

>> SO IT IS NOT A PROBLEM. >> IT MAY START BEING A PROBLEM.

>> HAVING IT IN WRITING, THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.

>> SO FOR THIS LINE, IT SHOULD SAY FOR A PERSON TO BE ELIGIBLE TO ATTEND EXECUTIVE SESSION, THEY MUST HAVE NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST AS DEFINED BY CHAPTER 171.

>> BUT THEY NEED TO BE ON THE BOARD.

>> AND THEIR PARTICIPATION MAY BE NECESSARY TO DELIVER. BUT IF YOU HAVE A CONFLICT YOU NEED TO RECUSE YOURSELF AND YOU CAN'T

GO BACK IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. >> ARE WE SAYING THAT WE ARE PUTTING MEMBERS ON THE EDC BOARD THAT WE DON'T TRUST THAT THEY WOULD ALREADY RECUSE THEMSELVES?

>> IT IS JUST A BYLAW RULE. >> WE HAVE PUT PEOPLE ON THEIR WHO HAVE NOT RECUSED THEMSELVES. AND SO CALL IT TRUST, CALL IT WHATEVER. WE HAVE LEGAL ISSUES IN THE CITY WITH AN ENTITY THAT PEOPLE SERVE. SO I THINK THERE ARE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. TO GIVE PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT OF A PAUSE. MAYBE HE'S GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A THING THERE, MAYBE YOU SHOULD SIT THIS ONE OUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUYING A BUILDING DOWNTOWN. IT'S NOT WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO. IT'S MORE WHAT YOU SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T. MAYBE THAT IS ETHICS TOO. SHOULD YOU BE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE FINANCIALLY OR A PERSON THAT YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT INTEREST IN. THINGS LIKE THAT. THE COUNCIL COULD ALWAYS TAKE THE DECISION. I CAN'T GET ANYTHING PAST A PEER.

BUT I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED TO WAIT ON THIS BUT SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT IT TONIGHT, PRETTY GOOD COMPROMISE TO WHERE IT SOLVES A LOT OF THE CONCERNS. THE MOTION THAT I UNDERSTAND IS WE ARE PROVING AS PRESENTED, THEN SEND BACK THE CHANGES TO THE EDC WE STRIKE OUT OTHER THAN THE BOARD WE SAY FOR A PERSON TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION THEY MUST NOT HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, WHATEVER IT IS IN CHAPTER 171. AND MAY BE

NECESSARY. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> I HAD A RECOMMENDATION. AND IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP IN YOUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LIAISON. I THINK YOU SHOULD STRIKE THE SECTION 211 ROLE OF COUNSEL LIAISONS. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU APPOINT A LIAISON TO THE BOARD OTHER THAN YOUR COUNCILMEMBERS WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ALL THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS NECESSARY.

>> BASED ON THE CHANGES WE MAY DO, YOU WANT TO KNOW YOU CAN

[02:50:01]

JUST GO BACK THERE. >> I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE ROLE OF A COUNCIL LIAISON. I FEEL LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL HAS NOT DEFINED ANYTHING. SO WHENEVER IT IS NOT PUT IN WORDS THERE IS NO EXPECTATION. I FEEL LIKE HAVING WORDS IN THE BYLAWS CREATES AN EXPECTATION. WE CAN HOLD THAT PERSON ACCOUNTABLE. FOR BEING

THE LIAISON. >> THIS IS FORMAL RECOGNITION OF BASICALLY A REQUEST FOR A RECOGNIZED CONNECTION BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL AND THE EDC. COMMUNICATE. THIS IS ANOTHER MEANS OF JOINT COMMUNICATION AND JOINT COLLABORATION THAT THE EDC IS PUTTING IN THEIR BYLAWS TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WANT.

>> BUT IT REALLY CONFLICTS WITH WHAT YOU HAVE AS YOUR LIAISON DUTIES IN THE COUNCIL PROTOCOLS. IT WOULD BE BETTER IF YOU ARE GOING TO SAY THAT THE BOARD MEMBER WHO IS ALSO A COUNCILMEMBER MICHELLE FOLLOW THE PROTOCOLS OF LIAISON.

>> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM DEFINING. FROM THE EDC POINT OF VIEW. THIS IS THEIR BYLAWS. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I AM NOT CHANGING THE MOTION. WE CAN CALL THE VOTE.

>> I AGREE. >> TO EVEN HAVE LIAISONS IN HERE ANYMORE. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE STRUCK IT.

>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WE STILL HAVE THE LIAISONS BUT WE'VE HAD A WORKSHOP OR TO WHERE WE HAVE NOT CLEARLY DEFINED WHAT WE WANT THE ROLE OF A COUNCILMEMBER TO BE TO THOSE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE ARE DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS.

>> AND DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF WHAT YOU NEED.

>> WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE PROTOCOL. WE JUST DECIDED WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHO IS GOING TO BE THE LIAISON, WE ARE JUST NOT GOING TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW. AND WE JUST SAID NO LIAISONS WERE ASSIGNED. I THINK WE HAVE A PROCESS WHERE WE COULD BUT WE JUST SAID WE ARE NOT GOING TO ASSIGN ANY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE COULDN'T AGREE ON IT.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> THE MOTION IS JUST TO 10.

OKAY. >> PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON. COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON.

COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD. MAYOR SNYDER.

>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. >> IN QUEUE. HOPE YOU HAVE A

GOOD NIGHT. >> SEE YOU GUYS SOON.

>> DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO THE CONCEPTUAL MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS ATX LEGACY PARK LOCATED NORTH OF LIMMER LOOP NEAR LIMMER LOOP AND HIGHWAY 79 INTERSECTION.

>> THE REASON I ASK THIS TO BE, THEY GAVE A REASON TATIAN LAST MONTH. AND WE COULDN'T TAKE ANY ACTION THE WAY IT WAS. I HAVE DIRECTED STAFF IN THAT MEETING THAT I WANTED TO COME BACK FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ACTION BECAUSE THE CITY LEGALLY CAN'T MOVE FORWARD ON TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING OUTSIDE THE AREA BASED ON THE DECISION BE RELEASED IN OCTOBER. WITHOUT COUNCIL ACTIONS. AND SO I WANTED THIS ONE TO COME UP SO WE COULD THUMBS-UP OR THUMBS DOWN IT SO CITY STAFF COULD BE FREED TO WORK ON IT. I WILL HAVE THEM PRESENT MORE. MY UNDERSTANDING AFTER TALKING WITH THE CITY ENGINEER THAT WHEN WE GOT OUR WATER UPDATE OF THAT HAVE BEEN USED AND TAKEN DOWN AND ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR, THIS WAS ONE OF THE ONES INCLUDED IN THAT ORIGINAL NUMBER. SO FOR THE PUBLIC SAYING YOU ARE TAKING DOWN MORE WATER THAN WE HAVE, THIS ONE WAS ALREADY INCLUDED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T TAKE ACTION UNTIL OCTOBER AND THIS HAS BEEN IN PROCESS AND PREDATED THAT CHANGE IN COUNSEL IN OCTOBER AFTER WE GOT THE NEWS ABOUT THE OTHER WATER ISSUES. ANYWAYS. WE

CAN GO WITH THAT. >> AMANDA BROWN, I AM JOINING

[02:55:05]

VIRTUALLY. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?

>> YES. >> AMANDA BROWN, HD BROWN CONSULTING. I APOLOGIZE I'M NOT ABLE TO BE THERE THIS EVENING.

AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT. I KNOW THAT THE LAST TIME WE WERE IN FRONT OF COUNSEL THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WANTING MORE SPECIFICS ABOUT WHAT DOES THIS PROJECT LOOK LIKE IF WE ARE NOT ANNEXED INTO THE CITY? I WANTED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. AS YOU GUYS KNOW WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF. WE WANT TO FULLY ANNEX INTO, WE ARE CURRENTLY IN A TJ AND WOULD LIKE TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY OF HUTTO.

AND AS WELL. IF WE ARE UNABLE TO DO THAT, WE DO HAVE A PLAN B WHICH IS OF WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IN MORE DETAIL. NOT JUST FROM A UTILITY PERSPECTIVE BUT ALSO FROM SORT OF A REGULATORY DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE. SO THIS LAND IS NOT UNDER CONTRACT. THE DEVELOPERS OF THIS LAND CURRENTLY OWN IT.

AND IT WILL BE DEVELOPED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. UNDER THE SCENARIO REMAINING THAT WOULD INCLUDE A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT ON SITE, THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE JONAH IMPROVEMENTS AS WE ARE CURRENTLY. WE DID RUN SOME NUMBERS TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THE APPLICATIONS ARE FROM UTILITY PERSPECTIVE AND YOU CAN SEE THE COLUMN IS THE CITY OF HUTTO WASTEWATER IMPACT AND ON-SITE IMPROVEMENT AND THEN TO THE RIGHT IS THE PLAN B WHICH WOULD BE THE WASTEWATER IMPACT FOR THE ON-SITE DISCHARGE PERMIT AND ESTIMATE FOR THAT AND WHAT THE WATER IMPACT FEES WOULD BE TO CONSTRUCT THE JONAH IMPROVEMENT. THEY ARE VERY SIMILAR AND I THINK THE POINT OF THIS EXERCISE IS TO REALLY SHOW THE VIABILITY OF GETTING UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE TO THIS SITE WITHOUT HUTTO. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT IDEAL. OUR PREFERENCE IS HUTTO BUT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE COMPARISONS. ON TOP OF THAT FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDARD STANDPOINT, IF WE REMAIN IN THE ET J THE CITY WILL HAVE NO DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AT ALL.

THERE IS NO LAND-USE, THERE WOULD BE NO ZONING REQUIREMENTS, WE COULD KIND OF BUILD WHATEVER USE WE WANTED TO ANY HEIGHT THAT WE WANTED AS WELL. AND WE ARE COMING BEFORE COUNSEL HOPEFULLY IN THE NEAR FUTURE WITH A VERY DETAILED THAT REQUIRES URBAN STYLE RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL USES, OFFICE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THEN THE FINAL THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS THE TRANSPORTATION. IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING AND UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS, WE DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS. IN THE CITY OF HUTTO, THE NORTH-SOUTH ROAD AND EXTENSION GO THROUGH OUR SITE. AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO DEDICATE RIGHT AWAY FOR LIMMER LOOP AND DEDICATE AND CONSTRUCT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE NORTH AND IMPROVE WITH SIDEWALKS AND TREES THE NORTH-SOUTH ROAD. THAT IS IN THE CITY OF HUTTO TRANSPORTATION PLAN. THE MAP THAT YOU SEE ON HERE IS THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY TRANSPORTATION PLAN OUTSIDE OF OUR PROPERTY. WE WOULDN'T BE OBLIGATED TO CONSTRUCT OR DEDICATE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. IS OUR UNDERSTANDING. AND SO FOR US WE FEEL LIKE IT REALLY IS A WIN-WIN BOTH FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, MY CLIENT, THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE CITY ON MANY FRONTS INCLUDING DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND UTILITIES. WE HAVE CONFIRMED THIS, THIS SITE WAS IN THE WATER STUDY, THE CITY HAS PLANNED FOR THIS SITE TO DEVELOP. THE CITY OF HUTTO HAS PLANNED TO SERVE THIS SITE. WE HAVE AN APPROVED.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD POP OVER TO SLIDE. THE CITY OF

[03:00:05]

HUTTO HAS A WATER LINE THAT GOES DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY THAT IS CURRENTLY IN EXISTENCE. SO THERE IS NO OFF-SITE EXPANSION OF ANY WATER LINES THAT WILL BE REQUIRED.

I'M SORRY I'M NOT THERE IN PERSON. BUT THE DEVELOPER IS THERE IN THE ROOM IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AS WELL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PULLING THAT UP. THAT BLUE LINE IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY IS A CITY OF HUTTO WATERLINE. THAT WE WOULD TIE INTO IF WE WERE TO BE ABLE TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND WE ARE

AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER ONE? PLAN B. YOU ARE ASSUMING 250 BUT THAT IS ALMOST DOUBLE THE AMOUNT. IF THE SCOPE GOING TO BE 250? YOU MENTIONED 250 BUT THEN YOU HAVE 587 IN THE REQUEST. SO JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. THAT IS A BIG DISCONNECT.

>> AS WE HAVE CONTINUED TO WORK THROUGH AND REFINE THIS PROCESS, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A YEAR AND A HALF SO A LOT HAS EVOLVED. THE NUMBERS OF LUE'S IS.

>> I CAN PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION HERE. WITH ATX CAPITAL. THE REASON WHY THE AMOUNT IS SO DIFFERENT IS BECAUSE ON THE PLAN B SCENARIO IN ORDER TO KEEP A LOT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE LOWER WE WERE ESSENTIALLY FORGOING THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT WHICH IS WHAT TAKES UP A LARGE PORTION OF THE LUE'S AND MOSTLY BE DEVELOPING INDUSTRIAL.

>> MORE TO AN INDUSTRIAL PROJECT.

>> IF WE ARE NOT ABLE TO GET WATER FROM THE CITY OF HUTTO IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO SIMPLY DO INDUSTRIAL. IF WE ARE ABLE TO GET WATER FROM THE CITY OF HUTTO OUR BEST CASE SCENARIO IS TO DO RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL WHICH WOULD REQUIRE MORE LUE'S.

>> STILL INCLUDED IN THE REQUEST. THE OTHER THING IS NOT MENTIONING HIS TRAFFIC IMPACT. BUT . I'VE GOT A QUESTION. IN THE SPIRIT OF COOPERATION WITH JONAH, WHAT HAS OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH JONAH BEEN SO FAR?

>> SO, I HAVEN'T HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH JONAH ABOUT US TAKING OVER. EVERY TIME ONE OF THESE PROJECTS HAS COME IN, I TOLD THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND ENGINEERING TEAM THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET INTO AN ADVERSARIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH JONAH. THEY HAVE TO REQUEST THE RELEASE, JONAH HAS TO APPROVE IT AND THEY HAVE TO ASK YOU GUYS TO BE JOINED INTO OUR. SO THIS VOTE IS YES, I HAVEN'T SEEN ALL THE DOCUMENTATION BEHIND THIS.

>> FROM THE CITY SIDE. >> I WOULD SAY YOU WOULD MAKE A MOTION YOU WOULDN'T ACCEPT UNLESS JONAH VOLUNTARILY

ACCEPTED. >> WE ARE NOT ABLE TO LEGALLY PROVIDE THEM SERVICE UNTIL JONAH RELEASES THEM. I COULDN'T EVEN APPROVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY HAVE TO BUILD BECAUSE THAT LINE THAT YOU SAW THAT SHOULD THE PURPLE LINE AROUND THE PROJECT, I CAN'T EVEN APPROVE THEM TAPPING INTO OUR LINE

WITHOUT JONAH RELEASING THEM. >> I KNOW. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THE CITY ALL OF A SUDDEN TOOK A VOTE AND WE HEARD HUTTO IS OUT OF WATER. I WOULD BE A LITTLE OFFENDED AND SAY WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WE ARE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE. AND YOU JUST ERODED ALL THAT POWER BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE A DEAL.

HAVING BEEN WITH JONAH AND DONE A DEAL WITH JONAH, IT'S NOT THE EASIEST IN THE WORLD. THE REQUEST IS PRETTY MUCH TAKE IT

[03:05:03]

OR LEAVE IT, THERE IS NO NEGOTIATING. SO I COULD SEE WHERE POTENTIALLY IT IS FASTER TO GO TO US. BUT I MEAN. AND I GET YOUR POINT. I GET THE MAYOR PRO TEM'S POINT. WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE WATER THAN WE THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE. BUT THE POINT STILL REMAINS WHETHER IT IS 2028 OR 2029 OR 2030, WE STILL DON'T HAVE THAT WATER FOR OUR OWN CCM. AND BY POINT IS IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC DEAL, IF IT WAS LIKE A GROCERY STORE, YOU GOT ME. IF IT IS JUST I DON'T KNOW, IT'S REALLY TOUGH TO HEAR THIS BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE OUT OF WATER AND I ASSUME IF WE DON'T FIND ANOTHER SUPPLIER, IT SCREWS UP ALL OF OUR PROCESSES.

OUR BUDGETS, OUR BONDS, YOU HAVE ALL THESE BONDS FOR THIS QUOTE.

EVERY DEAL WE DO OUTSIDE OF OUR CCM I HAVE BEEN REALLY STRONGLY AGAINST IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A DIFFERENT PLAN. AND WE WILL START GOING TO STAGE THREE TO KEEP THE DEVELOPMENT GOING AND THEN AT SOME POINT WE JUST STOP. IT HAPPENED AT LIBERTY HILL ALL THE FAST-GROWING AREAS JUST EXCEED. I AM STUCK ON HOW TO HELP YOU GUYS BECAUSE THERE IS A GREAT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER, 600,000 FEET OF RETAIL AND COME BACK WHEN YOU FIND SOME WATER. BUT WHAT WE DID SAY, IF YOU CAN FIND A SUPPLIER IN A DIFFERENT AREA, AND WE ARE JUST TREATING WATER SUPPLY ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN TO THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, THAT IS

SOMETHING WE WOULD LOOK AT. >> THAT WAS A BIGGER

DEVELOPMENT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. OUT THERE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF LAND-USE SUGGESTIONS OR ANYTHING

OUT THERE. IS THAT CORRECT? >> WE HAVE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP BUT THAT IS NOT REGULATED. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY TYPE OF

ZONING. >> AND ALSO YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF. IS THAT

CORRECT? >> WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF FOR A WHILE NOW. WE HAVE DONE THE JOB OF TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE OUR SITE PLANS THAT ALIGNS WELL WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE SEEING HERE.

>> CAN WE GO TO THE MORE SPECIFIC HOW YOU HAVE IT LAID OUT WITH THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL? SELF OF THE FUTURE LIMMER WOULD BE INDUSTRIAL. AND THEN NORTH WOULD BE.

>> CORRECT. THAT IS THE SITE PLAN INCLUDED IN OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT APPLICATION. THE CITY OF HUTTO.

>> THIS IS THE CURRENT ONE YOU WOULD GO WITH.

>> CORRECT. THIS HAS GONE THROUGH MULTIPLE ITERATIONS WITH CITY STAFF. WE INCREASED THE SIZE OF RETAIL. AND ALSO MADE THE MULTIFAMILY LOOK A LOT MORE URBAN TO ALSO ALIGN WITH WHAT

THE CITY WANTS TO SEE. >> IS THIS INCLUDING 5.2 ACRES FOR THE FUTURE EXTENSION? IS THIS SHOWING THAT?

>> CORRECT. IT'S 5.2 ACRES THAT WE WOULD BE DEDICATING TO THE

CITY. >> OKAY.

>> THE ONLY THING YOU ARE BUILDING IS THE TRADE ON SELF.

>> ECHOES SOUTH. >> THE ENTIRE NORTH TO SOUTH WE

WOULD BE BUILDING. >> WHAT HAVE YOUR CONVERSATIONS

BEEN? >> WHERE ARE YOU AT WITH JONAH? AND THEN WHAT IS THE TIMELINE OF THAT?

[03:10:03]

>> WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH JONAH BUT BEFORE WE TOOK ACTUAL STEPS TOWARD THAT WE WANTED TO FORESEE IF THIS WAS A VIABLE OPTION. WE STILL NEED TO KEEP A VIABLE PLAN B. THIS WAS OUR FIRST STEP IN THAT PROCESS.

>> JUST EXPLORATORY WITH JONAH.

>> CORRECT. >> WHAT IS THE TIMELINE ON

SERVICE TO THIS AREA. >> 2027. IN ABOUT TWO YEARS.

>> AND HOW QUICKLY ARE YOU WANTING TO DEVELOP THIS AREA?

>> PROBABLY 18 MONTHS. END OF 2026. WOULD BE OUR BEST CASE

SCENARIO. >> I LIKE THAT THE INDUSTRIAL IS THERE. I THINK IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE RED ACROSS 79. THAT

MAKES SENSE. AND THEN. >> THE 5.2 ACRES FOR THE EXPANSION. I THINK THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LONG-TERM PLANNING. AND THEN UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. I THINK THAT GOES A LONG WAY AS WELL.

>> SO THE ROAD THAT IS THE FUTURE LIMMER DOWN TO THE CURRENT LIMMER. IS THAT A TWO LANE ROAD OR WITH A TURN LANE? OR WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THOSE DETAILS YET.

>> CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD?

>> JAKE WITH ATX CAPITAL. >> WHAT DOES THAT BREAK DOWN TO?

>> ONE DIRECTION WITH THE CENTER TURN LANE.

>> TYPICAL. >> AND THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

>> YOU HAVE A MAP OF THE WATER LINE. IT IS 9000 FEET.

>> CORRECT. FROM THE 101 QUARTER LOOP.

>> ANYTIME I FELT LIKE IT WAS INEVITABLE IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, ANNEX IN AND DO IT. WHEN I DON'T THINK IT'S POSSIBLE OR REALLY TOUGH, THEN I HAVE TAKEN THE POSITION THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 9000 FEET AND FIVE PARCELS. HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO RUN WASTEWATER. EVERYONE WANTS TO GET THAT DONE. FOR AN INTERSECTION AND ANOTHER SIX MONTHS TO GET THAT. I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE, I KNOW IT IS THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG BUT I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE TO GO WORK IT OUT WITH JONAH 1ST. IF WE WANT TO DO THAT, TO ME I THINK WE ARE STARTING CREATING A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM THAT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE. AND THAT IS WE ARE OVER HERE MAKING DECISIONS AND I THINK THEY PRESSURE YOU TO BUILD 9000 FEET OF LINE AND IT'S A PAIN AND THERE IS A LANDOWNER THAT JUST UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL NOT ALLOW IT TO GO THROUGH THERE. THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO WORK OUT FIRST. ALL THAT STUFF SO I CAN TAKE A VOTE AND THEN GO TO JONAH. WE DID THIS ONCE BEFORE. AND THEY WEREN'T REALLY HAPPY THAT WE TOOK A VOTE TO BASICALLY ANNEX LAND INTO OURS.

THAT MADE THEM EVEN MORE SAD. THEY ARE REALLY FIRED UP AT THE MOMENT. SO I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH JONAH BECAUSE WE GET WATER FROM THEM. WE NEED TO HAVE LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIPS TO GET MORE WATER. BUT FOR ME, IF YOU CAN WORK OUT I AM HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU ALL AND HIS PEOPLE. BUT IF YOU ALL

[03:15:01]

ARE ABLE TO FIGURE A WAY OUT WHERE WE ARE GIVING UP CCN SOMEWHERE ELSE AND THEY CAN SUPPLY WHERE WE ARE DOING SOMETHING WITH OUR AGREEMENTS TO WHERE THEY SEE THAT IS BENEFICIAL, PERSONALLY I AM NOT ON BOARD. BUT IF YOU NEED TO VOTE RIGHT NOW, I AM NOT GOING TO GO AGAINST JONAH. I HATE THE WORD IS SOVEREIGN, BUT THEY HAVE A SOVEREIGN CCN THAT THEY REALLY HAVE THE RIGHTS TO IT. YOU ARE DRAGGING A 9000 FOOT LINE. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO FIND A WAY TO ANNEX YOU. I STILL THINK THERE IS A WAY TO WORK WITH PEOPLE AS YOU GET YOUR WATER. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE AT A POINT FOR ME TO SAY THIS IS TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. I THINK THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE LIKE YOU GUYS DEVELOP ALL THAT INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL AND WE ARE ABANDONING THAT IN THE LIMMER LOOP LONG-TERM. THE CURRENT ONE. IT STAYS AT AN

ANGLE. >> WE JUST TIE INTO IT AND CONNECT. THE ONE THAT GOES AT AN ANGLE AT 79 STAYS IN THE PLAN.

BUT THE NEW LIMMER LOOP GOES ALL THE WAY OUT TO 101.

>> ANYWAY. >> CAN WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS? IF WE DON'T DO THIS WHAT HAPPENS? ESSENTIALLY OUR DEVELOPMENT WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER BECAUSE WE WILL NEED TO GET THOSE EASEMENTS, WAIT UNTIL 2027 BEFORE JONAH CAN SERVICE US WITH WATER. BUT TWO YEARS WILL COME BY BEFORE WE KNOW IT AND PLAN B IS A VERY VIABLE OPTION AT THE END OF THE DAY. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST FROM INDUSTRIAL DATA CENTER DEVELOPERS, WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF DIFFERENT INQUIRIES. IT'S NOT A PREFERRED OPTION AND YES, IT'S GOING TO GO WITH SOME HEADACHES FOR SURE. BUT IT WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE FOR US IF WE AREN'T ABLE TO GET WATER SERVICE FROM THE CITY OF HUTTO.

>> HOW MANY ACRES IS IT? >> 94 ACRES.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD TAKE THIS APPROACH AS A PHASED APPROACH. THIS IS ME BEING ON BOTH SIDES. I LIKE THE INDUSTRIAL PART, I FEEL LIKE WE COULD SERVE THAT PART NO PROBLEM. I'D BE WILLING TO DO THAT. I'M UNSURE ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL. BUT I KNOW THAT'S SPLITTING IT 50-50. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE TRYING TO MOVE ON THE RESIDENTIAL QUICKER THAN INDUSTRIAL OR VICE VERSA. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP QUICKER. BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE JUST IS NOT THERE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL. IT IS THERE FOR THE INDUSTRIAL TO SUPPORT THAT. AND I WOULD SUPPORT CITY WATER SERVICES FOR THAT.

SOUTHERN PORTION. AND THE COMMERCIAL PORTION AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN NEGOTIATE OR THAT IS TOO MIDDLE-OF-THE-ROAD. BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. RESIDENTIAL LATER ON IN THE DEVELOPMENT AS YOU FIGURE THINGS OUT WITH JONAH

POTENTIALLY. >> AMANDA BROWN. HD BROWN CONSULTING. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT TONIGHT'S VOTE IS REALLY TO JUST ALLOW US TO KIND OF CONTINUE TO MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS, IT IS NOT AN APPROVAL OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND I THINK WE CAN DEFINITELY CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT A POTENTIAL PHASING OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE

[03:20:05]

LINES. >> MY ONLY ISSUE WITH THAT IS PARAPHRASING WHAT I'VE HEARD AND WHAT I FELT I HAVE HEARD FROM THE COUNCIL IF IS WE HAVE BEEN TALKING TO STAFF AND THEN IT'S LIKE WE FEEL LIKE WE OWE YOU. AND I DON'T WANT TO STRING YOU ALONG. I WOULD RATHER TABLE THIS. AND NOT VOTE TONIGHT AND HAVE MEETINGS WITH JONAH TO WHERE WE ARE NOT UPSETTING THEM BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE MAY SAY YESTERDAY AND MONTHS FROM NOW WE MAY TELL YOU NO AND YOU JUST SPEND ANOTHER TWO MONTHS DOING THINGS. OR WE SAY NO TODAY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE IS A DEAL TO BE WORKED OUT. THAT'S MY PREFERRED. YOU GUYS CAN SAY WE WOULD PREFER A VOTE TONIGHT. IF I VOTE TONIGHT, I VOTE NO. I WILL STILL HELP YOU BECAUSE I HELP EVERYBODY. BUT IF I GOT A MONTH OR TWO AND SIT DOWN WITH JONAH AND ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO GET MAD ABOUT THIS? I WOULD CHANGE NO TO A GUESS IF WE FIND A WAY TO GET WATER SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE SYSTEM. IF WE GIVE YOU 250, I NEED 250 BACK FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. IF YOU GO TO THE GROCERY STORE, I WOULD GIVE YOU 300 BECAUSE THAT IS A CHECKBOX LIST. I GOT YOU INDUSTRIAL, THEY ARE FIRED UP. IF WE DO A BUNCH MORE INDUSTRIAL, THEY'RE GOING TO DRAG US OUT OF HERE. SO TRYING TO FIND A COMPROMISE. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A VOTE TONIGHT

OR CAN YOU WAIT A LITTLE? >> IF WE DO A VOTE TONIGHT, WE WOULD STILL TAKE THAT APPROACH OF TRYING TO WORK IT OUT WITH JONAH AND HAVE AN AMICABLE RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A VOTE TONIGHT. TO BE ABLE TO AT LEAST CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION DEEPER WITH STAFF AND CONTINUING TO TAKE NEXT STEPS AS OPPOSED TO TABLING THE CONVERSATION.

>> CONTINUE CONVERSATION WITH STAFF AT YOUR RISK.

>> CORRECT. >> THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY WAS WHEN THEY MENTIONED IF THEY GO FULL INDUSTRIAL WITH THAT MANY ACRES, IF THEY THINK THEY GET A DATA CENTER THERE, BECAUSE THERE IS A SUBSTATION LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET. IF YOU DON'T BRING INTO THE CITY, THEN THERE WOULD BE A BIG INTEREST OF YOU COULD GET A LARGE DATA CENTER THAT IS A HUGE TAX REVENUE. AND YOU WOULD BE GOING, YOU ARE THE PERSON WHO VOTED TO LET A $10 BILLION BILL GO AWAY.

>> THEY CAN'T EVEN BUILD THEIR DATA CENTER. 2028 IS THE EARLIEST. YOU'VE GOT THE GUYS. JAMIE AND THEM. THEY GOT A DATA CENTER BUT THEY CAN'T GET TITAN HAS A DATA CENTER THAT THEY CAN'T GET. IT IS A SERIOUS ISSUE GETTING POWER OUT HERE. A DATA CENTER WILL DRAG YOU ALONG FOR TWO YEARS.

>> WE ARE NOT PLANNING ON A DATA CENTER. WE HAVE HAD INQUIRIES BUT WE HAVEN'T GONE THAT ROUTE YET BECAUSE IT IS NOT OUR

PREFERRED ROUTE. >> THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET YOU THE ANSWER. EVERYONE IS ON HOLD. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT IS NOT THE INFRASTRUCTURE, I'VE HAD MEETINGS ABOUT IT. I MEANT

TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND. >> OR MAKE A DEAL WITH THE

GENERATOR. >> THERE IS A GUY THAT WANTS TO BUILD A BILLION-DOLLAR POWERPLANT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY. BECAUSE THAT IS CHEAPER AND QUICKER THAN THE ALTERNATIVE. BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU. THAT'S WHY I'VE DONE SO MUCH TO GO HOW DO WE WORK TOGETHER.

>> WE WORK HARD TO PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING FOR. WE REALLY DO THINK THIS IS A WIN-WIN. WE ARE NOT PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT IS OVERLY AGGRESSIVE BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A GREAT ALTERNATIVE AS A PLAN B.

AND HONESTLY WE WOULD RATHER DEVELOP HERE WHAT WE ARE SHOWING

[03:25:03]

TODAY, RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL THAN A DATA CENTER OR INDUSTRIAL. IT WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER PROJECT FOR US.

>> DO WE HAVE ACTION FOR THIS? >> WHAT VOTE ARE YOU EXPECTING TONIGHT? WHAT ARE YOU WANTING US TO DO?

>> I DON'T SEE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN HERE. ARE YOU NOT ASKING US TO APPROVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, YOU ARE NOT ASKING US TO FORMALIZE ANYTHING?

>> COUNCILMEMBER GORDON, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. WHO PUT ON THE AGENDA.

>> IS IT TO APPROVE PLAN A? >> MY THOUGHT WAS THAT WE WOULD PUT SOME LANGUAGE SO IT IS NOT ADVERSARIAL TO JONAH BUT THAT THEY HAVE TO TRY TO GET THE 587 GOING FOR THE DEAL WITH JONAH BUT THEN IF IT DOESN'T MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE THAT WE UNDERSTAND 587 IS ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR IN ALL OF OUR PLANS FROM THE CITY. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE ARE GIVING UP. THEY WOULD IMMEDIATELY HAVE TO GET THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND NEEDS FOR THAT WATER WHICH WOULD ALSO HELP. BECAUSE THERE IS ALL THIS WATER THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR. AND SO GETTING SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY PART OF THE PLAN FOR OUR FINANCING THAT WE ALREADY HAD ACCOUNTED FOR SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE FOR ME. IF YOU LET THEM DRAW THAT WATER LINE ACROSS, THEN PROBABLY BETWEEN THIS POINT ALL THE WAY TO 3349 YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANNEX INTO THE CITY. YOU ARE NOT JUST LOSING THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU ARE LOSING ALL OF THE OTHER ONES. SO THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DEVELOP OVERNIGHT, BUT I FEEL IT'S SHORTSIGHTED TO JUST SAY GO DO THAT. ONCE THEY DRAW THAT LINE, WHY WOULD ANY OTHERS?

>> WHERE I AM AT, I AM AT A YES IF. I AM OPEN TO THIS IF JONAH SAYS NO WAY WE ARE GOING TO SERVE YOU. BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER FROM JONAH YET. YOU HAVE NOT

EVEN APPROACHED JONAH. >> THEY CAN SERVICE BY 2027. ONE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED.

>> THEY ARE SAYING WE CAN SERVE YOU UP TO THAT 250 LUE'S BY 2027 2028 IF YOU SPEND 2 MILLION+ DOLLARS RUNNING THE LINE TO THEM. YOU CAN SERVE THAT MONEY AND WE CAN SERVE YOU.

>> THAT DOESN'T FIT YOUR TIMELINE OF 2026.

>> CORRECT. >> AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH JONAH AROUND THESE FROM THEIR CCN BECAUSE BEFORE WE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS WE WANTED TO MAKE

SURE. >> THAT YOU HAVE A LANDING SPOT.

>> EXACTLY. THAT WE KNOW FOR CERTAIN.

>> WAS JONAH SAYING 2027 IS OUR BEST AND FINAL OR IS THAT A STARTING POINT WHERE YOU CAN THEN GO BACK AND SAY WE HAVE A PROJECTED TIMELINE OF 2026, IS THAT IN THE REALM OF

POSSIBILITY? >> NO. IF ANYTHING IT WOULD BE PUSHED BACK BEFORE IT IS MOVED FORWARD.

>> THEY ARE ONLY OFFERING YOU 250.

>> NO. IT WOULD BE MORE. IT COULD BE UP TO 600.

>> YOU COULD DO THE 587 PROJECT. WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT IT NEEDS TO BE PLAN B AND B INDUSTRIAL IF YOU COULD GET THE WATER? YOU HAVE ALREADY PAID TO MOVE IT THERE AND THAT IS THE MORE PROFITABLE PLAN. I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

>> AT THAT POINT WE WOULD BE DOING A WASTEWATER TREATMENT

PLANT. >> IT WOULD BE MORE LIKE A $10

MILLION TREATMENT PLAN. >> THE ECONOMICS JUST MAKES SENSE. LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES SO MANY OF YOU IS.

>> BUT THE QUESTION I HAVE IS WHAT IF YOU LOOK AT A DIFFERENT WAY? YOU GET THE WATER FROM JONAH BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE 600

[03:30:01]

BUT THEN YOU ARE GOING TO TIE INTO OUR WASTEWATER LINE ANYWAYS. AND YOU GET INTO OUR WASTEWATER LINE, THEREFORE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD THE PLAN. WE DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE YOU THE WATER AND YOU STILL HAVE ANNEX INTO THE CITY.

>> THAT SAVES A LOT OUT A YEAR. >> THE CAVEAT WITH JONAH IS THAT 2027 IF THE INFRASTRUCTURE RUNNING DOWN 101 IS THERE AT THAT POINT. WHICH THEY CAN'T COMMIT TO.

>> THAT STILL DOESN'T FIT YOUR TIMELINE.

>> NO. IT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKE 2028 OR 2029 REALISTICALLY.

>> HOW MANY LUE'S IS PLAN A? >> IT ENDED UP BEING 650. 650 PLAN A. AND THEN REDUCED TO 250 FOR THE MODIFIED LAND USES.

>> MY QUESTION IS IF PLAN A IS PREFERABLE, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WE COULD GIVE YOU A VOTE TONIGHT SAYING WE WILL PROVIDE WASTEWATER SERVICE AND YOU GO WORK WITH JONAH AND IF THEY CAN'T GET THE WATER OR JUST FORGET IT, WE WILL BE WILLING TO LET YOU OUT. IF JONAH ISN'T HUNG UP, THAT WE'VE GOT THE CONCERNS THAT YOU CAN GO WITH PLAN A. WE KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY. AND WE HAVEN'T JUST ARBITRARILY TICKED OFF A REGIONAL PARTNER THAT WE NEED TO PARTNER WITH.

>> I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR US TO POTENTIALLY INVOLVE THE COUNTER COUNSEL OR THE MAYOR. THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE. OUR OPTION A IS TO GET WATER FROM HUTTO. AND THERE COULD BE A SCENARIO OR A VOTE WHERE WE SAY HUTTO WILL SERVICE WITH WATER IF WE ARE ABLE TO SECURE A RELEASE FROM JONAH.

>> I AM GOOD WITH EVERYTHING BUT THE LAST PART. IT IS GETTING THE CART AHEAD OF THE HORSE BECAUSE I WOULD SHARE WITH YOU , IT SHOULD BE A PUBLIC DOCUMENT. WE FUNDED LINES OF AN ABOVEGROUND TANK AND ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE. IT WAS EXPENSIVE. WELL OVER 1 MILLION FOR OUR SHARE. SO JONAH IS NOT UNREASONABLE. IT SEEMS UNREASONABLE AT TIMES BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PAY YOUR SHARES.

START PAYING WATER RESERVATION FEES AND PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE.

BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM SITTING DOWN. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PAYING WE'LL GIVE YOU WASTEWATER, YOU DON'T WANT TO DO A PACKAGE PLAN. THE STAFF HAS HEARD ME SAY IT, THERE'S THREE THINGS PEOPLE LOVE TO DO IN HUTTO. THEY LOVE TO EAT, THEY LOVE TO DRINK AND THEY LEFT TO FIGHT. AND THEY DON'T WANT 45,000 PEOPLE FIGHTING YOU GUYS. OR FIGHTING AMONG OURSELVES AND FIGHTING STAFF. WE HAD A VOTE EARLIER THAT PUBLIC HEARING, NOW THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO A PACKAGE PLANT. IT'S EASIER, IT'S FASTER AND WE'VE GOT OTHER THINGS WE CAN WORK ON. WE WILL GIVE YOU WASTEWATER. WE CAN START PLANNING THAT AND GOING DOWN THAT ROUTE. BUT FOR ME ONCE WE START SAYING IF THEY DON'T GIVE WATER, THE FIRST THING THEY'RE GOING TO TELL YOU IS NO. THAT IS THE FIRST THING THAT JOHN ALWAYS HAS. YOU SAY YOU CAN'T BUBBLE WOULD IT REALLY TAKE? WE JUST HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT. IT'S BENEFICIAL FOR US TO GET WATER. AND IT'S BENEFICIAL FOR US TO WORK WITH JONAH THAT WILL SUPPLY WASTEWATER WITHOUT

[03:35:04]

HAVING TO DO A PACKAGE PLANT. >> I AGREE WITH THAT. MULLING THIS OVER AND WHAT YOU AND COUNCILMEMBER CLARK SAID I AGREE WITH A LOT OF IT. THERE IS NO REASON TO TIE THE WASTEWATER TO THE WATER. AND IF THE CONCERN IS WANTING TO DEVELOP AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN, HAVING A CONTESTED PACKAGE PLANT THAT IS BEING FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL IS NOT GOING TO GET YOU THERE FASTER.

AND WE HAVE WASTEWATER CAPACITY. SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM AGREEING TO SERVE WASTEWATER. IT IS THE WATER. AND THEY REALLY WANT YOU TO GO THROUGH JONAH 1ST BEFORE WE TURN AROUND AND TRY TO

COMMIT TO WATER. >> WE HAVE GONE THROUGH JONAH.

THE BEST CASE SCENARIO WHICH WILL BE THE LATEST IS 2027. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE 2028 OR 2029 IF WE ARE BEING REALISTIC.

>> BUT YOU HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH POTENTIAL COOPERATION OR ANYTHING. AND IF THERE IS ANY WAY TO GET IT DIFFERENT RESULT.

IN COOPERATION WITH THE CITY SOMEHOW. SO I DON'T KNOW. IT MIGHT NOT BE POSSIBLE. AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT GIVING UP IF THEY ARE OKAY GIVING IT UP OR THEY THINK THEY WANT TO HOLD ONTO IT. WE WANT TO KNOW HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT BEFORE WE TURN AROUND AND SAY WE'LL GIVE IT TO YOU. THAT'S

THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT. >> WE SAY WE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU WASTEWATER. WE WANT TO BE DONE SOON. BUT IF YOU CAN GET 587 OF THE LEASE THROUGH THE INTERCONNECT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CITY THEN WE ARE GOING TO LET YOU CONNECT TO US. WE TAKE THAT. THEY ARE STILL GETTING WATER.

>> WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IS MAYBE THERE IS A WAY FOR US TO GIVE YOU WATER TEMPORARILY AND A SECOND INTERCONNECT. WE HAVE ONE BUT MAYBE WE ACTUALLY NEED ONE ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN. HOW ABOUT TODAY WE PROVIDE YOU WATER AND WHEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE COMES IN, THEN YOU GO TO JONAH? A SERVICE AGREEMENT OF SOME SORT. THINGS LIKE THAT, WE TEND TO POKE THE BEAR A LOT BUT IF THERE IS A WAY WE CAN WORK WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE BIGGEST CCN AROUND HERE. LET'S WORK WITH THEM.

HAVE A CONVERSATION. HOW DO WE DO THIS IN A MANNER WHERE MAYBE

IT IS A TEMPORARY SOLUTION? >> I LIKE THE TEMPORARY SOLUTION. GOING WITH MY PHASED APPROACH. THEN BY THE TIME YOU ARE PUTTING THE RESIDENTIAL IN, JONAH WILL BE THERE.

>> THEY WANT THEM TO PUT IN THE LINE.

>> WE MAY FIND IT VALUABLE FOR US TO PUT THAT IN. WHEN WE HAVE A WATER BREAK, WE MAY NEED TWO. WE CAN MAYBE FIND AN INTERCONNECT AGREEMENT WITH JONAH.

>> IS 300,000 WHAT IT WOULD COST TO CONNECT HUTTO?

>> IT COST 200 GRAND FOR A VALVE.

>> IS THERE A WAY TO INCORPORATE THE WATER ASPECT INTO THE VOTE? I UNDERSTAND NOT WANTING TO TAKE OFF JONAH. THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME IF WE ARE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH THAT THEN HUTTO WOULD BE OPEN TO SERVING US WITH WATER CONSIDERING WE HAVE BEEN CONTEMPLATING ON THE WATER STUDIES AND WE HAVE A WATER LINE RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY. COULD

THAT MAKE SENSE FOR TONIGHT? >> WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO SERVE THEM IF THEY ARE IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S CCM.

[03:40:03]

>> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE JUST APPROVE WASTEWATER AND THEN GO FORWARD FROM THAT. THAT WOULD BE THE MOTION. WORK ON A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO VOLUNTARILY ANNEX INTO THE CITY AND TO TAKE THE WASTEWATER. WE WOULD PROVIDE WASTEWATER SERVICE. AND CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF WOULD WORK WITH JONAH TO SEE IF THERE IS AN EQUITABLE COOPERATION AND SEE WHAT THAT GETS US. IF THAT MAY NOT BE INTERCONNECT, THEN COUNSEL CAN MAKE A VOTE ABOUT WATER. BUT THAT IS GOING TO BE SATURDAY.

>> THE MOTION IS TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY OF HUTTO, HUTTO PROVIDES WASTEWATER. COUNSEL AND STAFF AGREE TO COOPERATE WITH

JONAH. >> CORRECT. SECOND.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> CAN YOU READ THAT MOTION

AGAIN? >> THE AGREE TO ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY OF HUTTO, THE CITY OF HUTTO PROVIDES WASTEWATER SERVICE AND CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF AGREE TO SUPPORT AND WORK WITH JONAH ON A SOLUTION.

>> DOES THAT MOTION >> END OF 2026 FOR WATER.

OTHERWISE IT IS 2029. THAT ISN'T GOING TO WORK WITH THE BUSINESS MODEL. I WANT TO HAVE A DATE THE WATER HAS TO BE

PROVIDED BY. >> THAT'S FINE. AND OF 2026.

>> THIS IS A REALLY LONG MOTION. SO WE ARE SAYING THAT WE WOULD AGREE TO ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO PROVIDE WASTEWATER TO THE SITE, AND THEN TO WORK WITH JONAH.

>> THEY VOLUNTARILY ANNEX TO WORK WITH CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF TO GET WATER BY THE END OF 2026.

>> IT IS JUST WHAT WE ARE SAYING. WE ARE DIRECTING OUR

STAFF TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS. >> IF YOU DON'T EVER DO IT,

THAT'S FINE. >> AND THEN SO YOU ARE AGREEING TO WORK WITH CITY STAFF AND JONAH TO COME UP WITH A WATER

SOLUTION. >> THEY ARE NOT AGREEING TO

ANYTHING. >> THEY ARE NOT. IT'S PART OF THAT AGREEMENT. THERE IS NO WAY JONAH COULD DO IT BY THAT TIME.

THEN WE TAKE A VOTE THAT SAYS WE ARE GOING TO WORK FOR A

SOLUTION. >> I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING FOR A YEAR AND A HALF. THEY WANT TO ANNEX. THEY WANT WASTEWATER SERVICES FROM THE CITY OF HUTTO. THEY WANT.

>> WE CAN'T DO THE OTHER AGREEMENT BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T ANNEXED YET. LET THEM GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

>> THERE IS THE THING THAT WORKS AGAINST US.

>> IS NOT ANNEXING THE AREA. >> THAT IS A TOOL IN THEIR

TOOLBELT. >> THEY ARE IN JONAH'S WATER CCN. WE CANNOT LEGALLY DO ANYTHING WITH THEM BEING IN JONAH'S CCN. COOPERATING WITH JONAH TO MEET WITH JONAH AND SEE IF HUTTO SERVES THEM WATER AND CAN WE DO SOMETHING WITH YOU MAY BE IN SOME OTHER PART OF THE CITY LIKE THE MAYOR SAID? AND THEN PART OF IT IS TO DIRECT STAFF TO WORK ON A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION AGREEMENT IN ADDITION TO THAT FOR THE WASTEWATER.

>> THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUE US. WE HAVE INVOLUNTARILY DONE IT. THEY WILL HAVE THEIR WATER FROM JONAH TO THE SITE. OR WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT AND FIGHT. NOW THEY ARE GOING TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY.

BUT WE ARE RUNNING THE WASTEWATER LINE FOR THEM. IT IS A DEADLINE. THEY'RE GOING TO GET WATER AND WE ARE BEST

FRIENDS. >> DOES THAT MOTION LET YOU GIVE THE CONFIDENCE TO GO BACK TO JONAH AND NEGOTIATE AND POTENTIALLY COME BACK TO US? DOES THAT CAPTURE THAT CONFIDENCE THAT IF SOMETHING DOESN'T TURN OUT WELL WITH JONAH IT IS NOT POTENTIALLY THE END WITH THE CITY?

[03:45:10]

>> WE ARE GOING TO DIRECT STAFF TO WORK WITH JONAH TO US TO PROVIDE YOU WASTEWATER SERVICE AND FOR US TO COOPERATE WITH YOU ALL AND JONAH TO COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTION TO TRY TO GET BY THE END OF 2026. IT IS NONCOMMITTAL BUT THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO LEGALLY TONIGHT. WE ARE JUST SAYING WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH YOU. OR YOU MAY HEAR FROM US TOMORROW OKAY, WHAT DOES YOUR SCHEDULE LOOK LIKE? ALL WE ARE DOING IS PUBLICLY SAYING WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH YOU. THAT'S ABOUT IT. WE ARE JUST COMMITTING

TO OUR WORD. >> AND COMMITTING THAT WE WILL

PROVIDE WASTEWATER. >> DOES THAT GIVE YOU THE

CONFIDENCE? >> I MEAN IT IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR DEVELOPMENT. I THINK AN IMPORTANT FACTOR HERE IS JONAH. IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE CITY TO DO SOMETHING THAT KEEPS JONAH WATER HAPPY AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. IT PROBABLY DOESN'T GIVE US WHAT WE NEED BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ALL THAT CAN BE DONE AT THIS POINT.

>> IF YOU HAD YOUR WISH WE WOULD BE VOTING TO SAY WE WILL GIVE

YOU WATER TONIGHT. >> THAT WOULD BE OUR WISH.

>> FROM WHAT I AM HEARING FROM THE ATTORNEY, WE CANNOT DO THAT.

EVEN IF WE WANTED TO. >> ASSUMING WE ARE ABLE TO

CERTIFY FROM JONAH'S CCN. >> I THINK IF WE SET IT THAT WAY IF THE MOTION WAS WE WILL GIVE YOU WATER AS LONG AS JONAH D CERTIFIES. IF WE DO THAT, THAT IS WHERE WE GET SIDEWAYS WITH JONAH. BECAUSE WE ARE PUTTING PRESSURE ON THEM TO SAY WE ARE READY TO GIVE THESE GUYS WATER, YOU NEED TO CERTIFY THEM. I THINK THAT IS WHERE WE START TO GET IN THAT ADVERSARIAL

RELATIONSHIP. >> I THINK WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE EFFORT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO BOTH. WE'VE GOT TO KEEP THAT RELATIONSHIP INTACT. AND SO RECOGNIZING THAT. DOES THAT GIVE YOU THE CONFIDENCE TO GO BACK TO JONAH AND THEN KNOW THAT THE CITY IS NOT JUST YOUR OUT. SORRY ABOUT IT. THERE IS STILL THE

OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK. >> I DON'T THINK WE ARE ASKING YOU TO GO TO JONAH ALONE. WE WILL GO WITH YOU. CITY STAFF AND YOU, WE ALL APPROACHED JONAH TO SAY HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS WORK? IF WE TAKE OVER THIS PIECE OF CCN, IS THERE SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT WE COULD GIVE YOU? MAYBE WE DO A TRADE. MAYBE WE TEMPORARILY GIVE SERVICE AND WORK UP SOME KIND OF ILA THAT SAYS THE CITY OF HUTTO WILL GIVE THEM WATER FOR TWO YEARS. THEN YOU GIVE THEM WATER THEREAFTER. I THINK WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU. WE DON'T WANT TO SAY GO FIGURE IT OUT. WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU AND HAVE STAFF WORK WITH YOU AND SAY HOW DO WE MAKE THIS WORK? JONAH IS HAPPY, WE ARE HAPPY, YOU'RE HAPPY AND WE ARE GIVING YOU THE ABILITY TO DO PLAN A. THAT'S ALSO BETTER THAN WHERE YOU ARE TODAY WHEN YOU WALKED IN THE DOOR.

>> WHO HAS THE BANDWIDTH AND WHEREWITHAL TO HANDLE THIS KIND

OF ASK? WITH JONAH. >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

>> TALKING WITH JONAH. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMEONE IN

ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. >> OKAY. DO WE HAVE THE BANDWIDTH. I KNOW YOU PERSONALLY DO NOT HAVE THE BANDWIDTH TO TAKE THIS ON TO BE THE LIAISON.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT IS A QUESTION WE OUGHT TO BE ASKING.

WE ALL GOT JOBS. HE IS OVERWORKED.

>> YOU JUST SAID IT. >> HOWEVER HE MEETS WITH THOSE GUYS. I DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO BE ASKING STAFF TO HANDLE THIS.

[03:50:04]

>> THANK YOU. >> I THINK THIS IS A GOOD DEAL FOR YOU GUYS. YOU GUYS DON'T LIKE THE ANSWER THAT YOU HAVE.

WE CANNOT BUT WE ARE MAKING A PROCLAMATION THAT WE ARE GOING TO HELP YOU AS MUCH AS WE CAN. AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU ALREADY HAVE YOUR ANSWER. YOU JUST DON'T LIKE IT. BUT WE WANT TO HELP YOU SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING. WE WILL DO AS MUCH AS

WE CAN. >> PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. MAYOR SNYDER. COUNCILMEMBER CLARK.

COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON. COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON.

>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. I'LL RETURN TOMORROW.

[14. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

>> WE WILL WORK WITH YOU. LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.

>> EXECUTIVE SESSION BEFORE I READ ALL OF THESE. 14.1. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEY WANT TO ASK LEGALLY? 14.2. ANY

QUESTIONS LEGALLY? >> ON 14.1 A WE PROVIDED A MEMO.

WE STILL HAVEN'T MET WITH THE ATTORNEY. SO THERE HAS BEEN NO CHANGE THAT SINCE THE LAST EXECUTIVE SESSION SO YOU DO NOT NEED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR 14.1 A. WE ARE STILL WAITING ON THE ATTORNEY. FOR 14.1 B WE HAVE PROVIDED A MEMO UNLESS THERE IS ANY LEGAL QUESTIONS, WE HAD A RECOMMENDED MOTION TO AMEND THE CITY POLICY TO REMOVE ANY REFERENCES TO IN CITY MUD. UNLESS YOU WANTED TO GO OVER THE MEADOW MEMO. THOSE

WERE THE TWO ITEMS. >> ANY LEGAL QUESTIONS? 14.2.

ANY LEGAL QUESTIONS? >> I DID HAVE SOME.

>> WE WILL GO BACK TO 14.2. ATTORNEY CONSULTATION AND SECTION 551.72 REAL ESTATE TO DELIBERATE AND SEEK LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING RIGHTS OF ENTRY TO CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY INTEREST AS PART OF THE LAKESIDE ESTATES SIDEWALK PROJECT PHASE THREE.

AND 14.3 PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 55 1.072. TO DELIBERATE POTENTIAL ACQUISITIONS OF REAL PROPERTY INTERESTS AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AND OR EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION FOR PROVIDING ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY SPACES FOR PUBLIC USE. WE WILL COME BACK OUT AND

[15. ACTION RELATIVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION]

>> NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM 14.1. PURSUANT TO TEXAS CODE CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY RELATING TO THE FOLLOWING LEGAL MATTERS. RIGHT-OF-WAY LICENSE AND USE AGREEMENT FOR DESIGNATED PARKING SPACES AT 200 EAST STREET. ANY ITEM ON THAT ONE? REQUEST FOR CREATION OF MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT IN THE HUTTO MUNICIPAL DISTRICT POLICY AS AMENDED.

>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL. STAFF WOULD REQUEST A MOTION DIRECTING STAFF TO BRING NGTHE ABILITY TO HAVE IN CITY MUD.

>> SO MOVED. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> I WON'T BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS. SO IN CITY MUD IT'S JUST THEY ARE A FINANCING MECHANISM SAME AS FOR FINANCING DEVELOPERS INFRASTRUCTURE COST. I THINK THAT THIS IS A TOOL IN THE TOOL BELT. THEY WOULD STILL BE IN THE CITY BEING PROVIDED WATER. WASTEWATER, SERVICES AND STREET SERVICES, I THINK THAT WE

[03:55:08]

AS A COUNCIL NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MUD POLICY DOES. MAY BE UPDATED. I DON'T THINK THAT STRIKING THE IN CITY MUD PROVISION IS APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME.

>> WE HAVE ALL OF THESE OTHER TAXING AUTHORITIES. AND SO THE SERVICES DISTRICT, VOLUNTARILY ADDING THE POTENTIAL FOR ANOTHER THAT WE HAVE TO BUTT HEADS WITH WITHIN THE CITY. WE DON'T NEED THAT. THAT'S WHY I THINK WE DON'T NEED MUDS. WE DO HAVE MONTH BUT THEY ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR CURRENT CITY AND WE NORMALLY PUT AGREEMENT THAT ONCE THAT COMPLETE ITS PAYOFF THAT THEN THEY HAVE TO DO ANNEXATION INTO THE CITY AT THE END OF IT. THAT SHOULD BE THE ONLY EXCEPTION OUTSIDE THE CITY. SO I THINK THAT IS A GOOD STEP THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN PRACTICE FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER. WE DON'T HAVE ANY MUDS TODAY. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST TAKE THAT STEP AND IF A FUTURE CANCEL WANTS TO ADD THAT THERE HAS TO BE SERIOUS CONSIDERATION. SO I THINK THIS IS GOOD WE ARE GOING TO CODIFY WHAT WE'VE DONE.

>> AND ALSO THE POLICY WAS CREATED ON SEPTEMBER 3RD 2020.

MAYOR SNYDER, BROWER PRO TEM GORDON AND COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON WERE ON THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME. AND SO I JUST DON'T WANT TO UNDO SUPPORT THAT THEY'VE DONE. I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND REASSESS THINGS. COMPARING IT TO THAT.

BUT WHAT MUDS OFFER AND WHAT POTENTIALLY WE CAN ADD TO THE POLICY TO BRING IT UP IN STANDARD. I JUST THINK THAT IT'S A KNEE-JERK DECISION. I THINK THAT WE AS A COUNCIL MAY NOT BE SOPHISTICATED ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THESE FINANCING MECHANISMS. I KNOW THAT THEY ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND. I AM NOT AN EXPERT BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE EITHER AT A WORKSHOP OR PRESENTATION BE GIVEN THAT OPPORTUNITY TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THESE FINANCING MECHANISMS.

>> THIS MIGHT BE THE THIRD TIME TONIGHT BUT I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT.

>> SO NOTED. >> IN SEPTEMBER 2020. WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF POLICIES. WHAT I HAVE LEARNED SINCE THEN IS I'VE LEARNED THAT PEOPLE GET CONFUSED THAT THEY ARE PART OF THE CITY.

I HAVE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS.

>> THEY WOULD BE PART OF THE CITY AS WELL.

>> I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE IN STAR RANCH AND THEY HAVE ISSUES WITH STUFF BACKING UP IN THEIR HOUSES AND THINGS AND ISSUES WITH THE MUD AND THEY WANT THE CITY TO GET INVOLVED.

THE PROBLEM I SEE WITH IN CITY MUD. YOU STILL HAVE ANOTHER GOVERNING BODY. THAT NOW IS DOING ONE THING AND SOME RULES ARE FOLLOWING AND SOME THEY ARE NOT. THERE'S TWO PEOPLE MOVING IN HERE THAT ARE NOT DEALING WITH MUDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I THINK THE BEST WAY TO FIX IT IS THE CITY TO BE THE CITY AND I DON'T SEE THE VALUE OF IN CITY MUD. I DON'T SEE THE VALUE OF AN OUT OF CITY MUD. I DON'T SEE THE VALUE OF A MUD.. IT'S A BETTER WAY TO GO. IT KEEPS ALL THE PEOPLE KNOW WHO TO GO TO, AND ONE DAY WE WILL ANNEX STAR RANCH AND HANDLE PROBLEMS THEN.

WE COULD HAVE AN IN CITY MUD POP UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY AND THEN WANT TO CONTROL THEIR OWN ROADS AND THEN WE ARE SUPPLYING POLICE SERVICES AND HAVE A WHOLE SEPARATE GOVERNING BODY. PEOPLE ARE UPSET ABOUT SEWER, THAT IS NOT US. I THINK WE WOULD HUNDRED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. I DON'T LIKE MUDS. SO I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A POLICY OF SOME SORT. SO .

>> I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS GOOD OR APPROPRIATELY LEGAL

[04:00:03]

ADVICE TO TOTALLY ASK THIS OPTION. FROM THE CITY.

>> I REALLY DON'T LIKE MUDS EITHER. I HAVE APPROVED MUDS ON THE VERY OUTSKIRTS OF THE CITY WHICH MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME. BY THE TIME WE GROW OUT THERE APPROACHING THAT 30 YEAR TIMEFRAME AND WE CAN'T ANNEX THEM. HOWEVER, I DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT IN CITY MUD. WE'VE NEVER DONE ONE BEFORE.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW. FOR ME, REMOVING IT IS PREMATURE. I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT IT BEFORE WE JUST TOTALLY REMOVE IT. HEAR MORE ABOUT IT AND STUDY MORE ABOUT IT AND TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. RIGHT NOW I DON'T SEE MYSELF APPROVING OR VOTING IN FAVOR OF AN IN CITY MUD BUT I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE THAT OPTION . IF SOMEBODY ARGUES IT.

>> WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO BRING IT BACK FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION AT THE NEXT MEETING. AND WE COULD PROVIDE MORE THOROUGH BRIEFING ON WHAT IS AND IN CITY MUD AND WHY IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE IN THE CITY OF HUTTO. WHICH WOULD BE PART OF

THE BRAKING. >> WE ARE NOT MAKING A CHANGE

TONIGHT. >> AND THEN WE DID PROVIDE THE MUD POLICY IN THE MEMO. SO IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER CHANGE THAT COUNCIL WANTED BUT THAT WAS THE BIGGEST ONE STAFF SAW. BECAUSE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS WE HAVE OUR CCN'S. AND SO WATER AND SEWER IS REALLY SERVED IN THE CITY LIMITS. THERE IS NO REASON

TO HAVE IN CITY MUD. >> I TEND TO AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS ABOUT IF WE HAVE SOMETHING I DON'T SEE THE POINT IN NIXING IT ALTOGETHER. AT LEAST HAVING THAT OPTION I THINK IS BETTER THAN COMPLETELY NIXING THE POLICY ALTOGETHER. I WILL VOTE TO BRING IT BACK BUT AS FAR AS NIXING IT ALTOGETHER THAT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT I DEFINITELY WANT MORE EDUCATION ON. BUT I JUST DON'T SEE IT HOW THAT IS GOOD TO COMPLETELY GET RID OF. WHAT I DON'T-- I DEFINITELY WANTED TO BE BROUGHT

BACK SO WE CAN DISCUSS MORE. >> I AM OKAY WITH DISCUSSING IT MORE. BUT I WON'T BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF IT BECAUSE IT IS BRINGING BACK A DRAFT THAT DOES TAKE THE MUD POLICY OUT OF THE CITY'S PURVIEW. SO THAT IS JUST ONE STEP CLOSER TO IT HITTING ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED. SO I'M VOTING NO.

>> LET'S CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD.

MAYOR SNYDER. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR.

COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON.

COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON. >> MOTION PASSES 5-2. ITEM 15.1.

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO EXECUTIVE

SESSION AGENDA ITEMS. >> 14.2 WAS THE LAKESIDE ESTATE

SIDEWALK. >> THAT IS 15.2.

>> I'M SORRY. ANYTHING FOR 15.1. 15.2. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION AUTHORIZING THE ACQUISITION OF RIGHTS OF ENTRY TO CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY INTERESTS AS PART OF THE LAKESIDE ESTATES SIDEWALK PROJECT PHASE THREE.

>> WE HAD ONE FOR 15.1. >> ON 14.3. THAT WOULD FALL

UNDER 15.1. >> AND FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM 14.3, WE WOULD REQUEST A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER OR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT ACCORDING TO THE TERMS DISCUSSED

IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. >> SO MOVED.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD. SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE

[04:05:04]

CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR.

COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON.

COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD. MAYOR SNYDER. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON.

COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. >> MOTION PASSES 7-0. NOW WE GO TO ITEM 15.2. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION AUTHORIZING THE ACQUISITION OF RIGHTS OF ENTRY TO CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY INTERESTS AS PART OF THE LAKESIDE ESTATES SIDEWALK

PROJECT PHASE THREE. >> YOU GO.

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK A QUESTION.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO REALLOCATE THE MONEY TO STOP THE PHASE

THREE. >> JUST TO GIVE SOME BACKGROUND, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO ACQUIRE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY INTEREST SO THAT WE COULD DO SIDEWALKS IN LAKESIDE ESTATES. WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT AND SO WE PROVIDED YOU WITH SOME OPTIONS.

ONE WOULD BE TO CANCEL THE PROJECT. SECOND WOULD BE TO REDESIGN OR CONTINUE TRYING TO GET THESE RIGHT OF WAYS BUT WE HAVE REACHED AN IMPASSE WITH SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

>> MOTION TO CANCEL THE PROJECT PHASE THREE.

>> SECOND. >> FOR THE PEOPLE IN LAKESIDE ESTATES, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBERS. WE HAVE $3 MILLION IN THE BUDGET TO SPEND. I BELIEVE THERE IS 89 PEOPLE WE ARE TRYING TO CONTACT TO GET THE ABILITY TO GET ONTO THEIR PROPERTY TO PUT THE SIDEWALKS. WE GOT DEFINITE NO AND THE VAST MAJORITY WE PUT OUT RESPONDING TO EMAILS, DOOR TO DOOR, DOOR HANGERS, LETTERS WITH STAMPED ENVELOPES. TO HAVE $3 MILLION IN MY OPINION AND NO ONE IS RESPONDING TO IT, WE WILL GO SPEND THE MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE. IF AT SOME POINT IN TIME THEY ARE WILLING TO SIGN THE DOCUMENT, I DON'T KNOW WHY THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD NOT FINISH THE PROJECT. BUT FOR ME TO HAVE $3 MILLION SITTING THERE DOING NOTHING, LET'S SPEND $3 MILLION IN ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMETHING ELSE. IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T WANT TO FINISH THE PROJECT. BUT I DON'T WANT TO FORCE IT ON PEOPLE AND NOT GOING TO IMMINENT DOMAIN THE ABILITY TO BE ON THEIR PROJECT AND TEAR UP THE DRIVEWAY. I SEE IT AS WE EITHER CANCEL THE PROJECT, KEEP TRYING TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE, OR WE IMMINENT DOMAIN AND FORCE OUR RIGHTS ON THERE. I AM LEFT WITH NO OPTION BUT TO CANCEL.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY. WHAT THE MAYOR WAS TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS PHASE THREE SIDEWALK INSTALLATION. AT THE LAKESIDE ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD. READING OFF THE NUMBERS PROVIDED BY THE STAFF. THERE ARE 162 PARCELS AFFECTED. 129 OF THEM HAVE NOT RESPONDED. SO THAT'S A BIG NONRESPONSE RATE. 30 HAVE GRANTED ACCESS. THREE HAVE DENIED AND 47 HAVE NOT RESPONDED. SO JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT THE MAYOR SAID AS WELL. WE WANT TO GET THIS DONE FOR THE RESIDENTS. HOWEVER IF WE CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND WE WILL HAVE

TO REALLOCATE THE DOLLARS. >> THAT STAFF CONTINUES TO COLLECT LETTERS AUTHORIZING SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO IT AGAIN. SO THAT NEXT WEEK OR NEXT YEAR WHEN WE HAVE THEM ALL WE CAN DO THE PROJECT.

[04:10:04]

>> ONCE WE GET TO A GOOD PORTION.

>> WE WANT TO DO THE PROJECT. WE HAVE SET ASIDE THE MONEY. WE DESIGNED IT. WE ARE JUST READY TO DO THE WORK. AND SO IF FOLKS FROM LAKESIDE ESTATES ARE LISTENING, MAYBE YOU CAN GET YOUR NEIGHBORS TO RESPOND TO THE CITY. IF YOU RESPONDED YOU CAN MAYBE CHECK WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS TO SAY DID YOU GET THE LETTER, DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND AND LET'S GET THIS GOING? IF YOU REALLY WANT THE SIDEWALKS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH YOU TOLD US YOU DO. WE NEED YOUR HELP. WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN.

FROM EARLIER IN THE MEETING WE HAVE TRIED LIKE SIX TIMES DIFFERENT WAYS. WE HAVE KNOCKED ON THE DOOR, SENT LETTERS, WE JUST TRIED AND TRIED. SO I'D LOVE TO GET IT DONE. BUT WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE I WOULD RATHER USE IT AND REVISIT THIS LATER. AND I REALLY LIKE THE AMENDMENT WHERE WE STILL CONTINUE TO TRY TO GET THE LETTERS.

>> I THINK IT WAS A YEAR AGO OR TWO YEARS AGO WE HAD MULTIPLE MEMBERS OF LAKESIDE ESTATES MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THEY WANTED THEIR SIDEWALKS. WE KNOW IT IS A BIG NEED. JUST IF WE CAN HAVE THOSE RESIDENTS REACH OUT TO THOSE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT MIGHT BE LEERY ABOUT HAVING THE CITY DO THIS AND HAVING THE CITY SPEAK WITH THEM. I'M SURE THE CITY CAN PUT TO REST ANY CONCERNS THAT RESIDENTS MIGHT HAVE ABOUT PROCESS OR TIMING.

WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THE CITIZENS HELP TO POTENTIALLY GET THESE LAKESIDE ESTATES SIDEWALKS. IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

>> PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> MOTION PASSES 7-0.

[16. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS]

>> THAT TAKES US TO 16.1. GENERAL COMMENTS FROM CITY

COUNCIL. >> THANK YOU TO EVERYONE THAT HAS COME OUT TO VOTE. SATURDAY IS THE LAST DAY TO VOTE. SO JUST LETTING EVERY CITIZEN KNOW THAT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHOWING UP FOR EARLY VOTING. AND LOOKING FORWARD TO THE ELECTION ON SATURDAY. YOU CAN CAST YOUR VOTES HERE AT CITY HALL.

>> 16.2. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. >> I HAVE ONE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO RESPOND QUICKER THAN THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. BUT THE EMAIL YOU SENT AT 8:00 REGARDING DRAFTING A LETTER. DO WE HAVE TO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM OR CAN WE JUST SAY STAFF?

>> I BELIEVE THE LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO GO AHEAD AND CONSIDER THAT AND THEN HAVE STAFF DRAFT THE LETTER AND HAVE THE MAYOR SIGN IT. ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. IN OUR

LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM. >> I WILL RECALL THE ITEM. LAST TIME I SEND A LETTER IT BECAME MIKE ONCE 100% OF SALES TAX MONEY. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM KNOW WHAT I FIND. I'VE GOT ONE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO WORD THIS. BUT I TALKED TO THE ACN TODAY NOT TODAY, YESTERDAY. SOME KIND OF REVIEW OF POLICY WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE BUILDING TRAILS AND WORKING WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF WHO AUTHORIZES THAT AND AT WHAT POINT DOES IT HAVE TO GO TO THE COUNCIL. I WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW OF OUR POLICIES AND ORDINANCES TO SEE WHO HAS THE POWER TO DO THAT. BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE HAVE GROUPS OF CITIZENS THAT AT LEAST WE KNOW ABOUT IT.

>> IF THEY DO IT ON CITY PROPERTY.

>> YEAH. >> ON CITY PROPERTY.

>> I GUESS MAYBE. >> THEY NEED SIGNS TO SAY IT IS

A PRIVATE TRAIL. >> WHATEVER THE PROCESS IS.

HOMEMADE TRAILS AND HOW IS THAT STARTING TO BE. IT MIGHT NOT BE A PROBLEM. I NEED YOU TO TELL US THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS. I

[04:15:07]

DON'T KNOW. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS LIMITED TO CITY PROPERTY. WE HAVE ALLOWED A GROUP TO BLAZE A TRAIL ON OUR LAND. WE PUT UP SIGNS. I JUST DIDN'T WANT THE CITY TO BE JUMPING IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT. WE HAD THE AGREEMENT

AND ALL THAT. >> ABOUT CUTTING TREES AND HOW

THAT AFFECTS OUR PERMITS. >> WE WILL REVIEW THIS WITH ALL THE AFFECTED CITY DEPARTMENTS LIKE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND

PLANNING AND ZONING. >> TRAILS HAVE A HABIT OF WASHING AWAY BUT THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE ISSUE.

>> WHEN YOU WANT THIS BACK? >> FIRST PART OF JUNE.

>> I WOULD LIKE AN AGENDA ITEM TO TALK ABOUT HOME BUSINESSES IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT CONSTITUTES A HOME BUSINESS. ARE THEY ABLE TO OPERATE? I THINK WE HAVE A POLICY BUT I'D LIKE TO BRING THAT POLICY UP AND REVIEW IT AND MAKE SURE IT IS IN LINE WITH STATE REGULATIONS AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE.

>> UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THAT IS ALSO UNDER REVIEW. THEY ARE GOING TO BE BRINGING BACK BUT I WILL HAVE THEM LOOK AT

THAT ISSUE. >> I WOULD LIKE THAT BROUGHT UP

IN JUNE AS WELL. >> OKAY.

>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT TO BRING UP.

>> AND HOW IT CORRESPONDS WITHA .

>> THAT IS A DISCUSSION WE CAN HAVE. I WOULD LIKE IT BROUGHT UP IN JUNE TO TALK ABOUT HOME BUSINESSES.

>> AND ALSO TO ADD FOOD REGISTRATION AND LICENSE.

>> THERE IS A STATE LAW THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO. AND THERE

MIGHT BE SOME AMENDMENTS. >> ALWAYS GOOD TO BE TRAINED ON THAT. COTTAGE LAWS. ANYTHING ELSE? MY FAVORITE ONE. FUTURE ADDITIONAL AND SCHEDULED MEETINGS. DID YOU FIND ANY?

>> I HAD A QUESTION. JULY 4TH IS A FRIDAY. DID WE MOVE JULY 3RD

OR DECIDE TO LEAVE IT? >> WE MOVED IT.

>> THE JULY 3RD MEETING WENT TO THE TENT? AND THEN DID WE MOVED

THE 17TH TO THE 24TH? >>

>> WE CAN ALWAYS VOTE TO HAVE IT BACK ON JULY 3RD. PEOPLE STILL

HAVE TO PAY WATER BILLS. >> THAT'S FINE.

>> WE WANT TO BRING BACK ITEM A .2. REGARDING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR UPDATES FROM THE CITY COUNCIL ON LEGISLATIVE.

>> THAT SENATE BILL 1844. THE LETTER THAT SOME OTHER CITIES HAVE WRITTEN. GIVE THIS TO OUR STATE SENATOR AND OUR HONORABLE

HOUSE REP AS WELL. >> 1844 IS THE SENATE WILL

NUMBER. >> ABOUT ANNEXATION. IF THE CITY DOESN'T OFFER MUNICIPAL SERVICES.

>> SENATE BILL 1844. SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I WOULD SAY

[04:20:01]

TO PUT IN THE LETTER IS TO MAKE THE LEGISLATORS AWARE THAT THE BILL REQUIRES AUTOMATIC ANNEXATION OF ANY AREA THAT DOESN'T RECEIVE FULL MUNICIPAL SERVICES. SO YOU CAN HAVE AREAS.

>> SO JONAH WATER. >> I DID A BRIEF OVERVIEW AND THERE'S A LOT OF PIECES TO IT. AND IT REFERS TO BEFORE THE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION IT KIND OF REVERTS BACK TO THAT. SO POTENTIALLY AREAS THAT WERE DEVELOPED IN THE FORCED ANNEXATION PERIOD BEFORE STATE LAW WAS ENACTED. FOR IT TO BE VOLUNTARY. THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECES. I DON'T SEE ANY HARM IN JUMPING ON THE BANDWAGON WITH IT. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PIECES TO IT. I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE THIS ISSUE. I THINK IT'S TRYING TO TARGET CERTAIN THINGS. I COULD BE

WRONG. >> THE REASON WHY YOU WANT TO GET YOUR LETTER OUT, IT'S ON THE SENATE INTEND CALENDAR SO IT CAN BE MOVED FAIRLY QUICKLY NOW.

>> IT IS ALREADY IN CALENDARS AND THE HOUSE AS WELL.

>> ARE YOU GUYS OKAY DOING A STRONGLY WORDED LETTER? IT'S A BIG ISSUE FOR OTHER CITIES. AND I HAD A MAYOR THAT WENT DOWN AND HE DID SAY I DID MY BEST. I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE A LOT OF THE AREA CITIES ARE NOT JUST SAYING PLEASE DON'T DO THIS.

THEY ARE BASICALLY SAYING IF YOU DO THIS WE ARE GOING TO REACT VERY NEGATIVELY. SO THE PEOPLE WE ARE DEALING WITH ARE GOING TO REPLACE YOU, I'M GOING TO CAMPAIGN AGAINST YOU. I TOLD JAMES BASICALLY WE CAN JUST ABSOLVE THE CITY. BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO BE IN A CITY WHERE THE WHOLE AREA DEVELOPS AROUND YOU AND YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE POCKET THAT IS COLLECTING MONEY. IN MY MIND WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS. YOU VOTE FOR THIS, THE CITY OF HUTTO AS WE STAND HERE WE WILL BE BIG-TIME AGAINST ANYTHING YOU DO BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT BILLS TO HIT US. DON'T BE SURPRISED IF THE CITY OF HUTTO IS OUT THERE PUSHING AGAINST YOU. BECAUSE I THINK OTHERWISE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A REAL MESS.

>> IT'S TO SOLVE ONE PROBLEM WITH ONE THING. AND UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. ALL OF MANVILLE WOODY MADDIE-- WOULD IMMEDIATELY ANNEX. THEY ARE ON CITY WATER. SO BASICALLY WE WOULD NOT HAVE A CITY. I THINK LEGENDS OF HUTTO AND ONE OTHER WOULD HAVE FULL SERVICE. WE NEED TO BE MORE STRONGLY OPPOSED. I WOULD PUT IN THE HANDS OF THE LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE. STAFF CAN GET THE

LETTER OUT. >> I WILL DO SOME RESEARCH TOMORROW AND WE WILL FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. THE WORDS YOU USE ARE STRONGLY OPPOSED. I WANT YOU TO VOTE AGAINST IT. THINGS LIKE

THAT. >> WE ARE GOING TO PUT UP BILLBOARDS THAT ASK FOR YOU. SERIOUSLY. HE'S RIGHT. IT ENDS THE CITY. SO THEY HAVE ALREADY SCREWED US WITH THE FIRST 2048.

WE ARE GOING TO BE SITTING HERE, INSTEAD OF ONE WE BOUGHT 15 COMMUNITIES BUILT ON TOP OF US AND BE EXPECTED TO WIDEN OUR ROADS AND I AM NOT PAYING FOR 15,000 PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BE PART OF THE CITY.

[04:25:09]

>> TO HAVE THE MAYOR SIGN AND SEND. WE SHARE OUR LETTERS WITH

SURROUNDING CITIES. >> WE GOT IT.

>> WE WILL ADJOURN AT 12:01 A.M. ON

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.