[Special Planning and Zoning on April 22, 2025.]
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JUST IN CASE FOR THE THING RIGHT THERE.
SO YOU WOULD THINK THAT, RIGHT.
AND THEN TELL MANNY HE CAN COME IN IF YOU, MANNY CAN COME IN.
MANNY DOESN'T HAVE TO STAND DOWN.
AND THEN, UM, I DO KNOW COMMISSIONER, UM, STEWART, I WOULD OPEN.
UM, COMMISSIONER STEWART WILL BE HERE AROUND SEVEN.
I THINK SHE HAD A, UM, HER, THERE'S SOMETHING WITH THE ISD THAT THEY HAD TO DO NIGHT WITH ONE OF HER CHILDREN.
WELL, THEY'RE HAVING A BOND OVERSIGHT MEETING RIGHT NOW.
I DUNNO IF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.
I, ALRIGHT, WELL, WE'RE BACK AT THE WEST CONFERENCE ROOM AND WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE ROLL CALL.
I'M JUST GONNA MAKE A NOTE OF WHO IS HERE.
AND WHEN WE OPENED, WE HAD, ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO 4.1 DISCUSSION ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECTS.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, MATT RECER, CITY ENGINEER.
UH, SO I TRIED TO KEEP THE COLOR SYSTEMS THE SAME AS WE DID LAST WEEK.
THIS WEEK WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT STREETS.
LAST WEEK WAS FACILITIES AND WASTEWATER.
UH, SO IN YOUR PACKET, YOU SHOULD HAVE COPIES OF THE PDFS THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN.
UM, UH, ONE IS A MAP AND BECAUSE EVERY MASTER PLAN IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, THIS ONE'S GONNA BE A LITTLE HARDER BECAUSE I TRY TO USE THE SAME COLOR SCHEMES WITH WHERE YELLOW'S IN DESIGN.
BUT THERE ARE PRO YELLOW PROJECTS IN THIS PARTICULAR MASTER PLAN.
I WASN'T, I WAS TORN BETWEEN KEEPING IT CONSISTENT FROM WEEK TO WEEK OR DEVIATING EVERY WEEK BASED ON THE NEW MASTER PLAN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO I JUST WENT WITH, AND WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
IF IT'S A DARKER COLORED YELLOW WITH A NUMBER ON IT, THEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S JUST IN THE MASTER PLAN.
IF IT'S A BRIGHTER YELLOW WITH NO NUMBER, THEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS CURRENTLY DESIGNED.
UH, AND THEN THE TABLE THAT YOU HAVE IS FROM THE NEW, UH, MOBILITY MASTER PLAN.
SO THE ONES HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ARE IN DESIGN.
THE ONES HIGHLIGHTED IN PURPLE ARE IN CONSTRUCTION.
UM, I WILL SAY TRANSPORTATION IS A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT, NOT ONLY BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY PROJECTS, BUT BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO WHERE LAST WEEK WITH, WITH WASTEWATER, YOU HAVE TO WORK YOUR WAY FROM DOWNSTREAM TO UPSTREAM.
YOU COULD GO ON ONE SIDE OF THE CITY FOR A SECTION OF ROAD AND THEN DECIDE YOU WANNA GO TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CITY FOR A SECTION OF ROAD.
UM, IDEALLY WE WILL GET TO A POINT WHERE WE HAVE A ROBUST TRANSPORTATION MODEL THAT WILL TELL US WHERE WE HAVE ISSUES SO WE CAN FOCUS IN ON THOSE.
ALL WE HAVE IS THE MASTER PLAN.
THE OTHER REASON WHY ROADS OR TRANSPORTATION IS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED.
NUMBER ONE IS IT'S NOT JUST STREETS, IT'S ALSO DRAINAGE.
NUMBER TWO, UH, THERE ARE THINGS, SO YOU SEE HERE, T 6 20 23 IS THE LAKESIDE SIDEWALKS.
BUT IF YOU LOOK ON MY MAP THAT I JUST HAD UP LAKESIDE SIDEWALKS IS NOT SHOWN MM-HMM
BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THE MASTER PLAN.
IT WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS DONE OUTSIDE OF ANY MASTER PLAN.
RIGHT? AND SO, UM, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY THIS GETS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THIS LIST HERE, SOME OF THESE PROJECTS COME STRAIGHT OUTTA THE
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MASTER PLANS.SOME OF THEM COME OUT OF VARIOUS CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HAD EITHER WITH P AND Z OR CITY COUNCIL OR BOTH.
AND SO WE'VE ADDED PROJECTS TO THIS LIST.
UH, I HAVE GONE THROUGH IT MULTIPLE TIMES TRYING TO MAKE SURE I'VE CAPTURED EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN.
UH, YOU WILL ALSO SEE DOWN HERE TOWARDS THE END OF THE STREETS, UH, YOU SEE SOME RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
OKAY? THOSE ARE NOT IN THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN.
THOSE ARE NOT PART OF ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY COUNCIL OR PNZ.
THOSE ARE COMING STRAIGHT FROM THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX STUDY.
THAT WAS DONE IN 2023, UH, WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE.
SO I'VE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PLANS, REPORTS, CONVERSATIONS, VARIOUS DIFFERENT THINGS THAT I CAN FIND TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, I'M CAPTURING ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT I'VE MISSED.
THERE PROBABLY IS BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF PROJECTS TO TRY TO KEEP TRACK OF IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS.
UM, BUT I'M SAYING ALL THIS IN A VERY LONG-WINDED WAY TO SAY, UH, WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS MY RECOMMENDATION ON HOW WE PRIORITIZE THESE.
BUT THAT'S REALLY JUST BASED ON MY GUT AND MY PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT.
IT HAS NO MODEL TO BACK IT UP.
IT HAS NO HARD DATA TO BACK IT UP.
AND SO, SINCE WE'RE ALL FLYING FROM OUR GUT ON THIS ONE, UM, IT'S COMPLETELY UP TO WHATEVER YOU GUYS RECOMMEND WITH OBVIOUS EXCEPTIONS OF ANYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING IN 2025, WE'RE NOT GONNA STOP.
RIGHT? WE'RE GONNA TRY TO FINISH WHAT WE'RE DOING IN 2025 AND THEN LAUNCH FROM THERE.
RIGHT? UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WANT TO GO ONE BY ONE THROUGH ALL THESE AND SEE IF YOU WANNA SHIFT THEM AROUND OR IF YOU WANT TO START FROM YOUR OWN PERSPECTIVES AND START HAVING ME JUMP AROUND OR WHAT YOUR BEST.
SO I'M, I'M THINKING LET'S GET THE LOW HANGING FRUIT.
IS THERE ANYTHING IN CONSTRUCTION INTO 26? UM, WELL IDEALLY WE WOULD BE IN CONSTRUCTION IN 26 WITH THE FM 60 60 SOUTH AT 79.
UH, BY THE TIME WE GET TO 2026, THE, THE FIRST PART OF EXCHANGE, WHICH IS EXCHANGE AT LIVE OAK, UH, SHOULD BE IN CONSTRUCTION.
THAT SHOULD ACTUALLY BE IN CONSTRUCTION THIS YEAR.
UH, I THINK WE'RE PROJECTING BY THE END OF THE SUMMER BEING CONSTRUCTION EXCHANGE IT ONE OH, THERE, THAT'S RIGHT DOWN HERE.
SO FOURTH ONE DOWN, THAT'S NUMBER 50.
PROJECT ID, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT TABLE.
AND THEN I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING THAT, UM, IS ALSO TO POINT OUT AS I KNOW THAT A LOT OF YOU, UM, HAD QUESTIONED WHY IT DIDN'T LINE UP.
UM, BECAUSE PRIOR CITY ENGINEER SAID IT DIDN'T NEED TO LINE UP.
SO THIS ACTUALLY FIXES Y OAK OFFSET.
SO, UH, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT IS NOT PROJECT NUMBER 50.
IT'S ACTUALLY PART OF PROJECT NUMBER 27, UH, WHICH IS ON PAGE ONE OF THE MASTER PLAN.
NOW HERE'S, HERE'S HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE.
LAST YEAR WHEN WE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS, YOU GUYS INDICATED THAT YOU WANTED TO PRIORITIZE GETTING EXCHANGED DONE.
CITY COUNCIL THEN TOOK YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND SAID, WE DON'T NEED TO DO ALL OF EXCHANGE BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE WORKING ARE FIXING THE STUFF THAT THEY'RE TEARING OUT.
SO WE NEED TO STAY OUT OF THERE.
WE JUST NEED TO FOCUS ON THIS DISASTER OF AN INTERSECTION.
I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S VERBATIM WHAT THEY SAID.
AND SO WE FOCUSED ON THE INTERSECTION.
THEY HAVE SINCE COME BACK IN THE FEBRUARY OR MARCH CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM AND SAID, OKAY, NOW THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THE INTERSECTION, WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT DOING ALL OF EXCHANGE
AND SO THAT'S WHY THIS ONE IS A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE WE HAD IT ALL IN THERE.
WE WERE GONNA DO IT FROM 79 ALL THE WAY UP TO HOLLAND.
THEN THEY SAID, NOPE, JUST FOCUS ON THE INTERSECTION.
SO WE DESCOPED ALL OF THAT FROM THE PROJECT FOCUSED ON THE INTERSECTION.
AND NOW THEY'RE SAYING, GO DO EVERYTHING.
AND SO NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A NEW SCOPE WITH ANOTHER ENGINEER TO DO EVERYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE INTERSECTION CHANGES.
THE INTERSECTION IS IN DESIGN.
OUTSIDE OF THE INTERSECTION IS NOT IN DESIGN BECAUSE WE DESCOPE ALL.
SO THAT'S NOT, I GUESS MY POINT IS ANYTHING THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW THAT'S
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GOING TO BLEED INTO OR REQUIRE FUNDING IN 26, LET'S GET THAT OFF THE TABLE.'CAUSE THOSE WERE NOT GONNA STOP.
WE'RE NOT GONNA PULL THE PLUG ON MEGASITE EAST, WEST ROAD.
SO LET ME, LET ME JUST RUN YOU THROUGH THOSE.
SO THE PURPLE ONES ARE IN CONSTRUCTION RIGHT? RIGHT NOW.
UM, 1660 AT LIMMER SHOULD BE DONE.
UM, NEXT MONTH IS WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING.
MEGASITE EAST WEST ROAD SHOULD BE DONE NEXT MONTH IS WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING.
EMORY FARMS ARCH, UH, THE ROAD SHOULD BE OPEN, I THINK IN TWO WEEKS.
AND THEN ALL OF THE REST OF THE CONSTRUCTION IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE BY JUNE.
UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL INNOVATION AT LIMMER, WE JUST STARTED CONSTRUCTION ON THAT ONE.
SO, UH, PROBABLY I THINK LATE SUMMER, EARLY FALL IS WHAT THEY'RE PROJECTING BEING DONE BEFORE THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
SO THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF SPILLAGE, BUT OKAY.
NOT MUCH, UH, EXCHANGE AT LIMMER.
THAT SIGNAL, UH, WILL BE DONE BEFORE THE SUMMER IS OUT BECAUSE WE TOLD 'EM THEY HAD TO HAVE THE PERMANENT SOLUTION UP BEFORE SCHOOL STARTED AGAIN.
SO, AND THEN THE OVERPASS AESTHETIC UPGRADES, THAT'S NOT REALLY ONE THAT WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.
IT'S REALLY JUST US PAYING THE COUNTY BACK.
I MEAN, YOU GUYS CAN SEE THE OVERPASS OUT THERE.
UM, AND THEN THAT'S IT FOR WHAT'S IN CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
SO I'M, I'M JUST GONNA ASK, IS THERE ANYTHING IN CONSTRUCTION THAT YOU GUYS THINK WE NEED TO STOP PUMP THE BRAKES, PUSH OUT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO.
SO THEN I, I THINK THE NEXT LOW HANGING FRUIT ARE THE ONES IN DESIGN.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? HIT THOSE NEXT.
UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA SAY ON THIS SHEET, JUST SO THAT I'M CONSISTENT WORKING THROUGH HERE, UM, I'M GONNA SKIP THE T ZERO ONE BECAUSE PER CITY COUNCIL, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN EVERY YEAR.
SO WE JUST GOT THAT IN THERE EVERY YEAR.
IT COMES OUTTA M AND O, IT'S NOT A DEBT THING.
SO I'M NOT GONNA WORRY ABOUT THAT ONE.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT T THREE, WHICH IS THE 1660 A LIMIT.
SO THAT ONE WAS PUT ON HOLD BECAUSE OF THE LAST MINUTE CHANGE BY TDOT.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN PLAY WITH THE TIMELINE OR THE FUNDING ON THAT ONE BECAUSE OF THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
NOW, MY QUESTION ON THAT IS, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF 2027 TALK AS WE WILL COMPLETE IT IN 2027.
SO FOR THE FUNDING PURPOSES, WE NEED TO HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE FUNDS BEFORE THEY START TURNING DIRT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO THE WORK MAY BE FINISHING UP IN 27 FY 27, BUT WE HAD TO PAY FOR IT.
AND WE, AND BECAUSE OF THE AGREEMENT WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, WE HAD TO FULLY FUND THAT PROJECT 1660 NORTH AT LIMMER PROJECT AND THE 1660 NORTH OF 79 PROJECT BEFORE WE COULD BORROW ANY MORE FUNDS TO DO ANY PROJECTS.
SO WE HAVE ALLOCATED MONEY AND WE'VE BEEN CARRYING IT OVER FROM YEAR TO YEAR AS THIS PROJECT CONTINUES TO GET DELAYED SO THAT WE ARE FULLY FUNDED FOR THAT PROJECT SO THAT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE AGS RULE.
NEXT QUESTION ON THAT PROJECT WITH THE DELAYS, DOES THE FY 26 NUMBER, UH, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE INCREASED COST BECAUSE OF THE DELAYS? OR 10 OR 10% ONE UP OR WHATEVER? UH, NO, I DID NOT INFLATE THE NUMBER YET.
THIS IS JUST A HOLDOVER FROM WHAT IT WAS LAST YEAR.
UM, BUT I DID NOT ONLY HAVE TO, WE'LL HAVE TO ADD INFLATION TO THAT.
THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A RECONCILING BECAUSE WHEN TXDOT CHANGED DIRECTION ON US AND DECIDED THAT THEY WERE GONNA ADD AN EXTRA SIGNAL THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR, AND THEY TOLD US NO MM-HMM
UM, I PUSHED BACK AND SAID,
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH YOU FOR FOUR YEARS.
I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE THAT LONG.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH YOU GUYS FOR MORE THAN FOUR YEARS TO GET THIS PROJECT DESIGNED AND BUILT.
FOUR YEARS AGO, THE CITY CAME TO YOU AND SAID, WE NEED TO PUT A SIGNAL ON SEVEN.
WE NEED TO FIX THE SIGNAL ON 79, AND WE NEED TO PUT ONE ON FRONT STREET, YOU AND YOUR WHATEVER.
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THERE YOU GO.DECIDED WE DIDN'T NEED A SIGNAL ON RECIPROCAL INCIDENT.
SO WE'VE PROGRESSED FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS IN THAT DIRECTION.
NOW WE ARE ALL, WE'RE DONE WITH DESIGN.
IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGN.
WE ARE 90% DONE WITH ALL OF OUR UPRR COORDINATION.
AND NOW YOU COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU NEED A SIGNAL HERE.
SO NOT ONLY ARE YOU COSTING US MORE TIME, BUT YOU'RE GONNA COST US MORE MONEY.
SO WE PUSHED BACK AND TXDOT SAID THAT THEY WOULD TAKE OVER THE COSTS OF THE ANYTHING EXTRA ABOVE WHAT WE WOULD'VE HAD TO PAY ANYWAY.
SO THEY ARE PAYING FOR THE COSTS OF THE SIGNAL ON FRONT STREET.
THEY ARE PAYING FOR ALL THE ADDITIONAL COSTS ASSOCIATED.
THERE'S A RECENT CONVERSATION THAT JUST HAPPENED IN THE PAST FOUR OR FIVE WORK DAYS WHERE OUR, THEY, OUR CONSULTANT HAS BEEN TOLD THAT THEY NEED TO UPDATE ALL OF THEIR PLANS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE ONE PLAN SET AS OPPOSED TO THEIR PLANS VERSUS SOMEBODY ELSE'S PLANS JUST ATTACHED MM-HMM
WHICH WAS NEVER PART OF THE AGREEMENT WITH US IN TEXTILE.
SO WHO'S GONNA DO THAT? SO OUR CONSULTANTS SAID THEY WOULD DO IT, BUT THEY SENT US A CHANGE ORDER OR AN AMENDMENT TO THEIR CONTRACT FOR TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
I FORWARDED IT THAT TO TXDOT AND SAID, HEY, THIS IS BECAUSE OF YOU.
YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA PAY THESE EXTRA COSTS.
AND SO NOW THEY'VE ASKED FOR OUR CONSULTANT TO DO A DETAILED BREAKDOWN FROM WHAT THEY WOULD'VE HAD TO DO NO MATTER WHAT, JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIMELINE TO WHAT THE, AND SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO JUST GET TXDOT TO COVER THOSE EXTRA COSTS.
BUT THERE STILL WILL BE AN INFLATIONARY FACTOR, NOT TO MENTION THE POTENTIAL.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE A COST BECAUSE OF THE MORE DELAY TOO, UH, TARIFFS.
BUT WE'RE GETTING NOTIFICATIONS FROM ALL OF OUR CONTRACTS THAT THERE'S POTENTIAL IMPACTS FROM TARIFFS.
ONE, UM, DO YOU FORESEE ANY, BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT DESIGN COMPANIES, TWO DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES, BOOTS ON THE GROUND ESSENTIALLY SIMULTANEOUSLY.
DO YOU SEE ANY LOGISTICS ISSUES POSSIBILITY IN YOUR ENGINEERING? IT WON'T BE.
SO YES, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT CONSULTING COMPANIES.
UHHUH,
BUT IT WILL ONLY BE ONE CONTRACTOR.
SO WE'RE TAKING THE SIGNAL THAT T DESIGN RIGHT.
TAKING ALL OF THEIR CONSULTANTS INFORMATION.
WE'RE PUTTING IT IN OUR PLAN SET.
WE'RE GONNA BID IT AS ONE PROJECT.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE ONE CONTRACTOR OUT THERE DOING ALL THE WORK.
ONE LAST THING IS, I, I'M FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THIS 'CAUSE YOU'VE SPENT MANY TIMES THERE.
'CAUSE I'VE ASKED YOU SO MANY TIMES.
BUT, UM, WHAT IS THE AG OPINION THAT YOU REFER TO IN THIS SHORT COUPLE SENTENCE TYPE OF THING? SO, OKAY, IN 2018, THE CITY DID A GEO BOND ELECTION.
UHHUH,
ONE WAS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, ONE WAS FOR PARKS, AND ONE WAS FOR TRANSPORTATION.
UM, ANYWAY, SO, UH, APPARENTLY SOMETIME IN 20 21, 20 22, SOMEWHERE AROUND IN THERE, UH, CITIZENS IN HUDA FILED COMPLAINTS AGAINST THE CITY BECAUSE THE, IN THEIR MIND, THE CITY HAD NOT LIVED UP TO WHAT IT SOLD THE GEO BONDS FOR.
AND SO THERE WAS BASICALLY AN ORDER THAT CAME DOWN FROM THE AG SAYING, CITY OF HUDU, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ISSUE, ISSUE ANY MORE BONDS UNTIL THIS IS RESOLVED.
THAT'S THE TWO YEAR LAPSE, NEGOTIATED WITH THEM AND SAID, ALL RIGHT, IF WE WILL DO THESE THREE PROJECTS, WHICH WERE SPECIFICALLY STATED IN THE BOND ELECTION, CAN WE MOVE FORWARD? AND THE AG SAID, YES, IF YOU WILL 100% FUND THOSE THREE PROJECTS OUT OF ALL YOUR REMAINING BOND FUNDS, THEN YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND START ISSUING DEBT AGAIN.
DID THAT CAUSE A, A DELAY OF GETTING FUNDS FOR TWO YEARS OR IS THAT SOMETHING UNRELATED? WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT TWO YEARS.
I KNOW THAT UNTIL IT WAS RESOLVED, THE CITY COULD NOT ISSUE ANY BONDS.
I THINK THERE WAS SOME PEOPLE, I HAD SOME VERY HARD HEADS DURING THAT TIME.
UH, THIS IS THE 1 37 AND 1660 SOUTH.
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SLOWED US DOWN PRETTY TREMENDOUSLY ON THIS ONE.RIGHT NOW IT IS LOOKING LIKE WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET TO CONSTRUCTION IN FY 20, IN FY 25.
WHEN I SAY FY IS BECAUSE THERE'S A SLIM POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD GET INTO CONSTRUCTION IN CALENDAR YEAR 25, BUT NOT FISCAL YEAR 25.
SO LET ME ASK EVERYBODY, DOES IT MAKE SENSE THEN TO FUND IT IN 25? OR IS THAT ONE OF THOSE WE HAVE TO HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT PERCENT FUNDING.
SO IF WE'RE NOT GONNA START TURNING DIRT AND THE, IS THE PLAN COMPLETE, UH, 68 OR 90%? 90.
SO I IMAGINE WE'LL NEED SOME FUNDS IN STILL IN 25 TO FINISH UP, TO FINISH UP THE DESIGN.
BUT THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT, CALL THAT 10% AND MOVE THE OTHER 90%.
'CAUSE A LOT OF THAT, I MEAN, WE ALREADY HAVE THE CONTRACT AND WE WERE ANTICIPATING BEING IN CONSTRUCTION ALREADY.
SO I THINK MOST OF THAT $10 MILLION WAS ANTICIPATED TO BE CONSTRUCTION FUNDS.
WELL, I PERSONALLY THINK IF WE'RE NOT DOING CONSTRUCTION INTEL FY 26 OCTOBER AT THE EARLIEST, WHY NOT PUT THE MONEY THERE? OKAY.
AND THAT'S T OH 5 2 2 2 0 2 0.
SO WE GOT 10 MIL AND WE'RE GONNA PUSH, SAY THAT AGAIN.
YEAH, I, I KNOW, BUT WHAT I MEAN, I SAY SAY WHAT YOU WANNA DO IF WE'RE NOT, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA BE TURNING DIRT IN FY 25 RIGHT.
AND WE DON'T HAVE TO START WRITING CHECKS IN 2025.
THEN LET'S PUT THE MONEY IN 2026.
AND BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT WAS SITTING IN 2025.
AND I DON'T WANT ANYONE GOING, OH, LOOK, WE DIDN'T SPEND THIS 10 MIL ON THIS PROJECT.
WELL, THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH FOR THE DESIGN STUFF.
I MEAN, WHEN WE GET TO THE FINAL VERSION OF ALL OF THIS, I'LL HAVE VETTED IT ALL WITH FINANCE, SO, OKAY.
YOU CAN MAKE SURE, BUT, UH, ALL RIGHT.
SO THAT ONE'S IN BLUE BECAUSE IT'S, REMEMBER BLUE MEANS IT'S IN DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.
ONE MORE QUESTION ON T OH FIVE.
UH, IS THAT DEBT? IT IS DEBT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ISSUED.
SO THAT'S WHY I'VE NOT MARKED IT AS NEW DEBT.
WE DON'T WANNA FALSELY INFLATE THE NUMBERS.
UH, LAKESIDE OF STATE SIDEWALKS, SO PHASE ONE IS DONE, PHASE TWO IS DONE.
PHASE THREE HAS BEEN DESIGNED, BUT WE CAN'T GET RIGHTS OF ENTRY ON PHASE THREE.
SO THAT'S WHY THIS ONE IS BLUE, IS BECAUSE IT'S DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, UH, THERE IS A GOOD POSSIBILITY THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE POSTPONED UNTIL THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN GET ON BOARD WITH ITSELF.
HOW OLD IS THE SUB SUBDIVISION? I WOULD, I DON'T RECOMMEND THAT.
IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S NOW ON BOARD, THEN, UH, HOW OLD IS THE SUBDIVISION? UHHUH
NO, NO, IT WAS EARLY, EARLIER THAN THAT.
AND THE DEVELOPERS DIDN'T DO FIVE, IT'S PROBABLY 2000.
IT WAS BUILT AS PART OF THE COUNTY.
AND HOW LONG HAD THEY BEEN ANNEXED DO? NO, THEY WERE ANNEXED.
DO YOU KNOW WHEN MAKES WAS ANNEXED? UM, DEBBIE WAS, DEBBIE WAS MAYOR.
SO IT WOULD'VE BEEN, IT 12, BEEN 12, 14, 2009 OR 10.
IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT BE RIGHT THERE.
AND SO PART OF, AT THAT TIME, THEY ASKED FOR SIDEWALKS, MY UNDERSTANDING MM-HMM
UM, SO PHASE ONE, WE STARTED GIVING 'EM SIDEWALKS.
PHASE TWO, WE GAVE THEM MORE SIDEWALKS.
PHASE THREE, WE WERE GONNA DO EVEN MORE SIDEWALKS.
BUT MOST OF THE HOMEOWNERS THAT WE NEED RIGHTS OF ENTRY FROM TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THE SIDEWALKS, HAVE, HAVE REFUSED TO GIVE IT TO US.
CAN YOU NOT, CAN WE NOT GO IN AND AS I CALL IT, THE DOMAIN, IN THE DOMAIN, IT'S A RIGHT OF WAY, BUT WELL, WOULD YOU RATHER DO THAT OR WOULD YOU RATHER THEY GIVE IT UP FREELY AND NOT MAKE ENEMIES OUT OF WELL, IT'S A RIGHT OF WAY ANYWAY.
WELL, THEY'RE STILL THAT IT'S THEIR EASEMENT.
BUT THE THING IS, THEY MAY NOT HAVE DONE EASEMENTS, UM, FOR THAT.
BUT SEE, DEVELOPMENT, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR RIGHT.
OF ENTRY BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET ON THEIR PROPERTY.
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BUILDING, THAT'S NOT RIGHT AWAY.SO THEN WE HAVE TO GO FILE INJUNCTIONS RIGHT.
AGAINST ALL OF THEM TO COMPEL THEM TO GIVE US ACCESS TO THEIR PROPERTY.
WELL, I SAY IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN YOU PUT IT UP, LET YOU POSTPONE IT, POSTPONE IT UNTIL THE NEIGHBORHOOD GETS TOGETHER.
IT BACK UNTIL THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER.
THEY'RE EVENTUALLY GONNA WANT IT BAD.
AND AFTER THE FACT THEY'LL SAY, YES, WE'LL GIVE YOU THIS.
IT MIGHT BE EASIER TO GET THEIR COOPERATION NOW THAT THEY ARE SELF, THEIR HOA IS ALL TAKEN OVER COMPLETELY BY THE RESIDENTS.
THE BUILDERS NO LONGER INVOLVED IN IT ALSO.
SO IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO APPROACH THE, I MEAN, WE'VE MET WITH THE HOA AND THE HOA SAID THAT THEY WOULD HELP, BUT, UM, THE HELP HAS BEEN LIKE PUTTING STUFF OUT ON THEIR WEBSITE, REACHING OUT TO, BUT I MEAN, THEY CAN'T FORCE NO OWNERS TO GIVE US.
SO SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE PUSH FROM 25 INTO 26 ON THAT ONE? I WOULD PAY IT, I WOULD PUT IT I'D TO 27.
GIVE THEM A YEAR, A YEAR AND A HALF TO THINK ABOUT IT.
AND, AND THEY HAVE NOBODY TO BLAME BUT THEMSELVES.
WELL, WHAT I WAS THINKING AS AN ALTERNATE TO PUSH PUSHING THAT WHOLE AMOUNT OUT IS SPLITTING UP.
WHAT IS THAT? 1.3? ONE POINT? ALMOST 1.4.
WHAT IF WE WERE TO SPLIT THAT INTO, WELL, LET'S JUST CALL IT, UH, 350,000 PER YEAR ADDED ONTO THE REFI ON T OH ONE.
AND IF THEY EVER GET IT IN THEIR HEAD, HEY, EVERYONE ELSE IS GETTING SIDEWALKS, WE SHOULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, GET OFF THE POT AND GET OUR SIDEWALKS, THEN WE CAN START REAL REALLOCATING MONEY.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THE MONEY THAT WE'RE NOT SPENDING ON THEIR SIDEWALKS, WE'RE SPENDING ON SOMEONE ELSE'S.
YOU CAN SPEND IT ON MY SIDEWALKS AND I, THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THERE'S PLENTY OF NEED OUT THERE.
WE WERE PROMISED, WE WERE PROMISED SIDEWALKS TOO.
FOR THE RECORD, IT'S 2010 ANNEXATION.
SO THAT, THAT WAS MY THINKING AS AN ALTERNATE.
THE EASY ONE IS TO PUSH IT OUT.
I BUT IF WE KNOW WE NEED SIDEWALK WORK IN THIS TOWN, I, I SAY TAKE, TAKE THEIR MONEY AND RIGHT.
START PARCELING IT OUT TO THESE OTHER SIDEWALKS.
I, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY I AGREE WITH YOU.
I WOULD TAKE THE MONEY AND PUT IT TO WHERE IT'S WANTED BY THE RESIDENCE.
THEY DON'T WANT IT OVER THERE RIGHT NOW.
AND FIND, WE GO FIND SOMEBODY ELSE THAT WANTS IT AND APPRECIATES THE FACT THAT WE'RE, YOU'RE GONNA GET SIDEWALKS.
AND THEY HAVE NOTHING, NO ONE TO BLAME IT, THE THEMSELVES FOR NOT HAVING SIDEWALKS.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST REAL SIMPLE.
AND THAT 1.4 OVER, YOU KNOW, 26, 27, 28, AND 29, THAT'S 350,000 EACH.
THAT'S A NICE BUMP TO THE REFI BUDGET.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING FROM FIVE 50 TO 800 OR 900.
AND EACH YEAR WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A 1.4 MILLION.
WE'RE LOOKING AT 350,000 PLUS ON TOP OF THAT, IT FREES UP MATT AND HIS CREW FROM HAVING TO DEAL WITH THESE PEOPLE.
THEY'VE DEALT WITH THEM AND DEALT WITH THEM.
AND IT'S, IT'S TIME TO CUT IT OFF.
LET FREE UP, FREE UP MATT AND HIS GROUP TO WORK ON ANOTHER PROJECT.
YOU GUYS FIGURE IT OUT WHEN YOU WANT TO.
BUT UNTIL THEN, WE'RE GONNA DO SIDEWALK WORK.
LET 'EM DO A PETITION, HAVE EVERYBODY SIGN IT THAT WANTS THE SIDEWALKS DONE.
WELL, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE WHERE EVERYBODY AGREED TO IT, NOT JUST, I MEAN, YOU HAVE ONE THAT DOESN'T AGREE TO IT AND THAT CAN THROW OFF A WHOLE MM-HMM
BUT MAJORITY, I WOULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT SPLITTING THAT UP INTO THE YEARS.
I'VE, I'VE PUSHED IT OUT TO 27 AND I'VE ADDED A NOTE, TALKS ABOUT BREAKING IT UP INTO MULTIPLE YEARS SO THAT I CAN COME BACK AND MAKE THE EDITS.
UH, NEXT ONE IS T SEVEN, WHICH IS THE 1 32.
IT'S CALLED THE 1 32 OVERPASS.
UM, AS YOU GUYS MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE, UH, THE EDC AND THEIR DEVELOPER THAT THEY HAVE AN MOA WITH, UH, PUSHED BACK AND SAID AN OVERPASS IS BAD FOR BUSINESS.
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SO THEY ARE PROPOSING AN AT GRADE CROSSING.WE WENT BACK TO TDOT, WE WENT BACK TO UPRR, WE GOT PUSHBACK FROM BOTH OF THEM.
UM, TDOT IS REQUIRING US TO DO AN ICE STUDY, WHICH IS AN INTERSECTION CONTROL EVALUATION STUDY.
THAT IS A PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED NATIONALLY BY THE FHWA.
UM, TEXT DOT ROLLED IT OUT ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO AGO.
AND SO THIS WILL BE THE SECOND TIME THAT HUDDLE'S HAD TO DO ONE.
WE GOT PRELIMINARY DATA BACK YESTERDAY FROM OUR CONSULTANT WHO'S DOING THE ICE EVALUATION.
UH, THE WAY THE ICE WORKS IS YOU START AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL VIEW AND YOU LOOK AT VEHICLE CAPACITY RATIOS, UM, AND YOU LOOK AT, UM, BASED ON VOLUMES OVERALL SAFETY RATIOS.
AND SO THAT HELPS YOU NARROW IT DOWN.
SO IT'S KINDA LIKE A FUNNEL, RIGHT? YOU HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND YOU START PLUGGING IN DATA AND, AND THE SYSTEM BASED ON THE DATA YOU'RE PLUGGING IN STARTS NARROWING DOWN YOUR OPTIONS.
SO THIS ONE'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED BECAUSE THERE'S TWO POSSIBLE OPTIONS.
THERE'S AT GRADE AND THEN THERE'S GRADE SEPARATED.
SO THEY'VE NARROWED IT DOWN TO TWO POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS AT GRADE, AND THEY'VE NARROWED IT DOWN TO THREE POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS.
GRADE SEPARATED IS, SO IN OUR CASE GRADE SEPARATED IS YOU'VE GOT 79 AND THE RAILROAD ON THE GROUND MM-HMM
AND 1 32 GOES UP AND OVER, BOTH OF THEM.
YOU'RE SEPARATED BY GRADE, YOU'RE STILL CROSSING, IT'S AN OVER PASS, BASICALLY.
THAT'S A, UM, SO THE TWO AT GRADE CROSSINGS THAT THEY HAVE NARROWED IT DOWN TO IS A TRADITIONAL SIGNAL.
SO JUST LIKE CHRIS KELLY IN 79, VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL.
THEN THEY HAVE A NEW SIGNAL SOLUTION.
I SAY NEW, IT'S WOULD BE NEW TO US.
UH, I THINK THEY HAVE ONE IN CEDAR PARK, WHICH IS ONE THEY SHOWED US YESTERDAY.
BASICALLY WHAT IT DOES IS IT SEPARATES YOUR LEFT TURN LANES OFF OF SEVEN ON.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING EAST OR WEST ON 79 MM-HMM
INSTEAD OF HAVING, THIS IS HARD TO EXPLAIN, JUST WAVE IN MY HAND.
SO THINK ABOUT CHRIS KELLY, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT YOUR THROUGH LANES OF TRAFFIC AND YOU'VE GOT YOUR LEFT TURN LANES RIGHT.
WHEN YOU ARE TURNING LEFT RIGHT, YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR THROUGHS THAT CAN GO STRAIGHT THROUGH, RIGHT? MM-HMM
THE DROP LEFT SEPARATES THOSE LEFTS.
SO THEN THEY GET THEIR OWN LOG TURN TIME.
SO YOU'VE GOT CONSISTENT THROUGH TRAFFIC, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR LEFT TURNS TO GET THEIR OWN TIMES MM-HMM
AND, BUT LEFT TURNS ARE GOING AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, AND SO IT JUST KIND OF CHANGES THE WAY THAT THE SIGNAL OPERATES.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO GRADE WHAT INTERSECTION IN CEDAR PARK IS.
IT'S, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT'S AT RONALD REAGAN, UH, WHERE RONALD REAGAN BECOMES PALMER.
I KNOW, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S GOT A WALMART THAT IS THE MOST CONFUSING INTERSECTION YES.
IT'S WORSE THAN WE WERE JUST OUT THERE LAST WEEK.
'CAUSE FLICKERVILLE HAS ONE, IF YOU'RE THROUGH THEM A LOT, YOU GET USED TO IT.
AND NOW WHEN PEOPLE GO THROUGH THERE, WE HAVE, I ALWAYS SEE THE PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT ONE MM-HMM
BUT IT WAS ONE OF THE WORST INTERSECTIONS THAT IT WAS, IT WAS AWFUL.
AND NOW THERE'S HARDLY EVER ANY ACCIDENTS.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST 15 YEARS AND THEN THEY HAVE 'EM ALONG 35 ALONG UNIVERSITY.
THAT ONE ON UNIVERSITY MAKES A LOT OF, BUT YOU JUST, YOU JUST SAID THE DEVELOPER SAID AN OVERPASS IS NOT, UM, THEY'RE AGAINST IT.
UH, BASICALLY THEY'RE AGAINST IT BECAUSE BASED ON WHOEVER IT IS THAT THEY'RE TALKING TO, AND THEY HAVEN'T TOLD ME WHO THEY'RE TALKING.
THEY'VE SAID THAT IT WOULD REDUCE VISIBILITY FOR THEIR PROJECT, AND SO THEY DON'T WANT TO BE THERE.
SO THEN YOU, BASED ON THAT, YOU JUST SAID YOU'RE REALLY ELIMINATING THE, THE ONE
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THAT YOU, WHATEVER YOU CALLED IT, THE GRADE SEPARATED THE GRADE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ELIMINATING THAT BASED ON WHAT THE DEVELOPER SAID ABOUT IT.SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING THE OTHER INTERSECTION.
I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY THERE, NUMBER ONE.
AND NUMBER TWO, THERE'S OTHER DEVELOPERS.
SO YEAH, I MEAN, HEALTH AND SAFETY IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE.
IS IT NOT? I MEAN,
YOU KNOW, WE'RE DEALING WITH A RAILROAD TRACK THERE, AND WE'VE GOTTA THINK ABOUT THE SAFETY OF CARS TRAVELING THERE AND GETTING OVER THAT RAILROAD TRACK.
THE OTHER DAY I SAT FOR 15 MINUTES.
I KNOW IT WAS FOR A TRAIN, AND I IT THE LONGEST TRAIN I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE.
SO, SO I DON'T KNOW THE DEVELOPER, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT MIDWAY.
SO I HAVE NO IDEA WHO MIDWAY IS, HERE'S, HERE'S, THEY'RE PRETTY BLACK BELT.
HERE'S THE REALITY OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
THEY ARE NOT, THEY'RE A DEVELOPER.
THEIR JOB IS TO COME IN, BUY THE LAND, SELL THE LAND, GET OUT, MAKE THEIR MONEY, AND MOVE ON.
THAT'S EVERY DEVELOP, AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS ABOUT MIDWAY, I'M SAYING THIS ABOUT EVERY DEVELOPER TO DEAL WE, I, I'M SORRY,
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT DEALING WITH THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE LOOKING AT SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA LOOKING AT I UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO I CAN TELL YOU, AND I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN YOU DO THIS ICE ANALYSIS, YOU RUN THROUGH CONSTRUCTION NUMBERS MM-HMM
FOR, SO IN OUR CASE IT'S FIVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
RIGHT? YOU RUN THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION NUMBERS AND YOU SAY, THIS IS HOW MUCH EACH OF THOSE ARE GONNA COST.
YOU RUN THROUGH, UM, DELAY COSTS.
SO HOW MUCH IS AN ECONOMIC BENEFIT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SITTING IN TRAFFIC.
SO YOU PUT THAT INTO THE ANALYSIS.
YOU LOOK AT BASED ON VOLUME AND THE TYPE OF INTERSECTION, WE HAVE NATIONAL TRENDS ON, NUMBER OF COLLISIONS, NUMBER OF FATAL COLLISIONS, NUMBER OF INJURY COLLISIONS.
SO YOU PLUG THAT IN AND THAT'S AN ECONOMIC FACTOR THAT YOU HAVE THAT IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN THIS ANALYSIS.
AND THEN, AND THEN YOU ADD ALL OF THAT UP AS WELL AS LOOKING AT THE ENGINEERING THINGS LIKE VEHICLE CAPACITY RATIO, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND BASICALLY YOU GET, IT'S NOT REALLY A RANKING, BUT IT KIND OF SHOWS YOU BASED ON ALL OF THAT, WHICH ONES SCORE BETTER THAN OTHERS.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT BASED ON THE ENGINEERING, JUST LOOKING AT ENGINEERING, THE ONES THAT SCORE THE HIGHEST BASED ON HOW MANY VEHICLES CAN GET THROUGH THE INTERSECTION AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, MINIMIZING DELAY, MAXIMIZING LEVELS OF SERVICE, ARE THE GRADE SEPARATED CROSSINGS.
I CAN ALSO TELL YOU THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE, THE AT GRADE CROSSINGS ARE WAY CHEAPER.
THAN THE GRADE SEPARATED CROSSINGS.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY TOO.
I THINK THEY WOULD BE CHEAPER, MAN.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT TOTAL COST, RIGHT.
ADDING ALL THOSE FACTORS THAT I LISTED, THE TRADITIONAL SIGNAL IS ACTUALLY NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN ANY OF THE OVERPASSES.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT'S ALSO THE MOST DANGEROUS.
SO HOW MANY LANES ARE WE LOOKING AT ON THE ROAD? HOW MANY, HOW MANY LANES? UM, SO TEXDOT IS REQUIRING THAT WE HAVE SIX THROUGH LANES ON 79.
AND BASED ON PROJECTED TRAFFIC VOLUMES, YOU WOULD NEED TWO TURN LANES, TWO LEFT TURN LANES.
AND THEN YOU WOULD NEED A, SO WAIT, THREE AND THREE, RIGHT? THAT'S 79.
YOU EXPLAIN, I HIT HER AGAIN
SO WE'VE GOT THREE AND THREE STRAIGHT THROUGH.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE TWO AND TWO LEFTS.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE TWO RIGHT TURN LANES.
SO THAT'S 12 LANES JUST ON 79.
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1 32 ULTIMATE CROSS SECTION IS SUPPOSED TO BE A SIX LANE DIVIDED ROADWAY, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THREE LANES NORTH AND SOUTH.ONE LEFT TURN LANE FOR EACH OF THOSE.
BECAUSE WE DON'T PROJECT THE VOLUMES TO BE HIGH ENOUGH.
SO NOW YOU'RE AT EIGHT MM-HMM
AND THEN A RIGHT TURN LANE ON EACH SIDE.
SO YOU'VE GOT 10 LANES NORTH SOUTH, 12 LANES EAST, WEST, 10, GREAT SEPARATION AND SAYS, YAY, GO WITH ME.
AND WE'RE PAYING FOR ALL THAT.
UH, UNLESS WE CAN GET THE COUNTY OR TEXTILE TO PAY FOR SOME OF IT.
I MEAN, I IT FOR NOT PAY FOR PART OF IT.
WE'RE MESSING WITH THE STATE HIGHWAY, AREN'T WE? 79
THEY'RE FOCUSED ON OTHER THINGS RIGHT NOW.
HOW MUCH ARE YOU PROJECTING SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO COST? I MEAN, I DON'T, I'M JUST, I'M JUST NOT GONNA HOLD YOU TO IT, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT DO YOU THINK? SO THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE THAT WE GOT FOR THE OVERPASS DESIGN THAT WE ORIGINALLY CHOSE BEFORE EVERYTHING WAS PUT ON HOLD, RIGHT? AND WE DELAYED OUR STUFF ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO WAS THAT IT WAS GONNA BE AROUND $83 MILLION, RIGHT? MM-HMM
WITH INFLATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BASED ON NUMBERS THAT THEY RAN FOR THE ICE ANALYSIS, THEY'RE PROJECTING THAT JUST THE TRADITIONAL OVERPASS WOULD BE NORTH OF A HUNDRED MILLION CENTURY.
AND THE AT GRADE, UH, THAT, SO THE REGULAR SIGNAL AS, AS THEY WANT, THE REGULAR SIGNAL I BELIEVE WAS IN THE BALLPARK OF 30 TO 40 MILLION.
HOWEVER, SORRY, I'M THINKING 10, 15 YEARS FROM NOW, THE CITY'S STILL GONNA HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY TO EXPAND THE ROAD BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH THAT WE ARE GETTING AND THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA BE GOING THROUGH DEAD EAST AND WEST.
WELL, AND, AND HERE'S THE OTHER THING.
'CAUSE I WAS HERE WHEN, WHEN A LOT OF THESE CONVERSATIONS STARTED, THE MAIN PUSH FOR DOING A GRADE SEPARATED CROSSING WAS PUBLIC SAFETY.
NOT JUST COLLISIONS, WHICH IS A FACTOR, BUT GETTING POLICE FIRE EMS, NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE TRACKS MM-HMM
WHEN THE TRAIN IS COMING THROUGH MM-HMM
BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT CURRENTLY, AND EVEN WITH THE COUNTY DOING THEIR PROJECT THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS FOR WHOEVER'S TRYING TO RESPOND TO GET ACROSS WHICHEVER DIRECTION IS TO GO OUT TO ONE 30 MM-HMM
CROSS OVER THE TRACKS AND THEN COME BACK UP TO WHEREVER THEY NEED TO BE.
AND SO THE THOUGHT WAS LET'S PUT A CROSSING SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE CITY AND THEN COME BACK.
THAT GETS THEM OVER THE TRACKS, RIGHT.
STOPPING IF THEY HAVE TO TAKE THE LOOP AROUND 'EM TO GET TO A 9 1 1 CALL, THAT'S A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH.
WELL, HERE, HERE'S MY QUESTION.
HERE'S WHY I ASKED THE AT GRADE QUESTION, BECAUSE I WAS IN THE PRESENTATION MEETING WITH MIDWAY, AND ESSENTIALLY THEY WERE OF THE OPINION THAT YEAH, WE CAN DO THE GRADE SEPARATED LATER PHASE.
WELL, THEY'RE NOT PAYING FOR IT.
SO WHEN WE FINALLY DO GET, IF, IF WE SATISFY THE DEVELOPER AND DO GET THIS $40 MILLION, CHRIS KELLY INTERSECTION, JUMBO, CHRIS KELLY, WE STILL HAVE TO COUGH UP A HUNDRED MILLION 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD FOR THE OVERPASS, WHICH DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
I I UNDERSTAND THERE'S THE TECH STOCK STUDY ON 79 THAT GOES FROM I 35.
IT WAS TO HU BUT NOW IT'S TO TAYLOR.
THAT'S HOW LONG I I UNDERSTAND.
I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS ABOUT TWO YEARS FROM BEING COMPLETED OR LESS THAN THREE YEARS OF BEING COMPLETED.
SO IT WOULD BE TWO, AT LEAST TWO YEARS, TWO YEARS BEFORE IT'S COMPLETED.
AND THEY JUST STARTED, THEY JUST STARTED.
MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY JUST STARTED THE 79 STUDY.
DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T EVEN INCLUDE HUDA WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE.
AND THEY HADN'T STARTED IT YET.
DOESN'T IT GO EVEN FURTHER THAN TAYLOR, DOESN'T IT GO OUT TO ROCKVILLE? I I KNOW THEY EXTENDED IT FURTHER WEST MM-HMM
OR SORRY, FURTHER EAST BECAUSE OF ALL THE GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING OUT HERE.
AND SO, AND PART OF THAT WAS US PUSHING ON
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THEM RIGHT.TO SAY, HEY, YOU GUYS ARE STOPPING AT OUR DOORSTEP ON THE WEST SIDE.
WE'RE GROWING DOWN THE ROAD, WE'RE GROWING FASTER THAN THE PEOPLE TO THE WEST OF US.
WHY WOULD YOU IGNORE US AND JUST STOP RIGHT AT OUR CITY LIMITS? WHY DON'T YOU CONTINUE WHERE ALL THE GROWTH IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING? THIS THIS, LET CAN I FINISH THIS? YEAH, GO AHEAD.
SO GIVEN THAT THAT STUDY'S GONNA BE COMPLETED TWO OR THREE YEARS, WILL THAT NOT MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OR SOME PLAN OR TDOT WOULD START FUNDING ROAD EXPANSION AND UPGRADE, UH, EAST OF HU THAT MIGHT INCLUDE THAT HU THAT OVERPASS THERE AT OTHER INTERSECTIONS.
THAT CITY OF HUDA WOULD NOT HAVE TO FOOT THE BILL.
I AGREE IT MOST LIKELY WILL INCLUDE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT 79 NEEDS EXPANSION AND IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT MY GUESS IS THAT YOU ARE TALKING 10 YEARS, 10 YEARS BEFORE YOU SEE ANYTHING.
BECAUSE THE FIRST THING THAT TEXTILES GONNA DO IS THEY'RE GONNA COME UP AND SAY, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? HOW DO WE EXPAND THIS? AND THEN JUST THINK ABOUT JUST, I I, I'M NOT TRYING TO STIR THINGS UP, I PROMISE, BUT JUST THINK ABOUT DOWNTOWN OLD TOWN, HU MM-HMM
IF THEY COME THROUGH AND SAY, WE NEED TO EXPAND 79.
WHAT DOES THAT DO? GONNA WIPE IT OUT.
SOME BUILDINGS GONNA WIPE IT OUT.
YOU'RE GONNA LOSE BUILDINGS IN THE CO-OP MM-HMM
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T EXPAND IT TO THE SOUTH.
WELL, IIII, I THOUGHT YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU CAN'T, MY, MY, MY EARLY ADULTHOOD, I LIVED THROUGH 1 93 EXPANSION FROM BURNER ROAD TO SIX 20.
AND UM, AND NOW IT, THE DENSITY AND THE GROWTH RATE OR DIFFERENT THEN IT WAS IN THE 85 95 SOMETIME FRAME.
BUT I FORESEE THE SAME THING HAPPENING TO 79 FROM 35 TO WHEREVER, WHEREVER IT ENDS, UH, EAST TO, TO TOWARD, UH, TAYLOR AND BEYOND.
BUT I DON'T KNOW, I JUST, I JUST THINK THAT WITH ONE 30 BEING SUCH A CENTRAL HUB OF TRANSPORTATION, THAT YOU JUST CAN'T REALLY START AT 35 AND PEEL THE ZIPPER TYPE OF THING.
THEY'VE GOTTA, I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA BE SMARTER.
NOW, AGAIN, THE TIMING, WHO KNOWS WHAT THE TIMING IS, BUT ONE 30 AND 79 IS SUCH A HUGE INTERCHANGE FOR TRANSPORTATION.
ALSO, THE SOUTHEAST LOOP HOPEFULLY WILL BE NEAR COMPLETION IN THREE TO FIVE YEARS.
AND, UH, AND THAT MAYBE THERE WILL BE MORE FOCUS.
AGAIN, THIS IS ALL SPECULATION, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU BROUGHT UP, IS THE CITY OF HU GONNA BE ON THE TABS FOR ANOTHER A HUNDRED TO $200 MILLION OVERPASS AT ONE OR TWO OF THESE INTERSECTION, THESE CROSSOVERS NORTH, SOUTH BETWEEN HERE AND TAYLOR.
AND I'M THINKING THAT, I DON'T WANNA SIT THERE AND, AND SAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND MONEY NOW TO GET WHAT I GUESS IS A STOP GAP, YOU KNOW, A A, A NON-GRADED SOLUTION WHEN I THINK WE'LL HAVE HELP IN TXDOT.
BUT IS THIS 8, 10, 12 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD? WELL, MY, MY THOUGHT ON THE AT GRADE CONNECTION IS VERY SIMILAR TO, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER, THEY'RE GONNA DO THE SAFE WALK TO SCHOOL SIDEWALKS, UH, AT LIMMER IN 1660.
DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER THAT? AND THEN THEY WENT IN AND TORE IT UP MM-HMM
AND THEN THEY PUT NEW ONES DOWN AND THEY TORE THAT UP BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
IF, IF YOU BREAK IT DOWN, WHAT IS MORE MONEY? A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS FOR AN OVERPASS, UH, YOU KNOW, ABOVE GRADE OR AN AT GRADE THAT WILL COST US AT LEAST 40 MILLION PLUS ANOTHER HUNDRED MILLION DOWN THE ROAD.
WHICH ONE'S CHEAPER, RIGHT? WELL, ALL DAY LONG I'M GONNA PICK THE A HUNDRED MILLION.
I'M NOT SAYING EVEN IF WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT A WAY TO TIGHTEN OUR BELT OR, OR YOU KNOW, GIVE A 1 CENT BUMP ON THE TAXES OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, WE CANNOT FOR THE SAKE OF SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS OF THIS TOWN KICK THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD 10 YEARS.
SO IF I HAD TO, IF I HAD MY OWN DRUTHERS, I WOULD SAY IT WAS TO THE MULTI-GRADE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE 9 1 1 EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT I DO BELIEVE THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME RELIEF AND, UM, DOWN THE ROAD, BUT IT'S AN EIGHT TO 12 YEAR MINIMUM RIGHT.
AND WE MAY, WE MAY GET IT AND THAT WOULD BE AWESOME, BUT WE CAN'T, I DON'T THINK WE CAN PLAN, WE DON'T KNOW FOR TDOT OR, YOU KNOW, UH,
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FEDS OR RAILROAD JUST ALL OF A SUDDEN GOING, BEING BENEVOLENTI'M PROBABLY GONNA GET IN TROUBLE WITH THAT.
TO ME, WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT, THE ROAD, THE BRIDGE, THE OVERPASS OR DEVELOPMENT OH, THE ROAD ALL DAY LONG.
AND I THINK WE JUST ANSWERED IT.
MUSTANG ONCE OR WHATEVER, THEY DON'T CONTROL IT.
I THINK REGARDLESS WE GONNA GET A DEVELOPER THERE, COMMUNITY, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE ROAD GOES OVER OR NOT.
PLUS ON TOP OF THAT, THAT LAND'S GONNA SELL TO SOMEBODY.
WELL IT ADDS THREE OR FOUR TIMES.
YOU KNOW, LOOK AT STONE HILL, LOOK AT LARE AND TERRA.
LOOK AT ALL OF THESE PLACES THAT HAVE NO DIRECT ACCESS TO THEM.
AND IT SUCKS BECAUSE I WAS THERE WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING IT.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY STILL GET THERE.
THEY'RE STILL GETTING THERE AND THEY'RE STILL SUFFER.
I'M NOT ADVOCATING AGAINST, I JUST, I JUST WANNA, IT'S KIND OF LIKE ME TELLING MYSELF AS WELL, IS THAT I THINK IT'S SHORTSIGHTED BY TXDOT TO NOT LOOK AT THE EAST, WEST THOROUGHFARE.
AND YOU CAN'T START AT 35 AND PEEL IT OUT EAST.
YOU'VE GOTTA LOOK AT TO ME ONE 30 AND, AND GO BOTH DIRECTIONS.
'CAUSE I THINK, WAS IT MIL THORNDALE? OH, I'M SURE THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT, BUT THEY'RE JUST TELLING US THEY'RE GOING TO START AT 35 AND TAKE IT FROM 35 OUT TO PAST.
ROCKDALE OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, 35 TO SUNRISE AND ROUND ROCK.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO EXPAND THAT.
THEY PROBABLY COULD, BUT NOT A WHOLE LOT.
THE THING IS, ALL YOU'RE DOING IS MOVING THE, THE, THE BOTTLENECK.
I MEAN IF YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE STRATEGIC POINTS WITHIN THERE.
YOU'RE JUST MOVING THE BOTTLENECK.
LOOK WHAT THEY'RE DOING ON GATI SCHOOL ROAD.
I MEAN THAT'S PHENOMENAL WHAT THEY'RE DOING OVER THERE.
WELL, I MEAN IT'S JUST, WELL, YEAH, BUT IT'S HUGE.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HUDA.
WHAT IS BEST FOR THE RESIDENTS, THE PEOPLE THAT WORK AND LIVE AND PLAY HERE AND HANDS DOWN THE VOTERS, WHAT WAS IT, 71% SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WANT A JUSTICE CENTER.
THEY DIDN'T SAY WE WANT A JUSTICE CENTER JUST FOR ONE HALF OF THIS, OF THIS TOWN.
NEED THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO GO WITH JUSTICE CENTER, TO GO WITH THE DOWNTOWN SHOP AND PLAY AND ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT, BUT COULD PLAN IT AND, AND BUILD IT IN INCREMENTS.
SO FROM MY POINT OF VIEW ON THE, ON THE, ON THE, UH, 1, 3, 2, OH PASS.
UH, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW ON THAT ONE, WE NEED TO GET THAT THING ROLLING.
WHETHER IT BE PLANS, DESIGN, UM, WHAT, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT PULLING DOWN COS OR WHATEVER GENERAL OBLIGATION.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE FINANCING MECHANISMS, ET CETERA, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GET THAT BALL ROLLING LIKE IN 26, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A SHORT PROJECT.
YOU KNOW, GA SCHOOL, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO TO FIVE YEARS AND THAT'S JUST STREETS.
HOW LONG DID IT TAKE 'EM TO DO THE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 LANES OF CHRIS KELLY IN 79? IT WAS RELATIVELY QUICK.
BUT STILL, WE, WE GOTTA LOOK AT GETTING THIS GOING.
WE CAN'T KICK THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
SO WE'VE EXHAUSTED THE CURRENT CONTRACT.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT I'VE DONE HERE IS I'VE PUT IN, IN FY 26 A MILLION DOLLARS TO GET DESIGN GOING ALL OVER AGAIN.
ASSUMING THAT WE'RE, THE FIVE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE BASED ON THE ICE STUDY THAT TEXTILE IS REQUIRING ARE NONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE'VE CONSIDERED PREVIOUSLY.
UM, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US BY MIDWAY AND P DAWSON DOESN'T WORK.
UM, IT WAS KICKED OUTTA THE I STUDY EARLY ON.
UM, AND FOR COST REASONS, THEY HAVE SHRUNK WHAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY THINKING DOWN.
UM, AND SO IT'S NOT IN THE ANALYSIS EITHER.
SO THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE BASICALLY, ONCE WE GET THROUGH THIS ICE STUDY AND WE GET TEXT
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OUT ON BOARD AND WE GET CITY COUNCIL ON BOARD AND WE CAN GET UPRR ON BOARD, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE STARTING FROM SQUARE ONE ON DESIGN.WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME? ARE YOU LOOKING AT, UH, YOU'RE GONNA TAKE IT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT HOLDING YOU TO ALL THESE.
YOU'RE GONNA TAKE AT LEAST A YEAR, MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF JUST TO GET YOUR DESIGN DONE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND THEN YOU WOULD BE LOOKING A SLIP.
THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE CONSTRUCTION DATE WOULD BE SOMETIME IN 28.
ASSUMING THAT EVERYBODY CAN GET ON BOARD AND WE CAN ACTUALLY, AND THAT'S GONNA BE HERE, THAT'LL BE HERE A LOT QUICKER THAN WE THINK.
AND I, AND I AGREE WITH RICK, WE NEED TO GET SOMETHING GOING ON AT YEAH, I AGREE.
UN UNFORTUNATELY, IT, THIS IS PROBABLY NOT GERMANE TO THE DISCUSSION, BUT IS A DEVELOPER PAYING US FOR ALL OF THE MONEY WE SPENT ON GETTING TO THIS POINT OF HIM PUTTING IT ON HOLD BECAUSE HE'S SELLING A, A SHINY OBJECT? NOT THAT I KNOW OF.
WELL, WELL, MY QUESTION IS, WHY ARE WE LETTING HIM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
WHY ARE WE LETTING A, A, A DEVELOPER DICTATE? I DON'T KNOW.
BUT CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO LET HIM DICTATE.
I'M SAYING IT, IT ORIGINALLY THIS WAS EDC.
AND WE GAVE THE MONEY TO THEM, AND THEN WE WERE PAID BACK FOR THINGS LIKE THIS.
SO THAT WAS A, THERE WAS A, THE, I BELIEVE MIDWAY WAS BROUGHT IN AFTER JUST AFTER THAT.
BY, BY THEY PO I WAS THERE WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO US.
UM, ABOUT WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO.
NO, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT, UH, ABOUT SEVEN, EIGHT MONTHS AGO THEY CAME.
THEY'S ONLY BEEN IN THE THING FOR MAYBE SEVEN OR EIGHT MONTHS NOW.
THEY DID A, THEY DID A PRESENTATION.
I THINK I MET SOMEONE ELSE THOUGH.
AND CITY COUNCIL SAID, YEAH, YEAH, LET'S PUT IT ON HOLD.
IS MIDWAY PAYING US? NO, BECAUSE OUR STUFF JUST EXPIRED ACCORDING TO MATT.
SO THAT DELAY COST US MILLIONS, MILLIONS, MILLION DOLLARS IN PLANS OR HOWEVER MUCH IT WAS IN PLANS, UH, TECHNICALLY SINCE THIS WAS THE SECOND GO AT DESIGNING THIS THING, THIS PROJECT HAS ALREADY INCURRED ABOUT $2 MILLION IN DESIGN COSTS.
AND WE'RE GONNA BE STARTING ALL OVER AGAIN.
WELL, YOU GOTTA HAVE A CITY COUNCIL THAT'S, THAT'S WILLING TO DO IT TOO.
I KNOW, BUT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION.
I I AM GOING TO PUT MY COMMENT, IF WE ALL GET TO MAKE COMMENTS ON IT, STOP SPENDING MONEY AND NOT DOING ANYTHING TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
UH, SO WHAT I DID, AND YOU GUYS CAN TELL ME IF I'M INTERPRETING CORRECTLY.
SO I LEFT THE MILLION DOLLARS IN 26 AND THEN I SHIFTED THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, WHICH I'LL HAVE TO UPDATE THESE NUMBERS, BUT I SHIFTED IT FROM 2030 INTO 20 28 80.
IS THAT STILL THE 83? IT'LL GO UP, BUT RIGHT NOW I'VE GOT IT EIGHT STILL.
UH, NO, IT WENT FROM 30 TO 28.
AND TO ME THAT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE.
WE MAY HAVE TO FEEL SOME PAIN IN OUR PERSONAL BUDGETS, BUT THAT'S BETTER THAN DYING.
WELL, IT'S LIKE WE SAID LAST WEEK, IF YOU WANT ALL THIS STUFF, YOU GOTTA PAY FOR IT SOMEHOW.
ALRIGHT, WELL, THIS, TO ME, THIS ISN'T A WANT, THIS IS A NEED.
YOU'RE PUTTING PEOPLE'S SAFETY AT RISK BY NOT I I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH YOU ON THAT.
T EIGHT IS IN CONSTRUCTION, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA MESS WITH THAT ONE.
T NINE IS THE LIVE OAK PROJECT.
UH, SO SIMILAR STORY, WE DESIGNED THE LIVE OAK.
WE STARTED CONSTRUCTION, WE STOPPED CONSTRUCTION.
WE'RE DESIGNING LIVE OAK AGAIN.
WE ARE SUPPOSED TO GET INTO CONSTRUCTION THIS YEAR, IS WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
UM, I'M STILL PUSHING THE ENGINEER TO TRY TO GET US THERE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY THOUGHTS ON CHANGING
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ANYTHING ON LIVE OAK OR JUST LEAVING AS, AS IT WAS LIVE OAK.IT'S, UM, LAST I HEARD THEY, THEY WERE LOOKING AT MAKING IT ONE WAY.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO GET TO ON HERE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ON HERE AT ALL.
UM, BACK, UH, LAST SUMMER, I THINK IT WAS AT THE END OF THE SUMMER, THERE WAS A COUNCIL WORK SESSION TALKING ABOUT HOW WE WERE GONNA DEAL WITH OLD TOWN STREETS.
UM, AND THE, UH, WHAT'S THE WORD? UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SAID SHE, SHE WAS TELLING ME TO TELL A BAD
UM, IT BASICALLY LAID OUT WHAT WE WANT OUR DOWNTOWN STREETS TO LOOK LIKE.
THE PROBLEM IS YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH LIVE OAK.
IF YOU'RE GONNA FIX DRAINAGE AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PARKING AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SIDEWALKS AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AT LEAST TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM.
SO THE MEETING LAST SUMMER WITH COUNCIL WAS TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH ALL THE OLD TOWN STREETS.
'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON LIVE OAK, BUT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OTHER STREETS IN OLD TOWN TO DICK'S THAT HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS. AND SO THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT? SIDEWALKS, DRAINAGE, PARKING, ALL THINGS.
AND SO SOMEWHAT OUT OF TURN, I SAID, WELL, WELL, IF YOU GUYS DID ONE WAY STREETS, HE'S STILL CULPRIT SHOOTING
AND, AND I SAID, BECAUSE HERE'S THE THING.
IF YOU COULD DO ONE WAY STREETS MM-HMM
THEN YOU DON'T NEED TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC.
AND YOU COULD POTENTIALLY USE THE SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE TO CONVEY VEHICLES IN A SPECIFIC DIRECTION, STILL HAVE PARKING AND SIDEWALKS AND PUT YOUR DRAINAGE UNDERGROUND.
THAT SOLVES ALL OF THE THINGS YOU'RE TRYING TO SOLVE.
SO THEY SAID, OKAY, WE'LL COME UP WITH A CONCEPT.
THEY SAID, ALRIGHT, LOOKS REASONABLE.
UM, THEY DON'T LIKE ONE WAY STREETS.
UH, THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE STILL LIVING IN PARTS OF OLD TOWN SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT PARKING EITHER.
UM, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE PARKING THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND.
AND SO AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, I THINK IT WAS THE LAST ONE, MAYBE IT WAS THE ONE BEFORE THAT THEY HAD, THERE WAS PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THERE WAS A WHOLE SESSION ABOUT THIS OLD TOWN STREET CONCEPT.
UM, COUNCIL DIRECTED ME TO COME UP WITH A NEW PLAN.
AND I SAID, OKAY, DO YOU WANNA FOCUS ON SIDEWALKS? DO YOU WANNA FOCUS ON PARKING? DO YOU WANNA FOCUS ON DRAINAGE? YOU WANNA FOCUS ON THROUGHPUT? WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE FOCUSING ON? AND THEY SAID, GIVE US A PLAN THAT SOLVES ALL OF IT.
AND SO I'M WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW.
UM, ARE THE PEOPLE WILLING TO GIVE UP PART OF THEIR PROPERTY? THAT'S A LOT OF THEIR PROPERTY.
IF WE DO TWO WAY, IF PLUS PARKING, PLUS SIDEWALKS, THEY HAVE TO, I MEAN, THAT'S THE PROBLEM ON LIVE OAK.
IF WE WERE DO THAT LANE TRAFFIC, I PLUS PARKING, PLUS SIDEWALKS, I'M LITERALLY TAKING OUT PEOPLE'S FRONT DOORSTEP.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S NEVER GONNA FLY TOP DOWN, I THINK.
BUT THEY DON'T REALIZE THAT TRAFFIC IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA WORK DOWN HERE.
WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL, THE ORIGINAL PLAN FOR LIVE OAK WAS, SO THE ORIGINAL PLAN, THE ONE THAT WAS DESIGNED IN 20 18, 19 19, I THINK IT STARTED IN 2020 AND THEN PUT ON HOLD.
WAS BASICALLY TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC, UNDERGROUND DRAINAGE, AND FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK.
BUT THERE WERE TREES THAT MIGHT HAVE HAD TO COME OUT AND THEY WEREN'T UNDERGROUNDING ANY, BUT, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING, MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I COULD BE TOTALLY WRONG ON THIS, BUT THEY HAD A MEETING WITH OLDTOWN PEOPLE MM-HMM
AND THEY PRESENTED THAT PLAN MM-HMM
AND THEY TOLD THE PEOPLE AT OLDTOWN, YOU'RE GONNA LOSE SOME TREES IF WE DO THIS.
BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, A LOT OF THE TREES ARE PLANTED IN THE EASEMENT ANYWAY.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.
THERE WAS NO, THERE WERE CONCERNS EVEN AT THAT POINT.
AND IT WAS MOSTLY THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITH THE TREES THAT WERE LIKELY GONNA BE, 'CAUSE THEY WERE REALLY BIG TREES.
WELL, AGAIN, I KNOW THEY, I MEAN, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF EVERYBODY WAS LIKE, EH, IF WE LOSE A FEW TREES, BUT THE PEOPLE WHOSE TREES WERE ACTUALLY BEING LOST WERE A LITTLE BIT MORE, ONCE AGAIN, I LOOK AT IT THIS WAY, JUST LIKE THE SIDEWALKS AND, AND WHERE, WHERE IT WAS.
EITHER YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE UP STUFF TO GET IT OR NOT.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT UP, THEN THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE
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CAN DO.WE CAN GO IN AND RETOP THE STREETS AND WE CAN MAYBE PUT IN DRAINAGE AND A SIDE A, A SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE.
BUT I, I
THEY'RE, I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT KIND OF A SAME, SAME TOPIC, BUT I SEEM TO RECALL THAT WE WERE DISCOVERING GAS LINES, WATER LINES, YES.
IS THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT MAPPED OUT? I DON'T THINK SO.
NOT ALL OAK HOTEL IN OLD TOWN.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE FIRST STEP.
THERE'S AREAS FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, OR, OR ANYTHING TO.
BUT YOU GOTTA PUT IT IN GI IS BUT IF WE DON'T KNOW WHERE STUFF IS, WE'RE GOING TO RUN INTO THE DELAYS LIKE WE DID THE FIRST TIME AROUND AND OH.
'CAUSE THEY WERE SUPER SHALLOW.
SO, WELL, I THINK WE HAVE A DIFFERENT PROJECT MANAGER NOW, AND THEN THE CIP TEAM IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THOROUGH THAN WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY.
WELL, WELL THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M KIND OF THINKING IS COULD WE BREAK IT DOWN INTO OLD TOWN MAPPING AND THEN OLD TOWN STREET DESIGN MM-HMM
AND THEN OLD TOWN STREET, UH, STREETS ONE, TWO, AND THREE, AND THEN OLD TOWN STREET 4, 5, 6.
BUT AT LEAST IF WE GO THROUGH AND DO THE MAPPING AND YEAH.
AND NEXT YEAR COUNCIL SAYS, HOLD UP, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN.
I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA.
THAT WAY WE HAVE A MAP AND WE KNOW WHERE LINES ARE, SEWER LINES, WHATEVER.
I I IT IS NOT JUST A BUNCH OF PLASTIC FLAGS IN THE YARD.
SO I CAN TELL YOU ON WATER AND WASTEWATER, 'CAUSE THOSE ARE BOTH UNDER OUR CONTROL.
UM, WE ARE MAPPING ALL OF THAT STUFF OURSELVES.
WE HAVE BOUGHT HARDWARE, SOFTWARE COOL.
TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND GPS EVERYTHING TO MAP IT.
UH, WE ARE GOING PAGE BY PAGE THROUGH AS-BUILT FILES.
'CAUSE WE'RE BUILDING THE MODELS MM-HMM
AND IN ORDER FOR THE MODELS TO WORK, SBI, THEY HAVE TO BE REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT'S IN THE REAL WORLD.
SO WE ARE MAKING SURE SLOPES, FLOW LINES.
UM, ALL THE ELECTRIC AND OLD TOWN THAT I'M AWARE OF IS OVERHEAD, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE WITH LIVE BOOK, PUTTING IT UNDERGROUND.
SO THEN IT JUST COMES DOWN TO GAS AND ANY OF YOUR TELECOMS THAT HAVE GONE UNDERGROUND, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND HAVE IT PIGGYBACKED ON ENCORE POLES.
HAVE THEY EXPRESSED AN OPINION OF, OF WHAT THEY WANT? WHO THE OLD TOWN FOLKS HAVE.
THEY HAVE, THEY COME OUT AND SAID, WE WANT FOR SURE WE WANT THIS, THIS, THIS.
I MEAN, HAVE THEY, HAVE THEY CATEGORIZED THEM? LIKE NUMBER 1, 2, 3, 4? DEPENDS ON WHO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THERE'S 30 OF THEM BUSINESSES, PART OF OLD TOWN.
THEY WANT MORE PARKING, THEY WANT MORE PEDESTRIAN ABILITIES.
THE RESIDENT PART OF OLD TOWN, THEY DON'T WANT PARKING.
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT SIDEWALKS.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE AROUND THEIR HOUSES.
WELL, I, THAT'S THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN.
SO I, I I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT, AND THEN YOU HAVE, AND ASHLEY COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO THIS BETTER THAN I CAN, YOU HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS OR PROPERTIES IN OLD TOWN THAT ARE TRANSITIONS.
AND SO THEY MIGHT BE A RESIDENT RIGHT NOW, BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A TRANSITION ZONE, THEY COULD BE, I KNOW A COMMERCIAL TOMORROW.
OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH A FEW HOOPS, BUT RIGHT.
AND SO WE HAVE TO START PLANNING FOR THAT NOW.
I I KNEW THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE OLD HISTORIC MAP.
I MEAN, I SAY OLD, BUT THAT'S BEEN DONE SINCE BEFORE I WAS HERE.
AND SO THAT WHOLE TRANSITION OF THE ALL THE BLUE IS, TO ME, I GET WHERE SOME OF THE RESIDENTS ARE LIKE, HEY, I DON'T REALLY WANT IT FRONT MY HOUSE.
AND IF IT'S ALWAYS BEEN PLANNED, MAYBE THOSE ARE THE STREETS THAT WE DON'T DO RIGHT AWAY.
UM, BUT WE'VE ALSO SEEN ON TAYLOR STREET, A FEW OF THE OTHERS, WE'VE STARTED TO SEE THAT SHIFT EVEN ON LIVE OAK.
YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT SHIFT NOW.
UM, SO IT ONLY INCREASED THE PROPERTY VALUES AND THE VIABILITY OF BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY BE THAT TRANSITIONAL ZONE.
UH, AND I MEAN, HOPEFULLY FIX SOME OF THE DRAINAGE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE DOWN THERE, WHICH
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RIGHTFULLY SO.I, THOSE PUDDLES GET INTENSE DURING THE RAIN.
'CAUSE IF THEY'RE GONNA BE EVENTUALLY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, I WOULD MAKE A PITCH IN FOR THE WATER WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE SIDEWALKS.
SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD TAKE YOUR PROPOSAL AND I WOULD OFFER THIS MODIFICATION.
'CAUSE WHAT I'M DOING IS I'M COMING UP WITH THE FIRST PHASE OF OLD TOWN RIGHT.
THAT I'M SUPPOSED TO BRING BACK TO CITY COUNCIL.
UH, I'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON WEST MAIN AND EAST SO FAR.
THE REASON WHY I'M FOCUSING THERE, IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT MAP, IS BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY EASY.
ALMOST ALL OF THAT IS EITHER ALREADY COMMERCIAL OR IT'S IN THE TRANSITION ZONE.
WHICH MEANS IT'S EASY FOR ME TO APPEASE THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ALL WANT THE SAME THING.
THEY WANT PARKING AND THEY WANT PEDESTRIAN.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA ADD IN DRAINAGE BECAUSE IT'S UNDERGROUND AND DOESN'T AFFECT THEM ANYWAY.
SO IT EFFECTIVELY ALLOWS ME TO DO FIRST PHASE AND GIVE EVERYBODY EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
SO THEN AS WE, ASSUMING THE COUNCIL BUYS OFF ON THAT AND WE PUT SOMETHING IN THE CIP TO DO THIS PROJECT, THEN THE FIRST THING WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD HIRE AN ENGINEERING TEAM, WHICH WOULD GO OUT AND DO ALL THE SURVEY.
THEY WOULD GO OUT AND DO POTHOLING.
THEY WOULD GO OUT AND LOCATE ALL THE UTILITIES SO THAT THEY CAN DO THE DESIGN.
SO WE WOULD KNOW WHERE ALL THE UTILITIES ARE, WHAT ALL THE UTILITIES ARE MM-HMM
AND BE ABLE TO DESIGN THOSE THINGS.
EVEN IF WE DON'T BUILD IT RIGHT NOW, WE WILL HAVE ALL THAT MAPPING.
WE WILL HAVE ALL THE ANALYSIS, WE WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THINGS ARE AND WE COULD ALWAYS JUST GET IT DESIGNED AND THEN SET IT ON THE SHELF UNTIL SOMEBODY'S ACTUALLY READY TO PULL THE TRIGGER.
THAT THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S A WISE IDEA.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING IS RIGHT.
LET'S FIND OUT WHERE EVERYTHING IS SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY DELAYS.
PUT A PLAN TOGETHER AND IF THE PLAN CHANGES, OKAY.
THE PLAN CHANGES, BUT WE'RE NOT TURNING DIRT NECESSARILY.
BUT WE ARE SHOWING EVERYONE IN OLD TOWN, HEY GUYS, WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS.
WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.
YOU NEED TO MAKE UP YOUR MIND.
AND IT OPENS THE WINDOW FOR THEM TO START SHARING WHAT THEIR MIND DID.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD EXACTLY, WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE FEASIBLE OR A GOOD IDEA IF WE PUT OUT A THING TO ALL TOWN ASKING FOR A GROUP OF O TOWN PEOPLE? I I DON'T MEAN HPC NO.
UNTIL THE MAPPING IS COMPLETE.
AND WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING GET, GET A COMMITTEE OF, I'LL JUST PUT IT THIS WAY, NON-MISSION, NON WHATEVER, REGULAR CITIZENS, SAY REGULAR CITIZENS, ASK TO HAVE A A COMMITTEE OF THEM OUT AND HAVE THEM LOOK AT EVERYTHING.
HAVE THEM GO DOOR TO DOOR AND TALK TO THEIR NEIGHBORS ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT.
LET THEM HAVE MEETINGS ABOUT IT.
AND I MEAN, MATT CAN GO TO A MEETING AND TALK ABOUT THINGS.
ASHLEY CAN GO AND, AND THEN YOU GET A BETTER PICTURE OF WHAT THEY WANT.
AND THEN YOU GO FROM THERE AFTER, AFTER IT'S ALL BEEN CLOSED.
AND I THINK THAT IS STEP THREE.
WHICH COULD BE 20, LATE 27 FISCAL YEAR, DEPENDING ON IT'S TAKE THAT ON TWO WEEKS TO PLAT EVERYTHING OUT.
YOU KNOW, THAT AND MAP MAPPING WILL BE DONE BY CLOSE OF BUSINESS TODAY.
BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR COMPANY
SHE SAID THAT THERE'S A BIG BONUS IN THERE,
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING.
ESPECIALLY THE MAP AND THEN GETTING A, TRYING TO COME UP WITH AS CONCRETE A PLAN AS POSSIBLE.
AND IT'S A, IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT AND IT'S A 18 TO 36 MONTHS TYPE OF THING FOR US TO GET INPUT.
BUT IT'S A, IN THE INTERIM, I MEAN, AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE'RE GONNA START TURNING DIRT ON LIVE VOTE.
SO THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME TYPE OF MITIGATION PLANS FOR TRAFFIC THAT YOU'VE ALREADY GOT IN YOUR HEAD.
THAT SOME OF THESE ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE ONE WAY STREETS TEMPORARILY.
UH, AND I'M JUST THROWING SOMETHING OUT WHERE EAST STREET IS, YOU KNOW, NORTHBOUND ONLY FROM 79.
UM, MAYBE, UH, A CON STREET IS ONE WAY, ONE WAY.
AND, AND THEN FARLEY'S THE OTHER WAY AGAIN UP NOT ACROSS, NOT EAST OF 1660.
AND THEN WE START TEARING UP LIVE OAK AND EITHER, YOU KNOW, IT'S DOWN TO ONE LANE ONLY.
BUT, UM, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY, UH, IS THAT, IS THAT A, AN IDEA THAT, THAT YOU'RE PUTTING TOGETHER ALREADY TO LOOKING ABOUT NOT FOR PERMANENT ONE WAY STREETS, BUT AT LEAST KIND OF TO PUT ONE WAY STREETS OUT THERE FOR MITIGATION, TRAFFIC MITIGATION PLANS WHILE DURING THE TIME THAT LIVE OAK IS BEING TORN UP AND NOT BEING ABLE TO USE AS A MAJOR EAST WEST.
SO YES, THE CONSULTANT IS WORKING ON A DETOUR PLAN
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FOR HOW TO GET PEOPLE THROUGH THE LIVE OAK AREA OR AROUND THE LIVE OAK AREA WHILE, UH, THE PROJECT ISN'T IN CONSTRUCTION.I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING THE BEST WE CAN TO MAKE STEPS ACROSS THE CITY RATHER THAN TEAR UP THE WHOLE THING AND MAKE IT A DISASTER.
UM, BUT SOME OF THAT YOU JUST CAN'T AVOID.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE UNDERGROUNDING ALL THE ELECTRIC RIGHT.
YOU CAN'T JUST UNDERGROUND PART OF IT AND THEN STOP.
WELL, I'M JUST THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS ONE WAY STREET PLAN, UH, IS NOT PALPABLE RIGHT NOW, BUT I ASSUME THE DETOUR PLANS ARE TO UTILIZE SOME ONE WAY STREETS AND THEN THAT INTRODUCES IT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THEY CAN SEE, HEY, THIS MIGHT WORK ON PECAN AND IT MAY TURN INTO PERMANENT, BUT AT LEAST GET SOME PUBLIC SENTIMENT PEOPLE THAT I WANT MY STREET TO BE ONE WAY THIS WAY AND IT'S GOING TO BE ONE WAY.
BUT IN SAME CONSTRUCTION, THEY'RE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.
IT'S THE TEMPORARY MEDIC TRAFFIC.
DE SAY, WHEN WE MOVED HERE, THEY WERE TWO WAY STREETS.
THAT'S ALWAYS THE WHOLE GAMBIT.
ONE, ONE THING THAT I'VE BEEN EXPRESSING MY CONCERN ABOUT WITH THE ONE WAY STREETS, I AM OKAY WITH ONE WAY STREETS AS LONG AS WE GET THE ISD IN ON IT.
BECAUSE THE LAST THING I WANT IS FOR ONE OF THOSE BIG YELLOW SCHOOL BUSES TO START TAKING OUT STRUCTURES OR I CAN'T SEE AND THEY GET HIT.
THAT'S THE LAST THING IN THE WORLD WE NEED BECAUSE THERE ARE CURRENTLY ONE WAYS, LIKE IN FRONT OF A RIVER HORSE.
I DON'T KNOW A RIVER HORSE, UH, THE, THE OLD, UH, SCHOOL.
I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THERE'S ONE WAY IN THEN IT'S NOT THE ONE WAY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED MORE WAY.
BUT MY POINT IS THAT ACCOMMODATING THE SCHOOL BUSES AND THEIR, THEY CAN MAKE THAT WIDE TURN, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
WE DON'T WANT 'EM DUMPING ONTO 1660 OR TRYING TO CROSS 1660.
SO I WOULD DEFINITELY, AND I, I TOLD THIS TO A COUPLE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, MAKE SURE THE ISD IS ON BOARD WITH THE ONE WAY STUFF.
AND IF THEY NEED TO TWEAK IT, THEN THEY KIND OF NEED TO TWEAK IT.
I'M GONNA GO WITH A SCHOOL BUS OVER YOUR PICKUP TRUCK 99 TIMES OUT OF A HUNDRED.
SO IS THERE, I I THINK PERSONALLY THAT WE STILL NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH LI OAK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
I, I KNOW THAT KIND MIGHT THROW SOME A, A KINK INTO SOME OF THE PLANS, BUT I, I WOULD, LI OAK IS A HORRIBLE STREET TO DRIVE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO, I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY FEASIBLE OR, OR WOULD IT BE JUST
I JUST DON'T WANT EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TO PUT A A, A STOP OR SOMETHING ON LIVE OAK.
THAT'S WHAT I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO DO.
I I DEFINITELY THINK FOR EVERYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE LIVE OAK STUFF THAT'S PENDING, I THINK EVERYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT IN OLD TOWN, WE NEED TO HAVE A SOLID PLAN.
HERE'S WHAT'S ON THE, IN THE GROUND.
ON THE GROUND, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
YOU GUYS TALK IT OVER AMONGST NEIGHBORS AND BUSINESSES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
YOU HAVE UNTIL THIS DATE ENJOY.
ARE WE, ARE, ARE, ARE WE LOOKING TO PUT CURBS AND EVERYTHING ON THE STREETS IN OAKTOWN OR, YEAH.
NO, I DIDN'T KNOW REAL OR REAL STREET.
WELL, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE NO PARKING IN OLD TOWN ON THE STREETS.
I, I JUST DON'T LIKE, I MEAN, IN THE, IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA, THAT'S FINE.
AND AS AREAS BECOME COMMERCIAL, THEN YOU CAN CHANGE THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW I WOULD BE TOTALLY AGAINST HAVING COMMERCIAL PARKING ON HOW TO STREET, I MEAN, PARKING ON, ON HUDDLE STREETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I, I PERSONALLY WISH THEY WOULDN'T ALLOW PARKING ON ANY OF THE STREETS ANYWHERE.
I, I DEFINITELY SEE CHALLENGES WITH THE PARKING ON STREET PARKING.
UH, AS FAR AS THE DESIGN GOES, ESPECIALLY IF, ESPECIALLY
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IF WE'RE GOING TO DO ANY SORT OF EXPANDED PARKING DOWNTOWN FOR THE BUSINESSES OR IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANYTHING GOING ON RIGHT HERE, BECAUSE I'M, I'LL BE HONEST, YOU CAN, YOU CAN BUY A GOLF CART OR ONE OF THOSE LITTLE TOY TRACTORS THAT HAULS A HAY WAGON AND YOU CAN SHUTTLE PEOPLE DOWN TO EAST STREET FROM THIS GARAGE.THEY DON'T HAVE TO PARK 50 FEET FROM MARIO'S.
HAS, HAS ANYBODY EVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE PARKING LOT THAT IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM MARIO'S? OR Y'ALL DON'T SHOOT ME WHEN I SAY THIS? A BUILDING, A PARKING GARAGE THERE.
I, I KNOW IT WOULD BE THE WORLD'S BIGGEST ONE, BUT IF YOU PUT IT UP, THE PEOPLE IN OLD TOWN WILL HATE THIS.
BUT IF YOU MADE IT A FIVE OR SIX STORY PARKING GARAGE LIKE THIS ONE, THERE'S YOUR PARKING.
I KNOW THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ADDING A PARKING GARAGE IN OLD TOWN.
I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS OF WHERE THEY'RE GONNA DO IT OR HOW TALL IT'S GONNA BE OR HOW BIG IT'S GONNA BE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I KNOW THAT THEY'VE DISCUSSED IT MULTIPLE TIMES.
WELL, THE FACT THERE'S A LOT OF ELECTRICAL UTILITIES UNDERNEATH THAT PARKING LOT.
WILL THAT CAUSE A PROBLEM BUILDING UP THERE? YEAH.
WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'VE GOT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
THAT'S, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M SAYING.
'CAUSE EVEN THIS ONE'S PRETTY TIGHT WHEN YOU'RE INSIDE.
IT'S, IT'S YEAH'S EFFICIENT, AS YOU CAN TELL.
I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BUILDING PARKING GARAGES.
THIS ONE'S ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS THE DOWNTOWN ROD, ROUND ROCK.
ONE, UH, RIGHT OFF OF THE PIZZERIA AND EVERYTHING DOWN THERE.
AND THAT ONE CAN GET A LITTLE TIGHT.
THE ONE RIGHT ACROSS FROM MARIO'S BUILDING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT'S A GO-KART TRACK.
WELL, IF THEY, IF THEY WERE TO EXPAND AND GET THE LAND WHERE THEY HOLD THE FARMER'S MARKET, OR I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HELD IT THERE ANYMORE.
BUT THAT LAND'S REALLY VALUABLE.
SO I THINK THAT HORSE IS SUFFICIENTLY BEATEN.
WE'RE GONNA KEEP LIVE OAK IN WHERE I'VE GOT IT BASICALLY RIGHT NOW, ASSUMING WE'RE GONNA GET THE CONSTRUCTION THIS YEAR.
T 10 EDGE SCHMIDT IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE.
IT HAS THE CITY PAID FOR A SAFETY STUDY.
THE CITY PAID FOR A TRAFFIC FLOW STUDY.
UH, THEN WE WERE GOING TO START DOING IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THEN DUE TO A VERY LARGE PRICE TAG TO FIX EVERYTHING ON EDGE SMITH THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED COUNCIL SAID WE'LL JUST DO, UH, A SIDEWALK AT THE SOUTH SIDE MM-HMM
AND FIX THE INTERSECTION AT THE NORTH SIDE.
SO THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
THEY ARE BOTH SUPPOSED TO BE IN CONSTRUCTION THIS YEAR.
SO YOU WILL SEE A SMALL EXPANSION OF THE INTERSECTION AT EDGE, MINT AND LIMMER.
AND YOU'LL SEE SIDEWALK GO FROM 79 UP TO THE CHURCH, UH, ALONG HEDGE SPIN ON THE EAST SIDE.
'CAUSE WEST SIDE'S GOT SIDEWALK, RIGHT? HAS THE SIDEWALK.
UM, BUT THAT IS NOT ALL OF THE STUFF THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN ON ED SMITH.
IS ED SCHMIT TOTALLY OURS FROM 79 UP TO, UM, UP TO LIMMER? IS OURS UP TO LIMMER? THAT'S TOTALLY OURS.
SO IS THAT THE 26 AND $27 AMOUNTS, THE OTHER STUFF THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE? OR IS THAT THE SIDEWALKS AND THE INTERSECTION? NO, UH, THE SIDEWALKS IN THE INTERSECTION IS ALL ANTICIPATED IN 25.
AND I HAVEN'T INFLATED THESE NUMBERS, BUT IT'S MY BEST GUESS, UM, AS TO WHAT IT WOULD COST US TO START PUTTING IN THE MEDIANS.
UM, FIXING SOME INTERSECTIONS AND DOING THE, THE HIGH LEVEL OR I GUESS LOW LOW HANGING FRUIT OF THINGS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO ON
SO WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE EXCHANGE? I'M SORRY, NOT EXCHANGE, UH, THE LIVE OAK CONNECTION INTO, UH,
SO, SO THAT'S NOT INCLUDED NEWS MEMBERS.
THAT'S THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE BY DEVELOPER.
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WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT AT ALL.THAT FUNDING THAT PROJECTING THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE GONNA DO.
SO SUPPOSEDLY HELPING TELL, DO YOU WANT ME TO TELL SUPPOSEDLY SO THE DEVELOPER WHO WAS DOING THAT PROJECT
UM, NO, NEVER, NEVER HIS BOSS.
UM, I MEAN, YEAH, THAT PROJECT, THE DEVELOPERS' PRETTY MUCH GONE UNDER, FROM WHAT WE CAN TELL ANOTHER PROJECT THAT THEY HAD FORECLOSED.
I DON'T THINK IT, AND THEY HAD THE, THEY HAD THE ONE AT 1 37 AND 1660 ON THE NORTH SIDE.
HOW ABOUT THEY'RE NOT THE SAME DEVELOPER THAT'S DOING NORTH OF LIMMER, ARE THEY? NO.
THE LITTLE SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT.
THE FIRST ONE WHERE THEY HAD TO HAVE PRIVATE STREETS.
'CAUSE WE DON'T DO, AND IT WAS A WHOLE THING BECAUSE GLENWOOD WAS GONNA CONNECT INTO IT.
UM, AND THAT ONE IS THE ONE I BELIEVE THAT I'VE HEARD HAD BEEN FORECLOSED UPON.
BUT THAT'S THE SAME DEVELOPER.
BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN, UM, WHAT WE'RE HEARING NOW IS THAT NOW THAT IT'S A DIFFERENT ENTITY, THE SOUTH SIDE WANTS TO BREAK APART FROM THE NORTH SIDE.
THE NORTH SIDE WAS THE ONE THAT WAS TAKING ON THE MAJORITY OF THE LIVE OAK EXTENSION.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY HAD NEVER, UM, GOSH, IT'S TWO DIRECTORS AGO AT THIS POINT ON THE ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORK SIDE, THAT IT SAID AS SOON AS YOU ARE DONE AND YOU'RE STARTING TO PLOT, YOU NEED YOUR TIA, YOU'VE GOTTA GET THIS THING APPROVED.
LIKE WE CONCEPTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON THE ZONING, BUT WE'RE GONNA WANNA SEE THAT PLATTING.
MATT THEN STARTED AND THEY WERE HAVING ISSUES ON TIAI DON'T BELIEVE IT'S EVER BEEN FINISHED.
THEY STARTED THEIR TIAI PROVIDED MANY COMMENTS.
THEY UPDATED THEIR TIAI PROVIDED MANY COMMENTS, AND THEN I WAS NOTIFIED THAT THE DEVELOPER'S NO LONGER MOVING FORWARD.
THE PROJECT THAT TI HAS BEEN PUT ON HOLD.
AND THEN THE OTHER DEVELOPER WHO'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WHAT WOULD BE LI OAK EXTENSION SAID, CAN WE MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT THE TIA? AND I SAID, NO, YOU CANNOT.
AND SO THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO FROM THERE.
BECAUSE WHAT'S SO HARD ABOUT DOING A-T-I-A-I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DON'T LIKE TO DO TIA WELL ON THIS ONE, YOU'VE GOT ONE, ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE UHHUH AND THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING THEIR STUFF, BUT THEN THE GUYS ON THE NORTH SIDE AREN'T TALKING TO THE GUYS ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
SO THEIR NUMBERS AREN'T MATCHING UP.
SO YOU CAN'T GET A COMPLETE COMPOSITE.
TIA YOU'RE GETTING HALF OR A THIRD OR WHATEVER.
IT DOES, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE US PUTTING A SIGNAL OR ANYTHING AT THE INTERSECTION OF, JUST SO YOU GUYS HAVE A PICTURE IN YOUR MIND WHERE EMORY FARMS HITS EDGE SCHMIDT MM-HMM
ACROSS THAT IS WHERE LIVE OAK IS SUPPOSED TO HIT AT SCHMIDT.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE BASICALLY AS THE SIGNAL WOULD GO IN MM-HMM
BUT THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THESE NUMBERS.
NOW, ONE THING THAT I SAW AT SHERMAN AND LIMMER, UH, TODAY, I JUST, WHILE I WAS DRIVING BY, I SAW THE STUMPS FOR THE POLES AND YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT THE ELECTRICAL CAP ON 'EM AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
WOULD THAT BE A GOOD IDEA FOR US TO PUT THAT IN THE GROUND TODAY? FIGURATIVELY SPEAKING TODAY WHEN IT'S CHEAPER, RATHER THAN WAITING FIVE YEARS, THE ONLY RISK YOU RUN THERE AND IT WOULDN'T BE AS MUCH OF A RISK ON EDGE SCHMIDT, IT'D BE MORE OF A RISK ON THE EMORY FARMS SLIDE OAK VERSIONS OR THOSE LEGS.
IS THAT POTENTIALLY THOSE MAY NEED TO BE WIDENED.
AND SO THEN YOU PUT FOUNDATIONS IN ELECTRICAL THAT NOW HAS TO BE RELOCATED.
I WAS JUST LIKE, CAN'T WE KINDA LIKE PRE-DRILL THE HOLES
SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID HERE AT THE CO-OP.
WE KNEW THEORETICALLY WHAT IT WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
AND WE KNEW WE WEREN'T GONNA HAVE TO MOVE EVERYTHING.
SO WE WENT IN AND PUT ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN AND THAT'S WHY THEY WERE ABLE JUST TO PUT UP SOME POLES AND SOME YEAH.
THEY JUST PLUG IT IN, HIT THE SWITCH AND THERE YOU GO.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PLANS ON WIDENING ESTIMATE? UH, WELL LEMME JUMP OVER HERE AND SEE BECAUSE THE ONLY THING I SEE ON HERE IS THE ONE ED SMITH AND IT'S $15,310,000.
IT SAYS WIDENING THREE TO SIX D.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE MASTER PLAN CALLS FOR.
DID YOU SAY 15? WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON? 22.
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22.THE PROJECT IDS 22 PAGE US 79 75 LEER.
SO THE MASTER PLAN CALLS FOR US TO WIDEN IT FROM THREE LANES, WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT IT IS NOW.
FOR MOST OF IT, UM, TO SIX LANES DIVIDED, WHICH IS WHY I'M SAYING WE NEED A MEDIAN AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
AND THAT'S, SO YOU SEE THE $15 MILLION, IF YOU LOOK AT MY SPREADSHEET, THAT'S ROUGHLY WHAT I HAVE IN HERE.
WE BARELY SCRATCHED THE SURFACE ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO ON IT.
AND I'VE BEEN SAYING EVERY YEAR THAT WE'VE DONE THE CIP SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON OUR MAJOR ROADWAYS FIRST AND FOREMOST.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ROADS OUT THERE THAT WE CAN BE WORKING ON.
WE COULD GO WORK ON, UM, METCALF, WE COULD GO WORK ON HU WE COULD GO WORK ON EMORY FARMS, WE COULD GO WORK ON A LOT OF ROADS.
BUT THE MAJORITY OF OUR TRAFFIC AND THE MAJORITY OF OUR TRAFFIC COMPLAINTS MM-HMM
ARE LIMBER LOOP, EDGE, MINT, CARL STERN.
BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE WAYS THAT EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO GET AROUND 79.
WHICH WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT ANYWAY.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS WILL BE MY THIRD YEAR NOW THAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON LIMBER LOOP EDGE SCHMIDT AND CARL STERN.
UM, I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO, SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, SO YEAH, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET THESE TWO SMALL PIECES DONE IN 25 THAT COUNCIL TOLD US TO DO LAST YEAR MM-HMM
BUT IN MY MIND, YOU GO AHEAD AND YOU DO THE FULL THING NOW BECAUSE IT'S WARRANTED.
NOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE DRIVEN ED SCHMIDT, IT IS OH YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
LIKE IT'S PLUS SOMETIMES THAT THEY'RE STILL BUILDING HOUSES OUT ON COUNTY ROAD ONE 19.
AND I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA COME IN TO TOWN.
SO IT IS JUST PUTTING MORE TRAFFIC.
ON, ON, I I I WOULD SAY MOVE IT, SUBMIT UP TO TOMORROW.
I, I'D SAY THIS PROJECT ID 22, JUST A FRAME OF REFERENCE.
THIS IS T THIS IS T TEN TWO TWENTY THREE.
THE ONE THAT ONE ITEM 22 ON PAGE 7 5 22 T 10 20 23.
WHY IS THAT A PROJECT I, WHAT DOES THE PROJECT ID 22 MEAN PROJECT ID 22 IS THE PROJECT ID THAT THE CONSULTANT GAVE THE PROJECT IN THE MASTER PLAN.
BUT REMEMBER WE JUST ADOPTED THIS MASTER PLAN, RIGHT? THIS YEAR.
I HAD STARTED PUSHING FOR US TO DO ED SCHMIDT IN 2023.
WELL, CAN WE NOT, WE NOTED THAT COME IN THAT WE MOVED.
WE, WE MOVE EDGE SCHMIDT TO TOP OF THE LIST.
WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY ISN'T EDGE SCHMIDT, I'M GLAD YOU CAN READ THAT FAR.
SO, UH, MASTER PLAN 22 NUMBERS, DOLLAR AMOUNT IS ROLLED UP ON T 10 20 23.
SO WE'VE ALREADY INCORPORATED THE MONEY IN THERE.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE A SEPARATE LINE FOR, UH, THE SIDEWALK AND INTERSECTION OH.
SO THEY'RE NOT TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS.
I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS WANT, I COULD CREATE A SEPARATE PROJECT THAT MIGHT BE GOOD THAT SAYS TI DON'T KNOW, T XX 2026 EDGE SCHMIDT WIDENING FROM 79 TO THE, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY NOT BE A BAD IDEA.
I LIKE IT BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA GO, WAIT A MINUTE, WHY ARE WE STILL DOING THESE COSTS? ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND IF WE JUST MOVE THAT INTO, I AGREE.
YOU KNOW, 2026, UH, PO OH 1, 20 26 OR WHATEVER, CAN WE LET THE CITIZENS KNOW THAT THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING? SO PEOPLE WILL QUIT B******G ON FACEBOOK.
THEY'RE NEVER GONNA QUIT B******G.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA QUIT B******G.
THEY'RE NOT, THAT WOULD JUST GIVE THEM SOMETHING NEW TO B***H BY.
WHY IS IT GONNA BE DONE IN 26 AND NOT 25? THEY'LL, THEY'LL SEE IT WHEN THEY SEE IT.
I MADE A NOTE TO CREATE A NEW PROJECT FOR THAT ONE.
I I THINK THAT'LL HELP SELL THAT PROJECT.
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IS HORRIBLE,WE GET CALLS ABOUT IT EVERY SINGLE DAY.
WE GET CALLED ABOUT IT'S THE RIGHT TURN LANE.
IT'S, I'M SURPRISED HADN'T WANTED TO PUT A TURNAROUND TURNABOUT UP THERE.
I'M NOT GETTING TO LIKE THOSE 79 DAYS.
UN UNTIL YOU GET SOMEONE WHO DECIDES TO DRIVE STRAIGHT THROUGH.
WELL THEY HAVE TO BE MORE THAN FOUR FOOT TALL.
I JUST, 80,000 POUNDS WILL GO STRAIGHT THROUGH.
SO THAT TAKES CARE OF T 10, T 11 AND 13 AND 14 ARE ALL IN CONSTRUCTION.
UM, AND SO MAYBE IT'S THE SAME THING.
MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY WE CLEAN THIS ONE UP IS WE HAVE THE INTERSECTION OF EXCHANGE AND LIVE OAK THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN CONSTRUCTION BY LATE THIS SUMMER.
BUT I HAVE AT COUNCIL DIRECTION, THE REST OF EXCHANGE, AND I PUT THAT TO START DESIGN IN 2026 AND THEN CONSTRUCTION IN 2029 WHERE WE CAN MOVE THOSE NUMBERS OUT AND PUT THEM IN A SEPARATE PROJECT THAT SAYS I WOULD EXCHANGE RECONSTRUCTION.
SO I WOULD PULL 'EM OUT AGAIN.
SO T FIFTEEN, TWENTY TWENTY FOUR.
LET'S CALL THAT ONE EXCHANGE BOULEVARD AND UH, LIVE OAK.
AND THEN THE SECOND PROJECT WOULD BE THE EXCHANGE BOULEVARD RECONSTRUCTION.
ARE YOU GOOD WITH THE TIMELINE OR YOU WANT, DO YOU THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE TIMELINES? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT DESIGN STARTING IN 26, BUT CONSTRUCTION NOT HAPPENING UNTIL 21.
I THINK CONSTRUCTION, I THINK CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE DONE.
YOU DID THE, YOU DID DESIGN IN WHAT YEAR AGAIN? I'M SORRY.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD MOVE THAT TO 25? NO, 25 25 IS THE YEAR WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW.
WELL, I WANTED TO SAY I AM KIND OF OF THE OTHER MINDSET UNTIL THE DEVELOPERS KIND OF GET THEIR COLLECTIVE STUFF TOGETHER AND UNTIL WE CONNECT INTO ED SCHMIDT, THE DEMAND ON EXCHANGE ISN'T CHANGING.
I'M GOING TO KIND OF DISAGREE WITH YOU GUYS.
I MEAN, YOU STILL GOTTA GO NORTH AND SOUTH ON RIGHT.
BUT, BUT IT'S NOT REGARDLESS, BUT IT'S NOT CHANGING.
'CAUSE YOU'RE STILL GOING THROUGH THE SCHOOLS ROAD OVER ALL THOSE SPEED BUMPS.
OR YOU'RE DIVERTING AWAY FROM EXCHANGE COMPLETELY BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIGHT AT ANDERSON AND THERE IS NO LIGHT AT ADRIAN ADRIANA.
SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING NORTH AND SOUTH ON EXCHANGE ISN'T GONNA CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY IF, IF WE WERE TO SPEND THIS MONEY.
BUT IT'S SAFER TO GO NORTH AND SOUTH ON EXCHANGE TO GET TO CITY
NOT GONNA DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
YOU GOTTA REMEMBER THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD MORE APARTMENTS OVER THERE.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M KIND LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S, YEAH.
BUT LET'S PUSH OFF UNTIL EXCHANGE IS KIND OF OKAY.
BUT IF THEY BUILD, IF THEY BUILD THE APARTMENTS TOMORROW MM-HMM
I KNOW THAT IF THEY'RE GONNA BUILD ANOTHER SIX, 800 APARTMENTS SITTING ON THAT VACANT LAND RIGHT THERE MM-HMM
THAT'S PUTTING ROUGHLY 1200 MORE CAR, LET'S SAY 600 APARTMENTS, THAT'S 1200 CARS ROUGHLY.
AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT, IN FIVE MONTHS, WE'RE GONNA PUT PLANS TOGETHER AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING IN THAT VACANT LAND TODAY.
DO WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING OVER THERE? ZONE, ZONE.
I KNOW IT'S, IT'S ZONED FOR APARTMENTS, BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY.
IT'S THE, THE NORTH SIDE OF PARSON OF, UH, LIVE OAK, NOT THE NORTH SIDE OF ABOVE WHERE THEY JUST BUILT UP.
ARE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF LIVE OAK AND EXCHANGE? ARE YOU TALKING THEY HAVE MAXIMUMS. YOU'RE TALKING EXCHANGE WHERE THEY, THEY'VE GOT THE APARTMENTS OVER HERE AND THEY'VE GOT THE APARTMENTS HERE AND THERE'S A BIG EGG, UH, VACANT.
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FOR IN ZONE.UM, AND THERE'S SOME TOWN HOMES THAT ARE GONNA GO UP AGAINST THOSE SINGLE FAMILIES.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE SEEN THE SITE PLAN YET, BUT THEY HAD A MAXIMUM AMOUNT.
THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DO LIKE 300 OR SOMETHING.
I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT NO.
AN ESTIMATE THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX.
I'M TALKING ABOUT ON EXCHANGE AND YEAH.
'CAUSE IT'S LIKE THE ONE WITH THE CUTE LITTLE HIPPOS.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE BEHIND IT.
THAT'S MORE OF LIKE THE INTERVENING, BUT THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT LOWER DENSITY.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX, THEY'VE BEEN SUBMITTED MM-HMM
FOR THE ONE THAT'S ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OUT OF EXCHANGE IN LIVE WORK WHERE FLIX WAS GONNA GO.
WELL I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT DONE BEFORE 29.
I'M, I'M NOT SO WE PULL IT IN 27 OR 28.
I'M, I'M JUST, JUST SAYING LET, LET'S DO AT 27 AND A HALF
WELL IF, IF WE WERE TO PUSH DESIGN TO 27 AND CONSTRUCTION TO 28, 28, THEN I THINK WE'RE STILL GETTING IT A YEAR EARLY MM-HMM
BUT WE'RE NOT JUMPING THE GUN ON THE PLANS MM-HMM
AND HAVING TO GO BACK AND REINVENT STUFF BECAUSE OF CHANGES.
WELL, AND, AND TYPICALLY, AM I RIGHT OR AM I WRONG? SHOULD WE STILL NOT HAVE A, A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF HOW MUCH TRAFFIC THAT, UH, DEVELOPMENT SHOULD PRODUCE? YEAH, I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE THE IT MANUAL SOMETHING, SO YEAH, YOU HAVE AN IDEA.
WORST CASE SCENARIO, RIGHT, MATT.
IF WE'RE LOOKING AT, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING A DESIGN IN 28 OR 27 27, CONSTRUCT 28, WATCH OUT OR POSTPONE IT UNTIL OKAY, POSTPONING IT AND DOING IT IN 27 OVER 28, HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE TALKING IF WE WAIT, WILL IT COST TO DO THAT DESIGN IN 28 INSTEAD OF 27? WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? HOW MUCH OF AN INCREASE DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE TO DO THE DESIGN? UH, SO TYPICALLY I'VE BEEN INFLATING NUMBERS BY AT LEAST FIVE TO 6% A YEAR.
SO YOU'RE AT, WHAT, 8 MILLION? SO THAT'S AN EXTRA 5%.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S $400,000 FOR DESIGN.
BUT, WELL, NO, I WAS TAKING THE TOTAL PROJECT AS OH, THE INCREASE WOULD BE, AND SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT YOU'RE BRINGING CONSTRUCTION, BUT YOUR CONSTRUCTION IN A YEAR SAVING FIVE, 6%.
THAT, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT QUESTION.
SO YOU'RE SAVING MORE THAN YOU'RE SPENDING.
THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT.
AND THE DEVELOPERS DON'T HAVE TO PAY INTO A TIA FEE.
AND IT'S POSSIBLE SINCE THIS IS ON OUR CIP AND IT'S IN OUR, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT WE CAN GET THE DEVELOPER TO BUILD PART OF IT FOR US.
SUPER QUICK, IF THIS DISCUSSION IS OVER FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, CAN WE TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK AT 7:00 PM I WAS GONNA SAY, CAN WE TAKE A 10 MINUTE BIOLOGICAL, ET CETERA.
BECAUSE I WAS GETTING READY TO SAY, HMM.
IF YOU WALK OUTSIDE, THE DOORS ARE LIKELY LOCKED.
OUTSIDE BUDDY TEAM, SOMEONE STAYS.
OH, THERE'S RESTROOMS UP HERE, BUT IF YOU WANNA GO OUTSIDE.
I DO, I DO, BUT I DON'T, LET ME CHECK THE PATIO UP HERE SO YOU'RE NOT WALKING ALL THE WAY DOWNSTAIRS.
THAT'S MY EYES ARE GETTING READY TO SLOWLY IF YOU WANNA UP ANYTHING.
LET'S DO, UH, SEVEN 10 RECESS.
AND I WENT BACK DOWNSTAIRS THAT MORNING GETTING, I THOUGHT PUT UP A, THEY MAY HAVE, SO I EMAILED YOU AND I TEXT HIM.
BUT I'M, WE'VE MET IN HERE BEFORE.
ANGEL, I JUST, ANGEL PUT SOMETHING I THINK, I'M SORRY, BUT IF THEY PROP OR SOMETHING, THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN THEM.
IT'S ALL MY WIFE AND SISTER-IN-LAW ARE DOING A TEXT.
SO I GOT 20 TEXT MESSAGES, SO I JUST IGNORED THEM ALL.
THAT'S THE BEST THING TO DO, RIGHT? THEY ARE, BUT, BUT YOUR BUT YOUR NOTIFICATION IS TIED WITH ALL THE OTHER ONES.
IT HOW MANY OF THOSE? UH, 6 52.
HOW HAS THIS BEEN? WE ARE ON PROJECT NUMBER.
I THINK THERE WERE, YOU WANNA SEE MY NOTES? FIVE IN STREETS AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER LIKE 30 IN DRAINAGE.
CAN YOU HOLD THAT UP SO THAT SHE CAN REFER TO MY NOTES FIVE MORE TO GO START AT THE TOP AND SHE CAN GO THROUGH.
WHAT IS THE GREEN, LIKE THE, WHAT COLOR IS THAT? MATT? IS THAT GREEN OR YELLOW? GREEN.
IT'S TO ME, IT ON MY COMPUTER.
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YELLOW ON THERE.IT'S, I DON'T KNOW, BROWNISH YELLOW.
WHAT COLOR, WHAT DOES THAT COLOR MEAN? AND WHAT'S PURPLE? THAT IT'S IN DESIGN.
BLUE MEANS DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION JUST LIKE LAST WEEK.
AND THE LITTLE TANISH COLOR FOR LIKE EXCHANGE OH YEAH.
MEANS THAT IT IS IN DESIGN, BUT IT'S NOT IN DESIGN.
WHAT
IT WAS FIXED EXCHANGE FROM 79 TO HOLLAND.
THAT'S THE WAY YOU GUYS APPROVED IT.
THAT'S THE WAY CITY COUNCIL FIRST INITIALLY FOR IT.
AND THEN THEY CHANGED IT AND SAID WE DON'T WANNA DO 79.
OH, WE WANNA DO EXCHANGE OF LIVE OAK.
SO WE SAID, OKAY, D SCOPE EVERYTHING.
WE'RE JUST GONNA FIX THE INTERSECTION.
THEN FEBRUARY, MARCH WHEN WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATIONS AGAIN WITH CITY COUNCIL, THEY SAID, WE WANNA FIX EVERYTHING.
AND I WAS LIKE, I THOUGHT YOU JUST SAID LEGO OAK
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS SAID TO DO.
THEY'RE LIKE, NO, NO, WE WANNA DO EVERYTHING.
AND I'M LIKE, THESE GUYS ARE ALREADY IN DESIGN.
I MEAN, SO WE STOP THAT, GO START OVER AGAIN.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, WELL JUST ADD IT TO A FUTURE YEAR.
WE WANNA GO AHEAD AND START DESIGNING AND CONSTRUCTING.
SO WE'RE STILL GONNA DO THE LIVE OAK FIX AND THEN IN THE FUTURE WE'LL BE 79 TO HOLLAND AGAIN.
WELL, IT WOULD BE 79 TO THE LIVE OAK.
AND AFTER LIVE OAK OAK OFF TO HOLLAND.
SO HOMETOWN WAS ONE AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT I WAS THINKING.
SO YELLOW IS IN DESIGN, UHHUH GREEN, I MEAN PURPLE IS IN CONSTRUCTION.
WHAT IS REFY STAND FOR? RECURS EVERY FISCAL YEAR.
INSTEAD OF HAVING A, A SPECIFIC FISCAL YEAR NUMBER, LIKE ALL THESE NUMBERS PART OF THE YEAR THAT WE STARTED THE PROJECT, SO T ZERO THREE MEANS TRANSPORTATION PROJECT NUMBER THREE STARTED IN 2023.
AND SO 24, 26, 29 ALL SO, BUT T ZERO ONE IS THE SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION AND THEY WANT TO, IT'S ONGOING STATE COUNCIL SAID WE WANNA DO THAT EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
SO IT JUST PREPARES EVERY FISCAL THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO WE'VE MADE IT ALL THE WAY TO HERE.
WE'RE READY TO START TALKING ABOUT THAT WHEN WE COME BACK FROM BREAKEY DOKEY.
SO, SO YOU'VE ONLY MISSED 15 PROJECTS.
UM, ARE WE STILL DOING THE COUNTY ROAD 1 32 OVERPASS? I THOUGHT THAT THAT GOT SCRAPPED BECAUSE SOME GROCERY STORE WAS LIKE, SCREW YOUR OVERPASS.
YOU'RE NOT OFF THE DEVELOPER FOR THE EDC HAS SAID WE DON'T WANNA DO THE OVERPASS.
WE WANT TO DO JUST A INTERSECTION BASICALLY.
TAKE CHRIS KELLY, PLOP IT DOWN HERE.
AND THE GENERAL CONSENSUS FROM THE GROUP WAS, THAT'S STUPID.
WHY ARE WE LETTING SOME RANDOM DEVELOPER TELL US HOW WE'RE GONNA RUN OUR TOWN? WELL, IF IT'S NOT, HOW MUCH IS THAT SAYING IS? $83 MILLION.
MY THING IS, IF NOTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN TO 79 EVER, WHICH WE'RE HAVE ALWAYS SAID IT WON'T GET WIDER.
IT WILL YOU THINK HOW JUST LIKE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, TEXTILE WILL COME THROUGH.
YOU THINK THEY'RE GONNA ONCE, ONCE THE STUDY IS DONE, IT SAYS YOU NEED TO WIDEN 79.
YOU THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO IT? AND EVEN AT THAT LOCATION, THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION.
TEXTILES ALREADY TOLD US YOU WILL NOT BE APPROVED TO DO A PROJECT UNLESS YOU WHITEN 79 AT THIS LOCATION.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE TELLING US THAT WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR A MINIMUM OF SIX LANES OF TRAFFIC.
BECAUSE THEY CAN'T TELL THE RAILROAD RIGHT TO DO.
SO YOU HAVE TO EXPAND TO THE NORTH, NORTH.
SO ALL OF THOSE, THEY'RE JUST S**T.
SO WHEN YOU GET INTO OLD TOWN, THAT'S WHERE WIDENING 79 BECOMES A PROBLEM.
ON THIS SIDE AND COVERT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
IS IT, EXCEPT FOR COVERT AND OLD TOWN, EVERYWHERE ELSE WE'RE GOOD.
IN OLD TOWN, ALL THOSE HISTORICAL BUILDINGS THAT EVERYBODY LOVES STILL LOVES.
GONE SNUFF AND ALL THAT STUFF.
EVEN THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE RIGHT HERE IN THE FRONT OF THE CO-OP, 'CAUSE THEY'RE BUILT RIGHT UP TO 79.
LIKE AT T AT T THE LASH PLACE AND WHATEVER.
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ALL, ALL THAT.EVERYBODY'S LIKE, OH, WELL THEY COULD GO VERTICAL.
WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY'RE GONNA PUT THE FOUNDATION FOR THE VERTICAL
OKAY, WELL AND WHERE, WHERE'S 1 99? MY TRUE ONE 90.
YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT ALREADY? NO, WE HAVEN'T.
NO, WE'RE GONNA START WITH 16 WHEN WE GET BACK.
I SWEAR I'M GONNA, EVERY DAY I'M LIKE GONNA FREAKING HIT SOMEBODY FREAKING HIT EVERY DAY.
AND THERE'S SO MUCH TRAFFIC THERE AND LIKE,
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SO WE DID, I DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE GOT THOSE STRAWBERRY CANDIES, BUT I, IT HAS BEEN WHAT'S STRAWBERRY CANDIES? WE HAVE STRAWBERRY CANDIES.STRAWBERRY CANDY ON ANGELA'S COUNTER.
WHAT? GET, GET SOME THEY'RE THAT, THEY'RE THAT OLD FASHION.
IT'S THE DESK WHEN YOU COME IN.
REALLY? IT'S BEEN COLD IN HERE.
BUT SO DID YOU AND DEBBIE HAVE A GOOD TALK?
I SAW YOU WERE THERE TALKING TO HER.
I WAS GOING, I THOUGHT WELL I'LL GO OVER THERE.
WELL, I CAME OUT FOR A SMOKE AND I WAS STANDING IN THE SHADE.
MIKE LOOKED OVER, SAW ME AND SAID, HEY RICK, DON'T BE SHY.
GRABBED MY BRIEFCASE, GOT MY SMOKE.
I'M LIKE, YEAH, 'CAUSE I'M THE SHY ONE.
BUT, UH, HE WAS KIND OF BRIEFING, UH, BRANDON ABOUT YEAH.
YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS ACROSS THE CONCERN AND STUFF.
YOU KNOW, RICK WAS A LITTLE PREMATURE.
AND I SAID, YEAH, BUT IT'S THE OPTICS YOU WERE PREMATURE ABOUT.
WHAT ABOUT WHEN I BROUGHT UP SHERMAN AND LIMMER? NO YOU WEREN'T.
YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE PREMATURE.
'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT DONE YET, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE DONE.
AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S THE POINT I WAS MAKING IS IT'S ABOUT THE OPTICS.
IF YOU TELL EVERYBODY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA BE DONE IN AUGUST.
THIS IS TEMPORARY, EVERYBODY'S GOT DONE.
THAT, BUT IF YOU DON'T TELL 'EM THAT AND IT LOOKS DONE, THERE'S GONNA SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, ASSUME IT DONE, IT'S DONE.
I WENT IN AND I SAID, HMM, THIS LOOKS DONE.
AND THEN HE TOOK, HE TOOK CREDIT FOR A BUNCH OF STUFF, BUT HE SAID, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT WHAT I CAN, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THE MAYOR PRO TEM REACHED OUT AND GAVE ME ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GAVE HIM, UH, ABOUT SHERMAN AND ABOUT 1660.
AND LIMMER GAVE ME ALL OF THAT THE NEXT DAY.
BUT
SO MATT, WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET OUR SIDEWALKS FINISHED AND AND LEGENDS.
WHAT SIDEWALKS? WE HAVE LOTS OF STREETS THAT DON'T HAVE ONLY HAVE SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE.
WE HAVE SIDEWALKS THAT GO TO NOWHERE.
ALSO ABOUT THE TIME YOU'RE DRAINAGE.
I I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD JUST TELL YOU THAT.
BUT WE WERE ACTUALLY PROMISED SIDEWALKS FOR THEM TO FINISH EVERYTHING AT 13.
DEBBIE ACTUALLY PROMISED TO US, LIKE THE CITY, I STILL HAVE ISSUE WITH THE SIDEWALK MISSING ON 6 85.
THAT MISS THE CITY MADE A LOT OF PROMISES THAT HASN'T LIVED UP YET.
THERE WAS, OH, THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS DONE.
THE CONCRETE FENCE ON, ON UH, CARL STERNS.
WHERE, WHERE'S THE CONCRETE FENCE ON CARLSTON BY THE HIGH SCHOOL.
YOU COME WELL WHAT IS THAT? FRONT STREET
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SOUTH? UH, WHAT IS THAT?WHAT'S THAT? SUBDIVISION? WHAT? CARMEL CREEK? NO, YOU ON THE WRONG SIDE.
DID I SAY WEST? I MAY HAVE SAID WEST.
EASTFIELD HIGH SCHOOL RIGHT THERE.
IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO YOU DON'T NEED THE CONCRETE FENCE THAT KEEPS GOING ON.
THERE'S PRETTY CONCRETE FENCE.
YOU DON'T NEED A CONCRETE FENCE.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE CONCRETE.
IT DOES HAVE THE CONCRETE FOOT.
I'M WHAT HE JUST ZOOMED IN ON.
WHAT STREET IS THAT ON? THATS CARL CHURCH.
THAT BEEN OVER $330,000 ON IT.
AND YOU WANNA HEAR THE FUNNY THING? YOU SEE WHAT, YOU SEE WHERE THE STREET, THIS IS
THEY TOLD THE PEOPLE OVER THERE BECAUSE OF THEIR FENCE, THE CITY DOESN'T ALLOW FENCES ON PROPERTY LINES BECAUSE IT'D BE A SHARED FENCE WITH THE CITY.
SO THEY TORE DOWN ALL THESE PEOPLE'S WOODEN FENCE.
THEY PUT THIS FENCE UP ON THEIR PROPERTY ON WHY NOT HOMEOWNER'S PROPERTY.
YES, IT IS VERY ILLEGAL TO DO.
IT'S, IT'S THE HOMEOWNER'S AND HO A'S RESPONSIBILITY.
IT'S NOT AN HOA AND IT'S NOT THE, OUR FENCE IS, UH, HOA RESPONSIBILITY.
BUT IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE A FENCE AND IT GOES AROUND THE SUBDIVISION, IT'S A COMMON, IT FALLS DOWN.
IT'S WELL THEN IT'S THE HOMEOWNER'S PROBLEM.
THEN WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? EXACTLY.
SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? YOU WANTED THE CITY TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
BUT EVEN THOUGH THE CITY PAID FOR IT DOESN'T MEAN THE CITY HAVE TO UPKEEP IT.
THEY GAVE THE HOMEOWNERS THE, THE FENCE.
THEY WANTED, THAT'S WHAT HE WAS SAYING IS IT'S A CONCRETE FENCE.
THAT'S THE PART THAT I COULD SEE IF WE HAD DONE A WOOD FENCE WHERE YOU COULD EASILY UPKEEP.
BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU UPKEEP FENCE CREED AS A HOMEOWNER.
LIKE I KNOW ROUND ROCK WENT INTO THAT WITH THIS WAS ON THEIR, ON THE HOMEOWNER'S PROPERTY.
AND THEN THE CITY WENT IN, THIS WAS YEARS AND YEARS.
IT WAS WHEN HELEN WAS HERE AND SHE HAD THE WHOLE FENCE PROJECT.
PART OF IT WAS HER FENCE PROJECT.
'CAUSE SHE WAS TIRED OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES AND NOTHING EVER LOOKED THE SAME.
AND PEOPLE WERE REPLACING DIFFERENT, WITH DIFFERENT FENCES.
AND SO SHE WAS LIKE, LET'S JUST GO THROUGH AND MAKE IT LOOK BETTER.
'CAUSE FENCE ISN'T A NO UPKEEP FENCE MATERIAL.
I JUST KNOW THAT HE SAID HE PUT IT ON THE RESIDENCE PROPERTY.
ALRIGHT, WELL IT IS SEVEN 20 AND WE ARE BACK.
SO WE ARE ROUGHLY 15 PROJECTS IN MM-HMM
77 TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS AND LET'S MAKE IT SPEEDING.
ITS ALMOST PROJECTS TO GET THAT STUFF.
WHAT PROJECTS DID YOU SAY? 14.
SO THE NEXT ONE IS T 16, WHICH IS THE, UH, INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT FM 1660 NORTH AND MAIN HIPPO.
ARE WE STILL STAYING WITH THE INDESIGN ONES? 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE T 18 NEXT.
I WAS JUST SORRY, I WAS IN MY IN YOUR ZONE.
I'M JUST GOING STRAIGHT DOWN THE LIST.
SO T 18 IS THE COUNTY ROAD 1 63 RECONSTRUCTION.
UM, AND MONEY HAS BEEN ALLOCATED FOR CONSTRUCTION, WHICH SHOULD BE STARTING LATE.
WHERE IS COUNTY ROAD 1 63? IT'S EAST OF THE BROOKLYNS.
CAN YOU PULL UP A MAP? I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
I SHOULD, BUT OFF THE COUNTY ROAD.
I I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S AT.
IT'S OFF THE COUNTY ROAD SOUTH.
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IT'S OFF OF 1660 SOUTH.IT'S IS IT ON THE SAME ROAD AS THE FIRE STATION? NO.
FIRE STATION'S UP AND UM, FIRE STATION'S HERE.
OH, THERE'S SANDBOX RIGHT THERE.
THEY'RE BUILDING A SUBDIVISION RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN WHERE'S THE, THE LOOP, THE LOOP IS GOING TO KIND OF COME THROUGH THIS AREA DOWN HERE.
DO YOU KNOW, ARE THEY GONNA PUT A BRIDGE OVER 1660 MM-HMM
THEY HAVE TO BECAUSE OF THE CREEK.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'VE GOT THE PYLONS GOING ON PART OF IT, BUT, OKAY.
SO 1 63 DEVELOPER PARTICIPATION IS POSSIBLE, BUT WE'VE ALREADY GOT IT FOR 2025.
SO THERE'S REALLY NOTHING WE NEED TO DO WITH THAT ONE, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK SO.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO STOP IT.
SO, UH, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THAT ONE, WE'LL GO TO T 19, WHICH IS THE COUNTY ROAD 1 99 RECONSTRUCTION.
UM, SO WE'LL BE WRAPPING UP DESIGN AND RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION THIS YEAR.
BUT CITY COUNCIL HAS INDICATED THAT THEY WANT TO DELAY CONSTRUCTION UNTIL 2028.
SO CAN WE PULL UP THE MAP? WHY CAN I, SH CAN WE JUST LOOK AT SOMETHING? WHY DID THEY WANNA DELAY IT? DO YOU KNOW? UM, PARTLY BECAUSE WE HAVE THE FM 1660 SOUTH PROJECT.
AND THEY DON'T WANNA HAVE THAT.
IN CONSTRUCTION AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT THE OTHER REASON IS BECAUSE WE JUST DID A MILL OVERLAY, A PART OF 1 99.
AND SO THEIR THOUGHT IS, THAT'LL HOLD US FOR A FEW YEARS, SO WE CAN WAIT TO DO THE RECONSTRUCTION.
SO CAN WE LOOK AT THE TIMING OF WHEN 1660 AT ONE AT 1 99 IS GONNA, WHERE IS THAT ON THE PROJECT PLAN? THE, WHEN IS THAT GONNA BE COMPLETED AND ALL OF THAT? UM, SO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ONE EARLY ON.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN DELAYED BY TDOT.
WE ARE PUSHING EVERYBODY TO TRY TO GET IT DONE.
TDOT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE, HAVE THEIR DESIGN COMPLETED BY AUGUST.
UH, WE JUST GOT THEIR PLAN, THEIR 90% PLANS LAST MONTH.
SO, UH, THEY'RE SIGNIFICANTLY BEHIND SCHEDULE.
THEN THEY TOLD OUR CONSULTANT THAT OUR CONSULTANT NEEDED TO MAKE CHANGES TO THEIR PLANS TO INCORPORATE OTHER PLANS, WHICH WAS NOT WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED.
AND SO OUR CONSULTANT SENT OVER AN AMENDMENT TO THEIR CONTRACT, AT WHICH POINT I FORWARDED TO TEXT OUT AND SAID, HEY, FOR OUR CONVERSATION, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR ALL THESE EXTRA COSTS.
SO, TEXT OUTS, EVALUATING THAT OUR CONSULTANT PUTTING NUMBERS TOGETHER SO THE TEXT DOC CAN SEE A DETAILED ANALYSIS OF IT ALL.
UM, WE ARE THINKING THAT ONCE WE JUMP OVER THIS HURDLE THAT UH, WE ARE READY TO FINALIZE THE DESIGN, GET BACK TO THE POINT OF NEGOTIATING WITH UPRR, WHICH WOULD PUT US POTENTIALLY INTO CONSTRUCTION IN LATE CALENDAR 25, EARLY CALENDAR 26, BASICALLY FY 26.
UM, AND THEN YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING SOMETIME LATE 27, EARLY 28 BEFORE CONSTRUCTION WAS DONE, WHICH KIND OF LINES UP WITH THIS, IT DOES LINE UP TO THAT.
BECAUSE, SO IF YOU COULD JUST PULL THE MAP UP FOR ME AGAIN, I, I LIVED THROUGH THE MILL AND OVERLAY.
THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH THIS SPECIFIC AREA IS RIGHT HERE AT THIS TURN.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE WHILE WE WAIT FOR THAT, BUT THE, THE MILL AND OVERLAY IS ALREADY DISINTEGRATING AND THE PUBLIC WORKS PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY PUT, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
IT'S SOMETHING TO TRY TO HELP.
OH, THE SEAL, IT'S KIND YOU WHITE, BUT IT'S STILL NOT WIDE ENOUGH OR TWO VEHICLES THAT ARE NOT LIKE COMMON CARS TO TRAVEL.
SO THIS IS BECOMING A BIG ISSUE.
AND THERE'S ALREADY BEEN RIGHT HERE IN THESE PEOPLE'S FENCES.
A VEHICLE HAS ALREADY CRASHED INTO THEIR FENCE AND THERE'S MULTIPLE SKID MARKS IN THE GRASS RIGHT HERE BETWEEN THAT, THOSE PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS AND THE ROAD.
I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY WHY WE'RE SAYING IT'S DELAYED.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE IN THE MEANTIME FOR SAFETY TO MITIGATE THAT SAFETY CONCERN THAT I HAVE.
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OKAY.SO YEAH, WE DON'T NEED TO SOLVE IT NOW.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I THINK Y'ALL SHOULD BE AWARE OF.
UM, SO ON T 19, LET, YEAH, I, I WOULD SAY LEAVE IT IN 2018.
IF THAT'S WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WRAPPING UP WITH, UH, 1660 AND, UH, THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND EVERYTHING.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO JUMP AHEAD ON 1 99 IF THEY'RE JUST GONNA BOTTLENECK THERE.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? I AGREE WITH YOU.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
UH, SO THAT PUTS US INTO T 20.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S THE COUNTY'S PROJECT.
T 21 IS THE ALLIANCE EXPANSION.
SO WE ARE DOING DESIGN ON THAT NOW, BUT, UH, CITY COUNCIL SAID WE DIDN'T NEED TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON CONSTRUCTION UNTIL PROBABLY 2027 AT THE EARLIEST.
UH, YOU DRIVE BY, YOU CAN SEE 'EM CARVING UP THE MEDIAN.
WHEN IS THAT TURN LANE SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETED FROM 79 ONTO ALLIANCE? WE DON'T KNOW.
WE WEREN'T, WE WEREN'T INCLUDED IN ANY OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
THE DEVELOPER THAT'S DOING, UM, EVO UHHUH,
WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS A PROJECT HAPPENING UNTIL THEY CLOSED ALLIANCE COMPLETELY.
AND THEN WE SAID, HEY TDOT, WHY ARE YOU CLOSING OUR ROAD? AND TDOT SAID, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WE'RE NOT CLOSING ANYTHING.
AND WE SHOWED 'EM PICTURES AND THEY SAID, OH NO, THAT'S THE PROJECT THAT'S HAPPENING 'CAUSE THE DEVELOPER OKAY.
AND WE SAID, HEY, NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO CLOSE THE CITY STREET WITHOUT CITY'S PERMISSION.
SO WE WENT AND FORCED THEM TO OPEN, REOPEN THE ROAD.
CAN WE FIND OUT MAYBE WHEN, BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS THAT IF WE START IN 2027 AND THAT THING'S BEEN OPEN FOR A YEAR, THEN WE'VE CREATED A TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
IF WE START IN 2026 AND THAT THING OPENS WHILE WE'RE IN DESIGN OR WHATEVER ON ALLIANCE, THEN IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
IT'S A, WELL, IT'S STILL A PROBLEM, BUT IT'S A MUCH SMALLER PROBLEM THAT WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON THE FIX FOR AS OPPOSED TO KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD UNTIL IT BECOMES AN ISSUE.
BUT IF THEY'RE NOT, IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA WRAP UP THAT TURN UNTIL 27, DO WE KNOW WHEN EVOS EXPECTING TO OPEN MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND? BUT NOW THEY'RE BLAMING US BECAUSE THEY ORDERED SIGNS THAT ARE TOO LARGE AFTER THEY CHANGED THE NAME TO HOOKY
SO NOW IT'S OUR FAULT THAT THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY OPEN BECAUSE THEIR SIGNAGE THAT THEY ORDERED IS TOO LARGE.
SOUNDS LIKE A PERSONAL WHAT? LITERALLY THAT'S STILL MONTHS, MONTHS AWAY.
THAT'S, I MEAN, THEY WILL STILL BE OPEN BY MEMORIAL DAY BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA LOSE OUT.
IT'S NOT THE CITY WHO HAS THE ISSUE SIGNS.
THE FRONT SIGN MIGHT NOT BE BECAUSE I THINK THEY WERE LIKE 45 SQUARE FEET.
I MEAN IT WAS SOMETHING EGREGIOUS MM-HMM
WHERE WE'RE LIKE, YOU ALREADY GOT EXTRA SIGNAGE IN YOUR PUD THAT WAS APPROVED WHEN IT WAS EVO.
AND WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, HERE'S THE MAXIMUM YOU DO.
HERE'S WHAT I'M, THEY PUT SOMETHING UP MASSIVE AND THEN THEY WERE LIKE, WELL, ALL OF THAT SHOULDN'T COUNT.
SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE INTERSECTION WOULD BE DONE SOMETIME THIS YEAR.
BASED ON THEIR OPENING IN THE NEXT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS FIGURING.
BUT YEAH, SO I THINK, I THINK WE MIGHT NEED TO PUSH THAT UP FROM 27 TO 26.
SO CAN WE CLARIFY WHERE THIS ALLIANCE EXPANSION IS ON ALL, LIKE, DOES, HOW FAR NORTH DOES ALLIANCE GO FROM 79? IT GOES EMORY FARM SCHNEIDER BOULEVARD.
SO THAT'S THE ENTIRE ALLIANCE, LIKE THE STREET, IS IT A WHOLE STREET THAT'S GETTING EXPANDED? WE, SO WHAT I'VE TOLD THE ENGINEERING TEAM IS THAT WE MOST LIKELY WOULD NOT HAVE TO WIDEN THE FAR NORTHERN EDGE.
MAYBE THE INTERSECTION WOULD NEED A TURN LANE.
BUT MOST OF THE TRAFFIC, BASED ON ALL THE DATA THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TODAY, WOULD BE BASICALLY FROM THE YMCA SOUTH TO 79.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE EFFORT IS BEING FOCUSED RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND I KNOW WE SAW OR HEARD A PRELIMINARY ABOUT IRONWOOD HAVING A THROUGH
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UH, A EAST WEST ROAD.WOULD THAT BE INCLUDED IN THE EXPANSION OR WOULD THAT BE TOO FAR NORTH? NO, THAT'S INCLUDED IN, 'CAUSE THAT IS ACTUALLY, UH, PARKER ROAD OR PARKER WAY, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THEY'RE CALLING IT, UH, ACTUALLY IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE ROAD THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE YMCA.
I I DIDN'T KNOW THE PLACE WHEN I CAN SEE IT WHEN I DRIVE INNOVATION 'CAUSE THEY HAVEN'T CONNECTED IT THROUGH YET, BUT I CAN SEE IT AND I'M JUST NOT SURE WHERE IT LINES UP BECAUSE THERE ARE BUILDINGS IN THE WAY.
SO THAT THE EXPANSION WOULD GO UP TO PARKER OR WHATEVER.
BUT DOES, UH, ALLIANCE EVER GONNA GO ALL THE WAY? IT'S NOT GOING ALL THE WAY NORTH TO IT.
CAN'T, EVERYTHING NORTH OF THE SCHNEIDER HENRY FARMS INTERSECTION IS ALREADY BLOCKED UP BY BUILDING, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND THAT'S ONLY SUPPORTING COM COMMERCIAL, RIGHT? WELL, Y-M-C-A-Y-M-C-E COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL ACADEMY.
I DON'T SEE NO NEED TO USE TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO FIX IT.
I I THINK THAT ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WENT THERE SHOULD HAVE PAID TO EXPAND THAT GROWTH BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THEIR BUSINESSES.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT EVO AND ACADEMY AND ALL THAT DID NOT PAY ANYTHING TO FIX THAT ROAD, UH, IRONWOOD DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY SO THAT WE COULD WIDEN THE ROAD.
SO DID FUNDS ON THE CITY NOW TO FIX IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T PUT TI IN FUNDS? WELL, DID, DID, UH, EVO ACADEMY, UH, PUT, PUT IN, UH, ANY TIFF? UH, I DON'T, I I ASSUME THEY DID, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THEY HAD.
THAT WOULD'VE GOTTEN OUTTA THAT.
IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN VERY MUCH.
IT, IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN VERY MUCH.
'CAUSE WE'VE EVEN DONE LIKE A TIFF HEAT MAP AND THE AMOUNTS COMING IN.
THEY'RE NOT LIKE WHAT PEOPLE WERE EXPECTING.
IT'S FOR MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT ALL THE PLATS THAT WE STILL HAVE ARE THE OLD TIFF.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T JUST GET THE NEW IMPACT ON OLD PLATS.
IT'S NOT RED, IT'S 4,000 OR RIGHT UNDER, IT'S LIKE 2 CENTS UNDER 4,000 PER HO.
BUT WE WEREN'T EVEN GETTING THAT MUCH FOR COMMERCIAL OR ANY NON-RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK THE BIGGEST MAY HAVE BEEN THE MULTIFAMILY COMING IN, BUT THAT WAS JUST A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND AND WE'RE LIKE, OOH, IT'S A BIG DAY.
I'M, I'M NOT SURE, THIS IS PROBABLY LEGAL QUESTION, BUT SINCE WE'RE PUTTING IT ON THE CIP LIST, I KNOW WITH WATER AND WASTEWATER WE CAN KIND OF PRORATE CHARGE FOR WHAT THEY'RE USING.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN KIND OF SAY, HEY, THIS IS FOR YOU GUYS, YOU NEED, THEY DONATED RIGHT AWAY.
YEAH, BUT ALL I DETERMINED AT THE TIME OF THEIR PLAN, EVEN WHEN THEY SUBMITTED, YEAH, THEY'RE ALREADY PERMITTED, SO MM-HMM
WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND SAY WE DIDN'T MAKE YOU PAY FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
NO, BUT WE CAN DO THAT WITH CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IF THEY'RE PART OF THE USE.
LIKE IF WE PUT A NEW WATER TOWER IN TO PROVIDE WATER FOR THE INDUSTRIAL AREA OF ROUND OF IRONWOOD, WE CAN DO A PRORATED CHARGE TO 'EM.
THEY DON'T PAY THE WHOLE THING, BUT WE CAN DO A PRORATED CHARGE BECAUSE IT IS CIP.
SO YOU WOULD'VE TO USE, IF IT'S NOT ON YOUR IMPACT FEES, YOU WOULD'VE TO USE CAPITAL RECOVERY.
BUT ALL THAT HAS TO BE DONE DURING PERMITTING.
WE CAN'T GO IN AFTER THEY ARE PERMITTED AND SAY, HEY, YOU'VE ALREADY PAID ALL YOUR FEES, BUT WE DIDN'T CHARGE YOU THIS ONE, SO NOW YOU OWE US THIS EXTRA MONEY.
PLUS SLIGHT PLAYS PLUS INTEREST.
PLUS THE MONTHLY SUBSCRIPTION FEE.
SO ARE WE MOVING, CAN YOU GO BACK TO T 20? WHAT WAS THE DESCRIPTOR ON THAT? I JUST DIDN'T WRITE IT DOWN.
THAT'S THE, UH, OVERPASSES OKAY.
ARE WE MOVING THIS ONE OR ARE WE KEEPING IT LATER? I, I, LET'S LEAVE IT.
I, I SAY, BUT WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? WHAT ARE WE LEAVING? THE ALLIANCE EXPANSION ALLIANCE EXPANSION AT LEAVING IT AT 27 RATHER THAN SLIDING IT.
DO WE NEED TO EXPAND ALLIANCE? REALLY? YOU WILL.
YOU WILL ONCE I DEFINITELY EXPAND YOUR INTERSECTIONS.
PLUS YOU'RE GONNA GET THE HEAVY TRAFFIC AND IT'S ON 27.
IS THAT WHAT THAT SAYS? 27? IF WE MOVED IT TO 26? NO, LOOK AT THAT.
COULD WE BUST OUT PLANNING FOR 26? COULD WE WHAT? BUST OUT.
WE'RE ALREADY DOING THE DESIGN RIGHT NOW.
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THAT'S RIGHT.THAT THEY'RE DOING THE DESIGN NOW.
YEAH, THEY'RE DOING DESIGN NOW.
THE THING IS, THIS CAN ALWAYS BE MOVED AND IT HAS TO IF SOMETHING COMES UP.
WELL, I MEAN, NOT, NOT IF THEY SAID IT.
REMEMBER NEXT YEAR IS 26, SO IF YOU WANNA MOVE IT TO 26, I DON'T KNOW WHY I KEEP SAYING IT'S 24.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHY I KEEP SAYING BECAUSE YOU DON'T 2024.
I HAVE TO ASK MY WIFE ALL THE TIME, WHAT IS TODAY? YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW THE DAY LIKE YOU USED TO THOUGH.
SYDNEY TEXT ME THAT SHE WAS FIXING UP THIS ROOM TODAY.
I SAID, OH YEAH, FOR A MEETING TOMORROW.
SHE TEXT MY LOL I'M LIKE, OH, THAT'S TODAY
SO I THINK, I THINK THAT ONE'S GOOD TO LEAVE IT.
STICKING WITH THE YELLOW ONES.
SO I'M SKIPPING ALL THESE WHITE ONES.
THAT'S THE, UH, REALIGNMENT OF CR 1 32.
SO LET ME JUMP TO THE MAP SHOW.
SO CURRENTLY 1 32 COMES UP HERE AND THEN TURNS 90 DEGREES AND CONNECTS TO 1 33.
WE HAD ALWAYS PLANNED FOR BASICALLY IT TO COME THROUGH HERE.
THAT'S WHY WE GOT ALL OF THIS RIGHT OF WAY DONATED TO THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS BASICALLY DESIGNING A THREE LANE SECTION, WHICH IS BASICALLY EQUIVALENT TO WHAT'S THERE NOW.
AND REALLY, THAT WAS A KIND OF A TOKEN PROJECT TO SHOW THE COUNTY AND THE STATE THAT WE WERE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS HUDDLE ARTERIAL THING.
BECAUSE, UH, I WAS TOLD GO BACK AND ASK THEM TO SEE IF THEY WOULD CHIP IN MONEY FOR IT AGAIN.
AND I WAS LIKE, THEY'VE DONE THAT ONCE.
AND SO THEY'RE LIKE, FOOL ME ONCE.
WHAT DO THOSE PEOPLE THINK ABOUT THAT, THAT LIVE THERE? I DON'T KNOW.
THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE THOUGH.
'CAUSE THE DEVELOPER ALREADY GAVE US THE LAND.
WELL, I KNOW THAT EVERYTHING NORTH OF, WHAT IS THAT? OH, NO.
UH, THE, THE ONE JUST BELOW IT THERE.
THAT ONE, EVERYTHING NORTH OF THERE ON 1 32 IS GARBAGE THE ROAD THAT'S JUST ABSOLUTELY TRASHED.
BUT 1 33 AS IT GOES BY FLORA IS ALL BRAND NEW.
ACTUALLY, WE HAD 'EM REDO ALL OF 1 33.
ALL IT'S ALL THE WAY ALL THE WAY TO HERE.
IT'S ALL BRAND NEW AND BEAUTIFUL.
THERE WAS, I DROVE IT LAST WEEKEND, BUT WAS IT THE ULTIMATE WIDTH OR THE INTERIM? NO, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY, IT'S AN INTERIM BECAUSE IT'S WIDER THAN IT WAS.
AND IT WAS JUST A COUNTY ROAD.
SO WE WIDENED IT TO WHAT IT, WELL WE, WE HAD THEM WIDEN IT TO WHAT IT NEEDED TO BE TO FIT TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC AT LEAST DOWN IT MM-HMM
AND, BUT IT'S NOT, THE ULTIMATE SECTION IS, IT'S A SIX LANE DIVIDED ROADWAY.
SO WE'RE JUST PUTTING THE FIRST THREE LANES IN HERE AND CALLING IT GOOD.
THAT WAY EVERYBODY KNOWS WE'RE SERIOUS.
$19 MILLION TO DO THAT LITTLE.
SO WE'RE, THIS IS FOR, TO GO TO THE SIX LANE SECTION, BUT WE'RE GONNA OKAY.
COUNSEL WANTED TO SEPARATE IT OUT.
SO WE'RE DOING THE SMALL PIECE NOW.
THE BIG STUFF WE'RE GONNA SEE IF WE CAN GET THE COUNTY OR THE STATE TO PAY FOR.
THAT'S WHY WE PUSHED IT OUT AND WE'LL LEAVE IT LIKE THAT IDEA.
NEXT YELLOW ONE IS T 47, WHICH IS LIMMER LOOP FROM INNOVATION TO ED SCHMIDT.
AND AGAIN, GOING BACK TO MY EARLIER CONVERSATION, I'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR THREE YEARS NOW THAT WE FOCUS ON ED SCHMIDT, LIER LOOP AND CARL STERN.
AND SO, UH, LAST YEAR WE SAID, ALL RIGHT, WE'LL START DOING THE DESIGN OF LIER LOOP.
AND SO WE DID LIMMER LOOP FROM INNOVATION TO EDGE SCHMIDT AND LIER LOOP FROM EDGE SCHMIDT BASICALLY TO WHERE THE 1660 PROJECT IS STOPPING.
AND SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE GOT THE DESIGNS GOING NOW.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE CONSTRUCTION UNTIL 26 AND 27.
AND I'M GOING TO PRESUME THAT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT EARLY 26 DURING
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THE SCHOOL YEAR, RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF COTTONWOOD ELEMENTARY, ET CETERA.SO NO MATTER WHEN WE DO IT DOESN'T MATTER.
THEY CAN STILL GET EXCHANGE RIGHT THERE.
AND I MEAN, WHEN WE DO THE 1 37 PROJECT THAT WE'RE GONNA IMPACT SCHOOL.
WE, WE JUST MAKE SURE THE CONSULTANT ACCOUNTS FOR GETTING SCHOOL ACCESS IN NOW.
DURING ALL PHASES OF CONSTRUCTION.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE, I UNDERSTAND IT'S TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS, BUT COULD THAT BE DONE AS A LONGER STRETCH AND NOT HAVE A CREW COME BACK AFTER A THREE MONTH GAP OR WHATEVER? COULD, COULD WE ESSENTIALLY
UNDERSTAND FINANCE 'EM OR WHATEVER IS TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, START AT THE BRIDGE NEAR, UH, NEAR 1660 AND JUST START WORKING YOUR WAY WEST UNTIL YOU'RE DONE.
AND THAT WAY WE'RE NOT DOING OKAY.
WE'RE, WE'RE DOING IT UP TO ED SCHMIDT STOPPING.
WE GOTTA WAIT THREE MONTHS FOR THE NEXT CREW TO COME ON AND GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
FEEL LIKE NEVER ENDING CONSTRUCTION.
THE ONLY THING WITH THAT IS, IS WHENEVER WE GO TO START THE CONSTRUCTION, WE HAVE TO HAVE MONEY IN HAND.
WHICH MEANS INSTEAD OF DOING $6.8 MILLION ONE YEAR AND 6.1 MILLION THE NEXT YEAR, OKAY, YOU'RE GONNA DO 12.9 MILLION ONE YEAR.
THAT'S A GOOD REASON NOT TO DO IT THAT WAY,
THE GOOD IDEA IS VERY SETTLED ON MY SHOULDER.
UH, SO I THINK THAT'S ALL OF THE YELLOW PROJECTS AND ROADS.
I, I THINK SO I CAN CAPTURE THE WHITE ONES.
SO WE'RE GONNA SKIP T ONE BECAUSE THAT JUST HAPPENS EVERY YEAR NO MATTER WHAT.
UH, CHERYL, UH, ACTUALLY I WANNA CATCH HER UP ON WHAT WE DID WITH, UH, THE REFI POSSIBLY.
AND THE SIDEWALKS, UH, SIDEWALKS.
SIDEWALKS AT, UH, LAKESIDE, UH, WE'RE HAVING A BIT OF AN ISSUE WITH, UH, HOMEOWNERS ALLOWING THE CITY TO COME ONTO THEIR PROPERTY AND BUILD A SIDEWALK AFTER THEY DEMANDED THE SIDEWALKS.
SO WHAT WE, WHAT WE FOR SAID IS, HEY, LET'S TAKE THAT MONEY FOR THAT PROJECT AND SPLIT IT UP INTO THE T OH ONE REFI SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION.
WE'LL PUT THAT SIDEWALK MONEY THAT WAS GONNA GO TO LAKESIDE INTO SIDEWALKS UNTIL LAKESIDE GETS THEIR STUFF TOGETHER AND CAN AGREE.
SO, CAN I PAUSE ON THAT? MM-HMM
THAT'S MAKING ME HAVE QUESTION.
HOW MANY PEOPLE IN LAKESIDE ARE CONFUSING? IS IT ONE HOMEOWNER? IS IT HANDFUL? HUH? HANDFUL.
SO THEY HAVE TO RIGHT AWAY, I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER.
IT'S ACCESS TO STEP ON THE 61 WE SENT 61, I THINK IT'S 161.
WE SENT IT OUT AGAIN FEBRUARY.
SO FAR WE'VE HAD FOUR JUST STRAIGHT UP SAY NO WAY.
WE'VE HAD I THINK IT'S LIKE 30 SOMETHING, SAY, YEAH, SURE.
AND THEN WE'VE HAD THE REMAINDER, WHICH THAT'S LIKE 120.
JUST THEY JUST WON'T RESPOND TO.
AND SO WE'RE LIKE, DO THEY HAVE AN HOA? THEY DO.
WE REACHED OUT TO THE HOA AND THE HOA SAID, WE'LL HELP YOU.
AND THEY PUT STUFF OUT ON THEIR WEBSITE AND PUT OUT STUFF OUT IN THERE, WHATEVER MAILER THEY USE OR HOWEVER THEY DO IT.
UM, WE'VE TRIED GOING DOOR TO DOOR.
WE HAVE MAILED STUFF IN POSTAGE, PAID RETURN ENVELOPES SO THAT THEY COULD LITERALLY JUST SIGN THE PAPERWORK, STICK IT IN, AND SIT IN RIGHT BACK TO US.
AND I THINK YOU'VE DONE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.
LET'S, YEAH, I JUST, SOMEBODY WHO WANTS, I JUST WANTED TO CATCH YOU UP ON THANK YOU.
UH, SO NOW WE'RE BACK AT T 16, WHICH IS THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT FM 1660 NORTH OF MAIN HIP.
WHERE'S MAIN HIPPEL? IT'S IN FRONT OF THE, NOT LIKE NINTH GRADE CENTER.
SO THIS WAS ONE THAT COUNCIL SAID THAT WE NEEDED TO PRIORITIZE DURING THE MARCH, FEBRUARY CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD WITH THEM THIS YEAR.
UM, SO THIS IS MAIN HIPPO HERE.
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UM, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS IN CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW AND IS ANTICIPATED TO BE FULLY FUNCTIONAL FOR THE NEXT SCHOOL YEAR.THAT'S THE MARTINEZ SCHOOL? YEP.
THE HIGH SCHOOL EXPANSION IS, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DONE BY THE 20.
THEY JUST SUBMITTED, I BELIEVE THEY JUST SUBMITTED THEIR EARLY GRADING PACKAGE 'CAUSE THEY WANTED TO START MOVING DIRT LIKE RIGHT NOW.
AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FULLY FUNCTIONAL BY 2027.
SO WHAT IS THE ISD PUTTING IN TO FIX MAIN HIPPO? THIS IS THEIR NEED, RIGHT? NOT OURS.
UM, SO THE ISD HAD DONE AN ORIGINAL TIA, WE WERE MAKING THEM UPDATE THEIR TIA.
UM, I JUST HAD A MEETING WITH TDOT TO BE ABLE TO GET ISD SOME FINAL ANSWERS BECAUSE THEY WERE ANTICIPATING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON TEXT.
DOT'S RADAR IS NOT ON MY RADAR AND THEY DIDN'T LIKE MY ANSWERS.
BUT NOW THAT THEY HAVE DEFINITIVE ANSWER FROM ME AND TXDOT, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT MY ANSWER IS THE ANSWER.
UM, AND SO THEIR TIA, THEY'RE GONNA DO THEIR UPDATED TIA, BUT THEY WENT AHEAD AND SUBMITTED THEIR EARLY GRADING PACKAGE THEY HAD ANTICIPATED AND IN PRIOR CONVERSATIONS WITH HENRY, WHEN HE WAS THE ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT MM-HMM
APPARENTLY THEY HAD SET ASIDE SOME FUNDING TO HELP PUT A SIGNAL THERE AT SOME POINT.
'CAUSE THEY KNEW IT WAS GONNA BE NEEDED.
UM, MOST RECENT CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD WITH DUSTIN WAS DUSTIN.
UM, IS THAT HE THINKS THAT THERE ARE FUNDS SET ASIDE, HE'S WAITING FOR THE TIA TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO THE BOARD TO FINALIZE THAT, BUT THEY NOW THEY HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION.
SO, UM, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH, UH, SAFETY FACTORS.
I THINK WE'VE HAD AT LEAST ONE, MAYBE TWO KIDS GET HIT IN THIS AREA.
UM, AND SO CITY COUNCIL SAID REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE SCHOOL DOES, REGARDLESS OF WHAT TXDOT SAYS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT ANYBODY ELSE DOES, WE WANNA PRIORITIZE MAKING THAT A SAFER INTERSECTION.
SO GO AHEAD AND START THE DESIGN NOW.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID IS WE SAID, ALL RIGHT, IN 2026, WE'RE GONNA START THE DESIGN.
I'VE ALREADY STARTED THE CONVERSATION WITH TEXTILES SO THEY KNOW WHAT'S COMING.
AND THEN WE'RE THINKING BY 2028 WE CAN BE IN CONSTRUCTION AND THAT GIVES THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ENOUGH TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
PLUS, THAT GIVES US TIME TO BE ABLE TO ADJUST THE COST AMOUNT IF THE SCHOOL'S GONNA CHIP IN ANY MONEY OR IF ANYBODY ELSE IS GONNA CHIP IN ANY MONEY TO BE ABLE TO LOWER THE AMOUNT THAT I'M PUTTING ON THE CITY.
SO, IS THERE A REASON GO AHEAD, RICK.
YOU WERE GONNA SAY NO, GO FOR IT.
WHEN STILL PART OF THE ISD, WERE THEY NOT PUSHING TO GET THIS DONE TO LIKE, WE HAVE THIS MONEY SO WE DO IT.
YOU, YOU CAN'T BUILD A SIGNAL UNTIL IT'S WARRANTED.
NOW IT'S WARRANTED RE BECAUSE KIDS GOT HIT.
PRETTY, BUT ALSO BECAUSE I'M, THAT'S FACTS, RIGHT? LIKE I I I DON'T MEAN PEOPLE 79, THAT'S HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE KEPT TURNING ON 79 EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T SAFE AND GOT A LIGHT NOW.
BUT THERE'S, THERE'S MULTIPLE FACTORS.
SO, UM, THE NINTH GRADE CENTER BY ITSELF DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH PROJECTED TRAFFIC VOLUMES TO TRIGGER.
THE, THE, UH, INTER THE IMPROVEMENT, THEN WHEN YOU ADD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT ADDS MORE VOLUME MM-HMM
BUT WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE FACT THAT LYELL WALKER, IT'S NOW EXTENDING MAIN HIPPO ALL THE WAY TO 1 33, WHICH IS GONNA CONNECT TO FLORA BOULEVARD.
SO NOW YOU HAVE ALL OF THOSE HOMES.
YOU HAVE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, YOU HAVE A NINTH GRADE CENTER PLUS THE EXPANDED HIGH SCHOOL.
HAVE WE TALKED TO THE
THEY'RE FUNDING, THEY'RE BUILDING A MASSIVE PIECE OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.
DIDN'T WHEN, UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT COME TO US, WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THE NINTH GRADE CENTER, DIDN'T THE SUBJECT OF A LIGHT COME UP ON THAT ROAD AND DIDN'T THEY SAY THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO HELP? AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK THAT WAS BACK WHEN HENRY GIDEON WAS THE ASSISTANT.
AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK THEY ACTUALLY SET ASIDE MONEY KNOWING THAT IT WAS PROBABLY GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT AND THEY HAD ALREADY PERFORMED WHEN IT WAS THE BIGGER ISSUE OF DO SCHOOLS DO THE TIA, THE REST, THEY'D ALREADY DONE A TI OUT HERE.
SO THEY KNEW EVENTUALLY THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO PARTICIPATE MM-HMM
UM, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT WAS HEADED.
BUT WE NEED THEM TO CONFIRM THEY STILL HAVE THAT MONEY BUDGET FOR THIS BECAUSE HENRY DIDN'T WORK THERE ANYMORE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK LAY CONVERSATION WITH US.
BUT WE NEED THEIR TIA FINALIZED MM-HMM
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GO BACK TO THE BOARD AND SAY, OKAY, YEAH, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON THIS.WHERE IT IS ON THE CIP LOOKS FINE IN MY OPINION.
UH, 28 STARTING DESIGN AND TEXT.
I MEAN, REMEMBER IT'S GONNA BE TEXT BOX, SO YEAH.
THAT'S WHY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO WAIT.
I, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S FINE.
T 17 IS LIMMER LOOP AND HAY BARN.
CAN YOU PULL UP THE MAP AGAIN? SORRY.
THAT, THAT INTERSECTION IS SO DANGEROUS.
WHERE, WHERE IS IT AGAIN THAT IT IS WEST OF ONE 30 ON LIMMER.
SO YOU SEE LEMON ON THE NORTH SIDE.
AND THAT'S THE PART THAT HAY BARN IS SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW THAT OKAY.
LINE UP WITH LEMON, RIGHT? WELL, YEP.
HAY BARN IS THE TOP OF THE HILL.
SO IF YOU ARE COMING WESTBOUND ON LIMMER, THAT'S HARD.
YOU CAN'T SEE IF ANYBODY'S TURNING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT ONE, IT'S GOING TO END UP, UM, HAY BARN WILL MOVE TO THE EAST AND WE WILL, UM, LINE UP WITH WOMEN LIMIT.
AND WE'VE GOT A PROJECT ON THAT CORNER THAT WAS A DIFFERENT NAME AND NOW I CAN'T REMEMBER EITHER OF 'EM.
PEARL ESTATES AND NOW IT'S LIMMER SOMETHING, SOMETHING LIMMER SQUARE.
AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S COMING IN THAT THEY SHOULD BE HELPING WITH SOME OF THAT.
NOW MY ONLY QUESTION WITH THE, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE HAY BARN, BUT ON THAT INTERSECTION IN PARTICULAR, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE SOME SORT OF EXTRA TALL OR EXTRA FAR AWAY LIGHT SAYING, HEY, LIGHT'S COMING UP, LIGHT'S COMING UP.
BECAUSE YOU COME OVER THAT HILL AT 45, MAYBE 50 MILES AN HOUR AND TRAFFIC STOPPED.
IT'S LIKE THE LIGHT UP AT 6 85 OR, OR CHRIS KELLY AND ONE 30 WHEN YOU GO AROUND THE CORNER, THERE'S A LIGHT UP.
THE OTHER THING, YOU CAN DO SOMETHING WHERE IT'S LIKE, OH YEAH, THERE'S, THE OTHER THING YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN HAVE A PREEMPTIVE SIGN MM-HMM
THAT IT'S JUST THE YELLOW DIAMOND THAT HAS THE SIGNAL ON IT.
AND THEN IT SAYS, BE PREPARED TO STOP WHEN FLASHING.
AND THEN YOU SET THE FLASHERS SO THAT WHEN THE CROSS LEGS GO YELLOW MM-HMM
SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, OKAY, WE'RE ABOUT TO FLASH.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THEY'VE GOT ONE OF THOSE ON, UH, A W GRIMES RIGHT.
AND IT'S JUST, HEY, BE PREPARED TO STOP.
YOU'RE COMING AROUND THE CURVE AND YOU HIT THIS LIGHT.
SO THIS HAS DEVELOPER DOLLARS INCLUDED, RIGHT? IS WHAT YOU SAID? POTENTIALLY.
AND I MEAN, I, I'VE JUST STUCK IT WAY OUT THERE AT 2030, WHICH IS THE LAST YEAR IN THIS PLANNING CYCLE.
I, I THINK THAT'S OUR NEXT INNOVATION PROBLEM AS FAR AS ACCIDENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT BACK UP AGAIN.
SO, BECAUSE THE SCHOOL JUST OPENED AND I, I DRIVE THROUGH THERE EVERY MORNING TAKING KIDDO TO SCHOOL AND IT'S BACKED UP.
AND THERE ARE PEOPLE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE? REMEMBER LUKE AND HAYWARD? YES.
I MEAN, THIS MORNING I WAS BACKED UP ALMOST TO ONE 30.
YOU HAVE TO GET OVER TO PATRIOT AND REST OF THE SCHOOLS OPEN.
AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE SCHOOL OPENING UP NOW, THEY'RE ALL USING THAT TO GET INTO THE SCHOOL.
THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE.
THERE'S TOO MANY BOTTLENECKS IN TRAFFIC ACROSS THIS WHOLE CITY.
SO HOW DO YOU PRIORITIZE? BECAUSE THAT'S AN ISSUE, BUT LIKE EVERYTHING'S ON THE, HERE, HERE'S, I KNOW IF YOU'RE SAYING YOU WERE HEADED WESTBOUND YEP.
WHICH MEANS YOU'RE HEADING TOWARDS ROUND ROCK AND YOU'RE BACKED UP ALMOST TO ONE 30.
UM, THAT'S NOT HU THAT'S ROUND ROCK.
ONE 30 TO LEMONS IS HU ETJ IS THAT YES.
OH, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I, I KNOW IT'S, YOU'RE NOT BACKED UP BECAUSE OF LEMONS.
YOU WERE BACKED UP BECAUSE OF STUFF THAT'S FURTHER WEST.
I'M BACKED UP BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TURNING LEFT FROM WESTBOUND ONTO HAY BARN.
OH, P BARN TO GET TO THE NEW MIDDLE SCHOOL.
OH, THAT'S WHERE YOU GUYS, YEAH.
BECAUSE IT'S GOT SO COST I'M BACKED UP TO ONE 30.
THAT'S JUST BECAUSE DOESN'T HAVE CENTER INTERS.
AND THIS CURRENTLY, THAT'S NOT US EITHER.
I SAY WE JUST GET THE ROADS I IN THE CITY LIMITS WITH TAXPAYER MONEY DONE.
AND THEN WE'LL WORRY ABOUT THOSE ON THE
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LATER.BUT TO ME, THIS THE HAY BARN AND THE E TJ.
FOR NOW, WHAT DOES IT TAKE? UH, PROBABLY, SO WE, I'M GONNA REGRET ASKING THIS.
WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO SHUT THAT ROAD DOWN? HAY BARN.
OH, NOT GONNA, I GOD, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO SHUT IT DOWN TEMPORARILY? T BECAUSE THE SCHOOL, THE SCHOOL WOULD THROW A FIT.
SO DID THE SCHOOL NEED DO A TIA TO ASSESS IT'S AN THE COUNTY THAT'S, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO, AND THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE TO CARRY REQUIREMENTS.
SO ALL, ALL OF THIS IS KIND OF, HEY LOOK, THIS IS KIND, THIS IS KIND OF AN IMPORTANT ONE.
IT'S A FREE FOR ALL AND, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN FIX WITH THAT NEW THING.
WELL THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I WAS GOING.
WE'RE DOING THE LIMMER SQUARE RIGHT THERE IN THE BROWN FIELD.
THAT IS, THAT IS BEING ANNEXED.
WHAT ABOUT, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
SO CAN WE SOMEHOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THE DA'S BEEN SIGNED OR NOT, BUT IT HAS.
CAN WE SOMEHOW GET HAY BARN CONTRIBUTION, LET'S SAY FROM LIMMER SQUARE TO RELOCATE HAY BARN AND DO THE INTERSECTION AND MAYBE PUSH THAT UP A LITTLE BIT? SO THE DEVELOPER HAS ALREADY COMMITTED TO DOING THE RELOCATION OF HAY BARN.
BUT WE CAN ONLY CHARGE THEM A CERTAIN PORTION OF IT.
SO THAT'S WHY I HAVE A SMALL PORTION STUCK OUT THERE IN 2030 VERSUS US HAVING TO DO THE ENTIRE PROJECT.
NOW THE QUESTION IS GONNA BE WHEN THEY ACTUALLY GET THERE, LET THE DEVELOPER, WE MAY HAVE TO BRING IT FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO BUDGET TO PAY THEM.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, MY THOUGHT, MY THINKING AND MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU GUYS TO CITY COUNCIL, CITY MANAGEMENT WOULD BE LET THE DEVELOPER DO ALL THE WORK.
AND WE JUST CUT 'EM A CHECK WHEN THEY'RE DONE.
WHERE AT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M THINKING.
BUT THEN WE MIGHT, 'CAUSE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT STARTING, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HOT, SO THEY WANT TO GO MM-HMM
SO THEY MAY BE FINISHED PRIOR TO 2030, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO WE MAY HAVE TO WRITE THE CHECK EARLIER.
YEAH, THAT'S, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE IT RIGHT.
THEN WE CAN MOVE IT BACK OUT IF THEY'RE DELAYED OR WHATEVER, BUT YEP.
I, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE IDEA OF THEM DOING THE WORK.
BUT THEN WE'LL HAVE TO WRITE 'EM A CHECK AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE MORE LIKE 29.
ASHLEY, WHAT DO YOU THINK? MAYBE 28 MAYBE.
DEPENDS HOW FAST THEY WANT TO GO.
AND IT ALSO DEPENDS ON WHEN THAT, UM, INTERSECTION IS WARRANTED.
'CAUSE I THINK HAY BARN MOVING IS GONNA HAVE TO BE PRETTY QUICK.
IF THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT MULTI-FAMILY AND COMMERCIAL STUFF ON THE CORNER MM-HMM
LIKE, THEY MAY ACTUALLY START WITH THAT, BUT EVEN THEN, OKAY.
THEY NEED TO FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
JUST A SIDE NOTE, THERE'S A LOT OF LITTLE POCKET OF E TJ ALONG THERE.
IT'S MOSTLY, AND I'VE HEARD BECAUSE OF THAT, THE NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THERE'S A LOT OF EAST WEST TRAFFIC THERE THAT THEY, AND, AND THERE'S, THEY'RE STILL ON SEPTIC IN THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL EVER BE ABLE TO ANNEX ALL THE WAY OUT THERE.
IT'S JUST SIDE NOTE, I WAS JUST THINKING THAT WE HAVE ALL THESE E TJ POCKETS THAT END UP BITING US LATER ON.
AND IT'S ETJ POCKETS THAT ARE ALREADY DEVELOPED.
SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT RIGHT AFTER THE FACT.
AND NUMBERS AREN'T EVERYBODY'S THING.
SO THIS ONE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, UH, STARTING DESIGN IN 27 MM-HMM
AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION IS OUT IN 2030.
UM, THIS IS ONE THAT WE HAVE, I DON'T HAVE ANY DATA ON.
CITY COUNCIL SAID WE NEEDED TO START DESIGN ON IT.
WELL, THAT'S I GUESS INNOVATION WHERE THE, UM, TOYOTA DEALERSHIP GONNA GO.
I WAS, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, AREN'T WE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY DROPPING THE PENSKE TOW TOYOTA IN SOUTH OF THE SCHOOL, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO, AND WHEN THEY COME, THEY'LL BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING.
DO WE WANT TO MAYBE GET THE DESIGN DONE IN 26 SO IT'S READY TO GO AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO CONTRIBUTE
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ON OR HAS THAT SHIPPED SELLED BECAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF STUFF IN 26 WHEN YOUR PLAN YEAH.BUT THE, THESE ARE PLANS AND DESIGNS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT PLANS AND DESIGNS COST A LOT OF MONEY.
BUT, BUT WHERE ARE WE GONNA GET THE MONEY? WE'RE MAGIC.
MY, MY ANSWER IS WE CAN GET THE MONEY.
UM, SO ELIMINATES, DAN, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, HAS THAT SHIP ALREADY SAILED? NO, IT HAS NOT.
UH, THE GROUP THAT IS DOING THE DEALERSHIP HAS SUBMITTED A PRELIMINARY CONCEPT AND HAD A PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING WITH US.
UM, I HAVE BASICALLY TOLD THEM THAT THEIR CONCEPT DOESN'T WORK.
UM, PARTLY BECAUSE THEY HAD A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH US, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO PARTLY, WHAT WAS THAT? THE CONCEPT THAT THEY SHOWED US IN THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING DID NOT MATCH THE CONCEPT THAT THEY HAD IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT, AND THE REASON IT DIDN'T, THIS IS THE OTHER THING, THE REASON IT DIDN'T MATCH IS BECAUSE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IT SHOWS THEM STARTING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SCHNEIDER BOULEVARD EXTENSION.
THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GO FROM INNOVATION TO ONE 30.
AND THAT'S HOW THEY WERE GONNA TAKE THEIR NORTHERN ACCESS WAS THROUGH THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
THEY HAVE SINCE DECIDED, SINCE THEY SIGNED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND ACTUALLY STARTED THE PROCESS THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO BUILD THAT.
AND SO WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY BASICALLY SAID, ALL RIGHT, HERE'S YOUR RIGHT OF WAY.
WE'RE GONNA PUT A DRIVEWAY RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
AND I SAID, NO, THAT DOESN'T MEAN OUR CODE.
SO NOW THEY WANNA HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WITH ME TO FOLLOW UP.
UH, I'VE ALREADY PUT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, REAL ESTATE AND CITY MANAGEMENT ON NOTICE THAT I'M NOT BACKING OFF ON THIS.
'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE A LOT OF TRAFFIC THROUGH THAT AREA.
AND SO THE ONLY REASON I BRING THAT UP IS I KNOW THE SHIP NUMBER ONE, THE SHIP IS NOT SAILED.
BUT NUMBER TWO, JUST BE AWARE THAT WE ARE ASKING THEM TO DO SOMETHING ON THAT SECTION OF ROADWAY AS WELL.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA TRY TO SAY YOU HAVE TO BUILD, CAN YOU PULL THE MAP SO WE CAN ALL VISUALLY SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? ALRIGHT, SO HERE'S SCHNEIDER.
HERE'S BASICALLY THE LAND IN QUESTION.
THE MASTER PLAN SHOWS AN EXTENSION OF SCHNEIDER FROM INNOVATION ACROSS TO ONE 30.
BECAUSE EVENTUALLY WE'RE, THE THOUGHT IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND THIS FRONTAGE ROAD.
AND SO THEY'RE GONNA TIE IN HERE.
SO THEN YOU HAVE ALL OF THIS TRAFFIC.
BUT THAT FRONTAGE ROAD IS FIVE YEARS AWAY.
MORE PROBABLY 10, EIGHT YEARS.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S LIKE, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE PENSKE DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T WANT TO PUT IN THE FRONTAGE ROAD.
BECAUSE IT'S 12 TO $20 MILLION.
SO, UH, SO BASICALLY THEIR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SHOWED THEM BUILDING PART OF THIS ROADWAY SO THAT THEY COULD TAKE ACCESS FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY.
THEY HAVE SINCE SAID NO, WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT.
SO THEY MOVED THEIR DRIVEWAY MAYBE 30 FEET SOUTH WHERE THAT OH MY GOODNESS.
ROADWAYS GONNA RAIN AND SAID WE'RE GONNA TAKE OUR NORTH ACCESS HERE.
AND I SAID, NO, THAT DOESN'T WORK.
AND THEY SAID, OH, WE'LL G IT SO ONLY OUR TRUCKS THAT ARE DELIVERING CARS WILL COME IN THERE.
STILL FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION.
CAN WE ZOOM BACK OUT? WHAT DO YOU ALLOT FROM, FROM UM, CURB CUT TO CURB CARS PER LIKE DRIVEWAYS, WHAT IS IT? 125 FEET APART? UH, I THINK ON THIS ONE THEY STILL 250 FEET, TWO 50 FEET APART.
SEE, AND ESPECIALLY THAT CLOSE TO AN INTERSECTION.
WELL THEY, THEY SAID, WE'LL WE WILL REMOVE THE DRIVEWAY ONCE YOU GUYS BUILD THE ROAD.
NO, THEY'RE NOT GONNA MOVE THE DRIVEWAY.
BECAUSE ONE TO 10 IT'S IN, THEY'RE GONNA ACCESS IT EITHER WAY BECAUSE HAVING A DRIVEWAY THERE IS LIKE A RIGHT.
SO, AND THEY'RE GONNA FENCE THE LAW.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS ARE AWARE THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD HAVE THEM DO SOMETHING ON INNOVATION.
BUT I'M ALSO ASKING THEM TO DO SOMETHING ON SCHNEIDER, WHICH MEANS WE PROBABLY WON'T GET BOTH.
WHICH WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE? I'D RATHER HAVE SCHNEIDER OR SCHNEIDER INNOVATION.
SCHNEIDER'S SHORTER TERM INNOVATION FOREVER.
WELL, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE INNOVATION BECAUSE WHO KNOWS WHEN WE'RE GONNA GET THAT FRONTAGE ROAD.
SO SCHNEIDER GOING THROUGH TO A CUL-DE-SAC OR A DEAD END, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THEN WOULD THERE BE TWO ENTRANCES ON INNOVATION? ONE FOR THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND ONE FOR UH, I'M SURE THERE WOULD BE CUSTOMERS.
YEAH, I'M SURE THERE WOULD BE.
WHERE ARE THEIR SALES PEOPLE? LIKE IF I'M GONNA GO BUY A CAR, HOW AM I GETTING TO THEM? IS IT THROUGH THAT DRIVEWAY? SO RIGHT NOW, THEIR CURRENT PROPOSAL THAT I'VE SAID NO TO IS PUTTING THREE DRIVEWAYS
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ON INNOVATION.THAT SHOULD BE, WELL, WELL THEY HAVE TWO CELL CENTERS.
CAN THEY LINE ONE? THIS IS THE DRIVEWAY, IS IT NOT? UH, SO THEY COULD LINE ONE HERE.
AND THEY LINE ONE UP WITH ANOTHER BIG ENTRANCE.
SO YOU HAVE THE CUSTOMER'S INVENTORY.
WELL THEY'VE GOT WHATEVER THEY PUT IN THEIR PUD AS THEIR MAIN, UM, ACCESS POINTS.
'CAUSE THEY KIND OF GAVE, THEY GAVE US A CONCEPTUAL PLAN WITH THAT ZONING DOCUMENT THAT SHOWED LIKE, HEY, THIS IS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
IT SHOWED, SO SCHNEIDER, THE APPROVAL WAS FOR THEM TO GET A DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? ROUGHLY HERE.
AND THEN ONE ROUGHLY HERE AND ONE ROUGHLY.
SO NOW WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS PUTTING ONE HERE, ONE HERE AND ONE HERE.
RIGHT ABOVE THE D IN BOULEVARD.
IF YOU HEAD SOUTH ON INNOVATION A LITTLE BIT, THEY RIGHT ABOVE THE D IN THE MIDDLE.
ISN'T THAT PARKER OR WHATEVER? ISN'T THAT WHERE THAT'S CONNECTING IN? BECAUSE THAT LOOKS ABOUT LINED UP WITH THE Y-M-C-A-Y-M-C-A IS HERE.
'CAUSE WE'VE GOT PARKER COMING THROUGH.
SO THAT IS WAY MORE THAN 250 FEET BETWEEN DRIVEWAYS.
COULD WE, SORRY, I, THIS IS GETTING OFF OF CIP BUT COULD WE PITCH THAT TO THEM? IF THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT IN THAT SCHNEIDER, THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TWO WIDELY SEPARATED.
ONE IS CUSTOMER, ONE IS DELIVERY.
WELL, IF THEY PUT, IF THEY PUT THE ROAD DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO ONE 30 ON.
WELL, THEY'RE SAYING THEY CAN'T PUT ROADS DOWN HERE BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PUT THEIR DETENTION POND.
THEY CAN DO WHAT? DETENTION POND.
SO THEY, THEY CAN DRIVE AROUND THE DETENTION POND.
CUSTOMERS I'M SAYING NOT NOT THE BIG TRUCKS.
THEY DON'T WANNA LIKE THAT BECAUSE OF THE, IT'LL BE PRETTY, IT'LL HAVE, IT'LL HAVE CRANES IN THERE AND STUFF.
IS THERE A WAY TO, SORRY, I'M GETTING OFF.
BUT THE RETAIL ONES ARE ON THE, ON THE NORTHEAST.
HOW DO WE KEEP THEIR TRUCKS FROM GOING? LIKE DO WE THINK THEY'RE ALWAYS GONNA GO INNOVATION? I JUST DON'T WANNA SEE THEM GOING UP.
WHAT IS THAT EDGE SCHMIDT TO EMORY FARM AND CROPS.
IT'S GONNA HAPPEN UNTIL ACCESS WHAT, ONE 30? WELL, YOU COULD, CAN, COULD YOU NOT MAKE THAT PART OF THE CONDITION OF THEM BUILDING? I MEAN, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO, UH, BIG TRUCKS ALLOWED DOWN.
WELL, I MEAN, BUT YOU, IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, YOU WOULD'VE TO STOP ALL TRUCKS FROM GOING MM-HMM
WHEN EDGEMAN WHEN IS THE ALLIANCE, YOU CAN'T JUST RESTRICT THEIR TRUCKS.
YOU HAVE TO RESTRICT ALL WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
JUST RESTRICT, JUST LIKE THEY DID ON TRUCK TRAFFIC ROAD.
BUT CARL STERN SEARCH DON'T KNOW 18 WHEELERS, BIG TRUCKS ARE ALLOWED ON, UH, CARL'S CHURCH, BUT IT'S RESIDENCE.
WELL, WE COULD DO THAT WITH EMORY FARMS. WE ALREADY DID.
SO THEY WOULD MOSTLY BE ACCESSING EITHER THROUGH INNOVATION OR ALLIANCE YEP.
OR EXITING LIMMER AND THEN COMING BACK DOWN.
SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE CUTTING.
THEY'RE NOT, THAT WAS MY, THEY'LL FIGURE THAT OUT.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE, THEY CAN'T GO THROUGH EMORY FARMS BECAUSE THAT'S DISALLOWED.
ALLIANCE WILL HAVE THAT WEIRD LEFT TURN THAT'S COMING IN FOR HOOKY, BUT THEY COULD ACTUALLY DO ALLIANCE OVER TO PARKER AND GO BACK THROUGH AN EXISTING, UM, THAT PARKER.
HOW YOU SPELLING MA? HOO LIKE IT.
SO DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE CUTTING SCHOOL ON THEM STARTING TO TURN DIRT? THEY HAVEN'T PLOTTED.
THEY HAVE, THEY'RE, WE GOT NO TIMELINES.
NO, THEY GAVE THAT THING AND HE WAS LIKE, HEY, THIS DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT.
AND I WAS LIKE, THAT ISN'T RIGHT.
AND IT KIND OF WENT WELL THEN I, I WOULD SAY LEAVE THE CONSTRUCTION.
BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING IN 26, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE A YEAR TO TALK TO THEM AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
AND THEN IF WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING IN 27, THEN WE CAN CHANGE IT.
16 NORTH EXPANSION FROM FARLEY TO LIVE OAK.
SO THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM THE MASTER, FROM THE NEWLY ADOPTED MASTER PLANS.
AND YOU KNOW, WE WIDENED, WE IMPROVED 1660 BETWEEN MM-HMM
WELL THE MASTER PLAN CALLS FOR US TO WIDEN 1660 FROM FARLEY UP TO LIVE OAK.
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THAT, UH, LEMME GO OVER HERE AND FIND THAT PROJECT.ACTUALLY, I LOOK HERE BECAUSE I CAN GOOD LUCK,
WELL THAT'S GONNA BE IN THAT WHOLE ZIPPER TEARING UP 16.
16 NORTH FROM GOOD LUCK FROM FARLEY TO MEGA BEGGAR.
IS THIS GONNA BE, SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GONNA WIDEN IT? LIKE HOW, CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THAT TELEPHONE'S, A TELEPHONE POLE? ARE YOU TALKING MAKING IT A TWO LANE ROAD EACH WAY? THAT'S QUESTION.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT THE MASTER PLAN CALLS TO MAKE IT A FOUR LANE ROAD.
THOSE PEOPLE ARE OH, OH MY GOD.
I DIDN'T KNOW YOU COULD DO THAT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE THREE.
I USED TO TEACH WHATCHA CALL IT, UH, PHILLIPS WAS THIS PHILLIPS, HE USED TO BE MAYOR, UM, FOWLER OWN A BIG GREENHOUSE.
OH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW JEFF.
I USED TO TEASE HIM ALL THE TIME.
BUT THE CITY WAS GONNA COME IN THERE, WIDEN THAT ROAD.
HE GOES, NO, NO, THEY'RE NOT DEAD BODIES.
IT'S GOING FROM TWO LANES TO THREE LANES.
ARE WE ADDING SIDEWALKS AS PART OF THAT PROJECT? OH, ON ONE SIDE, AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT SPECIFIC, SPELLED OUT THE MASTER PLAN, BUT I, I DRIVE DOWN THERE OBVIOUSLY LIKE A TELEPHONE POLE.
BUT I'VE GOT THAT WHAT'S DISAPPEARED OUT IN 2030.
SO I DIDN'T ANTICIPATE ANYBODY REALLY WANTING TO START THAT ONE RIGHT NOW.
WELL, DOES THAT INCLUDE SIDEWALKS? DID YOU, I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID.
IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY MASTER PLAN NOT TO INCLUDE SIDEWALKS IN THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN.
BUT I MEAN, IT'LL BE I THINK MORE BASED ON THE STANDARD DETAILS.
WE COULD INCLUDE SIDEWALKS WITH IT.
UM, WELL, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE SIDEWALKS.
IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF YOU'RE GONNA WIND IT'S ONE, IT'S A ONE STOP SIDEWALK.
NOW, WE HAD TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE MAPPING AND THEN KIND OF THE ONE WAY PLAN, RIGHT.
AND TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT DESIGN OF THAT STUFF SHOULD COINCIDE WITH DESIGN OF THIS, RIGHT? OR SHOULD WE DO IT COMPLETELY SEPARATE? I WOULD DO IT SEPARATE.
UM, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA WANNA FIGURE OUT HOW TO PHASE ALL THOSE PROJECTS.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE LIVE OAK IN 1660 AND OLD TOWN HALL IN CONSTRUCTION AT THE SAME TIME.
AND, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE WOULD INCLUDE IT.
BECAUSE THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A PHASE OF THAT.
THIS IS JUST THE MAIN, THE MAIN ROAD TO ALL OF O OLD TOWN.
JUST REMEMBER THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA DESIGN THEM AS ONE PROJECT AND AWARD THEM AS ONE PROJECT, EVEN IF YOU'RE PHASING IT, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE ALL THE MONEY.
WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE WRONG TO MAKE LIVE OUT PRIORITY ONE AND THEN THIS PRIORITY TOO? I AGREE WITH THAT.
YOU SAYING DO LIVE OAK AND THEN COME BACK AND DO 1660 NORTH? WE NEED 1660 THOUGH.
JUST REMEMBER THOUGH THAT, UM, WE STILL HAVE THE OLD TOWN STUFF THAT WE HAVEN'T ADDED TO THIS YET THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
SO IS THAT GONNA BE PRIORITY THREE OR IS OLD TOWN GONNA BECOME PRIORITY TWO? MM, I UNFORTUNATELY, I UNFORTUNATELY I WOULD PUT, UH, FROM THREE.
SO WHAT ARE WE SAYING? MAINLY BECAUSE IT'S A MAJOR ROAD COMING IN AND OUT OF HUDA AND YOU'VE GOT ALL THE TRAFFIC, ALL THE SUBDIVISIONS OUT, OUT THERE COMING THIS WAY.
I MEAN, TONIGHT COMING OVER HERE.
SO WHEN YOU SAY MAKE IT A HIGHER PRIORITY, ARE YOU SAYING PUT IT INTO 26, 27, 28, 29? I'M, I'M GOING TO, I'M GONNA DISAGREE WITH YOU FOR A SECOND, TONY.
NO, DON'T YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.
SO I LIKE IT AT 2030 BECAUSE BY THEN AT 23, 20 30.
OH, I LIKE IT AT 2030 BECAUSE BY THEN WE'VE GOT THE 1 32 OVERPASS OR WHATEVER DONE.
AND THERE'S A LOT LESS TRAFFIC ON 1660.
'CAUSE THEY'RE ALL HEADED TO THE EAST.
YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA OR YOU WON'T? NO, I'M GONNA DISAGREE WITH YOU.
I STILL THINK 1660 NORTH SHOULD HAVE A HIGHER PRIORITY.
MAKE I THAT ONE RIGHT WHERE IT'S AT.
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I, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE SHIFTING TRAFFIC AND UNTIL THE OVERPASS AND 1 32 AND ALL THAT GETS DONE, NO ONE'S GOT ANY OTHER WAY TO GO.SO THEY'RE GONNA RUN INTO CONSTRUCTION ON 1660 WHEN THAT'S THE ONLY WAY NORTHBOUND WEST, ANY, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WEST OF EXCHANGE TO GET TO 79 OR EAST OF EXCHANGE.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY EAST OF EXCHANGE TO GET TO 79.
SO IF WE START TEARING THAT UP BEFORE THERE'S A 1 32 TO USE, WE'RE MAKING EVERYBODY GO TO EXCHANGE AND INNOVATION AND, UH, CARL STERN, OR SORRY, ED SCHMIDT? NO.
BY THEN THERE'LL BE THE ROAD COMING OUT OFF OF 1660 NORTH GOING THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION TO THE, TO THE LEFT OVER TO COUNTY ROAD ONE 19.
BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO GO WEST ON LIMMER OR WHATEVER? NO, NO.
THEY CAN GO WEST ON THAT HIGHWAY.
THE, ON THAT ROAD THAT WILL GO THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION THAT THEY'RE GETTING.
THEY'LL HAVE TO GO WEST ON LIMMER SIX NORTH ON 1660 AND THEN WEST ON THAT ROAD.
I, I STILL THINK IT NEEDS TO PRIOR.
WHAT ARE THE THREE PRIORITIES WE'RE JUGGLING? 1660 NORTH OLD TOWN AND LIVE OAK.
WHAT, WHAT ORDER? I'M NOT SAYING THOSE ARE THE THREE MM-HMM
WE'RE HAVING A DISAGREEMENT ABOUT OLD TOWN.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE 1 32 OFF AND RUNNING BEFORE WE MESS WITH 1660.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S REALISTIC BASED OFF OF THE TIMING OF HOW WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR, DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR TEXDOT AND THE RAILROAD AND WHO KNOWS WHO ELSE FOR 1, 3, 2.
BUT I MEAN, IT KIND OF DEPENDS.
THEN TDOT AND THE RAILROAD ARE GONNA BE PRETTY QUICK AND EASY.
IF WE STICK TO THE GRADE CROSSING THAT PEOPLE ARE PUSHING NOW, THEN YES, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT FOR TEXTILE AND UP AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO NEGOTIATE WITH BOTH OF THEM.
SO WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A DEFINITIVE PLAN RIGHT NOW.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT EITHER WAY WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH 1 32.
1 32 INTERSECTION MULTI-GRADE IS IS WOULD BE QUICKER.
UP AND OVER TO SAVE ROUTE FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES.
I HEARD GRADE, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU SAID SINGLE GRADE OR MULTI-GRADE.
THE RAILROAD IS JUST BASICALLY GONNA SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN HEIGHT RIGHT.
WHEN YOU CROSS OUR TRACKS AND YOU HAVE TO BE A CERTAIN DISTANCE AWAY FROM OUR TRACKS, THAT'S ALL WE CARE ABOUT.
AND SO ONCE WE SHOW THEM THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT, THEN THEY'RE GONNA BE, AND TDOT REALLY ISN'T GONNA CARE ANYTHING ABOUT THE OVERPASS AS LONG AS THEY GET THE ROAD WIDENING THAT THEY WANT.
THAT'S ALL BASED ON PRIOR CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD WITH THEM UP UNTIL WE DECIDED TO CHANGE THE DESIGN AGAIN.
SO BECAUSE WE'RE STUCK IN LIMBO ON WHAT WE WANNA DO, YOU STILL HAVE 1660, WHICH IS NOT GOING AWAY.
AND THERE'S PEOPLE THAT AREN'T GONNA DRIVE TO 1 32 OF 1660 IS RIGHT THERE.
THEY DON'T WANNA GO FARTHER TO COME BACK.
SO I CAN SEE WHAT TONY'S SAYING ABOUT MAKING ALSO THAT IT'S, IT'S A TOOTH THAT'S GOTTA GET PULLED.
MIGHT AS WELL PULL IT SOONER THAN LATER.
WELL, THE THE OTHER SHOE TO MY ARGUMENT AGAINST IS THAT GIVES US TIME TO DO THE PLANNING AND MAPPING OF OLD TOWN.
YOU KNOW WHAT, LET ME DELETE YOU OUT OF MY PHONE.
NO, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'S JUST THAT I PERSONALLY THINK 1660 NORTH, WHICH IS A FARM TO MARKET ROAD OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED.
I THINK IT'S A, SHOULD CARRY A HIGHER PRIORITY.
UM, I I JUST DO, IT'LL BE EASIER TO DO THAN A BRIDGE.
IT'LL TAKE LESS TIME TO DO THAN A BRIDGE.
BUT IT'LL BOTTLENECK AT LIVE OAK.
YOU'RE GONNA BOTTLENECK NO MATTER WHAT.
NO MATTER WHAT YOU'RE GONNA, WHEN YOU'RE DOING LIVE OAK, YOU'RE GONNA BOTTLENECK SOMEWHERE.
YOU'RE GONNA BOTTLENECK NO MATTER WHAT.
SO MY POINT IS THAT DOESN'T HELP TRAFFIC IF
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YOU'RE BUILDING IN BOTTLENECKS.WE'RE UNDER SEVERE THE MORNING, BUT I KEEP LOOKING AND WE'RE NOT HITTING ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST GREEN ON THE RADAR.
IF I WANNA MAKE SURE PAUSE AND HAVE EVERYBODY GO PARK THE GARAGE.
IF WE'RE BUILDING, MAKING THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND IT JUST RESULTS IN A BOTTLENECK THAT WE'RE REALLY NOT HELPING THE SITUATION AT THAT TIME, WE MAY BE HELPING IT IN THE LONG RUN BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
BUT IF WE JUST ARE DOING THREE BLOCKS OF 1660, THAT'S NOT HELPING TRAFFIC.
I THOUGHT IT WAS THE WHOLE THING.
IF YOU GO LOOK AT THE MASTER PLAN, IT CALLS FOR DOING IT FROM, UM, I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING IT ALL THE WAY.
IT, IT CALLS FOR DOING IT ALL THE WAY UP TO LIME LUTHER.
SO I BROKE IT UP IN THE SMALLER CHUNKS.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO OKAY.
WE COULD JUST SAY, ALL RIGHT, LET'S DO EVERYTHING FROM FARLEY ALL THE WAY UP TO
EITHER YOU DO IT ALL AT ONE TIME AND HAVE THE TRAFFIC MESSED UP ALL AT ONE TIME.
OR YOU DO IT IN STAGES AND HAVE THE TRAFFIC MESSED UP FOR A LONG TIME, FOR A LOT, MUCH LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.
JUST DO IT AND GET IT OVER WITH.
SO GIVEN THAT IT'S BROKEN, GIVEN THAT IT'S BROKEN UP INTO SECTIONS, IF WE COMBINE IT INTO FROM MER TO 79, OR ACTUALLY ME TO A, OR LEER TO 79 OR, OR WELL, IT ER'S GOTTEN THE UPGRADED INTERSECTION AND ALL THAT, BUT IT, BUT IT GOES TO LEMER, IT GOES TO LE FROM LIMMER ALL THE WAY DOWN.
SO LET'S, LET'S JUST SAY FROM LIMMER ALL THE WAY DOWN THEN MM-HMM
IF THAT'S ONE PROJECT, THEN I AM FOUR MOVING THAT UP IN PRIORITY.
BUT IF IT'S PIECEMEAL PROJECTS, I'M NOT RIGHT FOR MOVING IT UP.
SO IF IT'S ONE PROJECT, YOU GOTTA COME UP WITH ONE BIG CHECK UPFRONT.
YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH ONE BIG CHECK FOR THAT BRIDGE TOO.
SO I'M, I'M OKAY WITH, WITH IT IF IT'S ONE ONE PROJECT, IT'S ONE CHECK RATHER THAN KEY SPEALING IT AND HAVING THE ABILITY TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
WE DIDN'T DO THE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT WE DID THE IMPROVEMENTS FROM HATO NORTH.
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? MONEY? SO LET'S TAKE THAT OFF THE TABLE.
SO I'VE UPDATED IT BASED ON THE MASTER PLAN VALUE OF 6.7 MILLION.
UH, BUT THAT'S BEFORE WE INFLATE IT.
RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW IT'S IN 2030.
YOU SAID YOU'RE OKAY MOVING IT UP.
WHERE DO WE WANNA MOVE IT UP TO? WHEN, WHEN WAS THE PLANNING, UH, UH, THE MAPPING AND PLANNING ON OLD TOWN? WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET.
THAT'S WHY IT'S UP ON THE BOARD.
IT DOESN'T EXIST ON THIS LIST.
WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T PICK A TIME.
WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY CREATE THAT PROJECT YET.
WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT DIDN'T.
WE TALKED ABOUT OLD TOWN WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LIVE OAK, BUT HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY GO IN AND DO ANYTHING.
DIDN'T WE MOVE LIVE OAK? I THOUGHT WE DID.
NO LIVE OI THOUGHT WE STARTED CONSTRUCTION IN 25.
IF WE PULL IT IN TWO YEARS, WHAT IS IT AT NOW? I WOULD, I WOULD THINK IF WE DO OLD TOWN, IF YOU'RE GONNA START MAPPING OLD TOWN TOMORROW, YOU SHOULD BE DONE IN SIX MONTHS.
SO WOULDN'T THAT BE NICE? BE WONDERFUL IF ONLY WORKS THAT WAY.
I THINK IT SHOULD HAPPEN BEFORE 2030.
SO 20 20, 28 START THE DESIGN.
I LOST TRACK OF, OF DESIGN IN 2026 AND START 2028.
I MIGHT AS LONG, AS, LONG AS IT'S THE WHOLE THING, RIGHT? THAT PIECEMEAL GARBAGE.
SO I JUST NOTICED YOU HAVE 1660 NORTH FROM LIME TO COUNTY ROAD 100.
ARE YOU JUMPING AHEAD? I'M DO YOU WANT THAT TO BE, IF YOU INCLUDED, WHAT IS THE PRICE IN?
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I DON'T EVEN, WHAT'S THE COST OF THAT? SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO, GOING BACK TO YOUR LOGIC OF DOING THE WHOLE THING.WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IF YOU DO THE WHOLE THING? WELL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM LIMMER TO CR 100, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? SO THAT'S EVERY, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING, AREN'T WE TALKING 1616 NORTH FROM FARLEY NORTH TO LIMMER TO LIER TO LIMMER IS WHAT I'M RIGHT.
AND I'M SAYING IF YOU LOOK AT THIS LINE, THIS IS 1660 FROM ER TO COUNTY ROAD 100.
ARE YOU WANTING TO DO FARLEY TO 100? WELL THAT, THAT'S A WHAT, PROBABLY TWO MILE STRETCH OF ROAD.
I DON'T A CLUE IN THE YEAH, THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY, HOW CLOSE IS THAT TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL? WELL, I MEAN THE NINTH GRADE CENTER, IT GOES PAST THE NINTH GRADE CENTER.
IT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE WATER TOWER.
THROUGH AND PART OF THAT ROAD IN COUNTY, IT'S PART OF IT'S COUNTY.
YOU MENTION IT 'CAUSE WE'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT 1661.
YEAH, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE R MUD OR WHATEVER IT IS.
I'VE MOVED IT UP TO 26 AND 27.
THAT DESIGN 26 STARTING CONSTRUCTION IN 27.
HOW LONG IT'LL TAKE TO DO THE WHOLE ROAD A YEAR? 18.
PROBABLY WAIT TO DO THE WHOLE ROAD FROM FARLEY TO LIMMER.
AT WHICH TIME YOU WILL LAY NEW SEWER LINES AND EVERYTHING? CORRECT.
IS THAT INCLUDED IN THE, IN THAT PRICE? I DON'T, NO, IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE PRICE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY LINES OF UP AND DOWN.
BUT THE MAP WILL TELL US THAT'S RIGHT.
OR IS THAT OUTSIDE? ONE IS 1 37.
SO IT'S BASICALLY FROM FARLEY TO 1 38.
THE CURRENT 1 37 PROJECT STOPS BASICALLY AT FARLEY MIDDLE SCHOOL, ROUGHLY PARLEY THE BROOKLYNS.
SO THIS ONE WOULD BE TO EXPAND THE REST OF 1 37 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 1 38 IN THE MASTER PLAN.
HUH? IT'S, IT'S, IT IS 31 COUNTY ROAD 1 37.
OURS FROM THE BRIDGE TO COUNTY ROAD 1 38.
IT'S OUR, SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE BRIDGE NORTH TO 60 60 SOUTH.
HE FROM 1 38, WHICH IS THE COUNTY ROAD MASTER PLAN STOPS AT THE CURRENT 1 37 PROJECT, WHICH IS BETWEEN FARLEY MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THE BROOKLYN.
SO I JUST SAID FARLEY MIDDLE SCHOOL.
CAN WE LOOK AT THE MAP? AND IT WAS ALL THE WAY TO 1 38.
SO THE CURRENT PROJECT STOPS ROUGHLY UP IN HERE.
SO THAT'S WHY I SAID THE MIDDLE SCHOOL.
AND THEN THE MASTER PLAN SHOWS US FIXING 1 37 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 1 38.
1 38, WHICH IS WAY DOWN, DOWN THERE YOU GO.
AND FROM 1 38 UP TO THE BRIDGE, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BRIDGE IS ALL COUNTY ROAD.
SO HOW WOULD THAT BE ADDRESSED WITH THE, I MEAN WITH, I MEAN THE REALITY IS I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD, ONCE THE HIGHWAY IS COMPLETED HERE, EAST WHEEL CALL, HIGHWAY, UHHUH,
OR IF IT'S JUST GONNA BE FROM HERE NORTH THAT WE NEED THE NEED THAT YOU HAVE.
LIKE THE IMMEDIATE NEED IN MY OPINION IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF 1 37, WHERE WE'RE GONNA PUT THE, ARE WE DOING A ROUNDABOUT OR A SINGLE? IT'S THAT PROJECT.
IT'S THAT THING, LIKE THAT'S THE IMMEDIATE NEED, NOT THIS THING.
I'M JUST, I WOULD LEAVE IT THERE.
I I THINK LEAVING IT THERE, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE RIGHT BECAUSE WE'RE UNSURE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING SOUTH OF EAST WILCO HIGHWAY.
IF IF WE DON'T OWN IT, WE DON'T CONTROL IT.
WELLS, THERE'S THE BIG, LET'S HOLD OFF ON SPENDING MONEY ON IT.
BUT THAT'S ON THE NORTH CORNER.
THAT'S ON THE SOUTH CORNER TOO LITTLE BOTH, BUT NOT, NOT AS MUCH.
BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S ON BOTH SIDES.
AND YOU COULD PROBABLY GET THE DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTE.
YOU CAN GET THE DEVELOPER TO CONTRIBUTE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
UH, T 25 IS 1 32 FROM 1 32 TO 33 49.
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HUH? THAT, THAT IS NOT EVEN USED BY WHAT I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.SO I FORGOT THE COUNTY'S PLAN, THE MASTER PLAN, EVERYTHING, ALL THE PLANS SHOW THAT GOING TO BE A SIX LANE ROADWAY SHUT.
IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE CALLING SAMSUNG HIGHWAY? YES.
BECAUSE BOTH, THAT'S ALREADY IN SAMSUNG HIGHWAY'S ALREADY THERE.
NO, SAMSUNG, THE ONE THAT'S END IS GOING NORTH TO SOUTH.
SO 4 0 4 HAS BEEN EXTENDED AND CONNECTED ALL THE WAY OUT TO NINE FIVE.
AND I BELIEVE IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO 9 73.
THAT'S THE SAMSUNG HIGHWAY, BUT IT'S GONNA BE CALLED SAMSUNG FROM BUT ON.
SO WHAT THE PLAN SHOWS, AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, IT'S CALLED SAMSUNG HIGHWAY.
SO WHAT THE PLAN SHOWS IS ON THIS SIDE, RELOCATING 1 32 TO LINE UP WITH THE SAMSUNG HIGHWAY.
SO THEN IT COMES UP AND DOES AN SCUR, AND THEN IT COMES OVER HERE AND DOES AN S-CURVE AS WELL.
SO WHY MAKE THE DEVELOPERS YEAH.
THAT IS THE SOUTH BORDER OF THE MEGA SITE.
AND TECHNICALLY WE DON'T GO THAT FAR SOUTH.
OH, HUH? THE KRUGERS STILL OWN ALL THEIR FARM LINE DOWN BETWEEN THE MEGA SITE AND WHAT THEY'RE THE KRUEGER ESTATE.
THIS BECAUSE I, BECAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY, IF THAT'S BORDERING THE MEGA SITE, THEN WE'VE GOT TURS MONEY THAT WE COULD BE USING.
BUT IF IT'S NOT TOUCHING THE MEGA SITE, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'LL JUSTIFY IT RIGHT NOW.
WHERE'S AT? I I THINK WE LEAVE IT WHERE IT'S AT 20? YEAH, I THINK WE LEAVE IT WHERE IT'S AT.
'CAUSE WHERE, WHERE IS IT FOR WHAT, 2030 RIGHT NOW? WOULD YOU NOT PAYING ATTENTION? NO, I WAS LOOKING AT, I WAS LOOKING AT SOMETHING ELSE.
DO WE, DO WE NEED ANOTHER BREAK? I SEE.
T 26 SOUTHBOUND ONE 30 NORTHBOUND FRONTAGE ROAD FROM 79 TO ONE.
CAN YOU GO UP THE MAP? LET'S JUST GO THROUGH IT REAL QUICK.
IT'S EXTENDING THE FRONTAGE ROAD, THE ONES THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
OH, BUT IT'S SOUTHBOUND, RIGHT? UH, SO IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE.
IS THAT WHAT I SOUTHBOUND? NO, THIS IS THE SOUTH.
AND COUNCIL SAID TO GO AHEAD AND START NEGOTIATION WITH TDOT AND DESIGNING AND ALL THAT.
SO THAT TAKES IT FROM HERE TO HERE.
AND THAT TIES IN WITH THE DEALER THAT TIES, TIES IN WITH THE DEALERSHIP AND YEAH.
NOW THAT'S STARTING TO MAKE, THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
BUT WHAT, WHAT CAN I ASK? WHAT KIND OF PRICES ON THAT? I CAN'T MAKE IT OUT.
WELL, SO WE'VE, WE JUST SAID ROUGHLY BALLPARK, 500,000 TO START DESIGN NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT CONSTRUCTION IN 2030 AT ROUGHLY 8.6 MILLION.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I DON'T, I THINK THE SALES TAX POTENTIAL FROM THAT FRONTAGE ROAD IS JUST SO HUGE NOW.
POTENTIAL FROM THAT FRONTAGE ROAD TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
NOW, I AGREE THAT'S 18 YEARS AWAY, BUT LET'S LEAVE IT WORK THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT WHEN THE HIGHWAY.
THAT'S IN 2030 OR NOW, BUT STILL DO DESIGN THIS YEAR.
SO ANY DESIGN WE COME UP WITH 26 IS HOW, HOW MANY YEARS IS THAT AFFORDABLE FOR? I MEAN, IS IT GONNA BE OBSOLETE? WELL, THE LAND'S NEVER GONNA CHANGE.
I MEAN, I MEAN, WHAT IS THE DESIGN GONNA BE DOING? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE SCOPE OF THE DESIGN IN 2026? WELL, I MEAN, FIRST THING WE HAVE TO DO IS TALK TO TDO AND THE
TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE GONNA BE.
ONCE WE DO THAT, THEN WE WILL KNOW THE EXACT SCOPE OF THE DESIGN.
WHICH WILL INCLUDE, AT THE VERY LEAST, ALL OF THE LANES THAT WE NEED FOR THE FRONTAGE ROAD.
IT'S ALSO PRELIMINARY NEGOTIATIONS AS WELL AS THE INITIAL DESIGN.
LET'S LEAVE IT WHERE TIME? T 20.
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TALKED ABOUT THAT.YEAH, WE ALREADY COVERED THAT ONE.
WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT THE REALIGNMENT THAT WE WERE DOING.
CAN WE NOT DO THE REALIGNMENT WITH THE EXPANSION? IT'S AN EXTRA $33 MILLION.
SO THEY'RE GONNA PIECEMEAL THAT ONE.
COUNCIL IS BASICALLY SAYING, HEY, DO DO THIS TOKEN PROJECT AND THEN TRY TO GET SOMEBODY ELSE THAT THEY, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
THE ONE QUESTION I DO HAVE ON THE REALIGNMENT, CAN WE DO THE DESIGN ALONG WITH THE REALIGNMENT? NO MORE MONEY.
IS IT? SO WE ALREADY HAVE A CONCEPT THEN.
I, I, I'M NOT SURE HAZEL HAS SPOKEN.
WE ALREADY HAVE A SCHEMATIC DESIGN DONE.
WE JUST NEED, SO WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A DESIGN EXPENSE THEN.
UH, SO THIS ONE IS FROM THE END TO, HOW DO YOU SAY THAT WORD MAP, PLEASE.
SO CARL STERN ENDS HERE AND LET ME JUMP OVER HERE BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE BIT EASIER.
SO WHAT IS OH ONE? YEAH, WHAT WAS THAT ONE? IT WAS, OH, WAS THAT ONE OF THE, THE PRIMARY ROADS THROUGH? THAT'S CARL STERN.
UH, SO HERE OUTSIDE YOU, THAT'S CARL STERN IS LIKELY GONNA BE MOSTLY DEVELOPED.
SO ONE IS, DID I MISS IT? NO ONE IS RIGHT HERE.
AND ASHLEY, WAS THAT THE OPTION? YOU'RE SAYING OPTION A OR OPTION STROMBERG.
PROJECT ONE, WHICH IS THE ONE I WAS JUST SHOWING YOU.
STARTS HERE AND GOES ALL THE WAY OUT TO HERE.
PROJECT TWO IS FROM THE END OF CURRENT CARL STERN TO TIE INTO PROJECT ONE.
WHY, WHY IS ONE BEING DONE BEFORE TWO, ONE IS NOT BEING DONE BEFORE TWO.
I GUESS WHY IS TWO THAT WHY? NEVERMIND.
I'VE GOT THAT IN 2030, AND THEN HERE'S ONE.
BECAUSE THAT'S AS FAR OUT AS I COULD PUSH 'EM.
BUT YEAH, THAT WAS THE STROMBERG TRACK WHERE THEY WERE SAYING MAYBE WE'RE GONNA DO A DATA CENTER, MAYBE WE'RE GONNA APARTMENT, MAYBE WE'RE GONNA DO HOUSES.
SO PART OF ONE WILL BE BUILT FOR US.
SO I'M SAYING, AND AGAIN, THIS IS MY THOUGHT YOU GUYS HAVE THE PREROGATIVE TO TELL ME I'M WRONG, IS FOCUS ON ED SCHMIDT, CARL STERN, AND LEER WITHIN THE CITY WITHOUT ME.
I DON'T ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE TRAFFIC ON TODAY.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY I HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE.
I'M GOOD WITH IT AT 30 WITH THAT, MOVING ON.
T 30 IS THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT OF FM 1660 SOUTH AND CARL STERN.
UM, I DID PULL THAT ONE IN A YEAR TO FY 29, JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SOMETHING, WHAT ARE WE ENVISIONING FOR THAT? WHERE, WHERE'S THAT? 1660 SOUTH AND CARL STERN.
WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO THERE? WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AT SOME POINT.
WHAT DO YOU, WHAT'S NOT GONNA BE BIG ENOUGH FOR ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA BE COMING THROUGH.
WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT? CAN YOU, CAN YOU EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON THAT? I MEAN, AT THE VERY LEAST, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO HAVE AN EXTRA LANE TO DO MM-HMM.
UM, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA NEED A RIGHT TURN LANE NORTHBOUND PROBABLY A RIGHT TURN LANE SOUTH SOUTHBOUND AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WIDEN THIS INTERSECTION.
THERE'S TOO MUCH TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THERE.
BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU WERE, WHAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT DOING.
AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A $10 MILLION PRICE TAKE ON THAT.
I MEAN, ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S ALREADY THERE, THERE WE'RE JUST GONNA WIDEN THE ROAD.
WHEN YOU'RE SAYING WIDEN 1660 NORTH THERE, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? ADDING TWO MORE LANES OR ANOTHER LANE? WE WOULD, WE WOULD NEED TO DO TRAFFIC COUNTS TO GET A GOOD FIELD.
BUT I MEAN, AT THE VERY LEAST, I'M THINKING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A SOUTHBOUND RIGHT? A SOUTHBOUND THROUGH A SOUTHBOUND LEFT,
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A NORTHBOUND LEFT AND NORTHBOUND THROUGH AND NORTHBOUND.YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE AN EASTBOUND RIGHT.
AND EASTBOUND THROUGH AND AN EASTBOUND LEFT.
I MEAN, I'M THINKING, SO THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA, YOU HAVE FIVE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE LIMMER LOOP IN SIX IN 1616 NORTH.
BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I WAS GOING IS HOW MUCH WAS THE PRICE TAG FOR LIMBER? A LOT? UH, 1660 AT LI? YEAH.
IT WAS A LITTLE OVER 8 MILLION.
IF WE DO IT IN 29, WELL, IT'S 10 MILLION FOR THE MASTER PLAN.
I HAVE NOT INFLATED THAT ONE YET.
I JUST PROPERTY REASON I SAID THAT.
NO, I, I'M VERY UPSET WITH OUR HOA SO
IF WE DO DESIGN, IF WE SET DESIGN AT 28, DO IT IN 30.
SO HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT GONNA TAKE 36 MONTHS TO DESIGN.
SO MAYBE WE CAN GET TO CONSTRUCTION IN 28.
YOU'RE GONNA DESIGN IT IN 28 AND START IT IN 28.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA, I MEAN, THEY HAVE IT IN THEIR LONG RANGE PLAN, SO THAT'S LIKE 20.
IT'S NOT A HIGH PRIORITY FOR, I WOULD SAY IT 28 AND, AND START IN 29.
I, I WOULD AND, AND THE ONLY REASON I WAS SAYING LET'S GET IT DONE EARLIER IS BECAUSE IF, IF STROMBERG GETS THEIR STUFF TOGETHER.
WELL, I, I UNDERSTAND THEN THAT IS THE MAIN EAST, WEST.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE 1 32 FIXED.
WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO 79 FIXED.
WELL, IT WOULD BE THE MAIN, BECAUSE LET ME GO BACK TO THE MAP.
SO YOU CAN SEE, BUT THIS IS STROMBERG HERE, THIS LIGHT RIGHT.
THEY'RE ONLY BUILDING TO HERE.
THEY WON'T GET TO HERE, BUT 'CAUSE THERE WON'T BE A CONNECTION, THEY'LL HAVE TO GO UP HERE AND GO THIS WAY TO GET TO THERE.
OR THEY'LL HAVE TO COME DOWN HERE AND GO THIS WAY TO GET TO
THEY WON'T NEED IT UNTIL OH TWO AND 12, OR EXCUSE ME.
12 AND OH TWO AND OH ONE COMPLETED.
WELL, ONCE TWO AND ONE ARE COMPLETED, THEN YOU NEED THEN HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THIS IS GONNA BE THE FASTEST PATH FOR ALL THESE STRONG BOARD PEOPLE TO GET.
AND HUDSON PROJECT 1 34 THAT GOES IN TOMORROW IN BETWEEN STROMBERG AND ONE 30, AND I'M, I'M JUST SAYING WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING FALL IN OUR LAP TOMORROW, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONNECT INTO THAT.
AND NOW WE'RE PLAYING CATCH UP TRYING TO DESIGN AND BUILD THIS INTERSECTION THAT'S JUST AN INTERSECTION.
IF WE OVER, IF WE OVER-ENGINEER THE INTERSECTION AND IT'S NOT ACTUALLY UTILIZED, BELIEVE IT AS IT IS, BUT NOW YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE GONNA BE, THEY'RE GONNA NEED US TO DO THE CARL STERN EXPANSION IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE DO THE INTERSECTION EARLY, IT'S NO BIG LOSS BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE IS GOING TO BE DOING THAT INTERSECTION.
BUT THEY, WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? 1660 NORTH AND CORAL STERN, SOUTH.
BECAUSE IF, IF WE GET DEVELOPERS THAT COME IN OVER THE NEXT MONTH AND WANT TO FILL IN EVERYTHING BETWEEN STROMBURG AND, UH, WHERE YOU LIVE.
UH, SORRY, WHAT IS, I LIVE IN CROSS CREEK, WHICH IS CROSS CREEK COTTON BROOK COTTON, WHICH IS NEXT DOOR.
SO IF WE GET DEVELOPERS THAT COME IN THIS MONTH, NEXT MONTH, WHATEVER, AND WANT TO FILL IN THEIR, THEY'RE GOING TO BE TASKED WITH PROBABLY BUILDING CARL STERN, HOPEFULLY.
AND IF THEY GET TO WORK ON THAT, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT BECOMES THE MAJOR EAST, WEST, SOUTH OF 79.
THERE'S NO EASY ACCESS TO 79 FROM ANYWHERE DOWN THERE.
YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL MAP, NOT THIS THING.
CAN YOU KEEP GOING EAST ON CARL STERN? MM-HMM
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OKAY.SO WHERE THEIR DEVELOPMENT IS IS DOWN HERE.
WHERE YOU'RE STANDING OVER HERE? YES.
CAN YOU ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT FOR ME? KEEP GOING.
SO WHERE'S, SO SEE, THE 1 34 IS RIGHT HERE? YEP.
UP, UP, UP HERE, THERE, HERE, UP HERE.
YOU DIDN'T BRING YOUR LASER POINTER? I DID NOT BRING A LASER POINTER.
THEN WE'VE GOT THIS GAP OF FARMLAND RIGHT NOW.
SO WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO, IF THEY DON'T HAVE CARL STERN HERE MM-HMM
THEY'LL GO 1 34 UP TO 1 32 AND GO UP TO 79, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT EVERYBODY'S DOING RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S NOT WHAT EVERYBODY'S DOING RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE ON THIS ROAD RIGHT NOW, IT'S COMPLETE GARBAGE TRASH AND IT MESSES YOUR CAR UP.
SO THE ONLY ONES WHO GO ON THIS ROAD RIGHT NOW ARE THE PEOPLE ON THE MEGA SITE.
AND 1 32 ISN'T GETTING DONE ANYTIME SOON BECAUSE THE PROJECT, THE OVERPASS PROJECT IS DELAYS.
SO THEY'RE GOING NEED TO DO THAT ROAD.
THEY'RE GONNA GO HERE, THEY'RE GONNA GO, THIS IS 1 32, THEY'RE GONNA CUT OVER TO 1 99 MM-HMM
AND THEN GO OVER HERE TO THIS SEMESTER HERE AT 1660 MM-HMM
AND ALL I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT IF WE IMPROVE THIS INTERSECTION MM-HMM
AND WE HAVE DEVELOPERS BUILDING THIS NOW, THAT'S THE PIECE WE NEED TO COMPLETE.
BUT THAT'S A BIG IF BECAUSE WHAT IF A DEVELOPER COMES THERE, THEY'LL HAVE TO DO THE ROAD EXTENSION TO CONNECT, NOT, NOT NECESSARILY THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FEES.
THAT'S WHY IT'S ON THE CIP LIST.
WE CAN'T GO, WE CAN'T GO OVER 50.
WELL, WHY, WHY SHOULD WE CONCERN OURSELVES WITH FIXING SOMETHING OR EXTENDING A ROAD THERE? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT EXTENDING THE ROAD.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE INTERSECTION.
OH, IF THIS GETS BUILT, IT'S GOING TO PUT A MASSIVE LOAD ON THIS INTERSECTION.
THE INTERSECTION IN MAO THAN, OR SOONER OR SOONER.
THEN WHENEVER THIS COMES IN, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO CRAP.
IT'S, AND ALL THOSE PEOPLE WILL THANK US VERY MUCH.
DO YOU KNOW ANY LOCAL HOMEOWNERS AROUND THIS? THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
IF WE CLEAR UP THE RACK AT 1660 SOUTH BEFORE ANY OF THAT DEVELOPMENT GOES IN, THEN IT NEVER BECOMES A PROBLEM.
SO PUT IT, PUT PUT THE TIMELINE BACK UP PLEASE.
SO WHAT TIMEFRAME ARE YOU THINKING MOVING THAT TO? NO, I'M, I'M THINKING 28 IS GOOD.
THAT'S PROBABLY TWO YEARS IN ADVANCE OF ANY, WHAT DO YOU THINK, MATT? BIG LOAD.
GIVE YOU TIME TO PIVOT IF YOU NEED TO.
SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT 28? UH, OH, OBSTRUCT, OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT 28 TO UH, PLAN? UH, I'M SAYING STARTED IN 28, WHICH MEANS YOU START DESIGN IN 28.
AND THEN SINCE IT'S, IT IS FIXING AN EXISTING SIGNAL, YOU COULD PROBABLY BE IN CONSTRUCTION IN 28 AS WELL.
ONLY CAVEAT THERE THAT I'LL THROW OUT IS 1660 IS TDOT.
AND SO YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEIR PROCESS.
IT'LL TAKE THEM A WHILE TO YEAH.
THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY RIGHT.
THAT, THAT WAS MY ONLY ISSUE WITH THAT.
LET'S CLEAR UP THE BOTTLENECK BEFORE IT BECOMES AN ISSUE.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT BUSINESS.
DO 16, 16 NORTH, ALL OF IT ONE TIME INSTEAD, THREE PIECES.
I'LL AGREE WITH YOU ON MOVING ON.
T 31 IS MEGASITE NORTH, SOUTH MATT'S GONNA NEED THE FUTURE OR THE MASTER MOBILITY.
IT'S GOTTA BE 55, ONLY 8 MILLION.
I LIKE HOW YOU SAID IT LIKE THAT
I DEAL WITH BIG NUMBERS ALL THE TIME.
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TOUCHING THE MEGA SITE, RIGHT? YES.AND THEN THIS ONE I HAVE TO CHANGE BECAUSE WE CHANGED THE OTHER ONE.
I NEED TO, THAT ROLLS INTO THE OTHER ONE.
EMORY CROSSING BOULEVARD EXTENSION.
UH, I'VE GOT THAT ONE OUT IN 2030 BECAUSE I'M THINKING EMORY CROSSING CAN JUST DO IT.
WHERE'S THE MATH? THAT'S EXPANSION.
YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE SOUTH OF THE NINTH GRADE CENTER, BUT NORTH OF LIMMER.
SO IS THAT RIGHT WHERE IT IS ON THE MASTER PLAN? YEAH.
THAT'S THE ROAD I CENTER TO GO CROSS.
I COULDN'T THINK OF THE NAME OF THE ROAD.
NOW THEY'RE, IT'S A HUGE SUBDIVISION.
OH, AND YOU SAID THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING PUT IT OUT IN 2030.
'CAUSE IT, IT IS SHOWN ON THE MASTER PLAN UHHUH, AND IT'S GOT AN AMOUNT WITH IT AND IT WOULD BE DEBT FUNDED, BUT IF WE CAN JUST KEEP IT OUT THERE AND LET THE DEVELOPER BUILD IT IN THE MIDDLE.
NOW THAT THE INTERSECTION WILL HAVE TO PROBABLY CONTRIBUTE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE, THE ROAD LET, THAT'S THEIR ROAD.
AND THEN YOU HAVE MAIN HIPPO EXTENSION, WHICH I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU.
WE'VE GOT LIDELL WALKER DOING FOR US.
I'VE JUST PUT THAT ONE OUT IN 2030.
ONCE THEY, THEY GET IT DONE, IT'LL COME OFF THE LIST ALTOGETHER.
UH, T 37 IS LIR LOOP FROM 1660 NORTH TO 1 32.
SO I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU WE'RE DOING SIX.
WE'RE WORKING ON DESIGN FOR LIR LOOP FROM INNOVATION TO EDGE, SCHMIDT AND EDGEMAN TO 1660.
SO IN THE MASTER PLAN, IT SHOWS US ALSO GOING RIGHT PAST MY HOUSE FROM 1660 NORTH MM-HMM
WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PLANS FOR ON THE SAME ROAD WE MOVE OUT THERE? SO ALL OF THIS IS WIDENING LIMB OR LOOP, BUT ALSO THE PLAN FOR THE MASTER PLAN IS TO PUT AN INTERSECTION HERE AND BE ABLE TO CONNECT LIMB OR LOOP BASICALLY TO 1 0 1.
SO, SO IS THERE NO NEED TO IMPROVE FROM 79? MM-HMM
LAMAR LOOP BELOW PIECE RIGHT THERE.
YEAH, THAT'S A DIFFERENT PROJECT.
SO THIS PROJECT 47 GOES FROM 1660 TO 1 32.
WOULD IT, ONCE AGAIN, WOULD IT BE BETTER TO JUST DO THE HOME PROJECT AT WHAT TIME? THE WHOLE ROAD AT ONE TIME? OR SHOULD WE BREAK IT UP? I THINK THE THOUGHT IS THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE DEVELOPMENT HERE THAN WE DO HERE.
AND SO THE PRESSURE IS GONNA BE HERE.
AND SO, AND SAME LOGIC THAT WE'VE USED TO GO FROM HERE TO HERE OKAY.
IS THAT IT'S A CONVENIENT SPOT TO STOP IT AT THESE INTRODUCTIONS.
I WAS JUST THINKING THE COST, COST WISE AND, AND IF YOU'RE DOING IT ALL AT ONE TIME IN ONE YEAR, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE CHEAPER TO DO IT.
WELL, THE THAN IF YOU WAIT A YEAR, YEAR OR TWO YEARS TO DO THE OTHER PART.
BUT, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ALSO.
SO WITH LIMBER LOOP CROSSING 1 32, IF 1 32 IS IN SOME SORT OF CONSTRUCTION OR WHATEVER WITH THE COUNTY BECAUSE OF THE, THE PLANS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT ON 1 32 AND 1 33, THEN ENDING IT THERE IF THEY'RE TEARING UP 1 32 MAKES SENSE.
AND THEN CONTINUING IT ON THE OTHER SIDE ONCE THEY DO SIX LANES OR WHATEVER, THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO I'VE GOT THAT ONE STUCK OUT IN 2030 AS WELL.
ALTHOUGH I'LL, I'LL BE OLDER AND CRANKIER THEN, SO YOU MAY NOT WANT THAT.
YOU WONDER IT'S STILL GOING PAST MY BACKYARD,
AND THEN NOW WE'RE, WE'RE TO 1660 NORTH FROM ER TO CR 100.
SO THIS IS THE ONE WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO JUMP AHEAD OF OURSELVES.
AND THEN THIS IS THE SECTION YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT 46.
'CAUSE THAT'S AS FAR OUT AS I CAN GO.
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS 1660 FROM FRONT TO CARL STAR.
SO THIS IS 1660 SOUTH WIDENING FROM FRONT DOWN TO CARL STAR.
THAT'S SO NEEDED, BUT I GOT YOU THE NEXT TEXT DOT.
THAT'S SO, BUT ALL OF THE 1660 PROJECTS ARE TEXT.
THEY'RE STILL SHOWING OUR MASTER PLAN.
WHERE DOES THIS, WHERE DO WE HAVE IT NOW? 20, 30? NO, YOU DON'T.
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YOU DON'T.I THINK IT SHOULD BE MOVED UP.
BUT WHERE DOES THAT LAND? I THOUGHT YOU SAID NO.
DO IT'S LIKE, I THINK IT SHOULD BE NO, DO 1 99 AND 60 60 SOUTH.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT IT IN 26, BUT IN REALITY, IT, IT PROBABLY IS NOT GONNA BE DONE UNTIL LIKE 27 I THINK.
WHICH IS WHY IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE 1 99 PUSHED OUT LIKE WE DO.
AND THEN THE SIGNAL AT CARL STERN IS 28.
THE SIGNAL AT CARL STERN IS 28.
AND SO THEN ONCE YOU GET BOTH OF THOSE DONE, YOU SHOULD DO THE WIDENING IN 28.
I I THINK THAT WIDENING SHOULD GO IN 28.
THE WIDE, I THINK WIDENING SHOULD GO IN 28.
THE ACTUAL WIDENING, THAT'S WHAT YOU DO THAT YEAR.
THAT, THAT'S WHEN YOU DO THE DESIGN.
DO THE PLANNING TODAY,
WHY HAVE YOU BEEN DOING, UH, YOU KNOW, I JUST CHILL ALL DAY LONG.
I'M SURE YOU TWI JUST WAITING.
SO WHICH ROAD IS IT TODAY? 20 MM-HMM
AND THEN I, I WOULD ACTUALLY PUT DESIGN IN 27.
DO DESIGN IN 27, BECAUSE YOU'RE WRAPPING UP A CONSTRUCTION AT THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
AND YOU'LL BE DOING 1 99 AT A DIFFERENT TIME.
AND YOU'RE TYING THAT NEXT FEW.
YOU'RE TY THE EXPANSION OF THE INTERSECTION IN WITH THE, WITH THE SAME, UH YEP.
I HATE WHERE I LIVE FOR ALL OF THIS STUFF, BUT WE GONE, SO WE PUSHED THAT TO 28.
I'VE ADDED A NOTE TO SAY START DESIGN AT 27, UH, T 42 16 16 NORTH FROM CR 100 TO CR 1 33.
LET THE COUNTY FIGURE THAT ONE OUT.
UH, T 43 IS ED SCHMIDT FROM ER LOOP TO CHANDLER ROAD.
THAT'S YEAH, THAT ONE THAT'S STILL IN GOOD SHAPE NOW.
AND YOU KNOW, MILLION PRICE TAG ON THAT BAD WAY.
AND IF DEVELOPERS WANT TO COME IN, THEN THEY CAN THROW SOME MONEY AT IT.
UH, P 44, 16 60 NORTH FROM 1 33 TO CHANDLER.
1660 SOUTH FROM CARL STERN TO 1 37.
UH, CAN CAN WE BACK UP ONE SECOND.
CHANDLER AND 1660 NORTH PRETTY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.
IS THAT ON TDOT COUNTY'S WORKING ON IT.
WHAT'S, WHAT DO YOU HAVE ON THAT? WIDENING IT, UH, IT'S WIDENING.
ALL OF THESE 1660 PROJECTS ARE WIDENING WHAT, WHAT YEARS? 2030.
I'M GOING TO THROW OUT A WRENCH.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE MOVED UP ALSO.
I, I MEAN, SO THIS IS MY THOUGHT, RIGHT? WE'RE TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY OFF OF 79 AND GET THEM ONTO EASTVILLE COLE HIGHWAY.
WELL, HOW DO YOU GET TO EASTVILLE COLE HIGHWAY? YOU GO 1 37.
AND HOW DO YOU GET THERE FROM CARL
SO YOU WANT US TO GET OFF OF 79? WHAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE'RE, WE'RE DOING A ROUNDABOUT AT COUNTY ROAD 1 37.
AND 1660, WE'RE DOING THE INTERSECTION AT CARL STERNS IN 1660.
WE'RE WIDENING 1660 FROM CARL STERNS TO FRONT STREET.
WE'VE GOT THAT LITTLE PIECE LEFT THAT NEEDS TO BE MA MATCH UP WITH THIS WIDENING UP HERE.
AND MY ONLY QUESTION ABOUT IT WAS WHEN WAS THE ROUNDABOUT SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETED? YESTERDAY? A GOOD QUESTION, MATT.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN COMPLETED ALREADY.
UH, WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THAT? WE'RE WAITING ON TEXT TALK.
UH, SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE PLANNING ON, I THINK I REMEMBER SAYING WE WERE GONNA PLAN ON STARTING CONSTRUCTION REALLY LATE THIS YEAR OR EARLY NEXT YEAR, WHICH EITHER WAY IS AN FY 26 AND ON THE ROUNDABOUT.
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YEAH.AND SO WE WON'T BE DONE UNTIL SOMETIME IN 27 AT THE EARLIEST.
SO QUESTION FOR YOU, SHOULD YOU HAVE THE ROAD WIDENED BEFORE? LIKE, SHOULD THAT BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE WIDENED ROAD AND HOW YOU CREATE YOUR ROUNDABOUT? I'M JUST, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE YOUR ROUNDABOUT AND THEN YOU'RE WHINING YOUR ROAD, IT SEEMS, IT FEELS A LITTLE BACKWARDS.
I WELL, THEY CAN PLAN FOR THE WIDENING OF THE ROAD, RIGHT? AND WHEN THEY BUILD A ROUNDABOUT, THEY CAN, THEY CAN.
AND IT IS SIMPLY RES STRIPING THE ROUNDABOUT AT THAT POINT.
I JUST THINK THAT WHOEVER'S GONNA PUT THAT ROUNDABOUT IN NEEDS TO BE VERY AWARE OF THE, THE DESIGN OF THE WAGON.
THEY WILL, I'M SURE THEY WILL.
SO I'M MAKING THE ASSUMPTIONS.
BUT THE ROUNDABOUT, YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE FOUR TABS ARE GONNA BE, OR THE THREE, THEY'LL, THEY'LL KNOW WHERE THEY ARE STILL.
BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT IF YOU'RE WIDENING 1660 SOUTH.
RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA BE THREE LANES.
WHAT ARE WE TALKING? WE DON'T EVEN KNOW.
WELL, IT HAS TO INTERFACE WITH THE, THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE ROUNDABOUT, THE THREE TABS.
FOLKS, HERE, HERE'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST.
I'LL TELL YOU THAT THE EAST AND WESTLAKE COMING INTO THE ROUNDABOUT EACH HAVE TWO, TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION.
SO THERE'S TWO WESTBOUND LANES COMING INTO THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROUNDABOUT.
THERE'S TWO EASTBOUND LANES LEAVING THE EAST SIDE, THE ROUNDABOUT.
SO THERE'S FOUR LANES COMING IN AND OUT OF THE ROUNDABOUT ON EACH EAST, WEST SIDE.
BUT RIGHT NOW, 1660, ONLY TWO LANES, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO YOU'RE WE'RE WE'RE WIDENING IT.
BUT JU JUST LIKE, BUT YOU'RE NOT WIDENING IT ALL THE WAY.
THAT'S WHY IT NEEDS TO BE, BE WIDENED, BECAUSE THAT, RIGHT.
SO WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SUGGEST IS MOVING THE WIDENING FROM CARL STERN TO 1 37, PUT DESIGN IN 27, UH, I'M SORRY, 26 AND CONSTRUCTION IN 27.
HERE'S HOW IT WOULD FLOW THEN ROUNDABOUT EXTENSION, SIGNAL AND EXTENSION AND YEAH.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA.
I, I, I
SO THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC OF WHY YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT, BUT FROM A TRAFFIC IMPACT NEED PERSPECTIVE, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, TONY, BUT I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A GREATER NEED TO WIDEN.
ARE YOU SAYING DUKE 1660 WIDENING AT CARL STERN TO 1 37? YES.
PRIOR, PRIOR, LET ME FINISH MY QUESTION.
PRIOR TO DOING 1660 SOUTH TO 79.
AND I'M SAYING I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A GREATER NEED TO DO THE 1660 SOUTH AT CARL STERN NORTH.
THERE'S MORE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS THERE, THERE THAN THERE IS SOUTH.
AND I'M GOING TO KIND OF DISAGREE WITH, I THINK THE TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE ABOUT THE SAME ON EACH SIDE OF 16, ALL, ALL THE WAY FROM 1660, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT GOES TO FARLEY THAT THERE IS IS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT RIGHT NOW THE TRAFFIC BASICALLY GOES FROM FRONT STREET TO ALMOST CARL STEARNS BUMPER TO BUMPER IN THE MORNING.
NOW, NOW, NOW HERE, HERE'S THE REASON I WAS SUGGESTING THAT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE TIMING OF THE RAILROAD CONSTRUCTION, WE'VE GOT THE TIMING OF THE CARL STERN LIGHT CONSTRUCTION.
WE'VE GOT THE TIMING OF THE WIDENING IN BETWEEN THE NO, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT THIS WIDENED IN 30 AND IT, IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO PAY FOR IT, I AGREE WITH YOU.
WELL, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, TO FIND A WAY TO PAY FOR ALL OF THIS.
AND, AND, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO, AND THAT, THAT KIND OF GOES WITH THE, THE BOTTLENECK THEORY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHY BUILD A BOTTLENECK? YEAH.
I DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE DOING THE ROUNDABOUT.
WE WERE BEEN ALREADY WIDE IN PART OF THE ROAD TO ACCOMMODATE THE ROUNDABOUT.
SO THAT ANSWERS THAT CONCERN THAT I HAD ABOUT, SO PRIORITY, I THINK IT SHOULD BE MOVED, DESIGNED 27, CONSTRUCTION 20.
I THINK THE WHOLE THING SHOULD BE DONE ALL TIME.
I'M ALL, I'M, I'M SORRY I SAID THAT WRONG.
I, I'LL, I'LL AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
WITH, WITH THE ROUNDABOUT GOING IN IN 27, CARL STERN, 1 37 IS CONSTRUCTION 27.
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UP WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROUNDABOUT.SO THAT'S AL ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE ROUNDABOUT OR PRIOR TO, YEAH, EITHER WAY, EITHER WAY.
SIX, ONE HALF DOZEN THE OTHER.
BUT THEN THAT QUESTION COMING OUT, TRAFFIC UP TO CARL STERN, WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO 1660 TO THE EAST OF THE ROUNDABOUT? THERE'S PROJECT FOR THAT
LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND DO THAT ONE TOO WHILE WE'RE AT IT.
ARE, ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT 27? I I DON'T AGREE.
I I, I HAVE A SIMILAR CONCERNS AS, UH, COMMISSIONER STEWART THAT, UM, THE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC CARS WISE COMING FROM 79 SOUTH TO CARL STERN, AND THEN FROM CARL STERN TO 1 37, THERE'S MORE INTERSECTION POINTS.
SO THE TRAFFIC RESISTANCE IS MUCH GREATER.
AND IT'S JUST, YOU HAVE ALL THOSE, YOU HAVE THE, THE FRONT STREETS, YOU HAVE, UH, UM, THE, THE, THE, ALL THE LITTLE STREETS.
UM, SO THERE'S, BUT, BUT GOING FROM CARL STERN SOUTH, THERE'S FEWER OF THEM.
SO EACH ONE OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS OFFERS A LITTLE BIT OF RESISTANCE TO TRAFFIC.
SO EFFECTIVELY THE TRAFFIC RATE GOES UP, EVEN THOUGH THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CARS ARE SENT THE SAME, BUT THE THROUGHPUT OF VEHICLES IS GREATER, OR EXCUSE ME, IS LESS THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO, SO, OKAY.
BUT YOU'VE GOTTA REMEMBER WHAT'S GONNA BE BUILT OUT OFF OF 1660 SOUTH.
THERE'S SUBDIVISIONS GOING IN THERE LEFT AND RIGHT.
THERE'S A SUB BIG SUBDIVISION GOING IN AT 1 37, 16 60 SOUTH IN THAT FIELD RIGHT THERE.
THAT, THAT AND THAT BIG SUBDIVISION GOING IN THERE.
AND WHEN IS THAT PEAK TRAFFIC GONNA COME ONLINE? 27 OR 28 OR, I HAVE NO IDEA.
BUT SUPPOSEDLY THAT ROUNDABOUT IS GONNA BE THE SAME GRACE TO THE TRAFFIC ISSUE AT 1 37.
SUPPOSED, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
SUPPOSEDLY WHAT TIME, TIME WILL TELL.
I, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S, WE JUST TURNED DOWN TWO IONS OUT THERE BECAUSE OF THE PLAQUE IS THAT'S NOT OVER 900 HOMES.
AND MY, MY ISSUE WITH THE ROUNDABOUT IS, OKAY, WE'VE GOT THIS GREAT ROUNDABOUT, WE'VE GOT TWO LANES COMING OFF OF IT IN EACH DIRECTION, AND YOU IMMEDIATELY DROP INTO A BOTTLENECK.
ALL I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT I, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER.
SOMEHOW THERE'S GOTTA BE A PLAN.
WELL, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT THE TIMING FOR, FOR, UH, 70 ORDER SECTION 79.
WE'VE GOT THE TIMING, SO IT DOESN'T CONFLICT.
NOW WE HAVE TO DECONFLICT THE TIMING FOR THE SOUTH SIDE AND THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE ROUNDABOUT.
SO THE ROUNDABOUTS GOING IN, AND THEN THE SOUTHERN SECTION OF 1660 SOUTH, AND THEN THE, THEN FROM 60 60 SOUTH ALL THE WAY TO 79.
THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS FROM ROUNDABOUT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S THE WAY IT'LL TIME OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL LATE 27 RIGHT.
FOR THE RAILROAD ONE TO FINISH.
SO THOSE, THE BOUNDARY CONDITIONS, SO WE GOT THOSE, THE RAILROAD TWO INTERSECTIONS AT FRONT TO 79.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE ROUNDABOUT AND THEN JUST FILL THOSE IN.
AND THAT'S ALL I THE TIMING OF HOW DO WE FILL THAT OUT? WE CAN FILL IT OUT SOUTH OR YOU SAY WITH THE BOTTLENECK ISSUE.
SO MATT, WHAT'S THE ANSWER?
AM I SUPPOSED TO MOVE IT? YES.
IN 27 OR WE DOING IT? WELL, THE WAY YOU HAVE IT, RIGHT? 27.
AND WE CAN PUSH IT IF WE HAVE TO.
BUT YES, I, I, YOU, UH, CHERYL, WHAT WAS IT LIKE SIX MONTHS AGO? YOU SAID DRIVE THE NEIGHBORHOODS? I DO DRIVE THE NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT I DROVE THAT ONE AGAIN.
AND I'M LIKE, YEAH, THIS IS GONNA REQUIRE SOME, SOME COORDINATION BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA CREATE A MESS HERE AND IT'S JUST GONNA CREATE A BOTTLENECK HERE.
SO IF WE CAN KIND OF SORT OUT THE TIMING THEN WHEN WE, THEN WE GO TO COUNCIL, I THINK THEY'RE LIKE, OH, YEAH.
THIS IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE EDGE SCHMIDT IMPROVEMENTS.
I SAID THAT THE EDGE SCHMIDT AT LIVE OAK WAS NOT INCLUDED.
I THINK THAT'S SOLID BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
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EAST WILCO HIGHWAY.SO THIS IS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS FURTHER EAST OF THE ROUNDABOUT.
QUESTION, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE BRIDGE? THIS IS JUST THE NUMBER FROM THE, THE MASTER PLAN.
SO WHATEVER THEY INCLUDED IS WHAT I'VE GOT INCLUDED.
IT'S A FAIRLY SHORT STRETCH OF ROAD.
CAN YOU BUILD, CAN YOU BUILD A BRIDGE FOR THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
THAT SOUNDS CHEAP TO ME, BUT I DON'T MIND, I DON'T BUILD BRIDGES.
SO I THINK, I THINK 30 IS GOOD.
SO THAT'S 11.2 MILLION IN 2030.
YOU KNOW WHAT, JUST JUST MOVE THAT.
TONY, YOU'RE PRACTICALLY TOUCHING MY FEET.
THIS IS THE MAIN HIPPO THAT WE ABOUT.
THIS IS THE MAIN HIPPO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I DID NOT REALIZE WE WERE DOING THAT.
WHERE IT IS, WHAT IS THAT AGAIN? I'M SORRY.
100 WEST OF NINTH GRADE CENTER.
WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? 'CAUSE IT'S IN OUR MASTER PLAN.
BUT WHY IS IT, LIKE, WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE IT? IT'S 2030.
BUT WHAT IS IT? WHY, WHY IS IT HERE
THAT'S THE ONE NORTHERN, YEAH.
THAT'S WHERE, HOW MARK IS TALKING.
IS THAT WHERE, UM, WHERE'S THE WATER TOWER? UH, RIGHT AT THE BACK, THE GREEN, THE CURVE.
THERE'S ONE OVER HERE, LIKE RIGHT HERE.
THERE'S ONE OVER HERE, SO IT DEPENDS ON WHICH ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE GROUND, THE GROUND STORAGE TANK ARE, ARE THEY GONNA TAKE OUT THAT OTHER LITTLE PART OF THAT OFF OF THE COUNTY ROAD? 16TH SIX THERE? YES.
NO, THE OTHER ONE ONLY GOES BEHIND.
YOU CAN GO AROUND THE, THE WATER TOWERS HERE.
YOU CAN GO THIS WAY ON 1660, OR YOU CAN TAKE A LITTLE CUT RIGHT HERE.
WE'RE ELIMINATING THE, THE CURVE TO GO STRAIGHT.
AND IT'LL BE A T IT'LL BE ACROSS.
OH, THEN YOU'LL CHECK OUT THAT.
IS IT DEVELOPING AND WHY WAS, WHY WAS THAT GOING TO GO IN THERE? THE OTHER ROAD BELOW IT? THIS HIPPO, MAIN HIPPO? YEAH.
UH, IT'S THE MASTER PLAN AND IT'S TO GET CONNECTIVITY ACROSS THIS DEVELOPMENT TO ALL THE WAY BACK TO ONE 30 AND THEN THE 19TH 1, 9 30.
T 51 IS LIMMER LOOP FROM COVERT TO 1 0 1.
SO THIS IS THE ONE I WAS TELLING YOU ABOUT, WHERE THE MASTER PLAN SHOWS IT GOING TO TIGHT OFF TO THE NORTHEAST.
UM, MEGASITE, NORTH, SOUTH EXTENSION FROM 1 32 TO EAST WILCO HIGHWAY.
SO THAT GOES FROM 1 32 AT 79 OR WHERE DOES IT START? 1 32.
FROM WHERE TO WHAT, 1 32 DOWN? YEP.
IT'S THE EXTENSION OF THIS MEGASITE NORTH, SOUTH ROAD.
AND JUST EXTENDS IT ALL GOING STRAIGHT DOWN.
UH, THE NEXT ONE IS SCHNEIDER BOULEVARD FROM INNOVATION SH ONE 30.
SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HAVING, UH, RIGHT.
PENSKE BUILD PENSKE OR TOYOTA OR WHOEVER THEY ARE, BUILD PART OF MM-HMM
UH, I'VE GOT THAT OUT AT 2030 RIGHT NOW.
QUESTION MARK MORE, TRY TO PUSH IT ONTO THE DEVELOPER.
UH, MEGASITE EAST, WEST FROM THE END TO 1 32.
UH, CARL STERN IT, UM, ON THE ONES THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SHOWING IT TO DEAD.
JUST IN GENERAL, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN MAYBE ANOINT IT, ANOINT IT,
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DEVELOPMENT.I I I THINK HAVING IT AS DEBT IS A SOLID DEFAULT AND THEN IT'S UP TO ALL THE OTHER ENTITIES RIGHT.
TO COME UP WITH ALTERNATIVE FUNDING.
CARL STERN, WHERE IT'S, IT'S THE NEW VERSION, NEW SECTION OF CARL STERN.
UH, AND THEN YOU HAVE CR ONE 18 FROM SH ONE 30 TO EDGE SCHMIDT.
RUN ONE 18 TO WHERE? ONE 18 FROM SH ONE 30 TO EDGE SCHMIDT, THERE'S NOT MUCH OUT THERE.
THERE'S A BURNED DOWN HOUSE OVER THERE.
THAT'S MY WIFE'S AUNT AND UNCLE'S HOUSE.
OH, WHY DIFFERENT, MANY, MANY YEARS.
UH, NEXT ONE IS CR 100 FROM EDGE SCHMIDT TO 1660 NORTH.
UH, 1660 NORTH FROM CHANDLER TO THE ETJ LIMIT.
UH, 1660 SOUTH FROM EAST WILCO HIGHWAY TO THE ETJ LIMIT.
C ONE 30 FROM CR 100 TO CHANDLER.
WHERE IS THAT? IS THAT RIGHT PAST THE WATER TOWER? NO, NOT EVERYTHING IS RIGHT PAST THAT.
YEAH, THERE IT'S, EVERYTHING IS THE GREEN ONE, RIGHT? THE LITTLE GREEN ONE? YEAH, THE DARK ONE.
IT'S RIGHT PAST THE GENERAL WATER TOWER
YOU KNOW WHAT PAST DRIVING EVERYTHING IN HU JUST RIGHT, RIGHT.
YOU GO, YOU GO OUT TO THE OLD HANGING TREE AND YOU TAKE A LEFT.
NEXT ONE IS CR 1 32 FROM CR 1 32 TO FM 1660.
CR 1 32 FROM CR 1 32 TO FM 1616.
LET'S GOING NORTH MAP, PLEASE, SIR.
43 BILLION, WHATEVER THAT YOU'RE SAYING.
NO, I, THAT, THAT LEAVE IT WHERE IT'S AT, BUT YEAH, DEFINITELY.
WHAT ARE YOU WANTING TO LEAVE IT AT? 30 QUESTION.
AND WHAT IS THE VALUE THAT IT READS AT THIS POINT IN TIME? CAN WE PUT, UH, SELF AT THE END OF 1660? BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE ALL GONNA BE LIKE, WHAT AGAIN? THERE WE GO.
I THINK THAT ROAD OUGHT TO BE MOVED UP BECAUSE THAT'S NO, NO, NO.
AND SO THE IDEA WAS THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET THE STATE OR COUNTY TO PAY FOR IT.
I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE MOVED UP.
WHY? BECAUSE I THINK THE GROWTH IS GONNA GO OUT THERE.
$43 MILLION ARE GOING START, BELIEVE THE GROWTH IS GONNA GO OUT THERE UNBELIEVABLY, BUT THAT'S JUST SO THE DEVELOPERS DON'T PAY FOR IT.
I'M NOT GONNA PUSH THE ISSUE, BUT WE CAN, YOU CAN STILL RE-LOOK AT IT IF SOMETHING STARTS MOVING UP OR WE GET MORE OUT THERE, LET'S COME BACK TO IT.
I JUST TOLD YOU WHAT I THOUGHT.
T 66 IS THE QUIET ZONE IMPROVEMENTS AT JIM CAGES LANE.
QUIET ZONES HAVE BEEN A THING SINCE, GOSH, I THINK THE FIRST TIME THEY STARTED TALKING ABOUT 'EM WAS BACK IN 20.
THIS THE FIRST TIME A TRAIN CAME THROUGH TOWN.
UM, WHERE PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIVED HERE.
BUT THE ISSUE IS GONNA BE THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT QUIET ZONES AND YOU HAVE TO DO, CHRIS KELLY IS SET UP FOR, BUT IT'S NOT YET ONE.
BUT YOU HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING FROM LIKE MILE AND A HALF ON EITHER SIDE.
SO HAVING, SO HERE'S THE THING.
THE IDEA WAS SET UP ALL OF THE AT GRAIN CROSSINGS SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO BLOW THEIR HORNS.
SO IT'S A QUIET ZONE, BUT BECAUSE OUR RAILROAD CROSSINGS ARE SO CLOSE TOGETHER, EVEN IF WE DID CREATE ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE NEED MM-HMM
BECAUSE THEY'RE SO CLOSE TOGETHER, WE STILL DON'T QUALIFY FOR QUIET ZONES.
WHY IS IT WHY I DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE OFF THE LIST? THIS, LET'S PUT 2050.
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LET'S TAKE IT OFF.IF YOU DON'T QUALIFY FOR IT'S QUIET ZONES.
I'VE ALMOST BEEN HIT FOUR, FIVE TIMES WITH THE TRAIN THAT COMES FROM, UH, LEANDER DOWN INTO AUSTIN.
A LOT OF THOSE CROSSINGS, THEY'RE QUIET ZONES.
YOU, YOU BETTER BE WATCHING WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
I, I'VE COME PRETTY CLOSE GETTING HIT THREE OR FOUR TIMES.
THEY DON'T BLOW THE ORANGE IF WE DON'T QUALIFY FOR IT.
WHAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE TO TAKE IT OFF OF THE CIP LIST? MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL THAT WE, I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE IT FROM OUR CIP SINCE WE DON'T QUALIFY.
WELL, I, I AGREE WITH THE QUIET ZONE PORTION OF IT, BUT THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION IN THE PAST ABOUT CLOSING THAT INTERSECTION.
SO THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE MOTION THAT I JUST MADE RIGHT NOW.
SO IT IS, BUT IT WOULD SIMPLY BE REWORDING THAT PROJECT.
MATT, IF THEY CLOSED DOWN JIM CAGE, THEN WOULD IT QUALIFY? UH, THEN I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACING BETWEEN 1660 AND CHRIS KELLY TO QUALIFY.
WHAT'S THE DISTANCE SUPPOSED TO BE? 1.5 MILES.
I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S UH, UH, I'M NOT GONNA LIE TO YOU.
BUT I, I KNOW THERE'S A GAP THAT IT HAS TO BE ON EACH SIDE OF THE QUIET ZONE.
IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR IT TO BE QUIET ZONE.
SO IF, IF WE WERE TO TAKE OUT JIM CAGE, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THE QUIET ZONE.
WHO CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA TO REMOVE JIM CAGE? THE CROSSING AT JIM CAGE.
THAT'S BEEN A CONVERSATION FOR YEARS.
THAT'S BEEN SINCE BEFORE I GOT OUT JIM CAGE, IF YOU'VE DEALT WITH IT, IT'S HORRIBLE.
SO I HAVE, IT'S HORRIBLE A LOT.
AND I DON'T DISAGREE THAT IT'S HORRIBLE.
MY CONCERN IS, THAT'S ONE LESS WAY FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIVE SOUTH OF 79.
AND I SEE MORE COPS THAN ANYBODY USE THE GYM CAGE INTERSECTION.
THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.
BUT WOULD THEY LIKE FOR IT TO BE GONE THEN? WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE? WHAT WOULD THEY LIKE IF YOU PROPOSE THAT TO THEM, WOULD YOU RATHER NOT HAVE IT OR HAVE IT THE CRAPPY WAY IT IS TODAY? AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD, DOESN'T SAY NEITHER, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD REALLY HELP FUNCTION? THEY'RE LIKE, MOST WOULD REDO THE LIGHTS THERE.
AND I KNOW THEY'VE REDONE EM RECENTLY, BUT THEY NEED TO REDO 'EM AGAIN BECAUSE THAT ONLY LETS FIVE CARS OFF FROM FRONT STREET.
I COUNT 'EM EVERY TIME I GO THERE.
THEY LET FIVE THROUGH ON THE FIRST GREEN BECAUSE THEN IT GOES RED WHAT THEY WANT.
THEN SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC GOES CLOSE, THEN IT TURNS GREEN AGAIN, AND THEY GET FIVE MORE THROUGH.
OH, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT HAPPEN.
SO HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT I'LL TELL YOU TO THAT.
'CAUSE I HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH TDOT PRETTY MUCH MONTHLY.
THEIR RESPONSE IS, YOU FIRE JIM THAT THE SIGNAL TIMING IS SET UP PROPERLY IF WE DIDN'T HAVE SO MANY TRAINS.
SO THEY DON'T, WELL, THAT'S NOT OUR FAULT.
THERE'S 27 TRAINS THAT COME THROUGH HERE A DAY.
IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT EITHER, BUT THEY'LL TELL YOU.
SO THE TRAIN WAS HERE FIRST, AND THE TRAIN TAKES PRIORITY.
SO EVERY TIME, OH, I KNOW THAT.
SO IT TAKES, ON AVERAGE, IT TAKES FOUR OR FIVE CYCLES FOR THE LIGHT TO GET BACK IN SYNC WITH WHERE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN.
BUT HERE'S THE THING ABOUT THE TIME THAT THAT LIGHT GETS BACK IN SYNC TRAIN JUST ABOUT, SO HERE, VICIOUS CYCLE.
HERE'S WHY I'M, I'M ALL VICIOUS CYCLE.
WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT SCRIPT? WELL JUST LEAVE YOU.
HOWEVER THE DISCUSSION PART IS.
WOULD IT BE BETTER TO CHANGE THE QUIET ZONE, IMPROVE QUIET ZONE IMPROVEMENTS AT JIM CAGE LANE TO QUIET ZONE IMPROVEMENTS, FEASIBILITY AT JIM CAGE.
WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE FEASIBILITY.
WE'VE DONE, WE'VE DONE QUIET ZONE STUDY FOR EACH CROSSING.
SO, CHRIS KELLY, JIM CAGE, WE KNOW, WE KNOW DEFINITIVELY THE ANSWER OF IF IT'S BETTER TO CLOSE JIM CAGE OR LEAVE IT OPEN.
WHAT'S THE DEAL ABOUT THE TRAINS BLOWING THEIR HORNS? I LIVED RIGHT THERE.
I TOTALLY, I DON'T USUALLY HEAR THE TRAINS AT ALL.
IN CASE YOU CAN'T TELL YOU'RE DEAF IN CASE YOU CAN'T TELL.
AND PEOPLE WANT WHAT THEY WANT.
IT IS JUST LIKE THE CONVERSATION WE HAD ABOUT OLD TOWNS ABOUT HOW WELL DO YOU WANT THROUGHPUT? DO YOU WANT PARKING? DO YOU WANT PEDESTRIANS? DO YOU WANT DRAINAGE? RIGHT.
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GIVE US A PLAN WITH ALL OF IT.JUST SO THOSE OF US THAT BOUGHT NEAR THE TRAINS WE'RE NOT KNEW THERE WAS A TRAIN
THE TRAIN DOES NOT BOTHER US AT ALL.
EVERY NOW AND THEN THERE'S A TRAIN AND IT'S REALLY WEIRD.
EVERY NOW AND THEN, A TRAIN WILL COME IN AROUND ABOUT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
AND IT ACTUALLY SOUNDS SO WICKED.
IT, IT'S JUST, OH, IT'S, IT'S LIKE GIVES YOU THE EB GBS.
SO THAT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE, THERE'S ONE THAT COMES THROUGH ALMOST EVERY NIGHT.
IT'S AROUND THREE O'CLOCK AND WHEN IT BLOWS ITS HORN, IT'S RIGHT.
ANYWAY, BECAUSE I'M GONNA POINT BACK TO A CONVERSATION WE HAD EARLIER THIS EVENING.
I'M GONNA POINT OUT THE THING THAT IS STARING ME IN THE FACE, NOT BESIDES US BESIDES YOU, IS THAT HERE WE ARE, I DON'T KNOW EVEN KNOW HOW MANY DECADES AFTER THE FACT THAT SOMEBODY THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO PUT IN AT GRADE CROSSING AT JIM CAGE.
SOMEBODY THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO PUT AN AT GRADE CROSSING AT CHRIS KELLY.
SOMEBODY THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO PUT AN AT GRADE CROSSING AT 1660 SOUTH.
AND HERE WE ARE SAYING, HEY, LET'S PUT AN AT GRADE CROSSING AT 1 32 AND 79.
'CAUSE THAT'S SUCH A GOOD IDEA.
NO WORK EVERY OTHER TIME FOR US.
NO, WE'RE NOT DOING EVERY, SO BACK TO THE QUIET, CONVINCED, CONVINCED BACK TO THE LINE ITEMS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IF WE SAID, I DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.
MATT SAID,
BASED OFF OF HOW WE ARE CURRENTLY SET UP TODAY.
I MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE IT.
IT WAS SECONDED BY JIM AND THEN IT WAS SECONDED BY RICK.
SO I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO STILL FOCUS ON THAT AND REMOVE IT OFF OF THE CIP LIST.
BECAUSE IF IN THE FUTURE THEY DECIDE TO GET RID OF THE GYM CAGE CROSSING, THEN YOU COULD BRING IT BACK.
BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, IT HAS NO BUSINESS BEING ON THE CIP LIST IF WE DON'T EVEN QUALIFY FOR IT.
PLUS, PLUS ALSO, THERE'S A DOLLAR AMOUNT LISTED THERE THAT GOES ON THE TOTAL THAT WILL REDUCE THE TOTAL OF THIS WHOLE THING BY THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
HOW MUCH IS THAT? I SECOND THE MOTION.
UH, LET ME, LET ME ASK A QUESTION BEFORE VOTING ON THAT ONE.
ARE THOSE NUMBERS BEING ROLLED UP INTO THE TOTAL CIP THAT IS GOING TO COUNCIL? YES, THEY WILL.
WELL THEN LET'S NOT PUT IT DOWN AS A 20.
LET'S NOT ADD CLOSED JIM CAGE AS A 20 XX.
THAT'S, THAT WAS MY LINE AMENDMENT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE, WHAT IS THAT? UH, T 65.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE T 66 BY, BY COMMISSIONER STEWART.
SO ALL IN FAVOR OF REMOVING T 66 FROM THE CIP LIST.
IS IT THE SAME LOGIC THAT APPLIED TO T 66? WELL, IF YOU REMOVE JIM CAGE, IF YOU CLOSE THAT, THIS IS NO, THIS IS A QUIET ZONE.
SO THEN THEORETICALLY YOU COULD DO QUIET ZONE AT CHRIS KELLY AT 1667.
BUT, BUT GOING OFF OF THE WHOLE, AS IT STANDS TODAY, UHHUH, IF YOU DON'T QUALIFY, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO QUALITY ZONE AT CHRIS KELLY G CAGE 66.
I MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE T 67.
RIGHT? IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED TOO.
UH, CASE TALK OF THE, IT'S THE SAME THING.
UH, DO SORRY, DISCUSSION ON THAT.
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UH, CHRIS KELLY? NO, BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY PUT IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN FOR CHRIS KELLY.WE GET A SECOND, HAZEL SECOND.
UM, DO WE WANT TO MAKE IT, DO WE WANT TO RECALL THE LAST MOTION AND COMBINE 'EM 66 AND 67 SEPARATE? YEAH.
CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO PULL ONE OF THEM ONE.
SO WELL, IF YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE MAKING THEM PULL BOTH OF THEM AT ONE TIME.
THAT MAY ONE, ONE AND NOT THE OTHER TWO SEVEN.
YOU MIGHT NEED TO OUR CITY COUNSEL ALL LET'S DO IT.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF REMOVING T 67.
WE SAVED WHAT, A MILLION DOLLARS MILLION MAYBE.
WE'RE JUST GONNA RECYCLE THAT INTO BULLDOZE AND JIM CAGE.
AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THIS ON ANY MA IN THE, ON THE MASTER PLAN BECAUSE THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS LISTED.
I THINK THIS WAS ACTUALLY ON SOME PEDESTRIAN STUDY THAT WAS DONE YEARS BACK.
WHERE ARE VISUAL PEOPLES? THAT'S GOTTA BE FROM JIM CAGE TO ORAIN, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT'S GOTTA BE THE, THAT ONE BLOCK FRONT STREET AND YEAH.
I THINK IT ACTUALLY WAS GONNA GO FROM 79.
'CAUSE THERE'S SIDEWALKS THERE.
WELL, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS OVER IN THAT AREA ANYWAY.
RIGHT? SO IF YOU PUT IT THERE, WELL, WE DO HAVE, YEAH, THERE IS SOME ACROSS SOUTH.
ARE YOU TALKING SOUTH? TALKING BELOW? YEAH.
YEAH, THERE'S, SO THERE'S NO SIDEWALK.
SO WOULD THAT BE CREATING A PROBLEM THAT THE OTHER STREETS, SO PEOPLE ON THE OTHER STREETS WILL START ONE DOWN? WELL, I MEAN, SIDEWALKS, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUT THE SIDEWALK OVER.
EVERYBODY ALREADY WANTS SIDEWALKS, AND SO THEY DON'T YEAH, SO THE SIDEWALKS, THAT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED.
YOU'RE NOT PUTTING SIDEWALKS OVER THE TRACKS, RIGHT? NO, NOT OVER THE TRACK.
SO YOU'RE GONNA, THESE SIDEWALKS ARE GONNA GO FROM WHERE? JUST HERE SOMEWHERE? YEAH, RIGHT THERE.
WELL, THERE'S ALREADY SOME RIGHT ON THE WEST SIDE FROM 79 FROM HERE.
BUT THERE'S SIDEWALKS ON THE, THE SIDEWALK OVER THE ROAD.
I WOULDN'T GO FOR THAT BECAUSE STOP.
HAVE YOU EVER SAT THERE AND WATCHED HOW MANY TRUCKS? YEAH.
THEY'LL TEAR UP THAT SIDEWALK SO FAST.
THERE'S ALREADY A DIP IN THERE ANYWAY, SO YOU FIGURE, BUT THE SIDEWALKS ALREADY EXISTS OVER AT CHRIS KELLY.
THERE'S WHAT? THERE'S A SIDEWALK AT CHRIS KELLY.
SO YEAH, THERE IS MAKE SIDEWALK, BUT THAT, THAT'S AT HIGH SCHOOL.
IS THERE ONE OTHER SIDE? IS THERE ACTUALLY WHAT TRAFFIC OVER HERE THOUGH, THAT WOULD WARRANT? LIKE, HOW MUCH OF A NEED IS THERE? YOU DO HAVE THE RESTAURANTS THERE THAT PEOPLE DRIVE TO GO OVER THERE.
THE UPS, THE LITTLE SHOPPING THERE.
WHY IS ONE ARE AT HIGHLANDS HIGHLIGHTS THIS.
LIKE, THAT'S NOT BAD, TO BE HONEST.
ANYBODY WALKING OVER THERE? I NEVER HAVE.
I WOULD SAY JUST ME TO BE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.
I WOULD SAY TO REMOVE T 68, WE ALREADY INCREASED THE SIDEWALK BUDGET.
IF PEOPLE WANT SIDEWALK BUDGET THERE, THAT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA.
WOULD YOU DO THAT FOR T 68? ALL THE WAY DOWN TO T 72? I SECOND THAT MOTION.
OH, WHAT ARE YES, I THAT MOTION? YES.
THAT'S 2 MILLION MILLION DOLLARS ON SIDEWALKS.
SO JIM CAGE, REMOVE METCALF CHURCH STREET, AUSTIN AVENUE 60, 68, 69 THROUGH, DAMMIT, STAPLE 72.
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THE METCALF METCALF? IT'S, UM, THROUGH T 72.THERE'S EAST, WEST BEHIND YOU.
IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT'S RIGHT BEHIND YOU.
OH, IT'S EAST, WEST, NORTH OF, UH, LIVE OAK.
SO, WELL, HERE, WE'RE LIVE OVER.
WHERE'S BRUSHY? BRUSHY CREEK IS OFF OF, UH, BRUSHY STREET.
BRUSHY STREET IS DOWN BY EVANS DOWN HERE.
WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? SO WHY I AGREE WITH YOU.
SO, JIM CAGE, AUSTIN, THOSE PEOPLE, THOSE PEOPLE DESERVE SIDEWALKS, BUT IT'S, IT'S GONNA ALL, DID YOU NOT LISTEN? HE SAID ROLL IT ALL INTO THE SIDEWALK THING.
YOUR LEGS BETTER BE STAYING SO FAR.
HE'S BEEN LIKE, SHE'S GOTTA COME WITH BRUISES.
YOU KNOW WHAT? I'LL LET YOU MAKE THE MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ROLL ALL THE SIDEWALK PHONES INTO ONE.
I'M PUTTING MYSELF DOWN A SECOND.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S 68, 69, 70, 71 AND SEVEN TWO.
SIDEWALKS GO IN SIDEWALK BUDGET.
MAKE, MAKE THAT, MAKE THAT, PUT THAT IN YOUR MOTION.
I SECOND SOMEBODY CALL FOR BOTH.
SOMEBODY DID CALL FOR SOMEBODY.
HE DID TO REMOVE T 68 THROUGH T 72.
I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU'RE WELCOME.
IF WE HAD DONE ALL THIS IN ONE NIGHT.
YOU THINK THAT PAINFUL? OH CRAP.
BOY, WE JUST GOT RID OF A WHOLE BUNCHER RIGHT THEN, DIDN'T WE? WELL, THAT'S $3 MILLION, 2 MILLION HERE AND THE MILLION.
WELL, BUT YOU STILL FIGURE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A SIDEWALK.
BUT INSTEAD OF CALLING OUT INDIVIDUAL, THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT, DOES ED SCHMIDT NEED THE SIDEWALKS? LIKE WHERE, WHERE'S THE NEED, WHERE'S THE PRIORITY? RIGHT.
IS THE GUY ON ADAM, OR, UH, IS THE GUY ON JIM CAGE GONNA GO? NO, YOU CAN'T COME ON MY LAND.
WE'RE NOT PUTTING YOUR SIDEWALK IN.
YOU KNOW WHAT'S REALLY SAD ABOUT ALL THAT? ONE PERSON CAN SCREW UP THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
RIGHT? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT PERSON AND COMMISSIONS OR JUST ONE PERSON CAN SCREW UP THE WHOLE THAT PUTS US AT T 73.
UH, THIS IS THE CARL STERN FM 6 85 INTERSECTION.
SO IT'S LIKE THAT LITTLE SECTION FROM BASICALLY RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL CITY COUNCIL SAYS THAT WE NEEDED TO PRIORITIZE THAT.
SO THEY HAVE SAID START THE DESIGN.
IT'S THIS, WHAT, WHAT ARE THEY? RIGHT THERE BY THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
IT'S BASICALLY THIS FROM HERE? YEAH.
I DEFINITELY MOSTLY FOCUSED ON FIXING THIS.
WHAT DO THEY WANNA DO? WHAT DO THEY WANNA DO WITH IT? WELL, SO ORIGINALLY IT WAS JUST FIX THIS INTERSECTION.
BUT THEN BECAUSE OF ALL THE OTHER THINGS, THEY'RE LIKE, LET'S JUST LOOK AT THIS WHOLE STRETCH OF ROADWAY.
TO SEE, BECAUSE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO WIDEN THIS OR WE'RE SUPPOSED TO WIDEN CARL STERN ANYWAY.
SO RATHER THAN JUST THROUGH THIS INTERSECTION, I HAVE A QUESTION.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN SHUT DOWN THAT ROAD RIGHT THERE? WHY? NO, NO, NO, NO.
THIS, THAT IS THE WORST ROAD THEY'VE EVER DONE.
THERE'S THAT SHUT PEOPLE THAT, THAT ROAD THAT IS HORRIBLE.
WELL, YOU HAVE TO JUSTIFY SHUTTING DOWN THAT ROAD WAS HORRIBLE BECAUSE ALL THE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS PARKED THERE.
OH, THEY ONLY PARKED ON, THEY NEVER PARKED ON THAT PART OF THE ROAD.
THEY PARKED DOWN HERE WHERE THE HOUSES ARE.
THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO, BUT THEY'VE CHANGED.
I, WHEN THEY PUT THAT THROUGH, I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
I TRIED TO SHUT DOWN TWO ROADS FROM YOU.
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THE ROAD.THOUGHT WAS, LET'S SHUT HIM DOWN.
SO THIS IS CITY COUNCIL'S RECOMMENDATION.
LET GET BACK DOWN HERE AND DO, OKAY, LET'S GO BACK TO IT.
WELL, WE CAN MOVE IT IN THE BUILDING.
WE CAN MOVE IT, BUT THEY'LL JUST MOVE IT BACK.
AND THAT INCLUDES WIDENING IT SIDEWALKS.
WELL, I MEAN, ORIGINALLY IT WAS JUST TO START TALKING ABOUT FIXING THE INTERSECTION.
BUT IN MY MIND, DO THE WHOLE THING.
THERE'S NO LOGIC TO JUST DO THE INTERSECTION AND THEN COME BACK NEXT YEAR AND DO NO, IT NEEDS IT.
WE NEED A RIGHT TURN LANE WHEN YOU'RE HEADING WEST.
DID THEY ALSO, DOES THIS ALSO INCLUDE FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS THAT NEED TO HAVE, THEY, I'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS POTENTIALLY PUTTING LIKE A OVER 6 85, LIKE A WALKING BRIDGE FOR THEM TO GET TO THE FAST FOOD RE RESTAURANTS BECAUSE THEY'RE WALKING ACROSS TRAFFIC BECAUSE IT'S HIGHWAY.
ARE THOSE EXPENSIVE? I HEARD THEM TALKING ABOUT IT.
THAT'S TEXTILE ROAD ROAD SIX MILL.
YOU'RE BUILDING A BRIDGE ACROSS TPOS ROADWAY.
AND IT'S GONNA BE A LONG SPAN BRIDGE.
AND IT, AND IT NEEDS TO WITHHOLD, UH, WITHSTAND THE TANK.
AND BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT KIDS, THEY'RE GONNA WANT HIDE SOME SORT OF FENCING OR SOMETHING ON IT.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE DONE FOR SAFETY FOR THE KIDS, BUT IT'S REALLY, IT SIX MIL A BIT.
IT NEEDS TO BE ARE WE GONNA 73? YEP.
LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THIS IS ONE THAT I ADDED BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE PCI STUDY.
WHAT IS THAT? WHERE'S CON COUNTRY ESTATES TO REAGAN WELLS? NO.
I KNOW WHERE REAGAN WELLS IS, BUT I CAN'T THINK OF WHERE CONAN OH, I KNOW WHERE CONAN IS.
WHAT, WHAT DO THEY WANNA DO TO IT? SO, LET'S SEE.
SO BASICALLY REBUILDING THIS SECTION OF THE ROAD.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT? WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT? WHAT'S WRONG WITH FAILED? IT'S FAILING.
IT'S ON THE PCI STUDY IS NEEDING TO BE FULLY RECONSTRUCTED.
THAT, THAT SHOULD HAVE SOME PRETTY HIGH, UH, PRIORITY TO ME.
WHY IS THAT LITTLE PIECE AND NOT IN THE OTHER PART? IS THAT SEPARATE CONSTRUC? IT'S JUST BASED ON THEIR ANALYSIS THAT THEY DID.
SO IS THERE'S ANYTHING DIFFERENT ABOUT IT? THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION BY WHOM? OR WHATEVER.
HAVE YOU DONE THE STUDY? THE DESIGN? HOW OLD IS THE STREET? NO, WE HAVEN'T DONE THE COUNTRY STATE.
IT'S THE DESIGN REQUIRED NINETIES.
I MEAN, THERE WILL BE SOME ENGINEERING THAT'S REQUIRED BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR HOW WE GET PEOPLE IN OUT THEIR DRIVEWAYS.
THE WHOLE THING WHERE WE HAVE UTILITIES THAT MIGHT BE A, YEAH.
SO THE QUESTION I HAVE, IT'S ONLY WHAT, 250 K THE QUESTION I HAVE ON THAT ONE, DO IT TOMORROW.
IS THAT THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THAT BLOCK OR IS IT A SECTION OF THAT BLOCK THAT HAS FAILED THAT WE NEED TO TEAR UP, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED FEET OF STREET? UH, I DON'T ANSWER THE PCI I STUDY SHOWS THE ENTIRE SEGMENT BEING FAILED.
OR, WELL, YOU GOT TO, YOU GOT TO DEAL WITH ALL THE HOMEOWNERS OVER THERE.
RIGHT? THAT SEEMS, SEEMS KINDA LOW.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE IT AT? WELL, THAT'S, THIS IS WHAT THE PCI ESTIMATE WAS.
THAT'S THE YEAR THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
JUST JUST REMIND, WE'VE GONE FROM 30 TO 29 TO 26 TO 30.
AND THEN 24 WE'RE PLANNING 26, 27, 28, 29 30.
CAN YOU READ BETWEEN THE LINES, MATT? ALL RIGHT, LET'S LEAVE IT NEXT.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE ASAP.
SO YEAH, 75 IS ANOTHER RECONSTRUCTION FROM THE PCI STUDY.
AND THAT'S WEST METCALF FROM 1660 TO WEST.
CAN YOU SHOW US ON A MAP WHERE THAT IS? THAT'S NOT THE MARIOS RIGHT BEHIND WHERE WE ARE FOR METCAL.
IT'S OVER BY THE, THEY'RE CALLING OF 60.
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THAT'S, UH, I WOULD SAY KICK THAT ONE.IT'S PART OF THE OLD TOWN GROUP THAT'S PART OF OLD TOWN.
SO WHEN YOU WANT, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY KICK THAT TO 30.
UNTIL YOU GET THE WHOLE HOTEL THING FIGURED OUT AND THEN MOVE IT WHEREVER AND THEN MOVE IT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
NO, I'M LIKE, HEY, HOW DO YOU DO THIS AND THIS? AND HE JUST COMES OVER AND HE'S LIKE, BOOPTY BOOP.
LAST TWO KIND OF, UH, T 76 CARL STERN WIDENING FROM FRONT TO FM 1660.
I'VE GOT, WAIT, WHAT? SAY THAT AGAIN? THAT'S WHAT JUST CARL STERN WIDENING FROM FRONT TO FM 1660.
FRONT IS BEHIND THE HIGH SCHOOL.
IT HAS THAT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT.
SO THE PROJECT THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WAS TO GO FROM THE INTERSECTION, INTERSECTION TO FRONT.
UH, THIS PROJECT GOES FROM FRONT TO 60.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE PLAN? BECAUSE HOW MANY WIDENING TO WHAT? I BELIEVE THE MASTER PLAN CALLS THE WIDE IT TO FIVE LANES.
I THINK IT'S LIKE TWO EACH SIDEWALKS ON EITHER IN THE CENTER TURN.
NO, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS ON THE SIDE.
THERE ARE NO, BUT THERE'S GONNA END UP YES THERE PLAN THERE.
BUT I THINK WHEN IT GETS REBUILT, THERE WOULD BE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES THEN.
THERE'S NOT A, WELL, THERE'S NOT ANY SIDEWALKS FURTHER, CLOSER TO 1660.
ON THAT SOUTH SIDE? NO, NORTH, NORTH SIDE.
WELL, THAT ROAD NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE SOME HOUSES ARE WEIRD ROAD ANYWAY.
SO WHEN IS THAT SCHEDULE FOR? SO I SAID START DOING DESIGN IN THIS ONE IN 26, BUT I DIDN'T START CONSTRUCTION UNTIL 29.
I THINK WE SHOULD PULL THAT IN.
DO YOU WANT TO, CAN WE MOVE THAT TO 28? I THINK WE SHOULD PULL IT IN SINCE WE'RE DOING ALL THE CARL STERNS 1660 COMBO STUFF.
AND IF CARL STERNS IS GONNA BE A MAJOR ROAD, WOULDN'T WE WANT TO DO CARL STERN PRETTY QUICK? I I WANNA PULL IT IN.
THIS IS, WELL, I, I'M NOT SURE.
I WANNA LOOK AT WHEN THE INTERSECTION AT CARL STERN IN 1660.
WAS WAS THAT 27 OR 20? WE DID THAT IN 28.
I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S 27 OR 28.
THAT'S WHY I WANT US, THAT'S WHY I WANNA SINK IT UP.
YOU SEE THAT? YOU SEE THAT? I DUNNO.
CAN WE DO IT IN 28 CHARLESTON? IT CAN GET RECOMMENDED.
I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT OF WORK GOING ON.
CHARLESTON WIDENING 1660 TO END MEANS WHERE IT ENDS RIGHT NOW WOULD BE THE WHOLE EASTERN SECTION.
BUT IS IT DOUBLE THE PRICE BECAUSE OF THE BRIDGE OVER BRUSHY CREEK? YEP.
AND THAT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO THAT SO QUICKLY.
'CAUSE IT WAS JUST BUILT LIKE YESTERDAY MM-HMM
RIGHT? ACTUALLY IT WAS DONE TWO DAYS.
THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO DELIVER.
ARE WE DOING DESIGN IN 28? NO.
WE DON'T NEED TO DESIGN THE 1660 TO END.
I WAS GONNA START IT ONCE WE WHEN WE STARTED THE OTHER ONE, BUT THEY GOT ANOTHER VERSION.
THERE'S TWICE CUSHION SIX, BUT THAT'S FINE.
THERE ARE THREE PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME UP THAT ARE NOT ON THIS LIST.
I PUT 'EM UP THERE ON THE BOARD SO WE WOULDN'T FORGET ABOUT 'EM.
WHY DID YOU LET THREE PROJECTS COME UP WITHOUT ON THE LIST?
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DID YOU FAIL? WHY? WHY DID YOU GUYS JUST KEEP THROWING RANDOM STUFF AT OH, WE HAVE NOT YET TO BEGIN.OH, WE, WE, WE HAVE BEGUN AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ENDING SOON.
SO THE THREE PROJECTS, OLD TOWN LIVE, OAK STREET, OLD TOWN LIVE OAK EXTENSION.
REMEMBER THAT'S THE ONE THAT DEVELOPER WAS SUPPOSED TO DO.
BUT THE DEVELOPER HAS GONE UP IN SMOKE.
AND SO THERE'S NO CURRENT PLAN FOR THAT.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT WE KIND OF TALKED ON A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, BUT NOT REALLY IS THE EXCHANGE SCHOOL DRIVEWAY THING.
THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS BACK AND FORTH.
THE EXCHANGE DRIVEWAY SCHOOL THING WAS DONE ORIGINALLY ABOUT THE CITY TAKING THAT OVER.
WHAT'S THE EXCHANGE DRIVEWAY THING? YEAH, IT GOES THROUGH COTTONWOOD CREEK.
AND SO LET'S TAKE TECHNICALLY, HOLD ON.
OH, THE LOOP AROUND EXCHANGE BOULEVARD STOPS AT HOLLAND.
UH, SO IT'S BEHIND THE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE FIVE, LET'S TAKE FIVE REAL QUICK FOR BIOLOGICALS.
WE'LL SAYING TELL ME SCOTT, GOTTA GO TO THE BATHROOM AND
WE DON'T WANNA KEEP YOU GOING.
CAN WE HAVE THESE OUTSIDE? SO WE'LL RE CAN WE JUST LIKE ZOOM IN? YOU SMOKE? HUH? YOU SMOKE? DID YOU HAVE TRASH IN SO THEY CAN SMOKE? YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, SO.
I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING, I GO, I I GO TO HUDDLE MIDDLE EVERY DAY, SO I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
SO, SO PEOPLE CALL THAT EXCHANGE BOULEVARD.
BECAUSE OF THIS PART EXCHANGE BOULEVARD STOPS RIGHT THERE.
IS THERE NOT, NO, THERE'S A SIGNAL UP HERE.
AND IT'S GONNA SAY LIMMER LOOP AND SHERMAN PUT ON MIDDLE.
IT WILL NOT SAY EXCHANGE BOULEVARD.
'CAUSE IT IS NOT EXCHANGE BOULEVARD.
IT DOES RIGHT NOW ON THE TEMPORARY SIGNAL, BUT WHEN WE PUT THE PERMANENT UP, IT'S NOT GOING TO, OKAY.
THERE HAVE BEEN BACK AND FORTH CONVERSATIONS FOR YEARS ABOUT THE CITY TAKING THIS ROAD.
AND THE SCHOOL, THE SCHOOL DOESN'T WANT IT TECHNICALLY THE CITY DOESN'T BE THERE.
WE DON'T WANT IT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
UM, AND BASICALLY IF THE CITY WERE TO TAKE IT OVER, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO RECONSTRUCT IT FROM POINT A TO POINT B.
WHAT WOULD BE SO, SO ARE THEY GIVING US THE PROPERTY IN THE EAST MEADOW OVER THERE TO THE EAST OF THE ROAD HERE? UHHUH.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL DRAINAGE.
BUT BASICALLY WHAT WE WOULD HAVE MOST LIKELY HAVE TO DO IS RECONSTRUCT THE ROAD TO KIND OF DO THIS.
SO WE WOULD'VE TO REDO THE DRAINAGE TO THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD SO THAT THE ROAD CAN BE CLOSER OVER HERE AND BE SO WHY WAS THERE A SIGNAL, LIKE PUT THERE? NOT SCHOOL CROSSING THE SCHOOL.
THE SIGNAL WAS PUT THERE BECAUSE THE SCHOOL'S BEEN ASKING FOR A SIGNAL THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND IT IS WARRANTED.
SO LET, SINCE WE'RE ON A BREAK, I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT A WRECK THAT I DID.
SO RIGHT HERE AT HU MIDDLE SCHOOL.
SO HOW DO I MAKE THIS MAKE SENSE? IT'S TWO LANES, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHEN YOU GET TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, THIS IS PARENT DROP OFF AND LIKE PARENT PICKUP RIGHT HERE.
SO THE, DO YOU SEE, OH, IT EVEN IS ON THE MAP.
DO YOU SEE HOW IT HAS ONE TURN LEFT ARROW? YEAH.
SO TO ME, WHEN I LEARNED HOW TO DRIVE, THAT MEANT IF YOU'RE IN THIS LANE, YOU JUST GOTTA KEEP GOING THIS WAY YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TURN.
SO ONE DAY IT'S ON A DOUBLE LEFT.
I'M IN THE PEOPLE AT HOOD MIDDLE SCHOOL, TREAT IT LIKE A DOUBLE LEFT.
SO THEY, YOU'RE IN THIS LANE TO PICK UP YOUR KID RIGHT HERE.
BUT PEOPLE WILL GET IN THIS THE RIGHT LANE, TURN THE LEFT BECAUSE THEY THEN GO INTO THE LEFT LANE TO GET INTO THE PARKING LOT WHERE THEY WAIT FOR THEIR KID TO COME.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO BECAUSE MY KID WAS A BUS RIDER.
SO ONE DAY I HAD TO GO PICK HIM UP FOR WHATEVER REASON.
AND I HIT A LADY BECAUSE SHE WAS IN THE RIGHT LANE MAKING A LEFT TURN.
I DIDN'T LOOK RIGHT BEFORE I MADE MY HEAD.
SO THERE WE GO TO THE PARKING LOT AND THE DID YOU HIT HER OR DID SHE HIT YOU? I MEAN, REALLY, IT'S NOT LIKE CARL.
LIKE IF YOU'RE AT CHRIS KELLY AND
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THERE'S A DOUBLE LEFT, LIKE I WAS ALMOST RUN INTO LIKE THE DITCH OVER THE WEEKEND BECAUSE SOMEBODY PULLED OUT TOO FAR AND I'M HONKING AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT? THERE WERE THUMBS UP ALL OVER THE PLACE AND OTHER HANDS.AND, BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, YOU LITERALLY ALMOST, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS FINGER? I MEAN, IT WAS ONE OF 'EM.
BUT SHE, SHE WAS TURNING LIKE THIS AND THEN SHE, SHE SLOWED DOWN AND SHE'S HONKING AT ME.
AND I'M LIKE, WHAT? SO THEN I KEPT GOING, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A DOUBLE.
SO WHEN WE PARKED, PARKED, YOU WERE IN THE LEFT TURN LANE? I WAS IN THE LEFT TURN LANE.
SHE WAS IN THE TURN LANE TO GO STRAIGHT.
AND SHE WAS IN THE RIGHT LANE THAT, AND SHE MADE THE LEFT AS WELL.
HER FAULT, SHE MADE LEGAL TURN.
BOTH OF US HAD JUST BOUGHT OUR CARS.
AND SO THE HU ISD POLICE ARE THERE AND THEY'RE TELLING HER YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN GET HER NAME OR INSURANCE OR ANYTHING BECAUSE THIS IS COMPLETELY YOUR FAULT.
SO YOU NEED TO FILE IT TO YOUR INSURANCE TO FIX YOUR CAR.
AND THEN I'M LOOKING AT MY, MY TRUCK.
OH, I, POOR THING I TOLD HER, OPEN THE CAR DOOR.
DOES IT OPEN? AND LUCKILY IT DID.
SO I TOLD HER IT'S JUST LIKE, MAINLY LIKE COSMETIC.
SO, BUT THEN I TOLD THE SCHOOL, LIKE, CAN YOU SAY, CAN YOU TELL PEOPLE NOT TO DO THAT? BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A LINE IN THE RIGHT LANE THAT'S MEANT TO GO STRAIGHT OF PARENTS WAITING TO MAKE THE LEFT.
IS THAT CONSIDERED A PUBLIC STREET? NO.
WHERE'S IT? PRIVATE PROPERTY FROM WHERE IT STOPS RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION.
SO FROM HOLLAND TO LIMMER, IT'S OUR PRIVATE.
SO SHOULD THE CITY, OR SHOULD THE SCHOOL PUT A SIGN THAT SAYS PRIVATE DRIVEWAY? I THINK THAT'S UP THERE.
I SWEAR THE LAST TIME I WENT UP TO COTTONWOOD, THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WAS LIKE PRIVATE, LIKE SCHOOL PROPERTY, PRIVATE DRIVE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
NO, THROUGH TRAFFIC OR THROUGH TRAFFIC.
THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS COMING FROM WIMMER.
AND THAT RIGHT THERE, RIGHT? WE RIGHT BEFORE THE, IT'S GOT THE GIANT FEED VALLEY THAT WE'RE BACK.
NOW YOU'VE PASSED IT 15 MILES.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I HIT HER.
WELL, THERE'S A BIG LEFT TURN THERE.
BUT THIS HAPPENS EVERY SINGLE DAY.
SO NOW THAT I, NOW THAT I DO THIS EVERY DAY TO PICK HIM UP, I KNOW TO LOOK RIGHT BEFORE I MAKE MY LEFT, BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE SOME PERSON THAT'S, BUT IS THE DRIVEWAY EVEN BIG ENOUGH TO MAKE THAT A DOUBLE LEFT DRIVE? NO.
SO IF YOU GO BACK TO YEAH, KEEP GOING UP THERE.
THAT'S NOT EVEN BIG ENOUGH TO ME.
SO RIGHT IN HERE, DO YOU SEE HOW THEY'RE, NOW THERE'S TWO LANES.
SO RIGHT HERE, THESE PARENTS, THEY, THE PARENTS WHO MAKE THE TURN FROM THE RIGHT LANE, THEY GO GO INTO THE LEFT LANE TO GO INTO THE SCHOOL PARKING LOT.
SO THE PARENTS LIKE ME WHO ARE IN THE LEFT LANE, WE GO INTO THE RIGHT LANE RIGHT HERE.
WAIT, SO YOU GUYS HAVE TO THEN CRISSCROSS YEAH.
THAT'S THE DUMBEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD.
OH, YOU HAVE TO BE, YOU HAVE TO BE REAL.
I USED TO PICK UP MY GRANDSON EVERY NOW AND THEN.
I TOLD MY WIFE STEVE, LIKE, WHAT THE FRUITCAKE ARE Y'ALL DOING? AND IF YOU GO TO THE PARKING LOT, YOU GO TO THE PARKING LOT, YOU HAVE TO ENTER, YOU ENTER WHERE CHERYL WAS POINTING.
BUT YOU CAN'T COME BACK OUT THAT WAY.
YOU COME OUT THIS WAY RIGHT HERE.
YOU COME OUT, GO ALL THE WAY AROUND.
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE COME OUTTA THAT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO KIND OF MERGE WITH THE TRAFFIC COMING IN THAT LANE.
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL NOT MERGE WITH YOU.
OH, I'M SO GLAD I DON'T PICK UP MY GRANDSON OVER THERE ANYMORE.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE FIRST THING.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF THE CITY DOES TAKE THIS ON, ALL OF THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE UPGRADED.
ALL OF THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP TO SAY, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WANTS TO CONSIDER, YES.
WE SHOULD ADD THIS TO THE CIP P BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE AN EXPENSE.
WHY, WHY IS, WHAT BENEFIT IS IT TO THE CITY TO TAKE? YEAH.
WHAT BENEFIT IS, IS THE CITY, IT'S ANOTHER, IT'S ANOTHER NORTH SOUTH ROAD, THE PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THE THE ONLY REAL BENEFIT THAT THE CITY GETS IS THAT PEOPLE ARE USING THIS DRIVEWAY AS A CUT THROUGH AS AS IF IT'S A PUBLIC STREET.
AND SO IT CLEARLY MAKES IT A PUBLIC STREET.
AND THEN THE CITY CAN CONTROL THE WAY TRAFFIC FLOWS ON.
RIGHT NOW THE CITY HAS NO CONTROL.
IS IT OWNED BY THE ISD? RIGHT.
ISN'T THERE GONNA BE A LAND SWAP? I MEAN, WELL, THERE WOULD'VE TO BE SOMETHING.
I MEAN, WE CAN'T JUST TAKE THE BROAD FROM THE, AND I DON'T THINK THEY CAN JUST GIVE IT, THEY CAN'T JUST DONATE IT TO US.
IS IT BE A LAND? WHAT I HEARD IT HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF SWAP.
SO, BUT WHAT I WAS TELLING EVERYBODY IS THAT IF IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T DRIVEN THAT ROAD LATELY, IT IS NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM BUILT TO ANY CITY STANDARD.
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GOES, SO THE ONLY BENEFIT TO THE CITY IS ANOTHER NORTH SIDE.WHICH, IF WE'RE TRYING TO DIVERT TRAFFIC OFF OF THE OTHER AREAS, LIKE 1660, IT'S NOT A, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH, YEAH.
IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE TO TAKE.
IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT TRAFFIC CONGESTION, IT CERTAINLY IS BECAUSE THERE IS, THERE IS A PROBLEM IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO, LET'S SAY, HOME DEPOT FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN.
AND THERE'S AN ACCIDENT AT, OR CONGESTION OR WHATEVER AT, UH, EDGE SCHMIDT AND LIME.
YOU JUST DON'T GO TO HOME DEPOT UNTIL LATER.
BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL YOU'RE IN THE TRAFFIC.
WELL, ANYONE THAT'S ON EXCHANGE GOING NORTH AND WANTS TO GET THE LIMMER, IT'S EITHER EITHER THE DRIVEWAY OR YOU'RE GOING ON ANDERSON STREET.
AND THAT IS A BIG PROBLEM FOR THE NEIGHBORS IN THAT.
BECAUSE I HAVE RELATIVES ON HILTON.
AND SO IF WE'RE COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, NORTH OF LIMMER LOOP, WE BASICALLY TAKE THE ANDERSON STREET AND IT'S A, IT IS A VERY DANGEROUS, YOU HAVE TO BE REALLY GOING 20 MILES AN HOUR TO WATCH YOUR KIDS.
THERE'S PARALLEL PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.
WELL OVER HALF THE TRAFFIC IS THROUGH TRAFFIC.
TUESDAY SAYS TRASH DAY DON'T EVER GET STUCK OVER THERE.
SO I MEAN, I, I I'M FOUR I KNOW
IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO, RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT, BUT IT WILL BE.
BUT IF WE, BUT IF WE TOOK OVER EX EX, WELL IT SOON TO BE NAMED EXCHANGED THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, CELEBRITY THAT'S GOING TO BE NAMED EXCHANGE, UM, THEN THAT WOULD BE A CONTROLLED LEFT.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE, IF IT'S STAY IN A DRIVEWAY, I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER GONNA BE A CONTROLLED LEFT.
SO THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE WITH EMPHASIZING EXCHANGE AS A DRIVEWAY IS THE TRAFFIC COMING INTO LIMMER OR OFF LIMMER.
ADRIANA IS THE STREET RIGHT NEXT TO SINAI.
I DON'S KNOW THE STREETS OVER THERE.
THERE'S NO A ON THE END OF THAT.
BUT YEAH, IT'S LIKE ANDERSON'S.
SO THOSE TWO STREETS THEN BECOME, I'M GONNA SAY PROBLEMS. YES.
THERE'S PLENTY OF WRECKS THERE.
PEOPLE KEEP DRIVING INTO THAT GUY'S RETAINING WALL, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
WHERE'S ANDREW IN? THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OVER HERE.
JUST LIKE, JUST LIKE ANDERSON IS.
I SEE HOW YOU CAN GET PAST IT.
YOU, YOU CAN, YOU CAN GET THROUGH, RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU HAVE TO DO A BUNCH OF TURNING NOW.
NOW, WOULD THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CONSIDER HELPING THE CITY FUND CONSTRUCTION THAT GROWTH? NOW WE HAVE NEGOTIATE.
I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF BUSES AND THE, THE TRAFFIC FOR THE SCHOOL GOING THERE.
SO IT, IT IS THE CITY WANTING TO TAKE IT OVER AND WIDEN IT? IT WOULD HAVE TO BE WIDENED AND STRAIGHTENED.
IT DOESN'T, BUT WHAT YEAR? I'M JUST GONNA SAY THIS.
ARE JUST TOTALLY AGAINST IT VOTING.
THAT MIGHT WORK FOR EXCHANGE SOON TO BE COMPLEX.
UH, IF YOU'VE EVER DRIVEN RIVER WALK, YOU KNOW THAT THEY'VE GOT LIKE THE MAIN ROAD AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE ALMOST DRIVEWAY EXTENSION ROAD.
ALL THE DRIVEWAYS LEAD OUT INTO IT.
AND THERE'S A GRASSY MEDIAN BETWEEN THE SLIP STREETS.
THEY'RE, WELL, WE DO A SLIP STREET FOR THE BUSES AND THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC AND OUR STREET, THAT CITY STREET GOES A LITTLE BIT TO THE EAST
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OF THE EXISTING PAVEMENT.BUT THAT ROAD ALREADY IS ALMOST RIGHT UP ON THE, WELL, AT THE VERY END IT IS, BUT YEAH.
BUT IT'S, IT'S, THIS IS AWFUL CLOSE TO THE FENCE RIGHT IN HERE.
THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD STRAIGHTEN.
WE'D HAVE, WE'D HAVE TO STRAIGHTEN IT OUT.
THEY'D HAVE TO STRAIGHTEN THEIR, THEIR PIECE OUT RIGHT THERE AT THE BACKSIDE OF THE MIDDLE SCHOOL WHERE IT CURVES OUT AND ALMOST TOUCHES THE FENCE.
THEY'D HAVE TO GET STRAIGHTENED OUT.
BUT THAT MAY BE A WAY TO GET OUT OF THE BUS AND PICK UP LI LINES ON THAT ROAD.
AND IT'S STILL CONNECTING UP TO THE LIGHT.
I STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
THERE'S TOO MANY SCHOOL BUSES.
THERE'S TOO MANY CARS AND THERE'S TOO MANY CARS GOING THERE.
UH, BUT STILL THERE'S KIDS OUT THERE, THERE, THERE'LL BE KIDS RUNNING, PLAYING AND EVERYTHING.
AND I'M JUST TOTALLY AGAINST I GOT YOU.
BUT TO THAT, I DON'T, THERE'S NO SCHOOL BUSES THAT GO BEHIND THERE.
THE SCHOOL BUSES GO, THEY COME FROM THE FRONT.
THERE'S SCHOOL BUSES THAT I SEE EVERY DAY TO THAT COME FROM THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DOWN HERE.
I HAVEN'T SEEN IT UP TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AND THEY'RE ALSO GOING BACK HERE FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL KIDS.
AND I YEAH, I KNOW ABOUT THAT.
I'VE ALSO, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS THROUGH ALL THE WAY FROM LIME.
I'VE BEEN ON THAT ROAD WHERE THE BUSES ARE STOPPED ON THE ROAD.
THE OTHER THING TOO, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS WALK FROM HERE, I SEE THEM WALKING ALL THE WAY TO THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE DOWN.
IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S JUST A HUGE SAFETY PROBLEM.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON THE CITY TO FIX IT, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A CONCERN.
WELL, THAT'S WHY THE SCHOOL DOESN'T, DOESN'T WANT IT.
WELL, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A JOINT THING WHERE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD TAKE ON A PEDESTRIAN WALK, WOULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF SAFETY, SOME TYPE OF SAFETY BEAR THEY TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPOSED EXCHANGE AND THEN CITY TAKE OVER THE TRAFFIC SIDE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT.
IS THAT, YEAH, I THINK IT COULD BE, IF YOU DID IT RIGHT AND YOU GOT CREATIVE, LIKE RICK'S TRYING TO BE, THERE'S A WAY TO DESIGN IT IN A WAY WHERE IT COULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE CITY, BUT ALSO SAFE FOR THE ISD.
BUT I, I DO THINK IT SHOULD BE ON THE CIP BUT THERE'S NOT EVEN ENOUGH LAND TO MAKE IT ONE LANE GOING EACH DIRECTION AND THE SIDEWALK.
IF WE DON'T DO THIS, THEN WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? THE SAFETY ISSUE IS GONNA STILL RIGHT.
SO WHY DON'T WE AT LEAST TRY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION? WELL, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE GET THE CITY TO WORK WITH ISD YEAH.
TO COME UP WITH A FEASIBILITY, NOT A FINAL DESIGN OR EVEN ITS CONCEPT.
BUT JUST THE FEASIBILITY OR SHARE COSTS WHERE ISD FOCUSES ON THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
THAT CONVERSATION CITY HU FOCUSES ON THE, THE VEHICLE.
TRAFFIC AND THEN TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE BUSES FROM AGAIN, VEHICLE TRAFFIC, BUT FROM THE ISD SIDE AND SEE IF THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR OUR SOLUTION.
AND THEN TO GO FURTHER AND SPEND MORE MONEY, OTHERWISE DON'T SPEND ANY EXTRA, A LOT OF MONEY.
I WOULD TAKE IT ONE STEP FURTHER.
THEN IT'S EITHER UP TO THE CITY OR THE SCHOOL TO MAIL EVERY SINGLE HOUSE IN THAT SUBDIVISION.
EVERY SINGLE HOUSE IN THAT AREA.
A LETTER STATING, THIS IS OUR PLAN.
I STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT I, WELL, WHATEVER THE 600 FEET, THAT'S 200 FEET FOR THE, NO, NO, NOT 200 FEET.
EVERY KID THAT LIVES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, EVERY HOUSE SHOULD BE NOTIFIED.
EVERY KID OR EVERY HOUSE, EVERY HOME.
BUT EVERY HOME AND SPEND MORE MONEY FINDING OUT WHO, WHERE THE KIDS AT.
SO CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO ADD, I'M JUST GONNA CALL IT EXCHANGE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO CALL THIS NEW EXCHANGE.
SO WELL, LET, LET ME, LET ME HEAR CHERYL, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD EXCHANGE TO THE CIP AND THERE YOU GO.
AS T 78 DASH 20 XX WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT THE CITY WILL JOIN THE ISD AND DISCUSSION REGARDING FEASIBILITY OR EXPANSION.
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EXPANSION FEASIBILITY.SO ADD EXCHANGE THROUGH THE ISD 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY OTHER PIECE OF EXCHANGE.
EXCHANGE THROUGH THE ISD FEASIBILITY.
IS THAT OKAY, MATT? OR WHAT YOU NEED? I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT YEAR YOU WANT TO DO IT IN.
I AM GOING TO, SO I THINK WE NEED TO ADD IT FIRST.
SO DO I HAVE A SECOND? NOBODY WANTS TO SECOND.
MY THOUGHT IS IT CAN'T HURT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE IN CPI THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE THE, THE CONVERSATION BEFORE IT CO GOES INTO THE CPI THINK THIS KIND OF FORCES THEM TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE OTHERWISE WHAT, WHAT MOTIVATE THE, MOTIVATE THEM TO DO IT.
WE STILL GOTTA PUT IT ON THERE.
IN YOUR, THE COMMENTS THAT YOU PROVIDE TO COUNSEL FROM P AND Z, CAN IT BE INCLUDED IN THE COUNCIL COMMENTS THAT THE GOAL IS FOR THEM TO INITIATE A CONVERSATION WITH THE ISD TO DISCUSS THIS? THIS ISN'T US SAYING THAT THIS IS LIKE A DEFINITIVE THING THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO TAKE ON.
I JUST WANT THEM TO UNDERSTAND OUR INTENT MM-HMM
SO WITH THAT SAID, UH, THE MOTION IS AT EXCHANGE THROUGH THE ISD, UH, FEASIBILITY AND CHECK THE FEASIBILITY WITH THE ISD MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER STEWART SECOND, UH, BY MYSELF AND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON IT.
WHERE DO WE PUT IT? UH, AS FAR AS THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, I THINK SINCE WE'RE GOING TO BE WRAPPING UP THE, THE LIGHT, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL IN 25 FY 25, LET'S DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY IN 26.
AND, YOU KNOW, CALL IT, I DON'T KNOW, 50,000.
A HUNDRED THOUSAND AND I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER.
PUT THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND
LET'S IMAGINE THAT TO THE NEXT ITEM.
WHAT DO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT NEXT? UH, SO YOU HAVE TWO MORE OLD TOWN.
YOU HAVE LIVE OAK AND YOU HAVE OLD TOWN LIVE OAK EXTENSION.
I ASSUME THAT'S OVER TO, UH,
NO, NO, THAT'S FROM EXCHANGE TO, UH, EDGE SCH SMITH.
CAN WE REALLY DO ANYTHING WITH THAT? I MEAN, WASN'T THAT DEPENDENT ON THE WELL, THAT'S WHY THE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON INTERSECTION.
SO HOW, HOW, WHAT WOULD WE GO FROM, HOW FAR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ROUGHLY? IT WOULD GO FROM THE CURRENT END OF LIVE OAK RIGHT.
THAT'S FROM THE, THAT'S FROM THE, SO I GO FROM THAT VIEW TO HERE.
NOBODY'S WHO'S USING IT? WHAT WAS THAT? MY THOUGHT IS WHO'S USING THAT? WHO'S GONNA USE IT? IS THERE A NEED FOR IT RIGHT NOW? THERE, THERE, THERE WILL BE.
ONE THING, DO WE NEED IT ON THE CIP LIST TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN ASK DEVELOPERS TO BUILD IT BECAUSE OF THE NEW STATE LAW? THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I I WAS GOING ON THERE.
PUT IT ON THERE, THEN PUT IT ON THERE.
YEAH, THAT, THAT ONE I THINK WE JUST NEED TO FREE UP.
PUT $15.7321 MILLION IN 2030 IN 2030 IN 20 CENTS
PUT IT, PUT IT DOWN FOR A BUCK.
I'D GIVE YOU ABOUT TWO 50 RIGHT NOW IF I HAD IT.
YOU WANT IT, WHAT, 2030? YEAH.
CAN I JUST MAKE THE MOTION SO WE CAN KEEP THIS PARTY GOING? SURE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
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ADD LI OAK EXTENSION TO THE CIP UNDER T 79 FROM END TO EDGE.LI VOTE TO EXTENSION FROM, UM, AND I ABOUT TO AFTER YOU SECONDED IT
UH, AND, UH, TONY, THERE WE GO.
SO WE GOT A MOTION TO ADD LIVE OAK EXTENSION FROM THE END TO EDGE MIT BOULEVARD BY COMMISSIONER STEWART, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER WATZ.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, THEN I'LL CALL FOR VOTE.
ALRIGHT, LAST ONE IS THE OLD TOWN STUFF.
ARE YOU WANTING TO PUT ALL OF OLD TOWN IN ONE CIP OR ARE YOU WANTING IT BROKEN UP? WASN'T THE OLD TOWN THE FEASIBILITY AND GETTING EVERYTHING MAPPED OUT? YEAH.
DID YOU UNDERSTAND? WELL THAT WHAT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER ABOUT, BUT THEN WE SAID THAT WE WERE GONNA PHASE IT AND SO THEN WE WERE GOING TO JUST FOCUS ON PHASING RATHER THAN DOING MAPPING AND THEN RATING AND THEN DOING DESIGN AND THEN RATING AND THEN DOING CONSTRUCTION.
WELL, I THINK WHAT RICK BROUGHT UP ABOUT DOING THE, THE, THE MAPPING.
THE MAPPING IS DEFINITELY WE HAVE WHAT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ASAP, I MEAN, AS, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE IN MY OPINION.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, SO LIKE I SAID, COUNCIL WANTED ME TO DO PHASE ONE OF OLD TOWN WHERE THEY GET EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR AND I'M DOING MM-HMM
WEST MAIN AND EAST FROM 79 TO LIBO.
FROM WHAT TO WHAT? TO WHAT? WEST MAIN AND EAST WEST MAIN EAST 79 PECAN LIVE OAK.
THAT'S ALL THE COMMERCIAL, THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING.
IS THAT'S WHAT I, FOR ME, THAT WAS LOW HANGING FRUIT.
IT WAS EASY FOR ME TO SAY THAT'S PHASE ONE.
BECAUSE THAT'S ALMOST ALL OF THE STUFF THAT WE KNOW IS COMMERCIAL TODAY.
AND WHAT IS THE, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO IT? IT'S STREETS OR, YEAH.
WHAT, WHAT ARE THEY, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT'S GOOD IN THIS? THEY WANT EVERYTHING.
THEY WANT ALL, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THEY WANNA TO FIX THE DRAINAGE.
SO THEY ADD SIDEWALKS, THEY WANT ON STREET PARKING.
SO, WHICH MEANS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT ONE WAY STREETS IN THAT AREA.
SO, UH, I DON'T SEE HOW WE ARE GOING TO GET ALL OF THAT PARKING ON THE STREET.
SEE HOW WE'RE GONNA GET ALL OF THAT.
SO YOU, YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN TASKED WITH THAT, RIGHT, MATT? YEAH.
IS THAT ALREADY ON THE CIP? IT'S NOT.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I, I THINK WE NEED TO ADD THAT ONTO THE CIP JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN TASKED WITH IT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADD THAT TO THE CIPI SECOND, UH, THAT.
SO, AND MATT, REPEAT THE STREETS BECAUSE, WELL, I'M, I'M JUST ADD OLD TOWN.
SINCE, SINCE THAT'S WHAT OLD TOWN AND I'M JUST, SORRY, I'M GONNA BE A LITTLE INFORMAL HERE.
BY TONY AND WHO SECONDED LIKE SECONDARY? YEAH.
THAT'S SCENE PUTTING YOUR FEET ON EACH OTHER.
DO I HAVE TO SEPARATE? IT WAS HIM, IT WAS THIS LONG.
OKAY, SO REALLY ARE, SO LET'S KEEP IT SIMPLE.
UH, WE'LL DO THAT ONE AS PHASE ONE.
UH, ALTHOUGH ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? WHAT'S IN PHASE ONE? WHAT ARE WE SAYING IN PHASE ONE? SO, MATT'S, MATT'S, MATT'S THE STUFF THAT MATT WAS TASKED WITH DRAINAGE, WHICH IS ON STREET PARKING.
WHAT WOULD BE PHASE TWO? WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK NEXT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK NEXT.
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ON THE PHASE ONE? ALL RIGHT, THERE'S, LET'S CALL FOR VOTE.ALL IN FAVOR OF ADDING OLD TOWN MATT'S TASKING AS PHASE ONE.
THE LIGHT EVER GETS THE CRISIS TELLING.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXACTLY.
I DUNNO WHAT THE WHOLE PHASE TWO IS.
SO WHY DID, I'M GONNA SLIDE IN HERE.
SO WE JUST SAID LET'S DO EAST MAINE AND WEST TO INCLUDE FARLEY PECON UP TO LIVE OAK.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THESE SIX BLOCKS RIGHT HERE.
SO PHASE TWO SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE ELSE TALKING ABOUT STREETS.
WELL, I WOULD THINK PHASE TWO SHOULD BE THE OTHER BLUE OVER HERE.
AND WHY IS THAT? I'M JUST CURIOUS, TONY.
UH, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S MORE TRANSIT, IT'S MORE COMMERCIAL AND FA THAT AREA THAN THERE IS IN THE ORANGE.
UH, SO BLUE IS TRANSITION WHERE IT COULD BE EITHER RESIDENTIAL OR IT CAN CONVERT TO OFFICE IN SOME COMMERCIAL USE.
BUT WHY IS HE PRIORITIZING BLUE IS MY QUESTION.
OH, BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE IT'S COMMERCIAL.
'CAUSE IT CAN GO IS IS ZONE COMMERCIAL AND THEY WANT PARKING THERE, THEY WON'T PARKING ON THE, AND AND HERE HERE'S KIND OF THE METHOD TO MY MADNESS.
IF WE MAKE OUR, IF WE MAKE OUR COMMERCIAL AREA MORE APPEASING, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BRING MORE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN.
SO METHOD TO MY MADNESS IS IF WE EXTEND IT OUT INTO THE BLUE FOR PHASE TWO.
NOW PHASE ONE IS MAYBE ON STREET PARKING AND THE ONE WAY AND SO ON, AND WE DO THE SAME THING HERE, BUT THE RESIDENTS HAVE SAID THEY DON'T WANT ON STREET PARKING IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY AND THEY DON'T WANT, SO NOW WHEN WE START DOING THE ORANGES OF PHASE THREE AND FOUR, WE DON'T INCLUDE THAT.
SO I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF DOING THE WHAT? 20 SAID
LET ME, BECAUSE IF WE, IF WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM TDOT IS THEY'RE DOING THE FEASIBILITY STUDY OF 79 MM-HMM
FROM 35 TO 95 OR WHATEVER IT IS.
AND THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK AND THEY'RE GONNA SAY, YOU NEED TO WIDEN 79.
YOU CAN'T WIDEN IT SOUTH, YOU GOTTA GO NORTH.
RIGHT? SO IF THEY'RE GOING TO, WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT FOR US TO DO ALL OF THAT WORK IF IT'S TO MAKE THIS ALL FANCY AND CUTE WHEN TXDOT IS GONNA GO IN AND FORCE THESE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH.
SO I THINK THAT'S COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.
YOU GOTTA POINT, BUT THAT'S 10 TO 15 YEARS AWAY.
BUT WE HAVE TO DO A, A STUDY AND KNOW WHAT'S THERE BEFORE WE CAN, UH, IN MY OPINION, BEFORE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE JUST DID IN PHASE ONE, WHY AREN'T WE DOING IT IF OVER HERE AND MAKING IT IN PHASE TWO TO KEEP IT ALL TOGETHER THE SAME.
AND IF IT COMES DOWN THAT TEXDOT DECIDES WE'RE GOING HAVE TO TEAR DOWN ALL THIS STUFF, WE TEAR IT DOWN.
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA DO ANY WORK THERE.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T, THEY'LL BUY IT.
ANYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE, WE JUST SHORTEN THE SOUTHERNMOST BLOCKS.
BASICALLY, AS LONG AS WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, THAT TEXTILE WILL PROBABLY COME IN AND TEAR IT UP ANYWAYS THEN.
NO, I IN ABOUT 10, 20 YARDS HERE.
HERE'S THE THING, CHERYL, IF TEXTILES WANTS TO COME IN AND BUY IT, THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT.
AND NO MAYOR, NO CITY MANAGER IS GONNA STOP HIM.
I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT AT ALL.
FOR ME, I DON'T KNOW THE TIMING OF ANY OF THIS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF TXDOT IS GONNA COME IN AND WE DON'T KNOW.
AND I DON'T KNOW EITHER WHEN WE'RE GONNA, IT COULD BE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.
SO I WOULD HATE TO SEE US GO IN AND MAKE THESE CHANGES IN 10 YEARS AND IN 12 YEARS, TECH STOCK GOES IN AND TEARS IT UP.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO, THAT, THAT IF YOU ADD SIDEWALKS, IF YOU ADD SIDEWALKS AND YOU ADD ALL THAT TO THE PROPERTY, IT INCREASES THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY THAT TECH DOS WILL PAY MORE MONEY ALSO.
YOU'VE GOTTA KEEP THAT IN MIND.
BUT DO I WANNA USE A TAX DOLLAR TO HELP THAT PROPERTY OWNER SELL THEIR PROPERTY FOR MORE MONEY? NOT NECESSARILY.
WELL, AND I, I ABSOLUTELY SEE YOUR POINT.
AND I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH, I DON'T
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WANT TO FUND THEIR, WELL, I DON'T EITHER, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.THE WAY I SEE FA THE WAY I SEE IT IS THERE'S, THE WAY I SEE IT IS FOUR PHASES.
AND NUMBER TWO, THREE AND FOUR ARE COMPLETELY INTERCHANGEABLE.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH HOW I SEE IT.
AND, AND I'M NOT BEING A FINANCE, THIS IS A TRANSITION.
SO WE CAN DO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT STUFF BECAUSE IT IS COMMERCIAL POTENTIAL THAN WE CAN WITH THE RESIDENTIALS.
THE, THE, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A SA SMART ASS.
NO, BUT I, I MEAN I COULD TURN AROUND AND SAY THE SAME THING.
I DON'T WANT MY TAX DOLLARS PAYING FOR SIDEWALKS FOR THOSE HOMES.
I DON'T WANT MY TAX DOLLARS PAYING BACK.
DO YOU KNOW HOW THEY USED TO DO IT A LONG TIME AGO? EVERYBODY'S THAT LIVED IN THE HOUSE, THEY PAID FOR THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE.
I REMEMBER DAD PAYING, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WHAT I'M SAYING.
I CAN, IT STILL THE SAME WAY JUST COMES OUTTA THE DEVELOPER, BUT IT'S NOT THE SAME ARGUMENT.
WE'RE IMPROVING THEIR PROPERTY.
JUST LIKE YOU'RE IMPROVING THIS PROPERTY, YOU'RE IMPROVING IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT A SIDEWALK, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT A SIDEWALK ON THAT, I'M SORRY ON THAT PROPERTY.
IT'S GONNA COST YOU JUST AS MUCH MONEY TO PUT ONE RIGHT HERE.
SO YOU'RE IMPROVING THIS HOMEOWNER'S PROPERTY, AREN'T YOU? PUT A SIDEWALK THERE.
YOU A SIDEWALK THERE, YOU'RE IMPROVING THEIR PROPERTY.
BUT, BUT WAIT, SAME DIFFERENCE.
LET'S, IT'S THE SAME DIFFERENCE, TONY.
LET'S KILL THAT ARGUMENT BECAUSE YES, IT IS JUST TWO DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW.
IT'S NOT MOVING US FORWARD ON THIS.
I DID NOT MEAN TO HIT THAT THAT HARD.
I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS LIKE THAT
SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M THINKING.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT FOUR PHASES IN THIS AREA.
AND YOU'RE USING LIVE OAK TO SEPARATE YOUR PHASES.
WELL YEAH, BECAUSE THAT IS THE LIMIT OF DIVIDING LINE.
MAKES SENSE OF THIS PHASE ONE.
SO WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? DO WE, DO YOU GUYS LIKE THAT IDEA? FOUR PHASES? NO, THAT WOULD, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT, YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME TOO.
BUT WHAT SOUNDS LIKE, JUST TO SUMMARIZE IS THAT THE, THE FOUR CRITERIA THAT MATT'S WORKING WITH IS THIS PARKING ON THE STREET, WALKING, REGARDLESS OF WHAT PHASE? PARKING ON THE STREET, THE WALKING IN SIDEWALKS.
OR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, DRAINAGE AND THEN ONE WAY FOR CARS.
AND THEN THE FOUR PHASES WOULD BE JUST GEOGRAPHICALLY SEPARATING WHAT THAT IS.
AND THEN, AND THEN WITHIN THOSE PHASES, THESE FOUR CRITERIA OR FIVE WHATEVER ADD TO IT.
A SUBSET OF THESE WOULD BE APPLIED TO EACH ONE OF THE PHASES.
AT THE, AT THE MATS AND THE CITY COUNCIL'S DISCRETION ON WHAT HIS REQUIREMENTS ARE.
HIS ASKING FOR PHASE ONE IS PRETTY CLEAR EVERYTHING.
BUT YOU MAY NOT NEED THAT IN OF YOUR OTHER PHASES, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MAY BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE.
WITH CONSOLE AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, NONE OF THESE PEOPLE WANT PARKING IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE ZONING ENOUGH TO ADDRESS IT.
LET NOT, LET'S NOT DO ON STREET PARKING.
AND THIS JUST THIS DEFINING THE FOUR GEOGRAPHIC ERROR.
I'M TRYING TO MOVE THINGS ALONG.
NOW YOU KNOW, ONE THING YOU COULD PUT OUT TO THE PEOPLE IS YOU GET YOUR CHOICE EITHER ONE WAY STREETS OR PARKING.
BECAUSE IF YOU DO A ONE WAY STREET, THEN YOU CAN PUT PARKING ON.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE AS A STITCH, THERE'LL BE A LITTLE PIECE OF ONE WAY AND THEN PARKING A LITTLE STITCH A ONE WAY, THEN THE CITY ON THE SAME STREET.
THE CITY BASICALLY IS EVERYTHING THEY WANT.
IS THERE ANY PREFERENCE, ANY LOGICAL SEQUENCE WE SHOULD DO MATT? AS FAR AS A GEOGRAPHIC 2, 3, 4 OR 2, 3, 4, 2, WHATEVER.
I DON'T REALLY, WELL CAN'T WE USE LIKE THE NORTH AND SOUTHEASTERN WEST TO DIVIDE? YES.
SO WEST LIVE OAK DIVIDE NORTH AND SOUTH.
AND 1660 DIVIDES EASTERN WEST.
UH, PECAN WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE ON THIS ONE THAN LIVE OAK.
BUT THAT WOULD BE TWO I AGREE WITH.
YOU COULD KEEP LIVE OAK THAT WAY.
IT'S JUST STRAIGHT UP STRAIGHT ACROSS 1660 AND LIVE OAK THAT WAS PUT IN FOUR QUARTERS AND THEN YOU'RE GOOD.
I WAS JUST LOOKING AT IT LIKE THESE ARE HOUSES.
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PRIVATE RESIDENCES.IF THEY GO WITH THE NON UH, NON-PAR OPTION, THEN WE'VE GOT A CLEAR DE DEMARCATION.
BUT SO LIKE I HAVE A QUESTION.
UHHUH
SO LOOKING AT THAT HOUSE THAT'S ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF LIVE OAK AND WEST.
BUT EVERY OTHER HOUSE BETWEEN THAT ONE AND 1660 IS ORANGE.
SO WHAT IS THE PROBABILITY THAT THOSE OTHER FIVE LOTS WILL GO BLUE? OH, PRETTY GOOD.
THEY COULD AND YEAH, LIKE MANNY SAID, THAT IS, I DON'T THINK IT'S ACTUALLY AN, UM, I THINK IT WAS ALWAYS BLUE JUST BECAUSE IT WAS AN EMPTY LOT AND I JUST FIGURED THAT'LL PROBABLY HAPPEN.
YOU KIND OF GOT THE SAME THING ON UP ON THE NEXT BLOCK.
ONE BLUE WITH, BUT I LIKE THE FOUR, THE FOUR GEOGRAPHICAL QUADRANTS AND THEN LET MATT KIND OF MAKE THE FINE TUNING.
OF WHICH STREET AND WHICH LOT, WHICH LOT MAKES SENSE BASED ON HIS CRITERIA THAT HE'S GUNNING FOR.
WITH IT CITY COUNCIL YOU COULD DO IT PRETTY EASY AND MAKE IT THREE.
JUST TAKE BLUE AND THE YELLOW THE SECOND PART.
SO THAT'S ONE, THAT'S TWO AND THAT'S THREE.
I MEAN YOU COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
MATT, I THINK MATT DECIDES KIND OF WHAT MAKES SENSE GIVEN CRITERIA TWO OR THREE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS.
HOW MANY OF YOU WANT, MATT? HOW DO YOU WANT ONE LOT BE HERE ALL NIGHT TOO.
WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU MATT.
WHAT? IT WILL COST YOU SOME MONEY.
I PROPOSE THAT MATT COMES BACK.
I PROPOSE THAT MATT COMES BACK WITH A, WITH A, A DEMARCATION PLAN FOR PHASE 1, 2, 3, 4.
AND THEN IT JUST SAID FOUR SPLIT 1660 LIVE OAK.
DO YOU NEED ANYTHING? 'CAUSE OLD TOWN IS TECHNICALLY ALSO SOUTH.
DO YOU WANT ANYTHING ON THE SOUTH SIDE? YES.
THIS IS, THIS IS ALSO, THAT'S STILL CONSIDERED.
FIVE TO THE MAPS THAT ARE IN THE COMP PLANT.
OH, THEY DEFINED IT DIFFERENTLY.
MAYBE THAT IS THE 1911 ON THAT ONE.
BECAUSE WE DID THE OREGON DISTRICT AND SOMETHING ELSE ON SOUTH SIDE OLD TOWN.
WE DON'T HAVE, IT WAS DEFINED DIFFERENTLY IN THE COMP PLAN.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FACING IT ON.
SO THAT'S ALWAYS, THAT WAS OLD TOWN FOUR IN WHATEVER ORDER.
OBVIOUSLY THE SOUTHWEST WILL LET YOU CHOOSE FIRST PHASE, RIGHT?
SO I'M, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TRY THIS MOTION.
LET'S, LET'S, OH, WE'RE GONNA ADD HAD, UH, T EIGHT ZERO L CHANNEL FOUR, FOUR SECTIONS.
WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE MAPPING'S ALREADY BEING DONE, RIGHT? UTILITY, THE UTILITY MAPPING FOR THE, THE UTILITY MAPPING'S ALREADY BEING DONE FOR OLD TOWN OR OH NO.
I'M COMING UP WITH A CONCEPT TO TAKE THE CITY COUNCIL FOR PHASE ONE OF OLD TOWN.
IT'S NOT, NOT ON THE GROUND SURVEY.
I'VE GOT AERIAL IMAGERY S I'VE GOT GIS LEVEL PARCEL DATA.
AND SO I'M BASING EVERYTHING OFF OF GIS DATA TO COME UP WITH A CONCEPT PLAN.
SO THAT WE CAN DETERMINE THE PATH FORWARD.
AND THEN ONCE WE DETERMINE THE PATH FORWARD, THEN WE GO TO FULL BLOWN DESIGN ON THE GROUND SURVEY DATA COLLECTION.
MATT, HOW MUCH ROOM DOES IT REQUIRE TO, FOR THE STREETS TO, IN ORDER TO PUT SIDEWALKS?
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IF, IF YOU WERE TO PUT SIDEWALKS 16, 16 AND PARKING IN TWO LANES, ONE EACH WAY, HOW MUCH, HOW, HOW WIDE OF STREET ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? FROM SIDEWALK TO SIDEWALK? WHAT KIND OF PARKING? PARALLEL PARKING, 90 DEGREE, 30 DEGREE, 45 DEGREE.MY DEGREE WILL GET YOU MORE SPACES.
BUT YOU HAVE YOUR BED, YOU HAVE YOUR BUDDY IN STICKING OUT IN THE ROAD.
EACH LANE, UH, WOULD NEED TO BE MINIMUM OF 10, PROBABLY PREFERABLY 11 FEET WISE, 22 FEET TRAVEL LANES.
YOUR PARALLEL PARKING NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST EIGHT OR EIGHT AND A HALF FEET WIDE.
SO IF YOU'RE DOING IT ON BOTH SIDES, THEN THAT'S 30, SAY 17 EXTRA FEET.
I THINK WE FIGURED OUT IT'S LIKE 53 WHEN WE WERE DOING LIVE OAK.
AND THEN SINCE WE'RE IN DOWNTOWN, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND TREE LAWNS.
SO I WOULD JUST DO SIDEWALK STRAIGHT TO THE BACK OF THE CURB AND STRAIGHT UP TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA STILL WANT A LITTLE BIT WIDER SIDEWALKS.
SO PROBABLY SIX FOOT MINIMUM 60.
WHAT DO WE HAVE THERE NOW? WHAT ARE THE STREETS NOW ROUGHLY? POLE TO POLE? THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT.
UM, SOME OF THEM ARE IN THE FORTIES, SOME OF THEM ARE MORE THAN 15.
SO, SO BASICALLY NO MATTER WHAT, YOU'RE GONNA END UP TAKING PART OF THE HOMEOWNER'S, YOU THINK YOU PART TAKE PART OF THE HOMEOWNER'S PROPERTY? OR WOULD IT JUST BE THE EASEMENT OR ARE THERE EASEMENTS THERE EVEN? I MEAN IT'S BEING OLD, AS OLD AS IT WAS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAD EASEMENTS BACK THEN.
THEY HAVE TELEPHONE TO TELEPHONE.
AND THEY DEFINITELY HAVE CULVERTS.
WELL, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT IS THE CULVERT THEIR PROPERTY OR IS IT UH, RIGHT AWAY OR EASEMENT OR WHAT? CULVERTS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
I DIDN'T KNOW HOW THEY, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW THEY DID A LONG TIME AGO.
A LOT OF THOSE, A LOT OF THOSE HOMES IN OLD TOWN WERE ALLOWED TO BUILD RIGHT UP TO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THERE WAS NO BUILDING SETBACKS STUFF REQUIRED.
SO LIKE, ESPECIALLY ON MY BOOK, I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE, THERE ARE HOUSES.
THEIR GARAGE DOOR OPENS TO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
I I THINK I KNOW A COUPLE OF HOUSES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE OF THOSE ON.
SO IF I, IF I NEED ANY ADDITIONAL, YOU FALL ON MY BOOK ROOM FOR ANYTHING LIKE EVEN A FOOT OR TWO, I'M TAKING OUT THEIR LIVE OAK GARAGE.
TAKE IT OUT WITH THE NEW GARAGE.
BE CAREFUL WHAT THEY WISH FOR THAT.
UH, SO I WANT TO MOVE TO ADD PHASE TWO THROUGH PHASE FOUR OF OLD TOWN STREETS WITH QUADRANTS 1660 BEING THE NORTH SOUTH DIVIDER AND LIVE OAK BEING THE EAST WEST DIVIDER SECOND.
AND THEN WE WILL PLUG THAT IN TO A YEAR ON THE CIP IF IT PASSES.
SO ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? I THINK WE BEAT THAT ONE TO DEATH.
HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT? YOU CAN TAKE THE DAY OFF.
NOW WE HAVE TO DO THAT TO DRAIN LIST.
THEY KNOW I WAS TRYING TO H THIS ALONG.
DRAINAGE IS NOT NEARLY AS MANY.
DRAINAGE ALL LOOK, THE END IS IN SIGHT.
DRAINAGE ZERO ONE IS, UH, LEGENDS IS HUDDLE DRAINAGE.
SO THE FIRST PHASE OF THAT IS IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW AND SHOULD BE IN CONSTRUCTION, UH, BY THE END OF THE SUMMER.
AND THEN, AND THAT'S FULLY FUNDED.
UH, I WENT AHEAD AND TOOK IT UPON MYSELF TO ADD PHASES TWO AND THREE.
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UP FOR DEBATE.CAN YOU, DO YOU HAVE A MAP? CAN YOU SHOW ME WHICH DRAINAGE, STITCHES AND LEGENDS YOU'RE TALKING MAP? LEMME SEE IF I CAN, THAT YOU CAN TELL HE'S WORKED A COMPUTER A TIME OR TWO AIN'T RIGHT.
UH, THAT MAP MIGHT WORK, BUT I THINK I CAN FIND IT BETTER.
IS IT ONE DITCH TWO DISH? UH, NO, THERE'S ACTUALLY LIKE ZONES TWO DITCH FOUR.
WE'RE NEARING ON EIGHT 15 HOURS.
MY DAY STARTED AT 4:00 AM SO OH MY GOD.
WELL I'VE BEEN UP SINCE THREE.
SO THIS ISN'T A COMPETITION MAN.
THIS TELLS YOU WHERE PHASE ONE IS.
SO THAT DOESN'T WHAT, WHAT STREETS ARE THOSE? THAT'S 16.
THAT'S, UH, CARL STERN CUTTING THROUGH THE MIDDLE.
RICHARD CAMPOS RICHARDS CARL STERN.
UM, IS IS, CAN I ASK, IS THERE A REASON WHY THOSE STITCHES WERE CHOSEN OVER THE ONES THAT ARE THERE WHERE THE CURSOR IS? UH, THOSE ARE WORSE IN WORSE SHAPE THAN THOSE UP THERE.
IT WAS BECAUSE OF, AND THIS IS TO IMPROVE DRAINAGE IN THOSE AREAS.
WOULD, I MEAN THAT'S FINE THAT YOU'RE DOING IT, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS.
WOULD IT BE WATER FLOW FROM NORTH TO SOUTH? MAYBE.
I THINK IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT, UH, THEY NEEDED TO FIX THIS DETENTION POND FIRST.
AND THIS PHASE DUMPS DIRECTLY INTO IT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY CHOSE IT TO DO IT THIS WAY.
AND I THINK THIS IS PHASE TWO DOWN HERE.
AND I THINK THIS IS PHASE THREE UP HERE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
WHAT STREET IS THAT AGAIN? THAT'S UH, IS THAT HERRERA? THE PINK AT THE BOTTOM? THAT RIGHT THERE.
Y'ALL, Y'ALL KNOW WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING.
CAN I ASK YOU, WERE THERE SURVEYORS OUT IN THE, IN THE DITCHES ABOUT A FEW WEEKS AGO? DO YOU KNOW? I KNOW WE HAD STAFF OUT IN THE DITCHES A FEW WEEKS AGO.
DO THEY WEAR HARD HATS? PROBABLY.
JUST THAT A RESIDENT CALLED ME AND ASKED ME IF I KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
THEY SAID, WELL, THEY WERE VERY RUDE.
AND I GO, WHY WERE THEY RUDE? THEY WOULDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.
I SAID, WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
THEY WERE FLIPPING ROCKS SO THEY COULD GET THE OTHER SIDE TAN.
THEY PROBABLY, I MEAN, UH, I THINK MAYBE WE WERE DOING SOME AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS ONE OF THE, THE WHERE THEY LIVE IS ON CURLY, SO THE DITCH BEHIND CURLY IS WHERE THEY WERE.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN SURVEY, IT COULD HAVE BEEN GEOTECH, COULD HAVE BEEN STAFF.
WE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WORKING.
WELL I DO HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE SPACING OF THE, BECAUSE
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YOU GOT ONE AT 26, 1 AT 27 AND THAT'S IT, RIGHT? NO, I HAVE ONE AT 25.SO IS THAT, IS THAT REALISTIC AS FAR AS UH, BEING ABLE TO GET THE CREWS OUT THERE AND GET IT ALL SURVEYED? AND SO WE STARTED, I KNOW, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG ONGOING PROCESS TO GET TO THE 25 POINT.
THAT'S WHY WE STARTED DESIGN IN 20, IN JANUARY OF 25.
WE'RE GONNA BE IN CONSTRUCTION BY LIKE AUGUST.
SO THEN WE UH, THEORETICAL WE CAN START DESIGN OF PHASE TWO IN OCTOBER AND BE IN CONSTRUCTION AND THEN START PHASE THREE IN THE NEXT OCTOBER AND BE IN CONSTRUCTION.
THEN I LIKE HOW THAT'S LAID OUT.
THERE'LL BE A LOT OF HAPPY PEOPLE IN MY SUBDIVISION.
WELL THEN IT'S ALL ABOUT YOU AND LEGENDS.
WHAT WAS THAT? IT'S ALL ABOUT YOU AND LEGENDS MAY NOT AS HAPPY AS THEY THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE.
I ONLY WORKED NINE YEARS ON GETTING THE CITY TECH BACK OVER
ALL THE REST OF THESE ARE FROM THE NEWLY APPROVED DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS, WHAT IS THAT D ZERO SIX IS THE ONLY ONE SHOWING UP IN 27.
WHAT IS THAT? LORD? IT'S ONLY 540 PAGES.
AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGES IT'S ON.
WELL WE JUST APPROVED THIS THING LIKE A WEEK AGO.
WE HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO MEMORIZE IT YET.
YOU SHOULD MEMORIZED IT IN ONE DAY.
I WAS TOTALLY, HE HAD A PHOTOGENIC MEMORY ANYWAY.
OH, PHOTOGENIC OR PHOTOGRAPHIC.
THAT IS SOUTH FORK MUSTANG CREEK.
SO I'M THINKING IT'S UP NORTH, BUT YEAH, MUSTANG CREEK UP NORTH.
THIS RIGHT HERE IS C ZERO TWO.
OH, I THOUGHT IT WAS THE BIG PURPLE ONE GOING DOWN THE NO.
SO WHY WAS THAT PRIORITIZED DIFFERENTLY WITH THE MONEY? YEAH.
UH, I THINK I PUT THAT ONE IN THAT YEAR BECAUSE IT'S RELATIVELY LOW COST AND UM, LEMME ZOOM IN.
YOU CAN SEE IT TAKES ALL, ALL OF THESE HOUSES ARE GONNA GET ADDED TO THE FLOODPLAIN IF WE DON'T DO THE PROJECT.
AND BY DOING THE PROJECT, WE TAKE ALL OF THOSE HOUSES BACK OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN.
ADD TO THE VALUE OF AN INDIVIDUAL WHAT
UH, SO WE DIDN'T DO THE COTTONWOOD CREEKS BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A LONG STRETCH THROUGH ALL TOWN.
THAT'S GONNA BE A LONG DRAWN OUT PROCESS.
UM, AND WHAT IS UH, BRUSHY CREEK TRIBUTARY 7.1.
I THINK IT'S THE CO FOUR, BUT LET ME DOUBLE CHECK.
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I CAN'T IT RAIN ALREADY.HUH? I'M JUST TALKING CO FOUR BRUSHY CREEK.
SO CO FOUR IS, OH, THERE WE GO.
AGAIN, YOU'RE ADDING ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES TO THE FLOODPLAIN.
AND WE WOULD TAKE THEM ALL RIGHT BACK OUT.
PLUS THIS IS THE CHANNEL THAT THE HIGH SCHOOL IS ALWAYS COMPLAINING ABOUT AND EVERYBODY WHO LIVES OVER HERE.
'CAUSE IT'S ALWAYS COMPLAINING ABOUT I DO.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT BRUSHY CREEK TRIBUTARY 7.1 AND 7.2 AND I DON'T KNOW ALL THOSE.
AND UH, THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE ON THE, UH, IT'S FY 29.
THAT LOOKS LIKE OLD TOWN HUDDLE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
I ASSUME THAT IS GOING TO BE, OH, THERE IT IS.
UM, OLD TOWN 2018 DASH ZERO ONE.
I THINK, I THINK THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT IS FIXING THE CROSSING UNDER 79.
BECAUSE IF YOU THINK THROUGH ALL OF THE PAPERWORK IN THIS REPORT, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE FLOODING THAT HAPPENS IN OLD TOWN IS IN TOWN IN THIS AREA AND MOST OF IT IS BECAUSE OF WATER BACKING UP.
SO THAT ONE'S NOT A FLOODPLAIN.
SO THAT BEING OUT IN 29, I'M MORE COMFORTABLE WITH.
UM, DO WE WANT TO PULL, UH, D ZERO TWO INTO 2027 BECAUSE IT IS A FLOODPLAIN AND WE ARE TALKING HOUSES? NO, YOU HAVE THAT COTTONWOOD CREEK.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S FOR 28, IT'S 5000005.4 IN 28.
SO WE'RE GONNA PULL IT INTO 27 IS WHAT HE ASKING, RIGHT? YEAH.
I WOULD THINK THE QUICKER WE CAN GET 'EM OUT, THE BETTER.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING.
AND THEN, AND THEY WOULD BE REALLY HAPPY IF WE MOVE THAT.
DO WE WANT TO MOVE D ZERO SIX INTO 26? YES.
YEAH, I, I KNOW KNOW, BUT I MEAN THE INSURANCE, NO, THERE'S NOT ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT GOING IN THERE.
THIS IS ALL WELL, NO, THE IT'S NOT TRUE.
SO YEAH, WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT SAVES THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN INSURANCE PREMIUMS. WHICH NEIGHBORHOOD ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? MUSTANG CREEK.
MAYBE SPENDING HOW MUCH, MAYBE IT SAVES, MAYBE IT SAVES EVERYTHING BEHIND THE HIGH SCHOOL.
$5.3 MILLION IN INSURANCE PREMIUMS. I KNOW.
SO EVEN IF IT DOES GO UP A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW MY OPINION THAT'S, THAT'S A COMMUNITY BENEFIT.
THE REST OF THEM 300 ARE HOMES AND FLOOD CLAIM.
BUT UM, I HAVEN'T, I HAVE A PHOTO.
JUST LIKE I SAID, WE JUST APPROVED THIS THING LAST WEEK, SO I WAS TRYING TO SCRAMBLE TO GET ALL THIS STUFF WITHIN HERE BEFORE TONIGHT.
SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAYBE GET MORE DETAILS BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE MORE HOMES IN ANOTHER LINE ITEM.
AND YOU MAY WANT TO PRIORITIZE DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE LIKE MATT JUST SAID, HE HASN'T ALL THE LINE ITEMS COULD HAVE HOMES IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
SO I THINK PREMATURE AND HERE'S, HERE'S YES.
PREMATURE, THESE ARE NOT HOMES.
THESE ARE COM THESE ARE INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS.
I THINK ALL THE ONES WITH HOMES WE NEED TO KIND OF CLOSER TO UPCOMING.
CO FOUR IS ALREADY ON THE LIST.
THAT'S WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
IS THAT D FIVE THE MORE? AND SO I DO THINK, I DON'T THINK THERE IS A PROJECT TO TAKE THAT UP.
I THINK IT JUST IS WHAT IT IS.
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REGIONAL DETENTION, WHICH MAYBE TRY TO PULL SOME OF THAT OFF THERE.BUT THAT'S A PRIVATE PROPERTY, SO WE HAVE TO ACQUIRE THAT LAND.
I THINK THEY MAY BE AUTO, UM, THERE'S A FEW HOUSES HERE AND A FEW HOUSES HERE THAT MO EIGHT MIGHT WORK WITH.
UH, AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE COTTONWOOD CREEK STUFF, WHICH IS A REALLY BIG YEAH.
OH, WE JUST FORGET ABOUT COTTONWOOD CREEK.
BECAUSE HERE'S CO FIVE AND YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THESE HOMES.
YEAH, THAT'S AND ALL THESE HOMES.
SO WHY WERE THOSE HOMES IN CARMEL CREEK ALLOWED TO BUILD IN THE FLOOD PLAIN? IT WASN'T THE FLOOD PLAIN.
THE, THAT, THAT'S WHAT'S MESSING ALL OF THIS UP.
HOW OFTEN DO THEY LOOK AT THE FLOOD PLAIN? UM, ONGOING.
I, I USED TO KNOW IT BUT I FORGOT.
IS IT EVERY YEAR? NO, IT'S LIKE EVERY, BLESS IT.
EVERY 10 YEARS THEY RELEASE NEW MAPS, WHICH MEANS EVERY 10 YEARS THEY DO DO THE STUDIES.
SO THE STUDY FOR THE CURRENT MAP, WHICH WAS THE CURRENT MAP, WAS RELEASED IN 2019.
IF YOU REALLY WANNA LEARN ALL ABOUT THIS STUFF, YOU GUYS CAN TUNE INTO THE COUNCIL MEETING ON THURSDAY NIGHT WHERE I HAVE TO GIVE A WHOLE PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNTY.
THIS THURSDAY WE WANTED THIS THURSDAY.
WE, I DON'T THINK THIS COUNCIL THURSDAY.
SO, SO WE GOTTA UNDERSTAND MEETINGS EVERY SINGLE WEEK FROM APRIL THROUGH JUNE ALL RUN TOGETHER.
SO QUESTION FOR THE CIP THAT IS NOT COMPLETELY FILLED OUT HERE.
COULD WE REVISIT THE DRAINAGE PORTION ON THE NEXT SESSION? AND I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THIS IS TOO MUCH WORK, YOU KIND OF ID THE ONES THAT ARE HOME, THE RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL CONSEQUENCES, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED AND JUST TYPE A NOTE IN TO 26 HOMES IF WE NEED TO OR PULL THEM IN HOMES OR OFFICE OR, OR HOMES OR COMMERCIALS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I WOULD OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO THAT RECOMMENDATION IN THAT NEXT MEETING IS PARKS IS A JOINT MEETING BETWEEN YOU GUYS AND PARKS.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT FITTING TO DO DRAINAGE THERE.
AND THEN THE NEXT MEETING AFTER THAT IS, UH, YOUR REGULAR MEETING WHERE YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE UDC AND THE ENGINEERING MANUAL AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE THERE.
THE NEXT MEETING AFTER THAT IS UH, WATER.
AND SO WE COULD PROBABLY ADD DRAINAGE IN WHEN WE DO THE WATER AND THEN THE LIFE, THE NEXT MEETING AFTER THAT IS WHEN WE DO THE FINAL LIKE MARATHON TO TRY TO GET THE MONEY FIGURED OUT.
BECAUSE YEAH, I, I THINK WE'VE GOT A GOOD IDEA OR IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE GOT A GOOD IDEA LIKE OH YEAH, WE REALLY DON'T WANT HOUSES IN FLOOD WEIGHTS SO WE NEED TO KIND OF MOVE THOSE PROJECTS TO THE FRONT OF THE DRAINAGE LIST.
I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE VIBE I'M GETTING OFF EVERYBODY.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SAVE ALL THE HOUSES AND THE FLOODPLAIN NOW.
THAT'S THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK.
IT'S A PRIORITY, BUT WE'LL EVALUATE, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT, OKAY, HOW MUCH IS THIS PRICE TAG AND WHERE DOES THAT WE CAN TAKE THE MONEY SIDEWALKS? NO, NO, NO.
JUST PUT YOUR FEET ON HIM AND CALM HIM DOWN.
MY FEET'S TOO SMALL COMPARED TO HIM.
I HAVE, I HAVE A SON THAT'S SIX NINE.
ARE WE DONE FOR TODAY? GETTING CLOSE.
I WAS ABOUT TO ASK, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO COVER ON THIS CHUNK OF THE ELEPHANT? I'M SURE MATT WANTS TO GET HOME AND I'M SURE ASHLEY WANTS TO GET HOME.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU GUYS FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO ADD THAT WE DIDN'T, THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I COULD SAY.
I THINK WE WERE REALLY THOROUGH LAST YEAR, ADDING SOME STUFF IN.
AND IT, I THINK IT'S SHOWN BECAUSE NOW WE WERE GETTING MORE DETAILED PROJECTS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST, OH, LET'S FIX THIS ROAD.
NOW WE'RE GETTING, LET'S DO IT FROM HERE TO HERE.
AND WE'RE A LITTLE MORE EXPERIENCED IN IT RIGHT.
AND SO IT IT, I KNOW LAST YEAR I ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS I'M LIKE, I'M
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SO LOST ON THIS RIGHT NOW.WELL THEN LET'S TURN AT 11:02 PM WOW.
DO YOU HAVE TO GO OVER THERE AND ADJOURN ON THANK CAMP ON THE MICROPHONE? NO, WE'RE ON CAMERA.
NOW WE WERE HERE TILL I THINK TWO 30 IN THE MORNING.
WE WERE 2:33 AM THAT WAS PRETTY ROUGH.
REMEMBER 3:00 AM CHERYL'S FIRST MEETING.
THAT WAS MY VERY FIRST MEETING.
THANK YOU MANNY, FOR BEING HERE.