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SPECIAL CALLED JOINT SESSION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE HEARTS COMMISSION.
WE DO ORDER AT 6 35 ON APRIL 29TH, 2025.
WE HAVE BOARD MEMBER, WEISS, BOARD MEMBER.
THANK YOU FOR PRINTING THESE OUT.
I'M NOT SURE I COULD SPELL EVERYBODY'S NAME.
BOARD MEMBER WASHINGTON FROM PARKS.
AND THEN FROM PLANNING AND ZONING, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER STEWART, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER MORRIS, AND MYSELF, COMMISSIONER HUDSON.
SO WE'VE GOT A QUORUM ON BOTH SIDES.
IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD CHOOSE TO MAKE A COMMENT? DID WE RECEIVE ANY BY EMAIL? WE DID NOT.
ALRIGHT, THEN WE ARE MOVING ON TO ITEM 4.1, DISCUSSION ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN PARK ITEMS. GOOD EVENING.
UH, JUST FOR THE RECORD, MATT RECTOR, YOUR CITY ENGINEER.
UH, SO AS MENTIONED TONIGHT, WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT PARKS PROJECTS.
UM, ONE THING, ACTUALLY, I GUESS THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS BEFORE WE GET GOING.
SO FOR THE PARKS TEAM, P AND Z HAS ALREADY SAT THROUGH A FEW OF THESE TALKING ABOUT OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE NON-PAR RELATED.
UH, SO THEY KIND OF UNDERSTAND HOW WE WERE WALKING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
UH, SO GENERALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, THEY'VE BEEN TASKED WITH TWO ITEMS. ONE IS COME UP WITH A PRIORITIZATION FOR THE CIP PROJECTS.
THE SECOND THING, WHICH IS NEW THIS YEAR, CITY COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED THAT THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE PRIORITIZATION THAT WE COME UP WITH ON HOW MUCH CITY COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER RAISING TAXES OR SHOULD NOT RAISE TAXES OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
UM, SO THAT'S THE TWO TASKS THAT WE'RE ULTIMATELY TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
WAY WE'RE WALKING THROUGH THIS IS WE STARTED WITH FACILITIES, THEN WE WENT TO WASTEWATER, THEN WE WENT TO STREETS, THEN WE WENT TO DRAINAGE.
NOW WE'RE ON PARKS, THEN WE'LL GO TO WATER.
AND THEN THE BIG WILL BE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE MONEY PIECE AND THEN IT'LL GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION AND BASICALLY GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN.
UM, THE OTHER BIG THING THAT I WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF IS IN PRIOR, IN THE TWO PRIOR YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE AND THAT I'VE DONE CIP, WE'VE HAD ABOUT 40 TO 50 PARKS PROJECTS.
UH, OF THOSE 40 TO 50 PARK PROJECTS, WE HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY WORKING ON WHAT JEFF, MAYBE 10 OF THEM.
AND SO THE OTHER ONES ARE JUST, WERE JUST PLACEHOLDERS ON, ON THE CIP BASED ON JEFF COMING TO THE PARKS BOARD, TALKING ABOUT PROJECTS THAT YOU GUYS WANTED TO SEE TO HAPPEN AND THEN BRINGING THEM BACK AND THEN ME PUTTING THEM THERE FOR EVERYBODY TO CONSIDER.
AND TAKING THAT TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, WHAT I HAVE DONE THIS YEAR, AND I DID IT FOR ALL OF THE, I DID IT FOR STREETS.
I'VE DONE IT FOR DRAINAGE, I'VE DONE IT FOR PARKS BECAUSE WE JUST ADOPTED NEW MASTER PLANS.
SO ANY PROJECTS THAT WE ARE NOT ACTIVELY WORKING ON, I SCRUBBED THE LIST BECAUSE FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, WE WERE MAKING UP PROJECTS JUST TO TRY TO KEEP THINGS MOVING.
AND SO NOW WE HAVE ADOPTED MASTER PLANS.
SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE CAN'T DO ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT YOU GUYS HAD PUT ON THERE.
I HAVE NO, NO ENGINEERING ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO SAY WHEN WE SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T BE DOING A PARK PROJECT IF THIS PARK PROJECT TRUMPS THAT PARK PROJECT.
SO I SCRUBBED THE LIST, I SCRUBBED IT FOR STREETS, I SCRUBBED IT FOR DRAINAGE, I SCRUBBED IT FOR WATER, I SCRUBBED IT FOR, AND I SCRUBBED IT FOR PARKS.
SO WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY GONNA SEE NOW IS INSTEAD OF HAVING LIKE 40 TO 50 PARK PROJECTS, WE HAVE 95.
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EVERYTHING OUT OF THE TRAILS MASTER PLAN AND EVERYTHING OUT OF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN TO PUT IT ON THIS LIST.UM, I STARTED TRYING TO WORK THROUGH, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT MY OWN PRIORITIZATION SCHEME.
AND THEN I REALIZED THAT I WAS SPINNING MY WHEELS DOING A LOT OF EFFORT FOR NO REAL GAIN BECAUSE I'M NOT THE PARK EXPERT.
I'M NOT, I DON'T DRIVE THE PARKS CONVERSATIONS.
THAT'S JEFF, I DON'T WORK WITH YOU AS A BOARD.
I DON'T HAVE ANY REAL TANGIBLE WAY FOR IF IT'S WASTEWATER.
IF IT'S WASTEWATER, THERE'S A VERY CLEAR CUT, LOGICAL WAY THAT WE HAVE TO BUILD A WASTEWATER SYSTEM.
SO WHEN I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, IT'S BASED ON THAT LOGIC PARKS.
THERE'S NO, I, YOU CAN'T, I CAN'T SIT HERE AS A CITY ENGINEER AND SAY, WE NEED TO GO DO ORAIN PARK RATHER THAN DOING FRITZ PARK OR WE NEED TO DO FRITZ PARK AND THEN GO TO CREEK.
THERE'S NO LOGICAL WAY TO SAY THAT ONE PARK OR ONE PIECE OF A PARK IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY OTHER PIECE OF ANY OTHER PARK.
SO RATHER THAN ME SPENDING A BUNCH OF TIME AND EFFORT TRYING TO PRIORITIZE ALL THESE NEW PARK PROJECTS, I BASICALLY JUST, I TOOK A STAB AT A FEW AND THEN I WAS LIKE, OKAY, JUST STOP, LET LET THIS CONVERSATION PLAY OUT AND WE'LL PRIORITIZE THEM HERE AS A GROUP AND THEN THAT WILL GO FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL PENDING THE WHOLE MONEY, MONEY CONVERSATION.
UM, SO WITH THAT, LET ME PAUSE HERE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO TRY TO DO.
ACTUALLY, CAN YOU BLOW THAT SCREEN UP, LIKE POW 2%? OH.
UM, AND I DID INVITE YOU TO THE TEAM, SO I JUST GOT IT.
SO, UM, YOU CAN JUST SLIGHTLY BIGGER.
LET ME JOIN THE TEAM SO THAT I CAN PUT IT ON BOTH SCREENS.
WHY? IS IT STILL OKAY? YOU WANT ME TO THIS ONE OFF? WELL, I'VE MUTED MY SPEAKER AND MY MIC.
YOU GOTTA, ANYONE OPEN? HELLO? HELLO.
IS THERE ANYBODY? IS ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS MEETING? THERE IS A, SORRY.
WAS THERE ANY EXTRA? I DID 10.
WHY DON'T YOU HAND IT HERE SO I CAN JUST LOOK AT YOU? YEAH, YEAH.
HOW'S THAT COUNCIL MEMBER? ALL RIGHT.
NOW YOU WANTED ME TO BLOW IT UP JUST A BIT.
PICKLEBALL COURTS WAS A BIT HARD TO READ.
SO, UM, I'M JUST GONNA JUMP IN.
UM, SO P ZERO ONE RAFY, JUST SO THAT YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THE NOMENCLATURE.
P IS OBVIOUSLY PARK ZERO ONE IS JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST PROJECT THAT WE PUT
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INTO THE CIP THE YEAR, THE FOUR DIGITS AFTER THAT IS THE YEAR THAT WE'RE GOING TO START THE PROJECT.REFY STANDS FOR RECURS EVERY FISCAL YEAR.
UM, BUT LIKE 2023 MEANS WE WERE STARTING THE PROJECT IN 2023.
SO ON 20 XX IS ONE OF THE NEW PROJECTS THAT CAME STRAIGHT OUT OF THE MASTER PLAN.
SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S NO YEAR ASSIGNED.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE AS YOU, AS YOU LOOK OUT INTO THE TABLE, YOU SEE THAT IT HASN'T BEEN ASSIGNED TO ANY GIVEN YEAR.
UH, SO WE ALSO AND THEY ALL HAVE THE PRONOUNCE RIGHT? YEAH, THEY'RE DISPERSED.
SO JUST TO HELP WITH UNDERSTANDING, WE'VE GIVEN YOU GUYS THE TABLES AND THE MAPS FOR THE PARKS MASTER PLAN AND THE TRAILS MASTER PLAN.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE WHEN WE GET DOWN HERE FAR ENOUGH ON THE TRAILS MASTER PLAN, BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE LIKE BRUSHY CREEK, BRUSHY CREEK, BRUSHY CREEK.
I INCLUDED THE PROJECT NUMBER AS A SUFFIX TO THE PROJECT TITLE SO THAT YOU CAN DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT ONES BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE MASTER PLAN.
I'M TRYING MY BEST TO TRY TO PROVIDE EVERYONE A GOOD PICTURE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
'CAUSE IT'S ONE THING TO JUST PUT ALL THIS STUFF IN HERE AND TALK ABOUT IT BASED ON TABLES.
IT'S SOMETHING ELSE WHEN YOU ACTUALLY START LOOKING AT WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND YOU KNOW, THE PROXIMITY TO OTHER THINGS.
SO, UM, I'M JUST GONNA KEEP GOING THROUGH THE LIST HERE AND WE'LL STOP WHEN WE GET TO THE FIRST ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE FIGURED OUT.
SO FRITZ PARK THAT'S IN CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY CHANGES THAT WE NEED TO MAKE TO THAT ONE.
THE NEXT ONE IS P ZERO THREE, WHICH IS THE CREEKSIDE PARK PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT, WHICH I BELIEVE SHOULD BE ONE OF THE TOP ONES ON YOUR PARKS MASTER PLAN LIST.
UM, AND SO, AS I SAID, I DIDN'T TRY TO PROGRAM THIS, UH, THIS WILL BE THE FIRST ONE.
I'LL JUST OPEN IT UP TO YOU GUYS ALL TO DEBATE TO HOW IMPORTANT THIS ONE IS.
AND JUST KEEP IN MIND, WE'VE GOT 92 MORE PROJECTS TO GO THROUGH.
SO WHEN, IF YOU TRY TO STICK 'EM ALL INTO 2025, OR SORRY, 2026, I DON'T WANNA REPEAT OF THE LAST TUESDAY, 2026 IS WHAT WE'RE STARTING WITH.
'CAUSE WE'RE IN 2025, SO WE CAN'T STICK MORE INTO 2025.
SO WHEN YOU START STICKING THINGS, REMEMBER WE'RE GOING 26, 27, 28, 29, AND 30.
IDEALLY I DO HAVE MORE THAN FIVE YEARS IN MY SPREADSHEET, BUT IDEALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A FIVE YEAR CIP TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND SO, UM, WHEN YOU START STICKING THINGS IN, IF YOU TRY TO STICK 'EM ALL INTO 26, THEN THINGS ARE GOING TO GET CUT.
I'LL JUST TELL YOU THAT I'LL, I'LL STEAL CITY COUNCIL'S THUNDER.
THEY'RE GOING TO CUT THINGS 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANNA RAISE TAXES TO TRY TO PAY FOR EVERY PARK PROJECT AND EVERY STREET PROJECT AND EVERY WATER PROJECT IN 2026.
SO WITH THAT, UH, WE ARE ON P ZERO THREE CREEKSIDE PARK PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? IS UM, HU LAKE PARK PLAYGROUND ANYWHERE ON THERE? MM-HMM
AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE, UH, CREEKSIDE PARK HAS A PLAYGROUND.
AND IF, IF, IF, IF WE WERE GOING TO DO ONE, MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE DO ONE WHERE THERE IS NOT A PLAYGROUND BASKETBALL.
UH, SO HERE'S P 34 IS HU LAKE PARK PLAYGROUND.
AND THE PARK, THE MASTER PLAN CALLS IT PLAYGROUND AND PARKING.
SO I UPDATED THE PARK PROJECT THAT CITY COUNCIL WAS GOING TO TRY TO DO IN 26.
UH, JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN TOLD BY CITY COUNCIL TO GO AHEAD AND START LOOKING AT THE PLAYGROUND PIECE.
UH, AND SO JEFF AND I ARE WORKING ON GETTING A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ON BOARD TO START LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT.
BUT THAT, SO CITY COUNCIL SAID, GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT THE PLAY PARK, THE PLAYGROUND, NOT NECESSARILY THE PARKING, BUT THE MASTER PLAN HAD BOTH.
SO I DIDN'T WANT TO JUST ARBITRARILY SEPARATE ONE FROM THE OTHER WITHOUT TALKING TO EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT IT'S ON HERE.
DID THE PRICE GO UP AS MUCH AS IT DID FROM THE PRINTOUT THAT WE WERE GIVEN PREVIOUSLY? LIKE RIGHT NOW, THE ONE I'M LOOKING AT HAS IT AT 1.4 MILLION AND THAT HAS IT AT 3.1.
IS THAT BECAUSE PARKING WAS INCLUDED TO THIS? I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE 1.1 WAS WITHOUT THE PARKING.
AND THE 3.1 IS WITH THE PERMIT, 2 MILLION PER PARK.
I THINK THERE'S OTHER PARK IMPROVEMENTS SLATE FOR THAT AS WELL.
I, I MEAN, WHATEVER'S IN THE MASTER PLAN.
YEAH, IT JUST CALLED OUT AS PLAYGROUND AND PARKING.
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BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS NOT JUST REPLACING THE PLAYGROUND THAT'S THERE, BUT BRINGING IN LIKE AN ALL ABILITIES PLAYGROUND.SO THE 3 MILLION INCLUDED, UM, A BOARDWALK CONCRETE TRAIL LIGHTING, NEW PARKING LOT, PLAYGROUND, UH, ART LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, MAINTENANCE BARNS.
IT'S KIND OF A INCLUSIVE RENOVATION OF THE WHOLE PARK.
SO THAT IS IN THERE, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CHANGES THE CONVERSATION ON CREEKSIDE BECAUSE IT, IT, BASED ON YOUR COMMENT, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T THINK CREEKSIDE IS AS BIG OF A PRIORITY RIGHT NOW.
WELL, I THINK THERE IS ONE THERE.
UM, BUT UH, HU LAKE PARK DOES NOT HAVE ONE AT ALL.
UH, AND I, I THINK THAT MAYBE WE WOULD THINK ABOUT JUST DOING ONE MAJOR PLAYGROUND IN UH, 20.
IF WE'RE GOING TO DO ONE IN 2026, UH, YOU KNOW, UNLESS A BUNCH OF MONEY FALLS FROM THE SKY.
HOW MUCH IS JUST THE PLAYGROUND AND
AND THEN THE OTHER KIND OF ANCILLARY, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, YEAH, IT WAS JUST THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
THERE WAS IN THE MASTER PLAN THERE HAD A BOARDWALK THAT WENT ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE PARK.
SO IF YOU'RE DOING THOSE THINGS YEAH.
WITHOUT THE PARKING, HOW MUCH DOES THAT, YOU KNOW, BALLPARK? UM, HOW MUCH IS THE, THE PARKING LOT AND THE
AND THEN THE NEW PARKING LOT WAS, UH, ESTIMATED 190,000.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE ASKING? I'M SORRY.
WELL, I JUST SAID THE 3.2 MILLION 500 IS THE PLAYGROUND.
SO WHAT'S MAKING UP THE OTHER 2 MILLION? YEAH.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE IT ON YOUR PRINTOUT THERE OR NOT.
THE SITE APPROVED ALLOWANCE IS A HUNDRED.
THESE ARE JUST FORECASTS, SO RIGHT.
THE CONCRETE TRAIL AND LIGHTING WAS 1 MILLION.
THE PLAYGROUND AREA IMPROVEMENTS WAS 660,000.
LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS WAS 135,000 AND A MAINTENANCE FARM.
AND THAT ALSO INCLUDED LIKE A CONTINGENCY IN DESIGNER STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO I'VE GOT A TECHNICAL QUESTION.
AS FAR AS THE RENOVATIONS GO ON, ANY SORT OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, ANY PARK INFRASTRUCTURE, I'LL SAY, IS THERE A KIND OF POINT OF NO RETURN WHERE IT'S GONNA COST JUST AS MUCH TO PUT A NEW ONE IN AS IT IS TO RENOVATE? OR DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT? IT, IT, YEAH.
PER, THERE'S A LOT PER SE, THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES GONNA COME INTO THAT.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT PAVILION, IT'S PROBABLY CHEAPER TO JUST SCRAPE THE PAINT, REPAINT IT, RUSTPROOF IT, PUT NEW ROOF ON IT OR WHATEVER THAN IT IS TO TEAR THE WHOLE PAINT DOWN AND REBUILD IT.
BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PLAYGROUND, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A WOODEN PLAYGROUND, IT'S BETTER.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA REFURBISH THE PLAYGROUND.
SO WITH THE PAVILION, IS THERE LIKE A SEVEN YEAR LIFE EXPECTANCY AND THEN IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S JUST TOO FAR GONE.
LIKE, FORGET REFURBISH, GOTTA REPLACE.
I THINK THE LIFE EXPECTANCY IS A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN SEVEN YEARS ON.
THE PLAYGROUND'S REALLY, THE, THE PAVILION THAT'S PAVILION USUALLY MEANT TO LAST 20, 25 YEARS DEPENDING IF YOU DO THE CONCRETE.
AND THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER FACTORS GOING ON.
THE PLAYGROUND HAS A LOST EXPECTANCY OF ABOUT 15 TO 20 YEARS, AND CREEKSIDE IS ABOUT 15 TO 20 YEARS OLD.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S, IT'S UP HERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY SPECIFIC TO PLAYGROUND OR PAVILION.
IT COULD BE BASKETBALL COURT OR COULD BE FENCING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH BASKET, WITH BASKETBALL COURTS.
I KNOW OUR BASKETBALL COURT AT, UH, AT GLENWOOD, IT WAS CHEAPER FOR US TO JUST REFINISH THE SURFACE AND PUT NEW NETS UP AND WE TOOK THE, UH, ROUND BOWLS OUT AND PUT, UH, SQUARE, UH, IT'LL LAST A LOT LONGER.
YOU KNOW, THAT WAS CHEAPER FOR US TO DO THAT THAN IT WAS TO JUST TEAR IT ALL APART AND START OVER.
THAT, AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS, IS A REFURBISH ON SOME OF THIS STUFF DONE LET'S SAY IN 26 BETTER THAN A COMPLETE REBUILD.
WELL, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS
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THING HERE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, AT HU LAKE PARK THAT HAS NOTHING RIGHT NOW.SO TO COREY'S POINT, I THINK I WOULD, I WOULD, I I AGREE WITH HIM.
I THINK I WOULD RATHER PUT IN A NEW PLAYGROUND AT HU LAKE PARK AND HOLD OFF ON REFURBISHING CREEKSIDE UNTIL 27.
AND, AND, UH, MY, MY SUGGESTION TOO WOULD BE THAT WE FACE IN THE REST OF IT, YOU SAID THAT THE, THE, THE BIGGEST PIECE IS THE 1.3 MILLION FOR THE, FOR THE BOARDWALK.
THAT WAS A CONNECTING FOR ACROSS THE, YEAH.
AND MAYBE IF WE JUST, YOU KNOW, PHASE IN SOME OF THE LESS EXPENSIVE, UH, ITEMS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, UH, AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BOARDWALK AND THE CONCRETE TRAIL AND LIGHTING, UH, COULD MAYBE COME TWO OR THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, BUT WE, IF WE, YOU KNOW, PIECE IN THE PLAYGROUND, MAYBE PIECE IN, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MAINTENANCE BARN, UH, COULD PIECE IN THE, THE PARKING LOT, UH, THE OTHER ITEMS. BUT MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO LEAVE THE, THE LARGE TICKET ITEMS TILL, UH, TILL OUR BUDGET IS A LITTLE MORE MANAGEABLE AND, AND JUST PHASE IT IN RATHER THAN TRY TO DO IT ALL.
THE, THE ONLY PIECE I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THAT IS IF YOU PUT THE BOARDWALK AND THE CONCRETE TRAIL AND LIGHTING, LET'S SAY 2030, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED COST ON IT.
SO MAYBE IF YOU WERE TO SPLIT, DO ONE EARLY AND ONE LATE MM-HMM
YOU'RE MINIMIZING THAT MASSIVE IMPACT TO YOUR, YOUR
IT'S STILL GONNA BE IT, IT IS STILL GONNA BE EXPENSIVE, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
AND THESE ARE JUST STARTING NUMBERS UNTIL IT ACTUALLY GOES OFF A BID.
THAT'S WHEN THE, THESE ARE JUST BEST GUESSES.
SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT ART IS.
WELL WHAT ARC? IT'S JUST A PUBLIC BECAUSE A PARK HAS, UM, LIKE OF OPEN SPACE, IT WAS JUST AN IDEA TO HAVE SOME PUBLIC ART PUT IN THERE AND THEY JUST PUT THAT AS A PLACEHOLDER.
NOT SURE WE, ARE YOU TALKING LIKE SCULPTURES? YEAH, SCULPTURES OR, UH, JUST OTHER COMMON PIECES OF ART AND THAT THEY HAD TO PUT A PLACEHOLDER IN THERE JUST FOR A NUMBER.
I DON'T ANTICIPATE US PAYING $20,000 FOR ART.
I USUALLY GET THOSE ON A LOANER TYPE OF DEAL WITH THE, WITH THE ARTIST SELL IT, THEN IT BECOMES A, YOU KNOW.
I JUST, I JUST NEVER HEARD, HEARD THAT SAY WORKED.
KEEP IN MIND TOO THAT UH, ALSO, UH, ORAIN DOES NOT HAVE A PLAYGROUND EITHER, RIGHT? SO HOW WOULD YOU PRIORITIZE, OH, WE'LL DO ONE NEXT YEAR AND ONE THE YEAR AFTER THAT.
WHICH ONE, WHICH ONE WOULD YOU DO FIRST? OR HOW, WHICH ONE GETS THE MOST TRAFFIC? OR ORAIN I WOULD SAY SO ORAIN OVER HU LAKE, BUT THAT'S, WHAT DO YOU THINK, JEFF? AS FAR AS DON'T I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT AT ALL.
IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT OUR, AT OUR ELECTRIC USAGE, IT'S NOT ALL COURTS.
THERE IS A BASKETBALL COURT AT HU LAKE PARK.
HU LAKE PARK IS, IS SERIOUSLY IN THE TOP ONE ON ELECTRIC USES.
SO I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THIS QUESTION.
SO, UH, WE RECENTLY HAD, I RAN A REPORT TODAY ON, UM, PLACER AI.
SO IT'S AN AUTOMATED, UH, AUTOMATED CHAT YEAH.
THING THAT TRACKS USAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO I DID IT FOR FIRST QUARTER.
IN THE PAST, UH, THE NUMBER ONE PARK HAS BEEN FRITZ PARK NUMBER TWO, THREE, AND FOUR IN SOME RANDOM ORDER HAVE BEEN OUTTA ORAIN SOCCER FIELDS AND HUDDLE LAKE PARK USUALLY IN THAT ORDER.
AND IF YOU WANNA GIVE YOU THE, WHAT THEY RANK THE FIRST QUARTER OF THIS YEAR WHERE THEY RANKED WHICH ONE GETS THE MOST FOOT TRAFFIC, I WOULD SAY, UH, UH, ORAIN GETS THE MOST FOOT TRAFFIC.
JUST PEOPLE GOING IN, WALKING THE PARK, TAKING THEIR KIDS.
BUT HU LAKE'S NOT FAR BEHIND IT.
I MEAN, IS THAT NOT A PROGRAM RELATED NUMBER FOR
WE DO MORE PROGRAM RELATED STUFF THERE.
SO IT COULD DRIVE TRAFFIC, BUT REGARDLESS IF IT'S DRIVING TRAFFIC, IT'S DRIVING.
I MEAN, IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO GO HANG OUT.
AND IT'S WIDE OPEN, SO MM-HMM
SO YOU SAID FRITZ GETS MORE FOOT TRAFFIC THAN ORAIN, FRITZ? OH YEAH.
ALTHOUGH THIS YEAR FRITZ IS GONNA BE ON THE FRITZ.
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FRITZ.WELL, BUT FRITZ ALSO INCLUDES LIKE THE SOCCER FIELDS.
I MEAN THE, THE FOOTBALL FIELD, THE BASEBALL FIELD, THE TRAIL.
SO IT'LL HAVE, IT'LL HAVE SOME, BUT IT'S NOT BE THE HIGH RATE.
THAT'S JUST IT WILL ONCE IT'S DONE.
I MEAN MORE THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS YET, WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR.
SO WE GO AHEAD AND WE TAKE OUR, OUR CIP PROJECTS AND WE SAY, OKAY, WE WANT THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS AND THIS.
AND PNZ SAYS, WELL WE'RE GONNA MOVE THIS AND MOVE THIS AND MOVE THIS.
AND SOME OF THEM YOU TAKE AND SOME OF 'EM YOU DON'T.
AND THEN CITY COUNCIL GETS IT AND THEY THROW IT IN THE BLENDER AND SCREW IT ALL UP.
SO OUT OF THESE PROJECTS, WHICH ONES HAVE BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD THE MOST? HAVE WE HAD A PLAYGROUND AT HU LAKE PARK FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS AND WE'RE JUST SPINNING OUR WHEELS BECAUSE IT'S NEVER GONNA GET DONE? OR HAS IT JUST BEEN ON FOR THE LAST COUPLE? I SEEM TO REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT PLAYGROUNDS FOR AT LEAST THE LAST DECADE.
AND HU LAKE IS, IS ON THERE BECAUSE FOR YEARS IT HAD A CONCRETE SLIDE AND THAT WAS IT.
NOW THE CONCRETE SLIDE IS GONE.
SO ALL THEY HAVE IS A FISHING DOCK AND A PLACE FOR KIDS TO RUN AROUND IN THE BASKETBALL COURT AND A PAVILION IN THE BATHROOM.
SO THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN KICKED DOWN THE KICKED DOWN THE ROAD FOR A DECADE SHOULD TAKE HIGHER PRIORITY, IN MY OPINION, OVER THINGS THAT ARE JUST NOT COMING UP FOR DISCUSSION OVER THE LAST, LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.
BUT DO WE HAVE THAT HISTORY? I DUNNO IF WE DO OR NOT.
WELL, I MEAN,
I COULD DIG THROUGH ALL OF THE OLD BUDGET.
SO WHEN I SAT DOWN TO DO THE FIRST CIP, WHICH WAS IN WHAT SUMMER OF 23 IS WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS STUFF, JEFF, TO DO IT IN 24 AND THEN 25, AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 26.
SO THIS IS MY THIRD GO AROUND.
AT THAT TIME, JEFF AND I SAT DOWN AND TALKED ABOUT IT.
I THINK THAT'S WHEN YOU HAD ADDED HU LAKE PLAYGROUND TO THAT FIRST CIB, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MASTER PLAN OR ANYTHING NECESSARILY TO BACK IT UP, BUT WE ADDED IT.
SO I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED PRIOR TO THAT.
UM, AND HONESTLY, COVID SCREWED EVERYTHING UP.
SO, I MEAN, THERE WAS TIMES WE WEREN'T EVEN DOING ANYTHING BECAUSE WE WEREN'T MEETING, WE, WE DIDN'T MEET, BUT VIRTUALLY FOR A WHILE.
I, I CAN TELL YOU WHEN I WAS HERE IN 20 17, 20 18, 20 19, UH, THERE WERE A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT WE WERE ADDING TO THE CIP.
UH, I DON'T, I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IF HUDDLE LAKE PLAYGROUND WAS ONE OF THEM.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU AT THAT TIME, CITY COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGEMENT HAD VERY SPECIFIC PRIORITIES.
AND SO VIRTUALLY ALL PROJECTS EXCEPT FOR THEIR PRIORITIES WERE GETTING KICKED DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN THINK OF MULTIPLE STREET PROJECTS, WATER PROJECTS, WASTEWATER PROJECTS THAT, THAT I WAS RECOMMENDING VERY HIGHLY THAT DIDN'T EVEN GET A CONSIDERATION.
SO, TO PERRY, TO YOUR POINT, I THINK THAT THE ONE THAT PROBABLY LINGERS THE MOST IN THAT SITUATION, FROM MY KNOWLEDGE, AND YOU MAY BE ABLE TO BACK IT UP OR SOME OF THE OTHER ONES, IS THE ATHLETIC FIELDS.
THAT ONE'S KIND OF BEEN ONE THAT'S LINGERED FOR A WHILE.
AND WE'RE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THIS STUFF, EXCUSE ME, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT HOW MANY ACRES HAVE WE RECEIVED? HOW MANY ACRES IS IN THE GOLD PROPERTY? THAT'S 65 ACRES AND WE'VE GOT 99 ACRES FROM UH, RIGHT BEHIND CROSS CREEK.
THEY, THEY CAME TO US ONCE, BUT THEY COULDN'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, WE'VE GOT THE PROPERTY OUT ON EDGE SCHMIDT, UH, THAT BACKS UP TO HU PARK.
THAT'S ANOTHER HOW MANY ACRES THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE, THE TRAIL FOR THAT THE FARM.
2020 ACROSS FROM THE OH YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
WE'VE GOT ALL THIS LAND RIGHT NOW THAT IS COMPLETELY UNDEVELOPED.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE GETTING ALL THESE ACRES, BUT WHAT GOOD IS HAVING ACRES IF THERE'S NOTHING ON IT, I MEAN, WELL, PER TWO THINGS.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S A LEGACY ISSUE THAT YOU SAY KICKED DOWN THE ROAD, I THINK THAT DOES BREAK PRIORITY.
BUT WE'RE FINALLY DOING IT FOR ITS PART THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS AND FINALLY IT STARTED THIS LAST RIGHT.
SO I'M, I'M SUPPORT OF THAT AND, AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
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SO WE COULD SPEND A LOT OF EFFORT LOOKING AT LEGACY THAT AREN'T ON THE TIPS OF OUR MINDS AND TONGUES RIGHT NOW.BUT IS IT MORE IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT WHAT'S, WHAT'S RIGHT NOW? YEAH.
WHAT'S NEEDED? WHAT'S NEEDED NOW AND OUR, AND OUR NEW MASTER PLANS.
AND THEN BECAUSE WE COULD SPEND A LOT OF EFFORT GOING IN AND FINDING THREE OR FOUR, HALF A DOZEN PROJECTS WHEN WE GOT 20 OR 30 PROJECTS THAT YEAH.
AND AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO GET RID OF 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THE ATHLETICS FIELDS, IF ANY OF THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE TAKE PRECEDENCE AND I'M ALL IN SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
SO, WELL, I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOUR YEARS AND I KNOW FOR THREE, WE'VE HAD THE PLAYGROUND AT LAKE PARK ON THERE AND IT KEEPS ME BEING MOVED BACK.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF MY PRIORITIES.
I'D LIKE TO SEE PLAYGROUNDS IN THE PARKS FOR KIDS.
SO MY SUGGESTION IS WE JUST GO AHEAD AND, AND MAKE THAT THE PART THAT A HIGH PLAYGROUND PRIORITY, UH, FOR 26.
AND, AND THEN THAT WOULD MAKE THE, THE CREEKSIDE, UH, PLAYGROUND MOVE, MOVE OFF AT LEAST A YEAR.
THEY HAVE A PLAYGROUND PLAY CREEK.
ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE HUDDLE LAKE PARK PLAYGROUND.
IS THAT GOING TO IMPACT ANY OTHER PARK OPERATIONS? PARK FUNCTIONALITY? OKAY.
DON'T YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT EASEMENT OR SOMETHING? YEAH, THERE'S AN UPPER BRUSH.
SHE HAS AN EASEMENT THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
UM, WE HAVE TO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOME, WE'RE GRADING ISSUES OUT THERE BECAUSE, SO, SO THE PLAN FOR THE PLAYGROUND AT HUDDLE LAKE ISN'T GOING TO PREVENT THE BASKETBALL COURTS FROM BEING USED OR THE PAVILION FROM NOT USED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I'M, I'M THINKING ABOUT FRITZ WHERE, YOU KNOW, OH, WE'RE DOING ALL THIS CONSTRUCTION FRONT.
YOU CAN'T GET TO THE PAVILION.
WELL THE, THE THING ABOUT HU LAKE PARK IS IT HAS A PAVILION, BUT WHAT DO YOU USE IT FOR? IF YOU HAD A KID'S BIRTHDAY, THEY HAD NOTHING TO PLAY ON.
WELL, UN UNDERSTOOD, UNDERSTOOD.
I MEAN, I'M NOT ARGUING, I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR IT.
AND, AND I'M, I'M JUST SAYING, HEY, IS THERE ANY, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY LIKE, OOH, WE NEED TO DO THIS THEN THIS, THEN THIS IN THAT PARK.
SO LET ME, LET ME ADD A COUPLE THINGS HERE.
ONE, THE PARK'S MASTER PLAN DID IDENTIFY THE CREEKSIDE PLAYGROUND.
THEY CAME UP WITH A HIGH, MEDIUM, OR LOW PRIORITY.
THEY DEEMED IT A MEDIUM PRIORITY.
UM, SO IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THAT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THAT'S JUST OUT THERE.
SECOND THING IS THE CREEKSIDE PLAYGROUND IS GETTING NEAR ITS END OF LIFE CYCLE AND WILL NEED TO BE REPLACED IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
UH, REPLACEMENT PARTS ARE GETTING HARDER TO GET COME BY AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST OUTDATED.
THAT ONE IS EASIER TO CHANGE OUT THAN THE ONE
I DON'T MEAN TO MUDDY THE WATERS HERE, BUT IT'S JUST TO TEAR THE NEW ONE, TEAR THE OPENS DOWN, PUT THE NEW ONES IN.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A LOT OF GRADING OR CIVIL WAR.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EASEMENT ISSUES THAT HUNTER PARK.
LIKE IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE A ONE YEAR SHOWSTOPPER OR JUST SOMETHING, I MEAN MAYBE ENGINEERING CAN SAY THAT.
I MEAN, BUT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE JUST A HICCUP OF THREE TO SIX MONTHS OR THIS COULD DRAG OUT FOR 12, 18 MONTHS? I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT.
I THINK IT'S JUST THEIR, THEIR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS PROTECT THE DAM.
SO WE HAVE TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOOD STEWARDS OF THAT.
THEY'VE NEVER BEEN LIKE, I'M, I'M, I'M SUPPORTING DOING THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING, IS THIS A THREE TO SIX MONTH OR 1218? DO WE NOT AND HOW DO WE FIND THAT? IT, IT WOULD BE, IT'D BE A RELATIVELY SHORT I OKAY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE THREE.
MAYBE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN, BUT YEAH.
WHAT, BUT REALLY ALL WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO ON THE PLAYGROUND SIDE IS, IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SHOW THEM HOW WE ARE NOT UNDERMINING THE STABILITY OF THEIR INUNDATION EASEMENT FOR THE DAM.
I THINK THAT THEIR WHOLE GROUP WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH US.
I MEAN, IF WE WERE PUTTING SOME, A PLAYGROUND ON TOP OF THE DAM, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROCESS AND A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OUTCOME.
BUT LIKE, I MEAN, I'M KIND OF ENVISIONING THAT THE PLAYGROUND IS NOT GONNA BE CLOSE TO THE DAM FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE CLOSER TO LIKE THE BASKETBALL COURT.
AND SO THAT'S MUCH EASIER CONVERSATION TO HAVE WITH UPPER BRUSHY.
SO WOULD IT SERVE US TO JUST, I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING IN ORDER, BUT WOULD IT SERVE US TO TAKE THE, THE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER THOSE THREE PLAYGROUNDS AND JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE A, A RECOMMENDATION AS TO ONE IN 26, 1 IN 27, 1 IN 28, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FOUR MAJOR PARKS AND ONLY ONE OF THEM FRITZ IS GOING TO HAVE A PLAYGROUND, A GOOD PLAYGROUND.
UH, AND THE OTHER THREE NEED ONE.
SO WOULD IT SERVE US TO JUST SAY, CONSIDER THOSE THREE AND, AND, AND JUST MAKE SUGGESTION
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ON A SUCCESSION OF ONE, ONE LAST QUESTION.WHEN IS FRITZ DUE TO BE COMPLETE IN FY 26? UM, SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE SHOOTING FOR LATER THIS YEAR, BUT IT PROBABLY KIDS PLAYING ON THE PLAYGROUND.
THERE'S, IT'D PROBABLY BE EARLY 26 CALENDAR.
AND ALSO, JUST ANOTHER ONE OTHER POINT OF CLARITY.
AS I, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, COUNCIL HAS ALREADY SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO START PUSHING FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN ON THE HUDDLE LAKE PLAYGROUND.
SO WE ARE WORKING WITH, GETTING A CONSULTANT ON BOARD TO START DOING THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST A SIMPLE SWITCH OUT KIND OF THING.
WE NEED TO BRING IN SOMEBODY WHO UNDERSTANDS DESIGN THE, THE GRADING AND THE DRAINAGE AND ALL THE EASEMENT AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND THEY'RE, THIS IS WHAT THEY DO.
AND SO WE'RE WORKING GETTING THAT SCOPE AND FEE PUT TOGETHER SO WE CAN GET SOMEBODY GOING ON THE DESIGN.
'CAUSE COUNCIL DID SAY IN MARCH WHEN WE HAD OUR LAST MEETING WITH THEM ABOUT CIP BEFORE WE STARTED THESE CONVERSATIONS, THAT THEY WANTED TO PRIORITIZE THAT PLAYGROUND.
SO I THINK THEY'VE HEARD YOU ALL AND I THINK THEY ARE PRIORITIZING THAT PLAYGROUND.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE MUCH ACTION ON THE HUDDLE LAKE PLAYGROUND 'CAUSE WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON THAT ONE.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT IN CONSTRUCTION.
SO THAT THERE'S ALWAYS THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE'S SOMETHING COULD CHANGE.
UM, BUT I THINK AS FAR AS GOING BACK TO THE CREEKSIDE PLAYGROUND AND ALL THE OTHER PLAYGROUNDS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, I THINK IT DOES MAKE SENSE FOR YOU GUYS AS A GROUP TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE YOU WANTED TO DO NEXT AFTER HU LAKE.
ASSUMING THAT EVERYTHING STAYS ON COURSE WITH WHERE WE SEE IT GO.
I WOULD SAY ORDAIN WOULD BE NEXT.
AND THEN CREEKSIDE ONE, ONE WRENCH I WANT TO THROW INTO THAT IS, THAT IS THREE, THREE PARTS WITH PLAYGROUNDS, UM, SOUTH OF SEMI AND JUST FRITZ NORTH THERE.
ARE THERE ANY PLAYGROUNDS COMING NORTH OF 79 YET? WELL, THERE'S THAT PARK, THERE'S THAT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE PICKLE PARK.
PROPERTY OF LIBERTY IN EAST RIGHT HERE.
AND THERE IS A, THERE'S A PLAN IN THE PARK,
WHEN'S, WHEN'S SOME LAND DONATED TO THE CITY THROUGH
BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY, IT'S IT'S HARD TO ACCESS.
I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S PARK LANE.
THERE'S PARK LANE DEDICATED ON THE NORTH SIDE, UH, EDGE SCHMIDT THAT WE JUST, THAT WE JUST GOT WITHIN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A TRAIL THAT'S GONNA CONNECT.
AND THEN ACROSS EDGE SCHMIDT, THERE'S A SUBDIVISION APARTMENT COMPLEX COMING IN AND THEY HAVE GIVEN US HOW MANY ACRES IS THAT WITH THE PICKLE BALL AND THE UH, LIKE 20 ACRES? 20 ACRES? DOES THAT INCLUDE A, A PLAYGROUND? NO, NO, THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE A PLAYGROUND.
BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, TWO OR FOUR PICKLEBALL COURTS AND A 18 HOLE DISC GOLF COURSE AND A WALKING TRAIL AROUND TWO STOCK TANKS.
SO THERE ARE THINGS COMING TO THE NORTH SIDE.
LIBERTY AND EAST IS THE ONLY OTHER SCHEDULED NORTH SIDE PLAYGROUND THAT WE HAVE.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BUNCH OF 'EM ON, ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
THERE'S NOTHING ON THE NORTH SIDE.
WELL, MAYBE WHAT WE, MAYBE WHAT WE DO IS SHOOT FOR ONE, LIKE ONE SOUTH AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR DO ONE NORTH.
IF YOU DO THE LIBERTY, IF YOU DO THE LIBERTY EAST STREET THING, THEN WE SHOULD PUT THE ENTIRE THING ON FOR 27, WHICH WOULD BE THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THE PARKS, OFFICES, THE PLAYGROUND, AND THE PARKING.
I MEAN, I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT'S WE SO YOU'RE LOOKING PROBABLY, BUT I NOT 50 MILLION.
SO LET, LET ME INTERJECT HERE REAL QUICK.
'CAUSE WE'VE TALKED, YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT THE LIBERTY AT EAST, JUST FOR REFERENCE.
IT IS ON HERE, UH, IT'S LIKE P WHERE WAS IT? P 58.
UH, BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPLEMENTING THE EAST LIBERTY PARK MASTER PLAN.
HERE'S WHERE THINGS START GETTING MURKY.
IS, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A PARKS BUILDING, A COMMUNITY CENTER MM-HMM
PLAYGROUND AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
AS P AND Z IS KEENLY AWARE, 'CAUSE WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS, SOME FACILITIES, WE HAVE
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A FEASIBILITY CENTER FOR A PARKS BUILDING.AND SO PNZ HAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE DO FEASIBILITY OF ALL OF THOSE SIMULTANEOUS SO THAT WE CAN FIND WAYS TO MINIMIZE HAVING TO GO BUILD A PARKS BUILDING OVER HERE AND A REC CENTER OVER HERE AND A COMMUNITY CENTER OVER HERE.
AND A LIBRARY LIKE COMBINING ONE CENTRAL LOCATION LIKE USES YEAH.
ONE PARKING, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING.
I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT DOING THE EAST LIBERTY MASTER PLAN, BECAUSE THAT MIGHT CONFLICT WITH THOSE OTHER STUDIES THAT WE'RE DOING FOR ALL OF THE FACILITIES.
WELL THE, THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS ONE OF THE FEW PROPERTIES THAT WE OWN THAT'S NOT IN THE FLOOD PLATE.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY RECOMMENDED GOING VERTICAL WITH SOMETHING THERE.
AND THE, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, THE COMMUNITY CENTER WAS JUST AN ADD-ON SPACE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, IT COULD BE CHOPPED OFF OR MM-HMM
IT WAS JUST KIND A BUT THAT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR AN AQUATICS CENTER.
NO, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT, UH, MATT WAS TALKING ABOUT, IT WON'T BE IN A FLOODWAY ALL THAT.
WE'RE NOT PUTTING A LIBRARY IN A FLOODWAY.
SO REC CENTER, THE IDEA WAS A CENTRAL LOCATION, THEN THERE, DONE THAT.
SO I GO TO THE LIBRARY AND GO OVER HERE, WHATEVER.
IT GO IN THE LONG RUN, IT'LL BE CHEAPER.
TO MATT'S POINT, THIS, THIS PROPERTY COULD BE SCALABLE.
SO WE COULD NOT PUT A COMMUNITY IN THERE.
STUFF, BUT YOU COULD STILL HAVE A PLAYGROUND THERE.
YOU HAVE PARKING AND OTHER STUFF, WHICH COST CAUSES THE COST OF THAT, DOING THAT PART TO BE REDUCED QUITE A BIT.
BUT WHAT IS THE ORAIN PARK? DO WE HAVE A COST FOR THAT? YES.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS STRAIGHT OUTTA THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
THE ORAIN PARK IS 7,000,005 TH 7 MILLION, 5,000.
HUH? IS THAT MINE? ITEM TWO 17? THIS IS, DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THAT? OR WE CAN GET YOU GUYS A COPY OF IT? NO, I JUST DIDN'T, A PICTURE FOR, I DIDN'T GIVE YOU THE ENTIRE PARKS MASTER PLAN AND THE ENTIRE TRADE.
WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL, MATT? UH, HOLD ON, LET ME MAKE, LET ME ANSWER ONE QUESTION AT TIME.
UH, WHERE WAS IT? P 17? NO, NEVERMIND.
AND IT IS, UH, A SITE IMPROVEMENTS, UTILITIES, PAVILIONS, RESTROOMS, MAINTENANCE, CIRCULATION, TRAILS, PATHWAYS, PARKING PLAYGROUNDS, SPLASH PAD, P SEVEN MILL AND LANDSCAPE.
BUT I, I, I AGREE WITH THE, THE POINT OF THIS, LOOK AT ALL THE, ALL THE PLAYGROUNDS GET 'EM IN A PRIORITY.
UM, THE, THE ONE THING ON, ON THE, THE ORGANIC SEVEN MILL AND THEN THE HUDDLE LAKE PLAYGROUND, 3.2 MILL, THERE WAS SOME TALK TAKING HU LAKE AND SPLITTING IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND, AND MAYBE, SO I DUNNO IF WE CAN JUST SAY THIS WAS 26, THIS WAS 27, THIS 28, OR WE MAY WANNA LOOK AT SPLITING UP THESE THEN SPREADING THAT MODE.
I, BUT I AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT.
AND I, I, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD, UH, PUT MAJOR PARK RENOVATIONS WITHIN THREE YEARS OF EACH OTHER.
I JUST THINK THAT MY FEELING IS THAT A MAJOR PARK RENOVATION, UH, UH, GREAT.
WE SHOULD WAIT THREE YEARS BEFORE WE DO ANOTHER MAJOR PARK RENOVATION.
BUT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE, UH, SHOULD MAKE PROGRESS ON THOSE PLAYGROUNDS LIKE THE, UH, ON THOSE PARK, LIKE THE PLAYGROUNDS.
AND THAT TO ME IS THE PRIORITY FOR THOSE PARK.
SO I'M, I'M JUST GONNA SUGGEST AS FAR AS 26, 27, 28, I THINK HUDDLE LAKE SHOULD COME FIRST.
I THINK ORAIN SHOULD COME SECOND.
AND THEN EAST AND LIBERTY THIRD BASED OFF OF WHAT, WHERE YOU TRAFFIC, BECAUSE HE, JEFF JUST SAID THAT ORAIN GOT THE MOST FOOT TRAFFIC RIGHT.
PUTTING HOW A LAKE ABOVE ORAIN.
BECAUSE OF THE PRICE TAG TO COMPLETE.
THAT'S DOUBLE FOR THE PRICE TAG ON ORDAIN IS DOUBLE WHAT IT IS FOR HU LAKE.
PLUS, LIKE PRAIRIE SAID, HU LAKE'S BEEN HERE A LONG TIME AND IT HAS BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD FOR A LONG, LONG, I, I REMEMBER, I REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT THE DOCKS IN 2018.
WELL, BUT STILL THAT MARK, IN MY OPINION, NEEDS TO BE, THAT'S WHY I GET DISHEARTENED BY THINGS LIKE THESE, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ON THE PARKS BOARD FOR SO DAMN LONG AND WE DO THESE THINGS AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 'EM THE NEXT YEAR THAT THEY'VE NEVER BEEN DONE.
AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 'EM THE YEAR AFTER THAT AS IF THEY'VE NEVER BEEN DONE.
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AFTER THAT, AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE.WELL, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TOLD BY MATT, THAT COUNCIL YEAH.
THEY WANT US TO LOOK AT THAT'S A PRIORITY HUDDLE LAKE PART FIRST.
SO LET'S GIVE 'EM WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
AND I, I THINK THAT'S THE OTHER REASON WE PUT HUDDLE LAKE FIRST.
THAT'S WHY I, WE SHOULD JUST DO THESE FOR A YEAR AND THEN MAYBE IT WILL BE KICKED DOWN THE ROAD SINCE COUNCILS ALREADY SAID THEY WANT US TO START ON IT.
SO DOES BIG, DOES THAT SOUND ALL RIGHT AS FAR AS PLAYGROUND OR GAIN AND THEN WHATEVER, OR, BUT LOOKING AT HOW WE PART'S PARTITION AND, AND THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN FINAGLE ALL RIGHT, MAYBE WE DO EASTERN LIBERTY IN 29 INSTEAD OF 28TH OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, BUT CAN ALWAYS BE MOVED.
BUT AT LEAST THEN WE'VE GOT A SIX.
DO DO THAT MAKE SENSE, MATT? YEAH.
SO WHAT, HERE'S, HERE'S A QUESTION THAT I, I NEED TO ASK.
IN ALL OF THESE MASTER PLANS, YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, UTILITIES, PLAYGROUNDS, PARKING, WHATEVER THE CASE IS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IS THAT INSTEAD OF ME SAYING HU LAKE PARK, YOU WOULD RATHER ME SAY HUDDLE LAKE, PARK PLAYGROUND, HUDDLE LAKE PARK, BOARDWALK, HUDDLE, LAKE PARK TRAIL AND LIGHTING.
BECAUSE THEN, THEN YOU CAN, THEN WE CAN PRIORITIZE.
UM, SO I, I DON'T, I DON'T TRIPLE
I KNOW WE JUST, WE JUST MADE THE PART PROJECT GO FROM 98.
YOU WANNA COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS, THAT I THINK THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DOING A PLAYGROUND VERSUS SMALLER BITES, $3 MILLION ENTIRE.
AND WHAT I, WHAT I'M THINKING IS MAYBE PIECES, THE DIFFERENCE ON THIS.
WE CAN'T DO ONE WITHOUT DOING THE, AND HAVE TO DO CIVIL.
MATT, CAN YOU BRING UP THE, THE HUDDLE, LAKE PARK PIECE AGAIN? YEP.
SO WE'RE DOING A DESIGN, ET CETERA, BUT THEN WE CAN DO CONSTRUCTION IN, LET'S JUST CALL IT FOUR PHASES.
THERE'S EIGHT ITEMS UP THERE, RIGHT? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.
HEY, 26, WE'RE GONNA DO PLAYGROUND.
AND, UH, WHAT'S THAT CHEAP ONE? UH, THE NEW PARKING LOT.
PHASE TWO IS THE BOARDWALK AND THE MAINTENANCE BAR, PHASE THREE.
YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING? I LIKE IT.
WHERE WE'RE KIND OF SPREADING OUT THIS PARK.
AND THEN IN 27 WE START THE SAME KIND OF PROCESS WITH OR GAME.
AND IN 28 WE START THIS SO THAT ONCE IT'S GOING, IT'S A LOT HARDER TO PULL THE PLUG MM-HMM
AND IF WE GET OUR FOOT IN THE DOOR ON THESE PARKS, WE GET THEM GOING.
AND IT BECOMES A LOT HARDER FOR COUNCIL TO SAY, WE'RE GONNA YANK FUNDING AND KICK THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
I THINK THAT WAS THE EMPHASIS THAT THE PARK BOARD CAME UP WITH.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR MONTHS.
YOU KNOW, GOING YEARS INSTEAD OF A BIG GIANT POT, YOU TAKE A LITTLE IN AND I'M DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY THAT DISAGREE.
WE'RE IN AGREEMENT AGREEMENT ON THIS, BUT YEAH.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA, I KNOW THIS SOUNDS BAD, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA OFFER COUNSEL THE ABILITY TO PICK AND CHOOSE A LA CARTE WHAT PIECES, DETAILS THEY WANT TO ADD AND DELETE AND SO ON IT'S PHASES.
SO THEY CAN NOT DELETE A PHASE VERSUS NO LINE ITEM.
THEY, THEY CAN PUSH A PHASE, THEY CAN PUSH A PHASE IF THEY WANT.
THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE.
BUT SAYING, I DON'T KNOW IF WE, I GET YOUR POINT, RICK.
ART, AND, AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS LIKE, PERRY, THAT THESE THINGS HAVE TAKEN YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
BECAUSE INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT IT LIKE, WHAT CAN WE GET DONE, UH, FEASIBLY, UH, IT, IT'S BEEN LOOKED AT AS WELL, LET'S JUST RENOVATE THE WHOLE ARC AND WHEN ARE WE GONNA DO IT? WELL, WE CAN'T DO IT NOW.
WE CAN'T DO IT NOW, BUT WE CAN DO A BIT BY BIT
SO, UH, THE FIRST YEAR, UM, THE PLAYGROUND AND THE WHAT PARK AT, AT HO LAKE PARK.
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PARKING LOT.THEN YOU RIP ONE BANDAID OFF AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, HERE'S THE CONCRETE TRAIL AND LIGHTING.
AND THEN 28 IS, UH, WHAT LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE BOARDWALK, MAYBE BOARDWALK.
AND THEN YOU FINISH UP WITH ART BECAUSE ALL YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE STRUCTURES ARE IN THERE.
NOW YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH, WE GET THE ART.
WELL, I MEAN, I, I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, COUNSEL'S GONNA SAY THAT THIS GROUP, JEFF, WHOEVER CAN GO FIND THE ART AND HAVE IT PUT IN THE PARK, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T SEE WHERE CITY COUNCIL SAYS, OH, WE'RE GONNA SPEND $20,000 TO PUT PUBLIC ART IN THE PARK.
I JUST, I JUST, MAYBE I'M BEING TOO REALISTIC.
REALISTIC, REALISTIC, REALISTIC.
THE QUESTION IS, IS IT NEEDED? BUT EVEN DON'T ASK AN ENGINEER THAT.
BUT EVEN SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS A, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THESE LOVELY LITTLE MAPS AND HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW.
IT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT OF OVERHEAD COVER ON IT.
HERE'S YOUR MATH AND HERE'S SOME ART, FREE ART.
BUT THAT COVERED BULLETIN BOARD TYPE THING WASN'T FREE.
MAYBE IT WAS, MAYBE IT WAS AN EAGLES SCOUT PROJECT.
WHO KNOWS? POINT IS, IF THEY'RE READY TO WRITE A SMALL CHECK FOR, NOT NECESSARILY ART ITSELF, BUT ART, UH, FINISHING TOUCHES, UH, NO, I'M, I'M SAYING LIKE ART INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHERE YOU PUT THIS ONE'S DISPLAY, HERE'S WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GET TOO WRAPPED UP IN THAT LINE EITHER.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT THAT'S SMALL PEANUT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT IS.
IF IT DOESN'T GET FUNDED, IT DOESN'T GET FUNDED.
AND DON'T FORGET, WE REALLY CAN'T, I MEAN DONE IN 27, WHAT ELSE ARE WE GONNA ADD? WISHLIST.
AND IN 28, WHAT ELSE ARE WE GONNA ADD FOR THE WISHLIST? SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE JUST GONNA GO TO THEM AND SAY, OKAY, FOR HUDDLE LAKE PARK, THIS IS IT.
NO, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
AND, AND SO WE MONEY AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN, WE CAN COME BACK TONIGHT AND CHANGE IT.
WE WON'T DO THIS INSTEAD OF THIS.
WE CAN, IT'S GONNA BE CHANGED.
WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR THE LAST THREE WEEKS, FOUR WEEKS.
UM, AND, AND DO THE SAME THING WITH, UH, ORAIN.
CAN I MAKE A, SOMEBODY WE'VE GOT 90 SOME ODD, CAN I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION GOING BACK TO HUDDLE LAKE? CAN WE ADD SOME SITE IMPROVEMENT ALLOWANCE? 'CAUSE THAT REALLY PROBABLY NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE ONE.
BUT WE NEED TO TAKE, THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE WE DO ALL THE OTHER STUFF.
DOES THAT BEFORE THE PLAYROOM? BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE PARKING LOT.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH, I, I WOULD ADD IT WITH YOUR FIRST PHASE.
I WOULD ADD PLAYGROUND SITE IMPROVEMENT.
I'M GONNA PUT DOWN PHASE ONE, UH, PLAYGROUND.
UH, THIS IS GONNA BE SITE IMPROVEMENT.
PLAYGROUND IS SIX 60, SO THAT'S 7 65.
AND UH, PARKING LOT THERE IT IS ONE 90.
THAT WOULD BE, UH, DID WE SAY BOARDWALK OR I THINK YOU SAID THE CONCRETE TRAIL AND MAINTENANCE BARN.
CONCRETE TRAIL AND MAINTENANCE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS HAD SAID ORIGINALLY.
AND THAT IS, UH, WHAT'S THE MAINTENANCE BARN? 60? YEAH, IT'S LIKE ONE 60 AND OKAY, SO THAT'S GONNA BE 10 70.
PHASE THREE, RICK HUDSON, MEMORIAL
WE'LL FREE DAM IT IF YOU BUILD IT.
PHASE THREE IS GOING TO BE BOARDWALK
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AND LANDSCAPE.OF COURSE BY THEN YOU NEED TO ADD ABOUT 20%.
UH, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, BUT MAY, MAYBE IT'S PHASE FOUR IS THAT'S TRUE OF EVERYTHING.
I WOULDN'T EVEN PUT ART ON THERE.
KATIE AND HER KIDS ARE HOOKED OFF SOMETHING.
SO DO YOU WANNA JUST KEEP WORKING THROUGH THESE LIST OF, FROM THE MASTER PLAN AND BREAKING THAT UP THAT WAY? OH, SINCE MY SPREADSHEET IS BASICALLY NOT, YOUR SPREADSHEET'S GONNA GET BIGGER.
DID DID WE SAY WHAT YEARS THOSE PHASES ARE IN? YEAH.
IT'S PHASE THREE IS WHAT I HAD DOWN.
WELL, I THINK IT'S JUST GONNA MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO WANT TO GRAB ONTO WHEN YOU HAVE JUST HUGE NUMBERS ON EVERYTHING, THEN NOTHING GETS TAKEN.
WELL, I MEAN, SO I'VE SHARED THIS WITH P AND Z.
WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, 1.1 BILLION ONE, YOU HAVE WHAT, SEVERAL HUNDRED MILLION IN FACILITIES, YOU HAVE A BILLION IN WASTEWATER, YOU HAVE 1.5 BILLION IN STREETS.
YOU HAVE ABOUT 500 MILLION IN WATER.
AND THEN YOU ADD IN PARKS AND DRAINAGE ON TOP OF IT ALL.
I MEAN, EVERY, EVERYTHING GETS LOST.
'CAUSE NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A 3 BILLION, THREE $4 BILLION CIP PROGRAM.
SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CITIES THAT GROW.
SO, I, I LIKE WHAT WE DID WITH HU LAKE.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT SOUNDS PRETTY SOLID.
WE'VE JUST BEEN FORGOTTEN A LOT.
SO DO WE WANT MOVE ON TO ORAIN? YES.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE NEXT PLAYGROUND.
HEY, CAN YOU, CAN WE WEIGH IN ON ADAM ORAIN? CAN YOU SHOW, UH, 90, THERE'S TWO OPTIONS HERE, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GET SURE.
I THINK IT'S A FEW PAGES AFTER THIS ONE.
SO THERE'S OPTION ONE IS THE, UH, I ONLY HAVE ONE COST.
WHAT, WHAT PAGE ARE YOU LOOKING AT? UM, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.
SO OPTION PLAY, FOCUS ONE IS PLAY, FOCUS AND OPTION.
AND OPTION TWO IS REMOVING THE SOUTH DRIVE AND EXPANDING THE NORTH DRIVE.
SO CREATING EASIER, CENTRALIZED ACCESS OFF OF 1 37, UH, RIGHT THERE.
SO IN ORDER TO KIND OF GAUGE WHICH ONE YOU WANT, WE NEED TO KIND OF SEE AND REMOVING THE SOUTH DRIVE, THAT WAS AN OPTION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
EXPANDING THE NORTH AND REMOVING THE SOUTH.
AND THIS ONE JUST KEEPS THE SAME.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
JUST IF WE EVER HAVE A BIG EVENT, LIKE WE HAD 2011, IT'S GONNA PLAY HELL GETTING OUT OF THAT, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE THAT SOUTH DRIVEWAY AND JUST GETTING OUT OF THERE JULY 4TH.
WELL, IT WAS THE EXPANSION, THE NORTH DRIVEWAY.
SO IT MADE IT LIKE TWO TURNS RIGHT.
UM, AS A FORMER UBER LYFT DRIVER, ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT IS JUST HORRIFIC.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT.
THE OTHER THING IS TWO, TWO RIGHT TURN LANES AND TWO LEFT TURN LANES ARE STILL TURNING INTO A SINGLE NORTHBOUND, A SINGLE CIRCLE.
THE HEAVY LIFT, BECAUSE THAT, THAT MEANS I HAVE TO GO, YOU KNOW, WHERE LID HAS TO GO INTO THE PARKING LOT AND THEN FIGHT THE WAY OUT AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THE NORTH SOUTH, THE PD WAS LIKE, OH, YOU, YOU'RE UBER, YOU DON'T NEED TO GO INTO THE PARKING LOT.
JUST IT WAS AN OPTION THAT WE PRESENTED.
JUST WANT GET SOME CLARIFICATION.
ALRIGHT, SO HERE'S THE BREAKDOWN.
THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE TROUBLE SEEING SOME STUFF, THANK YOU
SEE, THIS IS, WHAT DO WE HAVE NOW? YOU'LL BE THERE SOMEDAY TOO.
IT IT, IT'S THAT, IT IS THAT WHITE ON THE LIGHT? WELL, I WOULD PROBABLY ALREADY BE THERE, BUT I'M STARING AT IT RIGHT HERE.
SO PHASE ONE HELP, HELP ME OUT WITH THE, WE'RE GONNA THROW A SPLASH PAD INTO THE PLAYGROUND ON ADAM MORGAN.
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THE, AS YOU COME INTO THE PROPERTY, THE FIRST LITTLE SPOT THERE, CONVERTING THAT TO THE PARK COMPONENT.PUTTING A PLA, A PLAYGROUND, A SPLASH PAD, UM, OKAY.
WALKING TRAIL, ALL THAT STUFF RIGHT THERE WAS RIGHT THERE MAKING A TRAIL GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH IT.
UH, AND THEN UPGRADING TO SOME OF THE PARKING LOT.
GOT, SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME UTILITY COST.
THERE'S, UM, SOME SITE GRADINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE ON THIS MAP THEN EVERYTHING IS OFF.
CURRENTLY EVERYTHING IS OFF TO THE LEFT, OFF THE EDGE OF THE MAP, RIGHT? WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN AMPHITHEATER'S DOWN HERE? RIGHT.
BUT THEN THE, ANY OF THE PARK STUFF IS CURRENTLY DOWN ALONG THE CREEK TO THE LEFT, RIGHT? THE PAVILION? NO, THIS IS NORTH CREEK IS ON, HERE'S THE CREEK SPOT, RIGHT.
THIS IS THE BROOKLYN SUBDIVISION.
AS YOU ENTERED THE AMPHITHEATER BACK OVER HERE.
THIS IS THAT FIRST LITTLE, SO THIS IS WHERE ALL OF THE PARK PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THIS IS, ARE GONNA BE UP FRONT.
SO HERE'S THE SPLASH PAD, THE PARKING LOT'S A SECOND.
UM, RESTROOM BUILDING AND MAINTENANCE BUILDING ANOTHER PAVILION, PLAYGROUND, UH, INTERACTIVE PLAY AREA.
PLAYGROUND WITH ARTIFICIAL TURF.
THE, THE REASON I ASKED ABOUT THE SPLASH PAD IS BECAUSE TO ME THAT SOUNDS LIKE A SEPARATE COMPONENT, LIKE A PAVILION.
BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE PLAYGROUND, THE SPLASH PAD AND THE SITE FURNISHINGS SEPARATE FROM THE PAVILION, RESTROOMS, MAINTENANCE BAR.
I, I KIND OF QUESTIONED THE SEQUENCE OF THAT.
I GUESS THESE CHUNKS WOULD BE, NEED TO BE BIGGER.
SO JEFF, IF, IF WE STARTED THERE WITH A PLAYGROUND, WHAT I MEAN, WHAT IS ESSENTIAL TO HAVE TO GO WITH THE PLAYGROUND TO MAKE THAT POSSIBLE AND THEN BE ABLE TO IMPROVEMENT, SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND RESTROOMS. RESTROOMS, YES.
THESE RESTROOM, THAT COULD BE 26.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'S SITE FURNISHINGS TOO.
YOU NEED TO HAVE BE PERCENT A, YOU KNOW, WELL, THE SITE FURNISHINGS ALREADY LUMPED IN WITH PLAYGROUND AND SPLASHBACK.
SO, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SO 1.5, 1.2 IN THE TWO 90 SMALL PLAYGROUND FOR FOR SURE.
BUT IF WE GO BACK TO WHAT RACHEL SAID, RIGHT? THEY TASKED Y'ALL WITH PLAYGROUNDS FIRST.
SO, BACK TO WHAT COREY JUST ASKED, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE IN PLACE TO MAKE THE PLAYGROUND? SO IF THAT'S THE DEAL, DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE RESTROOMS FOR A PLAYGROUND? SO IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE UTILITIES AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE PLAYGROUND AND THE SITE ROOMS. YEAH.
IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL ABILITIES, THAT'S GONNA COST YOU A PLAYGROUND FOR TWO DIFFERENT AGES.
GONNA COST YOU A MILLION DOLLARS JUST FOR THE PLAYGROUND.
I MEAN, IT IS FLAT OUT FOUR QUARTER MILLION.
AND SO THE SPLASH PAD AT FRITZ IS COSTING US, I THINK, JUST SHY OF 800,000.
SEE, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I BELIEVE IN OUR PARK SYSTEM THAT YOU ALMOST HAVE TO PUT THE WHOLE THING TOGETHER.
ALL WE HAVE OUT THERE IS, IS A, IS A, IS NOT A, A RESTROOM.
WE HAVE A SMALL PAVILION OVER BY THE CREEK.
AND WE HAVE THE, NOT AN AMPHITHEATER.
HELP ME UNDERSTAND YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT CREEK SITE, WHERE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THAT WAS LIKE HALF A MILL FOR A, FOR A PLAYGROUND.
FOR A PLAYGROUND, THAT'S GREAT.
AND THEN WE MOVED ON BEYOND THAT PARTICULAR PART.
SO WHAT I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING IS WHY IS CREEKSIDE HALF A MILL? BUT ORAIN IS A MILLION BECAUSE CREEKSIDE IS A, JUST A SIMPLE REPLACEMENT OF WHAT'S THERE.
SO IS A LITTLE BIT, AND THIS IS, IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR ALL ABILITIES, THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, LOGISTICAL WORK INVOLVED WITH THAT.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, TO JEFF'S POINT, CREEKSIDE IS NOT AN ALL ABILITIES.
AND SO ALL ABILITIES MEANS IT HAS TO BE 100% A DA ACCESSIBLE FOR KIDS IN WHEELCHAIRS, KIDS ON WALKERS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU DO ARTIFICIAL TURF OR SOME SORT OF PLAY TURF.
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YOU, YOU HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS OTHER THAN JUST SWINGS AND SLIDES SO THAT THEY CAN ALL GET, IT'S A LOT MORE INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE UNIQUE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU'RE PURCHASING THAT REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, A LARGER GONNA REQUIRE A LARGER PLAYGROUND.
SO WHAT IF THE PLAYGROUND DIDN'T COME FIRST? AND JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE? WHAT IF THE PLAYGROUND DIDN'T COME FIRST? IS THERE, WHAT, WHAT WOULD WANT RESTAURANT UTIL RESTROOMS ARE IMPORTANT NOW UTIL I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU.
WELL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE RESTROOMS NO MATTER WHAT.
IF WE DO HAVE A RESTROOM COMING IN, I, SORRY.
IF YOU'RE NOT DOING THE PLAYGROUND FIRST MM-HMM
WHY ARE WE DOING THIS NEXT? OKAY.
I AGREE WITH, I AGREE WITH THAT TOO.
I MEAN, IF THAT'S WHY TALK OR IS THIS ONE THAT NEEDS THE WHOLE CHUNK? WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY, THIS LOOKS LIKE WE'VE, I MEAN, CIVILIANS, RESTROOMS AND MAINTENANCE BARN ARE ALL LUMPED TOGETHER.
THEY'RE NOT BROKEN OUT INTO LINE ITEMS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO SPLITTING THIS INTO PHASES AND A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT.
BUT I THINK WE COULD DO SITE IMPROVEMENT ALLOWANCE, MAKE THAT NUMBER SMALLER.
AND JEFF, YOU SAID ABOUT A MILLION FOR THE PLAYGROUND.
IF YOU WANT ALL ABILITIES, I WOULD SAY.
WELL, DOESN'T IT HAVE TO BE ALL ABILITIES? NO, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, DOESN'T.
THAT'S JUST JUST SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD, WE NEED TO HAVE ONE.
WE SHOULD, WE HAVE THE PARKING LOT WE HAVE.
IT'S, IT'S PERFECT PLACE TO HAVE ONE.
HAVE, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, AT SOME POINT, THIS CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD ONE.
YOU MIGHT AS WELL BUILD IT NOW.
IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO, IT NOW BUILD.
WELL, I MEAN, SO THE REASON I KNOW THIS IS BECAUSE THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN DESIGNATED AS THE A DA COMPLIANCE DEPARTMENT FOR THE CITY OF HU.
AND WE HAVE BEEN PUT ON NOTICE BY TDOT WHO HAS BEEN PUT ON NOTICE BY FHWA, THAT THEY ARE THE STATE ENFORCER FOR A DA COMPLIANCE.
AND WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT ALL OF THE AGREEMENTS THAT WE'VE ENTERED INTO WITH TXDOT THAT HAVE ANY TYPE OF FUNDING ASSOCIATED WITH THEM, WILL NO LONGER BE APPROVED IF WE DON'T START MAKING TREMENDOUS STEPS TOWARDS GETTING A DA COMPLIANCE.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE CREATING AN AADA, A TRANSITION PLAN THAT WILL LOOK AT PARKS, THAT WILL LOOK AT ALL CITY BUILDINGS, WE'LL LOOK AT SIDEWALKS, WE'LL LOOK AT ALL THE THINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS TOWARDS A DA COMPLIANCE.
WE WILL HAVE AN A DA MASTER PLAN.
SO I'M JUST SAYING AT SOME POINT WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO BUILD AN ALL ABILITIES PARK, WHETHER IT BE HERE OR NOT.
THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR GUYS' CALL.
JEFF, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE SITE IMPROVEMENT ALLOWANCE UP THERE FOR? EXACTLY? WHAT IS THAT FOR? OH, WELL, THAT AREA HAVE TO BE GRADED BECAUSE IT IS, YOU KNOW, ON A SLOPE.
SO THEY HAVE TO COME IN AND DO SOME EARTH WORK AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S A LOT OF IT.
SO IF, UH, SO SINCE IT'S A MUCH MORE COMPLEX PLAYGROUND AND EVERYTHING, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN SPREAD OUT LIKE DESIGN COSTS AND DEVELOPMENT IN OVER ONE YEAR? AND THEN LOOK AT MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, PRELIMINARY CONSTRUCTION, OUR INITIAL PART, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE TO USE THE PHASE, BUT AT LEAST GET CONSTRUCTION IN THE SECOND YEAR AND THEN COMPLETE IT ALL IN THE THIRD YEAR.
SO WE SPREAD THESE COSTS OUT A LITTLE.
THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS TO, OR JUST MAKE THAT NUMBER SMALLER AND DO IT ALL AT ONCE.
I MEAN, I WAS TALKING TO KATIE AND THE THING THAT WE COULD PROBABLY PULL OUT AND DO, LIKE IN A PHASE TWO WOULD PROBABLY BE THE, THE TRAIL PATHWAY PARKING LOT RENOVATION.
THOSE ARE NOT NECESSARILY ESSENTIAL TO PEOPLE LOVE THEIR TRAILS AND THIS IS GONNA BE A GREAT CONNECTOR BECAUSE THIS IS ULTIMATELY GONNA GO TO, YOU KNOW, FURTHER DOWN AND CONNECTED TO BRUSHY CREEK.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A PHASED TWO APPROACH.
SO IF WE WERE TO DO THE SITE IMPROVEMENT ALLOWANCE, UTILITIES, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE UTILITIES, I MEAN, DEPENDING ON, I THINK WE HAVE PRETTY, PRETTY CLOSE ACCESS TO THAT, THAT MAIN RUNS ACROSS THERE FROM NARROWS.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA COST, I THINK THAT'S, BUT THEN RESTROOM.
'CAUSE WE GOTTA HAVE THE RESTROOMS IF WE'RE GONNA PUT THE PART, UH, PLAYGROUND IN AND THEN THE PLAYGROUND.
SO PAVILION, MAINTENANCE BARN, THE TRAILS PATHWAYS, SPLASH PADS, SITE FURNISHINGS, LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALL IN THE FOLLOWING FEES.
RIGHT? HE PAYS TWO AND THREE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
CAN YOU DIVIDE THOSE INTO THREE INTO TWO? SO RESTROOM IS 500,000.
IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? I MEAN THAT'S WHAT I, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I SAW AT, UH, YEAH,
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RIGHT HERE, OLD TOWN.I MEAN, IT REALLY IS GONNA DEPEND ON HOW BIG YOU WANT.
I MEAN, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON, SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE SAYING, HEY JEFF, YOU HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS IN PLAYGROUND, A MILLION DOLLARS IN SPLASH PAD, THEN THOSE ARE GONNA BE NICE BIG AMENITIES AND I'M GONNA NEED AN EIGHT OF UTILITY, SIX OR EIGHT WHOLE RESTROOM TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE OUT THERE.
I CAN'T JUST HAVE A ONE OR TWO WHOLE RESTROOM RIGHT OUT THERE.
THAT NUMBER COULD GO UP 500,000.
TWO PHASES FOR THIS ONE, UH, I ALMOST THINK WE NEED THREE JUST BECAUSE OF THE SITE CIRCULATION TRAILS, PATHWAYS AND PARKING RENOVATION.
BUT THE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT HAS TO BE ALL DONE IN ALL PHASES.
IDEALLY YOU DON'T WANT PAY FOR WATER.
YOU DON'T WANT PIECEMEAL TO DESIGN.
SO, SO DO YOU WANT TO DO THE SITE THAT IN 26 AND THEN START IN 27? I, I WOULD SAY START IN 27 BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY TAKING ON 26 FOR HU LAKE PARK.
WE GOT, WHAT WAS THE TOTAL FOR HOW TO WRITE PARKING? 26, UH, 955,000.
THAT WAS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER HERE.
BUT IF WE PILE ON TWO TWO, WE ALREADY GOT IN 2026.
WHAT YOU GOT FOR, FOR HU LAKE PARK? AND WE HAVEN'T TALKING ABOUT TRAILS YET EITHER, SO YEAH.
WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT TRAILS.
AND THIS IS ONLY OUR SECOND PARK.
I KNOW HOW MANY WE GOT IN 2026 ALREADY FOR PARKS.
SO IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT IS.
SO WHAT, WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS SITE IMPROVEMENT, UTILITIES, RESTROOMS, PLAYGROUND SOUNDS, JUST THOSE ITEMS. WELL, I SUGGESTED, BUT HE'S NOT SURE ABOUT UTILITIES.
HE DOESN'T, WELL, THE UTILITIES MIGHT DROP, BUT I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA HIGH BALL.
WE, I'M GONNA HIGHBALL IT IN PHASE ONE AND WE CAN BRING IT DOWN, IF THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
TWO PHASE, UH, THREE, BECAUSE THERE'S, YOU ALREADY SAID FOUR THINGS IN THE FIRST PHASE THOUGH,
BUT THEN THESE TWO, BUT THEN, HOLD ON, THEN WE ADD PAVILIONS FOR PHASE TWO MAINTENANCE BARN FOR PHASE TWO SPLASH PAD FOR PHASE TWO SITE FURNISHINGS FOR PHASE TWO.
SO WE PULLED THEM APART WITH THEIR RIGHT, RIGHT.
I'M, I'M NOT DOING THE CATEGORIES.
I THOUGHT YOU MEANT THAT WHOLE LINE.
SO SITE IMPROVEMENT, UTILITIES, RESTROOMS AND PLAYGROUND UTILITIES, RESTROOMS. OKAY.
AND LET'S SEE, I'VE GOT TWO 90, UH, WE'RE AT 1790.
UH, RESTROOMS, WE'RE GONNA CALL FIVE, SO THAT'S 2290 AND PLAYGROUND.
BUT THAT'S HIGH BALLING UTILITIES.
AND THAT'S FOR, UH, 27? THAT'S FOR 27.
THAT COMES OUT TO THREE, 3.29.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
EVERYONE GOOD WITH THAT? 3.29.
THEN PHASE TWO WOULD BE PAVILION MAINTENANCE,
THAT THOUGHT LANDSCAPE WAS GONNA GO AT THE END.
YEAH, PHASE WE, WE CAN PUSH IT TO THE END.
UH, OKAY, SO PAVILIONS AND MAINTENANCE BARN, WE ALREADY PULLED 500 OUT OF THAT, SO THAT'S GONNA BE SEVEN 30.
WE ALREADY PULLED A MILLION OUT, SO THAT'S GONNA BE FIVE.
HOW MUCH WAS THE FIRST ONE? UH, 3.290.
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GO IN 28, CORRECT? THIS WOULD BE FY 28.AND THEN PHASE THREE WOULD BE LANDSCAPE.
LANDSCAPE AND PARKING, NOVATION TRAILS AND PARKING.
ONE THING I DIDN'T SEE ON HERE IS LIGHTING.
IS THIS A, IS THIS A LATE, IS THIS A AFTER DARK PARK OR NO? UH, IT IS IN WITH THE, UH, UTILITIES, PARKING LOT RENOVATIONS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THERE'S LIGHTING OUT THERE.
SO LANDSCAPE TRAILS PARKING IS FOUR 10 AND 2075.
JEFF, IS THAT, IS THAT LIGHTING GONNA BE ALL THROUGHOUT THE PARK OR IS THAT JUST GONNA BE AROUND THE PARKING AREA? IT'LL MOST LIKELY, UH, BE ALONG THE TRAILS AS WE CONTINUE WITH THE SOLAR LIGHTING THROUGH THAT AND THEN IN THE PARKING LOT AREA.
HAVE YOU EVER BEEN OUT THERE? OH, I KNOW.
SO THEN ADAM MOORE GAIN BREAKS DOWN WITH SITE.
PHASE ONE IS SITE IMPROVEMENT, UTILITIES, RESTROOM, PLAYGROUND, 3.29 MIL IN FY 27.
PHASE TWO IS PAVILIONS MAINTENANCE, UH, MAINTENANCE BARNS, SPLASH PAD, FURNISHINGS, 1.23 MILLION FY 28 AND PHASE THREE, CLOSING IT OUT, IT'S LANDSCAPE TRAILS PARKING, 2.485 MIL AND FY 29.
THOSE ARE MORE DIGESTIBLE CHUNKS.
AND RICK, I SUGGEST WE TAKE A LITTLE BREAK.
HOW ABOUT, UH, I'VE GOT, UH, SEVEN NINE, SO 7 52.
LET'S, UH, LET'S RECESS UNTIL 8 0 5.
EIGHT NINE BOTTLES OF BEER ON THE WALL.
UNTIL WHAT TIME YOU SAY? 8 0 5.
IS THERE A SHEET LIKE THAT FOR CREEKSIDE ON HERE? I'VE NEVER SEEN, UH, NO.
'CAUSE WE JUST HAD THE SITE, WE HAD THOSE THREE PARKS DO SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
THERE IS SOME, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CREEKSIDE, BUT, AND, AND NEXT ONE IS CREEKSIDE, RIGHT? UH, OR LIBERTY AND EAST.
SO WE HAVE LIBERTY AND EAST HERE.
BUT THIS IS GONNA GET, THIS ONE'S GONNA GET COMPLICATED.
BECAUSE OF THE OVERLAP FEASIBILITY STUDIES.
IT DOES, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE LIKE SPECIFIC COST BREAKDOWNS.
IT JUST SAYS WHAT RENOVATIONS NEED TO HAPPEN, DO FACILITIES AND NATURAL.
SO WE MAY JUST WANNA, I'M JUST GONNA, THESE SAME TABLES THAT I PULLED OUT HERE TO GIVE EVERYONE YEAH.
YES, THAT ONE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT OKAY.
NOW, JUST SO YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT'S BELOW 50,000, I DIDN'T EVEN PUT ON THE LIST BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A CIP ITEM.
IT'S 'CAUSE LIKE PAINTING THE BRIDGE, YOU GUYS CAN DO THAT WITH YOUR MAINTENANCE.
WE'RE PAINTING THE BRIDGE THIS YEAR.
UM, AND THEN DOWN HERE, REMOVING A PICNIC AREA, LIKE $10,000.
SO I DIDN'T PUT ANY OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, DOWN HERE PLANTING TREES FOR $9,000.
UM, IT WAS BROUGHT UP WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, FACILITIES AND, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY THIS LARGER COMPLEX AND EVERYTHING MM-HMM
POSSIBLY HAVING PARKS CO-LOCATED WITH REC CENTER AND AQUATIC CENTER AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
YOU KNOW, NEAR, NEAR THEIR, THEIR BIG DOLLAR FACILITIES.
UM, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT THE TIMELINE ON THAT COULD BE.
IS THERE A TIMELINE THAT YOU, YOU WERE LOOKING AT FOR THE PARK OFFICES AT EASTON LIBERTY? I MEAN, HERE'S, I WANNA SHOW HER, IT WON'T BE A LITTLE BIT, UM, BUT HONEST.
WE'RE HAVING 11, WE'RE GONNA HAVE $11 MILLION.
AND THE FIRST THING YOU'RE GONNA SEE THERE IS THE TRAILER THAT'S 25 YEARS OLD.
25-YEAR-OLD CONSTRUCTION AREA.
UH, THAT WAS, SO JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THAT WAS
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THE CON JOB CONSTRUCTION TRAILER.SO IT'S GOING ON WHEREVER YOU, UM, WE, WE HAVE ASKED FOR MORE PERSONALITIES HERE POINT WHERE WE'RE OUTGROW ANY OF THOSE POSITIONS.
IS IT WELL MAKE US MORE EFFICIENT? NO.
WELL, THE RE THE REASON THAT I WAS KIND OF ASKING ABOUT DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE IS BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IS THE JUSTICE CENTER COMING, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL'S PUSHING THROUGH THE JUSTICE CENTER AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
SO IF THAT COMES ONLINE, LET'S SAY IN 28 OLD CITY, HALTS GONNA BE VACANT.
WOULD THAT WOULD HALL WORK? COULD THEY MAKE IT WORK? YEAH.
SO NOW I HAVE, I HAVE, I MEAN I, I'VE GOT, HERE'S OKAY, I, YOU LIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE, MAYBE HALF MILE.
I GO HOME FROM LUNCH, I TRACK MY BIOLOGICAL WEEK.
IT WAS LIKE, I DUNNO, 50, 75 MILES.
BUT I SPENT, LIKE, I SPENT LIKE FOUR HOURS DRIVING YOU FROM SITTING IN TRAFFIC OR PICKING UP THE KIDS OR, YEP.
AND SO NOW I'M TRYING TO GET ACROSS HIGHWAYS AND I'M, I'M CARRYING EQUIPMENT AND I'M TRYING TO CROSS STREET RIGHT THERE.
AND NOT WALKING IN INTERSECTION, TRYING TO MAKE THE TRAIN.
NOT, I DIDN'T WANT SAY ANYTHING THAT I PULLED THE TRAILER, SO I GET IT.
IT, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY, IT'S LIKE THE PUBLIC WORKS.
WE DON'T WANT, I MEAN, MAKE IT WORK, BUT IT'S NOT IDEAL MONEY, GAS, JUST PEOPLE SIT THERE AND TRY TO GET OUT.
LIBERTY AND EAST, IT GETS US ON TO 60.
60 GETS US ON TO LIMMER GETS US EASIER GOING NORTH THE SOUTH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE CAN EASILY ACCESS CHRIS KELLY.
WE GO DOWN 68 60 AND WE GET IN LINE COMING BACK TRYING TO CROSS.
SO LIKE I SAID, IT WAS, IT WAS SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED, UH, LAST WEEK AT P AND Z.
LIKE, HEY, WHY, WHY AREN'T WE GONNA USE, IT'S JUST WE CAN AND IT WOULD BE A BENEFIT, BUT IT'S JUST GONNA MAKE IT HARDER TO GET US TO GET IT OUTTA SO WOULD YOU AND WE HAVE A PROPERTY AND A PLAN.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW COST DIVERSE RIGHT NOW DOWN THERE.
THAT'S KNOW THE THING WITH THE PARK OFFICE.
THE THING WITH THE PARK OFFICE HAD JUST THE INITIAL OFF THE CUFF CONVERSATIONS LIKE, HEY, IS SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO BE A TENANT IN EXCHANGE FOR TENANT FEES? FILL THE THING OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW? AND THEN THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR UTIL AND STUFF.
BUT TYPICALLY THOSE BUSINESS THAT WOULD DO THAT, THEY WOULD WANT TO BID ON CITY PROJECT OR SO THEN IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, OH, OKAY, THEY GOT THE PROJECT AND THEY BUILT THAT.
YOU KNOW, SO IT'S JUST, AND THOSE ARE OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL DISCUSS CITY MANAGERS.
NOT, I, BECAUSE ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN THIS PLACE WAS BEING BUILT AND WE WERE KIND OF IN OVERFLOW OVER AT CITY HALL, WE'D USE THE UH, BUILDING RIGHT THERE ON SEVEN, NINE, UH, WHATEVER IT WAS.
WE AS AS KIND OF A TEMPORARY STOP GAP UNTIL, SO WE YEAH.
WE'VE HAD, I'VE HAD THOSE OFF THE CUFF CONVERSATION WITH THE CHAMBER.
LIKE, HEY, WOULD YOU, YOU KNOW, BE INTERESTED IF YOU'RE GOING REBA, WOULD YOU WANT TO MOVE FURTHER DOWN? YOU, WE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD KIND OF COLLAB MM-HMM
THOSE ARE JUST OFF CONVERSATIONS.
YOU KNOW, HINTED AT THE SCHOOL SEVERAL TIMES, YOU WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEIR MAKE BUS BARN AND THE OLD RIVER HORSE, WHAT IT IS NOW, THE RIVER HORSE ACADEMY OFFICES, THEY BUILT THEM.
THAT WOULD BE A PERFECT COMBINATION FOR US.
NOW DO THEY WANNA GIVE THOSE UP OR NOT? THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M SAYING.
I MEAN, I KNOW THE OTHER ONES TOO, BUT YEAH, LIKE I SAID, WE WERE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT TUESDAY AND IT'S LIKE, HUH, WE COULD MAKE IT WORK.
IT WOULD BE A BIG IMPROVEMENT, BUT IT'S JUST NOT EMORY PARK PLAN.
IT IS NOT VIABLE LONG TERM, BUT IT WOULD IT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD WAIT FOR A TEMPORARY UNTIL YOUR BETTER THAN THE TRAILER UNTIL YOUR
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NEW HOME IS BUILT.IS THAT GONNA BE, IT SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN.
IT'LL MOVE IT, IT'LL MOVE IT OUT FRITZ.
THE CHURCH ON THAT PROPERTY UP THERE BEHIND THEM.
WE'VE TALKED TO THEM BEFORE ABOUT, HEY, LET'S YOU KNOW, CAN WE BUILD A THING HERE AND WE'LL BUILD IN A PARKING LOT AND YOU CAN USE IT ON, WE WALK IT OFF AND YOU CAN USE IT ON SUNDAYS OR WHATEVER.
ALL THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN.
BUT YOU KNOW, ISN'T BIBLE CHURCH MOVIE THAT'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE OR SOMETHING? YEAH.
I WAS TELLING MATT, UH, LAST WEEK, YOU KNOW, HIM AND I HAVE BOTH SEEN 50-YEAR-OLD TEMPORARY BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW.
TEMPORARY BUILDINGS ARE THE LONGEST USE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DO IN ABILENE FOR THE LIBRARY? THEY HAVE HAVE RENTED A BIG PLACE IN THE MALL AND THAT'S WHERE THE LIBRARY IS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT A STOREFRONT? IT'S, AND I MEAN, THINK OF ALL THE BOOKS YOU COULD PUT IN THERE.
ONE OF THOSE STOREFRONT THAT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND HERE, ACROSS THAT AREA? YES.
I DUNNO WHY SOMEBODY DOESN'T BOOK INTO THAT.
THERE'S SOME FEW BUILDINGS THAT ARE EMPTY.
BUT THE ONE ON WHICH PAGE IS THAT? 51.
BUT I MEAN, I JUST THINK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RENTAL IS ON IT, BUT IT WOULD BE A LOT CHEAPER THAN BUILDING ALL NEW BUILDING AND IT MIGHT MAKE THEM HAPPY.
OH, THAT'S THE, UM, THE QUESTION MAYBE HOW ONE OF THESE IS GONNA BE HOW DEVELOPERS ASSIST.
WHICH ONE IS THAT? IT'S, UH, I CAN'T WHAT? THAT IT'S NOT ON, IT'S NOT IN THE, BECAUSE IT CAME UP.
WHAT DO YOU KNOW THE NAME OF IT? UM, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT THE NAME OF THAT DEVELOPMENT IS? ED SMITH.
AND UH, IT'S NORTH ACROSS FROM CAMRY.
RIGHT? I KNOW WHAT YOU TALKING WEST SIDE, WEST OF THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE, SO THIS OKAY, THERE'S, OKAY, SO IT'S JUST ACROSS FROM YEAH, THIS IS OUR PROPERTY RIGHT HERE TOO.
SO THIS CAME IN AFTER THE PARK.
I'M YEAH, BUT MARGO, I, MARGO, THIS IS, UH, EIGHT.
THE ONLY THING I'VE EVER SEEN THE CITY ADS IS ABOUT, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CIP BUT AREN'T SOME OF THESE REALLY BIG TICKET ITEMS AVAILABLE TO BE PUT IN TO LIKE, UH, A BOND PACKAGE? I MEAN, TO, TO, I MEAN, WE GOT BOND MONEY AVAILABLE.
WHY CAN'T YOU KNOW? WELL, SO CAN WE, CAN WE MOVE SOME OF IT TO BONDS? AND SO RIGHT NOW ALL WE'RE FOCUSING ON IS PRIORITIZATION.
WHEN, AND THEN WHEN WE COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT HOW THE MONEY PLAYS OUT IN EACH OF THE YEARS, THAT'S WHEN, UH, AND IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL.
THAT'S WHEN THEY'LL LOOK AT WHAT'S LEFT ON THE PARKS BOND, WHAT DO THEY WANT TO ISSUE BASED ON HOW MUCH THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE DEBT STRUCTURE IN THE CITY.
AND THEN, OKAY, SO THIS, WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS JUST ABOUT PRIORITIZATION.
FIGURING OUT WHEN WE WOULD LIKE TO DO WHAT PROJECTS.
BUT PLANNING AND ZONING IS YET BE NOTHING.
WE DON'T OUR, IT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW TO DETERMINE FUNDING.
WE'RE, WE'RE TO DO THE CIP, WE'RE GONNA BE GIVEN PRIORITY FUNDING, BUT WE DON'T DETERMINE HOW IF, LIKE MATT SAID, RIGHT.
SALES TAX, YOU DON'T WANNA FIGURE OUT.
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RIGHT.POINT ARE THE PRIORITY OF MONEY.
SO COUNSEL HAS SAID THAT, THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO DETERMINE, YOU'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND, YOU'RE NOT GONNA DETERMINE ANYTHING.
YOU'RE GONNA RECOMMEND HOW MUCH THEY SHOULD CONSIDER RAISING TAXES TO PAY FOR THE PRIORITIZATION SCHEME THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
NOW I CAN TELL YOU THE WAY THAT THIS HAS PLAYED OUT IN THE PAST TWO YEARS THAT I'VE DONE THIS IS WE GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS WITH THE PAST TWO YEARS.
IT'S BEEN JEFF BRINGING IT TO PARKS.
I IMPLEMENT IT INTO THIS STUFF.
I TAKE ALL THAT INFORMATION, PRESENT IT TO CITY COUNCIL.
CITY COUNCIL LOOKS AT ALL THE INFORMATION PRESENTED.
THEY MAKE THEIR FINAL DETERMINATION AND SAY, THIS IS HOW WE THINK WE EVER WANT EVERYTHING TO PLAY OUT.
THEN WE GO WITH ME, CITY MANAGER AND FINANCE DIRECTOR, AND WE SAY, OKAY, HOW CAN WE ACTUALLY PAY FOR WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US TO DO? AND THEN WE GO BACK TO THEM AND SAY, OKAY, WE THINK WE CAN DO THIS ONE WITH EXISTING BOND DOLLARS.
THIS ONE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ISSUE DEBT FOR THIS ONE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO M AND O ON ALL THAT STUFF.
AND THEN THEY GO, OKAY, BUT THAT'S OUTSIDE.
WE ARE, WE'RE GONNA DO IT ALL M AND OI GUESS.
DOING, YOU GUYS JUST DON'T LIKE GOING HOME, DO YOU? SO YOU GUYS ARE GOING, YOU CAN'T GO HOME.
HEY MATT, REAL QUICK, HOW DID THIS COME ABOUT? THAT'S STRAIGHT OUT OF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA JUMP IN REAL QUICK.
UM, WE HAVE ONE MORE PARK THAT HAS THE, THE GROUP THING ON HERE.
AND THEN I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE WILL WORK THROUGH THESE LISTS.
THIS IS THE TABLES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHAT THE RED LINES MEAN WHEN WE GET THERE.
UM, BUT, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE THREE BIG PARK PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THIS MASTER PLAN.
THERE'S A LOT OF LOW HANGING FRUIT OUT THERE IS WHAT I'LL CALL IT.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE OTHER 95 PARK PROJECT
AND SO, UM, I THINK FIRST IF WE WANT TO HIT, UH, EAST AND LIBERTY PARK AND SEE HOW WE WANT TO BREAK THAT ONE UP.
UH, AND DO THE SAME KIND OF PHASING CONVERSATION THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN HAVING.
AND THEN WE'LL JUMP TO THOSE OTHER TABLES.
TRY TO KNOCK OUT PARKS QUICKLY.
'CAUSE WE STILL GOTTA GET TO TRAILS.
UM, OKAY, MY FIRST QUESTION ON THIS IS, THE SITE IMPROVEMENT ALLOWANCE IS HUGE.
WHAT IS GOING ON THERE? WHAT IS IT'S AN UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY MAINTENANCE BUILDING.
SO IT'S GONNA HAVE TO HAVE GEOTECHS AND IT'S, IT'S NEXT TO, FOR AWARENESS NEXT TO DEBBIE HOLLANDS AND IT'S NEXT TO UM, MUSTANG CREEK.
AND SO IT'S GOT A LOT OF, UH, NEIGHBORS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDERED OF.
SO IT'S LITTLE BIT MORE INVOLVEMENT WITH THAT.
AND THAT'S A THREE ACRE SITE, RIGHT? YEAH, 3.14 ACRES.
GIVE OR TAKE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CLEAR IT.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GRAB IT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REGRADE IT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO WHAT HAS TO COME FIRST? WELL, SITE IMPROVEMENT OBVIOUSLY.
SO I'M GONNA PUT DOWN EAST LIBERTY AND WE'LL START LOOKING AT THAT ONE.
BUT, UH, SO ON THERE YOU'VE GOT MAINTENANCE BUILDING AND COMMUNITY MEETING ROOM.
WE JUST DISCUSSED WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED LAST WEEK ABOUT PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER WITH THE LIBRARY AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO WOULD IT BE WISE TO KEEP IT UP THERE LIKE THAT? OR WOULD IT BE BETTER TO REMOVE THAT FROM HERE? WELL, TONY, ONE, ONE THING WE'RE LOOKING AT STAGGERING THESE OUT AND WE WERE TO PUT THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING AND COMMUNITY MEETING ROOM IN AS PHASE THREE.
WHAT, WHAT, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT, WHAT WE DID FOR THE, THE OTHER THING, UH, WE DID THE BUT WOULD IT BE DUPLICATED, I GUESS IS MAYBE WELL THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
BUT WHAT HE'S SAYING THAT IF, IF, IF THEY GO AHEAD AND, AND DO THE PRELIMINARY FOR YEAH, NO, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND ALL THAT.
IN 27 OR 28, THEN THERE WON'T BE ANY NEED TO HAVE THAT.
THE FEASIBILITY STUDIES, RIGHT.
WERE THEY NOT? THAT'S WHEN WE PLUGGED IT IN.
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PUT, I WASN'T THINKING THAT WAY FAR ENOUGH WHERE WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE FEASIBILITY OF, HEY, DOES DOES IT NEED TO BE HERE? DOES IT NEED TO BE HERE? ET CETERA, ET CETERA.SO I THINK IF WE WERE TO PUT THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING AND COMMUNITY MEETING ROOM AS THE PHASE THREE, AND AGAIN, PUT THE PLAY STRUCTURES FIRST.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THESE THREE.
BUT THAT ONE FIRST IN PHASE ONE, THEN WE CAN FILL IT IN AND THAT PRICE TAG MIGHT BE CHOPPED IN HALF BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA GET A SHINY NEW BUILDING NEXT TO THE REC CENTER THAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
WE'RE GONNA DO, OR, AND THAT MAY GET TO BE SLASHED BECAUSE IT WOULD BE DUPLICATED SOMEWHERE THAT THAT'S FINE.
THE, THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING AND COMMUNITY ROOM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONLY 12,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO FOR PERSPECTIVE, THE FRITZ PAVILION IS LIKE 7,000 SQUARE FEET.
YOU KNOW, AND SO DON'T GET THE, DON'T LET THE TERM COMMUNITY CENTER COMMUNITY ROOM THROW YOU OFF.
IT'S NOT A 20,000 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S JUST THAT IF, IF, IF THE CITY DECIDES TO GO WAS THE OTHER PLAN THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THEN WELL THERE WON'T REALLY BE A NEED FOR A COMMUNITY MEETING ROOM THERE.
AND THE, THE BIG SHE MENTIONED KATIE, MAKE A POINT THAT WHY THE BIG PRICE TAG FOR THAT IS ONE OF THAT IS BECAUSE, UM, ALL OF OUR CURRENT EQUIPMENT SITTING, SITTING AT PUBLIC WORKS YARD.
WHICH IS FINE, BUT IT'S ALL SITTING OUTSIDE.
AND IT'S ALL ODING AWAY MUCH QUICKER.
SO THE IDEA IS I'M NOT, I'M NOT AGAINST A MAINTENANCE BUILDING.
I WOULD RATHER SEE MAINTENANCE BUILDING IN THE PARKS OFFICE THAN THAT INSTEAD OF COMMUNITY MEETING.
THE COMMUNITY MEETING WAS A BUILT ON, IT WAS JUST 2000 SQUARE FEET ADD-ON.
SO IT WAS JUST A WE'RE BUILDING THE BUILDING TO THROW IT ON THERE AS A SPACE FOR YES.
TALK THE ROTARY QAS OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT IS A SPOT FOR THE PARK OFFICES, BUT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT WE'VE GOT SCHEDULED FOR 26 SHOULD HELP US DETERMINE RIGHT WHERE WE PUT THAT.
SO PHASE ONE SITE IMPROVEMENT OFFICES UP THERE, MAINTENANCE BUILDING, UH, I'M THINKING IT DOESN'T SAY PARK OFFICES UP THERE, THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING.
ARE YOU GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THE PARKING LOT IF YOU, UH, THE FIRST YEAR? YEAH.
SO IT'D HAVE TO BE IF YOU DO PLAY STRUCTURES IN PARKING LOT.
SO FIRST IS SITE IMPROVEMENT, SITE CIRCULATION, WALKING PATH, PARKING, WELL, SITE IMPROVEMENT, FIRST GRADING AND ALL OF THE STUFF THAT TOUCH UTILITIES TOO.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PLAYGROUND AND A PLAY STRUCTURE? ALL THE OTHER ONES HAVE PLAYGROUND.
SO THIS PARTICULAR PLAY STRUCTURE, IF YOU MATT, WE BRING UP PAGE, UH, 79.
THAT WAS ONE OF THEY CONSIDERED FOR THE FRITZ PARK.
IT'S A BIG HIPPO THAT YOU CAN CRAWL IN AND OUT OF AND SLIDE OFF AT ALL.
WHAT'S THIS? SO 1.2 MILLION I THINK IT WAS.
THAT'S THAT'S ALSO A SENSORY PLAY.
THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK WAS LIKE HALF A MILLION.
SO A PLAYGROUND, WE'VE BEEN KIND OF BACK IN HALF A MILLION.
IT WAS A MILLION FOR THE ALL ABILITIES.
THIS ONE'S EVEN MORE THAN THE ALL ABILITIES.
SO CAN WE GET AWAY WITH 500,000 FOR TYPICAL PLAYGROUND? MM-HMM
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN INSTEAD OF A LIKE GET A PLAYGROUND FOR HALF A MILL INSTEAD OF A HIPPO FOR HALF A MILL.
WELL, BUT THAT'S NOT HALF A MILL.
THE HIPPO IS 1.2 FOR PLAY STRUCTURES, ACCESSORY PLAY.
I'M SAYING NOT THE WHOLE, I'M SAYING NO PLAY STRUCTURE, SENSORY PLAY CHANGE THAT TO BE A PLAYGROUND.
SO THE THE ONE YEAH, THE 1.2 INCLUDED, THE HIPPO INCLUDED SENSORY PLAY INCLUDING INCLUSIVE PLAY AREA AND LIKE AN EDUCATIONAL GUARD I THINK WAS ALL INCLUDED IN THAT.
SO THAT, SO THE UH, BUT THAT COULD BE MODIFIED.
SO WITH THE BILITIES GOING IN AT ORDAIN YES.
UM, NORTH OF 79 WOULD BE NICE, BUT I DON'T SEE IT AS A CRITICAL NEED AS MUCH AS GETTING A PLAYGROUND AND A SECOND PLAYGROUND.
WELL, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS ISN'T ALL ABILITIES.
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ALL ABILITIES AND SENSORY PLAY.
I THINK, I THINK EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE ALL ABILITIES.
IT NEEDS TO BE, YOU MIGHT AS WELL DO IT NOW.
INSTEAD OF HAVING SOMEONE COME BACK, THE GOVERNMENT COME BACK AND SAY, YOU GOTTA DO IT NOW
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IS GONNA COST YOU A WHOLE LOT MORE MONEY.IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO DO IT ONCE, HOW CAN YOU AFFORD TO DO IT TWICE? YEP.
THAT ENTITY THAT YOU SAID IS REGULATING TDOT.
F-W-A-F-H-W-A FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION.
THEY ARE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S ENFORCER FOR A DA.
SO IS THERE REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE EVERY PARK BE ADA A COMPLIANT? OR CAN IT BE LIKE ONE PARK IN HUDDLE? LIKE WHAT'S THE RULE? WELL, ALL OF THEM.
SO YOU WANT THE LEGAL, WHAT ARE WE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO DO, MATT? LEGALLY YOU ARE REQUIRED ANYTHING THAT YOU USE TAX PAYER DOLLARS FOR YOU ARE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL, EVERY SINGLE CITIZEN, REGARDLESS OF THEIR ABILITY, CAN ACCESS THAT THING THAT THEY SPENT THEIR TAX DOLLARS ON.
SO ALL OF 'EM HAVE TO DRIVE ALL OF IT.
SO IT'S AN BILITIES PLAYGROUND.
SO DOES THAT THEN CHANGE THE PRICE TAG FOR EVERY OTHER PARK WE JUST DISCUSSED? YEP.
BECAUSE IT WAS HALF A MILLION FOR A PLAYGROUND AND NOW WE'RE SAYING THEY NEED TO BE 80 A COMPLIANT.
SO DOES THAT LINE ITEM NEED TO BE ADJUSTED TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT? I, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
ON THE REFURB, IT'S, IT'S A RE IT'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT DO YOU WANT TO BUILD WHAT'S IN THE MASTER PLAN NOW AND COME BACK LATER AND DO SAY WE'RE WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING EVERYTHING AADA A COMPLIANT, WE'RE BUILDING THIS PART.
WE'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT A, A COMPLIANT NOW, BUT ALL THE OTHER ONES ARE GONNA BE PHASED IN IN THE FUTURE.
'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKS.
THEY'RE NOT AADA A COMPLIANT RIGHT NOW MM-HMM
SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME IN AND SAY, TEAR DOWN YOUR PARK AND START OVER AND YOU HAVE TO DO IT ALL TODAY.
WE'RE GONNA SAY WE'RE WORKING ON IT.
WE'VE GOT A PLAN THAT'S THE WHOLE A DA TRANSITION MASTER PLAN.
BUT AT SOME POINT, YES, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS GONNA COME IN TO HUDDLE AND SAY YOU WILL COMPLY.
BECAUSE SEE, THAT'S AN ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.
IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE A TRULY ALL ACCESSIBLE PART BECAUSE SOMEBODY THAT'S CONFINED TO A WHEELCHAIR CANNOT WALK AT ALL, CANNOT CLIMB STAIRS FOR A SLIDE, AND HE CAN'T GO DOWN THE SLIDE ON HIS WHEELCHAIR.
SO, I MEAN, NOT EVERYTHING IN THE PARK IS GOING TO BE A DA COMPLIANT FOR EVERYBODY OF EVERY CONCEIVABLE AFFLICTION.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE REQUIREMENT.
JUST THINK ABOUT ANY BUILDING YOU GO INTO, ANY PARKING LOT THAT YOU'VE EVER GONE INTO HAS TO HAVE A HANDICAP RAMP.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN A DA SPACE.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE A DA ACCESSIBLE PATH.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE THINGS FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE AN ELEVATOR DOWNSTAIRS.
BUT YOU DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO BUILD AN A DA RAMP UP THE STAIRS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN USE THE STAIRS IF THEY WANT TO.
WE HAVE AN ELEVATOR THEY CAN USE THE OTHER.
IF YOU GO AND DO ALL OF, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, IF YOU BUILD A REGULAR PLAYGROUND, LIKE LET'S SAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EASTERN LIBERTY RIGHT NOW, YOU BUILD A REGULAR PLAYGROUND THAT'S ACCESSIBLE FOR KIDS THAT AREN'T A DA MM-HMM
AND THEN LATER ON WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COMES IN AND SAYS, OKAY, NOW YOU'VE GOTTA MAKE IT A DA, YOU CAN ADD ON A SECTION TO IT THAT IS MM-HMM
AND THAT SATISFIES THE LEGAL TERM.
THE ADA, A COMPONENT COMES INTO PLAY WITH ACCESS PARTICULAR PLAYGROUND.
IF IT'S WOOD FIBERS, YOU'RE IN A WHEELCHAIR OR A STROLLER, YOU CAN'T PUSH THOSE ACROSS THE WOOD FIBERS OR MULCH.
SO IT BECOMES A LOT OF SURFACE AND THEN IT BECOMES MORE RAMPS.
IT'S LONG LEAD UP RAMPS TO ACCESS DIFFERENT POINTS.
IF IT'S A CLIMBING THING, YES.
THERE'S NO WAY THEY CAN, IF THEY'RE IN A WHEELCHAIR BOUND, THEY CAN CLIMB THEM, BUT THEY CAN ACCESS THE PLATE.
BUT THEY DO HAVE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT YOU CAN RUN PLAYGROUNDS NOW THAT TO WHERE LIKE THEY HAVE THIS BIG LOOKING SWING THING THAT YOU CAN ROLL A WHEELCHAIR UP INTO.
SO YOU HAVE LITTLE GAMES THAT THEY CAN PLAY WITH THEIR HANDS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO START TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO IMPLEMENT THROUGHOUT OUR PARKS.
BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, FOR THIS CONVERSATION TODAY, WHAT I HEARD PERRY SAY IS, WE CAN PROCEED WITH THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE NOW AND THEN ADJUST AS NECESSARY GOING FORWARD.
SO ARE WE IN AGREEMENT THAT THAT'S OKAY TO DO THAT INSTEAD OF TWEAKING THIS TO MAKE IT A DA 500,000 INSTEAD OF A MILLION? RIGHT.
SO JUST LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE MEETING TO MOVE ALONG.
IS IT GONNA COST MORE IN THE FUTURE TO MAKE IT THAT WAY? OR WHEN YOU START IT, WHICH WOULD IT BE YOU THINK? LIKE, I THINK, UM, YOU'RE THINKING, LIKE, I'M THINKING DO IT NOW WHEN YOU'RE DOING IT, IT'S GOING TO COST YOU LESS TO DO IT TODAY THAN IT IS THREE YEARS FROM NOW.
SO IF YOU BUILD A, LET'S JUST TAKE ATTORNEY'S EXAMPLE.
IF YOU BUILD A PLAYGROUND LIKE THE FRITZ PLAYGROUND, NOW WE'RE BUILDING IN FIVE YEARS, IT WOULDN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE FOR US TO COME AND RIP IT OUT.
AND DO AGAIN, NOW AT THE END OF ITS LIFESPAN, IF WE CHOSE TO DO THAT, THEN IT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
AND SO THE, THE QUESTION THAT YOU HAVE TO ANSWER IS, DO YOU WANT, DO WE WANNA BE IN A SOCIETY OR
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A CITY THAT HAS MOST OF OUR PARKS ALL ACCESSIBLE IF YES.AND THAT'S GREAT, ESPECIALLY OUR PLAYGROUNDS, BUT THE PRICE IS GONNA GO UP AND THAT'S A COST MAYBE ON THE NEW ONES, PLUS ANOTHER THING NEED, WE HAVE EXISTING ONES THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO, THERE'S GOING TO BE THAT RESIDENT OUT THERE THAT'S GONNA FILE A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY BECAUSE OF ONE OF THE PARKS.
I'LL GUARANTEE THERE'S GOING TO BE A, A RESIDENT OUT THERE THAT WILL DO THAT.
AND OUR DEFENSE IS GOING TO BE YEAH.
BUT THERE'S ONE ON THE CELL SIDE THAT IS A D EIGHT.
AND IF WE MAKE THIS ONE ALL ACCESS, BUT IF THERE'S, BUT IF THE LAW SAYS THEY ALL HAVE TO BE, THEN THE LAW, THE LAW SAYS THEY ALL HAVE TO BE.
BUT THESE PARKS PREDATED THE LAW.
I'M, I I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE PUTTING IN A BRAND NEW PARK HERE.
WE'RE PUTTING IN A BRAND NEW PARK HERE.
SO IT'S NOT AN, I THINK ALL YOU NEED IS AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.
I DON'T THINK WE, I DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT'S THE AADA, A TRANSITION PLAN, THE ADA, A TRANSITION PLAN, LEGAL OF IT SHOWS THAT WE HAVE TAKEN A D INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS TOWARDS THE AADA A TRANSITION PLAN, WHICH, SO LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND CONSIDER THIS ONE AN AADA, A PARK.
THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I, WHERE I WAS GOING IS LET'S, INSTEAD OF DOING 1.2 MILLION FOR PLAY STRUCTURE AND SENSORY PLAY, LET'S MAKE IT ALL, ALL ACCESS, ALL ABILITY FOR WELL, THE THING THAT WE, MILLION, THE THING THAT WE WERE TRYING, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND THE REASON WE KIND OF WENT WITH THE HIPPO AND SENSORY PLAY IS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO OUR NEIGHBORS THAT, ESPECIALLY THE OLD TOWN NEIGHBORS THAT ARE THERE.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY DIDN'T PLAN ON HAVING THIS POPULAR A DA PLAYGROUND GOING RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE KIDS ARE SCREAMING 12 HOURS A DAY OUTSIDE THEIR BACKYARD.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE OPTED FOR THE SENSORY ROUTE, WHICH JUST TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, BUT THAT'S TAKE CARE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
AND, AND THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING IS YEAH.
I'M JUST GIVING YOU THE BACKGROUND WHY WE CHOSE TO DO THAT EVENTUALLY IT IS GONNA BE 80, IT IS GONNA BE AN 88 PARK, AND THOSE NEIGHBORS ARE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.
OR WE JUST TAKE THE PLAYGROUND OUT OF EXACTLY EAST AND LIBERTY TO BEGIN WITH.
HAVE A WALKING TRAIL AND HAVE, YEAH.
THEN IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH TO THAT.
WELL THEN LET ME ASK, WHERE WOULD THE SECOND PLAYGROUND BE? WE HAVE TONS OF OTHER PARKLAND.
GOTTA BE ON THE NORTH SIDE SOMEWHERE.
BUT THEN AGAIN, THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE OVER THERE WOULD BE VERY UPSET BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN PROMISED THAT'S GONNA BE A PARK.
BUT PARK DOESN'T MEAN A PLAYGROUND.
IT DOESN'T MEAN, BUT MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ASSUME THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE AT LEAST SWINGS.
I MEAN, WE COULD GO AND STICK SOME WINGS OUT THERE AND YOU GOT PLAYGROUND.
BUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS AN HOA, DO THEY HAVE A PLAYGROUND IN THEIR HOA NO.
IS THERE, IS THERE A PLAYGROUND THERE? BIG DURANGO DOES THEY HAVE THAT.
THEY HAVE A DOG PARK AND THEY HAVE A BASKETBALL BOARD.
SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT POOL ARE THE DURANGO HAS A PLAYGROUND, AN HOA PLAYGROUND.
WHERE THEY HAVE A PLAYGROUND, A RIGHT NEXT TO THE DOG PARK.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO WHAT THE DOG PARK.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEY HAD DOG PARK.
IS IT, IT'S, SO AS WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER WHAT THE HOAS HAVE, LIKE PLAYGROUNDS AND SPLASH PADS AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
BECAUSE A LOT OF COMMUNITIES HAVE THOSE THINGS BUILT IN.
YEAH, BUT HO SO THE THING THEY HAVE TO CONSIDER, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND THERE'S SOME VALIDITY TO THAT.
HOES ARE PRIVATELY OWNED, MANAGED PLAYGROUNDS.
THESE ARE, SO I'M SAYING LIKE, IF YOU BUILT A PLAYGROUND CLOSE TO WHERE I LIVE MM-HMM
PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN MY COMMUNITY MAY NOT GO BECAUSE OUR PLAYGROUND IS CLOSER.
SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT LIKE, LOCATION MATTERS BECAUSE IF THEY ALREADY HAVE IT CLOSE TO THEIR HOME, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT UTILIZE THESE THINGS.
IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAH.
AND LIKE I SAID, THE MAIN, THE MAIN THING WE WANTED HERE IS SOMETHING VERTICAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE FLOODWAY.
AND SO TO KIND OF, THE PLAYGROUND WAS TO KIND OF BUILD IT OUT AND DO THAT.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IF YOU'RE ASKING ME PERSONALLY, I'M NOT GONNA DIE ON THIS HILL ABOUT A PLAYGROUND THERE OR NOT.
WE NEED A MAINTENANCE BUILDING
SO, YOU KNOW, THE DESCRIPTION OF THAT AREA SAID THAT,
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UH, IT WAS GOING TO BE A MAINTENANCE BUILDING AND PARK'S OFFICE.SO HOW DID THE PEOPLE OF O TOWN TAKE TO TAKE TO THAT IDEA A MAINTENANCE BUILDING AND A PARK OFFICE CIRCLE? WELL, I MEAN, I DIDN'T SHARE WITH EVERYONE IN O TOWN.
I DID SHARE IT WITH, UM, OUR MOST, UM, THE NEIGHBOR THAT WE MOVED IMPACTED THE MOST I FELT, WHICH WAS THE HIGHLANDS.
AND I, I, I HAVE TO LOOK MY TEXT, BUT I DON'T THINK NO, THAT'S FINE.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS ANYTHING LIKE, NO, DON'T BE THAT.
OR, I MEAN, I CAN LOOK, SEE WHAT HER TEXT SAID, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER IT BEING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO THE CHECK DON'T, DON'T BUILD IT.
I DON'T WANT THAT NEAR MY, NEAR MY HOUSE.
BECAUSE I HAVE JUST SCREENSHOT THE THING.
SO TRYING TO, TRYING TO GET IT MOVING AGAIN.
IF WE'RE NOT DOING A PLAYGROUND HERE, WHERE ARE WE DOING IT? WHERE ARE WE DOING THE PLAYGROUND? IS IT NORTH SIDE 21 ACRES BARN IS, SO CAN I, I'LL PUT A TIME OUT RIGHT THERE,
UH, LET'S FOCUS ON THIS AND GET THIS DONE.
BECAUSE YOU'LL SEE WHEN WE GET TO THE OTHER TABLES, THERE ARE OTHER PARKS THAT YOU CAN SAY, OH, THIS MAKE, THIS MAY BE A GOOD IDEA FOR A, A PLAYGROUND ON THE NORTH SIDE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
BUT I WOULD SAY, LET'S FINISH THIS ONE UP SO THAT WE CAN MOVE ON TO THAT LIST, BECAUSE OKAY.
SO IF WE DON'T MAKE IT A PARK, WHAT DOES IT BECOME? IF IT, IF IT DOESN'T BECOME A MAINTENANCE BUILDING AND A, A COMMUNITY MEETING ROOM, IT DOESN'T BECOME A PARK.
IT SHOULD BE WHAT? IT SHOULD BE A MAINTENANCE BUILDING.
WHAT, WHAT DOES IT BECOME? IT BECOMES THOSE THINGS.
IT HAS A PARKING LOT, IT HAS A MAINTENANCE BUILDING.
IT COULD HAVE, IT COULD HAVE OTHER, IT COULD HAVE A WALKING PATH, NON PLAYGROUND.
IT COULD HAVE LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, NINJA WARRIOR COURSE THINGS THERE.
IT COULD HAVE OTHER ATTRACTIONS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY WHAT YOU CALL PLAYGROUND.
SO IT COULD HAVE OTHER COMPONENTS THERE.
NO, IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH OF THAT.
LIKE ON THE WALKING PATH, HAVE A LITTLE PLACE WHERE THEY STOP AND DO A COUPLE OF EXERCISES OR SOMETHING.
JUST A SMALL EXERCISE STATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S LOTS OF LITTLE THINGS YOU CAN PUT IN THERE.
SO WE DID THAT AT YOUTUBE THERE.
HERE'S WHAT THE PLAN SHOWS FOR THIS PARK.
RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE A SHADE STRUCTURE, INCLUSIVE PLAY AREA, UH, HIPPO STRUCTURE.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROVIDE DETENTION.
UH, THAT'S PART OF, OF YOUR SITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE MAKING.
12 IS OPEN LAWN 10 IS, UH, AN OBSTACLE COURSE, ONE IS A OFFICE BUILDING, TWO IS A MEETING ROOM AND RESTROOM.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT THE PLAN WAS THAT, UM, WAS ADOPTED.
WHY DON'T WE JUST SET THAT UP IN PHASES AND GO WITH IT.
MY, MY ONLY MY ONLY THING WITH THIS IS LET'S MAKE IT ALL ACCESS.
AND I THINK, LET'S WAIT RICK, BECAUSE IF THIS IS ONLY THREE ACRES, WE'RE NOT WORKING WITH A LOT OF SPACE.
AND LIKE HOW MATT SAID, THERE'S OTHER THINGS ON THE LIST THAT MIGHT BE LIKE, THAT'S A BETTER LOCATION FOR THE PARK.
SO I, MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE PAUSE ON THIS WHOLE PARK CONVERSATION, SPLIT THIS INTO PHASES BY REMOVING THE PLAY STRUCTURE.
AND MOVE ON DOWN THE CIP LIST OF THE OTHER ITEMS AND IDENTIFY WHERE A PARK MAKES SENSE TO PUT IT.
SO THAT MEANS WE'RE LOOKING AT TAKING 1.2 5000001.5 OUT.
SO THAT CUTS US DOWN TO ROUGHLY FIVE.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO SITE, SITE GROOM, UH, THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO MAINTENANCE BUILDING AND COMMUNITY RE MEETING ROOM, OR JUST MAINTENANCE BUILDING.
WE, WE'LL JUST DO HOW, HOW ABOUT IF WE JUST DO STRUCTURES? SO YOU'RE GONNA START IN 2028, RIGHT? UH, BECAUSE YOU DID 26, 27, 28, AND THEN 27, 28, 29.
SO LET'S DO SITE IMPROVEMENT AND BUILDINGS, WHATEVER THOSE BUILDINGS ARE USED FOR.
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MEETING, WHATEVER.SO I'M GONNA PAUSE YOU RIGHT THERE.
'CAUSE THERE WAS A PRIOR CONVERSATION.
IT WAS TONY AND YOU, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO IT WAS ABOUT.
DO WE WANT TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY ROOM PARK BUILDING FEASIBILITY EARLY BECAUSE OF THE FEASIBILITY THAT'S GOING ON? AND THE CONVERSATION WAS WE WERE GONNA PUT THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS INTO 2030 SO THAT THE FEASIBILITY PLAYS OUT.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE I AM NOT IN THE MAJORITY HERE.
BUT AS FAR AS THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING GOES, JEFF, IF YOU HAVE A MAINTENANCE BUILDING AT, AND IT'S GONNA BE INCONVENIENCE FOR A WHILE, BUT IF YOU HAVE A MAINTENANCE BUILDING AT PUDDLE LAKE, WILL THAT NOT BE BIG ENOUGH THAT YOU CAN KEEP YOUR EQUIPMENT? NO.
THAT, THAT WOULD JUST A, THAT OF A MAINTENANCE BUILDING IS BIG.
THAT WAS JUST A PLACE TO LIKE, KEEP SUPPLIES, KEEP LAWNMOWER, LAWNMOWERS, KEEP BUYING THEIR STUFF.
THEY'RE NOT, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MAINTENANCE BUILDING AND OFFICES, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME WHERE WE CAN HAVE, THEY CAN HAVE A PROPER BREAK ROOM WHERE THEY CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN ONE RESTROOM.
THEY CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, A PLACE FOR US TO MEET PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME IN AND ENGAGE WITH US.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF ANYBODY'S EVER BEEN IN THE TRAILER, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S A TRAILER.
I'VE, I'VE BEEN IN IT, SO, YEAH.
SO WHAT DO WE THINK? DO WE WANT, CAN, CAN WE PUT A CAVEAT ON THERE TO, TO LET THE COUNCIL KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING THE OTHER, THE OTHER COMMUNITY CENTER AND EVERYTHING THAT IS AN IDEA AND THAT THIS IS AN OPTION? SURE.
I MEAN, WE, WE, I MEAN, CAN WE NOT STRESS THAT TO THE
BUT MY, I GUESS MY WAY OF THINKING WAS IF WE DE CONFLICTED HERE, THEN IT'S NOT CONFLICT.
NOT A CONFLICT WHEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL.
WHAT THAT'S
THE, SO CAN I SPEAK AS A STAFF MEMBER? I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS OTHER FACILITY'S GONNA GO.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GONNA GO.
YOU KNOW, TO US, THIS IN THE IMMEDIATE REALM OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE EITHER THE OLD PUBLIC WORKS YARD OR THE OLD POLICE STATION, OR THIS MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR US.
BECAUSE IT IS CI LOCATED, YOU KNOW, IT'S CLOSE TO FRITZ PARK, IT'S CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN, CLOSE TO BETTER SOMEWHERE.
CLOSE TO GYM BUILDING CLOSE TO ACCESS TO BACK AND FORTH.
SO TO THIS BUILDING ON THE OTHER ONE, DON'T, DON'T, DON'T PROPOSE A, A, UH, MAINTENANCE BUILDING.
BUT IT'S A MAINTENANCE BUILDING.
YOU MEAN AN HUDDLE? IT PARK THAT'S ON? NO, NO, NO, NO.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LAST WEEK.
OH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T INCLUDE THE PARKS OFFICES, EVERYTHING EXCEPT, UM, THE MAINTENANCE, THE PARKS, MAINTENANCE.
THE PARKS, THE PARKS OFFICE AND MAINTENANCE BUILDING AND THE FEASIBILITY.
I MEAN, I MEAN, IF JEFF SAYS HE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE IT HERE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE OTHER FACILITY IS EITHER.
I NEVER, I KNOW WHAT I HAVE HERE.
SO, SO HERE'S THE THING THAT I'LL POINT OUT.
SO HERE'S HOW THE FEASIBILITY STUDIES HAVE BEEN PLAYING OUT.
THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY IS DONE.
THEY CAME IN, THEY SAT DOWN WITH STAFF, THEY TOURED THE EXISTING FACILITY.
THEY TALKED TO EVERY PUBLIC WORKS MEMBER.
THEY MET WITH THEM AS A GROUP.
THEY SAID, WHAT IS YOUR GROWTH PLAN? HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE? HOW MUCH SPACE DO YOU HAVE? WHAT ARE THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU WOULD SEE WITH YOUR CURRENT SETUP? ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
THEN THEY CAME UP WITH A PLAN FOR HOW BIG OF A BUILDING WE NEED TO GROW BASED ON WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO NEED IN THE FUTURE.
NOT WHAT THEY SAY THEY NEED TODAY.
BUT THEY, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE WHOLE FEASIBILITY PROCESS, IS YOU PROGRAM THE BUILDING, THEN YOU PLAN THE BUILDING FOR WHAT YOUR PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE.
AND THEN YOU GO FROM THERE TO LAYING OUT, HEY, THIS IS HOW MUCH LAND YOU'RE GONNA NEED BECAUSE YOUR BUILDING IS 40,000 SQUARE FEET.
PLUS YOU NEED 200,000 SQUARE FEET OF HANGAR, OPEN BAY.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PARKING FOR ALL OF YOUR PEOPLE.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, SO NOW YOU NEED A 10 ACRE SITE.
RIGHT? THE JUSTICE CENTER, WHICH SHOULD BE WRAPPING UP THIS SUMMER, SAME EXACT THING.
WE SAT DOWN WITH EMERGENCY OPS, PD COURTS, AND WE
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SAID, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TODAY? SO THEY TOURED ALL THE FACILITIES, THEY TALKED TO ALL THE STAFF.THEY WENT THROUGH AND TALKED TO THE HEADS OF EVERYTHING AND SAID, HOW MUCH ARE YOU GONNA GROW? WHAT DO YOU SEE COMING DOWN THE ROAD? WHAT IS YOUR GROWTH PLAN? NOT JUST TOMORROW OR TWO YEARS, OR FIVE YEARS? WHAT'S YOUR 30 YEAR GROWTH PLAN? THIS IS HOW BIG OF A SPACE THAT YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA NEED.
THIS IS HOW BIG OF A COURTROOM YOU'RE GONNA NEED.
THIS IS HOW BIG OF A DETENTION CELL THIS IS, HOW MANY ANIMAL FACILITIES YOU'RE GONNA NEED.
WHATEVER THE CASE IS, THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SOAR ALL OF YOUR EVIDENCE.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, EVIDENCE FOR PD IS STORED AT THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO THEY CAME UP AND NOW THEY'RE COMING UP WITH AN ULTIMATE LAYOUT OF HOW BIG OF A PIECE OF LAND WE NEED, HOW BIG OF A BUILDING THEY NEED, HOW TO SEPARATE COURTS FROM EMERGENCY OPS, FROM PD, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
AND SO WHEN YOU SAY, LET'S JUST PUT THE BUILDING ON THIS AND TAKE THE FEASIBILITY OUT, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE GET SOMEBODY IN HERE, HAVE THEM TALK TO JEFF AND HIS PEOPLE, LOOK AT ALL THE EQUIPMENT, LOOK AT THE STORAGE, LOOK AT THE LOCKER ROOM, LOOK AT THE RESTROOM, LOOK AT ALL THOSE THINGS, AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT HOW MANY COMMUNITY EVENTS DO YOU HAVE? HOW MANY KIDS DO YOU HAVE IN SUMMER CAMP? HOW MANY DIFFERENT THINGS ARE YOU HOSTING WHERE YOU NEED A BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN A ROOM? HOW BIG, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE SHOWING UP? WHAT'S YOUR GROWTH PROJECTED LOOK TO LOOK LIKE? NOW WE KNOW YOU'RE GONNA NEED THIS BIG OF A SPACE TO HOUSE ALL OF YOUR STAFF, TO HOUSE ALL OF YOUR EQUIPMENT, TO HAVE ALL THE EVENTS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO HOLD.
NOW WE KNOW THAT YOU NEED 10 ACRES OF LAND OR 20 ACRES OF LAND TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT WE SAY, EH, GIVE 'EM THREE ACRES.
WHATEVER THEY GET, THEY CAN GET.
I THINK, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IN TWO YEARS WITH PARKS GOING, WE GAVE YOU THREE ACRES.
WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED? AND THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE, WE OUTGREW THAT.
THE FIRST DAY, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? AND THAT TRUE, I DON'T KNOW.
WHAT IF WE PAUSE ON THIS SLIDE ALTOGETHER AND JUST MOVE ON.
WE GOTTA, WE GOT 90 ITEMS TO GO.
WE WE'RE NOT GONNA DO 90 ITEMS TONIGHT.
ALRIGHT, WE'VE GOT BUNCH MOVING ON.
SO BACK TO THE TABLES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO THE FIRST TABLE I'M GONNA GO TO IS THE RENOVATION IMPROVEMENTS BY PART.
PER CITY COUNCIL POLICY, ANYTHING LESS THAN $50,000 IS NOT A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO I'VE ALREADY TOLD JEFF ANYTHING THAT'S LESS THAN $50,000 I HAVE NOT INCLUDED IN THE CIP AND SOME OF THE STUFF HIS GUYS ARE ALREADY WORKING ON ANYWAY.
SO ANYTHING THAT, LIKE THAT FIRST ONE THAT SAYS CREEKSIDE PARK PAINT THE BRIDGE FOR $15,000.
HIS GUYS ARE ALREADY DOING THAT AS PART OF THEIR MAINTENANCE.
SO WE'RE NOT INCLUDING THAT IN THE CFE.
THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE RED LINES.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, WE ARE, SO THIS IS BACK TO WHERE WE'VE BASICALLY STARTED WITH CREEKSIDE PARK PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT.
UM, $400,000 IS WHAT THE MASTER PLAN SAYS.
SO THE QUESTION OF THE DAY, GETTING BACK TO THIS ONE IS, WHEN DO WE WANNA PULL THE TRIGGER ON THAT PROJECT? ON THE CREEKSIDE PARK? THE REPLACING THE PLAYGROUND.
JEFF, WHEN YOU SAID HOW LONG DOES IT HAPPEN, YOU THINK, OH, IT'S PROBABLY GOT LESS THAN FIVE YEARS.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S GETTING OVER.
LIKE, I THINK IT'S, I THINK I WAS PUT IN THE SAME TIME AS FRITZ.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S LIKE A HAZARD, I MEAN, OR CLOSE TO? IT'S NOT.
I MEAN, WE, IT'S HARDER TO GET PARTS AND THEY'RE GETTING A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE.
THEY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DO RENOVATIONS EVERY YEAR.
YOU WANTED SPACE IT OUT A COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO WHEN IS FRITZ'S FINISHED? UH, FRITZ WILL BE FINISHED CALENDAR 26TH THIS? YEAH.
OR JANUARY, LATE JANUARY 1ST, 26TH IS WHEN THEY HAVE 28.
AND THIS, THIS ONE WON'T REQUIRE A LOT OF OUR ARCHIVE.
I THINK IT'S JUST LIKE, HEY, HERE'S A SITE.
UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A PLAYGROUND BIT TO THIS SITE.
THERE'S ALREADY STUFF, THERE'S ALREADY TRAIL ACCESS RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A PLUG AND PLAY.
SO WE, WE PROGRAMMED THE ORAIN PLAYGROUND FOR 28, 20 SEVENTH.
SO DID THE PRIORITIES ON HERE MATTER TO Y'ALL? LIKE, DID Y'ALL COME UP WITH THESE OR DID THIS? BECAUSE I'M THINKING CREEKSIDE NO, THIS IS A, WE SHOULD GO BY BASED OFF OF THE PRIORITY.
SO CAN WE TALK? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A RECOMMENDED BY THE PEOPLE THAT WE HIRED.
THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY CHANGE.
WE'RE GONNA REPLACE THE PAVILION
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AS FAR AS THAT GOES.I SEE TWO ITEMS ON HERE FOR $50,000.
IF WE SUBTRACT $1 FROM THAT, NOW IT'S THE BASKETBALL COURSE.
THAT WAS A THREE TO FIVE YEAR LOOK AHEAD.
COULD, COULD WE KILL THE, SO THOSE REPLACE SITE FURNISHINGS AND REFINISH BASKETBALL COURT OFF THIS LIST? CAN WE, UH, DO YOU THINK WE CAN THAT SITE FURNISHINGS IS GETTING PRETTY EXPENSIVE.
I MEAN, THEY'RE LIKE, THAT WAS THREE OR 4,000 FOR A TRASH CAN.
THAT WAS OUT OF CURIOSITY DOWN THERE.
TELL ONE OF YOUR VENDORS TO CHARGE US A DOLLAR WEST
SIGNING YEARS TO THESE AND JUST, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I WAS GOING.
CAN YOU DO THE PARKING AS WELL IN THE 28TH? YOU KNOW THAT PARKING LOT? I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY DO THAT INTERNALLY AND MAYBE THAT GENERAL FUND.
I CHECKED WITH PUBLIC WORKS THE OTHER DAY.
IT'S GOT A GOOD BASE ON THERE.
UH, IT'S JUST THE ENTRANCE RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT NEEDS TO BE, SO I THINK HE, TED, IT WAS LIKE 40 TO 50,000 IN WHAT'S KIND OF OUR AREA, JUST IN MATERIAL COST.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO, THERE'S PLAN TO GET THAT TRAIL BACK OF THAT TRAIL LIGHTED.
WE'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO OFFER MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO GO TO THAT PARK AND THERE THAT PARKING LOT.
SO MAYBE IN-HOUSE WE COULD LOOK AT THAT IN HOUSE.
I MEAN, I THINK IT, IT WOULDN'T TAKE A LOT OF DESIGN AND EFFORT TO DO THAT.
SO YOU WANT TO PUT IT IN 28? YEAH, LET'S DO IT IN 28.
WE DON'T HAVE A PLAYGROUND GOING IN NORTH ON 28TH.
RESTROOMS, UH, CREEKSIDE WHERE? OH.
RENOVATE AND EXPAND RESTROOMS. YEP.
THE PROBLEM IS THEY DON'T HAVE A CHASE IN THERE.
SO WHENEVER IT GETS REALLY COLD, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO GO IN THERE AND REPAIR PIPES OR REPAIR PLUMBING OR SHUT IT DOWN.
WHEREAS IF WE HAD A CHASE, WE COULD HEAT THE CHASE AND IT WOULD HEAT THE RESTROOMS AND BE ABLE TO KEEP 'EM OPEN.
SO ALL THE OTHER RESTROOMS HAVE CHASES, EXCEPT THIS, THE LAST AND THE CHASE IS A QUARTER MILL, A NEW RESTROOM.
SO IT'S BASICALLY A NEW RESTROOM.
BUT THAT COULD, THAT COULD BE ANOTHER FIVE YEARS.
WELL, YOU WANNA PUT IT OUT 20? PUT IT OUT ON 30.
IT'S IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE NOW.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S JUST KIND OF A, A, A MAINTENANCE ISSUE WHEN WE HAVE TO.
DO YOU THINK IT'LL LAST FOR FIVE YEARS? YEAH, THEY GOT RENOVATED.
I WOULD SAY LET'S PUT IT IN 30 RATHER THAN TAKING IT OFF COMPLETELY.
IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED ON THERE AT SOME POINT.
UH, IMPROVE AND RECONFIGURE PARKING.
WAIT, DID WE ALREADY, WE ALREADY DID THAT.
WE'RE ON SITE FURNISHINGS SITE FURNISHING.
IT'S 50, SO DO A LITTLE BIT LESS AND THREW IT OUTTA YOUR BUDGET.
WELL, HE WAS SAYING IT'S GOING WELL.
WE HAVE A MONEY SET ASIDE EVERY TAKE OFF.
I THINK WE HAVE LIKE 10,000 OR 12,000 SET ASIDE TO SITE FURNISHING EVERY YEAR.
SO AT SOME POINT, WE'LL, A COUPLE PICNIC.
YEAH, WE COULD TAKE IT OFF IT OFF.
IT'S BEEN DONE ALREADY, RIGHT? UH, NO.
THE DECKING HAS NOT BEEN DONE FOR HOW LAKE? ISN'T THAT PART OF THE BOARDWALK? NO, THE BOARDWALK IS A SEPARATE CONNECTION TO LAKE.
WE REPLACED THE FISHING THOUGH.
SO HUDDLE LAKE, YOU'VE KINDA ALREADY GOT SOME OF THIS ALREADY SCHEDULED, I THINK IN THE LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO I MEAN, SOME OF THAT WOULD CONSIDERED LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS.
THE LANDSCAPE FOR HU LAKE IS IN 28.
I WOULD THINK THAT KIND OF WHAT? THAT SOME OF THAT IS, UH, REFINISH BASKETBALL COURT.
LET'S KEEP DOING THAT IN RIGHT
WELL, THERE'S ONE THING WE NEED CALLED STAFF.
I WAS ABOUT TO SAY DIRECTOR CORONADO MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.
SO, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, ABOUT THOSE NEW POSITIONS.
WELL, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
WHERE'S, WHERE'S THE RENOVATE RESTROOM? UH, THAT WOULD PROBABLY OUTTA LAKE.
UH, I DON'T HAVE A THING OF, THAT'D PROBABLY BE IN THE LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENT SECTION.
SO THAT'S ALSO 28 RENOVATE RESTROOM IS LANDSCAPING.
THAT WON'T COST A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
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A REMINDER.WE WERE, WE'RE DOING PLAYGROUND PARKING AND SITE IMPROVEMENTS IN 26 IN HU LAKE PARK.
AND THIS COMMENT WAS MADE EARLIER THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA DO ALL THAT, YOU NEED SUFFICIENT RESTROOMS. SO IS THE RESTROOM OUT THERE THAT IT'S SUFFICIENT? YES.
IT JUST NEEDS, IT HAS A CHASE.
IT JUST NEEDS A FACELIFT TO IT.
SO WHAT YEAR ARE WE DOING THAT? UH, SO THE RENOVATE RESTROOM IS 28.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE BOARD'S BOARDWALK AND, UH, LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS FOR HUDDLE LAKE PARK COME IN.
UH, GLENWOOD SPLASH PAD IS NEXT, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE, WHAT A MINUTE THIS IS, I MEAN, I I WOULD RECOMMEND EVENT THE, THE VENDOR DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE IT OFFLINE.
I WOULD RECOMMEND WE TAKE IT OFFLINE WHEN WE, IF WE OPEN FRITZ AND PERHAPS THE ONE IT ORDAINED, IT WOULD BECOME OFFLINE.
WE DON'T HAS ANYBODY BEEN TO THE GLEN WEST SPLASH PATH BESIDES PERRY? HUH? I'VE SEEN IT.
YOU SEEN IT? I'VE BEEN THERE ONE TIME.
IT'S LIKE FOUR THINGS ATTACHED TO IT.
YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO YEAH, IT PROBABLY NEED TO TAKE IT OFFLINE AT SOME POINT.
WE'RE GONNA REMOVE I WOULD NOT, I I WOULD NOT ADVISE US SPENDING A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS ON A RENOVATION THAT SPLASHBACK YOU PUT THIS LISTING.
WELL, THE CONSULTANT PUT TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY SAW VALUE IT.
DO, DO WE WANNA RED LINE IT OR DO WE I WOULD RED LINE IT OR DO WE WANNA PUSH IT TO FFY 30? RED LINE IT.
THERE'S WAY TOO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT OKAY.
MAYBE THEIR HLA PREPARED FOR THE S**T.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'LL GET USED UNTIL WE TAKE IT OFF LINE.
IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT TAKING IT.
WE'RE NOT TO, TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT REMOVING GLENWOOD SPLASH PAD FROM OPERATION.
ONCE WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE OPEN OR GAME, WE'LL PROBABLY TAKE IT OFFLINE AT THAT.
CONSIDER SELLING IT TO THE HLA.
THEY CAN TAKE THAT DOWN WHEN, HOW COMMUNITY PARK REPLACE PAVILION.
SO I WOULD SAY WE CAN REMOVE THIS ONE.
WE'RE DOING SOME OF THIS IN HOUSE.
WE'RE GONNA UPDATE IT THIS YEAR.
I WOULD JUST SAY, WE'LL TAKE THAT ONE ON.
WE'RE GONNA REMOVE, WE'RE WE'RE REPLACING PAVILION IS BEING REMOVED.
SO WHO'S RECOMMENDING JEFF THAT TO RESURFACE THE SOCCER FIELDS? UH, THAT CAME FROM, UH, THE ATHLETIC FIELD STUDY.
SO THAT WITH THEM? YEAH, THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION.
THAT WAS A CONSULTANT THAT RECOMMENDED THAT.
WHAT? UM, SO 85, THOSE SOCCER FIELDS ARE, UM, ACCORDING TO OUR CONTRACT, UTILIZED BY STINK 85% OF THE TIME.
ANOTHER ENTITY IS USING THOSE FIELDS.
UM, IS IT OUR, UH, IS IT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO, TO SPEND ALL THAT MONEY TO, I MEAN, I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
IT'S OUR, SO IT'S OUR FACILITY.
THERE'S A, THE SAME WITH THE BASEBALL FIELD.
THERE'S AGREEMENTS IN PLACE FOR THE, THAT APPROVED BY THE PARKS BOARD AND ULTIMATELY APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
THOSE ANNUAL AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE BY THAT.
AND SO CAN YOUR ANNUAL AGREEMENT PAY FOR THAT? YEAH.
CAN YOU SAY THAT? LET'S SAVE IT UP.
AND HOW, HOW, HOW MUCH DID YOU THINK WE GET FROM THEM A YEAR? WE DID LIKE $20,000 MAYBE
WELL, THAT'S NOT GONNA COVER THE FOUR.
WELL, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ONE YOU WANTED TO RAISE.
THEIR FEES ARE THOSE SOCCER FIELDS USED 365? YES.
THEY YOU'RE ONLY GETTING 20,000 A YEAR.
THAT'S WHERE PICKLEBALL COURT.
THEY, SO THEY PAY THE, THE AGREEMENTS ARE REPLACED.
SAME WITH OUR BASEBALL AGREEMENT.
THEY PAY A PER PERSON FEE AND THEN THEY PAY FOR THEIR LIGHT USE.
WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA ON THE PERCENTAGE OF, OF, UH, PLAYERS THAT ARE UTILIZING THE, THE FIELDS ON THOSE TEAMS THAT ARE ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS? YEAH.
I JUST HAVE TO BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TELLING, IF YOU'RE SAYING 50% OF THE PLAYERS OUT THERE DO NOT LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS AND THIS ORGANIZATION IS NO, IT'S HIGHER THAN THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BREAKDOWN IS.
AND THEY'RE UTILIZING IT SIX OUT
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OF SEVEN DAYS.UM, AND, AND THE FIELDS, THEY SEEM PRETTY NICE.
RIGHT? THEY LOOK GREEN FROM A DISTANCE WORKING.
SO MAYBE IT'S NOT WELL, THEY CAN'T FIND ANY PLACE FOR 25 AN MAYBE IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY ALL.
SO WHY DON'T WE PUT, JUST PUT THIS DOWN FOR LIKE 29 OR OR 30.
WHEN WE COME UP TO 29 30, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS.
UH, THEY, ACCORDING TO THAT, UH, UM, 132 IN THE FALL LEAGUE, THAT 132 PLAYERS RESIDENT AND 29 RESIDENT.
IT'S, SO IT'S MOSTLY, MOSTLY RESIDENTS.
IN Q WE WANT SOCCER FIELD AT 30.
ALL FY 30 SPAN AND IMPROVED PARKING FOR SEVEN 50.
NO, BUT YOU HAVE PARKING BEHIND THE FIELDS TOO.
IT'S JUST LIKE THE NO PARKING.
IS IT GRAVEL OR IT'S GRAB IT'S MUD.
WHEN IT'S WET, YOU SHOULDN'T BE PLAYING SOCCER.
THE FIELD BEHIND THE FIELDS THERE FIELDS, THEY'RE WET.
BUT IF THE FIELDS HAVE DRIED OUT BETTER THAN THE MUD PIT THAT EVERYBODY PARKS IN, THEN IT'S TIME TO PLAY SOCCER AGAIN.
SO CAN WE LEAVE THIS AT 2030 AS WELL AND KEEP MOVING? OR DO HAVE A DIFFERENT, I THINK YOU, I HAD A SOFT PAIR.
I HAD A SOFTBALL TEAM THAT THE GUY WENT OUT, PUT GASOLINE IN SOME OF THE MUD PUDDLES TO LIE TO DRY OFF THE FIELD SO THEY COULD PLAY ONE NIGHT.
SO REFORESTATION AREA IN CREEKSIDE PARK.
SO ARE WE GONNA GO BY THESE PRIORITIES? SOME, LET'S, LET'S JUST FIRE DOWN THE LIST.
EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT REFORESTATION IS.
US YOUR HONOR IS US SO INVOLVED WITH THAT.
SO HE, HE'S, HE'S NOT THERE, BUT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CREEK CLOSER TO CARL STERN, THERE ISN'T A BIG AREA THERE THAT HAS BEEN CLEARED.
THAT JEFF WANTS TO, UH, REFOREST OR MAYBE IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO REFOREST.
AND, AND, AND THERE IS A LOT OF FOREST THERE RIGHT BESIDE THAT, BUT AGREED.
I DON'T THINK I RECOMMEND YOU DON'T EVEN PUT THIS ON YOUR LIST.
SOME OPEN SPACE IS NICE TO HAVE.
THERE IS A BUT THERE IS, THERE IS A LOT OF FOREST.
IN FACT, WE'RE PUTTING A TRAIL ON IN IT.
AS WE, I'M GONNA TRY AND MAKE THIS QUICK REAL, REAL QUICK.
UH, I VISITED AN OLD ARMY BASE THAT I WAS STATIONED AT MANY YEARS AGO, AND THEY HAD AREAS WHERE THEY JUST PUT UP SOME SIGNS, SOME SIMPLE SIGNS, AND SAYING AREA BEING RECLAIMED BY NATURE.
THEY, THEY WEREN'T, THEY WERE JUST LETTING MAJOR TAKE ITS COURSE THERE.
SO IS THAT A DOABLE, DOABLE ALTERNATIVE OR IS THAT JUST THE ARMY BEING LAZY? MAJOR ARMY BEING LAZY.
SO THIS IS ABOUT THE REFORESTATION.
THIS IS JUST BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH PROPERTY THERE, THERE WAS IDEA TO CREATE A, UM, REFORESTATION AND GET RID OF SOME OF THE, THE HACKBERRIES AND REPLACE 'EM WITH TREES THAT, YOU KNOW, BETTER SUITED, YOU KNOW, FOR THE AREA.
UH, IT IS A LONG TERM AND I THINK, YEAH, THAT THE BEST.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, THESE ARE JUST NATURAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY RECOMMENDED THAT WE CONSIDER.
AND, AND I WOULDN'T, I MEAN, NEVER TREES ARE ALWAYS A HIGH PRIORITY.
YOU KNOW, BUT NOT AT A, AT THIS.
IS IT SOMETHING, UNLESS WE HAD PLAN TO MAKE IT DO LITTLE BY LITTLE, CAN IT BE LIKE ARBOR DAY? WELL, THE THING IS, THE BIG THING IS THAT THERE'S NO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WATER SOURCE THERE SOMEHOW.
OR WE HAVE TO TRUCK WATER RE DO SOMETHING WITH THE WATER.
WE NEED A WATER PLANT A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 30 GALLON SOME OPEN AREAS, LIKE $5,050.
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AND ONE THING, LISTEN, ONE THING I WANNA MAKE SURE WE EMPHASIZE.WE'RE, WE'RE DOING A, A FIVE YEAR CIP, BUT PARKS MASTER PLAN AND TRAILS MASTER PLAN GO SEVEN TO 10 YEARS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT EVERYTHING.
IF YOU GUYS WANT TO IT, THAT'S GREAT.
YOU KNOW, BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO PUT EVERYTHING ON THE CIP.
WE CAN ALWAYS, AS THINGS ROLL OFF, WE CAN ADD STUFF ON THERE.
BUT IT'S NICE FOR THE CITY TO KNOW WHAT COMING.
AND, AND THAT'S THE POINT I WAS GONNA MAKE IS ON P AND Z, WE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET AROUND TO THIS, BUT LET'S NOT TAKE IT OFF THE CIP WE CAN ALWAYS ADD IT BACK UNLESS IT'S OUT.
BUT WHY, WHY TAKE IT OFF? BECAUSE WE DON'T SEE THIS EVEN BEING NEEDED.
WELL, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO TAKING OFF THINGS THAT WE CAN.
SO LIKE THIS ONE, YOU TAKE IT OFF.
WHY? WELL, I MEAN, BUT JEFF WAS SAYING THIS MAY HAVE BEEN A SEVEN YEAR THING DOWN TO SEVEN YEARS.
LET PUT IT ON IT ON, SO CITY KNOWS WHAT'S COMING UP DOWN THE TWO.
BUT IF OUR CIP LIST IS THE FIVE YEAR EXPENSE, THIS IS THAT, THAT I UNDERSTAND.
AND THEN WHEN WE GET THIS IS SIX, 10 YEARS, THEN IT SHOULDN'T BE ON C.
THEN WE SHOULD HAVE A CIP STANDBY LIST.
AND, AND Y'ALL COULD KEEP THAT RIGHT? BUT NOT, YEAH, EXACTLY.
LET'S DON'T COMPLICATE THINGS.
YOU SHOULD MAKE EVERYTHING 2030 OR TAKE IT OFF, YOU KNOW,
YEAH, THAT'S, WELL, I MEAN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN IS YOUR LIST.
AND EVERY FIVE YEARS YOU'LL GET TO UPDATE IT.
WELL, I MEAN, EVERY FIVE YEARS WE UPDATE ALL OF OUR MASTER PLANS.
SO IF YOU DON'T ACCOMPLISH EVERYTHING IN THE MASTER PLAN IN YOUR FIVE YEARS, THAT'S OKAY.
'CAUSE YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO.
BUT THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO CROSS OFF ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU DID.
LOOK AT ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY HAD SUGGESTED, AND YOU SAY, YES, LET'S KEEP THAT ON THE LIST FOR THE NEXT ROUND IN THE MASTER PLAN, AND THEN CHANGE ITS PRIORITY ACCORDING TO EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO CONSENSUS, CREEKSIDE, PARK CREEK, REFORESTATION AREA.
ANYONE WANT TO LEAVE IT ON THERE? WE CAN PULL IT.
CREEKSIDE PARK NATIVE GRASS AND WILDFLOWER SEEDING.
I KNOW IF WE'RE PULLING THE REFORESTATION, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THAT, BUT I THINK $150,000 IS A LOT OF MONEY FOR SEEDS.
AND THAT WAS ALSO A LOT OF, UM, PREPARING THE GROUND AND, AND YOU KNOW, SOME CITIES DO LIKE A COMMUNITY STOMP WHERE THEY GET EVERYBODY TO COME OUT THERE AND THEY STOMP ON IT, PREPARE THE GROUND SOME TILL IT UP.
IT'S JUST KIND OF MORE THAT'S INCLUDED SOME OF THAT COST TOO.
JUST THE ACTUAL PREPARING OF IT.
SO CONSENSUS ON THAT ONE PULL, I MEAN, WE COULD DO MODERATE SCALES OF IT.
SO, BUT DOESN'T, NOT TO THE EXTREME THAT IT HASN'T THERE, THERE'S NOTHING ON THAT LIST TO AERATE IT AND THROW SOME SEEDS OUT THERE.
IT'S ALL KIND OF THE SAME THING.
WHAT IS THE RIPARIAN CORRIDOR? UH, THAT'S THE CORRIDOR ALONG THE CREEK.
YOU'VE GOT X AMOUNT OF SPACE ON EACH SIDE.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO? IT'S KIND OF MANDATORY.
SO NOT IN FIVE YEAR FOR THE NEXT TWO.
SO NOT IN THE FIVE YEAR FOR THE NEXT TWO AS WELL, BECAUSE YEAH.
CROSS CREEK, BECAUSE IT'S JUST RIGHT ACROSS THE WAY.
POOR NATURE, KILLING IT ALL, BUILDING IT ALL THERE.
SINCE, SINCE CORRIDOR IS, UH, KIND OF REQUIRED, WE SHOULD PROBABLY PUT SOMETHING LIKE 2026 OR, YEAH, BECAUSE THAT, SO THE EMORY PARKLAND IS THE PROPERTY BEHIND, UH, JIM, WHAT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU GOT THERE? HU PARK, RIGHT? YEAH.
OH, SALT STREET THAT'S BEHIND THERE.
AND THEY'RE GONNA BUILD IN A TRAIL AND SUPPLY SOME TREES.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT'S COMING ON BOARD.
SO IT'S PROBABLY STILL A FEW YEARS AWAY.
SO, I MEAN, WHEN THEY GET FULLY DEVELOPED, THEY PROBABLY NEED TO COORDINATE SOMETIME AROUND THERE.
I I WAS GONNA ASK, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO DO THE RIPARIAN RESTORATION BEFORE OR AFTER THEY START GOING VERTICAL? I MEAN, THEY SHOULDN'T BE BUILDING IN, THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING ANYTHING IN NO, THEY'RE PUTTING, I MEAN, IN THE AREA, IN THE AREA, YOU KNOW, IS THERE, ARE WE GONNA
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HAVE TO MOVE HEAVY EQUIPMENT ACROSS THEIR, THEIR LAWN TO DO A RIP REPAIR AND RESTORATION? WE, WE COULD BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT FROM THE EMORY CROSSING SIDE.I, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
ONCE THEY START GOING VERTICAL, DOES THAT PROHIBIT OUR ACCESS TO NO.
'CAUSE THE LIFT STATION RIGHT THERE, IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT.
THEN HOW FAR IS THAT ONE? TUESDAY YEAR? 26.
WHAT? THAT'S GONNA BE A WHILE BEFORE THEY COME ON BOARD.
YOU TALKING ABOUT EMORY PARK? 27.
SO THEY, PARKLAND IS ON THE, UH, EAST SIDE OF, UH, EDGE CEMENT BEFORE YOU GET TO EMORY CROSSING.
PROBABLY THERE'S AN OLD PINK HOUSE OUT THERE.
THAT'S WHY WE WENT TOWARD THAT RIGHT THERE.
THERE'S LIKE 20 ACRES THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE.
SO, UH, LOOKING AT THE, THE PLAYGROUND PARKS THAT WE FIRST COVERED, IT'S, RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT A PRICE TAG OF 9 55 AND 26.
WE'VE GOT A PRICE TAG OF 4.3 AND 27.
DO WE WANT TO THROW A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ONTO 26? SURE.
YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE A SOONER WE START ON SOME OF THE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA BE YEAH.
IF WE HAVE A 10 MILLION BILL, 27 OR, OR DO YOU PUT A CAVEAT NEXT TO IT THAT ONLY, ONLY WHEN IT'S READY TO BE? DO YOU WANT TO, DO YOU WANNA DO THAT BEFORE OR AFTER THEY BUILD ALL THOSE APARTMENTS? I DON'T KNOW.
YOU, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MATTERS BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO, BUILD ANYTHING IN THE RIPARIAN AREA.
THEY'RE BUILDING A TRAIL THAT GOES THROUGH THERE AND THEY'RE PLANTING TREES AND THEY'RE PUTTING SOME TEMPORARY IRRIGATION.
SO IF THEY'RE PUTTING A TRAIL AND THEY'RE PLANTING TREES, WHAT ARE WE GIVING THAT I, I DON'T, MAYBE THE BANKS OF THE CREEK ITSELF.
I THINK IT'S SOME OF THE CREEK.
WE SUPPOSED TO BUILD THE TRAILS, TREES AND MAINTAIN NOW.
CAN WE PUT A PIN ON THIS UNTIL WE EVEN KNOW WHAT IT'S FOR? YEAH.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO PUT A HERE ON IT IF WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE SHOULD BE PRIORITIZING IT.
I'M SAYING MAYBE IT'S AN ASTERISK TURN OF ITEM.
LIKE DEPENDENT UPON, OKAY, FINISH THIS OUT.
I DON'T THINK THAT, YEAH, I MEAN, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW CLOSE THEY'RE GONNA BE ON THEIR PROPERTY IN 26.
I DON'T, I, I DON'T KNOW EITHER.
BUT YOU WANT ME JUST PUT IT AS TBD BY DEVELOPER? YES.
AND THEN NOT IN FIVE YEAR FOR THE NEXT TWO, UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING AGAIN, WITH THE REFORESTATION.
SO THE MUSTANG CREEK ONE THAT IS, UH, THAT'S OVER BEHIND THE BRIDGE CHURCH AND NINTH GRADE CENTER.
SO THAT ONE HAS POTENTIAL TO ADD ANOTHER PLAYGROUND.
THERE'S BE SOME, BUT IT'S LIKE 20 NOW.
HOW MANY ACRES IS IT? IT'S LIKE 27 ACRES.
27 ACRES THAT WE OWN OUT THERE.
SO THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE A SPOT FOR ANOTHER PLAYGROUND.
WE PARTNER WITH BRIDGE CHURCH, BUT WE NEED STUFF TO HAPPEN BEFORE.
SO I WOULD SAY YOU ALREADY, WE HAVEN'T GOT TO THAT ONE YET.
SO MUSTANG CREEK PARKLAND FOR THOSE TWO REFORESTATION.
OH, I WAS GONNA SAY BRIDGE IS DOWN.
38 AGREES THAT THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
THEY'RE BUILDING HOUSES LIKE THIS BIG THERE.
ALL BUT THERE'S ALSO, HERE WE GO.
WHAT DO WE GOT? UH, NATURE TRAILS AND SOUTH FITNESS STATION IS THE FIRST ONE.
WHERE ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE DOING LAST STAGE? THIS ONE, TONY.
YOU KNOW, IT TOOK YOU A LOT LONGER TO GET THIS BAD LAST TIME WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YEAR IT IS.
I'M PROBABLY THE OLDEST ONE IN HERE THAT IS LIKE THE, UM, IT'S LIKE A CONCRETE PAD AND THEN JUST WORK OUT EQUIPMENT THAT YOU CAN USE THAT'S RAISED FOR OUTDOOR EQUIPMENT.
SO IT'S LIKE, UH, UM, OH, THEY'RE CALLED GREENFIELD.
AND SO IT'S LIKE, UH, I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S MORE ELABORATE THAN THAT.
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SHOULD IT BE PLURAL? WOULD THAT BE A BETTER DESCRIPTION? YEAH.FITNESS STATIONS LIKE A, UM, BECAUSE IT'S WATCHING, WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS GO DOWN TO PFLUGERVILLE.
SO THIS IS KIND OF, KIND OF YEAH, IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER RIGHT THERE WITH THE ONE.
SO IT'S LIKE A A HAVE YOU BEEN TO COTTON BROOK? IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO CROSS CREEK.
THEY HAVE IN ONE OF THEIR LITTLE OPEN SPACES WHEN I'M ENVISIONING THIS TO BE LIKE A FITNESS STATION.
THIS IS MORE ELABORATE THAN THE, THE BAR AND THE POLL.
IT'S MORE, IT'S MORE LIKE, IT'S MORE LIKE A PRESS.
PFLUGERVILLE HAS IT IN FALCON POINT.
AT UM, I THINK IT'S LONE STAR AND SOMETHING.
UM, LEMME FIND A PICTURE TOWARDS THE NEW HEB MOVE ON THE NEXT ONE.
CAN WE DO DISC GOLF FOR 49,000
THEY BUILDING MEET ANOTHER AND CREEK SIDE'S GONNA BE HARD TO FIT A NINE HOLE DISC GOLF COURSE.
SO CAN WE TAKE IT OFF? TAKE IT OFF? YEAH.
IT'S GONNA MAKE SOME PEOPLE MAD.
BUT WHY DID WE DECIDE ABOUT THE STATION? WE HAVEN'T DECIDED.
I ASSUME THAT'S JUST A PAVILION.
YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE A PAVILION AT THAT PARK.
JUST ADDING A PAVILION THERE FOR PEOPLE TO RENT AND A NEW PLAYGROUND AND OTHER STUFF.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE KIND OF AFTER, UH, OR CLOSE TO THAT.
HOW BIG OF A PAVILION ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? UH, I MEAN A 20 BY 20, 20 BY 25.
ARE WE GOING TO PUT A DATE ON THIS? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? IS IT A PRIORITY FOR, FOR YOU JEFF? NO, IT'S, IT'S A MORE OF A NICE TO HAVE WHEN THE PARK GETS RENOVATED THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A PAVILION OUT THERE.
IT GIVES PEOPLE A NICE OPTION TO, AFTER THE PLAYGROUND GETS RENOVATED, THE PARKING LOT GETS APPROVED.
THIS WOULD BE AFTER THAT SINCE WE'RE IN 2028.
WE HAVEN'T SAID 29 A LOT, SO NO WE HAVEN'T.
AND SHOULD WE SAY THAT FOR THE BASKETBALL COURT AS WELL? WELL, UH, WE PUB TAKE COVERED BASKETBALL COURT OFF OF THIS WAS, I WAS GONNA SAY A COVERED WELL, BUT EVEN YOU DON'T LIKE, BUT EVEN JUST THE BASKETBALL COURT, WE MAY CHANGE THE AMOUNT, BUT UM, NO, WE'VE GOT ENOUGH BASKETBALL COURT, SO NOT EVEN.
OKAY, NEXT YOU'RE GONNA TAKE IT OFF A LOT.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION REALLY QUICK ABOUT FRITZ? YEAH.
DOES IT HAVE A BASKETBALL COURT? YES IT DOES.
THEN WHY WOULD WE DO A COVERED BASKETBALL? WE DON'T HAVE ONE.
EVERYBODY 50,000 RIGHT? FOR OLD PEOPLE.
THE IS WHAT'S EXPENSIVE FOR, IT'S NOT THE BASKETBALL COURT.
OLD PEOPLE DON'T PLAY BASKETBALL.
HEY, SO THIS, THIS ONE WE'VE ALREADY COVERED THE HU LAKE PARK ITEM.
SO WE CAN SCRATCH OUT GLENWOOD, WE SCRATCH.
WHAT ABOUT THESE ONES PER RIVER MALL? WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
THAT WAS TO DECOMMISSION THE, THE SPLASH PAD AND PUT A NEW, JUST MAKE A TRAIL HEAD THERE.
DOES ANYBODY USE IT RIGHT NOW? THE GLEN WITH SPLASH PAD? YEAH.
SO I, IT BY UH, BY DOZENS OF PEOPLE SAYING WHEN'S IT GONNA OPEN? WHEN'S IT GONNA OPEN? WHEN'S IT GONNA OPEN? SO THAT'S GONNA OPEN.
SO THEN MAKING A TRAILHEAD DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE, DOES IT? NOT RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW CAN THEY REMOVE IT? RIGHT NOW? WHAT'S GOING ON? UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SPLASH PAD, WHICH IS ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR POOL, IS THEY'RE PUTTING IN WASTEWATER AND WATER TREATMENT RUNNING FROM WHATEVER THAT IS.
ALL THE WAY TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT MODS OF DIRT EVERYWHERE.
SO YOU CAN'T BUILD A TRAIL ANYWAY.
SO TRAIL'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA COME IN FOR A FEW YEARS.
BUT IF THE SPLASH PAD HAS FIVE YEARS OF LIFE LEFT BEFORE WE EVEN NEED TO LOOK AT RENOVATION, THAT'S TAKE IT OUT.
SO EVERYONE GOOD WITH KILLING THE TRAILHEAD? YEAH.
WE CAN REVISIT IT AS CHANGES DOWN THE LINE.
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SPLASH PAD THREE.WE'RE GONNA ADD A SPLASH PAD WHERE THE PARK ALREADY.
THERE'S A AREA BETWEEN THE BASKETBALL COURT, THE STREET THERE WAS TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A, THERE'S ONE IN THERE.
LIKE A LINEAR NO, I THINK IT'S MORE OF A SPRAY.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A SPRAY COURT TIP INSIDE, HUH? UH, NO, IT'S GONNA BE LINEAR.
ARE THERE ANY NON HOA COMMUNITIES ADJACENT TO NO.
I MEAN, YEAH, THERE'S A WELL, BUT NOT WITH DOES THEY ENC HAVE RIGHT THERE BUTTS UP AGAINST IT? NO, THERE'S NO H HOA COLLEGE WHERE THE CO COMMUNITY PARK IS.
THAT COMMUNITY DOESN'T HAVE AN HOA DOWN.
IT IS, BUT ENCLAVE IS ACROSS THE STREET IS NOT AN H HO A I DON'T THINK ENCLAVE HAS A POOL.
ENCLAVE IS IST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK.
I THOUGHT ENCLAVE HAD AN HOA THEY DO, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A POOL.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE WELL PLACED OVER THERE FOR SOME WATER OF SOME SORT.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE IN AN HO A TO USE.
THEY HAVE A COMMUNITY POOL, DON'T THEY? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BRUSHY, UH, CREEK BRUSHY? NO, HUDDLE COMMUNITY PARK IS RIGHT BY UM, I KNOW WHERE IT DOES.
THERE'S NO LONGER I KNOW WHERE THEY ALL ARE.
YEAH, BUT THERE'S A POOL LIKE A COUPLE OF BLOCKS DOWN, ISN'T THERE? NO.
LET'S JUST SPEND A COUPLE MILLION PALM CREEK'S.
PROBABLY THE CLOSEST POOL RIVER WALK.
YOU WANNA LET USE YOUR POOL? NO.
I THINK WE'RE GETTING A SECOND ONE.
NO, THERE'S A POOL ON CARL STERN WESTERN AND 6 85.
AND THERE'S A POOL ON THE ESTATES DRIVE, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO HU LAKE PARK.
YEAH, THEY HAVE TWO IN RIVER WALL.
I THINK CARMEL CREEK GONNA HAVE TWO.
SO I, I WAS JUST ASKING BECAUSE IF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TO YOUR POINT, IF THE KIDS ARE USING THIS PLAYGROUND OR THIS POOL, THEN WHY WOULD WE SPEND TAX DOLLARS TO, IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE USED, PUT ONE THAT SITS OUT THERE IS A POOL NEXT TO THE PARK.
SO WE GONNA, WE GONNA NEXT SET A COMMITTEE? NO, I WOULD NOT.
I WOULD, NO, I'D SAY IT'S A VALUABLE ASSET.
COULD BE A WELCOME ISSUE TO THAT PARK IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT WOULD BE THE SCHOOL WOULD USE IT A LOT TOO, BECAUSE THE NAVY JOHNSON'S RIGHT THERE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY MY NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD USE IT.
I DO A LOT OF LUCKY WITH USING THAT.
MY ISSUE WITH IT IS NOW HOW MANY SPLASH PADS ARE DOWN IN AGAIN, SOUTH OF 79 VERSUS NORTH? WELL, YOU HAVE THE CO-OP ONE TOO.
THERE'S, IM TELLING YOU, IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
IT'S NOT OPENS 2 0 2, IT DOESN'T WORK.
BUT WITH OR ORGANIC IT DOESN'T WORK.
AND IT'S NOT SHADED AND IT'S METAL EVERYWHERE.
ALL I I'M JUST TELLING YOU, IT'S OVER TO THE PUBLIC.
THIS ONE WOULD BE I THINK A VIABLE MIDPOINT IN THE PUBLIC.
THIS WOULD BE KIND OF THE MIDDLE POINT WHERE IT WOULDN'T BE AS INCONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO ONE OF THE OTHER THIS IS A RAILROAD TRAIN.
WELL, YEAH, PRETTY MUCH PART OF MY THINKING IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT GLENWOOD, BUT NO ONE KNOWS IT'S THERE.
THIS IS WAY MORE IN THE CENTER OF THE TOWN.
BUT THIS ONE MAKES SOME SENSE THAT THIS ONE, AND THIS WOULD FINISH OUT THAT PARK.
IT'S GOT NEW PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
IT'S GOT BASKETBALL COURT, LIGHT BASKETBALL COURT PAVILION.
UH, LET'S NOT, YEAH, WHATEVER.
I'M LOOKING AT A PRICE TAG RIGHT NOW OF 2.8.
IT'S A VERY SMALL, 29 IS A PRICE TAG OF 2.4.
THEY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT.
WANNA PUT IT OUT? THE 2.4 29? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
WHAT'S THE QUESTION? 2029 FOR THE SQUASH PATH.
DO WE WANNA GO BACK TO CREEKSIDE FITNESS? DO WE HAVE THAT ANSWER NOW? DID YOU GET A PICTURE? YEAH, IT'S JUST A, IT'S, I DID A BAD JOB OF EXPLAINING IT, BUT IT'S UM, NO, YOU DID FINE.
IT'S A, UH, IT'S MORE THAN THE BAR SYSTEM AND A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, FORGIVE ME FOR LACK OF TERM.
IT HAS LIKE A BENCH PRESS, LIKE A SEATED BENCH PRESS ON A MECHANICAL THING.
IT HAS LIKE ELLIPTICAL THAT YOU CAN USE.
IT'S GOT MANY DIFFERENT COMPONENTS AND IT'S COVERED.
IT'S GOT LOT OF DIFFERENT COMPONENTS THAT GO WITH IT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THAT PART.
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A LOT OF PEOPLE WALK THROUGH THERE, RIGHT? MM-HMMI WHAT MATERIAL WOULD THAT BE MADE OUT OF? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT IT TO BE LIKE THE HIPPO IN THE SPLASH PAD AT THE CO-OP WHERE IT BURNS YOU IN, RIGHT? YEAH.
NOBODY USES IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I'M TELLING YOU ABOUT THAT I'VE SEEN STUFF THAT'S NOT AS FANCY AS WHAT YOU SHOWED ME PICTURES OF.
BUT THEY HAVE SOME PIECES OF EQUIPMENT.
I'VE NEVER, I WALKED MY DOG ALL THE TIME.
YOU HAVE? I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY USE IT COVERED.
YEAH, IT KIND OF, IT'S BUT WHAT MATERIAL IS IT MADE OUT OF AS WELL? IT'S LIKE A, UH, IT'S A HEAVY DUTY COMMERCIAL.
THAT'S EQUIPMENT THAT'S MEANT TO BE USED, YOU KNOW, AND ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT AREAS.
AND YOU SAID IT WOULD BE COVERED? YEAH, IT'D BE COVERED.
UH, IT'S GREENFIELD IS THE NAME OF THE COMPANY THAT ONE OF 'EM, IT'S BEEN OUT THERE FOREVER.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE A COMBINATION OF THAT.
IT COULD BE A COMBINATION OF LIKE A NINJA WARRIOR COURSE THING.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF IT.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HARDCORE KIND OF STUFF.
YOU KNOW, PUT A LOT OF MIXTURE OF, THERE'S A ELLIPTICAL AND THERE'S PUT IN THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK.
ARE WE GOOD WITH THIS IN 30? YEAH.
IT'D BE A, IT'D BE A GREAT THING TO ADD TO THE PARK, BUT IT'S KIND AFTER ALL THE OTHER STUFF'S.
THEY CAN WAIT FIVE MORE YEARS.
30 BEFORE THEY START WORKING OUT RIVERWALK.
SOCCER FIELDS, RESTROOM AND CONCESSIONS.
THE THE ATHLETIC FIELD STUDY SAID THERE'S A SPOT TO PUT A RESTROOM THERE.
WHY ARE WE PUTTING A CONCESSION STAND IN? EXACTLY.
WHY ARE WE PUTTING, DO WE GET 10% STAND IN? UH, WE PAID.
SO NOT BECAUSE IT'S, OUR PROPERTY BELONGS TO, IT'S OUR PROPERTY BELONGS TO US.
AND THERE COULD ANY, ANY POINT.
THERE COULD BE A NEW MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, A NEW FACILITY USE AGREEMENT THAT DOES THAT.
IT COULD BE THAT WE BUILD ATHLETIC FIELDS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT COMES, BECOMES A DIFFERENT PROPERTY.
OR WE NEED TO BUILD THE UTILITIES FOR IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WOULD IT NOT BE CHEAPER FOR WHOEVER IS RUNNING THIS THE OTHER SIX DAYS OUT OF THE WEEK TO GET A KONA ICE TRUCK OR WHATEVER TO SHOW UP? MM-HMM
THEY DO THEY HAVE THAT THERE DO THAT.
BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A RESTROOM FACILITY.
BUT THE CONCESSION, IT'S LIKE, I AGREE.
REALLY THE BASEBALL FIELDS HAVE CONCESSIONS.
IT'S JUST A WAY FOR THEM TO MAKE MONEY'S BUILDINGS AT ALL.
IT'S A WAY TO MAKE WAY TO MAKE MONEY.
JEFF, DO YOU THINK WITH ALL THIS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THESE SOCCER FIELDS, THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE AN INCREASE IN WHAT THEY'RE GONNA PAY? I MEAN, WE CAN ASK THEM, BUT I MEAN, IT'S NOT, WE SPENT A MILLION DOLLARS OVER AT ME AND WE DIDN'T ASK THEM TO UP THE FEES.
IT'S JUST A SERVICE WE PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IS THE CONCESSION ADD ON? MUCH.
DO HUNDRED 50, $200,000 RECOUP.
IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE BRING IN.
IT'S SAME AMOUNT WITH THE H IBS.
WE DON'T NEED THE MILLIONS OF THE 25,000.
SO IF WE'RE PAYING, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH A CONCESSION STAND COSTS.
THAT'S EIGHT YEARS TO, THERE'S NO BENEFIT TO THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
BUT I CAN SEE IN BUILDING THE CONCESSION STAND, I THINK THERE WOULD BE A BENEFIT THERE WOULD BE FOR THE RESTROOM FOR THE PEOPLE TO HAVE A BATHROOM THOUGH.
BATHROOMS. I COMPLETELY AGREE.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE RESTROOM.
AND IT WOULD BE A, IT WOULD BE A COMBINATION FACILITY.
IT WOULDN'T BE TWO SEPARATE FACILITIES.
IT'D BE, YOU KNOW, ALL IN, ONCE YOU HAVE RUN TWO DIFFERENT UTILITIES, TWO PLUMBING.
IT WOULD JUST BE A ONE FACILITY THAT HAD CONCESSION ON THE OTHER SIDE, RESTROOM ON THE BACK.
THEY EVEN HAVE TO DRIVE TO A RESTROOM IF THEY NEED.
THEY HAVE PORTABLES OUT THERE.
SO IN, IN WHAT YEAR 30 DO WE HAVE THE MOST ROOM FOR? UH, 30 29.
UH, ACTUALLY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HALF A MILL, 26.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET BATHROOMS STARTED THERE.
2026 RIGHT NOW, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE AT ABOUT ONE MILL.
I THINK IF YOU PUT UP A BUILDING THAT'S RESTROOMS. A VERY TINY PORTION OF IT IS AN OPENING WITH A SLIDING DOOR.
IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD THE BUILDING, THE MAJORITY OF YOUR MONEY'S GONNA SPEND ON THE RESTROOMS. OKAY.
WELL, PREVIOUS, PREVIOUSLY IN PARK'S DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CONCESSION AT MER AND THE CONCESSION AT FRITZ'S, I HEARD THEY NEEDED TO HAVE A WASHING STATION.
I HEARD THEY NEEDED TO HAVE REFRIGE REFRIGE.
THAT'S, THAT'S A FOOD HANDLE THING.
BUT I'M SAYING IT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE A HOOD.
WE'RE NOT PUTTING A VENT HOOD.
WE'RE NOT PUTTING A DEEP FRYER.
NO, THEY'RE PUTTING HAND WASHING STATIONS.
THEY'RE SERVING CHIPS, PREPACKAGED
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FOODS.THEY'RE MADE A SODA MACHINE IN THERE.
IT'S MORE OF A STORAGE ROOM WITH WINDOWS.
JUST RESTROOM AND NOT CONCESSION.
IF YOU JUST DID THE RESTROOMS, WOULD THAT BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS? UH, RESTROOM IS, UH, GONNA COST YOU 5% OF THAT.
SO TWO WHOLE RESTROOMS GONNA COST YOU 275,000.
'CAUSE THE ONE AT HAD UP C TWO, COST TWO HOLD DOWNTOWN IS NOT THAT.
THAT'S WHAT'S WHAT THEY'RE CALLED.
SO THAT'S, I MEAN, LIKE COMMUNITY WHERE YOU HAD TO DO THAT.
BATHROOM BACKGROUND TRUCK COST A LOT OF MONEY.
I'D LIKE TO COME DOWN ON THE SIDE OF, OF DOING THE, THE BATHROOM AND THE CONCESSION AT THE SAME TIME.
IT'S JUST A FEW MORE SQUARE FEET OF CINDER BLOCK SPACE.
CAN WE PUT IT IN 26? WELL, THAT'S, THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION.
IT'S NOT GONNA REQUIRE A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF DESIGN, ET CETERA.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE SHOULD BE CUTTING AND PASTING THE RESTROOMS THAT WE'RE PUTTING DOWNTOWN AND ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
YEAH, WE SHOULD, IT SHOULD COME UP ON MODELS.
WE HAVE ONE OUT ORGANICS COMING UP THAT WE'RE GONNA USE PROBABLY THE TEMPLATE GOING FORWARD.
WANT FOUR HOLES? FOUR HOLES IN A WINDOW.
UH, RIVERWALK SOCCER FIELDS MAINTENANCE FACILITY.
AGAIN, WHY? UH, 'CAUSE THEY DO HAVE TO HAUL IN THEIR EQUIPMENT.
THEY DO MAINTAIN THE FIELDS, BUT THEY DO HAVE TO BRING IT IN, HAUL IT IN.
SO IT'S A T LET THEM, WHAT ARE THEY DOING NOW? THEY BRING IT IN.
IT'S JUST, LISTEN, I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR THAT.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT THE PARKS MASTER PLAN RECOMMEND THAT NEEDS TO BE OUT THERE.
WHAT DO GUYS SAY? WE DON'T NEED IT.
I, WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT A BLEACHER? THAT'S BLEACHERS.
YEAH, BECAUSE THEY, THEY HAVE, YOU CAN MOVE THEM FROM, SO YEAH, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT, THEY USE THE FIELDS.
THEY MAY HAVE ONE GAME GOING THIS WAY.
THEY HAVE ONE GAME GOING THIS WAY AND ONE GAME.
SO THEY HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS.
AND THAT'S IDEA TO HAVE MOVABLE SEATING AROUND THERE.
WHEN I WENT TO WATCH SOCCER, I BROUGHT MY OWN CHAIR.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE WATCH BASEBALL.
MY KIDS, WERE IN CLUB SOCCER AND WE BRING OUR OWN CHAIRS.
REMOVE READY TO TAKE YOUR OWN CHAIR.
WE PUT A LOT OF MONEY TO TAKE OUR OWN CHAIRS.
CONSENSUS LIKES BRING YOUR OWN CHAIRS.
LIKE I SAID, THESE ARE JUST RECOMMENDATIONS.
RIVERWALK, TRAILHEAD, RIVERWALK, SOCCER FIELDS, FITNESS STATION AND TRAILHEAD.
SO THE PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE GOING IN THERE.
SO THIS IS JUST ANOTHER IDEA TO, TO EXPAND THAT AS A KINDA A FITNESS AREA TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE, UH, ONE AT CREEKSIDE.
SO THIS WOULD BE OUR KIND OF OUR, THAT WOULD BE OUR 1660 LOCATION.
THIS WOULD BE OUR FAR WEST LOCATION.
THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE WITH A FITNESS STATION AND PUTTING MONEY INTO THIS, THERE IS NO ACCESS FROM ANYWHERE EXCEPT RIVER WALK.
THAT'S THE ONLY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT GETS TO USE THIS.
FOR WHICH ONE? UH, WHY WOULD YOU, WE, WE GOT PLANNED A ENCLAVE.
A A, A NATURE TRAIL OR A TRAIL THAT'S GONNA GO FROM RIGHT, RIGHT WESTERN ALL THE WAY UP TO RIVERWALK, YOU KNOW, SO, YEP.
A TRAIL HEAD AT RIVERWALK MAKES SOME SENSE.
A TRAIL HEAD DOES MAKE SOME SENSE, BUT DROPPING MONEY INTO STUFF THAT IS ONLY USABLE BY RIVERWALK RESIDENTS AT THE MOMENT, I DON'T THINK IS GONNA FLY.
THAT'S JUST, SO IT WOULD BE MORE OF LIKE A GET THE TRAIL IN, GET THE CONNECTIVITY IN AND PART OF THE CONNECTIVITY.
THEN WOULD YOU BE DOING THE TRAIL HEAD RIGHT.
FITNESS STATION TO COME LATER? EXACTLY.
SO SEPARATE THOSE TWO? YES, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
SO TAKE THE FITNESS STATION OFF WHEN WE WANT TO DO THE TRAIL TRAILHEAD, BUT THE TRAILHEAD, I THINK WE, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE TRAIL, WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE TRAILS YET, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHEN THE TRAILS CONNECT IN.
BUT WE PROBABLY WANNA PUT THE TRAILHEAD IN
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WHEN YEAH.THAT THE REST OF THE TRAIL GOES.
THAT'D BE A COMPONENT IN THE TRAIL SECTION.
SO IF YOU JUST WANNA REMOVE THIS ONE.
CAN WE STRIKE THIS ONE PLEASE? YES.
CORY'S ALREADY BUILT THE, THE, THE TRAIL, A TRAIL THERE.
THEY, LET'S KEEP CREATE HARM CREEK, PARKLAND, FITNESSING ALL, THERE'S 2030 OR REMOVE IT.
LET'S, LET'S SCRATCH THIS ONE.
YOU KNOW? WE'LL, WE'LL GET SOME, UH, WHAT, WE'LL GET SOME THAT'S A LOW.
WE'LL GET SOMEBODY EQUIPMENT OFF A WISH OR TEMU OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
HE'S, ARE WE DOING THIS ONE IN HOUSE? IS THAT WHAT I'M MEAN?
AND IT'S NOT CARAMEL CREEK, BY THE WAY.
UH, CARMEL CREEK, PARKLAND TRAIL SHADE STRUCTURE.
ARE WE REMOVING WAIT FOR THE FITNESS STATION? WE'RE REMOVING IT.
OR ARE WE DOING IT IN-HOUSE? UH, IN FROM THIS? WE'RE REMOVING IT.
LET'S PUT THAT ONE FOR IN-HOUSE.
AND IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
THEN WE CAN YOU THINK OUGHT TO STAND UP FOR THAT.
THEN IT, THEN IT GOES TO 55,000 AND WE ADD IT UP.
RIGHT NOW THE TRAILHEAD TRAILHEAD WITH SHADE STRUCTURE.
I HAVE WHERE, WHERE YOU PUT IT.
WHEREABOUTS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYTHING.
CHRIS KELLY, IT CONNECTS IN THERE.
IT'S GONNA ULTIMATELY BE THE BRUSHY CREEK REGIONAL TRAIL CONNECTING TO THERE AND CONNECTING UP ON THE SOCCER FIELD.
SO IS THAT, IS THAT GONNA BE KIND OF AT THE JUNCTURE? UH, WHERE, WHERE ALMOST CRO WHERE IT RUNS INTO THE CREEK? NO, IT RUNS TO ADJACENT TO THE CREEK.
IT'S ALREADY THE TRAIL'S ALREADY THERE.
BUT WHY WOULD YOU HAVE A SHAPE STRUCTURE THERE? IT'S NOT VERY FAR FROM PEOPLE'S HOUSES.
SO YEAH, THERE'S PLENTY OF, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A MILE.
WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE SHAPE STRUCTURE? YEAH.
I DON'T, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE, LIKE, WHERE'S THE VALUE IN IT? YOU KNOW? OH, WE'RE GONNA PUT A SHAPE STRUCTURE WAY OUT AT, YEAH, THIS CAME FROM AT THE CONSULTANT.
YOU KNOW, I'M TWO MILES FROM HOME.
THIS CAME FROM THE CONSULTANT AS A RECOMMENDATION.
SO LET'S JUST, YOU NEED A NEW CONSULTANT.
WELL SHE'S, THEY'RE LOOKING AT NATIONAL STANDARDS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE DO.
SO GET, DO WE WANT TO KEEP THE TRAIL HEAD BUT KILL THE SHADE STRUCTURE? WHAT IS OR TRAILHEADS OUT THERE? YEAH.
WHAT'S BY TRAIL HEAD? IT'S JUST LIKE THE START OF IT.
YEAH, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE, SO YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR ACCESS IT OR YOU GO MEET UP WITH SHARON OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW? SO WHEN YOU SAY TRAILHEAD, DO YOU MEAN TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT OFF CHRIS KELLY? YEAH.
YOU'D HAVE TO JUMP OFF THAT BRIDGE TO GET, THERE'S A WAY YOU GO AROUND, THERE'S SIDEWALK.
I MEAN IF YOU WENT FROM CHRIS KELLY, YOU'D HAVE TO JUMP OFF THAT BRIDGE.
YEAH, THERE'S LITTLE SIDEWALK.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE TREE FOR TRAILS AFTER A WHILE, RIGHT?
BUT WE WILL NEED A SCOOP LOADER.
SO ARE WE KILLING THE TRAILHEAD WITH SHAPE STRUCTURE? IT'S ALREADY, SORRY, I MOVED ON.
I WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ALREADY.
CUT EVERYTHING IN EMORY TO BE, WOULD YOU SAY TBD PER DEVELOPER? BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT'S GONNA DEPEND ON TO BE DECIDED WHEN THEY COME IN AND WHEN THEY, HOW FAST THEY MOVE AND WHAT THEY DEVELOP AND WHERE THEY PUT THEIR PARKING AND WHERE THEY PUT EVERYTHING AND WHAT AGREEMENTS WE HAVE AND EVERYTHING.
SO THIS IS LIKE A 20 ACRE AND THE REASON A LOT OF THIS IS IN THERE IS BECAUSE WE NEED THIS SPACE AND THERE'S LIKE 14 OF THE 20 ACRES AND NOT IN THE FLOODWAY.
SO THAT'S WHY WE SEE SOME OF THIS STUFF IN THERE.
BUT YEAH, AND I KNOW, AND THOSE GUYS ARE, THEY WERE TAUGHT WHEN THEY WERE TALKING, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PLANS GOING IN AND YOU KNOW, OH WE CAN USE THIS FOR PARK AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
I WAS LIKE, WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT? YEAH.
YOU KNOW, OH, THEY'RE GONNA PUT BASEBALL FIELDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THAT'S WHAT DID WE DECIDE ON THE BENCHES AND AND NATURE.
SO EMORY PARKLAND FOR CATCH EVERYTHING IS EVERYTHING IS TBD AND I'D PROBABLY SAY THAT.
WELL, I DON'T, THAT'S ALL DEVELOPER PLAN FIRST, THEN WE DO SOMETHING.
ALL SO THEN MAKE PARK RESTROOM CONCESSION.
THAT CONCESSION IS IT IS MEETING IS, I DON'T
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TRIGGERED RICK HERE.UH, WE HAVE TWO RESTROOMS THERE.
AND SO IF YOU DO THE MATH, THERE'S HOW MANY PEOPLE ON A TEAM? FOUR 15 KIDS SAY 15 KIDS.
DIDN'T WE JUST REDO THESE RESTROOMS? WE'VE UPDATED 'EM, BUT THEY NEED TO BE TORN DOWN.
AND BANDAID STARTING, IT'S A 20, IT'S A FIVE.
SO PUT ON 2030 AND IT'S A 20, 30 PLUS.
AND IT DEPENDS ON, HAVE EVER BEEN TO GAMES OUT THERE? UH, I HAVE NOT BEEN TO GAMES 'CAUSE I DON'T HANG OUT WITH KIDS.
THERE'S ONLY TWO HOLES OUT THERE.
YEAH, THERE'S LIKE TWO WHEN YOU GOTTA GO, THERE'S LIKE 200 KIDS OUT THERE.
ACTUALLY WE DON'T, I WOULD SAY GIRLS TO THE CREEK.
THAT NEEDS TO BE WHATEVER WE PUT ON THE OTHER ONE.
I WOULD SAY EITHER REMOVE IT OR NOT IN THE FIVE YEAR OR THEN LET'S REMOVE IT.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN COME BACK AND ADDRESS THAT.
WE NEED THE, THAT CREEK CENTER GET BUILT.
WE NEED THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO COME IN.
WE NEED HIPPO WAY TO BE DEVELOPED.
THE CHURCH TO GET DEVELOPED AND SEE WHERE WE FALL AND ALL THAT STUFF.
NOW THE, THE ONE, THE ONE THING ABOUT THE MUSTANG CREEK STUFF THAT I'VE KIND OF GOT A QUESTION ON IS THERE'S NO, UM, PARTIAL CAPTURE LIKE THERE IS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE CIP RIGHT? WHERE OKAY, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BE ON THE HOOK FOR THIS AMOUNT BECAUSE OF THIS CITY PARK THAT'S BEING EDITED.
NO, THEY, THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT.
RIGHT? THEY, THEY EITHER CAN DEDICATE PARKLAND OR THEY CAN PAY A FEE AND MOVE A DEDICATION AND THAT'S IT.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT HAS THE, UM, WHAT A MINIMUM 15 ACRES, JEFF? YEAH.
MINIMUM 15 ACRE GOING FORWARD.
THIS ONE'S I THINK 26 ACRES OR MORE.
YEAH, IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL CREEK BED.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A, DEPENDING ON WHERE WE'RE JUMPING OFF SHIP, BUT I'M GONNA JUST, I HOPE THIS DOESN'T GO, DON'T LET THIS LEAD TO ANOTHER CONVERSATION.
UM, EAST WILCO, HIGH EAST, UH, NO.
CAMPO, UM, I DUNNO WHAT CAMPO STANDS FOR.
CAPITAL AREA METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION.
THEY WANNA SEE SOME, THEY WANNA SEE CONNECTIVITY TO SAMSUNG.
AND THIS IS POTENTIALLY ONE OF THE WAYS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO CONNECT PEOPLE TO SAMSUNG.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA WORK OUT.
I THINK ADAM ORGANIC DO A BETTER ROUTE FOR THEM.
SO THAT SPARKS UP THEN OBVIOUSLY, AND THERE'S FUNDING ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
THEN THIS MAY, MAY COME BACK AND GO, OKAY, THIS IS, THEY'RE DONATING THIS AND THEY'RE GONNA DO THIS.
AND IT MAY, OKAY, SO THEN THE NEXT ONE IS ATMAR GAIN PARK.
EAST IN LIBERTY, WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED.
WELL, WE ALREADY DISCUSSED AND THEN WE'VE STOPPED DISCUSSING.
SO LET, LET'S JUST HIT THE LAST TWO.
THE CROSS CREEK PARK LAND, THE DISC GOLF.
I RECOMMEND YOU TAKE IT OFF COMPLETELY BECAUSE CROSS CREEK ALREADY HAS DISC GOLF AND NOBODY USES IT.
I THINK IF WE HAD ONE DIS WE HAVE ONE DISC GOLF COMING IN, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY NICE ON ALTA EDGE SMITH.
SO I WOULD SAY WE JUST PROBABLY NEED TO FOCUS ON THAT IT OUR SPOT.
WE NEED MORE PLAYGROUNDS THAN DISC GOLF.
SO LET'S KILL CROSS CREEK DISC GOLF.
IT'S, AND WE STOP AT THE TRAILHEAD.
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? 'CAUSE WE JUST GOT THAT.
I THINK WE OVER THE, UM, BRUSH CREEK.
WELL, AND WHEN WAS THIS LIST PRINTED? LIKE WHEN WAS THIS OR? IT WAS DONE BEFORE WE GOT SOME STUFF.
SO THAT LEAVES EAST DELIVER PARK AND ALL THE TRAILS.
THE ONE WE TABLE PARK OFFICE IS THE MAINTENANCE BAR.
WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH, RIGHT.
SO THAT'S THE THREE ACRES, RIGHT? YES.
IT'S BEING MOWED AND MAINTAINED.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOTHING WE HAVE TO DO ON IT.
IT'S UNDER THE MOWING CONTRACT.
SO IT'S BEING NOT GONNA HAVE ANY PLATES WITH THE NEIGHBORS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST, THE IDEA IS THAT, LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT IN THE FLOODWAY.
SO THEIR RECOMMENDATION FROM THE MASTER PLAN WAS YOU NEED TO BUILD SOMETHING ON IT.
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WE, COULD WE PUSH THIS INTO 2030? 2030 AND THEN AFTER THE FEASIBILITY STUDIES GET DONE IN 26, THEN WE CAN PULL IT FORWARD, COME BACK NEXT YEAR AND HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND SEE WHERE IT'S AT.ONCE YOU COMPLETE THE FEASIBILITY AND YOU KNOW IF THREE ACRES IS BIG ENOUGH FOR WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO.
LET, LET'S GET THE FEASIBILITY DONE AND THEN SEE IF THIS IS GONNA WORK.
AND TWO, I THINK, WELL LET'S SEE HOW FRITZ PARK DOES.
AND IF FRITZ PARK BECOMES OVERWHELMING AND BECOMES MAJOR, MAJOR CONCERN WITH EVERYTHING.
WE MAY HAVE TO MODIFY, ADD SOME STUFF OVER HERE, ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT.
IF NOT, THEN YOU KNOW, WE CAN LINK.
BUT I DON'T THINK NOW IS THE TIME TO NO.
PUT THE STAKE IN THE GROUND ON EASTERN LIBERTY.
IT WOULD COST YOU A LOT OF MONEY TO MOVE YOUR TRAILER TO THAT SPOT, WOULDN'T IT? OH YEAH.
WELL, ALL THE SITE WORK, IT'D FALL APART.
SO ARE WE PUTTING THIS IN NOT IN FIVE YEAR? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? ARE WE PUTTING IN 2030? LET'S PUT IN 2030.
THAT WAY WE CAN PULL IT FORWARD ONCE THE FEASIBILITY IS DONE.
ARE YOU GONNA DO I AM SHOCKED MEAN WE HAVE 'EM BOTH LISTED ON THE STAFF HERE.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE ON STREET TRAILS.
'CAUSE JEFF SAID THIS IS GONNA GO FAST.
WE'RE HOLDING YOU TO WELL, I MEAN THESE ARE WELL, UH, OH.
DISCLAIMERS ALREADY SHOULD GO MY PAPER.
SO STARTING AT THE TOP, JUST STARTING AT THE TOP.
LITTLE LOOP, CARROLL DRIVE TO CITY LIMIT.
WHERE'S CARROLL DRIVE? CARROLL DRIVE IS ABOUT, IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE, QUARTER OF A MILE EAST OF 1660.
IT'S BETWEEN, IT'S ALMOST MIDWAY BETWEEN 1 32 LIGHT FIXTURES AND IT GOES ON INTO, UM, HIGHLANDS.
IT'S THAT ONE MAIN STREET THAT GOES ON IS NORTH.
YOU KNOW THE LIGHT FIXTURES MANUFACTURERS? I REMEMBER THE WHAT LIGHT FIXTURES ON THE AT T TOWER.
JUST PROBABLY, OH, 60 60 OFF OF LIME.
THIS IS LIKE BY, UH, A AND D CONNECT ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE.
SO I THINK IT'S ON STREET, WHAT THEY CALL ON STREET PARKING.
FOUND LIMMER FROM CARROLL TO, THIS WAS A 26, RIGHT? YEAH.
I'M ASSUMING THAT GOES HERE'S 16.
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? A 26.
I DON'T HAVE THE LITTLE TABLE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I THINK IT WAS OH, THERE WE GO.
CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION JUST REALLY QUICKLY? DOES AN ON STREET TRAIL ARE SIDEWALK? YES.
ARE WE AT A SIDEWALK TO PUT IN AN ON STREET TRAIL? NO.
THERE THERE IS WHAT? THERE'S NOTHING THERE BUT A CULVERT RIGHT NOW.
WELL, I'M I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT IN GENERAL THE WHOLE LIST, NOT JUST THIS ONE.
LIKE WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SIDEWALK AND AN ON STREETE TRAIL? I THINK OUT IN THE MOBILITY, WHAT THEY CALL THEM.
AND ARE WE RECOMMENDING TO RIP OUT ANY SIDEWALKS TO PUT IN AN ON STREETE TRAIL ON THIS LIST? OH, OKAY.
SO MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UM, IT'S TECHNICALLY THE SAME THING AS A SIDEWALK.
BUT THIS PROJECT IS NOT CAPTURED IN ANY OF OUR OTHER MASTER PLANS.
SO THE REASON IT'S ON HERE IS BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT OVERALL THE ENTIRE TRAIL NETWORK, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE USING SOME PUBLIC SIDEWALK AS WELL AS OFF STREET TRAILS TO CREATE THE NETWORK THAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH.
IF YOU WANNA GET A GOOD IDEA WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, COMING DOWN TO MALLORY LANE OR TAYLOR, AND YOU'LL SEE TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC GOING THIS WAY.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE BY LINES AND THERE'LL BE BIKE TRAFFIC BY TRAFFIC, JUST LIKE ON CARS OR LOOK OVER THE BRIDGE AT CARMEL CREEK AND YOU'LL SEE THE TRAIL IT'S WIDE.
SO FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE, WHAT I'M HEARING MATT SAY, THESE ARE ESSENTIALLY SIDEWALKS, RIGHT? DON'T THEY HAVE TO BE 10 FEET WIDE? YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT JUST A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK.
HOW MUCH WIDER? TYPICALLY ALL OF OUR SHARED USE PADS ARE AT LEAST 10 FEET.
WHERE AM I GOING TONY? DO YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING? GO AHEAD.
SO IF WE ALREADY HAVE ON OUR CIP LIST
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TO DO IMPROVEMENTS TO SIDEWALKS, LET'S JUST INCLUDE THESE INTO THAT LIST AND HAVE THIS GOING BECAUSE IT'S PART OF OUR REFY RIGHT? FOR SIDEWALKS.WE, WE HAVE A FUND FOR SIDEWALKS.
USE THAT TO DO THIS AND DON'T HAVE A SEPARATE LINE ITEM FOR ON STREET TRAILS.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M GONNA THROW SOMETHING ELSE OUT.
I, I KNOW IT BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WIDENING LAST YEAR.
I SAID YOU'VE, YOU KNOW WHAT'S KEEPING ON THE MASTER PLAN AND EVERYTHING AND YOU SAID, HEY, I'VE GOT THE PREROGATIVE AS THE CITY ENGINEER TO CHANGE THIS.
IF WE PUT A 10 FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK, ISN'T THAT GOING TO ADVERSELY AFFECT THE ABILITY FOR US TO WIDEN LIMMER IN THAT SECTION IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTION? UH, IS THAT THE NORTH, NORTH SIDE OR SOUTH SIDE? WIDEN LA IT DOESN'T MATTER.
YOU FIRE HYDRANTS LINES AND NORTH SIDE YOU GOT MORE FIRE HYDRANTS.
PROBABLY MORE ROCKAWAY THOUGH.
THEY'LL PROBABLY CAN BE MOVED.
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE DO THE SIDEWALK ON? SO, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO SAY WHEN WE GO TO WHITE LIMB LOOP THAT WE JUST INCLUDE THIS AS PART OF THAT PROCESS AND WE FIGURE OUT WHAT, HOW TO MAKE IT ALL FIT, THEN OKAY, WE COULD DO THAT.
AND SO THEN YOU COULD JUST GO BACK TO YOUR TABLE AND SAY A 26 INCLUDE WITH THE LIMMER LOOP PROJECT THAT GOES FROM YEAH.
'CAUSE I THINK OUR LI LOOP PROJECT GOES FROM 1660 TO 1 32.
AND THEN THERE'S ONE FROM 1660 TO, UH, CHRIS, UH, ED SCHMIDT.
THERE'S, SO THERE'S TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS.
THERE'S THREE 'CAUSE THERE'S ONE THAT GOES FROM INNOVATION TO EDGE.
SCHMIDT ONE THAT GOES FROM EDGE SCHMIDT TO 1661 THAT GOES FROM 1660 TO 1 32.
AND THEN THERE'S ONE THAT GOES FROM 1 32 TO 79.
SO YEAH, THIS IS, I THINK THIS SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN OF WIDENING OF WIMMER SO THAT WE DON'T, WE DON'T GO THROUGH, LAY DOWN A TRAIL OR A SIDEWALK AND THEN GO BACK AND RIP IT UP.
WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT POINT FREE DIVE.
YOUR POINT, THAT SAME LOGIC TO EVERYTHING PRACTICALLY ON THIS.
ALL OF THESE SHOULD GO DOWN THAT KIND OF SORT OF, I MEAN LIKE ALL OF THE ON STREET, ALL THE ON STREET SHOULD GO WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE ROAD PACKAGE.
I THINK THE ONLY ONE THAT MAY NOT WOULD BE A 30 EXCHANGE.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT WIDENING EXCHANGE AT ALL.
BUT WHERE WOULD IT GO? WHERE WOULD IT GO THOUGH? YEAH, THERE'S NO ROAD SO RIGHT
WELL, BUT WE ARE DOING A PROJECT, REMEMBER? SO WE HAVE THE EXCHANGE AT LIVE OAK PROJECT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN 'CAUSE COUNCIL HAD SAID, DO THE WHOLE THING AND THEN THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, NO, JUST DO THIS.
AND THEN THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, NO, DO THE WHOLE THING.
AND SO WE'D ALREADY STARTED ON THE PIECE THEY HAD SHRUNK DOWN AND I SAID, OKAY, WELL NOW I'M GONNA HAVE TO DO A COMPLETELY SEPARATE PROJECT TO DO THE WHOLE THING.
PART OF THAT IS NOT ONLY FIXING THE ROAD, BUT IT'S PUTTING IT BACK IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
'CAUSE PART OF THE ROAD'S NOT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA DO REALIGNMENT.
SO PART OF THAT WOULD BE INCLUDING SIDEWALKS AND ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE SIDEWALKS.
BUT THE OTHER THING IS, JUST SO YOU GUYS ARE AWARE IS WE'VE MADE THE COMMERCIAL CENTER THAT'S RIGHT AT LIVE OAK AND EXCHANGE ON THE WEST SIDE BUILD SIDEWALK.
WE'VE MADE THE BANK BUILD SIDEWALK.
SO WE HAVE SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CREEK.
THEN WE HAVE A GAP BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO BUILD A BRIDGE AND NOBODY SEEMS TO OWN THAT LAND.
AND THEN WE HAVE SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CREEK.
AND SO REALLY IT'S JUST A MATTER OF BUILDING A BRIDGE IF THAT'S THE SIDE OF THE CREEK THAT WE WANT, OR THAT'S THE SIDE OF THE STREET THAT WE WANT.
AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU'VE GOT ALL THE CO-OP, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUILD SIDEWALK BASICALLY TO GET YOU FROM HERE ALL THE WAY TO LIVE OAK.
SO THAT COVERS THIS ENTIRE PROJECT IS ALL GONNA BE PUSHED INTO DEVELOPERS.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT, UM, OKAY.
LIKE I SAID, EXCHANGE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT I'M LIKE, WE'RE NOT WIDENING THAT, BUT YEAH.
IF, IF WE CAN INCLUDE EXCHANGE IN THE YEAH.
I, I MEAN ED SCHMIDT, WE'RE LOOKING AT WIDENING 1 38 LITTLE LAKE TO DANA.
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$5 MILLION IF WE SCRAP THE LIST.EITHER THE, YOU'RE NOT SAVING IT.
YOU'RE TRANSFERRING IT FROM THE PARKS LIST TO THE STREETS LIST.
THE IDEA, I THINK IT'S THE IDEA OF MONEY, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN FUNDED IDEA OF FUNDING.
SO I'VE, I'VE BASICALLY MADE A NOTE THAT ALL THE A 26, A 38, 32, 45 T, 22 X 15, ALL OF THESE WILL GET MOVED TO THE STREET PROJECTS.
WELL, THE ONLY, THE ONLY ONE I WOULD SAY IS AN ABSOLUTE NO GO IS T 21 HAY BARN.
IS THAT GONNA BE WHICH ONE? THE BOTTOM ONE BARN? YEAH.
NUMBER ONE AS YOU BROUGHT UP LAST WEEK.
RIGHT NOW UNTIL, UNTIL LIMMER SQUARE GOES IN AND THEY REALIGN HAY BARN.
WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT TO THAT.
WELL, IT'S GONNA BE A WHILE BEFORE WE GET TO THAT ROAD PROJECT ANYWAY.
OFF STREET, ALL STREET TRAILS.
THAT WAS QUICK, EASY AND PAINLESS.
DO YOU HAVE THE TRAILS PLANNED? PULLED UP, JEFF, SO THAT YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT PAGES TO JUMP BACK AND FORTH TO.
ALRIGHT, SO FIRST ONE IS A 38
ISN'T THAT A TEXTILE PROJECT? WHY ARE WE EVEN DISCUSSING THIS? THAT'S TEXTILE RIGHT AWAY.
BUT IT'S OH, IT SAYS OWNERSHIP.
WELL, IT'S BECAUSE WE, WE WOULD, SO WE HAVE TO GET THE YEAH, SOME OF THESE ARE ON HU TO RIGHT AWAY.
SOME OF THESE ARE ON HOA PROPERTY, SOME OF 'EM ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE, UH, BEHIND CARMEL CREEK THERE ON ONE 30, CONNECTING THAT LOOP THAT KIND OF GOES NOWHERE TO CARL STERN.
SO THAT WOULD HAVE A LITTLE, UM, RIGHT THERE BESIDE ONE 30.
SO THE BACKSIDE OF ONE 30, THOSE LITTLE THING.
SO IT'S BETWEEN ONE 30 AND, AND CHRIS KELLY.
WELL IT RUNS ALONG ONE 30 FROM, IT RUNS ALONG THE, BEHIND THE BACK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD UP ON, YEAH.
WHICH ONE, WHICH SIDE IS THAT? 6 42.
SO TEXT THAT OWNS THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WE'D HAVE TO GET THEIR PERMISSION TO, TO BUILD THAT.
UH, I THINK THAT'S REALLY LOW.
HAVE YOU PUT IN FOR IT NOW? IT'LL TAKE 10 YEARS TO GET, SO NINE, FIVE YEARS.
WELL, DOES IT COST A A MILLION DOLLARS A MILE TO BUILD A DAMN TRAIL? RIGHT.
IT COST A MILLION DOLLARS A MILE TO PUT IN A, A PAVED ROAD.
IT'S EXPENSIVE TO LIVE IN TEXAS.
SOME OF THESE FIGURES ARE JUST UNREAL.
WELL, LOOKING AT THE MAP, WHY WOULD I WANT TO WALK ALONG THE, THE, UH, TOLL ROAD WHEN I CAN BUMP THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD? YOU'RE NOT WALKING ALONG THE TOLL ROAD, YOU'RE WALKING TRAIL BECAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO WAY TO GET FROM THERE TO WHERE TALKING ABOUT, TO MAKE A BIG LOOP TO BE CONNECTED.
OTHERWISE YOU WALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'RE CONNECTED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I'M NOT WALKING THROUGH.
IT'S ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE LENGTH
IT'S MAKING BIGGER LOOPS FOR PEOPLE THAT WANNA GO ON FIVE AND 10.
I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT ALL THE LOW PRIORITY ONES WE PUT TO 2030 MEDIUMS 2029 AND HIGHS 2028.
A BUT DO WE AGREE WITH THEIR HIGH MEDIUMS AND LOWS WOULD BE MY ONLY QUESTION.
AND THEN I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION THERE JUST FOR EVERYONE TO CONSIDER.
AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY AN ANSWER THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO GIVE, BUT EVERY TIME WE HAVE PRESENTED CIP TO CITY COUNCIL, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IN 23, EVERY SINGLE TIME A TRAIL PROJECT HAS COME FORWARD, CITY COUNCIL HAS SAID WE'RE GOOD WITH THE TRAIL PROJECT, BUT SOMEBODY ELSE HAS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY FOR IT.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR IT.
THEY'RE SAYING GO OUT AND GET SPONSORS, GO OUT AND GET MM-HMM
DONATIONS GO OUT AND GET WHATEVER.
SO WE'RE WASTING OUR TIME GOING THROUGH THIS.
WELL, SO WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A MOTION TO SAY, YOU KNOW, LOW IS 2030, MEDIUM IS 29 HIGH IS 27 OR, OR WHATEVER YEARS YOU'RE GONNA DO 'EM.
WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, OF THIS LIST, WHICH ONES DO YOU THINK THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD RECONSIDER THEIR STANCE AND SAY, NO, YOU SHOULD ABSOLUTELY DO THESE.
AND WHICH ONES WOULD YOU SAY, NO, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE SHOULD GO GET A DEVELOPER TO
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DO IT.OR WE SHOULD GO GET SAMSUNG TO DO IT.
OR WE SHOULD GO GET THE STATE TO GIVE US MONEY FOR IT.
SO THE PRIOR PRIORITIZING, WHAT ARE THE TOP THREE? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
LIKE, ARE THERE CERTAIN ONES THAT THE CONSULTANT GAVE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES TOO, BUT WE SAY NO, IT WOULD BE REALLY COOL IF WE COULD CONNECT A AND B.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE HIGH PRIORITY AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN THERE THAT WOULD, THAT MAX BE HELPFUL.
WE KIND OF LOOK AT THE MAP TO SEE WHERE OUR, OUR BIG GAPS ARE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SIL DRIVE.
WHICH ONE DO YOU GUYS WANNA START WITH? UH, LET'S, LET'S START WITH COTTONWOOD CREEK CORRIDOR.
THAT'S THE FIRST HIGH PRIORITY.
UM, IS IT 46? NO, THAT'S EIGHT.
WAS IT? THERE'S A COUPLE OF THOSE.
SO HERE, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? GO AHEAD.
SO ALL OF THIS, ALL OF THESE TRAIL RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ASSUMING THAT WE WANT TO BUILD CONCRETE TRAILS ALL THROUGH THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE MADE THAT DECISION, DECISION THAT WE WANT TO BUILD CONCRETE TRAILS IN ALL THESE PLACES.
UH, WE, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WE HAVE THE OPTION TO, UH, TO HAVE TRAILS THAT ARE, UH, NATURAL, NATURAL AND, AND NATURE TRAILS IN IT FOR MAYBE 5% OF THE COST OR LESS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS T FIVE, I HAVEN'T WALKED IT, BUT JUST LOOKING AT IT AND JUST LOOKING AT IT, UH, FROM THE, THE SATELLITE PICTURES AND JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM CARL STERN, I MEAN, IT SEEMS THAT WE CAN HAVE A TRAIL THERE WITHOUT PUTTING IN A CONCRETE TRAIL.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT I KEEP, UH, JUST SUGGESTING IS THAT, UH, WE ARE NOT, I, I JUST REALLY CANNOT SEE A CITY COUNCIL APPROVING THIS AMOUNT OR EVEN ANYWHERE CLOSE OR THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR, FOR CONCRETE TRAILS IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
AND SO I, I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IS THAT, WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING WHAT YEARS WE'RE GONNA PUT IT IN? BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T REALLY MADE THE DECISION THAT WE WANT TO PUT CONCRETE TRAILS IN ALL THESE PLACES.
UH, WELL, ONE THING YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE TRAILS GUY.
WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT? OKAY, SO IF WE DO CONCRETE, ARE WE LOOKING AT ALSO TACKING ON A, A LARGE MAINTENANCE BILL? YEAH.
TO MAINTAIN THAT POSSIBLY FOR CONCRETE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU PUT IN THERE, IT'S JUST, IT'S THAT RIGHT.
JUST EVEN IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, THE TRAIL STANDARD THAT WE HAVE NOW, THE TRAIL DETAIL, IF IT'S DONE TO THAT STANDARD, I'M NOT A CONCRETE GUY.
WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD IS IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE ANYMORE IN ANY, ANYTIME.
YOU SEE, I'VE, I'VE BEEN TOLD BY MANY, MANY PEOPLE THAT, UH, WE LOVE THE NATURAL TRAILS.
AND NOT TO SAY THAT WE DON'T NEED, UH, SOME PLACES WHERE WE HAVE TRAILS THAT ARE MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS, UM, FOR MAYBE, UH, OLDER PEOPLE.
BUT MANY, MANY PEOPLE HAVE SAID, THIS IS GREAT.
AND, AND FOR EXAMPLE, ON THESE, UH, IN, IN MANY OF THESE PLACES, WE COULD START WITH THE NATURE TRAILS AND GIVE PEOPLE ACCESS TO THE LAND, WHICH WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW AT CREEKSIDE PARK.
UH, WORKING ON A TRAIL THAT'S ALREADY VERY NICE.
IT'S IN THE TREES UHHUH, IT'S ALREADY THREE TENTHS OF A MILE.
IT'S PRETTY SOON GONNA BE A MILE LONG.
AND THEN ONE DAY, UH, DOWN THE LINE, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT AND GO, WELL, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE MONEY NOW TO SPEND, THEN MAYBE WE CREATE THE CONCRETE PATHS OUTSIDE OF THE LINE OF TREES.
SO THEN THERE'S THE, THEN YOU HAVE THE, UH, THE BOTH OPTIONS GOT THE NATURAL TRAIL AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE CONCRETE PATH.
SO WHO DO YOU THINK SHOULD BE BUILDING THE NATURE TRAIL? VOLUNTEERS? NO.
WHY NOT? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET VOLUNTEERS TO DO ALL THAT AND TO MAINTAIN IT.
OH, WELL THE MAINTENANCE IS ANOTHER ISSUE.
NO, BUT YES, YOU CAN GET VOLUNTEERS TO BUILD THEM.
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ON THIS T FIVE RIGHT HERE THAT I'M LOOKING AT, ALL OF THAT IS ALL OF THAT IN THE FLOOD PLAIN? ALL OF IT.THERE'S A COUPLE ON 60 60, IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 47, YOU CAN SEE A COUPLE OF SPOTS WHERE IT JUMPS OUT OF THE FLOOD LANE ONTO LUNA VISTA.
AND, BUT WHAT I WAS GETTING AT, I KNOW THE PART THAT, THE LONGEST PART, I KNOW THAT FLOOD PLAIN, THAT SHOULD BE CONCRETE BECAUSE WHEN FLOODS COME IN, IT WON'T WASH AWAY THE NATURE TRAIL.
BUT I WAS THINKING THAT THE OTHER LITTLE ADDONS HERE MM-HMM
THOSE COULD, THOSE COULD BE GRAVEL OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT.
SO MY QUESTION IS, DIDN'T WE TALK TO A DEVELOPER RECENTLY? LIKE HOW OLD IS THIS PICTURE? AREN'T WE, ASHLEY, DON'T WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT COMING IN IN THAT AREA? IS IT TOO LATE TO TALK TO THEM TO SAY, HEY, DO YOU WANNA HOOK US UP WITH THE TRAIL? WHICH THE ALSO, SO THIS, THIS IS CONWOOD SEVEN.
THAT ONE'S GONNA BE HARD BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THEY OWN IT, LENNAR PROBABLY WON'T DO ANYTHING ON THAT SIDE OF THE YEAH.
THEY CAME AND PRESENTED THE PARKS BOARD AND UM, LIKE THEY'RE ALMOST DONE WITH THAT WHOLE COTTON BRICK THING.
WE ASKED THEM TO PUT THE TRAIL IN AND THEY, I THOUGHT THEY SAID YEAH.
THEN THEY SAID NO, THEY'RE NOT DOING IT.
AND I WILL SAY TO THEIR CREDIT, I MEAN THEY HAVE GIVEN AN ABUNDANCE OF OPEN SPACE WITHOUT WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT THEY COULD HAVE DONE IN 2006 WAS AWFUL COMPARED.
AND IT DID NOT MEET FIRE CODE EVEN IN 2006.
SO THERE WERE ISSUES WITH THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH THEN THEY WENT BACK ALL ALONG THERE.
IS THE WASTEWATER LINE RIGHT IN HERE? YEP.
THAT'S OUR POOL COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH HERE.
SO THEY'RE BUILDING OVER ON THAT SIDE.
THEY DIDN'T, WHEN THEY CAME TO US, WE HAD TWO CONCERNS WHEN THEY CAME TO US ON THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
ONE OF 'EM WAS WHAT WERE THEY GONNA DO WITH THAT TREES? AND TWO, WHAT WERE THEY GONNA DO WITH THE 2, 3, 4, 5, 6,000 COYOTES THAT LIVED THERE,
WELL, AND THAT'S SO ALL GOT DONATED AS A FLOODPLAIN AND OPEN SPACE.
ACTUALLY, THAT, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT, PERRY.
UM, WE'RE BURYING A WASTE WASTEWATER LINE, OR WE'VE GOT A WASTEWATER LINE THROUGH THERE, WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT AWAY.
WHAT WOULD THERE BE ANY IMPACT TO THAT INFRASTRUCTURE BY PUTTING A NATURE TRAIL ON TOP OF THAT WASTEWATER LINE RIGHT AWAY? EASEMENT, UH, EASEMENT RIGHT AWAY.
WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT ON THAT SIDE OF THE CREEK, I THINK.
WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU COULD, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE LAND OH.
WE'VE ALREADY, THIS IS, WE'VE GOT THE LAND ANYWAY.
IT'S ALL IN A FLOODPLAIN DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHEN, IF YOU GO BACK TO WHAT COREY WAS SAYING, COUNCIL'S NOT GONNA APPROVE SPENDING $30 MILLION RIGHT.
SO DO YOU WANT A NATURE TRAIL OR DO YOU NOT WANT A TRAIL AT ALL? KIND OF IS WE'RE, I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THEY, KNOWING THE COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE, THEY'D BE QUICK TO SAY, NOPE, I'M NOT GONNA PAY FOR THIS BECAUSE THIS IS THE PRIORITY OVER HERE.
GRANTED IT, THE WHOLE CITY DOESN'T NEED TO BE NATURE TRAILS.
BUT HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE WHAT SHOULD BE A NATURE TRAIL VERSUS WHAT SHOULD BE CONCRETE? NEEDS TO BE CONCRETE.
OR DOES THIS EVEN NEED TO BE ON THE LIST? HOW OFTEN DOES THAT ACTUALLY FLOOD? I THINK THAT THE FLOOD PLAIN, SOME AREAS FLOOD MORE OFTEN THAN OTHERS.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN THAT FLOODS.
IS IT WORTH IT TO PUT SOMETHING THERE? BECAUSE IF IT CAN'T BE USED EITHER WAY, THAT OFTEN WELL, IT, IT, I THINK IT IS GONNA BE WORTH IT BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA REALLY CONNECT YOU.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT BEING ABLE TO CONNECT, UH, ALL THE WAY FROM, UH, LIME LOOP, RIGHT.
BASICALLY ALL THE WAY DOWN TOREY CREEK, IF YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT IS A KEY COMPONENT OF THAT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A KEY COMPONENT TO HAVING A, A, A LOOP AROUND THE CITY.
THE CONNECTIVITY YOU DO WANT, WE DO WANT HAVE SOMETHING THE TRAIL.
THAT QUESTION T FIVE, SOUTH OF CARL STERN, THAT'S CROSSING THE CREEK, ISN'T IT? IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CREEK.
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THE YELLOW LINES CROSSES CREEK, CROSSES THE CREEK, DOES IT NOT? YEP.HOW YOU WOULD'VE TO BUILD A BRIDGE, NO WATER CROSSING THE BRIDGE.
NOW IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BRIDGE, A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION OR A LOW WATER CROSSING.
IT, IT JUST GOES DOWN WITH THE YEAH, BUT THE CREEK'S NEVER DRY.
RIGHT? I MEAN, GEORGETOWN HAS THOSE ALL OVER ON, UM, SAN GABRIEL.
THEY'VE GOT LOW WATER CROSSINGS.
THAT'S, WE USED DO WHEN IT CREEKSIDE EXTENSION, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S PROBABLY SOME SIMILAR TO THAT.
THAT'S NOT LOW WATER CROSSING, BUT IT'S NOT A BRIDGE EITHER.
IT, IT IS A FORD OLD FASHIONED FORWARD TYPE THING.
I, THOSE WAS JUST LIKE, HOW OLD ARE WE GETTING ACROSS PLACES WHERE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BUILD THE DRILL FOR? IS IT MATT? THIS MY RECOMMENDATION? YOU SAID THAT WE HAVE THAT AS A RIGHT OF WAY ALREADY, BUT THE OWNERSHIP ON T FIVE SAYS PRIVATE.
IT'S PRIVATE DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
BUT I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET IN THE WAY.
I DON'T SEE WHY THEY WOULD GET IN THE WAY.
AND, AND MY, MY THING WITH THE GOING ON TOP OF THE, THE SEWER LINES, UTILITY LINES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS, IT'S ALREADY CLEARED.
THERE ARE NO TREES, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T BURY IT UNDER TREES OR ANYTHING, SO THIS IS ALREADY CLEARED AT MOST.
WE'VE GOT SOME BRUSH JUST, YOU JUST DON'T GO BACK AND VEGETATE IT REALLY.
HUH? YOU BASICALLY DON'T GO BACK AND VEGETATE IT.
AND THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SAW, UH, UH, UP AT THE A PA TEXAS IN OCTOBER IS, HEY, WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS RIGHT OVER OUR UTILITY.
WELL, AND THOSE LINES ARE GENERIC.
I MEAN, THEY'RE GENERAL, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU GEORGETOWN DOES IT ALL THE TIME.
THEY'VE GOT A MASSIVE TRAIL SYSTEM ALONG THE CREEK WITH LOW WATER CROSSINGS WHERE THEY NEED IT.
THE OTHER THING IS, WHEN THERE'S A REPAIR, IT CLOSES THE TRAIL.
THAT'S THE ONLY OUTSIDE, OR IF IT FLOODS ALSO, MOST RUNNERS, I CAN TELL YOU, I'M NOT RUNNING SAN GABRIEL WHEN I KNOW IT'S BEEN RAINING.
OR WE'LL CHECK LIKE, I SKIPPED CEDAR PARK BECAUSE A MOUNTAIN LION WAS SPOTTED.
LIKE EVERYBODY TALKS TO EACH OTHER.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T RUN, RUN IN THE SWIMSUIT.
I DID SEE SOMEBODY RANDOMLY YESTERDAY TRYING THAT AT THE SOCCER FIELDS OF ALL PLACES.
AND I WAS LIKE, THIS IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE LOOK.
I THINK WE'RE SPINNING OUR WHEELS ON THESE CITY COUNCIL IS NOT, NOT GONNA APPROPRIATE $30 MILLION.
SO GOING BACK TO WHAT MATT SAID ABOUT COUNCIL SAYING, FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PAY FOR THIS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT.
AND IF THIS IS IN TOTAL $30 MILLION UHHUH,
AND INSTEAD OF BUDGETING $30 MILLION ALMOST INSTEAD YOU HAVE A BUDGETED AMOUNT OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE NATURE TRAIL.
IF ALL OF IT WOULD BE MORE THAN THAT, LET'S JUST SAY $200,000, THAT'S A LOT CHEAPER TO MAINTAIN THAT.
YOU WOULD GET THE BUY-IN FROM COUNCIL, YOU WOULD GET THE NATURE TRAILS, YOU WOULD GET THE CONNECTIVITY AROUND THE CITY UHHUH, AND YOU WOULD BE SAVING YOURSELF A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
AND IF IN THE FUTURE WE DETERMINE THAT WE DON'T TO HAVE THE NATURE TRAIL THAN YOU REEVALUATE IT AND YOU GO, YOU PICK WHICH ONE THAT YOU BUILT NEEDS TO BE CONCRETE MADE OUT OF CONCRETE.
AND THE PATH IS ALREADY THERE BUILDING.
AND, AND, AND, AND YOU'VE GOT THE CONNECTIVITY.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN TALK ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE EM, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, AND, AND THIS ONE T MY, IT POPS UP T UH, 15, 13 AND T FOUR GOING ALL THE WAY FROM 1 63 TO START PAGE 2030 GO UP PAGE 44 PAGE GOING ALL THE WAY TO DOWN TO 1660 SOUTH.
WAS IT ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF, JEFF? UH, WHICH ONE? GOING FROM COUNTY ROAD 1 63 TO 1660.
I MEAN THAT'S, AND THAT'S, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE LAND FOR THAT YET.
SO THAT'S, SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE THINGS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY OR DON'T HAVE THE LAND FOR, BUT, BUT, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT COULD BE, UM, COULD BE DONE.
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OR 32 OR WHATEVER, UH, IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY, THEN YOU CAN PAY WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU WANT, WHAT YOU WISH.RIGHT? SO IT'S AN OLIVE CARTE RECOMME, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL ON THIS.
UH, SHOULD WE BE SAYING AGAIN, TRAIL, HOW NATURE SHOULD WE BE SAYING NATURE TRAILS ARE GONNA BE ONE 10TH THIS, THIS COST, ONE 20TH, YOU KNOW WHAT IT YEAH.
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, SO WE, WE COULD GO AND SAY, IF WE DO THESE NATURE TRAILS INSTEAD OF 29.4 MILLION, WE'RE LOOKING AT 2.9 MILLION MAX BECAUSE WE NEED TO ACQUIRE, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE'S PRIVATE, THIS ONE'S AN NATURE RIGHT.
BECAUSE THEN, THEN BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TO CONCENTRATE ON THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION.
ACQUISITION, SO THAT BEFORE WE COULD EVEN, RIGHT.
I'M JUST SAYING IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT 10 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR, BUT THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE RIGHT.
IT, IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH, UH, LABOR WE GET DONE.
UH, WITH VOLUNTEERS, RIGHT? I'M TALKING ABOUT RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION.
SO I'M JUST SAYING IS THAT AT 30 MILLION WE, IT'S GONNA BE A 5 MILLION OR LESS.
I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO WAY IN MY MIND THAT YOU GET 21 MILES WORTH OF RIGHT OF AWAY.
AND I REALIZE THAT SOME OF IT'S ALREADY OWNED BY THE CITY FOR 2.9 MILLION.
WE, WE ARE, WE ARE FIGHTING WITH EVERY SINGLE LANDOWNER TO GET RIGHT AWAY A SMALL PIECE OF RIGHT AWAY FOR THE SOUTHEAST LOOP WASTEWATER LINE, AND JUST A FEW OF THOSE PARCELS, JUST A FEW HAD A QUICK, THEY'RE ASKING SEVEN FIGURES FOR JUST RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WITH THIS COST HERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, DOES ANY OF THE RIGHT OF AWAY FEES THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THIS THING? I, I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THEY INCLUDED IN THAT PROJECT COST.
I DON'T SEE HOW, MY ASSUMPTION IS IT WAS JUST THE CONSTRUCTION.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IF WE SAY, OKAY, THIS 30 MILLION COULD BE MORE ACCURATELY APPROXIMATED, GROSS, APPROXIMATE AT FIVE.
WELL, IF WE, BUT I THINK THIS, THIS 30 MILLION IS LOW BALLING THE ACTUAL RIGHT.
THIS, THIS 30 MILLION IS PROBABLY CLOSER TO 40 OR 50 MILLION IF YOU INCLUDE THE RIGHT OF WAY DEPOSITION.
SO NINE PEOPLE, NINE ENTITIES FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WHAT ABOUT THIS? THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO.
OKAY? THIS IS THE TRAIL PLAN, RIGHT? THE OFF, OFF STREET TRAIL PLAN.
THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO.
STEP ONE IS RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT'S GOING TO COST, BUT HERE'S WHERE WE WANT TO PUT THEM.
HOW ARE WE PRIORITIZING IT AS WELL? BECAUSE THIS IS MY OTHER THOUGHT.
IF YOU LOOK AT BRUSHY CREEK TRAIL, RIGHT? IF YOU LOOK IT ON THE MAP WHERE THAT IS TODAY AND IN THE NEXT HOWEVER MANY YEARS, I DON'T SEE THAT BEING UTILIZED ALL THAT OFTEN IN COMPARISON TO OTHER ITEMS ON HERE.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA SAY THAT RIGHT OF WAY IS THE FIRST PRIORITY WE NEED, WE, WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE WHICH ONE OF THESE PER TRAIL
PER TRAIL NEEDS TO GET THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND, AND SO, AND WHICH ONES WE ALREADY HAVE RIGHT? WAY FOR THERE.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE CAN, UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF P PIECES THAT WE CAN, UH, IF WE CAN WORK ON THOSE TWO PIECES, WE CAN GO ALL THE WAY.
IF, IF WE CAN WORK ON THE PIECE BETWEEN ONE 30 AND 6 85 AND THE PIECE BETWEEN RIVER WALK AND, UH, THE LAND THAT HU ISD OWNS, WHICH GOES ALMOST ALL THE WAY TO ORAIN PARK, UH, WHO WORK ON THOSE TWO PIECES.
AND THEN, UH, THE A THE ACQUISITION OF, UH, AN HOA STRETCH, THEN WE CAN GO ALL THE WAY FROM ONE 30 TO ORAIN PARK, WHICH THREE OF THOSE, OKAY.
SO, SO FROM 6 85, I MEAN, ARE THEY LISTED ON HERE AS A PROJECT ID? YEAH.
UH, WE ALREADY OWN WHERE T EIGHT IS, I GUESS, RIGHT? UM, AND THEN THE RIVERWALK PROPERTY STARTS T SIX.
WELL IT STARTS PAST THE, UH, JUST PAST THE SOCCER FIELDS AND IT GOES DOWN T SIX.
THAT'S WHERE TA EIGHT, THAT'S WHERE RIVERWALK STARTS.
AND IT GOES DOWN TO, THAT'S LISTED AS HOA.
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OKAY.HOW ABOUT RIGHT OF WAY? THAT IS ONE OF THE THREE PIECES THAT WE'D HAVE TO OBTAIN IN ORDER TO GET FROM ONE 30 TO OUR GAME PARK.
SO WE HAVE TAT, HOA IS THAT RIVER WALL? THAT IS RIVER WALL.
WHAT'S THE THIRD? YOU HAVE TAT 20 AND P SIX.
AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE IS, UH, T 19.
THAT'S A PRIVATE, IF YOU, YOU WANT YOUR SOCCER FIELDS FIXED, IT'S RIGHT AWAY.
HOA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RIVERWALK SOCCER FIELDS.
WE OWN THE RIVERWALK SOCCER FIELDS.
AND IT'S NOT A FOREGONE CONCLUSION THAT THEY, THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO DO THAT EITHER CO CO BEEN PUSHING GA AT LEAST FIND OUT WHERE THE RIGHT OF WAY IS AND WHAT WE CAN DO.
SO I CAN TABLE THIS WHOLE THING UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHERE THE HELL WE'RE GOING WITH IT.
DON'T EVEN PRESENT IT TO CITY COUNCIL.
DON'T PUT ANY KIND OF TIMELINE ON IT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA GET ANY HOA LAND.
WE'RE NOT GONNA KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA GET ANY PRIVATE LAND.
SO THAT SHOULD BE OUR STRATEGY.
HUH? OUR STRATEGY SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON GETTING THE RIGHT WAY, GETTING THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WELL, LET ME KIND OF RE-ASK THIS A DIFFERENT WAY THEN.
LIKE RIVERWALK CONNECTION, IT SAYS HU IT'S AT 100% HUS.
IF SO, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT RIGHT.
THAT'S ONE THING WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT.
EVERYTHING ON HERE THAT SAYS HUD, IS IT OWNED BY HU? YEP.
IF IT IS OWNED BY HU THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING OUT, PAYING OUT MONEY FOR RIGHT OF AWAY.
SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT, LET'S PUT THIS AS A PRIORITY AT THE TECH STOP.
HOA OWNS 1 97 TO ARD RIVER PRIVATE IS PR BRUSHY CREEK TO NORMAN ELEMENTARY.
PRIVATE IS MUSTANG CREEK TO ONE 60.
IT JUST SAYS UTILITY EASEMENT.
WHERE IN THE HELL IS THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
WHERE'S T WHAT PAGE? THAT'S ALONG.
SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THAT, UH, HU AND PRIVATE MUSTANG CREEK T THREE.
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHO THE PRIVATE IS ON THAT ONE.
HU OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY ALREADY.
HOA FOR CHRIS KELLY BOULEVARD.
I'M ASSUMING THAT IS RIVER, RIVER WALK.
I DON'T KNOW WHICH, UH, WHICH ONE IS IT? TT OH YEAH.
UH, BRUSHY CREEK TO CHRIS KELLY TO STAR RANCH RIGHT AWAY.
WHAT THE, IS THAT THAT IS THAT ONE 30 OR WHAT? IT JUST SAYS ROWI THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THE ONE.
NO, THAT'S NOT ONE 30 ALONG CHRIS KELLY.
SEE THERE'S SO MANY THINGS I HERE THAT WE DON'T KNOW.
PRIVATE AND THEN PRIVATE AGAIN.
SO THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS FIGURE OUT WHAT DO WE HAVE TO PAY YEP.
OTHERWISE IT'S NOT, WE, WE, WE COULD BE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT WE HAVE, WE CAN HAVE A ONE ITEM.
SO I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW DEFINITIVELY T 15 I'VE TAKEN CARE OF.
'CAUSE PART OF THAT IS IN THE PARK.
PART OF THAT WAS TO BE DONATED BY THE BROOKLYNS.
AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE BROOKLYNS TO GET THAT LAND DONATED.
SO THAT GETS YOU ALL THE WAY TO 1 63.
I AM TRYING TO, UH, GET YOU THE LAND FROM 1 63 THAT STARTS MOVING YOU TOWARDS, UH, 1660.
UH, BUT THAT WON'T GET YOU ALL THE WAY THERE BECAUSE THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS THE GOLA DEVELOPMENT, WHICH CAME IN WHILE BEFORE I GOT BACK.
SO I'M WORKING WITH HERITAGE MILL TO TRY TO CONVINCE THEM TO GIVE US THE LAND.
RIGHT NOW THEY'RE SAYING THAT, UH, WHAT THEY SAID IS THEY CAME TO YOU GUYS AND YOU DIDN'T WANT THE LAND, BUT I'M SAYING GIVE ME THE LAND ANYWAY AS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT AND WE'LL LET EVERYBODY ELSE FIGURE OUT AFTER THAT.
SO I'M TRYING TO GET THAT LAND RIGHT NOW.
SO THEN THAT GETS YOU ALL THE WAY TO THE TREATMENT PLANT, WHICH ISN'T QUITE TO 1660, BUT IT'S GETTING YOU CLOSER.
YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF WE WANT TO START, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, BETWEEN ME AND JEFF AND ASHLEY, IF WE WANNA START FIGURING OUT HOW TO GET SOME OF THIS PRIVATE, LET'S PUT ALL OF THIS UP FOR 2030 AND
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BRING IT IN AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION AS TO WHAT IT'S GONNA COST US.I, BUT I, BUT I, YES, I LIKE THAT PLAN.
IF, IF Y'ALL WOULD, IF YOU COULD, WHICH ONE YOU GOT TWO, THIS PLAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE NEED TO GET? WHAT DO WE NEED? IS IT RIGHT AWAY? DO WE NEED TO PURCHASE? DO UH, IS IT GONNA BE PART OF A DEVELOPMENT? FOR EXAMPLE, UH, BETWEEN 6 85 AND ONE 30? UH, THE FIRST PIECE OF IT IS NOW OWNED BY HU DO ISD.
SO THAT'S NOT, PROBABLY WON'T BE AN ISSUE.
AND THEN THE REST OF IT IS GOING TO BE PART OF A DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THOSE KINDS OF CONSIDERATIONS.
BUT IF Y'ALL COULD LOOK AT THOSE PIECES AND SEE IF WE CAN PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER, THEN, THEN MAYBE WE COULD TALK ABOUT, OKAY, WHAT DO WE WANNA SPEND THE MONEY ON? WHICH TRAILS DO WE WANT TO DO? RIGHT.
'CAUSE SOME OF THESE, IF THEY'RE PRIVATE, THEY'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO DO ANYTHING, SO MAY NEED TO BE WRONG.
AND LIKE I WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE T EIGHT AND THE T 19, UM, ALMOST, AND, AND THEN THE HU DO ISD PROPERTY WOULD ALMOST GET US TO ADD OR GAIN PARK SET FOUR A LITTLE PIECE.
BUT IF THE HOE DOESN'T WANT TO PLAY BALL, THEN WELL, WE DON'T HAVE IT.
SO, BUT WE NEED GOOD NEGOTIATORS.
SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT, LIKE YOU SAID, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHO OWNS WHAT, WHAT CAN WE MAKE HAPPEN? WHAT CAN'T WE MAKE HAPPEN? EXACTLY.
BECAUSE IF WE CAN'T MAKE IT HAPPEN, WE NEED TO PULL IT OFF THE LIST OR FIGURE A WAY AROUND IT.
SO IF YOU WERE GOING TO NOT PULL IT OFF THE LIST AND YOU STILL DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION, DO YOU JUST PUT THIS OFF LIKE TO 2030 AND GO WITH YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING.
LET, LET'S PUT IT ALL UP 20, 30, EVERY ONE OF THESE MORE INFORMATION AND THAT INFORMATION SHOULD BE JUST WITHIN A YEAR.
AND THEN WE CAN PULL FORWARD, WE'RE DOING THIS EXACTLY.
SAY, OKAY, WE NOW FIND OUT ABOUT THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS.
AND THEY ALL COME UP ON THIS IS HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST AND THIS IS HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST TO GET THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S A PRIORITY FOR THIS YEAR.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK YOU GOT CONSENSUS ON PUTTING THESE AT FOUR 30? WELL, SOME OF THE PRIVATE ONES WE'VE ALREADY BEEN IN CONTACT WITH HOA, BEEN IN CONTACT WITH, THEN NOTHING'S FORMALIZED.
SO I MEAN IF, IF HOA DEPENDS ON THEY'RE LOOK CHECKING TO SEE IF THEY HAVE TO HAVE, WELL WE NEED THE BOAT OR NOT.
WE HAVE TO DRIVE A PERCENTAGE OF THE, SORRY, YOU DRIVING THAT THROUGH PARK.
MOST HOAS WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THEIR HOA.
SO AS YOU GET UPDATES ON HOA, WE NEED TO FEED THAT BACK IN.
NOW THERE'S THE, THE DIRECTION I RECEIVE IS THEY WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION IF WE GOT THE BACK END OF THE PIECE, THE PRIVATE PROPERTY BEHIND THE SCHOOL.
AND THOSE LETTERS ARE BEING DRAFTED BY LEGAL TO BE SENT OUT TO SEE WHAT, SO IS THIS A THREE TO SIX MONTH OR MORE? 12 MONTH.
I MEAN, THE LEGAL'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN TO BY THE END OF THE MONTH AND IT'S APRIL 20, WHATEVER.
DIDN'T, BUT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT RESPOND.
THEY, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO RESPOND.
YEAH, BECAUSE WE, THE OFF STREET TRAIL, WE'VE GOT 20 OF 'EM ON THERE, ONLY FIVE ARE HUDDLE OF ON THAT, THAT I'M SEEING HERE.
SO WE NEED A LOT OF ANSWERS I THINK.
AND, AND A LOT OF QUESTIONS NEED TO BE, CAN WE JUST MOVE THESE TO 2030? IF THAT'S GO FROM THERE.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN CHECK.
YOU GET INFORMATION FROM PEOPLE LIKE WELL, AND THEN ALSO YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER, THIS IS ONE THING THAT WE LOOK AT THOUGH WHEN WE'RE HAVING OUR PRE DEVS WITH OUR PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS WITH ANY OF ANYONE COMING IN.
THAT'S ONE THING THAT STAFF IS LIKE, HAVE YOU TALKED TO PARKS? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE MASTER PLAN? HAVE YOU SEEN WHAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY GIVE US? IF THEY'RE DOING A PIT OR A MUD, WE ALWAYS SAY, HEY, YOU NEED TO BE BETTER THAN WHAT THE CODE SAYS.
SO YOU NEED TO OFFER UP MORE AMENITIES.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME OF THOSE THINGS DONE.
I KNOW THAT'S HOW, UH, THE NORTHWEST SIDE UP TOWARDS RSI OR EMORY.
WE GOT ALL OF THAT BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE MASTER PLAN.
I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO JUST PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE.
SO, UH, THE LAND BETWEEN, UH, ON THE, WHAT WE CALL IT, THE WEST SIDE OF THE CREEK, UM, WHICH BETWEEN 6, 8, 5, AND ONE 30 THAT I'VE MENTIONED MM-HMM
BRUSH CREEK CREEK, THAT IS A READY MADE PARK.
I MEAN IT COULD, IT'S JUST SO READY TO BE A PARK.
IT'S CLEAN, THERE'S A NICE TREES, ET CETERA.
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WHAT I CAN ENVISION IS A, A TRAIL, UH, OR, OR AN ANCHOR, RIGHT.A PARK THAT IS AN ANCHOR THERE THAT CONNECTS BY TRAIL TO OR GANG PARK AS ANOTHER ANCHOR.
SO YOU'VE GOT A PARK THAT IS AN ANCHOR OVER HERE CONNECTED TO OUR GANG PARK.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY WE'RE GOING DOWN AND WE'VE GOT 35 ACRES OF WOODED AREA IN THE GOLAN GOLA PROPERTY, WHICH COULD EVENTUALLY BE ANOTHER PARK.
SO YOU CAN HAVE THE PARK BETWEEN 6 85 AND ONE 30.
YOU CAN HAVE ORANG PARK, YOU CAN HAVE THE PARK ON THE GOLA PROPERTY ALL CONNECTED BY TRAIL.
AND SO YOU HAVE THESE THREE PARKS, 1, 2, 3, ALL CONNECTED BY TRAIL ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CREEK.
BUT I THINK THAT'S IN YOUR MASTER PLAN.
BRUSHY CREEK TRAIL IS THE MASTER PLAN.
IT'S IN THE MASTER PLAN, IT'S ALSO IN THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY, UH, REGIONAL.
SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON TO GET WHERE EVEN IF IT'S FLOOD PLAIN WHERE WE STILL ASK FOR IT, I THINK THAT'S HOW WE GOT ANGOLA.
AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THERE ARE, UH, SIX GIANT OAK TREES BACK THERE THAT MUST BE AT LEAST 300 YEARS OLD.
I MEAN ALL, ALL, ALL OF THAT EMORY PARKLAND WE GOT BECAUSE IT WAS CONNECTED TO THE TRAIL MASTER PLAN.
YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WAS FANTASTIC.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY I THINK IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA TO KEEP THIS ON THE CIP AND NOT THAT'S TRUE.
THAT WAY DEVELOPMENT CAN SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT THIS THING.
WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR US? AGREED.
THE THREE PARKS WITH THE YEAH.
TRAILS WITH THE TRAIL CONNECTING ALL OF IT.
IT SOMETHING THAT NO OTHER CITY AROUND HERE WOULD HAVE ANYTHING CLOSE TO.
BUT WE'VE GOT AN HOA IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE GOTTA WORK THAT ISSUE ON.
SO ARE, ARE WE ALL AGREED THAT, BECAUSE I'VE GOT A NOTE UP HERE, MOVE ALL OF THOSE OFF STREET TRAILS TO 2030 AND HAVE STAFF START WORKING ON THE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ALREADY OWNED BY HUDA? YEP.
I I THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO GO.
THAT WAY IT STAYS ON THE CIP YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT CAN STILL WORK.
ANYBODY CAN YOU KNOW WHO WHO NEEDS TO GET YEAH.
WHAT ELSE IS ON OUR AGENDA? THAT'S IT.
TALK ABOUT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH.
WELL, SO HERE'S, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO MY SPREADSHEET 'CAUSE THERE'S ONE THAT WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT THAT'S NOT ON THE OKAY.
SO THERE WAS AN ATHLETIC FIELD FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT WAS DONE LAST YEAR.
THEIR ULTIMATE RECOMMENDATION AFTER TALKING TO PARKS BOARD CITY COUNCIL, AND I DON'T REMEMBER IF THEY CAME TO P AND Z OR NOT, UH, WAS THAT WE NEED TO DO A LOT MORE SPORTS FIELDS.
AND I BELIEVE THROUGH ALL THE CONVERSATIONS IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT THEY LOOK AT DOING, JEFF, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ONE BIG SPORTS COMPLEX.
THERE WERE, THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT THEY PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AND EACH ONE HAD LIKE A, EVERY YEAR YOU DELAYED IT, THIS IS HOW MUCH IT WENT UP.
AND SO, UM, ONE OF THOSE WAS TO EXPAND PR PART, BASICALLY KIND OF WHERE THE QUOTE UNQUOTE MIDWAY AREA IS GOING TO BE AND HAVE THAT ONE WAS TO, UM, BUILD A NEW SPORTS COMPLEX FOR THE COMPASS.
EVERYTHING SIMILAR TO OLD SETTLERS.
I THINK THOSE ARE KIND OF THE TWO OPTIONS.
UM, THE ONE THAT WAS THE COST EXPANSION OF FRITZ PARK WAS BALLPARK THAT, YOU KNOW, IN 2026, $16 MILLION THAT WOULD BE ADDING FIVE NEW FIELDS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE CONCRETE TO FAT ENGAGES THE SITE FURNITURE.
SO LIKE THAT AND NO, NO ONE CAN GET TO IT.
GET, WELL IT DEPENDS ON WHERE LIMMER LIVE OAK'S GOING TO BE EXPANDED AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT GOES WITH MIDWAY.
SO THE ONLY REASON I BRING IT UP IS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT WHEN CURRENTLY I'VE GOT IT SLATED TO START ENGINEERING DESIGN IN 2026 AND IT'S GONNA TAKE A WHILE TO GET THAT DESIGNED.
PLUS DO ANY LAND ACQUISITION THAT WE NEED TO DO.
SO THEN I'VE PUT CONSTRUCTION OUT IN 2028, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE OUTTA HERE WITHOUT YOU GUYS HAVING A CHANCE TO DISCUSS THAT.
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KNOW IF THAT'S A GOOD, OKAY, SO HERE'S, HERE'S THE THING THAT WE HAD, WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH ABOUT, UH, A, A SPORTS COMPLEX FOR, SINCE MIKE HEMKER WAS DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION BACK IN THE TEENS.UH, SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, I MEAN, I WORKED FOR THE GUY, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN POSSIBLY GET IN TO SEE HIM OR NOT, BUT, UH, DUKE VERT WAS WILLING IN 2015, WAS IT 14, 13, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.
HE WAS WILLING TO GIVE US 22 ACRES ON THE JUDO SIDE OF COVERT CHEVROLET ON THE, ON THE FORD SIDE.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT FROM 79, THE CHEVY SIDE'S OVER HERE, THE FORD SIDE'S OVER HERE, HE WAS WILLING TO GIVE US 22 ACRES HERE.
AND THEN THERE'S A DRIVEWAY THAT COMES DOWN IN THE BACK OFF OF MAY LANE.
HE WAS ALSO WILLING TO GIVE US PARKING SPORTS COMPLEX.
THE ONLY CAVEAT THAT HE PUT ON THAT WAS THAT THE FIELDS HAD TO BE COVERED IN TURF, NOT GRASS.
THAT'S A MILLION DOLLARS A FIELD MINIMUM BACK THEN.
SO SINCE NOTHING HAS BEEN BUILT ON THAT LAND AND THERE ARE NO FOR SALE SIGNS ON THAT LAND, HE MIGHT STILL BE AMENABLE IF SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY WOULD APPROACH HIM AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE HAD 15 YEARS AGO.
CAN WE REVISIT THAT? NOW WE'RE IN A POSITION TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD SAVE SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS OFF THAT 23 MILLION YOU'VE GOT FOR CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
WHAT ABOUT ADD, WHERE PERFECT GAME WAS SUPPOSED TO GO THAT THE OTHER SIDE THAT WHEN JEFF SAID THE MIDWAY LAND.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE MIDWAY LAND ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD DECREASE THE COST OR NOT.
'CAUSE NOW YOU'RE ADDING ALL THE CIVIL COMPONENTS INTO THAT PROPERTY AS WELL.
SO IT, IT DEPENDS ON WE'RE HAVING TO BUY LAND, THEN YES, IT'S GONNA SAVE THAT COST, BUT YOU'RE STILL HAVING TO PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THAT STUFF, WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO DO NO MATTER WHERE WE PUT UNLESS WELL, YES, BUT YOU POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE LESS IF YOU CHOSE A COMBINED MER AND BUILT ON TO MIDWAY, POTENTIALLY THERE YOU COULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT LESS SAVINGS, BUT WE WOULD BE GOING UNDER 1 32 ESSENTIALLY.
I MEAN NO, IT WOULD BE, WE'VE, IF WE'VE GOT WASTEWATER GOING IN ALONG THE EDGE OF THE COTTONWOOD OR COTTON, WHATEVER PROJECT THAT IS MM-HMM
THIS IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF 1 32.
WE'RE JUST CROSSING THE STREET.
BUT I KNOW WHEN THE PERFECT GAME STUFF STARTED, COVERT WAS NO WILLING, NO LONGER WILLING TO GIVE US ANYTHING.
UM, IT WAS PURCHASE ONLY, BUT IT WELL, PERFECT GAME IS NOW.
BUT IT WAS WHEN WE WERE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS OF LIKE, COULD WE EXPAND TO THIS? THIS WAS A CONVERSATION EARLIER.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING? AND IT WAS LIKE ABSOLUTELY NOT.
AND I THINK NOW IT'S, IT COULD BE THAT THEY SEE HOW MUCH COMMERCIAL AND HOW MUCH THE PROPERTY IS WORTH THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE WILLING TO GIVE IT UP.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT THE CULVERT SPORTS COMPLEX ACROSS FROM THIS BEAUTIFUL MIDWAY PROJECT.
I MEAN, AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING MAYBE THEY'D BE WILLING TO GIVE THE LAND IF WE PUT THEIR NAME ALL OVER.
EVERYTHING RIGHT ON THE SIDE WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST PLACE THAT SLAPS A NAME ON SOMETHING.
UM, WHERE DOES, WHERE DOES THIS LAND, SO FOR THE PARKS PEOPLE, WHERE DO Y'ALL FEEL LIKE THIS LANDS AS FAR AS THE PRIORITY GOES IN COMPARISON TO THE STUFF THAT WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT TODAY WHERE WE WERE DOING THE PHASES WHERE EVEN IF COVERT GIVES US ALL OF THAT STUFF AND THERE'S STILL A COST THAT THE CITY WILL HAVE TO PAY, RIGHT? SO LET'S SAY THAT THE CITY STILL HAS TO PAY $10 MILLION FOR IT.
THEN WE'RE GOING ALLOCATE THE MONEY THAT YOU GUYS SAID WORKED FOR PHASES OF ALL OF THESE PARKS TO GO TO THIS ATHLETIC FIELD AS AN EXAMPLE.
BECAUSE WE HAVE A FINITE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
SO WHERE DOES THIS LAND? WELL, AS FAR AS
WELL WE DO HAVE, UH, STILL SEVERAL, WHAT, $30 MILLION IN THE PARK SPOT, WHICH WOULD PAY FOR A HOW MUCH MUCH WE USE, WE USE 10 AND WE USE YEAH, WE LIKE 30 MILLION LEFT.
WELL, CAN I INTERJECT SOMETHING HERE? I I, LISTEN, I'M ALL FOR
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SPORTS FIELDS.THAT'S, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE SEEING AS FAR AS SURVEY RESULTS FROM THE COMMUNITY, IT IS SCORING VERY LOW.
SO THERE WAS SIX ITEMS IN OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN.
IT RANKED NUMBER SIX IN PRIORITIES.
WHAT WOULD YOU DO? WHERE WAS THE POOL? ON POOL WAS NUMBER, UH, THREE.
SO NUMBER ONE WAS EXTEND TRAILS.
NUMBER TWO IS ENHANCE AND RENOVATE PARKS.
NUMBER THREE WAS POOL AND NUMBER FOUR WAS COMMUNITY CENTER.
NUMBER FOUR WAS OBTAIN NEW PARK VAN.
NUMBER FIVE WAS THIS, THIS IS IN OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN SURVEY.
AND EVEN WHEN WAS THAT? THAT WAS DONE IN 2023.
SO THAT'S THE ONE WE HAD TO CONSULT TO.
AND THAT, THAT'S STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT.
NO, NO, THAT'S NOT THE VALID ONE.
THIS IS WHEN EVERYBODY, SO IT'S NOT STATISTICALLY THERE RIGHT NOW.
BUT WE HAD, BUT THAT BEING SAID, IF WE'RE SAYING IF JEFF, YOU'RE SAYING ATHLETIC BUILDS RANKED LOWEST AND WE HAVE, AND WE'RE SAYING WE HAVE $3 MILLION ALLOCATED IN 26 FOR NEXT YEAR.
TO ME, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO KEEP THAT $3 MILLION THERE.
BUT LIKE, BUT THAT'S NOT A POOL, THAT'S ATHLETIC FIELD.
IF THIS ATHLETIC FIELD AND WE'RE SAYING WE COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH A LANDOWNER, TO ME, I WOULDN'T, I WOULD NOT KEEP $3 MILLION IN NEXT YEAR.
I WOULD ADJUST THAT LINE ITEM SOMEWHERE ELSE UNTIL WE HAVE, YEAH.
AND WE HAVE AN IDEA IF THAT 23 MILLION IS REALLY 23 MILLION OR COULD IT BE REDUCED? YEAH.
THAT 23 MILLION WENT BY AS CRAP.
NOW CAN I JUST THROW IT OUT THERE AS A SPORT FIELD PARENT, UM, LOTS OF PEOPLE GO TO ROUND ROCK.
LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS OF PEOPLE.
SO BECAUSE HUDU HAS DOES NOT AND HAS NEVER HAD, THEY'VE NEVER GIVEN THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY VOTED FOR IN THE BOND HOWEVER MANY YEARS AGO.
SO PEOPLE LEAVE THE HUDU PARENTS SAY, WE ARE GONNA TAKE OUR KIDS TO TONY CAN.
I MEAN THEY DRIVE ROUND DROPS.
THEY SAY, SCREW YOU HU WE'RE GONNA DRIVE FIVE MINUTES DOWN THE ROAD.
OR THEY GO TO, AND MY KIDS WILL, OR THEY GO TO TAYLOR, THEY GO TO, I MEAN, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF PLACES.
SO WHEN THEY SAY IT RANKS LOWER ON THE LIST, IT'S BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE LIKE THEY'VE GIVEN UP ON HUDDLE BECAUSE WE VOTED FOR A $50 MILLION BOND FOR YOU TO GIVE US FIELDS.
AND YOU DIDN'T GIVE US FIELDS.
OH, YOU WAS, THAT BOND, IS THAT 18? I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE ATHLETICA WAS THE ONE OF THE FOUR THAT DIDN'T PASS? NO, NO, IT PASSED 18.
THERE WERE THREE BOND MANAGERS.
AND SO I'M THINKING OF PROBABLY EARLIER.
SO YEAH, SO IT DID PASS, BUT THEY DIDN'T GET IT.
SO I THINK IT JUST, IT'S, IT'S SOURED A LOT OF PEOPLE AND SO, BUT THEY, WE STILL HAVE KIDS THAT STILL WANNA PLAY ON BALL FIELDS AND SO THEY TAKE THEM OTHER PLACES OR THEY TAKE THEM TO SELECT.
UM, BUT I DO KNOW THERE'S STILL A REALLY GREAT GROUP OF OH YEAH.
PEOPLE HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND THEY HAVE TO STOP ENROLLMENT WHEN THEY GET TO A CERTAIN LEVEL OF TEAMS BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY THE FIELDS THAT ARE HERE THAT CAN ONLY ACCOMMODATE X AMOUNT.
SO THEY SAY REGISTRATION'S CLOSED, WE CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE.
SO YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU COULD GET IF YOU HAD MORE FIELDS TO WORK WITH.
SO FOR WHAT THAT'S WORTH, UM, I THINK IT NEEDS TO STAY IN THE CONVERSATION.
YOU AND I COULD TALK FOR HOURS ON THIS, BUT I GET THAT.
BUT I'M, I'M, SO IT NEEDS TO STAY.
MAYBE RIGHT NOW IS NOT THE MOMENT FOR THAT $3 MILLION.
BUT IT, IT NEEDS TO STAY, I THINK IN YOU KEEP IT ON THE CI RIGHT? WE'LL KEEP IT ON THE LIST.
I WAS GONNA SAY, IS EVERYONE COMFORTABLE WITH PUSHING IT FROM 2026, 3 MILLION TO 2027 AND THE 23.5 TO 29? 29, 28 TO 20.
WE JUST SLIDE IT RIGHT? ONE YEAR.
THAT ALLOWS US TIME TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS.
LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY OF PUTTING IT ON COVERT LAND ACROSS.
I MEAN, I'M THINKING, I'M THINKING ACROSS FROM MIDWAY WOULD BE AWESOME BECAUSE MIDWAY IS GOING TO DEVELOP THAT STUFF AND THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA WANT TO PUT A HOTEL IN AT THAT POINT.
IF THERE'S A BUNCH OF BALL FIELDS, IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR RETAIL MONEY.
JUST GO LOOK AT WHAT TAYLOR CAN DO EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND WITH FALL TOURNAMENTS.
AND THEY'RE THE BACKUP THE MAYOR WAS.
THE MAYOR WAS USED ALL WEEKEND.
ONES WITH TURF ARE EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND.
AND THEY'VE TWO HOTELS OVER THERE NOW.
SO THERE'S THEY FULL ITEMS ON THE C THAT WE DID NOT DISCUSS THAT I HAVE NOTICED AS OUR LINE ITEMS. UM, VETERANS MEMORIAL AND YMCA IMPROVEMENTS.
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IS ALREADY BEING BUILT.AND YMCA'S, WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED THE MONEY TO YMCA.
SO HAVE THEY DONE ANYTHING? ARE WE OFFICIALLY DONE THEN? WELL, LET ME MOVE THESE OVER, BUT YEAH, I THINK WE'RE ANY, ANYTHING MORE I HAVE TOMORROW.
I DUNNO, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YEAH.
THEY HAVEN'T STARTED CONSTRUCTION KIDS.
THEY'RE FINALIZING THEIR DESIGN.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE PICKLEBALL COURTS.
BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'VE GOT A DOLLAR AMOUNT ON HERE.
WISHING KNOW THE BEST OF LUCK.
I HOPE I DIDN'T HEAR THAT ON ANYTHING.
I'VE HEARD IT MENTIONED PICKLEBALL IS ALREADY IN PROGRESS.
THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT.
I THOUGHT WE, IT'S ALREADY IN PROGRESS.
I THOUGHT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
I, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN PROGRESS.
WELL, IT WASN'T IN THE, ANY OF THE MASTER PLAN ITEMS, BUT IT'S ALREADY IN PROGRESS.
IT'S ALREADY FUNDED FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FINISH THOSE.
I'M, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS HERE.
UH, SO WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR REPORT, UM, DO WE WANT SCROLL? CAN SHE GO ACTUALLY MATT, CAN YOU SCROLL DOWN? OKAY.
IF YOU GET INTO ALL THESE X PROJECTS, THESE ARE ALL THE ONES WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED.
I'M LOOKING FOR DOLLAR AMOUNT ONES.
KIND OF LIKE PARK WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED.
THOSE ARE THE TWO WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED.
I'M TELLING YOU ALL THESE, ALL THESE DOUBLE X PROJECTS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.
UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR REPORT.
JUST SO FOR YOU TO KNOW I VOLUNTEER.
WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH ANGEL TO GET THIS ONLINE BECAUSE IT WAS TEAMS RECORDED, NOT ON NORMAL RECORDED THAT WE HAVE DOWNSTAIRS.
UM, WE WILL BE WORKING ON GETTING OUR MEETING MINUTES FOR BOTH GROUPS IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED.
WE HAD A FEW PEOPLE TAKING NOTES.
WE'VE ALWAYS GOT OUR RECORDER HERE AT THE SAME TIME FOR PNZ COMMISSIONERS.
WE WILL HAVE A REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING NEXT TUESDAY.
ARE WE STARTING AT SEVEN OR EARLIER? YES.
WE, NO, WE'LL START REGULARLY SCHEDULED AT SEVEN.
DO YOU HAVE AN ETA OF WHEN WE'LL GET OUT? UM, HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE THAT BAD BECAUSE I THINK WITH HOW MUCH WORK WE PUT INTO THE UDC, IT'S, IT'S NOT FAR OFF FROM ALL OF THOSE OTHER TIMES.
SO WHEN YOU PUT THE WORK IN THAT MUCH IN THE FOREFRONT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT LEARNING, THAT'S FOR SURE.
IT'S BEEN 18 MONTHS WORTH OF JUST SITTING DOWN AND SLOGGING THROUGH IT.
SO, UM, THAT WILL BE COMING TO YOU ON TUESDAY.
AND WE'LL BE GETTING AGENDAS ON FRIDAY.
I KNOW HE'S PROBABLY GONNA ROLL HIS EYES AT ME BECAUSE I HAVE THE UDC ITEM AND I'M THE ONE WORKING ON IT.
SO IF THERE IS A HOLD UP, IT IS MY FAULT.
I TOTALLY TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.
IF THERE IS NOTHING ELSE, WE WILL ADJOURN AT 10 38.
OH, HOW MUCH DID THAT, UH, DID THAT? SO YOU WANT THESE WHERE? OH, YOU CAN JUST LEAVE RIGHT NOW.
THIS PLAN, THIS PROJECT A HIGH, MEDIUM, LOW.
YEAH, THE MASTER THE THING YOU OH, THE PARTS MASTER PLAN.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THE ITEMS THAT COST AND THE PRIORITIES, WHICH YOU LINED OUT QUITE A BIT OF.
HOW MUCH DID THAT THAT, OH, THAT SAVE THAT THING CALLED THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
THAT'S WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE THAT WE WERE USING TONIGHT.
THAT WAS ALL FROM THE MASTER PLAN? YEAH.
WELL THAT WAS AN, UH, I THINK IT WAS LIKE BYEBYE 1 31 40.
AND THAT WAS RELEASED WHEN? UH, LAST YEAR.
WHY WAS THIS SO FAR OFF? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? SO FAR OFF? WE CROSSED THROUGH PRETTY MUCH TWO THIRDS OF IT.
UH, THEY'RE JUST BASED ON, THEY'RE USING NATIONAL STANDARDS AND ADDING, MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS THAN WHAT WE HAVE WE'RE IT'S JUST A THAN $130,000 ON SOMETHING THAT WE THREW TWO THIRDS OF IT AWAY.
WE DIDN'T THROW TWO THIRDS OF IT AWAY.
IT DOESN'T MEAN, DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT DOING 'EM.
JUST MEANS WE'RE NOT DOING 'EM RIGHT NOW.
DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T THAT'S TRUE.
I THINK THEY WERE LOOKING 15 YEARS.
THAT IT, IT IS LIKE, UH, WHEN WE DID THE, SO TIE 24, YOU KNOW.
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2024.SO WHAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS START.
I'LL BE HERE THURSDAY ABOUT TWO HALF YEARS AGO.
NO, BUT THIS IS YOUR LIKE DID IT STARTED ABOUT TWO AND HALF YEARS AGO.
AND, BUT EVERYBODY KNOW IT'S JUST YOU.
BUT THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT HELP.
THERE'S A GUY NAMED TIM HELPS.
AND UH, SOMETIMES OTHER PEOPLE WILL VOLUNTEER COME ALONG AS WELL.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE A PART OF WHAT WE THAT'S WHY.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING ON THAT CREEKSIDE UH, PARK TRAIL AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
WHEN DO YOU GUYS MEET? LIKE SATURDAY MORNING? UH, WHENEVER WE CAN GET TOGETHER.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLAN RIGHT NOW.
LIKE YOU SAID, YOU'RE PRETTY BUSY, BUT YOU CAN GO, YOU CAN GO SEE IT.
UM, IF YOU DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CREEK SIDE PARK IS? UH, OFF 1660.
RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACK.
RICHARD LITTLE ROAD THAT GOES OVER TO THE PARK.
OR MAYBE I'LL SEND YOU, I NEED TO MAKE YEAH.
HAVE SOME, NOT EVEN FIVE YEARS.
I TRYING TO FIND, THEY'VE GOT A BIG BUMP.
THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, I OVERHEARD HIM.
VOLUNTEERS WON'T TAKE CARE OF ANYBODY.
COREY, CAN I HAVE YOU FOR JUST, BUT REALLY THE THURSDAY GROUP, SATURDAY GROUP MAYBE.
MAYBE WE SHOULD, UH, GO AND MEET THEM AND SEE WHAT THEY ORGANIZE THAT.
HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THINGS.
STAFF MEMBERS AND THEY WORK WITH THE VOLUNTEERS STAFF.
DO WE NEED TO TURN THIS OFF? YEAH, I GUESS SO.
I DUNNO, I THINK JUST SHUTTER DOWN.
SEE, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO ON SOME OF THE PARK STUFF, I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE A PRETTY HONEST CONVERSATION.
WE HAVE BEEN TOLD MULTIPLE TIMES DURING DEVELOPMENT SERVICE OR DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS.
WE DON'T WANT THAT PARKLAND WHAT PARK LANE? UM, ANYTHING THAT FLOOD POINT GOLA WAS BECAUSE MATT GOT IT.
IT'S NOT PARKLAND, IT'S DRAINAGE.
THERE ARE DEFINITELY A LOT OF THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD BEING SAID BY NOT YOU, BY SOME OF THE OTHER PARKS BOARD MEMBERS THAT LIKE OUR TEAMS HAVE BEEN STOPPING PARKS, TRAILS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND WE'VE LITERALLY BEEN ADVOCATING BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET PARKLAND.
OTHERWISE WE ASKED FOUR OR FIVE TIMES AND THERE'S PUBLIC RECORDS FOR IT ON EVERYTHING ON THAT NORTHERN PORTION THAT AMANDA WOOD CAME AND TALKED OR THAT'S AMANDA BROWN.
AMANDA BROWN CAME AND TALKED TO YOU GUYS ABOUT, BECAUSE WE'RE LIKE, NO, IT'S LITERALLY IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
AND JEFF WAS LIKE, WE DON'T WANT IT.
I'M LIKE, NO, IT'S IN THE MASTER PLAN.
SO I JUST WANNA KNOW THAT A LOT OF STUFF THAT YOU'RE SEEING THAT'S PROGRESS IS BECAUSE HE'S BEEN DOING, BECAUSE IF WE CAN'T GET IT AS PARKLAND, WE'RE TAKING A DRAIN.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I TOLD HER.
I WAS LIKE, I KNOW THAT THE PARK BOARD IS GONNA WANT THIS STUFF, SO IF I CAN'T GET IT AS PARKLAND, I'M GONNA GET IT AS DRAINAGE.
AND THEN WHEN THEY COME BACK AND SAY, WE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THIS, I'M GONNA SAY, OH, I, IT'S ALREADY HERE SECURE.
SO EVEN TO THIS DAY, HE'S SAYING WE DON'T WANT IT.
THERE'S SOME NOW THAT WE'RE JUST LIKE, WELL, GOLA, WE JUST STOPPED ASKING.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE THIS DRAINAGE.
WELL, IT COULD BE A PARK THOUGH.
IT COULD BE, BUT IT'S TECHNICALLY DRAINAGE.
SO WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ON HOW IT GETS FUNDED BECAUSE IT'S NOT ACTUALLY DEDICATED AS LIKELY.
AND WE, AND WE NEGOTIATED A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS EXTRA MM-HMM
DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND? MM-HMM.
SO WE MET WITH THEM AND THEY CAME AND SAID, WE WANT GIVE YOU THIS MONEY.
OR WE WANNA GIVE YOU THIS LAND.
I THINK THE PLOTS TO SHOW US DRAINAGE.
WE SAID, OKAY, THEY WANTED TO GIVE US THE LAND AS PARK DEVELOPMENT AS PART OF THE PARKS DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD OF PAYING RIGHT.
AND IT WAS, UH, SO WE SAID, OKAY, HOW MUCH
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ACREAGE IS THAT? HOW MUCH ARE YOU, SHOULD YOU, WOULD YOU BE GIVING PER HOUSE? AND SO THEY WERE SHORT.AND SO WE SAID, WELL, WOULD YOU CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS CHECK? AND THEY SAID YES.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT P AND Z HAS BEEN ASKING FOR, FOR A WHILE.
LIKE, AND SO THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GIVE US A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN ADDITION TO THAT 65 ACRES THAT THEY'RE, DID YOU GET THE MONEY? I DON'T THINK SO.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GIVE US THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WITH WHENEVER THEY FINISH PHASE THREE.
IT'S THAT LAST, THE LOWEST PLAT.
WHENEVER THEY FINISH THE, UH, PLA THREE, DIDN'T THEY ALREADY DO ONE AND THREE AND THEN THEY'RE WORKING ON TWO AND FOUR OR WHEN THEY FINISH FOUR MAYBE.
IT'S WHATEVER THAT LAST ONE IS.
AND THAT'S USUALLY WHEN WE'RE WAITING ON THE RECORDATION AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING DONE, AND VET'S JUST SENDING OUT THE EMAILS OF LIKE, DID YOU, DO WE HAVE MONEY? DO WE HAVE A PARKMAN LETTER OF ATTEND? DO WE HAVE ANY OF THAT? SO JUST BECAUSE YEAH.
THEY CAME AND MET WITH US AND, AND WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD AND WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD FROM THE PARKS DIRECTOR AND FROM THEM IS THAT THIS WAS LAND IN LIEU OF THE, OF THE FEE PER, PER PER ROOFTOP.
I JUST KNOW THAT WHEN I WAS HERE BEFORE AND WE PURCHASED ORAIN PARK, THAT THE PLAN WAS PUT IN PLACE AT THAT TIME.
THIS WAS 20 18, 20 17 MM-HMM
TO HAVE BASICALLY A, A LINEAR PARK THAT FOLLOWS THE CREEK ALL THE WAY FROM 1 37 TO 1660.
AND SO WHEN I CAME BACK IN 23 AND I STARTED NEGOTIATING WITH THESE GUYS, I WAS LIKE, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE PARKED ON.
AND THEY SAID, NO, WE TRIED TO GIVE IT TO YOU GUYS AS PARKS AND THEY DIDN'T WANT IT.
AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, WELL GIVE IT TO ME AS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
I'LL, I'LL TAKE THE LAND AS DRAINAGE.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T, THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT ANYWAY.
I'M LIKE, JUST GIVE IT TO ME AS DRAINAGE AND THEN, BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS SOMEBODY'S GONNA COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, I THOUGHT WE HAD A PLAN.
I'M LIKE, YEAH, SO DID I, BUT I WENT AHEAD AND GOT THE LAND ANYWAY.
AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO COVER ALL MY BASES.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SWIN DOLLS, THE, THEY HAVE THE PIECE BETWEEN THE BROOKLYNS AND THEY'VE GOT 10 ACRES BETWEEN THE BROOKLYNS AND THAT NEXT DEVELOPMENT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE GOLA PROPERTY.
WHAT'S THAT CALLED? ON THE WEST SIDE OF GOLA IS THE HERITAGE MILL PROPERTY.
SO BETWEEN THE BROOKLYNS SLIVER AND, UH, THE HERITAGE MILL, THERE'S A FAMILY CALLED THE SWINDOLL'S.
AND THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE WILLING TO TALK ALSO ABOUT LETTING, UH, ALLOWING RIGHT OF WAY THROUGH THERE.
AND I, I CAN GIVE YOU THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION.
THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY COOL FAMILY.
THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT LIABILITY.
AND I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M, I TOLD THEM, I'M SURE THAT THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU WON'T BE LIABLE, BUT THEY YEAH.
THEY WANT TO SEE THAT TRAIL GO THROUGH THERE.
SO THEY OWN THAT LITTLE PIECE RIGHT PAST THE, THE, THE PIECE OF THE BROOKLYN ZONES.
BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE BROOKLYNS, BROOKLYNS AND THE CEMETERY.
BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT, THEIR PROPERTY ENDS AT THE, WHAT'S THAT COUNTY ROAD? IT'S A DIRT ROAD NOW.
THEIR PROPERTY ENDS RIGHT AT 1 63.
AND, AND SO, AND THEY'VE, SO THEY'VE GOT 10 ACRES IN THERE.
THEY GO BACK THERE AND THERE'S, THEY'VE GOT SOME TRAILS BACK THERE AND EVERYTHING.
BUT LIKE THAT LAND, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN NO, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
AND WE GOT THE OTHER, GOSH, HUNDREDS OF ACRES OVER IN THE MEADOWBROOK.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT? THE MUD THING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK? YEAH.
HOW THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF
WELL, IT'S GONNA BE MUD, BUT THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO DEDICATE THAT PROPERTY OVER TO THEM.
BUT WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET ACROSS.
AND IT'S PART OF THE, IT'S, IT, IT, YEAH, IT'S RIGHT THERE BY THE CREEK.
BUT THAT'S ONE THAT LIKE RENEGOTIATED.
BECAUSE WE'RE LIKE, HEY, YOU DON'T WANT IT, WE'LL TAKE IT'S TAKE.
BECAUSE THE ANSWER WAS WHAT'S NOT? AND THEN IT WAS ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
AND I'M JUST LIKE THIS AND THIS PIECE BETWEEN, UH, ONE, IT'LL 6 85 AND ONE 30 IS INCREDIBLE.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT SOMEBODY, THEY SOLD IT TO THE ID AND THE ID JUST SNATCHED UP SOME OF THAT PROPERTY.
I'M LIKE, YEAH, FOR A BUS BAR.
BUT, SO WE NEED TO TALK TO THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DEVELOP UP TO THE CREEK SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A CORRIDOR THROUGH THERE.
ALL WE, YOU KNOW, UH, OH, NOBODY'S DEVELOPING UP TO THE CREEK.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO BECAUSE I'M THE FLOOD PLAIN ADMINISTRATOR AS WELL.
SO WE NEED TO, WE JUST NEED TO GET, UM, YOU KNOW, A SLIVER FROM THEM.
AND, UH, AND, AND THEN THAT OTHER, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, WAS IT 77 ACRES, THAT TRIANGLE PIECE THAT'S ON THEIR WEST SIDE OR ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HISD PROPERTY? UM, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
I MEAN, IT'S ABSOLUTELY, AND SOME PEOPLE HAVE BUILT
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TRAILS OVER THERE, MAN.UH, BUT THERE ARE SOME AMAZING TRAILS.
THERE'S A MILE OF TRAIL THERE.
AND IT'S, UH, THEY MAINTAIN IT TOO.
IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ONE 30.
AND THEN THERE'S A PIECE THAT GOES, UH, ALL THE WAY UP, UH, JUST TO THE WEST OF THE HISD PROPERTY.
IT GOES ALL THE WAY UP ALMOST TO THAT HOUSE.
IT'S UP ON THAT HILL, AND THEN IT GOES WAY OUT INTO THIS FIELD THROUGH, IN A STAND OF TREES.
BUT, UH, WELL, THANKS FOR LETTING ME KNOW.