May 15, 2025 City Council

[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]

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>> 7:00, I CALLED THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THURSDAY, MAY 25TH, 25 TO ORDER. ROLL CALL. COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON?

>> HERE. >> COUNCILMEMBER FOREIGN?

>> HERE. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR?

>> HERE. -- >> NEXT IF YOU WILL LIVE RISE TO

BE LED BY -- IN PRAYER. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR SNYDER.

PEACE BE WITH YOU WERE THE FIRST WORDS OF OUR NEW POPE, POPE LEO THE 14TH AND WE ASK ME THE PEACE OF CHRIST BE WITH OUR CITY OF HUTTO AS WE GATHER TOGETHER TONIGHT IN BUILDING A CITY FOR THE COMMON GOOD. GOD OF MERCY WE LIFT UP IN PRAYER ON THIS PEACE OFFICERS MEMORIAL DAY , DAY IN WHICH WE HONOR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WHO FELLOWSHIP AND FRATERNITY FOR THE BEAUTIFUL GIFTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE YOUR PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF HUTTO. HELP ASSESS SISTERS AND BROTHERS TO ACT WITH CHARACTER AND CONVICTION. HELP US TO LISTEN WITH UNDERSTANDING AND GOODWILL AND HELP US TO SPEAK WITH CHARITY AND RESPECT FOR ONE ANOTHER. WE PRAY LIFT UP THOSE WHO ARE SUFFERING IN ANY WAY, WHETHER IT BE IN MIND, BODY, SPIRITUAL THE MENTAL, PHYSICAL ILLNESSES, HOLY SPIRIT SENT FORTH YOUR HEALING POWER AND GRACE UPON THOSE WHO SUFFER, ESPECIALLY DURING THESE CHALLENGING TIMES WHERE WE ARE EXPERIENCING GROWING PAINS OF THE CITY AND WE HUMBLY ASK THAT YOU SEND FORTH YOUR HEALING POWER AND GRACE UPON OUR CITY, OUR COUNTRY AND IN OUR WORLD IS RESPOND TO THE MANY NEEDS THAT PEOPLE DESIRE AND FINALLY FATHER, RENEW WITHIN US THE STRENGTH OF YOUR PRESENCE AND THE JOY OF HELPING TO BUILD A COMMUNITY WORTHY OF A HUMAN PERSON. HELP US TO GO AS A FAMILY OF FAMILIES WITH GREAT ZEAL IN SERVING YOU AND OUR NEIGHBORS AND WE ASK THIS AS YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS CONFIDENT IN YOUR LOVE AND JESUS

CHRIST OUR LORD. AMEN. >> JOINED ME IN THE PLEDGE.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG; I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

[5.1. Historic Preservation Month Historic Preservation Commission)]

>> THE MEMBERS OF OUR HPC AND OTHER ADVOCATES FOR OUR HISTORIC COMMUNITY , IF YOU WANT TO COME UP.

THANKS FOR COMING. PROCLAMATION ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH, WHEREAS HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS AN EFFECTIVE TOOL FOR PROMOTING SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT, REVITALIZING HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS , FOSTERING LOCAL PRIDE, PROMOTING TOURISM AND MAINTAINING COMMUNITY CHARACTER . WHEREAS THE CITY OF HUTTO ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE IN APRIL OF 2000 CREATING HUTTO'S HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ESTABLISHING THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION . WHEREAS IN 2005 THE NATIONAL TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION EXTENDED THE CELEBRATION OF PRESERVATION TO THE ENTIRE MONTH OF MAY . IN ORDER TO PROMOTE HISTORIC PLACES AND HERITAGE TOURISM AND DEMONSTRATE THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND WHEREAS IN 2011 DOWNTOWN HUTTO WAS PLACED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. AND WHEREAS IT IS IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND CELEBRATE THE BENEFIT OF HISTORY AND ARCHITECTURE IN OUR LIVES AND THE CONTRIBUTION OF DEDICATED INDIVIDUALS THAT VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME IN HELPING TO PRESERVE THE TANGIBLE ASPECTS OF THE HERITAGE THAT HAS SHAPED THE CITY. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF HUTTO CONTINUES TO DEMONSTRATE ITS COMMITMENT TO PRESERVATION IN PART WITH THE ADOPTION OF A DOWNTOWN PLAN AS PART OF HUTTO 2040 CONFERENCE A PLAN TO CONTINUE THE EFFORTS IN

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WORDS? >> ON BEHALF OF THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION WE THINK THE CITY FOR THIS RECOGNITION.

WE ARE EXCITED FOR OUR NEW YEAR AND THE UPCOMING 150TH ANNIVERSARY OF OUR CITIES ESTABLISHMENT NEXT YEAR AND THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE FOR THAT. WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

[5.2. National Police Week (Hutto Police Department)]

>> THANK YOU , MR. MAYOR. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> NEXT A PROCLAMATION FOR NATIONAL POLICE WEEK , IF MEMBERS OF OUR HPD WANT TO COME UP, OTHER LAW-ENFORCEMENT SUPPORTERS. THE CHIEF IS COMING UP. WE ALSO HAVE A PRESENTATION TONIGHT, WHICH I KNOW WILL BE GOOD.

>> WEEK 2025 PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS, THERE ARE MORE THAN 800,000 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS SERVING IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, INCLUDING THE DEDICATED MEMBERS OF THE HUTTO POLICE DEPARTMENT. WHEREAS, SINCE THE FIRST RECORDED DEATH IN 1786, MORE THAN 26,000 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE AND BEEN KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY, INCLUDING 1 MEMBER OF THE HUTTO POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WHEREAS, THE NAMES OF THESE DEDICATED PUBLIC SERVANTS ARE ENGRAVED ON THE WALLS OF THE NATIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS MEMORIAL IN WASHINGTON, DC. WHEREAS, THE SERVICE AND SACRIFICE OF ALL OFFICERS KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY WILL BE HONORED DURING THE NATIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS MEMORIAL FUND'S 37TH CANDLELIGHT VIGIL, ON THE EVENING OF MAY 13, 2025 PART OF NATIONAL POLICE WEEK, WHICH WILL BE OBSERVED THIS YEAR MAY 11TH-17TH. WHEREAS, MAY 15TH IS DESIGNATED AS PEACE OFFICERS MEMORIAL DAY, IN HONOR OF ALL FALLEN OFFICERS AND THEIR FAMILIES AND U.S. FLAGS SHOULD BE FLOWN AT HALFSTAFF.

THEREFORE, BE IT PROCLAIMED THAT THE CITY OF HUTTO WILL OBSERVE MAY 11TH THROUGH 17TH AS NATIONAL POLICE WEEK IN THE CITY OF HUTTO, AND PUBLICLY SALUTES THE SERVICE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE NATION.

BEFORE HAND THIS OFF TO CHIEF YARBOROUGH I CAN TELL YOU THAT POLICING IS NOT EASY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU DO NOT WORK FOR A GOOD LEADER AND SINCE CHIEF YARBROUGH HAS COME TO HUTTO I CAN TELL YOU , TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO BE A POLICE OFFICER IN HUTTO , THEY DID IT OUT OF THE LOVE OF THE JOB OR I GUESS OUT OF THE LOVE OF HUTTO, NOT THE LEVEL OF THE JOB BUT I THINK WE HAVE NOW, WE HAVE A LEADER THAT MAKES PEOPLE LOVE IT SO MUCH THAT WE ARE STEALING PEOPLE FROM OTHER CITIES AND THERE IS A LINE OF PEOPLE. I'VE NEVER SEEN MORE OFFICERS HAPPY TO PUT THEIR LIVES AT RISK, HAPPY TO WORK HOLIDAYS, HAVING WORKED TILL MIDNIGHT, HAPPY TO WORK IN THE RAIN, BEFORE WE DID NOT SEE THAT. THANK YOU TO YOU, YOUR PEOPLE , EVERYTHING YOU

GUYS HAVE DONE, ANYWAY . >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AT EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU. NATIONAL POLICE WEEK IS A SOLEMN OCCASION BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE AS LAW-ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT AND SEEING US IN THE STREET AND SAYING THANK YOU BECAUSE THAT LITTLE BIT OF SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGEMENT GOES A LONG WAY FOR US WHEN WE ARE DOING SOMETIMES WHAT FEELS LIKE A THANKLESS JOB. WE KNOW WE HAVE

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BE HERE. SO, THANK YOU. >>

[6. CITY MANAGER COMMENTS]

>> NEXT WE HAVE CITY MANAGER COMMENTS.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR , COUNCIL, CITIZENS OF HUTTO. JAMES EARP, CITY MANAGER FOR THE RECORD. FIRST, THE QR CODE AS A REMINDER WILL TAKE YOU TO A PAGE THAT WILL GIVE YOU ALL THE INFORMATION I WILL BE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. FIRST, A BIG COMPONENT FOR OUR OUTSIDE AGENCY FOLKS , THE OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING IS NOW OPEN FOR APPLICATIONS. THE HUTTO CITY COUNCIL MAY PROVIDE FUNDING TO OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS ANNUALLY THAT PROVIDE SERVICES FOR THE RESIDENTS OF HUTTO. THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING RECEIVED DEPENDS UPON COUNCIL DIRECTION AND OBVIOUSLY THE AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS. THE DEADLINE FOR THE APPLICATION SUBMISSION FOR THIS YEAR IS JUNE 20TH. PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU GET YOUR APPLICATIONS IN BY JUNE 20TH. THE CITY OF HUTTO IS CURRENTLY SEEKING STATEMENTS OF QUALIFICATIONS FROM EXPERIENCED FIRMS TO ESTABLISH A POOL OF SERVICE PROVIDERS FOR VARIOUS ON-CALL AND SERVICES FOR THE 2026 FISCAL YEAR. ALL SUBMISSIONS ARE DUE BY MAY 30TH, 2025, THAT IS IN 15 DAYS. THIS IS THE TYPE OF WORK THIS IS OPEN FOR IS UTILITY COORDINATION, TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING , DRAINAGE ENGINEERING, ARCHITECTURE, MATERIALS TESTING, SURVEYING , ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEERING AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE. FOR THE PUBLIC THAT ALLOWS US TO HAVE A POOL OF FOLKS WHO ARE ALREADY PREQUALIFIED AND SELECTED, SO WE CAN CYCLE THROUGH THE LIST, SPREAD THE WORK AROUND FAIRLY AND NOT DELAY PROJECTS. NEXT IS COUNCIL TODAY WILL TAKE ACTION TO DECLARE RUNOFF FOR ELECTION TO REPLACE COUNCILMEMBER THREE AND SIX, EARLY VOTING WILL OPEN UP MAY 27TH AND RUN TO JUNE 3RD.

IT WILL BE HELD 8:00 A.M. TO 6:00 P.M. AND IT SAYS CLOSING SUNDAY , JUNE 1ST, SO THAT MEANS? OKAY. ELECTION DAY FOR THIS RUNOFF IS SATURDAY JUNE 7TH, THE VOTING FOR THAT DAY WILL BE 7:00 A.M. TO 7:00 P.M. , VOTING AGAIN WILL OCCUR HERE AT CITY HALL. YOU CAN COME AND CAST YOUR VOTE. WE HAVE THE NONPROFIT SHARE OF THE WILL FOUNDATION THAT WILL HOLD A FREE STRANGER DANGER AND BASIC CPR CLASS ON SATURDAY MAY 24TH FROM 8:00 TO NOON HERE AT HUTTO CITY HALL . THE CLASS IS OPEN TO KIDS AGES 4 TO 17, PLEASE NOTE REGARDING IS REQUIRED ON SITE BUT NO REGISTRATION IS REQUIRED. NONPROFITS, BUSINESSES AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THE PEACE AND DISASTER RESPONSE EFFORT COMING UP AND WE ARE ASKING EVERYONE TO COME OUT TO HUTTO STRONG SUMMIT , LEARN HOW TO PREPARE, COORDINATE AND RECOVER AS ONE COMMUNITY. REGISTRATION FOR THE EVENT IS REQUIRED , THE EVENT WILL BE HELD WEDNESDAY MAY 21ST FROM 9:00 TO 3:00 P.M. AT WILLIAM SOME HIGHER EDUCATION CENTER. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IS HOSTING THE BIZ DRIVE EVENT ON TUESDAY JUNE 17TH 6:00 TO 7:30 P.M. HERE AT HUTTO CITY HALL . IT IS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND ENTREPRENEURS , WE ARE ASKING YOU TO RSVP IN ORDER TO JOIN A PRESENTATION WITH A FOCUS ON PROTECTING YOUR BUSINESSES. RSVP

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[7. PUBLIC COMMENT]

>> THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT IS ITEM 8.1. SORRY. I ALMOST SKIPPED OVER PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND THE LIGHT WILL BE GREEN AND THEN WHEN THERE'S 30 SECONDS LEFT TO GO TO YELLOW AND THEN WHEN TIME IS UP IT WILL GO TO READ. FIRST WE

HAVE TERRENCE OWENS. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I AM TERRENCE OWENS , I LIVE FOR THE PAST 25 YEARS.

BEFORE I GET STARTED I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE MY CONDOLENCE TO AN AMAZING TEACHER AND A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR OUR KIDS, CYNTHIA DAVIS PASSED AWAY THIS WEEK AND SHE WILL BE TRULY MISSED. I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON SOME CERTAIN THINGS BUT I HAVEN'T FELT COMPELLED TO SPEAK ON OTHERS. ITEM 13.1 AND 13.2 WILL BE DISCUSSED TODAY , I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING HOW IT IS SERVING OUR CITY. HOW IS THAT HELPING OUR ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND SAFETY? I HAVE LIVED IN THIS TOWN FOR 25 YEARS, I'VE KNOWN DEBBIE HOLLAND, MIKE ACKERMAN, DOUG HALL AND MAYOR SNYDER AND CONGRATULATIONS FOR RE-ELECTION.

THIS COMMUNITY MEANS A LOT TO ME. AND WHAT I SEE IS , AND WE ARE ALL GUILTY INCLUDING MYSELF, THE PERSONAL TAX, THE, I CAN GET YOU MOMENTS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS AND HOW THAT BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY. TWO WEEKS AGO SOMEBODY LEFT A NOTE ON MY CAR, TELLING ME TO STAND DOWN , THAT I WAS BEING TOO LOUD. I WALK OUT OF MY HOUSE FEARFUL EVERY DAY. I'VE HAD TO CALL THE CHIEF, I KNOW ELECTIONS GET UGLY , I HAVE SEEN DOUG GALL, DEBBIE HOLLAND, IT IS A CURSE ON THIS COMMUNITY. AND IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO POWER, CONTROL AND PERSONAL AGENDA. I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO WORK TOGETHER FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THIS COMMUNITY. AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE GROUPS AND SUPPORTERS WHO FEEL THE NEED TO GO OUT AND ATTACK PEOPLE, JUST BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE. I AM BEGGING YOU ALL AGAIN, I'VE BEEN APPEAR TOO MANY TIMES, I HAVE ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH. BEING A MAN OF COLOR AND THIS JUST ADDS ONE MORE THING I HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.

THANK YOU. >> NEXT WE HAVE PHILIP GRAVES .

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>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CITY STAFF. TONIGHT DURING YOU-ALL'S EXECUTIVE SESSION YOU WILL ALL BE DISCUSSING 400 HIGHVIEW LANE , WE BELIEVE THE UPDATED DOCUMENTS THAT YOU ALL WILL BE REVIEWING REFLECT YOUR INPUT AND BRING US AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO WHERE WE WERE PRIOR TO SIGNING THAT OF ELEMENT AGREEMENT. THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN LONG AND CHALLENGING FOR US, BOTH IN TIME AND FINANCIAL COST. WE HAVE WORKED IN GOOD FAITH TO MEET YOUR EXPECTATIONS AND WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THAT EFFORT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH US . WE ARE READY TO TURN THE PAGE AND START THE NEXT CHAPTER.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND CONTINUED CONSIDERATION. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR . NEXT WE HAVE ABIGAIL WEAVER.

>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS ABIGAIL WEAVER AND I DO LIVE IN HUTTO. I'M GOING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT TONIGHT, IN MY PUBLIC SPEECH , EXCUSE ME . I DID THIS ONCE BEFORE, THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO. I AM VERY FOND OF BOB DYLAN'S WORK AND I'M GOING TO READ A COUPLE OF STANZAS FROM SOMETHING HE WROTE AND IT IS CALLED, THE TIMES THEY ARE A CHANGING. CHANGE IS PAINFUL. I KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY'S GOING THROUGH. SO, LET ME READ IT TO YOU. COME GATHER AROUND, PEOPLE, WHEREVER YOU ROAM AND ADMIT THAT THE WATERS AROUND YOU HAVE GROWN.

AND ACCEPTED THAT SOON YOU WILL BE DRENCHED TO THE BONE, IF YOUR TIME TO YOU IS WORTH SAVING, YOU BETTER START SWIMMING OR YOU WILL SINK LIKE A STONE , FOR THE TIMES , THEY ARE CHANGING AND WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED. THERE ARE GOING TO BE BIG CHANGES I BELIEVE , IN HUTTO. IN OUR CITY COUNCIL . AND THEN THE NEXT STANZA. COME WRITERS AND CRITICS WHO PROPHESIES WITH YOUR PEN AND KEEP YOUR EYES WIDE , THE CHANCE WILL NOT COME AGAIN. AND DON'T SPEAK TOO SOON, FOR THAT WHEEL IS STILL SPINNING AND THERE IS NO TELLING WHO THAT IT IS NAMING , WE KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, RIGHT? FOR THE LOSER NOW WILL BE LATER TO WIN , FOR THE TIMES ,

THEY ARE CHANGING. THANK YOU. >> NEXT WE HAVE JAMES WEAVER.

>> WELL, MINE DID NOT COME FROM BOB DYLAN . GOOD EVENING , MR. MAYOR, COUNCILMEMBERS , CITY ATTORNEY AND MY NAME IS JAMES WEAVER AND I LIVE IN HUTTO, TEXAS. THE STATEMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS I WILL MAKE THIS EVENING MAY BE CONSIDERED HARSH , HOWEVER, WITH MY TRAINING AND PROFESSIONAL WORK EXPERIENCE I WILL NOT IGNORE AN ISSUE THAT MY NEIGHBORS AND FELLOW VOTERS HAVE IDENTIFIED. OUR CITIES SHOULD SERVE THE PEOPLE, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT WAS ADDRESSED IN PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE MAY 1ST MEETING. THE PERSON EXPRESSING THOSE POINTS HAD THE DOCUMENTATION TO PROVE HIS STATEMENTS. THE ISSUE HAS SUBSEQUENTLY SHOWN UP IN VARIOUS HUTTO FACEBOOK GROUPS. MY WIFE WAS ALSO TOLD ABOUT IT THIS TUESDAY WHEN SHE DELIVERED A PLANT FROM OUR GARDEN TO ONE OF HER FRIENDS IN THE RIVERWALK NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD , THEORETICALLY, I GUESS IS OUTRAGED BY INAPPROPRIATE, PERHAPS ILLEGAL ACTIONS TAKEN BY A MEMBER OF THE HUTTO PARKS BOARD, COREY DENENA , COREY DID NOT OBTAIN PROPER PERMITS TO MAKE CLEAR-CUT TRAILS THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND REPORTEDLY THROUGH SOME PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTIES. I MUST POINT OUT I DON'T HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION TO SUPPORT THESE CHARGES BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE DOCUMENTATION DOES EXIST AND AT LEAST ONE PERSON HAS SAID THEY HAVE IT. RESIDENTS OF ALSO ALLEGED THAT COREY HAS PUBLISHED ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT THESE NEW TRAILS WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE. ANNOUNCING THAT THESE TRAILS ARE OR WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WOULD BE HIGHLY ILLEGAL , SINCE

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ASSUMING THESE CLAIMS ARE TRUE AND NOT JUST RUMORS , AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHICH ONE IT IS , THEN COREY HAS TRESPASSED AND CREATED PROPERTY DAMAGE. TO WHAT DEGREE? WHO KNOWS ABOUT AN INVESTIGATION. ANOTHER CHARGE I HEARD WAS THAT COREY HAS CLAIMED THAT HE HAD THE APPROVAL OF JEFF WHITE THE CO-PARKS DIRECTOR TO CUT TRAILS. I WAS TOLD BY OTHERS THAT JEFF DID NOT GIVE THAT APPROVAL. SO, I ALSO HEARD AND THIS ONE IS A REALLY TALL ONE , I CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS ONE FOR THE LIFE OF ME. I WAS TOLD THAT COREY WAS EVEN TRYING TO OF THE CITY BY SOME OF THIS LAND FOR THEIR PARKS AND TRAILS. I FEEL THAT IS A FAR REACH. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING OTHER THAN ONE WRITTEN STATEMENT ON THAT. DUE TO THESE WIDESPREAD ALLEGATIONS I REQUEST THE CITY INVESTIGATE THIS MATTER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTIONS TO ADDRESS ANY INAPPROPRIATE OR ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES. --

>> SIR. >> I HAVE THREE LINES LEFT AND

>> OR SOMEONE ELSE WILL PICK IT UP, I'M SURE. OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE THOMAS COOK , THEN KATHLEEN COOK.

>> KATHLEEN COOK. I WANTED TO SPEAK TONIGHT ABOUT AMBERLEY KOLAR, WHO IS UP FOR RE-ELECTION ON THE COUNCIL. AMBERLEY KOLAR HAS SPOKEN AND STAGED INTERVIEWS AND HAS REFUSED TO ATTEND PUBLIC QUESTION AND ANSWER FORMS. SHE CLAIMS HER PRIORITIES ARE BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE , INVESTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE, KEEPING TAXES LOW AND FOCUSING ON CURRENT AND FUTURE WATER DEEDS. HER ACTIONS ON THIS COUNCIL SHOW OTHERWISE. AMBER LEE IS ONE OF THE MAJORITY WITH THE EAST WILLIAMSON COUNTY MIND-SET , SHE VOTED TO KEEP CRYSTAL KINSEY ON THE COUNCIL AFTER SHE RESIGNED AND MOVED TO HOUSTON, SO THE EAST COUNTY MIND-SET WOULD NOT BE THREATENED. AFTER RANDAL CLARK MOVED TO HOUSTON AMBERLEY AGAIN VOTED TO KEEP RANDALL ON THE COUNCIL AND ONCE AGAIN KEPT THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTE. BOTH OF THESE PEOPLE WERE NO LONGER PART OF HUTTO'S INTEREST AND SIMPLY OTHER POSITIONS ON COUNCIL TO ENSURE MAJORITY VOTE FOR EAST WILLIAMSON COUNTY GROWTH AT ALL COSTS MIND-SET. AMBERLEY'S INTEREST IS IN GROWTH AND SHE IGNORES THE PROBLEM TO RAPID GROWTH AND WILL CONTINUE TO CAUSE WATER SHORTAGE , INCREASED FLOODPLAIN AREAS, INADEQUATE ROADS AND POOR INFRASTRUCTURE . IN FACT, AMBERLEY VOTED TO GIVE DEVELOPMENTS OUTSIDE OF THE HUTTO WATER AREA ARE PRECIOUS WATER , KNOWING THERE IS A SEVERE WATER SHORTAGE. THE CURRENT HUTTO RESIDENTS ARE BEARING THE EXPENSE OF GIVING WATER WITH INCREASED WATER AND WASTE RATES AND GREATER WATER RESTRICTIONS , JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO AMBERLEY JOINED THE GROWTH AT ALL COST MAJORITY AND AGREED TO GIVE EVEN ANOTHER DEVELOPER , OUTSIDE OF THE HUTTO AREA, OUR PRECIOUS WATER SUPPLY. THIS IS NOT BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. THIS IS SERVING SELF INTEREST GROUPS AND IGNORING THE HUTTO RESIDENCE NEEDS . AMBERLEY WAS THE FIFTH VOTE NEEDED TO INCREASE TAXES IN THE '23-'24 YEAR , HER INTENTION TO RAISE TAXES WAS ONLY PREVENTED LAST YEAR BECAUSE EVAN PORTERFIELD REPLACED DANIEL WILCOX AND THE FIVE VOTES REQUIRED TO RAISE TAXES ABOVE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE WERE NO LONGER THERE. HOWEVER, THE TAXPAYERS WERE STILL BURDENED IN THE 2024-20.5 TAXI BY HER PREVIOUS ACTIONS AND AMBERLEY BELIEVES IN INCREASING THE CITY'S PAYROLL AT TAXPAYERS EXPENSE. SHE VOTED TO INCREASE THE CITY STAFF 'S PAYROLL AND WISH LIST. HER FOCUS IS ON UNNECESSARY WANTS, RATHER THAN THE CITY NEEDS. OUR WATER SUPPLY, WASTEWATER HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED. THE -- MONEY SITS IN THE BANK AND AMBERLEY VOTED TO USE INTEREST ON THE BONDS TO BUY MORE BONDS. IN THE MEANTIME THE DEBT ON ALL BONDS BELONG TO THE TAXPAYERS. AMBERLEY VOTES TO INCREASE TAXPAYERS EXPENSES. SHE CLAIMED SHE IS A LEVELHEADED

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AMBERLEY SAYS , SHE BELIEVES IN TRANSPARENCY, YET WHEN THE ISSUE OF COUNCILMEMBERS FILING DISCLOSURE OF THEIR FINANCES WAS DISCUSSED , HER RAGE BECAME EVIDENT AND SHE DECLARED , I DID NOT RUN ON TRANSPARENCY, I DID NOT. AMBERLEY ONLY LOSES HER CALM DEMEANOR WHEN SHE IS EXPOSED. PERHAPS THERE IS A REASON SHE DOES NOT WANT TO DISCLOSE TOO MUCH. AMBERLEY IS EMPLOYED BY THE STATE AND CANNOT RECEIVE PAY FROM HUTTO. IN ORDER FOR AMBERLEY TO REMAIN ON COUNCIL AND MAINTAIN THE MAJORITY OF FOUR STATUS, SHE DECLINED PAY . IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO FOLLOW THAT MONEY TRAIL. WHERE DOES AMBERLEY RECEIVER INCOME? ALTHOUGH LUPO PERMITS HER TO REMAIN ON COUNCIL AT PRESENT, SHE STILL HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH THE STATE. WHAT FINANCIAL GAINS DOES SHE RECEIVE WHILE PROMOTING DEVELOPERS NEEDS OVER THE CITIZENS OF HUTTO? I BELIEVE IN TRANSPARENCY, AMBERLEY DOES NOT. HUTTO CITIZENS HAVE THE RIGHT TO SEE WHAT INTEREST AMBERLEY REALLY SERVES. AMBERLEY HAS NOT CHANGED HER PLANS TO PROMOTE THE EAST WILLIAMSON COUNTY MIND-SET . SHE WILL NOT BE TRANSPARENT. SHE WILL RAISE TAXES AND WATER RATES VARIED SHE WILL INCREASE WATER RESTRICTIONS IN ORDER TO GIVE OUR PRECIOUS WATER THE DEVELOPMENTS OUTSIDE OF THE HUTTO AREA. THIS IS THE REAL AMBERLEY KOLAR, DON'T BE FOOLED BY DECEPTIVE POLITICAL CAMPAIGN SIGNAGE, AMBERLEY'S ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN HER POLITICAL JARGON. I THINK THE VOTERS THAT CAME OUT TO SUPPORT OUR MAYOR, HOWEVER, THERE IS A RUNOFF ELECTION ON JUNE 7TH . WE NEED EVERYONE WHO VOTED IN MAY TO VOTE AGAIN FOR AARON MORRIS, STOP THE MAJORITY VOTE BLOCK SO HUTTO CITIZEN CONCERNS CAN BE ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED. WE NEED EVERYONE TO VOTE. PLEASE, MARK YOUR CALENDARS. LINES ARE SHORT AND VOTING ONLY TAKES A FEW MINUTES. REMEMBER, YOUR VOTE WILL DETERMINE YOUR FUTURE IN HUTTO. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. NEXT IS -- MAKE HUTTO BETTER. ANYBODY? OKAY, THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> SON 13.3 OR PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY, WE WILL DO THAT ON 13.3.

OKAY, YOU ALL WILL HAVE , OKAY. >> GOOD EVENING, CITY MANAGER , CITY COUNCIL . PRAYERS FOR CITY MANAGER JAMES EARP, GET WELL SOON. CONGRATULATIONS RE-ELECT MIKE SNYDER, FOR ALL OF YOU HATERS, MIKE WILL BE YOUR MAYOR FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS AND THIS GOES TO JIMMY PIERCE, TERRENCE OWENS, MIKE POWER, RANDAL CLARK AND HENRY GET IN. HENRY GET IN , YOU STAY AWAY FROM PETER. AMBERLEY, I AM PRAYING FOR YOU. ALL I WANT TO SAY IS MAKE HUTTO BETTER. THANK YOU.

[8.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, and Area Government appointments. (Part 1 of 2)]

>> THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 8.1, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENT, RE-APPOINTMENTS AND/OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TASKFORCES , ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS AND

AREA GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS. >> WE HAVE NO UPDATES AT THIS TIME. I AM GOING TO REACH OUT TO THE BOARD CHAIRS AND FOR ALL THE PEOPLE I THINK WE HAVE GOT 42 PEOPLE THAT ARE UP FOR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT , THEIR OWN RE-ELECTION OF SORTS. TO SEE IF THEY WANT TO CONTINUE SERVING AT THE END OF THEIR TERM AND GO FOR ANOTHER TERM. WE WILL BE REACHING OUT TO THOSE CHAIRS. WE DO HAVE SOME OPENINGS STILL, PLEASE APPLY. WE WILL BE CONTINUING INTERVIEWS IN THE NEXT WEEK, TWO WEEKS, CONTINUING ON UNTIL WE CAN GET BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FILLED UP. WE HAVE HAD SOME CHANGES AND SO , IF YOU HAVE NOT HEARD FROM ME YOU WILL

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[8.2. Consideration and possible action regarding recommendations or updates from City Council sub-committees (i.e. Legislative, HISD).]

>> ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR THIS ONE? OKAY ITEM 8.2, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RECOMMENDATIONS OR UPDATES FROM CITY COUNCIL

SUBCOMMITTEES. >> NO UPDATES FROM THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE CREATED THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE . MADE UP OF MYSELF, MAYOR GORDON AND COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON, WE KIND OF DID , WE DID SOME WORK IN THE BEGINNING AND WE KIND OF WORKED BEHIND THE SCENES AS NEEDED. WE FLAGGED SOME THINGS.

COUNCILMEMBER CLARK DID BRING UP SOME LEGISLATION THAT COULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT HUTTO AND AMONGST THE THREE OF US WE DID DISCUSS THAT. WE CHOSE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A COUNCIL, I GUESS POSITION ON IT . HOWEVER, THE CITY DID WRITE A LETTER AND HAVE A POSITION ON IT. IT WAS SIGNED BY THE MAYOR AND EVERYBODY'S NAME ON IT AS WELL. NEXT TIME WE DO THIS OR AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WE NEED TO GET BETTER FOR THE ORGANIZATION, THE SUBCOMMITTEE WAS CREATED SO THE CITY STAFF DID NOT SPEND TIME OR RESOURCES ON LEGISLATION AND SO I JUST WANT , I THINK THIS IS A GOOD START FOR HUTTO IN UNDERSTANDING AND BEING MORE INVOLVED WITH WHAT IS GOING ON BUT WE DEFINITELY HAVE ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. WE NEED TO WORK OUT SOME KINKS WITH SOME THINGS IN THE FUTURE AS WELL. IF COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON OR MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON HAVE ANYTHING?

>> NOTHING ELSE FOR ME . >> THANK YOU , ANY OTHER

[9.1. Conduct oath of office for Mayor. (Judge Wilson)]

>> COUNCILMEMBERS, CITIZEN, I AM LUCAS WILSON THE PROVIDING JUDGE FOR THE CITY AND IT IS MY HONOR TO BE HERE TO SWEAR IN THE MAYOR. YOU WANT ANYBODY STANDING BESIDE YOU? COME ON UP. THIS IS A FAMILY THING. WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO HOLD THE BIBLE FOR THEM? AND PUT YOUR LEFT HAND ON THE BIBLE. TURNAROUND THIS WAY. TO THE OTHER SIDE. I MEAN THE LEFT SIDE. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT.

RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME. I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES. OF THE OFFICE OF

MAYOR FOR THE CITY OF HATO. >> FOR THE OFFICE OF MAYOR FOR

THE CITY OF HUTTO. >> OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.

>> OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. >> AND WILL TO THE BEST OF MY

ABILITY. >> PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND.

>> THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS. >> THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS.

>> OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE STATE.

>> OF THE UNITED STATES IN THIS STATE.

>> SO HELP ME GOD. >> SO HELP ME GOD.

>> CONGRATULATIONS. SIGN RIGHT THERE. ALL RIGHT, YOU ARE

OFFICIAL. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> A PHOTO ALTOGETHER, PLEASE.

[9.2. Police Department Quarterly Update Presentation (Chief Jeffrey Yarbrough)]

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>> NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 9.2. POLICE DEPARTMENT QUARTERLY UPDATE .

OUR FAVORITE , CHIEF YARBROUGH . >> MAYOR SNYDER, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, MR. EARP , JEFF YARBOROUGH AND I COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT TO PROVIDE THE QUARTERLY UPDATE FOR THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2025 ON WHAT IS GOING ON IN HUTTO POLICE DEPARTMENT. SEVERAL THINGS I WILL COVER TONIGHT , INCLUDING STAFFING, DEPARTMENT STATS , OUR FLOCK CAMERAS, TO SPEAK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE REAPING THE BENEFITS ON WITH THAT AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE HUTTO POLICE DEPARTMENT.

CURRENTLY WE HAVE AN AUTHORIZED STAFF OF 51 OFFICERS FOR THE HUTTO POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO VACANCIES. IF YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST LIST YOU WILL SEE THE BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS, WE HAVE TWO. WE ARE ANTICIPATING FILLING THOSE POSITIONS WITH AN OFFICER WHO WE ARE ABOUT TO MAKE A JOB OFFER FROM THE DALLAS AREA AND ANOTHER PERSON WHO IS A STATE TROOPER FROM ANOTHER STATE WHO WE BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT PERSON TO FINISH OUT OF THAT AND WE WILL BE FULLY STAFFED. WE HAVE THREE IN TRAINING AND ONCE THEY COME UP THEY WILL BE SERVING IN THEIR INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY ON THE STREETS. WE HAVE A NEW OFFICER THAT HAD , HAS TAKEN THE POSITION OF THE ANIMAL CONTROL POSITION AND NOW WAYNE, HE IS A SUPERHERO OUT ON THE STREETS OF WHAT HE DOES WITH ANIMAL CONTROL, HE HAS HELPED AND HE'S IN FIELD TRAINING. OUR NEW OFFICERS ARE JOEL PATTERSON , WHO CAME FROM ROUND ROCK POLICE DEPARTMENT. JAKE APOLLO CAME FROM KELLER POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CHRIS RUBIO WHO CAME FROM THE -- AREA. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT CRIME STATS QUICKLY. THIS TIME LAST YEAR BURGLARIES OF MOTOR VEHICLES WERE OFF THE CHAIN IN HUTTO AS WELL AS OTHER PLACES. THIS TIME , THIS YEAR, THERE OFF THE CHAIN IN OTHER PLACES AND NOT HUTTO. IF YOU LOOK WE HAVE GONE FROM 29 FROM JANUARY TO MARCH 2024 , TO 10 HERE. SOME OF THE REASONS WHY.

INCLUDE, OUR CITY , OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS , I WILL TELL YOU WHAT. I TOLD SOMEONE THE OTHER DAY, ONE THING I LOVE ABOUT HUTTO IS IT IS LIKE SNITCH-VAIL, TEXAS, IF SOMETHING IS GOING ON, THE CITIZENS WILL CALL THE POLICE AND THAT IS WHY YOU SEE THOSE NUMBERS HAVE GONE DOWN SO DRAMATICALLY BECAUSE WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS THEY CALL US AND IN ADDITION OF OUR OFFICERS GET THERE IF SOMEBODY RUNS, I GO LIKE I ALWAYS SAY , I MAKE SURE THEY GO TO JAIL TIRED, IF IT IS ON FOOT WILL CHASE YOU ON FOOT IF IT IS IN A CAR WE WILL CHASE YOU IN A CAR, SO YOU ARE DISCOURAGED FROM DOING THAT IN A HUTTO. THE MESSAGE GETS OUT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THESE GROUPS, LIKE THE KIA BOYS , THEY GO AROUND AND BREAK INTO VEHICLES. IT IS ALL ABOUT RISK VERSUS REWARD IT IF THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN GET A GREAT REWARD WITH MINIMAL RISK, MEANING THAT POLICE WON'T RESPOND OR POLICE WILL NOT BE AGGRESSIVE IN THEIR EFFORTS TO MITIGATE IT, THEN THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT THEY DO IN THE COMMUNITY. WHEN THEIR BUDDIES AND PALS ARE GETTING CAUGHT IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY ARE COMMUNICATING ABOUT THAT AND WE KNOW THAT OVER SOCIAL MEDIA AND SOME OF THE CHAT GROUPS THEY COMMUNICATE IN, HUTTO IS A PLACE THEY HAVE DECIDED TO STEER CLEAR OF. NOW, I SAID THAT. I CREATED THE SLIDE, WHAT I'M ABOUT TO TELL YOU HAD NOT OCCURRED YET. SO, OVER THE WEEKEND WE HAD SEVERAL VEHICLES THAT WERE BROKEN INTO IN HUTTO. BUT WE HAD A CITIZEN CALL ABOUT TWO PEOPLE GOING THROUGH A CAR ACROSS THE STREET AND HER OFFICERS COUPLES PEOPLE AND THEY WERE CONNECTED TO THE OTHER VEHICLES THAT WERE BURGLARIZED, THAT INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING BUT THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DO THAT IN HUTTO. THOSE THAT DID IT, WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND WE ARE TAKING CARE OF IT AS FAR AS INVESTIGATION IS CONCERNED.

BURGLARIES OF A BUILDING. WE LOOK AT WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR THIS TIME AND WHERE WE ARE NOW, YOU SEE A DRAMATIC DECLINE, AS WELL AS BURGLARIES OF HABITATION . YOU SEE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS GOING UP, ONE THING THAT I TELL PEOPLE, A LOT OF OUR ACCIDENTS IN THE CITY ARE LESS THAN 35 MILES PER HOUR BECAUSE IT IS HARD TO GET PAST THAT SPEED IN THE CITY, BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC. IT IS HARD. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE, WE ARE HAVING MORE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE

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OUR TRAFFIC STOPS HAVE INCREASED. LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF INCREASED TRAFFIC STOPS VERSUS NUMBER OF CITATION ISSUES. I FOR PEOPLE SAY THAT HUTTO LIKES TO WRITE TICKETS TO MAKE MONEY.

LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC STOPS HE MADE AND THE NUMBER OF CITATIONS ISSUES. THE TRAFFIC STOPS WENT UP IN THE CITATIONS WENT DOWN. OUR GOAL IS VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE. WE DON'T MAKE MONEY OFF OF THAT. OUR GOAL IS TO GET PEOPLE TO COMPLY AND KNOW WE ARE THERE TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE IF THEY WANT. IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS , THOSE ARE HIGHLIGHTED NUMBERS TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE ARE TRAINING IN SOME AREAS OF THE CITY. THE CITY COUNCIL GAVE US THE EXTREMELY NEEDED SUPPORT OF A VICTIM SERVICES, TWO VICTIM SERVICES STAFF MEMBERS AND CRISIS SUPPORT SPECIALISTS AND THESE NUMBERS TELL YOU THE AMOUNT OF WORK AND CASES THAT HAVE BEEN REFERRED TO THEM FROM THE START OF THIS YEAR. YOU'VE GOT TWO PEOPLE DOING THOSE CASES. IT IS NOT LIKE YOU GET A CASE AND TO SPEND A DAY ON THOSE CASES, THEY ARE PROVIDING ONGOING SUPPORT, WRAPAROUND SERVICES TO FAMILIES. THE CASELOAD IS INTENSIVE BUT IT IS REWARDING BECAUSE THEY ARE ABLE TO HELP PEOPLE AT THE MOST CRITICAL POINTS IN THEIR LIVES.

TRAINING. I FOR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAINING.

HERE'S WHERE WE ARE TO DATE. THE TOTAL TRAINING FOR OFFICERS IS OVER 2400 TRAINING HOURS COMBINED. AND ALL OF OUR PATROL DIVISION HAS PARTICIPATED AND COMPLETED THE MOST RECENT DEFENSIVE TACTICS TRAINING, A REGULAR TRAINING WE DO. WE ARE ALSO ON TRACK TO HAVING ALL OF OUR PATROL COMPLETE THE MENTAL HEALTH OFFICER TRAINING BY THE END OF THIS YEAR AND THAT IS A FORCE MULTIPLIER BECAUSE OUR GOAL WITHOUT IS MAKING SURE THAT WHEN OUR OFFICERS GO OUT ON A SCENE OR THEY GO OUT AND MINNICK TRAFFIC STOPS OR SOMEONE IS IN MENTAL CRISIS, WE DON'T WANT THEM TO MISTAKE THAT AS CRIMINALITY AND THEN SOMEONE WHO NEEDS HELP ENDS UP HURT. IT GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THE INDICATORS TO LOOK FOR IN CASE A PERSON IS IN CRISIS, SO WE KNOW HOW TO APPROACH IT EFFECTIVELY. OUR DEPARTMENT IS SAID TO HAVE ALL OF OUR STATE-MANDATED TRAINING COMPLETED BY AUGUST 31ST OF THIS YEAR. I WANTED TO BRING UP RESPONSE TIME BECAUSE I HEARD PEOPLE ASK WHY DOES IT TAKE SO LONG FOR OFFICERS TO GET THE CALL SOMETIMES. PRIORITY ONE CALLS ARE OUR MOST MAJOR CALLS. THAT IS IF YOU HAVE GOT ACTIVE SHOOTERS, A MAJOR COLLISION, THOSE ARE PRIORITY ONE CALLS AND RIGHT NOW WE AVERAGE 4:07 , WE CONSIDER ALL OF OUR CALLS FROM PRIORITY ONE TO PRIORITY FOUR, IT IS ABOUT SIX MINUTES . WE ARE WORKING ON SOLUTIONS TO BRING THOSE NUMBERS, THEY ARE HIGHER THAN WE WANT, ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN IN A FIGHT , THREE MINUTES IS A LONG TIME, YOU KNOW? SOMETIMES YOU FIND OFFICERS SAY, LET'S GET THERE IN 3:05 BECAUSE BY THE TIME WE GET THERE EVERYONE IS TIRED AND WILL NOT BE FIGHTING. WE KNOW TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE AND OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COME UP WITH THE BEST SOLUTIONS AND STRATEGIES TO MAKE SURE WE GET THERE AS QUICK AS WE CAN'T PROVIDE THE RELIEF THAT PEOPLE NEED IN CRISIS SITUATIONS . OUR FLOCK CAMERAS, THE SOMETHING COUNCIL WAS ABLE TO RECOGNIZE A NEED FOR AND PROVIDED FOR US.

CURRENTLY WE HAVE FOUR OF THE 10 FLOCK CAMERAS INSTALLED AND WE ARE WORKING THROUGH TXDOT AND SOME THINGS THEY ARE DOING WITH DPS TO FINALIZE AGREEMENTS, SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME OF THOSE CAMERAS PUT IN THE TXDOT RIGHT OF WAYS BUT WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH FLOCK, WITH OTHER ALTERNATIVES AND MAYBE BRINGING IT TO THE COUNCIL IN THE NEAR FUTURE, SO WE CAN HAVE THOSE CAMERAS PLACED IN OTHER AREAS AROUND THE CITY. SO FAR SINCE HAVING THE FLOCK CAMERAS UP WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE MULTIPLE ARRESTS, WE HAD A STOLEN VEHICLE FOR OFFICERS SIDE, THE VEHICLE TOOK OFF, OFFICERS PURSUED IT , THE VEHICLE CRASHED OUT AND HE TOOK THE PERSON IN CUSTODY. ENOUGH THEFTS FROM LOCAL BUSINESSES. THEY HAVE THOSE CAMERAS AND WE HAVE ACCESS AND ANYTIME THERE IS INFORMATION HIT ON THAT WE GET THE NOTIFICATIONS. OUR OFFICERS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS MANY CHEFS AT LOWE'S BECAUSE OF THIS. WE HAVE ARRESTED PEOPLE WITH ACTIVE WARRANTS. WE HAD ONE YESTERDAY WITH INDECENCY WITH A CHILD, WE LOCATED AN AGGRAVATED ASSAULT SUSPECTS THROUGH FLOCK, HAS BEEN AN ADDED VALUE FOR HUTTO WHEN IT COMES TO THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR THIS SOLUTION. SOME OF THE THINGS HAPPENING IN HUTTO. WE CREATED PEER SUPPORT. THE UNIT. WE HAVE GOT EIGHT OFFICERS IN OUR DEPARTMENT WHO PROVIDE SUPPORT TO OFFICERS WHO

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THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED BECAUSE OFFICERS ARE DEALING WITH THINGS ON THESE STREETS THAT PEOPLE SIMPLY DON'T KNOW.

AND YOU NEED A PLACE TO UNPACK , INSTEAD OF BOTTLING IT UP. THERE WAS A TIME WHEN I STARTED , IF YOU WENT OUT ON A MAJOR CRIME, ONCE THE CRIME IS OVER YOUR SERGEANT SAID, MEET ME DOWN AT -- AND I WILL BUY YOU A DRINK. THAT WAS THE BEST YOU GOT BUT TIMES OF CHANGE IN OFFICER TAKING ADVANTAGE OF SUPPORT. WE HAVE A COMMUNITY OFFICER RESOURCE FIELD POSITION AND DIANA LEWIS AS OUR NEW COMMUNITY RESOURCE OFFICER AND SHE HAS ALREADY HIT THE GROUND RUNNING WORKING AND CONNECTING WITH BUSINESSES, WORKING TO CONNECT WITH ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY TO MAXIMIZE THAT EFFORT AND THAT INITIATIVE. OUR SECOND CRISIS SUPPORT SERVICE SPECIALIST AND VICTIMS ADVOCATE NOW FINISH THEIR FIELD TRAINING. RECEIVED THE -- BOX WAS DELIVERED AND IT IS SET UP TO HER CRISIS SUPPORT SPECIALISTS HAVE SPACE TO WORK OUT OF. LAST MONTH CHIEF JONES AND LIEUTENANT MITCHELL WERE AT THE STAKE CONFERENCE FOR THE TEXAS POLICE CHIEF ASSOCIATION IN CORPUS CHRISTI TO FORMALLY RECEIVE OUR TEXAS POLICE CHIEF ACCREDITATION FROM THAT ORGANIZATION.

LIEUTENANT MITCHELL DID AN AMAZING JOB SETTING THIS UP. IT WAS NOT A LIGHT LOAD BUT IN ADDITION TO ALL OF HIS DUTIES HE TOOK ON THIS RESPONSIBILITY AND WE BECAME THE 216TH AGENCY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS OUT OF OVER 227 AGENCIES TO BECOME ACCREDITED. THE LAST THING I HAVE IS A VIDEO. I KNOW I'VE BROUGHT VIDEOS BEFORE. ONE WAS A DRAMATIC DRONE FOOTAGE, TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE TOOLS WE HAVE. ANOTHER WAS A DRAMATIC PURSUIT VIDEO THAT I BROUGHT AND TODAY I WANT TO SHOW YOU A VIDEO OF WHAT A ROUTINE DAY IN THE LIFE OF A HUTTO POLICE OFFICER IS. AND I WILL POINT OUT SOME THINGS AFTER THIS BUT WHEN I STARTED, I WANT YOU TO WATCH SOMETHING AND LOOKOUT FOR SOMETHING EARLY. YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR SOME HORNS, SOME VEHICLE HORNS AND I WILL TELL YOU THE RELEVANCE OF THAT AND WHY THIS IS SO IMPORTANT TO WHAT WE ARE DOING IN THIS COMMUNITY AND FOR NATIONAL POLICE WEEK. THIS IS JUST A ROUTINE TRAFFIC DUTY WHERE WE HAD AN ACCIDENT AND THE OFFICERS WERE DIRECTING TRAFFIC UNTIL THEY CAN GET THE SCENE CLEARED. IS THERE VOLUME? OKAY. THERE ARE

THE HORNS. >> I NEED EMS, I HAVE A TOYOTA CAMRY THAT JUST RAN INTO THE BACK OF MY VEHICLE.

>> HEY, MAN, ARE YOU ALL RIGHT? WHAT IS GOING ON, MAN?

>>

>>

THE DOOR? >> NO, I CANNOT.

>> ARE YOU INJURED AT ALL? >> OH, MY, AND I INJURED? WHO AM

I? M.I.A. GUY? OH, MY GOD . >> OKAY, TAKE A SEAT. SIT ON OVER HERE . DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE AT?

>> YES, I'M IN HUTTO BUT IT IS LIKE SO BLURRY. EVERYTHING.

>> I NEED A SUPERVISOR. >> NO. NO.

>> HEY. HEY! GET HIM! ARE YOU ALL RIGHT? ARE YOU INJURED?

>> YES, JUST MY HAND. WE HAVE HIM DETAINED.

>> OH, GOD. >> JUST A SECOND, DO NOT GET UP.

>> OKAY, I AM AWAKE. >> SOME VERY IMPORTANT THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT. I MENTIONED THE HORNS IN THE BEGINNING. OUR OFFICER WAS STANDING THERE DIRECTING TRAFFIC AND THE HEIGHT OF THIS VEHICLE WENT AROUND THE LINE OF VEHICLES AND THE CITIZENS IN THEIR VEHICLES HONKED, THEY LAID ON THEIR HORNS TO LET OUR OFFICER KNOW. THEY WERE LOOKING OUT FOR THE OFFICER AS HE DID NOT SEE THE VEHICLE AND AS HE TURNED THIS VEHICLE WAS LITERALLY INCHES FROM STRIKING OUR OFFICER. THE VEHICLE HIT THE PATROL VEHICLE AND THE FIRST THING THE OFFICER DID WAS CALL FOR EMS. HERE IS THE THING I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND. LAW-ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS RESPOND TO THE LEVEL OF TRAINING THEY HAVE. IN A STRESSFUL SITUATION LIKE THIS,

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>> THANKS, CHIEF. ON THAT NOTE , WHEN MY KIDS FOR STARTED DRIVING, NOT REALLY MY DAUGHTER BECAUSE SHE WAS NOT THE CRAZY ONE BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I TOLD MY SON IS THAT WHEN YOU GET PULLED OVER, LIKE THESE GUYS DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING, THEY COME UP THERE, IF YOU GET MOUTHY WITH THEM OR YOU JUMP OUT OF THE CAR AND START ARGUING WITH THEM , THERE WILL BE REPERCUSSIONS BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE TRAINED TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, RESPOND TO THINGS. THAT IS WHAT I LEARNED IN RIDE ALONG'S, YOU GUYS WALK UP AND I'VE SEEN OFFICERS TOUCH THE BACK OF A CAR AND I ASKED WHAT THAT IS FOR , BECAUSE IF I GET SHOT AND KILLED RIGHT HERE, MAYBE MY FINGERPRINT WILL BE THERE TO TRACK THE PERSON DOWN. I THINK A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT ANYTIME YOU STOP SOMEBODY YOU DON'T KNOW THAT IS WHY WE HAVE DEATHS A LOT OF TIMES, EVEN OF THE PERSON JUST COMMITTED A TRIPLE HOMICIDE, JUST ROBBED A BANK AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY DON'T KNOW THEY ARE GETTING STOPPED BECAUSE OF SPEEDING , THEY THINK THEY ARE GETTING STOPPED BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING CAUGHT AND THEY'RE NOT GOING BACK TO PRISON. I WOULD TELL THE PUBLIC THE SAME THING I TOLD MY SON, TREAT THE OFFICERS WITH RESPECT AND YOU SHOULD GET THE SAME RESPECT BACK. IF YOU START OFF ON THE WRONG FOOT AND THE OFFICERS DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'VE DONE BECAUSE THEY'VE NOT GONE ANYWHERE. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE A SPLIT SECOND TO MAKE DECISIONS AND SAVE LIVES. I KNOW IT IS NOT EASY TO DO ALL THAT. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE

DOING. >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE LEVELS YOU ARE DOING, YOU EVEN GO ABOVE AND BEYOND. IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH SOMEBODY WANTED TO SEE THING GO 0 TO 16 ABOUT 4.1 SECONDS AND YOU CAN HEAR THEM, AND DOING IT ON A SMALL STREET AND DURING WHEN CHILDREN WALK TO SCHOOL WHICH COULD BE A SEVERE TRAGEDY AND WE HAD NEIGHBORS YELLING AT THE PERSON HAWKING THEIR OWN HORNS IN THE DRIVEWAYS BUT THE HOA BOARD RECHECKED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND I CAN SAY WHAT THEY DID FOR MITIGATION BUT I THINK THEY HANDLED THE SITUATION AND THE BEHAVIOR HAS STOPPED. IT COULD'VE BEEN A TRAGIC THING AND IT DIDN'T EVEN REQUIRE AN INTERVENTION OF OTHER STUFF AND I APPRECIATE CITIZENS REACHING OUT BECAUSE THEY WILL COME UP FOR SITUATION TO MAKE IT WORK TO

MAINTAIN A SAFETY. >> TO YOUR POINT, I WANT TO THANK CHIEF JONES FOR INTERVENING AND MAKING SURE HE TOOK CARE OF THAT ISSUE BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR. IF WE DON'T KNOW, IT IS DIFFICULT MOSTLY RUN UP ON SOMETHING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS IMPACTING OUR COMMUNITY. LET US KNOW, WE ARE

ALL A FAMILY. >> THANK YOU, CHIEF OF THE REPORT AND I GUESS, CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT THE CRISIS SUPPORT SPECIALIST AND THE -- BOX AND WHAT IS GOING ON WITH FACILITIES AND THE NEED FOR THAT AND THE USAGE.

>> IT IS INTERESTING, I THOUGHT TODAY THAT WE ARE THE 13 FASTEST GROWING CITY IN THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW AND WITH THE GROWTH COMES GROWING PAINS AND WE ARE STRUGGLING TO ADJUST AND FIND

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FUNCTION PROPERLY. >> THANK YOU.

>> CHIEF I JUST WANT TO SAY , YOU FIRE ME UP WHEN YOU GET A PEER, I LOVE YOUR PASSION AND IT SHOWS IN YOUR LEADERSHIP. I DON'T WANT TO ADMIT TOO MUCH BUT I ENCOUNTER POLICE OFFICERS TOO MUCH IN HUTTO AND THEY'RE ALWAYS KIND AND RESPECTFUL AND I TRY TO BE THAT WAY AS WELL. BUT YOU GET ME FIRED UP AND THE VIDEOS HELP. AND I WANT TO SAY THAT I DO APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR TEAM, YOUR CREATIVITY , LIKE YOU JUST SAID WITH USING THE SPACE THAT YOU HAVE. I KNOW YOU GUYS WANT A NEW PLACE TO LIVE BUT FOR NOW YOU'RE MAKING DO WITH WHAT YOU GOT AND MAKING IT WORK REALLY WELL. THAT IS A CREDIT TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM TO BE EFFECTIVE AND WORK WITH WHAT YOU HAVE. I APPRECIATE THAT,

SIR. >> YES, SIR, I APPRECIATE YOU.

>> THANK YOU, CHIEF. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

[9.3. Presentation on proposed Texas House Bill 19 relating to the issuance and repayment of debt, and the use of ad valorem tax revenue for the repayment of debt and how it could affect City of Hutto (Alberta Barrett)]

>> NEXUS ITEM 9.3. PRESENTATION ON PROPOSED TEXAS HOUSE BILL 19, LEADING TO THE ISSUANCE AND REPAYMENT OF DEBT AND THE USE OF AD VALOREM TAX REVENUE FOR THE REPAYMENT OF DEBT AND HOW IT CAN

AFFECT THE CITY OF HUTTO. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

ALBERTA BARRETT, FINANCE DIRECTOR FOR THE RECORD. THIS EVENING WE HAVE BART FOWLER WITH PARKHURST AND HORTON TO GO OVER THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATES AFFECTING OUR AD VALOREM TAXES AND ISSUING DEBT AND SO FORTH. BART?

>> THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, GOOD TO BE HERE, I AM BART FOWLER WITH -- PAR COURSE AND HORTON. TYPICALLY I'M HERE AND THERE IS A BOND SALE GOING ON OR -- BUT IN THIS CAPACITY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LEGISLATIVE POSSIBILITIES AND CHANGES THAT COULD BE HAPPENING. STARTING WITH HOUSE BILL 19, IT HAS NOW DIED AT THE LEGISLATOR AND THE PROVISIONS ARE STILL VERY MUCH ALIVE. SOME LEGISLATORS ARE LOOKING TO -- CERTAIN PROVISIONS TO OTHER BILLS OR OTHER HOUSE BILLS. THE PROVISIONS ARE STILL RELEVANT BUT UNDERSTAND THE NUMBER 19 IS PROBABLY NO LONGER SIGNIFICANT AS OF THIS PAST MONDAY. I THINK I HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, SOME SLIDES, IS THAT FOR ME TO DO? OKAY. LET'S SEE. THANK YOU. JUST A GENERAL OVERVIEW TO BEGIN WITH. OFTENTIMES IN TEXAS LEGISLATOR IT IS FOCUSED ON DEBT AND TAXES AND THEY WANT TO PROVIDE TAX RELEASE TO CITIZENS, ALWAYS A GOAL. IN RECENT SESSIONS, PARTICULARLY THE SESSION THEY HAVE FOCUSED ON SOME MAJOR REFORM TO DEBT AND HOW THAT CAN BE ISSUED AND WHAT CAN BE USED FOR, VOTED AND NON-VOTED THAT WILL BE AFFECTED AFTER THE SESSION. IN WHAT WAY WE ARE NOT CERTAIN. IF YOU THINK SEVEN CENTS THE GOVERNMENT FOR A SIGNATURE ALREADY AND A LOT OF STILL UNDER CONSIDERATION AND THERE ARE STILL TWO OR THREE WEEKS LEFT IN SESSION. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. WHATEVER I SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT TONIGHT, HAVE OTHER LAW PARTNERS GIVING MORE PRESENTATIONS AROUND THE STATE AND IT COULD CHANGE IN ANY MINUTE. EVEN TONIGHT. ANYTHING WE TALK ABOUT NOW TOMORROW MORNING IT COULD BE DIFFERENT BUT WE ARE GIVING THE BEST INFORMATION WE HAVE AS OF RIGHT NOW. POSSIBILITIES, THE FIRST AND HAS BEEN SENT TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER BOND ELECTION ON THE BALLOT ITSELF IS NOT A STATEMENT THAT SAYS THIS IS A TAX INCREASE IN BOLD, CAPITAL LETTERS. SOMETHING SCHOOLS HAVE DONE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND IS NOW ADDED TO CITIES AND COUNTIES. IT HAS SOME CONTROVERSY BEHIND IT ALTHOUGH I THINK IT IS A BIT OVERBLOWN. THERE IS SOME THOUGHT THAT IF YOU ARE BUILDING A BOND AND SIZING IT CANNOT INCREASE TAX RATE THAT IT IS NOT TECHNICALLY A TAX INCREASE BUT THE BOND HAS TO BE REPAID. THE FACT THAT YOU ARE ISSUING DEBT OF ANY KIND PAID BACK FROM TAXES DOES REQUIRE A TAX LEVY THAT WILL BE HIGHER THAN WHAT YOU WOULD'VE DONE WITHOUT THE BOND. THAT IS WHY LEGISLATOR WANT YOU TO HAVE THIS ON THERE. I DO BELIEVE THE GOVERNOR HAS SIGNED

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WE DO EXPECT THAT NOVEMBER WILL BE YOUR ONLY UNIFORM ELECTION DATE TO HAVE A BOND ELECTION. YOU WON'T HAVE THE MAY DATE ANY LONGER. WE WILL MONITOR THAT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS BUT THEY ARE PUSHING MORE IN THE DIRECTION OF VOTING INSTEAD OF ISSUING A TAX NOTE AND ELIMINATING ONE OF HER UNIFORM ELECTION DAYS TO GO TO YOUR VOTERS FOR THE PROPOSAL , LIKELY JUST NOVEMBER. WE WILL KNOW IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS IF IT BECOMES LAW THAT WE EXPECTED TO OCCUR AS WELL. THE DISCLOSURE YOU GIVE YOUR VOTERS. THERE HAS BEEN ROBUST DISCLOSURES REQUIRED THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS. THEY ARE LOOKING AT ADDING ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS TO GIVE OUT TO VOTERS TO EDUCATE THEM ON THE BOND ELECTION. MUCH OF THAT IS THE TYPE OF THING CITIES DO ANYWAY. IT IS NOW IN A FORMAL DOCUMENT, A FORMAL PROCESS THAT THE LEGISLATOR IS MANDATING. A LOT OF IT APPLIES TO SCHOOLS CURRENTLY BUT WE EXPECTED TO TRICKLE DOWN TO CITIES AND COUNTIES OR UP TO CITIES AND COUNTIES AND THE TYPICAL EDUCATION PROCESS SHOULD GO TO YOUR VOTERS AND SAY THIS IS WHAT THE PLAN IS HERE IS HOW THE MONEY WILL BE SPENT IN THE FINANCIAL IMPACT. THAT IS THE TYPE OF INFORMATION THEY WANT DISCLOSED BUT IT IS A MORE FORMAL PROCESS. THIS NEXT ITEM IS SOMETHING I HAVE NOT SEEN OFTEN BUT THERE ARE SOME BALLOT PROPOSITIONS THAT HAVE SPECIFIC PERCENTAGES AND DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR VERY SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

TYPICALLY YOU WOULD GO OUT FOR A BOND ELECTION FOR SOMETHING LIKE STREETS , MAYBE FOR A LUMP-SUM DOLLAR AMOUNT, TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU ARE MORE FOCUSED AND HAVE MORE DETAILS IN THE PROPOSITION FOR VOTERS, PERCENTAGE , YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO STICK TO THAT. IN MY OPINION IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO THE LAW. IF YOU GO TO VOTERS IS SOMETHING SPECIFIC YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW IT BUT NOW THEY PUT THAT IN THE STATUTES WHERE YOU HAVE TO DO THAT, YOU WILL BE MANDATED TO FOLLOW THE PERCENTAGES IF YOU GO THE ROUTE OF BEING THAT SPECIFIC AND THAT YOU WANT ISSUE. MOST PEOPLE DON'T GET THAT SPECIFIC. BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD LOOK FOR IN THE FUTURE. THE LAST POINT, I SUSPECT THEY WILL BE SOME SORT OF PROHIBITION AFTER THE FAILED ONE. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE LAST UNIFORM ELECTION DATE IF ONE FAILS IN NOVEMBER YOU CAN IMMEDIATELY GO BACK TO ME WITH SOMETHING. THEY ARE LOOKING AT STRETCHING THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT. WHEN VOTERS SAY NO ONCE YOU GIVE A PERIOD OF TIME TO ABSORB WHAT THEY VOTED AGAINST AND YOU CAN GO BACK WITH ANOTHER ELECTION SOMETIME AFTER THAT WHETHER IT IS THREE YEARS, FIVE YEARS OR SOME PERIOD OF TIME. WE ARE LOOKING TO SEE IF IT GETS THROUGH, IT IS BEING CONSIDERED. AS IT RELATES TO NON-VOTED DEBT, ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT GETS A LOT OF ATTENTION BECAUSE YOU WANT YOUR CITIZENS TO HAVE SOME INPUT ON WHAT IS BEING DONE BUT THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE -- OBLIGATION THAT DOES NOT GO TO VOTERS. CURRENTLY THE WAY THE VOTERS CAN HAVE IMPACT ON WHETHER YOU ISSUE THAT IS THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET A PETITION AGAINST ISSUING A SEAL IF THEY GET 5% OF REGISTERED VOTERS OR QUALIFIED VOTERS TO REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE AN ELECTION FOR THE CO. ONCE YOU RECEIVE A VALID PETITION YOU ARE PROHIBITED FROM ISSUING THE CERTIFICATE UNTIL YOU HAVE AN ELECTION ON IT. YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE AN ELECTION YOU CAN ISSUE THE DEBT UNTIL THE VOTERS APPROVE IT. THEY ARE LOOKING TO DROP THAT THRESHOLD FROM 5% OF QUALIFIED VOTERS TO 2% OF REGISTERED VOTERS WHICH IS A DIFFERENT CALCULATION BUT A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE FROM 5% TO 2% AND IT WOULD TRIGGER THE ELECTION REQUIREMENT MUCH MORE EASILY IF YOUR VOTERS DECIDED THEY WANTED TO PETITION AGAINST ISSUING ACO. THERE IS SOME LANGUAGE THAT WAS IN HOSPITAL 19 UMEA PHONE OFF IN SOME PROPOSALS BEING CONSIDERED. WHETHER IT IS A SENATE BILL TO BE ATTACHED TO BUT IT WOULD RESTRICT CEOS TO ONLY EMERGENCY PURPOSES, YOU CANNOT DO IT FOR ONE WASTEWATER PROJECTS ARE CONTROVERSIAL STREETS, SOLELY FOR EMERGENCY PROJECTS. A NATURAL DISASTER OF SOME SORT COMES THROUGH AND YOU JUST HAVE TO REBUILD SOMETHING QUICKER THAN INSURANCE WOULD ALLOW. YOU CAN ISSUE A SEAL FOR THAT. I BELIEVE THEY HAVE REMOVED THAT IN PROVIDING ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY BUT THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED AND THE NEXT POINT, THEY ARE LOOKING TO ALLOW CEOS FOR STREET UTILITY PROJECTS THAT MAY BE FUNDED WITH TAX MONEY , TAX BACK TO THE PAID FOR OUT OF REVENUES AND LOOKING TO ALLOW SOME OF THAT. THE INITIAL DRAFT OF HOSPITAL 19 WOULD PROHIBIT A SEAL FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, THINGS LIKE POLICE FIRE THAT HAS BEEN ADDED BACK IN THE COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE IN HOSPITAL 19 AND WE THINK THAT WILL GET CARRIED FORWARD IF ATTACHED TO A SENATE BILL. WE EXPECT POLICE AND FIRE STILL BE AN OPTION FOR SCO ISSUANCE. PARKS AND LIBRARIES WILL LIKELY FALL OFF IF THIS GOES THROUGH AND OTHER

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THERE HAS BEEN PROPOSALS BUT NOT A LOT OF TRACTION WE ARE MONITORING TO SEE WHAT COMES OF IT. THE NEXT POINT, THERE COULD BE A PROHIBITION AGAINST ISSUING ACO FIVE YEARS AFTER FAILED BOND ELECTION ALMOST PROJECTS. THE CURRENT IS THREE YEARS BUT HAVE A BOND ELECTION THAT FAILS , YOU CANNOT ISSUE A CO FOR THREE YEARS. IT IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE BUT THE SAME TIME IT IS STRETCHING OUT WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS. JUST GOING FROM 3 TO 5 YEARS. ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WAS AN OVERSIGHT IS THE ORIGINAL LEGISLATION , PROPOSED IT REQUIRES THAT CO ARE PAID OUT OF MAINTENANCE TAX AND NOT INS TAX AND THERE ARE PROJECTS YOU CAN DO WITH A CO AND MUST BE PAID OUT OF THE -- TAX CURRENTLY BUT YOU ESSENTIALLY DON'T DO THOSE, MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO FUND THOSE OUT OF MAINTENANCE OPERATION TAXES. THE LAST POINT UNDER THE CO HEADING HERE WOULD ESSENTIALLY PROHIBIT CO FOR BEING ISSUED AT ALL EVEN FOR POLICE, FIRE, STREETS, WATERWAYS, YOU COULD NOT DO IT AT ALL IF IT HAS TO BE PAID OUT OF THE M.O. TAX RATHER THAN THE INS TAX BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THAT IS BEEN PROPOSED OR NOT BUT IT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL LEGISLATION AND WE ARE MONITORING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

TAX NOTES, I WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME BECAUSE IT'S ESSENTIALLY SOME OF THE THING SAME THING -- AND TAXES. THE CO GOT A LOT OF ATTENTION THIS TIME AND A LOT OF THE SAME CHANGES APPLY TO TAX NOTES THAT THIS GOES THROUGH. SOME GENERAL CHANGES. THE FIRST BULLET POINT IS THE ONE THAT HAS GONE THE MOST ATTENTION PROBABLY. THE WHOLE GOAL BEHIND IT WAS TO TRY TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF RELIEF THE TAXPAYERS BECAUSE THAT HAS GONE OUT OF CONTROL ACROSS THE STATE. A LOT OF REASONS FOR THAT, PRIMARILY GROWTH IN TEXAS SINCE THE PANDEMIC HAS REQUIRED A LOT OF COMMUNITIES TO BUILD MORE INFRASTRUCTURE AND MORE SCHOOLS BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE AND BUSINESSES ARE COMING TO TOWN.

IT IS NATURAL TO HAVE MORE DEBT TO SUPPORT THOSE PROJECTS. THE WAY THE LEGISLATOR INITIALLY HAS ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS THAT IS SAYING THAT YOUR MAXIMUM DEBT SERVICE IN AGGREGATE DEBT CANNOT EXCEED 20% OF YOUR THREE-YEAR HISTORICAL REVENUE COLLECTIONS.

SO, OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS THE MAXIMUM ANNUAL DEBT , FOR ALL OF YOUR DEBT THAT IS OUTSTANDING CANNOT EXCEED 20% OF THAT AMOUNT. WHEN WE SAW THAT WE WENT TO CALCULATIONS WITH THE ADVISORY COUNCIL AND ACCORDING TO SOME OF THE NUMBERS PRODUCED IT IS AROUND 74% OF COMMUNITIES, CITIES, COUNTIES, SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND WATER DISTRICTS IN TEXAS OR OVER THE 20% NUMBER NOW. YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT IN DIFFERENT WAYS. ONE, TOO MUCH DEBT OR TWO THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO GENERATE PROFITS TO JUSTIFY THE DEBT RATIO. IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WANT TO VIEW THAT. I'VE BEEN TOLD THE LEGISLATOR CAME UP WITH A 20% NUMBER BECAUSE THE STATE HAS A 5% DEBT CAPITAL WHAT THEY CAN ISSUE 5% OF THE REVENUES IS THE MOST THEY CAN ISSUE AND THEY MULTIPLY THAT BY FOUR TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER OF CITIES, COUNTIES AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS. IT WAS NOT BASED ON EMPIRICAL ANALYSIS JUST LOOKING AT WHAT THE STATE IS REQUIRED TO DOING WHAT THEY THOUGHT CITIES TO DO ON TOP OF THAT. THAT GOT A LOT OF PUSHBACK BECAUSE IT WOULD PREVENT -- OUTSIDE OF THE 20% CAP WHICH THE CITY OF HUTTO CURRENTLY IS. ANY OF THE VOTED DEBT, THINGS YOUR CITIZENS HAVE APPROVED YOU'D BE PROHIBITED FROM ISSUING AT THIS GOES INTO EFFECT. IF YOU ARE OVER THE CAP RIGHT NOW THAT IS FINE , STARTING SEPTEMBER 1ST ANY DEBT YOU ISSUE AFTER THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE 20% CAP AND WOULD START ADDING UP AT THAT POINT.

YOU CAN ISSUE SOME VOTED DEBT UP TO THE 20% AMOUNT AND I BELIEVE WE GOT SOME NUMBERS HERE FROM THE FINANCIAL ADVISER TO SEE WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE, TO REACH TO TO SEE THAT WE CAN GET THAT TO YOU BUT IF THIS GOES INTO EFFECT AND WHAT HAS BEEN MOST RECENTLY PROPOSED IT WOULD START SEPTEMBER 1ST AND WOULD BE 20% OF HISTORICAL REVENUES AS A CAP HOW MUCH DEBT YOU CAN ISSUE.

THE OTHER ITEMS ON HERE REQUIRED A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE TO AUTHORIZE DEBT, THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED TO AUTHORIZE TAXES.

SOME ITEMS I DON'T VIEW IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY WANT SOME SUPPORT BEFORE YOU TAKE ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS AND ISSUE DEBT OR CERTAINLY RAISE TAXES. THAT IS THE TYPE OF THING THERE ARE POLICY CONSIDERATIONS OR REASONS BEHIND IT TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. DEBT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS IS

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THESE ITEMS ARE GONE THE MOST ATTENTION. NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN SENT TO THE GOVERNMENT, NONE OF THEM PASSIVE HOUSE OR SENATE. WE ARE WAITING TO SEE WHAT MAY HAPPEN OVER THE NEXT TWO OR THREE WEEKS. TWO WEEKS AGO WE WERE CERTAIN ALL WOULD PASS IN SOME FORM. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION SENSE AND AS OF LAST FRIDAY AND THIS PAST MONDAY THINGS HAVE CHANGED QUITE A BIT AND NOW IT LOOKS LIKE ALL OF THESE ARE IN QUESTION AND WE ARE NOT SURE WHAT WILL PASS OR IN WHAT FORM.

ALL OF THIS IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE BUT WE FIRST STARTED WORKING ON THIS PRESENTATION WE THOUGHT MUCH OF THIS WAS LIKELY TO BECOME LAW AND NOW THERE IS UNCERTAINTY ABOUT WHAT MAY HAPPEN AND WE ARE JUST KIND OF WAITING TO. SEE. THAT IS THE END OF THE POWERPOINT THAT I PUT TOGETHER. ALL OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, TO BE CLEAR THE GOAL THE LEGISLATOR IS TO REDUCE THE DEBT BURDEN ON CITIZENS AND TO TRY TO PROVIDE TAX RELIEF TO ALL TAXPAYERS IN TEXAS, WHICH ARE BOTH ADMIRABLE GOALS. I THINK THERE IS ANYTHING OBJECTIONABLE ABOUT THAT. THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON WHAT IS GOOD AND WHAT IS BAD AND OVER THE NEXT THREE WEEKS HE WILL PAY ATTENTION TO SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN. THE ONE THING I WILL POINT OUT THAT COMMUNITIES ARE CONSIDERING IS THAT IF SEPTEMBER 1ST DEADLINE DOES GET TRIGGERED AND BECOME LAW COMMITTEES ARE LOOKING AT WHAT THEY WILL ISSUE BY THIS CALENDAR YEAR. THEY MAY ANTICIPATED CLOSING AFTER SEPTEMBER 1ST BUT IF THE 20% LIMIT DOES GET ENACTED, A LOT OF COMMUNITIES ARE RAMPING UP THEIR SCHEDULE, THEY WANT TO GET THAT ISSUED BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST SO IT IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE 20% CAP, THEY CAN GET ISSUE IN ADVANCE OF THAT. THAT IS THE ONLY POLICY DECISION THE COMMUNITY CAN MAKE FOR THEMSELVES BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ISSUING TAX SUPPORTED DEBT AT ANY POINT THIS YEAR, IF YOU WAIT UNTIL AFTER SEPTEMBER 1ST IT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE 20% IF WHAT WE THINK BECOMES LAW COULD BECOME LAW DOES BECOME LAW AND PEOPLE LOOK TO BUMP UP THE TIMING , THAT IS THE ONE THING THAT WE HAVE ALREADY HAD SEVERAL COUNTIES ABOUT THEIR SCHEDULE TWO TO SEPTEMBER 1ST DATE INTO CONSIDERATION. OTHER THAN THAT EVERYTHING IS SUPER MAJORITY REQUIREMENT, NOVEMBER ONLY ELECTIONS, IF THERE IS A MANAGEMENT PROCESS IT IS THE SEPTEMBER 1ST DEADLINE TO CONSIDER THE EXTENT YOU HAVE NEEDS THIS YEAR. HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR ADDRESS ANYTHING I CAN. EVEN AS I'M SPEAKING SOME OF THIS COULD CHANGE , WE DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF DEALS ARE BEING MADE. IT IS CHANGING VERY QUICKLY BUT AS OF TODAY THAT IS

THE BEST INFORMATION WE HAVE. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS

OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? >> AT THIS POINT IT IS ALL SPECULATION BECAUSE IT HAS NOT GONE TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK AND WE KNOW THAT BUT THE ONE I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT WHEN HE SAID THE 20% OF THE SEPTEMBER 1ST, EFFECTIVELY THEY WILL NOT LOOK AT WHAT THE CURRENT DEBT AS THEY WOULD JUST SAY 20% OF THE NEW CAP AND THAT IS A NEW AMOUNT YOU CANNOT EVER EXCEED? STEALING THAT'S RIGHT. EVEN THE COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE STILL INCLUDED A VOTED DEBT IN THE CALCULATION. YOU CANNOT ISSUE THAT AND GET THE PROJECT DONE. THE OTHER THING THAT WAS LEFT OUT THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT IS OUR REFUND BONDS. IF YOU HAVE DEBT ISSUED OUTSTANDING BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST BUT YOU REFUNDED AFTER SEPTEMBER 1ST OF THIS YEAR, THE WAY THE LEGISLATION WAS WRITTEN THAT YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT IN A 20% CAP AS WELL EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE REFINING TO SAVE MONEY AND IT WAS OLD DEBT. WE'VE HAD CONVERSATION WITH THE LEGISLATOR TO TRY TO GET SOME OF THAT CLEANED UP. ESPECIALLY THE REFUNDING PIECE. IF YOU ARE REFINING TO SAVE MONEY AND YOU ARE SUBJECT TO THE PENALTY THEN THERE IS A FAIRNESS QUESTION

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THAT EITHER MEANS THE DEALS CUT AND THERE WAITING TO ADD IT TO A SENATE BILL SOMEWHERE AND WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT OR THEY'RE TAKING THOSE COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION MAYBE WILL NOT GO ANYWHERE, WE DON'T KNOW BUT YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT THE

WAY YOU DESCRIBED THAT. >> OTHER QUESTIONS , DISCUSSION? I WILL MAKE A COMMENT . WHEN JAMES FIRST BROUGHT THIS UP TO ME I WAS EXCITED, HEY THAT THE STATE HAS TO GET INVOLVED TO GET A STEAMER COGNIZANT OF THE TAXES. I THINK WHAT I FEEL LIKE HAPPENS A LOT AND IT'S NOT JUST HUTTO BUT WE HAVE DONE IT IN THE PAST I NO OTHER CITIES HAVE. THEY ARE HITTING ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT BUGS ME AND THAT IS THAT WE ARE KEEPING THE TAX RATE THE SAME AND SO THIS IS NOT GOING TO COST YOU, I FORGOT HOW THEY WORDED IT BUT WE ARE NOT RAISING YOUR TAX RATE BUT THEY KNOW THEY ARE RAISING YOUR TAXES BECAUSE WE SEE ON THIS SIDE, WE SEE THE SCHEDULE OF VALUES GOING UP AND THAT IS HOW IT IS KEEPING THE RATE THE SAME. IT IS LIKE A SHELL GAME THAT GOES AWAY AND WE BREAK THINGS DOWN, IT IS ONLY $5.80 PER $100,000 VALUE, WELL, WE LIVE IN HALF-MILLION DOLLAR HOUSES SO THE CUP OF COFFEE AND SHE TURNED OUT TO BE LIKE A MEAL AND THAT IS 30 YEARS OF PAYING THAT AND NEXT YEAR WE ARE GOING TO PROPOSE THE EXACT SAME THING AGAIN AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT , I TELL PEOPLE, I AM 49 , THE COUNTY RAISE OUR TAXES 70% LAST YEAR AND IT WAS ALL IN DEBT. IF WE KEEP DOING THAT I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LIVE IN CENTRAL TEXAS BECAUSE FOR THE NEXT -- I'VE NOT PUT ENOUGH MONEY WAY TO PAY $3000 A MONTH IN TEXAS, SO, WHAT I TOLD JAMES WAS IN MY MIND, ONE GUY'S VIEW, WE HAVE A VERY GOOD OPPORTUNITY AND IF IT IS NOT DONE THIS YEAR, IT IS LIKE SCHOOL VOUCHERS, IT WILL HAPPEN IN TWO YEARS, IT IS COMING. WE CAN EITHER RUSH AND TRY TO SELL AS MUCH DEBT AS YOU CAN, WHICH I THINK IS BAD, OR LIKE WE DID WHEN THE COMMERCIAL RATES SKYROCKETED, WE TRY TO BORROW AS MUCH MONEY AS WE CAN, WE COULD START SAYING, THE MESSAGE IS CLEAR, IT IS COMING AND WE HAVE TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT IN WHAT WE ARE DOING AND WHEN IT IS A TAX INCREASE. I FORGET THE OTHER WORDING THEY PUT ON THE BUDGET BUT WE START DOING IT VOLUNTARILY BECAUSE WE SEE THE WRITING ON THE WALL. THEN WE START REALLY FOCUSING ON NEEDS VERSUS WANTS AND WHEN THIS DOES EVENTUALLY PASS WE ARE ALREADY IN BECAUSE WE CANNOT CONTROL THEM. I SAY ALL THAT, I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY IN THE CITY TO BE THE LEADER AND HE TOLD JAMES TOO, HE HAS GOT THREE MEMBERS APPEAR AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT AS A BENEFIT THAT THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND THE NEXT YEAR CHANGING THINGS TO GET READY FOR OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THIS TO HER WE CAN EMBRACE THEM BECAUSE SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE BEEN OPERATING UNDER A LOT OF THESE AND IT HAS NOT BEEN FAIR AND NOW THEY ARE HERE. I AM PROBABLY A MINORITY ON THAT BUT I'M EXCITED AND THE LAST THING I TOLD JAMES AS WE PROBABLY WON'T BE DEBATING NEW REVENUE ANYMORE APPEAR BECAUSE IF THIS STUFF ALL PASSES WE WILL BE LUCKY IF WE EVEN TAKE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAXES WE TOOK THE YEAR

BEFORE. ANYWAY. >> I THINK SUBBING IS COMING, YOU ARE RIGHT. THE QUESTION THAT HOUSE BILL 19 REALLY RAISED HIS HOW DO WE GO ABOUT DOING THAT AND WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? A LOT OF THE RESTRICTIONS ARE GOING TO TAKE AFFECT THIS SESSION ARE TWO SESSIONS FROM NOW BUT IT IS A FOCUS THAT WILL NOT GO AWAY. WE WILL END UP WITH SOMETHING AND WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT MANAGEABLE. IF YOUR HANDS ARE TIED COMPLETELY TO TAKE CARE OF BASIC NEEDS THEN THERE SOME TO TALK ABOUT. IF YOUR HANDS ARE TIED TO REFUND BONDS FOR SAVINGS TO SAVE TAXPAYERS MONEY THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. I THINK YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO SAVE MONEY FOR TAXPAYERS ANY CHANCE YOU

GET. >> BUT WE HAVE DONE THAT GAME BEFORE WHERE WE HAVE REFUNDED TO THEN OPEN UP MORE BOND CAPACITY TO THEN BORROW MORE MONEY. AND I'M LIKE IN SIX YEARS, WE HAVE DONE IT ALL APPEAR. WE EVEN TOOK ROAD MONEY AND BLEW IT ON SALARIES BUT I LOOK AT THAT AND GO, WHEN YOU REFUND, YOU SHOULD BE SAVING PEOPLE MONEY AND INSTEAD , AT LEAST IN THE PAST, WE REFUNDED BONDS TO BORROW MORE MONEY.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> FORGOT TO SAVE MONEY LET'S SAVE MONEY AND DROP TAXES BUT WE DO IT IN THIS MANNER AND THE LAST THING, THEY DIDN'T PUT THIS IN HERE BUT I RECOMMEND IT,

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>> YOUR RIGHT TO HAVE THAT IS YOUR FOCUS. IT CAN OBSTRUCT THINGS TO AVOID EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING BECAUSE WHEN TOO MANY COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE THAT, LIKE WITH BUDGET ITEMS TO ARTIFICIALLY KEEP THEIR TAX RATE AT A CERTAIN LEVEL, THE LEGISLATOR TAKES NOTICE OF THAT AND EVENTUALLY COMES BACK TO BITE YOU. IF YOU CAN HAVE PROACTIVE RESPONSES AND REASONS AND FIND BETTER WAYS TO DO IT THEN YOU WILL GET A LOT OF POSITIVE ATTENTION FOR THAT. THAT SHOULD BE A GOAL , NO QUESTION, MOST COMMUNITIES JUST HAVE NOT TAKEN THAT APPROACH.

AND YES, WE GOT FIRED FOR NOT AGREEING TO THAT BUT ASKED US TO COME BACK BECAUSE WE DID NOT AGREE.

>> WE LIKE PEOPLE WHO DO THE RIGHT THING, WE WELCOMED YOU BACK , WE WELCOMED OUR BOND UNDERWRITERS AND ARE PIT PEOPLE, WHO ALL GOT FIRED BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT DO STUFF YOU SHOULD NOT DO, WE ARE GLAD YOU ARE HERE. THANK YOU. AT LEAST I AM.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WILL LET YOU KNOW AS MUCH AS WE KNOW , IT DOES CHANGE QUICKLY AND SOMETIMES YOU DON'T KNOW TO THE LAST DAY OF THE SESSION BUT IF ANYTHING COMES UP PLEASE REACH

[10.1. Conduct a public hearing and consider possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-130 authorizing and creating the Limmer Square Public Improvement District within the City Of Hutto pursuant to Chapter 372, Texas Local Government Code. (Legal)]

OUT. >> THANKS, SIR. NEXT IS ITEM 10.1, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R-2025-130 AUTHORIZING AND CREATING THE LIMMER SQUARE PUBLICAN FROM DISTRICT WITHIN THE CITY OF HUTTO PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 372, TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.

>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I SENT A MEMO ON THIS , I REQUEST THAT YOU OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ADJOURN IT TO JUNE 5TH , THE STATUTE SAYS WHEN YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON FINAL ADJOURNMENT THEN YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS TO CREATE THE -- BUT IF YOU ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING FROM ONE DAY TO ANOTHER DATE , THE SIX MONTHS TO NOT KICK IN. THE DEVELOPER HAS FILED HIS LUMINARY PLACE AT THE COUNTY AND IS AWAITING APPROVAL ON THAT.

>> THANK YOU, WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:28 P.M. ON MAY 15TH, IF THERE IS ANYONE ON THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO COME UP AND SPEAK REGARDING THE CREATION OF THIS , SEEING NO

ONE. >> WE NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CREATE THIS TO JUNE 5TH.

>> OKAY. >> A MOTION.

>> A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO JUNE 5TH.

>> SO MOVED. >> TO HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> DISCUSSION . HEARING NONE.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON ?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR.

>> AYE. >> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD?

[10.2. Conduct a public hearing and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2025-016 Approving the Annexation of the Limmer Square Annexation tract, 111.82 acres, more or less, of land located at the southwest corner of Limmer Loop and SH130 and to Establish the Base Zoning of MF (Multi-Family), SF-1 (single-family), and B-2 (Commercial) zoning districts. (Ashley Bailey))]

>> AYE. >> MAYOR STATA?

>> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES, 10-0. NEXT IS ITEM .10 .2 , APPROVING THE ANNEXATION OF THE LIMMER SQUARE ANNEXATION TRACT 111.82 ACRES, MORE OR LESS, OF LAND LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF LIMMER LOOP AND STATE HIGHWAY 130 AND TO ESTABLISH THE BASE ZONING OF MULTIFAMILY, SF ONE SINGLE FAMILY AND BE TOO COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, ASHLEY BAILEY . THIS ITEM I BELIEVE IS BEING POSTPONED, PART OF THE MEMO YOU RECEIVED EARLIER FROM LEGAL TIED TO THAT ITEM AND WE'RE GOING TO POSTPONE IT. TO BE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING?

>> OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND A MOTION TO POSTPONE THE JUNE 5TH.

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>> ASHLEY, I THE AVERY TRACK, WHICH IS JUST SOUTH OF YOUR PAST OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

>> POTENTIALLY. IT IS ONE MORE DOWN I BELIEVE.

>> OKAY, THE ONE HIGH SCHOOL'S GOING TO.

>> I BELIEVE SO. >> ALL RIGHT. I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND 8:30 P.M. ON MAY 15TH, IF THERE IS ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON THE ANNEXATION OF 111 ACRES . SEE NONE. A MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS UNTIL

JUNE 5TH. >> SO MOVED.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD. DO WE HAVE A

SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND. CLARIFICATION QUESTION. ARE WE DOING THE SAME THING WHERE WE ARE ADJOURNING , WE ARE LEAVING THE PUBLIC COMMENT OPEN AND ADJOURNING HER TO BE CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE ARE JUST POSTPONING THE

ACTION? >> FOR THE ANNEXATION PUBLIC HEARING THE STATE LAW DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ADJOURNING IT FROM DAY TODAY. YOU ARE JUST POSTPONING TO A DATE CERTAIN.

>> TO BE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE

THAT OPEN? >> RIGHT. EVEN THOUGH HE USED THE WORD ADJOURN, BECAUSE STATE LAW REQUIRES IT. WHEN YOU FINALLY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING YOU WILL USE THE WORD FINAL ADJOURNMENT UNDER STATE LAW TO SPELLED OUT THAT WAY.

>> WE ARE NOT CLOSING JUST POSTPONING.

>> RIGHT. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING

NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> MAYOR SIDER?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON?

>> AYE POINT >> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR?

[10.3. Conduct a public hearing and consider approval of Ordinance No. 0-2025-017 for the adoption of the Unified Development Code. (Ashley Bailey)]

>> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES, 7-0. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 10.3, CONDUCTING PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 0-2025-017 FOR THE ADOPTION OF

THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. >> THIS ITEM , WE ACTUALLY NEED TO DO IS ADOPT THE ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS US TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING , WHICH I THINK YOU ARE ALL AWARE OF, SO WE CAN GET BOTH RECOMMENDATIONS BETWEEN P&G AND CITY COUNCIL. THE LINKS TO ALL THE DOCUMENTS IN THE DRAFT ARE STILL IN THE PACKET, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN POSTED , IF YOU SEE ANYTHING OR HAVE CONCERNS PLEASE GET THOSE TO US AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BUT THE ITEM TONIGHT IS ACTUALLY TO CALL FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE OTHER MEETING WE WILL BE HAVING.

>> AND WE NEED TO OPEN AND CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING AS IT WAS ADVERTISED. AND IT WAS DATE SPECIFIC.

>> OKAY. OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:32 P.M. ON MAY 15TH. DOES ANYONE WANT TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT HER UNIFIED DEVELOPING CODE? NOT YET. WE CLOSE IT AT 8:33 P.M. AND A MOTION TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE WHAT YOU SAID IS TO JUST SET THE

MEETING. >> RIGHT AND WE PASSED A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.

25 - ZERO 17 SETS THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE EIGHT PUBLIC MEETING WITH PNC IN ORDER TO PASS THE CODE AND WHAT KIND OF NOTICE IS ALLOWED UNDER STATE LAW.

>> I MAKE THE MOTION. >> SECOND. C-1 SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. ANY DISCUSSION? I WOULD TRY READING THIS THIS WEEKEND , DO NOT HATE ME. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS I WANT TO CHANGE. EVERYTHING FROM LIKE DRIVEWAY WIDTHS, MAKE SURE THEY ARE CERTAIN LENGTH BECAUSE I THINK NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE BROOKSIDE , AN EXPLORER BARELY FITS IN THE DRIVEWAY AND HANGS OVER THE SIDEWALK. EVERYTHING WE CAN DO -- GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY. I WAS TELLING THE CITY MANAGER THAT I WOULD LOVE US TO SIMPLIFY OUR PLANNING PROCESS AND UTILIZE OTHER METHODS THAT MAKE THE PLANNING PROCESS -- IT SEEMS LIKE AT LEAST IN CENTRAL TEXAS IT IS ABOUT ONE YEAR TO YEAR AND A HALF TO GET A PLAN APPROVED BUT WHEN YOU GO NORTH AND NOT JUST HERE BUT IN GENERAL, IF YOU GO JUST NORTH IT CAN BE DONE IN THREE MONTHS. I THINK THE BEST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS WE CAN HAVE IT COST NOBODY MONEY, NO TAX DOLLARS IS A CITY THAT RESPECTS CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE WANT OR LOOK TO BE BUT WE DO IT IN A MANNER THAT IS EASY TO READ, EASY TO GO THROUGH AND SHOULD PROVIDE LESS WORK FOR YOU AND YOUR STAFF AND MAKES IT BECOME ADVANTAGEOUS TO COME HERE THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE WILLING TO

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THE BOAT. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR.

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD?

>> AYE. >> MAYOR STATA?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD?

[11. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS]

>> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES. NEXT UP AT

11.1 THROUGH 11.10. >> I HAVE A LEGAL QUESTION. ON 11.8 BECAUSE WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY DO THE LIMMER SQUARE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, DOES THAT NEED TO BE DEALT WITH

DIFFERENTLY? >> NO, BECAUSE THEY HAVE PUT UP THEIR MONEY IN DEVELOPED ACCOUNT AND P3 IS ALREADY WORKING ON THIS PROJECT, THIS JUST CLEARS UP THAT THIS WILL BE ADDED TO

THEIR TASK FORCE. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> I WILL ENTERTAIN ACTION ON THIS ITEM.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

>> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON, DO HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND POINT >> SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE

VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK?

>> 11. >> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR?

[12.1. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-139 amending the City of Hutto MUD Polic removing references to In-City MUDs. (City Council/Legal)]

>> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES, 7-0. NEXT IS ITEM 12.1, RESOLUTION RESOLUTION R-2025-139 AMENDING THE --.

>> ENCLOSED IN THE PACKET IS THE RESOLUTION WITH REMOVING THE IN CITY MUDS FROM THE MUD POLICY , PURSUANT OF THE DIRECTION WE RECEIVED LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING. WE HAVE HAD FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS, FURTHER EXPLANATIONS AND WE HAVE DEVELOPED SOME SLIDES TO TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT AND PID AND THE DIFFERENCES , WE ALSO PROVIDED A MEMO TO YOU TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND HOW M.U.D.'S ARE DEVELOPED AND SARAH IS GOING TO HELP WITH THIS PRESENTATION. THE SLIDES INDICATE THAT YOU CAN CREATE A MENISCAL UTILITY DISTRICT, IT LEVIES TAXES, IT IS EITHER CREATED BY A PETITION TO THE TC Q OR STATE STATUTE . THE CITY HAS TO GIVE CONSENT FOR THE M.U.D. TO BE CREATED IN THE CITY. THE OTHER ONE IS AN ALTERNATIVE FINANCING METHOD THAT CREATES AN INDEPENDENT, LIMITED GOVERNMENT THAT CAN ISSUE BONDS, LEVY TAXES FOR UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE. THE HUTTO M.U.D. ARE LOCATED IN THE CITY THE TJ. THE NEXT PART OF THE FIRST FIGHT HE JUST TALKS ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN FINANCE AND ISSUE DEBT FOUR. IN ORDER TO ISSUE THOSE BONDS THEY HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE TC Q , OVER TIME THE DEVELOPERS WITHIN THE M.U.D. ARE REIMBURSED FOR

THE WATER, SEWER, DRAINAGE. >> CAN YOU GO BACK A FLOOD?

>> SORRY. THE PURPOSE FOR THE DEVELOPER TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE WAY. IN AN M.U.D. THE DEVELOPER HAS TO WAIT UNTIL THE END TO GET APPROVAL IN ORDER TO GET REIMBURSED BUT HE GETS 100% REIMBURSEMENT. THE DEVELOPERS THAT REQUEST M.U.D. , LIKE TO BE REIMBURSED 100%. SO , WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR M.U.D. POLICY IS , AND THAT IS THE NEXT SLIDE, IF A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT CAN BE NEGOTIATED WITH THE ANNEXATION AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE CITY WOULD PREFER THAT AND IT IS MORE OF A BENEFIT BECAUSE THERE IS AN ASSESSMENT OF THE MONEY THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS PAYBACK. THIS DOES NOT CHANGE WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS VALUE OF THE HOUSE GOING UP, LIKE IN M.U.D. , LIKE IF THE HOUSE AD VALOREM TAX INCREASES, THEY PAY MORE. THE PIT ASSESSMENT STAYS THE SAME. THEY CAN PREPAY AND WE HAVE DONE SEVERAL , COUNCILS FAMILIAR WITH THE PAID SERVICE PLAN , UNDER

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>> SO, MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.

>> AND WE DO HAVE A SLIDE ON WHERE YOUR M.U.D.'S ARE

CURRENTLY. MAYBE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> HOLD ON. >> MADE A MOTION.

>> SECONDED IT. >> OKAY. NOW COUNCILMEMBER

KOLAR. >> CAN USE WHEN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN M.U.D. TAX AND PID ASSESSMENT .

>> AN M.U.D. TAXES SET BY THE M.U.D. WARD. THEY CREATE A BOARD THAT CONTROLS THE M.U.D. AND IT SETS THE TAX RATE FOR THE M.U.D.

, SIMILAR TO HOW THE CITY CREATES THEIR TAX RATE AND IT FLUCTUATES WITH THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. THE PID ASSESSMENT, WHEN WE HAVE DONE THE PID'S AND OF HOW THE ASSESSMENT ORDINANCE IT IS A FIXED AMOUNT ON THE SIZE OF THE LOT AND SOMETIMES THAT VARIOUS WITHIN THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT ON THE SIZE OF THE LOT. IT REIMBURSES THE BONDHOLDERS FOR THE AMOUNT OF

THE BONDS THAT ARE ISSUED . >> ULTIMATELY IT IS JUST A DIFFERENT FINANCING MECHANISM. THE DEVELOPER DOES GET PAID ENTIRELY THROUGH EITHER THE ASSESSMENT OR THE TAX?

>> FOR THE PID, SOMETIMES THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT GET FULLY REIMBURSED, WHICH IS WHY THE M.U.D. DEVELOPERS PREFER THE M.U.D. BUT A LOT OF TIMES CITIES WILL ENTER INTO REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENTS OR CREATE PID TO MAKE THE DEVELOPER WHOLE. IN PID THE DEVELOPER GETS THE MONEY SOONER. IN PID THE DEVELOPER HAS TO WAIT AND THE TIME VALUE TO SOME DEVELOPERS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN CREATING THE MUD AND GETTING REIMBURSED.

>> IN THE PID THEY GET MONEY QUICKER AND ARE WILLING TO TAKE SOME LOSS AT LESS THAN 100% OR AT A LOWER PERCENTAGE, RIGHT?

>> YES BECAUSE THE COST OF FINANCING , IF THE PID DEVELOPER HAD TO FINANCE IT HIMSELF IT WOULD NOT BE AT THE INTEREST RATE THAT THE PID BONDS ARE. THAT IS WHERE THE DEVELOPER , THAT IS WHY PID DEVELOPERS LIKE THAT.

>> MY QUESTION , DOTTIE , AND IT WOULD NOT BE NECESSARILY BECAUSE WHETHER WE KEEP IT IN THE CITY M.U.D. OR NOT BUT IS THERE ANY POINT WHEN WE UPDATE THE POLICY THAT YOU CAN ALSO HAVE IT THAT ANY M.U.D. COMES INTO THE ET J THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE PROVISION UPON PAYING OFF THE M.U.D. THAT THEY HAVE TO ANNEX

IN AT THAT TIME TO THE CITY? >> THE CITY HAS TO GIVE THEIR CONSENT IF THE M.U.D. IS CREATED IN THE CITY OR IN THE ETJ AND IN THESE DEVELOPMENT AND CONSENT AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE WHEN THE BONDS ARE 90% PAID OFF, THEY WILL AGREE TO THE ANNEXATION, THE FULL PURPOSE ANNEXATION. THERE ARE ALSO PROVISIONS IN THERE FOR LIMITED PURPOSE ANNEXATION TO COLLECT THE SALES

TAX IN THE M.U.D.. >> STAR RANCH IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IN THE CITY OF HUTTO, FOR EXAMPLE. I ALSO LIKE THE FACT THAT IN THE PID WHEN YOU BUY YOUR HOUSE ON DAY ONE, YOU KNOW WHAT THE M.U.D. , ON THE LINE IT WAS A $5000 OR WHATEVER IT IS AND IF YOU CHOOSE TO TAKE A 30 YEAR MORTGAGE AND YOU KNOW THE INTEREST RATE, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WILL PAY FOR THAT PART OF THE ASSESSMENT. IF YOU WANT TO PAY IT OFF EARLY BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY THE INTEREST YOU CAN. IN THE M.U.D. YOUR HOUSE DOUBLES IN VALUE BUT YOUR TAX RATE CHASE THE SAME BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO GET THERE PID MONEY BUT THE BILL YOU JUST PAID FOR YOUR STUFF JUST DOUBLED FOR THAT M.U.D.. THAT IS WHERE M.U.D.'S HAVE SOME DISADVANTAGES AND TAXING

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>> FOR ME I DON'T WANT ANOTHER POLITICAL ENTITY , WE ARTY HAVE M.U.D. WITH PEOPLE COME UP AND WANTS TO FIX ISSUES THAT ARE NOT ARE ISSUES . SOME OF IT IS JUST TOO COMPLICATED FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT FROM TEXAS, THEY COME FROM OUT OF TOWN, THERE USED TO CITIES RUNNING EVERYTHING AND THAT IS LIKE, THAT IS NOT US.

THE SCHOOL IS NOT US, SORRY, THE COUNTY ROAD, THAT IS NOT US. SO, IT IS JUST MORE COMPLICATIONS FOR ME . AND PLUS THE FACT THAT M.U.D.'S CAN REFUND THEIR DEBT , YOU COULD POTENTIALLY ALWAYS HAVE M.U.D. TAX. AT LEAST WITH THE PID YOU CAN REPAY IT AND IT IS OVER BUT YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS. YOU PAY THE M.U.D. FOR LIFE AND I THINK A LOT OF TIMES, MY OPINION IS THAT THEY GET CREATED BECAUSE PEOPLE GET PAID TO RUN THE M.U.D. AND IT BECOMES A PROFIT CENTER FOR THEM. WHETHER IT BE LAWYERS , CONSULTANTS, THAT IS ONE WAY TO CUT THAT OUT, ALREADY PAYING THE CITY TAXES FOR THE SAME TYPE OF SERVICES A LOT OF TIMES. SO , THAT IS WHY I HAVE NEVER BEEN A BIG FAN OF M.U.D.'S , BUT I HAVE LEARNED TO DO THEM SOMETIMES ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF TOWN.

>> WITHIN THE CITY I THINK WE ARE TRYING HARD TO FACILITATE QUALITY DEVELOPMENT THAT MEETS OUR STANDARDS. SO IN-CITY M.U.D.'S NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT OVERSIGHT AND THEN OBVIOUSLY HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE FUTURE DEBT BURDENS TO HOMEOWNERS, I'M NOT VERY , I'M NOT SOMEONE THAT WOULD SUPPORT IN-CITY M.U.D.'S AS OPPOSED TO PID'S.

>> LAST WEEK I WAS QUESTIONED ON THE NECESSITY OF REMOVING THIS JUST BECAUSE IT IS IN THERE DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE GOING TO APPROVE IT, JUST ANOTHER TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX BUT I AM NEVER GOING TO VOTE FOR AN IN-CITY M.U.D. ANYWAY, IF FUTURE COUNCIL ONCE ADDED BACK IN THEY CAN DO THAT BUT LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, I VOTED FOR M.U.D.'S IN THE PAST BUT AS THEY ARE ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF TOWN WHERE WE WERE NOT EXPAND UNTIL 30 YEARS WHEN THE M.U.D.

IS PAID OFF. I'M FINE VOTING FOR THIS BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR IN AN EFFORT TO THE M.U.D. ANYWAY.

>> THERE WAS A LOT OF TALKING GOING ON, WHO IS THE MOTION AND

SECOND? >> SNYDER WAS THE MOTION AND COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD WAS THE SECOND.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON?

>> AYE. >> COUNCIL NUMBER THOMPSON?

>> AYE. >> MAYOR FEDDE?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK?

[13.1. Discussion and possible action on City Council Place 3 regarding compliance with Resolution R-2023-022 and Section 3.02 of the Hutto City Charter; declaring Council Place 3 per Section 3.06(a) and 3.06(b)(1) of the Hutto City Charter vacant for failure of Council Member for Place 3 to meet the qualifications of office; and if necessary, removal from Office and Boards and Commissions. (Councilmember Porterfield)]

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD?

>> AYE. >> THE MOTION PASSES, 7-0. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 13.1, DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION ON CITY COUNCIL PLACED REGARDING COMPLIANCE WITH THE RESOLUTION ARE 2023 022 AND SECTION 3.02 OF THE HUDDLE CITY CHARTER DECLARING COUNCIL PLACE THREE PER SECTION 3.06 A AND 3.0 6B 1 OF THE HUDDLE CITY CHARTER VACANT FOR FAILURE OF COUNCIL NUMBER FOR PLACE THREE TO MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS OF OFFICE AND IF NECESSARY REMOVAL FROM OFFICE

AND BOARDS OF COMMISSIONS. >> IS PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY, THE AGENDA ITEM BROUGHT FORWARD. I WILL SAY THIS. THIS COUNCIL HAS LACKED INTEGRITY IN DOING THE RIGHT THING. OUR ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION HAS NO POWER TO ENFORCE AND THEREFORE WE ARE KIND OF LEFT TO OUR OWN DEVICES AND WE CAN GET AWAY WITH THINGS IF WE ARE CLEVER ENOUGH TO DO SO. COUNCILMEMBER CLARK DOESN'T LIVE IN HUTTO, HE STAYS IN HUTTO FROM TIME TO TIME BUT IS A DOMICILE HE CANNOT DECLARE HUTTO OR HE PERMANENTLY OR INTENDS TO RESIDE. MY CELL FOR EXAMPLE, I PERMANENTLY AND DO INTEND TO RESIDE IN HUTTO AND HAVE DECLARED DOMICILE HERE IN MANY WAYS. I OWNED A HOME IN THE CITY LIMITS OF HUTTO , I SENT SOLD THE HOME, NOT NEWS TO ANYBODY AND I MOVED TO A HOME THAT I

RENT WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. >> CAN WE OPEN UP THE OTHER ITEMS SINCE HE IS TALKING ABOUT PLACE FIVE? SO THAT IT IS LIKE

ON TOPIC? >> I AM JUST MAKING A POINT.

>> I JUST WANT TO STAY ON TOPIC. THEN YOU CAN SAY EVERYTHING.

>> SURE. SURE. POINT BEING, I MOVED AND DECLARED DOMICILE ,

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THIS COUNCIL HAS PREVIOUSLY INDIRECTLY OR DIRECTLY ESTABLISH THAT LISTING A HOME FOR SALE IS NOT A REASON TO DECLARE DOMICILE BUT HOWEVER, THE HOME THAT IS FOR SALE IS STAGED APPROPRIATELY FOR SELLING AND THE HOME HAS NO REAL INDICATION THAT ANYONE IS ACTUALLY LIVING THERE, MUCH LESS RESIDE THERE OR INTENDS TO DOMICILE THERE. HAD MR. CLARK DECLARED HIS RENTAL HOME IN THE CITY OF HUTTO AS A DOMICILE , AS I DID , MAYBE I WOULD NOT HAVE THE OPINION I HAVE NOW BUT HE DID NOT. HE DID NOT BECAUSE HE DOES NOT INTEND TO LIVE HERE. HE KEEPS APPEARANCES TO BE HERE, WHICH IS CLEVER AND IT DISTRACTS FROM THE TRUTH. I SAY AGAIN AT THE COUNCIL HAS LACKED INTEGRITY FOR TOO LONG. AND IT IS OUR DUTY TO THE PEOPLE TO HOLD INTEGRITY. AND OUR ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO HELP US BE ACCOUNTABLE AT THIS TIME AND IT IS OUR DUTY TO HOLD OURSELVES AND EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE TO THE TRUTH. WE MUST ACT WITH INTEGRITY. THEREFORE AND MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE COUNCILMEMBER CLARK FROM CITY COUNCIL FROM PLACE THREE FOR NOT MAINTAINING QUALIFICATIONS TO SERVE IN THE ROLE AND LIKEWISE REMOVE THEM FROM ALL CURRENT POSITIONS ON

BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. >> A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD, DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER

KOLAR. DISCUSSION . >> SO, I'M VERY SURPRISED AT THIS POLITICAL ATTACK BY ALL OF YOU , WHEN I HAVE ONE MORE MEETING AFTER THIS ONE. IT SEEMS RIDICULOUS. NOTHING HAS CHANGED FOR ME SINCE WHEN YOU VOTED ON THIS BACK IN AUGUST. YES, MY HOME IS FOR SALE. YES, I STILL RESIDE HERE, YES, I AM GLAD NO ONE CAME TO OPEN THE REFRIGERATOR AND LOOKED AT ALL MY FOOD IN THERE, THE PANTRY IS FULL OF FOOD, THE CLOSER IN MY CLOSET AND IN THE DRAWERS FOR MY KIDS, AND MY DAUGHTER, WHO IS A HUTTO HIGH SCHOOL SENIOR. CLEARLY I LIVE HERE. MY DAUGHTER GOES TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY HERE, I AM HER CUSTODIAL FATHER , I RESIDE IN HUTTO. I HAVE STATED THIS MULTIPLE TIMES. MY VOTER REGISTRATION CARD IS FOR HUTTO, I VOTED IN THE LAST ELECTION HERE. MY PROPERTY IS OWNED HERE. MY DRIVER'S LICENSES HERE. MY MAILING ADDRESS IS LISTED HERE, I HAVE PROVIDED ALL THIS DOCUMENTATION TO THE ATTORNEY, JUST AS I DID BEFORE AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED. THE CHARTER SPELLS OUT ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS. I MEET EVERY CONDITION OF THE CHARTER, A VOTE AGAINST ME BEFORE WAS ACTUALLY YOU THREE VOTING AGAINST WHAT WAS IN THE CHARTER FOR RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS. YOU TOOK AN OATH TO UPHOLD THE CHARTER. YOU VOTED AGAINST THE CHARTER, I HAVE -- MYSELF AS PER THE LAW AND I DO RESIDE HERE IN HUTTO. I ALSO QUESTION TO THE ATTORNEY, HOW CAN THE NEGATIVE , LOSING SIGHT OF HIS EXACT MOTION FRAMED IDENTICALLY ABLE TO BE BROUGHT BACK UP BECAUSE I THOUGHT ONLY THE AFFIRMATIVE SIDE COULD EVEN BRING IT UP BUT I DO WANT TO HEAR YOUR TALKING POINTS.

>> THAT WAS MY QUESTION, CITY ATTORNEY. ON AUGUST 1ST THIS ITEM WAS BROUGHT UP, HOW IS COUNCILMEMBER ABLE TO BRING THIS UP WHEN THEY WERE PART OF THE PARTY DEVOTED?

>> ARE YOU BRINGING THAT UP AT A POINT OF ORDER THAT THIS CANNOT

BE HEARD ? >> THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M

DOING. >> OKAY, THIS IS RAISED THAT THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR BEING PRESENTED BY COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD, SINCE HE VOTED ON THE SIDE THAT DID NOT PREVAIL.

>> POINT TAKEN. >> DOES ANYBODY WANT TO APPEAL ?

>> YES. >> NEED A MOTION TO APPEAL AND A

SECOND. >> MOTION TO APPEAL.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON, A SECOND?

>> I WILL SECOND. >> COUNCILMEMBER GORDON. ANY

OTHER DISCUSSION ? >> OKAY.

>> WE ARE VOTING TO APPEAL THE MAYOR'S DECISION THAT WE CAN HEAR THIS ITEM . SO, IF YOU VOTE IN FAVOR OF OVERRULING THE MAYOR, THEN THIS ITEM WILL BE HEARD.

>> WHAT IS THE LEGAL OPINION ON I GUESS WHAT COUNCILMEMBER

THOMPSON ASKED OF YOU? >> THE POINT OF ORDER, HE RAISE THE POINT OF ORDER THAT BECAUSE COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD WAS NOT ON THE PREVAILING SIDE THE LAST TIME THIS ISSUE IS RAISED THAT HE COULD NOT BRING THIS BACK AND THEN MAYOR SNYDER

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>> MY ONLY CONCERN , POINT WELL TAKEN, NO ONE HAS SHOWN ME WITH THE AGENDA ITEM WAS IN AUGUST, JUST SAYING IT, WE HAVE A TENDENCY TO DO A PEER, PEOPLE SAY STUFF THAT TURNS OUT TO NOT ALWAYS BE TRUE. IS IT EXACTLY AS IT WAS WRITTEN? THAT IS ONE QUESTION AND TWO, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK ABOUT WHY I THINK COUNCILMEMBER CLARK DOES OR DOES NOT LIVE IN HUTTO. SO, THERE WAS A BIG DEBATE ABOUT DEMOCRACY AND THE ABILITY TO SPEAK AND NOW I HAVE PEOPLE TRYING TO SILENCE MY ABILITY TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT IS VERY MUCH A CONCERN TO PEOPLE IN HUTTO. THAT IS WHY I'M SAYING , THAT IS WHY I DID A POINT NOT

WELL TAKEN. >> CITY ATTORNEY, I'M STILL NOT HEARING THE DECISION ON THE POINT OF ORDER. I AM NOT HEARING THE DECISION ON AUGUST 1ST , ITEM 12.2 . THE SAME THING AS WRITTEN IN OUR AGENDA RIGHT NOW , HOW IS THIS ABLE TO BE BROUGHT UP BY A COUNCILMEMBER ON THE NONPREVAILING SIDE?

>> SO, IT GOT PLACED ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE COUNCILMEMBERS CAN PLACE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA UNTIL SOMEBODY RAISES A POINT OF ORDER THAT IT IS IMPROPER. THEN YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. THE RULES OF ORDER PROCESS.

>> UNDERSTOOD.

>> I'M TRYING TO PULL OF OUR AGENDA ITEMS TO SEE WHAT IT WAS

IN AUGUST. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

>> DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE POINT OF ORDER FIRST?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT IT IS.

>> WE ARE VOTING TO OVERRULE THE CHAIR, YES OR NO? WE CAN STILL TALK ABOUT IT AFTERWARDS. ALL WE ARE DOING IS OVERRULING YOUR DECISION TO SHUT DOWN HIS CONVERSATION.

>> NO. BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO OVERRULE ME THEN THE POINT OF ORDER IS SUSTAINED AND WE ARE DONE TALKING ABOUT IT.

>> I THOUGHT WE CAN STILL TALK ABOUT A POINT OF ORDER. ALL WE ARE OVERRULING, HE TRIED TO RAISE A POINT OF ORDER AND YOU ARE PREVENTING HIM FROM EVEN RAISING THE POINT OF ORDER BECAUSE HE WANTED TO RAISE A POINT OF ORDER AND YOU SAID NO, I WILL NOT EVENLY SPEAK ABOUT THAT. SO, WE ARE VOTING ON WHETHER OR NOT THE MAYOR CAN STOP COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON FROM EVEN RAISING THE ORDER, WE ARE VOTING ON IS WHETHER HE EVEN HAS THE ABILITY TO RAISE THE POINT OF ORDER. HE RAISE THE POINT OF ORDER AND YOU SAID NOT WELL TAKEN. THIS VOTE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE ARE VOTING ON IS TO SAY HE HAS A POINT TO BE ABLE TO RAISE HIS POINT OF ORDER AGAIN. HE HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO RAISE IT BECAUSE YOU STOPPED HIM. YES OR NO?

>> YES, THEN WE CAN DEBATE THE POINT OF ORDER.

>> CORRECT. >> AS LONG AS WE CAN STILL

DEBATE THE POINT OF ORDER. >> DO YOU KNOW HOW TO SAY THE

MOTION? >> I'VE ALREADY SAID THE MOTION. DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING?

>> YES. WHAT IS THE MOTION? >> I DID NOT MAKE THE MOTION,

WHAT IS THE MOTION? >> I MADE A POINT OF ORDER.

>> I SAID POINT NOT WELL TAKEN AND THE MOTION WAS MADE TO OVERRULE ME. I DID NOT MAKE THE MOTION.

>> WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY, MAYOR IS , SHALL THE DECISION OF THE MAYOR STAND? AND THEN I VOTE, AGREES WITH YOU AND THAT WE ARE OVERWRITING THE POINT OF ORDER AND NAY VOTE MEANS WE DISAGREE AND THAT WE ALLOW HIM TO CONTINUE SPEAKING .

>> IS THAT CORRECT, DADDY? >> YES.

>> CALLED THE VOTE. >> MAYOR SNYDER?

>> NAY. >> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK?

>> NAY. >> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON?

>> NAY. >> COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD?

>> NAY. >> MAYOR, YOUR QUESTION, THE ONLY CHANGE BETWEEN THE ITEM THIS TIME AND NOW.

>> HOLD ON. >> YOU ASKED ME TO PULL IT UP.

>> I KNOW. >> THE NAY FOLKS MEAN WE ARE GOING TO DEBATE THE POINT OF ORDER.

>> NOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO DEBATE THE POINT OF ORDER.

>> SO ARE YOU MAD? >> NO, I JUST DON'T KNOW HALF OF YOU KNOW YOU VOTED THE WAY YOU REALLY VOTED, THAT IS WHAT I

THINK, IT IS KIND OF FUNNY. >> I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK.

IT IS WHAT YOU ACTUALLY KNOW. >> SO, WHO VOTED WHICH WAY ,

PLEASE? >> EVERYBODY VOTED NAY EXCEPT

FOR COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. >> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. NOW WE WILL DISCUSS THE POINT OF ORDER. NOW YOU MAY

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INTRODUCE. >> AS I SAID ORIGINALLY, EVERYTHING UP TO MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS OF OFFICE WAS IDENTICAL. THE OTHER ONE SAID, WHAT IS NECESSARY TO BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE, THAT SAID IF NECESSARY TO SET A DATE FOR

FILING FOR VACANCY. >> IT IS WORDED DIFFERENTLY?

>> NOT UP UNTIL THE POINT . >> IS THE AGENDA ITEM THE EXACT SAME TONIGHT AS IT WAS IN AUGUST? NOT UP TO, IS IT THE EXACT SAME? THAT IS THE POINT OF ORDER. COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON,

UNLESS I'M INCORRECT. >> PLEASE READ THE ITEM FROM

AUGUST 1ST. >> CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON CITY COUNCIL PLACE THREE , REGARDING COMPLIANCE WITH RESOLUTION ARE 2023 022 IN SECTION 3.02 OF THE HUDDLE CITY CHARTER DECLARING COUNCIL SEAT LACE THREE PER SECTION 306A EMBRYO SIX B 1 THEY CAN FOR FAILURE OF COUNCIL NUMBER FOR PLACE TO THE QUALIFICATIONS OF OFFICE. AND THEN THERE IS A SECOND PART OF THIS IS IF NECESSARY SET A DATE FOR FILING OF VACANCY OF SECTION 3.0 6C BUT THAT PART DIDN'T GET VOTED ON, THE FIRST PART WAS BROUGHT UP AND VOTED AND HE WAS ON THE NEGATIVE. TO BRING UP THE FIRST PART TO MAKE A VOTE ON THE FIRST

SECTION IS THE IDENTICAL ITEM. >> OKAY.

>> THE POINT OF ORDER , CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON, YOU ARE SAYING THE ITEMS ARE IDENTICAL, IS THAT

RIGHT? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> OKAY. >> THE POINT OF ORDER IS THAT THE ITEMS ARE IDENTICAL , IT FOUND THAT THEY ARE NOT IDENTICAL, THEY ARE VERY SIMILAR. THIS ONE HAS SOME ADDED

LANGUAGE, CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>> OKAY. >> I GOT A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. IT IS NOT WORDED EXACTLY RIGHT BUT IT IS THE SAME ITEM , WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT OR WOULD YOU NOT AGREE WITH

THAT? >> THE BASIS OF THE AGENDA ITEM IS THE SAME. SO, SHOULD HE BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE BECAUSE OF NOT MAINTAINING RESIDENCY IN HUTTO. THE SUBJECT MATTER IS THE SAME BUT THERE ARE ADD-ONS IN THERE THAT , SHOULD YOU DECIDE THAT THE POINT OF ORDERS WELL TAKEN , HE WOULD CONSIDER THE

REST OF THE ITEMS. >> RIGHT. BECAUSE THERE IS A RULE, IT SAYS IF YOU BRING AN ITEM TO COUNCIL AND YOU ARE ON THE LOSING SIDE OF THE VOTE , THERE IS A RULE IN PLACE THAT SAYS YOU CANNOT BRING IT UP AGAIN, OTHERWISE PEOPLE ON THE LOSING SIDE OF THE VOTE WOULD CONSTANTLY EVERY MEETING WOULD BRING IT UP AGAIN, BRING IT UP AGAIN. THAT IS WHY THE RULE IS

IN PLACE. >> IF EVERYBODY VOTED NO THEY

WOULD BE THE PREVAILING SIDE. >> WHOEVER IS THE PREVAILING SIDE OF WHATEVER HAPPENED BUT THAT IS TO PREVENT , WHOEVER'S ON THE PREVAILING SIDE CAN BRING IT BACK AS THEY CAN RECONSIDER AND CHANGE THEIR MIND SOMEBODY IN THE LOSING SIDE OF THE VOTE, IT IS TO PREVENT CHAOS FROM CONTINUALLY BRINGING BACK ITEMS OVER AND OVER AGAIN JUST BECAUSE YOU LOSE A VOTE AND YOU WANT TO BRING IT BACK, RIGHT? THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE RULE AND WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE MAYOR IS THAT WELL IF YOU JUST WORDED DIFFERENTLY AND ADD AN EXTRA, OR AN EXTRA WORD THEN IT IS NOT THE SAME AND IF I CAN FIND A LOOPHOLE THAT I CAN BRING IT BACK. AND IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WHAT MAYOR SNYDER IS TRYING TO DO, THE WORDING IS NOT EXACTLY RIGHT BUT THE ITEM IS THE SAME, IT MAY NOT BE WORDED EXACTLY RIGHT BUT THAT DOES NOT MATTER.

WHAT MATTERS IS THE AGENDA ITEM , IS THE AGENDA ITEM THE SAME? RANDAL CLARK WAS ATTEMPTED TO BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE BEFORE AND IS TRYING TO BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE NOW, THAT IS THE ITEM.

WHERE AM I WRONG? YOU AND THE SUBJECT MATTER IS THE SAME.

>> THANK YOU. >> IN HER LEGAL OPINION ON BRING

IT BACK, WHAT IS THAT? >> BECAUSE COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD WAS NOT ON THE PREVAILING SIDE , HE COULD NOT, THE COUNCIL CAN VOTE THAT THE POINT OF ORDERS WELL TAKEN AND THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED.

>> FOR THE RECORD, MAYOR PRO TEM , I HAVE NOT SPOKEN I FEEL ABOUT THIS, ALL OF THAT UP TO THIS POINT IS VERIFIED, IS IT THE EXACT BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD IT IS WRITTEN THE EXACT DOLL I AM DISPUTING IS THAT IT IS NOT THE EXACT. SO, ALL OF YOUR STUFF IS NOT NEEDED BECAUSE THAT IS WHY THESE THINGS GET DRUG OUT IN EVER BUT HE GETS UPSET. I'M TRYING TO VERIFY, IS IT WRITTEN THE EXACT SAME? IF IT IS NOT THE EXACT SAME WE AGREED HAS THE SAME MEANING IN ALL OF THAT. FOR ME, NEW INFORMATION HAS COME UP SINCE AUGUST. IN AUGUST COUNCILMEMBER, HIS WIFE LIZ IN

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>> WHAT IS THE NEW INFORMATION, MAYOR? LET'S PUT ON THE POINT WELL TAKEN BECAUSE I WANT TO DISCUSS THIS AND VOTE ON IT. I VOTE AGAINST THE POINT OF ORDER BECAUSE I WANT TO DISCUSS THIS AND PUT THIS TO BED. LET'S HAVE THE DISCUSSION. IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE PROOF, LET'S HEAR IT. SO, LET'S TAKE THE VOTE. LET'S GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY. LET'S GET THIS CIRCUS OUT OF THE WAY.

>> WELL , I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO CONSIDER THE ITEM AS

POSTED ON THE AGENDA. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO CONSIDER THE ITEM AS POSTED ON THE AGENDA, DESPITE THE FACT THAT COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD DIDN'T HAVE RIGHTS TO PUT IT ON

THERE. >> CAN YOU DO THAT WHEN WE HAVE NOT DISPOSED THE POINT OF ORDER VOTE?

>> OR THE ORIGINAL MOTION. >> THE POINT OF ORDER WAS

RAISED. >> LET'S VOTE ON THE POINT OF ORDER SO THAT WE ARE STAYING STRUCTURED. BECAUSE HE DOES NOT WANT TO WITHDRAW IT, LET'S VOTE ON IT SO WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT

TOPIC. >> I FEEL SORRY FOR THE CITY

SECRETARY RIGHT NOW. >> THE POINT OF ORDER WAS RAISED THE ITEM SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD WAS NOT ON THE PREVAILING SIDE OF THE SUBJECT MATTER THAT IS POSTED IN THE AGENDA ITEM.

>> THERE NEEDS TO BE A SECOND FOR THAT.

>> THEN THE MAYOR SAID NOT WELL TAKEN. THEN WAS APPEALED. WE ARE BACK TO THE POINT OF ORDER. YOU CAN VOTE ON THE POINT OF ORDER

IF YOU WOULD LIKE. >> WHETHER TO SUSTAIN OR DENY IT

? >> CORRECT.

>> IS THAT LEGAL THOUGH? >> IF NO ONE IS GOING TO OBJECT TO IT IT WOULD BE LEGAL BECAUSE AS FAR AS ROBERTS RULES GO, IF YOU GO OUTSIDE OF THE RULES, WHICH YOU ARE IN THIS CASE, BUT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A RECORD VOTE ON IT, YOU CAN DO IT THAT

WAY. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN THEY SUSPENDED THE RULES TO RAISE TAXES A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, I DO REMEMBER THE MOTION?

>> WE DIDN'T -- TO RAISE TAXES, THAT IS INCORRECT.

>> WHEN THEY SUSPENDED THE RULES TO REMEMBER WHAT THE MOTION WAS?

>> IT WAS A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, BUT YES IT WAS SO THEY COULD GO BACK AND TAKE BACK THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE AND VOTE IN NOTICE FOR A

HIGHER RATE. >> COULD JUST MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES. BUT UP TO YOU GUYS. OKAY, A NAY VOTE IS TO ALLOW THE DISCUSSION TO CONTINUE. AT AYE VOTE IS TO CALL THE ITEM , I GUESS IN PROPER AND WE ARE DONE, RIGHT?

>> RIGHT. >> HOLD ON. CAN YOU PLEASE READ

THE MOTION? WHAT IS THE MOTION? >> AS I UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF ORDER THAT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ON THE ITEM.

>> WE HAVE TO DISPOSE OF COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON'S

MOTION. >> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON IS RISING A POINT OF ORDER THAT THE AGENDA ITEM IS NOT ELIGIBLE BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT UP PREVIOUSLY. IT WAS SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. LET'S VOTE ON THAT. WHETHER IT IS SUSTAINED, WE AGREE, YES? OR NOT, VOTE NO.

>> SO, AN AYE VOTE ON THIS IS THAT THIS IS NOT A PROPER VOTING WE SHOULD NOT BE DISCUSSING THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT OF BEEN

BROUGHT UP? YOU TO CORRECT. >> AND A NAY VOTE MEANS TO KEEP

GOING. >> CORRECT.

>> AND I'M ASKING, IF WE VOTE AGAINST THIS IS IT ILLEGAL? BECAUSE THIS IS NOT , THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BY SOMEBODY ON THE

NON-PREVAILING SIDE? >> TYPICALLY, WHEN YOU RAISE A POINT OF ORDER AND THE MAYOR DOES NOT SUSTAIN IT AND IT GETS APPEALED AND THE COUNCIL BY MAJORITY VOTES TO OVERRIDE THE MAYOR SUSPENSION , THEN THE POINT OF ORDER IS SUSTAINED.

THAT IS ROBERTS RULE. >> WE HAVE ALREADY DONE IT.

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>> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. WHAT DO WE NEED TO

DO. >> YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO

RECONSIDER . >> THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I BROUGHT UP BEFORE. IF YOU VOTE YES OR NO, A CERTAIN WAY, THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN. THAT IS ALL WE GET INTO ALL OF THESE ACCUSATIONS AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DO AT THE END THE DAY

YOU ARE JUST CONFUSING THE ITEM. >> I AM NOT CONFUSING ANYTHING.

>> SIR, YOU ARE CONFUSED IS NOW WE ARE BEING TOLD HE CANNOT EVEN TALK ABOUT THE ITEM AND YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO VOTE TO DISCUSS THE ITEM AND GET IT OVER WITH WE CANNOT DO THAT.

>> BUT THAT IS HOW SHE TOLD ME WHEN I ASKED BEFORE HE VOTED. I

AM NOT THE ONE CONFUSED. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER

ITEM 13.1 POINT >> SECOND.

>> MAN, OH, MAN. WE ARE DOING GOOD.

>> IF YOU WANT CHAOS, I WILL GIVE YOU CHAOS. I WILL LET YOU

HAVE IT. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE RECONSIDERATION? HEARING NONE. CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? >> AYE.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? >> AYE.

>> MAYOR SIDER ? >> RELEVANT.

>> MOTION PASSES, 6-1. BACK TO ITEM 13.1. ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD ? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM PEOPLE?

>> MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR EVIDENCE, YOU SAID YOU HAVE TONS OF EVIDENCE THAT WHAT COUNCILMEMBER CLARK SAID WAS

UNTRUE. >> I NEVER SAID I HAD TONS OF EVIDENCE. I TOLD YOU THAT WE HAD BEFORE , HE MARRIED HIS WIFE IN HOUSTON , HE BODY $600,000 HOUSE IN HOUSTON . AT THE TIME ONLY TO THIS IN AUGUST, HE SAID I'M NOT PLANNING ON MOVING, I PLAN TO RESIDE HERE , I FORGOT YOUR EXACT WORDING BUT IT WAS LIKE I HAVE NO INTENTION TO NOT LIVE HERE. SINCE THEN YOUR HOUSES FOR SALE, IT IS STAGED, THERE IS LIMITED STUFF IN THERE AND I KNOW, I'VE GOT CLOSE IN KANSAS CITY FOR WHEN I GO THERE IN THE WINTERTIME BECAUSE I DON'T NEED THE STUFF HERE. I CAN HAVE CLOSE IN TWO PLACES. THE DOMICILE FOR ME, WE HAVE GONE OVER IT. QUITE HONESTLY, WE ADDED IT IN THERE BECAUSE WHEN YOUR WIFE LIVED IN HOUSTON SHE PLAYED THE GAME OF, I GET MAIL HERE ADDRESSES COMPLETELY FREAKING VACANT, THERE WAS NOT EVEN FURNITURE THERE AND SHE GOT BY BECAUSE TECHNICALLY SHE COULD DO THAT.

SO, WE ADDED IN DOMICILE, WHICH IS WHERE YOU INTEND TO PERMANENTLY RESIDE AND IF YOU SIT HERE AND TELL US THAT YOU ARE SELLING YOUR HOUSE AND YOU PLAN ON PERMANENTLY RESIDING IN HUTTO AND YOU NEVER HAD ANY INTENTION OF MOVING TO HOUSTON, WHERE YOUR WIFE AND YOUR NEW FAMILY IS, IF YOU WANT TO LIE TO THE PUBLIC AND DO THAT, THEY'VE HEARD IT BEFORE BUT FOR ME IT IS OBVIOUS WHAT YOUR INTENTION IS. YOU HAVE NOT INTENDED TO LIVE HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD, IT IS A HECK OF A DRIVE FOR FAMILY AND I GET IT, YOU HAVE FAMILY HERE AND YOU ARE DOING SOME KIND OF A GAME AND I'M TIRED OF THE GAMES. I AM TIRED OF YOUR DISTRACTIONS. NEW INFORMATION CAME UP AND THE NEW INFORMATION, FACTUALLY IS THAT IS HOUSES FOR SALE. HE MARRIED HIS WIFE IN HOUSTON , NOT UP FOR DEBATE. HE BOUGHT A BIG HOME IN HOUSTON, NOT UP FOR DEBATE. ALL INDICATIONS TO ME ARE THAT HE DOES NOT INTEND TO PERMANENTLY LIVE IN HUTTO AND HE IS LIVING THERE AND THIS IS A PART-TIME GIG AND WE HAVE ENOUGH COLUMNS IN THIS CITY THAT WE DON'T NEED PART-TIME COUNCILMEMBERS, HALF

THE TIME MR. HE WAS ON TV. >> OKAY , QUESTIONS FOR CITY ATTORNEY? IF I PURCHASE A HOME OUTSIDE OF HUTTO TO THAT DISQUALIFY ME FROM SERVING ON CITY COUNCIL?

>> NO. RECALL THAT I SENT A MEMO OUT WHERE WE ADDRESSED THIS BEFORE AND IF YOU RECALL, COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS WHAT WOULD CONSTITUTE RESIDENCY UNDER THE CHARTER. COUNCIL'S INTERPRETATION. IT COULD BE A DRIVERS LICENSE OR SOME OTHER STATE ISSUED IT IN VACATION, PROPERTY TAX HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION OR RESIDENTIAL LEASE, DECLARATION OF DOMICILE , ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PERSON'S DOMICILE AND HOME LIFE. I DID LOOK AT COUNCILMEMBER CLARK'S DRIVERS LICENSE BUT HE RENEWED , AFTER

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HUTTO. I DID LOOK . >> DO YOU HAVE YOUR LICENSE ON

YOU? >> I DO.

>> CAN I SEE IT. >> IT IS ACTUALLY OUT IN MY CAR.

>> DO YOU MIND GETTING IT? >> CITY ATTORNEY COMING PLEASE

CONTINUE. >> I DON'T WANT TO BE ACCUSED FOR NOT LOOKING BECAUSE I WAS NOT IN OUR PACKET AND I WANT TO

MAKE SURE. >> THE HOMESTEAD IS STILL ON THE PROPERTY AND ALSO THE CASE THAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE MEMO, HE MADE HIS DECLARATION OF DOMICILE AS THE HOME.

>> INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THOSE ITEMS.

>> RIGHT. >> ANOTHER QUESTION. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. DO I HAVE TO SAY THAT I WILL BE PERMANENTLY LIVING IN HUTTO FOREVER , IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SERVE ON THE CITY COUNCIL OR DO I NEED TO LIVE IN HUTTO FOR AS LONG AS

I'M IN MY OFFICE? >> NO, YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR DECLARATION OF DOMICILE , WHICH CAN MEAN I INTEND TO LIVE IN THAT HOUSE AND THAT CAN BE IT UNDER SOME COURT CASES. IN YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE CHARTER YOU LISTED, BY RESOLUTION SOME

OTHER THINGS TO CONSIDER. >> I COULD PURCHASE THE HOME OUTSIDE OF HUTTO, I HAVE A YEAR LEFT ON MY SEAT , FOR PLACE FOUR, I COULD SAY I INTEND ON LIVING IN MY HOUSE IN HUTTO THROUGH THE TIME WHEN I'M ABLE TO SERVE ON MY CITY COUNCIL SEAT AND ONCE I LEAVE , I AM FREE TO MOVE WHEREVER I WANT, BECAUSE I'M NO LONGER BOUND BECAUSE I'M THE LONGER A MEMBER OF THE

CITY COUNCIL, CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>> RIGHT. SO, MAYBE HE CAN ENLIGHTEN US BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER HIM SAYING I INTEND ON LIVING IN HUTTO FOREVER OR .

>> HE SAID HE HAD NO INTENTION OF MOVING AND STAYING IN HUTTO.

>> THROUGH HIS TERM OF OFFICE. THE ONE THAT IS NOT WHAT HE SAID. THAT IS NOT WHAT HE SAID. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A RECESS TO

PULL UP THE AUDIO WE CAN. >> I SAID I WOULD FOR SURE STAY UNTIL MY DAUGHTER GRADUATES AND ELECTION WAS MAY 2ND, I DID NOT RUN FOR RE-ELECTION, AND WENT TO A RUNOFF, WE HAVE UNTIL JUNE 7TH I WILL STILL BE OWNING A HOME AND RESIDING IN HUTTO TO THE TIME OF MY ENTIRE TIME SERVING ON COUNCIL. THIS IS NOT UP FOR

DEBATE. >> ONE LEFT COMMON. HERE'S WHY I DON'T CARE THAT YOU HAVE A DRIVERS LICENSE HERE AND YOUR VOTER I.D. CARD HERE BECAUSE THE ACTIONS YOU HAVE TAKEN AS A COUNCILMEMBER TO DISRESPECT THE OFFICE AND THE PEOPLE, THE

AFFAIR , ALL OF THAT STUFF. >> WOW, POINT OF ORDER. POINT OF

ORDER. I WOULD LIKE THAT CANTED. >> AND I CAN RECANT ANYTHING.

>> WOW, NOW YOU'RE THROWING OUT ALL KINDS OF ACCUSATIONS HERE.

>> WHAT ACCUSATION? >> YOU JUST THROUGHOUT AN

ACCUSATION. >> NAME IT?

>> YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS, MAYOR. SAY IT.

>> THIS IS RIDICULOUS. >> WAIT A MINUTE. THERE IS NO BACK AND FORTH. WHAT THE MAYOR SAY'S PIECE AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING.

>> STAYED IN THE MICROPHONE. >> CAN WE HAVE SOME DECORUM? CAN WE HAVE SOME DECORUM ? CAN WE HAVE SOME DECORUM? CAN WE HAVE

SOME DECORUM? >> POINT OF ORDER. COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP THIS STARE DOWN, OKAY, WE'VE HAD A BEFORE AND IT JUST CAUSES ISSUES.

>> MAYOR, WHAT YOU MEAN WHEN YOU CALLED ME A LOSER JUST NOW?

>> I SAID THIS IS A LOSING THING.

>> WHAT YOU MEAN BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID. THIS IS NOT A LOSING THING. YOU JUST TURN TO ME AND SAID, LOSER. WHAT YOU

MEAN BY THAT? >> 100% THIS IS A LOSING THING BECAUSE YOU ARE DEBATING EIGHT ON ANYONE TO TALK ABOUT YOU, YOU DEMAND FAX AND THEN YOU GET OFFENDED IF PEOPLE START TALKING ABOUT THE FACTS AND YOU MAKE OUT THINGS, IF YOU SAY YOU'RE MAKING ACCUSATIONS, WHAT WERE THE ACCUSATIONS? I'VE GIVEN NOTHING BUT FACTS. NOTHING BUT FACTS. I'VE MET WITH THIS MAN, WE HAD A BURGER AND A BEER IN HALL OF FAME.

>> NOTED THAT HAS ANYTHING TO WITH MY RESIDENCY.

>> HAS TO DO WITH TRUSTING YOU. TRUST YOUR WORD AND BELIEVE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND I'M TELLING YOU THAT I CANNOT BELIEVE A PERSON WHO HAS LIED TO ME MULTIPLE TIMES, LIE TO THE PEOPLE MULTIPLE TIMES , I DON'T CARE WHAT ANY OF YOUR

INFORMATION SAYS. >> AS YOU HAVE.

>> COMMON SENSE YOU DIDN'T DO ALL THE STUFF IN HOUSTON IN HARRIS COUNTY TO BE LIVING IN HUTTO. IT IS AMAZING WE ARE DEBATING THIS BUT THIS IS THE SAME COUNCIL THAT IS , THEY HAVE DEBATED MULTIPLE ITEMS THAT ARE SHOCKING TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE

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LIKE COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD SAID . SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT

ABOUT ACCUSATIONS. >> WHAT ACCUSATION THAT I MAKE?

>> I SAID YOU CAN SAY WHAT I SAID ABOUT ACCUSATIONS, I AM TELLING YOU FACTUAL THINGS. YOU THINK THIS PERTAINS THE CONVERSATION BUT I AND THE PUBLIC ARE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING AND I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU DO.

>> THEY ARE FACTS, MY VOTER REGISTRATION, IS HUTTO, DRIVER'S LICENSES HUTTO MY DAUGHTER ATTENDS HUTTO HIGH

SCHOOL. THESE ARE ALL FACTS. >> THOUGH SOME LIKE DPS ISSUES BECAUSE IF YOU LIVE IN HARRIS COUNTY.

>> I'M NOT LIVING IN. >> YOU GOT 30 DAYS TO CHANGE IT.

YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT TO THEM. EVEN THE WAY YOU DO YOUR HOMESTEAD AND STUFF. LOOK. I THINK WE GET PAID TOO MUCH MONEY AS A COUNCILMEMBER PEOPLE TO DRIVE BACK. FOR YOU AND YOUR WIFE TO DRIVE BACK TO GET PAID, I DON'T GET IT IT IS IT IS A DRIVE AND PROBABLY NOT EVEN WORTH THE GAS AND TOLLS BUT I GET IT.

>> I AM NOT DOING THAT. >> OKAY. ONE LAST THING, WHEN THE U-HAUL WAS OVER THERE, A MONTH AGO, WHENEVER IT WAS AND EVERYBODY SENT ME A PICTURE, RANDALL IS MOVING OUT OF HIS

HOUSE >> YOU MEAN BECAUSE YOU HAD ONE YOUR HENCHMEN DRIVE BY MY HOUSE EVERYDAY?

>> NO, YOU GOT PEOPLE COME BY YOUR HOUSE EVERYDAY?

>> YOU DO, TO COME BY MY HOUSE PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY.

>> IT IS LIKE . >> THIS IS THE INTIMIDATION OF THE MAYOR PEOPLE, I HOPE YOU SEE WHAT HE IS. THE MOMENT , HE CANNOT EVEN HAVE A BEER FOR ONE MORE COUNCIL MEETING AND ASKED TO TRY TO MAKE IT AN ISSUE BECAUSE IF ANYONE DESCENDS AGAINST HIM, THAT IS NOT DEMOCRACY. IT IS NOT. IF ANYONE DISPUTES HIM HE ATTACKS YOU, SOCIALLY, ON SOCIAL MEDIA. HE HAS OTHER PEOPLE ATTACK YOU, COME AFTER YOU , INTIMIDATE YOU, YOU HAVE HEARD OTHER PEOPLE DO IT. HE DOES IT. HE DOES THESE

THINGS. HE DOES. >> YOU LIKE THIS STUFF.

>> I DON'T LIKE IT. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? SORRY. I

WAS JUST LETTING HIM FINISH. >> HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL.

HOW MANY VOTES COME I SEE IN THE CITY CHARTER IT TAKES FIVE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES TO REMOVE A COUNCILMEMBER, IS THAT CORRECT

OR NOT CORRECT? >> YES .5 VOTES.

>> THAT IS FOR AN EXPRESS CHARTER ISSUE, RIGHT?

>> YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE COTS . >> RESIDENCY AND EXPRESS PROHIBITION FIVE, THEN NOT CORRECT?

>> CAN GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT FROM LEGAL?

>> LET ME LOOK, JUST A SECOND. >> MAY I ASK , COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD? OKAY, COUNCILMEMBER CLARK, IS YOUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE STILL HUTTO?

>> YES. >> DO YOU INTEND TO MOVE OUT OF HUTTO AFTER TERM OF OFFICE IS COMPLETE?

>> YES. >> MAY I ASK A QUESTION?

>> YES. >> IS YOUR RESIDENCE IN HUTTO , DOESN'T MATCH WHAT IS ON YOUR LICENSE AND YOUR PAPERWORK?

>> YES. IT DOES. IT IS A SMALL TOWN.

>> A VERY SMALL TOWN. >> YOU HAVE PROOF THAT IT DOES

NOT? >> COURT OF LAW, NO.

>> CHARTER IS NOT EXACTLY CLEAR. WHEN YOU FORFEIT YOUR OFFICE YOU FAILED TO MAINTAIN THE QUALIFICATIONS, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON. DID COUNCILMEMBER CLARK FAILED TO MAINTAIN THE QUALIFICATIONS ? BUT IT ALSO SAYS, HAS BEEN FOUND BY THE AFFIRMATIVE VOTE TO HAVE VIOLATED ANY EXPRESSED PROHIBITION OF THIS CHARTER. YOU COULD INTERPRET FAILING TO MAINTAIN THE QUALIFICATIONS , THAT IS LIKE , YOU HAVE TO DO THAT. YOU COULD SAY IT REQUIRES FIVE .

>> INSTEAD OF COULD YOU BETTER TELL US WHAT HAS TO BE.

>> IT IS THE COUNCIL INTERPRETING THE CHARTER. IT IS WHETHER YOU BELIEVE THAT FAILING TO MAINTAIN THE QUALIFICATIONS , IF YOU DID NOT DO THAT, IF THAT WOULD BE AN EXPRESS PROHIBITION WHICH WOULD REQUIRE FIVE VOTES. ALL RIGHT, ARE WE DONE DEBATING?

>> I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS. BACK TO PREVIOUS PUBLIC COMMON ON TWO ITEMS , HOW THESE ITEMS ARE HELPING OUR CITY . I AGREE WITH THAT. WE NEED TO BE WORKING TOGETHER AS A COUNCIL AND NOT BEING DIVIDED APPEAR , GETTING WORK DONE , WORKING WITH STAFF,

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>> ONE LAST QUESTION. HOW MANY NIGHTS A MONTH DO YOU STAY IN

HOUSTON? >> NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. AND I

DO NOT KNOW, THAT IS PERSONAL . >> WAIT A MINUTE.

>> IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. >> SO, IF YOU SPEND 28 NIGHTS A MONTH IN HOUSTON AND TWO NIGHTS HERE THAN I WOULD SAY YOU ARE

DOMICILED IN HOUSTON. >> I AM HERE EVERY SCHOOL DAY TO TAKE MY DAUGHTER TO SCHOOL BECAUSE SHE LIVES WITH ME AND I HER CUSTODIAL PARENT, SO, EVERY DAY THE SCHOOL IS IN SESSION I AM HERE WHEN SHE COMES AND GOES TO SCHOOL, BECAUSE I AM HER CUSTODIAL PARENT, TO HUTTO HIGH SCHOOL. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS DIFFICULT . I CANNOT JUST LIVE IN HOUSTON AND HAVE A DAUGHTER ATTEND HUTTO HIGH SCHOOL EVERY DAY, THAT DOES NOT WORK. OKAY? I DON'T DRIVE THREE HOURS EVERYDAY BACK AND FORTH FROM HUTTO. I LIVE IN HUTTO , I GIVE MY OTHER KIDS DAYS OF THE WEEK, SOMETIMES WE ARE IN HUTTO ALL OF THE TIME, LIKE ALL THROUGH THE WEEKEND, SOMETIMES I TAKE A WEEKEND ON MY RANCH AND I GO TO SEE MY PARENTS WERE ELDERLY. IT IS NOT NECESSARILY HOUSTON, I DO NOT JUST COUNT THE DAYS, I ALSO WENT TO INDIA FOR WORK TRIP FOR A WEEK AND I WAS ONE OF THE TIMES I WAS VIRTUAL ON COUNCIL FROM INDIA. SO , YOU KNOW .

>> CLARIFICATION QUESTION. YOUR INTENT TO RETURN TO YOUR HOME IN HUTTO LAST TWO YEAR TERM OF OFFICE, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. >> QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. BASED ON THE COMMENT MADE BY COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR, THE INTENT TO RETURN, DOES THAT APPLY WHILE YOU ARE A

COUNCILMEMBER? LET'S SAY . >> CASE LAW INDICATES THAT ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY IS MY DOMICILE IS WHEREVER YOU'RE GOING TO SAY YOUR HOUSES THAT YOU ARE DOMICILED IN. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO DO, SOMETIMES YOU CAN BE TEMPORARILY OUT OF A PLACE BUT, LET'S SAY I INTEND TO RETURN , I DON'T THIS IS THE CASE. HE CLEARLY HAS SAID HE'S DOMICILED IN HUTTO.

>> SO, PER YOUR OPINION HE HAS MET ALL OF THE CONDITIONS AND

MORE? >> AND THE ONES THAT YOU SET

FORTH IN YOUR RESOLUTION. >> THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE GOING TO STAY TO THE END OF YOUR TERM?

>> CORRECT. >> WHICH WAS LAST WEEK.

>> IT WOULD'VE BEEN. >> NO, NO, NO.

>> THERE IS NO HOLDOVER. >> THERE IS NO HOLDOVER FOR THE RUNOFF. COUNCILMEMBER CLARK AND COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR ARE STILL THE ELECTED IN OFFICE, SERVING AS THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, UNTIL THEY RUN OFF AND COUNCILMEMBER CLARK WILL NO LONGER BECAUSE HE'S NOT DISSIPATING IN THE RUNOFF AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR AFTER THAT DATE AND WE WILL NOT .

>> BASICALLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT YOU FEEL LIKE HE HAS

GIVEN ENOUGH INFORMATION. >> I LOOKED AT HIS PAPERWORK AGAIN AND HE MEETS THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU ALL SET FORTH IN YOUR RESOLUTION INTERPRETING THE CHARTER.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO CONFIRM THE RESIDENCY OF COUNCILMEMBER

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>> SECOND. >> MOTIONED BY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> WE STILL HAVE THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO REMOVE .

>> THAT ITEM ONE AWAY WITH THE POINT OF ORDER .

>> I THOUGHT THE POINT OF ORDER WAS SEPARATE.

>> THAT IS WHAT WE THOUGHT . >> IF WE HAVE TO DO THAT IT IS FINE. WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, CITY ATTORNEY. IF WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THE ORIGINAL MOTION IF THAT DID NOT GO AWAY.

>> A ONE AWAY BY THE POINT OF ORDER.

>> THAT IS HOW I UNDERSTOOD IT. >> YOU CAN REPHRASE YOUR MOTION TO MAKE IT THE SAME , IF YOU WANT TO.

>> I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE HIM, THUMBNAILS WANTS TO

MAKE THAT MOTION . >> I WOULD GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THE MOTION SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. SECONDED BY

COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. >> A MOTION TO CONFIRM THE RESIDENCY OF RANDAL CLARK, COUNCILMEMBER PLACE THREE , PER THE EVIDENCE THAT HE PROVIDED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. OF MEETING

ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. >> WHO WILL BE DOING THE

CONFIRMATION? >> SURETY HAS.

>> GOT IT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? >> AYE.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? >> AYE.

>> TRENT INSIDER? >> NAY.

>> MOTION PASSES, 5-2. GOD, THAT TOOK AN HOUR. HERE WE GO, BUCKLE

[13.2. Discussion and possible action on City Council Place 5 regarding compliance with Resolution R-2023-022 and Section 3.02 of the Hutto City Charter; declaring Council Place 5 per Section 3.06(a) and 3.06(b)(1) of the Hutto City Charter vacant for failure of Council Member for Place 5 to meet the qualifications of office; and if necessary, removal from Office and Boards and Commissions. (Councilmember Clark)]

COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? >> POINT OF ORDER , IF I COULD.

>> I WAS ON THE PREVAILING SIDE LAST TIME.

>> HOLD ON. >> LET HIM SPEAK.

>> I WAS SHOCKED ON THE AGENDA ITEM CAME OUT ON FRIDAY WITH ME ON HERE WITH ONE MORE TERM AND I WAS LIKE, NOTHING HAS CHANGED, NONE OF THE EVIDENCE HAS CHANGED.

>> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU. >> I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHY

PUT THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA. >> WE NEED TO KNOW THE ISSUE.

>> THE ISSUE IS SINCE THE LAST TIME THIS ITEM WAS CONSIDERED HIS HOUSE DID SELL AND I ASKED THE CITY SECRETARY, HAS EVIDENCE BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU SHOWING HIS NEW RESIDENCY IN THE CITY OF HATO AND I WAS TOLD THAT HAS NOT BEEN GIVEN. NONE OF THE PIECES OF EVIDENCE THAT WERE LISTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY HAVE BEEN PROVIDED BY COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD AFTER HE MOVED.

THEREFORE I WANTED IT TO BE KNOWN THAT HE HAS THAT EVIDENCE AND CAN PROVIDE TO THE CITY SECRETARY, SO HE HAS ALL THE INFORMATION. I'M ASSUMING HE DOES BUT THAT IS WHY I BROUGHT

THE ITEM. >> OKAY.

>> HAVE YOU PROVIDED THAT EVIDENCE TO THE CITY SECRETARY?

>> YOU HAVE THE ITEM, NOW WE NEED ACTION .

>> A MOTION TO REQUEST NEEDED ITEMS.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR TO REQUEST NEEDED ITEMS.

>> AS PER THE RESOLUTION OF ESTABLISHING RESIDENCY.

>> HOLD ON, SHE MADE THE MOTION. >> THE CAN WE MAKE IT AS PER THE ORDINANCE THAT DEFINED DOCUMENTATION. THE RESOLUTION

FOR THE DOCUMENTATION. >> ALL RIGHT, DISCUSSION ON THE

MOTION. >> DID YOU ACCEPT THAT?

>> YES. >> DOTTIE, CAN YOU READ FOR THE COUNCIL WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE OR WHAT IT SAYS?

>> THE RESOLUTION SAYS IT COULD BE THE DRIVERS LICENSE, VOTER REGISTRATION, HOMESTEAD OR RENTAL LEASE , THOSE ARE SOME OF

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WHAT THE RESOLUTION SAYS. >> BUT BEFORE THAT DOES IT SAY

INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO? >> LET ME PULL UP THE

RESOLUTION. >> POINT OF PRIVILEGE, POINT OF INFORMATION --

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY. THEY ARE ALL ON 13.3. FOR FUTURE REFERENCE , IF THEY HAVE AN ISSUE, LET'S LET THEM BRING IT UP , YOU'RE JUST A SPECTATOR, RESIDENT, CONCERNED CITIZEN AT

THIS POINT. >> I DON'T SEE THE WORDS INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, IT'S JUST AS FOR THE PURPOSES OF MAINTAIN THE QUALIFICATIONS OF OFFICE AS REQUIRED BY THE CITY CHARTER, SECTION 3.02 AND 306 B1 A PERSON SHALL RESIDE IF THE PERSON INTENDS THAT THE PERSON'S DOMICILE IS THE PERSON'S HOME AND FIX PLACE OF HABITATION, THE PERSON TO INTENDS TO RETURN AFTER TEMPORARY ABSENCES THE PERSON'S RESIDENCE ADDRESS WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE CITY AND SUCH INTENT IS SUPPORTED BY FACTUAL EVIDENCE. AND THAT IS WHERE IT SAYS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO VALID, UNEXPIRED VOTER REGISTRATION, THE DRIVERS LICENSE OR STATE ISSUED IDENTIFICATION CERTIFICATE, WITH THE RESIDENCE ADDRESS , PROPERTY TAX RECEIPTS, CLAIMING A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION FOR THE RESIDENCE , CURRENT RESIDENTIAL RENTAL HE LEASE AGREEMENT, DECLARATION OF DOMICILE OR OTHER ACTIVITIES INDICATED ASSOCIATED WITH PERSONS DOMICILE AND HOME LIFE. TEMPORARY ABSENCES ON THE RESIDENCE MAY BE FOR TEMPORARY PURPOSES WITH THE INTENT TO RETURN. SO, MOST OF WHAT IS IN THE RESOLUTION COMES FROM SOME OF THE CASES DISCUSSING RESIDENCY.

>> WHAT IS YOUR LEGAL OPINION OF THE WORDS DECLARATION OF

DOMICILE? >> THAT IS USED IN COURT CASES AND IT IS AS SIMPLE AS, THIS IS MY DOMICILE , I INTEND TO LIVE HERE, OR I LIVE HERE, THIS IS MY DOMICILE. THAT IS ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY. IN CERTAIN COURT CASES THAT IS SUFFICIENT.

>> YOU HAVE NOT SAID THAT YOU? >> PRETTY SURE I HAVE.

>> WHAT ABOUT LEGAL PAPERWORK THAT COUNCIL HAS THE FILE? WOULD

THAT BE INCLUDED? >> IN THE STATEMENT OF DOMICILE?

THE COURT DOES NOT SAY THAT. >> IT DOES NOT STATE THAT. I COULD PUT ANY ADDRESS THERE ? SPECULATION.

>> YOU CAN SAY YOUR DOMICILE IS WHEREVER YOU ARE SAYING YOUR DOMICILE IS AND IF YOU COULD NOT PROVE OTHERWISE THROUGH A COURT CASE THEN THE COURT WOULD ACCEPT.

>>

DECLARE DOMICILE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN I SAID THE SAME STATEMENT THAT WAS NOT A GOOD ENOUGH BURDEN OF PROOF FOR SOMEONE WHO'S ADVERSARIAL TO THEM MAYOR ON THE COUNCIL, WE HAD A ONE HOUR DEBATE BUT SOMEONE WAS IN FAVOR OF THE MAYOR CAN JUST SAY, I LIVE HERE AND THEY GET A 7-0 VOTE. THE DOUBLE STANDARD IS PRETTY ABSURD AND THAT WAS THE OTHER REASON I BROUGHT HERE IS TO SEE THE HYPOCRISY FROM THREE

COUNCILMEMBERS APPEAR. >> ONE, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU. HE HAS NOT ENGAGED IN A CAMPAIGN OF LYING , CHEATING AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO MAKE PEOPLE TRUST EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM. HE HAS DONE NOTHING THAT I KNOW --

>> WHY CANNOT PROVIDE THE DOCUMENTATION HE PUT IN THE

RESOLUTION, MAYOR? >> HE CAN . BUT YOU ON THE OTHER HAND, SINCE YOUR BRINGING UP A COMPARISON AND YOU KEEP HAVING ME. WE JUST HAD A MOTION ABOUT PROVIDING THE DOCUMENTATION HE STARTED ASKING, DO I HAVE TO DO THAT?

>> WE HAVE NOT EVEN VOTED ON IT YET. SO. LET EVERYBODY ELSE HAVE A TALK BUT YOU KEEP MAKING THESE THINGS, IS ADHOCRACY BUT YOU ARE THE ONE THAT SOILED THE SEAT OF HUTTO. HE HAS NOT AND THAT HAS CAUSED QUESTIONS. SORRY. IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE QUESTIONS, MAKE BETTER DECISIONS AND PEOPLE WILL NOT QUESTION WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

BUT FIVE PEOPLE VOTED TO KEEP YOU HERE AND NOW YOU ARE MAD AT ME FOR VOTING TO KEEP YOU HERE, I SHOULD'VE VOTED NO. I MEAN.

>> THE MOTION IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PROVIDE SOME ITEM, EITHER A DECLARATION , AN I.D. , TAXING , A LEASE , THAT IS THE

MOTION. >> YES. DECLARATION OF DOMICILE

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DECLARATION OF DOMICILE. >> I MADE THE SAME DECLARATION

HE DID LAST TIME. >> THE ONE YOU ARE COMPLAINING

ABOUT. >> HE STILL OWNS HIS PROPERTY AND HAS A VALID DRIVERS LICENSE AND ALL OF THESE THINGS.

>> WE JUST NEED UPDATED DOCUMENTS I GUESS. I DON'T KNOW.

>> CALLED THE VOTE. >> ARE WE DONE?

>> I DON'T KNOW. >> PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD? >> AYE.

>> MAYOR SATYR? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? >> AYE.

>> MOTION PASSES, 7-0. >> UNFORTUNATELY I THINK WE ARE DONE WITH THIS ITEM BECAUSE EMOTION WAS FOR THEM TO PROVIDE THE PROOF, WHICH HE HAS NOT PROVIDED YET, DOES THIS HAVE TO COME BACK NEXT MEETING? PLEASE, TELL ME KNOW.

>> UP TO YOU, DO YOU WANT TO BRING IT BACK UP NEXT MEETING? DO NOT ACT ON AN ITEM, ROBERTS RULES , I AM NOT A PRO BUT IF WE DO NOT ACT ON THE ITEM IT IS DONE.

>> IF YOU WANT TO BRING IT UP AT THE NEXT MEETING I WOULD ADDRESS IT DURING FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS NOT NOW.

>> BUT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT IF YOU PROVIDE THE INFORMATION TO THE CITY SECRETARY SOMETIME BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN WE RECEIVE AS A COUNCIL SOME KIND OF CONFIRMATION THAT WE GOT

IT. GOOD ENOUGH. >> ALEXANDER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS IF COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD PROVIDES INFORMATION ON HIS DOMICILE AND RESIDENCY IN HUTTO , PRIOR TO THE POSTING OF THE AGENDA THAN THE ITEM WILL NOT BE BROUGHT BACK BUT IF HE DOES NOT

THEN YOU COULD PUT IT BACK. >> I WOULD RECOMMEND PUTTING YOURSELF ON THE AGENDA, I'VE DONE IT A FEW TIMES AND IT WORKS IN YOUR FAVOR , USUALLY, THAT WITH THE QUESTIONS CAN GO AWAY AND WE CAN VOTE TO KEEP YOU OR GET RID OF YOU. OTHERWISE THE BEHIND THE SCENES STUFF, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T SEE IT BUT THAT

IS YOUR CALL, OR YOUR CALL. >> I DON'T SEE IT BEHIND THE SCENES, I SEE IT AS IF COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD, EXCUSE ME, YOU WANT TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> DO NOT ADDRESS THE PUBLIC. WHEN SHE'S ADDRESSING ME, I

CANNOT ADDRESS HER BACK? >> YOU CAN IGNORE IT.

>> ALL RIGHT, SORRY. SO, IF COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD PROVIDES, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION THAT IS COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD PROVIDES THE EVIDENCE THAT WAS JUST REQUESTED IN THE PREVIOUS MOTION PRIOR TO THE CUT OFF OF THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT WE DO NOT NEED TO BRING

THIS UP AGAIN. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION BY MORE PER TIM GORDON SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK.

>> A DISCUSSION? >> I WILL VOTE FOR IT, I DON'T

KNOW WHY WE ARE DOING IT. >> BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BRING IT BACK AGAIN, I WANT TO BE DONE WITH THIS.

>>

>> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? >> AYE POINT

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? >> AYE.

>> MAYOR SATYR? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK ? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD? >> AYE.

[13.3. Discussion and possible action regarding Nature Trails along Riverwalk, Creekside, Glenwood and Cross Creek neighborhoods, including any other trails located on City of Hutto land or built on other lands within the City of Hutto and consideration of any approvals, denials and other actions related there to. (Mayor Snyder)]

>> MOTION PASSES, 7-0. ITEM 13.3, DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING NATURE TRAILS ALONG RIVERWALK, CREEKSIDE, GLENWOOD AND CROSS CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD, INCLUDING ANY OTHER TRAILS LOCATED ON CITY OF HUTTO LANDOR BILLS AND OTHER LANDS WITHIN THE CITY OF HUTTO IN CONSIDERATION OF ANY APPROVALS, DENIALS AND OTHER ACTIONS RELATED THERETO. WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK , CITY COUNCIL IS ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS, YOU MAY GO . YOU MAY GO PAST THREE MINUTES.

IF I HAVE THIS RIGHT. OKAY. WE HAVE BRANDON DAILEY GIVING THEIR TIME TO GABRIEL GLENDA AND DANA LIVELY DONATING HER TIME TO GABRIEL GLENDA AND THEN WE HAVE GABRIEL GLENDA .

>> HOW MANY MINUTES OF THAT? >> NINE.

>> OKAY , COOL. >> MAYOR SNYDER, WARD MEMBERS

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ADDITIONALLY THE RIVERWALK HOA BOARD OF DIRECTORS INTERESTED TO DISCUSS WITH THE CITY THE POSSIBILITY OF -- OVER THE CREEKSIDE PROPERTIES WERE TO BE USED FOR TRAILS AND PARKS. AT NO TIME HAS THERE EVER BEEN A DISCUSSION AMONG THE TRINITY BOARD OF DIRECTORS ON DEALING ANY LAND AMONG THE CREEK. THE ONLY DISCUSSION REGARDING THE LAND HAS TAKEN PLACE AFTER THEY WERE TREATED AND AFTER THE HOA CONTROL WAS TURNED OVER TO THE RESIDENCE. THESE HAVE BEEN LIMITED TO THE TRAILS BEING CREATED AND HOW TO NOW MAINTAIN THE TRAILS. IN THE LETTER HE STATES HE BEGAN TO CLEAR WALKING PASS ON THE 19 ACRE PLOT OWNED BY RIVER ROCK HOA IN DECEMBER 2022. THIS IS ONE YEAR PRIOR TO THE HOMEOWNER CONTROLLED HOA. IT WAS NOT APPROVED BY THE HOMEOWNER TRINITY REPRESENTED US. IN CHECKING WITH MINUTES FROM DR HORTON BOARD MEETINGS, THERE IS NO MENTION OF THEM GIVING PERMISSION AS WELL. HE ALSO STATED THAT HE ASKED THE CITY FOR PERMISSION TO CONTINUE THE NATUROPATH ALONG THE CREEK UP TO THE HIGHWAY 65 BRIDGE THROUGH CITY-OWNED PROPERTY. HE STATED THEY GAVE HIM PERMISSION. ON DECEMBER 2ND, 2024 AN EMAIL SENT TO THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION IN WHICH HE REQUESTED AN ITEM TO BE ADDED TO THE CITY OF HUTTO PARKS ADVISORY BOARD MEETING ON DECEMBER 11, 2024. THE ITEM HE WANTED TO ADD WAS DISCUSSION AND ACTION ON ASSUMING OWNERSHIP OF THE 19.46 ACRES OWNED BY THE RIVERWALK COMMUNITY ALONG THE CREEK. THERE WAS NEVER ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE BOARD REGARDING THE SALE OR TRANSFER OF RIVERWALK PROPERTY. ON DECEMBER 4TH, 24 OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD SENT HIM AN EMAIL THAT STATED IN PART, EACH MEMBER THAT NEITHER YOU OR ANY INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBER IS AUTHORIZED TO ENGAGE THE CITY OR ANY OTHER ENTITY REGARDING THE SALE OF HOA PROPERTY WITHOUT THE AGREEMENT OF THE FULL BOARD. THE SAME DAY HE RESPONDED BY SAYING IN MY CAPACITY AS A MEMBER OF THE CITY OF HUTTO ADVISORY BOARD I DO NOT NEED THE HOA BOARDS APPROVAL TO PROPOSE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CITY'S POSSIBLE ACQUISITION OF THE RIVERWALK CREEKSIDE PROPERTY. HE STATED HIS TERM ON THE HOA EXPIRED OCTOBER 30 AND HE RESIGNED FROM THE RIVERWALK HOA BOARD. HE WAS ELECTED FOR A ONE-YEAR TERM EXPIRING OCTOBER 30TH, 2024. AT THE ANNUAL MEETING TO ELECT NEW MEMBERS THE COURT WAS NOT MET TO CONDUCT BUSINESS. THE BOARD CONTINUES TO SERVE UNTIL AN ELECTION CAN BE HELD. THERE WAS NO PERMISSION GIVEN BY ANY BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR ANY RESIDENT TO GO TO THE LAND TO START CLEARING BRUSHES, TREES AND ESTABLISHING A TRAIL SYSTEM. I HAVE HEARD THE ARGUMENT THAT THE LAND BELONGS TO RIVERWALK AND IT SHOULD NOT MATTER PERMISSION WAS GIVEN OR NOT, THAT IS AKIN TO GOING TO ONE OF OUR CITY PARKS AND PLOWING A BMX TRACK SUBMISSION BECAUSE THE PARK BELONGS TO THE CITY AND I AM A CITIZEN OF THE CITY. THERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY PERMISSION SHOULD'VE BEEN SOUGHT OUT. ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, LIABILITY CONCERNS AND OTHER ISSUES THAT MAY HAVE COME UP. AFTER THE TRAILS WERE CREATED RESIDENT STARTED WALKING THE TRAILS AND GOT POSITIVE FEEDBACK AND BOARD MEETINGS.

UNFORTUNATELY STARTED GETTING EMAILS FROM RESIDENTS WITH CONCERNS. DURING THE MAY 4TH, 24 ELECTION FOR CITY COUNCIL HAD RESIDENT ASKING FOR US TO STOP MR. DENENA FROM ADVERTISING THE TRAILS. QUESTIONS WERE POSED SUCH AS, WHY IS HE USING THE TRAILS FOR HIS AGENDA? IS THE RIVERWALK AGENDIZE ENDORSING MR. DENENA? ARE THE TRAILS CITY PROPERTY WERE RIVERWALK'S? WHOSE INSURANCE IS LIABLE IF AN INCIDENT OCCURS ON RIVERWALK PROPERTY? WHOSE LEGAL JURISDICTION COVERS IT? HOW MUCH WILL IT COST US IN INSURANCE? NEVADA RESIDENTS DEMANDING CLEAR-CUT ANSWERS TO WHAT LIABILITY THESE TRAILS HOLD AND WHO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR INJURIES OCCUR. IT IS BROUGHT TO ATTENTION THE TRAILS ARE BEING ADVERTISED AND I INFORMED MR.

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THIS WAS MET WITH HOSTILE RESPONSES LED TO HIM LEAVING THE WORKING SESSION, HE CAME BACK LATER AND WAS UPSET AT WHAT HE FELT WAS HIM BEING AMBUSHED. IT WAS REQUESTED THAT WHEN SPEAKING ABOUT THE TRAILS THAT HE SPECIFIES THE ONES ON RIVERWALK PROPERTY WERE PRIVATE AND NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, HE REFUSED TO STATE UNTIL A FACEBOOK POST ON MAY 5TH. MR. DENENA MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE MENTIONED RIVER TRAILS IN HIS VIDEOS BUT HE INSINUATED ENOUGH THAT RIVERWALK RESIDENTS WILL NEED TO CONTACT US. THE VIDEOS LED TO THE SUDDEN INFLUX OF NONRESIDENTS, THIS HAS CAUSED ISSUES. FIRST OF ALL, LIABILITY BECAUSE THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY AND IF SOMEONE GETS HURT BY AN ACCIDENT OR BY SOMEBODY ELSE'S OPENS UP LAWSUITS. WE ALREADY HAD AN INCIDENT WHERE A MAN BROUGHT A BLANKET AND A PILLOW TO SIT BY THE POOL AND GOOGLED THE TEENAGE POOL MONITOR TO THE POINT SHE WAS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. SHE CALLED HER PARENTS AND EVENTUALLY THE POLICE WERE CALLED TO REMOVE THEM, HE WAS NOT A RESIDENT OF RIVERWALK. SINCE WORD HAS GONE OUT THE TRAILS WERE CREATED WE NOW PEOPLE CAMPING OVERNIGHT, MOTORCYCLE ZIPPING THROUGH THE TRAILS, TRASH BEING DUMPED. WE EVEN HAD A PICKUP TRUCK WITH A TRAILER OFFLOADING ON A PORTION THAT WAS RIGHT ENOUGH. AS RECENTLY AS THIS MONDAY WE RECEIVED A CALL ABOUT A MOTORCYCLIST ON THE TRAIL. THIS IS A DANGEROUS SITUATION AS WE HAVE FAMILIES WALK THE TRAILS.

ONE RESIDENT EMAILED US TO SAY SHE WAS FOLLOWED AND HARASSED BY A STRANGER. ANOTHER STATED SHE NO LONGER PARTICIPATES IN WORKOUT THAT HOWARD NORMAN ELEMENTARY DUE TO BEING FOLLOWED AND HARASSED. A PORTION OF THESE CREATED TRAILS NOW RUN BEHIND HOMES THAT WERE PURCHASED IN PART FOR THE SECLUDED WOODED AREAS BEHIND HOMES. THESE HOMES HAVE IRON FENCES, NOT PRIVACY FENCES, NOW RESIDENTS ARE NOT ALONG THEIR CHILDREN TO PLAY ALONE IN THEIR OWN BACKYARDS. ONE RESIDENT HAS A BACKYARD POOL DOESN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE LETTING THEIR GOALS SWIM IN THEIR OWN POOL. NOW SINCE THE GENIE HAS BEEN LET OUT OF THE BOTTLE THE AGENDIZE HABITAT DATA COVERAGE TO THE INSURANCE PLAN AT AN ADDED COST. OUR INSURANCE COMPANY HAS HAD US ADD NO TRESPASSING SIGNS TO MITIGATE POSSIBLE LOSSES IN CASE OF A LAWSUIT. THE ADDED INSURANCE AND SCIENCE HAVE BEEN INSTALLED AT A SIGNIFICANT COST TO THE HOA. WE'VE ABSORBED THE COST SO FAR.

THE TRAILS ARE VERY NICE AND I DON'T WISH TO SPEAK AGAINST THEM, THEIR FAMILIES AND INDIVIDUALS THAT UTILIZE THEM TO GET OUT INTO NATURE, HOWEVER THE MANNER IN WHICH THEY WERE CREATED AND THE PUBLICITY GENERATED FOR THE HAVE CAUSED ISSUES FOR THE RIVERWALK COMMUNITY. I AM NOT ADVOCATING CHARGES BEING BROUGHT UP AGAINST MR. DENENA, I JUST WANTED TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND STOP ADVERTISING THE TRAILS AS PUBLIC PROPERTY. THE KEY FOR YOUR TIME AND I HOPE THIS CLEARS UP THE QUESTIONS AND RUMORS WERE GUARDING THE RIVERWALK TRAILS.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. I LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION. IS IT CORRECT THAT SOMEONE ON YOUR BOARD OR YOU OR SOMEONE HAS HAD PREVIOUSLY REACHED OUT TO A MEMBER OR MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE LAST MONTH OR SO? A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO OR MORE?

>> IT WHILE BACK WE HAD , IT WAS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION, MR. JEFF WHITE , MYSELF AND THE PRESIDENT SAT DOWN AND WE KIND OF GOT A PROPOSAL AND WE FOUND OUT IT IS NOT JUST US , THERE ARE TWO OR THREE OTHER PEOPLE THAT OWN PROPERTY AND WE ARE NOT JUST TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE THE PROPERTY OVER, WE DON'T KNOW ANYONE ELSE IS GOING TO EITHER AND THAT WOULD BE A MOOT POINT ANYWAY SINCE THEY WOULD NEED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES.

>> A POINT OF ORDER. HAVE A QUESTION. THIS IS A PUBLIC COMMENT, CORRECT? WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO ENGAGE WITH PEOPLE

MAKING PUBLIC COMMENT? >> ON THE ITEM YOU CAN.

>> I LITERALLY STARTED OFF BY SAYING YOU MAY BE ASKED

QUESTIONS. >> SORRY.

>> ALL RIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? BECOMING MEMBERS ARE

ON YOUR BOARD? >> FIVE MEMBERS.

>> FIVE MEMBERS AND THOSE ARE ALL RESIDENTS OR ?

>> ALL RESIDENTS. FULL RESIDENTIAL CONTROL NOW.

>> OKAY. ALL RESIDENTS. IN HER STATEMENT BECAUSE YOU PROVIDED THIS BEFORE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PROVIDING THAT. HE SAID THERE WAS AN ANNUAL MEETING AFTER THE ONE-YEAR TERM HAD EXPIRED. SO, NOVEMBER 1ST, THERE WAS A LACK OF THE CORE, HAVE YOU ALL SENSE BEEN ABLE TO CONDUCT BUSINESS?

>> YES. >> HOW OFTEN DO YOU MEET?

>> WE HAVE AN ANNUAL MEETING AND THAT IS WHERE BUDGET STUFF , BUDGETING AND EVERYTHING AND THEN WE HAVE SPORADIC MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR IN WHICH WE LET THE MEMBERS KNOW THEY CAN

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>> WENT TO THE ANNUAL MEETING OCCUR?

>> OCTOBER EVERY YEAR. >> OKAY. AND TYPICALLY WITH THE SPORADIC MEETINGS, HOW OFTEN ? IS IT INCONSISTENT?

>> IT IS NOT REGULARLY SCHEDULED. IT IS MAINLY WHEN THERE IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS ADDRESSING.

>> OKAY. WOULD IT BE CORRECT THAT THIS IS MORE OF A COMPLAINT DRIVEN TO GET A MEETING OR AN ISSUE DRIVEN MEETING?

>> ME APPEARING? >> TO GET A MEETING .

>> NOT REALLY A COMPLAINT THING >> AN ISSUE, CONCERNED.

>> JUST SOMETHING , LIKE I SAID, THE PLAYGROUNDS , RESIDENTS ARE ASKING FOR A PLAYGROUND, WE CONVENED A BOARD MEETING TO DISCUSS THAT AND GET RESIDENT INPUT ABOUT THAT AND WE WERE

ABLE TO PUT IN A PLAYGROUND. >> OKAY.

>> IT IS MAINLY WHEN WE HAVE STUFF THAT IS COMING UP , THAT WE REALLY CANNOT MAKE A DECISION WITHOUT RESIDENT COMMENTS AND

INPUT. >> AND HOW OFTEN ARE THE TERMS

OF THE BOARD MEMBERS? >> THEY ARE STAGGERED. WHEN WE GOT CONTROL TURNED OVER FROM DR HORTON TO THE RESIDENCE WE WERE ELECTED , I THINK ONE PERSON WAS THREE-YEAR, ONE YEAR, TWO YEAR, THAT WAY SUBSEQUENT ELECTIONS CAN BE STAGGERED.

>> AND WENT TO THE HOA BOARD TAKE OVER FROM DR HORTON?

>> OCTOBER OF 2023 , I BELIEVE. >> VERY RECENT. OR ANY REASON.

>> YES, OCTOBER 2023.

>> YOU HAVE ALL BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.

>> WITH BOARD CONTROL, YES. WE HAD DR HORTON, I'VE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 14 YEARS, DR HORTON HAD IT MOST OF THE TIME.

>> THANK YOU. >> MR. GABRIEL, IN HER, THAT YOU PROVIDED AND THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THAT BECAUSE IT WAS EASY TO FOLLOW ALONG. YOU SAY THE TRAILS ARE VERY NICE AND YOU DON'T WISH TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THEM, WHAT IS YOUR IN THE BOARD'S PREFERRED OUTCOME FOR THIS?

>> THE TRAILS, WE HAD THIS WOODED AREA AND THE TRAILS WERE NEVER SOMETHING THAT WAS PLANNED OR SOMETHING I WAS EVEN DISCUSSED BUT NOW THAT THEY ARE THERE , NOW THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE SEEN IT AND THEY ENJOY IT , ARE ALL THING IS , FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND UTILIZE IT, WE ARE A DIVERSE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE OF THE LIABILITY ISSUES , WE TALKED TO OUR ATTORNEY AND SHE LET US KNOW THAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO A NON-RESIDENT, WE WILL BE , WE COULD BE HELD LIABLE. WITH RESIDENCE IF WE DECLARE THESE TRAILS TO BE AN AMENITY OF RIVERWALK, WHEN THE RESIDENTS PURCHASE THEIR HOME THEY SIGN OFF ON A WAIVER, SO THEY CAN USE AMENITIES SUCH AS SWIMMING POOLS AND ANY COMMITTEE STUFF THERE.

>> SO, YOUR PREFERRED OUTCOME WOULD BE FOR THESE TWO JUST BE

USED BY RIVERWALK CITIZENS? >> YES.

>> THAT LEADS TO, WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING THE CITY COUNCIL TO DO

TO HELP THAT? >> MY THING IS , ON SOCIAL MEDIA THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS REGARDING THIS ISSUE. THERE HAS BEEN, SOMEONE SAID THERE WAS A CANDIDATE WHO HAD STOLEN SOMETHING AND I MADE A POSTING ON THERE THAT AT NO POINT WAS ANYTHING STOLEN AND JUST SAYING THAT . I CAME TO HIS DEFENSE AND SAID NOTHING WAS STOLEN. THAT OPEN UP A WHOLE CAN OF WORMS OF EVERYONE CHIMING IN WITH THEIR OWN STORIES. PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT EVEN IN RIVERWALK AND HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF IT AND I WANTED TO APPEAR HERE TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT, I COULD GO AHEAD AND STOP THE RUMORS AND SAY THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED , THIS IS WHERE WE

ARE AT. >> IT IS NOT SINCERELY COMING TO CITY COUNCIL TO ASK FOR SOMETHING, MORE SO TO STATE THAT THESE RIVERWALK TRAILS WERE CREATED , ACKNOWLEDGING THEM AND THEY ARE FOR THE USE OF RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN

RIVERWALK. >> YES. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING FROM THE CITY BUT BECAUSE IT WAS REQUESTED TO PUT

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SALE IN THE FIRST PLACE. >> UNDERSTOOD. NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING YOU GUYS WANT, MORE SO SOMETHING BUT I GUESS WE ARE SPECIFICALLY COVERING THE PROPERTY THAT IS THE CITY OF HUTTO'S, NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH RIVERWALK'S TRAILS.

UNDERSTOOD. >> CLARIFICATION, ARE YOU HERE AS A CITIZEN OF HUTTO OR AS REPRESENTATION OF THE BOARD?

>> I AM HERE IS REPETITION OF THE BOARD.

>> OKAY. I SAW HERE THAT YOU HAVE INSTALLED A NO TRESPASSING SIGNS. IT'S A LOOK YOU'VE TAKEN MITIGATING STEPS THEY NEED TO DO AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ABLE TO CALL THE POLICE OFFICER OUT AND HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL REMOVED THOSE LOOKING INTO THE THING, SOUNDS LIKE THE TRAILS IN RIVERWALK ARE FOR RIVERWALK RESIDENTS, IT IS NOW SIGNAGE TO AS SUCH AND BY AND LARGE WHAT I UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THE RIVERWALK PEOPLE ENJOYED THE TRAIL. IT MAY BE A FUTURE DISCUSSION OF TURNING IT OVER THAT WOULD BE AN HOA BOARD AND YOUR RESIDENCE TO SAY, WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE MAINTAINED MORE HIGHER-LEVEL TO THE CITY OR WE WOULD LIKE TO ABLE TO GET TO -- PARKING FOR TO BE OFFICIALLY DONE BUT TODAY THAT IS NOT THERE AND YOU HAVE ALL MITIGATED THE NEED AND IT IS JUST FOR RESIDENCE.

>> YES. WE ARE STILL GETTING NON-RESIDENCE ON THE TRAILS BUT BY PUTTING THOSE SIGNS UP WE ARE COVERING OURSELVES LIABILITY

WISE. >> OKAY.

>> THANK YOU FOR COMING FOR THE CLARIFICATION . I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU AND THE BOARD WERE ASKING FOR SOMETHING OR WANTING US TO TAKE ACTION AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS JUST TO CLEAR UP MISCONCEPTIONS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AS WELL AS STATE THE TIMELINE , THAT IS EXTREMELY HELPFUL. THANK YOU FOR COMING.

>> OKAY. >> I WILL THANK YOU FOR COMING AS WELL. I'M IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS AN AND WE HAVE TRAILS IN OUR AREA AND IT WAS , IT HAS BEEN FUN TO TRY TO FIGURE THEM OUT, WE HAVE SIGNS UP SO YOU CANNOT COME HERE UNLESS YOU ARE RESIDENT IN ALL OF THAT AND I UNDERSTAND, TRAILS ARE NOT AN EASY THING TO JUST HAVE, YOU NEED TO MAINTAIN THEM AND CONTROL THEM AND I GET THAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONCERN FOR YOUR RESIDENCE AND FOR YOUR HOA MEMBERS AND FOR CLARIFYING FOR THE GREATER POPULACE WHAT THESE TRAILS ARE, HOW THEY CAME ABOUT, WHAT HAPPENED , THAT IS HELPFUL. I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING YOUR COMMENTS WRITTEN, I THINK THAT IS REALLY HELPFUL. I THOUGHT THERE WAS AN EXTRA SENTENCE OR TWO AT THE VERY END THAT WAS NOT IN THE PRINTED,

WOULD YOU MIND? >> THAT WAS MY PERSONAL STATEMENT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD ABOUT LET'S BRING CHARGES AND STUFF AND I PERSONALLY NOT ADVOCATING FOR THAT, I'M NOT ASKING FOR THAT AND I WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND STATE THAT

PUBLICLY. >> I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> I WAS NOT SURE IF I WAS A PART OF YOUR OFFICIAL STATEMENT YOU PROVIDED BECAUSE YOU SAY THAT IT WAS IN HERE AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR DESIRE IS NOT TO BRING CHARGES OR DO ANYTHING BUT TO CLARIFY TO THE PUBLIC THAT THESE ARE NOT PUBLIC TRAILS, THESE ARE NOT CITY OF HUTTO TRAILS, THEY WERE NOT CREATED THE AUTHORIZATION OF THE BOARD AND EXPANDING ALL OF

THAT. THANK YOU. >> TO CLARIFY, PERSONALLY YOU DON'T WANT CHARGES OR THAT IS THE HOA BOARD?

>> THAT IS MY VIEW. AS A BOARD WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THAT. THAT

IS JUST MINE. >> THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION.

>> I AM NOT GOING TO LIE I APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO TALK TO US BECAUSE I DID TAKE MY FAMILY ON THOSE TRAILS, BEING PRETTY TRANSPARENT, THEY LOVED IT, AND I LOVE THE CREEK AT THE BOTTOM, THOSE PRETTY COOL AND YOU GUYS HAVE SOMETHING SPECIAL THERE.

>> THERE ARE SOME TRAILS BEHIND THE SOCCER FIELD OR CITY-OWNED PROPERTY AND YOU CAN TAKE YOUR FAMILY THERE.

>> RIGHT. >> OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE BRIAN

SCOTT. >> GOOD EVENING. I AM HERE FOR THE TRAILS ALSO. THIS REASONING STARTED WITH ME AND MY SON, HE SAID THAT MOUNTAIN BIKING WAS RELAXING, SO I WENT AND BOUGHT A MOUNTAIN BIKE AND I HAVE BEEN WRITING ON THE TRAILS OUT HERE, THEY ARE VERY NICE. I DID NOT REALIZE I WAS COMMITTING A CRIME, BUT THEY ARE MAINTAINED VERY WELL.

>> YOU ARE NOT ALONE. >> NOW I CAN JUST IGNORE THE

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>> GUESS I CAN'T GO ON MY TRAILS IN HUTTO SQUARE. I'M A HUGE PROPONENT FOR THEM. THEY ARE GREAT AND ALL THE KIDS HAVE GONE WITH, THEY'VE BEEN RESPECTFUL OF THE TRAILS AND I HAVE SEEN THE GUYS OUT THERE MAINTAINING THEM , COREY AND A FRIEND OF HIS AND THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT THEM AND DO A GREAT JOB, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE OF THAT AROUND HUTTO, IT IS REALLY GREAT, IT IS SHADED, IT IS AWESOME. SO, I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST BE

PROPONENT FOR THE TRAILS. >> THANK YOU.

>> YOU CAN COME TO THE HUTTO AND TOWNSQUARE ONCE, YOU HAVE TO PAY

A FEE, YOU ARE A NON-RESIDENT. >> OKAY, I ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE TOWN SQUARE. OH, I BROUGHT MY FAMILY WITH ME, THEY LOVE THEM, EVEN THE WIFE LOVES THEM. SHE HAS NOT WRITTEN ON THEM.

>> KEEPS YOU OUT OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT?

>> I LOVE TO TALK TO YOU, PETER. >> I WILL SHOW YOU. YES.

>> THANK YOU, EVERYONE. >> I BROUGHT THIS ITEM UP BECAUSE I CAME TO MY ATTENTION AND I STARTED READING THE EMAILS AND THE BACK-AND-FORTH, FIRST THING, THINK JAMES WAS OUT OF ONE OF THE MEETINGS AND I ASKED MATT LIKE, WHAT IS GOING ON? HOW IS THERE TRAIL SYSTEM BEING BUILT , I WAS LIKE WHO IS DOING THE UPKEEP? WHO IS DOING THE LIABILITY? WHAT ARE THE SPECS? WHAT IS THE DESIGN? I WAS LIKE, SO MANY QUESTIONS, HOW TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN TO HER WE DO NOT EVEN KNOW? AND HOW ARE WE ATTACHING OUR TRAILS IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WITHOUT THEM KNOWING. I STARTED FINDING OUT THAT WE HAVE BUILT TRIALS BY CREEKSIDE, GLENWOOD , MY CROSS CREEK AND THEN I TOLD JAMES, I FEEL LIKE IT IS A LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL, THE COUNCIL SUPPOSED TO BE SETTING THE DIRECTION AND WHAT CONTINUALLY HAPPENS OVER AND OVER IN MY OPINION IS A THINGS ARE DONE OUT THERE AND THEN WE ARE ASKED TO APPROVE IT AFTER THE FACT. I FORGOT THE EXAMPLE COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON USED ONE TIME, TO GIVE A PUPPY TO A KID AND TAKE IT AWAY , I FORGOT WHAT IT WAS BUT IT FEELS LIKE THAT WAY WERE LIKE THE TRAILS ARE GREAT, NOT AGAINST THE TRAILS BUT THEY'RE USING THEM FOR BIKES , SOMEONE ELSE IS USING THEM FOR BIKES AND NOW THERE ARE MOTORBIKES AND WE HAVE NO REGULATIONS , IT SOUNDS LIKE HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE COMING IN ON THEM. DO THE POLICE KNOW TO BE PATROLLING THIS? AND AGAIN, IT ENDS WITH, WHAT IS THE PLAN? IF THERE IS A PLAN AND WE SIGN OFF AND LEGAL SAYS IT IS OKAY, THE PARKS BOARD SAYS IT IS OKAY, I HAVE NO PROBLEM. I HAVE A PROBLEM WHEN WE JUST GO OUT AND DO THINGS AND PEOPLE COME BACK TO SAY WE NEED MORE STAFF, WE NEED MORE MONEY, WE NEED THIS AND IS THE FIRST I'M HEARING. I AM CAUGHT OFF GUARD WITH THESE, I APOLOGIZE TO YOU AT RIVERWALK THAT WE ARE BUILDING TRAILS AND TAPPING INTO YOUR SYSTEM AND ON OUR SIDE, YOU CAN PUT UP ALL THE SIGNS YOU WANT TO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU STOP PEOPLE FROM COMING OVER THERE. NOW WE'VE OPENED UP A CAN OF WORMS, THE GENIE IS OUT OF THE BOTTLE AND CANNOT PUT IT BACK IN. WE FIND OUT FROM THE ATTORNEY THAT CITY COUNCIL DOES NEED TO SIGN OFF ON THIS AND THAT WE HAVE AN A.D.A. ISSUE. AS I UNDERSTAND A.D.A. RULES, EVERYBODY HAS THE ABILITY TO USE CITY FACILITIES, YOU CANNOT BUILD CITY FACILITIES FOR THOSE THAT ARE ABLE TO USE THEM AND THOSE THAT CANNOT FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS WHY CITIES DO NOT GET INTO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT OF THE PEOPLE GET INTO BECAUSE WE HAVE A STANDARD AND A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE TO ANSWER TO. THIS'LL THING HAS GOT ME A LITTLE BIT LIKE, AT SOME POINT IN TIME , LIKE I TOLD MATT , JAMES YOU WERE NOT THERE BUT IF WE ARE NOT

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>> MAYOR, LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR STAFF TO BRING BACK A POLICY FOR A PLAN FOR NATURE TRAILS ON CITY PROPERTY AND ALSO REGULATIONS, RULES, ORDINANCES OR POTENTIAL ORDINANCES, ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRIVATE PROPERTY TRAILS AND CITY TRAILS , SORRY, TRYING TO BE CLEAR THERE AND IT MAY NOT COME OUT

THAT WAY. >> IT IS GOOD. TO HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> I UNDERSTOOD THE FIRST PART OF THE MOTION , BRING BACK A POLICY REGARDING NATURE TRAILS ON CITY PROPERTY AND YOU WANT A POLICY FOR NON-CITY PROPERTY?

>> IT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

>> A CONNECTION WITH TRINITY NATURE TRAIL SYSTEMS, LIKE A

POLICY. >> CONNECTIVITY ISSUES WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

>> DISCUSSION? >> WE CAN ALSO ADD IN TO REQUEST A POLICY THAT ADDRESSES LIABILITY FOR ANY VOLUNTEER WORK THAT IS DONE BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK WAS WELL ADDRESSED. THERE IS LIABILITY OF THOSE USING IT BUT IF YOU BRING IN PEOPLE WHO VOLUNTEER TO CLEAR A TRAIL AND THEY ARE USING TOOLS , THEY CAN EASILY GET INJURED AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE CITY LIABILITY AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE

ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. >> BUT IT IS NOT A CITY FACILITY , THEY ARE DOING THAT AT THEIR OWN RISK.

>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A CITY POLICY. I'M TALKING ABOUT BUT IT ALSO ADDRESSES VOLUNTEER WORK THAT MAY BE DONE.

>> AND LIABILITY CONCERNS. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON, UNDER ADVISEMENT THAT ARE TML COVERAGE COVERS VOLUNTEER WORK ALREADY , SO, THAT IS HOW WE ARE COVERED WHENEVER WE HAVE VOLUNTEERS SHOW UP TO DO ANYTHING ON CITY PROPERTY. WE CAN ASK SPECIFICALLY FOR TRAILS, TO GIVE YOU ASSURANCE THAT IS TRUE BUT THAT IS THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW. WHAT ARE VOLUNTEERS SHOW UP AND ARE AUTHORIZED TO BE THERE THEN THEY ARE COVERED UNDER LIABILITY

INSURANCE. >> A QUESTION WITH THAT. IF THEY ARE AUTHORIZED TO BE THERE BUT IF THEY ARE THERE AND DON'T HAVE PROPER AUTHORIZATION BECAUSE WE AS A BODY DID NOT AUTHORIZE THE WORK, DOES TML STILL COVER THAT OR BECAUSE IT WAS NOT DONE , LIKE THE COUNCIL SUPPOSED TO GET PERMISSION

DIDN'T. >> I WOULD HAVE TO ASK, HOW THEY WOULD VIEW IT, MANY OF US ARE CONSIDERED AGENTS OF THE CITY AND THE CITY MANAGER SAYS YOU CAN DO IT THAT WOULD GENERALLY

BE ENOUGH TO OBLIGATE THE CITY. >> BUT YOU HAVE AUTHORITY FOR

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THAT. >> I AM SAYING I WOULD HAVE TO ASK OF A VIEWER TO ANSWER QUESTION BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT IS JUST COUNCIL AUTHORIZING. I THINK AGENTS CAN AUTHORIZE ON

BEHALF OF THE CITY. >> I JUST WANTED AND COVERED .

>> I UNDERSTAND. >> HEARING NO DISCUSSION.

>> I WILL SAY THIS. I COMMEND MR. DENENA FOR ATTEMPTING TO GO THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS AS HE UNDERSTOOD THEM , HE CAME TO THE CITY, HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE PARKS BOARD ANYTHING HE STILL IS, HE WENT TO THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND ASKED FOR PERMISSION , THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS BELIEVED HE HAD AUTHORITY AT THE TIME, THERE WAS NOTHING IN OUR POLICIES IS THAT HE DID NOT AND I THINK THAT IS WHY I LIKE THIS MOTION BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO CLARIFY EXACTLY WHERE THE AUTHORITY IS. I DISAGREE THAT THINGS LIKE THIS ALWAYS HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL SETS IS THE VISION, WE SET THE VISION OF WHAT WE WANT AND WE SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT THE PARKS DIRECTOR HEARD WAS WE WANT MORE TRAILS, WE WANT THINGS , I HAVE HEARD FROM MANY MEMBERS INCLUDING THE MAYOR THAT SAYS HE WOULD REALLY LIKE PRIVATE CITIZENS AND PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS TO TAKE THE BURDEN OFF OF GOVERNMENT AND TO DO THINGS FOR FREE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR. SO, THE TRAIL THAT HAVE BEEN PUT ON CITY LAND CURRENTLY PROBABLY VALUE IN THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IF WE WOULD'VE PAID CITY EMPLOYEES TO DO IT. SO, I COMMEND THE INTENTION OF WHAT IS GOING ON AND I DO NOT DISAGREE THAT WE NEED TO SET UP A POLICY SO THAT THERE IS NO AMBIGUITY AT ALL AND TO MAKE SURE WE ARE DOING THAT.

THE OTHER THING, I DO DISAGREE WITH A PORTION OF WHAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY SAID REGARDING THE TRAILS HAVE TO BE A.D.A.

COMPLIANT. I HAVE RESEARCHED AND FEDERAL LOSSES THEY DO NOT HAVE

TO BE A.D.A. COMPLIANT. >> I'M GOING TO PUT ON THE RECORD, THEY HAVE TO BE A.D.A. COMPLIANT, IF YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATE SOURCE OR ROOT, YOU CAN USE THAT. I DID MORE RESEARCH FOR NATURE TRAILS AND I FOUND GUIDANCE THAT THEY SHOULD BE AT LEAST 36 INCHES WIDE AND HAVE SOME SORT OF SUBSTANCE THAT A WHEELCHAIR CAN GO DOWN IT. THE INITIAL OPINION THAT WE GAVE WAS INCORRECT, AND IT WAS INCORRECT BECAUSE WE THOUGHT JUST BECAUSE THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING HAD NOT COME OUT THERE BEST PRACTICES THAT WE DID NOT NEED TO FOLLOW IT BUT WE DID MORE EXTENSIVE RESEARCH AND CAME OUT WITH THE SUBSEQUENT MEMO. I DID MORE RESEARCH ON WHAT DOES A NATURE TRAIL EXACTLY HAVE TO DO , WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS? IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A NATURE TRAIL , YOU SHOULD HAVE IT TO WHERE A WHEELCHAIR CAN USE IT AND THERE IS SOME GUIDANCE, 36 INCHES WITH SOME SORT OF SUBSTANCE THAT A WHEELCHAIR CAN TRAVEL ON. THAT IS NOT THE

ARCHITECTURAL BARRIERS ACT SAYS. >> I SAW YOUR EMAIL AND I DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID AND I'M TELLING YOU WHAT MY LEGAL

OPINION IS. >> I GUESS YOU CAN DISAGREE WITH FEDERAL LAW BUT THE CONDITIONS AND EXCEPTIONS CLEARLY SAY WHERE , THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS FOR WHEN A NATURE TRAIL DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A.D.A. COMPLIANT. IT SAYS IT AND I WILL READ IT.

>> THAT IS TYPICALLY WHERE THERE ARE ALTERNATE MEANS .

>> THERE IS AN ALTERNATE FOR THE TRAIL THAT WAS BUILT.

>> IF THERE ARE SIDEWALKS THAN THOSE PARTICULAR ONES THAT HAVE TO BE A.D.A. COMPLIANT , IF THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS, I AM

TELLING YOU WHAT YOU SHOULD DO. >> YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT.

THE TWO I AM NOT MISSING THE POINT.

>> YOU HAVE PEOPLE BUILDING TRAILS , DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE FUTURE ONE IS COMING IN MILES WE ARE GOING TO BUILD? YOU DON'T KNOW ANY OF THAT BECAUSE NONE OF IT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED BECAUSE

IT IS ESTABLISHED FOOT BY FOOT >> LET ME READ WHAT I STARTED TO READ, WHERE CONDITION FOR AN EXCEPTION REPLY APPLIES FOR ONLY PART OF THE TRAIL, WHICH IS WHAT THESE ARE, A BEACH ACCESS ROUTER OUTDOOR ACCESS ROUTE, THE REST OF THE TRAILER ROUTE MUST REPLY WITH -- COMPLY WITH -- THAT APPLIES 100% TO THE ONE THAT GOES BETWEEN THE CROSS CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THERE IS A CEMENT TRAIL AND THIS OTHER TRAIL THAT CUTS THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT. IT SAYS ANOTHER CONDITION FOR EXCEPTION IS WHEN COMPLIANCE IS NOT PRACTICAL DUE TO TERRAIN. IT SAYS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN A TRAIL IS CONSIDERED IN A STEEPLY SLOPED AREA, COMPLIANCE AT THE RUNNING SLOPE PROVISION MAY NOT BE PRACTICAL TO CHOL ON PARTS THE TRAIL WOULD REQUIRE EXTENSIVE CUTS OR FILTH ARE DIFFICULT TO CONSTRUCT AND MAINTAIN THAT WOULD CAUSE DRAINAGE AND EROSION PROBLEMS, SIGNIFICANTLY LENGTHEN THE TRAIL OR CREATE OTHER ADVERSE ENVIRONMENT IMPACTS, THAT IS ANOTHER EXCEPTION TO THE RULE THAT SAYS IF IT IS IN A HEAVILY WOODED AREA , IF IT IS REALLY HILLY THAN IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A.D.A. COMPLIANT.

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>> WELL I THINK THAT TO BE A PART OF THE POLICY. WE WILL LOOK

AT IT AND ADD THAT. >>

>> IS AT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FEE TO ADD THAT TO THE POLICY?

>> YES, I LIKE TO AMEND THAT TO MAKE SURE THE GUIDELINES LISTED IN THE ARCHITECTURAL BARRIERS ACT ARE INCLUDED IN HER TRAIL

POLICY. >> I WILL SECOND THAT.

>> AMENDMENT BY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. NO MORE DEBATE ON THAT. DISCUSSION. PLEASE CALL

THE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON?

>> AYE. >> MAYOR CENTER?

>> AYE. STEPHEN MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK?

>> AYE. >> THAT PASSES, 7-0. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION AS AMENDED?

>> YES, I SECOND THE ORIGINAL MOTION BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED A POLICY. GOOD INTENTIONS PAVE THE PATH I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN BUT I AGREE THAT WE NEED TRAILS BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ALIGNED AND HOPEFULLY STAFF WILL BRING US SOMETHING WE CAN GET ALIGNED THAT CAN HELP US TO HAVE A VERY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING , SO THAT WE DO NOT MAKE ANY MISTAKES . SO, YEAH. I'M GOOD

WITH THAT. >> I LIKE THE IDEA OF A POLICY BECAUSE WHILE WE DEBATE PITCH AND SLOPE , SOME OF THESE TRAILS OF A TREE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, 18 INCHES ON ONE SIDE OF THE OTHER AND THEN THIS IDEA THAT IT IS GREAT WITHOUT TRAILS AND SAVED EVERYBODY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS BUT WHAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED IF STAFF SAID , WE WANT TO MAKE A FOUR WHEELER TRAILER? BECAUSE I KNOW THERE IS AN ISSUE ALREADY WITH DIRT BIKES THAT RACE AROUND THERE AND I THINK THAT IS WHY YOU NEED A POLICY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO AND WHAT WE NOT GOING TO AND THEN WHEN THE POLICE COME OUT THEY KNOW TO TICKET SOMEBODY, YOU CANNOT HAVE A DIRT BIKE BACK HERE, WHY NOT? THERE IS NO ORDINANCES AS YOU CANNOT, HOW DO THEY ISSUE TICKETS? THEN THEY HAVE TO GO BACK AND TELL THE PEOPLE AT THE SWIMMING POOL THAT HAS A GUY GOING BACK AND FORTH ON A DIRT BIKE, CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT AND THAT IS ALL WE NEED PARKING ORDINANCES, THAT IS ALL WE HAVE RULES AND I THINK IT IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JUST GOING OUT AND DOING STUFF AND SAVING MONEY BECAUSE THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW YOU WALK BY THE LIBRARY AND THERE IS AN ADDITION AND YOU ARE LIKE, WHAT IS THAT? WELL CHRISTIAN IS A GUY THAT EXTRA WOULD AND SAVE YOU MONEY AND NOT BUILDING A LIBRARY SHE IS ADDING 5000 SQUARE FEET ONTO THE SIDE OF THE LIBRARY, AND YOU COME BACK AND SAY HOLD ON A SECOND, WHO SAID YOU COULD DO THAT? I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN YOU KNOW YOU HAVE CROSSED IT BUT ON THIS ISSUE I THINK IT IS OBVIOUS, AT LEAST FOR A COUPLE OF US THAT WE NEED SOME POLICY AND DIRECTION AND AN ORDINANCE, OTHERWISE THE POLICE ARE LEFT UNABLE TO ENFORCE RULES , THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE UPSET THAT PEOPLE ARE SCREWING AROUND AND WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE THE TRAILS BUT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, I DON'T WANT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD MAD AT ME AND THESE PEOPLE YELLING AT ME AND THE COPS HARASSING ME AND IT IS ALL DONE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL . THAT IS WHY PUSH DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL BUT WE LIKE TO LEAVE IT IN THE HANDS OF OTHERS AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS SOMETIMES. HOPEFULLY THIS CAN BE RESOLVED AND WE CAN MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY IN SOME

WAY. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD?

>> AYE. >> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR?

>> AYE. >> MAYOR CENTER?

>> AYE. B1 COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON?

>> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES, 7-0. A MOTION

TO RECALL ITEM 8.1 . >> SECOND.

>> DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE

VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD?

>> AYE. >> MAYOR'S LETTER? YOU AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? >> AYE?

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON ? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? >> AYE.

>> MOTION PASSES, 7-0. I MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE COREY DENENA TO

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>> WELL, YOU CAN'T. >> ALL RIGHT. ALSO I'D LIKE TO ASK COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON , I GUESS THAT WOULD BE , IF I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT SOMETHING FOR EDC IS THAT ITEM 8.2? WHEN SOMEONE IS NOT ATTENDING IN CERTAIN THINGS?

>> THERE IS NO EDC SUBCOMMITTEE. >> ALI BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ?

>> YES, 8.1. BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

>> I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE NOT GOING TO EXECUTIVE

SESSION? >> I WOULD NOT SAY WE ARE POSTED FOR THAT, THIS IS FOR APPOINTMENTS, REAPPOINTMENTS AND

REMOVALS. >> ALL RIGHT. I WILL MAKE AN AGENDA ITEM ON THAT LATER. ALL RIGHT WILL MOVE ON TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, ITEM 14.1, RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS CODE SECTION 551.071 CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY RELATING TO THE FOLLOWING LEGAL MATTERS, PRESERVE HUTTO LOC, TPD HAS PERMIT NUMBER W20016145001 , APPLICATION FOR WASTEWATER DISCHARGE PERMIT, B, FIRST AMENDMENT THE COTTONWOOD SECOND AMENDED AND RESTATED AGREEMENT, DATED SEPTEMBER 16, 2021 AND --

>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, C , WE PROVIDED A MEMO IN THERE IS NO

UPDATED STATUS ON THAT ONE. >> WAS AT A MEMO THAT WAS SENT

THIS AFTERNOON? >> NO, C WAS NOT, THE AMENDMENT TO 400 HIGHVIEW LANE, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN REVISIONS .

>> GOT IT. I THOUGHT WE RECEIVE THAT LATE. STU AND

[14. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

]. >> IT IS FINE IF WE DON'T HAVE

THE DOCUMENTS. >> ALL RIGHT, ITEM 14.2 , PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551.072, DELIBERATION REGARDING REAL PROPERTY, THE CITY SHALL CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO LIBERATE POTENTIAL ACQUISITIONS BY PURCHASE OR LEASE OF REAL PROPERTY INTERESTS AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AND/OR EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION FOR PROVIDING ADDITIONAL COMMITTEE SPACES FOR

THE PUBLIC USE. >> NO ACTION ON THAT ONE.

>> DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT? >> WE GAVE YOU A MEMO TODAY. WE

HAVE SOME UPDATES. >> IS THERE ANYWAY WE CAN GET THE MEMOS BEFORE THE DAY OF?

[15. ACTION RELATIVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION]

>> IS 11:35 AND WE ARE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION, NO ACTION WAS TAKEN. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA'S 15.1, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AGENDA ITEMS

[16. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS]

16.1, GENERAL COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL. HEARING NONE. 16.2,

FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. >> MAYOR, HAVE ONE ITEM , I WANT TO PUT AN ITEM ON THE JUNE FOR THE AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION FOR THE CITY TO TAKE OVER THE DRAINAGE EASEMENTS IN THE DURANGO FARM SUBDIVISION FOR THE NEW DRAINAGE THAT IS

BEING INSTALLED. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER ONES? 16.3, FUTURE ADDITIONAL RESCHEDULE MEETINGS AS ALLOWED BY HUTTO CITY CODE SECTION 1.0 2.033 ADDITIONAL RESCHEDULE

MEETINGS . LAST CHANCE. >> SIR, CAN YOU RECALL 16.1?

>> 16.1, GENERAL COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL.

>> I NEED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT I WILL NOT BE HERE ON THE JUNE 26TH MEETING, I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? WE ADJOURN AT 11:36 P.M. .

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