Jun 05, 2025 Special Joint City Council

[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER ]

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>>> IT IS 6:00 WE WILL CALL THE JOINT MEETING TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER FOR THURSDAY, JUNE 5 AT 6:00 STARTING WITH ROLL CALL.

COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON, COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON, COUNCILMEMBER CLARK, COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD, GORDON, TURN IT OVER TO THE CHAIR. VICE CHAIR. DO YOUR ROLL CALL ON YOUR SIDE OF THE MEETING.

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[4.1. Conduct a public hearing and consider a recommendation to City Council for the adoption of the Unified Development Code. (Ashley Bailey) ]

DEVELOPMENT CODE. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND PZA COMMISSIONERS. THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS TO PREEMPT THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AS REWRITTEN. A FEW HIGHLIGHTS, WORKING ON THIS OVER 18 MONTHS WE HAVE A DRAFT ONLINE SINCE MID DECEMBER, WE DID RECEIVE SOME COMMENTS , COMMENTS WERE TO MID FEBRUARY, WE RECEIVED A LATE ADDITION. P AND Z HAS SEEN SEVERAL TIMES AND WE WENT OVER SEVERAL TIMES AND WE PRESENTED TO YOU A FEW TIMES, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, WE HAVE ALL CONSULTANTS AND SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS HERE TO GIVE YOU ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IF YOU WANT CLARIFYING QUESTIONS ON ANY CHAPTERS BUT THIS WAS A LABOR OF LOVE TO BRING UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE HUTTO PLAN SO WE CAN BE A CITY THAT LOOKS AS GOOD AS WE NEED TO AND GOES BACK TO GOALS AND PRIORITIES. WITH THAT I CAN TURN THIS OVER AND WE HAVE A

PRESENTATION FOR YOUR. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. REALLY EXCITED TO GET TO PRESENT UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE THIS EVENING, THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BRING CODE INTO ALIGNMENT NOT ONLY THAT BUT BRINGING INTO ALIGNMENT WITH A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED OVER THE LAST DECADE OR SO PARTICULARLY IN STATE LAW THAT BRING YOU CLOSER TO COMPLIANCE AND RECOGNIZES HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS AS YOU DEAL WITH NEW CHALLENGES, NEW OPPORTUNITIES.

BASICALLY IT'S A BROAD MODERNIZATION EFFORT. WE ARE GOING TO THE OVERVIEW OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH THIS, THE PROJECT A WHOLE LOT HERE I WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY A BIG THANK YOU TO YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. THEY HAD A NUMBER OF SPECIAL MEETINGS GOING THROUGH THIS LINE BY LINE PAGE BY PAGE AND WE LIKE TO RECOGNIZE WHEN VOLUNTEERS AND OF DOING EXTRA THAN WHAT THEY SIGNED UP FOR SO A BIG THANK YOU TO THEM. ALONG THE WAY. WE ARE DOING BEST PRACTICE A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE REWRITE COUPLED WITH ENGINEERING CRITERIA MANUAL. WHAT THAT MEANS, THE DOCUMENTS THE CITY HAS THAT FREQUENTLY CONFLICT WITH EACH OTHER ARE BROUGHT INTO COMPLETE ALIGNMENT SO YOU DON'T HAVE THESE ISSUES ONE OF YOUR KEY DOCUMENTS SAYS ONE THING AND THE OTHER SAYS SOMETHING ELSE SO GETTING THAT INTO GOOD CLEAN ALIGNMENT. DEVELOPMENT CODE AS REWRITTEN IS ORGANIZED INTO NINE CHAPTERS, EIGHT FUNCTIONAL CHAPTERS. YOUR HEAVIEST LIFT CHAPTERS TO THIS ARE TWO, THREE AND FOUR YOUR LAND-USE STANDARDS, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. THE REST PROVIDE SUPPORTING INFORMATION OR IS ENABLING ENGINEERING CRITERIA ALONG THE WAY. FOR QUICK ORIENTATION TO THE STARTING WITH LAND USE STANDARDS. THIS HAS REVISED ZONING DISTRICTS, THE KEY IS CREATION OF A ZONING EQUIVALENCY TABLE THAT MEANS TAKING YOUR ZONING DISTRICTS AS THEY EXIST, BUT TO THOSE CONVERT TO IN THE NEW CODE? HOW DO THOSE RELATED TO ONE ANOTHER? THERE IS REDUCTION IN ZONING DISTRICTS DROPPING FROM 15 DOWN TO 12, A PORTION OF THAT WAS TAKING OLD CODE WHICH HAD TWO IN ONE WITH REGULAR UDC PLUS A VERSION OF A FORM -BASED CODE, STRIPPING THAT ADAPTING AND RECRUITING DISTRICTS IN THE FOLLOWING

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PERMITTED SUBJECT CONDITIONS WITH CERTAIN USE SPECIAL USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS THAT GO WITH THEM. AND THEN SPECIFIC USE PERMIT , THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF A USE THAT IS TO COME FORWARD FOR SPECIAL APPROVAL MUCH LIKE A ZONING CHANGE. YOU CAN SEE NOT PERMITTED AT ALL PERIOD END OF SENTENCE. GETTING INTO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THIS IS WHERE A LOT OF EDITS HAPPEN TO CLEAN UP AND MAKE THINGS EASIER TO USE WAS THE FOCUS. DOES IT MAKE IT LESS RESTRICTIVE? IT IS CLEAR, CONCISE AND GETS TO THE POINT THIS IS REACHING THE REFERENCE REMOVED FROM THE FORM-BASED CODE. ALL SPECIFIC DESIGN STANDARDS ARE SHIFTED INTO THE ENGINEERING MANUAL WHICH PUTS IT IN A PLACE WHERE IT'S EASIER FOR DESIGN PROFESSIONALS TO WORK WITH IT WITHOUT OVERWHELMING A NON-DESIGNER CODE USER SO A RESIDENT OFF THE STREET TRYING TO OPEN A BUSINESS CAN FOCUS ON THE STUFF THEY UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY ENGAGE THEY CAN PULL IN EXTRA ELEMENTS THEY HAVE ENOUGH THEY CAN DEVELOP THINGS LIKE THAT. STRENGTH OF LANDSCAPING LANGUAGE AND ADAPTIVE LANGUAGE FOCUSING ON WATER CONSERVATION. UPDATED OUTDOOR LIGHTING STANDARDS RECOGNIZING MAJOR CHANGES IN THE LIGHTING TECHNOLOGY MAKING SURE YOU'RE UPDATED TO THAT AND UNDERGROUND UTILITY LINES ALONG THE WAY. WHAT THIS DOES SPEND TOWARD IS YOUR HIGHEST EXPOSURE ROADWAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT HAVE THE STRONGEST AESTHETIC TREATMENT AND MOVING BACK THE TREATMENT DROPS A LITTLE BIT AS YOU MOVE AWAY FROM MAJOR ROADWAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF PART OF THE LOW WATER USE PLANTING REQUIREMENT TRYING TO MAXIMIZE WATER EFFICIENCY.

THIS COMES FROM EXPERIENCE IN WATER RESOURCES WHERE IF YOU ARE TRYING TO GET NEW WATER SOURCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT WE SEE CHALLENGES COMING UP FOCUSED ON THE MISSING BEST PRACTICE TO CONSERVATION EFFORTS TO AVOID CONTESTED CASES ON THE WATER SIDE . A LOT OF USE OF GRAPHICS. PEOPLE TEND TO BE VISUAL AND CERTAIN THINGS ARE EASIER TO COMMITTEE WITH PICTURES SO WE TRY TO DO THAT WHERE WE CAN AND THAT MAKES IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO CROSS OVER ON RUDIMENTARY SITE PLANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, THIS GOT A SUBSTANTIAL REWRITE BECAUSE IN 2023 THE LEGISLATURE DECIDED TO REWRITE THE STATE LAW ON SUBDIVISION RELATION. IT STRIPPED OUT A FEW PLANT TYPES, IT HAS UPDATED PROCEDURAL WITH UPDATED LANGUAGE UNDER LAW FOR PROCESSING AND AGAIN SHIFT CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS INTO THE ENGINEERING CRITERIA MANUAL. KEY THINGS WITH THIS, PLANT TYPES HAVE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT, THE BIG THING IS APPROVAL AUTHORITIES HAVE SHIFTED WHERE PRELIMINARY PLAT GOES TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION , THAT IS THE DAYLIGHTING ASPECT OF THE PLANNING PROCESS YOU LOOK AT ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES , WHEN YOUR PAST THAT POINT IT SHIFTS INTO A MINISTERIAL TYPE OF ROLE SO FINAL PLANTS, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE APPROVED AT STAFF LEVEL, THIS IS THE MOST COMMON APPROACH IN CENTRAL TEXAS, EXPEDITES THE TIMELINE GIVING YOU TRANSPARENCY MAKING SURE YOU DO NOT HAVE HICCUPS WHETHER IT IS MEETING THE UTILITY SYSTEM CAPACITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE HAVE INTEGRATED FLOW CHARTS.

MAIN REASON IS WHEN YOU START WRITING A PROCESS IN STANDARD

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[4.3. Consideration and possible action by the City Council relating to an ordinance for the adoption of the Unified Development Code including Engineering Criteria Manuals. ]

>> OVER THE 18 MONTHS YOU HAVE HAD THIS OPEN WHO HAD BEEN THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT HAVE PRESENTED CHANGES OR ADJUSTMENTS TO THE UDC? EACH BOARD AND COMMISSION HAS OFFERED SUGGESTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. WE HAVE RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM ENCORE FOR EXAMPLE, THEY ARE INTERESTED IN UTILITY EASEMENTS , WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREAS WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM INDUSTRIAL ORGANIZING THAT'S A LOT OF RECENT ACTIVITY IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SPACE, THAT PROMPTED A TRIAGE AMENDMENT IN THE PROCESS WHERE WE MADE QUICK MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING CODE AND ASHLEY IF YOU CAN TOUCH ON SOME OF THE OTHERS WE HEARD

FROM? >> I ALSO SENT OVER TO MORE ACTIVE DEVELOPERS TO SEE THEIR COMMENTS, FOR THE MAJORITY THERE WERE LOOKING AT LANDSCAPING KNOWING THAT'S WHERE WE HAD ISSUES IN THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENTS AND WE GOT GOOD FEEDBACK, WE ALSO HAD STAFF GO BACK TO REVIEW PLANS THAT COME THROUGH UNDER THE EXISTING CODE TO SEE HOW THIS DIFFERS AND IT WAS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. TALKING WITH LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS TO SEE WHAT WE WERE MISSING SO SENDING IT OUT TO VARIOUS PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED TO GIVE US FEEDBACK OR TELL US WHERE WE

WERE GETTING IT RIGHT. >> ANY RESIDENTIAL INPUT FROM

DEVELOPERS? >> THERE IS ONE IN THE PACKET TALKING ABOUT STREET TREES AND WE DID FINALLY GET ONE BECAUSE WE KEPT TALKING LIKE GO LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND SEE IF THIS WORKS. FOR THE MOST PART THE FEEDBACK WE'VE BEEN GETTING IS IT OPENED UP THE ZONING DISTRICTS SO IT WAS EASIER TO READ AND WE TOOK OUT THINGS THEY DID NOT LIKE WITH GARAGES AND THINGS CONTINUAL ISSUES WHERE THEY WOULD COME INTO AMEND THAT

. >> WHERE WHAT I FIND, IF I WAS JUST A CITIZEN AND I SAW ON FACEBOOK SOMETHING ABOUT UDC WHERE WHAT I GO TO FIND THAT ON THE WEBSITE?

>> ON THE CITY WEBSITE? UNDER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND

DEVELOPMENT CODES. >> DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION?

>> UNDER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WITH A TAB ON THE SIDE THAT SAYS

DEVELOPMENT CODE. >> MEETING VIDEOS AGENDAS UTILITY PAYMENT JOB OPPORTUNITY PUBLIC NOTICE .

>> IF YOU'RE IN THE GOVERNMENT TAB I BELIEVE IT IS DEPARTMENTS AND I KNOW WHEN WE WERE ORIGINALLY RELEASING THIS THERE WAS A BANNER PROMOTED ON THE CITY WEBSITE WHEN THIS WENT INTO THE NEWSLETTER IT WAS THERE AND IT GAVE A DIRECT LINK.

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>> THIS IS SOMETHING IS A CITY NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS UDC WILL BE DEVELOPING SERVICES AND YOU GO TO THIS TAB SO SOMETIMES PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THINGS ARE HIDDEN. WE GO BACK AND WE PUBLICIZED IT AND YOU CAN FIND ON THE WEBSITE AND THEY SAY I DON'T KNOW THAT I TELL THE CITY MANAGER PEOPLE DON'T KNOW PUDDLES ARE DONE BY

PUBLIC >> I WILL TELL YOU THE WAY I FIND IT EASIEST IGOOGLE HUTTO DEVELOPMENT .

>> I DID UDC . >> CITY OF HUTTO UDC. IT GOES

RIGHT THERE. >> AGAIN REFORMER PTZ, MIND POINT IS HOW DOES A PERSON ON THE STREET GOING HAD A LIKE I HAVE A PUD ON MY SIDE YARD OR AM REQUIRED TO DO THIS AND I WILL THE CHANGED AND WE DO NOT FIND UNTIL WE SUBMIT PLANS OR GO DO IT AND WE HAVE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA TODAY FOR A COMPANY THAT WENT OUT AND DID THEIR OWN THING WHEN THEY WERE CITED FOR THE CODE VIOLATIONS , MY COMMENT IS ASHLEY HEARD ME SAY THE OTHER DAY I'M LOOKING AT BEING MORE REVOLUTIONARY. THIS IS THE WORST METRO AREA HAVE EVER SEEN WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPING.

EVERYTHING IS SO COMP LOCATED. A PLAT TAKES 12 TO 15 MONTHS, PERMITTING TAKES A YEAR TO TWO YEARS AND WE ARE NOT INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE AND I HAVE BEEN IN METRO AREAS WHERE THEY GO YOU'RE BUILDING HOME DEPOT? YOU KNOW HOW WE DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU HOW TO BUILD A HOME DEPOT JUST MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT KILLING ANYBODY. THE ROAD SET UP AND YOU FOLLOW THE IBC, INSTEAD IN CENTRAL TEXAS WE HAVE TO TELL YOU WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, HOW YOU'RE GOING TO PUT YOUR SIGNS AND COLOR IF YOU HAVE COLOR AND BROTHER TEND TO GET DONE MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO COME TO HUTTO UNDER THE OLD CODE DUE TO THE EXCESSIVE NATURE THE CITY IS INVOLVED SEE UP TO HIRE MORE PEOPLE BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY IF WHATABURGER WANTS TO BUILD A BUILDING IS THAT THE END OF THE WORLD? I DON'T KNOW WE HAVE TO REGULATE EVERYTHING , IN SAYING THAT THERE ARE THINGS I WONDER ABOUT. WE TALKED BEFORE DRIVEWAY WITH. EVERYBODY I KNOW SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE ADDING THEIR OWN ADDITION TO DRIVEWAYS IN AN EFFORT SO THE DRIVEWAY IS WIDE ENOUGH TO PARK THE TRUCK AND STEP OUT ON THE GRASS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT GOT CHECKED BUT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF EVERYBODY IS DOING IT OR THERE'S AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THE EXPLORER WON'T FIT IN THE DRIVEWAY WITHOUT CROSSING THE SIDEWALK WHICH IS A VIOLATION BUT WHAT DO YOU DO? THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BACK ALLEYS SO YOU CANNOT PARK ON THE STREET SO THIS PERSON IS BREAKING THE LAW EVERY DAY WE HAVE A GARAGE F1 50 CANNOT FIT IN BUT EVERYBODY IN TEXAS KNOW SOMEBODY WITH A F1 50. WE SEEM TO WORRY ABOUT MORE HOW THE GARAGE LOOKS AND THE OVERALL SCHEME OF THE HOUSE WHICH TO ME I THINK LENORE KNOWS WHAT SELLS AND WHAT DOESN'T. THEN WE'RE TELLING THEM HERE'S HOW YOU GO AND MEANWHILE EVERYBODY PARKS ON THE STREET AND WE GO TO RESURFACE STREETS AND WE ARE ASKING 200 CARS TO MOVE OF THE STREET. LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S THE LEVEL I'M GETTING TO IN THE REAL NITTY-GRITTY NOT SO MUCH WORK IN A TREE ARE YOU PUTTING IN YOUR FRONT YARD? I HAVE A LIVE OAK IN MY FRONT YARD, IN 20 YEARS WE WILL BE CHOPPING IT TO PIECES BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE A LIMB LIKE THIS OVER THE HOUSE SO THAT THE BEST TREE TO BE PUT IN THE FRONT YARD? SHOULD WE REQUIRE PEOPLE TO PUT TREES IN FRONT YARDS? I IMAGINE MOST BUILDERS WOULD DO THAT ANYWAY. AGAIN A LOT OF CITIES REQUIRING CERTAIN TREES IN A CERTAIN SPOT IN A CERTAIN WAY AND WE ARE PLAYING DEVELOPER AND MAYBE IT'S EASIER TO LET PEOPLE DO OTHER THINGS TO LET THEM BE CREATIVE AND COME UP WITH NEW LOOKS OF HOMES BUT I THOUGHT I WOULD THROW IT OUT THERE .

HOPING TO REVOLUTIONIZE THINGS AND THE LAST THING I WILL SAY IS

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ME IS LIKE IT CAN BE BETTER. >> WE WORK A LOT AROUND CODES IN CENTRAL TEXAS AND THE REGIONAL APPROACH TO CODES DOES HAVE SOME CHALLENGES. WHAT WE HAVE TRIED TO DO IS BUILD GOOD ADMINISTRATIVE FLEXIBILITY AND CREATE SPACE FOR CREATIVITY AND WITHOUT PROMPTING A HUGE BUREAUCRATIC PROCESS. THINKING OF YOUR SITUATION WITH SCREENING TREES WITH THE DATA CENTER. IS PROVIDING LANGUAGE WHERE THEY CAN PRESENT AN ALTERNATIVE. THAT MEETS IN 10 OR RECOGNIZES THIS LAYOUT IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT WE PUT HERE UNLESS WE PUT UP A 50 FOOT WALL SO HOW ABOUT WE PROPOSE TO DO THIS INSTEAD WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE. SO BUILDING IN THAT FLEXIBILITY. THINGS YOU MENTIONED LIKE THE SIZE OF VEHICLES RELATIVE TO DRIVEWAY AND GARAGE IS THAT SOMETHING WE HAVE TRIED TO ADDRESS AS WELL AS WHAT YOU PRESUME FOR MINIMUM PARKING SPACE SIZE. SO WE TRY TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THOSE THINGS LIKE THE MICRO FRUSTRATIONS THAT APPEAR WITHIN CODES THAT BY THEMSELVES ARE NOT THAT BOTHERSOME BUT WHEN YOU COLLECT THEM THEY ARE VEXATIOUS AND RETRY TO ADDRESS THAT. HUMBLED ASSOCIATION WAS A GREAT RESOURCE. WE HAVE THEM LOOK AT WHAT WAS PROPOSED TO SEE IF THIS WOULD WORK WITH YOU. DO YOU THINK IT HAS FLEXIBILITY FOR WHERE THE MARKET MIGHT GO IN THE FUTURE? BEING THE KEY PIECE TO THIS. PROCEDURE EARLY THIS IS SET UP TO RECOGNIZE IN THE DEVELOPMENT WORLD, TIME IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR. SO THIS SHOULD STREAMLINE AND WORK EFFICIENTLY AND SET UP DESIGN PROFESSIONALS FOR SUCCESS.

>> HERE'S ONE A SIGN POLE DEFINED AS A FREESTANDING SITE SUPPORTED BY ONE OR MORE EXPOSED POLES. A SIGN PYLON IS A FREESTANDING SITE SUPPORTED BY ONE OR MORE EXPOSED TUBULAR POLES. ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE THE SAME THING BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS LIKE THAT, THERE'S NO WAY TO COMBINE SOME OF THIS? TO WHERE WE HAVE TO 15 DEFINITIONS OF SIGNS? TO ME THAT IS WHERE THE DEBATE COMES WHERE PEOPLE ARE SUBMITTING AND ARGUING AND WANTING VARIANCES. I THINK IT IS A SIGN POLE NOT A PYLON. THINGS LIKE THAT, MAYBE I'M BEING PICKY BUT THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE

SAME THING. >> WE ARE HAPPY TO MAKE ANOTHER PASS THROUGH THIS. THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE ARE HERE TONIGHT.

>> IS STUFF LIKE THAT CRAZY? A SIGN POLE IS A POLE AND A PYLON ? I THOUGHT ALL POLLS WERE CIRCULAR. TO ME JUST LET THE PERSON BUILD THE SITE AND IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN 20 FEET TALL AND KUDOS TO YOU IF YOU PUT STONE AND BRICK AND IF IT LOOKS LIKE CRAP EVERYBODY'S GOING TO TALK TRASH ON YOUR. WE HAVE A LOT OF WEIRD LOOKING SIGNS THAT HAVE MET THE CODE.

>> MY ONE REQUEST, ONE THING WE LOOKED AT MAYBE IT HAS BEEN

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ZERO? WHY NOT? >> YOU NEED ONE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

>> AGAIN THIS METRO AREA SAYS THAT BUT OTHER METRO AREAS, THEY DON'T. IT IS A RIGHT-OF-WAY SO UNDERSTANDING IS THE PUD IS NOT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND STREET THAT'S THE

SIDEWALK TO THE HOUSE. >> USUALLY BY THE CURB OF 2000 THE PROPERTY LINE FOR PRIVATE UTILITIES BUT THEIR PUBLIC .

>> HOW ABOUT WE START PUTTING UTILITIES FOR THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND MAKE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY BIGGER AND THAT WE MAKE THE FULL USE , THE LAND I PAY TAXES ON, I WANT TO MAKE LANDSCAPING AND I DON'T WANT THE CITY TO COME BY AND RIP IT OUT. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUE, IT'S EASIER BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT BETTER. BETTER THAT A SOUND ONE SIDE. I HAVE A SHED SIX FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE BECAUSE THERE IS A PUE . HAVE SIX, 10 OR

FIVE, 10, FIVE. >> IT'S CRAZY THERE'S NOTHING

GOING THERE. >> MY QUESTION WAS IS EAST END OF THE EASEMENT ON THE EXISTING PROPERTY WHERE THEY ARE STOPPED?

>> WE CAN GO BACK AND CHANGE THEM.

>> WE SAY THAT, IS THERE A WAY TO HAVE IN THE CODE THAT ANY PROPERTY PLOTTED PRIOR TO JUNE 5, 2025 THE SIDE AND REAR YARD KOLAR PUE DOES NOT TO BE FOLLOWED ?

>> WE HAD THE DEBATE WHEN WE ADOPTED RIGHT-OF-WAY ORDINANCE TO HAVE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND PUBLIC UTILITY MET. IS THAT WHAT YOU

WERE GOING TO SPEAK TO? >> TO PART OF THAT INTO THE SIDE

AND REAR YARD. >> WE HAVE A SEPARATE PART OF THE CODE THAT DEALS WITH RIGHT-OF-WAY MANAGEMENT BECAUSE ALL THE TROUBLE WE HAD WITH DIFFERENT UTILITIES AND PRIVATE UTILITIES AND DIGGING UP PEOPLE'S YARDS.

>> WHAT HE IS ASKING IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE PUE ANYMORE. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE DEDICATED TO THE PUBLIC SO I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD BE THE ONES TO RELEASE THE EASEMENT BACK YOU KNOW? WHO OWNS AFTER

THAT. >> YOU GUYS TELL US.

>> WE HAVE A PROCESS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID. WE REPROCESS THAT SAYS WHENEVER YOU HAVE EASEMENT IN FACT WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE RESIDENTS TRY TO GO TO THE PROCESS WITH US AND WE HAVE EASEMENT IN THE YARD WE WANT TO VACATE BUT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING TALKING TO THE OTHER UTILITY COMPANIES BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE BUT WE DON'T KNOW ENCORE AND AT&T AND SENTRY LINK AND SPECTRUM HAVE AND WE CANNOT CREATE A PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT AND LET THEM PUT INFRASTRUCTURE AND VACATE WITHOUT TALKING TO THEM FIRST. THAT'S THE ISSUE WE RUN INTO WITH A BLANKET POLICY ARPL THE DATE WE CAN VACATE EASEMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO VERIFY THERE WERE NO PUBLIC AGILITY LINES IN

ANY OF THOSE EASEMENTS. >> 10.20 3.3 IS ANNEXATION AND 10.20 3.2.3 , CRITERIA. ANNEXATION INITIALS ON REQUEST

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>> THERE ARE CERTAIN TIMES WHERE ANNEXATION IS NOT LEGAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT ADJACENT TO CITY. YOU CAN HAVE A IN LIEU OF ANNEXATION OR BE ADJACENT SO THERE ARE TIMES STATE LAW WOULD SAY YOU'RE NOT ADJACENT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE ANNEXED BUT

TYPICALLY . >> WHAT WOULD BE UDC CODE VIOLATION NOT ABLE TO ANNEXATION?

>> TYPICALLY WE COULD BE ACCEPTING A SITUATION SO THE ONE THAT COMES TO MIND THE MOST IS AN ITEM FROM ROUND ROCK IN THE 80S THAT WAS A BILLBOARD WEDNESDAY LAW CHANGED THE BILLBOARD WINNING WITHOUT PERMITTING THE CITY DID NOT WANT TO ANNEX BECAUSE THE CITY WOULD BE AGREEING TO SIGN STANDS SO IF IT IS NOT PERMITTED WE BRING UP SIGNS BECAUSE THEY ARE

APPLICABLE. >> IF YOU HAD A BILLBOARD ON 79 AND YOU WANTED TO ANNEX YOU ARE NOT BE ABLE TO?

>> A SIGNED ON WITHOUT PERMIT AND DID NOT MEET CODE WHICH WE HAVE AND THEY WANTED TO ANNEX WE DON'T HAVE A CODE VIOLATION.

>> SO WOULD BE ARBITRARY NO ? >> THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE DOWN WHATEVER THEY DID WITHOUT PERMITS.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YES BECAUSE MAYBE IT'S A 200 ACRE SITE WE WANT IN THE CITY AND WE DON'T WANT THEM TO BE A MUD OR SOMETHING ELSE. I DON'T WANT A SIGN , I GUESS I WANT MORE DISCRETION FOR US TO WHERE IT'S NOT ARBITRARY. HOW DO WE TAKE THE SIGN DOWN INSTEAD OF YOU HAVE TO BECAUSE AGAIN I TALKED TO JAMES ABOUT THIS.

EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO GO TO GET OUT OF THE CITY AND I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THINGS I DON'T KNOW. LESS REQUIREMENTS. IN AN

EFFORT TO KEEP THEM IN THE CITY. >> CHANCE AND ASHLEY WHERE LIKE IN THE DOCUMENTS WORD SAYS CONFORMS TO STATE LAW AFTER REVIEWING IVAN ONLY BEEN ABLE TO FIND TWO OR THREE TIMES WHERE IT REFERENCES CONFORMS TO STATE LAW. PLACES WHERE YOU POST CONFORMS TO STATE LAW , IS STATE LAW CLEAR ON WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO NOT LEAVING SUBJECTIVE TO WHERE WE WOULD COME BACK AND

POTENTIALLY MAKE CHANGES ? >> WE SEE THE LANGUAGE POP-UP IS AREAS WITH LEGISLATIVE ACTIVITY. ANNEXATION IS A GREAT EXAMPLE THE LEGISLATURE HAS BEEN ACTIVE ADJUSTING SOMETHING EVERY 4 TO 6 YEARS IN ORDER TO SAVE YOU FROM HAVING TO AMEND COAT BECAUSE YOU GOT TOO SPECIFIC WE JUST CROSS-REFERENCE BACK.

>> WE HAD ISSUES WITH WHAT THE STATE LAW SAY? STATE LAW IS UNCLEAR SO I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE AMBIGUITY.

>> WE PUT REFERENCE TO THE STATE LAW IN A FOOTNOTE?

>> ON THAT PART I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

>> IF WE CAN HAVE THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

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>> YOU CAN CROSS-REFERENCE. >> WHAT I HAVE DONE IS AFTER WE PUT THE STATE LAW AS AMENDED TO COVER FUTURE AMENDMENT THAT'S

HOW I HAVE DONE IT. >> ONE OF THE QUESTIONS. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU PERCEIVE IF WE ADOPT THIS TONIGHT OR WHATEVER COMES OUT OF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION EFFECTIVE AS OF SEPTEMBER THAT'S ALREADY CONFLICT THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT IS NOT IN THE DOCUMENT TODAY?

>> THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE LOOKING AT CURRENTLY, TO SEE WHAT IS GOING TO BE LIKE BASICALLY WATCHING FOR VETOES.

RIGHT NOW WHAT WE HAVE THE UDC WRITTEN ARE COMPLYING WITH EVERYTHING THEY ARE CONFIDENT WILL STAND AND KEEP GOING, THERE WERE A BUNCH OF AMENDMENTS THE LAST COUPLE DAYS OF THE SESSION SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE READ THEM CLOSELY HAVE A GOOD CONVERSATION ALONG THE WAY TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE AND WE NEED TO TAKE THIS FOR ACTUAL ADOPTION CLEAN AND

ALIGNED. READY FOR SEPTEMBER 1. >> ANYTHING YOU ARE STILL WAITING ON IN REGARDS TO CHANGES OR THINGS LIKE THAT? ANYTHING YOU ARE WAITING ON FROM A DECISION?

>> EVERYTHING PASSED THE HOUSE AND SENATE IS PASSED AND ON, WE'RE WAITING TO SEE WHAT DATES THINGS BECOME OFFICIAL. WILL BE ACCELERATED EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATE, IS A GOVERNMENT GOING TO VETO ARE COMMON WITHOUT SIGNATURE AND WATCH FOR THAT. WE KNOW WITHIN 30 DAYS WE WILL KNOW IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR SURE FOR SURE. WHAT WE LOOK AT WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT WE ARE NOT EXPECTING MAJOR VIDEOS TO IMPACT THE CODE AT THIS POINT SO WE HAVE GOT MOST OF IT IN THERE. A COUPLE OF THEM HAD LAID AMENDMENTS WHICH WERE WRITTEN FUNNY SO WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND THEM CORRECTLY.

>> ON THIS TOPIC WITH LEGISLATION RECENTLY THE WHOLE THIRD-PARTY REVIEW IDEA OR POLICY HAS BECOME A BIG TOPIC IN THE LEGISLATURE. THERE WAS A BILL ON REVIEW OF PLATS AND EVERY THING REGARDING THE CITY COME ALL OF THESE STIPULATIONS HAVE TO BE ON THE WEBSITE IS NOT AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE AFTER HE READILY OF AVAILABLE OR EMAILED BY STAFF, DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE LANGUAGE. HOW ARE WE AS A CITY GOING TO STANDARDIZE THAT SOME OF THE OPTION IS TO GO THROUGH THE THIRD REVIEW TO USE THAT AS AN OPTION SO THERE FOLLOWING OUR CODES , HOW, I GUESS IS TRYING TO STREAMLINE AND MAKE IT EASILY

UNDERSTANDABLE. >> THIS IS A PROCESS AND FAMILIAR WITH. I HAVE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH DEVELOPMENT SIDE ENGINEERS. VERY SIMILAR THINGS WHICH IS THEY WOULD BE NERVOUS ASSESSING COMPLIANCE AND APPLYING THEIR SEAL THAT THIS COMPLIES WITH LOCAL CITY ORDINANCES WITHOUT THE CITY WITHOUT BEING EMPOWERED BY THE CITY AS A CLIENT, THEY'RE PRETTY NERVOUS ABOUT THAT THINKING ABOUT RISK MATRIX THAT THEY THINK ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS. SO THERE'S THAT ASPECT OUT THERE ALREADY. WHEN WE WRITE THE CODES WE TRY TO WRITE THEM SO IT'S CLEAR STANDARDS CROSS-REFERENCE UNCLEAR. SO THIS IS SET UP WHERE IF SOMEONE STEPS IN THE THIRD-PARTY SPACE THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THIS AND DETERMINE. THE CATCH IS IF THEY DETERMINE ACCURATELY BECAUSE YOSEMITE COMING IN FROM THE OUTSIDE, THE FIRST TIME THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE CODE. THERE ARE ODDS THEY MAY MISINTERPRET SOMETHING AND THAT'S THE CHALLENGE RUN INTO WITH THE THIRD-PARTY APPROACH. MORE, THAN YOU SEE IS FOR CITIES TO ENGAGE IN IMPROVED THIRD-PARTY AND THE APPLICANT CAN SAY I WANT TO USE THIRD-PARTY, I WANT TO USE ONE OF THE THREE YOU HAVE APPROVED AND SELL THROUGH IT THAT WAY.

>> WE HAVE APPROVED VENDORS IS THAT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO COME

UP? >> MAKE THE CODE WORD CAN'T BE MISINTERPRETED. MAKE IT EASIER BECAUSE YOU'RE MOVING THE BOUNDARY LINE RIGHT? CONSOLIDATING THREE PARCELS TO

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ONE, I MEAN. >> FOR A LOT OF THIS WE HAVE CONTENT AND COMPLETE CHECKLISTS EVERY SAY HERE ARE THE THINGS WE EXPECT TO SEE ON THE PLAT AND CROSS-REFERENCE THE CODE WITH ALL THE COAT CITATIONS OF WHITES REQUIRED IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE MISINTERPRETED WE PUT A NOTE IN THIS IS WHY HERE'S ANOTHER SESSION GIVING MORE INFORMATION .

>> HOW MUCH THAT HAS TO BE PART OF THE PLAT?

>> IS VERY IMPORTANT, IT DEFINES.

>> OUT OTHER METRO AREAS GET THIS DONE WITHOUT THE COMPLICATED, WHAT IS IT ABOUT CENTRAL TEXAS THAT MAKES IT SO COME TO GET IT OR YOU GO TO ANOTHER PLACE IN TEXAS AND THEY DO NOT HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS? AND THEY DON'T HAVE DISASTERS.

>> I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHICH OTHER CITIES TO SEE HOW IT'S DIFFERENT FROM OURS PRELIMINARY IS YOUR BULK OF THE WORK AND FINAL PLATS ARE EASIER . SO TAKING CARE OF EVERYTHING CENTRAL TEXAS IS LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN YOU DO THE PRELIM, FINALS CAN WAIT AROUND FOR YOU TO FINISH CONSTRUCTION PLAN PROCESS. WE ARE LOOKING AT THE CODE TO GO TO A DALLAS FORMAT OR NORTH TEXAS FORMAT , LOOKING AT PRELIM GET THE WORK DONE.

>> TO REQUIRE FLOOD STUDY FOR A PLAT?

>> DEPENDS ON THE PROPERTY. >> WHY WOULD A FLOOD STUDY MATTER HOW MUCH YOU HAVE ON YOUR PROPERTY TO MOVE A BOUNDARY LINE 10 FEET OVER OR TO COMBINE TWO PARCELS INTO ONE?

>> THAT COMES DOWN TO THE PRIMARY PURPOSE TO MAKE SURE ALL-PURPOSE IS ORDERLY SUBDIVISION OF LAND. WHEN YOU CAN HAVE HAPPENED IF YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT PRESENCE OF THE FLOODPLAIN IS THE CREATION OF NON-BUILDABLE LOTS.

>> WE ARE COMBINING. ONE HAS ACCESS, ONE LOT HAS ACCESS, I WANT TO TAKE THIS AWAY AND MAKE TWO POTS WITH ONE ACCESS POINT.

>> WHERE IT IS A RE-PLAT COMBINING WITH NO FURTHER SUBDIVISION IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S TRIGGERED, THAT STANDARD IS TRIGGERED IN CERTAIN CIRCLES.

>> WE HAVE A PLOT OF LAND WITH NOT ONE TREE ON IT AND THEY

REQUIRED TO DO A TREE SURVEY. >> THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO A TREE SURVEY BECAUSE OF THE CHECKLIST BUT WHEN YOU TALK TO STAFF THERE'S NO TREES I HAVE WAIVED THAT, GIVE ME A LETTER

SAYING THERE ARE NO TREES. >> WHO MAKES THE LETTER THAT

SAYS YOU DON'T NEED THE SURVEY? >> WE DO THAT DURING PREDEVELOPMENT , WE HAVE A CAVEAT AND APPLICATION IT SAYS IF THIS DOES NOT APPLY YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING FROM STAFF AGREEING TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT.

>> WHY DO YOU NEED A TREE SURVEY? WE ARE MOVING BOUNDARY

LINES. >> MOVING A BOUNDARY LINE AND YOU HAVE TO REMOVE A TREE THAT'S OTHERWISE PROTECTED WE

NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IT. >> ALL RIGHT. I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, SOMEONE HAS A 12 INCH HICKORY TREE AND THEY MOVE THE LINE TROPHY OVER YOU MAKE THEM HIRE A CONSULTANT TO PUT ON THE MAP THERE IS A 10 INCH HICKORY.

>> IT HAS TO BE ON THERE, THAT'S A PROTECTED TREE.

>> WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT TO US? >> WE CARE ABOUT MAINTAINING

LEGACY TREES. >> WE ARE NOT TALKING THE 40

INCH OAK. >> THEY WANT TO PROTECT MATURE TREES. SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE GETTING INTO PERSONAL BUSINESS

VERSUS THE CITY STUFF. >> GENERALLY THE EXAMPLE I AM HEARING YOU USE IS MOVE THE LINE I WOULD ASSUME THAT MEANS YOU HAVE THE PROPERTY PLOTTED AND HAVE TWO LOTS ERASING A LINE IN THE MIDDLE THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM 200 ACRES SUBDIVIDING INTO A BUNCH OF LOTS. MOST OF THE RULES FOR THE SECOND COMING OF THE FIRST. THAT'S WHY IN YOUR CASE IF YOU HAVE TWO LOTS ALREADY LEGALLY PLOTTED COMBINING INTO ONE LOT MOST OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE WAIVED.

>> TO ME THAT HIS STAFF WORK WHEN AGAIN FOR THE TREE YOU IN A PUFF PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH A TREE ON IT IF YOU WANT TO CUT IT

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IS YOUR PROPERTY. >> THAT IS PREDOMINANTLY FOR DEVELOPERS WHO COME IN AND WILL BULLDOZE EVERYTHING. COMPLIANT BRENDA TREES THAT GENERATES THOSE SORTS OF RULES.

>> I GET IT THAT IT IS THEIR PROPERTY.

>> THIS IS A POLICY CHOICE FOR YOUR.

>> THAT'S WHY I AM BRINGING THIS UP. I HEAR THAT PEOPLE ARE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND NEXT TIME I HEAR THAT WANT TO ABOLISH THE ENTIRE UDC BECAUSE THE UDC DOES EVERYTHING TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO WITH THE PROPERTY. A LOT OF APRAXIA WITH NOISE I WILL BUILD A FOUR-STORY HOTEL NEXT TO YOUR PROPERTY. I HAVE CONCERN FOR THAT. IF IT IS YOU HAVING A 10 INCH HICKORY TREE AND YOU WANT TO CUT IT DOWN THEN CUT IT DOWN. YOU HAVE A LIVE OAK HANGING OVER YOUR HOUSE I WOULD CUT IT DOWN TOO. IT SO BIG I DON'T WANT MY FAMILY DINING WHEN THE LIMB FALLS DOWN BUT HOW DOES THAT BOTHER THE NEIGHBOR OR THE GUY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CITY. EVEN IF WE PASS THIS TONIGHT GOD WILLING WE WILL BRING IT UP IN A COUPLE WEEKS AND REALLY GO THROUGH IT BECAUSE I'M NOT IN A RUSH. WE HAVE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HERE? WE RUN THEM THROUGH THE RINGER ON CODE AND MAKE ANOTHER SEPARATE AGREEMENT WITH A BUNCH OF VARIANCES. LET'S GIVE IT TO THE SCHOOL FIGURE OUT HOW YOU WANT TO BUILD SCHOOLS PUT IT IN THE CODE AND CALL THE DAY AND NOT WASTE MORE STAFF TIME , COUNCIL TIME AND ISD TIME. THEY KNOW HOW TO BUILD SCHOOLS. IT IS ALL THAT ALL THE WAY THROUGH LET'S NOT RUSH THIS, LET'S DO SOMETHING NO ONE IS DOING AND GO WHAT TO THE PEOPLE OF HUTTO CARE ABOUT? IF THEY TRULY DON'T CARE LET'S NOT WORRY ABOUT THE 10 INCH HICKORY OR WHATEVER BUT IF THEY ALL CARE ABOUT IT THEN LET'S GET DOWN AND INSPECT EVERY TREE TO MAKE SURE THEY DO IT RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I'M LOOKING FOR, THE POLICY.

>> KIND OF SWITCHING GEARS TO THE UNDERGROUND UTILITY LINES.

I'M DEFINITELY AN ADVOCATE OF UNDER GROUNDING THE UTILITY LINES. I AM AWARE ENCORE HAD A HICK UP PREVIOUSLY. WE HAVE A LOT OF UNDEVELOPED LAND SO GETTING THE CONNECTION POINT ON 79 ON THE MAIN AREAS , BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THEY WERE REQUIRED TO UNDERGROUND TO GET TO THE UNDEVELOPED LAND WOULD BE EASIER AND LESS COSTLY FOR THE INDUSTRIAL SITE TO HAVE ABOVE GROUND UTILITY. TO GET TO IT THEN ON THE PROPERTY HAVE THE UNDERGROUND . IN THE UDC IS THAT ADDRESSED? THERE HAS TO BE SOME GIVE-AND-TAKE WHEN IT MAKES SENSE. WE HAVE WIDE-OPEN SPACES TO DEVELOP IT HAS TO MAKE SENSE AND NOT BE TOO COSTLY TO MOVE FROM THE SOURCE HALF A MILE ABOVE GROUND AND THEN TO DEVELOP WITHIN LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD AND PUT EVERYTHING UNDERGROUND. IS THAT ADDRESSED TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY?

>> MY RECOLLECTION OF THE FLEXIBILITY ON THE UNDERGROUND HAS TO DO WITH THE VOLTAGE LEVELS TRANSFERRED. HIGHER VOLTAGE AND LARGER TRANSMISSIONS ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO PUT UNDERGROUND. SO WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR THAT, BUT FOR DISTRIBUTION LINES IT'S TYPICAL TO GO UNDERGROUND. IT IS RARE TO BE SUCH A LONG JUMP THAT IT CANNOT BE ACCOUNTED FOR. IF THEY HAVE ABOVE GROUND THE NEXT PERSON DEVELOPS BRAND-NEW LINES ABOVE GROUND AND THEY WILL BURY THEM. SO STRING TO GET OUT AHEAD OF THAT. IN TERMS OF HOW YOU WOULD APPROACH THAT. THIS IS AN AREA WHERE WE HAVE LANGUAGE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE DISCRETION TO THE CITY ENGINEER AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. FOR THE WEIRD

CIRCUMSTANCE. >> WHICH ARE TEENS THESE AT A

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>> THAT WOULD MAKE ME TEAR UP, TOO .

>> YOU CRY? >> I TRY NOT TO.

>> MINUTES.

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>> SO OVERALL DO YOU THINK THAT THE UDC, HOPEFULLY IT GOT CLEANER GOING FROM THE SAID THIS BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT HAVE WENT FROM SUPER SIMPLE TO LITTLE MORE DETAILS BECAUSE WE ARE SEEKING OVERALL OUTCOMES WITH WATER CONSERVATION AND THINGS OF THAT SORT. SO IT SORT OF FLEXIBLE WITH THINGS BECAUSE WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WITH THIS IS THAT IT GIVES SIMPLE, BUT WITH THE GRAPHICS THAT MIGHT ADD EXTRA PAGES SO PEOPLE CAN FOLLOW THAT WELL. I GUESS WOULD YOU SAY OVERALL THAT IS KIND OF THE GENERAL TONE OF THE ENGINEERING MANUAL AND THE UDC?

>> IN GENERAL YES THAT'S THE MAIN PURPOSE WHEN WE STARTED THIS TO STREAMLINE, CLEAN IT UP AND PROVIDE OPTIONS AND MULTIPLE PATHWAYS TO COMPLIANCE SO YOU'VE GOT THE SPACE FOR THE WEIRD CIRCUMSTANCES YOU RUN INTO WITHOUT HAVING TO GO DOWN VARIANCE PATHWAY AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE THERE'S OPTIONS LIKE WHERE I HAVE THE CIRCUMSTANCE AND I WILL COMPLY THIS WAY OR I CAN PROPOSE SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND JUSTIFY IT.

>> ALL RIGHT SO THE COMMENTS , WE WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING.

>> DO YOU WANT US TO? >> WILL HAVE TO ADVERTISE THIS.

>> CLOSING PUBLIC HEARING 6:57 P.M. JUNE 5. ADJOURN THE MEETING

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