[8.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, and Area Government appointments.]

COUNCIL. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 8.1 CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPOINTMENTS, REAPPOINTMENTS AND/OR REMOVAL TO CITY COURTS COMMISSIONS TASK FORCES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION'S LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX

REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARD . >> WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY UPDATES. I DID REACH OUT TO ALL THE BOARD AND COMMISSION CHAIRS TO SEE WHERE WE STAND ON WHO WANTS TO RE-UP THOSE COMING UP WITH TERMS ENDING JUNE 30. WE WILL CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH THOSE AND PLEASE APPLY WE HAVE SOME OPENINGS. WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE MORE OPENINGS. SO PLEASE GO ONLINE. BE WILLING TO SERVE. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS I KNOW ANYBODY HERE WILL ANSWER THOSE AND WE CAN POINT YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. PEOPLE THAT ARE PASSIONATE, ABOUT LIBRARY WE KNOW WHO TO SEND YOU TO PARKS ET

CETERA THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> I'VE GOT A QUESTION. SO WHAT'S THE HOLDUP WITH BEING ABLE TO POINT PEOPLE TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS? THIS IS THE THIRD MEETING IN A ROW WHERE WE

HAD NO APPOINTMENTS? CURIOUS . >> I LOOKED UP LAST YEAR BY JUNE

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WE HAD MADE 38 APPOINTMENTS, WE HAVE DONE THREE THIS YEAR.

>> THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT WENT OUT MAY 27 TALL THE BOARD AND COMMISSION CHAIRS STATING WE ARE NO LONGER DOING ANY SORT OF NOMINATION OR INTERVIEWS UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION. THIS WAS SOMETHING I SENT OUT VIA CITY MANAGER TODAY BECAUSE I WAS UNAWARE WE HAD COME TO THE DECISION. I WAS NOT CONSULTED AND SO FOR US TO JUST SAY WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANTED AND I EXPRESSED THAT IN AN EMAIL TO COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD ON JUNE 5 OR WAIT THAT'S TODAY. ON THE 29TH ASKING YOU KNOW WHERE DID THIS DECISION COME FROM? WE STILL HAVE COUNCILMEMBER CLARK ON CITY COUNCIL SO I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING . I HAVE YET TO HEAR BACK FROM COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD ON THAT, BUT I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW, FOLKS WHO HAVE SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS, FOLKS THAT ARE WAITING TO HEAR BACK I AM KIND OF CONFUSED AS TO

THE HOLDUP AS WELL. >> I WOULD LIKE TO WEIGH IN THAT COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD LEFT ME OFF THE EMAIL CHAIN AND ADDED THE MAYOR WHO IS NOT EVEN PART OF THE COMMITTEE. ONCE AGAIN THE KIND OF THINGS YOU SEE HE WILL DO THAT HE WANTS TO THWART THE ABILITY OF LEGALLY ELECTED PEOPLE TO DO THEIR JOB BECAUSE HE DOES NOT LIKE THEM AND IT WAS CONCERTED EFFORT TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER ELECTION IN THE NEXT MEETING WILL BE JUNE 26 WITH ALL THE TERMS EXPIRING JUNE 30 SO AS YOU INTERVIEW A TON OF PEOPLE TO FILL VOIDS AND THEY MAY HAVE QUORUM ISSUES THAT WOULD CAUSE SEVERE PROBLEMS SPECIFICALLY FOR TRENTON AND WE HAVE INTERVIEWED A COUPLE OF CANDIDATES THAT WERE PRETTY GOOD, THE CHAIR WAS THERE. COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD WAS THERE AND SAID I WANTED TO WAIT TO INTERVIEW EVERYONE ELSE AND HE PUT IT ON HOLD RETROACTIVELY ON A WHIM IT SEEMS LIKE SO WE DID WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES WITH THE MAYOR AND ACTIVITY HE DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO.

>> I HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING. ZERO. I WAS COPIED ON AN EMAIL I HAVE DONE NOTHING. I KNOW THIS IS YOUR LAST MEETING AND I APPRECIATE YOU GOING OUT WITH A BANG. WE WERE ON EMAILS A MONTH OR TWO AGO HE WAS TRIED TO SET UP MEETINGS. EXCUSE ME SIR DID I INTERRUPT YOU? YOU ARE BLOWING THEM OFF UNABLE TO GO TO MEETINGS, COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON WAS BLOWING THEM OFF TO NOT GO TO MEETINGS, YOU HAVE NO CALL NO-SHOWS . WE HAD A BIG MEETING AND YOU MADE IT A POINT HE COULD BE THE CHAIRPERSON SO YOU DON'T LIKE THE DECISION I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU BUT DON'T INCLUDE ME. YOU GUYS SAID YOU'RE THE CHAIRPERSON THEN YOU DO IT AND YOU ARE THE ONES BLOWING OFF MEETINGS NOT SHOWING UP MAKING THINGS DIFFICULT. WHAT I WOULD DO DON'T WASTE PUBLIC TIME THROWING OUT ACCUSATIONS ABOUT ME BECAUSE I'M NOT PART OF THIS. PICK UP THE PHONE WHEN YOU'RE IN TOWN AND REACH OUT TO COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD AND SAY CAN WE MEET ? THAT WOULD SOLVE A LOT OF THIS VIDEO TO PLAY GAMES THAT'S FINE. POINT

OF ORDER. >> YOU POINT OF ORDER ME WHENEVER I SPEAK WHICH SEEMS A LITTLE DISCRIMINATIVE WHEN YOU DON'T POINT OF ORDER ANYBODY ELSE. AT THE SAME TIME I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN SAY I WAS BLOWING OFF A MEETING WHENEVER YOU'RE NOT COPIED ON EMAILS. KEEP THINKING THAT HAMMER. WHEN YOU'RE NOT PART OF EMAILS WHENEVER YOU'RE NOT PART OF THE COMMITTEE SO HOW DO YOU KNOW WE WERE BLOWING OFF

MEETINGS? >> I WAS IN THE MIDDLE TALKING.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AND BECAUSE YOU REFUSE TO FOLLOW DECORUM, WE HAD A MEETING YOU WERE HERE WHERE WE DISCUSSED EMAILS GOING AROUND THAT COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL ABOUT MEETINGS NOT BEING HAD BY YOUR. THAT'S WHEN YOU GUYS DECIDED TO MAKE HIM CHAIRPERSON.

>> THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE DISCUSSION. YOU MAY BE REMEMBERING WRONG. YOU MAY HAVE A LITTLE AMNESIA YOU MAY BE

WONDERING WRONG. >> THE LAST TIME YOU INTERRUPTED LIKE THIS WE CANCELED THE MEETING.

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>> THAT WAS YOU THAT MADE THE MOTION SO GO AHEAD.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? >> THE REASON I ASK IS I SAW THE EMAIL FORWARDED TO THE FULL COUNCIL AND I GUESS I AM CONFUSED AS TO WHY INTERVIEWS WOULD BE PUT ON HOLD FOR OVER A MONTH WHEN WE HAVE VACANCIES , WE HAVE APPLICATIONS AND WE HAVE THREE COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT ARE READY TO INTERVIEW. I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE I LOOKED UP LAST YEAR, BY JUNE WE HAD MADE 38 NOMINATIONS. WE HAVE DONE THREE SO I GUESS I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED BECAUSE I HAD CITIZENS REACH OUT TO ME SAYING I HAVE APPLIED AND I HAVE HEARD NOTHING. WHAT'S GOING ON? AM I NOT CONSIDERED? DID THE POSITION GET FILLED? I DON'T KNOW I'M NOT ON THE COMMITTEE ANYMORE YOU WANT TO TALK TO THE COMMITTEE. BUT I HAVE HAD MULTIPLE CITIZENS REACH OUT TO SAY I APPLIED, FOR WEEKS AND MONTHS WHAT'S GOING ON? I GUESS I AM CONCERNED NOW IT APPEARS THERE IS A CONCERTED EFFORT TO DELAY AFTER AN ELECTION WHICH WORRIED ME A LITTLE BIT. ANYWAY. I HOPE WE CAN GET THESE FILLED BECAUSE WE'VE PROBABLY GOT 30 APPOINTMENTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE BY THE END OF JUNE. A LOT OF WORK TO DO.

>> DO WE NOT GET THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION AS TO WHY WE KEEP DELAYING?

[8.2. Consideration and possible action regarding recommendations or updates from City Council sub-committees (i.e. Legislative, HISD).]

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I DO MIDPOINT TO CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RECOMMENDATIONS OR UPDATES CITY

COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE. >> NO UPDATES ON THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE. IT WAS GREAT WORKING WITH COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON ON THE FIRST GO AT THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE AND TRACKING THINGS, HOPEFULLY THE NEXT TWO YEARS WE WILL GET A LITTLE BETTER ABOUT IT, MAYBE MAKE SOME CHANGES, SEE IF CITY STAFF WANT TO BE INVOLVED. THERE WERE SOME CROSSHAIRS BETWEEN THINGS TO MAKE IT CLEAR AND MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE A CLEAR PATH ON HOW WE WANT TO TRACK THINGS AND HAVE A VOICE AS THE CITY OF HUTTO AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S KIND OF THE WRAPUP BUT I THINK IT WAS WORTHWHILE. A GOOD GO AT IT FOR THE FIRST TIME FOR THE COUNCIL.

ANYTHING. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD.

RECOMMENDATIONS GAVE AND WHAT WAS PUT OUT WERE IMPORTANT.

>> ANY OTHER ONES? WE DO NOT HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING.

[9.1. Presentation and update on the Justice Center Facility (CIP F02-2024) Planning and Programming Update. (Jeffrey Yarbrough)]

MOVING ON ITEM 9.1 PRESENTATION AND UPDATE JUSTICE IN A FACILITY. PLANNING AND PROGRAMMING UPDATE. CHIEF.

>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. CHIEF OF POLICE FOR HUTTO POLICE DEPARTMENT . I'M HERE TONIGHT INTRODUCED TWO MEMBERS OF THE BRINKLEY SERGEANT ARCHITECTURE FIRM RESPONSIBLE SELECTED BY THE COUNCIL TO DO THE FACILITY STUDY FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER FOR HUTTO POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE COURTS AS WELL. I HAVE GINA AND DANNY HERE WHO ARE GOING TO DO THEIR

PRESENTATION ON THIS. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. GOT TO BE HERE I AM A PRINCIPAL WITH PSW ARCHITECT. WE CAME TO YOU A FEW MONTHS AGO AS INITIAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH WITH DEPARTMENTS AND TALK TO YOU THROUGH HOW WE DETERMINED STAFFING GROWTH BY GOING THROUGH PUBLISHING PROJECTIONS AND COMPARISONS TO OTHER CITY WITH SPACE STANDARDS AND COMING FORWARD WITH SIZE AND REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FACILITIES. AT THAT TIME THERE WAS CONVERSATION ABOUT SHOWING US SOME EXHIBITS OF CASE STUDY FOR PHASING FACILITIES AND THAT IS PART OF THE PRESENTATION TO YOU THIS EVENING AND ALSO COMING TO YOU WITH OPTIONS ABOUT HUTTO DEVELOPMENT FOR THE COURT, POLICE AND EMERGENCY OPERATIONS

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AS WELL AS TRAINING COMPONENTS. WE WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THOSE ELEMENTS AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THANK YOU. AGAIN I REALLY JUST RECAPPED WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE FIRST TIME. SETTING THE STAGE FOR THE INFORMATION AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO TODAY IS SHOW THE EXAMPLE FROM A MASTER PLAN PERSPECTIVE FOR THE PROJECT, FOR HUTTO SHOWING EQUIVALENT OR SOMETHING SIMILAR. I WILL ALSO TALK ABOUT THE BUILDING COMPONENTS AND SIZE OF THE BUILDING COMPONENTS, HOW THOSE THINGS TRANSLATE INTO A MASTER PLAN AND PHASING ALONG WITH THE COST WE ARE SEEING AND MY PARTNER HERE WILL GET UP AND TALK ABOUT THE COST IN A MOMENT. ONCE WE ARE FINALIZED WITH TODAY WE WOULD LIKE YOUR FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION ON WHAT FEELS RIGHT, MAYBE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES YOU WOULD LIKE US TO EXPLORE AND COME BACK WITH, THAT'S WHAT WE HOPE TO HAVE MANAGEMENT AND DIALOGUE AND COLLABORATION TONIGHT TO MAKE SURE WE HONE IN ON THE RIGHT FIT FOR HUTTO. SO WE START WITH OUR EXAMPLE IS A CASE STUDY FOR THE CITY OF SALINA. IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR IT IS IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE METROPLEX IN COLLIN COUNTY, A RAPIDLY GROWING CITY. WORDS I'M SURE YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH.

WE APPROACHED THE PROJECT WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR A COMPLETE CAMPUS MASTER PLAN BECAUSE AT THE TIME WHEN THEY WERE DOING THE STUDY FOR A NEW FACILITY THE POPULATION WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 32,000 AND KNOWING THERE WOULD GET WELL INTO THE 300,000 APPROACHING BUILDOUT WHICH WILL BE IN MANY YEARS BUT THEIR RAPIDLY GROWING. THEY COULD NOT BITE OFF MOST OF THAT AND FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY SAY WHAT CAN WE DO PHASE 1 BUT BE SMART ABOUT THE NEXT STEP? THIS WAS A PHASE I APPROACH. THE ESSENTIALS FOR THEM AND HOW DOES IT GROW LATER ON? THIS SHOWS YOU THE MAIN FACILITY WAS 32,600 SQUARE FEET WITH BUILDING ASSET WHICH IS MORE GARAGE SPACE . THINGS THAT DON'T NEED HIGH-TECH BUT CAN BE SEPARATED FROM THE MAIN BUILDING SO IT IS LOWER COST FOR CONSTRUCTION AND THAT COULD BE GYMNASIUM SPACE, CRIME LABS, STORAGE AREAS AS WELL. THAT'S WHAT'S REPRESENTED PHASE I JUST AROUND 38,300 SQUARE FEET. BUT AS IT GROWS AND THIS WAS THE MASTER PLAN THAT EARLY STAGE, THE WHITE AREA SHOWS HOW IT CAN EXPAND FROM THE INITIAL CORE COMPONENT AND TO BE MINDFUL OF HOW DOES THE FLOW CONTINUE ON THE SITE AND YOU ARE STILL PLANNING FOR INSTANCE TRAINING COMPONENTS THAT WILL COME LATER, INDOOR FIRING RANGE AND CLASSROOM SPACE FOR POLICE AND FIRE AT THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY. AND ALSO A POTENTIAL JAIL DOWN THE ROAD. THEY DON'T HAVE THE JAIL NOW BUT THEY WANT TO KNOW COULD WE FIT THAT ON THIS PROPERTY? ONE OF THE COMPARISONS IS WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE JAIL FOR HUTTO, BUT A COURT COULD TRANSPOSE THE CONDITION AT A SITE PLAN LIKE THIS. SO THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY TO BE MINDFUL ABOUT THE FUTURE PLANNING AND ULTIMATELY THEY WERE GETTING UP TO 130,000 SQUARE FEET. WE ARE NOT IN THAT ZONE NECESSARY FOR HUTTO , BUT WANT TO GIVE YOU THAT IS A BIG SNAPSHOT IN THE POPULATION WOULD BE OVER 300,000. SO IT IS DEFINITELY A CHALLENGE TO THINK ABOUT WHERE DOES THAT GO. AGAIN WHAT FOSTERED THE IDEA OF DOING THE PHASED APPROACH. PHASE I OPENED LAST SUMMER AND SO AGAIN 38,000 SQUARE FEET THE TOTAL ALL IN BUDGET . CONSTRUCTION FEES , EQUIPMENT, CITY COMPONENTS BROUGHT INTO IT ALL TOLD WAS 37,800,000. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT?

>> SO THE POPULATION IS WHAT? >> THEIR POPULATION NOW IS ABOUT 60,000. WHEN WE STARTED THIS STUDY THERE WERE ABOUT 32 OR 35,000 SO FROM THE STUDY TO TODAY IT HAS BEEN ABOUT SIX YEARS SO YOU CAN SEE THE GROWTH HAS BEEN PRETTY EXPLOSIVE.

>> HOW MANY PHASES WAS THAT? >> RIGHT NOW THEY JUST BUILD

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PHASE 1. IT IS UP TO THEM, THE CHOICE CAN BE MULTIPLE PHASES.

AROUND THE MAIN BUILDING WOULD PROBABLY COME AS AN ENTIRE PHASE TO ITSELF, THE JAIL CAN COME AS A THIRD PHASE, TRAINING AS A THIRD PHASE, THOSE ARE PIECES , IT CAN BE PLUG AND PLAY, THE IDEA IS WE HAVE DONE INFRASTRUCTURE TO BEGIN WITH AT THE SITE ALREADY IN PLACE AND READY TO GO IN THE FUTURE WHEN

FUNDS ARE READY. >> IS THEIR UTILIZATION OF OTHER

ENTITIES OR JUST POLICE? >> RIGHT NOW IT IS POLICE, BUT UNDERNEATH WHERE I HAVE THE BOX FOR NUMBERS , THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS PLANNED TO ALSO HAVE A NEW FIRE STATION AS PART OF THE TOTAL COMPLEX THAT THE CITY OWNS. SO IT WOULD BE A SHARED LOCATION. ANOTHER COMPARISON FOR WHAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT EYE HUTTO. THERE IS A TRAINING COMPONENT. SALINA DID NOT NEED A THOUGHT TRACK OR SKILLS PAD FOR THOSE TYPES OF TRAINING ELEMENTS FOR VEHICLES. SO THAT HELPED TO DEFINE SOME POSSIBILITIES FOR HOW CLOSE THINGS COULD BE AND TRAINING COMPONENTS WE WILL SHOW YOU IN A MOMENT THOSE THINGS PLAYED INTO THE SIZE OF THE SITE WE ARE GIVING YOU A SENSE OF AND WHEN

WE PUT IT OUT AS A CONCEPT. >> THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> SO I WILL GO TO THAT CONCEPT AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE TOP PART OF IT IS TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT COULD BE POTENTIAL FOR A TRAINING FACILITY WHICH WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, SERVED AS A REGIONAL DRAW FOR THEM AS WELL AS FOR EXCELLENCE IN THEIR TRAINING AND TO REPLACE OR PROVIDE THINGS THAT HAVE NO CAPACITY TO DO CURRENTLY. AND SO THIS IS AN IDEA, THERE IS NOT A PARTICULAR SITE WE IDENTIFIED SO WE WANTED TO GIVE YOUR DEFINITION OF WHAT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO LOOK AT, WHICH WOULD BE 37 ACRES. THAT WOULD BE TO HOUSE EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE BUT OF COURSE YOU MAY NOT WANT TO DO THAT. LOOKING TO FOCUS A LITTLE BIT MORE WHERE THE STRUCTURES ARE. THIS IS CONCEPTUAL. WE WERE DOING A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH WOULD FIT, MAKING SURE PARKING WAS REQUIRED AND ADEQUATE WITH FLOW ON THE SITE BUT ALL THE PIECES ARE THERE. POLICE DEPARTMENT, MISCIBLE COURT, SHELTER COMPONENT, EMERGENCY OPERATIONS, POTENTIAL FOR DISPATCH TO BE PART OF THE CITY COMPLEX AS WELL AS TRAINING COMPONENTS. WE ARE SHOWING THAT AS MORE OF A NATURAL THOUGHT TO A SECONDARY PHASE OR LATER PHASE WHICH TRAINING, THOSE COULD BE INTERCHANGEABLE. SOMETHING YOU ARE TOLERANT OF AND HAVE A APPETITE FOR SO THAT IS PART OF

THE DISCUSSION. >> WHAT'S THE ACREAGE OF WHAT

YOU'RE SHOWING NO? >> THIS AREA IS 12.4. OVERALL PUTTING IN THE TRACK MAKING SURE YOU HAVE ENOUGH OFFSET SPACE GET YOU UP TO 37. IT COULD BE A LITTLE TIGHTENED BUT IT IS A GOOD BALLPARK FOR CONVERSATION. AND IF THERE ARE NOT ANY OF THE QUESTIONS WE WERE GOING TO A DEEP DIVE ON SOME OF THE OPTIONS AND COSTS FOR THOSE THINGS AND SOME ASSUMPTIONS AND I WILL LET DENNY TAKE THAT ON.

>> GOOD EVENING. WANT TO BACKUP ONE SECOND , POINT OF REFERENCE.

THE FEEDBACK WE GET THIS EVENING, THIS IS PURELY CONCEPT , THIS WILL CHANGE. AS YOU SEE WE ARE SHOWING TWO STORY AND IT WILL GO ONE STORY DEPENDING ON HOW IT CAN BE PHASED. DON'T GET CAUGHT UP ON THIS, THIS IS PURELY MATH TO RUN THE NUMBERS , JUST A STARTING POINT FOR CONVERSATION IS WHAT IT IS.

WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE, SOMETIMES PEOPLE GET WEIRD ABOUT IT SO THIS IS A STARTING POINT. THIS IS OUR ASSUMED SCHEDULE AND SCHEDULE HAS TO DO WITH PRICING WITH THESE CONSTRUCTION TIMES. ELECTION OF 2025 WITH APPROXIMATE TIME WHEN DESIGN BEGINS THE PROJECT WILL BID, SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION. SO THE ONE DATE I WANT YOU TO HONE IN

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ON IS APRIL 2027 WHEN THE PROJECT BIDS BECAUSE WE WILL TALK ABOUT PRICING FROM NOW UNTIL THEN. SO, WE HAVE RECENTLY PUT OUT QUITE A FEW PROJECTS AND WE HAVE HISTORICAL DATA ON PROJECTS THAT GO OUT THE PERMIT GOING OUT FINALIZE THE BID FINISHING UP PRICING ON THAT AND WE HAVE SIMILAR PROJECTS FINISHING CONSTRUCTION. SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF GOOD RECENT DATA TO PICK UP ON. SO HERE'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING. AS THESE PROJECTS, THEY WERE BID JULY 1 OF 2025. THIS WOULD BE THE BALLPARK COST PER SQUARE FOOT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THESE ARE. THESE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT STRUCTURAL SYSTEMS AND THE NATURE OF THESE FACILITIES ARE VERY DENSE. HARDENING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. A LOT OF EQUIPMENT GOES INTO THESE REDUNDANCIES SO IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL BUILDING TYPE. SO, WE ARE LOOKING TO BID IF THINGS GO AS PLANNED TO BID IN APRIL 2027.

THESE ARE ASSUMED ESCALATIONS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN , THE WAY 2025 IS MOVING FORWARD IT'S GOING TO BE AND AGAIN THESE ARE APPROXIMATE BEST CRYSTAL BALL IS THE BEST IT CAN BE. 7.5% 2025 AND WE ARE ASSUMING 2026 AND 2027 TO BE ESCALATION OF 6% COULD BE LESS OR MORE BUT THAT'S WHAT THE DATA TELLS US SO THAT GIVES YOU NOW UNTIL THEN ADDITIONAL ESCALATION 11.25%. I PUT IT OUT THERE BECAUSE ESCALATION OF CONSTRUCTION IS A REAL NUMBER SO TIME IS MONEY. SO WHAT THESE LOOK LIKE APPROXIMATELY APRIL 2027 BID WITH THE SUPPORT COST GETTING INTO THE $90 RANGE AND THAT'S TYPICAL. WE ALREADY HAVE THEM THERE DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT TYPE AND CHALLENGES AND THE SITE THIS IS WHAT THEY WILL BE COSTING. ALL OF THESE HAVE RECENT PRICING SO HISTORICAL DATA WE HAVE AND ALSO TIMING HAS BEEN GOOD ON WHAT THESE ARE. PROJECT OPTIONS AND BUDGETS . ON THIS ONE TALKING WITH CITY GIVE US SOMETHING IN THE $50 MILLION RANGE SO THE ASSIGNMENT WAS A 20 YEAR OUTLOOK FOR EVERYTHING.

SCALE BACK 10 YEARS THE MAIN BUILDING TENURE PROJECTION AND IT IS A TENURE REQUIREMENT FOR POLICE, WE WOULD SHELL LOOKING AT INCORPORATING DISPATCH, WE WOULD SHELL THAT OUT FOR FUTURE BUILDOUT, ASSET SUPPORT BUILDINGS ARE DIFFERENT STRUCTURES ALLOWS US TO USE LESSER SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT IS A TENURE PROJECTION , 53,492 SQUARE FEET. SO WHAT IT IS REDUCED SCOPE 10 TO 20, ASSET BUILDING REDUCED SCOPE ASSET BUILT OUT. ONE REQUEST WAS FOR THE FUTURE EMERGENCY OPERATION SYSTEM TO HAVE A SHELTER. AND ALSO TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A HIT BY TORNADO AND REMAIN OPERATIONAL. THIS OPTION DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT . SO, TO SEE HOW IT AFFECTS THE COST. FUTURE PHASES. WANTING TO TAKE NOTE THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE COURT , OF COURSE TRAINING COMPONENTS WOULD BE FUTURE PHASE BUT FUTURE PHASE WOULD BE REMAINING POLICE 10 TO 20 YEAR OUTLOOK , DISPATCH AND AS MENTIONED EMERGENCY OPERATION AND EOC FUNCTION FUTURE BASE. SO THAT IS OPTION ONE AND THIS GIVES YOU OVERALL COST OF WHAT THAT WOULD BE. SO FROM YOUR CONSTRUCTION COST TO THE FFE AND ASSUMPTIONS ARE MADE ON THIS SO AS WE GET TO A MORE FINALIZED

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PRODUCT WE WILL WALK THROUGH THESE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT EACH LINE ITEM IS BUT THIS IS ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT HERE.

OPTION TWO IS THE SAME AS OPTION ONE BUT FINISHES OUT THE DISPATCH AREA. THAT IS ONE THING ABOUT DISPATCH AREAS. A LOT OF I.T. AND FURNITURE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SQUARE FOOTAGE WILL STAY THE SAME, BUT THE COST WILL GO UP 1.5 AROUND THERE SO IT'S THE SAME AS OPTION TWO AS FAR AS WHAT IS IN AND WHAT IS OUT AS THE PRICE GOES UP SO IN THE DISPATCH AREA. DISPATCH AREAS ARE HARDENED IN THIS CASE TO RECALL MIAMI-DADE LEVEL ON YOUR PERIMETER IT IS JUST TO BUY TIME AND IN THIS CASE .

OPTION THREE IS THE 20 YEAR OUTLOOK FOR POLICE, SHELTER AND DISPATCH AN EMERGENCY OPERATION SYSTEMS, ASSET BUILDINGS AND THE COURT WHICH GETS US 82,307 SQUARE FEET. SO THE MAIN BUILDING IN THIS CASE THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER IT IS NOT TO TAKE A HIT AND BE SURVIVABLE IT IS MEANT TO BUY TIME. IT WILL BE HARD TO BUY TIME AND EVACUATE AND WE POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE WE DO GET THE REQUEST FOR A FACILITY OR A PORTION OF FACILITY TO TAKE A HIT AND TO REMAIN OPERATIONAL NOT JUST THE BUILDING ITSELF IT IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE, IT IS YOUR UTILITIES YOUR BACKUP GENERATOR, TRANSFORMERS AND ALL OF THOSE PROTECTED IN SOME FORM OR FASHION AND IT IS SPECIAL CONSTRUCTION. IN THIS CASE IT'S NOT WHAT IT IS , JUST DIVIDE TIME, TRANSFER COMMUNICATION TO POTENTIAL NEIGHBORING CITY AND THEN EVERYBODY GOES HOME. NO SHELTER AND FUTURE PHASE AGAIN IS TRAINING ALL THE TRAINING FUNCTIONS. YOUR DRIVING COURSE AND IN THIS CASE THAT DRIVING COURSE COULD TAKE A NUMBER OF SHAPES. SHOWING TYPICAL 75 MILES PER HOUR AND SOME OF THE FLEXIBILITY. INDOOR FIRING RANGE AND TACTICAL RANGE ACTUALLY IN TRAINING COMPONENTS. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT CONSTRUCTION -WISE AND THAT IS YOUR 20 YEAR OUTLOOK. ANY

QUESTION SO FAR? >> WHAT IS THE CITY BUDGET LINE?

>> CITY BUDGETS WOULD BE FOR EXAMPLE WE WOULD INCLUDE , WE ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS. IT WOULD INCLUDE, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR CONSTRUCTION DELIVERY METHOD , THE CITY , THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD SEE THAT TYPICALLY BE PICKED UP AT. WE HAVE REQUEST FOR DO YOU HAVE OFF-SITE UTILITIES THAT WE CAN GET TO? THROUGH THE POWER COMPANY ARE THEY GOING TO CHARGE US TO SET THE TRANSFORMER AND TYPICALLY IT DOES CARRY SOME COST. IT IS MOVING COST, IT IS COMMUNICATION TOWER, IT IS, WE HAVE A LOT OF REQUESTS ON THIS. AND ON CONTINGENCY BECAUSE OF THE FFE , THAT GETS CARRIED IN A SEPARATE NUMBER ON THE FFE.

LET'S SAY FURNITURE IS MORE OR LESS WE WOULD CARRY CONTINGENCY TO COVER COST YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE. AGAIN THIS IS 10,000 LEVEL WITH HISTORICAL DATA AND AS WE PROGRESS WE GET MORE AND MORE INTO THE DETAILS ON WHAT THE PROJECT IS. OPTION FOUR IS EVERYTHING. IT IS POLICE, TRAINING, COURT . AND IT INCLUDES THE OPTIONS YOU SAW, ONE-STORY SHELTER THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD INCLUDE A HARDENED SHELTER AREA TO TAKE A HIT AND BE OPERATIONAL FOR DISPATCH IN A OPERATIONAL SYSTEM. 136,183 SQUARE FEET WITH THOSE TWO SLIDES COMBINED. AND

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THEN THERE IS YOUR COST AND OF COURSE WHEN YOU HAVE A TRAINING FACILITY HAVING DONE SEVERAL OF THESE ONE OF THE THINGS IS YOUR SITE COST , YOUR COVERING A LOT OF AREA AT YOUR SITE AND DEVELOPMENT COST UPSIDE DOWN. IT IS MORE PERCENTAGE TO THE CONSTRUCTION COST THEN YOU TYPICALLY SEE IN A NORMAL BUILDING. SO WE ARE SERVING THIS HUTTO TYPE CONSTRUCTION. FILLING WITH THE SOILS YOU HAVE, THE CONSTRUCTION TYPE IT WOULD NEED TO BE WAS SOIL AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE SO WE ARE TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. THIS IS JUST A RECAP OF WHAT ALL IS IN WHAT AND WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AND NOT GETTING.

WHAT IS CONSIDERED NOW AND WHAT IS CONSIDERED FUTURE PHASES. WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT A NUMBER OF THINGS TO PROVIDE YOU THE INFORMATION YOU CAN PROVIDE DIRECTION, MAKE DECISIONS AND GIVING YOU THE INFORMATION YOU NEED. SO, WE ARE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK AND, SO WE CAN GET MORE DETAILED , JOSÉ PHASING IS A BIG THING. IF WE GO INTO PHASING THAT WOULD AFFECT YOUR COST AND SO WE WOULD LOOK AT HOW WE WOULD BREAK IT OUT MORE AND LIKE I SAID WE WOULD TRASH AND STARTED NEW. SO THAT TYPE OF DIRECTION

IS WHAT WE NEED MOVING FORWARD. >> THANK YOU, SIR. CUSHIONS AND

COMMENTS? >> BETWEEN OPTION ONE AND TWO CAN YOU GO BACK TO THOSE TWO? $1.3 MILLION DIFFERENCE BASICALLY AND YOU ARE ADDING 911 INTO THE PLAN. SO, ONE THING FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE I BELIEVE WHEN THE NEW CENSUS COMES OUT IN 2030 WE WILL BE AT THE THRESHOLD WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT TAKING OVER SO IF WE DON'T INCLUDE THIS AND THIS GETS CONSTRUCTED IN 2028 WE WILL IMMEDIATELY HAVE TO START CONSTRUCTION ANYWAY TO MEET THE DEADLINE. SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONE THING I WOULD HIGHLIGHT THERE. THE OTHER, I KNOW IN ALL OF THESE YOU SAID TBD FOR LAND AND THAT'S ONE REASON WE HAVE LAND IN THE CITY. ONE THING I WANT TO SEE IS THE COST FOR THE TRACK IS A LOT OF ACREAGE. I ASKED ABOUT THE ORIGINAL YOUR 12 ACRES VERSUS 37 SO THAT'S 20 ACRES DIFFERENT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF LAND HOW MANY YEARS COULD WE GO RENT AND TRAIN AT ANOTHER FACILITY CLOSE BY DRIVING VEHICLES ON SOMETHING SIMILAR BEFORE WOULD'VE BEEN MORE ECONOMICAL TO BUY THE LAND AND BUILD THE THING BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS YOU WOULD NOT HIT THE COST AND YOU WOULD MAKE MORE DEVELOPING COMMERCIAL OR SOMETHING ELSE OR SOME OTHER CITY BUILDING OR PARK OR SOMETHING. SO THAT WOULD BE THE ALTERNATIVE ON THAT PORTION COMING BACK FOR THE COUNCIL TO

DISCUSS. >> WE WILL WORK WITH POLICE WE HAVE THE COST OF THE EVOC. ABOUT TO FINISH UP PHASE 2. THE COST ON THAT IS NEW SO WE WILL WORK WITH POLICE ON FILLING IN THE NUMBER HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO FILL THE GAP.

>> SO TO YOUR QUESTION COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. WHEN IT COMES TO THE TRACKS THERE ARE AGENCIES THAT HAVE THEIR OWN IN THE TYPICALLY DON'T ALLOW OTHER AGENCIES TO USE THOSE. HAVE THE DPS TRAINING FACILITY IN FLORENCE AND WE DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE, ROUND ROCK IS THE BUILDING EXPANDING. WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH SPACE FOR HIGH-SPEED OR LOW-SPEED SO WE DO WHAT WE CAN. THE CLOSEST ONE WE HAVE ACCESS TO AND CAN PAY FOR IS IN COLLEGE STATION. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THERE IS A LOT OF TRAINING THAT GOES AND DECISION-MAKING THAT GOES INTO HOW YOU WANT TO PURSUE AND DRIVE TO RESPOND TO CALLS SWIFT TO TRAIN FOR THOSE THINGS THAT WE DO IT AT THE BEST PLACE WE CAN THE PARK WHICH IS NOT REALLY CONDUCIVE TO OUR NEEDS FOR THAT TYPE OF TRAINING CAPACITY.

>> THESE OPTIONS , THESE ARE THE ONLY COMEDIES ARE YOUR ONLY OPTIONS, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE YOU POTENTIALLY LOOKED AT, YOU

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WOULD RECOMMEND THIS IS IT? >> OUT OF THESE FOUR? WELL YOU KNOW YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO GET YOUR BIGGEST THING BUILDING NOW VERSUS LATER BUT WE GET IT, YOU GUYS ARE FAST GROWING POPULATION SO THAT IS WHY, AMY THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON TO DO A PHASE PROJECT.

WHEN I GET ASKED THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION BECAUSE I AM ASKING TO SPEND MORE MONEY BUT THE REALITY IS THAT IT WILL COST LESS NOW.

20 YEARS WILL BE HERE PRETTY QUICK.

>> THESE ARE THE BEST FOUR OPTIONS FOR WHAT THE CITY NEEDS RIGHT NOW AND LOOKING TO COUNCILMEMBER CLARK SUPPORT THE CONSENSUS COMES OUT THIS IS EQUATING FOR THAT?

>> WE FEEL THESE ARE THE BEST FUNDAMENTALLY SOUND OPTIONS BASED ON 10 YEAR, 10 YEARS, 20 AND 20 YEAR. SO WE ABOUT 15 OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE BUT AGAIN WITHIN 20 WILL BE YOUR FAST, 10 EVEN FASTER BY THE TIME YOU DESIGN AND BUILD , YOU'RE THERE.

>> YOU CAN TAKE ANY OF THE PIECES, WE HAVE BUILT THAT PLUG-AND-PLAY COMPONENT SO FOR INSTANCE THERE COULD BE ANOTHER COST IN BETWEEN TWO AND THREE THAT WOULD ADD IN THE COURT AND THEN THAT AS A NUMBER WOULD ADD ABOUT 7.9 MILLION TO THE PROJECT. AND YOU CAN STRIP OUT EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND THE CHILDREN DISPATCH , NOT TO AS A MEMBER CAUCUS VALID POINT IS IT IS COMING AND YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS IT BUT IT IS A MENU OF OPTIONS. AND WE APPRECIATE YOU ASK WHAT IS THE BEST FIT FOR HUTTO. WE WANT TO WORK TO MAKE SURE IT IS THE RIGHT FIT WITH STAFF AND WITH YOU SO, THERE'S ENOUGH HERE FOR US TO HAVE A GOOD DIALOGUE ABOUT WHAT FEELS RIGHT.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE BASED OFF THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THESE JUST RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU TO A CITY OF OUR SIZE OR THIS IS SPECIFIC TO THE NEEDS OF HUTTO NOT JUST NOW, BUT AS COUNCILMEMBER CLARK SAID THE CONSENSUS COMES OUT WE HAVE MORE RESIDENTS WOULD THAT BE SUFFICIENT?

>> I THINK IT IS BOTH. HOW WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE PAST AND APPLIED TO HUTTO. EACH CITY HAS A CLEAN CUT OFF WHERE IT MAKES SENSE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. FOR EXAMPLE THE COURT WE TALKED TO THE JUDGE THE COURT COULD BE A SEPARATE STANDALONE AND IN THE FUTURE YOU GET ECONOMY OF SCALE PUTTING IT IN WITH THE FACILITY.

SO THERE'S ADVANTAGES TO EACH ONE. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM

COUNCIL. >> NO QUESTIONS, BUT FOR ME I LIKE THE PHASE APPROACH, FOR THE NUMBERS THERE ARE THOSE THE NUMBERS TODAY SO THAT IN FOUR YEARS THAT WILL BE 10% MORE? IS THAT ACCURATE OR ARE THESE NUMBERS PRETTY ACCURATE?

>> I THINK THOSE ARE APRIL 2027 BIDS.

>> OKAY YEAH. THAT IS AVERAGE ABOUT 1000 SQUARE-FOOT SO THAT KIND OF MAKES SENSE. FOR STARTING OUT I THINK THAT CAMINO MAYBE 40 OR 45,000 SQUARE FEET , KIND OF A LOWER THRESHOLD FOR SQUARE FOOTAGE AND I THINK WE DO NEED TO GET ON TRACK FOR THE 20 YEAR PLAN WE NEED TO PUT THAT IN THE CA PLEA PLAN TO EVENTUALLY BUILD OUT OVER TIME. MAYBE START OFF UNDER THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE .

>> COME BACK WITH OPTIONS ON POTENTIAL OPTIONS ON WHAT YOU ARE GETTING AND NOT GETTING WITH 40, 45,000. THAT HELPS US.

>> AFTER THE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD OR GOING INTO THAT 10 YEAR PHASE, THEN IT COULD BE SMALL INCREMENTAL THEN MAYBE IT WON'T.

IT WILL BE A BIG CHUNK UPFRONT AND THEN AFTER THAT FROM THE 10

YEAR. >> SOME DEPARTMENTS WILL GROW MORE SO THAN OTHERS AS PART OF THE CONVERSATION FOR WHAT THAT

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IS WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AT THE TIME. YOU HAVE THIS DEPARTMENT NEED ITS OWN SEPARATE SPACE TO GO TO WORK WITHIN THE SITE. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE LOOKING.

>> I'M LOOKING TO GET THIS BECAUSE NOW WITH THE COUNCIL I THINK FIVE YEARS IS OUR VISION AND BEYOND THAT IS HARD TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT WE GET THIS OFF THE GROUND AND MOVING WITHIN THE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD OF TIME.

>> WHAT IS THE CURRENT SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE CURRENT BUILDING?

>> I ASKED CITY MANAGER THIS AND HE SAID IT IS JUST UNDER 10,000 SQUARE FEET THE BOXES IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER THAT.

>> I WAS HOPING, THE ANNEX BUILDING IN THE BACK WITH THE

ANTICS BUILDING IN BOXES. >> THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO SEE AN

EXPLOSION LIKE THIS. >> 10,000 SQUARE FEET TO EVEN 40 IS QUADRUPLING SPACE THEY HAVE GOT AND IT TOOK A TOUR THE OTHER DAY AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF OFFICERS WHO DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY ARE WORKSPACE WILL BE FLOODED OR NOT AFTER RAIN. IT IS NOT IN GOOD SHAPE. WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON SOMETHING SOON, IN MY OPINION BECAUSE THERE IS ONE OFFICER , SHE SAID SHE CAME IN AFTER RAIN AND HER ENTIRE DESK WAS IN WATER AND IT WAS A MESS AND THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THE BUILDING.

>> THE REALITY IS YOU ARE 10 OR 20 YEARS BEHIND. 'S YOU ARE LOOKING AT A FORTY-YEAR ISSUE. A LOT OF TIMES TAKE WITH A HAVE TODAY AND GET TO TODAY'S STANDARDS. THAT IS A LOT OF YOUR

SQUARE FOOTAGE RIGHT THERE. >> OKAY.

>> THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT SIZE IS, I DON'T THINK IT'S 50 OR 40. WE ARE AT 10 TODAY AND YOUR DOUBLE OR TRIPLE WE HAVE 1 BILLION AND YOUR DOUBLE OR TRIPLE WE HAVE $1 BILLION IN EXPENSES IN THE CITY AND WE CAN HAVE A ROBUST POLICE STATION FOR $150 MILLION AND WE WILL NOT HAVE A PARKS DEPARTMENT OPERATING OUT OF TRAILERS, OR PUBLIC WORKS STACKING EQUIPMENT ON TOP OF EQUIPMENT. FOR ME WE NEED TO BE LOOKING 20 TO 25 TO 30 FOR ME WE NEED TO BE LOOKING 20 TO 25 TO 30,000 RANGE. HOW DO YOU SCALE THAT WAY BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO MANY THINGS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT CHEAPER NO ARGUMENT BUT I DISMISS THAT BECAUSE WHEN I WAS 21 AND GOT MARRIED I DID NOT BUY A FIVE BEDROOM HOUSE BECAUSE I PLAN TO HAVE THREE KIDS. I BOUGHT A HOUSE AND MOVED UP AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN EASIER TO MOVE ONE TIME I COULD NOT AFFORD IT AND HUTTO IS GROWING LIKE A NEW FAMILY. MY OPINION IS WE CANNOT AFFORD $60 MILLION ON A PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING BECAUSE TO DO 60 MILLION THE IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE ON PEOPLE ON TOP OF PUBLIC WORKS WITH WATER ISSUES WE HAVE IN MY OPINION AND MANY WILL DISAGREE WE OVERBUILT WASTEWATER SYSTEM . IT'S CHEAPER NOW DO IT NOW IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE LETTER AND BILLS HAVE GONE UP 100 $100-$150 A MONTH ON WATER TO AFFORD THAT. WE HAVE MORE INCREASES COMING ON THE SAME THING. THAT'S THAT FOR THAT'S.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE LAW THAT SAYS IN 2030 TO TAKE OVER WHATEVER THIS IS ABOUT DOING OUR OWN DISPATCH. IS THAT A LAW OR RECOMMENDATION? I'VE NOT HEARD THAT DEADLINE BEFORE.

>> THAT I CAN'T ANSWER.

>> YOU GUYS ARE THE CONSULTANTS IS IT A LAW THAT WHEN YOU HIT A CERTAIN POPULATION YOU HAVE TO HAVE OR SOMETHING PEOPLE LIKE TO

HAVE? >> THEIR TRIGGER POINT.

>> SURE THAT WITH US. NOT THAT I'M AGAINST I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE EVERY CITY HAVING DISPATCH. WHEN WE LOOKED SIX YEARS AGO I THINK WE HAD HAVE A DOZEN EMPLOYEES JUST TO HAVE.

>> POINT OF ORDER. ARE YOU A PROFESSIONAL? DOES HE WORK FOR YOU GUYS? I DON'T NEED YOU ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS. YOU ARE NOT HERE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SIX YEARS AGO. MY RECOLLECTION IS STAFFING IT NEEDS TO STAND UP A DISPATCH PLACE IS EXTRAORDINARY AND I WANT TO SAY IT WAS Q4 WAS AT

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HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR FIVE YEARS AGO WAS SALARY EXPENSES JUST FOR THE PERSONNEL NEEDED BECAUSE BETWEEN OPEN VACANCIES PEOPLE BURNOUT VACATION AND SICK IT'S A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE SO FOR ME I WANT TO MAKE SURE SINCE WE DON'T KNOW THE LAW I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE TRIGGER IS AND WHEN WE WILL HIT IT AND HOW WE WORK WITH ROUND ROCK WERE WILLIAMSON COUNTY. I DON'T HAVE MUCH APPETITE FOR REGIONAL TRAINING CENTER. I DON'T MIND HAVING A TRAINING CENTER FOR OUR PEOPLE BUT WHEN I HEAR REGIONAL AND REMINDS ME OF AN ORGANIZATION THAT WAS LIKE IF WE BUILD THIS PEOPLE WILL COME AND WE WILL MAKE MONEY BUT IF WE SPEND 10, 15 20 MILLION ON A REGIONAL TRAINING CENTER AND STATES USED ONCE A MONTH WHETHER INCOME COVER THE DEBT SERVICE? MY GUESS IS IT WON'T.

>> WHETHER YOU BRING OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOT A TRAINING CENTER

NEVER PAYS FOR ITSELF. >> THAT'S WHY AM OKAY RETURNING FOR OUR PEOPLE. WE SAW ONE IN KYLE AND I SAID GOD BLESS THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR THAT BUT IT IS THREE TIMES THE SIZE OF THE AUDITORIUM AND I THINK WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT HUTTO AND NOT HOW DO WE GET OTHER PEOPLE TO COME TRAIN BECAUSE TO DO THAT IF A WAY TAKE AWAY FROM PUBLIC WORKS AND WATER AND SOMETHING ELSE SO MAYBE 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WHEN WE ARE DONE GROWING WE CAN SAY WOULDN'T IT BE COOL TO HOST SOMETHING? WITH THAT TO FIGURE OUT MORE ABOUT THE TRACK. 12 ACRE TRACK $10 MILLION OR EIGHT , DON'T WANT YOU DRIVING OUT BECAUSE AT SOME POINT PARKS WILL SAY TO REPLACE THE ASPHALT. BUT AGAIN, TO JUGGLE ALL THESE THINGS, $1 BILLION SO THE TRACK, FIXED INTERSECTION AND ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC AND DEATH OR THE TRACK AND I ALSO DON'T WANT OFFICERS NOT TRAINED IN THE OPTIMUM WAY SO THERE'S NO ORIGINAL TRACK MAYBE THAT SOMETHING I COULD SUPPORT AND SO EVERY CITY SPENDING 10 MILLION TO BUY A TRACK, ONE GROUP 1 MAYBE THERE'S A REGIONAL DEAL. LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE. I DON'T WANT OUR PEOPLE PUTTING LIVES IN DANGER AND GOING THROUGH AND MOVING STUFF OFF AND HAVING TO REDO BECAUSE WATER CAME IN. I DON'T WANT THAT BUT I HAVE SEEN A VERY ROBUST POLICE STATION AND THAT'S GREAT BUT WE CANNOT AFFORD THAT HERE THAT I KNOW WAS $60 MILLION , 2 TO 3 TIMES INCOME LIKE SPENDING THREE TIMES YOUR ANNUAL SALARY ON AN ADDITION TO YOUR HOUSE. WE HAVE FOUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITH NUMBERS LIKE THIS AND FOR ME WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THE POLICE WHAT THEY NEED WITH PHASING , THE LAST THING I WILL SAY , THIS CHEAPER NOW THING WHERE 45,000 PEOPLE PAYING THIS. IF IN 10 YEARS WE HAVE TO DOUBLE THE SPACE WE MAY HAVE 80,000 PAIN. SO WHILE MORE EXPENSIVE, THE ROAD WE FORGO TODAY TO DO THIS IS MORE EXPENSIVE, PUBLIC WORKS WE FORGO IS MORE EXPENSIVE. IF I WOULD'VE BOUGHT A HOUSE I NEEDED FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR WHEN I WAS 21 BUYING MY FIRST HOUSE MY FIRST HOUSE WAS $101,000. I CAN'T LOOK BACK AND GO I SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT 4500 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE SAVED 20 TODAY. WE WILL HAVE HIGHER INCOME AND ALL OF THAT. I AM IN THE MINORITY ON THIS I'M SURE AND THAT'S FINE.

WHEN WE BRING IT TO THE VOTERS AND TELL THEM THIS IS A MASSIVE INCREASE 88 MILLION OR WHATEVER WE PICK WE ALSO HAVE TO BRING , THEY WANT A POOL, COMMUNITY CENTER, PUBLIC WORKS CENTER, PARKS BUILDING AT SOME POINT MORE SPACE IN CITY HALL AND WE

DID NOT TALK ROADS YET. >> THIS GIVES US INFORMATION WE

NEED. >> US FOR ONE DOLLAR I'M CUTTING DOWN TO A QUARTER AND HE ASKED FOR A NICKEL CACHE ORDER I

THINK A NICKEL IS ALL YOU NEED. >> TO CLARIFY IT'S NOT THE EMS REQUIREMENT IS THRESHOLD. WHAT IT IS, WE HAVE TO TAKE OVER LIGHTS OF THE CITY FOR THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS BECAUSE OF TEXT ON 50,000 POPULATION AND WHEN YOU PAY FOR THAT AND PEOPLE TO RUN THAT AND WE HAVE TO PAY , IT'S GOING UP TO 1.4 MILLION TO

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THE COUNTY FOR DISPATCH. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF THAT NOW HAVING TO PUT AN INFRASTRUCTURE TO CONTROL THE LIGHTS AND THAT'S WHY PRETTY MUCH YOU WOULD BE FOOLISH NOT TO DO DISPATCH AT THAT POINT BECAUSE YOU ALREADY PAY FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND CONTROL IN YOUR HAVE TO PAY THIS AMOUNT BASED ON POPULATION WHICH OURS IS WILLIAMSON COUNTY. WHEN YOU DO THE NUMBERS IT BECOMES OBVIOUS THE CITY NEEDS TO TAKE OVER.

IT'S NOT A RULE YOU JUST WOULD BE FOOLISH NOT TO BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO OTHER THINGS THAT TRIGGER IT NATURALLY. THERE IS A LAW FOR THE ROADS AND WHEN YOU PUT IN THAT, THAT MAKES YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY YOU PUT IN A COMMUNICATION CENTER TO CONTROL THE ROADS YOU MIGHT AS WELL STAFF A COUPLE EXTRA PEOPLE TO DO EMS BECAUSE THE MONEY WILL SPEND.

>> IF YOU ENTERTAIN US FOR A MINUTE.

>> COUNTY FROM THE STATE. TXDOT TO THE REGIONAL CENTER THERE MANAGING? HOW DO THEY HANDLE THAT? WHAT DOES THAT UNTIL TO KNOW THAT? LOCALLY YOU HAVE TO TAKE OVER RUNNING.

>> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? RUNNING? >> YOU HAVE JUST THE POLICE

CHIEF. >> I'M ASKING YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE HERE CORRECT ME I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT'S FOOLISH AND YOU ARE TALKING AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO RUN THE SIGNALS. YOU DON'T KNOW THE OPERATING COST OF DOING THAT OR IF WE NEED ANOTHER BUILDING.

WHAT I WANT IS HERE TO SAY IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT SAY I WANT OPTION FOUR. WE GIVE FEEDBACK, GO BACK AND CRUNCH AND DIAL IT IN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CORRECT ME WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> WE HAD EMERGENCY SERVICES DIRECTOR, TALK AND GIVE DATA, I LISTEN WHEN THE POLICE CHIEF GAVE US DATA. JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ADDING BACK THE OTHER CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE HAD RELATED TO EMERGENCY DISPATCH OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT'S NOT MY FAULT I'M JUST REMINDING YOU OF CONVERSATIONS WE HAD GOING BACK. YOU SAY WHAT'S THE LAW? THE THRESHOLD IS TO TAKE OVER ROAD WHICH THEN TRIGGERS WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO BRING THE OTHER BECAUSE IT CHANGES THE AMOUNT WE PAY TO THE COUNTY BASED ON POPULATION. YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT. YOU ALL WILL VOTE BUT FOR 1.5 MILLION.

>> TO BE PAPER POPULATION OR ? >> CURRENTLY THE COUNTY HAS US PAYING PER EVENT AND IF WE WERE TO SEE DEBRIS IN THE ROADWAY AND WE MAKE A CALL WE ARE OUT TAKING CARE OF THAT THE COUNTY CHARGES US $25 PER CALL SO THAT'S HOW WE ARE CHARGED.

>> I LOVE YOU CHIEF NOT TRYING TO CUT YOUR.

>> WANTED TO BRING CLARITY TO THE TRAINING THE REGIONAL TRAINING. IS A TRAINING PROVIDER WE'RE NOT CHARTING OTHERS TO COME, THE BENEFIT OF THAT BEING REGIONAL TRAINING PROVIDER IS VARIABLE TO HAVE EXPERTS IN AREAS WHERE WE ARE NEEDING THE TRAINING AND THEY ARE ABLE TO COME HERE TO PROVIDE TRAINING LIKE LAST WEEK WE HAD GEORGETOWN, ROUND ROCK, OTHER AGENCIES, FOR TRAINING WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN BECAUSE WE'RE HOSTING IT HERE WE HAVE OFFICES WITH FREE SEATS TO GO ATTEND A TRAINING SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM TO GO TO DALLAS AND SPEND A WEEK FOR MENTAL HEALTH OFFICER TRAINING WITH PER DIEM AND TRAVEL SO BEING A REGIONAL TRAINING PROVIDER WE ARE ONE OF 200 OF ALL THE AGENCIES AND THE STATE AND THAT'S THE BENEFIT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE TRAINING LOCALLY AND GETTING TRAINING WE WOULD OTHERWISE PAY FOR NOW BECAUSE WE'RE HOSTING IT WE GET IT FOR FREE.

>> WE CAN EXTRAPOLATE WHAT WE ARE SPENDING TODAY ON TRAINING IF IT IS $1 MILLION WITH A DEBT SERVICE TO BUILD THE TRAINING FACILITY CHEAPER BUT IF WE SPEND 2 MILLION ON THIS AND SAVING 200,000 FOR ME IT'S NOT BUT IF IT IS CLOSER NOT SAYING IT'S GOT TO BE THIS AND THAT BENEFIT AS YOU EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE $60 MILLION PRICE TAG PEOPLE WILL SPILL THEIR COFFEE. I'M NOT DOUBTING YOU TO DO DUE DILIGENCE ON IT.

>> I THINK ME SPEAKING IT WOULD BE HYPOCRITICAL FOR US TO STAND UP FOR PROCLAMATIONS IN SUPPORT OF POLICE , BUT THEN NOT GIVE THEM EVERYTHING THEY NEED OR THAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR. I FEEL LIKE IT'S A LITTLE NURSING FOR SOME OF US TO SIT UP HERE AND SAY POLICE OFFICERS DEAL WITH IT WHENEVER THESE ARE THE PEOPLE

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THAT WE ARE EXPECTING TO TAKE CARE OF OUR CITIZENS COME OR HIGH WATER. WITH WHAT YOU GUYS PRESENTED TONIGHT, WHEN YOU BRING THIS BACK WHENEVER THE ITEM IS READY TO BE VOTED ON I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE YOUR FULL RECOMMENDATION OF WHAT YOU ARE ASSESSING CITIZENS OF HUTTO NEED RIGHT NOW AND THE 10 OR 20 YOUR OUTLOOK THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE PROPER OVERSIGHT, NOT JUST CURRENTLY BUT ALSO MOVING FORWARD PER HUTTO POLICE AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW. WE ARE NOT GOING TO 80,000 PEOPLE IF YOU DON'T TREAT POLICE RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE FROM YOU WHENEVER YOU BRING

THE ITEM BACK. >> WE WILL COME BACK WITH

SOMETHING. >> WHAT SQUARE FEET ARE GOING TO

TARGET FOR ALTERNATES? >> 30,000 SQUARE FEET TO START AND HOW THAT WOULD EXPAND. THAT'S GREAT FEEDBACK , THAT TELLS US WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW AND HOW WE NEED TO ATTACK THIS.'S WE WILL START THERE AND IF WE SEE THERE ARE CORE THINGS MAYBE A 30,000 THAT NEED TO BE THERE WE MIGHT SAY 35 OR WHATEVER. WE DON'T KNOW, IT GOES WHERE IT GOES SO WE WOULD COME BACK TO GET YOUR INPUT AND IT ALLOWS US WITH THE SIZE OF THIS WE COULD BETTER NAIL DOWN THE COST PER SQUARE FOOT AS ECONOMY OF SCALE WILL DIFFER. SO WE WILL GO TO WORK ON IT.

>> I WAS GOING TO FINISH SAYING FOR ME ANYTHING LESS THAN 30,000 I AM UNCOMFORTABLE THINKING ABOUT BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE GOING 10 TO 20,000 DOUBLING THE SIZE, YOUR CRAMMED LIKE SARDINES AS IT IS NOW WITH THREE OFFICERS IN A BOX OUTSIDE IN THE TEXAS HEAT. THEIR 10,000 FEET NOW IS WOEFULLY INSUFFICIENT FOR THE OFFICERS WE HAVE TODAY. SO I WANT THE CITIZENS TO THINK ABOUT THAT. GOING 10 TO 20 SOUNDS GREAT, 10 TO 20 BASICALLY WE WOULD NEED TO DO FACE TWO ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. THAT'S THE WORRY

I'VE GOT. >> THERE WOULD BE EXPANSION. ANY

OTHER QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU, SIR. WE ARE COMING

OUT THE COURT AND THE JUDGE'S. >> NO WORRIES WE ARE OFF TO THE SITE. I TELL ALL THE CITIES I PRACTICE IN, COURT AND POLICE KIND OF GO TOGETHER. IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THEM TOGETHER ALTHOUGH NOT NEXT TO EACH OTHER BUT IT HELPS BOTH FACILITIES BECAUSE YOU POLICE AND COURT TOGETHER OFFICERS WHO NEED TO COME TESTIFY, OFFICERS WHO NEED TO BE BAILIFFS, WE NEED TO BRING DEFENDANTS TO THE COURT THAT MAKES IT EASIER. AT THE SAME TIME I HAVE TO SAY POLICE IS MOST IMPORTANT HERE. WHAT I WOULD ASK THE CONSULTANT IS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FROM YOUR CONCERNS YOU WANT TO HEAR SOMETHING SPECIFIC ABOUT WHY I BELIEVE COURT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS PROCESS OR IS IT SOMETHING COUNCIL FEELS SHOULD BE OFF THE TABLE?

>> I THINK UNDERSTANDING EVEN WHAT YOU JUST SAID I DON'T THINK MY DID NOT KNOW THAT. TO BUILD THE PUBLIC WOULD KNOW THAT. I GUESS UNDERSTANDING COURT AND POLICE IS THAT, IS THERE A SAFETY ISSUE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT BETWEEN HAVING COURT, HAVING POLICE ESSENTIALLY IN THE SAME BUILDING?

>> YES AND TO KIND OF EXPAND, THAT IS OUR CONCERN WITH THE CURRENT COURT SITUATION. WHEN IT STARTED BACK IN 96 I WAS HOLDING COURT DOWN THE STREET IN WHAT IS NOW THE PUNCH UP, WE HELD COURT IN A FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR A WHILE. SO WHEN WE MOVED INTO HERE IT WAS WONDERFUL. IN FIGURE 6 YEARS TO SEE THE TICKET COUNTER GO UP AND SING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING INTO THE FACILITY, IT HAS RAISED SOME ISSUES, NUMBER ONE IS SECURITY BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A SECURE FACILITY. THE POLICE DOES AN OUTSTANDING JOB PROVIDING SECURITY BUT WE HAVE DEFENDANTS

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CHARGED WITH NOT ONLY MOVING VIOLATIONS, BUT ALSO ASSAULT CHARGES, PUBLIC INTOXICATION AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. THE COME TO THE FACILITY, THEY COME TO THE WINDOWS WHEN WE HAVE COURT IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. REALLY HAVE ONE DOOR THAT KEEPS THEM FROM OUR OFFICE SITUATION. SO WE DID HAVE THE OFFICE OF COURT ADMINISTRATION COME DUE SECURITY EVALUATION AND THE BASICALLY SAID YOU'RE NOT IN A GOOD PLACE. IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO GET IN HERE AND GET TO COURT PERSONNEL OR TO THE JUDGE IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO DO THAT. THE SECOND ISSUE IS SAFETY FOR THE PUBLIC. THIS HAS ARISEN IN THE PAST FEW YEARS. IT WAS NOT A BIG DEAL DURING THE PANDEMIC BUT NOW THAT WE OPENED UP AND WE HAVE MORE TICKETS, THE LIBRARY IS RIGHT THERE. WHEN WE HAVE DEFENDANTS COMING INTO COURT TO DO WITH TICKETS, THEIR STANDING IN FRONT OF THE ENTRANCE TO THE LIBRARY. AGAIN MOST OF THE TIME IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEFENDANTS WE ARE NOT WORRIED ABOUT BUT THERE HAVE BEEN QUITE A FEW TIMES WHERE WE HAVE DEFENDANTS WHO HAVE BEEN UNPLEASANT OR DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH OR OUTRIGHT CONCERNING TO COURT STAFF AND THEIR STANDING IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY. ALREADY IN THE BUILDING AND WE DO NOT BAILIFFS ON A DAILY BASIS TO CONTROL THAT. SO IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN YOU HAVE THE LIBRARY WITH KIDS RIGHT THERE. HAVE ACCESS TO THE REST OF THE BUILDING SO FOR ME THAT'S A BIG SAFETY ISSUE. THE LAST THING I WANTED TO BRING UP IS COURT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM THE PD BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET US A COURT BUILDING EVEN ATTACHED TO THE PD WE ARE PRETTY FUTURE PROOF. YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO NEED MORE THAN ONE COURT IN THE CITY OF HUTTO. WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE TO GET THAT MUCH POPULATION AND IF YOU GIVE A COURT A COURTROOM AND SOME OFFICES, THAT'S ALL YOU WILL EVER NEED IN MY OPINION AS FAR OUT AS I CAN SEE BECAUSE WE CAN HANDLE MOST ANYTHING IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF DEFENDANTS WITH A SINGLE COURTROOM. THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF OTHER CITIES IN THE AREA ARE GOING TO AND THAT HAS SERVED THEM WELL. YOU HAVE THAT, NOT WITH THE PD BUT IT IS CONNECTED, USUALLY A SEPARATE ORIENTED ENTRANCE SO IT IS WITH THE PD AREA BUT NOT PART OF THE PD ITSELF SO THAT HAS WORKED REALLY WELL. THOSE ARE MY BIG THREE REASONS WHY I BELIEVE HAVING COURT AND PD AS PART OF THE SAME EXPANSION WOULD WORK VERY WELL.

>> THANK YOU JUDGE. I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC EVEN UNDERSTOOD THE TYPES OF CHARACTERS COMING IN. THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING. TO ADDRESS A BAND-AID FOR THE BIG ISSUE. IS THERE A RECOMMENDATION COUNCIL CAN MAKE TO POLICE TO MAKE SURE THERE IS BAILIFFS HERE BECAUSE SUMMERTIME, WE HAVE PEOPLE ACCESSING THE LIBRARY.

CHILDREN AND PARENTS, ELDERLY. IS THAT HE REQUESTED COUNCIL

SHOULD BE MAKING TO POLICE? >> DURING COURT WHEN WE ARE HERE IN THE COURTROOM WE HAVE TWO BAILIFFS SO THAT IS SAFE AND CONSIDER SECURE. THE CONCERN IS PEOPLE COMING IN MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY WHEN THEY COME TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR CITATION. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS FEASIBLE TO HAVE A POLICE OFFICER ON SITE THE

ENTIRE TIME. >> UNDERSTOOD, THANK YOU FOR

BRINGING THE CONCERNS. >> IF WE CUT THE POLICE THERE BUILDING COULD THE ANNEX BACK TO THE COURTROOM TEMPORARILY UNTIL A LATER PHASE TO GET OUT OF CITY HALL , YOU COULD HAVE SECURE ACCESS BECAUSE IT WAS A CURRENTLY HARD POLICE BUILDING AND MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A STOPGAP THAT COULD WORK WITHOUT SKIMPY ON POLICE SIZE AND PHASE KNOWING WE HAVE THE LAND.

>> THAT WOULD DEFINITELY ADDRESS MY PRIMARY TWO CONCERNS. THE SAFETY AND SECURITY. I HAD HEARD SOMEWHERE SOMEBODY SAID THERE WERE SOME RUMBLINGS ABOUT MOVING THE LIBRARY OUT AND THAT WOULD CHANGE THINGS AROUND A LITTLE BIT, BUT DEFINITELY IF YOU WANT A STOPGAP MEASURE MOVING THE CORE TO ANOTHER BUILDING NO LONGER IN USE AND ALLOWING US TO ESTABLISH THAT MORE SECURELY I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD SOLUTION TO THE CONCERNS WE HAVE. ALSO YOU WOULD HAVE THAT SEPARATE COURT BUILDING. THE ONLY

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DRAWBACK IS YOU ARE NOT POLICE THERE SO YOU WOULD NOT HAVE EASY ACCESS TO BAILIFFS, WITNESSES OR MAGISTRATES AND SERVICES.

>> WHICH BUILDING IS THE ANNEX BUILDING?

>> DEFINITELY A LOT. I DON'T WANT TO VOTE NO AGAINST EITHER ONE OF YOU BECAUSE SOMEBODY WILL GIVE ME A TICKET OR A FINE.

EVERYBODY REALLY HAPPY. >> WE WILL ALWAYS MAKE DO BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE AND BE GOOD STEWARDS OF TAXPAYER MONEY SO THAT'S WHAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO. YOU GUYS HAVE TO MAKE MUCH HARDER DECISIONS THAN WE DO. ALL I WANTED WAS TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE CONCERNS WERE AND WHAT ISSUES WERE AND YOU CAN SAY THIS IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT IN THIS IS WHAT WE CAN WAIT ON OR HOW WE CAN MOVE THINGS AROUND. I HELD COURT MANY YEARS IN WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE POLICE STATION AND THAT IS PROBABLY MORE SPACE THAN WE WOULD NEED COME I BASICALLY NEED ONE COURTROOM THAT CAN HANDLE 80 TO 100 PEOPLE AT ONE TIME PER WHEN WE HAVE JURY TRIALS AND I NEED ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES THAT'S IT.

>> HOW MANY DAYS A WEEK DO YOU DO COURT?

>> ONE TO EVERY OTHER TWO WEEKS. BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC AND I TALKED TO COUNCIL ABOUT THIS PREVIOUSLY. WE REALLY WENT HARD ON DOING A LOT OF VIRTUAL THINGS BECAUSE IT MADE SO MUCH SENSE BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO NOT HAVE DEFENDANTS COME HERE, WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE THE PROSECUTOR TALK WITHOUT HAVING THEM IN THE COURTROOM SO WE HAVE BEEN EFFICIENT ABOUT THAT AND LIMITED THE NUMBER OF COURT DAYS TO NOT ONLY HELP DEFENDANTS BUT WORK COMPETING WITH THE CITY IN TERMS OF ACCESS TO THE COURTROOM. A LOT OF OTHER THINGS ARE GOING ON DURING THE ELECTION, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO HOLD COURT DURING PREVIOUS ELECTION NOW DURING THE

RUNOFF. >> WE WILL SOLVE THAT.

>> THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE GONE AS MUCH RITUAL AS WE CAN AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE FOUND DEFENDANTS LIKE THAT AND IT IS MORE EFFICIENT IN TERMS OF USE OF OUR TIME AS WELL. I AM WORRIED ABOUT, NOT WORRIED BECAUSE I LOVE WHAT THE CHIEF IS DOING. BUT THE TICKET COUNT IS GOING UP, IT WILL CONTINUE TO GO UP AND THE MORE PEOPLE THAT THE PD ARREST AND GIVE TICKETS TO THE MORE PEOPLE COME TO OUR

FACILITY. >> WE COULD HAVE A BIGGER FACILITY , AND IMMEDIATE TIME USE AS A COURT SYSTEM AND AS THE PD GROSS AT SOME POINT IN THE NEXT PHASE 2 OR THREE OR WHATEVER CAN INCLUDE MOVING THE COURT SYSTEM AGAIN. APPRECIATE

EVERYTHING. >> IF YOU ALL HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT. HAPPY TO ADDRESS THOSE.

[9.2. Hutto Chamber of Commerce Update Presentation (Joe Gonzalez)]

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> NEXT ITEM 9.02 CHAMBER OF COMMERCE UPDATE REASON TATIAN.

>> THAT WAS A WHOPPER . PRETTY BIG NUMBERS.

>> WE DO NOT ASK. >> TELL US SOME GOOD BUSINESS.

>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COUNCIL, CITY STAFF. MAYOR, CONGRATULATIONS ON REELECTION AND RANDELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I MAY REPRESENTING THE HUTTO CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN REFERENCE TO FIRST-QUARTER 2025 UPDATE. AS ALWAYS I WILL START OFF WITH MEMBERSHIP. CURRENTLY WE ARE PROUD TO ANNOUNCE WE HAVE REACHED OUR THRESHOLD OF OVER 400 MEMBERS NOW AT 410 ACTIVE MEMBERS WITH 44 MEMBERS COMING IN THE FIRST QUARTER 2025. IN REFERENCE TO THE GROWTH WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE LAST QUARTER. WE HAVE RECORDED 20 RIBBON CUTTINGS SINCE THE MONTH OF JANUARY. IN REFERENCE TO OUR RECENT EVENTS , WE HAVE HAD QUITE A FEW. WE ARE EXPANDING ON SOME THINGS WE ARE DOING AT THE HUTTO CHAMBER. LAST QUARTER WE DID INTRODUCE WHAT WE REFER TO AS COFFEE WITH THE CHAIRMAN. A QUARTERLY EVENT HELD ONCE A QUARTER TO BRING MEMBERS

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AND NONMEMBERS TO DISCUSS HUTTO ISSUES TOPICS AND NETWORKING EVENTS SIMILAR TO WHAT I DO HERE. WE EXPAND AND TAKE IT TO MEMBERSHIP ONCE A QUARTER. FIRST QUARTER WE HELD FIVE AFTER HOURS NETWORKING EVENTS AS YOU KNOW WE HELD THE ANNUAL GALA WHICH BROUGHT IN ROUGHLY 400 ATTENDEES AND SOME OF YOU WERE THERE. WE HAD THE ANNUAL CRAWFISH FESTIVAL WHICH ROUGHLY BROUGHT IN 3200 PEOPLE DOWNTOWN TO HUTTO. WE ARE CONTINUING MONTHLY LUNCH ON A MONTHLY BASIS AND KEEPING IT VERY CONSISTENT ATTENDANCE. WE ARE BASICALLY HAVING BETWEEN 70 TO 80 OR 85 ATTENDEES PER LUNCHEON SO WE HAVE GOT PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH A GREAT SHOWING EACH TIME. IN REFERENCE TO THE UPCOMING EVENTS WE'RE GOING TO RESTART DEVELOPER NETWORK. HAVE SEEN MANY OF YOU THE NETWORKING EVENT IN THE CURSED FIRST QUARTER, WE WILL BRING THAT BACK ALONG WITH THE NEW REALTOR BUILDER SUMMIT WE ARE WORKING ON TODAY. ALSO WORKING ON A SMALL BUSINESS LUNCH AND LEARN SERIES WHICH WILL BE NEW TO THE CHAMBER AND CITY OF HUTTO COMMUNITY. ON JUNE 28 WE WILL BUILDING OUR FIRST REDS WHITES AND BRUISE WITH A TWIST IN PARTNERSHIP WITH HUTTO COMMUNITY FOUNDATION AND IT WILL BE HELD THE 28TH AT 111 MAIN STARTING AT 3:00.

INFORMATION SHOULD BE ON ALL SOCIAL MEDIA OUTLETS AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT OUT AND GET INFORMATION OUT TO YOU. AS YOU KNOW COMING OCTOBER 11 WILL BE THE 40TH ANNUAL OLD-TIME DAYS. THAT IS QUITE A MILESTONE FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO AND THE CHAMBER. WE ARE GOING TO EXTEND HANDS OUT TO THE CITY OF HUTTO TO SEE IF WE CAN EXPLORE SOME PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES WITH YOU GUYS ON THIS EVENT. WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF PARTNERSHIP AND ASSOCIATION WITH YOU TO MAKE THIS A GREAT EVENT.

ANOTHER THING WE HAVE DONE THIS YEAR , WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS LAST QUARTER OF LAST YEAR , SINCE JANUARY WE HAVE TAKEN PART WITH WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND TALENT MANAGEMENT TASK FORCE. THIS TASK FORCE IS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT AMONG LOCAL BUSINESSES, INDUSTRY LEADERS, EDUCATORS, CITY OFFICIALS, IN CONJUNCTION WITH WORKFORCE SOLUTIONS BASICALLY DESIGNED TO IDENTIFY THE WORKFORCE NEEDS IN THE CITY OF HUTTO. THUS FAR WE HAVE HAD FOUR TABLETOP MEETINGS WITH TWO MORE PLANNED. ONE IN THE FALL AND ONE NEXT SPRING. THE FOCUS IS TO ALIGN INDUSTRY NEEDS WITH EDUCATIONAL AND COMMUNITY RESOURCES TO DEVELOP ACTIONABLE SOLUTIONS. ANOTHER THING WE ARE WORKING ON LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE HAVE NOT DONE THIS IN QUITE A WHILE. CAREER EXPO FOR 650 STUDENTS. WE THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE GREATLY NEED IN THE CITY AND THE CHAMBER WILL TAKE THE INITIATIVE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. WITH THAT SAID I WANTED TO MAKE IT BRIEF TODAY BECAUSE I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE BEHIND ME WHO NEED TO DISCUSS OTHER ISSUES. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANYTHING.

>> QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

[13.2. Discussion and possible action on the City taking over the Durango Farms HOA drainage easements for french drain area between Durango Farms and FM 1660. (Mayor Pro Tern Peter Gordon) ]

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE UP ITEM 13.2.

>> NO OBJECTIONS ? MOVING UP ITEM 13.2. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION CITY TAKING OVER THE DURING THE FORMS A OI DRAINAGE EASEMENT BETWEEN DURING THE FORMS 1660, WITH THAT WE HAVE CITIZENS TO SPEAK ON THAT, FIRST IS GAIL WEAVER.

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK DID YOU WANT TO HEAR THE PRESENTATION OR

SPEAK FIRST? >> WHAT PRESENTATION?

>> IS A PRESENTATION TIED TO THIS.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO COME IN FIRST MY HUSBAND NEEDS TO GO HOME. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A FRENCH DRAIN AREA. THAT WON'T WORK. I'M SURE MOST OF YOU KNOW THAT OUR SOIL TYPE IN THIS AREA IS BLACK BURLISON COMMONLY KNOWN AS BLACK CLAY, PUT A FRENCH DRAIN IN THIS

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AREA AND THE WATER WILL GO AROUND IT AND IT WILL NOT FEED OUT TO IT, IT WILL NOT WORK. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE WASTING TIME TALKING ABOUT IT. OKAY, HERE IS THE SITUATION. I HAVE STUDIED COTTONWOOD CREEK AND ALONG ITS PATH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FRITZ PARK. I HAVE THE BUG BITES TO PROVE IT. . THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM IN DURING THE FORMS IS BECAUSE IT CANNOT DRAIN. THE CREEK COTTONWOOD CREEK IS COMPLETELY STAGNANT.

YOUR FIRST PICTURE I HAVE THE WATERS TOTALLY STILL. THAT'S NOT THE FIRST PICTURE ACTUALLY IT'S THE THIRD PICTURE I'M TALKING ABOUT BUT ANYWAY THIS IS LITTLE COTTONWOOD CREEK, THE FIRST PICTURE AS IT LEAVES DURING THE FARM AREA WATER DOES NOT GO ANYWHERE. THE WATER BACKS UP INTO THE AREA BETWEEN DURING THE FORMS AND 1660 AND ON THE OTHER SIDE IS A BIG MUDDY MESS WITH BUGS FLYING EVERYWHERE. IT STINGS AND IT IS HORRIBLE. I WALKED IT AND I KNOW. THE ONLY WAY TO DRAIN THE AREA SAFELY AND LEGALLY IS TO CLEAR OUT THE DOWNSTREAM BLOCKAGE IN COTTONWOOD CREEK. IT IS BLOCKED THE HALLWAY UNBELIEVABLE. ALL STAGNANT AND STILL, IT IS NOT MOVING. CAUSING PROBLEMS IN DURANGO FARMS AND OVER IN MAJOR MANNER OR MAKER MEADOWS I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT IS CALLED. THE LADY UP HERE WAS TALKING ABOUT A RELATED PROBLEM BUT NOT QUITE THE SAME PROBLEM. THIS FIRST PICTURES COTTONWOOD CREEK EAST AND WEST OF THE 1660 BRIDGE.

COMPLETELY OUT OF ITS BANKS AND STAGNANT. A BIG MODEL NORTH AND SOUTH OR EAST AND WEST OF 1660 RIGHT AT MEADOWS. MAKER MEADOWS AS A CONCERN ABOUT BLOCKAGE OF STREAM THAT WAS PARTIALLY CAUSED BY THE CONSTRUCTION AT 1660 . THE CONTRACTOR PUSHED DEBRIS, TREES, BUSHES, CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS INTO THE CREEK THERE .

THE THIRD PICTURE SHOWS THAT. I AM LOOKING, THAT WHEN I'M LOOKING SOUTH TOWARD DURANGO FARMS FROM THE WIMMER BRIDGE OVER COTTONWOOD CREEK, THE NEW BRIDGE. THE WATER FLOW IS DAMMED UP WITH A 1660 WIMMER LOOP CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS AND OLD COLLAPSED CONCRETE BRIDGE WHICH I STEPPED ON MYSELF. IT'S GOT A LITTLE THING SCRIBBLED IN IT THAT SAYS BECKY 1982 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT IS WAY BACK. COTTONWOOD CREEK IS OBSTRUCTED FROM NORTH ALL THE WAY TO FRITZ PARK. IT IS STAGNANT, STINKY, FILTHY AND INFESTED WITH BUGS. THIS DISRUPTS THE DRAINAGE OF ADJACENT HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS SUCH AS DURING HER FARMS AND MEADOWS. FRITZ PARK BY THE WAY WHEN I GOT DOWN THERE ON MY WAY DOWN TO THE CREEK WHICH I CANNOT GET DOWN TO BECAUSE IT WAS FLOODED. I GOT MAYBE AS FAR BETWEEN YOU AND ME, MAYOR. SOGGY AND FLOODED AND I DID NOT MY MUD BOOTS ON SO I DID NOT GO DOWN. AS I GOT TO THAT POINT IT WAS A HORRIBLE SMELL OF RAW SEWAGE COMING OUT OF FRITZ PARK. I BELIEVE THE CONSTRUCTION HAS EITHER BURST A SEWER LINE OR MAYBE TURNED UP OLD SEPTIC TANK BUT IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE IT IS A HEALTH ISSUE. SO, THE BOTTOM LINE, THE CITY OR SOMEBODY , I DON'T KNOW WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CREEKS, OKAY? BUT THE CREEK NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP. IT SHOULD NOT BE CLEANED UP STARTING AT LIMMERLOOP BECAUSE THEN YOU WILL FLOOD DURING HER FARMS BECAUSE ALL THAT CRAP WILL FLOW DOWN SO WE NEED TO START AT THE SOUTH END AND WORK BACK. I WILL BE

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GLAD TO GIVE SOMEBODY A TOUR THEY WANT TO GET A BIT LIKE I

DID BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU MEN. DO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE PRESENTATION?

>> I'M SORRY DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS?

>> NOW? SO WE HAVE CARROT . IT IS MORE OF A OPEN SESSION.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF SOME HOMEOWNERS ARE STILL THERE BECAUSE SOME HAD TO GO HOME, THANKFULLY WE HAVE A FEW STILL HERE WE HAD A FEW HOMEOWNERS THAT LEFT COME AS YOU ARE AWARE HE RECEIVED EMAILS IN REGARD TO THE EASEMENT SO AS MENTIONED AND I AGREE WITH HER THE FRENCH DRAINAGE PROJECT IS NOT GOING TO WORK AND WE HAVE SHARED THE CONCERN BUT I'M HERE TO ADDRESS ANOTHER CONCERN WHICH IS OWNERSHIP OF THE EASEMENT. AS YOU ARE AWARE, MAYBE NOT I WILL INFORM AND EDUCATE YOU TONIGHT THAT SINCE THE BEGINNING WHEN MYSELF AND OTHER BOARD MEMBERS FOUND OUT THEY WERE GOING TO PAWN OFF THE BURDEN ON HOA. I HAVE LEGAL DOCUMENTS STATING SEPTEMBER STATING SEPTEMBER 2021 AND AUGUST 2022 WHERE THE DEVELOPER IN CHARGE OF HOA SIGNED OFF AND THEY GIVE US THESE EASEMENTS. THEY KNEW THESE WERE NOT ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM AND WHO WE ARE 2025 STILL TRYING TO ADDRESS THE EASEMENT ISSUE. AS WE DISCUSSED WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH YOU DILIGENTLY SPECIFICALLY THREE OF YOU DISCUSSING IT WITH A LARGE FLOODPLAIN AND DETENTION POND WE WERE LOVELY GIFTED BY THE DEVELOPER AND CITY SIGN OFF ON IT WE HAD TO RACE HOA FEES TO TAKE ON THE BURDEN THAT WAS DUMPED ON THE DOORSTEP. HALF OF THE FEES FOR YOUR GO TO LAND WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING WITH AND I FORGOT TO MENTION PART OF IT IS NOT AN A PERMIT COMPLEX GATED. WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT LEGALLY. SOME OF YOU HAVE MENTIONED IN PERSON THAT IS AN UNHEARD OF DEAL SO HOW COULD THAT BE PASSED? HERE WE ARE AGAIN WE JUST RECEIVED THESE DOCUMENTS AS OF YESTERDAY. WE LITERALLY FOUND OUT YESTERDAY WE ON THE EASEMENT AND NEVER SIGNED OFF BY THE DEVELOPERS $10 BECAUSE THAT MAKES SENSE AND WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THESE. I HAVE LIVED IN THAT COMMUNITY SINCE JANUARY 2022 AND I WATCHED THE DRAINAGE PROJECT HAPPEN. IT IS ABSOLUTE FAILURE. I DON'T CARE IF IT WAS A FORMER ENGINEER FROM HUTTO AS CLAIMED, I DON'T CARE IF IT WAS PASSED CITY COUNCILMEMBER WHO AGREED BUT WHAT I AM SEEING NOW IS FAILED INFRASTRUCTURE. WHY SHOULD WE AS HOMEOWNERS BE RESPONSIBLE FOR FAILED INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS SUCH AS DRAINAGE? AS MENTIONED WE ARE EXPERIENCING DRAINAGE FLOODING.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE RESIDENT HOMES ON FM 1660, THE HOMES ARE LITERALLY SINKING INTO THE GROUND. AMENDED FOR ONE SECOND HOME TONIGHT IN YOUR KITCHEN COUNTER IS CRACKED , KITCHEN COUNTER MADE OUT OF GRANITE OR COURTS IS CRACKED.

BECAUSE OF THE DRAINAGE PROJECT. PATRONAGE ISSUE FAILED TWICE, MERITAGE KEEP SAYING DOING THIS FROM THE KINDNESS OF OUR HEART AND YOU KNEW THEY WOULD GIVE IT TO US. THE HOA, 250 HOMEOWNERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING A THIRD TIME IS THE CHARM DRAINAGE PROJECT AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO PAY THAT. THING ABOUT THAT WE HAVE TAKEN ON A DETENTION POND, THREE OF THEM, WE SPENT HALF OF OUR FEES TAKING CARE OF THAT PIECE OF CRAP NOW WE GET TO TAKE CARE OF EASEMENT. IMAGINE IF SOMEBODY CAME TO YOU AND SAID THE EASEMENT THAT DID NOT WORK THE FIRST AND SECOND TIME NOW WE WILL SPEND $100,000 TO FIX AGAIN BY THE WAY THOSE FM 6060 RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO SUE YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT FIXING THE PROBLEM. HOW IS THAT FAIR TO US AS HOMEOWNERS? DO WE NOT COUNT BECAUSE WE'RE NEW TO THE COMMUNITY AND YOU WANT TO PASS MONEY OFF ON US? WE ALREADY PAY PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT THAT SUPPOSED IMPROVE INFRASTRUCTURE.

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THE IMPROVED INFRASTRUCTURE. CRACKED SIDEWALKS, CRACKED STREETS, IMPROPERLY DONE SIDEWALKS. BOND PERIODS ARE OVER WE CAN DO ABOUT IT NOW AND THE DEVELOPER LET THE

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BOND PERIODS RUN OUT. THE CITY DID NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT SO HERE WE ARE AGAIN EVERY SINGLE MONTH , A BRAND-NEW ISSUE FOR US ON DURING HER FARMS, YOU MUST HATE US EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY HATES US AND WE ARE HERE BEING HOMEOWNERS TRYING TO MAKE OUR WAY. TRYING TO PAY TAXES, I PAY $2000 A YEAR TO THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AND GUESS WHAT I HAVE. CRACKED SIDEWALKS, THREE DETENTION PONDS, CRACKED ROADS, FAILED INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE ARE NOT EVEN THREE YEARS OLD AND THOSE DEVELOPERS I PROMISE YOU IF I FIND OUT THEY INTENTIONALLY KNEW THAT THEY BUILT ON FAULTY LAND IN THOSE ENGINEERS FROM HUTTO WHOEVER THEY WERE SIGNED OFF ON THAT YOU HAVE A HUGE DRAINAGE PROBLEM IN THE CITY AND YOU EXPECT US TO PAY FOR IT. PLEASE I AM BEGGING YOU, CALL ME AN EMOTIONAL HOMEOWNER I DON'T CARE ANYMORE. I'M PAST THE POINT OF PROFESSIONALISM. I'M COMING HERE BEGGING YOUR FROM HOMEOWNERS, 250 BEGGING YOU PLEASE FOR ONCE THROW US A BONE PLEASE. TAKE THIS BECAUSE LAST CITY COUNCIL WHAT I HEARD WAS I BELIEVE DAN THORNTON SAYING SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF WE ARE NOT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR LACK OF PLANNING OR IMPROPER PLANNING OF THE HOA. WE DO NOT PLAN THIS WE WERE GIVEN THIS AND WE'RE FINDING OUT SOMETHING NEW EVERY SNOW MONTH. IT IS ACTUALLY KIND OF RUDE TO SAY THAT, WE'RE COMING HERE ASKING FOR YOUR HELP. PLEASE SERIOUSLY TAKE THIS EASEMENT AWAY FROM US BECAUSE WE CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER FINANCIAL HARDSHIP IN OUR COMMUNITY. I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT NOW IF IT FAILS AGAIN WHICH LET'S BE REAL WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO FAIL AGAIN MERITAGE SAYS IT WILL AND THE ENGINEER SAYS IT WON'T BUT IT'S NOT ADDRESSING THE REAL PROBLEM IT'S PUTTING A BAND-AID ON THE ISSUE IT'S NOT GOING TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM AND YOU ALL ARE PUTTING THAT ON US 250 HOMEOWNERS TO SAY SO BAD YOU WANT TO FIX IT. I WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH THAT BECAUSE THIS IS TRULY AN ISSUE OF FAILED INFRASTRUCTURE ACROSS THE CITY AND I DON'T THINK IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT AND I WOULD URGE YOU TO CONSIDER TAKING THIS OVER BECAUSE THIS IS A BIGGER ISSUE THAN US. WE DON'T DESERVE TO TAKE ON EVERY SINGLE DRAINAGE PRODUCT IN THE CITY OF HUTTO.

DON'T MAKE US RAISE HOA FEES FOR HOMEOWNERS THEY ARE ALREADY AND WE DON'T HAVE TOYS, PLEASE TAKE THE EASEMENT PLEASE. IF YOU

HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I AM HERE. >> THANK YOU.

>> THERE IS A PRESENTATION? >> DO YOU HAVE IT TO PULL IT UP?

>> IT WAS FROM MERITAGE AND IT GOT EMAILED TODAY OR YESTERDAY.

>> IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE PACKET THAT IT WAS MISSED.

>> GOOD EVENING. CITY ENGINEER. SO I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE THIS IS A LITTLE HARD TO SEE ON THE SCREEN. I PUT SOME STUFF IN HERE TO FACILITATE THE CONVERSATION. WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE ORIGINAL FRENCH DRAIN DESIGN APPROVED I THINK IN 2023 SOME TIME. IT IS A VERY TRADITIONAL FRENCH DRAIN. IT STARTS ALONG THE SOUTH BORDER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PROCEEDS EAST THEN TURNS NORTH AND CUTS THROUGH THE BACK BASICALLY THE BACKYARDS OF EVERYBODY'S LOTS. YOU CAN SEE AND I DON'T HAVE A WAY TO POINT I DON'T THINK.

>> YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PIPE COMES DOWN AND CONNECTS TO THE ROADWAY. BETWEEN LOT NINE AND 10. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. YOU CAN SEE THE TRADITIONAL FRENCH DRAIN WITH ROCK BASICALLY ON THE TOP, IT'S GOT ROCK AROUND THE PERFORATED PIPE THAT IS WRAPPED AND THE IDEA BEING THE WATER WOULD GO TO THE ROCK AREA FILTERED DOWN GET INTO THE PERFORATED PIPE AND THEN BE CONVEYED A WAY THAT'S THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.

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>> I THOUGHT FRENCH DRAINS USUALLY HAD SORRY. THE WATER WOULD COME AND GO THROUGH THE PERFORATION IN THE PIPE? SO ALMOST LIKE A OPEN CHANNEL WITH A GRADE ON THEM TO ALLOW A BUNCH OF WATER TO COME IN AND THEN MOVES ON BUT THIS IS A SLOWER

PROCESS? >> THE WAY THIS IS DESIGNED IS THE WATER SHOULD FLOW TO THAT TRENCH. LET ME GO FORWARD MAYBE I CAN ZOOM IN. THAT IS A BLOWUP OF THE ORIGINAL FRENCH DRAIN DETAIL. THE CONCEPT WAS WATER WOULD FLOW ACROSS THE GRASS TO THE WASHED ROUND RIVER GRAVEL AT THE TOP. IT WOULD FILTER DOWN THROUGH THE ROCK LAYER. FINDINGS WOULD BE CAUGHT IN THE WRAPPING OF THE PIPE AND PERFORATIONS WOULD ALLOW WATER TO GET INTO THE PIPE AND THEN IT WOULD FLOW THROUGH THE PIPE OUT TO THE STREET THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT.

>> HOW MUCH WATER DOES THAT TAKE IN? OPEN CUT PIPE WITH A FILTER SYSTEM ON TOP THAT WASN'T PERFORATED ? LIKE YOU SEE ON EVERY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. HOW MUCH LESS DOES THIS TAKE ? LET'S SAY IT TAKES A LOT LESS WATER WHICH MAY EXPLAIN WHY YOU START GETTING PONDING BECAUSE I GUESS IT'S PONDING.

>> THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS HAPPENING. THIS IS PART OF THE CONVERSATION, HAVE NOT BEEN IN ALL THE CONVERSATIONS SO LET ME CLARIFY. HAVING CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN HOMEOWNERS ON 1660 AND MERITAGE. I'VE BEEN PART OF SOME OF THOSE, THERE BEEN CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN HOMEOWNERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MERITAGE IN THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPERS SO PART OF THE PROBLEM AS I UNDERSTAND WITH THE LIMITED EXPOSURE I HAVE HAD AS YOU ARE RIGHT THERE IS LIMITED WATER HERE. A PRETTY FLAT AREA , NOT A LOT OF SLOPE TO FORCE THE WATER DOWN WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO. THERE IS FENCES THERE HERE, LANDSCAPING ALL THROUGH HERE, THE BACKYARDS DRAIN BACK TO THE FRENCH DRAIN SO NOW YOU ARE IMPOUNDING WATER ON THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY CANNOT DRAIN THE WAY THEY WANT TO DRAIN. IT IS A CONVOLUTED CONCOCTION OF ISSUES.

THE OTHER THING BASED ON THE LAST MEETING WITH MERITAGE AND 1660 OWNERS WAS MERITAGE SAYS SOME HOMEOWNERS ON THE STRETCH WHICH IS WHERE THEY PROPOSE TO CHANGE THE DESIGN HAVE TRIED TO LANDSCAPE AND DO OTHER THINGS OVER THE FRENCH DRAIN BECAUSE IT'S IN THEIR BACKYARD SO THEY ARE TRYING TO USE THEIR BACKYARD. AS A HOMEOWNER I WANT TO USE MY BACKYARD TOO. THAT'S WHY THEY SAID THE NEW ALTERNATIVE SHOULD WORK BETTER.

>> THOSE CIRCLES ON THE PAGE ARE THOSE TREES? THE CORNER LOT.

>> YES THOSE ARE TREES THAT THEY PLANNED.

>> IS THAT IN A 10 FOOT EASEMENT?

>> I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE NOT GONE OUT AND CHECKED IT.

>> SO THE FRENCH DRAIN ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE IMPEDING THE

FRENCH DRAIN FROM DOING ITS JOB? >> WHEN YOU COMBINE THEM ALL YES IT IS GREETING ISSUE FOR THE FRENCH DRAIN TO NOT WORK THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED BY THE DESIGN ENGINEER.

>> GOING IN AND IMPROVING THE FRENCH DRAIN WOULD ESSENTIALLY NOT HELP BECAUSE OF THE PUDDLING ALREADY HAPPENING?

>> SO THAT'S WHERE YOU GET TO THE NEW CONCEPT. THE NEW CONCEPT REMEMBER THERE'S FRENCH TRAINING ON THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY AND ALONG THE EASTERN BOUNDARY. THE NEW CONCEPT ONLY PROPOSES CHANGES ALONG THE EASTERN BOUNDARY NOT THE STUFF ON THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY. WE ARE NOT REDOING THE WHOLE FRENCH DRAIN WE ARE DOING MAYBE 3/4 OF EIGHT. ARE YOU TRACKING? SO THIS IS THE NEW CONCEPT JUST SENT OUT YESTERDAY OR TODAY. HERE IS A BLOWUP OF THE DETAIL THEY ARE PROPOSING. YOU CAN SEE BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING INSTEAD OF HAVING THE TRADITIONAL FRENCH

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DRAIN WITH A ROCK ON TOP OF THE TRENCH ON TOP OF THE PIPE, THEY WILL GO CONSTRUCT A CONCRETE SLAB A CONCRETE CHANNEL AND THEN COME PUT ROCK ON TOP OF THAT. THE CONCRETE CHANNEL SLOPE TO THE AREA DRAINS, THE AREA DRAIN WOULD GO INTO THE PIPE UNDERGROUND AND THE PIPE WOULD CONVEY THINGS BACK . SO IT IS MORE OF A TRADITIONAL CURB AND GUTTER TYPE OF THING BUT THEY'RE PUTTING IT UNDER THE ROCK SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS CONCRETE JUNGLE IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARD AND MORE APPEASING TO THE ICE.

>> THAT DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE DEBRIS?

>> NO. IF YOU HAVE SEDIMENTATION AND GRASS CLIPPINGS WASHING OFF IT'S ALL GOING TO GET TRAPPED IN THERE. THE THING IS TWO THINGS. INSTEAD OF RELYING COMPLETELY ON THE ROCK NOW YOU HAVE A CONCRETE BASE TO TRY TO CONVEY THE WATER BUT YOU ARE RIGHT. PEOPLE WITH YARDS AND THEY DON'T PICK UP THE CLIPPINGS AND HAVE KIDS OUT THERE AND TOYS GET WASHED INTO THIS IT'S GOING TO BASICALLY CLOG UP THE ROCK.

>> WHAT IS, I MEAN, HOW IS THIS A VIABLE SOLUTION IF THAT IS , I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENS . I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.

>> THOSE ARE VALID QUESTIONS . I MEAN I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER. THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. SO THAT IS WHERE , TO THEIR POINT THAT'S WHERE MAINTENANCE WOULD COME AND WHETHER THE HOA OR THE CITY MAINTAINING. SOMEBODY ABOUT GOING ON A REGULAR BASIS AND GOING TO THE BACKYARDS AND MAKE SURE CLEANING OUT, THAT IT IS OPERATING THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO. THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT PUTTING THINGS IN THE FRENCH DRAIN THAT WILL CLOG IT UP, WHETHER A SHED OR TOYS OR PLAYGROUND OR JUST LETTING YOUR

CLIPPINGS AND STUFF GOING. >> IS THIS THE ONLY OPTION? YOU KNOW TWO POINTS MADE ALREADY , WE DO HAVE FOLKS FOLLOWING THE PROPER UDC COAT ON HOW CLOSE YOU CAN BUILD SOMETHING TO YOUR HOUSE . IS THIS THE ONLY OPTION THAT YOU HAVE SEEN IN YOUR CAREER TO HANDLE SOMETHING LIKE THIS? OR IS THAT JUST KIND OF ,

WHAT? >> I'M SURE I'M TRYING TO SHED

LIGHT. >> IS THIS THE BEST OPTION YOU

WOULD RECOMMEND? >> IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION NO. I WOULD NOT HAVE DONE THE ORIGINAL FRENCH DRAIN EITHER BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THINGS FROM A CITY ENGINEER PERSPECTIVE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS AND SAY COULD THIS WORK IS IT PROPERLY DESIGNED YES. MY PERSONAL PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT WHAT I RECOMMEND THIS KIND OF THING IF I WAS THE CLIENT OR WORKING FOR A CLIENT I WOULDN'T.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. IF YOU'RE NOT OKAY WITH THIS IF WE WERE TO GO AHEAD AND DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT WOULD BE BACK TO US IN A YEAR OR TWO AND IT WOULD BE WHY DIDN'T THIS WORK? I WOULDN'T HAVE GIVEN THAT RECOMMENDATION IN THE FIRST PLACE SO WHAT I AM ASKING IN A NON-COMBATIVE WAY IS WHAT WOULD BE YOUR SOLUTION THAT YOU WOULD ADVISE US TO CONSIDER , IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THIS POTENTIAL FOR THIS CURRENT PROBLEM?

>> I CAN TELL YOU THE ORIGINAL CONVERSATIONS AND KEEP IN MIND.

WHEN THE FIRST FRENCH DRAIN CAME UP I HAD BEEN HERE A MONTH AND A HALF SO I WAS PLAYING CATCH-UP TRYING TO DRINK FROM THE FIREHOUSE AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. AT THAT POINT I SUGGESTED THEY SHORTEN BACKYARDS AND PUT A TRADITIONAL STORM DRAIN SYSTEM WITH A TYPICAL CONCRETE SWALE TO CATCH WATER FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS AND CONVEY AROUND TO THE PUBLIC SYSTEM. THAT IS PROBLEMATIC FOR MULTIPLE REASONS. YOU TO GIVE PUBLIC , EASEMENT, SHORT IN THEIR YARDS, I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT FROM A POLITICAL AND SALES NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUE LANDOWNER YOU HAVE TAKEN MY LAND. FROM THE

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ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE THAT IS THE CLEANEST SIMPLEST AND MOST STRAIGHTFORWARD PATH TO TRY TO MITIGATE THESE ISSUES. AT THE TIME THERE WERE MULTIPLE THINGS SO THE FRENCH DRAIN WAS IN PROGRESS. MY JOB TO LOOK AT THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THE PRIVATE DESIGN TO SEE IF IT MEETS TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS. IT DID I CANNOT STAND ON MY PERSONAL FEELINGS SO AGAIN IT'S PRIVATE AND I SAID IT MEETS TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS OKAY.

>> WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS FURTHER TO GIVE ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION OTHER THAN THE RECOMMENDATION BEING GIVEN TONIGHT WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS FURTHER AND ASSESS A TOCOM RECOMMENDATION YOU WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH?

>> I TAKE THAT BACK, YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS ONE BUT AS FAR AS LIKE ME ASKING YOU COULD YOU GIVE ME YOUR PERSONAL PROFESSIONAL OPINION WOULD YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THIS FURTHER?

>> YES I WILL TELL YOU WHAT I SAID IN THE LAST MEETING I WAS IN WITH MERITAGE AND RESIDENTS ALONG 1660. AGAIN THIS IS A PRIVATE SYSTEM NOT WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT FROM THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS THE ENGINEER SAYS IT WOULD WORK. I WILL LOOK AT EVERY THING WHEN THEY SUBMIT AND SEE IF I SEE ISSUES BUT IF THIS WAS A PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT THAT I KNEW THE CITY WOULD BE ON THE HOOK FOR MAINTAINING IN THE LONG RUN I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND YOU WOULD DO THIS.

>> UNDERSTOOD. >> WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS THE US FROM THE RESIDENT AS WE TAKE THIS ON AND AS A COUNCIL BODY I WOULD NOT TAKE OVER THIS WHERE IT IS. IF WE WERE TO TRY TO DO THAT WE WOULD COME TO AGREEMENT WHERE WE WOULD GET THE RESIDENTS TO SAY IF YOU WANT THE CITY TO OWN AND PAY FOR IT WE WILL DESIGN IT LIKE YOU SAID. OF THE CONCRETE DRAINS LIKE LEGENDS OF HUTTO. WE ALSO HAVE THE CHANNELS WE HAVE TO UPGRADE. THEN WHAT YOU WOULD DO IS SAY YES TO GIVE UP THE SETBACK AND WE WILL BUILD IT IN THE CITY WOULD OWN IT AND THEY WOULD PAY TO BUILD THE DESIGN. YOU CAN DISABLE WITH YOU INFERIOR DESIGN AND WE ALREADY CANNOT EVEN PUT IN SIDEWALKS IN PHASE 3 OF RIVERWALK , WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT ARE NOT GIVING EASEMENT ACCESS TO PUT IN A SIDEWALK FOR ADA COMPLIANT. THE PROJECT ARE PUT ON HOLD TWO WEEKS AGO. AND I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE PEOPLE SAYING YOU NEED TO COME IN MY BACKYARD EVERY MONTH TO CLEAN THE DRAIN? IF THE CITY TOOK OWNERSHIP OF IT WE WOULD HAVE TO OTHERWISE WE WOULD GET SUED WHEN THE DRAIN FAILS. AS YOU SELL A HOME COME OVER TIME THAT CREATES A UNTENABLE SITUATION FOR THE CITY TO TAKE ON LIABILITY OF THAT IF IT IS IN THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTY. SO MY OPINION IS IF THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO VOTE TO GO FORWARD TAKING OVER IT CANNOT BE IN THE EXISTING THING, THE LAND HAS TO BE DEDICATED WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO GET HOMEOWNERS TO AGREE TO GIVE OVERLAND THEN WE CAN MOVE FENCES AS PART OF MITIGATION AND THEN THE CITY OWNS LAND AND MAINTAINS IT. IT CANNOT BE WE WERE JUST ON MAINTENANCE OF THE DRAIN AND IT IS STILL IN THE PROPERTY OWNER YARDS WHERE THEY CAN RUIN IT AND WE ON THE HOOK. THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THE REST OF THE CITIZENS OF HUTTO AND THAT IS A WASTE OF TAXPAYER MONEY. THERE'S NOT MONEY FOR THAT. SO YOU KNOW THAT'S WHERE I AM WONDERING I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE GO FROM HERE BECAUSE AS LONG AS IT'S PRIVATE LAND WE CAN TAKE OWNERSHIP. EVEN THE DRAINAGE DITCHES IN LEGENDS OF HUTTO. THAT LAND WAS GIVEN OVER TO THE CITY. THE CITY OWNS THE LAND AND THEN TO MAINTAIN AND WE HAVE DRAINAGE MITIGATION THAT'S A PROJECT NOW. SEEM THINK OF THE CITY WAS TO DO THIS THE SAME PROCESS WOULD HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED AND WE WOULD HAVE TO GET HOMEOWNERS TO AGREE EITHER THAT OR I'M IMAGINING RESIDENTS WOULD WANT TO GIVE UP THAT AMOUNT OTHERWISE THEY WILL HAVE THAT ASSESSMENT OF THE PROPERTY.

I DON'T KNOW LEGALLY HOW WE CAN DO IT ANY OTHER WAY. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD CREATE MASSIVE PROBLEM FOR THE CITY.

>> TO YOUR POINT AND THAT SOMETHING RAISED TO CITY MANAGER. WHETHER THE HOA TAKES IT WITH THE CITY TAKES OVER THE FENCES ARE A PROBLEM. I AM NOT A FORTUNE TELLER , BUT I HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND IS GOING TO GUESS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. CITY, HOA WHOEVER GOES TO DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO

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MAINTAIN. AT SOME POINT WOODEN FENCES THAT CROP THIS AT EVERY LOT WOULD HAVE TO GET PULLED OUT NOW THE CITY OR HOA'S ON THE HOOK FOR BUILDING SOMEBODY ELSE'S FACE AND HE DID NOT GET BILLED PROPERLY WE DID NOT LIKE THE WAY YOU DID IT SO IT OPENS UP QUESTIONS YOU RAISED. SO I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU WHETHER THE HOA KEEPS IT WITH THE CITY TAKES IT MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE REGARDLESS WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE FENCES TO GET THEM OUT OF THE WAY.

>> BUT WHEN I READ THE EASEMENT , YOU CAN'T PUT A TREE. SO MY QUESTION IS WHAT LEVERAGE DOES THE CITY HAVE? IS THERE A PHASE THEY ARE WORKING ON OR SOMETHING OR MERITAGE ? IS THERE SOMETHING GOING ON BECAUSE I'M FINDING LEVERAGE TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY

INSTEAD OF A CHEAP WAY. >> IS THERE ANY OTHER MERITAGE PROJECT? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OTHER ACTIVE.

>> THE PROBLEM IS I SEE THIS AS A PRIVATE MATTER BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GOING UP AGAINST A MAJOR COMPANY SO THEY PUT THE EASEMENT IN PLACE AND FROM WHAT I COULD TELL THE EASEMENT RUNS FIVE FOOT ON THE PROPERTY LINE AND FIVE ON THE OTHER WHERE COMES TO THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THERE'S OFFENSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT . THEY WROTE THE LANGUAGE BUT THEY ALSO CONTROL THE HOA SO BASICALLY THEY MOVED OBLIGATION OFF OF THEIR BALANCE SHEET TO THE FUTURE GROUP AND THEY HELD ON.

SAME THING I THINK DURING GO OR PARTNERS DID SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX THAT BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW GOING IN , TO ME SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME WAY TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY AND IT MAY BE EXPENSIVE BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND IF WE DON'T HAVE LEVERAGE AND THEN SOMEONE IS GOING TO SUE THEM BUT I WOULD HAVE TO RELY ON THE CITY ATTORNEY. WE ARE NOT THE ONES BEING DAMAGED, IT HAS TO BE THE HOA AND RETURNING TO BE THE MEDIA VERY ON HOW WE GET THIS FIXED RIGHT REGARDLESS ON WHO HANDLES IT AND MAINTAINS IT . I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RUN INTO SOMETHING LIKE THIS BEFORE IN ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD EITHER ONE

OF YOU? GO FOR IT. >>

>> HOW DO WE HELP THEM? >>

>> ONE OPTION WOULD BE ASK EMERITUS TO CUT US A CHECK FOR THE MONEY THEY WILL SPEND FOR THE PROPOSAL THEY DO AND US MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE, TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO AGREE TO THE FENCE AND BUILD THE THING THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE BUILT TO ACTUALLY WORK. MAKE IT A DRAINAGE PROJECT AND MAKE IT A CAPITAL PROJECT. THAT IS AN OPTION. HOW DO WE GET MAYOR TOSH TO DO THE WORK OF A DIFFERENT DESIGN I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER BECAUSE NORMALLY LIKE YOU SAID WE WOULD HAVE OTHER WAYS TO WORK WITH THIS SO WE COULD GET THIS TAKEN CARE OF BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE PLACE OF THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN WOULD BE THEM WALKING AWAY. THERE'S A SOLUTION.

>> WHAT PERCENT OF FAULTS ARE WE AT? HERE'S HOW I UNDERSTAND.

SOMEONE ENGINEERS A NEIGHBORHOOD , THE DRAINAGE AND THAT THE ENGINEER STAMPS IT AND OUR JOB IS TO REVIEW, NOT NECESSARILY HERE IS HOW I WOULD DO IT AS YOU PAY WITH PUBLIC MONEY THEY'RE PAYING WITH PRIVATE MONEY. NOTHING YOU OVERSPEND BUT THE MONEY IS NOT THE SAME PROBLEM WITH YOU AS IT IS WITH THE

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PERSON TOLD HEY CUT EVERY CORNER TO MAKE SURE THIS GOES RIGHT. AT WHAT POINT WHEN THIS STUFF COMES IN THE DRAINAGE STUDIES AT WHAT POINT IS A CITY HAVE SOME KIND OF INPUT TO GO THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. IF YOU LOOK AT EMORY FORMS HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES BUT THAT'S NOT A CITY ISSUE. I DON'T HOW LAKESIDE ESTATES GOT TO BE PLATTED TO THE CITY BUT WE ARE SPENDING TIME FIXING OTHER PEOPLE'S PROBLEMS THAT WASN'T DEVELOPED CORRECTLY SO WE CAN'T GET OTHER PROBLEMS HAPPENING BECAUSE WE ARE TIED UP AND IT SEEMS LIKE ANOTHER. TAKES THE NEIGHBORHOOD DECIDE TO PAY FOR IT AND 18 OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS SAY I NEED HELP NOW. HOW DO WE GET TO WHERE WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS BUILD WITHOUT PROBLEMS OR IS THIS JUST HOW IT IS?

>> SO I'M JUST GOING TO PUT IT OUT THERE. ENGINEERS ARE PEOPLE, EVERYBODY MAKES MISTAKES. EVERY ENGINEER IS A FLAWED HUMAN BEING JUST LIKE EVERY ATTORNEY, EVERY ACCOUNTING, WE ARE ALL FLAWED HUMAN BEINGS. I DID NOT SAY CITY MANAGERS. I POINTED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. SHE KNOWS OTHER ATTORNEYS. SO MISTAKES ARE GOING TO HAPPEN. I WILL LET DOTTIE SPEAK TO LEGALITY BUT WHEN WE REVIEW PLANS ALTHOUGH THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CORRECTNESS OF THE PLANTS STAYS WITH THE PERSON WHO SIGNS AND SEALS, THE CITY DOES NOT TECHNICALLY APPROVE, WE ACCEPT YOUR PLANS. WE DO OUR BEST EFFORT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE DONE DUE DILIGENCE TO DESIGN EVERYTHING PROPERLY. THIS WAS IN PROGRESS WHEN I GOT HERE AND ONE OF THE FIRST THING I WAS TASKED WITH WAS GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PLANS FROM 2021 TO SEE WHAT WE MISSED. SO I WENT BACK TO LOOK AT THE GRADING PLANS FROM THE INFRASTRUCTURE NOT THE HOMEBUILDER THAT'S A DIFFERENT PROCESS. I WENT BACK TO LOOK AT THE RESEARCHER PLANS AND I DO SEE FROM A GRADING PERSPECTIVE THE PROBLEM BECAUSE WHAT THEY GRADED THE LOTS TO DO IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS TO DRAIN TOWARD THE STREET. HERE IS WHERE THINGS AND WE ARE WORKING TO FIGURE IT OUT HERE IS WHERE THINGS GO HANKY AND THAT IS A TECHNICAL TERM. WHEN YOU FINISH YOUR RESEARCH UPON YOU GO ACCEPT THEM AND THEN NEW THINGS, AND ON THE LOTS SOMETIMES THEY SIT VACANT FOR YEARS SOMETIMES YOU HAVE HOMEBUILDERS COME IN RIGHT AWAY. SOMETIMES IT'S ONE HOMEBUILDER AND SOMETIMES IT'S A DOZEN DEPENDING ON HOW THE SUBDIVISION IS DONE. SO THAT GOES THROUGH A DIFFERENT PROCESS WHERE THEY CAN COME IN AND THERE'S THREE TYPICAL TYPES OF GRADING FOR THE HOME, A, B, C.

ONE OF THEM DRAINED EVERYTHING TO THE FRONT OF THE LOT, ONE THE BACK AND ONE OF THEM SPLITS THE FLOW BUT THAT CHANGES THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE GRADING PLAN. SO MY BEST GUESS IS SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED. THE ORIGINAL DESIGN ENGINEER ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE SAID WE WANT THE WATER TO GO THIS WAY WHEN THE HOMEBUILDER CAME IN THEY SAID WE WANT THESE TYPES OF LOTS WE WILL CHANGE DIRECTION OF THE FLOW. IT WAS NOT ENOUGH , LET ME SAY THIS BEFORE ANYBODY SHOOTS ME DOWN.

IT WAS NOT ENOUGH TO FLOOD PEOPLE OUT BUT IT WAS ENOUGH TO CREATE WATER ISSUES ON PROPERTY WHICH CAUSES ISSUES FOR FOUNDATION AND ALL THE OTHER ISSUES. PEOPLE HAVE SINKING AREAS IN THEIR BACKYARDS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. IT'S NOT LIKE FLOWING TO THEIR UPSTAIRS BUT IT'S ENOUGH TO CREATE A HEADACHE AND COST AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS AND STUFF NONE OF US EVER WANT TO DEAL WITH. THAT'S MY BEST GUESS ON HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT AND THEN THE FRENCH DRAIN HAPPENED AND ALL THAT STUFF. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER YOU ON HOW WE MAKE SURE THIS NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN OTHER THAN I'M DOING MY BEST WITH MY TEAM TO CATCH EVERYTHING WE CAN AND YOU GUYS HAVE ALL HAD COMPLAINTS FROM VARIOUS DEVELOPERS CONTRACTORS ENGINEERS ABOUT ME MAKING THEM RUN THROUGH MANY HOOPS TO GET THEIR STUFF RIGHT. I'M TRYING TO HOLD THEM TO EVERY LETTER OF THE LAW THAT I CAN BUT AS FAR AS LEGAL LIABILITY I DON'T THINK WE CAN BE HELD LIABLE IF WE ACCEPT THE PLAN IT IS STILL ON THE

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ENGINEER. >> CURRENTLY THE LEGISLATURE HAS NOT DONE THAT TO THE CITY. THE BURDEN IS ON THE PERSON WHO STAMPS THE PLAN AND WE DON'T STAMP THE PLANE.

>> BELIEVE ME THERE ARE TIMES -- I HAVE HAD THE SAME ENGINEERING COMPANY DO TWO PROJECTS AND HAD A GRADE BREAK OF EIGHT FEET.

DON'T KNOW HOW BUT UNTIL SOMEONE COMES OUT GRADING THE GROUND SAYS THIS WILL NOT LINEUP AND MATCH UP TO THE PAVEMENT.

WHAT HAPPENED? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO OTHER CITIES MAYBE IT'S TOO FAR ALONG FOR THIS ONE OF THE CITIES NOT GIVE CO SING OF A MAJOR PROBLEM IT'S MORE COMMERCIAL AND I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOES RESIDENTIAL. I I REMEMBER BEING TOLD THIS WHOLE ROAD IS HIGHER THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED WHICH TO ME THEN MAKES THE WATER MOVED TO THE EAST NON-WORD SUPPOSED TO GO IN THE CUL-DE-SAC. THERE IS A GRADE BREAK WEST OF THE GRADE BREAK THERE'S NO DRAINAGE OR INLETS ANYWAY. IT FLOWS THROUGH THE CUL-DE-SAC , THE PEOPLE'S YARDS AND NO WONDER THERE'S FIGHTING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CAPTURING IT SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHO IS RESPONSIBLE, HOW WE FIX THIS, HOW WE CAN LEVERAGE AND NOT TO SPEND 10 GRAND TO DO SOMETHING IT'S GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE IS OF A FENCE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE

EASEMENT. >> IS PRAIRIE WINS MERITAGE? IS IN THE PRAIRIE WINS SUBDIVISION WITH A PLAN ON BUILDING?

>> WE HAVE SO MANY NAMES. IT IS LIDA WALKER ?

>> FEBRUARY 6 OKAY. OKAY. >> SO TO CLARIFY THE EASEMENT THE FENCE IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE EASEMENT, EASEMENT IS

ENTIRELY ON DURING THE FORMS. >> TO THE MAYOR'S POINT. I TRIED TO GET YOUR PICTURE. SEE THE LINE GOING BETWEEN LOT 9 AND 10 THAT IS THE OUTFALL PIPE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO DRAIN ALL THE WATER FROM THE FRENCH DRAIN TO THE STREET. THAT EASEMENT IS BASICALLY IN THE CENTER OF THE FENCE.

>> CORRECT ON THAT ONE BUT THAT IS A UNDERGROUND PIPE.

>> ALL OF THIS IS UNDERGROUND PIPE.

>> LET ME GO BACK IT IS NOT ALL UNDERGROUND PIPE BECAUSE A BUNCH OF IT IS ABOVEGROUND CEMENT WITH ROCKS IN IT AND THAT'S GOING ALONG THE BACK FENCES. THERE'S NOT GOING TO HAVE ALL THE ROCK AND EVERYTHING VISIBLE. BETWEEN THE HOMES. FROM THE DESIGN I

SAW. >> IF YOU LOOK HERE YOU WILL SEE THIS IS PARALLEL TO THE BACK FENCE SO YES IT IS COMPLETELY IN THE PEOPLE'S BACKYARD BUT MY POINT WAS EVERYWHERE YOU HAVE A LONG LINE YOU HAVE A FENCE THAT GOES TO THE BACK FENCE WHICH MEANS THIS WILL GO UNDER THE FENCES.

>> I GUESS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY IS IT IS NOT FIVE FEET ON THE DURING THE FORMS PEOPLE AND FIVE FEET ON THE HIGHWAY 1660. I'M TALKING THE SIZE OF THE EASEMENT THAT GOES ALONG THE BACK FENCES OF DURING THE FORMS , THE ENTIRE 10 FEET ON THE

DURANGO FUNDS SITE. >> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT GOES FROM THE BACK FENCE . THAT'S THE ONE THAT SEEMS THE

FENCES IN THE MIDDLE. >> THAT ONE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. THE WHOLE REASON I BROUGHT THIS TO COUNCIL IS I HAVE BEEN ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING WITH FOLKS FROM DURING A FARMS AND HIGHWAY 1660 FROM MERITAGE. THERE WAS A GUY FROM MERITAGE.

MAYBE WILL COME BACK HE JUST LEFT. MY CONCERN HAS BEEN REALLY DON'T THINK IT IS RIGHT PERSONALLY TO PUT THIS KIND OF RESPONSIBILITY AND EASEMENT ON HOA THERE IS NO WAY THAT'S EVER GOING TO BE A LONG-TERM RELIABLE SOLUTION, HOA WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN. MY MORE SIGNIFICANT CONCERN IS THE CURRENT DESIGN IS IN THE BACKYARDS OF THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEN IF WE DO TAKE IT

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OVER LIKE LET'S SAY WE VOTE TO TAKE OVER THE EASEMENT FROM THE CITY, I WOULD BE EXTREMELY ACCOUNTABLE DOING AT WHILE IT IS IN THEIR BACKYARD. I AM WITH YOU I THINK WE NEED TO TALK TO THOSE HOMEOWNERS ABOUT ALLOWING US TO MOVE THE FENCE FIVE FEET IN OR HOWEVER MANY FEET YOU NEED TO DO IT AS THE DESIGN IS NOW THAT IS UNUSABLE SPACE ANYWAY WITH THE DESIGN BECAUSE IT WILL HAVE CEMENT, THE ROCK ALL THAT STUFF, IT IS COMPLETELY UNUSABLE AND WITH THE EASEMENT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PUT ANYTHING IN ANYWAY BECAUSE THE EASEMENT WILL SAY YOU CANNOT TOUCH THE 10 FEET SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL FENCE IT OFF. SO THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY PROPOSAL. ONE, THE CITY CONSIDER TAKING OVER EASEMENT AND WE PURSUE MOVING THE FENCE SO THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THEIR YARD AND THREE I LIKE THE SUGGESTION OF GOING TO MERITAGE AND WORKING A DEAL TO SAY THIS IS YOUR DESIGN , WE THINK IT IS INSUFFICIENT BECAUSE CURRENTLY THERE ON THE HOOK TO PAY FOR THAT AND LIKE THE SENIOR MANAGER SAID, HOW MUCH ARE YOU GOING TO PAY TO DO THIS? CUT US A CHECK FOR THE DIFFERENCE OR CONVINCE THEM TO BUILD TO WHATEVER YOU THINK WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO DO IT AND WE DO IT THAT WAY. THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE CURRENT PLAN IS TO DO IT IN THEIR BACKYARD AND HAVE THE HOA BE RESPONSIBLE TO GO INTO THEIR BACKYARD AND MAKE SURE IT IS GOOD AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> EVEN THOUGH THE ONE PERSON THEY WANTED TO HAVE PRIVACY, BUT THEY PLANTED 15 TREES AND EVERY ONE OF THEM IS RIGHT ON A 10 FOOT LINE AND ALL THE ROOTS WILL GO RIGHT INTO THE DRAINAGE

SYSTEM. >> I'M PRETTY SURE THE HOMEOWNER DID NOT DO THAT, MERITAGE DID.

>> YES. >> HOWEVER, IF YOU MOVE THE FENCE LINE I DON'T KNOW THE TREES CAN EVEN STAY. SO IT'S

NOT JUST THAT. >> IF WE DON'T CONTROL THE QUALITY AND RESTART SETTING THE PRECEDENT THAN WHAT STOPS EVERYTHING FROM CUTTING EVERY CORNER THEY HAVE GOING THE CITY WILL TAKE IT OVER? SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO FORCE THEM TO DO IT CORRECTLY. IF AFTER ESCROW MONEY FOR THE MAINTENANCE SUFFICIENT TO HOA IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE OR DONE IN A MANNER THAT IS SO ROBUST THROUGH THE INLET AT THE BACK WHERE IT FLOODS AND WE TALKED 10 FEET ALL THE WAY DOWN GOING UNDERNEATH INTO THE STORM SYSTEM AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT PULLS A PIPE TO A GUTTER AND GOING TO THE INLET. HAVE SEEN AVERAGE WITH THE ACTUAL INLET IN THE BACK CORNER OF THE YARD AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS ACTUALLY COMES INTO THE STORM SYSTEM BUT --

>> I THOUGHT I HAD A SCREENSHOT. >> DEPENDS ON HOW MANY NEIGHBORHOODS WE HAVE. THERE ARE ISSUES ALL OVER THE PLACE. GOT TO BE ANYWHERE WHERE WE DON'T TAKE ON AND ON OTHERWISE WE ARE CHARGING TWO DOLLARS A MONTH DRAINAGE FEES AND I DID NOT COVER THE WORK FOR LAKESIDE ESTATES OR LEGENDS OF HUTTO.

>> MY QUESTION IS AS THE DEVELOPER BEEN REIMBURSED FULLY

BY THE PIT BOND? >> WE CAN CHECK THAT TO SEE.

DON'T HAVE A THIRD PHASE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO?

>> HOW CAN WE HOLD THAT I GUESS HOLD THAT FROM THEM BECAUSE YOU KNOW, TO IMPROVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT?

>> ALONG WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WE DON'T HAVE ANY IN THE CITY

OF HUTTO . >> IF THEY HAVE NOT BEEN REIMBURSED FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY PUT INTO IT, DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO WITHHOLD THAT UNTIL

THIS GETS ADDRESSED? >> WE WILL FIND OUT.

>> THE PIT IS WITH THE PARTNERS AND THE PROBLEM IS NOT WITH MA PARTNERS THE PROBLEM IS WITH MERITAGE SO I DON'T KNOW WE CAN STOP THEM FROM GETTING MONEY BECAUSE OF SOMETHING MERITAGE IS

DOING. >> WOULD MA PARTNERS BE

FRUSTRATED WITH MERITAGE? >> THIS IS WHAT FIVE RESIDENCES?

FIVE. YEAH. >> COUNTING THE ONES THAT RUN

EAST AND WEST, TOO? >> CAN WE LEVERAGE MA PARTNERS

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TO PUT PRESSURE ON MERITAGE? >> CITY MANAGER HAS A GREAT RELATIONSHIP BUILT UP WITH THEM .

>> THEY ARE DONE BUILDING . >> ARE THEY DONE BUILDING THE

WHOLE DEVELOPMENT? >> MA OR MERITAGE? I DON'T THINK THEY'RE BUILDING ANYMORE HOMES IN THERE.

>> IF MA WAS DOING WE HAVE DONE BEFORE LAND EAST OF 1660 DON'T ASK FOR A SINGLE THING OUT OF US, THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO EXACTLY IS THE PROBLEM AND IF IT IS MERITAGE HOW TO GET THEM TO DO WHAT WE THINK IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO SINCE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO DELINEATED THE PLAN FROM THE DRAINAGE. SHORT OF THAT IF YOU START MESSING WITH THIS AND TAKE IT ON THAT I GUESS THAT'S A RISK WE HAVE TO TAKE. WE GO THEY GIVE US MONEY WE BUILD IT NOW WE HAVE TO REBUILD OR FIX IT SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. AT WHAT POINT DOES LIABILITY START AND WHEN DOES A END?

>> WHEN YOU ALTER THE FLOODWAY AND CAUSE FLOODING AFTER THE ALTERATION THAT'S WHERE THE LIABILITY IS.

>> DO WE HAVE TO GO DETAIL AND FIGURE OUT EVERYTHING THAT'S WRONG WITH EVERYBODY'S HOUSE SO THEY SAID IS BECAUSE OF WORK WE DID WE CAN SEE THIS WAS ALREADY CRACKED, YOU HAVE SETTLING.

>> IT IS A HYPOTHETICAL AND IT'S HARD TO ADDRESS BUT IF YOU MADE THEM OF THE FENCES AND THE CITY OWNED THE DRAINAGE AREA, THAT WOULD BE A BETTER SOLUTION. DO YOU THINK THAT?

>> I'M AND I CAN'T SAY IS BETTER FOR THE CITY TO OWN VERSUS HOA BUT HAVING THEM OF THE FENCE MAKE SENSE. SOMEBODY WANT TO GO MAINTAIN AND MOVING THE FENCES MAKES EVERYBODY'S LIFE EASIER AND THEN YOU CAN DISCUSS THE BEST SOLUTION , THE PROPER SOLUTION IN A OPEN EASEMENT RATHER THAN AN EASEMENT FENCED IN WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE IT OR GET TO IT. THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON WHY I HAD PICTURES IN HERE. THIS IS WHERE THE MAIN LINE IS, THERE IS NO GATE. IF YOU WANT TO FIX THE LINE YOU ARE MOVING THE FENCES. THAT'S TRUE FOR MOST OF THE HOUSES. THERE IS NO GATE TO GET TO WHERE YOU ARE TRYING TO GO.

>> HOW MUCH? ARE THE IS GOING TO GIVE UP? 10 FEET?

>> I BELIEVE THIS ENTIRE THING WAS PUTTING A 10 FOOT EASEMENT SO THAT MEANS THEY WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY SHIFT THE FENCE FROM THE BACKSIDE OF THE EASEMENT TO THE FRONT SIDE SO THEY ARE GIVING UP AT LEAST 10 FEET OF THEIR YARD, BUT TOOK COUNCILMEMBER CLARK'S POINT ON THE CORNER LOT THAT HAS ALL THE TREES THEY WILL POTENTIALLY OF THE MOVE TREES TO FACILITATE THE NEW FENCE LOCATION WHICH MEANS NOW THEY ARE GIVING UP EVEN MORE SPACE BECAUSE OF ALL THE TREES. SO IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT

FOR EVERY HOME. >> IS 10 FEET ENOUGH?

>> THE EASEMENT IS 10 FEET SO WOULD WANT TO BE MAYBE 12. IS

THERE A BUFFER AREA? >> IF THE CITY IS DOING IT WE DO NEVER HAVE EASEMENT THAT IS THAT SMALL, ALL OF OUR EASEMENTS ARE AT LEAST 15 FEET WIDE BUT THAT'S BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO TO WORK ON SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO HAVE ROOM TO GET EQUIPMENT AND PEOPLE BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU ARE ON SOMEBODY'S PRIVATE PROPERTY TRYING TO WORK ON PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. WE MAKE THEM WIDER AND THIS DOES NOT APPLY BUT GOING DEEPER. OUR MINIMUM ANYWHERE IN THE CITY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IS 15 FEET.

>> YOU CANNOT GO BEHIND IT . >> THAT'S WHY I AM SAYING MY RECOMMENDATION REGARDLESS OF IF WE KEEP OR HOA, HOWEVER YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD. SOMEBODY WANT TO TALK TO THE HOMEOWNERS AND SAY WE WILL FIGURE THIS OUT ON HOW TO PROPERLY DRAIN THIS BUT YOU HAVE TO MOVE FENCES BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT IS A NIGHTMARE FOR THEM TO MAINTAIN AND A NIGHTMARE FOR US TO TRY TO MAINTAIN AND WE ARE CONSTANTLY DEALING WITH HOMEOWNERS WHO DON'T WANT US IN THEIR YARD, ALL THE ISSUES COME UP. MY RECOMMENDATION IS WHOEVER KEEPS IT OR TAKES IT GET THEM TO MOVE

THE FENCES. >> IS THAT EVEN A POSSIBILITY.

>> YOU HAVE TO TALK TO THE HOMEOWNERS. YES

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>> WELL, THE FIRST STEP IS IN TALKING TO MERTAJ, CHICKEN-AND- CONVERSATION. BECAUSE IF IT STAYS PRIVATE, LIKE WE CAN'T DICTATE TO THEM HOW THEY DESIGN THEIR PRIVATE INFRASTRUCTURE. WE ASK JUST LOOK AT THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS AND SAY EITHER THIS IS DESIGNED PROPERLY, PER THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS OR IT'S

NOT. >> HOW ABOUT YOU TELL THEM THAT TECHNICALLY, IT WON'T WORK. BECAUSE THEY'RE -- THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT IMPROVEMENTS AND A 10-FOOT EASEMENT. AND THEIR OWN EASEMENT SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE IMPROVEMENTS THAT EASE THE WATERFLOW. SEEMS TO ME, YOU SAY, HAVE TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT, GUYS. BECAUSE THE OWN EASEMENT. MERITAGE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DO GO BACK AND TALK TO THESE LAND OWNERS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY GOTTA DO WITH THIS FENCE. YOU TELL THEM THAT THEY CAN'T

HAVE A FENCE EASEMENT IN THERE? >> TECHNICALLY, I COULD RELY ON THE EASEMENT. IF IT SAYS NO OBSTRUCTION ALLOWED IN THE EASEMENT. BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING I COULD STAND ON.

SHOWING THE SIZE OF THE PIPE. SO THAT. ASSUMING THEY DO THEIR OWN DESIGN, WHICH I ASSUME THEY WILL. I WON'T HAVE A TECHNICAL LEG TO STAND ON. BUT GOING TO THE EASEMENT AND YOU GOT THE HOMEOWNERS TO DESIGNATE. YOU DON'T HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION.

BECAUSE OF THE EASEMENT LANGUAGE.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHEN THESE HOMES WERE BOUGHT AND SOLD. IT WAS AN EASEMENT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY OWNED THE LAND, AND IT WAS PLATTED LATER. OR IF SOMEONE OWNED A LOT AND THEY DID IT. WHETHER THAT WOULD BE AN IMPROPER EASEMENT. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THESE HOMES WERE PUT THERE. BUT IN 2022 -- I THINK CARA SAID SHE WAS IN THERE. IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

>> TO ME. I KNOW YOU CAN'T PLAY TOO HARD BALL WITH THEM. BECAUSE THEY JUST GET UP AND LEAVE. BUT I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH HOME BUILDING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN HUTTO THAT --

>> YEAH. I MEAN, SO -- WE ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE, WHAT? WE GOT THREE THINGS WE LIKE TO DO IN HUTTO.

THEY DON'T MIND THE FIRST TWO. >> AND JUST TO SAY WHAT I'VE DONE WITH ANOTHER CITY AND BUILDERS, AND HAVE HAVING PROBLEMS. THEY HAVE CONTRACTOR REGISTRATION. AND THEN IF SOMEBODY CAUSES PROBLEMS LIKE THIS, THEY DON'T GET TO BUILD ANYMORE. I MEAN, IT'S A PROCESS. BUT YOU COULD CONSIDER THAT.

>> HIT THE PERSON GREATER DELAY. AND JUST START HITTING PEOPLE UNTIL SOMEONE --

>> NO. IT WOULD BE FOR FUTURE. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE HOME BUILDER DIDN'T -- DIDN'T CORRECT THE SITUATION. THEN THEY CAN PULL NEW BUILDING PERMITS AND NEWER DEVELOPMENTS. THAT'S HOW THE

ORDINANCE WORKS. >> THAT'S YOUR GUYS' CALL. NOT MINE.

>> DOESN'T SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. >> IF YOU GET IT OUT THERE, THEN THAT AT LEAST GETS THE POSSIBILITY. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THE DRAINAGE WOULD FAIL, IF IT'S NOT BEING WITH

THEIR LAWN AND GRASS CLIPPINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. >> WELL, I MEAN -- AND I'M NOT TRYING TO DISAGREE WITH YOU. BUT YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE YARD CLIPPINGS AND ALL THAT STUFF GET IN THERE. BUT MY POINT OF SAYING, DON'T -- HAVE SOMEBODY MOVE THE FENCES.

BECAUSE IT MAKES IT EASIER TO KNOW WHERE TO GET IN THERE TO MAINTAIN IT? MAKES IT EASIER.

ASK IT REMOVES THE POTENTIAL FOR THE HOMEOWNER TO COME IN AND SAY, CITY, YOU JUST DAMAGED MY

FENCE, AND NOW YOU GOTTA REPLACE MY FENCE. >> OR HOA. IF AN HOA DOES IT.

>> YEAH. >> AND IF WE NEED A BIGGER EASEMENT. I DIDN'T SEE ANY FM 1660 HOMEOWNERS HERE. IS IT ANY? BECAUSE -- BECAUSE WE COULD ASK -- I MEAN, THEY MAY BE WILLING TO GIVE UP A LITTLE BIT OF LAND, TOO, IF THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE RIGHT SOLUTION, AND THEIR HOUSES WILL NOT FLOOD ANYMORE. THEY MADE -- I MEAN, WE MAY NOT HAVE TO TAKE IT ALL FROM THE DURANGO FARMS HOMEOWNERS IS WHAT I'M SAYING. THEY MAY BE WILLING TO CONSENT A LITTLE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES FLOODING. THEIRS IS THE HOMES. IT'S NOT

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THE DURANGO FARMS THAT IS FLOODING. IT'S THAT WATER GOING OFF OF FM1660, AND TRYING TO RUN EAST WHEN IT SHOULD BE RUNNING WEST. ANYWAY -- WE COULD -- WE COULD TALK TO THEM, TOO.

>> SO WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO HERE? YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO GET GOING? OR DO WE NEED TO HAVE

ACTION? >> I DON'T KNOW -- I MEAN, THEY HAVEN'T OFFICIALLY SUBMITTED ANYTHING TO ME. I HAVEN'T REVIEWED THEIR PLANS. THIS WAS A COUNCIL-DIRECTED ITEM TO BE ON THE AGENDA. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIRECTION IS, FOR ME TO KNOW WHAT DIRECTION TO GO.

>> AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, MERITAGE HAS SUBMITTED THE PROPOSAL. THEY'VE SENT IT TO THE CITY AS KIND OF A -- HERE'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING. IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL SUBMISSION OF, "WE NEED YOUR APPROVAL," RIGHT? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. THEY'VE SENT IT -- SO THE FM1660 FOLKS HAVE HIRED THEIR OWN ENGINEER. THEY WANTED A SEPARATE SET OF EYES. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO JUST TRUST WHAT MERITAGE SAID. SO THAT'S IN REVIEW WITH HIM, IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

>> OKAY. >> SO YEAH. I MEAN, TO ME, I THINK WE AS A COUNCIL, NEED TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON AT LEAST WHAT WE DESIRE. MY DESIRE WOULD BE TO -- I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHO WE'D NEED TO TALK TO. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO PURSUE LOOKING AT TAKING OVER THE EASEMENT AS A CITY, POSSIBLY. AND FIGURING OUT HOW TO -- HOW TO MOVE FENCES. AND WHO DO WE -- WHO DO WE TALK TO? DO WE NEED TO GO THROUGH EACH HOMEOWNER? DO WE NEED TO DO THAT THROUGH MERITAGE AND HAVE MERITAGE TALK TO THEM? WE NEED TO TALK TO ALL OF THE HOMEOWNERS AFFECTED, AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT

IS GOING ON. >> YEAH, I -- I CAN'T GIVE YOU A GOOD ANSWER. BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE EASEMENT LANGUAGE IN FRONT OF ME, TO KNOW IF IT WAS THE MERITAGE EASEMENT WITH THE HOA, OR WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER. BECAUSE IF IT WAS JUST AN EASEMENT THAT WAS OWNED BY THE HOA, LIKE THE HOA GAVE THEM AN EASEMENT, THEN I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO GO TO EVERY HOMEOWNER TO HAVE THEM CONVEY TO YOU. YOU'VE GOT TO MOVE YOUR FENCE BECAUSE IT'S IN AN

EASEMENT. >> MERITAGE HOA. >> SO THE HOA NOW HAS THE

EASEMENT, CORRECT? OKAY. >> THEY BASICALLY TRANSFERRED -- MERITAGE --

>> JUST THIS LAST MONTH. >> SHE CAN COME UP HERE, TOO. >> SO THIS HAS HAPPENED TWICE NOW, FOR THE DESIGNS. ONCE IN SEPTEMBER 2021. I HAVE THE DOCUMENTS, I CAN SEND THEM TO YOU. I CAN SEND THEM TO YOU GUYS AS WELL, IF YOU DESIRE. BASICALLY, WHAT HAPPENED, IS MERITAGE DESIGNATED THE EASEMENT TO MA PARTNERS, BECAUSE THEY OWNED OUR HOA. THERE WERE NO HOMES BUILT THIS SEPTEMBER. DESIGNATED THE EASEMENT TO US. THEN THEY WENT BACK IN AUGUST OF 2022 THAT DID THE SAME THING. I HAVE THE DOCUMENTS THAT SHOW THAT THEY DID THIS. AND THEY BASICALLY PUT THE MAINTENANCE ON US. BUT WE HAVE THE SAME CONCERN THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. THIS IS

UNBELIEVABLE. HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO MANAGE THIS? >> SO M.A. GAVE IT TO MERITAGE?

>> OPPOSITE. >> MERITAGE GAVE IT TO THE HOA WHO WERE M.A. PARTNERS AT THE TIME. WE DID NOT HAVE ANY AWARENESS OF THIS. I DIDN'T SIGN ANY EASEMENT DOCUMENTS IN

MY CLOSING. I LOOKED. >> THE GRANT GIVING AWAY IS MERITAGE, TEXAS. BUT TO CARA'S POINT, IT WAS GIVEN TO THE HOA. ABOUT YOU TO CARA'S POINT, IT WAS COMPLETELY MANAGED BY M.A.

PARTNERS. >> M.A. PARTNERS. >> THERE WEREN'T ANY RESIDENT

BOARD MEMBERS -- >> CORRECT. >> THERE'S TWO OF THEM. THIS ONE IS AUGUST 17 OF 2022. AND THIS ONE -- LET ME SCROLL UP. SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2021.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THOSE ARE THE TWO DOCUMENTS THAT MERITAGE PROVIDED

YESTERDAY. >> AND THEY SOLD HOUSES OVER THERE IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022.

>> I AM NOT AWARE OF WHEN THOSE HOUSES WERE SOLD. BUT I KNOW THAT THE FRENCH DRAINAGE PROJECT HAPPENED IN 2022. AND IT FAILED. I WOULD WALK BY THERE. AND IT WAS A MESS. IT WAS BROKEN. AND WE DO KNOW WHO THE DEVELOPER, WHO WAS CONTRACTED OUT TO DO IT. SO WE CAN GIVE YOU ALL THAT INFORMATION, IF THOSE ARE PEOPLE THAT SHOULD NOT BE WORKING IN THE CITY OF HUTTO NOW, BECAUSE

IT'S FAILED NOW. >> SO HAVE THE RESIDENTS HERE, IN THIS AREA, HAVE THEY COMMUNICATED WITH Y'ALL, LIKE SOME ISSUES AND CONCERNS THEY HAVE WITH THAT FRENCH DRAIN THAT

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HAS BEEN PUT THIS. >> WE HAVE HEARD SOME OF THE CONCERNS. BUT A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN VOICED IN PRIOR CONVERSATIONS THAT WE WEREN'T PRIVY OF, UNTIL WE FOUND OUT THAT WE WERE OWNING THIS EASEMENT. WE DIDN'T FIND OUT THAT WE EVEN OWNED THIS EASEMENT, UNTIL JANUARY. THAT'S THE FIRST TIME WE WERE EVER INVOLVED IN THE CONVERSATION. IT WAS KIND OF SURPRISE, YOU OWN AN EASEMENT. AND YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT. AND I LITERALLY LAUGHED, BECAUSE HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO MAINTAIN HOMEOWNERS' BACKYARDS.

>> ARE THOSE HOMEOWNERS AWARE? >> THEY SHOULD BE AWARE. BUT HONESTLY, I'M NOT SURE. WE WOULD HAVE TO REACH OUT TO THOSE HOMEOWNERS TO DISCUSS. BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A ROUND TABLE DISCUSSION WITH THOSE HOMEOWNERS SPECIFICALLY. WE WANTED TO COME HERE FIRST TO DISCUSS TAKING OVER THE EASEMENT, BECAUSE ALSO, I WANT TO POINT OUT, THIS HAS FURTHER DOWNSTREAM DRAINAGE EFFECTS. SO Y'ALL ARE ASKING US TO MAINTAIN SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE POTENTIAL DOWNSTREAM EFFECTSES. NOT JUST THE 1660 HOMEOWNERS, THIS COULD HAVE IMPACT ON OTHER PARTS. I UNDERSTAND YOU THINK, THE CITY OF HUTTO. HOW ARE WE GOING TO TAKE THIS ON? AS HOMEOWNERS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FILE BANKRUPT.

>> WHAT IS THE COST OF -- OF THE MAINTENANCE? MERITAGE -- >> THEY HAVE NOT PROVIDED US WITH THAT INFORMATION. WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THAT SINCE JANUARY. AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING BIDS ON THE PROJECT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

>> SO MERITAGE PUT IN THE FIRST ONE, THIS DRAIN, LIKE, I GUESS ? >> AND A SECOND.

>> I GUESS TWO YEARS AGO? TIMELINE? >> I CAN GO LOOK UP TO FIND THE EXACT TIMELINE. BUT I KNOW THEY STARTED THE WORK IN 2022. AND IT'S BEEN ONGOING SINCE, OFF

AND ON, PERIODICALLY. >> SO THEY ARE PAYING FOR IT, AND NOW THEY'RE SEEKING TO DO A

REDESIGN. >> THEY ARE PLANNING TO PAY FOR IT AGAIN. BUT SAID THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF IT. AND THAT'S WHERE OUR CONCERN IS. IS BECAUSE HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO MAINTAIN SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN PRIVATE HOMEOWNER BACKYARDS.

>> YEAH. >> AND ALSO, WE'RE GOING TO RUN THE RISK OF GETTING SUED. AND ALSO, WHAT IF IT FAILS AGAIN? ARE WE JUST TOO BAD, SO SAD? YOU HAVE TO GET A WHOLE OTHER ENGINEER AND DESIGN ANOTHER DRAINAGE EASEMENT? WE HAVE ALREADY TOLD THEM -- THE FM 1660 HOMEOWNERS HAVE TOLD THEM, THIS WILL NOT SOLVE THAT. WE HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES. THIS DOES NOT

SURPRISE ME ONE BIT THAT WE HAVE THIS PROBLEM. >> I DON'T KNOW IF, MATT, YOU CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION. AS FAR AS MAINTAINING IT. WHAT WOULD IT BE FOR LIKE THE CITY TO MAINTAIN

IT? >> AS FAR AS COSTS? >> YEAH. COSTS JUST, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN. MAYBE THEY HAVE TO GO OUT THERE MONTHLY.

>> UM -- >> TO CLEAN IT OUT. >> YEAH. THIS MIGHT BE RICK'S FORTE. I KNOW IT'S KIND OF AN UNKNOWN. BUT I GUESS YOUR BEST --

>> YEAH, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DESIGN WOULD BE. >> HAVE AT IT.

>> WE'RE NOT A PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. WE KIND OF TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

AND FIRST OF ALL, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE REGULAR ROUTINE INSPECTIONS.

>> UH-HUH. >> AND SO THOSE, AT MINIMUM, WOULD BE A MONTHLY OCCURRENCE, GAINING ACCESS. THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGER CHALLENGES, AS MENTIONED. AND NOT ONLY THAT, THE -- AT MINIMUM, ALSO MEET ANY OF THE MS-4 REQUIREMENTS, TO HAVE AT LEAST A -- AN ANNUAL INSPECTION, OR ANNUAL MAINTENANCE. AND THAT COULD BE ANYTHING FROM REMOVING GRAVEL TO REPACKING, YOU KNOW -- IT'S HARD TO TELL, WITHOUT HAVING TO INSPECT IT FIRST. AND WHAT FREQUENCY THAT IS. BUT YOU CAN -- THAT WILL RANGE FROM A COUPLE THOUSAND TO TENS OF THOUSANDS, JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE OF CORRECTIVE ACTION THAT YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING AT.

>> OKAY. >> SO THAT'S THE BEST THAT WE COULD COME UP AT THIS POINT, FOR

THAT LINEAR FOOTAGE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> UH-HUH.

>> DEFINITELY A CHALLENGE. >> AND THOSE HOMEOWNERS ARE AWARE THAT THERE'S AN EASEMENT

BACK THERE. >> OKAY. >> SO THEY HAD TO GRANT MERITAGE TO GO IN AND MEASURE ? FOR THE DRAIN. FOR THE DESIGN AND ALL OF THAT. SO THEY'RE -- THEY'RE AWARE THAT THAT'S BACK THERE. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE FULL RAMIFICATIONS OF WHAT MEANS. BUT THEY KNOW MERITAGE HAS BEEN BACK THERE PUTTING IN DRAINS FOR TWO

YEARS. >> THEY DON'T THINK THEY HAVE THE HOA WALKING INTO THEIR

BACKYARD EVERY MONTH. >> RIGHT. >> THAT'S JUST -- AND THE CITY, WE COULDN'T DO THAT EITHER. I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE. AND WHAT WOULD THAT DO FOR YOUR HOME VALUE. THERE'S ALSO THIS AGREEMENT, WHERE YOU HAVE TO LET RANDOM PEOPLE COME IN YOUR YARD

EVERY MONTH. AND JUST, YOU KNOW -- SO I THINK -- >> BONUS SERVICE.

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>> TRY TO AT LEAST GET THEM THEIR DESIGN. UNLESS YOU HAVE THE FENCES MADE. AND IF THAT

MEANS THEY HAVE TO GO BUY AND PAY TO MOVE THOSE FENCES. >> OKAY.

>> YEAH. GOTTA START THERE. >> IS THAT A MOTION? OR ARE YOU JUST SAYING THAT?

>> NO, THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION, IS THAT WE DIRECT WHEN THE DESIGN COMES TO THE CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, THAT WE TRY TO HOLD THE EASEMENT REQUIREMENT ABOUT THE FENCING, SO AT LEAST WHOEVER IN A FINAL SOLUTION COMES OUT, AT LEAST, YOU'VE GOT THE FENCES OUT OF

THE AREA. SO WHOEVER IS THERE HAS DIRECT ACCESS. >> CAN YOU -- CAN YOU RESTATE

THAT MOTION ONE MORE TIME? >> THAT WHEN THE ENGINEERING DESIGN COMES FORWARD WITH CITY -- TO THE CITY ENGINEERING SERVICES DEPARTMENT, FOR APPROVAL, THAT THEY LEVERAGE THE EASEMENT REQUIREMENT SO THAT THE FENCES HAVE TO BE MOVED TO APPROVE THE DESIGN. OR TO ACCEPT

THE DESIGN, NOT APPROVE. EXCUSE ME. >> WE ASK THAT WE GO THE

MERITAGE ROUTE OF ASKING THEM? >> IT'S STILL LIKE PRIVATE PROPERTY.

>> HOLD ON. WE CAN'T DEBATE THIS UNTIL WE GET A SECOND. HAVE A SECOND.

>> I'LL SECOND IT, JUST TO ASK THE -- THE QUESTION. CAN WE GO THE CITY MANAGER'S ROUTE AND ASK THEM TO CUT US A CHECK FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE?

>> I DON'T KNOW. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE THE DESIGN WE WOULD DO. AND THEN YOU IMMEDIATELY TAKE IN ALL THE LIABILITY. AND FOR THE REST OF THE CITIZENS OF HUTTO, THAT'S NOT RIGHT. I THINK WE HAVE TO GET A SOLUTION. BECAUSE HE ALREADY SAID, THAT WOULDN'T BE THE SOLUTION. WEED NEED A 15-FOOT EASEMENT, IF WE DID IT AS A CITY-OWNED THING. AND WE WOULDN'T DO THIS FRENCH DRAIN. WE WOULD DO A CULVERT. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE SYSTEM, YOU CUT US A CHECK DIFFERENT. WE DON'T KNOW IF THE LAND, THE FENCES HAVE BEEN MOVED, THE LAND, THE HOMEOWNERS AGREE. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE TIE THE REST OF THE CITY IN AND THE LIABILITY A LAWSUIT, FOR ALL OF THESE OTHER ADDITIONAL HOMES. WE ALSO HAVE TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF HUTTO FROM A PRIVATE DEVELOPER. AND THE FIRST THING IS TO GET THE FENCES MOVED. THEN AT SOME POINT, MAYBE WE COULD TAKE IT OVER. THEN THE HOA WOULD THEN BE DONATING LAND TO THE CITY. IT'S NOT OWNED BY ALL OF THESE -- IT DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS FROM ALL OF THESE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS.

>> WHAT I HEAR IN YOUR MOTION IS, WE'RE SEPARATING FENCE-MOVING DESIGN FROM

MAINTENANCE? >> RIGHT. >> AND RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST FOCUSING ON DESIGN. STEP ONE, DESIGN. AND WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND FIGURE

OUT WHO IS GOING TO MAINTAIN IT. IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND THIS IS. >> YEAH.

>> SO IF I COULD CLARIFY THE MOTION. I WASN'T QUITE FOLLOWING THE MOTIONS. SO ARE WE -- HOW I WOULD HAVE WORDED THE MOTION, IS DIRECT STAFF TO WORK WITH MERITAGE TO REDESIGN THE DRAIN TO BE SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH, AND TO MOVE THE FENCES OUTSIDE OF THE EASEMENT AREA. IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE GETTING AT? THAT REALLY WHAT YOU WERE -- YEAH. BECAUSE

I'D LIKE STAFF TO GO BACK TO MERITAGE. >> BUT THE PROBLEM IS, HE SAID THAT WE COULDN'T -- HE COULDN'T ENFORCE THE TECHNICAL. IT WOULD WORK. ALL HE COULD DO IS STAND ON THE EASEMENT PART. THAT'S WHY I ONLY TIED IT TO THE EASEMENT. HE ALREADY SAID, THIS WOULDN'T BE A DESIGN I WOULD DO. SO HOW COME HE DIDN'T SAY, IT HAS TO BE A DESIGN HE WOULD BE OKAY WITH? HE ALREADY SAID. IT'S NOT 15 FEET WITHIN THE CITY. HE WOULD DO A FRENCH DESIGN, WE WOULD DO A CULVERT. NOT SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOOK AT THEIR DESIGN AT ALL --

>> BUT IF THEY'RE WATCHING THIS, I THINK THEY HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR.

>> I COULD AT SOME POINT -- >> I THINK THEY HEARD FROM CARA, AND RACHAEL RAY THEY DIDN'T LIKE

WHAT WAS GOING ON. >> AND THE THIRD PARTY ENGINEER THAT THE FOLKS HIRED, IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S NOT TOO KEEN ON THE DESIGN EITHER. AND HE HAS TO SIGN OFF ON IT, THE WAY I

UNDERSTAND IT. HE HAS TO SIGN OFF -- >> PART OF OUR ENGINEERING CODE IS THAT WE HAVE TO REPRESENT -- NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE TO REPRESENT PUBLIC SAFETY. RIGHT? BUT THEN WE HAVE TO INTRODUCE THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR CLIENT, AS A PUBLIC FACTOR.

>> YOU'RE JUST SAYING, WAIT UNTIL THEY GIVE THE PROPOSAL TO JUST SAY, NO, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. AND THEN USE WHATEVER METHOD THAT IS LEGALLY AT OUR DISPOSAL, TO DENY IT. AND THEN WORK HERE. I WORRY, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE TIME. I -- SO THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. BUT I GUESS I

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DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. >> LET ME MAKE SURE. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, WHEN YOU BRING THE DESIGN IN, THE CITY ENERGY IS GOING TO WORK A SOLUTION THAT WORKED WITH THEIR EASEMENT,

WHICH RIGHT NOW, THEY CAN'T HAVE IMPROVEMENTS IN EASEMENT. >> RIGHT.

>> AND THEN PART OF THAT IS BRINGING THE FENCE UP, 10 FEET TO THE OTHER SIDE. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WHEN THAT ALL GETS FIGURED OUT, AND THERE'S A DESIGN -- A DESIGN THAT WORKS IN THOSE PARAMETERS, WHICH IS -- TECHNICALLY HAS TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE OF EASEMENT. THEN YOU'RE SAYING, WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND FIGURE OUT WHO IS MAINTAINING IT --

>> CORRECT. >> BUT WHAT I DIDN'T HEAR IN THAT MOTION WAS A REQUEST TO REDESIGN IT. BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO -- WHAT -- WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS DO THE CURRENT DESIGN THAT THEY'RE DOING AND JUST MOVE THE FENCES OUTSIDE OF THE AREA. THAT'S ALL THEY'RE

GOING TO DO. >> YOU'RE ASKING FOR SPECIFICITY.

>> WHAT I HEARD -- >> WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS HAVE THIS DESIGN GO IN AND HAVE

IT FAIL AGAIN. >> BUT YOU JUST SAID THAT THEY, THE HOA HAS HIRED THEIR OWN

ENGINEERS. >> THE 1660S. >> SO IF -- IF THAT GROUP COMES IN AND SAYS, THIS ISN'T GOING TO WORK, TOO. THEN THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE INPUT. SO LET IT BE FROM THE TWO PRIVATE PARTIES OTHER FIGURE OUT THEIR SOLUTION ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT DRAINAGE THING. AND PART -- AND OUR LEVERAGE, THE ONLY LEVERAGE WE HAVE, AS A CITY, IS TO SAY, HEY, LOOK. IT'S NOT CONFORMING TO, HEY, YOU STILL HAVE GOT A FENCE IN THE EASEMENT. AND 1660 PEOPLE MAY SAY, THERE'S NO DRAIN IN IT. MAYBE IT TURNS INTO A CULVERT, WHICH IS NOT A FRENCH DRAIN. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL DESIGN IS. WE SHOULDN'T HAMSTRING THAT, BECAUSE IT'S US TAKING A LIABILITY ON IT, AND WE CAN'T. IT'S TWO PRIVATE ENTITIES. WHAT WE CAN SAY IS THE FENCE NEEDS TO BE MOVED. MAYBE AT THAT POINT, THEY COME UP WITH A DESIGN. AND YOU SAY, IT ONLY COSTS X AMOUNT MORE TO MAKE IT BETTER. AND YOU NOZ THAT WE HAVE THE FENCES MOVE, YOU HAVE THEM CUT US A CHECK. AND YOU DO A DIFFERENT DESIGN. RIGHT? THAT'S AN SOPPINGS. I THINK YOU LET THE PARTIES DO WHATEVER. BUT WE USE THE ONE LEVERAGE WE HAVE, IT HAS TO BE CONFORMED, HAS TO BE

DESIGNED WITHIN THE EASEMENT. >> OKAY. >> EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT WE'RE

DOING HERE? YOU GOT ANYTHING TO ADD TO THIS? >> JUST CHECKING. ALL RIGHT.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. >> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER PROTEM GORDON.

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. >> AYE.

>> MAYOR SYNDER. >> AYE. MOTION PASSES 6-0. >> I'D LIKE TO CALL UP ITEM

[10.4. Conduct a public hearing and possible action on Ordinance No. 0-2025-019 for a proposed Specific Use Permit for the Hutto Independent School District at 301 Destiny Lane (Hutto High School #2), 76.135 acres, more or less, of land, to amend the development codes for the following 10.403.4.2: Bulk, Setbacks and Buffers, 10.404.5.1 Sidewalks, 10.405.9.1 Parking, 10.405.9.4-5 Motorcycle and Bicycle Parking, 10.406.6.2-10.406.6.7: Architectural Style and Materials, 10.407.5.1.2: Landscape, and 10.407.5.2: Parking Lot and Vehicular Screening. (Ashley Bailey) ]

10-4. >> HEARING NONE, ITEM 10-4. ON 0-2025, FOR A PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE FOR HUTTO, AT 301 DESTINY LANE. HUTTO HIGH SCHOOL NUMBER 2. 7.635 ACRES. TO AMEND THE SIDEWALK. SIDEWALKS AND DEVELOPMENT CODES FOR THE FOLLOWING. 10.04-02. SETBACKS.

SIDEWALKS, 10.405.9.1. PARKING, 10.405 THROUGH 5 . MOIRK AND BIKE PARKING. ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND MATERIALS. 10.07. LANDSCAPE. PARKING LOT, VEHICULAR SCREENING. OH, I'VE BEEN READING. IT'S THE NUMBER AT THE END OF THE DESCRIPT. NOT THE DESCRIPTION AND THE NUMBER.

>> UH-HUH. >> WE NEED TO REVISE OUR UDC CODE.

>> TRYING. FOR THE RECORD, ASHLEY BAILEY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. THE ITEM UP TONIGHT IS A SPECIFIC REQUEST FOR HUTTO ISD. I CAN CERTAINLY GO INTO THE MODIFICATION LIST IF YOU WANT.

BUT I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A REFERENCE IF I CAN GET HERE TO THE MAPS. HERE YOU GO.

THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD ONE. YOU'LL SEE THAT. >> MAIN HIPPO. IT HAS THE TRANSPORTATION CENTER. AND OF COURSE, ROOM TO EXPAND. AROUND IT IS ESSENTIALLY ON THE NORTH.

AND LET'S SEE. ON WEST SIDE, IS ETJ, THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT IN THE E TJ OR COUNTY TO THE SOUTH

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AND MAIN HIPPO. THERE'S ALSO AN IN-CITY NEIGHBORHOOD CALLED MUSTANG CREEK. SO WITH THAT, I WILL GO BACK INTO THE MODIFICATIONS. THESE ARE VERY SIMILAR TO HIGH SCHOOL ONE, WHICH IS ON THE REDEVELOPMENT YOU SEE THERE. WITH THIS ONE, THE FIRST IS GOING TO BE THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT. BECAUSE THIS IS STILL ZONE SINGLE FAMILY 2, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT ODD.

BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC SECTION FOR SCHOOLS, THEY JUST NEED TO EXCEED THE HEIGHT, WHICH WE ARE ON BOARD WITH. YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING, THE PACKET, INCLUDING PICTURES OF THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS. UM, THIS IS TRULY JUST BECAUSE THIS IS SOME OF THE SITE CONSTRAINTS. IT ALREADY MATCHES IN WITH THE CENTER THAT IS ALREADY THERE.

AND IT ATTACHES TO THAT EXISTING THREE-STORY BUILDING. SO STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, AND YOU DO SEE THAT IN YOUR REFERENCES OF YOUR EXHIBITS THAT ARE IN THE PACKET. THESE SIDEWALKS IS THE SECOND MODIFICATION. THERE IS AN EXHIBIT IN YOUR PACKET. AND I HAVE IT IN THIS PRESENTATION AS WELL. WHERE IT ACTUALLY GOES INTO -- WHERE THEY WANT THEIR INTERNAL SIDEWALKS. AND THERE IS A LIMITATION, THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING ON THE PERIMETER PUBLIC SIDEWALK, ON 1616 NORTH.

AND WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES ON THE ISD, AS WELL AS THENGINEER. I KNOW THAT CAME OUT A LITTLE BIT AT PNZ. BUT ESSENTIALLY, THEY WANT TO HAVE A LOT OF INTERNAL -- THERE YOU GO. OF THE ORANGE. THEY DO WANT A LOT OF THE INTERNAL SIDEWALKS. BUT THEY DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO DO THE TYPICAL PUBLIC SIDEWALK ALONG 1660 NORTH. THEY WANT TO BRING THAT PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC TO THE NORTH. YOU WOULD GET THAT MAIN SIDEWALK ON HIPPO. AND ADJOURN TO THE STORAGE TANKS.

>> TODAY, IF I REMEMBER, LAST WEEK, THEY WERE OPEN TO A REQUIREMENT. IF AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, AREA DEVELOPED, AND THEY WERE REQUIRED. IT NEEDED -- I DON'T KNOW THE WORD. BUT FACILITATED THE NEED FOR A SIDEWALK. THEY'RE OKAY TO HAVE THAT IN THERE. THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE IT'S DANGEROUS. --

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>> PUBLIC HEARING AT 10:30 P.M. ON JUNE 5TH. IF ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISHES TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE STEP FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT

10:30. >> UM, LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED, I REALLY LIKE HOW THOROUGH IT WAS. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE SPECIFICITY THAT WAS PROVIDED IN IT. AND ASHLEY, YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY ABOUT YOUR ISD, TO QUOTE YOU, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY NEED. SO I -- I APPRECIATE THEM GOING TO P&Z, HEARING THOSE CONCERNS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, P&Z APPROVED THIS, 4/2. AND SO, UM -- WITH THAT ALL SAID, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, ITEM 10.4 AS PRESENTED.

>> SECOND. >> MOTIONED BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON, SECONDED BY

COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT IN THE ORDAINING PART OF THE MOTION, WE DIDN'T PUT THE UPDATED CHARTER

REQUIREMENTS AND IF IF YOU WERE TO ADD THAT. >> THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THE LAST

SHEET. >> THE NEW REQUIREMENTS. >> I'D ALLOW THAT FOR FRIENDLY

AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. >> AND I DO HAVE A QUESTION, ASHLEY.

>> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE UDC EARLIER. IS THERE ANY WAY THE CITY CAN WORK WITH THE ISD IN CREATING SOME UDC SCHOOL SPECS FOR THE CITY. SO THAT IT'S JUST KIND OF -- I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, A FUTURE HIGH SCHOOL IS PROBABLY WAY IN THE FUTURE. BUT I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, THEY'RE PRETTY STANDARDIZED. NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH HOW MIDDLE SCHOOLS ARE. THE HIGH SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. JUST BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THE AGE AND HOW THEY'RE BEING BUILT OUT. THIS IS KIND OF A PHASED APPROACH. AND THEY'RE ALSO EXTENDING THE CURRENT HIGH SCHOOL -- IS THAT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT INTO THE UDC THAT CAN KIND OF COMBAT SOME OF THESE -- LIKE THE HEIGHT OF THE WALLS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO COME BACK.

THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL SAYING, HEY BECAUSE THIS IS A ZONED SINGLE FAMILY.

>> YEAH. >> SO NOW THEY'RE HAVING TO COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, WE DO NEED THE TALLER WALLS. WHICH IS -- IT'S LIKE A GIVEN, RIGHT? AND SO, BECAUSE OF THE ZONING OR -- YEAH. SO IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD MAKE THIS MORE STREAMLINED IN GETTING WITH THEM ON SCHOOL SAFETY THINGS, REGARDING THE TREES, REGARDING THE SIDEWALKS.

>> I DEFINITELY THINK THERE'S A THOUGHTFUL WAY TO DO THAT. THE ONLY THING I WOULD CAUTION IS JUST WITH THE CHANGES IN TECHNOLOGY AND THINGS, WE DON'T WANT TO JUST SHOE HORN THEM INTO WHAT THEIR SCHOOLS ARE NOW. WE JUST WANT TO GIVE FLEXIBILITY IN THE FUTURE. KEEP IN MIND, IF SOMETHING DOES CHANGE, AND THEY CAN'T FIX THAT PRESCRIPTIVE ABILITY. THEY WOULD HAVE COME COME BACK AND IN THE CODE, WHICH DOES TAKE PLANNING AND COUNCIL. AND THAT DOES DELAY THE PROGRESS AND THAT ILA. ALSO, IF YOU'RE SETTING SOMETHING UP FOR SCHOOL, IT WOULDN'T JUST BE FOR THE ISD, IT WOULD BE FOR ANY SCHOOL. SO IF THE CHARTER. AND PERHAPS THEY WOULDN'T BE AS GOOD OF A

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PARTNER AS HUTTO ISD. SO THAT'S THE ONLY PART I WOULD CAUTION. BUT I DEFINITELY THINK THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN ADD TO THE UDC, TO SAY THIS IS GOING TO BE A STANDARD. BUT JUST KEEP IN MIND,

IT WOULD THEN APPLY TO ALL SCHOOLS, NOT JUST THE ISD. >> THANK YOU.

>> THAT'S THE PART I WANT TO FIX. BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO GO, AN EDUCATIONAL FACILITY, PUBLICLY FUNDED, OVER WHATEVER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, 54,000 FEET, HERE'S YOUR THING.

AND OUTSIDE OF SIDEWALKS AND SOME LANDSCAPING. IF THEY WANT TO BUILD IT FIVE STORIES TALL, LET THEM BUILD IT FIVE STORIES. IF THEY WANT TO BUILD, WE MAY THINK IT'S GAUDY. WE HAVE TO GET TO ALL OF THIS. TO WHERE IT'S ILA. IF THEY HAVE AN ISSUE. I WANT TO TELL PARENTS, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE TREES THERE, TALK TO ISD. I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT. THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING TO DO THIS SUMMER. WHATEVER THE CONCERNS ARE, IF A CHARTER SCHOOL WANTS TO BUILD A 55,000 SQUARE FOOT PUBLIC BUILDING, AND GET IT PUBLICLY FUNDED, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT. BUT THIS, ADDED AMENDMENT. YOU HAVE TO HELP ME WITH THE WORD, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE FUTURE, WHEN THIS PLACE IS BUILT OUT IN 20, 25 YEARS, IF A SIDEWALK IS NEEDED ALONG 2060. I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW ON SOME DOCUMENT, THAT IT'S NOT US, LIKE RAIL ELEMENTARY. IT'S ON THE ISD TO DO THAT. RIGHT NOW, IT'S 30 MILES AN HOUR. AND IN 20 YEARS, 35 MILES AN HOUR. SO HOW DO I WORD TO WHERE I DON'T WANT TO REQUIRE IT TODAY? BUT I WANT IT IN THE FUTURE -- AND I DON'T WANT IT TO BE, WHEN STAFF SAYS IT'S WARRANTED. I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S MORE LIKE, THEY AGREE AT WHATEVER POINT THAT IT'S DEEMED NECESSARY, THEY AGREE TO BE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE. AND THAT WAY, IF PEOPLE HAVE A PUBLIC ISSUE, AND MY KIDS ARE HAVING TO WALK, AND THERE'S NO SIDEWALK, WE CAN REVERT BACK TO THEIR S.U.P., AND SAY, THEY AGREED TO DO IT LATER AS WARRANTED. YOU NEED TO GO TALK TO ISD. IS THAT A GOOD ENOUGH WAY TO SAY AN AMENDMENT THAT WILL ADD THE SIDEWALK AT A FUTURE DATE, WHEN AND IF IT'S

WARRANTED BY THEIR DETERMINATION? >> I MAY NEED YOUR HELP ON THAT ONE. TYPICALLY, OUR DATES ARE SPECIFIC. IF IT'S NOT DATE-BUILT, IT REVERTS. CAN WE

GET BACK TO THE ORDINANCE? >> I LOOK BACK TO NADINE JOHNSON. THERE'S NOT SIDEWALKS BUILT THERE. AND PEOPLE POINTING FINGERS SAYING, THAT'S YOU. AND I HAD SOME SAYING, YOU GUYS PUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE STREET. WHY SHOULD WE PUT A CROSSWALK IN AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING THERE? INDUSTRIAL BUILDING? I DON'T REALLY CARE, AS LONG AS WE, AS THE CITY CAN SAY, WHEN THERE'S COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEDESTRIANS AND OUR KIDS ARE WALKING THROUGH HIGH GRASS, WE CAN RELY BACK ON SOME DOCUMENT TO GO, THAT IS NOT A CITY DEAL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR IT. THAT IS AN ISD DEAL. THEY'RE THE ONES WHO KNOW THE EDUCATION SYSTEM BETTER AND HOW IT'S GOING TO SET UP. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ALWAYS BEING ASKED TO SUPPORT RAIL ELEMENTARY, COTTONWOOD, MS PATH AT NADINE. I WANT TO GET OUT OF THAT AND SAY,

THAT'S ISD, YOU GOTTA GO TALK TO THEM. >> I GOT A QUESTION ON THAT.

DOES THE LAND GOING -- DOES THE LAND GOING ON FM 1660, IS THERE ANY ZONED RESIDENTIAL THAT KIDS

WOULD BE WALKING THAT WAY? >> SO YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT ON THIS MAP, THERE IS THAT FIREFLY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE COUNTY, THAT THE CITY DOESN'T CONTROL. SO THERE IS THAT. SO THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL. IT'S -- SORRY.

>> BUT THE FIREFLY IS ON THE OTHER SIDE. >> CORRECT. IT'S ACROSS 1660.

>> LET ME SEE. >> NOT ON THAT NORTH BOUNDARY. >> A LITTLE POINTER. OH, THERE IT IS. OKAY. SO THERE'S RESIDENTIAL OVER HERE. MOST OF THIS IS ETJ. SO THAT'S WHERE I WOULD JUST BE HESITANT TO SAY THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY RESIDENTIAL. BECAUSE THERE IS NO ZONING BY STATE LAW IN THE COUNTY. S O IT COULD HAPPEN, RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF WHAT IS TO THE NORTH OF THAT, AND ALONG THE CURVE IS MORE ON A INDUSTRIAL NATURE. BUT SEEING HOW HOUSING PRICES IS GOING, IT COULD GO RESIDENTIAL. I DON'T KNOW HOW EXACTLY TO WORD SOMETHING. BUT I

UNDERSTAND THE SENTIMENT. >> IT'S WHAT JENNY SAID WAS ACCEPTABLE. I JUST DON'T KNOW

HOW TO PUT THAT IN. >> BUT IF IT'S NOT BEING ZONED RESIDENTIAL. I MEAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT A SCHOOL DISTRICT CAN ONLY BUILD SOMETHING THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE SCHOOL, THE STUDENTS, RIGHT? SO IF THAT'S NOT ZONED RESIDENTIAL, THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO BUILD A SIDEWALK. BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SUPPORT ING ANY --

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>> IT COULD JUST BE THAT THERE'S RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT OR CROSS CHANDLER. MOST OF CHRIS KELLY IS NOT ZONED RESIDENTIAL. BUT THERE'S ADJACENT TO CHRIS KELLY BECAUSE OF THE SIDEWALKS.

SO CONNECTIVITY STILL MATTERS TO GET AROUND DIFFERENT PLACES. >> RIGHT. BUT THAT CONNECTIVITY, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. BECAUSE THEY PROVIDED FOR THEIR

ESTABLISHMENT, CORRECT? >> THE ONLY REASON IT WOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE SCHOOL SITE BECAUSE THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS READ. THIS WAS PLATTED IN THE COUNTY. SO AS THEY WERE COMING TO US, U.P.S WERE CALLING FOR THE COUNTY. THEY DON'T REQUIRE SIDEWALKS.

AND THE CITY DOES, BECAUSE WE WANT TO EXPAND THAT CONNECTIVITY. THE THAT'S WHERE THE S.U.P. COMES IN, THEY WANT TO LIMIT THE SCOPES OF THE SIDEWALKS TO WHAT THEY SHOWED IN THEIR EXHIBIT. AND I BELIEVE TO MAYOR'S POINT, IF SIDEWALKS ARE WARRANTED IN THE FUTURE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY ENDS UP PAYING FOR AND INSTALLING. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE ISD WOULD ALSO PUT IN THEIR FAIR SHARE IF THE CONNECTIVITY IS NEEDED.

>> SO THEIR FAIR SHARE? THAT WOULD BE A JOINT EFFORT, NOT JUST ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? I MEAN, WE'VE GOT TO TAKE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AS WELL.

>> WELL, THEN, TYPICALLY, THE DEVELOPERS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PUT THIS SIDEWALKS. THAT WOO BE ON SINGLE FAMILY, COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, THEY'RE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING IN

SIDEWALKS. >> THEY WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF -- >> WHICH WOULD BE THE SCHOOL.

RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GIVING THEM A LITTLE BREAK BECAUSE WE'RE NOT HAVING THEM PUT THE FULL

BOUNDARY SIDEWALK, AT DEVELOPMENT. >> UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU.

>> SO -- >> I MEAN, IF THIS IS THEIR PROPERTY. THEY'RE ALREADY PUTTING THE PARALLEL ALONG 1660. THEY'RE ALREADY DOING THAT. SO IF IT'S THEIR PROPERTY. AND IF THEY THINK IT'S WARRANTED, OF COURSE, THEY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, RESPONSIBLE FOR INSTALLING THAT.

I FEEL LIKE IT -- THEY DOING IT ALREADY. >> THERE HAS BEEN A CASE.

>> THEY'VE MADE US PAY FOR IT. THAT HASN'T BEEN THE CASE? >> NO. THEY MADE US PUT IN AND PAY FOR THE CONCRETE. IMAGINE, THIS IS THE HIGH SCHOOL, RIGHT? IMAGINE ON THIS CURVE, NORTH OF

THAT IS RESIDENTIAL. >> MOTIONS -- >> GOING TO WAIT FOR --

>> IS IT GOING TO BE TRIGGERED WHEN THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS --

>> NO, IT'S TRIGGERED, LILY, TO WHENEVER THEY THINK IT'S WARRANTED, BASED ON PUBLIC

OUTCRY OR WHATEVER IT CAUSES -- >> WOULD IT BE A PETITION OF THE CITIZENS THAT ATTEND THE HIGH

SCHOOL? REQUESTING -- >> IT COULD JUST BE RESIDENTS. >> THEY COULD BE ETJ. BECAUSE

IT'S SCHOOL DISTRICT RIGHT THERE. >> YEAH.

>> NONE OF THESE PEOPLE COULD BE CITIZENS OF HUTTO. >> HERE'S WHAT I WANT. WHEN OUTCRY COMES AT RAIL ELEMENTARY, WHY ARE MY KIDS IN GRASS? I DON'T WANT TO BE CAUGHT UP IN, WHY ARE THERE NO SIDEWALKS. I WANT TO SAVE A FIGHT 20 YEARS FROM NOW, FOR IT TO BE LIKE, GOING FORWARD. LITERALLY, IF I COULD CODE MYSELF. YOU ALL PICK WHERE YOU WANT THE SIDEWALKS.

BUT WHEN YOUR PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING AND YOUR STUDENTS, PARENTS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT SIDEWALKS NOT BEING PUT IN. DON'T CALL CITY HALL. YOU GUYS PUT THEM IN. BECAUSE WE'RE LETTING YOU DESIGN YOUR OWN THING. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW KIDS ARE GOING TO WALK, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY BIKES THEY'RE GOING TO USE. I DON'T CARE ABOUT ALL OF THAT. I ALWAYS STICK TO THE RULES. BUT I'M SAYING, HOW DO WE LOOSEN IT UP AND WRITE IN THE CODE. THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT SIDEWALKS IN. I DON'T CARE. JUST AS LONG AS PEOPLE CAN SAY, I'LL WALK YOU

TO THE BOARD MEETING. LIGHT THEM UP. >> JUST TO FIGURE OUT THE COST

OF THE SIDEWALKS WOULD BE. HAVE IT PUT IN ESCROW. >> I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

>> NO? >> HOW ABOUT, IF IT IS NOT LEGAL, SOMEONE DOWN THE ROAD CAN SAY, IT'S NOT LEGAL. I'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION THAT IN THE FUTURE, IF A SIDEWALK IS WARRANTED ALONG 1660, THE ISD AGREES TO BE THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY.

>> WE CAN PUT THAT AS CONDITION OF APPROVAL. >> MAKE IT A CONDITION, WOULD YOU SAY, IS WARRANTED BY THE PETITION OF THE, UM -- PEOPLE THAT ATTEND -- OR THE --

>> DOES IT HAVE TO BE THAT? OR WHEN ISD DECIDES? >> YEAH. WHEN ISD DECIDES.

>> ISD PROVIDE THE SIDEWALKS WHEN THE SIDEWALKS ARE NECESSARY FOR THE --

>> OKAY. >> THEN I WILL ADD THAT TO THE ORDINANCE, WITH THAT.

>> THAT'S IF IT EVEN PASSES. OKAY. THAT'S MY MOTION. >> WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT.

>> OH, YEAH. AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. >> YEAH. I DON'T THINK THAT'S -- I DON'T THINK THAT'S FOR US TO DECIDE WHAT A COUNSEL SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T DO IN 20 YEARS.

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>> NO, IT'S GOING TO BE THE ISD. >> WE'VE GOT TO GET A SECOND.

>> SECOND. >> SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER. >> IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE COUNCIL DECIDING. IT'S GOING TO BE THE ISD. I'M SAYING, I DON'T THINK WE, AS A COUNCIL,

SHOULD BE MAKING THAT DECISION. NOW. >> THIS IS OUR

>> JUST OUT OF CLARIFICATION. WHAT DECISION DO YOU THINK WE'RE MAKING NOW?

>> TO REQUIRE THE ISD, IF IT SO HAPPENS THAT A SIDEWALK IS NEEDED, THEY WOULD BE

RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. >> WHY WOULDN'T THEY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR BUILDING A

SIDEWALK ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY? >> LET'S FLIP IT ON ITS HEAD. IF THE BUILDING IS SAYING, HEY.

WE DON'T NEED THIS AT THIS TIME? THEY'RE OPERATING WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION.

>> AND RIGHT NOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUILD A SIDEWALK. IT'S A 60-DEGREE HAIRPIN TURN. ALL I'M SAYING, ALL THE ARGUMENTS WE HAVE TODAY, 20 YEARS AGO, PEOPLE DIDN'T THINK WE WOULD NEEDLE THEM. SO I'M SAYING, WHEN YOU ALL FEEL THERE IS A NEED FOR A SIDEWALK. IT'S ON YOUR PROPERTY, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. YOU BUILD THAT.

>> YEAH. IT EMPOWERS THE ISD TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS FOR THEIR LAND.

>> AND IT MAKES US NOT MAKE THEM BASED ON -- >> YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE TO

DEMAND THINGS OF THEM. AND IT'S ON THEIR TERMS. >> AND I WOULD EVEN SAY, EVEN IF THEY DON'T WANT TO BUILD THEM ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HIPPO WAY. BECAUSE THEIR PEOPLE -- OR THEIR PARENTS ARE MORE VOCAL THAN OUR PEOPLE ARE. AND SO THEY'LL PUT SIDEWALKS IN, BASED ON, MY KID ALMOST GOT HIT OR WHATEVER THE ISSUE IS. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO, FOR TIME SAKE, IT'S OUT OF OUR HAND. AND YOU GUYS BUILD EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES IN LONG TERM. I ONLY WANT THE CODE TO BE ONE PAGE. PUT SOME TREES 45 FEET APART. AND THE REST OF IT, YOU FIGURE OUT, AND JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE OUT OF IT. AND WE'LL JUST MAKE SURE YOU FOLLOW THE IBC. AND THAT WAS KIND OF THE CONVERSATION I THINK I HAD SUMMED UP RIGHT WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT, WOULD YOU SAY, ASHLEY? I WOULD LIKE US TO JUST LONG TERM GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS OF -- AND NOT JUST A SCHOOL. PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING. BUT IF WE START WITH THE SCHOOL,

THAT WOULD BE A GOOD STEP. ANYWAY. >> ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE

VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD. >> AYE. >> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON.

>> AYE. >> MAYOR SYNDER. >> YAY.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. >> NAY. >> WHAT DID COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR

SAY. >> AYE. >> PASSES 5-1. ANY OVERRAUL

DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. CALL THE VOTE. >> MAYOR SYNDER.

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. >> YAY.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. >> MOTION PASSES, 6-0. NEED SOME

WATER ? >> I'VE BEEN DRINKING WATER THE WHOLE TIME.

[10.1. Conduct a public hearing and possible action on Ordinance No. 0-2025-018 amending the Planned Unit Development for Home Depot in the Hanson's Comer development at 600 US 79 (W), 12.99 acres, more or less, of land, located north of US 79 and east of Ed Schmidt Boulevard. (Ashley Bailey) ]

>> GOT ANOTHER MAN DOWN. >> RUNNING OUT OF PEOPLE. BETTER HURRY.

>> ALL RIGHT. NEXT YOU HAVE ITEM 10.1. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE HAVE BEEN 0-2025-018. AMENDING THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR HOME DEPOT AT HANSON'S CORNER DEVELOPMENT, AT 600 U.S. 79 WEST, 12.99 ACRES, MORE OR LESS, OF LAND, NORTH OF U.S. 79 AND

EAST OF ED SCHMIDT BOULEVARD. >> IT'S ME AGAIN. I'M SURE YOU'RE EXCITED. THIS IS A P.U.D. AMENDMENT. THE HOME DEPOT WAS PLANNED WITH THAT GENERAL COMMERCIAL UNDERLAY, BACK IN 2014. AT THE TIME, B2 WAS NOT ABLE TO HAVE ANY OUTSIDE STORAGE. HOME DEPOT WAS HAVING OUTSIDE STORAGE. THEIR COMPETITOR ALLOWED FOR THOSE THINGS. SO HOME DEPOT ESSENTIALLY MIRRORED THAT. WHAT CAME BEFORE THIS WAS THAT WE NOTICED THAT WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THEIR ZONING DOCUMENT, THEY AGREED TO IN 2014, WAS NO LONGER BEING FOLLOWED. THEY HAD AGAIN EXPANDED BEYOND THE BOUNDS OF THEIR PUD. SO THEY CAME IN, TO ESSENTIALLY, AMEND IT. SO THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING OUT THERE, THEY ARE ABLE TO DO, AND THE NUMBERS THAT THEY NEED FOR THEIR

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BUSINESS. SO HERE IS THE SITE. IT'S SURROUNDED BY OTHER B-2. AND YOU'LL SEE ON THE FLUME, WHICH IS OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN. IT'S SHOWN AS CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL. SO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, IT FITS WITHIN EVERYTHING WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THIS AREA. SO YOU'VE GOT NORTH STAR PUD. IT'S A MULTIUNIT FAMILY. EAST IS MORE B-2. SOUTH IS ANOTHER B-2, BUILT OUT AT THIS POINT. AND ALSO, HIGHWAY 79 WEST IS A ADDITIONAL ZONED AREA.

AND ALSO, EDGEMONT BOULEVARD. JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THIS WAS THAT LAST SMALL TRACK THAT WAS UNDER DEVELOPMENT. ASK YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT ON THE WEST SIDE, WITH THE PAINERA UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW. SO HERE YOU GO. THE PURPOSE OF THE PLANNING DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT IS TO ALLOW FOR COMPACT POWER EQUIPMENT RENTAL, UP TO 12,000 GROSS WEIGHT. EXPAND THE PENSE KEY TO ALLOW MORE VARIOUS TRUCK SIZES. ADD MORE STALLS FOR THOSE PENSEKE TRUCK RENTAL. UTILIZING EXISTING PARKING STALLS. AND ALSO ALLOW FOR THE EXISTING PARKING STALLS TO BE USED FOR SHED DISPLAY AREAS. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS THE LAYOUT. YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT THEY HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE. STAFF WAS REALLY NOTING THAT WHAT THEY ARE DOING OUT THERE, THEY'RE NOT IMPACTING THEIR PARKING. THERE IS A LOT OF PARKING OUT HERE. THIS WAS DONE ON A VERY OLD CODE, THAT REQUIRED EVEN MORE PARKING. SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IMPACTING THE SITE NEGATIVELY OR THEIR OWN BUSINESS, OBVIOUSLY. HOME DEPOT KNOWS NOT TO DO THAT.

WITH THAT, I CAN GO THROUGH ALL THE PUD CRITERIA. IT IS SPECIFIC TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT PLANS. IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. THIS DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING ON THE SITE. IT'S JUST, WE NEED TO GET THEM ALIGNED FOR WHATEVER ANYBODY ELSE WHO IS DEVELOPING IS ABLE TO DO. IT DOES NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT LAND, WITH CULTURAL, REC RAYINGAL OR RECREATIONAL OR ESTHETIC VALUE. WE JUST SAID, YES, IT IS IN COMPLIANCE OF WHAT WE HAD IN 2014. AND IT DOES CONTROL THE EXTERNAL AFFECT OF ENVIRONMENTAL USES. IT IS SERVED BY ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES. THERE IS ONE NOTE, I WILL SAY AT THE END OF THIS. IT DOES NOT HAVE AN GREATER BURDEN ON THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. EXHIBIT B IS JUST POINTED OUT. AND THIS DOES NOT GRANT APPROVAL OF ANY SITE PLAN, THAT MIGHT BE UPDATED IN THE FUTURE. A SITE PLAN WOULD LIKELY HAVE TO BE APPLIED FOR. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WITH PARKING STALLS, THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE THAT EXISTING PUD SAYS THEY WILL FOLLOW. 52 PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 600 FEET WERE NOTIFIED OF THIS REQUEST. WE DID RECEIVE TWO RESPONSES IN FAVOR. THOSE ARE ATTACHED TO YOUR ITEM. WE RECOMMEND AS A STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL, THAT THERE IS APPROVAL OF THIS. THE LANGUAGE IN 15.4, NEEDS TO BE EDITED TO ALLOW FOR A TOTAL OF 10 PARKING STALLS TO BE UTILIZED FOR THE LOAD AND GO.

THAT MIRRORS WHAT IS SHOWN ON EXHIBIT B. WE DO NEEDED LANDSCAPING BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE. IT WAS NOT A CODE VIOLATION, BUT WE KNOW THAT AFTER THE FREEZING AND OTHER THINGS, THERE IS DEAD TREES ALL OVER THE HOME DEPOT SITE. THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT IN COMPLIANCE. WE ARE PROCESSING THIS TO GET RID OF THE OTHER CODE CITATION, BUT WE SHOULD NOT

BE PROCESSING A SITE PLAN. >> AND THEN THE LAST. THERE HAS BEEN AN ITEM. MATT RECTOR MAY NEED TO SPEAK MORE ON THIS. BUT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE LARGER DEVELOPMENT OF THAT HANSON'S CORNER AND HOME DEPOT. BECAUSE THERE ARE PUBLIC LINES THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN MAINTAINING THAT ARE NOT IN PUBLIC EASEMENTS. BUT EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS TO THEM IS ONE THING WE RAN INTO. THIS IS ONE OF THE LAST THINGS THAT IS A TICKLER. HOME DEPOT IS A HOLDOUT. WE NEED THAT FINALIZED. SO A LITTLE BIT OF A GIVE AND TAKE ON THIS ONE. OF GET THE LANDSCAPING BACK IN ORDER. LET'S GET THOSE EASEMENTS FIGURED OUT. BUT WITH THAT, WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

>> OPEN TO HEARING, 10:54 ON JUNE 5TH. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK

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ON THIS ITEM? I KNOW EVERYBODY BUT ONE -- YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON IT?

>> THAT'S ALL RIGHT. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON IT. OH, YOU'RE REPRESENTING THE

APPLICANT? >> I'LL ASK YOU. HERE'S MY QUESTION. IT GOES 11. TALK TO ME ABOUT -- YEAH, THEIR LANDSCAPE LOOKS TERRIBLE. IT MAKES ME WONDER, IT'S THIS WAY IN A LOT OF PLACES WHERE THESE ISLANDS ARE RUNNING IN. AND YOU'VE GOT THESE BIG BOX TRUCKS HITTING ALL OF THIS. I'M KIND OF THINKING IT'S A BAD IDEA TO TELL PEOPLE TO PUT TREES IN THE ISLANDS.

WE'RE SAYING TO DO THAT, BUT IT'S NOT CONDUCIVE WITH EVERYBODY. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS, IN THIS THING, CAN WE MAKE IT TO WHERE, FOR THEM, JUST PUT SOMETHING, WHETHER IT BE BUSHES OR CREPE MYRTLE. AND I DRIVE THROUGH THERE. AND EVERY TRUCK THAT IS DRIVING THROUGH THERE IS RUNNING ALL OVER THE TREES. WE'RE SAYING, YOU CAN PUT BOX TRUCKS --

>> SO. >> CAN I ADJUST WITH MY MOTION TO LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE, TO SAY,

YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THE ISLAND. >> YEAH, WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THE NATIVE, SMALLER TREES THAT ARE LISTED ON THE CODE. EVERYBODY LIKED A GOOD LIVE OAK.

THAT IS NOT A APPROPRIATE TREE TO BE PUTTING IN A LANDSCAPE ISLAND, BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION. THEY ARE VERY EVEN FOR VERY LARGE FRONT YARDS. SO IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS SIZED APPROPRIATELY. I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU SAW ACROSS THE WAY, THAT ACADEMY HAD PUT IN.

THEY ARE PUTTING IN APPROPRIATE TREES FOR THAT. WE ALSO DON'T HAVE THE GRASS OR RIVER WATER.

OBVIOUSLY, ROCKS ARE LOW WATER USE. SO WE CAN -- WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK WITH THEM ON

THAT. >> THAT'S THE BEST WAY -- >> OR, LIKE SOME FEATHERED

GRASS. >> I WOULD SAY -- >> IT'S NICE.

>> I DON'T WANT TO SEE A -- >> A RUN ON COSTCO. >> YES.

>> YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CUT OFF IN THE SPRING. AND I'M LOOKING FOR THINGS TO WHERE, IT --

>> I WOULD SAY, LIMIT TO SMALL -- >> AND I'M GOING TO LIMIT TO HOME DEPOT. BUT EVERY LARGE BOX. AND THIS IS IN THE CITY, ALL OVER THE PLACE. THEY PULL HIM IN, AND THEY'VE GOT RUTS RUNNING THROUGH EVERYTHING. NOBODY HAS ANYTHING. OR WE JUST GO, YOU KNOW WHAT? HOW DOES IT LOOK FROM 79? AND HOW DOES IT LOOK FROM ED SCHMIDT. AND WE

KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A HOME IMPROVEMENT STORE STACKED UP. >> YOU CAN SEE ON HERE, BECAUSE THIS WAS DONE PRIOR TO THE EXISTING CODE RIGHT THERE. OKAY. SORRY. I FEEL LIKE I'M JUST POINTING THIS RIGHT AT YOU. THERE'S SOME TREES THAT ARE MISSING OUT HERE, ALONG THAT

MAIN DRIVE AISLE. >> UH-HUH. >> THERE REALLY AREN'T A LOT OF ISLANDS WITHIN THAT PARKING AREA, THAT THEY'RE ALREADY UTILIZING. AND THEY AREN'T HERE, EXCEPT FOR ON THOSE END CAPS. SO THE CONCERN WITH THE LARGER TREES, I WOULD SAY, LIMIT IT TO OUR NATIVE SMALLER TREES ON OUR LIST ALREADY. UNLESS YOU ARE CONCERNED WITH THIS AREA.

WHICH, THERE ARE JUST ISLANDS THAT DON'T HAVE ANY. AND EVEN A SMALL TREE WOULD BE BETTER THAN NOTHING ON THAT DRIVE AISLE BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO MIRROR --

>> THEY WANT TO CUT THEM ALL DOWN AND PUT THEM IN SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE SUITABLE TO THAT AREA. AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE ALL THE TRAFFIC IS COMING THROUGH THERE. TO ME, IF THEY WERE FRONTING, RIGHT ON 79. I WOULD HAVE MORE OF A CONCERN. YOU WANT TO DRIVE BY AND SEE BEAUTIFUL.

BUT YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF BUSINESSES ALL THROUGH THERE. AND AGAIN, UNLESS THE CITY HAS A BUSINESS OF, YOUR TREE DIED FOUR YEARS AGO, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN OUT TWO MONTHS AGO SAYING, THERE

IS NOTICE. >> I WILL SAY, THERE IS A PUSH TO ENSURE THAT OUR COMMERCIAL AREAS. IT'S ONE THING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN IN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODED OPTION. IT OCCURRED A FEW MONTHS AGO. THERE IS SOME LANGUAGE THERE NOW. THAT IS GOING TO REQUIRE SOME PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAINTAIN THEIR SITE TO THE APPROVAL LEVEL OF THAT SITE PLAN. THAT SHOULD BE HELPING OUT WITH ANY OF THOSE POTHOLE ISSUES. AND ALSO LANDSCAPING. AND EVEN TO POINT OF SIGNS BEING DILAPIDATED. AND THE BUILDING NOT BEING KEPT UP. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT

OF THE LAST SURVEY THAT WAS DONE FOR THE RESIDENTS. >> STILL SITTING UP THERE. AT THE END OF AISLES. LIKE, IS THERE SUPPOSED TO BE A STOP SIGN THERE? I DON'T KNOW. YEAH.

>> I WOULD GO AS FAR AS LIKE, JUST CUT DOWN ALL THE TREES. BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THESE TREES ARE DIVING IN, DOING WELL. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE A WINTER STORM

HIT SOME OF THEM. AND THEY -- >> THERE'S A FEW MISSING. IT'S NOT REALLY IN TERMS OF PARKING.

IT'S MORE OF THAT MAIN DRIVE. >> YEAH. SO ADDRESS THE ONES -- >> I WOULD SUGGEST UTILIZING THE NATIVE SMALL TREES ON THE LIST. NOT GOING FOR THE LARGE TREES. BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED TO BE PUTTING LIVE OAKS IN SKIFF ISLANDS. IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE TREE. SAID AND TONGUE IN

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CHEEK, TO CUT DOWN. IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING THIS, THEY MAY BE RESURFACING, RESTRIPE. MAYBE THEY REFRESH IT AND BRING IT UP, HELL IF THEY WANTED TO MOVE ISLANDS AROUND. IF THEY WANT TO DO PARK AND LIFTS, THEY'RE HAVING TO DO THAT, NOT BASED ON WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO TODAY.

THEY ARE HAVING TO DO IT BASED ON WHATEVER THEY DECIDED 20 YEARS AGO, AND WHEN THIS GOT BUILT. I'M JUST LIKE, WHAT DO THEY NEED TO START IT ALL OVER AGAIN? FRESHEN IT ALL UP? IF THEY ALL DID LANDSCAPING? AND WHO KNOWS. YOU GUYS NEED TO TELL THEM TO FIX THIS EASEMENT AREA.

FIX YOUR POTHOLE ISSUE. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GO TO IS. HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE. THAT WAS A DAMN EASY PROCESS. WE ARE GOING TO DO THE WHOLE THING. IT WILL LOOK LIKE A BRAND NEW HOME

DEPOT. >> I WOULD SAY, ADD IN THE SMALL TREE. IF WE GO BACK TO WHAT THE ORIGINAL PUD SAID. THEY WOULD BE ADDING IN MORE LARGE TREES AND IT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, AS PRESENTED, WITH THE ADDITION OF, WHATEVER IT IS YOU

GOT TO DO TO CHANGE THE -- THE LANDSCAPE CODE. >> THE TREE REPLACEMENT COULD BE

UTILIZED FOR NATIVE AND SMALL TREES AND ISLANDS. >> SECOND.

>> AND CAN YOU ADD THAT PROVISION TO ORDAIN CLAUSES, THE NEW ARE THE CHAER PROVISIONS,

THIS ORDINANCE? >> WE HAVE THE ORDINANCE THAT NEEDS TO GET UPDATED TO THE END

FOR THIS. >> OH, YES. >> YOU OKAY WITH THAT?

>> UH-HUH. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> WHAT -- WHY? SO THIS IS LIKE, TWO AGENDA ITEMS. IS IT JUST BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ERROR? LIKE IT WAS JUST KIND OF AN AUTO

EDIT? >> IT WAS INADVERTENT. >> YEAH. THE UPDATE FOR THE

ORDINANCE HAS CHANGED REMEMBER. >> WE ALWAYS HAD THE CITY SECRETARY PUBLISH IT IN THE

MINUTES AND ON THE WEBSITE. AND IF THAT'S NOT IN THERE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> DO YOU WORK FOR HOME DEPOT OR SOME ENGINEER? >> ENGINEER.

>> PASS IT BACK TO HIM. THERE'S A CHANCE TO FRESHEN THE PLACE UP, AND MAKE IT LOOK REALLY GOOD, FOR WHATEVER IT IS THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING HERE. OTHERWISE, WE'RE GOING TO GO DO A BETTER DEAL WITH LOWE'S.

NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER SYNDER. >> AYE. >> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON AYE.

COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. >> AYE.

[10.2. Continue public hearing and consider possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-130 authorizing and creating the Limmer Square Public Improvement District within the City Of Hutto pursuant to Chapter 372, Texas Local Government Code. (Legal)]

>> MOTION PASSES 6-0. NEXT ITEM IS 10.2, SUSTAIN PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION R-2025-130, AUTHORIZING AND CREATING THE LIMMER SQUARE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT WITHIN THE CITY OF HUTTO PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 372, TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.

>> WE CHECK THE WITH THE PLAT DEVELOPMENT. AND THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE COUNTY. SO WE WOULD REQUEST COUNCIL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS PUBLIC

HEARING TO JUNE 26TH. >> OKAY. COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. IN THE AGENDA ITEM REPORT. IT SAYS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS NEGOTIATED AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO PURSUE A MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT. WE NEVER DIRECTED THAT, BUT I THINK THAT IS SUPPOSED TO SAY, PUBLIC

IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. >> YES. IN THE SO I TALKED TO THE APPLICANT TODAY. AND THEY'RE FRUSTRATED WITH THE COUNTY. THEY WANT TO GET SOME KIND OF THING GOING. BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN

WORKING ON THIS SINCE DECEMBER. SO. >> WHETHER IT BE 10.2, OR 10.3.

ON ONE OF THESE. WHAT CAN THEY DO TO WHERE THEY CAN START SUBMITTING SOMETHING. CAN WE SIGN OFF ON THE WASTEWATER AGREEMENT OR WATER AGREEMENT. THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE JUST TREADING WATER. AND THIS IS WHAT CAUSES THESE GUYS PULLING THE PLUG.

>> I KNOW YOU SAID IT WITH 10.3. ONE OF THE THINGS HOLDING UP ASK THAT THEY ARE HOLDING UP THE COUNTY. IF WE COME IN AND ANNEX WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WITH THE COUNTY, PER THE PRELIMINARY AGREEMENT, 1445, WITH THE COUNTY, TO START OVER. WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT. PRELIMINARY PLAT IS GOING TO BE PLACED ON AGENDA. I BELIEVE IT'S JUNE 10TH OR

SOMETHING. >> NEXT TUESDAY. WE WANT TO MAKE YOU ANSWER. THERE IS OTHER --

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ITEM THAT DOTTIE DISCUSSES WITH YOU. WE'RE STILL TRYING TO PAUSE. WE WANTED TO AVOID

FURTHER DELAY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE FOUND OUT. >> AND THAT'S ONE THING THEY REQUESTED THAT THEY GET THROUGH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PROCESS, BEFORE WE ANNEXED.

>> I GET THAT. CAN WE START REVIEWING SUBMITTALS FROM THEM, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT TECHNICALLY PART OF THE CITY? HERE'S WHAT HE SAID. STAFF ISN'T GOING TO REVIEW THIS, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PART OF THE CITY. I WAS HOPING STAFF WOULD TAKE YOUR MONEY AND REVIEW, AND

IF YOU NEVER CAME INTO THE CITY. WE WOULD TAKE YOUR MONEY -- >> I KNOW MY SIDE WILL. WE ARE

ALWAYS OPEN. >> LEGALLY, WE CAN LOOK -- TAKE A FEE CAN ACCEPT PLANS FROM AN

OUT-OF-CITY PERSON. >> I THINK AT THIS POINT, WE COULD DEFINITELY ACCEPT THEM AND START REVIEWING THEM IF THEY HAD THAT. BUT WE REALLY AREN'T. IF THEY DON'T HAVE A PRELIMINARY PLAT, WE ARE NOT AT A POINT, WHERE THEY HAVE HOUSE PLANS OR OTHER THINGS SUBMITTED.

>> NEXT -- >> POTENTIALLY. BUT WE COULD START LOOKING AT FINAL PLATS, WITH AN APPROVED PRELIM, JUST FIRST BLUSH AT MIDDLE DATE, WHICH WOULDN'T BE NEXT WEDNESDAY. THE ONLY OTHER THING WE COULD LOOK AT POSSIBLY IS OTHER AGREEMENTS THAT THERE WOULD NEED TO BE. BUT AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, THEIR LEGAL TEAM SAID THEY WOULD NEED POTENTIAL TWO MODIFICATIONS. SOME OF THE SLOWDOWN IS COMING ON THEIR SIDE.

>> THEY'RE FEELING LIKE THEY CAN'T MOVE FORWARD, UNLESS WE MOVE FORWARD. AND I'M LIKE JUST

PAY YOUR FEES. >> WE CERTAINLY HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING. ONE OF THEIR BUILDERS SAID, THEY CAN'T MEET AFTER LOOKING AT THEIR REQUIREMENTS AFTER THE D.A.

APPROVED. WE ARE STILL SCHEDULING OUT MEETINGS AND MOVING FORWARD, IT'S JUST THAT

WE HAVE TO PAUSE AND LET THEM HAVE THEIR PRELIM PLAT. >> ALL RIGHT. SO YOU JUST WANT

US TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING? >> TO JUNE 26TH.

>> DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT. >> YES. >> OR JUST SAY WITHOUT

OBJECTION? >> WE WOULD REQUEST MOTION. >> ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO ADJOURN

HEARING. >> SECOND. >> TO JUNE 26TH.

>> TO JUNE 26TH. >> SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING

NONE, PLEASE CALL THE OAT VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. >> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER PORT.

[10.3. Continue public hearing and possible action on Ordinance No. 0-2025-016 Approving the Annexation of the Limmer Square Annexation tract, 111.82 acres, more or less, of land located at the southwest corner of Limmer Loop and SH130 and to Establish the Base Zoning of MF (Multi-Family), SF-1 (single-family), and B-2 (Commercial) zoning districts. (Ashley Bailey) ]

>> PORTERFIELD. >> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES, 6-0. NEXT ITEM, CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING OR PUBLIC ACTION. APPROVING THE ANNEXATION OF THE LIMMER SQUARE ANNEXATION TRACT, 111.2 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND, LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST OF LIMMER LOOP, AND TO ESTABLISH A BASE ZONING OF MF AND B2 COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. SITUATION THE SAME

WAY? >> RIGHT. WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING

UNTIL JUNE 26TH. >> MOTION TO CONTINUE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL JUNE 26TH.

>> SECOND. >> SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD, ANY DISCUSSION? AND

HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK.

>> AYE. >> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. >> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD.

[11. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ]

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER SYNDER. >> AYE. MOTIONS PASSES 6-0.

NEXT, WE HAVE CONSENT ITEMS, 11.1 THROUGH 11.10. ANY ITEMS ANYONE WISHES TO PULL? I'D LIKE TO PULL 11.1 AND 11.7. HEARING NO OTHER, I MOVE TO APPROVE 2, 3, 4, 5, 8 AS PRESENTED.

>> I'LL SECOND. >> SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING

NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? >> AYE. >> MAYOR SYNDER?

>> AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. >> AYE. COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD.

[11.1. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-140 authorizing the City Manager to lease-purchase a Ford Transit van with CCTV Camera Inspection Equipment for utility wastewater pipeline inspection through Sourcewell Contract #092424-NCL for a not-to-exceed amount of $204,175.45 over a 5-year lease agreement with NCL Government Capital. (Rick Coronado) ]

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. >> AYE.

>> MOTION PASSES, 6-0. NEXT, ITEM 11.1. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2025-140, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO LEASE-PURCHASE A VAN WITH CCTV CAMERA INSPECTION

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EQUIPMENT FOR UTILITY WASTEWATER, 092424NCL, NOT TO SPEED AMOUNT OF $204,175, OVER A

FIVE-YEAR LEASE AGREEMENT WITH NCL GOVERNMENT CAPITAL. >> AND I INADERTENTLY PULLED

THIS -- >> HUH? >> I INADVERTENTLY PULLED THAT

ONE. WRONG NOTE. >> YOU DEPARTMENT MEAN TO? >> MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> I WAS LIKE, I DON'T WANT FOR IT TO COME BACK UP. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON.

>> AYE. >> MAYOR SYNDER. >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? AYE. >> MAYOR PRO TEM. >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. >> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD.

[11.7. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-146 accepting the infrastructure improvements for the Capital Improvement project site development known as the Hutto Solar Lighting project (CIP P05-2024). (Matt Rector) ]

>> JUST WANTED TO RULE ON AN AGENDA ITEM. >> MOTION PASSES, 6-0. ALMOST 11 -- CONSIDERATION OF R-2025-146. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION 2025-146, ACCEPTING THE INFRASTRUCTURE. NO ONE WAS EVEN SIGNING THIS SO MY QUESTION, I SEE THE LETTER, WHERE JEFF WROTE TO INSPECTION, SAYING PARKS IS GOOD WITH IT. THEN I SAW THE FINAL CIP PROJECT CHECKLIST. NOBODY INITIALED RECEIVED IT. THEN I SAW THE FINAL COST ESTIMATE QUANTITIES.

NOBODY SIGNED THAT ONE. THEN THE PUNCH LIST. THERE'S A TYPED NAME, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY, IS DEVELOPER'S CONTRACT NECESSARY? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. BUT YES, NO, OR NOT APPLICABLE.

THAT'S NOT FILLED OUT. SO WHAT I WANTED TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY IS, DO THESE THINGS

NEED TO BE FILLED OUT? >> THEY SHOULD BE FILLED OUT AND SIGNED. DO YOU WANT US TO BRING

THIS BACK NEXT TIME -- >> WELL -- >> OR DO YOU WANT TO --

>> I DO. BECAUSE IT'S SLOPPY. WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD HERE WHO IS WOUND UP ABOUT WE'RE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB. AND I KNOW THIS IS JUST SOLAR LIGHTS AND PROBABLY NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING BAD. BUT EVERYONE IS DOING THEIR JOB, BUT NOBODY IS SIGNING PAPERWORK.

>> I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO BRING IT BACK WITH FILLED-OUT PAPERWORK.

>> I'LL SECOND THAT. MOTIONED BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON, SECONDED BY MAYOR SYNDER.

IMRGTDZ DISCUSSION? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCILMEMBER

CLARK. >> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR.

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. >> AYE.

[12.1. Consideration and possible action relating to Ordinance No. 0-2025-020 authorizing the re-notice and re-publication of the Joint Public Hearing of the Planning and Zoning Commission and City Council to be held on June 26, 2025 at 7:00 p.m. to consider recommendations and possible action upon an ordinance repealing and replacing Article 16.02 of the Hutto City Code, the Unified Development Code of the City of Hutto, Texas. (Ashley Bailey) (Part 1 of 2)]

>> MAYOR SYNDER. >> AYE, MAYOR PRO TEM GOURDS. >> AYE.

>> MOTION PASSES. CONSIDERATION OF 20 2025. AUTHORIZATIONING THE CITY MANAGER TO AT 7:45 P.M. TO CONSIDER RECOMMENDATIONS UPON ORDINANCE REPEALING AND REPLACING, ARTICLE 16.Z2, HUTTO

CODE, CITY DEVELOPMENT CODE OF THE CITY OF TEXAS. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS ITEM IS ESSENTIALLY A REDO OF WHAT WE HAD DONE TONIGHT FOR JOINT STAFF SECTION. AND INADVERTENTLY LEFT OFF THE PAPER. SO WE HAVE TO RENOTICE THIS ITEM.

>> SO WHAT WILL WE BE DOING ON ? IT WOULD BE THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION FROM UDC TO YOU.

AND WILL WE GET THAT BEFOREHAND? LIKE A WEEK BEFOREHAND TO REVIEW IT?

>> YEAH. AND WE HAVE EVERYTHING ONLINE. I DID GET -- THERE WERE A FEW MORE LITTLE TWEAKS THAT WERE MADE, SO I WILL HAVE ANOTHER ONE POSTED, AND WE'LL GET THAT TO YOU. BUT I'LL HAVE ANOTHER, A FRESH VERSION POSTED. WE HAVE THE MOST RECENT ONE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE PACKET THAT WENT TO P&INTER. BUT ANOTHER THAT THERE WAS A FEW TYPOS.

>> WILL YOU LET US KNOW WHEN THAT ONE GOES UP. >> YEAH. 100%.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL, ASKING IF WE WANTED TO MAYBE CONSIDER DOING THIS ON A DIFFERENT DATE, LIKE ON A SATURDAY, TO HAVE MORE TIME? RATHER THAN A 45-MINUTE.

BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE AT THE 6:00 P.M. WORK SESSION, RIGHT?" .

>> THIS ONE SAYS CIP. >> OH. I'M SORRY. I'M THINKING OF THE UDC. WE'RE DOING THIS AT

7:00 TO GET THE RECOMMENDATION DONE. >> GOT YOU.

>> DO WE HAVE ACTION? >> I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED THEN.