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SIX O'CLOCK.[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]
CALL THE CITY COUNCIL SESSION FOR THURSDAY, JUNE 26TH.[3.1. Discussion and possible action related to the FY 2026-2030 CIP recommendations from Planning and Zoning and Parks.]
POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2026.RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PLANNING AND ZONING AND PARKS.
SO MAYOR COUNSEL, I'LL CAN GIVE A, A BRIEF INTRO HERE.
UH, TONIGHT YOU'LL BE RECEIVING THE CIP RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PLANNING AND ZONING AND PARKS.
THIS WILL WON'T BE WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN EXPECTING A WALKTHROUGH ON EACH PROJECT.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR THAT.
WHAT THIS WILL BE IS, UH, OUR CITY ENGINEER KIND OF TALKING THROUGH THE PROCESS ON HOW IT STARTED WITH HIS RECOMMENDATIONS BEING PRESENTED TO P AND Z AND PARKS, UH, TALKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE FINAL PRODUCT THERE.
THE LAST PART WE'LL BE ASKING Y'ALL, UM, OR LETTING Y'ALL KNOW WHEN WE NEED TO HEAR BACK FROM COUNCIL ON WHAT, HOW YOU WOULD FINALIZE THE PROCESS OF CIP.
SO AGAIN, THIS WON'T BE WALKING THROUGH EVERY PROJECT.
IT'S TALKING MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS.
COUNCIL CAN FIGURE OUT HOW THEY WANT, HOW THEY WANT IT TO GO FROM HERE TO GET IT BACK TO STAFF SO WE CAN HAVE IT IDENTIFIED.
SO THAT'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR CITY ENGINEER.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, MATT, RECORD, CITY ENGINEER.
UH, SO REAL QUICK, AS MATT SAID, WE'RE JUST GONNA WALK THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TONIGHT.
UH, IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU SHOULD HAVE PRINTOUTS OF THE MOST RECENT, UH, RESULTS.
THIS HAS BEEN WORKED ON WITH, UH, MYSELF, E AND Z PARKS BOARD, UH, ALBERTA IN FINANCE HAS, UH, BEEN WORKING IN SIDE BY SIDE WITH ME ON THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT MY FINANCIAL NUMBERS MATCH HER FINANCIAL NUMBERS SO THAT IT'S ALL IN LINE.
UH, SO HOW WE GOT HERE, AS YOU MAY RECALL, IS, UH, WE, WE ENTED THE 2025 TO 2029 CIP, UH, TO CITY COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY AND THEN AGAIN IN MARCH TO TRY TO GET A FEEL FOR MAKING SURE THE PROJECT PRIORITIES WERE STILL IN LINE.
UH, AT THE MARCH PRESENTATION, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT WE WERE GONNA BE PRESENTING AT THIS P AND Z PER THE CITY CHARTER, AND THAT WE'D BE COMING BACK TO YOU GUYS IN JUNE.
AND HERE WE ARE, UH, FROM THAT 20 25, 29 DISCUSSIONS IN FEBRUARY, MARCH.
I THEN TOOK ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT WERE ON THAT LIST.
NOW, KEEP IN MIND, WHEN YOU APPROVED THE 2025 TO 2029 CIP, YOU HAD NOT YET APPROVED THE NEW PARKS MASTER PLAN, THE NEW TRAILS MASTER PLAN, THE NEW MOBILITY MASTER PLAN, THE NEW DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN.
SO WHAT I DID WAS I WENT IN AND SCRUBBED ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAD NOT STARTED DESIGN OR CONSTRUCTION, OR THAT YOU HAD NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED AS SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE INTERESTED IN SEEING AS A PRIORITY.
SO ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE NO LONGER ON OUR MASTER PLANS CAME OFF THE LIST.
THEN I WENT BACK AND PUT ALL OF THE NEW MASTER PLAN PROJECTS ON THE LIST.
SO I ADDED YOUR PARKS MASTER PLAN, YOUR TRAILS MASTER PLAN, YOUR MOBILITY MASTER PLAN, YOUR DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN.
UM, FROM THERE, I TRIED MY BEST TO TRY TO PRIORITIZE PROJECTS, UH, BASED ON WHAT I WAS SEEING IN SCRS IN, UM, I TOLD P AND Z AND PARKS, IT'S REALLY HARD FOR A CITY ENGINEER TO PRIORITIZE PARK PROJECTS BECAUSE HOW DO YOU PRIORITIZE ONE PRODUCT OVER ANOTHER? SO I JUST KIND OF LEFT THOSE VACANT AND VAGUE.
UH, BUT STREETS, I TYPICALLY DID WHAT I, WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING EVERY YEAR THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SIP IS I PRIORITIZED ED SCHMIDT, CARL STERN MEMBER LOOP, UM, AND ON WATER AND WASTEWATER, I PRIORITIZED PROJECTS BASED ON SCRS THAT I WAS SEEING.
I TOOK THE, BASICALLY THE RECOMMENDATIONS OUT OF THE DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN AND USED THAT AS MY SCHEME FOR HOW TO PRIORITIZE PROJECTS.
SO THEN I TOOK ALL OF THAT, PRESENTED IT TO P AND Z FOR A SERIES OF MEETINGS.
RATHER THAN HAVE A MARATHON OF A MEETING, WE BROKE IT DOWN INTO INDIVIDUAL SMALLER BITES.
SO WE TOOK ONE BITE OF THE ELEPHANT AT A TIME.
UH, WE STARTED WITH FACILITIES ON APRIL 15TH AND YOU COULD KIND OF SEE HERE I TRIED MY BEST TO SHOW YOU GUYS WHAT THE SHIFTS WERE THAT WERE MADE BECAUSE THIS ONE IS SMALL ENOUGH THAT I CAN DO THAT.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, P AND Z SAID WE SHOULD MOVE THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING AND THE JUSTICE CENTER TO BOTH START IN 2027.
THEY WERE ASSUMING THAT WE WERE GONNA DO A BOND ELECTION RATHER THAN TRY TO CO THAT, THAT WE WOULD GO OUT TO THE VOTERS AND GET A GEO FOR THOSE.
UM, THEN THE OTHER THING THAT THEY DID WAS THEY MOVED THE PARK HEADQUARTERS, WHICH WE HAD ORIGINALLY SLATED FOR STARTING IN 2025.
WE MOVED THAT TO 2026 AND ALIGNED IT WITH ALL OF THE OTHER FACILITIES LIKE LIBRARY, THE REC, COMMUNITY CENTER AQUATICS, BECAUSE IN P AND Z'S MIND, THERE
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MIGHT BE SOME ROOM TO CREATE SOME EFFICIENCIES AND EFFECTIVENESS THERE OF OVERLAPPING POTENTIAL.YOU KNOW, LIKE PERHAPS INSTEAD OF HAVING A SEPARATE PARKS BUILDING IN A SEPARATE REC CENTER OR A SEPARATE AQUATIC CENTER, YOU CAN MAYBE COMBINE THE TWO.
OR INSTEAD OF HAVING A LIBRARY WITH A COMMUNITY CENTER SEPARATE, MAYBE YOU CAN COMBINE THE TWO.
SO THEY SUGGESTED THAT WE ALIGN ALL OF THOSE STUDIES AT ONE TIME TO SEE WHERE WE CAN FIND SIMILARITIES.
UH, THE OTHER THING THAT THEY DID IS THEY PULLED THE DOWNTOWN RESTROOM THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT UP FROM 29 INTO 2026 BECAUSE OF THE IDEA THAT UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MARKETS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF IN DOWNTOWN AND, AND PEOPLE MIGHT NEED A PLACE TO USE FACILITIES.
WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT WASTEWATER ON THAT SAME APRIL 15TH DATE.
THE REASON WE DID WASTEWATER IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FACILITIES WAS BECAUSE BASE WATER IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
YOU START DOWNSTREAM, YOU WORK UPSTREAM.
SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM THERE.
UM, AND SO I COULDN'T, 'CAUSE IT'S SUCH A LONG LIST, I COULDN'T FIT IT ALL ON THE SLIDE.
SO I JUST KIND OF GAVE YOU GUYS BULLETED LISTS.
IN 2026, THEY SUGGESTED THAT WE FINISH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE GLENWOOD PROJECTS.
WE FINISHED THE CONSTRUCTION IN THE SOUTHEAST LOOP.
WE START CONSTRUCTION ON BRUSH STREET CREEK FOUR.
WE DO THE CONSTRUCTION OF AVERY LAKE ONE AND TWO, WHICH AS YOU GUYS MAY OR MAY NOT REMEMBER THAT'S RELATED TO THE PEARL ESTATES OR THEY CHANGED THEIR NAME NOW, BUT WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLED OVER THERE.
UH, ON THE WEST SIDE OF ONE 30, WE FINISHED THE DESIGN OF THE FIRST PHASE OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, THE CENTRAL PLANT.
AND THEN WE DO THE REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE IRONWOOD PROJECTS, UH, PHASE ONE.
AND THEN IN 27 YOU WOULD FINISH PAYING OFF THE IRONWOOD.
YOU WOULD START CONSTRUCTION OF THE CENTRAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
YOU WOULD REDO THE REIMBURSEMENTS FOR MEADOWBROOK, UH, DO THE REIMBURSEMENTS FOR THE COTTONWOOD CREEK PHASE TWO A AND DO THE WILCO RANCH REIMBURSEMENTS.
IN 28 WE HAVE MEGASITE WASTEWATER.
UH, PHASE TWO STARTING DESIGN.
THEN YOU HAVE CONTINUATION OF THE CENTRAL TREATMENT PLANT CONSTRUCTION, THE KIRK TRACK REIMBURSEMENT, THE SH ONE 30, UH, OFFSITE LINE REIMBURSEMENTS.
UH, START DESIGN OF THE CENTRAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT PHASE TWO EXPANSION, AND THEN MOVE ON INTO THE SOUTHEAST LOOP WASTEWATER, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE INTERCEPTOR PHASE TWO DESIGN.
AND THEN 29 YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE PROJECT CONTINUING.
MEGASITE WASTEWATER, TWO CONSTRUCTION COTTONWOOD CREEK ONE DESIGN CENTRAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT CONSTRUCTION, SOUTHEAST LOOP CONSTRUCTION, UH, US 79 FORCE MAINE, UH, DESIGN COTTONWOOD CREEK, UH, PHASE TWO B CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEN IN 30, WRAPPING IT UP WITH BROOKLYN'S LIFT STATION, FARTHER LIFT STATION, SOUTH MUSTANG CREEK, INTERCEPTOR COTTONWOOD CREEK, PHASE ONE CONSTRUCTION US 79 CONSTRUCTION CR 1 0 1 DESIGN AND CR 1 0 1 LIFT STATION DESIGN.
CAN YOU KIND OF JUST SHARE IN GENERAL WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS OR WHAT KIND OF THINGS THEY CONSIDER WHEN MOVING THINGS AROUND GENERAL? UM, WHAT PNZ CONSIDER OR WHAT CITY COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER PNC? UH, SO PNZ DIDN'T REALLY CONSIDER A LOT OF MOVING THINGS AROUND BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A METHOD TO THE MADNESS ON HOW YOU, UH, DEVELOP YOUR WASTEWATER.
TYPICALLY, IT'S DOWNSTREAM TO UPSTREAM AND YOU CAN DO IT THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
IT JUST MAKES THINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT.
UH, SO MOST OF THE STUFF THAT THEY LOOKED AT MOVING AROUND WERE WHEN THEY THOUGHT CERTAIN PROJECTS MIGHT ACTUALLY GET TRIGGERED.
FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE BROOKLYN BUS STATION AND FARTHER THE STATION, THOSE AREN'T REALLY HIGH PRIORITY, BUT THEY'RE IMPORTANT ENOUGH THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF THIS STATIONS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE SHOULD CONSIDER DOING THAT ONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
UM, A LOT OF THESE LIKE AVERY LAKES, THE IRONWOOD, THE MEADOWBROOKS, THE KIRK TRACKS, THOSE ARE ALL REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENTS THAT C CITY COUNCILS ALREADY AGREED TO.
SO THEY DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM TO MOVE THOSE.
UM, NOW WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACT TIMELINES WITH ALL THOSE DEVELOPERS.
SO MAYBE THEY COULD SHIFT BY A YEAR OR TWO, BUT GENERALLY WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO REIMBURSE.
AND P AND Z IS HERE SO THEY CAN LET ME KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT I'M FORGETTING ON, ON HOW WE SHIFTED WASTEWATER AROUND.
WE, WE WERE PRETTY MUCH, YEP, THIS MAKES SENSE.
MAYBE WE MOVED THIS ONE LOW PRIORITY PROJECT, BUT YEAH, IT WAS PRETTY MUCH AS PRESENTED.
NOT TOO, MATT, YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT REMINDED ME OF SOMETHING.
WE HAD A CONVERSATION, WAIT ON YEARS AGO YOU SAID WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUTTA LIFT STATIONS.
SO ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT TO US SEVERAL YEARS AGO WAS THERE'S A BUNCH OF LIFT STATIONS.
I SAID, WHAT'S UP WITH THESE? WELL, WE WANNA GO TO GRAVITY FED, UH, LESS MAINTENANCE.
AND I SAID, YOU HAVE A, LIKE ONE OF 'EM JUST MAKE UP NUMBERS.
IT'S $8 MILLION TO GO TO GRAVITY FED.
AND I SAID, WELL WHAT'S THE MAINTENANCE
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OF THIS LIFT STATION EACH YEAR VERSUS THE DEBT SERVICE OF THAT? AND WE EITHER BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO AND I SAID WE, 'CAUSE WE'RE ALL TOGETHER, BUT FOR SOME REASON WE NEVER GOT THOSE NUMBERS.SO I THINK IF THERE'S ANY PROJECT THAT'S LIKE THAT, IT'S LIKE A NICE TO HAVE AND I THINK WE NEED TO PUT AN ASTERISK OR SOMETHING THAT, HEY, IT COSTS US $50,000 A YEAR IN MAINTENANCE, BUT IF WE'RE SPENDING 300,000 A YEAR IN DEBT SERVICE, BUT WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO KEEP MAINTAINING IT UNTIL IT FAILS.
WHATEVER THE LIFESPAN THAT IS.
OR IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT, HEY, THIS THING'S 300 GRAND A YEAR, BUT FOR 50 GRAND A YEAR WE CAN ACTUALLY SAVE YOU GUYS MONEY IF YOU GO AHEAD AND, AND DECOMMISSION IT AND GO TO GRAVITY.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF INCENTIVE FOR THAT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES ARE LIKE THAT, BUT WE KIND OF BEEN BATTLING THAT BACK MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO.
YEAH, I MEAN WE CAN HAVE PROBABLY WORKS.
TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IT'S COSTING.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE FARLEY STATION RIGHT THERE.
GET THAT, WHAT NUMBER IS THAT? FARLEY W FIVE.
UH, I DON'T, S FIVE DON'T HAVE A LIST IN FRONT OF ME, SO I CAN'T WHAT YEAR IS IT IN? IT'S IN 2030.
SO THAT WOULD BE, OKAY, I SEE THAT'S UH, 4.7 MILLION.
YEAH, SO THAT ONE IS AT CAPACITY AS, AS EVERYTHING DEVELOPED DOWN THERE.
WE'RE CONSTANTLY TELLING THE DEVELOPERS, YOU GOTTA GO INCREASE IT, YOU GOTTA GO INCREASE IT, YOU GOTTA GO INCREASE IT.
AND SO IDEALLY WE WOULD GET SOMEBODY TO THE POINT WHERE INSTEAD OF THEM INCREASING IT, THEY WOULD PAY TO BUILD THE ENTIRE GRAVITY LINE AND THEN THEY TAKE CARE OF IT.
BUT SO FAR EVERYBODY'S JUST LIKE, OH, WELL I'LL JUST ADD ANOTHER PUMP.
BUT WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN'T JUST ADD MORE PUMPS.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT ONE'S IN HERE.
THE BROOKLYNS, UH, I COULDN'T TELL YOU THAT ONE HASN'T COME UP IN, IN MOST RECENT CONVERSATIONS.
IT WAS JUST BEEN ON THE MASTER PLAN FOR A WHILE.
SO THAT'S WHY I'VE JUST, WE HAVE EASEMENTS TO GO TO.
I DON'T KNOW HOW DEEP WE GOTTA GO.
BUT SAY WE WANTED TO GO TO GRAVITY.
DO WE ALREADY HAVE A WIDE ENOUGH EASEMENT TO WHERE WE CAN DO THAT? OR IS IT LIKE A STANDARD 15 FOOT EASEMENT TO WHERE WE'D STILL NEED TO GO BACK? UH, I, SO WE DON'T HAVE EASEMENTS CURRENTLY.
WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND GET EASEMENTS AND I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DEPTH BECAUSE BOTH OF THOSE LINES, WHEN THEY COME GRAVITY, THEY WOULD TIE INTO THE BRUSHY CREEK PHASE FOUR THAT WE'RE DESIGNING RIGHT NOW.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DEPTH OF WHAT THAT LINE WHERE THEY WOULD TIE IN.
SO I'D NEED TO KNOW THAT OUR STANDARD EASEMENT IS 15 FEET, BUT FOR EVERY FOOT BEYOND EIGHT FOOT DEEP, IT GETS TWO FEET WIDER BECAUSE THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WHILE WE'RE GETTING TO THESE THINGS, WE'RE WORKING IN ADVANCE TO WHERE IT'S LIKE SHOVEL READY, YOU GUYS READY TO GO? 'CAUSE WE DON'T GET HUNG UP ON AN EASEMENT OR, OR AT LEAST NO.
UM, FOR WHEN THERE'S DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA TO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEONE BUILD SOMETHING IN 'CAUSE YEAH, I CAN IMAGINE, UH, I KNOW WHAT GOING DOWN 40 FEET LOOKS LIKE AND THAT THAT'S LIKE A FOOTBALL FIELD WITH ALMOST OF, YEAH, THIS IS VERY HELPFUL.
UH, SO THEN ON APRIL 22ND WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT STREETS.
UH, AND YOU'LL SEE SOME CHANGES HERE ON THE SLIDE IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF AFTER WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH PNZ CITY COUNCIL CHANGED SOME THINGS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I WENT BACK AND STRUCK THROUGH THINGS THAT PNZ HAD TALKED ABOUT.
I DID GO, I DID LET PNZ KNOW THAT THINGS WERE CHANGING, BUT UM, SO WE PUSHED THE CONSTRUCTION OF CR 1 37 AND FM 1660 TO FY 26.
'CAUSE I DON'T SEE A PATH FOR US TO GET TO CONSTRUCTION THIS YEAR ANYWAY, UH, ORIGINALLY PNZ HAD SAID PUSH THE CONSTRUCTION OF LAKESIDE SIDEWALK PHASE THREE OUT TO 27 OR JUST BREAK IT UP AND APPLY THOSE FUNDS INTO T ZERO ONE, WHICH IS THE ANNUAL SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
ANYWAY, UH, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE SINCE BASICALLY CANCELED THAT PROJECT 'CAUSE WE COULDN'T GET SUPPORT FROM THE CITIZENS OVER THERE.
UH, THEY PULLED CR 1 32 OVERPASS UP FROM 2030 TO 2028, BUT COUNCIL THEN SUBSEQUENTLY TOOK ACTION BASICALLY SAYING WE'RE NOT GONNA WORRY ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO WE PUSHED IT BACK OUT TO 2030, BE ABLE TO LET DEVELOPERS GO FORWARD AND THEN US TO REVISIT THAT CONVERSATION AS WE DEEM NECESSARY IF WE ARE DEEM IT NECESSARY.
UH, THEY SAID BREAK UP THE FULL LEDGE SCHMIDT BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER BACK IN 23 WE HAD DONE A, A SAFETY ANALYSIS AND A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS OF ED SCHMIDT.
WE WENT AHEAD WITH A SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE, SOUTHWEST EAST SIDE AND THE INTERSECTION AT THE BAR NORTH.
BUT THERE WAS A LOT MORE WORK.
AND THEY SAID, JUST MAKE IT CLEANER.
KEEP THE PROJECT AS IT IS THAT'S ALREADY BEEN AWARDED AND IS GETTING READY TO GO OUT TO CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEN ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN PUT THOSE IN A FUTURE PROJECT.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT ONE'S BROKEN UP DIFFERENTLY.
SAME THING FOR EXCHANGE BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER WE HAD AWARDED EXCHANGE TO GO FROM 79 UP TO HOLLAND AND THEN CITY COUNCIL SAID, NOPE, WE DON'T WANNA DO ALL THAT FOCUS ON EXCHANGE AT LIVE OAK THAT JUST THE INTERSECTION.
AND THEN CITY COUNCIL CAME BACK AND SAID, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THE DESIGN FOR THE FULL THING.
AND SO THEY SAID RATHER THAN KEEP
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ADDING IN SOME SHRINKING AND GROWING THE PROJECT, JUST BREAK IT INTO TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS.UM, THEY PRIORITIZED MOVING, UH, THE 1660 NORTH EXPANSION FROM FARLEY TO ER UP FROM 2030 TO 20 26, 27.
THEY WANTED TO START THE DESIGN OF 1660 SOUTH AT, UM, FROM FRONT TO CARL STERN IN 2027.
UH, DELAY THE RECONSTRUCTION OF METCALF, WHICH IS ONE OF THE PCI ROADS THAT NEEDED TO BE RE RECONSTRUCTED.
UH, THEY SAID LET'S, I THINK I HAD PUT IT INTO LIKE 27 OR 28 AND THEY SUGGESTED DELAYING THAT BECAUSE OF ALL THE OLD TOWN STUFF THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WHICH KIND OF MAKES SENSE.
AND THEN, UH, THE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY ADDED WAS THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE CITY TAKING OVER THE DRIVE FROM HOLLAND UP TO LIMMER.
THAT'S BASICALLY EXCHANGE, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY EXCHANGE, IT'S SCHOOL DRIVEWAY.
AND SO THEY SAID WE SHOULD REALLY DO A FEASIBILITY TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT WOULD COST THE CITY BEFORE WE AGREE TO TAKE THAT OVER TO SEE WHAT ALL IS IT GONNA BE INVOLVED TO SEE IF IT'S REALLY SOMETHING WE WANNA TAKE ON.
UM, AND THEN, UM, I THINK, SORRY, WHERE DOES, WHERE DID THAT CONVERSATION COME FROM? 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT ON COUNCIL.
UH, SO THEY JUST STAFF THE STAFF TALKING ABOUT IT.
SO THERE WAS A CONVERSATION BACK IN, I DON'T KNOW, 20 17 20 18 WHERE THE ISD HAD APPROACHED THE CITY.
THE CITY BASICALLY SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED.
I GUESS IT RESURFACED WITH EITHER THE SUPERINTENDENT OR SUPER OR ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT AND LIKE CI CITY STAFF.
AND SO I BROUGHT IT UP TO P AND Z AND THEY'RE LIKE, BEFORE WE DO THAT, WE SHOULD LOOK AT A FEASIBILITY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ACTUALLY WOULD BE INVOLVED BEFORE WE'D GO FORWARD WITH TALKING TO CITY COUNCIL AND DOING THE WHOLE THING AND TAKING ALL THAT ON.
SO WE, WE ADDED THAT TO THE LIST OF CIB PROJECTS.
UH, WE ALSO WENT AHEAD AND ADDED A PROJECT FOR LIVE OAK TO GO FROM THE END, WHICH IS RIGHT OUT HERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE DEAD ENDS ALL THE WAY TO EDGE SCHMIDT, BECAUSE I KNOW WE WERE GONNA HAVE A DEVELOPER DO THAT, BUT THE, THE, THAT DEVELOPER HAS GONE AWAY AND I KNOW THAT'S A PROJECT THAT EVERYBODY THINKS IS IMPORTANT.
AND SO P AND Z THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO GO AHEAD AND ADD THAT PROJECT AS A FUTURE PROJECT.
AND THE FINAL ONE WAS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT DOING ALL THE OLD TOWN STREETS AND THEN THIS WAS AROUND THE TIME THAT YOU GUYS HAD ASKED ME TO LOOK AT PHASING OLD TOWN AND DOING ALL THE ONE WAY PARKING, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THEY SAID LET'S JUST ADD SEVERAL PHASES TO COVER THE OLD TOWN STREETS.
SO THAT'S BEEN ADDED TO THE CIP UH, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE NUMBERS THAT YOU SEE FOR THE OLD TOWN STREETS IN THERE IS NOT 100% BASED ON WHAT YOU GUYS HAD DIRECTED ME TO GO LOOK AT.
I TOOK THE NUMBERS THAT WE WERE SEEING IN THE OPCS FROM LIVE OAK AND I APPLIED IT TO THE OLD TOWN STREETS, BUT IT'S NOT A ONE-TO-ONE BECAUSE IN EVERY AREA IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
SOME AREAS WE'RE DOING ANGLE PARKING, SOME AREAS WE'RE DOING, UH, PARALLEL PARKING.
SO THOSE ARE JUST BALLPARK NUMBERS.
THEY'RE ALL FAR ENOUGH THAT I THINK WE CAN GET A DETAILED DESIGN AND GET YOU REAL NUMBERS WHERE YOU GO TO CONSTRUCTION.
WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS OR THINGS WERE THEY CONSIDERING WHEN THEY MADE MOVEMENTS TO PROJECTS? WELL LET THEM SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
SO IF YOU GUYS WANT TO GO AHEAD AND WEIGH IN P AND Z ON WHAT YOU WERE THINKING WHENEVER YOU SHIFTED STREETS AROUND OR CHANGE STREET PROJECTS OR ADDED STREET PROJECTS.
JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, NOT PROJECT BY PROJECT.
LOOKING AT, GOT MULTIPLE LIST.
I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU GUYS PUT IN THIS.
WE'RE TIRED FROM LOOKING AT THIS.
WE HAVE SPENT LITERALLY MORE, I WOULD SAY ONE 40 HOURS LOOKING AT THIS.
SO, UH, YEAH, THE FIRST TWO MEETINGS WERE 12, UH, 11 HOURS.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS AND SEVERAL, I DON'T WANNA SAY DEBATES, BUT SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS, GOOD DISCUSSIONS, THOROUGH DISCUSSIONS AROUND THIS, ABOUT THE PROJECTS.
SO THERE THERE WASN'T A LOT OF MOVEMENT OF PROJECTS.
IT WAS MORE, UH, HOW ARE THE PROJECTS BEING PAID FOR? ARE THEY BEING PAID FOR BY DEBT OR ARE THEY BEING PAID BY UH, DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THOSE WERE THE CHANGES THAT I'VE GOT ON HERE.
WE ALSO PUT, I ALSO NOTED THE, THE CHANGE TO THE TAX RATES.
UH, THE ONE MOVE WAS T 47 AND T 48 AND WE SWAPPED THOSE.
THAT WAS LIMMER LOOP EXPANSION FROM UH, INNOVATION TO ED SCHMIDT.
WE DO THAT ONE FIRST AND THEN WE DO THE ED SCHMIDT
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LIMMER PART 2 16 60 SECOND.AND THAT'S JUST SO WE'RE NOT STARTING IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN WORKING OUT TOWARDS THE END START AT ONE END ORGANIC.
WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE 1660 SOUTH, HOW WE HAVE THE PROJECT FOR COUNTY ROAD 1 99, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE, THE TIMING OF THAT.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO 1660 SOUTH AND
HOW DOES THE TIMING OF LIKE ALL OF THESE THINGS, THE TIMING OF IT MATTERS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THOSE AREAS COULD GET STUCK WITH NO WAY OUT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO CONSIDER, UM, THE TIMING OF THESE PROJECTS AND ALSO TO THE TAXPAYER LIKE RICK WAS ALLUDING TO.
UM, AND ENSURING THAT IT MAKES SENSE FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE SO THAT PEOPLE DO HAVE ALTERNATIVE MEANS OF EXIT FROM THEIR SUBDIVISIONS.
SO LIKE IF YOU GOTTA TEAR UP 1 37, I THINK WE TALKED ONCE ABOUT DOING 1 63, 1 63 'CAUSE IT WAS ALL, IT WOULD BE SHOVEL READY BEFORE 1 37, THEN 1 63, WE'LL GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT MM-HMM
BECAUSE ONCE WE TEAR UP 1 37 AND THEN DO WE TEAR UP 1 37 WITH THE, WE'RE BEHIND ON THINGS, BUT WITH THE SOUTHEAST LOOP AND 16, 16 79 ALL GOING INTO WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, CARL STERN'S THE ONLY WAY OUT, BUT THAT'S ALREADY CONGESTED, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND CHERYL WAS REAL GOOD ABOUT KEEPING US ON TRACK WITH 1660 SOUTH AND ALL OF THE PIECES THAT FEED INTO THAT 1 37 AND 1 9 9 FRONT STREET, UH, THE, THE TRAIN CROSSING, ALL OF THAT STUFF, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO SEQUENCE THAT RIGHT? SO THAT PEOPLE WEREN'T TRAPPED.
AND THERE'S NEW DEVELOPMENT ALSO.
THAT WILL BE COMING IN AS WELL THAT WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF.
THAT WILL ALSO INCREASE THE TRAFFIC ON CORNERSTONE.
SO IT'S TRYING TO, IT'S TRYING TO LIKE REMEMBER ALL OF THESE PIECES, WHICH IS A STRUGGLE, RIGHT? AND WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND WHAT'S BEING, UM, OUT LIKE FROM A FUNDING PERSPECTIVE.
SO WE DON'T KNOW, LIKE, SO WE COULDN'T REALLY CONTRIBUTE FROM A COST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN IDEA OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT VARIABLES AT PLAY WHEN IT COMES TO HOW ALL OF THESE THINGS WILL BE FUNDED.
SO PRIMARILY THE FOCUS THAT WE HAD WAS ON FROM A TAXPAYER, I'M A PERSON WHO LIVES IN THIS CITY, HOW IS THIS GONNA AFFECT ME? UM, FROM THAT LENS, NOT AS MUCH AS FAR AS LIKE, HOW WOULD THIS BE PAID FOR BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE CONTEXT RELATED TO THAT.
I THINK IT OPENED OUR EYES, UH, A LOT, UH, AT THE COST OF EVERYTHING.
UH, JUST, YEAH, EVERYTHING IS SO EXPENSIVE.
UH, SOME OF THIS, THE COST OF SOME OF THIS STUFF, UH, I NEVER REALIZED IT WOULD BE THAT THAT EXPENSIVE.
BUT I MEAN THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
WE ALSO TRY TO KEEP IN MIND IT'S BACK AND MORE, IT'S GOING TO COST US LATER.
'CAUSE COST OF MATERIALS WILL JUST STILL ONLY HAVE STILL, MY BIG THING WAS IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A, A FEASIBILITY STUDY ON A ITEM, UH, UH, VIA THE, I DON'T CARE WHAT IT IS.
IF YOU'RE GONNA DO IT IN, IN THE YEAR OF 26, DO IT AND THEN GO AHEAD AND START IN 27TH.
UM, BECAUSE A LOT OF IT TO ME, IF YOU'RE DOING IT IN 26, YOUR FEASIBILITY STUDY, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO START IT UNTIL 29.
UH, THAT, THAT DOLLAR FIGURE THERE IS USELESS TO ME BECAUSE IN 29 IT'S GONNA BE A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN 20.
SO TO ME IT IS DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
IF WE, IF IT'S FEASIBLE TO DO IT AND WE CAN DO IT, WE SHOULD, I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT IMMEDIATELY IF THE COUNCIL AGREES TO THAT.
UH, BUT TO, TO SIT AND DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY AND THEN IT JUST SIT THERE FOR THREE YEARS TO ME IS, IT'S DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME FOR THAT.
I'M NOT AN ENGINEER AND I'M NOT ALL THAT, BUT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
I WANT TO CLARIFY THE COLOR CODE.
THAT'S WHAT MORE SILENT MEANS.
UH, SO, UH, HERE LET ME JUMP OVER.
SO IF YOU HAVE A YELLOW CODE ON YOUR FEET, UM, THEN THAT MEANS IT IS, AND I'VE TRIED TO ADD IT TO SOME OF THESE SHEETS SO YOU GUYS CAN REMEMBER.
YELLOW MEANS IT'S IN DESIGN AND THE COLORS DON'T MATCH.
'CAUSE I CAN'T GET THE COLOR IN EXCEL TO MATCH EXACTLY WHAT THE COLOR THAT'S IN BLUE BEAM OR SOMETHING.
BUT GENERALLY MOTOR LIKE IS HIGHLIGHTED, THAT'S AN INDESIGN.
IF IT'S HIGHLIGHTED YELLOW, LIKE IF THE CELL ENTIRELY IS HIGHLIGHTED YELLOW,
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IT'S INDESIGN.IF IT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN LIKE A CYAN BLUISH COLOR, UH, THAT MEANS IT'S INDESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, WHICH MIGHT MEAN IT'S PHASED.
AND SO PART OF IT IS INDESIGN, PART OF IT IS IN CONSTRUCTION, OR IT COULD BE THAT PART OF IT IS BEING DONE BY A DEVELOPER AND PART OF IT'S BEING DONE BY THE CITY.
DOES THAT INCLUDE ROYAL BLUE? UH, NO, SORRY.
WELL NOT CALLED IT ROYAL BLUE, BUT IT'S, IT'S THAT BLUE, RIGHT? THAT'S BLUE
I HAD EIGHT CRAYONS IN MY BOX.
WE HAD BLUE AND YELLOW AND RED.
THAT WAS ONLY BECAUSE, UM, SO, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, ROYAL BLUE PURPLE, WHATEVER COLOR, UH, THAT'S IN CONSTRUCTION.
UH, IF IT'S BLACK BLACKED OUT, THAT MEANS IT'S COMPLETED.
SO THAT YOU WON'T SEE ON YOUR EXCEL SHEET.
BUT YOU WILL SEE THAT WHEN YOU GET TO LIKE THESE MAPS.
SO, UM, HERE, LIKE YOU CAN SEE THIS, THIS BLACK LINE HAS BEEN BLACKED OUT 'CAUSE IT'S DONE.
AND THEN THE WASTE WATER TABLE, YOU'LL SEE THESE BLACKED OUT 'CAUSE THEY'RE DONE.
HERE'S THE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE THE SAME COLOR BRO.
OKAY, THAT'S ON THE BACK OF, UH, THE BACK OF THE WATER.
WHAT'S PURPLE MEAN? PURPLE IS IN CONSTRUCTION.
WHAT WAS BLUE? LIGHTER BLUE IS IN DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, WHICH MEANS IT'S EITHER BEING DONE BY LIKE A COMBINATION OF US AND A DEVELOPER OR WE'VE GOT PHASES OF IT THAT ARE IN CONSTRUCTION, THE PHASES OF IT THAT ARE STILL IN DESIGN.
AND THEN IF IT'S THE PINK COLOR COMPLETELY, THEN THAT'S 100% DEVELOPER, WHICH JUST MEANS THAT THE ONLY THING THE CITY WOULD HAVE IS LIKE COST PARTICIPATION STUFF FROM A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ON A REIMBURSEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WHAT'S RED TYPE? THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN RED LIKE, UH, CHANGES THE TRANSPORTATION.
WE ACTUAL STUFF, THE, THE WORDS ARE IN RED.
OH, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT
OR THINGS THAT LIKE YOU GUYS HAD SEEN.
SO LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THE T 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, THOSE WERE ALL THINGS THAT YOU GUYS HAD TALKED ABOUT AT ONE POINT THAT UH, WE DECIDED SHOULD BE REMOVED AND I SHOULD JUST BE LUMPED IN WITH THE T ZERO ONE, WHICH IS THE ANNUAL SIDEWALK PROJECT.
SO I WAS TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT ALL THE DIFFERENT CHANGES THAT WERE HAPPENING SIMULTANEOUSLY.
UH, SO WE ALSO TRIED TO TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE ON APRIL 22ND, BUT WE DECIDED TO TABLE THAT BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN A LONG MEETING AND WE WANTED TO COME BACK.
UH, ON APRIL 29TH WE HAD A JOINT MEETING OF ARCS AND PNZ AND THE BIG TAKEAWAYS THERE WERE BASICALLY ANY TRAIL THAT IS AN ON STREET TRAIL, THEY SAID THAT SHOULD JUST BE PART OF THAT SHOULD JUST BE A SIDEWALK AND IT SHOULD JUST BE PART OF THE STREET PROJECT.
UH, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT WAS IN THE TRAILS MASTER PLAN YOU HAD ON STREET AND ALL STREET TRAILS, UM, AND THEY SAID WE'RE NOT EVEN GONNA WORRY ABOUT ON STREET TRAILS THAT CAN JUST BE PART OF A STREET PROJECT.
THEY SAID ALL OFF STREET TRAILS SHOULD BE DELAYED UNTIL 2030, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE STAFF WORKING ON LAND ACQUISITIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEREVER WE NEED THOSE OFF STREET TRAILS, WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT OF WAY OR THE EASEMENTS ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR WHENEVER DEVELOPERS COME IN SO THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT LATER AND FIGHT WITH THE DEVELOPER TO CALL THAT HIM BACK.
UH, THE OTHER THINGS ARE, THERE WERE SOME BIG PROJECTS THAT WERE IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
ONE OF THEM WAS ADAM OR GAIN, ONE OF THEM WAS HUDDLE LAKE PARK AND ONE OF THEM WAS THE EAST LIBERTY PARK.
AND THEY SAID BREAK THOSE INTO THREE EQUAL PHASES OVER THREE YEARS.
AND SO HU LAKE, THREE PHASES, THREE EQUAL PHASES IN THREE YEARS, STARTING IN 2026, ADAM MORGAN WAS THREE PHASES OVER THREE YEARS STARTING IN 2027 AND EAST LIBERTY PARK WAS TO START IN 2030.
BUT THE FUN THINKING ON THAT ONE WAS WE'RE DOING ALL THESE FEASIBILITY STUDIES FOR A PARKS HEADQUARTERS AND A REC CENTER AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
LIKE MAYBE THOSE WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT TO ACTUALLY PUT ON THIS EAST LIBERTY PARK WHEN WE DO THOSE FEASIBILITY STUDIES.
SO THOSE WERE THE BIG TAKEAWAYS FROM THE PARKS P AND Z, UM, JOINT SESSION P AND Z.
ANYTHING THAT I'M MISSING THERE THAT YOU WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT?
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NO, THAT PRETTY MUCH HITS IT.I I DID WANNA ADD THAT A LOT OF THE WHAT PARKS PROVIDED WAS A, I THINK A A A FIVE TO EIGHT YEAR OR EIGHT TO 10 YEAR PLAN AS OPPOSED TO THE FIVE YEAR PLAN.
SO SOME OF THOSE WERE PUSHED OUT TO 2030 'CAUSE THEY WERE OUTSIDE THE TIME OF THIS.
YEAH, THE CIP YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.
WE DID PUSH A BUNCH OF PROJECTS OUTSIDE OF THE FIVE YEAR WE, SO WE JUST DIDN'T EVEN INCLUDE 'EM IN THE, IN THE CIP LIST.
SO YOU MIGHT SEE A PARK PROJECT ON YOUR SPREADSHEET, BUT YOU WON'T SEE ANY NUMBERS THERE BECAUSE THEY SAID PUSH IT OUTSIDE OF 2030.
THE OTHER THING TO NOTE, WHEN WE WERE MEETING WITH THE PARKS BOARD, THEY WERE LOOKING, WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MATT, IT WAS A PARKS MASTER PLAN THAT WAS CREATED BY I DON'T KNOW WHO.
AND THROUGHOUT THAT CONVERSATION THERE WERE ITEMS LISTED ON THERE THAT WERE BEING REPRESENTED LIKE THE PARKS BOARD OR WANTING THESE ITEMS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE CIP AND THERE WERE MEMBERS OF THE PARKS BOARD WHO MADE COMMENTS TO ME THAT THEY HAD NEVER EVEN SEEN THAT LINE ITEM BEFORE OR THEY DIDN'T AGREE THAT THAT WAS NEEDED.
SO, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THAT MASTER PLAN THAT UM, SHOULD BE REMOVED, WHICH I THINK HAS HAPPENED.
YEAH, I THINK THERE WAS OVER HALF OF THAT MASTER PLAN WHICH JUST LINED OUT FOR THAT MEETING NOT NECESSARILY TAKEN OUT OF.
YEAH, SO FOR CONSIDERATION OF CIP WE JUST EVEN CONSIDER.
SO FOR CLARIFICATION, I HAVE NOT MODIFIED THE MASTER PLANS THAT YOU GUYS APPROVED.
WHAT WE DID, AND I CAN SHOW YOU WHAT WE DID WITH, I MEAN WE, LET'S BASICALLY A MASTER PLAN COMES, IT GETS PRESENTED.
I'VE NEVER SEEN US MAKE A CHANGE IN MASTER PLAN.
WE ACCEPT IT AS PRESENTED AND IT IS SOMEBODY I WON'T PICK ON THE DEPARTMENT.
IF YOU WAS IN THE, UM, I DON'T KNOW, SOME BUSINESS AND YOU WERE, YOU MADE MONEY ON MASTER PLAN THAT CREATED MORE WORK FOR YOU, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A VERY ROBUST PLAN.
POLICE PEOPLE COME, THEY, THEY DON'T, I MEAN 64,000 OR GO HOME, THE, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC WORKS PLAN HAS TO BE 80,000.
I MEAN EVERYBODY'S GOING FOR THE BIG SO THAT WE CAN WHITTLE IT DOWN AND IT'S JUST GONNA BE, I THINK AS PORTERFIELD BROUGHT UP, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO GET SOME SLEEPING BAGS, A COOLER LOCK OURSELVES IN THE CITY HALL AND, AND FINALLY WORK THROUGH IT BECAUSE AT SOME POINT YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON EVERYTHING.
IF I'M READING THIS RIGHT WITHOUT ANY CHANGES, NEXT YEAR'S A 27% INCREASE IN TAXES FOLLOWED BY A 63, FOLLOWED BY A MODEST 1515, THEN 118%, 118 BEING THAT'S, WE MOVED EVERYTHING TO THE END.
SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOCK OURSELVES IN AND GO WHAT CAN WE STOMACH TO SPEND? AND JUST WITHOUT STAFF AND JUST, YOU GUYS HAVE GIVEN US SOME TWEAKS HERE, WE GET ENOUGH INFORMATION AND WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S GONNA BE DISAPPOINTED, WHO'S GONNA BE HAPPY.
YOU THROW IT OUT THERE AND THEN EACH YEAR WE TWEAK IT.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WRONG RIGHT NOW IS WE KEEP TRYING TO DO 1,000,000,002 IN PROJECTS IN THE FIVE YEAR PLAN AND TRY TO CONVINCE OURSELVES THERE'S A POSSIBLE WAY TO DO IT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT WE'VE NEVER REALLY ACTUALLY VOTED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE ADOPT THIS PLAN.
LIKE WE DO THE MASTER PLANS, WE GET JUST ONE YEAR AND THEN WE'LL PUSH ALL THE NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN I THINK AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MEET.
SO WE CAN TELL YOU GUYS WHAT NOT TO WORK ON, WHAT TO MAINTAIN.
WE NEED TO TELL THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE $118 MILLION FOR DRAINAGE PROJECTS.
WE DON'T HAVE WHATEVER IT IS, 50 MILLION FOR PARKS.
WE, WE, WE JUST CAN'T, WE CAN'T BUILD 200 MILLION IN FACILITIES.
SO SOMEONE'S GOTTA BE IN A TRAILER, SOMEONE'S GOTTA GET LESS.
'CAUSE IF WE DO EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY WANTS JUST IN THE FIRST FOUR YEARS, I MEAN SOME OF THIS IS A $64 INCREASE PER MONTH, THAT'S A DOUBLING OF TAXES IN ONE YEAR.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW MOST PEOPLE ARE LIKE 1300 AND SO A $64 INCREASE PER MONTH WOULD BE, WE JUST DOUBLED YOUR TAX BILL LITERALLY IN ONE MONTH.
SO IT'S NOT EVEN A NO NEW REVENUE DISCUSSION.
IT'S A CAN WE STOMACH DOUBLING PEOPLE'S TAXES OVERNIGHT? MY GUESS IS MOST PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY NO.
SO WHAT'S GONNA HAVE TRAFFIC AGAINST SCHMIDT? CAN WE PUT A RIGHT TURN LANE IN AND SAVE 8 MILLION TODAY AND SPEND 700 GRAND PUTTING A RIGHT TURN LANE IN IF MOST OF THE PEOPLE GO RIGHT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE GIVEN US SO MUCH INFORMATION THAT I THINK IT'S, IT'S A VERY GOOD START TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE DEBATE ON.
YEAH, SO, UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS IS WHAT WE DID WITH THE PARCH MASTER PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY REMOVE PROJECTS.
WE JUST LINED 'EM OUT AND SAID EITHER IT'S GONNA BE DONE IN-HOUSE OR IT'S NOT IN THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN OR, UM, OR THAT THE PARCH BOARD DIDN'T RECOMMEND IT.
SO, UM, I TRIED TO KEEP AS DETAILED
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NOTES AS I COULD SO THAT I CAN HAND THIS OFF TO YOU GUYS BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE TO GO IN AND MAKE SOME TOUGH DECISIONS.UM, AND SO NOW YOU, YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO HELP YOU WITH THAT.
UM, SO I'M GONNA TRY TO MOVE THINGS ALONG PRETTY QUICK HERE.
UH, MAY 13TH, WE CAME BACK TO TALK ABOUT WATER.
UM, AND SO WE DID REDUCE ONE OF THE PROJECTS DOWN BECAUSE THERE IS PROJECTS ALREADY HAPPENING.
UH, SO W 15 WE REDUCED IT A LITTLE BIT WHERE POSSIBLE.
UM, THEY RECOMMENDED THAT BEFORE WE PULL THE TRIGGER ON W 27, WHICH IS THE $20 MILLION IRON REMOVAL SYSTEM BECAUSE THERE WAS DEBATE AMONGST THE P AND Z MEMBERS ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS AN ACTUAL PROBLEM BECAUSE SOME OF THEM HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED THE DISCOLORATION IN THE WATER AND SOME OF THEM HAVE IT ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND SO THEY WERE LIKE, MAYBE BEFORE WE GO SPEND $20 MILLION WE WANNA UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE THE PROBLEM IS IN THE CITY RATHER THAN HAVING EVERYBODY SUBSIDIZE A PROBLEM THAT WE MIGHT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
IT ONLY AFFECTS A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION.
I DON'T WANNA STEAL THEIR THUNDER SO THEY CAN SPEAK TO THAT MORE.
IF I HEARD RIGHT IT WAS WE TESTED 30 MILES AWAY BUT WE NEVER TESTED HERE SO YOU GOT 30 MILES IN THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
IS THAT SAFE TO SAY THAT WE HAVEN'T TESTED THE EACH NEIGHBORHOOD TO FIND OUT IS IT A CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD OR IS IT SO SO RICK CAN SPEAK TO THAT BETTER THAN I CAN.
LET ME TRY TO SUMMARIZE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AND THEN HE CAN CORRECT ME WHERE I'M WRONG.
UM, WE TESTED IT AT THE WELLS AND, AND WE KNOW THAT WE ARE WITHIN OUR LIMITS.
WE HAVE ALSO TESTED IT AT FRAME SWITCH WHERE OUR WATER COMES IN TO TAYLOR WATER AND ALL THAT.
UM, AND WE'RE WITHIN THE LIMITS.
WE HAVE NOT GONE OUT TO INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOODS OR THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM TO TEST ALL THE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
AND SO WE KNOW AT THOSE LOCATIONS WE ARE WITHIN OUR LIMITS.
WE KNOW THAT PERIODICALLY OUR WELLS WILL SPIKE.
UM, AND SO WE, WE'LL STILL BE WITHIN DRINKING WATER LIMITS BUT IT'S LESS THAN IDEAL.
SO JUST TO KIND OF HELP SUMMARIZE THAT IS PCQ HAS REQUIREMENTS.
WE MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS, BUT THERE ARE OCCASIONS WHERE THAT AMOUNT THAT'S STILL IN THE WATER TENDS TO ACCUMULATE IN CERTAIN POCKETS.
SO WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT WITHIN THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, WHICH IS MORE LOCAL.
UM, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WE'LL DO A TEST, BUT IT TAKES SEVERAL WEEKS TO GET THOSE RESULTS BACK.
SO IT'S NOT ONE OF THOSE CONTINUOUS TESTS THAT WE HAVE.
SO WE DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT OF THE PROBLEM IN THE IN TOWN.
SO THAT'S KIND OF HELPS SHAPE WHAT THE INFORMATION WE HAVE CURRENTLY
SO FROM P AND Z'S PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A CLEAR ROOT CAUSE OF WHAT IS CAUSING THE ISSUE AND AMONGST THE MEMBERS OF P AND Z WE LIVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THERE'S NO RHYME OR REASON TO WHICH OF US HAVE IT IN WHICH OF US DON'T.
SO FOR THAT REASON, WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO SPEND $20 MILLION ON SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN CONFIDENT WOULD RESOLVE THE ISSUE.
OR I GUESS IN, IN SOME ASPECTS THERE MAY BE A CHEAPER FIX IF WE FIGURE WHAT THE ISSUE IS LOCALIZED, YOU MAY SPEND $5 MILLION AS OPPOSED TO 20.
ON ON P AND C, YOU KNOW THERE WERE 2, 4, 3 MEMBERS WHO HAD NEVER HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE WATER COLORATION AND WHY ARE WE GOING TO CHARGE THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, 10, $20 A MONTH AND UH, WATER INCREASES, PAY FOR THIS $20 MILLION IRON REMOVAL SYSTEM IF THAT'S NOT WHERE THE PROBLEM IS.
BUT WE, WE DON'T KNOW THAT IRON IS CAUSING THE COLORATION OR THE SMELL, RIGHT? WE DON'T KNOW.
SO WE CAN GO IN AND SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY AND IT NEVER RESOLVED ANYTHING BESIDES THE CHINESE DRYWALL THAT STUNK.
IT SERIOUS, THERE WAS DRYWALL I'M JUST SAYING IS THAT AS AN ENGINEER WE WANNA FIND OUT WHAT THE CAUSE IS AND FIX THE CAUSE, RIGHT? SOMETHING LOCALIZED TO A NEIGHBORHOOD.
WELL YOU CAN DO A REBATE PROGRAM ON HOME FILTRATION SYSTEMS AND SPEND SOME MONEY ON FIXING IT HOUSE BY HOUSE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE A PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, AND THEY WHOLE LOT, A LOT OF REBATES TO GET UP TO 20 BILLION, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO YOU COULD FIX A COUPLE THOUSAND PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY'D STILL HAVE TO PUT, PUT MONEY IN BUT GIVE 'EM SOME MONEY TOWARDS IT.
UM, AND THEN THEY SUGGESTED BRINGING W 30 WELL TO, UH, SO W 30 IS ONE THAT YOU HAVE NOT SEEN BEFORE AND LEMME TELL YOU WHY I ADDED W 30.
IT IS NOT ON YOUR WATER MASTER PLAN, IT IS NOT ON ANY OF YOUR MASTER PLANS.
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I SAID THERE IS ONE.MY JOB AS YOUR ENGINEER IS TO HELP YOU MINIMIZE RISK.
THE BIGGEST RISK IN MY OPINION THAT FACES OUR WATER SYSTEM IS WE HAVE ONE STRAW TO DRINK FROM.
IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THAT STRAW AND EVERYBODY SAYS IT WON'T HAPPEN, BUT THE SECOND YOU SAY IT DOESN'T, IT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.
GUESS WHAT? IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THAT STRAW, YOU LOSE 4 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER A DAY UNTIL YOU CAN GET THAT STRAW FIXED AND YOU'RE TALKING 26 MILES OF PIPELINE ACROSS FARMLAND AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT ISSUE OCCURRED.
SO I SENT A MEMO UP SAYING, I THINK WE SHOULD ADD ANOTHER PROJECT.
CITY MANAGER SAID FINE, ADD THE PROJECT AND YOU'LL SEE, YOU CAN SEE WHAT PNZ AND CITY COUNCIL SAY.
SO THAT'S WHERE W 30 CAME FROM IS I LOOKED AT IT AND I SAID, THE BIGGEST RISK TO YOUR SYSTEM IS YOU HAVE ONE DRINKING STRAW THAT FEEDS YOUR ENTIRE POPULATION PRETTY MUCH.
AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THAT STRAW, YOU GUYS ARE IN A WORLD OF HURT BECAUSE WE ARE SCRAMBLING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PROVIDE 4 MILLION GALLONS A DAY TO THE CITY WHILE WE GO OUT THERE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AND HOW TO FIX IT.
MAYBE WE COULD FIX IT IN AN HOUR OR TWO, MAYBE YOU COULD FIX IT IN A DAY.
HAVING GONE THROUGH AN ISSUE IN 2018 IN THIS CITY WHERE WE LOST WATER PRESSURE FOR ABOUT 12 HOURS, I DON'T WANT TO BE BACK IN THAT SITUATION WHERE I'M ISSUING BOIL WATER NOTICES AND I'VE GOT EVERYBODY WALKING THROUGH THE WHOLE CITY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THIS PRE PROBLEM IS AT.
HAPPENED 21 OR 22 ALSO, I WASN'T HERE FOR THAT, BUT I WAS HAPPENING.
I WAS HERE IN 2018 WHEN WE HAD A WATER, A MASSIVE WATER LEAK, WE COULD NOT FIND IT.
WE WERE LOSING PRESSURE, WE COULDN'T FILL THE TOWERS.
WE HAD ISSUE BOILED WATER NOTICES.
I LITERALLY HAD TO IZE EVERYBODY IN THE CITY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THIS WALLET WAS AT.
AND SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS IS THAT WE LOOK AT A SECOND DRINKING STRAW, IF YOU WANNA CALL IT THAT.
UM, NOW THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS OF COURSE AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT I THINK I WOULD BE REMISS AS YOUR ENGINEER IF I DIDN'T RECOMMEND PUTTING THIS PROJECT AT LEAST ON THE, ON YOUR RADAR TO SAY THIS IS SOMETHING YOU GUYS SHOULD BE LOOKING AT.
MAYBE WE CAN GO TO TAYLOR OR MANGO OR JONAH OR BRA OR WHOEVER AND GET SOMETHING CHEAPER AND FASTER THAT'S POSSIBLE.
SO I'D SAY LET'S LOOK AT THAT, BUT AT LEAST WE SHOULD HAVE THE PROJECT IN HERE AS THE HOLDING PLACE TO SAY, THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE FOCUSED ON.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA RESOLVE.
SO P AND Z SAW THAT ON THERE AND THEY SAID MAYBE YOU SHOULD START DOING IT OTHER EARLIER THAN 2030.
UH, SO, UH, ANYTHING REAL QUICK, P AND Z I'M TRYING TO RUSH THROUGH THIS WITH ON ON NUMBER THREE THERE.
YEAH, IT WAS JUST GENERALLY LOOKING AT, OKAY, WE DON'T WANT TO DO SIDE BY SIDE PIPELINE 'CAUSE THAT REALLY DOESN'T FIX THE PROBLEM OF HAVING ONE STRAW.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT IS, IS THERE AN ALTERNATE PATH OUR WATER CAN TAKE TO GET HERE? YEAH, I THINK I ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY I THINK WE, WE DECIDED THAT THERE IS A, THIS ONE AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT I THINK WE WERE SAYING WE WOULD AGREE TO.
UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I DON'T NEED TO REMEMBER WHERE IT WAS GOING FROM THAT WAS GOING DOWN THROUGH
UM, WHICH 73 MILLION IS AN ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION OR IS THAT ACQUISITION OF LAND ALSO OVER THE 30 BUCKS? UH, SO THAT WE U SO WE BORROWED THE PER UNIT COST FROM THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING WITH RECHARGE FOR THEIR EFFORTS TO CONSTRUCT A PIPELINE AND COLLECT EASEMENTS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND SO WHEN THEY ROUNDED IT ALL UP INTO A DOLLAR PER FOOT OF PIPE, THAT'S HOW WE GOT THAT NUMBER ON THAT PROJECT.
IS THAT THE ONE WHERE YOU SAID THAT IN THE EVENT OUR STRAW BROKE THAT WE DO HAVE SUPPORT FROM JONAH AND MENVILLE IN THE EVENT THAT WE NEEDED IT? LIKE THERE'S, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE JUST COMPLETELY UP A CREEK, RIGHT? WHERE WE HAVE LIKE NO WATER, LIKE SO YEAH, SO WE DO HAVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH JONAH THAT SAYS THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE US UP TO 1 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
WE HAVE THE 800,000 THAT WE GET FROM INDO JUST SLIGHTLY OVER 800,000.
UM, AND WE DO HAVE THE 350,000 THAT WE GET FROM TAYLOR AND TAYLOR HAS BEEN KNOWN TO LET US TAKE MORE WATER ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS.
IN THE PAST WHENEVER WE NEEDED TO, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
BUT JUST LIKE WITH JONAH, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
SO IT'S NOT THAT WE WOULD LOSE, WE LOSE 4 MILLION FROM OUR WELLS, WE JUST DON'T HAVE 4 MILLION.
THERE ARE SOURCES THAT WE COULD GO GET A LITTLE EXTRA FROM, BUT IT'S NOT 4 MILLION.
YOU ARE NOT GONNA GET A STAGE TWO.
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THE WELL, YOU'RE GONNA BE IN FULL ON LIKE STAGE FIVE.YEAH, NOBODY'S WASHING THEIR CAR.
NOBODY'S DOING ANYTHING EXTRA.
UM, MATT, IF YOU GET A, GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE BRA SOURCE AND THE TIMING FOR THAT.
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY NOT HOLDING IT TO WE, WE WERE STILL IN CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL THESE GROUPS.
SO TWO WEEKS AGO I THINK WE TALKED TO MANVILLE, UH, LAST WEEK WE TALKED TO TAYLOR.
UH, WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL OF THEM.
WE DON'T HAVE TIMELINES YET BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T TOLD ANYBODY HOW MUCH EXTRA WATER WE WANT AT THIS POINT.
AND SO THEY, THEY CAN'T COMMIT TO ANYTHING BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T COMMITTED TO ANYTHING.
SO MATT, IF IF THE STRAW BREAKS AND WE'RE ABLE TO GET WATER FROM THESE, THESE OTHER SUPPLIERS, WHERE DOES THAT WATER GO TO? BECAUSE IF THE STRAW'S BROKEN, WELL, SO OUR LINE GOES FROM SHILOH INTO FRAME SWITCH.
TAYLOR FEEDS INTO FRAME SWITCH.
MANVILLE FEEDS INTO CARL STERN AND JONAH IS CONNECTED TO US ON THE NORTH SIDE.
SO IF THE STRAW BREAKS, WE STILL HAVE THREE OTHER WATER SOURCES THAT COME STRAIGHT INTO TOWN.
THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR WATER COMES THROUGH THAT STRAW.
AND SO 20 MILES OR SOMETHING, IT'S LIKE 26 MILES OF PIPELINE.
SO, UH, AND THEN WE, WE VISITED DRAINAGE ON MAY 13TH.
UH, SO BASICALLY, UH, WE BROKE THE D THREE PROJECT UP INTO MULTIPLE PHASES AND IT WAS A BIG, BIG, BIG PROJECT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY NOW YOU SEE THAT IT IS D THREE THROUGH D 13 TRYING TO PHASE IT OUT SO THAT YOU GUYS AREN'T HAVE TO TAKE A HUGE CHUNK, UH, TO FIX THAT DRAINAGE PROJECT.
THIS IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO HURRY TO GET TO, UH, BECAUSE UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED BACK IN MARCH WHEN I TALKED TO THEM WAS THAT UH, WE, YOU GUYS WANTED ENZ TO GIVE YOU KIND OF
UM, ENZ DID NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE, UH, TO THE POINTS THAT WERE MADE EARLIER.
THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THE BACKGROUND AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND DIFFERENT SOURCES OF MONEY AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO, UM, AND I, I DON'T WANT TO SAY THIS THE WRONG WAY.
SO YOU GUYS JUMP IN AND AND CORRECT ME, THEY KIND OF KICKED THE CAN BACK TO YOU GUYS AND SAID NOPE, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
SO CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT.
UM, THEY ALSO SAID, AND I THINK THIS IS IN LINE WITH SOME OF THE CITY COUNCIL CONVERSATIONS THAT WE SHOULD BE IGNORING SKYBOX FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES.
SO WE SHOULD ONLY BE LOOKING AT THE WITHOUT SKYBOX NUMBERS.
UH, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BANK ON SOMETHING WITHOUT KNOWING THAT IT'S A GUARANTEED IT WILL HAPPEN NO MATTER WHAT.
NOBODY'S GONNA STEP IN AND CHANGE ANYTHING ON US.
UM, DOESN'T MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE HERE.
LIKE A COUPLE BUCKS THERE AND THERE EACH.
RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE INCREASES UH, FOR YOUR INF AND THEN YOU HAVE THE SAME INCREASES, WELL NOT THE SAME.
YOU HAVE INCREASES FOR YOUR O AND M FOR YOUR UTILITIES AND I HAVE CONFIRMED WITH ALBERTA THAT MY NUMBERS BASICALLY MATCH THE NUMBERS THAT SHE WOULD RUN.
SO WHEN YOU SEE THE INCREASES, LIKE I'VE DONE THE MATH CORRECTLY.
ALRIGHT, WE GOTTA WRAP THIS UP.
WHAT I WOULD SAY ON COUNCIL IN LIKE I GOT SOME NOTES AND SOME THINGS TO ADD LIKE WHERE IT SAYS INCREASE WITHOUT FACILITIES TO PUT TAX INCREASE WITHOUT, BECAUSE I'M HOPING WE'LL BE A SHOWS TO THE PUBLIC, BUT IF YOU GUYS GO THROUGH IT, IF YOU GOT QUESTIONS, CAN YOU LET MATT OW KNOW HE'LL GET INTO THE PROPER PEOPLE.
THAT WAY WHEN WE MEET AS WE COME UP WITH THE DATA MEET, WE CAN DIG THROUGH THIS AND REALLY GRIND THROUGH IT WITHOUT, MY HOPE IS STAFF WON'T BE THERE THE WHOLE TIME THAT WE'LL JUST DO OUR OWN.
'CAUSE I THINK HONESTLY YOU'VE GIVEN US SO MUCH INFORMATION OVER THE TIME WE CAN FILL THESE GUYS IN.
IT'S HOW MUCH MONEY YOU CAN STOP MAKING IN HOW MUCH YOU CAN FIT IN A DIFFERENT YEAR.
AND WE'RE GOT TO MAKE HARD CHOICES AND IT REALLY DOESN'T NEED YOU GUYS TO BE THERE ON YOUR SATURDAY.
IT'S REALLY US HAVING TO, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ADD IS THOSE OTHER SHEETS THAT I HAD UP, WE DID NOT PRINT THEM OUT AND HAND THEM TO YOU GUYS.
BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT BEFORE YOU SIT DOWN AND START CUTTING THROUGH PROJECTS THAT MAYBE WE CAN PUT IT IN A DROPBOX OR SOMETHING FOR THEM.
ALL THOSE OTHER PDFS SO THAT YOU CAN, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AND YOU GO, OKAY, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THIS PROJECT IS, YOU CAN PULL UP ONE OF THOSE MASTER PLANS AND SEE WHERE I GOT IT FROM.
FOR THE MOST PART, I JUST TOOK THE MASTER PLAN PROJECT.
IF YOU COULD DO THAT ALL 11 BY 17 AND THE MAPS WHERE YOU HAD THE COLOR CODED LINES ALSO TO WHERE WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.
'CAUSE I I DON'T THINK HE WAS JOKING.
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I'M NOT JOKING AT ALL.YOU HAVE THIS IN A DIGITAL FORMAT AS WELL TO DROP IN THAT FOLDER.
A LOCKED A LOCKED VERSION SPREADSHEET.
IT'S NOT LOCKED BUT WE CAN LOCK IT I GUESS.
SO YOU CAN'T CHANGE ANY OF MY FORMULAS.
THAT'S SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE LIKE PLATFORM.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? WE ADJOURN.
MATT, ER, WHEN, WHEN DO YOU MAKE THE DECISION BACK? HE STATED THAT WE GIVE THE DATE.
WELL MATT SAID THAT WE STATE, I I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS FITS IN THE TIMELINE OF DECISION.
I THINK, WELL IT'LL HAPPENED QUICK.
THIS HAPPENED IN THE PAST BUT I THINK I'LL HAVE YOU AN ANSWER BY OCTOBER 1ST.
I THINK JAMES IS GONNA HAVE TO PRESENT HIS BUDGET TO YOU GUYS BY JULY 31ST.
AND I THINK THIS FIGURES IN PRETTY HEAVILY.
SO, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW BEFORE JULY 31ST AND THEN ALSO UH, ALBERTA, CORRECT ME IF I'M, I'M WRONG, BUT IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO ISSUE MORE DEBT TO START PROJECTS ON OCTOBER 1ST, WE WOULD NEED TO LIKE TIME IT SO THAT WE ARE GOING OUT FOR THE BOND ISSUANCE IN LIKE AUGUST, SEPTEMBER TIMEFRAME, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, IT'LL BE THE UH, SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST IS WHEN WE'LL NEED TO START THE PROCESS TO WHERE UM, WE CAN HAVE THE FUNDING IN DECEMBER SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HALT ANY PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT HE'S WORKING ON WITH WATER AND WASTEWATER RIGHT NOW.
IF WE NEED THE MONEY THEN IF YOU NEED TO BORROW MORE MONEY, YES.
IF WE WANNA MOVE LIVE OAK, LIVE OAK'S NOT BE READY FOR A YEAR, WE WANNA MOVE TO 10 MILLION.
WE HAVE A BANK FOR LIVE OAK TO FUND A DIFFERENT PROJECT WE DON'T NEED.
RIGHT? YOU DON'T NEED TO ISSUE MORE DEBT.
I WOULD SAY FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT, THE LEANER ALL THE DIRECTORS, EVERYBODY CAN MAKE IT.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE RAISING TAXES 27%.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TIGHTEN THE BELT TO WHERE ONE MORE NOTCH PASS WHAT'S COMFORTABLE AND GET EVERYBODY TO BE SUPER LEAN.
I THINK BEFORE YOU'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF PEOPLE GO AND WE CAN POP TAXES 70% THIS, YOU KNOW, IN TWO YEARS IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
I MEAN EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO HURT FOR WELL AT LEAST TILL 2030.
UH, AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE PROBABLY OUTSIDE OF THAT AND I THINK THAT'LL BE HELPFUL, MATT, FOR US BECAUSE IF YOU GUYS PRESENT A BUDGET AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO WHITTLE DOWN 60 FTE INCREASE AND ALL THAT, THEN THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE A WASTE.
IF YOU GUYS ARE COMING IN LIKE, HEY WE, WE CUT SPEND WHEREVER WE COULD, WE'RE BORROWING, YOU KNOW, FURNITURE FROM ROUND ROCK TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
I THINK THAT'S EASIER FOR US TO MOVE STUFF AROUND.
OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA BE DEBATING BUDGETS BEFORE WE DEBATE PROJECTS.
UH, IT'S A TOUGH SITUATION FOR EVERYBODY TO BE IN, BUT UM, THERE'S OTHER PLACES I'D RATHER NOT BE AND SO I'D STILL RATHER BE HERE DEALING WITH THIS MESS THAN SOME CITIES I'VE DRIVEN BY THAT ARE BEGGING FOR MCDONALD'S TO SHOW UP.
ANYTHING I'M MISSING THAT YOU GUYS CAN THINK OF THAT WE NEED FROM THEM? BECAUSE WE'LL PROBABLY TALK TONIGHT ABOUT WHEN'S THE SATURDAY WE CAN MEET AND JULY 4TH WE GOTTA BE THERE AT NINE O'CLOCK SO WE CAN ALWAYS
YOU WANNA SEE SOME REAL FIREWORKS, HUH? AH, UH, WELL DURING THE 6:53 PM.