[Planning and Zoning on July 8, 2025]
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I WILL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR TUESDAY, JULY 8TH TO ORDER.
I HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER STEWART HERE.
AND WELCOME COMMISSIONER DE DELAY.
ALRIGHT, NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? WE DID NOT.
ALRIGHT, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON FROM PUBLIC COMMENT TO CONSENT AGENDA.
CONSENT AGENDA IS UH, 4.1 CONSIDERATION IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JUNE 3RD, 2025.
4.2 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO DISAPPROVE THE PROPOSED STROMBERG.
PRELIMINARY PLAT 3 2 7 0.14 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND CONSISTING OF RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, COMMERCIAL, AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES LOCATED SOUTH OF CR 1 32, APPROXIMATELY ONE MILE WEST OF FM 33 49.
4.3 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED URBANA AT LIER LOOP.
FINAL PLAT, 20.33 ACRES, MORE OR LESS LAND.
ONE MULTIFAMILY LOT LOCATED ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF LIER LOOP.
4.4 CONSIDERATION, IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED GOLA.
TWO ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND 133 RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND FOUR OPEN SPACE LOTS LOCATED ON FM 1660 SOUTH AND 4.5 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED COTTONWOOD PHASE SIX AMENDED PLAT 36.373 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND.
ONE MULTI-FAMILY LOT LOCATED ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF LIMMER LOOP.
AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ANY OBJECTION TO PULLING 4.2? NO HEARING NONE.
ANY OBJECTION TO PULLING 4.3? NO.
ANY OTHERS? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 4.1, 4.4 AND 4.5 AS PRESENTED.
I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT CONSENT AGENDA 4.1, 4.4 AND 4.5 AS PRESENTED.
MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER STEWART AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WORTZ.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
UH, YEAH, JOHN, THE ONLY REASON WHY I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP WAS, UM, EXCUSE ME.
UM, HAVEN'T WE SEEN THE, THIS SEVERAL TIMES ALREADY? READY? YES, WE HAVE.
UM, SO IT HAS TO BY STATE LAW KEEP COMING BACK TO Y'ALL UNTIL IT'S EITHER APPROVED OR APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.
UH, IT'S NOT AT THAT POINT YET.
SO, UM, HOW MANY TIMES CAN THEY BRING IT BEFORE US? THERE'S NO LIMIT.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO LIMIT IF, IF THEY DON'T WAIVE IT HAS TO BY, YOU KNOW, STATE LAW.
OTHERWISE IT'D BE STATUTORILY APPROVED.
UM, SO THERE'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO KNOW.
I MEAN, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HAVE THAT WAIVER, UM, IT'LL, IT'LL KEEP COMING BACK TO Y'ALL.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT IT.
ANYTHING ELSE ON 4.2 THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 4.2.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT FOR 4.2 AS WRITTEN.
I'M JUST GONNA SIT HERE AND BE QUIET FOR A WHILE.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WORT ON SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STEWART.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE.
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ALL OPPOSED? SAME SIGN.SO FOR 4.3 THIS, UM, I WAS LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN AND IT INDICATED, DON'T ASK ME WHAT PAGE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE IT'S ON.
WHAT PAGE? I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE IT'S ON, BUT THERE'S REFERENCE TO A DOG PARK AND THERE'S ALSO REFERENCE TO, UM, INTERNAL TRAILS.
AND I DUNNO IF THE DEVELOPER IS HERE BY ANY CHANCE FOR, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT URBANA DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT.
SO THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, THEY HAVE INTERNAL TRAILS, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY COOL.
I WANNA SEE IF THEY WOULD CONSIDER CONNECTING THEM TO THE CITY TRAILS.
UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE PRETTY NEAT IF WE COULD GET THAT DONE.
UM, BUT ALSO IT, IT REFERENCED SOMEWHERE A DOG PARK.
BUT THEN WHEN I LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, THERE'S NO DISTINCTION OF WHERE EXACTLY THAT WOULD BE.
SO I'M JUST WANTING CLARIFICATION ON, UM, LIKE SAYS ONE THING, BUT WHERE ARE YOU ACTUALLY GONNA DO IT KIND OF THING.
THIS IS AR BONO, RIGHT? LOOKS LIKE IT'S PAGE 86.
BUT THEY'RE NOT HERE TO ANSWER IT, SO IT'S OKAY.
THAT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE A THAT'S FEEDBACK.
WE CAN, YEAH, IT'S JUST FEEDBACK.
IT'S NOT LIKE A MAJOR DEAL BREAKER OR ANYTHING FOR ME.
WE CAN PASS THAT ALONG TO THEM.
AND I SUBMITTED TWO QUESTIONS FOR ENGINEERING.
SO DO YOU WANNA SHARE WHAT THOSE QUESTIONS WERE? UH, REAL SIMPLE QUESTIONS JUST SINCE I'VE BEEN ON HERE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS MM-HMM
UH, LOOKING AT THE DETENTION POND AND THE LIFT STATION.
THEIR PROXIMITY TO THAT FENCE FOR THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M JUST WONDERING 'CAUSE IT'S HARD TO TELL ON THE SITE PLAN HOW MUCH SPACE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE AS COMMISSIONER WORTZ CAN ATTEST THE, UH, THAT'S A VERY VALID POINT.
THE, UH, FENCING DOESN'T HOLD UP WELL ONCE THOSE, UM, ANGLED CUTS START TO GIVE WAY AND COLLAPSE.
SO JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT ONE.
DEFINITELY NOT HOLDING UP THE PLA LEVEL.
BUT VERY MUCH A HEY, WHAT'S THIS? THIS IS, YEAH, I'LL GET THOSE QUESTIONS OVER TO THE CITY ENGINEER AND THEN I CAN SHARE THOSE WITH Y'ALL.
I KNOW ABOUT AS 10 FOOT 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT USUALLY IS.
IT'S A 10 FOOT SETBACK ON THOSE THINGS USUALLY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M SEEING 15 AND TWENTIES YEAH.
ON, ON ONE OF THE SITE PLANS AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, IS THAT 15 FEET? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT.
BUT THAT WAS IT FOR THE, UM, 4.3 ALMOST.
I THOUGHT OF ONE MORE QUESTION THAT WELL, OKAY.
THE OTHER QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK, UM, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT, ARE THEY USING THE REVISED HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN OR ARE THEY USING THE PREVIOUS ONE? ATLAS 14? YES.
I THINK IT IS CALLED ATLAS 14.
I BELIEVE IT'S ATLAS 14 THAT WE ARE USING.
I CAN CONFIRM WITH THE ENGINEERING TEAM, BUT THAT LAST I HEARD THAT WAS THE MOST RECENT THAT WE WERE USING 2014.
IF WE CAN GET CONFIRMATION ON THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT, I THINK WE NEED TO REVISE IT.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON 4.3? ALL RIGHT.
HEARING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 4.3.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STEWART AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WORTZ.
UM, AS FAR AS THE QUESTIONS GO, I DON'T WANNA HOLD THIS UP.
COULD I PUT A CONDITION AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, A CONDITION THAT WE RECEIVE A BRIEF BACK FROM ENGINEERING ON THOSE QUESTIONS? HMM.
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OUT WITH THE ENGINEERING TEAM.UM, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET WITH MATT HOPEFULLY TOMORROW.
UM, AND THEN, UM, ONCE I GET A RESPONSE FROM HIM, I DON'T MIND, YOU KNOW, PASSING THAT INFORMATION ALONG TO Y'ALL.
YEAH, Y'ALL SHOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION, I MEAN, THIS WEEK.
SO YOU'RE GOING, DO YOU WANT TO PUT AN AMENDMENT? NO, NO, I'M ASKING IS THAT OKAY.
AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT CONTINGENT UPON RECEIPT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY ENGINEER? NO, NO, NO CONTINGENT OR ANYTHING.
JUST AN ADD-ON BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NOT A PLACE TO PUT THAT ELSEWHERE.
SO PROOF VOID 0.3 IS PRESENTED WITH THE ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK REQUIRED FROM THE CITY THAT THAT STAFF WILL GIVE, THAT STAFF WILL PROVIDE.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? NO.
ALRIGHT, THEN WE WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED MEADOWBROOK.
PRELIMINARY PLAT, 87.8 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND 335 WATTS LOCATED ON ON FM 1660 SOUTH.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS FOR THE RECORD.
SO THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLOT THAT WE HAVE BEFORE Y'ALL TONIGHT.
UH, THAT CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY, IT'S JUST A LITTLE OVER 87 ACRES OF LAND.
UH, IT'S GONNA BE BOTH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND A DU DUPLEX RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
UM, THIS ISN'T A-A-P-U-D OR A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO THAT PUD UH, INCLUDES BOTH, AGAIN, THAT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES THAT'LL BE ON, UM, 50 TO 60 FOOT LOTS IN ATTACHED TOWN, UH, HOME UNITS, WHICH IS GONNA BE PROVIDING BOTH THAT MOVE UP HOME AND ATTAINING HOUSING OPTIONS IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH OF COURSE IS WHAT IS UM, CALLED OUT IN OUR OSA 2040 OR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, AND THAT DEFINITION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER.
UM, SO BY ALLOWING THAT COMBINATION OF THAT DIVERSE RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN A COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE DESIGNED TO CREATE A WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT.
AND THEN, UM, THE IMAGE SHOWS THE, UM, LAYOUT OF, OF THE LOT.
THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO LOTS THERE AS YOU CAN SEE.
UH, SO THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY THE FALLING LAND USES.
UM, MOST OF IT'S GONNA BE UNDEVELOPED ETJ TO THE NORTH.
YOU DO HAVE THE COTTON BROOK NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
UM, AGAIN TO THE SOUTHEAST AND WEST.
IT'S UNDEVELOPED ETJ AND INCLUDING INTO THAT SOUTH.
YOU DO HAVE SOME OF THAT SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS ETJA PROPOSAL IS TO DEVELOP THE TRACT WITH ATTACH AND DETACH RESIDENTIAL UNITS, UM, WITH MAXIMUM DENSITY OF APPROXIMATELY 7.55 UNITS PER ACRE.
THAT IS WITHIN THAT ALLOW DENSITY OF FOUR TO 20 UNITS PER ACRE.
THAT IS IN THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, WITH THE FLOODPLAIN AT THE SOUTH OF THE TRACK AND LACK OF ACCESS TO OTHER MAJOR COLLECTOR OF ARTILLERY.
THE, UH, DESIRED 50 50 SPLIT BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL USES IS NOT GONNA BE FULLY ATTAINED, ALTHOUGH THERE WILL BE COMMERCIAL THAT IS PROVIDED ALONG FM 1660 SOUTH OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN.
THE SHOCK CLOCK BILL WAS VOLUNTARILY WAIVED.
HERE WE HAVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THAT OF COURSE IS IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL.
UH, PRELIMINARY PLAT DOES SHOW SIDEWALKS, UM, WHICH ARE EXPECTED TO BE FEE IN LIEU.
UM, DURING THE FINAL PLAT, UH, PHASING, UH, PRELIMINARY PLAT MEETS THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE LISTED OUT IN THE UDC AND UM, IT'S RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE LOT TABLE IS, UH, IS UPDATED AS REQUESTED.
I DO BELIEVE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:15 PM IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COME ON UP, SIR.
UH, AND PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME.
I WOULD BE THE NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, MY PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY ALMOST TWO ACRES.
I BACK UP RIGHT TO THE MIDDLE OF COTTONWOOD CREEK.
UM, I DID SEND IN A FORM, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THAT OR NOT.
I DID EMAIL THE ZONING AND PLANNING SOME PICTURES, VIDEOS, EVERYTHING OF WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH COTTONWOOD CREEK FROM THE MEMORIAL DAY FLOODS, INCLUDING UP TO, UH, THE CURRENT, UH, FLOODS THAT WE SAW OVER JULY 4TH WEEKEND.
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MY MAIN CONCERN IS BEING UPSTREAM FROM THIS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CREEK, IS WHAT IS GONNA BE DONE TO PREVENT FLOODING.I'VE SEEN THIS CREEK IS, IT'S CONSTANTLY RUNNING ALL THE TIME AS IT IS.
IT COMES OUT OF HIS BANKS WITH THREE OR FOUR INCHES AT A TIME.
UH, WATER'S GONNA BACK UP SOMEWHERE.
AND WITH THE ADDITION OF ALL THE CONCRETE ASPHALT HOMES, RUNOFF EVERYTHING ELSE, WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE ME IN THREE TO FIVE.
SO ANOTHER ISSUE I HAVE IS ON THE LETTER THAT I RECEIVED, IT SAYS, AT THE VERY TOP IT SAYS 318 RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
AND THEN UNDER THIS, UH, SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER'S RESPONSE, IT SHOWS THAT THERE'S 338 RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
IS THAT A MISPRINT OR IS THERE 20 ADDITIONAL HOUSES IN THERE THAT ARE NOT ACCOUNTED FOR? GOOD QUESTION.
THE, OH, THESE ARE SO TINY HERE.
I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU IN A SECOND.
I'M GONNA USE, OKAY, MY CHEATER NOT HARD TO SEE.
OKAY, SO IT MUST JUST BE A TYPO AT THE BEGINNING HERE.
IT SAYS 3 35 ON THE, UM, UH, ON, ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PAGE ONE ON THE AGENDA.
RIGHT ON ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IT SAYS 3 38.
IT SAYS 3 38, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S INCREDIBLY SMALL, WHICH IS WHY I'M USING THIS.
YEAH, I CAN, ON THE NOTICE THAT YOU RECEIPT IS JUST A TYPO AT THE TOP.
YEAH, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S 3 38 ON THE PLAT.
UH, SO I HAVEN'T SEEN THE CURRENT FLOODPLAIN OF THAT AREA PROBABLY SINCE 10 YEARS AGO.
UM, I KNOW A LOT OF THAT PROBABLY CLOSE TO THREE ACRES THAT'S GONNA BE IN FRONT OF THAT CREEK CLOSEST TO 1660 THAT'S BEING INCURRED INTO THIS IS ALL FLOODPLAIN.
ANY IDEA OF WHAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING RIGHT PAST MY FENCE IN THE COUNTRY.
SO, UH, CAN WE PULL UP THE PLA SHEET BECAUSE PLANT, UH, PLANT PAGE SIX LOOKS LIKE A PRETTY GOOD REPRESENTATION.
IT'S GOT THE 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN CALLED OUT AND IF WE CAN PULL THAT UP ONTO THE SCREEN, I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
DID Y'ALL RECEIVE MY EMAIL PICTURES LETTER? I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHY I EVEN DID THAT.
NO, I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT.
I WAS GONNA GET WITH YOU AFTER, UM, DO YOU KNOW WHEN YOU SENT IT YESTERDAY? UH, NO, I DON'T THINK WE DID, BUT NONE OF Y'ALL HAVE NO SIR.
AVAILABILITY TO THE PUBLIC EMAIL.
IT GOES TO THEM AND THEY SHARE IT WITH US.
SOMEBODY DIDN'T CHECK THEIR, IF Y ALL CHECK YOUR EMAILS TODAY.
WE DON'T HAVE CITY EMAIL ADDRESSES.
SO WHY DID I SEND IT TO THE CITY? SO IT GOES TO CITY STAFF AND CITY STAFF THEN SHARE THAT WITH US.
WHO DROPPED THAT BALL THAT, THAT CITY STAFF HAD TO KNOW? THIS WAS IN THE AGENDA TONIGHT, RIGHT? YEP.
OLD HUDDLE, NOT, NOT SURE WHO, WHO DROPPED THE BALL.
UM, TYPICAL BUT WE HAVE THE, UH, I'LL JUST SHUT UP AND USE MY CRAYONS.
DO WE HAVE THAT JOHN, OR NO? I'M, I'M LOOKING FOR IT RIGHT NOW.
SO AT, AGAIN, THIS IS QUITE SMALL, BUT, UH, DIDN'T, SEVERAL MEETINGS AGO, DIDN'T MATT TELL US THAT WILLIAMSON COUNTY WAS IN THE PROCESS OR THEY HAVE ALREADY RE-LOOKED AT THE FLOODPLAIN AND THE WHOLE COUNTY AND SUBMITTED THAT TO FE CORRECT.
THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED TO FEMA.
WE'RE WAITING FOR FEMA TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT AND ACCEPTED AS PERMANENT RECORD.
SO, AND HE WAS, DIDN'T HE SAY HE WAS EXPECTING IT BY THE END OF THE YEAR? IT'S, HE SAID THAT FEMA DOESN'T HAVE A TIMETABLE THAT THEY WILL, UM, LIKE COMMIT TO, BUT THAT IT COULD BE UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR FOR FEMA TO ACCEPT THE NEW FLOODPLAIN.
BUT I DO THINK SO THAT WHEN THEY DO ACCEPT IT IS WHEN DEVELOPMENT IS MY UNDERSTANDING HAVE TO ABIDE BY THAT REVISED FLOODPLAIN.
FOR ANYTHING THAT THEY'RE DOING.
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BACK TO THE QUESTION THAT I WAS ASKING EARLIER WITH THAT OTHER ITEM.WHAT FLOODPLAIN ARE WE REFERRING TO WITH ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT GOING FORWARD? BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE THAT REVISED ONE THAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT, RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK AS OF TODAY IT'S, WE'RE STILL ON ATLAS 14 AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2014.
I WANNA SAY IT WAS ADOPTED IN 20 OR 21.
I JUST KNOW THAT MATT TOLD US THAT WILLIAMSON COUNTY WAS REQUIRED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO RE RE-LOOK AT ALL THEIR COUNTY FOR FLOOD AND THAT THEY, THEY HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THAT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND IT, THEY HAVE SENT IT TO THE GOVERNMENT AND WE'RE DEALING WITH THE GOVERNMENT.
SO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS,
RIGHT WHEN WE SAW IT AND WE DID A COMPARE, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION, BUT IT WAS VERY DIFFERENT.
HURO AS A WHOLE WAS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT.
UM, I'VE SEEN A FEW DIFFERENT ONES.
I KNOW THE ONE YEAR I FOUGHT PROPERTY TAXES, THEY ACCIDENTALLY SHOWED ME ONE THAT RAN ALL THE WAY THROUGH MY FRONT YARD THAT THEY QUICKLY
SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE ACCURATE PLAN IS OF THE FLOOD PLANE.
UM, YEAH, SO I'VE, I'VE GOT, UH, THE 500 YEAR ON THIS ONE, WHICH IT'S, IT SAYS 500 YEAR FEMA FLOOD LANE ON PAGE SIX.
AND THAT DOES CERTAINLY CUT BASICALLY RIGHT ALONG 1660 SOUTH.
UH, THERE'S A SLIVER FOR THE ACCESS ROAD TO GET INTO THE COMMUNITY.
OKAY, WELL WHO OWNS, WHO OWNS THAT? DID YOU SAY IT WAS THREE ACRES? UH, WELL IT'S, I OWN TWO ACRES JUST NEXT TO IT, BUT THE CREEK RUNS BEHIND ME AND COMES UNDER 1660.
SO THERE'S LIKE A LITTLE CLOSE TO PROBABLY A PARCEL OF THREE ACRES RIGHT NEXT TO ME THAT I, IT'S GOTTA BE IN THE FLOOD PLAIN.
'CAUSE I KNOW WHEN I CLOSED ON MY HOUSE 10 YEARS AGO, I HAD LIKE FIVE FEET IN THAT BACK CORNER THAT WAS RIGHT THERE.
AND WHEN I HAD SAW THAT MAP, IT, IT, IT RAN ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH THAT.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS PLANNED ON BEING A PARK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
SO UNLESS YOU GUYS THINK THIS IS A BREACH OF PROTOCOL, I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS OVER AND WELL, JOHN, ARE YOU ABLE TO FIND PAGE 1 53 IN OUR PACKET? UH, I WAS TRYING TO FIND THE EMAIL.
I DO NOT SEE THAT EMAIL AT ALL.
SO I DO YOU HAVE MIND RE RECEIPT? SEND RECEIPT, RE FORWARDING IT.
DO YOU GUYS THINK THAT WOULD BE TOO IRREGULAR? DID SHE GIVE THAT TO YOU? NO, NO, NO.
I THINK HE NEEDS A MAGNIFIER 'CAUSE I I KNOW I DO.
YEAH, IT'S JUST GONNA BE, IF YOU WANNA COME UP HERE, COME ON UP.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE MY NAME SINCE WE CAN'T UH, CAN'T PULL IT UP.
THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
I'VE GOT THE 500 YEAR FEMALE FLOOD PLAIN AND YOU CAN, IT'S VERY LIGHT, BUT THAT'S MY CHEAT
I'LL JUST ZOOM IN ON THAT FIVE HOUR.
SEE AND I'M RIGHT, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT? THIS IS THE, THIS IS THAT LITTLE HOUSE.
RIGHT NEXT TO THE CREEK I BELIEVE.
YEAH, THE CREEK COMES DOWN THIS WAY.
SO I'M THIS LITTLE, THAT LITTLE SQUARE SLIVER RIGHT THERE.
AND YOU GOT PLUG ON YOUR PROPERTY WAY IN THE WAY AND THAT, AND THIS IS THAT LITTLE THREE ACRES OR SO AND THE OVER YOU OVER HERE, THE OTHER SIDE OF WHERE IT COMES UNDER.
THAT WAS MY LAST QUESTION OF WHAT ACCESS ARE THEY GONNA HAVE FROM 1660? IS ALL THE HOUSING COMING IN THIS WAY OR FROM HERE? RIGHT NOW WE DON'T SHOW RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, IF Y'ALL WOULD'VE IT SENSE NEXT TO THIS HOUSE BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT CREEKS ON, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA COME IN OFF 1660 HERE.
SO RICK, RICK, I OVERHEARD THE DEVELOPER SAY THEY'RE HERE.
DID I OVERHEAR YOU CORRECTLY? ARE YOU THE DEVELOPER? YES.
SO WE CAN HAVE THEM ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WELL ONCE WE'RE DONE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
YEAH, SO THERE'S THE 1660 ACCESS AND THEN THIS
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WILL ACCESS THROUGH A DIFFERENTSO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANYTHING GOING THIS WAY BECAUSE THIS IS ALL FLOOD PLAIN.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE LIKE TWO CONNECTIONS.
NOW WHERE'S YOUR POCKET? HE'S RIGHT HERE.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS HERE, WHICH IS EASIER TO SEE THIS MM-HMM
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS? YEP.
AND THIS IS THE SUBDIVISION THEY MM-HMM
AND THEY'VE GOT THE 500 YEARS ON COTTONWOOD AND THEY'VE ALSO GOT IT ON THE TREE AREA ON THE RIGHT HERE.
AND I'VE ALREADY SEEN THE HUNDRED YEAR 20
WHY DID IT HAPPEN TWO YEARS APART? I THINK THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED.
SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR, ABOUT WHERE THE FLOOD PLANE IS? YEAH.
I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN I GET READY.
UH, RIGHT, THAT, WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC COMMENT? ALRIGHT, SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AT 7:27 PM AND AGAIN, THANK YOU SIR.
JOHN, HOW MANY LETTERS WERE SENT OUT? DO YOU KNOW? I WOULD HAVE TO PULL THAT UP FOR YOU REAL QUICK.
I'M SURE IT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT, IT WAS, HE JUST, WE GOT THE EMAIL.
SO CAN WE DISCUSS THIS OR DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION FIRST FOR US TO DISCUSS? YEAH, HE'S, I'M THE COMMISSIONER ASKED A QUESTION AND I'M LOOKING IT UP.
SO IF Y'ALL WANNA HAVE SOME, UH, DISCUSSION WHILE I GET THAT'S THINKING WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING IT UP.
IS THAT OKAY IF WE YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
UH, I THINK THERE'S BEARS QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION CONSIDERING THE WATER FALLING FROM THE SKY LATELY.
UM, BEFORE WE GET TO THAT PART OF IT, IF, DO Y'ALL MIND IF I START ASKING QUESTIONS? IS THAT OKAY?
SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH THE GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION AROUND HOW ARE PEOPLE GETTING IN AND OUT OF THIS, UM, DEVELOPMENT? SO FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, IT'S ONLY ON 1660.
THERE'S ONE ENTRANCE IN AND OUT ON 1660.
UM, IF IT'S 338 HOMES THAT, OR 338 UNITS, THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF UNITS TO HAVE ONE, UM, ENTRANCE.
SO THAT'S VERY CONCERNING, UM, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.
UM, AM I, IS THAT WHAT Y'ALL UNDERSTOOD AS WELL? WELL, YES AND NO.
I UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WAS ALSO THE CONNECTION ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT WAS GOING TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN THE CON THERE'S TWO CONNECTIONS ON THE EAST SIDE THAT ARE GOING TO GO INTO ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I THOUGHT THAT THERE'S A COTTON SOMETHING NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW IN DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH MM-HMM
UM, BUT I WASN'T ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? TO THE EAST? YES.
TO THE, UH, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, WELL EVEN FIVE PAGE FIVE OF THE PLAT AND TURN THE MAP, UH, 90 DEGREES, UH, YOU CAN SEE UP AT THE NORTH, NORTH OF THAT CIRCLE ON THE NORTH.
HOLD ON, LET ME MAKE SURE I'M ON THE SAME PAGE AS YOU.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE CIRCLE AT THE NORTH END AND THEN THERE'S A STUB HEADING NORTH INTO ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD YEAH.
AND THEN ON THE EAST SIDE YOU'VE GOT TWO STUBS HEADING INTO ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
AND WHO'S IT'S A, IT'S A FUTURE.
DO Y'ALL WANNA COME UP HERE? A FUTURE NEIGHBORHOOD? DO, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
IT WAS SEVEN, SEVEN LETTERS WENT OUT SEVEN LETTERS.
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OKAY.WOULD YOU MIND LETTING US KNOW YOUR NAME? YEAH, SURE.
FOR THE RECORD, LOGAN KIMBALL.
AND I'M, UH, REPRESENTING NAR THE DEVELOPER, OR I GUESS IT'S MB AUTO LLC.
ANYWAY, UM, SO YOUR QUESTION IS, THERE'S, WE DEDICATED, WE, SO YOU GUYS SAW THIS PRELIM, UH, LIKE A YEAR OR SO AGO MAYBE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND IN BETWEEN HEARINGS LAST TIME WILLIAMSON COUNTY ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE HAD, WE HAD ALREADY AGREED TO DEDICATE LIKE AN ACRE.
THEY CAME BACK AND ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL, AN ADDITIONAL FOUR-ISH ACRES.
SO WE HAD TO REDRAW THE PRELIM, REWORK THE PUD, REDO EVERYTHING BASICALLY.
AND SO HERE WE ARE, WE'RE BACK, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH WITH THE, WITH THE PUD AND THE PIT AND ALL THAT WAS APPROVED, UM, A FEW MONTHS BACK.
NOW WE'RE BACK WITH THE PRELIM, UM, TO ASK FOR APPROVAL ON, ON THE, UH, PRELIM.
AND SO THAT EAST CONNECTION, THE EAST SIDE CONNECTION IS TO THE, I THINK IT'S CALLED THE HU ARTERIAL OH, HEART OF THE, IT'S THE, IT'S THE BRANCH OFF OF, IT'S LIKE THE REALIGNMENT OF 1660 OFF OF THE EAST WILCO HIGHWAY.
THERE'S, YEAH, THERE'S WHERE IT'LL BE BOUND ON TWO SIDES BY ROADS.
ULTIMATELY THAT, THAT'S A BIG HELP.
WELL, SOME, SOME PEOPLE KNOW THAT I'M JUST ABSOLUTE DEATH ON ONE, ONE SINGLE POINT OF ENTRY.
ARE YOU DONE? THE ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS IF I, I MIGHT BE GETTING THIS MIXED UP WITH A DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT AND IF I AM, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
UM, BUT IF I REMEMBER THIS ONE CORRECTLY, I THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL BUILT WITH THIS, OR WAS THIS INTENDED TO BE RESIDENTIAL THE ENTIRE TIME? SO WE SHOW A LITTLE BIT OF COMMERCIAL ON 1660 AND THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THAT, UM, WAS THAT IT WOULD HAVE FRONTAGE ON 1660 AS KIND OF BEING A THOROUGHFARE AND THEN WITH THE REALIGNMENT.
AND AT ONE POINT THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF TERMINATING 1660 AT BASICALLY AT OUR FRONT DOOR.
AND SO IT KIND OF MAKES THE COMMERCIAL NOT AS VIABLE.
AND SO IT'S IN THE POD AS AN ALLOWABLE USE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL EVER MAKE, COME TO FRUITION KIND OF THING JUST BASED ON YEAH.
JUST BASED ON HOW THE ROADS ARE GONNA GET REALIGNED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE COMMERCIAL DOWN THERE, NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL.
BUT IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW.
UM, FIRST QUESTION IS AT THE, UH, COULD YOU PUT, COULD YOU PUT THE PLAT THAT, THAT OR I DON'T CARE.
ONE THAT JUST SHOWS THE OUTLINE? THE PERFECT, UH, YEAH, I GUESS THAT'LL WORK.
YOU WANT A DIFFERENT ONE? OKAY.
UH, TO THE NORTH THERE WHERE IT GOES UP A LITTLE BIT, THERE'S GONNA BE A SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTH, RIGHT? I MEAN, RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
THAT MEANS I AM ASSUMING THAT THAT SUBDIVISION THAT'S GOING IN TO THE NORTH IS GOING TO HAVE A CONNECTING ROAD TO YOUR SUBDIVISION.
WHICH MEANS ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOUR SUBDIVISION ONTO 1660 AND HAVING ONE IN AND OUT ONLY IS A, TO ME IS A PROBLEM.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I, UNLESS YOU CAN MAKE A ROAD BIG ENOUGH THAT IT TO ME THAT IT'S DIVIDED AND POSSIBLY HAVE TWO LANES ON EACH SIDE WITH A, I'M, OF COURSE I'M GOING ALL OUT HERE, UH, ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE, THEN I COULD UNDERSTAND IT.
BUT THAT'S A BIG SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTH OF YOU THAT'S PUTTING, GONNA BE ABLE, PEOPLE ARE GONNA TAKE WHATEVER ROUTE THEY CAN.
SO THAT'S GONNA PUT A LOT OF TRAFFIC OUT BACK THROUGH YOUR SUBDIVISION ONTO 1660.
SO I WOULD HOPE OR ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER MAKE IT OR TRYING TO PUT A, AN ADDITIONAL ENTRANCE ON 1660 POSSIBLY, UH, TO HELP ALLEVIATE THAT PROBLEM.
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THE GENTLEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S NEXT TO HIS PROPERTY.DO Y'ALL OWN THAT? UM, WE NEED TO EXPLAIN TO HIM WHERE HIS PROPERTY IS YEAH.
IF I'M CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT THE PROPERTY THAT THAT, UH, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT IS KIND OF FURTHEST PLAN NORTH ON THAT MAP, NOT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO US.
SO DO, SIR, DO YOU KNOW WHO OWNS THAT? THREE ACRES? I THOUGHT IT WAS THE SAME THAT OWNED THERE.
I IT'S THE PINK AREA ACTUALLY IN, UH, IN THE YEAH, IT IS THE PINK AREA.
SO COULD WE THAT'S A FLOODPLAIN.
THIS GENTLEMAN IS CONCERNED ABOUT HIS PROPERTY, WHICH I UNDERSTAND.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO WHATEVER IS NECESSARY TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN CONTROL THE WATER TO WHERE IT DOES NOT IMPEDE ONTO HIS PROPERTY IN THAT AREA? I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE REQUIRED THE CIVIL ENGINEERS ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO EITHER, I I UNDERSTAND.
EITHER DETAIN THE WATER ON SITE AND MM-HMM
LET IT GO AS PER, YOU KNOW, BEFORE AS GOD INTENDED, LET'S SAY.
UM, SO BEFORE OUR DEVELOPMENT WE CAN, WE WILL EITHER BE REQUIRED TO DE DETAIN IT OR, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN RELEASE IT INTO THE CREEK AS LONG AS THE FLOWS AREN'T ANY MORE THAN WHAT IT WAS PRIOR TO OUR DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE CREEK ALSO IS KIND OF FLOWING, I BELIEVE PLAN SOUTHWEST, UM, SOUTH, SORRY, SOUTHEAST.
SO OUR DEVELOPMENT IS ALL GONNA DRAIN TO THE EAST AND SOUTH OF BOTH OF THOSE TRACKS MM-HMM
SO WHATEVER WE BUILD, EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE BUILDING IS WHAT WOULDN'T AFFECT EITHER OF THOSE PIECES.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, WE'RE WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE CODE AND, AND THE RULES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT IMPACTING THE FLOWS OF ANYBODY DOWNSTREAM.
MORE THAN IT, IT SITS TODAY AS FARM FIELD.
I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE LAW TOO.
I JUST WANTED TO HEAR YOU VERBALLY SAY THAT.
WOULD Y'ALL BE WILLING TO SHARE ANY CONTACT INFORMATION TO THAT GENTLEMAN THAT CAME UP EARLIER SURE.
IN THE EVENT THAT HE HAS QUESTIONS OR SURE CONCERNS MM-HMM
UM, SO LET, LET ME ASK A QUESTION REGARDING YOUR QUESTION.
UM, IF, IF CONNECTION TO THE ARTERIAL HIGHWAY OR WHATEVER ROAD WILCO IS PUTTING IN THERE, WHATEVER THEY WANT TO CALL IT, WOULD THAT ALLEVIATE SOME OF YOUR TRAFFIC CONCERNS ABOUT 1660? BECAUSE IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE MOVING EAST TO GET ONTO THE FREEWAY OR THE MULTI-LANE ROAD, THAT'S GOING TO OBVIOUSLY BE LESS CONGESTED THAN A ONE LANE EACH DIRECTION DRIVEWAY.
WOULD THAT ALLEVIATE SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC? CAN YOU RICK, SORRY, PAINT ME A PICTURE REALLY QUICKLY ON HOW THIS LOOKS.
GETTING TO THE EAST WILCO HIGHWAY WE'RE SAYING IS COMING FROM THEIR EXIT TO THE EAST, THEY STILL HAVE AN EXIT POINT SOUTH TO 1660 AND NORTH WOULD BE TO THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
UNLESS I'M COMPLETELY MISREADING THIS MAP.
COTTON BROOK IS THE COMMUNITY TO THE NORTH.
AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY HAD A PLAT, I THINK, ON THIS AGENDA THAT YES.
UM, I THINK THEY HAVE EIGHT TOTAL PHASES, AND THIS ONE WAS SIX, MAYBE SIX I THINK IS RIGHT.
UM, THEY ALREADY HAVE ACCESS ROUND TO 1660 ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THEIR COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK, UM, WHILE THE INTERIM CONDITION MAY NOT BE PERFECT COMING OUT OF OUR SUBDIVISION, I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER IS, IS PROBABLY FAIR THAT IN AT SOME POINT FOLKS ARE GONNA USE THIS NEW ROAD TO GET OVER TO 16 SIX, ESPECIALLY 1660, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE GOING EAST TOWARDS SAMSUNG.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE INTENT OF THIS NEW RIGHT OF WAY THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE DARK GRAY ON THE MAP AND THE NEW RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S ON THE COMMUNITY THAT'S IN THERE PLANNING TO THE NORTH OF US AS WELL.
SO IN THE ULTIMATE CONFIGURATION, EVERYBODY WILL HAVE ACCESS TO GO EAST ONTO THAT, THAT BIGGER ROAD OUT OF THEIR OWN
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COMMUNITY, NOT JUST THROUGH US AND OUT THOSE EXITS.UM, THE, AND I CAN'T READ WHAT IT SAYS, THE BOULEVARD THERE, UH, WHATEVER THE NAME OF IT IS, HOW WIDE IS THAT ROAD? JOE MEADOWBROOK BOULEVARD? YEAH.
YEAH, IT'S, SO WE HAVE OUR TIA THAT WAS APPROVED, UM, A WHILE BACK BY STAFF OR THIS GROUP OR WHOEVER IT WAS THAT SEES IT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE, WE'RE FOLLOWING WHATEVER WAS APPROVED IN THAT.
UM, AND THAT IS, DO YOU KNOW THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE ROAD, JOE? THAT IT'S THE CLASSIFICATION OF THAT ROAD? A COLLECTOR? IT'S A COLLECTOR.
SO I ASSUME THEN THAT WE FOLLOWED THE, LIKE WE DIDN'T MODIFY THE ROAD SECTION IN OUR P SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT ROAD IS A COLLECTOR THAT'S AS WIDE AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
JOHN, MAYBE YOU KNOW HOW WIDE THOSE COLLECTORS ARE IN Y'ALL'S CODE? NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I NEED TO, I CAN PULL IT UP TO ANSWER, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT WOULD PROBABLY HELP A LITTLE BIT WITH IN MY MIND, BUT I STILL REALLY, REALLY FEEL THAT IT NEEDS TO HAVE ANOTHER ENTRANCE OFF OF 1660.
UM, SO IS THE, IS THE ONE ENTRANCE, I JUST WANNA STAND UP HERE AND MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING.
ARE WE SAYING THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE ONE ENTRANCE? NO UHUH NO, DOWN THERE SOUTH IN THE PINK THERE.
THAT IS 1660 AND THEIR ENTRANCE.
AND THIS NEW ROAD WE'RE TALKING INTO THIS MIDDLEBROOK BOULEVARD THING.
SO THEN THE GREAT, HOW DO YOU GET TO THE EAST WILCO? THAT'S LIKE NOT EVEN ON HERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S DOWN EAST DOWN ON THIS MAP NORTH.
YEAH, NORTH, NORTH IS POINTING TO THE RIGHT, SO, GOT IT.
SO TO GET TO THE COTTON BROOK IS THIS WAY.
AND SO YOU'RE USING WHAT THIS STREET UP HERE? YEP.
YOUR PASSIVE PARKING, THIS THE STREET ON THE TOP.
CA THE STREET OFWELL CHADWELL DRIVE.
AND THAT'S A SMALLER STREET THAN MEADOWBROOK BOULEVARD? YES.
BECAUSE IF, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, GOING NORTH COTTON, I DON'T REMEMBER, IS IT COTTON BROOK? COTTON BROOK, YES.
IS THAT DEVELOPMENT, DOES THAT FEED INTO CARL STERN? YES.
AND I, I'M RIGHT THERE WITH YOU GUYS UNTIL I SEE THIS GRAY AREA FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE A OR NOT THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE ADJOINING PROPERTY, THE GRAY AREA IS EAST, I BELIEVE YOU SAID THE GRAY AREA WAS TXDOT, CORRECT? OR I MEAN, I'M SORRY, COUNTY WILCO.
SO THAT MEANS THEY'RE GONNA WIDEN.
SO, SO THAT MEANS THOSE ON THE BOTTOM SIDE, LOOKING AT THIS MAP, THOSE TWO STUBS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO DUMP ONTO A LARGER STREET.
SO THE LARGER THAN MEADOWBROOK.
SO THE GRAY AREA IS GOING TO BE A NEW ROAD, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND THAT REPRESENTS, UM, THAT I THINK IS 75 FEET OF WIDTH.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER 75 FEET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
DO YOU? SO IT'S 150 FOOT RIGHT AWAY THAT GOES.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM OF 130.
DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
THIS IS GONNA BE COME A COUNTY ROAD, CORRECT? I MEAN, IT'S COUNTY ROAD, RIGHT, JOHN? I KNOW.
THAT'S GONNA BE COUNTY ROAD AS FAR AS I KNOW.
DO YOU KNOW WHEN THE COUNTY PLANS ON DOING THAT?
I GUESS THEY HAVE THEIR OWN TIME MAKING IT TOUGH ON YOU.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EAST WILCO HIGHWAY IS MOSTLY BUILT, YOU KNOW, AND IT COMES IN JUST A HOP, SKIP, AND A JUMP FROM OUR FRONT DOOR RIGHT THERE.
BUT IT, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ACCESS TO IT ON 1660 I DON'T THINK.
UH, BUT AT LEAST IN THE INTERIM BECAUSE 1660 IS GONNA CARRY ON THROUGH AND EITHER THIS ROAD IS GOING TO, EITHER THE EAST WILCO HIGHWAY IS GONNA JUMP OVER IT OR IT'S GONNA JUST WAIT UNTIL THEY DO WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA DO WITH THAT INTERSECTION.
UM, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT ROAD IS BEING CONSTRUCTED, BUT
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I, WE'VE BEEN TOLD BY THE CONTRACTOR THAT IT'S KIND OF THE NEXT THING AFTER THEY FINISHED EAST WILCO.BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PINK AREA ON 1660 SOUTH MM-HMM
WE'VE GOT A SUBDIVISION OVER THERE TOO.
BUT THE GOLA, THE ONE THAT YOU HAD ON A CONSENT ALSO IS THAT'S SOUTHWEST YEAH.
YEAH, SO IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ACROSS, BUT IT'S OKAY.
UH, KIND OF WHERE THE RED AND PURPLE TEXT IS.
WELL, I GUESS MY BIGGEST CONCERN ACTUALLY IS THE FLOODING FOR THIS GENTLEMAN BACK HERE.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ANOTHER ENTRANCE, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD UP A, A SUBDIVISION BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND I HAVE FLOODING QUESTIONS.
SO, UH, FIRST IS WE'VE GOT MEADOWBROOK, UH, THAT'S YOUR MAIN IN OUT OFFICE, 1660.
UH, IS THE PLAN TO HAVE THAT AT OR HIGHER, AT LEAST THE SAME ELEVATION AS 1660? BECAUSE I WOULD HATE FOR A LOW POINT TO JUST SEAL OFF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THAT.
UM, SO YEAH, WE'RE, I MEAN WE'LL BE OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN ON THAT ONE.
AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS, UH, YES, THERE IS A LOT OF CONCRETE YOU ARE GOING TO BE DRAINING INTO THAT SOUTHWARD FROM YOUR, UH, DEVELOPMENT MM-HMM
AND THAT'S GOING TO HIT A CHOKE POINT RIGHT.
WHAT'S THE NUMBER? ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO BE CONTRIBUTING TO, I'M GONNA SAY ENHANCING THAT CHOKE POINT, THAT WATER CHANNEL IS BUILT TO HANDLE X AMOUNT OF GALLONS RIGHT NOW AND IT'S THIS BIG AND IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 60 YEARS.
ARE YOU GUYS LOOKING AT YEAH, WE'LL EXPAND THAT.
WE'LL ADD A SECONDARY CHANNEL TO IT OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES? WE DID, OUR, OUR DRAINAGE STUDY WAS INCLUDED WITH THE HUD.
THE PRELIMINARY WITH THIS, WITH THIS APPLICATION AND OH, THE DRAINAGE STUDY WAS IN THERE.
IT, IT MAY NOT BE PART OF YOUR BACKUP, BUT IT WAS PART OF THE REQUIRE, THE PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE APPLICATION PART, PART OF YOUR RIGHT.
SO IT MAY NOT BE INCLUDED WITH THIS APPLICATION.
UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY GET YOU A COPY OF IT, BUT, UH, WHAT IT SHOWED IS THAT, UM, WE DIDN'T NEED DETENTION.
JOE? IS THAT HOW THAT'S RIGHT.
SO, UM, BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF FLOODPLAIN, BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF LAND THAT WE HAVE IN THERE AND THE WAY, SO EFFECTIVELY WE, INSTEAD OF DETENTION, WE OVERSIZE THE PIPES AND SO WE KIND OF DO INLINE DETENTION IN THE PIPES THAT COME IN.
BECAUSE IT'S SO FLAT AND IT DRAINS SLOWLY THAT WAY.
SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO STUDY IT, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND FIGURE OUT THE GRADES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND IF IT REQUIRES A DETENTION POND, THEN WE'LL PUT ONE IN JUST THE PRELIMINARY STUDY DID NOT.
UM, THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A 338 UNITS SHOULD HAVE A DETENTION POND, BUT ABSOLUTELY.
BUT IF I'M NOT AN ENGINEER AND IF ME NEITHER
UM, BUT YEAH, I I DO THINK THAT'S JUST A NATURAL CHOKE POINT RIGHT THERE GOING UNDER 1660.
YOU GET A SMALL TREE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THERE AND EVERYTHING BACKS UP.
ALL THOSE PICTURES UP, YOU CAN SEE IT.
JOE, DO YOU HAVE A MORE, UH, ENGINEERING WAY TO DESCRIBE
I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.
UM, BASICALLY WHAT WE DID WAS WE LOOKED AT THE, UH, THE TENSION, UH, THE FLOW RATES COMING DOWN OFF, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE DRAINAGE AREA MM-HMM
AND YOU COMPARE THAT TO THE FLOW RATE OF THE MAIN BODY OF THE CREEK.
SO WE'RE COMING IN LIKE THIS AND THEN COTTONWOOD IS CONTINUING OVER THERE.
WELL, COTTONWOOD HAS SUCH A LARGER DRAINAGE AREA AND ACTUALLY WHAT WE SHOWED WAS THAT IF WE DELAYED THE WATER, WE WOULD COINCIDE THOSE PEAKS SUCH THAT YOU WOULD CAUSE MORE OF A PROBLEM THAN IF YOU LET THIS WATER GO FASTER OUT AHEAD OF IT.
AND THEN THE OTHER, THE OTHER, THE WAVE COMES IN.
SO WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE FLOODPLAIN.
AND WE LOOKED AT THIS THING, UH, UPSIDE DOWN AND BACKWARDS.
I MEAN, I MADE SURE THIS THING WAS WORKING IN EVERY SCENARIO I CAN THINK ABOUT.
IT WORKS WITH PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO
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SO WE LOOKED AT IT IN DIFFERENT, IN DIFFERENT, UH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND BASICALLY DETERMINED THAT IN EVERY SCENARIO WE DID, IT SHOWED THAT IT WAS BETTER NOT TO HAVE DETENTION THAN TO HAVE DETENTION.DID YOU LOOK AT IT SATURDAY WHEN IT WAS 50 FEET WIDE? I DID.
SO, UH, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT THAT'S GREAT THAT YOU'RE GETTING AHEAD OF IT.
LET'S SAY THE WHAT IT, IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'RE GETTING THE WATER FLOW AHEAD OF IT, LET'S SAY RIGHT? THAT AHEAD OF THE PEAK.
I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT CHOKE POINT AT 1660.
WELL, YOU SEE THE, THE ACTUALITY IS THAT THE WA THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WHEN WE PEAK ON OUR, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT RAINS ON, ON THE WATERSHED, WHATEVER, THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S COMING OFF OUR SITE AT THAT PARTICULAR, IT'S A TIMING THING.
SO BY THE TIME OUR WATER LEAVES, IT'S NOT CHOKING BEING, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT BEING CONSTRICTED BY THE, BY THE BRIDGE.
IT'S THE WATER THAT COMES IN FROM UPSTREAM THAT COMES IN.
BUT, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE CAN'T, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT UPSTREAM.
I MEAN, UN UNDERSTOOD, UNDERSTOOD.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT BECOMES THE PROBLEM AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM FOR NOT JUST YOUR NEIGHBOR, BUT FOR YOURS AS WELL.
NOW YOUR ENTRY ROAD IS UNDERWATER BECAUSE THIS CHOKE POINT, WELL, THE, THE CHOKE POINT THAT YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SM 1660 MM-HMM
BRIDGE THAT'S ALREADY IN THE MODELS.
I MEAN, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN MODELED.
SO THAT'S YOU, IT'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL CHOKE POINT.
IT'S, IT'S WHAT'S MODELED AND THE FLOODPLAIN THAT IS SHOWN IS, IS SUBJECT TO THAT CHOKE POINT OKAY.
OF THE BRIDGE IT'S ALREADY ENCOUNTERED FOR.
SO LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER HYDROLOGIST TO ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WHEN YOU'RE MAKING THIS DETERMINATION, RIGHT, YOU'RE MAKING WHAT, WHEN YOU'RE MAKING YOUR DETERMINATION ON THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ON HOW TO DEAL WITH THE WATER UHHUH
AND THE DESIGN STORM ASSUMES WET AND DESCENDANT CONDITIONS, MEANING IT WAS ALREADY RAINING BEFORE THE BIG RAIN CAME.
TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE DON'T WANT TO ASSUME THAT THE WATER'S BEING, YOU KNOW, INTO, INTO THE GROUND, YOU KNOW.
SO, SO WE, WE, WE ASSUME A WET AND DESCENDING CONDITION AND THEN WE HAVE THIS 24 HOUR RAINFALL, WHICH IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, 12 OR 13 INCHES, WHATEVER.
I MEAN ACTUALLY IT'S ATLAS 14, SO LIKE 14 OR 15 INCHES.
SO, AND THEN ATLAS 14 IN CASE I GUESS YOU MAYBE KNOW ABOUT THAT, RIGHT.
THAT'S A POST HURRICANE HARVEY ISSUE.
SO, UM, THAT'S BEING, THAT TOOK, THAT TOOK INTO ACCOUNT HERE.
IN FACT, WE WENT THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS WITH THE CITY ON THIS THING TO NAIL DOWN THAT FLOODPLAIN TO GET IT RIGHT.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY OUR LITTLE COMMERCIAL AREA KIND OF SHRUNK AND WENT AWAY ON US
BECAUSE IT KEPT GETTING WIDER.
I REMEMBER ON THE PRELIMINARY RIGHT, RIGHT.
HAD IT AND THEN WE HAD TO TAKE IT OFF.
YOU HAD A SECTION CARVED OUT FOR A COMMERCIAL AND THAT'S GONE.
I MEAN YOU STILL HAVE A TWO ACRE LOT, BUT NOW WE ONLY HAD A HALF AN ACRE OF LAND.
SO HOW FEASIBLE, SO ATLAS 14 CAME OUT IN 2018.
I I GOOGLED IT WHILE WE WERE TALKING.
SO
SO, BUT SINCE THEN, SINCE 2018 THERE'S BEEN A REVISED FLOODPLAIN, RIGHT? THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO WILCO.
THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT HASN'T BEEN FULLY, UM, ACCEPTED, APPROVED, WHATEVER THE APPROPRIATE TERM IS BY FEMA QUITE YET.
SO IT'S NOT THE STANDARD AND YET, BUT IT'S A REVISED FLOODPLAIN THAT, UM, HURO HAS RECEIVED.
AND SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IS IF YOU CAN COMPARE WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE TO THAT REVISED UPDATED FLOODPLAIN AND SEE IF THE PLAN THAT YOU'VE ALREADY DEVELOPED, DOES THAT STILL MAKE SENSE GIVEN THE UPDATED FLOODPLAIN INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE? I, I BELIEVE THAT THAT ISSUE'S BEEN, WE, WE ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT ISSUE.
'CAUSE THE FEMA MAPS ONLY SHOW THE OLD A HUNDRED YEAR.
AND I'M ASKING YOU TO USE WHAT HAS, WHAT WILLIAMSON COUNTY HAS, RIGHT.
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WHAT'S ON HERE IS NOT ATLAS 14.IT IS ATLAS 14 ON, ON THIS PLAN.
AND I'M ASKING YOU TO KEEP YOUR PLAN.
BUT COMPARE WHAT WILLIAMSON COUNTY HAS AS A NEW UPDATED REVISED FLOODPLAIN THAT HAS BEEN MODIFIED SINCE ATLAS 14, AND COMPARE THAT TO WHAT YOU HAVE HERE AND SEE IF THIS STILL MAKES SENSE BASED OFF OF THE UPDATED WORK THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED.
I THINK WE DID, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND CHECK IT, BUT OKAY.
IF YOU COULD CONFIRM THAT FOR US, THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD, I THINK BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES MADE.
AND WITH EVERYTHING IN HILL COUNTRY THAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE LAST WEEK, YOU KNOW, IT'S ON EVERYBODY'S MIND RIGHT NOW, SO, ABSOLUTELY.
THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S ONE THING THAT I, I DON'T KNOW, I, I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA HOLD UP A, THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT.
I THINK IT MEETS EVERYTHING THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO, BUT I THINK WE DO NEED TO DO SOME FINE TUNING, ESPECIALLY WITH THE WATER FLOW.
AND I UNDERSTAND PRELIMINARY PLATT'S NOT THE TIME TO DO THAT.
I UNDERSTAND PRELIMINARY PLATT'S NOT THE TIME TO DO THAT, BUT, BUT PERHAPS WE CAN GET THE CITY ENGINEER IN AND JUST PROVIDE US SOME FEEDBACK ON EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS SO THAT WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR FINAL, SO WE'RE NOT ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS AGAIN.
WE'LL GO, I'LL BEFORE THE FINAL COMES OR BEFORE WHATEVER, I'LL GET YOU GUYS AN EMAIL EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE LATEST GETTING IT YEAH.
THE LATEST FLOOD PLAIN FROM TRAVIS, I MEAN FROM WILLIAMSON COUNTY, AND THEN COMPARE IT TO WHAT WE HAVE.
AND JUST, JUST SO WE CAN SEE IF, HEY, BEFORE, BEFORE WE START TURNING DIRT ON THIS PROJECT, LET'S GET THIS FIXED OR NO, BUT THIS IS ALL GOOD.
THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
HELPS ANSWER YOUR NEIGHBOR'S QUESTION.
AND, YOU KNOW, WITH IT ON, ON EVERYONE'S BRAIN, BUT I, I WANT, WANNA REITERATE THAT THE CHOKE POINT THAT YOU CALLED, YOU KNOW, THE BRIDGE IS ALREADY TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN ALL THE MODELS.
I HAVE, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
WHY ARE THERE FIVE HOUSES OR FIVE LOTS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BUILD HOUSES ON IN THE FLOOD PLAIN? UH, IN, IN THE PINK FLOOD PLAIN, THERE'S NO, LOTS IN THE FLOOD PLAIN.
THAT'S FLOOD AT THE BOTTOM, LIKE TOWARDS THE EAST.
I GUESS HE'S TALKING, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THOSE LOTS OVER THERE.
THEY'RE NOT IN THE FLOOD PLAIN.
YEAH, THEY'RE OUTSIDE THE FLOOD PLAIN.
THERE'S A NOTE ON THERE OR IT LOOKS NO LOCKS.
WELL, IT, IT DOES LOOK LIKE THEY ARE JUST OUTSIDE THE FLOODPLAIN ME.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN THE FLOOD PLAIN.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO MENTION THAT TODAY'S AGENDA TOPIC IS NOT THE FINAL PLOT, RIGHT? NO.
SO THIS ITEM WILL COME UP AGAIN FOR US TO REVIEW, RIGHT.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING THIS FOR EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO THERE CAN BE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS.
THE, THE, UM, WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO TODAY HELPS ENSURE THAT HURO IS COMPLIANT WITH VARIOUS LAWS THAT PERTAIN TO DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES AND WE CAN ENSURE THAT THE DEVELOPERS CONTINUING TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO PROVIDE.
AND THIS ALSO, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JOHN AND EVERYBODY, BUT THIS WILL ALSO GO TO COUNCIL BEFORE THIS IS ULTIMATELY APPROVED MM-HMM
RIGHT? SO THIS IS NOT THE LAST MEETING IN REGARDS TO THIS.
SO, SO JUST TO ENSURE WE'RE ALL UNDERSTANDING.
SO KIND OF ANSWERING QUESTIONS, UH, JOHN, CAN YOU GO TO PAGE FIVE OF THE PLAT THAT HAS A A, A CUTOUT IT? IT'S NOT, NOT IN, I DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE POWERPOINT.
SO, UH, AGAIN, PAGE FIVE, UH, FIVE OF 11.
HAS A NICE BLOW UP OF THE ENTRANCE MM-HMM
SO YOU CAN SEE THE CONTOURS AND HOW THE LAND RISES UP OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN.
IT'S GOT TREES ON TOP OF IT CURRENTLY.
SEE, SO TO, TO KIND OF ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW MUCH OF DIRT IS GONNA BE MOVED, I THINK THE DIRT'S ALREADY BEEN MOVED
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THERE BY THE, BY THE CREEK A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.OH YEAH, THERE'S A PILE THERE SOMEWHERE.
SO THERE'S, YEAH, THERE, THERE IS A RISE UP TO WHERE THAT ROAD IS.
SO THAT'S ELEVATED ABOVE THE, THE CREEK BED IN THE FLOODPLAIN ITSELF.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS ASKING WITH THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, WANNA MAKE SURE IT STAYS ELEVATED UP, UP THERE AND NOT DIPPED DOWN.
UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THAT ONE SHOWS PRETTY WELL THAT THIS IS, WELL IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S ABOUT EIGHT FEET HIGHER.
MIGHT BE MORE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE CONTOUR INTERVAL IS ON THIS, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE CONTOUR LINES BETWEEN THE ROAD AND THE OBVIOUS FLOODPLAIN.
SO I THINK, AGAIN, NOT A HYDROLOGIST, NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT I THINK THAT THE DIRT HAS ALREADY BEEN MOVED, KIND OF TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
SO THE LAST QUESTION FORNELL THAT I HAVE IS IN REGARDS TO SIDEWALKS.
SO AM I UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO INCLUDE SIDEWALKS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND PAY A FEE INSTEAD? THAT'S A, THAT'S A LONG STORY.
NO, THE SIDEWALKS THAT WE'RE PAYING FEE ON ARE ON 1660 AND THE TO BE BUILT ROAD INTERNALLY, THERE WILL BE SIDEWALKS INTERNALLY WHERE THERE, THERE WILL BE SIDEWALKS IN FRONT FRONT OF PEOPLE'S HOMES.
THAT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING ON THAT.
THEY ONLY REFER TO 1660 AND THE HU ARTERIAL.
YEAH, THE, OKAY, SO YOU'RE NOT DOING THE PERIMETER SIDEWALKS, YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT AND THERE'S THE INTERNAL SIDEWALKS.
ALRIGHT, SO IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON 5.1? I THINK WE HAD ENOUGH AND I SEE NUMBERS BEING EXCHANGED.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 5.1.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO PHRASE IT.
UM, OR IF I SHOULD PHRASE IT OTHER THAN JUST ACCEPTING IT AS PRESENTED.
THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THE FLOODPLAIN PIECE, RIGHT? SO TELL ME IF THIS IS, THIS MAKES SENSE.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 5.1 AS PRESENTED DEPENDING UPON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED FROM THE DEVELOPER REGARDING THEIR REVIEW OF THE MOST CURRENT FLOODPLAIN THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE CITY TO ENSURE IT ACCOUNTS FOR THE UPDATED DATA THAT CAN IMPACT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
IS THAT TOO MUCH? IS THAT, DOES THAT A LINE
I'M, I'M FINE WITH THE GIST OF IT.
I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE, OKAY, SO I'M GONNA SECOND SO WE CAN DISCUSS.
UM, I THINK WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT DEPENDENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN LEGALLY MAKE IT DEPENDENT ON IT, SO.
I THINK WE, WE NEED TO ADD A CONDITION BEFORE IT COMES BACK TO US AS A FINAL OR, UH, OKAY.
BUT THAT STA BUT THAT SHOULDN'T BE PART OF THE UH, MOTION THOUGH, BUT BY THE TIME, RIGHT? NO, IT COULD BE, WE, WE CAN ADD CONDITIONS TO THE MOTION, RIGHT? YOU CAN, OKAY.
SO WE CAN ADD THE CONDITION THAT ENGINEERING TAKES A LOOK AT THE, UH, PROPOSED BUT NOT FINALIZED FLOODPLAIN AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS IN COMPLIANCE AND FLOWING CORRECTLY.
THE ONLY PROBLEM WE CAN, WE CAN ADD THAT AS A CONDITION.
THE ONLY PROBLEM I'M HAVING WITH THAT IS WE MAY NOT GET THE INFORMATION BACK FROM FEMA FOR 6, 8, 10 MONTHS.
WE HAVE THE INFORMATION, WE JUST NEED THEM TO ACCEPT IT AND PUT IT ON RECORD THAT THAT'S LIKE, WE HAVE THE, THE UPDATED VERSION.
WE'VE SEEN IT, IT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US.
SO IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE WHEN, THREE MONTHS AGO, MONTHS AGO.
IS THE POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE.
SO WE, WE HAVE IT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT, IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE FEMA STAMP ON IT, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T HAVE THE FEMA STAMP.
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REQUIRED LEGALLY TO USE IT.MY QUESTION, IT BECOMES, IS THIS NEW STUDY, HAS IT BEEN ACCEPTED AND ADOPTED BY THE CITY OF HU OR IS IT STILL WAITING ON FEMA TO APPROVE IT BEFORE THE C OF HU? I DON'T THINK THE CITY HAS A, A CHOICE.
AND IF THE CITY HASN'T APPROVED IT, WE CAN'T, I DON'T THINK THE, I DON'T THINK, WE CAN'T THINK THEY ASK.
WE CAN ASK THEM TO, TO ABIDE BY IT IF IT'S NOT BEEN APPROVED.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING WITH THE CONDITION.
WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING WITH THE CONDITION IS THAT DEVELOPER, ENGINEER AND CITY ENGINEER SIT DOWN, PUT THEIR HEADS TOGETHER AND GO, YEP.
THIS IS GONNA CLEAR EVEN IF THAT GETS APPROVED.
THAT'S ALL I WANNA MAKE SURE OF.
THIS ISN'T GOING VERTICAL TODAY AND IT'S NOT DONE TOMORROW.
SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT TWO YEARS FROM NOW WHEN IT'S FINISHED, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FEMA COMPLIANT AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO A BUNCH OF RETROFIT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS WORRIED ABOUT TOO.
I'M NOT, DON'T WANT TO ASK THEM TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT BEEN.
SO I, I THINK PUTTING THAT AS A CONDITION WILL WORK ON THE MOTION CONDITION THAT, SO DO I NEED TO REDO THE MOTION? NO, NO, NO.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, ARE YOU CLEAR WITH WHAT THE MOTION IS, JOHN, ARE YOU GONNA MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION? NO, I'M CLARIFYING THE LANGUAGE BECAUSE SHE WAS CALLING IT DEPENDENT.
AND YOU'RE CLEAR ON THE CONDITION.
WELL, YOU WAS THERE, WAS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON 5.1? NOT TODAY.
WELL, THE, THE ONLY THING IS, I'M STILL CONFUSED ABOUT THE FIVE LOTS THAT I ASKED ABOUT.
UH, YOU'RE TELLING ME IT'S NOT IN A, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN A FLOOD PLAIN ON THIS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
SO THE PINK, THIS FLOOD PLAIN? UH, NO, THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD IT.
THEY JUST, THE PINK SAID THE PINK IS PLUGGED THE PLAIN, THE PINK IS PASSIVE PARK ON THIS.
IT'S HARD TO READ, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE CALL.
OH, IT'S ALL PASSIVE PARK ALL AROUND IT.
I'M, I'M NOT GONNA, THAT'S A MUTE POINT NOW.
BECAUSE YEAH, THE FLOAT, WE CAN'T PULL IT UP HERE, BUT THE FLOOD PLAIN, I REALLY LIKE THAT, THAT CALL OUT.
SEE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA HERE, AND THAT'S UP ABOVE THE FLOOD PLAIN.
BUT THIS FLOOD PLANE RIGHT HERE.
NO, THIS ISN'T, THIS IS THE CALL OUT OF THIS.
SO THIS BLOWUP IS THIS SPOT RIGHT HERE.
THAT IS, BUT THIS IS PASSIVE PARK.
ANY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON 5.1? NOPE.
UH, TIME TO, UH, IT'S JUST MAKING SURE I CLOSED OUT THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, THEN, UH, WE WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING PRELIMINARY PLAT WITH THE CONDITION.
WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
DID YOU SEE WHAT THE, IT SAYS WITH THE, A CONDITION OF THE LOT TABLE ALSO.
SO THAT CONDITION IS PART OF THE AS PRESENTED.
WHAT'S THAT? THAT IS AS PRESENTED.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THAT'S PART OF THE CONDITION.
SO ONE MORE TIME, CALL FOR VOTE.
KNOW THEY GOT A LITTLE INVOLVED.
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ALL RIGHT.CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE A VARIANCE REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY AT 1101 MUIRFIELD BEND DRIVE, 3.11 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOT THREE BLOCK B OF THE STAR RANCH SUBDIVISION.
PHASE TWO, SECTION TWO, LOCATED ON MUIRFIELD BEND DRIVE FROM THE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN CHAPTER 10.
SECTION 10.410, AND 10.4, ONE OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW FOR AN INCREASE IN THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED HEIGHT AND MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR MONUMENT SIGNAGE.
AS IT WAS JUST STATED, THIS IS A VARIANCE FOR A SIGN.
UM, THE SIGN ITSELF IS, UM, PART OF THE STAR RANCH DEVELOPMENT, BUT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE IT IS, IT'S IN THE TRAVIS COUNTY, UM, PRETTY MUCH WHERE, UM, PRIM LANE IS, UH, THAT'S KIND OF THE BORDER BETWEEN TRAVIS AND WILLIAMSON.
SO, UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A VISION OF AN IDEA OF WHERE IT IS, ALTHOUGH IT'S STILL PART OF THE STAR RANCH DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE, UM, ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS FOR, UM, INCREASE IN HEIGHT AND SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE SIGN.
BUT UPON, UPON FURTHER REVIEW OF THE UDC BEING OFF OF STATE HIGHWAY ONE 30, THERE IS A SECTION WHERE, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE STATE HIGHWAY 31 FRONTAGE, YOU'RE ACTUALLY LAR ALLOWED A LARGER, UM, HEIGHT AND A LARGER, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE, AS Y'ALL CAN SEE WITH THE STAR RANCH DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE, THE REQUEST IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE TO HAVE TWO MONUMENT SIGNS ON THE, UM, THE LOT.
SO THE WAY THAT THE CODE READS IS THAT, UM, IT CAN HAVE, UH, YOU CAN HAVE TWO MONUMENT SIGNS.
IF IT'S THE, THEIR FRONTAGE IS EXCEEDING A THOUSAND FEET, IT IS NOT GONNA EXCEED A THOUSAND FEET.
INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE LARGER SIGN, THEY'RE GONNA BE REQUESTING TWO, UM, SMALLER SIGNS.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK VERY IDENTICAL TO THE SIGNS THAT YOU ALREADY SEE IN, UH, STAR RANCH.
SO AGAIN, IT'S ALL IN THE ETJ.
UM, JUST TO GIVE AN IDEA THERE, HERE IS WHAT THE, UM, ORIGINAL REQUEST, UM, WAS FOR THE SIGN TO LOOK AT.
SO THEY WERE PROPOSING, UM, 16 FOOT TALL AND, UM, SEVEN TWO SQUARE FEET.
HERE IS A MAP OF THE, UM, PROPOSED LOCATION.
SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE YELLOW, ON THE SMALLER OR ON THE LEFT, THE, UH, YOU'LL SEE PROPOSED SIGN A AND THEN IF YOU FOLLOW THAT RED LINE, THERE'S 200, A LITTLE MORE THAN 260 FEET BETWEEN THAT LINE.
AND THEN ANOTHER RED LINE UP AT THE TOP OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE THE OTHER SIGN IS BEING PROPOSED.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE RIGHT, IT'S A LITTLE ZOOMED IN.
UM, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THOSE TWO PROPOSED SIGNS ARE GONNA BE.
SO AGAIN, THE UDC, WITH THEM BEING OFF OF ONE 30, THEY DO HAVE THAT, UH, LARGER HEIGHT THAN THE LARGER SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UM, THE SIGNS HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINES.
UM, AND THEN, UM, ANY, UM, IF THEY WERE TO BE ALLOWED MORE THAN ONE ON SITE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE WITH, UH, AT LEAST A HUNDRED FEET FROM EACH OTHER.
UM, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CODE THAT WAY, YES, THIS WOULD MEET ALL OF THAT.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST THE CODE STATES THAT IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE THAN A THOUSAND FEET OF FRONTAGE TO HAVE THAT SECOND SIGN, WHICH IS WHY WHEN YOU LOOK AT STAR RANCH, YOU'LL HAVE, THERE'S THREE OR FOUR OF THE LARGER SIGNS, BUT THEY'RE ALL SPREAD OUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE OF COURSE, ALL THAT FRONTAGE.
RIGHT? UM, STAFF WENT THROUGH THE, UH, VARIANCE EVALUATION, UM, AND RECOMMENDATION THAT IS STATED OUT IN THE CODE.
UM, STAFF FOUND ALL THE FINDINGS TO BE TRUE.
UM, WE CAN GO THROUGH THOSE REAL QUICK.
SO, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, HARMONY OF THE SPIRIT OF THE CODE, UM, NOT ADVERSELY AFFECTING ANY OTHER SITES, THAT'S TRUE, IT'S WITHIN THE STAR RANCH DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE GONNA SEE MORE THAN ONE MONUMENT SIGN ALL THROUGHOUT THE STAR RANCH DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO BY ALLOWING THIS, IT WOULDN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, CHANGE ANYTHING, UM, WITH IF THE RESULTS ARE OR IF THE, UM, CONDITIONS WERE SELF-CREATED BY, UH, DISREGARDING THE CODE.
UM, THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR, FOR SMALLER SIGNS, SO THEY TECHNICALLY COULD GO HIGHER.
UM, THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE SMALLER SIGNS.
AND THEN IN EXCHANGE OF JUST HAVING TWO ON THE, UM, LOT, INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, GIGANTIC SIGN.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, ALL THROUGHOUT STAR RANCH, YOU'LL HEAR ME SAY THAT A COUPLE MORE TIMES, BUT ALL THROUGHOUT STAR RANCH, THEY HAVE
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THOSE MONUMENT SIGNS.UM, THE UNIQUE CONDITIONS, AGAIN, BEING ON STATE HIGHWAY ONE 30, YOU'RE GONNA BE ALLOWED, UM, A LITTLE, UM, MORE, UM, MORE SIGNAGE THAN YOU WOULD.
UM, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER PLACE IN THE CITY.
UM, ANY, UM, STRICT APPLICATION OF THE CODE THAT WOULD DEPRIVE THE APPLICANTS OF ANY RIGHTS? UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE CODE, THERE ARE SECTIONS AND THERE ARE GONNA BE LOTS, UM, ALL THROUGHOUT TOWN WHERE SOME ARE GONNA BE ALLOWED TO MONUMENT SIGNS.
UM, OF COURSE THE HEIGHT IS GONNA BE A DIFFERENT REQUIREMENT IN CITY LIMITS VERSUS IN THE ETJ.
UM, BUT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED THOSE TWO MONUMENT SIGNS, AGAIN, WITH THAT FRONTAGE BEING OFF OF ONE 30.
UM, AND THEN ALL STAR RANCH HAVING MORE THAN JUST ONE MONUMENT SIGN.
UM, THIS, UH, VARIANCE ISN'T GIVING ANY SPECIAL PRIVILEGE.
AGAIN, STAR RANCH, THEY HAVE 'EM ALL THROUGHOUT
UM, AND THEN THE VARIANCE, UH, BEING, UM, MINIMUM NECESSARY TO GRANT RELIEF.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST IN STAR RANCH, AND INSTEAD OF HAVING A ONE LARGE SIGN, THEY'RE HAVING TWO SMALL SIGNS, UM, ON SITE SEPARATED FAR ENOUGH MEETING, UM, EVERY OTHER SECTION IN THE CODE THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO, UM, THIS VARIANCE.
UM, 47 NOTIFICATIONS WENT OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THAT 600 FOOT OF THE SITE.
UM, STAFF RECEIVED ONE RESPONSE, UM, IN SUPPORT.
YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, SO BASED ON THOSE FINDINGS, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED VARIANCE, UM, THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE TWO MONUMENT SIGNS OFF OF STATE HIGHWAY ONE 30 WITH, UM, LESS THAN A THOUSAND FEET OF STATE HIGHWAY ONE 30 FRONTAGE.
UM, I DO KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UM, UH, TO SPEAK AND I BELIEVE THEY ACTUALLY, UM, WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST.
UM, SO AS WE SAW THE PROPOSED SIGN WAS AT 16 FEET.
I BELIEVE THEY WANT TO LOOK AT MAYBE POTENTIALLY A LITTLE HIGHER.
UM, I KNOW THEY'RE ALLOWED THE ONE UP TO 30 FEET.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE REQUESTING 30 FEET, UM, BUT IT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE THAN, UM, THE 16 FEET THAT YOU SEE HERE.
UM, BUT TO MY UNDERSTANDING, IT WOULD LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO THIS SIGN.
UM, AND IT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO ALL THE OTHER ONES THAT YOU WOULD SEE, UM, ALL THROUGHOUT STAR RANCH.
SO WITH THAT, UH, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN AFTER THAT, AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.
ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT EIGHT 18.
AND IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 2018, UH, EIGHT 18
UH, AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
UH, WE'D LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION OR RECOMMENDATION IF WE COULD.
CERTAINLY, BEFORE WE DISCUSS AND VOTE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE.
JOHN SHEPHERD WITH FLIGHT SIGNS.
UH, WHEN WE PRESENTED THIS PACKET FOR THE VARIANCE, WE WERE, I GUESS, CONFUSED AS TO WHAT THE MAXIMUMS COULD BE, WHICH IS WHY WE WENT WITH THE TWO MONUMENT SIGNS.
UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO RAISE THIS, SIGN ANOTHER FOUR FEET, AND SO RAISE IT UP TO A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 20 FEET.
AND THEN INCREASE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM 72 TO 120, WHICH IS WELL BELOW THE 180 MAXIMUM, ALL OUT ALONG ONE 30.
UH, BASICALLY IT'D ALLOW THE TENANT PANELS TO BE A LITTLE BIGGER SO THEY'D BE MORE VISIBLE FROM THE, UH, THE FREEWAY.
BUT, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, UM, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE
EXCEPT ANSWERS FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE IT IN HEIGHT.
ARE YOU GONNA MAKE IT ANY WIDER OR IS IT JUST UH, YEAH, THE 10 PANELS RIGHT NOW ARE CALLED OUT AT EIGHT FEET.
WE WOULD MAKE 'EM 10 FOOT WIDE.
AND SO THAT WOULD MAKE THE, OVERALL, WITH THE PULSE SUPPORTS, MAKE IT, UH, 13 FEET.
AND IF, LIKE I SAID, IF, IF WE'D HAVE KNOWN WHAT WE WERE ALLOWED, WE'D HAVE MADE THAT OUR ORIGINAL PITCH.
SO, SO YOU WANNA GO TO, TO, DID YOU SAY TO 20 FOOT? YES, SIR.
I, IT'S KIND OF SOUND LIKE YOU SAID 22, AND I THOUGHT THAT'S A WORD OF MOUTH
UM, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I, I DO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
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NO, NOT TWO, SORRY.UH, 1, 2, 3, 4 PAGES PAST THIS ONE.
UH, 1 67 HAS A SMALL INSET SIGN OR PICTURE OF A EXISTING MONUMENT SIGN.
MCDONALD'S, GOODWILL, BLACK ROCK, DENNY'S, EXXON SEVEN 11.
THAT IS OBVIOUSLY AN EXISTING SIGN.
IT'S NOT PHOTOSHOPPED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WHERE IS THAT SIGN LOCATED? IT IS, IT IS NORTH OF OUR YEAH.
UH, PROBABLY QUARTER OF A MILE.
BY THE MCDONALD'S, ISN'T IT, ISN'T IT RIGHT THERE WHERE AS YOU TURN, AS IF YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE COMING OFF THIS FEEDER ROAD TO TURN INTO, GO TO MCDONALD'S, IT'S RIGHT THERE.
IT'S RIGHT THERE BECAUSE IT, THERE IS, THERE IS A NOTE ON, ON THIS MAP THAT SAYS GROUND SIGN, BUT I'M WASN'T SURE IF THAT WAS THAT GROUND SIGN.
SO THAT'S THE ONE RIGHT THERE AT SEVEN 11 MCDONALD'S? YES, SIR.
YOU GOT THE LITTLE CUT THROUGH AND THIS, THIS SIGN THEY WANT IS GONNA BE FURTHER SOUTH, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA BE WAY DOWN SOUTH.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A MONUMENT SIGN NEXT TO THE DAYCARE.
20 FEET AND THEN A MONUMENT SIGN NEXT TO THE GOODWILL 20 FEET.
IT MAKES SENSE TO ME BECAUSE YOU, WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING, IF YOU DON'T KNOW IT'S THERE, YOU'LL PASS IT.
SO WITHOUT A DOUBT I ABSOLUTELY, YEAH.
SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND IT DEFINITELY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE VISIBLE FROM ONE 30 BECAUSE THERE IS NO EXIT
YOU'RE GONNA GO BY IT AND BE LIKE, OH, WE MISSED.
WHEN WE TURN AROUND, HOW FAR YOU GOTTA GO? WE GOTTA TURN AROUND.
DOES THIS EVER HAPPEN TO YOU? ALRIGHT, UM, YEAH, THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHERE IS THIS OTHER SIGN AT? AND IT'S WELL NORTH OF THESE PROPOSED SIGNS.
UM, YOU ALREADY HAVE THE TENANTS THAT YOU KNOW ARE GONNA GO IN THE SIGN, OR IS THAT NOT DETERMINED YET? I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S NO LEASED ANYTHING YET.
NATHAN, DO YOU I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HE HAS 'EM YET.
I THINK HE HAS SOME LEASED, BUT NOT ALL OF 'EM.
UH, I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS THE DAYCARE FACILITY NEXT DOOR.
UM, HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THEM INCREASING THEIR SIGNAGE? BECAUSE IT IS LIKE VERY LOW.
YOU CAN, YEAH, IT IS DOWN VERY LOW.
UM, YOU NOTICE THE ELEPHANT, YOU DON'T NOTICE THE SIGN.
AND THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WHY WE ORIGINALLY WANTED TO RAISE OUR SIGNS UP IS BECAUSE TO GET ABOVE THAT BERM AND BE VISIBLE MM-HMM
YOU'VE GOTTA BE THAT MAKES SENSE.
BUT WE CAN LEAVE A BUSINESS CARD.
AND THEY WERE ONE OF THE, THE WITHIN THE 600 FEET RIGHT.
SO THEY COULD HAVE CONTACTED YOU IF THEY WERE CONCERNED.
JUST KINDA LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD LIKE, OH YEAH, WE MIGHT WANT TO INCREASE THAT SIGN HEIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I, I LOOKED AT THAT BIG TALL SIGN WITH MCDONALD'S, I THOUGHT IT WAS STRANGE THAT THE GOODWILL SIGN WAS ADVERTISED ON IT SINCE GOODWILL'S SOUTH OF OUR CLIENT'S PROPERTY.
BUT I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, IS GOODWILL GONNA TAKE THEIR SIGN OFF OF THIS ONE AND PUT IT ON THE WAY DOWN THERE?
WELL, THEY MAY, THEY MAY PUT ONE ON THAT ONE TOO.
ANYBODY, UH, SO UNLESS THERE'S ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 5.20 MY MOTION THAT WE APPROVE A VARIANCE REQUEST.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, MAY I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BEFORE WE HAVE A, UM, JUST SO WITH THE VARIANCE, WE HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC.
SO IF WE CAN GIVE THE DETAILS AGAIN IN THE, UM, IN THE MOTION.
IT WAS GONNA BE 13 FOOT LIGHT.
ADVERTISING TENANT PANELS, 120 SQUARE FEET.
120 SURFACE SQUARE, SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN OF COURSE IT WOULD BE FOR TWO SIDES FOR TWO SIGNS TO APPROVE A VARIANCE REQUEST
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FOR THE PROPERTY AT 1101 FER BEND DRIVE, UH, WITH THE, UH, CONDITION WITH THE, UM, ADDITIONAL VERBIAGE OF THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN TO BE 20 FOOT BY 13 FOOT WIDE WITH 120 SQUARE FOOT.AND THAT WOULD BE FOR TWO SIGNS.
IS THAT OKAY? IS THAT MOTION OKAY? PERFECT.
YOU WAY BETTER THAN ME TODAY, TONY.
ALRIGHT, SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WORKS AND A SECOND GOODBYE.
COMMISSIONER STEWART, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? NO.
HEARING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
AND COMMISSIONERS, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO NUMBER SIX, CAN WE RECALL ITEM 4.2? YES.
RECALL ITEM 4.2, UH, 4.2 IS CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION TO DISAPPROVE THE PROPOSED STROMBERG.
PRELIMINARY PLAT 3 27 0.14 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND CONSISTING OF RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, COMMERCIAL, AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES LOCATED SOUTH OF CR 1 32, APPROXIMATELY ONE MILE WEST OF FM 33 49.
AFTER THE AGENDA WAS SET, THERE WAS A SIDE CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT AND, UM, STAFF, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT TO DISAPPROVE, IT WILL BE TO APPROVE WITH THE, UH, CONDITION THAT THEY GET THE APPROVED DRAINAGE.
SO THEY WERE JUST MISSING THE DRAINAGE REPORT, SO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PLAT WITH THE CONDITION THAT THEY GET THAT APPROVED DRAINAGE STUDY PRIOR TO PHYTO PLA.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT WAS RECALLED AT 8 27, JUST WHEN Y'ALL THOUGHT YOU WERE DONE.
OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT 4.2.
THAT'S AND THE THREE, THE WIGGLE BAG, RIGHT? YEP.
AND THE DRAINAGE REPORT IS WHAT'S MISSING? I BELIEVE THAT IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT APPROVED YET.
IT'S STILL WORKING ON, IT'S NOT APPROVED BY WHO? IT WOULD BE BY STAFF, IF I'M CORRECT.
YOU WANNA COME UP HERE AND TALK
BASICALLY, INSTEAD OF HOLDING UP THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT, IT WOULD BE TO PROVE IT WITH THE CONDITION THAT BEFORE YOU GET TO THE FINAL PLAT, THAT THAT DRAINAGE REPORT BE APPROVED.
WE'RE THE CIVIL ENGINEERS FOR THE PROJECT REPRESENTING WAYMAKER VENTURES, THE CLIENT, UM, JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION, UM, THAT THE ITEM THAT WAS IN QUESTION HERE WAS, UH, SOME DRAINAGE CALCULATIONS, BUT NOT THE FULL DRAINAGE REPORT.
UH, MATT RECTOR, THE CITY ENGINEER, HAD REQUESTED THAT WE MAKE A SMALL CHANGE AT THE TIME OF CONCENTRATION, WHICH WE MADE.
AND THEN THE BOTTOM OF THE TABLE, WHICH I THINK IS ACTUALLY IN THE, UH, AGENDA BACKUP THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS, HAD A FEW CELLS THAT WERE EXTENDED DOWN THAT SHOULD HAVE JUST BEEN BLANK, BUT WE ACCIDENTALLY DRUG THOSE DOWN AND IT SHOWED UP AS DIVIDE BY ZERO.
AND STAFF HAD A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANT.
WE EXPLAINED THAT TO THEM AND SAID, OUR MISTAKE, WE HAD ADDRESSED YOUR TIME OF CONCENTRATION COMMENT, HOWEVER, ACCIDENTALLY DRUG THOSE, UM, FORMULAS DOWN TO CELLS THAT WERE INTENDED TO BE BLANK THE ENTIRE TIME.
UM, SO THE DRAINAGE REPORT ON THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN, UM, APPROVED.
UM, ALREADY THE, THE QUESTION WAS JUST THE, THE FINAL TC CALCS THAT ARE RELATED TO, UM, THE PRELIMINARY PLAN THAT YOU SEE, UM, IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO THAT IS PAGE 48 OF OUR PACKAGE.
SO PROBABLY IN YOUR AGENDA VERSION, THERE SHOULD BE SOME LITTLE VERY SMALL, VERY TINY.
UM, IN THE VERY FAR BOTTOM RIGHT, THERE WOULD BE A COUPLE OF, UH, CELLS THAT SAY DIVIDE BY ZERO THAT WERE JUST INTENDED TO BE BLANK.
IT SAYS CALCULATION ERROR ON MY SHEET.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE ADDRESSED WITH STAFF, UM, WITH ASHLEY AND MATT.
AND THAT'S, UM, BEEN ADDRESSED WITH THEM.
WE'VE PROVIDED THEM THE NEW SHEET.
UM, THEY HAVEN'T RE REPLIED TO THAT ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE SAYING, WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE, UM, ADJUSTED THOSE CELLS.
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OKAY.BUT THEY HAVE, UH, CONFIRMED THAT THEY'RE UNDER, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED THEIR COMMENT ON THE TIME OF CONCENTRATION, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL COMMENT THAT WE WERE ADDRESSING.
WHEN DID YOU SEND THEM THE CORRECTED SPREADSHEET? UM, THE CORRECTED SPREADSHEET WENT TO THEM, I BELIEVE YESTERDAY.
THAT, AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH, WITH ASHLEY ON, UH, UH, FRIDAY LAST WEEK.
SO, SO DOES THAT CHANGE THINGS ALL RIGHT? IT DOES FOR ME.
WE NEED TO GET THIS GOING, I THINK.
ALRIGHT, WELL THEN IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND I WILL MOVE.
OH, YOU WANT ME TO DO IT?
ALRIGHT, I'M MAKING A NOTE HERE.
ALRIGHT, SO I HAVE A MOTION BY MYSELF AND, UH, COMMISSIONER HUDSON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WORTZ.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT WITH CONDITION.
DO WE NEED TO RECALL IT AGAIN? NO.
CAN I SAY ONE LAST THING? THE, UH, THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY FLOODPLAIN THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING IS AVAILABLE ON WILLIAMSON COUNTY'S, UH, WEBSITE IF, AND IT HAS A LITTLE SLIDER WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE.
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN COTTONWOOD CREEK.
UM, YOU CHECKED AND SO I WAS LOOKING AT IT BACK.
UM, IF THAT MAKES YOU GUYS FEEL ANY BETTER ABOUT YOUR APPROVAL, ACTUALLY IT DOES.
I WAS TEXTING LOGAN WHILE I WAS BACK THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU GOT IT IN TIME.
ALL RIGHT, NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM SIX, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR REPORT.
WE'LL BE PLANNING MANAGER REPORT, BUT, UM,
UH, NORMAN DE DELAY, HE WAS ON ZBA, NOW HE'S ON P AND Z AND HE IS ALSO ON HPC.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, THANK Y'ALL.
WELCOME, WELCOME, WELCOME, WELCOME, WELCOME TO THE
LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I'VE DONE THIS BEFORE, SO YEAH.
JUST A LITTLE LARGER, JUST A DIFFERENT TITLE UP HERE.
UM, I DO HAVE A REQUEST, JOHN, I WAS GONNA FOLLOW UP WITH ASHLEY.
UM, THERE'S AN ITEM THAT LAURA SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT TO ASHLEY'S ATTENTION TO BRING TO PNZ FROM THE ETHICS COMMISSION.
AND THAT NEEDS TO BE A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.
IF THAT CAN PLEASE BE, UM, LOOKED INTO.
IS IT GOOD OR BAD? I AM NOT DISCUSSING THAT WITH Y'ALL TODAY.
FROM THE ETHICS COMMISSION? CORRECT.
I WASN'T, YOU DIDN'T HAVE EVERYONE PANICKED OVER THE NEXT TIME.
I, I'LL LOOK INTO IT AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT ON, UM, FOR NEXT MONTH.
DO WE HAVE A HARD COPY OF THE NEW THAT I COULD LOOK AT FOR THE NEW FLOOD? OR IS IT JUST THE, THE WHAT? THE NEW FLOOD PLA THE NEW FLOOD.
I'M USED TO GONNA HARD COPIES.
I'M GONNA TO, YEAH, I'M GONNA HAVE TO FIND THE MEETING WHERE WE DISCUSSED IT BECAUSE, UM, THEY DID GIVE US, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, PAPER COPIES OF IT.
UM, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S BEEN MORE THAN THREE MONTHS, RICK.
SEE, I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER DISCUSSING IT.
SEE, I, I COULD HAVE SWORE IT WAS LIKE MARCH MAYBE.
BUT, BUT YEAH, THERE SHOULD BE HAD WHAT, 15 MEETINGS SINCE THEN.
IF WE CAN, JOHN, ARE YOU ABLE TO PROVIDE OUR NEWEST
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MEMBER A COPY OF THAT REVISED FLOODPLAIN SO THAT HE CAN SEE IT FOR HIS, BECAUSE I THINK WE WERE GIVEN COPIES WHENEVER WE MET AND DISCUSSED IT.THERE WAS THE GUY, I DON'T REMEMBER THE, THE COMPANY THAT PRESENTED IT TO US, BUT RIGHT.
I JUST DON'T REMEMBER WHAT MONTH.
WE CAN, YEAH, WE CAN LOOK IN IT.
IT'S THE REVISED UPDATED AFTER ATLAS 14, THE MOST RECENT VERSION, UM, OF THE FLOODPLAIN.
AND IF YOU COULD, UM, I GUESS JUST EMAIL IT TO US, TO THE WHOLE, THAT WORKS BOARD WOULD BE GREAT.
I THINK IF THAT WORKS WELL, AS LONG AS I GOT A COPY OF IT, I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE IT.
BUT LIKE THE GENTLEMAN WAS JUST SAYING THERE'S A, LIKE ON WILLIAMSON COUNTY'S WEBSITE, THERE'S, YOU CAN OR YOU CAN DO A COMPARE.
IF YOU COULD GIVE US THE LINK TO THAT, THAT WOULD BE COOL.
SEE, I, WHERE I CAME FROM, I HAD TWO OR THREE, THREE RING BINDERS, THREE INCH THICK THINGS THAT HAD EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, WE WERE ONCE A YEAR WE WERE GIVEN BRAND NEW COPIES OF EVERYTHING.
OF COURSE, WE'RE TALKING SMALL TOWN TOO, SO YEAH.
OURS, OUR UDC AMIGO KANSAS WHERE AMIGO YEAH, I HEARD, I'VE HEARD OF THAT FACE.
THE LITTLE, LITTLE BOOM TOWN THEY PUT ON A FIREWORK SHOW, 4TH OF JULY THAT DRAWS 10,000 PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE STATE, ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
THERE'S ONLY 10,001 PEOPLE IN KANSAS ANYWAY.
NO, THERE, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, NO, NO.
BUT YEAH, NOTHING BUT YOU, BUT SUNFLOWERS.
WE, WE NEED TO KEEP THIS GOING.
ALRIGHT, SO I I WAS JUST TRYING TO ASK, UH, ARE THERE ANY SPECIAL CALL COMING UP IN THE NEXT THREE, FOUR WEEKS? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
BECAUSE WE DO HAVE UDC GOING BEFORE COUNSEL AGAIN.
SO CAN WE GET, OKAY, SO THAT HAPPENED, RIGHT.
AND IS THERE A NEED FOR US TO COME AGAIN BEFORE COUNSEL, OR ARE WE DONE FROM WHAT WE'RE OBLIGATED TO DO? THERE MIGHT BE.
WE WILL LET YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE NEEDED AGAIN.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MAY SEND IT BACK TO Y'ALL.
WE JUST KIND OF, WE JUST, WE DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS, BUT WE'LL DEFINITELY KEEP Y'ALL UPDATED IF WE DO NEED YOU.
THANK YOU, JOHN, FOR ANY SPECIAL MEETINGS.
I MEAN THAT'S, I I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, SET ALMOST 750 PAGES OF UDC AND ENGINEERING MANUAL, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S BEEN OUT THERE FLOATING AROUND FOR 18 MONTHS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY WANNA HAVE ANOTHER MEETING AND THEY WOULD TALK ABOUT IT AND P AND Z CAN COME IF THEY WANT.
YEAH, I'LL BE THERE WITH BELLS ON.
YEAH, ON A SATURDAY I'LL BE THERE.
IT MAY NOT BE BELLS, BUT THERE MAY BE NOISE MAKERS.
UH, THAT
SO WITH NOTHING FURTHER, WE WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AT 8:39 PM AND THERE, I GOTTA TELL YOU, MY FIRST PM.