Jul 26, 2025 Special City Council

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WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE SPECIAL CALLED CITY COUNCIL BUDGET MEETING FOR SATURDAY, JULY 26TH,

[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]

MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON HERE. COUNCILMEMBER MORRIS HERE.

MAYOR SANDERS HERE. COUNCILMEMBER GORDON. COUNCIL MEMBER.

PORTERFIELD OUT AND CUSTOMER KING HERE. ALL RIGHT.

WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THAT RIGHT? WE'LL SAVE IT FOR THURSDAY, I'M SURE.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL START WITH FIVE ONE. FISCAL YEAR 2026 PRELIMINARY BUDGET DISCUSSION.

[5.1 Fiscal Year 2026 Preliminary Budget Discussion (City Manager James Earp)]

JAMES EARP, CITY MANAGER. FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING TIME OUT OF YOUR SATURDAY TO BE HERE.

AND WE DO INTEND TO GET EVERYBODY OUT AND ABOUT THEIR DAY AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE, BUT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT MILESTONE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS.

THIS IS THE THE POINT WHERE WE'RE EFFECTIVELY SHOWING THE COUNCIL SIGNALING TO THE PUBLIC WHAT THE WHAT THE THINKING IS OF THE CITY MANAGER AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BUDGET GOES, TO GIVE THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO SAY IF THERE NEEDS TO BE A COURSE CORRECTION OR WHAT HAVE YOU, TO HAVE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT CONVERSATION TO HAPPEN.

IF NOT TODAY, THEN OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT WEEK BEFORE THE FINAL PUBLISHED BUDGET COMES OUT I THINK IT'S THURSDAY THE 31ST.

SO FIRST, BEFORE I GET INTO THE PRESENTATION THERE'S A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO MADE THIS PRESENTATION AND THIS YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS COME TO LIFE. AND THE ORGANIZATION AS A WHOLE, I'M PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT HAS REALLY COME A LONG WAY IN THE ABILITY TO HANDLE BUDGETING.

AND, AND THAT IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE REFLECTED WHENEVER YOU START TO GET INTO THE ACTUAL DATA.

SO TODAY'S SLIDES, OVERVIEWS. IT'S CONCEPTUAL.

THE DATA WILL BE COMING TO YOU NEXT WEEK. AND THEN ONCE YOU'RE IN THE DATA, I THINK YOU'LL SEE EVEN FROM LAST YEAR, STILL ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT STEP FORWARD AND IMPROVEMENT OF TRANSPARENCY AND INFORMATION AND THAT AND THAT DEGREE.

SO ON THAT NOTE, FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK ALBERTA AND HER FINANCE TEAM WHO HAVE BEEN HAVING TO TO SLAY A LOT OF LATE HOURS. WE GOT SOME HAPPY SNAPS GOING SLAY SOME LATE HOURS AND TO GET TO GET THE, THE MATH MAPPING.

WE DID GET THE THE ROLLS LAST WEEK. SO YESTERDAY, I THINK.

RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF THE TAXABLE VALUATIONS NOW, AND WE'RE ABLE TO, TO GET THOSE CALCULATED AND IN TO THE BUDGET ALSO OUTSIDE OF ALBERTA. AND HER TEAM IS GOING TO BE KATE MORIARTY AND HER TEAM MOSTLY THE VISUALS, THE DOCUMENTATION, THE FOLLOW UP, AND A LOT OF THE PROCEDURAL ITEMS HAVE HAVE OCCURRED.

FROM THE HELP OF KATE AND THE A2 TEAM, THE ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER TEAM AND FINANCE, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, CHRISTINA AND A NUMBER OF OTHERS.

SO AND THEN SHAYNA HAS HAD A ROLE IN HELPING US, YOU KNOW, WITH MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT IN THE IN THE WAY THAT WE'RE MESSAGING AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. SO THANK YOU. AND COMMUNICATIONS.

AND THEN DAVID AMSLER A LOT OF THE KPI PROGRESS THAT WE'VE MADE IS DUE TO THE WORK THAT'S HAPPENING IN STRATEGIC OPERATIONS.

AND THEN OF COURSE CAN'T TALK BUDGET WITHOUT TALKING CIP.

AND MATT RECTOR HAD HERE BEFORE THE BUDGET STARTED, AND NOW HE'S OUT.

SO APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME, EFFORT AND ENERGY THAT'S GONE IN THERE IN ORDER TO GET US A PLAN THAT'S EXECUTABLE AND, AND THE PUBLIC CAN CAN TOLERATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, THE DEBT ISSUANCES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO THAT'S I THINK THE THINKS IF I DIDN'T THINK SOMEONE THAT I SHOULD THINK I'LL HEAR ABOUT IT LATER AND I'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT IN THE FUTURE.

HERE. SO. SO TODAY WE'RE GOING TO HIT THE THE KEY BUDGET INITIATIVES, THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET CONSIDERATIONS, THE FACTS THAT PLAYED INTO IT, INTO FORMULATION OF THE BUDGET.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHERE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN STANDS AS OF RIGHT NOW.

I DO KNOW THAT PNC AND PARKS HAVE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL TO ADD IN NEW PROJECTS.

OUR ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE WERE GOING TO ISSUE, AND DEBT IS GOING TO STAY THE SAME. IF THE COUNCIL SO CHOOSES TO CHANGE PROJECTS, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.

BUT WE JUST WENT WITH WHAT WAS ALREADY ON THE SCHEDULE, ALREADY PREPARED AND PLANNED FOR DEBT ISSUANCE.

WE DID NOT MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO INCREASE DEBT ISSUANCES, TO ACCOUNT FOR NEW PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED TO BE PRIORITIZED.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE'LL COVER THE CALENDAR. SO THAT WAY WE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT GOING FORWARD. ALL RIGHT.

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THEY ADOPTED GENERALLY SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE STARTED ADOPTING IT ANNUALLY BECAUSE WE ALSO DO A REPORT OUT DURING THE FISCAL POLICY NOW. AND IT SHOWS A LOOK BACK ON HOW WE DID IN ACCOMPLISHING THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THAT.

WE ALSO TAKE THE INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC IN THE BIENNIAL BI ANNUAL COMMUNITY SURVEY.

THE SURVEY IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT IS A STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY, WHICH MEANS IT IT WITHIN PLUS OR MINUS, I THINK IT'S 5% ACTUALLY SHOWS SCIENTIFICALLY HOW THE COMMUNITY FEELS ON VARIOUS DIFFERENT TOPICS.

WE HAD THE CITY COUNCIL PLANNING SESSION IN FEBRUARY, WHICH WE DO ANNUALLY TO SET THE TONE FOR THE UPCOMING BUDGET.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE THE STRATEGIC VISION AND THE STRATEGIC PLAN WAS ADOPTED WITH THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT AREAS OF EMPHASIS THAT COUNCIL WANTED TO PRIORITIZE. WE HAD THE COMMUNITY WIDE BUDGET PRIORITY SURVEY.

WE CHANGED THAT FORMAT UP A LITTLE BIT THIS YEAR.

BUT WE DID RECEIVE A LOT OF FEEDBACK AND THEN ON PROJECTS AND THEN ON THE DAY OF I THINK WE HAD JUST UNDER 20 PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP TO TO DO PRIORITIZATION, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED AT THE PUBLIC BUDGET WORKSHOP.

AND THEN WE HAD THE CIP THAT WAS REVIEWED BY PARKS BOARD AND BY PNC, AND THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN SHARED UP TO COUNCIL INTERNALLY.

I DO DEPARTMENTAL ONE ON ONES AS THE DEPARTMENT SUBMIT AND BUILD THEIR BUDGET REQUEST TO GO OVER WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR WHAT THEY'RE ASKING.

AND WE ALSO HAVE A STAFF WORKING ON THE CIP AND TRYING TO MATCH UP FUNDING SOURCES WITH PROJECTS, AND THEN A NUMBER OF FIXED ASSET REQUESTS THAT COME IN FROM THE DEPARTMENTS AS WELL, THAT WE CONSIDER PUBLIC INPUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.

THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE PROJECTS THAT CAME IN FROM THE SURVEY THAT WE DID, AND THEN HOW THESE PROJECTS WERE PRIORITIZED.

THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FOR THE SATURDAY WORKSHOP WAS ADDITIONAL PATROL OFFICERS.

THE ASTERISK MEANS THAT WE HAVE INCLUDED SOME SOME ASPECT OF THAT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

SO ADDITIONAL PATROL OFFICERS WAS ONE NUMBER TWO ADDITIONAL STREET MAINTENANCE WAS ALSO INCLUDED.

WE INCLUDED A VEHICLE FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, ALBEIT NOT THE WAY THAT EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ASKED FOR IT.

AND THEN WE HAVE WEATHER MONITORING AND ALERT STATIONS FOR THE FOLKS WHO ARE OUT SIDE IN OUR PARKS AND OPEN SPACES, WHO COULD BE AT RISK FOR LIGHTNING, SEVERE WEATHER, TORNADOES, FLOODING, THAT SORT OF STUFF.

SO THE ITEMS THAT ARE ASTERISK ARE THE ONES THAT ARE FOUND IN THE BUDGET.

AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE KEY SCORES FROM THE GALLUP SURVEY INTERNALLY, THIS IS THE SURVEY THAT WE DO OF THE EMPLOYEES TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THE EMPLOYEES ARE.

SO IT IS ALSO MEANT TO BE STATISTICALLY RELEVANT AND ALLOWS US TO IDENTIFY LIKE WITHIN DEPARTMENTS AND THAT SORT OF STUFF TRENDS.

OVERALL, WE HAD A LOWERING OF EMPLOYEES RESPONDING THAT THEY FEEL THAT THEY HAVE THE MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT THAT THEY NEED.

THE ACTUAL SCORE, WHETHER IT BE 3 OR 4, THAT'S NOT NEARLY AS IMPORTANT AS THE TREND, BECAUSE THE THREE AND THE FOURS ARE BENCHMARKED AGAINST OTHER CITIES.

AND IN ONE INSTANCE AT 3RD MAY BE A REALLY GOOD SCORE, AND ANOTHER INSTANCE, A 3RD MAY BE NOT SO GOOD A SCORE.

WHAT DOES MATTER IS THE TRENDS. SO ENCOURAGEMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT IS TRENDING UP.

OPPORTUNITIES TO GROW THAT MEANS INTERNALLY IS SLIGHTLY TRENDED UP.

ENOUGH TIME TO DO THE WORK BASICALLY STAYED THE SAME.

IT CAME DOWN JUST 100TH OF A POINT. RECOGNITION IN THE PAST.

SO THIS IS THIS DEALS INTO EMPLOYEE ENGAGEMENT IS UP, PROGRESS DISCUSSIONS IS UP, AND OPPORTUNITIES TO LEARN AND GROW IS UP.

WE INSTITUTED A SUNSET COMMITTEE IS WHAT WE CALLED IT.

THIS WAS PRE PRE DOGE AND THINGS THAT STARTED HAPPENING AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

THE, THE IDEA WAS, WAS FLOATED AND PUT INTO INTO ACTION THAT WE WOULD HAVE A SUBSET OF EMPLOYEES WHO ARE NOT IN LEADERSHIP ROLES AS A DEPARTMENT HEAD OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, GENERALLY ARE NEWER TO THE ORGANIZATION WHO SAT DOWN AND LISTENED AND LOOKED AT EACH INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT'S OPERATIONS. TALKED ABOUT THEIR BUDGET LOCK, WHAT THEIR MAIN CONCERNS AND ISSUES WERE.

AND THEN THIS COMMITTEE, THIS EMPLOYEE COMMITTEE MADE A RECOMMENDATION IN THE FORM OF YOU KNOW BUT POTENTIAL BUDGET CUTS POTENTIAL OPERATING PROCEDURES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED OR PLACES THAT WE COULD GAIN EFFICIENCIES AND EFFECTIVENESS.

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AND WE'RE LOOKING AT CONSOLIDATING SOFTWARE PLATFORMS AND CENTRALIZING ASSET MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY THERE, TOO. SO THESE THESE THREE THINGS ARE DIRECTLY FINANCIALLY RELATED AND ARE REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET.

OKAY, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE ON SALES TAX REVENUE FOR THE YEAR AND WHERE WE ARE PROJECTING NEXT YEAR'S TO TAKE US.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE ESTIMATING TO IN FISCAL YEAR 2025 AT 10.38 MILLION.

WE ARE ESTIMATING 2026 TO END THE YEAR AT 11.2 MILLION.

THAT'S AN INCREASE OF ABOUT 900,000. IT'S JUST UNDER 10%.

SO THE THE GROWTH SEEMS TO BE SUSTAINED IN THAT, IN THE PROJECTIONS.

AND THAT IS OUR ASSUMPTION THAT WE GO INTO THE BUDGET WITH.

AND IF WE ARE WRONG ON SALES TAX, JUST LIKE THIS YEAR, WE HAD TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT AND ADJUST DOWN OUR PROJECTIONS MID-YEAR.

AND WE ALSO HELD EXPENSES THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

SO THAT'S HOW WE MANAGE TO NOT OVERSPEND BECAUSE WE ARE REQUIRED TO, TO RUN A BALANCED BUDGET.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU CANNOT DRAW DOWN AGAINST THE FUND BALANCE.

BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU CANNOT SPEND MORE MONEY THAN WHAT YOU COLLECT AND THEN GO ISSUE SOME SORT OF A PROMISSORY NOTE LIKE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MIGHT DO ON T-BILLS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. TO BALANCE THEIR BUDGET. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

HERE WE ARE BY PROPERTY TAX RATE. AND I KNOW THIS IS ALWAYS A CONVERSATION.

AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT LIKE WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FINANCIALLY? WHENEVER I DO THE FULL PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL ON AUGUST 7TH.

BUT RATE WISE, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE AT IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER CITIES THAT WE BENCHMARK AGAINST.

WE ARE CURRENTLY AT A TAX RATE OF 0.399, AND THAT PUTS US SLIGHTLY MORE THAN GEORGETOWN, SLIGHTLY LESS THAN LEANDER.

THAT IS EFFECTIVELY LIKE WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.

WE ALSO KNOW THAT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, GEORGETOWN, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS HAS THE, YOU KNOW, FIRE SERVICE IN-HOUSE.

AND WE HAVE AN ESD. WE UNDERSTAND ALL THAT TAX RATE WISE.

SO WHENEVER WE PRESENT ON AUGUST 7TH, WE'LL HAVE LIKE THE TOTAL IMPACT TO THE TO THE CITIZEN FOR EFFECTIVELY THE SAME TYPE OF SERVICES.

BUT THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT TAX RATE WISE. THAT WAS LAST YEAR'S NO NEW REVENUE RATE BY THE WAY.

SO THAT'S WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM. HERE'S WHERE WE ARE SHOWING THE THE TREND OVER TIME OF THE CITY'S TAX RATE.

THE TAX RATE ACHIEVED AN ALL TIME HIGH IN FISCAL YEAR 20, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN ADOPTED IN 2019 AND THEN HAS STEADILY COME DOWN BETWEEN 23 AND 24. EFFECTIVELY STAYED ABOUT THE SAME RATE.

LAST YEAR IT CAME DOWN A LITTLE BIT. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE OVERALL TREND OF THE OF THE TAX RATE.

NOW HERE IS A SNAPSHOT OF THE TAX RATE SCENARIOS.

THE BUDGET IS BEING DEVELOPED OFF OF A NO NEW REVENUE RATE.

THIS SHOWS YOU WHAT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE DID LAST YEAR FOR THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNER WITH A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AND THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNER WITHOUT A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

THAT'S THE 2025 BOX THAT'S ON THE TOP THAT SHOWS THAT LAST YEAR, THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE RESULTED IN HOMEOWNERS WITH HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS EFFECTIVELY NEEDING TO PAY $10.35 A MONTH MORE THAN THEY HAD THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

THE RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNERS WITHOUT HOMESTEAD, THEIR TAXES WENT DOWN $42.65 A MONTH OVER WHAT THEY HAD TO PAY THE PREVIOUS YEAR, IN 2026. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO SEE, BUT LIKE I SAID, THE BUDGET IS BEING DEVELOPED OFF THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE.

SO THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE FOR 2026 WOULD RESULT IN THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNER WITH A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION OF PAYING $5.04 A MONTH MORE THAN THEY THAN THEY DID LAST YEAR, AND THEN THE RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNER WITHOUT A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION UNDER NO NEW REVENUE, WOULD BE PAYING $1.39 A MONTH MORE THAN THEY DID THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

THE OTHER ONES ARE OPTIONS OF DIFFERENT TAX RATES, AND THAT'S SO THE COUNCIL CAN UNDERSTAND EFFECTIVELY WHAT THE IMPACT IS OF THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT TAX RATES. KEY BUDGET INITIATIVES IN THIS BUDGET THIS YEAR, OF COURSE, UNDER OUR FOUR PILLARS, AND TAKING GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION IN FEBRUARY IS EMPHASIS ON INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE AND RECONSTRUCTION PUBLIC SAFETY,

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WE HAD OUR OUR CONTRACT WITH WILLIAMSON COUNTY RESULTED IN OUR DISPATCH GOING UP BY $380,000 FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

SO THAT COMES OFF THE TOP OF ANY NEW MONEY RIGHT AWAY.

WE WENT AHEAD AND INCREASED THE STREET MAINTENANCE TO THE FULL 2.1 MILLION.

THAT THAT WAS A DELTA OF ABOUT 250,000. I'M GOING TO SKIP THE THE TOP RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S IN THE UTILITY FUND AND SAY THAT LAST.

AND THEN WE ARE PROJECTING FOR AN AVERAGE 2.5% INCREASE IN PERSONNEL.

SO THAT IS MERIT. BASICALLY, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING A COLA THIS YEAR.

WE'RE ONLY PROPOSING A 2.5% ON AVERAGE MERIT INCREASE.

AND THEN THE TOP RIGHT IS THE RECHARGE WHOLESALE.

SO OUR NEW WATER SUPPLY COMES ONLINE IN FEBRUARY, AND THAT WILL INCREASE OUR COST TO THE UTILITY FUND AND A TAKE OR PAY CONTRACT BY $4 MILLION PER YEAR. SO THAT THAT PLAYS OVER INTO THE UTILITY RATES WHICH THE UTILITY RATE STUDY WAS JUST PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING OF WHAT UTILITY RATES ARE LIKELY TO NEED TO DO OKAY.

OVERALL BUDGET. OVERALL PERSONNEL PICTURE FOR THE BUDGET.

CURRENTLY, AS WE STAND, WE HAVE 205 FULL TIME EQUIVALENT EMPLOYEES.

WHAT AN FTE IS, IS THAT ACCOUNTS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE PART TIME.

SO ONE PART TIMER IS A 0.5 FTE, TWO PART TIMERS EQUALS ONE FULL TIME EMPLOYEE.

SO WE HAVE 205 FTES. WE CURRENTLY HAVE EIGHT VACANCIES.

IN MY RECOMMENDATION, IN MY RECOMMENDED BUDGET, I AM MOVING TOWARD THE DIRECTION OF PROPOSING FIVE NEW POSITIONS WITH TWO RE CLASSES.

BUT I AM ALSO RECOMMENDING TO ELIMINATE THREE POSITIONS.

SO THAT WOULD BE A NET INCREASE IN EMPLOYEES OF TWO.

WE'D BE GOING FROM 205 TO 207. THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION THIS YEAR.

THE ELIMINATED POSITIONS THAT I'M RECOMMENDING TO CUT IS ONE POSITION FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, AND THEN THREE POSITIONS OUT OF THE UTILITY FUND A UTILITY TECH, AND THE SEAT OF SUPERINTENDENT.

WE DO HAVE TWO REQUESTS FOR RECLASSIFICATION THAT I'M INCLINED TO APPROVE, WHICH IS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO RECLASSIFY THIS ONE SENIOR ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TO AN EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. I JUST HAD A QUESTION ON THAT LAST ONE, I APOLOGIZE. YES, THAT'S THE ELIMINATED POSITIONS. ARE THOSE ALL CURRENTLY UNFILLED? THOSE ARE CURRENTLY VACANT. YEP. I'M NOT LAYING ANYBODY OFF OR PROPOSING TO LAY ANYBODY OFF.

THANK YOU FOR ASKING FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. THE SECOND ONE WAS IN FINANCE TO RECLASSIFY THE COMPTROLLER AS THE ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR. THE POSITIONS THAT I AM RECOMMENDING BE AUTHORIZED ARE TO POLICE OFFICERS, TO PATROL OFFICERS, AND THEN ONE ADDITIONAL POSITION IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR ACCREDITATION AND COURT COMPLIANCE, AND THEN TWO POSITIONS IN ENGINEERING TO CONTINUE TO ASSIST WITH THE CIP, WHICH IS A PERMIT TECHNICIAN AND THEN A CIP PROJECT MANAGER.

SO THOSE ARE THE FIVE POSITIONS THAT I'M PROPOSING.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S A NET TO INCREASE. HERE'S HOW YOUR PROPERTY TAX BREAKS DOWN FOR THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE THIS YEAR.

EFFECTIVELY THE TAX RATE WILL BE GOING FROM 0.399 TO 2.394.

THAT'S THE THAT'S THE EFFECTIVE CHANGE AND NO NEW REVENUE.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE ALSO LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS THAT ARE COMING INTO THE GENERAL FUND, INCLUDING SOME OF THE TAXABLE GROWTH IS IN TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONES.

SO THAT MONEY IS FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, SEQUESTERED AND PUT AWAY FOR SPECIAL PURPOSES FOR THAT TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE.

AND THEN SOME OF THE MONEY IS COMING FROM SKYBOX.

AND WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO SET ASIDE THE, THE VARIABLE PORTION OF THE SKYBOX.

SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE EXCLUDED FROM THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE BUDGETING AGAINST IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO RUN THROUGH THE ORGANIZATION WIDE.

AND WE'RE GOING TO GO BY DEPARTMENT REAL QUICK.

AS WE GO THROUGH AND PROGRESS, THERE'S ONE THING THAT I'M STARTING TO DO THIS YEAR THAT I HAVE NOT DONE IN PREVIOUS YEARS, WHICH IS TO EXPRESS THE COUNCIL, THE ITEMS THAT WERE REQUESTED THAT DID NOT GET FUNDED BY THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDED BUDGET.

WE'RE COVERING MOST OF THOSE TODAY. BUT WHAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO COVER TODAY ARE THE ITEMS THAT I CUT OUT OF THE BUDGET.

THOSE WILL BE IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION THAT YOU SEE.

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THAT'S IN THE STEP PLANS. AND WE HAVE STANDARDIZED CLOTHING.

WE'VE HEARD THE FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC AND IN THE PAST, AND WE HAVE JUST SET A STANDARD CLOTHING ALLOWANCE BASED ON WHETHER YOU ARE A FIELD EMPLOYEE, A OFFICE EMPLOYEE THAT SPENDS SOME TIME IN THE FIELD, OR AN OFFICE EMPLOYEE WHO IS JUST IN THE OFFICE, AND OF COURSE, THE ONES WHO ARE FIELD RELATED GET MORE BECAUSE THEY TEND TO TEAR UP THEIR CLOTHING OR NEED TO HAVE COLD AND WARM WEATHER CLOTHING.

AND THE ONES WHO ARE JUST IN THE OFFICE GET THE LEAST.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EFFECTIVELY, I CAN WEAR A POLO IN THE WINTER AND PUT A JACKET ON, WHAT HAVE YOU.

THAT THAT SAVED US. I WANT TO SAY I FORGET THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT I THINK THAT REDUCED OUR OVERALL EXPENDITURE BY SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF, LIKE, 25 TO $40,000. WE ALSO STANDARDIZE TRAINING AND TRAVEL.

THAT WAS ANOTHER ITEM THAT THAT WE WERE LISTENING TO COUNCIL IN THE PAST.

AND WHILE WE WERE WHILE WE WERE TRYING TO BE AS, AS AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE.

I THINK IN THE END IT ENDED UP CAUSING MORE CONFUSION.

SO RATHER THAN SAYING, OKAY, WELL, YOU CAN ASK FOR ALL THESE DIFFERENT TRAININGS AND THEN THEY'LL GET APPROVED OR THEY WON'T GET APPROVED.

WE JUST SAID, YOU CAN'T SPEND MORE THAN X DOLLARS PER PERSON TO TRAIN, AND YOU CAN'T SPEND MORE THAN X DOLLARS PER PERSON TO TRAVEL.

AND MANY OF THE DEPARTMENTS HAD TRAINING THAT WAS UNDER THOSE THRESHOLDS.

AND BY THAT, WE WERE ABLE TO SHAVE OFF ANOTHER 40 TO $50,000 IN TRAINING AND TRAVEL ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION.

OKAY, SO STARTING WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, NOT BECAUSE IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT, JUST BECAUSE IT'S THE WAY THAT THE THE GENERAL LEDGER FLOWS. WE'RE WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT.

WE'RE FUNDING UNIVERSITY CITIZENS UNIVERSITY, TOO.

AND WE ARE ADDING A, AN ENHANCEMENT TO FORD, WHICH IS THE THE ALL EMPLOYEE CONFERENCE THAT WE DO, CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE. WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING.

THAT IS A CHANGE. CITY COUNCIL, WE ARE ADDING IN FUNDING FOR THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION SECURITY REQUEST.

I DECIDED TO PUT THAT IN THERE BECAUSE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT ISN'T ISN'T OVERLY CONSEQUENTIAL.

AND THEN COUNCIL CAN DECIDE WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THEY WANT TO DO OR NOT. THE FULLY FUNDED THE DIB COMMISSION TRAINING REQUEST.

AND THEN WE MOVED INTO COUNCIL, THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT MEMBERSHIPS THAT THE CITY HAS.

SO IT CAN BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT. AND IT'S THE ENCORE AND ATMOS CITY STEERING THE ERCOT AND CAMPO.

YOU KNOW, THOSE AREN'T NEW EXPENSES. THOSE ARE JUST GOING TO SHOW UP IN COUNCIL, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHERE THEY BELONGED ALL ALONG.

COMMUNICATIONS. WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANY CHANGES TO PERSONNEL OR EQUIPMENT. WE ARE LOOKING AT SOME ENHANCEMENTS IN OPERATIONS THROUGH THE E-NEWSLETTER.

LOOKING AT SOME ADDITIONAL TECHNOLOGY EQUIPMENT FROM THE PEG FUND.

AND THEN WE WILL BE REDOING THE BI ANNUAL COMMUNITY SURVEY THIS YEAR.

IT'S TIME TO REDO IT SO THAT GETS REFUNDED AGAIN.

CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION. SO THE RED MEANS THEY REQUESTED AND I DID NOT AUTHORIZE.

SO THEY ASKED FOR TWO MORE INSPECTORS, TWO NEW VEHICLES.

AND I DID NOT AUTHORIZE THOSE THIS YEAR. COMMUNITY SERVICES AND CULTURE.

NO CHANGE TO PERSONNEL OR EQUIPMENT OPERATIONALLY.

AN ENHANCEMENT THERE FOR SENIOR WELLNESS AND NETWORKING.

BEGINNING MORE INTERACTION WITH OUR HOA AND THEN ROLLING OUT THE VOLUNTEER COORDINATION SOFTWARE, WHICH ALSO ALLOWS VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATIONS TO TO FIND PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING TO VOLUNTEER IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

SO IT'S NOT JUST A THING THAT WILL BENEFIT THE CITY, WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE, BUT ALSO CAN BENEFIT OTHERS.

DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ASK FOR TWO NEW POSITIONS.

I DID NOT AUTHORIZE THOSE IN MY PROPOSED BUDGET.

SENIOR RESIDENTIAL BUILDING INSPECTOR, WHICH WAS A PROPOSED CLASS AND THEN A DOWNTOWN HISTORIC PLANNER.

OPERATIONALLY, THEY DID ASK FOR ADDITIONAL SOFTWARE LICENSES FOR THE SOFTWARES THAT THEY NEED TO DO ENVIRONMENTAL RESEARCH.

AND THEN BLUE BEAM IS WHAT THEY USE TO INTERACT WITH PLAN SETS.

AND THAT SEEMS APPROPRIATE BASED OFF OF THE THE EMPLOYEES AND THE MANPOWER THAT WE HAVE OVER THERE.

SO THOSE ARE IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DID NOT REQUEST ANY CHANGES TO PERSONNEL OR EQUIPMENT.

AND IF YOU MIGHT RECALL, I ACTUALLY AM CUTTING A POSITION OUT OF THIS DEPARTMENT OPERATIONALLY.

WE ADDED IN A HOLDER EFFECTIVELY OF $10,000 FOR THE FACADE GRANT.

THAT'S A CONVERSATION I THINK THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN MORE DETAIL AFTER REREADING AFTER THE LAST PRESENTATION AT COUNCIL AND REREADING THE CODE.

I DO THINK THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT ORDINANCE AND CODE SHOULD BE REVISITED AND DETERMINE WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO

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BUT BUT I DID PUT A HOLDER OF SOME FUNDS THERE, BECAUSE THE WAY THAT I READ THE CODE CURRENTLY IS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THAT.

IT'S NOT REALLY SUPPOSED TO BE OPTIONAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF ITEMS HERE THAT THEY REQUESTED I DID NOT AUTHORIZE, BUT A NUMBER THAT I DID.

PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT, THEY, THEY ASKED FOR.

AND THIS WAS A JOINT REQUEST FROM EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ON CITY HALL SYSTEM UPGRADES FOR SECURITY AND OTHER ITEMS. THEY WORKED WITH IT AND PD AND A NUMBER OF OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES IN IDENTIFYING WHAT REAL UPGRADES NEED TO HAPPEN FOR SECURITY AT CITY HALL.

THE TOP TIER OPTION, WHICH IS IN RED, MEANS IT WAS EVERYTHING.

THE MID TIER WAS THE THINGS THAT I FELT WERE MOST CRITICAL AND ACHIEVABLE IN THE YEAR.

AND THEREFORE THAT'S THE ONE THAT I AUTHORIZED.

I WANT TO SAY THERE WAS ABOUT A HUNDRED SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO OPTIONS.

SO IT'S NOT INCONSEQUENTIAL, THIS ONE. THE THE LOW TIER OPTION WAS JUST DOING THOSE ITEMS, BUT THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN THE MID TIER. SO EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS IT'S NOT FUNDED TECHNICALLY, IT IS FUNDED IN THE MID TIER. EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ASKED FOR A SECOND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT RESPONSE VEHICLE AND THEY ASKED FOR A BRAND NEW VEHICLE INSTEAD.

I HAVE, I HAVE RE ALLOCATED A EMERGENCY SERVICE VEHICLE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO SERVE THEIR NEEDS FOR THIS YEAR.

ONE THAT WAS BEING THAT STILL IS SERVICEABLE, BUT IT'S BEING TAKEN OUT OF, YOU KNOW, ROTATION FOR PATROL PURPOSES.

SO THAT SHOULD GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO RESPOND AND TO GET ON SITES THE WAY THAT THEY NEED WITHOUT HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, GO AND AND ORDER A BRAND NEW TRUCK OPERATIONALLY.

WE NEED TO ENHANCE THE, THE RESPONDER REHABILITATION SUPPLIES AND THE AND THE PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF.

OUTDOOR ALERT AND WEATHER MONITORING STATION.

I'VE HEARD FEEDBACK ON THIS BOTH WAYS. I DECIDED TO PUT IT IN PREDOMINANTLY BECAUSE I THINK ONE IT WAS LISTED HIGH ON THE ON THE RESULT FROM THE PUBLIC, BUT ALSO JUST JUST THINKING ABOUT LOGISTICALLY, IF WE HAVE PEOPLE OUT IN OUR PARKS, PEOPLE PLAYING IN THE BALL FIELDS, PEOPLE OUT NEAR BRUSHY CREEK THE FRITZ PARK, YOU KNOW, COMING ONLINE IS GOING TO HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE.

AND WE DO NOT HAVE WEATHER SIRENS HERE. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN IN THIS TOWN, AT LEAST IN THE FORESEEABLE, YOU KNOW, PAST MAYBE, MAYBE PRE 2000, THEY WERE HERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT.

SO WE DO NOT HAVE WEATHER SIRENS. WE, WE RELY ON TEXT PUSH AND WE DO NOT TEXT PUSH.

UNLESS IT IS LIKE TORNADO IS HERE. TAKE COVER RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY TEXT. PUSH. THAT GO OUT THAT THAT I'M AWARE OF.

SO THESE WOULD BE GIVING US THE ABILITY TO ALERT THE FOLKS WHO ARE OUTSIDE AND VULNERABLE TO TAKE COVER AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. THE WEATHER STATIONS ARE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, RELEVANT DATA FOR US.

AND THEN FUNDING FOR CITY EVENT BARRICADES. WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE MORE AND MORE EVENTS THAT ARE DONE OUTSIDE OF CITY STAFF.

AND PART OF THAT IS THE SAFETY OF THE, OF THE OF THE ROUTE TO KEEP VEHICLES FROM DRIVING INTO A ROUTE, THAT SORT OF STUFF. SO THAT'S WHAT THESE BARRICADES ARE MEANT FOR ENGINEERING.

TWO OF THEIR REQUESTS FOR PERSONNEL I AUTHORIZED, WHICH WAS THE CIP PROJECT MANAGER AND THE PERMIT TECHNICIAN.

AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO BE IN MY PROPOSED BUDGET. SO THE ONES THAT I DID NOT WERE RIGHT AWAY.

AGENT, TRAFFIC ENGINEER, UTILITY ENGINEER. AND THEN I DID NOT INCLUDE CUBICLE ADJUSTMENTS FOR CURRENT AND ADDITIONAL STAFF.

OPERATIONALLY, WE ARE ADDING ADDITIONAL PROJECT MANAGER LICENSES TO OUR MICROSOFT PRODUCT.

PORTFOLIO, I GUESS IS JUST LIKE, I CAN'T THINK OF THE RIGHT WORD, BUT I'M GOING TO USE PORTFOLIO WHICH IS WHAT THE SIP MANAGERS ARE USING TO TRACK PROJECTS AND ALL OF THE RELEVANT DATA. SO THAT IS INCLUDED FACILITIES MAINTENANCE.

THERE IS A REQUEST FOR AN ADDITIONAL FACILITIES MAINTENANCE TECHNICIAN. I DID NOT AUTHORIZE THAT.

BUT OPERATIONALLY, WE ARE PUTTING IN FUNDING FOR ADDITIONAL POLICE DEPARTMENT ROOF REPAIR.

THERE WAS SOME ROOF REPAIRS THAT WERE ALREADY DONE IN FEBRUARY.

AND IT SEEMS THROUGH THE HEAVY RAINS THAT WE'VE HAD THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN HOLDING.

SO I KNOW WE'VE SEEN PICTURES OF LEAKING ROOFS I BELIEVE THAT THOSE ARE IN MUCH BETTER STATE THAN WHAT THEY WERE.

BUT THERE'S STILL A FEW MORE THINGS ON THE TO DO LIST, SO THAT'S FUNDED.

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AND WE HAVE BEEN REPLACING THEM. BUT THIS IS JUST TO CONTINUE THAT SOME WORKSPACE MODIFICATIONS THAT ARE IN PD AND OTHER PLACES, SOME IN CITY HALL. WE'RE LOOKING TO ENHANCE THE BUILDING MAINTENANCE FOR CITY HALL.

WE IT'S TIME TO START LOOKING AT REPLACING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WEAR AND TEAR.

SO THAT'S BEING FUNDED AND THEN ELECTRICAL IMPROVEMENTS OUT AT THE PUBLIC WORK YARD.

THIS IS A A NECESSITY FOR US TO ADD IN A LIFT FOR FLEET SERVICES.

WE CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT AN ELECTRICAL UPGRADE.

THERE'S ALSO NOT IN FACILITIES, ANOTHER ELECTRICAL UPGRADE IN PARKS.

SO I'LL MAKE SURE WE POINT THAT OUT. FINANCE AND MUNICIPAL COURT ARE REQUESTED TO REQUEST THE COMPTROLLER, AND I'M INCLINED TO AGREE TO THAT. AND OPERATIONALLY, WE'RE LOOKING AT SECURING METAL DETECTORS FOR THE COURT THROUGH THE COURT SECURITY FUND.

BUT ARGUABLY, THOSE METAL DETECTORS CAN BE USED FOR THINGS OTHER THAN JUST COURTS, SINCE THEY'LL BE HERE AT CITY HALL.

FLEET MAINTENANCE. WELL, I, I PIVOTED ON THE LIFT, AND I DON'T GUESS THIS ONE GOT CHANGED.

SO ORIGINALLY I SAID NO, AND I CHANGED MY MIND, AND I THINK I SAID YES, BUT EITHER WAY, UNLESS THAT'S UNLESS I'M WRONG ABOUT THE ELECTRICAL IMPROVEMENT. SO MAYBE I NEED TO LOOK TO KATE WHEREVER KATE HAS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT ONE IS CURRENTLY INCLUDED.

IT WAS A $30,000 LIFT FOR THEM TO NOT HAVE TO CONTINUE TO USE JACKS TO, YOU KNOW, LIFT UP ONE CORNER OF THE OF THE VEHICLE AT A TIME.

THEY DO NOT HAVE A FULL VEHICLE LIFT CURRENTLY.

AND BUT TO INSTALL WE HAVE TO IMPROVE THE ELECTRICAL OUT THERE.

SO IT HAS THE THE ELECTRICITY TO BE ABLE TO RUN.

HUMAN RESOURCES REQUESTED A HUMAN RESOURCE ASSISTANT.

I DID NOT AUTHORIZE. OPERATIONALLY, WE STANDARDIZED OUR CLOTHING, WHICH I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU ABOUT, UNIFORM EXPENDITURES TO SAVE MONEY. AND WE ARE WE ARE ADDING IN JOB PLACEMENT ASSESSMENTS FOR KEY EMPLOYEES.

SO THAT'S JOB FIT, THAT SORT OF STUFF. ASSESSMENTS PRIOR TO HIRE BECAUSE IT'S SUPER EXPENSIVE TO HIRE SOMEBODY AND THEN THEM NOT PAN OUT AFTER SIX MONTHS.

SO INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, I REQUESTED A SECOND POLICE IT SPECIALIST.

I DID NOT CURRENTLY AUTHORIZE THAT. THERE ARE, HOWEVER, THE COMPUTER REPLACEMENTS WHICH ARE CURRENTLY INCLUDED IN THE CAPITAL REPLACEMENT FUND. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THEM NECESSARILY LISTED IN IT IN YOUR GENERAL FUND.

BUT THERE IS MONEY GOING FROM GENERAL FUND TO CAPITAL REPLACEMENT FUND TO PAY FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF COMPUTERS.

WE'RE CURRENTLY ON A FOUR YEAR CYCLE, SO WE'RE NOT JUST REPLACING COMPUTERS WILLY NILLY, WILLY, SO TO SPEAK. ABOUT THE TIME THAT THE TECHNOLOGY STARTS TO LAG AND STARTS TO HAVE ISSUES IS THE TIME THAT WE'RE REPLACING IT AND NOT A MOMENT BEFORE OPERATIONALLY. WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING THE EXTERIOR ID ACCESS PROTECTION.

WE'RE THERE IS OTHER REQUESTS. CYBERSECURITY ASSESSMENT PATCH MY PC AND GOVERNANCE RISK COMPLIANCE PLATFORMS THAT I DIDN'T FUND AT THIS TIME.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M INDICATING THAT WE SHOULD NOT DO A CYBERSECURITY ASSESSMENT NEXT YEAR.

BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF IMPLEMENTING THAT.

TO ME, IT WOULD BE POINTLESS TO HAVE AN ASSESSMENT TELL US THAT WE NEED TO DO THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING.

WE NEED TO GET ALL THOSE THINGS COMPLETED, AND THEN WE CAN DO ANOTHER ASSESSMENT AND LET THEM TEST OUR CYBERSECURITY AND TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO DO NEXT.

SINCE OUR MODELS FOR PATRON COUNTING IS INCLUDED IN THE LIBRARY, THIS WAS A BIG ONE TO HELP THE LIBRARY OUT.

PREDOMINANTLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE BASICALLY MANUALLY HAVING TO COUNT EVERYTHING.

NOW, THIS WILL JUST ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN AUTOMATICALLY AND THEN FREE UP PERSONNEL.

AT LEAST THAT PART OF THEIR JOB. THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE MESSAGING ON TEAMS, I CAN'T READ AND TALK.

SO IF YOU REALLY NEED MY ATTENTION, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO WAVE AT ME. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. IT CONTINUED OPERATIONALLY, LIBRARY STUDY ROOM DISPLAY.

SO THAT'S THE STUDY ROOM PUTTING THE DISPLAY IN THERE.

THE LITERACY STATION. WE'RE INCREASING THE CLOUD BASED SERVICE SECURITY.

THAT'S AN ENHANCEMENT. AND THEN ENHANCE THE EMAIL SECURITY TOOLS.

LIBRARY OVERALL. REQUESTED PROGRAMS, OUTREACH COORDINATOR, LIBRARIAN, AND A BOOKMOBILE.

I DID NOT AUTHORIZE THOSE, I DID. WE CURRENTLY HAVE INCLUDED THE LIBRARY FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE FUND.

I DO BELIEVE THAT COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN DISCUSSING WHETHER THE TIMING OF THAT.

BUT RIGHT NOW, I'M STILL OPERATING UNDER THE DIRECTION THAT WAS TO DO THE LIBRARY FEASIBILITY STUDY THIS BUDGET YEAR.

SO THIS IS HOW WE'VE DONE IT. ALSO, THEY HAVE ASKED TO ENHANCE THE LIBRARY COLLECTION MATERIALS FOR REPLACEMENTS AND NEW BOOKS.

AND THAT IS INCLUDED. AND THEN THEY HAVE REQUESTED TO ALLOW FOR WI-FI PRINTING INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO ON TO THE HARD WIRE PRINTING.

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AND JUST ONE QUESTION. FOR THE LIBRARIAN, IS THAT AN ADDITIONAL LIBRARIAN OR A CLASS? THAT ONE WAS A CLASS THAT I DIDN'T AUTHORIZE.

OKAY. YEAH. AND ARGUABLY THAT EMPLOYEE THAT GOT THE MLS AND IS NOW ELIGIBLE TO BE A LIBRARIAN WILL BECOME A LIBRARIAN SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND WE'LL BACKFILL THE CIRCULATION CLERK POSITION.

BUT BUT AT THIS TIME, I DIDN'T AUTHORIZE THE REQUEST.

OKAY. PARKS AND RECREATION. A LOT OF REQUESTS HERE.

I DON'T I DON'T I DON'T WANT EVERYONE TO GET OVERWHELMED WITH THE AMOUNT OF READ RED HERE, BUT IT'S ONE. I WILL SAY THAT JEFF DOES A VERY GOOD JOB OF OF ADVOCATING FOR AND BRINGING FORWARD HIS PROJECTS AND IDENTIFYING HIS ITEMS. AND HE KNOWS THAT A NUMBER OF THESE ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT THROUGH THE FIRST REVIEW, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT COUNCIL HAS EVER REALLY SEEN HOW MUCH IS BEING ASKED FOR BEFORE. SO THAT'S PART OF THE PURPOSE IN CASE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I'M OFF BASE ON.

COUNCIL CAN SAY, YOU KNOW. WELL, I REALLY DO THINK WE DO NEED THAT.

WHATEVER. FILL IN THE BLANK. SO NUMBER OF PERSONNEL POSITIONS.

I DID NOT AUTHORIZE THE NEW PARKS MAINTENANCE TECHS.

ARGUABLY, WHEN FRITZ PARK COMES ONLINE, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO NEED ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL DOING PARKS, MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

I KNOW THE PARK ISN'T GOING TO COME ONLINE UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR, SO MY INTENT HERE IS TO TOUGH IT OUT AND LOOK AT IT NEXT YEAR.

BUT THAT'S EFFECTIVELY WHAT THOSE POSITIONS WERE ASSOCIATED WITH.

SEASONAL PERSONNEL. PARKS HAD ASKED TO. AND IT WAS IN THE THE CITIZEN THE CITIZEN EXERCISE TO ADD IN A TEEN CAMP. I DID NOT AUTHORIZE THE TEAM CAMP. THEREFORE, THE CAMP DIRECTORS AND THE CAMP COUNSELORS THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE TEAM CAMP ARE NOT AUTHORIZED. BUT THE THE CHILDREN'S CAMPS THAT WE CURRENTLY RUN.

AND I DID SAY YES, BECAUSE IT'S PLURAL. WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE LOCATION NOW THAT WE'RE RUNNING NEEDS ADDITIONAL RECREATIONAL AIDES AND CAMP DIRECTORS, AND THAT EVEN WITH THE GROWTH, THAT IS STILL MOSTLY NET NEUTRAL.

SO I DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. THEN WE HAD A NUMBER OF REQUESTS FOR REPLACEMENT VEHICLES, ICE MACHINES, INFLATABLES RIVERWALK FIELD FENCE AND GATE BATTING CAGES, THE GOLF CART, REPLACEMENT FIELD MOWERS, WOOD CHIPPERS ATTACHMENTS FOR THE ADVENT, WHICH IS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, KIND OF LIKE A MULTI-PURPOSE CONSTRUCTION MACHINE.

REBUILDING THE BASEBALL MOUNDS, DOING BUYING A TRACTOR.

AN ELEVATOR. NOT NOT A DARTH VADER, BUT AN ARROW.

VADER. AND THAT'S NOT THE THE, YOU KNOW, THE PAWNS AND STUFF.

OH, NO. I'M SORRY. THE ELEVATOR IS THE IS THE THING THAT THAT STICKS IN THE GROUND AND DOES THE AERATION OF THE OF THE GROUND.

DUMP TRAILER, POWER WASHER, TRAILER, AUTOMATED MOWER SAND PRO MOWERS WHICH, YOU KNOW, ALLOWS US TO BE MORE SPECIFIC AND ALSO MONITOR OUR, OUR WORKLOADS AND REPORT. FRITZ. TENNIS COURT RESURFACING.

AND THEN I CARRY ALL THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WERE IN PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT THAT DID NOT GET FUNDED.

WHAT I DID WAS AN UPGRADED THE RIVERWALK ELECTRICAL PANEL.

AND THEN THE ADVENT 530 ISN'T A NEW PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT'S EFFECTIVELY THE THE NEXT YEAR'S PAYMENT OF THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

SO I HESITATE TO EVEN PUT THAT ON THERE BECAUSE BUT TECHNICALLY IT'S A LEASE, SO WE COULD SAY NO OPERATIONAL REQUESTS.

WE HAD SOME CERTIFIED PARKS AND REC EXAM KITS, AND WE AUTHORIZED THAT WE DID NOT AUTHORIZE THE NEW TEAM CAMP ITEMS OR THE THE PLAYGROUND GUARDIAN SOFTWARE. WE DID AUTHORIZE REPLACEMENT OF RADIOS.

THESE ARE RAPID RADIOS. THE ADAM MORGAN PAVILION RENOVATION, THE FOOTBALL FIELD DOOR OPENER.

THE WINDSCREEN AT THE GEN BUILDING THE ORGAN PA SYSTEM AND FENCING.

AND THE MEMBERSHIPS. SO WE HAVE ALL OF OUR FOLKS WHO ARE OPERATING AND, AND RECREATION AND PARKS ABLE TO BE MEMBERS OF THEIR PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS. AND THEN ADULT KICKBALL HAS ADDITIONAL LABOR.

I THINK THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL KICKBALL GAMES AND WORK GOING ON THERE.

POLICE AGAIN? DON'T BE OVERCOME BY THE AMOUNT OF RED.

CHIEF IS ALSO VERY GOOD ABOUT ADVOCATING. NOT THAT THE OTHERS AREN'T, BUT YOU KNOW, THESE ARE BIG DEPARTMENTS, SO YOU EXPECT TO SEE A LOT OF ASKS AND BIG DEPARTMENTS. SO I DON'T WANT THE FACT THAT I'M SAYING THAT JEFF AND JEFF HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB TO MEAN THAT THE OTHERS DIDN'T DO GOOD JOBS, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF STUFF. THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE BEAST.

POLICE, I THINK RIGHT NOW ARE RUNNING ABOUT WHAT IS WHAT ARE THEY AS A PERCENT OF OUR OVERALL BUDGET FOR THE GENERAL FUND ALBERTA?

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OKAY, SO PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT, YOU CAN SEE THE LONG LIST THERE.

THE ONES THAT I DID AUTHORIZE WAS A CLASS FOR THE EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT TWO NEW POLICE OFFICER POSITIONS AND THEN THE ACCREDITATION AND COURT COMPLIANCE SPECIALIST.

THE ITEMS I DID NOT AUTHORIZE WERE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.

ADDITIONAL FOR MORE ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS, CRISIS INTERVENTION TEAM OFFICER AND A COMMANDER FOR OPERATIONS.

A COMMUNITY RESOURCE SPECIALIST, A POLICE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, SPECIAL INVESTIGATION SERGEANT, A CORPORAL, AN ADDITIONAL K-9 OFFICER, AND AN ADDITIONAL RECORDS CLERK.

AN ADDITIONAL OH, I'M SORRY, THE CRISIS INTERVENTION OFFICER VEHICLE.

A VEHICLE FOR THE CID. CORPORAL, THE PICKUP FOR THE NEW SERGEANT, THE RADIO.

AND THESE ARE, LIKE THINGS THAT YOU NEED IF YOU DO THE NEW PERSONNEL.

SO THAT'S WHAT THOSE ARE ALL ASSOCIATED WITH. THEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE MOTOROLA APP.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING AND, AND BUDGETING FOR ONE OF THE ANIMAL CONTROL VEHICLES TO BE REPLACED, THE ONE THAT'S IN THE WORST SHAPE. SO IN THAT REPLACEMENT ALSO COMES UPGRADES FOR THE RADIO AND THE TOUGH BOOKS AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.

SO THAT'S WHY THOSE, SAY FOR MOTOROLA AND PANASONIC TOUGHBOOK FOR THE ACO, WE DID NOT AUTHORIZE THE COMMANDER ONE F-150.

WE DID AUTHORIZE REFERENCE MATERIALS FOR THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATES.

WE DID NOT AUTHORIZE THE TECHNOLOGY AND RADIOS FOR THE NEW FTES, AND I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHY THAT'S THE CASE, BECAUSE THE TWO NEW ONES WILL DEFINITELY NEED RADIOS. SO I'LL, I'LL I'LL PIN THAT TO COME BACK TO WITH MY STAFF AND TAKE A LOOK AT WE DID DO THE WEAPONS AND AMMO AND FOR THE NEW FTS TABLETS FOR THE INVESTIGATION, PERSONNEL AND ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT.

THAT'S JUST EASIER FOR THEM TO DO THE WORK IN.

WE DID NOT FUND THE IN-CAR RADIOS FOR THE NEW AND REPLACEMENT VEHICLES.

I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT ONE EITHER, SO I'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT ONE. UNLESS SOMEONE WANTS THE WANTS TO WEIGH IN REAL QUICK AND EXPLAIN WHY WE'RE NOT FUNDING THOSE.

ARE THEY'RE IN THE OPERATING BUDGET. SO THINGS WEREN'T CAPTURED IN THE REPORT.

THEY ARE FUNDED AND OPERATING. OKAY. SO WE ARE DOING IT.

IT'S JUST IT'S NOT IN THAT SPECIFIC CATEGORY.

OKAY. WELL, IT CAN DEFINITELY READ THAT WE'RE NOT OUTFITTING OUR NEW POLICE OFFICERS WITH EQUIPMENT.

SO THAT'S NOT WHAT WE INTEND TO DO. AND IF IT DOES END UP THAT THAT'S THE WAY THAT THE BUDGET ENDED UP.

I'LL FIX THAT BEFORE THURSDAY. WE ARE DOING A DUTY WEAPON TRANSITION.

SO THAT'S FUNDED LESS LETHAL FIREARMS FUNDED, DOPPLER RADAR FUNDED, LIDAR FUNDED FLASHBANG FUNDED GAS MASK AND CANISTERS FUNDED. ENHANCING THE SMALL TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT.

AND I KNOW, MIKE, YOU LOVE SMALL TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT.

YOU KNOW WHAT'S IN THERE? BUT YES, WE'RE INCREASING SMALL TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT.

BALLISTIC HELMETS, SID INVESTIGATION TOOLS. SO A LOT OF THIS IS SAFETY.

IT IS ALSO ALLOWING US TO BE ABLE TO ENGAGE WITH POTENTIALLY YOU KNOW GROUPS THAT COULD BECOME VIOLENT IN A LESS LETHAL, NON-LETHAL WAY. AND WE DO NOT HAVE THIS LEVEL OF CAPABILITY THAT WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE.

SO THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF THIS IS. THE BALLISTIC HELMETS, AS YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND, ARE MEANT FOR ACTIVE SHOOTERS.

POWER DMS. AND I KNOW WE LOVE OUR ACRONYMS. SO CID IS CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS DIVISION.

DMS, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT STANDS FOR, CHIEF.

WHAT'S POWER DMS. YEAH, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A OKAY, BUT WHAT DOES IT DO? THE POWER DMS IS JUST A IT'S A RESOURCE TOOL THAT OUR OFFICERS USE FOR UPDATING THE THE POLICIES.

OKAY. IT IS NOT A RAP BAND IS NOT THE NOT NOT THE PD, NOT THE PD COVER BAND.

OKAY. POWER DMS. ALL RIGHT. COMMUNITY SAFETY EVENTS.

THAT'S AN ENHANCEMENT. ALSO AN OVERLAP TO A CERTAIN DEGREE WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, VICTIMS SERVICES AND CRISIS SUPPORT.

COMMUNITY OUTREACH. THEY DID REQUEST THE HONOR GUARD.

I DID NOT AUTHORIZE IT THIS YEAR. BUT I DO THINK WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE SHOULD CONSIDER AUTHORIZING AN HONOR GUARD AND STARTING TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT ASPECT OF POLICING AS WELL. WHICH IS GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, PRESENTATION OF FLAGS AND ATTENDANCE AT FUNERALS, THAT SORT OF STUFF.

THEY DID REQUEST THAT THE ACO FACILITY THAT WE TOOK BACK FROM THE, FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT WE RENOVATE THAT.

AND I DIDN'T AUTHORIZE THAT. PUBLIC WORKS ADMINISTRATION.

NO CHANGES, NO ASKS STRATEGIC OPERATIONS REQUESTED A OPERATIONS ANALYST THAT DIDN'T FUND THAT.

I DID, HOWEVER, FUND A QUALTRICS RESIDENCE EXPERIENCE PROGRAM.

THIS IS AN ACTION TOWARD OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE.

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AND SO THAT'S THE RESIDENT EXPERIENCE PROGRAM.

OPERATIONALLY, KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATOR DASHBOARD HAS BEEN FUNDED.

AND THEN WE'VE CONTINUED TO FUND THE HOW TO SOLVE IT, WHICH ROLLED OUT THIS YEAR.

STREETS AND DRAINAGE REQUESTED A NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT I DID NOT AUTHORIZE THEY.

THEY ALSO ASK FOR STREET BARRICADES. I DECIDED TO STICK WITH THE SECURITY BARRICADES FOR ENVIRONMENT, FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. AT THIS POINT THEY ASKED FOR A GAS POWERED PAVEMENT SAW.

I DIDN'T AUTHORIZE THAT. DID AUTHORIZE THE EQUIPMENT.

MINI EXCAVATOR, ADDITIONAL DUMP TRUCK, CRACK SEAL EQUIPMENT WHICH IS USED FOR STREET MAINTENANCE, STREET MAINTENANCE, DRUM ROLLER. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE RENTING A LOT. SO IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND WE'RE GOING TO USE IT.

LET'S HAVE IT. OPERATIONALLY WE'RE ENHANCING THE STREET REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE.

I TOLD YOU, WE'RE FULLY FUNDING THE THE STREET MAINTENANCE PLAN THERE AT 2.1 MILLION OVERALL.

OKAY, SO THAT'S THE GENERAL FUND SUMMARY UTILITY FUND. THIS IS WHERE OUR WATER WASTEWATER AND SOME OF THE ENGINEERING LIVES.

SO UTILITIES REQUESTED A FIELD SERVICES MANAGER.

I DIDN'T AUTHORIZE THAT. THEY DID REQUEST A 5550 WITH A CRANE THAT'S NEEDED FOR PULLING PUMPS AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.

SO I DID AUTHORIZE THAT AND SEWER CAMERA INSPECTION EQUIPMENT.

SO WHENEVER SOMEONE HAS A BACKUP IN THEIR SEWERS, THIS ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO GO INTO THE LINE AND TO BE ABLE TO CAMERA IT AND SEE WHERE THE PROBLEM ACTUALLY IS. THERE ARE DIFFERENT CAMERAS THAT YOU NEED.

SOME ARE PUSHED AND SOME ARE MECHANICAL, LIKE THEY THEY MOVE ON THEIR OWN.

SO THIS IS AN ENHANCEMENT IN SERVICE FOR WHAT WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW OPERATIONALLY.

WE WE NEED TO DO A CHEMICAL CONTAINMENT STUDY.

SO THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT WE DO WITH OUR STORED CHEMICALS THAT ARE HAZARDOUS, LIKE CHLORINE GAS, FOR EXAMPLE, IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. AND IN OUR SPACES WHERE THOSE CHEMICALS ARE STORED HOW DO WE HOW DO WE CONTAIN THOSE PROPERLY? AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A A PRETREATMENT LOCAL LIMIT STUDY.

IN THE UTILITIES, THIS IS EFFECTIVELY A PART OF THE INDUSTRIAL WASTEWATER.

THE FIELD SERVICES MANAGER. IS THAT AN ADDITIONAL ONE? THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL ONE. IS THAT ADDITIONAL ONE? YES, SIR. WHAT? I GOT THAT WRONG. CLARIFICATION.

THAT ONE IS A TANKER POSITION. SO WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL CONSERVATION COORDINATOR.

THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS. SO ONE MORE TIME IT WAS.

SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ACTUAL POSITION, IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE CONSULTATION REPORT.

OKAY, BUT IT'S STILL A NEW POSITION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY, SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR A CONFIRMATION. ON WHAT? CONSERVATION. YEAH. PERSON. NOT ANOTHER FIELD SERVICES MANAGER.

IT'S A IT'S A FIELD SERVICES MANAGER. BUT OVER THE THE STORMWATER WATER CONSERVATION THAT SORT OF STUFF.

YEAH. OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU. OPERATIONALLY, I THINK I ALREADY DID THAT.

OKAY. PRETREATMENT. YEP. SO THAT'S THE INDUSTRIAL PRETREATMENT UTILITY BILLING.

SO THIS IS THE THE FOLKS WHO HANDLE THE WATER BILLS, BUT THEY ALSO HANDLE THE TURN ON AND TURN OFF OF WATER SERVICES.

AS FOR ANOTHER WATER SERVICES TECHNICIAN TWO LEAD UTILITY BILLING COORDINATORS, AND THEN A NEW F-150 FOR THE FIELD FOR THE TECHNICIAN. I DID NOT AUTHORIZE THOSE.

I DID AUTHORIZE REPLACING VEHICLE FOR EXISTING WATER SERVICES TECHNICIAN THAT'S AGED AND IS DUE FOR REPLACEMENT.

OPERATIONALLY, WE'RE ALSO REPLACING THEIR SCANNER THAT THEY USE IN THE FIELD.

THAT BASICALLY. WELL, THIS MIGHT BE THE ONE IN THE OFFICE.

IS THIS THE OFFICE ONE? YEAH. THE OFFICE SCANNER FOR DOCUMENTATIONS.

AND THEN WE'RE ENHANCING THE SMALL TOOLS, INCLUDING LIKE A TORCH WELDER AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT THE FIELD FOLKS NEED IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR METER POOLS, METER SETS, TURN ON AND TURN OFFS. OKAY, SO THIS IS ALL OF THE FUNDS THAT THE CITY HAS. WE COVERED TWO. NOW, NOT ALL OF THESE ARE YOU KNOW, REQUIRE MUCH BRAINPOWER TO THINK THROUGH, BUT A NUMBER OF THEM DO. AND THOSE ARE THE ONES WHERE WE GENERALLY HAVE MONEY COMING IN AND HAVE EXPENDITURES ASSOCIATED GOING OUT AND SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNTS. SO THOSE ARE GENERALLY GOING TO BE YOUR HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX, YOUR COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE FUND YOUR TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE FUND, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. BUT JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S AWARENESS, LIKE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE IS, IS ITS OWN BUDGET, EVEN IF IT MAY JUST BE A SINGLE PAGE.

OKAY. SO FOR THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX FUND COUNCIL VOTED ON THIS.

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THAT IS GOING TO LEAVE US WITH A PROJECTED ENDING FUND BALANCE OF 867,000.

COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE FUND. THESE ARE THE EVENTS THAT ARE BEING FUNDED.

THESE GOT PUT IN HERE LAST YEAR. I HAVE A SMALL LITTLE CAVEAT, YOU KNOW, LITTLE PROVISO OR WHATEVER.

IF I CAN MOVE THOSE BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

I INTEND TO DO THAT IN MY RECOMMENDED BUDGET THIS YEAR.

I DO NOT LIKE SPENDING ONE TIME MONEY TO PAY FOR RECURRING EVENTS.

I KNOW WE DID IT LAST YEAR, AND I KNOW WE HAD OUR REASON FOR DOING IT LAST YEAR. BUT IF AT ALL I CAN MAKE THIS WORK IN THE GENERAL FUND, I'M. I THINK I'M CLOSE, BUT I'M NOT CONFIDENT, SO SO I'M TRYING TO GET THOSE EVENTS OUT OF THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FUND.

AND THEN MY RECOMMENDATION IS EFFECTIVELY, YOU USE THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE FUND FOR, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION, ONE-TIME EXPENSE THINGS, SIDEWALKS, PARKS, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO USE IT FOR, USE IT FOR THAT, AND NOT RECURRING COSTS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ASK IT HERE, BUT THE 4TH OF JULY EVENT THAT WAS CANCELED THIS YEAR.

OKAY, LET ME JUST ANSWER THAT REAL QUICK. I WAS GOING TO SEND OUT AN EMAIL ON THAT ANYWAY. OKAY. JEFF IS WORKING WITH THE VENDOR.

WE'VE PAID, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU PAY FOR THOSE THINGS AHEAD OF TIME BECAUSE THEY ORDER ALL THE PRODUCT.

SO HE'S WORKING WITH THE VENDOR TO COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE TO BRING TO COUNCIL, TO HAVE THE FIREWORKS USED BETWEEN NOW AND NEW YEAR'S.

SO NEW YEAR'S IS GOING TO BE ON THE TABLE, I BELIEVE.

EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY THAT'S JANUARY 1ST AT 1201.

BUT SO WE THERE'S A, THERE'S A YEAH, THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER LITTLE.

YEAH, THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER IDEAS THAT ARE, THAT ARE BEING FLOATED.

BUT HE'S, HE'S, HE DOESN'T HAVE THE FIRM ANSWER FROM THE VENDOR YET.

WHEN HE DOES IT'LL BE A COUNCIL ITEM. AND COUNCIL WILL DECIDE WHEN THOSE FIREWORKS WANT TO GET SHOT OFF. THANK YOU.

AND YEAH. DID I COVER EVERYTHING HERE? YEAH, I DID OKAY.

OH, ANOTHER THING I WANT TO SAY, ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE ANOTHER THING THAT I'M REQUIRING ON THESE SPECIFIC FUNDS IS I'M NOT ALLOWING US TO PROPOSE TO BUDGET AGAINST WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT IN THE UPCOMING YEAR FOR THINGS LIKE THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE FUND THAT IS HIGHLY DEPENDENT UPON PIDS CLOSING, NEW DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

I'M ONLY ALLOWING BUDGETING AGAINST WHAT WE DID COLLECT THE PREVIOUS YEAR OR WHAT IS ALREADY IN FUND BALANCE.

SO IF IT'S ALREADY IN THE BANK, THAT'S MONEY.

AND I KNOW WE HAVE IT. AND IF WE COLLECT IT THIS YEAR, THAT'S MONEY AND I KNOW WE HAVE IT.

THAT'S THE LIMITATION OF WHAT WE'RE BUDGETING AGAINST.

SO I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE BUDGET, SAY, $1 MILLION OF EXPENDITURES, AND WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT $1 MILLION WORTH OF REVENUE.

AND THEN OCTOBER 2ND HAPPENS, AND THEN WE GO SPEND $1 MILLION, AND THEN WE DON'T COLLECT $1 MILLION.

SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT DOING IT THIS WAY DOES.

THE DOWNSIDE TO DOING IT THIS WAY IS THAT YOU GOT TO KIND OF WAIT A LITTLE BIT TO GET YOUR MONEY TO THEN DECIDE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, BUT I EFFECTIVELY DID THAT TO US LAST YEAR, SO NOW IT SHOULD JUST BE THIS WAY GOING FORWARD.

HOW MUCH DID WE COLLECT THIS YEAR? THAT'S WHAT WE BUDGET AGAINST.

CIP. MATT DOES HAVE ACCESS TO A MICROPHONE SHOULD THERE NEED TO BE QUESTIONS.

BUT THE WAY THAT WE HANDLED CIP WAS AND I KIND OF ALLUDED TO THIS AT THE BEGINNING.

ANYTHING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE UNDERWAY OR ALREADY FUNDED THAT'S BEING FUNDED IN THE BUDGET.

ANYTHING THAT THE COUNCIL AS OF APRIL HAD INDICATED WOULD BE FUNDED WITH EITHER EXISTING DOLLARS OR NEW DEBT IS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. I HAVE NOT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET ANY NEW PROJECTS THAT THE PNC AND PARKS HAVE RECOMMENDED, BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW WHAT COUNCIL WANTS TO PRIORITIZE OR NOT PRIORITIZE.

HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THAT BECAUSE WE'RE PROPOSING NO NEW REVENUE.

ANYTHING THAT WOULD AFFECT MY INN'S RATE WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE MINNOW.

WHICH MEANS IF EVEN IF WE ISSUE DEBT THIS YEAR, WE MAY NOT HAVE TO MAKE BUT ONE PAYMENT.

SO IT MAY NOT HAVE A FULL IMPACT ON THE INN'S, BUT THE FOLLOWING YEAR IT WILL HAVE A FULL IMPACT ON THE INS.

SO. SO AS COUNCIL STARTS TO LOOK AT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, I'M BUDGETING THE DOLLARS TO BE SPENT.

IF Y'ALL WANT TO CHANGE PROJECTS, THAT IS IS NET NEUTRAL TO THE BUDGET.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO SAY HEY, WE WANT TO ISSUE MORE DEBT, THEN THAT IS GOING TO HAVE A A DELAYED IMPACT ON THE BUDGET AND POTENTIALLY RESULT IN, YOU KNOW A SMALLER MINNOW NEXT YEAR OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, POTENTIALLY.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THAT WE HAVE FUNDED IT THE WAY THAT WE FUNDED IT.

SO THESE ARE THE PROJECTS. IF THERE ARE ITEMS UP HERE, THE STUDIES HAVE BEEN INCLUDED.

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SO I DO EXPECT THERE TO BE SOME SHIFTING AND CHANGING AROUND AND MAYBE SOME ALTERNATIVE FUNDING SOURCES.

AND THAT'S OKAY. WE'RE READY FOR THAT. BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, THIS IS HOW WE'VE COVERED IT.

SO WE HAVE THESE STREET AND DRAINAGE PROJECTS LEGENDS OF HUTTO.

PHASE TWO. WE HAVE CONTINUING THE SIDEWALK RECONSTRUCTION PROGRAM WHICH IS THE CAPITAL PART AND NOT THE NOT THE OPERATIONAL EXPENSE PART. THE IMPROVEMENT AT 1660 NORTH AT MAIN HIPPO INTERSECTION AND THEN THE NORTHBOUND FRONTAGE ROAD.

INITIAL PLAN THERE FOR 130 STUDIES. WE HAVE THE EDGE SCHMITT DESIGN THE CARL STERN AND CHRIS KELLY INTERSECTION DESIGN AND THE OLD TOWN STREETS, PHASE ONE DESIGN PARKS.

WE HAVE THE RIVERWALK SOCCER FIELD, RESTROOM AND CONCESSION STAND.

THE LIBRARY COMMUNITY. I THINK THAT'S THE. OH, YEAH, COMBINED FACILITY PLAN.

AND THEN THE PARKS PUBLIC WORKS COMBINED FACILITY PLAN.

SO THOSE FACILITY PLANS WERE LISTED AS GOING THIS YEAR? PREVIOUSLY. SO THAT'S HOW WE HAVE IT CURRENTLY BUDGETED.

THESE ARE NEW PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE BEING ADDED IN THAT COUNCIL HAD PREVIOUSLY INDICATED WOULD BE FUNDED UTILITY PROJECTS, THE AVERY LAKE INTERCEPTORS THE IRONWOOD WASTEWATER LINES, THE HIGHWAY 130 WASTEWATER INTERCEPTOR, AND THEN THE IRON REMOVAL FOR THE WATER SUPPLY OUT IN SHILOH.

THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WOULD BE IN THE DEBT ISSUANCES AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS OF THE DEBT ISSUANCES.

SO THE STREETS AND DRAINAGE HAS 19 2130 AT THE BOTTOM.

OH, IT IS AT THE BOTTOM. IT'S AMAZING WHENEVER PEOPLE PUT NUMBERS.

ALL RIGHT. SO 30 MILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND EFFECTIVELY AND 72 MILLION IN THE UTILITY FUND.

FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THE SOUTHEAST LOOP WASTEWATER INTERCEPTOR AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

OVER ON THE STREETS IN DRAINAGE, YOU HAVE THE 137 AT 1660.

WE FEEL MUCH BETTER ABOUT GETTING THAT INTO CONSTRUCTION THIS YEAR.

I THINK MATT RECTOR HAS SIGNALED TO ME, AND I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, JINX IT, BUT I THINK WE'VE WE'VE GOTTEN TECH SUPPORT WHERE WE NEED TO GET THEM INTERNALLY TO FINALLY SIGN OFF BECAUSE THERE WAS A DEBATE AMONGST THE ENGINEERING, THE MAINTENANCE AND THE OPERATIONAL FOLKS INSIDE OF TEXAS DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH US. WE HAVE THE ED SCHMITT DESIGN GOING FORWARD.

AND THE 132 REALIGNMENT UTILITIES. I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE WASTEWATER INTERCEPTOR.

WE HAVE THE BRUSHY CREEK INTERCEPTOR, WHICH IS A BIG PART OF GETTING THE THE OH, WHAT'S THE LIFT STATION OVER THERE? THANK YOU. ENCLAVE LIFT STATION OFFLINE. AND THEN WE HAVE THE AVERY LAKE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS THE REQUIREMENT AND THAT WE HAD AGREED TO IN ORDER TO SERVE THE PEARL ESTATES AREA ON THE NORTHWEST PART OF TOWN.

SO HERE'S OUR DEBT ISSUANCE OVERVIEW. SOME OF THE SOME OF THE FUNDS WE'RE ABLE TO.

SO WITH OUR NO NEW REVENUE DEBT LIMIT, MEANING WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THE CURRENT MINNOW AND THE EXISTING INS RATE, WE COULD ISSUE 29.5 MILLION. I THINK WE HAVE A WAY TO CLOSE THE GAP ON THE 30.3 MILLION WITHOUT HAVING TO RAISE THE INS RATE.

WE DO HAVE A TWO PROJECTS SPECIFICALLY THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT PLANNED TO BE ISSUED AND I DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE THEM BUDGETED TO HAVE ISSUED DEBT.

SO THOSE ARE THE JUSTICE CENTER DESIGN AND THE LIVE OAK EXTENSION FROM BASICALLY FROM WHERE IT ENDS RIGHT NOW AT EXCHANGE OVER TO EDGE.

SCHMITT THOSE ARE NOT CURRENTLY FUNDED THROUGH DEBT ISSUANCE.

OKAY. SO THESE ARE JUST VARIOUS DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

AND WE COULD DELAY THE LIVE OAK RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY FUNDED.

THAT GIVES US SOME MONEY. WE COULD DELAY THE COUNTY ROAD 163 CONSTRUCTION, PARTICULARLY SINCE THE 137 LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO GO MUCH FASTER THAN WHAT WE THOUGHT, WHICH WOULD ALLOW OUR REALLOCATION OF 13.5 MILLION.

WHICH MEANS WE COULD WE COULD LOWER OUR DEBT ISSUANCE PROPOSED DEBT ISSUANCE TO THE 16.8 AS LOW AS 16.8.

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I PERSONALLY AM NOT RECOMMENDING THAT. I REALLY DON'T EVEN THINK WE'LL BE READY BY NEXT MAY.

BUT I'M DEFINITELY NOT RECOMMENDING NOVEMBER AS THE DATE, BUT COUNCIL CAN CERTAINLY DIRECT THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING.

POTENTIAL WEST LIVE OAK PROJECT AND POSSIBLE FUNDING THERE.

IF WE WERE TO CONTINUE TO BUILD THE WEST LIVE OAK PROJECT, WE COULD WE COULD USE SOME OF THE APPROPRIATED DOLLARS AND ISSUE MORE DEBT.

LIKE I SAID, WE COULD ISSUE UP TO 29.5 MILLION AND STAY WITHIN OUR PROJECTED INS AND MO RATES.

SO THAT'S HOW ALL THAT BREAKS DOWN. AND THAT BRINGS ME TO THE LAST SLIDE, WHICH IS THE UPCOMING CALENDAR.

SO I WILL TRANSMIT THE PROPOSED BUDGET TO CITY COUNCIL ON THURSDAY.

ALTHOUGH THAT DATE HAS EFFECTIVELY BEEN ERASED FROM THE FROM FROM THE FISCAL POLICY.

I'M MAINTAINING IT JUST BECAUSE I KNOW WE CAN DO IT.

AND WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE, AND IT GIVES COUNCIL TIME TO SEE IT BEFORE IT'S OFFICIALLY DUE BY THE CITY MANAGER.

IT'S OFFICIALLY DUE BY THE AUGUST 14TH DATE. SO I WILL TURN IT INTO Y'ALL JULY 31ST.

AUGUST 7TH, I WILL HAVE A MORE IN-DEPTH PRESENTATION ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAN WHAT WE JUST DID FOR THE PUBLIC.

SO NUMBERS, MATH, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS MATTER.

I'VE JUST TALKED CONCEPTUALLY TODAY, BUT THAT'S WHEN THE PUBLIC WILL START SEEING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME.

ALTHOUGH SOME OF THE MATH I DID SHOW DOESN'T CHANGE, LIKE THE IMPACT OF NO NEW REVENUE, THAT THAT EFFECTIVELY DOESN'T CHANGE.

BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO SAY THAT I'M FUNDING SOMETHING, BUT ANOTHER THING FOR YOU ALL TO KNOW HOW MUCH THAT THING IS, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF IT'S $1,000, MAYBE, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO HYPER FOCUS ON.

BUT IF IT'S $100,000, MAYBE YOU DO. SO AUGUST 20TH, AUGUST 14TH WILL BE THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU DISCUSS THE OFFICIALLY DISCUSSED THE TAX RATE.

YOU WILL NEED TO TAKE A TAX RATE VOTE. YOU WILL NEED TO BE A RECORD VOTE.

AND THEN THERE WILL BE PUBLIC HEARINGS BASED OFF OF THAT.

AT THIS MEETING, I'M GOING TO JUST TAKE THIS MOMENT FOR THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS IN CASE YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS, BUT WHEN THIS VOTE, WHEN THIS VOTE HAPPENS, YOU CAN SET THE TAX RATE AT ANYTHING YOU WANT IT TO BE.

AT THIS MEETING, HOWEVER, YOU CANNOT GO ABOVE IT AFTER THIS MEETING.

SO IN SOME INSTANCES. CITIES WILL SET IT TO THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE RATE.

THAT DOESN'T TRIGGER THE VOTE. THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE.

KNOWING FULL WELL THAT THAT'S NOT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO END. BUT IF YOU DON'T START THERE, THEN YOU CAN'T EVEN NEGOTIATE ANYTHING. THAT IS THE WAY THAT YOU LOOK AT THAT.

ALSO, IF YOU SET THE RATE HERE AND YOU GO TO THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE THAT REQUIRES DIFFERENT PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MEETINGS, THEN IT DOES IF YOU'RE AT NO NEW REVENUE. SO WHETHER THE COUNCIL CHOOSES TO SET IT AT NO NEW REVENUE OR NOT, ALL IT REALLY DOES IS SAY WHATEVER RATE YOU SELECT, YOU CANNOT DECIDE LATER TO EXCEED.

AND DEPENDING ON WHICH RATE YOU SELECT, IT MAY HAVE ONE ONE ADDITIONAL MEETING OR NOT.

THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THAT RESULTS IN 20. AUGUST 21ST IS THE DEDICATED CITY COUNCIL BUDGET WORK SESSION.

SEPTEMBER 4TH IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC TAX RATE AND THE BUDGET.

SEPTEMBER 11TH IS THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING AND GENERALLY THE MEETING WHERE WE WOULD ADOPT THE BUDGET.

WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ADOPT THE BUDGET UNTIL THE END OF SEPTEMBER.

AND WHEN I SAY REQUIRED, IF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T ADOPT A BUDGET BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER, THE CITY MANAGER'S PROPOSED BUDGET BECOMES THE BUDGET.

SO THAT'S ONE THING FOR THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS TO KNOW.

WE TRY TO ADOPT IT EARLIER IN SEPTEMBER WHEN WE CAN, PREDOMINANTLY AT THE REQUEST OF THE TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR WHO NEEDS TO START COLLECTING THE TAX RATES THAT WILL BE SENT OUT STARTING IN OCTOBER FOR THE FOLKS WHO HAVE TAXES DUE IN DECEMBER AND JANUARY.

AND THAT BRINGS ME TO THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.

SO MY QUESTIONS TO COUNCIL. IF THERE ARE COUNCIL PRIORITIES THAT YOU DIDN'T SEE.

TO TO LET US KNOW IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU DID SEE THAT YOU THINK IS A IS NOT THE RIGHT DIRECTION, LET US KNOW. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHARE EVERYTHING HERE PER SE, BUT YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST KIND OF GETTING A GENERAL REACTION TO IT. AND THEN IF THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS OR DIRECTIONS THAT YOU ALL WANT CONSIDERED FOR THE 26 BUDGET BEFORE I FINALIZE IT NEXT WEEK,

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THANKS, JAMES. AND FOR THE PRESENTATION. I'M SURE I CAN SPEAK FOR ALL OF COUNCIL THANKING YOU AND STAFF FOR PUTTING ALL THIS TOGETHER.

HAVING ALL THE SLIDES, HAVING ALL THE INFORMATION AND LISTENING TO A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING IN THE PUBLIC OVER THE PAST 12 MONTHS.

ALL RIGHT. DISCUSSION QUESTIONS, COUNCIL, QUICK PROCEDURAL QUESTION.

ARE WE ABLE TO GET A DIGITAL COPY OF THIS. THIS WILL BE IN YOUR FOLDER.

YEP. THIS GOES IN THE COUNCIL FOLDER. AND ANYTHING THAT WE DO GENERALLY PUBLIC GOES ON THE WEB PAGE ANYWAY.

THANK YOU. YEP. IS IT THERE NOW OR IT WILL BE I DON'T KNOW.

OKAY. KATE SAYS YES. SO IT'S. YES. WHERE'S THE PUBLIC FOLDER? IN TEAMS. TEAMS. THANK YOU. IT TAKES ME. IT TAKES ME TO USUALLY A CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO FIND IT.

GET IN THERE. I KNOW WHAT'S AHEAD. I'M JUST GOING TO FLAG A HOT LINK ON YOUR DESKTOP, SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THAT'D BE GREAT. ANYBODY GOT ANY COMMENTS? I'LL MAKE SOME. I'LL SEE MY NOTES AND THEN THAT'LL.

THAT'LL BE SPURS CONVERSATION. ALL RIGHT. I APPRECIATE YOU SHOWING US THE COUNCIL.

I'LL JUST REACH EVERYBODY IN MY NOTES. WE WERE SHOWING THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC WHAT THE CITY MANAGER IS WANTING TO DO HERE TODAY IS THIS IS CONCEPTUAL.

WE OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T VOTED ON IT. I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF THE SUNSET COMMITTEE.

WE DIDN'T CALL IT THAT. BUT WHEN I WAS TALKING TO MATT, I SAID ONE OF THE THINGS I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT MY MY FOLKS RETIRED FROM THE GOVERNMENT THAT I ALWAYS FIND IS THAT YOU INSTITUTE A PROGRAM, AND THEN YOU NEVER REALLY GO BACK AND ASK, IS THIS EVEN WORKING? ARE WE USING IT? YOU JUST AUTOMATICALLY RENEW PROGRAMS, RENEW LICENSES.

AND SO AND A COUPLE OF THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF SORE POINTS FOR SOME OF US WHEN YOU HAVE PHONE ALLOWANCES THAT TO SOME OF US, IF THE PUBLIC IS PAYING FOR A PERSON'S PHONE, THE PUBLIC OUGHT TO HAVE A RIGHT TO USE THAT PHONE NUMBER.

AND AND THEN SOME OF OUR TAKE HOME VEHICLES HAVE BEEN SOMEWHAT OF A SORE POINT OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE SOME OF THE PEOPLE HAVE MAYBE THEY JUST GO TO CITY HALL.

AND SO IT'S LIKE, WHY DO YOU HAVE A WHY DO YOU HAVE A VEHICLE ALLOWANCE IF YOU'RE JUST DRIVING TO WORK LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE? THE TAX RATE GRAPH EVERY YEAR, I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.

IT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION TO COMPARE OUR TAX RATE WITH OTHER CITIES, BECAUSE IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT TO BE AN HONEST REPRESENTATION OF WHERE WE'RE AT, YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE OTHER PART OF THE EQUATION EQUALS THE A TAX RATE.

SO IF WE INSTEAD SWITCH IT TO TAX BILL, HOW MUCH ARE PEOPLE ACTUALLY PAYING IN DOLLARS COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES? WHILE WE LOOK VERY COMPARABLE TO ROUND ROCK. A PERSON IN A HOME $700,000 PAYS LIKE $1,100 IN CITY TAXES IN ROUND ROCK VERSUS 1800 IN HUTTO. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE GRAPH IN THERE, IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A DEBATE.

IT MIGHT BE BEST JUST TO NOT COMPARE US TO OTHER CITIES, BECAUSE IT REALLY IS KIND OF COMPLICATED.

JUST LIKE IT'D BE COMPLICATED TO SAY HOW MUCH YOU GET PAID VERSUS OTHER CITIES IN TEXAS AND OTHER THINGS YOU COULD SAY, WELL, WEST TEXAS, YOU GET PAID TOO MUCH BECAUSE THIS LITTLE TOWN OF WEST TEXAS, THEIR CITY MANAGER, MAKES, YOU KNOW, $45,000 A YEAR AND YOU GO, YEAH, BUT THEY HAVE 50 PEOPLE LIVE IN A CITY.

SO JUST A COMMENT THERE. YOU KNOW, COLA VERSUS A TWO AND A HALF MERIT.

I'VE NEVER BEEN A FAN OF MERIT RAISES, ONLY BECAUSE THAT, I THINK, IS WHERE THE THE POTENTIAL IS ALWAYS FOR.

I LIKE THIS PERSON MORE. THEY'RE GETTING 3%. THIS PERSON IS NOT MY FAVORITE.

THEY GET 1% OR NOTHING. THAT'S. YEAH, THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S STRUCTURED.

IT'S IT'S YOU EITHER GO TO THE NEXT STEP OR YOU DON'T.

RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. I'M JUST SAYING CONCEPTUALLY TO ME EVERYBODY GOT HUGE INCREASES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T THINK THEY DID THE AVERAGE AFTER KATE GAVE US INFORMATION, THE AVERAGE SALARY OF AN EMPLOYEE FROM THE LIBRARIAN, THE THE CIRCULATION CLERK TO THE PARKS GUY UP TO CITY MANAGER, THE AVERAGE SALARY IS 85,500 PLUS BENEFITS.

THAT'S FOR ONE PERSON. THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD INCOME IN THE CITY OF HUTTO IS NOW 119,000.

SO, IN EFFECT, THE AVERAGE EMPLOYEE IN THE CITY MAKES MORE THAN WHAT ANYBODY THEY'RE SERVING.

AND USUALLY GOVERNMENT PEOPLE MAKE LESS BUT HAVE BETTER BENEFITS.

AND IT'S A WEIRD MARKET AND WE LOVE OUR PEOPLE.

SO I DON'T WANT TO I'M NOT SUGGESTING CHANGE YET, BUT THAT WAS JUST A NOTE I HAD.

I'M NOT REAL BIG ON SHOWING US THE CUTS VERSUS WHAT WAS ASKED.

AND I'M NOT REAL BIG ON THAT IS. I'M BIG ON JUST WHAT WHAT DO YOU NEED? AND SO IT KIND OF GIVES ME WHEN I SEE A BUNCH OF IF I SEE THINGS THAT ARE VIEWED IS ONCE, THEN IT'S LIKE, HEY, IS ANYBODY PAYING ATTENTION TO THE OVERALL ISSUE THAT WE HAVE HERE AND THE FOCUS THAT WE'RE DOING?

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I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY OFFICE EMPLOYEES WHO JUST GO TO THE OFFICE, GET ANY KIND OF CLOTHING ALLOWANCE. I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO OBVIOUSLY POLICE HAVE A SPECIALIZED UNIFORM.

THE PEOPLE WHO ARE STREETS AND PARKS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE PUBLIC.

BUT I'LL BE HONEST, I DON'T WANT TO PAY YOU ANY MONEY TO FOR YOU TO BUY A MONOGRAMMED SHIRT.

I MEAN, THE SHIRT I'M WEARING RIGHT HERE. THE CITY PAID FOR THE $3 TO HAVE IT MONOGRAMMED, AND I BOUGHT THE SHIRT MYSELF, AND IT'S JUST ALWAYS GOING TO BE A THING WITH ME THAT IF YOU WANT TO DO IT FOR FOR ME, IF YOU WANT TO DO IT AS A WARD'S FIVE YEAR ANNIVERSARY, YOU GET MONEY OR YOUR ONE YEAR OR TEN YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I THINK THAT'S COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE. BUT JUST TO HAVE MONEY THAT EVERYBODY GETS I ALWAYS STRUGGLE WITH.

SAME WITH SPENDING THE MONEY ON A PER PERSON FOR TRAVEL AND TRAINING.

I THINK THAT'S AN EASY WAY OUT OF ACTUALLY HAVING THE DISCUSSION.

WHY ARE YOU GOING TO A TRAINING SEMINAR? HOW IS THAT BENEFITING YOUR JOB AND AND THE PEOPLE, IF IT'S JUST EVERYBODY GETS A HUNDRED BUCKS PER PERSON ON AVERAGE FOR THE DEPARTMENT.

THAT'S JUST I'M TRYING TO BE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORD THAT IN A WAY THAT WON'T BE NEGATIVE.

I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US ADD PARKS TRAINING TO THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET.

I THINK IT WAS LIKE 1200, NOT 1200 $1,700. IT WAS MINIMAL, A MINIMAL ASK.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE VOLUNTEER SOFTWARE FROM THAT STANDPOINT.

AGAIN, IT COMES DOWN TO LIKE CORE RESPONSIBILITIES OF GOVERNMENT.

AND SO WE HAVE THAT CALENDAR. I THINK WE PAID LIKE $45,000 A YEAR TO HAVE A COMMUNITY CALENDAR.

THERE'S THREE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IN HUTTO THAT ARE CURRENTLY HAVING COMMUNITY CALENDARS.

SO IT'S 45,000 HERE, 20,000 HERE BEFORE YOU KNOW IT.

I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING REAL MONEY. JAKE, JAKE KNOWS WHERE I'M AT ON THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WEATHER STATIONS.

I'M JUST NOT A FAN OF THAT. AND I KNOW WE HAD SOME REALLY BIG ISSUES, BUT THIS DOESN'T SOLVE THE ISSUES THAT SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE HAD.

AND AND SO THAT, AS I UNDERSTAND, IS LIKE ANOTHER 45 OR $48,000 PER YEAR EXPENSE.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE BEST THING TO DO.

AND THEN BARRICADES, I GET IT, THE TYPE TWOS, FOR WHATEVER REASON, A NEW THING IS DRIVING IN THE CROWDS, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A BIGGER CONVERSATION, BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO TO OLD TOWN, YOU PUT BARRICADES UP. YOU CAN JUST HOP THE CURB AT 1660, DRIVE TO THE FIELD AND DO THE SAME THING.

SO RIGHT NOW, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT SPENDING 100 GRAND ON BARRICADES OR WHETHER THE NUMBER IS ACTUALLY SOLVES THE PROBLEM.

IT JUST MAKES US FEEL BETTER BECAUSE IT'S A MORE STOUT BARRIER.

BUT I ALSO THINK THERE'S A WAY TO GET THAT DONATED.

I DID MAKE A NOTE ON THE PDQ REPLACEMENT BECAUSE I THINK WE JUST DID $65,000 WORTH, SO I DON'T I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW HOW MUCH MORE WE GOT TO DO BEFORE WE'RE DONE, BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE BUDGETED AC REPLACEMENT LAST YEAR.

AND NOW TO FIND OUT, WE DIDN'T DO ALL OF IT. WE JUST DID SOME OF IT.

AND THEN THE SENSOR MODEL INFO FOR LIBRARY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

THE PATRON, THE THING THAT MONITORS THE COUNTS OF PEOPLE IN AND OUT THE DOORS.

YEAH. I MEAN, I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE. I GUESS IT COMES DOWN TO COST.

BUT, YOU KNOW, COSTCO, $1 BILLION COMPANY, AND THEY GOT PEOPLE TO CLICK.

AND SO IF THE IDEA IS, WELL THIS SAVES US SOME TIME.

IT'S LIKE YOU AND I HAVE TALKED. I LOVE THE LIBRARY.

I SPENT MOST OF MY HIGH SCHOOL IN THE LIBRARY, BUT THE LIBRARY HAS EVOLVED INTO SOMETHING MORE THAN THE LIBRARY.

I EVER KNEW IT AS. AND SO IF WE'RE WATCHING BACK TO THE FUTURE, WE'RE HAVING LEGO HOUR AND DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS AND AND, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT MUSIC EVENTS. THAT'S GREAT.

BUT IF YOU HAVE TIME TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TIME TO CLICK. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING IN? IT CANNOT. I'VE STOOD OUTSIDE FOR EIGHT HOURS THIS PAST APRIL ON SATURDAYS, AND THERE'S NO WAY SOMEONE CAN TELL ME THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE COMING IN THAT WERE JUST LIKE, CONSUMED TO WHERE WE NEED TO SPEND.

NOW, AGAIN, IF THIS SOFTWARE IS A COUPLE GRAND, WHATEVER, BUT IF IT'S LIKE 20 OR $30,000, YOU HAVE TO START THINKING LIKE, I MEAN, IT'D BE CHEAPER MAYBE JUST TO HIRE A PERSON TO JUST CLICK AND MAYBE A VOLUNTEER, I DON'T KNOW. LIBRARY FEASIBILITY STUDY. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

WE HAD PEOPLE COME UP. THEY SAY IT'S ONLY GOOD FOR A YEAR.

I DON'T SEE US BEING ABLE TO BUDGET A NEW LIBRARY IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

SO BECAUSE OF THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

TO ME, YOU DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY BEFORE YOU DO.

YOU PLAN TO DO IT. AND I KNOW THAT THAT DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH EVERYBODY.

AND AND THAT'S OKAY. I LIKE PEOPLE IN THE LIBRARY BOARD WHO ARE HUGE PROPONENTS OF THE LIBRARY, AND I LIKE PEOPLE ON THE PARKS BOARD WHO ARE HUGE PROPONENTS OF THE PARKS.

I JUST ALWAYS ASK, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE A HUGE PROPONENT, THERE'S AN OVERALL PICTURE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.

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WE HAVE THE PUBLIC WORKS, WHERE THE ADMIN HAS SOMEONE WORKING ON LIKE TRANSMISSIONS AND MOTORS ON OR ON HIS OR HER DESK.

AND THEN WE HAVE A LIBRARY THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE CRAMPED, BUT THEY'RE PROGRAMING.

IF YOU HAVE TO DO A REPTILE SHOW IN THIS IN THIS ROOM.

THAT'S OKAY, BECAUSE YOU CAN. WE CAN SWITCH TO LIBRARY, TO THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING.

THE PUBLIC WORKS SHOULD COME OVER HERE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE A LOT MORE HAPPY BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE ROOM TO DO THINGS. SO WE GOT TO LOOK AT OVERALL.

AND AGAIN, I KNOW I'LL GET HATE MAIL FOR THAT. BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT I LIKE IT.

PARKS MAINTENANCE TECHS, WE GOT A LOT OF THEM.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DO BECAUSE WE'VE OUTSOURCED ALL OF OUR MOWING.

WE HAVE TO REPLACE A BRIDGE. WE WE OUTSOURCE THAT.

SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT EXACTLY EVERYBODY IS DOING. I DON'T WANT I DON'T WANT TO DO LIKE A, AN ELON MUSK. WHAT'S THE FIVE THINGS YOU DID LAST MONTH.

BUT WHAT DO YOU DO THAT WERE A DOZEN PEOPLE ARE USING 40 HOURS A WEEK OF WORK.

AND THEN HOW MUCH OF THAT IS WHAT WE REALLY WANT DONE AND HOW MUCH OF THAT IS WE REALLY DON'T CARE AS A COMMUNITY AND WE DON'T WANT TO FUND MORE.

ALMOST DONE HERE. FLASHBANG GAS MASKS AND BALLISTICS.

HELMETS. I'D LIKE TO KNOW FROM THE CHIEF WHAT THAT ENTAILS, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I REMEMBER DURING THE GEORGE GEORGE FLOYD TIME WAS THAT THERE REALLY WASN'T A LOT OF POLICIES BY POLICE DEPARTMENTS, AND THEY WERE JUST USING THIS STUFF, AND I DON'T SEE US MISUSING IT. BUT I WOULD THINK THAT IF WE GO TO IF WE DECIDE TO BUY ALL THAT, THAT WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING ON THE CITY COUNCIL, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF WE HAVE A RIOT OR A DEMONSTRATION AND THEY BREAK ALL THIS GEAR OUT? WE NEED TO BE PREPARED. I THINK AS ELECTED OFFICIALS SAID, HEY, WE'VE AUTHORIZED WE'VE APPROVED THE POLICIES AND WE'VE BOUGHT THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S ABOUT TO BE USED. IF WE DON'T WANT THOSE POLICIES TO BE ENACTED, WE PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW SOME FLASH BANGS ARE USED FOR YOU'RE SERVING A WARRANT.

BUT THEN I STILL HAVE VISIONS OF AUSTIN WHERE THEY WERE USING STUFF.

THAT REALLY PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE A DUMP TRUCK.

I SWEAR TO GOD, EVERY YEAR WE BUY A DUMP TRUCK. AND SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY DUMP TRUCKS WE ACTUALLY OWN AND WHERE THEY'RE PARKED AT.

AND ARE THEY LITERALLY BEING USED, OR IS IT MORE OF A SCHEDULING? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THE REASON ABOUT A $200,000 DUMP TRUCK BECAUSE THERE'S A SCHEDULING ISSUE.

WE JUST NEED TO MAYBE SCHEDULE DIFFERENTLY. THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR AN F 550 AND A CRANE.

I THOUGHT WE'D JUST BOUGHT ONE. LIKE LITERALLY IN THE PAST MONTH.

AND SO IF WE DID, THEN AGAIN, HOW MANY TIMES IS THAT CRANE BEING USED? AND IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN SCHEDULE OUT THE YEAR? BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM AT THE PUBLIC WORKS TO STORE EQUIPMENT, AND WE'RE NOT FIXING THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

SO SAME WITH THE SEWER CAMERA EQUIPMENT. I THOUGHT WE JUST BOUGHT A VAN WITH A CAMERA SYSTEM IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A CARRYOVER, BUT THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FUND, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.

TO WHERE WE TELL EVERYBODY THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO IMPACT US.

BUT, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE GETTING A MILLION AND A HALF MONEY AND WE'RE GOING TO FIX OUR ROADS. AND IF WE SPEND THE MONEY ON, YOU KNOW, 4TH OF JULY, WE'RE LITERALLY BURNING UP TAXPAYER MONEY IN THE SKY.

THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE GOING FOR THE REASON FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

WHEN IT COMES TO PROJECTS. THIS IS GOING OFF THE OPEN GOV CIP.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE T 13 INNOVATION LIMMER FULLY FUNDED 2.1 BUDGET THIS PAST YEAR THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE.

WE HAVE THE T 47 LIMMER INNOVATION. INNOVATION ED SCHMIDT FULLY FUNDED 7.4 MILLION WE HAVE.

248 ED SCHMIDT TO 1660 7.9 THAT WAS FULLY FUNDED.

WE HAVE THE T 14 EXCHANGE SIGNAL THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING WORKED ON, FULLY FUNDED.

WE HAVE THE T 21 ALLIANCE BOULEVARD 2.75 MILLION.

THAT'S FULLY FUNDED. WE HAVE THE T TEN ED SCHMIDT.

THAT'S A 4 MILLION. THAT WAS BUDGETED, BUT IT'S IN THE BUDGET NOW IS AT T 32.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE SAME THING OR IF IT'S BEEN MODIFIED.

WE HAVE THE T 15 T15 EXCHANGE RECONSTRUCTION.

WE BUDGETED 2 MILLION IN THIS BUDGET WITH 2.3 MILLION IN THE FUTURE.

WE HAVE THE T9 LIVE OAK 9.5 ALREADY FUNDED AND BUDGETED.

WE HAVE THE T4 1660 SOUTH AND 79 4.9 MILLION BUDGETED.

WE'VE ALREADY SPENT 3.8 MILLION. WE HAVE THE D1 LEGENDS OF WE.

WE HAVE 3.6 MILLION IN OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR. BUT THE PROBLEM IS WE'VE ONLY SPENT $68,000 OF THAT MONEY, BUT IT'S IN THE BUDGET AS A NEW ITEM WHEN REALLY IT'S A CARRYOVER, I THINK.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE T5. 137 1660. WE BUDGETED 10 MILLION.

WE NEED 10 MILLION IN THE FUTURE. WE SPENT 27,000.

AND THEN THERE'S AN ATOM OR GAIN RESTROOM THAT WE'RE JUST NOW I JUST SAW IN THE PAPER AS BEING BUILT OUT.

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I SAID, I GOT AN IDEA. HERE WE HAVE. IF ALL THESE ARE TRULY IN A COMPUTER, RIGHT IS BEING FUNDED.

I WOULD ARGUE WE HAVE MORE ROAD PROJECTS FUNDED THAN WE'RE EVEN GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO NEXT YEAR, AND MAYBE EVEN A YEAR AFTER. BECAUSE IF WE COULD DO THEM THAT EASILY, WE WOULD HAVE DONE THEM THIS YEAR.

THAT ENDS IN TWO MONTHS AND WE DIDN'T GET THEM DONE.

SO THAT TELLS ME WE DON'T NEED TO BORROW MORE MONEY FOR ROAD PROJECTS, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE MORE ROAD PROJECTS FUNDED THAN WE CAN PHYSICALLY DO.

OR IF WE COULD DO IT, THEN I THINK THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO DECIDE, ARE WE GOING TO RIP UP THE WHOLE CITY AT ONCE? BECAUSE EACH ONE OF THESE PROJECTS IS PROBABLY A 12 TO 18 MONTH BUILD.

SO IF YOU CAN BORROW 29.5 MILLION AND STILL DO NO NEW REVENUE, TO ME THE QUESTION OUGHT TO BE WHAT STOPS US FROM JUST DOING A COE, ASSUMING THE LAW DOESN'T CHANGE HERE IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS? WHAT STOPS US FROM DOING THE COE AT 29.5 MILLION AND SAYING, HERE'S A DOWN PAYMENT ON THE JUSTICE CENTER, BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE EFFECTIVELY FUNDED TWO THIRDS.

IF YOU DON'T DOWNSIZE IT, YOU YOU'VE FUNDED TWO THIRDS OF THE JUSTICE CENTER.

YOU'RE AT NO NEW REVENUE. YOU HAVE MORE ROAD PROJECTS THAN YOU CAN PHYSICALLY DO IN A YEAR TO TWO YEARS.

AND THEN NEXT YEAR, IF THE IF WE CAN'T BUILD A POLICE STATION FOR 30 MILLION AND SAY IT'S 35 MILLION, YOU FINISH THAT UP NEXT YEAR. SO I THROW THAT AS A RADICAL IDEA BECAUSE I HAVE SAID I'M NOT GOING ABOVE NO NEW REVENUE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK M AND O DOES NOT ALWAYS HAVE TO GO TO SALARIES.

M O IS PART OF THAT. IT CAN ALSO GO TOWARDS DEBT PAYMENTS, EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO WHERE WE SQUEEZE IN.

YOU KNOW, WE FUND THIS. WE MOVE THE POLICE STATION FORWARD VERY QUICKLY, WHICH MEANS THE PUBLIC WORKS POTENTIALLY GETS MOVED UP A YEAR OR TWO.

THE LIBRARY GETS MOVED UP HERE TOO. AND, YOU KNOW, BY NEXT YEAR WE HAVE.

AND I THINK YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T EVEN COUNT THE DATA CENTER.

SO THAT'S ADDED COST OR ADDED BENEFITS. A COUPLE MORE THINGS.

TEEN CAMP WOULD LOVE TO KNOW IF WE'VE TALKED TO THE YMCA.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A TEAM CAMP, BUT I'VE NEVER BEEN A PROPONENT OF CITIES DOING STUFF LIKE THAT.

I'M A PROPONENT OF. HAVE WE TALKED TO THE YMCA? HAVE WE TRIED TO GET THE YMCA TO PARTNER WITH MADELEINES? AND INSTEAD OF US FUNDING 4 OR 5 SALARIES FOR A TEAM CAMP, EVEN IF IT'S FOR THE SUMMER? THERE'S ORGANIZATIONS IN HUDDLE THAT YOU COULD PROBABLY FIND WITH A WHOLE LOT LESS MONEY AND GET A WHOLE LOT MORE BANG, AND THEY COULD PUT IT ON, AND THAT'S REALLY THEIR FOCUS.

RAPID RADIOS, I THINK WAS WITH THAT'S PARKS. THE PARKS THERE SHOULD BE LIKE 60 RADIOS LAYING AROUND HERE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER APPROVED SELLING THEM. AND WE REPLACED THE RADIOS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN REUSE SOME OF THESE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THIS STUFF THAT'S SITTING AROUND OR SHOULD BE AND THEN KICKBALL LABOR. I'M JUST GOING TO TAKE THIS FROM A PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE MORE LABOR.

THERE NEEDS TO BE LESS. THERE'S TWO PEOPLE WHO WORK TO CONTROL THE SCOREBOARD.

IT ONLY TAKES ONE PERSON TO RUN THE SCOREBOARD, AND THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEONE THERE WILLING TO RUN A SCOREBOARD.

SO CONCEIVABLY YOU DON'T NEED EMPLOYEES. WHAT YOU NEED IS A VOLUNTEER THAT'LL RUN THE SCOREBOARD AND YOU KICK A RUN.

YOU PUT A ONE, YOU DO A TWO. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE SPENDING THE LABOR ON TWO PEOPLE, TWO BODIES TO RUN A SCOREBOARD.

IT JUST SEEMS IT SEEMS INEFFICIENT, WASTEFUL.

AND. AND THERE'S VOLUNTEERS. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? IF THEY. YOU CAN'T FIND A VOLUNTEER? THEN I'D SAY COME BACK, BUT I'M ALMOST GUARANTEEING YOU CAN DO THAT.

I WOULD ADD POLICE. I THINK I THINK WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW TO STAY AHEAD OF THAT FOR THE POSITIONS AND NOT BEHIND. PUBLIC SAFETY'S LIKE THE NUMBER ONE THING PEOPLE, I THINK WOULD RATHER SIT IN TRAFFIC THAN NOT HAVE POLICE.

AND I WOULD ALSO ADD A K-9. I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING, IF ANYTHING, FOR PRESENTS WHEN YOU'RE AT EVENTS JUST TO HAVE A CANINE WALKING AROUND SMELLING ITS LIKE AT THE AIRPORT. NOT THAT I DO DRUGS, BUT I FEEL SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT DO DO DRUGS BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS A DOG THERE THAT WOULD SCARE ME AND GIVE ME ANXIETY EVERY TIME I WENT.

AND THE LAST ONE WAS WHAT THE YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE ACO TRUCKS.

WE'RE GOING TO PLACE THE WORST OF THEM. JUST BE INTERESTED TO KNOW, HOW BAD ARE THEY? BECAUSE SOME OF THEM VEHICLES WE TRY TO AUCTION OFF, SOMETHING TELLS ME WE PROBABLY HAD TO PAY SOMEBODY TO TAKE SOME OF THAT INSTEAD OF, LIKE, GETTING MONEY. AND THE OTHER THING I'D SAY, MATT AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT WHILE YOU WERE GONE.

AND THIS IS MORE TO LIKE THE EMPLOYEES AND EVERYTHING.

I KNOW THERE'S SOME ANXIETY IN TERMS OF LIKE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE ON COUNCIL MAYBE HAVE THIS DIE HARD.

WE'RE GOING TO DO NO NEW REVENUE AND THAT'S IT.

AND IT'S JUST BASICALLY IT'S ON NEGOTIABLE. I WOULD GO TO AND I'D SAY THIS THE STATE OF TEXAS,

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THEY MAKE THE RULES FOR US. THEY'RE CHANGING THE WAY WE'RE DOING GOVERNMENT EVERY YEAR.

THIS YEAR MORE THAN EVER. AND I WAS JUST READING ON IT LAST NIGHT.

THE GOVERNOR IS LIKE HELL BENT ON CAPPING YOUR SPENDING THAT YOU CAN SPEND AT THE LOCAL LEVEL AND WHAT YOU CAN BORROW.

AND SO WE GOT TWO OPTIONS. WE CAN EITHER SIT BACK AND COMPLAIN AND CROSS OUR FINGERS AND HOPE IT NEVER HAPPENS.

OR WE CAN START. WE CAN START RUNNING THINGS THE WAY THAT THE STATE OF TEXAS WANTS US TO RUN IT, WHICH IS LEAN. AND IF WE DON'T LIKE IT, IT'S JUST THAT'S GOVERNMENT IN TEXAS.

WE HAVE TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT STATE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE UP ON IT. AND SO I THINK WITH THEM TELLING US WHEN WE CAN DO IT, HOW WE CAN DO IT AND HOW MUCH WE CAN BE BLESS YOU.

WE CAN BE AHEAD OF THE GAME AND WE CAN START OPERATING THAT WAY, BECAUSE YOU CAN ALWAYS SPEND IT LATER, BUT YOU CAN'T SPEND IT LIKE YOU AND I TALKED.

IF WE GO OUT AND BORROW A BUNCH OF MONEY, THEN THEY PUT A CAP ON IT.

WELL, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE LIKE, CHIEF, WE WANT TO GIVE YOU A PLAYSTATION, BUT YOU CAN'T BECAUSE WE BORROWED IT FOR A PARK, AND WE SHOULD HAVE PRIORITIZED DIFFERENTLY. OR WE BORROWED IT FOR A SWIMMING POOL.

AND SO I THINK IT'S JUST WORLD WE LIVE IN. BUT ANYWAY APPRECIATE BY HEARING ALL MY NOTES, I'LL SHOOT YOU A TEXT OF THEM.

NOT THAT WE HAD TO ACT OR DO ANYTHING, BUT I THINK OVERALL THIS IS A VERY, VERY GOOD CHANGE OF DIRECTION.

IT'S A VERY THOUGHTFUL BUDGET, AND I SEE A LOT EASIER TIME THIS YEAR THAN WE HAVE HAD IN THE PAST IN TERMS OF GETTING TO A CONSENSUS AND WORKING ON THINGS, BECAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY FROM YOU, YOUR DIRECTORS SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF LISTENING.

SO I THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

YEAH, I WOULD SAY OVERALL JUST IN GENERAL PRETTY HAPPY WITH WITH THE PRESENTATION THIS MORNING.

I THINK THE PRIORITIES ARE GENERALLY IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THINGS. WE ALWAYS DO.

I CAN'T REALLY JUDGE HOW I FEEL ABOUT EVERY SINGLE AD UNTIL I SEE THE BACKUP MATERIAL THERE.

GIVES ALL THE DETAIL ABOUT HOW MUCH IT ACTUALLY COSTS, AND WHAT THE ACTUAL NEED AND BENEFIT OF THOSE ITEMS ARE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO TELL THE BANG FOR THE BUCK AND EVERYTHING.

I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE SPENDING ON ON WEATHER ALERTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE STATE IN GENERAL THIS YEAR.

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SPENDING IT FOR THINGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. AND THEN ALSO WHILE THE STATE IS COMING UP WITH 20 WAYS TO MAKE LIFE HARDER FOR CITY GOVERNMENT, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE PUTTING A BUCKET OF MONEY OUT THERE FOR WEATHER ALERTS.

AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO TO GET STATE FUNDING FOR ANYTHING THAT WE CAN TO TO NOT PUT THAT BURDEN LOCALLY.

OKAY. I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF SEEING WHAT WE CAN SAVE AVE ON ON ANY ADDITIONAL BOND FUNDING TO APPLY TO THE JUSTICE CENTER TO REALLY GET A CHUNK OF THAT WITHOUT HAVING A TAX IMPACT FROM THAT.

AND THEN WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE EXERCISE OF RIGHTSIZING THAT, SO THAT IT'S A FACILITY THAT WE CAN GROW INTO AND WE CAN ADD TO WITH IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY GOING FORWARD, BUT MIGHT NOT HAVE EVERYTHING THAT WAS ASKED FOR TODAY, BUT GIVES US A PATH TO GET THERE EVENTUALLY. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO DO IT, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT, FIGURE THAT COST OUT, AND THEN JUST HAVE THAT DIFFERENTIAL DEAL WITH NEXT YEAR.

I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. OKAY. LET'S SEE.

AND YEAH, NO, I MEAN, I YOU KNOW, I CAN FIND THINGS THAT, THAT DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT THAT I LOOKED AT AND SAID, OOH, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF WISH WE COULD PUT THAT IN. I'M SURE EVERYBODY HAS A FEELING LIKE THAT.

BUT AGAIN, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BACK UP ON THAT TOO AND SEE WHAT THE COST WAS AND AND SEE WHAT THE BENEFIT IS TO.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THAT WITH, WITH EVERYTHING AND I'M SURE WE'LL KICK A FEW THINGS OUT, PUT A FEW THINGS IN. BUT I THINK IN GENERAL IT'S IT'S A GOOD DIRECTION.

I THINK WE'VE GOT A GOOD START. YEAH, I'D AGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK THIS WAS A REALLY GREAT START. THANK YOU JAMES, TO YOUR TEAM AND ALBERTA TO YOUR TEAM.

I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA TO LOOK AT THE BOND ISSUANCE AND SEE HOW THAT COULD BE APPLIED TO THE JUSTICE CENTER, SO WE COULD GET THAT GOING. THERE'S A LOT THAT WAS CUT OUT.

I APPRECIATE YOU PROVIDING THAT SO THAT CITIZENS CAN SEE THE FULL TRANSPARENCY OF WHAT YOU WERE ASKED FOR, WHAT THE DEPARTMENTS FEEL LIKE THEY NEED AND WHAT YOU, YOU KNOW, HAD TO HAD TO MAKE SOME DIFFICULT DECISIONS ON.

I THINK THAT'S KEY TO MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE AS FAR AS WHY WE HAVE IT, WHY WE DON'T HAVE IT, WHAT'S IT FOR? WHAT'S IT GOING TO BE? UTILIZED FOR IF WE DO END UP GETTING SOMETHING OR NOT GETTING SOMETHING.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I'LL BE LOOKING FOR THE THE BACKUP MATERIAL.

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BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW JUST COMMENTING ON, YOU KNOW, THIS PRESENTATION IS A LITTLE PREMATURE BEFORE SEEING, YOU KNOW, THE FULL GAMUT OF WORK THAT THAT YOU'LL PROVIDE LATER.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I ECHO EVERYONE WHAT OTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SAID SPEAKING TO YOU? THANK YOU. SORRY. SORRY FOR TAKING CARE OF ME.

I AGREE THAT JUSTICE CENTER, I THINK, IS NUMBER ONE.

I MEAN, HOW I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THERE IS A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT'S ON THAT AND HOW TO BUILD OUT THE SPACE SO WE CAN FILL IT IN AS FUTURE NEEDS ARE, YOU KNOW, LIKE NINE ONE CALL CENTER AND AND REWIRING IT AND GETTING IT ALL READY TO GO.

SO WE JUST HAVE TO PUT EQUIPMENT IN THERE AND EMPLOYEES.

SO AGAIN I JUST ECHO THAT THE THE JUSTICE CENTER IS NUMBER ONE ON MY PRIORITY NUMBER TWO IS THE THE ROADS AND JUST TRANSPORTATION IN GENERAL.

AND YOU KNOW, THE WATER AND WASTEWATER KIND OF TAKE CARE OF ITSELF.

ENGINEER, CITY ENGINEER DIRECTOR HAS HAS SHOWN IN MY TIME ON P&G THAT THERE'S CERTAIN ORDER TO THINGS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF HIS TECH RELATED, SOME OF IT'S JUST WE'RE DEVELOPMENT IS AND ALSO JUST BEING SMART.

AND I THINK THE CITY STAFF UNDER ASHLEY AND ENGINEERING AND DIRECTOR.

SORRY. MATT. ASHLEY. DIRECTOR SERVICES. I'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB AT DOING THAT AND PRIORITIZING THAT.

AND I JUST THINK CONTINUE WITH THAT. AND KUDOS TO YOU GUYS AND YOUR TEAM FOR THAT.

I KNOW THERE'S THE WHAT IS SHOVEL READY AS SOME, SOME MEMBERS HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, JUST GET ON THAT PRIORITIZE WHAT YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO MICROMANAGE ON A WEEKLY BASIS ON WHY ISN'T THIS WHOLE FIELD TYPE OF THING.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS ANY TYPE OF DELAYS OR, OUR, OUR, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE THAT UNFORESEEN, THEY ALWAYS HAPPEN IN A PROJECT IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CAN BE AS PROACTIVE AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT GETTING IN THE WAY OF HELPING GET THESE PROJECTS GOING.

AND I'M A LITTLE OUT OF MY SPHERE OF KNOWLEDGE IS WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WANT TO BE PROACTIVE IN THAT AS BEST I CAN.

NUMBER THREE AS EMPLOYEES HERE, I THINK IS I THINK OUR NUMBER ONE RESOURCE IN ANY ORGANIZATION IS OUR EMPLOYEES.

I KNOW THAT WHEN THE CURRENT BUDGETS, CONSTRAINTS AND THE HISTORY OF IN THE RECENT THREE, FIVE, SIX YEARS, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE THE MOST EMPLOYEES THAT ARE HERE.

REMEMBER THE 42? I DON'T WANT EVER TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN AGAIN.

IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LAST 42 PEOPLE, BECAUSE I THINK WE DID. WE HAD POOR BUDGET MANAGEMENT.

SO I WANT TO MAKE THE MOST OF THE EMPLOYEES HERE. NEVER HAVE THAT EVER OCCURRED. NOT EVEN A HINT OF IT. BUT BUT HOW DO YOU DO THAT WITHOUT ADDING A WHOLE LOT OF EXTRA BODIES THROUGH TRAINING TOOLS, WHETHER IT BE SOFTWARE OR OR PHYSICAL EQUIPMENT IN PUBLIC WORKS AND OFFICERS, OF COURSE. WHAT ARE THE TOOLS THEY NEED SO WE CAN MAKE THE MOST OUT OF THAT INDIVIDUAL PERSON AND MAXIMIZE THEIR PRODUCTION AND EFFORT, BUT ALSO IN A WAY THAT THEY'RE NOT OVERBURDENED.

AND THEY DON'T FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE. I WANT EMPLOYEES TO FEEL COMFORTABLE, BOTH EMOTIONALLY, PHYSICALLY, MENTALLY AND PRODUCTIVITY. YOU KNOW, IF A PRODUCTIVE EMPLOYEE FEELS GOOD ABOUT THEMSELVES AND GOOD ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION AND GOOD ABOUT THEY FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE, THE MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE.

I ALWAYS SAY, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOVE GOING TO WORK, YOU NEVER WORK DAY IN LIFE. IF YOU'VE GOT A, IF YOU GOT A GOOD, GOOD PEER ORGANIZATION AND YOU HAVE GOOD MANAGEMENT DIRECTLY AROUND YOU, THEN YOU, YOU WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL EMPLOYEES FILLED OUT.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I ALSO WANT TO ECHO. GREAT JOB TO EVERYBODY WHO WHO PUT THIS TOGETHER.

LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT YOU GOT DOWN AND DIRTY AS BEST AS YOU COULD.

SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH CITY COUNCIL AND, AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO, TO MOVE A BUDGET FORWARD THAT IS GOING TO, TO WORK FOR EVERYBODY. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY A MILLION TIMES AND YOU'LL PROBABLY HEAR ME SAY IT A MILLION MORE TIMES THAT YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO TO HELP EASE THE BURDEN, NOT BE THE BURDEN.

AND SO BUT WE WE ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE. SORRY. LET ME BACK UP.

I ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR MY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THEY CAN SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. BUT I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ALTHOUGH WE'D LIKE TO GIVE EVERYBODY EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANT AND NEED, AND THAT IS IS POSSIBLE. WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO GO TO, TO TO THE CITY AND SAY, OKAY, IF YOU WANT EVERYTHING YOU WANT NEED, YOUR TAXES ARE GOING TO GO UP LIKE IT OR NOT.

AND WE WANT TO TRY TO AVOID THAT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS KNOW WHAT THEY WANT AND WHAT THEY NEED.

[01:35:06]

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU.

I GUESS EVERYONE ELSE IS GONE. SO YEAH. REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO THIS.

I MEAN, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT WE ARE JUST IMPROVING YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH AND ALL THE STAFF FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN.

REALLY MAKES MY JOB EASIER WHEN I HAVE TO COME DOWN TO MY VOTES AND DECIDE WHAT I'M GOING TO SUPPORT AND WHAT I CAN'T, IT'S DATA AND HAVING THAT EXTRA DATA THERE I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE.

PROBABLY MY FAVORITE PART OF THIS PRESENTATION IS HELPING US UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS BEEN CUT.

BECAUSE FOR ME, I MEAN, I DON'T VIEW THAT AS EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN READ ON.

THERE WAS A WANT AND EVERYTHING IN THE WHITE WAS A NEED.

I COULD TELL AND I COULD SEE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF RED IN THERE THAT WERE THAT ARE NEEDS.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY TO WORK WITH, NEEDS GET CUT IN ADDITION TO WANTS.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE REALLY THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY LOOK AND SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THOSE NEEDS THAT WE EITHER HAVE TO TRADE OFF WITH A DIFFERENT NEED OR REALLY KIND OF CONSIDER DOING SOMETHING ABOUT NO NEW REVENUE TO GET ALL THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE.

I MEAN, I AGREE, IF THERE ARE WANTS THAT WE CAN PUT OFF TO ANOTHER YEAR.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. IT WORRIES ME THAT THERE'S NO COLA INCREASES IN THERE.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A BIGGER BIG WORRY FOR ME.

I DO LIKE HAVING MERIT INCREASES AS WELL. I DON'T THINK THAT YOU CAN TRADE ONE OFF FOR THE OTHER. YOU KNOW, OUR SOCIETY FOR A WHOLE IS BUILT ON A MERITOCRACY.

AND SO IF THERE'S A PERCEPTION THAT MERIT INCREASES ARE JUST BECAUSE MANAGERS ARE REWARDING THEIR FRIENDS.

I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT PERCEPTION. THAT'S NEVER BEEN MY EXPERIENCE IN MY EMPLOYER.

THOSE THAT WORK THE HARDEST ARE THE ONES THAT ARE REWARDED BECAUSE THEN THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE.

KEEP WORKING FOR YOUR COMPANY AND YOU DON'T WANT THEM LEAVING.

I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE IS AWARE OF PRICE'S LAW THAT BASICALLY STATES THAT HALF OF THE WORK IN ANY ORGANIZATION IS DONE BY THE SQUARE ROOT OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

SO IF YOU GOT 100 PEOPLE WORKING FOR YOU, TEN OF THEM ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK. YOU WANT TO REWARD THEM.

YOU DON'T WANT THEM LEAVING AND GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND SO I THINK MERITOCRACY TO ME IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

BUT WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S IT IS A TRUE MERITOCRACY.

SO WHAT ARE THE OTHER ITEMS THAT I HAD? SO. I APPRECIATE THE COMPARISON WITH OTHER CITIES. I DO APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I DO ALSO RECOGNIZE AND AGREE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE A TRUE COMPARISON.

LIKE IF ANOTHER CITY DOES HAVE FIRE DEPARTMENT UNDER THEM AND WE DON'T, WE NEED TO CALCULATE THAT IN SO YOU CAN HAVE A TRUE APPLES TO APPLES.

SO I APPRECIATE THE COMPARISON. BUT YOU KNOW WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO MAKE THOSE AND I THINK YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THAT YOU WERE GOING TO DO THAT AND IMPROVE THAT SLIDE SO THAT WE REALLY COULD SEE A TRUE COMPARISON. SO I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT.

LET'S SEE. SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM STAFF NOT TODAY, BUT JUST AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW HOW GOOD FEASIBILITY STUDIES ARE DONE OR HOW HOW HOW WHAT SHELF LIFE THEY HAVE. IF YOU DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY, IS IT TRULY WORTHLESS AFTER A YEAR, OR DOES IT KIND OF DEGRADE OVER TIME? IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY ACCURATE AFTER A YEAR, NOT SO ACCURATE AFTER TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS. BECAUSE I AGREE. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY, JUST HAVE IT SIT ON THE SHELF, THEN WE GOT TO DO IT AGAIN. THAT'S TOTALLY WASTED MONEY.

SO WE MIGHT AS WELL NOT SPEND THAT MONEY NOW.

SO I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF HOW THAT WORKS AND KIND OF THE PROCESS AROUND THAT.

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE WHOLE CONCEPT. I THINK MAYOR SAID IT.

I THINK SEVERAL PEOPLE SAID IT THAT IF, IF AND YOU SAID THAT YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT TO PAYING FOR ONGOING THINGS WITH ONE TIME MONEY IF WE CAN MOVE THAT BACK INTO THE, INTO THE REGULAR BUDGET AND USE THOSE ONE TIME MONIES FOR ONE TIME EXPENSES THAT WE NEED TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF THAT.

LOOKING AT THE YMCA TO SEE WHAT OVERLAP THERE IS, I STILL SERVE ON THE YMCA BOARD, AND SO I'M WELL AWARE OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

AND I'VE WE'VE TALKED AS A BOARD AND THEY ARE REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF ALL OF THE WORK THAT THE CITY IS DOING, BECAUSE THEY HAVE FAR TOO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE APPLYING WHO THEY HAVE TO TURN AWAY.

AND SO THEY JUST DO NOT HAVE THE THE ABILITY, THE MANPOWER, THE YOU KNOW, THE RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE ENTIRE NEEDS OF THE CITY. AND SO THEY RELY ON THE CITY TO KIND OF GET THAT OVERLAP BECAUSE THEY, THEY, THEY'RE TURNING PEOPLE AWAY A LOT FOR THESE SUMMER CAMPS.

[01:40:07]

SO I'D LIKE TO GET MORE DATA ON WHAT THE WEATHER STATIONS REALLY DO.

IF THERE'S A FLOODING EVENT AT ADAM MORGAN PARK, AND WE KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE JUST LIKE WHAT GEORGETOWN EXPERIENCED.

CAN THOSE WEATHER STATIONS BE UTILIZED IN SOME WAY TO WARN PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE, OR WARN PEOPLE WHOSE HOMES ARE NEAR THAT? BECAUSE I KNOW ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 1660, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF HOMES RIGHT ON THE CREEK THERE.

SO YOU KNOW HOW THOSE WEATHER STATIONS COULD BE UTILIZED THAT WAY? BECAUSE I'D BE MORE LIKELY TO SUPPORT THOSE IF IF THEY'RE NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, NICE INFO TO HAVE VERSUS WE CAN ACTUALLY UTILIZE THEM FOR SAFETY.

BUT AGAIN, REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO THIS. LOOKING FORWARD TO A GREAT SET OF BUDGET DISCUSSIONS COMING UP.

THANK YOU. HAVE WE GOT AN HOUR AND 20 TO BURN? WE WANT TO LEAVE EARLIER. DO YOU WANT MORE INPUT OR MORE DISCUSSION ON ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR? I DON'T FEEL LIKE I NEED ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY BASED OFF OF THE COMMENTS.

I MEAN, I THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT OF Y'ALL DOING THE COMMENTS NOW IF Y'ALL WANT TO SPEND THE TIME TO WORK OUT SOMETHING YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO.

OTHERWISE, I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE WHAT WE NEED.

I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE OTHER STAFF, THOUGH, AND GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY. ALBERTA AND MATT PARTICULARLY TO RESPOND IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED MORE DISCUSSION ON ANYTHING. AND THERE WAS ONE QUESTION, I GUESS, THAT I DIDN'T I DID FORGET I WAS GOING TO ASK.

SO WITH THE MONEY AND A LOT OF A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE $300 MILLION WE GOT IN THE BANK AND WE'VE BORROWED A LOT OF MONEY FOR PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO GET DONE, AND WE CAN'T GET THEM DONE IN A CALENDAR YEAR. I'D REALLY LIKE KIND OF MORE OF A DEEP DIVE FROM THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT TO REALLY UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE NEED TO BORROW FOR A SPECIFIC PROJECT? BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THAT, YEAH, YOU NEED TO BORROW THE FULL AMOUNT BECAUSE THEN THE CONTRACTORS AND THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE CONTRACTING WITH, THEY NEED TO HAVE THAT ASSURANCE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE BUDGETED, IT'S GOING TO BE PAID FOR.

LIKE WE ONLY BUDGET FOR HALF OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE HALF DONE THAT YEAR.

AND THEN THEY START ON THAT PROJECT. THEY NEED ASSURANCE THAT IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, IT WILL BE FUNDED BECAUSE THEN IF YOU ONLY FUND HALF OF IT AND YOU DON'T FUND THE SECOND HALF OR THE OTHER HALF, THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR ISSUE BECAUSE YOU GOT TO YOU GOT A STREET THAT'S HALF DONE.

AND I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT MORE. I'M I'M SURE THAT IT IT HELPS THE CONTRACTORS FEEL BETTER.

BUT REALLY IT'S A, IT'S A LAW THING. SO WE CAN'T CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATE MONEY THAT WE CAN'T SAY THAT WE HAVE THE MONEY FOR.

SO THE WHERE THAT BECAME A BIGGEST ISSUE IS WITH THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A BIG NUMBER. OKAY.

SMALLER PROJECTS, LET'S SAY WE'RE ONLY GOING TO BORROW 2 MILLION OF A $5 MILLION PROJECT.

WELL, WE HAVE $3 MILLION IN OTHER PLACES TO WHERE WE CAN USE THAT TO SAY, HEY, THAT'S IT'S LOCKED UP SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THE, THE DEBT. I MEAN, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THE CONTRACT, BUT IT'S THAT BIG ONES AND IT IS THE BIG DOLLAR ONES THAT REALLY BECOME PROBLEMATIC, WHICH IS WHY WE HAD TO ISSUE THE DEBT FASTER THAN THERE'S ACTUALLY A LAW THAT SAYS WHEN WHEN YOU'RE CONTRACTING FOR A PROJECT TO BE DONE, EVEN IF IT CAN'T BE PAID FOR IN A FISCAL YEAR.

YOU HAVE TO AT LEAST I'LL LET ALBERTA ANSWER THE QUESTION BECAUSE SHE KNOWS ALL THE THE NUANCES, BUT EFFECTIVELY IT'S THE IT'S THE CONTRACT LAW.

SO IT'S IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO AND I DON'T HAVE IT LIKE MEMORIZED OR ANYTHING.

I'M GOING OFF OF YOU KNOW WHAT I'VE READ AND AND AND PRACTICE FOR SURE.

BUT YOU BECAUSE WE CAN'T WE CAN'T ISSUE CONTRACTS FOR MONEY THAT WE DON'T HAVE BUDGETED.

AND WHEN IT COMES TO, LIKE A CAPITAL PROJECT LIKE THAT, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT BUDGETED.

JUST SAYING THAT WE'LL HAVE IT. YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE THE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO FULFILL THE CONTRACT.

AND WE CAN GENERALLY DO THAT WITH OTHER POOLS OF MONEY ON SMALLER, ON SMALLER CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, BUT BIG CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. WE JUST DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, WELL, INARGUABLY, YOU WOULDN'T WANT US TO HAVE $200 MILLION IN SAVINGS THAT WE COULD USE TO UNDERWRITE A CONTRACT. SO GO AHEAD ALBERTA.

SO YES, THAT'S EXACTLY TRUE. YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WHEN THERE'S A CONTRACT WE CAN'T COMMIT FUTURE COUNCILS FOR MONIES THAT FOR IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN ONLY COMMIT FOR WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, WHAT WE KNOW IS IN OUR BUDGET.

MOVING TO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. MATT AND I REALLY JUST TRIED TO DO KIND OF A SUMMARY, WHICH I KNOW IS PROBABLY WE JUST NEED TO GIVE YOU MORE DETAIL AS TO WHICH PROJECTS, HOW MUCH WE HAVE, WHAT WE SPENT AND WHAT WHAT WE HAVE MONEY FOR.

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LIKE JAMES SAID, SMALL PROJECTS. SO WE WE WILL COME BACK WITH SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THAT.

SO MAYBE THAT'LL CLARIFY SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT GOT BROUGHT UP ON CIP, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO BORROW FOR ALL OF THOSE.

WE HAVE MONEY. THE ONES THAT WE BROUGHT TO YOU ARE THE ONES THAT LIKE JAMES SAID, WE'VE STARTED.

WE CAN'T WE CAN'T STOP MIDWAY AND SAY, HEY, MATT, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE MONEY FOR YOU.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE MONEY SO HE CAN CONTINUE TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT.

SO WE'LL DO A BETTER JOB OF, YOU KNOW, DELINEATING THOSE PROJECTS AND AND THE FUNDING AMOUNTS.

THE ONE QUESTION I HAVE I KNOW I HEARD JUSTICE CENTER BROUGHT FORWARD.

LET'S NUMBER ONE, LET'S MOVE WITH IT. SO IN SPECIAL SESSION, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT HAVING A MAY ELECTION.

SO WHAT I GUESS I WANT TO HEAR FROM FROM Y'ALL IS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO SEE IN THIS NOVEMBER'S ELECTION IN CASE THEY, THEY DISCONTINUE THE MAY? OR IF THEY DO APPROVE THAT AND YOU DON'T HAVE A MAY ELECTION, THEN THAT MEANS IT'S NEXT NOVEMBER.

SO JUST REALLY WANT TO SEE HOW FAST YOU WANT TO MAKE THIS MOVE BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WHAT WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED WAS TO NOT GO TO THE VOTERS TO ISSUE A CEO, OKAY, FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE WERE PROPOSING TO ISSUE DEBT FOR ROADS, AND THEN TO SET THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY ASIDE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FACILITY.

OKAY, I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT. I'M SORRY. YEAH. BECAUSE MY ARGUMENT HAS BEEN I THINK WE'RE ONE OF THE HIGHEST TAXED MUNICIPAL AREAS IN THE ENTIRE METRO AREA FROM A TAX BILL STANDPOINT. AND SO I'VE TOLD PEOPLE, WELL, I WON'T VOTE TO INCREASE YOUR TAX BILL.

I DON'T SEE HOW WITH ALL OF OUR NEEDS, WE HAVE AN $1 BILLION IN PROJECTS.

WE CAN NEVER GO UNDER IT. SO I'VE SAID TO YOU BEFORE, IF YOU CAN SAVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND WE CAN BORROW 10 MILLION, I HAVE NO PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, SELLING 10 MILLION OF BONDS.

BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GO ABOVE NO NEW REVENUE TO DO THAT.

SO WE CAN SPEND IT ALL IN LABOR AND ADD A BUNCH OF POSITIONS, AND I HAVE NO MONEY LEFT OVER.

OR WE CAN SAY, WELL, FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, WE GOT TO DIAL IT BACK AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FOCUS ON INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND SO I'M OKAY. I DON'T WANT TO RUSH FOR A NOVEMBER THING, BECAUSE EVERY TIME YOU RUSH IN MY HISTORY, IT'S BEEN A BAD DECISION AND WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE BUILDING.

WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BUILD IT AT. WE DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO BUILD IT. SO UNTIL WE REALLY HAVE THAT TO GO TO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN NOVEMBER AND SAY THAT IT'S CONTRARY TO HOW I KIND OF PUSH ON THINGS, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME ON THE CFP. THE DEBATE WE ALWAYS GET IS, YEAH, I GET THE I GET THE CONTRACTS.

ONCE YOU START A CONTRACT, I GET THAT THE MONEY YOU GOT TO HAVE 10 MILLION.

THE PROBLEM I SEE IS THAT ALL THE PROJECTS I LISTED OUT, NONE OF THESE HAVE BEGUN TO CONTRACT.

AND SO THEY'VE BEEN IN DESIGN OR THEY'RE BUDGETED TO BE IN CONTRACT, BUT WE HAVEN'T APPROVED CONTRACTS ON ANY OF THESE PROJECTS.

SO WHAT MAY BE MORE BENEFICIAL FOR ME, AND MAYBE A DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING AT IT IS, IS HAVE THE TWO ROAD PROJECTS WHERE THE MONEY HAS TO GO TO THOSE, THE 1660 AND LIMMER AND THE 1660 6079, BECAUSE THAT'S MONEY THAT BY LAW HAS TO GO THERE AND THEN SHOW THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE ALREADY IN CONSTRUCTION ON THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE MONEY FOR.

I'M TRYING TO THINK I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OF THOSE, BUT ASSUMING THERE'S ONE I'M MISSING THAT'S IN CONSTRUCTION.

WE HAVE THAT AND THEN HAVE ALL THE OTHER MONEY SITTING.

AND HOW MUCH IS THAT? IF IT'S $100 MILLION, THEN HAVE ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED FROM THE THE SOONEST ONE CAN BE SHOVEL READY AND DESIGNED ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE END. BECAUSE I WOULD ARGUE THIS PAST YEAR WE BUDGETED $16 MILLION TO WIDEN LOOP FROM WHAT WAS IT FROM INNOVATION ALL THE WAY TO 1660? THAT'S IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW TO GO. AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S BREAKING THE LAW, MOVING THAT MONEY AROUND, BECAUSE WE JUST KICKED OFF DESIGN ON IT. SO WE'VE GOT NINE MONTHS OF DESIGN, WHICH REALLY PUTS CONSTRUCTION WON'T EVEN HAPPEN IN THIS YEAR.

IT'S MORE LIKELY GOING TO HAPPEN 2627. SO TO ME, THAT'S THE THING I'VE BEEN ARGUING ABOUT FOR THE PAST YEAR.

AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT GOOD AT ARTICULATING THINGS, AS MANY KNOW, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT.

HOW DO WE STOP LOCKING MONEY UP ON PROJECTS WE'RE NOT DOING FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS? WHEN SOMEONE INTERRUPT ME, IF THAT MONEY THAT WE BUDGETED, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE WHOLE PROJECT BUDGET JUST TO GO IN DESIGN.

NOT. NOT DESIGN. NO. IT IS WHENEVER YOU GO TO CONSTRUCTION THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE MONEY.

RIGHT. AND I GET IT WHEN YOU BID IT OUT AND SAY, HEY, SIR, WE WANT YOU TO GO BUILD A $15 MILLION PROJECT.

YOU GOT TO HAVE THE MONEY IN THE BANK. BUT ALL THESE OTHER PROJECTS, WE HAVE LIKE 20 OF THEM THAT ARE FULLY FUNDED, DAMN NEAR THAT ARE SITTING THERE. AND I'M LIKE, I KEEP ARGUING.

THAT'S WHY I KEEP YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS SAYING 189 MILLION, I GET THE WASTEWATER.

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THAT'S REALLY IT'S NOT RESTRICTED. IT'S RESTRICTED TO ROADS. SO WE GET IN THIS ARGUMENT.

IT'S RESTRICTED. YOU CAN'T TOUCH IT. YOU KNOW THE MAYOR, HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL HE'S TALKING ABOUT. AND HE'S LYING.

LION. IT'S LIKE, NO, IT'S I GET IT'S FOR RHODES, BUT IT'S NOT RESTRICTED TO LIMBER.

AND IF YOU FIND A ROAD, IF MATT SAYS BOOM 1660 AND 137, WE COULD BREAK GROUND TOMORROW.

TO ME, YOU MOVED THE MONEY FROM THE LEMUR FUND OVER.

IT'S NOT SAYING YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT LEMUR, BUT WHY WOULD WE GO OUT AND SPEND 20, BORROW $20 MILLION ON A ROAD THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE READY.

THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO IN A REGULAR DAY. MOVE THAT MONEY DOWN THERE. LET'S GET STUFF GOING.

AND AND THEN I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A PERIOD WHERE IT'S LIKE WE ACTUALLY NEED ROAD MONEY TODAY.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANY MONEY FOR ROADS BECAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE PERSONNEL AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE WILLPOWER TO TEAR THE ENTIRE CITY UP WITH WHAT'S FUNDED. AND AND THAT'S ASSUMING IT'S ALL SHOVEL READY.

SO THAT MIGHT BE A QUICK WAY FOR SOME OF US TO LOOK AND JUST SEE WHAT KIND OF POT OF MONEY THAT'S TRULY UNRESTRICTED IN A ROAD CATEGORY.

YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T USE LEMUR LOOP MONEY IF YOU DID A ROAD BOMB, BUT I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW WE DID OUR SEOS CEOS BEFORE.

THEY WERE PRETTY LOOSE. THE OBVIOUSLY THE 2018 ROAD BOND IS STRICTLY FOR ROADS, BUT WE'VE WE'VE SPENT 70 MILLION.

BUT HOW MUCH OF THAT IS UNRESTRICTED TRULY IN EACH CATEGORY.

AND THEN DO WE HAVE MONEY THAT'S JUST WIDE OPEN.

AND I WOULD SAY THAT IF WE DID A CO FOR WHATEVER IT WAS THIS YEAR, IF THE COUNCIL AGREED TO IT, IT IT WOULD BE FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF JUSTICE POLICE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE WIDE ENOUGH TO WHERE WE COULD PIVOT WHEN WE GET THE DESIGN.

BUT AND THEN WE COULD ALSO BORROW THAT POTENTIALLY ASSUMING NO LAW CHANGES TOWARDS THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR TO SAVE US A PAYMENT TO WHERE YOU ALMOST HAVE THE MONEY TO WHERE YOU CAN COLLECT THE TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, WE COULD COLLECT THE INS RIGHT MONEY FOR THE FULL YEAR AND POTENTIALLY BORROWED AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR TO WHERE WE MAYBE ONLY MAKE ONE PAYMENT OR MAYBE NOT MAKE ANY, BUT WE GET PENALIZED FOR THAT IN OUR NEXT YEAR'S TAX CALCULATION.

IF WE COLLECT MORE MONEY FOR DEBT SERVICE THAN WE ACTUALLY PAY OUT.

BUT DON'T DO THAT. YEAH. THAT THAT WE GET PENALIZED THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

I KNOW WE HAVE A WAY OF CHARGING PEOPLE FOR SOME AND BORROWING A DIFFERENT.

YEAH, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WHATEVER THAT WORKS. YEAH. WE HAVE TO SET THE INS RATE TO MATCH WHAT WE ACTUALLY INTEND TO PAY.

WE CAN'T OVER SET THAT. BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS SET ASIDE MONEY IN THE KNOW INTO FUND BALANCE.

RIGHT. WHICH IS THAT'S ALLOWED SO LONG AS WE DON'T EXCEED THE 3.5% OR NO NEW REVENUE, WHICHEVER ONE YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE TO EVENTUALLY GET TO WHERE THE SALARIES ARE RUNNING, THAT IN AND OUT AND THE SALES TAX ARE USED FOR OTHER THINGS, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CITIES THAT DO SALES TAX BONDS, AND WE HAVEN'T GOT TO THAT POINT YET.

BUT LOOKING AT THIS, OUR SALES TAX REVENUE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL IS ALMOST TWO AND A HALF TIMES WHAT IT WAS WHEN I JOINED.

AND SO THE REVENUES ARE COMING IN FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE BETWEEN FEES AND SALES TAXES, ADDITIONAL GROWTH AND PROPERTY TAXES.

SO TO ME, IT HERE'S WHAT I SAW TODAY. NO NEW REVENUE CAN WORK BECAUSE YOU CAN BORROW $29.5 MILLION AND STILL DO NO NEW REVENUE AND STILL ADD POSITIONS, EXPAND SOME THINGS AND ENHANCE. IT'S NOT LIKE I THINK SOMEONE SAID IT'S NOT WHAT EVERYBODY WANTED, BUT I GO THROUGH EVERY DAY IN LIFE. THERE'S I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO EAT $100 STEAK EVERY TIME WE GO OUT AND EAT, BUT SOMETIMES I HAVE TO EAT THE 14 OUNCE RIBEYE AT AT TEXAS ROADHOUSE BECAUSE, WELL, IF I GET A $50 STEAK, MY WIFE GETS ON, MY KIDS GET ONE. I JUST SPENT 300 BUCKS AND I DON'T HAVE THAT.

SO THAT'S JUST LIFE THAT WE LIVE. BUT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT IT MIGHT JUST BE ME THAT HELPS OUT, BUT IT'S ALBERTA. THE THE THE FULL CONSTRUCTION AMOUNT FOR THE LIMMER LOOP PROJECT FROM INNOVATION TO 1660.

WE BORROWED THAT ENTIRE AMOUNT FOR STUDY AND CONSTRUCTION AND EVERYTHING THAT'S ALREADY BORROWED IN THE BANK.

SOME STRATEGICALLY PLACED ACROSS FROM MATT. SO I NEED MATT TO HELP ME WITH THAT.

AS FAR AS WHICH PROJECT THAT IS AND SO I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

TWO PROJECTS. SO SORRY, 47 AND T 48. T 47 AND T 48 ARE THE TWO LINEAR LOOP PROJECTS.

AND I TOOK THAT NUMBER FROM THE OPEN GOV. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S COMPLETELY ALL UP TO DATE, BUT THAT'S WHERE I GOT THAT NUMBER. YEAH. MAYOR. AND I WAS ACTUALLY TEASING WITH ALBERTA WHILE YOU WERE SAYING THAT ALL OF THE NUMBERS ARE UNCLEAR.

GOV. BASED ON WHAT I'M SEEING, THEY JUST SAY BUDGETED.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT NECESSARILY MEANS THAT WE HAVE THE FUNDS IN HAND.

I THINK THAT'S JUST THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M BUDGETING FOR THE PROJECT WE BUDGETED, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE ACTUALLY BORROWED THE MONEY AND IT'S SITTING IN THE BANK. BUT I'D LIKE CLARIFICATION ON THAT. SO WHAT WE HAVE SO FAR ON THOSE TWO PROJECTS IS WE HAVE FUNDED THE DESIGN ENGINEERING PORTION OF THOSE TWO PROJECTS.

WE HAVE NOT BORROWED. AND AT THIS POINT, ANYTHING FOR CONSTRUCTION.

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SO HOW MUCH OF OUR BUDGETED ROAD THINGS ARE NOT FUNDED, LIKE HOW MUCH WERE WE WANTING TO BORROW.

WE DIDN'T BORROW LAST YEAR. NO. FOR THE CURRENT BUDGET YEAR, FOR 25 YOU'RE TALKING.

WE WERE TALKING LAST YEAR AT 25 MILLION THAT WE DIDN'T BORROW.

SO I CAN TAKE 25 MILLION OFF OF THESE NUMBERS.

LIKE LIKE WHEN IT SAYS WHEN T 21 SAYS 2.75 MILLION IS BUDGETED.

ARE YOU JUST WANTING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S BUDGETED AND WHAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE ALREADY BORROWED? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? NO, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHEN I SEE WHEN I, WHEN I SEE A BUDGET. $2 MILLION IS BUDGET FOR SOMETHING IN MY MIND.

IF ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GOT THE ABILITY TO DO THAT, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. NOW I GET IT. THERE'S SOME BORROWING OVER HERE. HOW MUCH IS BORROWING OVER HERE? DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND HOW MUCH OF THE ALL THESE ROAD PROJECTS LIKE LIVE OAK? IT SAYS IT'S BUDGETED. SO IS THAT MONEY THAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY WE CAN USE FOR IT.

AND HOW DO I HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT WHICH PROJECTS THAT SAY BUDGETED ACTUALLY HAVE MONEY FOR, IN WHICH PROJECTS WE DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR IN THE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED THAT MATT DID FOR YOU IN DETAIL.

AND IT HAD THE COLUMN THAT HAD DEBT. THOSE ARE THE PROJECTS WHERE YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BORROW MONEY TO DO THOSE PROJECTS IF IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY NOTATION TO IT. AS FAR AS DEBT, THAT MEANS WE ALREADY HAVE THE MONEY.

WE'RE EITHER IN PROGRESS WITH THE ENGINEERING DESIGN.

AND WE'RE USING OUR CURRENT EXISTING FUNDS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE IN HOUSE ON HAND.

WE'RE NOT BORROWING FOR IT. YEAH. MAYOR, SHE'S REFERRING TO THE SPREADSHEET THAT I PRESENTED BACK IN JUNE, JUNE AT THE SIP WORKSHOP THAT HAD IT HAD LIKE IT HAD ALL THE PROJECTS AND THEN IT HAD DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND THEN IT EITHER HAD DEBT OR, OR BLANK RIGHT NEXT TO IT. OKAY. BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A IN THERE'S NO SIMPLE ANSWER THAT I CAN GIVE YOU.

ALBERTA AND I HAVE PROBABLY WEEKLY MEETINGS TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE SHIFT MONEY AROUND FROM PROJECT TO PROJECT, BASED ON THE STATUS OF THIS ONE AND THE FUNDING OF THAT ONE.

AND, AND, AND SO WE WE ARE TRYING TO DO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET US TO DO, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, SHE AND I HAVE LOOKED AT THE I DON'T EVEN KNOW, ALL THE ISSUANCES.

THE 2022, 2023, 2024, FIGURING OUT HOW WE USE ALL THAT MONEY SO THAT WE MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE TO BORROW.

AND SO WE I'VE ALREADY ASKED HER IF WE CAN SET A TIME THIS WEEK TO SIT DOWN AND PUT KIND OF A.

I'LL SAY SIMPLIFIED VERSION OF THAT TOO. TOGETHER FOR.

SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE HOW WE'VE DONE IT ALL. HOW WE'VE PIECEMEAL TO PAY FOR ALL THESE PROJECTS.

BUT THE THE CLEAR GOV TOOL THAT WE USE TO REPORT OUR PROJECTS BASED ON WHAT I SEE DOESN'T GIVE YOU A BREAKDOWN, IT JUST BUDGETED. AND SO THAT THAT MIGHT JUST BE THIS IS HOW MUCH THE TOTAL PROJECT IS GOING TO COST.

THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WE'VE GOT MONEY IN THE BANK FOR THAT, THAT JUST WE'RE DOING SOMETHING WITH THAT PROJECT AND HERE'S WHAT WE THINK IS GOING TO COST US. SO FOR EXAMPLE T 47 AND T 48, WE HAVE WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINED NUMBER ON WHAT WE THINK WE HAVE.

MY ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE THAT I CAME UP WITH AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO COST.

WE KNOW HOW MUCH THE DESIGN CONTRACTS ARE. BUT UNTIL WE GET THE FINAL ENGINEERED PLANS AND WE HAVE THE ENGINEER'S OPC AND OR BID NUMBERS, WE WON'T KNOW THE FINAL NUMBER. AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO WITH ALBERTA, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HER.

WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET TO A THING WHERE AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MY, MY CIP TEAM TO WHERE WE ARE PUSHING OUR CONSULTANTS TO DESIGN EVERYTHING IN A YEAR.

AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU. AND SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE ONLY BORROWING FOR DESIGN, AND THEN WE COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, HERE'S THE REAL NUMBER.

WE'RE READY TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION. DO YOU WANT TO BORROW MONEY FOR THAT OR DO YOU WANT TO DELAY CONSTRUCTION? KIND OF LIKE WE'RE DOING 199 WHERE WE DID THE DESIGN, AND THEN YOU GUYS WERE LIKE, WE DON'T WANT TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION YET. SO WE TOLD THE CONSULTANT, YOU'RE STOPPING WHEN YOU'RE DONE, AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT ON THE SHELF, AND WE'RE GOING TO WAIT TILL THE COUNCIL IS READY TO PULL THAT TRIGGER, WHICH I THINK THAT'S I KNOW WE'VE BEEN BEHIND IN THE DESIGN, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE SMARTEST WAY TO DO IT BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU WIND UP WITH I MEAN, WE'VE GOT PROBABLY $100 MILLION ROUGHLY. THAT'S FOR ROAD PROJECTS WAITING FOR THEM TO GET DONE.

SO WHAT I'VE SEEN, I THINK IT WAS CLEAN DO, IS THEY HAD A ROAD PROJECT AND THEY HAD HOW MUCH IS FUNDED BY THIS? HOW MUCH IS FUNDED BY THAT? LIKE THEY BASICALLY GAVE EVERY FUNDING SOURCE. AND I KNOW PART OF THE PROBLEM IS EVERY YEAR WE CHANGE EVERYTHING AROUND. AND PART OF THAT I THINK HAS BEEN THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN LOOKING AT ONE YEAR SNAPSHOTS AND THEN INFORMATION CHANGES.

AND SO I'VE ASKED JAMES TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON YOUR SHEET AND ALL THE INFORMATION SOURCES WE HAVE SO THAT WE CAN THEN REALLY PRIORITIZE THE PROJECTS,

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I DON'T THINK THERE'S JUST MUCH INTEREST FOR 163 TO BE DONE ANYMORE.

AND SO NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT CHANGES. AND SO YOU START MOVING ALL THIS AROUND.

SO I KNOW EVENTUALLY WE GOT TO GET WE GOT TO GET A PLAN THAT HAS VERY MINIMAL CHANGES.

AND THEN ONCE WE DO THAT WE WERE EVEN TALKING IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE.

IF I'M WRONG, JIM, ABOUT LIKE LIMBER LOOP. WE DIDN'T SEE THE THE REASONING FOR WIDENING IT WEST OF, SAY, ADJUSTMENT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE'RE LIKE, IF YOU WIDEN THAT, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO FUNNEL MORE CARS WHERE INTO THE PLACE THAT'S ALREADY BACKED UP. AND SO THEN WE'RE LIKE, AND WHAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE? IT MAY BE THE PEOPLE GOING NORTHBOUND ON ED SCHMIDT TO HIT THAT.

AND SO DO YOU. FIX THAT SECTION FIRST AND THEN DO YOU WORRY ABOUT THE WIDENING OF THE ROAD? AND THEN MAYBE WHEN YOU DO GET THAT POINT, YOU DO AN ADJUSTMENT FROM ARE YOU DOING FROM, FROM MEASUREMENT TO 1660? BECAUSE AGAIN, ONCE YOU FIX THE NORTHBOUND ADJUSTMENT, YOU JUST MOVE IN MORE PEOPLE INTO AN AREA THAT ALREADY IT CAN'T HANDLE IT.

SO PART OF THE BACKUP IS WE TALKED LIKE BASIC WATER FLOW.

YOU DON'T FIX REALLY FAR BACK AND PUMP MORE WATER INTO A CLOGGED SYSTEM.

YOU FIX THE CLOG, THEN YOU WORK YOUR WAY BACK OUT.

AND WE TEND TO THE COUNCIL MAY BE MORE EMOTIONAL AND NOT AS DATA DRIVEN, AND WE'RE GOING MORE EMOTIONALLY.

WE WANT TO SEE SOMETHING FIXED. AND SO WE'RE JUST OUT, YOU KNOW, GO DO THIS AND GO DO THAT.

AND MAYBE THE ORDER IS NOT IN THE RIGHT ORDER.

SO YEAH, TO THAT POINT, MAYOR, THAT'S WHY WHEN I PRESENTED TO PNC MONTHS BACK AND COUNCILMEMBER MORRIS CAN ATTEST TO THIS, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE LINEAR LOOP PROJECTS, AND WE HAD AGREED WITH PNC THAT IT MADE SENSE TO START INNOVATION AND WORK OUR WAY EAST, BECAUSE INNOVATION IS KIND OF THE END OF THE CITY, AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THAT CONGESTION IS BUILT UP.

AND THEN YOU GO BEYOND THAT. THAT'S NOT EVEN OUR ROADWAY YET. SO THERE'S NO POINT IN US GOING OUT THERE.

AND SO START THERE, TRY TO RELIEVE THAT AND THEN KEEP WORKING OUR WAY EAST ACROSS THE CITY TO KEEP THAT FLOW GOING THROUGH.

THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE HOW WE YEAH, WE'RE KIND OF SUBDIVIDED NOW TO WHERE, LIKE I SAID, NOT EVEN SAYING INNOVATION TO THERE SINCE THERE'S TWO PROJECTS DOING LIKE SAY T 48 FIRST AND THEN COME BACK AND BECAUSE T 48 WILL TAKE A YEAR, LET'S SAY, AND THEN YOU GET DONE WITH T 48 AND THEN YOU GET ALL THAT DONE.

HOW IS THAT MAKING EVERYTHING FLOW? WELL IT MAY MAKE IT FLOW WELL ENOUGH TO WHERE IT'S LIKE, WELL LET'S SHELVE T 47 NOW. NOW LET'S GO DO THIS OTHER PROJECT.

SO YEAH. SO JAMES HAS A REQUEST FOR SOME TO MAKE SURE.

I THINK ALSO HE'S GOT A, HAD A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT INFORMATION OF WHAT WE HAVE GOTTEN, JUST AS THINGS HAVE CHANGED TO GET US ON THE SAME PAGE AND THEN TO WHENEVER IT COMES TO COUNCIL TO TO, WE'RE ALL WE CAN ALL HAVE AGREEMENT ON THINGS.

AND COUNCILMEMBER KING WAS ASKING FOR CERTAIN WAYS THINGS WERE WORDED ALL IN THE WAY WHERE WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WE'RE ALL THINKING DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THE SAME THING, BUT WE ALL READ INTO IT WHAT WE WANT TO READ INTO IT.

AND SO HOW DO YOU PUT THE INFORMATION IN A MANNER TO WHERE, I MEAN, WE NEED MORE BLACK AND WHITE ON THINGS.

BUT YOU'RE SPEAKING MY LOVE LANGUAGE NOW. I LOVE BLACK AND WHITE.

UNFORTUNATELY, I INTERPRET THINGS IN A BLACK AND WHITE WORLD.

SO, YEAH, LIKE WE TALKED BEFORE, FIND A WAY TO SIMPLIFY YOUR JOB TO WHERE YOU'RE NOT BOGGED DOWN JACKING AROUND WITH, LIKE, A TREE OR THE SMALL STUFF, BECAUSE WE GET SO BOGGED DOWN WITH THE LITTLE THINGS TO WHERE IT'S LIKE THE BIG THINGS LIKE OVERPASSES AND BRIDGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. ROADWAYS, YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO ALL THAT, AND THEN HE'S NOT GIVING YOU MORE HELP.

SO THEN I THINK IN ORDER AND WE MAY NOT WANT TO HELP HIM GIVE YOU MORE HELP.

AND SO TO DO ALL THAT, WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT.

WE GET SOME MANAGER AND INSPECTOR. THAT'S TRUE, THAT'S TRUE.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO I HAD A PROCESS QUESTION JUST SO THAT I UNDERSTAND KIND OF HOW HOW IT WORKS.

AND BASED ON SOME OF THE THINGS I HEARD TODAY AND WHAT I'VE UNDERSTOOD PREVIOUSLY.

SO LET'S SAY IN FY 26, WE NEED TO SET A BUDGET, AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH MONEY WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO BORROW.

AND IT'S GOT TO BE REALLY CLOSE OR WE GET PUNISHED IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T ESTIMATE RIGHT, WE ESTIMATE TOO LOW, THEN WE CAN'T GET PROJECTS DONE. IF WE ESTIMATE TOO HIGH, THEN THE STATE WILL PUNISH US. SO WE NEED TO BE AS ACCURATE AS WE CAN.

SO LET'S SAY WE WE DO OUR BEST GUESS. AND BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE GUESSING BASED ON THE BORROWING, WHAT PROJECTS WE'RE GOING TO START THAT FISCAL YEAR.

NOT NECESSARILY FINISH, BUT BUT START. IS THAT KIND OF AN ACCURATE PLACE TO START FROM.

SO SO LET'S SAY FOR INSTANCE, WE'VE WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PROJECTS AND WE WE SET THE BUDGET IN SEPTEMBER.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT PROJECT A THAT'S GOING TO BE STARTED IN FEBRUARY.

PROJECT B IN MAY. PROJECT C IN JULY AND THEN PROJECT D IN AUGUST.

AND ALL THOSE ARE GOING TO BE. LIKE GO TO CONSTRUCTION.

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ALL THOSE. MY UNDERSTANDING MOST OF THOSE WON'T BE FINISHED IN THAT FISCAL YEAR, BUT THEY'LL BE STARTED THAT FISCAL YEAR.

SO WE HAVE TO BORROW THE FULL AMOUNT FOR EVERY ONE OF THOSE.

IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO START THE CONSTRUCTION AND YOU'RE GOING TO AWARD THE CONTRACT, YOU NEED TO HAVE THE FUNDS.

OKAY. SO WE COULD BE POTENTIALLY STARTING A PROJECT IN AUGUST OF 2026.

AND EVEN THOUGH A VAST MAJORITY OF THE WORK CAN BE DONE IN 27 AND MAYBE EVEN 28, WE HAVE TO BORROW THE FULL AMOUNT.

AND THEN THAT'S WHAT SITS IN THE BANK. AND IT KIND OF KIND OF WAITS FOR THAT PROJECT.

AND THEN AGAIN, WITH ARBITRAGE, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE BORROWING IT TOO EARLY BECAUSE YOU NEED TO SPEND THAT MONEY WITHIN THE FIRST THREE YEARS.

OKAY. OR A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF IT. LET ME JUST SAY THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY MATT AND I SPEND A LOT OF TIME AS TO WHERE HE'S AT, WHERE WE'RE AT ON ENGINEERING DESIGN.

YOU KNOW, IF IT IS GOING TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE BROUGHT TO YOU WAS THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT WE THAT WE FELT WERE ONES THAT WE NEEDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE OPTION OF WE DON'T BORROW THAT FULL AMOUNT.

BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME SEO MONEY FROM OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN SPENT.

AND IF WE'RE GOING TO DELAY THOSE PROJECTS, WE COULD THEN REDUCE THAT AMOUNT OF BORROWING.

PERFECT. AND THEN IF YOU HAVE THAT PROJECT THAT'S AUGUST, AND YOU FIGURE OUT THAT THAT'S JUST NOT GOING TO START UNTIL THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

SO DON'T BORROW IT TILL YOU COULD. YOU COULD EITHER DON'T BORROW IT OR IF YOU'VE ALREADY BORROWED IT BECAUSE BECAUSE THE OTHER THING THAT I KIND OF SEE THAT WE DO IS WE DON'T DO SEPARATE BOND ISSUANCES FOR EVERY PROJECT. YOU WANT TO DO FEWER BOND PROJECTS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE COST SAVINGS, OF DOING FEWER, FEWER ISSUANCES BECAUSE THERE'S A COST TO ISSUE EACH ONE, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO DO ONE BOND ISSUANCE EARLY IN THE YEAR FOR ALL THOSE PROJECTS.

AND THEN LET'S SAY THE AUGUST 1ST GETS KICKED OUT TO TWO.

THAT'S WHERE YOU BASICALLY TAKE THAT MONEY THAT YOU'VE ALREADY BORROWED AND YOU SAY, HEY, THIS IS THIS IS A $10 MILLION PROJECT. WHAT OTHER PROJECT DID WE NOT PLAN ON DOING THAT WE CAN NOW DO? THAT'S WHERE YOU DO YOUR SWINDLING.

IS THAT KIND OF ACCURATE? OKAY. AND THEN TO ANSWER THE MAYOR'S QUESTIONS, WE WE DO HAVE.

SO THAT'S WHAT MATT AND I SPEND A LOT OF OUR TIME ON BECAUSE HE HAS THE OPERATION, THE PROJECTS AND THE ENGINEERING, THE CONSTRUCTION, THE OVERALL OPERATION OF IT.

BUT ON MY SPREADSHEET, I KEEP BY ISSUANCE, LIKE, WHAT DO WE WHAT HAVE WE BORROWED? WHAT HAVE WE SPENT? WHAT'S LEFT? WHAT CAN WE USE FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT OR SOME OTHER PROJECT? SO WE TRY TO DO OUR BEST BUY IN THAT SHEET THAT WE'VE PROVIDED TO YOU OF COMBINING THAT INFORMATION, SO YOU COULD SEE WHAT WOULD HAVE TO BE BORROWED OR NOT.

BUT WE WILL COME BACK WITH, WITH A DIFFERENT SCENARIO ARE DIFFERENT LAYOUTS.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT THAT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR BECAUSE WE DO DO THAT.

AND THEN ONE OTHER CLARIFICATION, WHEN WE GO OUT FOR A BOND ISSUANCE AND WE DO THAT BOND ISSUANCE KIND OF EARLY IN THE FISCAL YEAR, AND THEN THAT GETS APPROVED AND THE BONDS GET SOLD.

WHEN DO WE KIND OF TAKE THE HIT? IT'S WHEN WE BECAUSE THE BONDS HAVE BEEN SOLD, IS THAT WHEN WE START PAYING THE INTEREST.

AND ALL THAT YEAR IT'S THE FOLLOWING YEAR. THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THEN WE START TAKING DOWN MONEY AGAINST THAT, THAT THAT BOND WIN JUST AS SOON AS YOU GET IT, AS SOON AS YOU GET IT, THEN THAT GOES IN. SO IF WE WERE TO BORROW NOW, WE WOULD MOST LIKELY GET OUR FUNDING AROUND DECEMBER.

ONCE WE RECEIVE THAT MONEY, THEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ELIGIBLE TO START DOING THOSE PROJECTS THAT WE DID OUR NOTICE OF INTENT TO ISSUE FOR AND THEN WE START PAYING THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST PAYMENTS ON THOSE THE FOLLOWING YEAR, FOLLOWING YEAR.

AND THEN THE WHAT WAS THAT NEXT QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK.

SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE MONEY IN THE ACCOUNT BEFORE YOU SIGN THE CONTRACT.

YOU CAN'T SIGN A CONTRACT WITH SOMEBODY AND THEN GO BORROW THE MONEY. I AGREE.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT. YEAH. BASICALLY. I MEAN, SAY WE'VE GOT THE MONEY.

HERE'S THE CONTRACT WE WANT TO DO WITH YOU. CONSTRUCTION COMPANY.

WILL YOU SIGN THIS? DO WE AGREE TO THIS? BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE MONEY BORROWED AND NOW WE CAN SIGN THE CONTRACT.

OKAY. BECAUSE I WOULD NOT WANT TO COMMIT US TO SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE FUNDING FOR. THE EXCEPTION TO THAT WOULD BE IF YOU HAD FUNDS THAT WERE IN OTHER PLACES, THAT YOU COULD USE THE BACK OF THE CONTRACT UNTIL YOU GOT THE DEBT ISSUED. YOU REMEMBER, JUST IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENED, THEN YOU COULD YOU'VE GOT A WAY TO COVER YOURSELF. YEAH, OKAY. YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO BE LIQUID IS THE WAY I WOULD LOOK AT IT.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIQUID ASSETS TO BE ABLE TO FULFILL THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT.

YEAH, BUT I WOULD HIGHLY NOT BE IN FAVOR OF SIGNING CONTRACTS WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, YEAH, WE CAN MOVE SOME STUFF AROUND AND MAKE IT WORK.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEAN. WHAT I MEAN IS, I KNOW, OKAY.

BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS I WOULD RATHER IF YOU CAN ASSIGN A $20 MILLION DEAL, THEN YOU HAVE $20 MILLION OR A WAY TO PAY FOR IT.

YOU DON'T. YEAH, THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING. YEAH.

YOU DON'T SIGN IT AND THEN GO. I THINK WE IF WE MOVE SOME STUFF AROUND, WE DO THIS, WE DO THAT.

I THINK WE GOT IT. WE DON'T DO THAT. THE REASON I WAS, THE REASON I WAS CLARIFYING THAT.

BECAUSE THE WAY I HEARD THE QUESTION WAS, IS THAT YOU HAVE TO ISSUE THE DEBT BEFORE YOU CAN SIGN THE CONTRACT.

AND WHILE THAT MAY BE TRUE, IT IS NOT THE ONLY TRUTH BECAUSE YOU COULD USE FUND BALANCE THAT'S SITTING THERE ON AN

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OKAY. SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT.

SO IF YOU BUDGET TO BORROW MONEY, YOU'RE THEN TAKING YOUR JUSTINIAN'S RATE FOR YOUR ANTICIPATED BORROWINGS, RIGHT? CORRECT. WELL, NOT. NO. YEAH. GO AHEAD.

SORRY. OKAY. SO NOT UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY BORROW IT.

SO LIKE WHAT? WE'RE SETTING OUR RIGHT FOR NOW.

WE HAVEN'T BORROWED. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY NEXT YEAR.

BECAUSE I HAVE TO TELL WHAT WE'RE WHAT OUR ACTUAL PRINCIPAL INTEREST PAYMENTS WHAT OUR DEBT IS.

SO THAT WON'T BE IN OUR DEBT CALCULATION UNTIL THE NEXT YEAR.

IF IF YOU SELL IT, IF YOU IF YOU DO THE BOND ISSUANCE AT THE END OF YOUR FISCAL YEAR, OR IF YOU DID IT RIGHT OCTOBER 1ST, YOU WOULDN'T MAKE ANY PAYMENTS FOR THE WHOLE FISCAL YEAR, MOST LIKELY NOT BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY FIGURED YOUR RATE.

SO IT WOULD BE IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. YOU WOULD DESIGN THE BOND IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE FIRST PRINCIPAL PAYMENT WOULDN'T BE DUE UNTIL THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR.

AND IT'S. BUT ONCE A YEAR YOU CAN YOU ONLY MAKE BOND PAYMENTS TWICE A YEAR.

OKAY. AND IT'S BASICALLY IN THE FALL AND IN KIND OF IN THE EARLY SUMMER OR SPRING.

SO THAT'S THE TWO TIMES A YEAR YOU MAKE A PAYMENT, YOU CAN STRUCTURE DEBT, LIKE, SAY YOU ISSUED IT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DOING IT. SO YOU'VE ALREADY STARTED THE PROCESS OCTOBER 2ND, THAT DEBT ISSUANCE HITS.

YOU COULD STRUCTURE IT TO WHERE YOU DO MAKE YOUR FIRST PRINCIPAL PAYMENT, YOUR FIRST PRINCIPAL PAYMENT, AND THE SECOND HALF OF THE YEAR, IN WHICH CASE YOU WOULD ADD THAT INTO THE CALCULATION OF YOUR DEBT SERVICE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING BECAUSE YEAH, I, I THOUGHT THAT'S HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING IT UNLESS BECAUSE IT SEEMS ODD TO ME TO BUDGET A DEBT ISSUANCE, BUT YOU'RE NOT BUDGETING THE COST OF THE ISSUANCE BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE ALMOST TYING YOURSELF NEXT YEAR TO.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M HIGHLIGHTING THAT IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT THAT YOU ALL UNDERSTAND. BECAUSE IF YOU SAY, SAY, THE COUNCIL IS LIKE, WE WANT TO GO ISSUE $150 MILLION, THAT WILL THAT WILL COME INTO PLAY NEXT YEAR.

AND THE WAY NO NEW REVENUE WORKS IS WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM THE SAME POOL OF PROPERTIES.

SO NOW IF THE AMOUNT THAT I NEED FOR DEBT SERVICE GOES DRAMATICALLY UP, THEN THAT MEANS THE AMOUNT THAT I HAVE FOR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE GOES DOWN IN ORDER TO STILL FIT IN THAT CATEGORY. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT THAT YOU KNOW EVERYONE BE COGNIZANT OF OF HOW THE INS AFFECTS THE FUTURE.

BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A SITUATION OF HAVING TO CUT DEEP INTO THE MONEY.

I MEAN, I'M CUTTING THE MOW THIS YEAR AND NOT ADDING A WHOLE LOT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THAT'S BETTER THAN SAYING, HEY, NOW I GOT TO GO CUT 2 MILLION OUT OF OUR EXISTING EXPENDITURES IN ORDER TO MAKE THE INS WORK.

ALL RIGHT. SO EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID, I AGREE WITH.

SO WE BUDGET 29.5 MILLION. WE'VE ADJUSTED ALL THE RATES.

BUT IF YOU TELL ME WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY GOING, GOING TO COLLECT ANY INS MONEY FOR THIS 29.5 MILLION UNTIL NEXT YEAR.

THAT'S WHERE I'M GETTING CONFUSED, BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO ISSUE 30 MILLION IN DEBT.

WE'RE ADJUSTING OUR BUDGET TO COLLECT THE NEEDED MONEY, THE NEEDED FUNDS TO PAY FOR THAT DEBT SERVICE.

IF YOU'RE TELLING ME NO, WE'RE REALLY GOING TO DO IT THE FOLLOWING YEAR. THEN WHAT DO WE HOW DO.

HOW DO WE COME UP WITH COLLECTING 29.5 OR SO 29.5 MILLION? BECAUSE REALLY WE LOOKED AT. I MEAN BY SAYING, DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? WHAT I'M SAYING. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING CONFUSED IS YOU'RE TELLING ME, HERE'S THE LIMIT YOU CAN BORROW THIS YEAR, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR IT THIS YEAR.

YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT NEXT YEAR, WHICH MEANS THERE'S NOT A HIT THIS YEAR IN THE BUDGET.

WHAT I THINK IT IS, IS SOME KIND OF IMPACT FROM LAST YEAR, BUT WE DIDN'T BORROW MONEY LAST YEAR.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. IF WE HAVEN'T BEEN BORROWING MONEY, WHAT AM I MISSING? OKAY, SO IT ONLY TAKES LIKE TEN TIMES TO TELL ME.

AND YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I'M GETTING THE MESSAGE.

SO WHAT? WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS TO BORROW THE 29 MILLION.

ACTUALLY, THE 17 MILLION. WHAT WE'RE TELLING YOU IS WITH THE USING A 10% GROWTH ON OUR ON OUR TAX BASE.

THAT IS THE MAX THAT WE WOULD BORROW. THAT 29.5 MILLION WOULD BE THE MAX THAT WE WOULD BORROW TO KEEP OUR INS RATE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. BUT OKAY. BUT BUT WHEN WE BORROW IT, WE DON'T PAY FOR IT TILL NEXT YEAR.

SO HOW IS THAT? SO WHEN WE BORROW. NOW, IF WE STARTED THE PROCESS NOW AND YOU GOT YOUR MONEY IN DECEMBER, WE GET THE CASH. YOU START DOING YOUR PROJECTS.

WE START PAYING ON THAT DEBT THE FOLLOWING YEAR BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY YOU'VE ALREADY SET YOUR INTEREST IN SINKING,

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SO YOU'VE ALREADY SAID IT. IT DOESN'T CHANGE TILL THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF.

NO BORROWING ON WHAT YOUR EXISTING DEBT IS AT THAT POINT.

SO AS OF TODAY, IF OUR DEBT IS 8.5 MILLION, THAT IS WHAT YOUR INS RATE IS BEING SET ON.

OKAY. ONCE WE BORROW, WHEN WE START MAKING OUR PAYMENTS, THE NEXT YEAR IS WHEN WE START MAKING THOSE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST PAYMENTS.

THEN YOUR DEBT RATE GOES UP OR YOUR DEBT PAYMENTS, YOUR AMOUNT THAT YOU OWE GOES UP.

THAT CHANGES THAT NEXT YEAR'S INTEREST IN SINKING RATE, BECAUSE NOW IT'S NOT 8.5 MILLION.

IT'S MAYBE 10.5 MILLION OR WHATEVER. ARE YOU ACCUMULATING ALL THE DEBT RIGHT NOW? IS THAT WHAT. IS THAT WHERE THE PAYMENTS ARE COMING FROM? ALL OF OUR. YES. ALL OF OUR STREET. ALL OF THAT.

SO THAT DEBT. NOT YOUR WATER AND WASTEWATER. OKAY, SO THEN IF WE WERE TO BORROW MONEY THIS YEAR, IT WOULD JUST COMPOUND. ON TOP OF THAT, IT GETS ADDED TO.

YES. WHAT? YOUR PAYMENTS ARE THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

OKAY. BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE NOT AT JUST 8.5 MILLION.

YOU'RE GOING TO PICK UP THAT NEW PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST.

AND IT RAISES. SO NEXT YEAR AT THIS TIME WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO SET OUR RATE, THAT INTEREST IN SINKING AMOUNT WILL HAVE TO BE HIGHER TO PAY FOR THAT DEBT.

SO EVEN IF WE DID, GO AHEAD. SORRY. SO WHEN YOU'RE TELLING US THAT WE CAN BORROW.

WAS IT 29 MILLION? AND IN THE FUTURE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT BASED ON A CERTAIN PROJECTION OF GROWTH FOR NEXT YEAR? YES, SIR. THAT IF WE DON'T BORROW MORE MONEY AFTER THAT 29 MILLION, THAT NEXT YEAR'S INS RATE WOULD NOT GO UP.

CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE. SO I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WHERE IT'S NOT AFFECTING THIS YEAR'S INTEREST RATE.

IT'S THE PROJECTION FOR WHAT NEXT YEAR'S RATE.

CORRECT. WOULD NEED TO BE TO FULFILL THAT DEBT.

AM I SAYING THAT TO YOU? YOU'RE SAYING IT ACCURATE.

THE THE THE CAVEAT THAT I ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS IS THAT YOU CAN ISSUE THE EARLY IN THE YEAR AND MAKE A SINGLE PAYMENT.

AND IF YOU ARE PLANNING FOR THAT, THEN THAT CAN GO INTO THIS YEAR'S INS, BECAUSE YOU'RE BUILDING YOUR INS OFF OF YOUR PROJECTED INTEREST AND PRINCIPAL PAYMENTS FOR THE YEAR. IF YOU ARE NOT PLANNING FOR THAT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO GO AN ENTIRE YEAR BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR FIRST PAYMENT, THEN YOU CAN'T COLLECT AHEAD OF TIME. YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

LOOKING TO COLLECT AHEAD OF TIME? JUST MAKING MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU CAN BORROW WITHOUT AFFECTING YOUR RATE TODAY. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN NEXT YEAR, WELL, YOU HAVE TO RAISE IT BECAUSE YOU BORROWED THE MONEY. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW. WHAT CAN WE BORROW THAT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE US RAISE THE RATE. 29.5 IS THE BEST. AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO BE CLEAR IS WHAT THAT IS TELLING US.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.

HOW MUCH CAN WE BORROW. AND NOT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT HERE'S WHAT I DON'T WANT IS NEXT YEAR WHEN YOU GUYS SAY, WELL, WE EITHER HAD TO LAY OFF STAFF OR YOU'RE RAISING TAXES BECAUSE YOU BORROWED ALL THIS MONEY THE YEAR BEFORE, THEN I'M GOING TO BE REALLY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, NO, I THOUGHT BASICALLY, HOW MUCH CAN I BORROW AND MAKE THE SAME PAYMENT? LIKE IF I GO TO THE BANK AND I WANT TO BUY A NICER CAR, BUT I WANT MY PAYMENTS TO STAY THE SAME.

HOW MUCH CAN I GET? AND SOME GUY COMES BACK OUT OF THE BACK OFFICE AND SAYS, SIR, YOU CAN GET A $55,000 CAR.

OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I'LL BUY. BUT IF HE COMES BACK AND TELLS ME YOU CAN GET A $85,000 CAR, AND THEN NEXT YEAR, MY PAYMENTS ALL OF A SUDDEN GO UP. WELL, THEN, NOW I'M UPSET.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS WANTING TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE ALWAYS PROVEN TO BORROWING.

WE STARTED COLLECTING IONS FOR THAT, WITH THE INTENTION OF ISSUING THE DEBT THAT YEAR AND MAKING PAYMENTS ON IT.

AND THAT'S WHY THEN I STARTED GETTING CONFUSED WHY WE DIDN'T SELL DEBT IF WE WERE ALREADY COLLECTING IRONS.

BUT SINCE WE DIDN'T COLLECT DEBT OR WE DIDN'T SELL DEBT THIS CURRENT YEAR, WE DIDN'T COLLECT THE INS MONEY THIS YEAR.

AND I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND DOING THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE SAY WE WANT TO BORROW 17 MILLION AND WE WIND UP BORROWING MORE.

WELL THEN. I MEAN, YOU JUST. THAT'S JUST, IN MY OPINION THAT MAYBE I'M JUST TOO CONSERVATIVE, BUT I WOULD NOT DO THAT. I WOULD WAIT TILL WE ACTUALLY DO THE BORROWING AND THEN YOU DO YOUR CALCULATION, THEN YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR DEBT PAYMENTS ARE GOING TO BE.

AND THAT'S HOW YOU BASE WHAT YOUR ILLNESS IS.

AND BASED ON OUR PROJECTIONS. ASSUMING AGAIN, THAT WE HAVE A 10% GROWTH ON OUR TAX BASE, WE COULD DO THE 29.5 MILLION AND KEEP OUR INS RATE WHERE IT IS. YOU'RE NOT TOO CONSERVATIVE FOR ME.

OKAY. PERFECT. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THE DOWNSIDE TO NOT MAKING A PAYMENT IN THAT FIRST YEAR, NOT EVEN ONE PAYMENT, IS THAT THE OVERALL COST OF THE BOND GOES UP BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE CARRYING YOU'RE CARRYING MAYBE MAYBE THE WRONG WAY OF LOOKING AT IT IS YOU'RE BORROWING MONEY AND YOU'RE LETTING THE INTEREST ACCUMULATE FOR A YEAR WITHOUT MAKING A PAYMENT ON IT.

SO IT DOES COST YOU TO NOT MAKE A SINGLE PAYMENT.

BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, I MEAN, TO ALBERTA'S POINT, THE MOST CONSERVATIVE APPROACH IS TO JUST NOT HAVE ANY PAYMENTS IN YOUR CALCULATION.

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IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO TELL YOU ALL, YOU CAN BORROW 29.5 AND NOT NOT SINK, NOT WRECK THE SHIP.

YOU KNOW, SO TO SPEAK. AND THE REASON THAT IT MATTERS IS BECAUSE AT NO NEW REVENUE, I SAID IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM THE SAME POOL OF PROPERTIES.

OKAY. SO IF YOUR DEBT PAYMENT GOES UP, IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM THE SAME POOL OF PROPERTIES.

NOW YOUR OPERATING MONEY GOES DOWN. THE OTHER CALCULATION IS WHATEVER IT COSTS FOR YOUR OPERATIONS, YOU CAN GROW THAT UP TO 3.5% AND THEN ADD WHATEVER YOUR DEBT SERVICE IS.

THAT'S THE OTHER EXTENT OF THE TAX RATE THAT YOU COULD SET.

THAT'S THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE EFFECTIVELY. SO IT'S 3.5% GROWTH ON OH PLUS DEBT IS VOTER APPROVAL OR NO NEW REVENUE IS SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, SAME PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, AND YOU AND YOU USE THE SAME, YOU KNOW, THE SAME RESOURCES THAT YOU HAD THE YEAR BEFORE.

SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT WORKS. BUT WHEN I TALKED TO ALBERTA LAST TIME, YOU ALSO WHAT GOES INTO THAT CALCULATION FOR NO NEW REVENUE IS THE INCREASED PROPERTIES YEAR OVER YEAR. THOSE GET PART OF THE CALCULATION.

AND I PROBABLY MISSPOKE. IT DOES, BUT THEN IT SUBTRACTED OUT.

SO IT DOES CALCULATE. YEAH. SO LET'S TAKE IT RIGHT BACK.

BUT THEN IT'S TAKEN BACK OUT. WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER HOUR AND A HALF TO TALK ABOUT HOW TO CALCULATE. YEAH.

WE NEED WE NEED ONE OF THOSE I NEED ONE OF THOSE.

I'LL JUST SET IT UP CONFUSED. IT'S VERY COMPLICATED.

SALES TAX GOES IN ONE WAY AND IT COMES OUT A DIFFERENT WAY.

AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT WAY. BUT WHEN IT GOES IN IT'S LIKE YOUR LAST FISCAL YEAR, LET'S SAY.

AND WHEN IT COMES OUT AT YOUR LAST FOUR QUARTERS.

AND SO IT'S NOT DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR. AND AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, IT WAS TO HELP OFFSET BIG SWINGS IN TAXES SO THAT YOU'RE NOT.

YEAH. SO IT'S, IT'S IT IS VERY COMPLICATED. AND I DON'T WANT TO BELITTLE THE FACT.

I KNOW EVERY YEAR WHEN WE GET BACK AROUND TO THIS, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WHAT IS NO NEW REVENUE? HOW DOES IT WORK? ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. AND THE, THE TAX SHEET THAT CALCULATES IT IS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE 70 LINES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS JUST THE SIMPLE, HEY, HERE, HERE'S THE NUMBER.

SO IT'S IT'S UNDERSTANDING WHY IT'S COMPLICATED.

THE WAY I'M TRYING TO DESCRIBE IT IS THE EASIEST WAY I KNOW TO BOIL IT DOWN.

BUT YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. WE HAVE A SALES TAX THAT ALSO BUYS DOWN OUR PROPERTY TAX TOO.

SO THAT ALSO IMPACTS WHAT THE WHAT THE RATE IS.

SO THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT GOES INTO THE CALCULATION FOR SURE.

CAN YOU GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES TO THE INCREASED TAXES.

I WANT TO SHOW SOMETHING TO NEW. THE NEW. OH, THE ONE WITH THE HOW MUCH PER MONTH THING.

YEAH. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON BROUGHT UP A FEW YEARS AGO THAT I THINK HE SAVED OUR BACON.

PRETTY BIG ON THE HOMESTEAD VERSUS NON HOMESTEAD.

YEAH OKAY. LIKE SEE HOW THE. SO THE TOP PART RESIDENTIAL WITH YOUR HOMESTEAD.

SO THE HOMESTEAD PEOPLE SAW $124 INCREASE IN THE THE RENTERS THE NON THE NON HOMESTEAD PEOPLE SAW $511 $11 DECREASE. AND WHAT WHAT HE CAME UP WITH IN A MEETING? I THINK ISAAC WAS HERE. RIGHT. WE FIRST THINK SO.

WAS THAT AT THAT POINT, USUALLY THE PROPERTY VALUES THERE MAX AT 10% FOR HOMESTEADED PEOPLE, AND THEY ALWAYS WENT UP A CERTAIN WAY WITHIN LIKE A COUPLE OF YEARS.

YEAH, LIKE A 15% INCREASE, A 20% INCREASE IN A 30.

AND THEN IT KIND OF DIVERGED. THE THE INVESTMENT PROPERTY WAS GOING HIGHER AND THEY WERE GETTING TAXED HIGHER THAN THE HOMESTEAD.

PEOPLE WERE BEING CAPPED AT 10% EVERY YEAR. SO THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS WE HAD THIS BIG DEBATE RIGHT WHEN JAMES CAME IN, WE HAD A HUGE DEBATE. YOU CAN BORROW LIKE $60 MILLION OR SOMETHING, AND IT WON'T.

IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE HOMESTEADED HOMEOWNER. AND THE MAYOR PRO TEM WAS LIKE, HOLD ON A SECOND.

THAT'S ASSUMING THIS DIVIDES WAS THE SAME. BUT IF THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY EVER DROPS AND THE INVESTMENT PROPERTY STARTS COMING MORE CLOSELY IN LINE WITH THE REGULAR HOMEOWNERS, YOU GET THIS. SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY GIVING PEOPLE A DECREASE.

IT'S HAPPENING BECAUSE THE PROPERTY VALUES HAVE BEEN DROPPING AND BECAUSE THEY DROP.

NOW YOUR 10% CARRYOVER THAT'S CAPPED. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, YOUR HOUSE MAY BE WORTH HALF A MILLION, BUT YOU'RE GETTING TAXED AT, SAY, 400. WELL, NEXT YEAR YOU'RE GOING TO GET TAXED AT 440.

EVEN THOUGH THAT YOUR VALUE DROPPED TO 480. AND SO YOU THINK, WELL I MY HOUSE VALUE WENT DOWN, I SHOULD PAY LESS. BUT DEPENDING ON WHEN YOU BOUGHT YOUR HOUSE, IF YOU BOUGHT IT IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, YOU'RE SEEING DECREASES. IF YOU BOUGHT IT, SAY, BEFORE THE BIG SPIKE OF COVID, YOU'RE SEEING A TAX INCREASE EVERY YEAR, EVEN ON NO NEW REVENUE, BECAUSE EVERY YEAR THE THE ASSESSED VALUE RIGHT BEING TAXED IS GOING UP 10%.

IT'S BASICALLY YOU HAVE BANKED YOU HAVE BANKED DEFERRED TAXABLE VALUE ON A HOMESTEADED PROPERTY BECAUSE THE HOMESTEADED PROPERTY MAY HAVE GONE UP ON THE BOOKS 20%, BUT THEY CAN ONLY INCREASE YOUR TAXABLE AMOUNT BY TEN.

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AND YOU AND YOU STRING ENOUGH OF THOSE YEARS TOGETHER. THAT GAP COULD GET PRETTY BIG.

SO THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS THE THE HOMESTEADERS ARE DOWN HERE PAYING AT A VALUE.

THEY'RE NOT PAYING THE FULL DEFERRED VALUE OF THEIR, OF THEIR TAXABLE VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY'RE CAPPED AT TEN.

BUT THE NON HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES, WHICH ARE EITHER PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T HOMESTEAD OR ARE RENTAL PROPERTIES OR INVESTMENT PROPERTIES, THEY'RE PAYING WHATEVER THE MARKET GREW IT TO.

SO THEN WHENEVER YOU HAVE A CHANGE IN THE MARKET WHERE THE VALUES START TO COME BACK DOWN, THIS 1ST MAY COME DOWN TO HERE AND THESE GUYS WOULD SEE A DECREASE, BUT THE HOMESTEAD STILL HAS THAT MUCH UNREALIZED.

SO THEIRS GOES UP AND UP AND UP UNTIL IT BALANCES.

AND THEN IF THINGS CONTINUE TO GO DOWN, THEN THEY WOULD START STEPPING BACK DOWN AGAIN.

HOW'S THAT? THAT PERFECT. BECAUSE HAD WE NOT HAD WE DONE MAYBE WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT DOING, YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN POTENTIALLY INSTEAD OF $124 INCREASE, YOU COULD HAVE SEEN A HOMESTEADED PERSON WITH NO NEW REVENUE, MAYBE GETTING A 2 OR 3 OR $400 INCREASE, BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE HAD ALL THIS EXTRA ASSESSMENT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PICK UP ON BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE MADE EVERYBODY. SO THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS ASK HIM STUFF LIKE, HEY, HOW DO I SAY THIS? BECAUSE I'M SEEING SOMETHING. AND THAT ONE THERE, HE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT REALLY SAW THAT. AND ONCE HE SAID THAT, I SAID, MAN, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHY YOU SEE SOME PEOPLE GO, I'M GETTING A TAX DECREASE.

SO YOU GUYS ARE ALL FULL OF IT. THERE ARE NO TAXES GOING UP.

WELL, IF THEY BOUGHT WITHIN THE LAST 2 OR 3 YEARS AND THEY DON'T HAVE LIKE I THINK AT ONE POINT I HAD LIKE $160,000 IN VALUE THAT WAS CAPPED, THAT WAS READY TO BE ROLLED OVER. EACH YEAR, 40,000 COMES OVER.

EVEN THIS YEAR, I STILL HAVE VALUE COMING OVER AND I STILL HAVE MONEY THAT EVEN ONLY REVENUE.

THAT'S WHY, AGAIN, NO NEW REVENUE IN 26 HOMEOWNERS ARE GOING TO SEE AN $18 A MONTH INCREASE.

AND NOW THIS YEAR, WHAT I'M SEEING IS THE REASON BOTH SIDES ARE GETTING ARE 18.

OH YEAH. SO FIVE AND $1.39. THE REASON I THINK THEY'RE BOTH GETTING THE INCREASE NOW IS BECAUSE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY HAS STARTED TO DROP.

AND BECAUSE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS STARTING TO DROP, IT'S A BIGGER PORTION OF EVERYTHING.

AND SO NOW WHERE THEY WERE SHOULDERING MORE OF THE BURDEN, NOW THE BURDEN CONTINUES TO COME TO THE HOMESTEAD AND HOMEOWNER TO EVENTUALLY WHEN THE MARKET KIND OF CHILLS OUT WITH SAMSUNG AND ALL THAT WE SHOULD SEE, I WOULD HOPE MORE MODERATION.

BUT RIGHT NOW, THAT'S WHY EVERY YEAR WE'VE DONE NO NEW REVENUE.

WE STILL SEE INCREASES BECAUSE THE MARKET I THINK WENT UP MY OPINION, IT WENT SO HIGH AND I THINK 21 THAT YEAR I THINK COMMERCIAL WENT UP LIKE 40% TO WHERE THE PRESIDENTIAL DID TOO. YEAH, IT'S JUST NOW.

IT'S JUST NOW GETTING MORE MODERATION. SO IT'S CRAZY TO THINK THE REASON IT'S ANOTHER INCREASE.

YEAH. AND THE REASON THAT THAT MATTERS TO NO NEW REVENUE AGAIN IS IT'S THE SAME DOLLARS FROM THE SAME POOL OF PROPERTIES.

WHAT IS NOT THE SAME IS THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE RATIO OF WHERE THOSE DOLLARS FALL ON BURDEN.

SO IT'S IT BECOMES A TRUE I LIKE TO USE THE BALLOON, BUT IT'S A PIE CHART BASICALLY.

AND IF IF THE PIE IF THE PIE IS $10 MILLION AND COMMERCIALS PAYING THREE FOURTHS OF IT, WELL, SUDDENLY THE WAY THE VALUATIONS GO, THE COMMERCIAL DROPS AND RESIDENTIAL COMES UP.

NOW THAT 10 MILLION COULD BE SHIFTED TO WHERE IT'S 5050.

WELL, THAT MEANS THE HOMEOWNERS TAX BILLS GO UP, THE COMMERCIAL TAX BILLS GO DOWN.

RIGHT. BECAUSE AND BUT THE OVERALL MONEY THAT YOU COLLECT IS THE SAME AMOUNT.

AND THAT'S KNOWN IN REVENUE. AND THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT TOOK OUT SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF DEBT WHEN THAT WAS HAPPENING BECAUSE THEY WERE LIKE, HEY, THIS THE COMMERCIAL IS GOING TO PICK UP THE BURDEN OF THIS DEBT.

AND NOW I FEEL SORRY FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY DID THAT.

AND POTENTIALLY IF THEY DIDN'T GROW THEIR COMMERCIAL BASE FAST ENOUGH FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, LIKE HE'S SAYING, AS THE BALLOON COMES BACK DOWN NOW, THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE TO PICK UP ALL THAT INCREASE, WHICH I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO BE FREAKING OUT.

SO YEAH, NO, NEW REVENUE DOES NOT MEAN NO, NO NEW TAXES.

WELL, WE SAY IT'S IT'S REALLY IT'S NOT REALLY THAT THE HOMEOWNER WILL PAY THE EXACT SAME.

IT'S THE PIE OF PROPERTY PAYS THE SAME AMOUNT.

CORRECT. AND THE ASSUMPTION IS EVERYTHING'S GROWING IN LOCKSTEP.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A ONE PIECE IS GROWING FASTER THAN THE OTHER, VALUATION WISE, IT REALLY STARTS SCREWING IT ALL UP.

AND YOU ONLY HAVE THREE CATEGORIES THAT I'M AWARE OF. YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, HOMESTEADED RESIDENTIAL NON HOMESTEADED THREE CATEGORIES.

SO YOU HAVE THREE. YOU HAVE THREE PIECES OF THE PIE AND THEN THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE OF WHO HAS WHICH PIECE DEPENDS ON WHOSE VALUE IS GROWING OR OR

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AND HERE'S THE LAST PART. ANOTHER ONE. MAYOR PRO TEM BROUGHT UP WAS THAT WITH THIS DATA CENTER, LET'S SAY THE VALUATION OF THE CITY IS MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, IT IS 6 BILLION OR SOMETHING I READ OR CLOSE.

IS IT 5.8? DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? LET'S SAY IT'S 6 BILLION TODAY.

AND YOU GOT YOUR PIE CHART, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL AND YOUR INVESTMENT.

WELL, THEN HE BROUGHT UP. WE GOT TO BE CAREFUL HERE BECAUSE, GENTLEMEN, I GOT THIS WRONG.

BUT YOU START THROWING IN 5 BILLION IN DATA CENTERS, ALL OF A SUDDEN THE PIE STARTS SHIFTING DRAMATICALLY AGAIN.

AND SO IT'S ONE THING. IF IT SHIFTS AND THEN EVERYTHING STAYS THE SAME, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN THE RATES START GETTING SCREWY.

AND IF WE'RE WE WERE WORKING REALLY HARD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TO MAKE SURE THAT IF IT SHIFTS AND GOES INSTEAD OF A BILLION IN COMMERCIAL, YET 5 BILLION. WHAT DOES THAT DO TO EVERYBODY'S RATES? BECAUSE WE CAN'T ALL OF A SUDDEN TELL YOU YOU'RE NOT PAYING PROPERTY TAXES THIS YEAR BECAUSE NO NEW REVENUE DID THAT.

BUT THEN NEXT YEAR, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GOT A $2,500 BILL BECAUSE 30% OF THE PROPERTY OR WHATEVER WAS DEPRECIATED, AND NOW IT'S SWUNG BACK. IS THAT KIND OF. YEAH.

YEAH. AND THAT'S WHERE I MEAN, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID ACTUALLY HELP US, LIKE HAVING MONEY GOING TO ITS ERS, BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T IMPACT THE PROPERTY TAX BECAUSE IT'S TAKEN OFF THE CALCULATION.

THAT'S WHY WE PUSHED ALL THAT THE TERS CAN CAN GIVE US BENEFIT FROM IT.

BUT THEN IT DOESN'T. IT WON'T SWING WILDLY IF THAT GOES UP AND DOWN SOME OF THAT.

YEAH I THINK WE TOOK WHAT THE THE PROPERTY WENT INTO DETERS THE PERSONAL PROPERTY COULDN'T OR I HAVE THAT BACKWARDS.

NO THAT'S CORRECT, THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. SO WE'RE DOING IT IN AN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE SURE.

BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A GOOD GRASP ON WHAT THE IMPACTS OF, YOU KNOW, 5 BILLION IN DATA CENTERS DOUBLING THE VALUE OF THE CITY IN A COUPLE OF YEARS.

WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY DO? WE MODEL THAT OUT, BUT THEN WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO MODEL THE MARKET CONDITIONS.

VALUES ARE GOING UP, VALUES ARE GOING DOWN. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO RIDE OFF A THIRD OF THEIR VALUE EVERY YEAR AND THEN REPLACE IT ONE YEAR.

AND WE'RE LIKE, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THE RATE'S 59 CENSUS THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR IT'S $0.25.

NEXT YEAR IT'S 65. PEOPLE FREAK OUT. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I DON'T LIKE REALLY COMPARING THE RATE A LOT.

BECAUSE IF WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF SAYING WE DO NO NEW REVENUE EACH YEAR, BUT THE RATES START SWINGING CRAZY, RIGHT? WITH VALUATIONS POTENTIALLY AND STUFF BEING DEPRECIATED, IF WE FOCUS, EVERYBODY SAYS WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB BECAUSE WE'VE LOWERED THE RATE, WHEN IN REALITY IT'S THE VALUES OF THE HOMES HAVE GONE UP THAT'S PUSHED RIGHT DOWN.

THAT'S MY FEAR. IF YOU STICK WITH THE RATE CONVERSATION TOO MUCH.

ONE DAY WHEN NO NEW REVENUE CAUSES YOUR RATE TO GO UP TEN $0.10, LET'S SAY WE'RE OR NICKEL.

NOW WE'RE IN TROUBLE FOR RAISING YOUR TAX RATE, EVEN THOUGH THE TAX BILL IS THE SAME.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO REALLY FOCUS ON TAX BILLS AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS JUST THE RATE, JUST A COMPONENT OF THE MATH EQUATION. DON'T FOCUS ON THAT.

FOCUS ON YOUR BILL. THAT WAY IN TWO YEARS, IF YOU DO HAVE TO RAISE THE TAX RATE.

WE'RE NOT ALL GETTING RUN OUT OF CITY HALL BECAUSE, HEY, WE CAN TELL PEOPLE YOU'RE STILL PAYING THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAXES.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE RATE. I HEAR YOU AND I WILL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU, BUT I REALLY THINK YOU NEED BOTH BECAUSE IT IS A COMPONENT.

BECAUSE JUST LIKE HERE, LIKE YOU'RE SEEING, EVEN WITH NO NEW REVENUE, PEOPLE'S PEOPLE'S TAXES ARE GOING UP.

SO YOU CAN'T SAY YOU DIDN'T RAISE TAXES BECAUSE YOU DID RAISE TAXES EVEN WITH NO NEW REVENUE FOR THOSE PEOPLE, MAYBE THE COMMERCIAL GOT A TAX CUT AND THEY'RE GOING TO ARGUE, HEY, JUST LIKE YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER, LIKE WHEN OUR TAXES WENT DOWN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE BOTH BECAUSE ONE DOESN'T TELL THE FULL STORY.

NEITHER JUST ONE TELLS THE FULL STORY. YEAH, I THINK.

I THINK. TO WHAT? YEAH. WELL, ANY TWO VARIABLE EQUATION.

IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE UNDERSTAND THE RESULT, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND BOTH VARIABLES SEPARATELY. YEAH.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT GORDON SAID. I THINK YOU SAID RIGHT. ADD IN THE VALUES OR ADD IN SOME MORE CLARITY.

YEAH, DEFINITELY. BECAUSE I MEAN, IF WE'RE MAKING THESE DECISIONS AND I'M KIND OF GOING OFF OF A FALSE ASSUMPTION AT THE START THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY AFFECTS HOW I'M GOING TO MAKE MY DECISION.

AND I WANT TO HAVE THE MOST INFORMATION, THE BEST INFORMATION POSSIBLE.

SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A THIRD LINE THAT HAS COMMERCIAL IF WE COULD.

I MEAN, IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? NO, BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT'S THE THREE.

IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO DO LIKE A AVERAGE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY VARY SO MUCH.

YEAH. OKAY. THEY VARY SO MUCH. AND AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE KNOW HOW MANY LIKE, TOTAL SQUARE FEET WE ACTUALLY HAVE.

AND SO I COULDN'T EVEN BREAK IT DOWN TO LIKE A SQUARE FOOT AVERAGE.

I COULD JUST DO AVERAGE BY COUNT I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT THAT I DON'T THINK A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES.

BUT I COULD DO A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES DIVIDED BY THE TOTAL VALUATION.

BUT ONCE YOU PUT A, YOU KNOW, THAT ONE DATA CENTER IN LIKE SKEWS WHAT THE AVERAGE IS.

SO THAT'S WHY WE DON'T DO IT WITH COMMERCIAL. BUT ARE WE ABLE TO LOOK IN THERE AND SEE TO PETER'S POINT.

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VALUE OF NON HOMESTEAD. WE PROVIDE THAT IN THE IN THE ALL YOUR YOUR ALL OF THE BACKUP THAT WE DO WITH BUDGET.

REMEMBER LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID THE TAX SHEET AND IT HAD ALL THE BACKUP MATERIAL.

THAT'S WHERE ALL THAT DATA IS LOCATED AT. BUT ARE WE ABLE TO USE THAT SAME DATA AND THEN COMPARE LIKE TO WHERE WE CAN THEN CAN WE FIGURE OUT A WAY TO KNOW THAT COMMERCIAL WENT UP 10%. WENT DOWN TEN. YEAH. IT SHOWS YOU ON THAT SHEET TOO.

YEAH. YOU CAN DO THAT, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. AS A WHOLE I MEAN, I GET IT THAT SOME NOT EVERY COMMERCIAL IS GOING TO HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF INCREASE, DECREASE, WHATEVER, BUT IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT AS MUCH AS IT IS, IT'S EASIER TO DETERMINE THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE'S SOME STANDARDIZATION ON WHAT A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IS, I.E.

GARAGE, SOME BEDROOMS, YOU KNOW, KITCHEN, BATHROOM, BOARDED UP.

BUT WHEN YOU GET TO COMMERCIAL PROPERTY LIKE YOU HAVE MULTIFAMILY, I WAS GOING TO SAY APARTMENTS FALL INTO THAT.

THEY DON'T FALL IN, YOU KNOW, HAPPY PANINIS, A DIFFERENT THING.

AND SO THERE'S NO WAY TO REALLY AVERAGE IT OTHER THAN BY COUNT AND DOLLARS.

AND THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU AN ACCURATE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE COMMERCIAL ACTUALLY IS DOING.

SO TO ME, THAT'S THAT IS LIKE JUST A BAD STATISTIC, WHICH IS WHY I DON'T REPORT IT.

OKAY. BUT CAN WE SHOW YOU HOW MUCH IT'S GONE UP OR DOWN.

YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT OVERALL FOR SURE. ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE DONE. JUST ONE WASN'T MINUTIA. BACK TO EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

MR. ISBELL DID IS HAVE YOU EVER LOOKED AT NOT TO REPLACE WEATHER STATION? WHICH YOU YOU'RE I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF IT, BUT NOT TO REPLACE THAT PROPOSAL, BUT TO LOOKING AT, LIKE, SOMETHING LIKE WEATHER UNDERGROUND.

ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT? THE. IT'S A CIVILIAN NETWORK OF PROFESSIONAL WEATHER STATIONS.

YEAH. I HAVE NOT LOOKED SPECIFICALLY INTO WEATHER UNDERGROUND.

YEAH, BUT I'M GLAD YOU'RE BRINGING THIS BACK UP BECAUSE I WAS WAITING FOR THE. I WAS GLAZED OVER WITH THE WITH THE WONDERFUL FINANCE STUFF THAT I'M SO GLAD THERE ARE SUCH OTHER ONES AS I'M LOOKING AT FLOOD MAPS AND ALL THIS STUFF.

BUT I'M REALLY GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE I WANT TO LOOK INTO THAT THAT SPECIFIC SOLUTION.

BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO GIVE SOME CLARITY ON WHAT THIS CURRENT PROPOSAL IS AND HOW IT DIFFERENTIATES.

OKAY. WELL I'LL GIVE YOU THE FLOOR ON THAT AND I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH A QUESTION.

COOL. SO WITH THE CURRENT PROPOSAL THAT WAS MADE BEFORE THE FLOODS, OBVIOUSLY THIS OH ALBERTA CAN I USE I DON'T THINK IT'LL REACH THAT SWITCH HERE. YEAH. THERE YOU GO.

GIVE THEM THAT ONE. OH. OH, WE'VE BEEN HIDING THAT.

THERE YOU GO. MAKE SURE YOU TURN IT ON. TURN IT ON.

ALL RIGHT. HOW ABOUT NOW? THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH.

NOW CARRY ON. SO THE CURRENT SOLUTION THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU IN THE PROPOSAL IS A WEATHER, A WEATHER STATION TO COLLECT DATA AND ALSO A WEATHER ALERTING IN COMBINATION.

SO WHAT IT CAN. AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR WEATHER.

WHAT IT CAN DO IS IT CAN SEND OUT PRE PRESCRIBED MESSAGES BASED ON WHAT WEATHER CONDITIONS WE'RE SEEING. COULD BE LIGHTNING. COULD BE, YOU KNOW A FLOOD WATCH.

IT COULD BE A TORNADO WARNING, STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND GIVE AN AUDIBLE WARNING AND ALERT WITH A, WITH A WITH MANY DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN DO IT BY SIREN OR SPEECH OR AND A AND ALIGNMENT. AND ALL OF THAT IS CUSTOMIZABLE FOR WHATEVER HAZARD WE WANT TO TELL IT TO DO OR RIGHT IN THE MOMENT. GO AHEAD AND DO DO A TEXT TO SPEECH ALERT SYSTEM WHERE WE CAN TELL IT EXACTLY WHAT TO SAY.

MAYBE IT'S NOT EVEN WEATHER RELATED. THE DESIGN OF THIS ONE IS TO BE IN THE PARKS AND RECREATION AREA, WHERE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ALWAYS CERTAIN TO HAVE THEIR PHONE OFF, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY VEHICLE OF OF OUR SYSTEM, OUR REGIONAL NOTIFICATION SYSTEM, IN WHICH THAT WE CAN DO OUR EMERGENCY ALERTS.

WE ALSO, IN THAT SAME SYSTEM, HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO OVER FM RADIO TELEVISION AND LANDLINE PHONES THROUGH THE NATIONAL PROGRAM THAT IT'S TIED INTO CALLED IPOS.

RIGHT. SO IF THE EVENT, IF FOLKS ARE ENJOYING OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES, MAYBE WITHOUT THEIR PHONE,

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IT HAS NO FLOOD OF RIVER CAPACITY FOR ITS FLOW OR RISE INSIDE THE SYSTEM.

IT IS PRIMARILY FROM TO FOR REAL TIME WEATHER CONDITIONS AND THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ALERTING OF PROGRAMS OR PRODUCTS. LIKE ALL THE DIFFERENT WATCHES AND WARNINGS THAT WE CAN TELL AND WHAT TO DO.

THAT WOULD INCLUDE A FLOOD WARNING, THOUGH IT WOULD SO IT'S NOT MONITORING THE FLOODING ITSELF, IT'S RELYING ON SOMEBODY ELSE WHO'S MONITORING IT TO PUSH THE DATA.

CORRECT. OKAY. AND I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW, MATT AND I WILL BE GETTING TOGETHER AND TAKING A LOOK AT SOME OF OUR FLOODPLAIN ISSUES.

RIGHT. BECAUSE MY BIGGEST CONCERN REGARDING FLOODING IS THAT COTTONWOOD CREEK WHICH IS A MAJOR ONE OF TWO OF OUR MAJOR WATERWAYS THAT THAT THAT PROVIDE SOME OF OUR RISK AND FLOODING DOES NOT HAVE THE GAUGES FROM NOAA AND NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LIKE BRUSHING CREEK DOES.

BRUSHING CREEK. WE HAVE THREE UPSTREAM GAUGES IN THE ROUND ROCK CEDAR PARK AREA AND ONE DOWNSTREAM 1660 AND FM 973. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRACKING ON THAT DAY OF THE FLOOD, OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING UPRIVER, WHAT WE'RE SEEING DOWNRIVER, AND THEN DISPATCHING EMERGENCY SERVICES FOR EYES ON DURING THAT TIME, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A GAUGE RIGHT IN OUR WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS.

RIGHT. WHICH IS OKAY, BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE WHAT'S COMING TO US ANYWAYS.

MORE MORE THAN WE WANT WHAT WE WANT TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN FLOOD WISE.

BECAUSE WE HAVE EYES THAT WE CAN GO SEE IT. RIGHT? SO IT'S TWO DIFFERENT, TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS.

THIS PROJECT WITH THIS CURRENT WARNING SYSTEM IS REALLY PRIMARILY TOWARDS OUR OUTDOOR, RECREATIONAL AND GENERAL WETTER WEATHER ALERTING CAPACITIES AND DATA COMING IN. THEN WE WANT THROUGH OUR HAZARD MITIGATION PLANS, THROUGH OTHER COMPONENTS THAT WE CAN GO AND LOOK AT WHAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE MIGHT DO TO ADDRESS WHAT WE WHAT OUR FUTURE IS IN MANAGING THE RISK OF COTTON.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? YEAH. YOU KNOW, THANKFULLY, TOPOGRAPHICALLY, WE'RE NOT AT AT IMMEDIATE RISK OF OF A SUPER FAST EVENT LIKE LIKE KERRVILLE.

RIGHT. I MEAN, IT WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY RAIN RIGHT ON TOP OF US FOR COTTONWOOD TO FLOOD.

BECAUSE COTTONWOOD IS A FAIRLY SHORT CREEK. IT STARTS PRETTY CLOSE BY WHERE BRUSHY IS OUT IN LEANDER, BUT IT HAS TO RAIN FROM LEANDER TO HUTTO FOR BRUSHY CREEK TO FLOOD.

I WOULD SAY THAT OUR RISK IS LESS. IT'S LOW. IT'S LOCALIZED AND IT'S IT'S RELATIVELY FLAT LAND.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE POURING ON ALL OF US. IT'S NOT GOING TO COME FROM NOWHERE AND FLOOD US.

WELL, WE'LL KIND OF. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED LIKE AN IMMEDIATE OUTDOOR ALERT ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I MEAN, WE TRACKING IS GOOD, BUT AS FAR AS THE WEATHER STUFF GOES, I KNOW.

YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BRING MY KIDS TO PFLUGERVILLE TO PLAY IN DIFFERENT SPORTS TOURNAMENTS IN A IT'S A COUNTY PARK, A TRAVIS COUNTY PARK DOWN THERE. AND THEY HAD AN AUTOMATED SYSTEM WHERE IF LIGHTNING WAS WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE, AN ALARM WOULD GO OFF, AND THEN EVERYBODY HAD TO EVACUATE THE FIELDS UNTIL THERE WAS A CLEAR SIGNAL WHEN LIGHTNING WAS NOT WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. AND I KNOW HERE LOCALLY, VOLUNTEERING WITH BSA, WE HAD THE SAME POLICY, BUT LITERALLY BOARD MEMBERS ARE SITTING THERE IN THE CONCESSION STAND ON A CELL PHONE WITH AN APP, SEEING HOW CLOSE IS THE LIGHTNING.

AND YOU KNOW, OH, LOOK, THERE'S A LIGHTNING STRIKE.

YOU KNOW, WE JUST SAW LIGHTNING. SO THAT'S ONE THING. AND YEAH.

AND SO IT'S WHEN YOU HAVE GOOD WHEN YOU HAVE GOOD VOLUNTEERS, HOPEFULLY IT WORKS OUT.

BUT THEN YOU'RE RELYING ON ON THAT CONTINUING TO HAPPEN VERSUS A SYSTEM THAT IS HOPEFULLY RELIABLE AND SOMETHING YOU CAN COUNT ON.

SO I THINK THERE'S SOME VALUE IN THAT. WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO MONITOR FOR AND WHAT MAKES SENSE, VERSUS MONITORING FOR EVERYTHING POSSIBLE AND SPENDING MONEY THAT ISN'T GOING TO HAVE A BENEFIT.

SO IT WOULD COME WITH A FULL SUITE. WELL, THAT WE CREATE CASSANDRA AND I AND PARKS AND RECREATION, A FULL SUITE OF POLICIES ON SPECIFIC WATCHES AND WARNINGS AND WEATHER CONDITION TRIGGERS THAT WOULD TRIGGER CERTAIN TYPE OF ALARMS OR NOTIFICATION PROCESSES, JUST LIKE WE DO WITH WITH RNNS.

WE WOULD JUST WRITE THAT INTO WHAT WHAT OUR COMMUNICATION PLAN IS FOR ALERTING RESIDENTS TO THESE HAZARDS.

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ARE WE LOOKING AT APPLYING FOR GRANTS OR ASKING NOAH TO INSTALL ANY MONITORING SYSTEMS ON COTTONWOOD? CURRENTLY, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M RESEARCHING IS WHAT THE COORDINATION LOOKS LIKE WITH WHO OWNS THOSE THOSE SENSORS WHO MANAGES THEM? IT'S USGS, NOAA AND NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE.

AND THEN WHAT TYPE OF LOCAL COOPERATION CAN HAPPEN IN TERMS OF REQUESTING MORE OR HIGHLIGHTING LIKE, HEY, COTTONWOOD CREEK DOESN'T HAVE ONE USGS, SHOULD IT HAVE ONE? THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY RESEARCHING NOW.

AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOME ANSWERS ON SOME NEXT STEP ACTIONS ON WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE FUTURE.

BASED ON THAT, ON THAT RESEARCH. BUT YEAH, IT DOES BOTHER ME ABOUT COTTONWOOD CREEK BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY RELYING ON VISUAL. AND IDEALLY IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE SOMETHING UPSTREAM ON COTTONWOOD CREEK PRIOR OR EVEN RIGHT AT THE TOP OF OUR CITY LIMITS TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE AND HAVE IT MORE ADVANCED WARNING AND MORE ADVANCED TIME IN ORDER TO TO MAKE THE NOTIFICATIONS OR YOU KNOW, COORDINATE ANY TYPE OF EVACUATIONS OR ANY OTHER PROTECTIVE ACTION.

BUT REGARDING OUR RISK, WE STILL HAVE RISK THAT RAIN WEST OF US CAN IMPACT THESE, THESE CHANNELS AND AND ALSO ON TOP OF US WITH LOCALIZED FLOODING.

SURE, SURE. BUT IT'S JUST WE DON'T HAVE A RISK OF 30FT IN AN HOUR.

WE BUT WE HAVE WE WE WE DO HAVE A RISK OF STILL HAVING SIGNIFICANT FLOODING, BUT IT'S GOING TO COME WITH SIGNIFICANT RAIN THAT WE'RE SEEING.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN IMMEDIATE THING. IT'S GOING TO BE A A FEW HOURS THING.

IT'S IT'S A DIFFERENT TIME FRAME. YOU KNOW, IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS WHERE THE, WHERE THE WATER FALLS.

BECAUSE I WOULD SAY THERE IS ALWAYS STILL A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD SEE 30 FOOT LEVELS IN BRUSH AND BRUSH AND CREEK.

BUT THE GOOD THING IS, IS WE HAVE UPSTREAM GAUGES EVEN PAST CEDAR PARK TO BE ABLE TO MONITOR THAT.

IT'S COTTONWOOD CREEK THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY.

THAT, AND IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT TOPOGRAPHY THAN WHAT COTTONWOOD CREEK IS.

IT'S PROBABLY THERE'S PROBABLY A REASON THERE'S ONE OUT THERE, AND IT'S JUST ME BEING CONCERNED BECAUSE I'M NOT A FLOODPLAIN ENGINEER OR EXPERT.

YEAH, IT'S PROBABLY LIKE THE LENGTH OF IT OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE, I MEAN, DOES IT START NORTH OF CHANDLER? I MEAN, IS IT SOUTH OF CHANDLER WHERE IT STARTS? YEAH, I THINK IT'S LIKE CHANDLER AND 130 RIGHT AROUND CHANDLER AND 130.

RIGHT. AND THEN KIND OF THEN IT GOES WAY DOWN.

SO IT'S NOT VERY. AND THEN I DON'T TEND TO BRUSH CREEK.

SO OVERALL IT'S IT'S NOT VERY LONG. BUT WE KNOW THAT IN TOWN THAT PORTION OF IT IS SUSCEPTIBLE TO FLOODING FOR SURE.

YEAH. AND JUST EAST OF THAT SENSOR ON BRUSHY BRUSH CREEK ON OFF 973 AND 1660 IS WHERE ZIMMERMAN CREEK, BRUSHY CREEK, AND COTTONWOOD CREEK CONVERGE.

WHICH IS WHY YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO SEE HIGHER LEVELS AT THAT ONE COMPARATIVELY TO THE SENSOR UPSTREAM.

JUST JUST BRINGING IN WATER FLOW FROM RUSSIAN CREEK.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, I APPRECIATE THE GOOD CONVERSATION. LET'S GET BACK TO TALK.

YEAH, YEAH. CAN I CAN I COMPLETE MY MY. YES, PLEASE.

WELL, I'M NOT IN CHARGE OF THE MEETING. YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. SO ALL I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT THINGS LIKE WEATHER UNDERGROUND, THEY REQUIRE THERE'S A CITIZEN GROUP.

THERE ARE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF THESE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

I HAD A I HAD A MAP HERE. JUST THE JUST THE ONES THAT ARE IN THIS AREA.

SORRY. SO THERE'S THE ONES THAT ARE IN A LOCAL AREA HERE.

THIS IS ABOUT 6 OR 10, 12 COUNTIES. I HAVE ONE IN MY BACKYARD.

THE THING IS, THOUGH, IF IT'S WI-FI, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIFIC PROFESSIONAL STYLE DAVIS INSTRUMENT'S A GREAT ONE.

YOU'RE STARTING AT $500. YOU CAN GET ONE FOR $1,000.

POLES ACTUALLY COST MORE THAN THE STATIONS. IF YOU WANT TO GET THEM UP, YOU HAVE AT LEAST 15 TO 20FT TO GET INTO THE PROPER WIND THINGS.

BUT THESE ARE ONLINE. ANYONE CAN GO LOOK AT MY STATION.

AND SO I'M NOT AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS TO REPLACE THIS.

I'M JUST SAYING IN THE INTERIM IT'S I THINK IT'S A QUICK SOLUTION, RELATIVELY COST EFFECTIVE, WHERE YOU PUT A HALF A DOZEN OF THESE SOMEWHERE.

AND AGAIN, THE LOCATION OF THESE IS OUTSIDE IS MORE OF A FLOODPLAIN.

YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S PUT THESE, YOU KNOW, AND YOU MAY HAVE TO TALK TO SOME PROPERTY OWNERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT I'M SURE THERE'S MORE THAN ENOUGH PEOPLE.

THE BLISS RANCH, WHICH IS KIND OF NORTH NORTHEAST, THEY HAVE A STATION THAT'S ON ON WEATHER UNDERGROUND.

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SO BUT BUT ALSO THE THING IS, IS THAT IF BRUSHY CREEK GETS 30FT COTTON AND THERE'S NOTHING ON COTTONWOOD CREEK, IT'S STILL GOING TO BACKFILL. AND YOU KNOW THIS.

SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE CONCERNS AS WELL.

BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO ENTERTAIN A POSSIBLE INTERIM SOLUTION THAT CAN MEET WHAT YOU THINK IS BEST, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, BETTER THAN I. AND THEN WORKING WITH THE STRATEGIC LOCATION OF THAT IS GETTING SOMETHING COST EFFECTIVE THAT EVERYONE CAN LOOK AT.

BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME INTERNAL DISSEMINATION WITHIN THE CITY OR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WHO'S MONITORING THESE THINGS.

AND, AND YOU CAN SET THESE UP FOR ALARMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THEN HOW YOU PUSH THAT OUT. AGAIN THAT'S OUTSIDE MY REGIME.

BUT THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION. OKAY. IT'S REALLY BASED ON THAT WEATHER DATA, THAT SOLUTION TONS OF DATA, WHICH IS GREAT. AND WE AND WE HAVE MANY CONDUITS OF WEATHER INFORMATION COMING IN.

WHAT DIFFERENTIATES BETWEEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS THE IS THE ADDED NOTIFICATION COMMUNICATION PIECE.

RIGHT. THE SIREN. THE LIGHTS. RIGHT. AND THEN ALSO THE SOFTWARE BEHIND IT WHERE I COULD PUT YOU KNOW, THE THE BASEBALL ASSOCIATION COACHES, THE PEOPLE RENTING THESE CITY FACILITIES.

THEY CAN BE ADDED AS TEMPORARY USERS WHERE THEY CAN GET THAT INFORMATION, WHETHER OR NOT THEY MAY HAVE NOT SAW THE SIREN GO OFF.

BUT THEN WE HAVE ADDITIONAL KIND OF OVERSIGHT ON.

HEY, LIGHTNING IS HERE. OR A TORNADO WARNING IS HERE.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HAVING AN EVENT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO SEE RIGHT AWAY.

AND OF COURSE, WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM AS WELL.

BUT THIS GIVES US THE ABILITY TO DIAL IN ACTION TRIGGERS AND NOTIFICATION TRIGGERS BASED ON THE WEATHER DATA THAT WE HAVE LOTS OF DIFFERENT CONDUITS.

AND TO RECEIVE AND COMMUNICATE A MUCH MORE RAPIDLY.

WELL, WELL, THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING, IS THAT IT ACTUALLY PUTS THESE RIGHT AT THE POSITIONS THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW WHERE IT'S EVERY HALF MILE, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE DATA, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 40 STATIONS WITHIN, YOU KNOW, TEN COUNTIES OR, OR EVEN LESS THAN THAT, SIX COUNTIES. BUT HAVING WHERE WE KNOW WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE.

YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR CONCERNS ARE AND ACTUALLY PUT STATIONS UPSTREAM OF THAT AND IN THE WATERSHED.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RIGHT ON THE CREEK. IT CAN BE IN THE WATERSHED BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS UVALDE NOT UVALDE.

I'M SORRY. THE GUADALUPE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S A THAT'S A TRAGIC REMINDER OF WHAT THINGS CAN BE.

BUT EVERY 20 YEARS, WE LOSE 10% OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE.

EVERY 20 YEARS, IF THERE'S 200 CAMPERS, WE LOST 20.

WE HAD 1000 CAMPERS. WE LOST 200. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.

AND YOU CAN GO BACK IN PROBABLY NATIVE AMERICAN HISTORY.

THAT'S JUST WHERE THAT IS. FORTUNATELY, WE DON'T LIVE THAT WAY UNLESS IT'S OVER 1000 YEARS.

AND THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF PLANNING THAT'S BEYOND ALL OF OUR REGION.

BUT THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, AND I WANT TO LOOK INTO THAT, TOO. SO MAYBE WORK WITH YOU.

OKAY. AND SEE WHAT WHAT INFORMATION? I'VE VETTED QUITE A FEW STATIONS.

THANK YOU. AND TO YOUR POINT, I THINK THERE'S.

YOU HAD TO BE CAREFUL. IT'S LIKE INSURANCE. IF YOU USE A PIECE OF LUGGAGE ONCE, YOU DON'T. NOT EVERYBODY GOES OUT AND BUYS YOU NO INSURANCE FOR EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY FLY AND EVERYTHING. EVERY TIME THEY DO SOMETHING.

SO I THINK THERE'S ALSO THAT WE HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO BE CHEAP AND THEN AND THEN FIND OUT THAT WE COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING THAT SAVED SOMEBODY. BUT THEN YOU ALSO DON'T WANT TO SPEND BIG TIME AMOUNTS OF MONEY.

AND YOU GO, WHAT ARE WE GETTING OUT OF THIS? AND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS I'M HEARING IS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MONITOR THIS, WE CAN MONITOR THAT, WE CAN GET THESE PEOPLE IN BEFORE LONG.

IT'S, HEY, I NEED MORE HELP. I NEED MORE HELP.

I NEED MORE HELP BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ALL THIS STUFF WE'RE DOING, AND IT'S LIKE, YEAH, WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY DOING? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A RISK FOR THERE COULD BE A FIRE HERE, RIGHT? IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A GRASS FIRE. IT WON'T BE LIKE BASTROP. BUT WE COULD PREPARE FOR THAT AND WE COULD PREPARE FOR TORNADOES. AND YOU GO THROUGH AND YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, WHAT? YOU CAN'T PREPARE FOR EVERYTHING. AND SOME OF IT IS GOING TO BE GOD RELATED AND YOU JUST HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT.

YOU KNOW, LIKE, I'M NOT I'M NOT READY TO PREPARE FOR, SAY, COTTONWOOD CREEK OR BRUSH CREEK RISING 30FT.

THE ODDS OF THAT HAPPENING WOULD PROBABLY BE A 500 YEAR RAIN EVENT.

I UNDERSTAND IT HAPPENS SOMEWHERE ELSE. THERE'S A LOT OF MITIGATING THINGS.

BUT IF IF YOU'RE PLANNING FOR ALL THE 501,000 YEAR EVENTS WE'RE GOING TO BE BROKE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY, VERY SAFE. THAT'S WHY I DON'T HAVE A TORNADO SHELTER AT MY HOUSE, PRIMARILY BECAUSE I'VE WEIGHED THE RISKS AND I JUST DON'T GROW UP IN THE MIDWEST. I JUST DON'T SEE THAT BEING THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I GOT.

BUT OTHER PEOPLE I KNOW, THEY DIG THERE. THEY CAN DIG SOMETHING AND EAT THEIR GARAGE FLOOR AND PUT IN A STORM SHELTER, AND THAT'S GREAT. BUT SO IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING I'LL HAVE TO LET YOU ALL THINK ABOUT.

ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE'LL ADJOURN? 11:55 A.M.

ON JULY 26TH, SAME DAY. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.

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