* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER] [00:00:02] ALL RIGHT. SEVEN O'CLOCK. WE'LL CALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THURSDAY, AUGUST 7TH, 2025 TO ORDER. WE'LL START WITH ROLL CALL COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON PRESENT, COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. HERE. COUNCILMAN PORTERFIELD. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING HERE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. HERE. MAYOR SCHNEIDER HERE NEXT, A YOU RISE FROM INVOCATION WILL BE LED TONIGHT BY, UH, BOBBY PRUITT FROM HU BIBLE CHURCH. ST. PAUL WRITES IN ONE TIMOTHY CHAPTER TWO. I URGE YOU TO PRAY FOR ALL PEOPLE. ASK GOD TO HELP THEM INTERCEDE ON THEIR BEHALF AND GIVE THANKS FOR THEM. PRAY THIS WAY FOR KINGS AND FOR ALL WHO ARE IN AUTHORITY SO THAT WE CAN LIVE PEACEFUL AND QUIET LIVES MARKED BY GODLINESS AND DIGNITY. THIS IS GOOD AND PLEASES GOD, OUR SAVIOR, WHO WANTS EVERYONE TO BE SAVED AND TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH. LET'S PRAY. FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR OUR CITY AND, UH, ASK THAT YOU WOULD BLESS IT GOD, THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THE CITY OF HUDU, THE PEOPLE WHO YOU ARE BRINGING HERE, UH, THE OLD TIMERS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR GENERATIONS. UH, LORD, I PRAY THAT YOU'D BRING US TOGETHER AND BLEND US WELL TO BE, UH, SOMETHING FOR YOUR GLORY. GOD, I THANK YOU ESPECIALLY FOR THESE MEN AND WOMEN BEFORE US WHO SERVE US. UH, LORD, I PRAY THAT THEY WOULD RECOGNIZE THEIR STATUS AS SERVANTS OF GOD FOR THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE. AND LORD, MY PRAYER FOR THEM IS THAT YOU WOULD GUIDE THEM OR THAT YOU WOULD GRANT THEM THE WISDOM THAT THEY NEED TO LEAD US. LORD, YOU TELL US IN YOUR WORD THAT IF ANYONE LACKS WISDOM, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS ASK. AND LORD, I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM WISDOM AND INSIGHT AND CLARITY AND DISCERNMENT, UH, BEYOND THEIR ABILITY AND BEYOND THEIR YEARS. AND LORD, I ASK THAT YOU WOULD ALSO BLESS THEM. LORD, BLESS THESE MEN AND WOMEN WITH HEALTH, UH, LORD, UH, BLESS THEIR FAMILIES, UH, THEIR MARRIAGES, THEIR CHILDREN. GOD, I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD SHOW SPECIAL KINDNESS TO THEM BECAUSE OF CHRIST AND LORD, THAT THEY WOULD KNOW THAT, UH, THE GOOD THAT IS POURED OUT ON THEM IS FROM A GOD WHO LOVES THEM. AND, UH, LORD, I PRAY MOST OF ALL, LORD, THAT YOU WOULD SHOW THEM, UH, THAT YOU DO LOVE THEM. SHOW THEM THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED A WAY FOR THEM TO KNOW YOU IN A PERSONAL WAY, UH, BY THE GIFT OF YOUR SON ON THE CROSS. AND LORD, THAT THEY WOULD EMBRACE THAT MESSAGE AND LIVE FOR YOU AND FOR YOUR GLORY. AND LORD, WE KNOW, WE KNOW THAT IF THEY DO THAT, IF OUR CITY DOES THAT, IT WILL BE A BLESSING TO EVERYONE WHO COMES HERE. AND FOR GREATER AUSTIN AS WELL. WE PRAY THROUGH CHRIST OUR LORD. AMEN. AMEN. ME IN PLEDGE, PLEDGE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TWO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE TO BE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER ONE INVIS. NO, THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAPPEN. OKAY. ALRIGHT, NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME THAT YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, YOU HAVE CITY MANAGER COMMENTS. ARE YOU SKIPPING THAT? OH, SORRY. GOT EXCITED FOR THE CITIZEN COMMENTS. CITY MANAGER DIDN'T MEAN [5. CITY MANAGER COMMENTS] TO SKIP YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCIL, UH, CITIZENS A HUDDLE FOR THE RECORD. JAMES ER, CITY MANAGER. UM, THIS IS THE, UH, FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH. SO THIS IS THE TIME THAT WE GET TO INTRODUCE NEW EMPLOYEES, UH, IN THE, THAT ONBOARDED IN THE MONTH OF JULY. UH, WE HAD TWO EMPLOYEES, UH, THAT I'M GONNA INTRODUCE TO YOU TONIGHT. ONE OF THEM COULD NOT BE HERE, UH, SO I'M GONNA INTRODUCE HIM FIRST. SO, JOINING TEAM HUDU IS DYLAN THOMAS. UH, HIS NEW ROLE IS HE'S COMING INTO THE CITY AS A STREET AND DRAINAGE TECH ONE WITH A BACKGROUND IN PARKS AND STREET MAINTENANCE, SERVING WITH HARRIS COUNTY, DYLAN BRINGS FOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE TO THE HU TEAM. HE'S EXCITED TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE CITY AND LOOKS FORWARD TO EXPANDING HIS SKILLSET. AND THEN, UH, IF YOU WOULD JOIN ME IN WELCOMING TO TEAM HU MARTIN NUNEZ. MARTIN, IF YOU COME UP FRONT, WE WANNA WELCOME MARTIN TO HIS NEW ROLE AS STREET AND DRAINAGE TECH ONE WITH OVER TWO DEC. JUST STAND OVER HERE. SO, UH, YEAH, UH, WITH, UH, WITH OVER TWO DECADES OF SERVING IN WITH AUSTIN WATER AND TRAVIS COUNTY, MARTIN BRINGS A TOTAL OF 29 YEARS OF EXPERTISE TO THE CITY OF HUDU, UH, STREETS DEPARTMENT. UH, HE'S HAPPY TO BE A PART OF THE TEAM AND LOOKS FORWARD TO OPPORTUNITIES FOR GROWTH AND CONTRIBUTING TO THE, TO THE BETTERMENT OF OUR [00:05:01] COMMUNITY. SO, WELCOME MARTIN, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING TEAM HUDU AND, AND THANK YOU MS. NUNEZ, FOR BEING HERE TO SUPPORT YOUR HUSBAND. ALL RIGHT, UH, THAT BRINGS ME TO GENERAL COMMENTS. UM, WE HAVE A PLANNED BUDGET MEETING, UH, THURSDAY, AUGUST 14TH. BUT I DID NOTICE THAT, UH, SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE MEETING WAS SCHEDULED. SO, UH, TO BE DETERMINED IF WE WILL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO HOLD THAT OR NOT. WE'LL DECIDE THAT TONIGHT DURING THE BUDGET ITEM. UH, BUT GO AHEAD AND PUT IT ON YOUR CALENDAR AND WATCH FOR A NOTIFICATION. IF WE NEED TO CANCEL THAT MEETING, WE'LL PUT IT OUT IN THE PUBLIC. HU WATER CUSTOMERS. DON'T FORGET TO SIGN UP FOR YOUR WATER SMART PORTAL. UH, EVEN IF YOU PAY IN PERSON, WATER SMART HAS TOOLS THAT ALLOWS YOU TO LOG IN AND CHECK YOUR WATER USAGE, UH, LEAK ALERTS, THAT'S ALL LIVE DATA. SO IF YOU SET UP, UH, ALERTS FOR YOUR WATER, UH, TO, TO, LIKE, IF IT EXCEEDS A CERTAIN LEVEL, YOU CAN HAVE IT MESSAGE YOU TO SAY THAT THERE'S MIGHT BE A LEAK OR THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON, UH, THAT'S VERY VALUABLE, SAVES RESOURCES, BUT ALSO, UH, SAVES YOU MONEY AND A HEADACHE. SO, UH, ENCOURAGE YOU TO SIGN UP THERE. NEXT CITY. SEEKING APPLICANTS FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UH, FROM PARKS AND PLANNING TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. THIS OPPORTUNITY TO DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE LOCAL DECISION MAKING SHAPE HU'S FUTURE. SO WE'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO ONLINE AND APPLY AND PUT IN YOUR APPLICATION. UH, THE HU'S, UH, CIP TEAM WANTS TO INVITE THE GENERAL CONTRACTORS AND SUBCONTRACTORS TO CONSTRUCTION CAPITAL DELIVERY CON CONTRACTORS WORKSHOP, C-C-D-C-W. THAT'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, NOUNS IN THERE. CONSTRUCTION CAPITAL DELIVERY CONTRACTORS WORKSHOP ON AUGUST 28TH AT CITY HALL. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE FIRSTHAND UPDATES ON UPCOMING CAPITAL PROJECTS, GAIN INSIGHTS INTO OUR PROCUREMENT TIMELINES, BIDDING EXPECTATIONS, AND PREQUALIFICATION DETAILS. THE CITY AND CHAMBER WANNA ANNOUNCE THEY'RE PARTNERING WITH. WE ARE BLOOD FOR TWO COMMUNITY BLOOD DRIVES. UH, YOUR DONATION DIRECTLY HELPS CENTRAL TEXAS PATIENTS. DONATIONS WILL TAKE PLACE ON FRIDAY, AUGUST 22ND, HU AREA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, AND THURSDAY, AUGUST 28TH HERE IN, IN FRONT OF CITY HALL. UH, ALSO THE CIP TEAM, UH, WANTS TO REQUEST PUBLIC FEEDBACK ON THE LATEST TRANSPORTATION SCHEMATIC FOR LIMMER LOOP FROM EDGE SCHMIDT TO FM 1660. SO, UH, THAT DESIGN IS UP AND ONLINE AND AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO COMMENT ON. UH, COMMENTS ARE OPEN ONLINE AND WE'LL CLOSE ON AUGUST 31ST. AND THEN LASTLY, IT'S ALMOST FALL. SO REGISTRATION FOR FALL ADULT SPORTS LEAGUES IS NOW OPEN. UH, WHETHER YOU HAVE A TEAM OR YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A TEAM, UH, SOFTBALL, KICKBALL, CORN HOLE LEAGUES, UH, HAVE A SPOT FOR YOU. AND THEN ALL OF THE EVENTS THAT ARE GOING ON AND BEING SPONSORED BETWEEN PARKS AND LIBRARY AND OUR PARTNERS, YOU CAN FIND BY GOING TO THE QR CODE AND, UH, SIGNING UP FOR THE COMMUNITY CALENDAR. THE COMMUNITY CALENDAR IS, IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE MORE AND MORE OF A FIXTURE HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THE NONPROFITS WILL BE ABLE TO START PUTTING ITEMS ON THE COMMUNITY CALENDAR TOO. AND YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR NOTIFICATIONS TO BE EMAILED OR TEXTED, UH, WHENEVER SOMETHING MEETS A A QUALIFICATION OF SOMETHING YOU'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING. ALL RIGHT, MAYOR, COUNCIL, THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS. AND, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANKS, SIR. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. GOT EXCITED. NOW WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. [6. PUBLIC COMMENT] UH, WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THE LIGHT WILL START OFF GREEN. WHEN THERE'S 30 SECONDS LEFT, IT'LL GO TO YELLOW. AND WHEN YOUR TIME'S UP, UH, IT WILL, UH, OH. YEAH. WHEN, WHEN YOUR TIME'S UP, UH, IT'LL GO TO RED. SORRY. ALRIGHT, FIRST UP, WE HAVE NANETTE SELLS. HELLO, MY NAME'S NANETTE SELLS. I'M HERE BECAUSE I BOUGHT A HOME IN THE EMORY FARM SUBDIVISION THIS LAST YEAR, AND WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE CITY OF HUDU AND CHRISTIE BARNES, THE COMMUNITY CULTURE OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF HUDU, IS GOING TO SEE TO IT THAT WE HAVE SIGNS DOWN ALL OF OUR STREETS SAYING THAT YOU CAN ONLY PARK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET. MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS A CITY ORDINANCE? IF SO, WHERE CAN I FIND IT? HOW DO WE STOP THIS? BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN THERE A LONG, LONG TIME. IS IT GRANDFATHERED? UM, IF IT HAPPENS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IS EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IN HU GOING TO BE, UM, GIVEN THE SAME TREATMENT THAT WE'RE BEING GIVEN? BECAUSE HONESTLY, I THINK IT WILL BE A DISASTER. SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TO FIND OUT WHERE TO GO FROM HERE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH, IN PUBLIC COMMENT, [00:10:01] WE'RE NOT ABLE TO, I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. BUT THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. AND I WOULD LIKE FOR THE BOARD TO, TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT, THAT WE DON'T WANT IT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. OUR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION REACHED OUT TO THE CITY, AND FROM WHAT MRS. BARNES SAYS THIS IS HAPPENING, SHE WON'T TELL ME WHEN IT'S HAPPENING. SHE SAID IN OUR LAST MEETING, SHE SAID, DO YOU REALLY WANT ME TO ANSWER THAT? BUT YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THIS IS HAPPENING AND IF SO, WHEN IT'S HAPPENING AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO STOP IT. RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. IF IT'S OKAY, I MM-HMM . FOR, FOR THE RECORD, I CAN, I CAN GIVE FACTUAL INFORMATION DURING CITIZEN COMMENTS AND IT MAY BE USEFUL FOR ME TO DO THAT FOR THIS TOPIC. UM, SO IT'S NOT REALLY A BACK AND FORTH WHERE I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT I CAN JUST PROVIDE INFORMATION. THANK YOU. UM, I WILL SAY, UH, AND IT'S MS SELLS. IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. MS. SELLS, UM, ONE, UH, NOTHING IS IMMINENT. SO I CAN SAY THAT, UH, WE ARE LOOKING INTO DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS, UH, SUFFICIENT GRANDFATHERING, WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER OR NOT. THE ISSUE AT PLAY IS THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE, WHICH RESTRICTS, UH, PARKING, DEPENDING ON HOW WIDE ROADS ARE. SO THE FIRE TRUCKS CAN MAKE IT THROUGH ROADS IF CARS ARE PARKED ON BOTH SIDES. AND THAT IS WHAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION. AND THE FIRST RESPONSE, WHENEVER YOU SEE A VIOLA, A VIOLATION OF CODE, WHICH ISN'T ANYTHING Y'ALL HAVE DONE, IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT THE STREETS ARE, IS FOR US TO GO FIX THE VIOLATION OF CODE. SO THAT'S WHAT'S KIND OF WHERE YOU PROBABLY GOT STARTED ON THIS PROCESS. BUT SINCE THEN, WE'VE PAUSED AND WE'RE ASKING THE VERY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING, BECAUSE ONE, IF I, IF I AS THE CITY MANAGER DON'T HAVE TO DEPLOY RESOURCES TO GO RE STRIPE AND NO, YOU KNOW, NO PARKING EVERYWHERE, THEN I DON'T REALLY WANT TO. AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT NECESSARILY TO DO THAT EITHER. SO WE ARE LOOKING TO TRY TO DETERMINE ONE, IF IT, IF IT IS, IF IT DOESN'T MATTER, IF WE HAVE TO DO IT. AND IF WE HAVE TO DO IT, THEN WE WILL FIGURE OUT HOW AND COMMUNICATE AND EDUCATE AND ALL THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT. BUT MAYBE IT'S A CASE BY CASE BASIS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THE FIRE MARSHAL HAPPENS TO BE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, SO HE'S HERE LISTENING TOO. AND HE HAS A BIG PART IN PLAYING OF, OF, OF HELPING US IDENTIFY WHERE, UH, PROBLEM ROADS ARE, UM, THAT MAY NEED TO HAVE THAT ONE-SIDED, NO PARKING PUT IN PLACE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY HAVING ISSUES WITH THE FIRETRUCKS BEING ABLE TO GET THROUGH. SO THAT'S EFFECTIVELY WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH, AND WE ARE LOOKING TO TRY TO GET ANSWERS. SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO IT, UH, UNLESS, UNLESS THE LAW IS GONNA REQUIRE THAT WE DO IT. AND IF WE DO, THEN WE'LL BE COMMUNICATING THAT OUT WITH WHAT OUR PLAN IS. I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU'RE MOST WELCOME. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. THANKS SIR. NEXT WE HAVE CHIEF KERRWOOD. I SIGNED UP FOR ITEM 12.10, MY BAD. AND ACTUALLY THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT. ARREST HIM FOR OTHER, OTHER ITEMS. ALRIGHT, NEXT WE HAVE ITEM SEVEN, [7.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, and Area Government appointments. (Part 1 of 2)] ONE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS, REAPPOINTMENTS AND OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS, AND TAX INCREMENT, REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS, AND AREA GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS. YES. UM, WE HAVE, UM, INTERVIEWED, UH, A CANDIDATE FOR THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD. AND, UM, ALTHOUGH, UM, UM, WE, WE DID NOT MAKE ANY FORMAL RECOMMENDATIONS, STILL TRYING TO FOLLOW THESE PROTOCOLS BETTER, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, OR IF ANYONE WANTS TO, TO SPEAK ABOUT A, A CANDIDATE, UM, A MS. VERONICA, UH, MAXI FOR THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD. I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND HER APPOINTMENT. SECOND QUESTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON, ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS APPOINTMENT? ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL TO VOTE. MAYOR PRO, TIM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS 14:00 PM AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORT FIELD. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. QUESTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. UM, I, I HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT AND JUST REITERATE, UH, CITY MANAGERS, UH, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, IN PARKS, WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES AND, UH, ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES AND THREE ALTERNATES. UH, ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION. WE HAVE ONE VACANCY, I BELIEVE IN DEIB. WE HAVE ONE VACANCY IN PARKS. WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES, SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE IN THE CITY TO, TO MAKE AN APPLICATION FOR THAT. WE DO HAVE ONE APPLICANT. UH, NOW, UM, I WAS HOPING TO GET MAYBE A COUPLE MORE, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT, WHAT POSITION THEY ARE, BUT I'D LIKE TO, UM, CONVENE, UM, THE, [00:15:01] UM, THE, UH, BOARDS AND COMMISSION SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING, IF, IF NOT, UH, NEXT WEEK, UH, THEN, UH, THE FIRST, UH, UH, EARLY THE NEXT WEEK AFTER. BUT, UM, UM, BUT MOST OF THE BOARDS ARE FILLED. IT'S LOOKING GOOD, AND WE ARE REVIEWING LATER ON THE PROTOCOLS. SO I THINK THERE'S SOME PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT. SO, UM, UH, I, I, I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO HAVE THE INPUTS AND REALLY APPLY FOR THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSION POSITIONS. THANK YOU. THANKS. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE CANDIDATE'S FULL NAME. UM, SHE INTERVIEWED FOR DEIB AND IT WAS NIKKI. UM, WHAT'S, WHAT'S HER LAST NAME? REMEMBER? I CAN FIND IT REAL QUICK. I DON'T REMEMBER. SORRY. WILLIAMSON. WILLIAMSON. I'M SORRY. NIKKI. UH, SECOND. ALRIGHT, ANY, ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? YEAH, SO WHY ARE YOU NOMINATING SOMEBODY? IT'S NOT GOING THROUGH THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE. UH, SHE INTERVIEWED, AND TO BE QUITE FRANK, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UM, THERE'S A, A SPLIT THINKING ON, UH, MS. WILLIAMS. AND SO WE JUST HEARD WE HAVE AN OPENING AND, UH, WELL, I GUESS THAT'S WHY. OKAY. FROM WHAT I RECALL, AND MAYBE THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE CAN CLARIFY THIS, WAS THIS, FROM WHAT I RECALL, UM, THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE CHOSE NOT TO PUT THIS NAME FORTH WHEN THEY COULD HAVE LAST MEETING. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. I WOULD, MAY I ASK IF THERE TO, UH, CONFIRM THAT THERE IS ONE VACANCY IN THE DEIB BOARD? YOUR CHAIR'S HERE? YES. I THINK SHE NODDED. YES. SHE, SHE HAS NODDED. YES. SO THERE IS OFFICIALLY A ONE VACANCY IN THE DEIB. ALRIGHT, SO SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP, UM, I KNOW THIS MEETING, WE'RE NOT ASKING HOW PEOPLE VOTED AND STUFF IN THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE, BUT, UM, SO I, I GOT TO KNOW NIKKI PROBABLY, I'M GONNA SAY WHAT, TWO YEARS AGO, THREE YEARS AGO, UM, NIKKI CAME TO ME WITH A CONCERN ABOUT, SHE FELT LIKE SHE WAS BEING PROFILED BY THE HUDDLE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND SO WE MET, I LISTENED TO HER CONCERNS AND I SAID, YOU, YOU NEED TO MEET CHIEF YARBOROUGH BECAUSE, UM, I CAN UNDERSTAND, I FELT LIKE I WAS PROFILED BY CERTAIN CHIEFS IN THE PAST, AND I'M LIKE, YOU NEED TO MEET YARBOROUGH, BECAUSE HE'S COMPLETELY CHANGED. AND HIM AND STUART COMPLETELY CHANGED IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND SO WE MET AT, I BELIEVE IT WAS STARBUCKS, AND WE GOT TO TALKING AND THEN, UM, SHE MET YARBOROUGH AND FELT BETTER. BUT THEN, UM, STILL KINDA RESPECT THE POLICE. WE SUGGEST YOU GO ON A RIDE ALONG. SO I ACTUALLY WENT ON A RIDE ALONG THE SAME NIGHT, DIFFERENT CARS TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, HEY, THESE, THESE GUYS AREN'T SO BAD. AND SO THEN I GOT TO KIND OF NIKKI AND THEN ABOUT, UM, I'M GONNA SAY THREE MONTHS AGO MAYBE I HAD MADE A, UM, A PUBLIC DEAL ABOUT THE DIB AND MY SUPPORT FOR IT. AND NIKKI REACHED OUT TO ME AND SHE SAID SHE WANTED TO MEET. AND SHE SAID THAT SHE DID NOT SUPPORT DEIB. AND SHE PROCEEDED TO TELL ME WHY. AND WE TALKED TO IT AS A VERY RESPECTFUL CONVERSATION. UM, SHE DIDN'T COME ACROSS AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN QUITE HONESTLY, IT'S PROBABLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 30 AND 40% OF THE POPULATION HAS HER SAME VIEWS. AND SO I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK YOU, YOU SHOULD APPLY FOR THE, THE DEIB COMMISSION. UM, AND MY REASON FOR THAT WAS IS BECAUSE WE SAY WE'RE A COMMISSION OF DIVERSITY, INCLUSION, EQUITY, AND BELONGING. AND SO IN TALKING TO HER, IT FELT LIKE HER INTERVIEW DIDN'T GO SO WELL BECAUSE MAYBE SHE DOESN'T SHARE THE SAME VIEWS AS EVERYBODY BECAUSE SHE'S MAYBE NOT A BIG FAN OF DEIB, BUT IN MY RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE HER JOIN WAS BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA BE INCLUSIVE OF THE ENTIRE CITY WITH 45,000 PEOPLE, WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE HONESTLY THAT THERE MAY BE A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T AGREE WITH DEIB. AND THE BEST WAY I CAN SEE TO DO THAT IS TO GET SOMEONE WHO HAS THE ATTACKED AND THE ABILITY TO TALK RESPECTFULLY ABOUT DIFFERENCES AND TO SHARE THEIR CONCERNS. AND MY HOPE IS THAT BY DOING THIS, ASSUMING SHE GETS PICKED ON, UH, GETS PUT ON IS THAT NIKKI WILL LEARN WHAT HOPEFULLY 30 OR 40% OF OTHER PEOPLE WILL LEARN, WHICH IS HOW, HOW OTHER PEOPLE'S VIEWPOINTS, HOW DO YOU DISAGREE, BUT STILL RESPECT AND STILL CARE. AND THEN THERE'S A GROUP OF PEOPLE ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH EXACTLY HOW THEY FEEL, YOU'RE PAINTED AS A FILL IN THE BLANK. AND SO I THINK, HONESTLY, IN ORDER FOR US TO HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT'S BELONGING, WE HAVE TO BELONG WITH ALL IDEAS [00:20:01] AND ALL RELIGIONS AND ALL RACES AND ALL SEXUALITIES. I THINK WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB EXCEPT FOR WHEN IT COMES TO THE, MAYBE THE IDEOLOGY. AND SO THAT'S WHY, UM, I THINK SHE'S PUTTING HERSELF OUT THERE BECAUSE SHE'S LITERALLY VOLUNTEERING FOR A BOARD. SHE'S NOT EXACTLY IN FAVOR OF. BUT MY HOPE IS THAT IN SIX MONTHS, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT NIKKI REPRESENT IN SOCIETY, MAYBE SHE CAN COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I'VE LEARNED A FEW THINGS AND MAYBE THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, THAT NIKKI WILL COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T NECESSARILY BELIEVE IN WHATEVER THE BLANK IS, THEY'RE NOT THAT BAD OF PEOPLE. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT REASONS. IT COULD BE SPIRITUAL, IT COULD BE HOW THEY'RE BROUGHT UP. AND SO I THINK IT'S A WAY FOR US TO GET ALONG, UM, BETTER IF IT WAS SOMEONE WHO HAD MAYBE NOT ATTACKED. AND, UM, I'D SAY LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY IT, SOFTNESS THAT NIKKI SPEAKS, I, I WOULDN'T BE MAKING THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT TRYING TO BLOW THIS UP. WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS, UM, HELP MAKE THE, MAKE THE TOUGH, TOUGH DECISIONS EASIER. SO I APPRECIATE YOU FOR, UM, UM, GETTING THAT CONVERSATION STARTED. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHY, UM, YEAH. KIND OF WHY, UM, WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING. YEAH. I WOULD, I, I'D PROBABLY, UH, ECHO SOME OF THAT SENTIMENT, MOST OF THAT SENTIMENT. UM, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT NIKKI WAS A STRONG CANDIDATE. UM, I DO, I DO BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA BE INCLUSIVE, THEN WE HAVE TO INCLUDE DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT. AND I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU WANT TO PUT US INTO SIDES, HOWEVER, WHATEVER SIDE YOU MAY BE ON OR THINK SOMEONE ELSE IS ON, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LEARN FROM EACH OTHER AND HAVE THOSE CIVIL, UM, LOVING CONVERSATIONS. AND I THINK NIKKI, UM, I THINK SHE WOULD, SHE WOULD FILL A GOOD ROLE FOR THAT. UM, I GUESS NEWLY APPOINTED, UH, CHAIR FOR THE BOARD AND COMMISSION SUBCOMMITTEE. UM, WE'RE GOING THROUGH A CITY COUNCIL PROTOCOL REVIEW, IN FACT LATER TONIGHT. AND A LOT OF THIS IS COVERED IN THE PROTOCOLS. AND AT THIS TIME, UM, THE, ONCE THE APPLICANTS AND ANYONE JUMP IN AND TELL ME IF I'M WRONG HERE. UM, BUT THE APPLICANTS AS COLLECTED BY THE CITY SECRETARY, UM, THE LIST OF APPLICANTS AND VACANCIES WILL BE SENT TO THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE FOR CONSIDERATION. UM, SO WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND, AND, UH, AND, AND, AND COUNCILMAN GORDON, COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR SNYDER AND COUNCILMAN PORTERVILLE IS I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE QUALITY OF CANDIDATES EXCELLENT CANDIDATE. I MET WITH HER, UH, SHE WOULD DO GREAT REALLY IN A LOT OF, A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY AS A VOLUNTEER OR OR BEYOND THAT. UM, BUT I'M JUST QUESTIONING PROTOCOL AND, AND THE, THE PROCESS HERE, SO I DON'T KNOW, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT COVERED, IS THAT IF ONCE A A, UM, A, UH, THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE HAS MADE A CONSIDERATION AND FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY DID NOT MAKE, UM, A MOTION AT THAT TIME, DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T OCCUR IN THE FUTURE. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS DEFER, UM, A DECISION ON FILLING ANY BOARDS OR COMMISSION UNTIL WE GET THROUGH THIS NEW PROTOCOL. UM, WHICH IS, UH, IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE IS, UH, IT'S THE ROLES, UM, UH, ONE OVERALL OVERVIEW OF ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND, UH, AND F IS ABOUT THIS PROCESS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. A LOT OF THIS IS, IS, UH, THE PROPOSAL IS, IS LINED OUT, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO, UM, ON THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION FOR THIS PROTOCOL. SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE DEFER ANY, ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS UNTIL WE CAN KIND OF REVIEW THIS PROCESS. UM, THE THING WITH THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD, UM, THIS PERSON PUT IN THEIR APPLICATION, UM, A WHILE BACK, UM, I THINK IT WAS ON APRIL 15TH, AND I THINK THERE MAY HAVE BEEN AN INTERVIEW OR AN OVERSIGHT. SO, UM, AND IN WORK AND, AND DISCUSSING WITH THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD CHAIR, WE MADE A DECISION TO RECOMMEND THIS INDIVIDUAL FOR TONIGHT. BUT MY RECOMMENDATION IS FOR ANYTHING ELSE GOING FORWARD IS LET'S GET THROUGH THE PROTOCOLS THAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS TONIGHT AND THEN MOVE FROM THERE. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT THOUGHT. THE ONLY REASON I DISAGREE IS WE DID JUST, WE DID JUST DO IT FOR THE LIBRARY BOARD. AND, UM, YEAH, SO MY, I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS IS OUTSIDE OF PROCESS. WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE PROCESS. UM, THERE WAS ENOUGH, UM, PAUSE IN LAST MEETING FROM THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE TO NOT NOMINATE THIS INDIVIDUAL. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW NIKKI, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHO SHE IS AND, AND I'M SURE SHE'S A NICE PERSON. UM, BUT THERE WAS AT LEAST ENOUGH OF PAUSE AMONG THE MAJORITY OF THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE TO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE PUTTING HER NAME FORTH AT THAT TIME. UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NOTHING'S CHANGED SINCE THEN. UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE OTHER, THE FOURTH PERSON, UM, WHO'S IN THE, WHO WAS IN THE INTERVIEW AND WHO WAS [00:25:01] PART OF THE INTERVIEW IS THE CHAIR OF THE DEIB. UM, WE HAVEN'T HEARD, YOU KNOW, HER THOUGHTS AND GIVEN HER AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO CIRCLE BACK TO SAY, YOU KNOW, YES, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THIS NOW, OR NO, I'M NOT. UM, SO AGAIN, I, A LOT OF IT WITH MY CONCERN IS, IS A LOT OF WHAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS HAS SAID, IT'S, IT'S IT'S PROCESS. UM, I LIKE HIS THOUGHT OF, YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T WE JUST DELAY THIS? AND, YOU KNOW, IF THE PROTOCOL GETS CHANGED AND IT'S DONE A DIFFERENT WAY, THEN WE CAN DO IT A DIFFERENT WAY. BUT, UM, AS IT STANDS NOW, THIS IS, THIS IS, UM, COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF OUR PROTOCOL. UM, SO AT A MINIMUM, I WOULD ASK THAT WE DELAY THIS VOTE UNTIL AFTER WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON THE PROTOCOLS TO SEE IF WE'RE GONNA CHANGE IT OR NOT. UM, BUT, AND IF WE DON'T, THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ALLOW HER AN OPPORTUNITY TO RE-INTERVIEW AND, AND SEE IF ANY CONCERNS CAN BE RESOLVED THAT WAY. SO THAT, THAT'D BE MY RECOMMENDATION. OTHERWISE, IF WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA FORCE A VOTE NOW, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA BE A NO, JUST ON THAT. HOLD ON. YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS. UM, IT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF PROTOCOL TO HAVE THE, UM, BOARD THE COMMISSION CHAIRS SPEAK ALSO. SO I THINK IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE OF SOME DOING SOMETHING. 'CAUSE WE'RE GOING OUTSIDE OF PROTOCOLS, BUT ALSO YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS OUTSIDE OF PROTOCOLS. AND I THINK PART OF THE REASON WE HAVE THEIR PROTOCOL DISCUSSION IS THERE'S BEEN THIS THING TO WHERE THE THREE PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE TO ALL AGREE ON A PERSON, OTHERWISE THEY DON'T GET, AND AGAIN, FOR ME, UM, I HOPE WE HAVE MORE INSTANCES COMING UP WHERE THREE PEOPLE DON'T AGREE BECAUSE IT'S THAT COLLECTIVE THOUGHT THAT'S ALWAYS THE SAME THAT MAYBE CAUSE US TO BE ONE WAY. I THINK WE NEED A DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT AND NOT TO DO PUNS HERE, BUT I MEAN LITERALLY THE, THE NAME OF THE COMMISSION, DIVERSITY, EQUITY, INCLUSION AND BELONGING. AND I MEAN, UNLESS YOU GUYS WANNA SAY WHY YOU DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH HER, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S BECAUSE SHE'S NOT A BIG FAN OF CERTAIN THINGS WITH DEI AND CAN'T BE A-D-E-I-B BELONGING COMMISSION IF YOU ONLY HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE YOUR SAME THOUGHTS. AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT PROTOCOLS ARE GONNA FIX THIS, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU CAN MAKE THE PROTOCOLS HOWEVER YOU WANT, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA CONVINCE NIKKI TO THINK DIFFERENTLY. AND WE'RE NOT GONNA CONVINCE, UM, PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL THAT DISAGREE WITH HER VIEWPOINT FROM CHANGE IN THEIR MIND. UM, WE JUST NEED TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW, ARE WE OKAY WITH DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT? UM, EVEN IF IT SOMETIMES MAKES US UNCOMFORTABLE, OR ARE WE LOOKING FOR CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS? AND I THINK THAT'LL ACTUALLY BE HELPFUL FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE APPLYING. UM, BUT ANYWAY, SO I, I THINK DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT IS A GREAT THING. UM, THE CONCERN I HAVE IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OBJECTIONS ARE, AND I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN I'M WITH YOU 75% OF THE TIME AND 25% OF IT I, I JUST CAN'T GET ON BOARD WITH, OR I JUST THINK THE WHOLE THING IS, IS, YOU KNOW, NOT WORTH DOING. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE, WHERE ANYBODY, WHERE THIS PERSON STANDS ON THIS, IF THEY'RE AGAINST IT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE AGAINST AND WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE TO WHEN IT COMES TO WORKING WITH THE REST OF THE BOARD. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE, IS THAT I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. AND I WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR FROM HER HARD TIME? I WOULD LOVE TO, NIKKI, DO YOU MIND TALKING TO US? AND I'D ALSO WELCOME ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT INTERVIEWED HER, IF THERE'S CONCERNS THAT THEY WANNA SHARE THEM AS WELL, I THINK THAT'D BE VERY BENEFICIAL. GOOD EVENING. UM, I'M THE NIKKI THAT EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT. . UM, SO, UM, WHEN I WENT INTO MY INTERVIEW, UM, I DID SAY THAT I RESPECT EVERYBODY, UM, BECAUSE I DO EVERYBODY, UM, WE'RE HUMANS, SO, UM, WE DESERVE, YOU KNOW, DECENCY TO, TO HAVE RESPECT. UM, BUT WHAT I DID DO DISAGREE WITH, AND I, I SAID THAT IF SOMETHING GOES AGAINST MY BELIEFS, MY VALUES AND MY MORALS, I WILL RESPECTFULLY DECLINE TO PARTICIPATE. AND I WAS ASKED, WHICH, WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO, AND I SAID, LGBQ, AND I MEANT LIKE THE CELEBRATION OF PRIDE AND ALL THAT. NOW IF THEY NEED CLOTHING, I'M YOUR PERSON, THEY NEED SOMEONE TO TALK TO. I'M YOUR PERSON. BUT MAYBE THE BOARD FEELS LIKE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, UM, EXPERIENCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT I AM A VETERAN AND, UM, I DO PARTICIPATE WITH THEDER VFW. UM, I'M ALSO IN HEALTHCARE, AND SO I LOVE ALL PEOPLE. I MAY NOT AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I KNOW HOW TO TREAT YOU WITH RESPECT. AND NIKKI, IF I COULD SAY, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, YOUR PARENTS ARE MINISTERS, MINISTERS, AND SOME OF THIS IS SOMEWHAT, I GUESS IN A WAY RELIGIOUS, UM, BELIEFS. YES, YES. AND LIKE I SAID, I WOULD TREAT THEM WITH THE UTMOST [00:30:01] RESPECT. I JUST WON'T CELEBRATE WHAT THEY CELEBRATE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NOW, IF YOU COULD STAY, I, I THINK SOME OF US ARE GONNA HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU NOW THAT THE MAYOR'S OPENED UP THIS DOOR. I THINK WE'RE GONNA , SORRY TO PUT YOU IN THIS SPOT, . IT'S OKAY. THAT'S NEVER THE INTENTION, THIS, THIS PROCESS. UM, AND SO, UM, I ALSO HAVE STRONG RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS. UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE AND MY UNDERSTANDING, THE DEIB COMMISSION WAS NEVER SET UP TO, UM, FORCE ANYONE TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST THEIR CONSCIENCE. UM, BUT ALSO THE DEIB COMMISSION IS, IS ALSO TASKED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY GROUP FEELS WELCOMED WITHIN THE CITY OF HUDU, INCLUDING THE L-G-B-T-Q COMMUNITY. UM, THAT'S ONE OF THEIR, THEIR, UM, MISSIONS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE TASKED TO DO THAT WE, UH, READ PROCLAMATIONS, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY ARE RECOGNIZED AND THAT THEY ARE WELCOME IN OUR COMMUNITY. NOT EVERYONE MAY, UM, AGREE WITH THEIR LIFESTYLE, BUT WE, BUT WE STILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UM, WE ACKNOWLEDGE, YOU KNOW, THEIR RIGHTS AS FAR AS HUMAN BEINGS, LIKE YOU SAID, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, UM, YOU KNOW, I I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WE AS A CITY OR WE AS A, AS A COMMISSION WOULD REQUIRE YOU TO DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE AGAINST YOUR MORALS. AND YET I THINK WE ALSO WANT A COMMISSION WHO IS, IS OPEN ENOUGH AND WILLING ENOUGH TO, TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH I, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY MAY DISAGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SPECIFICS OF YOUR PARTICULAR LIFESTYLE OR WHATEVER, I'M STILL GONNA BE SUPPORTIVE. I'M STILL GONNA GONNA PARTICIPATE IN IN THE PROCESS, I'M GONNA PARTICIPATE IN THINGS. AND MAYBE THAT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT MAYBE THAT'S THE REASON WHY SOME OF THE, OF THE, THE PAUSE WAS THERE, IS THAT IF NOT ALL THE COMMISSION IS ON BOARD WITH EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE DOING, UM, THEY DON'T WANT IT TO BE A DISRUPTION POSSIBLY. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, KIND OF WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR, HOW WOULD YOU APPROACH IT IN IN THAT VEIN? I WOULD, UM, GO TO THE BOARD AND RESPECTFULLY DECLINE TO, YOU KNOW, BE A PART OF THAT PART, LIKE I SAID, UM, BECAUSE TO ME, UM, THEIR LIFESTYLE IS A CHOICE, RIGHT? UM, JUST LIKE RELIGION IS A CHOICE, BUT, UM, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S OUT THERE. UM, ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, ANY PART OF THAT, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY DECLINE BECAUSE OF HOW I FEEL AND MY VALUES. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I CAN'T STILL BE THEIR FRIEND. IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I CAN'T STILL BE AN EAR FOR THEM OR IF THEY NEED SOMETHING THAT I CAN'T BE FOR THEM. I'M JUST SAYING JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT PART. EVEN IF THERE'S A PROCLAMATION AND GOOD IN GOOD STANDING AND IN MY BELIEFS, I CAN'T STAND UP HERE AND SAY, I AGREE BECAUSE I WOULD BE GOING AGAINST, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE FAKING AND MY HEART WOULDN'T BE IN IT. BUT THE THING THAT I THINK ABOUT IS ALL OF YOU GUYS ARE FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . ALL OF YOU DON'T AGREE ON EVERYTHING, RIGHT? BUT YOU, HERE YOU ARE COMING TOGETHER TO TRY TO MAKE THE CITY BETTER. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO VOTE ME IN TONIGHT, BUT TO RECONSIDER MAYBE IN THE FUTURE IF THERE IS, YOU KNOW, SPACE FOR ME BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT I CAN HELP, UM, MAKE AN IMPACT ON SOMEBODY. AND THAT'S ALL I CARE ABOUT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S, I APPRECIATE YOUR HONESTY AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO, TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION. THERE'S DEFINITELY A SPACE FOR YOU HERE. THANK YOU. GO , UNLESS ANYONE ELSE HAD A QUESTION. YEAH, I'M, I'M GOOD. I MEAN, NICK, I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT, NIKKI, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT DON'T STAND UP HERE DURING CERTAIN PROCLAMATIONS. SO YOU NOT STANDING WITH D-I-D-E-I-B DURING A PROCLAMATION DOES NOT BOTHER ME WHATSOEVER. WE STILL ALL HAVE A PERSONAL CHOICE, AND I THINK THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF IT. WE ALL HAVE THE PERSONAL CHOICE, AND IF YOU RESPECT THAT PERSONAL CHOICE, THEN WHAT'S THE ISSUE? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT. WE HAVEN'T EVER, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, NOT WANT TO STAND WITH THE REST OF THE COUNCIL FOR CERTAIN THINGS. WE HAVEN'T EVER MADE A ISSUE OUT OF IT. WE HAVEN'T. WE'VE JUST RES RESPECTED THEIR DECISION AND, AND THAT'S HER DECISION. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, SO WAS THE DECISION NOT TO PUT ME THROUGH BASED ON THAT, OR, UM, IS IT BASED ON LACK OF EXPERIENCE? LACK, LACK, LACK, LACK? UM, I'LL, I'LL SPEAK FOR ME SINCE I WAS THE, UH, THE CHAIR AT THE TIME. SO FOR ME, UM, IT WAS A, A DECISION, UM, AT THE TIME THAT WE WANTED TO BASICALLY INTERVIEW EVERYONE THAT WAS WILLING TO INTERVIEW FOR THE POSITIONS. WE HAD MULTIPLE POSITIONS. I THINK WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO OPENINGS, UM, ON DEIB IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. AND SO AT THE TIME IT WAS JUST TO WAIT. UM, WE'VE TRIED TO GET INTERVIEWS NOW, WE'VE, UH, SINCE, UH, CHANGED CHAIRS. UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, MORRIS IS NOW THE CHAIR. AND SO HE [00:35:01] AND I HAVE WORKED TOGETHER AND WE'RE STILL KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET THINGS FIGURED OUT AS, AS HE STATED TONIGHT. SO, UH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A YEAR LONG LEARNING CURVE FOR ME. BUT, UM, UH, SO THAT WAS REALLY THE, THE REASON THAT WAS IN, IN, FROM MY STANDPOINT, THAT I WAS WILLING TO WAIT LAST TIME. NOW WE HAVE, WE'VE REACHED OUT TO PEOPLE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET INTERVIEWS AND IT, AND IT'S TOUGH. IT'S TOUGH TO GET, YOU KNOW, SCHEDULES ALIGNED. UM, FOR ME, YOU KNOW, I TOLD YOU, FOR ME, I LIKED YOU FROM THE BEGINNING BASED ON WHAT I HEARD. I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERYONE AGREED WITH ME, BUT IT WASN'T A, A MATTER THAT YOU WEREN'T QUALIFIED. FOR ME, IT WAS A OKAY, I'M WILLING TO WAIT AND SEE HOW WE ARE, BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE WILLING PEOPLE, WE HAVE OPENINGS AND WE HAVE WILLING PEOPLE. UM, AND I THINK, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO TAKE ACTION. UM, MY MY LAST STATEMENT WOULD BE IF I, UM, IF, IF I, I DON'T, I DON'T STANDING UP HERE RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO CHANGE YOUR MIND. UM, BUT, UM, I KNOW THAT, UM, THERE IS A LITTLE CHURCH SONG THAT'S RIGHT IN YOUR CORNER WHERE YOU ARE. AND SO EVEN IF I'M NOT CHOSEN TONIGHT, I STILL WILL DECIDE TO MAKE SURE THAT I, UM, HELP SOMEONE IN MY COMMUNITY, UM, WHERE I WORK AT, UM, ALONG THE WAY. SO THAT WAY SOMEONE FEELS LIKE THEY'RE STILL WANTED REGARDLESS OF THEIR BACKGROUND. BUT I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY, UM, TONIGHT. THANK YOU MAYOR FOR, UM, THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO ALL OF YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. SO, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, LAST TIME THERE WERE, THERE WAS ANOTHER CANDIDATE THAT HADN'T BEEN INTERVIEWED YET, AND YOU WERE TRYING TO GET THEM INTERVIEWED. IS THAT RIGHT? IS THERE ANOTHER CANDIDATE THAT'S POTENTIALLY COULD BE APPOINTED? AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I REMEMBERED THAT THERE WERE, I BELIEVE, AGAIN, I I'M COMING UP TO SPEED ON THIS NEO GOV. CORRECT. THERE'S SOME ISSUES ON THE NEO GOV THAT SOME OF THIS IS NOT UPDATED, WE CAN'T UPDATE IT. I MEAN, I'M STILL ON HERE FOR DEIB, SO, SO THERE'S STILL ONE, POTENTIALLY ONE MORE CANDIDATE THAT HASN'T BEEN INTERVIEWED THAT COULD POTENTIALLY, POSSIBLY OKAY. POSSIBLY. THERE, THERE'S ONE THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS, THAT APPLIED ON JUNE 1ST. UM, I DON'T KNOW, I'D DEFER TO IT WAS JUNE 1ST OF THIS YEAR. THIS YEAR, YEAH. THERE, SO THERE'S ONE ON THERE THAT, THAT, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT GOT PUT ON THERE, BUT THERE WAS ONE THAT, UH, WITHDREW. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE PERSON OR NOT. MAYBE THAT'S THE PERSON. I, I, I KNOW THAT THE PERSON, UM, THE PERSON THAT WAS ASKED, WE WERE ASKED BY THE CHAIR TO REINTERVIEW THE PERSON. THEY WERE RIGHT, THEY WERE INTERVIEWED IN 24, I BELIEVE. MM-HMM. AND I, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ENOUGH OPENINGS, SO THEY JUST SAID, HEY, THANK YOU. WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WHOEVER WE PICKED. RIGHT? UM, AND SO I, IT WAS ASKED THAT WE REINTERVIEWED THAT PERSON AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN INTERVIEWED REINTERVIEWED. CORRECT. OKAY. CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. THAT WAS A CASE WHERE IN 24 WE HAD A, WE FELT WE HAD CANDIDATES THAT WE WOULD'VE PICKED ALL OF THEM IF THERE WERE ENOUGH OPENINGS, BUT JUST DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH OPENINGS. YEAH. YEAH. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE AT LEAST THERE'S AT LEAST ONE THAT IS A POTENTIAL. OKAY. OKAY. AND TO ADD MORE CONTEXT, THERE WAS ANOTHER PERSON THAT WE INTERVIEWED, EXCUSE ME, BUT THEY WERE APPOINTED LAST TIME. NO, NO, NO. WE, NO, WE INTERVIEWED SOMEONE FOR DIB AS WELL. RIGHT. SOME, SOMEONE ELSE. SO IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT IT IN EVAN'S WORDS, WE HAD TWO WILLING PARTICIPANTS AND TWO OPENINGS. WE HAD NOT INTERVIEWED, RE-INTERVIEWED THE THIRD PERSON THAT THE CHAIR ASKED US IF WE COULD REIN REINTERVIEW THAT PERSON. YEAH. I, I WAS, YEAH, I WAS MISTAKEN. ACTUALLY, IT WAS A SEVENTH JULY 2ND AND THE SIXTH AND JUNE 23RD. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE OPEN. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN INTERVIEWED OR NOT. WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M, I'M GONNA GET WITH EVERY, I'M GETTING WITH EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD OR BOARDS AND COMMISSION HEAD AND MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE THE VACANCIES THAT ARE LISTED ON THE CITY WEBSITE, I DON'T THINK ARE ACCURATE. UM, SO, SO I'M GONNA JUST MEET WITH 'EM, MAKE SURE WHAT ALL THE VACANCIES ARE, GET THAT THAT TABLE UPDATED THAT I THINK, UM, COUNCILMAN GORDON AND COUNCILMAN PORTERFIELD WORKED ON A SPREADSHEET, GET THAT UPDATED, JUST TAKE A SCREENSHOT OR ONE PAGE AND GET THAT OVER TO THE CITY. IT'S NOT THE, IT'S, THE THING ABOUT THE WEBSITE TO ME IS, IS LIKE A MARKETING THING. WE NEED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S OPEN AND WHAT'S VACANT, AND SO THAT WE CAN ENCOURAGE THEM TO, TO, TO, UH, APPLY. UM, AND SO I'M GONNA BE TAKING ON THAT FOR, UH, FIRST OF NEXT WEEK AND GET THAT DONE. UM, THE OTHER THING THAT WAS, UM, KIND OF BACK TO WHAT MAYOR WAS SAYING, THE, THE ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT WE DID APPROVE FOR THE, UH, LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD TONIGHT, HER, UM, APPLICATION WAS MARCH 27TH. AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME MIX UP IN GETTING HER SCHEDULED. THERE WAS SOME MEETINGS SCHEDULED, AND THEN THEY DIDN'T, UH, UH, INTERVIEWS SCHEDULED. I MAY NOT, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAPPEN. SO WE JUST THOUGHT IT WAS TRYING TO GET HER UP TO SPEED. UH, THE, THE, UH, LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD CHAIR WAS, UH, THOUGHT THIS WAS A STRONG CANDIDATE. I THINK I CAN SHARE THAT. AND, UM, I KNEW HER PERSONALLY, [00:40:02] ALTHOUGH NOT UNTIL IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS WHEN SHE'S BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CITY MORE. SO THAT'S WHY I KIND OF, I WANTED TO MOVE THAT FORWARD, BUT ALSO KIND OF ON THE PROTOCOLS. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS, AND THAT COUNCILMAN THORNTON JUST BROUGHT UP IS I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WHOLE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE INFORMATION. UM, SO LIKE YOU SAID, HE DOESN'T KNOW WHY. WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE CONCERN? WAS THERE ANY CONCERNS FROM THE CHAIR? WAS THERE ANY CONCERNS FROM JUST ONE INDIVIDUAL MEMBER? WAS THERE SOME CONSENSUS? I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S IN THIS CASE AT ALL. I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK IF THE, IF THE PROTOCOL IS GONNA ADDRESS THE FACT THAT WE GET ALL THE INFORMATION OUT TO ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHETHER THERE'S A SUBCOMMITTEE OR NOT, THEN WE CAN MAKE A BETTER DECISION WHEN WE'RE MAKING, WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE MAKING THE MOTIONS. AND GOING FROM THERE, AGAIN, DEFERRING BACK TO THE PROTOCOLS AND TO PROVIDE MORE CLARIFICATION ON VERONICA MAXEY, SHE WAS INTERVIEWED LAST YEAR. SHE WAS ANOTHER CASE OF, WE HAD MORE APPLICANTS THAN WE HAD OPENINGS. OKAY. RIGHT. AND SO SHE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT SAID, HEY, WE'D APPOINT YOU IF WE HAD AN OPENING, BUT YOU DIDN'T MAKE THIS CUT. AND, YOU KNOW, STAY TUNED A LITTLE. THERE'S ANOTHER OPENING OUTTA SIDEWAYS. YEAH. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. PLEASE CALL TO VOTE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR SEVEN? ONE? ALRIGHT, [7.2. Consideration and possible action regarding recommendations or updates from City Council sub-committees (i.e. HISD, CIP, UDC). ] MOVE ON TO SEVEN TWO, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RECOMMENDATIONS OR UPDATES FROM CITY COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEES, THE ISD SUBCOMMITTEE, MET AND DAN, OR MAYOR POT? I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. I'M DRAWING A BLANK. WE . OH, THORNTON. YEAH. UM, YOU WANNA HELP ME OUT ON THIS ONE? IT WAS REALLY JUST A GENERAL DISCUSSION OF, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE'RE STARTING OFF THE NEW YEAR. LET'S KICK AROUND SOME DIFFERENT CONCERNS THAT WE, WE ALL HAVE WITH TRAFFIC AND, AND THE GROWTH OF THE CITY AND ALL THAT. THERE WASN'T A LOT OF SPECIFIC CONVERSATION ABOUT ANY, ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE THAT I CAN RECALL. IT WAS MORE A GENERAL, HOW ARE WE GONNA DEAL WITH ALL ALL THIS STUFF AND, AND KIND OF GETTING TO KNOW EACH OTHER A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. THERE'S A NEW BOARD PRESIDENT, A NEW BOARD VICE PRESIDENT, AND FOR THOSE THAT MAY NOT KNOW, COULD YOU SHARE THOSE NAMES? OH, AMY ENGLISH IS A PRESIDENT AND FELIX CHAVEZ IS A VICE PRESIDENT. UM, ALRIGHT, THAT'S ALL ON THAT ONE. I THINK. UM, I KNOW WE HAVE THE CIPI CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST MEETING. THE CIP COMMITTEE MET, WE'VE ASKED STAFF TO PROVIDE US KIND OF AN UPDATED, UM, TO PROGRESS TO THE NEXT MEETING. WE'VE ASKED STAFF TO PROVIDE US AN UPDATED, SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, PROJECT ANTICIPATED COSTS AND WHERE WE'RE AT. UM, POTENTIALLY THE PNZ HAS A MORE UPDATED VERSION OF WHAT WE HAD. AND SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE ALL THE INFORMATION WE HAVE IS EXACTLY UP TO DATE. UM, AND THEN WE WANTED TO MEET, WE ASKED TO MEET WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ENGINEER AS A GROUP JUST TO DISCUSS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE WERE THINKING IN TERMS OF, UH, PROJECT PRIORITIES. I FORGOT WHO'S ON THAT. YOU'RE ON THAT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I'M MISSING? NO. ALRIGHT. AND WE HAD THE UDC SUBCOMMITTEE. WE WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH CHAPTER THREE. I KNOW I'VE PUT CHAPTER ONE AND TWO OUT ON THE, UM, MESSAGE BOARD. UM, CHAPTER THREE, UM, WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH AND I BELIEVE THE TWO COMMON THEMES WE HAVE IN CHAPTER THREE, IF YOU'LL HELP ME OUT, CUSTOMER MORRIS, IS WE'RE TAKING A HARD LOOK AT ANYTHING THAT'S STAFF DISCRETION OR ANYTHING THAT'S SUBJECTIVE. THE POINT BEING IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS THAT WE CAN, IN TALKING TO CITY MANAGER, WE CAN PROTECT THE SAFETY OF THE, OUR CITY, THE LOOK OF THE CITY, BUT REALLY LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE THING. WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DIGGING IN ON? AND IS THAT IMPORTANT? UM, AN EXAMPLE IS, UM, THROUGHOUT CODE, IT, IT HAS SEVERAL MENTIONS OF CANOPY TREES. YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO CANOPY TREES AND AN ORNAMENTAL TREE EVERY 50 FEET OF, OF FRONTAGE. BUT THE CANOPY TREES HAVE A MATURE GROWTH OF 80 TO 120 FEET. SO POTENTIALLY YOU'RE, YOU'RE MANDATING PEOPLE TO PUT TREES EVERY 25 FEET THAT AFTER 10 OR SO YEARS THEY'LL NEVER REACH THEIR FULL MATURITY BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE IN EACH OTHER. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND, YOU'LL SEE PEOPLE PUTTING TREES AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS UP HERE ALL THE TIME WHERE THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, YOU'RE MAKING US PUT IN SO MANY TREES. WE, IT PHYSICALLY IS NOT EVEN HEALTHY. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, HOW DO WE DO IT IN A MANNER WHERE WE GET WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS IS TREES. BUT WE GET WHAT WE, I THINK ULTIMATELY WANT IS, UM, 20 YEARS FROM NOW A VERY WELL CANOPY CITY WITH HEALTHY, MATURE TREES. AND THEN I THINK ANOTHER ONE WE [00:45:01] CAME UP WITH IS PRETTY BIG. UM, WE MANDATE A LOT ON PARKING AND UM, WE MANDATE EVERYTHING FROM THE SIZE OF THE PARKING. WE MANDATE HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS YOU HAVE TO HAVE, HOW MANY BICYCLE SPOTS YOU HAVE TO HAVE, AND HOW MANY MOTORCYCLE SPOTS YOU HAVE TO HAVE. AND FREQUENTLY PEOPLE COME UP AND THEY TALK TO US ABOUT, LIKE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAD TO HAVE A VARIANCE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANNA HAVE MOTORCYCLE PARKING AT THE SCHOOL. WELL, YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE. THAT'S ODD, RIGHT? BUT WE MANDATED IT. AND SO WHAT WE'RE KIND OF THINKING THAT WE WANNA BRING BACK TO THE COUNCIL, ONE OF THE THINGS IS IN SOME AREAS OF TEXAS, THEY HAVE A MINIMUM REQUIRED PARKING IN OTHER AREAS THEY HAVE A MAXIMUM REQUIRED PARKING. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT GOING, THERE'S SO MANY, AUSTIN RIGHT NOW DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A PARKING, UH, MINIMUM. AND SO WHY ARE WE AS A GOVERNMENT TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO BUILD THEIR BUILDINGS AND HOW TO PUT THE PARKING IN, WHERE TO PUT IT IN? AS LONG AS YOU CAN FIT A CAR IN THERE AND IT'S NINE BY 18, WHICH IS A COMMON SIZE OR KIND OF THE OPINION THAT SHOULDN'T THAT BE GOOD ENOUGH? UM, BECAUSE NOW YOU DRIVE BY SOME PLACES AND THEY'RE UNDER PARKED THAT SOMETIMES IS GOVERNMENT, SOMETIMES THE PLACE IS OVER PARKED AND THAT'S GOVERNMENT. AND WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE JUST SO FAR INTO THIS. SO IT'S LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT IN CHAPTER THREE, UM, THAT WE GOT INTO. AND THEN WE WE'RE MEETING WITH, UM, COMING UP, WE'RE GONNA MEET WITH, UH, JAMES AND, UM, I THINK ASHLEY, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THE CITY ENGINEER TO MAKE SURE LIKE WE'RE NOT, HE SAID THERE'S LIKE, WHAT'D YOU SAY? A LIBERTARIAN TYPE VIEW. WE DON'T WANT THAT. RIGHT. WE DO NOT. WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT THAT LIBERTARIAN. BUT WE WANNA TRULY LOOK AT, WE WANT A LIBERTARIAN FLAVOR, RIGHT? A LIBERTARIAN FLAVOR, REALLY FOCUSING ON OUR BEST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. MAYBE WHAT WE TRULY CARE ABOUT AND THEN WHAT WE DON'T CARE ABOUT. UM, I'LL GIVE YOU ONE LAST EXAMPLE. WE CAME UP WITH, WE JUST HAD A PERSON TALK ABOUT PARKING ON THE STREET. WELL, I WOULD CHALLENGE, IF YOU GO TO THE BROOKLYNS, UH, AN EXPLORER BARELY FITS ON A DRIVEWAY WITHOUT OVERHANGING THE SIDEWALK. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE BROUGHT AND TALKED ABOUT IS IF YOU MEASURE AN F-150, THEY'RE LIKE 17 FEET LONG. SO THE DRIVEWAY OUGHT TO BE 19 FEET LONG BEFORE YOU HIT THE, THE SIDEWALK. IT OUGHT TO BE WIDE ENOUGH TO WHERE YOU CAN PARK TWO VEHICLES BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S PARKING IN THE STREET. 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T FIT THE VEHICLES ON THE DRIVEWAY. THEN THEY DON'T PARK IN THE GARAGE BECAUSE AN EXPLORER DOESN'T FIT IN MOST GARAGES. AND SO WE'RE LIKE, WE WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT THE LOOK OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE, BUT WE'RE FORGETTING THAT YOU CAN'T PARK VEHICLES IN IT. YOU CAN'T PARK IT ON A DRIVEWAY. THEY'RE PARKED ON A STREET. AND NOW WE'RE COMING THROUGH SAYING YOU CAN'T PARK ON THE STREET. AND WE'RE KIND OF GOING, WE'RE DOING THIS ALL WRONG. MAYBE WE OUGHT TO MAKE SURE THE VEHICLE FITS IN THE GARAGE. IT FITS ON THE DRIVEWAY. AND THEN WE STOPPED CARING ABOUT THAT. THE FRONT WINDOW IS THREE FEET OFFSET FROM THE BACK AND THE THE ARTICULATIONS ARE A CERTAIN WAY. 'CAUSE THAT'S, NO ONE'S PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT. SO THOSE ARE SOME THINGS WE'RE REALLY HITTING, TRYING TO REALLY DIAL IT DOWN AND GET IT SIMPLIFIED TO WHERE MAYBE PEOPLE AREN'T SO FRUSTRATED WITH THIS WHEN THEY, IS THAT SUMMING UP PRETTY WELL? MM-HMM. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT SOME OF THE, THERE'S QUITE A FEW NOTATIONS IN THERE ABOUT DIRECTING AN INDIVIDUAL, WHETHER IT BE THE, IN SOME CASES A CITY ENGINEER OR THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR OR THEY'RE GIVING THE, THE AUTHORITY TO REVIEW AND AUTHORIZE WAIVERS AND VARIANCES. UM, AND ONE, I'M NOT QUESTIONING WHETHER THOSE ENTITIES WOULD MAKE A GOOD CHOICE OR NOT. I I HAVE NO, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT DO WE WANT TO BURDEN, YOU KNOW, ON TWO OR THREE OR FOUR DOZEN IN INSTANCES IN THIS UDC WHERE THE CITY ENGINEER OR THE PLANNING, UH, DIRECT OR THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR HAS TO GO IN AND LOOK AT SOMETHING AND MAKE A JUDGMENT CALL. AND I KNOW THEIR JUDGMENT WOULD BE GOOD, BUT TRYING TO REDUCE THE LOAD ON THEM. 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY BUSY AS WELL. AND IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S A, A COMMON VARIANCE OR, OR WAIVERS, WHY DON'T WE DOCUMENT THAT? I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL KNOWS WHAT THAT DOCUMENTATION IS, BUT I THINK THE, THE PEOPLE THAT DO KNOW, SHOULD IT BE, SHOULD IT BE WRITTEN DIFFERENTLY TO BE MORE, UM, UM, KIND OF, UM, HARD AND FAST? UM, THERE'S QUITE A FEW INSTANCES WHERE THE TABLES AND THE TEXTS DO NOT ALIGN, UM, OR HAVE A CHART FOR THIS ZONING. AND THESE, WHETHER IT'S SPECIAL PERMITS OR, OR OR WHETHER IT'S, UH, LIMITED BY SUCH AS THAT. AND YOU GO TO THE TEXT, THE CORRESPONDING TEXT TO IT, AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT AGREEING. AND THERE ARE MAYBE 50 OR 60 OF THESE REFERENCES. THERE'S ALSO NOT AS MANY TIMES, BUT THERE'S IMAGES VERSUS TEXT THAT ARE, THAT ARE LIKE, UH, LIKE ON A ROAD, I TELL YOU, A DRIVE THROUGH FOR A BANK THAT DRIVE THROUGH MUST CANNOT FACE THE ROAD YET THE DIAGRAM THAT REFERENCES IN THE TEXT SHOWS THE DRIVE THROUGH FACING THE ROAD. MM-HMM. SO THERE'S PROBABLY 30 OR 40 OF THESE. NOW. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF NITPICKING MAYBE. UM, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPER COMING IN AND LOOKING AT THIS, WHICH IS I GO BY AND IF THEY DECIDE ON ONE THING AND THEN IT COMES BACK TO PLANNING [00:50:01] OR PLANNING AND ZONING OR BACK TO THE CITY STAFF. WELL, YOU SAID THE PICTURE SAYS I COULD DO THIS. WHY CAN'T I DO THIS? WELL, WE ARE JUST TRYING TO FOREGO ANY OF THOSE POSSIBILITIES. AND ANOTHER GENERAL THING IS KIND OF JUST INTENTIONS. UM, I KNOW THAT'S HARD TO, THAT'S KIND OF A NEBULOUS, UH, STATEMENT, BUT WHAT'S THE INTENTION OF THIS? AND SOME OF, IN EACH ONE OF THE SECTIONS THERE'LL BE SAY THE APPLICABILITY, WHAT THE INTENTION IS, AND THERE'S A DESCRIPTION THERE. AND SOMETIMES ATTENTION'S MISSING. SOMETIMES THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN DIFFERENT SECTIONS WITHIN THE SAME CHAPTER. SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST REVIEWING ALL THAT. NOW. OBVIOUSLY THE EXPERTS ARE GONNA BE OUR CITY STAFF AND OUR, OUR OUR ENGINEERING CREW, ENGINEERING A, A DIRECTOR AND, UH, OUR, UH, PLANNING, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UH, DIRECTOR AS WELL. AND, BUT WE'D JUST LIKE TO BRING UP THESE POINTS AND HAVE THEM REVIEWED. I'D ALSO LIKE TO BRING BACK SOME OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING PEOPLE, MAYBE GET THEM INVOLVED. UH, AND KIND OF LOOKING AT THIS, HAVING SOME INFORMAL MEETINGS OR MAYBE I CAN MEET WITH A FEW OR, OR SOMEONE CAN MEET WITH A FEW, UH, OF THE P AND Z MEETINGS AND KIND OF GET A, A KIND OF TRANSMIT WHAT FLAVOR, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO AND WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT AND WHAT'S KIND OF THE CATEGORIES OF THE THINGS. SO, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY I ASSUME THAT P AND Z WILL HAVE SOME INPUT WHEN THIS COMES BACK OR NOT. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE SALT THAT GETS INVOLVED. BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THAT'S GOOD. I, I GUESS I SHOULD ADD TOO, THE LAST THING WE HAD WAS WE WANNA MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE PASSING, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS. AND SO SOME OF THAT STUFF IS GETTING VERY COMPLICATED. WE'RE LIKE, WELL, IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS, HOW CAN WE AS SEVEN BE EXPECTED TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING? AND PEOPLE ASKING FOR VARIANCES ON ITEMS WHEN WE DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CODE IS. AND SO WE WANNA JUST BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND AND IT WRITTEN IN A MANNER TO WHERE A HOMEOWNER OR A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER CAN MAKE SOME CHANGES AND NOT ALL OF A SUDDEN GET SLAPPED WITH FINES AND NOTICES FOR BREAKING THE CODE WHEN THEY READ THE CODE. THEY, THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE FOLLOWING IT, BUT IT, IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE A COMPLICATED CODE THAT SOMETIMES CONFLICTS. AND SO, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT KIND OF, I DON'T WANNA SAY DUMB IT DOWN, BUT MAKE IT TO WHERE WE ALL UNDERSTAND IT. UM, IT'S NOT OVER COMP OVERLY COMPLICATED. IT'S A LITTLE MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD. YEAH. YEAH. DEFINITELY. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. HOW MANY SUBCOMMITTEES DO WE HAVE CURRENTLY? I-S-D-C-I-P-U-D-C? UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC SAFETY LEGISLATIVE, I DON'T KNOW. IS THERE A LEGISLATIVE ONE? THERE WAS. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, WHAT COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ON THOSE COMMITTEES? ISD IS UH, MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON AND ICIP IS ME CONSER MORRIS. IS IT MAYOR PRO TIM THORNTON, UDC. ME MORRIS THORNTON? MM-HMM. NO, NO. ME, MORRIS PORTERFIELD. PORTERFIELD. THE POLICE SUB IS ME. GORDON KING. AM I MISSING ANY? THAT'S TRUE. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, UM, 'CAUSE I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD WORK GOING ON, UM, WITH THESE SUBCOMMITTEES. SO EXCITED TO HEAR ALL ABOUT THAT. UM, ALSO THINK THAT WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION ABOUT DEIB JUST NOW. UM, JUST WANT TO CALL OUT THAT IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A COUPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS ON MULTIPLE SUBCOMMITTEES. UM, AND JUST LOOKING AT THE SUBCOMMITTEES THAT WE HAVE, I HAVE NOT BEEN ASKED TO BE ON A SUBCOMMITTEE. FEEL IT'S A LITTLE DISCRIMINATIVE TO NOT HAVE DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT. UM, NOT SURE YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT IS WARRANTED FROM, BUT WOULD APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE ON ONE OF THESE SUBCOMMITTEES AND BENEFIT THE CITY OF HUDU BY PROVIDING MY INPUT. UM, WITH ANY OF THE GOOD WORK THAT WE HAVE GOING ON, THERE IS A BOARDS AND COMMISSION SUBCOMMITTEE. I'LL JUST ASK YOU THIS, ARE YOU WILLING TO SERVE WITH ME? I KNOW IN THE PAST YOU HAVEN'T BEEN WILLING TO SERVE WITH ME. I'VE NEVER SAID THAT MAYOR, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD GET THAT. UM, BUT LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING ASKED TO BE ON A SUBCOMMITTEE TO OKAY. BENEFIT THE WORK THAT'S GOING ON HERE IN THE HUDDLE. DEFINITELY. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR YOU FILM LEFT OUT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING DIFFERENTLY, BUT WE'LL DEFINITELY, WE'LL DEFINITELY RECTIFY THAT. RIGHT. UH, MOVING ON. I'VE ASKED IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS. I'VE ASKED FOR EIGHT ONE TO GO TO THE END OF THE MEETING AND THE CITY OF MANAGER'S CONCURRED. MAYOR, [10. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS] CAN WE MOVE UP CONSENT AND ITEMS? THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS. I HAVE NONE. NO. ALRIGHT THEN. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS WE WISH TO SEE PULLED FROM THE CONSENT? YEAH, I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT ONE. LET'S SEE. UM, TEN SIX. REQUEST THAT ONE BE PULLED AS I THINK THAT WAS [00:55:01] THE ONLY ONE I'D LIKE TO PULL. TEN FOUR. TEN FOUR. I'D LIKE TO PULL. TEN FIVE. TEN FIVE. THERE'S NO OTHERS. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE. TEN ONE TEN TWO, TEN THREE, TEN SEVEN, TEN, EIGHT, TEN NINE. 10, 10 AND 10 11. SO MOVED. SECOND. QUESTIONED BY COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MAYOR PRO TIM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM [10.4 Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-179 authorizing the City Manager to execute a service agreement with OMEGA to provide building office modifications by creating two office spaces from existing office in the amount of $17,500 at the Police Department main building, using the Carpentry Trade Services Master Agreement with OMEGA Industries, Inc. (Rick Coronado)] TEN FOUR. CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2025 DASH SEVEN NINE. AUTHORIZING A CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH OMEGA TO PROVIDE BUILDING OFFICE MODIFICATIONS BY CREATING TWO OFFICE SPACES FROM EXISTING OFFICE IN THE AMOUNT OF 17,500 AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MAIN BUILDING USING THE CARPENTRY TRADE SERVICES MASTER AGREEMENT WITH OMEGA INDUSTRIES INCORPORATED. UH, YES. I, I WANTED TO PULL THAT ONE 'CAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT, I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UH, A COUPLE THINGS. UM, ONE, THIS REALLY JUST LOOKS LIKE, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF CD MANAGER, ERPS NOT HERE, BUT RICK, IF YOU CAN ANSWER, UM, IF, UH, IF THIS IS REALLY JUST A CHANGE ORDER TO AN EXISTING CONTRACT. IS THAT WHAT THIS IS ULTIMATELY WE'RE TRYING TO TACK ON? 'CAUSE WE, BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET THE, THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, REMODEL, WE'LL CALL IT REMODELS, NOT A REMODEL, BUT, OKAY. YEAH. RICK CORONADO, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, UM, THE, THE FACILITY DIVISION IS, UH, UNDERNEATH, UH, PUBLIC WORKS. SO WE, UM, INITIATED A MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT LAST YEAR IN WHICH OMEGA PROVIDES CARPENTRY SERVICES. SO THEY, THEY BID ON THAT. AND SO WE HAVE THAT AS A MASTER AGREEMENT. WE'VE USED, UM, UH, TWO AGREEMENTS, OR AT LEAST WE'VE EXECUTED TWO PROJECTS. ONE RELATED TO THE COURTS, UM, UM, PROJECT WHERE WE DID SOME, UM, CUSTOMER SERVICE MODIFICATIONS. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UH, ONE ITEM FROM OMEGA, UH, ON PARKS. SO BOTH THOSE TOGETHER ARE BELOW THE COUNCIL AUTHORITY. WHAT THIS IS, IS AN ADDITIONAL PROJECT TO MODIFY THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICE. AND SO THAT EXCEEDS THE 50,000, THAT'S WHY IT'S COMING TO YOU, BUT IT'LL BE JUST, YOU KNOW, AN ATTACHMENT TO THAT MASTER AGREEMENT, UM, GIVING AUTHORIZATION IN EXCESS OF 50,000 FOR THAT PARTICULAR CONTRACTOR. YOU'RE SAYING AMENDMENT, BUT I KEEP HEARING CHANGE ORDER TO, TO AN ORIGINAL SCOPE. IT'S NOT A CHANGE ORDER ON THE SCOPE THOUGH. YEAH, IT'S NOT A CHANGE ORDER, IT'S AN ADDITIONAL PROJECT. IT'S KINDA LIKE A TASK ORDER. UM, THEY WE'RE ADDING TO THE ORIGINAL SCOPE THOUGH, CORRECT? UH, WE'RE ADDING, WE'RE CREATING A NEW PROJECT, UM, IN WHICH THEY AUTHORIZE, WE AUTHORIZE A MASTER AGREEMENT NOW WITH ANY AMOUNT. SO WE HAD BIDDING PRICES AND SO THIS IS COMING TO YOU AS A BRI BID PRICE. SO THEY PROVIDED US A QUOTE AND THEY HAVE ALREADY PREDETERMINED HOURS AND ANY MATERIALS CONTRACT A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT HAS TO BE AUTHORIZED AS WELL. AND SO THIS IS A NEW PROJECT, BUT IT'S ONLY DEDICATED TO PD, UH, MODIFICATIONS. OKAY. IF THAT HELPS. SURE, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. NO, THAT, THAT, THAT GIVES US MORE, UM, WHAT I DON'T KNOW, AND I DON'T IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS, DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS? I'M KIND OF WONDERING, I WON'T BEAT AROUND THE BUSH FOR ME, AND I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, WHEN YOU WATCH THE PENNIES, THE DOLLARS WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF. 17,500 IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY, BUT FOR PUTTING A WALL IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY. UM, AND I'M NO, I'M NO EXPERT. I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONSTRUCTION BACKGROUND, BUT, UM, I'M, I'M KIND OF WONDERING, DO WE, DO WE, WOULD IT BE BETTER IF WE WENT OUT FOR BID? DO WE HAVE SUCH STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, BILLY BOB'S CONSTRUCTION SERVICE OUTTA HUDDLE CAN'T BID ON THIS? OR I, I'M JUST WONDERING, HERE'S WHAT I'M WONDERING. I'M WONDERING HOW WE CAN BRING THE PRICE DOWN. 17 FIVE IS A LOT AND IT LOOKS LIKE THIS COMPANY'S COMING OUTTA DALLAS. I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S TRAVEL COSTS. THERE'S JUST A LOT OF OVERHEAD, UM, THAT I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, YES, WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE. UM, YOU KNOW, CHIEF'S ALREADY TOLD US WE, WE WE'RE WELL AWARE OF THE, OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND YOU KNOW, HOW WELL THEY'RE USING THE SPACE AND WHY WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, PUT THIS WALL UP. BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY WE'RE SPENDING $17,500 ON A WALL. SO, SO IN ADDITION TO THE WALL MODIFICATION MM-HMM . THERE'S ELECTRICAL. SURE. THERE'S HVAC. SURE. UH, THERE'S DOOR REPLACEMENT, SO IT'S [01:00:01] NOT JUST A WALL. MM-HMM . THERE'S OTHER COMPONENTS AND AUXILIARY COMPONENTS TO THAT MM-HMM . SO TO YOUR POINT, I'M SURE IF IT WAS JUST PUTTING UP A WALL DIVIDER, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ONE THING, BUT THEY HAVE TO REORIENTATE THAT, THAT THAT, UH, OFFICE THEY'VE GOT, THEY'VE GOTTA ADD A LIGHT SWITCH. YEAH, YEAH. PUT A DOOR IN. I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT. YEAH. SO, SO IT'S MULTIPLE COMPONENTS, UH, IN, IN THE TRADES THAT HAVE TO, UH, HAPPEN IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. SO, AND JUST TO, TO CLARIFY IS WE DID PUT THIS OUT FOR BID, AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE BIDDING PROCESS, UH, TO DETERMINE SOME OF THE RATES AND THE RATE STRUCTURES, UH, IN ADVANCE OF PRETTY MUCH IT, IT WAS LAST YEAR. DID WE, WAIT, WAIT A MINUTE. SORRY. YOU PUT THIS OUT TO BID LAST YEAR. WE PUT IT OUT TO BID FOR THE TRADES AGREEMENTS AND, AND SO COMPANIES HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BID ON DIFFERENT RATES. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, IS USING THAT MASTER AGREEMENT AND, UM, WITH THE, THE BIDS THAT WERE ALREADY ASKED FOR, IT'S, IT'S NOT, WE DIDN'T BID ON THIS JOB. WE, WE BID ON THE RATES STRUCTURE. YEAH. AND, AND SO THAT ALLOWS US TO COMPETITIVELY LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PROVIDING A GOOD NUMBER. UH, I'M SORRY, I I DIDN'T MEAN TO NO, GO AHEAD. IF YOU GOT SOMETHING TO ASK, GO AHEAD. UM, I, I'VE GOT SOMETHING TO ASK ON THIS ONE. UM, HOW LONG AGO DID YOU GO OUT TO BID? UH, THIS ONE, LET'S SEE, WAS SEVEN 18 SEPTEMBER, LET'S SEE HERE. UH, RESOLUTION WAS 2004, UH, 24 2 17. SEND IT BACK UP MATERIAL HERE, SIR. THOUSAND 17. AND IF I'M UNDERSTANDING RIGHT, THIS ISN'T, YOU DIDN'T BID OUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. YOU BID OUT THE TRADE SERVICES, THE TRADE SERVICES, WHICH IS BASICALLY SAYING IF, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A TRADES CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF HU, THEN BID TO GIVE US YOUR RATES SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF COMPARE AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE BEST RATE POSSIBLE. IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. SO THE, SO THE ASSUMPTION IS BECAUSE THEY WERE THE, THE BEST ONE AND THEY RECEIVED THE, THE CONTRACT THAT ANYONE THAT YOU WOULD GO OUT AND BID OUT TO NOW WOULD BE PROBABLY HIGHER. CORRECT. THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON FOR DOING IT. THE WAY WE, WE DID IT LAST YEAR IS THAT, THAT'S KIND OF HOW I UNDERSTOOD THE PROCESS. YEAH. WE DID MULTIPLE TRADES, EVERYTHING FROM CARPENTRY TO MASONRY, UM, ELECTRICAL, HVAC. AND, AND SO THOSE DIFFERENT TRADES CAME TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. WE'RE EXERCISING THOSE TRADES FOR MULTIPLE PROJECTS. UM, AND SO, UM, AND THIS WAS SUMMER OF LAST YEAR. OKAY. UM, AND DID YOU PUT THAT OUT TO BID FOR COMPANIES IN HU ROUND ROCK, GEORGETOWN, CEDAR PARK? UM, BECAUSE OMEGA, THEY'RE HEADQUARTERED OUT OF DALLAS. MM-HMM . SO, AND, AND WE'VE BEEN USING OMEGA. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. AM I, AM I CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. WE HAVE USED THEM FOR TWO PROJECTS ALREADY. OKAY. DALLAS SEEMS KIND OF FAR, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE GOING OUT TO BID AND YOU'VE GOT COMPANIES IN HU, ROUND ROCK, GEORGETOWN, WHEREVER TO THAT COULD PROBABLY PERFORM THE SAME WORK AND PROBABLY END UP SAVING US MONEY RATHER THAN TRAVELING ALL THE WAY FROM DALLAS. SO I, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING WHY WE WOULD CHOOSE OMEGA. UM, BEING, YOU KNOW, WORKING AS A PROJECT MANAGER, I'VE ALWAYS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT ALL BIDS AND TO COMPARE THEM SIDE BY SIDE AND TO SEE WHO HAS THE EXPERIENCE AND WHO HAS, UM, THE TRACK RECORD. AND WE DON'T ALWAYS, WE DIDN'T ALWAYS CHOOSE THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER OR THE LOWEST BIDDER. WE CHOSE THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER. BUT I GOTTA BE HONEST WITH YOU, UM, TO ME, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT TO ME THIS SOUNDS ALMOST LIKE, OKAY, WE WENT OUT TO BID BECAUSE WE HAD TO, BUT BECAUSE WE LIKE OMEGA, WE CHOSE THEM. IF I COULD, I THINK, I THINK WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS IS WE WENT OUT TO BID AND THEY PROVIDED THE LOWEST RATE, SO MAYBE THEY'RE TWO THAT'S WHATEVER, $200 AN HOUR. RIGHT. AND OTHER PEOPLE WERE 2 25, 2 50, 300. CORRECT. RIGHT. AND SO I THINK THE ISSUE THOUGH THAT WE MIGHT BE HAVING IS, [01:05:01] IS THEY MAY BE THE LOWEST RATE, BUT IF THEY'RE USING MORE HOURS TO GET THE SAME JOB DONE, WE'RE ACTUALLY PAYING MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE LOWEST RATE. BECAUSE SOME OF US KNOW CONSTRUCTION A LITTLE BIT, AND WE'RE TAKING ABACK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE 17,000 BECAUSE LIKE HAVING BUILT OUT A SPACE BEFORE, JUST 18 MONTHS AGO, A WALL 20 FEET TALL, WHATEVER IT WAS 180 FEET DEEP. UM, I THINK IT WAS LIKE EIGHT GRAND AND IT HAD ELECTRICAL ALL UP AND DOWN IN IT. AND UM, IT HAD HVAC. SO I THINK THAT'S MAYBE PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SEEING IS WE GOT THE CHEAPEST RATE, BUT IT'S LIKE A MECHANIC. I'LL CHARGE $80 AN HOUR AND THIS MECHANIC MAY BE A HUNDRED DOLLARS AN HOUR AND THEY CAN GET IT DONE IN THREE HOURS. AND THE $80 AN HOUR GUY IS GETTING IT DONE IN SIX HOURS. AND SO YOU PAY MORE MONEY, BUT YOU PAY LESS HOUR. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE ULTIMATELY IS. UM, BLESS YOU. SO LEMME CLARIFY. UM, ALSO, UM, IT'S NOT THAT WE SELECTED, WE TYPICALLY WILL GO OFF OF WHATEVER CONTRACTS WE HAVE CURRENTLY. AND, AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE IF, UM, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE OF THESE CONTRACTS, THEY WOULD BE INDIVIDUALLY BID. AND THAT'S, THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE MASTER AGREEMENT OR THE, THE TRADES AGREEMENT. SO WE COULD HAVE READY TO GO, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTOR THAT COULD FACILITATE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT OCCUR OVER THE YEAR. UM, AND SO IN, IN THIS SITUATION, UM, THAT WAS THE EXISTING CONTRACT THAT WAS BID AND IT DIDN'T EXCLUDE ANYONE FROM NOT BIDDING, IT'S JUST WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF LOCAL PARTICIPATION. UH, SO WE DO GET, UH, TIMES, UH, VENDORS OR CONTRACTORS THAT ARE NOT IN THE IMMEDIATE, THEY MAY HAVE OFFICES IN HERE. AND SO THAT'S THE CASE HERE IS THEY DON'T TRAVEL FROM DALLAS. THEY'RE IN, IN THE VIS IN THE, UH, CENTRAL TEXAS AREA. UM, AND THAT'S THE CASE WITH ALL THE OTHER KIND OF TRADES AS WELL. SO I GUESS MY CONCERN, AND I KNOW I DON'T WANT CHIEF TO HATE ME. I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WANNA SOUND RUDE, BUT IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE WE WENT WITH THE EASY THING. WE ALREADY HAVE A CONTRACT, SO LET'S GET THEM TO BID IT AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON AND GET THIS DONE QUICK. UH, AS MUCH AS I LIKE TO MOVE FAST, THERE'S ALSO SOME VALUE IN SLOWING DOWN TO SPEED UP. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TAKE THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT TO BID TO SEE IF WE CAN DONE IT, GET IT DONE LOCALLY FASTER. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, MY CONCERN IS LIKE LIABILITY, THEY HAVE TO CARRY SO MUCH INSURANCE OR, SO I, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE RULES AROUND THAT JAMES, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S INFLATED. UM, E EVEN IF THEY'RE OUT OF TOWN, YOU'RE USING SUBCONTRACTORS LOCALLY, WHICH I'M ALSO NOT A FAN OF. 'CAUSE THEN YOUR QUALITY COMES INTO QUESTION IN MY OPINION. UM, THAT'S JUST ME PERSONALLY. I, I DON'T KNOW. I, I WANNA GET THIS DONE QUICKLY. I KNOW THAT CHIEF NEEDS IT. HE'S ALREADY STATED THAT. BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST DOING THE EASY THING AND GETTING A NUMBER AND SAYING, LET'S GO FOR ME, FOR ME IT COUNTS. IS THAT A MOTION? YES. HOWEVER YOU WANNA WRITE THAT MOTION TO COMPETITIVELY BUILD OUT THE PROJECT. CORRECT. AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW HOW FAST WE DO THAT. WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. RIGHT JAMES? BEING THAT IT'S UNDER 50,000, IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT BIDDING RULES WITH THE STATE. OVER 50,000. THERE'S A PROCESS, I THINK FOR A PROJECT THIS SIZE, I THINK WE'RE ABLE TO DO, UH, INDIVIDUAL CON CONTACTS AND ASK THEM TO SUBMIT WRITTEN BIDS. UH, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST THREE. AND I DON'T WANNA THROW OUT OMEGA'S BID IF POSSIBLE. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? MAY, MAYBE I'M COMPLETELY WRONG AND SOMEBODY COMES BACK AND GOES 24 BUBBA. AND THEN, OKAY, WELL, WELL PART OF THE PROBLEM IS NOW EVERYONE ELSE KNOWS HOW MUCH IT IS, SO ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS SAVE 17, 2 50, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH DOING IT AFTER THE FACT. MM-HMM . I HEAR WHAT Y'ALL SAYING AND I, I DON'T SAY I DISAGREE, BUT THE PROBLEM WITH DOING IT AFTER THE FACT IS NOW WE HAVE A BID FOR THESE GUYS. AND THESE GUYS COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A CLAIM TO SAY, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU KNOW, WE PUT OUR NUMBER OUT THERE AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA GO AND, AND, AND BID AGAINST THAT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S GENERALLY WHY WE, WE GO WITH ONE PATH OR THE OTHER. AND THEN, BUT ONCE WE MAKE THE DECISION, WE HAVE MAKE THE DECISION. SO, BUT YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED ANYTHING 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T APPROVED IT. WE HAVEN'T, BUT STILL WE, WE'VE NOW DISCLOSED THEIR BID PRICE PUBLICLY AND NOW WE'RE ASKING, SO NOW YOU CAN'T DO COMPETITIVE BIDS ANYMORE, DO THAT. NOW WE'RE ASKING FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO BID, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY WILL DEFINITELY NOT BE THE LOW BIDDER NOW. SO THAT WOULD BE THE PROBLEM WITH THE, AND THEY HAVE AN OFFICE IN ROUND ROCK. I JUST LOOKED 'EM UP BEFORE WE DEBATE A WHOLE BUNCH. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE DRIVING DOWN FROM DALLAS. WHAT I'M HEARING IS, HOLD ON, WAIT, WAIT A MINUTE BEFORE WE DEBATE A WHOLE BUNCH. WE HAVE A SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY KING. OKAY, NOW WE CAN, YEAH. SORRY MAYOR, I WAS JUST RESPONDING TO THE QUESTIONS. YEAH, YEAH. WELL, ALL I WOULD SAY ON THIS IS, I, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, I THINK I VOTED AGAINST ALL THOSE, UH, TRADES PATH. I THINK IT WAS LIKE ONE MEETING WE HAD LIKE 20 OF THEM. UM, WE DID MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENTS FOR ARCHITECTURE ENGINEERING, UM, MEP, [01:10:01] UM, I MEAN WE HAD LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL, WE HAD, UH, WE DID ALL, AND THAT'S BECAUSE FRANKLY Y'ALL TOLD US TO GET CIP DONE. NOW THIS ISN'T CIP RIGHT. BUT WE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TYPICAL TRADE STUFF. SO IF WE HAVE LIKE ELECTRICIANS THAT WE NEED TO DO ELECTRICAL WORK ON HAVING A MASTER AGREEMENT, HAVING THE CONTRACT ALREADY NEGOTIATED AND THEM AGREED TO IT, IT DOES ALLOW US TO, AS A COURSE OF BUSINESS TO DO THINGS MORE EXPEDIENTLY. UM, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE HAVE TO GO AND NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT EVERY SINGLE TIME WE USE A, A NEW VENDOR. RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT'S WHAT THE MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENTS ALLOW IS YOU NEGOTIATE ONE TIME AND THEN FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR YOU DON'T HAVE TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT ANYMORE. YOU JUST ISSUE WORK ORDERS AND COUNSEL AUTHORIZES. AND THEN WE DO THE WORK. I THINK WHAT SOME OF US ARE SEEING IS VERY HIGH PRICES FOR WORK THAT IT, IT HASN'T SPED UP THE PROCESSES IN THE CITY IN MY ESTIMATION. 'CAUSE WE DID DO IT FOR CIP WHATEVER IT WAS A YEAR, 18 MONTHS AGO. AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY CAN ARGUE. WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PROJECTS GETTING DONE IN THE CITY. AND SO THEN, THEN YOU GET TO THESE SMALLER ONES AND SOME OF US DO KINDA LOOK BACK AND WE'RE SCRATCHING OUR HEAD LIKE, MAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. THAT'S 50. AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE BID OUT THE PROCESS AND THEN WHAT WE'RE, WHAT I THINK MY VIEWPOINT IS WHAT I'M LEARNING IS YOU, EVERYBODY'S COMPETITIVE ON THAT SPOT AND THEN WE LOSE THAT. THE MINUTE THE PROJECT START ROLLING IN, WE LOSE THAT BECAUSE NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU, YOU JUST HAVE LIKE COST CREEP ONLY. IT'S NOT THE HOURLY OR THE, WHATEVER THE, THE FACTOR IS. IT'S, IT'S JUST TAKING LONG TO DO STUFF. WE'RE PAYING A WHOLE BUNCH MORE AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A WALL THAT IS PROBABLY AN 8,000 WALL THAT NOW WE'RE SAYING, OH, IT'S NOT GONNA COME IN VERY CHEAP. BUT WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE SO AFRAID TO, TO RISK IT, THAT POTENTIALLY THERE IS A PERSON THAT COMES IN AND GOES, I'LL KNOCK IT OUT FOR $7,500 AND IT'S EXERCISE. WE'RE SAVING 10 GRAND. PROBABLY NOT IN A SCHEME OF THINGS OTHER THAN TO ME, I LOOK AT THIS NOT AS SAVING 10,000, IT'S PROBABLY MILLIONS WE'RE GONNA SAVE THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA START REALLY MAKING STAFF LOOK AT PROJECTS AND GO, MAN, 17 FIVE, YOU GOTTA DO BETTER THAN THAT. I MEAN, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO NEGOTIATE THAT. AND CUSTOMER MORRIS AND I LEARNED SOME THINGS ON THAT WE'LL SHARE LATER, BUT AT SOME POINT WE'RE TRYING TO EMPOWER STAFF TO WHERE THEY HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE TO GO, THERE'S NO WAY THAT'S GONNA COST 20,000 OR 15. 'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF QUITE HONESTLY BY, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT MEG IS OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE. THEY MAY, LIKE COUNCILMAN PORTERFIELD SAID, THEY MAY COME IN SUPER CHEAP COMPARED TO OTHER PEOPLE. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW THE, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET US INTO THAT MODE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A WAY TO DO IT, BUT, WELL, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. IF WE DID DECIDE TO GO OUT TO BID AGAIN, OMEGA WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REBID, CORRECT? THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. WELL, IF WE GO TO A CALL OUT BID, LIKE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO, WE COULD REACH OUT TO OMEGA AND SAY, HEY, SHARPEN YOUR PENCIL AND RESUBMIT BECAUSE COUNCIL REJECTED, YOU KNOW, THE WORK ORDER OR THE, THE DEAL AND, AND THEY DIRECTED US TO GO GET, YOU KNOW, COMPETITIVE BIDS ON THE THING YOU, WE COULD DEF AND I WOULD RECOMMEND WE DO THAT FRANKLY. BUT, UM, YOU COULD DO THAT. WE ALSO ARE, WHEN WE GO OUT, WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE, UH, REACHING OUT TO, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE ON THE HUB LIST, THE HISTORICALLY UNDERUTILIZED BUSINESSES. SO WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT TOO. BUT, SO I WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT YOU SAID, YOU KNOW. YES. WE, BY, BY DOING THIS, WE BASICALLY EXPOSE THEIR PRICE. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, SO, UM, MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT SOMEBODY CALLS IN OR, UH, SUBMITS A BID AND LOW BALLS IT AND THEN CHANGE IT BECAUSE THEY WANT THE JOB, THEN THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK AND SAY, OH, WELL WE MISSED THIS, AND OH WELL WE MISSED THAT. OH, YOU WANTED MORE THAN ONE RECEPTACLE IN THAT WALL? YEAH. YEAH. I'VE SEEN IT TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN. SO, UM, I THINK IF WE MAKE IT A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD AND OMEGA HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARPEN THEIR PENCIL AND THE, AND THE, THE BIDS COME BACK PRETTY MUCH NECK AND NECK, IT, THAT'S GONNA BE A, UH, A, A TRUE COST. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I HAVE A COUPLE, UM, ONE, UH, I, I'D LIKE, I, I'M NOT SURE THESE MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENTS DOESN'T NEED TO BE CORRECTED NOW, BUT I'D LIKE TO GET COPIES OR LINK LINKS TO WHERE THOSE ARE SO I CAN REVIEW THEM IF WHERE THEY ARE. UM, BUT WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS BID, YOU KNOW, JUST ON A, I MEAN, JUST AS AN INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMER, I MEAN, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT BROKEN OUT BY, BY MATERIALS OR LABOR OR ANY THINGS LIKE THAT. I MEAN, I KNOW SOME JOBS, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTOR, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE PERMITTING FEES AND LIKE THAT. SO I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON ANY OF THIS. I'M NOT A CONSTRUCTION PERSON, BUT I MEAN, JUST COMING UP WITH A NUMBER AND SAYING THE LIST OF [01:15:01] THINGS, I DON'T KNOW, IS A LITTLE, A LITTLE EMPTY FOR ME. UM, AND THE SECOND THING IS, IS THAT I DID, I DID REVIEW AND, AND, AND HOPEFULLY I GOT A MUCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORK TO BE DONE. AND IT'S A LOT MORE THAN JUST PUTTING ONE WALL UP. I DO AGREE WITH THAT. AND SO MAYBE IF IN THE FUTURE, OR, OR IT COULD BE ADDED TO THIS IS A LITTLE BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE WORK IS ACTUALLY BEING DONE. YOU KNOW, THERE IS THE, LIKE I SAID, THE, THE VENTILATION CHANGES, IT'S REALLY THREE WALLS. IT'S THE CENTER DIVIDER, BUT THERE'S TWO NEW WALLS THAT HAVE TO HAVE TWO NEW DOORS. UM, SO, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE LOAD BEARING EITHER, BUT I KNOW THE CENTER ONE IS NOT LOAD-BEARING. SO I DON'T KNOW. IT, IT'S, IT'S, WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS, I'M SAYING THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS COULD BE DONE MUCH, MUCH LOWER COST IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. BUT NOW LOOKING AT IT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT I AGREE WITH THE 17 FIVE, BUT I'D ALSO THINK IT'S NOT 5K EITHER. SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. YEAH, YOU'RE CORRECT. THE, THE, UH, SCOPE OF WORK DOES INCLUDE SEPARATING EIGHT OFFICE AND HALF. YEAH. UH, SO YOU HAVE ENTRIES ON BOTH SIDES. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE THE VENTILATION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, IT'S KIND OF BALANCED. UM, SO ACCESS TO BOTH SIDES AND, AND ALSO THE ELECTRICAL OUTLETS MAKING THAT PERMIT, UM, ACCEPTABLE AS WELL AS THEN YOU'RE GOING BACK AND, YOU KNOW, PAINTING, UM, TEXTURIZING AND PAINTING THOSE WALLS. SO, SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN JUST ADDING A WALL, UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PD. I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD LEARNINGS HERE. I THINK LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION, RICK, I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD LEARNINGS THAT WE CAN APPLY FOR, FOR NEXT TIME. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, HEARING THE DISCUSSION AS WELL AND, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT THE BID AMOUNT IS OUT THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK FOR ME AT LEAST, I'M COMFORTABLE STAYING WITH THIS, UM, JUST TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD THERE ARE SOME, SOME, SOME LEARNINGS THAT I THINK WE CAN APPLY. UM, BUT KEEPING WITH WHAT WE HAVE VERSUS THE UNKNOWN, UM, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A LITTLE TESTY FOR ME. SO I APPRECIATE THE WORK HERE. I DO HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS' CONCERNS ARE BEING ADDRESSED MOVING FORWARD. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THIS AND, AND GETTING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHAT THEY NEED, UM, IN AN ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF TIME. YEAH. I MIGHT ADD WITH, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON, THIS BID IS FOR SEVEN 18 AND IT'S 30 DAYS, SO IT DOES GO AWAY. SO IF THEY DON'T REBID, THERE IS SOME, MAYBE SOME THERE, MAYBE THERE IS SOME URGENCY OF FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THIS BID. 'CAUSE THEY ESSENTIALLY HAVE 11 OR 12 DAY WINDOW BEFORE THIS COULD, THIS COULD GO AWAY . SO JUST AN OBSERVATION FOR ME. I MEAN, THE GENIE'S OUTTA THE BOTTLE , WE'VE EXPOSED THE NUMBER, IN MY OPINION, IT'S NOW IMPOSSIBLE TO GET A COMPETITIVE BID. UM, IT ALSO MAKES ME WONDER IF IT'S THINGS LIKE THIS THAT MAYBE IS THE REASON WHY PEOPLE DON'T BID ON PROJECTS IN HU BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING TO OMEGA, RIGHT? I I CAN'T SEE THEM BIDING ON ANOTHER PROJECT IN HU AGAIN, I CAN'T SEE THEM SIGNING UP TO BE IN OUR, IN OUR LIST ANYMORE BECAUSE OF, OF WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. UM, IT KIND OF MAKES ME WONDER IF, IF IT'S STUFF LIKE THIS, AND THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME WE'VE DONE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE CALL PEOPLE OUT AND ACCUSE 'EM OF LYING AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ACCUSE 'EM OF INTENTIONALLY NOT FILLING OUT 1295 FORMS CORRECTLY AND HIDING THINGS. AND I JUST, I WONDER IF MAYBE THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE DON'T GIVE THAT MANY BIDS. IT'S, IT, IT CERTAINLY HAS BEEN ON MY MIND, I DON'T THINK WE GOT ANY BIDS ON THIS. 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T BID IT OUT , WE BID IT OUT IN THE PROCESS THAT WE BID OUT THE, SORRY, WE BID OUT THE SERVICES CONTRACT SIX MONTHS AGO. WE DIDN'T BID OUT. WE DIDN'T BID OUT THE PROJECT. RIGHT. NOT THIS INDIVIDUAL, NOT INDIVIDUAL PROJECT. SO YOU CAN'T GET BIDS IF YOU DON'T BID IT OUT. IT'S JUST A, IT'S A SERVICE. I DUNNO WHAT YOU CALL THAT. IT'S LIKE A RULE OF NATURE, RIGHT? IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T PUT SOMETHING OUT TO BID IN THE PUBLIC, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY BIDS BACK. AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE ACCUSING THIS GROUP OF LYING. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE WANNA MAKE SURE THINGS ARE COMPETITIVELY BID. WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN THE CITY OF EVERY PROJECT WE HAVE IS BEHIND SCHEDULE. THE VETERANS MEMORIAL WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN BY MEMORIAL DAY. 1616. AND LIMBER IS TWO YEARS BEHIND SCHEDULE. EMORY FARMS HAD A CURB CUT THAT WAS BEING PUT IN THAT TOOK LIKE SIX MONTHS [01:20:01] TO DO. WE HAVE A SIGNAL OUT ON LIME AND INNOVATION PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE GETTING IN WRECKS. THAT SUCKER GOT, WE APPROVED THE BID IN MARCH. THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING. SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, SIR, IS THE COUNCIL GOING, LOOK, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS NOT WORKING , SO WE CAN'T KEEP DOING THAT. THAT'S INSANITY. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY. IT'S, I THINK IT'S PUSHING STAFF TO LIKE, LOOK, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GIVE THE CONTRACTORS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO NAIL DOWN THE DATES, THE TIMELINES, THE REPERCUSSIONS FOR MISSING THOSE. AND WE'RE GONNA BE CONSCIOUS ON THE COST. AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GO WITH LOWEST BID. WE'RE TRYING TO GO WITH SOMEONE WHO CAN GET SOMETHING DONE, GET IT DONE IN A MANNER THAT'S AFFORDABLE TO WHERE WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE BLOWING US UP ON, YOU KNOW, OUR PHONES AND EMAILS GOING, HEY, WHEN IN THE HELL ARE YOU GONNA GET THIS PROJECT DONE? AND I'M SITTING THERE GOING, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. WE, YEAH. SO I THINK THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT SOME OF US ARE TRYING TO DO. 'CAUSE WE TALK A LOT BEHIND THE SCENES ABOUT LIKE, WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET STUFF MOVING FORWARD? SO I DON'T ANYBODY THINK WE'RE, WE'RE NOT CALLING ANYBODY LIARS. WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT LYING. I NEVER MET THESE GUYS. I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE. WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW. YEAH. TRYING TO GET COMPETITIVE ABOUT THAT. I WILL ADD THAT, UM, WHEN WE DID HAVE THE, THE COURTS, UH, PROJECT AND THEY KEPT WITH THE SCHEDULE, UM, THEY, THEY MET AND EXCEEDED THAT SCHEDULE, UH, WHICH, UM, WAS IN A VERY TIGHT TIMEFRAME, UH, DURING SPRING BREAK. UH, SO, AND THE QUALITY OF WORK WAS, WAS ACCEPTABLE TOO. SO IT, IT WAS ACTUALLY BEYOND ACCEPTABLE THAT THEY DID SUCH A, I MEAN, I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS WAS THE SAME GROUP UNTIL YOU SAID THAT IT'S THE SAME GROUP. YEAH. BUT, UM, BECAUSE THEY, THAT'S WHEN THEY WERE CUTTING OUT THE, THE GLASS FROM UPSTAIRS. SO Y'ALL REMEMBER THAT TIME WHEN YOU WERE WALKING THROUGH AND THE PLASTIC WAS THERE. THEY'RE THE GROUP THAT DID THAT WORK AND THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF MAINTAINING THE DUST CONTROL AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE NECESSARY TO KEEP THE OFFICE WORKING WHILE THEY WERE DOING THE CONSTRUCTION. SO THAT, THAT'S GOOD. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS THE SAME GROUP. COOL. MAYOR, I JUST WANNA SAY TO KIND OF PUT YOUR MIND AT EASE ON, ON WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, OUR CONTRACTS DO HAVE DELIVERABLE DATES AND LIQUIDATED DAMAGES AND ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. SO, SO WE DO HAVE THOSE TIMELINES THAT ARE SET, UH, FOR THE CIPS, WHICH ARE DIFFERENT THAN THIS. BUT FOR THE, FOR THE PROJECTS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THERE ARE DELIVERABLE DEADLINES THAT THERE'RE OBLIGATED TO DELIVER BY. AND IF THEY MISS THAT DATE, THEN THERE'S LIQUIDATED DAMAGES. SO I GET IT $2,000 A DAY AND A GUY BEING TWO MONTHS BEHIND TELLS ME THAT'S NOT ENOUGH PUNISHMENT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET STUFF ON TIME, ON BUDGET, UM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THEN ONE DAY WE CAN MOVE INTO A AHEAD OF SCHEDULE UNDER BUDGET. BUT RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, I I I'M NOT KNOCKING THIS COMPANY THAT DID I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S WHERE WE HAD THE ASSISTANT TO THE ASSISTANT TO THE ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER OFFICE ORIGINALLY. NOT NOW. AND THE GUY, RIGHT. OKAY. JUST WANTED, WE DON'T THAT ANYMORE. WE, WE TOOK THAT ROOM AWAY. SO, NO, I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. BUT ANYWAY. ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS HEARING? NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR PRO. TIM THORNTON. NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON NAY. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER? KING NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. AYE. PUSH AND FAILS. MOVE TO APPROVE. TEN FOUR. PRESENTED. SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, THIRD. MAYOR PRO. TIMM THORNTON. WHO WAS THE SECOND THE TIE? WHO WAS THE SECOND? UH, ME OR BRIAN? EITHER ONE WAS BRIAN THOMPSON. YEAH. RIGHT. AND WAS THAT LAST ONE? UH, THREE FOUR BAIL? NO, TWO FIVE. TWO FIVE. IT WAS TWO FIVE. WHICH ONE ARE WE ON? SORRY. TEN FOUR. END FOUR. TEN FOUR. OH, SORRY. I WAS ALRIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. NAY. MAYOR PRO. TIM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. AYE. MOTION PASSES. FIVE TWO. ALRIGHT, NEXT WE [10.5 Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-180 authorizing the City Manager to approve $1,695 from 10-010-002-6481 for Parks Advisory Board training. (Jeff White, Perry Savard)] HAVE TEN FIVE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2025 DASH 180. AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO APPROVE $1,695 FROM 10 DASH 0 2 6 4 8 1 FOR PARKS ADVISORY BOARD TRAINING. WE HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? OR MOTION OR, I HAD A QUESTION ON THIS ONE. UM, OR DID YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION, JEFF, OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED SAY FIRST? NO, NO PRESENTATION. OKAY. SO MY QUESTION WAS, AND I APPRECIATE THE, IN THE BACK OF MATERIAL, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE TRAINING'S FOR, UM, HOW LONG IT IS, WHAT THE COST IS. UM, SO [01:25:01] FIRST QUESTION, UM, I SEE THAT THERE'S TWO VACANCIES ON THE PARKS BOARD. SO WITH THIS TRAINING HAPPENING, UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN STARTING THIS TRAINING, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE TWO SLOTS ARE FILLED OR, UH, NO, IT'S NOT REQUIRED BECAUSE THE TRAINING WILL BE RECORDED AND SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO DISPLAY IT FOR OUR FUTURE MEMBERS. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN KIND OF KEEP AND AS BOARD MEMBERS ROTATE OFF, WE CAN CONSTANTLY BRING IT UP AS MAKING US ALMOST LIKE A PRE REQUIREMENT FOR JOINING THE BOARD. OKAY, PERFECT. BECAUSE IT DID SAY THAT IT WAS VIRTUAL, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GONNA BE RECORDED. SO THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR. UM, MY SECOND QUESTION WAS, UM, HOW DOES THIS TRAINING ALIGN WITH, UH, THE PARKS, BOARD'S, UH, GOALS, UH, INITIATIVES? UM, YOU KNOW, HOW WILL THIS TRAINING SUPPORT THOSE THINGS OR, YOU KNOW, IS THIS A TRAINING THAT'S JUST GOING TO, UH, FURTHER KNOWLEDGE AND LEAD TO GOALS AND INITIATIVES BEING, UH, BEING ESTABLISHED? AND THE REASON I ASK THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, GREAT PARKS HERE IN THE CITY, GREAT WALKING TRAILS. UM, WE HAVE FRITZ, FRITZ PARK THAT'S BEING RENOVATED, COMING ONLINE. UM, WE'VE DONE A LOT WITH ADAM MORGAN. AND SO UNDERSTANDING THAT NOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PARKS TRAINING FOR CITIZENS THAT'S GONNA HELP US FURTHER AND HELP THE UPKEEP OF THOSE PARKS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY EXCITING. AND I THINK SOMETHING TO BE, THIS ISN'T PARKS TRAINING. THIS IS PARKS BOARD TRAINING. SO IT'LL HELP OUR PARKS BOARD BE MORE EFFICIENT AND WORK MORE EFFECTIVELY AS A BOARD TO GET PROJECTS PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL. SO IT'S NOT PARKS TRAINING, IT'S NOT GONNA BE FOR PARKS TO DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES TO COME IN AND TRAIN ON THIS. THIS IS STRICTLY BOARD TRAINING. OKAY. SO IF IT'S PARKS ADVISORY BOARD TRAINING, AND SPECIFIC TO THE BOARD, RIGHT? HOW IS THIS NOT SOMETHING THAT ALL BOARDS SHOULD TAKE PART IN? AND I BELIEVE THAT ALL BOARDS CAN TAKE PART IN THIS. I BELIEVE THAT THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY CAN, UH, CAN TAILOR THEIR TRAINING FOR THE BOARD THAT WANTS TO TAKE IT. SO LIKE WE'RE TAKING IT FOR THE PARKS BOARD, BUT THEY CAN ALSO DO AN EDC, THEY CAN ALSO DO A LIBRARY ADVISORY. THEY CAN, THEY CAN TAILOR MAKE CUT AND PASTE TYPE OF THING. SO THIS TRAINING FOR 1600 IS FOR SPECIFICALLY TAILORED TO PARKS? YES. IT CANNOT BE ATTENDED BY ANY OTHER BOARD. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN, IF ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER WANTED, WANTED TO ATTEND, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WELCOME TO ATTEND. THEY CAN JUST SIT IN THE AUDIENCE. THE, IS IT TAILORED FOR PARKS THOUGH? YES. IT'S, SO THE PRESENTER IS FROM THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF PARK FOUNDATIONS AND SO HE IS A FORMER BOARD MEMBER FOR PARKS. HE'S BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES FOR SEVERAL YEARS. SO HE IS FORMULATING A PRESENTATION STRICTLY FOR PARKS BOARD. OKAY. HE'S BEEN COVER THE, UH, LEMME GIVE HIM FACTS RIGHT HERE. , UH, ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, OPEN MEETINGS, COMPLIANCE, RISK AND LIABILITIES, STRATEGIC PLANNING AND PARK DEVELOPMENT SYSTEM CHANGE, MANAGE CHANGE MANAGEMENT PRINCIPLES, AND THEN PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, UH, FACTORS. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT THAT'LL BE COVERED IN THIS PRESENTATION. OKAY. SO FROM THE HIGHLIGHTS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S ONE SECTION THAT'S SPECIFIC TO, TO PARK BOARDS. SO THEN THE OTHER SECTIONS, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S MORE ALL ENCOMPASSING FOR ALL OF OUR BOARDS. I, I, I DON'T, I I COULD, I COULD ASK THE PRESENTER AND GET, GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU IF I OKAY. IF I CAN. BUT I, I THINK IT'S MORE CURTAILED TOWARDS PAR PARKS BOARD. OKAY. BECAUSE OF BACKGROUND. OKAY. NOT TO SAY THAT DOESN'T WHAT SOLELY HAVE THAT FUNCTION, BUT THAT'S THE PRIMARY FUNCTION OF IT. OKAY. UM, IF WE COULD, I MEAN, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF OTHER BOARDS KNEW THAT THIS WOULD HAPPEN. UMM NOT SAYING THAT IT'S GONNA TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD, BUT WHAT I JUST HEARD YOU SAY, JEFF, THERE SOUNDS TO BE, THERE SEEMS TO BE A COUPLE OF OBJE OBJECTIVES IN THAT TRAINING THAT COULD BE A LITTLE ALL INCLUSIVE. AND SO HAVING THAT TRAINING FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, YOU KNOW, A LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD, JUST LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THAT'S HAPPENING, I THINK WOULD BE A, AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THE FUNDS. ESPECIALLY SINCE WE AREN'T APPROVING TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE TRAINING FOR ALL OF THE OTHER BOARDS. IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY COULD PARTAKE IN, YOU KNOW, JUST A COUPLE OF OBJECTIVES FROM THIS TRAINING. YEAH. WE'RE PLANNING ON ACTUALLY HAVING THE TRAINING DURING THE PARKS BOARD MEETING. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT JEFF, UH, READ OUT WOULD BE APPLICABLE [01:30:01] TO OTHER BOARDS, ESPECIALLY IN CHANGE MANAGEMENT, WHETHER YOU HAVE YOUR ROSEN RESPONSIBILITIES, RIGHT. UM, OPEN MEETINGS, COMPLIANCE RISK AND LIABILITY CONSIDERATIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IF WE'RE HAVING IT IN AN OPEN MEETING, WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT HERE. THERE'S PLENTY OF SEATS. GREAT. AND THEY'RE NOT SAYING, OKAY, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA PAY 1695 FOR SEVEN PEOPLE. THEY DON'T CARE IF THERE'S SEVEN PEOPLE OR 700 PEOPLE IN THE ROOM. SO EVERYBODY'S INVITED. NO, AND PLEASE LET THEM KNOW I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THEM BEING OPEN TO MORE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY TESTS ON THIS . NO, I HOPE NOT. . AND I THINK THE KEY COMPONENT FOR US IS THAT IT IS RECORDED. WE DO HAVE A COPY OF THAT. SO WE COULD PASS THAT ALONG TO OTHER, IF PEOPLE WEREN'T ABLE TO ATTEND THAT NIGHT, WE COULD AT LEAST SHARE THAT WITH THE STAFF LIAISONS AND THEY COULD SHARE THAT. GREAT. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND AGAIN, IF WE CAN, BUT IT IS GONNA BE CURTAILED TOWARDS PARKS BOARD RELATED. RIGHT. AND I MEAN, MAYBE IN SOME SORT OF INVITATION TO OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT IS, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHTED BOLD. UM, BUT JUST HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER BOARDS TO CON TO, YOU KNOW, INDULGE IN THAT TRAINING, I THINK WOULD BE IT. I MEAN, IT DEFINITELY WOULDN'T HURT THE CITY OF HU AND HURT THOSE BOARDS. SO IF THAT COULD BE AN INITIATIVE THAT YOU GUYS TAKE, I WOULD PLEASE ASK, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY FEEL INCLUDED AS WELL. WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, I, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TEN FIVE AS PRESENTED. SECOND QUESTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KING. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YES, MORRIS. UM, I REALLY LIKE THIS PART WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT PLANNING. UM, AND THE CIP THIS YEAR, UM, WE HAD A JOINT MEETING WITH THE, UH, PARKS ADVISORY BOARD AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, COMMISSION. AND I LIKE LONG-TERM PLANNING, BUT THE CIP IS DESIGNATED FOR FIVE YEARS. I KNOW THE CITY HAS A PLUS SIX YEAR BUCKET. AND I THINK THE STUDY THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE, THE PARKS, UH, UH, CONSULTANT WAS MAYBE EIGHT YEARS OR 10 YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I LIKE BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT ALIGNED. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT CMP, IT'S ALWAYS, I'M NOT SAYING THROWING AWAY THE 10 YEAR PLAN THAT'S, WE SOMETIMES FOR, LIKE IN REAL ESTATE, WE NEED THOSE TYPE OF LONG-TERM PLANS. SO I THINK THIS WOULD BE A CRITICAL, UH, UM, TRAINING BENEFIT IS HAVING THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS UNDERSTAND THE CIP AND AS COUNCILMAN THOMPSON SAYS, THAT COULD BE APPLICABLE TO OTHER BOARDS AS WELL, BUT SPECIFICALLY THE PARKS. 'CAUSE THERE'S SUCH A BIG LINE ITEM IN, IN THE, THE CIP AND THE BUDGET. SO I, I THINK THIS LOOKS REALLY GOOD. I LIKE IT. UH, THE PRICE TAG'S NOT TOO EXPENSIVE, BUT I DO SAYS IS THAT THE STAFF HAS THOROUGHLY REVIEWED THE PROPOSED VIRTUAL TRAINING SESSION WITH THE MR. KEVIN KHAL OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF PARKS FOUNDATION. AND SO I'D BE HESITANT TO SAY THIS IS COMPLETELY APPLICABLE TO ALL OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, BUT HAVING IT SPECIFIED AND FOCUSED ON PARKS, I THINK IS THE GOOD THING. SO, UM, AND ESPECIALLY FOR YOUR LIBRARY REVIEW BOARD MEMBERS. AND, UM, AND IF THAT CAN ALSO BE SHARED WITH CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, AT, AT THAT OPEN MEANING OR IF THERE'S SOME, IF, IF THEY WERE ABLE TO LICENSE IT, WHERE WE CAN HAVE PEOPLE VIEW IT FROM THE WEBSITE, THERE MAY BE LIMITED LICENSE OR LIMITED VIEWINGS ON THAT. UH, AND IF, IF OR NOT THERE'S A COST IN COMPARE, UH, INCURRED AND I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. BUT ANYWAY, I THINK, I THINK THIS LOOKS GOOD. THANK YOU. I JUST HAD A QUESTION. SO HOW DID THE, HOW'D THE PARKS BOARD FIND OUT ABOUT THIS, UM, TRAINING? JEFF BROUGHT IT TO US. AND HOW'D YOU FIND OUT ABOUT IT? UM, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A COMMUNICATION THAT WENT OUT FROM THE, FROM THE STAFF THAT SAID THERE WAS SOME FUNDS ALLOCATED IN, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET FOR BOARD TRAINING. AND SO WE LOOKED AT, YOU WERE KIND OF PROACTIVELY LOOKING FOR SOME TRAINING. YEAH, KINDA SOME OPTIONS. AND WE REVIEWED SEVERAL DIFFERENT, I REVIEWED SEVERAL DIFFERENT ONES AND PERRY WAS IN MY OFFICE ONE DAY AND WE CALLED THE KEVIN AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION AND UH, OKAY. HE SENT SOME EMAILS OUT AND SO WE WERE KIND OF IN LINE WITH WHAT THIS TRAINING IS AND HOW IT WOULD BENEFIT OUR BOARD. OKAY, GREAT. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S JUST, AND, AND KIND OF WHAT I WAS TRYING TO POINT OUT WAS IF, IF THERE ARE STAFF MEMBERS AND LIAISONS OF OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, THEY CAN DO THAT TOO. THEY CAN BE PROACTIVE LIKE JEFF AND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE NOT ALREADY, THEY MAY ALREADY BE DOING IT, BUT LOOK FOR TRAINING AND IF YOU THINK IT'S, IT'S, UH, BENEFICIAL, BRING IT TO YOUR BOARD. AND IF YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY WANT IT, THEN THEY CAN ASK THE COUNCIL AND THEY CAN DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID. COME TO COUNCIL AND ASK US IF, IF WE'LL APPROVE IT. AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT PROCESS. SO THANK YOU. SO GUYS, I'M GONNA VOTE FOR THIS. NOT BECAUSE I LIKE, I LIKE IT HONESTLY BECAUSE THE PARKS BOARD HASN'T ASKED ANYTHING FOR SEVERAL YEARS, BUT IT REALLY BOTHERS ME. I DIDN'T KNOW THIS, BUT IT BOTHERS ME THAT YOU GUYS GET EMAILS THAT, HEY, WE HAVE SOME EXCESS FUNDS KIND OF, [01:35:01] YOU KNOW, OUT THERE ALLOCATED. AND IT'S LIKE, IF WE'RE WAITING TILL THE END OF FISCAL YEAR, IT'S IRONIC AND IT MAY BE NOTHING, BUT IN GOVERNMENT IT'S SPEND IT OR LOSE IT. RIGHT? AND SO YOU WAIT TILL THE END OF THE YEAR, HEY, THERE'S SOME EXTRA FUNDS OUT THERE. I'VE HEARD IT'S FROM ANOTHER, ANOTHER DEPARTMENT THAT WENT AROUND AND STARTED TALKING TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT GETTING GRANTS. 'CAUSE WELL, IT'S OUT THERE IN THE BUDGET AND SO THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO SPEND THE MONEY INSTEAD OF IT BEING GOOD. MY CONCERNS WITH IT IS OPEN MEETINGS, TRAINING FREE ONLINE. EVERYBODY HAS TO TAKE IT WHEN THEY JOIN THE BOARD. UH, ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES FREE ONLINE. THE ONLY REASON I'M VOTING FOR THIS IS BECAUSE THERE'S A PARK SEGMENT. BUT I MEAN, A LOT OF TRAINING, IF YOU'RE WAITING TO PAY FOR TRAINING, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF JUST FREE. SO WHAT I WOULD ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER TO DO IS GET WITH ALL HIS LIAISONS TO THE BOARDS AND GO, LOOK, DON'T PAY TO HAVE SOMEONE TEACH OPEN MEETINGS TRAINING BECAUSE IT'S FREE. WE ALREADY PAY FOR THAT WITH OUR TML AND DON'T PAY FOR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. WHAT A CHAIR IS SUPPOSED TO DO. WHAT A VICE CHAIR, WHATEVER THAT IS. THAT'S FREE. IF YOU'RE GONNA SPEND TAXPAYER MONEY SPEND ON SOMETHING THAT YOU, IS AN ADDITION THAT YOU CAN'T GET FOR FREE BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S $1,700, BUT THERE'S LIKE 10 BOARDS AND THEN NOW EVERYBODY'S GONNA WANT MONEY. I WANT TRAINING. AND AT SOME POINT YOU GO, MY GOD, WE JUST SPENT $60,000 TEACHING PEOPLE WHAT A QUORUM WAS WHEN IT WAS FREE. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE FREE STUFF. I DIDN'T LIKE THIS, UH, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THE OPEN MEETING ACT OR BECAUSE OF THE, UH, ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. BECAUSE WE CAN, WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT EVERY YEAR. I DO TAKE THAT EVERY YEAR, BUT IT'S THE REST OF THE STUFF, THE CIP, THAT'S WHY I'M VOTING FOR IT. THE CHANGE MANAGEMENT, UH, HOW TO BE A MORE EFFECTIVE BOARD, UH, BUILD CONSENSUS, ALL THAT, ALL THAT STUFF THAT IS IN INCLUDED WITH BEING ON THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD IS IN THERE AS WELL AS OPEN MEETINGS, TRAINING AND, UH, ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. SO I'M NOT REALLY TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND OPEN MEETINGS. I'M CONCERNED MORE ABOUT THE OTHER STUFF I UNDERSTAND. WHICH I DON'T KNOW. I'VE NEVER INVESTIGATED. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AVAILABLE FOR FREE MM-HMM . BUT I WILL LOOK AND SEE. WE HAVE TO TAKE IT FOR FREE. UM, I JUST HAD TO TAKE IT AGAIN BECAUSE I WAS REELECTED. BUT YEAH, TML THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. WE CAN USE A WEALTH OF STUFF. BUT ANYWAY, AGAIN, I'M VOTING FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S GOT SOME PARK STUFF IN IT. BUT I DO LIKE WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON'S SAYING AGAIN, IF WE'RE GONNA DO TRAINING, LET'S WORK ON, UM, JUST FUTURE PRESENTATIONS. HEY, WE'VE TALKED TO EVERYBODY. WE'RE BRINGING IT UP. THIS GUY'S GONNA HAVE AN HOUR OF EVERYTHING FOR EVERYBODY AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA GO HOME AND WE'RE GONNA BREAK OFF OR JUST FOR OUR BOARD 'CAUSE WE BROUGHT IT UP. AND THEN LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS, I'D MAKE REAL SURE YOU CAN KEEP THE TRAINING AND SHARE. 'CAUSE A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO, YOU KNOW, DO THE TRAINING ONE TIME AND THEN KEEP IT FOREVER BECAUSE DID TO COPYRIGHT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OTHERWISE NO ONE WOULD EVER, YOU'D ONLY BUY A TRAINING ONE TIME. IT'S OURS. IT'S, IT'S RECORDED. YEAH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE BY ME. ALRIGHT, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM TEN SIX, [10.6 Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-181 to approve the seventh amended Bylaws of the Hutto Economic Development Type B Corporation and the fourth amended Bylaws of the Hutto Economic Development Type A Corporation. (Legal)] CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION AND RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2025 DASH 180 1 TO APPROVE THE SEVENTH AMENDED BYLAWS OF THE HUDU ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TYPE B CORPORATION. AND THE FOURTH AMENDED BYLAWS OF THE HU ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TYPE A CORPORATION. UH, I JUST PULLED THIS ONE BECAUSE, UM, UH, FOR THE MOST PART I AGREED WITH, UM, THE CHANGES THAT WERE BEING MADE. UM, YOU KNOW, EXTENDING THE TIME WHEN THEY HAVE TO GET THE, UH, UM, THE BUDGET DONE PRIOR TO THE FISCAL YEAR, UM, SHORTENING, UM, WHEN THEY HAVE TO, WHEN THEY CAN SUBMIT ITEMS TO THE AGENDAS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. ALLOWING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO GO BACK WITHOUT HAVING TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A BIG PROCESS. UH, GOING BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, UM, BASICALLY I AGREED WITH EVERYTHING EXCEPT I, I'VE STILL, AND I, I, I THINK I'VE ALWAYS SAID THIS, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A, A, A HESITATION OF MINE TO HAVE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SITTING ON BOARD. UM, I WAS UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN WE CHANGED IT FROM ONE TO TWO. UM, NOW WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE IT FROM TWO TO FOUR. SO PERSONALLY FOR ME, I, I PREFER TO HAVE FEWER COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THERE THAN, THAN MORE. AND THEN I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS, I DIDN'T SEE A MEMO ON IT. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS EVEN A PLANNED MEMO ON IT, BUT JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT IF THIS PASSES AND THEN IF FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS DO SIT ON THE EDC BOARD, THAT WOULD BE, UH, ESSENTIALLY A QUORUM OF COUNCIL. UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES, HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO OPEN MEETINGS ACT? AND IS ARE THERE SPECIAL PROVISIONS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ENACTED FOR THE EDC AND ALL THAT STUFF? I JUST HAD THAT QUESTION. THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT SITTING AS COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THE BOARD. THEY'RE SITTING AS APPOINTED [01:40:01] HEDC BOARD MEMBERS. SO THERE'S NO OPEN MEETINGS ISSUE. OKAY. SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO POST IT AS A POTENTIAL QUORUM OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS? NO. OKAY. WHAT IF A LIKE A FIFTH, LIKE A, A FIFTH COUNCIL MEMBER COMES AND, AND ATTENDS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, WOULD THAT, THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING? THEY WOULD STILL BE SITTING AS THEIR BOARD MEMBERSHIP? I THINK THAT THEY WOULD ALWAYS POST ON THE BOTTOM THAT MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL THAT ARE NOT APPOINTED HEDC BOARD MEMBERS MAY ATTEND THE MEETING AND OKAY. SO I THINK THAT THEY'LL JUST CHANGE THAT, UM, NOTICE REQUIREMENT AT THE BOTTOM. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU. AND JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, SO THE PUBLIC'S NOT CONCERNED, THE LAW ALLOWS, TEXAS LAW ALLOWS UP TO FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SERVE ON EDC BOARD, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND JUST BECAUSE IT SAYS, UH, FOUR IN THERE, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO APPOINT FOUR THAT IT'S PERMISSIVE. SO IT'S JUST YOU'RE MATCHING YOUR BYLAWS WITH WHAT STATE LAW ALLOWS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ACTION? UM, SO PAGE 3 79 AND PAGE 360 9 OF THE PACKET, UH, FOR THIS ITEM, CITY ATTORNEYS SHOW THAT THE PRESIDENT AND CHAIRPERSON IS STILL AARON CLANCY. UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SHE RESIGNED FROM THE EDC BOARD. SO, UM, AND THERE'S NO CROSS OUT THERE. SO DOES THAT MAKE THIS DOCUMENT IF WE APPROVE IT STILL, UH, APPLICABLE OR DOES THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED BEFORE WE VOTE ON THAT? UM, I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE THE RIGHT PAGES. WHAT PAGE YOU'RE USING? UH, SO I'M USING THE PAGE OF THE OVERALL PACKET 360 9 AND 3 79. OF HOW MANY TOTAL? 5 91. 5 36. RIGHT? THAT'S THE WRONG PACKET. YEAH, I I DON'T HAVE IT ON THAT. THAT WAS THE PACKET BEFORE THE AMENDED PACKET CAME OUT. OKAY. I WAS GONNA SAY, BUT WHAT WAS THE, WHICH UH, WHICH PAGE ARE YOU REFERRING TO? I MEAN, WHAT WERE YOU REFERRING TO? TO, I CAN CAN FIND IT IS, IT WAS THE AMENDED BYLAWS AND THEN AT THE VERY END IT HAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. AND THEN THAT'S WHERE I'M SEEING IT. BUT IT COULD BE JUST THE AMENDED PACKET. AARON, I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS WHEN THE EDC VOTED AND APPROVED SIGNATURES ON BOTH OF THEM. YEAH, I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS WHEN THE EDC VOTED AND APPROVED IT, AARON WAS THE PRESIDENT. OKAY. IT'S PAGE FOUR 15 IN THE PACKET. YEAH. AND NOW SHE'S RESIGNED. SO DOES, BECAUSE SHE'S NO LONGER, DOES THAT INVALIDATE THE BOARD'S VOTE? NO, BECAUSE IT WAS, SHE WAS THE PRESIDENT ON THE DAY THAT SHE WAS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN. THAT'S ON PAGE 4 44 AS WELL AS FOUR 15. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OR A ACTION? MOTION TO APPROVE IS, UH, PRESENTED SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER KING. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON NAY. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. MOTION PASSES. SIX ONE. ALRIGHT, IT BRINGS US TO ITEM 9 1 9 2. IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, I'D LIKE TO TABLE THOSE UNTIL AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. [9.3. Conduct a public hearing and consider possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-187 authorizing and creating the HWY 130 Mixed Use Public Improvement District within the City Of Hutto pursuant to Chapter 372, Texas Local Government Code. (Legal)] ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. WE'LL GO ON TO ITEM NINE THREE, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2025 DASH 180 7 AUTHORIZING AND CREATING THE HIGHWAY ONE 30 MIXED USE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT WITHIN THE CITY OF HUDA PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 3 72, TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. AND WE HAVE A COMMENT FOR DHARMA. HELLO, SIR. MAYOR, ARE YOU GONNA OFFICIALLY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? UH, YEAH, LEMME DO THAT REAL QUICK. DHARMA, I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8 44. NOW YOU DON'T EVEN NEED A COMMENT CARD. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCILMAN, GREAT TO SEE ALL OF YOU. UH, SO FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA THANK, UH, THE CITY STAFF, MR. ERB, UH, SARAH AND ASHLEY WHO ARE NOT HERE. UH, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, DOTIE FOR ALL THE WORK AS WE'VE SPENT ALMOST TWO AND A HALF YEARS NOW, WORKING THROUGH THIS PROJECT. SO, UH, APPRECIATE ALL THE SUPPORT AND HELP. UH, AND I THINK WE GOT THIS DEAL ANNEXED IN ZONE A FEW WEEK, UH, THE SESSION LAST TIME, UH, IN OUR CASE THE ANNEXATION WAS A PART OF THE DA. AND, UH, [01:45:01] SO WE'RE, WE'RE FOLLOWING THIS UP WITH A FORMAL APP ON MONDAY, I THINK JUST TO CLOSE THE LOOP. UM, AND, UH, I THINK WE ARE ADVISED THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO WAIT TO GET THAT IN BEFORE WE CAN GET THE PIT APPROVED, BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT, UH, IF WE'RE ABLE TO WORK TODAY AND PENDING THE ANNEXATION DOCS COMING IN, IF THAT'S AN OPTION. UH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I'M JUST HERE TO SAY THANK YOU. ARE WE ABLE TO CREATE A PEN, UH, A, UH, A P DISTRICT PENDING THE, THEM GETTING THIS DOCUMENT TURNED IN ON MONDAY? SO THEY HAVEN'T STARTED THE ANNEXATION AND ZONING PROCESS. THE LAST MEETING IT WAS APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH ACTS AS THE PETITION FOR ANNEXATION. I'VE, UM, VISITED WITH STAFF AND WE'RE GONNA, UM, RUN THE ANNEXATION AND ZONING CONCURRENTLY, BUT WE WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO A CERTAIN DATE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE ALL OF THOSE DONE AT THE SAME MEETING. OTHERWISE, IF YOU CHOOSE TO CREATE THE PI, IT'S GONNA BE OUT IN THE ETJ IF THE BOUNDARIES. OH, AND THAT'S NOT, THAT'S AGAINST OUR, NOT PRIOR OUR POLICY AGAINST OUR PI POLICY. WELL, WILL THIS BE READY TO ANNEX AT THE 21ST? I, UM, SENT THAT QUESTION TO STAFF AND WHAT I CALCULATED IS, COULD WE HAVE IT READY BY SEPTEMBER 4TH WITH ALL THE PUBLIC NOTICES WE HAVE TO GIVE? I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT. THAT'S HERE. MAYBE MATT, IF HE HAD SEEN THE IN INFO OR JOHN'S HERE. JOHN, DO YOU KNOW? BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T, BECAUSE THE ONLY REASON I ASK IS THESE ARE THE DEALS TO WHERE LIKE WE, WE SAY WE APPROVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THEN IT'S LIKE, IF WE'RE NOT LIKE ON IT, THEN IT ENDS UP BEING LIKE SIX MONTHS LATER AND WE'RE LIKE, OH YEAH, WE STILL GOTTA ANNEX THAT. AND TO ME IT'S LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO IT THE SAME NIGHT, BUT IT'S LIKE IF WE POST THESE THINGS CORRECTLY, WE WOULD AN AGREEMENT ANNEX YOU THE NEXT MINUTE BEFORE YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND. NOW YOU'RE PART OF THE CITY AND NOW YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW EVERY SINGLE RULE WE HAVE, BUT I'M AFRAID HE MAY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEAVE US. NOT THAT YOU WOULD AFTER TWO AND A HALF YEARS, BUT, WELL, I THINK, I THINK OUR PROCESS WAS, UH, FROM THE BEGINNING WAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. AND SO THE ANNEXATION WAS ADDRESSED IN THE DA AND I THINK THE, THE CONFUSION WAS THAT WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT EVEN THOUGH BECAUSE IT WAS ADDRESSED IN THE DA, WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE HAD TO STILL DO THE REGULAR PROCESS. SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A, A CONFUSION, I THINK A COMMUNICATION GAP BETWEEN US AND THE CITY. SO I GOTCHA. WE'RE GETTING THAT SQUARED AWAY, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND, IT'S JUST A FORMALITY, SO YEAH, NO, WE DEFINITELY WANT YOU HERE. MATT, YOU, UH, I'M BEHIND YOU. UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNSEL FOR THE RECORD. MATT RECTOR, CITY ENGINEER. UH, SO I AM NOT YOUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR, SO, SO DON'T HOLD ME TO THESE NUMBERS. UH, BUT I THINK DOTTIE, THE QUESTION THAT I CANNOT ANSWER TONIGHT IS WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE TO DO THE 61 DAY NOTICE TO THE COUNTY. IF WE HAVE TO DO THAT, THEN WE WON'T MAKE SEPTEMBER 4TH. I DON'T SEE WHERE THERE'S A COUNTY ROAD THAT TOUCHES THIS PROPERTY. IT'S UP BY ONE 30, WHICH IS STATE HIGHWAY. AND THAT'S, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. OKAY. YOU CAN GIVE NOTICE TO TECH STOP, BUT NOT A 61 DAY NOTICE. OKAY. SO YOUR REGULAR 10 TO 20, 10 TO 20, IT'S GOTTA BE, UH, IN BETWEEN 10 AND 20 DAYS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO I CALCULATED, UH, WE COULD GET IT ALL DONE BY THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 4TH. SO I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO SEPTEMBER 4TH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT CHAPTER 3 72 REQUIRES. WHEN YOU OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING TO CREATE A P YOU CAN ADJOURN IT FROM DAY TO DAY UNTIL FINAL ADJOURNMENT. THAT'S HOW THE STATE LAW READS. AND THEN THE, THE NOTION WOULD BE THAT ON SEPTEMBER 4TH, COUNSEL WOULD VOTE TO ACCEPT THE ANNEXATION TO APPLY ZONING AND THEN POTENTIALLY TO AUTHORIZE THE PI ALL AT THE SAME MEETING. YEAH. DO THE ANNEXATION, THE ZONING, AND THEN THE BID IN THAT ORDER. ALRIGHT. THE NEXT MEETING. DOES THAT SOUND OKAY? YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH. AND, AND THE NEXT NEXT MEETING WE WOULD HAVE THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT THE MEETING BEFORE THE ANNEX. YEAH, THERE IS A CERTAIN ORDER. WE'VE GOT ANOTHER DEAL, WE GOT OUTTA WHACK AND WE'RE GOING A DIFFERENT ROUTE THROUGH IT AND IT'S CREATING KIND OF A, AN ISSUE. BUT YEAH, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, WE CAN, I THINK WE CAN, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD? OKAY. WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN WHERE WE'LL DO THE, UM, THE MSA ON THE 21ST AND THEN WE'LL WRAP UP THE, THE DECISIONS ON THE PI, THE ANNEXATION, THE ZONING AND ALL THAT ON THE FOURTH, WHICH PROBABLY [01:50:01] WOULD'VE HAD YOU AT THE FOURTH ANYWAY, WE'RE JUST PASSING ONE STEP BUT HITTING 'EM ALL AT THE SAME TIME, IF THAT'S OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. AND, AND OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR DID, UM, CREATE A SCHEDULE FOR THEM BECAUSE PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS A REQUEST FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT BONDS AND IT'LL, THEY'LL STILL STILL BE ON SCHEDULE FOR THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO WE'LL BEING ALLOWED OUT IN SEPTEMBER. OKAY. PERFECT. ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS, DARON. SO IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, WE'LL ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, TO SEPTEMBER 4TH. OKAY. I SAY THAT RIGHT. YOU HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'M TO, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO SEPTEMBER 4TH. SECOND. ALRIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. WAS THE SECOND COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON? UH, MORRIS. MORRIS LONG MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. THAT BRINGS US UP TO MARY. THERE'S A REQUEST TO PULL UP 12.3. I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN DO THAT. YEP. NO OBJECTIONS TO THAT. [12.3. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-185 amending the City Council Protocol Policy. (City Council) ] WE VOLUNTEER. ITEM 12 THREE, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION AND RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2025 DASH 180 5 AMENDING THE CITY COUNCIL PROTOCOL POLICY AND WE HAVE SOME COMMENTS FOR THAT. RICK HUDSON EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL RICK HUDSON. I STILL LIVE IN HURO. UH, A COUPLE ITEMS ON THIS. UH, A FIRST ONE I KIND OF WANNA BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION IS ON PAGE FIVE OF THE PROTOCOL, UH, ONE F BOLE, 13 AS WRITTEN, 10 OF THE 39 VOLUNTEERS. UH, IF YOU REMEMBER, IN JUNE, I DID GO THROUGH THE LIST OF WHO IS ON TWO OR MORE. UM, 10 OF THE 39 VOLUNTEERS ARE PROHIBITED FROM SERVING ON EVEN TEMPORARY BOARDS. ACCORDING TO THIS, AS WRITTEN, THAT MEANS CHARTER REVIEW, THE ESCA CENTENNIAL BOARD, EVEN THE CIP ADVISORY BOARD. IF THAT IS NOT YOUR INTENT, I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU CHANGE THE WORDING OF THIS. WHICH NUMBER WAS THAT AGAIN? ONE F 13 ONE F. PAGE FIVE 70. OH. IT IS PREFERRED, BUT NOT REQUIRED. THAT APPOINTEES SERVE ON ONE BOARD, COMMISSION COMMITTEE AND ARE, ARE PROHIBITED, BUT ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SERVE ON MORE THAN TWO BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES, TASK FORCE ALONG, AS THOSE BOARDS HAVE NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST TO EACH OTHER. THAT THAT SECTION? THAT SECTION, YES. SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE FIVE MEMBERS OF THE P AND Z WHO SERVE ON TWO OR MORE BOARDS IF WE HAVE A CIP ADVISORY COMMITTEE FORMED. OKAY. FIVE OF THEM CAN'T BE ON IT. THEY SHOULD. SO IT SHOULD SAY THAT IF THAT'S YOUR INTENT, SO BE IT. BUT IF IT'S NOT YOUR INTENT, YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE WORDING. UH, SECOND ITEM IS, UH, PAGE 18, FOUR C ONE AND TWO FOUR C 18. PAGE 5 83. WHAT WAS IT AGAIN? FOUR C AS IN CHARLIE, ONE AND TWO, C, ONE AND TWO. THANK YOU. PAGE 5 83. 5 83. PAUSE. FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE. YES. UH, BO ON ONE, IT SAYS IT APPLIES TO OFFICIALS. IS THAT OFFICIALS ONLY OR IS IT OFFICIALS AND APPOINTEES? UNCLEAR. WHICH ONE WERE YOU AT? UH, BOLE ONE. IT'S PAGE FIVE EIGHT. YEAH, I THINK CITY OFFICIAL. UM, CI, THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL HAVE TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE BECAUSE CITY'S CAPITALIZED. THAT'S A LEGAL DEFINITION. AND UH, I THINK THERE'S A OFFICIAL, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN CLARIFY THAT TO MAKE SURE IT'S, I I THINK IT SHOULD BE YOU'RE WANTING TO FILL IT OUT. RIGHT? IT SHOULD BE CLARIFIED BECAUSE ELSEWHERE THROUGHOUT THE PROTOCOLS, IT'S CITY OFFICIALS AND APPOINTEES. OKAY. CITY OFFICIALS. SO IF IT'S JUST OFFICIALS, COOL. IF IT'S OFFICIALS AND APPOINTEES, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS. MM-HMM . UM, CONTINUING ON Q AND A. UH, TWO APPEARS TO APPLY [01:55:01] TO APPOINTEES AND NOT OFFICIALS. AGAIN, UNCLEAR. OKAY. AND THEN IF TWO IS STAYING AS STANDS, THEN IT CONFLICTS WITH ONE. SO YOU'VE GOT A CONFLICT BAKED INTO YOUR PROTOCOL ALREADY, WHICH IS NOT A CHANGE. THESE ARE EXISTING POTENTIAL CONFLICTS. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT I HAD. UNLESS SWEET. THANK YOU RICK. YEAH. HEY, I'M, THANK YOU. I WILL, I WILL POKE HOLES IN IT. THERE YOU GO. NOT A PROBLEM. . WE DON'T ASK FOR ANYTHING LESS. ALRIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE MIL. MIL. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOUR LAST, I'VE NEVER CALLED YOUR LAST NAME. IS IT REKICK? I DID IT RIGHT. THAT'S GOOD, SIR. ALRIGHT. SOMETIMES I GET YELLED AT 'CAUSE I GET SO FAR OFF. . HI MAYOR COUNCIL, I'M MILT REEK. I'M, UH, ON THE PARKS BOARD. UH, AND THE ONLY THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP WAS THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE INTENT IS FOR THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL TO SIT AND LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO ARE APPLYING TO BE ON A BOARD. AND FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN JUST TONIGHT, IT SEEMS LIKE A HUGE WASTE OF TIME. UH, IT MAKES COUNCIL MEETINGS LONGER, AND I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT THE COUNCIL REALLY WANTS TO MEET EVERYBODY EVERY TIME. THERE NEEDS TO BE JUST A, A COMMITTEE AS, AS THERE IS. AND I AM WANTING TO EXPRESS MY FEELINGS THAT WE OUGHT TO JUST STICK WITH WHAT WE HAVE AND NOT CHANGE IT. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANKS SIR. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE PERRY SARD. I WONDER WHY YOU WAS STILL HERE, WAS LIKE, WE APPROVED YOUR STUFF WAS, YOU KNOW ME. UM, I'M HERE TO BASICALLY TALK ABOUT THE PROTOCOLS FOR, UH, APPOINTING PEOPLE TO THE BOARDS. UH, I HAVE IT ON, WELL, LITTLE BIRDIE TOLD ME THAT, UH, THE PURPOSE OF A COMMITTEE WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE A SITTING BOARD OF COUNCIL, THE PURPOSE OF A COMMITTEE IS TO HAVE TWO OR THREE PEOPLE ON THAT COMMITTEE THAT ARE TASKED WITH FINDING A CANDIDATE FOR A BOARD OR COMMISSION AND MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE REST OF THE BOARD. ON THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD, WE HAVE A NAMING COMMITTEE. SO WHEN WE BRING A NEW PARK ONLINE AND IT GETS READY TO BE NAMED, WE GO OUT AND DO A SURVEY. WE PUT POST IT ONLINE, WE HAVE IT ON COMPUTERS. UM, WE HAVE DONE, WHEN WE NAMED TEVIN WYNN FOOTBALL FIELD, WE SENT OUT EMAILS AND REQUESTED EMAILS IN FOR, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT TO CALL IT. AND IT WAS OVERWHELMING FOR WHAT IT IS. AND THEN THAT COMMITTEE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ENTIRE PARKS BOARD. AND THEN THE PARKS BOARD MADE THE RECOMMENDATION. ME, BASICALLY, OR ACTUALLY AT THAT TIME IT WAS TROY MCMILLAN MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO NAME IT. AND THEN YOU TAKE THE VOTE. SO ON YOUR PORTION OF IT, YOU HAVE THREE PEOPLE ON CITY COUNCIL THAT ARE CHARGED WITH INTERVIEWING PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE ON A BOARD OF COMMISSION. AND USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THOSE THREE PEOPLE WILL CONTACT THE BOARD CHAIR. AND WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE INTERVIEW FOR SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO BE ON THE PARKS BOARD, I WOULD BE CALLED AND I WOULD BE INVOLVED WITH THE MEETING. NOW, THERE HAVE BEEN CERTAIN THINGS THAT HAVE, THAT I HAVE BEEN INFORMED ABOUT. UH, WE DO NOT ASK, I HAVE NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN, AND SO FAR SINCE I'VE BEEN, UH, PARKS BOARD CHAIR, I HAVE BEEN, UH, IN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS WITH CORY DANINA, WITH SHARON, UH, TIRE, UH, CHARLOTTE TIRE, I'M SORRY, SHARON DYER AND BYRON WASHINGTON. AND AT NO POINT DURING THAT ENTIRE INTERVIEW PROCESS DID WE EVER ASK POLITICAL AFFILIATION OR IF THEY SIDED WITH ONE PERSON ON COUNCIL OR ANOTHER. IF THEY AGREED WITH ONE PERSON OR TWO PEOPLE ON COUNCIL AND DISAGREED WITH OTHERS. WE'VE NEVER ASKED THAT. WE BASICALLY ASK, WHAT IS YOUR MAIN REASON? FOR ME, THEIR MAIN REASON. I, I WORKED FOR PARKS, PARKS AND RECS DEPARTMENT IN ROUND ROCK FOR SIX YEARS. I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT HAVING PARKS IN IN TOWN. OKAY? FOR OTHERS, THE SAME THING. SHARON DYER WAS 30 SOME ODD YEAR EMPLOYEE IN ABILENE. THE PROCESS IS, [02:00:01] IS WORKING. THERE'S NO NEED TO CHANGE THAT PROCESS. KEEP YOUR THREE PEOPLE TAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS. IF YOU WISH TO ASK. IF WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE BREAKING DOWN THE DOORS TO GET ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN THIS TOWN, TO HAVE THEM STAND UP HERE AND BE GRILLED BY SEVEN PEOPLE IS GONNA DO SEVERAL THINGS. IT'S GONNA STOP PEOPLE FROM WANTING TO BE ON BOARD AND COMMISSION. AND IT'S GOING TO MAKE YOUR MEETINGS A WHOLE LOT LONGER. AND JUST TO BRING IT INTO CURRENT, YOU JUST SPENT AN HOUR TALKING ABOUT A WALL IN A POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND YOU SPENT 20 TO 25 MINUTES TALKING ABOUT $1,600 FOR TRAINING. IMAGINE IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE 5, 6, 7, 8 PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE TO INTERVIEW IN A CITY COUNCIL SESSION. YOU'LL BE HERE UNTIL FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. IT'S NOT NECESSARY. IT'S WORKING THE WAY IT IS NOW. YOU KEEP THE THREE PEOPLE AND YOU HAVE THE CHAIR IN ON THE INTERVIEWS AND YOU MAKE A DETERMINATION AND YOU EITHER SAY YES OR NO. OKAY, THANKS SIR. ALRIGHT. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL OR NOW YOU'RE GOING HOME. YOU DON'T WANNA SEE HOW WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THIS EITHER, AT LEAST WAIT, STICK AROUND FOR THAT. ALL QUESTIONS OR ACTION FROM COUNCIL? UM, I HAD A QUESTION, UM, REGARDING THE SECTION, UM, SECTION E OR WAIT, SECTION F NUMBER FOUR. AFTER VERIFICATION BY THE CITY SECRETARY, THE LIST OF APPLICANTS WILL BE SENT TO THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION FOR REVIEW TO CONFIRM ELIGIBILITY AND IDENTIFY ANY CONFLICTS. IF THE APPLICATIONS MEET ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS AND NO CONFLICTS ARE FOUND, THE LIST OF APPLICANTS WILL BE SENT TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. MY QUESTION IS, UM, WHAT, UH, GUIDELINES IS THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION GOING TO BE UTILIZING TO REVIEW OR CONFIRM ELIGIBILITY? UM, AS WELL AS, UM, YEAH, LET'S START THERE. YEAH, I, I'M WITH YOU ON THAT. I THINK, UM, I THINK THE CITY SECRETARY WOULD BE QUALIFIED TO DETERMINE ELIGIBILITY. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT HAS TO GO TO THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION, BUT FOR ME IT'S MORE IDENTIFYING CONFLICTS. I WOULD NEED A POLICY FOR HOW THOSE CONFLICTS ARE, WHERE ARE THEY, WHAT ARE, WHAT EXACTLY ARE THEY DOING WHEN THEY'RE IDENTIFYING CONFLICTS? I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S VERY OPEN-ENDED TO ME. AND I DON'T, I DUNNO THAT THAT IS DEFINED ENOUGH FOR ME TO SUPPORT THAT RIGHT NOW. YEAH, FOR ME ON THAT, I THINK HOW, I THINK HOW THAT CAN BE RESOLVED IS WE HAVE A WORK SESSION WITH THE ETHICS COMMISSION COMING UP. AND I THINK THAT'S A, I THINK THAT'S A CHARGE THAT IN MY MIND, WE OUGHT TO GIVE TO THE ETHICS COMMISSION. AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST WOULD BE PER, WHAT IS IT, CHAPTER 1 72, DOTTIE, WHAT'S THE, YES, IT'S CHAP CHAPTER. UM, 1 71. 1 71 GOVERNMENT CODE. UM, AND I DON'T MIND IF WE PUT IN THERE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, YOU KNOW, PER CHAPTER 1 71. UM, AND I THINK, UH, PART OF THE THING I WOULD HOPE IS THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING SO MUCH ON STAFF TO DO SOME OF THIS. WE HAVE A BOARD THAT IS VERY EAGER TO MEET REGULARLY AND START REALLY WORKING ON ETHICS REFORM IN OUR CITY, WHICH IS SOME PEOPLE THINK IS HIGHLY NEEDED AND THIS MAY BE A GOOD WAY FOR THEM JUST TO WORK AND MAKE SURE THAT APPLICANTS ARE FOLLOWING THE LAW. BUT I WOULDN'T IMAGINE MUCH MORE THAN THAT. I, I THINK MAYBE RATHER THAN REVIEWING AFTER THE FACT FOR CONFLICT OF INTEREST, IF IT'S JUST BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE SPECIFIC STATE LAW IS MAKING THAT PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS, THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE EXPECTED TO BE FOLLOWING AS FAR AS CONFLICT OF INTEREST. AND CAN YOU SWEAR THAT YOU FOLLOW THESE STANDARDS BE BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN SUBPOENA BANK RECORDS FOR SOMEBODY JOINING A BORDER COMMISSION. YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE, THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO TAKE THEIR WORD FOR IT OR, OR CHOOSE NOT TO. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN ACTUALLY INVESTIGATE. AND SO I THINK MAKING THE APPLICATION PROCESS CLEAR COULD POTENTIALLY CLEAN A LOT OF THAT UP VERSUS SENDING EVERYBODY TO THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION SEEMS LESS EFFICIENT. YOUR SUGGESTION IS TAKE OUT PARAGRAPH FOUR AND JUST MAKE, MAKE CHAPTER 1 71 COMPLIANCE PART OF THE APPLICATION. YES. AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S [02:05:01] A REFERENCE TO THEM TO DISCLOSE ANY FAMILY MEMBERS WITHIN THE, UM, SECOND DEGREE OF CONSANGUINITY AND THIRD DEGREE OF AFFINITY. THERE'S A CHART THAT SHOWS, UM, AND THAT THAT CAN BE PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT TO DISCLOSE ANY FAMILY MEMBERS. SO ONE F FOUR. UM, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS REGARDING, UH, NUMBER TWO MEETINGS, SECTION A, ANY ONE MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL MAY PLACE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA BY SUBMITTING THEM TO THE CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE AND MAYOR, UM, CITY ATTORNEY. IT, AS I'M UNDERSTANDING THE MAYOR'S THE CEREMONIAL HEAD OF THE MEETING. SO WHY WOULD WE SUBMIT AGENDA TOPICS TO THE MAYOR AS WELL, AND NOT JUST THE CITY MANAGER? IF YOU'RE ASKING , I WAS ASKING THE CITY ATTORNEY, I WAS JUST, I DON'T KNOW THAT SHE KNOWS WHY WE PUT THAT IN THERE, BUT WE WE DIDN'T TELL HER. WELL, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU PUT IT IN THERE, BUT I THOUGHT THAT THE IDEA WAS YOU WANT AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE TO HAVE SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA AND THE MAYOR WAS ALWAYS GONNA BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT REPAIR. WELL, WE GOT RID OF THAT THOUGH. YEAH, NO, I, I TELL YOU, UM, SO THE REASON WE PUT THAT ON THERE IS PART OF THE JOB OF THE MAYOR IS TO MAKE SURE THE AGENDA IS SET UP FOR THE MEETING. AND WE'VE HAD, NOT VERY OFTEN, BUT WE'VE HAD TIMES, UH, THE MAYOR PRO TEM HAD AN ISSUE WHERE, HEY, I ASKED FOR AN ITEM. IT'S NOT MAKING IT ON THE AGENDA. AND SO THE IDEA IS IF THE MAYOR'S INVOLVED IN MAKING SURE THE AGENDA IS SET UP, THEN THE MAYOR PROBABLY OUGHT TO KNOW WHAT ITEMS PEOPLE ARE ASKING TO PUT ON THERE TO VERIFY THAT THEY ARE ON THERE. BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS WE ARE GONNA BE DOING COMING UP AND WE'VE ALREADY PUSHED BACK ON SOME THINGS, IS MOVING ITEMS OFF. AND IF IT'S A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT HAS AN ITEM THAT THEY WANT AND WE HAVE A, A MEETING THAT LOOKS LONG, EITHER I, THE CITY MANAGER, NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE, POTENTIALLY WITH THAT COUNCIL MEMBER TO SEE IF IT'S OKAY IF WE MOVE IT FOR A WEEK OR WE MOVE SOMETHING ELSE. SO I THINK THE INTENT THERE IS, UM, SINCE THE MAYOR'S PART OF THE AGENDA WRITING PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THE MAYOR KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON. THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. UM, I THINK IT'S BEEN WORKING FINE AS IS WITH, UH, COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE CITY MANAGER AS FAR AS, UM, ITEMS BEING ON THE AGENDA AND ASKING THEM TO BE MOVED. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WOULD STAY IN THERE. UM, AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION WAS ON, UM, SECTION I OR SECTION SECTION LI APOLOGIZE. FORMAT OF MEETINGS. WHICH OF OF TWO L OR SORRY, LI APOLOGIZE. I APOLOGIZE. M UM, USE OF DIGITAL MEDIA, MEDIA DURING MEETINGS. OH, UNDER TWO. UM, OH, OKAY. SAYS CITY COUNCIL SHALL NOT ALLOW THE USE OF DIGITAL MEDIA DURING, UM, ANY EXECUTIVE SESSION EXCEPT FOR THAT REQUIRED BY LEGAL COUNSEL OR AS DESIGNATED BY THE MAYOR. UM, SO WE HAVE MEMOS THAT ARE SENT TO US, UM, ACCESSING THEM ON OUR DEVICES. DOES THAT NIX DEVICES IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? UM, I GUESS CITY ATTORNEY WOULD THAT, HOW WOULD WE ACCESS YOUR MEMOS? UM, IF WE, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS? YOU COULD, YOU COULD CHANGE, UM, EXCEPT FOR THAT PREPARED BY LEGAL COUNSEL BECAUSE YOUR MEMOS WE'RE TRYING TO PREPARE A MEMO FOR EACH EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM AND CORRECT. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO PULL IT UP TO REFER TO IT ELECTRONICALLY. YOU WANNA MENTION WHERE THAT CAME FROM OR YOU WANT ME TO ? YEAH, THERE'S A REASON THIS IS HERE. SO LET'S, LET'S HEAR THE, WHO DOES EVERYBODY WANNA GET MAD AT? I, I'LL, UH, WELL, GOOD. I, I'LL, I'LL, NO, I, I'LL I DON'T, I'LL BE THE H BEAR. UM, PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE ON THEIR PHONES DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION. UM, AND IT BOTHERS ME. UH, AND I TRY TO MAKE IT A HABIT TO EITHER, YOU KNOW, DIGEST THE INFORMATION AHEAD OF TIME TO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT TO ASK. WE ARE PROVIDED WITH, UH, PRINTOUTS DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION, UM, FOR WHAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS. AND, YOU KNOW, TO BE HONEST, IT'S, IT'S, FOR ME, IT'S A POINT OF INTEGRITY. IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE INTEGRITY IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN WE NEED TO NOT HAVE OUR PHONES. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WHAT, IF SOMEONE'S TEXTING, AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS HAS EVER HAPPENED, OKAY. IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S JUST A POINT [02:10:01] OF INTEGRITY. YOU KNOW, WHAT IF SOMEBODY'S TEXTING SOMEBODY SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TEXTING A DEVELOPER OR THEY'RE TEXTING THEIR BUDDY AND NOT PAYING ATTENTION. UM, SO FOR ME, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT IS. IT'S JUST I SEE TOO MANY PEOPLE ON THEIR PHONES AND IT BOTHERS ME. UM, PROFESSIONALLY, I'M THE SAME WAY. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN I GO INTO A MEETING, IT'S PHONES ON THE TABLE. WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS, WE'RE HERE FOR IMPORTANT REASONS. SO, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU DON'T NEED YOUR PHONE. THAT'S JUST, THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT. ALRIGHT. YOU'RE NICER THAN ME. UM, , I DEFINITELY AGREE. THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE ON THEIR PHONES. WE'RE, WE'RE BACK THERE TALKING ABOUT MILLION DOLLAR ITEMS AND WE'RE NOT TALKING LEGAL, UH, MEMOS AND PEOPLE ARE ON THEIR PHONES AND WE'VE HAD ISSUES BEFORE WHERE WE ARE FAIRLY CONFIDENT PEOPLE ARE EITHER RECORDING THINGS, TAKING IT OUT. AND I WOULD JUST SAY THIS, THERE'S REALLY, WITH THE CHANGE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID, EXCEPT FOR THAT REQUIRED OR PREPARED BY LEGAL COUNSEL, I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYBODY NEEDS TO BE ON THEIR PHONE. UM, POTENTIALLY YOU'RE ACTUALLY CAUSING, UM, YOU'RE ACTUALLY CAUSING POTENTIALLY ATONEMENT ISSUE OR AN OPEN RECORDS ISSUE. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE, ONE OF THE THINGS IS, I FORGOT HOW IT WORKS. IF WE GET PAPERWORK OR LIKE WE TAKE NOTES BACK THERE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT CAN BE CALLED BY THE PUBLIC TO LOOK AT. SO FOR ME, IF YOU'RE ON YOUR PHONE OR WE HAD A COUNCIL ONE TIME WHERE PEOPLE WERE PASSING NOTES ALL THE TIME AND WE STOPPED IT. 'CAUSE I JUST, IN THE MIDDLE OF A MEETING SAID, POINT OF ORDER. I'D LIKE TO READ THAT NOTE BECAUSE IT, EVERYTHING WE HAVE UP HERE IS OPEN RECORD. AND SO I THINK IT'S WHATEVER PEOPLE ARE DOING ON THEIR PHONES, THEY NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL BECAUSE I MAY BE THE NEXT PERSON REQUESTING WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING. AND IF THEY'RE TEXTING THEIR KIDS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE OKAY, I THINK THAT'S COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE TO MAKE SURE YOUR FAMILY'S SAFE. BUT IF IT'S TEXTING SOMEONE BACK, UM, THERE'S TIMES WE'RE BEING CITY COUNCIL, WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD POSTS MADE OUT THERE THAT DEAL WITH STUFF THAT WE HADN'T EVEN PUBLICLY TALKED ABOUT. AND I'VE WONDERED HOW DO THESE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON ALL THE TIME? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT IT. SO FOR ME IT'S TO DIAL DOWN. UM, THE EDC HAD AN ISSUE WITH STUFF GETTING OUT AND THEY DIALED DOWN ON THEIR END. AND I THINK THIS KIND OF IS A CITY COUNCIL'S VERSION OF WHY WOULD YOU BE ON YOUR PHONE? UH, WE EVEN HAD ALL THE, ONE LAST THING. WE HAD OUR, OUR BUDGET. WE HAD PEOPLE PLAYING ON THEIR PHONES WHEN THE CITY MANAGER'S GIVING A PRESENTATION. WE HAVE A SCREEN IN FRONT OF US. THERE'S NO REASON TO BE ON OUR PHONES ALL DAY, BUT WE GOT PEOPLE ON OUR PHONES. UM, WE NEED TO STICK 'EM IN OUR POCKETS. WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE ISSUE UNLESS THERE'S A, A EMERGENCY AT HOME. AND YEAH, I HATE TO BE THE MEAN GUY ON THAT, BUT IT'S KIND OF RIDICULOUS. WE EVEN HAVE TO HAVE THAT. I, YEAH. SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION. UM, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A POINT OF PRIVILEGE TO, YOU KNOW, SAY YOU DON'T NEED TO BE ON YOUR PHONES. UM, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I I I DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S AN ISSUE AS FAR AS, UM, THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED. UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL ADULTS. WE HAVE, UH, RESPONSIBILITIES OUTSIDE OF, UM, BEING UP HERE ON CITY COUNCIL THAT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT, UM, ARE ADDRESSED. UM, AND SO FOR THAT, UM, NOT REALLY SEEING THE, THE REASON FOR THIS SPECIFIC, UH, CHANGE AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, I JUST QUESTION. I WOULD ADD THAT, UM, I MEAN, WHETHER THE, THE DIGITAL MEDIA IS THERE OR NOT, UM, I DO WANNA REFERENCE THE LEGAL MEMOS, UM, IF THEY'RE PROVIDED BY PAPER, UM, AT THE MEETINGS, UM, LIKE THIS, THIS, THIS, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WE HAVE 16 MEMOS, I BELIEVE I COUNTED. SO I HAVE, I'M A LITTLE NEW AT ALL THIS, BUT, UH, I HAVE TROUBLE KEEPING UP WITH ALL THAT. SO BEING ABLE TO REFERENCE THOSE QUICKLY, UM, UH, FOR ME IS A, IS IS A LIMITATION OF MY, MY PERSONAL LIMITATIONS. SO BEFORE I GET UP TO SPEED, HAVING A PAPER COPY OF EVERYTHING AT THE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS WOULD'VE HELPED ME IF I CAN'T USE MY DIGITAL DEVICE. I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT. ALRIGHT, OTHER QUESTIONS? THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD'VE TO SAY ON THAT IS, IS, UM, I PERSONALLY WOULD PREFER FOR MY PHONE TO BE IN FRONT OF ME, JUST IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY, YOU KNOW, UH, AT HOME. OUTSIDE OF THAT, I'M NOT GONNA BE ON IT, UH, OUT OF, OUT OF RESPECT. BUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT WOULD REALLY BE THE ONLY TIME THAT, THAT I WOULD WANT MY PHONE OUT IN FRONT OF ME. YEAH. UM, I HAVE SOME, ANOTHER ITEM, IF WE'RE SHIFTING OFF OF THAT ONE, GO FOR IT. UM, THIS IS BACK ON THE, THE SUB, THE, UM, APPOINTMENT FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. [02:15:01] UM, WHICH ONE IS THAT? UH, IT'S, UH, ONE F UM, SPECIFICALLY ON PAGE, UH, 5 69 OF OUR PACKET. ONE F WHAT? ONE F OH, I'M SORRY. ONE F FOUR. ONE F FOUR. OKAY. UM, AND, AND REALLY 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, OR 5, 6, 7, 8 THAT ARE, THAT ARE, UH, DELETED OR OMITTED MY INTENTION, YOU KNOW, WITH OR WITHOUT A SUBCOMMITTEE WHEN I SPOKE ABOUT HAVING MORE COUNSEL INVOLVED. I DID, I DID NOT MEAN, I APOLOGIZE IF I, UH, WAS, UH, UH, CAUSE A MISUNDERSTANDING. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A BUNCH OF INTERVIEWS UP HERE. NO, WHAT I MEANT WAS, BEHIND THE SCENES PRIOR TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ALL OF THE COUNCIL, WHETHER I'M ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE OR NOT, WHETHER THERE IS A SUBCOMMITTEE OR NOT. I THINK THE COUNCIL SHOULD BE, UM, SHOULD, SHOULD, SHOULD INTENT IS TO KEEP THE ENTIRE COUNCIL ABREAST OF ALL APPLICANTS, THEIR INTERVIEWS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, OPINIONS, WHATEVER, PRIOR TO THE FACT. SO THAT WE COME UP HERE AND WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO BE PUBLICLY SHARED. WE ALL HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS CANDIDATE, THIS POSITION, AND WHAT THE PROCESS HAS, HAS, UH, UH, REVEALED. UM, UH, AND MAYBE IT'S A MISMATCH. THEY'D BE GREAT OVER HERE, NOT OVER HERE. MAYBE THEY'RE A LITTLE INEXPERIENCED, UH, OR, OR MAYBE THERE'S SOME FUNDAMENTAL MISMATCH WITH THE INTENT OF THE BORDER COMMISSION. BUT MY, MY INTENTION WAS, IS TO HAVE ALL THE COUNCIL PARTICIPATE IN THE UNDERSTANDING PROCESS PRIOR TO ME COMING TO COUNCIL MAKING MOTIONS. SO, UH, HOWEVER THAT IS DONE, UM, AGAIN, THAT COULD BE DONE WITH OR WITHOUT A SUBCOMMITTEE. UM, I LIKE, I LIKE THE VETTING PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH THE CITY SECRETARY AND THE NEIL GOV AS I COME UP TO SPEED ON THAT, WHICH FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW, UH, NEIL GOV IS BASICALLY THE JOB APPLICATION FOR ALL THE JOBS PRODUCED. SO NOW THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONERS ARE ALSO ON THE SAME APP, UH, SAME MOBILE APP OR, OR LAPTOP APP. SO I KIND OF LIKE THAT, BUT MY INTENTION WAS ONLY TO GET MORE COUNSEL INVOLVED IN THE, IN THE INITIAL PHASES, IN THE INTERMEDIARY PHASES ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WHAT IS KIND OF BEEN AN OUTCOME OF THAT. AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO I, I, I THINK ONE, ONE ISSUE WITH THAT IS IF THERE'S INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO ALL THE COUNCIL, THEN THAT'S OPEN RECORDS INFORMATION. AND SO IF THE IDEA IS THAT YOU DON'T WANNA MAKE SOMETHING PUBLIC, YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT PUBLIC. WELL, I MEAN, UM, A GOOD POINT. UM, BUT THROUGH NEO GOV, AND I'M VERY, VERY, UM, YOUNG ON COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS, COULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? , WHAT, WHERE WERE YOU GOING? ? WHEN, WHEN DAN STEWART, I LET HIM BE ABLE TO SEE YOU'RE DOING A BART SIX AND DISAPPEARANCE, I THINK NEIL GOV AND, AND, AND I'M STILL LIMITED IN ITS UNDERSTANDING, CAN BE, HAVE INFORMATION IN THERE ABOUT INTERVIEWS, WHETHER SOMEONE'S BEEN RECOMMENDED OR REFERRED OR ARCHIVED AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT OF NEO GOV, BUT I DIDN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE PUBLIC ASPECT OF THAT. BUT NEO GOV IS A INTERNAL, INTERNAL APPLICATION. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE, IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT OR NOT, BUT, UM, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH OUR MESSAGE BOARD, WHICH IS NOT, WELL, THAT IS PUBLIC AS WELL, NEVERMIND. YEAH. OKAY. MY INTENTION IS TO GET EVERYBODY INVOLVED AND HOW WE CAN DO THAT. THEN I, THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE HOW I'D APPROACH IT. YEAH. AND I'VE HEARD FROM SOMEONE NOT TO HAVE IT AT COUNSELING, BUT HAVE A WORKSHOP. THERE ARE SOME CITIES WHO ONCE A YEAR HAVE THE PROCESS. AND I THINK, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK WE KIND OF MODELED THIS A LITTLE BIT AFTER THE CITY OF GEORGETOWN WHERE THEY HAVE A YEARLY PROCESS AND THEN THAT'S WHY YOU GET INTO LANGUAGE LATER ON. AND THEN AS, AS MAY BE NEEDED, UH, OTHER MEETINGS. BUT, UH, WE'VE CREATED SUCH A SYSTEM. I HONESTLY THINK THE REASON PEOPLE DON'T APPLY IS 'CAUSE THERE'S SUCH A SYSTEM WHERE IN OTHER CITIES PEOPLE APPLY. THERE'S A DAY WE CAN HAVE A WORK SESSION, WE GO THROUGH 'EM ALL, UM, WE DISCUSS IT ALL. I DON'T THINK THERE HAS TO BE THIS, I'M NOT EVEN IN FAVOR OF A LOT OF INTERVIEWING BECAUSE SOMETIMES I HEAR WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE APPLYING, BUT WHEN WE DO, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE QUALIFIED AND THEY'RE THE APPROPRIATE PERSON. AND SO IF WE'RE GONNA INTERVIEW, WE ONLY JUST DO IT AT ONCE, GET OVER ONCE A YEAR. UM, AND THEN AS PEOPLE FALL OFF THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WE CAN EASILY MEET, UM, HAVE A QUICK DEAL AT A WORK SESSION. UM, BUT THAT'S HOW I KIND OF SAW IT. IS THAT KIND OF WHAT YEAH, JUST KIND OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN OTHER CITIES DO THIS REGULAR MEETING AND GETTING [02:20:01] EVERYBODY TOGETHER. UM, IT'S NOT COMMON IN OTHER CITIES THAT WE FOUND, BUT, BUT IT IS SUCCESSFUL IN OTHER CITIES. YEAH, I MEAN ANOTHER, I MEAN, NOT TO SAY THAT WE, YEAH, OKAY, THAT'S ALL GREAT. BUT AREN'T YOU KIND OF DEFEATING THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMITTEE? YOU ALL HAVE THE FIRST OFF, YOU'RE ALL GONNA HAVE THE APPLICATIONS FOR WHOEVER'S COMING IN. YEAH. WHETHER IT'S BEDC OR WHATEVER BOARD YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THEIR APPLICATIONS. YOU ALL HAVE ACCESS TO IT. AND YOU ARE ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS. YOU ASK THE QUESTION RIGHT OFF THE BAT WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE NOMINATE JOE BLOW FOR THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD, SOMEBODY ELSE SECONDS IT. AND YOU SAY ANY DISCUSSIONS AT THAT POINT, EVERYBODY ON CITY COUNCIL HAS A, HAS AN ABILITY AND ACTUALLY A DUTY TO ASK THE COMMITTEE, WHAT ABOUT THIS PERSON? IF THE PERSON IS IN THE ROOM, YOU EVEN HAVE THE DUTY TO PULL 'EM UP HERE AND SAY, YEAH, ASK HIM QUESTIONS, DEPENDING ON WHAT HE'S DOING. NOW, PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK THAT, HOLD ON. SORRY. I, I DON'T, I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT YOU HAD YOUR THREE MINUTES AND IT'S REALLY A, A COUNCIL DEBATING THE THING. OH, I THOUGHT WE WERE STILL ABLE TO INTERACT SINCE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AN AGENDA ITEM. MY BAD. YEAH, SORRY. THANK YOU. SO I HAD SOME QUESTIONS, CLARIFICATIONS ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE PROPOSED AND, AND I COULD, I'D LIKE TO OFFER, SO STARTING OUT BEFORE I FORGET, SO I'D LIKE TO OFFER SOME CLARIFICATION. SO THIS, THIS PROCESS WAS INTENDED TO BE AN ANNUAL PROCESS, UM, WHEN IT'S WORKING CORRECTLY. UM, YOU ONLY DO THIS ONCE A YEAR AND THEN THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE MEETS AS NEEDED WHEN YOU HAVE VACANCIES THAT COME UP THAT ARE UNPLANNED. UM, SO THAT'S HOW IT WAS ALWAYS INTENDED. UM, I THINK THAT THIS PROCESS WORKED VERY, VERY WELL LAST YEAR. IT WAS VERY ORGANIZED. WE DID A, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF NOMINATIONS IN ONE MEETING. I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY RECALL, BUT WE, I THINK WE HAD 20 TO 30 NOMINATIONS IN ONE DAY. SO WE KNOCKED OUT A TON OF THOSE. AND THEN WE JUST KIND OF FILLED IN THE GAPS AS NEEDED. UM, THE, UH, THE, I THINK THE, WE DID NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PEOPLE NOT, UM, APPLYING. SO I, I THINK THE, THE ASSUMPTION THAT, THAT THIS PROCESS WAS LIMITING THE, THE, UM, APPLICATIONS IS NOT ACCURATE. UM, WE CONSISTENTLY HAD MORE APPLICATIONS THAN WE HAD POSITIONS OPENING ON SEVERAL OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. SO WE HAD A LOT OF APPLICATIONS AND WE WERE TURNING PEOPLE AWAY JUST BECAUSE WE HAD TWO OPENINGS AND, AND FOUR APPLICATIONS. UM, SO I THINK IT WAS WORKING VERY WELL. UM, THE, THE BOARD CHAIRS, ALL THE BOARD CHAIRS THAT I TALKED TO, UM, APPRECIATE THEIR, THEIR ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE. UM, I THINK HAVING THE BOARD CHAIRS THERE IN PRESENT, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED THE VALUE OF THE INTERVIEWS. UM, I I, I THINK WE SAW AN INCREASE IN THE, IN THE PARTICIPATION IN THE APPOINTEES WHEN THEY WERE APPOINTED BECAUSE THEY WERE TAKING IT A LOT MORE SERIOUS BECAUSE THEY WERE INTERVIEWED. SO ALL THAT TO, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO PREFACE THAT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT, IT, IT HAS WORKED VERY WELL WHEN THE PROCESS IS FOLLOWED, WORKS PHENOMENALLY. UM, SO MY QUESTIONS IS, I WANTED TO GO THROUGH, UM, ON HERE. SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I WAS GONNA PUT FORTH, I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER TO KEEP PARAGRAPHS 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT AS THEY ARE. BUT MY, ONE OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS WAS GOING TO BE TO REMOVE THE EDC FROM THE PROCESS AND TO NOT HAVE EDC APPOINTMENTS GO THROUGH THE DOMINATING COMMITTEE BECAUSE ESPECIALLY NOW THAT IT JUST PASSED, MOST OF THEM ARE GONNA BE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. I DO LIKE THE PARAGRAPH HERE WHERE IT SAYS, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE EXEMPT. I THINK THAT IS A LITTLE WEIRD TO HAVE THE DOMINATING COMMITTEE INTERVIEWING A FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBER TO BE ON A BOARD. AND SO I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. YOU KNOW THAT I DON'T INTERRUPT YOU. WHERE ARE YOU AT? OH, I'M SORRY. SO 1 5 68. YEAH. PAGE 1 5 68. IT'S F AND THEN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH, IT'S THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE SECTION. I, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT CLARIFYING THAT. UH, WHERE IT SAYS, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE EXEMPT FROM THE FOLLOWING PROCESSES, SO TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK THAT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE. I WAS GONNA RECOMMEND TO O OMIT HEDC FROM THE LIST AND TO NOT HAVE THOSE APPOINTMENTS GO THROUGH THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE AND JUST HAVE THOSE BE DONE BY COUNCIL. I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. I THINK ALSO THE EGCS, WE COULD ELIMINATE THAT FROM THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE BECAUSE THOSE TRADITIONALLY HAVE BEEN ONLY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, SO WE COULD SIMPLIFY IT THAT WAY. UM, AND REALLY JUST MAINLY FOCUS ON THE STANDING BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WE HAVE, AND THEN ANY TASK FORCES THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE HERE. UM, SO I LIKE THOSE, THOSE CHANGES THERE. I LIKE HAVING THE CITY SECRETARY TAKE A MORE ACTIVE ROLE IN VERIFYING THINGS. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I THINK THAT'S A, A, A GOOD PART OF HER ROLE. UM, AND THEN I WOULD, UM, ALSO BE OPEN TO, UH, A CHANGE WITHIN THE, THE PARAGRAPHS THAT ARE REDLINED. UM, I THINK THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT QUESTIONS ARE BEING [02:25:01] ASKED. I THINK THAT IF WE CAME UP WITH, UM, IF WE STILL DID THE INTERVIEWS, WE STILL DID THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE TO DO IT, BUT WE HAD A, UH, A, A LIST OF SUGGESTED QUESTIONS OR HERE'S THE LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT, THAT KIND OF CAN BE ASKED. AND YOU JUST KIND OF COME UP WITH THAT WHOLE LIST. UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S SOME STANDARD QUESTIONS THAT WE TYPICALLY WOULD ASK, ARE YOU ABLE TO SERVE ON THIS DATE AND TIME? THIS IS WHEN THE BOARD MEETS. WHAT IS YOUR PURPOSE IN APPLYING? WHAT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE? THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AND SO IF WE WANTED TO STANDARDIZE THE QUESTIONS, I'M TOTALLY OPEN TO THAT. I THINK THAT'S TOTALLY APPROPRIATE. UM, SO, AND THEN ALSO I STRONGLY, STRONGLY, UM, RECOMMEND THAT WE KEEP THE BOARD CHAIRS INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS, WHATEVER WE DO GOING FORWARD, UM, THAT THEY STAY INVOLVED. UM, AND THEY STILL ARE, RIGHT? IT SAYS THE, IT SAYS MAY, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT PARAGRAPH, I THINK IT'S NINE IN THAT SECTION, UH, SAYS THE EACH BOARD CHAIR IF APPLICABLE, MAY ALSO PARTICIPATE IN THESE MEETINGS. SO YEAH, IF, I MEAN, IF WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO AS A, AS A MAJORITY, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED. I WOULD ALMOST LIKE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WILL INSTEAD OF MAY, BUT I'D LIKE A LITTLE BIT STRONGER. UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF IT FOR THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE SIDE. I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE COM COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. I DON'T SEE THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THE, THE, UH, ETHICS, UM, REVIEW BOARD PARTICIPATE IN THAT. I THINK IF WE PUT IT IN THE APPLICATION THAT'S, THAT IS SUFFICIENT. UM, NO CONCERNS. I DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THE INELIGIBILITY. IF THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T ATTEND, I THINK ATTENDANCE AT THE BOARD MEETINGS IS VERY IMPORTANT. SO I AGREE WITH THAT. UM, SHARED SOME OF COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON'S CONCERNS ABOUT GETTING THINGS ON THE AGENDA, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING WRITTEN APPROVAL FROM THE MAYOR TO ADD SOMETHING. I THINK THAT JUST, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE WAY I READ IT, THAT'S ONLY IF IT'S LIKE BEING ADDED LAST MINUTE. IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. SO JUST A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM. WE DON'T NEED WRITTEN APPROVAL. IT'S JUST LIKE, HEY, I WANT TO ADD IT. IT'S, IT'S MONDAY, YOU'RE PUBLISHING IT AT FIVE, IT'S MONDAY AT 10. I WANT TO ADD SOMETHING. OKAY. UM, I THINK THAT'S THAT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. THAT'S FINE. YOU GOTTA BE ORGANIZED. AND, UM, I, I THINK, I THOUGHT THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING THAT I HAD A QUESTION ON FOR CLARIFICATION, BUT I'M NOT SEEING A DIGITAL MEDIA'S ALREADY BEEN COVERED. THE CHANGE IN DATE TO THE FINANCIAL CLOSURE. I LOVE THAT. MOVE IT WAY UP. THAT MAKES ME DO IT SOONER, , BECAUSE I ALWAYS WAIT UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE. UM, AND OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S IT. ALRIGHT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION R DASH 2025 DASH 1 8 5 AS PRESENTED WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE SCRATCH ONE F FOUR AND WE ADD THE CHAPTER 1 71 REQUIREMENT TO THE APPLICATION. AND WE REVISE THE NUMBER TWO M FOR IT TO SAY, EXCEPT FOR THAT REQUIRED OR PREPARED BY CITY LEGAL. SO IT WAS, WHAT WAS THE PARAGRAPH? WHAT? ONE? FOUR F FOUR ONE F FOUR. ONE F FOUR. OH, SORRY. ONE, I'M SORRY. YEAH. F FOUR. IT'S NOT EVEN 10 O'CLOCK YET. ONE F FOUR AND THEN TWO M AND ONE F FOUR WAS TO SCRATCH THAT, BUT JUST BASICALLY SAY ADD IT TO THE APPLICATION. YEAH, JUST THE CHAPTER 1 71 REQUIREMENT TO THE APPLICATION. BUT TAKE OUT THE ETHICS COMMISSION PART SECOND. AND WHAT WAS THE SECOND PARAGRAPH? UH, TWO M. TWO MM. THAT'S THE ELECTRONIC DEVICES. AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS THE CHANGE THERE? UH, THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR PHONE PHONE OUT UNLESS IT'S FOR A DOCUMENT. UH, REQUIRED PREPARED. PREPARED, UH, BY CITY LEGAL. AND I WOULD JUST SAY THIS, ONE OF THE COMMITMENTS I'M MAKING TO THE CITY MANAGER IS WE DEBATE MORE OF THIS ON THE MESSAGE BOARD. AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING EVERYBODY SAID, BUT FOR LIKE A MONTH, THIS HAS BEEN ON A MESSAGE BOARD. AND SO WHAT I'M HOPING TO, AND THIS JUST A, A THING THAT I'VE BEEN COMMITTING TO MATT AND JAMES, IS TO DEBATE MORE OF THIS LEGALLY ON THE MESSAGE BOARD. AND WE GET UP HERE, WE'RE GONNA START FINDING THESE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE MESSAGE BOARD. WE'RE GONNA START FINDING 'EM ON A CONSENT AGENDA. AND MY IDEA IS WE'VE DEBATED IT. WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN'T VOTE ON THERE, BUT WE'RE GETTING, LIKE, WE GOT SOME KIND OF CONSENSUS MAYBE THEN I'M GONNA BE TELLING JAMES, HEY, GO AHEAD AND GET IT READY. THROW IT ON THE CONSENT AND I'M EXPECTING SOMEBODY EITHER PULL IT 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA VOTE AGAINST IT OR WE'RE VOTING FOR IT. UM, BECAUSE I WANNA, THESE MEETINGS, IT'S 10 O'CLOCK BY THE END OF THE YEAR AND NINE O'CLOCK BY THE NEXT YEAR IS WHAT I TOLD JAMES WE'RE GONNA BE DONE. AND UM, SO I I, WHILE I APPRECIATE WHAT EVERYBODY'S [02:30:01] SAYING, WE'VE GOTTA GET THIS ON THE MESSAGE BOARD BECAUSE IT'S LEGAL AND IT'S EASY. AND, UM, SO YEAH, I HEAR YOU. I FAILED TO, TO, UH, CONTRIBUTE MUCH ON THIS, BUT, WELL, ANYTHING ON THIS, ON THE MESSAGE BOARD, BUT I'M GONNA OFFER AN AMENDMENT AND SEE IF IT FLIES OR NOT. MY AMENDMENT WOULD BE TO REINSTATE IN SECTION ONE F ON THE, ON THE, UM, NOMINATIONS, REINSTATE NUMBERS 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT. BUT CHANGE NUMBER SIX, CHANGE THE FIRST SENTENCE TO STATE THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE WILL CONSIST OF THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS SELECTED BY THE COUNCIL, SELECTED BY THE WHOLE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CHAIR OF THE BORDER COMMISSION WHO'S VACANCY IS BEING CONSIDERED. AND THEN ELIMINATE THE SECOND SENTENCE COMPLETELY THAT ASSIGNS IT TO 1 3 5 AND 2 4 6. BECAUSE I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN CONFLICTS WITH, WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS NOT GETTING ALONG. AND I THINK IF THE COUNCIL SELECTS THE THREE PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE, IT CAN BE A LOT MORE EFFECTIVE AND THE COUNCIL CAN CHANGE THE COMMITTEE WHENEVER IT SEES FIT. I LIKE THAT. SECOND GOOD CLARIFICATION. SO, OH, DID YOU SAY TO ADD THE CHAIR IN THE SELECTING Y YEAH, THE CHAIR IS PART OF THE SELECTING YES. THE BOARD CHAIR. THE, THE, THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF THE BOARD COMMISSION THAT, THAT'S SELECTS THE SUBCOMMITTEE. NO, NO, NO. THEY'RE, THEY'RE PART OF IN THE SELECTION COMMITTEE PROCESS. YES. THEY'RE PART OF THE PROCESS NOT SELECTING THE CITY COUNCIL. RIGHT. THEY'RE NOT SELECTING WHO THE COUNCIL PUTS ON THAT. THANK YOU. YES. SO I STILL LIKE THE, I I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S A BAD SUGGESTION. UH, DAN, I, I DO LIKE THAT. MY, I GUESS MY THING IS JUST TO, TO JIM'S POINT IS MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE COUNCIL HAS THE SAME INFORMATION. YOU KNOW, IF WE DO ALL THIS TOGETHER, THEN THAT KIND OF GETS RID OF THAT. NOW I WILL, I WILL SAY PETER LIKED TO SAY HOW LAST YEAR IT WENT SO WELL, BUT I'LL ALSO ASK WHO WAS THE CHAIR OF THAT SUBCOMMITTEE AT THE TIME? SO NOT A HUMBLE STATEMENT. ACCURATE, BUT NOT HUMBLE. . SO OF COURSE IT WENT WELL POINT TAKEN, BUT I I'M EXTREMELY ORGANIZED. NO, NO, NO. YOU ARE THE SPREADSHEET THAT YOU GAVE ME. I'VE ADDED TO THAT. AND IT'S, AND IT'S WONDERFUL. JIM LIKES IT. HIS ENGINEER BRAIN WENT CRAZY. BUT I'M JUST SAYING, BECAUSE DAN, I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK THERE'S SOME, SOME PERSONALITY CONFLICTS THERE. NO ARGUMENT WHICH WE'RE GONNA HAVE, RIGHT? IT'S NATURAL. UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, THE POINT IS TO HAVE ALL OF COUNSEL HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION. AND THAT'S HARD TO DO IF THEY'RE NOT IN ON THE INTERVIEW. BECAUSE IF, IF WE BRING 'EM UP HERE AND WE'RE GONNA INTERVIEW 'EM UP HERE, WHY DIDN'T WE JUST DO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE? I DON'T WANNA DO IT AT A COUNCIL MEETING. 'CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA BE HERE ALL NIGHT. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF MY WHOLE IDEA IS HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET ALL OF US TOGETHER TO DO IT? AND IF WE DO IT, YOU KNOW, TWICE A YEAR, ONCE A YEAR, QUARTERLY, WHATEVER IT IS. UM, AND YEAH, AND YEAH, HISTORICALLY IT'S BEEN, IT'S HARD TO GET, I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO ASK PEOPLE TO SERVE , BUT I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S JUST MY TAKE ON IT. I THINK ONE THING WE CAN AGREE ON IS THERE'S NO PERFECT SYSTEM HERE. TRUE. A HUNDRED PERCENT. SO I OFFERED AN AMENDMENT, WE'LL VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON. , I, I LIKE THE AMENDMENT AND I'M PROBABLY OKAY WITH IT BECAUSE IF I, IF WE HAVE WHAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST MONTH AND A HALF OR TWO MONTHS, I'M JUST VOTE TO REMOVE PEOPLE UNTIL LIKE WE GET, WE GET IT RIGHT. BECAUSE WHAT'S REALLY BOTHERED ME IS WE'VE GOT LIKE A MEETING TO GO. WE HAD TO KNOW THE VOTE OF PEOPLE AND THIS WEEK WE DIDN'T HAVE TO KNOW THE VOTE OF PEOPLE. AND SO WE'VE GOTTA GET TO A POINT TO WHERE, AND I THINK WHAT THAT IS, IS THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVING INFORMATION AND SOME PEOPLE NOT HAVING INFORMATION. AND THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE ALL GET IT SO THAT WE'RE NOT ALL WHAT WAS THE VOTE? WHY DID YOU GUYS NOT AGREE IT WASN'T UNANIMOUS? WHY WASN'T UNANIMOUS? USUALLY THEY'RE UNANIMOUS. I MEAN ALL THAT STUFF, IT'S A CIRCUS. AND TO ME, THESE OTHER CITIES THAT GO THROUGH AND THEY HAVE A SATURDAY MEETING AND THEY'RE MEETING WITH THE PEOPLE AND THEY JUST ASK REGULAR QUESTIONS. WHEN YOU'RE IN A GROUP, PEOPLE BEHAVE DIFFERENTLY. WHEN YOU'RE TWO OR THREE PEOPLE IN A MEETING WITH A BOARD CHAIR, THEY'RE ACTING DIFFERENTLY. AND SO I THINK IF IT IS A PUBLIC MEETING, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE COUNCIL MEMBERS ACT A LOT MORE MATURE. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE HAVING THE SHENANIGANS WE'VE BEEN HAVING WHERE, WHO DID YOU VOTE FOR? WHO DO YOU ALIGN WITH? WHAT'S YOUR POLITICAL AFFILIATION? ALL THESE DUMB QUESTIONS. WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN IN A, IN A, UH, LIKE A WORK SESSION. BUT I'M OKAY TRYING IT BECAUSE THEN IF ALL OF A SUDDEN ANOTHER APPLICANT SAYS, HEY, THEY BASICALLY QUIZZED ME. I SAID, I LIKED YOU AND NEXT THING I KNOW I WAS BEING SHOWN OUT THE DOOR. AND I'M LIKE, WELL THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE. THEN WE'LL JUST REMOVE THE PERSON ASKING THE QUESTION AND MAKE A BIG SCENE THEN. UM, AS LONG AS THERE'S A CHANGE. 'CAUSE WHAT'S NOT WORKING, IT DID WORK WELL LAST YEAR, I'M NOT GONNA LIE. IT WORKED WELL. BUT YOU'VE GOT SOME PEOPLE [02:35:01] THIS YEAR THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, ONE OF 'EM IS NOT HERE ANYMORE. UM, THEY WANTED TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY. AND SO YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH YOUR AMENDMENT BECAUSE WELL, WE CAN, WE, THERE'S STILL FLEXIBILITY TO CHANGE WHATEVER'S NOT WORKING. UM, WE GOTTA MAKE THIS MORE PROFESSIONAL. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I DON'T SIT ANY OF THESE MEETINGS. SO FOR ME, IT'S INTERESTING TO NOT SIT ANY OF THE MEETINGS AND, AND HAVE PEOPLE COME TO ME AND TELL ME WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEN SIT UP HERE AND TRY TO ASK LIKE, HEY, WHY, WHY DO YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS PERSON? AND THEY, THEY JUST LOOK AT YOU, THEY DON'T TALK. AND SO I'M LIKE, OKAY, WELL YOU'RE ON THE COMMITTEE AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA TALK. UM, SO THIS, THIS WAY WE CAN THEN JUST VOTE PEOPLE OFF UNTIL WE GET IT RIGHT. AND IT MAY JUST BE MAY JUST ME, GORDON AND ME GORDON AND ME AND DAN. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE MAY JUST BE GORDON. WELL, THE WAY HE'S SAYING IT WOULD TAKE OUT EVERYTHING AFTER THE FIRST SENTENCE, RIGHT? NO, I I LEFT THE LAST SENTENCE. YEAH, HE LEFT. HE LEFT. YEAH, HE NOW DO YOU LIKE THE AMENDMENT ? WELL, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS WANT, BUT I STILL WOULD ASK ME NOT BEING A PART OF THE PROCESS AT ALL. UM, JUST BE PREPARED FOR QUESTIONS. I MEAN, I WANNA KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE FOR NIKKI, I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AND I STILL NEVER HEARD WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS. ALL I HEARD WAS WE WANNA INTERVIEW SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT THAT'S NOT HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING IT. AND SO TO ME, IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PERSON, I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS BECAUSE I'M GONNA START PUSHING TO PUT THE PEOPLE ON YOU GUYS HAVE PROBLEMS WITH. AND UNTIL SOMEONE CAN TELL ME WHY YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. AND ON THE FLIP SIDE, I WANNA START KNOWING WHY YOU LIKE THE PEOPLE SO MUCH. BECAUSE IF THE PROCESS WAS MEANT TO BE ONCE A YEAR, THAT'S NOT WORKING EITHER BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE HAVING TO MEET LIKE EVERY MONTH. AND SO FOR SOME REASON SOMETHING'S NOT WORKING AND I DON'T KNOW 'CAUSE I'M NOT INVOLVED IN IT. SO I'M PICKING YOUR GUYS' WORD THAT IT'S, I GUESS THIS YEAR'S BOARD. THIS, THIS YEAR'S APPLE. WHAT IS IT? WHAT'S THIS THING CALLED THIS YEAR'S NOMINATING COMMITTEE? IT IS JUST TERRIBLE . BUT THEY HAD A HORRIBLE CHAIR AT FIRST, I CAN TELL YOU. YEAH. I MEAN HE SUCKED THE CURRENT OR HE WASN'T AS GOOD AS THE LAST ONE. I DON'T KNOW THE CURRENT. I SAID THE, THE, NOT THE CURRENT ONE. THE PREVIOUS WAS TERRIBLE. CURRENT ONE'S STILL OUT FOR JUDGMENT. OH GOOD. SO WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU . SO, OKAY, SO THE MOTION IS TO, UM, FOR THE AMENDMENT PUT FIVE, SIX, YOU SAID SEVEN AND EIGHT BACK IN. YEP. BUT THE CHANGE, THE FIRST SENTENCE OF SIX, UM, TO BE THAT THE NOMINATING COM THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE WILL CONSIST OF THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND IT WON'T CHANGE EVERY YEAR. RIGHT. THEY STAY IN PLACE UNTIL THE COUNCIL SAYS WE NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE. JU YEAH. JUST VOTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. CITY COUNCIL CAN CHOOSE TO CHANGE THAT. AND THE MAYOR DOES NOT SERVE A NOMINATED AND, AND THE CHAIR OF THE BORDER OF COMMISSION WHOSE VACANCY IS BEING CONSIDERED WOULD STILL BE PART OF THAT SENTENCE. THAT PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY IS GOOD FOR ME. 'CAUSE IT'S LIKE, HEY, I WENT THERE AND THEN YEAH, THE NEXT SENTENCE IS JUST DELETED ENTIRELY. AND THEN THE LAST SENTENCE STANDS. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT MOTION? IT'S, THERE'S AN ASK A CLARIFICATION. DID YOU WANNA KEEP THE MAYOR DOES NOT SERVE? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THIS THING WAS. I WANNA KEEP HIM OUT OF IT. THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD DOTY. DON'T TALK HIM INTO THAT. SO, UM, I HAD MENTIONED THAT I'D LIKE TO EXCLUDE ED, C AND L GCS ARE, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT BEING ADDED TO THE AMENDMENT? OH, I'M FINE WITH THAT. SO THOSE DON'T GO THROUGH. ALRIGHT, SO IN SEVEN WE'RE GONNA EXCLUDE HEDC AND LGC AND TS. AND IT'S THROUGHOUT, IT'S SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT. YEAH. SO ANY, ANY INSTANCES OF HEDC AND LGC AND TURS? WE, UH, WE REMOVED FROM THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE. YEAH. AND OLIVE F ALL THE WAY THROUGH, EVEN THROUGH THROUGH, UH, 13 AND EVEN 17, 15. YEAH. I IT'S ALL THROUGH THE ENTIRE, UH, THROUGH THE WHOLE DOCUMENT. MM-HMM . WELL F1 F. SO ARE YOU ACCEPTING HIS AMENDMENT, UH, TO YOUR MOTION THO? IT'S THORNTON'S UM, MOTION. YEAH. HE'S ACCEPTED YOU SAID, RIGHT? HE, HE AMENDED AND I ASKED HIM IF WE COULD ADD THIS ONE THING TO OUR AMENDMENT, A FRIENDLY, FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. BUT WAS HIS AMENDMENT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO YOUR MOTION? ARE YOU ACCEPTING IT? AND ARE YOU ACCEPTING IT? OH NO, NO. HIS WILL BE SEPARATE. HIS IS SEPARATE. OKAY. SO I NEED A SECOND ON HIS, THAT WAS GORDON. THAT WAS ME. OKAY. I WAS THE SECOND. YEAH. THIS IS WHY SHE GETS PAID A BIG BUCKS. YEAH. SHE HAS TO KEEP TRACK OF ALL THIS . ALRIGHT, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. MAYOR PRO TIM THORNTON. AYE. LOST COUNT AT SEVEN. MM-HMM . AMENDMENT PASSES THE SEVEN ZERO. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE UNDERLYING AMENDED MOTION NOW? [02:40:01] ALRIGHT, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. MAYOR PRO TIM THORNTON. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SIX ONE. UH, THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS. I'D LIKE TO GO TO ITEM 12. ONE NEXT, ACTUALLY, THAT MIGHT BE THE, NO, WE'VE GOT ONE MORE. OKAY. HEARING [12.1. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. 0-2025-028 amending Article 10.4 Fireworks, of the Code of Ordinances to exempt non-aerial fireworks, including ground based or handheld pyrotechnics except when drought conditions are declared. (Jeffrey Yarbrough) ] NONE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ORDINANCE NUMBER O DASH 20 25 0 2 8 AMENDING ARTICLE 10.4 FIREWORKS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO EXEMPT NON AERIAL FIREWORKS INCLUDING GROUND-BASED OR HANDHELD PYROTECHNICS EXCEPT WHEN DROUGHT CONDITIONS ARE DECLARED. AND WE HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE TO SPEAK. ALRIGHT, CHIEF CARWOOD, NOW I GOT YOU SET UP COUNSEL. I WOULD ASK TO SPEAK AFTER THE FIRE WASH. OKAY, WE'LL GO TO MR. WOODS. MR. MR. EVENING MAYOR. COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME, UH, SPEAK HERE THIS EVENING. UH, WHEN I FOUND OUT, UM, Y'ALL WERE PROPOSING A CHANGE TO EXEMPT THE, UH, NON AERIAL FIREWORKS, I WROTE A MEMO TO CHIEF KERRWOOD EXPRESSING SOME OF MY CONCERNS IN THE POSITION I SIT IN. MY GOAL IS TO WORK AS HARD AS I CAN TO KEEP THIS CITY AND ITS COMMUNITY CITIZENS AS SAFE AS I POSSIBLY CAN. COULD YOU MOVE THE MICROPHONE A LITTLE CLOSER? OH, THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE. IS THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER? YES. ALRIGHT, THERE WE GO. UM, SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST HIGHLIGHT SOME THINGS THAT WERE, UH, IN MY MEMO. I BELIEVE YOU ALL HAVE A COPY OF IT IN YOUR PACKET. UM, BUT, UH, LAST YEAR IN 2024, THERE WAS 19 FATALITIES THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH FIREWORKS. THERE WAS, UH, 14,741 INJURIES. UM, OF THOSE 14,000 INJURIES, UH, ALMOST 3,200 OF 'EM REQUIRED HOSPITALIZATION. UH, AFTER THAT THEY WERE ALL TREATED IN, IN THE EMERGENCY ROOMS AND FIREWORKS, UH, STARTED IN ESTIMATED 32,302. FIRES IN 2023 OF THOSE 3,760 WERE STRUCTURE FIRES. UM, AND ALL THESE FIRES ACCOUNTED FOR AN ESTIMATED 15 CIVILIAN DUSTS, 58 INJURIES, AND OVER $142 MILLION IN, UH, PROPERTY DAMAGE. AND ONLY 11% OF THE FIREWORKS FIRES WERE STRUCTURE FIRES. BUT THOSE FIRES ACCOUNTED FOR 77% OF THE DEATHS. UM, 83% OF THE INJURIES AND 88 OF THE DIRECT PROPERTY DAMAGE. AND, UH, CHILDREN UNDER 15 YEARS OF AGE ACCOUNTED FOR 32% OF THOSE ESTIMATED INJURIES. AND SO BASICALLY, UM, IF YOU FOLKS CHOOSE TO LIFT THE BAN ON THE FIREWORKS AND ALLOW SPARKLERS SOME OF THOSE OTHER NON AERIAL DEVICES, UM, I THINK THE ACTION WOULD NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS. AND THAT, THAT CONCERNS ME. AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT IS, SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE TREAT SPARKLERS LIKE THEIR TOYS. OH, HEY, HERE'S A COOL SPARKLER. GIVE IT TO LITTLE JOHNNY OR LITTLE JENNY HERE. GO PLAY WITH IT. AND THERE'S LITTLE TO NO ADULT SUPERVISION THERE. AND, AND SPARKLERS ACCOUNT FOR A LOT OF CHILDREN'S INJURIES AND SPARKLERS BURNED ANYWHERE DEPENDING ON THE SIZE AND TYPE OF SPARKLER, 1200 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT UP TO 2000 DEGREES, THAT'S HOT ENOUGH TO MELT SOME METALS. AND WE'RE LETTING LITTLE BILLY AND JOHN JOHNNY PLAY WITH THESE THINGS LIKE THEIR TOYS. I'M NOT AGAINST FIREWORKS, I JUST THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD KEEP THEM TO THE PROFESSIONALS. UM, HERE'S A COUPLE QUICK STATISTICS ABOUT SPARKLER INJURIES NATIONALLY. SPARKLERS ACCOUNTED FOR 1700 ER VISITS IN 2024. MOST OF THOSE INJURIES, 37% OF THOSE INJURIES WERE BURNS. AND WE KNOW PROBABLY THE, THE MOST FREQUENT, UH, BODY PARTS THAT ARE BURNED ARE GONNA BE THE HANDS THE FEET, KIDS DROPPING THEM ON THEIR FEET. THERE'S SOME EYE INJURIES INVOLVED WITH THAT AND SOME OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL. UM, IF THE BAN IS LIFTED ON FIREWORKS, I'M AFRAID THAT THE PUBLIC'S GONNA SAY, OH, HEY, GREAT. HOW TO LIFT, UH, UM, LIFTED, CHANGE THE ORDINANCE FOR FIREWORKS. THEY'RE NOW ALLOWED. SO I THINK WHAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA HEAR OUR FOLKS OUT THERE IS, HEY, THEY LIFTED THE FIREWORKS. LET'S GO GET THE BIGGEST, BADDEST, CRAZY FIREWORKS. WE CAN JUST START BUSTING THEM IN EVERYWHERE. THEY'RE NOT GONNA TAKE THE TIME TO SAY TO, UH, DO THE RESEARCH. OH, IT'S, [02:45:01] IT'S LIKE SPARKLERS AND NON AERIALS, UM, LESS POWERFUL ONES. I THINK THEY'RE JUST GONNA HEAR, BOOM, IT'S LIFTED, LET'S GO GET 'EM. AND I THINK ONCE YOU RELEASE THAT GENIE FROM THE BOTTLE, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GET IT BACK IN. AND THAT JEOPARDIZES AND COMPROMISES THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS. AND THAT'S A, A, A BIG CONCERN FOR ME. UM, ANOTHER ISSUE I HAVE THAT WE KNOW, WE'VE GOT A FEW SUBDIVISIONS EVERY YEAR WHERE WE GET MORE CALLS FOR FIREWORKS AND COMPLAINTS ABOUT 'EM. UM, AND THIS IS WITH THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE, NOTHING'S BEEN LIFTED. IT'S, IT'S LIKE A WAR ZONE IN SOME OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS OUT THERE. AND A CONCERN IS YOU'VE GOT SOMEONE SITTING IN THEIR HOUSE WATCHING TV. YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE OTHER FOLKS OUT THERE POPPING THESE FIREWORKS. ALL OF A SUDDEN A STRAY FIREWORK GOES, SOMEBODY'S SHOOTING A FIREWORK. THEY SHOULDN'T BE SHOOTING, START SOMEONE'S HOUSES ON FIRE. HOPEFULLY THEY GET OUT OF THE FIRE, THEY GET THEIR PETS OUT OF THE FIRE, NO ONE GETS INJURED, BUT MAYBE THEY LOSE THEIR HOUSE. I'M NOT SAYING HOPEFULLY THEY LOSE THEIR HOUSE. I'M SAYING IT'S A POSSIBILITY. BUT NOW THIS PERSON WHO DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH NONE OF THESE FIREWORKS, THEY'VE LOST THEIR HOUSE, THEY'VE LOST EVERYTHING INSIDE OF IT, THEY'VE GOTTA START ALL OVER AGAIN. INSURANCE PREMIUMS GO UP. THEY CAN'T GET THOSE IRREPLACEABLE SENTIMENTAL OBJECTS BACK THAT WERE IN THEIR HOUSE, PHOTOGRAPHS, VIDEOS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND THEY WEREN'T EVEN INVOLVED IN NONE OF IT. THEY'VE GOTTA START ALL OVER AGAIN. UH, IN MY RESEARCH, I I, I COULDN'T FIND ANY, ANY INCORPORATED CITY IN TEXAS THAT, THAT HAS LIFTED THIS BAN. UM, I FOUND A COUPLE IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT STATES, UM, ONE STATE IN PARTICULAR THAT HAS LIFTED A BAN ON, ON FIREWORKS. THEY HAD A, AN ELDERLY WOMAN WHOSE HOUSE CAUGHT ON FIRE DUE TO FIREWORKS. SHE GOT TRAPPED INSIDE AND SHE DIDN'T MAKE IT. UH, SHE PASSED AWAY. SO THEY'RE ACTIVELY REVISITING THIS POLICY TO CHANGE IT, TO PUT THE BAND BACK IN PLACE AND JUST LEAVE THE FIREWORKS TO THE PROFESSIONALS. HERE'S A, HERE'S A HEADLINE TO THINK ABOUT. TRAGEDY STRIKES HU FAMILY DIES IN A HOUSE FIRE THAT'S RELATED OR WAS CAUSED BY FIREWORKS. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WANT THAT HEADLINE TO BE IN HU I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU WOULD WANT TO BEAR THE WEIGHT OF THAT KNOWING THAT IF YOU VOTED YES THAT POSSIBLY YOU, YOU MAYBE HAD SOME SORT OF INDIRECT EFFECT TO MAKE THIS HEADLINE POSSIBLE. I DON'T, I JUST DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BEAR THAT WEIGHT. I KNOW I MOST CERTAINLY WOULDN'T AND THAT'S A HEADLINE I WOULD NEVER LOOK, WANNA SEE IN THIS COMMUNITY AT ALL. AND, UM, WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, UM, I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT, CAN'T SUPPORT THIS. UM, I JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY CONCERNS. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME FOR LETTING ME SPEAK AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL FOLKS MAY HAVE. THANKS SIR. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHIEF KERRWOOD. GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. I'D LIKE TO ECHO MANY OF THE THINGS THE FIRE MARSHAL SAID. WE SUPPORT THE CITY. WHEN YOU HAVE THESE REGULAR SHOWS, THOSE ARE SHOWS FOR FIREWORKS WHERE A LOT OF PLANNING GOES INTO IT. WE PLAN WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, WE PLAN WITH, UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE PLAN WITH WHOEVER ELSE MIGHT BE OUT THERE, BUT THEY'RE PLANNED EVENTS BY PROFESSIONALS, NOT OUR KIDS, OUR GRANDKIDS GOING OUT AND SHOOTING. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE SEEN LOTS OF ORDINANCES COME THROUGH THIS COUNCIL OR COME FROM THE DAIS IN OVER 16 YEARS. AND THIS BY FAR WOULD HAVE TO BE THE WORST ORDINANCE THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN COME FROM COUNCIL 'CAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL SAFETY THAT IT, SAFETY ISSUES THAT IT CREATES ON THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF HU YOU ALL CLAIM THAT YOU ARE HERE FOR THE CITIZENS TO LOOK OUT FOR THEIR SAFETY, TO HELP PD LOOK OUT FOR THEIR SAFETY. IF YOU UNLEASH FIREWORKS IN THE CITY, YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS. YOUR CITY STAFF DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT THE CITIZENS IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE SAFE. [02:50:01] BUT YOUR CITY STAFF ALSO, I KNOW HAS TO FOLLOW WHATEVER ORDINANCE YOU PASS. AND THEY HAVE TO THEN PROMOTE THAT. GOING BACK TO THE HEADLINE THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL JUST SAID, I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HEADLINE, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HEADLINE, BUT WE'RE NOT BOUND BY THE SAME RULES THAT THE CITY STAFF IS. WE CAN SAY TO THE NEWS MEDIA, THOSE THINGS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED HAD THE CITY COUNCIL NOT PASSED THIS. THIS ORDINANCE, YOUR ORDINANCE THAT YOU HAVE IS WORKING, AND I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HEAR INFORMATION FROM THE POLICE CHIEF, I KNOW YOU HAVE INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET WHERE STAFF IS OPPOSED TO THIS. I WOULD URGE YOU TO LISTEN TO YOUR STAFF, LISTEN TO THE PROFESSIONALS NOT DO SOMETHING BECAUSE A POLITICAL OR OR A CONSTITUENT HAS ASKED YOU TO MAKE A CHANGE BECAUSE IT'S CONVENIENT FOR THEM OR CONVENIENT FOR THEIR CHILDREN OR FOR THEIR GRANDCHILDREN. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE AND DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE ENTIRE, UM, CITY OF HUDU QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANKS SIR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, CHIEF, YOU YOU WANNA TALK? UH, NO SIR, I'M HERE JUST IN CASE YOU HAVE A QUESTIONS. I'M, I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM CHIEF IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE. YEAH, IF YOU WANNA, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM CHIEF, UH, THE QUESTIONS I WOULD POSE IS, UH, IS WANTED YOUR OPINION, WHICH IS, UH, AN EXPERIENCE OFFICER, YOURS, YOUR CHIEF AND ASSISTANT CHIEF AND Y'S YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, OPINION ABOUT SOMETHING. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS THAT MORE SPECIFICALLY IS HOW DOES THIS DO FOR THE CALLS, HOW DOES IT DO FOR YOUR PATROL OFFICERS? HOW DOES IT DO FOR DISPATCH, UH, WHAT, WHAT IMPACT DID THIS HAVE WITH AND WITHOUT THE ORDINANCE BAN OR AGAIN, AN OPINION ON THAT. BUT, SO I'LL ASK THE SECOND QUESTION. I MEAN, THE FIRST QUESTION SECOND, BUT THE FIRST QUESTION IS, IS WHAT IS, WHAT IS THIS GONNA DO? HOW'S THIS GONNA IMPACT YOUR OFFICERS, YOUR PATROL, YOUR DISPATCH, AND, AND JUST UH, YOUR CALLS? YES, SIR. JEFF YARBOROUGH, CHIEF OF POLICE HUDDLE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, TO YOUR QUESTION IS VERY VALID QUESTION. AND RIGHT NOW, UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, ANYTIME A CALL FOR FIREWORKS THAT ARE BEING FIRED IN OUR CITY, OUR OFFICERS ARE GOING TO RESPOND AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF OFFICERS WORKING AT, UH, ANY GIVEN, UH, TIMEFRAME, IF THERE ARE, IF THERE ARE FIREWORKS THAT ARE GOING OFF, HOWEVER MANY CALLS YOU'RE GETTING, OFFICERS ARE GOING TO INVESTIGATE AND INQUIRE ABOUT THOSE THINGS. AND, AND I JUST WANNA QUALIFY IT. FIRST, WE SUPPORT AND VALUE, UH, CELEBRATION. UM, WE THINK THAT THERE ARE THROUGH EXPERIENCES, LIMITATIONS THAT GO ON CERTAIN TYPES OF CELEBRATIONS THAT WE DO FOR THE SAFETY AND THE WELLNESS OF ALL. SO WHEN WE HAVE SITUATIONS AND SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE, IF WE PASS THIS ORDINANCE AND WE EXEMPT NON AERIAL, SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED AND WE'VE BEEN PREPARED FOR ARE THOSE CONCERNS WHERE PEOPLE MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. AND THEY SAY, WELL, WE HEAR THAT THERE ARE FIREWORKS, UH, ALLOWED. AND SO FIREWORKS ARE ALLOWED UNTIL OFFICERS GO AND RESPOND. AND IF FIREWORKS ARE BEING PARKED POPPED IN THE BACKYARD, IF YOU'VE GOT BLACK CATS GOING OFF AND THE NEIGHBOR'S HEARING THOSE THINGS, ARE THEY ABLE TO DELINEATE BETWEEN WHAT'S AERIAL AND WHAT'S NOT AND HOW HIGH IS AERIAL? AND SO NOW WHAT HAPPENS TYPICALLY IS ANYTIME OUR OFFICERS ARE GETTING THOSE CALLS, THE PRIORITY, UH, ARE OF RESPONSES ARE MEASURED, AND IT, AND THEN WE'RE DETERMINING WHAT CALLS DO WE GO TO IF WE'VE GOT THIS CALL WAITING AND WE'RE CLOSE TO THIS CALL ABOUT THE FIREWORKS. NOW WE'RE HAVING TO DIVERT TO THESE. SO IT DOES ADD AN ADDITIONAL, UH, RESPONSE, UH, CHALLENGE FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS. THE, THE NEXT QUESTION, OPINION. AND, UM, AS WRITTEN, DO YOU FAVOR THIS ORDINANCE AT THIS TIME? UM, AS THE POLICE CHIEF AND AS A PUBLIC SAFETY EXPERT? I DO NOT, FROM MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, FAVOR THIS ORDINANCE. THANK YOU. UH, I'LL HAVE TO SAY THAT I CONCUR WITH OUR POLICE CHIEFS, OUR FIRE MARSHAL, AND OUR FIRE CHIEF. AND I WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR THIS ORDINANCE. AND, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT TO YOUR, UH, FOR THE QUESTIONS. AND TO YOUR POINT, WHETHER WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE OR NOT IN PLACE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME PEOPLE IN A COMMUNITY THAT ARE GOING TO DO THAT ANYWAY. [02:55:01] MM-HMM . AND SO THAT IS WHAT TRIGGERS US GOING OUT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THROUGH EDUCATION, SPEAKING TO THEM AND TRYING TO GET THEM THROUGH VERBAL, UM, WARNINGS. AND IF ALL ELSE FAILS, WE WRITE CITATIONS. AND THAT'S SO THAT, THAT GIVES US THAT. BUT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT I THINK PEOPLE TEND TO OVERLOOK, ESPECIALLY IF WE OPEN THE BOX FOR IT AND SAY LATER WE DECIDE NOT TO DO IT. NOW, HOW DO POLICE GO AND REIGN THAT IN? BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK PEOPLE MISS IS THE TRAUMATIC IMPACT THAT IT HAS ON VETERANS. UM, WE HAVE MANY VETERANS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND SOME OF THOSE DAYS ARE SOME OF THEIR HARDEST DAYS, AS WELL AS ANIMALS WHO ARE, WHO ARE SUBJECTED TO THE LOUD NOISES AND THE BANGS. UM, SO IF WE OPEN THAT, UH, OPPORTUNITY UP FOR MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, THE QUESTION NOW BECOMES HOW DO WE LIMIT THE SCOPE OF THAT FROM ? WHAT IS AERIAL AND WHAT'S NON AERIAL? AND HOW WE CAN ALLOW FINDING THAT BALANCE, I THINK IS A CHALLENGE. CHIEF, I, I COULD, OH, SORRY. I, I CONCUR. AND I THINK IT WAS FIRE CHIEF THAT SAID ABOUT, WELL, PEOPLE GO IN AND BUY A BUNDLE OF THIS, BUT NOW THIS BUNDLE INCLUDES ALL THESE OTHER THINGS I'M THINKING ABOUT. THE WORD GETS OUT, HUDDLE CITY LIMITS IS FAIR GAME. WE'VE NOW OPENED UP A 25 MILE RADIUS FOR EVERYONE TO COME HERE TO POP FIREWORKS. LEGALLY WE'VE HAD THE SAME DISCUSSION. I DEFER, UM, CHIEF LOOKING AT THIS ITEM WHENEVER IT CAME, I WAS A LITTLE SHOCKED BECAUSE IN DOING MY RESEARCH MUCH TO, UH, FIRE MARSHAL WOODS, I DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF, UH, TEXAS CITIES LIFTING A BAN ON FIREWORKS. UM, LOOKING OVER THE, UH, INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED BY FIRE MARSHAL WOODS AND, UH, CHIEF KERRWOOD, THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THAT. YOU KNOW, I'M SEEING A LOT OF, UH, UM, A LOT OF RESIDENTS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT THE LIST, I'M SEEING A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY I COULD THINK OF ONE HOUSE FIRE THAT WAS RESPONDED TO BY, UM, HU FIRE. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, IT WAS SOMETHING I DIDN'T WANNA EXPERIENCE FOR MY FAMILY. MM-HMM . AND SO, UM, LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCE, I THINK YOU'RE COMPLETELY CORRECT. YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN CONSTITUTES AS AERIAL, HOW HIGH CAN IT GO? OH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT FUNDING, FROM WHAT I'M SEEING IN OUR BUDGET PROCESS, WE'RE NOT FUNDING FOUR OFFICERS. SO TAKING OFFICERS AWAY TO RESPOND TO MULTIPLE CALLS ABOUT FIREWORKS, UM, AND PROVIDING THAT EDUCATION WHEN UPON ARRIVAL. UM, BECAUSE HU POLICE DEPARTMENT IS VERY EDUCATIONAL BEFORE ACTION, WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATE BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTS THAT NEED THAT EDUCATION. AND IF THEY KNEW THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE DOING THE THINGS THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, WERE DOING. AND SO HAVING OFFICERS RESPOND, OFFICERS THAT ARE IN SHORT SUPPLY, UM, PROVIDING EDUCATION, BUT THEN BEING CALLED TO ANOTHER SITE, UM, FOR THE SAME ISSUE, I COULD SEE THAT BECOMING A HUGE CATASTROPHE IN OUR TOWN. UM, SO FOR THAT, WITH THE INFORMATION COUPLED, PROVIDED BY CHIEF WOODS AND CHIEF KERRWOOD, UM, I WON'T BE VOTING FOR THIS, AND I THANK YOU ALL THREE OF YOU GENTLEMEN, ALL FOUR OF YOU GENTLEMEN, FOR PROVIDING YOUR INPUT AND YOUR EXPERTISE IN THIS. AS WE, AS CHIEF KERRWOOD SAID, WE ARE UP HERE TO ENSURE PUBLIC SAFETY MM-HMM . AND, UM, I DON'T SEE THIS AS BEING RESPONSIBLE STEWARDS OF PUBLIC SAFETY IN THE CITY OF HU. SO THANK YOU GENTLEMEN FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. YES, SIR. AND TO YOUR POINT, AGAIN, WE SUPPORT AND UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE WANT TO CELEBRATE AND HOW THEY, HOW THEY WANT TO, UH, CELEBRATE IN THAT MANNER. BUT ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I ALWAYS CAUTION PEOPLE, THINGS SEEM SAFE UNTIL THEY'RE NOT CORRECT, AND WHEN THEY'RE NOT, WHAT IS THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT, UH, INNOCENT ACT? AND THEN SOMETIMES YOU'LL GET THOSE THAT MAY NOT BE SO INNOCENT TIMES HAVE CHANGED, CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE CHANGED. THERE WAS A TIME WHEN WE USED TO POP BLACK CAT FIREWORKS IN OUR FINGERS, . AND, YOU KNOW, YOU LEARN FROM THAT. AND THERE WERE TIMES WHEN YOU'D FIRE THINGS IN THE AIR OR YOU'D USE THE JUMPERS, WHICH SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT CONSIDER TO BE AERIAL BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING THAT HIGH. BUT A FAMILY MEMBER OF MINE SET A FIELD ON FIRE WITH ONE OF THOSE THINGS. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU LEARN FROM POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE EXPERIENCES, AND YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATIONS ON WHAT'S BEST FOR A COMMUNITY, UH, UH, LIKE OURS. I THINK YOU, YOU CHIEF, AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY FOR COMING TO THIS. UM, LEMME ASK YOU THIS. SO YOU HAD 104 CALLS IN 2024 IN 61 AND [03:00:01] 2025. HOW MANY TICKETS WHEN THERE'S A CALL, WHAT MAKES A PERSON GET A TICKET AND WHAT MAKES 'EM NOT GET TICKET? LIKE, WE LOOKED IT UP, WHETHER THERE HAVE BEEN 104 TICKETS ISSUED IN 2024. UM, THERE WERE, THERE WERE 104 CALLS, UM, OUT OF THAT, I THINK THERE WAS APPROXIMATELY SIX CITATIONS FOR THOSE THAT REFUSED TO COMPLY. BUT SO ON THE, ON THE ORDINANCE, IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE SHOOTING THEM OFF, YOU BROKE THE LAW, RIGHT? YOU CAN, YOU CAN WRITE A CITATION, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT A, A 10-YEAR-OLD KID STANDING OUT IN FRONT OF THEIR FAMILY, AND THAT WAS THE INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS DOING IT, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO WRITE, YOU KNOW, HEY, LOOK, YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS HERE. AND IF THEY WE'RE SORRY, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WAYS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE DAYS OF CELEBRATION, WE DEFINITELY LOOK AT IT LIKE WE'RE POLICING OUR FAMILY. AND, YOU KNOW, COMING OUT OF THE CAR WITH YOUR TICKET BOOK AND WRITING THIS PERSON A CITATION BECAUSE THEIR 12-YEAR-OLD WAS, WAS CELEBRATING MAY NOT ALWAYS BE THE BEST APPROACH. SOMETIMES IT IS. BUT OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO EDUCATE PEOPLE AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO REALIZE, UH, THE IMPLICATIONS OF IT AND HOW IT'S NOT ALLOWED HERE. AND SOME PEOPLE, WE'VE, WE'VE APPROACHED THAT SIMPLY DID NOT KNOW, UH, THEY WERE NEW TO HU AND DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS, UH, A VIOLATION. SO THE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY IS SOMETHING THAT WE USE AS THE DRIVER TO GET PEOPLE TO COMPLY. SURE. SO I SHARE ALL Y'ALL'S CONCERNS. ACTUALLY HAD A FRIEND, UM, THE, THE POPS, THERE'S ACTUALLY A, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL 'EM. THERE'S ANOTHER POPPER A LITTLE BIT STRONGER. IT'S IN A STYROFOAM CONTAINER. MM-HMM. AND WHEN THEY FIRST CAME OUT, THEY PUT 'EM IN A FISH BOWL AND EVERYBODY WAS COMING, AND KIDS WERE GRABBING HANDFULS OF THEM. AND, AND THEY SOUND LIKE BLACK CATS. AND THEN, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD THE GIRL WAS, UM, BUT MY FRIEND'S NIECE WENT IN TO GRAB A HANDFUL AND IT WENT OFF. BUT BECAUSE IT WAS A GIANT BOWL, IT, IT BLEW THE CABINETS OFF THE WALLS. IT BLEW THE GLASS OUTTA A SLIDING GLASS DOOR. AND SHE LOST HER HAND AND, AND WAS SEVERELY INJURED. THAT WAS ON A POPPER. SO I'M TOTALLY BEHIND EVERYTHING WHERE THIS STARTED, AND I'M NOT, I NEVER MIND BRINGING AN ITEM UP BECAUSE TO ME, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE LAWS ON THE BOOK AND WE SAY, WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENS. THIS GUY SAID, UH, MAYOR SNYDER, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE HU CITY ORDINANCE MAKE IT UNLAWFUL TO USE FIREWORKS DURING THE JULY 4TH AND THE NEW YEAR EVE. CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE HISTORY BEHIND THIS EXTREMELY PROHIBITIVE LAW? I WAS SURPRISED WHEN I FOUND THIS OUT, HAVING COME FROM OUTTA STATE WHERE NO SUCH PROHIBITION EXISTED. AND WHAT I SAID WAS, THANKS FOR EMAILING. I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG IT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS, BUT OTHER THAN THIS YEAR, WE TYPICALLY HAVE GONE SINCE MID-MAY WITHOUT RAIN. AND THE FIRE HAZARD HAS BEEN TOO GREAT OF A RISK. WHEN I MOVED HERE, I THOUGHT THE SAME THING. HAVING GROWN UP IN MISSOURI, WE HAD SEVERAL COMMUNITIES WHERE FIREWORKS WERE LEGAL. BUT THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT OUR AREA IS THAT THE HOMES ARE BUILT MUCH CLOSER TOGETHER THAN THEY WERE IN MISSOURI. SOME OF OUR HOMES ARE 10 FEET APART. YES, SIR. SO FOR ME, WITH HOW CLOSE OUR HOMES ARE BUILT AND THE CONSTANT DROUGHT, FIRE ISSUES WE DEAL WITH EACH SUMMER, IT'S NEVER REALLY COME UP AS HAVING VERY MANY PEOPLE WANTING IT CHANGED, HAPPY TO LOOK AT REVISIONS. AND THAT'S WHEN THEY SAID, HEY, BASICALLY THEY FIND IT UNBELIEVABLE. YOU CAN'T DO A SPARKLER. AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, I HEAR YOU THERE, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, SPARKLER AND THE NEXT GUY AND THE NEXT GUY THEN AND, AND ALL THAT. AND THERE'S SOME SPARKLER THERE, YOU KNOW, FOUR FEET LONG. YES, SIR. BUT THE PROBLEM I HAVE EACH YEAR, AND IT'S NOT, I'M NOT FAULTING YOU ALL BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA FIND YOU GUYS TO HAVE A HUNDRED PEOPLE ON DUTY. YES, SIR. BUT WE HEARD FROM CHIEF WOODS, IT'S LIKE A WAR ZONE IN SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND SO WE'RE GIVING SIX CITATIONS OUT. AND I DON'T MIND BEING THE PARTY GUY, AND I DON'T MIND ARGUING WITH ANYBODY AND BEING THE BAD GUY. UH, KIND OF RELISH IT, IF YOU WILL. BUT I THINK SOMETHING, WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING AS A CITY. IF WE'RE GONNA BAN 'EM, YOU GOTTA BAN 'EM. YOU CAN'T BAN 'EM AND EDUCATE AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE KIDS USING DRUGS. I MEAN, IF YOU SEE A 14-YEAR-OLD DOING AN ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE, DO YOU EDUCATE 'EM OR DO YOU, WELL, YOU BROKE THE LAW AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES. SO I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT I HEAR FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE EACH YEAR IS, NOBODY FOLLOWS THE RULES AND THE POLICE AREN'T DOING ENOUGH. I THINK THE ISSUE IS THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE DOING THEM. MM-HMM . WE CAN'T POLICE IT ALL. SO WHEN I HEAR THAT THERE'S FIRES AND ALL THAT, I, I DOWNPLAY SOME OF THAT. 'CAUSE I THINK SOME OF THAT'S AERIAL, BUT I DON'T DISMISS IT. BUT I'M LIKE, LIKE COUNCILOR THOMPSON SAID, WE HAD A HOUSE CATCH ON FIRE, BUT IT'S ILLEGAL. SO I DON'T CARE IF WE MAKE 'EM LEGAL OR NOT. WHAT I WANNA KNOW IS HOW IS A COMMUNITY, DO WE JUST NOT HAVE THEM? THEY'RE GONNA KEEP SELLING 'EM ACROSS THE CITY LINE. I DON'T WANT YOU COMING UP AND SAYING, HEY, I NEED, YOU KNOW, 50 L FTES BECAUSE YOU GUYS SAID, NO FIREWORKS. THERE'S NONE. BUT I THINK AT SOME POINT WE PUT UP SIGNS EVERYWHERE. I THINK AT SOME POINT WE GOTTA HAVE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LIKE A CITIZENS ON PATROL AND THEY WERE ABLE TO COME AND DO THE SAME THING. BUT TO ME, WE HAD TO BE MORE ENFORCEFUL OF THE SITUATION. BECAUSE AGAIN, RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE COMPLAINING ALL THE TIME, MY DOG'S GOING CRAZY. I GET MY DOG SHUT. IT IS. AND [03:05:01] I'M LIKE, I DON'T, THEY'RE ILLEGAL, BUT WHAT DO YOU DO? AND YOU CALL THE POLICE. AND I'M LIKE, MEANWHILE, I WON'T SEE HOW MANY OF YOU'RE WORKING ON A SHIFT, BUT YOU'RE WORKING ON A SHIFT. THERE'S DUIS GOING ON. 'CAUSE THESE PEOPLE DON'T DO THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, SOBER. SO THEY'RE DRINKING, THEY'RE DRIVING, YOU GOT THE REGULAR STUFF GOING ON. AND SO I'M LIKE, UM, BUT ANYWAY, I ALWAYS AM WILLING TO BRING STUFF UP BECAUSE TO ME IT'S EASY TO GO BACK TO PEOPLE AND SAID, WE HAD A DISCUSSION AND THE DISCUSSION, UM, WE'RE NOT WILLING TO CHANGE IT. BUT IN FACT, BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT THE DISCUSSION UP, WHAT I'M HOPING IS THE COUNCIL WON'T ENFORCE A LITTLE BIT HARDER, SCREW THE, THE SCREWS A LITTLE BIT TIGHTER AND, AND REALLY MAKE IT BE KNOWN. UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE WAR ZONES. THEY INVITE ME OVER THERE AND I'M LIKE, THERE'S NO WAY IN HELL I'M GONNA THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. BECAUSE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE POLICE PULLED UP MM-HMM . AND SAW ME SITTING THERE ENJOYING MYSELF WATCHING A FIREWORKS SHOW. THAT WAS ILLEGAL. THAT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK. YES. TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR. AND, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I WANNA, I WANNA QUALIFY IT AND PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE TOO. WHEN IT COMES TO THE SIX CITATIONS, ONE THING THAT PEOPLE MAY NOT REALIZE WHEN THEY HEAR THAT NUMBER, THEY'RE THINKING, WELL, POLICE AREN'T DOING ANYTHING. THE REALITY IS NOT ONLY ARE WE HAVING TO GET THE CALL, BUT WE'RE HAVING TO CATCH THEM DOING IT. BECAUSE IF WE, IF WE GET THERE AND THEY'RE NOT DOING IT ANYMORE, NUMBER ONE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO DID IT. YOU JUST KNOW THAT IT HAPPENED THERE. AND MANY TIMES WHEN YOU'RE THERE AND YOU, YOU REALIZE THAT NO ONE, THAT YOU CAN'T IDENTIFY WHO WAS DOING IT 'CAUSE YOU DIDN'T CATCH 'EM IN THAT. THEN YOU HEAR TWO STREETS OVER. NOW THE OFFICERS ARE DIVERTING TO THERE. SO OUT OF THE, THE A HUNDRED PLUS CALLS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THOUGH ABOUT THAT THERE WERE SELF-INITIATED RESPONSES THAT OFFICERS MADE AS WELL. BUT AGAIN, WHEN IT'S GOING OFF SO RAMPANT OR IF IT'S GOING OFF IN THE BACKYARD, YOUR PERCENTAGE OF CATCHING THOSE PEOPLE ACTUALLY DOING IT DIMINISHES. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY SEE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMING DOWN THE STREETS AND PEOPLE DISPERSE OR THEY, THEY CLUSTER AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THE, WHO THE ACTUAL PERSON WAS. SO IT MAKES IT VERY CHALLENGING FOR POLICE TO DETERMINE WHO IS THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR ACTUALLY IGNITING THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, FIREWORK. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CONSIDER AS WELL UNDERSTAND CHALLENGE, I JUST, FOR ME, LESS EDUCATION. WHEN YOU CATCH A PERSON, IF IT'S A 10-YEAR-OLD KID, YOU TICKET THE PARENTS, I MEAN, NO DIFFERENT. RATHER THAN IF THE 10-YEAR-OLD KID'S GOT AN OPEN CONTAINER, YOU DON'T SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR KID DRINKING A BEER LIKE THAT. YOU'RE LIKE, NO, YOU'RE GETTING A TICKET. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. I THINK SOMETIMES THERE'S, THERE'S TIMES TO BE NICE, LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS, BUT 60 MILES AN HOUR AND 45 OR WHATEVER, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ON THE EDGE SCHMIDT ANYMORE. MM-HMM . UM, BUT THEN I THINK THERE'S TIMES LIKE THIS. THE ONLY OTHER THING I'D SAY IS WE, WE HAD THIS ORDINANCE POP UP. SOME BOY SCOUTS WANTED TO SHOOT OFF SOME MODEL ROCKETS. AND IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, JAMES W RIGHT. THIS ORDINANCE PROHIBITED THAT. AND SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING I'D LIKE CHANGE IN IT, IT SAID THE CITY MANAGER CAN APPROVE CERTAIN THINGS BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND, THE CITY MANAGER CAN EVEN APPROVE THEM SHOOTING OFF MODEL ROCKETS. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY WENT. THEY WENT RIGHT OUTSIDE THE ETJ OR, YOU KNOW MM-HMM. UM, THAT, SO LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT, I DON'T WANNA, I, I DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, I DON'T NECESSARILY MIGHT HAVE SPARKLES WENT OFF, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S A SPARKLER TODAY. AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU GOT SOME GUY GOING, IT'S A SMOKE BOMB. AND THEN BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, IT'S, I LET OFF THE, UH, THE, THE CORONA, UH, FIREWORKS DISPLAY. AND I THOUGHT IT WAS, I THOUGHT I WAS IN THE COUNTY, I DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . SO I DO GET ALL THAT. AND MARY, JUST, JUST FOR CLARITY, YOU SAID MODEL ROCKETS, THE, THE KIND LIKE YOU CRAFT A MODEL ROCKET AND THEY SHOOT IT UP AND IT HAS A LITTLE PARACHUTE COMES DOWN. YEAH. YOU MIGHT'VE BEEN ON LEAVE. NOT, NOT BOTTLE ROCKET, WHICH IS THE YEAH, NO MODEL. IT, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN, UH, YOU MIGHT'VE BEEN ON LEAD, BUT THERE WAS A BOY SCOUT TROOP THERE WORKING ON THEIR ROCKET BACK. OH, I'M TRACKING. YEAH. OKAY. I I DID THAT WHEN I WAS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL. SAME THING. BUT THEY WENT TO SHOOT 'EM OFF AT ADAM OR GAME, THEY HAD THE PERMIT TO DO IT. EVERYTHING WAS GOOD. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMEONE, I THINK IT WAS JEFF SAID, OH, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE FORGOT YOU CAN'T SHOOT OFF ANYTHING AERIAL. AND THEY'RE LIKE, YOU CAN'T SHOW OFF A MODEL ROCKET. AND IT WAS LIKE, NO, IT'S AGAINST THE LAW. AND SO, UM, YEAH, THAT'D BE FINE WITH ME. I DON'T, LITTLE THING LIKE THAT WHERE I'M LIKE, IF YOU SEE IT LIKE, LIKE YOU GUYS ARE, AND USUALLY THEY CONTACT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT 'CAUSE YOU SEE THESE THINGS AND HEY, CAN YOU HAVE SOMEONE CLOSE BY OR HEADS UP WE'RE GONNA BE SHOOTING THESE OFF. UM, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING IS I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW. SOMETIMES PEOPLE BRING THIS STUFF UP AND YOU GO, YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE'S A REASON WE DON'T ALLOW CERTAIN THINGS. IT'S A DISCUSSION AND THEN WE CAN REINFORCE WITH THE PUBLIC AND THEN MAYBE GIVE YOU THE RESOURCES TO BE MORE ENFORCEFUL. UM, YOU KNOW, ON THAT, MAYOR, LET ME DO, UH, YOU, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING AND, AND, UM, I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED IT. AND THAT'S ON THE EDUCATION FROM AS FAR AS SIGNAGE AND WE'VE WORKED WITH HU PD FOR YEARS AND YEARS. WE GO OUT AND WE PUT SIGNS OUT PRIOR TO THE NEW YEAR, PRIOR TO 4TH OF JULY, WE GET 'EM OUT. THAT'S YOU GUYS PUTTING THEM OUT? WE PUT THOSE OUT. OH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS CITY STAFF . WELL, THANK YOU. WE, WE HAVE, WE, WE'VE BEEN TAKING THE CREDIT FOR ALL THAT TIME. THAT'S . OH YEAH. OKAY. SO WE'RE CUTTING OF HIS BUDGET. WE'RE GONNA THROW SOME MONEY TOWARDS YOU. GLAD I KNOW WHO [03:10:02] YEAH. . SO . SO, UH, NO, BUT CITY PROVIDE CITY PROVIDES THOSE WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY ARE, WE REPLENISH 'EM. BUT HERE'S SOMETHING INTERESTING ABOUT THAT IS WE'LL PUT THOSE OUT. WE'LL GO TO NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE'LL PUT THEM OUT. YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED AT THE NUMBER OF SIGNS THAT DISAPPEAR. I CAN IMAGINE. OR THEY GET PICKED UP AND THROWN INTO A DITCH. WHAT DO WE DO? WE GO BACK, WE PICK 'EM UP AGAIN. NOW WE'VE LEARNED OVER THE YEARS TO KEEP TRACK OF WHICH SUBDIVISIONS WE PUT 'EM IN SO THAT THEY'RE NOT STILL UP THREE MONTHS LATER. BUT THAT'S A PARTNERSHIP THAT WE'VE HAD WITH HU PD OVER ALL THESE YEARS. AND THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO TO GET THAT EDUCATION PIECE OUT THERE. I APPRECIATE THAT. WOULD BOTH OF YOU GUYS, UH, UH, BE OKAY WITH THE CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWED THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN OFF ON? BASICALLY THESE ARE THE RULES, UNLESS THE CITY MANAGER SAYS OTHERWISE ON SOMETHING TO ALLOW SOMEONE TO SHOOT OFF MODEL SPECIFICALLY FOR A MODEL ROCKET. WELL, I MEAN, IN MY MIND, HE'S NOT GONNA LET SOMEONE SHOOT OFF A FIREWORK SHOW IN THE FRONT YARD. BUT, UM, I WOULD ASK THAT WE INVOLVE THE FIRE MARSHAL IN THAT SINCE HE'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE CODES. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. 'CAUSE THERE'S A SEPARATE MODEL, ROCKET CODE VERSUS THE ORDINANCE. AND WE WOULD WANT TO READ IN DETAIL WHETHER OR NOT IT DOES IN THE FIREWORKS ORDINANCE ADDRESS MODEL ROCKETS OR AERIAL FIREWORKS. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN THAT. I'M, I'M READING IT AND IT DOESN'T INCLUDE, IT DOESN'T SAY MODEL ROCKETS. YEAH. WHEN IT DEFINES FIREWORKS. YEAH. IT, IT DEFINES IT, IT SAYS SKYROCKETS, WHICH, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, IT SAYS BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT INCLUDES ARTICLES OR SUBSTANCES TYPICALLY CALLED A FIREWORK. YEAH. MODEL ROCKETS AREN'T TYPICALLY REFERRED TO AS FIRE. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT OUR ORDINANCE TODAY ACTUALLY PROHIBITS MODEL ROCKETS. AND THERE ARE DON'T ARE PARTICULAR, UM, NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION CODES, NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION THAT GOVERN FIREWORKS AND THOSE THAT GOVERN MODEL ROCKETS. SO IF IT WAS, AND WITH MODEL ROCKETS, YOU JUST HAVE THE, THE ROCKET ENGINE THAT IGNITES TO, TO SHOOT IT STRAIGHT UP. SO IF IT WAS A CHANGE UPON CITY MANAGER'S APPROVAL AND THE FIRE MARSHAL SIGN OFF ON THE PERMIT APPLICATION, THEN THAT WOULD MAKE IT OKAY FOR YOU GUYS. RIGHT. BECAUSE THEN IF HE DID GET OUTSIDE OF WHAT HE SHOULD BE DOING, THE SECOND PART IS HFD HAS TO SIGN OFF ON IT TOO. AND IF THEY DON'T SIGN OFF ON IT, YOU DON'T GET A PERMIT. I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT IT'S OKAY TILL I ASK THE FIRE MARSHAL TO LOOK AT IT AND THEN HE CAN, I MEAN MEAN THE CHANGE I, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M NOT RECOMMENDING TO GO FORWARD WITH THE CHANGE UNTIL THE FIRE MARSHAL. DO YOU MIND, UH, INPUT FIRE FIRE MARSHAL. FIRE MARSHAL? UH, UH, SOMEONE ELSE SAID CHIEF, I CALLED HIM ERIC BEFORE, BUT IF WE MADE A CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE THAT ANY VARIANCE TO ORDINANCE HAD TO BE SIGNED OFF BY THE CITY MANAGER AND YOUR OFFICE HAD TO APPROVE IT, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO IT. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE BOY SCOUT MODEL ROCKET THING. I ACTUALLY APPROVED THAT PERMIT FOR ADAM OR GAME PARK BECAUSE I INTERPRET MODEL ROCKETS DIFFERENT FROM FIREWORKS AND SO DOES OTHER PARTS OF THE FIRE CODE. SO I DIDN'T EVEN THINK, I DIDN'T EVEN PUT 'EM IN THAT CATEGORY. I MADE THE BOY SCOUTS PROVIDE ME ALL THE REQUIRED INFORMATION. WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU DOING? WHAT ARE THE PROPELLANT PROPELLANTS, WHAT ARE THE AMOUNTS YOU'RE USING? THINGS OF THAT NATURE DETERMINE THAT'S NOT A FIREWORK. THAT'S, THAT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE CATEGORY. SO IT DOESN'T EVEN, IN MY OPINION, FALL UNDER THAT MODEL ROCKET OR THE, THE FIREWORKS ORDINANCE. IT'S, IT'S COMPLETE DIFFERENT ANIMAL. I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE TO YEP. MAYOR COUNCIL DWAYNE JONES, ASSISTANT CHIEF, THAT PART OF THAT ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO ABOUT THE MODEL ROCKETS, I'M 99% SURE IT'S IN THE PARKS ORDINANCE THAT RESTRICTS, RESTRICTS STUFF LIKE THAT. IT'S THE PARKS ORDINANCE, NOT THE FIRE ONE. CORRECT. SEPARATE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ALSO, BUT GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN MORRIS. I WAS GONNA SAY THAT, UM, GET YOUR BUT THE FIRE MARSHAL BE, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO, IF THERE IS A WAIVER ASKED BY CITY MANAGER AND STAFF WOULD, WOULD FIRE MARSHAL AND OR HPD WANT TO BE NOTIFIED REAL TIME AT THOSE EVENTS? OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED. THAT, THAT WAY I COULD, I COULD MAKE ALL OUR STAFF AWARE THAT THAT'S GOING ON THE FOLKS ON DUTY. I CAN HAVE MY INSPECTORS BECAUSE BEFORE I'LL ALLOW ANYBODY TO DO ANY OF THAT, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS OR FIREWORKS DISPLAYS. MY INSPECTORS GOTTA GO AND VERIFY. THEY HAVE ALL THEIR SAFETY PRECAUTIONS [03:15:01] IN PLACE AND ALL OUR REQUIREMENTS ARE MET. SO I ABSOLUTELY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT. AND THEN FOR THE, UH, PROPELLANTS, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, REVIEWING IT THROUGH THE ROCKETRY, ROCKETRY CODE OR WHATEVER IT IS MM-HMM . IT LOOKS AT TYPES OF PROPELLANT LIQUID OR SOLID AND VOLUME OF PROPELLANT. CORRECT? YES. THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS. YOU GUYS KNOW MORE THAN I DO. I JUST, BUT IN, IN A NUTSHELL. YES. SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT IT PORTICO. YEAH. UH, SO CHIEF YARBOROUGH, I'LL DIRECT THIS TO YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF I REALLY NEED FEEDBACK, BUT, UM, SO I'M CRUNCHING NUMBERS HERE AND I'M LOOK AT EVERYTHING. UM, 'CAUSE I DO WANT TO COMMEND YOU 'CAUSE I'M NOT GONNA SAY WHERE, BUT I'VE BEEN IN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN WALKIE TALKIES LETTING PEOPLE KNOW MM-HMM . WHERE THE POLICE OFFICER WAS TO, TO PLAY THE CAT AND MOUSE GAME. YES SIR. IT HAPPENS. MM-HMM . I'LL BE HONEST, I DON'T THINK WHETHER WE VOTE FOR THIS OR DENY THIS, ANYTHING IS GONNA CHANGE. BUT I DO WANNA SAY AND COMMEND YOUR STAFF, WHEN I CRUNCHED THE NUMBERS, WE HAVE 20 FOR 20 2024, WE HAD 24 CALLS AT NEW YEAR'S. WE HAD 19 CALLS THAT WERE ON NON-LEGAL DATES. ANYWAY, MM-HMM . SO THOSE PEOPLE JUST, THEY'RE GONNA BREAK THE LAW ANYWAY. YES, SIR. UH, AND THEN YOU HAD 61 AT JULY 4TH. NOW I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE ONLY THROUGH JULY, UH, FOR, FOR 2025, BUT YOU ONLY HAD 40 CALLS ON JULY 4TH HOLIDAY THIS YEAR, WHICH IS A 35% REDUCTION IN CALLS JUST FOR THAT HOLIDAY. SO AGAIN, I, I'M IN FAVOR BASED ON MY CONSTITUENTS, WHICH IS WHERE MY LOYALTY LIES, THAT WE SHOULD DO THIS. BUT WHETHER WE DO IT OR NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA CHANGE. AND I THINK YOU AND YOUR TEAM, UM, AND AC JONES NEED TO KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING BECAUSE I THINK IT'S HELPING. I I, I AGREE WITH MAYOR SCHNEIDER ABOUT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITATIONS MAYBE, YOU KNOW, INCREASING THOSE. BUT IT IS HARD TO CATCH PEOPLE WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE READY AND THEIR BUDDY, YOU KNOW, YES SIR. HEY, GO AHEAD AND SHOOT YOURS OFF. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU CAN'T CATCH 'EM, BUT NEED TO FUND MORE DRONES. NO, YOU GUYS, NO, IN MY MIND, YOU GUYS OUGHT TO HAVE SOME UNDERCOVER GUYS JUST DRIVING IN A REGULAR CAR, DRIVING DOWN THE STREET. UH, BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU, ONCE YOU DO THAT, NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT ONCE YOU DO SOME THINGS LIKE THAT, THE WALKIE TALKIE GAME GOES OUT THE WINDOW 'CAUSE IT'S LIKE, HEY MAN, I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE. I SAW A WHITE CUTLASS COME BY AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS MY FRIEND AND TURNED OUT, NO, THIS COP JUMPED OUT AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, I GOT TWO TICKETS FOR WHATEVER THEY ARE. SO I'M DONE WITH THAT. AND I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS ARE GONNA GO AROUND AND FIREWORK TICKETS, NECESSARILY WRITE CITATIONS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AN 8-YEAR-OLD KID'S HOLDING A SPARKLER AND THE DAD'S STANDING THERE AND EVERYBODY'S SMILING AND HAVING A GOOD TIME. I KNOW ULTIMATELY YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BIG FIREWORKS. YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY CONCERNED WITH WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE, UH, CHIEF AND THE MARSHAL ARE WORRIED ABOUT, WHICH IS HOUSE FIRES AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO YES SIR. I'M PERSONALLY IN FAVOR OF THIS BASED ON MY CON CONSTITUENTS. WHETHER WE APPROVE THIS OR NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA CHANGE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU AND YOUR TEAM ARE DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 'CAUSE IT IS WORKING. YES. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST KNOW THAT THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE WITH WALKIE TALKIES TOO. YES SIR. ABSOLUTELY. AND OUR SIU, OUR SPECIAL INVESTIGATIVE UNIT, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN NEIGHBORHOODS IN UNMARKED UNITS JUST SAYING HEY, OR MAY NOT HAVE MET ONE OF THEM ONE YEAR. , I THOUGHT THE ICE CREAM TRUCK WAS SELLING ICE CREAM. NEXT THING I KNOW, CHIEF YARBOROUGH POPPED OUT AND GOT ME . YES. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR THIS? AND, AND I GUESS IT'S, WILL YOU GUYS ALL AGREE YOU CAN SHOOT OFF MODEL ROCKETS ON THIS? WELL, THAT'S, IT'S OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT THAT HAS, UH, THE DEAL AND WHAT'S REQUIRING THEM TO GET YOUR PERMIT. THERE'S NOTHING RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. THAT REQUIRES YOU GUYS NOTHING FOR WHO? FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO SIGN OFF ON MODEL ROCKET SHOOTING. THAT'S A ORDINANCE WISE SPECIAL PERMIT. IT'S, IT'S A SPECIAL PERMIT. YES. BUT I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE CITY REQUIRING THAT. RIGHT. IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A SPECIAL PERMIT RIGHT. FOR THE GATHERING. SO JUST LIKE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PARADE OR WHATEVER ELSE, THAT'S WHAT GETS THE FIRE MARSHAL INVOLVED IS THE, IS THE PERMIT TO HAVE THE GATHERING OF PEOPLE TO GO DO THE THING. ME AND MY TWO BOYS GO TO SHOOT 'EM OFF. TWO BOYS GO DO IT, THEN THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED LEGAL. THAT'S AGAINST THE, THAT'S CURRENTLY AGAINST THE RULES ALTOGETHER. I WOULD SAY THAT THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO BE AGAINST THE RULES. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SEE THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING CONFUSED. THEY'RE READING IT. YOU CAN SHOOT OFF ROCKETS. YOU'RE SAYING IT'S AGAINST THE RULES. IT'S AGAINST THE PARK RULE TO GO SHOOT, SHOOT OFF THE PARK. BUT I'M SAYING I SHOOT OFF, I, I'M STUPID. I SHOOT A MILE ROCKET OFF IN MY FRONT YARD THEN THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT AS FAR AS I CAN TELL. OKAY. IT WAS ONLY BECAUSE IT WAS IN A PARK AND A PARK. A CITY PARK. AND THAT REQUIRES THE SPECIAL PARK. YEAH. THE PARK, UH, CONTROLS THE AERIAL TYPES OF THINGS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE OUT THERE NECESSARILY SHOOTING OFF STUFF INTO THE AIR. SO THERE'S JEFF TO TELL Y'ALL ABOUT IT. HEY JEFF WHITE, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. THIS IS GUY THAT KILLS THE FUN. YEAH. YEAH. HE'S LIKE THE FUN GUY. KILLS THE FUN. SO, AND UM, SECTION 18, UH, 0 2 0 0 2 PROHIBITED ITEMS IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES. SECTION F DOES STATE THAT IT'S A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR OFFENSE FOR ANY PERSON TO OPERATE OR CAUSE TO BE OPERATED IN ANY ELECTRICAL OR INTERNAL COMBUSTION POWERED AIRCRAFT, [03:20:01] WATER CRAFT ROCKET OR MISSILE IN PUBLIC PARKS, PLAYING AREAS OR PUBLIC FACILITIES OR OTHER PUBLIC PROPERTIES. REMOTE CONTROL VEHICLES ARE PERMITTED TO BE USED AS SPECIFIC, SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR SUCH RECREATIONAL PURPOSES AND POST IT AS SUCH, ACTIVITY IS PERMITTED. SO THAT'S OUR CODE OF ORDINANCE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ENFORCING. SO YOU CAN'T EVEN DO A DRONE IN A PARK WITHOUT, WITHOUT PERMISSION. YES. BUT IT DIDN'T SAY PERMISSION. YOU HAD TO POST IT. BUT I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ORDINANCE IN HERE IF I HAVE TO LOOK. LET ME GIVE A CHANCE. WAIT, WAIT. IT, IT'S, IT'S OFF TOPIC. WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL BRING THAT ITEM BACK SO YOU AT LEAST HAVE THE POWER TO LET THE BOY SCOUT SHOOT A ROCKET OFF. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT STARTED THIS. IT WAS WELL, IF WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT FIREWORKS, I THOUGHT THAT WAS WHAT WAS . YEAH. ALL YOU REALLY TO DO IS GO TO THAT CODE AND SAY, UH, UNLESS A APPROVED SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS, OR YOU KNOW, A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT IS APPROVED, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY 12.1 NUMBER O DASH 2025 DASH 28 I SECOND. MOTION BY COUNCILOR THOMPSON. SECOND BY COUNCILOR MORRIS. NO DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE. NO, GO AHEAD. I WAS GONNA SAY, AGAIN, PASSING THIS OR DENYING THIS, PASSING THIS, IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THOUGH THAT I, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE STATISTICS. UM, THERE'S 19 DEATHS ANNUALLY IN TWO 2024 IN A NATION OF 342 MILLION PEOPLE. WE HAVE 32,000 AUTOMOBILE DEATHS. I, THE SAFETY CONCERN TO ME, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT VALID BECAUSE YEAH, SOMEBODY'S GONNA GET THEIR HAND HURT AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING. UM, PEOPLE WANT FIREWORKS, THEY WANNA CELEBRATE. AND, AND I'VE BEEN IN OTHER STATES WHERE IT'S, IT'S ALLOWED, IT'S ENCOURAGED. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE, A LITTLE, UM, SILLY OF US TO DENY THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. ALRIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING NAY. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. MAYOR PRO DIM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD NAY. THAT'S FIVE TO TWO, RIGHT? YES SIR. MOTION PASSES FIVE TWO. ALL THAT BRINGS [11.1. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. 0-2025-027 amending Article 22.07.001 of the Code of Ordinances to revise the Code of Ordinances Section 22.07.001 Speed Limits and to establish a school zone on FM 1660 N near Main Hippo. (Matt Rector) ] US TO ITEM 11 ONE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ORDINANCE NUMBER O DASH 2025 DASH 27 AMENDING ARTICLE 22.07, ONE OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO REVISE THE CODE OF ORDINANCES SECTION 22.701 SPEED LIMITS, AND TO ESTABLISH A SCHOOL ZONE ON FM 1660 NEAR MAIN HIPPO. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, UH, FOR THE RECORD, MATT RECORD HERE. CITY ENGINEER. SO THIS ALL STARTED WITH A REQUEST FROM THE ISD TO ADD A SCHOOL ZONE ON 1660 AND MAINE HIPPO FOR THEIR NEW SCHOOL CAMPUS. UH, ONCE I GOT THAT REQUEST, I FORWARDED IT ON TO TDOT AND TO WILLIAMSON COUNTY. SO BECAUSE SOME OF THE ROADS THAT ARE IMPACTED ARE WILLIAMSON COUNTY, SOME OF THE ROADS ARE TXDOT. ONCE I FORWARDED IT ONTO TXDOT, WE REALIZED THAT WE HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY EXPANDED OUR SPEED LIMIT ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE THIS PART OF 1660. UM, SO THE CITY'S GROWING PRETTY RAPIDLY AND APPARENTLY WE FORGOT TO INCLUDE SOME STRETCHES OF ROAD THAT ARE NOW IN THE CITY LIMITS. UH, SO THE FIRST PART OF THE ORDINANCE CHANGE IS TO BASICALLY ADD THOSE SECTIONS OF 1660 AND ADD THE SPEED LIMITS PER TEXT DOTS REQUIREMENTS. UH, THAT'S PRETTY COMMON THROUGHOUT THE CITY. EVERYWHERE WE HAVE A, UH, SPEED LIMIT OTHER THAN THE, UH, PRIMA FAST SPEED OF 30, UH, WE HAVE A SPEED LIMIT TABLE THAT SPEC SPECIFIES THOSE SPEED LIMITS AND MOST OF THOSE ROADS ARE TXDOT ROADS. UM, AND SO THE TDO HAS SENT OVER A REQUEST FOR US TO UPDATE OUR ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE THIS SECTION OF 1660. UH, THE SECOND PART OF THE REQUEST WILL BE THAT, UM, WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT ONCE YOU'VE, ONCE YOU'VE ADOPTED THAT SPEED LIMIT THAT WE LOOK AT SETTING A SCHOOL ZONE SPEED LIMIT FOR THIS SECTION OF 1660. UH, AND I DO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE SPEED. TYPICALLY YOU SET IT AT 15 MILES AN HOUR BELOW THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT. POSTED SPEED LIMIT IS CURRENTLY 55 MILES AN HOUR. SO THAT WOULD PUT YOUR SPEED LIMIT AND YOUR SCHOOL ZONE AT 40. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU DROP IT DOWN TO 35, WHICH IS IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE ON, UH, LIKE CHRIS KELLY AND CARL STERN AREA. BUT, UM, THAT'S THE ORDINANCE THAT'S BEFORE YOU. SO THE FIRST PART IN, IN YOUR PACKET YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE UPDATED THE TABLE, UH, WITH THE SPEED LIMITS. THE SECOND PART WOULD BE TO SAY WHAT SCHOOL ZONE YOU ACTUALLY WANT IN THAT TABLE ONCE YOU ADOPT IT. MATT, [03:25:01] HOW, WHAT WILL THE SPEED LIMIT AND HOURS OF ENFORCEMENT FOR THE NEW ZONE? WHAT, WHAT WILL THOSE BE? SO THE SCHOOL HAS ASKED THAT WE HAVE A SPEED LIMIT OR A SCHOOL ZONE IN PLACE FROM, UM, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. I BELIEVE IT WAS SEVEN 30 TO 9:00 AM AND FROM THREE 30 TO 5:00 PM I BELIEVE WERE THEIR, WAS THEIR REQUESTED TIMES THAT IT BE POSTED AS SCHOOLS THREE 30. SO FIVE. AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE PLANNING ON HAVING THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SCHOOLS HERE. THEY'RE GONNA HAVE AN ELEMENTARY, A HIGH SCHOOL, AND A MIDDLE SCHOOL. ALL OF THEM HAVE DIFFERENT PICK UP AND DROP OFF TIMES, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A SLIGHTLY EXTENDED, UH, SCHOOL ZONE WINDOW. AND HOW WILL THE CITY COMMUNICATE THESE CHANGES TO DRIVERS? UH, SO WELL FIRST WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS WERE ON BOARD WITH THIS. UH, ONCE YOU GUYS SAY GO FORWARD, UH, THE FIRST THING THAT WOULD HAPPEN WOULD BE TDOT WILL GO OUT THERE AND DO THE, THE TDOT ROADS. AND TDOT TYPICALLY PUTS OUT SIGNAGE IN, IN ADVANCE OF DOING ANY KIND KIND OF CONSTRUCTION SAYING CONSTRUCTION'S COMING, CHANGES IN TRAFFIC PATTERNS ARE COMING, THAT KIND OF THING. UH, WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THEM EVERY STEP OF THE WAY BECAUSE ALL THIS REQUEST CAME TO ME ORIGINALLY. AND SO WE WOULD ALSO BE TEAMING UP ANYTHING THAT T DOT DOES WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF LET THE PUBLIC KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING. SO TDOT'S ALREADY BEEN WORKING WITH YOU AS FAR AS GETTING EVERYTHING LINED UP? YES. OKAY. UM, YES, THEY HAVE SEEN THE SAME MAP. THAT'S WHAT STARTED THIS, ALL OF THIS CONVERSATION WITH TDOT. AND AS FAR AS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT GOES, THAT THIS IS, THIS IS HAPPENING, THIS IS NOT PLANNING, THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING FORWARD. CORRECT? THIS IS THEIR REQUEST. UH, SO SIT WHEN I GOT IT, I ROUTED IT TO PD, I ROUTE IT TO PUBLIC WORKS. I SENT IT TO HU ISD, PD D SENT IT TO TDOT AND I SENT IT TO WILLIAMSON COUNTY. TXDOT RESPONDED WITH THE, HEY, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE OUR SPEED LIMITS ON YOUR, ON THIS PART OF 1660. SO YOU NEED TO DO THAT FIRST AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK WITH THE SCHOOL ZONES. THEY'RE ON BOARD WITH PUTTING THE SCHOOL ZONE SIGNS OUT. THE ONES ON MAIN HIPPO WOULD BE DONE BY THE ISD ASSUMING THAT WE APPROVE THEM. AND THEN THE SIGNS THAT ARE ON THE COUNTY ROAD, I'M STILL TRYING TO COORDINATE THAT WITH THE COUNTY ENGINEER. OKAY. SO THE SIGN, THE SIGNAGE THAT'S NOT YET BUTTONED UP AS FAR AS WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THAT? CORRECT. IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD YOU SAYING? UH, FOR THE MOST PART, THE MAJORITY OF THE SIGNS YOU SEE WOULD BE PAID FOR BY THE ISD. OKAY. AND THEN WHAT, WHAT RESPONSIBILITY WOULD THE CITY WOULD FALL ON THE CITY FOR THIS? UH, SO WE REVIEW EVERYTHING AND THEN WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING IT. OKAY. AND DO WE KNOW THOSE MAINTENANCE COSTS ARE THOSE, I MEAN, I'M ASKING YOU TO BE A LITTLE PREDICTIVE, BUT, UM, I WOULD HAVE TO ASK PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR IF HE HAS GENERAL IDEAS ON HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO MAINTAIN THE STRIPING AND SIGNAGE. I, I'D BE LYING IF I GAVE YOU A NUMBER. OKAY. NO, I APPRECIATE THE DUE DILIGENCE DONE AND, UM, ESPECIALLY THE, THE OVERSIGHT TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE NEEDED TO DO THIS PRIOR TO, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THE SPEED LIMIT, UH, FOR THE SCHOOL SPECIFICALLY AND, UM, COMPLETELY SUPPORT THE, THE HOURS OF ENFORCEMENT. UM, AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 11.1 NUMBER O DASH 2025 DASH 0 2 7. MOTION BY CUSTOMER THOMPSON. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND. GO AHEAD. OKAY. SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME PEOPLE READY DISCUSSION. YOU WANT, I JUST WANTED THE CLARIFICATION ON THE, ON THE TIMES THAT, UH, T THOMPSON, UH, SO THE MORNING TIME WOULD BE, UH, SEVEN 30 TO NINE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. OKAY. AND THE AFTERNOON WOULD BE, UM, THREE 30 TO FIVE. I THINK IT WAS THREE 30 TO FIVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS IT. ALRIGHT, ANY NO DISCUSSION, HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. MAYOR PRO TIM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. UM, ONE, ONE ITEM FOR CLARIFICATION. WERE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THE, UH, 35 MILE AN HOUR SPEED IN THE SCHOOL ZONE? THAT WASN'T SPECIFICALLY? I MEAN, ISN'T THAT, IS THAT, ISN'T THAT STANDARD OR IS IT 20? UH, SO ON MAIN HIPPO, BECAUSE IT'S A SLOWER SPEED, IT WOULD BE 20, BUT ON, ON 1660, TYPICALLY THEY WOULD SAY ABOUT A 15 MILE HOUR, AN HOUR REDUCTION, BUT IT'S 55 MILES AN HOUR. SO UPWARDS IT DOWN TO 40. I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU GO DOWN TO 35. I I AGREE WITH THAT. I AGREE WITH THAT. I AGREE. 12 TWO AND 12 FOURS LEFT. OKAY, THANKS. [03:30:01] THANKS MATT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, [12.2. Consideration and possible action relating to a Memorandum of Understanding between the City and MA Partners, including but not limited to the following topics: Fishing in the Co-Op, Veterans Memorial Maintenance, City Sponsored Events scheduling dates, City Representation on the POA, Parking adjacent to the GIN Building, Public Restroom Construction, Conveyance of Lot 2 to MA Partners, Compact parking requirements in the garage, and Screening/Mural of the garage (Possible PUD amendments). (Mayor Pro Tern Thornton) ] NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 12, TWO CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATING TO A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN A CITY AND IN MA PARTNERS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING TOPICS. FISHING IN THE CO-OP VETERANS MEMORIAL, MAINTENANCE CITY SPONSORED EVENTS, SCHEDULING DATES, CITY REPRESENTATION ON THE POA PARKING ADJACENT TO THE GIN BUILDING, PUBLIC RESTROOM CONSTRUCTION, CONVEYANCE OF LOT TWO TO MA PARTNERS, COMPACT PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THE GARAGE AND SCREENING MURAL ON THE GARAGE. POSSIBLE PUTT AMENDMENTS. I THINK THIS STARTED WITH YOU THORNTON. YEAH, I, I STARTED WITH ASKING QUESTIONS BECAUSE THE, THE PUD REQUIRES SCREENING OF ANY SIDE OF THE PARKING GARAGE THAT FACES A PUBLIC STREET, WHICH AS IT TURNS OUT IS ONLY LIVE OAK STREET, BUT THE, THE SIDE OF THE PARKING GARAGE FACING LIVE OAK STREET IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE SCREENING ON IT. UM, AND IT DOESN'T. AND SO THAT, THAT'S A CONDITION OF THE P IT'S NOT BEING FOLLOWED. I ASKED ABOUT IT, I WAS TOLD IT WAS BEING DISCUSSED AND I ASKED FOR FOLLOW-UP INFORMATION A FEW TIMES AND IT WAS STILL BEING DISCUSSED AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED WITH IT. AND IT ALSO CAME OUT THAT THERE ARE NUMEROUS OTHER ISSUES AND PHISHING IS ONE THAT CAME UP LAST YEAR AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT ON IT. AND ALL OF THESE ISSUES, THE CITY IS TRYING TO, UM, REACH AN AGREEMENT WITH MA PARTNERS AND NOTHING IS MOVING AND DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE CITY THAT'S NOT RESPONDING. IT SEEMS TO BE MA PARTNERS THAT'S NOT RESPONDING AS FAR AS I CAN TELL. ARE THEY OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THESE, WITH THESE ITEMS? WELL, THEY'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE PUD, UM, BECAUSE THE PUD SAYS THEY HAVE TO HAVE SCREENING ON THE PARKING GARAGE. SO IN MY OPINION THEY'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE THERE. SO THEN IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT, IS IT FAIR TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO DRAFT A LETTER THAT WE ALL SIGNED THAT EXPRESSES THAT THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE P AND YOU KNOW, GET BACK IN? I MEAN I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TEETH WE HAVE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE MOU? WELL THE MOU DOESN'T EXIST YET. THE, THE MOU IS BEING NEGOTIATED, WHICH I THINK WHAT IS RESOLVE EVERYTHING. BUT, SO THEN COULD WE, WE, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS AS FAR AS PUTTING THAT IN THE MOU OR SPICING UP THE MOU TO BRING THEM BACK INTO COMPLIANCE? UH, KATE MORIARTY, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER. SO LAST FRIDAY, LAST WEEK WE SENT THEM AN UPDATED MOU THAT HAS NOW INCLUDED THE REQ, BASICALLY THE REQUIREMENT TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR PUD TO ADD THE SCREENING REQUIREMENT AND LET THAT BE BE MET. AND THEN BACK IN JUNE, UM, WE HAD PROVIDED EFFECTIVELY A NOTICE, BUT IT WAS VIA EMAIL FROM ASHLEY, UH, BASICALLY COMMUNICATING THAT THEY'RE OUTTA COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR P THEY DIDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE IT TO BEGIN WITH, BUT WE FOLLOWED UP AND THEY ACKNOWLEDGED IT AND WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HEAR MORE INFORMATION BUT HAVEN'T YET SPECIFICALLY ON THAT. I KNOW THEY'RE PRETTY FOCUSED ON THE MURAL AND WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE FOR THE PARKING GARAGE. HERE'S WHAT I THINK OUR ISSUE IS. THE DOCUMENT TELLS YOU WHAT YOUR RECOURSE, WHEN SOMEONE IS IN DEFAULT, AND I'VE SAID A MILLION TIMES, YOU'RE IN DEFAULT. THE NOTICE GOES OUT THE NEXT DAY AND THEN THAT TRIGGERS IF WE'RE EMAILING PEOPLE AND WE'RE PLAYING NICE, THAT'S WHAT DRAGS THIS STUFF ON TO THE POINT TO WHERE IT'S LIKE PROBLEM AFTER PROBLEM, WE OWN A POND ON THE NORTH RIGHT NOW. MAYBE WE WANNA DEDICATE IT LATER SOME AGREEMENT. I DON'T KNOW. BUT WE OWN A POND THAT PEOPLE ARE TELLING US HOW TO USE. I THINK THAT'S CRAZY. I THINK IT'S CRAZY THAT THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES. IN MY MIND. THESE GUYS ARE, THIS IS THE DURANGO PEOPLE. I MEAN THEY'RE NOTORIOUS FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES AND DOING WHATEVER THEY WANNA DO. AND AT SOME POINT IT'S LIKE THE FIREWORKS THING. YOU GOTTA GO AND START ADDRESSING IT WITH PEOPLE AND YOU GOTTA SAY, LOOK, YOU'RE VIOLATING IT, YOU'RE IN DEFAULT AND WHATEVER OUR, IF IT'S A $500 A DAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE RESULTS ARE TO ME. THAT'S HOW YOU DO IT. AND THEY SAY, OKAY, TIME OUT. CAN YOU LAY OFF OF US? NOT UNTIL YOU COME TO US WITH THESE ISSUES AND YOU COME AND SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO HELP US OUT. AND THEY'RE HOLDING UP THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR A A A, A ROUNDABOUT THAT WE CAN'T DO. AND SO, I MEAN WE'RE GIVING ALL THE POWER TO THE DEVELOPERS, BUT THAT'S ABOUT THE, I WAS READING THROUGH THIS, I DON'T LIKE, I'LL BE HONEST, I DON'T LIKE THE MOU UM, THE PHISHING YOU, WE JUST HEARD. LOOK, IF YOU, IF YOU ALLOW NON AERIAL FIREWORKS, PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET CONFUSED. NOW WE HAVE AN MOU THAT SAYS, WELL YOU CAN FISH BUT ONLY ON A BRIDGE, NOT ON A BANK. NOT HERE, NOT THERE. AND SO NOW [03:35:01] HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA FOLLOW THAT? AND SO THEY'RE GONNA BE FISHING ALL OVER THE PLACE AND THEN I'M THE GUY THAT SAYS, YOU GOTTA GO GIVE THESE PEOPLE A TICKET 'CAUSE THEY'RE BREAKING THE LAW. BUT IT'S GONNA BE CONFUSING. SO TO ME, EITHER THEY'RE FISHING AND IF THEY TEAR SOMETHING UP, I THINK WE HAVE ORDINANCES THAT ALLOW FOR US TO PROVIDE FOR THAT. I UNDERSTAND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE, BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE EVERYBODY OUT THERE WALKING AROUND IN HELMETS. PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE TO LIKE LEARN THAT. WHY WERE YOU HANGING OFF THE BRIDGE THAT WAY AND FELL INTO THE WATER? THAT'S DANGEROUS. THAT'S ON THEM. WE CAN'T HAVE ALL THESE PRECAUTIONS TO STOP PEOPLE. SO TO ME, WE GOTTA GO THROUGH THIS. THE PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO FISH IN THE POND. THAT WAS A HUGE UPROAR. NOW WE GOT IT DOWN TO, IT'S, IT'S FISHING AND I DON'T LIKE GIVING, UH, ESPECIALLY THIS DEVELOPER. I ARE THEY HERE? NO, NO. THEY WERE, I'D SAY THE SAME THING. I DON'T WANNA GIVE THE DEVELOPER ANY SAY THIS THING IS LIKE, THEY'RE GONNA DETERMINE HOW YOU'RE GONNA DO THE PHISHING. THEY'RE GONNA DETERMINE, AND I'M LIKE THEIR OWN TENANTS COMPLAINT ABOUT THE STUFF THEY DETERMINE. SO WE GOT THE POWER, IT'S OUR CO-OP, WE GAVE THEM THE DAMN LAND. RIGHT. AND WE NEED TO EXERT A LITTLE BIT OF CONTROL AND GO LOOK. I MEAN DO SOMETHING, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO VETERANS MEMORIAL, I DON'T KNOW, I'VE JUST, WE JUST GOT THIS AT FOUR 30 TODAY, SO I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO REALLY GO THROUGH IT. BUT ONCE I GOT TO THE FISHING, I WAS LIKE, YEAH, WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH THESE GUYS. BUT THAT'S JUST ME. I, I DON'T KNOW THE ISSUE WITH THE, UM, CITY REPRESENTATION ON THE BOARD. ARE THEY, ARE THEY SAYING THAT THEY WE DON'T GET A PERSON ON THE BOARD OR WHAT'S THERE'S THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PROVISION FOR THAT. THIS WOULD BE THEM CONSENTING TO THE CITY, HAVING A, A MEMBER SIT ON THE POA BOARD. WELL THAT'S IN, THAT'S IN AGREEMENT. THE AGREEMENT GIVES SOMEBODY ON THE ARCHITECTURE CONTROL COMMITTEE, NOT ON THE FULL POA BOARD. OH NOT A FULL POA BOARD. YEAH. THIS WOULD CHANGE THAT THIS WOULD ADD THAT TO ALSO BE ON THE FULL POA BOARD. AND YOU OUGHTA PUT SOMETHING IN HERE ABOUT THE SPLASH PAD. I MEAN THAT THING THERE THAT'S TRUE. THEY'RE BLAMING, THEY'RE BLAMING SOCKS GETTING SUCKED UP INTO PUMPS, YOU KNOW, AND I SAY IT'S NOT MY PROBLEM. YEAH, BECAUSE WE GAVE YOU 22 ACRES AND WE'RE OUT TELLING EVERYBODY THAT SPLASH PAD'S WORKING, THEY ALL THINK IT'S A CITY'S SPLASH PAD AND THE THINGS BROKE MORE THAN IT'S WORKING AND THEY GOT EXCUSES. AND I'M LIKE, WELL THE CITY MANAGER'S GETTING READY TO HAVE ONE AND HE SAYS IT'S NOT GONNA GO DOWN. SO MAYBE THE CITY NEEDS TO TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE OF IT, FIX THE PUMP, DO ALL THAT. I DON'T KNOW. BUT I PUT SOME STUFF LIKE THAT IN THERE. I PUT THE RIGHT OF WAY IN THERE. UM, YEAH, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF, OF CONVEYING THE VETERANS MEMORIAL. NO. WE JUST PAID A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THAT AND, AND THEN TRUST THEM TO MAINTAIN IT WITH THE WAY THEY MAINTAIN THE TOWN GREEN AREA WITH THE, WITH THE, YOU KNOW. YEAH. YEAH. NOW I THINK THESE GUYS COULD DO A GOOD JOB. I THINK THE REASON THEY DON'T IS BECAUSE WE LET THEM DICTATE THE TERMS. THEY DICTATE WHEN THEY'RE DOING THINGS. AND I THINK ANY GOOD PARTNERSHIP WE HAVE TO COME TOGETHER TO WHERE WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER AND SOMETIMES WE'RE GONNA BE MAD AT THEM AND SOMETIMES WE'RE GONNA BE MAD AT US, BUT FOR WHETHER THEY START AT 17, SO FOR EIGHT YEARS THEY'VE BEEN RUNNING THIS CITY IN FRONT OF OUR OWN BACKYARD. SO, UM, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS. YOU GUYS MAY, MAY THINK I'M BEING MEAN, BUT AGREE. ALRIGHT, SO HERE'S WHAT I'D SUGGEST. COUNCIL GOT THIS TODAY. WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO REALLY DIG IN. I THINK WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO IS, AND AND I'M NOT BLAMING YOU GUYS FOR IT 'CAUSE THEY PROBABLY GAVE IT TO YOU AT FOUR 15 AND YOU SENT IT TO US FOUR 30. YEAH, WE SENT IT TO YOU THE MOMENT THEY GAVE IT TO US. AND ARGUABLY, I I DO BELIEVE THAT THE ONLY REASON THEY GAVE IT TO US WAS BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT AND THEY WERE SAYING NOW THEY COULD SAY, WELL WE DELIVERED IT TO YOU. SO THANK YOU TO COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON FOR, FOR PUSHING THE ITEM, YOU KNOW, TO COUNCIL BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT DOES TAKE YOU GUYS TO, TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER ISSUES, YOU KNOW. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS, AND I REALLY HATE SUBCOMMITTEES, BUT I FEEL LIKE BOB HAS TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE STRAIGHT UP BECAUSE HE'S GONNA JERK YOU GUYS AROUND FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. AND THE ONLY TIME WE GOT ANYTHING DONE, LAST TIME PIERRE AND I CALLED THE HEAD GUY, WAS HE IN HOLLAND OR SOMETHING? YEAH. AND LAID INTO HIM AND SAID BASICALLY WE'RE AT A BREAKING POINT. SO, UM, WHAT'D LIKE TO SEE IS OVER THE NEXT WEEK AND A HALF, TWO WEEKS, THE COUNCIL ON THE MESSAGE BOARD GIVE YOU GUYS COMMENTS ON WHAT THE, WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE. AND THEN I THINK LIKE, UH, ME AND UM, AND GORDON AND THOMPSON CAN MEET WITH YOU GUYS AND BRING BOB IN HERE AND WE CAN SIT DOWN AND JUST SAY THIS, THIS IS NOT GONNA WORK. THIS IS WHAT THE COUNCIL'S WANTING CHANGED. AND IF YOU DON'T DO IT, WE NOW KNOW FROM LEGAL AT THAT POINT WHAT THE REPERCUSSIONS WILL BE AND THE COUNCIL'S GONNA COME AT YOU PRETTY HARD BECAUSE WE'VE SCREWED AROUND WITH FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS BEING OWED AND NOT DOING WORK AND ALL THAT. IT'S LIKE, HOW'S THAT SOUND? UM, SO [03:40:01] THIS WAS MAYOR PRO TE'S ITEM. WHAT IF, WOULD YOU LIKE TO REPLACE ME ON THE OH YEAH, I FORGOT. I THOUGHT HE I'M FINE. I'M FINE IF YOU DO IT. I IF YOU, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN DOING IT, I'M FINE WITH THAT. BOB LIKES HIM. BOB LIKES, HE LIKES YOU, DOESN'T HE? WELL, YEAH, I I PROBABLY GET ALONG BETTER THAN MOST PEOPLE. BETTER THAN MOST , MOST MAYORS IN. YEAH. SO YES, . SO THAT WOULD BE AN ADVANTAGE FOR SURE. 'CAUSE I, I GET ALONG WITH THOSE GUYS BECAUSE USUALLY WHAT I FIND, THE REASON I LIKED IT AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PLAY A BAD COP, GOOD COP, BUT HONESTLY WHAT I FIND IS PETER AND I DIFFER SO MUCH THAT SOMETIMES WE AGREE IN FRONT OF PEOPLE THAT KIND OF FREAKS 'EM OUT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHEN THEY KNOW LIKE, HEY, YOU GOT A PROBLEM. MM-HMM . HUH? ONLY YOU IT ONLY FREAKS YOU OUT. NO, I LIKE IT. BUT UM, ALRIGHT, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT COUNCILOR THOMPSON? SOUNDS GOOD. ALRIGHT. AND THEN IF YOU GUYS CAN SET UP A MEETING LIKE IN TWO WEEKS, 'CAUSE IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE 'EM THAT LONG TO AGREE TO IT. THAT PROBABLY TAKE 'EM THAT LONG TO READ THE EMAIL, BUT YEAH. YEAH. AND THEN THAT'LL GIVE US TIME TO GO THROUGH IT, GIVE YOU THE, WHAT WE WANNA SEE CHANGED, UM, SOMEWHAT. AND THEN WE CAN MEET AND UM, AND UH, IS IT JUST BOB OR DOES IT HA DOES THE OTHER GUY PART OF THAT SEAL? IT'S ONLY BOB NOW THAT HE'S THE ONE THAT'S PREDOMINANTLY DEALING WITH THE MA PARTNERS FOR THE CO-OP, BUT UH, THEN THEY'RE, I THINK THEY STILL HAVE THE SHARED ATTORNEY, UM, WHO'S THE ONE WHO SENT THE DRAFT TODAY. SO, SO BOB HUNCH NOT WYATT. WYATT WAS WYATT'S NOT INVOLVED WITH THE CO-OP? I DON'T THINK ANYMORE. OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW. ALRIGHT, SO NO ACTION. NO ACTION. BUT IF YOU GUYS, WE'LL START THIS UP TOMORROW. ALRIGHT, WE [12.4. Consideration and possible action related to joint public work projects between the City of Hutto and the Hutto Economic Development Corporation. (Mayor Snyder, Coucilmember Morris)] GOT ITEM 12 FOUR CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO JOINT PUBLIC WORK PROJECTS BETWEEN THE CITY OF HU AND THE HU ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. UM, HERE'S WHAT BROUGHT THIS ON. WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT LATER ABOUT SOME MEDIATION. UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AND I WENT TO, BUT WE HAD OUR ATTORNEY THERE THAT KIND OF KNOWS, I GUESS HIS FOCUS IS IF CONTRACTORS DON'T DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND HOW DO WE SUE 'EM. AND WHEN, AND YOU TELL ME, I'LL SAY, THEN YOU TELL ME WHERE YOU THINK I'M OFF. THE MESSAGE I GOT FROM THE GUY WAS, WE'RE DOING IT WRONG. WE'RE WRITING AGREEMENTS THAT DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY TEETH AND BECAUSE WE'RE A PUBLIC ENTITY, WE ARE LIMITED BY LAW. WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY NEGOTIATE, WHAT WE CAN FORCE UPON PEOPLE AND LIQUIDATED DAMAGES ARE A LITTLE IFFY AND THAT'S WHY WE GOT 'EM SO LOW. AND I WAS LIKE, HOW DO WE GET IT TO WHERE THE PERSON IS CRYING AND BEGGING FOR MERCY FOR MISSING A DEADLINE BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T WORKING ON IT FOR TWO MONTHS. AND WHAT WE FOUND OUT WAS YOU JUST CAN'T DO THAT WITH PUBLIC BIDDING. BUT IF THE BIDDING GOES TO THE EDC AND IT'S DETERMINES AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT CHECKED, NOW WE GOT ALL THE POWER IN THE WORLD. WE CAN WRITE DIFFERENT CONTRACTS, WE CAN HAVE STRONGER TEETH. 'CAUSE I SAID, HEY, HOW COME IN MY DAY JOB, NOBODY EVER MISSES A DEADLINE. HOW COME THEY'LL WORK ON MIDNIGHT AND GET SPECIAL PERMITS? THEY WERE LIKE, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT PUBLIC. SO WE WERE KIND OF KICKING AROUND WAS OKAY, ONE OF THE REASONS I LIKE HAVING MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN EDC FROM THE COUNCIL, IF WE START MOVING SOME OF THESE PROJECTS TO THE EDC, NOT AS A WAY TO SKIP THE PROCESS OF BIDDING, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN DOING, BUT AS A MANNER TO ACTUALLY BE MORE INVOLVED, MORE TEETH, BETTER AGREEMENTS. UM, IT SOUNDED LIKE THAT WAS A WAY WE COULD GET WHAT SOME OF US WANT AND TELL ME. YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH THAT. AND I THINK WHAT THE SUMMARY WAS IS THAT WE REALLY CAN'T DO PENALTIES OR WE'RE RESTRICTED IN THAT. BUT YOU CAN INCENTIVIZE THEM THAT IF YOU WANT SOMETHING DONE IN 18 MONTHS, BUT YOU SAY IF YOU GET IT AT 16 MONTHS, YOU, YOU GET EXTRA MONEY AND IF IT'S 14 MONTHS YOU GET EXTRA MONEY. SO IT INCENTIVIZES THEM. BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE A PENALTY IF THEY DON'T MEET THE 18 MONTHS IS WHAT MY NON-LEGAL MIND ABSORBED IN THAT. RIGHT. HE WAS INDICATING THAT LIQUIDATED DAMAGES ARE REALLY NOT ENFORCEABLE IN TEXAS. SO, SO, BUT WE, WE HAVE THEM IN OUR CONTRACTS AND WE ARE, UM, HAVING SOME PEOPLE PAY. UH, MATT MIGHT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT YEAH. AND IT'S A MINIMUM, LIKE I SAID, $2,000 A DAY. YEAH. I'M LOOKING FOR LIKE, HEY THIS GUY'S GOTTA SELL US, YOU KNOW, HIS DUMP TRUCK TO US OR GIVE IT TO US BECAUSE HE JACKED AROUND FOR SIX MONTHS ON A PROJECT. BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE IF WE MOVE SOME OF THIS STUFF CASE BY CASE, THE ATTORNEYS HAVE TO DECIDE THAT YES, THAT DOES MEET THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CODE. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO SEWER LINES, WATER LINES, UH, SIDEWALK PARK IMPROVEMENTS, PROBABLY NOT TO VETERANS MEMORIAL 'CAUSE IT'S PROBABLY NOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THING, BUT WHATEVER'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THING, IF WE MOVE IT TO THE EDC, ALL OF A SUDDEN WE CAN NOW NEGOTIATE. THE OTHER THING WAS HE'S NOT A BIG FAN OF, UH, CM CMAR YOU TEND TO PAY MORE. AND HE HAD HIS REASONINGS AND HE WAS LIKE, HE, HE FEELS LIKE [03:45:01] CITIES DO CMAR BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY WAY THEY HAVE TO NEGOTIATE. BUT HE WAS LIKE, IF YOU MOVE THAT TO THE PRIVATE SIDE, IT'S A GAME CHANGER. AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHY EVERYBODY ELSE DOESN'T DO THIS. UM, SO WHAT WE KIND OF ASKED HIM TO DO WAS, HEY, UH, CAN YOU GIVE US A QUOTE ON GOING THROUGH OUR BIDDING CONTRACTS, WHAT LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE IN THERE TO WHERE PEOPLE STOP SCREWING WITH US? BECAUSE BASICALLY WE GO AND IT'S LIKE, LOOK, YOU GOT 20% CHANCE YOU'RE GONNA WIN THIS, BUT WHAT CAN WE CHANGE? AND THEN LOOK AT A COUPLE OF OUR DEALS GOING OUT SO THAT YES, IF HE HAD TO REPRESENT US, HE COULD ALMOST DO IT PRO BONO. 'CAUSE HE GOES, I KNOW I'M GONNA WIN BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE IS THAT GOOD. DO YOU WANNA CALL UP, UM, 13 G BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT, OH, THE ATTORNEY IN THE AGREEMENT. AND JUST SO THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW, THE CHAPMAN LAW FIRM, THAT'S WHAT THEY SPECIALIZE IN, IS CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT, UH, DRAFTING DOCUMENTS FOR PUBLIC ENTITIES AND ALSO LITIGATING, UM, THOSE TYPES OF CLAIMS. SO THE IDEA HERE IS, I GUESS IN THE WAY YOU GUYS WOULD THINK ABOUT IT, VOICE YOUR CONCERNS TO THE CITY MANAGER. IF YOU'RE NOT HEARING ANY, WHAT I'M HOPING IS WHATEVER NEXT PROJECT WE'RE DOING, WHETHER IT BE LIMBER OR 1 37, WE TRY TO FIND OUT IF THERE'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEAL. WE TALK TO THIS GUY, ASSUMING WE COME OUT AND APPROVE G. IF WE DON'T APPROVE G IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. BUT IF WE APPROVE THAT, WE COME BACK OUT. WE TRY A COUPLE OF PROJECTS WITH THIS NEW WAY, SEE HOW IT BIDS. UM, AND UM, CAN I, CAN I THROW UP SOME OF MY OBJECTIONS? DO YOU HAVE OBJECTIONS TO THIS? YES. OKAY. , I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA LIKE THIS. YOU WANT I DO LIKE IT. I DO LIKE IT. AND I EVEN SAID THAT IN MY EMAIL TO YOU, BUT I YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO READ IT 'CAUSE I WAS WRITING IT OVER HERE EARLIER. OKAY. OKAY. SO I DO LIKE IT. I, I, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S, I'VE NEVER EVEN CONSIDER, I, I HAVEN'T EVER HEARD IT PRESENTED TO, TO DO THIS WAY. SO THE, SO TO ME IT'S LIKE OUTSIDE OF THE BOX, IT'S CREATIVE AND IT, AND IT SEEMS TO BE ACCOMPLISHING SOMETHING THAT IS A PROBLEM. THE THING THAT I WOULD PUMP THE BRAKES ON AND SAY WE REALLY GOT TO PAY REALLY CLOSE ATTENTION TO AND BUILD INTO THIS IS THAT WHILE THE PUBLIC BIDDING PROCESS AND THE PUBLIC CONTRACTING PROCESS IS CUMBERSOME AND DOESN'T NECESSARILY GIVE US THE TEETH THAT, THAT YOU'RE WANTING, WHAT IT DOES DO IS IT GIVES US TRANSPARENCY. AND IT PRETTY MUCH LIMITS PERMITS INDIVIDUALS FROM MANIPULATING THE PROCESS, FROM STEERING THINGS TO PEOPLE THAT ARE THEIR BUDDIES AND THAT SORT OF STUFF. IF WE STRIP ALL OF THOSE PROTECTIONS AWAY, AND THE EDC DOES NOT HAVE TO BID, THE EDC CAN CONTRACT WITH ANYBODY THEY WANT TO CONTRACT WITH, AS LONG AS ALL THE PERSONALITIES ARE THE RIGHT PERSONALITIES, THAT'S GONNA BE AWESOME. BUT THE MOMENT THEY'RE NOT THE RIGHT PERSONALITIES, IT IS GONNA BE ABUSED AND IT IS GONNA BECOME CORRUPT. AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS THAT. SO HOWEVER WE CAN DO WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WITH ENOUGH GUARDRAILS TO WHERE WE STILL HAVE TRANSPARENCY, RIGHT? 'CAUSE I'M SURE THAT'S IMPORTANT. WE STILL HAVE TRANSPARENCY AND WE HAD THE GUARDRAILS OF THINGS THAT CAN'T BE WAIVED. BECAUSE IF YOU CAN JUST WAIVE A REQUIREMENT, YOU KNOW, KNOW THAT YOU PUT IN PLACE WHENEVER YOU WANT TO, THEN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE BAD ACTORS WILL JUST WAVE THE REQUIREMENTS AND DO THE THING AND GIVE IT TO THEIR, THEIR, YOU KNOW, COUSIN OR WHATEVER. AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ONLY PART OF THIS THAT HAS ME EVEN REMOTELY CONCERNED BECAUSE FASTER AND ALL THAT STUFF IS PRETTY COOL. THEY BRING YOU A SOLUTION REAL QUICK. YEAH. THE MOU BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE EDC, THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT PAY FOR THE ROAD PROJECT UNLESS I DON'T WANT THE BIDDING TO STOP. I WANT THE BIDDING TO GET BETTER. AND SO I THINK IF THERE'S AN MOU BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY AND THE EDC, THEN WE DON'T GIVE MONEY UNLESS ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET TO WHERE YOU BASICALLY, I WANT THE SAME BIDDING PROCESS WITHOUT THE PUBLIC LAWS OF BIDDING BEING USED AGAINST US, WHICH IS, YEAH, WE CAN'T NEGOTIATE WITH THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE THE PUBLIC LAW DOESN'T ALLOW US, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE BIDDING WITH THE ABILITY TO GO, HEY, YOU NEED TO DO BETTER ON THIS JOB HERE. THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE PAYING YOU $18 MILLION. I'M, I I TH OKAY, MY, MY . THE PROBLEM IS, IF YOU HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE ALSO THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD OF THE EDC, THEY CAN JUST CHANGE THE MOU AT ANY POINT IN TIME THAT THEY WANT. SO IF THEY WANT TO START BEING BAD ACTORS, THEY CAN, AND I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF IT'S CAN'T CHANGE MOU FROM EDC SIDE, UNLESS THE CITY COUNCIL AGREES TO IT. BUT IF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE A MAJORITY OVER HERE TOO, AND THEY'RE A MAJORITY OVER THERE, THEY BASICALLY JUST VOTE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE VOTE. AND WE CAN DO THAT NOW. RIGHT? YOU COULD HAVE FOUR BAD ACTORS UP HERE RIGHT NOW, ALREADY GOT PREDETERMINED. WE'RE GONNA SHIFT A HUNDRED BILLION DO, OR [03:50:01] A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN PROJECTS TO A FRIEND. WE COULD DO THE EXACT SAME THING. YOU COULDN'T STOP IT ANYWAY. WE, WE GO THROUGH PUBLIC BIDDING. WE STILL HAVE THOSE PROTECTIONS. NO, I MEAN, NO, WE COULD CHANGE IT RIGHT NOW TONIGHT, AND WE COULD MOVE IT ALL TO THE EDC AND WE COULD HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM YOU'RE HAVING. I MEAN, I GET YOUR CONCERN MM-HMM . BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO STOP YOUR CONCERN IF A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL ALWAYS FILLS A WAY. YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IF THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL WANTS TO BE CROOKED, THEN THEY'RE GONNA BE CROOKED. THEY'RE GONNA CHANGE THE RULES, THEY'RE GONNA GET ON THE EDC AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA, YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU CAN'T STOP A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL IF FROM DOING ANYTHING, WHICH YOU CAN HOPE IS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS YOU GOT A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL, YOU HAVE A, A COUNCIL THAT'S GONNA TALK IN THE PUBLIC ONE WAY. YOU GOT THE EDC IN ANOTHER MM-HMM . AND THE AVENUES ARE, THE ELECTORATE IS GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THE FOUR PEOPLE POTENTIALLY THAT ARE ON THE COUNCIL AND THE EDC ARE NOT CIRCUMVENTING SHIFTING $20 MILLION PROJECTS TO SOMEBODY. YEAH. I, I MEAN, SINCE IT'S KIND OF A NOVEL CONCEPT, MY POINT I, MY WHOLE POINT IN THIS IS TO THINK THROUGH OF HOW IT COULD BE ABUSED AND TRY TO, AND TRY TO PUT IN GUARDRAILS TO PROTECT THAT AND KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF WHAT I'M SAYING. I THINK IT'S NOVEL. I DO THINK ANOTHER ASPECT AND, UH, AND IS THE WAY THAT GEORGETOWN PROPOSES TO DO IT, AND THAT IS WHAT THEY DO RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THAT IT SENT IN THE RESEARCH THAT WAS PROVIDED OUT WAS THEY SAY, HEY, THE PRO, LIKE TO YOUR POINT ON THE, UH, TRAFFIC LIGHT OR WHATEVER INNOVATION, IT'S LIKE THEY HAVE UNTIL OCTOBER 1ST OR WHATEVER TO GET IT DONE. AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, BUT IF WE WANT IT DONE BY JUNE 30TH, THEN THEN WHAT DO WE PAY FOR THAT? AND THEN THAT'S THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. THAT'S YOU SPENDING MORE MONEY TO GET IT DONE FASTER RATHER THAN USING, UH, BIG AND BIG, UH, DISINCENTIVES ON THE BACKEND TO GET IT DONE ON, ON TIME. IT'S, IT, IT COULD ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING AS JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING IT. BUT YEAH, I JUST WANT TO GIVE Y'ALL THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER, THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD TRY TO STRUCTURE THIS TO WHERE IT DOESN'T END UP BEING ABUSED. AND THAT IS BASICALLY IT. GOTCHA. I APPRECIATE THE CITY MANAGER'S CONCERNS AND, UM, BUT TO ME, WHEN I HEARD THIS IS LIKE, THIS COULD BE A BIG GAME CHANGER. I, I APPRECIATE CITY MANAGER'S CONCERNS IS MAYBE WE DON'T JUST TURN ON THE SPIGOT FOR EVERYTHING. WE JUST TRY A FEW THINGS, SEE WHAT APPLICABLE, BUT THE ACTION WITH THE CHAPMAN WAS A LEGAL SERVICES OF HIM BEING REVIEWING THIS AND REVIEWING OUR CONTRACTS AND KIND OF PUTTING SOME TEETH IN. HE, IT WAS A VERY, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND DOTTIE THERE AS WELL. IT WAS A VERY ENLIGHTENING EXPERIENCE OF WHAT THIS GUY, WHAT THIS GUY CAN DO, CHAPMAN ASSOCIATES CAN DO, AND WHAT HIS EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN. UM, AND, UM, HE, HE SEEMS TO BE PUTTING US ON THE RIGHT TRACK. HE HAD A LOT OF GOOD THINGS, GOOD EXPERIENCE ON THINGS, AND THIS IS ALL HE DOES, IS MY UNDERSTANDING. YEAH. IT'S VERY COMMON. AND, UH, AND I ENCOURAGE US TO GO AND TAP A SPECIALIST, PARTICULARLY IN THE LAW FIELD, WHICH WE DO FOR WATER, WE DO FOR WASTEWATER, WE DO FOR PERSONNEL. THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE HAVE NOT IN THE PAST GONE AND SOUGHT A, A SPECIALIST IN THE LEGAL FIELD IN CON IN CONTRACT CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS. TO ME, THAT'S COM THAT MAKES A TON OF SENSE. THIS COULD BE A, I MEAN, THIS COULD BE A, A BIG RETURN ON INVESTMENT MM-HMM . OVER ESPECIALLY A, A 3, 5, 10 YEAR PERIOD. THANK YOU. YEAH. I HAVE SOME HESITATIONS WITH THIS. JUST HEARING THE CONVERSATION THAT ENSUED. I APPRECIATE ALL POINTS. UM, I THINK THE CITY PRIORITIZES, IN MY OPINION, THE CITY NEEDS TO PRIORITIZE, YOU KNOW, ROADS, WATER, WASTEWATER, AND THE EDC NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON ATTRACTING BUSINESSES, ATTRACTING, UM, DRUMMING UP, UH, UH, EXCITEMENT AROUND THE CITY. UM, I COULD SEE THIS POTENTIALLY HAVING A NEGATIVE EFFECT AND, AND CONING SOME LINES THERE. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DEFINITELY WANNA TALK WITH YOU, CITY MANAGER, A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS. BUT ON THE, ON THE OUTSET, LOOKING AT IT, YOU KNOW, JUST ON ITS FACE, THERE ARE SOME HESITATIONS THERE THAT I'D BE HESITANT TO, TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS TONIGHT. ALRIGHT, WE HEARING NOTHING ELSE, REALLY. I DON'T THINK WE'D READY TO MAKE A DECISION UNTIL WE LEARN, UM, ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THE ADDENDUM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT PLAYS INTO THIS, UM, SOMEWHAT. I THINK THAT'S IT ON THE, THAT'S IT. WE'RE DONE WITH THAT ONE. YEP. I'D LIKE TO RECALL 8.1 [03:55:01] PLEASE. THAT'S THE BUDGET PRESENTATION. SORRY, 7.1. IT'S ALWAYS 8.1. ALRIGHT, 7.1, [7.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, and Area Government appointments. (Part 2 of 2)] CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS, REAPPOINTMENTS AND OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS, AND TAX AND COMMIT REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS AND AREA GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS. UH, YEAH, I THINK IN LIGHT OF ALL THE DISCUSSIONS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE FOCUS THAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING, UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, REMOVE KELLY MCLAUGHLIN FROM THE EDC FROM HUDDLE EDC AND APPOINT JIM MORRIS. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER VACANCY AND APPOINT MIKE SNYDER MOTION BY COUNCILMAN PORTERFIELD. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO THORNTON. DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION. HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON NAY. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. MOTION PASSES. FIVE TWO. I'M GLAD YOU SAID EIGHT ONE. WELL, WE'RE HERE. UH, UM, APOLOGIZE. SO, SO WE PASSED THE CHANGES WITH THE PROTOCOLS. WOULD THIS BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME OR ARE WE ALLOWED TO APPOINT IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE NOW? COULD WE DO THAT UNDER THIS ONE? OR IS THAT NOT INCLUDED IN THIS? SINCE WE APPROVE THE, THE COUNT THE PROTOCOL CHANGES. YEAH. CAN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE IT UP? LET'S ROCK AND ROLL. OKAY, SO I MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, CHANGE THE DOMINATING COMMITTEE TO MYSELF, MAYOR PRO, TIM THORNTON AND JIM MORRIS, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. SECOND, WHO WILL BE CHAIRMAN? JIM CAN REMAIN IF YOU'D LIKE. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT, STAN? OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR, WERE YOU THE SECOND? UH, YES. OKAY. SEC. SECOND. MAYOR. MAYOR PRO. TIM THORNTON. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS. AYE. QUESTION PAST THE SEVEN ZERO. I'M SORRY, I FORGOT ABOUT THE BUDGET. NO, YOU DIDN'T. I HE DID. THERE IS ZERO PROBABILITY, I SWEAR THAT MIKE SNYDER FORGOT ABOUT BUDGET. ZERO. I'M SO WOUND UP ABOUT . I'M SO WOUND UP ABOUT SPARKLERS AND BOTTLE ROCKETS THAT, UM, WE GOT TO GOING. UM, BUT ANYWAY, UM, YOU WANT TO JUST DO IT AFTER EXEC SO EVERYBODY ELSE CAN JUST BE DONE? I MEAN, AT THIS POINT WE'RE JUST BASICALLY DOING IT FOR THE RECORDING ANYWAY. BUT IF YOU DO IT, I MEAN, YOU WANT WE GET THEM OUT ALL MY STAFF AND WE CAN GET THEM OUTTA HERE. WELL, ARE Y'ALL GONNA ASK THEM ANY QUESTIONS AFTER OUR PRE, AFTER OUR PRESENT? NO, I'LL BE HONEST, I HEARD NEXT, NEXT THURSDAY WOULD BE THE TIME FOR THAT. I THOUGHT NEXT THURSDAY WAS FOR THAT, RIGHT? YEAH, NEXT THURSDAY WOULD BE THE TIME FOR YOU GUYS. OKAY. THAT WAS BUNCH OF PEOPLE GOING LIKE, SO ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T NEED TO STAY FOR EXEC OR IS ALBERTA AND MAYBE CHRISTINA, MAYBE. I DON'T KNOW. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MATT. HAVE A WONDERFUL EVENING. YEAH, THANK YOU. UM, NEED MATT. AND IT, WOULD IT BE BETTER TO DO IT? GO AHEAD AND GET THROUGH EXEC. GET OUR WATER GUY OUTTA HERE. I THINK SO. LET'S JUST, AT THIS POINT IT'S SO LATE. LET'S JUST TAKE CARE OF EXEC AND EVERYBODY ELSE WHO'S HERE FOR ITEMS. YOU GUYS HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT? WHAT, WHAT ARE WHAT ARE YOU HERE FOR? I JUST HERE FOR THE PARKING THING NOW. OH, OKAY. SO YOU'VE SNUCK AROUND. I'M REALLY ENJOYING IT. . WOW. I'M GONNA BE HERE NEXT. YOU GOT HIM HOOKED. THIS IS GREAT. HE'S SEEING THE, UH, HE'S SEEING THE SAUSAGE GETTING MADE ABOUT THE BUDGET. YEAH. OKAY. ALL FOR THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. YEAH, I LIKE THIS GUY. ALRIGHT, UM, WE LEAVE, FIND OUT WHAT YOU DON'T GET NOW WE'LL GO TO WHAT'S THAT? UH, SO ON 13 ONE A, WE ALREADY, UH, DISPOSED OF THAT ITEM IN THE JOINT MEETING. AND THEN FOR 13 ONE I, THAT WAS REALLY A STATUS UPDATE. 13 ONE. I, YES. DOES ANYBODY NEED LEGAL QUESTIONS ON I, HOLD ON. WAS I, HOLD ON. UH, THAT'S PRESERVE HOW TO, THIS LOOKS LIKE A LOT ON THE EXEC, BUT I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY FAIRLY QUICKLY. OKAY. NO LEGAL QUESTIONS THERE. MM-HMM. SO A AND I ARE GONE. YEP. [04:00:03] OKAY. LET ME READ THIS REAL QUICK THEN. LET ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO TO [13. EXECUTIVE SESSION] EXECUTIVE SESSION 13 ONE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 51 0 7 1. CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY TO DELIBERATE AND SEEK LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING THE FOLLOWING LEGAL MATTERS. B HU V BROOKLYNS AT ALL CAUSE NUMBER 23 DASH 1222 DASH C3 95 PENDING IN THE 395TH DISTRICT COURT OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS C SERVICE AREA AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HU AND JONAH WATER SPECIALTY UTILITY DISTRICT, JONAH PURSUANT TO TEXAS WATER CODE. BLESS YOU. 13 2 48 TO TRANSFER 77.22 ACRE PROPERTY, ALSO KNOWN AS A KIRK TRACT FROM JONAH CC N HU CC ND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HU AND MASON GARRETT HEST AS TRUSTEE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE KIRK TRACT E RECHARGE WATER SALE AGREEMENT FOR THE WHOLESALE DELIVERY AND SALE OF POTABLE WATER DATED SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2023 AS AMENDED F GROUNDWATER RESERVATION AGREEMENT WITH EXPORT PERMIT FOR EPCOR AND OUR HOLDINGS INCORPORATED. G ADDENDUM TO THE EX ENGAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CHAPMAN FIRM PLLC FOR LEGAL SERVICES RELATED TO PROCUREMENT AND CLAIMS INVOLVING PUBLIC WORK PROJECTS. AND FINALLY, E OR I'M SORRY, DANG H WILLIAMSON COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT NUMBER THREE. INTERLOCAL SALES TAX SHARING AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF HU TIMES 1101. WE ADJOURN. 13 2 13 3. HOLY COW. I MISSED THOSE. YES, I THOUGHT THAT WAS LIKE WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU COME BACK. ALRIGHT, SORRY. 13 TWO. PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 51 0 7 1 ATTORNEY CONSULTATION AND PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0 7 2 REAL ESTATE TO DELIBERATE AND SEEK LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING A LEASE OF PROPERTY OWNED BY THE CITY OF HU AND 13 THREE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0 7 1. CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY AND SECTION 5 5 1 0 7 2 REAL ESTATE LIBERATION IN CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY INTEREST AS PART OF THE CR 1 32 PROJECT. CIPT 41 DASH 2025 A 2120 HU LLC PARCEL THREE. OKAY. TIME'S TURN 1102. DID WE TALK ABOUT 9 1 9 2? THAT'S AFTER. UH, OKAY, WE'RE DOING THAT. OKAY, JAMES, BE BACK ON HOUR. ALRIGHT, SO 1 0 8 ON AUGUST 8TH. WE'RE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION. NO ACTION WAS TAKEN. UH, NEXT ITEM WE HAVE UP, YOU WANT US TO DO THE 13 OR THE 14 ONES AND TWOS AND THEN GO TO THE NINE? UM, OR DO NINE FIRST. GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE 9.1 'CAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE. OKAY. NEXT WE'LL GO TO ITEM [9.1. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-175 approving the Municipal Services Agreement for the proposed annexation of the Kirk tract, 77.2 acres, more or less, of land, located off FM1660S. (John Byrum) ] NINE ONE. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION AND RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2025 DASH 1 75 APPROVING THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION OF THE KIRK TRACK. 77.2 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED OFF FM 1660 SOUTH AND MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I BELIEVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADD, UH, TO THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT AND UPDATED WATER AND WASTEWATER SER TO THE MISCELLANEOUS PROVISION. AND THEN BRING THIS BACK ON SEPTEMBER 4TH. ALL RIGHT, SO WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE ANY ACTION THEN. DOTY, UH, THIS IS POSTED FOR PUBLIC HEARING. I WAS NOT NO, WE'RE DOING THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE AGREEMENT FIRST. OH, I'M SORRY. I WAS READING THAT ONE. IT SAID PUBLIC HEARING. YEAH, WE'RE GOING NEXT. OKAY, BACK ON WHAT DATE? HOLD ON THERE. SEPTEMBER. SEPTEMBER 4TH . OH, I'M SORRY. SEPTEMBER 4TH. FOURTH, CORRECT. THAT IS THE DATE, ISN'T IT? YEAH. SO WE'RE NOT DOING A MOTION ON IT, WE'RE JUST DIRECTING SNAP. UH, WE WE CAN, YEAH, YOU CAN DO A MOTION. THAT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. SO WHAT MAYOR SAID, MOTION TO, WHAT WAS IT? ADD THE UPDATED SER TO THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT AND THEN BRING IT BACK ON SEPTEMBER 4TH. YEP. WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MAYOR PRO TIM THORNTON. AYE. MOTION AND PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. [9.2. Conduct a public hearing and possible action on Ordinance No. 0-2025-026 approving the Annexation of the Kirk tract, 77 .2 acres, more or less, of land, located off FM 1660S. (John Byrum) ] NEXT WE HAVE ITEM NINE TWO. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER O DASH 2025 DASH 0 2 6 APPROVING THE ANNEXATION OF THE KIRK TRACK. 77.2 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED OFF OF FM 1660 SOUTH. AND WE'LL PUT THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 1:10 AM ON AUGUST 8TH, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. 'CAUSE THE, [04:05:01] UH, MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT IS NOT GONNA BE BROUGHT BACK UNTIL NINE FOUR. WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, TAKE TESTIMONY AND KEEP IT OPEN UNTIL THE SAME DATE. WHAT'S THAT, WHAT'S THAT PHRASE CALLED THAT YOU SAY TO USE? UM, YOU KEEP IT OPEN FOR THIS ONE. WE JUST, UH, KEEP IT OPEN AND POSTPONE IT TO NINE FOUR. THE OTHER STATE LAW REQUIRED THE USE OF THE WORD ADJOURN TO A DIFFERENT DAY. OKAY. NINE FOUR. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISHES TO COME UP AND SPEAK REGARDING THIS ITEM? APPRECIATE YOU WAITING UNTIL ONE. I HAD A GOAL OF GETTING OUTTA HERE AT 11 TONIGHT, BUT WE, SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA ASK ME TO SIT BACK DOWN, CHRIS. NO. OH NO. WE BLEW THAT ON YOU GUYS DOING ALL RIGHT? YES, SIR. UM, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE UH, MY NAME'S NATHAN HESS. SORRY. WELL, MY WIFE AND I OWN THIS PROPERTY. WE'RE THE DEVELOPERS, UM, I GUESS ON NINE ONE AND NINE TWO. THESE ARE TOGETHER. UM, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE RIGHT NOW? IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. SO THE MSA, THE, THE MSA GOT POSTPONED YES. UNTIL NINE FOUR TO GET THE UPDATED SCR FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER. OKAY. IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO? UH, YES SIR. OKAY. I THINK TYPICALLY THE PROCESS IS THAT THEY EXPIRE AFTER 180 DAYS AND ONE OF 'EM, I BELIEVE WAS DONE IN 2022 AND ONE, I THINK WAS DONE MID 2024. CORRECT. AND LOOK, I KNOW FOR YOU ALL, I I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH YOU ALL. OKAY. MY ISSUE IS THE SAME ISSUE I'VE HAD WITH OTHER TRACKS OF LAND, NOT IN OUR CCN. AND IT'S A CONCERN. THERE'S JUST BEING COMPLETELY UPFRONT. UM, I'LL CALL MYSELF THE RINGLEADER. THERE'S SURE. THE LAND NEXT TO COVERT, UH, PERSON WANTED TO BUILD SOME APARTMENTS. INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WASN'T IN OUR CCN. JONAH COULDN'T SUPPLY WATER. UM, THERE WAS, UH, LAND AT, UM, 6 85 AND ONE 30. THEY WANTED TO COME OUT OF THE MUD AND JOIN THE CITY AND BE IN THE CITY CCN. AND EACH TIME, LIKE HE WAS JUST TELLING ME, I'VE NEVER VOTED FOR A, A DEBT INCREASE. I THINK I DID SOMEWHERE IN MY TIME. BUT, UM, I, I'VE BEEN VERY MUCH AGAINST DOING ANY OF THAT. AND THE PRIMARY REASON HAS BEEN I'M NOT CONFIDENT IN, IN WHERE OUR WATER'S GONNA COME FROM AT SOME POINT. AND WE'RE GOING TO RUN OUT AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE A DEAL THAT WE WILL KNOW IN TWO MONTHS, UM, A BETTER, UM, UM, A POSSIBLY TWO MONTHS IF WE VOTE TO DO IT. UM, A BETTER PICTURE WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT. BUT WE'RE STRUGGLING TO GET WATER HERE TO 2020. UH, WAS IT 2030? 20 31, 20 32. AND SO FOR ME, THE, THE, MY NIGHTMARE THING I GO TO BED THINKING IS NOT TRAFFIC ON THE ROADS. IT IS WHAT HAPPENS IF THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE WATER? AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE LIKE DRIPPING SPRINGS ROUND ROCK 30 YEARS AGO AND WE DON'T HAVE WATER. SO WHAT WE'VE ASKED THE PEOPLE THAT WERE OVER BY COVERT BEFORE WAS YOU FIND WATER FROM SOMEBODY FROM JONAH, WE CAN SUPPLY YOU TEMPORARILY IF YOU CAN WORK A DEAL OUT WITH JONAH IN THE FUTURE. WE ALSO HAVE, UM, THE HU GATEWAY. HAVE YOU HEARD OF THAT PROJECT? YES, SIR. BEAUTIFUL LOOKING PROJECT. WE SAID NO TO THEM UNLESS THEY CAN FIND WATER FROM MANVILLE. AND IF YOU CAN FIND, IF MANVILLE SAYS WE'RE FIVE YEARS AWAY, THEY WERE, IT SOUNDED LIKE WE DIDN'T VOTE ON IT, BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE WE WERE WILLING TO GIVE THEM WATER FOR FIVE YEARS UNTIL MANVILLE CAME. BUT IF THEY COULDN'T GET WATER FROM MANVILLE, WE WERE SAYING NO. SURE. AND SO FOR ME, IT'S JUST BEEN NO ACROSS THE BOARD UNLESS THERE'S SOME KIND OF THING. SO, UM, ONCE YOU HEAR THAT FROM ME THAT, UM, YEAH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT IN FAVOR, HAVEN'T BEEN IN FAVOR, AND I THINK YOU'RE IN EVEN A MORE DIFFICULT SPOT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE WATER CLOSE TO YOU LIKE MAYBE MANVILLE MAY, BUT I THINK WE'RE TAKING THE STEPS FORWARD. WE HAVE AGREED TO AN AGREEMENT, UM, THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE NEED TO ANNEX YOU GUYS. UM, SO I THINK THIS IS A NEXT STEP IN THAT, IN THAT PROCESS, WHETHER, HONESTLY, WHETHER I LIKE IT OR NOT, OR WHETHER SOME OF US LIKE IT. UM, I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE PATH HERE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. WELL THE, SO WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT'S BEEN EXECUTED THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY MENTION OF AN SER REQUIREMENT. SO LEGALLY YOU GUYS HAVE A CONTRACT WITH US TO PROVIDE US SERVICE IF WE CAN GET OUT OF JONAH. SO Y'ALL HAD AN, UH, AN ITEM ON YOUR EXECUTIVE AGENDA. JONAH'S BOARD HAS APPROVED A SWAP, THEY'LL RELEASE US AND Y'ALL CAN ACCEPT US INTO YOUR CCN. WHERE DID Y'ALL LAND ON THAT? WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON THAT YET. OKAY. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ARE PURSUING A APPLICATION WITH THE PUC. WE'RE 90 DAYS INTO THAT. WE'RE ACTUALLY A YEAR INTO THAT. BUT WE HAD TO PAUSE IT BECAUSE, [04:10:01] UM, WE'RE GOING, WE'RE, I CAN BACK UP LIKE FOUR YEARS. WE'VE BEEN JUST DILIGENTLY TRYING TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH, WITH THE CITY AND COOPERATE WITH YOU GUYS AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, CREATE A PLAN THAT MATCHES WITH YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND WHICH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, IT HAS RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH OF THE SOUTHEAST LOOP AND HAS COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE PLAN THAT'S BEEN APPROVED IN OUR DA. UM, SO WE HAVE RESUBMITTED OUR APPLICATION WITH THE PUC TO BE REMOVED VOLUNTARILY FROM THAT CCN, UM, WHICH WE JUST HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. IT'S A FORMALITY. WE HAVE MORE THAN 25 CONTINUOUS ACRES THERE. MM-HMM . SO WE WILL GET OUT, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME IN ORDER TO STREAMLINE THAT JONAH'S BOARD HAS APPROVED THE SWAP AND GIVEN YOU GUYS THAT DOCUMENT. SO OBVIOUSLY I'LL CAN VOTE ON THAT. IF YOU DON'T, UH, GO WITH THAT ROUTE, THEN WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THE PUC AND WE, WE WILL GET OUT. BUT THE MSA DOESN'T AND THE ANNEXATION IS LINED OUT IN THE UM, DA. SO, UM, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE WE GET KIND OF STUMPED IS, UM, YOU KNOW, EARLIER, LIKE ITEM NINE THREE, A DEVELOPER STOOD UP HERE AND YOU SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL PARAPHRASE IT OR WHATEVER, BUT WHAT, WHAT'D YOU TELL THAT GUY? I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS NINE THREE ABOUT? IT'S THE HIGHWAY ONE 30 YOU SAID. YOU SAID THE ISSUE IS A DEVELOPER GETS A DA APPROVED. OH. AND IT'S SIX MONTHS BEFORE THEY'RE ANNEXED AND IT'S SIX, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE STEPS BEFORE AND IT SHOULD JUST HAPPEN LIKE THAT. OUR DA Y'ALL HAVE AGREED TO ANNEX US. YOU'VE AGREED TO Z US YOU'VE AGREED TO PROVIDE A SERVICE. IF WE CAN GET OUTTA JONAH, AND THAT'S THE VERBIAGE IN THE, IN THE MSA AS WELL. SO TO, TO APPROVE THE MSA, WHICH IS AN ACTION ITEM, YOU'RE LITERALLY ACCEPTING THE VERBIAGE YOU'VE ALREADY ACCEPTED IN OUR DA, WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO GET ANNEXED AND ZONED. AND THEN IF WE GET, THAT'S OUR PROBLEM. IF Y'ALL WANT TO, UH, NOT VOTE FOR THE, UM, SWAP, IT'S OUR PROBLEM TO GET OUT OF THE CCN. IT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM. SO IF WE DON'T GET OUT OF THE CCN, JONAH PROVIDES OUR WATER. ALRIGHT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OH YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN I I THINK THAT'S, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHEN JONAH PROVIDES THE WATER, WHICH IS, I MEAN, IF WE'RE BEING HONEST, THAT'S WHY YOU WANTED TO COME TO THE HU CCN RIGHT? BECAUSE CORRECT. JONAH PROVIDING WATER IS NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN IN THE NEAR FUTURE. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND THAT'S BEEN OUR BIGGEST HANGUP IS, IS I DON'T FEEL LIKE WATER IS IMMINENT NOW, UM, TRUTH BE TOLD, WHEN SOMEONE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET WATER FROM, SAY JONAH, AND THEY HAVE WATER, THEY ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION OF NOT ANNEXING INTO THE CITY. AND BY NOT ANNEXING IN, THEY CAN GO THROUGH SEPTIC OR DO A, A, A, A PACKAGE PLANT. AND WE'VE BEEN VERY MUCH AGAIN SENT AND FOUGHT THOSE. BUT THE FEW INSTANCES WHERE SOMEONE DIDN'T HAVE WATER, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED AT 6 85 AND ONE 30, THEY DIDN'T HAVE WATER FROM, UH, THEIR MUD. AND SO THEY CAME UP AND SAID, I CAN'T GET WATER FROM THE MUD. WE LET US IN. AND WE KIND OF SAID NO. AND THEN WITH THIS ISSUE HERE, IT WAS KIND OF THE SAME THING. I FELT LIKE JONAH'S NOT GONNA GET YOU GUYS WATER ANYTIME SOON. AND WHILE I FEEL FREE YOU ON THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IN, IN MY MIND, OUR DUTY IS TO THE PEOPLE IN THE CCN FIRST. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SUPPLY MAPPED OUT LONG TERM, I MEAN WE'RE IN A LAWSUIT ON, ON TRYING TO GET WATER THAT'S TRYING TO BE DONE. IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, THEN I CAN'T CONSCIOUSLY THEN GIVE WATER TO SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S NOT IN. NOW IT, IT, THIS IS MY OPINION AGAIN, BUT IF YOU GUYS WERE DOING A HOTEL INDUSTRIAL BUILDING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, PEOPLE ARE LOOKING INTO THAT. THEY WANT JOBS. THE ONE THING WE GET JUST, I MEAN, BEAT UP ON UP HERE IS IF IT'S AN APARTMENT NOW YOU CAN ADD FOOD PLACES TO THAT. THEY DON'T EVEN CARE IF IT'S A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT ANYMORE. THEY'RE UPSET ABOUT THAT. THEY WANT ROADS AND THEY WANT JOBS AND THEY'RE NOT SAYING THEY WANT HOMES AND APARTMENTS. AND SO, UM, THAT'S THE THING FOR ME HAS BEEN THAT BECAUSE YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE WATER AND DON'T HAVE A ROUTE TO GET IT SOON BY US SAYING, NO, WE DO HAVE WATER AND WE DO HAVE A ROUTE TO GET IT SOON WE HAVE 333 OS IN OUR DA I'M TALKING FROM JONAH, WE'RE GONNA GET OUT OF JONAH. RIGHT, RIGHT. I'M [04:15:01] SAYING IF WE DIDN'T DO THAT AGREEMENT, YOU ALL WOULDN'T HAVE WATER ANYTIME SOON. YEAH. BECAUSE WE'RE, WE HAVE AN APPLICATION WITH THE PUC TO GET REMOVED FROM THEIR CCN. OKAY, SO THEN WHERE WOULD YOU WATER SO YOU CAN VOLUNTARILY REMOVE, I UNDERSTAND IF YOU HAD 25 ACRES OR MORE. SO THEN WHERE WOULD YOU GET THE WATER FROM? FROM YOU? UH, JUST 'CAUSE YOU GET OUTTA JO JONAH DOESN'T MEAN WE HA PRE AGREEMENT. OKAY. PRE AGREEMENT. JUST 'CAUSE YOU GET OUTTA JONAH DOES NOT MEAN WE HAVE TO GIVE YOU WATER. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN AGREEMENT WE HAVE THOUGH. NO, I'M, I'M TELLING YOU WHERE I GOT TO THIS POINT PERSONALLY. OKAY. OKAY. PREVIOUS AGREEMENT. THE REASON I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF YOUR AGREEMENT IS 'CAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE JONAH WAS GONNA GIVE YOU WATER ANYTIME SOON. LIKE, NOT EVEN IN SEVERAL YEARS. AND SO FOR ME, THERE WAS NO HARM IN SAYING, LOOK, WHILE I FEEL FOR YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE A PLAN B THAT'S FEASIBLE ANYTIME SOON. AND SO I DON'T WANNA GIVE WHAT WE HAVE LEFT ON OUR SIDE TO YOU GUYS. AND SO OTHER PEOPLE FEEL LIKE YOU DID HAVE A PLAN B THAT IF WE SAID NO, YOU'LL JUST GO THIS OTHER PLAN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, YOUR BUILDING. AND I WAS WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK THAT YOU COULDN'T DO THAT. RIGHT. AND SO NOW WE, NOW WE DO HAVE AN AGREEMENT AND WE HAVE TO ANNEX YOU IN SOMETIME IN THE NEXT 15 YEARS. THE WAY WE UNDERSTAND THE AGREEMENT AND WE'RE ON OUR PATH TO GO DOWN THAT. BUT EVERYBODY WHO COMES INTO CITY, EVERYBODY HAS TO DO AN SER AND THEY DO EXPIRE. HUNDRED. WE'VE DONE AN SCR, BUT IT'S EXPIRED. BUT WE HAVE A DA NOW THAT DOESN'T MATTER. THE DA DOTTIE, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THIS? WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET INTO A DEBATE HERE. WE'RE, WE'RE DOING A, NO, IT'S NOT A DEBATE. IT'S DO YOU WANT LEGAL COUNSEL OR NOT? NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR DEAL. WE'RE DOING A PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. WHEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. SO YOU, SO Y'ALL HAVE AN ACTION ITEM TO APPROVE OUR MSA AND ANNEX ACCESS, CORRECT? NO, WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE MSA. YOU'VE APPROVED IT. AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE DID LAST. OH, THE LAST, LAST LAST DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT? DO I WE'RE HERE. NINE ONE IS MY MSA, RIGHT? AND NINE ONE, DO YOU WANNA APPROVE IT? RIGHT? NINE ONE, WE JUST VOTED TO PUSH IT TO NINE FOUR. OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT DOING THAT TONIGHT. AND WHY ARE WE PUSHING IT? OKAY, YOU SAT BACK THERE. IT'S BECAUSE YOU NEED TO UPDATE. YOUR SER STAFF IS RECOMMENDING YOU UPDATE YOUR WATER AND YOUR WASTEWATER SER STAFF IS RECOMMENDING IT. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT OF ACCEPTING AN MSA LEGALLY. DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THIS? SHE'S NOT, LISTEN SIR, WE'RE DOING A PUBLIC HEARING. I'M JUST RIGHT. I'M TELLING YOU, IF YOU WERE LISTENING BACK THERE, SHE WAS STANDING RIGHT THERE AND THE WORDS OUTTA HER MOUTH WERE, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO DO A WATER AND WASTEWATER. THIS COUNCIL TOOK THAT ADVICE AND VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO REQUIRE YOU TO DO A WATER AND A WASTEWATER SCR TO UPDATE IT PER OUR ORDINANCES. YOU WANNA COME INTO OUR CITY, YOU'RE GONNA START FOLLOWING OUR ORDINANCES, WHICH REQUIRE THAT, WHETHER YOU LIKE THAT OR NOT, AND TO BRING IT BACK ON SEPTEMBER 4TH. OKAY. DO YOU, YOU CAN RECALL THE ITEM. I HAVE NO PROBLEM RECALLING THE ITEM AND GOING, YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T EVEN WANNA WAIT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 4TH. I DON'T WANNA DO IT AT ALL. I'M GOING DOWN A PATH I DON'T PERSONALLY WANNA GO DOWN. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IF YOU WANNA ARGUE THIS, I DON'T THINK YOU DO. IF YOU WANNA ARGUE THIS, I HAVE NO PROBLEM. I DO WANNA ARGUE IT. YOU SAY I DON'T. I DO. OKAY. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE AT, I'LL PULL THIS ITEM ONE 30 IN THE MORNING, THEN I'LL PULL THIS ITEM UP. OKAY. AND I WILL TRY TO GET THE VOTES TO NOT EVER ACT ON THIS AGAIN. AND YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO THAT'S FINE DOWN WITH ME. BECAUSE DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE A CONTRACT WITH US? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE OBLIGATIONS THAT YOU NO, YOU HAVE OBLIGATIONS. OKAY. WHAT ARE YOUR OBLIGATIONS? I'M, I'M, WHAT ARE THEY? I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA ENTERTAIN THIS ANYMORE PERSONALLY. OKAY, SO LET, LET ME, LET ME SAY SOMETHING. SO I, I MEAN, NO, HOW, LEMME HOLD ON. LEMME SPEAK, LEMME SPEAK. HOLD ON, HOLD ON. SO I KNOW YOU'RE FRUSTRATED. I KNOW THIS IS A VERY FRUSTRATING THING FOR YOU. I MEAN, I, I I GET IT. UM, WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDED TO US AND, AND THE ADVICE THAT WE TOOK WAS LET'S GIVE IT A MONTH. LET'S DO THE MSA ON SEPTEMBER 4TH, LET'S LOOK FOR A PATH FORWARD SO THAT ALL COUNCIL CAN GET ON BOARD WITH THIS. BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT NOT ALL THE COUNCIL IS HAPPY THAT, THAT YOUR DA GOT APPROVED. OKAY? NOT, NOT EVERY, IT WAS A FOUR THREE VOTE, RIGHT? SO NOT EVERYONE WAS. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, IS WORK TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN GET EVERYONE ON BOARD AND THEN HELP YOU MOVE FORWARD. AND IF IT TAKES AN EXTRA MONTH TO DO THAT, THAT'S WHY I VOTED IN FAVOR OF MOVING IT OUT A MONTH. BECAUSE I FIGURE RATHER THAN GET A HARD NOTE TONIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DELAY IT A MONTH. HAVE YOU UPDATE YOUR SCR BECAUSE STAFF TOLD US AND RECOMMENDED TO US THAT THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. WE NEED TO UPDATE YOUR SER. WE NEED TO, TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, BUTTONED UP AND TIED UP AND EVERYTHING. SO THAT ON THE FOURTH, WE CAN THEN VOTE TO APPROVE THE MSA, WHICH WAS DENIED LAST MEETING, WHICH WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT AGAIN. I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AGAIN. I WANNA APPROVE YOUR MSAI. IT'S, I'M, I'M WELCOME THAT, YEAH. SO [04:20:01] IT, IT'S FINE. OKAY. IF Y'ALL WANT TO DO THAT, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. I, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR US, THE STAFF IS NOT THE ATTORNEYS. THE STAFF IS NOT, WE'VE BEEN LISTENING TO STAFF FOR FOUR YEARS. GUYS, Y'ALL UNDERSTAND THAT? NO, WE DON'T. BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU DON'T. NO. THE FIRST TIME WE HEARD ABOUT YOUR DEAL WAS IN JANUARY. OKAY. WELL, SO WHY IS THAT? WELL, I HAVE NO IDEA. I MEAN, DID YOU REACH OUT TO AN ELECTED OFFICIAL BEFORE JANUARY? YEAH. WHICH ONE? WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF SINCE 2021. I SAID AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. DID YOU REACH OUT TO AN ELECTED OFFICIAL PRIOR TO JANUARY? WE FILED AN ANNEXATION APPLICATION. WE DON'T SEE THOSE. OKAY. DID YOU REACH OUT TO AN ELECTED OFFICIAL PRIOR TO JANUARY, 2025? 'CAUSE THE ONLY WAY WE ARE GOING TO KNOW WAS YES, I DID. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. OKAY. WELL, YOU DIDN'T REACH OUT TO ME, SO I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. I DID REACH OUT TO YOU PRIOR TO JANUARY LAST YEAR. I REACHED OUT TO YOU. I DON'T, I I'LL HAVE TO LOOK. I CAN SHOW YOU YOUR EMAIL, WHICH YOU'RE TOO BUSY TO MEET. DID I SAY THAT YOU DID? OH, WELL, PLEASE FORWARD THAT OR POST IT SOMEWHERE. I'D BE SHOCKED IF I I DON'T WANNA FORWARD IT OR POST IT. I'M JUST SAYING, I'D BE SHOCKED IF I RESPONDED TO YOU AND SAID I WAS TOO BUSY. THAT IS WHAT YOU SAID. WHAT, WHAT IS THE POINT OF YOU SAYING THAT TO ME THOUGH? WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE STAFF FOR FOUR YEARS. WE HAVE SUBMITTED ANNEXATION PAPERS, WE'VE SUBMITTED WATER STUDIES. EXCUSE ME, SIR. YES. YES, MA'AM. AS THE COUNCIL OF PARLIAMENTARIAN, WE'RE IN A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS, UH, 9 3 9 2 FOR THE ANN ANNEX SESSION. AND YOU'RE REALLY BEYOND, UH, PUBLIC HEARING BACK AND FORTH. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL, WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT NINE TWO UNLESS WE TALK ABOUT NINE ONE, WHICH IS THE MSA. Y'ALL WILL NOT ALLOW US TO ANNEX WITHOUT AN MSA. WE WERE HERE THREE WEEKS AGO WITH AN MSA THAT YOU GUYS VOTED DOWN. SO YOU JUST TOLD A DEVELOPER BEFORE US. YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS? A DA GETS EXECUTED AND IT'S SIX MONTHS BEFORE THEY GET THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GET THEIR PROJECT ROLLING. THAT'S WHAT YOU JUST TOLD THE GUY ON NINE THREE WHO LEFT BECAUSE HE HAS A DA EXECUTED AND NOW HE'S GOING THROUGH ALL THESE HOOPS WITH THE CITY BECAUSE HE CAN'T GET ANNEXED AND ZONED AND ALL THE THINGS HE NEEDS TO DO TO DEVELOP HIS PROJECT. AND YOU SAID, THAT'S A SHAME. WE NEED TO MAKE THIS PROCESS BETTER. AND NOW WE'RE STANDING UP HERE WITH A DA THAT WAS SIGNED IN APRIL AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET ANNEX. IT'S FOUR MONTHS LATER AND Y'ALL KEEP PUSHING. WE CAN'T GET ANNEX UNTIL WE HAVE AN MSA. THIS IS OUR SECOND MEETING ON THE MSA. THE FIRST ONE WAS PUSHED TO HERE SO Y'ALL COULD GET LEGAL COUNSEL. WELL, Y'ALL GOT THAT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND NOW YOU WANNA PUSH IT TO THE FOURTH. WHAT ARE WE DOING? Y'ALL ARE EITHER GONNA VIOLATE OUR AGREEMENT OR YOU'RE GONNA PERFORM AS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PERFORM. SO WHAT DO Y'ALL WANNA DO? RIGHT? ARE YOU DONE? I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'M NOT DONE. OKAY. IT'S NOT A BACK AND FORTH. RIGHT? WE, WE'VE KIND OF ENTERTAINED THIS A BIT. WE, I'VE HEARD, WE'VE ALL HEARD WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING, AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING? I'M ENDING. IF YOU WANT, I'LL END. I'LL JUST END THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THAT'S GONNA MESS IT UP. AND THEN YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT ON SEPTEMBER 4TH. I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO WORK WITH YOU HERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO TELL YOU. WE, WE MADE A VOTE. OKAY. OKAY. AND SO WHAT'S THE VOTE? IF YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE, IF YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO SAY FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING, THEN I'M GONNA ASK THAT WE END THIS. OKAY? OKAY. I WILL JUST SAY THIS. OKAY. THE LAST DEVELOPER THAT WAS UP HERE, YOU SAID TO HIM, HEY, I'M SORRY Y'ALL HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT EXECUTED. I'M, I APOLOGIZE. IT'S TAKING THIS LONG. HERE IS OUR STEPS FORWARD THE NEXT MEETING. WE'RE GONNA APPROVE THESE THINGS. THE NEXT MEETING, WE'RE GONNA APPROVE THESE THINGS. THAT'S WHAT YOU TOLD THE GUY. THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS TOLD THE GUY. YEAH. HE'S DOING IT. SO WHAT, WHAT IS OUR PATH FORWARD? OKAY, I'LL SAY IT ONE MORE TIME AND THEN LITERALLY I CANNOT SAY IT ANYMORE. CLEAR. WE TOOK STAFF ADVICE. WE PASSED A MOTION TO HAVE STAFF REQUIRE YOU TO UPDATE YOUR WATER AND WASTEWATER. SER YOU MAY NOT LIKE THAT. THAT'S NOT MY PROBLEM. THAT'S THE VOTE THAT WE TOOK ON THE SEVEN OH VOTE STAFF'S GONNA CONTACT YOU AND TELL YOU TO UPDATE YOUR WATER AND, AND WASTEWATER. SER, AND THEN IT'S GONNA COME BACK TO SEPTEMBER 4TH. YOU DON'T LIKE IT. TAKE A DIFFERENT MEASURE. TAKE A DIFFERENT PATH OF ACTION. THE WHOLE COUNTS HAVE VOTED THAT WAY. YOU WERE HERE. THAT'S SO YOU KEEP ASKING WHAT'S THE PATH FORWARD? THAT'S YOUR PATH FORWARD TO UPDATE OUR SCR AND OUR WASTEWATER. YES. FOR YOUR MSA TO COME BACK ON SEPTEMBER 4TH WITH AN UPDATED WATER AND [04:25:01] WASTEWATER. SER WHAT, WHAT IS THE VERBIAGE IN THE MSA? UM, YOU WANNA KNOW THE PATH FORWARD. I TOLD YOU THE PATH. I'M NOT GETTING INTO ALL THAT. WHAT IS AN UPDATED SER? HOW DOES IT AFFECT THAT? WELL, PART OF IT'S THE ORDINANCE IN OUR, IN OUR, IT'S PART OF THE PROCESS IN THIS HERE POINT OF ORDER. YEAH. POINT OF ORDER. IT'S PART, EXCUSE ME. A PUBLIC HEARING. TO MY UNDERSTANDING AS REPUBLIC SPEAKS OUT ABOUT THEIR OPINION AND THEIR, UM, CONCERNS AND, AND THEIR LIKES, THEIR LIKES AND DISLIKES. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THIS'S A BACK AND FORTH. I THOUGHT YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. IT'S OPEN. THEY MAKE THEIR STATEMENT. UM, THE COUNCIL IS NOT AT LIBERTY TO RESPOND TO THINGS EXCEPT FOR CLARIFICATIONS AND FACTS IF THEY UNDERSTAND. SO IF YOU SAY THERE WERE 300 UNITS OF SOMETHING, THEN IT WAS REALLY ONLY 200. WE MAY CORRECT THAT, BUT AS FAR AS A BACK AND FORTH, THAT IS NOT WHAT A PUBLIC HEARING OR PUBLIC COMMENT IS. OKAY. YOU, YOU STATE THE PUBLIC STATES WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY, AND IN A PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE'S EVEN THREE MINUTES. BUT A PUBLIC HEARING, IT GOES FURTHER THAN THAT. OKAY. BUT AFTER THAT, IT'S DONE. POINT WELL TAKEN. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. YEP. SO WE CAN KEEP GOING. NOPE, WE'RE DONE. THANK YOU, SIR. SO JUST BE PATIENT WITH US. WE'RE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH IT. I MEAN, I, I I CAN SENSE YOU'RE FRUSTRATION. I CAN TELL YOU'RE FRUSTRATED. UM, BE PATIENT. I I I'M JUST ASKING YOU, BEGGING YOU BE PATIENT. IT'S GONNA COME BACK IN A MONTH. I KNOW THAT THAT'S ANOTHER MONTH THAT YOU'VE LOST AND IT'S, I SUPER FRUSTRATING. AND I GET YOUR POINT ABOUT NINE THREE BECAUSE IT APPEARED WE WERE TELLING AN, AN, A DEVELOPER THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE HEARING TONIGHT. I, I GET THAT. UM, WE'VE, JUST TO BE CLEAR THOUGH, YOU, YOU GUYS ARE REQUIRING THINGS OF US THAT ARE NOT IN OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THAT'S JUST TO BE CLEAR, TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING GOING. DO I, IS THERE A MOTION NEED TO BE MADE OR WE JUST SAY IT? I WOULD, UH, POSTPONE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE, POSTPONE AND KEEP OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL SEPTEMBER 4TH. SECOND. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MORRIS. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. OKAY. THANKS SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO WAS THERE ANY OTHER ACTION NEEDED ON NINE TWO OR IS THAT THE ONLY ONE? THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE. OKAY. [14. ACTION RELATIVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION] NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 14, ONE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ABOVE. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2 0 2 5 DASH 90. AND THIS WAS RELATED TO HU BROOKLYN, RIGHT? YES, SIR. OKAY. WHICH ITEM UNDER 13 WAS THAT? OH. 13. UH, BB WE HAVE A SECOND. A SECOND. OBJECTION BY COUNCIL REPORTED FIELD. ANY DISCUSSION? AND JUST TO CLARIFY, FOR THE PUBLIC, THIS, THIS RESOLUTION IS FOR A, UM, WE CAN SAY WHAT IS FOR CORRECT? YES. IT, IT'S, IT'S FOR A, A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. CORRECT. THAT, THAT'S BEEN ENTERED INTO. ALRIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. DO I HAVE ANY OTHERS? YES. MAYOR COUNCIL FOR, UH, 13 ONE F THE, UH, AGREEMENT WITH EPCOR. UM, WE PREPARED RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 1 93 TO APPROVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDED AND RESTATED, UH, GROUNDWATER RESERVATION AGREEMENT WITH EPCOR. YOU REQUEST THAT YOU CONSIDER APPROVING THAT. SO MOVED. WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND ABOUT PORTERFIELD. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE COUNCIL, I'M SORRY. CAN YOU RECALL THAT? I FORGOT TO ADD [04:30:01] THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THE HOUSE BILL 1295 AND THE STATUTORY VERIFICATIONS. WE NEED TO ADD THAT TO THE AGREEMENT. ALRIGHT, SO RECALL ITEM F GROUNDWATER RESERVATION AGREEMENT WITH EXPORT PERMIT FOR F COURT AND OUR HOLDINGS INCORPORATED. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THOSE ADDITIONS? YES. ALRIGHT. DO WE NEED TO REVOTE? UM, PROBABLY SHOULD. YEAH. YEAH, IT WAS, WHAT WAS IT? HOUSE BILL WHAT? 1290. 1295. UM, THEY DIDN'T HAVE IN THE, UH, AMENDED AGREEMENT. THE REQUIREMENT FOR HOUSE BILL 1295. OKAY. IN THE STATUTORY VERIFICATIONS, THE NO BOYCOTT OF ISRAEL SEDAN AND ENERGY COMPANIES AND FIREARMS. OKAY. ALL THE, ALL THE GOOD STUFF. YEP. FIREWORKS. FIREWORKS. YEAH. FIREWORKS. I INTO THAT TOO. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. SEVEN OH ON THAT ONE. ALRIGHT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SOLUTION R DASH 2025 DASH 1 91. THAT'S FOR ITEM 13. ONE G SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. UH, WE HAVE ANYTHING FOR 13 TWO ? NO. UM, WE GOTTA GO SOME DIRECTION ON THAT, RIGHT? UM, NO. THE ONE IS 13 THREE. 13 TWO IS THE CHANGES TO THE LEASE. RIGHT? WE, UM, UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE AND WE'LL MAKE THOSE AND PRESENT THEM TO THE PROPOSED. AND THEN 14 TWO IS 13. THREE. OKAY. ALRIGHT, SO I THINK THAT'S IN THE THIRTEENS 14 TWO CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2025 DASH 180 6 AUTHORIZING THE ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY INTEREST AS PART OF THE CR 1 32 PROJECT CIPT 41 DASH 2025 A. 2120 HU LLC PARCEL THREE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT AS PRESENTED. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILOR PORTERFIELD. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. MAYOR SCHNEIDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN. WE SAY THE BEST FOR LAST OUT OF 8.1. GENERAL COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL OH [8.1. Budget Presentation for Fiscal Year 2025-2026. (City Manager James Earp) ] 8.1. BUDGET PRESENTATION FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 TO 2026. WELL, I WOULD HONESTLY SAY DID NOT HAVE BUDGET PRESENTATION STARTING AFTER 1:30 AM ON MY BINGO CARD FOR TODAY. ? NO, IT'S NOT UP HERE. OH, . PETER. LOOK, I DID SAY IT WAS A BUSY TITLE. MAYOR COUNCIL, UH, FOR THE RECORD, JAMES RP, CITY MANAGER. I'M PLEASED TO PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF THIS YEAR'S PROPOSED BUDGET. WE'VE ALREADY PROVIDED THE HARD COPY, UH, AND ELECTRONICALLY FOR THE PUBLIC TO VIEW. SO THIS IS, UM, NOT THE LINE ITEMS PER SE. THIS IS THE IMPORTANT, UH, ASPECTS OF THE BUDGET FOR YOU TO BE AWARE OF. UM, I'VE GOT ABOUT, UH, 75 STAFF MEMBERS I NEED TO THANK IN PREPARATION FOR, UH, GETTING THE BUDGET PREPARED AND, UH, BUT, BUT FRANKLY, THE TWO THAT ARE STILL BACK THERE, UH, THE THREE THAT ARE STILL BACK THERE, THE ONES THAT REALLY GET THE KUDOS. SO THANKS TO, UH, WHO ELSE IS SCHOOL BEHIND ME? MATT WINOOSKI. YEP, THAT'S RIGHT. UM, SO ALBERTA, MATT, MATT, AND, UH, AND KATE. SO THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO. UM, YEP. Y'ALL HAVE ACCESS? YEP. OKAY. FOUR STRATEGIC PILLARS, YOU KNOW, AND THE SIX AREAS WE FOCUSED ON. Y'ALL KNOW, HERE'S THE MAIN CHANGES FROM WHAT I PROPOSED THAT I WOULD LIKELY BE FUNDING TO WHAT ACTUALLY GOT FUNDED. SO EVERYTHING ON THIS LIST GOT ELIMINATED FROM [04:35:01] MY PROPOSED BUDGET. UM, THE, THE MAIN REASON FOR THIS IS WE WERE OPERATING UNDER A, UH, AN ESTIMATED NO NEW REVENUE RATE THAT AFTER THE ASSESSOR PROVIDED US, THE CERTIFIED RATE WAS, WAS OFF BY ABOUT A PENNY, WHICH MEANT I HAD TO CUT APPROXIMATELY 500,000 PLUS DOLLARS OUTTA MY PROPOSED BUDGET ON THURSDAY, UM, RIGHT BEFORE I PROPOSED TO YOU GUYS. SO, UH, WE ELIMINATED THE, THE WEATHER MONITORING STATIONS AND THE NOTIFICATION STATIONS. WE ELIMINATED A DUMP TRUCK DRUM, UH, THE DRUM ROLLER, A MINI EXCAVATOR, THE FLEET LIFT, UM, THE PUBLIC WORDS, PUBLIC WORKS YARD, ELECTRICAL WORK. AND THE, WE REDUCED OUR COMPUTER REPLACEMENTS THIS YEAR, UM, ON OUR, ON OUR NORMAL RE COMP REPLACEMENT CYCLE. SO I REDUCED THAT DOWN BY ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND. UH, WE ELIMINATED WORKSPACE MODIFICATIONS, WE REDUCED THE E CITATION DEVICES, WE REDUCED PARK SPECIAL EVENTS, AND WE, AND WE REMOVED, UH, A DUPLICATE TRAINING ITEM THAT WE WERE ABLE TO FIND WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO FIND MONEY. UH, THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT INFORMED THE BUDGET. THE ONLY THING DIFFERENT FROM HERE IS THAT I, I PRESENTED OVERVIEW ON SATURDAY AND THEN THAT GAVE OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL ON THE PUBLIC TO REACT. I DIDN'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF REACTIONS OTHER THAN THANK YOU. SO, UM, THIS IS WHAT THE OVERALL BUDGET IS. IT'S ALMOST $400 MILLION FOR THE YEAR. UH, THIS IS WHERE THE BULK OF THE MONEY'S BEING SPENT IS IN CIP AS YOU WOULD IMAGINE FOR THAT TYPE OF A BUDGET. THE ACTUAL OPERATING BUDGET IS, UH, IS, YOU KNOW, IS MUCH LESS THAN 400 MILLION. SO ALL THAT'S PREDOMINANTLY CAPITAL. THESE ARE ALL THE CITY COUNCIL INITIATED PROGRAMS AND SERVICE ENHANCEMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. UM, THIS INCLUDES THE, UM, THE OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING, UH, FULL FUNDING OF THE STREET MAINTENANCE THAT I, I MENTIONED. SO WE WERE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT, UH, SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION. WE, WE DID MAKE SURE THAT THE YMCA'S 500,000 GOT FUNDED AGAIN. SO, UH, THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT, SO ON AND SO FORTH. UM, AND THEN OUR OTHER COMMITMENTS THAT WE ALL, THAT WE HAVE EVERY YEAR FOR TSTC AND THE, UM, THE, UM, ADVOCACY CENTER AND THE HEALTH DISTRICT. SO, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT. SO SINCE WE, THE BUDGET WENT DOWN BY A HALF A MILLION BECAUSE THE TAX RATE WENT DOWN, THAT MEANS THE 1% WE HAVE FOR OUTSIDE AGENCIES SHOULD GO DOWN. YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THAT. YEAH. THE 1% WOULD BE A SMALLER NUMBER THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ESTIMATED. UM, SO, BUT WHENEVER Y'ALL ACTUALLY START TAKING ACTION ON THE BUDGET, STARTING WITH YOUR BUDGET WORKSHOP NEXT WEEK, UM, Y'ALL CAN DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO ADJUST THOSE NUMBERS OR NOT. OKAY. SO, BUT WE'LL HAVE THAT NUMBER WHEN WE DIVE IN TO, TO KNOW KIND OF WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS AND IF, IF WE WANNA YEAH, AND IF YOU, AND IF YOU WANT TO KNOW FOR YOURSELF, THEN YOU CAN JUST SIMPLY LOOK AT THE REVENUE LINE FOR THE GENERAL FUND AND SEE WHAT THE, WHAT THE, WHAT THE REVENUE IS AND JUST TAKE 1% OF THAT. OKAY. THAT'S AWESOME. THAT'S AN EASY WAY TO DO IT TOO. THANK YOU. BUT WE'LL PROVIDE THAT. Y'ALL ARE TAKING NOTES, RIGHT? YES. OKAY, GOOD. THANKS. OKAY. UH, PILLAR ONE. THESE ARE ITEMS IN THE BUDGET THAT SUPPORT PILLAR ONE. UM, SOME OF THESE ARE NEW, NEW SERVICES. UH, THE, THE MAIN THING TO POINT OUT HERE IS AGAIN, I'M, I, UH, MY BUDGET DID INCLUDE, UM, A NUMBER OF ENHANCEMENTS FOR, UH, SERVICE FOR THE COMMUNITY IN THE SENSE OF THE QUALTRICS SOFTWARE AND THE COMMUNITY CALENDAR VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT ASPECT. UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A BIG INITIATIVE TO ENGAGE MORE VOLUNTEERS AND THIS IS A WAY TO SOLICIT VOLUNTEERS AND TO MANAGE WHERE THEY WORK, HOW THEY WORK, WHAT HOURS THEY WORK, ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. SO THAT'S THERE. UM, THE TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT, UH, STEP INCREASE IS EFFECTIVELY A MERIT RAISE. UH, THAT'S, THAT'S BUDGETED. I DID NOT BUDGET COLA. UM, AND THEN BY STANDARDIZING TRAINING AND TRAVEL CAPS PER EMPLOYEE, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT EVERY EMPLOYEE JUST GETS A CERTAIN AMOUNT TO SPEND. IT MEANS THAT THERE WAS A THRESHOLD THAT NO ONE EMPLOYEE COULD SPEND MORE THAN, AND SO THERE WAS AN ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN SAVINGS FROM THE, FROM THE PREVIOUS YEARS OF, UH, TRAVEL AND TRAINING BECAUSE OF THAT BEING IMPLEMENTED. SO, UM, PILLAR NUMBER TWO, MAINTAIN FINANCIAL STABILITY. SO, UH, WE DID IMPLEMENT THE ORGANIZATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS FROM THE SUNSET COMMITTEE AND SOME OF THOSE WERE MONETARY. UH, I COVERED THOSE ON SATURDAY. AND THE PROPOSED BUDGET DOES MEET THE 25% FUND BALANCE REQUIREMENT. SO THAT WAS A TARGET THAT WE WERE WORKING TOWARD. UM, WE WERE AT 21 OR 22% LAST YEAR. WE'RE NOW GONNA BE AT 25%, WHICH IS, UH, WAS IMPORTANT TO COUNCIL AND DOES MEET YOUR STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE TWO C OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN, UM, GROW RESPONSIBLY AND SUSTAINABLY. THIS IS, UH, PILLAR THREE. UM, WE DO HAVE THE FEASIBILITY STUDIES IN, UH, THEY'RE ASTERISK TO RE TO REMIND ME TO SAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A LIKELIHOOD THAT Y'ALL ACTUALLY ARE NOT GONNA WANT TO FUND MAYBE THESE FEAS FEASIBILITY STUDIES. BUT [04:40:01] WHEN WE BUDGETED FOR CIP AND CIP RELATED ITEMS, I BUDGET OFF OF WHAT WAS THE LAST APPROVED CIP, WHICH HAPPENED IN APRIL. SO Y'ALL, THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL SAID WANTED TO BE FUNDED. WE MADE SURE WE FUNDED THAT. Y'ALL, I UNDERSTAND Y'ALL MAY CHANGE THAT AND THAT'S PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE, BUT THAT'S WHY THEY'RE IN THERE. AND I DIDN'T PIVOT AWAY FROM THAT. UM, I DID PUT MONEY IN, UH, FOR THE FACADE GRANT. UM, AND THEN WE DO HAVE A NEW PERMIT AND, UH, TECHNICIAN AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT MANAGER FOR ENGINEERING, UH, TO HELP WITH THE GROWTH. UM, WE DID FULLY FUND THE STREET MAINTENANCE AND WE DO HAVE THE FULL COST OF THE WATER RESERVATION AND THE TAKER PAY CONTRACT FUNDED IN THIS, IN THIS UTILITY FUND BUDGET. UH, PILLAR FOUR CREATE THE HIGHEST QUALITY OF LIFE. UH, WE NEED TO FINISH THE CITY HALL GENERATOR REVISIONS AND DO THE SOUND AND SCREEN THAT'S, THAT'S REQUIRED BY CODE, BUT IT'S, IT'S MORE FOR THE NEIGHBORS, UH, BECAUSE NOW THEY HAVE A BIG DIESEL ENGINE, UH, OUTSIDE THEIR BACK DOOR. UM, WE DO HAVE PLANS FOR THE FUTURE DEBT ISSUANCES FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER AND THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY. UM, AND THEN, UH, ACCREDITATION AND COURT COMPLIANCE SPECIALISTS AND THE TWO POLICE OFFICERS, UM, THAT ARE FUNDED IN THE, IN THE BUDGET. JAMES, ON WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? FUTURE DEBT ISSUANCE? UM, MEANING THAT, UH, THERE WAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SPENT, I THINK IN THE CIP FOR THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF, UM, THE DESIGN FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER, NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIAL CONVERSATION WITH THE 29 MILLION C. THIS IS LIKE DESIGN DOLLARS WE ALREADY HAD IN THE C IN THE CIP. RIGHT. OKAY. YEP. UM, AND IF Y'ALL DECIDE TO, TO PIVOT AND DO THE, DO THE CO STRATEGY, THAT WAS KIND OF DISCUSSED. UM, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT GOT DISCUSSED IN THE, THE BROAD GROUP OR JUST THE SMALL GROUP, BUT UM, THAT'S PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE TOO. JUST KNOW THAT WE PLAN FOR THE THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL HAD SAID THAT THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO AS OF THE LAST OFFICIAL VOTES. OKAY, HERE'S OUR NUMBERS. UM, OUR EVALUATION INCREASE BY 13.5% YEAR OVER YEAR. UM, YOU DO NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE CERTIFIED TAXABLE ASSESSED VALUE, NOT JUST THE, UM, NOT JUST THE TOTAL VALUE. SO WHENEVER YOU SEE THOSE NUMBERS IN THE PUBLIC, DO PAY ATTENTION THAT YOU'RE WATCHING THE UH, UH, THE TAXABLE ASSESSED VALUATION. 'CAUSE THAT'S FUNDAMENTALLY WHAT WE CAN COLLECT ON. WE CAN'T COLLECT IF, IF WE HAVE SIX AND A HALF BILLION DOLLARS OF VALUATION AND 1 BILLION OF IT IS TAX EXEMPT, THEN THAT DOESN'T HELP US, YOU KNOW, AND PROPERTY TAX, HERE'S OUR, UH, CERTIFIED TAX RATES FOR YOU. UM, SO THEY'RE ALL HERE LISTED. I WILL NOTE THAT THE, THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE FOR THIS YEAR IS, IS ACTUALLY GOING TO RE, UH, RESULT IN OUR O AND M, UH, GOING SLIGHTLY DOWN FROM WHAT IT OUGHT TO BE IF WE COLLECTED THE SAME AMOUNT OF M AND O LAST YEAR. UM, THAT'S BECAUSE THE INS JUST TICKED UP A LITTLE BIT, UM, AS A PERCENTAGE AND, UH, THAT WHENEVER YOU SUBTRACT OUR INS FROM WHAT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE, THE, THE M AND O IS JUST OFF SLIGHTLY. SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEEN HIGHLIGHTING IS A POTENTIAL RISK FOR FUTURE DEBT ISSUANCES WE HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO SO IT DOESN'T BITE IN TOO MUCH. UH, A COUPLE HUNDREDTHS OF A POINT, OR A THOUSANDTHS OF A POINTS NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL, BUT YOU START LOSING ENTIRE PENNIES OR TWO, IT DOES START TO BECOME A BIG DEAL. SO THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE FOR US IS, UH, 0.3 8 5 9 2 8. THAT IS THE BUDGET THAT I BUILT, AND THAT IS THE TAX RATE THAT I PROPOSED. HERE'S OUR HISTORICAL INFORMATION. SO THIS IS JUST ADDING IN NOW THE PROPOSED TAX RATE ONTO THE CHART. AND I KNOW THE MAYOR LOVES THIS ONE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT SHOWS OUR, UH, TAX RATE TREND OVER TIME, BUT IT DOES NOT TALK ABOUT, UH, WHAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY PAYING IN TAXES. SO WE NOW HAVE SLIDES FOR WHAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY PAYING IN TAXES. LOVE IT. ALL RIGHT, SO HERE YOU ARE AT, AT, UH, NOW I HAD TO USE LAST YEAR'S CERTIFIED DATA BECAUSE THE, THE NEW, I'M SORRY I HAD TO USE LAST YEAR'S TAX RATE WITH THIS YEAR'S CERTIFIED DATA BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEW TAX RATES ARE GOING TO BE. SO I DID KEEP IT CONSISTENT. SO IT'S, THE DATA'S ACCURATE. SO THE AVERAGE HOMEOWNER IN HU PAYING HU TAXES AND ADJUSTED FOR THE ESD THAT THEY PAY FOR PUTS US ALMOST JUST BELOW THE, THE, THE MIDDLE OF THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY MAJOR CITIES. UM, SO IN OTHER WORDS, UH, HUDU, THE AVERAGE HOME HOMEOWNER IS GOING TO PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN ROUND ROCK TAYLOR IN GEORGETOWN AND A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN PFLUGERVILLE, CEDAR PARK, LIBERTY HILL, LEANDER, AND THEN PFLUGERVILLE AND TRAVIS COUNTY. COULD YOU GO BACK ONE? YES, SIR. ONE MORE. ARE YOU, SO THIS YEAR OVER YEAR FOR THE TAX RATE, CAN YOU SHOW YEAR OVER YEAR? NOT NOW, BUT UH, WHAT THE ACTUAL TAX DOLLARS ARE, NOT JUST THE RATE, BUT THE WHAT DOLLARS IT, YOU WANNA KNOW [04:45:01] HOW MUCH THE AVERAGE HOMEOWNER HAS PAID IN TAXES IN HOOD? YEAH, YEAR OVER YEAR. YEAH, I, WE CAN RECREATE THAT DATA BECAUSE WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE AVERAGE HOME VALUES FOR THE PREVIOUS YEARS. SO YES, WE CAN DO THAT. OKAY, THANK YOU. OOPS, THAT'S THE WRONG DIRECTION. THE QUESTION ON THIS SLIDE? YES. DOES THAT INCLUDE JUST THE CITY, THE INCORPORATED CITIES? WHAT ABOUT THE MUDS? NO, I'M NOT LOOKING AT MUDS. IS CITY THE TAX THAT WE CONTROL AND IT'S THE ESD TAX ON TOP OF IT. AND THEN IN THE CASE OF PFLUGERVILLE, TRAVIS COUNTY, UM, THEY ALSO HAVE, UH, THEY ALSO HAVE AN ESD AND, UH, I THINK THEY ALSO HAVE A EXTRA HEALTH DISTRICT, WHICH WE PAY HEALTH DISTRICT OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND. THEY HAVE A SEPARATE TAXING ENTITY FOR HEALTH DISTRICT. OKAY. SO, SO THIS IS EQUALIZED. SO THIS IS THE WHOLE ROUND ROCK HAS A FIRE DEPARTMENT, NOT A ESD TOP, YOU KNOW, DEAL TO EQUALIZE IT. SO THAT WAY YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHERE, WHERE WE'RE AT. THIS IS FOR THE FOLKS WHO HAVE A HOMESTEAD. SO THE DATA'S PRETTY SIMILAR, IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, LESS OVERALL BECAUSE OF THE HOMESTEAD VALUATIONS. THIS IS, IF I, UM, HAD MY HOME IN A DIFFERENT TOWN. UH, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. I DON'T THINK THAT DIDN'T SORT RIGHT. I'LL HAVE TO GET THIS DATA BACK OUT. THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T CORRECT. THE, THE, THE CHART'S CORRECT, THE, THE NUMBERS. I DON'T THINK, NO, I THINK THAT IS RIGHT. I'M JUST USED TO IT, SEEING IT THE OTHER WAY. OKAY, HERE WE GO. SO, MY AVERAGE HOME IN HU FOR WHAT I PAY IN TAXES, IF I HAD THE SAME TAX BILL IN LEANDER, MY HOME COULD BE WORTH SLIGHTLY MORE. AND THAT'S THE NUMBER. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S NOT CONSIDERABLY MORE, IT'S LIKE 10%, 20% MORE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH I GUESS YOU COULD SAY IS CONSIDERABLE THE SAME TAX BILL IN LIBERTY HILL, TAYLOR, PFLUGERVILLE EITHER PART OF PFLUGERVILLE, YOU COULD, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE LESS HOME TO PAY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAXES YOU PAY IN HU SO YOU COULD HAVE MORE HOME IN LEANDER, GEORGETOWN, CEDAR PARK AND RUN ROCK, BUT LESS HOME IN LIBERTY HILL, TAYLOR, PFLUGERVILLE, I'M SEEING A CONSISTENT, GENERALLY MIDDLE OF THE PACK. GENERALLY, YEAH. SO WE'RE NOT THE HIGHEST. WE'RE NOT, NO, NO, WE'RE NOT. OKAY. UH, HERE'S THE IMPACT TO THE HOMEOWNERS. THIS IS THE THING THAT WE DO EVERY YEAR TO, TO SHOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE TAX RATES, UH, WILL DO. NOW FOR THE NEW FOLKS ON COUNCIL, THERE'S ACTUALLY A MUCH MORE COMPLEX CHART THAN THIS THAT SHOWS VARIOUS DIFFERENT TAXING, UH, OPTIONS. NO NEW REVENUE BEING ONE OF THEM, BUT THIS IS THE ONE THAT I PROPOSED. SO THIS IS WHAT'S IN THIS CHART. UM, SO THIS SHOWS THAT THE RESIDENCE, THE RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNER WITH A HOMESTEAD WITH THE NO NEW, UH, REVENUE RATE WOULD, UH, THE AVERAGE ONE WOULD BE PAYING $2 AND 46 CENTS A MONTH MORE, UH, IN TAXES THIS YEAR AT NO NEW REVENUE. AND THE RESIDENTIAL, THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL HOMESTEAD, I MEAN, WITHOUT THE HOMESTEAD WOULD BE PAYING A DOLLAR 21 A MONTH LESS, UM, THIS YEAR WITH NO NEW REVENUE. AND THEN, UH, BECAUSE WE ALSO LIKE TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL IMPACT TO THE, TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN HU. UM, IF, IF IT'S A, I DIDN'T BREAK THIS DOWN INTO THE, INTO THE SMALLER NUMBERS, BUT IF YOU ARE A, UH, HU WATER AND WASTEWATER CUSTOMER, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S 1462, IT'S ON A DIFFERENT SLIDE, SO I CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY FOR SURE. 1462 A MONTH IS WHAT THE PROPOSED INCREASE IN RATES THAT THE RATE ANALYST, UH, WAS PROPOSING THAT WE'RE, THAT WAS BEING RECOMMENDED TO BE ADOPTED FOR OCTOBER. SO YOUR NET INCREASE TO, UH, FOLKS WHO PAY, UH, IN HU WATER WASTE WATER TAXES WOULD BE AS MUCH AS $17 AND AS LITTLE AS $13. EFFECTIVELY, THIS IS HOW THE MONEY OF THE BUDGET AND THE GENERAL FUND IS, UH, BROKEN DOWN. SO WHERE THE, WHERE THE AMOUNT OF SPENDING IS, IT'S PREDOMINANTLY IN POLICE STREET DRAINAGE AND PARKS AND REC, AND THEN ALL THE OTHER SMALLER DIVISIONS JUST KIND OF SHOWING YOU THE, THEIR, THEIR SIZE AND COMPARISON TO EACH OTHER. OH, ALSO UP TOP THAT SHOWS THAT, UM, SO THE AVERAGE, UH, HOME IN HUDU PAYS 1335, UH, TO THE CITY OF HUDU AND, UH, PROPERTY TAX. AND, UH, 72, 84 OF THAT GOES TO THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE. SO THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT OF THAT $72, YOU KNOW, ALMOST 37 OF IT IS POLICE AND THEN SO ON AND SO FORTH. ALSO, THE AMOUNT THAT THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER AND HU IS BENEFITING FROM THE, UH, SALES TAX, UH, IS $227 A YEAR. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE BENEFITING FROM THE SALES TAX ON THE PROPERTY BUYDOWN. [04:50:01] AND THAT'S WHAT THAT SLIDE SHOWS YOU. UM, OUR REVENUE, UH, PROJECTIONS THAT WE DID WERE, WERE FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE, BUT YOU WILL NOTE AS YOU'RE LOOKING IN THE DETAILS THAT THE HALF CENT OF THE HU EDC REVENUE AND THE HALF CENT OF THE PROPERTY TAX BUY DOWN REVENUE, THOSE PROJECTIONS ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. THAT'S BECAUSE THE HEDC BOARD ELECTED TO USE AN EVEN MORE CONSERVATIVE SALES TAX GROWTH FOR THEIR BUDGETING PURPOSES. SO THAT WE JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT. SO SOMEONE DOESN'T THINK THAT IT'S A MATH MISTAKE. UM, IT, IT WAS DONE THAT WAY ON PURPOSE BECAUSE THE, THE EDC BOARD GAVE DIRECTION TO USE A MORE CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE, BUT THE 1% TO THE GENERAL FUND WE'RE ESTIMATING TO GENERATE 8.2 MILLION IN REVENUE. THESE ARE ALL THE FUNDS, UH, THAT HAVE BUDGETS THAT HAVE TO BE, THAT HAVE TO BE APPROVED. WHILE WE WILL SPEND MOST OF OUR TIME IN GENERAL FUND, UTILITY FUND, UM, HOTEL OCCUPANCY, UM, COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE, PARKS IMPROVEMENT AND TRAFFIC, UH, IMPACT FEE, THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT FUND, THAT'S WHERE WE WILL SPEND THE BULK OF OUR TIME AND ENERGY. UM, BUT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE ARE A BUDGET. SOME OF THEM ARE SMALL, SOME OF THEM ARE BIG, AND UM, A LOT OF THEM ARE JUST KIND OF IN BETWEEN. SO 78.1 MILLION IS THE PLANNED DEBT ISSUANCE FOR FISCAL YEAR 26. I THINK THAT IS ALL IN THE UTILITY FUND. UM, WE HAVE FIVE NEW POSITIONS FOR A NET TOTAL OF 207 FTES FOR THE CITY. UM, I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU THE PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX, UM, THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET INCLUDES THE NEW POSITIONS, THE INCREASE IN DISPATCH, THE AVERAGE TWO AND A HALF PERCENT STEP INCREASE. WE HAVE $333,000 THAT'S IN NON CIP CAPITAL EXPENDITURE. SO THAT MEANS EQUIPMENT, MACHINERY, THAT SORT OF STUFF. AND THEN, UM, THE MAJOR INCREASE IN OPERATING FUNDS, THERE'S, WE'RE BASICALLY GENERATING 1.85 MILLION MORE IN THE UTILITY FUND, I MEAN IN THE GENERAL FUND, AND 3.8 MILLION MORE IN THE UTILITY FUND. AND I WILL SAY THAT THAT 3.8 MILLION IS, IS PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE NEW, UH, PROPOSED RATES THAT NEED TO GO IN PLACE IN ORDER FOR OUR UTILITY FUND TO BE SOLVENT LIKE IN YEAR THREE AND FOUR, ACCORDING TO THE, TO THE CONSULTANTS, UH, REPORT PROPOSED PERSONNEL. Y'ALL ALREADY SEEN THIS, THIS DIDN'T CHANGE. SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ON NEXT THURSDAY OR IN BETWEEN, FEEL FREE TO SHARE. UM, THE TWO RECLASS. THIS IS, UH, CHANGING THESE TWO POSITIONS TO HIGHER PAY GRADES TO RECOGNIZE THE GROWTH OF THE EMPLOYEES AND THE ROLE THAT THEY PLAY IN THE ORGANIZATION. I, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. YEP. I THOUGHT SATURDAY WE WERE ADDING TWO POSITIONS. WE'RE ADDING TWO NET POSITIONS. I, I ELIMINATED THREE AND I'M ADDING FIVE. IT'S A FIVE. OKAY, I GOTCHA. WHEN YOU'RE SAYING FIVE, IT'S NOT FIVE NEW ONES. IT'S, NO, THESE ARE THE THREE I ELIMINATED. I GOTCHA. YEAH, IT IS FIVE NEW ONES, BUT IT'S ONLY TWO FTE COUNT I GOT BECAUSE THESE POSITIONS THAT WE'RE ADDING ARE NOT, EITHER DON'T EXIST OR LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE PD DOES EXIST, BUT THEY'RE JUST NEW POSITIONS. I GOTCHA. OKAY. SO THESE ARE THE ONES THAT I ELIMINATED FROM ECO. I, UH, ONE FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TWO FROM UTILITIES. UM, SO THERE'S THE, SO IT'S JUST POLICE AND ENGINEERING GETTING, UH, NEW PERSONNEL THIS YEAR IN MY PROPOSAL, UH, THESE ARE THE CURRENT VACANCIES, AND THAT WAS ASKED, UM, WE'VE HAD A, A COUPLE OF RESIGNATIONS IN THE STREETS DEPARTMENT. WE HAD A COUPLE OF ONBOARDING, SO WE'RE KIND OF A NET TWO THERE, STILL OUT. THEN WE HAVE THESE OTHER POSITIONS THAT WE'RE RECRUITING FOR. UH, HERE'S THE INVESTMENT IN THE PERSONNEL. UM, WE DO HAVE THE TWO AND A HALF PERCENT STEP INCREASE. THAT'S AN AVERAGE. UH, UH, IT COMES OUT TO BE ABOUT $390,000 IN, UH, NEW EXPENSE. WE DID HAVE TO GO OUT TO BID FOR NEW HEALTH INSURANCE THIS YEAR BECAUSE THE HEALTH INSURANCE, UH, RERATE WAS GONNA BE OVER 30% INCREASE IN COST. UM, THERE IS GONNA BE A, UH, WITH THE NEW PROPOSED, UH, HEALTH INSURANCE THAT WE'RE GOING TO, UM, THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO GO TO, THERE WILL BE A SLIGHT INCREASE TO SOME CLASSIFICATIONS OF EMPLOYEES FOR THE WHAT THEY HAVE TO PAY. UH, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, TO, TO LIMIT OUR EXPOSURE ON THE, ON THE RERATE TO, UH, NEXT TO NOTHING. AND THEN NEXT YEAR IT'S A GUARANTEED NO NO MORE THAN 9.9%. SO ARE THOSE PREMIUM COST INCREASES? HOW MUCH DOES IT BITE INTO THE 2.5%? IT'S, IT SHOULD BE PRETTY MINIMAL, CORRECT? NO, NOT NECESSARILY. IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER I'M A, AN EMPLOYEE WHO IS, UM, COVERING MY SPOUSE OR I'M COVERING MY ENTIRE FAMILY. UM, THE MORE, THE MORE MY SPEND IS, THE MORE THAT THE INCREASE IS, IS GOING TO IMPACT. SO THAT 2.5% COULD REALLY, IT COULD BE A NET, IT COULD BE A NET, NOTHING. IT COULD BE A NET LOSS TO SOME EMPLOYEES. IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE CIRCUMSTANCE. SO TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT FOR A PERSON MAKING, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE LOW END OF THE PAY SCALE, THEN [04:55:01] THE INCREASE IN THE INSURANCE IS GONNA AFFECT THAT PERSON IN THAT CATEGORY, MORE THAN TWO AND A HALF PERCENT ON THE OTHER END. UH, THESE ARE THE FIXED ASSETS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. SO IT'S JUST A LIST HERE SO YOU CAN FIND THEM AND WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED. UH, AGAIN, THIS IS MOSTLY SUMMARY. THIS IS THE GENERAL FUND BREAKDOWN AGAIN BY DEPARTMENT. UH, THIS IS THE INCREASES OVER YEAR, OVER YEAR. SO WE INCREASED THE ROAD MAINTENANCE TO TWO BY 275,000. WE INCREASED ANIMAL SHELTER BY 62, WE INCREASED DISPATCH BY $376,000. SO THAT'S LIKE MONEY THAT COMES OFF THE TOP BEFORE WE EVEN REALLY GET STARTED WITH OTHER STUFF. UTILITY FUND, THIS IS HOW THE BULK OF THE SPENDING IN THE UTILITY FUND GOES. IT'S DEBT SERVICE, AND THEN IT'S, UM, IT'S, IT'S CIP AND UH, NOW WE HAVE THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE RECHARGE WHOLESALE WATER AGREEMENT, UH, BUDGETED FOR THE YEAR. WELL, THIS IS ACTUALLY NOT THE FULL YEAR, YEAR. THIS IS, UH, THREE FOURTHS OF THE YEAR BUDGETED BECAUSE IT GOES INTO EFFECT IN JANUARY IS WHEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO START DELIVERING WATER. SO NEXT YEAR THAT 3.5 WILL GO UP TO 4.5 OR SIX, UM, AND THEN AN, AN ADDITIONAL $79,000 FOR THIRD PARTY METER CHANGE OUT, WHICH THAT ALLOWS US TO PUT AN AUTOMATED METER WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY HAVING TO MANUALLY GO SPEND TIME EVERY SINGLE DAY TO GO DO MANUAL READS. SO THAT KEEP, THAT KEEPS US FROM NEEDING A PERSON OR ALLOWS US TO REDIRECT THAT ENERGY TO OTHER THINGS. REMIND ME, THOSE TWO COME OUTTA THE UTILITY FUND OR THE GENERAL, THOSE ARE BOTH UTILITY FUNDS. WE'RE IN THE UTILITY FUND OVERALL RIGHT NOW. OKAY. I I, I KNOW IT'S LATE AND I'M SWITCHING KIND OF FAST, BUT THIS IS WHERE I WENT TO THE UTILITY FUND RIGHT HERE. OKAY, NICE. I SEE THE ONE. YOU'RE DOING GREAT. WHAT'S THAT? KEEP GOING. YOU'RE DOING GREAT. SHOW THE PIE CHART AGAIN. UH, RIGHT THERE. WHICH PIE? THAT PIE THAT PIE? YOU THIS, THIS PIE. OKAY. WHAT THE CONTRACTUAL SERVICES? 10 MILLION, WELL, LIKE THREE AND A HALF OF THAT IS THE, IS THE WATER CONTRACT. A LOT OF THAT IS WATER AND WASTEWATER. WE HAVE TO PAY BRA TO RUN OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANS. RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S THAT TYPE OF STUFF. OKAY, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY THEM, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE CHOOSE TO DO. HAVE WE LOOKED TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD COST TO BRING THAT IN-HOUSE OR IS IT JUST TOO COMPLICATED? IT'S NOT TOO COMPLICATED TO BRING IT IN-HOUSE. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S ANY CHEAPER. THE MAIN THING THAT YOU GET AT THAT POINT IN TIME IS MORE CONTROL. SO HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DO THEY BRING DOWN? HOW MANY EMPLOYEES? I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE OUT THERE IN ANY GIVEN FULL TIME. THAT'S 4 MILLION OR $5 MILLION FOR THEM. IS THAT ALL SUPPLIES? IS IT MOSTLY, A LOT OF IT IS ACTUAL O AND M EXPENSE. SO I WOULD SAY IF YOU WERE, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE STAFFED WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANS, BUT I'M NOT A PUBLIC WORK IN DIRECTOR. UM, YOU NEED ABOUT, YOU NEED, YOU PROBABLY WOULD NEED FOUR PEOPLE FOR THE CENTRAL PLANT AND YOU'D NEED PROBABLY SIX TO EIGHT PEOPLE FOR THE SOUTH PLANT. SO YOU'D NEED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND 12 PEOPLE, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO OPERATE AT 24 7. SO, UH, REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES. SO WE ARE SPENDING MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE BRINGING IN, UH, THAT IS PLANNED. UH, BUT THAT IS ALSO WHY THE RATE STUDY IS SHOWING THAT WE NEED TO, UH, START TO CLOSE THAT GAP SO WE DON'T RUN OUT OF FUND BALANCE. UH, WE ALSO HAVE THE PLANNED DEBT ISSUANCE TO, UH, FINISH OUT SOME OF THE WATER AND WASTEWATER PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN STARTED. UH, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE BILL IMPACT ONE. SO IF YOU, IF YOU'RE AN AVERAGE USER IN, IN HU WITH THE PROPOSED RATES THAT Y'ALL SAW LAST COUNCIL MEETING, UH, YOUR COMBINED WATER WASTEWATER MONTHLY BILL WOULD GO UP $14 AND 62 CENTS. THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE AVERAGE. AND THEN THAT, THEN THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER INCREASE IN 26 AND 27 AND 28 AND 29. UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. IT'S NOT TOO TERRIBLY FAR OFF FROM WHAT WE HAD PROJECTED AS STAFF. UM, BUT THIS IS WHAT THE, THE CONSULTANT IS SHOWING. AND IF YOU'RE A BIG USER, YOU KNOW, DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, THOSE ARE GONNA BE THE FOLKS WHO ARE RUNNING THE IRRIGATION ALL THE TIME, OR MAYBE SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL FOLKS. UH, THEIRS ARE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERABLY HIGHER BECAUSE THE MORE WATER YOU USE, THE MORE YOU PAY. SO I THOUGHT WE SET THAT BACK AND SAID, WE WANTED YOU GUYS TO RE THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE. THIS IS THE DATA WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. OKAY. AND WE DID NOT INCLUDE THESE RATES AND THE REVENUE PROJECTIONS FOR THE UTILITY FUND, BUT JUST KNOW THAT MEANS WE RUN OUTTA MONEY FASTER. SO WHATEVER WE SETTLE ON WITH Y'ALL ON THE RATES, IT WILL BE WORKED IN, WILL BE WORKED INTO THE BUDGET PROJECTIONS FOR NEXT YEAR. RIGHT. BUT YOU GUYS ARE COMING BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT HAS A HIGH WATER USERS PAYING A HIGHER INCREASE. YES. THE, THE CONSULTANT IS COMING BACK WITH DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS. ALL RIGHT. THESE ARE THE CIP PROJECTS THAT ARE FUNDED. UM, I'M NOT GONNA [05:00:01] EXPLAIN WHAT EACH ONE OF THESE ARE, UM, FOR SAKE OF TIME. AND, UH, I ASSUME YOU WILL BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SOMETHING IS. MOST OF THESE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE FOUND ON THE CIP UM, BUDGET PAGE THAT WE HAVE WHERE YOU CAN GO CHECK ON THE ITEMS AND YOU CAN SEE LIKE WHAT THEY ARE AND A MAP OF THEM AND THAT SORT OF STUFF. UM, SO IF YOU DO RESEARCH AND YOU CAN'T FIND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, JUST ASK. BUT, SO YOU HAVE A LIST THAT YOU CAN GO BACK AND REFERENCE. THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THERE 18 MILLION HERE, 1 32. DO WHAT YOU SAID? 19 MILLION FOR THE 1 32, 1 33. MM-HMM . YEAH. CAN BELIEVE THAT. UM, SO I WILL PAUSE RIGHT HERE. THE BRUSHY CREEK AMPHITHEATER MAINTENANCE, I, I ALBERTA, DID WE ACTUALLY BUDGET FOR THAT OR DID, OR DID WE NOT FUND IT? UH, WE HAVEN'T BUDGETED, BUT IT'S, UM, IT'LL BE FROM OPERATING CIP OPERATING NOT FROM COMMUNITY BENEFIT. OKAY. SO THE QUESTION FOR THE MICROPHONE, I WILL, YEAH, SO IT, SO IT, SO SHE DID CONFIRM THAT IT IS, IT IS FUNDED, BUT IT'S FUNDED FROM BASICALLY FROM THE CIP FUND, NOT FROM THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE FUND, BUT THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND WAS ONE OF THE ONES I WAS TARGETING FOR POTENTIAL CUTS TOO, BECAUSE IT'S JUST LIKE WHATEVER WE WANT TO SPEND IT ON FOR THE YEAR. SO, UM, FRITZ PARK IMPROVEMENTS. YEP. OKAY. AND WE HAVE 3 MILLION ON ATHLETIC FIELDS, OR IS THAT GOING THEN? UM, I, I, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. YOU, YOU SAID WE GO, I GO LOOK AT, AT, IS THAT NEW DEBT ISSUANCE? IS THAT, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO, TO THAT SPECIFIC ONE P 15. IT'S, IT'S THE, THE POINT. YEAH. I MEAN, Y'ALL, Y'ALL, YOU ASK YOUR QUESTIONS AND WE'LL GET IT OVER TO YOU. THAT'S PROBABLY BEST SINCE IT'S SO LATE. . ALL RIGHT. BUT THESE ARE THE, THESE ARE THE CIP PROJECTS THAT ARE, THAT WERE, UH, SLATED TO BE FUNDED THIS YEAR. SO THESE ARE WHAT WE, THIS IS WHAT WE PUT INTO THE BUDGET. DO A LOT OF WASTEWATERS, IT'S A LOT OF PROJECTS. IF YOU HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT, IS YOUR IRON REMOVAL WHOA, WHOA. IRON REMOVAL'S STILL IN THERE? IT IS RIGHT NOW. WE HAVEN'T TAKEN IT. THAT'S WHAT HE'S JUST GOING BY WHAT WE DID IN APRIL. OKAY. I'M SORRY. THAT'S WHY WE GOTTA GET GOING, BUT WE GOTTA GO TO OUR CIP, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS IS WE DON'T HAVE TO, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO SPEND IT. WE COULD DECIDE NOT TO DO IT IN DECEMBER. THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S UTILITY MONEY, RIGHT? YEAH. SO THESE ARE IDENTIFIED AS DEBT TO BE ISSUED PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY JUSTICE CENTER. UM, SO THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY FUNDED. YOU WOULD HAVE TO ISSUE DEBT FOR THOSE. UM, AND THAT'S PART OF THE 30 MILLION THAT WE COULD DO WITHOUT RAISING THE S IT WAS ROUGHLY 29 MILLION WITHOUT, UH, IMPACTING THE INS NEXT YEAR. SO, UM, YOUR FEASIBILITY STUDIES MM-HMM . AND THEN THERE'S A NUMBER OF CIP PROJECTS THAT ARE IN NON DEBT SOURCES. SO THESE ARE COMING FROM THE, THESE ARE THE PROJECTS IN THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE FUND. UM, SO YOU CAN SEE WHICH ONES THOSE ARE. THESE ARE THE ONES THAT'S IN THE PARKS IMPROVEMENT FUND. THIS IS THE ONE IN THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE FUND. SO YOU KNOW WHERE TO LOOK FOR THESE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING IN THE BUDGET. ALL RIGHT. SO OUR CIP SUMMARY IS THAT WE HAVE 33, UH, PROJECTS. THE FUNDED, THE FUNDED SPENDING PLAN IS 36 MILLION. THE UNFUNDED IS 84.95. AND UM, THAT'S BASICALLY THE, THE, THE BREAKOUT RIGHT THERE. SO 72 MILLION FOR THE UTILITY CO 10 MILLION POTENTIAL GEO, BUT THAT IS THE CONVERSATION BASICALLY AROUND THE, THE FACILITIES. UM, AND THEN, UM, 2.65 MILLION IS POTENTIAL SPONSORSHIP. SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF ITEMS, UH, COUNCIL HAS IN THE PAST SAID THAT IS ON THE CIP, BUT IT ONLY GETS BUILT IF THERE'S SPONSORSHIPS AND THAT'S LIKE SOME OF THE PARKS, TRAILS AND THAT SORT OF STUFF ARE IN THAT CATEGORY. AND THEN HERE WE ARE. SO, UH, THIS IS THE LAST SLIDE. UPCOMING DATES. WE HAVE THE, UM, THE BUDGET WORKSHOP FOR Y'ALL NEXT THURSDAY, SO WEEK FROM YESTERDAY. THANK YOU FOR THE SMIRK. I APPRECIATE THAT'S A WEEK FROM YESTERDAY. UM, THAT'S EFFECTIVELY AN ENTIRE NIGHT FOR Y'ALL IN THE, IN THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO TALK THROUGH STUFF, ASK QUESTIONS, ASK WHY THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING, OR YOU KNOW, HOW THINGS ARE GOING, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT WILL HELP YOU MAKE DECISIONS ON BUDGET. 21ST IS ANOTHER REGULAR MEETING. UM, BUT IN THE PAST WE HAVE HAD A AMOUNT OF TIME TO TALK BUDGET ON, ON THAT MEETING. AND, UH, THE 28TH IS A, IS A DATE THAT COULD BE USED FOR ANOTHER, [05:05:01] UM, BUDGET WORKSHOP IF Y'ALL SO NEED THE TIME. OTHER THAN THAT, THE SET DATES ARE SEPTEMBER 4TH AND 11TH. UM, IDEALLY YOU WOULD BE VOTING ON THE TAX RATE NEXT, NEXT THURSDAY, UM, AND SETTING THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THEN, UH, YOU WOULD BE TAKING YOUR PUBLIC HEARING IN YOUR VOTE SEPTEMBER 4TH. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT SEPTEMBER 11TH UNLESS OUR SCHEDULE GETS OFF. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT. QUESTIONS FOR ME OR FOR STAFF? UH, SINCE I WASN'T HERE SATURDAY. MM-HMM . I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU . THIS IF I'M JUST GONNA COMPARE, UH, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GREAT. I'M SAYING IT'S A LOT BETTER. MM-HMM . I LIKE IT. YOU KNOW, I'M STILL GONNA CHOP IT UP, BUT WELL DONE. THANKS. WELL, THANKS TO THE STAFF, EVERYBODY. THERE'S A LOT OF HANDS IN THIS NOW AND THE ORGANIZATION'S GETTING SOPHISTICATED ENOUGH TO WHERE I DON'T HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. SO. COOL. YEAH. I THINK I, I THINK I SAID SATURDAY, BUT IF I DIDN'T, I'LL SAY IT HERE. UM, I APPRECIATE THE BUDGET. IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF THOUGHT WENT IN, NOT JUST YOU, THE SUNSET COMMITTEE, THE PEOPLE THAT, OKAY, WE UNDERSTAND WHERE THE DIRECTION THAT THE COUNCIL'S GOING AND INSTEAD OF MAYBE YEARS PAST, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A BUCKING THE SYSTEM A LITTLE BIT. IT'S MORE OF A, OKAY, WE'RE TRYING TO FUND THE ROADS, WE'RE TRYING TO FUND THESE THINGS. UM, YOU GUYS MAYBE HAVE YOUR CIP SCREWED UP RIGHT NOW, BUT WE ARE FUNDING IT JUST LIKE YOU TOLD US TO. AND IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS TO FIGURE OUT THAT YOU CAN MOVE SOME PROJECTS OUT, FREE UP SOME MONEY OTHER PLACES. MM-HMM . UM, SO I, I DO APPRECIATE WHAT EVERYBODY'S GOING THROUGH. AND YOU WEREN'T HERE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS TALKING TO MATT AND SHARED THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT LAYING ANYBODY OFF OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. CUTTING BENEFITS. YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. I, I WAS ASKED TO POINT THAT OUT AND I JUST FORGOT 'CAUSE IT'S SO LATE AND I'M TIRED. IS THAT THE THREE POSITIONS THAT I'M ELIMINATING, THAT THOSE ARE VACANT POSITIONS, SO THEY'RE NOT PEOPLE THAT WE'RE LAYING OFF OR, OR OTHERWISE HAVING TO FIND AN ANOTHER PLACE FOR. YEAH. AND WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE, I SAID FOR, I DUNNO HOW MANY YEARS MY FOLKS ALL RETIRED FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND THEY, THEY GO TO WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT FOR CONSISTENT, RELIABLE PAYCHECKS AND BENEFITS. NOT TO, NOT TO BE WORRIED EACH YEAR. SO WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. BUT I THINK BY RUNNING LEAN AND, AND KIND OF REFOCUSING SOME, WHICH I THINK WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO, I THINK IT'S GONNA SET US UP LONGER TERM, UH, FOR MORE SUCCESS THAN POTENTIALLY. AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS I, I LIKE THE SLIDES. I DON'T KNOW THE BACKUP TO 'EM, BUT I LIKE TO SEE THAT. YEAH. WE'RE NOT THE, I USED TO, I USED TO SAY, I WON'T SAY ANYMORE. WE ARE THE HIGHEST TAX IN THE AREA. IT'S NICE TO SEE WE'RE JUST UNDER THE HIGHEST TAXED AND WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH IS A GOOD PLACE TO BE BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME ESTABLISHED CITIES THAT HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE GROSS SPURTS THAT ARE BETTER THAN US. MM-HMM . BUT WE'RE STILL NOT, WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU CAN SEE THE PROGRESS WE'VE MADE OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS TO, TO BRING US MORE IN LINE WITH THE AVERAGE, WHICH I THINK IS IMPRESSIVE FOR US TO DO. AND YOU WERE ABLE TO DO ALL THIS AND INCREASE OUR RESERVES BY 4%. UM, WHICH I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD TOO. THANK YOU. WE DON'T MAKE YOUR JOB EASY. I KNOW, BUT YOU GET PAID A BIG BUCK, SO THAT'S TRUE. THIS PRESENTATION WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE, THE COUNCIL A THAT'S FINE. YEAH. NO, NO RUSH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. IS THERE ANYBODY THAT CAN'T MAKE IT NEXT THURSDAY? I WILL EITHER BE HERE OR I WILL BE ON TEAMS. I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT. HOW JUST NOT BE HERE. 'CAUSE , WE HATE, WE HATE THAT TEAM SPORT. IT'LL WORK JUST FINE. I'M NOT A FAN OF IT, BUT, SO NOW AS YOU NEED A WATCH, IF YOU WANNA WATCH HOME NO. WHEREVER YOU'RE AT, I'M GONNA JUST TEXT HIM. I'LL WEAR MY SEATBELT. YEAH, MAYBE TEXT JAMES AS YOU'RE GOING ALONG, BUT, ALL RIGHT. TEAMS. ME. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE BUDGET THIS YEAR, SIR. THANK YOU. I'M, I'M, IT'S KIND OF MY, I LIKE THAT STUFF AND YEAH, I'M KIND OF EXCITED ABOUT IT. UM, THE CLEAR GOV TOOL, UM, SOME OF THE COUNCIL I'VE BEEN ABLE TO KIND OF HELP GET THEIR, THEIR CLEAR GOV, UM, BASICALLY ORGANIZED IN A WAY THAT IT'S USE, IT'S, IT'S THE MOST USEFUL. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE THAT AND YOU HAVEN'T HAD THAT, JUST REACH OUT TO ME AND I'LL JUMP ON A TEAMS CALL AND SCREEN SHARE AND SHOW YOU. YEAH. OUR PASSWORDS AND STUFF DIDN'T CHANGE, LIKE THAT'S ALL. UM, IF THEY DID, THEN YOU CAN JUST HIT THE RESET AND I'LL EMAIL YOU. YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO SAY THEY DIDN'T, BUT SAY, I WILL SAY THAT FIVE MINUTES, IT'S VERY VALUABLE. IT'S A LOT EASIER. AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO SEE HOW YOU CAN CONTINUE TO MODIFY IT EVEN FURTHER IF YOU WANT TO REFINE IT A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. ONCE I TEACH YOU HOW TO PUT [05:10:01] IT IN THE RIGHT ORDER. YEAH. SO THAT LITTLE, THAT LITTLE, YOU KNOW, IT CAN EITHER BE A DEMO OR IT CAN BE YOU LOG ON AND SHARE YOUR SCREEN BACK WITH JAMES AND LET HIM WALK YOU THROUGH IT. THAT'S WHAT I DID. YEAH. VERY, VERY WORTH THAT. FIVE, FIVE TO 10 MINUTES. MM-HMM . IS THERE ANYTHING I DIDN'T COVER THAT I SHOULD HAVE? NO, NO. I THINK IT'LL BE, UM, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO DIG THROUGH IT AND BRING STUFF BACK ON THE 14TH. I DO HAVE A LIST OF LIKE, WE DIDN'T REALLY SHOW, YOU KNOW, THE LAST SATURDAY WE SHOWED LIKE THE THINGS PEOPLE ASKED FOR THAT WE DIDN'T FUND, YOU KNOW, THE RED AND WHITE THING. I ALSO HAVE A LIST OF THINGS THAT LIKE, I ELIMINATED OR REDUCED OUT OF THE BUDGET ALTOGETHER FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR, SO THAT I HAVE A RUNNING LIST OF THAT. I CAN SHARE THAT OUT TOO. OKAY. THERE WAS A COUPLE THINGS THAT I THINK WE ALREADY FUNDED THIS YEAR THAT WERE IN THERE. THERE WAS THE, UM, I DIDN'T SEE ANY UTILITY DEAL. THERE WAS THE, UM, UM, THERE WAS A CRANE OF THE F FIVE 50. OH, SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF THOSE ITEMS YOU WERE POINTING OUT ON SATURDAY. THOSE ARE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THAT WE ARE CONTINUING THE LEASE PAYMENTS. OH, I, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE IN THERE AGAIN. YEP. SO A LITTLE BIT OF A MISTAKE ON OUR PART TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE FUNDING THIS THING, BUT TECHNICALLY IT'S A, IT'S A RECURRING EXPENSE FOR THE LEASE. SO, BUT LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE LEARNING AND, YOU KNOW, COMING UP TO SPEED ON THIS STUFF, SO. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT THEN [15. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS ] THAT LEAVES US TO 51 ITEM, 15 ONE, UH, GENERAL COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. THEN WE'LL GO INTO ITEM 15, TWO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UM, I HAVE NOTHING PLANNED. I, I DID SEND A DEAL TO, UH, THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT A POTENTIAL PROJECT. YOU'LL SEE IT, UH, SET UP FOR, UM, JUST A QUICK, UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM THAT MAY BE COMING. WANNA COME TO TOWN. ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE, ANTHONY? WE'LL, ADJOIN AT 2:18 AM ON AUGUST 8TH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.