[00:00:01] AT 6:00. WE'LL CALL THE SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL BUDGET MEETING FOR THURSDAY, AUGUST 14TH, 2025 TO ORDER. WE'LL START WITH ROLL CALL. COUNCIL MEMBER. THOMPSON. PRESIDENT. COUNCILMEMBER MAURICE HERE. COUNCILMEMBER GORDON HERE. COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD HERE. COUNCILMEMBER KING HERE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON HERE. MAYOR SCHNEIDER'S HERE. NEXT. [3. PUBLIC COMMENT] WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. I CALL YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. WHEN THE LIGHT TURNS YELLOW, THERE'LL BE 30S LEFT AND IT READ. YOUR TIME WILL BE UP. FIRST UP, WE HAVE KATHERINE CABRERA. COOL. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR. MY NAME IS KATHERINE, AND I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF HUDDLE PRIDE. WE ARE A NONPROFIT BASED HERE IN HUTTO DEDICATED TO PROVIDING A SAFE SPACE FOR ANY INDIVIDUALS IDENTIFYING AS LGBTQ, PLUS FAMILY MEMBERS AND ALLIES. WE WANTED TO COME AND INTRODUCE OURSELVES TO YOU ALL TO LET YOU KNOW ABOUT ALL THE AMAZING WORK WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THE FUTURE. ONE OF THE EVENTS WE HAVE COMING UP IS THIS SATURDAY. OUR PRIDE FUNDRAISING EVENT AT ROCKABILLY BREWING FROM 3 P.M. TO 6 P.M., AND WE INVITE YOU ALL HERE LISTENING IN TODAY AND IN PERSON, AS WELL AS THOSE LISTENING FROM HOME. THIS IS A VERY FAMILY FRIENDLY EVENT. ONE OF THE GOALS IS TO HIGHLIGHT AS MANY SMALL BUSINESSES AS WE CAN HERE IN HUTTO THAT IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AS A SAFE SPACE FOR ALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. I OFTENTIMES FIND MYSELF HAVING TO GO TO AUSTIN AND SURROUNDING CITIES TO FEEL LIKE I BELONG, AND TO GIVE MY MONEY TO THESE BUSINESSES. I PERSONALLY AM INVITING PEOPLE FROM OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES TO COME AND SEE WHAT HUTTO HAS TO OFFER. IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REFER THOSE TO OUR EMAIL AT GMAIL.COM. WE ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR SPONSORS TO HELP FUND OUR FUTURE EVENTS, AS WELL AS IN-KIND DONATIONS FOR OUR DIFFERENT RAFFLES AND INITIATIVES, SO PLEASE REACH OUT TO US IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. WE ARE ALSO ON INSTAGRAM AND FACEBOOK AS HUTTO PRIDE, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU EITHER ON SATURDAY OR ANY OF OUR FUTURE EVENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM FOUR ONE. [4.1. Consideration and possible action on Capital Improvement Projects for Fiscal Year 2026. ] CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026. I DON'T THINK IT'S WORKING. CAN YOU. Y'ALL CAN'T HEAR ME? CAN YOU? YEAH. IS IT ON? OKAY. OKAY. SO I GUESS TO GIVE KIND OF A BACKGROUND. THE LAST TIME THAT REALLY WE HAD DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS WAS BACK THE BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY. AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A ALBERTA THAT MAY NOT PICK IT UP ON THE RECORDING. IT'S NOT CLOSER TO THE ONE. OKAY. NO PROBLEM. LET'S TRY THIS. SO SO SINCE THAT TIME, I KNOW PNC AND WE'VE HAD PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH TO START WORK WITH. AND ALSO MATT AND I HAVE REVISED OUR PROJECTIONS AS TO WHAT PROJECTS AND HOW MUCH WE WOULD REALISTICALLY SPEND THIS YEAR AND WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE CARRIED OVER TO NEXT YEAR. SO THE SPREADSHEET THAT WE SENT OUT TO YOU LIST ALL THE PROJECTS BY CATEGORY AND THEN IF IT'S GREEN IN THE 26 COLUMN, THAT MEANS WE HAVE MONEY IN THE BANK. WE HAVE SUFFICIENT FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT. IF IT'S YELLOW, THAT MEANS IT NEEDS TO WE NEED FUNDING, MOST LIKELY FROM A DEBT ISSUANCE. AND THEN, OF COURSE, IF IT'S RED, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WOULD BE THAT WE'RE OVER BUDGET OR THERE'S A SEVERE SIGNIFICANT ISSUE WITH THE PROJECT. SO AGAIN, AFTER THE CATEGORIES, WE HAVE EACH OF THE FUNDING SOURCES WITH WHAT THE PROJECTED EXPENDITURES ARE FOR THIS YEAR THROUGH 25, AND THEN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR. IF THOSE GO THROUGH AS PLANNED AND AS WE HAVE PROJECTED, IT GIVES YOU WHAT THE REMAINING FUNDS ARE FOR EACH OF THOSE FUNDING SOURCES. AND THEN AT THE VERY BACK IS THE TOTAL OF PROJECTS AND AMOUNTS THAT WE WOULD NEED THROUGH A FUTURE FUNDING OR DEBT ISSUANCE. SO I GUESS AT THIS POINT THERE ARE A FEW THAT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT I THINK IN FUTURE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE REALIZE WE NEED TO EITHER PUSH OUT OR JUST GET FURTHER DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS PROJECT LAND. THE FIRST ONE IS ON THE FIRST PAGE UNDER BUILDING PROJECTS. THE ITEM THAT I WANT TO FIRST DISCUSS IS NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS THE NEW PARKS FACILITY HEADQUARTERS. WE HAD A 250,000 IN THERE FOR THE FEASIBILITY STUDY TO START IN 26. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE IN 26, OR DO WE NEED TO PUSH IT OUT? [00:05:03] THE MEMBERS OF THE CIP SUBCOMMITTEE CAN CORRECT ME. ONE OF THEM'S GONE IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK THE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE IS THAT FOR RIGHT NOW, WE FOCUS ON A POLICE FACILITY, RIGHT. FOLLOWED BY WHETHER IT BE NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER. MY GUESS IS 20, 27 OR LATER. WE COMBINE THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY WITH A PARKS FACILITY AS A COMBINED PROJECT WITH A SUB SUB COMMENT ON THAT. AND THEN LATER FROM THAT, I GUESS WOULD BE 29 AND 30 WOULD BE A COMBINATION, WHICH IT'S BEEN CHANGING HERE TO A LIBRARY SLASH COMMUNITY CENTER AND THAT THE, THE FUNDING FOR THOSE VARIOUS STUDIES WOULD PUSH OUT TO A YEAR BEFORE WE WERE ACTUALLY READY TO CONSTRUCT OR READY TO DESIGN, I SHOULD SAY. OKAY. SO TO TO VERIFY THAT WE DO HAVE OUR FIRST PRIORITY IS THE POLICE FACILITY. SO FOR 26, WE HAVE 5.5 MILLION TO START THE DESIGN OF THAT FACILITY, AND IT'S IN YELLOW. SO WE HAD AUTHORIZED THROUGH OUR 2018 GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS FOR A COMMUNICATION SYSTEM FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I HAVE CHECKED WITH BOND COUNCIL, AND THEY DO AGREE AND CONFIRM THAT WE COULD START THE DESIGN OF THE JUSTICE CENTER SINCE IT IS INCLUDING DISPATCH WITH THOSE FUNDS. SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO AT THIS POINT IS ISSUE THEM. AND I WOULD THINK RIGHT NOW WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO ISSUE THEM SOMETIME AROUND FEBRUARY. IF WE ISSUE THOSE BONDS, ARE THEY ONLY FOR THE COMMUNICATION CENTER? IT WILL BE FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER. SO YOU CAN USE IT ALL FOR ANY PARTS OF JUSTICE CENTER, RIGHT. AS LONG AS YOU'RE INCLUDING THE COMMUNICATIONS OR THE DISPATCH PORTION OF THAT IN YOUR JUSTICE CENTER. YES. EVEN IF WE JUST PLAN SPACE FOR IT AND WE DON'T PLAN TO BUILD IT OUT RIGHT AWAY, THAT'S SEEMING A LITTLE IFFY. SO I WOULD WOULD NEED TO FURTHER CLARIFY, IF YOU'RE NOT, IF YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS NOT TO TO BUILD THE FACILITY WITH THE DISPATCH ORIGINALLY, THEN I WOULD NEED TO CLARIFY THAT, BECAUSE THE LAST THAT I UNDERSTOOD, WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO INCLUDE THE DISPATCH WITH IT. SO IF IF I WAS WRONG, THEN I WOULD WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT. I JUST KNOW THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED MAYBE SETTING UP THE SPACE FOR IT, BUT NOT NOT PUTTING THAT IN BECAUSE THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS. AND WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TODAY OR SOMETHING WE'RE STILL A FEW YEARS OUT FROM SO. EITHER WAY IF WE DON'T DO IT THROUGH THE 2018 GEOS, WE WILL NEED TO DO A BORROWING FOR THE DESIGN. SO INSTEAD OF IT BEING THROUGH THE 2018 ISSUE, WE WOULD JUST DO A 26 CO. EXCUSE ME. YES. NOT A GEO. OKAY. OKAY. AND SO THEN YOU CAN SEE OUT IN THE FUTURE WE PUT 49.5 MILLION IN 27. AGAIN THAT'S STILL VERY PRELIMINARY BECAUSE I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE THAT WE'VE DETERMINED WHAT SIZE FACILITY WE WANT AND THE PRICE FOR THAT. ALSO IN 26, WE INCLUDED THE LIBRARY SLASH COMMUNITY CENTER TO START THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. BUT I THINK I HEAR YOU SAYING YOU WANT TO PUSH THAT OUT. ANOTHER YEAR OR SO IS. DID I DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECT? I MEAN, IF IF IT'D BE EASIER, MAYBE I'D SAY THIS. I'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE THE LIBRARY COMMUNITY CENTER. FEASIBILITY STUDY THE 2930. AND WE MOVE THE PARKS HEADQUARTERS AND PUBLIC WORKS COMBINED STUDY THE REST OF IT TO 2728. AND THAT WAS THE PARKS FACILITY HEADQUARTERS? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. 2728 FOR PARKS AND PUBLIC WORKS AND LIBRARY FOR 29 AND 30. SO I'VE GOT A QUESTION. YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT COMBINING PUBLIC WORKS AND PARKS. WAS THAT ENVISIONING? OH, SORRY. WE HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND FIRST BEFORE WE CAN DISCUSS IT. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER KING. OKAY. SO IS WAS WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CIP SUBCOMMITTEE TO COMBINE THOSE INTO A SINGLE SHARED FACILITY OR TO DO THOSE KIND OF AT THE SAME TIME, I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE THAT WAS A SUB COMMENT. ORIGINALLY IT WAS A SHARED FACILITY. AND THEN WE WERE ALSO TALKING, DEPENDING ON THE CONDITION OF THE POLICE, HPD, WHEN THEY LEAVE, IF PARKS WANTS TO GO OVER THERE, WE DON'T SEE A REASON TO GET RID OF A PUBLIC FACILITY, BUT REALLY UP TO COUNCIL, I THINK EITHER IT'S A SHARED FACILITY SINCE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF THE SAME EQUIPMENT OR PARKS CAN GO TO HPD'S OLD [00:10:03] BUILDING AND IT CAN BE RENOVATED. OKAY. AND THEN THE SAME IDEA WITH THE LIBRARY COMMUNITY. A SINGLE FACILITY, LIKE ON THE SAME SITE, SAME KIND OF BUILDING, JUST SHARED SPACE. IS THAT I THINK PART OF THAT ALSO IS THAT THE LIBRARY, AS AS WE SEE, IS MUCH MORE THAN PEOPLE COMING FOR BOOKS. IT'S REPTILE SHOWS. IT'S A LOT OF EVENTS AND THAT FITS A COMMUNITY CENTER. AND SO WHY HAVE TWO TOTALLY SEPARATE THINGS WHEN YOU CAN HAVE THEM AT THE SAME LOCATION, POTENTIALLY AND POTENTIALLY SAVE A LOT OF MONEY IF IT'S ONE FACILITY. RIGHT. IT'S ONE BUILDING. SO. OKAY. YEAH. THE BACKUP OF THE MAYOR PRO TEM SAID IN TALKING TO JAMES, I WAS LIKE, MAN, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BUILD A WHOLE BIG LIBRARY SO THAT WE HAVE MORE THINGS THAT DON'T INCLUDE BOOKS. AND HE WAS LIKE, WELL, THAT'S KIND OF THE FUTURE. AND I SAID, SO THEN DO WE NEED MORE ROOM FOR BOOKS, OR DO WE NEED MORE ROOM FOR THE ACTIVITIES THAT GO IN TO WHAT THE LIBRARY IS EXPANDING TO? AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT CAME INTO. WHAT ABOUT DOING IT WITH A COMMUNITY CENTER? THAT WAY, IF THEY DO HAVE FOLKLORE MUSIC, INSTEAD OF DOING IT IN A COUNCIL CHAMBERS, THERE'S A COMMUNITY ROOM THAT THEY'RE DOING IT IN. WHEREAS IF WE BUILD A BIGGER LIBRARY, MY GUESS IS THEY'RE STILL GOING TO WANT A COMMUNITY ROOM TO DO THE SAME THINGS IN. CAN YOU REREAD THE MOTION, PLEASE? MOTIONS TO MOVE THE LIBRARY SLASH COMMUNITY CENTER COMBINED FACILITY OUT TO 2930 FOR A STUDY TO COMBINE THE PARKS FACILITY AND THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, AND TO COMPLETE THE PARKS FACILITY OF THAT STUDY IN 2728. HEARING. NO OTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER. THOMPSON. NAY. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. AYE. AYE. NAY. COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD. AYE. AYE. MOTION PASSES FIVE TWO. OKAY, SO THE NEXT SECTION IS PARKS. I THINK THE ONE THAT I HAVE. FIRST ON THE LIST TO DISCUSS IS THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE FOR THE BRUSHY CREEK AMPHITHEATER. SO WE HAD 100,000 BEING FUNDED. JUST I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION OR CONCERN. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE MAYBE DON'T NEED TO FUND THROUGH COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE FUND OR PUSH OUT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DIRECTION OR DESIRE OF THE COUNCIL IS ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE TO USE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEES FOR THINGS LIKE THIS, BECAUSE WHEN WE SOLD THE BIDS AND WE TOLD THE PEOPLE THE IMPACT OF HAVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, A LOT OF TIMES WE SAID, ANTHONY DEVELOPERS, WE SAID, WE'RE BASICALLY GOING TO CHARGE YOU THIS MONEY, THIS COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE, TO THEN USE THAT MONEY TO IMPROVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE BY YOUR BY YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IF WE KEEP SPENDING THE MONEY ON OTHER THINGS, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING IS WE'RE SPENDING MONEY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE GOING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE ON OTHER ITEMS. OKAY. SO FOR THAT ONE, WE WOULD NEED TO FIND AN ALTERNATE FUNDING SOURCE. SO IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THAT ONE OUT, THAT WOULD LEAVE FOR FY 26 A TOTAL OF EIGHT POINT. WELL, LET'S JUST SAY 8,206,006 56 IN PARK IMPROVEMENTS THOSE THAT ARE IN IN THE BRIGHT BLUE ARE INCLUDED IN THAT TOTAL BUT WOULD NOT BE FUNDED UNLESS A SPONSOR WAS CAME FORTH AND WAS GOING TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THOSE PROJECTS BECAUSE THOSE ARE TRAILS. AND BASED ON PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, THAT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM COUNCIL IS WE WOULDN'T WANT TO FUND THOSE UNLESS THEY HAD A, A SPONSORSHIP. SO THEY ARE INCLUDED IN THE TOTAL IF THEY WERE TO RECEIVE THOSE, THOSE FUNDS. AND SPONSORSHIP IS LIKE A LARGE PRIVATE BUSINESS. A COMPANY WHO WANTS TO PAY FOR THE TRAIL HAVE THEIR NAME ON IT. THAT'S KIND OF THE VISION, CORRECT? OKAY. HAVE WE EVER HAD ANY ANYONE APPROACHED THE CITY OR WE APPROACHED ANYONE ABOUT THAT. THE POSSIBILITY OF MAYOR COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD, JAMES CITY MANAGER. WE HAVE NOT YET HAD A LARGE DONOR, YOU KNOW, ASK HOW THEY COULD DONATE MONEY. I DO NOT KNOW THAT WE HAVE NOT ASKED ANYONE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD ANYONE APPROACH US AND SAY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PARTNER YET, BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT COMING IN THE IN THE FUTURE AS WE [00:15:03] CONTINUE TO DEVELOP, AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES TO OCCUR. OKAY. HAVE ANY OTHER CITIES DONE THAT? IS THERE A CITY THAT WE COULD KIND OF TALK TO AND YES, LEARN ROUND ROCK. SO ROUND ROCK HAS DONE THAT. SO THEIR YMCA IS FUNDED. BIG PORTION OF WAS FUNDED BY CHESCO I MEANT TRAILS. THIS ONE WAS TALKING ABOUT TRAILS. GREENVILLE SOUTH CAROLINA HAS THE HAS THE IT'S A WHOLE TRAIL SYSTEM. GREENVILLE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS A MAJOR SUPPORTER, AND IT'S CALLED THE I FORGET WHAT IT'S CALLED, BUT GREENVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA'S DONE IT AND EVERYBODY DID IT. IT WASN'T BUILT ALL 30 MILES, WASN'T BUILT AT ONCE. IT WAS BUILT OVER THE YEARS WITH CORPORATE SPONSORS. YEAH, WE COULD FIND OUT CITIES THAT ARE SUCCESSFUL IN DOING IT. I THINK THAT'D BE AWESOME TO HAVE STAFF REACH OUT TO THOSE CITIES. AND, YOU KNOW, HOW DID YOU DO IT? DID YOU REACH OUT TO THEM? DID THEY REACH OUT TO YOU? KIND OF THE PROCESS? I IT'S A GREAT IDEA. AND SO THOSE PROJECTS TOTAL 3,650,400. SO THEY ARE INCLUDED. BUT WE WOULD NOT ACTUALLY SPEND THOSE FUNDS. AT SWAMP RABBIT TRAIL, I JUST POPPED IN MY MIND. SWAMP RABBIT TRAIL. TRUE. I MISSED SOMETHING. SO THAT LINE ITEM IS ACTUALLY FOR 4.6 MILLION. THEN WITHOUT THE BLUE, JUST THE GREEN ONLY. RIGHT? IF I CALCULATED THAT RIGHT. THIS GOES INTO WHAT THE CIP SUBCOMMITTEE WAS RECOMMENDING, WAS THAT WE WERE NOT TO TAKE OUT ANY NEW DEBT FOR PARK PROJECTS. MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE ON THE PICKLEBALL COURTS. I SAW THE INFORMATION ON THE STUDY. WHEN WE PASSED THE POTENTIAL DESIGN OF IT, WE PASSED IT AS IT COULD BE 2 TO 4 COURTS, AND NOW IT'S LOOKING LIKE FOUR COURTS. AND SO PART OF ME IS WE WANT TO SPEND 1.8 MILLION AND BUILD FOUR, OR DO WE WANT TO SPEND LIKE A MILLION AND BUILD TWO AND USE 800,000 ON SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS SOMEWHERE ELSE? WE CAN BUILD FOR, AND THEN WE CAN FOREGO OTHER IMPROVEMENTS TO OTHER PARKS FOR A WHILE. BUT. I'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT, NEXT ITEM. OKAY, SO THE NEXT ARE THE STREETS AND DRAINAGE. SO WHAT WHAT IS INCLUDED HERE IS A TOTAL OF 52,000,003 71 452 OF THAT IS 15 MILLION. THAT WOULD BE THROUGH AGAIN, SPONSORS, WHICH I KNOW SPECIFICALLY, WE WERE LOOKING AT DOING MAYBE A JOINT PROJECT WITH TXDOT. SO WITH THAT, I MEAN, THERE ARE A FEW, I THINK THAT WERE OF CONCERN IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT T20, WHICH IS LINE 24, WE HAD 95,000 FOR THE BRIDGE BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT. AND I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION WHETHER WE COULD PUSH THAT OR JUST NOT FUND IT, BUT THAT'S COMPLETED. WE JUST GOT AN INVOICE FOR IT. SO THAT ONE IS GOING TO BE DONE. IT'S NOT QUITE 95,000. I THINK IT WAS CLOSER TO AROUND 87,000. THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS IN HERE. I GUESS I COULD LIST THEM IF YOU WANTED TO, TO MAKE NOTE THAT WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY AWARDED A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT. SO IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE THOSE AND USE THEM FOR SOME OTHER STREET OR DRAINAGE PROJECT THAT THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE. SO THAT WOULD BE LINE 14, WHICH IS T9, THE LIVE OAK RECONSTRUCTION. AND SO WE HAVE EIGHT ALMOST 8.9 MILLION IN 26 RIGHT NOW THAT'S BEING FUNDED THROUGH OUR 24 CEOS AND GEOS. BUT AGAIN, A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT HAS NOT BEEN AWARDED, SO THAT IS POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE. THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE NUMBER 19 LINE WHICH IS THE EXCHANGE BOULEVARD RECONSTRUCTION. T15. THAT'S 2,000,009 74 AND 26. SAME SCENARIO. WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY AWARDED A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FOR THE NEXT ONE IS [00:20:01] LINE 20 FM 1660 AND MAIN PROJECT NUMBER 16. WE HAVE $633,075 AND 26 THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE. LINE 22, WHICH IS COUNTY ROAD 163 RECONSTRUCTION T18. 18. WE HAVE ABOUT ALMOST 4.6 MILLION MOVING DOWN TO LINE 26 T 22, WHICH IS INNOVATION EXPANSION. THAT'S 500,026 AND LINE 30, WHICH IS STATE HIGHWAY 130 NORTHBOUND FRONTAGE FROM 79 TO LIMMER, WHICH IS 500,026. AND THEN THE LAST POTENTIAL ONE WOULD BE LINE 70 ON THE NEXT PAGE, KARL STERN AND 685 T 73, WHICH IS 500,000 TO START IN 26. WHAT WAS THAT? WHAT WAS THAT PROJECT RIGHT BEFORE THE T 73? T 25. EXCUSE ME, T 26. IT'S LINE 30. IT'S STATE HIGHWAY 130. NORTHBOUND FRONTAGE FROM US 79 TO LIMMER. PERFECT, 500,000. WE JUST GOT ALL OF THIS INFORMATION THIS WEEK. UPDATED. THE ONLY RECOMMENDATION HERE THAT THE CIP SUBCOMMITTEE HAD WAS FOR THE LIVE OAK RECONSTRUCTION TO BE MOVED OUT TO THE END OF THE CIP PROGRAM TO TO YEAR 30. IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. WOW. THAT'S THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME THAT THAT ROAD HAS BEEN TORN UP SINCE 2019. AND IT'S A IT'S A WAR ZONE OUT THERE. AND WE'RE SAYING MOVE IT OUT ANOTHER FIVE YEARS. YEAH. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS IT TO BE A NEW LAYER TOPPED OVER IT FROM A AMOUNT OF CARS THAT DRIVE THE ROAD DAILY? THAT $9 MILLION COMPARED TO OTHER ROADS THAT WOULD THEN BE NOT BE WORKED ON. I THINK THE GENERAL CONSENSUS WAS YOU CAN SOLVE A PROBLEM FOR 2000 CARS A DAY. OR YOU CAN SOLVE A PROBLEM AT 50,000 CARS A DAY. ANY IDEAS? THEY SHOULD HAVE A SMOOTH ROAD, BUT TO SPEND ALMOST $10 MILLION TO SMOOTH THE ROAD AND THEN GIVE UP ON OTHER ROADS, IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE A GOOD USE OF MONEY. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE ON THESE IS, I THINK FOR THE COUNCIL. WELL, I GUESS FOR JAMES IS GONE. MAYBE, MATT, WHICH ONE OF THESE PROJECTS OUT OF THESE PROJECTS, LIKE IF WE SAY, FOR INSTANCE, 1660 NUMBER T4. T4 WILL OCCUR THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR, RIGHT? YEAH, WE'LL BE FINISHING IT. T4 STARTED YET? NOW HERE T4. YEAH, YEAH. T4 IS ANTICIPATED TO START THIS WINTER IS WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING ONCE WE GET THE FINAL AGREEMENT FROM UPRR. SO WE HAVE T5. THAT'S GOING TO BE, WHAT, A YEAR TO CONSTRUCT T5. I BELIEVE WE ARE ESTIMATING 18 MONTHS TO. SO THEN I GUESS A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL. DO WE WANT TO DO T5 THOUGH THAT IN CONSTRUCTION THE SAME TIME WE DO T18? OH, SO SORRY, MAYOR, CAN I INTERRUPT JUST FOR MY OWN KNOWLEDGE, I GUESS TO CLARIFY. I THOUGHT T4 WAS PART OF THE THE 1660, THE REQUIRED FUNDING THAT WE NEEDED TO DO. SO I ALWAYS HAD THAT MARKED AS REQUIRED TO DO SO. YEAH. IT'S I JUST LOCKED AWAY. WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS WHAT ROADS DO WE WANT TO HAVE IN CONSTRUCTION AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE IF WE TEAR UP THAT INTERSECTION AND THEN WE GO DOWN, WE DO 16, 61, 37 AND CR 163. AS LONG AS YOU CAN TELL US HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET EVERYBODY OUT OF THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN AND UP, AND WE WANT TO THROW THEM ALL IN CONSTRUCTION, GREAT. IF YOU SAY, HEY, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A GOOD MOVE TO DO ALL THOSE AT ONCE. AND IN MY MIND, WE CAN MOVE ONE OF THE PROJECTS OUT SO THAT NEXT YEAR WE HAVE A SHOVEL READY PROJECT, WE PASS A BUDGET HIT CONSTRUCTION, OR I CAN MAYBE 1661 37 WE SAY 18 MONTHS FROM OCTOBER OR WHENEVER IT STARTS, WE'RE GOING TO PUT 163. AND THAT'S WHERE I'M REALLY LOOKING FOR. YEAH. SO MY RECOMMENDATION, OF COURSE, THE 1660 AT 79 AND 1660 AT 137 PROJECT BOTH INVOLVE TEXDOT. [00:25:02] THE 163 PROJECT IS JUST US. SO IN IN THE SATURDAY MEETING WHEN WE PRESENTED THE GENERAL CONCEPT OF THE BUDGET. I HAD ALREADY PUT IN THERE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE POTENTIALLY LOOK AT DELAYING THAT PROJECT TO GET THE OTHER TWO PROJECTS DONE, SINCE WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO HAVING TEXDOT ON BOARD AND UPRR. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY CONTINUE WORKING ON FINISHING THE DESIGN OF 163, NOT TRY TO PUT IT INTO CONSTRUCTION WHILE THE OTHER TWO ARE, AND THEN WORK WITH TXDOT. MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON 1660 AND 79 FIRST, GET THAT ONE GOING, AND THEN HAVE THEM PHASE IN 1660 AND 137. AFTER 1660 AND 79 HAD BEEN GOING FOR A LITTLE WHILE. SO YES, IT'S GOING TO BE UNCOMFORTABLE. BUT THAT'S KIND OF BEEN OUR MANTRA SINCE I GOT HERE, IS WE WANT THE ENTIRE CITY IN CONSTRUCTION. WE WANT PEOPLE SCREAMING ABOUT US DOING TOO MUCH RATHER THAN NOT ENOUGH. AND SO AND THEN COMPLETELY DELAY 163 UNTIL BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE 100% DONE. THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION ON HOW WE APPROACH THIS IN EXCHANGE BOULEVARD. HOW SOON UNTIL YOU THINK THE DESIGN ON THAT WILL BE READY TO GO FOR? CAN WE HAVE THAT READY TO GO IN 12 MONTHS TO HIT CONSTRUCTION? SO THE EXCHANGE DESIGN IS IT'S JUST THE INTERSECTION HERE AT EXCHANGE IN LIVE OAK. THE DESIGN IS BASICALLY DONE. WE'RE JUST COORDINATING THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION ISSUES. SO WE JUST MET WITH THE OWNER OF THE USPS PROPERTY. HE HAD A FEW TWEAKS THAT HE WANTS TO MAKE. I MET WITH CITY MANAGER AND WE TALKED THROUGH THOSE, SO WE THINK WE CAN MAKE THOSE TWEAKS. THE DESIGN IS BASICALLY READY TO GO. WE'RE JUST WAITING ON RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION SO THAT WE CAN GET IT INTO CONSTRUCTION. YEAH, I MEAN, T-15 THAT'S T-15 IS A WHOLE STRETCH OF EXCHANGE, RIGHT? SO WHAT YOU SEE OUT IN THE 2627 BUDGET LINE ITEM, THAT WAS WHEN COUNCIL ADDED BACK THE FULL LENGTH OF EXCHANGE, BECAUSE REMEMBER ORIGINALLY IT WAS THE FULL LENGTH FROM 79 UP TO. I ALWAYS SAY IT WRONG. IS THAT HOLMAN OR HOFFMAN? HOLMAN. HOLMAN. AND THEN COUNCIL SAID, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE WE'VE STILL GOT DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING. AND SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS HAD JUST REPAVED SOME OF IT. SO WE'RE LIKE, JUST LEAVE IT. JUST FIX THE INTERSECTION THAT'S HERE AT LIVE OAK IN EXCHANGE. SO THAT'S BASICALLY READY TO GO. THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO, THAT OTHER SECTION THAT YOU SEE OUT THERE IN 26, 27 ON YOUR LINE ITEM. THAT WAS WHAT WE ANTICIPATE THE FUTURE DESIGN BEING AND FUTURE CONSTRUCTION. SO YEAH, WE COULD DEFINITELY DELAY THAT ONE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY RUSH FROM COUNCIL TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE REST OF EXCHANGE RIGHT NOW. NO, I WAS THINKING, CAN YOU HAVE THE DESIGN READY BY 26 TO WHERE, FOR INSTANCE, IF LIVE OAK WAS TO MOVE OUT TO OUT FURTHER AND THAT MONEY FREED UP, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT 8.9 MILLION FOR LIVE OAK, IF I HAD A CHOICE BETWEEN 8.9 MILLION FOR LIVE OAK OR 7.8 MILLION FOR EXCHANGE, THE WHOLE REBUILD, I'D GO WITH THE EXCHANGE ALL DAY LONG BECAUSE WE'VE GOT FIRST RESPONDERS ON THERE. WE'VE GOT MAYBE A THOUSAND APARTMENTS THAT ARE USING THAT. AND I JUST THINKING IF THAT GOT MOVED OUT, WOULD THAT ROAD. THE INTERSECTION IS THE ROUNDABOUTS DONE THIS YEAR AND THEN A YEAR LATER WOULD WE BE READY DESIGN WISE TO THEN THROW THE WHOLE ROAD IN? I MEAN, IT WOULD BE TIGHT, BUT YEAH, I COULD PROBABLY GET THE DESIGN DONE TO WHERE WE'RE READY TO BID IT OUT BY THE TIME WE START THE 2627 YEAR. BECAUSE MY THINKING IS THAT'S MORE IMPACTFUL ON DRIVERS IN HUTTO THAN LIVE OAK. BUT I THINK LIVE OAK TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON'S POINT. ALL OF OLD TOWN NEEDS A A LAYER. I MEAN LIVE OAK. AT LEAST IT DOESN'T HAVE RUTS THAT'LL, YOU KNOW, YOUR CAR BOTTOMS OUT LIKE ON HUTTO AND SOME OTHER STREETS. SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A WAY TO FIGURE ALL THAT OUT JUST TO GET US THROUGH WHILE WE GET THE REST OF THE ROAD SYSTEM FIXED. BUT THAT'S JUST MY I LIVE JUST OFF OF OF EXCHANGE. I THINK EXCHANGE IS FINE. I WOULD PREFER TO PUSH THAT ONE OUT BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF PEOPLE DRIVE ON IT, I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF LIVE OAK COMPARED TO EXCHANGE, IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE I DRIVE BOTH OF THEM QUITE OFTEN. SO SO YEAH, I MEAN, MAYBE MORE PEOPLE DRIVE ON EXCHANGE, BUT THE CONDITION THAT IT'S CURRENTLY IN NOW IS COMPARED TO THE OTHER IS NIGHT AND DAY. WHAT YEAR WOULD YOU MOVE THAT TO MOVE IT. MOVE WHAT EXCHANGE. BOULEVARD RECONSTRUCTION. SO THE 7.8 MILLION. THAT'S IN 2627 OH. THE 7.8. WHAT WOULD YOU MOVE THAT TO? I WASN'T CONSIDERING MOVING IT AT ALL. WHY DO I NEED TO MOVE IT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 26. PUSH IT OUT. SO I'M SAYING YOU WERE WANTING TO PULL IT IN. NO, NO, I WANT RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT GREEN. I'M WANTING TO TAKE MONEY FROM THIS YEAR TO HAVE PROJECTS READY NEXT YEAR. OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU'RE WANTING TO PUSH OUT EXCHANGE, I'M ALL FOR THAT, [00:30:01] BECAUSE THEN THAT OPENS UP THE ABILITY TO WIDEN LIMB OR LOOP. YOU GOT 13 MORE MILLION IN PROJECTS THERE. SO THEN THAT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN ANYBODY, IF EXCHANGE CAN GO OUT A COUPLE MORE YEARS, THEN YOU CAN BRING LIMBER LOOP IN WHICH BACKS UP TO 130 ALMOST SOMETIMES 2.9 FOR THE ROUNDABOUT THOUGH. YEAH, I THINK EXCHANGE CAN WAIT. I THINK THERE'S EVEN A POTENTIAL THAT THE THE PORTION OF LIVE OAK THAT DOESN'T EXIST MIGHT BECOME A HIGHER PRIORITY ITEM THAN EITHER OF THOSE ROADS. I THINK THE OLD TOWN PORTION OF LIVE OAK WILL BECOME A HIGHER PRIORITY WHEN COTTONWOOD STARTS DEVELOPING. THEN THAT BECAUSE THEN IT BECOMES A CONTINUOUS WHEN IT CONNECTS TO EVEN MORE TRAFFIC. YEAH. SO I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS WORK NOW, BUT I THINK THE FULL BUILD OF IT CAN CAN WAIT A COUPLE OF YEARS. NEXT YEAR IS THE YEAR. OKAY. I GUESS MY CONCERN TOO WITH LIVE OAK IS I REMEMBER BACK IN 2019, I THINK IT WAS BUDGETED AT 3 MILLION. 3 OR 4. A LOT THOUGH. NO IT DID. BUT STILL. NOW WE'RE AT 9 MILLION. AND YOU MOVE IT OUT ANOTHER FIVE YEARS AND THEN IT'S. YEAH, 15, 20 MILLION. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT READY TO BE BUILT NOW ANYWAY, BECAUSE THE COUNCIL DECIDED TO BURY THE UTILITY LINES AT A COST OF $1 MILLION. AND SO WE'RE THE ONES SETTING THE PROJECT BACK. AND SO BUT I THOUGHT THEY DIDN'T. THEY REDESIGN IT. ISN'T THAT WITH THE DESIGN COMPANY HAVEN'T THEY. I MEAN, MAYBE I COULD ASK. SO LIVE OAK, IS THAT CURRENTLY UNDER REDESIGN BECAUSE OF BURYING UTILITIES OR HAVE THEY FINISHED THAT REDESIGN. WE ARE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SECTION OF LIVE OAK FROM THE CO-OP TO FRITZ PARK? YES. OKAY. SORRY, I WAS HAVING A SIDEBAR WITH CITY MANAGER. SO THAT ONE IS ABOUT 90% DESIGN. WE FINALLY, IT TOOK US A WHILE TO GET ENCORE AND AT&T AND EVERYBODY ELSE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, AND SO WE'RE BASICALLY ALMOST THERE. THERE'S A FEW LITTLE PIECES OF PAPER THAT WE GOT TO WORK OUT WITH ENCORE STILL, BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL THEIR RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT WE GOT TO FOLLOW. BUT I THINK WE'RE PROJECTING WE'RE PUSHING EVERYBODY TO BE ABLE TO BID THAT OUT IN OCTOBER IF WE DECIDE TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON THE DESIGN ON THAT ONE RIGHT NOW. TWO MONTHS, WE COULD BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. TWO MONTHS POTENTIALLY. YES, SIR. ONE OF THE THINGS JUST JUST FOR YOU GUYS'S CONSIDERATION JUST SO THAT I CAN MUDDY UP THE WATER FOR YOU A LITTLE BIT. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SHIFTING MONEY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD PUT OUT THERE THAT COUNCIL MAY WANT TO CONSIDER IS LIVE OAK, BUT GOING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. SO FROM THE DEAD END OF LIVE OF WHERE LIVE OAK CURRENTLY DEAD ENDS WHILE YOU WERE REFERENCING. CONFERENCING. OKAY. SORRY. JUST JUST MY MY $0.02 WORTH IS I THINK THAT WOULD IMPROVE THAT CONNECTIVITY. IT ALSO OPENS UP THOSE AREAS FOR POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND YOU'RE SAYING GOING TO EDITOR SCHMIDT. SO FINISHING OFF THAT WITH THE DEVELOPER WAS ORIGINALLY ON THE HOOK FOR THAT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT DEVELOPER IS GONE NOW RIGHT. YEAH. THAT'S GOING WEST. CORRECT. YES. YEAH. FROM SO FROM THE DEAD END RIGHT OVER HERE. YEAH. ALL THE WAY OUT TO ED SCHMIDT IS, IS THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON A DEVELOPER TO DO. BUT THAT DEVELOPER WENT AWAY. AND SO I THINK THE BANK TECHNICALLY OWNS THAT LAND RIGHT NOW. AND NOBODY CAN REALLY DO ANYTHING IN THAT AREA BECAUSE THERE'S NO ROADS. AND THERE IS A PROJECT I KNOW SOUTH OF WHERE THE ROAD IS THAT THEY'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THE ROAD. THEY DON'T OWN THE LAND THERE. AND SO I, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF, IF WE HAVE FUNDING SOMETHING MIGHT BE THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO CONSIDER. OKAY. AND THEN MAYOR I JUST WANT TO JUMP IN FOR CLARITY TO MAKE SURE BACK ON EXCHANGE THE GREEN THE 2.9 MILLION THAT'S IN GREEN THAT IS FOR THE INTERSECTION. IT IT'S THE 7 MILLION IN THE NEXT COLUMN. THAT'S FOR EXCHANGE. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M ONLY THINKING IS IF WE'RE GOING TO FUND A POLICE STATION NEXT YEAR, THEN I DON'T SEE A LOT OF ROAD BONDS GETTING SOLD. AND SO IF WE SIT THERE AND HAVE ALL THIS IN GREEN, I THINK MY EXPECTATION WE HAD ALL THIS IN GREEN LAST YEAR, AND WE HAD MOST OF THIS IN GREEN THE YEAR BEFORE. AND SO TO ME, IF WE BUDGET SOMETHING THAT I THINK AT SOME POINT WE'D GET IT DONE OR WE GET PEOPLE THAT CAN OR WE BUDGET DIFFERENTLY AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'VE GOT 10 MILLION THERE. WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT ABLE TO BUILD THAT THIS YEAR. LET'S PUT IT IN A LINE THAT REALLY IS PROPER, AND IN THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE A COUPLE OF YEARS OF PROJECTS READY TO GO. YOU FUND THE POLICE STATION, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FUND THE $60 MILLION POLICE STATION AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND DO 20 OR 30 MILLION [00:35:02] IN BONDS WITHOUT MAJOR INCREASES NEXT YEAR. SO THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE, WHAT CAN REALLY, HONESTLY BE MOVED? WHAT REALLY CAN'T BE BUILT THIS NEXT 12 MONTHS, LIKE SAY CR 163. AND SO THEN IF YOU REALLY HAVE THINGS THAT CAN'T BE DONE, LET'S NOT BUDGE THEM THIS YEAR. LET'S PUSH THEM TO NEXT YEAR AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE ACTUALLY GOT MONEY NEXT YEAR. THAT WAY WE GOT ROADS THIS YEAR, ROADS NEXT YEAR. POLICE STATION GETTING BUILT 27. WE'RE STARTING THE THE STUDY OF THE THE PARKS AND THE PUBLIC WORKS. FINISHING THAT UP 28. THAT'S GOING TO CONSTRUCTION. THEN WE'RE STARTING TO PUT ROADS IN ON 2728 BECAUSE THE POLICE STATIONS DONE BY THEN. SO WE'VE GOT A YEAR WITHOUT MAJOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. AND HOPEFULLY BY THEN THE DATA CENTERS ARE KICKING OFF THE MONEY. WE HOPE THEY DO. WELL, I LIKE MOVING 163 OUT A COUPLE OF YEARS IF IF THOSE OTHER TWO PROJECTS ARE GOING TO TAKE 18 MONTHS TO FINISH THAT, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE TO MOVE THAT TO MAYBE 2728. THAT'S 4.5 MILLION. WHICH ONE IS THE LINE ITEM? 163. NUMBER LINE ITEM 22. THANK YOU. YEAH, I AGREE WITH BUMPING THAT ONE. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE PAINFUL, BUT THE VOLUME OF CARS IS ON 137 AND 1660 AND THAT THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE. SO THAT'S THE RIGHT PRIORITY. WE'RE OKAY MOVING THE EXCHANGE OUT A COUPLE YEARS TO 2030. I USE EXCHANGE ALL THE TIME AND I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT. YEAH. ME TOO. TO AND INCLUDING NOT WANTING TO BUILD THE INTERSECTION TO MAKE THE CONNECTIVITY WORK. NO, WE'RE JUST AT THE INTERSECTION POINTS BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE READY TO GO. JUST TALKING ABOUT THE OH, THE 7 MILLION OKAY. YEAH OKAY. OKAY. SO MOVE THE 7 MILLION OUT. BUT KEEP THE 2.7 MONEY OKAY. YEAH. AND ARE Y'ALL TAKING MOTIONS ON THIS AND VOTING. SO THAT WAY WE KNOW WHAT IS OFFICIAL AT SOME POINT. YEAH WE WILL OKAY. SEE WHAT EVERYBODY HAS GOING ON I UNDERSTAND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I DON'T WANT US CAPTURING SOMETHING THAT THEN Y'ALL DON'T. YEAH. ENDORSE. YEAH. WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF US ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE TWO, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE T THAT 7.8 MILLION FROM 2627 ON ROW 19, PROJECT T 15 OUT TO 2028 2029. AND THEN ROW 22 PROJECT T 18. MOVE THE ENTIRE 4.5 MILLION OUT TO. I'D SAY 2829 AS WELL. WHAT DID YOU SAY? 28? 29? YEAH. I HAVE A SECOND LINE. 22 SECOND. IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THAT? NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. I COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS I OCTOBER THOMPSON I COUNCIL MEMBER KING. AYE. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PORTERFIELD. AYE. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. OKAY, SO THE NEXT GROUP IS WATER PROJECTS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. IS THERE ANY OTHER MOVES YOU WANT TO DO ON THIS ONE? SORRY. WHAT DID WE FINALIZE ON? WHAT DO WE FINALIZE ON LIVE OAK? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE LIVE OAK TO 8.9 MILLION. UP TO 2728. OKAY. LINE ITEM. SORRY. OH, SORRY. T9. I GOT IT. ITEM 14. AND MOVE THAT TO WHERE? SO 27. 28. OKAY. SECOND. SO I GUESS ONE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO LEAVE MONEY FOR WORK ON THAT ROAD NOW BECAUSE IT DOESN'T NEED WORK NOW. LIKE I DON'T THINK CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. IF WE TOP IT, YOU CAN'T USE THIS MONEY FOR TOPPING. THAT'S A NO, RIGHT? YOU CAN ONLY USE CIP MONEY FOR ACTUAL REBUILD STUFF. YEAH I DO. IDEALLY, THAT'S WHAT YOU'D WANT TO DO BECAUSE YOUR OVERLAY IS NOT GOING TO LAST THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU'RE YOUR BONDS ARE. SO IT'D BE WISE NOT TO DO IT THAT WAY. BUT WHAT I'D ASK IS THAT WE WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER MAY ALREADY HAVE IT, BUT WHAT? OUR ARE $2 MILLION IN ROAD MAINTENANCE IS PROJECTED TO BE THIS YEAR? AND RICK HAS IT. IF WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN OR WE DO. CAN WE TWEAK THAT TO WHERE LIVE OAK GETS REPAVED? LIKE I FORGOT THE ROAD THAT WE ALREADY DID DOWNTOWN. WE DID LAST STREET, WE DID EAST STREET, EAST STREET, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT WON'T. I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO LAST TEN YEARS, BUT WITH THE TRAFFIC ON IT, [00:40:01] IT'S KIND OF WE SAID ABOUT FRONT STREET, YOU CAN REBUILD FRONT STREET FOR $20 MILLION TODAY. AND YES, IT'S CHEAPER TO DO IT TODAY, BUT THEN YOU FOREGO ANOTHER PROJECT, OR YOU CAN SPEND 3 OR $400,000 AND RESURFACE IT, AND YOU COULD GET ANOTHER 5 TO 7 YEARS OUT OF IT. AND IN THE MEANTIME, YOU'VE COMPLETED $20 MILLION OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE LIKE, REALLY, REALLY NEED TO HAPPEN. AND ALL EVERYBODY I THINK WANTS IS SMOOTH ROADS AT THE END OF THE DAY. I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE WANT ON STREET PARKING. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I MAKE THAT. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH. I'VE BEEN WANTING TO PUT A LAYER ON THAT ROAD SINCE I GOT ON COUNCIL, AND THIS WAS MOVING IT TO 2930. DID YOU SAY 27, 28? 27, 28? BECAUSE IN MY MIND. 25, 26 IS POLICE STATION. 2627. WE'RE FINISHING THAT UP. 2728 IS AN OFF YEAR FOR MAJOR CIP PROJECTS. SO THAT'S A GOOD TIME TO DO SOME MORE ROADS. WE DON'T HAVE FUNDED YET. SO WHAT OTHER ROADS WOULD WE DO? ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THOSE TONIGHT? LIKE ONCE WE FREE UP THE MONEY OR DO IT LATER? YOU HAVE WELL, IN THIS YOU STILL HAVE ED SCHMIDT. YOU HAVE 5.5 MILLION NEXT YEAR. THAT'S NOT FUNDED FOR ED SCHMIDT. YOU HAVE 7.8 MILLION FOR EXCHANGE THAT GOT MOVED. YOU HAVE A COMBINED 13 MILLION FOR LIMMER LOOP. SO YOU STILL HAVE 20 MILLION IN PROJECTS NEXT YEAR. I THINK WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT T 79. STARTING TO MOVE UP. MONEY ON IT RIGHT NOW. THAT'S THE LIVE OAK GOING OUT TO ED SCHMIDT. YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON. OH, THAT'S THE ONE THAT. YEAH. MATT JUST SAID. I MEAN, AT THE VERY LEAST, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE ONE WE WANT TO START ENGINEERING ON. I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH THAT BY MOVING BY MOVING LIVE OAK OUT TODAY, WE CAN AT LEAST START THE ENGINEERING ON LIVE OAK AND ED SCHMIDT TODAY. DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE BUILDING IT BECAUSE WE MAY STILL HAVE A DEVELOPER COME IN. AT LEAST WE CAN SAY WE HAVE ENGINEERED PLANS. YOU JUST HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. AND MAYBE WORST CASE, WE REIMBURSE YOU THROUGH A SALES TAX REIMBURSEMENT OR SOMETHING OVER THE YEARS TO PAY FOR IT. DON'T YOU KIND OF THINKING SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO AMEND SUPPORT FOR YOU. OKAY. AMENDING THAT TO THROW THAT IN THERE. SO, AS I SAID, DOES THAT NEED TO BE A NEW MOTION OR CAN WE JUST AMEND IT? AMEND IT. SO WHAT WAS THE SECOND PART OF THE MOTION TO PUT TI 79 INTO THIS YEAR. WE THINK LIKE A HALF A MILLION TO GET IT GOING. IS IT GOING TO TAKE A MILLION TO DO THAT? IT WON'T TAKE A MILLION TO THAT LITTLE BIT WILL IT? I WOULD SAY WE START WITH HALF A MILLION AND CALL IT GOOD. AND SO ACTUALLY THERE'S ALSO T46. THAT'S THE INTERSECTION OF LIVE OAK AND ED SCHMIDT. AND THAT'S A SEPARATE PROJECT RIGHT. SO PART OF IT OR. WELL, I MEAN, WE CAN COMBINE THEM INTO A SINGLE PROJECT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO PUSH THE DEVELOPER TO DO WAS TO DO THE INTERSECTION WITH THEIR ROAD. THEY WEREN'T VERY HAPPY WITH ME, BUT. SO YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE. IT'S NOT BAD HAVING A BAD REPUTATION FOR BEING MEAN ON PEOPLE, BECAUSE THEN AT LEAST SOMETIMES THEY'LL COME IN AND GO, I'LL DO YOU A FAVOR. I'LL JUST GO REBUILD THIS INTERSECTION SO I DON'T MIND HAVING A BAD REPUTATION. THE PROBLEM IS, IS WHEN I MAKE THEM MAD, THEY RUN TO YOU GUYS. I KNOW WE GOT YOUR BACK. HAHA. SO DO YOU THINK JUST FOR RECORD KEEPING. WE PUT 250 IN EACH LINE SO THAT WE HAVE IT ON OUR ON OUR DEAL. BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A COMBINED ENGINEERING. WOULD YOU SAY 500 FOR EACH OR 500 FOR ONE AND 250 FOR THE OTHER. I WOULD JUST LEAVE IT AT 500. AND I MEAN, WE COULD TO MAKE IT CLEANER, JUST COMBINE THEM ALL INTO A SINGLE PROJECT AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. I DO WELL BECAUSE THE INTERSECTION IS LIABLE TO HAVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL. SO DO YOU THINK 500 IS ENOUGH TO DESIGN THE STRETCH OF THE ROAD, THE INTERSECTION AND THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL? I KNOW IT IS. I KNOW YOU CAN DESIGN IT, BUILD IT WELL, YOUR PRIVATE SECTOR, YOUR PRIVATE SECTOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WE CAN BUILD IT AND DESIGN IT LATER. YOU CAN ALWAYS DO IT. IS IT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? NOT YET. SO I'M RUNNING THROUGH PROJECTS IN MY HEAD. I THINK WE DID ABOUT 200,000 IN DESIGN FOR 132, WHICH WAS A GREENFIELD PROJECT, AND I THINK WE DID ABOUT 200 FOR DESIGN ON THE INNOVATION AT LEMUR PROJECT. SO IT'LL BE TIGHT, BUT I THINK WE CAN GET THERE. OKAY, SO WE'LL JUST COMBINE T 46 AND T 79 6250, AND WE'LL ADJUST THE MOTION AT HALF 1 MILLION TO 1946 AND 79 AND DO 500,049. I ALWAYS MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE FLUID IN OUR PROJECTS. AND I DO APPRECIATE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON LIVE OAK. IF THIS WERE TO PASS THROUGH, I DON'T THINK IT'S FOR LACK OF LOVE FOR THE [00:45:05] ROAD. IT'S BETWEEN 2018 AND NOW, WE'VE PROBABLY ADDED 25,000 PEOPLE TO OUR POPULATION ON A WHOLE ENTIRE ROAD SYSTEM. THAT IS NOT SET UP FOR THAT. HEY, MIKE, WHICH ONE? T WHAT T 46 AND 79 4046. OH, YEAH. I'M SORRY. AND SO YOU'RE SAYING 500 EACH. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? NO, JUST 500 TOTAL. TOTAL. 500. TOTAL. OKAY. TOTAL. OKAY. I HAD 500 EACH TO COMBINE WITH TI 79 AND MAYOR. COULD I COULD I GET THOSE AS A MOTION? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE JUST MOVING, BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME IF WE HAD IT IN MOTION. THAT'S PART OF OUR MOTION. YEAH, IT'S A MOTION TO MOVE T9 OUT TO 27, 28, TO COMBINE 46 AND 79 TOGETHER AND ALLOCATE 500,000 TO THAT PROJECT. THANK YOU. WHICH YEAR? 2526. SO IT'S T9 MOVING TO 2027, 2028 AND THEN ADDING T7 NINE AND T 46 INTO 2526 FOR A TOTAL OF 500 K PROJECT. OKAY. I LIKE TWO THIRDS OF THAT MOTION. CAN I DO A TWO THIRDS A TWO THIRDS VOTE A. TWO THIRDS. BECAUSE I ALREADY KNOW I'M CATCHING HELL ON ONE THIRD OF IT. OKAY, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCILMEMBER GORDON. OKAY. GORDON A COUNCILMEMBER. AYE. COUNCILMEMBER. PORTERFIELD. AYE. COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MAYOR. SNYDER. AYE. COUNCILMEMBER MAURICE. AYE. MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO. OH. I'M SORRY 601. BEFORE WE GO ON, ANY OTHER ROAD PROJECTS? YEAH. REAL QUICK, MAYOR YOU HAD MENTIONED ABOUT PUTTING A TOP LAYER OVER THERE ON ON LIVE OAK, IS THAT. I DON'T SEE THAT IN THESE NUMBERS. YEAH, THAT'S BECAUSE THIS IS IT WON'T BE A CIP PROJECT. THIS CAN ONLY BE CIP ITEMS. IT'LL HAVE TO BE A MAINTENANCE ITEM. OKAY. SO WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE THAT OUT OF THE WHATEVER. THIS IS 2.2 MILLION IN AND ROAD MAINTENANCE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I DO REMEMBER THAT LATER. OKAY. ON T 16. IS THAT OUR SHARE OR WHAT SHARE OF THAT INTERSECTION HAVE. WAIT A SECOND. MAIN. MAIN HIPPO IN 1660. AS I UNDERSTAND, THERE'S SOME BACK AND FORTH FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ON WHAT? WHAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPACTS AND WHAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE TO. HAVE WE FIGURED THAT OUT YET? AND FLESH IT OUT ON HOW MUCH EVERYBODY'S PAYING? NO, MAYOR WE HAVEN'T FINISHED THEIR TIA YET TO GET THE FINAL NUMBERS AND GET THE PRO RATA AND BREAK ALL THAT DOWN. I BELIEVE THAT BACK IN 2017, 2018, WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED PLANNING THAT SCHOOL UP THERE, AND THEY DID THE ORIGINAL TIA, THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ON THE HOOK FOR AT LEAST PART OF THAT SIGNAL. THE ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT AT THE TIME. AND SO I BELIEVE THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD IS AWARE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY SOMETHING, BUT WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THIS FINAL TAR TO GET APPROVED SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEIR ACTUAL COST IS. 633 IS WHAT WE EXPECT AS A TOTAL PROJECT. 633 IS WHAT WE ESTIMATED TO START COMMUNICATING WITH TXDOT. DO THE AFE, START THE DESIGN PROCESS, COORDINATE WITH THE SCHOOL, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. THAT'S WHAT WE ESTIMATED IT WAS GOING TO COST US AND CONSTRUCTION OR JUST JUST TO GET JUST TO GET ALL OF THE TXDOT PAPERWORK ICE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO THE FULL ICE ANALYSIS. YOU GUYS REMEMBER THE ICE THAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH ON 132 AND 79? SO THAT'S A REQUIREMENT OF TXDOT. NOW TO PUT ANY KIND OF SIGNAL OR INTERSECTION ON THEIR ROADS, YOU HAVE TO DO THE ICE ANALYSIS. SO WE WOULD BE DOING THE COORDINATION WITH TXDOT, THE ICE ANALYSIS, THEN FULL DESIGN AND THEN GETTING AND THEN CONSTRUCTION ADMIN, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF GETTING READY FOR BIDDING. CAN WE BRING THAT CONTRACT UP AT A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING? WHICH CONTRACT? MAYOR WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S MAKING THAT BE. 633 WHOEVER THE CONSULTANT IS. WELL, SO LET ME CLARIFY. MAYOR WE DON'T WE HAVEN'T. WE'VE PIECED TOGETHER OTHER PEOPLE'S CONTRACTS TO TRY TO GIVE YOU GUYS A GOOD NUMBER. OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS KNOW MY TRACK RECORD. I'M ALWAYS GOING TO TRY TO ARGUE THESE GUYS DOWN TO BRING YOU THE BEST POSSIBLE PRICE THAT I CAN. BUT I HAVE TO COME IN HIGH AND TELL YOU THAT. BECAUSE IF I COME BACK TO YOU LATER AND SAY, WELL, I THOUGHT I COULD GET IT FOR 300, BUT IT'S REALLY 600, THEN, LIKE THAT'S ON ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T PREPARE YOU GUYS. RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE A UNOFFICIAL TIMETABLE ON THE TIA AND HOW THIS IS WHEN THIS IS GOING TO [00:50:01] HOW THIS IS GOING TO PLAY OUT OR WHEN IT'S GOING TO PLAY OUT? IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY BECAUSE WE WAIT ON THEM TO RESUBMIT. THEY'VE SUBMITTED, WE'VE PROVIDED COMMENTS, THEY RESUBMITTED, WE'VE PROVIDED COMMENTS. SO REALLY IT'S IN THEIR COURT TO REDO EVERYTHING. YES, THE ISD, BUT I MEAN, THEY ARE ALSO TRYING TO COORDINATE WITH TEX, DOT AND US AT THE SAME TIME. AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY AT, AT WHENEVER THEY ARE READY TO PULL AN OFFICIAL. I'M NOT HOLDING IT. DO YOU THINK THIS IS PUSHING OUT GREATER THAN 12 MONTHS? I CAN'T SEE IT PUSHING OUT THAT FAR BECAUSE THE SCHOOL IS PUSHING TO GET THAT HIGH SCHOOL DONE SOONER THAN THAT. OKAY. SO I WOULD IMAGINE THEY'RE UNDER THE GUN TO GET IT DONE. THANK YOU. HAVE YOU ALL RESOLVED IT? LIKE ON YOUR SIDE OF YOU GUYS HAD THAT MEETING? YEAH. NO, THEY'RE THEY'RE AWARE FOR SURE. YEAH. IF THAT'S ALL YOU'RE ASKING IS IF THE SCHOOL IS AWARE OF THE GO AHEAD. WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WE DEBATE THESE THINGS FOREVER WITH THEM. AND I THINK YOU AND I TALKED AT SOME POINT. I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE COMING UP IS YOU REVIEW THE TIA. YOU MAKE A DETERMINATION LIKE YOU WOULD AS ANYBODY ELSE. YOU BRING IT TO US. WE AGREE. WE PASS A RESOLUTION AND WE TELL THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THIS IS IT. WE'RE BECAUSE WE DEBATE, DEBATE, DEBATE. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN SOMEONE GETS HURT, THEN WE END UP CATCHING THE BLAME FOR IT. IT'S ALL OUR FAULT. WE'RE THE ONES THAT DIDN'T PUT SIDEWALKS THERE. IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY. WE'RE THE ONES THAT DIDN'T PUT A SIGNAL THERE. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO A LOT OF THIS STUFF. AND SO I KNOW THEY'RE TRYING TO DO ANOTHER SIGNAL, AND IT'S LIKE, IF YOU ARE UNWILLING TO PAY FOR THE FIRST SIGNAL, WHY WOULD YOU GO DO ANOTHER SIGNAL? AND SO TO ME, I'M TIRED OF FIGHTING WITH THE ISD. I THINK IT'S JUST BETTER FOR YOU TO GIVE YOUR DETERMINATION COUNCIL TO AGREE, PASS A RESOLUTION, AND THEN WE CAN JUST POST IT ON THE WEBSITE AND LET THE SCHOOL DISTRICT KNOW THAT WHEN PEOPLE COMPLAIN, WE'VE GOT A PHONE NUMBER HERE FOR THEM TO CALL AND IT DOESN'T GO TO THIS BUILDING, IT GOES TO SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN, BUT WE CAN'T. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FILE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITHOUT FOLLOWING A LOCAL AGREEMENT. YEAH. THE SUPERINTENDENT DIDN'T SEEM TO PUSH BACK ON THE NOTION OF JUST DOING A A LETTER OF AGREEMENT OR A LETTER. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT YOU CALL AN LA A LETTER OF AGREEMENT STATING, YOU KNOW, THAT THEIR CONTRIBUTION WOULD BE X DOLLARS TOWARD IT. ONCE WE GET THE THE FINAL NUMBER. SWEET. MATT, REGARDING COUNTY ROAD 132. SO T 25, T SEVEN, T 28, T 41. DO YOU FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH? WELL, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS THERE? I GUESS AROUND FUNDING FOR. I KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH TXDOT TO GET A LIGHT PUT IN THERE, BUT AS FAR AS YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS ON MAKING THAT INTERSECTION MORE SAFER, SINCE WE HAVE CHILDREN GOING ACROSS 79 ON SCHOOL BUSSES, WE HAVE FAMILIES GOING ACROSS 79 TO GET TO THAT SCHOOL. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS THERE FOR T FOR COUNTY ROAD 132. SO YOU'RE REFERRING TO T7, CORRECT? YEAH, T7, I THINK. AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH 3132. SO WITH T7 SPECIFICALLY THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE HAD REFERRED TO AS THE OVERPASS PROJECT. AS I PRESENTED. I THINK IT WAS EARLY THIS YEAR, WE FOUND OUT THAT TXDOT IS WORKING ON A PROJECT TO PUT A SIGNAL IN THAT INTERSECTION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF SAFETY CONCERNS. NOW, THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A, IN TXDOT PARLANCE, A TEMPORARY SIGNAL BECAUSE THEY WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING IN THAT INTERSECTION. AND THEN WE BASICALLY SAID THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO DO ANYTHING YET. WE WERE GOING TO TAKE MIDWAY OR LET MIDWAY TAKE THE LEAD ON ON BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY JUST STARTED THEIR PROCESS AS WELL. WE MET WITH THEM THIS WEEK TO DO THEIR TIA FOR THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTY, AND PART OF THAT IS THEM. TO LOOK AT THAT INTERSECTION. I COORDINATED THE MEETING WITH NOT ONLY THEM, BUT WITH TXDOT. SO TXDOT WAS THERE AS WELL. AND SO THE IDEA BEING TEXDOT WOULD PUT UP A TEMPORARY SIGNAL THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN PLACE LAST I HEARD BY JANUARY. OKAY. TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, IMPROVE SAFETY. AND THEN MIDWAY WOULD COME THROUGH WITH THEIR TIA AND KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO AS PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT TO ACTUALLY FIX THE INTERSECTION BASED ON THEIR TRAFFIC GENERATION NEEDS. AND THEN THAT WOULD BE IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG MULTI-PHASED INTERSECTION PROCESS. HOW LONG WILL THAT TEMPORARY SIGNAL BE THERE FOR? SO ASSUMING TXDOT HITS THEIR TIMELINE AND THEY PUT IT UP IN JANUARY OF 26, I WOULD ASSUME THAT MIDWAY WON'T BE READY TO DO ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT INTERSECTION [00:55:04] UNTIL PROBABLY SOMETIME IN 27 AT THE EARLIEST, PROBABLY LATE 27, MAYBE EARLY 28, SO PROBABLY CLOSE TO TWO YEARS. BEST GUESS. OKAY. AND THEN THE REST OF THE REST OF THE WHAT? I'LL SO FOR CLARITY, THE REST OF WHAT I REFERRED TO AS THE HUDDLE ARTERIAL, WHICH IS NORTH. 132 133 GOING NORTH OF 79 UP TO CHANDLER ROAD AND THE EXTENSION OF 132 SOUTH TO GO FROM 79 DOWN TO 1660. THE IDEA WAS ORIGINALLY THAT WE WOULD DO A SMALLER PROJECT, WHICH WAS THE 132 REALIGNMENT PROJECT THAT WE HAVE IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW TO GO, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU GO UP 132, YOU GO DUE NORTH, AND THEN YOU TURN 90 DEGREES AND GO DUE EAST OR DUE WEST, AND THEN YOU TURN 45 DEGREES AND GO UP 133 AND SO THE IDEA WAS TO TAKE OUT THAT 90 DEGREE BEND AND JUST KIND OF DO A 45 THAT ALIGNS 132 TO 33. SO THAT'S IN DESIGN, THE IDEA BEING THAT WE WOULD USE THAT TO GET US BACK TO THE TABLE OF BARGAINING WITH THE COUNTY AND POTENTIALLY TXDOT, TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THEM BACK ON THE HOOK, BECAUSE ORIGINALLY THAT HUDDLE ARTERIAL WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A THREE PARTY PROJECT WHERE TXDOT WAS GOING TO COME WITH MONEY, THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO COME WITH MONEY, THE CITY WAS GOING TO COME WITH MONEY, AND WE WERE GOING TO DO THIS MASSIVE PROJECT. AND THEN THAT WOULD BECOME THE NEW 16 60 SO THAT THE SMALLER 16 60 COULD BECOME A CITY STREET, AND THEN THE BIGGER 16 60 WOULD ACTUALLY BE MORE OF A HIGHWAY. OKAY, OKAY. A QUESTION I HAD. SO 4007, THAT 500 K WE DID USE THAT THIS FISCAL YEAR. CORRECT? I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO ALBERTA TO KNOW. I MEAN, I THINK WE USED MOST OF WHAT WAS LEFT OF THE CONTRACT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBERS. YES. SO FOR T7 WE HAVE THAT IN THE PROJECTED. SO WE PLAN ON SPENDING THAT THIS YEAR. OKAY. SO I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO 1660 AND MAIN HIPPO BECAUSE I YOU KNOW HAVE THE BAD ASSUMPTION THAT YOU KNOW $600,000. I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO SEE A TRAFFIC LIGHT. WHERE ARE WE. WHEN DO WE SEE A TRAFFIC LIGHT. LIKE WHERE DO YOU SEE THAT HAPPENING? SO JUST A REMINDER. 1660S TEX DOT. SO NOTHING HAPPENS QUICKLY. SO I LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT ME BEING HERE HELPS SPEED THINGS UP SO THAT WE'RE NOT WAITING 3 OR 4 YEARS LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH SOME OF THE OTHER 1660 PROJECTS. BUT IN ALL REALITY, I THINK YOU'RE STILL WAITING PROBABLY A GOOD YEAR OR TWO OF COORDINATING WITH TXDOT, GOING THROUGH THEIR EYES, DOING ALL THE JUMPING THROUGH ALL THOSE HOOPS, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TIME EVERYTHING JUST PERFECTLY TO GET ON THEIR BID SCHEDULE. YEAH. AND SO I WOULD SAY PROBABLY YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT CLOSE TO TWO YEARS BEFORE WE'RE READY TO ACTUALLY GO TO CONSTRUCTION THERE. UNLESS UNLESS SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS THAT LIGHTS A FIRE UNDER TEXDOT. RIGHT. SO THAT'S. THAT'S SOMETHING I'M PUTTING ON MY MY TO DO LIST IS FIGURING OUT HOW TO LIGHT THAT FIRE UNDER TEXDOT OUTSIDE OF YOU, SO THAT YOU CAN KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND BECAUSE I THINK THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE IT A LOT FASTER. AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE TEXDOT MORE AWARE OF THAT. RIGHT. AND I HAVE ALREADY STARTED TALKING TO TEXDOT. THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS COMING. THEY KNOW IT'S A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL. THEY KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO BE PUSHING IT. SO I STARTED KIND OF TRYING TO GREASE THOSE WHEELS, BUT THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH I CAN DO FOR MY LEVEL. SO ANY ASSISTANCE THAT YOU GUYS CAN PUSH FROM THE TOP DOWN WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED. WELL, IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, FROM THE BOTTOM UP, I THINK IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT BECAUSE, YEAH, YOU KNOW, YOU WORK WITH THEM, THEY LISTEN TO YOU, THEY PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU SAY. BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY IF THEY GET 30 PEOPLE CALLING THEM. RIGHT. SO YEAH, WE NEED TO WORK THAT ANGLE I ANGLE, I THINK SO. I'LL GET WITH YOU IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S HELP. I MEAN NINE, 73 AND 79. IT TOOK SIX MONTHS AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT THERE FOR EVERY SINGLE CONVERSATION. BUT THAT WAS COORDINATING. THAT WAS EVEN HAVING TO TAKE OUT A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT ROAD THAT RAN ALONG 79 THAT HAD TO BE ABANDONED. AND THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD GET TEXDOT TO SIGN OFF WAS IF YOU GOT IT ABANDONED AND GOT THREE PROPERTY OWNERS OFF SITE TO AGREE TO IT. ALL THAT SIX MONTHS, SO DID TEXDOT PAY FOR THAT OR DID SOMEONE ELSE? I'VE NEVER SEEN TEXDOT PAY FOR ANYTHING. WELL, THE THE RED LIGHT WOULD BE PAID FOR BY TEXDOT. IF YOU GO THROUGH THE TEXDOT PROCESS THAT THAT I THINK THAT'S INFORMATION YOU GUYS CAN TELL US. SO THEN THE QUESTION FOR THE COUNCIL IS DO YOU WANT TO WAIT TWO YEARS? THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING. YEAH, I WAS JUST WAITING FOR 400,000. SOME CHANGE YOU CAN PERMIT DESIGN AND BUILD A SIGNAL. I KNOW YOU CAN DO THAT. THAT'S BASED IN $2,025. [01:00:01] AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO WAIT TWO YEARS AND SOMEONE DIED BECAUSE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS JACKING AROUND, OR WE'RE HOPING SOMEONE ELSE PAYS FOR IT. TO ME, WE DRIVE IT HARD AND WE DO WHAT WE DO. LIKE AT 1616, WE SAY IT'S AN ISLA. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL IT, RIGHT? THE FUNDING, IF YOU DO THAT WITH THEM, BECAUSE WE HAD TO PUT FISCAL UP AND I THINK WE ACTUALLY HAD TO FUND IT OURSELVES FIRST. AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE CONTRACTORS DO IT. I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS DON'T REALLY CARE. I JUST KNOW THAT LIKE, YEAH, THERE THERE ARE TWO PROCESSES THAT I'VE I'VE SEEN BEFORE. ONE IS WHAT I BELIEVE THE ENGINEER, THE CITY ENGINEER WAS DESCRIBING, WHICH IS YOU GET IT DESIGNED, YOU GET IT WARRANTED, IT GETS ONTO THEIR LIST OF RED LIGHTS, AND THEN THEY GET SO MUCH MONEY FROM THE STATE TO BUILD, AND THEY START AT THE TOP OF THEIR LIST AND BUILD DOWN. AND WHEREVER YOURS FALLS, IF IT'S UP IN THIS PART, THEN IT GETS BUILT THAT YEAR. AND IF IT'S NOT, THEN IT GETS BUILT WHENEVER THEIR CHUNK OF MONEY GETS THEM TO WHERE IT IS ON THE LIST. OR YOU CAN PAY TO GET INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH TEXDOT AND PAY TO BUILD IT YOURSELF. THOSE ARE BASICALLY THE TWO WAYS I'VE SEEN IT. PROBABLY GOING TO PAY FOR HALF OF IT, OR A THIRD OR 25. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE SCHOOL IS GOING TO HAVE A DECENT PRO RATA PIECE OF THIS ONE, SINCE ALMOST ALL THE TRAFFIC IS THEIRS. I GUESS WE COULD BE PAYING 25%, SO IT MAY BE CHEAPER FOR THEM IN THE LONG TERM. I'LL COORDINATE WITH YOU, JAMES. THANK YOU SIR. ANY OTHER ROAD STUFF? WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK. ALL RIGHT. ALBERTA. WATER. OKAY, SO FOR WATER, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF FOR 26, 04,389,504. 20 MILLION. WE HAD SAID AS FOR THE IRON REMOVAL AS YOU KNOW, THROUGH SOME OTHER SOURCE OF FUNDING OUTSIDE OF THE CITY POSSIBLY RECHARGE OR WHATEVER. SO THE TWO PROJECTS THAT WE REALLY HAVE FOR NEXT YEAR ARE W6, WHICH IS FM 1660, THE 16 AND 20 INCH WATER LINE, WHICH PORTION OF THAT'S GOING TO BE A DEVELOPER'S PARTICIPATION. SO THAT WON'T TOTALLY BE ALL OUR COST. OR COULD BE TRANSMISSION LINE. I'M SORRY. NEW ELEVATED STORAGE TANK NUMBER SEVEN IS 23,000,001 81 908 FOR NEXT YEAR. AND BOTH OF THOSE WE HAVE FUNDING SOURCES FOR THE CIP HAS A RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE THE IRON REMOVAL UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE 100% KNOW THAT $20 MILLION WILL MAKE THE WATER NOT BE BROWN, $20 MILLION WILL MAKE THE WATER NOT BE BROWN. BUT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY WAY, NECESSARILY, TO NOT MAKE THE WATER BE BROWN. WE'VE ALSO BEEN TOLD YOU COULD SPEND 20 MILLION AND STILL HAVE BROWN WATER, BECAUSE THE TESTING IS BEING DONE 30 MILES AWAY. AND SO WHAT WE DON'T KNOW IS FROM THE POINT OF THE TEST TO THE POINT OF THE TAP, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. SO IS IT BROWN WATER FROM THE SOURCE 30 MILES AWAY, OR IS IT SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN? THAT'S ALL. OH, YEAH. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. THAT'S THE FACTS. THE FACTS ARE THE IRON IS IN THE WATER FROM OUR WELLS, WHICH ARE PUMPING ALL THAT WAY. THE CHEMICAL THAT THEY USE TO BOND TO THE IRON, TO NOT ALLOW IT TO BE FREE IN THE WATER AND THEREFORE OXIDIZE, WHICH IS WHAT MAKES THE RUSTY COLOR IS HAS A SHELF LIFE, AND IF THE WATER DOESN'T GET CONSUMED WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, BASICALLY THAT CHEMICAL BOND STARTS TO BREAK DOWN AND THEN THE IRON PRECIPITATES KIND OF BACK OUT. THE REASON THAT WE DON'T GENERALLY SEE IT ALL THE TIME IN OUR TAPS IS BECAUSE IT KIND OF SETTLES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PIPE AND IT JUST SITS THERE LIKE A, LIKE IT PRECIPITATES BASICALLY, AND KIND OF SITS THERE UNTIL WE HAVE A LINE BREAK OR SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WATER GOES THROUGH REALLY FAST AND SCOURS IT OR OR WE HAVE AIR GET IN THERE BECAUSE OF A REPAIR AND THEN THAT STIRS IT UP. SO IRON REMOVAL WOULD TAKE THE IRON OUT THE IRON MANGANESE, THAT SORT OF STUFF OUT. AND IT WOULD NEVER BE IN THE WATER THAT ENTIRE TIME. BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT IS, WE ONLY GET THE BROWN WATER IN CERTAIN AREAS, AND THAT'S MORE THAN LIKELY DUE TO THE WATER IN THOSE AREAS AGING LONGER, WHICH IS WHY THE BROWN WATER SHOWS UP IN THOSE AREAS. SO CITY ENGINEER, ENGINEER AND I TALKED IN ANTICIPATION OF THE IRON REMOVAL BEING, [01:05:01] YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY REMOVED. AND I THINK WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS PROPOSE THAT WE DO LIKE A OPERATIONS TYPE STUDY TO SEE IF THERE'S NOT SOME CHEAPER ALTERNATIVE THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE, LIKE MAYBE LOOPING SOME LINES OR SOME SOME ADDITIONAL I DON'T WANT TO SAY FLUSHING BECAUSE THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE'D BE DOING, BUT SOME ADDITIONAL OPERATIONAL CHANGES THAT WE COULD DO TO TO MINIMIZE THE IRON. BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, IRON REMOVAL WILL TAKE OUT THE STUFF THAT MAKES THE WATER BROWN. IT WILL 100% DO THAT. I DISAGREE. OKAY. THE STAFF CAME UP WITH THREE OPTIONS THAT WE KIND OF DISCUSSED ON THE MESSAGE BOARD. I MEAN AND WE DID AND PLANNING AND ZONING AND CITY ENGINEER RECTOR CORRECT ME, BUT THERE ARE MULTIPLE SOURCES THAT COULD BE CAUSING THIS. IT COULD BE BIOLOGICAL THAT CAUSES BROWN STAINING OF THE WATER. THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT COULD BE. AND THE STUDY THAT STAFF SUGGESTED, I THINK IT WAS OPTION THREE WAS TO BASICALLY FUND A STUDY LOCALLY. IN OTHER WORDS, TAKING SAMPLES HERE TO FIND OUT WHERE THE ISSUES ARE, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME PARTS OF THE OF THE CITY THAT NEVER HAVE BROWN WATER, THAT FLUSHING. PIPE LEAKS, WHATEVER. THEY JUST NEVER HAVE BROWN WATER. AND I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. SO I DON'T I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON REMOVING IRON. IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT IRON IS THE TOTAL ISSUE. YEAH. I'M I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT WE KEEP THE IRON REMOVAL IN. OKAY. I'M. I'M SAYING THAT IRON REMOVAL WOULD REMOVE THE BROWN, WOULD REMOVE THE IRON AND MAKE THE BROWN WATER NOT BE BROWN. THAT WOULD DO THAT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE OKAY. THAT'S WHERE THE ARGUMENT IS. YEAH. IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT. THERE'S A TEST THAT YOU TAKE WHEN YOU'RE TAKING LIKE THE SATS AND STUFF. IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IRON EQUALS BROWN WATER. REMOVE IRON, REMOVE BROWN WATER. RIGHT. AND WE'RE LIKE, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE. WE AGREE THAT IRON CAN CAN CAUSE BROWN WATER, BUT THERE MIGHT BE NINE OTHER THINGS THAT CAUSE THAT. AND SO IF WE SPEND 20 MILLION TO GET IRON OUT OF THE WATER, AND THAT WASN'T THE ISSUE AND YOU STILL GOT BROWN WATER, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HELL OF A MESS ON OUR HANDS BECAUSE WE JUST SPENT $20 MILLION AND NOW WE STILL DON'T KNOW. AND SO WHILE WE LIKE THE STUDY, WE JUST DON'T WANT THE MESSAGE OUT THERE LIKE, WELL, THE ONLY REASON YOU GOT BROWN WATER IS BECAUSE THE COUNCIL DIDN'T SPEND $20 MILLION. BECAUSE IF WE TAKE THE IRON OUT, IT WOULD BE FIXED. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT MAY BE A HIGH LIKELIHOOD, BUT WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE DIDN'T TEST IT LOCALLY. WE TEST IT 30 MILES AWAY. SO THE MESSAGE REALLY OUGHT TO BE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS CAUSING THE BROWN WATER. WE THINK IT'S IRON. BUT BEFORE WE GO, SPEND $20 MILLION TO GET IT OUT. BUT SUMMARIZING THAT IN A YEAH, AGAIN I THINK IT WAS VOINOVSKY ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, IF I GOT THE TITLE RIGHT HAS SUGGESTED AN OPTION THREE, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A VERY GOOD OPTION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COSTS ARE OF THAT, BUT THERE'S SIGNIFICANT LOWER THAN $20 MILLION TO TO GET THE CONSULTANTS IN. OBVIOUSLY, CITY ENGINEERING AND PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, WOULD WOULD SHEPHERD THAT. AND I FEEL ALL THE CONFIDENCE IN THEM PICKING THE RIGHT PEOPLE, DOING THE RIGHT STUDY, PAYING THE MONEY EFFICIENTLY. SO AND THEN GET BETTER INFORMATION. NOW, IF THIS IS A 24 MONTH THING, I DON'T I DON'T SOMETHING COULD BE HAS TO BE DONE SOONER THAN THAT. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE LOGISTICS ARE EITHER. BUT I FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S IN OUR WATER LOCALLY. AND ALSO AS YOU AS CITY MANAGER, YOU SAID THAT THEY'RE ALL COMING FROM THIS ONE SOURCE. IT COULD BE A DISTRIBUTION LINE WITHIN THE CITY, BUT WHEN YOU DOWNSTREAM FROM THAT, YOU CAN HAVE THREE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS WITH THREE DIFFERENT QUALITIES OF WATER. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I DON'T THINK WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT. AND UNTIL WE UNDERSTAND THAT, I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON A REMEDY THAT MAY NOT BE THE CORRECT REMEDY. YEAH. FOR ME, IF IT WAS 2 MILLION BUCKS, NOT A NOT A DEAL, WE STARTED TALKING 20 MILLION. AND HERE'S THE OTHER QUESTION. THE PROPOSED WATER RATE INCREASE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH NEXT WEEK. DOES THAT IS THAT THE 20 MILLION IN THAT? NO, BECAUSE THE 20 MILLION WAS GOING TO BE FUNDED THROUGH RECHARGE AND BUILT INTO OUR OPERATIONAL COSTS FOR THE COST OF WATER. SO IT'S NOT YET REFLECTED IN OUR IN OUR RATE STRUCTURE. SO THAT WOULD BE A WATER INCREASE COMING NOT NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER. YEAH, I THINK IT WAS LIKE A DOLLAR. IT WAS LIKE AN ADDITIONAL DOLLAR, A THOUSAND, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO TO PUT THE 20 MILLION INTO RECHARGE PER PERSON PER MONTH? I THINK SO, YEAH. OF THE 30 WE ALREADY HAVE OVER THREE YEARS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PUT LIKE A MILLION IN THIS AND THEN MOVE 19 MILLION OUT TO LIKE 29 AND 30 TO WHERE IT CAN BE MOVED AROUND. IT'S STILL IN THERE BUT IT WILL A MILLION I DON'T KNOW. [01:10:02] IT'S I'M ALWAYS AMAZED WHAT THESE STUDIES COST. YEAH I, I CAN IMAGINE THIS BEING MORE THAN 50 OR 100 GRAND, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. SO WE WE DON'T NEED A MILLION. 50 GRAND. SEEMS PRETTY LOW, BUT. OH, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. THAT'S WHAT THEY GOT. OKAY, SO 100 K FOR 2526 AND THEN MOVING 19,009 OR 19,900,000. OUT TO WHAT? TO THE END. YEAH. JUST AS A PLACEHOLDER, I GUESS. OKAY. IN CASE YOU FIND A WAY TO. BECAUSE IT STILL HAS TO BE IN THERE FOR IT STILL HAS TO BE IN A FIVE YEAR FOR RATES, IMPACT FEE RATE STUDIES AND STUFF. RIGHT? YES. IS THAT A MOTION? YES A MOTION. SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? SO, JAMES, WHAT'S THE REMEDY? WHAT'S THE REMEDY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? IF WE DON'T FUND THIS FULLY FOR THE 20 MILLION. BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING TO DO IS TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE IT STUDIED TO. REMOVING IF IT IS ION. REMOVING IT ISN'T THE ONLY WAY. THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY DO. SO LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT HAVING THREE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS. WELL, ONE NEIGHBORHOOD MAY BE AT THE END OF THE SYSTEM. SO ALL THE WATER FLOWED THROUGH THESE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS TO GET TO HERE. SO IT'S AGED THAT MUCH LONGER BY THE TIME IT GETS HERE. AND THAT'S WHY. AND THEN THIS DOESN'T THIS IS DEAD END. SO IT'S NOT FLUSHING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO IT'S JUST KIND OF SITTING THERE. SO IT MAY BE THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING TO REMOVE THE IRON, WE HAVE TO SPEND $1 MILLION TO BUILD A LOOP FROM HERE BACK AROUND SO THE WATER CIRCULATES BETTER. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING, IS BASICALLY THE ABILITY TO ANALYZE AND COME UP WITH. IF THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE TO DOING IRON REMOVAL, THEN LET'S CONSIDER THAT FOR COST EFFECTIVENESS AND AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING. AND THE COST THAT WE PUT IN NOW OR THAT THE MOTION WAS MADE FOR THAT WOULD COVER THAT. THAT'S A STUDY. IT'S JUST MEANT TO GET THE TO GET THE PROBLEM LOOKED AT BY A THIRD PARTY AND FOR THEM TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY, HERE ARE YOUR OPTIONS. AND IT COULD BE THAT THE ONLY OPTION IS IRON REMOVAL. COULD BE BUT IT COULD ALSO BE, HEY, YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, BUILD A 12 INCH LINE FROM HERE TO HERE. AND WE THINK THAT THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE CIRCULATION OR MAYBE THE NEW WATER TOWER ADDED IN WILL CAUSE THE WATER TO TURN OVER MORE OFTEN, AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS THE BROWN WATER WILL GET FRESHER WATER FASTER BECAUSE THEY'LL BE CLOSER TO THE WATER TOWER. IT COULD BE THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT WE WON'T. WE WON'T KNOW IF WE DON'T STUDY IT. SO AND SO WE'RE LEAVING ENOUGH MONEY FOR YOU TO STUDY THAT, CORRECT? YES. AND IF NOT, THEN, THEN WE'LL JUST COME BACK AND ASK BECAUSE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH OF THIS COULD WE ACTUALLY USE FROM, FROM THE CEOS AND THE THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IF IT ENDS UP BEING TO WHERE, HEY, WE CAN'T USE THE CEOS, BUT MAYBE WE CAN USE THE INTEREST, OR MAYBE WE CAN'T USE THE CEOS, BUT WE NEED TO GO TO THE OPERATING, THEN WE'LL NEED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND TELL YOU ALL THAT. I THOUGHT THERE WAS ANOTHER OPTION. I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME ABOUT ABOUT DOING USING RECHARGE WATER OR SO. WELL, THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION IS WHENEVER WE'RE BLENDING IN THE RECHARGE WATER, THE AMOUNT OF IRON THAT'S COMING THIS WAY MAY BE DILUTED. THE THE SOLUTION TO POLLUTION IS DILUTION. MAYBE DILUTED TO THE POINT AND THAT IT ISN'T ACTUALLY AS BIG OF AN, OF AN ISSUE AS IT IS TODAY. I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT BE A LONG TERM SOLUTION, BUT IT COULD BE A SHORT TERM, DEPENDING ON THE COST. DO YOU HAVE AN UNOFFICIAL ESTIMATED COST OF? THAT DOESN'T COST. I MEAN, WE'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR THE RECHARGE. IT'S JUST A MATTER THAT THE WATER IS COMING AND IT DOESN'T HAVE AS HIGH IRON CONTENT THOSE WELLS. SO WHEN WE BLEND IN, IT'S KIND OF A MATTER OF CHANCE IN SOME WAYS. YEAH, IT'S WE'LL BE BLENDING IN THAT WATER IN WITH WITH OUR WATER. AND WHEN WE DO, THE AMOUNT OF IRON THAT'S IN THE WATER COMING THIS WAY WILL, WILL DECREASE PER, PER VOLUME. RIGHT. YEAH. AND WE'LL ALSO BE CUTTING THE WATER THAT WE'RE PUMPING AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE THEY'RE GIVING US MORE THAN WE CAN HANDLE RIGHT IN THE PIPE. SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE MORE OF THEIR WATER AND LET OUR WELLS REST. AND YEAH, THERE'LL BE TIMES WHEN WE DO SHIFT BACK AND FORTH FOR SURE. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND, I MEAN, I FEEL COMPELLED TO SAY THE AMOUNT OF IRON THAT'S IN THE WATER IS STILL ACCEPTABLE, YOU KNOW, FOR CONSUMPTION AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. IT'S IT'S NOT PRETTY. WHENEVER THAT BROWNNESS HAPPENS. AND SO IT IS VERY MUCH A CONCERN FOR EVERYONE. WHENEVER YOU GO TO PUT YOUR KID IN THE BATHTUB AND THE WATER COMES OUT BROWN, LIKE, THAT'S NOT THAT. NOBODY WANTS THAT. THE KID COMES OUT BROWN. WELL, THE THE POINT IS THAT YOU CAN'T TELL THAT WHETHER THEY GOT CLEAN OR NOT. YOU KNOW, THE WATER SEEMS DIRTY. IT'S NOT DIRTY. IT JUST IT HAS IRON IN IT. [01:15:02] AND THAT'S THAT'S PREDOMINANTLY CLARIFYING THAT BECAUSE OUR STANDARD WATER STANDARDS ARE WELL WITHIN. YES. THAT'S TRUE. YEAH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. WHAT WAS THE YEAR THAT THE REMAINDER WAS GOING TO MAYOR 2930? THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. KING. AYE. I COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS. I COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. I COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. I COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. I MAYOR SNYDER. I MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. A LOT OF YELLOW ON THIS PAGE. I LET MATT GET AHOLD OF THIS PAGE. SO SO HERE FOR THE WASTEWATER PROJECTS, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 168 MILLION. 629 959 OF THAT, WE NEED TO DO A DEBT ISSUANCE FOR 72 MILLION. 559 144 I GUESS, YOU KNOW, REALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT WASTEWATER TEN THAT PROJECT IS IS IN PROCESS. I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT LINE, WASTEWATER 13, THE AVERY LAKE INTERCEPTOR PHASE. IS I BELIEVE THAT ONE. OR IS IT THIS ONE? I NEED MATT TO TELL ME. BUT ONE OF THOSE. HE'S GOING TO NEED TO DO A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION. AGAIN, ASSUMING THAT WE DO THE ISSUANCE IN FEBRUARY WHEN WE DO THE JUSTICE CENTER TRY TO COMBINE THOSE TOGETHER SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TWO SEPARATE ISSUANCES, TWO DIFFERENT ADDITIONAL COST INVOLVED IN MAKING THAT ISSUANCE. SO IF WE PUSH IT TO FEBRUARY, MOST LIKELY WE'LL NEED TO DO A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION FOR ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS. WHICH ONE IS IT? OKAY. SO TO TO CLARIFY THE NON ENGINEER FOLK SO WW TEN WHICH IS THE SOUTHEAST LOOP WASTEWATER INTERCEPTOR IS ALREADY IN CONSTRUCTION, BUT WE NEED THE 24.9 MILLION TO BE ABLE TO FINISH THE PROJECT OUT. WW 11, WHICH IS LINE NUMBER TEN. THE $32.6 MILLION IS THE REMAINDER OF THE COST FOR THE BRUSHY CREEK PHASE FOUR. SO THAT ONE IS IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW. WE ANTICIPATE GOING TO CONSTRUCTION EXPEDIENTLY. AND SO BUT THAT 10 MILLION WILL HOLD US OVER, BUT IT WON'T FINISH THE PROJECT. THEN THE ONES THAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTIONS ARE FOR LINE NUMBER 11, WHICH IS WW 13, AVERY LAKE PHASE ONE AND LINE NUMBER 16, WHICH IS WW 23, AVERY LAKE PHASE TWO. AND IF YOU REMEMBER, THE AVERY LAKE, PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO ARE RELATED TO THE PEARL ESTATES PROJECT, WHICH THEY'RE CALLED SOMETHING ELSE. NOW LIMMER SQUARE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I DON'T REMEMBER. ON THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT, ON THE NORTHWEST SOUTHWEST CORNER OF LIMMER AND 130. AND SO BUT THE CAVEAT BEING THAT EVEN IF YOU DID THOSE TWO LINES, YOU STILL HAVE TO DO BRUSHY CREEK PHASE FOUR, BECAUSE THOSE TWO LINES LEAD TO WHERE THE ENCLAVE LIFT STATION IS RIGHT NOW, AND IT IS AT CAPACITY, SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING WITH THOSE LINES UNTIL THAT LIFT STATION IS GONE. AND SO JUST A REMINDER, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER OF WHAT I CALL PEARL ESTATES, SO THAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO THE DESIGN FOR THE PROJECT, AND THEN THEY ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR A PORTION OF CONSTRUCTION UP TO A CERTAIN POINT, AND THEN WE WOULD TAKE OVER THE COST. WE WILL BID IT OUT BEFORE THEY AND THEN THEY WILL START PAYING FOR CONSTRUCTION. THEN WE WILL TAKE IT OVER AND PAY THE REST. THAT'S THE WAY THE AGREEMENT IS BASICALLY SET UP. BUT THE ANTICIPATION IS IS BY THE TIME WE ISSUE THE BONDS, WE WILL ALREADY BE IN CONSTRUCTION. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WOULD NEED THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION. THEY'RE DOING A PRO RATA SHARE WITH THE ISD. AT SOME POINT WHEN THEY BUILD THEIR THIRD HIGH SCHOOL, THEY WOULD PAY A PRO RATA SHARE ASSUMING THEY WANT TO BE ON SEWER. AND THEN THE AVERY'S, IF THEY DECIDE TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY, THEY WOULD PAY A PRO-RATA SHARE. AND THEN I THINK TEX-MEX RIGHT ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THEY WOULD PAY. SO I BELIEVE WE ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING WITH TEX-MEX ON THE SOUTH SIDE FOR THEM TO BE ON THE HOOK. I, I HONESTLY MAYOR I'M NOT SURE ABOUT ANY AGREEMENTS WITH ISD OR THE AVERY'S. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TALKED TO ALL OF THEM TO COORDINATE EASEMENTS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. I BELIEVE THAT THE AVERY'S TOLD US THAT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING, BUT AT SOME POINT WHEN THEY SELL THEIR LAND AND THEY DEVELOP, THEN EITHER THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY THROUGH IMPACT FEES OR SOME OTHER METHODOLOGY. [01:20:04] BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY ACTUAL AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE WITH ANY OF THOSE OTHER ENTITIES. I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE AGREEMENTS, BUT THAT THAT'S THE PLAN, RIGHT? IS, YES. WHEN THEY WANT TO DEVELOP, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THEIR SHARE. SO WE MAY BE SHOULDERING THE COST. COULD BE TEN YEARS FOR, SAY, THE HIGH SCHOOL. BUT AT SOME POINT THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR WHATEVER THEY WOULD HAVE USED, BECAUSE NORMALLY WE DON'T CHARGE IMPACT FEES. RIGHT. FOR SCHOOLS. CORRECT? CORRECT. FOR SCHOOL WE WOULD NOT. THAT'S WHERE I THINK SINCE THEY SAID THEY WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THIS AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO GET AN AGREEMENT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TIME WILL MAKE PEOPLE FORGET. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'LL FORGET THAT THE WHOLE REASON WE DID ALL THIS ORIGINALLY WAS NOT TO HAVE A PACKAGE PLANT NEXT TO OUR HIGH SCHOOL. SO I DON'T KNOW, JAMES, WHEN WE WHEN WE GET THAT FIGURED OUT, BUT THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER FOR EVERYBODY ONCE IT'S BUILT. EVERYBODY'S GOING TO FORGET WHO OWED WHO WHAT WITHOUT SOME KIND OF A DOCUMENT. YEAH, I THINK ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T DO IT NOW, BUT WE DO HAVE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE MEGA SITE TOURS TO PAY MONEY AGAINST THE SOUTHEAST LOOP WASTEWATER INTERCEPTOR GOING FORWARD. BUT WE WE WON'T HAVE. I MEAN, THE MONEY SHOULD INCREASE NEXT YEAR, WITH DATA CENTERS ONLINE AND AN INCREASE MORE IN THE FOLLOWING YEARS. I THINK WE NEED TO GET THAT ON A PROJECT PLAN FOR THE TOURS AND AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT REIMBURSING SOME OF THAT THAT WAY, BECAUSE THAT LINE IS IS SERVING THAT GROWTH. AND. THAT GROWTH SHOULD BE CONTRIBUTING TO PAYING FOR THAT. SO YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT. THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING IS WE GET ALL THIS FIGURED OUT, THAT MONEY GETS REIMBURSED. SO INSTEAD OF BORROWING MORE MONEY IN 2627 OR 2728, WHENEVER IT IS WE'RE GOING, WE NEED TO BORROW LESS. AND THEN ALSO HOPEFULLY THE 130 TOURS IS GOING. AND THEN THAT'S REIMBURSING US FOR THE AVERY EVERY LAKE INTERCEPTOR PHASES ONE AND TWO TO WHERE EVENTUALLY WE'RE TAKING THE REIMBURSEMENTS TO FUND NEW PROJECTS, AND WE'RE BORROWING LESS GOING FORWARD BECAUSE IT'S ASTOUNDING HOW MUCH HOW MUCH UTILITY DEBT WE HAVE AS A CITY. AND KNOWING WE'RE NOT, WE'RE JUST SCRATCHING THE SURFACE TO WHERE I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE CHEAPER TO TREAT YOUR OWN WATER HERE BEFORE LONG AT YOUR HOUSE. I WISH I HAD SOMETHING TO MOVE ON. THIS AN IDEA, BUT I DON'T. ANYBODY KNOW? I THINK IT'S JUST WE NEED TO REALLY WORK HARD TO GET IT. GET SOME OF IT MOVED OFF OF HERE IN THE FUTURE BEFORE THE LOAD FALLS ON THE RATEPAYERS FOR ALL THIS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TO HELP EASE THAT LOAD. YEAH. WE CAN'T DO IT TODAY. DOES THAT CONCLUDE THE CIP DISCUSSION? RUSSIAN MATERIALS IS WHAT? HOW THE DEBT'S DIVVIED UP. RIGHT. I'M SORRY, MAYOR, COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? IS THIS IT? I THINK THIS IS IT FOR THE CIP DISCUSSION, RIGHT? THE REST OF THE PAPERS HERE ARE HOW THE DEBT IS ALL DIVVIED UP. JUST SHOWING YOU WHAT THE BALANCES ARE AND THE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES, AND THEN JUST THE TOTAL OF 78 MILLION FOR NEW DEBT, WHICH IS THE 5,500,000 FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER, AND THEN THE 72 MILLION THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED IN WASTEWATER PROJECTS. AGAIN, LOOKING AT KIND OF A FEBRUARY TIME FRAME AT THIS POINT YOU SAID B 5.5 MILLION FOR JUSTICE CENTER. YES, SIR. AND AND THE 24.9 FOR WASTEWATER TEN THE SOUTHEAST LOOP WASTEWATER INTERCEPTOR 32,000,006 76 535 FOR THE WASTEWATER 11 BRUSHY CREEK INTERCEPTOR PHASE FOUR 8,000,009 45 FOR WASTEWATER 13, WHICH IS THE AVERY LAKE INTERCEPTOR PHASE ONE AND 6,000,030 FOR WASTEWATER 23, WHICH IS PHASE TWO OF THE AVERY LAKE. WELL, THE GOOD NEWS I CAN SAY IS, UNLESS I'M READING THIS WRONG. WATER AND WASTEWATER ARE SHORT OF THE CENTRAL PLANT, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE HAD A DETERMINATION THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT, BUT SHORT OF THAT, THIS IS THE BULK OF THE WATER WASTEWATER PROJECTS FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. I'M SORRY. GENERALLY, YES. BUT I ACTUALLY MET WITH THE CITY MANAGER TODAY, AND LIKE, I MADE IT VERY CLEAR TO HIM THAT IF WE LAND ONE BIG PROJECT THAT COULD CHANGE EVERYTHING ON WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BECAUSE IF YOU LAND WHAT DID WE SAY? IF YOU LAND ONE BIG USER IN THE MEGA SITE, THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING FOR YOUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. YOU KNOW, NOT TO NOT TO TAKE ON ANY BIG SERIOUS. [01:25:03] BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THIS, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO GET CRUSHED AND THEN WATER. WE ONLY HAVE $16 MILLION IN PROJECTS OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS IN WASTEWATER. IF YOU SCRATCH OUT THE CENTRAL PLANT AND WHATEVER THE COTTONWOOD CREEK INTERCEPTOR IS, YOU ONLY TALK ANOTHER 9 MILLION. AND SO IF THE IDEA IS WE NEED LOW WATER USERS, WHEN I GOT ON COUNCIL, THE MANTRA WAS WE NEED HEAVY WATER USERS, HEAVY WATER USERS. AND THEN WE FOUND OUT A COUPLE YEARS LATER, NO ONE READ THE REPORT. HAD WE READ THE REPORT, WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN. YOU DON'T WANT A HEAVY WATER USER BECAUSE WE'RE ABOUT TO RUN OUT. SO WE I THINK THE EDC NEEDS TO KNOW NEED TO BE CHECKED AND DISCHARGED. MAYBE. OR MAYBE IT'S A MOTION TO TELL, TO FORMALIZE IT TO WHERE? LOOK, WE WANT YOU WHEN YOU PROCESS AN SCR TO RED FLAG IT AND TELL US THAT, HEY, FYI, SOME GUYS COMING THROUGH HERE WANTING A HEAVY USE, AND IF YOU DO THAT, YOU THINK IT'S GOOD, BUT IT'S GOING TO TRIGGER $35 MILLION IN PROJECTS. YOU'RE GOING TO RAISE PEOPLE'S WATER RATES. IF YOU GUYS SAY YES TO THIS, WE MAY BE MORE APT TO SAY NO. WE APPRECIATE YOUR BUSINESS, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. WE DON'T WANT TOOL WASHING OR WHATEVER IT IS. I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD BECAUSE WE KEEP GETTING CAUGHT IN ALL THESE THINGS. AND YOU GOT TO DO IT BECAUSE YOU REMEMBER WHEN YOU VOTED YES LAST YEAR, WHEN NOW YOU GOT TO SPEND $80 MILLION AND IT'S LIKE, DAMN, WE'RE NOT GETTING THE INCOME IN TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE. SOMEONE THINK I'M WRONG ON THAT? NO, I'M JUST SAYING ANYBODY. NO, YOU JUST WANT SOMEBODY TO ARGUE WITH YOU OR. WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE I'M NOT ALWAYS RIGHT. BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT IS MATT TO COME UP AND BE FRUSTRATED. I'D RATHER HIM TELL PEOPLE RIGHT AWAY, LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? LIKE, FYI, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO GO OVER WELL, SO YOU MAY JUST WANT TO SAVE YOUR MONEY. I'LL GET WITH JAMES FOR HOW TO FORMALIZE THAT. TO WHERE? BECAUSE I DO HONESTLY THINK WE NEED SOME SORT OF POLICY TO WHERE WE'RE DIRECTING STAFF AND EDC FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO TARGET, WHAT WE WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM. LIKE, I DON'T WANT PERSONALLY, I DON'T WANT ANY HIGH WATER USERS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE WATER TO GIVE. AND IT REALLY SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T WANT ANY HIGH WASTEWATER USERS. WE WANT. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANT. WE WANT SOMETHING THAT IS A DATA CENTER FALLING AS A HIGH WASTEWATER USER. THEY CAN, BUT THE ONES THAT WE HAVE AREN'T. YEAH. YEAH. SO WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER HIGH AND WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER HIGH MAY BE DIFFERENT. SO THERE'S THERE'S THAT. BUT WHATEVER IT TAKES NO MORE EXPANSION OF THE PLANT IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. YEAH. GENERALLY I WOULD, I WOULD FLAG USERS THAT ARE, THAT ARE PROBABLY OVER, OVER LIKE A 250,000 GALLONS PER DAY. I'D FLAG ALL OF THOSE USERS FOR SURE. LET'S TALK UP AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING. WE'LL BRING IT. I DO, I THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE A COUNCIL DIRECTIVE THAT WAY. YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING. CHENEY'S GOT SOMETHING. SARAH HAS SOMETHING. WHERE AS SOON AS PEOPLE SEE IT, YOU JUST GO, HOLY SMOKES. IS THE IS THE JUICE WORTH THE SQUEEZE ON THIS. AND IF IT'S GOING TO BRING $100 MILLION IN VALUE, BUT USE 400,000 A DAY IN IN IN CAPACITY, THEN WE CAN SAY THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU TO ADD ANY MORE PROJECTS TO THIS. I WILL DO MY BEST. MAYOR. OTHERWISE I'LL JUST START SAYING NO AND EVENTUALLY WE WILL HAVE A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE'RE ALL GOING TO SAY NO WHEN WATER GOES TO MUCH HIGHER. BUT. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANYTHING ELSE ON SIP. YES, MAYOR, IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE PARK CATEGORY. THERE WAS NO MOTION. SO WE DID TALK ABOUT FINDING AN ALTERNATE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE ON THE BRUSHY CREEK AMPHITHEATER VERSUS THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE FUND. SO JUST WANT TO GET THAT CLARIFIED AND ON THE RECORD, IF THAT'S TRULY WHAT I NEED TO DO. I MEAN, I DON'T LIKE USING COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEES, BUT WE DON'T REALLY SPEND ANY MONEY MAINTAINING THE PARK EITHER. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR ME. IT'S NOT A HUGE WE'VE ONLY SPENT 33,000 IN 2 YEARS. BUT YEAH, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE JUST TO NOT NOT SCHEDULE IT FOR THIS YEAR AT ALL. AND THEN IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT BREAKS AND NEEDS TO HAPPEN, THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND IT AT THAT POINT IN TIME. TAKE IT OUT OF THE CAPITAL CIP IMPROVEMENT FUND. NO REPLACEMENT FUND. THE REPLACEMENT FUND. WELL, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A CAPITAL REPLACEMENT, BUT I FOUND THAT FUND. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO MOVED. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO ZERO. THAT OUT SECOND. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, THAT'S TAKEN THE 100,000 FOR THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION OUT OF THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE OF BRUSHY CREEK. SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. [01:30:03] AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PORTERFIELD. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM. THORNTON. AYE. MAYOR. SNYDER. AYE. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. NOW, WE'RE DONE WITH THAT, RIGHT. THANK YOU. GREAT JOB. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 4.2 REVIEW AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 [4.2. Review and possible action on the Fiscal Year 2026 Proposed Budget. ] PROPOSED BUDGET. I'LL JUST OPEN THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION FOR COUNCIL. OR DO YOU WANT TO? WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO START OR DID YOU GET US STARTED? HOW TO GET PEOPLE READY TO GO. OKAY. SO THANK YOU. ALBERTA BARRETT, FINANCE DIRECTOR, FOR THE RECORD. SO JUST A HIGHLIGHT ON THE GENERAL FUND. WELL, FIRST OF ALL GOING THROUGH CLEAR. GOV. WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT WE LEARNED THIS YEAR IN IN USING THE THE SOFTWARE AND ESPECIALLY IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND. SO BASED ON THE DISCUSSION THAT WE JUST HAD AND THOSE RECOMMENDED CHANGES WILL GO IN AND UPDATE CLEAR GOV. SO IT REFLECTS THOSE PROJECTS CORRECTLY. SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG PIECES THAT WE WE FOUND THAT WE NEEDED TO TO KIND OF FIX OR CLARIFY ON THAT. HOW DO WE IS THERE A WAY YOU GUYS CAN MAKE A PD F OF THE CURRENT WHAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE AND SAVE IT ON THE WEBSITE AS A VERSION? BECAUSE LAST YEAR WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO ME WAS WE GOT THE TALKING, MAKING CHANGES AND I COULD PRINT SOMETHING OUT. IT WAS LITERALLY IT WAS WHAT'S THE WORD DIFFERENT BY THE TIME THAT IT GOT DONE PRINTING 400 PAGES? AND SO IF THERE'S A WAY TO BE ABLE TO TRACK IT, BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE WOULD GET IN LATER ON AND GO, OH YEAH, WE MADE THAT CHANGE HERE. AND SOMETIMES WE KNEW ABOUT, SOMETIMES WE DIDN'T. BUT I UNDERSTAND CLEAR GOV IS KIND OF A LIKE A LIVE. YEAH. SO THE WEB THE WEBSITE VERSION IS IS LIVE. WHENEVER WE MAKE CHANGES ON THE ON THE CLEAR GOV ASPECT THAT WE GAVE YOU ALL ACCESS TO SO THAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH. BUT WE CAN WE CAN SAVE SCENARIOS. AND I DO THINK I'M LOOKING TO THE BACK, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE DID A PDF OF THE BUDGET BOOK, AND IT IS CURRENTLY ON THE WEBSITE AS IT WAS PRESENTED. SO WHEN WE MAKE EDITS AND CHANGES, WE WILL RUN A NEW VERSION OF THE BUDGET BOOK WHILE IT STAYS PROPOSED UNTIL IT BECOMES ADOPTED. YEAH. IF YOU JUST PUT LIKE A VERSION TWO, VERSION THREE, AT LEAST WE CAN SEE A PROGRESSION. WE'LL USE THE DATES ON IT. SO THAT WAY IT'S, IT'S CLEAR WHAT WHAT DATE IT'S BEING ADJUSTED. SORRY ALBERTO. NO NO WORRIES. THANK YOU. SO JUST TO HIGHLIGHT ON THE GENERAL FUND AND COMPARING THE ORIGINAL BUDGET IN 25 TO OUR PROPOSED 26. KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THE BUDGET THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, WHICH IS 0.385928 PER $100 VALUATION. THAT GENERATES ABOUT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS 14,000,005 25 766 AND PROPERTY TAX REVENUES FOR NEXT YEAR IN THE GENERAL FUND. SO WHEN YOU COMPARE 25 ORIGINAL BUDGET TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN REVENUES, WE HAVE AN INCREASE OF 1,554,801. THE MAJORITY OF THAT INCREASE IN REVENUES, OF COURSE IS THE THE NET PROPERTY TAXES AFTER THE ANY KIND OF ABATEMENTS OR REIMBURSEMENTS INCENTIVES. THAT'S ABOUT 794,000 INCREASE NET SALES TAX AGAIN AFTER THOSE INCENTIVES IS ABOUT A $558,000 INCREASE. AND THEN THE REMAINDER COMES FROM FINES AND PENALTIES. SO THAT'S THE THREE MAJOR AREAS IN THE REVENUES THAT THAT SAW THE INCREASE FOR 26. SAME FOR EXPENSES YOU'RE LOOKED AT. TOTAL EXPENSES INCREASED ABOUT 1,851,000. THE MAJORITY OF THAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. WE INCREASED THE STREET MAINTENANCE IN THIS NEXT YEAR TO 2.1 MILLION VERSUS THE MILLION EIGHT THAT WE HAD THIS YEAR. WE HAVE TRAFFIC SIGNAL MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS 52,500. WE HAVE AN INCREASED COST FOR DISPATCH, WHICH INCREASED ABOUT 376,000. THERE'S AN INCREASE IN THE ANIMAL SHELTER EXPENSES OF ABOUT 62,000. WE ALSO INCLUDED FIVE NEW FTES IN THE GENERAL FUND. SO THAT TOTALED ABOUT 486,000. AND THEN THE 2.5% INCREASE SALARY ADJUSTMENT FOR EMPLOYEES IS ABOUT 935,000. [01:35:05] SO THAT'S THE THE BULK OF WHAT THE INCREASE IN EXPENDITURES ARE GOING THROUGH. LOOKING AT CLEAR GOV, THERE IS ONE ITEM THAT WE NEED TO POINT OUT THAT IS THE FOR THE FLOCK CAMERAS. SO IT'S A TWO YEAR AGREEMENT. WE STARTED LAST YEAR. WE HAD PROJECTED WE'D SPEND THIS YEAR IN 25. THAT AMOUNT NEEDS TO BE CARRIED OVER TO 26. AND IT HAS NOT BEEN INCLUDED AS TO DATE. BUT THAT'LL BE 36,500 THAT WE NEED TO INCLUDE IN IN YEAR 26. THAT IS NOT THERE RIGHT NOW. SO WE'LL NEED TO MAKE THAT IN THE NEXT VERSION. IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. WE ALSO INCREASED OUR RESERVES FROM LIKE 21 TO 25. YES, SIR. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. UNLESS IF YOU WANTED TO START WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR OR HOW YOU'D LIKE TO START NEXT. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL. I WASN'T SURE WHAT THE PROCESS WAS GOING TO BE ON THIS. WERE WE GOING TO? I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HEAR FROM EACH DEPARTMENT HEAD TO LET THEM KIND OF WALK US THROUGH THEIR DEPARTMENT, OR WERE WE JUST GOING TO WAIT TO SEE IF WE HAD SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, OR WHAT WAS THE WHAT WAS THE PLAN FORMAT? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? WE'RE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. IT'S ONLY 730. YEAH, I'VE GOT THE I'VE GOT THE STAFF HERE. SO WHATEVER Y'ALL'S PLEASURE IS. YEAH. WELL I MEAN, I PRINTED OUT ALL OF MY QUESTIONS BASED OFF OF WHAT I SAW IN, CLEAR GOV AND IT WAS BY DEPARTMENT. SO TO ME THAT SEEMS TO BE THE EASIEST THING TO DO IS JUST GO DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAS A DIFFERENT IDEA? NO. GET US STARTED. WHAT YOU GOT? OKAY, SO THE FIRST ONE I LOOKED AT WAS CITY ADMINISTRATION. CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD, AND I'M HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING MY VIEW TO SHOW UP ON THIS COMPUTER THAT I HAD NICELY SET UP AT HOME, SO I CAN'T I CAN'T EASILY PULL IT UP HERE. BUT I HAD A QUESTION ON COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDER EVENTS THAT WAS ZEROED OUT FROM LAST YEAR. LAST YEAR IT WAS $8,000. THIS YEAR IT'S ZERO. I WAS WONDERING WHAT THOSE EVENTS WERE. THAT WE SOUNDS LIKE WE HAD SOME LAST YEAR THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THIS YEAR. I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THOSE EVENTS ARE THAT WERE ELIMINATED. KATE MORIARTY, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER. SO ONE OF THEM IN PARTICULAR WAS THE SPONSORSHIP FOR THE CHAMBER GALA. WE FOUND THAT DURING THIS FISCAL YEAR, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE HAD REQUESTED FUNDS FOR A TABLE TO SPONSOR AS WELL AS THE THE EDC, AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS REDUNDANT. AND IN ORDER TO BE MORE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE, WE JUST WENT AHEAD AND DID NOT REQUEST THAT IN THE FISCAL YEAR 26 PROPOSED BUDGET. AND HOW MUCH WAS THAT? I WANT TO SAY THAT WAS RIGHT AROUND $1,500. LAST YEAR IS WHAT WE REQUESTED LAST YEAR. WE HAD ALSO REQUESTED ADDITIONAL TICKETS TO THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY GROWTH SUMMIT, AND WE DID NOT REQUEST THOSE TICKETS IN THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR OR THIS PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR. I'LL PULL UP WHAT LAST YEAR'S REQUEST WAS. OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THESE WERE, LIKE. BECAUSE I KNOW WE HELD, LIKE, SOME TOWN HALLS WITH CITIZENS LAST YEAR. I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS THAT OR IF IT WAS MORE LIKE WHERE WE WERE GOING TO EVENTS LIKE THE CHAMBER GALA AND WILLIAMSON COUNTY EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I WASN'T CLEAR AS TO WHAT THIS WAS. SO WE. OKAY, SO LAST YEAR WE HAD ALSO INCLUDED ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE HENRIETTA HOOP LAW SPONSORSHIP TABLE, WHICH I DON'T RECALL THAT TAKING PLACE OR THERE BEING A TABLE TO SPONSOR THAT THE CITY ELECTED TO SPONSOR. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, WE HAD REQUESTED FUNDS TO SPONSOR THE SANDBOX AT MADELINE'S PLACE KIND OF ANNUAL FUNDRAISER THAT THEY HAD. AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY HELD THAT LAST YEAR EITHER OR THEY HAD KIND OF CHANGED THEIR SPONSORSHIP LEVELS. OKAY. SO THIS IS MORE OF THE CITY NOT PARTICIPATING IN THESE KIND OF COMMUNITY EVENTS LIKE THE YMCA SANDBOX. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THAT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WAS. OKAY. [01:40:06] OKAY. I HAD A QUESTION IN THE CITY MANAGER'S UNDER MEMBERSHIP AND DUES. LOOKS LIKE WE ARE CANCELING OUT ERCOT MEMBERSHIP, ENCORE STEERING. ATMOS STEERING COMMITTEE. IS THERE ANY POTENTIAL REPERCUSSIONS FOR US? IS THERE ANY POTENTIAL GRANTS THAT WE COULD NOT BE, YOU KNOW, QUALIFYING FOR, GETTING OUT OF THOSE COMMITTEES. SO ALL OF THESE KIND OF I DON'T KNOW IF ANCILLARY IS THE APPROPRIATE WORD, BUT THESE KIND OF ADDITIONAL MEMBERSHIPS THAT WE CONTRIBUTE TO FOR REPRESENTATION HAVE BEEN CONSOLIDATED IN THE CITY COUNCIL'S PROPOSED BUDGET. SO YOU SHOULD FIND THE ERCOT MEMBERSHIP DOLLARS THERE. THE ATMOS CITY STEERING COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS ENCORE AND ADDITIONAL MEMBERSHIPS IN THE CITY COUNCIL'S BUDGET. OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD THING. SINCE WE APPROVE IT, IT OUGHT TO BE IN OUR BUDGET. THAT WAY. WHEN PEOPLE SAY, WHY ARE YOU SPENDING THAT MONEY? PEOPLE DON'T POINT AT YOU. WELL, THEY CAN POINT. WELL, CITY COUNCIL MAKES A DETERMINATION AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT'S PUTTING IT IN THERE. I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO TAKE CREDIT FOR THINKING ABOUT IT THAT WAY, BUT ARGUABLY JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, I GUESS, FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC IS THAT WHEN I WALKED IN THE DOOR, WE WERE, YOU KNOW, DOING BUDGET ON EXCEL. AND FOR THE FIRST YEAR WE JUST KIND OF NEEDED A PLACE TO CHARGE THINGS. SO THINGS KIND OF GOT STUCK IN PLACES. IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE'VE BEEN CLEANING IT UP AND MOVING IT WHERE IT ACTUALLY SHOULD BE. SO THE COUNCIL DOES AUTHORIZE BEING AS A CITY, A MEMBER OF THE STEERING COMMITTEES, WHICH ADVOCATES FOR LOWER RATES. AND THAT'S WHY IT GOT MOVED TO CITY COUNCIL THIS YEAR. THANK YOU. WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE? THAT WAS MY BIGGEST QUESTION. I'M STILL TRYING TO GET THIS ONLINE SET UP SO I CAN VIEW IT. YEAH YEAH, YEAH. SO I'VE GOT THESE SET UP HERE SO I CAN SEE IN HERE, BUT I'VE GOT THIS WEIRD COLUMN THAT I CAN'T GET RID OF AND ALL THIS STUFF THE WAY THEY DO IT, YOU GUYS DO IT VERY COMPLICATED. I JUST PRINT THE PDF OFF, AND IF THE PUBLIC CAN'T SEE IT AND I CAN'T SEE IT, THEN WE NEED TO CUT IT. IF IT'S HIDDEN IN SOME COLUMN SOMEWHERE AND THESE GUYS ARE TRYING TO SHOW ME HOW TO DO IT, AND I SAID, I'LL TAKE ABOUT A HALF HOUR TO SET IT UP. I SAID, AND A HALF HOUR I CAN PRINT THE BUDGET AND PROBABLY IT DOESN'T TAKE A HALF HOUR, BUT THE THE PDF DOESN'T HAVE THE THE JUSTIFICATIONS, THE NOTES, THE EXPLANATIONS, THE ATTACHMENTS, THE BIDS, ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE MISSING OUT BY GOING WITH THE PDF THAT THE NUMBERS ARE THE SAME, BUT EMAIL AND ALBERTA AND CHRISTINA AND EVERYBODY'S JUST LIKE FIRING BACK ANSWERS COME TWICE. WELL ALL THE SAME THAT THAT THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF BEING IN THIS SYSTEM IS THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE LIKE THE JUSTIFICATIONS AND THE. AND WHEN THERE'S A BID FOR A PARTICULAR PURCHASE, THEY, THEY ATTACH THE QUOTE AND THAT SORT OF STUFF. SO THAT WAY YOU SEE THE JUSTIFICATIONS ALL THERE. HE'S TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SORT IT. DAVID. IS THAT WHAT THE PROBLEM IS? IT NEEDS TO BE FUND ACCOUNT TYPE, NEW DEPARTMENT, NEW DIVISION OBJECT. YEAH. I'M JUST NOW FOR HOW TO GET FILES OUT OF TEAMS. SO WE'RE. HEY, YOU SENT A TEAMS MESSAGE THE OTHER DAY, I WAS SHOCKED IT WAS COMPLETELY ON ACCIDENT, SO I PROBABLY THOUGHT I WAS EMAILING. YEAH, IT'S IN THERE TWICE I DON'T UNDERSTAND. YEAH. HE'S HE'S. YEAH. SEVEN MORE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES OKAY. COULD YOU, COULD YOU LIST THAT OUT FOR ME ONE MORE TIME? YES, SIR. SURE. CAN. IT'S FUND, ACCOUNT TYPE. NEW DEPARTMENT. NEW DIVISION. OBJECT. AND THEN YOU NEED TO TURN OFF EVERYTHING. AND UNDER GENERAL. EXCEPT FOR ACCOUNT ID. THAT'S WHAT WE WEREN'T DOING. NOW TURN THAT OFF. YEAH, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GETTING MULTIPLE. AWESOME. THANK YOU. NOBODY ELSE HAD ANY QUESTIONS. I MEAN, YOU CAN. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR ME. I'LL LET YOU GO FIRST. [01:45:05] OKAY. YOU CAN SIT AT THE TABLE INSTEAD OF HAVING TO STAND THERE AWKWARDLY. OH, OKAY. WELL, IF YOU WANT TO STAND, STAND. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE OPTION MANAGER. ARE YOU GUYS SERIOUSLY WAITING ON ME? YEAH. DON'T WAIT ON ME. KEEP GOING. I'M LOOKING FOR THIS STUFF. SERIOUSLY? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 43. WELL, WHAT THE HECK? WE HAVE NOTES. NOBODY HAD ANY QUESTIONS ON CITY ADMINISTRATION? CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. EVERYONE'S GOOD WITH JUST. I'VE GIVEN ALL MY QUESTIONS TO JAMES, AND HE'S WORKING ON REPLIES, SO I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT FOR ME YET TO DIG IN AND START FIRING AWAY. AND, I MEAN, YOU CAN FIRE AWAY. I. WE PREPARED ALL THE STAFF. DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR IT UNTIL 2 A.M.. YEAH. WE CAN GO TWO FOR THREE. AND THEN IF YOU'VE GOT ANY MORE NOTES. NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING THROUGH AND EVERYONE WAS GOING TO ASK QUESTIONS ON THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. AND IF ANYONE HAD ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR WHATEVER, HE'S HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE WOULD MOVE ON TO CITY COUNCIL. WE'D MOVE ON TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE'D MOVE ON TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CATEGORY IF YOU WANT. I MEAN, I THOUGHT YOU LIKED TO GO LINE BY LINE. WHAT? I GUESS I'M SO CONFUSED AS TO WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT. I GUESS WE SHOULD HAVE, LIKE, GOT ON THE MESSAGE BOARD TO SAY, WHAT'S THE FORMAT? BECAUSE I'M SUPER CONFUSED. NOW HERE'S WHAT I'M DOING. I'VE GOT WHAT WAS IT, JAMES? 6 OR 7 PAGES. YOU DO? YES. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS NORMALLY I SPEAK AND THEN I HEAR A LOT OF, IF I'M BEING HONEST, HE'S WRONG, I DISAGREE, DISAGREE, DISAGREE. AND I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'VE ALREADY SENT MY STUFF TO JAMES. AND SO EVERYBODY ELSE SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR THEIR VIEWS PUT OUT THERE. AND SO THAT I'M NOT OVERWRITING BECAUSE I'M OBVIOUSLY VERY OPINIONATED. AND SO TAKE TIME TONIGHT TO ASK ALL YOUR QUESTIONS. OF ALL THE EVERYBODY OF STAFF WERE SIX WEEKS AWAY FROM PASSING A BUDGET AND I MOST OF MINE ARE THEORETICAL. WOULD YOU SAY THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT THEORETICAL. THEY'RE PHILOSOPHICAL ISSUES. I HAVE JUST IN GENERAL, I YES, I WOULD SAY THE ONES THAT ARE RE ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION OR PHILOSOPHICAL IN NATURE. THE OTHER ONES ARE JUST REMOVE, DELETE, REMOVE, DELETE. YEAH. I MEAN I GOT I'D REMOVE, I DELETE THIS, I DO THIS, I DO THAT BUT I DON'T WANT TO OVERPOWER IT. SO I'M GIVEN. OKAY. I CAN READ THROUGH MY SIX PAGES IF EVERYBODY PROMISES NOT TO SAY HE'S WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, AND DISAGREE. IF IT'S LIKE THAT'S A CONVERSATION. WE CAN'T DISAGREE. YOU DON'T LIKE DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT ANYMORE? NO I DO. I JUST LIKE DOING IT AT TWO IN THE MORNING. I DON'T LIKE DOING IT AT EIGHT. IT'S A LITTLE EARLY FOR THIS. TOO EARLY. YOU WANT US SO TIRED THAT WE WON'T ARGUE BACK? SO HERE, I'LL GIVE A COUPLE. HERE'S A COUPLE. PHILOSOPHICAL. I DON'T LIKE THE CHANGE OF TRAVEL BECAUSE I CAN'T TELL WHICH SEMINARS WE'RE GOING TO. AND I DON'T LIKE ALL THE SEMINARS WE'RE GOING TO. I THINK WE OUGHT TO REALLY DIG IN AND FIGURE OUT WHICH SEMINARS ACTUALLY HELP. THE STAFF REALLY NEEDS TO ASK THEMSELVES, HOW DOES THIS HELP ME DO MY JOB? OR IS IT I'M JUST HERE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE INDUSTRY, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN REAL ESTATE FOR 18 YEARS. I DO NOT GO TO TRAINING EVERY YEAR BECAUSE IT'S CHANGED. IF I'M IN THE CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION AND I'M IN ENGINEERING, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ONGOING TRAINING THAT GOES THERE. BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF FIELDS THAT YOU CAN GO TO SEMINARS AND ALL. YOU COME OUT OF SEMINARS IF YOU GUYS ARE HONEST, RIGHT, IS YOU COME BACK FROM A SEMINAR WITH THERE'S NEW GADGETS, THERE'S NEW PROGRAMS, THERE'S NEW IDEAS AND ALL IT DOES IS COST MONEY. BUT THE PEOPLE PUTTING THAT STUFF ON. ONLY GET PAID IF YOU ADOPT IT. SO THAT'S AGAIN A PHILOSOPHICAL THING. BUDGETED RAISES, I COULDN'T TELL. SOME OF THEM LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE MORE THAN TWO AND A HALF, SOME. I HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH EVERY SINGLE LINE ITEM TO ADD THEM UP, SO I'M STILL GOING TO DO THAT. I HAVE WHAT IS OUR FOCUS OF THE CITY? I'M HOPING IT'S TRANSPORTATION. AND SO WHEN WHEN I SAW A LOT OF YOUR REDLINE STUFF, I WAS LIKE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GETTING A FOCUS HERE BECAUSE THE FOCUS HAS GOT TO BE WHETHER PEOPLE LIKE OR NOT, IN MY OPINION, POLICE. AND THERE'S GOT TO BE PARKS AND PUBLIC WORKS, AND THEN IT'S GOT TO BE LIBRARY AND OTHER [01:50:01] THINGS. SO IF PARKS IS ASKING FOR A WHOLE BUNCH OF EXTRA STUFF YOU'RE TAKING AWAY FROM THE POLICE BUILDING AND WE CAN DO THAT, BUT THEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN A TRAILER LONGER. AND SO WE GOT TO FOCUS HERE AS A CITY ON BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE RAISING TAXES ANYTIME SOON. SO WE GOT TO FOCUS. THEN I HAD TWO MORE FUEL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE FUEL NUMBER, BUT SOME DEPARTMENTS HAVE A LOT OF FUEL BUDGETED. AND I'M THINKING AT 20 SOMETHING MILES TO THE GALLON, HOW DO YOU USE THAT MANY GALLONS OF FUEL? BUT THERE'S A THING. TODAY I SAW ON A CHECK REGISTER, SOMEONE DROVE TO TAYLOR TO GET $7.50 IN KEYS MADE, AND I'M LIKE 30 MINUTES THERE, 30 MINUTES BACK. THE MILEAGE, WE COULDN'T GO DOWN TO LOWE'S AND GET THE KEYS MADE. SO AGAIN, TO ME IT'S THE FOCUS. WHAT IS THE MOST ECONOMIC, TIME EFFICIENT WAY TO GET SOMETHING DONE? AND IF IT'S DRIVING A TAILOR TO BUY BUNGEE CORDS, I THINK WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. IF IT'S LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I CAN ORDER THOSE BUNGEE CORDS FROM AMAZON. THEY'LL BE SHIPPED HERE LATER TODAY OR TOMORROW. THAT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY. THEN WHATEVER YOUR BUNGEE CORDING WEIGHT. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF TRIPS GOING AROUND AND THEN VEHICLES. YOU BROUGHT IT UP, AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE ANY VEHICLES GET CUT. BUT IF IT WAS ME, I'D JUST MAKE EVERYBODY MAD? YOU GET A VEHICLE BECAUSE IT WAS IN YOUR CONTRACT. NOBODY ELSE DOES. AND SO THAT'S JUST A THING FOR ME. PEOPLE AROUND HERE DRIVE NICER VEHICLES THAN THE PUBLIC DOES. AND I THINK WE GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT. I CAME FROM A FAMILY WHERE ALL MY FAMILY RETIRED FROM THE GOVERNMENT, AND SO THEY HAD A COFFEY CLUB. THEY HAD TO BUY THEIR OWN COFFEE POTS, THEY HAD TO BUY THEIR OWN MICROWAVES. AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE DO THAT, BUT I AM SUGGESTING WE HAVE TO THINK REALLY HARD IF WE'RE IF WE'RE BUYING $80 A WEEK IN SNACKS FOR THE EXECUTIVE CONFERENCE ROOM, WHO'S EATING $80 A WEEK IN SNACKS BECAUSE IT'S $4,000 BUDGETED AND PUT OUT THE CHEAP CRACKERS. AND WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE COME IN A CONSULTANT, YOU'RE ALREADY PAYING $400 AN HOUR. THEY CAN EAT THE CHEAP CRACKERS. BUT ALL THESE THINGS, WHEN I ADD THEM ALL UP, I JUST LOOK AND I GO, NONE OF THIS IS GOING TO CREATE $1 MILLION ALL OF A SUDDEN SAVINGS. BUT TO ME IT'S A FOCUS OF, ARE WE DOING THIS STUFF FOR THE TAXPAYER? BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE IN OUR OFFICES, YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE YOU'RE A LOT OF YOU YOUR TECH. FOR THOSE OF US THAT ARE NOT IN TECH, NO ONE BUYS US SNACKS, NO ONE BUYS US ANYTHING. WE HAVE TO BUY EVERYTHING OURSELVES AND IT'S JUST LIFE. SO THAT'S MY BIG COMMENTS THAT WENT OVER SIX PAGES, JUST DIFFERENT THINGS. THERE'S OTHER STRUCTURAL CHANGES I'D MAKE, BUT AGAIN, IT'S MORE OF A CHANGE AND I GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING TO GO OVER EACH WEEK FOR AN HOUR. AND SO I GOT SIX HOURS OF DEBATES. BUT OKAY, WELL, I GUESS WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL JUST GO THROUGH MY QUESTIONS BY DEPARTMENT, BY DEPARTMENT, IF NO ONE ELSE HAS, IF ANYONE ELSE HAS A QUESTION WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT AND YOU WANT TO STOP ME AND YOU WANT TO ASK A QUESTION, FEEL FREE. OTHERWISE I'LL JUST GO THROUGH MINE. AND THEN I GUESS WHOEVER WANTS TO PARTICIPATE CAN PARTICIPATE. SO THE OTHER QUESTION, I FOUND ANOTHER ONE. SO THE EFFECTIVE LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT TRAINING, IT WAS $14,000 LAST YEAR. IT'S ZEROED OUT. ARE YOU JUST NOT DOING THAT THIS YEAR? WAS THAT A ONE YEAR THING? YOU DIDN'T NEED TO DO IT OR SO WHAT WAS. SO LAST YEAR THERE WAS A THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THE EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT. IT WAS ACTUALLY $45,000, BUT IT WAS SPREAD AMONGST MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS. RIGHT. SO THE PEOPLE WHO WERE IN MY BUDGET WERE IN THE CITY MANAGER BUDGET. SO THIS YEAR I CUT THAT TRAINING BACK BY 30% AND PUT IT ALL IN THE CITY MANAGER BUDGET. SO IT'S ALL IN ONE PLACE. THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS LAST YEAR. SO I REDUCED THE THE TRAINING FOR THE THE TEN PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THAT PROGRAM. I REDUCED THE TRAINING BACK AND THEN I JUST PUT IT ALL IN ONE PLACE. OKAY. BECAUSE LIKE THE THE EFFECTIVE LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT WAS ZEROED OUT. SO THERE'S NOTHING THERE THERE. ARE YOU NOT DOING THAT ONE? I THINK THERE'S A NEW LINE ITEM. IT'S A DIFFERENT LINE ITEM. IS THAT WHY IT SHOULD BE UNDER THE SAME CATEGORY THOUGH? SO YOU'RE STILL DOING SOME TRAINING. IT'S JUST IT'S JUST LESS AND YOU'VE KIND OF SHIFT THINGS AROUND. THAT'S RIGHT. IT WENT FROM 45,000. I CUT IT BACK TO 32,000. AND THAT'S FOR TEN PEOPLE FOR THE YEAR. SO. OKAY. 45 35 TO 32. IT'S NOW QUARTERLY EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S WHAT IT IS IN THE IN THE BUDGET. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAD ON CITY MANAGER. GOOD TO MOVE ON. OKAY. UNDER CITY COUNCIL. SO THE 150TH CELEBRATION, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE BIG CELEBRATION THAT WE'RE DOING NEXT YEAR, NEXT MAY, TO CELEBRATE THE THE 150TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE FOUNDING OF HUTTO. NOT THE INCORPORATION. IT'S ONLY 300 BUCKS. YEAH. SO WHAT? COUNCIL HAD NEVER GIVEN DIRECTION TO FUND THAT? I PUT A $300 IN THERE SO IT WOULD TRIGGER Y'ALL TO SEE IT AND MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. OKAY, THAT SEEMS REALLY LOW TO ME. WELL, I DON'T DISAGREE, BUT THAT'S Y'ALL NEED TO DECIDE WHAT YOU'RE [01:55:02] GOING TO DO. THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO OKAY. SO THOUGHTS FROM THE REST OF COUNCIL DO WE DO A CELEBRATION NEXT YEAR, OR DO WE WANT TO TRY TO FUND THIS THROUGH A PRIVATE GROUP? DOES THE HIPPO FOUNDATION WANT TO PUT IT ON? AND I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, THE DOWNTOWN DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. DO THEY WANT TO DO IT? DO WE WANT THEM PARTNERING WITH THE CHAMBER? AND MAYBE I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO GET AS MUCH SPONSORSHIP AS WE CAN. I THINK ALSO WE DID EARLIER TONIGHT IDENTIFY $100,000 SPENT FROM THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FUND THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO SPEND FROM THAT FUND. AND SO I THINK THERE'S $100,000 AVAILABLE THERE. YEAH. SO AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO $100,000, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING I DIDN'T THINK Y'ALL WANTED TO SPEND IT ON THAT TYPE OF THING THOUGH. HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. I THINK IT'S A MAJOR MILESTONE. I HAVEN'T BEEN PART OF A FOUNDING CELEBRATION, BUT I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TOO, BECAUSE THERE'S A YEAR LAG. I THINK IF THE CITY HE JUST FIGURED OUT A WAY TO SIMPLIFY THE APPLICATION PROCESS. YOUR INVOLVEMENT BY OTHER GROUPS WOULD BE SO EXTENSIVE, AND BUSINESSES GETTING INVOLVED TO BE PART OF IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU GUYS THINK IT TAKES, BUT I KNOW THAT ABOUT FIVE. THAT'S WHY I WAS A LITTLE WEIRD ABOUT THE ART. THE ART DEAL WAS 5 TO $10,000. YOU CAN PUT ON A PRETTY GOOD DEAL. YOU START TALKING $60,000. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DO. SO WE GOT A LASER LIGHT SHOW AND FIREWORKS. I MEAN, I DON'T MIND PUTTING SOME MONEY THERE AND THEN, BUT THE FOCUS OF THE CITY IS NOT TO SPEND THE MONEY. THE FOCUS OF THE CITY IS YOU GUYS FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WHERE AN EVENT APPLICATION CAN BE HAD IN UNDER TWO MONTHS. AND THEN I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO GET ALL THE DIFFERENT GROUPS, BECAUSE IF IT'S ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, I DON'T KNOW THAT. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CITY, HOW WOULD YOU GUYS PUT THAT ON YOUR OWN? BUT I THINK IT'S THE GROUPS COME TOGETHER AND THEY EACH NEED TO PARTAKE ALMOST LIKE A, I WOULD IMAGINE, ENVISION ALMOST LIKE A LIKE A BIG NATIONAL NIGHT OUT TYPE THING WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE, DIFFERENT GROUPS ARE DOING DIFFERENT THINGS, SHOWCASING WHAT HUDDLE MEANS TO THEM, WHAT IT HAS MEANT TO THEM SORT OF THING. BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT, I THINK SOMEBODY HAS TO COME DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SAY, LET'S BLOW OFF SOME FIREWORKS, LET'S HAVE SOME FOOD TRUCKS AND CALL IT A DAY. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SIT BACK AND THEN CRITICIZE. WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THIS? WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT? AND YOU SHOULD INCLUDE THIS GROUP. AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A COMMITTEE, RIGHT? AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'VE EVER BEEN FORMALLY FORMED OR ANOTHER MEETING BECAUSE I GOT A CALL TODAY ABOUT 300 BUCKS, AND I WAS LIKE, TOO MUCH. WE CAN CUT IT. DOES IT SEEM PRUDENT? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE COMMITTEE, BUT DOES IT SEEM ARE THEY MEETING? I WAS OUT OKAY. NO, NO, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE MEETING, BUT I DID GET A CALL FROM THEM. OKAY, SO. SO WHAT IF WE PUT A PLACEHOLDER? WHAT IF WE PUT, I DON'T KNOW, 20 GRAND, 25 GRAND. AND THEN IS THAT. IS EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? AND THEN WE'LL SEE. NO. I MEAN, IS IT PRUDENT TO LOOK AT WHAT OTHER CITIES OR OTHER EVENTS HAVE DONE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON HISTORICAL INFORMATION AND MARKET CONDITIONS, THAT WHAT HAS BEEN PUT ON? I MEAN, YEAH, WE COULD DO THAT, BUT BUT FRANKLY, THE ANSWER IS GOING TO BE YOU CAN YOU CAN LITERALLY FIND CITIES THAT ARE SPENDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON EVENTS, AND YOU CAN FIND CITIES THAT ARE DOING THAT ARE DOING EVENTS THAT ARE FIVE GRAND. SO IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT I THINK THE VISION ENDS UP BEING. AND THEN YOU SET YOU SET AN OVERALL VISION FOR THE EVENT. AND THEN YOU SET A BUDGET. AND THEN YOU START FIGURING OUT HOW TO HOW TO GET THOSE NEEDS MET. WELL, I WOULD THINK OF SOMEONE WITH A $100,000 BUDGET. COULD BE THERE WOULD BE MODULES OF IT. IT COULD BE. IT COULD BE INTO SIX CATEGORIES OF WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE EQUALLY DISPERSED. BUT WE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE IF WE KNOW WHAT SIX CATEGORIES HAVE WORKED IN THE PAST ROUND ROCK CELEBRATION, OR MAYBE SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A FIVE COUNTY AREA OR SOMETHING, OR MAYBE EVEN OUTSIDE OF THAT. SO BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT. WHAT DO PEOPLE DO? I'M NOT SAYING SET $100,000 BUDGET AND THEN JUST IMPLEMENT WHAT SOMEONE ELSE HAS DONE. JUST SAY LIKE $10,000 BUDGET OR WELL, AGAIN, WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DO WE HAVE A LASER LIGHT SHOW HERE. I CAN GIVE YOU AN I CAN GIVE YOU AN IDEA. SO COKE FEST. DO YOU REMEMBER COKE FEST WHEN WE HAD COKE FEST HERE? YEAH, THAT THAT WE CONTRIBUTED $250,000 A YEAR TOWARD 250 TOWARD. AND THE BUDGET FOR THAT WAS CLOSER TO $1 MILLION. THAT WAS COKE FEST. IF YOU LOOK AT JULY 4TH, WHICH THE MAYOR SAID, YOU SPEND MONEY POPPING OFF FIREWORKS, BLOWING IT UP IN THE AIR, THAT'S ABOUT A $50,000 EVENT THE JULY 4TH. SO YOU HAVE THE FESTIVALS, YOU HAVE SOME SINGERS, YOU KNOW, SOME ENTERTAINMENT THROUGHOUT THE DAY. YOU GOT THE RENTALS FOR THE DIFFERENT TENTS AND STUFF, AND THEN YOU GOT THE FIREWORKS SHOW THAT'S LIKE THOUSAND DOLLARS. IF YOU WANTED TO BRING IN LIKE A COUNTRY SINGER AND PUT ON A CONCERT, [02:00:02] YOU'RE PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 150 TO $200,000 IF IT'S A NAME THAT PEOPLE RECOGNIZE. IF YOU DO LIKE OLD TIMES DAYS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO LIKE A 80,000, 50 TO $80,000 OVERALL EXPENSE, YOU HAVE REVENUE THAT YOU GENERATE TOO. SO THERE'S THERE'S REVENUE ON THE OTHER SIDE. THOSE ARE I MEAN, LIKE OUR, OUR SANTA CLAUS CRAWL. THAT'S LIKE $8,000. CLAUS THE HIPPO. THANK YOU. THE HIPPO CLAUS CRAWL. OH. I'D LOVE THAT MOTION. YEAH. SO, OUR $50,000 ALREADY SPENT FOR THE FIREWORKS? WE'VE ALREADY SPENT THAT. CORRECT. I HAVE SOME INFORMATION. SO YOU PASSED THE RESOLUTION. YOU APPOINTED THE COMMITTEE. THERE'S 20 MEMBERS. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE THE FUNDING AND AND RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. SO WASN'T THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMITTEE TO DO ALL THIS? YEAH. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW THAT. HAVE WE NAMED PEOPLE TO THE COMMITTEE? I MEAN, I THINK WE HAD PEOPLE WHO KIND OF VOLUNTEERED AND SAID, I'M WILLING, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVER FORMED IT. YOU PASSED THE RESOLUTION TO ESTABLISH THE COMMITTEE, BUT NO APPOINTMENTS WERE EVER MADE. SHALL BE APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL FROM THE FOLLOWING BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. OKAY. THE FIRST CITY INCLUSION. HISTORICAL LIBRARY BOARD AND PARK BOARD. OKAY, WE SHOULD DO THAT. THE RESOLUTION SAYS 20 AND THEN TWO FROM EACH ONE OF THOSE BOARDS. YEAH. OKAY. WHAT MONTH WAS THE FOUNDING? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? WELL, SO HISTORY. THE NATIONAL HISTORY MONTH OR STATE HISTORY MONTH, WHATEVER IS MAY. I THINK THAT WAS THE MONTH THAT WAS GOING TO BE TARGETED. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS A SPECIFIC DATE. THAT'S A BIG THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG DIFFERENCE ON COSTS. SO WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? JUST LEAVE THIS ALONE FOR NOW AND THEN HAVE THEM COME BACK. AND THEN I MIGHT POINT OUT THAT MONEY THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE, I MIGHT POINT OUT NEXT YEAR, IS ALSO THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE UNITED STATES. WHAT DAY ARE THEY CELEBRATING THAT? PROBABLY JULY 4TH. SO YOU'RE SAYING MORE? WHO'S DOING IT? THERE'S NO TELLING TRUMP'S BIRTHDAY. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S THERE'S A WHOLE VARIETY OF THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN. I WOULD ASSUME JULY 4TH, BUT OKAY. SO DOES ANYONE WANT TO DO ANYTHING HERE? I MEAN, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO JUST ASK TO TO PUT 20 TO 25,000 IN THERE, AND THEN AT LEAST WE GOT A PLACEHOLDER. AND THEN IF THE COMMITTEE COMES AND SAYS, NAH, WE CAN DO THIS FOR FIVE, WE DO THIS FOR TEN, THEN WE'RE GOOD. FOR ME, I DON'T KNOW. WE HAVE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES RIGHT NOW. I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S I LIKE TO CUT OUR USE OF HOT FUNDS IS ALMOST LIKE AN OPEN CHECKBOOK. SO I'D LIKE TO STOP ALL THAT AND USE HOT FUNDS FOR SPECIFIC THINGS, BUT I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY. OH, YEAH. FUND THIS THROUGH SAYS. YEAH. YOU GUYS DID SOMETHING. ENOUGH TO PUT PEOPLE TO USE HOTELS THAT WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND USE THAT. SO FOR ME, I'M NOT IN A HURRY NECESSARILY. HERE'S WHAT I'M AFRAID. IF WE PUT 25,000, SOMEONE'S GOING TO COME UP AND SAY, I GOT A PLAN, BUT I NEED 35,000. AND SO I'D RATHER STICK WITH 300. AND YOU GUYS GOT TO FIGURE IT OUT, AND THEN WE JUST GIVE OUT SOME MONEY IF WE NEED TO, OKAY. BUT I DON'T WANT TO SHORTCHANGE THE EVENT EITHER. OKAY. AND THEN I HAD A QUESTION ON THE $10,000 FOR DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. SO WE'RE WE'RE PAYING FOR THEIR SECURITY. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? I PUT IN THE $10,000 THAT GRACIE REQUESTED OF COUNCIL TO HAVE $10,000 TO OFFSET THE EXPENSE FOR THEIR SECURITY FOR THE EVENTS THAT THEY WERE. THEY'LL STILL HIRE THE SECURITY. AND THEN WE'RE JUST GOING TO HELP OFFSET THAT. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I PUT IN YOUR IN YOUR BUDGET. IF Y'ALL WANT WANT TO DO IT OR NOT, THAT'S UP TO YOU. YEAH. OTHER THAN THAT, DO THAT IN THAT MANNER. BUT OKAY. SO OKAY. SO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. SO I SEE WHAT I THINK IS A DUPLICATE ENTRY FOR THE DB TRAINING. SO THERE'S ONE UNDER CONTRACTUAL SERVICES AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE UNDER OTHER MISCELLANEOUS EXPENSES. AND THEY'RE BOTH 17 GRAND. AM I READING THAT RIGHT? 17. FIVE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WHERE DO YOU SEE IT AGAIN? I HAVE CONTRACTUAL SERVICES. WHERE YOU HAVE SERVICES, AND THERE'S A LINE ITEM DB REQUEST. THE ONE UNDER D, D AND I TRAINING 6502. IT'S ZERO. IT HAS THE AMOUNT, BUT THE QUANTITY IS ZERO ZEROED OUT. OKAY. SO I WAS LOOKING JUST AT THE WRONG COLUMN. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, I WAS I WAS THINKING IT WAS WE HAD 17 GRAND. YEAH. SO FOR FOR Y'ALL TO UNDERSTAND WHENEVER YOU'RE LOOKING IN CLEAR GOV, [02:05:02] IF SOMETHING WAS REQUESTED AND I ELECTED NOT TO FUND IT, THEN THE QUANTITY IS CHANGED TO ZERO, BUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS STILL THERE. SO THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE REQUEST WAS AND THE FACT THAT I SAID NO AT MY REVIEW OR IF IT'S LIKE I FUNDED HALF OF IT, THEN IT WOULD BE QUANTITY 0.5 OKAY. OKAY. NO THAT'S GOOD. I JUST I JUST THOUGHT THAT I HAD SEEN IT WAS DOUBLED OKAY. AND SO AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD THAT I JUST WANTED TO HAVE COUNCIL THINK ABOUT IS WE DID FUND 17 GRAND FOR DEIB, BUT THEN ALL OF THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HAVE FIVE GRAND THAT THEY NEED TO SHARE. THAT JUST DIDN'T SEEM SMART ALECK EQUITABLE TO ME. AND SO I JUST, I JUST THAT JUST SEEMED OFF TO ME THAT WE WOULD GIVE ONE BOARD 17 GRAND AND ALL THE OTHER BOARDS HAVE TO SHARE FIVE. THAT'S SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ASKED FOR IT. SO I PUT IT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. NO OTHER BOARD SUBMITTED ANY REQUESTS. THEY HAD AN AWESOME PRESENTATION AND JUSTIFICATION FOR SUCH. SO, IS ANY OF THE DEIB REQUESTS PART OF TRAINING THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS? I THINK ONE LITTLE PIECE OF IT IS SOME OF IT'S THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A LONG LIST OF ITEMS THAT THEY WERE ASKING TO, TO HAVE FUNDED. I KNOW THIS PAST YEAR, PART OF THAT WAS THE CONSULTANT WORKING WITH CITY STAFF AS WELL. RIGHT. IT WASN'T. YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S TRUE THAT THAT IS A PART THAT IS A PART OF THEIR BUDGET. THAT'S TRUE. AND AND HONESTLY, I MEAN, IN THE FUTURE, THERE PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE LIKE A PROCESS THAT COUNCIL HAS AHEAD OF BUDGET TO ALLOW THE BOARDS TO ASK FOR MONEY AND Y'ALL DECIDE, RATHER THAN ME JUST THROWING IT IN THERE AND FIGURING OUT HOW TO PAY FOR IT. AND THEN Y'ALL DECIDE NOW WHETHER YOU WANT TO KEEP IT OR NOT. OKAY, SO SO MAYBE THE MESSAGE IS FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. FOLLOW DEBBIE'S LEAD. DO WHAT THEY DID. IF YOU WANT MONEY, YOU NEED TO ASK FOR IT WELL AHEAD OF TIME. YES, SOME OF THEM HAVE IT LIKE PNC HAS TRAINING FUNDS. IT'S IN IT'S IN PLANNING. IT'S NOT IN THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET AND PARKS ASKED. THEY CAME UP. PARKS CAME UP AND ASKED TO USE THE MONEY. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DOING IS ASKING TO USE THE MONEY THAT WAS SET ASIDE FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, FOR, I THINK THE THIRD YEAR IN A ROW, WE HAVE $0 SET ASIDE FOR COUNCIL DEVELOPMENT. AND SO WE DO HAVE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS ON, ON BOARD THAT WE USED TO SET ASIDE TRAINING MONEY FOR, FOR DEVELOPMENT OF COUNCIL AND FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, LEARN OUR POSITIONS. BUT JUST, JUST THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME. BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FUND IT, THEN WE DON'T FUND IT. THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE REGISTRATION. THAT'S ZERO. IS THAT. IS THAT FOR THE ANNUAL CONFERENCE? THE CONFERENCE? YEAH. WE HAVEN'T GONE TO THAT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. SO THAT WAS THE CONFERENCE. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO ALSO HIGHLIGHT CONTRIBUTION TO CIVIC PROGRAMS. WE HAD ORIGINALLY DESIGNATED THE 193,000 BASED ON A 39 CENT TAX RATE. BUT NOW THAT THE NEW REVENUE IS $0.38, THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THAT. SO WE MAY NEED TO REVISIT THAT. I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT YOU DON'T YOU DON'T HAVE TO. RIGHT. I THINK WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION MAYBE A YEAR AGO OR SO OR TWO WHERE Y'ALL Y'ALL BY POLICY, SET ASIDE 1% OF THE GENERAL FUND REVENUE, RIGHT? BY POLICY, YOU DO THAT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT YOU YOU CAN'T EXCEED THE 1%. SO WE PROJECTED THE 1% AT THE HIGHER TAX RATE. AND NOW THAT THE TAX RATE IS LOWER, THE 1% WOULD TECHNICALLY BE LESS THAN WHAT ALL OF THIS ADDS UP TO. BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT Y'ALL CAN'T DO THAT. OKAY. I THINK OUR POLICY ACTUALLY SAYS UP TO 1%. OH, I THOUGHT WE DEBATED THIS AND DECIDED THAT Y'ALL COULD EXCEED IT EITHER WAY. WELL, YOU COULD DO ANYTHING. YOU JUST CHANGE YOUR POLICY, RIGHT? YEAH. FAIR, FAIR. I THINK I'VE NEVER BEEN A PROPONENT OF GIVING MONEY AWAY TO NONPROFITS. THE WHOLE POINT OF NONPROFITS IS TO LESSEN THE BURDEN. SO, ALBERTA, HOW MUCH WOULD THEY NEED TO REDUCE THIS OVERALL BY. IT'S NOT A BIG DIFFERENCE. WE CALCULATED TO BE LIKE $268 DIFFERENCE. OH THAT'S IT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE MONEY REALLOCATED TO ME, I WOULD DO IT IN THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY BECAUSE IT'S NEW. THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY OPERATING IN HUTTO. AND WHILE IT IS AN EXPENSE REIMBURSEMENT WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE ORGANIZATION THAT DOES A LOT OF THEIR WORK, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD BE DOING, BUT IT. THAT'S ACTUALLY THE ONE THAT I WOULD HAVE SUGGESTED. BECAUSE MOST OF THE OTHER ONES ARE THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT'S KIND OF PROJECT BASED WHERE IF THEY DON'T GET THE THEY NEED TO GET THE MONEY, [02:10:03] AND THAT ONE IS THEY'LL SPEND ALL THE MONEY THAT THEY GET. AND SO IF THEY GET A LITTLE LESS, THEY JUST SPEND A LITTLE LESS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT THING. SO I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE. AND WITH IT BEING SUCH A SMALL AMOUNT, I DON'T I DON'T MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. AND I WAS EVEN THINKING THAT MONEY GO TO THE AMERICAN LEGION. THE AMERICAN LEGION HANDLES THE ASBESTOS REMOVAL BECAUSE THE CITY IS GOING TO PAY FOR THAT. BUT THE ONLY REASON THE CITY IS PAYING FOR IT IS TO BENEFIT A NONPROFIT. BUT IT'S ONLY 37 GRAND. SO DO YOU WANT TO REDUCE THAT BY $268? SO WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE 1%. I WAS THINKING 37,500. OH, I SEE, I'M I'M GOOD TO NOT TOUCH IT. WE'LL JUST HANDLE IT LATER. AND SAINT MARY CONTRACTUAL SERVICES. IT SAYS CAPE COD CLEAN AIR WAS 33. 53. AND THAT'S BEEN ZEROED OUT. I THINK THAT GOT MOVED TO SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO DIDN'T IT OR. NO. IT'S DOWN FURTHER. THERE'S A THERE'S A CAPE COD AIR QUALITY. AIR QUALITY 4264. SO ARE THOSE THE SAME? THAT'S JUST A JUST A THERE'S THERE'S CAP COG AND THEN THERE'S CAP COG AIR QUALITY. THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. I AGREE. YEP. SO ON THE ONE IT WAS JUST CONSOLIDATED. IT WAS MOVED DOWN WITH EVERYTHING ELSE WITH THE ENCORE AND THE ATMOS. IT WAS JUST MOVED. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THERE'S A LINE ITEM FOR 200,000 FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. WHAT'S THAT? I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE NOTES THAT COUNCIL OR WE MOVED TO HE'S STILL IN COUNCIL. CITY COUNCIL. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO IT'S OUR CONTRIBUTION TO. TSK. YES, YES. IT'S THE IT'S IN THE NOTES. IT SAYS ANNUAL TSK PAYMENT, THE BASE PAYMENT OF 125 PLUS THE 75 REPAYMENT TO CATCH US BACK UP. ALL RIGHT, I MISSED THAT. IT SAYS THIS IS THE FINAL $75,000 REPAYMENT. SO BEGINNING NEXT YEAR, FISCAL YEAR 27, THE PAYMENT WILL BE REDUCED TO 125,000. GOT IT. THANK YOU. WE WOULD HAVE PAID IT WHEN WE SEE ALL THIS IS IN THERE. IF YOU CLICK ON THE ITEM AND READ THE NOTES, WELL, I DON'T HAVE A HALF HOUR TO GET TO THAT. DOES THAT DOES ANYTHING CHANGE WITH THE KIND OF DISSOLUTION, THE DISSOLVING OF THE SIKH TEMPLE COLLEGE CORPORATION? IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT CHANGES OUR COMMITMENT OR NOT. OKAY. THAT'D BE A A LEGAL QUESTION. I'LL TEE UP FOR DOTTIE. I'D BE INTERESTED TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THEY WE ALL WENT TO A GROUNDBREAKING, AND THEN TWO WEEKS LATER THEY DISSOLVED OR STARTED THE THE DISSOLUTION OF THEIR PARTNERSHIP. AND THEN THEY WENT AROUND AND BOUGHT A WHOLE BUNCH OF LAND. MY MUTE BUTTON DOESN'T WORK. I'M SORRY. SOMEWHAT PRIME RETAIL LAND THAT THEY BOUGHT A LONG, LIMBER LOOP AND KIND OF THROW ME FOR A LOOP ON HOW THEY NEED MONEY FROM US SO THEY CAN GO BUY MORE LAND. OKAY, THAT'S ALL I HAD UNDER CITY COUNCIL. GOOD TO MOVE ON. HUMAN RESOURCES. SO REALLY, THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAD ON THERE IS I NOTICED ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS IN, IN READ IN THE CITY MANAGER'S PRESENTATION WAS THAT THEY HAD ASKED FOR AN HR ASSISTANT BUT WASN'T FUNDED. SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK HR AND WHAT THAT DOES TO YOUR DEPARTMENT. ARE YOU STILL GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO THIS YEAR WITHOUT THAT ASSISTANT. LIKE, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO YOU? GOOD EVENING. IRENE. HR DIRECTOR. DUE TO THE HIGH DEMANDS THAT WE'RE GETTING, INCLUDING OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS WE PLANNED ON HAVING A DEDICATED INDIVIDUAL OR PERSON TO DO THAT, AND THE OTHER PROCESSES THAT ARE NON-NEGOTIABLE DEADLINES THAT WE HAVE. SIR, YOU ASK IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FUNDED, HOW WE'RE GOING TO OPERATE. WELL, BEEN BEEN WORKING FOR A GOVERNMENT FOR OVER 30 YEARS. WE WILL JUST HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MEET ALL THE DEADLINES. IT'S CHALLENGING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE GROWING AND THE NUMBER OF COMMUNICATIONS, WE HAVE INCREASED MORE THAN 100% THIS YEAR. SO WE'RE TRYING TO CATCH UP. AND JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, WE HAD A GRIEVANCE HEARING AND THAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, INCREASED ALL THE REQUESTS FOR PIERS. AND I'M NOT HOPING THAT WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER GRIEVANCE OR HEARING THIS COMING YEAR. BUT WHAT IF WE DO? THAT WILL PROBABLY INCREASE EVEN MORE. OKAY, SO THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE EFFECT IS IT'LL JUST TAKE A LOT LONGER TO GET BACK TO CITIZENS WITH THEIR PR REQUESTS POSSIBLY. AND ACTUALLY INTERNAL. ALSO INTERNALLY TOO. YES, SIR. OKAY, SO YOU GUYS HANDLE ALL OUR REQUESTS OR JUST DOES ANYTHING RELATED TO HUMAN RESOURCES [02:15:04] AND EVEN REQUESTS COMING FROM THE PUBLIC, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, A CITIZEN WILL REQUEST. WELL, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW MANY EMPLOYEES YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, OR EVERY EMPLOYEE, HOW MUCH DO THEY MAKE, WHAT KIND OF BENEFITS DO THEY GET? SO THOSE ARE JUST EXAMPLES THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE GET I ACTUALLY COUNTED I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THE NUMBER OF EMAILS THAT'S WHERE I'M GETTING THAT. THAT'S WHY I SAID IT'S MORE THAN 100% INCREASE. AND THAT'S ONLY THE PEERS I'M TALKING ABOUT IN THE COMMUNICATION. BECAUSE IN ONE REQUEST, SOMETIMES THERE ARE ABOUT 20 SOMETHING EMAILS GOING BACK AND FORTH THAT'S ONLY FOR ONE PEER REQUEST. SO DO YOU GET A LOT OF REQUESTS IN THE PUBLIC IN TERMS OF FTE SALARIES, ALL THAT STUFF? I DON'T SAY I'M NOT. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY A LOT, BUT ENOUGH SO I CAN GO BACK TO COUNT. NO. IT'S OKAY. AND, AND THE REASON WHY I WOULD I SHARE THAT WITH YOU, THE COMMUNICATIONS. BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT TAKES TIME. WHEN WE RESPOND, LET'S SAY TO LEGAL OR WITHIN, YOU KNOW, AMONGST OURSELVES, WITHIN, OR IF WE REQUEST, YOU KNOW, IF WE RECEIVE A REQUEST AND WE HAVE TO WORK WITH FINANCE OR ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT, THAT TAKES TIME FOR THE HR TEAM MEMBERS AND THAT COUNTS BECAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TIME IS TICKING. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS. I WAS TALKING TO COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD ABOUT THIS. I SAW CITY. SO OUR BUDGET HAS YOUR GUYS'S NAMES AND POSITION TITLES, AND IT HAS PICTURES. IT'S ALREADY I MEAN, IT'S IN THE BUDGET. AND SO WHAT I SAW ANOTHER CITY DO IS THEY HAD THE NAME, THEY HAD THE HIRE DATE, THEY HAD THE THE SEX, THE SALARY. ALL IS PART OF THE BUDGET AND IT'S ALL PUBLIC RECORD. I MEAN, THERE'S LIKE WEBSITES, YOU JUST GO IN AND TYPE PEOPLE'S NAMES IN AND ALL THE INFORMATION COMES UP. AND I THOUGHT HOW MUCH IT'S INTERESTING YOU BRING THIS UP BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING HOW MANY TIMES PEOPLE ARE WONDERING THAT AND IF THE INFORMATION IS ALREADY THERE. WHAT STOPS US FROM JUST DOING WHAT SOME OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE IS JUST PUT THE INFORMATION OUT THERE. INSTEAD OF A PERSON HAVING TO GO TO THREE DIFFERENT WEBSITES, ANYTHING TO TRY TO MAKE THE JOB EASIER TO WHERE YOU DO IT ONCE, THEN DONE. BUT YEAH, IT'S IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR CHARTS, YOU HAVE YOUR DEPARTMENT, THEN YOU HAVE YOUR CHARTS, AND YOU SEE, I KNOW WHO HR MANAGER IS. I DON'T KNOW THE NAME, AND I DON'T THINK NAMES ARE IMPORTANT IN A BUDGET, BUT I KNOW WHO HR GENERALIST IS. AND SO THEN I'M KIND OF LIKE, WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST PUT ALL THAT INFORMATION AND TRAIN PEOPLE OVER TIME TO WHERE WE'RE SENDING LINKS TO? HERE'S THE LINK TO THE INFORMATION YOU REQUESTED. BECAUSE WHEN YOU ASK FOR TEXDOT, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. THEY GIVE YOU THE LINK TO THE INFORMATION. AND LIKE, THE MORE WE CAN PROVIDE. PORTOFINO AND I WERE TALKING, HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE SPENDING ON PR REQUESTS AND HOW MUCH MONEY CAN WE SPEND JUST THROWING EVERYTHING OUT IN THAT SECURED WAY? WE WERE TALKING TO WHERE PEOPLE GET ALL THE INFORMATION THEY WANT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T STOP THE THE INTERNAL ISSUE WHERE SOMEONE HAS A GRIEVANCE AND WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT SOMEONE SAID ABOUT THEM OR WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING TO CAUSE ALL THAT ISSUE. BUT ANYWAY, NOT THAT WE GOT ANYTHING TONIGHT, BUT JUST SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS HOW DO WE GET ALL THE INFORMATION OUT THERE TO WHERE EMPLOYEES DON'T FEEL BAD, BUT PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW, LIKE, I ALWAYS WANT TO KNOW, WHAT'S OUR DIVERSITY LIKE IN OUR GOVERNMENT? I'VE BEEN ON HERE SIX YEARS. I DON'T EVEN KNOW. BUT IF IT'S ALL ON THERE TO ME, WE OUGHT TO BE PUBLICIZING THAT. AND ONCE IT'S ALL THERE, IT OUGHT TO BE EASY TO UPDATE, BUT. WELL, SIR, I DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, A MAGIC WAND OR I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE CAN POST, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PUBLIC'S VIEW. AND I'M PRETTY SURE, YOU KNOW, OUR LEGAL TEAM CAN ASSIST US WITH THAT. BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO PROVIDE TO COUNSEL WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT POST FOR THE PUBLIC'S VIEW. AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WE CAN DO THAT. AS YOU MIGHT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. I MEAN, OUTSIDE OF HIRE DATE, EVERYTHING I JUST MENTIONED IS IN THE BUDGET. IT'S I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE HAVE OUR EMPLOYEES LISTED BY NAME IN THE BUDGET. NO, NO, NOT BY NAME. I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY WORSE, BUT IT'S A PICTURE. AND SO YOU SEE THE PICTURE OF THE EMPLOYEE, YOU SEE THE POSITION OF THE EMPLOYEE, THEN YOU GO DOWN, YOU SEE THE WAGE OF THE EMPLOYEE. I GUESS I'M GUESSING WHAT THE SEX IS AND ALL THAT. BUT THERE ARE CITIES WHO PUT OUT LIKE RACE, SEX, ALL THAT. AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DO THAT OTHER THAN IF PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW HOW DIVERSIFIED WE ARE OR AREN'T. BUT YOUR BUDGET ALREADY INCLUDES ALL THAT. YEAH. SO SO THE SO THE BUDGET SHOULD HAVE AND MAYBE WE CAN TALK OFFLINE ABOUT THIS. WHAT IT SHOULD HAVE IS THE IS THE OR IS THE DEPARTMENT PICTURE. THEN THE ORG CHART STILL PICTURES WITH TITLES. BUT THEN WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO SALARIES IT'S JUST ALL THE SALARIES FOR THAT DIVISION. IT IS NOT. NO, IT'S BROKEN DOWN TO I KNOW WHAT EACH PERSON IN THIS CITY, WHAT EACH PERSON HAS DENTAL I HEALTH INSURANCE. WHICH POSITIONS IS GETTING BOOTS. IS IT IN THE. IS IT IN THE PROPOSED PDF? [02:20:02] THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT. IT'S NOT ON THE WEB. OH, IT'S IN THE PROPOSED PDF. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SEE ALL THAT, BUT I THOUGHT IT'S YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S GOOD. BUT LIKE I SAID, I WON'T NAME THE CITY, BUT THEY HAVE ALL THAT. BUT THEY JUST HAVE IT IN A DEAL. AND I THOUGHT, THAT'S PRETTY COOL BECAUSE WE HAVE A DIE, BE BORED. BUT I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW. AND I'M NOT SAYING WE MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW, BUT WE SHOULD KNOW WHERE WE AT ON THINGS AND IS OUR MAKEUP OF OUR EMPLOYEES. THAT LEVEL OF GRANULARITY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS AVAILABLE IN THE CLEAR GOV SIDE. WHEN WE WHEN WE PUBLISH THE FINAL APPROVED BUDGET, IT'S ALL ROLLED UP INTO INTO BIGGER LINES. IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO ME THAT YOU'RE SEEING IT BECAUSE WE LEFT THE PROPOSED THAT THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING IT THAT WAY. SO ANYBODY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH HAVING LIKE A IF IT'S ALREADY OUT THERE JUST ORGANIZE IT IN ONE SPOT. SWEET. YES, SIR. OKAY. OKAY. SO THE OTHER THING, AND IT'S NOT REALLY SO MUCH A QUESTION FOR YOU, IRENE, BUT JUST TO JUST SOMETHING THAT I NOTICED IS THAT A LOT OF YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE SMALL THINGS THAT WE GIVE TO THE EMPLOYEES ARE NOW KIND OF EITHER BEING REDUCED OR ELIMINATED. THE THINGS THAT THAT TEND TO MAKE WORK LIFE BALANCE A LITTLE BIT BETTER, THE THINGS THAT MAKE YOU KNOW, AN ENJOYABLE WORKPLACE OR KIND OF GOING AWAY. THE HIGH FIVE PIZZA PARTIES. YOU KNOW, IT'S A THOUSAND BUCKS A YEAR TO TO TELL SOMEBODY GOOD JOB. AND AND WE'RE REALLY GRATEFUL THAT YOU'RE HERE AND THOSE ARE GOING AWAY. SO, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO SEE THAT KIND OF STUFF GO BY THE WAYSIDE JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT COSTS A LOT LESS TO KEEP AN EMPLOYEE THAN TO HIRE ANYONE AND TRAIN A NEW ONE. SO BUT I GET WHY THEY'RE GONE. BECAUSE YOU'VE ONLY GOT SO MUCH MONEY TO TO DEAL WITH SO. WELL, YOU SAY THEY'RE GONE, BUT HOLIDAY BANQUET WENT UP. MONTHLY EMPLOYEE MEETINGS WENT UP. EMPLOYEE. I DIDN'T MENTION THOSE. IT WAS JUST IT WAS JUST THE, THE THE COUPLE THAT I MENTIONED. SO I'M JUST SAYING OVERALL I THINK. OVERALL I THINK EVERYTHING WENT UP. I MEAN, WE CAN REDUCE SOME OF THOSE AND PUT IT BACK IN THE HIGH FIVE. WE CAN REDUCE THE HOLIDAY BANQUET AND. I'M GOOD. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO TALK ABOUT HR? OKAY. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THANKS. AND JUST EXCUSE ME, SIR, BEFORE I. BEFORE I GO BACK TO MY SEAT. IF YOU ALL DON'T KNOW OUR HR MANAGER, I THINK THE MAYOR MADE MENTION CHRISTIANA SPENCER. SHE'S RIGHT HERE. RIGHT THERE. SO? SO SHE'S OUR HR MANAGER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU. COMING UP. SO PROBABLY THE BIGGEST QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS THERE IS A HUGE DROP IN THE SOFTWARE LICENSING AND MAINTENANCE FEES THAT WENT FROM 18 GRAND DOWN TO $1,200. ARE ARE YOU. IS THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU BOUGHT A BUNCH OF SOFTWARE THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO BUY THIS YEAR? AND SO THAT'S JUST GREAT, OR IS IT ARE YOU DOING WITHOUT A LOT OF SOFTWARE THAT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET YOUR JOB DONE? THAT, SORRY. CHENEY GAMBLE, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. DO YOU HAVE THE LINE NUMBER FOR THAT? BECAUSE THAT'LL HELP ME FIND IT ON MY SPREADSHEET. AND I CAN GET TO MY NOTE FASTER THAN WHEN I SEARCH IT. I SHOW UNLESS FINANCE CHANGES, THAT SHOULD BE 11,303 25. MAYBE I JUST I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG THING. SO 9008 40 EDC IS UNDER. IT'S UNDER CITY ADMINISTRATION, CITY ADMIN. THERE WE GO. THERE'S ALSO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION BUDGET, BUT THAT'S SEPARATE AND DOESN'T USUALLY HAVE THIS SORT OF STUFF. SOFTWARE LICENSING AND MAINTENANCE. IT'S 6412. YEAH. 6412 I FOUND IT. THERE IS IMPACT DATA SOURCE MODELING AND LINKEDIN LEARNING, THE THREE WAY SPLIT. THAT'S WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. SO I SHOW $11,743.41 FOR THAT TOTAL. IT'S 9839 1598 39 NOW. GOOD JOB. JENNY, JUST CUT TWO GRAND OUT. CUT $1,400 OUT. WE WE AIN'T EVEN STARTED YET. OKAY. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT RIGHT WHERE THAT LINE WAS. WHAT WAS 11 303? AND NOW IT'S 9840. SO DID ANY LICENSES EXPIRE OR OR ANY APPLICATIONS? SUNSET? NO. IF I, I WOULD PROBABLY ASK CHRISTINA, BUT IF I HAD TO GUESS, THERE WAS A SOFTWARE THAT WE HAD A CONTRACT [02:25:04] FOR THAT WE WERE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED TO PAY FOR THROUGH PART OF FY 25. AND SO THAT HAS EXPIRED. AND OBVIOUSLY WE DID NOT RENEW THAT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO CUT IT FOR THIS BUDGET YEAR, BUT WE COULDN'T DO THE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION. SO OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. BUT YOU'RE JUST I GUESS MY MAIN QUESTION WAS YOU'VE GOT THE SOFTWARE THAT YOU NEED. THOSE ARE THE TWO SOFTWARES THAT I SHOW. AND I'LL JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS ARE RIGHT, BECAUSE THERE'S A DISCREPANCY ON MY SPREADSHEET VERSUS WHAT'S IN THERE. AND THIS IS WHERE I HAVE MY NOTES. SO YEAH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IF I HAD CUT ONE OF THE SOFTWARE AGAIN, YOU WOULD SEE A ZERO IN QUANTITY AND THEN YOU WOULD SEE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, AND THAT WOULD SHOW YOU THAT I, THAT I CUT ONE. OKAY. AND THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GETTING FUNDED. YOU HAD ASKED FOR AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM COORDINATOR. IS THAT SO WHAT WILL YOU NOT BE ABLE TO DO WITHOUT THAT POSITION. SURE. SO WE THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY THE STAKEHOLDER RELATIONSHIPS AND SPONSORSHIPS. ROLE. I KNOW IT'S THE MAYOR'S FAVORITE JOB TITLE. I GOT A COUPLE OTHER FAVORITE ONES, I BET, BUT WE ACTUALLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY. THAT PERSON LEFT THE CITY, AND SO WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO RETOOL THAT, TO TRY TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT AND MORE ROBUST AND HIGHER VALUE BASED ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCIL HAD COMMUNICATED WERE PRIORITIES. SO THEY WERE GOING TO BE LEADING SPONSORSHIPS. WELL, ALTERNATIVE FUNDING, WHICH IS SPONSORSHIPS AND GRANT OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL AS SUPPORTING DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT, NOT EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT ACTUAL RECRUITMENT OF DEVELOPMENT AND HELPING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. AND THEN ALSO MANAGING OUR CIVIC SERVE SOFTWARE, WHICH IS OUR INCENTIVES MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE. SO IT CURRENTLY HAS TWO YEARS AND THREE 80S CAPABILITIES, BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD THAT TO BE EXPANDED TO INCLUDE OUR HOT FUNDS PROGRAM. AND THEN ALSO THE THREE TWELVES, THREE ELEVENS, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE INCENTIVES OR FUNDING PROGRAMS WOULD ALL BE HOUSED IN THAT ONE SOFTWARE, SO THAT PERSON WOULD BE THE PERSON MANAGING THOSE PROGRAMS AND THEREBY THAT SOFTWARE. AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY TO DO ALL THAT. NOT AT THIS TIME. OKAY. AND SO WHO WILL DO THAT NOW? JUST YOU. WELL, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT REALLOCATING SOME OF THOSE THINGS TO FINANCE. AND THEN THE REST OF THE STUFF IS JUST NOT WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR BEST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO RECEIVE THE SAME LEVEL OF SUPPORT AND ATTENTION, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE THE SAME RESULT AS IF WE HAD THAT FTE TO DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I'VE TALKED TO CITY MANAGER ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF REALLOCATION OF, WOULD YOU SAY, GEMS LIKE DUTIES OR LIKE DIFFERENT FOCUS POINTS THAT THE EDC MAY BE LOOKING AT TO WHERE. YEAH, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THOSE THINGS DONE. IT'S JUST DEPEND ON THE DIRECTION IT MAY BE. IT MAY BE CHANGED IN SOME THINGS. YEAH, I WHAT WHAT I, WHAT I TRIED TO CONVEY TO THE MAYOR ABOUT THAT WAS THAT ONE I DID RECOMMEND TO CUT THE POSITION, YOU KNOW. SO I'M THE ONE THAT MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION. NOT NOT CHENEY. SO THAT WAS ME. GOLD STAR? NO, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, BUT. CHENEY AND HER TEAM ARE OPERATING UNDER THE MARCHING ORDERS FROM THE PREVIOUS MARCHING ORDER. SO THAT'D BE THE PREVIOUS BOARD, PREVIOUS COUNCIL, THAT SORT OF STUFF. IF IF THE WAY THAT THEY'RE SPENDING THEIR RESOURCES IS NOT THE WAY WE WANT THEM TO EXPEND THEIR RESOURCES NOW, THEY JUST NEED NEW MARCHING ORDERS SO THEY CAN REPRIORITIZE AND RETARGET HOW THEY'RE SPENDING THEIR LABOR AND THEIR ENERGY. SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I SAID. SO IF THE EDC COMES AND SAYS TO CHENEY, HEY, THIS IS WHERE WE WANT YOU SPENDING YOUR TIME, THEN IT'S UP TO HER TO SAY, OKAY, HERE'S HOW I WOULD ALLOCATE RESOURCES TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE GOALS. OKAY. GOOD TO MOVE ON. ROCK AND ROLL, BUBBA. AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT. OKAY, WHATEVER. ALL RIGHT. DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. THIS IS GOING VERY DIFFERENT THAN I THOUGHT. YOUR DREAM. OH MY GOODNESS. OKAY, SO I HAD A QUESTION ON THE THIRD PARTY. PASS THROUGH INSPECTIONS. SO IT GOT REDUCED FROM 400 GRAND TO 146 GRAND. AND SO MY QUESTION WAS, IS THIS A SAVINGS THAT THE CITY WILL, WILL, WILL SEE WILL WE'LL SEE ALMOST A 300 OR $250,000 SAVINGS IN COST. OKAY. YES. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, FOR THE RECORD. ASHLEY BAILEY, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. THIS IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO LAST YEAR'S [02:30:05] BUDGET AND COUNCIL BLESSING MY TEAM WITH THE ABILITY TO HIRE A BUILDING OFFICIAL. SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE SEEN THE COST SAVINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET SESSION. AND SO WE HAVE REDUCED THAT INSPECTION LINE ITEM TO MORE CLOSELY MIRROR WHAT THE ACTUALS WERE THIS YEAR SO THAT YOU WILL SEE A SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS. SO THAT POSITION ESSENTIALLY PAID FOR ITSELF IN ONE YEAR. AWESOME. OKAY, GREAT. I WAS HOPING I WAS READING THAT RIGHT. THAT'S THE WAY I READ IT. GREAT JOB ASHLEY. YEP. HEY, IT WAS COUNCIL'S DECISION, SO THANK YOU. BASED ON YOUR DIRECTION, ON MY REQUEST AND YOUR OPERATION OF GETTING IT DONE. YEAH. TAKE THE CREDIT. OKAY, SO IN THAT VEIN, THEN YOU DID ASK FOR THREE OTHER POSITIONS THAT YOU DIDN'T GET. SO THERE'S TWO CONSTRUCTION INSPECTORS THAT WERE NOT APPROVED. SO THE CONSTRUCTION INSPECTORS ARE NOT MINE. THOSE WOULD BE UNDER MATT RICHTER'S TEAM FOR MATT. MINE ARE BUILDING INSPECTORS. I HAD ONE RECLASS FROM A BUILDING INSPECTOR. I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE A STEP UP. LIKE A SENIOR POSITION. BUT WE ACTUALLY DETERMINED AT THIS TIME IT'S NOT NEEDED BECAUSE WE STILL NEED SOME MORE TRAINING TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THAT POINT. SO WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE THAT. YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY, PERFECT. AND THEN WE HAD THE HISTORIC PLANNER SLASH DOWNTOWN MANAGER. WE I WOULD REALLY LIKE THAT ONE. BUT AGAIN, THAT WAS ONE THAT WAS NOT FUNDED AND WILL BE OKAY WITH THAT. OKAY. AND WHAT WON'T HAPPEN NOW THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT OR WHAT COULD THAT PERSON HAVE DONE THAT THAT WON'T BE GETTING DONE THIS YEAR. THAT POSITION WAS GOING TO BE TIED TO THE DIRECTION TO I'M GOING TO FORGET THE NAME OF IT. THERE WAS THE DIRECTION TO DETERMINE IF WE COULD BE A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT FOR THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING, BUT WE WOULD NEED A ONE FTE TO BASICALLY OVERSEE THAT. SO LIKELY WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE THAT CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL GRANTS IN DOWNTOWN HISTORIC WORK. SO WE'LL LOSE OUT ON SOME GRANTS, POTENTIALLY. THAT'S NOT A GUARANTEED FUNDING SOURCE. OKAY. QUESTION ON CONTRACTUAL SERVICES ON THAT UDC MANUAL JUST BELOW THEIR 91,000. THE MANUAL IS ALREADY IN THE IN THE CONTRACT OR THE CONSULTANT CONTRACT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. THAT HASN'T BEEN PAID FOR YET. SO MAYOR CENTER AND COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS THAT HAS BEEN PAID FOR TO DATE, BUT WE STILL HAVE ADDITIONAL CONTRACTUAL FUNDS THAT WE HAVE TO SET ASIDE BECAUSE OF WHAT THE CONTRACT AMOUNT WAS ORIGINALLY. WE DO HAVE SOME UNSPENT, BUT BECAUSE THOSE ARE NOT YET APPROVED, WE JUST HAVE TO HOLD THAT MONEY OVER. OKAY, SO THESE ARE ALREADY CONTRACTED SERVICES THAT WE STILL HAVEN'T PAID YET. YEAH, WE HAVE NOT PAID THE FULL AMOUNT. AND AT THIS POINT WE DO HAVE SOME COST SAVINGS. BUT BECAUSE WE ARE ESSENTIALLY PAUSED UNTIL WE RECEIVE ALL OF THE COUNCIL COMMITTEES. COMMENTS. WE WON'T KNOW WHAT THAT FINAL COST IS GOING TO BE. IT WILL STILL BE WITHIN THE CONTRACTED AMOUNT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. IF WE GET A WORD DOC AND WE REDLINE THAT OURSELVES. I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE FACETIOUS HERE. DO WE NEED TO CONSULTANT ANY MORE AT THIS TIME, OR CAN WE TAKE IT FROM NOW AND GO. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT CLOSE TO 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN DEVELOPMENT. SO CAN WE TAKE THE DOCUMENT, REDLINE IT AND CALL IT A DAY? DO WE REALLY NEED CHASING THIS PEOPLE TO COME AND EXPLAIN THIS WHY THAT'S A GOOD MOVE OR BAD MOVE? I WOULD SAY, PROFESSIONALLY SPEAKING, THAT WE SHOULD STILL JUST HOLD THIS ASIDE, EVEN IF WE DON'T BELIEVE ONLY BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY CONTRACTED FOR THAT AMOUNT. SO I WOULD NEVER WANT TO PUT US INTO A FINANCIAL POSITION WHERE WE'VE CONTRACTED AND NOT FUNDED THE FULL CONTRACT AMOUNT. I KNOW FOR OUR SIDE, IF WE'RE REDLINING, IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT WE NECESSARILY GIVE BACK TO THEM. IT MAY BE SOMETHING JUST WITH STAFFING LEVELS AND OUR QUICK TURNAROUND AND ALSO BEING 13TH FASTEST WE MAY NEED TO JUST BE ABLE TO PUSH SOME OF THOSE RED LINES TO SOMEONE ELSE AND SAY, CLEAN UP THE DOCUMENT, GIVE US THE FULL FIX. WHAT IF THERE'S ANY OF THE THE EXHIBITS OR ANYTHING WITHIN THAT DOCUMENT THAT NEED TO BE UPDATED? THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO PUSH BACK ON SOMETHING BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE THOSE CONTRACTED FUNDS. CERTAINLY CONSIDERING THE ENGINEERING MANUAL, I WOULD EXPECT THE SAME THING. BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING IS, I DON'T BELIEVE WE COULD TAKE THAT MONEY OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE A SIGNED CONTRACT FOR A NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. THAT JUST SOUNDS LIKE A BUDGET AMENDMENT. LIKE SIX MONTHS FOR ALBERTA'S. LIKE, YOU GUYS GOT 90,000 MORE DOLLARS YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW YOU HAD. YEAH, AND ALBERTA AND I WORK VERY CLOSE TOGETHER TO MONITOR BECAUSE MOST OF MY FEES ARE PASSED THROUGH ACCOUNTS. SO IF WE KNOW WE MIGHT NEED MORE AND THEN WE'RE GETTING REIMBURSED BY THE DEVELOPER. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT. THERE'S YOUR 150 YEAR PARTY MONEY. OH, WE'RE STILL AT 300, JAMES. WE GET THE IDEA ACROSS WHERE WE'RE CHARGING MORE MONEY AND DOING LESS. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME INCOME GROWTH, BUT WE GOT TO GET ASHLEY TO SIGN OFF ON. I DON'T SEE THAT THE ENGINEERING MANUAL IN HERE IS THAT IT WOULD BE UNDER. IT'S ESSENTIALLY JUST COMBINED WITH THE UDC. WHEN WE DID THE CONTRACT WE DID THE UDC AND ENGINEERING MANUAL. I BELIEVE EVERYTHING'S COMBINED IN MY LINE ITEM. IT'S NOT SEPARATED OUT AND DONE WITH THAT YET. NO. COME ON MAN. IS THAT CORRECT? [02:35:05] FOAMING AT THE MOUTH? YES. WE ONLY HAVE IT IN THE ONE LINE ITEM HERE IN ASHLEY'S. THANK YOU. I'M DONE. MAYOR. JIM'S TAKEN THE ENGINEERING MANUAL ON ITSELF BECAUSE SOME OF US DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S IN THERE. ON SOME OF IT. AND IT LOOKS GOOD. AND HE GETS REALLY. HE JUST LOVES WHEN WE ASK A QUESTION. HE'S LIKE, OH, LET ME EXPLAIN. YEAH. SO IT'S GOOD. THAT'S ALL I HAD FOR YOU. UNLESS ANYONE ELSE. I'M SORRY. YES, SIR. NOPE. OKAY. I'M GOOD. WE'RE GOOD. ENGINEERING HAD SOME QUESTIONS. THIS IS GOING GREAT, PETER, I LIKE THIS. I'M JUST SAYING IT'S GOING GOOD. OKAY. SO MY QUESTIONS WERE. SO WE'RE NOT FUNDING A RIGHT OF WAY, AGENT. IS THAT ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE SIMILAR TO THE ONE WE JUST DISCUSSED HERE WITH THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY SAVE MONEY IN THE LONG RUN IF WE HAD SOMEBODY DOING IT? OR IS THIS JUST A NICE TO HAVE? LIKE WHAT? WHAT'S UP WITH THAT POSITION? FOR THE RECORD, MATT. DIRECTOR. CITY ENGINEER. SO IT'S NOT AN EASY ANSWER. YES. IN THE LONG TERM, HAVING OUR OWN RIGHT OF WAY AGENT WOULD SAVE THE CITY MONEY. BUT WE DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY MANAGER BECAUSE WE ARE DOING SO MANY PROJECTS THAT ARE INVOLVED. RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION. WE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS GOING TO TAKE THEM A LONG TIME TO GET SPOOLED UP, AND SO WE DIDN'T WE WOULDN'T SEE THAT SAVINGS FOR A WHILE. OKAY, COOL. THAT MAKES SENSE. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO WHAT DO THEY NEED TO DO TO GET SCHOOLED UP? BECAUSE REAL ESTATE'S REAL ESTATE. SO IF YOU GIVE AN EXHIBIT OR A CONSULTANT GIVES AN EXHIBIT THAT WE NEED THIS HASHED OUT AREA, THEY DON'T NEED SCHOOLING. THEY JUST GO GET IT DONE. RIGHT. NO, NOT SCHOOLED, SPOOLED UP, LIKE TO CATCH UP BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY RIGHT OF WAYS TO ACQUIRE AT THE SAME TIME SCHOOLED OR SCHOOLED. IF, IF LIKE IF I WAS A RIGHT OF WAY AGENT, I JUST GOT HIRED AND MY FIRST DAY ON A JOB THAT GIVES ME THREE EXHIBITS AND SAYS, GO GET THIS LAND, I WOULD THINK I IF YOU HIRED SOMEONE QUALIFIED, THEY SHOULD KNOW HOW TO LOOK UP THE OWNERSHIP. THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO THE PERSON. THEY SHOULD KNOW THE THING. I MEAN, WHAT DO THEY NEED TO DO? BECAUSE THIS IS A THING WHERE WE'RE PAYING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS A YEAR FOR SOMETHING THAT I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE WE'RE PAYING FOR. I'VE EVEN TALKED KENDALL AND HER TEAM GET IT DONE. SO WHAT DO THEY GOTTA? WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO KNOW THAT THEY CAN'T KNOW? LIKE ON DAY ONE? AND I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT THEY CAN'T KNOW. I THINK IT'S A IT'S A QUANTITY. YEAH. ONE PERSON BECOME A CHOKE POINT BECAUSE OF THE WORKLOAD. BECAUSE OF THE PROJECTS. IT CANNOT BE THAT MUCH WORK. WELL, I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO MATT TO SAY, ACTUALLY, LIKE, I MEAN, DOTTIE COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO THIS. WE WE BOMBARD HER TEAM. WE HAVE A WEEKLY MEETING WITH HER TEAM, AND WE'RE CONSTANTLY TALKING TO THEM ABOUT NEEDING AN EASEMENT OVER HERE. WE GOT TO ADJUST AN EASEMENT OVER THERE. WE GOT TO GO GET RIGHT OF WAY OVER HERE. WE'VE GOT TO GO BUY THIS. WE'VE GOT TO GO CONDEMN THAT. WE'VE GOT TO GO. I MEAN, WE HAVE CONSTANT BACK AND FORTH. THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT THAT THIS PERSON WOULD HAVE TO GET UP TO SPEED ON. AND, I MEAN, I TELL CONSULTANTS AND CONTRACTORS ALL THE TIME, IF YOU'RE GOING TO COME WORK IN HUDDLE, YOU BETTER PUT YOUR RUNNING SHOES ON BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING. AND THIS PERSON WOULD I MEAN, THEY WOULD BE FULL ON LIKE SPRINT SPIKES. NOT NOT EVEN RUNNING SHOES. THEY'RE EVEN IF THEY TOOK THREE FOURTHS OF THAT. LET'S THINK ABOUT THIS, MAN. EVEN IF THEY TOOK THREE FOURTHS, I MEAN THE EXCHANGE RIGHT AWAY WAS LIKE $60,000 FOR PAYING A COMPANY TO GET THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR EXCHANGE FOR PROPERTY OWNERS. YEAH. BUT IT'S YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE TEXAS PROPERTY CODE, AND YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THESE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, BECAUSE WE RAN INTO THAT WITH ONE GROUP WE WERE USING. THEY WEREN'T DOING THE UPDATED. YEAH. LIMBER LIMBER AND 1660. SO YOU HAVE TO DO THAT. NOW THEY'RE CERTIFIED BY THE TEXAS REAL ESTATE COMMISSION AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE 16 HOURS OF TRAINING. SO BEFORE THEY EVEN HIT THE STREETS TO CONTACT PEOPLE, YOU JUST CAN'T HIRE SOMEBODY WITHOUT BEING QUALIFIED. AND I THINK THEY MAKE MAYBE $85 AN HOUR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S THE EQUIVALENT. SO THE CONSULTANT OR OR A PERSON, YOU'RE THINKING IF IT CAME TO THE CITY THAT WOULD COME TO THE CITY, THAT WOULD BE THEIR MAYBE THEIR HOURLY ANYWHERE, JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE TRAINED AND HAVE THOSE CERTIFICATES. YEAH. NO. BELIEVE ME, I MEAN, I. SO ANYWAY, IT WAS COSTLY. YEAH, I GET IT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS, HOW MUCH IS HOW MUCH IS THE BAUCUS LAW FIRM MESSING WITH THIS? AND THEN HOW MUCH ARE WE PAYING CONSULTANTS? BECAUSE IF FOR PROPERTY OWNERS IS 65,000, I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE DON'T HIRE ANYBODY QUALIFIED. I'M JUST SUGGESTING YOU GUYS REALLY LOOK AT THIS AND GO THROUGH ALL THE CONTRACTS AND REALLY THINK, HOW MUCH ARE WE SPENDING? I BET WE'RE SPENDING IT'S 100% 3 OR 400. [02:40:01] IT'S 100% CHEAPER TO HIRE SOMEBODY. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. THAT WASN'T THE REASON THAT I ELECTED NOT TO RECOMMEND THIS. I ELECTED NOT TO RECOMMEND IT BECAUSE I SAW IT AS A SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE AND AS A CHOKE POINT, AND I'VE BEEN TOLD SPRINT. SO WE'RE SPENDING MONEY TO GO FASTER. SO IF WE WANT TO GO TO WHERE WE'RE MORE FRUGAL AND SAVING MONEY AND PUT IT INTO A SINGLE PERSON, THEN THEN WE CAN DO THAT. BUT THAT'S WHY I ELECTED NOT TO DO IT. IT WASN'T BECAUSE IT WASN'T CHEAPER, IT WAS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE SLOWER. IT'S THE VOLUME OF REQUESTS THAT WE GET AND ALL THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE TO DO. YEAH. I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU, NEIL. I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOU'RE SPENDING 4 OR $500,000 ON THE SAME SERVICES AND ONE PERSON CAN CUT THAT IN HALF I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY. WHY WE DON'T. WHY WE DON'T LOOK AT THAT. BUT IF YOU GUYS WANT TO KEEP OUTSOURCING IT, IT'S JUST EVERY TIME THOSE CONTRACTS COME UP, I'M LIKE, GOD. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S LEGAL THINGS. AND A TRAINED, QUALIFIED PERSON THAT HAS CERTIFICATIONS, IT'S GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE. BUT THAT'S BECAUSE IT CAN BE A LICENSED BROKER AND IT COULD BE OUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING 3% OF EVERY DEAL THAT'S HAPPENING OUT THERE. AND I, I WOULD SAY I DON'T THINK IT'S A FRUGAL WAY OF DOING IT. IT'S LIKE OUR PLANS WHEN WE BEFORE YOU GOT HERE, WE USED TO WE MAY STILL DO IT. PAY A COMPANY IN SOUTH AUSTIN TO REVIEW SITE PLANS? NO, BUT WE USED TO WRITE. IT WAS LIKE. I THINK GARVER USED TO DO IT FOR LIKE 200,000 A YEAR. YEAH. BEFORE I GOT HERE, YOU YOU HAD EFFECTIVELY OUTSOURCED EVERYTHING THAT I DO. SO YOU HAD GARVER ACTING AS YOUR CITY ENGINEER. YOU HAD K FREEZE DOING YOUR PLAN REVIEWS. AND THEN YOU HAD I THINK IT WAS FREEZE AND NICHOLS AND GARVER DOING ALL OF YOUR SCARS. YEAH. AND I'D PROBABLY SAY THIS IS HOW MANY TIMES WE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE CONSULTANT NOT DOING A GOOD JOB. WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER. AND SO AT LEAST THEN YOU CAN PICK UP THE PHONE. YOU CAN WALK DOWN THEIR OFFICE AND GO, HEY, MAN, HOW COME YOU DON'T HAVE THIS AGREEMENT OUT YET? AND THEN MATT'S LOOKING FOR IT, WHEREAS RIGHT NOW MATT'S GOT TO CALL SOMEBODY. THEY'VE GOT AN EXCUSE. THEY HAD SOME ISSUE. SARAH'S HAVING PROBLEMS BECAUSE SARAH'S WAITING ON THEM TO DO IT. THEN DOLLY'S WAITING ON THEM TO DO IT AND I'M LIKE, IT'S ALL OUT OF OUR HANDS TO ME. I JUST SAY WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT IT AND THINK, THE SALARY IS 150. THAT'S EXCHANGE AND ONE OTHER. YEAH. AND THEN ALL THE OTHER WORK, AND THEN MAYBE LESS WORKLOAD WITH BAUCUS. NOT THAT HE DOES A BAD JOB OR HER FIRM'S EXPENSIVE, BUT YEAH, THE LEGAL TEAM WOULD STILL BE DOING THE LEGAL STUFF. BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS I DID LOOK AT IT. I DECIDED NOT TO BECAUSE OF SPEED. BUT IF YOU ALL DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT CHOICE, THEN YOU WOULD YOU WOULD MOVE TO ADD THE POSITION BACK IN AND THEN YOU WOULD FUND IT WITH, YOU KNOW, LIKELY THE CIP DOLLARS, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WORK. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THE CONSULTANTS TO GO DO THE WORK ANYWAY. SO IF YOU WANT US TO HIRE SOMEONE TO DO THAT, THAT'S JUST THE SIMPLE MOTION AND CHANGE. YOU WOULD REDUCE THE THE CONSULTANT DOLLARS FROM THE CIP THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THESE PROJECTS. AND THEN YOU WOULD INCREASE THE THE SALARIES AND ADD THE FTE. I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE SPEED ASPECT OF IT, RIGHT. I MEAN, IS THAT GOING TO MAKE WE KEEP COMPLAINING THAT IT'S TAKEN FOREVER TO GET OUR PROJECTS DONE? IS THIS GOING TO MAKE IT EVEN WORSE? COULD BE, WELL, WE'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT SPEED AND WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING WE'VE DONE THE PAST THREE YEARS. WELL, IN ALL FAIRNESS, I TOLD YOU THREE YEARS AGO IT WAS GOING TO TAKE THREE YEARS TO GET TO THIS POINT WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY START BUILDING THINGS THE WAY THAT THEY NEEDED TO BE BUILT, BECAUSE THEY HADN'T BEEN PLANNED. THEY HADN'T BEEN ANY OF THAT STUFF. BUT I HEAR YOU. THREE YEARS IN AND INNOVATION DOESN'T HAVE A SIGNAL UP RIGHT NOW. AND THE IDEA WAS, IF YOU LET US WAIT, WE WANT TO WAIT FOR SCHOOL TO GET OUT. NOW SCHOOL STARTED. WE DON'T HAVE IT DONE. SO I'M JUST SAYING WHATEVER WE'RE DOING IS NOT WORKING. SO TO ME, I'M WILLING TO TAKE A RISK THAT IT MAY SLOW US DOWN. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULD SLOW US DOWN BECAUSE THE BOSS IS IN THE BUILDING. MATT'S IN THE BUILDING IS THE BOSS, AND YOU'RE MATT'S BOSS, AND WE'RE YELLING AT YOU AND THEY'RE COMING UP HERE EXPLAINING TO US. WHEREAS RIGHT NOW ALL WE HEAR IS EXCUSES OUT OF CONSULTANTS ALL THE TIME WHY WE'RE NOT HITTING DEADLINES. BUT I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOU GUYS IF YOU THINK THE CONSULTANTS ARE GOING TO SOMEHOW DO SOMETHING FASTER AND BETTER THAN THEY HAVEN'T DONE IN THE PAST 2 OR 3 YEARS, SCREWING STUFF UP AND FOLLOWING WRONG RULES, FINE. BUT TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE IF YOU'RE ABLE TO CONTROL YOUR DESTINY AND YOU HAVE ENOUGH WORKLOAD. AND. BUT I'M TRYING TO SAY THAT I'M OKAY IF Y'ALL WANT TO PIVOT AND DO IT THAT WAY. I'M EXPLAINING WHY I DECIDED WHAT I DECIDED. BUT IF Y'ALL WANT TO PIVOT AND DO IT THE OTHER WAY, THAT WILL MAKE THAT WORK TOO. IT IT'S NOT GOING TO IT'S NOT GOING TO COST US MORE MONEY. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF DO YOU WANT MULTIPLE CONSULTANTS WORKING ON MULTIPLE PROJECTS WHICH I VIEWED TO BE FASTER, OR DO YOU WANT A STAFF MEMBER WORKING ON MULTIPLE PROJECTS? THAT MAY MEAN THAT THINGS STRETCH OUT A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN MULTIPLE [02:45:02] CONSULTANTS DOING IT COULD GET IT DONE FOR? THAT'S BASICALLY IT. WHAT'S EASIER MATT? GET IT TO GET IT GOING FASTER. I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO YELL AT YOU IF IT'S NOT HAPPENING ON TIME. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M LIKE AT THIS POINT. IT DOESN'T MATTER. YOU'RE GOING TO YELL AT ME EITHER WAY. SO BEING WHO I AM, I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING COMPLETE CONTROL. BUT I CAN ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A SINGLE POINT, SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE CAN BE POTENTIALLY PROBLEMATIC. I MEAN, I, I PUT IT IN THE REQUEST. I THOUGHT IT WAS LOOKING AT IT STRICTLY FROM A VALUE PERSPECTIVE. I THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE TO TRY TO SAVE MONEY. BUT I MEAN, CITY MANAGER SEES THINGS THAT I DON'T SEE. AND SO HIS HIS VIEW FROM THE TOP LOOKING AT NOW YOU'VE GOT ONE POINT. YOU HAVE TO PUT EVERYTHING THROUGH THERE AND YOU HAVE TO SQUEEZE EVERYTHING THROUGH THAT PIPELINE. I MEAN, YEAH, THAT IS A CHOKE POINT. BUT LIKE I'VE DONE EVERYTHING ELSE FOR THE PAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS, I'LL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET IT DONE. HERE'S MY OTHER COMMENT ON THIS. EVERY TIME I DEAL WITH A CONSULTANT THAT'S WORKING FOR A CITY FOR RIGHT OF WAY. I ALWAYS REACH OUT TO THE CITY STAFF BECAUSE THE CONSULTANT JUST KNOWS ONE THING THEY GOT THE MARCHING ORDERS AND THEY GO, AND I'M DEALING WITH THAT RIGHT NOW, AND I'M JUST LIKE, THEY'RE FROM LJ. AND I'M LIKE, YOU'RE NOT EVEN PAYING ATTENTION. YOU JUST ONE THING. FILL OUT THIS FORM AND LIKE THE FORM IS NOT GOING TO GET FILLED OUT. YOU GOT TO TALK TO A CITY PERSON TO GO, HEY, HAS ANYBODY SEEN WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY ASKING FOR? INSTEAD, THEY'RE JUST USING THE SAME PIECE OF PAPER. SO TO ME, FROM THE DEVELOPING SIDE, I'LL BE HONEST, I HATE CONSULTANTS. I MEAN, I HATE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS THROW THE BLAME ON THE CITY STAFF. IT'S NOT ME, IT'S STAFF. AND YOU GO TO STAFF. IT'S NOT STAFF, IT'S THEM. AND YOU JUST WANT AN ANSWER. AND TO ME, THE QUICKEST YOU CAN GET THE MAT IN YOU, THAT'S THE FASTEST. SOUNDS LIKE. SOUNDS LIKE A A MOTION. MAYOR. I'M JUST SAYING. I MEAN, THERE'S VERY FEW THINGS I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT, BUT IT WAS FUNNY WHEN HE BROUGHT IT UP, I WAS LIKE, YEAH, LIKE, LET'S LET'S GET ON THAT. BUT IF YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO DO IT, I'M GONNA LEAVE IT TO YOU GUYS. I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT FROM A DEVELOPER SIDE, WE ALL HATE CONSULTANTS. WELL, I CAN'T ADD FTES. ONLY Y'ALL CAN DO THAT. NO, I KNOW THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. FROM YOU ALL BEING. YOU KNOW, I HAVE A QUESTION. THERE SEEMS TO BE TWO RIGHT OF WAY INSPECTORS, ONE THAT WAS AT 4954 CURRENT YEAR AND ZEROED OUT NEXT YEAR. AND THEN ANOTHER ONE THAT IS BOTH RIGHT OF WAY INSPECTORS 000686 AND THIS IS $0 CURRENT AND 53 498 NEXT YEAR. SO ARE THEY TWO SEPARATE POSITIONS? SO I DON'T HAVE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IT'S PAGE 311 ON THE PDF. BUT I BELIEVE YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT OF WAY INSPECTORS. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE RIGHT OF WAY AGENT. MY BAD. THANK YOU. OKAY. THE OTHER ONE THAT I HAD A QUESTION ON WAS THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER DIDN'T GET FUNDED. IS THAT THE PERSON THAT WOULD MANAGE ALL THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS ONCE WE TAKE THEM OVER FROM TXDOT. THAT WOULD THAT PERSON DOES WOULD DO IT WAS THAT WAS NOT THE INTENDED ROLE FOR THIS PERSON. THIS PERSON WAS TO SPECIFICALLY FOCUS ON TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT WAS A FOCUS OF THE COUNCIL AND FOCUS OF THE COMMUNITY. AND SO THE IDEA WAS, RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT A CIP ENGINEER AND WE'VE GOT A CIP PROJECT MANAGER, BUT THEY COULD BE DOING PARK PROJECTS, THEY CAN BE DOING ROAD PROJECTS, THEY CAN BE DOING WATER PROJECTS, WASTEWATER PROJECTS. AND SO THE IDEA WAS GET SOMEBODY IN WHO CAN FOCUS ON JUST ONE AREA AND LET THESE OTHER PEOPLE FOCUS ON THE OTHER AREAS, BECAUSE NOT THAT THERE'S HUGE DIFFERENCES IN THE DIFFERENT CIVIL ENGINEERING AREAS, BUT STILL ENOUGH OF A DIFFERENCE THAT IF YOU'RE FOCUSING ON A PARK PROJECTS, THAT'S PRETTY DIFFERENT THAN FOCUSING ON A ROAD PROJECT, AND THE ROAD PROJECTS TEND TO BE THE ONES THAT BOG US DOWN THE MOST, BECAUSE YOU ARE DEALING WITH RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION. YOU'RE DEALING WITH UTILITY COORDINATION, YOU'RE DEALING WITH DESIGN, YOU'RE DEALING WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS. WE'RE IN A PARK, YOU GENERALLY ALREADY OWN MOST OF THE LAND, AND IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. AND THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF LIKE IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS AND UTILITY COORDINATION THAT YOU HAVE TO DO. SO THAT WAS THAT WAS THE THOUGHT THERE BEHIND THE TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER. OKAY. SO MAKE ROADS GO FASTER. WAS THE INTENTION CORRECT? HOW CAN WE PAY FOR THAT? HOW CAN YOU PAY FOR THAT? I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS WHAT CITY MANAGER WAS SAYING ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY AGENT. IT WOULD COME OUT OF THE. INSTEAD OF PAYING A CONSULTANT TO DO ALL OF YOUR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, YOU WOULD TAKE SOME OF THAT MONEY AND HAVE A CIP ENGINEER HELPING THEM. SO THAT OFFSET, I MEAN, YOU COULD YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ELIMINATE CONSULTANTS WITH THAT BECAUSE BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY ROAD PROJECTS FOR ONE PERSON TO TO [02:50:05] SPECIALIZE THINGS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A. YEAH, EXACTLY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, FROM EVEN WORKING WITH US THAT THERE'S A TRANSPORTATION AGENT. SAYING THAT NAME, RIGHT? TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER. AND IF YOU HAD TO GUESS WHAT PERCENT OF THE SALARY IS GOING TO COME THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FUND AT THE GRT VERSUS OR WILL IT ALL OFFSET BECAUSE WE'RE USING SO MUCH IN, IN CONSULTANTS THAT IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE A WASH. OR IS THERE SOME WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PICK UP. THERE'S STILL SOME THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PICK FROM THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE I DON'T I DON'T THINK YOU COULD OFFSET ENOUGH TO COVER THEIR SALARY AND STILL BE ABLE TO COVER YOUR CONSULTANTS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE. WOULD THAT MAKE THINGS GO A LOT FASTER? DEFINE A LOT FASTER. WELL, I DON'T WANT TO ADD A BUNCH OF PEOPLE. AND THEN YOU GO, OH, I HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE NOW I NEED NOW I NEED A PERSON TO HELP ME MANAGE THESE PEOPLE. BUT FASTER, LIKE IN 1660. WHAT ARE WE MISSING INSIDE THIS BUILDING? TO MAKE IT TO WHERE? THAT DOESN'T TAKE TWO YEARS. THAT TAKES NINE MONTHS. LIKE IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE. I THINK FOR TWO YEARS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION. SO THIS PERSON WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO NECESSARILY CHANGE CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE WAY THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS WORK. AND ONCE YOU ONCE YOU BID IT OUT, YOU HAVE LIMITATIONS ON WHAT YOU CAN FORCE THE CONTRACTOR TO DO OTHER THAN YOU HAVE TO MEET TIMELINES, BASICALLY. BUT I MEAN, GETTING UP TO THAT POINT LIKE THAT'S WRONG, EXCEPT MAYBE HIPAA WAY IF IT'S GOING TO TAKE A YEAR TO PERMIT WITH TXDOT, CAN THIS. YEAH. SO THIS PERSON WOULD BE FOCUSED IN ON THOSE WHERE LIKE RIGHT NOW SAY MY SIP ENGINEER. YOU KNOW, SHE'S MANAGING PROBABLY 25 DIFFERENT PROJECTS. AND IT'S EVERYTHING FROM FACILITIES STUDIES ROADS WATER WASTEWATER. AND SO THIS PERSON WOULD BE FOCUSED IN ON JUST THE ROAD PROJECTS SO THAT IT TAKES BURDEN OFF OF THOSE OTHER ENGINEERS. AND THIS PERSON WOULD BE THE ONE THAT I GO TO TO WHERE ARE WE AT? WHY ARE WE NOT MOVING FAST ENOUGH? HOW ARE YOU? HOW ARE YOU PUSHING TXDOT? HOW ARE YOU PUSHING THE COUNTY? HOW ARE YOU PUSHING UPRR? HOW WHERE ARE WE AT IN COORDINATING ALL THIS STUFF? 132 32 AND 79. 1660 SOUTH AND 79. AND THAT'S ALL THOSE. IT ALLOWS THEM TO FOCUS IN ON JUST THOSE PROJECTS. YES, THAT'S THE IDEA. THEY CAN GET PAID OUT OF CIP. SO UNLESS THEY COME OUT ON THE REVENUE, THE WHOLE SALARY, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO JUST TRANSFER MONEY, RIGHT? WE'RE SPENDING AND CONSULTANTS. IT'S THE SAME THING WE'RE DOING FOR THE CIP POSITIONS THAT WE'RE THAT THAT DID GET PROPOSED IN THE IN THE BUDGET IS CIP DOLLARS ARE PAYING FOR THOSE SALARIES. YEAH. SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE'LL EVER GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE NOT BUILDING ROADS. SO I'M NOT ACCORDING TO THIS LIST YOU GUYS GAVE US, WE GOT. WE MIGHT GET TO A SITUATION WHERE WE CAN'T ISSUE DEBT, BUT I DON'T KNOW, EXPENSIVE POSITION TO. MY GUESS IS IT'S GOING TO BE NORTH OF 152. JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN GO MAKE 200 OUT IN THE FIELD. YEAH. THE SALARY FOR ENGINEERS ARE GOING TO BE BETWEEN 150 AND 200. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. DO YOU LIKE ANY OF THOSE? YEAH, BOTH OF THEM. I SEE YOU'RE ON THE ROAD. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. SO YOU HAD CUT YOUR BUDGET BY TWO THIRDS FOR MICROSOFT PROJECT. IS THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE TWO POSITIONS THAT NEEDED THE LICENSE, AND YOU JUST NEED ONE LICENSE NOW INSTEAD OF THREE? NO, THAT'S ACTUALLY US DOING IT BECAUSE HE WAS PAYING FOR THAT AS AN INDIVIDUAL AND WE ARE DOING IT LARGER. SO THERE'S WE GET THE ENTERPRISE PRICING. OH SO IT'S CHEAPER AND THEN MORE LICENSES. YEAH. AWESOME. COOL. I LIKE THAT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S LIKE, GIVE ME SOME SPOTS. AND SO DID Y'ALL VOTE TO ADD TWO FTES? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO DO? NO, I'M JUST TAKING NOTES. YEAH, I WAS TAKING NOTES. YEAH, I DON'T WANNA SPEND THE MONEY. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, OH, HE'S IN A SPENDING MOOD. THAT'S THAT'S REALLY. START DOING SOME STUFF I'M TAKING. WELL, YOU'RE JUST MOVING ONE EXPENSE FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER. THAT'S NOT THE SAME THING AS SPENDING MONEY. THAT'S TRUE. OKAY. OH OH, OH, I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING A MOTION. MOTION? YEAH. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TO ADD TWO FTES. RIGHT OF WAY. AGENT AND A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, AND FUND THEM AS MUCH AS WE CAN THROUGH THE CIP DOLLARS. SECOND. I WANT YOU TO MAKE US. I AGREE WITH YOU ON A BUDGET ITEM. SEE HOW THAT WORKS? TWO FTES. HOLY COW. I KNOW JAMES'S HEART JUST STOPPED. [02:55:01] DID HE JUST. START, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON, A COUNCIL MEMBER. PORTERFIELD, A MAYOR. SNYDER, A COUNCIL MEMBER. GORDON, A COUNCIL MEMBER. KING, A COUNCIL MEMBER. MORRIS, A MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON, A MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. OKAY. OKAY. POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT'S MINE. UP NEXT FOR ME, CHIEF. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. SO MY MAIN CONCERNS WERE JUST AROUND AGAIN. PERSONNEL. I KNOW THAT YOU HAD ASKED FOR FOUR PATROL OFFICERS. YOU GOT TWO. AND FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, THE INTENTION WITH THE FOUR OFFICERS WAS TO BE ABLE TO GO TO FOUR QUADRANTS IN THE CITY INSTEAD OF TWO, RIGHT, NORTH AND SOUTH. YOU WANTED TO DO A KIND OF NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST OR WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE. ARE YOU STILL ABLE TO DO THE FOUR QUADRANTS WITH THE TWO POLICE OFFICERS, OR IS THAT KIND OF DELAYED NOW? WE JEFF YARBROUGH, CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE LUDLOW POLICE DEPARTMENT, COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON, WE ARE ABLE TO DRAW THE BOUNDARY LINES FOR AND DO THE RESECURING OF THOSE FOUR QUADRANTS WHERE WE CAN OPERATE OUT OF. THE CHALLENGE THAT WE WILL HAVE IS WE WILL NOT, AT THAT AT THIS TIME, BE ABLE TO OPERATE AT FULL TIME. BUT OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE START LAYING THAT FOOTPRINT. NOW IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHEN WE GOT OUR CRISIS SUPPORT SPECIALISTS AND WE GOT OUR VICTIMS ADVOCATE, VICTIM ASSISTANCE COORDINATOR. WE GOT THOSE TWO POSITIONS, AND WE SAW THE NEED FOR IT, AND WE LAID THE FOUNDATION FOR AND GOT THE JUSTIFICATIONS TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL THE FOLLOWING YEAR TO SHOW, OKAY, THESE WERE THE INITIAL PLANS. WE GOT THE FIRST POSITION. NOW THESE ARE THE JUSTIFICATION TO SHOW WE NEED MORE. SO OUR GOAL WITH THIS WE UNDERSTAND THE LIMITATIONS THAT WE HAVE THIS YEAR FOR THE CITY AND THE NEEDS AND THE EXPECTATIONS. SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO IMPLEMENT THAT BY INCREASING OUR SECTORS AND, AND DOING THE BEST WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO MAXIMIZE OUR, OUR, OUR RESPONSE AND, AND AVAILABILITY IN EACH SECTOR. THAT WAS A VERY DIPLOMATIC ANSWER, CHIEF. SO, SO, PUBLIC SAFETY WISE, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO TO COVER THE AREAS THAT YOU NEED TO COVER WITH TWO INSTEAD OF FOUR OFFICERS WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH IF THE MORE OFFICERS YOU HAVE, THE MORE COVERAGE YOU CAN HAVE. BUT WITH THE TWO, WE WILL NOT HAVE THE THE ABILITY TO HAVE IT FULLY STAFFED AS WE INITIALLY PLANNED. OKAY. AND THEN I KNOW THAT THERE'S A RATIO, A TYPICAL RATIO THAT YOU HAVE SWORN OFFICERS PER HOW MANY? YOU KNOW, THOUSAND PEOPLE ARE IN A CITY. WHERE ARE WE AT ON THAT? ARE WE AHEAD OF THAT, OR ARE WE BEHIND THAT CURVE SO THAT THE PER 1000 RATIO IS SOMETHING THAT THE FBI USED TO USE TYPICALLY USE. AND IT'S IT'S A GENERALITY. OKAY. AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY. IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FIT ALL. SO WE LOOK AT DIFFERENT VARIABLES. WE LOOK AT THAT. BUT WE ALSO LOOK AT RESPONSE TIME. AND THAT THAT'S DETERMINED ON THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS YOU HAVE THE NUMBER OF QUADRANTS YOU HAVE, SECTORS YOU HAVE. AND FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'VE GOT TWO SECTORS AND YOU'VE GOT HALF WORKING DOWN SOUTH AND THE OTHER HALF WORKING UP NORTH, YOU HAVE SOME CHALLENGES BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE SEVERAL CALLS ON THE EAST SIDE. NOW THOSE OFFICERS HAVE TO DIVERT TO THE TO THE WEST SIDE. SO IF YOU HAVE YOUR SECTORS YOU CAN HAVE THOSE OFFICES ISOLATED AND TO THOSE SPECIFIC SECTORS, AND IT INCREASES RESPONSE TIME. SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE PER 1000, TO YOUR YOUR QUESTION, SOME AGENCIES HAVE ONE PER 1000, SOME HAVE TWO PER 1000. IT JUST DEPENDS I THINK IT DEPENDS ON A LOT MORE VARIABLES THAN JUST THAT. OKAY. SO YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT JUST THAT. NO, SIR. OKAY. SO SO REALLY YOU'RE LOOKING AT MORE OFFICERS. YOU HAVE THE REDUCED CALL TIME. REDUCED CALL TIME. BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT A MAJOR RESPONSE CAPABILITY, MEANING THAT IF YOU HAVE A MAJOR ACCIDENT THAT REQUIRES FOUR OFFICERS TO WORK, THAT THAT MAJOR ACCIDENT, NOW YOU'VE GOT THE LARGE PORTION OF YOUR SHIFT THAT'S WORKING. THAT OR PERFECT EXAMPLE, LIKE THE TRAGEDY WE HAD THE OTHER NIGHT. WE HAD OFFICERS ON THAT CALL, AND WE HAD TO REACH OUT TO SEE IF WE HAD OTHER OFFICERS THAT COULD COME IN OR SEE IF THE COUNTY COULD HAVE OFFICERS TO COVER. SO WE ARE OPERATING WITH THE AMOUNT OF OFFICERS WE HAVE NOW. WE ANTICIPATE WE. FEEL THAT WE ARE ABOUT A 1.5 ON A SCALE AT [03:00:06] 1.5 RATIO OF BEING ABLE TO HANDLE ONE ONE AND A HALF MAJOR INCIDENTS WITH THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT WE HAVE ON, ON SCENE. AND THAT'S A MAJOR INCIDENT LIKE WE HAD THE NIGHT THE OTHER NIGHT OR A MAJOR ACCIDENT, FOR EXAMPLE. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU CONSIDER HAVING ALL OF THOSE OFFICERS DIVERTED TO THAT, DIRECTING THE TRAFFIC AND WORKING THE ACCIDENT, SOMETIMES YOU'RE HAVING TO CALL OFFICERS IN. SO WHEN YOU'VE GOT 6 TO 7 OFFICERS AND THAT'S ON A GOOD NIGHT IF YOU'VE GOT THAT NUMBER OF OFFICERS, YOU'RE YOU'RE SOMEWHAT LIMITED. OKAY. AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT. I MEAN, WE ARE A DEPARTMENT THAT WILL KEEP OUR SHOULDER TO THE BOULDER AND KEEP PUSHING UNTIL WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN HAVE YOU KNOW, THAT THAT OPPORTUNITY TO EXHALE. YEP. I BELIEVE IT. THERE WERE ALSO A COUPLE OF ADMINS THAT YOU HAD ASKED FOR. SO MY GUESS IS WITHOUT THOSE ADMINS WHO'S DOING THE ADMIN WORK? THE OFFICERS WE WILL CONTINUE DOING. YES, WE WILL CONTINUE DOING WHAT WE NEED TO. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. CHIEF JONES HAS SAID SOMETHING SINCE I CAME HERE AND HIS STATEMENT WAS, NO JOBS, NOT OURS. AND THAT'S WHY SOMETIMES YOU WILL FIND IF WE DON'T HAVE A RECEPTIONIST, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'LL FIND AN OFFICER WORKING THERE. OR THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN MISS EDNA, WHO DOES A WIDE RANGE OF OF DUTIES, SHE'S PROBABLY DOING THE JOB OF TWO AND A HALF PEOPLE. YOU'LL FIND HER WORKING UP FRONT, OR YOU'LL IF IT GETS REALLY BAD, YOU'LL SEE SOME OF OUR COMMAND STAFF WORKING UP FRONT, ANSWERING CALLS AND, AND AND GREETING CITIZENS WHEN THEY COME IN. IT'S WHAT WE DO. AND WE'RE WE'RE NOT GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO. BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT IF YOU ASK. AND SO THOSE TWO POSITIONS WOULD BE VERY VALUABLE TO US. BUT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THE VALUE AND THE NEEDS THAT EVERYONE ELSE IN THE CITY HAS. AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO. FEEL LIKE WE. HAVE TO BE TRYING TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN HOW I SAY I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT THE ONES THAT THAT PEOPLE LOOK AT AND SAY, WELL, LET'S MAKE SURE WE FUND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IF THAT COSTS TAKING SOMETHING FROM OTHERS, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH PUBLIC WORKS OR WITH STREETS. THERE ARE. PUBLIC SAFETY DUTIES THAT THEY DO WITH THEIR STAFF. THAT ALLEVIATES SOME ISSUES THAT WE WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'VE GOT POTHOLES. FOR PERFECT EXAMPLE, IF YOU'VE GOT POTHOLES AND YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE TRYING TO DIVERT AROUND THOSE THINGS, YOU INCREASE THE LIKELIHOOD OF ACCIDENTS. AND NOW WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE GOING OUT THERE ANYWAY. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE OUR WE HAVE PARKS, YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC WORKS, YOU HAVE THE STREETS, YOU HAVE ENGINEERING, YOU HAVE THEM TAKING CARE OF, OF SOME OF THE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ALLEVIATES SOME OF THE DUTIES THAT WE WOULD OTHERWISE BE DIVERTED TO. SURE. SO IF YOU HAD TWO ADDITIONAL ADMINS, WOULD THAT ENABLE YOU TO PUT MORE COPS OUT ON THE STREET FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME? IT WOULD IT WOULD ALLOW SOME OF OUR OFFICERS WHO ARE CURRENTLY DOING SOME OF THEIR OWN ADMIN DUTIES. IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THE LUXURY TO DO THEIR JOBS. BUT AGAIN, WHAT WE DO IS NOTHING NEW TO US, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IN THE CITY HAS WHAT THEY NEED. AND EVERYONE MAKES A SACRIFICE AND WE'RE WILLING TO DO THE SAME. I GUESS THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN, RIGHT? IS THAT THE WAY I SEE IT AND THE WAY I'M UNDERSTANDING IT, IS THAT CURRENTLY NOW YOUR ADMINS ARE WAY OVERWORKED. THEY'VE GOT MORE WORK THAN THEY CAN HANDLE. AND SO YOU HAVE POLICE OFFICERS DOING ADMIN WORK, AND SO YOU'RE PAYING A POLICE OFFICER AND A POLICE OFFICER'S SALARY TO DO ADMIN WORK. AND THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT OUT ON THE STREET. THEY'RE NOT BEING A POLICE OFFICER. THEY'RE BEING AN ADMIN. AND SO NOT ONLY IS IT TAKING AWAY FROM THEIR PRIMARY DUTIES AND THEY'RE NOT OUT ON THE STREET, THEY'RE NOT PROTECTING THE CITIZENS. THEY'RE DOING ADMIN WORK. AND WE'RE WE'RE BASICALLY GOT A VERY OVERPAID ADMIN. AND SO THAT'S I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I SEE. THAT'S WHAT I SEE. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE ROOT OF MY QUESTION IS. YES, SIR. YOU KNOW, I GET IT. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK WITH, WITH TWO PATROL OFFICERS INSTEAD OF FOUR. BUT THE ADMINS, TO ME, IT'S, IT'S A COST SAVINGS BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE GOT OFFICERS WHO CAN BE OUT ON THE STREET AND WHO CAN BE PAID TO BE POLICE OFFICERS BEING POLICE OFFICERS RATHER THAN DOING SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T MAKE WHAT A PATROL OFFICER DOES TO DO THE ADMIN WORK. YES, SIR. SO MAY I ADD A LITTLE QUESTION HERE? FOR THE YOU SAID FOR THE FOUR QUADRANTS, IT WOULD BE PREFERRED OR MORE ADVANTAGEOUS TO [03:05:03] HAVE FOUR OFFICERS INSTEAD OF THE TWO, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT BEING ABLE TO NOT NECESSARILY STAFF APPROPRIATELY, BUT NOT STAFF AS MUCH TIME. THAT'S AN ACCURATE STATEMENT. SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT THE GOAL IS TO HAVE FOUR OFFICERS TOTAL TO CURRENTLY AND THEN THE TWO ADDITIONAL. SO MY QUESTION IS IS FOR YOU TO TO BE ON KIND OF A YOUR PLAN GOING FORWARD IS THOSE ADDITIONAL TWO OFFICERS THAT AREN'T GRANTED THIS BUDGET CYCLE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED IN 6 TO 12 MONTHS, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PUSHED OUT 12 TO 18 MONTHS OR AND AGAIN, NOT TO HOLD YOU TO ANY OF THIS, JUST YOUR YOUR FEEL AND YOUR EXPERIENCE? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I EXPLAIN IS, AGAIN, WE UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE POSITION THAT WE ARE IN AS A CITY AND WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO BE THAT ADVOCATE FOR OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS. WE'RE GOING TO BE ADVOCATES FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WE'RE GOING TO BE ADVOCATES FOR OURSELVES. ARE WE AT ARE WE AT FULL STAFF? YES. ARE THE NUMBERS WHERE WE CAN HAVE BREATHING ROOM? AS A DEPARTMENT? NO. DO WE EXPECT THE COUNCIL TO GIVE US THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT WE FEEL THAT WOULD GIVE US THE. ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE? NO, WE'RE NOT EXPECTING THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE. BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE COME UP WITH A PLAN OF ACTION. AND WE'RE WE'RE ANTICIPATING ADDING INCREMENTALLY AND IN CONSIDERATION OF WHAT EVERYONE ELSE NEEDS SO THAT WE CAN WE CAN MAKE THOSE STRIDES AS WE GROW TOGETHER. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS WE HAVE, DO I THINK WE'RE WE'RE FULL STAFF, BUT I THINK WE'RE UNDERSTAFFED FOR THE QUALITY, THE NEEDS AND THE DEMANDS IN A MODERN CITY AND MODERN SOCIETY. WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE CALL VOLUME, WE HAVE THE TIME INTENSIVE CALLS THAT AN INDIVIDUAL OFFICER OR MULTIPLE OFFICERS HAVE TO GO OUT ON ON A DAILY BASIS. SO BUT WE DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO, AND WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS THAT IF WE NEED ASSISTANCE, THEY PROVIDE ASSISTANCE BECAUSE WE'RE PROVIDING ASSISTANCE TO THEM AS WELL AT TIMES. SO TO PARAPHRASE OR TO SUMMARIZE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE GOING FORWARD AND WAITING. MAYBE THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE TO GETTING THESE EXTRA TWO OFFICERS TO HELP YOU MEET THIS FOUR SECTOR BENEFIT OR CAPABILITY. WE FEEL IT'S NECESSARY. WE FEEL IT'S NECESSARY. YES, SIR. AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS, AND THIS MAY BE MORE FOR CITY MANAGER, I SEE QUITE A FEW OF THESE VACANCIES. POLICE OFFICER, POLICE OFFICER THAT ARE ZEROED OUT FROM 25 TO 26. I THINK I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE IN THE PDF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, IS THERE WAS SOME HICCUP THAT HAPPENED IN THE IF YOU LOOK AT THE THE NUMBER BEFORE THE POLICE OFFICER, IT HAS LIKE A FOUR DIGIT NUMBER. BUT BEFORE ONE OF THOSE SALARIES, YOU WILL LIKELY FIND THAT SAME 6001 6 OR 0 ONE IF YOU GO DOWN. THEY GOT ALL THE POSITIONS RESTATED. YEAH. SOMETHING HAPPENED. IT DOESN'T GOT WIPED. YOU DON'T SEE IT WHENEVER YOU'RE IN THE THE LIVE VERSION, YOU ONLY SEE IT ON PRINTED OUT ON THE PDF. OKAY. IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S A VACANCY. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THAT WE THAT WE ELIMINATED. NO, SIR. I ONLY ELIMINATED THE THREE POSITIONS THAT I, THAT I DISCLOSED TO Y'ALL. THAT'S ALL I NEED. THANK YOU. YEP. SO, CHIEF, WHAT IS. OH, SORRY. I'M SORRY. SO, CHIEF, WHAT'S THE WHAT IS THE WHAT ARE THE TECHNOLOGY COMPONENTS AND THAT WHAT ARE THE TECHNOLOGY COMPONENTS TO OFFICERS THAT ARE GOING TO. THE TECHNOLOGY COMPONENTS THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN THE BUDGET, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO AFFECT THE EFFICIENCY AND THE COMMUNICATION DURING, DURING INCIDENTS, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THE THE FOR REPLACEMENT COMMAND VEHICLES IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. YOU KNOW, WHAT IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT COMMAND PRESENCE AND THOSE VEHICLES AREN'T BEING REPLACED, BUT ALSO THE TECHNOLOGY COMPONENT IN THOSE VEHICLES. HOW IS THAT GOING TO IS THAT GOING TO DISRUPT EFFICIENCY AND POTENTIAL COMMUNICATION DURING INCIDENTS? WE WE FACE MANY CHALLENGES. FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES WE'VE GOT AND THE NUMBER OF POOL CARS WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A TRAGIC ACCIDENT A FEW DAYS AGO. THAT VEHICLE IS OUT OF SERVICE. [03:10:01] SO WE'RE HAVING TO TAKE FROM A POOL VEHICLE. WE'VE GOT WE HAD A RADIO SYSTEMS BEING PROGRAMED A COUPLE DAYS AGO, AND SOME OF THE RADIOS ARE OUTDATED. AND THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE WITH THAT IS MOTOROLA IS THE PROVIDER. THEY'RE THE SOLE PROVIDER. AND SO THEY HAVE THEY'RE PROUD OF WHAT THEY SELL. AND SO WHEN WE HAVE RADIOS, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IN MY VEHICLE, IT'S A IT'S A 2024. IT'S GOT A RADIO IN IT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OLDER THAT THEY WON'T THEY CAN'T PROGRAM. SO WE'RE HAVING TO USE IT WITHOUT BEING PROGRAMED UNTIL WE CAN GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN PURCHASE THOSE ITEMS. SO WE DO HAVE CHALLENGES, BUT WHAT WE DO IS WORK THROUGH THOSE CHALLENGES BECAUSE WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE AS A CITY. WE KNOW THAT OUR NEEDS ARE NOT THE ONLY NEEDS. SO AS AS PARTNERS IN WHAT WE DO, WE DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO UNTIL WE CAN DO BETTER. YEAH, THAT'S JUST A LITTLE CONCERNING THAT IN YOUR ANSWER, I DIDN'T REALLY HEAR A REMEDY VERSUS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO TRY AND DO WHAT WE DO. THAT DOESN'T INSTILL, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY OR, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF CONFIDENCE. CONFIDENCE RIGHT THERE. WHAT'S THE RISK? OR, YOU KNOW, OFFICER MORALE, IF SPECIALIZED ROLES LIKE THE CRISIS INTERVENTION SPECIALIST OR THE CRISIS INTERVENTION TEAM OFFICER IS NOT ADDED, I KNOW WE HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. JUST THE OTHER NIGHT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL MENTAL HEALTH SITUATION. WHAT IS THE WHAT'S THE RISK TO, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY TRUST OFFICER MORALE? BECAUSE I'M SURE A LOT OF THESE OFFICERS AREN'T TRAINED IN, YOU KNOW, CRISIS INTERVENTION NOT HAVING A SPECIALIZED ROLE LIKE THAT. WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE DETRIMENT THERE? ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THAT, I THINK THE PUBLIC MAY NOT SEE IT, BUT WE SEE THE THE BENEFIT OF IT. MEANING THAT IF YOU'VE IF WE HAD AN OFFICER THAT WAS A MENTAL HEALTH OFFICER THAT WAS ASSIGNED TO A CRISIS INTERVENTION TEAM WITH OUR CRISIS SUPPORT SPECIALISTS, WHEN THEY'RE GOING OUT ON CALLS OR THEY'RE GOING OUT ON HOUSE VISITS, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AN OFFICER DIVERT FROM A PATROL OFFICER TO DIVERT AND GO AND PROVIDE THEM THE SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED. THAT OFFICER THAT WOULD BE ASSIGNED IS AN OFFICER THAT'S THAT'S WELL TRAINED IN CRISIS INTERVENTION, MENTAL HEALTH, HIS MENTAL HEALTH OFFICER, HE UNDERSTANDS MENTAL HEALTH, FIRST AID AND HE WORKS WITH HE WOULD WORK WITH THOSE THE PROFESSIONAL STAFF FOR THE CRISIS SUPPORT AND PROVIDE THEM THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT PIECE OF THEIR OF THEIR, THEIR, THEIR CRAFT AND SO THAT'S WHAT SO WITHOUT THAT, WE'RE STILL GOING TO PROVIDE AN OFFICE WHEN NEEDED. BUT WE'LL BE TAKING THAT OFFICER FROM PATROL AND, AND GOING OUT AS NEEDED WHEN CRISIS SUPPORTS ON THE SCENE. OKAY. AND THEN DO WE HAVE ANY METRICS ON WHENEVER WE HAVE A WHENEVER WE HAVE SERVICE SLOWDOWNS? DO WE HAVE ANY METRICS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ISSUE IS REGARDING PUBLIC SAFETY OR, OR STAFFING? WHENEVER, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THOSE SERVICE SLOWDOWNS, DO WE HAVE ANY METRICS AROUND THAT? AND WHEN YOU SAY SERVICE SLOWDOWNS, WHAT? SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, CALLS COMING IN, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE OFFICERS OUT ON THE STREET. DO WE HAVE METRICS ON, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS? DO WE HAVE METRICS ON, YOU KNOW, THE SPEEDING, I GUESS, I GUESS TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS, I GUESS ANY SORT OF PETTY THEFT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO SHOWCASE? YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALLOCATING TIME AND RESOURCES HERE. BUT ON THE BACK END THIS IS WHAT'S SUFFERING. SO I'M FOLLOWING WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. SO AS FAR AS US TRACKING, SAY SPECIFICALLY, WE HAVE A A THEFT IN PROGRESS AT LOWE'S. WE KNOW WHAT WHAT OUR RESPONSE TIME IS TO THAT. BUT WE ALSO CAN DETERMINE WHEN IT'S DELAYED. SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, IF OFFICERS ARE ON A, ON A PRIORITY ONE CALL AND YOU GET A SHOPLIFTING CALL WHERE SOME SOMEONE WALKED OUT OF THE CIRCLE K WITH SOME ITEMS, THEN THOSE OFFICERS ARE GOING TO MAKE THAT MEASURABLE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE TO DIVERT, AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO DIVERT, THEY WILL EITHER SEE IF THERE'S ANOTHER AGENCY THAT CAN RESPOND IF IT'S THAT IMPORTANT, OR WHEN THEY FINISH, OR IF THERE'S ANOTHER OFFICER IN ANOTHER SECTOR, THEY WILL CROSS OVER AND TAKE CARE OF THAT. SO WE WE ADAPT. WE LEARN TO ADAPT TO A VARIETY OF SITUATIONS. AND SOMETIMES THAT THAT METRIC, THAT MATRIX OR THAT MEASURABLE IS SEEN IN THE RESPONSE TIME DELAY. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT REALLY IT'S NOT REALLY CONCRETE BUT IT'S MORE DAY TO DAY. [03:15:07] OKAY. RIGHT. UNDERSTOOD. I MEAN AGAIN, HEARING IN YOUR ANSWER THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CONFIDENCE THERE. AND SO YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THAT INSIGHT. YES, SIR. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTIONS. AND HERE'S THE THING. YOU KNOW, WE DEFINITELY ARE CONFIDENT AND COMPETENT IN WHAT WE DO. AND SO WE WELL, YOU HAVE TO BE TO, TO, TO CONTINUE TO ADAPT TO MULTIPLE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, THINGS BEING THROWN YOUR WAY. YOU HAVE TO BE CONFIDENT AND COMPETENT SO AND SO AND WE ADJUST AS WE NEED TO BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MAY BE LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE PUT OUR SHOULDER TO THE BOULDER AND IT'S NOT GOING TO ALWAYS BE THAT WAY. SOMETIMES YOU'RE GOING TO AT SOME POINT YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU SAY ALL RIGHT, WE GOT THE RESOURCES BECAUSE WE, WE, WE FELT THAT BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD OFFICERS ADDED TO THE DEPARTMENT LAST YEAR. WE HAD OFFICERS ADDED THE YEAR BEFORE. SO THAT PROVIDED RELIEF. BUT ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THAT IS THE CITY'S GROWING. THE CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE GROWING, AND THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS ARE NOT QUITE KEEPING UP WITH THAT AT THIS POINT. BUT THAT'S A CHALLENGE THAT MANY AGENCIES ARE FEELING AS WELL. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. JUST KIND OF TO PIGGYBACK ON COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON'S ON THOSE RADIOS. I SEE A COUPLE OF LINE ITEMS HERE. EXISTING FTES FOR COMMUNICATION EQUIPMENTS OF 9800 800 AND THEN ON PERSON. OH THESE ARE NEW FEES OF 17,000 FOR ON PERSON RADIOS. AND THEN IN CAR RADIOS WHICH IS NEW AND REPLACEMENT VEHICLES IS ANOTHER ALMOST 22,000. DOES THAT IS THAT ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH SOME OF THE OLDER, OUTDATED RADIOS YOU HAVE? YES, IT ADDRESSES SOME. IT DOESN'T ADDRESS ALL. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT EACH OFFICER YOU'RE TYPICALLY PROVIDED TWO RADIOS THAT'S YOUR HANDHELD AND YOUR IN-CAR. SO YOU'RE HAVING TO PROGRAM BOTH. YOU'RE HAVING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR BOTH. AND IF MOTOROLA GETS TO A POINT WHERE THEY'RE NO LONGER SERVICING A RADIO, WHAT WE'LL DO IS STILL CONTINUE TO USE THAT RADIO UNTIL THAT RADIO IS NO LONGER USABLE. AND THEN BY THAT TIME, WE'RE ANTICIPATING HAVING THE FUNDS TO GET THE MOST RECENT RADIOS AND HAVE THOSE REFRESHED AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. DO YOU KNOW THOSE RADIOS? LAST, I FEEL LIKE WE. SINCE I'VE BEEN UP HERE. HOW MUCH? THEY HAVE A 20 YEAR LIFESPAN. WE JUST BOUGHT ALL NEW ONES. LIKE WHAT, THREE YEARS AGO? BUT TYPICALLY YOU'LL FIND WITH MOTOROLA, THEY'LL COME OUT WITH THEIR UPGRADED RADIOS AND, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY HIT SEVEN YEARS AND THEN THEY NO LONGER WILL SERVICE THOSE RADIOS. AND YOU'LL HAVE TO TO GO OUT AND GET NEW MODERN RADIOS. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'LL, THAT WE FACE. RIGHT. WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS SINCE I'VE BEEN UP HERE, WE BOUGHT AN ENTIRE DEPARTMENT. IT WAS LIKE 3 OR $400,000 IN THE LAST 3 OR 4 YEARS, IS THERE? AND I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT. DID WE BUY RADIOS ALREADY? A COUPLE LIFE CYCLES, OLD AND, YOU KNOW, OLD VERSIONS, OR. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE WHEN I START HEARING THAT, I'M LIKE, DANG, WE JUST I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK. SO IT WAS BEFORE YOU GOT HERE. YEAH. SO EACH RADIO IS LIKE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF LIKE $4,500, SO IT ADDS UP. OH WELL, LAST TIME I LOOKED, IT ADDS UP REALLY QUICKLY. THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE. SO THOSE NUMBERS GET REALLY BIG REALLY FAST. WE DID JUST DO THE CAMERAS TOO. THAT'S ANOTHER THING. I MEAN, NOT ME SAYING IT, RIGHT? SINCE WE'VE BEEN UP HERE, I'VE BEEN UP HERE TO FIND A YEAR. WE BOUGHT EVERY EVERY RADIO GOT REPLACED LAST YEAR WE HAD 100 AND NOT LAST YEAR. I MEAN, JUST IN THE TIME I'VE BEEN UP HERE. YES, SIR. IT WAS AFTER HALL, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS STEWART OR WYNN, BUT I'LL HAVE TO LOOK. BUT EVERY RADIO GOT REPLACED. IT WAS LIKE 3 OR $400,000. IT WAS LIKE, HOLY COW. AND IT WAS THE SAME THING, KIND OF OLD TECH. THEY STOPPED SERVICING THEM. AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, WELL, OKAY, OLD RADIOS. AND THEN TO KNOW THAT JUST A FEW YEARS LATER, POTENTIALLY WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OLD RADIOS. THEY'RE NOT SERVICING ANYMORE. IT'S LIKE, OKAY, DID WE BUY RADIOS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BUYING AT 20, 22 MODELS TO SAVE MONEY WHEN WE SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MICROSOFT'S THE SAME WAY. AFTER A WHILE THEY STOP. SO I'LL LOOK IT UP AND I'LL GET IT TO YOU. BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S THINGS THAT STICK IN MY MIND. IT'S BEEN WITHIN THE LAST SIX YEARS, AND IT WASN'T EXACTLY SIX YEARS AGO IT WOULD HAVE HAD TO BEEN THE LAST FIVE. BUT ANOTHER ISSUE IS WHENEVER YOU WHEN YOU DO A WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT LIKE THAT, WELL THEN GUESS WHAT? THEY ALL GET STOPPED BEING SERVICED AT THE EXACT SAME TIME. SO THEN YOU GOT TO DO ANOTHER WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT. SO I'D, I'D RATHER US CONTINUALLY REPLACE RADIOS AND LET THEM CYCLE RATHER THAN HAVE EVERYTHING BE THE SAME THING. YEAH, I HEAR YOU. AS LONG AS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS. YES, SIR. SO HERE'S HERE'S MY QUESTION. I AGREE WITH SOME OF WHAT COUNCILMAN GORDON IS SAYING, BUT I MAY WATCH TOO MUCH BLUE BUDS. OKAY. BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY THERE. [03:20:01] AND WHEN I DO RIDE ALONGS, IT SEEMS LIKE THE OFFICERS ARE EXTREMELY THEY ALMOST TYPE FASTER THAN MY WIFE WHO'S AN ADMIN BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS A REPORT SPELLING ALL THAT STUFF. YES, SIR. SO HERE'S MY QUESTION. IS IT DEMEANING TO THE OFFICERS. IF YOU SAID, LOOK, IF I SAID I DON'T LIKE ADMINS SOMETIMES BECAUSE ADMINS MAKE ALMOST WHAT POLICE OFFICERS MAKE AND YOU'VE GOT TWO RIGHT. ASSISTANTS, ADMINS. ONE IS MAKING MORE THAN OFFICERS, ONE IS MAKING LESS. AND SO I'M NOT DIMINISHING THEIR WORK WHEN I SAY THIS. BUT THIS IS COMING FROM LOVE AND I'M GOING TO GET BEAT UP AT HOME. YOU GUYS TO BE OVER THERE. BUT TO ME, IF WE COULD PAY 20 GRAND MORE AND HAVE AN OFFICER THAT MAYBE IS, YOU KNOW, HEY, MY BACK'S KILLING ME FROM CARRYING ALL THIS WEIGHT. IT'S NOT MY THING ANYMORE. I WANT TO GET OUT OF THE FIELD, BUT IT'S LIKE. YEAH, BUT YOU'RE LICENSED, YOU'RE TRAINED AND ALL THAT. IF THERE'S A WAY TO EXTEND THEIR CAREER BY HAVING IT BE MORE AT THE DESK AS OPPOSED TO BEING OUT ON THE STREETS, I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH THE MONEY TO HAVE A PERSON WHO MAYBE DOESN'T HAVE THE FULL GEAR ALL THE TIME, BUT THEY CARRY A WEAPON THEY'RE IF YOU CALL IT ADMIN WORK, WHICH I THINK A LOT OF IT IS THE SAME WORK EVERYBODY'S DOING. THEY'RE JUST TAKING ON MORE. BUT TO ME, I WOULD FIND A BENEFIT IN ADDING OFFICERS AND NOT ADMINS TO WHERE THE ADMINS ARE OFFICERS. AND I SAY BLUE BLOODS BECAUSE IF YOU EVER WATCH IT, THE CHIEF, HIS ASSISTANT, WAS A SERGEANT AND SHE COULD CARRY HER OWN. AND NOT SAYING YOUR ADMINS CAN'T, BUT I'VE EVEN THOUGHT THE SAME THING. I BROUGHT IT BEFORE IN OUR CITY HALL THAT IF WE HAVE AN ADMIN SPOT, OPEN UP. SOME OF THE ADMINS HERE MAKE MORE THAN OFFICERS AND I'M LIKE THE COPS PUTTING HER LIFE IN DANGER EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND AN ADMIN DOES IMPORTANT WORK, BUT THEIR LIFE'S NOT IN DANGER BASED ON THE OFFICE WORK. AND SO IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? IF IT'S DOING THE STUFF THE ADMINS DO, WHICH A LOT OF IT IS. I MEAN, IT'S NOT THE FULL JOB OF AN OFFICER, BUT A LOT OF IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE TYPING, THE UNDERSTANDING HOW TO ALL THESE PROGRAMS WORK. THEN I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT INSTEAD OF PEOPLE RETIRING AND GETTING OUT, IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE HAVE A SPOT FOR YOU, CAN YOU COME TO CITY HALL? AND THEN INSTEAD OF HIRING SECURITY HERE, YOU HAVE A PERSON WHO STILL TRAINED EVERYTHING DONE, AND IF IT COSTS AN EXTRA $10,000, THEN YOU HAVE A PERSON WHO'S CARRYING A WEAPON AND A BADGE AND TRAIN. SO I SAY ALL THAT A LONG WAY TO SAY, I'D LIKE US TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AND YOU HAVE TO SAY IT HERE. WE CAN TALK LATER. IS IT DEMEANING TO SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO HIRE ADMINS? WE'RE GOING TO HIRE OFFICERS, AND THEY MAY YOU GUYS MAY DO MORE ADMIN WORK OR THE SAME LEVEL, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE BECAUSE MAYBE WE WANT IF WE HAVE A MAJOR INCIDENT IN A CITY, THE WHOLE POLICE STATION IS UNLOADING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAINED READY TO GO, AS OPPOSED TO SOME PEOPLE GOING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. I'LL JUST STAY HERE BECAUSE, LIKE, MY WIFE WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO IN AN EMERGENCY. BUT IF I WAS GETTING READY TO RETIRE, I MIGHT, YOU KNOW, HAVE A COUPLE MORE YEARS IF I DON'T HAVE TO RIDE AROUND. SO I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE OFFICERS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FOUR QUADRANTS. I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT CALL LAG TIME AND ALL THAT BECAUSE THERE'S AND EVERYTHING. EVERYBODY COMPLAINS ABOUT IT. IT HASN'T BEEN YOU GUYS NOT HITTING CALLS, BUT WE KEEP ADDING MORE BUSINESSES. MORE ISSUES ARE COMING UP. IT'S JUST GETTING TO BE A BIGGER CITY. BUT ALSO I STRUGGLE WHEN PEOPLE WHO DON'T PUT THEIR LIFE IN DANGER ON A DAILY BASIS ARE GETTING PAID WHAT PEOPLE WHO ARE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A MIDDLE, BUT YES, SIR, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT, MAYOR. AND I'LL PUT I'LL PROVIDE SOME CLARITY ON THAT. SO THERE ARE OFFICERS WHO RETIRE AND THEY LOOK FOR OTHER DUTIES. IN FACT, WE HAVE ONE. THE THE DIFFERENCE IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN OFFICER THAT RETIRES AND THAT OFFICER IS GOING TO CARRY A WEAPON, THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET THE SAME STANDARDS THAT WE MEET. AND SO NOW YOU'VE GOT AN AND THEY HAVE TO MEET THE SAME PHYSICAL TRAINING. THEY HAVE TO MEET THE SAME STATE MANDATED TRAININGS. AND NOW YOU'VE GOT AN OFFICER THAT WAS, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, 25, 30 YEARS AND THEY'VE RETIRED AND NOW THEY'RE HAVING TO GO AND LEARN THE SYSTEMS. THEY'RE HAVING TO GO LEARN NEIGHBORS. THEY HAVE TO GO AND LEARN. THE CHAPTER 59 ASSET FORFEITURES. THEY'RE THEY'RE HAVING TO GO AND LEARN HOW TO BE A EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT FOR LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, OUR OUR EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT DOES ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, SERVES AS THE EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT FOR NOT JUST THE CHIEF, BUT THE CHIEF AND ALL OF COMMAND STAFF, IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE DAILY DUTIES THAT THAT POSITION HOLDS. SO IF YOU GO TO ANY AGENCY, TYPICALLY ANY AGENCY, OUR SIZE OR LARGER, THE DUTIES THAT OUR EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT HANDLES, THE. BEING THE EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT FOR ME WOULD BE ONE POSITION. THE EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT FOR THE COMMAND STAFF WOULD BE ANOTHER POSITION HANDLING THE NIBRS THE RACIAL PROFILING, THE ASSET FORFEITURE, THE DAY TO DAY DUTIES [03:25:01] AND RESPONSIBILITIES INSIDE THE DEPARTMENT, SUPERVISING YOUR YOUR YOUR ARE NON-SWORN PROFESSIONALS. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE DUTIES THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL DOES. AND THAT'S JUST A SMALL A SMALL SEGMENT. SO HAVING AN OFFICER THAT'S RETIRED DOING THAT I THINK I'M NOT SAYING ACTUALLY RETIRED. YES, SIR. PEOPLE WHO SAY I'M TIRED. YES. I DON'T WANT TO DRIVE AROUND AND DO ALL THAT. AND THE ONLY THING I WAS THINKING IS IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU WERE SAYING IF YOU HAD SOME ASSISTANCE, THAT'S LESS WORK FOR THE OFFICERS, MORE TIME IN THE FIELD. AND THAT'S WHERE I THOUGHT POTENTIALLY, IF IT'S SAVING TIME AND IT COSTS YOU AN EXTRA 20 GRAND, WHY NOT HAVE A PERSON WHO IS JUST TIRED OF RIDING IN A CAR 12 HOURS A DAY AND WANTS TO HAVE AN EIGHT HOUR, AN EIGHT HOUR JOB THAT CAN STILL PASS ALL THE TESTS PROFICIENTLY? YEAH, YOU DON'T WANT A PERSON WITH A GUN THAT CAN'T HIT A TARGET FROM 20FT AWAY. RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I'M THINKING. YES, SIR. IN TERMS OF THAT, NOT TO TAKE AWAY EVERY POSITION, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO ADD PEOPLE LIKE WE HAVE NO SECURITY IN CITY HALL. AND SO FOR YOU GUYS TO GET OVER HERE, IT'S PROBABLY A 15 MINUTE DRIVE WITH LIGHTS, ASSUMING THERE'S NO TRAIN. BUT YES, SIR. YOU KNOW, SO I JUST BRING THAT UP. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE A WAY TO GET YOU OFFICERS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADD, YOU KNOW, 4 OR 5 BODIES TO A DEPARTMENT. BUT YES, SIR. BY THE WAY, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY NOTES. SORRY. I DIDN'T HAVE ANY NOTES. I WAS AFRAID TO ADD AN EIGHT PAGES TO PUT ANYTHING ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, SO I, I SKIPPED WHEN I HIT THAT, I JUST SKIPPED AND THEN STARTED BACK UP. NO WORRIES, SIR. THROW THAT OUT THERE. ONE MORE QUESTION. YES, SIR. BASED ON THIS LAUNDRY LIST OF CUTS, WHICH OF THESE POSED THE GREATEST THREAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICER SAFETY IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION? YOU KNOW, THIS IS A THIS IS A LOT OF CUTS. I THINK THAT'S A THAT'S A A CHALLENGING QUESTION. BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO OFFICER SAFETY, A LARGE AMOUNT OF THAT COMES FROM TRAINING. IT COMES FROM THE STAFFING THAT YOU HAVE. IT COMES FROM KNOWING YOUR ENVIRONMENT THROUGH YOUR THROUGH THE FIELD TRAINING AND GETTING OUT AND BEING VISIBLE AND KNOWING YOUR COMMUNITY. THE LARGE MAJORITY OF THE THINGS THAT WE ASKED FOR INCREASED EFFICIENCY, THEY DO INCREASE OFFICER SAFETY IN SOME ASPECTS, BUT IT I GUESS IT'S LIKE I CAN GET TO ROUND ROCK BY WALKING. I CAN GET TO ROUND ROCK BY RIDING A HORSE. I CAN GET TO ROUND ROCK BY DRIVING A BUGATTI, YOU KNOW. SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW FAST YOU WANT TO GET TO ROUND ROCK AND HOW EFFICIENT DO YOU WANT TO GET THERE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT SOME OF THESE SOLUTIONS HELP US TO DO IT. IT HELPS TO INCREASE EFFICIENCY IN SOME OF THOSE REQUESTS THAT WE HAD INCREASED EFFICIENCY. IT IT CREATES OFFICER SAFETY IN SOME ASPECTS, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S A CARTE BLANCHE. SAFETY COMPONENT TO WHERE WITHOUT IT, WE ARE VULNERABLE. EXTREMELY VULNERABLE. I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT IT IT ADDS THOSE LAYERS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE ONE LAYER LAYER OF THEIR LAYER. I TELL PEOPLE THAT THERE ARE LEVELS TO THIS GAME. AND AND IN ORDER TO BE SUPER GOOD AT WHAT YOU DO, BATMAN HAD MORE THAN ONE TWO. IT WAS FOR A REASON BECAUSE YOU FACE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS AND CIRCUMSTANCES. SO THE TOOLS AND THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE ASK FOR HELP US IN CERTAIN AREAS THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT UNDERSTAND. EVEN IF YOU EXPLAIN IT BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU MAY NOT UNDERSTAND UNLESS YOU'VE EXPERIENCED IT. AND SO WE KNOW THE THE VALUE OF THE THINGS WE ASK, AND THAT'S WHY WE ASKED FOR THEM. AND IF WE DON'T GET THEM, WE'LL CONTINUE DOING WHAT WE DO BECAUSE WE'RE FUNCTIONING NOW. SOME THINGS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU CONSIDER NEEDS YOU WILL CONTINUE DOING IT. BUT SOME THINGS MAY NOT BE SUSTAINABLE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. AND YOU JUST YOU DETERMINE THAT AS YOU CONTINUE TO, TO PUSH FORWARD. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AS A, AS A, AS A, AS A DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WE KNOW WHERE OUR PRIORITIES LIE. OUR PRIORITIES LIE IN KEEPING MAKING SURE WE MAINTAIN THE SAFEST COMMUNITY, NOT ONLY IN TEXAS BUT IN THE COUNTRY. AND WE DO THAT WITH WHATEVER IT TAKES. BY WHATEVER. WHATEVER MEANS IT TAKES. THANK YOU. IS IT APPROPRIATE TO SHARE IT? NOT WHERE THE COMMENT CAME FROM, BUT THE COMMENT ABOUT THE GOOD JOB WE'VE BEEN DOING. WHAT'S THAT SIR? IS IT APPROPRIATE TO SHARE THE COMMENT? NOT WHERE IT CAME FROM, BUT WHAT THE COMMENT WAS ABOUT. THE GOOD JOB WE'VE BEEN DOING. I'M FINE WITH THAT. SO THIS IS SHARED WITH ME. COME IN, COME IN. BASICALLY, ALL OF US. THAT SOMEONE OUT THERE IN THE IN THE LEO FIELD THEY WERE DEBATING. [03:30:05] IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE DEBATING ABOUT PAY IN THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES AROUND THE AREA. AND THEY SAID PAY IS OFF THE CHARTS. 15% NIGHT SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL, 25 MILE. TAKE HOME OUTER CARRIERS AND YOU CAN CHASE. YOU CAN BE A COP THERE. SO YOU FEEL PRETTY GOOD BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW MUCH SOME OF THAT MEANT. LIKE EVEN THE CHASING, HOW MUCH THAT MEANT TO OFFICERS DIDN'T TO KNOW. BUT I THINK THAT'S WHY WE DEBATE SO MUCH UP HERE, IS TO TRY TO GET YOU GUYS WHAT YOU NEED TO. IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT YOUR LIFE ON THE LINE, THEN YOU OUGHT TO TRY TO GET YOU EVERYTHING WE CAN. OKAY. NEXT ONE I HAD WAS FOR IT, BUT THE FIRST ITEM ON THERE IS, IS AFFECTS PD WHICH IS THE THE PD IT SPECIALIST, THAT ONE DIDN'T GET FUNDED. AND SO JUST HAD A QUESTION ON WHAT IMPACT DOES THAT HAVE? I KNOW YOU HAVE ONE A SINGLE PERSON WHO DOES ALL THE IT WORK FOR YOU? I'M GUESSING YOU ASKED FOR A SECOND ONE BECAUSE HE'S OVERLOADED. I MEAN, WHAT IS THIS GOING TO DO TO YOUR DEPARTMENT? HAVING HIM GO ANOTHER YEAR WITHOUT ANY HELP? DAVID REEVES, I.T MANAGER. WE ARE HAVE CONCERNED ABOUT OVERLOADING THAT RESOURCE. HE DOES A GREAT JOB, BUT THE PD CONTINUES TO EXPAND, AND WE NEED THEM TO EXPAND. AND AS WE KNOW, THEIR FLEET IS GETTING OLDER. SO THAT'S CHALLENGES TO WORK ON THE HARDWARE IN THE CARS AND SUCH. AND WE WANT TO HAVE MORE SUPPORT ACROSS MULTIPLE STAFFS, MULTIPLE SHIFTS I'M SORRY. WHICH IT'S TOUGH TO DO WITH ONE PERSON. HE DOES SOME OF THAT. HE CHANGES HIS SCHEDULE AT ONE DAY A WEEK, I THINK. AND. BUT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE OF THAT WHERE BOTH SHIFTS HAVE MORE SUPPORT. SO REALLY, IT'S IT'S A SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO STAY AHEAD OF DEMAND, SO TO SPEAK. OKAY. AND ONE PERSON CAN ONLY DO SO IF HE WORKS DAY SHIFT TYPICALLY. AND HE COMES IN 9 TO 5 JOB. HE PROBABLY DOESN'T WORK 9 TO 5. I'M GUESSING HE WORKS MORE THAN THAT. WELL, ONE DAY A WEEK HE COMES IN EARLIER AND ONE DAY A WEEK HE COMES IN EARLY TO KIND OF CATCH SOME OF THE ISSUES. SO IF THERE'S AN ISSUE ON AN OFF SHIFT AND HE'S NOT AVAILABLE, HE'S HOME. HE'S HE'S OFF HOURS. I MEAN, WHAT HAPPENS THAT THAT OFFICER JUST HAS TO BE DOWN FOR THE REST OF THE SHIFT? IF HIS IF HIS VEHICLE'S NOT WORKING, HE'S JUST LIKE, OKAY, I GUESS I'M, I'M, I'M BEING AN ADMIN TONIGHT. THAT MEANS THAT KIND OF WHAT HAPPENS OR WE DO TRY TO KEEP NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE POOL CARS, BUT WE HAVE POOL COMPUTERS, POOL TOUGHBOOKS. AND SO SOMETIMES SOMEBODY CAN GO GRAB ANOTHER TOUGH BOOK, BUT OKAY. BUT OBVIOUSLY IT TAKES TIME TO KEEP ALL OF THOSE UP TO DATE WHERE IF YOU'RE GOING AND GRABBING A TOUGH BOOK THAT'S SITTING ON A SHELF, YOU HOPE IT HASN'T BEEN SITTING THERE FOR, SAY, THREE MONTHS AND HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE UP TO DATE TO USE. SO SO THAT'S A PIECE THAT I DIDN'T REALLY KIND OF THINK ABOUT WAS YOU'VE GOT OFFICERS ON MULTIPLE SHIFTS AND THEY NEED IT SUPPORT, BUT YOU'VE ONLY GOT IT SUPPORT ESSENTIALLY DURING DAY SHIFT FOR THE FOR THE MOST PART. YES. SO THAT'S OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN AND THEN ONE THING THAT I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT SHE EDUCATED ME ON WAS I THOUGHT HE WAS JUST KIND OF DOING THE, YOU KNOW, THE SERVER WORK IN THE, IN THE, IN THE BUILDING. AND HE WAS TAKING CARE OF ALL THAT. AND HE'S, HE'S OUT IN THE CARS. RIGHT. HE'S HE'S OUT THERE LIKE WORKING ON ALL THE STUFF IN THE VEHICLES TOO. CORRECT. AND IF THERE'S IF HE HAS MORE HELP, HE CAN SPEND MORE TIME ON THOSE VEHICLES. AND SOMEONE ELSE CAN PICK UP SOME OF THE SLACK ON THE SERVERS AND COMPUTERS INSIDE THE BUILDING AND SUCH. SO. OKAY. THAT THAT THAT WAS A BIG ONE TO ME. THAT STOOD OUT A LOT WHEN I ESPECIALLY WHEN I LEARNED KIND OF WHAT HE DOES AND HOW MUCH HE HAS TO DO WITH, WITH JUST BEING A SINGLE PERSON. THAT'S THAT'S A BIG CONCERN FOR ME. IS THE IT SPECIALIST? THE REST OF IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU, I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF PROGRAMS THAT WEREN'T FUNDED. I THINK THERE'S, LIKE, A CYBER SECURITY. OR WAS IT? I'M TRYING TO FIND MY NOTES HERE. CYBER SECURITY PROGRAM WASN'T FUNDED. CYBER SECURITY ASSESSMENT. PATCH MY PC GOVERNANCE RISK COMPLIANCE PLATFORM. DO ANY OF THOSE PUT US AT RISK BY NOT HAVING THOSE? THOSE TWO ARE KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND IN THAT WE THOSE WERE AT THE BOTTOM OF OUR LIST BECAUSE THERE'S MORE NEW TOOLS IN HERE THAT WE'RE WANTING TO GET FUNDED. SO IF THE IF WE DON'T KEEP INCREASING OUR TOOLS AND INCREASING OUR DEFENSES, SO TO SPEAK, THEN IF WE IT'S LIKE THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. IF WE GO WITH THE GOVERNANCE, RISK, COMPLIANCE AND THE CYBERSECURITY ASSESSMENT, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, WELL, YOU NEED THESE NEW TOOLS. [03:35:03] SO IF WE GET THE NEW TOOLS FIRST, THEN THEY CAN COME IN AND SAY, HEY, YOU'VE GOT SOME GOOD TOOLS HERE. NOW HERE'S MORE YOU CAN DO OR THINK ABOUT USING THIS TOOL, MAYBE IN A DIFFERENT WAY. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO YOU'RE PHASING IT IN. SO YOU'RE KIND OF SETTING THE GROUNDWORK SO THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES, MAYBE NEXT YEAR THESE CAN WORK ON THE TOOLS THAT YOU'VE GOT. RIGHT. AND THEY WON'T COME IN AND JUST TELL US THAT WE NEED THINGS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, ARE NOT TRYING TO GET. WE WANT TO GET THOSE TOOLS FIRST AND THEN THEY CAN COME IN AND SAY, YEAH, YOU'VE GOT YOU'VE GOT A GOOD SET OF TOOLS, BUT NOW YOU HEAR YOU NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THIS AREA OR IN THIS BEHIND THIS DOOR, SO TO SPEAK. MY FEAR WAS THAT WE WERE PUTTING OURSELVES AT RISK BECAUSE WE WEREN'T DOING SOMETHING THAT WE NEEDED TO DO WITH CYBERSECURITY. AND THERE WERE SOME HOLES IN OUR DEFENSES. AND I DIDN'T WANT NOT NOT WITH THOSE. AND THOSE WERE WHY WHEN WE GAVE ALBERTA OUR PRIORITY, THOSE WERE AT THE BOTTOM BECAUSE THOSE THOSE ARE GET CLOSER TO THE NICE TO HAVE RATHER THAN NEED TO HAVE. SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS ARE THE MORE NEED TO HAVE TO INCREASE OUR DEFENSES AND MAKE THEM HARDER. AND YOU GOT THOSE. WE'VE GOT THOSE IN HERE. OKAY. THAT MAKES ME FEEL A LOT BETTER. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT, SIR. THAT'S ALL I HAD FOR YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. ABOUT TECH TO COMMENT. SO EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. SO, A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR JAKE AND CASSANDRA. SO THE FIRST QUESTION WAS THE WEATHER STATIONS WERE INITIALLY FUNDED, AND THEN THEY THEY'RE NOT NOW WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE CITY? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE CITIZENS? I KNOW THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS WITH, YOU KNOW, FLOODING IN OTHER AREAS OF TEXAS RECENTLY. I MEAN, WHAT ARE WHAT ARE THE CITIZENS MISSING OUT ON BY NOT HAVING THESE? YES. GOOD EVENING. JAKE ISBELL, DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO. REGARDING THE WEATHER STATIONS, THESE ARE THIS WAS A COMBO PROPOSAL OF WEATHER STATIONS THAT MONITOR LOCAL WEATHER DATA THAT ALSO HAVE AN ALERT FEATURE WITH AN AUDIBLE SIREN, NOT QUITE TO THE LEVEL OF A TORNADO SIREN. IT'S MUCH MORE SCALED BACK. IT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR THE SAME CAPACITY AS A TORNADO SIREN, BUT WHAT IT WOULD GIVE US THE ABILITY TO DO IS SET UP CUSTOM ALERTS BASED ON SPECIFIC WEATHER CRITERIA FOR ALERTING FOR OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, LIKE ALL OF OUR PARKS AND SPLASH PADS. WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS THE POSSIBILITY INCREASES FOR FOLKS ENJOYING THE RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES OF THE CITY, NOT HAVING THEIR CELL PHONE ON THEM DURING THAT TIME, WHICH IS OUR MAIN METHOD OF EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION. SO THIS WAS A WAY TO PROVIDE US THE WEATHER, PLUS AN ADDITIONAL ALERTING FUNCTION AND MEDIUM THAT WE COULD COULD UTILIZE. WITHOUT THAT, WE WILL JUST CONTINUE TO REALLY TALK ABOUT WAR IN CENTRAL TEXAS AND PROMOTE THE USE OF FOLKS STAYING AROUND THEIR CELL PHONE AND SIGNED UP TO WARN CENTRAL TEXAS FOR ALL THE EMERGENCY ALERTS AND BEING OUR PRIMARY FUNCTIONAL ALERTING SYSTEM. OKAY. AND THEN THE SECOND VEHICLE YOU CURRENTLY HAVE A VEHICLE. CASSANDRA DOES NOT. AND SO CURRENTLY TO TODAY, LIKE, IF YOU HAVE AN INCIDENT OR YOU HAVE TWO INCIDENTS WHERE YOU BOTH NEED TO BE THERE. LIKE WHAT HAPPENS? YOU JUST TAKE A PERSONAL VEHICLE OR. LIKE WHAT? YEAH. SO THE SECOND EMERGENCY RESPONSE VEHICLE. VEHICLE FOR OUR DEPARTMENT, ACTUALLY, THERE'S A PLAN WITH CMO FOR A REPURPOSING OF AN EXISTING VEHICLE TO MEET THAT NEED. WHICH IS WHY I BELIEVE YOU SEE A ZEROED OUT ON ON THAT, THAT LOCATION SO THAT THAT NEED HAS BEEN FILLED WITHOUT THE REQUEST OF AN ADDITIONAL LEASE OR PURCHASE OF A SECOND VEHICLE. IT'S REPURPOSING. WHAT? WHAT VEHICLES ARE BEING REPURPOSED? IT'S BEING IDENTIFIED. YEAH, IT'S BEING IDENTIFIED. ON WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE A PUBLIC A PUBLIC WORKS VEHICLE. WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH CMOS CMO OFFICE AND FINANCE OFFICE TO IDENTIFY THE THE CORRECT VEHICLE THAT'S BEING OUTSOURCED. BUT THAT'S THE CURRENT PLAN TODAY. IT'S NOT THE PINK HIPPO CAR. PROBABLY NOT. YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING. I MEAN, I'M OPEN ON THAT THING. YES. OKAY. I MEAN, CHIEF DID SAY BATMAN HAD A DIFFERENT TOOL FOR DIFFERENT THINGS. WE WE ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT HIPPO, YOU KNOW? OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. GO AHEAD. FOUND A VEHICLE SOMEWHERE. SO IF I COULD JUST ADD TO THAT. SO, YES, WE'VE WE'RE GOING TO REPURPOSE ONE OF THE OLDER OR A PATROL VEHICLE TO THE [03:40:04] ASSISTANT AND THEN WE'LL REPLACE THE THE PATROL WITH A NEW ONE. OKAY. PERFECT. THESE ARE TAKE HOME VEHICLES, RIGHT? YES, SIR. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THE WE FOLLOW THE SAME TAKE HOME POLICY AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE A POLICY WRITTEN FOR THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. THAT IS THE BASICALLY 100% A CARBON COPY. YOU AND I TALK A LOT, JAKE. AND AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU GUYS ARE DOING. AND IT'S A IT'S TOUGH BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO PLAN AND FUND STUFF THAT. YOU ALWAYS HOPE YOU FUNDED A LITTLE BIT BETTER, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY WHEN SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN. BUT YOU YOU HOPE THAT YOU NEVER USE YOUR GUYS'S DEPARTMENT AND WE NEVER DEAL WITH THAT. SO KNOWING ALL THAT, I KIND OF LIKE YOU GUYS, LIKE, ALMOST LIKE LIFE INSURANCE. YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME, BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS HAVE TOO MUCH. AND THEN ONE DAY. WHAT ARE YOU GIVING UP BY HAVING TOO MUCH? SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS. I KNOW WE'VE LOOKED EVERYTHING FROM HAVING SHOWERS AND SPECIAL ROOMS AND ALL THIS STUFF TO WHERE TO ME IT JUST SEEMS ALL OVER THE TOP. SO I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET YOU GUYS WHAT YOU NEED. BUT WE ARE ONE OF THE MORE WELL FUNDED CITIES WHEN IT COMES TO EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, BECAUSE A LOT OF CITIES OUR SIZE, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. AND SOME CITIES HAVE SHARED RESOURCES WITH OTHER CITIES AND WE WIN IT ON OUR OWN. SO I DO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU AND CASSANDRA ARE DOING. I KNOW, I KNOW, THE MAYOR. LIBERTY HILL APPRECIATES IT. SO I HOPE TO US FIND A WAY TO GET SOME OF THE THINGS AND YOU AND I WORKED TOGETHER FOR, LIKE, WEATHER STATIONS OR THINGS WHERE WE CAN GET SOME CORPORATE SPONSORSHIPS TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. HAVE THAT IN WITHOUT THE ANNUAL COST. IT IS DIFFICULT TO BUDGET FOR SOMETHING THAT IS UNKNOWN, RIGHT? AND IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE WAGING ON CHAOS AND MAYHEM. IT'S WAGING IT'S INVESTING IN OUR ABILITY TO MANAGE THAT AND TO BUILD RESILIENCY AND PREPAREDNESS AHEAD OF TIME TO HELP FARE BETTER THAN, THAN OTHER CITIES. BUT IT IS JUST CRUCIAL TO BE COMPLETELY FRANK AND HONEST OF THE GRATITUDE OF CITY COUNCIL TO FUND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WHEN MANY CITIES OTHER CHOOSE, OTHER CITIES CHOOSE NOT TO AND BECOME MORE DEPENDENT ON COUNTIES, STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR THAT ASSISTANCE. THAT ONLY DELAYS RESPONSE, RECOVERY, MITIGATION AND PREPAREDNESS OUT FURTHER AND FURTHER AS YOU BECOME DEPENDENT ON OTHER GOVERNMENTAL BODIES. AND SO WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR INVESTMENT AND LOOK FOR WAYS TO BE CREATIVE AND FLEXIBLE AS WE CONTINUE TO RAISE THE BAR HIGHER FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO. ANYTHING ELSE? NOT FOR ME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. LET'S SEE. LIBRARY HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR LIBRARY. THANKS FOR STICKING AROUND. SO YOU HAD ASKED FOR A PROGRAMS AND OUTREACH COORDINATOR THAT DIDN'T GET FUNDED. WHAT WAS THIS PERSON INTENDED TO DO? AND WHAT PROGRAMS CAN YOU NOW NOT DO IF YOU DON'T GET THIS PERSON? SORRY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. KRISTEN PHILLIPS, LIBRARY DIRECTOR. I PULLED SOME DATA FROM OUR PROGRAMS AND OUR PARTICIPANTS AND OUR PATRON COUNTS. PATRON COUNTS ARE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING IN THE LIBRARY, NUMBER OF PROGRAMS, OR, OF COURSE, HOW MANY PROGRAMS WE HAVE PER MONTH AND THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS OR HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTEND THOSE PROGRAMS. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA FROM MAY OF 2023 AND THEN LOOKING AT MAY OF 2025, THERE WAS A 70% INCREASE IN PATRONS COMING INTO THE LIBRARY 58% INCREASE IN PROGRAMS AND A 365% INCREASE IN PARTICIPANTS. SO WHAT WERE THOSE? I'M SORRY, I'M WRITING THESE NUMBERS DOWN. SO 70% INCREASE IN PATRONS, IN PATRONS. THOSE ARE PEOPLE WALKING IN TO USE LIBRARY SERVICES, COPY, PRINT, GET BOOKS, WHATEVER. THE NUMBER OF PROGRAMS IS A 58% INCREASE. AND THAT'S JUST FOR THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE OFFERED THROUGH. THAT'S JUST LOOKING AT MAY 2023 AND MAY 2025. OKAY. AND THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS IS AT 365% INCREASE. I PULLED A FEW DIFFERENT MONTHS. SO I HAVE OTHER I HAVE OTHER MONTH STATISTICS IF YOU WANT TO HEAR THEM. BUT OVERALL OUR PROGRAMING HAS INCREASED OVER 50%. AS FAR AS MONTHLY PROGRAMS. [03:45:03] TWO AREAS THAT WE'RE TARGETING ARE TEENS AND SENIORS WHERE WE DIDN'T WE HAD GAPS IN THOSE AREAS FOR PROGRAMS FOR THOSE AGE GROUPS. WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON CULTURAL PROGRAMING BILINGUAL PROGRAMING, ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT AREAS. SO AND WE'RE ALSO SPENDING A LOT OF TIME LOOKING FOR OUTSIDE SUPPORT. WE HAVE A LOT OF OUTREACH WE'RE PARTNERING WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS. WE ARE REVITALIZING OUR FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY GROUP SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME THINGS FUNDED THROUGH THAT ORGANIZATION AS WELL. SO PROGRAMS AND OUTREACH COORDINATOR WOULD BE SOMEBODY WHO WOULD JUST DO THAT SPECIFICALLY RIGHT NOW. THAT'S ME. WE ALSO HAVE A LIBRARY MANAGER, TANYA, WHO, WHO WORKS ON THAT AS WELL. AND THEN WITHIN OUR CHILDREN'S LIBRARIAN POSITION, SHE ALSO WORKS ON SPECIFICALLY CHILDREN'S OUTREACH AND PROGRAMS. SO THIS PERSON WOULD JUST HELP ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING. YEAH. WELL, THEY THEY WOULD. YES AND NO. I MEAN, I LOVE DOING THE WORK BECAUSE OUTREACH IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS. BUT IT WOULD BE SOMEBODY WHO THAT IS THEIR SPECIFIC ROLE TO ONLY WORK ON PROGRAMS AND OUTREACH AND BUILD THOSE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS, FIND OUTSIDE FUNDING, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. OKAY. SO SO THEY COULD OFFSET SOME OF THEIR PAY BY FINDING OTHER FUNDING SOURCES AND DOING THOSE KIND OF THINGS. OKAY. ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO DECREASE ANY OF YOUR PROGRAMS WITHOUT HAVING THIS PERSON, OR ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE SAME? I'M GOING TO KEEP THE SAME AMOUNT BECAUSE I'M STUBBORN. AND I CAN SEE WE'VE HAD WITH A 365% INCREASE IN PARTICIPATION. THIS IS WHAT OUR PATRONS WANT. THEY'RE ATTENDING THE PROGRAMS. THEY'RE ENJOYING THE PROGRAMS. THEY'RE GIVING FEEDBACK ON NEW PROGRAMS THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE. AND SO I LOVE MEETING THAT NEED. AND SO I WILL CONTINUE TO FILL IN AND DO WHATEVER I CAN TO, TO MEET THOSE NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. AND THEN THE LIBRARY RECLASSIFICATION, LIBRARIAN RECLASSIFICATION. WHAT WAS REMIND ME WHAT THAT WAS. SO WE HAVE A CURRENT CIRCULATION CLERK WHO EARNED HER MASTER'S IN LIBRARY AND INFORMATION SCIENCE FROM I THINK T.W.U BACK IN DECEMBER. SHE'S BEEN SOME OF HER COURSEWORK WAS TO SHADOW OUR LIBRARIAN. SO SHE'S ALREADY BEEN INTRODUCED TO THE TASKS OF A LIBRARIAN THAT INCLUDE THINGS LIKE PROGRAM OUTREACH COLLECTION DEVELOPMENT, STAYING UP TO DATE ON ALL THE DIFFERENT TRENDS, ALL THE ALL THAT DIFFERENT STUFF. SHE IS READY TO BE A LIBRARIAN. AND SO MY REQUEST WAS FOR HER TO BE RECLASSED FROM OUR CIRCULATION CLERK TO THE LIBRARIAN POSITION. AND THEN WE WOULD BE HIRING FOR THE CIRCULATION CLERK TO REPLACE HER. AND SO THAT WAS MY RECLASS ASK. OKAY. AND THEN THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A BOOKMOBILE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC ASKED FOR, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THAT'S A SOLUTION TO A QUESTION OR A PROBLEM THAT WE'VE SEEN ESPECIALLY WITH OUR SENIOR POPULATION? SO THEY THEY ARE COMING MORE AND MORE TO OUR PROGRAMING, AND WE'RE ALSO GOING OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY. WE GO TO TRAILS A LOT TO DO PROGRAMING THERE. WE TRY TO MEET THEM IN DIFFERENT SPOTS SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE IN THE TRAFFIC OR, YOU KNOW, IN THE EVENINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT WE HAVE A LARGE SENIOR POPULATION WHO ARE NOT GETTING OUT. BUT BUT I KNOW BASED ON JUST THE RESEARCH THAT WE'VE DONE WITH ISOLATION AND WHAT'S HAPPENED POST COVID WITH OUR SENIOR POPULATION, THAT THERE IS ROOM FOR THE LIBRARY TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THEM, IF POSSIBLE, TO BRING BOOKS TO TALK ABOUT THOSE BOOKS, TO GIVE THEM RESOURCES, BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO NOT JUST A BOOK HUB. WE'RE A RESOURCES HUB TO TO PROVIDE THOSE THINGS FOR THEM. WE'VE HAD IDEAS SUCH AS WE WERE GOING TO TRY WITH A RESOURCE CENTER TO GO OUT ON THEIR THEIR VAN FOR THE GOLDEN CONNECTIONS DROP OFFS DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF STUFF THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE ON THE VAN AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. WE WEREN'T ABLE TO WORK THAT OUT. BUT WHAT WE DO IS WE OFFER WE WE LET THEM KNOW THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SENIOR CALENDAR THAT JUST IDENTIFIES OUR SENIOR PROGRAMING AND GIVES THEM INFORMATION ABOUT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. THE BOOKMOBILE WOULD BE A WAY TO MEET THE NEED, NOT JUST FOR OUR SENIOR POPULATION TO GET BOOKS TO THEM, BUT ALSO TO GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY MORE FOR PEOPLE. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT TELL US THEY SHARE ONE CAR AMONG THEIR FAMILY, FOR EXAMPLE. AND SO IF ONE PERSON IS AT WORK AND THE OTHER PARENT IS AT HOME, THEY CAN'T GET TO THE LIBRARY DURING OUR OPEN HOURS. SO BEING ABLE TO GO OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND BRING THE BOOKS IN AND THE RESOURCES TO THEM WOULD BE SOLVED WITH THE BOOKMOBILE. OKAY, WHAT'S THE TYPICAL SIZE OF A LIBRARY IN ANOTHER CITY? AT WHAT POINT DO THEY TYPICALLY GET A BOOKMOBILE? I DON'T HAVE I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THEY GET A BOOKMOBILE. I KNOW THAT A LOT. I PROVIDED A COMPARISON CHART TO YOU GUYS IN ONE OF THE THE EMAILS [03:50:06] THAT I SENT, AND IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT BOOKMOBILES, BUT WHAT IT DOES TALK ABOUT IS WHERE THE LIBRARY IS AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE YEAR IT WAS BUILT AND THOSE KINDS OF STATS. AND YOU CAN SEE BASED ON THAT THAT EVERY LIBRARY IS DIFFERENT. SO THERE THERE WASN'T LIKE A CONSISTENT PATTERN WITH THAT. A CERTAIN LIBRARY HAD A CERTAIN SIZE. IT'S THE SAME THING WITH PROGRAMING AND BOOKMOBILES. CERTAIN LIBRARIES HAVE GOTTEN THEM LIKE GEORGETOWN LIBRARY GOT THEIRS THROUGH THEIR FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY GROUP. SO THAT IS DEFINITELY AN AVENUE THAT WE WANT TO EXPLORE. BUT WE HAVE WE ARE CURRENTLY REVITALIZING OUR FRIENDS GROUP, AND WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE MEMBERS NOW. AND SO WE'RE HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, OF THE 500 AND 13C ONCE AGAIN. AND SO AS, AS WE GET THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES AND AS WE ADD MORE MEMBERSHIP, THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO ASK THEM FOR MORE FUNDING NEEDS. OKAY. THANK YOU. KRISTEN, I THINK THAT FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY, THAT'S THE KEY. I MEAN, FOR ME, THAT IS THAT IS A BIG KEY BECAUSE A LOT OF THE OTHER CITIES I KNOW. CEDAR PARK HAD A MAJOR FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGN BY THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY, AND I THINK THAT'S HOW A LOT OF THESE OTHER CITIES ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE SO MUCH MORE OF A ROBUST SYSTEM. SO I THINK ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP YOU GUYS GET THAT GOING THAT WAY, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT BASKETBALL HELP BUILD A UT BASKETBALL STADIUM. I THINK MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY RAISED LIKE $500 MILLION IN LIKE FOUR MONTHS TO BUILD A NEW STADIUM. THEY ALL LIKE BASKETBALL, AND I THINK THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY CAN HELP TAP INTO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT, THAT PART OF OUR CIVIC SPACE. AND THEN I THINK THEY CAN HELP OFFSET A LOT OF THE A LOT OF THE COSTS IN SOME OF THESE EXTRA THINGS THAT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, ARE NOT NOT WHAT CITIES AROUND TYPICALLY DO, BUT WHAT THEIR, WHATEVER IT IS, THEIR, THEIR ORGANIZATIONS ARE CALLED IN EACH CITIES DIFFERENT. BUT ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP, PLEASE LET US THANK YOU. I DO WANT TO SAY I DID REACH OUT TO CEDAR PARK AND A FEW OTHER LIBRARIES TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THEIR FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY GROUPS, JUST SO I COULD GET SOME BACKGROUND ON BUILDING HOURS. A LOT OF THESE GROUPS ARE, YOU KNOW, STARTED IN LIKE THE 90S. AND SO THEY'VE BUILT UP THAT. SO I HOPE TO DO THAT HERE. I HOPE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD SOMETHING UP SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE AN ASK THAT WE CAN WE CAN TALK TO THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY GROUP. THUS FAR, WHAT THEY HAVE RAISED, THEY'VE BEEN VERY GENEROUS. AND THEY HAVE FUNDED CERTAIN THINGS WITH OUR TEEN ADVISORY BOARD THERE. THEY'RE FUNDING CPR CLASSES FOR THE COMMUNITY TO COME TAKE FOR FREE WITHOUT PAYING THE FEE TO THE RED CROSS. A LOT OF OTHER DIFFERENT PROJECTS. THESE ARE SMALL PROJECTS, BUT WE ARE SO THANKFUL FOR THEM AND WE HOPE TO CONTINUE BUILDING. AWESOME. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD. OKAY. PARKS. JEFF. SO I THINK YOU HAD THE MOST READ ON THE PRESENTATION THAT WE GOT FROM THE CITY MANAGER. HE RAN OUT OF INK. HE RAN OUT OF RED INK. SO JUST OVERALL, I MEAN, I DIDN'T WANT TO GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE LINE ITEM ON THERE, BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU HAD ASKED FOR THAT JUST DIDN'T GET FUNDED. AND SO YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT STOOD OUT TO ME ARE THE MAINTENANCE TAX. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PARKS IN THE CITY, AND WE'VE GOT A BRAND NEW, YOU KNOW, REDONE PARK FOR ITS PARK THAT'S GOING TO COME ONLINE THIS YEAR. THE LACK OF THESE MAINTENANCE TECHS, IS THAT GOING TO MAKE IT? I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND $10 MILLION ON A PARK AND HAVE IT NOT BE MAINTAINED. AND SO ARE YOU STILL GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT PARK AND ALL THE OTHER PARKS AND DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO, OR OUR PARKS, PARKS IS GOING TO TURN INTO, YOU KNOW, WEEDED AREAS THAT NOBODY WANTS TO GO TO. WELL, GOOD EVENING, JEFF WHITE, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. THAT'S A LOADED QUESTION. COUNCILMEMBER GORDON MUCH LIKE YARBOROUGH, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP PUSHING THAT BOULDER, YOU KNOW, AND KEEP DOING WHAT WE DO. WE'RE AT I FEEL LIKE OUR PARKS MAINTENANCE TAX IS AT BANDWIDTH NOW, SO WE ARE DOING. JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE SUMMARY OF WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY OR WHAT WE DO KIND OF PERIODICALLY WHAT THEIR TASK IS. THEY DO REGULAR AND ROUTINE MAINTENANCE AT EACH PARK. SO THEY'RE GOING TO EACH PARK EVERY DAY. THEY'RE CLEANING THEIR RESTROOMS. THEY'RE EMPTYING TRASH IF NEEDED. WE STILL DO SOME MOWING AT THE AMPHITHEATER AND ATHLETIC FIELDS. THEY'RE TRIMMING TREES. THEY'RE SERVICING DOWNTOWN. THEY'RE SPRAYING WEEDS. THEY'RE BLOWING OFF CONCRETE, ALL THOSE THINGS AND THEY'RE DOING DIFFERENT MAINTENANCE IN THE RESTROOMS. [03:55:02] THEY'RE FLUSHING THE TOILETS, REPLACING ALL THE VALVES AND DOING ALL THAT STUFF THAT GOES THAT HAPPENS TO BREAK THEY'RE OPERATING IN DIFFERENT TYPES OF SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT. SO THEY'RE DOING PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE ON ON THOSE MACHINES AND DEVICES. THEY'RE TREATING FOR ANTS, THEY'RE FIXING FENCES, THEY'RE POWER WASHING, PAINTING, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE ROUTINE TASKS THAT THEY DO. WE'VE ALSO EVOLVED WITH OUR CURRENT STAFF'S EXPERTISE TO DO MAJOR PROJECTS AND SAVE OUTSOURCING A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE DONE, I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW HERE IS AROUND ADAM ORGAN, IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE RECENTLY, YOU'VE SEEN THE NEW CABLE AND BOLLARD SYSTEM TO HELP PEOPLE STAY OFF THE GRASS. THEY INSTALLED ALL THAT THEMSELVES. THEY RECENTLY INSTALLED THEY REDID, SORRY, NOT INSTALLED, BUT THEY RECENTLY PAINTED THE GREEN ROOM AND REDID THE FLOORING IN THERE. THEY'VE DONE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS AT HUDDLE COMMUNITY WITH ADDING NEW SOLAR LIGHTING THAT REDUCED THE COST. THEY ALSO ADDED SOLAR LIGHTING ALONG THE COTTONWOOD CREEK TRAIL. THEY ADDED LIKE 50 LIGHTS THERE. THEY'VE REPAIRED BACKSTOPS. THEY PUT NEW PURPLE MARTIN HOUSES UP. SO YOU KIND OF GET THE IDEA THAT THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF PROJECTS. THEY'RE ALSO TAKING CARE OF SUPPORTING ALL THE SPECIAL EVENTS IN THE LEAGUES THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW. SO THEY'RE DOING THEY'RE HELPING SET UP TAKE DOWN MOVIE SCREENS FOR MOVING THE PARK. THEY'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, PUTTING OUT 50,000 EGGS FOR THE EASTER EGG HUNT. THEY'RE DOING THAT PHYSICAL LABOR TASK. SO ALL THE DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT WE DO, THEY'RE ASSISTING IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. THEY ALSO SUPPORT PREPARING ALL THE FIELDS FOR HIBS THAT THEY RENT OUT. SO IT'S TEN MONTHS OF THE YEAR OPERATIONS, ALL THE ADULT LEAGUES THAT WE HAVE. THEY ALSO SERVE AS A POINT OF CONTACT FOR ALL PRIVATE RENTALS. SO IF YOU RENT A PAVILION OR THE GYM OR A FACILITY, YOU'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH OUR PARKS MAINTENANCE TAX. AND SO OVER THE COURSE OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE'VE HAD ROUGHLY 90 RENTALS, WHICH IS A LOT. BUT WE ALSO HAD FRITZ CLOSED AND FRITZ WAS OUR MOST POPULAR PAVILION. AND WHEN IT COMES ONLINE, IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO SEE A SPIKE IN RENTALS. SO THE NEW STAFF THAT WE ASKED FOR BASICALLY BE ABLE TO SPLIT OUR CREWS TO NORTH SIDE AND SOUTH SIDE, AND IT WOULD BE ABLE TO REALLY ALLOW US TO FOCUS AND KEEP UP WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT OUR RESIDENTS HAVE COME TO KNOW IN OUR PARKS THAT THE TRASHES ARE EMPTY, THE RESTROOMS ARE ARE FAIRLY CLEAN, THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DEBRIS THERE. THEY'RE THEY'RE MOWED, THEY'RE MAINTAINED, THEY'RE WELL KEPT. AND FRITZ PARK IS GOING TO BE $11 MILLION PARK PROJECT. IT'S GOING TO HAVE I GOT. LET ME MAKE SURE I GET THIS RIGHT. 1.13 MILES OF IRRIGATION PIPE, 1900 SPRINKLER HEADS 900 NEW TREES AND 1800 NEW SHRUBS THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN. NOW, THE WARRANTY TYPICALLY ON ALL THAT STUFF IS A YEAR. SO THE PARK OPENS IN DECEMBER. WE'VE GOT A YEAR TO GET THAT KIND OF RESOLVED, BUT AFTER THAT IT BECOMES OUR ISSUE. WE DO MANAGE AND TAKE CARE OF DOWNTOWN. WE ARE AT DOWNTOWN MAYBE FIVE HOURS PER WEEK WITH A DEDICATED NORTH SIDE CREW. I CAN HAVE MORE OF A PRESENCE DOWN THERE DOING DIFFERENT PROJECTS, DOING MORE POWER WASHING, TRIMMING THE TREES, CLEANING OUT THE FLOWER BEDS, REALLY IMPROVING THAT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE I DETERMINED AS, AS OUR NEED WAS AS FAR AS THE REASON WHY WE NEED THESE PARK MAINTENANCE TECHS. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SORRY, THAT WAS KIND OF LONG. IT THAT'S VERY HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT THEY DO. I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT JUST SITTING ON A MOWER AND MOWING AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. THEY'RE DOING A LOT MORE. THE CAMP DIRECTORS YOU DIDN'T GET THOSE FUNDED. SO FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, YOUR YOUR CAMPS ARE BASICALLY SOLD OUT EVERY SUMMER. IS THAT RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT MORE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SIGN UP THAN YOU'RE ABLE TO HANDLE. WAS THAT WAS THE INTENTION TO BE ABLE TO JUST FULFILL THE REQUESTS THAT ARE COMING FROM THE COMMUNITY? YES AND NO. SO A LITTLE BACKGROUND OF OUR CAMPS. WE STARTED THEM BACK IN 2022 AFTER THE LAYOFF FROM COVID. THAT FIRST SUMMER, WE HAD 744 CAMPERS PARTICIPATE IN A TEN WEEK PROGRAM, AND WE HAD 51 ON THE WAITLIST. WE HAD ONE LOCATION THIS PAST YEAR. WE HAD 123 CAMPERS, AND I STILL HAD 677 ON THE WAITLIST AT TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. SO WHAT WAS IN MY BUDGET WAS TO ADD A TEEN CAMP. SO THAT WAS REQUESTED IN THE BUDGET WORKSHOP. I BELIEVE IT WAS PROJECT NUMBER SEVEN IN ORDER THE RANKING THERE THAT THE PUBLIC CAME OUT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS FOR, TO ADD A DEDICATED TEEN CAMP FOR THOSE AGES [04:00:03] 12 TO 15, THAT THERE'S REALLY NOTHING STRUCTURED THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER FROM A SET PERIOD FROM 7 A.M. TO 6 P.M.. SO THAT WOULD COVER THE COST OF THOSE CAMP STAFF, THE CAMP COUNSELORS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AND I KNOW LIKE THE YMCA IS THERE. THEY'VE GOT WAITLISTS, TOO. I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT CAMPS THAT THEY DO, AND THERE'S MORE PEOPLE WANTING TO GET IN THERE THAN IS AVAILABLE. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE GOING THERE. THEY'RE NOT GETTING IN. THEY'RE GOING TO THE CITY. THEY'RE NOT GETTING IN. YEAH. SO IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH SERVICES FOR THE AMOUNT OF KIDS THAT WE HAVE. OKAY. AND THEN A LOT OF THE EQUIPMENT SOUNDS LIKE WAS TIED TO MORE MAINTENANCE TECHS. MORE MAINTENANCE TECHS MEANS MORE EQUIPMENT. THAT'S WHY YOU NEEDED SOME OF THAT EQUIPMENT, I'M GUESSING. YEAH, SOME OF THAT EQUIPMENT. IT WAS JUST THE YOU KNOW, IT'S SOME OF IT'S AT THE END OF ITS LIFE LIKE I HAVE A A GATOR THAT IS FROM 2004, I BELIEVE. SO IT'S STILL FUNCTIONS, BUT IT'S JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S CONSTANTLY NEEDING REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP. AND AT SOME POINT YOU'RE PAYING. WE'RE PAYING MORE THAN JUST TO BUY A NEW GATOR AND HAVE IT LAST ANOTHER 15 TO 20 YEARS, WHICH I THINK WE'VE SHOWN THAT WE CAN MANAGE A GATOR FOR 20 YEARS AND STILL KEEP IT ACTIVE AND RUNNING. OKAY. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE REQUESTS FOR WERE JUST TO PROVIDE THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED. AND SO THE GALLUP SURVEY CAME OUT LAST YEAR THAT OUR STAFF TOOK, AND WE SCORED THE LOWEST IN DEPARTMENT AND EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES THAT WE HAVE. AND A LOT OF THAT IS JUST WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SUPPLIES AND EQUIPMENT, AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO COME ACROSS AS WELL. PUBLIC WORKS HAS A SKID STEER. WE NEED OUR OWN SKID STEER THE WAY I TELL OUR STAFF IS THAT IT SAYS CITY OF HUTTO ON IT. IT DOES SAY CITY OF PARKS, IT SAYS CITY OF HUDDLE. AND SO IT'S ALL BELONGS TO US. SO WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE, AND MAYBE WE'RE JUST NOT WORKING OUT AN AGREEMENT ON SHARING. THESE ARE ITEMS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FILL IN VOIDS FOR. SO IT'S NOT ONLY WORKS FOR US, IT ALSO COULD POTENTIALLY WORK FOR THEM AS WELL. AND I SAW SOME OF THE BIG CUTS WERE TRAIL REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE WAS CUT IN HALF FROM 15 GRAND TO 7500. IRRIGATION REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE WAS CUT IN HALF. PARKS GROUND MAINTENANCE WAS CUT. SOME NOT. NOT IN HALF, BUT IT WAS CUT SOME. AND SO DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED IN THE BUDGET TODAY ALLOWS YOU TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THESE ASSETS THAT THE CITIZENS USE ADEQUATELY. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE MONEY THIS YEAR FOR THE TRAILS. WE'RE FULL FUNDING. WE HAVE FULL FUNDING FOR THAT. WE'RE STARTING THE IMPROVEMENTS NEXT WEEK. ALONG COTTONWOOD, REPLACING I THINK, 900 LINEAR FEET OF TRAIL. THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN-HOUSE WITH JUST OUR STAFF, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO INSPECTIONS AND FOLLOWING THE NORMAL PROCEDURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT DECREASING IT WILL OBVIOUSLY JUST DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF TRAIL THAT WE CAN DO. SO FOR NEXT YEAR, ANYBODY WHO'S WALKED ALONG THE COTTONWOOD TRAIL, YOU GET TO THE POINT UNDERNEATH 79 AND THE RAILROAD, AND THE TRAIL STARTS TO CRUMBLE AND BECOMES UNSAFE. THAT'S THE SECTION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT REPLACING NEXT YEAR. SO OBVIOUSLY WITH MORE MONEY WE CAN DO MORE OF THE TRAIL. AND IF NOT, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE PRIORITY FOR NEXT YEAR. OKAY. YEAH. TO ME THESE ARE ALL, YOU KNOW, QUALITY OF LIFE FOR FOR OUR CITIZENS, PEOPLE WHO USE OUR PARKS, WHO, WHO YEAH. JEFF. WHAT FROM THE. OH, SORRY. ARE YOU ARE YOU DONE? YEAH. YEAH. FROM THIS AGAIN. LAUNDRY LIST OF CUTS. YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT TYPES OF PROGRAMS OR SERVICES ARE AT RISK OF BEING SCALED BACK OR JUST COMPLETELY CANCELED DUE TO, YOU KNOW, THE LACK OF PERSONNEL OR EQUIPMENT? WELL, SO LAST YEAR OR SORRY, THIS FISCAL YEAR, A LOT OF OUR SPECIAL EVENTS, ALL OUR SPECIAL EVENTS WERE FUNDED OUT OF THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FUND. AND SO I THINK THE WISH IS TO BRING THEM BACK TO GENERAL FUND. AND SO THERE WERE SOME CUTS THERE OF EVENTS THAT WE'VE TYPICALLY DONE THAT WE JUST WEREN'T ABLE TO, TO GET FUNDED FOR THIS YEAR. AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE SMALLER EVENTS OR JUST THE ONES THAT WE INTRODUCED LAST YEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CONTINUOUS RAPPORT WITH THE COMMUNITY WANTS. SO LIKE THE DOGGIE DASH, WHICH HAD A GREAT FIRST EVENT YEAR, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT ONE. THE MEMORIAL DAY PARADE WAS ONE THAT WE OPTED BECAUSE JUST THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IT HAD, THE STAFF COMMITMENT, THE SPORT SUPPORT FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES. THAT WAS ONE THAT WE THAT WE CUT TO. SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE LARGEST ONE THAT WE CUT. SO THERE WERE SOME SMALLER EVENTS. THE SWEETHEART'S DANCE, WHICH IS GEARED FOR DADS AND DAUGHTERS, [04:05:03] OPEN TO EVERYONE. BUT IT'S KIND OF GEARED TOWARD THAT. THAT WAS ONE THAT WE CUT AS WELL. SO I MEAN IT AGAIN, TO COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON'S POINT, IT SOUNDS LIKE QUALITY OF LIFE, YOU KNOW, PUSHING ALL OF THESE RESIDENTS TO GO TO OTHER CITIES TO EXPERIENCE QUALITY OF LIFE THINGS THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO EXPERIENCE IN THE TOWN THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY PAY TAXES IN, THEY, THEY SLEEP IN, YOU KNOW, THEY RAISE THEIR FAMILY IN, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T SEE INTO THE FUTURE. YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, GIVE IT A PROPER ESTIMATE. BUT HOW MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE DO YOU FEEL IT WILL BE TO CATCH UP, YOU KNOW, ON DEFERRED CRITICAL MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT YOU KNOW, QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES. WHAT DO YOU FEEL OR WHAT ARE YOU SEEING JUST WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE IN PARKS AND REC? IS IS HOW MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE WILL IT BE TO CATCH UP ON THESE? WELL, IT'S IT'S IT'S LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE IT'S GOING UP. RIGHT. SO THE LONGER WE DEFER SOMETHING EITHER THE, THE LONGER WE TRY TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE THAT'S AT THE END OF ITS LIFE, CONTINUE TO WORK, OR WE HAVE TO OUTSOURCE THAT AND GO RENT THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, OR WE JUST DON'T DO THAT SERVICE. AND SO THERE'S WE'RE KIND OF AT THOSE CHOICES RIGHT NOW, AS IS WHAT WE DO. SO IN LOOKING AT ALL THE CAPITAL REQUESTS THAT WE PUT IN OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, I MEAN, THAT WAS OVER $800,000 IN STUFF. SO AND SOME OF THAT STUFF IS, LIKE I SAID, TO SAID, REPLACE SOMETHING. EXISTING SAFETY CONCERNS. YOU KNOW, I THINK THE RIVERWALK ELECTRICAL PANEL WAS WAS FUNDED, I BELIEVE. RIGHT. THAT IS A HUGE IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN OUT TO THE SOCCER FIELD, JUST LOOK AT THAT. IT'S IT'S AT THE END OF ITS LIFE AND IT'S A SAFETY CONCERN. RIGHT. AND I THINK IT BROKE DOWN IN THE BUDGET. YOU KNOW WHAT THE ONE TIME COSTS WERE VERSUS. AND A LOT OF THOSE ARE ONE TIME COST. OR IF THEY'RE LARGER WE TRY TO LOOK AT OKAY CAN WE INSTEAD OF BECAUSE I THINK COUNCIL HAS BEEN OPEN TO INSTEAD OF SPENDING $150,000 ONE TIME, CAN WE SPEND 50,000 FOR THREE YEARS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO INCUR SUCH THAT THAT ONE TIME LARGE COST. SO WE'VE LOOKED AT THOSE AS WELL. THANK YOU. QUESTION ON THOSE THE MOWING IN YOUR, YOUR STAFF THAT REQUIRE HOW MUCH MOWING IN A TYPICAL MAINTENANCE TECH OR WHATEVER THE CLASSIFICATION IS, HOW MUCH OF THEIR TIME IS SPENT MOWING OR DOING SOME TYPE OF LANDSCAPING LIKE THAT. YEAH. SO THEY'RE MOWING QUITE A BIT BECAUSE THE, THE FIELDS JUST REQUIRE THAT TYPE OF THEY'RE BEING USED. AND SO THEY'RE PROBABLY SPENDING IF THEY HAVE TO MOW, LET'S JUST SAY THE FOOTBALL FIELD. RIGHT. THE WIN FOOTBALL FIELD THAT'S GOING TO TAKE OUR STAFF PROBABLY 4 TO 6 HOURS TO MOW. SO IF THEY'RE MOWING IT TWICE A WEEK DURING THE WEEK. YEAH. SO YOU MULTIPLY THAT OUT. THE AMPHITHEATER IS PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE A DAY TO MOW JUST BECAUSE OF THE SHEER SHEER VOLUME OF THE SIZE. THAT'S FIVE ACRES. WELL, WITHIN YOUR BUDGET YOU HAVE A MOWING CONTRACT THAT'S ALMOST $200,000, $196,000. SO WHAT? THEY MOW THE COMMON AREAS SO THEY MOW, LIKE WE STILL MOW THE AMPHITHEATER, BUT THEY MOW THE REST OF THE PARK, SO THEY MOW ALL OF HUDDLE LAKE PARK, THEY MOW ALL OF ALL THE DIFFERENT PARKS THAT THEY THEY DO MAJORITY OF THE MOWING. OKAY. AND THAT BREAKS DOWN TO IF I RECALL, THE PRICE IS A LOT OF MONEY WHEN YOU FACTOR IT IN THE AMOUNT OF MOWS AND ACRES WE GET. I BELIEVE I RECALL IT'S LIKE $45 AN ACRE THAT WE'RE BEING CHARGED. SO I'M JUST WONDERING HOW MUCH OF THE THE STAFF MOWING COULD IT, IS IT MORE ECONOMICAL OR MORE EFFICIENT TO ROLL IT INTO THIS KIND? I MEAN, FOR I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S LET'S SAY $50,000 A SALARY IS PROBABLY UNDER THE VALUE. BUT LET'S SAY YOU HAD THREE TECHS. THERE'S $150,000. I BET IF WE ADDED $150,000 TO THIS $200,000 CONTRACT, IT WOULD TAKE CARE OF ALL THAT. AND THAT INCLUDES THE EQUIPMENT LEASING. AND THEN WE'RE NOT HAVING TO PROVIDE THAT EQUIPMENT OR THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT EQUIPMENT. SO IS THAT IS IT MORE EFFICIENT TO SPEND THAT MONEY? THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT. WE'VE JUST NEVER GONE THROUGH THAT ROUTE. THAT WOULD FREE UP YOUR MAINTENANCE TECHS. YEAH, THEY'RE STILL DOING. I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT SOLELY MOWING. I AGREE WITH THAT. EVERY DAY THEY'RE DOING ALL THESE OTHER STUFF, TOO. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE DOING. I'M JUST SAYING, YEAH, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF IT TAKES UP 10% OF THE OF A TECHS TIME. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THEN IF YOU GOT, YOU COULD ALMOST HAVE A HALF A FTE BY IF YOU GOT FOUR TECHS THAT WEREN'T DOING MOWING ANYMORE. THE THING THAT TAKES AWAY FROM IS SO THE MOWING RIGHT NOW IS SET UP EITHER MONTHLY OR [04:10:02] TWICE A MONTH. RIGHT. AND SO AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS SEASONAL. SO IT COULD BE IF IT RAINS, IT'S ONE THING IF IT'S IF THE PARK LOOKS A LITTLE SHAGGY FOR A DAY. BUT IF ATHLETIC FIELDS START TO LOOK SHAGGY OR NOT TREATED, THEN IT POTENTIALLY COULD COULD BE RESULT IN INJURIES OR FALLS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. SO OKAY. THANK YOU. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF CARE THAT WE PROVIDE. AND THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER FROM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION RIGHT WHERE WE WANTED CITY STAFF TO TAKE CARE OF THE HIGH VALUE AREAS, THE FOOTBALL FIELDS, BASEBALL FIELDS. AND. YEAH, BECAUSE BECAUSE THOSE ARE INVESTMENTS THAT PEOPLE YOU LIKE, LIKE THE REALLY NICE GRASS THAT WAS PLANTED IN THE IN THE AMPHITHEATER. RIGHT. YOU DON'T WANT A REGULAR MOWER IN THERE FROM FROM THESE GUYS WHO COULD HAVE BEEN MOWING ANYWHERE TO GO IN THERE AND CONTAMINATE THAT GRASS AND HAVE IT FULL OF WEEDS. RIGHT. AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS, ONE OF THE EXPLANATIONS THAT WE, THAT WE GOT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A DECISION. DO YOU, DO YOU DO YOU CUT COSTS AND THEN JUST KIND OF TRY TO DO IT THAT WAY. BUT THEN WHAT IS WHAT IS THE TRUE COST. AND THEN WOULD IT COST MORE TO LIKE ACTUALLY WOULD IT BE AS NICE AND WOULD IT BE MAINTAINED AS WELL. AND AND YEAH. SO YEAH, I REMEMBER HAVING THAT DISCUSSION A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THE AMPHITHEATER WOULD BE THE HARDEST ONE, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THE UNDULATIONS OF THE SURFACING IN THE GROUND. AND SO IF YOU TOOK A TRADITIONAL 72 INCH MOWER ON THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AREAS WHERE IT'S JUST GOING TO SCALP IT, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE. AND SO THE MOWERS THAT WE HAVE KIND OF HAS A FRONT WHERE IT BOUNCES BACK AND FORTH AND KIND OF TREATS THAT GRASS WHERE IT'S ALL CUT EVENLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. BUT WE COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT. AS FAR AS ATHLETIC FIELDS. IT'S JUST LIKE I SAID IT BECOMES A STANDARD ISSUE AND WHAT THE LEVEL WOULD BE. THANK YOU. WELL, THE CONCERN IS AND HE'S ASKING YOU SAY WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT BEFORE. I'M WITH COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. I REMEMBER I WAS LOOKING AT THIS BEFORE AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH IT. WE WERE MOWING AND THEN WE BOUGHT MOWERS AND THEN WE TURN AROUND AND THEN TWO YEARS LATER, REMEMBER, WE BOUGHT NEW MOWERS BECAUSE THE NEW MOWERS WERE MORE FUEL EFFICIENT THAN THE OLD MOWERS. AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR WE OUTSOURCE THE MOWING AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR WE NEEDED TOOLS FOR THE MOWERS. SO WHATEVER WE DO, WE GOT TO STICK ON BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH AND I'M JUST LIKE, IT'S GRASS. YEAH. AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE CUTTING THEIR GRASS, OR OTHER PEOPLE ARE OUTSOURCING IT. WE'RE THE ONLY CITY THAT I KNOW OF THAT THESE GUYS ARE ONLY QUALIFIED TO MOW A DITCH. AND OUR GUYS ARE QUALIFIED TO MOW. AND THIS WEED, THIS WHOLE WEED ARGUMENT, I ALWAYS WONDER. WELL, I MOW MY GRASS ALL THE TIME. AND IF I DON'T PUT PRE-EMERGENT DOWN, I GET WEEDS TOO. SO WHO'S PUTTING THE WEEDS IN MY YARD? I ALWAYS ASSUMED IT WAS THE WIND AND THAT WAS JUST A THING. AND SO I GET ALL THAT AND I DON'T CARE WHICH WAY WE GO. TO ME, IT OUGHT TO BE THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE. BUT WELL, CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING? MR. MAYOR, WHAT I MEANT, SORRY FOR COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS WAS WHEN WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT. WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT WHEN WE BID THAT OUT FOR THE MOWING CONTRACT. SO WE DIDN'T CONSIDER THE ATHLETIC FIELDS BASED ON PREVIOUS PRACTICES, PREVIOUS EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE AND EXPERIENCE. SO IF YOU WANT US TO, I CAN EXPLORE THAT WITH THE MOWING VENDOR AND SAY, HEY, HOW MUCH WOULD IT BE TO ADD ON THESE SERVICES AT THIS COST? THAT'S WHAT I KIND OF WAS REFERRING TO IN MY OPINION. I'D RATHER NOT. I'D RATHER JUST KIND OF JUST KEEP IT AND MANAGE IT OURSELVES. BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING COUNCIL WISHES, THEN WE CAN DO THAT WAY TOO. I THINK WE OUGHT TO ALWAYS LOOK AND SEE WHAT IS THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO DO THE JOB, AND IT WOULD BE BETTER TO BE INFORMED AND COME UP AND SAY, LOOK, WE LOOKED AT IT. AND EVERY YEAR I GO THROUGH THE EXERCISE AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE SAVING 100 GRAND DOING IT THIS WAY OR THIS YEAR, ACTUALLY, IT'S CHEAPER BECAUSE I THINK SOMETIMES IT'S THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN DOING IT, OR WE JUST MAKE A LIKE THE I THINK IT WAS LIKE $45,000 FOR WHEELS. AND I WAS JUST LIKE, MY GOD. I MEAN, HOW MANY TIRES WERE BREAKING THINGS LIKE THAT TO WHERE I ALWAYS THEY STICK IN MY MIND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT MOWERS THAT ARE FOUR YEARS OLD AS LONG AS WE'RE USING THEM. BUT IF THEY'RE JUST SITTING THERE. SO I, I DON'T CARE HOW WE DO IT. BUT I JUST THINK WE OUGHT TO KNOW WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE SPENDING $200,000. BECAUSE TO HIS POINT. IF YOU CAN GET THREE PEOPLE AND THEY CAN CUT IT AND YOU SAY, LOOK, WE CAN CUT ALL THAT, GIVE ME THREE FTES, CUT IT ALL, SAVE YOU $60,000. WHY ARE WE PAYING THESE PEOPLE 200? NOW YOU HAVE THREE MORE PEOPLE THAT DURING THE MONTHS OF OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, JANUARY. NOW THEY'RE PUTTING BOLLARDS. TO ME, IT'S AN EFFICIENCY ISSUE. WHAT I SEE IN THE PARKS IS EFFICIENCY. DO YOU PUT THE BOLLARDS IN DURING THE TIME OF THE YEAR WHEN YOU'RE MOST ACTIVE, WITH TREES NEEDING TO BE CUT AND GRASS AND ALL THAT? OR DO YOU PUT THE BOLLARDS IN IN JANUARY WHEN IT'S LIKE, WHAT ARE WE DOING? THERE'S NOTHING REALLY TO DO. AND WE'VE HAD A BRIDGE THAT HAD TO BE [04:15:02] REPLACED. WE OUTSOURCED THAT. SO TO ME, BEFORE WE HAD MORE PEOPLE, I GOT TO BE COMFORTABLE THAT FROM AN EFFICIENCY STANDPOINT, WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING YOU GUYS DO IT ALL RIGHT. SOME THINGS I'D LIKE TO KNOW. THERE'S A LOT OF EVENTS. OH, SORRY, BUT WITH WITH THE MAYOR SNYDER SAYING THE CONVERSE IS TRUE. YOU KNOW, THEY SAY WE'RE SPENDING $200,000 AND IT'S $50,000 FOR AN FTE. IF WE CAN GET THREE GUYS ON THERE. AND THEN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, I KNEW WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO THE EQUIPMENT ALREADY, THEN WE'RE SAVING $50,000. I KNOW THIS IS VERY BACK OF THE ENVELOPE AND NOT VERY ACCURATE, BUT I'M OKAY WITH THAT TOO. WHATEVER'S MOST EFFICIENT. I KIND OF LIKE YOU. IF YOU HAVE IT IN-HOUSE, WE CAN HAVE BETTER CONTROL OVER IT. AND AS COUNCILMAN GORDON, BETTER QUALITY CONTROL AS WELL. YEAH, WHATEVER WORKS BEST. I THINK WE DID THAT COMPARISON BEFORE WE WENT OUT FOR THE MOWING CONTRACT. I THINK IT WAS CHEAPER. I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND FIND THAT. BUT I BELIEVE IF MEMORY SERVES, I'VE SLEPT SINCE THEN. KIDS ARE GOING BACK TO SCHOOL. IT'S 10:00 ON A ON A THURSDAY NIGHT, SO. BUT I BELIEVE IT, IT WAS CHEAPER TO TO TO OUTSOURCE THE MOWING THAN FOR US JUST TO BRING IT IN BECAUSE BASICALLY WITH INSURANCE AND BENEFITS AND SALARIES, I THINK WITH THE CURRENT CONTRACT WE GET THREE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE, 3 OR 4. SO I CAN I CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT AND I'LL SEND YOU AN UPDATE AS TO WHERE THAT NUMBERS ARE. THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO SEE IS HOW MANY PEOPLE GO TO ALL THE EVENTS, BECAUSE WE ALWAYS HEAR, YOU DON'T DO IT TONIGHT. JUST WE ALWAYS HEAR ABOUT ATTENDANCE IS UP AND THIS AND THIS. BUT I WOULD ARGUE THE MORE EVENTS YOU HAVE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE NUMBERS GO UP. WHAT I DO LIKE IS YOU'VE LOOKED AT SOME EVENTS AND IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THEM WERE NOT AS ATTENDED AS WELL. SO YOU KIND OF PHASE THEM OUT. BUT IF WE ALL OF A SUDDEN GAVE YOU PEOPLE AND SAID, HERE, HERE'S A DOZEN MORE PEOPLE, GO DO EVENTS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HUGE INCREASE IN ATTENDANCE. WILL EACH EVENT HAVE ATTENDANCE WORTH DOING IT? THAT'S THE QUESTION. BUT IT'D JUST BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING. BUT I DO LIKE THAT BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED. I TALKED TO ONE GUY ABOUT THIS LIKE, HEY, WE DO SOMETHING IN GOVERNMENT AND WE JUST TEND TO ALWAYS DO IT. AND THEN ONE DAY SOMEONE SCRATCHES THEIR HEAD AND GOES, WHY ARE WE DOING THAT? IT'S NO ONE'S GOING TO IT AND YOU'RE ALREADY DOING IT, SO THAT'S GOOD. I'LL GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS IF YOU WOULD LIKE. NO, YOU CAN JUST EMAIL THEM. THAT'S FINE. TREE LIGHTING. WHERE'S THE TREE LIGHTING GOING ON THIS YEAR? OKAY I'M GONNA RELY ON. I WAS IN A MEETING YESTERDAY. I HAD TO LEAVE EARLY, SO I TURNED TO CHENEY AND OR COUNCIL MEMBER FOR A MEETING. STAFF. I DON'T WANT COUNCIL BECAUSE THIS IS THE BIGGEST DEBATE IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW, BEHIND THE SCENES. AND FOR THE LIFE OF ME, I DON'T. HERE'S WHAT I TOLD THE CITY MANAGER. I THINK YOU GUYS GOT TOO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS, BECAUSE AT THE TIME THAT WE'RE CHANGING NAMES OF EVENTS, WE'RE MOVING EVENTS. WE'RE EVEN HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS, TO ME, MEANS WE HAVE TOO MUCH TIME, BECAUSE YOU OUGHT TO JUST BE ABLE TO SAY IT'S DOWNTOWN. THE REASON YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO SAY IT'S DOWNTOWN IS WE ALREADY TOOK A VOTE AS A COUNCIL AND TOLD YOU TO HAVE IT DOWNTOWN. SO. OKAY, SO TREE LIGHTING DOWNTOWN TREE LIGHTING IS DOWNTOWN. OKAY. SO THERE WOULD BE A TREE DOWNTOWN TREES BECAUSE NOW I'M HEARING THERE'S TWO TREES. 1ST MAY BE AT ADAM OR GARIN, AND THERE MAY BE A SMALLER ONE. THERE'S THE BIG TREE THAT WE HAVE WILL BE AT THE DOWNTOWN PROPERTY OWNED BY THE RICHARDS FAMILY. THAT'S THE PLAN RIGHT NOW. NOW THE RICHARDS FAMILY, IT'S USUALLY THAT'S THEIR PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN, THAT IT'S USUALLY ON THE PEOPLE BEHIND THERE. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHERE THE TREE, THE TREE WILL BE LIT DOWN THERE. THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER CONCERN. MAYBE THEY DON'T. HERE'S THE STUFF. MY PHONE WAS BLOWING UP ON THIS MEETING. AND HEY, THESE PROPERTY OWNERS MAY NOT WANT US DOWN THERE WITH THE TREE. SO I REACHED OUT TO BOTH PROPERTY OWNERS. THEY'RE COMPLETELY OKAY. BOTH THAT FAMILY AND THE ONE. I THINK IF YOU MEASURED, YOU'D FIND THE TREE IN THE STAGE AND ALL THAT'S GOING ON THE BEHIND THE RICHARDS. BUT WHETHER WHEREVER IT'S AT, THEY'RE ALL IN FAVOR OF THE TREE BEING DOWN THERE. SO JUST WANT TO CLEAR THAT UP. SO SOMEHOW WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT COMMUNICATION WISE I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, CITY MANAGER, WE GET IN THESE MEETINGS AND PEOPLE LEAVE EXTREMELY CONFUSED AND I LEAVE CONFUSED BECAUSE I WASN'T EVEN THERE GOING. WE HAD TO VOTE FOR THE TREE TO BE DOWNTOWN. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE TREE, WHY IT'S EVEN A CONVERSATION, BUT SOMEHOW IT KEEPS PERCOLATING. IF YOU GUYS IF THE STAFF WANTS STUFF TO BE DOWN AT ANAMARIE GAME, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS YOU GUYS NEED TO COME TO US BEFORE YOU START TELLING THE PUBLIC WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, OR EVEN INSINUATING WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO BECAUSE THEY GET WOUND UP. I DON'T KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON. AND SO THAT LEADS ME TO ALWAYS DO I FORGOT WHAT YOU CALLED IT, WHERE I'M LIKE, LET'S MAKE A MOTION. WHERE'S THE TREE GOING TO GO AT. LET'S END IT. AND I THOUGHT WE DID THAT ONLY TO FIND OUT THERE'S BECAUSE HERE'S WHAT I'VE HEARD. YOU GUYS ARE OVERWORKED ON HOLIDAYS, AND YOU DON'T LIKE WHERE IT'S AT BECAUSE IT CAUSES YOU GUYS ISSUES. [04:20:02] I'VE HEARD THAT. SECURITYWISE. ADAM REGAIN IS A PLACE TO HAVE IT BECAUSE WE CAN'T BE SECURE IN DOWNTOWN. AND SO I FIGURE, BUDGET WISE, LET'S HAVE IT NOW. WHAT DO WE GOT TO DO TO HAVE. SO WE'RE THE PLAN IS TO HAVE THE TREE LIGHTING DOWNTOWN. OKAY. THE THE SHIFT WAS WHETHER THE DRONE SHOW IS GOING TO GO. OKAY. AND SO IN ORDER TO BETTER UTILIZE RESOURCES FUNDS, WE DECIDED WE PROPOSED TO COMBINE THE TRADITIONAL HOLIDAY MARKET AND THE DRONE SHOW AND MOVE THAT TO ADAM OR GAIN. SO THE TREE LIGHTING WOULD STILL BE THERE. SO LET ME INTERRUPT YOU. WHO'D YOU GUYS PROPOSE THAT TO THE DHB? YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO COME UP AND COMMENT. SORRY. OUR DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WE ACTUALLY MET WITH THE DHB LAST NIGHT AND HAD A MEETING, AND I HAD SENT AN EMAIL AT THE END OF JULY WITH THE PROPOSAL AFTER TALKING INTERNALLY AND SAID, HEY, HERE ARE OUR THOUGHTS, HERE ARE THE VARIABLES THAT WE WANTED TO CONSIDER OR THAT WE DID CONSIDER. AND HERE'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING. WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS. HAPPY TO SCHEDULE A MEETING IF THAT'S BETTER. SO LAST NIGHT WAS THE EARLIEST WE COULD GET TOGETHER. SO THEIR EVENTS COMMITTEE WAS THERE AND SOME ADDITIONAL BOARD MEMBERS. COUNCIL MEMBER. PORTERFIELD. AND AT THE END OF IT, EVERYONE WAS IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT WAS PROPOSED. SO THE DATES HAVE BEEN COLLABORATIVELY APPROVED. THE EVENTS THEMSELVES WERE. I JUST GOT AN EMAIL FROM GRACIE REITERATING THAT. SO THAT WAS GOING TO GO OUT TO Y'ALL BEFORE WE SHARED OUT ANY SAVE THE DATE AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO THE PUBLIC. SO THERE'S A CONCERN THAT. THE WHOLE HOLIDAY. SO THIS IS WHERE I THINK WE NEED TO ADJUST OUR BUDGETING. THE EVENT SEASON'S HARD ON STAFF. YOU GUYS AREN'T GETTING OVER TIME. YOU'RE BASICALLY WORKING FOR FREE. IS A CONCERN THAT YOU ALL HAD THAT YOU GAVE TO THE DHB. IT WAS ONE OF SEVERAL. YEAH. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING BUDGETS. ONE, WE'RE NOT HARD ON YOU GUYS DURING THE HOLIDAY AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE THIS STUFF KIND OF ADDRESSED LIKE I DON'T KNOW CITY MANAGER LIKE KIND OF ON THIS SIDE BECAUSE WHEN IT GOES TO, HEY, HERE'S WHAT WE NEED BECAUSE OF ALL THESE ISSUES, I'M LIKE, WELL, DANG, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO KNOW THIS BEFORE MY PHONE GOING OFF AT 730, LIKE, HEY, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING TO THE STAFF THERE? BECAUSE THE ISSUE IS THEY THINK THEY'RE MOVING IT. IT'S BEING MOVED BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING YOU ALL. AND I'M LIKE, THIS IS THE FIRST. I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS DON'T GET OVERTIME. IT'S HARD ON YOUR FAMILIES AND YOU DON'T LIKE DOING IT. SO SO CAN I. CAN I CLARIFY THAT? SO IT'S THE SATURDAY HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE SATURDAY AFTER THANKSGIVING. RIGHT. SO THANKSGIVING AND FRIDAY ARE THE CITY HOLIDAYS. SO STAFF THAT WORKS EXEMPT NONEXEMPT STAFF THAT WORKS HOURLY. STAFF THEY GET PAID REGULAR TIME ON THAT THAT SATURDAY. SO WE'RE ASKING THEM TO COME IN LIKE YOU TWO GUYS OR OTHER PEOPLE. YEAH. SO WE'RE WE'RE EXEMPT. SO IT'S JUST OUR REGULAR PARKS MAINTENANCE TAX THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER COMING OUT, SETTING EVERYTHING UP, TAKING EVERYTHING DOWN. THEY GET PAID REGULAR TIME BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAY. THEY DON'T GET PAID THE OVERTIME. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE HE HAS A HOLIDAY. HE HAS. WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? A SUPER PREMIUM HOLIDAY? YEAH, A PREMIUM HOLIDAY. SO WHAT I WOULD SAY LISTEN, I'M NOT TRYING TO DO THIS AS LIKE A CRITICIZE, BUT JUST DO ME A FAVOR OR THAT'S THE COUNCIL GET WITH HIM AND GET THAT FIGURED OUT BEFORE YOU SHARE THAT WITH THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE HE MAY HAVE AN EASY FIX FOR THAT. AND INSTEAD THEY'RE WOUND UP AND WE'RE READY TO CANCEL CHRISTMAS. AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, HOLD ON A SECOND. WHAT'S THE ISSUE? CAN WE FIX IT IN A FUNDING THING? DOES THE CITY MANAGER KNOW YOUR FEELINGS AND WHY ARE WE COMMUNICATING THAT OUT THERE WHEN IT'S LIKE, DANG, I MEAN, HOW DO WE IT REALLY DISAPPOINTED ME THAT QUITE HONESTLY, BECAUSE I'M SITTING THERE GOING LIKE, DOES HE KNOW NOW IF HE DOES, IF HE DOES KNOW AND HE'S TELLING YOU GUYS GET OVER IT, YOU TWO GUYS, I WOULD SAY YOU GUYS GET PAID ENOUGH, GET OVER IT. BUT I WOULD SAY THE THE MAINTENANCE TECHS DON'T. AND SO I THINK THEY OUGHT TO HAVE SOMETHING. BUT THAT'S NOT FOR ME. THAT'S FOR THE SUPER. WELL THAT WAS THE, THE ONLY DRIVER TO TO THE RELOCATION. NO, THERE WAS ANOTHER THERE'S ANOTHER ONE. I'M GETTING TO THAT. SO SUPPOSEDLY WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE AND MAYBE WE NEED TO FUND SOMETHING HERE. AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THAT IF YOU CLOSE THE STREET, ANY PART OF THE DAY, IT'S CLOSED THE WHOLE DAY. SO THERE'S AN ORDINANCE IN I'M CHECKING THE THE LANGUAGE ON IT, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S SECTION 22 OF THE ORDINANCE. I WENT AND LOOKED AT TODAY. BECAUSE I HELD AN EVENT DOWNTOWN, I HELD AN EVENT. IT WAS FEBRUARY 15TH AND WE CLOSED THE E STREET DOWN HALF THE DAY. AND SO AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO THE PUBLIC, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE USING BECAUSE I'M READY TO FUND BARRIERS TO CLOSE THE THING DOWN TEMPORARILY OR GET AN ORDINANCE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO ALLOCATE THE MONEY TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE HAVE TO CLOSE A PARK DOWN OR THE STREET FOR FOUR HOURS, IT'S NOT SHUT DOWN THE WHOLE DAY BECAUSE OF A [04:25:01] ROGUE ORDINANCE. YEAH, I WAS I WAS WHEN I I COMMUNICATE THAT THAT WAS INFORMATION THAT I RECEIVED FROM ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER THAT I THOUGHT TO BE THE CASE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD IN THE PAST RELATED TO THAT. I LOOKED AT THE ORDINANCE. IT DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY A 24 HOURS NOTICE. IT JUST SAYS EFFECTIVE DATE. AND SO THEY INTERPRETED THAT EFFECTIVE DATE AS MEANING THE DAY. SO THERE MAY BE SOME CLARIFICATION. OR WE MAY NEED TO BRING THIS SECTION ORDINANCE BACK TO COUNSEL TO CLARIFY WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? PARTIAL STREET CLOSURES. DO YOU WANT TO DO ALL DAY STREET CLOSURES OR HOW DO YOU WANT TO HANDLE. WE DON'T NEED TO FUND ANY MONEY TO HELP GET THIS. IT MAY JUST BE A NO. IT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION ON INTERPRETATION OF WHAT THE THE SPECIAL EVENT PARKING DID. OKAY. THEN WE HAD THERE MAY BE A PROBLEM WITH THE LANDOWNERS HAVING A TREE LIGHTING DOWNTOWN. AND SO I'LL GET YOU GUYS A COMMUNICATION FROM THEM, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INSURE THEM LIKE WE NORMALLY DO, BUT THEY ARE COMPLETELY OKAY WITH IT. YEAH. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I EXPRESS EXPRESSED THIS THAT LAST YEAR, THE WELL, PREVIOUS YEARS, THE TREE IS ALWAYS KIND OF BEEN ON THE THE RICHARDS PROPERTY BEHIND HENRIETTA, AND WE HAVE A POWER SOURCE THERE. AND SO WE ALWAYS JUST USE EXTENSION CORDS AND TAPE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU DRIVEN BY AND HALF THE TREES LIT, HALF THE TREES NOT LIST NOT WORKING. SO I PLUGGED IT. MR. MAYOR REMEMBER YOU WERE OUT THERE FOR ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAD THE BREAKER TREE. SO LAST YEAR WE GOT WE ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE RICHARDS FAMILY AND WE THEY ALLOWED US TO DIG A TRENCH, A TEMPORARY TRENCH, SO WE COULD PUT A, PUT A PIPE DOWN THERE AND CONNECT THE, THE ELECTRICAL. WITHOUT THAT, THAT WAS JUST A ONE YEAR DEAL. WHEN THE BUDGET GETS APPROVED, THIS EVENT HAPPENS. THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO THEM AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE DID THIS LAST YEAR. CAN WE HAPPEN TO DO IT AGAIN? I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. OKAY? I DON'T FORESEE AN ISSUE WHERE THEY HAVEN'T MENTIONED TO ME THAT THEY WERE UNHAPPY, THEY WERE UNSATISFIED OR IRRITATED WITH US. I JUST ONE OF THE LANDOWNER LIKE YES. EXCLAMATION POINT, EXCLAMATION POINT. AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY. I WAS A LITTLE NERVOUS BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, MAN, LAST TIME WE HAD A PROBLEM, WE HAD A PUMPKIN PATCH WE THREW ON SOMEONE'S PROPERTY AND DIDN'T ASK THEM. AND ONCE WE STARTED ASKING, THEY WERE VERY ACCOMMODATING. OKAY IT'S JUST FOUR DIFFERENT OWNERS DOWN THERE AND WE DON'T OWN ANY OF THAT LAND. SO I'LL BE HONEST. I DIDN'T TALK TO THE MANCHUS, BUT I TALKED TO EVERYBODY ELSE. OKAY. SO FUNDING WISE, I GUESS WE CAN GET WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE GOT TO DO TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS AREN'T OVERDOING THINGS. MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT HAVING TOO MUCH AT ADAM REGAIN IS YOU REMEMBER JAMES HADN'T BEEN THERE WHEN IT RAINED. BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME IT DOESN'T RAIN. WE HAVE EVENTS, BUT IT FILLS UP QUICK LIKE A BOWL DOWN THERE. AND SO ONE THING ABOUT THE WINTER WEATHER IS IT CAN BE VERY SOGGY. AND IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DESCEND ON A PARK AND IT'S MUDDY AND IT'S 30 DEGREES, WHICH IT COULD BE. I DON'T KNOW THE EASY ANSWER BECAUSE I THINK EACH SITE HAS ITS OWN THINGS THAT ARE GREAT, THINGS THAT ARE BAD. YEAH. AND I DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU DO IT AND YOU GO, YEAH, WE LIKE THE OTHER ONE BETTER. SO YEAH, FORTUNATELY FOR THE THE LOWER PART OF OUR GAME DOES GET THAT WAY. THE, THE AMPHITHEATER TENDS TO STAY SOMEWHAT DRY UNLESS IT WAS LIKE JULY 4TH. WE'RE JUST CONSTANTLY GETTING BOMBARDED WITH RAIN, BUT FOR THE MOST PART IT STAYS DRIER THAN, THAN THAN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY. YEAH. SO OKAY. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. I REMEMBER THAT JULY 4TH WHEN IT JUST KIND OF FLOODED. AND YEAH, I REMEMBER IF IT WAS WHAT DAY IT WAS. BUT THAT'S WHEN I FIGURED OUT WHY 137 FLOODS BECAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER GUY OR ANOTHER GROUP UP THE ROAD WHOSE DETENTION POND DOESN'T DETAIN WATER. OKAY. TREE DOWNTOWN DRONE SHOW. ADAM AGAIN? YES. AND I WANTED TO ADD ONE MORE THING. SO WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING ANOTHER SPECIAL EVENT SINCE WE'RE MOVING THE DRONE SHOW. SO OUR DBA IS GOING TO HAVE THEIR FIRST DOWNTOWN EVENT IN HOLIDAYS OF HUTTO. SO HOLIDAYS IN HUTTO. SORRY. SO THEY'RE GOING TO DO A COCOA AND CAROLS EVENT DOWNTOWN. SO THAT'LL HAPPEN ON SHOP SMALL SATURDAY WITH THE TREE LIGHTING. AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE THAT EVENT GOING ON TOO. SO WE'RE EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO ADD AN EVENT ALSO. SWEET. YEAH I THINK FOR MOST OF I'M TALKING IT'S LIKE THEY WANT EVENTS DOWN THERE, BUT LIKE TOO MUCH OF ANYTHING OR TOO MUCH. YEAH, TOO MUCH OF ANYTHING CAN BE A BAD THING. AND SO SOMETIMES THEY FEEL OVERWHELMED. SO IT SEEMED LIKE EVEN A DRONE, IT WAS A 50 OVER 50. SOME OF THEM SAW A LOT OF VALUE IN IT, SOME OF THEM MAYBE NOT AS MUCH. AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE GUY, GIRL, WHOEVER IT IS, SETS THEM ALL OFF FROM A PLACE. BUT ALL RIGHT. THAT HAD I GUESS IT'S THEIR WATCH AND THAT'LL CLEAR THAT UP. I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE ACTIVITIES YOU GUYS DO. I DO HOPE THAT OVER TIME, SOME OF THESE, WE CAN MOVE TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN START UP NEW ONES AND THEN STUFF LIKE TOUCH A TRUCK AND STUFF THAT YOU REALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T SOMEONE ELSE CAN'T DO THAT. I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE, WE STICK TO LIKE REALLY SOME CORE ONES AND [04:30:04] ALWAYS TRY TO HELP PEOPLE DO THEM. AND THE ONLY THING I'D SAY IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE THAT YOUR GUYS'S DEAL. WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? YOUR SPECIAL EVENT FORM. BUT I'D LIKE YOU AND I TO SIT DOWN ONE DAY, AND YOU PLAN AN EVENT THROUGH THAT THING. AND SOMETHING TELLS ME ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF INTO IT. YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO CHANGE THAT PROGRAM. IT IS MIND NUMBING. AND MY RECOMMENDATION ON IF IT COSTS MONEY IS TO GET IT TO WHERE INSTEAD OF YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PROPOSE FOR, SAY, SECURITY. AND THEN JAKE OR THE POLICE TELL YOU WHETHER YOU'RE RIGHT OR WRONG. I'D RATHER YOU JUST SIT DOWN, TELL A STAFF MEMBER WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU EXPECT, AND THEY THEY FILL IT OUT AND THEY TELL YOU HOW MANY STAFF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, HOW MANY PORTA POTTIES. BECAUSE MOST OF THESE PEOPLE PUT ON EVENTS, THEY'RE NOT PORTA POTTY EXPERTS. THEY DON'T. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YOU NEED. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HAND-WASHING STATIONS. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW MANY BARRIERS. I'D RATHER STAFF TELL YOU WHERE IT'S AT. THERE'S NO. YOU KNOW HOW I AM. THERE'S NO NEGOTIATION. THIS IS IT. AND THEN I THINK STAFF IS GOING TO WANT TO REDO THAT FORM, TOO. AND THEN I THINK THAT'D BE EASIER ON YOU GUYS TOO, WHERE THERE'S NOT 15 BACK AND FORTH. AND THEN I THINK IT'S EASIER FOR THE ORGANIZATION TO DETERMINE HOW THEY STAFF AND CALL EVERYTHING. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A MONEY NEEDS TO BE REWORKED THE PROGRAM. I DON'T KNOW HOW EASY IT IS TO DO THAT. YEAH. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY REACH OUT. AND I THINK IT'S BEEN ABOUT CLOSE TO A YEAR SINCE IT'S BEEN UNVEILED. SO WE'VE KIND OF WORKED OUT SOME OF THE KINKS. WE TRY TO CORRECT THOSE WHERE WE CAN AND, AND SEE THOSE BUT WE'RE IT'S JUST A WORK IN PROGRESS THAT WE'RE HAVING TO, TO CONSTANTLY DO ON THERE BECAUSE IT CAN BE INTIMIDATING. IT'S VERY INTIMIDATING. WE HAVE TO FILL OUT THE FORMS JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, YOU KNOW. SO OUR EVENTS THAT WE REQUIRE TO BE PERMANENT, WE FILL THEM OUT TOO. SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE. YOU GUYS GOT A TEMPLATE YOU'RE USING OR YOU START OVER FROM SCRATCH. WE'VE KIND OF JUST GOTTEN USED TO USED TO IT, BUT BECAUSE WE CAN SAVE YOU AN ADMIN NEED IF YOU CHANGE THAT, CHANGE THAT. BUT IT'S A CHEATING CODE FOR ME TO DO IT BECAUSE I PROVE IT. SO YEAH, I WOULD JUST SUBMIT MY PERMIT AND SAY, THIS IS MY PERMIT APPROVED. THERE YOU GO. ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, THE WE'RE LOOKING OBVIOUSLY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE THE SUNSET COMMITTEE, WE'VE KIND OF CHALLENGED THEM AS ONE OF THEIR COMPONENTS TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF THERE'S BETTER OPTIONS OUT THERE. SO WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM IT KIND OF REVIEWING DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND SEEING WHAT THE THE PROS AND CONS ARE OF THIS PARTICULAR SOFTWARE ALLOWS THAT CONSTANT COMMUNICATION IN ONE STREAMLINE VERSUS. 20 DIFFERENT EMAILS THAT SOMEBODY MAY HAVE NOT BEEN COPIED ON OR SOMEBODY DIDN'T FORGET TO FORWARD SOMEBODY. SO IT JUST ALLOWS THAT STREAMLINE COMMUNICATION. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF RESOURCES OUT THERE THAT THAT FIT THE NEEDS THAT THIS ONE DOES. SO IT IS COOL FOR THOSE THAT HAVEN'T USED IT IS COOL TO HAVE LIKE 15 DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS ALL GIVING YOU INPUT ON. YEAH. ON YOUR DEAL. BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WE'VE WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT. WE'VE WORKED WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK ON, ON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A BETTER WAY TO EITHER MAYBE CREATE A TEMPLATE ONLINE AND SAY, HEY, HERE'S ONE YOU CAN LOOK AT, OR HERE'S AN APPROVED ONE SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE AND AND WE DO THOSE AS PEOPLE DON'T FILL THOSE OUT LIKE HCRC. WE'LL PICK ON THEM. THEY'RE DOING A A CAR SHOW COMING UP. THEY HAD NO IDEA WHAT TO PUT DOWN FOR A EVACUATION PLAN. SO WE'RE LIKE, WELL, HEY, HERE'S WHAT OTHER APPROVED PERMITS HAVE PUT IN THERE AS THEIR TEMPLATE, YOU KNOW? SO WE'VE KIND OF HELPED AND GUIDE THOSE APPLICATIONS ALONG THE WAY. SO I GUESS YOU CAN SEE WHY IT'D BE EASIER FOR YOU JUST TO SAY, HERE IS YOUR EVACUATION PLAN. AND THEN WELL, BUT EVERY EVENT, EVERY EVENT IS DIFFERENT. SO WE DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY WHAT THEIR EVACUATION PLAN IS GOING TO BE. DEPENDS ON WHERE IT'S AT, DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND OF EVENT IT IS. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A PA SYSTEM. YEAH. YOU AND JAKE SIT DOWN OR WHOEVER. YEAH. HERE'S THE EVENT WHERE IT'S AT. YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? HRC DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I WAS SITTING THERE TELLING PEOPLE I'M SOME SORT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PERSON FOR THE CITY, AND I CAN'T EVEN FILL THE THING OUT BECAUSE I'M LIKE, SLEEP. I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU CANCEL AN EVENT ON SLEEP, WHAT? YOU KNOW, IS IT A HALF INCH AN HOUR? I DON'T KNOW THE RULES ON ALL THIS, AND IT'S SUBJECTIVE. SO ANYWAY, IF IT'S A DIFFERENT SOFTWARE WE CAN FUND OR SOMETHING TO MAKE IT EASIER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE PAYING A YEAR FOR THIS, BUT IT'S GOT TO BE A LOT BECAUSE IT'S EXTREMELY STOUT SOFTWARE. YEAH, BUT. AND I JUST THROW IT OUT THERE TO WHERE NOW, LIKE I SAID, SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'LL DEFINITELY TRY TO IMPROVE IT AS WE GO. SO WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE. YOU WANT TO SAVE SOME MONEY? I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT COSTS. THAT MAY BE YEAH. WE'VE LOOKED LIKE I SAID, WE'VE LOOKED TRYING TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS. AND THERE'S NOT ONE THAT ALLOWS THAT CONSTANT BACK AND FORTH WITHOUT DOING EMAIL OR SOME OTHER. MY ONLY OTHER THINGS WERE I HAD OBVIOUSLY I KNOW ABOUT KICKBALL. I THINK THERE'S SAVINGS THERE. I THINK THE GUYS ARE NOT EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY THAT WORK. [04:35:01] THE SCOREBOARD RIGHT THERE. THERE'S TWO TWO REC AIDES THAT WORK AT EACH EVENT. OKAY. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TWO. AND THAT'S JUST ONE EVENT. I KNOW WE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO FIGHTS OR NOTHING. ONE'S WORK AND ONE'S NOT. IF I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, ONE'S WORK AND ONE'S NOT. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. BUT IT'S A SCOREBOARD. AND HALF THE LEAGUE IS WATCHING THE SCOREBOARD, AND I START LOOKING AT THE MONEY AND I'M LIKE, LOOK, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE LEAGUES DO IT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COULD JUST DO IT. BUT WE DON'T NEED TWO PEOPLE RUNNING THE SCOREBOARD. AGAIN, MY OPINION. THERE WAS A DEAL HERE ON PAGE 454. THERE'S A LINE ITEM FOR A. SO IT'S IN THE IT'S IN CLOTHING AND UNIFORMS. AND IS IT ONE FOR ADULT SPORTS? WHAT IS THAT? SO THAT IS WE GIVE OUT T SHIRTS TO THE WINNERS OF EACH CATEGORY. SO IF YOU IF YOU WIN THE KICKBALL LEAGUE, WE'LL GIVE YOU YOU GET T SHIRTS THAT SAY I WON THE KICKBALL LEAGUE FOR, FOR THAT YEAR. SO IT'S LIKE THEIR PRIZE. OKAY, SO $4,200. AND I WAS LIKE, HOLY SMOKES. SO IT'S BASED ON I THINK $12 OF SHIRTS. TYPICALLY WHAT WE CHARGE AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE LET ME LOOK, I CAN TELL YOU HOW MANY SHIRTS WE PROJECT. 352 SHIRTS AT $12 SHIRTS WHERE THAT NUMBER COMES FROM, BASICALLY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN I SAW WE CUT SOMETHING. TRAILER AND TOOLS FOR DEBRIS, DEBRIS REMOVAL AND HOA PROGRAM. I PROGRAM. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE HAD THAT. YEAH, WE HAD THAT. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE FUNDED LAST YEAR. WE HAVE THAT AVAILABLE. AND JUST RECENTLY WE WERE ABLE TO GET IT FULLY STOCKED. AND SO IT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT A FEW KINKS ON IT, BUT THAT RECENTLY JUST CAME ON BOARD, AND SO WE DIDN'T NEED IT. THIS YEAR. WE FIND IT NEXT YEAR. EQUIPMENT. YES, WE BOUGHT IT THIS YEAR, BUT WE DON'T NEED IT NEXT YEAR, SO WE'VE ALREADY BOUGHT IT. OKAY. AND THEN HOW IS THAT BEING COMMUNICATED? OR SHOULD I HAVE ALREADY SEEN THAT SOMEWHERE. WE HAVE NOT BECAUSE WE'RE LIKE I SAID, WE'RE TRYING TO FINISH THE LAST OF THE THE STOCKING OF IT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ALL THERE AND FIGURE OUT CHECKLIST AND, AND CHECK OUT PROCEDURES AND PROTOCOLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. OKAY. AND THEN THERE'S A FLOCK CAMERA DEAL ON PAGE 455. YEAH. SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE FLOCK CAMERAS THAT ARE IN THE PARKS. THOSE ARE NOT THE LICENSE PLATE READERS. THOSE ARE THE CAMERAS THAT WERE IN THE APPROVED IN THE CIP. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE PROJECT NUMBER WAS. THE FLOCK CAMERAS DON'T ALL GO TO HPD. THEY DO CONNECT TO HPD. THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE PARKS. GO TO YOUR DEPARTMENT? YEAH, THEY'RE. THEY'RE IN PARKS. OKAY. OKAY. 456 CONCRETE TRAIL. THAT'S THE LAST ONE. TRAIL MAINTENANCE. SO THERE'S 5500 FOR CONCRETE REPLACEMENT. DO WE HAVE A PLAN OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, OR ARE WE JUST BUDGETING MONEY? AND THEN WE'LL GO FIGURE IT OUT? SO WE WE HAVE A SECTIONS THAT WE REPAIR. AND RIGHT NOW THEIR FOCUS IS ON THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS WE DO WITH THAT MONEY. ONE IS WE BUY DECOMPOSED GRANITE FOR THE REPLACE ANYTHING THAT GETS WASHED OUT OR RESTOCK IT. HUDDLE LAKE AND AROUND THE AMPHITHEATER. THAT'S WHERE THE DECOMPOSED GRANITE IS. THAT'S ABOUT $2,000, USUALLY A TRUCKLOAD. AND IT'LL LAST US FOR A FISCAL YEAR. AND SO THIS YEAR WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE A SECTION IN BETWEEN HUD ELEMENTARY ALONG THE COTTONWOOD CREEK TRAIL. THERE'S LIKE 900 LINEAR FEET THERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE, AND NEXT YEAR IT'LL BE THE SECTION UNDERNEATH 79 BY THE RAILROAD THAT WE REPLACE. SO, SO SECTIONS ALONG THE COTTONWOOD CREEK TRAIL THAT WE JUST REPLACE INTERNALLY. AND YOU'RE DOING IT TO THE CITY. YEAH. WE DO IT TO THE TRAIL STANDARDS. YES. I MEAN TO HIS, HIS SIDEWALK. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE DOING 900FT AT $5,500, YOU KNOW, THE NO, WE'RE NOT DOING 900FT TO 2500. WE'RE DOING THE 900FT THAT'S FUNDED THIS YEAR. AND IT'S LIKE 15,000. SO IT'LL BE WE FIGURE IT'S LIKE $700 A PANEL. IT'S KIND OF WHAT A GENERAL CONSENSUS IS. SO WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE X AMOUNT OF PANELS. SIDEWALK. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. NO IT'S FOLLOWING THE CITY SIDEWALKS BACK WITH THE BASE AND THE CONCRETE AND THE REBAR. GO AHEAD OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? THANKS, JEFF. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, ONE MORE RICK WORKS. LAST ONE I'VE GOT. TALK TO US ABOUT CHLORINE USAGE. I'M JUST JOKING. IRON REMOVAL. LET'S GO. SO THERE WERE SEVERAL ITEMS THAT WERE INITIALLY FUNDED IN THE BUDGET AND THEN THEN [04:40:04] GOT PULLED OUT AFTER THE SATURDAY WORKSHOP. SO A DUMP TRUCK, A DRUM ROLLER, A MINI EXCAVATOR. THE THE LIFT AT THE FLEET AREA AND THEN THE ELECTRICAL WORK THAT WAS NEEDED FOR THE FLEET. AND SO I GUESS AGAIN, MY QUESTION THERE IS WHAT WORK WILL YOU NOT BE ABLE TO GET DONE THIS YEAR AS A RESULT OF NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE THOSE THINGS? OKAY. RICK CORONADO, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. I KNOW YOU LISTED OUT A COUPLE OF ITEMS. DUMP TRUCK EXCAVATOR. THOSE WERE INITIALLY PROPOSED EVEN LAST YEAR. SO THOSE ARE JUST KIND OF ADDITIONAL PIECES OF EQUIPMENT. ONE IS THE DUMP TRUCK IN PARTICULAR. WE HAVE A DUMP TRUCK THAT WENT OUT THIS YEAR. AND SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOING THROUGH REPAIRS TO GET THAT BACK IN SERVICE. SO JUST KIND OF PLANNING FOR A LOT OF AGED INFRASTRUCTURE OR INFRASTRUCTURE EQUIPMENT KNOWING THAT WE'LL DEFINITELY NEED THAT AS, AS REGULAR ROUTINE MAINTENANCE FOR OUR STREETS OR EVEN DITCHES OR ANY OF THE OTHER MANUAL MATERIALS. LOADING. THE OTHER ONE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE DUMP TRUCK, AND IT'S NOT FUNCTIONAL. WE HAVE A TOTAL OF THREE DUMP TRUCKS IN THE STREETS. ONE OF THEM IS OUT. WE HAVE ONE IN THE THE UTILITY WHICH IS A NON CDL, WHICH IS A SMALLER ONE. SO THE PROPOSAL FOR THIS ONE WAS A FULL SIZE DUMP TRUCK. THAT KIND OF HELPS MOVE A LOT MORE MATERIAL THAN NORMAL. SAME THING WITH THE EXCAVATOR. THAT WAS KIND OF PART OF INCREASING THE DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE PART. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF REALLY KIND OF FITTING INTO SMALLER AREA SPACES TIGHTER SPACES. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S CONSIDERED THE MINI EXCAVATOR FOR SOME OF THE DRAINAGE AREAS. SO IT'S, IT'S MORE OF RIGHT NOW, IT'S A LOT OF REACTIVE MAINTENANCE FOR OUR STAFF. SO WE'RE WE'LL RESPOND TO CONCERNS ON DITCHES OR STREETS. SO IT'S REACTIVE VERSUS WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING IS MORE OF A PROACTIVE PROGRAM. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE STAFF THAT WE DO HAVE AND THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE DO HAVE, JUST KIND OF ROTATE IT OUT AND CONTINUE TO REPAIR ANY THAT GOES OUT. LISTED OTHER AREAS FLEET LIFT AND FLEET ELECTRICAL WORK. THOSE ARE KIND OF TIED TOGETHER. THE FLEET LIFT IS, YOU KNOW, AS OUR FLEET MAINTENANCE AND ALSO INVENTORY CONTINUES TO GROW. THERE'S MORE NEEDS TO, TO HAVE MORE IN-HOUSE. SINCE LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST YEAR WE ACTUALLY HAD A MAINTENANCE MECHANIC. WE'VE HAD A MANAGER FOR A VERY LONG TIME TO KIND OF KIND OF TROUBLESHOOT AND DO SOME KIND OF MINOR WORK. AND THEN WE ADDED A MAINTENANCE MECHANIC WITHIN THE LAST YEAR THAT KIND OF HELPED TO, TO TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF OUR DIAGNOSIS AS WELL AS DOING MORE IN-HOUSE. SO THIS WOULD BE A KIND OF AN ADDED SERVICE TO CONTINUE TO BE MORE EFFICIENT AND COST EFFECTIVE ON SOME OF THE SMALLER JOBS AND MORE SAFE AND SAFER. BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO ADD POWER TO ANYTHING YOU WOULD ADD IF YOU INSTALL THE LIFT. THERE'S NOT CURRENTLY A CIRCUIT THAT WOULD SUPPLY POWER TO THAT LIFT. SO THAT WAS INCLUDED ALSO AS, AS A PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE ELECTRICAL WORK BEING DONE AT THE PUBLIC WORKS MAINTENANCE YARD. OKAY. SO, SO CURRENTLY TODAY THEY'RE JUST PUTTING PUTTING CARS UP ON JACKS AND TRYING TO CLIMB UNDER THE CAR AND VEHICLE AND FIX IT. THAT WAY A LIFT WOULD ENABLE THEM TO BE MORE EFFICIENT. THEY COULD PROBABLY GET MORE WORK DONE. I'M GUESSING THEY COULD. THEY COULD GET MORE CARS REPAIRED DURING THE DAY AS OPPOSED TO THE CURRENT METHOD. YEAH. THOSE WERE THOSE WERE SOME OF THE PM LEVEL WORK AS WELL AS LIKE YOU MENTIONED, IS CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY CAN DO AT THE FLOOR LEVEL IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING. BUT IF THEY HAVE TO LIFT SOMETHING. YES. CURRENTLY YOU'D HAVE TO PUT JACKS UNDERNEATH. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN I JUST NOTICED THERE'S A LOT, OF LOT OF CUTS IN SMALL TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT. SAFETY SUPPLIES WERE CUT IN HALF. AND THEN SOME OTHER, OTHER KIND OF MINOR CUTS THERE. BUT ANY CONCERNS WITH NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THE JOB DONE WITH WITH ALL THOSE CUTS? NO, NOT NOT NECESSARILY ON THOSE SMALLER CUTS TYPICALLY. [04:45:05] YOU KNOW, WE'LL WE'LL EITHER STOCK UP TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, PLANNING PART FOR ANY JOBS. IF WE HAVE TO SHARE SOME OF THE TOOLS THAT WE DO, WE GO BACK AND FORTH FROM, FROM EITHER UTILITIES OR STREETS TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL CO-LOCATED IN THE SAME LOCATION. AND I ALSO HAVE TO REVIEW ON A ON A ROUTINE BASIS WHAT THE HISTORY IS FOR SOME OF THE TOOLS INCLUDING THOSE THAT GO OUT SOME OF THE TOOLS MAY BE AS SIGNIFICANT AS A COMPRESSOR EVEN SMALL TOOLS IN A SMALL EQUIPMENT AND THOSE PERIODICALLY MAY GO OUT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED A FEW WEEKS AGO. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST KIND OF CONTINUE TO MANAGE AND KNOWING THAT YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, A LEAN BUDGET AT TIMES. SO THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE JUST CONTINUOUSLY MANAGE. OKAY. I'M HEARING A THEME ACROSS MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS THAT WE'RE LIMPING ALONG WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT. WE'RE STRETCHING THINGS OUT TO MAKE THEM LAST LONG BEYOND THEIR THEIR ANTICIPATED LIFE. I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE JUST. YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THAT SOUNDS LIKE TO MAKE THINGS WORK, I'LL ADD YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WORKS IS GOING THROUGH A TRANSITION. FORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL APPROVED AN ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM SOFTWARE SYSTEM THAT HELPS, YOU KNOW, PUT IN THE WORK ORDER SYSTEMS AS WELL, THAT THAT KIND OF ALSO CAPTURES ALL THE MATERIALS, THE, THE STORAGE LEVELS, THE THE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT OR RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, WHAT TIME IS BEING SPENT TO, TO DEDICATE TOWARDS WORK. AND AS THAT AS THAT PROGRAM CONTINUES TO GROW, THAT IT ALLOWS US TO TRACK OUR WORK PERFORMANCE. YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT OUR LEVEL OF PERFORMANCE IS OR LEVEL OF SERVICES. SO THAT KIND OF LAUNCHED THIS YEAR. SO WE'RE WITH ABOUT THIS TIME NEXT YEAR I'LL HAVE BETTER INFORMATION TO KIND OF HELP SHAPE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE, YOU KNOW PRIORITY NEEDS MORE SO THAN I CAN TODAY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY TRACKING ASSETS, INCLUDING FLEET AND ALL THE INVENTORY IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF PUBLIC WORKS INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU YOU MANAGE THOSE TOOLS OR RESOURCES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S SOFTWARE ALLOWS YOU TO BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH WHAT YOU HAVE. YES. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION ON ENGINEERING SERVICES. I SHOWED 20,000. I APOLOGIZE IF I'M NOT READING THIS CORRECTLY, AS I SHOULD, BUT IT SHOWS A $20,000 FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES. ALTHOUGH THERE WAS A 2023 IMPACT FEE UPDATE WENT FROM 11 TO 0, BUT ENGINEERING SERVICES WENT FROM 0 TO 20. SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THOSE ENGINEERING SERVICES ARE? SO THE THE OTHER TWO ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THE CURRENT YEAR ARE REALLY INTENDED FOR THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. THE ONE THAT'S PROPOSED FOR NEXT YEAR IS FOR PUBLIC WORKS, AND THAT'S THE 20,000 THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED. THAT IS ON A I'LL STEP BACK IS AS WE'RE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, OR EXPANDING OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS WE WILL HIT A TRIGGER FOR MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A PRETREATMENT INDUSTRIAL PRETREATMENT PROGRAM. AND SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS RIGHT NOW TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE UPDATED ORDINANCES. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH ADMINISTRATIVE CAPACITY AND AUTHORITY WHEN WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT THAT ALSO INCLUDES A WHAT WE CALL A LOCAL LIMIT STUDY. AND LOCAL LIMIT STUDY IS TYPICALLY DONE BY AN ENGINEERING FIRM TO SIGN OFF ON THE APPROVAL PROCESS, TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE CONTAMINANTS OF CONCERN THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AND WHAT THOSE LEVELS ARE. SO THAT ENGINEERING COMPONENT IS FOR FOR THAT NEXT YEAR. AND SO ALSO OTHER THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN IS OTHER SERVICES THAT INCLUDE LABORATORY TESTING AND, YOU KNOW, SAMPLING LOCATIONS AND DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY OR DIFFERENT TARGETS. SO THEY KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE THE ENGINEERING SERVICES BUDGET LINE ITEM COMES FROM. IS THAT KIND OF UNDER THE GUIDANCE AND AUSPICES OF THE T-C-E-Q OR THEIR RULES AND THINGS? YEAH. SO CURRENTLY WE'RE NOT REQUIRED BY T-C-E-Q TO HAVE A PRETREATMENT PROGRAM. BUT AS YOU KNOW, CITIES LIKE OUR SIZE START TO GROW AND REACH A THRESHOLD IN TREATMENT CAPACITY. THEN IT BECOMES MORE OF A REQUIREMENT. [04:50:03] AND SO WE'RE PREPARING OURSELVES FOR THE EXPANSIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. I WORK I MAY HAVE DONE THIS WRONG. THE YEAR OVER. UTILITIES TWO. RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. I THINK ON THE SALARIES. I THINK YOU HAVE TWO MORE FTES APPROVED THAN SALARIES ARE IN THE BUDGET. THERE'S A TOTAL, I BELIEVE, OF 22 CURRENT POSITIONS THIS YEAR AND PROPOSED FOR NEXT YEAR'S 20. YEAH. AND WHEN I GO THROUGH I CUT TWO POSITIONS OUT OF THE UTILITY FUND. THAT'S PROBABLY WHY YOU DON'T SEE THE THE SALARIES. AND THEY WON'T SHOW UP IN THE FTE COUNT UNTIL THEY'RE REMOVED. IS IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING? HOLD ON, I'LL TELL YOU. THAT MIGHT BE IT. SO OKAY, SO WHEN IT SAYS 22 CURRENT LEMONADE TO THE NEW TOTALS 20 THE NEW TOTAL FOR NEXT YEAR IS BUDGETED FOR 20. I WAS THINKING 22 IS WHAT YOU HAD AFTER YOU. OH, AFTER THE CUT. AFTER YOU CUT. OKAY. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU DIDN'T ALL OF A SUDDEN GO, WHOOPS. TWO PEOPLE DON'T GET PAID. I'VE BEEN TOLD. I'VE BEEN TOLD WHICH ONES ARE CUT. NO, I MEAN, LIKE, IF WE DIDN'T IF WE DIDN'T GIVE YOU THE MONEY FOR THEM OR SOMETHING, WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK ANYWAY JUST TO MAKE SURE. IF IT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT, THEN WE CAN AT LEAST PUT EYES ON IT AND VALIDATE THAT IT IS RIGHT. YEAH. NO, I THINK YOU'RE FINE, BECAUSE MY NOTE IS FTE COUNT OF 22. WAGES FOR 20. YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. FY 23. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT DEPARTMENT THIS WAS. I'M NOT GONNA BRING THAT UP. OKAY? WHAT YOU GOT NEXT? THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT FOR ME. THANKS FOR ANY QUESTIONS. GOT ONE FOR DAVID. DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE HIM OUT? I KNOW, MY ONLY QUESTION. DAVID, IS WHEN I GO THROUGH THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A BUNCH OF CHANGES IN PROGRAMS TO WHERE THEY MUST HAVE BEEN SOMEWHERE ELSE AND BROUGHT TO YOUR DEPARTMENT. DAVID AMSLER, DIRECTOR OF STRATEGIC OPERATIONS, FOR THE RECORD. THAT'S CORRECT. SO WE MOVED OVER FROM THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT TO STRATEGIC OPERATIONS AS WELL AS THE GALLUP EMPLOYEE ENGAGEMENT PROGRAM. WHAT IS IT CALLED? RESIDENT. QUALTRICS. IT'S A TREND NOW. SO IT'S CALLED QUALTRICS. IT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST DATA GATHERING SOFTWARES IN THE WORLD. IT'S TAUGHT IN COLLEGES FOR PEOPLE WHO TAKE STATISTICS BECAUSE MOST COMPANIES USE IT. THAT IS THE RESIDENT EXPERIENCE PROGRAM. IS IS WHAT I'M COINING IT RIGHT NOW. ESSENTIALLY, IT ALLOWS US TO GET A LOT MORE POINT OF CONTACTS WHEN THE SERVICE IS OCCURRING, ESPECIALLY ON OUR WEBSITE. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I WAS TO START SHAKING MY MOUSE IN FRUSTRATION OR HITTING THE BACK BUTTON OVER AND OVER OR CLICKING QUITE A LOT IT WOULD POP UP AND ASK FOR FEEDBACK RIGHT THEN AND THERE. IT ALSO GIVES US MORE ACCESS TO SURVEYS AND QR CODES ACROSS ALL SERVICES. SO UTILITY BILLING, PARKS, PD YOU NAME IT, IT CAN BUILD IT. IT IS ALSO TO CENTRALIZE ALL OF OUR DATA IN THE CITY INTO ONE PLACE. SO 45,000 BUCKS? YES, SIR. A YEAR. IT'S. IT IS AN INVESTMENT. SO? SO I UNDERSTAND COUNCIL 5000 A YEAR. YES, SIR. SCALES UP WITH OTHER MODULES. OR IS THIS. IT'S 45,000. AND THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING IN IT. SO IT WOULD GROW WITH THE CITY. AND IT'S A THREE YEAR CONTRACT. SO GUARANTEED AT THAT RATE. YOU KNOW, WHEN I GET ON THE WEBSITE AND I'M STRUGGLING BECAUSE I'M FRUSTRATED CLICKING, TRYING TO FIND IMPACT FEES AND IT'S NOT PULLING UP. SO YOU GUYS KNOW THAT. WHAT WILL YOU DO THEN. WILL YOU THEN THEN WE WOULD DOUBLE TICKET. SO YOU JUST KNOW THAT. SO SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS A POP UP BOX WOULD OCCUR SAYING HOW CAN WE HELP YOU? RIGHT. PLEASE GIVE US FEEDBACK ON WHAT WENT WRONG WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE TODAY. THAT WOULD GO DIRECTLY TO THE DEPARTMENT FOR, IF WE'RE USING THE WEBSITE AS AN EXAMPLE, THAT WOULD GO DIRECTLY TO THE COMMUNICATIONS [04:55:03] DEPARTMENT, AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE A TICKET TO SHOW WHAT THE ISSUE WAS. IT WOULD RECREATE IT. IT WOULD TAKE LIKE A SCREEN RECORDING, ESSENTIALLY. AND THEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO FIX IT. SO, SO THE KEY WORD THERE IS THAT THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT WOULD THEN NEED TO FIX IT. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. IF IT WORKS HALF AS GOOD AS SALT, YOU SOLVE IT. OR HOW TO SOLVE IT, I LOVE THAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S BEEN A VERY I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S AT IN HERE. IS THAT. THAT WOULD BE CALLED THE ONE VIEW. YEAH. GOOD INVESTMENT. I GUESS WE CAN LOOK BACK IN A YEAR AND SEE IF THIS IS 45,000 IS WORTH IT. BUT IF IT WORKS HALF AS GOOD AS HOW TO SOLVE IT, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GOOD, BECAUSE THAT, I THINK, IS GETTING STUFF DONE BECAUSE NO ONE EVER YELLS AT ME FOR NOT NOT GETTING DONE. BUT THE CALLS ARE GETTING CLOSED. AND SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS DOING THAT. YEAH, EVERYONE'S WORKED REALLY, REALLY HARD ON IT AND IS DOING A GOOD JOB WITH IT. I HOPE I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE USING IT. ARE THERE OTHER PEOPLE USING IT? I'M USING IT. ARE YOU? YEAH. I'M JUST DRIVING AROUND, TAKING PICTURES. LIKE THIS PERSON TOLD ME. THIS. THIS PERSON TOLD ME THAT. I'M COUNT COUNCIL MEMBER. KING USED IT TOO. HE HAS A REQUEST IN THERE. YEAH. ARE THEY ANSWERING IT ON TIME? THEY'RE GOOD. THEY'RE ON IT. FIXED YET? IT'S LIKE IT GOT CLOSED IN, LIKE, TWO MINUTES. THEY WERE FAST. YEAH. ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WE WANT TO TO HIT PEOPLE AT THE POINT OF SERVICE IS LESS OF 20 PEOPLE HAVING THAT ISSUE, BUT ONLY 1 OR 2 REACHING OUT TO THE CITY MANAGER OR REACHING OUT TO OUR COUNCIL, AND THEN WE HEAR ABOUT IT. BUT IF, IF, IF EVEN IF ONE PERSON IS REACHING OUT TO YOU THAT THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE HAVING THE EXACT SAME ISSUE, SO IF WE'RE ABLE TO HIT THEM AT THE POINT OF SERVICE AND CORRECT IT, HOPEFULLY THAT'S LESS PHONE CALLS TO Y'ALL AS WELL. ALL RIGHT, I LOVE IT. I THINK I LOVE IT. YOU WILL. I WILL PROMISE. YEAH. THANKS, SIR. MY OTHER QUESTION WAS FOR THAT. I HAD SEEN MONICA HERE. WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE AMOUNT. YOU BE THE. WHAT ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT UB UTILITY BILLING. YEAH. JUST FROM A A STANDPOINT OF WAS THAT DAVID TWO. NO, NO THAT WOULD BE ALBERTA. OH OKAY. SO THERE WAS KIND OF A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO SIGN UP OR MOVE ACCOUNTS TO PEOPLE. YOU WERE THERE FOR THAT, RIGHT? WAS IT. YES. I CAN'T REMEMBER. ANYWAY, IT SEEMED LIKE AN EXTREMELY LONG TIME. AND IS THERE, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS LIKE 30 MINUTES OR MORE TO TO SIGN UP A NEW ACCOUNT. AND I THOUGHT, MAN, IT HAS GOT TO BE SOME TECHNOLOGY TO HELP US GET IT TO WHERE, WHETHER IT BE BACKGROUND CHECK, CREDIT CHECK OR WHATEVER. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW ACCURATE ALL THAT IS, BUT IF IT IS TRULY TAKEN THAT LONG. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS I'D LIKE US TO LOOK AT. ONE I WAS HEARING. STANDING OUTSIDE, WE SEEM TO BE TAKING A LOT OF MONEY THAT'S NOT ELECTRONICALLY. SO I'D ALMOST LIKE US TO LOOK AT. CAN WE OFFER A FREE ELECTRONIC WAY OF PAYMENT, WHETHER IT BE EFT OR ACH OR WHATEVER? AND THIS WILL GO OVER LIKE A LEAD BALLOON, BUT CHARGING A FEE FOR CASH AND CHECK, BECAUSE WE HAVE COSTS IN HERE FOR TAKING CASH. AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO HOW MUCH WE ARE OR ARE NOT TAKING. BUT EVERYBODY'S PAYING THEIR BILLS ELECTRONICALLY FOR CELL PHONES AND FOR OTHER SERVICES. AND SO WHAT I CAN THINK OF IS CASH IS FREE, BUT IF WE SWITCH IT AND WE DO IT OVER LIKE SIX MONTHS FROM NOW. EDUCATION PROGRAM GET PEOPLE TO THE FREE OPTION. I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR US NOT TO BE HAVING THAT MANY CHECKS AND CASH AND JUST DEALING WITH ALL THAT, AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE CAN DO AWAY WITH IT. KIND OF LIKE TIFF'S TREATS AND IT JUST, IT JUST DON'T TAKE CASH. AND THEN THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE THE ARMORED CAR AND, AND THEN WHATEVER THE SOFTWARE NEEDS TO BE FOR THE THIS ACCOUNT SET UP TO WHERE I KNOW TEMPLE JUST GOT A PRETTY SLICK NEW SYSTEM. BUT I DON'T KNOW, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT THERE'S A LOT GOING ON BACK THERE. BUT IF IT'S, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE TECH COULD FIX IT. BUT AGAIN, YOU GUYS MAY COME BACK AND SAY IT'S A $200,000 PROGRAM TO FIX IT. AND THEN I'M LIKE, NEVER MIND. I DON'T KNOW. JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE FOR DISCUSSION SAKES. THANK YOU. ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING ELSE ON THE BUDGET? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. WE'LL GO ON TO ITEM FOUR THREE CONSIDERATION. [4.3. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-192 calling and setting up a public hearing on September 4, 2025 at 7:00 PM on the proposed tax rate for fiscal year 2025-2026 and determining the proposed tax rate to be included in the hearing notice and meeting, and providing an effective date. (Alberta Barrett) ] POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R, DASH 2020 5-192 CALLING AND SETTING UP A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2025 AT 7 P.M. [05:00:03] ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 2026, AND DETERMINING THE PROPOSED TAX RATE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE HEARING NOTICE AND MEETING AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALBERTA BARRETT, FINANCE DIRECTOR, FOR THE RECORD. SO THIS IS ON HERE SO THAT WE CAN SCHEDULE OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE NOT VOTING ON THE RATE TONIGHT. YOU'RE JUST SETTING WHAT THE RATE WOULD BE FOR THE NOTICE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE THAT NEEDS TO BE PUBLISHED. SO AS YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY, WHAT'S ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET IS THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE OF 0.385928, WHICH FOR THE GENERAL FUND GENERATES 14,000,005 25 766 66, AND FOR THE DEBT SERVICE FUND OR THE INTEREST IN SINKING PORTION 7,000,006 66737. AND AGAIN, JUST TO NOTE THAT PAYS YOUR PRINCIPAL INTEREST PAYMENTS FOR THIS COMING YEAR. SO WHAT WE HAVE FOR TONIGHT IS TO, AGAIN ADOPT THE TAX RATE THAT YOU WANT TO PUT IN THE NOTICE. YOU CAN SET IT AT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. AND YOU CAN DO IT WITH ONE PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 4TH, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU DESIRE. AND WE CAN HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPT THE BUDGET AND THE TAX RATE IN THAT HEARING. KEEP IN MIND YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR BUDGET ADOPTION BEFORE YOU ADOPT YOUR TAX RATE. IF YOU WANT TO SET A RATE THAT'S HIGHER THAN YOUR NO NEW REVENUE RATE YOU'LL NEED TO DO TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. AND THEN AFTER THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING, YOU CAN YOU CAN ADOPT IT AGAIN, THE BUDGET AND THEN THE TAX. AND THIS IS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THIS IS THE SETTING OF THE NOT TO EXCEED RATE. CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. CAN'T GO HIGHER. BUT YOU CAN YOU CAN'T GO RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM SOMEONE TO SET A TAX RATE. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION R 2025 192. SETTING THE TAX RATE AT NO NEW REVENUE RATE. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT'S .385928. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. ISN'T THERE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT THEY HAVE TO READ TO? NOT UNTIL IT'S ADOPTED. OKAY. ADOPTED. BUT THE RESOLUTION DOES NOT HAVE A BLANK THAT WE ALWAYS INSERT THIS. ARE YOU GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT IN THE RESOLUTION. MAY I SECOND THE MOTION. THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE USED LAST YEAR. I THINK THE ONE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IS THE ONE THAT WE DO WHEN WE ADOPT. IT HAS THE BLANK IN THERE AND THEN HAS THE SPECIAL WORDING FOR THE MOTION. THIS IS VERBATIM AS TO WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR FOR THE SETTING OF THE RATE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. BUT WHAT RIGHT DO YOU KNOW TO PUT IN THE NOTICE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE? I THOUGHT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO PUT IN A NOTICE IF WE DID. NO NEW REVENUE. WE DON'T NOTICE THAT. RIGHT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT. YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO, BUT WE WILL DO THAT. THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE. SO EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF WHAT YOU'RE SETTING THE RATE. SURE. NO. BECAUSE WHEN YOU GOT ALL THE OTHER CITIES WHERE IT'S LIKE THERE ARE NO NEW REVENUE, EVERYBODY ELSE IS LIKE UP FIVE, UP SIX, UP EIGHT. AUSTIN, MAYBE WE COULD PUT IT NEXT TO THE AUSTIN TAX RATE THAT'S GOING UP LIKE SOME UNGODLY AMOUNT. IF IF YOU TELL ME IF YOU WANT ME TO REVISE IT IN SOME WAY. NO. IF IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE PUBLIC NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER, THIS 0.385, YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT IN THE. BECAUSE ALL YOU'RE DOING IS DIRECTING STAFF TO SET THE PROPOSED TAX RATE. AND THEY'VE ALREADY SAID WHAT IT WAS IN THEIR MOTION. OKAY. I THINK YOU'RE FINE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I WAS JUST CONCERNED THERE WAS GOING TO BE NO NUMBER IN THE NEWSPAPER. I'M SORRY. DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER. GORDON. NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER. KING. I. MAYOR. SNYDER. I. COUNCIL MEMBER. MAURICE I. MAYOR PRO TEM. THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. THOMPSON. NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER. PORTERFIELD. AYE. MOTION PASSES FIVE TWO. AND WITH THAT, WE'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 11:04 P.M., AUGUST 14TH. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY AND STAFF. STAY WITH US. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR STAYING. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.