Aug 21, 2025 City Council

THE SECOND MOTION I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE ARE ACTUALLY 15.

REAPPOINTMENTS. ALL OF THESE INDIVIDUALS EXPIRED BASICALLY JULY 1ST.

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THERE'S STILL WISH TO PARTICIPATE AND ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THEIR SEPARATE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. SO I, I'D LIKE TO JUST PRESENT THESE AS ONE MOTION, UNLESS I WANT ME TO DO IT BY BOARD.

THE REPRESENTATIVES HERE ARE DEB HPC PARKS, IRC BUILDINGS AND STANDARDS, THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD, AND THE ZBA ANY A MOTION.

YOU CAN DO IT HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT. OKAY. ANY OBJECTION TO THAT? I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE, AND I'VE GIVEN THESE WRITTEN NAMES ALSO TO CITY SECRETARY FOR SPELLING.

BUT FOR THE DIB COMMISSION WE HAVE JAVI LEWIS AND KARINA ZAPATA FOR THE CIRCLE PRESERVATION ASIAN COMMISSION COMMITTEE IS ALEX ORTIZ, DEANNE WORLEY FOR PARKS, WE HAVE BRIAN WASHINGTON, MILTON RACEK, PERRY SAVARD FOR THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION, WE HAVE CHERYL STEWART AND CHARLES WARNER FOR THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS.

WE HAVE CHERYL STEWART, TONY WERTZ, OLIN PETKE, AND FOR THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD, ANGELA HARTMANN, JAMES MATLOCK, AND FOR THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, KEITH JONES. THAT IS 15 IN TOTAL.

WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER MORRIS, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR. SNIDER.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. KING.

I. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

I'D JUST LIKE TO GIVE A LITTLE UPDATE CURRENTLY ON THE DEIB.

DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION OF BONDING.

IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK YEAH.

IS WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES ON THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION.

COMMISSION? WE HAVE ONE VACANCY ON THE PARKS.

WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES ON THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION.

WE HAVE ONE VACANCY ON THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS.

WE HAVE ONE VACANCY ON THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD.

WE HAVE ZERO VACANCIES.

AND ON THE ZBA THIS IS THE CONCERN.

WE HAVE THREE VACANCIES AND WE HAVE THREE ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE VACANT.

WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT BUT HAVEN'T MET YET WITH THE THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS SUBCOMMITTEE IS THAT WE'D LIKE, KIND OF LIKE TO PULL THE PNC APPLICANTS, THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS.

AND OBVIOUSLY IS TRY TO BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL THE SAME INTERESTS TYPICALLY.

AND THAT'S HOW I STARTED.

I WAS ON THE ZBA FIRST AND THEN MOVED UP TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING.

SO WE'RE GOING TO START LOOKING AT BECAUSE WE HAVE PROBABLY 3 OR 4 CANDIDATES BETWEEN THOSE THOSE THREE COMMISSIONS.

AND SO WE WANT TO START LOOKING AT IF YOUR PNC.

WISH THAT WE GET YOU ON THE ZBA OR BUILDING AND STANDARDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I'D LIKE TO PUSH THESE OUT THAT WE STILL NEED MORE APPLICANTS.

WE STILL HAVE SOME APPLICANTS THAT STILL NEED TO BE REVIEWED AND INTERVIEWED.

I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN GET AS MANY MORE PEOPLE AS APPLICANTS, I'D GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. AND ALL THE CITY COUNCIL AND OUR CITY WOULD BENEFIT FROM IT GREATLY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR EIGHT? ONE? YEAH, I'VE GOT JUST A COUPLE.

SO WHEN WE CHANGED OUR PROTOCOLS, WE REMOVED THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS OUT OF THE PURVIEW OF THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO NOMINATE THOSE AS A COUNCIL. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO LET THE COUNCIL KNOW THAT MY, MY APPOINTMENTS ON BOTH THE COTTONWOOD CREEK DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND THE RIVER CREEK DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION EXPIRED IN JUNE, ON JUNE 30TH.

AND SO I'M WILLING TO CONTINUE TO SERVE ON BOTH OF THOSE.

IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE ME, IF SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A TURN HAVING SOME FUN ON AN LGC.

HAPPY TO DO THAT TOO. SOMEBODY WANTS TO STEP IN, BUT I WOULD EITHER NEED TO BE NOMINATED OR SOMEBODY ELSE NEEDS TO MOTION FOR NOMINATION.

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO STEP UP? I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE PETER GORDON SECOND.

OKAY. THE LGC COTTONWOOD, COTTONWOOD AND RIVER CREEK.

BOTH COTTONWOOD AND RIVER CREEK. COTTONWOOD.

RIVER. CREEK. MORRIS. MOTION SECOND.

PORTERFIELD. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

KING. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

COUNCILMEMBER. PORTERFIELD, A COUNCILMEMBER. GORDON, A MAYOR. SNYDER A COUNCILMEMBER.

MORRIS, A MAYOR PRO TEM.

THORNTON, A COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON, A.

ITEM EIGHT TWO CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RECOMMENDATIONS OR UPDATES FROM

ANY OTHERS? ALL RIGHT.

[8.2. Consideration and possible action regarding recommendations or updates from City Council sub-committees (i.e. HISD, CIP, UDC, Public Safety, Co-Op). ]

CITY COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEES.

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ISD MEETS TOMORROW. CIP DID NOT MEET UDC.

WE MET AND I FORGOT THE TWO THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF IT THE OVERALL THEMES.

I FORGOT THAT IT WAS ALONG THE SAME THING.

I'LL BE HONEST, I FORGOT WHAT WE EVEN THE SECTION OF CHAPTER THREE WE WENT THROUGH.

SAME. YEAH. I'M NOT. IT WAS VERY BORING.

YEAH, IT WAS EXCITING.

SO WE HAVE ON THAT. THEN WE HAD THE CO-OP ONE.

WE MET TODAY AND CORRECT ME IF I GET SOMETHING WRONG.

WE TALKED ABOUT EVERYTHING FROM PARKING AT THE GYM BUILDING TO THE RIGHT OF WAY OFF OF EXCHANGE TO LANDSCAPING, ALONG THE ALONG THE PARKING GARAGE.

WE TALKED ABOUT FISHING.

WHAT'S THE OTHER COUPLE THINGS? THE RESTROOMS, THE PUBLIC RESTROOMS BEING BUILT, SCREENING.

WHAT'S THAT SCREENING? OH, THE SCREENING. SCREENING? YEAH.

SO WE SPENT MOST OF OUR TIME TALKING ABOUT FISHING AND TRYING TO WORK A COMPROMISE BETWEEN THEIR CONCERNS AND THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

I THINK WE CAME TOWARDS THE END OF THAT SCREENING.

WE MAY HAVE. SEE, I SAID THAT IMMEDIATELY.

DAN LOOKED UP SCREENING? THEY WOULD RATHER NOT DO THAT COST AND INSTEAD SPEND THE MONEY ELSEWHERE.

SO THERE MAY BE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT WAS YOUR NUMBER ONE THING. NO, I'LL JUST SAY THAT WAS IN THE AGREEMENT, AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP.

IF WE CHOOSE TO ALTER THE AGREEMENT, THEN WE CHOOSE TO ALTER THE AGREEMENT.

WE WE USED IT TO OUR BENEFIT, I THINK.

AND THEN COUNCIL MAYOR THOMPSON HAD A GREAT IDEA. AT THE END, THEY CAME UP WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A, HEY, WE'RE ABLE TO PUT SOME APARTMENTS IN HERE, BUT THERE'S KIND OF LIKE AN ALLEYWAY. WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE ABANDONED IT.

WE WERE ALL KIND OF LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR APARTMENTS, EVEN THOUGH YOU GET TO HAVE THEM.

COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON BROUGHT UP THAT IF YOU GUYS DO THIS, WHAT ABOUT BUILDING OUT THE REST OF LIVE OAK ALL THE WAY TO ED SCHMIDT TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF HERE? AND SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA.

THEY OBVIOUSLY DID NOT THINK THAT WAS THE BEST IDEA, BUT THEY DIDN'T SAY NO RIGHT OF WAY.

AND WE SAID, LOOK, WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER. KIND OF I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY.

AND SO THERE'LL BE SOME STUFF COMING FORWARD.

BUT I APPRECIATE THE CRITICAL THINKING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON DID, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, IS FIGURE OUT NEW WAYS TO GET PEOPLE TO PAY FOR STUFF. THEY WANT TO ABANDON THE ROAD.

AND HE SAID, IF YOU BUILD ANOTHER ROAD, MAYBE IT'S A TRADE OFF HERE.

SAFE TO SAY, YEAH, YOU CAN MAKE THAT A PROJECT IN THEIR TOURS.

THERE YOU GO. THEY'LL LIKE HEARING THAT.

OKAY. WHAT WOULD THE LIKE THE CO-OP TOURS? EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT WITHIN THE BOUNDARY, IT WOULD BENEFIT THE BOUNDARY KIND OF THING.

OKAY. THE PROJECT PLAN TO INCLUDE THAT.

WELL, TO PUT THE ROUNDABOUT IN THERE FOR SURE.

BOY, I'M LOVING THIS. THERE YOU GO.

TAKE THAT OFF THE CIP PLAN.

AND WE DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY, A DISCUSSION ITEM ON YOUR EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AND THE HOLD OFF IS, IS THEY WANTED TO GET THE MOU ALL BUTTONED UP BEFORE THEY MADE ANY MOVEMENT ON THAT, SO. WELL, COOL.

THAT'S GOOD NEWS. MAYBE COMING FOR THE PEOPLE.

I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S ANY OTHER.

WE HAVEN'T MET ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY AGAIN.

JAMES ISN'T HERE. WE'RE WAITING INFORMATION BACK FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING.

HAVE YOU GUYS HEARD ANY MORE ON THAT? I HAVEN'T.

KING. HAVE YOU HEARD? I HAVEN'T, I THINK THAT'S IT.

RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE NINE ONE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE PROPOSED STROMBERG

[9.1. Presentation and discussion related to the proposed Stromberg Public Improvement District and correlating development. (a) Project proposal by the Development Planning and Financing Group. (Zach Crawford and Christian Villarreal). (b) Proposed Public Improvement District financial overview and analysis. (Jim Sabonis)]

PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. AND CORRELATING PROJECT SUB, A PROJECT PROPOSAL BY THE DEVELOPMENT, PLANNING AND FINANCE GROUP AND B PROPOSED PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT FINANCIAL OVERVIEW AND ANALYSIS.

MAYOR COUNCIL SARAH CERVANTES, DIRECTOR OF REAL ESTATE FOR THE RECORD. WE'VE GOT THE DEVELOPING PARTY HERE FOR STROMBERG TO GIVE YOU THE INITIAL PRESENTATION. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR MIKE SABONIS AND HIS TEAM TO GIVE THAT SECOND PRESENTATION AND ALLOW FOR ANY DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL. MY NAME IS CHRISTIAN VILLARREAL.

I'M WITH DFG. I'M REPRESENTING WINEMAKER FOR THE STROMBERG PIG THAT IS BEING BROUGHT FORWARD. WE ARE MAKING SOME PROGRESS WITH YOUR STAFF.

SO THEY HAVE ASKED THAT WE COME FORWARD AND KIND OF GIVE A REFRESHER ON THE PROJECT AND KIND OF GIVE YOU ALL THE TWO CONCEPTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THIS PIG.

SO SORRY, CAN YOU JUST GIVE JUST A LITTLE BIT SOFTER? THAT'S BETTER. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SORRY ABOUT THAT, GUYS.

SO. MY BAD. I'M SO SORRY.

IF YOU BREAK IT, IT COMES OUT OF HEAD.

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ALL RIGHT. I CAN WORK WITH THAT.

SO JUST TO GIVE YOU KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE LOCATION, REMINDER OF WHERE THE PROJECT IS, WE'RE JUST SOUTH OF THE MEGA SITE, SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 132, BETWEEN FM 3349 AND COUNTY ROAD 134.

THIS IS A LOT OF TEXT.

I DON'T PLAN TO BORE YOU AND READ THROUGH ALL OF THE TEXTS.

THIS WAS SUBMITTED WITH OUR BID PETITION.

I DO JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE KEY ITEMS HERE.

OR SO. THESE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE ARE THE RECOMMEND OR THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE POLICY AND WHAT Y'ALL DESIRE WHENEVER A PYD IS BROUGHT FORWARD.

THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS HOW WE FEEL.

WE ARE ADDRESSING THOSE REQUESTS ON THOSE NINE REQUESTS AND PYD REQUIREMENTS.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO POINT OUT HERE WE HAVE A ROUNDABOUT THAT'S GOING TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE WITHIN THE PROJECT, GOING TO HELP CONNECT YOUR THOROUGHFARE THROUGH THE PROJECT.

AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ADDRESSING STANDARDS OVER AND ABOVE THE CITY'S ADOPTED UDC. ON THE NEXT SLIDE HERE A KEY ITEM THERE ON THE BOTTOM IS THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE THAT THE PYD IS GOING TO BE GENERATING.

AND I'LL GO THAT INTO THAT FURTHER LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.

AND THEN HERE JUST KIND OF TOUCHING ON SOME MORE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE PYD WILL BE UNLOCKING IN THIS AREA AND CONNECTING FOR YOUR WATER AND WASTEWATER, AS WELL AS POTENTIAL JOB CREATION.

THERE IS CONTEMPLATED A LOT OF COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS FOR ONE OF OUR OPTIONS THAT WAS APPROVED THROUGH THE PUD IS A INDUSTRIAL PIECE, AND THAT WILL ALSO BE A GREAT JOB CREATION FOR THE CITY.

SO HERE IS OUR APPROVED PRELIM PLAT.

THIS SOUTHERN RESIDENTIAL, THERE'S KIND OF AN EAST AND WEST BIFURCATING ROAD IN THE PROJECT. JUST SOUTH OF THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY KIND OF PLOTTED OUT AND APPROVED WITH OUR PLAT.

THAT IS GOING TO BE THE SAME REGARDLESS OF WHICH OPTION THE DEVELOPER PURSUES LATER DOWN THE ROAD. BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THAT HERE THAT WE HAVE MADE PROGRESS, AT LEAST ON THAT SOUTHERN PORTION.

AND WHAT Y'ALL CAN EXPECT IN THAT SOUTHERN PORTION FOR THE RESIDENTIAL IS THAT THE EAST WILCO HIGHWAY THAT ABUTS UP AGAINST THE SOUTHERN PORTION.

YOU KNOW, OKAY, THAT'S OUR ENGINEER HERE FOR ENGINEER SPECIFICS.

HERE IS JUST KIND OF A BRIEF OVERVIEW, KIND OF BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF THE CONCEPT PLAN.

THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THE PUD.

SO AGAIN SOUTHERN PORTION THERE BEING THE RESIDENTIAL, THAT NORTHERN PORTION WOULD POTENTIALLY BE INDUSTRIAL DEPENDING ON HOW THE MARKET RECEIVES IT, DEPENDING ON IF WE CAN GET INDUSTRIAL USERS AND INTEREST IN THAT PORTION OF THE PROJECT. SO THAT IS THE DEVELOPER'S PREFERRED OPTION AND HOPEFULLY THE CITY'S PREFERRED OPTION AS WELL BECAUSE OF THAT JOB CREATION. THIS IS JUST KIND OF OUTLINING A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL WHAT THAT CONCEPT PLAN WOULD PRODUCE WITH THAT SOUTHERN PRELIM PLAT.

WE'RE LOOKING AT 742 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, 116 TOWNHOME UNITS.

AND FOR THE PER THE PUD WERE APPROVED UP TO 2.8 MILLION IN INDUSTRIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE.

THE SOUTHERN PORTION RIGHT NOW WE'RE SHOWING AROUND SEVEN ACRES OF COMMERCIAL 14 ROUGHLY 15 ACRES OF MULTIFAMILY.

THOSE COMMERCIAL MULTIFAMILY PARCELS WILL BE WITHIN THE BOUNDARY OF THE PIP.

WE DO NOT INTEND TO ASSESS THOSE.

AND JUST SOME KEY FIGURES HERE THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT AS A BENEFIT OF THIS.

THIS OPTION IS WE ARE PROJECTING ABOUT 6.9 MILLION IN COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE TO THE CITY OF HUTTO. WE'RE ALSO PROJECTING 3.1 MILLION IN REVENUES TO THE CITY BASED ON THE 24 TAX RATES AT BUILD OUT WITH THIS OPTION, AS WELL AS 9.4 TO HUTTO, ISD. THIS IS OUR ASSESSMENTS READ KIND OF SHOWING YOU WHERE THOSE VALUES ARE COMING FROM, SHOWING THE OVERALL ASSESSMENT THAT WE'RE PROJECTING.

WE'RE RIGHT AROUND A 69 CENT TAX RATE EQUIVALENT, WHICH IS EQUAL TO THE PRAIRIE WINDS THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED AND ISSUED.

SO HERE YOU'LL SEE, WE'RE PROJECTING A ROUGHLY 780 MILLION IN TOTAL ASSESSED FINISHED VALUE, WITH A ROUGHLY TOTAL GROSS ASSESSMENT OF 70 MILLION.

THESE NUMBERS RIGHT NOW WERE KIND OF PROJECTING THEM ON A CAPACITY BASIS, SEEING WHAT COULD BE SUPPORTED WITH THAT LEVEL OF TAX RATE.

AS WE GET FURTHER ALONG IN THE PROJECT AND GET MORE ENGINEERING AND GET MORE COST DETAILS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT TO YOU AS WE HAVE THEM.

OF COURSE, WE WILL NEVER ASSESS THE PROJECT FOR MORE THAN THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR THE PROJECT. SO AS WE IRON THAT OUT, IF WE NEED TO BRING THAT ASSESSMENT DOWN TO MATCH THE IMPROVEMENTS NECESSARY, WE WILL WE WILL DO THAT.

HERE'S A BREAKDOWN OF THAT TAX STACK SHOWING THE AGAIN THE TAX YEAR 2024 RATES.

AND WE ARE TARGETING THAT 285 TO MATCH PRAIRIE WINDS.

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HERE IS OPTION NUMBER TWO.

ALSO THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS SHOWN IN THE PUD.

THIS IS AGAIN IF WE WERE TO GO FULL RESIDENTIAL WITHOUT THE INDUSTRIAL PIECE.

THIS IS KIND OF A BIRD'S EYE CONCEPT PLAN OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AGAIN THAT SOUTHERN PORTION WOULD WOULDN'T BE THE SAME IN BOTH OPTIONS.

HERE WE ARE WORKING ON LOGGING OUT THAT NORTH PORTION TO SEE WHAT WOULD BE A REALISTIC CONCEPT PLAN OR WHAT A REALISTIC LOT COUNT WOULD BE IN THAT NORTHERN PORTION.

WITH THAT TOTAL, WE'RE LOOKING CLOSER TO 1300 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS.

1335 IS KIND OF OUR ROUGH ESTIMATE CURRENTLY.

AND WE ARE WORKING ON FINALIZING THAT AS SOON AS WE CAN.

208 TOWNHOME UNITS. AGAIN, THAT SOUTHERN PORTION WILL HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY.

WE'RE WORKING ON SEEING IF WE CAN FIT ANY MORE COMMERCIAL MULTIFAMILY IN THAT NORTHERN PORTION AS WELL. AGAIN, IT WOULD BE WITHIN THE BOUNDARY OF THE PYD, BUT WOULD NOT BE ASSESSED IF WE HAD THE COMMERCIAL MULTIFAMILY IN THERE.

AND HERE, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT NUMBERS, JUST BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT VALUATION WITH FULLY RESIDENTIAL AND NO INDUSTRIAL.

SO IN THIS KIND OF LOWER END, WE'RE LOOKING AT A 6 MILLION IN THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE, A 2.7 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL REVENUES TO THE CITY, 8.2 TO THE ISD FOR. HERE.

THE TOP SECTION. THAT IMPROVEMENT AREA ONE WOULD BE THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE RESIDENTIAL THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED.

THE IMPROVEMENT AREA TWO WOULD THEORETICALLY BE THAT NORTHERN PORTION.

HERE WE'RE SHOWING ABOUT 680 MILLION OF ASSESSED VALUE, SO ROUGHLY 100 MILLION LESS IN ASSESSED VALUE BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THAT INDUSTRIAL THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE. AND THEN A 60 MILLION TOTAL ASSESSMENT VERSUS THE APPROXIMATELY 70 MILLION ON THE OTHER OPTION.

AGAIN, THESE ARE FULLY CAPACITY ANALYZES DETERMINING WHAT THAT THOSE LAND USES COULD SUPPORT AT THE GIVEN TAX RATE THAT WE'RE TARGETING.

AND ONCE WE HAVE MORE DETAIL FOR YOU, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE THOSE IMPROVEMENT ESTIMATES AND COSTS ONCE WE HAVE THAT FURTHER ENGINEERED.

SAME TECH STACK HERE. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS GOING TO BE YOUR ESTIMATED AVALON REVENUES GENERATED FOR EACH JURISDICTION.

AND THEN HERE IS JUST SHOWING OUR COMPETITIVE TECH STACK AND HOW WE COMPARE TO OTHER PROJECTS IN THE AREA. AGAIN, WE'RE WANTING TO MATCH PRAIRIE WIND, SINCE THAT IS A A FINISHED PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN ISSUED AND HAS BEEN TRULY ASSESSED.

WE HAVE THE PROPOSED SQUARE IN MEADOWBROOK ON HERE, JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE FOR THEIR APPROVED RATES CURRENTLY.

I KNOW I RAN THROUGH THAT FAIRLY QUICKLY.

DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, FOR OUR ENGINEER THAT I CAN HELP ANSWER FOR YOU GUYS? THANK YOU SIR.

ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. IS THERE AN OPTION THREE? FORTUNATELY NOT. NO, NOT IN THE PUD.

NOW, THE ONLY REASON I ASK THE QUESTION IS, IS YOU KNOW, I'M A BIG FAN OF OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE IT DOES GENERATE JOBS AND GENERATE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE NEW TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY.

NOT A REAL BIG FAN OF RESIDENTIAL.

WE'RE JUST SO INUNDATED WITH RESIDENTIAL RIGHT NOW.

BUT THAT'S THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

IF IF THERE'S AN OPTION THREE OR IF, IF THAT'S EVEN A CONSIDERATION.

SURE. YEAH. NO, I THINK THE, THE PREFERRED OPTION IS DEFINITELY THE, THE HALF INDUSTRIAL KIND OF PIECE.

BUT AGAIN, IT WOULD BE DICTATED BY THE MARKET.

AND WE ARE GOING BASED OFF WHAT IS APPROVED IN THAT PUD.

AND THOSE ARE KIND OF THE TWO OPTIONS IN THAT PUD FOR US.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR. SO WHAT ARE THE WHAT'S THE ESTIMATED IF YOU HAVE THIS, WHAT ARE THE ESTIMATED IMPROVEMENTS? AND HOW WILL THAT BE STRUCTURED FOR PROPERTY OWNERS? SHOULD WE GO WITH THAT OPTION ONE.

SO DEFINITELY PUBLIC STREETS, PUBLIC WATER SEWER.

SOME I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME PARKS AND OPEN SPACE.

I THINK WE HAD. WE HAVE A LIFT STATION ON THIS ONE.

NO. DO YOU WANT TO TALK MORE ON IT? YEAH, I ENGINEER EXPAND ON THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU.

NO. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SETH MERRITT WITH GRAY CIVIL OR THE CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT? IN ADDITION TO THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT CHRISTIAN JUST MENTIONED, THE PROBABLY THE NORTH SOUTH ARTERIAL IS ONE OF THE MAIN IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL ADD A TON OF VALUE TO THE CITY THAT CONNECTS THE EAST WILCO HIGHWAY, WHICH WAS ON THE SOUTH END, OR PLAN WEST THAT YOU SAW ON THE CONCEPT.

THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD CONSTRUCT TWO LANES OF THAT ROADWAY ALL THE WAY UP TO COUNTY ROAD 132, WHICH IS THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MEGA SITE, AND IT WOULD INCLUDE AT LEAST ONE ROUNDABOUT THERE TO ALLOW TRAFFIC, WHICH IF YOU'RE ON THAT AREA GOING EAST WEST, CURRENTLY YOU'RE KIND OF ONLY OPTION IS TO GO TO THAT AT GRADE RAIL CROSSING AT MAIN STREET. SO THIS WOULD GIVE ANOTHER CONDUIT FOR TRAFFIC TO MOVE EFFICIENTLY IN AND OUT OF

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THE CITY WITHOUT SENDING A BUNCH OF TRAFFIC ACROSS THE RAILROAD THERE.

IT ALSO ADDS SOME DETENTION FACILITIES ALONG THAT DRAINAGE WAY THAT IF YOU DRIVE OVER 132 SOUTH OF THE MEGA SITE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE A BIG, UNCONTROLLED AGRICULTURAL DRAINAGE WAY RIGHT THERE.

AND AS CHRISTIAN ALSO MENTIONED, THERE'S AN AMENITY CENTER THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AS WELL AS PUBLIC PARKWAY IMPROVEMENTS.

OKAY, PERFECT. AND I LIKE TO HEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER ROADWAY WOULD POTENTIALLY BE ON YOU GUYS TO HELP US OUT WITH THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC.

I THINK THAT'S ESSENTIAL TO, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT YOU KNOW, YOUR RESIDENTS AND YOUR PROJECTS ARE, ARE FREE FLOWING.

BUT THEN ALSO GOOD FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC CONCERNS FURTHER WEST INTO THE CITY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I GUESS ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE EITHER FOR YOU OR FOR CHRISTIAN WHAT LONG TERM FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS WILL THE CITY ASSUME UNDER THIS BID? I THINK CHRISTIAN WAS MENTIONING SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE ROADWAYS, DRAINAGE FACILITIES.

IT WOULD BE UP TO THE CITY IF THEY WANTED TO ACCEPT ANY OF THE PARKS.

MY GUESS IS NO. SO IT WOULD BE WATER HERE IS JONAH.

SO IT WOULD BE WASTEWATER ON THE CITY SIDE AND STREETS AND DRAINAGE.

OKAY. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW.

THANK YOU. WELCOME. ALL RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THESE GUYS OR JIM? PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD DEAL. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU GUYS. THANKS, GUYS. ALL RIGHT, THAT BRINGS US UP TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, SIR. WE HAVE JIM.

JIM. YEAH. YEAH. MAYOR.

COUNCIL. THEY WERE TWO SEPARATE PRESENTATIONS. OH, YEAH. NO, I READ THEM ALL TOGETHER. BUT YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION, JIM.

I APOLOGIZE. GOOD EVENING.

MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY CITIZENS.

JIM SABLAN WITH HILLTOP SECURITIES.

AND, MAYOR, I'LL GO THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICKLY. IT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD PROJECT. THIS IS ACTUALLY SCENARIO THREE THAT THAT COUNCILMAN KING ASKED ABOUT.

IT WAS AN EARLIER SUBMISSION.

THEIR PLAN IS EVOLVING BASED ON STAFF'S COMMENTS, BUT THE GENERAL LAND USE CATEGORIES ARE THE SAME.

THEY JUST HAVE MOVED SLIGHTLY FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE.

SO THE COUPLE POINTS I WANT TO MENTION ABOUT THIS IS THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE LIABILITIES TO THE CITY, THEY'RE ASKING THAT THAT THE PIT WOULD BE CREATED AND THE CITY WOULD LEVY AN ASSESSMENT EQUAL TO UP TO 68.9 CENTS ON A TAX EQUIVALENT BASIS AND ISSUE UP TO $100 MILLION OF BONDS.

AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE PIT WOULD GO OVER BOTH THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. AND THEN SECONDLY, AS PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL IS THAT THERE WOULD BE A 380 TOURS AGREEMENT.

AND SO HALF, 50% OF THE AD VALOREM TAX GENERATED FROM THE NON RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE REBATED TO DEVELOPERS AS AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE.

YOU KNOW, THE THE SCENARIO THAT I WORKED WITH ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH A VALUE OF 894 MILLION.

BASED ON YOUR CURRENT TAX RATE.

IT WOULD GENERATE ABOUT 300, EXCUSE ME, ABOUT 3.5 MILLION IN ANNUAL AD VALOREM TAXES. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COMMERCIAL VALUE AND YOU SEPARATE THAT OUT, IT WOULD BE ABOUT REBATE OF 827,000 GIVING YOU 2,745,000.

SO THIS IS A REALLY A SIGNIFICANT REVENUE GENERATOR WITH THE INCENTIVE ONLY BEING OVER THE INDUSTRIAL AREA. THIS PLAN INDICATED ABOUT $79 MILLION OF BONDS BEING ISSUED.

VERY STANDARD STRUCTURE IS SIMILAR TO WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ON THE RECENT BOND ISSUES.

AND AGAIN, THE 68.9 CENTS IS A MODERATE TAX RATE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR BIDS.

THE ONE THING I DO WANT YOU TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT THING, AND I HAVE TO ASK, CONGRATULATE ALBERTA BECAUSE SHE ASKED ME ABOUT THIS TODAY. THE PLAN THAT THEY PROPOSED DOESN'T ANTICIPATE LEVYING ASSESSMENTS TO OCTOBER OF 27 FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, IN OCTOBER OF OF 2033 FOR THE COMMERCIAL, BASED ON EXPERIENCE IN OTHER PROJECTS. IT JUST WHEN YOU DO DOCUMENTS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO GO FORWARD IMMEDIATELY, YOU HAVE TO REALLY HAVE A MORE CONCERN ABOUT HOW YOU CONTROL YOUR LAND USE AND YOUR FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE IT IS ANTICIPATED TO BE A DELAYED DEVELOPMENT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. THESE ARE THE ASSESSMENT LEVIES THAT THAT ACTUALLY ARE PUT IN PLACE AGAIN.

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THESE ARE MODERATE COMPARED TO WHAT RECENT DEVELOPMENTS HAVE BEEN.

AND WE LOOKED AT THE PRICE POINTS.

THEY'RE ALL CONSISTENT WITH SIMILAR LOT CATEGORIES IN THE CITY.

AND ACTUALLY OUR EXPECTATION IS WHEN THIS PROJECT WOULD GET BUILT, THOSE PRICE POINTS WILL ACTUALLY BE HIGHER THAN ANTICIPATED HERE.

AND THE LEVERAGE ON THIS TRANSACTION IS ACTUALLY LOW COMPARED TO SOME OF THE TRANSACTIONS WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE BEFORE. SO TO ME, IN GENERAL IT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD PROCESS.

AS I INDICATED PREVIOUSLY THIS IS A SCHEDULE THAT THEY'VE HOPED TO GO FORWARD WITH, THAT THERE WOULD BE A FINANCING AGREEMENT IN SEPTEMBER.

AND THEN THE COUNCIL WOULD ENTER INTO A RESOLUTION AGREEING TO THAT AND THAT SHE WOULD ACTUALLY CREATE THE PUD IN OCTOBER.

THOUGH THE THOUGHT IS FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, THEY WOULD DELAY ACTUALLY THE LEVY ASSESSMENTS FOR FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS TILL THE PROJECT COMES TOGETHER.

IT'S VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD PROJECT.

AS I MENTIONED MAYOR WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS EARLIER, THIS IS RIGHT KIND OF DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE LANE COMPARED TO WHAT YOU'VE DONE BEFORE FROM RESIDENTIAL. AND IN FACT, OVER THE LAST YEAR OR TWO, THE ASSESSMENT LEVIES HAVE BEEN GOING UP ON TAX EQUIVALENT BASIS.

THIS BRINGS THEM BACK DOWN TO THE MIDPOINT.

AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE AS YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR.

FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, WE SEE NO RED FLAGS OR ISSUES.

AND IF THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS DONE AS INDICATED, WE'D SEE A SUCCESSFUL BOND ISSUE AND A SUCCESSFUL PROCESS FROM A FINANCING PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU SIR.

QUESTIONS OF JIM. JIM, YOU SAID THE 3.5 MILLION IN AD VALOREM TAX WAS THAT. AND THEN YOU AND THEN YOU YOU YOU ALLOCATED MORE FUNDS OUT AND THEN BROUGHT US DOWN TO I THINK IT WAS 2,000,002.7.

2.7. OKAY. SO THEN QUESTION IS THAT WITH IS THAT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHICH OPTION.

WELL ACTUALLY THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS THEY HAVE HERE.

THEY SUBMITTED THEIR PROPOSAL THAT THEY PRESENTED TONIGHT AFTER I SUBMITTED MY PRESENTATION. I'LL, I'LL REVISE THIS ANALYSIS FOR BOTH SCENARIOS.

OKAY. SUBMIT THEM TO ALBERTA TO SUBMIT TO THE TO THE COUNCIL.

BUT IN GENERAL, IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE SIMILAR BALLPARK FOR BOTH OF THEM.

WHAT I, WHAT I'VE SEEN FROM JUST OBSERVATION, WATCHING THEIR PRESENTATION TODAY THAT THEY REDUCED THE NUMBER OF TOWNHOMES, INCREASE THE NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN THE SAME BALLPARK. BUT I'LL SHOW IT TO YOU. AND YOU'RE RIGHT. THIS WOULD ANTICIPATE OUR CURRENT TAX RATE AND FULL BUILD OUT OF THE PROJECT.

THAT WOULD BE THE VALUES YOU'D HAVE. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. I'LL REVISE IT TO MATCH THEIR ANALYSIS AND SUBMIT THEM BEGINNING OF NEXT WEEK. PERFECT. YEAH, I YEAH, I THINK THAT'D BE. THAT'D BE KEY TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FOR BOTH SCENARIOS.

THANK YOU. SO MY QUESTION IS A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

ONE IS THE THE WE KNOW THAT THE TAX RATE IS GOING TO BE $0.38 GOING FORWARD MAX.

IT COULD BE LOWER THAN THAT FOR THIS COMING YEAR.

AND SO YOU MAY WANT TO YOU MAY WANT TO REDO THAT NUMBER.

BUT TWO WHY IS WHY IS THERE A TERSE WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF THE TERS HAVING? I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST PIT THAT WE'VE DONE IN QUITE SOME TIME THAT HAS ADDED FEATURES TO IT. WELL, I'LL, I'LL DEFER TO THE DEVELOPER AND HAVE HIM RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THEIR REQUEST AND JUSTIFICATION.

BUT I EXPLAINED THIS TOURS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE IN SOME OTHERS AND SOME OTHER PROJECTS.

WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THERE'S BEEN A TOURS INVOLVED AND THEY'VE USED THAT TOURS REVENUE TO PAY DOWN ASSESSMENTS.

SO THEY'VE LEVIED A HIGHER GROSS ASSESSMENT USED OUR TEARS PERCENTAGE TO PAY DOWN THE ASSESSMENT TO A MARKET RATE.

THIS ONE'S PROPOSED IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

THE, THE THE PIT ITSELF IS JUST A STRAIGHTFORWARD PIT.

THE GROSS LEVEE. NO TEARS AGAINST IT.

BUT THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE FOR THEIR COMMERCIAL OR THEIR NONRESIDENTIAL 50% OF THE ANNUAL AD VALOREM TAX TO BE REBATED TO THEM AS AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE.

AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT RIGHT UP FRONT. IT'S JUST A IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. IT DOESN'T INVOLVE THE PIT.

IT'S JUST A SEPARATE ACTUAL INCENTIVE AGREEMENT THAT YOU HAVE THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING. AND IS THAT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN THE NUMBERS THAT YOU PRESENTED TO US OF THAT INCENTIVE OR NOT? THAT AND THAT'S ASSUMING THAT WE WOULD GIVE 50% OF THE TAXES BACK AS AN INCENTIVE. AND AGAIN MY ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THAT YOUR TOURS WOULD FOLLOW YOUR OTHER ECONOMIC INCENTIVE POLICIES BENCHMARKS, TARGETS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN FOR YOU.

OKAY, IF I MAY MAKE ONE CLARIFYING POINT.

YOU MIGHT NEED MORE THAN A COUPLE BECAUSE ONCE YOU SAID TOURIST, I PERKED UP.

YES, SIR. SO WE HAD DISCUSSED THIS WITH YOUR YOUR STAFF.

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WE ARE KIND OF TABLING THAT DISCUSSION UNTIL WE CAN SECURE AN INDUSTRIAL USER.

SO WE ARE ONLY PURSUING THAT 380.

IF WE CAN IN FACT SECURE AN INDUSTRIAL USER AND HAVE THAT CONCEPT BE PURSUED, THAT'S NOT CONTINGENT ON IT. SO IT'S NOT CONTINGENT ON ANYTHING.

NO NO, NO. SO WE'RE JUST WE'RE TABLING THAT CONVERSATION. THAT WAS A PART OF OUR ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS A 380 TAX, YOU KNOW, INCENTIVE FOR THE NONRESIDENTIAL PORTION. BUT WE AGREED WITH YOUR STAFF THAT WE CAN TABLE THAT CONVERSATION UNTIL WE'VE PROVEN MARKET FOR THAT AND SECURED AN ACTUAL INDUSTRIAL USER UNDER THAT FIRST OPTION.

NOW YOU'RE SAYING 380.

TO ME, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN TOURS.

WELL, TOURS ARE GOING TO HAVE THERE FOR A WHILE.

AT 380 IS GOING TO BE A PIECE OF PAPER.

WELL, I DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, BUT WHAT I'VE SEEN DEVELOPERS AND I BELIEVE THIS WAS THE INTENTION OF THE PROPOSAL, IS THAT THEY CAN COMBINE THE TOURIST CONCEPT TO ISOLATE THE INCREMENTAL REVENUE BY TAKING HALF OF THE AD VALOREM TAX AND USING THE 380 COMPONENT TO ALLOW FOR A CASH REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE DEVELOPER FOR AN INCENTIVE NOT TIED TO A TOURIST WOULD BE TIED TO A SPECIFIC CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE TOURS. BUT THE DEVELOPER LAWYERS HAVE ACTUALLY COMBINED THIS CONCEPT TO ALLOW US TO SET THE TOURS UP, CAPTURE THE AD VALOREM, BUT TO REIMBURSE THEM IN A CASH BASIS AS A CASH INCENTIVE, NOT TIED TO THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENT.

I DON'T WANT TO SET YOUR EXPECTATIONS TOO HIGH.

I'D RATHER SET THEM REALLY LOW. I PERSONALLY AM NOT IN FAVOR OF A TOURS FOR, OR REALLY ANY ECONOMIC INCENTIVE FOR JUST INDUSTRIAL PROJECT, BECAUSE WHEN YOU DRIVE INTO TOWN THERE'S LIKE 680,000FT² SITTING THERE.

IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC USE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THAT'LL GET ME. BUT I JUST DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO THINK THAT YOU BUILD SPEC BUILDINGS AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, AT LEAST FOR ME, EVERYBODY ELSE MAY VOTE DIFFERENTLY. BUT SOMETHING CHANGED.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE IT'S BEEN UP HERE. SO SOMETHING'S CHANGED IN MY MIND BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER QUITE ALL THAT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT'S HAD I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE REMEMBERS I WAS TALKING, BUT NORMALLY I'M PRETTY POO POO ON ANY KIND OF INCENTIVE UNLESS YOU AT LEAST KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING. SO I WOULD JUST SAY IF YOU'RE STICKING WITH THE PYD, GREAT.

THE HOMES, ASSUMING THE PLAT AND EVERYTHING, THE AGREEMENTS ARE ALL WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. THAT'S FINE. BUT I CAN'T PERSONALLY, UNTIL THERE'S SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST A USER, IT'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING WITH, LIKE, A NAME. YOU KNOW? ANYWAY, IS THAT NEW? DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? THE TOURIST TALK. I DON'T REMEMBER THIS. THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION. I DON'T REMEMBER EVER BEING DISCUSSED AS PART OF THIS.

THAT SEEMS NEW. AND IT JUST CONCERNED ME THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SAW NUMBERS ABOUT WHAT THE ANTICIPATED TAXES WOULD BE.

BUT THEN THEN WE'RE SAYING, WELL, BUT WE WOULD GIVE HALF OF THAT BACK AS AN INCENTIVE TO THE DEVELOPER.

AND SO THAT AGAIN, THAT CONCERNED ME.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D BE ON BOARD WITH WITH IT AS IT'S AS IT'S KIND OF EXPLAINED TODAY.

YEAH, I AGREE. I DON'T REMEMBER IT.

I DON'T REMEMBER US TALKING ABOUT IT. I ALSO DON'T REMEMBER US TALKING ABOUT GIVING BACK ANY, ANY SORT OF INCENTIVES FOR THIS.

YEAH. WHENEVER IT FIRST CAME, I THINK THE TWO OPTIONS WERE FOR US TO CONSIDER. BUT THEN ANYTHING ELSE? IT WAS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, SO I'D HAVE TO AGREE WITH WHAT'S BEEN SAID.

I DON'T I DON'T REMEMBER HEARING THAT.

AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION AND I AGREE.

AND FROM FEEDBACK FROM YOUR STAFF, WE WANTED TO KIND OF TABLE THAT CONVERSATION FOR NOW, FOCUS PURELY ON THE PYD UNDERPAID.

AND WHEN WE HAVE MORE CLARITY ON WHAT THOSE FEATURES MIGHT USES, MIGHT BE, WE CAN MAYBE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH YOU GUYS AGAIN AND SEE IF YOU ARE IN SUPPORT AT THAT TIME. I THINK IT MIGHT UPDATE THESE THINGS THEY GIVE US.

THOSE ARE WHAT THEY CALL IT, THE TRIGGER WORDS.

INCENTIVIZING RESIDENTIAL IS NOT GOING TO GO OVER WELL HERE.

AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WOULD LOOK AT IT. SO PURELY WITH NON RESIDENTIAL USES.

YEAH. IF AND WHEN. OKAY.

THEN I THINK BEFORE YOU WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH ANY SORT OF INCENTIVES, IF THAT WAS THE ROUTE YOU WERE GOING TO GO, I WOULD SUGGEST GOING TO THE EDC FIRST AND GETTING THAT THERE BEFORE COMING TO US, BECAUSE DEFINITELY TAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION FROM THE EDC. YES, SIR.

AND THAT THAT IS OUR INTENT FOR SURE.

THANK YOU. COOL. ALL RIGHT.

THANKS, GUYS. ALL RIGHT.

NOW WE'LL GO ON TO CONSENT AGENDA.

[10. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ]

WE HAVE ITEMS TEN 110 ONE THROUGH 1012.

ARE THERE ANY ITEMS ANYONE WISHES TO PULL? YEAH, I WANTED TO PULL TEN, NINE.

MEAN, I THINK THAT ONE THERE'S SOME I SAW IT ON, ON EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR AN UPDATE, SO I WANTED TO SEE IF WE NEEDED TO GET THAT UPDATE FIRST BEFORE VOTING ON THAT ONE.

I HAVE TEN ONE AND TEN THREE.

WHAT ABOUT TEN AND TWO AND TWO? I THINK IT'S TIED TO TEN.

ONE. ALL RIGHT. CAN I PULL TEN, TEN?

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TEN, TEN. THERE'S NO OTHERS.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT.

TEN, FOUR. TEN FIVE. TEN.

SIX AND SEVEN. TEN EIGHT.

1011. TEN. 12. THERE YOU GO.

I DO HAVE A SECOND, SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD.

SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER KING. CAN YOU SAY THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS THAT ARE BEING VOTED ON AGAIN? TEN 410 510 SIX.

TEN 710 EIGHT. 1011 AND 1012.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON.

AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

COUNCIL MEMBER. GORDON. AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. PORTERFIELD. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. KING. AYE.

NEXT WE HAVE ITEM TEN ONE.

[10.1. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-194 authorizing the City Manager to execute an Individual Project Order (IPO) with 7 Arrows Land Development in the amount of $350,000 for right-of-way professional services related to the Live Oak project (CIP T09-2023). (Matt Rector)]

CONSIDERATION. POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R.

DASH 2025. DASH 194. AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN INDIVIDUAL PROJECT ORDER IPO WITH SEVEN ARROWS.

LAND DEVELOPMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF 350,000 FOR RIGHT OF WAY SERVICES RELATED TO THE LIVE OAK PROJECT. CIP 092023. I ONLY PULLED THIS BECAUSE IF WE ENACT THE BUDGET WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY AGENT, THIS IS SPENDING $350,000 TO DO A JOB THAT WE MAY BE HIRING SOMEBODY TO DO.

SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO.

OH. HOW YOU DOING, MATT? MY APOLOGIES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. FOR THE RECORD, MY DIRECTOR, CITY ENGINEER. SO WE I GOT TO THE CITY MANAGER TOO LATE.

YOU HAD ALREADY PULLED IT, BUT I WAS ASKING HIM TO TABLE THIS ITEM BECAUSE OF THE MOTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MADE THURSDAY NIGHT. I WAS GOING TO DELAY THIS ONE BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS. IF WE DO THE BUDGET, AS YOU JUST SAID, MAYOR, IF WE DO THE BUDGET THE WAY YOU GUYS PROPOSED LAST THURSDAY, THEN IN MY MIND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO SPEND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR CONSULTANT WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BE HIRING SOMEBODY WHO COULD DO THE SAME WORK.

TWO YEARS OF SALARY AND ONE ITEM.

THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE TEN ONE.

WE HAVE A SECOND SECOND TO TO DATE CERTAIN TO A DATE IN WHICH THE CITY MANAGER DEEMS APPROPRIATE TO BRING IT BACK. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST WE TABLE IT UNTIL AFTER THE BUDGET IS APPROVED.

THAT WAY, WE KNOW WHICH DIRECTION TO GO. THERE YOU GO. IT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL PICK FIRST MEETING OCTOBER.

OCTOBER 2ND. IS THAT OKAY? COUNCILMAN THOMPSON. YEAH. THAT'S FINE. OKAY.

PORTERFIELD. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

COUNCIL MEMBER. KING. AYE.

AYE. MAYOR. SNIDER. AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. GORDON. AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. MORRIS.

NEXT WE HAVE ITEM TEN TWO.

[10.2. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-195 authorizing the City Manager to execute amendment No. 3 to the agreement for design services with Hejl, Lee & Associates, for a deduction in the amount of $45,000 for the Live Oak project (CIP T09-2023). (Matt Rector)]

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R, DASH 20 5-195. AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE TO THE AGREEMENT FOR DESIGN SERVICES WITH HAL LEE AND ASSOCIATES, FOR A DEDUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF 45,000 FOR THE LIVE OAK PROJECT.

SAME THING, BASICALLY.

ACTUALLY THIS ONE IS A DEDUCTION.

SO WE WERE PULLING STUFF OUT OF THEIR CONTRACT.

WE WERE ORIGINALLY THINKING THIS WAS BEFORE YOU GUYS MADE THE MOTIONS.

WE WERE ORIGINALLY THINKING THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DEDUCT ENOUGH TO MAKE UP FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE.

BUT WE STILL WENT AHEAD WITH THE DEDUCTION ANYWAY. BUT THIS IS JUST A DEDUCTION BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PERFORM THESE SERVICES. AND SO WE'RE DEDUCTING IT FROM THEIR CONTRACT SO THAT WE'RE PAYING THEM LESS TO DO THE DESIGN.

SO WHAT'S BEING REMOVED.

I GUESS YOU COULD JUST GIVE A SUMMARY IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE DOCUMENTS RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. BUT MOST OF IT IS LANDSCAPING.

LANDSCAPING. OKAY. BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO DO ALL THE LANDSCAPING THAT THEY HAD ORIGINALLY THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO DO. SO DOES THAT DOES THE DEDUCTION AFFECT THE PROJECT SCOPE AT ALL? WELL, IT REDUCES THE SCOPE BY WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ALL THE LANDSCAPING THAT THEY HAD ORIGINALLY PLANNED ON DOING. SO THEN WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE INSTEAD OF THE LANDSCAPING.

THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING THE SIDEWALKS AND THE PARKING SPACES AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS INSTEAD. PERFECT.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. TEN, TWO AS PRESENTED. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILOR THOMPSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR MORRIS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

MORRIS. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

KING. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

THOMPSON. AYE. MAYOR. SNYDER.

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NEXT WE HAVE ITEM TEN THREE.

[10.3. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-196 related to approval of a change order to STR Constructors and authorizing the City Manager to execute the same for the Fritz Park Improvements project in the amount of $80,684. (CIP P022023). (Matt Rector)]

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R, DASH 2020 5-196. RELATED TO APPROVAL OF A CHANGE ORDER TO STR CONSTRUCTORS AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE SAME FOR THE FRITZ PARK IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT IN THE AMOUNT OF $684.

I PULLED THIS BECAUSE WHEN I'M READING THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS PROJECT WENT OUT INTO CONSTRUCTION WITH A NOT FULLY BEING DESIGNED.

IS THAT SAFE TO SAY? YES, THAT IS SAFE TO SAY.

THERE WERE SOME PIECES OF THE DESIGN THAT WERE NOT FULLY FLESHED OUT WHEN WE AWARDED THE FINAL GMP, AND SO IT WAS WRITTEN INTO THE CONTINGENCIES.

YEAH. SO HERE'S MY CONCERN ON THESE IS I REMEMBER THIS.

WE'RE TRYING TO DO ONE PHASE OF THIS IN LIKE MARCH.

AND I REMEMBER THEN GOING WHAT'S THE RUSH? BUT I'M JUST NOT ACCUSTOMED TO US DOING PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT FULLY LIKE DONE.

AND SO WHAT I'D LIKE US TO DO THIS IS MORE OF JUST LIKE A RANT FROM ME.

I GUESS I JUST WOULD LIKE US TO GET TO A POINT WHERE A PROJECT DOESN'T HIT CONSTRUCTION UNTIL IT'S LIKE 100% READY TO GO, BECAUSE I CAN'T KEEP TRACK OF A CHANGE ORDER.

IS IT BECAUSE THE SCOPE CHANGE IS BECAUSE THEY FOUND SOMETHING IN THE FIELD? IS IT WHATEVER? AND I JUST THINK IT'S IT'S.

AND THIS ISN'T ON YOU BECAUSE WE APPROVE THIS.

IT'S JUST SLOPPY IN MY MIND.

AND AS WE GO ON, THIS IS $80,000, BUT WE'VE HAD OTHER ONES.

IT'S LIKE 100 GRAND. 200 GRAND.

ONE OF THESE DAYS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING BIG. SO I JUST THINK AS WE GET MORE SOPHISTICATED, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO BUILDS A HOUSE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE FULLY THING DESIGNED. THEY MAY NOT KNOW THE COLOR OF THE CARPET, BUT THEY DEFINITELY KNOW WHERE THE WALLS ARE. SO THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING ON THIS.

MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TEN THREE AS PRESENTED.

SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON.

SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER KING.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR SNIDER.

AYE. COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON.

AYE. COUNCILMEMBER. KING.

AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

AYE. COUNCILMEMBER. PORTERFIELD.

NEXT WE HAVE ITEM TEN NINE.

[10.9. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-197 to approve an Economic Development Performance Agreement for Grant Funds from the Hutto Economic Development Corporation for Project Sprouts. (Cheney Gamboa) (Part 1 of 2)]

CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R.

DASH 2020 5-197 TO APPROVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERFORMANCE AGREEMENT FOR GRANT FUNDS FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION FOR PROJECTS.

SPROUTS. SO THIS ONE THERE'S AN ITEM UNDER 13.2 IN EXECUTIVE SESSION G TO TALK ABOUT.

THE THREE ECONOMIC AGREEMENT AGREEMENT.

THIS THIS ITEM HERE. SO I JUST WAS ASSUMING THAT WE WOULD DISCUSS THAT FIRST BEFORE VOTING ON THIS. I WOULD DEFER TO LEGAL I THINK THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS. THE ITEM ON CONSENT. SORRY.

DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THE ITEM ON CONSENT IS THE EDC AGREEMENT.

SO IT'S THE GRANT FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT.

THE ITEM ON FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION IS THE 380 AGREEMENT FOR THE SALES TAX REIMBURSEMENT COMPONENT. SO THIS IS JUST THE EDC'S GRANT PORTION.

OKAY. BUT I DIDN'T SEE WHAT THEY APPROVED IN THE ONLINE COUNCIL HAVE IT.

YEAH, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE ATTACHMENTS.

IS THAT THE EMAIL THAT WE GOT SOME EMAILS SIGNED AGREEMENT AND THEN THE RESOLUTION FOR CITY COUNCIL. IT'S IT'S IN THE IT'S IN OUR PACKET THAT WAS OUT WITH THE PUBLIC.

I DON'T SEE IT IN THERE. ALL RIGHT.

THE STATE LAW 409 OF THE PACKET.

I SEE THE RESOLUTION AND THEN ATTACHED EXHIBIT A, I DON'T SEE AN EXHIBIT A YEAH.

AND THE CITY APPROVES UNDER STATE LAW.

THE CITY HAS FINAL APPROVAL.

OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IS THIS AN EXHIBIT? IT'S NOT. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN COME UP AND WE CAN HAVE AFTER THE AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION WHERE WE CAN COME BACK A COPY OF THE CONTRACT.

YEAH, I APOLOGIZE, I THOUGHT THAT WAS ALL INCLUDED IN THE ATTACHMENTS.

ALL RIGHT. SO THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS TO. BUT I JUST LOOKED ONLINE AND I DIDN'T SEE IT.

YEAH. THANK YOU FOR CHECKING. ALL RIGHT, SO NO OBJECTIONS. WE'LL PULL THIS ONE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO AT THAT TIME TO BE ABLE TO ASK ANY KIND OF LEGAL QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 1010 CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO

[10.10. Consideration and possible action related to staffs findings and recommendations on the drought contingency plan and the creation of a water conservation plan. (Mayor Snyder)]

STAFF'S FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN AND THE CREATION OF A WATER CONSERVATION PLAN.

[01:20:08]

IS THAT US? YOU WANT US TO COME UP, PLEASE? MATT RICHTER, WATER CONSERVATION, OR RICK WHOEVER.

WHOEVER IS CUED UP, LET'S SAY MATT, IT WAS HIS RECOMMENDATION.

SORRY. I WAS DOING OTHER THINGS, TRYING TO BE PRODUCTIVE.

NO, MATT, I PULLED THIS BECAUSE I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT FINDINGS LED STAFF TO RECOMMEND UPDATES TO OUR WATER CONTINGENCY PLAN.

SO THERE WAS ACTUALLY AN ITEM ON THE JUNE 18TH COUNCIL MEETING TO TALK ABOUT, I BELIEVE A RESTAURANT HERE IN TOWN HAD ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT HOW DO WE ENFORCE A SPECIFIC ITEM WITHIN ONE WITHIN PHASE TWO OF THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN? SO THAT PROMPTED COUNCIL TO HAVE A RESOLUTION TO ASK STAFF TO GO BACK AND REVIEW IT.

SO RICK AND I WENT BACK AND REVIEWED THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN.

I ALSO WENT BACK AND WATCHED THE AUGUST MEETING FROM AUGUST OF 2022, WHEN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN WAS BROUGHT FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND I WATCHED THAT ENTIRE DEBATE.

AND SO THEN IT WAS BROUGHT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER I BELIEVE ONE MEETING LATER, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATE, SEPTEMBER OF 2022.

AND IT WAS ON CONSENT AND IT WAS APPROVED.

BUT THE CHANGES THAT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED ON THE AUGUST MEETING HAD NOT OCCURRED IN IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. SO THAT'S PART OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE CAME UP WITH. SO WE WENT THROUGH RICK AND I WENT THROUGH, WE FOUND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT WERE NOT ENFORCEABLE OR THAT WOULD BE OVERLY PROBLEMATIC TO ENFORCE.

LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT LANDSCAPE COMPANIES ARE EXPECTED TO REDUCE WATER USE, BUT THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO.

AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT.

THE SAME THEN THE THE ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS THE RESTAURANTS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PROVIDE WATER TO PATRONS WITHOUT THE PATRON REQUESTING THE WATER.

UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO SEND STAFF INTO EVERY RESTAURANT IN TOWN DURING A DROUGHT PERIOD.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD ENFORCE THAT. AND SO THAT'S HOW THESE RECOMMENDATIONS CAME ABOUT. THE OTHER THING THAT WE DID WAS AND RICK CAN SPEAK TO US.

HELP ME OUT WITH THE ONE THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT THE WATER SUPPLEMENTING THE ANYONE THAT. RICK CORONADO PUBLIC WORKS.

ONE OF THE OTHER AREAS OF KIND OF A GAP IS ANY ENTITY THAT HAS PRIVATE WELLS THAT ARE NOT SUPPLEMENTED BY THE CITY OF HUTTO WATER ARE EXEMPT FROM THESE RULES.

SO THERE'S ALSO KIND OF A RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THEY STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OF ANY OPERATIONS OF THE SYSTEM.

SO OBVIOUSLY, IF THE CO-OP OR, YOU KNOW, AREAS THAT THAT WE ARE SUPPLEMENTED BY, NOT SUPPLEMENTED BY THE CITY STILL MIGHT HAVE MAINTENANCE ITEMS THAT AREN'T ADDRESSED.

AND SO THAT'S PART OF ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION THAT'S ON HERE.

SO TO YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON THE SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT WERE NOT ADDRESSED IN THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE IS STAGES FOUR AND FIVE.

IT WAS SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSED DURING THE AUGUST MEETING ABOUT CHANGING HOW THE STAGES FOUR AND FIVE GET DECLARED AND HOW THEY GET TERMINATED.

AND THAT WASN'T REFLECTED IN THE CURRENT LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE ADOPTED.

AND THEN THERE WERE SOME OTHER CLARIFICATIONS THAT WE FOUND IN THERE THAT WE THOUGHT WERE IMPORTANT. THE OTHER THING THAT WE DID WAS WE WENT AND LOOKED AT TCW'S WEBSITE, AND FOR A CITY OF A CERTAIN SIZE, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO ADOPT A WATER CONSERVATION PLAN THAT'S IN LINE WITH THE TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE.

WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE THAT. SO WE RECOMMENDED THAT IN ADDITION TO UPDATING THIS DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, THAT WE GO A STEP FURTHER AND GET US FULLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE WATER CONSERVATION REQUIREMENTS.

SO THIS BRINGS US ALL INTO COMPLIANCE, BUT IT ALSO ENCOMPASSES THE MEETING IN AUGUST. THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT ON THE WATER CONSERVATION AND WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT ENCOMPASSES ALL OF THIS IN THIS RECOMMENDATION.

YES, SIR. OKAY. AND THEN HOW WILL THESE NEW MEASURES BE AMPLIFIED OUT TO RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES? SORRY, I HAVEN'T GOT THAT FAR YET.

I WAS WAITING FOR YOU GUYS TO SAY TO GO FORWARD AND MAKE THESE CHANGES.

SO WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO A POINT OF FIGURING OUT HOW WE WERE GOING TO MAKE THE PUBLIC AWARE OF THESE CHANGES.

ONCE YOU GUYS TO SAY YES, MOVE FORWARD, MAKE ALL THESE CHANGES, AMEND THE ORDINANCE, ADD IN A CONSERVATION PLAN, THEN I'M SURE WE WOULD COME UP WITH A PUBLIC OUTREACH PLAN TO PUT THIS OUT TO THE PUBLIC.

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LET BUSINESS OWNERS KNOW THE CHANGES.

OBVIOUSLY WE'D POST IT ON THE WEBSITE. WE'D UPDATE OUR ACTUAL ORDINANCE.

E THREE 60 OR CODE OR WHATEVER IT IS.

I DON'T REMEMBER OFF TOP OF MY HEAD. SO THAT WE'RE FULLY TRANSPARENT WITH THE PUBLIC AND THEY ALL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S EXPECTED OF THEM. YEAH. I MEAN, I GUESS MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS WANTING TO SEE THE OUTREACH PLAN FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESS BEFORE TAKING ACTION ON THIS JUST BECAUSE NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST THAT THE COMMUNICATION WOULD GET OUT OR ANYTHING, BUT JUST SO THAT WE HAVE IT ALL BUTTONED UP, IT'S ALL APPROVED AT ONE TIME.

AND THAT WAY THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, CONFLICTING MESSAGING ON, HEY, WE APPROVE THIS. THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.

THE CITY WILL BE COMING OUT WITH COMMUNICATION LATER. LET'S JUST GET IT ALL TOGETHER ONCE AND THEN PUT IT ALL OUT.

SO, I MEAN, WE'LL SEE IF THE VOTE GOES THROUGH FOR IT, BUT THAT WOULD JUST BE MY RECOMMENDATION IS NEXT TIME I'D LIKE TO SEE IT ALL TOGETHER.

THAT WAY WE KNOW WHAT'S CHANGING, WHY IT CHANGED, AND THEN HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET IT OUT TO THE MASSES ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

OKAY. WHAT'S THE. OH, SORRY.

GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST, I JUST ONE QUESTION.

WHAT'S THE THINKING OF CHANGING STAGE ONE FROM VOLUNTARY TO MANDATORY? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE EVER CAME OFF OF STAGE ONE ALL LAST YEAR.

SO WE WOULD BE WE WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER MANDATORY WATER RESTRICTIONS LIKE FOREVER.

AND BEFORE HE ANSWERS FOR THE RECORD, JAMES CITY MANAGER BEFORE HE ANSWERS STAGE ONE GENERALLY IS MEANT TO GET PEOPLE AWARE OF AND EDUCATED TO THE FACT THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO START ENFORCING IT. SO BEFORE HE ANSWERS, IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT STEP ANYMORE, THIS IS ONE THING I WAS GOING TO BRING UP. IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT STEP ANYMORE, THEN WE WOULD GO STRAIGHT INTO ENFORCEMENT.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A WISE THING, BUT GO AHEAD.

SO THE MY THOUGHT WAS, IF WE'RE GOING TO ADOPT A WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, THAT KIND OF IS PUTTING EVERYBODY INTO A STAGE ONE PERIOD ALL YEAR ROUND WHERE YOU'RE YOU ARE ENACTING IDEAS AND CONCEPTS THROUGHOUT YOUR CITY TO REDUCE VOLUNTARILY BECAUSE IT'S A CONSERVATION PLAN.

THE USE OF WATER. THEN WHEN YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU NEED TO START SAYING, WE'RE IN A DROUGHT, WE NEED TO CONSERVE WATER.

THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING THAT YOU WOULD PUT STAGE ONE AS A MANDATORY THING TO START REALLY RESTRICTING IT DOWN, NOT MAKING IT A VOLUNTARY PART OF THE CONSERVATION STUFF ANYMORE. BUT NOW IT'S WE'RE FULL ON DROUGHT CONTINGENCY RESPONSE MODE. SO NOW STAGE ONE IS HERE.

EVERYBODY'S GOING TO FOLLOW. AND I MEAN STAGE ONE IS OBVIOUSLY THE LIGHTEST OF ALL THE STAGES AND IT'S THE EASIEST TO COMPLY WITH.

WELL LIKE I LOOK AT STAGE ONE AND STAGE TWO I MEAN SO AND MAYBE MAYBE I'M JUST READING IT WRONG. BUT IF WE MADE STAGE ONE MANDATORY, THEN THAT MEANS LIKE, EVEN NUMBERED RESIDENTIAL ADDRESSES CAN ONLY WATER ON SUNDAYS AND THURSDAYS.

IS THAT THE INTENTION? AND THAT ODD WOULD ONLY WATER ON SATURDAYS AND TUESDAYS.

AND SO FOREVER. I WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO WATER ON SUNDAYS AND THURSDAYS IF WE NEVER COME OFF A STAGE ONE, IF WE NEVER COME OFF STAGE ONE.

YES, BUT IN A WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, YOU WOULD ALREADY BE RESTRICTING DOWN THE DAYS THAT YOU COULD WATER OR HOW YOU COULD WATER OR THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AND SO IN THEORY, YOU'RE ENACTING STAGE ONE BY PUTTING OUT THIS VOLUNTARY, HEY, IF YOU'RE IN THIS ADDRESS, YOU SHOULD ONLY BE DOING YOU SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT DOING MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY WATERING INSTEAD OF MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY WATERING, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE CONSERVATION PLAN IS TO SUPPLEMENT YOUR DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. SO I ASK MY QUESTION, RIGHT.

NO, I THINK YOU DID ANSWER THE QUESTION RIGHT. I THINK WHAT I THINK WHAT HE'S TRYING TO CONVEY IS, IS THAT THE THE WAY THAT HE WAS APPROACHING THE QUESTION WAS WHY WE SHOULD, AS A CITY, JUST HAVE A CONSERVATION PLAN ALL THE TIME, WHICH IS, HEY, YOU REALLY SHOULD CONSERVE WATER ALL THE TIME.

AND SO THEREFORE, IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO THE HABIT, THEN PLEASE VOLUNTARILY ALL THE TIME WATER ON THE DAYS THAT ARE DESIGNATED FOR YOU.

AND THEN WHENEVER THE TRIGGER HAPPENS, WE GO IMMEDIATELY INTO ENFORCEMENT TO HAVE TO WATER ON THOSE DAYS. SO WE'RE GETTING RID OF STAGE ONE.

ESSENTIALLY HE'S GETTING RID OF STAGE ONE.

YEAH. HE'S BASICALLY SAYING IT'S IT'S ALWAYS EDUCATING YOU TO ONLY WATER ON CERTAIN DAYS.

BUT THAT WOULD BE VOLUNTARY UNTIL WE GO INTO STAGE ONE AND THEN IT WOULD BECOME MANDATORY.

THAT'S WHAT HE'S PROPOSING.

I THE BEST THAT I CAN DO.

HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SAY.

ONE HOUR DROUGHT CONTINGENCY WATER CONSERVATION PLAN IS BASED ON CONSUMPTION ON

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OUR AVAILABLE SUPPLY COME JANUARY.

OUR SUPPLY IS GOING TO MORE THAN DOUBLE, AND WE WON'T EVER PRETTY MUCH BE IN DROUGHT CONTINGENCY FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS AT ANY DEGREE, BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO BE BACK OVER 75, 80% OR WHATEVER ELSE BEFORE WE WOULD EVER GET THERE. SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME BECAUSE BEARS START KNOCKING ON WOOD.

THERE MAY BE LIKE A LINE BREAK OR SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS.

OKAY, WELL, THINK ABOUT IT. OKAY. LET'S JUST THINK THROUGH IT.

IF IF WE'RE GOING FROM FOUR MGD TODAY TO NINE MGD, EVEN THOUGH WE CAN'T NECESSARILY MOVE AT ALL HERE, WE STILL HAVE THAT MUCH SUPPLY.

WE WOULD HAVE TO BE AT IS IT 75% FOR STAGE ONE? WE'D HAVE TO BE AT 75% OF NINE MGD, WHICH IS MORE THAN WE CAN EVEN MOVE HERE BEFORE WE'D EVEN TRIGGER STAGE ONE.

SO USUALLY DROUGHT CONTINGENCIES BASED ON THE WELL LEVELS AND WHAT WHETHER YOU'RE SEEING THE WATER TABLES RETURN AFTER THE WELLS ARE RESTING AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.

BUT OURS ISN'T WRITTEN THAT WAY.

CURRENTLY, OURS IS WRITTEN ON TOTAL CONSUMPTION.

SO THE MOMENT WE MORE THAN DOUBLE OUR WATER CAPACITY, THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRIGGER DROUGHT CONTINGENCY UNLESS WE ARE LITERALLY USING, LIKE EVERY DROP OF WATER WE CAN MOVE HERE.

THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME WE WOULD TRIGGER IT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT ONLY GETS TRIGGERED ON DROUGHT. NO, IT GETS TRIGGERED ON WHEN WE ARE USING MORE THAN 75% OF OUR AVAILABLE PRODUCTION.

OKAY, SO IF THE LINE BREAKS DOWN AND YOU TAKE OFFLINE 4 OR 5 MILLION GALLONS, WE COULD ASK FOR VOLUNTARY WATER RESTRICTIONS.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE SAME THING AS DROUGHT.

CONTINGENCY. ARE YOU ASKING LIKE IF THE LINE BREAKS, ARE WE GOING TO MOVE TO STAGE TWO OR WHATEVER? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? WELL, RIGHT.

THE WAY THE WAY IT KIND OF SOUNDED, YOU WERE SAYING IS, HEY, AFTER JANUARY, THIS STUFF HERE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO NEED THIS, REALLY. AND I'M LIKE, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M SAYING.

SO YOU WOULD NEVER GO TO STAGE TWO AND STAGE THREE EVEN EVEN IF THE LINE BROKE AND WE DIDN'T HAVE WATER COMING TO THE CITY, IF THE LINE BROKE, THEN WE WOULD DO AN EMERGENCY REQUEST FOR PEOPLE TO CONSERVE WATER BECAUSE OUR LINES HAVE BROKEN. WE DON'T HAVE WATER COMING INTO TOWN.

BUT THAT'S NOT DROUGHT.

THAT'S NOT DROUGHT. STAGE ONE.

STAGE TWO. STAGE THREE DROUGHT CONSERVATION.

SO IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN THESE REQUIREMENTS.

CORRECT? THAT'S A LITTLE WORD FOR ME BECAUSE OTHER CITIES HAVE HAD ISSUES AND THEY GO, HEY, HAD A LINE BREAK, WE'LL GO TO STAGE TWO.

AND THEN OH, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG BREAK.

AND IT'S TAKEN LONGER THAN WE THOUGHT. OKAY, NOW WE GOT TO MOVE TO STAGE THREE BECAUSE CONSUMPTION IS STILL UP. AND THEN BEFORE YOU KNOW IT THEY'RE AT STAGE FOUR. BUT YOU'RE SAYING IF A LINE BROKE WE DIDN'T HAVE WATER, YOU GUYS WOULD HUDDLE UP AND JUST THROW OUT AN EMERGENCY. WE'D COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC, YES, PLEASE. PLEASE CONSERVE WATER.

WE HAVE EMERGENCY LINE BREAK.

WE EXPECT THE REPAIR TO OCCUR AND, YOU KNOW, 48 HOURS OR 96 HOURS OR WHATEVER IT IS.

THE OTHER THING YOU DO HAVE IS YOU DO HAVE STAGE FOUR, WHICH IS A MANDATORY RESTRICTION IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT IF CITY MANAGER SAYS.

WELL, STAGE FIVE IS FOR RATIONING.

I'M SAYING FOR STAGE FOUR, IF WE HAVE A LINE BREAK THAT WE THINK WE CAN REPAIR QUICKLY, BUT THEN IT TURNS OUT WE CAN'T REPAIR IT QUICKLY, THEN WE COULD DECLARE STAGE FOUR AS AN EMERGENCY AND GO STRAIGHT INTO THAT WHERE WE'RE SAYING EVERYBODY NEEDS TO START CUTTING BACK TO WHATEVER THE REQUIREMENTS ARE OF STAGE FOUR. SO IT'S COVERED. IT'S COVERED THEN.

I MEAN, RIGHT, YEAH. DO THAT AGAIN.

IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS, SO LET'S HOPE IT STAYS THAT WAY.

SO SO BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON'S QUESTION IF IF WE GO WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION, STAGE ONE WOULD BECOME A MANDATORY STAGE.

SO WHEN WE HIT 75%, IT WOULD NOT BE AN EDUCATION.

HEY, PUBLIC. YOU NEED TO BE AWARE THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO START ENFORCING.

IT WOULD BE A MANDATORY WHICH WOULD MEAN ENFORCEMENT.

AND I'M SAYING THAT FOR US TO GET TO 75% OF NON MGD, THAT THAT WOULD THAT'S LIKE SEVEN MGD, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S MORE THAN WE CAN PUMP HERE.

SO WE WILL NEVER GO TO STAGE ONE IF WE IF WE LEAVE IT BASED OFF OF PERCENTAGE OF PRODUCTION. SO SO AGAIN THIS THIS IS JUST THIS IS YOUR ENGINEER'S RECOMMENDATION.

AND I AM CONSERVATIVE BY NATURE.

AND SO I'M ALWAYS GOING TO TRY TO DIRECT YOU GUYS TO DO THE MOST CONSERVATIVE THING.

YOU COULD ALWAYS JUST SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT.

YES WE WANT A WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO KEEP STAGE ONE IS VOLUNTARY. AND THAT'S TOTALLY ACCUSTOMED TO US LISTENING TO YOU AND THEN AND THEN PIVOTING OFF SOME OTHER.

I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE, I'M GOING TO TRY TO GUIDE YOU GUYS IN WHAT I THINK IS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF RISK FOR THE CITY.

AND SO I GUESS HERE'S MY QUESTION.

SO THIS PAST YEAR WE HAVE WE HAVE NEVER GOTTEN OFF STAGE ONE.

THAT'S CORRECT. WE'VE STAYED ON STAGE ONE THE ENTIRE TIME. LET'S SAY WE ENACTED THIS A YEAR AGO AND WE MADE STAGE ONE MANDATORY.

THAT MEANS FOR THIS ENTIRE YEAR, I WOULD HAVE ONLY BEEN ABLE TO WATER ON

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THURSDAYS AND SUNDAYS. CORRECT. CORRECT.

YEAH. I DON'T LIKE THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WATER TWICE A WEEK.

I WATER LIKE ONCE A WEEK. BUT IT'S ON SATURDAY BECAUSE THAT'S MY WATERING DAY.

AND SO I WATER LESS THAN WHAT THIS SAYS THAT I CAN.

AND YET NOW I'M GOING TO GET A TICKET BECAUSE I'M NOT WATERING ON MY SPECIFIED DAY.

I GUESS THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE, IS IF WE GO TO THIS, I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, OVER THE TOP, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE BASICALLY TELLING PEOPLE, HEY WE'RE TELLING YOU WHAT DAY YOU CAN WATER.

AND I GET IT BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NO OTHER WAY TO DO IT WHEN YOU'RE IN, IN KIND OF AN EMERGENCY.

BUT LIKE, IF FOR THIS PAST YEAR, IF THAT WAS ENACTED, I WOULD I WOULD HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM BECAUSE GUESS WHERE I'M AT THURSDAYS? I'M HERE. I'M NOT. I'M NOT WATERING MY IN MY HOME, WATERING MY LAWN. RIGHT.

AND I DON'T DO YARD WORK ON SUNDAYS.

SO I DON'T GET WATER EVER.

AND SO I GUESS THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST ME. THAT'S JUST ME PERSONALLY THINKING THROUGH THIS, THINKING, OKAY, HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE ARE IN THIS SITUATION AND ASK YOU A QUESTION? DO YOU YOU SAID YOU DON'T DO LAWN WORK ON SUNDAYS.

I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE OUT DOING YARD WORK ON SATURDAY. SO ARE YOU RUNNING A SPRINKLER SYSTEM OR ARE YOU HAND-WATERING? I DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF A SPRINKLER SYSTEM, SO YOU'RE HAND WATERING. SO I'VE GOT WELL, I'VE GOT A SPRINKLER ON THE END OF A HOSE, WHICH I CAN'T DO. RIGHT? RIGHT. UNLESS I'M STANDING THERE HOLDING IT THE WHOLE TIME. THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION FOR YOU, AND I'VE SEEN IT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DOING RESEARCH INTO OTHER CITIES, ASSUMING THAT WE WERE GOING TO GET TO THIS POINT WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING OUR DROUGHT CONTINGENCY AND DOING WATER CONSERVATION, OTHER CITIES HAVE ENACTED AS PART OF THEIR STUFF A PROVISION FOR HAND WATERING THAT CHANGES THE RULES VERSUS IF YOU HAVE A SPRINKLER SYSTEM AND YOU'RE GOING TO SET IT UP TO AUTOMATICALLY RUN JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T THINK PEOPLE WILL STAND THERE FOR THAT LONG JUST BECAUSE TYPICALLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAND WATER, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO USE AS MUCH WATER BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO STAND OUT THERE FOR 30 MINUTES WATERING ONE SPOT WHEN IT'S HOT OUTSIDE VERSUS PEOPLE WHO CAN TURN THEIR SPRINKLER SYSTEM ON AND FORGET IT.

AND SO THEY'RE JUST GOING TO DUMP WATER ON SIDEWALKS AND EVERYWHERE ELSE FOR THE WHOLE 30 MINUTES OR HOWEVER LONG THEY'RE WATERING. CAN WE GET THAT LANGUAGE? I'M SORRY. CAN WE GET THAT LANGUAGE? SURE WE CAN. WE CAN PULL IT FROM SOME OTHER CITIES THAT I'VE BEEN RESEARCHING.

JUST MAKING IT. YOU JUST MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR HAND WATERING IS ALL IT IS. WE ARE. WE DON'T THINK THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE, THOUGH. I THINK I THINK IT'S ALREADY IN THERE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS AS PRESENTED.

I HAVE A QUESTION. SECOND.

NOW YOU CAN ASK YOUR QUESTION. THANK YOU. IN YOUR MEMO TO CITY MANAGER IN THE PACKET HERE FROM THE CITY ENGINEER AND PUBLIC WORKS, IT'S A 416 PAGE.

IT SAYS HERE THAT THIS THIS IS NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST.

THERE MAY BE SOME MORE ITEMS THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, BUT THESE WERE HIGH LEVEL ITEMS THAT STAFF NOTICED IN THE OVERVIEW.

SO WHAT'S I MEAN AS WE DIRECT YOU TO KIND OF CLEAN THIS UP AND THE COMMENTS AND REQUESTS HERE, HOW ARE YOU GOING? WHAT ARE THE WHAT IS. IS THIS AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST THAT YOU I MEAN, THIS IS THE LIST YOU ALREADY HAVE KIND OF THE AND LIKE YOU SAID, LOWER LEVEL THAT YOU CAN PULL UP.

OR ARE YOU STILL WORKING ON THAT? SO OTHER THAN ME DOING RESEARCH ON MY OWN TO LOOK AT WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE IN DROUGHT, CONTINGENCY AND WATER CONSERVATION, WE HAVE NOT EXPANDED UPON THIS LIST.

SO THIS WAS JUST US REACTING TO THE DIRECTION OF HOW IS THIS EVEN ENFORCEABLE? AND I TOOK IT A STEP FURTHER AND SAID, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO JUST ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I WANT TO LOOK THROUGH AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I CAN CATCH GOING THROUGH THIS.

BUT THE REASON WHY I PUT THAT DISCLAIMER IN THERE IS BECAUSE AS WE START DIGGING INTO THE WEEDS OF REWRITING THIS THING, THERE MAY BE OTHER THINGS COME UP THAT WE WEREN'T ANTICIPATING. AND SO I DIDN'T WANT YOU GUYS TO THINK THAT I'VE ANSWERED EVERY SINGLE QUESTION THAT'S GOING TO COME UP IN THIS PROCESS. THIS WAS JUST A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW. THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS I FOUND. I WENT BACK AND WATCHED THE OLD MEETINGS. THIS IS WHAT I SAW. THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I WOULD SUGGEST YOU CONSIDER.

WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR DEEP DIVE AND I'M CONFIDENT WHAT YOU FIND.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF SOMETHING WAS OUT THERE AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO INCORPORATE IT. BUT AS YOU PURSUE IT IN YOUR ENGINEERING MANNER, I'M COMPLETELY CONFIDENT OF THAT.

SO THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THIS.

FIRST, WE CANNOT BASE THE THE TRIGGERS ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE CITY.

WE HAVE TO BASE IT ON THE WATER THAT WE CAN DELIVER TO OUR CUSTOMERS.

BECAUSE IF WE DO, AS YOU SAID, AND WE CAN'T TRIGGER UNTIL THERE'S WE GO TO 7 MILLION, THEN WE NEVER HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO TO TWO, THREE AND FOUR, AND THEN WE RUN OUT OF WATER.

I MEAN, WE HAVE TO BASE IT ON WHAT WE CAN DELIVER.

SO IF THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED, THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED BEFORE ADDITIONAL WATER COMES ONLINE AND PUTS US IN THAT POSITION.

WELL, ARGUABLY, I WOULD SAY THAT THE ENTIRE.

PHILOSOPHY BEHIND THE PLAN IS FLAWED IN THE FIRST PLACE, BECAUSE THE THE PERCENT OF HOW MUCH WATER WE CAN PRODUCE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH DROUGHT. CORRECT. RIGHT.

YEAH. WHAT IT SHOULD BE IS WHAT I SAID EARLIER IS IT SHOULD BE BASED OFF OF THE

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LEVEL THAT WE'RE SEEING IN OUR WELLS.

AND IF OUR WELLS AREN'T RECOVERING, WHENEVER THEY WHENEVER THEY GET TURNED OFF, LIKE WHENEVER, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER, THE MORE YOU PUMP A WELL, THE MORE YOU HAVE THE WATER TABLE DRAW DOWN AND THEN YOU TURN IT OFF AND THEN THE IT RECOVERS. SO IN A, IN A, IN AN ACTUAL DROUGHT WHERE THERE'S NO RAIN AND THAT SORT OF STUFF, THAT WATER TABLE WILL CONTINUALLY DEPLETE AS YOU ARE USING YOUR WELLS.

THAT'S WHAT USUALLY TRIGGERS DROUGHT CONTINGENCY.

NOW, IF IT'S JUST LOGISTIC CONTINGENCY, LIKE WE DON'T WANT MORE THAN YOU KNOW.

WHEN YOU START APPROACHING 80% OF OUR ABILITY TO DELIVER WATER, THEN EVERYBODY NEEDS TO CHILL.

THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

WE DON'T HAVE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY TECHNICALLY, BECAUSE THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH DROUGHT. YEP.

I AGREE 100%. AND AND WHEN WE SAY IT'S BECAUSE OF A DROUGHT AND THEN PEOPLE SAY, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE LAKES ALL JUST FILLED UP, RIGHT? WELL, YEAH, THE LAKES FILLED UP AND WE DON'T GET OUR WATER FROM THE LAKES, SO.

YEAH. THE SECOND I'M SORRY, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY.

BUT THAT IS THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING I WAS GOING TO BRING UP DURING THIS ITEM ANYWAY, TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT MY INTENT IS TO MOVE US THAT DIRECTION.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT WILL REQUIRE US TO DO OR SPEND, OR IF WE CAN ABSORB IT IN THIS BUDGET YEAR OR NEXT.

BUT BUT CERTAINLY I DO THINK WE DO NEED TO GET IF WE'RE GOING TO DO DROUGHT CONTINGENCY AND DROUGHT CONSERVATION, WE NEED TO HAVE TRIGGERS BASED OFF OF OUR WELL LEVELS, NOT OFF OF HOW MUCH WE CAN PUMP THIS WAY.

SO WELL, NOT JUST NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THAT.

BECAUSE ONCE WE GET ADDITIONAL SUPPLY NEXT YEAR, OUR RELIANCE ON THE WELLS GOES DOWN.

BUT IT'S STILL WELLS THAT WE'RE GETTING WATER FROM.

ON THE OTHER PLACE, ALL THE WELLS.

RIGHT. BUT THEY'RE NOT. BUT OUR WELLS VERSUS THEIR WELLS, I MEAN, THEY STILL HAVE TO THEY HAVE TO SUPPLY US WATER UNLESS THERE'S CONTINGENCY IN THERE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO BRING UP WAS THE PRAGMATIC ISSUE.

YES, WE WANT TO WE WANT TO CONSERVE WATER.

OUR WATER SYSTEM ECONOMICALLY IS VERY MUCH A FIXED PRICE SYSTEM.

AND THE LESS WATER WE USE, THE HIGHER OUR RATES HAVE TO BE.

SO THERE'S A THERE'S A BALANCE THERE.

AND I THINK WE'RE WE'RE BEST OFF IF WE'RE USING OUR 80% AND WE DON'T GET UP TO 100, BECAUSE THEN WE CAN HAVE A RATE THAT'S AS REASONABLE AS WE CAN GET IT WITHOUT BEING AT SUPER HIGH RISK OF RUNNING OUT OF WATER.

YOU GET MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT, IT BECOMES A PROBLEM. IF WE GO DOWN TO 50%, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GOT TO JACK UP EVERYBODY'S WATER RATES BECAUSE THE COSTS DON'T GO AWAY. SO WE HAVE TO BALANCE THAT, THAT ISSUE.

SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF MOVING STAGE ONE TO MANDATORY RIGHT NOW.

I'D LEAVE IT AT VOLUNTARY.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO READDRESS THIS BEFORE THE ADDITIONAL WATER COMES ONLINE NEXT YEAR.

SO HERE'S WHY I'M OKAY WITH THE STAGE ONE.

I THINK IT'S FUNNY TO HAVE A STAGE THAT'S VOLUNTARY BECAUSE NO ONE PAYS ATTENTION TO VOLUNTARY. AND SO TO ME, WHEN YOU ARE GETTING TO A LEVEL TO WHERE IT WOULD BE THE OLD STAGE ONE, AND THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO BE PUMPING OUT INFORMATION. CONSERVE, CONSERVE, CONSERVE.

BUT I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT IT ODD WHEN YOU GO TO STAGE ONE, NOBODY PAYS ATTENTION LIKE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CHANGE YOUR WATERING DAYS. NOBODY DOES THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO THERE'S NO REPERCUSSION TO THAT. NOW, STAGE TWO BASICALLY, WE TOOK A STAGE OUT AND YOU'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT CONSERVATION.

AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN STAGE TWO.

SO ANYBODY WHO DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT IN STAGE ONE NOW THEY HAVE TO MOVE THEIR WATERING DAYS. YOU CAN STILL WATER ALL THE WAY UP TO STAGE THREE.

YOU CAN STILL WATER BY HAND.

AND SO TO ME IT'S IT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

IT'S LIKE SAYING DON'T SHOOT OFF FIREWORKS, BUT THERE'S REALLY NO REPERCUSSIONS. WATER BETTER CONSERVE. BUT REALLY YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.

AND NOW ALL WE'RE SAYING IS, IS LOOK WE'LL START PREACHING THE MESSAGE MORE. AND WHEN YOU GET TO STAGE ONE, INSTEAD OF MILD AND VOLUNTARILY AND ENCOURAGED, IT'S RIGHT NOW YOU NEED TO MOVE YOUR DAYS.

SO TO ME THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I DIDN'T MIND IT AT ALL, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY CHANGED MY WATER DAYS.

AND I DO HAVE AUTOMATIC, BUT I CHANGE THEM TO BE ALWAYS FOLLOWING THE RULES, BECAUSE I USED TO BE THREE DAYS, AND THEN WE HIT THAT THING A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND NOW THEY'RE ALWAYS.

I THINK MY DAYS ARE SUNDAY AND THURSDAY MAYBE.

BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING.

I LIKE YOUR CHANGES. I LIKE ALL OF THEM.

NO, BUT I TRY TO COMPROMISE.

THIS WHOLE THING WAS BROUGHT ON TO COUNCIL MEMBER.

THOMPSON'S POINT. I JUST REMEMBER LAST YEAR, SOMEONE SAID, HEY, HOW DO YOU GUYS. HOW MUCH WATER DO YOU SAVE WHEN YOU RESTRICT ME FROM SERVING A GLASS OF WATER TO A PATRON? AND I WAS LIKE, MAN, IF WE NEED CUPS OF WATER THAT BAD, WE ARE PROBABLY WELL PAST STAGE TWO.

WE'RE LIKE IN STAGE FIVE OR SOMETHING.

AND SO REALLY, THE HUNDREDS OF GALLONS SAVED, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE A IT JUST SEEMED LIKE SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T MATTER.

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AND I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER DEAL, I DO AGREE WITH THE MAYOR PRO TEM AT SOME POINT, BUT I WOULDN'T JUDGE OUR USAGE OR WHAT WE SHOULDN'T USE BASED ON SOMEONE WHO'S WE'RE PAYING FOR. IF WE'RE PAYING FOR 4 MILLION GALLONS A DAY AND OUR WATER LEVELS ARE, WELL, LEVELS DROP, THEN WE PUMP 4 MILLION FROM THE PEOPLE WE'RE PAYING FOR. AND SO TO ME, IT'S GOING TO GET REAL COMPLICATED.

SO I DON'T KNOW THE EASY WAY.

BUT AND I ALSO THINK WE HAVE DON'T WE HAVE THINGS LIKE IF JONAH GOES TO A LEVEL, WE HAVE TO MOVE TO A LEVEL. THERE'S LIKE A, IT'S A MANVILLE THAT YOU'RE THINKING OF.

MANVILLE. SO WE HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT SOMETIMES IT GETS FUNNY. THE ONLY CHANGE I WOULD HAVE MADE TO THIS AND WAS LEGALLY, CAN WE RESTRICT THE CO-OP FROM WATERING WHEN WE GO TO STAGE THREE OR STAGE FOUR? IS THE CO-OP ON A WILL? THEY'RE ON A PRIVATE. WELL, YEAH. NO, THEY I THINK THAT'S AN EXEMPTION.

EXEMPTION BECAUSE OF A RULE OR EXEMPTION BECAUSE STATE LAW IF THEY'RE ON A PRIVATE WELL SO BY STATE LAW RESTRICTS US FROM RESTRICTING THEM.

MY MY WELL WHILE SHE'S THINKING ABOUT IT.

SO IF, IF WE HAD A GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT HERE, THEN THEY WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IT ON THE PRIVATE WELLS.

WELL, YOU GUYS CAN LET THEM KNOW. IT MAKES IT.

DOES IT MAKE CITY HALL LOOK EXTREMELY BAD WHEN YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, YOU CAN'T WASH YOUR CARS, YOU CAN'T DO THIS.

OR YOU CAN'T DO THAT. MEANWHILE, THERE'S LIKE, FOUR BUSTED HEADS OUTSIDE AND WE'RE FLOODING THE DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? AND YOU'VE GOT WATER FOUNTAINS SHOOTING OFF AND SPRAYING WATER EVERYWHERE. AND WE'RE LIKE, HEY, WE'RE IN A.

SO I JUST PUT IT OUT THERE THAT I GET QUITE A FEW OF THOSE COMMENTS AND COMPLAINTS AS LONG AS WE CAN FISH THOUGH.

AND SO IF THIS PASSES, WOULD OUR PRACTICE CHANGE TO WHERE WE WOULDN'T JUST STAY ON STAGE ONE ALL THE TIME? BECAUSE NOW THAT'S NO LONGER WE'RE USING STAGE ONE AS OUR EDUCATION? NO, WE WOULD STAY ON STAGE ONE IF WE ARE CONSUMING MORE THAN 75% OF OUR PRODUCTION CAPABILITIES, AND IF WE ARE, WHICH WE ARE, THEN WE WOULD STAY IN STAGE ONE, WHICH WOULD NOW BE MANDATORY WATERING DAYS.

SO I WOULD OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO LEAVE STAGE ONE AS VOLUNTARY.

WE'LL SEE. WE'LL SEE IF THAT GETS SUPPORTED. SECOND, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

SO I'M HEARING ABOUT WATER ENFORCEMENT RESTRICTIONS.

HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THAT? BECAUSE BASICALLY WHEN WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING OUT THESE DIFFERENT STAGES, TO ME IT'S ON THE HONOR SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WONDER IF THEY THEY CAN CHOOSE TO IGNORE THIS AND JUST CONTINUE TO WATER HOW THEY'RE WATERING.

AND SO HOW HOW DO THESE GET ENFORCED.

IT'S A IT'S A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR.

SO IN OTHER WORDS THEY WOULD GET TICKETED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT THEY SHINING LIGHTS ON IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. I KNOW TONIGHT'S ODD HOUSES.

AND WE'RE TELLING THE CHIEF WE NEED MONEY FOR THE POLICE STATION.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, IF I HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE LIVING IN MY HOUSE, WHICH I TEND TO DO THAT USE A LOT OF WATER.

WHAT'S TO SAY THAT THEY DON'T LIKE? HOW ARE THEY? HOW ARE THEY LITERALLY JUST LOOKING FOR THE SPRINKLERS GOING OFF ON? THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SPRINKLERS GOING OFF AT THE WRONG TIME ON THE WRONG DAY. THAT'S IT.

OTHERWISE THEY DON'T. THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS PLAN THAT TALKS AT ALL ABOUT YOUR INTERNAL CONSUMPTION INSIDE THE FACILITY.

IT IS ONLY FOR IRRIGATION.

LIKE HOW? I MEAN, LIKE BETWEEN 10 P.M.

AND 8 A.M.. IF I JUST DUMP WATER ON THE LAWN.

THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT THAT. THEY'RE JUST LOOKING. YOU CAN DUMP AS MUCH WATER. DO IT AFTER 8 A.M. AS MUCH AS YOU CAN PHYSICALLY DUMP.

YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

BUT IF YOU DO IT OUTSIDE THAT WINDOW, RIGHT THEN THAT AND THE REASON THAT THE WINDOWS ARE THERE IS BECAUSE AFTER 10 A.M., USUALLY HEAT OF THE DAY STARTS.

YOUR WATER IS IS DOING LESS GOOD BEING BEING PUT ONTO THE YARD.

YOU KNOW ALSO PEOPLE WILL AND I'VE BEEN GUILTY OF THIS TURN ON MY MANUAL SPRINKLER AND I'LL FORGET THAT I TURNED IT ON AND THEN IT'LL RUN.

RIGHT. I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE IN MY LIFE, BUT NONE OF YOU GUYS HAVE.

THAT'S THE PRICE OF WATER. NO, SIR.

TODAY. WELL, I HAVE, I HAVE, I HAVE IT BARELY RUNS TO GET THE HEAD TO POP UP. I CAN SET THE TIMERS ON THAT.

BUT NOT EVERYBODY HAS THAT.

YOU KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DO IT MANUALLY. SO IF, IF IT GETS LEFT ON OVERNIGHT, THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER REASON WHY THE HOURS ARE OKAY. WELL, YOU CAN DO IT FROM 8 P.M.

TILL 10 A.M. OR WHATEVER IT IS.

IT'S KIND OF THAT WINDOW OF TIME. BUT IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF THAT WATERING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET ENFORCED. OR IF YOU'RE WATERING ON THE WRONG DAY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET ENFORCED.

SO FOR CLARIFICATION, THE WAY THE WAY THIS IS PRESENTED.

SO BASICALLY STAGE TWO BECOMES STAGE ONE AND THERE IS NO STAGE ONE.

I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THIS, BUT I KIND OF MISSED IT. I WAS TYPING SOME OTHER STUFF. STAGE ONE SINCE WE'RE ON STAGE ONE EVERY DAY ANYWAY.

WELL WE'RE ON STAGE TWO. STAGE TWO RIGHT NOW.

BUT ALL LAST YEAR WE WERE ON STAGE ONE.

I THINK MATT MADE STAGE ONE BE A NEW CONSERVATION PLAN REGULARLY ON STAGE.

THE NEW STAGE ONE IS MOSTLY LIKE WHAT? WE'RE ON STAGE TWO RIGHT NOW. WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE STAGES,

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SO STAGE ONE STAYS AS STAGE ONE, EXCEPT THAT INSTEAD OF IT BEING VOLUNTARY, IT'S MANDATORY BECAUSE WE WOULD ALSO BE ADDING A CONSERVATION PLAN, WHICH IS THE VOLUNTARY EDUCATION OUTREACH.

HEY, YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT THIS. YOU SHOULD BE RESTRICTING YOUR THE AMOUNT OF WATER YOU'RE DUMPING OUT ON THE GROUND, THAT KIND OF THING. AND THEN SO WHO POLICES THAT? THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT.

YEAH. OKAY. SO THE ENFORCEMENT AND PD.

SO THEY JUST GO BLOCK TO BLOCK AND KIND OF SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

I MEAN, GENERALLY WE DON'T ALWAYS DO LIKE LIKE LIKE IT'S LIKE TARGETED ENFORCEMENT PER SE, UNLESS THINGS ARE LIKE RATCHETING UP OR WE'RE NOTICING A LOT OF NONCOMPLIANCE.

OKAY. BUT GENERALLY IT'S IT'S NEIGHBORS CALLING AND COMPLAINING ON THEIR NEIGHBORS NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES. THAT'S USUALLY WHAT WHAT DOES IT IF YOU HEAR A KNOCK AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING AND YOU SEE THE POLICE AND YOUR SPRINKLERS ARE RUNNING, 3:00 IS OKAY AS LONG AS IT'S ON THE RIGHT DAY. YEAH.

AS LONG AS HPD KNOWS WHERE THE CCN IS, TOO.

YEAH. ARE YOU OKAY? JUST MAKING IT BE VOLUNTARY ON STAGE ONE.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION.

WHERE DOES I'M LOOKING FOR, LIKE, RUNOFF? WHAT ARE THE. EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE WATERING DURING YOUR NORMAL HOURS AND YOUR NORMAL IN YOUR APPROPRIATE DAYS.

PART OF THE MAIN MOTION.

OKAY. SO IS RUNOFF COVERED OR OVERFLOW? RUNOFF IS NOT CONSIDERED IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IF YOU'RE DUMPING A BUNCH OF WATER ON YOUR SIDEWALK. YEAH.

LIKE IF YOUR SPRINKLERS ARE POINTED IN THE WRONG WAY AND THEY'RE SPRAYING THE CO-OP, YOU KNOW, FLOODING THE CIRCLE. YEAH, EXACTLY.

I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT'S. YEAH, THERE IS ON STAGE RIGHT NOW, THE STAGE TWO AND THREE, THERE IS A SECTION UNDER DEFINITIONS OF NON-ESSENTIAL USE THAT SAYS FAILURE TO REPAIR CONTROL LEAKS.

OKAY. WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME.

AND THEN IT IDENTIFIES IT IN STAGE TWO.

SEE ROMAN NUMERAL EIGHT AND IT SAYS FOLLOWING ESSENTIALLY THAT'S NONCOMPLIANCE.

OKAY. SO SO MAINTAINING THE SYSTEM IS PART OF COMPLIANCE BUT WITHIN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. SO IT COULD BE 10 TO 21 DAYS.

YEAH. IF WE GO CODE ENFORCEMENT, THEN WE HAVE TO NOTIFY AND WE CAN'T REALLY ENFORCE. WE CAN'T CITE THEM FOR 14 DAYS.

RIGHT. THAT'S GENERALLY HOW THAT WORKS. THEY GOT 14 DAYS IN ORDER TO GET IT RESOLVED. AND THEN WE CITE THEM. IF THE PD JUST OUTRIGHT CUTS A TICKET BECAUSE IT'S LISTED AS A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR POTENTIAL, THEN THEY WOULD JUST GET A CITATION STRAIGHT AWAY. OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. THIS IS FOR THE MOTION.

THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED WITH THE WITH THE REVISION TO STAGE ONE, MAKING IT VOLUNTARY. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON.

AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. KING.

AYE. MOTION PASSES SIX ONE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. NORRIS.

BUT YOU GUYS DIDN'T THINK THAT. TAKE 30 MINUTES, DID YOU? NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 11 ONE.

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RECEIVE A PRESENTATION.

IS IT BETTER TO DO ALL THESE AT ONCE? YES, IT IS 11 ONE, TWO, THREE AND FOUR.

DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? YES, SIR. PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 11 ONE.

RECEIVE A PRESENTATION AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R.

DASH 2020 5-198 REGARDING MEDICAL INSURANCE COVERAGE 2025 RFP ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. AND WE'LL DO ITEM 11 TWO CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R 2020 5-199 TO AUTHORIZE RENEWAL OF THE CITY'S BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD CONTRACT FOR DENTAL, VISION, LIFE AND DISABILITY PROGRAM BENEFITS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 AND ITEM 11 THREE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R, DASH 2025 200. APPROVING AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH HARRIS COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION TO ALLOW COOPERATIVE PURCHASING OPTIONS FOR OTHER MEDICAL CARE SERVICE OPTIONS FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO EMPLOYEES.

INDEPENDENCE. AND THEN WE'LL ADD TO THIS ITEM 11 FOR CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R, DASH 2025.

DASH 201 DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO APPROVE AN AGREEMENT WITH NEXT LEVEL PRIME FOR CITY OF HUTTO. CITY EMPLOYEES.

INDEPENDENCE. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

FOR THE RECORD, I'M CHRISTIANA SPENCER, HUMAN RESOURCES MANAGER.

THIS EVENING I'M PROUD TO INTRODUCE BRETT BOWERS, OUR EMPLOYEE BENEFIT SPECIALIST WITH HUB INTERNATIONAL.

BRETT BRINGS EXPERIENCE IN EMPLOYEE BENEFITS BROKERAGE, PARTICULARLY IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.

AND HE WILL BE PRESENTING INFORMATION REGARDING THE CITY'S EMPLOYEE BENEFIT PLAN AND RENEWAL PROCESS OPTIONS FOR THE UPCOMING 2526 PLAN YEAR.

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AND THIS INFORMATION THAT BRETT WILL PROVIDE WILL SERVICE, BACKGROUND AND CONTEXT TO THE TO ASSIST YOU IN YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THE AGENDA.

ITEMS 11.2 THROUGH 11.4.

WELCOME. I WONDER WHO THAT WAS SITTING IN THE BACK ROW. NOW WE KNOW I'M THE LAST MOHICAN BACK THERE. HOWDY, MAYOR.

COUNCIL. MY NAME IS BRETT BOWERS.

I WORK FOR A COMPANY CALLED HUB INTERNATIONAL.

I WORK IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR DIVISION.

WE SERVE ABOUT 130 CITIES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

THREE MILES AWAY FROM HERE. SO KIND OF A LOCAL GUY.

I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY AND PRIVILEGE TO WORK WITH THE CITY FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

EVERY YEAR, AS WE LOOK TO RENEW THE EMPLOYEE BENEFIT PACKAGE, IT'S IT'S THE SAME CONVERSATION AND THE SAME GOALS.

AND THAT IS, WE WANT TO GET THE BEST POSSIBLE BENEFITS FOR THE LOWEST POSSIBLE PRICE.

AND THERE'S SOME DYNAMICS IN THE MARKETPLACE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

BUT BY FAR, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE RENEWAL PROCESS AND WHAT'S GOING TO KIND OF DICTATE THE PATTERN OF THE PATH THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH, BY AND LARGE, IT'S IT'S OUR CLAIMS UTILIZATION.

AS WE PARTNER WITH BLUE CROSS AND BLUE SHIELD THEY'RE PAYING OUR CLAIMS, WE'RE GIVING THEM A PREMIUM AND THEN THEY'RE PAYING OUR CLAIMS. AND LET'S SEE IF I CAN HIT THIS BUTTON. SO THIS THIS RIGHT HERE IS KIND OF KIND OF OUR LAUNCHING POINT FOR THE STORY.

AND THAT IS THIS IS OUR LOSS RATIO.

SO IF YOU LOOK OVER ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE ALL THE LOSS RATIO IS IT'S THE CLAIMS DIVIDED BY THE PREMIUMS. AND SO IF YOU'RE AN INSURANCE COMPANY, YOU WANT THAT NUMBER TO BE UNDER 85%.

AND THAT MEANS FOR EVERY DOLLAR WE GIVE TO BLUE CROSS AND BLUE SHIELD, $0.85 OF THAT DOLLAR GOES TOWARDS PAYING CLAIMS. AND THE OTHER 15% IS FOR OVERHEAD AND JUST THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

SO YOU CAN SEE LAST YEAR WHEN WE SHUT DOWN OUR PLAN YEAR, WE HAD A LOSS RATIO OF 218%.

AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE HAD A WHOLE LOT MORE CLAIMS GOING OUT THAN PREMIUMS COMING IN. HOWEVER, THIS WAS OUR FIRST YEAR LAST YEAR TO KIND OF BE RUNNING HOT.

SO JUST TO KIND OF LOOK BACKWARDS SO WE CAN LOOK FORWARDS.

LAST YEAR WE DID GET AN INCREASE FROM BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD OF 27%.

BUT WE WERE ABLE TO THROUGH THE RFP AND SOME NEGOTIATIONS TO GET IT DOWN TO ABOUT 16.43 OVERALL, WHICH IS WAS 8.2% INCREASE TO THE CITY.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE WERE TODAY.

AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT THE YEAR TO DATE CLAIMS, THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE GETTING BETTER.

OUR YEAR TO DATE LOSS RATIO IS 133%.

AND THEN IF YOU LOOK OVER THERE TO THE RIGHT, WHEN THE INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE LOOKING AT AT WHAT THE RATES WILL BE, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE MOST RECENT 12 MONTHS AND THAT'S THAT 156% NUMBER THERE.

SO ALL THAT'S SUFFICIENT TO SAY THIS.

WE KNEW, WITHOUT A DOUBT, GOING INTO THIS RENEWAL CONVERSATION THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE A SITUATION WHERE WE WOULD NOT GET A FAVORABLE RENEWAL.

SO WE PROACTIVELY DID AN RFP.

IT WASN'T PER THE PURCHASING LAWS FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS.

WE JUST KNEW THAT IT WOULD GIVE US BETTER LEVERAGE TO NEGOTIATE WITH BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD. AND THEN AS WELL, WE MIGHT FIND A MORE FAVORABLE PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, AS A RESULT OF THAT RFP PROCESS.

SO WE CAST A PRETTY BIG NET.

AND THEN I SHOULD TELL YOU THIS.

AND I DID NOT PUT THIS IN HERE BECAUSE IT CAN BE SENSITIVE AT SOME AT SOME LEVEL.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRIVERS OF THE CLAIMS, BECAUSE YOU WOULD WANT TO KNOW, WELL, WHY ARE WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON? JUST UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE GOT SOME INDIVIDUALS WHO'VE REALLY HAD SOME CATASTROPHIC ILLNESSES. SO WE'VE HAD ABOUT 11 FOLKS ACCOUNT FOR 62% OF OUR CLAIMS. AND THAT HAPPENS SOMETIMES.

AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE INSURANCE.

SOMEBODY GETS CATASTROPHICALLY ILL. THEY INCUR THOSE CLAIMS, BUT THAT REALLY HAS BEEN THE DRIVER OF OUR CLAIMS UTILIZATION.

SO IF I FAST FORWARD TO HERE.

SO I DIDN'T WANT TO BORE YOU GUYS TOO MUCH WITH THE RFP PROCESS, BUT SUFFICIENT TO SAY WE CAST A VERY WIDE NET ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.

AND AGAIN, OUR MAIN CONCERN WAS MEDICAL.

AND YOU'LL SEE WITH THE DENTAL AND VISION, IT'S PRETTY STABLE.

WHEN WE CAST OUR NET TO THE MARKET FOR MEDICAL WE'RE TALKING AETNA, CIGNA UNITED, HUMANA, BLUE CROSS TEXAS HEALTH EVERY HEALTH CURATIVE BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE.

ANYBODY WHO HAS PAPER THAT COULD SUPPORT THE CITY WITH THAT COVERAGE.

WE GOT BACK THREE PROPOSALS, SO EVERYBODY ELSE DECLINED IT.

WE GOT BACK BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD RENEWAL, WHICH THEY'RE OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE US FOR RENEWAL. THAT CAME IN AT 38%.

WE GOT A QUOTE FROM BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE.

IT WAS 74%. AND THEN WE GOT A QUOTE FROM EVERY HEALTH.

AND WE NEGOTIATED THAT DOWN THE LINE THROUGH THROUGH THE PROCESS.

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AND WHERE WERE WE ABLE TO GET THE THE FINAL NUMBER FOR EVERY HEALTH WAS AN 8.31% OVERALL COMPARED TO WHAT WE COULD NEGOTIATE WITH BLUE CROSS, WHICH WAS A 31% INCREASE.

SO NOBODY AT THE CITY WANTS TO MOVE FROM BLUE CROSS, AT LEAST OF ALL ME. ANYTIME YOU CHANGE CARRIERS, YOU'RE CHANGING NETWORKS.

THE FORMULARY IS DIFFERENT.

IT'S NOT AN IDEAL SITUATION.

BUT AS WE WORK WITH OTHER CITIES, THE GENERAL RULE IS IF IT'S SAVINGS OF MORE THAN 7%, THAT'S WHEN YOU REALLY START TRYING TO LOOK AND SAY, OKAY, DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO TO ABSORB SOME OF THE, THE TRANSITION WOES? AND IN THIS SCENARIO, IT WAS LIKE A 25% DIFFERENCE.

SO THEN WE KIND OF PUT OUR HAT ON BACKWARDS AND WE SAID, OKAY, THE RATES ARE LESS.

NOW LET'S LOOK AT THE BENEFITS BECAUSE THE RATES ARE JUST THE RATES.

IT'S HOW IS IT GOING TO IMPACT THE EMPLOYEES? AND I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO MUCH IN THE DETAILS OF THE COVERAGE, BUT I'LL JUST I'LL JUST BE HONEST WITH YOU. THE COVERAGE, FOR THE MOST PART WITH EVERY HEALTH, IS GOING TO BE BETTER THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WITH BLUE CROSS.

SO WITH BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD, IT'S A TRADITIONAL TYPE OF PLAN.

IT'S GOT $1,000 DEDUCTIBLE.

YOU GOT A $3,000 OUT OF POCKET, MAX.

YOU GO TO THE DOCTOR, YOU PAY CO-PAYS.

AND IT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH.

EVERY HEALTH HAS A KIND OF A MORE INNOVATIVE PLAN DESIGN, AND WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE CITIES KIND OF YIELD AND MOVE INTO THIS DIRECTION BECAUSE IT IS SO INNOVATIVE. WITH THE EVERY HEALTH PLAN, THERE'S THERE'S NO DEDUCTIBLE.

YOU DON'T PAY TO GO TO THE DOCTOR.

IT'S AT NO OUT-OF-POCKET COST.

SO THEY'RE TRYING TO REMOVE THE BARRIERS TO EMPLOYEES GOING TO GET CARE WITH THE IDEA.

IF THEY GO TO THE DOCTOR, THEN THEY WILL HAVE LESS CHRONIC AND CATASTROPHIC CLAIMS. ANOTHER THING THAT IS REALLY UNIQUE ABOUT WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER FOR THE CITY.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD OF NEXT LEVEL PRIME, BUT THEY'VE GOT A LOCATION HERE.

THEY'VE GOT ONE IN ROUND ROCK, THEY'VE GOT ONE IN LEANDER. THEY'VE GOT ABOUT FIVE OF THEM KIND OF IN OUR AREA.

WE'RE PARTNERING WITH THEM, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THE LAST RESOLUTION.

SO IF ANY EMPLOYEE OR ANY OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS WHO ARE COVERED ON THE MEDICAL PLAN, IF THEY GO TO ACCESS CARE IN THE NEXT LEVEL CLINIC THEY CAN DO SO AT NO OUT-OF-POCKET COSTS. AND SO THAT HAS URGENT CARE.

IT HAS BEHAVIORAL CARE, IT HAS PRIMARY CARE.

AND IT REALLY IS KIND OF NEAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY FOR SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO WALK THROUGH THE DOOR, GET THE CARE THAT THEY NEED AND NOT COST ANYTHING WILL BE AN ADVANTAGE TO THE INDIVIDUAL. BUT WHERE I GET EXCITED BECAUSE I'M A BENEFITS GEEK, BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING NEXT LEVEL FOR THESE SERVICES, ALL THE CLAIMS THAT ARE BEING INCURRED THERE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET RUN THROUGH THE PLAN. SO WE WON'T SEE IT ON THAT SLIDE BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE RUN THROUGH EVERY HEALTH. IT'S GOING TO BE PREPAID, AND IT'S GOING TO BE APART FROM OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH EVERY HEALTH.

BUT FOR THE EMPLOYEES, IT'LL IT'LL ALL BLEND TOGETHER.

BUT THAT'S REALLY KIND OF WHAT THE THE PROPOSAL IS IN FRONT OF YOU.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD PLAN, THE WAY IT IS, IS NOT SUSTAINABLE FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE.

EVEN SO, IF WE MOVE TO EVERY HEALTH, I REALLY DO BELIEVE IT'S A BETTER PLAN.

BUT IF IF I DIDN'T TELL YOU THE BAD PART OF IT, THEN I WOULDN'T BE DOING MY JOB.

SO WE HAD ABOUT 20 PEOPLE LAST YEAR MEET THEIR DEDUCTIBLE.

AND SO IN THAT SITUATION, OF COURSE, WE HAD 11 PEOPLE THAT MET THEIR WHOLE OUT OF POCKET. IN THAT SITUATION, THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACCESSING OUTPATIENT HOSPITALIZATION, INPATIENT HOSPITALIZATION, MAY DREAMING.

THE PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY USING THE PLAN, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST AS A I GOT A COLD OR I BROKE MY ARM, BUT PEOPLE THAT HAVE MAJOR CHRONIC ILLNESSES, THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR THEM AT TIME OF SERVICE.

RIGHT NOW, THE MAXIMUM OUT OF POCKET IS 3000.

AND THAT WOULD GO UP TO 5250.

SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT 150 PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY GOING TO LOVE THIS PLAN BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING.

BUT FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACCESSING THOSE MAJOR COST DRIVERS, SUCH AS HOSPITALIZATION, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE OUT-OF-POCKET COSTS ON THE BACK END FOR THOSE SERVICES BECAUSE IT'S A HIGHER MAXIMUM OUT OF POCKET.

ANOTHER NEGATIVE THING THAT COULD BE BROUGHT TO MIND.

WE DID A PHYSICIAN DISRUPTION.

SO IT IS A 97% MATCH ON OUR BEST PLAN, OUR PPO PLAN.

IT IS ABOUT A 90% MATCH ON OUR EPO PLAN, WHICH IS WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT PLANS.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY ON THE EPO PLAN.

IF THEY WANT TO STAY ON THAT PLAN, THEY'RE GOING TO POTENTIALLY HAVE TO BUY UP TO THE PPO BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME PAIN MANAGEMENT COMPANIES AND SOME SPECIALISTS, NOT ANY DELIVERY SYSTEM.

WE STILL HAVE BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE, SAINT DAVID'S AND ALL THE BIG ONES. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE SPECIALTY CARE, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME DISRUPTION FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO REMAIN ON THAT EPO PLAN OR THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN.

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BUT UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S JUST UNAVOIDABLE.

WE STILL HAVE TWO PLANS WHERE IT'S FREE TO THE CITY EMPLOYEES BECAUSE THE CITY'S PAYING 100% FOR IT. BUT IF THEY LOOK AT THE PLAN DESIGNS AND THE NETWORK AND THEY SAY, NO, I WANT THAT PPO PLAN BECAUSE I WANT THE BIGGER NETWORK, THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUY IT, BUT IT IS AT A COST.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE THE LAST SLIDE, WHICH I THINK CRISTIANO IS GOING TO GO THROUGH, I DON'T WANT TO SUGARCOAT IT. IF YOU'RE ON THE PPO PLAN AND THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE, IT'S IT'S PRETTY MUCH OKAY.

BUT IF YOU ARE ON THE PPO PLAN, WHICH WE HAVE 40 PEOPLE, I GUESS I SHOULD BE USING MY SLIDE HERE.

LET ME SHOW YOU THIS SLIDE HERE.

RIGHT HERE YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE BREAKOUT OF THE THREE PLANS.

SO IF YOU LOOK OVER ON THE LEFT WE'VE GOT 45 PEOPLE CURRENTLY ON THAT BUY UP PPO PLAN.

WE'VE GOT 60 THAT ARE ON THE PPO PLAN.

THAT'S THE THAT'S WHAT THE CITY FUNDS AT 100%.

AND THEN THEY ALLOW PEOPLE TO BUY UP TO THE PPO OR BUY DOWN TO THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE HEALTH PLAN. AND SO IF YOU'RE ON THE EPO OR THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF DISRUPTION HERE. AS A MATTER OF FACT, IF YOU'RE ON THE EPO, WHICH 60 PEOPLE ARE ON THAT PLAN, THEIR COSTS ARE GOING DOWN FROM A PAYROLL PERSPECTIVE. IF YOU'RE ON THE EPO HIGH DEDUCTIBLE, WHICH IS THE BUY DOWN PLAN, THEIR COSTS ARE STILL GOING TO BE LESS THAN THE EPO BECAUSE IT COSTS LESS, BUT THEIR PER UNIT COSTS ARE GOING TO GO UP ABOUT 8% NEXT YEAR. IT REALLY IS THE PPO PLAN YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE BOTTOM.

THAT'S A 19% INCREASE FOR THAT PPO PLAN.

SO I THINK WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF EDUCATION BECAUSE THIS IS LIKE COMPARING AN APPLE TO AN ORANGE.

GOING FROM BLUE CROSS TO EVERY HEALTH, IT REALLY IS.

I THINK IT'S A BETTER PLAN, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S A DIFFERENT PLAN.

IT'S GOT DIFFERENT RULES, IT'S GOT DIFFERENT NETWORKS. WE'RE DOING OPEN ENROLLMENT. WE'VE GOT THE PROVIDERS ALL COMING OUT HERE. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT ABOUT EDUCATION. BUT I REALLY BELIEVE AFTER THE DUST SETTLES, I THINK I THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LIKE THE PLAN.

BUT THAT'S NOT TO SUGARCOAT THE FACT THAT NOBODY LIKES CHANGE AND NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO DO THIS. I GET THAT.

BUT WE'LL HAVE TO DO OUR BEST.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE A MIGRATION OF THOSE PEOPLE ON THE PPO PLAN BUYING TO THE PPO PLAN, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THEIR WALLET, AND THAT WASN'T DONE ON PURPOSE.

IT'S JUST THE WAY THE UNDERWRITING PRESENTED IT, AND THAT'S THE WAY THE PLAN STACKED UP.

BUT WE'LL PROBABLY SEE MORE OF A MIGRATION TOWARDS THOSE TWO LOWER PLANS.

NOT BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT. IT'S JUST THAT'S TYPICALLY THE WAY THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO WORK. AND SO THAT'S THE MEDICAL AND THE RX.

I CAN CERTAINLY WILL GO OVER THE DENTAL DIVISION, THE LIFE AND THE DISABILITY.

BUT I KNOW THE HEAVY LIFTING HERE WHERE MOST OF THE TOPIC IS PASSIONATE.

IT RELATES TO THE MEDICAL AND THE PHARMACY CARE.

SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I'VE GOT A LOT OF STUFF HERE.

I JUST KIND OF TALK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY REFERENCE ANYTHING OR OR TRY TO BE MORE DELIBERATE IF YOU NEED SOMETHING. ALL RIGHT.

SO 11 ONE IF WE GO WITH EVER HEALTH AND THEN 11 TWO WE STICK WITH BLUE CROSS AND BLUE SHIELD FOR DENTAL VISION, LIFE AND DISABILITY.

YES, SIR. AND THREE. I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THE HARRIS COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION? WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S A THAT'S A CO-OP PURCHASING AGREEMENT.

OH, YOU NEED TO ENTER INTO IN ORDER TO GET INTO THE NEXT LEVEL PRIME AGREEMENT AS WELL.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAD FORGOTTEN WHAT IT WAS CALLED.

IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CREATIVE AND NOT JUST HAVE A ONE PATH OR USING ONE COMPANY.

FOR SOME THINGS IT'S CHEAPER, ONE COMPANY FOR ANOTHER.

IS THAT KIND OF. ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH. SO WE'RE WE'RE LITERALLY KNOWING THAT CHANGE IS DIFFICULT.

WE'RE WE'RE PARTNERING WITH NEXT LEVEL PRIME TO TRY TO BRING MORE VALUE TO THE BENEFIT PLAN. AND SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON.

SO ANY INDIVIDUAL WHO WALKS THROUGH THE DOOR OF THOSE THOSE DIFFERENT FACILITIES THAT THEY HAVE AND I'M, I'M SORRY, I SHOULD USE MY MY THING HERE.

I GOT IT RIGHT HERE. I GOT A MAP RIGHT HERE.

YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THERE'S JUST ONE RIGHT HERE IN HUTTO.

AND WE'VE GOT THEM KIND OF SPREAD OUT.

I KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIVE HERE LOCALLY, AND THEY MAY DRIVE, BUT OF COURSE, THE THE NO BRAINER IS WHILE YOU'RE HERE AT WORK IS TO GO TO THE ONE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.

BUT YEAH, WE'D BE PREPAYING NEXT LEVEL PRIME.

IT'S ALL BUILT INTO THE RATE, SO IT'S NOT.

IN ADDITION, IT'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL CHARGE.

WE'VE AGGREGATED THE TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES TO ONE RATE AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE VALUE OF DOING THE NEXT LEVEL.

AND AGAIN, WHAT I LIKE THE CLAIMS AREN'T GOING TO IMPACT THE CITY'S FUTURE RENEWAL, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO REALLY PUSH THAT AND TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, BECAUSE IT WILL HELP NOT ONLY THE CITY, BUT IT WILL HELP THE EMPLOYEES AS WE TRY TO MAINTAIN THE RATE STABILITY.

AND THEN AS PRESENTED, IT'S THE SAME COST STRUCTURE TO THE BUDGET THIS NEXT YEAR THAT WE THAN WE HAVE IN THIS YEAR TO YEAR.

IT'S THE SAME COST STRUCTURE. WE JUST RE THE,

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THE, THE CURRENT BUDGET THAT I PROPOSED INCLUDED THE COSTS FOR WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE TONIGHT. IT IS SLIGHTLY MORE THAN LAST YEAR BECAUSE HE SAID IT WAS LIKE A 8 OR 9% INCREASE. WE ABSORBED THAT.

BUT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL COSTS TO THE EMPLOYEES OVER LAST YEAR.

BECAUSE BECAUSE THE CITY BOUGHT DOWN, IF YOU WILL, THE INCREASE LAST YEAR.

SO YOU HAVE LAST YEAR'S INCREASE PLUS THIS YEAR'S INCREASE GOING TO THE EMPLOYEE AND THERE ARE SOME EMPLOYEES, AS HE WAS SAYING, THAT WILL ACTUALLY SEE THEIR RATES GO DOWN. BUT THERE ARE SOME EMPLOYEES, IF THEY CHOOSE THE SAME ELECTION, THAT THEIR THEIR OUT OF POCKET WILL GO UP AND IN SOME CASES SIGNIFICANTLY.

BECAUSE YEAH, BECAUSE THE ONE OF THEM WAS THE WAS LIKE GOING FROM 1000 OUT OF POCKET PER MONTH TO 1400 OUT OF POCKET PER MONTH.

OKAY. BUT BY AND LARGE, FROM A FROM A COST STANDPOINT, THE CITY IS RECOGNIZING IF WE APPROVE THIS AS PRESENTED, WE'RE RECOGNIZING AN 8% INCREASE THAT'S ON OUR OUR SIDE OF THE BOOKS, BECAUSE I KNOW IT SUCKS FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE TO PAY PREMIUMS. OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF HUTTO, IT DOES HAPPEN.

YOU PAY PREMIUMS AND THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT.

AND I, I FEEL LUCKY THAT I'VE ALWAYS HAD INSURANCE.

I THINK PEOPLE IN THE CITY, I FEEL LUCKY THAT THEY HAVE INSURANCE BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO DON'T. AND I'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED NOT HAVING INSURANCE THROUGH ALL THE THINGS.

SO I, I HAVEN'T EVER BEEN ON THAT SIDE.

BUT WHAT I HAVE EXPERIENCED IS BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD HAS A BAD YEAR.

WE AS A COMPANY HAD A BAD YEAR.

THE RATES WENT UP AND WE MOVED TO A DIFFERENT DEAL.

AND THEN WE WERE ON THERE FOR 3 OR 4 YEARS AND WE MOVED TO A DIFFERENT DEAL.

AND NOW WE'RE IN A HYBRID DEAL TO WHERE I HAVE A MEDICAL CARD THAT SAYS WE DON'T PAY DEDUCTIBLES AND CHARGE THE COMPANY, AND THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT LATER.

AND THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING NEW WE GOT TO DO.

I KNOW IT STINKS, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO, QUITE HONESTLY, OFFER INSURANCE AT A RATE THAT TAXPAYERS ARE NOT GOING TO SAY, HEY, LOOK, YOU CAN'T BE GIVING THEM BIG RAISES AND INSURANCE AND ALL THIS AT SOME POINT, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE OUT THERE DON'T HAVE INSURANCE OR THEY'RE SEEING BIG INCREASES. SO I THINK AN 8% INCREASE FOR THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THIS IS GOOD.

AND MAYBE AS YOU GUYS ARE GETTING MORE CREATIVE, THERE MAY BE A PARTNERSHIP. I'LL TELL YOU ONE OTHER THING. YOU GUYS MIGHT REACH OUT TO HEB OVER THIS YEAR. I KNOW WE PARTNERED WITH HEB AT MY EMPLOYER, AND THEY DO WORK TO WHERE? I DON'T KNOW HOW IT ALL WORKS OUT, BUT SOMEHOW YOU CAN WALK INTO HEB AND SEE THEIR DOCTOR AND DO ALL THAT, AND IT'S LIKE AN URGENT CARE, AND WE'RE WORKING PARTNERSHIPS WITH EVERYBODY WE CAN BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO CUT ALL THE MEDICAL COSTS OUT. AND BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE AN OPTION.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS OKAY. WE ALWAYS HAVE AN OPTION FOR PEOPLE THAT MONEY DOESN'T MEAN THE SAME. THERE'S ALWAYS A BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD OPTION.

I DON'T KNOW WHOEVER USES IT AT MY PLACE, BUT IT'S ALWAYS OUT THERE FOR THE HIGH ROLLERS AND GUYS LIKE ME END UP, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE GO THIS YEAR? JUST BECAUSE COST. BUT SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO.

TRY AND ENCOMPASS ALL THIS TO GO WITH EVER HEALTH.

RENEW THE BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD CONTRACT.

AUTHORIZE TO PURCHASE MEDICAL CARE WITH HARRIS COUNTY.

AND ENTERING AN AGREEMENT WITH NEXT LEVEL PRIME.

IS IT OKAY IF WE JUST SAY YOUR MOTIONS 11, TWO, THREE AND FOUR AS PRESENTED, OR ONE, TWO THREE AND FOUR.

1234 AS PRESENTED? YEAH, I'LL DO THAT.

I DO HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY COUNCILOR GORDON.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. SO WE'LL DO IT ALL AS ONE VOTE.

YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS.

I COUNCIL MEMBER. GORDON I COUNCIL MEMBER.

THOMPSON I COUNCIL MEMBER.

KING I COUNCIL MEMBER.

PORTERFIELD I MAYOR PRO TEM.

THORNTON I MAYOR SNYDER I.

THANK YOU. YOU MIGHT BE THE FIRST GUY TO KNOCK OUT FOUR FOR ITEMS IN ONE VOTE.

JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOU DID GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 12.

[12.1. Review and possible action on the Fiscal Year 2026 Proposed Budget.]

ONE REVIEW AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 PROPOSED BUDGET.

THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

ALBERTA BARRETT, FINANCE DIRECTOR. FOR THE RECORD.

SO WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING TO DISCUSS OR CONTINUE DISCUSSING THE FY 26 PROPOSED BUDGET. WE DID GO THROUGH SOME OF THOSE ITEMS LAST WEEK.

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SO IT'S ON HERE TO CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION IF YOU'D LIKE.

WE DO NOT HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED NEXT WEEK.

HOWEVER, WE COULD DO THAT IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD PREFER TO DO.

BUT ON THE SEPTEMBER 4TH MEETING, IS THE MEETING TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BUDGET AND HOLD YOUR PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TAX RATE AND ADOPTION OF BOTH.

SO AVAILABLE FOR AND WE HAVE DEPARTMENT HEADS HERE TO THANK YOU TO DISCUSS ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. WELL, I APPRECIATE THE CITY MANAGER GIVING ME ANSWERS AND YOU GUYS GIVING ME ANSWERS ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT STUFF.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS WE CAN WE CAN CUT.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE EFFICIENCY COMMISSION WILL BE ABLE TO DO.

THERE WERE THINGS, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT BUYING CASES OF WATER FROM SUPPLY STORES AND STUFF, HAVING DUG IN TO SEE, I'M NOT LOOKING TO SAVE A QUARTER HERE AND THERE, BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT MAKE ME FEEL LIKE WE CAN BUY A CASE OF WATER CHEAPER FROM ANOTHER SOURCE AND A SUPPLY.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S MORE FOR THE EFFICIENCY COMMISSION TO KIND OF DIG IN AND FIND OUT IF IF PERCEPTIONS REALITY ARE NOT.

I WAS TRYING TO THINK CITY MANAGER GAVE ME A LIST OF MY QUESTIONS IN EXCEL SPREADSHEET, BUT. SO I'LL DO THIS. I'LL TRY TO MIX UP THIS WEEK.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BUDGET AS PRESENTED WITH THE FOLLOWING REVISIONS.

AND I'LL PASS THIS OUT.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO WRITE AS MUCH. WHILE YOU'RE PASSING THAT OUT.

WHILE YOU'RE PASSING THAT OUT. MAYOR THERE IS A LINE ITEM IN THE POLICE BUDGET FOR SOFTWARE LICENSING AND MAINTENANCE.

IT'S NUMBER GL10 0500 016 412.

THERE'S A LINE ITEM FOR A CONTRACT WITH CELLEBRITE LIMITED.

I'M DISCLOSING A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND WILL FILE MY AFFIDAVIT BEFORE A VOTE ON THIS ITEM IN THE BUDGET. THANK YOU SIR.

AND SO WE DO NEED A SECOND TO THE MOTION.

BUT WHAT BRIAN'S WANTING TO BRING UP IS THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE IF IF THIS IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAT GOES, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SEPTEMBER 4TH WE NEED TO TAKE THAT OUT AND VOTE ON THAT LINE ITEM SEPARATELY AND THEN AND THEN WRAP IT INTO THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

AND THAT'S GO. YOU READY? YES. TEN DASH 050-001-6412.

OKAY. AND WHAT WAS THAT ITEM? IT'S UNDER POLICE BUDGET.

P OH, SOFTWARE LICENSING AND MAINTENANCE.

AND YOU'RE WANTING TO ADD THAT? SAY IT AGAIN.

YOU'RE WANTING TO ADD THAT? NO.

I HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. OH, THE.

OH, I GOT YOU. ALL RIGHT.

GOTCHA. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BUDGET AS PRESENTED WITH THE FOLLOWING REVISIONS. ADDING $250,000 TO A LINE ITEM FOR UBER RIDE SHARE.

BUT THAT THE STARTUP HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR BECAUSE IT COSTS MORE THAN THAT.

WE'LL FINISH UP NEXT YEAR.

CUT THE VEHICLE ALLOWANCE IN HALF.

CUT THE. I'M SORRY, JAMES, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS CALLED, BUT I CUT THE EXECUTIVE SNACK ROOM THING FROM 3750 TO $500.

ADD A CANINE OFFICER DOG AND ALL THE MISCELLANEOUS STUFF THAT GOES THROUGH WITH THAT. BUT THAT TO BE STARTED HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR.

REMOVE ANY FUNDING INVOLVING THE A2 TEAM, COMMUNITY AND CULTURE AND STRATEGIC OPERATIONS. BUT THAT'S NOT THE PEOPLE.

IT'S THE STRATEGIC OPERATIONS MOMENT.

THAT'S JUST FOR ANY KIND OF TRAINING OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT'S IN THERE THAT GETS THEM GOING. BUT NOT TO DEMOTE ANYBODY, NOT TO LAY OFF ANYBODY JUST FOR YOU TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOVE THINGS AROUND SO THAT WE COMPRESS THE THE ORG CHART.

ADD IN THE LEGAL SETTLEMENT THAT WE JUST GOT TO OUR RESERVES AND THEN TO ADJUST THE RESERVES TO REFLECT THE NEW BALANCE.

I KNOW LAST YEAR WAS 20% TO 25.

AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS FOR THE EDC DEPARTMENT TO REMOVE THE KOREA TRIP FOR 7000, REMOVE THE QUARTERLY ED EVENTS FOR 3000, REMOVE THE STATE OF THE CITY FOR 1500, REMOVE SELECT USA FOR 4000.

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CUT THE FOOD AND MEALS FROM 1500 TO 750.

CUT THE BIO INTERNATIONAL FOR 4587.

CUT THE ARMA FOR 759. CUT PLACER AI FOR $30,429.

CUT THE COMMUNITY IMPACT ADS FOR 7500.

CUT THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS ADS FOR 6600.

CUT THE ADDITIONAL MARKETING SERVICES FROM 15,000 TO 7500.

CUT THE INCENTIVE MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE FOR 15,750.

CUT THE DIGITAL TOURING SOFTWARE FOR 5000.

CUT THE SALES TAX TRAINING FOR 1700.

CUT THE LEAD FOR 825. CUT THE TECH FOR 1400.

CUT THE WILCO EDP FROM 10,000 TO 5.

CUT THE SPONSORED SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS FOR 5000.

AND THEN THE LAST PART OF THIS IS TO APPROVE THE BUDGET WITH THE ORG CHART AS PRESENTED WITH THE CURRENT TITLES, POSITIONS, FTE COUNT AND SALARY AND OR BENEFITS THAT WE'VE APPROVED, AS WELL AS A PAGE WITH THE POSITION, TITLES, RACE, SEX, SALARY, AND YEAR OF SERVICE FOR EACH POSITION.

AND THEN TO EXCLUDE LINE ITEM GL TEN 0500 016 412 FROM THIS. CAN WE MAKE THAT A SEPARATE FROM THIS FROM THIS LIST? YEAH. SO I'M DOING I'M EXCLUDING IT. I MEAN, MAKE IT SEPARATE FROM APPROVING THE BUDGET WITH THIS LIST AND THAT.

YES, I CAN DO THAT. SECOND.

SO WHAT'S THIS LAST? SO YOUR SECOND TO LAST PARAGRAPH, IT SAYS 108,300 WINE BAR AND HAPPY PANINI.

WHAT? YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT IN YOUR.

OH, WHAT THAT IS, IS THAT CUTS.

I'VE TALKED TO JAMES A LOT ABOUT THE EDC TO WHERE TRYING TO STREAMLINE THAT AND GET MORE AND THAT 108,000 THAT WE CUT IS THE EQUIVALENT OF FOUR WINE BARS OR TWO HAPPY PANINIS OF INCENTIVES THAT WE COULD GIVE.

OH. SO ALL THIS ADDS UP TO THE 108.

300? YES, SIR. OKAY, SO THAT'S NOT PART OF LIKE, WE'RE NOT GIVING 108,000 TO THE WINE BAR.

NO, NO. SO, LIKE, WHAT ARE WE DOING? YEAH. NO, SORRY. OKAY.

THAT'S MORE OF JUST KIND OF A NOTE SAYING THIS IS WHAT.

OH I SEE. BECAUSE. GOTCHA.

AND IF YOU GUYS WANT, I'LL JUST REAL QUICK GO THROUGH THIS FOR ME.

I DID TALK TO I TALKED TO A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS BECAUSE TRYING TO MOVE THIS ALONG.

BUT I THINK UBER IS NOT THE PERFECT WAY TO DO.

WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? LIKE CITY TRANSPORTATION, BUT I THINK IT'S A PRETTY GOOD THING TO DO, AND BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ONE YEAR WE CAN AFFORD IT. SO I IMAGINE THAT TO BE A TWO YEAR PROCESS TO GET STARTED THE VEHICLE ALLOWANCE, I THINK CUTTING IT IN HALF IT'S STILL SOMETHING.

AND I THINK IT'S IT'S STILL BENEFICIAL, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT'S AFFECTING ARE THE VERY TOP TOP TIER THE OF THE GROUP EXECUTIVE SNACKS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START BRINGING OUR OWN FOOD UP THERE. AND AND I KNOW I'M BEING MEAN ON THIS STUFF. THE CANINE OFFICER I DO THINK WE NEED TO ADD ANOTHER CANINE, ESPECIALLY WE HAVE AS MANY OF EVENTS AND THINGS THAT WE DO, BUT I THINK THAT THEY'RE SAVING MONEY BY GOING HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR TO START THAT THE A2 COMMUNITY CULTURE, STRATEGIC OPERATIONS.

I HAVE I TALKED TO JAMES A LOT IN THIS.

IT'S NOT WHAT THEY DO, IT'S THAT IT'S SEPARATE DEPARTMENTS.

AND I THINK THAT LONG TERM, WHEN I SAY THAT, I REALLY I TALKED TO EVAN ABOUT THIS A LOT.

WE DON'T WANT ANY DEMOTIONS. WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING BUT HAVING 17 DIFFERENT DIRECTORS FOR A CITY OF OUR SIZE JUST I CANNOT GET MY HEAD WRAPPED AROUND THAT.

AND SO I THINK OVER TIME, AS PEOPLE GET PROMOTED, THEY FIND A JOB AT A, YOU KNOW, THEY MOVE UP, THEY GET THEIR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER UP SOMEWHERE ELSE. I THINK YOU MAY HAVE DIRECTORS AND WITH DIRECTORS, AND THAT'S FINE.

BUT I THINK AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO KIND OF CRUNCH IT TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT.

THE LEGAL SETTLEMENT. IT'S SIGNED, I THINK.

SO WE CAN ADD THAT TO RESERVES.

I DON'T WE NEVER TALKED ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN I DO APPRECIATE THAT OUR RESERVES IS GOING FROM 20% TO ROUGHLY 25%, WHICH THAT ALONE IS LIKE A MILLION AND A HALF MONEY.

AND THEN FOR THE EDC I'VE TALKED TO CHENEY SOME ABOUT THIS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF COOL THINGS THAT WE DO.

BUT SOME OF THE STUFF I KNOW WHAT THIS STUFF IS.

I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GETTING A VALUE FOR IT. BECAUSE THE BIGGEST THING I SEE IN THIS CITY RIGHT NOW IS BUSINESSES ARE LINED UP READY TO COME TO OUR CITY, BUT WE'RE STRUGGLING TO GET THEM BECAUSE WE DON'T EVEN WE DON'T HAVE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE READY. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD SPEND MONEY TO GET MORE PEOPLE HERE WHEN WE LITERALLY CANNOT HANDLE THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE. AND THEN THE ORG CHART AND ALL THAT.

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WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A MEETING OR SO AGO.

SO THAT'S KIND OF DOES THE VEHICLE ALLOWANCE, DOES THAT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT'S IN THE IN CONTRACTS FOR THE HIGHER UPS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT? IT WOULD I THINK THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS A CONTRACT IS JAMES.

SO THAT WOULD NOT AFFECT JAMES.

CAN WE VERIFY THAT? I THOUGHT MORE PEOPLE HAD IT IN THEIR CONTRACTS OTHER THAN JAMES.

I'M NOT. FOR THE RECORD, JAMES EARP, CITY MANAGER.

I'M THE ONLY CONTRACT.

I'M THE ONLY EMPLOYEE CONTRACTED.

THE EMPLOYEES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE VEHICLE ALLOWANCE? YES, SIR. THE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE THE VEHICLE ALLOWANCE STILL ARE THE LEGACY EMPLOYEES WHO HAD IT, LIKE, BEFORE I GOT HERE, AND WE STOPPED OFFERING IT.

BUT FOR THE EMPLOYEES THAT WERE ALREADY HERE, THAT HAD IT, WE JUST LET THEM CONTINUE TO KEEP IT.

AND I THINK THAT'S LIKE 5 OR 6 EMPLOYEES TOTAL.

NOW THAT'S BASICALLY ALL IT IS.

BUT IT IS $6,000 A YEAR CURRENTLY.

SO THAT MOTIONS TO KEEP THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING THEM TODAY OR GET THEM, IT'S JUST THEY GET HALF AS MUCH.

THAT'S NOT NOT HALF AS MANY PEOPLE.

NO, THAT'S THAT'S THE WAY I'M INTERPRETING WHAT HE'S SAYING.

EXCEPT YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE MINE'S CONTRACTED.

SO I'D HAVE TO AGREE TO AMEND MY CONTRACT.

YEAH. IS THIS MOTION INCLUDE THE CITY MANAGER? NO. NO. OKAY. SO IT'S THE OTHERS.

GOTCHA. SO THIS MOTION.

THIS IS THE MOTION TO APPROVE THIS IN THE BUDGET.

APPROVE THE BUDGET WITH THESE ITEMS. YES, SIR. OKAY. EXCEPT THE ONE THAT YOU.

THAT BRIAN HAS TO RECUSE HIMSELF.

WELL, HE PULLED THAT OUT.

HE ALREADY PULLED THAT OUT. THAT'S SEPARATE. OKAY.

OKAY. ONE OTHER POINT TO POINT OUT IS THE MOTION NEEDS TO BE TO AMEND THE PROPOSED BUDGET, NOT TO APPROVE THE BUDGET, IT BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE YOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ALL THOSE THINGS PROCEDURALLY BEFORE YOU APPROVE THE BUDGET? I NEED TO REVISE AND SAY AMEND THE CURRENT BUDGET.

YEAH. AMEND THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

AMEND PROPOSED BUDGET.

OKAY. BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THAT NOW.

OKAY. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT, EVAN? YES, SIR. SO I WON'T BE VOTING FOR THIS.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ITEMS IN HERE.

MARKETING SERVICES SOFTWARE.

THAT I THINK ARE. ESSENTIAL TO HAVING A GOOD, FUNCTIONING STAFF THAT UNDERSTANDS WHAT THEY NEED TO DO ON A DAY TO DAY, BUT THEN ALSO BEING ABLE TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL.

AND SO EXPECTING MORE WITH LESS RESOURCES IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M OKAY EMPOWERING THE STAFF TO DO. AND SO THAT BEING SAID I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HAD AND THE RESEARCH THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO THIS, BUT THIS IS JUST SOMETHING I CANNOT GET BEHIND.

ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. ARE WE GOING TO VOTE ON THE ITEM? FIRST WAS THAT WE GOT A VOTE ON THE LINE ITEM FIRST.

AND THEN THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE WRAPPED INTO THE OH WE'RE SAYING I GOTCHA OKAY.

SO OKAY. SO THE FIRST ONE IS IN THE GL TEN.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WE NEED TO DO. YEAH OKAY.

DO YOU REPEAT THE GL TEN.

I'M SORRY, DOTTIE, FOR CLARIFICATION.

HE'S JUST PROPOSING THESE AMENDMENTS.

IT'S NOT THE ACTUAL FULL BUDGET APPROVAL.

SO HIS LINE ITEM CAN BE FOR THE NEXT MEETING WHEN THE BUDGET IS APPROVED.

IS THAT CORRECT? THIS IS IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

THIS. HE HAS TO DISCLOSE IT BEFORE, AND THEN HE'LL DISCLOSE IT AGAIN NEXT TIME.

I THINK WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS, WELL, I'M AMENDING THIS.

THAT HAS IT IN THERE, BUT SHE CAN'T DO SO.

WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT SEPARATELY.

THANK YOU. THAT'S GL TEN DASH 050.

DASH 0016412. THAT'S CORRECT.

POLICE BUDGET SOFTWARE 04620016412.

SO WE'RE JUST APPROVING THAT LINE ITEM RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. IS THAT LIKE A SEPARATE MOTION OR SOMETHING OR.

NO, WE JUST SAID WE WE WOULD TAKE IT OUT FROM WE WOULD SEPARATE IT FROM THE VOTE.

BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT SPECIFIC ITEM,

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THAT SPECIFIC ITEM FIRST.

RIGHT. SO DOES IT HAVE TO BE A MOTION TO DO THAT? I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE WE SAID WE SAID WE'D TAKE IT OUT, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A SEPARATE MOTION BECAUSE WE AGREED TO TAKE IT OUT. RIGHT.

SO WE'RE DOING TWO VOTES RIGHT NOW, ONE TO APPROVE THIS PD SOFTWARE AND THEN AND THEN A SECOND ONE TO APPROVE ALL THE OTHER AMENDMENTS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTION WAS.

IF HE SAYS HE'S AMENDING IT AS PRESENTED WITH THE LIST OF CHANGES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LINE ITEM, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE SEPARATE VOTE.

SEPARATE VOTE ON THE LINE ITEM. BUT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT APPROVING APPROVING.

IT'S IN THE BUDGET. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS APPROVING THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAT HAS THAT LINE ITEM IN THERE, RIGHT.

AND SO IN ORDER TO AMEND THE PROPOSED BUDGET, WHICH INCLUDES THAT LINE ITEM, WE VOTE ON THE LINE ITEM FIRST SO BRIAN CANNOT VOTE. AND THEN THAT'S WRAPPED INTO THE PROPOSAL THAT'S IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

SO HE'S COMPLIED WITH STATE LAW.

GOT IT. SO YES, YOU NEED A MOTION FOR A VOTE.

OKAY. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE LINE ITEM GL 100500016412.

AS PART OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET, AS PART OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET, A SECOND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER KING.

OKAY, DISCUSSION ON THAT.

HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

KING. AYE. MAYOR. SNYDER.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. MAURICE.

THAT WAS SIX, RIGHT? AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON IS GOING TO BE NOT VOTING DUE TO CONFLICT OF INTEREST. AFFIDAVIT ON FILE.

AYE. COUNCIL. I'M SORRY.

THANK YOU.

DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT BEFORE WE VOTE? I DO, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS.

SO THE CHANGES THAT THE MAYOR HAS PROPOSED TO AMEND THE BUDGET AFFECT THE FUND 35 BUDGET, WHICH DOES NOT IMPACT THE TAX RATE OR THE GENERAL FUND.

SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE FUNDS.

ADDITIONALLY, I WOULD REQUEST THAT THE COUNCIL GIVE STAFF AND THE EDC BOARD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE AMENDMENTS IF THERE IS A CERTAIN NUMBER OR PERCENTAGE THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BUDGET REDUCED BY, I WOULD REQUEST THAT STAFF AND OR STAFF IN THE EDC BOARD BE OFFERED THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THOSE SUGGESTED CHANGES, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED FOR CUTS ARE CRITICAL TO HOW WE FUNCTION AS A CORPORATION, BUT ALSO FOR STAFF AND SUPPORTING THEM.

WHEREAS SOME OTHER THINGS THAT MAY BE NEW ADDITIONS TO THE BUDGET THIS YEAR COULD BE CUT INSTEAD. SO THANK YOU.

YOU'RE CORRECT. IT IS 135.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD SPEND IT ANY DIFFERENTLY.

AND THEN KEEP IN MIND WE JUST STARTED THIS PROCESS.

SO THIS COULD SAY UNANIMOUSLY PASS.

AND THEN THE VERY NEXT MOTION COULD BE TO CHANGE SOMETHING.

SO WE'RE VERY WELL AWARE THAT WE CAN AMEND.

AND I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ON ANY ONE OF THESE ITEMS. BUT I THINK THE KEY IS I TOLD THE CITY MANAGER, WE HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT I THINK WE MISUSED, QUITE HONESTLY, AND WE'RE NOT USING IT CORRECTLY. AND THERE'S INFORMATION WE CAN GET FROM OTHER SOURCES. AND A LOT OF THIS, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO HAVE COMMUNITY IMPACT ADS FOR 7500.

500. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HELPS US SELL LAND AT COTTONWOOD OR SELL LAND AT THE MEGA SITE.

AND THEN WE HAVE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS ADS FOR 6600.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HELPS, BECAUSE WE CAN'T LAND THE PEOPLE WE HAVE READY TO COME. THE ADDITIONAL MARKETING SERVICES.

WE LITERALLY HAVE A PERSON WHO'S A MARKETING.

I FORGOT THE NAME, BUT LIKE A MARKETING SPECIALIST.

AND WE'RE ALSO PAYING FOR MARKETING SERVICES ON TOP OF $15,000 IN ADS.

AND SO THERE'S JUST A LOT OF THINGS TO WHERE IT ADDS UP.

YOU AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT PLACER AI.

IT'S A VERY POWERFUL TOOL, BUT IT'S NOT MEANT FOR GOVERNMENTS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT IMPACT MODELS AND ALL THESE THINGS.

WE'RE LOOKING AT IT COMPLETELY WRONG.

AND I KNOW YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, AND THAT'S FINE.

I USE IT EVERY DAY AND IT'S A THERE'S A DIFFERENT USE.

AND FOR $35,000, I DON'T NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY PERSON.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOWED UP AT A FESTIVAL, BECAUSE $35,000, THAT'S A BUSINESS WE COULD LITERALLY GET.

AND SO IF YOU CAN TELL ME A PLACE WHERE AI IS GOING TO GET US THE NEXT BUSINESS, THAT'S FINE. BUT IN THE LAST YEAR, IF I'M BEING COMPLETELY HONEST, ALL THE INFORMATION IT SAYS ABOUT LEAKAGE AND ALL THESE THINGS, IT DIDN'T BRING ANYTHING IN THAT WE'RE NEEDING.

AND SO ALL IT DID WAS TELL US WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW.

YOU CAN GO TO FACEBOOK AND OH, WE NEED A GROCERY STORE. WE DON'T NEED A

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SOFTWARE PROGRAM TO DO THAT.

THE WILCO EDP, THAT'S OFFENSIVE TO THE PEOPLE IN AUSTIN.

WE'RE EVEN PART OF IT.

5000 IS STILL PART OF IT.

BUT OUR THERE'S A LOT OF LEADS THAT COME AT AUSTIN AND IT'S A IT'S A COMPETING ORGANIZATION. AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE DOING I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE DOING CRI AGAIN.

YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT. I DIDN'T LIKE IT BEFORE. WE'VE GONE TWO YEARS IN A ROW AND WE DON'T HAVE A SINGLE KOREAN COMPANY THAT'S CLOSED ON LAND.

AND SO WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOKING, BUT YOU CAN GO DOWN TO JULIO'S AND YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN HERE LOOKING FOR SITES THAT ARE FROM KOREA AND WORK FOR SAMSUNG.

SO WHAT I'M HOPING TO DO WITH THIS IS IF IT PASSES, I'M TRYING TO SEND A MESSAGE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THINGS A WAY THAT I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE. I TOLD THE CITY MANAGER, I DON'T WANT TO SEE PEOPLE GET DONE, BUT BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE COMPETING WITH THE CHAMBER ON THINGS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE HAVING THESE EVENTS. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE MEETING IN DOWNTOWN TO DISCUSS DOWNTOWN WITH THE DEVELOPER THAT DOESN'T OWN LAND DOWNTOWN.

I THINK WE'VE LOST OUR WAY.

AND I KNOW THAT'S CONFUSING TO YOU, BUT THE PERSON THAT'S COMING DOWNTOWN DOES NOT OWN THIS. GOING TO TALK ABOUT DOWNTOWN FOR THE HEART TO HEART OR WHATEVER DOESN'T OWN LAND DOWNTOWN. AND HE'S A DEVELOPER THAT'S TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO GIVE HIM LAND.

FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, NO, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP CLARIFY, TO MAYBE PROVIDE SOME VALUE PROPOSITION OR FURTHER CLARIFICATION ON HOW WE'RE LEVERAGING DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGE YOU'RE TRYING TO SEND. I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S A MORE COLLABORATIVE WAY TO ACHIEVE THE END RESULT.

BEEN COLLABORATING FOR TWO YEARS AND I'M NOT.

I TALKED TO CITY MANAGER REGULARLY.

I SEE US DOING THIS LAST YEAR.

IT WAS WHY ARE WE COMPETING WITH THE WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE? WHY ARE WE DOING THIS AND WHAT DO WE DO? WE HAVE MORE EVENTS AND THEN MORE EVENTS.

AND THEY'RE ASKING ME, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? DO YOU JUST WANT TO JUST BE THE CHAMBER? I'M LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL WE'RE DOING. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE DOING THIS. IT'S THE ONLY WAY I KNOW HOW TO DO IT IS TO YOU TALK AND TALK. AND SO NOW IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE, DO WE WANT TO KEEP COMPETING WITH ALL THE OTHER AGENCIES AND THINGS, OR DO WE WANT TO FOCUS ON PARTICULAR ITEMS? AND THE BEST WAY TO DO IT IS BECAUSE IT'S FUN.

35 THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE MONEY GOES AWAY.

IT MEANS WE COULD START OVER, HAVE A REALLY BIG CONVERSATION, A ROBUST ONE, TO BE COLLABORATIVE AND TO DISCUSS WHAT IS IT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND WHAT DO WE ACTUALLY NEED TO DO IT.

AND SO YOU CAN ADD PLACER AI BACK IN THERE IN OCTOBER BECAUSE THE MONEY'S STILL THERE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY.

IT JUST MEANS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FORCE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION AS OPPOSED TO, YEAH, WE'LL DO THAT AND BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA OR THE NEXT AGENDA. SO THIS IS FORCING THE ISSUE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION.

AND UNLESS I'M WRONG, WE CAN ALWAYS ADD THIS BACK ANYTIME WITH THE BUDGET AMENDMENT AT ANY TIME IN THE YEAR.

BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO FOR ME TO NITPICK ON EVERY SINGLE OTHER ORGANIZATION AND SAY, YOU NEED TO CUT THIS AND CUT THAT AND BE MORE LIKE THIS. AND THEN EDC USES FUND 35 MULTIPLE TRIPS AND GOING TO PLACES AND SEMINARS THAT REALLY. DIE RIGHT NOW.

THEY'RE JUST NOT NEEDED. AND THEY WEREN'T NEEDED LAST YEAR. AND SO ANYWAY.

OKAY. THANKS. DAVID AMSLER, DIRECTOR OF STRATEGIC OPERATIONS.

FOR THE RECORD, JUST FOR POINT OF CLARIFICATION IN THE MOTION, IT SAYS ALL FUNDING RELATED TO STRATEGIC OPERATIONS.

A2 TEAM COMMUNITY AND CULTURE.

IS THAT INCLUDING ANY SOFTWARE, LINE ITEMS OR ANYTHING IN THE TRAINING? THERE'S SOME KIND OF TRAINING LINE. WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO AGAIN, TRYING TO SEND A MESSAGE.

YEAH. I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO DO IT. AND YOU AND I HAVE TALKED. I THINK YOU'RE AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND I CAN'T MAKE YOU BE AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR ROLE.

BUT WE'RE THE ONLY CITY THAT HAS A DEPARTMENT WITH ONE PERSON IN IT WHO HANDLES OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. AND TO ME, THAT JOB GOES SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND SO WHATEVER MONEY.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER VOTE ON THIS.

WHATEVER MONEY GOES TO KEEPING THAT DEPARTMENT THERE.

I'D LIKE TO SEE GO AWAY.

AND YOU STILL HAVE ALL THE SOFTWARE, ALL THE TOOLS, EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO HAVE JUST AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SEND A MESSAGE THAT A ONE MAN DEPARTMENT IS JUST ODD TO ME.

IT'S JUST EXTREMELY ODD.

AND TO ME, IT'S A ROLE IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. IT'S A DIRECTOR THERE, BUT I CAN'T MAKE THAT DECISION. BUT I CAN CUT POTENTIALLY ANY MONEY THAT GOES TO THAT DECISION BECAUSE I THINK YOU DO GREAT WORK.

I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

I JUST TYPE IN SALARIES ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND THERE ARE NO STRATEGIC OPERATION DIRECTORS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS TO COMPARE.

BUT THERE'S OTHER ROLES THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE. AND SO IT'S JUST AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF THIS IS A SURPRISE TO CITY MANAGER BECAUSE I'VE BEEN LIKE, LOOK, I DON'T WANT YOU TO GO.

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I DON'T WANT THE DEMOTION.

I DON'T WANT ANY CUT IN PAY.

I DON'T WANT TO CUT IN DUTIES.

I JUST WANT TO TAKE THIS 17 PERSON ORGANIZATION AND GO TO LIKE 14 OR 15 NEXT YEAR. IT MAYBE GOES TO 12.

AND THEN THAT WAY WE'RE STILL DOING THE SAME WORK, BUT WE'RE NOT HAVING, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU THE WRONG, THE WRONG MESSAGE BECAUSE THIS IS NOTHING.

YOU'RE DOING GREAT WORK. IF YOU WEREN'T, YOU AND I WOULD ARGUE ABOUT IT OR SOMETHING AT THE AT THE PARKING GARAGE DIFFERENTLY.

OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE SOFTWARE.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

AND I WOULD SAY THE SAME THING, SARAH, FOR THE COMMUNITY AND CULTURE. IT'S IF I'M BEING HONEST, A LOT OF PEOPLE MISCONSTRUE WHAT THE COMMUNITY AND CULTURE DEPARTMENT IS CORRECT, AND THEY THINK IT'S A DEI ORGANIZATION.

AND I THINK THE CITY MANAGER HAS A DIFFERENT NAME TO KIND OF CALL IT AND ROLL IT INTO SOMETHING. BUT I THINK IT TAKES AWAY FROM WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.

IF AS SOON AS A PERSON FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT GOES TO A NEIGHBORHOOD, THE FIRST THING THEY SAY IS, OH, YOU SENT A DEI PERSON HERE AND IT'S LIKE, THAT'S NOT IT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT THIS IS.

AND SO I'M LIKE, NAMES KIND OF MATTER.

BUT AGAIN, FOR ME, I TALKED TO EVAN ABOUT THIS A LOT.

IT'S IT'S IT IS ABOUT THE SAME THING.

YOU GUYS ARE DOING GREAT WORK.

YOU DO A LOT OF GREAT THINGS.

AND I THINK THE CITY MANAGER, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SPEAKING OUT OF TURN ABOUT HOW HE'S GOT SOME IDEAS ON HOW TO CHANGE SOME THINGS, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT WHAT THE WHAT THE HOPE IS DEFINITELY SARAH CERVANTES, DIRECTOR OF REAL ESTATE. FOR THE RECORD, I DO WANT TO OFFER THE ABILITY TO CLARIFY HOW THE TRAINING THAT I DO HAVE IN MY BUDGET IS BENEFICIAL TO BOTH ME AND THE CITY.

SO IF I CAN DO THAT IN WRITING TO YOU ALL, IF YOU WANT ME TO DO IT HERE AT THE PODIUM, I WOULD GLADLY DO IT. A LOT OF THE WORK THAT I DO IS LEGAL ESQUE IN NATURE, SPEEDING UP DOCUMENTS, PACKAGING THINGS AND THEN ADDITION.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, MY ROLE HAS BEEN GROWING WITH THE CITY IN TERMS OF SUPERVISING OTHER DEPARTMENTS BENEATH ME.

SO DEFINITELY WANT TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY FOR Y'ALL HOW I USE THAT, WHAT I USE THAT FOR BECAUSE IT'S CONSISTENT AND ONGOING AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I DON'T PLAN ON GOING ANYWHERE. AND I'M REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT ABOUT WHAT I DO. BUT WHEN DOORS START CLOSING FOR ADVANCEMENT, IT MAKES THINGS REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT FOR A LOT OF STAFF WHO HAVE CERTAIN DEGREES, CERTAIN CREDENTIALS AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR GROWTH ELSEWHERE. SO I WOULD LOVE TO PROVIDE THAT CLARITY FOR YOU ALL VIA EMAIL, IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

I'D APPRECIATE IT. YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT, SARAH. I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I HAVE MOST WITH THE WHOLE A2 PROGRAM IS SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID. ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK PHILOSOPHICALLY, I WOULD SAY THE CITY MANAGER DIFFER ON IS I THINK WE'RE A SMALL ENOUGH ORGANIZATION THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE VERY THEY'RE GOING TO IMPROVE IN THEIR POSITION AND BECOME QUALIFIED TO THE POINT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION. DO I STAY WHERE I'M AT WITH NO PLACE TO GO, OR DO I GO TO A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION? BECAUSE THE PROBLEM I'VE HAD OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS IS WE EXPAND THE ORGANIZATION BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE MORE QUALIFIED, AND THAT'S GREAT THAT THEY'RE MORE QUALIFIED.

BUT YOU CAN'T RUN AN ORGANIZATION LIKE THAT TO WHERE PEOPLE GET PROMOTED AND MOVE UP JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE QUALIFICATIONS. AND SO WHILE PEOPLE ARE TRAINED, IT'S LIKE, THAT'S GREAT. BUT I THINK A THING THAT I LIKE TO LOOK AT IS WHEN I DO MY DAY JOB AND I GO ACROSS THE METRO AREA, I RUN AN EX TO CITY EMPLOYEES ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND SOME WERE A PLANNING DIRECTOR, AND NOW THEY'RE AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND SOME WERE AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND NOW THEIR CITY MANAGER. BUT IF THE IF THE THE HOPE IS THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO GROW OUR ORGANIZATIONAL CHART TO TAKE IN PEOPLE'S EDUCATION AND SKILL SET, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THAT, I DON'T THINK. NO, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THERE'S DEFINITELY A CEILING, IF YOU WILL, FOR EVERYBODY ON THE GROWTH CHART. BUT LIKE FOR ME IN MY TRAINING, THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE CONFERENCE, A LOT OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT I WORK IN DAILY ARE LEGAL BASED, SO I SIGN UP FOR THEIR NEWSLETTERS.

A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION IS PERTINENT TO WHAT I DO ON A DAILY BASIS HERE FOR Y'ALL.

THE INTERNATIONAL CITY MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION, THAT WOULD PLAY MORE TO THE THE GROWTH THAT I'M EXPERIENCING IN MY MY ROLE AS A WHOLE.

IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD PREFER HAVING CUT OVER THE TML CONFERENCE BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT IT HAS ON MY MY DAILY WORKLOAD, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A CONTINUING EDUCATION TYPE THING TO HELP KEEP ME SHARP.

SO THAT ANYTHING THAT I DO THE LEGWORK ON AT THIS LEVEL WHICH MOST OF THE DOCUMENTS I WORK ON ARE PROBABLY 5 TO 10 HOURS OF SOLID WORK.

THOSE DOCUMENTS GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN MYSELF AND OTHER PARTIES, AND THEN THEY GET PACKAGED UP FOR LEGAL.

SO THOSE TEN HOURS THAT I'M SPENDING ON THOSE WERE BEING HANDLED BY LEGAL PRIOR TO ME BEING

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HERE. SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE FOR Y'ALL.

IF WE'RE LOOKING AT HOURLY RATES, COST SAVINGS, THE TYPE OF TRAINING THAT I NEED TO BE PROFICIENT AT MY JOB.

BUT LET'S SAY WE LIKE EXACTLY WHAT YOU DO RIGHT NOW.

YOU DON'T NEED MORE TRAINING. DO YOUR SAME JOB, RIGHT? SO ON THE ML SIDE AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE TEXAS LEDGER LEDGE MEETS EVERY TWO YEARS.

SO THERE'S CONSISTENT TML HAS THEIR UPDATES.

THEY HAVE CONFERENCES FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND IT'S ALL IMPACTING MUNICIPAL LAW.

SO THAT ASPECT OF WHAT I DO IS CONSISTENTLY CHANGING.

I NEED TO BE UP TO DATE ON WHAT I'M DOING.

I DO CONTINUING LEGAL EDUCATION BECAUSE MY LAW LICENSE DOES STILL IS STILL VALID.

I PAY FOR ALL THAT ON MY OWN BECAUSE I'M NOT THE CITY ATTORNEY. I DON'T PRACTICE LAW FOR Y'ALL IN THAT SENSE. WE HAVE OUR OWN ATTORNEYS. BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, THERE ARE CERTAIN VERY SPECIALIZED AGENCIES THAT UPDATE THE LAW AS IT RELATES TO MUNICIPALITIES. AND TML IS THAT PRIMARY SOURCE FOR ME AT THIS LEVEL.

SO IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD IN ORDER FOR ME TO RESPONSIBLY DO MY JOB, I WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR IT OUT OF POCKET BECAUSE I WOULD NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE FOR THE CITIZENS OF HUTTO OR FOR YOU AS A BODY TO PUT DOCUMENTS IN FRONT OF YOU, BEING IGNORANT OF CERTAIN THINGS.

BUT I ALSO FEEL LIKE BECAUSE IT IS AN ESSENTIAL PART OF MY JOB, THAT THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S INCLUDED IN IN MY TRAINING BUDGET.

I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP. AND I THINK THAT'S THE DANGER THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO WHEN WE'RE JUST KIND OF LIKE.

MEDDLING IN THINGS WE DON'T UNDERSTAND AND TRYING TO CUT NICKELS AND DIMES HERE.

AND WE DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE FULL AND TRUE IMPACT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING TO YOU AS EMPLOYEES. I THINK THAT'S WHY I'VE KIND OF RESISTED THIS, THIS ASPECT OF, OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE FULL IMPACT IS GOING TO BE OF THIS IF THIS PASSES. MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T THE FINAL, FINAL VOTE. AND MAYBE IF STAFF WANTS TO TRY TO EDUCATE MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL AND TO REALLY HELP MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL WHO ARE WILLING TO LISTEN EDUCATE US, TO HELP US UNDERSTAND, HEY, IF I DON'T HAVE THIS PIECE OF SOFTWARE, THIS IS HOW IT IMPACTS MY JOB.

THIS IS HOW IT WILL IMPACT THE CITY.

THIS IS HOW IT WILL IMPACT THE CITIZENS.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE VALUABLE INFORMATION.

SO I THINK AFTER TONIGHT, HOPEFULLY THAT'S THE MESSAGE THE STAFF IS HEARING IS IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN HERE THAT'S BEING CUT THAT YOU DESPERATELY NEED AND THAT YOU FEEL LIKE IS JUSTIFIED, PLEASE LET US KNOW AS A COUNCIL.

SEND IT UP THROUGH JAMES AND HE CAN GIVE IT TO ALL SEVEN OF US, AND WE CAN MAYBE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF OF WHAT THIS MEANS.

I APPRECIATE THAT. ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU. AND I AGREE WITH THAT SENTIMENT.

ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

THOMPSON. NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER.

PORTERFIELD. AYE. MAYOR.

SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

GORDON. NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER.

KING. NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER.

MORRIS. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM.

THORNTON. AYE. MOTION PASSES FOUR THREE.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE BUDGET.

I BELIEVE THE INCREASE IN EMPLOYEE PREMIUMS IS AROUND 130,000.

I'D LIKE TO AMEND THE BUDGET TO ADD IN $65,000 TOWARDS THE EMPLOYEE BENEFITS TO LOWER THAT. SO A 50%, BASICALLY 50%.

YEAH. OKAY. SECOND. HOW MUCH ARE YOU ADDING? 65. 65. YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? IT WAS A SECOND. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

PORTERFIELD. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

KING. AYE. MAYOR. SNYDER.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. NORRIS.

A COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON A.

ANY OTHER MOTIONS? ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE DONE ON THIS STUDY.

OR DO WE NEED TO DO ANY OTHER ACTION? NO, I THINK YOU'RE FINE.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM. ITEM 12 TWO.

[12.2. Consideration and Possible Action on Reallocation of Unused July 4th Fireworks Display. (Jeff White)]

CONSIDERATION. POSSIBLE ACTION ON REALLOCATION OF UNUSED JULY 4TH FIREWORKS DISPLAY. GOOD EVENING.

MAYOR. COUNCIL. JEFF WHITE, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU IS TO CONSIDER A COUPLE OPTIONS FOR REUSING OUR CREDITS FOR THE

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FIREWORKS. SO, AS YOU RECALL, WE WERE RAINED OUT FOR JULY 4TH.

THE VENDOR HAS ASKED THAT WE USE THIS CREDIT THIS CALENDAR YEAR.

SO WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE CAME UP WITH.

THIS HAS PREVIOUSLY HAPPENED BEFORE TO US BEFORE A FEW YEARS AGO WHERE WE REPURPOSED IT FOR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.

I BELIEVE IT WAS 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO, IF I RECALL.

WE DID THE SAME THING AND IT WAS A REPURPOSED NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. CAN I CAN I ASK? YOU SAID THEY REQUESTED THAT WE USE IT THIS YEAR.

ARE WE REQUIRED TO USE IT THIS YEAR? I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE THE CONTRACT LEGALLY, BUT THEY REALLY REQUESTED THAT WE USE IT THIS YEAR.

WELL, I HONESTLY DON'T CARE WHAT THEY REQUESTED.

I CARE WHAT THE CONTRACT SAYS.

I'LL HAVE TO GET YOU A CLARIFICATION ON THAT. YEAH. IS THAT SOMETHING WE GET NOW? BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO WANT US TO VOTE ON THIS, RIGHT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WHAT THE CONTRACT SAYS.

SECOND. SECOND. MOTION BY COUNCILOR FRED THOMPSON, SECONDED BY. AND JEFF, I KNOW YOU HAD SOMETHING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON.

LIKE I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE CONTRACT SAYS.

I GET WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.

THAT'S A GREAT RECOMMENDATION. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE CONTRACT SAYS. NO, THAT'S THAT'S TOTALLY ON ME. I SHOULD HAVE HAD THAT INFORMATION PREPARED AND NO FAULT OF YOURS.

BUT SAME TIME, I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT.

AND IT WOULD BE MAYBE CONTRACTUALLY.

WE LOST TO FIREWORKS LAST YEAR.

RIGHT? TO RAIN? NO. IN THE WRONG YEAR? NO, JUST THIS YEAR. OKAY.

I WAS GONNA SAY MAYBE IN OUR CONTRACTS, WE JUST HAVE A BACKUP.

LIKE, GOING FORWARD. IF IT'S NOT THIS, THEN IT'S THIS.

AND THEN THAT WAY WE JUST HAVE A BACKUP.

YEAH. WE HAD WE HAD A RAIN OUT DAY FOR JULY THE NEXT DAY, BUT THE RAIN WAS STILL IN THE AREA AND IT WAS STILL UNABLE TO DO THAT.

SO WE DID HAVE RAIN THAT DAY FOR THE NEXT SCHEDULED DAY. ALL RIGHT. SO MOTIONS TO TABLE UNTIL WE CAN GET THE LANGUAGE FROM THE CONTRACT.

SO PROBABLY NEXT MEETING.

I FEEL CONFIDENT WE CAN GET THAT.

SO SEPTEMBER 4TH MEETING, SEPTEMBER 4TH.

ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

THERE WAS A FLURRY OF SECONDS. WHO GOT IT? OH. PORTERFIELD WON THAT ONE.

THAT. SURE? YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBER KING.

I MAYOR PRO TEM. THORNTON.

COUNCIL MEMBER. MORRIS.