* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] ALL [1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER] RIGHT. SEVEN O'CLOCK. WE'LL CALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2025 TO ORDER START WITH ROLL CALL COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. PRESENT. COUNCILMAN MORRIS. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. HERE. COUNCILMAN PORTERFIELD HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING HERE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. HERE. MAYOR SENATORS HERE NEXT, IF YOU RISE FOR INVOCATION, WILL BE LED TONIGHT BY BOBBY PRUITT OF HUDDLE BIBLE CHURCH. LET'S PRAY TOGETHER. FATHER, WE AGREE WITH YOUR WORD. LORD, WE LOVE YOU BECAUSE YOU HEAR OUR VOICE AND OUR SUPPLICATION BECAUSE YOU HAVE INCLINED YOUR EAR TO US, LORD, WE'LL CALL UPON YOU ALL THE DAYS OF OUR LIFE. LORD, WE THANK YOU THAT IN A ROOM PACKED WITH PEOPLE, YOU KNOW EVERY HEART, YOU KNOW, EVERY MIND, YOU KNOW THE EXPERIENCE OF EVERY PERSON HERE. YOU KNOW OUR DESIRES, YOU KNOW OUR FEARS, OUR CONCERNS. UH, LORD, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE WORRYING ABOUT, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO EAT AFTER THIS MEETING, LORD, YOU KNOW IT ALL. AND, UH, WE THANK YOU THAT YOU CARE FOR US. AND GOD, WE PRAY TONIGHT THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THESE PROCEEDINGS, THAT YOU WOULD GRANT WISDOM TO THE CITY COUNCIL. I THANK YOU FOR THESE MEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVE US SO FAITHFULLY. GOD, I PRAY YOU WOULD GRANT THEM WISDOM, UH, CLARITY IN THEIR DECISIONS, UH, GRACE AS THEY INTERACT WITH, UH, THE CITIZENS HERE. AND LORD, THAT WE WOULD IN TURN SHOW THEM GRACE. UH, BLESS THEM. WE PRAY THEIR FAMILIES, UH, THEIR MARRIAGES AND OUR CITY THROUGH CHRIST OUR LORD. AMEN. AMEN. AMEN. SO PLEASE JOIN ME IN A PLEDGE. I PLEDGE, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD. ONE AN INDIVISIBLE. [5.1. Hunger Action Month (DEIB Commission)] COME ME UP FRONT. WE HAVE SOME PROCLAMATIONS. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. SURE, SURE. YOU KNOW, FIRST UP THE HUNGER ACTION MONTH, AND COUNCILOR THORNTON HAS BEEN, UH, GOING THROUGH SOME L LIKE THINGS, AND HE'S BACK THERE FOR THE LEG POPPED UP. SO THIS A HUNGER ACTION MONTH PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS HUNGER ACTION MONTH OBSERVED NATIONALLY EACH SEPTEMBER AND LED BY FEEDING AMERICA ENCOURAGES AMERICANS TO MOVE BEYOND AWARENESS AND TAKE MEASURABLE STEPS THROUGH EFFICACY, VOLUNTEERING AND SUPPORT TO HUNGER AND THEIR COMMUNITIES. AND WHEREAS IN 2022 AND 2023, OVER 12.8% OF US HOUSEHOLDS IMPACTING APPROXIMATELY 47 MILLION PEOPLE EXPERIENCE FOOD INSECURITY, INCLUDING ONE IN NINE WORKING AGE VETERANS, 12.6 MILLION SENIOR CITIZENS OVER THE AGE OF 50 AND NEARLY 14 MILLION CHILDREN. AND WHEREAS THE NATIONAL EFFORT TO COMBAT HUNGER GAINED MOMENTUM IN 1964 WHEN PRESIDENT LYNDON B JOHNSON DECLARED AN UNCONDITIONAL WAR ON POVERTY IN SIGNING THE LAW OF THE FOOD STAMP ACT, PERMANENTLY ESTABLISHING SNAP AND EXPANDING ACCESS TO FOOD ASSISTANCE. AND WHEREAS TEXAS HAS ONE OF THE LARGEST SNAP POPULATIONS IN THE COUNTRY WITH ABOUT 1.6 MILLION HOUSEHOLDS RECEIVING BENEFITS AS OF JUNE, 2025, THAT TRANSLATES TO ROUGHLY 3.5 TO 4 MILLION INDIVIDUALS DEPENDING ON HOUSEHOLD SIZE. AND IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY, ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, MAY, 2025 REPORT, THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 24,000 SNAP RECIPIENTS, WHICH IS ABOUT 6.5% OF THE COUNTY'S POPULATION. THAT'S A BIT LOWER THAN THE STATE AVERAGE, BUT STILL A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF FAMILIES RELYING ON ASSISTANCE. AND WHEREAS HU SPECIFIC DATA ISN'T PUBLISHED SEPARATELY. BUT WITH THE 2025 ESTIMATED POPULATION OF AROUND 45,887 PEOPLE IN USING WILLIAMSON COUNTY 6.5% RATE, IT SUGGESTS ROUGHLY 2,753 RESIDENTS IN HU MAY BE RECEIVING SNAP BENEFITS. AND WHEREAS BEYOND SNAP, WHICH IS CURRENTLY IN SCRUTINY BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND 2025, TEXAS FOOD BANKS DISTRIBUTED OVER 400 MILLION POUNDS OF FOOD IN RESPONSE TO THIS GROWING NEED, THE CENTRAL TEXAS FOOD BANK ALONE SERVED MORE THAN 63,700 INDIVIDUALS IN [00:05:01] WILLIAMSON COUNTY THROUGH PANTRIES AND MOBILE DISTRIBUTIONS, INCLUDING HUNDREDS OF HOUSEHOLDS IN HUDA, SUPPORTED BY A HU RESOURCE CENTER. AND WHEREAS ADDRESSING HUNGER IN 2025 DEPENDS MORE THAN AWARENESS OR DEMANDS. MORE THAN AWARENESS, IT REQUIRES SUSTAINED ACTION. FEEDING IN AMERICA ENCOURAGES CITIZENS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY BY ONE, VOLUNTEERING AT LOCAL FOOD BANKS OR PANTRIES, INCLUDING THE WHOLE RESOURCE CENTER. TWO, DONATING MONEY OR SHELF STABLE FOOD ITEMS TO SUPPORT ONGOING HUNGER RELIEF. THREE, ADVOCATING FOR POLICIES THAT EXPAND ACCESS TO NUTRITION PROGRAMS LIKE SNAP AND SCHOOL MEALS. FOUR, SUPPORTING LOCAL AGRICULTURE BY PURCHASING FROM FARMER'S MARKETS OR COMMUNITY SUPPORTING AGRICULTURAL PROGRAMS. FIVE, REDUCING FOOD WASTE AT HOME AND LOCAL BUSINESSES. SIX, EDUCATING THEMSELVES AND OTHERS ABOUT THE ROOT CAUSES OF HUNGER AND FOOD INSECURITY. SEVEN, HOSTING FOOD DRIVES OR COMMUNITY MEAL EVENTS TO SUPPORT THOSE IN NEED IN EIGHT, PARTNERING WITH SCHOOLS TO ENSURE CHILDREN HAVE YEAR ROUND ACCESS TO NUTRITIOUS MEALS. NOW, THEREFORE, WE, THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF HU DO HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER, 2025 AS HUNGER ACTION MONTH AND ENCOURAGE ALL HUDDLE RESIDENTS TO TAKE MEANINGFUL STEPS INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY TO REDUCE FOOD INSECURITY AND ENSURE THAT EVERY NEIGHBOR HAS CONSISTENT ACCESS TO NOURISHMENT AND DIGNITY THAT THEY DESERVE THIS. MR. KNIGHT, WE HAVE OUR NEW DIRECTOR OF THE HU RESOURCE CENTER. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. UM, I JUST WANNA THANK THE CITY OF HU FOR, UH, THAT WAS PROCLAMATION AND RECOGNIZING SEPTEMBER IS HUNGER ACTION MONTH. I LIKE THE WORD ACTION INSTEAD OF AWARENESS. 'CAUSE ANOTHER, WE'RE ALL AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS FOOD INSECURITY, BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF US TAKING ACTION AS A COMMUNITY. UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE FOR VERY LONG, I JUST MOVED HERE FROM NEW YORK, ALTHOUGH I AM A NATIVE TEXAN, SO DON'T LET THAT CLOUD YOUR, UM, BUT THE ONE SMALL THING THAT I'VE LEARNED SO FAR IS, UH, IN THE LAST MONTH WE DID SERVE 100 NEW HOUSEHOLDS, WHICH, UH, INCLUDED 388 PEOPLE IN THIS HOUSEHOLD. SO THERE, THERE IS A, THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON HERE, AND I'M SO GRATEFUL TO ALL OF, ALL OF YOU GUYS, UH, FOR, UH, HELPING THE FEDERAL RESOURCE CENTER BE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY, . THANKS. SORRY. THANK YOU. I WANTED TO, UH, INTRODUCE MYSELF. I'M SAM SMITH WITH THE UNITED WAY FOR GREATER AUSTIN. I WORK ON A, UM, FOOD FOR EVERY TABLE INITIATIVE. AND, UH, WE WORK WITH THE HEAD OF RESOURCE CENTER. I'M JUST GETTING TO KNOW, UH, ARE YOU EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR? BUT I WORK THROUGHOUT WILLIAMSON COUNTY. AND, UM, THE SAME THING THAT SHE JUST TALKED ABOUT IS THE SAME THING THAT'S HAPPENING ALL THROUGHOUT WILLIAMSON COUNTY. AND I'M REALLY THANKFUL THAT HEATHER IS ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THERE ARE ISSUES WITH FOOD INSECURITY AND RECOVER. SOMETIMES IT'S EVEN OUR NEIGHBORS THAT WE DON'T REALIZE ARE GOING THROUGH THE STRUGGLES OF WITH FOOD AND, UH, WITH FINANCES. SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THIS. YOU GUYS WILL SQUEEZE TOGETHER JUST A LITTLE BIT, PLEASE. OKAY, THANK YOU, MAYOR. WE DID HAVE ONE COMMENT, SORRY. I'M CATHERINE JOHNSON. I'M HERE REPRESENTING A WEEKEND LUNCHBOX PROGRAM. YOU KNOW, WE, UH, A GROUP PEOPLE, IT'S BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY FOR SEVERAL YEARS, BUT WE JUST STARTED THE RESPONSIBILITY ABOUT A YEAR AGO. WE GET TOGETHER, WE BUY THE FOOD, WE PACK THE BAGS, AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DELIVERS 'EM TO THOSE STUDENTS WHO MIGHT OTHERWISE DO NOT HAVE FOOD THAT WEEKEND BECAUSE THEY'RE FOOD . THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT UP WE HAVE [5.2. Hispanic Heritage Month (DEIB Commission)] HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH. EVERYBODY THAT CAME TO CELEBRATE THAT WITH US, GO AHEAD AND COME ON UP AND MAKE ROOM. GOTTA BIT UP FRONT. NO, COME ON. NO, WE'LL STAND RIGHT HERE. , SHE KIND OF HIDE IT'S ME. IT'S, IT'S, [00:10:01] IT'S, IT'S NOT ME. ALRIGHT. THIS IS HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH IS OBSERVED EACH YEAR FROM SEPTEMBER 15TH TO OCTOBER 15TH TO RECOGNIZE THE HISTORIES, CULTURES, AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF AMERICAN CITIZENS WHOSE ANCESTORS CAME FROM SPAIN, MEXICO, THE CARIBBEAN, AND CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA. AND WHEREAS ACCORDING TO THE US CENSUS BUREAU, APPROXIMATELY 33.7% OF HU'S POPULATION IDENTIFIES AS HISPANIC OR LATINO, MAKING THEM THE SECOND LARGEST ETHNIC GROUP IN THE CITY. AND WHEREAS THE HISPANIC AND LATINO COMMUNITIES OF HU HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS IN EVERY SECTOR FROM CIVIC LEADERSHIP AND BUSINESS OWNERSHIP TO EDUCATION, THE ARTS AND PUBLIC SERVICE IN STRENGTHENING THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC FABRIC OF THE CITY. AND WHEREAS HISPANIC AND LATINO LEADERS HAVE SERVED THE CITY OF HU AND ELECTED AND APPOINTED POSITIONS AS EDUCATORS IN OUR SCHOOLS, AS LOCAL ENTREPRENEURS AND AS CHAMPIONS FOR EQUITY AND OPPORTUNITY. AND WHEREAS THE HISPANIC ORGANIZATION FROM LATINO ADVOCACY IS A NEW EMERGING COMMUNITY GROUP OF NEIGHBORS WHO GATHER TO DEDICATE TIME, THOUGHT, AND CARE TO CIVIC ENGAGEMENT, CULTURAL CELEBRATIONS AND ADVOCACY. HE'S PROUD HUDU, HISPANICS, AND LATINOS WORK TO BUILD VISIBILITY, PROMOTE REPRESENTATION AND FOSTER LEADERSHIP AMONG THE UNDERREPRESENTED, HISPANIC AND LATINO RESIDENTS OF HUDU. AND WHEREAS HISPANIC HERITAGE AND HUDU IS REFLECTED IN THE DEDICATION TO FAMILY, STRONG WORK ETHIC, ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT, AND CULTURAL VIBRANCY THAT ENRICHES COMMUNITY LIFE FROM FOOD AND MUSIC TO TRADITIONS AND FESTIVALS. AND WHEREAS CELEBRATING HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH IN HU OFFERS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL RESIDENTS TO HONOR THE PAST, CELEBRATE THE PRESENT, AND INSPIRE FUTURE GENERATIONS OF LEADERS WHO WILL CONTINUE TO SHAPE THE CITY'S GROWTH AND SUCCESS. AND NOW, THEREFORE, WE, THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF HU DO HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2025 TO OCTOBER 15TH, 2025 AS HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH, AND ENCOURAGE ALL HUDDLE RESIDENTS TO JOIN IN RECOGNIZING THE MANY CONTRIBUTIONS OF HISPANIC AND LATINO AMERICANS TO OUR CITY, AND TO PARTICIPATE IN PROGRAMS, EVENTS, AND ACTIVITIES THAT CELEBRATE THE RICH CULTURAL HERITAGE OF OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. UM, MAYOR STEIN, THANK TO THE COMMUNITY OF HURO. I'M, I'M HERE AND I'M CELEBRATING AS THE, RIGHT NOW THE CITY CHAIR COMMISSIONER FOR THE DIVERSITY EQUITY INCLUSION AND BELONGING COMMISSION. AND SO I WANNA EXTEND MY GRATITUDE TO OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY FOR THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO BE INCLUSIVE AND AWARE OF THINGS THAT OUR NEIGHBORS NEED, WHO'S HERE. AND NOW I'M GONNA KICK IT OVER. HAVE A COUPLE OF STATEMENTS FROM DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF OUR COMMUNITY, INCLUDING OUR YOUTH VOICE, OUR BUSINESS OWNERS, AND OUR COMMUNITY LEADERS. BUENO, UM, BUENO, . UM, I AM VERY PROUD TO BE LATINA BECAUSE OF OUR MEXICAN CULTURE AND VERY GOOD FOOD. UM, I, I'M . GOOD EVENING. I'M FELIX CHAZ. NOT ONLY DO I SERVE AS, UH, THE PRESIDENT OF THE HUDDLE RESOURCE CENTER WITH SANDY HERE, BUT I ALSO SERVE AS A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER HERE IN THIS TOWN. UH, MY FAMILY AND I HAVE BEEN HERE 25 YEARS, AND WE'VE SEEN THIS TOWN GROW TREMENDOUSLY. UM, I LACK, AND I, I JOKE QUITE A BIT WHEN I SAY THAT. IN 1997, I DROVE THROUGH HERE AND SAID, WHO WOULD LIVE THIS IN? WHO WOULD LIVE IN THIS LITTLE RINKY DINKY TOWN WITH THREE GRAIN SILOS AND BLINKING LIGHT? WELL, THREE YEARS LATER, MY WIFE WAS STANDING BACK THERE AND I WERE GETTING MARRIED, AND WE NEEDED TO FIND A HOUSE IN, WE COULD AFFORD A HOUSE. SO HERE WE ARE 25 YEARS LATER. UH, BUT THANK YOU FOR, FOR, UH, UH, THE PROCLAMATION AND FOR RECOGNIZING THE GROWTH OF LATINOS. WE NOW MAKE ABOUT 40% OF THE POPULATION HERE IN THIS TOWN. SO WE CONTINUE TO GROW AND WE CONTINUE TO WANT TO BE INVOLVED AND MAKE THIS TOWN A BETTER TOWN. THANK YOU. HEY, EVERYONE. MY NAME'S JOSEPH CORTES. GOT A COUPLE BUSINESSES HERE IN RO, BUT JUST MAKING A STATEMENT ABOUT TODAY. SO WHEN I STARTED THIS, [00:16:05] IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL AUDIENCE MEMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF THE PHOTO, Y'ALL CAN COME ON MIND. TIM AND LAKE, THAT FOR THE FIRST SURE. WE'VE GOT ONE ON THIS SIDE TOO, SO GO ON THE RIGHT SIDE. WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT, JIM. DON'T WORRY. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. I'M NOT WORRY ABOUT IT. NO. HOLD IT. . IF Y'ALL COULD FACE THIS WAY, IT'S ACTUALLY EASIER TO GET THE WHOLE GROUP FROM THIS ANGLE. I APOLOGIZE. . YEAH, YOU GET TO BE FRONT NOW. READY FOR THIS? THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. . I GOTTA GET OUT THERE. WE HAVE ONE MORE REALLY IMPORTANT PROCLAMATION. LIBRARY SIDE ON THAT. LIBRARY. PEOPLE. WE'RE COMING WITH ALL WE GOT ONE [5.3. National Library Card Sign-Up Month (Kristin Phillips)] MORE BOOKS. YES. WHAT DOES YOUR THING SAY? THIS IS INTERFERING WITH MY READING TIME. THIS IS A LIBRARY CARD, SIMON PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS LIBRARIES AND LIBRARIANS PLAY A CRUCIAL ROLE IN THE EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT OF CHILDREN. AND WHEREAS LIBRARIANS AND LITERACY EXPERTS OFFERING EVERYTHING FROM PRESCHOOL STORY HOURS TO SUMMERTIME READING CLUBS THAT SUSTAIN SCHOOL YEAR LEARNING. AND WHEREAS LIBRARIES PROVIDE A LEARNING ENVIRONMENT THAT FOSTERS JOYFUL EXPLORATION, ENCOURAGING STUDENTS TO RESEARCH SUBJECTS THAT THEY ARE GENUINELY, UH, CURIOUS ABOUT. AND WHEREAS LIBRARIANS CREATE WELCOMING AND INCLUSIVE SPACES FOR PEOPLE OF ALL BACKGROUNDS TO LEARN TOGETHER AND ENGAGE WITH ONE ANOTHER. AND WHEREAS LIBRARIANS PROVIDE A VARIETY OF BOOKS AND RESOURCES TO SERVE EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY, MAKING KNOWLEDGE AND IDEAS AVAILABLE SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE WHAT TO READ. AND WHEREAS A LIBRARY CARD EMPOWERS ALL PEOPLE TO PURSUE THEIR DREAMS, EXPLORE NEW PASSIONS AND INTERESTS, AND FIND THEIR VOICE. AND WHEREAS LIBRARIES ARE COMMUNITY HUBS PROVIDING SPACE FOR CONNECTION AND LEARNING, AND LIBRARY WORKERS ARE MATCHMAKERS OF RESOURCES FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS LIBRARIES ARE CONSTANTLY TRANSFORMING TO DELIVER NEW SERVICES THAT CONNECT CLOSELY WITH COMMUNITY NEEDS. AND NOW THAT FORWARD, WE, THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF HU DO HEREBY, UH, PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER, 2025 AS LIBRARY CARDS, SIGN UP MONTH AND ENCOURAGE ALL THE RESIDENTS TO SIGN UP FOR ONE OF THEIR OWN LIBRARY CARDS TODAY. COUNCILOR MAYOR . GOT HIS ALREADY UP. YAY. AWESOME. I'M KRISTEN PHILLIPS. I'M THE LIBRARY DIRECTOR. WE'RE SO EXCITED TO BE HERE TONIGHT AND WANT TO THANK, UH, COUNCIL FOR, UM, HONORING NOT JUST OUR PROCLAMATION, BUT THESE OTHER WONDERFUL PROCLAMATIONS AS WELL. UM, SEPTEMBER AND THE LIBRARY IS SORT OF THE AFTER PARTY [00:20:01] OF THE SUMMER READING PROGRAM, RIGHT? UH, WE ARE TRYING TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE WITH LIBRARY CARDS AS WE CAN. WE'VE REMOVED SO MANY BARRIERS, UM, TO GETTING A LIBRARY CARD. AND WE WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT IF YOU ARE A HU RESIDENT, IF YOU ARE A HU ISD STUDENT OR FACULTY, IF YOU ARE A U CHECK FACULTY OR STUDENT, YOU CAN GET A FREE LIBRARY CARD EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN HU. SO WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU SIGN UP FOR ONE. A LIBRARY CARD IS ONE OF THE MOST VALUABLE CARDS THAT YOU CAN CARRY. I REMEMBER I GOT MINE WHEN I WAS FOUR YEARS OLD. IT OPENS THE DOOR TO LIFELONG LEARNING, ENTERTAINMENT AND CONNECTION. FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT BEFORE THIS COUNCIL MEETING, WE HAD, UM, AN EVENT CALLED, UM, BRUSH AND BOND. AND WE HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF DADS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THEIR LITTLE GIRLS COME AND DO HAIR TUTORIALS. AND SO THE DADS WERE GAINING CONFIDENCE IN DOING THEIR LITTLE GIRLS HAIR. AND SO THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE PROVIDE CONNECTION IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND JUST SINCE TUESDAY, WE HAVE HAD ALMOST 30 NEW LIBRARY ACCOUNTS OPEN. SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. WITH A LIBRARY CARD, YOU DON'T JUST GET ACCESS TO BOOKS. YOU CAN ALSO EXPLORE EBOOKS, AUDIO BOOKS, RESEARCH DATABASES, STREAMING SERVICES. YOU CAN LEARN NEW LANGUAGES AND SO MUCH MORE. I ENCOURAGE, ENCOURAGE EVERYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY TO SIGN UP FOR A LIBRARY CARD THIS MONTH AND TO INVITE YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR FAMILY, YOUR COMMUNITIES TO ALSO DO THE SAME. I EVEN PUT A SIGN UP THERE ON THAT BACK DOOR WITH THE QR CODE THAT YOU CAN SCAN, YOU CAN SIGN, UH, FILL OUT YOUR APPLICATION ONLINE, AND THEN COME SEE US IN THE LIBRARY WHEN WE OPEN. WE'RE OPEN FROM 10 TO FIVE TOMORROW. UM, AND YOU'LL GET YOUR LIBRARY CARD ALONG WITH THIS WONDERFUL CANVAS BAG, LITTLE BOOK BAG, AND THERE'S SOME OTHER GOODIES THAT ARE INSIDE. UH, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO INVITE EVERYONE TO A FREE SCREENING AT HOOKY ENTERTAINMENT ON SEPTEMBER 24TH AT SIX 30 OF THE PBS DOCUMENTARY CALLED FREE FOR ALL PUBLIC LIBRARY, WHICH TELLS THE STORY OF THE HISTORY OF PUBLIC LIBRARIES AND HOW THEY SERVE THEIR COMMUNITIES. EACH ATTENDING WILL ALSO RECEIVE A FREE POPCORN. SO WE ASK YOU TO GRAB YOUR TICKETS AND JOIN US AT THAT MOVIE. AND WE ASK YOU TO OPEN YOUR LIBRARY, UH, CARD ACCOUNT THIS MONTH. THANK YOU. MAKE A PLUG FOR THE, UH, FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY. THERE'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE WHO WANNA SUPPORT THE LIBRARY TO GET A, THE LIBRARY MEMBERSHIP. IT'S A YEARLY DEAL, AND I THINK THE, THE BOTTOM LEVEL IS $10 RIGHT NOW. YES. AND SO IT'S NOT MUCH, DOESN'T COST MUCH TO SAY I STAND WITH THE LIBRARY AND WE DO WANT IMPROVEMENTS. AND SO WE'RE STARTING TO FUNDRAISE, UH, TO HELP OFFSET PART OF THE COST OF THE LIBRARY. SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES ON THAT, I THINK YOU CAN FIND OUT ON THE WEBSITE AS WELL. YES. CAN I SAY ONE MORE? OH, YES, MA'AM. I KNOW I, I ALWAYS TALK TOO MUCH. I DO WANNA THANK, UM, OUR LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND OUR OTHER SUPPORTERS AND LIBRARY STAFF AND FROM OUR TEEN ADVISORY BOARD AS WELL. IT REALLY DOES, UM, MEAN COMMUNITY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIBRARY. SO THE SUPPORT IS, IS FANTASTIC. WE LOVE IT. THANK YOU. GOOD JOB, KRISTEN. DON'T I DO? NO. ALL RIGHT. SO MAYOR AND I, [6. CITY MANAGER COMMENTS ] UH, DISCUSSED AND RATHER THAN WAITING FOR HIM TO SIT DOWN TO THEN TELL ME THAT IT'S OKAY TO TALK. I'M JUST GONNA TALK WHILE Y'ALL TAKE SEATS. AND, UH, TONIGHT THERE'S, WE ALSO HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE IN THE CITY MANAGER COMMENT. SO RATHER THAN GOING THROUGH ALL OF THE EVENT ANNOUNCEMENTS, UH, THERE WERE, THERE WAS A SLIDESHOW BEFOREHAND THAT KIND OF SENT YOU TO THOSE EVENTS. AND THERE ALSO WILL BE A QR CODE, UM, AFTER THE EMPLOYEES ARE INTRODUCED TO THAT YOU CAN USE TO GO TO OUR EVENTS FOR THE MONTH. AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON IN THE CITY, SO YOU WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT. BUT TONIGHT, UH, IS THE FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, CALL UP AND INTRODUCE OUR TWO NEW EMPLOYEES WHO JOINED, UH, THE CITY TO INTRODUCE THEM TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE PUBLIC. UH, SO FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UH, SHAHAN ANA. SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR, UH, JOINING ME AND WELCOMING HER TO TEAM HUDU. UH, SHAHAN IS JOINING US AS AN ASSOCIATE ENGINEER, UH, WITH A BACKGROUND [00:25:01] IN TRANSPORTATION AND CIVIL ENGINEERING AND A MASTER'S DEGREE IN TRANSPORTATION. SHE BRINGS SEVEN YEARS OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING EXPERIENCE TO THE CITY OF HUDU. PREVIOUSLY WORKING FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN. SHE LOOKS FORWARD TO CONTRIBUTING TO THE COMMUNITY AND SUPPORTING THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ACROSS HUDU. GO AHEAD AND STAY UP THERE. SHAHAN. YEAH, GO AHEAD AND STAY UP THERE. I'M GONNA CALL UP THE SECOND ONE. UH, UH, WEL, UH, JOIN ME IN WELCOMING, UH, TO TEAM HURO, UH, DORIAN KRIEGER. DORIAN IS JOINING TEAM HURO AS A UTILITY TECHNICIAN. PREVIOUSLY, HE WORKED FOR THE CITY OF PFLUGERVILLE AND HAS A BACKGROUND IN WATER UTILITY, CURRENTLY RESIDING IN AUSTIN. DORIAN ENJOYS MOTORCYCLING AND CAMPING IN HIS FREE TIME. AND AN INTERESTING FACT ABOUT HIM IS HE USED TO KEEP BEES ON HIS FAMILY FARM. SO, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THESE ARE OUR NEW EMPLOYEES AND, UH, PUBLIC, UH, JUST WELCOME THEM AND LET THEM KNOW THAT WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE THEM HERE. AND, UH, THANK YOU TWO FOR BEING HERE AND YOUR FAMILIES, IF THEY CAME TO NOT TO SUPPORT YOU. SO WE'LL ACTUALLY GO BEHIND THIS. OKAY? OH, YEAH. LEC, TURN RIGHT HERE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK Y'ALL. THANK YOU GUYS. YEP. I STILL DO. ALRIGHT, NEXT WE [7. PUBLIC COMMENT ] HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THE LIGHT WILL START WITH GREEN. WHEN THERE'S 30 SECONDS LEFT, IT'LL GO TO YELLOW, AND THEN WHEN THE TIME'S UP, IT'LL GO TO RED. FIRST UP, WE HAVE KRISTEN KENNEDY. OH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND EVERYBODY THAT CAME OUT TONIGHT. MY NAME IS KRISTEN KENNEDY. I'M A RESIDENT HERE IN HATO, AND TODAY I AM HERE TO URGE YOU TO RECONSIDER THE CITY'S DECISION TO INSTALL, TO INSTALL THE FLOCK CA UH, LICENSE PLATE CAMERAS. MY PRIMARY CONCERN WITH THESE CAMERAS IS NOT, IS NOT THAT THEY ARE JUST TOOLS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT THAT THEY ARE A SYSTEM OF CONSTANT SURVEILLANCE. THEY CREATE A PERMANENT RECORD WHERE EVERY HU SIT, EVERY, EXCUSE ME, A PERMANENT RECORD WHERE EVERY HU RESIDENT GOES, GOES HANDLING DA, HANDING DATA OVER TO A PRIVATE COMPANY. THE DATA IS COLLECTED NOT JUST ABOUT CRIMINALS, BUT ABOUT EVERYONE HERE IN HUDU. THIS INFORMATION IS VULNERABLE TO MISUSE BY THIS PRIVATE COMPANY AND BY LAW ENFORCEMENT IN GENERAL. THIS ISN'T A HYPOTHETICAL RISK. THIS IS THINGS, THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED IN OTHER CITIES. UH, THERE WERE INSTANCES IN KANSAS AND FLORIDA OF OFFICERS USING IT TO STALK, UH, THEIR EXES AND EX-WIVES AND, AND, UH, FORMER FAMILY MEMBERS. THERE WAS ALSO AN INCIDENT IN, UM, NEW MEXICO OF THE FLOCK SYSTEM FALSELY FLAGGING SOMEONE'S CAR AS STOLEN. AND THAT LED TO A 21-YEAR-OLD AND HER SISTER BEING HELD AT GUNPOINT BY THE POLICE. WHILE THE PROMISE OF ENHANCED SAFETY IS APPEALING, THE DATA OTHER SUGGESTS OTHERWISE, AUSTIN HAS ALREADY HAD THIS SYSTEM AND GOTTEN RID OF IT. THEY'VE SCANNED OVER 1,000,003 AND 13, 113 MILLION LICENSE PLATES, AND THE SYSTEM'S EFFECTIVENESS WAS MINUSCULE. THEIR EFFECTIVENESS WAS ABOUT 0.2%. I ALSO QUESTION HOW THE SYSTEM IS DIFFERENT FROM THE RED LIGHT CAMERAS THAT ARE ALREADY PROHIBITED UNDER THE TRANSPORTATION CODE. I WOULD JUST LIKE SOME CONSISTENCY WHEN IT COMES TO THESE POLICIES. I URGE YOU GUYS TO RECONSIDER THE USE OF THESE CAMERAS. THE COST OF OUR PRIVACY AND FREEDOM IS SIMPLY NOT WORTH THE PROMISE OF SAFETY THAT THE TECHNOLOGY HAS FAILED TO DELIVER IN OTHER PLACES. HUDU IS A COMMUNITY THAT VALUES LIBERTY. IT IS IMPORTANT FOR OUR CITY'S POLICIES TO INFLECT TO, TO REFLECT THOSE VALUES. PLEASE LET US FIND A SOLUTION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY THAT DOES NOT COMPROMISE THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF OUR RESIDENTS. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH. I ALSO HAVE, UH, EMAILED ALL OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY, ALL OF MY RESEARCH NOTES AND ALL OF MY CITATIONS ON THIS, ON THIS POINT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MA'AM. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM EIGHT, [8.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, and Area Government appointments. ] ONE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS, REAPPOINTMENTS AND [00:30:01] OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS, AND AREA GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS. UM, THE, UH, BOARDS AND COMMISSION SUBCOMMITTEE MET, UH, ACTUALLY LAST NIGHT, UH, WITH, UH, DAN THORNTON, UH, COUNCILMAN OR THORNTON COUNCILMAN OR GORDON AND MYSELF. AND, UH, WE, UH, WERE SPECIFICALLY TARGETING THE, UH, PARKS AND PARKS ADVISORY BOARD. AND, UH, THE TWO CANDIDATES THAT WE INTERVIEWED WITH, I THOUGHT WERE VERY GOOD, EXCELLENT CANDIDATES. UM, THAT WAS PUT UP ON THE, THE COUNCIL MESSAGE BOARD. AND, UH, I THINK WE, WE ALL GOT, UH, GOOD RESULTS THAT I HOPE EVERYONE ON THE COUNCIL WERE ABLE TO REVIEW ON THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, CITY SITE AT O NEAL GOV FOR THE, THEIR, UH, APPLICATION AND THINGS. SO I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. UH, WELL, FIRST I TALK ABOUT THE JOSEPH MCGON IS A, IS A PLAYGROUND EXPERT. HE'S WORKED IN MANUFACTURING. HE'S ALSO A CIVILIAN, UH, WORKING AT THE, WITH TALKING ABOUT, UH, RISK MANAGEMENT, UH, UH, SAFETY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, OTHER CANDIDATE, ALLISON GERSH IS A MASTER GARDENER, A MEMBER OF THE TEXAS NATIVE SOCIETY. UH, AND BOTH OF THESE CAN ADD A LOT OF OVER, NOT OVERSIGHT, BUT INPUT IN HOW OUR PARKS AND ADVISORY PARK AS OUR PARKS AND A REC DEPARTMENT, UH, ONCE TO ENHANCE AND EXPAND AND, UH, AND, UM, AND, AND GIVE GUIDANCE ON, UH, WHAT'S THE BEST THING, YOU KNOW, SAFETY WISE AND WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR KIDS AND FAMILIES WANT AT OUR, AT OUR PARKS. SO I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE JOSEPH MCGAHN, M-C-G-U-A-N, AND ALLISON GERSH, G-E-R-S-C-H, TO THE TWO VACANT POSITIONS ON THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON, YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTIONS? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR. UM, OH, GO AHEAD. OH, SO I NOTICED THAT, UM, THAT THE TS BOARDS DON'T GO THROUGH THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE ANYMORE, BUT I WAS REVIEWING, UH, THE CURRENT APPOINTMENTS ON THE TS BOARDS AND THERE ARE NINE CURRENT VACANCIES OF PEOPLE WHOSE, UH, UM, SEATS HAVE EXPIRED IN JUNE THAT NEED TO BE REAPPOINTED TO THE TS BOARD. SO NOW PER OUR PROTOCOL CHANGES, IT'S JUST BY DONE BY THE COUNCIL. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THE NAMES, UM, OF WHO EITHER COULD BE REAPPOINTED AND TO SEE IF WE WANTED TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT TONIGHT, IF THAT'S OKAY. SURE. SOTS BOARD NUMBER TWO. UM, THE TWO INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE NOT BEEN REAPPOINTED WHO COULD BE REAPPOINTED ARE MAYOR SNYDER. UM, YOU'RE ON THERE AND YOU'RE DUE TO BE REAPPOINTED. AND THEN AMBER LEE KOLAR. UM, AND SHE DID EXPRESS INTEREST, UM, IN STAYING ON THAT TOUR BOARD. IF, IF WE'RE OPEN TO THAT, YOU HAVE A MOTION. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT, UH, MIKE SNYDER AND AMBER LEE COLAR TO TOUR BOARD NUMBER ONE, SECOND. SET. TWO OR ONE TOUR BOARD NUMBER ONE. THE CO-OP. OH, TOUR BOARD ONE. OH, I HEARD TWO. I'M SORRY. I MEANT, I MEANT ONE. OKAY. THAT WAS GORDON AND MORRIS. YES. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR SCHNEIDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. AND THEN FOR TS BOARD NUMBER TWO, THERE ARE FOUR, UM, INDIVIDUALS WHO COULD BE REAPPOINTED. UM, I HAVE NOT TALKED, UH, THERE'S TWO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THAT ARE ON THERE. SO COUNCIL MEMBER OR MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON AND MAYOR SNYDER ARE ON THERE. AND THERE'S TWO OTHER INDIVIDUALS. AMBER MITCHELL AND MARCUS COLEMAN. UM, I HAVE NOT TALKED TO EITHER OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE WILLING TO SERVE. I DON'T KNOW IF ONE OF US WANTS TO REACH OUT TO THEM. I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. UM, I THINK ANY ONE OF US COULD, BUT, UM, BUT TONIGHT I WAS PREPARED TO AT LEAST, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO RENOMINATE OR REAPPOINT MAYOR SNYDER AND MAYOR PRO TIMM THORNTON, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. GO AHEAD. SECONDED BY, UM, PORTERFIELD, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. MAYOR PRO TIM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. [00:35:01] MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. AND THEN FORTS BOARD NUMBER THREE. THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE, UM, WHO, UH, ARE UP FOR REAPPOINTMENT. UM, MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON, AMBER LEE LAR. AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS SEAN LUCAS AND I HAVEN'T TALKED TO MR. LUCAS. I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S WILLING OR ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SERVE, BUT AT LEAST TONIGHT I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT, UM, MAYOR PROM THORNTON AND AMBER LEE COLAR, UH, TO THAT CHURCH BOARD, THE SECOND, SECOND. ACTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON SECOND BY COUNCIL PORTERFIELD. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. AND THEN I THINK WE NEED TO APPOINT SOMEONE AT CAP COG. WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET. HAVEN WE? NO, WE HAVE NOT. OH, YOU GOT TIME? YES. I WOULD LOVE TO. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT COUNCILMAN MORRIS TO THE CAP COG POSITION. IT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED. CAPCO SOMETHING. I DON'T YEAH, BUT YOU'LL GO TO IT, RIGHT? YES, SIR. ALRIGHT, SECOND. THERE YOU GO. SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TIMM THORNTON. ANY DISCUSSION? DID, DID WE NEED A RESOLUTION FOR THAT OR IS THE THE MOTION ENOUGH? I, I'M NOT SURE HOW THE CAP COG RULES WORKED. I THOUGHT WE HAD A, A NOTE ABOUT THAT. WE'VE ALWAYS DONE A RESOLUTION AND SENT IT TO THE CAP. I TAKE A MINUTE TO DIRECT YOU ALL TO BRING BACK A RESOLUTION APPOINTING YOU OKAY WITH THAT? THAT'S FINE. ALRIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. AYE. MAYOR PROTON THORNTON. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER ITEMS? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL [8.2. Consideration and possible action regarding recommendations or updates from City Council sub-committees (i.e. HISD, CIP, UDC, Public Safety, Co-Op). ] GO TO ITEM EIGHT TWO, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RECOMMENDATIONS OR UPDATES FROM CITY COUNCIL. SUBCOMMITTEES, UH, THE ISD DIDN'T MEET THE CIPI THINK IS OVER THE UDC MET. WE JUST HAD A MEETING TODAY WITH STAFF. UM, YOU WANNA GIVE A SUMMATION? UH, YEAH. UM, THE, THE THREE OF US, UH, AS COUNCILMAN PORTERFIELD, UH, MAYOR SNYDER AND MYSELF, WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN SOME SPENDING EXTRA HOURS ON, ON SUNDAYS. I THINK I'VE MISSED ONE OR TWO, BUT I THINK IT'S PROBABLY CLOSE TO 20, 25 HOURS BETWEEN, AND THEN THREE OF US. SO IT'S 500 OR FOUR HUNDRED AND SIXTY, TWO SEVENTY TWO PAGES OR 3 72 PAGES. UM, BUT IDEOLOGICALLY WHAT, WHAT I THINK THE CITY AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND ENGINEERING CAME TO AN AGREEMENT IS, HOW CAN WE STREAMLINE THE UDC TO MAKE IT EASIER ON THE DEVELOPERS IN THE PROCESS? NOT EASIER ON THE DEVELOPERS REQUIREMENTS, BUT EASIER ON THE PROCESS OF INTERACTING WITH THE CITY AND STAFF AND THE, AND THE, AND SPECIFICALLY THE PLA FORMATION AND SOME OF THE SPECIFIC THINGS LIKE SIGNS. UH, AND, AND THEN WE ALSO FIND, FOUND SOME PROBLEMS THAT WERE JUST KIND OF TYPOS AND CLERICAL AREA ERROR ERRORS, BUT WITH THE DOCUMENTS SO LARGE LOT THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE TO HAVE THOSE, UH, GET THROUGH, SLIP THROUGH. SO I THINK WHATEVER THE, THE CITY STAFF SPECIFICALLY, UH, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT AND OUR, OUR CITY ENGINEERING CREW AND STAFF IS THAT, UH, HOW CAN WE, UH, TO, TO REDUCE, UH, DWELL TIMES, IN OTHER WORDS, BETWEEN SOMETHING IS, UH, SENT IN, UH, TO CITY. MAYBE REDUCING THAT TIME TO WHERE WE GET BACK TO THEM. UM, ALSO MAKING THINGS MORE CLEAR CUT. UH, AS A CITY ENGINEER, IF I CAN QUOTE HIM AS MAKING IT REALLY VERY SPECIFIC AS FAR AS, UH, WHAT THEY CAN DO AND WHAT THEY CANNOT DO. IF A DEVELOPER WANTS TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, UH, SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE THE LINES, UH, WITHIN REASON, THEN IT WOULD GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF, UH, KIND OF SEPARATE TO THAT. BUT AS FAR AS PEOPLE WANTING TO, TO, TO DEVELOP IN THE, IN THE CITY WITH KIND OF THE VANILLA, HERE'S WHAT'S WE HAVE. AND IT'S, IT'S IN 372 PAGES. SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A, A LIGHT A RESTRICTION. THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS THERE. IF THEY JUST FOLLOW THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT, THEN THEIR PLAS WILL BE APPROVED. IF THEY WANNA DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, THEN THERE'S A PROCESS TO THAT. BUT THE DEVELOPERS WANT TO GET THINGS DONE QUICKLY. UH, AND THIS IS FROM DEVELOPERS THAT WE'VE HAD IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE EDC, UH, MEETINGS AND, AND ON ON THE, ON THE DAIS AS, UH, AS TO HELP DEVELOPERS, UH, GET THIS, THIS, GET THIS THROUGH. SO WE DON'T WANNA HAVE THESE, YOU KNOW, WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN CONCEPTUALLY, UH, AND, AND ACTUALLY HAVING A FINAL PLAT APPROVED, WE DON'T WANT THIS 12, 18 MONTHS. [00:40:01] I THINK THERE'S, UH, ANOC EVIDENCE THAT IT CAN TAKE 18 MONTHS AND TAILOR TO GET THINGS DONE. UM, AND, AND WE WANNA MAKE THAT TO WHERE WE'RE SIX TO NINE MONTHS OR, OR EVEN LESS. SO THAT'S THE IDEOLOGICAL PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH OF US REVIEWING THE DOCUMENT, UM, AND HAVING A, A, A, A, A COMMERCIAL, SMALL, SMALL BUSINESS, UH, RETAIL DEVELOPER, UH, YOU KNOW, ON THE DAIS HERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WAS A, WAS A, WAS A HELP HAVING BUSINESS OWNERS AND THINGS AND GETTING AND TALKING TO PEOPLE. BUT THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT'S GOING, I THINK WE'VE, UH, WE'RE GIVING THEM THREE MONTHS OR ONE, ONE MONTH TO GET BACK TO US. UH, WHO THE CITY STAFF ON THE UT C NO, I THINK IT'S MONDAY. IT'S MONDAY. I DON'T THINK WE SAID IT'S MONDAY. WE CHANGED THE . SO ANYWAY, THERE'S A TIMELINE THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED AND, UH, WE, WE WELCOME, UH, THE INPUTS AND WHATEVER CAN MAKE IT EASIER ON STAFF, UH, AND SPECIFICALLY OUR CITY ENGINEER AND, UM, AND PLANNING DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. SO, DID I MISS ANYTHING? UM, NO, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT FOR MEMBERS ON COUNCIL, IT, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE SOME OF OUR DISCUSSIONS IN TALKING TO STAFF IS NOT TOO FAR OUT IN LEFT FIELD. IT'S THINGS THAT MAYBE THEY'RE INTERESTED INTO IN TERMS OF IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF TIME SOAKED THAT'S BEING USED AND THERE'S A LOT OF EXPENSIVE, UM, EXPERIENCED PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH STUFF THAT IS EXTREMELY MINUTIA, THAT REALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT MAY NOT BE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR OUR CITY. AND IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT MATTERS. AND I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF A GRAY AREA. WE'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF A LOT OF GRAY AREAS. ONE OF THEM IS, IF YOU WERE TO BUILD A DETENTION POND, I'M PARAPHRASING THE CODE HILL A BIT, THE CODE ALLOWS YOU TO BUILD IT UP TO 25% OF THAT DETENTION POND WITHIN A SETBACK, A LANDSCAPE SETBACK. AND SO, BUT IT HAS TO HAVE STAFF APPROVAL. WELL THEN KNOWING THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, IF YOU SAY THEY CAN HAVE 25, THEY'RE GOING FOR 30 OR 40%, AND THEN WE SPEND MONTHS POTENTIALLY AND TIME ON SOMETHING THAT REALLY, I DON'T KNOW, EVEN US UP HERE CARE. AND SO WHAT WE KIND OF CAME UP WITH IS, NO, YOU CAN'T PUT IT IN A SETBACK, FIGURE IT OUT. AND SO BY HAVING IT IN A GRAY, WE'RE INVITING DEVELOPERS TO KIND OF PUSH AROUND AND TRY TO FIGURE THINGS OUT BY HAVING SOME THINGS AND JUST GOING BLACK AND WHITE, THEN WE'RE JUST SAYING, YOU GOTTA FIGURE IT OUT. AND THEN, SO THEN WE, WE FREE UP A LOT OF TIME. AND THE IDEA OF BEING, UM, LIKE CUSTOMER MORRIS SAID, YOU WOULDN'T MAKE FOR LESS QUALITY THINGS. IT WOULD JUST MAKE FOR FASTER MOVING THROUGH THE TIME TO WHERE STAFF IS NOT BOGGED DOWN WITH ALL THESE LITTLE DETAILS, UM, THAT MAYBE OTHER, OTHER GROUPS ARE TAKEN CARE OF. SO, UM, I HOPE TO HAVE THAT BACK TO YOU GUYS HERE BY THE END OF THE MONTH FOR A GOOD LOOK. UM, ONCE STAFF GOES THROUGH IT AND COMES UP WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, A LOT OF THINGS I'LL FINISH WE'RE SAYING TO THEM IS, WHEN IT COMES TO SIGN CODE, LIKE IT'S EXTREMELY COMPLICATED, MAYBE 60 OR 70 PAGES, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. YOU GUYS KNOW HOW TO GET IT DONE, SO HOW DO WE CHANGE IT? AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY LIKE, MAYBE THERE'S A REALLY EASY WAY TO SIMPLIFY IT THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT DOING AND MAYBE TAKE 60 PAGES OUT WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE ALL THE, ALL THE WAYS AROUND THINGS AND WHAT IS IT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET. SO I THINK IT'S GONNA BE SOME PRETTY EXCITING DEALS. AND WE'RE REMODELING THE PLAT, I THINK CITY MANAGER RIGHT OFF OF THE DFW WAY OF DOING IT. MM-HMM . SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE REINVENTING THE WHEEL. WE'RE LITERALLY SAYING, HEY, MAYBE CENTRAL TEXAS IS DOING THINGS EXTREMELY COMPLICATED. AND SO HOW DO WE DIFFERENTIATE OURSELF FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT AWAY FROM CENTRAL TEXAS? AND IF WE FIND ANOTHER METRO AREA DOING SOMETHING THAT FOLLOWS THE STATE LAWS, BUT AS MUCH QUICKER, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, SEE IF THAT WORKS. AND IF IT DOES, THEN THERE'S A POTENTIAL WE CAN FREE UP STAFF TIME, MOVE PROJECTS FASTER AND WIN AND BE ALMOST LIKE HAVE A, UM, A, A HEADSTART ON SOME OF THE AREA GOVERNMENTS, BUT I THINK YOU GUYS WOULD BE EXCITED FOR IT. ALRIGHT, PUBLIC SAFETY THAT'S COMING UP. I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE, THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON NUMBERS. I THINK CITY MANAGER BEFORE THE SAFETY SUBCOMMITTEE MEETS. YEP. AND THEN, UH, THE CO-OP, WE JUST GOT AN EMAIL TODAY OR YESTERDAY. DOUBLE CHECKING, DIDN'T WE? DON'T MIND THE WRONG EMAIL. WE HEARD FROM YOU RECENTLY. I, I SAW A SUMMARY THAT CAME FROM THEIR SIDE, FROM THEIR ATTORNEY THAT GAVE A SUMMARY OF, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING SINCE AND THAT'S BEEN ABOUT A WEEK. OKAY. YEAH. SO ABOUT A WEEK WHERE THE BALL'S IN THEIR COURT. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR THIS ONE? ALRIGHT, NINE ONE. [9.1. Police Department Quarterly Update Presentation (Chief Jeffrey Yarbrough)] WE HAVE POLICE DEPARTMENT QUARTERLY UPDATE PRESENTATION. CHIEF YARBOROUGH, CHIEF IS APPREHENDING SOMEBODY, BUT SOUNDS [00:45:01] LIKE I PICKED THE WRONG TIME TO TAKE A BATHROOM BREAK. , WE WERE GOOD AFTERNOON. GO NINE ONE CHIEF IS, UH, UP. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, MR. DOTY, JEFF YARBOROUGH, CHIEF OF POLICE OF THE HUDDLE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND I COME TO YOU TONIGHT TO PROVIDE A QUARTERLY UPDATE OF HOW THINGS ARE GOING IN THE HUDDLE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO SOME OF THE THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT ARE, I WANNA GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON OUR STAFFING. I WANNA TALK ABOUT A FEW OF THE, UH, CRIME STATS AND, UM, KIND OF GIVE YOU A COMPARISON OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY WHEN IT COMES TO, TO CRIME DATA. I WANNA TALK ABOUT OUR CRISIS SUPPORT, VICTIM SERVICES, ANIMAL CONTROL, CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING ABOUT HU PD NEWS. SO WE HAVE AN AUTHORIZED STAFF OF FULL-TIME, FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT, UH, SWORN OFFICERS OF 51. WE CURRENTLY HAVE ZERO VACANCIES IN THE HU POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS AN AMAZING ACCOMPLISHMENT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. CHIEF, HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE WE HAD, UH, FULL STAFF? I THINK WE WERE FULL STAFF FOR ABOUT 10 MINUTES IN 2014. SO IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. , IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. BUT WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE THE AMOUNT OF STAFF THAT WE HAVE. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND IS WHEN YOU SAY 51 OFFICERS, PEOPLE THINK, WOW, THAT'S A LOT OF OFFICERS WE GOT. WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE FULLY STAFFED, WHICH WE ARE. BUT THE VALUE, NOW YOU'VE GOT OFFICERS THAT CAN RESPOND, YOU'VE GOT FULLY FULL SHIFTS. WELL, THE REALITY IS, THE REALITY, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER BUSINESS. EVEN WHEN YOU GOT 51 OFFICERS, IF YOU'VE GOT A SHIFT, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE OUT SICK, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE IN TRAINING, YOU'VE GOT A VARIETY OF REASONS WHY THOSE, THOSE SHIFTS ARE NOT FULLY STAFFED. BUT WE ARE VERY PROUD TO HAVE THIS NUMBER AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO USING WHAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THE BEST, BEST QUALITY SERVICE THAT WE CAN TO THIS COMMUNITY. WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR OFFICERS IN FIELD TRAINING. WE'VE GOT ONE IN BACKGROUND AND WE ARE ANTICIPATING, UM, A NEW ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT FIELD. UH, WE HAD A PREVIOUS ONE THAT LEFT, AND WE'VE GOT ONE NOW THAT'S, UM, IN BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION. SO WE'RE HOPING THAT WE'LL HAVE THAT VACANCY FIELD HERE VERY SOON. SO I WANNA TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE, THE CRIME STATS. NOW IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM, YOU'LL SEE THAT I HAVE A, UH, WEBSITE LINK. ALL OF OUR STATS ARE ONLINE. SO I ENCOURAGE ANYONE THAT HAS QUESTIONS OR WANT TO KNOW OR TO DO A DEEPER DIVE ON WHAT OUR STATS LOOK LIKE. YOU CAN GO ONLINE TO HUDDLE TX.GOV AND LOOK AT THE STATISTICS FOR THE HU POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO IN THIS, UH, CHART, YOU'LL SEE THAT I STARTED OUT WITH THE BURGLARY OF A MOTOR VEHICLE IN 2024. WE HAD 12 FOR THE MONTH OF JULY, 2025, WE HAD ZERO. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT 2025 AND YOU LOOK AT HU AND YOU LOOK AT OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND, YOU READ THE PAPER, YOU WATCH THE NEWS, YOU'LL SEE THAT BURGLARIES ARE STILL, CAR BURGLARIES ARE STILL ON THE RISE, UH, THROUGH CENTRAL TEXAS, UH, AT LARGE. WHY ARE WE SEEING ZERO JUST IN HU NOW? WELL, THERE ARE A VARIETY OF REASONS. WE'VE MADE IT CLEAR THAT NUMBER ONE, IF YOU COME INTO HU AND YOU BREAK INTO VEHICLES AND YOU RUN FROM US, THE MAYOR KNOWS EMPHASIS. UH, THAT MY, MY MY PHILOSOPHY IS SIMPLE. IF YOU RUN FROM US, YOU GO TO JAIL, TIRED, WE'RE GOING TO CHASE YOU. WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO BE YOUR CONSEQUENCE. IF YOU COME TO HU AND YOU THINK YOU CAN STEAL OR, OR TREAT OUR COMMUNITY AS IF WE ARE VICTIMS, WE'RE IN, WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF ERASING THE WORD VICTIM FOR MY VOCABULARY. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE BECAUSE THESE GROUPS, THERE ARE GROUPS CALLED THE KILL BOYS. THERE ARE GROUPS, UM, THAT GO OUT AND THEY'LL ATTEMPT TO, UH, DO A RASH OF CAR BURGLARIES. AND WE USE A LOT OF TOOLS. PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE HAVE DRONES. PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE HAVE, UH, RADAR, WE HAVE A VARIETY OF THINGS. BUT I'LL TELL YOU, THE BEST TOOL WE HAVE IN HU BY FAR IS CALLED THE TATTLETALE. OUR COMMUNITY IS GOING TO CALL THE POLICE, AND WHEN THEY DO, WE'RE GOING TO COME AND WE'RE GOING TO TO DEAL WITH THAT SITUATION. SO THAT IS THE BEST TOOL THAT WE HAVE. WE'VE HAD BURGLARIES IN THE PAST WHERE PEOPLE HAVE CALLED AND SEEN PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET DOING THINGS. THEY'LL CALL OUR OFFICERS, OUR OFFICER TO GET THERE, AND WE HANDLE OUR BUSINESS. SO WE ARE VERY PROUD OF THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS YOU'LL SEE THIS DETERRENT BECAUSE WE ARE, WE'RE, WE'RE KEY IN ON WHAT THEIR STRATEGIES ARE, AND WE WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT, UH, IT'S A BIG MISTAKE TO COME AND DO THOSE THINGS HERE. DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE BURGLARIES ARE OVER? NO, IT JUST MEANS THAT THEY'RE NOT HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. BUT IF THEY HAPPEN AGAIN, WE WILL CONTINUE OUR INITIATIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DISCOURAGE ANYONE FROM DOING THOSE THINGS. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CRIMINAL MISCHIEF, I JUST WANTED TO THROW A FEW NUMBERS. SO I SHOWED YOU THE BURGLARIES HAD DECREASED, DECREASED, BUT I WANNA SHOW YOU CRIMINAL MISCHIEF INCREASES. WELL, HERE'S THE THING. IN THE SUMMERS WHEN YOU HAVE, UH, CHILDREN WITH A LOT OF TIME ON THEIR HANDS, YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME AREAS WHERE YOU GOT SPIKES. AND I DIDN'T DO THAT, BUT OKAY, WELL, I GO, I'M SURE YOU DID , [00:50:01] MY BAD. , YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SPIKES IN CERTAIN AREAS AND, AND A LOT OF THIS STUFF, YOU'RE GONNA SEE EBBS AND FLOWS. BUT SOMETIMES YOU, THERE ARE CRIMES THAT WE KIND OF WILL ANTICIPATE SEEING SLIGHT SPIKES. THE DWI, I I WANT YOU TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT JULY, 2024, THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY INTERESTING ABOUT DWIS. THE MORE YOU LOOK FOR 'EM, THE MORE YOU CAN FIND BECAUSE THEY ARE OUT THERE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR IS ONE OF OUR OFFICERS, OFFICER MORON THAT WORKS FOR OUR DEPARTMENT. HE IS A, AN OFFICER THAT PRIORITIZES A VARIETY OF THINGS, BUT HE'S A, HE'S VERY, VERY GOOD AT DWIS. AND IN FACT, BECAUSE OF THE EFFORTS IN HIS WORK IN DWIS, HE IS RANKED ONE OF THE TOP INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, NOT JUST CENTRAL TEXAS, IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, ON THE NUMBER OF DWIS THAT HE GETS. HE THERE ARE TIMES HE'S HAD TWO OR THREE IN A DAY. DOES THAT MEAN WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DWIS IN, IN HU? NO, IT MEANS YOU GOT A LOT OF 'EM COMING THROUGH AND YOU'VE GOT OFFICERS THAT ARE TRAINED TO DETECT AND REACT AND RESPOND TO THOSE THINGS TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITIES SAFE. ALSO WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT WE HAVE THEFTS THAT HAVE DECLINED. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE YEAR OVER THE YEAR OVER YEAR AND OUR TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT NUMBER, AGAIN, SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE SNAPSHOTS FOR THOSE MONTHS AND YOU'LL SEE EBBS AND FLOWS. BUT WE DO BELIEVE WE'RE GETTING SOME TRACTION FROM OUR TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT DIVISION WHO'S OUT AND THEY'RE PROACTIVE, THEY'RE BEING VISIBLE AS WELL AS OUT OF OTHER OFFICERS, MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE THAT DETERRENT TO THOSE THAT, UH, MAY OTHERWISE ENGAGE IN BEHAVIORS THAT CAN RESULT IN ACCIDENTS. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID NOTICE THOUGH WAS, UH, THE FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL, WE DID HAVE SEVEN ACCIDENTS. WAS IT THAT MORNING OR THE WHOLE DAY? MOSTLY THE MORNING. THAT MORNING WE HAD QUITE A FEW, UM, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT. BUT WHEN YOU'VE GOT THAT VOLUME OF VEHICLES GOING, THE ODDS INCREASE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ACCIDENT OF SOME SORT. SO OUR CRISIS SUPPORT SERVICES, THEY ARE OUR, UH, SOCIAL EMOTIONAL, BEHAVIORAL MENTAL HEALTH EXPERTS. WE HAVE A TEAM IN THIS DEPARTMENT THAT IS BAR NONE. THEY PROVIDE TRAINING TO A, OUR OFFICERS INSIDE THE DEPARTMENT, BUT TO AGENCIES OUTSIDE. AND THEY HAVE, HAVE PUT THEIR FOOTPRINT IN THE, UH, SANDS OF SUCCESS WHEN IT COMES TO PROVIDING THE SUPPORT AND RESOURCES THAT WE NEED FOR THOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT STRUGGLE WITH SOCIAL, EMOTIONAL, BEHAVIORAL SUBSTANCE ABUSE ISSUES. SO FOR THE MONTH OF JULY, THEY HAD 58 CALLS, WHICH IS AN A 41% INCREASE FROM 2024. AND WHAT THEY DO ALSO, THEY GO OUT WHEN THERE'S A A, A CRISIS CALL, MANY TIMES THEY'LL GO OUT AND PROVIDE THE ONGOING SUPPORT WRAPAROUND SERVICES TO THOSE FAMILIES. BUT THERE ARE TIMES THAT THEY GO OUT WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AS WELL WHEN YOU'VE GOT SOMEONE THAT IS ACTIVELY IN CRISIS AND, UM, THEY MAY BE A A, A DANGER TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS. SO THEY, LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL PROVIDE THAT SUPPORT TO THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET OUR, OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE IN CRISIS HELP. WE DON'T, THE LAST THING WE WANT IS SOMEBODY THAT NEEDS HELP ENDING UP HURT. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE VALUABLE, VALUABLE TOOLS THAT OUR SUPPORT SERVICE CRISIS SUPPORT SERVICES PROVIDE. SO IN THAT MONTH, I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT WE NOT JUST, WE, WE NOT ONLY DEAL WITH ADULTS, WE DO HAVE, UH, YOUTH IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT NEED THAT SUPPORT SERVICES AND THEY PROVIDE THAT AS WELL. SO OUR VICTIM SERVICES. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT YOU TO, I WANNA APOLOGIZE FOR, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 2025, I'VE GOT JUNE, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE JULY , BUT, UM, YOU LOOK AT THE STATS, OUR, OUR CASE REFERRALS TO OUR, OUR VICTIM SERVICES DEPARTMENT, UM, WHICH YOU LOOK, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT DECLINE. DOES THAT MEAN THAT, UM, WE'RE HAVING LESS CRIME? WELL, IT MEANS WE DID FOR THAT MONTH, BUT WE'RE PREPARED FOR WHATEVER COMES OUR WAY BECAUSE MANY OF THE, THE SITUATIONS WHEN YOU HAVE VICTIMS ARE OFTEN UN UNPREDICTABLE. AND WHEN IT HAPPENS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE THAT SUPPORT. SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHAT VICTIM SERVICES PROVIDE, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO. LET OUR COMMUNITY KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE THAT SUPPORT SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN LEFT VULNERABLE TO A CRISIS ANIMAL CONTROL. I WANT PEOPLE TO SEE THAT THERE'S A WIDE RANGE OF THINGS THAT OUR ANIMAL CONTROL, UH, UNIT DOES. AND WE'VE GOT TWO OFFICERS AND THOSE OFFICERS GO OUT AND THEY ANSWER THINGS FROM LOOSE DOGS TO PATROLLING. THEY DO THEIR OWN ADMIN WORK, THEY GO OUT AND THEY, THEY HANDLE BITES. THEY TRANSPORT DOGS, UH, OR ANIMALS TO, UM, THE WILLIAMS COUNTY ANIMAL SHELTER. THEY DO A VARIETY OF THINGS. AND THEY HAD A TOTAL OF 620 CALLS AND ACTIONS FOR THE MONTH OF JULY. CODE ENFORCEMENT. THE SAME. YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF, OF CALLS AND ACTIONS THAT THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS DO. THEY PROVIDE SERVICES AND THEY ARE THE UNSUNG HEROES IN OUR COMMUNITY. [00:55:01] THE QUALITY OF OUR OFFICERS WHEN IT COMES TO OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND OUR ANIMAL CONTROL SERVICES, THEY ARE SOMETHING SPECIAL. AND I AM REALLY, REALLY BLESSED AND FORTUNATE TO BE WORKING IN A, IN A DEPARTMENT WITH PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY SERVE AND THEY CARE ABOUT WHAT THEY DO. SO THE LAST THING I WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH IS I WANNA SHARE A VIDEO. UH, BUT BEFORE I DO, I'M GONNA PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT. MANY OF YOU KNOW, WE HAD A TRAGIC SITUATION THAT HAPPENED IN OUR COMMUNITY, UH, LAST MONTH WHERE WE HAD A BARRICADED SUBJECT. AND ULTIMATELY WE HAD TO HAVE OUR SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM, OUR SRT, WHICH IS OUR, WHICH MOST PEOPLE KNOW AS A SWAT TEAM. WE HAD TO CALL THEM OUT AND WE HAD TO CALL EMERGENCY SERVICES. AND WE HAD FIRE. WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE THERE WAS A, A, A, A SITUATION THAT OCCURRED IN A HOUSE BETWEEN A MAN AND, AND HIS WIFE WHERE SHOTS WERE FIRED AND THE VICTIM WAS THANKFULLY REMOVED FROM THE HOME AND THE INDIVIDUAL BARRICADED HIMSELF IN THE HOUSE. AND SO WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING WAS RESPONDING TO THAT LOCATION. WE PUT OFFICERS IN STRATEGIC POSITIONS TO SET UP A PERIMETER. WE BROUGHT A DRONE IN SO THAT WE COULD, UM, GET CLOSE AS WE COULD GET FEEDBACK AND DATA THAT OUR, UM, OUR SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM COULD PROCESS SO THAT WE WOULD KNOW THE BEST APPROACH, WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AND HOW TO RESPOND EFFECTIVELY. SOME PEOPLE WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WHY AM I NOT GETTING A RESPONSE OR A, A, UH, A NOTIFICATION? WELL, THERE'S A SYSTEM THAT YOU CAN'T SIGN UP FOR IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN YOUR, IN YOUR AREA, AND WE DO A GEOFENCE AND WE NOTIFY PEOPLE, AND THEN THERE ARE TIMES THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN NOTIFIED AS WELL. BUT THE REALITY IS THOSE THAT ARE WITHIN THAT PERIMETER THAT WE'VE GOT SECURE AND WE KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT THAT SITUATION CONTAINED, WE WILL NOTIFY PEOPLE THERE. BUT WE MAY NOT, NOT NOTIFY PEOPLE ACROSS TOWN OR THREE STREETS OVER BECAUSE WE'VE GOT IT CONTAINED TO ONE AREA, WHICH IS THE HOT ZONE. OTHER AREAS ARE OUTSIDE OF THAT, THAT MAY NOT, UM, HAVE A, UM, A NEED TO BE NOTIFIED THEY TYPICALLY WON'T BE. SO WHEN OUR OFFICERS ARRIVED AT THIS SCENE, LIKE I SAID, THEY SET UP A PERIMETER. WE HAD, UM, THE DRONE GO UP AND YOU WILL SEE, AND I'LL, I'LL NARRATE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS. IT'S A SHORT, SHORT VIDEO. YOU'LL SEE WE'RE RUNNING THE DRONE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE HOME TO SEE WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET BEHIND THE FENCES AT THAT TIME. YOU'LL SEE PATROL VEHICLES ARE SET UP TO THE RIGHT, YOU'LL SEE TO THE LEFT, WE'VE GOT THAT STREET BLOCKED OFF. PATROL OFFICERS ARE LINED UP GOING UP THE STREET. YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE FIRE EMS. WE HAVE OFFICERS WHO ARE OUR SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM ARRIVING IN THEIR INDIVIDUAL VEHICLES AND THEY'RE SETTING OUT THEIR EQUIPMENT HERE SO THAT THEY CAN PREP TO GO AND MAKE THEIR APPROACH TO THAT SCENE. UNDER THE COVER OF DARKNESS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A VEHICLE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET BECAUSE OF, WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE LEVEL OF EQUIPMENT WE NEED AT THIS POINT. SO WE'RE USING A PATROL VEHICLE TO PROVIDE COVERAGE FOR THE PATROL OR, OR THE SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM AS THEY RESPOND THERE. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT WE STILL HAVE A PERIMETER SET UP. THIS IS AT NIGHT, WE'RE STILL GETTING VISUAL ON THE HOUSE. WE CONFIRMED THAT THERE WERE SOME, UM, CAMERAS AROUND THE HOUSE BECAUSE THE INDIVIDUAL SAID THAT IF YOU COME IN, SOMEONE'S GONNA GET HURT. HE HAD, UH, WEAPONS STAGED AT SEVERAL, UH, PURCHASE THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE, AND HE TOLD US THAT HE WAS SEEING US. WE HAD CAMERAS. SO WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, MITIGATE THAT. AND YOU'LL SEE NOW OUR OFFICERS ARE MAKING THEIR APPROACH. THEY LINE UP ON THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE AND AS THEY'RE STANDING THERE, YOU'LL NOTICE IN THE GARAGE THERE'S A, UH, THERE'S A HIGH VOLUME OF SMOKE WHERE A, A FIRE WAS ATTEMPTED TO BE SET. SO OUR OFFICERS ARE PREPPED. WE WAITED UNTIL WILLIAMSON COUNTY BROUGHT THEIR BEARCAT, WHICH IS AN ARMORED VEHICLE. THEY, OUR OFFICERS TOOK POSITION BEHIND THAT. WE HAD SOME SNIPER OVERWATCH WATCHING THE WINDOWS TO MAKE SURE OUR OFFICERS WERE SAFE. THEY WERE GIVING DIRECTIVES TO THAT INDIVIDUAL TO COME OUT OF THE HOUSE OR WE WOULD COME IN, THEY GAVE HIM A TIMELINE, COUNTED IT DOWN, OUR OFFICERS, WE GOT NO RESPONSE, UH, NEGOTIATIONS BY THE WAY, WERE WORKING THROUGH AND TALKING WITH HIM. AND THEN THAT DECLINED. AND SO OUR OFFICERS MADE APPROACH TO THIS HOME KNOWING THAT WE HAD AN INDIVIDUAL ARMED IN THAT THEY BREACHED THE WINDOW TO THE RIGHT. AND YOU'LL SEE AS THEY STACK UP, THEY THROW A FLASH BANG IN THE WINDOW AS A DISTRACTION AREA DEVICE. AS THEY STACK UP AND PREPARE TO ENTER THE HOUSE, THEY THROW THE FLASH BANG AS A DISTRACTION AND IMMEDIATELY THEY BREACHED THE DOOR. AND ONCE THEY BREACHED THE DOOR, OUR OFFICERS, WE SENT THE DRONE IN TO TRY TO LOCATE THE INDIVIDUAL, THE INTERIOR DRONE. AND AS OUR OFFICERS MADE ENTRY INTO THE HOME TO ENGAGE, THEY NOTICED WEAPONS IN SEVERAL PLACES PERCHED AROUND THE HOUSE, RIFLES PISTOLS PREPARED FOR, UM, A AN AGGRESSIVE ENCOUNTER. BUT WHEN THE OFFICERS WENT INTO THE HOME, WHAT THEY FOUND WAS, UNFORTUNATELY, TRAGICALLY WE FOUND THE INDIVIDUAL IN A CONDITION THAT WAS NO LONGER CONDUCIVE TO LIFE, BUT WE HAD THE VICTIM SAFE AND OUR OFFICERS WERE SAFE AS WELL. WHEN WE DID THIS ENCOUNTER. THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN OUR COMMUNITY. [01:00:01] IT, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THEY PROBABLY DIDN'T HAPPEN AS FREQUENT. YOU KNOW, WHEN CHIEF JONES STARTED, WE WERE 630 PEOPLE WE'RE A LOT LARGER THAN THAT. SO WHEN WITH INCREASED, UH, POPULATION, WITH THE INCREASED VEHICLES COMING THROUGH YOUR COMMUNITY, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN INCREASED IN A VARIETY OF THINGS, INCLUDING SOME OF THE, UH, UH, UH, CRIMINAL NATURE OF SOME OF THE, THE INCREASED NATURE OF, OF CRIME THAT WE HAVE AND THE CRIMINAL NATURE OF CERTAIN CRIMES THAT WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR. SO OUR, ALL OUR SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM, I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WE TRAIN WEEKLY, WE TRAIN AND WE MAKE SURE THAT WE TRY TO PROVIDE THE BEST EQUIPMENT THAT THEY CAN HAVE BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE WANT IS A SITUATION TO DECLINE TO SUCH A POINT TO WHERE OUR OFFICERS ARE HURT OR SOME INNOCENT PERSON IS HURT. SO THIS WAS A, A TRAGEDY, BUT THE OPERATION WAS FLAWLESS BY OUR SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM IN ENSURING THAT OUR COMMUNITY WAS SAFE, THE VICTIM WAS REMOVED FROM THE HOME SAFELY, AND WE RESOLVED IT WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, HARM TO, UH, OUR OFFICERS OR, OR THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT IS MY PRESENTATION FOR THE HUDDLE POLICE DEPARTMENT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANKS SIR. QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL? YEAH, CHIEF. UM, SO ONE THING THAT I DIDN'T NOTICE ON THE, UH, ON THE SLIDE WITH THE, I'M GONNA GET THE DEPARTMENT WRONG, BUT WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH, WHAT ARE THE BIGGEST TRENDS THAT YOU'RE SEEING QUARTER OVER QUARTER WITH CALLS COMING IN, MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES HERE IN THE CITY? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU PROVIDED THE NUMBERS, BUT WHAT ARE THOSE TRENDS LOOKING LIKE AS SCHOOL, STARTING BACK AS SUMMER'S OVER, YOU KNOW, WHAT WERE WE SEEING? WHAT IS POTENTIAL TO BE SEEING? UM, I KNOW THIS DEPARTMENT YOU'VE MENTIONED MULTIPLE TIMES IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S STAFFED BUT UNDERSTAFFED. SO WHAT, WHAT'S THOSE TRENDS LOOKING LIKE FOR THOSE, FOR THAT DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY? YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. AND SO ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE ARE CONSISTENTLY DEALING WITH, I THINK THERE ARE A VARIETY OF CONCERNS AND, AND THAT, THAT ARE, I GUESS, IN THE BUCKET. THEY ARE ALL A TREND, WHICH IS WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF SUICIDAL IDEATION. WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF HOMICIDAL IDEATION WHERE OUR OFFICERS ARE HAVING TO GO OUT AND THEY'RE HAVING TO DO EMERGENCY DETENTIONS. UM, OUR CRISIS SUPPORT TEAM IS GOING OUT TO WHERE THEY HAVE TO DO EMERGENCY DETENTIONS. WE HAVE THOSE THAT ARE SOMETIMES SELF-MEDICATING ON, UM, SUB, UH, ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES THAT MAY CAUSE A DECLINE WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR, THEIR BEHAVIOR. WE HAVE THOSE THAT ARE, THAT ARE OFF OF THEIR MEDICATIONS THAT NEED TO BE REGULATED AND TAKEN TO A FACILITY WHERE THEY CAN GET THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED. SO THERE'S A VARIETY. THOSE ARE CON LIKE THE CONTINUOUS TRENDS THAT WE'RE SEEING AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY. AND, AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY NOT ONLY ARE WE, UM, USING THE SERVICES OF OUR CRISIS SUPPORT TEAM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE AN INITIATIVE IN THIS DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE BY THE END OF THE YEAR, EVERY SWORN OFFICER IS A MENTAL HEALTH OFFICER. DOES THAT MAKE THEM THE EXPERT? NO. BUT IT GIVES THEM THE TOOLS AND THE TRAINING THAT THEY NEED TO BE EQUIPPED TO IDENTIFY THE INDICATORS, TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THERE'S SOMETHING MORE GOING ON WITH A PERSON AND THAT PERSON BECAUSE THAT PERSON NEEDS HELP. BECAUSE THE, SO THEY'RE NOT TRAINED AS MENTAL HEALTH OFFICERS. A, A LARGE NUMBER OF US ARE, THERE ARE A FEW MORE THAT AREN'T. AND SO WE DO, WE ARE RE WE'RE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH CRISIS INTERVENTION TRAINING. THERE'S TRAININGS THAT OUR OFFICERS ARE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW TO GO THROUGH. AND SO WE DO. BUT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE BEHAVIORS, A PERSON IN CRISIS THAT BEHAVIOR CAN MIMIC CRIMINALITY. AND WE WANT OUR OFFICERS TRAINED TO A POINT TO WHERE THEY KNOW THE DIFFERENCE AND THEY DON'T APPROACH IT FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT. WE APPROACH IT FROM A, A CONTINUITY OF CARE APPROACH WHERE WE CAN GET THOSE, UH, THOSE INDIVIDUALS IN CRISIS, THE HELP THAT THEY NEED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD. AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, UM, IN THE VIDEO YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU, WE HAD TO WAIT FOR WILLIAMSON COUNTY WHO HAD A ARMORED VEHICLE. YES. SO THEN WHAT DID THE SPECIAL RES RESPONSE TEAM, WHAT VEHICLE ARE THEY UTILIZING? WHY WAS, WAS THEIR VEHICLE NOT BULLETPROOF ARMORED? SO WITH THAT SITUATION, WE WERE, WE, THE SITUATION WAS THE DRIVER AND, AND THE EXIGENCY WAS THE REASON WHY WE NEEDED TO GET CLOSE TO THAT HOUSE. AND WHAT WE USED WAS WE HAD A PATROL VEHICLE WITH AN OFFICER DRIVING THAT VEHICLE. THE CHALLENGE IS A PATROL VEHICLE ISN'T ARMORED. AND SO WHAT WE HAD WAS PROVIDING COVER FOR, FOR OUR SRT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY FOR THAT DRIVER TO GET US CLOSE. SO, SO THEN HOW DID THE SRT GET THERE? OH, SO THE SRT ARRIVED AT THE SCENE. SO EACH OFFICER, UH, ARRIVED IN THEIR OWN VEHICLES, UM, AND THEY BROUGHT THEIR EQUIPMENT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE THOUGH, IS WE'VE REPURPOSED THE VEHICLE THAT WE [01:05:01] CURRENTLY HAD THAT WAS ONE OF OUR UNDERCOVER INVESTIGATION VEHICLES, AND WE'VE REPURPOSED THAT VEHICLE SO THAT IT COULD BE USED TO TRANSPORT EQUIPMENT FOR OUR SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAMS IF WE HAVE A CRISIS SUCH AS THIS IN THE FUTURE. SO IF WE HAVE A CRISIS, OUR SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM DOES NOT TRAVEL AS A UNIT. THEY EACH TRAVEL INDIVIDUALLY? YES. CURRENTLY IS THAT STANDARD? UM, IT'S NOT IDEAL. IT'S NOT IDEAL, BUT IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS TO, UH, BECOME MORE EFFECTIVE. AND WE'VE REPURPOSED THE VEHICLE TO PUT EQUIPMENT IN TO GET THE EQUIPMENT THERE, ALTHOUGH THE OFFICERS ARE USING ANOTHER VEHICLE TO GET THERE. WE HAVE A CRISIS, YOU KNOW, ON ONE SIDE OF THE TOWN. MM-HMM . WE'RE HOPING THAT THE SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM, EACH ONE OF THEM IS NOT INVOLVED IN SOMETHING ALREADY TO BE ABLE TO CONGREGATE AT THE SPECIFIC LOCATION. THEY'RE NOT TRAVELING TOGETHER, THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY. AND IT'S ONLY A HOPE THAT THEY'RE NOT BUSY TO GO SERVICE THAT THAT SCENE. CORRECT. SO TO YOUR POINT, SO WE HAVE SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM, UH, MEMBERS WHO ARE ON VIRTUALLY EVERY SHIFT. OKAY. AND SO, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE'S A CRISIS, A CALL OUT, THOSE THAT ARE ON DUTY WILL GO IN THEIR, THEY'LL GET THEIR VEHICLE AND THEY'LL GO TO THE SCENE. THOSE THAT ARE, THAT MAY BE OFF DUTY, THEY'LL GO AND THEY'LL GET THEIR SCENE, UH, GET TO THE SCENE AND THEIR VEHICLES. ONE OF THE DOWNSIDES IS TYPICALLY YOU, WHEN YOU DEPLOY YOUR SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM, YOU WANT TO DEPLOY THEM AND THE EQUIPMENT TOGETHER, AND YOU'LL FIND THAT AGENCIES WILL HAVE THE VEHICLES TO DO THOSE THINGS, TO GET THEM THERE TOGETHER. UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH, UM, WITH THE HUDDLE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN BE MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE ON SCENE, UM, ONCE WE GET THERE. WE'RE, WE'RE EFFECTIVE AT THAT POINT. BUT JUST TO UNDERSTAND, AND I DON'T MEAN TO BELABOR THE OH, NO, NO, THE TOPIC, BUT IF THERE'S A CRISIS, EVERYONE'S TAKING THEIR OWN VEHICLE THAT IS NOT ARMORED TO THE SCENE, THEY POTENTIALLY HAVE TO WAIT FOR EVERYONE ELSE TO SHOW UP. SO THAT CRIME SCENE CONTINUES TO BE A HAZARD TO NEIGHBORS, TO THE PUBLIC IN, AT LARGE UNTIL HOW MANY MEMBERS OF THE SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM NEED TO GET TO THE SCENE BEFORE YOU CAN BREACH THE YES, SIR. POTENTIALLY. POTENTIALLY, YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. BUT I MEAN, IN A LARGE CITY, YOU MIGHT HAVE A DEDICATED RESPONSE TEAM THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY DO, IS THEY RESPOND TO INCIDENT AND WE'RE SMALLER. AND SO WE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE WEARING MULTIPLE HATS AND ARE DOING OTHER JOBS, AND THEN WHEN A CRITICAL INCIDENT COMES UP, THEY HAVE TO RESPOND. AND WE COULDN'T HAVE THEM ALL IN ONE PLACE ALL THE TIME, BECAUSE THEN THEY WOULDN'T BE DOING OTHER, OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED THEM TO DO IN THE CITY. SO IT'S A BALANCE. AS WE GROW, I THINK WE NEED TO GROW INTO BEING ABLE TO HAVE SOME OF THE THINGS TO, TO RESPOND MORE EFFECTIVELY. BUT WHAT, WHAT I SAW FROM THAT VIDEO WAS IT REMINDED ME OF SOMETHING I HAD READ RECENTLY WHERE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES PEOPLE THINK IN A DISASTER, THEY'LL RISE TO THE LEVEL THAT'S NEEDED TO GET THE JOB DONE. AND THE REALITY IS THAT YOU FALL TO THE LEVEL OF YOUR TRAINING. YES, SIR. AND IT'S VERY CLEAR FROM WATCHING THAT VIDEO THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF TRAINING MM-HMM . THAT WENT INTO THAT RESPONSE AND THE WAY THEY, THEY PERFORM THEIR JOB AND EVERYTHING. YOU KNOW, IT CAN SEEM SOMETIMES LIKE A LOT YES, SIR. IF YOU DON'T KNOW. BUT IF THAT PERSON HAD BEEN SHOOTING WHEN THEY ENTERED, ALL THAT WOULD'VE BEEN NE WOULD'VE BEEN 100% NECESSARY. SO IT WAS, IT WAS VERY WELL EXECUTED. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD ALL BE PROUD OF THE JOBS THAT THEY'RE DOING AND THE WORK THAT THEY PUT IN TO, TO REACH THAT POINT WHERE THEY CAN, THEY CAN HANDLE A SITUATION LIKE THIS. YES, SIR. AND TO YOUR POINT, WHEN IT COMES TO HAVING THE OFFICERS THAT DEPLOY, WHEN I FIRST STARTED AT HU POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE HAD A SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM, BUT THERE WASN'T A TRUE DEDICATION TO MAKING SURE THAT, THAT, THAT THAT UNIT WAS FULLY FUNCTIONALLY EFFICIENT. MY POSITION IN PHILOSOPHY WAS, IF YOU HAVE IT, YOU CANNOT UNHA IT. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INVESTING AND WE'RE NOT RELYING ON A REGIONAL RESPONSE TEAM, WHICH, WHICH SOME AGENCIES THAT DON'T HAVE A SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM HAVE. WE BELIEVE HU DESERVES MORE, AND WE NEED THAT RAPID RESPONSE. SO IF THERE IS A CRISIS, WE DON'T WANNA WAIT FOR OFFICERS FROM OTHER CITIES TO COME AND, AND JOIN. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE OUR OWN THAT ARE EQUIPPED, AND THAT RESPONSE TIME IS QUICK AND THEY'RE, WE'RE EFFECTIVE, AND WE TRAIN TOGETHER ALL THE TIME, AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT QUALITY OF SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND WE UNDERSTAND IT'S EVOLVING, AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE PREPARED TO EVOLVE AND, AND, AND ADJUST AND PIVOT IN WHATEVER DIRECTION WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE CAN CONTINUE TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. YES. I WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR THE PROFESSIONAL RESPONSE THAT WE SAW IN THE VIDEO, BUT KNOWING SOME OTHER THINGS IN THE ACTIVITY LIKE JUNE 1ST AND THINGS. I MEAN, [01:10:01] I JUST WANNA APPLAUD HOW PD RESPONDS, AND I KNOW THERE WAS A DEATH MAYBE SIX MONTHS AGO, UM, AND THEN MAYBE MURDER SUICIDE. HOMICIDE SUICIDE, AND THEN, UM, A SHOOTING. AND THEN THIS, I JUST, I MEAN, TO ME, THERE'S A DEATH IN, IN TWO OF THESE, UH, INSTANCE, I'M BRINGING IT UP, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S A SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES. YES, SIR. AND SUCCESSFUL MEANT THAT IT'S, IT'S MITIGATED. THERE ARE NO INNOCENT CITIZENS OR NEIGHBORS, DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, NO OFFICERS INVOLVED WITH ACROSS, ACROSS TEAM, ACROSS COUNTY, ACROSS JURISDICTIONS. THERE'S SUCCESS THERE. SO I JUST WANNA APPLAUD THAT, THAT THE TRAINING, THE OFFICERS, UH, THE EQUIPMENT, I KNOW YOU CAN HAVE MORE OFFICERS, MORE EQUIPMENTS THING THAT, THAT THAT CAN CHANGE SOME THINGS LIKE RESPONSE TIMES. BUT I JUST WANNA SAY THE OUTCOMES, THE OUTCOMES ARE, ARE, I JUST WANNA APPLAUD THAT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY YOU, I'M LOOKING AT THE DATA THAT YOU, UH, ON THE CRIME STATS, UM, AND THIS IS YEAR, YEAR TO DATE CHANGE OVER YEAR. AND IT SAYS THE CA THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC STOPS DROPPED ABOUT 12%, AND THE TOTAL CITATIONS DROPPED 13%, AND TOTAL WARNINGS DROPPED 12%. SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE, THERE ARE FEWER STOPS ABOUT 10 TO, YOU KNOW, 12 TO 13%. CAN YOU, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, ATTRIBUTE THAT WHY WE'RE HAVING FEWER STOPS? SO THERE, THERE'S A VARIETY OF REASONS FOR THAT. SO WHEN YOU HAVE, WHEN YOU HAVE OFFICERS THAT ARE, SAY, ON PATROL AND DURING PEAK TIMES THIS STUFF, IT, IT, IT CHANGES. SO THERE MAY BE A DAY WHERE YOU HAVE AN, UH, A SHIFT THAT MAY HAVE 75 CALLS. SO THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE DOWNTIME THAT THEY WOULD NORMALLY HAVE TO FILL THAT WITH DOING PATROL, RIGHT? SO THEIR RESPONSE TIME IS GOING FROM CALL TO CALL OR GOING AND DOING REPORTS. SO THEY DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY TO GO OUT AND BE, UH, A TRAFFIC ENFOR, DO TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT OR BE A DETERRENT. SO THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL DEAL, YOU'LL SEE. SO IF YOU'VE GOT A SHIFT THAT, SAY FOR EXAMPLE IF PEAK SHIFT OR IF YOU FULL STAFF, YOU'VE GOT SEVEN, BUT BECAUSE YOU'RE RUNNING MINIMUM STAFF AT FOUR, YOU JUST SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE BANDWIDTH TO, TO GO OUT AND BE FULLY, UH, DEDICATED TO WORKING TRAFFIC. YOU'RE RESPONDING TO FROM CALL TO CALL. SO WE'VE, WE'VE EXPERIENCED THAT QUITE A BIT WHEN WE'VE GOT PEOPLE IN TRAINING AND TRYING TO GET THEM PREPPED AND READY TO, UM, MOVE INTO OTHER, UH, AREAS TO PROVIDE THAT SUPPORT FOR. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE REASONS WHY YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S A SATIONAL AND VARIETY OF I SEE THE CALLS AT THAT TIME. YES, SIR. UM, I, I'VE BEEN DIGGING A LITTLE BIT INTO IT AND IT WITH PD, UM, I KNOW THAT YOU REALLY JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAVE A NINE TO FIVE GUY. HE DOES A GREAT JOB AND EVERYTHING. SO IF VEHICLES ARE SITTING THERE, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN IT 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF VEHICLE WORK BY IT. IN FACT, I THINK THE PD IT SPENDS MOST OF HIS TIME WITH THE VEHICLES IS THAT IMPAIRING GETTING, GETTING RESOURCES OFFICERS VEHICLES DEPLOYED. IT, IT, IT, IT CREATES , IT CREATES A CHALLENGE. SIR, THAT'S A YES. , THAT'S, THAT'S A YES. IT DOES. IT CREATES A CHALLENGE. SO WE HAVE ONE PERSON WHO IS, OH MAN, HE IS, HE EXTRAORDINARY. HE IS EXTRAORDINARY. BUT IN ADDITION TO HAVING THE RESPONSIBILITY OF HANDLING THE TECHNOLOGY INSIDE THE VEHICLES, INSIDE THE DEPARTMENT, THE VEHICLES ARE A ROLLING COMPUTER WITH MANY DIFFERENT TOOLS AND TECHNOLOGICAL, UH, ASSETS THAT WE HAVE. SO HE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR MAKING SURE THOSE THINGS ARE PROVIDED, UH, ARE, ARE, ARE CONTINUOUSLY WORKING. I SEE HIM REGULARLY OUTSIDE WITH THE, THE DOORS AND THE, THE TAILGATE UP ON VEHICLES AND FIXING AND, AND RUNNING WIRES AND TESTING HE'S DOING. AND THAT'S ONE PERSON IN A DEPARTMENT THAT HAS ABOUT 60 PLUS UH, VEHICLES. RIGHT. AND SO IT, IT DOES CREATE A CHALLENGE, BUT, UM, HE, THE BEAUTIFUL THING ABOUT IT, ONE THING THAT PEOPLE WILL SEE IS OUR PEOPLE IN OUR DEPARTMENT, THEY, THEY DO THEIR JOB AND THEY JUST DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT IT. . AND JUST BECAUSE YOU MAKE IT LOOK EASY DOESN'T MEAN IT IS. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DO AND THAT'S WHAT HE DOES AS WELL. WELL, I JUST KIND OF WANT TO, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL CLOSE THIS UP QUICKLY. DING DING. UM, IS THAT I JUST WANNA PLANT A SEED THAT HAVING ANOTHER FTEA PERSON FULL-TIME IN IT DEPARTMENT THAT CAN FOCUS ON PD SPECIFICALLY KEEPING THE CARS ON THE ROAD AS LONG AS EVERYTHING ELSE THEY DO, IT ALSO WILL HELP WITH, I THINK WITH IT FOR THE CITY, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE STAFF THERE, WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE FTE AT TIMES WORKING FOR PD, WHICH TAKES AWAY THAT ONE FTE THAT'S WORKING ON THE CITY ISSUES. YEAH. SO ANYWAY, JUST PLANTING A SEED THAT I WOULD, I WOULD SUPPORT ANOTHER IT PERSON WITH PD TO HELP YOU WITH YOUR RESOURCES, KEEPING YOUR RESOURCES ON THE, ON THE STREET. YES. BOTH THE OFFICER EQUIPMENT AND, AND THE VEHICLES. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THANKS CHIEF. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. YOU TOO. [01:15:01] ALL RIGHT, NEXT WE HAVE ITEM NEXT ITEM NINE [9.2. Presentation and discussion with consideration and possible action on water and wastewater rate study by Willdan Financial Services. (Alberta Barrett)] TWO, PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION WITH CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON WATER AND WASTEWATER RATE STUDY BY DEN FINANCIAL SERVICES. THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNSEL, ALBERTA BARRETT, FINANCE DIRECTOR FOR THE RECORD. SO AT A PRIOR MEETING, I BELIEVE THE, IN PART OF JULY, WE BROUGHT A RATE STUDY PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL. AND BASED ON THAT DISCUSSION, WE WERE ASKED TO COME BACK WITH SOME DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND LOOKING AT MAYBE A LESSER IMPACT ON OUR RESIDENTIAL CATEGORIES AND LOOKING MORE TO OUR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL AREAS. SO TONIGHT WE HAVE JASON BACK WITH US, WITH WELDON INDUSTRY OR FINANCIAL SERVICES TO, UM, PRESENT THE REVISED RATE STUDY. JASON, THANK YOU ALBERTA MAYOR COUNCIL, AGAIN, MY NAME IS JASON GRAY, FOR THE RECORD, UH, WILL ADD FINANCIAL SERVICES 5,500 DEMOCRACY DRIVE IN PLANO, TEXAS. UM, THE BACKGROUND SLIDES OF THIS PRESENTATION HAVE NOT CHANGED. UH, THEY'RE THE SAME THAT WE WENT THROUGH A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA GO OVER THOSE FAIRLY QUICKLY TONIGHT. UM, WE DID INCLUDE THEM IN THE PACKET FOR THE PUBLIC GENERALLY, IF THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO HEAR THE FIRST PRESENTATION, BUT I'M NOT GONNA SPEND MOST OF THE TIME ON THOSE. MOST OF THE TIME I'M GONNA SPEND ON THE THREE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVE SCENARIOS THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED IN RESPONSE TO, UM, THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD AT THE LAST, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING. AND WE'VE DONE THAT ALONGSIDE STAFF AS WELL. SO, UM, WITH THAT, AGAIN, UM, I'M GONNA KIND OF GO THROUGH THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION RELATIVELY QUICKLY HERE. UM, JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, WATER WASTEWATER RATES ARE GOING UP RAPIDLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY. IT'S NOT JUST REGIONALLY, ALTHOUGH CENTRAL TEXAS CERTAINLY HAS ITS SHARE OF, UM, WATER COST INCREASES. RATE ADJUSTMENTS ARE PRIMARILY DUE TO ISSUES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE DIRECT CONTROL OF UTILITIES AT LEAST, UH, THAT OFTEN HAS TO DO WITH WATER RIGHTS, UM, AVAILABILITY OF WATER, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS, WHICH ARE, UM, INCREASING, UM, ALMOST EXPONENTIALLY, QUITE FRANKLY. UM, AVERAGE UTILITIES HAVE BEEN INCREASING THE RATES AT ABOUT FIVE TO 6% A YEAR. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WHEN WE DO COMPARISONS, 30 TO 40% OF UTILITIES CHARGE RATES THAT DON'T FULLY COVER THEIR COSTS. OUR GOAL, UH, WITH YOU IS TO PRESENT A RATE PLAN TO YOU THAT DOES FULLY COVER COSTS TO ENSURE THE LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY OF PROVIDING WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICES IN A QUALITY FASHION TO THE COMMUNITY. UM, OVER THE LONG HAUL, CURRENT RATES WENT INTO EFFECT IN JUNE OF 2024. PREVIOUS RATE INCREASE PRIOR TO THAT WAS IN 2018. AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COMPOUNDING COMPONENT OF RATE INCREASES, UM, WE GENERALLY, UM, ADVISE COMMUNITIES TO DO A A LITTLE BIT EACH YEAR AS OPPOSED TO GOING SEVERAL YEARS IN BETWEEN RATE INCREASES, UM, BECAUSE THOSE COST, UM, COMPONENTS DO CONTINUE TO ADD UP OVER TIME JUST LIKE THEY DO IN ANY, IN ANY TYPICAL HOUSEHOLD. UM, IF YOU, IF THOSE OF THOSE OF YOU THAT, UH, THAT THAT WORK, UH, UH, AND ARE NOT RETIRED, IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, GO SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS WITHOUT ANY KIND OF AN INCREASE, YOUR COST INCREASES DON'T, UM, CHANGE JUST BECAUSE YOUR SALARY DIDN'T CHANGE. AND SO THE SAME, THE SAME KIND OF ISSUE HAPPENS WITH UTILITIES. OFTENTIMES COMMUNITIES ARE RELUCTANT TO RAISE UTILITY RATES, BUT THE REALITY IS, UH, COST INCREASES DO TEND TO CONTINUE TO GO UP AS A COMMUNITY GROWS. IT DOES ALLOW FOR, UM, SOME OF THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING BECAUSE UTILITIES ARE, UM, THE KIND OF INDUSTRY WHERE THE MORE YOU'RE SELLING, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE PER UNIT COST COMES DOWN. AND SO YOU HAVE SOME ABILITY TO DO THAT WITH GROWTH. HOWEVER, GROWTH IS ALSO EXPENSIVE. UM, IT REQUIRES NEW INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE PUT IN THE GROUND. AND LIKE MOST TEXAS COMMUNITIES THAT ARE GROWING, YOU HAVE THE COMBINATION OF BOTH GROWTH RELATED, CIP AS WELL AS REPLACEMENT RELATED CIP BECAUSE YOUR COMMUNITY HAS BEEN HERE, UH, A FAIR WHILE, UM, ALTHOUGH IT'S MOST OF ITS GROWTH HAS BEEN SEEN OVER THE LAST DECADE OR SO. UM, THERE, THERE IS OLD INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, WITHIN THE GROUND THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AS WELL. UH, WE WON'T GO INTO DETAIL, UM, IN MUCH DETAIL, AT LEAST ON THE CURRENT RATE STRUCTURE, JUST TO MENTION THAT YOU DO CURRENTLY HAVE A METER SIZE BASED, UM, BASE RATE, UH, ON A MONTHLY BASIS. UM, AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE VOLUME, TIERED STRUCTURE FOR RESIDENTIAL. YOU'VE GOT, UH, FOUR TIERS TODAY. THE ALTERNATIVES THAT WE'LL SHOW YOU TONIGHT, UM, EXPAND THE NUMBER OF TIERS AND ALSO EXPAND THE AMOUNT OF SPACE IN BETWEEN THOSE TIERS. AND I'LL GET INTO THE DETAIL ON THAT HERE IN A MOMENT. UM, BUT TODAY YOU'VE GOT A FIRST TIER OF VOLUME AT, UH, ZERO TO 5,000 GALLONS. FIVE TO 12,000 GALLONS IS A SECOND TIER, 12 TO 25 AND 25 AND ABOVE. YOUR NON-RESIDENTIAL IRRIGATION [01:20:01] AND CONSTRUCTION HAVE DIFFERENT TIERING STRUCTURES, AND THAT'S, THAT'S COMMON. UM, THE REALITY IS YOU PLACE THOSE VOLUME TIERS IN PLACE, GENERALLY SPEAKING, TO TRY AND DRIVE CONSERVATION. CONSERVATION WORKS GENERALLY SPEAKING PRETTY WELL FOR RESIDENTIAL, UH, BECAUSE THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER THAT GETS USED INSIDE THE HOME AND THERE IS A SIGNIFICANTLY MORE AMOUNT OF WATER, UH, IN THE SUMMERTIME, AT LEAST IN TEXAS, THAT GETS USED OUTSIDE OF THE HOME ON IRRIGATION. UH, WHAT COMMUNITIES HAVE SEEN IS THAT, UM, OFTENTIMES THAT IRRIGATION, THAT RESIDENTIAL IRRIGATION WILL DRIVE THE NEED FOR NEW INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SO THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AND SO, UM, WHAT MANY, MANY COMMUNITIES, UH, PARTICULARLY IN THE SOUTH AND AND, UH, ESPECIALLY IN TEXAS HAVE DONE IS MOVE TOWARDS THIS CONSERVATION STRUCTURE WHERE THE MORE YOU USE, THE MORE YOU PAY. YOUR CURRENT WASTEWATER STRUCTURE IS SIMILAR, ALTHOUGH IT DOES NOT HAVE, UH, VOLUME TIERS. THERE IS A BASE RATE THAT'S BASED ON THE WATER METER SIZE AND THEN ALSO VOLUME RATE, UH, FOR ALL VOLUME USED. YOUR RESIDENTIAL DOES HAVE, UM, CURRENT WINTER QUARTER AVERAGE. SO THERE, THE SEWER VOLUME IS BASED ON THE THREE LOWEST MONTHS OF WATER USE. WHEN WE LOOK AT YOUR COMPARISON, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, UM, AGAIN, SOMEWHERE AROUND A THIRD OF ALL UTILITIES CHARGE RATES THAT DON'T FULLY COVER THEIR COSTS. WHEN WE LOOK AT A TYPICAL, UH, 5,000 GALLON WATER AND WASTEWATER CHARGE IN HU DO TODAY, THEY PAY ABOUT $121 AND 84 CENTS. YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT FALLS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE ROUGHLY, UH, UM, COMPARED TO THE, THE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT COMPARISON COMMUNITIES THAT WE'VE GOT HERE, PFLUGERVILLE ON THE HIGH SIDE AT 1 67, 55 BRUSHY CREEK MUD ON THE LOW SIDE AT 68 50. THAT IS FOR BOTH WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICE. ON THE STATEWIDE, UM, PERSPECTIVE, THE AVERAGE FOR THAT LEVEL OF USE IS 83 0 6. UM, CENTRAL TEXAS, AGAIN, DOES HAVE, GENERALLY SPEAKING HIGHER RATES, UH, THAN PARTICULARLY IN THE, IN THE, THE, UH, RIO GRANDE VALLEY, WHICH HAS VERY LOW RATES. UM, AND THAT LARGELY HAS TO DO WITH THE ACCESS TO THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT THEY HAVE CUSTOMERS AND VOLUMES, AGAIN, I WON'T GO INTO INTO A WHOLE LOT OF DETAIL ON THIS, BUT JUST RECOGNIZE YOU HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE SEWER CUSTOMERS THAN YOU HAVE WATER CUSTOMERS. UM, ABOUT 8,000 INSIDE RESIDENTIAL, UM, UH, WATER CUSTOMERS, WHICH MAKES UP THE BULK OF YOUR TOTAL WATER ACCOUNTS. AND YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 14,000, UM, TOTAL WASTEWATER ACCOUNTS, INCLUDING ABOUT 6,700 INSIDE THE CITY RESIDENTIAL. UM, AND YOU'VE GOT 2,500 FLAT SEWER IN THE, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE LISTED ON THE BOTTOM THERE. AND ABOUT 3,700, UH, JONAH WATER CUSTOMERS ARE ALSO SERVED BY YOUR SEWER SYSTEM, METERED WATER USE BY CUSTOMER CLASS. AGAIN, THIS IS A POINT THAT I BROUGHT OUT LAST TIME, INSIDE RESIDENTIAL COM, INSIDE RESIDENTIAL USE TAKES UP ABOUT 66.4% OF YOUR TOTAL WATER USE. AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT STATISTIC FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF AS COSTS INCREASE AND AS UTILITIES NEED TO INCREASE THE REVENUE ASSOCIATED TO COVER THOSE COSTS. WHEN YOU HAVE A, A PIE CHART THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE THEY MAKE UP THE MAJORITY OF OVERALL USE DOES HAVE TO BEAR SOME OF THE BURDEN OF THOSE ADDITIONAL COSTS AS WELL. AS WE LOOK, UM, OUT, WE HAVE, UH, PROJECTED THE, THE GROWTH, UM, OF THE COMMUNITY ALONGSIDE YOUR STAFF, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING TOO FAR AHEAD OF THE GROWTH. UM, WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A, A REASONABLE ESTIMATE OF GROWTH. AND WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER OUR RATE PLANS, IT DOES ACCOUNT FOR, UM, NOT ONLY GROWTH IN COSTS, BUT GROWTH IN CUSTOMERS AS WELL, WHICH AGAIN DOES HELP TO OFFSET THE PER CUSTOMER COST CONSUMPTION. ON THE WATER CONSUMPTION SIDE, WE DO THE SAME THING AND WE, UH, FORECAST THAT YOUR CONSUMPTION WILL MOVE UP FROM ABOUT 816 MILLION GALLONS IN WHAT WE CALL OUR TEST YEAR OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS, UP TO 1.369 BILLION GALLONS. SO SOME OF THE KEY ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE'VE GOT HERE, AGAIN, THESE HAVEN'T CHANGED, UH, YOUR MAIN WATER SOURCE IS GROUNDWATER WATER PURCHASE FROM CITY OF TAYLOR AND MANVILLE WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION WATER PURCHASES FROM RECHARGE ARE SCHEDULED TO BEGIN NEXT YEAR, FEBRUARY OF 2026. THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT NEW COST, UM, THAT YOU'LL BE EXPERIENCING. AND THAT NEW COST, UH, HAS AN A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE, ON THE RATE PLAN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT. AND THEN ALSO THE WATER RIGHTS RESERVATION CONTRACTS WITH EPCOR AND RECHARGE, UM, HAVE REMAINED UNCHANGED. SO AS WE LOOK AT THE COST DRIVERS, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE, I THINK THAT THE, UM, THAT THE, THE, THE LARGEST COMPONENT BETWEEN 2025 AND 2026, [01:25:01] YOU SEE THERE, UM, GOES FROM ZERO IN 25 UP TO 4.1 MILLION, THE GRAY PORTION OF THE BAR, AND THAT'S THE RECHARGE WATER, UM, THAT YOU'LL BE PURCHASING. YOU, YOU NEED ACCESS TO ADDITIONAL WATER SOURCE, NOT SUGGESTING BY ANY STRETCH THAT YOU DON'T. UM, HOWEVER, UM, LOOKING AT THAT AND SEEING AN ADDITIONAL $4.1 MILLION COMING ONLINE, UH, FROM THAT, UM, COST COMPONENT ALONE, UH, OBVIOUSLY CREATES A NEED TO GENERATE SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO COVER THAT COST. THAT THEN GOES UP TO $6.4 MILLION IN 2027 PEAKS AT, UM, $7 MILLION BY 2030. AND WE ALSO ARE SEEING, YOU KNOW, SOME MODERATE INCREASES FROM THE OTHER WATER SUPPLY, UM, UM, PROVIDERS ESSENTIALLY, BUT RECHARGE IS THE, IS THE LARGEST COMPONENT OF THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT YOUR TOTAL COST TO SERVICE. UM, CIP IS A, IS A MAJOR COMPONENT. UM, YOUR TOTAL CIP OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS IS $232.2 MILLION. UM, TOTAL FUNDS AVAILABLE IS 175.5. AND SO SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE OUT YEARS, UM, UH, HAVE NOT YET BEEN FUNDED. UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT A FIVE YEAR RATE PLAN AS A 10 YEAR CIP. AND SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN FUTURE YEARS, WE'LL CONTINUE TO MATCH THE OUT YEARS OF THE CIP FORECAST BOND ISSUES. WE'RE LOOKING AT A $72.6 MILLION WASTEWATER DEBT IN NEXT, UH, NEXT YEAR, UM, BEING AUTHORIZED AND SOLD, THAT ALSO HAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON OVERALL RATES. UM, SO YOU'VE GOT THE RECHARGE WATER ON THE WATER SIDE, UM, DRIVING RATES AND THE BOND ISSUES ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE, DRIVING RATES, UM, 2027 CALLS FOR ABOUT ANOTHER $29 MILLION IN WASTEWATER DEBT. UM, A COUPLE OF RELATIVELY SMALL, UM, 8.4 AND 8.1 WATER, UM, ISSUES IN 2028 AND 29, AND THEN ANOTHER 26.2 WASTEWATER, UM, UH, DEBT ISSUANCE IN 2029. AGAIN, THIS GOES TO FUND THE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT, UM, WE LISTED OUT IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION IN DETAIL. THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, A COMPONENT OBVIOUSLY OF YOUR OVERALL COST OF SERVICE. 25 TO 26 REMAIN RELATIVELY CONSTANT. UM, BUT WHEN YOU SELL DEBT IN 26, YOU START PAYING THAT DEBT SERVICE IN 2027. UH, THAT'LL COME WITH ABOUT A $5.2 MILLION PRICE TAG FOR 2027. SO 2026 HAS ABOUT 4 MILLION IN THE WATER SIDE FOR THE RECHARGE WATER. AND 2027 YOU'RE EXPERIENCING ABOUT 5.2 MILLION ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE FOR NEW DEBT SERVICE. AND SO AGAIN, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, YOU'VE GOT, UH, NOT ONLY A LOT OF FINANCIAL NEEDS COMING UP, UH, BUT YOU'VE GOT THEM UP COMING UP PRETTY QUICKLY WITHIN THIS RATE PLAN FORECAST OF FIVE YEARS. AND SO AS WE LOOKED AT THE RATE PLANS THAT WE PROPOSED, UM, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, YOU SAW THAT AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THAT WAS FRONT LOADED. UM, WE'VE GONE BACK, WE'VE LOOKED AT, WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE THAT LESS FRONT LOADED AND A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE MODERATE OVER THE COURSE OF TIME. WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED THAT TO SOME SMALL EXTENT. UM, HOWEVER, WHEN YOU'VE GOT ALMOST $10 MILLION OF, UH, NEW ADDITIONAL COSTS COMING ON WITHIN THE NEXT TWO YEARS, UH, WE'VE GOTTA MOVE QUICKLY ON RATES IN ORDER TO KEEP UP WITH THOSE COSTS. UH, THE FORECAST COST OF RECHARGE WATER, YOU CAN SEE THERE, THE RATE PER A THOUSAND GALLONS IN RED, UM, GOES FROM THREE 50 TO 360 1, UH, UP TO 3 94 BY 2030. AGAIN, THAT'S PER THOUSAND GALLONS. AND THE BLUE, UM, BARS, THERE ARE THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT WE EXPECT YOU TO SPEND 4.1 MILLION IN THE FIRST YEAR SIMPLY BECAUSE IT'S A PARTIAL YEAR. UM, AND THEN BECAUSE IT STARTS IN FEBRUARY AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A FULL FISCAL YEAR WORTH OF THAT RECHARGE WATER. UM, AND THEN THAT GOES UP TO JUST UNDER 6.4 MILLION IN 2027. THEN AS THE RATE INCREASES, THAT TOTAL AMOUNT, UM, WILL ALSO INCREASE. SO YOUR TOTAL WATER AND WASTEWATER COST OF SERVICE AND THAT'S, THAT JUST IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE A TOTAL, UM, AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IS GONNA BE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE. UM, TODAY IS ABOUT $37.8 MILLION. UM, WE SEE THAT FORECAST THAT TO GO TO 55.6 MILLION OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT PANS OUT OVER THE, OVER THOSE, UH, SPECIFIC YEARS. NOTE THAT THE OPERATING EXPENSES, WHILE THEY DO GO UP A LITTLE BIT, UM, LARGELY WITH THAT, UH, RECHARGE WATER, UM, IN BETWEEN 25 AND 26, THAT'S THE LARGEST COMPONENT OF THE OPERATING EXPENSE INCREASE. UH, THE DEBT SERVICE EXPENSE INCREASES, UH, START TO SHOW UP IN 27 AND THEN GET LARGER IN 28 AND THEN ALSO IN 29 WITH THOSE FUTURE DEBT ISSUANCES, SAME INFORMATION JUST IN A TABULAR FORMAT RATHER THAN, UM, GRAPHICALLY. ALRIGHT, I WENT THROUGH THAT RELATIVELY QUICKLY, BUT I'LL TALK NOW ABOUT A COUPLE OF, UH, THREE DIFFERENT NEW SCENARIOS THAT WE'VE UH, [01:30:01] DEVELOPED. UM, BASED ON THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD AND THEN FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH STAFF. UM, WE SETTLED IN ON ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT COULD BE DONE IN ORDER TO TRY AND PROVIDE SOME RELIEF, UH, TO RESIDENTIAL, UH, CUSTOMERS, AND THEN ALSO PARTICULARLY THE LOWEST USE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS. UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT, WE DID A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS. UM, WE HAVE INCLUDED 2000 GALLONS OF WATER, UM, IN THE BASE CHARGE. AND SO IF SOMEBODY USES 2000 GALLONS OR LESS, THEY PAY THE BASE CHARGE AND THAT'S IT. UM, THEY WON'T HAVE ANY VOLUME CHARGE WHATSOEVER. THIS IS A FAIRLY COMMON APPROACH TO TRY AND MITIGATE, UM, COST INCREASES FOR THOSE THAT ARE USING, UH, SMALL AMOUNTS OF WATER. 2000 GALLONS OF WATER IS NOT VERY MUCH AT ALL. UM, IT'S LESS THAN HALF OF YOUR CURRENT RESIDENTIAL AVERAGE OF 5,700 GALLONS ON A MONTHLY BASIS, BUT FOR A SINGLE PERSON THAT'S LIVING IN A HOME, YOU KNOW, RETIRED, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, UM, REALLY TRYING TO WATCH COSTS. THIS ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE MORE STABILITY IN THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT THEY'RE AMOUNT OF, UH, BILL THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE PAYING ON A MONTHLY BASIS, AS WELL AS, UM, LOOKING FORWARD TO TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN OVER THE LONG TERM ALTERNATIVE. A THAT WE HAVE HERE TONIGHT MAINTAINS YOUR EXISTING TIER STRUCTURE SO THAT ON THE VOLUME SIDE IT'S STILL, IT, IT'S, YOU'VE GOT THE 2000 GALLONS, SO IT'S NOT ZERO TO 5,000, IT'S TWO TO 5,000 GALLONS, AND THEN FIVE TO 12,000 GALLONS, 12 TO 25 AND 25 AND ABOVE. ALTERNATIVES B AND C CHANGE THE TIER STRUCTURE. UH, SO THAT THAT'LL BE ONE OF THE MAIN, UM, DIFFERENCES HERE. THE BASE CHARGES FOR EVERYTHING ABOVE ONE INCH. UM, WE HAVE, UH, MADE CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE AMERICAN WATERWORKS ASSOCIATION, UH, PUBLISHES A SCHEDULE ESSENTIALLY THAT IS DIRECTLY TIED TO HOW MUCH WATER CAN FLOW THROUGH DIFFERENT SIZED METERS. AND SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED, IN SOME CASES, THE LARGE METER BASE CHARGES IN PARTICULAR, YOU LOOK DOWN THERE AT A SIX INCH WATER METER, WHICH YOU'VE ONLY GOT A FEW OF ACROSS THE COMMUNITY, UH, TODAY THEY ONLY PAY A BASE CHARGE OF $974 AND 69 CENTS. WHEN YOU RUN THAT THROUGH THE A WWA EQUIVALENCY TABLE, THAT ACTUALLY IS ONLY ABOUT HALF OF WHAT THEY OUGHT TO BE PAYING BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT CAN FLOW THROUGH A SIX INCH METER COMPARED TO A FIVE EIGHT INCH METER. THAT IS THE TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL STANDARD. AND SO NOTE THAT, UM, IN ALL THREE OF THESE SCENARIOS THAT I'M PRESENTING TONIGHT, UM, THE BASE CHARGES FOR LARGER METERS GET HIGHER, UH, AND IN SOME CASES SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER NOW ON A SIX INCH METER, UH, WHILE INCREASING THE BASE CHARGE BY A THOUSAND DOLLARS, CERTAINLY IS A LOT. UM, SOMEBODY THAT'S GOT A SIX INCH METER IS PROBABLY PAYING A 20 TO $30,000 WATER BILL. AND SO IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL COMPONENT OF THEIR OVERALL WATER BILL, UM, PIECE TO IT. SO YOU JUST HAVE TO KEEP THOSE THINGS IN CONTEXT. A SIX INCH METER CAN FLOW A, A LOT OF WATER THROUGH IT, OBVIOUSLY. UM, SO AGAIN, THE, THE PRIMARY ISSUE HERE FOR ALTERNATIVE A IS INCLUDING THAT 2000 GALLONS, UM, IN THE BASE CHARGE, UH, FOR ALL CUSTOMERS AND ALL RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, I'M SORRY. UM, AND THEN CHANGING THE BASE, UM, THE BASE CHARGE STRUCTURE UP TO THE A WWA METER EQUIVALENCY RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, AND I WILL NOTE THAT ON THAT TOP LINE THERE WHERE IT SAYS 17% OR NEAR TOP LINE IN THE, IN THE, UH, LIGHTER BLUE 17% IN OCTOBER 25, AND THEN 10%, 3%, 3%, 3%, THE OCTOBER 25 NUMBER PERCENTAGE NUMBERS IN ALL THREE OF THESE SLIDES, UM, IS NOT DIRECTLY EQUIVALENT TO THE PERCENTAGE INCREASE BECAUSE WE'RE CHANGING, UM, MORE THAN ONE THING AT A TIME. UH, IT'S USED AS A BASELINE, UH, FOR THE VOLUME RATES. UM, BUT THE, UH, THE, UH, BASE CHARGES CHANGE AT DIFFERENT PERCENTAGES BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO MOVING IT UP TO THE A WWA RECOMMENDATIONS. SO UNDER ALTERNATIVE A, AND WE'LL SHOW THESE IN A, IN A, IN A SINGLE SLIDE, UM, LATER AS WELL. BUT UNDER ALTERNATIVE, A A 10,000, UH, GALLON RESIDENTIAL BILL, WHICH ABOUT 85% OF YOUR RESIDENTIAL BILLS ARE 10,000 GALLONS OR LESS. SO THIS, THIS HOLDS FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF YOUR CUSTOMERS, UH, OF YOUR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS. UH, THEIR BILL WOULD GO UP BY $11 AND 96 CENTS ON THE WATER SIDE. YEAR TWO, UM, EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 26TH FOR YOUR FISCAL 27 GO UP BY ANOTHER $9 AND 78 CENTS. AND THEN IT BEGINS TO BACK OFF CONSIDERABLY, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF PERCENT A YEAR, ABOUT 3% A YEAR. ON THE WATER SIDE. AGAIN, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT AND WE SEE, UM, 4 MILLION, $4.1 MILLION OF RECHARGE COSTS COMING ONLINE IN 2026, THAT INCREASING BY ANOTHER $2 MILLION IN 2027, UM, THAT'S DRIVING THE MAJORITY OF THESE RATE INCREASES. [01:35:01] UM, THAT, AND, UH, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET UP TO THE POINT OF WHERE THE UTILITY CAN MAINTAIN, UM, SOME FINANCIAL STABILITY OVER THE YEARS. JASON, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ON THAT SLIDE? YES. CAN I TAKE 41 40 FROM OCTOBER 25 MINUS THE 27 48? I GET MORE THAN 1196. YES. SO IF YOU'RE PAYING 27 48 NOW AND WE PASS OPTION A AND YOU GO TO 41 40, THAT'S JUST FOR THE BASE CHARGE. RIGHT? BUT BUT YOU'RE SAYING THE TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL BILL AND IT GOES UP 1196, THAT WOULD BE THE TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL BILL WOULD GO UP THE BASE CHARGE ON AVERAGE PLUS THE VOLUME INCREASE. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE MORE THAN $12, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE BASE CHARGE IS GOING UP 13.92. NO, IT'S, IT'S BECAUSE THE BASE CHARGE THAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE ALSO INCLUDES 2000 GALLONS OF YES. VOLUMETRIC USAGE IN THE BASE CHARGE TOO. SO THAT'S WHY IT DOESN'T END UP BEING AS MUCH MONEY AS, AS YOU FIRST THINK ON FIRST GLANCE. OKAY. SO THE 5 94 PERSON USES FIVE 5,000 GALLONS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 5 9 4 TIMES THREE TIMES THREE, WHEREAS BEFORE YOU HAD 5 0 8 TIMES FIVE FIVE. CORRECT. OKAY. RIGHT. AND SO WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO, THIS GOES UP A NICKEL A MONTH, WE'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT IT, SO I JUST MAKE SURE. RIGHT, EXACTLY. UM, AND, AND SO THAT'S SORT OF THE, THE TRADE OFF OF INCLUDING 2000 GALLONS IN THE BASE CHARGE. IS THAT BECAUSE YOU DO THAT FOR EVERYBODY? UH, ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, THAT'S A LOT OF WATER. THERE'S, I MEAN, MATHEMATICALLY THERE IS A WAY TO GET THERE OF HOLDING THAT SAME 27, 48 AND STILL INCLUDING THE FIRST 2000 GALLONS FOR EVERYBODY. BUT THAT WOULD MEAN YOUR VOLUME RATES HAVE TO GO UP ASTRONOMICALLY IN ORDER TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT. AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE HAD A, WE'VE SHOWN A BASE CHARGE HERE IN THIS CASE AGAIN, WHICH LOOKS AT AND SAYS, OKAY, WE'RE EFFECTIVELY PAYING FOR THE, THE PREVIOUS BASE CHARGE PLUS THE FIRST 2000 GALLONS, AND THEN BEGINNING TO HOLD THAT CONSTANT. UM, AND THEN THE 2000 GALLONS AND ABOVE, UH, 2000 TO 5,000 GOES FROM 5 0 8 TO 5 94. SO WE'LL SEE BOTH DIFFERENT BASE CHARGES AND DIFFERENT VOLUME RATES AND DIFFERENT TIERS IN THESE THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. SO THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT MOVING PARTS. UM, AND SO WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS SHOW A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE, A LOT OF THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS BECAUSE WE WANNA BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, A LOT OF NUMBERS SOMETIMES CAN GET A LITTLE OVERWHELMING. SO WE'RE TRYING TO SUMMARIZE THEM, UM, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN. ALRIGHT, ALTERNATIVE B UM, MAKES AN ADDITIONAL CHANGE AND IT ADDS TIERS, UM, TO THE VOLUME SIDE. SO LET ME GO BACK FOR A MOMENT. YOUR CURRENT TIERS, AGAIN, IF YOU INCLUDE THE 2000 GALLONS IN THE, IN THE BASE CHARGE, YOUR CURRENT TIER, ZERO TO 5,000, FIVE TO 12, 12 TO 25, AND 25 AND ABOVE, ALTERNATIVE B INCREASES THE NUMBER OF TIERS AND GOES FROM TWO TO FIVE, FIVE TO 10 RATHER THAN 12, 10 TO 15, 15 TO 20, 20 TO 30, AND 30 AND ABOVE. YOU'VE ONLY GOT ABOUT ABOUT 1%, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, OF YOUR RESIDENTIAL BILLS ARE 30,000 GALLONS AND ABOVE. SO THAT'S A VERY SMALL NUMBER. UM, HOWEVER, IT WOULD IMPACT SOME BILLS, UM, TO BEING OVER 30,000 GALLONS. WHAT WE DID HERE IS LOOKED AT AND SAID, THEN ALSO WE'RE SHOWING WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE RESIDENTIAL TONIGHT, BUT ALL OF THESE CHANGES THEN FLOW THROUGH INTO THE RES, INTO THE COMMERCIAL AND IRRIGATION, THE OUTSIDE CITY RATES, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. AND THEY'RE ALL TIED TO THESE RESIDENTIAL RATES, RECOGNIZING THAT, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL RATES. THAT'S WHY WE'RE FOCUSING PRIMARILY ON, ON THESE TONIGHT. BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENCES. WE'VE GOT THE BASE RATE STILL CONTINUING TO GO UP AT, UH, I THINK THE SAME AMOUNT OR A LITTLE LESS, I GUESS, IN ALTERNATIVE A, UM, AND THEN THE TIERS GO UP AT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME AMOUNT, BUT THE TIERS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, ARE SMALLER. AND SO FOR, AS THE, AS A USER STARTS USING 15, 20,000 GALLONS AS SOME USERS WILL, UM, THEY'LL START TO EXPERIENCE COST INCREASES MORE RAPIDLY THAN THOSE ON THE LOW END OF USE. AGAIN, YOUR AVERAGE USE YEAR, YEAR LONG WIDE IS, UH, 5,700 GALLONS, 85% OF YOUR BILLS ACROSS THE COURSE OF A YEAR ON A RESIDENTIAL, UH, STANDPOINT FALL BELOW 10,000 GALLONS. SO WHEN WE SHOWED 1116 HERE ON A MONTHLY BASIS, THE REALITY IS NOBODY USES 10,000 GALLONS EVERY MONTH OUT OF THE YEAR. THEY'LL USE 12,000 GALLONS IN THE SUMMER AND THEY'LL USE 5,000 GALLONS IN THE WINTER, GENERALLY SPEAKING, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. UM, BUT WHEN THEY USE 10,000 GALLONS, THAT'D BE $11 AND 16 CENTS INCREASE UNDER ALTERNATIVE B. YOU CAN SEE HERE WE'VE SHOWN THEN FOR THE [01:40:01] OUT YEARS AS WELL, IT GOES UP TO 1359 IN THE SECOND YEAR AND THEN DROPS TO IN THE TWO AND A QUARTER RANGE, UH, FOR YEARS THREE THROUGH FIVE. FINALLY, ALTERNATIVE C IS ONE WHERE WE HAVE TRIED TO KEEP THE, THE SMALLEST USERS COST DOWN AS MUCH AS WE REASONABLY CAN. AND SO THE BASE CHARGE STILL GOES UP TO 40 85. UM, BUT THOSE FIRST 5,000 GALLONS, INSTEAD OF GOING UP TO 5 79 AS IT SHOWS IN ALTERNATIVE B ARE AT 5 33. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT YOU HAVE TO THEN CHARGE MORE AT THE HIGH END IN ORDER TO MAKE UP THE REVENUE. ALL THREE OF THESE GENERATE APPROXIMATELY THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE IN EACH YEAR. AND SO THE QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU GET THERE AND HOW DOES THAT IMPACT USERS OVER TIME AS WELL? AND WE DID WANT TO SHOW NOT JUST THE FIRST YEAR IMPACT, UM, AS I DID IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, BUT REALLY THE, THE, THE OUTLOOK HERE, THE FIVE YEARS OF IMPACT. SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE C IT'S 8 31 IN THE FIRST YEAR, BUT IT GOES UP BY 15 IN THE SECOND YEAR AND THEN DOWN TO TWO OR TWO AND A QUARTER, UM, IN YEARS THREE THROUGH FIVE. IF I GO BACK, ALTERNATIVE B HAS A HIGHER INCREASE IN YEAR ONE, BUT A LITTLE LESS INCREASE IN YEAR TWO. ALTERNATIVE A HAS A MIDDLE, UM, INCREASE IN YEAR ONE, UM, AND THEN A LITTLE BIT LOWER INCREASE IN YEAR TWO, BUT THE YEARS THREE THROUGH FIVE INCREASES ARE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AS WELL. AND SO AGAIN, THE IDEA HERE IS NOT TO GENERATE MORE OR LESS REVENUE IN ANY ONE OF THESE SCENARIOS. THE IDEA IS TO MORE, MORE EFFECTIVELY TRANSLATE THAT COST IN WAYS THAT ARE DRIVING THE PUBLIC POLICY. WATER CON I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD, JASON. YOU DON'T HAVE ON THE, ON THE VOLUME, YOU DON'T HAVE THE PERCENTAGES BREAK BROKEN OUT FOR RESIDENTS USAGE. DO YOU LIKE HOW YOU SAID ON ALTERNATIVE BI DON WITH 30,000? I DON'T THINK I'VE GOT THAT IN THE PRESENTATION. OKAY. UM, BUT WE DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION. OKAY. THAT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE JUST BECAUSE LIKE LOOKING AT ALL THREE OPTIONS, RIGHT? OPTION C TO ME LOOKS THE MOST APPEALING BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY USERS THAT GO ABOVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT MM-HMM . OF VOLUME RATE, AND SO KIND OF EVENING IT OUT THAT WAY WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE IN MY OPINION. UM, BUT IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF CITIZEN, UH, AS BEST YOU CAN, THE CITIZEN PERCENTAGE THERE, JUST SO WE COULD SEE, HEY, DOES THIS ACTUALLY MAKE SENSE? VERSUS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TAKING A SHOT IN THE DARK WITH HEY, YOU KNOW, 30,000 USERS, MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. YEAH. SO AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON THE MONTH, RIGHT? RIGHT. UM, AND, AND IT'D BE GOOD TO SEE THOSE TRENDS, YOU KNOW? SURE. YEAH. WE, AND, AND WE'VE GOT ALL THAT ON A MONTHLY BASIS, AND WE CAN SHOW YOU, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE IT INCLUDED IN THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT, OKAY. BUT WE CAN PREPARE A, A, A CHART THAT SHOWS, UM, ON A RESIDENTIAL BASIS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. OKAY. AND HOW MANY BILLS FALL WITHIN EACH ONE OF THOSE TIERS. OKAY. AND WE COUNT IT BY BILLS SIMPLY BECAUSE AGAIN, UM, A, A USER MIGHT FALL IN, IN ONE TIER, RIGHT? IN ONE MONTH, IN A DIFFERENT TIER IN ANOTHER MONTH. SO WE JUST COUNT IT, COUNT THE NUMBER OF BILLS AND JUST WITH, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT COMING. YEAH. UM, IT'D BE INTERESTING TO KIND OF SEE THOSE AND TRY TO PREDICT WHAT IS POTENTIALLY ON THE HORIZON AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, NEW NEIGHBORHOODS USERS, WHAT, WHAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE COULD PREDICT IN THE FUTURE. AND MM-HMM . ARE WE TRENDING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION? I THINK THAT'D BE REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE. YEP. YEP. WE CAN, AGAIN, WE CAN SHARE THAT. THANK YOU. SO I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, ALTERNATIVE C THAT HAS THE, THE LOWEST IMPACT, UH, TO THE LOW USERS, RELATIVELY LOW USERS AND, UM, IN THE FIRST YEAR, AND THEN A HIGHER IMPACT IN THE SECOND YEAR. IT ALSO, ALL OF THESE AFFECT COMMERCIAL DIFFERENTLY AS WELL. AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT HERE IN JUST A MOMENT. UH, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I'LL SAY IS THAT WE'VE NOT GENERATED ADDITIONAL SCENARIOS ON WASTEWATER. UH, WE KNOW WHAT THAT WASTEWATER COST IS. WE KNOW WHAT THAT DEBT, WHAT THOSE DEBT ISSUANCES ARE GOING TO BE. UM, WE DON'T HAVE TIERS TODAY IN WASTEWATER. IT'S A FLAT COST FOR ALL GALLONS USED, AND SO IT'S JUST A SIMPLER TYPE SYSTEM. UM, AND SO WE'VE STUCK WITH A, UH, PERCENTAGE INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR, UM, THAT WOULD THEN FOR WASTEWATER CUSTOMERS WOULD GO INTO EACH ONE OF, UM, THESE SCENARIOS AS WELL. SO I, I DID WANT TO POINT OUT, UM, AGAIN, WE TRIED TO SHOW, AND, AND I STRUGGLED WITH THIS TO SHOW THIS IN A CONCISE WAY THAT WAS ALSO TRANSPARENT. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE TWO, UM, CHARTS ON THE LEFT IS IN BLUE, IS WATER, AND IN THE GREEN IS WASTEWATER, UH, THAT'S PROBABLY FAIRLY SELF-EVIDENT. UM, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE THOUGH IS THE CHANGE, UM, IN YEAR ONE, YEAR TWO YEAR, YEAR THREE, YEAR FOUR, AND YEAR FIVE FOR A 10,000 GALLON RESIDENTIAL [01:45:01] WATER SERVICE. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU LOOK AT THE SCENARIO A HERE, IT'S, UH, JUST ABOUT $12 IN, UH, YEAR ONE, AND THEN IT GOES DOWN TO A LITTLE UNDER $10 IN YEAR TWO. THAT'S THE DARK BLUE LINE. SCENARIO B, YOU CAN SEE IT IS LOWER THAN SCENARIO A IN YEAR ONE, BUT HIGHER IN YEAR TWO. SAME THING WITH SCENARIO C, LOWER IN YEAR ONE, HIGHER THAN EITHER A OR B IN YEAR TWO. AND THEN YEARS THREE THROUGH FIVE ARE FAIRLY CONSTANT. A IS THE HIGHEST IN ALL OF THOSE. UM, BUT, UH, B AND C ARE PRETTY DARN CLOSE. UM, FOR, UH, YEARS THREE THROUGH FIVE, THE, UH, 5,000 GALLON RESIDENTIAL SEWER BILL, WHICH IS, UH, YOU'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WINTER AVERAGING PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE YOU'RE AT, UH, FOR A TYPICAL, UH, RESIDENTIAL BILL. SAME FOR ALL THREE SCENARIOS. SO AGAIN, UM, SAME, SAME BASIS THERE. WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT FROM A COMBINED PERSPECTIVE, WE LOOK AT A 10,000 GALLON WATER BILL AND A 5,000 GALLON SEWER BILL COMBINED. YEAR ONE IMPACT ON SCENARIO UNDER SCENARIO A, IT'D BE A LITTLE UNDER $20. UM, SCENARIO B, LITTLE LESS THAN THAT SCENARIO C, LITTLE LESS THAN THAT, STILL JUST OVER $15. UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT OVER TIME. THE REALITY IS, WHEN WE'VE GOT SIGNIFICANT COST INCREASES COMING IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SOME REVENUE GENERATED FROM ALL RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL. UM, IN THE SHORT PERIOD WHEN WE LOOK AT, UH, THIS IS THE SAME INFORMATION JUST TABULAR AND AT VARIOUS LEVELS AS WELL. SO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I'LL POINT OUT IS IF WE, IF YOU COMBINE BOTH WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICE FOR A 2000 GALLON USER, THEY GO FROM 87 61 TODAY UNDER SCENARIO A UP TO 96, 87, THAT'S THE HIGHEST, UM, IN YEAR ONE, AND THEN 1 0 7 11 IN YEAR TWO. SO FOR A 2000 GALLON USER, IT'S A $9 INCREASE ROUGHLY. UM, WHICH AGAIN, RECOGNIZING THAT 2000 GALLON USER, THAT'S LIKELY A FIXED INCOME, UM, KIND OF HOUSEHOLD. $9 A MONTH IS SIGNIFICANT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. UH, ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, $11 A MONTH THE FOLLOWING YEAR, ALSO SIGNIFICANT, IT DOES START BACKING OFF AFTER 28, 29, AND 30. WHEN WE PUT THESE TOGETHER AT 2000 GALLONS, 5,000 GALLONS, 10 AND FIVE, WHICH AGAIN IS A FAIRLY, IS A FAIRLY TYPICAL. WE ALSO WANTED TO SHOW THE COMMERCIAL IMPACT. SO A 20,000 GALLON USER, THEIR BILL WOULD GO UP SOMEWHERE IN THE, IN THE, UH, 65 TO $70 RANGE. UM, A 250,000 GALLON USER WOULD GO UP SOMEWHERE IN THE EIGHT TO $900 RANGE AND A 2.5 MILLION GALLON USER, WHICH IS ONE OF YOUR USE, UM, ONE OF YOUR HIGHEST USE CUSTOMERS. UM, THEIR BILLS WOULD GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY AS WELL. ANYWHERE FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, ABOUT $7,000 IN SCENARIO A, UM, UP TO ABOUT $9,000 IN SCENARIO C ON A MONTHLY BASIS. THAT'S PROBABLY THE EASIEST WAY TO ILLUSTRATE THE WAY THAT WE'RE, UM, RESTRUCTURING THESE RATES. UH, YOUR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS WITH THE LARGER METERS, THE LARGER METER SIZES TODAY ARE GETTING A RELATIVELY GOOD DEAL BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT CAN FLOW THROUGH THOSE METERS. UM, AND THE COMBINATION OF CHANGING THOSE BASE CHARGES AND THEN HAVING HIGHER VOLUME CHARGES AS WELL DOES PLACE MORE OF THE FINANCIAL BURDEN ONTO THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR AS OPPOSED TO THE RESIDENTIAL SECTOR UNDER ALL THREE OF THESE SCENARIOS THAN THE PREVIOUS ONES THAT WE SHOWED. UM, AND JUST RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT, THAT HAS AN IMPACT. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NO WAY TO, TO GENERATE MORE, UH, TO, TO, TO GENERATE, UH, LESS REVENUE FROM ONE SIDE OF THE EQUATION AND NOT GENERATE MORE FROM THE OTHER. SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF THE, THE SUMMATION OF THESE THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. A, B, AND C. UM, I DID WANT TO SHOW THOSE IN A, IN A CHART AS WELL. AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE AGAIN, ALTERNATIVE A, B, AND C, WE'VE GOT THE NUMBERS THERE. ON A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS, YOU'LL SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE LINES ON THE CHARTS TO THE RIGHT ARE, ARE NOT PROFOUNDLY DIFFERENT. UM, FOR SMALL USERS, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LOWER. UM, AND ALTERNATIVES A AND B THAN ALTERNATIVE C FOR A LOW USER, UM, AGAIN, TRACKED PRETTY CLOSELY ON A 5,000 GALLON USER PRETTY CLOSELY ON A 10,000 GALLON USER. BUT ONCE YOU START TO HAVE COMMERCIAL, IT TRACKS FAIRLY DIFFERENTLY. ALTERNATIVE A IS CONSISTENTLY LOWER THAN B OR C. AND AGAIN, THAT IS LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE'VE INCREASED THE TIERS ON THE RESIDENTIAL HAS AN IMPACT ON THE COMMERCIAL AS WELL. 250,000 GALLON USER, UM, A MORE DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE. AND, UM, [01:50:01] THE, THE SAME WOULD HOLD TRUE FOR THE TWO, TWO AND A HALF MILLION GALLON USER. SO, UM, I KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, A LOT OF NUMBERS. UM, WE'VE, WE'VE MADE THE EFFORT TO LOOK AND SEE HOW CAN WE DO A COUPLE OF, UH, ACCOMPLISH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT POLICY GOALS. ONE BEING HOW CAN YOU KEEP AS LITTLE OF THIS RATE INCREASE AS NECESSARY ON RESIDENTIAL USERS, AND PARTICULARLY THOSE RESIDENTIAL USERS THAT USE THE LEAST, UM, INCLUDING, AND, AND HOW CAN YOU PROVIDE FOR SOME ADDITIONAL BILL STABILITY, UM, FOR BOTH THE RATE PAYERS AS WELL AS FOR THE CITY IN GETTING THEIR, THE REVENUE IN, IN A, IN A MORE CONSISTENTLY STABLE WAY. AND SO ONE OF THE WAYS TO DO THAT IS TO INCLUDE SOME OF THE VOLUME IN THE BASE CHARGE. UM, THAT VOLUME THEN, UM, IS ALLOWED FOR USE. IF SOMEBODY STAYS UNDERNEATH THE 2000 GALLONS, THEY HAVE A CONSTANT BILL EACH MONTH, UH, THEY KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE, THEY CAN PLAN FOR IT. UM, AND THE ONLY REASON THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A HIGHER BILL THAN THAT IS IF THEY USE MORE THAN 2000 GALLONS, UH, TODAY. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY GALLONS INCLUDED IN YOUR BASE CHARGE. UH, SO THE FIRST GALLON OF WATER, THEY'RE, THEY BEGIN TO PAY FOR THAT AT, AT, AT TIERED RATE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE COMBINATION OF THESE DIFFERENT FACTORS OF HOW OR, OR HOW WE'VE COME UP WITH THESE THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. UM, THE, AGAIN, JUST VERY BRIEFLY SCENARIO A CHANGES THE METER BASED CHARGES FOR THE LARGER METER CHARGES IN THE SAME WAY THAT B AND C DOES, BUT IT KEEPS YOUR EXISTING RATES B AND C CHANGED THE NUMBER OF TIERS THAT YOU HAVE, GETS MORE FOCUSED ON CONSERVATION AND DOES HAVE A LARGER IMPACT ON LARGE USERS, BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. THAT ALLOWS FOR A LITTLE BIT SMALLER IMPACT ON THE LOWEST USERS. HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE GOT. THANKS, SIR. QUESTIONS? I, I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. I THINK VERY INFORMATIVE. UM, I APPRECIATE THE, THE FOCUS ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LIMITING THE IMPACT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN TO THE, UH, TO THE BUSINESS SIDE. UM, LOVE THE, THE OUTLOOKS, UM, AND THE PREDICTION MODELS. UM, WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT BREAKDOWN OF THE PERCENTAGE OF, UM, USAGE FOR, UH, VOLUME. UM, AND THEN, UM, EVERYTHING ELSE. I MEAN, GREAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. I OTHER ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. ALRIGHT. THANKS SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR [9.3. Presentation and discussion related to the First Amended and Restated Comprehensive Development and Consent Agreement for Lakeside MUD #9. (City Council)] NEXT GO ON ITEM NINE THREE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE FIRST AMENDED AND RESTATED COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT AND CONSENT AGREEMENT FOR LAKESIDE MUD NUMBER NINE. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UH, WITH THIS, DO I PRESS THE BIG BUTTON? NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. MY, MY NAME IS MATT TEMAN, I'M WITH TEAM AND LAND CATTLE DEVELOPMENT. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY, WE'RE A FAMILY OWNED COMPANY. TONIGHT WE'LL BE GIVING YOU A PRESENTATION ABOUT LAKESIDE MUD NINE. OKAY. JUST AN OVERVIEW OF OUR COMPANY. UH, WE'RE FAMILY OWNED LOCAL AND WE'VE BEEN OPERATING FOR 50 YEARS. WE'VE GOT 120 YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT EXPERIENCE IN OUR OFFICE. AND THEN COLLECTIVELY WE'VE DONE OVER 10,000 LOTS. UH, PRIMARY METHOD OF BUSINESS, UH, FOR DEVELOPMENT AT LEAST HAS BEEN, UH, W CIDS AND MUDS HAVE CREATED OVER 12 OF THOSE. AND WE'RE THE PRIMARY DEVELOPER FOR THE, UH, BLACK HAWK MASTER PLAN IN PFLUGERVILLE, WHICH STARTED IN THE YEAR 2000. UM, WE FOCUSED ON CREATING HIGH QUALITY COMMUNITIES. I HOPE THAT THAT'S YOUR OPINION AS YOU DRIVE THROUGH A BLACK HAWK. UH, WE ALSO, WE HAVE A, A, UH, A COW THERE. WE ALSO DO CATTLE RANCHING, SO THAT'S WHY WHERE THE CATTLE COMES FROM AND IT'S A GREAT BUSINESS COMBINATION. ANYWAYS, UH, JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A, I'M GONNA HAVE SOME MAPS LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION SO THAT'LL CLEAR, CLEAR UP SOME OF THE QUESTIONS. BUT THIS IS GONNA BE THE STORY OF LAKESIDE MUD NINE, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE AMENDED AND RESTATED AGREEMENT THAT YOU GUYS ARE DISCUSSING DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION. I THINK WE TELL THE STORY OF WHAT HAPPENED THAT HELPS KIND OF PUT IT TOGETHER FOR YOU. OKAY. SO, UH, A PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE PFLUGERVILLE ETJ, THE COMMUNITY BEING LAKESIDE MUD NINE. UM, AND, UM, THE CREATION WAS CONSENTED TO BY THE CITY OF PFLUGERVILLE. CITY OF PFLUGERVILLE ALSO AGREED THAT IF HUDA AG AGREED TO IT, THEY WOULD DO AN ETJ SWAP. SO WE BEGAN THE CREATION PROCESS FOR LAKESIDE BY NINE. WHILE THAT WAS HAPPENING, WE PURCHASED A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO THE EAST OF THAT THAT WAS IN THE HUD OETJ AND THE HUD OCCN. UH, AND THE REASON WHY WE PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY WAS TO DO A ISD BOUNDARY EXCHANGE, WHICH IS, FOR THE RECORD, EXTREMELY DIFFICULT, DON'T RECOMMEND IT. BUT WE WERE TRYING TO GET A SMALL PIECE OF HUD, OISD OUT OF, UH, PFLUGERVILLE I, OR SMALL PIECE OF HU ISD INTO PFLUGERVILLE AND A PIECE OF HUDU INTO PFLUGERVILLE, [01:55:01] YOU KNOW, SWAPPING THEM BASICALLY. UM, AND THEN WE BOUGHT ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY BEHIND THAT TO THE NORTH THAT ABUTTED TO BRUSHY CREEK AND ENABLED US, ENABLED THE POSSIBILITY OF A WASTEWATER SERVICE. SO MEDIUM DENSITY DEVELOPMENT. WE STARTED CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY OF HUDU. AND THE, UH, WHAT THE RESULT OF THAT WAS, WAS THE ORIGINAL CONSENT AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE DID WITH THE HUDA CITY COUNCIL IN, UH, MAY OF 2021. UM, BIG MO BIG MOVEMENTS ON THAT WAS THE ANNEXATION OF 456 ACRES INTO THE MUD. SO CONSENT TO THE ANNEXATION, THE ETJ SWAP HAPPENED, AND THEN A WHOLESALE WASTEWATER TREATMENT FROM THE CITY TO THE SOUTH, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. UM, I SPOKE ABOUT THE ISD BOUNDARY EXCHANGE. UM, IN, IN 2000 EARLY 2022, UH, THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST, UH, TWO TRACKS WERE PURCHASED BY INVESTORS NAMED AUSTIN KNOWN VENTURES. UH, THEY'RE ADJACENT REALLY DIRECTLY TO THE EAST, ADJACENT TO THE EAST. THEY'RE TO THE EAST OF THE MUD ISLAND LAND. UM, AND WE, THEY WANTED TO COLLABORATE WITH US AND SO WE MADE AN AGREEMENT, UH, TO INCLUDE THEM INTO THE BLACK HAWK COMMUNITY AND TO ASK FOR CONSENT TO INCLUDE THEM INTO MUD NINE. UH, WHICH ALSO INCLUDED, UH, UM, THE BLACK HAWK, HOA AND THE AMENITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON THE PFLUGERVILLE SIDE. OKAY, I'LL KIND OF CONTINUE HERE. UH, WE'RE REQUESTING YOU TO HAVE TWO PRELIMINARY PLANS. WE HAVE ONE PRELIMINARY PLAN THAT'S, UH, THE TLCD TRACKS THAT'S ALREADY COMPLETED. UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON OUR CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND FINAL PLATS. UH, FOR THE FIRST FOUR SECTIONS, THE DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA BE CALLED THE BLUFFS AT BLACKHAWK. LOT SIZES ARE FIFTIES, SIXTIES, SEVENTIES, AND ONE HUNDREDS PRELIMINARY TWO IS THE GNOME TRACKS. IT'S GONNA, THAT WOULD BE BLUFFS TWO, UM, AND LOT SIZE IS 45, 55, SEVENTIES AND NINETIES. I MENTIONED THEY'LL BE INCLUDED INTO THE PARK AT BLACK HAWK AND LAKESIDE, HOA. AND, UH, MUD NINE IS COOPERATING WITH THE ORIGINAL PFLUGERVILLE WCA AND MUDS, UH, FOR INCLUSION INTO ALL THE ORIGINAL BLACK HAWK AMENITY CENTER. SO WE'VE GOT, UH, ONE KIND OF WHAT I CALL SWISS ARMY KNIFE WITH A MEETING. SWISS ARMY KNIFE MEETING, UH, AMENITY CENTER WITH A MEETING ROOM. IT'S GOT A POOL, SMALL WORKOUT ROOM AND SOME OFFICES. UH, JUST COMPLETED A, UH, A 4,000 FOOT WORKOUT FACILITY, UH, WITH A POOL. AND IT'S GOT, ALSO GOT LIKE A WEWORK SPACE IN THAT AS WELL. AND WE'VE GOT SOME MORE STUFF PLANNED AS WE MOVE, UH, FURTHER TO THE EAST AND PFLUGERVILLE, UH, AND IN THE HUDU ETJ. OKAY. THIS IS A, UH, MAP OF, OF KIND OF A LOCATION MAP. IN THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN. ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, YOU HAVE THE SATELLITE VIEW JUST TO GET YOU DOWN TO WHERE IT IS. IF YOU GO EAST ON 79 SOUTH ON 1660 SOUTH ON JAKES HILL PAST, UH, BROOKLYN'S, UH, PAST THE, THE AMPHITHEATER BRUSHER CREEK PARK DOWN TO ROW LANE, THEN YOU MAKE A LEFT AND YOU GO EAST ON ROW LANE, YOU GET TO THE END OF ROW LANE AND THAT'S GONNA BE WHERE, UH, BLUFFS AT BLACK HAWK, UH, WILL BE. UM, IF COULD GO TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN. UH, TO THE NORTHWEST IS THE LOOK AT, AT BRUSHY CREEK ACREAGE LOTS. AND THEN KIND OF WRAPPING AROUND THEM IS THE, UH, BLUFFS ONE, UH, BLUFFS ONE PRELIMINARY PLAN. AND THAT'S THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. OKAY. SO THIS IS THE UPDATED CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT'S IN THE, THE, UH, AMENDED AND RESTATED IN RED IS THE TLCD TRACKS. THAT WAS WHAT IS IN THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN IN BLUE IS THE ADDITIONAL ANNEXATION REQUESTED IN PRELIMINARY TWO. THE G NO TRACKS TOTAL SIZE IS 1,888 LOTS. OKAY? THIS BREAKS OUT THE LOTS ON EACH SIDE. ON THE, UH, LEFT SIDE, PRE ONE, IT'S 929 LOTS. ON THE EAST SIDE IS PRELIMINARY 2 959 LOTS. THIS IS A SLIDE THAT SHOWS WHAT HAPPENED OR WHAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT IN REGARDS TO THE ETJ SWAP. AND I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP THAT'S GONNA HELP US MAKE MORE SENSE, BUT THE RED LINE IS THE OLD ETJ LINE PRE AGREEMENT AND THE ORANGE LINE IS WHAT IT WAS AFTER THE ETJ SWAP HAPPENED. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW HUDA AND PFLUGERVILLE SWAPPED THERE. AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE AREA CIRCLED IN RED. AND THE ETJ LINE IS CLEAN, KIND OF FOLLOWING THE COUNTY LINE. AND THEN THE DEVELOP, I THINK THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MISLABELED. IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE, THE, THE RED DOESN'T INCLUDE TO THE WEST, THE WESTERN HALF OF THAT BLUFFS ONE PRELIMINARY ISD BOUNDARY EXCHANGE. I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE NOT THE ISD, BUT IT'S IN THE AGREEMENT. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE. AND THEN AFTER, UM, THE ISDS AGREED, WE ALSO, UM, DEDICATED AN EMBEDDED ELEMENTARY SITE IN BLUFFS ONE. UH, AND THIS IS THE, THE, THE ADJUSTED SCHOOL BOUNDARY SITE. OKAY. THESE ARE THE DETAILS, UM, THAT I MENTIONED. WE DEDICATED 20 ACRE SITE, UH, WE'RE BRINGING UTILITIES TO THE SITE, HIGH-SPEED [02:00:01] INTERNET, UM, AND DRAINAGE WATER WASTEWATER. AND THEN WE'RE JUST CONTINUING COORDINATION WITH HISD, UH, FOR THE FUTURE ELEMENTARY CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN. THIS HAS BEEN TO THE PARKS BOARD AND APPROVED, UH, IT WAS SOME FROM SOME PREVIOUS DIRECTION. IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM COUNCIL HIGHLIGHTS ON THIS. IT'S THE SAME CONCEPT PLAN, JUST IN MORE ILLUSTRATIVE, UH, THE HIGHLIGHTS. UM, POCKET PARKS, THOSE CIRCLES ARE 1500 FOOT RADIUS. SO TRYING TO HAVE POCKET PARKS WALKABLE BY EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY. UH, WE'VE GOT OVER 10 MILES OF TRAILS PLANNED. UM, THREE WET DETENTION PONDS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO DO BECAUSE THE GROUNDWATER IS, UM, BECOMING LESS AND LESS, LESS, LESS AND LESS, UH, GOOD OR REALLY, IT'S NOT POTABLE AT ALL. BUT TO, TO GET TO GROUNDWATER IS VERY DIFFICULT. AND THEN OUR QUALIFYING PARKLAND, WHICH NOT DEDICATING THIS MUCH, BUT THE QUALIFYING PARKLAND THAT WE HAVE IS A 3.2 ACRES VERSUS THE REQUIREMENT THAT HUTTO HAS OF 44.3. OKAY. SO THERE USED TO BE BACK IN 2021, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS STILL EXISTS, SO EXCUSE ME, THERE WAS A, A MUD SLASH PIT POLICY. UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS IN THAT POLICY WAS COMMUNITY OR CITY BENEFITS. SO LIKE IF YOU BRING A MUD OR A PIT, YOU HAVE TO BE BRINGING SOME BENEFITS TO THE CITY. AND I KNOW THE MUD EXISTS, BUT I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH AND HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WILL ARE IN PLACE AND THEN WILL ALSO BE BENEFITS WITH THIS ANNEXATION. SO THE, THE, ONE OF THE BIG ONES IS WASTEWATER. REGIONALIZATION. WE'RE BUILDING A, UH, RATHER LARGE LIFT STATION THAT'S GONNA GO UNDER BRUSHY CREEK. UM, AND THEN THE KNOWN TRACKS WILL BE ABLE TO HOOK TO THAT AND GO UNDERNEATH BRUSHY CREEK. IF WE DON'T COOPERATE WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, THEN THEY HAVE TO EITHER BUILD THEIR OWN LIFT STATION OR EVEN WORSE AS THEY COULD TRY TO DO LIKE A-T-P-D-S PERMIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN YOU'RE IN THE, YOU'RE IN THE DISCHARGE PERMIT FIGHT. UH, WE ARE LOOKING TO PROVIDE LARGER, HOU LARGER HOUSING OP OPTIONS FOR, UH, MOVE UP RESIDENTS. SO A 60 FOOT LOT, UH, IS ABOUT THE SIZE THAT YOU CAN PUT IT THROUGH A THREE CAR GARAGE. SO IT'S LIKE A 3000 FOOT HOUSE. AND SO, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO HIT THE, THE, THE HIGHER END OF THE MARKET. I WOULDN'T SAY THE HIGH, HIGH END, BUT THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO. YOU START AT THE 50 AND THEN YOU MOVE UP. OKAY. THE DEDICATION OF, WE, WE HAVE IN THE AGREEMENT 70 ACRES OF PARKLAND TO THE MUD. UH, SO THE MUD MAINTAINS THE PARKLAND, UM, IS, IS THE REASON WHY, WHY IT'S GOING TO THE MUD. UM, AND THEN IT'S A LOT OF, IT'S NON-EXCLUSIVE. SO IT'S AVAILABLE FOR USE BY THE PUBLIC, MEANING ANYBODY CAN COME, PARK, WALK THE TRAILS, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THE EMBEDDED ELEMENTARY SITE IS INCLUDED IN THAT 70 ACRES. UH, IN THE AGREEMENT IS THE, UH, PAYING A TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE OF $4,000 AND A UTILITY INSPECTION FEE. SO IT'S PROVIDING SOME MITIGATION TO ROADWAYS IF THESE FOLKS TRAVEL INTO THE CITY. AND SOME FUNDS FOR THE GENERAL FUND WASTEWATER RATES, WHICH YOU, INTERESTING. YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT. SO THE WHOLESALE WASTEWATER CONTRACT THAT THE MUD CURRENTLY HAS WITH THE CITY IS THAT THE MUD PAYS THE OUTSIDE THE CITY WASTEWATER RATE. UM, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THE, THE MUD HANDLES ANY NON-ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT SERVICES ARE REIMBURSED BY THE MUD. SO LIKE, UH, IF ANY, ANYTHING THAT'S OUT OF THE ORDINARY WOULD BE CAUGHT, WOULD BE PAID FOR BY THE MUD, LESS, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE CITY WOULD QUOTE UNQUOTE MAKE MONEY IF YOU WANNA USE THAT NOMENCLATURE. IT'S BASICALLY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LESS OUT OF POCKET MONEY FOR THE CITY TO RUN IT THAN THEY WOULD SOMETHING THAT WAS, UM, JUST A REGULAR OUTSIDE THE CITY RATE. ADDITIONAL POINTS OF INTEREST, UM, THIS IS JUST PER, PER THE AGREEMENT, ANY CHANGES IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN GET, GET TO GO TO P AND Z AND COUNCIL, UH, RE ALL THE RESIDENTS ARE GONNA GET THE MUD NOTICE OF THE VOTED INDEBTEDNESS OF THE MUD, WHAT THE CURRENT TAX RATE IS. ALL THAT STUFF IS PER STATE LAW. WE COMPLY WITH THE UDC, THE HU OF UDC TO THE MAX EXTENT POSSIBLE, WHICH OBVIOUSLY SOMETIMES WHEN WILLIAMSON COUNTY OR TRAVIS COUNTY CONFLICTS, AND YOU HAVE TO KIND OF WORK THOSE OUT DURING PERMITTING. BUT COMPLIANCE OF THE HU OF UDC. AND THEN ALSO THERE'S A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT IN THE, UH, AGREEMENT. SO A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT IS IN BASICALLY AN AGREEMENT WHERE THE CITY CAN ANNEX THE MUD, UH, IN THE FUTURE. AND THIS SPA HAS A SUNDOWN PROVISION THAT GIVES A DEFINITE DEFINITE RETIREMENT OF THE MUD DEBT. SO IT'S NOT FOREVER THAT THERE'S MUD DEBT OUT THERE. THERE'S A LAST PAYMENT SCHEDULED. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY YOU CAN LIMITED PURPOSE ANNEX, LIMITED PURPOSE ANNEXATION IS AVAILABLE FOR THE CITY'S SALES AND USE TAXES. THESE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME BLACK HAWK HOUSES, UH, THAT WE THREW IN HERE. THAT'S WHAT WHAT YOU'D SEE FROM A 55 FOOT LOT. 'CAUSE I KNOW NOT EVERYONE [02:05:01] SPEAKS IN IN FRONT FOOT TERMS. THIS IS A 70, SO YOU'RE GETTING INTO MORE OF THE THREE CAR GARAGE. AND THEN THIS IS A, A 90 FOOT LOT, SO IT COULD BE UP TO AN 80 FOOT WIDE HOUSE. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THANKS, MATT. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? YEAH, MATT. UM, SO YOU SAID ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, SO ANYTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY BE PAID BY THE MUD, BUT HOW WOULD, HOW WOULD THE AMENDED AGREEMENT, HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT CITY RESPONSIBILITIES OR ANY SORT OF INFRASTRUCTURE OR SERVICES? 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE MOVING INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL. UM, BUT HOW WOULD, HOW WOULD THIS AMENDED AGREEMENT AFFECT THOSE THINGS? SO THE OBLIGATION'S STILL IN THE MUD TO DELIVER ESSENTIALLY A FORCE MAIN PIPE ONTO THE CITY PROPERTY. SO FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE CITY'S NOT PAYING ANYTHING. WE'RE COVERING THE COST OF THE LIFT STATION, AND IT GETS ALL PUMPED OVER TO THE, SO WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, WE'VE ACQUIRED THE EASEMENTS AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO INFRASTRUCTURE, NOTHING ON, ON THE RATES. THAT'LL BE PER THE WHOLESALE WASTEWATER CONTRACT, WHICH IS, IT'LL BE THE SAME. OKAY. IT'S JUST ADDING ON, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY ADDING ON UNITS. OKAY. NOW IT'S SUBJECT TO AN SER, WHICH WAS ALSO ACCOMPLISHED SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST. AND HAVE YOU TALKED TO CITY ENGINEER ABOUT THE LUS? THAT'LL BE ADDED ON, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. WE FINISHED THE SER AND THAT, THAT'S AN EXHIBIT TO THE AMENDED WHOLESALE WASTEWATER CONTRACT. OKAY. GREAT. AND THEN, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK IF I HAD ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. UM, I APPRECIATE THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LOOKOUT THERE. I THINK THAT'S A, GONNA BE A, A REALLY BIG KEY RIGHT THERE. AND THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH THE IST ON GETTING THAT AS WELL. THANK YOU. YES. UM, 2028 ELECTED OFFICIALS, , I HAD TO AGREE . UM, AND THEN THIS, THIS, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT, IT WOULD BE WITH THE LAKESIDE HOA, DID I GET THAT RIGHT? CORRECT, YES. OKAY. AND HAVE YOU ALREADY SPOKEN TO THEIR HOA BOARD? YES, I'M, I'M UNFORTUNATELY THE DECKLER MEMBER OF THE BOARD, SO I'M ON THE BOARD. COOL. SO IT'S STILL IN, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY DEVELOPER CONTROL, IF YOU WANNA USE THAT TERMINOLOGY. DECKLER CONTROL. OKAY. YEAH. SO IT'LL, WE'LL ANNEX IT IN. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. NO PROBLEM. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKLAND. SO YOU SAID ALL THAT THE PARKS WOULD BE, UH, MAINTAINED AND DEDICATED TO THE MUD. CORRECT. UH, AND THEY WOULD STAY THERE. SO AT, AT SOME POINT AFTER I'M PROBABLY DEAD, THIS IS GONNA BE ANNEXED TO THE CITY. UM, WOULD THAT STAY UNDER THE HOA CONTROL, THEY WOULD STILL MAINTAIN THE PARKS? OR WOULD THOSE BECOME UNDER CITY CONTROL AND THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE PARKS? YEAH, SO GOOD QUESTION. UM, THE STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT HAS A MECHANISM FOR WHAT'S CALLED A LIMITED DISTRICT. AND SO WHAT A LIMITED DISTRICT IS, IS A MUD. IT'S ESSENTIALLY LIKE, I WOULD CALL IT LIKE A SUPER HOA, THEY CAN'T ISSUE DEBT. THEY CAN COLLECT AVALOR TAXES. THEY CAN USE THOSE TAXES TO ESSENTIALLY MAINTAIN DRAINAGE AND PARKS. EXCUSE ME. SO MY RECOMMENDATION WHEN THAT TIME COMES IS TO KEEP THE LAMENTED DISTRICT IN PLACE AND THEY CONTINUE TO OWN THE PARKLAND AND MAINTAIN IT. OKAY. SO THEN THAT WOULDN'T BECOME A BURDEN, THAT WOULD NOT BECOME A BURDEN ON THE CITY. THEY WOULD STILL MAINTAIN IT. CORRECT. YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S THE PLAN. AND I THINK THAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY WANT THAT IS TO, TO BE IN CHARGE OF THE MAINTENANCE. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, I LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANKS MATT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU HONOR. Y'ALL HAVE A NICE EVENING. YOU TOO. IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, I'D LIKE TO MOVE 13 TWO UP NEXT. ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. ITEM 13 TWO CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING CITY COST PARTICIPATION FOR HEAD WALL REPAIR AND STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AT HUDDLE BIBLE CHURCH. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL FOR THE RECORD. MATT RECTOR, CITY ENGINEER. I'M IN THERE. UM, ARE MY SLIDES NOT IN THERE? YEAH, THEY'RE IN THERE. OKAY. UH, SO THIS ITEM AS INDICATED IS, IS TO CONSIDER POTENTIAL CAUSE PARTICIPATION FROM THE CITY ON A RE REPAIR THAT WAS DONE, UH, OFF OF MAIN HIPPO. UM, THERE WE GO. IS THAT THE FIRST? YEAH. ALRIGHT. SO, UH, AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE, THERE IS A HEAD WALL UNDER MAIN HIPPO THAT ALLOWS DRAIN, UH, STORM WATER TO DRAIN FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD WHERE THE SCHOOL PROPERTY IS TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, WHICH IS A PROPERTY THAT THE, UH, CHURCH WAS, I GUESS DID KIND OF A LAND SWAP. I DON'T KNOW OF A BETTER TERMINOLOGY FOR IT, UH, [02:10:01] FROM THEIR SITE HERE, SO THAT IT COULD BE INCLUDED IN A CO-OP, UH, TO THEIR, THEIR NEW LOCATION UP OFF OF MAIN HIPPO DURING CONSTRUCTION, UH, WHILE THEY WERE DOING WORK IN FRONT OF THE HEAD WALL WITH, TO INSTALL THEIR WATER LINE. YOU CAN SEE ORIGINALLY THE WATER LINE WAS BASICALLY IN LINE WITH THE HEAD WALL, SO IT HAD TO BE SHIFTED OUT ROUGHLY TO THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT. UM, UH, THIS IS JUST SOME, UH, CONCRETE THAT WAS REMOVED DURING THE PROJECT. SO HERE'S WHAT BASICALLY HAPPENED. THE HEAD WALL STARTED TO SHIFT, SO THE CONTRACTOR NOTICED IT. THEY STOPPED WORK IMMEDIATELY, PUT THEIR EQUIPMENT UP AGAINST IT, PROPPED IT UP, PUT DIRT BACK IN THERE, WE SHUT DOWN THE SIDEWALK. UM, WE, EVERYBODY KIND OF STAYED AWAY FROM IT FOR A LITTLE BIT. CAME UP WITH A RESOLUTION. THE CHURCH ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH, UH, WORKING WITH US. THEY CAME UP WITH TWO OPTIONS. ONE WAS JUST FIXED THE HEAD WALL, RIGHT? JUST FIX IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. THE SECOND OPTION WAS TO KIND OF BASICALLY GET RID OF IT AND EXTEND THE STORM PIPE ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY AND GIVE US AN, AN EASEMENT. UH, ULTIMATELY THAT SEEMED TO BE MORE BENEFICIAL FOR THEM. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY DID, IS THEY PUT IN PIPE, CONNECTED IT TO THE, UH, CULVERTS THAT ARE UNDER THE ROAD, EXTENDED IT ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY, FILLED IN THE DITCH SO THAT IT, IT MAKES THEIR LAND A LITTLE BIT MORE USABLE BECAUSE THERE WAS, UH, I THINK IT'S 11 SOME ODD ACRES IS WHAT THEY GOT. AND THEN IT WAS KIND OF DIVIDED WITH A DRAINAGE DITCH IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. NOT REALLY MIDDLE, BUT CLOSE TO MIDDLE. UH, SO PART OF THE COMMUNICATION THAT WE HAD WITH THEM WAS, THEY CAME TWO WEEKS AGO, I THINK IT WAS, AND ASKED FOR THE CITY TO CONTRIBUTE UP TO, UH, POTENTIALLY UP TO $250,000. UM, SO THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE TO DO THE WORK THAT ACTUALLY GOT DONE WAS $652,109, BUT THE ACTUAL COST CAME IN AT 451 9 37 25. SO IF THE CITY WERE GONNA CONTRIBUTE 50% OF THAT, IT WOULD ONLY BE THE 2 25 9 68 63. UH, BUT THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT, UM, THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE FOR JUST REPAIRING THE HEAD WALL, AND, SORRY, I GOT THE WRONG THING UP THERE. I COPIED IT IN THE WRONG PICTURE, WAS 180 9 4 60. UM, AND SO WE TOOK THAT 180 9, 4 60 AND TOOK NUMBERS FROM THEIR ACTUAL WORK. SO WE HAD THE SIX 50, WHATEVER IT WAS, VERSUS THE FOUR 50. A LOT OF THE ITEMS WERE THE SAME IN JUST REPAIRING THE HEAD WALL AND JUST DOING THE NEW PROJECT. SO WE PULLED A LOT OF THOSE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS OUT AND RERAN THEIR ESTIMATE. THERE WERE A COUPLE WHERE I HAD TO PULL FROM OTHER PROJECTS TO FILL IN THE BLANKS, BUT BASICALLY BY MY ESTIMATE THAT IF WE WOULD'VE JUST REPAIRED THE HEAD WALL BASED ON ACTUAL NUMBERS CLOSE, IT WOULD'VE BEEN ABOUT 161,000, WHICH WOULD'VE DROPPED THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION OF 50%, ASSUMING THAT YOU GUYS WANNA DO 50% TO 80,561. UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT. I I WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS A BROAD RANGE. SO THE CHURCHES ASK US FOR US TO CONTRIBUTE UP TO $250,000. UM, AND SO THERE'S A BROAD SPECTRUM IN THERE, ALL THE WAY FROM 80,000 FROM WHAT THE ORIGINAL, BY MY ESTIMATES, THIS IS NOT THEIR ESTIMATE, THIS IS MY REVISED ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT WOULD'VE COST JUST TO FIX THE HEAD WALL BACK. AND SO FROM 80,561 ALL THE WAY UP TO 250, ASSUMING THAT YOU WANNA DO FIFTH STREET, 50%. SO I WENT THROUGH THAT REALLY FAST AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I HAD ONE TABLE IN THERE WRONG. BUT THE TOTAL IS 1 61. THE, SO THE, THE ACTUAL COST THAT, THAT THEY INCURRED, UH, WHERE'S THAT WAS THIS 4 5 1 9 3 7 25? THAT'S THEIR ACTUAL COST FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IS COMPLETE. UH, I THINK WE SIGNED OFF ON ALL OF THE, UH, FINAL WALKS, AND I BELIEVE THEY EVEN GOT THEIR CO TODAY. SO PROJECT IS DONE. THIS IS THE COST THAT THEY ACTUALLY INCURRED, AND THEN THE 1 61, SO THE 1 61. ALL RIGHT, SO LET ME TRY TO TALK YOU THROUGH THIS. SO THIS IS THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS FROM WHAT THEIR CONTRACTOR CHARGED THEM. OKAY. SO I TOOK THE NUMBERS FROM HERE AND HEY MATT, LET ME INTERRUPT YOU REAL QUICK. YES, SIR. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT HE IS ASKING. OKAY. AND SO, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, COUNCIL MEMBER, THE, THE 1 61 IS IF THE HEAD WALL THAT FAILED HAD JUST BEEN REPAIRED, THE, THE CHURCH HAD A VERY GOOD REASON TO WANT TO NOT JUST REPAIR THE HEAD WALL. IF THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT, THEY WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND PIPE IT AND THEN FILL IN THAT DITCH SO THEY CAN USE THE PROPERTY. AND THAT'S WHAT GOT THEM TO THE [02:15:01] $462,000 NUMBER. GOTCHA. OKAY. SO, SO THE QUESTION BASICALLY BEFORE COUNCIL IS, IS THAT THE, THE CHURCH, UH, CAME AND ASKED FOR PARTICIPATION BECAUSE WE HAD ACCEPTED THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AND, UH, BECAUSE, AND, AND FROM WHERE THEY SAT THERE, THERE IS NOT A DRAINAGE EASEMENT ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY, ALTHOUGH THERE'S A BIG CHANNEL. AND ARGUABLY, UH, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE AN EASE, UH, A DRAINAGE DITCH ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY WHENEVER THE SWAP HAPPENED, OKAY. FOR THEM TO GET THE PROPERTY. SO THEY WOULD VACATE THE BUILDING OVER HERE IN THE CO-OP. SO MA PARTNERS NEGOTIATED THIS SWAP. SO FOR THEM, THEY FELT LIKE THEY WERE HARMED BY THERE BEING A DITCH AND THAT THEY WEREN'T REALLY AWARE WAS GONNA HAPPEN. TWO, THAT THERE WASN'T AN ACTUAL LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF THE DRAINAGE DITCH, WHICH WAS DONE BY THE HOUSING DEVELOPER TO THE NORTH. SO THERE WAS MULTIPLE ASPECTS OF WHY THEY FELT LIKE PIPING AND FILLING IN THE DITCH WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO IF THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO REPAIR THE HEAD WALL. SO THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD THE CITY COST PARTICIPATE IN THE, THE FULL SCALE OF THEIR PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES OR, AND, AND OUR PERSPECTIVE IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SAYING FOR US THE LOW END SHOULD BE AT LEAST THE COST PARTICIPATION THAT WOULD'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE HEAD WALL AT THE VERY LEAST. AND THEN THERE'S OTHER CONSIDERATIONS FOR COUNSEL TO WEIGH AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE, THE REMAINDER SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR POSSIBLE REIMBURSEMENT HERE. GOTCHA. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. AND THANKS MATT FOR THE EXPLANATION AS WELL. SORRY. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AN EXPENDITURE OF UP TO $226,000, UH, TO PAY FOR HALF OF THE COSTS THROUGH YOUR ESTIMATE. SECOND, AND MY REASONING FOR THIS IS A COUPLE THINGS, NOT TO KNOCK YOU, BUT THERE WAS A SOMEWHAT OF AN IMPORTANT FACT THAT WAS LEFT OUT OF THIS. TWO OF THEM. ONE IS HAVING GONE OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT IT ON THE NORTH SIDE, THAT HEAD WALL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT IT'S NOT AS BAD AS WHAT WE SAW IN THE PICTURE. BUT THERE IS DIRT MISSING UNDERNEATH THE SIDEWALK. THE SIDEWALK IS BUCKLING. AND SO THAT, THAT'S A CURIOSITY TO WHERE, OKAY, SO THAT BRINGS INTO THE SECOND FACT I THINK WE DIDN'T MENTION, AND THAT IS FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU WEREN'T HERE. SO RECORD NOTE HERE, THIS IS A SCREWED UP PROCESS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT WATER FLOWN ON SOMEONE ELSE'S LAND THAT DOESN'T HAVE RIGHTS TO DO IT ROUTED BY A DEVELOPER. YOU JUST HAVE AN OPEN DITCH. UM, BUT THEN THE SOUTH SIDE HEAD WALL, THEY DUG UP OR GOT TOO CLOSE OR WHATEVER TO THE HEAD WALL. UM, AND THEN IT STARTED FAILING. TRUE. BUT THEN THE PART THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE MENTIONING IN PUBLIC IS THAT THAT WAS ALSO NOT BUILT TO THE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED AND THEIR ARCHITECT, NOT THE CHURCH, THE HOME BUILDER MIGHT, MAY HAVE SIGNED OFF ON IT, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW. BUT AT SOME POINT WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MAYBE AN EIGHT FOOT FOOTING WAS REALLY A THREE FOOT FOOTING. AND SO THERE'S A DEBATE THAT A FAIL EARLIER THAN IT WOULD'VE ALREADY FAILED BECAUSE THE CHURCH DUG RIGHT UP TO IT. AND THEN ONE COULD PROBABLY ARGUE, WELL, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS GONNA BE A REALLY SHORT HEAD WALL FOOTING. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS LIKE THAT THAT GO INTO IT. AND I ACTUALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF FILLING IN THAT DITCH, BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO LAKESIDE OF STATES, NO, I'M SORRY, LEGENDS OF HU IS ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO'VE BEEN POURING MONEY. WE HAVE LIKE $3 MILLION BUDGETED FOR DITCHES AND WE'RE TAKING ARGUABLY A BIGGER DITCH IN THIS. BUT WE'RE PAVING THEM AND I DUNNO WHAT YOU CALL IT, BUT WE'RE PUTTING IN LIKE A CONCRETE CHANNEL. AND SO AT SOME POINT THIS IS GONNA HAVE MAINTENANCE. AND SO THE WAY THIS GOES, WE COULD SAY, WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA PAY FOR THAT. THEY DIDN'T FILL IT IN. WE WOULD'VE HAD A DITCH. AND THEN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EASEMENT WAS GONNA SAY 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE AN EASEMENT, BUT MY GUESS IS THE CHURCH WOULD SAY, WE'LL GIVE YOU AN EASEMENT, BUT THE CITY HAS TO PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE BECAUSE IT'S A CITY'S WATERWAY BECAUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS DITCH IS A CITY DETENTION POND. SO THEN MY GUESS IS THE COST OF THAT WOULD BE EXPONENTIALLY MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE PAYING RIGHT NOW TO FIX IT IN FIVE, 10 OR 15 YEARS. SO TO ME, THIS IS A, IF WE FIX MORE DETENTION ISSUES LIKE THIS IN THE BEGINNING, UM, WE WOULD HAVE LESS COST TODAY. AND SO IT'S A, WHILE IT'S AN EXPENSIVE, UH, COST, THE CHURCH ASKING THEY TO ME, THEY DIDN'T COME IN GREEDY AND SAY, HEY, YOU GUYS OWE US HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. THEY CAME IN, THEY SAID, WE THINK HALF IS FAIR, AND FOR HALF WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE MAINTENANCE ON THAT DITCH AND THAT HEAD WALL IS GONE. AND NOW WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR THE NORTH [02:20:01] HEAD WALL. AND THE SIDEWALK IS, IT STARTS TO FAIL. AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S NOT US PAYING ALL OF IT. IT'S SOME SHARED, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I CAME TO THIS. IT'S NOT THAT I WANNA WILLY NILLY GIVE OUT MONEY, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE, UM, A PREVIOUS CITY ENGINEER ALLOWING WATER TO CUT THROUGH PROPERTY AND NOT HAVING EASEMENTS IN PLACE AND NOT HAVING THAT STUFF, IT'S, THIS IS JUST A, UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S LIKE A CLEANUP MESS AND THEY'RE PROBABLY EATING THE BRUNT OF IT WITH THEIR CONGREGATION. UM, AND WE'RE PROBABLY GETTING OUT IN MY MIND A LITTLE EASY BY JUST PAYING HALF. BUT THAT'S HOW I KIND OF CAME UP TO MY, MY LINE OF THINKING, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY. SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO, UM, IT WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE A CHANNEL THAT WAS THE KIND OF THE, I GUESS THE DESIGN OR THE INTENT, EVEN THOUGH THE CHURCH WASN'T AWARE OF THAT, UH, LIKE AN OPEN CHANNEL. THEY'VE NOW, UH, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THEY'VE, THEY'VE PUT PIPES THERE ALONG THEIR ENTIRE, UM, THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF WHERE THE CHANNEL WAS ON THEIR PROPERTY. CORRECT. SO IT'S ALL PIPES. RIGHT. AND SO WHO, WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE TO MAINTAIN THOSE IF THE PIPES FAIL AT SOME POINT? LIKE A, I DUNNO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO, MAYBE PARKING LOT OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING OVER THERE. LIKE IF, IF THOSE FAIL, IS THAT ON THE CITY? IS, IS THIS INFRASTRUCTURE GONNA BE DEDICATED TO THE CITY OR WOULD IT JUST BE MAINTAINED BY THE, THE CHURCH? THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN DEDICATED TO THE CITY. AND WE HAVE ALSO, THE CHURCH HAS ALSO DEDICATED AN EASEMENT TO US FOR ANY MAINTENANCE THAT WE NEED. OKAY. SO IF WE, IF WE HAD TO DO MAINTENANCE AND THERE'S A PARKING LOT ON TOP OF IT, WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST OF NOT ONLY REPAIRING THE, THE PIPES, BUT ALSO LIKE RESURFACING THE PARKING LOT, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. WHATEVER THEY DO ON THERE, UM, THERE'D BE SOME KIND OF AN AGREEMENT OVER THE EASEMENT. IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. AND I, I DON'T KNOW RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THE EXACT LANGUAGES IN THE EASEMENT, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY STILL GET TO USE THE SURFACE. BUT I THINK BEFORE THEY CAN PUT ANY LIKE PAVING OR STRUCTURES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEY HAVE TO TALK TO US TO MAKE SURE THAT OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT GONNA, WE DON'T WANNA HAVE TO GO TEAR DOWN A BUILDING A BUILDINGS. RIGHT, EXACTLY. YES. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S YEAH. THAT, THAT'S FLAT. YEAH. AND, AND MATT, JUST 'CAUSE WHAT YOU SAID IS COUNTER TO WHAT I GENERALLY KNOW TO BE TRUE. SO IS IT WRITTEN IN THE EASEMENT THAT WE ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR PUTTING EVERYTHING BACK TO, TO THE WAY THAT WE FOUND IT IF WE HAVE TO DO WORK? BECAUSE GENERALLY IF THERE'S IMPROVEMENTS OVER AN EASEMENT, THE CITY'S NOT OBLIGATED TO DO IT. GENERALLY WE DO, BUT WE'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO DO IT. SO IS THERE LANGUAGE HERE THAT OBLIGATES US OR IS THAT JUST YOU SAYING THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY DO THAT? UH, I CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION EXACTLY. 'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THE EASEMENT LANGUAGE MEMORIZED. UH, BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS, IS THAT THEY STILL GET TO ENJOY SURFACE RIGHTS AND THEN ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY WOULD MAKE TO THAT SURFACE HAS TO BE VETTED THROUGH US FIRST. MM-HMM . AND THEN I WOULD ASSUME IF WE ALLOW THEM TO PUT A PARKING LOT DOWN AND WE HAVE TO TEAR THAT PARKING LOT UP, THAT WE WOULD COST PARTICIPATE, OR AT LEAST RESTORE IT TO THE ORIGINAL CONDITION BEFORE WE TORE IT UP. SO WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS, IS THAT THAT'S GENERALLY HOW WE WOULD, HOW WE DO BUSINESS JUST BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORLY THING TO DO, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE REQUIRED TO. SO IF YOU FAST FORWARD INTO 20 YEARS FROM NOW OR SOMETHING AND SOMEONE GETS IN THERE AND, AND TEARS UP THE PARKING LOT, THE CHURCH COULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING IT BACK BECAUSE IT'S AN EASEMENT. OKAY. JUST FOR AWARENESS. AND, AND THE REASON I ASKED FOR THAT IS BECAUSE ASKED THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE OUR HOA CURRENTLY HAS A, A SIMILAR SITUATION. WE HAVE HAVE A PARK THAT PROBABLY 70% OF THE PARK IS IN AN ENCORE EASEMENT. AND SO WE HAVE, UM, SIDEWALKS AND THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN THEIR EASEMENT AND THEY BRING THEIR EQUIPMENT IN AND RUN OVER THE SIDEWALKS AND CRACK 'EM UP ALL THE TIME. AND, AND WE'RE THE HO A'S RESPONSIBLE TO REPAIR THOSE BECAUSE IT'S IN THEIR EASEMENT. THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW IT'S TREATED. OKAY. PARTICULARLY BY PUBLIC UTILITIES. YEAH. UM, WE TEND TO NOT DO THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE AND IT'S OUR PEOPLE. SURE. YEAH. WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO PUT BACK GRASS. WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO REPLACE SHRUBS. WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO FIX FENCES. BUT I DON'T HAVE AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET. SURE. OKAY. YEAH. THAT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER 'CAUSE YEAH, WE, IT'S NOT A FUN EXPERIENCE FOR US. 'CAUSE EVERY TIME THEY COME OUT WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, , LET'S GO FIX SOME MORE SIDEWALKS. AND SO, UM, YEAH. RIGHT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . ALRIGHT. PLEASE HOLD IT. OH, OH, SORRY. I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION. SO I THINK I SAW AN EMAIL ON THIS. SO THE, THE BUDGETED MONEY IS GONNA COME FROM, REMIND ME, IS IT, UH, YEAH. SO WE'RE GONNA INTEREST FROM THE INTEREST FROM THE CIP UM, BOND FUNDS THAT IF WE ORIGINALLY MISSED IN THE, IN THE PACKET, THE, THE CERTIFICATION OF FUNDS. [02:25:01] SO WE, WE CIRCULATED THAT VIA EMAIL, UH, AFTER THE FACT. YEAH, I THOUGHT I SAW THAT. AND SO, AND THAT WAS, THAT MONEY WASN'T PLANNED FOR SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS ACTUALLY FREE TO USE FOR THIS. CORRECT. OKAY. CERTIFICATION FUNDS, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. SO I DON'T NEED COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON, DO YOU NEED OF CALL COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD NAY? PROBABLY MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. I'M JUST GONNA TELL YOU, MOTION PASSES SIX ONE. THEY'RE AGREEING TO PAY IT, BUT WE NEED THEIR, OKAY. THANK Y'ALL. CAN I JUST SAY ONE THING? OH, YES SIR. I WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW I'M MICHAEL HALL, I'M THE EXECUTIVE PASTOR AT HU BIBLE. WE PRAY FOR YOU. THANK YOU. NOT ONLY INDIVIDUALLY, BUT AS A CHURCH AND OUR REQUEST. AND THANK YOU, UH, UH, MR. MANAGER AND MAYOR FOR ALLOWING US TO MEET WITH YOU AND JUST PRESENT TO YOU WHERE WE ARE. UM, AND WE BELIEVE THAT TONIGHT HAS BEEN A RESOLUTION OF THAT AND ASK YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING. AND WE'RE JUST GRATEFUL FOR THAT. WE WANNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO YOU. UH, YOU'VE BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO US, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND, UH, BLESS YOU GUYS. GOD BLESS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 2 26. ALRIGHT, NEXT [10.1. Continue a public hearing and consider possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-187 authorizing and creating the HWY 130 Mixed Use Public Improvement District within the City Of Hutto pursuant to Chapter 372, Texas Local Government Code. (Legal)] WE HAVE ITEM TEN ONE, CONTINUE A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2025 DASH 180 7 AUTHORIZING AND CREATING THE HIGHWAY ONE 30 MIXED USE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT WITHIN THE CITY OF HU PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 3 72, TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. LEGAL IS IDENTIFIED AS THE PRESENTER OF THIS ITEM. I'M SORRY, WHO IS, IT'S ON YOUR AGENDA. TEN ONE. YEAH, IT SAYS LEGAL, LEGAL. UM, YOU'RE UP THEN. SO, UM, I GUESS YOU NEED TO OPEN THE CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'RE GONNA REQUEST THAT YOU ADUR ADJOURN IT, UM, UNDER THE, UH, SECTION 3 72 0.009 B OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO ADJOURN. UM, THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS, THE ANNEXATION NOTICES, UM, HAVE JUST GONE OUT AND, UM, WE'RE NOT READY TO, UM, ACT ON THE CREATING THE P UNTIL WE, UM, HAVE THE ANNEXATION NOTICES, UH, SENT OUT SO THAT THE CREATION OF THE PIT AND THE ANNEXATION OCCURS TOGETHER. OKAY. SO THE ONLY THING WE NEED TO DO ON 10 RIGHT NOW IS OPEN THE CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING, INVITE ANYBODY TO SPEAK AND THEN CLOSE IT UNDER CHAPTER 3 72 0.09 B. YOU WOULD ADJOURN IT. ADJOURN THE STATUTE USES THAT WORD ADJOURN. AND, UM, AND WHAT'S THE WORD TO KEEP IT, START IT BACK UP AGAIN. CONTINUE. CONTINUE. YEAH. ALRIGHT. SO WE'LL CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:28 PM ON SEPTEMBER 4TH. MS. PIT, IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO COME UP AND SPEAK BEFORE WE CLOSE IT? WE'RE GONNA ADJOURN IT. CN? YEAH. CNN WILL ADJOURN. CAN STEPH TELL ME THE DATE THAT WE'LL HAVE THE ANNEXATION NOTICES COMPLETE? YOU NEED IT RIGHT NOW? WE NEED TO ADJOURN IT TO DATE CERTAIN. SO WE NEED IT TO, WE NEED IT RIGHT NOW SO WE CAN ADJOURN TO DATE CERTAIN, LIKE OCTOBER 1ST MEETING IN OCTOBER. WELL, IF WE JUST DO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING, THEN YOU COULD ALWAYS DO, ALWAYS DOJO IT AGAIN IF WE NEED NEED TO. RIGHT. SO WHY DON'T WE JUST DO TO THE 18TH? I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH TIME. I, I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER. TO DO WHAT? ADJOURN. CORRECT. OKAY. AND THAT DATE IS AND TWO AND TWO. ALRIGHT. AND THEN WE'LL ADJOURN. DOES THIS NEED TO BE A MOTION OR AM I JUST SAYING IT WITHOUT OBJECTION? UM, I GUESS NOBODY WANTED TO SPEAK. NO. SO THEN, UM, TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, YOU WOULD ASK A MOTION TO ADJOURN IT TO OCTOBER 2ND. ALRIGHT, SO MOVED SECOND. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. LACING ARE COMPLICATED. COMPLICATED. A SECOND TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC [02:30:01] HEARING FROM CHAPTER 3 72 0.009 B TO OCTOBER 2ND. AND THAT WORKS. ALRIGHT. ANY DISCUSS? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. APOLOGIES. WHO IS THE FIRST AND THE SECOND? OH, PORTERFIELD AND THEN GORDON. OKAY. 18. YOU DON'T HAVE TO APOLOGIZE. ONE MINUTE. WE'RE MAKING MOTIONS. THEN WE'RE DISCUSSING. WAS WAS LIKE, WAIT, WHAT? FORGOT. Y'ALL. GIMME ZINGERS. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. READY? COUNCIL MEMBER KING. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM [10.2. Conduct a public hearing and related items in consideration and possible action to approve Ordinance No. 0-2025-033 of the City of Hutto, Texas approving and adopting a budget for the City of Hutto for the Fiscal Year beginning October 1, 2025 and ending September 30, 2026 for the City of Hutto, Texas. (Alberta Barrett)] 10, TWO. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND RELATED ITEMS IN CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER O DASH 2025 DASH 0 3 3 OF THE CITY OF HUDU, TEXAS, APPROVING AND ADOPTING A BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF HU FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2025, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2026 FOR THE CITY OF HU. SO WOKE UP TO PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:31 PM IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK REGARDING OUR BUDGET? ALRIGHT, SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL CLOSE IT AT 9:31 PM ALBERTA. GOOD EVENING. YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL ALBERTA BARRETT, FINANCE DIRECTOR FOR THE RECORD. SO, UH, WHAT WE SENT OUT IN A SEPARATE COVER WAS, UM, A SUMMARIZATION OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE REQUESTED AT THE, UM, AUGUST 21ST MEETING AND THEN CHANGES THAT WE, UM, HAD, UH, PROPOSED TO US ON AUGUST 14TH. SO WE COMBINED THOSE CHANGES AND PREPARED A REVISED BUDGET FOR YOU. UM, SO IN SUMMARY FOR THE REVENUES, UM, WE ADDED 1,000,100 18,248, AND THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS A TRANSFER IN FROM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND, UH, 480,748, WHICH WILL OFFSET SALARY AND BENEFITS FOR THE TWO NEW POSITIONS THAT WERE APPROVED FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY, ENGINEER AND THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER PLUS ANY OF THE OTHER, UM, UH, EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE AS, UM, THAT ARE INVOLVED IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS THE CIP PROJECT MANAGERS. UM, AND THE CIP ENGINEER. UM, THE OTHER LARGE ITEM WAS 600,000 THAT WE WOULD RECORD TO SETTLEMENTS, UM, WHICH IS THE SETTLEMENT OF A RECENT, UM, LAWSUIT OF 600,000. SO THAT'S RECORDED AS A REVENUE. OKAY, SO MOVING TO EXPENDITURES. UM, SO THE, THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE THERE ARE THE SALARIES AND BENEFITS RELATED TO THE RIGHT OF WAY ENGINEER AND THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER THAT WERE APPROVED ON AUGUST 14TH. AND THOSE TOTAL 270,947, WE INCLUDED AN INCREASE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR SOFTWARE AND LICENSING MAINTENANCE FEES OF 36,500 RELATED TO FLOCK CAMERA EXPENDITURES. WE INCLUDED 250,000 THAT WAS, UM, RECOMMENDED ON AUGUST 21ST FOR THE UBER RIDESHARE PROGRAM. UM, IN TOTAL FOR VEHICLE ALLOWANCES, UH, WE REDUCED BY, UM, 15,000, UM, LET'S SEE, FOOD AND MEALS. UH, WE REDUCED BY 3,250 FOR THE EXECUTIVE CONFERENCE ROOM. WE ADDED 156,993 FOR THE ADDITION OF A CANINE OFFICER TO BEGIN MIDYEAR. UM, SO IT IS THE SALARIES, BENEFITS, UM, THE CANINE, THE TRAINING FOR IT, UH, THE VEHICLE, UM, AND ALL THE ADDITIONAL, UH, EXPENSES RELATED TO, UM, ADDITION OF A NEW OFFICER. THE NEXT GROUP IS ADJUSTING THE TRAINING AND TRAVEL RELATED TO, UM, THE THREE AREAS OF THE A TWO TEAM, THE STRATEGIC OPS TEAM, AND THE COMMUNITY AND CULTURE DIVISION. SO THAT IS A TOTAL OF 17,139 THAT WE REDUCED. UM, WE INCLUDED AN INCREASE FOR OUR HEALTH INSURANCE, UM, AT 56,414 FOR THE GENERAL FUND. AND, UM, FOR THE PROPOSED CITY STAFF REORGANIZATION, UM, THERE'S A SAVINGS OF $221. SO YOUR NET, UM, TOTAL CHANGE TO YOUR EXP UH, EXPENDITURES FOR THE GENERAL FUND COME TO A TOTAL OF 35,000,498 WITH [02:35:01] 1 59. WHEN YOU OFFSET THAT TO THE REVENUES, UH, YOU'LL ADD 383,494 TO YOUR FUND BALANCE WITH A PROJECTED ENDING FUND BALANCE AT, AT SEPTEMBER OF 26 AT 8 MILLION 3 95, 2 38, WHICH PUTS YOU AT 23.9 OR SAY 24% OF OUR FUND BALANCE REQUIREMENT. AND I KNOW OUR GOAL IS 25%, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT AT THIS POINT. OKAY, THANK YOU MA'AM. MM-HMM . UM, GENERAL FUNDS AT THE BOTTOM, IT'S REAL SMALL. WE JUST MADE TWO CHANGES THERE. ONE, OH, SORRY. UTILITY FUNDS AT THE BOTTOM. IS THAT NOT WHAT I SAID? YOU SAID GENERAL FUNDS? OH, I STILL GOT GENERAL FUND ON THE RIGHT. OKAY, LET ME RE REFER, RESTART. SO THE UTILITY FUNDS AT THE BOTTOM TWO CHANGES. WE, UM, AND REDUCED THE, UM, VEHICLE ALLOWANCE FOR THE POSITION THAT IS IN THE UTILITY FUND. AND WE, UM, PUT A PLACEHOLDER FOR THE HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASE, WHICH, UH, WAS 8,586. UH, SO, UM, THEY HAVE A FUND ENDING FUND BALANCE PROJECTED AT 8 MILLION 373 4 88, WHICH IS REALLY ABOUT 21% OF THE 25% RESERVE REQUIREMENT OF OUR GOAL. UH, THE OTHER ONE IS, UM, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND. UM, I KNOW MOST OF YOU KNOW THAT WE HAD A EDC MOR BOARD MEETING OR EARLIER THIS WEEK, UM, AND THEY APPROVED THE CHANGES. UM, BUT BASICALLY WHAT WE DID THERE IS, UM, MOVED OUT SOME LAND SALES FROM 25 TO 26, UM, INCLUDED THE LOAN PAYOFF, UM, IN 26 VERSUS THIS YEAR AS, AS WELL AS THE INTEREST ON THAT LOAN. UM, AND THEN WE DID REDUCTIONS. SO, UH, ACTUALLY YOU HAVE, UM, IF THE LAND SALES GO THROUGH, YOU'LL HAVE AN ADDITION TO FUND BALANCE OF OVER 26 MILLION. UM, THE NET CHANGES THAT WE DID FOR OPERATING EXPENSES, JUST FOR YOUR, YOUR REFERENCE, UM, WE REDUCE THOSE EXPENSES BY ABOUT 262,472. OKAY. THAT'S ALL THE CHANGES I HAVE AT THIS POINT. SO THANKS ALBERTA. MM-HMM . SO I MOVED TO APPROVE ORDINANCE O DASH 2025 DASH 0 3 3 OF THE CITY OF HU TEXAS, ADOPTING THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 TO 2026, BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2025, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2026 FOR THE CITY OF HU TEXAS WITH A SMALL CHANGE TO TAKE OUT THE, UM, HPD CANINE POSITION AND TO ADD IN A CRISIS INTERVENTION OFFICER. AND THEN TO ADD THE NEW REVISED ORG CHART WITH IT ALONG WITH THE, UM, SCHEDULE OF POSITIONS INCOME, UM, SEX, RACE AND DATE OF HIRE WITH THE CITY SECOND MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UM, BEFORE YOU CONSIDER, UH, VOTING ON THE BUDGET, UH, THERE'S A LINE ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. IT'S 10 DASH OH 5 0 1 6 4 2. UH, IT'S THE, UH, CELLEBRITE LTD CONTRACT COUNCIL MEMBER. UM, THOMPSON HAS DISCLOSED THAT HE HAS THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE HE HAS AN EMPLOYEE OF THIS COMPANY AND HE'S, UM, FILING HIS AFFIDAVIT AND WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU VOTE ON THAT LINE ITEM SEPARATELY SO HE CAN RECORD BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE OVERALL DEAL. CORRECT. ALRIGHT, SO I'LL PAUSE ON THAT AND THEN, SO MOVE TO PASS THE LINE ITEM THAT YOU MENTIONED SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT IT. AND THEN, SO THAT'LL BE A SEPARATE VOTE RIGHT? FIRST AND THEN WE'LL DO THE, UH, THE MAIN MOTION. OKAY. SO BASICALLY YOU'RE VOTING ON JUST THAT ONE LINE ITEM. OKAY. ACCEPTED OR REJECT IT AND THEN HE CAN, HE'S RECUSING HIMSELF BACK VOTE, AND THEN HE'LL BE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE ON THE REMAINING BUDGET WITHOUT THAT LINE ITEM IN IT MIGHT BE DISPENSED WITH IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, I THINK SO FOR THE SOFTWARE. THAT'S ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, UH, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. OH, SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER POR CORNFIELD. HE WOULD, AYE, CAN YOU RECORD HIM AS ABSTAINING? ABSTAIN? YES. ALRIGHT, MOTION PASSES THE SIX ZERO. OKAY, NOW I MOVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE O DASH 2025 DASH 0 3 3, THE CITY OF HU TEXAS ADOPTING THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 TO 2026, BEGINNING [02:40:01] OCTOBER 1ST, 2025, AND THEN SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2026 FOR THE CITY OF HU. UH, WITH A REVISED CHANGE OF TAKING THE HPD, UM, CANINE OFFICER POSITION AND SWITCHING THAT TO A CRISIS INTERVENTION OFFICER AND ADOPTING A NEW ORG CHART. UM, IT WAS SENT THIS WEEK ALONG WITH THE TABLE THAT HAS THE, UH, POSITIONS, THE PAY, UH, THE SEX RACE, AND THE, UH, DATE OF HIRE. SECOND MAYOR, COULD I GET A CLARIFICATION ON THE, UM, ADDITION OF THE CRISIS INTERVENTION OFFICER? DID YOU WANT THAT TO BE FOR A FULL YEAR OR A HALF YEAR? UH, Q2, SAME AS WE HAD FOR THE OKAY. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? YES. OH, GO AHEAD. NO, GO AHEAD. SO I WON'T BE VOTING FOR THIS. UM, I THINK IT'S PRETTY, UH, I THINK IT'S BASED ON THE PRESENTATION ALONE THAT WE GOT TONIGHT FROM, UM, HPD, UM, IT SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE SPECIALIZED RESPONSE TEAM VEHICLE. UM, I THINK IT'S VERY IRRESPONSIBLE OF US TO, UM, BE FUNDING 250,000 FOR SIX MONTHS OF UBER RIDE SHARE FOR A SMALL SEGMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY AND NOT, UM, FUNDING THAT SPECIALIZED RESPONSE TEAM VEHICLE, UM, WHICH IS ADDITIONALLY, UM, UTILIZED TO SERVE AND PROTECT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. UM, I DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING, UH, UH, GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK AFTER PUBLIC SAFETY HERE IN THE CITY OF HU. UM, THAT, ALONG WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT, UM, ITEMS THAT I WON'T GET INTO TONIGHT, I THINK IT'S BEEN WELL DOCUMENTED ON, UM, THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT WHAT WE ARE CHOOSING TO DO AS A COUNCIL. AND SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I WILL NOT BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION. SO I WANTED TO OFFER, UH, AN AMENDMENT, UH, TO THE MOTION TO, UM, REMOVE THE 250,000 FOR THE UBER RIDESHARE PROGRAM AND TO HIRE THE CRISIS INTERVENTION OFFICER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE RATHER THAN Q2, BUT HIRE THEM SOONER. AND THEN ALSO ADD IN A, UH, AN A SECOND IT SPECIALIST FOR THE PD. GO TO SECOND, I'LL SECOND THAT SECOND BY MEMBER THOMPSON DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. LET'S SAY THIS, I DON'T KNOW THE, UM, IF WE END UP ADOPTING THE UBER RIDE SHARE DEAL OR SOME OTHER, UM, DEAL, UM, BUT I THINK THE MONEY HAS TO BE THERE TO START THE PROCESS. I THINK THE, THERE'S A GREAT CONCERN ON THE, UM, I FORGET WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE VEHICLE? JAMES? UH, SVRT. YEAH, IT'S BASIC. IT'S BASICALLY AN ARMORED VEHICLE, LIKE A SWAT, A SWAT VEHICLE. YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE, I DON'T KNOW, THE CITY'S IN A POSITION TO SPEND THE MONEY ON AN ARMORED CAR. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD GET USED REGULARLY. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO HAVE A MONTH AGO, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING DOESN'T HAPPEN REGULARLY FOR THE UBER RIDESHARE. WHILE I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT THAT IT'S A SMALL SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION, UH, WE DO HAVE A SMALL SEGMENT OF POPULATION THAT ARE SENIORS AND HAVE MOBILITY ISSUES AND HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING, UM, TO DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS AND TO THE GROCERY STORE. AND A LOT OF THE OTHER CITIES IN OUR AREA ARE IMPLEMENTING SOME SYSTEM KIND OF LIKE UBER. IT MAY NOT ALWAYS BE LIKE THAT, BUT THEY'RE IMPLEMENTING THAT IN A WAY TO, UM, COST EFFECTIVELY, UM, PROVIDE, UM, TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION TO THOSE WHO ARE UNABLE TO GO TO, TO THE GROCERY STORE, ARE UNABLE TO GO TO THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE. IN FACT, WE, WE HAVE A LADY THAT COMES OUT HERE REGULARLY AND SHE ALONE IS LIKE IN HER MID SEVENTIES AND SHE'S TAKING SOMEONE IN THEIR NINETIES TO DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS BECAUSE HE HAS NO WAY OF GETTING THERE. SO IT'S PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. UM, AND SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHY IF THE MOTION WAS JUST FOR A IT OFFICER, UM, PERSON, I COULD SEE ADDING THAT. UM, BUT WE'RE GETTING TO BE 40 SOMETHING THOUSAND PEOPLE STRONG AS A COMMUNITY WITH NO WAY TO GET PEOPLE TO DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS AND GROCERIES AND SOME OF THOSE NEEDS. AND SO I, AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO INVEST IN, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY THOSE AND MOST SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE NEED. BUT, SO, SO YOU MENTIONED SRT VEHICLE, BUT THAT WASN'T PART OF MY MOTION. DID, DID YOU, WERE YOU AWARE I DID NOT ASK FOR THE SRT VEHICLE? YEAH, IT WAS JUST MORE ABOUT, OKAY, I GOTCHA. OKAY. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, [02:45:01] I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU THOUGHT THAT I WAS TRYING TO ADD THAT I NO, NO, NO. I JUST, IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, UM, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT ALONE. IT'S NOT WORTH, IT'S NOT WORTH ENGAGING. ALRIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD NAY. MAYOR SNYDER. NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON NAY. MOTION FAILS. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A AMEND. I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE AMENDMENT TO ADD THE, UH, PD DIT PERSONNEL. SECOND, THIRD PD. LET'S CALL IT PDIT, HUH? YES SIR. ALRIGHT, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? UH, JUST CLARIFICATION. SO FULL YEAR, HALF YEAR, YOU WANT 'EM TO BE ABLE TO START IMMEDIATELY OR I'D LIKE HIM TO START IMMEDIATELY. AND THEN WHERE WOULD IT BE FUNDED FROM? JUST FUND BALANCE. TAKE FUND BALANCE DOWN. I DUNNO. ALBERTA, HOW WOULD THAT BE? WE DO Q2. AND HERE, HERE'S ONE REASON I SAY THAT. THAT'S FINE. IF YOU SAY Q1, THE, NOT THAT CHIEF OR ANYBODY WOULD MISSPEND THE MONEY, BUT ONCE WE BUDGET THE MONEY, IT'S THERE TO BE USED. AND THE ODDS OF THEM HIRING SOMEBODY IN AN NEXT 30 DAYS THAT GIVES HIM TIME TO DO A SEARCH, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA TAKE A COUPLE MONTHS. AND IT'S Q2 CA, UH, FISCAL NOT CALENDAR, NOT, YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT. ALRIGHT, Q2. THANK YOU, PETER. WHO WAS THE SECOND ON THAT? UH, I WAS AND THE FUNDING SOURCE? YES, IT WOULD COME, UH, IT WOULD REDUCE THE, THE ADDITION OF 383,494 ADDITION TO FUND BALANCE. WHAT? UM, IT WOULD REDUCE IT BY THAT AMOUNT. THAT IS REDUCE THE FUND BALANCE. SO WHERE YOU'RE ADDING 383,494, UM, TO FUND BALANCE, UM, THAT WILL BE LESS THE AMOUNT FOR THIS POSITION TO START IN QUARTER TWO. WHICH, UM, SO IT WOULD COME OUTTA THAT 3 83 4, 9 4. YES, SIR. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. OR A FUND BALANCE FOR EASE OF DISCUSSION, WOULD THAT ENABLE US TO STILL STAY ABOVE THE 20%? UH, YOU'LL BE ABOVE 20. OKAY. IT'LL, IT'LL PUT YOU FURTHER AWAY FROM THE 25 MM-HMM . BUT IT WOULD LOWER THAT 23.9 MM-HMM . SLIGHTLY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE IN THE AMENDMENT. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MAYOR PROM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MOTION PASSES TO SEVEN ZERO. NOW WE HAVE THE OVERALL BUDGET WITH THAT AMENDMENT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SO THE OVERALL AMENDMENT REPLACE THE CANON OFFICER WITH THE CRISIS INTERVENTION OFFICER TO STARTING Q2. ALSO, IT'S INCLUDING ADDING THE IT SPECIALIST TO START IN Q2. THOSE WAS THE ONLY CHANGES. THAT'S IT. THE NEW ORG CHART. OH, THE ORG CHART. THE ORG CHART. ORG CHART. MM-HMM . THAT'S RIGHT. I WOULD JUST SAY THIS FOR THE PUBLIC. UM, NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA VOTE FOR THIS, I DON'T THINK. UM, AND, AND THAT'S FINE. WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IN MY MIND, UM, FOR ME, I HEARD EVERYBODY LOUD AND CLEAR, DO MORE WITH LESS DON'T RAISE TAXES. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. WE'VE WORKED WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND I THINK HE HAS HEARD ALONG WITH HIS STAFF THAT WE REALLY WANNA FIND A WAY TO USE EITHER TECHNOLOGY OR POLICY CHANGES TO BECOME, UM, MORE EFFICIENT WITH, UM, WITH OUR FTES AND OUR ORG CHART, WE'VE DONE THAT. UM, WE'VE ALSO, UM, FULLY FUNDED OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE AS PER THE, I THINK IT WAS A STUDY A COUPLE YEARS AGO. SO THAT'S NOW BUMPED UP TO OVER $2 MILLION IN ROAD MAINTENANCE. THAT'S MORE ROADS GETTING PAVED, REPAVED, WE HAVE OVER A YEAR OF ROAD PROJECTS AS THEY GET, UH, FULLY PERMITTED. THEY'RE ALREADY FUNDED, READY TO GO. AND THEN LASTLY, WHEN WENT FROM A 20% RESERVE UP TO A 23 SOMETHING PERCENT RESERVE, SO A BULK OF OUR MONEY, UM, WE COULD HAVE SPENT OTHER THINGS. WE'RE ACTUALLY INCREASING OUR RESERVES, WHICH I THINK IS, IS, UH, A PRUDENT THING TO DO. IN THE PAST, WE'VE SPENT EVERY DIME UP UNTIL THE 20% WHAT WE HAD TO HIT THIS YEAR WE'RE ADDING TO OUR RESERVES. SO I THINK ALL IN ALL, UM, I WOULD'VE CUT MORE OUTTA THE BUDGET. I KNOW A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK WE'RE MAKING, WE'VE TALKED A LOT AND WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF CONCESSIONS AND COMPROMISES AND COLLABORATED TO COME UP THE BUDGET SUCH AS WE DID. AND [02:50:01] I'LL JUST SAY I, OVERALL, I WON'T BE ALSO VOTING FOR THE, FOR THE OVERALL BUDGET. I LIKE SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. I REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, COUNCIL'S WILLINGNESS TO ADD MORE TO THE PD. THAT'S KIND OF BEEN A CONCERN OF MINE. UM, MY FEELING IS I THINK WE CUT WAY TOO MUCH OUTTA THIS BUDGET. I THINK WE CUT A LOT OF NEEDS. UM, NOT JUST WANTS, IT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. I KNOW THAT THERE'S DISAGREEMENT ON THAT. UM, BUT IN, IN MY OPINION, I THINK THAT WE, UH, YOU KNOW, TRAINING TOOK A HUGE HIT. UH, I THINK THAT'S, UH, NECESSARY, UM, FOR, FOR STAFF. I, I JUST WORRY THAT, UH, THAT WE, WE CUT TOO DEEPLY AND WE'RE GONNA SEE THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT GOING ON, SO, ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL TO VOTE. MAYOR PRO TIMM THORNTON. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. MOTION PASSES. FIVE TWO. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM TEN THREE, [10.3. Consideration and possible action to approve Resolution No. R-2025-204 ratifying the property tax increase reflected in the City of Hutto Fiscal Year 2025-2026 operating budget. (Alberta Barrett)] CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE. RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2025 DASH 24 RATIFYING THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE REFLECTED IN THE CITY OF HUDU FISCAL YEAR 2025 TO 2026 OPERATING BUDGET AND I MOVE TO RATIFY THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 TO 2026 OF THE CITY OF IDAHO, TEXAS. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON NAY. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. FIVE TWO. NEXT ITEM [10.4. Conduct a public hearing and related items in consideration and possible action to approve Ordinance No. 0-2025-034 of the City of Hutto, Texas, levying Ad Valorem taxes for the use and support of the municipal government for the City of Hutto for the Fiscal Year 2025-2026. (Alberta Barrett)] TEN FOUR, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND RELATED ITEMS IN CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER O DASH 2025 DASH 0 3 4 OF THE CITY OF HU TEXAS, LEVYING AD VALOREM TAXES FOR THE USE AND SUPPORT OF THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT FOR THE CITY OF HU FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 TO 2026. WE'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:52 PM IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISHES TO COME UP AND SPEAK REGARDING OUR AD VALOREM TAXES I'S SEEING NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:52 PM AND I MOVE THAT THE TAX RATE WILL RAISE MORE TAXES FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS IN LAST YEAR'S TAX RATE. THE TAX RATE WILL EFFECTIVELY BE DECREASED BY 5.11% AND WE'LL DECREASE TAXES FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS ON A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS HOME BY APPROXIMATELY $13 AND 62 CENTS. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION AND THE PROPOSED TAX RATE? POINT THREE 8 5 9 2 8 RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. FIVE TWO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM TEN FIVE PUBLIC HEARING RELATED. UH, TEN FIVE PUBLIC HEARING AND RELATED ACTION. A CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2025 DASH 1 75 APPROVING THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION OF THE KIRK TRACT. 77.2 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED, UH, OFF OF FM 1660 SOUTH. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNSEL FOR THE RECORD. ASHLEY BAILEY, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. UM, THESE NEED TO BE, I SUPPOSE POSTPONED THE MSA IS NOT YET READY. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT JONAH'S LEGAL STILL WORKING WITH OURS TO ENSURE THAT THE MSA IS UPDATED. SO WE CANNOT DO THE ANNEXATION YET. ALRIGHT. AND JUST TO LET COUNSEL KNOW, JONAH UH, SPECIAL UTILITY DISTRICT DID MEET TODAY AND THEY CAME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND AUTHORIZED THEIR GENERAL MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AMENDMENT WITH THE AGREEMENT WITH HUDU TO PROVIDE FOR THE TEMPORARY WATER SERVICE BY HUDU FOR THIS TRACT. AND SO ONCE WE GET THAT, WE'LL UPDATE THE MSA AND WE PROBABLY SHOULD POSTPONE TO, UH, OCTOBER 2ND. IS THIS THE LAST THING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR THAT? YEAH, I'M GONNA SAY AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO JUST CONTINUE THE PUBLIC. THAT'S A AND B? YES, PLEASE. UH, SO NO OBJECTIONS. WE'LL POSTPONE TEN FIVE A AND B TO SEPTEMBER 18TH AND I THINK ON, DID YOU SEE OCTOBER 2ND? OCTOBER 2ND? OH, I'M SORRY, YOU SAID OCTOBER 2ND? YES. I JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, IF ALL WE NEED WAS THAT DATE, [02:55:01] WE GOT THE DATE ON B, WE AT LEAST NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONTINUE IT. OKAY, BUT YOU'RE SAYING OCTOBER 2ND. SECOND POSTPONED OCTOBER 2ND. OKAY. I FORGOT. DO I NEED A, IS THAT A VOTE OR IS THAT'S A OBJECTIONABLE THING. IF YOU CAN SAY TO COUNSEL, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, WE'LL POSTPONE 10.5 A TO OCTOBER 2ND. IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, WE'LL POSTPONE TEN FIVE A TO OCTOBER 2ND. NO OBJECTIONS. BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION. SO AS PART OF THIS MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT, IS THAT WHERE IT WILL BE WORKED OUT? LIKE WHOSE WATER METERS ARE GONNA BE INSTALLED IN ALL THESE HOUSES? CORRECT. IT'S IF IT'S GONNA BE HUS OR JONAH'S, UM, HOW IT'S GONNA BE, HOW THE TRANSITION WILL HAPPEN, WHO'S GONNA PAY WHO THEY'RE GONNA PAY THE IMPACT FEES TO IF IT GOES TO HU OR IF IT GOES TO JONAH OR WHO COLLECT, I MEAN THAT'S ALL PART OF THIS. RIGHT? WE COULD MAKE IT THAT SPECIFIC. IF IT'S GONNA BE CITY WATER, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD ALWAYS CHARGE OUR OWN IMPACT FEES. WE UNDERSTAND JONAH'S ATTORNEY'S GONNA TAKE THE FIRST UH, DRAFT OF THE AGREEMENT. SO WE'LL IRON OUT ALL THOSE CONSIDERATIONS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT THEN B UH, IS CONTINUE A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE ACTION OR DECEMBER O DASH 2025 DASH 0 26 APPROVING THE ANNEXATION OF THE KIRK TRACK. 77.2 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED OFF OF FM 1660 SOUTH. AND WE NEED TO ADJOURN THIS, POSTPONE IT UNTIL OCTOBER 2ND. YOU OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING WHAT SAYS CONTINUE A PUBLIC HEARING? WELL, YES, 'CAUSE IT, YOU'RE CONTINUING IT TO THIS DATE. SO WE OPEN AND THEN, UM, NOBODY'S GONNA SPEAK THEN YOU CONTINUE IT TO UM, 10 TO, OKAY. SO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:56 PM IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO COME UP AND SPEAK THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT THEN WE WILL CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL OCTOBER 2ND. THAT CHECKED ALL THE BOXES, RIGHT? IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS. ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE NOW WE'RE STARTING TO, NOW WE'RE STARTING TO ROLL HOOK WITH A WHALE. OKAY. AND WE [11. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ] COME TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE ITEMS 11 ONE THROUGH 1126. I'VE BEEN ASKED TO PULL ITEM 1125. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS ANYONE WISHES TO PULL? RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO PERSONALLY PULL ITEM 11, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, AND 17. WAIT 11, TRY THAT AGAIN. 11 FOUR THROUGH 1117. THERE'S NO OTHER ITEMS. ANYONE WISHES TO PULL, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS. 11 1 2 3 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 AND 26. SO I MOVED SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THOSE ITEMS? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL TO VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MAYOR PROM THORNTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING. AYE. QUESTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. SO WE'LL START WITH ITEM [Items 11.4 - 11.17] 11 FOUR, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2025 DASH 27 REGARDING THE NEW ROTATION LIST FOR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS. TESTING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WITH ROB KISSNER, INCORPORATED, S AND ASSOCIATES INCORPORATED, UES PROFESSIONAL SOLUTIONS 44 LLC BRAUN INTERTECH CORPORATION AND HBJ SOUTH CENTRAL TEXAS. SO HERE'S MY UNDERLYING CONCERN ON THE NEXT WHATEVER, IT'S 15 OF THEM. FOR THE SMALL ONES LIKE MATERIALS TESTING OR GEO-ENGINEERING, I DON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN ISSUE WITH HAVING A ROTATION, BUT WHEN WE GET INTO LIKE TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING AND ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING, I THINK WE'RE MISSING ABOUT, I THINK WE'VE TRIED THIS FOR A COUPLE YEARS. I THINK PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GETTING ON A ROTATION LIST, THEY'RE NOT HITTING DEADLINES, THEY'RE COMING BACK WITH CHANGE ORDERS. THE COSTS ARE HIGHER THAN WE'RE SEEING OUT IN OTHER FIELDS. AND I THINK HONESTLY THE BIG THINGS NEED TO BE COMPETITIVELY BID. SO AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA HOLD UP TESTING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT MIGHT BE $20,000, BUT WHEN A PERSON HAS A MILLION OR [03:00:01] $2 MILLION ENGINEERING CONTRACT, I REALLY THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO LINE 'EM UP, PUT OUT THE INFORMATION AND REALLY DIG INTO WHAT THEY WANT THE DEADLINE IT'S GONNA TAKE AND REALLY TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 'CAUSE THIS HAS BEEN, I THINK THIS IS OUR THIRD YEAR DOING THIS ROTATING AND I JUST DON'T SEE, I HONESTLY DON'T SEE CHANGES IN, IN TIMING OR COST. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S THE OPPOSITE. SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I BRING IT UP. SO I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH 11 FOUR. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO PASS 11 FOUR AS PRESENTED. SO COULD YOU RESPOND TO THE, THE MAYOR'S CONCERNS FOR US, SO WE CAN ALL HEAR. HOLD ON THERE. SO MOTION SECOND. ALL RIGHT, MATT. UH, OKAY. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD. MATT RECTOR, CITY ENGINEER. SO THE REASON WHY WE'VE BEEN DOING THE ROTATION LISTS IS BECAUSE, UH, WHEN WE PROCURE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, UH, TYPICALLY YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN RFQ PROCESS. SO THAT'S A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS. THEN THEY HAVE TO GIVE YOU STATEMENTS OF QUALIFICATIONS. SO FOR THESE ROTATION LISTS, WE DID THAT. WE DID THAT WITH, I BELIEVE WE HAD, I WANNA SAY NORTH OF 80 STATEMENTS OF QUALIFICATIONS THAT WE HAD TO GO THROUGH TO GET ALL THESE ROTATION LISTS PUT TOGETHER. AND THE REASON WE DO THAT IS BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE ALL THESE ENGINEERING FIRMS BASICALLY ON STANDBY AS SOON AS YOU HAVE A PROJECT. SO IT WAS BASICALLY A WAY FOR US TO MOVE FAST. UM, SO YOU, YOU ARE LEGALLY PROHIBITED IN THE STATE OF TEXAS FROM COMPETING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES ON PRICE. YOU CAN ONLY SELECT THEM BASED ON QUALIFICATIONS. SO I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO DO THE ROTATION LIST, BUT, UH, YOU, YOU COULD, FOR EVERY PROJECT THAT WE HAVE, WE COULD DO THIS INDIVIDUALLY AND DO A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR EACH OF THOSE FIRMS. BUT WE CAN'T COMPETE THEM ON PRICE. WE HAVE TO COMPETE THEM BASED ON THEIR QUALIFICATIONS. AND THEN WE WOULD SELECT WHATEVER ENGINEERING FIRM WE CHOOSE. AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO GO AND NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITH THEM AS A PUBLIC ENTITY. AS A PUBLIC ENTITY. YES SIR. BUT IF THE ENGINEERING'S DONE BY THE EDC, THEN WE CAN NEGOTIATE PRICE AND WE CAN, THEY CAN BID AGAINST EACH OTHER BECAUSE THAT'S A PRIVATE ENTITY. IS THAT CORRECT? UM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT MAKING THEM BID AGAINST EACH OTHER. I WOULD DEFER TO LEGAL ON, ON THAT. BUT YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. IF YOU'RE DOING IT AS A PRIVATE CORPORATION, YOU CAN GO HAND PICK WHATEVER ENGINEER YOU WANT AND YOU CAN NEGOTIATE THAT PRICE WITH THEM. AND YOU CAN, I MEAN, I GUESS POTENTIALLY YOU COULD COM WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THE, UH, THE BIDDING STATUTE, THE ADVERTISEMENTS AND THE, THOSE THINGS. SO, AND THAT'S MY THING. I WANT US COMPETITIVELY BIDDING. I DON'T LIKE RF QS BECAUSE WE PICK THREE PEOPLE AND THEN WE NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT. WELL, THEN YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN PICKED, YOU'RE NEXT IN LINE. SO IT JUST FEELS LIKE THE MOST EASIEST WAY TO SCREW THE PUBLIC IS TO LIKE, I'M NEXT AND NOW I KNOW YOU'RE PICKING ME AND NOW I'M GONNA COME UP AND WE'RE GONNA NEGOTIATE. HOW DOES THAT EVEN WORK? IN THE REGULAR WORLD, YOU WOULD HAVE THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER GOING, HEY, HERE'S MY, HERE'S MY BEST BID. YOU'RE CALLING 'EM UP, YOU'RE SAYING, HEY, I MEAN, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GONNA TAKE 15 MONTHS TO ENGINEER THIS. YOU CAN'T KNOCK THAT DOWN TO NINE. YEAH, MAYBE WE COULD. AND SO THAT'S BEEN MY PROBLEM IS, AND IT WAS WHEN COUNCILMAN MORRIS AND I WERE TALKING AT A, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? UH, NOT A DEPOSITION, UH, THE MEDIATION MEDIA, THE MEDIATION THAT I'M JUST LIKE FRUSTRATED. 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING SCREWED ALL THE TIME. AND A GUY'S LIKE, YOU CAN'T DO IT 'CAUSE OF PUBLIC LAWS. AND ABOUT THE FOURTH TIME HE WAS LIKE, IT'S 'CAUSE YOU'RE A PUBLIC ENTITY. AND THEN I WAS LIKE, WELL, WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT THE EDC? AND THE CITY MANAGER BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT. WHAT STOPS EDC FROM GOING ROGUE AND JUST PICKING BEST FRIENDS? UM, I THINK THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF HAVING FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THERE. AND I THINK IN ORDER FOR THE, UM, CITY COUNCIL TO PAY THAT, UM, THOSE BILLS, I THINK AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT NEEDS TO COME IN TO WHERE THE EDC AGREES THAT THE THINGS WILL BE COMPETITIVELY BID. THEY FOLLOW WHATEVER RULES WE WANNA HAVE, BECAUSE NO ONE'S TRYING TO GET OUT OF THAT. I THINK THAT THE INTENT IS TO GET PEOPLE TO DO THINGS CHEAPER AND FASTER. WHEREAS RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE A SINGLE PROJECT THAT'S HIT A DEADLINE IN TWO YEARS. I MEAN, IN EVERYBODY THAT PULLS UP HERE, IF THEY WANT PROOF, JUST GO TO THE VIETNAM MEMORIAL. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE BUILT AND OPEN BY MEMORIAL DAY. AND NOW I'M HOPING IT'S DONE BY VETERANS DAY. I MEAN, WE'VE MISSED LABOR DAY, WE'VE MISSED JULY 4TH. AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S CAUSING IT. I'M NOT BLAMING YOU. I'M ACTUALLY BLAMING THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER. SO FOR ME, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T MIND IT SOMEONE DOING MATERIALS TESTING BECAUSE THAT'S SUCH A SMALL AMOUNT. BUT IF YOU'RE GARVER AND YOU'RE SIGNING UP AND YOU NEED A $300,000 CHANGE ORDER BECAUSE [03:05:01] WE ASKED YOU SOME QUESTIONS AND A LITTLE BIT OF A SCOPE CHANGE, I MEAN, THAT'S $300,000 AND WE JUST KEEP HAVING THESE CHANGE ORDERS HITTING US REGULARLY. AND I'M JUST LIKE, MAN, THAT JUST, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST CAN'T CONTINUE ON THAT. SO HOW IS THIS GONNA, HOW IS NOT DOING THIS ROTATION LIST GONNA FIX ANYTHING THAT THE MAYOR JUST SAID? UH, SO I BELIEVE WHAT THE MAYOR IS SUGGESTING IS THAT INSTEAD OF US HAVING A ROTATION LIST OF ENGINEERING FIRMS, THAT WE HAVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE EDC AND THE EDC. OKAY. I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING IT THROUGH THE EDC. THE PROCUREMENT LAWS ARE IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS TO PROTECT TAX DOLLARS. AM I WRONG? IS IS ARE LEGAL? AM I WRONG ON THAT? IT'S, UH, WELL, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, I'LL DEFER TO, TO LEGAL ON THE ACTUAL LEGAL ANSWER, BUT MY INTERPRETATION IS YES, IT'S THERE TO PROTECT CITIZENS, BUT IT'S ALSO THERE TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE FAIR AND EQUITABLE SELECTION PROCESSES ACROSS ENGINEERING FIRMS SO THAT WE AREN'T PICKING THE SAME OUR BUDDIES, SO TO SPEAK, RIGHT. OVER AND OVER AND OVER. AND GIVING THEM ALL THE WORK THAT FUNDED BY TAXPAYER DOLLARS. HOW WAS THE ROTATION BEING DONE BEFORE? BECAUSE I REMEMBER THAT BEING A, AN ISSUE. SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF, COUNCILMAN GORDON. HOW WAS THAT BEING DONE BEFORE? BECAUSE DIDN'T WE SWITCH TO THIS ROTATION SYSTEM BECAUSE WE WERE DOING EXACTLY THAT, OR THERE WAS THAT THOUGHT THAT WE WERE DOING EXACTLY THAT? UM, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW GARVER WAS, WAS I, I I MEAN, WE WENT TO ROTATION LISTS TO SPEED THINGS UP, BECAUSE OTHERWISE ON THE PUBLIC SIDE WE WOULD HAVE TO DO AN RFQ CALL FOR EVERY PROJECT. AND GRANTED, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MISSING DEADLINES. BUT DOING A LOT OF THE DEADLINES THOUGH, IS THAT THAT'S ON CONTRACTORS, NOT ON THE ENGINEERS. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. BUT THE DEADLINES COULD STILL GET MISSED. IT'S JUST, IT'S GONNA TAKE LONGER TO, YOU KNOW, THE DEADLINE'S GONNA BE FURTHER OUT BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE THE TIME ON THE FRONT END. SO WHENEVER COUNSEL GAVE DIRECTION BACK THEN MOVE FAST, THIS IS THE WAY THAT YOU MOVE FASTER AS A PUBLIC ENTITY. GOTCHA. AND THAT'S WHY WE WENT TO THE ROTATION LIST. SO WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE A 60 TO 90 DAY WINDOW OF TIME BEFORE EVERY PROJECT STARTS TO DO A QUALIFICATION AND THEN TO AWARD, AND THEN TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT AND ALL THAT OTHER SORT OF STUFF. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. SO THAT'S, I WAY, THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS IS, IS WE BRING THIS ROTATION LIST TO YOU GUYS IN SEPTEMBER MM-HMM . AND THEN ONCE YOU APPROVE THE ROTATION LIST, WE BRING ALL THE, UM, MUNICIPAL SERVICE AGREEMENTS. NO. YES. THE MASTER SERVICE, MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENTS TO YOU IN THE NEXT MEETING IN SEPTEMBER AND THEN IN OCTOBER. TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS AWARD ALL THE CONTRACTS. SO WE HIT THE GROUND RUNNING RIGHT, RIGHT OUT THE GATE. UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WAS TO THE CITY MANAGER'S POINT, THAT WAS IN AN EFFORT BECAUSE HE DIRECTED ME GO FAST. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S THE SYSTEM THAT I CAME UP WITH THAT MOST CITIES USE WHEN THEY NEED TO GO FAST. GOTCHA. UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. UM, IT'S NOT PERFECT. I, I'LL AGREE WITH YOU. I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. IT'S DEFINITELY NOT A PERFECT SYSTEM. UM, IN MY OWN DEFENSE, I WILL SAY THAT I HAVE ACTUALLY PASSED UP, UH, SEVERAL FIRMS BECAUSE TYPICALLY WHEN WE BRING A NUMBER TO YOU GUYS AND SAY, THIS PROJECT IS GONNA COST $5 MILLION, WE'LL TELL YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, YOUR DESIGN COST SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 10 TO 12% OF THAT. SO IF A ENGINEERING FIRM CAME TO ME AND SAID, OKAY, WE WANT 25% OF THE TOTAL PROJECT COST, I'M LIKE, NO, YOU GET BETWEEN 10 AND 12% AND I'M NOT GIVING YOU ANY MORE. AND IF THEY CAN'T GET THERE, THEN I'M LIKE, OKAY, I'M TERMINATING THESE PER THE STATE STATUTES. I'M TERMINATING THIS NEGOTIATION WITH YOU AND I'M MOVING TO THE NEXT GUY IN LINE. OKAY. AND THAT'S 'CAUSE CAN'T GET THERE. THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT QUESTION IS JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S NEXT IN LINE DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY BLINDLY GOING TO JUST GIVE IT TO THEM. THERE'S STILL DUE DILIGENCE THAT YOU'RE DOING, YOU'RE STILL TALKING TO THEM TO A LIMITED EXTENT. YEAH. I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I I WON'T TRY TO TELL YOU THAT I'M LIKE NICKEL AND DIMMING ALL THE WAY DOWN. AS LONG AS THEY'RE GETTING INTO THAT 10 TO 12% RANGE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TELLING YOU GUYS, THEN I'M LIKE, OKAY, IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH. BUT IF THEY'RE WAY OUTSIDE OF THAT RANGE, I'M LIKE, IF YOU CAN'T GET THERE, THEN I'M TERMINATING THIS NEGOTIATION AND I'M MOVING ON TO THE NEXT GUY IN LINE. OKAY. AND SOMETIMES THAT MOTIVATES THEM TO BRING THEIR PRICES WAY DOWN TO GET TO WHERE I NEED 'EM TO BE. AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, JUST WE CAN'T GET THERE. GO TO THE NEXT PERSON IN LINE. OKAY. BECAUSE, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF A FEAR THAT I HEARD WAS THAT, HEY, THERE'S, THERE'S JUST THIS ROTATION LIST AND YOU'RE JUST GONNA GO TO THE NEXT ONE. AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S AN INCENTIVE FOR THAT COMPANY BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY'RE NEXT IN LINE AND THAT THEY'RE GUARANTEED TO GET THAT PROJECT THAT THEY'RE GONNA INCREASE THEIR COST. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IF THEY'RE DOING THAT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE CALLING 'EM AND SAYING, NO, OH, THIS IS THE RANGE. THIS IS WHERE YOU NEED TO BE. YEP. AND IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA COME IN LINE, THEN YOU GET KICKED TO THE END OF THE LINE AND THEY KINDA LEARN THEIR LESSON. SO THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS WITH THE ROTATION LIST, REALLY IT'S ALL ABOUT THE QUALIFICATIONS, CORRECT? RIGHT. IT'S, IT'S GETTING THEIR QUAL, JUST MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE WHO IS IN THE QUEUE, IN LINE, THEIR QUALIFICATIONS [03:10:01] ARE UP TO A MINIMUM PAR OF WHAT THEY NEED TO BE WHEN THEY'RE GONNA DEAL WITH THE CITY. YES. THAT DOESN'T PREVENT US FROM STILL, WHEN YOU DO THE AWARDING OF THE PROJECTS, APPROVING A ROTATION LIST DOESN'T PREVENT YOU FROM GOING TO THOSE COMPANIES AND NEGOTIATING AND SAYING, HEY, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? AND HOW ARE YOU GONNA WORK THIS? AND WHAT'S YOUR PRICE GONNA BE? THIS ISN'T SETTING PRICES RIGHT. THIS IS JUST BASICALLY ELIMINATING A LOT OF THE BUREAUCRACY THAT IS KIND OF BUILT IN SPEEDING THINGS UP. UM, AND THEN TRYING TO, AT LEAST, I MEAN, BECAUSE I THINK IN MY OPINION WAS IF WE DIDN'T DO THIS ROTATION LIST, THINGS DIDN'T HIT THEIR THEIR DATES BEFORE, THEY REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE HIT THEIR DATES BEFORE IT WOULD'VE ADDED ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, 60, 90 DAYS TO THE WHOLE PROCESS AND IT WOULD'VE EVEN BEEN WORSE THAN WHAT IT IS. RIGHT. AND THE OTHER, THE OTHER CLARIFICATION THAT I'LL OFFER IS THAT THE ROTATION LIST DOESN'T LOCK US IN. FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRST YEAR WE DID THIS IN 2023 WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, UH, WE HAD, WE SELECTED A GROUP OF ARCHITECTS AND THAT WAS GONNA BE CARRIED OVER INTO THE 2024 YEAR. AND WHEN THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING AND THE JUSTICE CENTER BOTH CAME UP, UH, I ASKED ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE FIRMS THAT WERE ON OUR ROTATION LIST, GIVE US ALL OF YOUR BACKGROUND ON PUBLIC WORKS BUILDINGS AND GIVE US ALL OF YOUR BACKGROUND ON JUSTICE CENTERS, POLICE STATIONS, THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND THEN I SENT THOSE PUBLIC WORKS SUBMITTALS TO CITY MANAGER AND TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. AND I SENT THE, THE POLICE STATION JUSTICE CENTERS TO CITY MANAGER AND PD. AND FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS SIDE, WE SELECTED ONE OF OUR ROTATION BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THEY WERE THE MOST QUALIFIED. BUT WE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING THAT THEY, THAT THE FOUR FIRMS HAD GIVEN US FOR PD OR JUSTICE, AND WE SAID, NO, WE DON'T REALLY LIKE ANY OF THEM. SO WE DID A FULL RFQ AND WENT OUT AND THAT'S HOW WE SELECTED THE FIRM THAT'S ACTUALLY DOING THE POLICE STATION. SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT LOCKS US INTO THESE SPECIFIC FIRMS, IT'S JUST A WAY FOR US TO HAVE FIRMS READILY AVAILABLE SO WE CAN MOVE AS FAST AS WE WANNA MOVE NOW. YES. YOU KNOW, IN, IN EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO IN ENGINEERING, THERE ARE THREE THINGS. THERE'S TIME, THERE'S COST AND THERE'S ACCURACY. AND WHAT I'VE BEEN TRAINED MY ENTIRE CAREER, WHICH IS COMING UP ON 20 YEARS, YES, I KNOW I LOOK GOOD, BUT 20 YEARS NOW, IS THAT YOU ONLY GET TO PICK TWO. YEP. SO IF YOU WANNA MOVE FAST AND YOU WANT IT DONE RIGHT, THEN IT'S NOT GONNA BE CHEAP. YEP. IF YOU WANT IT DONE FAST AND CHEAP, , IT'S NOT GONNA BE RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE THINGS THAT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TAUGHT. UM, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, MOST, MOST PEOPLE WANT IT DONE RIGHT. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF DO YOU WANT IT FAST OR DO YOU WANT IT CHEAP? AND SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS FOR THE WHOLE THING. I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THIS AS AVAILABLE TOOL, AND IF WE DON'T USE IT, THEN WE DON'T USE IT. I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS SAY YES, LET'S DO THE ROTATION LIST, BUT THEN LET'S HAVE THE EDC DO ALL THE CONTRACTS FOR US SO THEY CAN JUST GO GRAB WHATEVER ENGINEERING FIRM THEY WANT. AND, AND I JUST WANNA CORRECT YOU, WHEN YOU DO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE HOW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, THEY'RE GONNA BE LIMITED TO THE PROJECTS THAT BENEFIT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. MM-HMM . SO IF WE HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT THAT WE CAN SHOW, UH, HAS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSE, YES. YOU CAN DO THAT UNDER THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. YOU JUST CAN'T DO ALL OF YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. OUR PRO PRODUCT. YEAH. AND I'LL FINISH THESE COMMENTS. SO I'D SAY THIS, AND I AGREE WITH YOUR TIME, COST AND VALUE, BUT WE HAVE HOW MANY PROJECTS RIGHT NOW ARE CURRENTLY IN, IN DESIGN? UM, WE HAVE I THINK 60 PROJECTS TOTAL. AND I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT 20 OF THEM ARE IN CONSTRUCTION. SO ABOUT 40 PROJECTS ARE IN DESIGN. OKAY. SO GIVE OR TAKE, ALRIGHT. SO WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AT THE CIP, I DON'T SEE ANY PROJECTS THAT IMMEDIATELY HAVE TO GO OUT. LIKE, IF WE DON'T HIT THIS, LIKE WE'RE GONNA HIT IT, WE GOT A DEADLINE. WE DON'T HAVE THAT BECAUSE WE WE'RE TWO OR THREE YEARS OUT ON DESIGNING A PROJECT. SO I THINK NOW WE CAN SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND GO, OKAY, LET'S START WORKING ON THE COST ASPECT OF THIS BECAUSE, WELL, WE'VE GOT MORE PROJECTS THAT COULD HIT CONSTRUCTION IF THEY WERE, BUT FOR, THEY'RE NOT DESIGNED YET. AND THEN WE HAVE MORE PROJECTS THAT WILL HIT, BUT YET WE CAN'T GO TO WHOLE CITY IN CONSTRUCTION. SO I THINK TIME IS ON OUR SIDE. THEN THE OTHER THING IS, THIS IS WHERE WE GOT THE 17,000 WALL DOLLAR WALL WAS A, WAS A DEAL LIKE THIS. WELL, THEY WERE ON THE LIST. AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOUR HANDS ARE TIED BEHIND YOUR BACK NEGOTIATING WITH SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN SELECTED. NOW WE GET INTO THIS, WELL, YOU HAVE THE 25% ALL THAT, BUT IT'S THE SAME ARGUMENT I'VE HAD WITH JAMES. IF I'M A, IF I'M A ENGINEER, WHICH I'M NOT, I NEVER EVEN TOOK A CLASS, I DON'T THINK IN ENGINEERING, BUT I GOT THE MERIT BADGE. IF YOU [03:15:01] TELL ME I'M GETTING 10% OF THE COST IN ENGINEERING, WHAT WOULD STOP ME FROM TRYING TO OVER-ENGINEER THAT THING? BECAUSE A $10 OR A $10 MILLION ROAD, I GET PAID A MILLION, A $20 MILLION ROAD, I GET PAID 2 MILLION. AND I JUST FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT IF THE ONLY THING IN THE PUBLIC BIDDING SIDE, IT DOESN'T PROTECT THE PUBLIC. AND THE REASON I'M ALMOST CONFIDENT IT DOESN'T IS HOW MANY TIMES, JAMES, HAVE YOU TOLD ME THE REASON IT GETS CHEAPER IS BECAUSE IT'S A PRIVATE SECTOR. SO WHAT THE HELL IS THE PRIVATE SECTOR DOING THAT? THE PUBLIC SECTOR'S NOT, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THEY BID THIS STUFF OUT. THEY DON'T SIT BACK AND GO, OKAY, IT'S JUST ME AND YOU. WHAT'S THE BEST DEAL YOU GOT FOR ME? UH, 10% OF THE COST. AND NOW WE HAVE SOME TIME TO AT LEAST TRY THIS. YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK WITH A ROTATION LIST THREE MONTHS FROM NOW. BUT TO ME, WE, TO ME THIS IS RUSH HAY MIX WASTE. WE'RE WASTING MONEY IN SPEED AND WE DON'T NEED TO SPEED BECAUSE WE HAVE 40 PROJECTS IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW. WE CAN'T EVEN, WE CAN'T EVEN PAY FOR THEM ALL. WE'RE LITERALLY GONNA BE DESIGNING STUFF THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN FIGURED OUT HOW TO FUND YET. SO TO ME, WE GOT TIME. I'M TIRED OF $17,000 WALLS. I'D LIKE TO SEE PEOPLE LINED UP LITERALLY GOING, LOOK, I, I NEED, I NEED WORK. AND IF ANYTHING MORE NOW THAN EVER, THE WORK IS SLOWING DOWN FROM THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE, FROM THE ENGINEERING SIDE, THE WHOLE PRIVATE SECTOR'S SLOWING DOWN. NOW'S THE TIME. I THINK THAT WE WORK ON COST. AND, UM, SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE CONCERNS, BUT, UM, JAMES TOLD ME A HUNDRED TIMES, THE PRIVATE SECTOR GETS IT DONE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, THEY THE PRIVATE SECTOR, NOT THE PUBLIC. MAYBE WE OUGHT START ACTING LIKE THE PRIVATE SECTOR JUST A LITTLE. BUT, SO I, I HAVE TWO POINTS. UM, ONE IS THERE'S ALWAYS A GUARDRAIL WITH THE EDC THAT THE EDC CAN'T SPEND MONEY WITHOUT GETTING IT APPROVED BY COUNCIL. SO THERE IS APPROVAL THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL. UH, THE OTHER IS, IS A SUGGESTION THAT MAYBE WE KIND OF TAKE THE BEST OF THIS AND SAY THESE COMPANIES HAVE BEEN QUALIFIED BY THE CITY. SO EDC, YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, SIX COMPANIES IN TRANSPORTATION, ENGINEERING AND THE WAY THAT THE CURRENT SYSTEM WORKS WITH THE CITY, THEY HAVE TO PICK ONE AND NEGOTIATE. AND IF IT'S GOOD ENOUGH, IT'S GONNA GO THROUGH. YOU CAN'T REALLY PICK ONE AND THEN YOU, YOU CAN'T JUMP THROUGH ALL SIX OF 'EM. YOU MIGHT JUMP FROM ONE TO A SECOND OR EVEN A THIRD IF IT'S, IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE RIGHT ANSWERS, BUT YOU, THAT, THAT TAKES TIME. MM-HMM . TO DO THAT, WHERE THE EDC COULD SAY ALL SIX OF THESE COMPANIES REACH OUT TO ALL OF 'EM AND THEY'RE ALL BIDDING AGAINST EACH OTHER ON THAT PROJECT. THE COMPANIES ARE KNOWN GOOD BY THE CITY, BUT THE EDC CAN GET THE BEST PRICE OUT OF THE SIX. THAT'S A GREAT POINT. AND BEFORE YOU GET, YOU BETTER GO. YOU GOT AN OPPORTUNITY , UM, YOU'VE BEEN COUPLE THINGS. YOU'VE BEEN ITCHING, I KNOW , UM, WELL KIND OF WITH THE COUNCILMAN THORNTON, MAYBE THERE'S 14 HERE, I COUNTED PROPERLY. MAYBE SOME OF 'EM MAYBE, UH, AS A COMPROMISE GO TO THE ROTATION. SOME OF THEM DON'T, BUT THAT'S JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE THAT IS, BUT JUST THROWING THAT OUT. BUT OTHER THING IS, DO WE HAVE ANY WAY TO KIND OF GIVE A, A REPORT CARD? I TALKED A LITTLE BIT WITH THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THIS ON SPECIFIC PROJECTS, NOT A, YOU KNOW, SO, AND AGAIN, THAT KIND OF INDICES YOU TALKED ABOUT, I TALKED, YOU SAID ACCURACY, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENTATION, COMMUNICATION, HOW MANY CHANGE ORDERS IS THE COST? IS IT UP? IS THERE SCHEDULE, ARE THEY EARLY, ARE THEY LATE? JUST SOMETHING REAL QUICK. ONE PAGE, MAYBE EVEN CHECK BOXES. SCALE ZERO TO 10 THAT WE, FOR EVERY PROJECT THIS GETS PUT IN THEIR, THEIR FOLDER AND THEN, THEN WE COME IN AND LOOK AT, AT ALSO REQUALIFYING PEOPLE. MAYBE THIS GUY JUMPS DOWN THE LIST OR, OR HOWEVER THAT, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE DETAILS OF IT, BUT I THINK THEY WOULD BENEFIT FROM HAVING SOME TYPE OF REAL TIME GRADE, MORE OF A QUALITY THING AND YOU DECIDE THE INDICES, UM, OF THE, OF THE METRICS. BUT THAT ONE WE CAN GO IN AND LOOK AT, IS THIS WORKING OUT, YOU KNOW, UM, MAYBE ONE OF THESE ROTATIONS FOR, FOR, UH, MATERIAL OR ASSAY, WHATEVER. HEY, THAT'S BETTER TO BID OUT. I MEAN, THIS IS NOT WORKING. THESE PEOPLE ARE LATE. WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A GOOD QUALITY IN THIS AREA OF THE, OF THE STATE OR WHATEVER. AND TRANSPORTATION OR DELIVERY, WHATEVER THE COSTS ARE, WE JUST SAY, HEY, THIS SHOULD BE BETTER AT BID. BUT I THINK IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT METRIC TO GO IN AND LOOK BACK IN TIME, UM, TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS, THIS IS WORKING OUT AS MAYBE A JUST GENERALIZED, UH, MAYOR SAID THIS ONE'S NOT WORKING OUT AND THIS ONE ISN'T WORKING OUT. WHATEVER THAT IS. IF A REPORT CARD SYSTEM NOT TO BE DEFINED RIGHT NOW IS THAT COULD BE INSTITUTED TO KIND OF HELP IN THE GRADING OF IT AND IN THE QUALIFICATIONS IF NEEDED, OR ADDING OR SUBTRACTING INDIVIDUALS OR, HEY, MAYBE THIS JUST NEEDS TO BE A BID PROCESS OR THIS IS MORE APPLICABLE TO EDC. SO, UH, RIGHT NOW IT MAY BE TOO DIFFICULT RETROACTIVELY TO GO IN THE LAST 6, 8, 6, 12, 18 MONTHS [03:20:01] TO SAY WHAT THAT GRADE IS TO GOING FORWARD FOR TONIGHT. BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO MAYBE LOOK AT AT PURSUING IN THE FUTURE. YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBER, I, I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT. IN FACT, I'VE ALREADY DIRECTED MY TEAM AND I'VE ALREADY GIVEN THEM TEMPLATES TO BUILD A CONSULTANT EVALUATION FORM AND A CONTRACTOR EVALUATION FORM. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE CAN'T GO BACK 12, 18 MONTHS THE PROJECTS THAT WE ALREADY FINISHED. RIGHT. BUT FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN DESIGN OR CURRENTLY IN CONSTRUCTION, I WANT TO START EVALUATING THESE CONTRACTORS AND THESE CONSULTANTS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, I DID A LITTLE BIT OF TIME WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THEY'RE NOTORIOUS FOR THIS. AND THIS IS WHAT I TOLD MY STAFF. THIS WILL TELL YOU HOW GUY THIS WILL TELL YOU GUYS HOW BIG MY HEAD IS ABOUT HUDU. IS. I'M LIKE, PEOPLE WANT TO WORK HERE. PEOPLE WANT TO WORK FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. YOU KNOW WHY? 'CAUSE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S GOT A LOT OF MONEY MM-HMM . AND THEY HAVE A CONTRACTOR EVALUATION AND A CONSULTANT EVALUATION SYSTEM. AND IF YOU GET ON THEIR BAD SIDE WHERE YOU GET A BAD EVALUATION, YOU'RE DONE, THEN THAT MEANS YOU'RE LESS LIKELY TO GET GOVERNMENT MONEY. IF YOU GET MULTIPLE BAD EVALUATIONS, YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANY MORE GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS, YOU'RE DONE. AND THAT'S A HUGE HIT. AND SO I'M LIKE, WE SHOULD BE DOING THE SAME THING. WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT HUDU AT THE SAME LEVEL THAT WE THINK ABOUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IF PEOPLE WANT TO COME WORK HERE, THEY NEED TO UP THEIR GAME AND THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE EVALUATED AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT ON RECORD. AND IF THEY DON'T PERFORM, THEY DON'T COME BACK. LOVE IT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. MATT, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU. AS, UM, A PROJECT BID COORDINATOR IN, IN PROJECT MANAGER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SEE A LOT IS RFQ SLASH P MM-HMM . SO REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION AND PROPOSAL. THAT WAY YOU GET THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. THEY STAY COMPETITIVE WITH ONE ANOTHER BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT A, A REQUEST, UH, FOR QUALIFICATION, BUT ALSO A PROPOSAL AS WELL. IS THAT AN OPTION FOR FOR CONSTRUCTION? YES. AND WHAT WE CALL THEM IS CONS, WE CALL THEM COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSALS. CSPS MM-HMM . AND SO WHAT I'VE TOLD MY STAFF IS, IS THAT IF IT'S A SIMPLE PROJECT, MEANING IT'S LESS THAN A MILLION DOLLARS AND IT'S LIKE SIMPLE, STRAIGHTFORWARD, LIKE A STRAIGHTFORWARD ROAD REPAIR PROJECT OR A SIDEWALK PROJECT, THEN WE'LL JUST DO STRAIGHT BID BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED. RIGHT. IN THEORY, . BUT IF IT'S ANYTHING ABOVE THAT, THEN WE ARE NOT DOING STRAIGHT BIDS. BECAUSE IF YOU DO A STRAIGHT BID, IT'S TYPICALLY WHATEVER THE LOWEST PRICE IS WHAT YOU GET, RIGHT? MM-HMM . BUT A COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSAL, YOU CHOOSE THE QUALIFICATIONS THAT YOU WANT TO EVALUATE THAT ON. AND ONE OF THEM IS TYPICALLY ALWAYS PRICE. MM-HMM . BUT YOU ALSO LOOK AT MAYBE THEIR PROXIMITY TO HU OR THEIR PREVIOUS EXP EXPERIENCE OR, UH, PRIOR EVALUATIONS FROM OTHER CITIES THAT THEY'VE WORKED IN. YOU LAY OUT THAT CRITERIA, YOU HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT FOR THEM. AND SO THEY GIVE YOU THEIR PRICE, BUT THEY ALSO GIVE YOU ALL OF THIS OTHER DOCUMENTATION. AND THEN WE SIT DOWN AS A GROUP. I NEVER DO IT BY MYSELF. I ALWAYS HAVE A A, A GROUP THAT COMES IN AND WE SIT DOWN AND WE EVALUATE THEM INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN WE COME TOGETHER AS A GROUP AND SAY, OKAY, WHO WON THIS? AND WE GO THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FAIR AND UNBIASED. SO LIKE, UH, SABRINA WHO'S IN PROCUREMENT, SHE WILL SEND OUT, HERE'S HERE'S THE EVALUATION SHEET, HERE'S THE RUBRIC FOR EVERYBODY TO USE. THEN EVERYBODY SENDS THEIR INDIVIDUAL SCORES TO HER. SHE SUMS EVERYTHING UP AND TELLS US WHO, WHO ACTUALLY GETS THE PROJECT. AND OFTENTIMES WHEN WE DO CSPS, IT'S NOT THE LOWEST PRICE. RIGHT. IT'S NOT THE HIGHEST PRICE PERSON. IT'S TYPICALLY SOMEBODY IN THE MIDDLE, BUT IT'S BASED ON ALL THEIR OTHER QUALIFICATIONS AS WELL. RIGHT. THANK YOU. BUT WE ONLY DO, WE CAN'T DO THAT FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR. WE CANNOT COMPETE ENGINEERS BASED ON PRICE. ALRIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. UH, SORRY, WHAT WAS THE MOTION? I WAS STEPPED OUT TO APPROVE. 11 FOUR IS PRESENTED. 11 FOUR MM-HMM . OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER KING. AYE. MEMBER PORTERFIELD. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. MAYOR PROM THORNTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 11 FIVE THROUGH 1117 AS PRESENTED MOTION BY COUNCILOR GORDON. WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND MAKE IT BY COUNCILOR THOMPSON. AND JUST FOR CLARITY, IF THIS IS APPROVED, IT DOES NOT LOCK US INTO USING THE NEXT PERSON IN LINE IF YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE THE BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB. CORRECT. IT DOES NOT LOCK US INTO ANY KIND OF A PRICE. CORRECT. AND, AND TECHNICALLY IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER, I MEAN, MAYOR PRO TEM UH, THORNTON WAS SAYING EITHER THAT SHOULD THE EDC HAVE A WAY OF SPEEDING THINGS UP, THEY COULD TAKE ONE OFF. THEY COULD, THEY COULD USE THIS, CHOOSE NOT TO GO THROUGH OUR PROCESS [03:25:01] AND GO TO THE EDC AND THE EDC COULD USE IT AND LEVERAGE IT AND, AND DO ALL THAT. THAT'S TRUE. OKAY. I'LL SAY SOMETHING. NOT TO GET A BUNCH OF STUFF STIRRED UP, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY HOW WE GET CORNERED INTO DOING STUFF LATER ON IS THREE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, WE'RE LIKE, WELL YOU GUYS VOTED FOR THIS AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS HERE. WE DID THAT WITH FRITZ PARK. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE JUST AN UPDATE ON PRICING. NEXT THING YOU KNOW, WE'RE APPROVING IT. IT'S HAPPENED ON A, WE HAD LIKE A BUDGET THING AND IT WAS LIKE, WE ALWAYS, WE DO THIS STUFF WHERE IT'S LIKE, HEY, GO AHEAD AND DO IT. NOW WE UNDERSTAND WE HAVE ISSUES, BUT LATER ON WE WILL, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO USE IT. AND THEN JUST LIKE THE KIRK TRACK, WHAT DO WE GET TOLD A MONTH LATER? , WELL, YOU GUYS WENT AND VOTED FOR IT THERE AND NOW YOU HAVE TO DO THIS HERE BECAUSE YOU DID THAT PREVIOUS VOTE. AND I DON'T TAKE ANY CHANCES BECAUSE I'VE BEEN BURNED ENOUGH. UM, HERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU. SINCE WE'RE GOING FOR A, A FULL THING. P DAWSON, LIKE EVERY PRIVATE PERSON'S USING PP DAWSON, BUT WE NEVER USE 'EM IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR. WHY ARE THEY NOT RATING HIGH ENOUGH TO EVEN CRACK THE FOOT IN THE DOOR AND GO, HEY, I MEAN, SURELY ALL THESE DEVELOPERS AREN'T OVERPAYING FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THEM OR THEY JUST NOT AS QUALIFIED AS THESE PEOPLE? UM, SO I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK TO SEE, I KNOW IN SOME OF THE ROTATIONS, PAPER DIDN'T EVEN SUBMIT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY SUBMITTED FOR LIKE, I, I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT THEY SUBMITTED FOR EVERYTHING AND I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT THEY DIDN'T SUBMIT AT ALL. BUT, UM, JUST LIKE, JUST LIKE I WAS EXPLAINING TO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER KING FOR THE COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSALS, THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW WE TYPICALLY DO THE ROTATION. NOW THIS YEAR I DID DO ONE STEP FURTHER. SO BECAUSE WE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE, SO MANY DIFFERENT FIRMS SUBMIT, WE DID THE EVALUATION WHERE WE ALL TOOK THE RUBRIC. WE ALL READ THEIR RQS OR THEIR SO QS, SORRY, SAVINGS OF QUALIFICATIONS, WE SCORED THEM. AND THEN THE TOP FOUR OR FIVE FROM EVERY CATEGORY, UM, SORRY, THE THE TOP FOUR OR FIVE, HOW, HOW AM I SAYING THIS? WE SHORTLISTED THE SELECTION GROUP. SO IF THERE WERE, LET'S SAY THERE WERE 15 TRANSPORTATION FIRMS, AND I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS. WE TOOK SAY EIGHT OR NINE OF THEM AND THEN WE SELECTED THE TOP FIVE. WE ACTUALLY DID INTERVIEWS. WE BROUGHT THEM IN AND SAID, ALL RIGHT, DO YOUR SONG AND DANCE WHILE US, AND THEN WE EVALUATED THEM ON THEIR INTERVIEWS AS A FINAL CUT. SO WE, WE CUT 'EM DOWN TO A SMALLER GROUP AND THEN WE CUT 'EM DOWN AGAIN. THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE'VE DONE ACTUAL IN-PERSON INTERVIEWS WITH THEM. MY THINKING THERE WAS, IT'S JUST LIKE DOING AN INTER AN AN INTERVIEW, RIGHT? IF YOU LOOK AT SOMEBODY'S RESUME, THEY COULD BE GLOWING ON PAPER AND THEN YOU GET THEM IN THE DOOR AND YOU'RE LIKE, , I WILL, I WILL PAY YOU TO LEAVE RIGHT NOW. AND SO THAT WAS MY THOUGHT PROCESS BECAUSE I HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE FIRMS THAT WE'VE SELECTED BECAUSE THEY LOOK GOOD ON PAPER, BUT WE DIDN'T DO THE INTERVIEW PROCESS WITH THEM. SO NOW WE TOOK IT A STEP FURTHER AND SAID, NOW WE'RE GONNA DO THE INTERVIEW PROCESS AND IF THEY DON'T MAKE THE CUT, THEN THEY DON'T MAKE THE CUT. AND SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THIS LIST. AND THAT'S A VERY LONG RAMBLING WAY OF TELLING YOU, I CAN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION A HUNDRED PERCENT ON WHY PAY DOSS AND DIDN'T GET SELECTED. ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I CAN TELL YOU THAT A LOT OF STAFF IS LEERY OF IS BECAUSE PAP DUSTIN DOES SO MUCH PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT WORK HERE FOR US, LIKE ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, THAT THERE'S CONCERNS THAT CONFLICT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. WELL, I HEAR YOU AND I'LL SAY THIS, DON'T USE THEM IN MY DAY JOB. ALRIGHT? BUT WE GOTTA BE CAREFUL SAYING THAT. 'CAUSE THIS IS THE SAME BODY THAT HIRED A CITY ENGINEER THAT WORKED FOR GARVER AND THEN OUTSOURCED EVERY PROJECT WE HAD TO GARVER AND EVERY STUDY WE HAD TO GARVER AND I DID THE SAME THING. I'M NOT UP HERE LIKE, WHAT DO YOU GUYS NOT SEE THE CONFLICT HERE? AND EVERYBODY'S LIKE, DON'T SEE A CONFLICT HERE. ANYBODY SEE A CONFLICT? NOPE. AND SO THEY TOOK ALL THE JOBS FOR TWO YEARS AND THAT'S WHY I THINK SOME OF THIS I'M, I'M LIKE, YEAH, SO I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THEM. I JUST NOTICED THEY'RE NOT IN HERE. BUT LJA IS, THEY'RE ONES THAT ARE ON BOTH SIDES. THEY'RE AT PEARL ESTATES, BUT YOU KNOW HOW IT IS. MOST OF THESE FIRMS ARE BIG ENOUGH TO WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FIREWALLS. THEY'RE IN COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CITIES. BUT, UH, ANYWAY, ALRIGHT, SO CLARIFICATION ON GARVER. WHEN WE HIRED THAT INDIVIDUAL FROM GARVER TO BE OUR CITY ENGINEER, HE SPECIFICALLY TOLD US WHEN HE WAS STANDING RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE STANDING RIGHT NOW, THAT HE DID NOT PARTICIPATE IN ANYTHING THAT HAD TO DO WITH GARBER GETTING A, GETTING A PROJECT HERE. THAT BECAUSE OF THAT AND BECAUSE OF HIS INTEGRITY, [03:30:01] HE SPECIFICALLY RECUSED HIMSELF AND HAD OTHER STAFF MEMBERS DECIDE WHAT WHAT PROJECTS GARVER WAS GONNA GET. AND THEY DID NOT GET EVERY ONE OF THEM. HOW MANY DID THEY GET? I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, BUT IT WASN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT. I BET IT WAS THE VAST MAJORITY. YOU SAID ALL I'M I'M I'M DONE DEBATING . THE RECORD IS CLEAR. THE RECORD IS CLEAR. AND I EVEN SAW THEIR NAME ON HERE AND I'M LIKE, YOU CAN'T GET RID OF THE GARVER, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY GOOD. I LIKE 'EM. THEY DO A GOOD JOB. SO, SO AGAIN, UH, THE MAYOR BROUGHT UP FRITZ PARK, RIGHT? HE BROUGHT UP FRITZ PARK AND HE SAID WE WE'RE DOING THIS ALL OVER AGAIN. AND THERE'S, THERE'S AN ASSUMPTION HERE AND I THINK IT'S A WRONG ASSUMPTION AND I, I REALLY WANT TO GET TO THE, THE ROOT OF THIS. 'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S A MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. THIS IS A ROTATION LIST FOR QUALIFICATIONS ONLY. SO IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ROTATION LIST LAST YEAR, WHAT WOULD'VE CHANGED WITH THE, PER THE, THE FIRM THAT WE, THAT WE ULTIMATELY CHOSE TO DO FRITZ PARK, THIS WOULD NOT HAVE FIXED A THING. CORRECT? I MEAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THE, THE, THE ARCHITECT FIRM THAT DID THE DESIGN FOR FRITZ PARK WAS NOT A PART OF ANY ROTATION THAT, THAT I HAVE DONE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. THEY WERE SELECTED BY THE CITY BACK IN 2019, I BELIEVE, UM, TO DO THE MASTER PLAN. THEY WERE, I BELIEVE THEY WERE ACTUALLY SELECTED TO OVERSEE THE PARK BOND PROGRAM THAT WAS DONE IN AS PART OF THE BOND ELECTION BACK IN 2018. AND SO THEY WERE SELECTED IN 2019 TO OVERSEE THAT PROGRAM. THE ONLY PROJECT THAT THEY'VE WORKED ON TO MY KNOWLEDGE IS FRITZ PARK. THEY, SO I HAD NO PART IN SELECTING THAT ARCHITECTURAL FIRM, THE CONTRACTOR, UH, WE ACTUALLY DID AN RFQ FOR A CMAR CONTRACTOR. AND SO THEY WEREN'T PART OF A ROTATION LIST EITHER. SO TO YOUR POINT, NEITHER OF THE GROUPS THAT ARE DOING FRITZ PARK WERE PART OF ANY ROTATION LISTS. YEAH, THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS SAYING. IT FLEW OVER PEOPLE'S HEADS. WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE HAD A MEETING IN LIKE JUNE AND I REMEMBER ASKING THE CITY MANAGER, VICE FRITZ PARK UP HERE, ALL OF A SUDDEN, OH WE JUST HAD A COUNCIL MEMBER WANT AN UPDATE ON THE COST AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING. I SAID, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE APPROVING LIKE A BID HERE. NO, THAT'S ALL IT IS. NEXT THING YOU KNOW, MOTION SECOND BOOM, NEXT THING YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN CONSTRUCTION ON A SITE THAT WASN'T EVEN DESIGNED YET TO THE POINT TO WHERE THEN AM I IN FEBRUARY GOING, WHAT IS A RUSH? SO MY POINT IS NOT THAT WE THIS PROCESS THIS AND, AND GOT A CERTAIN ENGINEER OR A CERTAIN CONSTRUCTION. MY POINT IS, IS WHEN YOU MAKE ASSUMPTIONS TODAY LIKE, HEY, WE'RE JUST APPROVING THIS. IT'S NOT A, NOTHING'S LOCKING US IN. THEN WE FIND OUT THREE OR SIX MONTHS LATER, OH WELL YEAH, YOU KNOW, THAT VOTE YOU GUYS DID. AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO US ON THE KIRK TRACK. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO ME ON FRITZ WHEN I'M LIKE, HEY, ARE WE BIDDING THIS OUT? NOPE. JUST GETTING A COST ESTIMATE. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO CONVEY TO YOU COUNCILOR GORDON. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO. THE ROOT PROBLEM OF IS WE KEEP MAKING DECISIONS WITH THESE HYPOTHETICAL LATER AND THEN LATER ON WHEN WE GET BIT STAFF'S LIKE, WELL YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS VOTED THAT WAY AND SO WE'RE JUST DOING WHAT WE SAID AND I DON'T WANT A PROJECT COMING UP IN SIX MONTHS AND HEARING, WELL WE HAVE TO GO WITH THESE GUYS BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY SIGNED THE CONTRACT AND YOU GUYS SAID IT WAS OKAY, WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T WANNA DO THIS? AND THEN I'M SITTING HERE GOING, THAT DAMN ROTATION LIST IT GOT US AGAIN. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO INSINUATE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY ANYMORE BLUNTER. UM, I HAVEN'T LIKED THIS THING AND I, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTEMPT TO DO IT AND, AND THE LASTING ON SPEED. WE JUST APPROVED, WHAT WAS IT, A MONTH AGO? WE APPROVED A WHOLE BUNCH OF CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT HAD TO HAPPEN BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER WITH A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY. THEY'RE REPAVING DOWNTOWN. THEY'RE DOING CARL STERN. WASN'T THAT LIKE A MONTH AGO WE DID THAT? YEAH, I THINK SO. YEAH. SO SEE WE APPROVED THE MONEY LAST OCTOBER AND THEN IN JULY WE'RE APPROVING IT. SO WE GOT PLENTY OF TIME TO BID THIS STUFF OUT OR DO THINGS IN MAY. THAT'S NOT SPEEDY. SO THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, WE GET INTO, WE GET INTO SPEED AND THEN WE PICK UP STEAM IN MAY AND JUNE BECAUSE IT'S THE END OF THE YEAR. YOU GOTTA SPEND THE MONEY. SO, WELL IN THAT PARTICULAR EXAMPLE THAT'S, THAT'S ROAD MAINTENANCE. THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT DESIGN AND STUFF. AND WE DO, ROAD MAINTENANCE GETS DONE THIS TIME OF YEAR BECAUSE IT'S THE WARMER TIME OF THE SEASON AND THEY'RE, AND WE'RE SHARING THEIR CONTRACT WITH OTHER CITIES. SO WE'RE, BUT YOU GET MY POINT. THERE'S THINGS I DO, WE'RE RUSHING ON THINGS THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A GUN IN OUR HEAD. BUT ANYWAY, ALRIGHT. WE GOTTA GET THERE BEFORE MIDNIGHT. NO, I'M NOT DONE TALKING. OKAY. SO, UM, , SO I, AGAIN, THE, THE, THE EXAMPLES THAT THE MAYOR KEEPS BRINGING HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ROTATION LISTS. I GUESS MAYBE THAT'S WHY IT'S GOING OVER MY HEAD 'CAUSE I'M JUST, HE'S WE'RE TALKING ROTATION LIST AND THEN THERE'S EXAMPLES BEING SHARED THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ROTATION LIST. I DON'T SEE THIS AS SPEED. I SEE THIS AS EFFICIENCY AND USING THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE AT THE CITY WISELY BECAUSE [03:35:01] YOU HAVE, YOU ARE A LIMITED RESOURCE AS OUR, AS OUR LEAD ENGINEER AND YOU HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES. AND SO FOR US TO GO OUT AND TO DO THIS EVERY SINGLE TIME WOULD ADD BURDEN TO YOU AND IT WOULD MAKE IT TO WHERE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DO LESS WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING ELSEWHERE. THIS AGAIN, TO MAKE IT CLEAR AND WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU DIRECTLY AND THE CITY MANAGER, THIS DOES NOT LOCK US INTO ANYTHING. ALL THIS DOES IS MAKES IT MORE EFFICIENT FOR CITY STAFF WHO HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES, UH, ON ON LIMITED BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO USE YOUR RESOURCES THE WISE, AS WISE AS YOU CAN. I MEAN, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND. I IT, IT, AND MAYBE MAYOR AND I'LL JUST HAVE TO SIT DOWN FOR LUNCH OR SOMETHING AND MAYBE WE'RE TALKING PAST EACH OTHER BECAUSE I JUST DON'T GET IT. I DON'T GET WHAT THE, WHAT THE ANGST IS OVER THIS BECAUSE THIS ISN'T LOCKING US INTO ANYTHING. CAN I ASK YOU ONE QUESTION REAL QUICK? 1113, THIS IS WHY I GET HASTE MAKES WASTE. SO 1113 IS FOR APPRAISAL SERVICES. UM, DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHEN WE'RE DOING THAT, DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PEOPLE WE'RE HIRING WHEN IT IT COMES TO RIGHT OF WAY? UH, NO, I THINK THAT'S THE WHICH, WHICH ONE ON HERE IS FOR LIKE RIGHT OF WAY SERVICES. WE SPECIFICALLY DID NOT BRING FORWARD THE RIGHT OF WAY AGENTS THAT WE HAD ALREADY DONE INTERVIEWS WITH BECAUSE OF THE COUNCIL'S CHANGE. WHENEVER YOU GUYS WERE DOING BUDGET TO SAY HIRE WHAT'S LAND ACQUISITION? PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE'RE LIKE, THAT ONE IS ONLY GONNA BE USED IF WE DON'T HIRE A PERSON. SO THAT, BUT SEE WHERE, BUT SEE WHAT I MEAN, SEE THIS IS HASTE MAKES WASTE. WE'RE MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT WE JUST HIRED. WE'RE WE JUST BUDGETED A PERSON TO TAKE THIS AWAY AND NOW WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, WE'RE NOT EVEN READING THESE THINGS IN A MANNER, BUT WE'RE NOT HIRING THESE PEOPLE. ALL WE'RE DOING IS PUTTING THEM ON A LIST TO WHERE IF WE NEED THEM, THEY CAN BE THERE. BUT WE'RE, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE SIGNING A CONTRACT WITH THESE PEOPLE HERE SAYING, WE'RE YOU'RE G WE'RE GONNA HIRE, WE GUARANTEE WE'RE GONNA HIRE YOU TO DO THIS WORK. I MEAN, I JUST, OKAY, WE'RE HIRING A PERSON SO THAT LATER ON WE CAN THEN HAVE A ROTATION LIST TO DO THE JOB WE JUST HIRED THE PERSON FOR. IT DOESN'T, THAT'S NO, WE WOULDN'T USE THE ROTATION LIST IF WE HIRED THE PERSON. PROCEED. YOU'RE RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SORRY, I DON'T WANNA KEEP YOUR TONE. I MEAN ULTIMATELY IF THIS FAILS, IT'S GONNA BE MORE BURDEN ON STAFF. IT'S GONNA BE MORE TIME. AND I THINK THIS IS JUST LIKE, WELL, I JUST, I'M CONFUSED. I'LL I'LL SAY ONE THING, UH, TO, LET ME, LET ME CLARIFY. SO WHEN I GOT HERE IN 2023 ON DAY ONE I SAT DOWN WITH CITY MANAGER AND HE SAID, YOU HAVE THREE JOBS TO DO. YOU NEED TO GET THE CIP MOVING AND IT NEEDS TO BE MOVING FAST. YOU HAVE TO CLEAR THE BACKLOG OF PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FAST AND YOU NEED TO BUILD AN ENGINEERING TEAM. SO I SAID, OKAY, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I THINK I'D HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO MOVE FAST. SO WE PUT THE FIRST ROTATION LIST TOGETHER, WE BROUGHT IT TO YOU GUYS, UH, AND LATER IN 23, UM, ON OCTOBER OF 23, WE BROUGHT A BUNCH OF CONTRACTS TO YOU GUYS AND WE, WE MOVED FORWARD. AND SO I'VE BEEN OPERATING AT THE FASTEST SPEED THAT I PHYSICALLY CAN OPERATE AND I'VE BEEN PUSHING MY STAFF TO OPERATE AS FAST AS WE CAN PHYSICALLY OPERATE, BUT IF THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL IS NOW THAT WE DON'T NEED TO KEEP MOVING THIS FAST, THAT'S MUSIC TO MY EARS BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SLOW DOWN AND LET MY STAFF BREATHE. BUT UNTIL TONIGHT I WAS STILL OPERATING UNDER THE, UH, ASSUMPTION THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE GOING AS FAST AS WE CAN HUMANLY GO. AND, AND I'LL JUST, WE'RE ABOUT TO FIND OUT WHAT THE DIRECTION IS. YEAH, WE'RE ABOUT TO, BUT I JUST WANT TO, I JUST WANT TO NOTE, I JUST WANT TO NOTE MY MY OPINION, AND I KNOW IT WASN'T NECESSARILY ASKED, BUT THAT'S WHAT I SIT HERE FOR, UM, IS THAT THE ROTATION LIST IS STILL NECESSARY EVEN IF YOU WANT US TO SLOW DOWN. AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS, IS BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE ONE REVIEW OF QUALIFICATIONS, THEY DID IT ALL AT ONCE. SO IF WE THROW OUT THE ROTATION LIST, THEN WE GO AND WE DO IT EVERY SINGLE PROJECT NOW FORWARD. NOW THEY'RE GONNA BE SPENDING MULTIPLE ITERATIONS. IT TAKES THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME TO DO THE QUALIFICATIONS. THEY DID IT ONCE, NOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT EVERY SINGLE TIME THERE'S A NEW PROJECT. AND THAT'S MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO EVEN IF YOU DO WANT US TO SLOW DOWN, WHICH I'M HAPPY TO HAVE STAFF SLOW DOWN, I STILL THINK THE RIGHT THING TO DO. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD STILL BE THAT YOU DO ROTATION LISTS AND THEN ARGUABLY MAYOR, IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE EDC TO TAKE PROJECTS, I I THINK WE, WE LEVERAGE THAT WHENEVER IT MAKES SENSE. SO MATT, I'VE GOT A QUESTION REGARDING THAT. SO SINCE IT DOESN'T LOCK US INTO ANYTHING, WHEN IT DOES COME TIME TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMEBODY, DO YOU GO OUT FOR, UH, DO YOU DO A RFP? [03:40:01] HOW DOES THAT WORK? NO, SO THE WAY, THE WAY THE ROTATION LIST TYPICALLY WORKS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WILL GO AND WE WILL START ASSIGNING PROJECTS. SAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ROAD PROJECTS. OKAY? SO WE WILL GO ASIDE ROAD A TO ENGINEER A AND ROAD B TO ENGINEER B, AND THEN THEY WILL COME BACK WITH HERE'S OUR FEE, HERE'S OUR SCHEDULE, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AND THEN MY STAFF AND I WILL SIT DOWN, WE'LL LOOK AT IT AND YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ONE THAT I SAID THAT THEY WERE MORE THAN DOUBLE WHAT THE RANGE WAS THAT I THOUGHT WAS REASONABLE. I WAS LIKE, NO, YOU, YOU'RE WAY OUT OF RANGE, YOU NEED TO BRING IT DOWN TO HERE. AND THEY WERE LIKE, I CAN'T GET THERE. AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO ENGINEER C. AND SO THAT'S THE WAY IT WOULD IT NORMALLY WORKS. NOW IF IT GETS TO A POINT WHERE I'M LIKE, THIS IS A BIG PROJECT LIKE THE JUSTICE CENTER AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE ANY OF THESE GUYS ARE GOOD ENOUGH, THEN THAT'S WHEN I'LL GO BACK AND TALK TO THE CITY MANAGER AND SAY, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST DO A STRAIGHT UP RFQ FOR THIS AND GO GET A DIFFERENT GROUP OF ENGINEERS SUBMITTING BECAUSE I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING SPECIAL. RIGHT? THERE AREN'T A LOT OF TYPICAL ENGINEERING FIRMS THAT JUST DO JUSTICE CENTERS ALL THE TIME. THAT'S KIND OF A SPECIALTY THING. AND SO THAT KIND OF STUFF, AND I MEAN A LOT OF THAT IS JUST RESTS ON MY GUT HONESTLY. UH, FOR ME TO JUST SAY BA BASED ON MY PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST MOVE TO THE NEXT FIRM IN LINE AND I'LL DO MY BEST TO NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT AND THEN WE BRING THE CONTRACT TO YOU GUYS AND THEN YOU GUYS EITHER APPROVE IT OR DON'T APPROVE IT. AND THEN I GO, OKAY, I GOTTA GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD OR WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. AND THEN SO FROM THERE WE WOULD PICK THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER. CORRECT. ONCE IT GOES TO CONSTRUCTION, THEN, THEN DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT, I DON'T LIKE, AND I'VE NEVER LIKED DOING LOW BID PROJECTS. CORRECT. UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T SAY YOU GET WHAT YOU FOR SAY LOW BID, I SAID LOW IS RESPONSIBLE BETTER. YEAH, YEAH. AND SO BECAUSE YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. AND SO I DO, THAT'S WHY I PUSH FOR CSPS MM-HMM . COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSALS. SO THEY HAVE TO GIVE ME QUALIFICATIONS AND PRICE AND SCHEDULE AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT MAKES SENSE. AND THEN I CAN EVALUATE IT ALL AS ONE PACKAGE AND SAY, OKAY, THESE GUYS MAY NOT BE THE CHEAPEST, BUT THEIR PACKAGE LOOKS THE BEST AND THEIR EXPERIENCE LOOKS THE BEST AND ALL THESE THINGS. AND SO THESE ARE THE GUYS THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND. SO THEN THAT'S THE PERSON THAT WE BRING BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY, WE, WE SUGGEST YOU HIRE THIS CONTRACTOR. NOW FOR SOME PROJECTS, LIKE I'VE SAID, IF IT'S A LOWER PRICE PROJECT, WE DO LOW BID. AND UNFORTUNATELY SOMETIMES WE GET YOU GET WHAT YOU PAID FOR. YEAH. RIGHT. SO BASICALLY WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THE FINAL DECISION RESTS ON US. YES. YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS HAVE THE FINAL DECISIONS ON EVERYTHING. I COULD, I COULD GO STRAIGHT BY THE ORDER. I, I COULD NOT USE ANY BRAIN POWER IN THIS THING AND I COULD GO STRAIGHT BY WHATEVER ORDER WE LISTED THESE GUYS IN AND SAY PROJECT A GOES TO ENGINEER A, PROJECT B GOES TO ENGINEER B, AND THEN I BRING 'EM TO YOU GUYS. AND IF YOU GUYS JUST CARTE BLANCHE APPROVE EVERYTHING, THEN YOU'RE PUTTING A LOT OF FAITH IN ME, WHICH I APPRECIATE, BUT I DON'T RECOMMEND, UM, BECAUSE I'M , I'M JUST AS HUMAN AS ANYBODY AND I PROMISE YOU I WILL SCREW SOMETHING UP. AND SO IN THE PROCESS, THESE ARE JUST A ROTATION LIST. THEN THE NEXT AGENDA YOU'LL SEE A MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT, WHICH IS A FORM DOCUMENT THAT THEY ALL SIGNED WITH SIMILAR TERMS. AND THEN THE MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT ALLOWS A TASK ORDER UNDER THE MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT. AND THAT'S WHAT MATT WILL BRING BACK TO COUNCIL. SO IF THERE IS, UH, ONE OF THESE CONTRACTORS THAT COUNCIL HAS AN ISSUE WITH AND MATT BRINGS THE TASK ORDER UNDER THE MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT BACK TO COUNCIL, THAT YOU CAN NOT APPROVE THAT. OKAY. IF YOU KNOW THAT CONTRACTOR OR THAT ENGINEERING FIRM HAS NOT BEEN ON TIME, ON BUDGET OR HAS UNREASONABLE CHANGE ORDERS, YEAH. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE IS THAT I THINK THE ISSUE IS WHAT DID THE FOUR OTHER PEOPLE WHO WOULD'VE BID ON IT, WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE SAID? WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE BID? WELL THAT'S WHAT MATT'S SAYING IS THAT HE HAS MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH THE PEOPLE ON THE ROTATION LIST. WHEN HE HAS THE TASK, HE GOES TO THE NEXT PERSON ON THE LIST. IF THAT PERSON CAN'T DO IT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN HIS CONSTRAINTS AND HIS NEGOTIATING, THEN HE GOES TO THE NEXT ONE. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT HE JUST GIVES THEM A TASK ORDER UNDER THEIR MASTER CONTRACT. YEAH, NO, I THINK WE ULTIMATELY, WE ULTIMATELY APPROVE EVERYTHING. MM-HMM . WE JUST AS A COUNCIL APPROVE STUFF WITHOUT READING STUFF ALL THE TIME. AT LEAST THAT'S BEEN A HISTORY. I MEAN, WE JUST HAD AN ISSUE EARLIER TONIGHT WHERE WE WERE AT ADOPT A POLICY THAT WE HADN'T EVEN, WE JUST GOT, THEY LITERALLY DROPPED IT ON OUR DESK AND 10 MINUTES LATER WE WANTING TO APPROVE IT. WE JUST DON'T READ THINGS. AND SO WHEN YOU, THAT'S FINE WHEN YOU'RE DOING LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT YOU STARTED GETTING LIKE $280 MILLION SEWAGE [03:45:01] PLANT OR A, YOU KNOW, A $4 MILLION ENGINEERING, I'M LIKE NOT READING THESE THINGS, IT BLOWS MY MIND AWAY. AND TO ME IT'S LIKE A PROTECTION OF THE TAXPAYER TO WHERE IF PUBLIC BIDDING WORKS SO WELL, EVERYBODY WOULD BE DOING IT, BUT THERE'S A REASON THEY DON'T. AND, UM, I'M SURE THE REASON THE STATE LAWS OR THE WAY THEY ARE IS BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY HAVE UM, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, UH, THE PEOPLE WHO GO OUT AND SPEND MONEY TO TRY TO, UM, THEY'VE PROBABLY GOT A LOBBY GROUP. BUT ANYWAY, WE'LL SEE HOW THIS GOES AND WE'LL DEBATE IT NEXT WEEK AND EVERY PROJECT THAT COMES UP, I'M SURE, UM, THAT'S JUST WHAT WE DO NEXT WEEK. YOU'LL OUR NEXT MEETING YOU'LL HAVE A LOT MORE OF THESE BECAUSE IF, IF THIS GETS APPROVED, THEN NOW I HAVE TO BRING BACK A SINGLE MSA FOR EVERY ONE OF THESE FIRMS. YEAH. ALL THANK YOU. PLEASE CALL TO VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MAYOR PROTO THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SIX ONE. NEXT WE [11.25. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-228 accepting the public improvement district petition and calling for a public hearing on the creation of the Stromberg Public Improvement District. (Sara Cervantes)] HAVE ITEM 1125 CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2025 DASH 2 28 ACCEPTING THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT PETITION AND CALLING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON A CREATION OF THE STROMBERG PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT THAT'S NOT READY, RIGHT? YES, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, WE PROVIDED A MEMO, UH, FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE ISSUES WAS WITH UM, CALLING THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CREATE THIS P AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, UM, IF THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO WANT TO HAVE A PIT CREATED THAT HE CREATE THE PI OVER THE AREA THAT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S ALREADY GOT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVED AND FOR THE NEXT AREA WHERE HE'S UNCERTAIN WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR UM, INDUSTRIAL TO COME BACK TO, UH, COUNSEL WITH THAT REQUEST WHEN HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S GONNA DO. SO TO COME BACK AND LIKE REDRAW THE BOUNDARY, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? HE'S GOT, UM, THE LARGE PIT UHHUH, BUT HE'S ONLY GOT ZONING FOR RESIDENTIAL OVER THE ENTIRE PI. OKAY. AND HE WANTS TO, UM, HAVE FLEXIBILITY IS WHAT HIS REQUEST WAS IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE'VE BEEN REVIEWING. BUT WHEN WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE ZONING, THE ZONING ON THE ENTIRE PIT IS RESIDENTIAL. AND SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT HE COME BACK WITH THE RESOLUTION CALLED PUBLIC HEARING ON ONLY THE PORTION OF THE AREA THAT'S ALREADY, THAT'S ZONE RESIDENTIAL UNDER THE, UM, UNDER THE PUD ORDINANCE AND ALONG WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. SO WE WOULD ASK THAT, UM, COUNSEL, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO UH, DIRECT THE DEVELOPER TO COME BACK WITH THE REQUEST FOR THE PI ONLY ON THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE PUD THAT'S IN LINE WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND ANYBODY OUT THERE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. , I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A CORRECTION. CITY MANAGER JAMES, FOR THE RECORD. I HAVEN'T DONE THAT AT ALL TONIGHT. IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME. SO SORRY ABOUT THAT. AND WE ALSO ACTUALLY, THIS IS THE ONE THAT COUNCIL TOOK ACTION ON AND IN THE MOTION INDICATED THAT, THAT THEIR OPTION WAS LIMITED TO WHAT? CORRECT. SO IN I WANNA SAY MARCH OR SOMETIME THE MINUTES, UM, SHOW THAT THEY PUT TWO OPTIONS IN THEIR PUD BUT ONLY ONE WAS APPROVED AND IT HAS A PORTION OF RESIDENTIAL. THERE IS SOME COMMERCIAL AND THEN THE NORTH, THE MAJORITY OF THE NORTH SIDE OF THE TRACK WOULD BE LEFT FOR INDUSTRIAL. AND SO THAT'S HOW THE PUD IS APPROVED. UM, THEY DO NOT HAVE A PRELIMINARY PLA THEY HAVE ONE SUBMITTED BUT NOT APPROVED YET EITHER. AND IT DOES FOLLOW THAT. UM, THE OPTION TOO THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, THIS IS WHERE WE APPROVED IT ONE WAY, BUT THE DOCUMENT WE ENDED UP SIGNING WAS A DIFFERENT WAY. RIGHT. SO THE DOCUMENT STILL SHOWS BOTH OPTIONS. IT WAS APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT ONLY OPTION TWO WAS GOING TO BE ALLOWED WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IF THEY COULD NOT MARKET IT IN THAT WAY, THAT THEY COULD COME BACK AND ASK FOR A REDO. WE DID NOT GET A SECOND DOCUMENT FROM THEIR, THE DEVELOPER OR THE DEVELOPER'S REPRESENTATIVES. WE LEFT IT IN THERE WITH THE MINUTES ATTACHED TO THE FRONT OF THE PUD ORDINANCE THAT JUST SAYS THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO DO OPTION TWO. BUT IT WAS CLEAR IN THE MOTION AND ON THE VIDEO THAT IF THEY COULD NOT MARKET IT THE WAY THAT IT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, THEY NEEDED TO COME BACK AND HAVE THAT PUD UH, RENEGOTIATED AND POT POTENTIALLY HAVE OPTION NUMBER ONE AND THAT WOULD WORK. BUT, SO WE LEFT BOTH OPTIONS IN THERE WITH THE ABILITY THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE APPROVED FOR RIGHT NOW, YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IF YOU WANNA DO OPTION ONE IF YOU, IF YOU WANTED TO CHANGE IT. CORRECT. OKAY. AND YOU WANT US TO DIRECT THEM TO COME BACK WITH DOCUMENTS TO MAKE THE PIT DISTRICT [03:50:01] JUST BE ON THE SOUTHERN PART, THE RESIDENTIAL ONLY? THAT'S A DOTTY QUESTION. YES. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE RECOMMENDED IN OUR MEMO. AND YOU DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE? OH YEAH. THIS IS JACQUELINE, JACQUELINE HALE. SHE'S BARKED TODAY. SHE'S NOT BARKED . OH NOT NOT REPRESENTED FOR THEM. REPRESENT FOR US. YEAH, FOR US. YEAH. SHE'S, SO YOU CAN ASK IF THAT, THE REASONS WHY THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE OR WHATEVER. YEAH, NO, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE I I I'M REALLY CONFUSED ON THIS ONE BECAUSE IT, IT SEEMED LIKE IT GOT MESSED UP, BUT SOMEHOW WE'RE TRYING TO, AND THEY WANNA GO RESIDENTIAL THE WHOLE THING NOW, OR THEY STILL WANT THEIR OPTION FOR THE WHOLE DEAL. THEY, THEY DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT THEY WANNA DO. THEY JUST WANNA CREATE THE PI AND GET THAT GOING ON THE WHOLE AREA. BUT THEY, SO HERE'S WHAT I THINK. YEAH, BUT I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THEY'RE STILL PLAYING THE ANGLE OF EVERYTHING BEING RESIDENTIAL EVEN THOUGH COUNCIL DIRECTED THAT ONLY HALF COULD BE RESIDENTIAL AND THE OTHER HALF NEED TO BE THE OTHER THING. SO BY DOING A PIT PETITION WITH EVERYTHING BEING RESIDENTIAL, THEY STILL HAVE THAT, THAT THAT CARD LEFT TO PLAY? I THINK SO. WELL THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY SUBMITTED IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT. THEY WANNA RETAIN THAT FLEXIBILITY AND THERE'S NOT A WAY TO, THEY HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND IN ORDER TO ISSUE PIT BONDS, WE HAVE TO DO A SEPARATE PI FINANCING AGREEMENT AND THE DOCUMENTS THAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED TO US, THEY'RE TRYING TO, UM, HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO DO BOTH. BUT WHEN YOU CREATE A PI, YOU REALLY NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE, UM, GOING TO CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TELL THE PUBLIC THAT YOUR REASONS WHY YOU'RE CREATING THIS PIT. AND SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T CREATE A PIT ON THE WHOLE THING AND THEN, AND THEN, THEN COME BACK IN THREE MONTHS AND SAY WE'RE GONNA DO INDUSTRIAL ON THE NORTH SIDE. 'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THE PROCESS FOR IT TO BE A RESIDENTIAL PIT. RIGHT. AND JACQUELINE MIGHT BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN I HAVE AS FAR AS, UM, WHEN WE CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAVE TO PUT SPECIFIC NOTICES IN THE NEWSPAPER AND WE CAN'T NOTICE SOMETHING WHERE THEY SAY, WELL IT COULD BE THIS OR IT COULD BE THAT. WELL, THAT'S RIGHT. YOU'LL, YOU'LL HAVE TO INCLUDE, UM, THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, WHAT THAT WILL INCLUDE IN THE PIT. AND THEN THE PIT PETITION WILL ALSO INCLUDE, UM, THE BOUNDARIES. SO, UM, I BELIEVE THEY'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED A PIT PETITION. SO, UM, YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY'LL HAVE TO RESUBMIT DIFFERENT BOUNDARIES IF IT'S ONLY ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE BEFORE IT'S ACCEPTED BY THE CITY. CORRECT? WE WOULD, WE WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION TO DIRECT THE DEVELOPER TO COME BACK WITH CREATING THE PI ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION FOR THE RESIDENTIAL ONLY. ALRIGHT. SO MOVED. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION AND I'LL SECOND IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR PROAM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK, DO WE NEED TO DO, TRYING TO GET OUTTA HERE. I'M TRYING TO GET THIS STUFF DONE SOONER. IS THERE, SINCE WE'RE DONE WITH THE BUDGET, IS THERE A REASON WE CAN'T DO 12 1, 2 AND THREE AT THE NEXT MEETING SINCE WE WON'T BE DEBATING, DEBATING THE BUDGET? NO, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK YOU CAN WAIT UNTIL AS LONG AS IT'S DONE BEFORE OCTOBER 1ST. WOULD THAT BE RIGHT, DOTTIE? YEAH. 'CAUSE IT'S THE FEE SCHEDULE AND THE CIP YEAH, NO OBJECTION. I'D LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 12 1 2 AND THREE TO SEPTEMBER 18TH. IS IT OKAY TO PUT THAT ON CONSENT? YEAH, THERE'S GONNA BE NO CHANGES TO ANY OF THESE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. HEARING NO [13.1. Discussion and possible action related to the creation of an advisory committee to prepare for and make recommendations regarding the City of Hutto’s Sesquicentennial Celebration of its founding, pursuant to Resolution No. R-2024-149, dated July 18, 2024. (Peter Gordon)] OBJECTIONS, WE'LL GO TO ITEM 13. ONE DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO THE CREATION OF AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO PREPARE FOR AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE CITY OF JUDO QUIN CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION OF ITS FOUNDING PURSUANT TO RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2024 DASH 1 49, DATED JULY 18TH, 2024. SO THIS IS AN ITEM THAT I ASKED TO BE PUT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. UM, ROUGHLY A YEAR AGO, A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, WE FORMED, UH, OR WE CREATED BY RESOLUTION THIS COMMITTEE, BUT WE NEVER GOT AROUND TO APPOINTING PEOPLE ONTO THE COMMITTEE. UM, AND SO I'VE DONE A BUNCH OF, UH, GROUNDWORK ALONG WITH COORDINATING WITH THE CITY SECRETARY AND THE CHAIRPERSONS OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. UM, THE ORDINANCE OR THE RESOLUTION IS [03:55:01] IN THE PACKET. IT SAYS THAT THERE'S UP TO 20 MEMBERS OF THE, UH, OF THIS COMMITTEE. UH, 10 WOULD COME FROM, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION LIBRARY BOARD, PARKS BOARD, DEIB, AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. EACH SUPPLYING TWO INDIVIDUALS. AND THEN THE REMAINING 10 WOULD BE JUST AT LARGE, UM, INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE WITHIN THE CITY. SO EARLIER TODAY I POSTED THE FULL LIST OF NAMES THAT I'VE RECEIVED AS OF TODAY ON THE MESSAGE BOARD. SO I PROVIDED THOSE, UM, I CAN RUN THROUGH THOSE, UM, QUICKLY. SO HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, PUT FORTH JOHN STEVENSON AND CATHERINE SKEEN LIBRARY BOARD. UM, PRESENTED TANYA WARD AND KYLE PARKINSON AS THEIR REPS. UM, PARKS BOARD, UM, PROVIDED PERRY ARD AND SHARON DYER, DEIB PROVIDED ERIC BELL AND, UH, JAVIE LEWIS. UM, I NEVER DID GET NAMES FROM THE EDC, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY MET ON, THEY'RE GONNA BE MEETING ON MONDAY, SO THOSE ARE STILL TBD. UM, AND THEN TO DATE THROUGH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE, WE RECEIVED, UM, AN ADDITIONAL 12 NAMES. UM, AND SO WE ONLY HAVE 10. AND SO WHAT I DID WAS I PROVIDED THE ORDER IN WHICH PEOPLE ASKED IF WE JUST WANTED TO DO THE FIRST 10 WHO ASKED TO BE ON THERE, WE COULD DO THAT. UM, UH, WE COULD POSSIBLY MAKE A MOTION TO UPDATE THE RESOLUTION TO SAY WE CAN HAVE 12 PEOPLE AND JUST LET EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO PARTICIPATE PARTICIPATE. WE COULD DO THAT. UM, OR WE COULD JUST PICK, YOU KNOW, 10 OF THE 12 NAMES IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT. SO I JUST WASN'T SURE HOW THE COUNCIL WANTED TO PROCEED WITH THE, THE, THE 10 KIND OF AT LARGE, UM, MEMBERS PERSONALLY, I'D BE OKAY WITH JUST BUMPING IT UP BY TWO AND IF PEOPLE WANNA SERVE OR LET 'EM SERVE, AND I DON'T THINK SO. IT'S IN THE, YOU TOOK THIS IN THE, THE COUNCIL MESSAGE BOARD? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND IT WAS UNDER THE, THE FOLDER FOR TODAY'S DATE IS WHERE I POSTED IT. SO I I CAN RUN THROUGH THE NAMES, UM, IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO PULL IT UP. SO, UM, IN ORDER OF WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THEIR REQUEST TO BE CONSIDERED TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE, UM, SAMANTHA CULBERTSON, NATALIE WALTERS, MONIKA KEY, CHARLENE MARTINDALE, ELIZABETH BONURA, AMBER LEE LAR, MIKE FOWLER, MARIA SUAREZ, SIDNEY BOAZ, B-O-C-Z-I GUESS THAT'S HOW SHE SAYS HER NAME. AND THEN, UH, WE RECEIVED ONE, UM, A COUPLE, BOYD AND TANYA MEYER SAID THEY BOTH ARE INTERESTED AND THEN PAM DEALING, UH, SUBMITTED HERS TWO DAYS AGO OR THE 12TH. SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH UPPING THE, THE COUNT. UM, I GUESS THESE, THESE, UM, REQUESTS HAVE COME IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS, RIGHT? UH, THE FIRST ONE WAS SUBMITTED ON AUGUST 25TH. OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST ONE CAME IN TWO DAYS AGO ON THE SECOND. AND WHEN WOULD THEY BE THEIR, UH, APPROXIMATE MEETING TIME? WHEN WOULD THEY START MEETING? I THINK WE'D LEAVE IT UP TO THEM AS SOON AS WE APPOINT EVERYONE THAT THEY COULD ALL MEET, PICK A CHAIR OKAY. AND START MEETING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. ESPECIALLY IF, UH, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM POSTED A SUGGESTION THAT MAYBE WE TRY TO PICK A DATE, UM, AS A COUNCIL. AND HE WAS, HE WAS KIND OF TARGETING MAYBE MAY, MAY TIMEFRAME. SO THEY NEED TO GET GOING. OKAY. UH, YEAH, I LIKE THE, THE EXTRA TWO BECAUSE THERE COULD BE SOMEONE THAT DROPS OUT AND MAINTAINING AT LEAST 10. I I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. OKAY. WELL, TO GET THE DISCUSSION GOING, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, ALL THE NAMES THAT I JUST READ THROUGH, UM, TO BE, UH, APPOINTED TO THE HUNDRED 50TH CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION COMMITTEE. UM, AND THEN I GUESS WE COULD JUST DO ANOTHER ITEM ON THE 18TH FOR THE TWO EDC MEMBERS. AND I WAS LOOKING THAT. OKAY. QUESTION BY COUNCILOR GORDON. SECONDED BY COUNCILOR THOMPSON. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MAYOR WHO, WHO'S THE CHAIR? I HAVE NO IDEA. SO THEY WOULD PICK A CHAIR AMONGST THEMSELVES, WHICH IS, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S HOW WE DO IT. LIKE WITH THE, UH, ALRIGHT, LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION. CHARTER REVIEW. WHO'S GONNA COORDINATE THEM ALL GETTING TOGETHER TO MEET FOR THE FIRST TIME? PETER . THERE'S SO MANY, THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE. I'M HOPING THEY GET, I I'M HOPING THEY, I MEAN, IT'S TOUGH TO GET SEVEN PEOPLE ON A THING AND I THINK THEY'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO PICK A DAY AND WHOEVER CAN MAKE IT CAN MAKE IT. PROBABLY, YEAH. WELL, I MEAN, YEAH. UM, I'M HAPPY TO, TO VOLUNTEER ANNA, YOU KNOW, FROM STAFF TO, TO COORDINATE. SHE'S [04:00:01] NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO COORDINATE FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE. SO, UH, SO I'M HAPPY TO KIND OF HELP COORDINATE FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE AND I CAN WORK WITH HER, UM, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE AND WE CAN KIND OF CORRAL THESE CATS AND YEAH, I JUST WANTED Y'ALL TO THINK ABOUT THAT. SO WE DON'T HAVE 20 PEOPLE ALL WAITING TO PLAY CHICKEN ON WHO'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW. SURE. EVERYBODY WAITING FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO MAKE A DECISION ON SOMETHING. I'M HAPPY TO GET THE BALL ROLLING 'CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA LEAD IT. RIGHT. I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THERE TELLING 'EM WHAT TO DO. I WANT THEM TO PICK A CHAIR AND I WANT THEM TO, BUT I, I'D LIKE TO BE A RESOURCE AND IF THEY NEED HELP, FOR SURE I CAN DO THAT. YEAH. I THINK SCHEDULING WISE, JUST AVOID THE FIVE BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEETINGS THAT ARE PUTTING MEMBERS IN SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO MISS THEIR YEAH. THAT'LL BE A CHALLENGE. SO SATURDAY MORNING, PROBABLY SATURDAYS , WELL, I MEAN, THEY DON'T MEET, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT WEEKS OF THE MONTH. DIFFERENT DAYS. SO THERE'S DAYS FOR YOU. I THINK THERE'S ONE SATURDAY. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE MAYOR PER TIM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. AYE. QUESTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. I JUST, SO LEGAL QUESTION, DOTTIE, DO WE NEED TO MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION TO MODIFY THE RESOLUTION TO ADD THE TWO ADDITIONAL MEMBERS? YES. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO MODIFY, UM, ORDINANCE NEXT STAFF TO BRING BACK THE, YEAH, YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO BRING IT BACK. UH, DIRECT STAFF TO MODIFY SHOULD BE RESOLUTION 2 0 2 4 DASH 1 4 9. IS THAT THE, DID YOU FIND IT? I WAS LOOKING FOR IT. I MEAN IT WAS A RESOLUTION THAT CREATED IT, RIGHT? YEAH. 2 0 2 4 1 4 9 YEAH. TO ADD ADDITIONAL TWO MEMBERS AND BRING IT BACK FOR APPROVAL. I DO HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. [13.3. Consideration and Possible Action on Reallocation of Unused July 4th Fireworks Display. (Jeff White)] NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 13. THREE. CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON REALLOCATION OF UNUSED JULY 4TH FIREWORKS DISPLAY. JEFF, BEFORE YOU TALK, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO USE THE FIREWORKS FOR THE ENTEN AND SEE IF WE CAN JUST MOVE THAT ALONG. SECOND, SECOND. SECOND. SIX. WHO WAS IT? I GOT IT. PORTERFIELD. ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR STI. MAYOR SNI AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER COURT FAN. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. DO WE NEED TO LEGALLY GO BACK THERE FOR ALL THIS OR IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN SKIP REAL QUICK? YES. UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL ON 14 ONE A LAKESIDE MUD. THE ONLY THING THAT WE NEED TO KNOW WE'VE PROVIDED YOU WITH A DETAILED MEMO ON, UH, THOSE AGREEMENTS IS WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO APPROVE ADDING THAT ADDITIONAL LAND AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO CONFORM ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS TO UM, ACCOUNT FOR THAT QUESTIONS FOR THE MUD GUY. ALL RIGHT. WHAT ABOUT STROMBERG PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT AND WE, WE JUST HEARD FROM BASICALLY OUR LEGAL ATTORNEY THERE. YEAH, WE JUST, OUR BOND ATTORNEY, WE JUST DID THAT IN OPEN SESSION AND WE ALSO DID THE KIRK TRACK IN OPEN SESSION C. WE DID ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE KIRK TRACK? I PROBABLY NEED TO GO BACK TO FOR D THEN WILLIAMSON COUNTY. WE PROVIDED A MEMO ON THE STATUS OF THOSE NEGOTIATIONS. START READING THERE. PURSUANT TO TEXAS [14. EXECUTIVE SESSION] GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0 7 1. CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY TO DELIBERATE AND SEEK LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING THE FOLLOWING LEGAL MATTERS. D. THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT NUMBER THREE, INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS FOR THE ALLOCATION OF SALES TAX REVENUE WITH THE CITY OF HU 14. TWO. RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0 7 1. CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY AND DELIBERATIONS PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS 5 5 1 0 7 2. REAL PROPERTY RELATING TO A LEASE OF PROPERTY AT 1 0 1 PARK STREET, IDAHO, TEXAS. 14 THREE. RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.071. CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY AND DELIBERATIONS PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT [04:05:01] CODE SECTIONS 5 5 1 0.072 REAL PROPERTY RELATING AUTHORIZING THE ACQUISITION OF RIGHTS OF ENTRY INCLUDING BY PETITION FOR INJUNCTION IF NECESSARY TO CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY INTERESTS AS PART OF THE BRUSHY CREEK WASTEWATER INTERCEPTOR PHASE FOUR, PROJECT CIP WW 11 DASH 2025 A KEY PARCELS 18, 18.1, 18.2 AND 18.3 B WADEL FAMILY PARTNERSHIP LIMITED PARCELS 31, 31 0.1, 31.2 AND 31.3 AND 14 FOUR RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.071 CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY AND DELIBERATIONS PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS 5 5 1 0.072 REAL PROPERTY 5 5 1 0 8 7 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS RE RELATED TO PENDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS BEING CONSIDERED BY THE HU ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION OR THE CITY OF HUDU. INCLUDED BUT NOT LIMITED TO A PROJECT CORE B PROJECT HARVEST C PROJECT ORCHARD D PROJECT LAKE E SOUTHSIDE BARBECUE INCENTIVE AGREEMENT AND F PROJECT AMP TIMES 1106. ALL IT'S [15. ACTION RELATIVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION ] 1238. WE'RE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION, NO ACTION WAS TAKEN. NEXT UP WE HAVE ITEM 15, ONE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ABOVE MAYOR COUNCIL. THE ONLY ACTION THAT WE WOULD ASK ON 15.1 IS FOR 14.1 A THE LAKESIDE MUD, WHETHER OR NOT, UH, COUNCIL WOULD, UM, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL LAND TO THE UM, LAKESIDE MUD CONSENT AGREEMENT AND THEN WE WOULD CONFORM THE REST OF THE, UH, DOCUMENTS TO THAT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADD THE LAND TO THE MUD. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. WAS THAT IT ON THAT ONE? YES. ALRIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 15, TWO, CONSIDERATION WHEN POSSIBLE. ACTION AUTHORIZING THE ACQUISITION OF RIGHTS OF ENTRY, INCLUDING BY PETITION FOR INJUNCTION IF NECESSARY TO CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY INTERESTS AS PART OF THE BRUSHY CREEK WASTEWATER INTERCEPTOR. PHASE FOUR, PROJECT CIP WW ONE ONE DASH 2 0 25 A KEY PARCELS 18, 18.1, 18.2 AND 18.3 AND B, WANDA FAMILY PARTNERSHIP LIMITED PARCELS 31, 31 0.1, 31.2 AND 31.3. MAYOR COUNSEL, WE PROVIDED A MEMO WITH THE SUGGESTED MOTION. SO MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PRIOR ACTION ON RESOLUTION R DASH 2025 DASH 0 8 6 TO AFFIRM COUNSEL'S DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY TO THE CITY MANAGER TO ACQUIRE THE RIGHTS OF ENTRIES NEEDED FOR THE BRUSHY CREEK WASTEWATER INTERCEPTOR. PHASE FOUR, INCLUDING BY VOLUNTARY AGREEMENTS OR SEEKING INJUNCTIONS THROUGH THE COURTS, HAS SPECIFICALLY APPLIED TO PROJECT PARCELS 18, 18.1, 18.2, 18.3 31 31 0.1, 31.2, AND 31.2 THAT SAYS IT TWICE IT SHOULD BE 31.3. 3.3. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILOR GORDON, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR PORTERFIELD. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. NEXT OF ITEM 16, [16. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS ] ONE GENERAL COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL. I DON'T KNOW, USUALLY WE HAD AN AGENDA ITEM ABOUT TAKING A CHANGE IN MEETINGS, BUT I'LL JUST MAKE IT AS A COMMENT UNLESS THERE'S AN OBJECTION FROM ANYBODY. I TOLD THE C MANAGER, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO MEET NEXT THURSDAY FOR A BUDGET. YOU'VE ADOPTED BUDGET TONIGHT, SO THERE'S NO REASON TO HAVE A BUDGET. YEAH. SO WE'LL BE NOT HAVING THAT MEETING. KATE ALREADY CANCELED IT ON MY CALENDAR. , [04:10:01] WE DIDN'T WASTE ANY TIME ON THAT. HALLELUJAH. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER THINGS THERE? ALL 16. TWO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. ALL RIGHT. AND WE'LL ADJOURN AT 12:42 AM ON SEPTEMBER 5TH. THANK Y'ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.