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COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON NOT HERE. MORRIS IS HERE, NOT HERE.PORTERFIELD HERE. KING HERE. THORNTON, HERE. MAYOR.
OUT OF HERE. ITEM THREE ONE IS DISCUSSION ON THE CITY OF HUTTON'S CURRENT PLANNING PROCESS.
[3.1. Discussion on the City of Hutto's current platting process. (Ashley Bailey)]
SURE. SO I KNOW THAT YOU HAD REQUESTED THIS ONE.SO THIS IS MORE SO JUST TO GAIN FEEDBACK ON WHAT YOU WANT.
WHAT I CAN GO OVER HIGH LEVEL RIGHT NOW IS OUR CALENDAR IS A 28 DAY CYCLE.
SO IF YOU SUBMIT ON THE PLAT DATE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO IF YOU'RE IF IT'S A RESPONSIVE ENGINEER, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO HIT THE FOLLOWING P AND Z DATE FOR THE NEXT MONTH.
THAT'S CERTAINLY FOR SOME PLOTS ARE ABLE TO DO THAT.
IT'S WE GO THROUGH COMPLETENESS CHECKS JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING ON THE APPLICATION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PREDEVELOPMENT MEETING IS ACTUALLY SUBMITTED. AND THERE. SO WE'RE NOT REVIEWING INCOMPLETE APPLICATIONS. AND IF IT IS A HOUSE BILL 3067 OTHERWISE CALLED A SHOT CLOCK.
THOSE ARE TYPICALLY GOING TO DO EITHER. TYPICALLY THOSE ON THE FIRST ROUND, THEY SUBMIT.
AND THEN THEY HAVE A PARTICULAR RESUBMIT DATE.
BUT WE GET A LOT OF WAIVERS, VOLUNTARY WAIVERS, BECAUSE VOLUNTARY WAIVERS FOR OUR PLOT PROCESS ALLOWS IT TO GO JUST A LITTLE BIT FASTER THAN A SHOT CLOCK PLOT. SO WITH THAT, IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS FROM COUNCIL OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE, AS WE ARE DOING THE REST OF THE RED LINES OUT OF THE UDC AND GETTING THAT READY, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE HEARD OR HAVE QUESTIONS ON OUR PROCESS MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND TAKE FEEDBACK. SESSION FOR ME, I THINK I THINK WE FOLLOW THE SHOT CLOCK, AND I THINK ALMOST EVERY CITY FOLLOWS THE SHOT CLOCK.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE IS AS A METRO AREA.
WE HAVE CONVOLUTED THE PROCESS TO THE POINT TO WHERE IT MAY TAKE SOMEONE 6 TO 9 MONTHS OF DUE DILIGENCE WORK AND OVER, SOMETIMES SIX FIGURES IN MONEY SPENT JUST TO HAVE SOMETHING SUBMITTED TO THEN HAVE YOUR SHOT CLOCK.
AND FOR INSTANCE, LIKE IF THERE WAS A 20 ACRE PIECE OF LAND AND I WANTED TO BUY AN INVESTOR, SOMEONE WANTED TO BUY THREE ACRES OUT OF THAT TO MAYBE LATER ON DO A RETAIL CENTER.
AS I UNDERSTAND OUR PROCESS PENDING YOU OR THE CITY ENGINEER SAYING WE DON'T HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, A PERSON WOULD BE EXPECTED TO DO A TIA. THEY'D BE, WHICH COULD BE UP TO $50,000.
THEY THEY WOULD HAVE TO SURVEY THE PROPERTY. THERE'S NO WAY GETTING OUT OF THAT.
THEY'D HAVE TO DO A TREE SURVEY, WHICH IS AN ADDED COST ON TOP OF THE REGULAR SURVEY, THEY'D HAVE TO DO AN SCR REQUEST, WHICH IS NOT A BIG COST. I THINK IT'S LIKE $250, BUT IT'S STILL A PROCESS.
THEY HAVE TO DO. WHAT AM I MISSING? TREE SURVEY.
ESSER DRAINAGE ANALYSIS. SO, YES, FOR A COMPLETE APPLICATION, WE DO HAVE THINGS THAT ARE JUST THE GENERAL ITEMS. SO TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WOULD BE ONE. TREE SURVEY IS STANDARD.
WE USUALLY ONCE WE HAVE THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT WE'LL GO OVER THE WHOLE THING. SO IF THERE'S NO TREES ON SITE LIKE OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A TREE SURVEY. AND THE REASON WE HAVE TO REQUIRE THE PLOT IS BECAUSE STATE LAW IN CHAPTER 212 SAYS ANYTHING IN CITY LIMITS THAT'S UNDER FIVE ACRES, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SUBDIVIDE BY WEIGHTS AND BALANCES. SO WE'RE THEN BEHOLDEN BACK TO CHAPTER 212, AND THEN PART OF THAT PLANNING PROCESS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THINGS IN AN ORDERLY MANNER. WE'RE NOT ALLOWING FOR PLOTS THAT CAN'T BE SERVED BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO AGAINST STATE LAW. IS THAT WE HAVE TO THEN REQUIRE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
WE'RE NOT CREATING MORE ISSUES DOWN THE ROAD THAT THEN THE CITY HAS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SOLVE.
SO WE'RE NOT ALLOWING BACK TO BACK DRIVEWAYS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW SOMETHING TO COME IN THAT WOULD BE JUST BE INSANE.
USUALLY FOR SOMETHING SMALL IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE PEAK HOUR.
A LOT OF TIMES WE ARE SEEING ON THE SMALLER ONES THAT WE'RE GETTING THE DON'T WORRY ABOUT YOUR TIA RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND COME IN. BUT THE UDC RIGHT NOW SAYS THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE TRAFFIC BY THE TIME YOU'RE ZONING.
SO ONCE YOU'RE PLOTTING, YOU SHOULD HAVE ALREADY HAD YOUR TIA DONE. SO THERE'S SOME OF THOSE THAT REALLY, IT'S JUST IT'S STATE LAW THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T SELL BY MEETS AND BOUNDS UNDER FIVE ACRES. SO WE'RE JUST BEHOLDEN BACK TO WHATEVER THE STATE.
THEY ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT LINES ON THOSE PIECES OF PAPER.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE MARKET IN GENERAL IS CLOSING ON METES AND BOUNDS AGAINST STATE LAW.
AND AND THEY'RE DOING IT BECAUSE OUR PROCESS IS SO LONG.
I THINK THERE'S A BETTER PLACE TO PUT THEM IN OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS LIKE A TREE SURVEY.
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BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON ALL PROJECTS. ON SOME OF THEM, IF IT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY LARGE TREE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT PUTTING A LINE THROUGH IT. BUT MOST OF THE TIME THE TREE SURVEYS ARE COMING IN EITHER IN A PRELIMINARY PLAT.SO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, TYPICALLY IF IT DOESN'T HAVE EXTENSION OF SERVICES, IT WOULD BE WHAT WE CALL A MINOR PLAT. SO IT'S JUST A SINGLE CYCLE PLAT. REALLY WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING MORE ISSUES IN THE FUTURE, THAT WE HAVE BUILDABLE LOTS, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO NOT KNOW SOMETHING AND THEN CREATE MORE OF AN ISSUE THAT WE'RE LIKE, COOL, YOU HAVE THREE ACRES, BY THE WAY. DID YOU KNOW YOU HAD THAT FLOODPLAIN BACK THERE? AND DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAD THIS MASSIVE TREE? YOU CAN'T BUILD ON THAT. WHY IS SO NOT TRUE? BUT WHY IS IT THE CITY? IT FEELS TO ME LIKE WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY PROTECTING PEOPLE FROM ISSUES THAT ARE, I WOULD SAY IT'S THEIR OWN PROBLEM. AND SO I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO JUST GO, LOOK, WE'RE JUST MOVING PROPERTY LINES. IF YOU CAN'T, IF YOU CAN BUILD ON THIS, GREAT.
IF YOU CAN'T WITH OUR CODE, THAT'S ON YOU. TALK TO YOUR CONSULTANT.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE WE'RE TAKING ON THE CONSULTING WORK, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHY I DO THAT. JAMES SAID, I'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS FEELING THAT IT'S OUR JOB TO PROTECT PEOPLE FROM THEMSELVES. AND I'M LIKE, YEAH, BUT TO DO THAT, WE'RE ALSO WE'RE ALSO LIMITING OTHER PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
WE'RE RUNNING INTO THE RINGER ON THINGS WHEN IN REALITY, IF A GUY BUYS A THREE ACRE LOT AND TWO AND A HALF ACRES IS IN THE FLOODPLAIN AND UNBUILDABLE. I JUST DON'T I MEAN, EVERYBODY HERE MAY DISAGREE WITH ME, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S THE CITY'S PROBLEM.
I MEAN, SOMEONE ELSE PLATTED IT. WE TOOK THEIR MONEY.
THEY SAID THEY WANTED A LOT LINE THERE, AND WE SAID, OKAY, FINE, WE'LL TAKE YOUR MONEY.
WE'LL MOVE THE LOT LINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU BUILD ON IT.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A DRAIN. THERE'S A LOT OF FEMA FLOODPLAIN OR POTENTIAL FEMA FLOODPLAIN THAT WE DON'T HAVE MAPPED YET BECAUSE NOBODY HAS DONE THE STUDIES. SO WE HAVE HAD ENGINEERS SAY, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE FEMA FLOODPLAIN.
IT'S LIKE, RIGHT, YOU DON'T HAVE FEMA FLOODPLAIN BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T STUDIED IT. BUT WE KNOW THERE'S FLOODPLAIN. YOU STILL NEED TO STUDY IT BEFORE YOU APPLY, BECAUSE IT IS ALSO AGAINST THE RULES THAT WE WOULD PLOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE UNBUILDABLE. BUT WHO BUT WHO DETERMINES WHAT'S UNBUILDABLE AND WHAT LAW IS THAT THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T PLAT UNLESS I THINK THAT'S I KNOW IT'S IN CHAPTER 212 WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE SERVICES.
CHAPTER 212. THERE'S ALSO SOME CITIES USE WHAT THEY CALL A CONVEYANCE PLAT JUST TO CONVEY A SMALL PORTION OF A LARGER SALE, HAVE A DEFINED PROCEDURE FOR THAT. WE DON'T MOST EVERYBODY HERE JUST BECAUSE WE'RE THE 13TH FASTEST, EVERYBODY HERE IS DEVELOPING. SO IF WE WERE TO SAY YOU PLOT FOR US, WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH AN ESSER BECAUSE OF ZONING AND OTHER THINGS, SO THEY'RE ALREADY WELL INTO THEIR WAY TO DEVELOP.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S ABLE TO PLAT PLOT WITHOUT ZONING.
SO THE CONVEYANCE PLAN IS JUST FOR TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP.
SO WE WE COULD CREATE. YEAH. I MEAN THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE IS, IS THERE'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEY JUST WANT TO CONVEY SOMETHING UNDER FIVE ACRES.
YEAH. BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS A PERSON THE CITY PROCESS MAY TAKE, LET'S SAY, 6 TO 9 MONTHS.
AND SO THEY'RE JUST DOING IT ILLEGALLY. AND SO IN MY MIND, IF IT'S COMMON KNOWLEDGE, EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE THEY'RE CLOSED ON A METES AND BOUNDS AND NOT ON LEGAL LOTS. IT'S LIKE, WELL THEN WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? THE MARKET IS DEMANDING SOMETHING FASTER. THE STATE'S PUSHING US TO GO FASTER.
I JUST THINK WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PROTECT THE CITY'S INTEREST, NOT THE DEVELOPER'S INTEREST.
PROTECT THE CITY'S INTEREST AND GET IT DONE FASTER TO WHERE WE FOLLOW THE LAWS.
THEY HAVE ACCESS. THEY MEAN THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO THEN BRING UP WITH THE STATE, BECAUSE THEY'RE CONSTANTLY MESSING WITH CHAPTER 212 THAT THEY MAY NEED TO CHANGE THEIR RULES BECAUSE WE'RE FOLLOWING THE PLOT PROCESS, BECAUSE THE STATE TELLS US WE HAVE TO.
FOR US, IT'S FIVE ACRES. FOR COUNTY, IT'S TEN.
LET ME LET ME REWORD THIS. WE'RE ADDING STUFF IN THERE THAT THE STATE'S NOT REQUIRING.
I KNOW FOR A FACT IT'S NOT REQUIRING, BECAUSE IN OTHER MARKETS, IN OTHER CITIES IN TEXAS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO HALF THE STUFF WE MAKE THEM DO.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WHY CAN'T WE HAVE A PROCESS THAT FOLLOWS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND THEN IS THERE A WAY TO MOVE THOSE PIECES IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE DEVELOPMENTAL CYCLE? IT'S NOT A MATTER TO ME. IT'S I'M GOING TO STATE THE STATE HAS SAID GET IT DONE FASTER AND ALL THE CITIES HAVE DONE IS COMPLICATED IT AND PUT A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS INTO THE PLAT PROCESS, WHICH I THINK IS IS NOT THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO DO IT.
AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT DFW DOES IT A DIFFERENT WAY AND WE'RE MORE COMPLICATED HERE.
AND SO IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT WHAT ARE THEY DOING.
BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SOME SMALL TOWNS ON THE WEST SIDE.
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WE DO IT ALL THE TIME. MORE SO IT'S JUST ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.SO I THINK WITHOUT DOING ALL THAT STUFF, THERE ARE WE HAVE JUST HAD A REPORT THAT WAS DONE LAST MONTH THAT WE WAIVED THE MAJORITY OF THE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE WE'RE LIKE LITERALLY ADDING A LOT LINE ON AN EXISTING AREA. NO, YOU DON'T NEED THAT.
NO, YOU DON'T LIKE GIVE US A DRAINAGE STATEMENT.
AND THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT THEIR ENGINEER FILLED OUT SAYING, WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING. ESSENTIALLY WITH A LITTLE BIT OF MATH INVOLVED TREE SURVEY WASN'T INCLUDED. WE WAIVED THE MAJORITY OF ANY OF THOSE BECAUSE IN THAT IN THAT INSTANCE, THAT WAS WHAT MADE THE MOST SENSE.
BUT MOST AGAIN, BY THE TIME WE'RE GETTING INTO PLOTTING, WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT OUR DA'S, WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT OUR ZONING, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE ANNEXATION. SO A LOT OF THE THINGS WE'RE ASKING FOR ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN OR GOTTEN APPROVED, AND THEY'RE JUST GIVING IT TO US AGAIN. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE MAKE PEOPLE DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PRIOR TO THE PLAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PRIOR TO ANNEXATION, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY CAN GET SOME OF THEIR COUNTY ETJ LACK OF ZONING INTO AN AGREEMENT BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S A VARIANCE.
I'M NOT TALKING ANNEXATION, I'M JUST TALKING PLANNING PROPERTY IN THE CITY LIMITS.
I CAN'T THINK OF AN INSTANCE IN WHICH WE'VE DONE A DA RIGHT BEFORE PLATTING. YOU DO A DA PRIOR TO ANNEXATION SO THEY CAN RETAIN SOME OF THEIR COUNTY PENSIONS. SO WHY WOULD WE NEED A TIA BEFORE WE PLANT? TYPICALLY BEFORE YOU PLANT BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE SAYS YOU NEED A TIA BEFORE YOU ZONE, YOU DON'T PLANT WITHOUT ZONING AND YOU DON'T ANNEX WITHOUT APPLYING ZONING.
SO THEN IT ALL GOES BACK TO THE ORIGINAL IF WE SAY WE DON'T, IF WE SAY WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE SOMEONE DO A $50,000 TIA BEFORE THEY PLANT A PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND THE ORDINANCE IS THE ISSUE, THEN TO ME, WE CHANGE THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE I, I JUST BE HONEST. I THINK OUR ORDINANCES ARE SET UP TO MAKE A VERY SLOW, CUMBERSOME PROCESS THAT WE'VE DONE PATCHWORKS, BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE GOT TO PROTECT, BECAUSE THIS ISSUE HAPPENED, DO AN ORDINANCE.
AND THEN WE HAD THIS ISSUE HAPPEN, AMEND THE ORDINANCE FOR THAT. AND WHAT WE HAVE IS WE HAVE THIS ATTORNEY WHO SPENT OVER $100,000 TO PLAT PROPERTY BEFORE YOU CAN HAVE A LEGAL LOT. IT'S JUST CRAZY THAT YOU RUN SOMEONE THROUGH THAT.
ALL YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS A IS TO LEAVE THE LOT. YOU'RE NOT ASKING TO GET OUT OF ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES. YOU'RE JUST SAYING I DON'T. I DON'T WANT TO SPEND 100,000 UPFRONT. I JUST NEED TO CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY SO I CAN.
BUT I THINK ON THAT, THEN WE WOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT THAT CONVEYANCE OPTION.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY SOLVE THE MAJORITY OF IT. I WAS LOOKING AT A CHECKLIST AND THIS IS IN NORTH TEXAS, BUT THEY'RE STILL REQUIRING US TO IDENTIFY THE UTILITY SERVICE, THE DRAINAGE FLOODPLAIN.
SO THEY STILL DO HAVE SOME REQUIREMENTS EVEN IN A CONVEYANCE CLASS.
SO THEY DO. AND I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T HAVE ANY.
I'M JUST SAYING WHAT DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE PER LAW, STATE LAW.
AND THEN WHAT ARE WE REQUIRING BECAUSE OF OUR OWN ORDINANCES? AND HOW MANY OF THEM DO WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE AT THE FRONT? BECAUSE IT'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL, QUITE HONESTLY.
AND IT IT PUTS YOU GUYS, IF I HAVE TO HAVE A MEETING WITH YOU TO FIND OUT IF I HAVE TO DO A TIA THAT JUST TOOK AN HOUR OUT OF YOUR DAY THAT YOU ALREADY DON'T HAVE ON SOMETHING THAT REALLY I SAY, NO, WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A MEETING.
SO THE PROCESS FOR TIA'S IS WHEN THEY COME IN WITH WHATEVER TYPE OF LAND USE.
SORRY, I'M GETTING DISTRACTED WITH ALL THE. YEAH I KNOW.
YEAH, SORRY. WHENEVER THEY COME IN, WHATEVER KIND OF LAND USE PER THE ITE MANUAL, THEY GIVE US THE TRIP GENERATION, THE TRIP DETERMINATION WORKSHEET. IT'S VERY SIMPLE FOR THEM TO FILL OUT.
WE THEN GO IN AND CONFIRM THEIR CALCULATIONS TO MAKE SURE THEY DID THE MATH RIGHT.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, SOME ENGINEERS APPARENTLY CAN'T DO MATH CORRECTLY OR NOT.
OR THE INFORMATION IS TOUGH. LIKE OUR LOO WORKSHEET WAS A LITTLE TOUGH UNTIL WE HAD SOME.
I'M BUYING THREE ACRES. MAYBE I MIGHT DO A HOTEL.
MAYBE I'M GONNA DO A C STORE. MAYBE I'M GOING TO DO A STRIP CENTER.
SO HOW WOULD I DETERMINE WHAT MY TRIP GENERATION IS IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO DO? YOU CAN'T. AND THAT'S MY PROBLEM. BECAUSE YOU'RE A PERSON OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO BUY THREE ACRES.
WHY? WHY ARE WE MAKING PEOPLE RUN THIS THIS EXERCISE THROUGH OUT A BIT ABOUT THREE ACRES.
AND IT SHOULDN'T BE ANYBODY IN THIS BUILDING'S PREROGATIVE.
WHAT I'M GOING TO DO WITH THE LAND UNTIL I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY DECIDE WHAT I'M GOING TO DO WITH THE LAND, AND THEN I SHOULD RUN THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, OKAY, NOW, HOW DO I THINK I'M GOING TO BUILD A HOTEL? BECAUSE TODAY I BUILT A HOTEL. I GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, THE HOTEL MARKET GOES TO CRAP.
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I DON'T WANT TO WORRY ABOUT TREES RIGHT NOW. IF THE CITY WANTS TO WORRY ABOUT CUTTING DOWN TREES, WHERE'S THAT PROCESS FALL IN? THAT IS PROBABLY SMART TO DO IT WHEN YOU'RE DOING THE SURVEY, BECAUSE THE GUY'S ALREADY OUT THERE. BUT THE FLOOD STUDY? I WANT TO TAKE THE FLOOD MAP. IF THE CITY HASN'T ADOPTED THE LATEST FLOOD THINGS, WHY IS THAT ON ME? TO DO THE CITY'S JOB. WE GOT THOSE FROM WHATEVER IT IS.ATLAS 14. TO ME, YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO USE WHAT FEMA HAS CURRENTLY, AND YOU HAVE YOUR SURVEY GUY OR WHOEVER'S DOING IT, PUT THAT STUFF ON THE PAPER AND YOU RUN THROUGH IT. IF WE WANT IT UPDATED, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE MAKE ALL THESE PEOPLE DO ALL THIS WORK IN REALITY.
SO LET ME LET ME JUMP IN AGAIN HERE REAL QUICK ON THE DRAINAGE THING.
AS BOTH YOUR CITY ENGINEER AND YOUR FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR, I WOULD 100% DISAGREE THAT WE ONLY CARE ABOUT WHAT THE FEMA MAP SAYS, BECAUSE WE KNOW THE FEMA MAP HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE DECEMBER OF 2019.
ATLAS 14 DIDN'T EVEN COME INTO EFFECT UNTIL MIDDLE OF 2019.
SO THE FEMA MAPS DON'T REFLECT ATLAS 14. I'VE HAD TO HAVE MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH MANY ENGINEERS WHO JUST GO, I'M NOT IN FEMA. I'M GOOD WHEN I KNOW IF YOU RUN THE MODELS FROM ATLAS 14, WHICH WE ALREADY SEE, THE COUNTY HAS RAN THEM AND THE COUNTY IS ABOUT TO START THE FEMA UPDATE PROCESS THAT YOU'RE NOW GOING TO BE PUTTING PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE OF FLOODPLAIN, AND THEN THAT'S GOING TO FALL ON THE CITY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO RESOLVE THAT PROBLEM FOR THEM. OKAY. SO YOU CAN HAVE THEM AND SO THEY CAN USE ATLAS 14.
INFORMATION IS ALREADY THERE. THAT'S THAT'S AND THAT'S THE ORDINANCE THAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT TO HAVE YOU GUYS CHANGE OUR PROCESSES SO THAT I ACTUALLY I'VE BEEN PUSHING THEM TO DO IT SOMEWHAT IN A GRAY AREA BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE THAT SAID I COULD DO IT.
AND SO I'VE JUST BEEN HANGING MY HAT ON THE FACT THAT THE ATLAS 14 IS LATEST AND GREATEST DATA AND THAT'S OUTDATED IS WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY, RIGHT? ATLAS 14 IS NOT OUTDATED. THE FEMA MAPS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY ADOPTED, WHICH ARE THE ONLY FEMA MAPS AVAILABLE FOR HUTTO, ARE OUTDATED. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO TONIGHT POTENTIALLY THAT SOLVES PART OF THAT PROBLEM.
IT DOES. AND THEN I THINK THE CONVEYANCE OPTION WOULD SOLVE THE REST BECAUSE IT TRULY IS JUST IF IT'S JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO OUT TO THE ETJ AND BUY SOMETHING OR, YOU KNOW, IN CITY LIMITS, AND THEY JUST WANT TO BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND SUBDIVIDE UP, THEN THEY COULD DO A CONVEYANCE PLOT IF THERE'S EVER THAT SITUATION HERE.
AND THEN OKAY, WHAT ABOUT COMBINING TWO LOTS? IF I HAVE TWO LOTS AND THEY HAVE ACCESS TO UTILITIES.
NOW I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO JUST COME IN, DROP IT OFF ON A MONDAY AND BE RECORDED BY FRIDAY.
WHAT WOULD STOP THAT FROM BEING THAT QUICK WHERE LITERALLY I TAKE THE SURVEY GUY OR THE SIBYL.
WHOEVER TAKES THE TWO PARCELS TAKES THE LINE AWAY, TURNS IT IN AND SAYS, PLEASE RECORD.
HOW DO WE GET THAT TO HAPPEN? AND LIKE, DO IT STAFF LEVEL? YOU GUYS JUST SAY THERE WAS A LINE THERE. NOW THE LINE'S GONE FOR THE MOST PART.
I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE TO DO REVIEW. SO IT WOULDN'T BE WITHIN A MONDAY BY A FRIDAY.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFFING FOR THAT. BUT WITH THE NEW UDC, THAT WAS ONE THING THAT WAS PROPOSED BECAUSE STATE LAW FINALLY GIVES IT THE ABILITY, SOME PLOTS, THE ABILITY TO BE STAFF PROPOSED AND THAT WAS OR STAFF ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
YEAH. AND SO WHEN THAT WENT THROUGH ON STATE LAW, THAT'S ONE THING THAT WAS IN THAT DRAFT UDC.
BUT WHEN THAT DID NOT GET ADOPTED, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY. WE DIDN'T CHANGE THAT.
IMAGINE I DIDN'T CHANGE THAT PART. I DON'T THINK SO.
THAT THAT'LL HELP SOLVE THAT. I'M JUST THINKING THAT THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT DO STUFF.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE BAD. I THINK WE'RE KIND OF MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, IF I'M BEING HONEST.
BUT THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT ARE SO BAD THAT FIRST THING PEOPLE ASK ME WHENEVER THEY TALK TO ME ABOUT COMING TO THE CITY IS, HOW QUICKLY CAN WE PLAT? I'M LIKE, WELL, WE'VE GOT 6 OR 9 MONTHS OF WORK, AND ONCE YOU GET INTO THAT, IT'S PRETTY QUICK, BUT YOU GOTTA GO THROUGH ALL THAT STUFF.
WE JUST NEED TO BUY 50 ACRES OF WHATEVER A 200 ACRE DEAL OR AND THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A PLAT.
BUT I THINK THAT WE DO STUFF A LOT FASTER THAN 6 TO 9 MONTHS, BECAUSE ACADEMY PROVES THAT IT'S THAT.
IT'S THAT THE CITY. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THE CITY IS NOT TAKING 6 TO 9 MONTHS.
IT'S 6 TO 9 MONTHS OF DUE DILIGENCE WORK TO GET THE POINT TO WHERE YOU CAN SUBMIT IT.
BECAUSE I GOTTA GO DO A TIA. THAT'S GOING TO BE WHAT THEY WERE DOING THAT ON THE FLY.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF MONTHS. I GOTTA DO A SURVEY RIGHT NOW IF YOU WANT TO ORDER A SURVEY, THEY'RE ABOUT A MONTH OUT. AND SO YOU CAN RUN A LOT OF STUFF CONCURRENTLY.
BUT YOU'RE LITERALLY I MEAN, YOU'RE ON THE FAST, RIGHT? YOU'RE SIX MONTHS BEFORE YOUR CONSULTANTS CAN GET EVERYTHING NEEDED AND DONE IN ORDER TO THEN PRESENT YOU.
AND THEN ONCE YOU GUYS GET IT, YEAH, IT'S DONE IN 30 DAYS.
JUST CAN I EVEN PLOT THE PROPERTY? BUT. SO YOU'RE IN NORTH TEXAS.
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BUT WE CORRECTED THAT THE CONVEYANCE PLAT. I'VE SEEN THAT IN NORTH TEXAS.YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT IS THERE'S SO MUCH GOING, BUILDING GOING ON HERE THAT HAS TAKEN A LONG TIME BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT EVERYBODY HAS. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY OUR PROCESS FOR THEM TRYING TO GET READY FOR IT.
IT'S THEM GETTING THEIR CONSULTANTS IN LINE TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO GET THE INFORMATION, BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL OUR CHECKLISTS ON THE WEBSITE.
AND SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
BUT DO WE DO THEY REALLY HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING ON THAT CHECKLIST? I MEAN, IF WE'RE PROTECTING THE CITY, WHAT'S ALSO IN NORTH TEXAS, LIKE IF YOU JUST WANTED TO DO A CONVEYANCE PLANT AND YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOUR USE WAS, THEY'D LOOK AT THE ZONING TABLE AND THEY PICK THE HIGHEST USE, LIKE, WHAT IS THE HIGHEST, MOST IMPACTFUL? YEAH. THAT THEY CAN PUT ON THAT PROPERTY.
AND THEN THEY LOOK AT THE TIA ANALYSIS AND DO IT THAT WAY.
I MEAN, IF IF YOU DON'T KNOW THEY CAN'T THE CITY JUST DOESN'T WANT TO APPROVE SOMETHING.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY COME IN AND BUILD SOMETHING WITH A THOUSAND TRIPS A DAY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF TROUBLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEN WHY WOULD THEY BE THE LOWEST TO THE COUNCIL? WHY DON'T WE DO? BECAUSE IF IT'S APPROVED FOR THE MOST INTENSE USE THAN ANYTHING LOWER THAN THAT WORKS.
YEAH, BUT IF IT'S ONLY APPROVED FOR THE LOWEST USE, THEN THE MORE INTENSE USES WOULDN'T.
YEAH. SO YOU CAN APPROVE IT TO THE HIGHEST USE.
BUT THEN I DON'T UNDERSTAND. WHY WOULDN'T YOU JUST SAY IT'S, IT'S, IT'S WHAT'S A ZONING BEFORE.
BECAUSE THEY'LL COME IN AND THEY'LL, THEY MIGHT SAY OH WELL WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO SOME, YOU KNOW, MINOR USE HERE, NOT CAUSE ANYTHING. BUT THEN THE ZONING ALLOWS THEM TO DO SOMETHING THAT CREATES TRAFFIC PROBLEMS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BASICALLY YOU GET THE CO-OP AND YOU GET CARMEL CREEK, WHERE IT'S NOTHING LIKE WHAT THEY PRESENTED IN THE FIRST. YOU GOTTA DO A TIA, AND THE TIA IS GOING TO MAKE THEM. WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS IF YOU APPROVE IT FOR THE HIGHEST USE, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT'S COMING.
YEAH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE HIGHEST USE. THEN YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE PEOPLE PAY FOR THE HIGHEST USE. WELL, IF YOU DON'T WANT THE HIGHEST USE, THEN TELL THEM WHAT YOU WANT. YEAH. THEN FIGURE IT OUT. DON'T DO IT UNTIL YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T GET IT APPROVED.
FOR SOMETHING THAT LETS YOU VARY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. RIGHT. YOU GOT TO GET IT APPROVED FOR THE HIGHEST USE YOU'RE GOING TO POSSIBLY HAVE. IF YOU DON'T. OTHERWISE, WHAT'S OUR LOWEST ZONING IS. WHAT IS IT RURAL OR.
SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING ANYBODY PLAT THAT HASN'T ALREADY ZONED OR HAS ALREADY ZONED PROPERTY.
SO IF SOMEONE IS DOING A CONVEYANCE PLOT OR A PLOT OF ANY KIND, SOMETHING THAT ZONED SF ONE, WE'RE LIKE, SO YOU'RE DOING HOUSES? YEAH. SO YOU ALREADY KNOW BECAUSE YOU'RE IN A CITY AND SO YOU ALREADY HAVE THE ZONING APPLIED ONCE YOU GET TO THE PLAT.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS, SINCE THEY'RE ALREADY ZONED, THAT MEANS THEY'RE ALREADY ANNEXED, WHICH MEANS YOU'VE ALREADY AGREED TO SERVE THEM. AND SO IF THEY COME IN AT THE HIGHEST USE AND YOU'VE ACCOUNTED FOR THAT AND SAY YOUR WATER, YOUR WASTEWATER SYSTEM, AND THEN THEY DON'T GO THAT HIGH AND THEY GO LOWER, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SERVE THEM. BUT IF THEY COME IN AT, SAY, LIKE AN AG AND YOU'VE AGREED TO SERVE THEM AND THEN THEY COME BACK LATER AND SAY, OH NO, WE WANT A. HOTEL OR WE WANT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR WHATEVER.
THEN YOU DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN EVEN SERVE THEM ANYMORE, BECAUSE THAT'S A WAY HIGHER DEMAND ON YOUR WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM, RIGHT? SO YOU BRING THEM IN AS HIGH AS WHEN DO YOU CHARGE THEM THE IMPACT FEES? WHEN THEY PULL THE METER. AND THE IMPACT FEES ARE ASSESSED AT FINAL PLAT, AND THEN THEY'RE PAID A BUILDING PERMIT.
WE DON'T MAKE ANYBODY REAPPLY. SO HOW DO THEY.
SO YOU ASSESS IT THE HIGHEST. HOW DO YOU REASSESS IT? AND NOW THEY'RE LOWER. SO LIKE DADDY SAID, YOU ASSESS BASED ON YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR LOO OR YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR COST IS GOING TO BE BASED ON.
FOR OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, IT'S BASED ON THE PLAT APPROVAL DATE, NOT PLAT RECORDATION.
SO YOU'RE SAYING OKAY, SO IF IT WAS DONE ON OCTOBER 1ST, WE KNOW WHAT IMPACT FEE SCHEDULE WE'RE ON.
AND THEN ONCE WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR ENTIRE USES AND THEIR THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT, THEY DON'T PAY THOSE FEES BASED ON THEIR LOWE'S OR METER SIZE OR HOWEVER WE'VE CALCULATED IT AT THAT POINT. YOU DON'T PAY THAT UNTIL BUILDING PERMIT.
SO IF THEY SAY, I'M GOING TO BUILD A HOTEL AND THEN THEY NEVER GET TO FRUITION, AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE MUCH LOWER COMES IN, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PAY THE HOTEL IMPACT FEES AT PLATTING.
THEY'RE NOT PAYING THOSE IMPACT FEES UNTIL THEY PULL THEIR BUILDING PERMIT. SO IF IT'S A LOWER USE, WE'RE NOT OVERCHARGING BEING ASSESSED AT THE AS WHAT'S BEING CALCULATED AT THE TIME OF THE.
SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT COMES IN AND YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, THE PLOT DATES 2006, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO A MUCH OLDER FEE SCHEDULE FOR THE IMPACT FEES BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON THE TIME OF THE PLOT.
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AND THEY DON'T PAY UNTIL THEY PULL THE PERMIT.AND WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE PROJECTS COME IN WHERE THEY CHANGED THEIR MIND AND DECIDED THAT INSTEAD OF A 5000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL BUILDING, THEY WANTED A 2000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL BUILDING.
AND THIS IS WHEN WE WERE ON LOUISE. AND SO AT BUILDING PERMIT, WE JUST RECALCULATE THOSE IMPACT FEES BASED ON THE ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT'S IN THE BUILDING PERMIT. SO WE RECALCULATE WHAT WAS ASSESSED AND WE ONLY CHARGE WHAT'S ACTUALLY DUE.
YEAH. BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE ARE ASKING US, HEY, WHAT WOULD MY FEES LOOK LIKE? WELL, WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO DO? GIVE US AN IDEA OF WE'LL THROW YOU YOUR POSSIBLE FEES. AND THEN ONCE IT ALL COMES OUT IN THE WASH, LIKE MIGHTY FINE CAME THROUGH AND THEY GOT AN LOUIS BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY COULD PROVE.
HEY, I DON'T USE THAT MANY, LOUISE. I'M LIKE, OKAY, COOL, SHOW US THE MAP.
YOU CAN GO THROUGH THIS OTHER PROCESS TO GET SOMETHING ELSE. JACK ALLEN'S DID IT. THERE'S SEVERAL OF THEM. MIGHTY FINE TAKE LIKE AN EXTRAORDINARILY LONG AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET THAT FIGURED OUT. BECAUSE I SEEM LIKE AN EXTREMELY LONG TIME TO GET ANYTHING FIGURED OUT OVER THERE, BECAUSE THEY HAD SOME GAS EASEMENTS THAT THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD PLANT OVER, AND THEY HAD TO HAVE A VARIANCE. AND THEY HAD THEY KIND OF MESSED UP THEIR OWN.
RIGHT. BUT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT PART. I MEAN, THE PART THAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT, THAT THAT ONE WAS WITH THE PLAT OR THE LOWE'S, I REMEMBER SOMETHING ABOUT THEY MISCALCULATED AND THEN THEY SAID, WE DON'T DO WE DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT.
AND THEY DIDN'T LIKE WHAT THE LEAK COUNT CAME BACK AS.
AND WE'RE LIKE, WELL, TELL US WHAT YOU WANT. AND THEY DIDN'T TELL US, I THINK WHAT THEY WANTED FOR SIX MONTHS. AND WE'RE LIKE, NO, YOU JUST HAVE TO SEND THE EMAIL AND THEN WE CAN RECALCULATE YOUR FEES, BUT WE CAN'T RECALCULATE BECAUSE WE HAD A PHONE CALL.
YOU HAVE TO SHOW US THE MATH, RIGHT? MCALLISTER'S HAD AN ISSUE LIKE THAT, TOO, RIGHT? YEAH. THERE'S. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S GOTTA BE A FASTER WAY.
AND THEN ALL WE TALK ABOUT IN DEVELOPMENT CIRCLES IS HOW CUMBERSOME IT IS.
AND THEN I PLOT ANOTHER STATE AND IT'S IT'S IT'S EASIEST THING IN THE WORLD.
IF WORKING IN DIFFERENT STATES, YOU DEFINITELY SEE A DIFFERENCE. PLOTTING. PLOTTING WAS MORE OF AN AFTERTHOUGHT IN OTHER STATES THAT I'VE WORKED IN HERE. IT'S DEFINITELY THAT IS YOUR THAT IS YOUR GOAL. I MEAN, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT LINE.
LIKE IN OUR OWN STATE, IT'S DIFFERENT. IF YOU GO DOWN THERE, IT'S DIFFERENT.
BUT IF WE'RE OPERATING IN THE SAME STATE LAW, WHY COULD SOMEONE IN THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY DO IT FASTER, MUCH FASTER THAN US, IF WE ALL GOT THE SAME STATE LAWS? BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT BE AS SOPHISTICATED AS IDAHO HAS TO BE BECAUSE OF WHERE WE ARE IN OUR GROWTH.
THERE'S A LOT OF I MEAN, IT USED TO BE EASIER TO PLOT HERE BECAUSE WE WERE STILL AT 2000 PEOPLE.
WE WERE STILL SMALL, SO PEOPLE WERE JUST TURNING STUFF IN AND GETTING IT APPROVED.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE SO MANY DRIVEWAYS OUT ON. THE DRIVEWAY.
BECAUSE IT USED TO BE THOUGHT OF THAT EVERY SINGLE PLOT HAD TO HAVE ITS OWN DRIVEWAY AND ITS OWN ACCESS. AND SO PEOPLE WERE JUST PLOTTING AND DIVVYING UP EVERYTHING. AND YOU HAD A DRIVEWAY FOR EVERY SINGLE LOT. AND THEN WE'VE SINCE FIGURED OUT, HEY, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT THAT WAY.
YOU'RE NOT MAKING UNSAFE SITUATIONS. FOR THE CAR WASH.
CHICK FIL A MIGHTY FINE FOR HAVING TWO DRIVEWAYS LINED UP ACROSS LOWES AND HOME DEPOT.
AND PEOPLE WANT TO PLAY CHICKEN. AND YOU'RE LIKE, YEAH, WE LOVE WHEN A DRIVEWAY LINES UP.
BUT WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE PUT, I GUESS. HOW DO YOU GET OUT OF HAVING TO HAVE THAT ALL FIGURED OUT BEFORE YOU GET TO THE PLOT? THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S MORE OF A DEVELOPMENT. IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE DOING OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AS WE'RE MAKING THE PLANT BE PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THOSE ARE ISSUES AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT'S GOT TO BE RESOLVED. JUST LIKE, I DON'T KNOW. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN IT, BUT I'M TELLING YOU, IF YOU GO TO THE PRIVATE SIDE AND GO THROUGH IT, IT'S MIND NUMBING. THE STUFF THAT YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH, IT'S THE PROCESS, IS NOT IN THE RIGHT ORDER FOR HOW THE PRIVATE WORLD DOES THINGS.
AND WE'RE NOT EFFICIENT AS A CITY. WE JUST WE'RE JUST NOT.
THAT'S WHY I MEAN, JAMES AND I TALK ALL THE TIME.
PRIVATE PEOPLE CAN BUILD A ROAD FASTER. THEY CAN BUILD IT CHEAPER.
AND THE ROADS AREN'T OUT THERE FAILING. I MEAN, THEY THEY BOND THEM, AND THEY THEY DO FINE.
WHEN THE CITY GETS INVOLVED AND WANTS TO BUILD A ROAD, IT TAKES LONGER AND COSTS MORE MONEY.
AND IT'S A PROCESS OF THE CITY THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I JUST KNOW THERE'S A FASTER WAY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE EASIEST WAY IS TO GO FIND.
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HERE'S HOW WE ARE SOLVING FOR THAT. IT'S A DIFFERENT IT'S IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE PROCESS BECAUSE I THINK ALL THIS STUFF IS NEEDED.IT'S JUST NOT NEEDED BY PLANT. IT'S NEEDED. SO SO IF YOU HAVE EXAMPLES THAT THAT YOU THINK ARE DOING IT WELL, THEN THEN SHARE THAT OVER AND I'LL HAVE THE STAFF GO AND DO THE RESEARCH AND BASICALLY KIND OF CREATE IT, MAYBE A TABLE OR A CHART OR SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE, OKAY, HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE PLANT THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY 100% REQUIRED BY STATE LAW. HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE MORE LIKE LOCAL OPTION, IF YOU WILL.
RIGHT. AND THEN HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING VERSUS HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I, THAT I'VE BEEN HEARING, YOU KNOW, DURING THE CONVERSATION, NOT SPECIFICALLY TODAY, JUST KIND OF OVER TIME, IS THAT A LOT OF THE RULES THAT THAT ARE PUT IN PLACE OR TO PUT IN ARE PUT IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT LAND DOESN'T GET SUBDIVIDED, THAT CAN'T BE USED. SO AND THAT REASON IS, IS BECAUSE ONCE IT'S SUBDIVIDED.
WHATEVER. SO I'M LIKE, OKAY, HERE'S THREE ACRES SOLD.
AND THEN HE GETS IN THERE, HE'S LIKE I NEED TO BUILD WHATEVER THE HOTEL ON THIS NOW.
WELL, IT'S ZONED FOR THAT. AND THEN ASHLEY'S LIKE, WELL, I'M SORRY YOU CAN'T DO A HOTEL ON THERE UNLESS YOU GET AN ACCESS EASEMENT FROM THE PROPERTY NEXT TO YOU, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THERE'S A DRIVEWAY RIGHT NEXT TO YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE. AND HE'S LIKE, WELL, I'M GOING TO GO BACK AND TRY TO GET THE ACCESS EASEMENT BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET I DIDN'T DO MY TIA.
I DIDN'T GET A DRIVEWAY PERMIT BEFORE THE LAND GOT SUBDIVIDED.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A HOTEL NOW AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO GET OFF YOUR PROPERTY.
SO THANKS FOR THE MONEY. AND THEN HE'S GOING TO SAY, WELL, THAT SUCKS.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO COURT. WAIT, WHY WOULD WE GO TO COURT? BECAUSE HE DIDN'T DO HIS JOB. WELL, BUT THAT'S THE THING, IS THAT YOU WOULD SAY THAT HE DIDN'T DO HIS JOB.
THERE'S NO GOING BACK ON. WELL, IT DOESN'T WORK.
I BUILT A I BUILT AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING WITH THE CEILING FIVE FEET TOO LOW FOR EVERY OTHER, FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD THAT USES IT. SO CAN I COME BACK ON YOU GUYS FOR ALLOWING ME TO BUILD THE WAREHOUSE WITH TWO LOW CEILINGS WHEN THE MARKET DICTATES, WHATEVER 20 FOOT CEILING I BUILT IT. 15 OR WOULD THE CITY GO? YOU DESIGNED IT? I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S A MARKET ISSUE.
THE EXAMPLE I WAS USING IS LIKE A PHYSICAL CONSTRAINT ISSUE, TOO, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BUILD A HOTEL.
NO, YOU CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY UNLESS YOU CONNECT TO THE PROPERTY NEXT TO YOU. I MEAN, AND MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT I'M LIKE, SO THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS TO PROTECT THE LANDOWNER AGAINST A LANDOWNER.
AND I'M LIKE, THAT'S I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S OUR JOB. AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT OUR DISCUSSION NEEDS TO BE IS WHAT ROLE DOES GOVERNMENT HAVE. WELL AND I THINK I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT THAT'S WHERE I THINK THERE WILL THAT'S WHERE THE FUNDAMENTAL DISAGREEMENT IS GOING TO BE, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT THE STATE HAS EFFECTIVELY SAID UP TO NOW IS IT ACTUALLY IS THE CITY AND THE COUNTY'S JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LAND CAN BE USED AND AS USEFUL BEFORE IT'S ALLOWED TO BE SUBDIVIDED.
AND IF THAT IS, IF THAT'S CHANGING AT THE AT THE STATE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT AND, YOU KNOW, WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S CHANGING, THEN MAYBE SO.
BUT AS A RESIDENTIAL US, THE NEWEST THING IS OVER 100,000 PEOPLE, 150,000.
YEAH. AND THAT THEY HAVE ADEQUATE SERVICES. AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU GET BACK INTO THE PLANNING OF DO YOU HAVE ALL THESE THINGS? THAT'S WHY. SO YOU DON'T HAVE COLONIAS POP UP WHERE THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, WE PLOTTED ALL THESE GREAT LOTS. GUESS WHAT? YOU HAVE ZERO SERVICES. BEST OF LUCK TO YOU. AND I JUST WENT TO A THING ON SENATE BILL 840.
AND THEY THEY WOULD DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID THAT THE CITY LITERALLY CANNOT.
NOW THE MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT A CITY CAN REQUIRE SOMEONE NOT TO NOT TO HAVE MORE THAN.
AND I'M STILL HEARING WE'RE STILL IN THAT CAP.
SO IT REMOVED THE ABILITY FOR CITIES TO SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE SERVICES.
848 ACCORDING TO THESE PEOPLE. 848 NOT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE SERVICES LITERALLY.
YOU CAN'T EVEN DICTATE THAT YOU HAVE TO UPSIZE THE LINE.
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AND I SAID, WELL, THIS IS GOING TO BE A MAJOR PROBLEM BECAUSE IF YOU TAKE A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH QUARTER ACRE LOTS AND YOU GOT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY BECOME A MULTI MULTIFAMILY DEAL AND PEOPLE ARE COMBINING FOUR LOTS TOGETHER AND THROWING A 64 UNIT DEAL ON THERE.AND YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN'T YOU CAN'T STOP THE ZONING OF IT.
YOU CAN'T MAKE PEOPLE OVERSIZE. I'M LIKE, THEN HOW ARE YOU EXPECTING CITIES TO SUPPLY SERVICE WITH ALL THIS? AND I THINK HERE'S WHAT I THINK HONESTLY IS HAPPENING. THE STATE WANTS CITIES TO BEND MORE QUICKER.
AND CITIES KEEP SAYING WE CAN'T BECAUSE WE GOT ALL THESE RULES AND THIS IS HOW WE'RE STUCK.
AND SO THE STATE'S GOING, THIS IS YOU AND I TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S ABOUT PERSONALITY. RIGHT OKAY. IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BEND CHOP IT AND TAKE IT ALL AWAY.
NOW GO FIGURE IT OUT. AND I THINK THE FASTER SOME OF OUR CITIES SAY, OKAY, WE GET THE MESSAGE, WE CAN MOVE IT FASTER BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THIS OTHER THING TO HAPPEN. THEN I THINK WE CAN BE A CASE STUDY FOR HERE'S WHY YOU DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, ROUND ROCK ALL OF A SUDDEN TO HAVE PEOPLE BUILDING 64 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEXES LITERALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
OR LIKE A LONG EDGE. SCHMIDT. AND ACCORDING TO THESE PEOPLE, YOU CAN'T DICTATE ZONING ANYMORE. THEY EVEN HAVE A PROGRAM NOW, EVERYTHING THAT'S 840 COMPLIANT, WHICH IS LIKE ALONG ALL, ALL MAJOR ROADS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH GOING YOU GUYS CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO AND YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE IS, IS THERE'S A WATER LINE THERE, AND IT'S UP TO THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH WATER PRESSURE COMING OUT OF THAT WATER LINE TO YOUR 64 UNITS. AND THAT SCARES ME.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M THINKING WE OUGHT TO BE SITTING THERE GOING LIKE, HEY, WE GOT THE MESSAGE.
WE'RE GOING TO CUT ALL THE CRAP OUT, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE STUFF AROUND.
WE HEARD YOU. YEAH. YEAH, I WAS JUST DOING IT ONE WAY.
AUSTIN'S TAKING IT ANOTHER WAY. DALLAS IS GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY SUE HIM, IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.
840 ONLY APPLIES TO CITIES WITH A POPULATION OF 150,000 OR MORE.
I AGREE. AND WHAT HAPPENS IN TWO YEARS? YEAH.
75,000 AND THEN TWO YEARS. EVERYBODY. SO. BUT IT'S ON MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE OF THE HOUSING SHORTAGE IS WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. THEY ALLEGE HOUSING SHORTAGE. RIGHT. SO AND THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT.
RIGHT NOW WE SAY WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE WE'RE UNDER THAT CAP.
AND THEN IN TWO YEARS, REMEMBER WHEN YOU COULD YOU COULD FORCIBLY ANNEXED TO ANYBODY.
AND THEN THEY SAID, OKAY, NOW YOU DON'T. NOW YOU CAN'T IF YOU'RE A.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S SAYING THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT. WE WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT OR WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT. WHAT WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT IS, IS THAT I THINK UP TO THIS POINT, THE STATE HAS SAID CITIES, COUNTIES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ADJUDICATING ALL THIS.
LIKE YOU'RE THE FINAL ARBITER OF ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS. DON'T LET PROPERTY GET SUBDIVIDED AND SOLD OFF THAT THAT CAN'T DEVELOP.
DON'T DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR FOR ANY THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE SCHOOLS.
SO I THINK THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS, I AGREE WAS AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW NOW, YEAH.
SO I, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BACK TO IF YOU'VE, BECAUSE YOU'VE ARE SO EXPERIENCED DOING THIS, YOU KNOW ACROSS THE STATE GIVE US THE, GIVE US THE CITIES THAT YOU'VE WORKED IN THAT YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, THIS THIS WORKED PRETTY GOOD. AND THEN WE CAN GET STAFF TO DO THE RESEARCH AND THEN WE CAN JUST LIKE I SAID, IN MY MIND, MAYBE I, I THINK ABOUT THINGS IN TABLE FORMAT TOO MUCH.
DIAGRAMS LIKE ANNIVERSARY TIMELINES. BUT WHAT I'M ENVISIONING IS LIKE, OKAY, COLUMN ONE, THINGS ABOUT THE PLOT THAT ARE ACTUALLY REQUIRED BY STATE LAW AS OF TODAY. AND MAKE THAT LIST. AND MAYBE IT'S THREE THINGS, YOU KNOW.
AND THEN MAYBE THAT'S TEN THINGS. AND THEN WE DECIDE WHAT OUR PHILOSOPHY IS.
IF STAFF'S PHILOSOPHY IS WE NEED TO PROTECT PEOPLE, AND COUNSEL'S PHILOSOPHY IS THAT'S NOT OUR JOB.
I THINK WE DON'T HAVE TWO. RIGHT. SAY, BUT LOOK, THIS IS OUR NORMAL PROCESS.
WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT EVERYTHING. THIS IS ALL IN THERE. IF YOU WANT TO ACCELERATE, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN SKIP RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU'RE TAKING ON THE RISK IF THESE THINGS DON'T WORK OUT.
FUNNY YOU SAY THAT. I DON'T HAVE MY GLASSES. SOMEBODY GAVE ME.
I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, BASICALLY, IT'S LIKE A WAIVER THAT YOU HAVE TO SIGN TO SAY, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND I MIGHT NOT GET A DRIVEWAY.
THAT'S THAT'S ON ME. I GOTTA MAKE I DON'T THINK I BROUGHT IT.
THEY GOT EXACT THING THEY WERE SAYING THAT YOU YOU DO A DEAL AND IT'S LIKE A IT'S LIKE A PARAGRAPH AND IT'S LIKE SIX ITEMS. AND THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE SEEING OTHER CITIES DO. AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY HANDLE THE PLANNING. WHERE I GET INVOLVED IN PLANNING IS WHEN
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PEOPLE SAY, I NEED MORE TIME, I NEED MORE TIME, I NEED MORE TIME. AND I'M LIKE, IT'S BEEN 15 MONTHS.HOW IN THE HELL DO WE NOT? I JUST NEED SO WE CLOSE.
WE CLOSE ILLEGALLY. AND BECAUSE YOU'RE CLOSING IN CASH, NOBODY CARES.
BUT THERE IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE THEY'RE LIKE YOU PUT ALL THIS IN, IT'S BASICALLY THE CITY OF THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RELIEVING THE CITY OF ALL THESE THINGS.
AND I'M LIKE, LOOK, IF YOU'RE AN EXPERIENCED DEVELOPER THEN WHY SHOULD YOU GO THROUGH THE WRINGER.
AND BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO SEE US TO WHERE HONESTLY I'D LIKE TO SEE US NOT DO TIA'S MAN ON SOME THINGS.
YOU NEED TO PUT A DECEL LANE. YOU NEED TO ADJUST THE SIGNAL.
SO SOME SMART PEOPLE SAID, HEY, THAT'S LIKE $50,000 JUST FOR YOU TO TELL ME WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW.
HOW ABOUT WE JUST VOLUNTARILY ADD IN A RIGHT TURN LANE? A DECEL LANE. AND WE FIX A SIGNAL, AND WE JUST GET TO WORK ON IT RIGHT AWAY, AND THEY'RE LIKE, YOU WOULD DO THAT? YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE US DO IT ANYWAY.
SO WHY RUN THROUGH ALL THIS DEAL? AND SO A COUPLE BIGGER CITIES HAVE SAID, IF YOU AGREE TO DO THESE THINGS BASED ON LIKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE NEED TO ME, YOUR GUYS LOOK AT IT AND GO DO THESE FOUR THINGS.
YOU CAN AGREE TO DO THEM NOW, OR ARE YOU GOING TO DO A TIA AND OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS? I THINK A LOT OF DEVELOPERS WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND REDESIGN THAT INTERSECTION FOR YOU.
THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO DO ALL THAT UPFRONT WHILE THEY'RE IN THEIR INSPECTION PERIOD TO THEN, YOU KNOW, ARGUE WITH YOU. THAT'S WHY THERE'S ALL THIS PRESSURE IS PRESSURES BECAUSE THEY GOT THE LANDOWNER LIKE THE KRUEGERS OR SOMETHING, SAYING YOU'VE GOT SIX MONTHS.
YEAH. I MEAN ON THE, ON THE FACE OF IT, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T HAVE A LIKE A NEGATIVE REACTION TO THAT CONCEPT BECAUSE HOUSING DEVELOPERS ARE SAYING, LOOK, IF YOU PLAN US QUICKER AND YOU ASSESS THE, THE, THE, THE, THE IMPACT FEES, TODAY, WE'RE WILLING TO PAY THE IMPACT FEES AT RECORDATION AND ALLOW THEM TO EXPIRE IN 3 TO 4 YEARS AND HAVE A CREDIT ON OUR ACCOUNT FOR WHATEVER THE NEW RATE IS. AND TO ME, SINCE WE'RE DEALING WITH PLATS AND AND IMPACT FEE ASSESSED 20 YEARS AGO, LET'S SAY TO ME THIS WOULD BE AWESOME TO HAVE.
LET'S COLLECT YOUR MONEY AND LET'S GO PUT THAT MONEY TO WORK.
MEANWHILE, WE GOT YOUR WASTEWATER LINE IN. WE'RE ALL SET UP.
I MEAN, THEY'RE WILLING TO DO. I MEAN, THAT'S LITERALLY THEY'RE WILLING TO I MEAN, THINK ABOUT IT. THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO HAVE THE PROCESS DONE FASTER. THAT'S HOW MUCH IT MEANS TO THEM. AND I THINK IN US WE'RE LIKE, HEY, AT BUILDING, YOU COLLECT THE MONEY, BUT WHY DON'T WE COLLECT THE MONEY AT RECREATION? WE HAVE FOR A FEW SUBDIVISION SECTIONS THAT THEY ASK FOR, AND WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY. AND THEY CAN DO IT.
YEAH. TRADITIONALLY THE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT HAS BEEN I'M JUST A, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST A OLD FARMER HERE AND I DON'T HAVE ALL THIS MONEY. AND I WANT TO SUBDIVIDE MY LAND IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SELL IT OFF.
AND I DON'T I CAN'T PREPAY ALL THESE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF IMPACT FEES.
BUT SO I'M GOING TO PLOT IT AND THEN I'M GOING TO SELL IT, AND THEN THE LENNAR GUYS OR WHATEVER ELSE, WHENEVER THEY BUY IT AND THEY COME IN TO PULL THE BUILDING PERMITS, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO PAY.
SO YOU HAVE KIND OF LIKE THAT MENTALITY TOO. BUT IF WHAT I'M IF WHAT I'M HEARING IS MAYBE WE HAVE THE TRADITIONAL PROCESS THAT COULD STILL BE FINE TUNED. SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S JUST GOT TO STAY LIKE IT IS, BUT A FINE TUNED TRADITIONAL PROCESS.
AND THEN LIKE A EXPEDITED PROCESS, THEN THE EXPEDITED PROCESS COULD HAVE THOSE THINGS.
AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THEN YOU CAN DO THE TIA AND YOU CAN.
YOU CAN TELL THE CITY ENGINEER THAT HE'S WRONG. YEAH.
I THINK THERE'S SOME WISDOM. I DON'T MIND THAT, BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN COME BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS FROM NOW AND GO, NOBODY WANTS IT FASTER, OR YOU COME BACK AND SAY NOBODY'S DOING THE OLD PROCESS, LIKE, OKAY, HOW DO WE? BECAUSE I WANT TO TAKE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF LAND DEVELOPERS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
LIKE I TOLD HIM, WE TALKED THE TIME, QUALITY AND PRICE, RIGHT? THAT'S LIKE IF WE JUST GIVE UP ON TIME AND LET YOU HAVE AS FAST AS YOU CAN GO, BUT WE HIT YOU WITH A HIGHER COST.
AND THEY GET SPEED. THEN THEY CAN HIT THE MARKET FASTER.
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MARKET CHANGES. IT'S INDUSTRIAL. LIKE SOME OF THE GUYS OVER HERE AT THE MEGA SITE.BY THE TIME THEY GOT THROUGH SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES, THE MARKET HAD PEAKED ON, ON INDUSTRIAL AND THEN IT'S ON ITS WAY DOWN. SO LET ME, LET ME ASK THIS PHILOSOPHICALLY, DO WE WANT TO INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY IN THE HURRY UP AND GET IT DONE PROGRAM HERE, OR DO WE WANT TO STICK TO COMMERCIAL TYPE USES? BECAUSE MOST OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM THIS COUNCIL, AT LEAST THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, HAS BEEN, WE'RE NOT TERRIBLY EXCITED ABOUT MORE SINGLE FAMILY.
SO WHY WOULD WE HELP YOU GUYS MOVE FASTER? SO SHOULD WE PUT THEM OUT OF THE EXPEDITED LIST, OR SHOULD IT JUST BE THERE AND AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE? WELL, I THINK THE THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING EXPEDITED LIST IS THE ONE COMPLAINT IS ALWAYS, WHY DIDN'T YOU BUILD THE ROADS BEFORE THE PEOPLE CAME? AND IF YOU'VE GOT THE MONEY COMING IN WITH THE EXPEDITED PROCESS, THEN YOU CAN START BUILDING THE ROAD BEFORE ALL THE PEOPLE MOVE IN.
YOU KNOW, THE INTEREST RATES SKYROCKET. WELL, NOW YOU HAVE $5 MILLION IN THAT DAY'S MONEY.
AND TO DAN'S POINT, NOW YOU'RE PUTTING THE ROAD IN AND YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, WE'LL GIVE YOU A CREDIT.
AND WHENEVER YOU COME DOWN THE ROAD WITH THE NEW IMPACT FEES, YOU'RE GETTING IT.
SO TO ME, IF IT'S A WAY TO GET MORE MONEY TODAY.
WELL, I, I HEAR YOU, I DON'T THINK. AND AND CERTAINLY I'M HAPPY TO BE PROVEN WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK MOST OF THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT COME IN ARE BEING ASSESSED AT A FEE THAT WOULD REBUILD THE ROADS THAT LEAD TO THEM.
AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE. YEAH, BUT IT STILL GETS US CLOSER TO BEING ABLE TO TO DO THOSE PROJECTS.
SURE. BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, BROOKLYN'S MOVING IN ON 137.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ENOUGH MONEY FROM THEM TO REBUILD. 137 NO.
SO THAT'S THAT ROAD'S STILL NOT GOING TO GET REBUILT BEFORE THEY GET THERE.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN TWO NEIGHBOR WE'RE BUILDING A LIFT STATION TODAY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE PLANNING PROPERTY, BUT THEY'RE NOT PULLING BUILDING PERMITS. SO NOW WE'RE SPENDING OUR MONEY FOR THE GROWTH, AND THEN WE'RE WAITING.
AND THIS PROCESS, YOU GOT THE MONEY TODAY AND YOU'RE PUTTING IT TO USE AND YES, IT MAY, WE MAY IT MAY PAY HALF OF IT, BUT AT LEAST YOU GOT IT READY TO GO. SO THAT TO DAN'S POINT THEN WHEN THE HOMES COME NOW WE'RE NOT STRUGGLING LIKE WITH SAY SPROUTS.
THEY HAVE CAPACITY. NO, NO. WELL IMAGINE IF WHEN IT GOT PLATTED AND ALL THIS STUFF GOT DONE, WE ALREADY HAD THE MONEY AND BUILT. BUT AGAIN, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT PATHS TO WHERE THERE MAY BE.
NOW FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. YEAH, IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT.
YEAH. SO YOU'RE TALKING IF IT'S WATER AND WASTEWATER BOTH AND THEN THE TRAFFIC AS WELL.
SO IF YOU WERE GOING TO DO A THOUSAND LOT. NO ONE I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DOES THAT. BUT IF YOU WERE GOING TO DO 1000OZ, $20 MILLION, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE. YEAH. I MEAN, GENERALLY I DON'T TYPICALLY SEE PROJECTS THAT BIG ANYMORE.
NOT THAT THEY DON'T EXIST, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE THEY'RE KIND OF ONE OFFS.
IT'S IT'S USUALLY GOING TO BE 200 TO 300 AT MOST I WOULD SAY.
AND, AND AGAIN I, I'M NOT ADVOCATING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I'M JUST POINTING OUT SAYING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE ALL THE MONEY UP FRONT AND YOU COULD GO BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE AHEAD OF THE TIME OF THEM BEING THERE. THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE ACCURATE WAY OF SAYING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THE MONEY UP FRONT.
THAT IS TRUE. SO PART OF IT AND IT WOULD BE TODAY'S DOLLARS.
RIGHT. BUT IT'LL AT LEAST BE IT COULD BE CLOSER.
IT COULD BE SOONER AS WELL. YEAH. TAKE TAKE ALL THE STATES WE'RE GOING TO.
SO WE'RE NOW DESIGNING A THE OR WHATEVER WE THEY A WASTEWATER LINES BEING DESIGNED.
SURE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND $30 MILLION PUTTING IN A WASTEWATER LINE.
WE CONCEIVABLY COULD PUT THAT IN. THEY COULD GO BELLY UP, AND WE JUST PUT A $30 MILLION LINE, AND NO ONE'S GOING TO USE OUR CURRENT PROCESS.
I MEAN, THERE IS SOME TRUTH TO THAT, THAT THE FLIP SIDE OF IT IS, IS THAT IF WE HAD IT THE OTHER WAY, THEN THEN YOU COULD ALSO END UP WITH A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE PEARL ESTATES IS LIKE, HEY, I PREPAID MY IMPACT FEES.
THE CITY. YOU NEED TO GO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE COMING UP WITH THE OTHER 30 MILLION TO BUILD THE REST OF THAT LINE, BECAUSE WE'RE READY TO GO. AND THEN WE'RE LIKE, WELL, WE DON'T GOT 30 MILLION. AND WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO ISSUE 30 MILLION.
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THAT'S LIKE NOT MY PROBLEM. I PAID I PAID THE DEAL UP FRONT.YOU NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT. SO TO A CERTAIN DEGREE THERE COULD BE WHICH I'M OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND HAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE, AND WE ACKNOWLEDGED WE'RE ANNEXED AND ANNEXED TO THE CITY.
WE ACKNOWLEDGE, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO SUPPLY. THAT'S WHERE THE SCR COMES IN, RIGHT.
WE ACKNOWLEDGE WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT. OH I'M TRACKING I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT'S A IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE WHENEVER WE'RE LIKE AGREEING TO DO THAT IN REAL TIME VERSUS WHENEVER SOMEONE IS LEVERAGING YOU BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THEY THEY PREPAID THEIR FEES AND NOW THEY'RE LIKE, WE'RE READY TO GO AND YOU NEED TO GO COME UP WITH THE MONEY.
SO SO IT WOULD SIT. NOW WHAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY END UP WITH IS SOME PROPERTY WAY OUT THERE.
THEY WANT A PLOT. AND YOU'RE LIKE, MAN, I DON'T KNOW.
YOU KNOW, WE YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR BEING ABLE TO GET A LINE OUT THERE.
SO HERE YOU GO. YOU GOT IT. AND THEN THREE MONTHS LATER THEY'RE LIKE HEY BY THE WAY YOU NEED TO GO PULL THE TRIGGER ON THAT $30 MILLION, YOU KNOW, INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT BECAUSE WE'RE READY TO GO. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE'D HAVE TO THINK THROUGH AND, AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO CONTROL, TO WHERE WE'RE NOT STUCK HAVING TO GET LEVERAGED INTO DOING PROJECTS THAT I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO BE BETTER PLANNING AS A CITY. WHEN WE'RE BRINGING IN A PROJECT, WE NEED TO KNOW AS A COUNCIL.
FYI, HERE'S THE PLAN TO PROVIDE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, LET ME TRY TO STEP IN.
YEAH. LIKE WE JUST ANNEXED STUFF IN AND A YEAR LATER WE GET SPRUNG ON WITH SOME BIG COST.
WE GOT $1.8 BILLION ON OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS. YOU COULD HAVE SIX PROJECTS IN THE CITY TRIGGER YOU HAVING TO SPEND ALL $1.8 BILLION IF THEY WERE STRATEGICALLY PLACED IN THE RIGHT PLACES, AND THAT WOULD BREAK US AS A CITY.
SO YEAH, I MEAN, MIGHT NOT QUITE BE A LIKE CENTER, BUT.
YEAH. BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T SEE QUITE THAT HAPPENING.
YEAH. AND AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. I, I, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, THE PROPERTY WOULD NOT DEVELOP BECAUSE THE OFF SITE WAS TOO EXPENSIVE.
BUT NOW IF THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, IF I PREPAY MY PART, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE VERY EXPENSIVE FOR THAT OFF SITE, NOW I'M GOING TO SAY, HEY CITY, YOU GOTTA GO.
YOU GOTTA COME UP WITH THAT MONEY TO BUILD MY OFF SITE.
SO WHERE THE MARKET WOULD HAVE CAUSED THAT PROPERTY TO HAVE TO WAIT A LONG TIME TO DEVELOP AS THE STUFF DEVELOPED IN BETWEEN, OR AS THE CITY DID A BIGGER PROJECT THAT GOT IT TO THEM.
NOW YOU COULD HAVE A MECHANISM THAT COULD JUMP AHEAD OF THAT TIMELINE AND THEN PUT A TON OF BURDEN ON US AND THE TAXPAYERS AND THE RATEPAYERS TO COME UP WITH DEBT SERVICE THAT PAY FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE BECAUSE IF WE WERE ONLY BUILDING THAT LINE FOR PEARL ESTATES, THAT'S THAT'S NOT A GOOD THAT'S NOT A GOOD INVESTMENT.
WE ARE WELL, WE ARE TODAY. BUT I THINK THERE'S OTHER THINGS OUT THERE THAT THAT'S OUT OF PEOPLE'S ETJ BECAUSE AS SOON AS THE CITY TRIES TO PLAY HARD AND I'M NOT SAYING WE DO THIS, BUT CITIES PLAY HARDBALL. WE DON'T WANT YOUR DEVELOPMENT.
SO THEN THEY START SLOW PAYING STUFF. SO THEN WHAT DO PEOPLE SAY? WAS IT 12? WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE 1285? I'M 1285 AND OUT OF HERE.
AND I'M LIKE, SO WHAT I SEE IS THE STATE, I'LL JUST FINISH WITH THIS.
THE STATE'S GOING TO MAKE US DO IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. AND I THINK THE FASTER WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEAT THE STATE AND DO IT TO OUR ADVANTAGE, WE CAN EITHER DO IT TO OUR ADVANTAGE AND GO WHAT THE STATE WANTS, OR WE CAN WAIT FOR THE STATE TO DICTATE TO US.
AND I THINK WE HAVE THE TIME TO DO IT TO WHERE IT'S ADVANTAGEOUS TO US AND FIGURE OUT ALL THE LITTLE HOW DO WE WORK THESE OUT? AND WE'RE PROTECTED BEFORE WE GET SCREWED BY SOME LAW LIKE 1285, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN LITIGATION ON THAT OR WHAT I TELL YOU.
840 THAT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT TODAY, BUT THERE'LL BE SENATE BILL 3 IN 2 YEARS.
BEFORE WE ADJOURN, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT HAS A THAT THINKS THAT OUGHT TO BE PHILOSOPHICALLY, THAT IT'S OUR JOB TO PROTECT PROPERTY OWNERS FROM SOME OF THESE ISSUES? I KNOW IT'S IT'S A BROAD STATEMENT, BUT I THINK THE THE TEXAS STATUTES LET US TELL US WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO, AND THAT SHOULD BE PARAMOUNT. I THINK THE CITY MANAGER TALKED ABOUT PLAYING OUT WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES US TO DO,
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WHETHER THEY ALLOW US TO DO, AND THEN WHAT IS AT LEAST A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE DOING, AND THEN LOOKING AT A, YOU KNOW, REGULAR PATH AND AN EXPEDITED PATH.WHAT? WHOOPS. THAT MEANS THAT'S OUTSIDE. THAT'S ENGINEERING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HOW YOU WANT THAT.
BUT I THINK IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THE STATUTES CHANGE ALL THE TIME.
I HATE IT THAT WAY. OUR LEGISLATURE MEETS EVERY TWO YEARS BECAUSE IT'S LIKE THIS FLOOD AND THEN THERE'S NOTHING AND BUT, YOU KNOW, COMING IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND CITY STAFF IS GOING IN.
AND WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT SHOULD WE DO? WHAT WHAT IS WHAT ARE WE ALLOWED.
AND THEN LOOK AT MARKET. WHAT IS OUR MARKET? WHO IS USING THESE THINGS.
MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO, BUT NO ONE USES THAT OR JUST IT'S A ONE OFF TYPE OF THING.
AND THEN COMPARE REALITY DFW VALLEY, CENTRAL TEXAS, WEST TEXAS, WHATEVER.
I THINK THERE ARE EXPERIENCED, SOPHISTICATED DEVELOPERS WHO WANT TO GO FAST, AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY'RE DOING WHO SHOULD BE PROTECTED BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE A PROBLEM NO MATTER WHAT.
AND I MEAN, WHAT WOULD MCALISTER'S BE DOING IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE SOME OF THAT STUFF DONE? THEY'D HAVE TEN MORE THINGS ON THEIR LIST TO DO THAT WOULDN'T BE DONE TO PROTECT THEM.
RIGHT. DO YOU WANT THAT BUILDING TO BE HALF DONE FOR THREE MORE YEARS, OR DO YOU WANT THEM TO FINISH THE DAMN THING AND DO SOMETHING WITH IT? I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. I'M JUST LIKE, WELL, I MEAN, THEY HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS. YEAH, THEY'RE HAVING FINANCIAL ISSUES. THEY DIDN'T PAY CONTRACTORS, SO CONTRACTORS WENT BACK OUT THERE AND RIPPED OUT ALL THEIR STUFF. OH, YEAH.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE EVEN MORE FUN. I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY A MEME IN HUTTO.
I MEAN, COME ON. TELL ME ABOUT IT. I JUST FINISHED THIS.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL ADJOURN AT 657.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.