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[Planning and Zoning on October 14, 2025.]
AND WITH THAT, WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR TUESDAY, OCTOBER 14TH, 2025 TO ORDER FIRST UP THERE.WE HAVE COMMISSIONER RAD HERE.
COMMISSIONER HUDSON, COMMISSIONER STEWART.
ANY WORD FROM CHERYL? UH, WE WERE GONNA HAVE HER, BUT I GUESS NOT.
UH, COMMISSIONER DE DELAY HERE.
AND COMMISSIONER DE LEON HERE.
ALRIGHT, NEXT UP IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? WE DO.
THERE WON'T BE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR IT.
NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN DO PUBLIC COMMENT ON FIVE TWO.
MAY I ASK WHERE'S THE PODIUM?
NEXT UP IS, UH, ITEM 4.1 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FOR THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2025.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WORTZ.
ANY DISCUSSION OR COMMENT ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT.
HEARING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
NEXT IS ITEM 5.1 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED TITAN INNOVATION BUSINESS PARK.
PHASE THREE, BLOCK FIVE, LOT ONE FINAL PLAT, 13.021 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND ONE INDUSTRIAL LOT LOCATED ON LIMMER LOOP AND TO THE EAST OF INNO INNOVATION BOULEVARD.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS FOR THE RECORD.
THE ENTIRE TITAN INNOVATION, UH, BUSINESS PARK PHASE THREE IS APPROXIMATELY JUST OVER 51 ACRES OF LAND.
UM, AND IT'S GONNA BE THREE INDUSTRIAL SITES.
THE SITE WAS ANNEXED AND ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IN MAY OF 2021.
AND EARLIER THIS YEAR YOU SAW THAT PRELIMINARY PLATS.
UM, WITH THIS PROPOSED FINAL PLAT, IT'S GONNA CONSIST OF JUST ONE INDUSTRIAL LOT.
UM, AGAIN, ZONED LI FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND AGAIN, IS A PART OF THAT TITAN INNOVATION BUSINESS PARK DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIMMER LOOP RIGHT OF WAY ALONG WITH B TWO, WHICH IS OUR GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO THE EAST, SOUTH, AND WEST.
IT'S THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND ALL A PART OF THAT TITAN INNOVATION, UH, BUSINESS PARK, AGAIN, BEING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
UM, WITH THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES, YOU'RE THINKING MORE MANUFACTURING WAREHOUSE TYPE USES.
AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DOES DESIGNATE THIS AREA AS EMPLOYMENT CENTER, WHICH LINES UP WITH INDUSTRIAL.
AND THEN OF COURSE YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET AS WELL.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE APPLIC APPLICATION WAS REVIEWED TO ENSURE THAT, UM, NOT ONLY STATE LAW, BUT ALSO OUR, THE UDC WAS MET, UH, STAFF DETERMINED THAT THIS REQUEST IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE RULES.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE APPLICANT DID WAIVE THE SHOT CLOCK, SO THEY ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE TWO 12.009 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PLAT WITH THE CONDITION THAT ALL FEES ARE PAID PRIOR TO A PLAT RECORDATION.
AND THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WILL OPEN IT UP TO COMMENTS, DISCUSSION QUESTIONS.
ON THE FLAG LOT, LOT FIVE, THE POLE PART OF THE ENTRANCE, THE DRIVEWAY, IS THAT A DRIVEWAY OR IS THAT GOING TO BE A STREET? AND HOW LONG IS THAT? THAT'LL BE THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE.
UM, I'M TRYING TO, LOOKS LIKE IT'S 5 0 7 FEET.
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I WOULD LOOK, I I NEVER FOUND IT.AND 50 FEET WIDE AT THE OPENING ON LIVER.
WHAT'S THE MINIMUM, UM, DISTANCE LENGTH REQUIRED BY THE CITY ON A FLAG LOT FOR, FOR AN ENTRANCE TO BE DEAD ON THE ENTRANCE? YEAH.
UM, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK, BUT THAT DOES MEET, IT DOES MEET THE CODE.
AND MY QUESTION, UH, REGARDING THE SAME STRIP IS, DO THE OTHER LOTS TO THE NORTH OF LOT FIVE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT DRIVEWAY? OR IS THAT JUST ONE 1200 FOOT STREET
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY.
THE OTHER THERE, IF EVERY LIGHT GETS SPLIT UP, THEY'RE ALL GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN ENTRANCE.
HOW FAR, HOW FAR DID, I DIDN'T HEAR IF YOU SAID IT OR NOT.
HOW FAR IS THAT ENTRANCE OR EXIT ON LEMUR LOOP? HOW FAR IS THAT FROM, UM, AND IS IT INNOVATION? MM-HMM
HOW FAR IS THAT? DO WE KNOW? NOT DOES THAT STREET AWAY, ISN'T THERE? HOW, HOW FAR? YEAH.
THERE'S, IF, IF THE VICINITY MAPS THE SCALE, IT'S ALMOST TWICE AS WIDE AS THAT LOT AND THAT LOT.
I I'D SAY BETWEEN IT'S A THOUSAND FOOT, 800 FOOT I'D I'D SAY BETWEEN EIGHT AND 800 AND A THOUSAND FEET.
IS THERE NOT A STREET ALREADY OVER THERE? THERE'S ANOTHER ENTRANCE, UH, TO THE, TO THE EAST.
KIND OF WHERE THE BENCHMARK LIST OKAY.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS ANOTHER ENTRANCE ALONG THERE, BUT I JUST WASN'T FOR SURE.
WHERE, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE THEIR ACCESS? I GUESS THAT'S GOING, GOING TO THE, UM, EAST INSTEAD OF COMING OUT ON LEMUR LOOP, THEY'RE GOING DOWN.
CAN THEY OR DO THEY HAVE ACCESS TO, UH, WHERE THEY COULD GO IN, INTO INNOVATION BOULEVARD AND DO GO RIGHT OR LEFT OR INNOVATION? I'M JUST THINKING OF TRAFFIC.
WE ALREADY KNOW INNOVATION AND I KNOW THERE'S A LIGHT GOING THERE, BUT STILL THAT'S, THAT'S A BUSY ROAD AND THAT'S JUST MORE TRAFFIC BEING PUT OUT ON THE ROAD AT AN UNPROTECTED ROAD I SHOULD SAY.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND IT'S 800 TO A THOUSAND FOOT, WHICH IS A GOOD DISTANCE, BUT STILL IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING.
DO THEY NOT, I HAVE A, UH, SECONDARY ACCESS THERE GOING TO THE, TO THE WEST.
RIGHT THERE AT THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.
COULD WE NOT REQUEST 'EM TO USE THAT ONE INSTEAD OF THE ONE THEY'RE WANTING TO GO TO THE NORTH WITH? WELL THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
CAN, CAN THEY USE THE ACCESS TO THE WEST GOING DOWN TO INNOVATION AND HAVE ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY FROM INNOVATION INSTEAD OF PUTTING IN A 1200 SQUARE, 1200 SQUARE FOOT, 1200 FOOT DRIVEWAY INTO LEMUR? I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU GUYS TRAVEL DOWN LEMUR, BUT THAT'S, THAT ROAD SUCKS IN THE MORNING.
WELL, WHERE, WHERE THIS DRIVE IS IS THERE'S A, A SLIGHT HILL THAT GOES ON.
AND SO IT IS A LITTLE BLIND WHEN YOU'RE COMING UP AND PEOPLE ARE GOING 60 THIS WAY.
MATT, CAN YOU, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? UM, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN PULL LIKE AN AERIAL IMAGE UP? I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, MATT
I'M USED TO IT BECAUSE GOOGLE'S REAL.
GOOGLE EARTH'S GOT A REAL GOOD SHOT OF IT.
I CAN'T, I CAN'T SEE THAT FAR, BUT IT'S LIKE OLD, IT'S PRETTY OLD LIKE A, LIKE YEAH.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THIS LOT RIGHT NOW, I GUESS.
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AND THEY'RE WANTING TO COME UP THROUGH HERE.RIGHT? WELL, AND THAT'S WHERE THE REST OF TITAN IS GONE.
AND THAT'S THAT CORNER UP, THAT'S THAT CORNER ON THE HILL UP THERE.
YEAH, THAT'S, I GO THROUGH THE, UH, IF YOU TYPE IN MAPS AND JUST TYPE IN LIKE 2009 INNOVATION THIS WAY.
SO IT'S RIGHT AT, SO THIS IS, THAT'S THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY FOR THE HOUSE THAT USED TO SIT THERE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE JUST GOING, THEY'RE PLANNING ON USING THAT? NO, ACTUALLY IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS GOING, UH, BUT UP RIGHT NEXT.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE BIG UH OKAY.
IT'S RUNNING DOWN ALONG THE SIDE OF THAT, BEHIND THE, AND THEN IT'LL BE JUST TO THE EAST OF THE BLUE ROOF BUILDING.
SO THAT 1200 FEET BASICALLY GETS YOU DOWN, DOWN TO THE, DOWN SOUTH OF THAT HOUSE YEAH.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE ALREADY GOT ACCESS.
THERE'RE GOING TO THE WEST TWO INNOVATION ALREADY, SO WHY COULDN'T, RIGHT.
SO THAT, THAT IS A WAY FOR THEM TO GET TO INNOVATION.
NOW THE ONE, THE ONE THING THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN THIS CAME UP ON THE PRELIMINARY IS SOMEHOW MAKING A CONNECTION BETWEEN LOT FIVE.
AND ON THIS MAP IT'S EDC MOVING SOLUTIONS BECAUSE AS IT STANDS CURRENTLY ANY SORT OF DELIVERY PRODUCT, UPS, FEDEX, ET CETERA, HAS TO GO BACK DOWN TO, UH, SCHNEIDER.
COME OUT TO INNOVATION AND COME UP AND AROUND IS IT BENDS? YEP.
AND HAVING THAT INNER CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE PARKING LOTS IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, HOWEVER THEY WANNA WORK, THAT WILL REDUCE THOSE TRIPS AND WILL REDUCE THE POSSIBLE TRAFFIC CONFLICTS ON INNOVATION AND ON LIMMER WITH THESE DELIVERY VEHICLES BOUNCING AROUND TO DIFFERENT ADDRESSES IN THE BUSINESS PARK.
SO ZOOM OUT A LITTLE AND LIKE GO TO THE YEP.
SO WHEN, WHEN THE WHOLE TITAN INNOVATION BUSINESS PARK WAS ORIGINALLY OKAY.
IN CONCEPT TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD WHERE THAT CUL-DE-SAC IS AT UHHUH
THE ROAD TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD WAS SUPPOSED TO CONNECT ALL THE WAY UP TO LIME LOOP.
THAT WOULD'VE AVOIDED A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW.
UNFORTUNATELY, YOU HAD SOME TURNOVER IN YOUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
YOU HAD SOME TURNOVER IN YOUR CITY MANAGEMENT, YOU HAD SOME TURNOVER IN YOUR PLANNING DEVELOPMENT AREAS.
AND SO MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE TURNOVER IN ENGINEERING, THEY WERE NOT FORCED TO REMOVE THAT TEMPORARY TURNAROUND AND CONTINUE THE ROAD TO THE NORTH.
SO THERE IS NO PLAN RIGHT NOW TO CONNECT TO THAT CUL-DE-SAC AND CONNECT EVERYTHING ON THE NORTH TO EVERYTHING ON THE SOUTH.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE REALLY LOW HANGING FRUIT.
AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP ON THE PRELIMINARY TO SEE IF WE COULD ASK COAX WHATEVER THEM INTO CONNECTING THAT JUST TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC ON.
WELL, AND IT'S BIGGER ENTRANCES FOR YOUR BIGGER CURVE AS A SEMI IS.
NOW 50 FOOT WIDE IS GONNA BE PLENTY WIDE FOR A SEMI, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S A DESAL LANE.
BEING BE, YOU KNOW, HAVING A, A FEDEX, UH, 30 FOOT SEMI ROLL IN HERE AND THEN HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND GO BACK OUT TO LIMMER, MAKE A LEFT, MAKE A LEFT ON INNOVATION TO GO, WE'RE JUST CAUSING MORE TRAFFIC.
WELL, AND IF YOU GOT A, IF YOU GOT A 30 FOOT SEMI COMING OUT ON LIMMER OR TRYING TO MAKE THAT LEFT ON OFF A LIMMER ONTO ENGINEER MM-HMM
YOU GOT TRAFFIC BACKED UP FOR THERE YOU GO FOR MILES.
SO THERE'S GOTTA BE A BETTER WAY TO GET IN AND OUT OF THERE.
AND I THINK HAVING THE CON THE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE EXISTING LOTS TO THE SOUTH AND THIS UNDEVELOPED CURRENTLY LAND TO THE NORTH, I THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT.
ARE THEY REPLANTING TO SELL IT AND PROVIDE ACCESS TO
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BUYS IT? IS THAT WHAT THE PURPOSE? SO THE, THE WAY THEY TYPICALLY DO THIS IS THEY WILL GET THE BUILDING DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED AND THEN THEY WILL LEASE IT OUT OR SELL IT.AND THE 1200 FOOT DRIVEWAY IS GOING RIGHT DOWN THAT THE EDGE OF THE BLACK, THE SIDE OF THAT, EXACTLY WHAT BUSINESS IS GONNA GO INTO THIS OR WHO'S GONNA LEASE IT OR BUY IT.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE TRAFFIC RIGHT.
FROM TRIPS PER DAY OR FEDEX OR UPS AND I MEAN, SMI SCHNEIDER WAS DESIGNED TO HANDLE THE BUSINESS PARK TRAFFIC.
SO LET'S GET THE BUSINESS PARK DOWN TO SCHNEIDER RATHER THAN ABSOLUTELY DUMPING ON THE LIMMER OR INNOVATION.
THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THIS ONE.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN IS I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE THAT ROAD COMING, THAT DRIVEWAY COMING OUT ON THE LEMER LOOP.
I, I HATE DRIVING ON LIMMER THE WAY IT IS, BUT YOU HAD ANOTHER SET OF STREETS IN THERE LIKE THAT.
YOU'RE ASKING FOR TROUBLE, YOU'RE ASKING FOR ALL KINDS OF BACKUP AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WE'RE PUTTING A A SIGNAL IN THERE SOMEDAY WHEN, WHEN THE, WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY DECIDES TO DO IT.
AND THERE WILL PROBABLY BE A RIGHT HAND TURN FROM INNOVATION TO LIMMER.
ALL OF THIS IS IN THE WORKS, BUT UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, HAVING MORE LARGE VEHICLE TRAFFIC, IT ANYWHERE NEAR THAT INTERSECTION IS NOT A GOOD THING.
IS THAT PART, PART OF LEMUR? IS THAT THE CITY'S ROAD? OR IS THAT COUNTY? THIS IS CITY ROAD.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A SCHEMATIC THAT WE JUST BROUGHT TO CITY COUNCIL TWO WEEKS AGO.
LAST COUNCIL MEETING, I THINK.
WHERE WE PRESENTED FROM INNOVATION ALL THE WAY TO 1660, WHAT THE FUTURE SIX LIR LOOP WOULD LOOK LIKE MM-HMM
AND, UH, THERE WERE AREAS WHERE WE WERE GONNA SQUEEZE IT DOWN BECAUSE OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE CONSTRAINING US.
AND CITY COUNCIL BASICALLY SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT TO CONSTRICT IT DOWN.
THEY WANT WHATEVER WE NEED ULTIMATELY FOR A LIER LOOP SO THAT IT, IT IS DESIGNED THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE DESIGNED FOR THE FUTURE TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE PROJECTING ALL THE WAY TO ALL THE WAY TO ONE 30.
RIGHT NOW, ALL WE'RE LOOKING AT IS INNOVATION, INNOVATION TO 66.
BECAUSE IF YOU GO WEST OF INNOVATION, THAT'S STILL COUNTY ROAD.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS STILL CITY.
NO, RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S COUNTY FROM INNOVATION WEST AND CITY FROM INNOVATION EAST.
AND THEN FROM 1660 EAST IS, THAT'S TILL OUT PAST COVID OR WHATEVER IT IS FROM 1660 EAST TO COUNTY ROAD 1 32.
I THINK IT'S COUNTY A MIX IT IF WE CAN.
I KIND OF REMEMBER THE FLIP FLOPPING BACK AND FORTH.
WILLIAMSON COUNTY MAINTENANCE ENDS.
THAT, THAT'S REALLY MY ONLY ISSUE WITH THIS IS NO, I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO ADD ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS ON TOP OF THE ONES THE STAFF HAS ALREADY RECOMMENDED, THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE TO GO AHEAD AND ADD ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS TO THE APPROVAL OF THIS FLAT.
SO WHY, WHY WAS, WHY WAS, I THINK YOU MAY HAVE ANSWERED IT.
WHY WAS THE DRIVEWAY THE OPTION INSTEAD OF LINKING INTO NEW, NEW TECHNOLOGY? I, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE ROAD, RIGHT? RIGHT.
UM, SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS, EVERY TIME I'VE BROUGHT UP, WHY, WHY DID THEY NOT EXTEND NEW TECHNOLOGY TO LIMMER LOOP? THEY BASICALLY SAID, WELL THAT'S WHAT THE CITY LET US DO.
SO WE DIDN'T SEE A POINT IN, IN DOING IT.
AND IT, IT'S WHAT EVERY DEVELOPER WANTS IS ACCESS.
IF THEY'RE GONNA SELL THIS RELEASE THIS, THEY'RE GONNA SELL THAT AS AN ACCESS POINT OR PEOPLE TO BUILD A BUSINESS AROUND THE FACT THAT THERE'S ANOTHER ACCESS BECAUSE MY, YEAH.
UH, THE EASEMENT, I BELIEVE IT'S AT THE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT WHERE THAT ROAD IS, I BELIEVE UHHUH,
HOW THEY GETTING IN? THEY'RE NOT DIG, DIG UP WHAT THE UH, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THE WATER WIDE, UH YEAH, THE WATER BAR.
YEAH, THE WATER EASEMENT RIGHT THERE AT THE
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ENTRANCE AND AT THE, THE A ACTUALLY BOTH ENTRANCES, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GETTING IN IS RIGHT ATIF, IF YOU, YOU SLIDE IT, UH, NOR UH, UP A LITTLE OR YEAH.
SO WE CAN SEE MORE NORTH BECAUSE IT'S, YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
SO, BECAUSE THE EASEMENT RUNS RIGHT THERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THEN THAT'S THE DRIVE THAT GOES UP.
SO WOULDN'T IF YOU EVER NEEDED ACCESS AT ANY POINT.
'CAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS GOING THROUGH ON THE NORTH SIDE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND I MEAN, IF THERE'S A ROAD AND NO OTHER WAY, THEY'RE MOST LIKELY GONNA TRY TO BO BUT IF NOT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET ACCESS TO ANOTHER LOT.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S OTHER ACCESS EASEMENTS THROUGH HERE, BUT, WELL, I'M OKAY WITH THE ACCESS ON LIMMER.
I'M WITH THAT JUST FOR SAFETY PURPOSES.
I WAS GONNA SAY FIRE DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT ACCESS.
I'M OKAY WITH THAT BEING THERE.
WELL, I MEAN THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FORCES YOU TO HAVE AN ACCESS EASEMENT OFF YOUR PROPERTY, THEY'RE GONNA PUT A NOX BOX OR YEAH, TRUE.
THE RADIO TRANSPONDER OPEN THE GATE AUTOMATICALLY OR MANUALLY.
BUT I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING IS FOR SAFETY PURPOSES, I'M FINE WITH THAT BEING THERE.
I'M ALSO OKAY WITH IT FOR CUSTOMERS TURNING OFF OF LIMMER IN THERE.
BUT THE HEAVY TRAFFIC IS WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO INNOVATION IN LIMMER AND THE PROBLEMS THAT THAT INTERSECTION HAS.
CAN WE OFF OF LIMMER LOOP MAKE THAT A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT? IT EVENTUALLY WILL BE ANYWAY.
BECAUSE THE ULTIMATE SCHEMATIC SHOWS US PUTTING A MEDIAN IN LIMMER LOOP.
BUT HOW FAR, HOW FAR IN THE FUTURE ARE WE TALKING? IT'LL BE A WHILE.
DEACCELERATION AND AN ACCELERATION LANE OR SOMETHING.
IT'LL BE A LONG WHILE RIDING RIGHT OUT.
THAT JUST IT, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO GET A DESIGN AND THEN CITY COUNCIL HAS TO FIND THE FUNDING MM-HMM
PAY FOR THE, THE WIDENING AND CONSTRUCTION.
AND SO, YEAH, I'M JUST GUESSING YOU'RE TALKING SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE IT'S ACTUALLY BUILT.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT FROM THE CORNER OF LOT FIVE ON THE PLAT TO THE CIRCLE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT 40 OR 50 FEET.
BUT THERE IS, I WILL SAY THAT THERE IS A, A GRADE CHANGE.
HAVE THEY SUBMITTED ANY SITE PLANS? THERE'S A WHAT? A GRADE CHANGE.
IT'S QUITE A, QUITE A HEALTHY CHANGE.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT JUST A GENTLE, I KNOW HAVEN'T DONE DEVELOPMENT A LOT OF, UM, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN BACK ENGINEERING FIRMS. I'LL SUBMIT THE SITE PLAN BECAUSE THEY'RE WAITING ON THE FINAL PLA TO BE APPROVED AND WHATNOT.
BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING, I'M CURIOUS HOW THEY HAVE A, I'M SORRY ON THE PLAN, THEIR ENTRANCE AND EXITS.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S A FARFETCHED OR A FAR STRETCH TO ASK THEM TO CONNECT THAT PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT TO THE ONE THAT GOES EAST, WEST.
FROM THE POINT WHERE THE FLAGPOLE HITS THE FLAG.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA.
ESPECIALLY FOR THE BIG TRUCKS AS GOING IN AND OUT.
SO THEY COULD AVOID GOING ON LIMBER LOOP.
COULD WE ASK THEM TO HAVE THE DEVELOPER PAY FOR A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT WITH THE ACCELERATION DEACCELERATION LANE? I'M ALREADY WORKING ON THAT.
I'VE MADE THEM DO A FULL TIA OKAY.
AND SO WE'RE ALREADY NEGOTIATING WITH THEM FOR TURN LANES AND THAT KIND OF THING.
THE TEXT STOP ROAD AND TEXT DO PUSHES BACK AT ALL.
THEY'LL TELL YOU IF YOU WANT THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS TO PAY FOR BOTH OF THOSE LIENS TO BE ADDED.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COULD BE A CONDITION ON THAT ACCESS.
WELL, IF THEY PAY A TIA FEE, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO CONSTRUCT IT THEMSELVES.
CORRECT? UM, WELL THEY'RE DOING THE TIA AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE E EITHER LEFT OR RIGHT, OR BOTH TURN LANES OKAY.
UH, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS IF THEY PAY THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE.
SO WHEN YOU DO TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT PROJECTS WERE INCLUDED MM-HMM
IN THE CALCULATION OF THAT IMPACT FEE.
IF THE PROJECT WAS INCLUDED, THEN YES, THEY COULD SAY, WE'RE ALREADY PAYING THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE.
WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY TO BUILD THIS, OR WE SHOULD GET CREDIT FOR WHAT WE BILL, WHICHEVER WAY THAT YOU WANNA NEGOTIATE IT.
IF IT WAS NOT INCLUDED, THEN WE ACTUALLY COULD
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THEORETICALLY MAKE THEM BUILD IT AND STILL PAY THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT.AND AS FAR AS THE GRADE GOES, I AM KIND OF QUESTIONING IT JUST BASED ON THE, UH, AERIAL SHOT WE HAVE HERE.
CAN WE JUST DROP THE PEN IN THE, IN THE CUL-DE-SAC TO SEE? I DON'T THINK YOU CAN, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GET BACK IN THERE CAN YOU? YEAH, CAN.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT JUST A GENTLE SLOPE.
MAYBE IT'LL SLOW THE TRUCK TIME THAT'S GOING THROUGH IT.
IT'S, IT'S NOT A GEN, YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT'S NOT A GENTLE SLOPE, BUT IT'S A, TO ME THAT LOOKS LIKE A SLOPE THAT COULD BE GRADED YEAH.
TO ALLOW 18 WHEELERS THROUGH THERE.
WELL, I MEAN, AT THE, AT THE MAXIMUM, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THE 10 WHEEL UPS TRUCKS OR WHATEVER, BUT I MEAN, ARGUABLY RIGHT.
BUT I MEAN, I, I'VE, I'VE TOLD MY CLIENT MY ENTIRE CAREER, IT'S JUST MONEY.
I CAN DESIGN WHATEVER YOU WANT.
AND SO YEAH, YOU, THERE'S A GREAT CHANGE THERE.
YOU COULD PUT UP A RETAINING WALL AND YOU COULD KEEP THE THING FLAT AND GO FURTHER INTO YOUR SITE.
THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS THERE.
IT'S EASY TO SAY, NOPE, THERE'S A GREAT CHANGE, I CAN'T DO IT.
THAT'S A TYPICAL LIKE DEVELOPER STANCE TYPE THING.
BUT IT'S REALLY JUST A MATTER OF HOW MUCH WE WANT TO FIGHT WITH THEM TO TRY TO FORCE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND HONESTLY, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS PLAT EXCEPT FOR THAT, THAT ACCESS.
I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, DO YOU GUYS COULD ADD ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS TO THE APPROVAL? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS DISCUSSION WARRANTS THE DENIAL OF THE PLAT, BUT WE'VE ALREADY GOT CONDITIONS ON THERE.
SO YOU COULD ADD ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND TALK TO HIM ABOUT IT.
ANYTHING FURTHER ON THIS ITEM THEN? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 5.1.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO ACCEPT 5.1 AS PRESENTED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE DRIVE OR THE, I'M SORRY, THE ACCESS SOUTH, THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF LOT FIVE HAVE A ACCESS TO NEW TECHNOLOGY, BOULEVARD VEHICLE ACCESS TO NEW TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD
ARE YOU GONNA INCLUDE INTO YOUR MOTION THAT, UH, THE APPROVAL OF THE STAFF, WHAT THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED? OH, OH YES.
IN ADDITION TO STAFF COMMENTS AND CONDITIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
NEXT IS ITEM 5.2, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE EMORY CROSSING.
PHASE FIVE, FINAL PLAT, 23.678 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND.
FOUR MULTI-FAMILY LOTS, TWO OPEN SPACE LOTS, TWO ALLEY LOTS, AND ONE PRIVATE DRAINAGE LOT LOCATED EAST OF EDGE SCHMIDT BOULEVARD COUNTY ROAD ONE 19 AND WEST OF FM 1660.
AND WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A MICROPHONE.
MAY I APPROACH THE BENCH? YES.
I, UH, THIS IS KIND OF MY IMAGE ON, I JUST HAVE, I DON'T NEED ONE.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T BEFORE MY L AS, SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW
EVERYBODY ELSE SAY THAT'S A LITTLE, SO THE X IS, JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, I'M JUST COMING HERE AS, UH, WEARING MY HAT AS A CITIZEN, BUT I ALSO, YEAH, I'M, UH, FOR THE RECORD, WILL WE JUST TAKE, OH, FOR THE RECORD, UH, JIM MORRIS, CITIZEN OF HU, RESIDENT OF HU PARK.
SO, UM, I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR ANYONE SPECIFIC, UH, ANY OF THE SPECIFIC RESIDENTS, BUT I KNOW MANY SHARE MY, UH, SHARE SIMILAR CONCERNS.
AND THIS IS ON PAGE 17 OF THE PACKET.
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AND THIS, UH, THE TOP OF THE PAGE IS HEADING NORTH.AND YOU CAN SEE 1660 NORTH ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT.
AND LIER LOOP GOING EAST, WEST ON A
UM, AND I, I HAVE, I, AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SIDE OF THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT OR AGENDA.
I'M JUST WANTED TO BRING UP A GENERAL ISSUE ABOUT THE POSSIBLE TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT COULD BE ENTERING SOUTH ALONG THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED LINE INTO HUDDLE PARK.
AND HUDDLE PARK IS BASICALLY THOSE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
SO EIGHT, EIGHT STREETS GOING EAST, WEST, AND THEN FOURTH STREET'S GOING NORTH SOUTH.
SO RIGHT NOW, UM, THE, THE FARTHEST, UH, NORTH STREET ON THERE, WHICH IS PART OF THE HORIZONTAL HIGHLIGHT LINE, JUST CARRINGTON STREET.
AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S TWO STUDS THAT HAD, UH, NORTH, I FORGET, UM, HE HENSLEY, I THINK IT'S THE NUMBER, BUT THE ONE THAT'S WHERE THE BM 1 0 6, THAT'S HALSEY BY ADMIRAL HALLSEY.
SO WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT IF THIS IS CONNECT, THIS PARTICULAR SITE THAT'S IN BLACK OR ANY OTHER, THE OTHER REGIONS HERE IN EMORY CROSS, BEFORE THE CONNECTION OF EMORY CROSSING BOULEVARD GOES FROM EDGE NET CR ONE 19, ALL THE WAY OVER TO 1660, THERE'S GONNA BE A TAP.
I BELIEVE I'M, THAT'S THE CONCERN IS WHAT IS THE TIMING OF THAT TAPPING INTO AN EGRESS HEADING EAST OUT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAY BE SUBSEQUENT IN THAT, AGAIN, THERE'S NO ISSUE ABOUT THIS AGENDA ITEM FOR MYSELF OR ANYONE THAT I'VE HEARD.
SO WHAT I'M CONCERNED IS, IS THAT THIS, IF YOU FOLLOW THE YELLOW LINE SOUTH FROM WHERE IT SAYS SITE, IT'LL COME IN OF A TAP AT HALSEY STREET AGAIN ON CARRINGTON.
THE PROBLEM WITH CARRINGTON IS THAT THERE ARE NO STOP SIGNS ON THAT ROAD BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO INTERSECTIONS GOING EAST WEST.
WE ALREADY HAVE AN INTERNAL PROBLEM WITH ABOUT 7 76 HOMES.
AND ON THAT NORTH SIDE, EVERYONE FLOODS UP, EVEN IF THEY'RE HEADING SOUTH, THEY FLOOD NORTH, GET ONTO TO, UM, UH, CARRINGTON AND DO 40 MILES AN HOUR.
IT'S ONE OF THE SPOTS THAT THE CITY HAS THE RADAR TRAILER ON.
SO IF YOU HAVE A TRAILER ON YOUR STREET, THAT'S NOT A GOOD SIGN.
SO IT'S JUST, I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY ENGINEERING AND, AND JUST TRAFFIC IMPACT IN GENERAL.
WHAT IS THAT GONNA LOOK LIKE? WHAT IS THE TIMING OF THAT? AND I, I DIDN'T MARK IT ON HERE, BUT THE ONLY STREET THAT TAPS INTO EDGE SCHMIDT, THAT IS EMORY CROSSING BOULEVARD, UNLESS I MADE A MISTAKE.
AND YOU SEE HOW IT KIND OF GOES TO THE NORTHEAST CURVES BACK, AND THEN THERE'S BM DASH 1 0 5 MM-HMM
AND THEN THERE'S A CIRCLE AT THE END OF THAT.
ALL THAT EXISTS PER GOOGLE MAPS RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND SOME OF THESE OTHER STREETS THAT ARE HEADING COMING OFF TO THE EAST, THEY DON'T GO AS FAR AS THAT.
UM, BUT I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT IT MAY TAKE TWO OR THREE YEARS TO GET EMORY CROSSING BOULEVARD ALL THE WAY OVER TO 1660 FOR, FOR OUR EAST EGRESS OUT OF THIS WHOLE EMORY CROSSING THIS AREA PROBABLY WILL.
AND AS, AS ENGINEERS BROUGHT UP TO ME THAT, THAT, THAT WE'RE, WE MEANS THE CITY OF HU IS, IS IN THE HANDS OF TECH STOCK OF DOING THAT CONNECTION WITH THE INTERSECTION BETWEEN EMORY, EMORY CROSSING BOULEVARD TO 60 60 NORTH.
SO AGAIN, REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS JUST WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE THINGS AND TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND FLOWING THROUGH THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, I'M KNOW, I'M SURE HU PARK IS NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS THESE TYPE OF ISSUES, BUT I SAW THIS AS A CONCERN.
IT WAS AGENDA ITEM AND I'M JUST AGAIN REPRESENTING HEATHER CLARK AND CITIZEN HOOD ON THAT IT.
ALL RIGHT, WELL THANK YOU SIR.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT I WILL OPEN UP 5.22 DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.
WOULD YOU LIKE STAFF TO PRESENT REAL QUICK? YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD
WE'RE PAYING FOR IT WITH, UM, THIS FINAL PLOT, THE PROPOSED FINAL PLOT.
IT'S GONNA CONSIST OF BOTH SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY.
THE PROPOSED PLOT'S GONNA CONSIST OF SETTING FOR SINGLE FAMILY UNITS.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOUR CONDOMINIUM LOTS, WHICH WOULD TURN INTO ABOUT 65 UNITS OF THE CONDOS.
UM, SOME ALLEY LOTS LANDSCAPE, OPEN SPACE, UH, DRAINAGE LOT FOR A TOTAL OF 83 LOTS.
UH, THIS PLAT IS A PART OF THE ER CROSSING PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT OR RSI.
UM, IT WAS A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2018.
UM, TO THE NORTH YOU'RE LOOKING AT ETJ WITH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND IT'S VACANT TO THE EAST.
IT'S SF ONE, WHICH WOULD BE MUSTANG CREEK TO THE SOUTH, AGAIN, SF ONE BEING HU PARK, AND THEN TO THE WEST.
IT'S THIS PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT HERE IS PHASE FIVE OF EMORY CROSSING.
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SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, STAFF DID REVIEW TO ENSURE THAT NOT ONLY STATE LAW WAS MET, BUT OF COURSE THE UDC AND THE, THAT PUD UH, STAFF DID DETERMINE THAT.UM, ALL OF THE, UM, EVERYTHING ENFORCED, UM, DID MEET, SO ALL THE APPLICABLE RULES WERE MET.
UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE APPLICANT WAIVED THE SHOCK CLOCK SO THAT, UM, TWO 12.009 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, UM, DOESN'T APPLY TO HERE.
UM, SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PLAT WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE HU SIGNATURE BLOCKS ARE CORRECTED.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE P AND Z BEING THE CURRENT CHAIR AND THEN, UM, FOR CITY STAFF, CURRENT STAFF.
NOW I'LL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I DO HAVE ONE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A TYPO.
UH, YOUR BACKGROUND INFORMATION LISTS? UH, TWO ALLEY LOTS.
ONE LANDSCAPE LOT ONE PARK, LOT ONE PRIVATE, PRIVATE DRAINAGE LOT.
MM-HMM
A LANDSCAPE LOT AND ONE OF THE OPEN LOTS.
THEY, I'M JUST THE, THE WORDS DON'T MATCH UP.
YEAH, THERE'S GONNA BE ONE LAND THEY CALL ONE LANDSCAPE LOT AND ONE PARK LOT.
AND THOSE ARE THE OPEN SPACE? THAT WOULD BE THE OPEN SPACE BOX? CORRECT.
JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO IS IT, IS THIS, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS SO I APOLOGIZE.
SO MY CONCERN, I KNOW THE UDC IS UP FOR, UH, IN COUNCIL, UH, OR IN SUBCOMMITTEE RIGHT NOW.
GARAGES AND PARKING IS MY CONCERN HERE BECAUSE IT IS VERY DENSE.
THE ROADS ARE OBVIOUSLY PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE TWO LANE OR BE ABLE TO PARK ON BOTH SIDES.
UM, IS THERE A WAY THAT I THINK GARAGES WERE A, AN ISSUE WHERE A LOT OF TRUCKS PROBABLY CAN'T PARK IN THE GARAGE AND THEY USUALLY STICK OUT IN THE ALLEYS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE PLAN TO ADDRESS OR HOPEFULLY BEING USED IN THE FUTURE UDC? WELL I THINK WE'RE, IT'S BEING LOOKED AT IN THE FUTURE UDC WITH THIS ONE.
IT'S PART OF A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2018, SO LIKE ALMOST 10 YEARS AGO.
SO, UM, UNFORTUNATELY, I MEAN WE CAN'T APPLY THAT TO THIS.
WE'D HAVE TO STICK WITH WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THAT PED.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, I MEAN IT IS A CONCERN, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THINGS ARE BEING LOOKED AT WITH THE NEW UDC.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE ONCE ADOPTED AND THEN ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, AFTER THAT, BECAUSE MY, ESPECIALLY WITH TRAFFIC 'CAUSE SURE YOU HAVE BIG TWO BIG THOROUGH FARES THROUGH 1660 AND EDGE SCHMIDT.
SO A LOT OF THE TIME PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY SKIP GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN.
IS THAT, IS THAT BEING LOOKED AT HERE? LIKE ANY TRAFFIC THOROUGHFARE THROUGH HERE? ANY TR KIND OF TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY OR? SO THAT MIC, UM, SO I DON'T THINK I RECOGNIZE MYSELF AS PREVIOUSLY.
SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, MATT RECTOR, CITY ENGINEER SLASH EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, SO THEY ORIGINALLY HAD DONE A TIA, THERE WAS A REVISED AGREEMENT THAT WAS DONE WITH CITY COUNCIL IN 2020, I BELIEVE, WHERE IT REQUIRED THEM TO UPDATE THEIR TIA.
THEY JUST FINISHED THAT UPDATE OF THEIR TIA IN LIKE 24 I BELIEVE.
AND SO THE TIA HAS DONE, WE KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS ARE.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY LIKE THE INTERNAL ROADS, UM, THE, IT'S ALL BEST GUESS TYPE STUFF.
AND THE EXTERNAL ROADS ONE 19, THE CONNECTION'S ALREADY THERE.
THEY'RE WORKING WITH TXDOT TO DO THE CONNECTION AT 1660.
UH, LIKE I TOLD COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SAY IT'S TDOT'S ROAD.
IF THEY SAY GO, THEN THEY CAN GO AND WE, WE CAN VOICE OUR CONCERNS.
BUT WHERE ARE THEY AT WITH TXDOT ON IT? UM, SO I KNOW THEY REACHED OUT TO
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TXDOT.THEY HAD ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE CITY 'CAUSE PART OF THAT REVISED AGREEMENT FROM 2020 HAD LANGUAGE IN IT THAT THEY INTERPRETED AS SAYING THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THE CONNECTION TO 1660, THAT THEY COULD USE THEIR COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE FROM THEIR PID.
UM, CITY COUNCIL DIDN'T AGREE WITH THEIR INTERPRETATION AND VOTED, I THINK IT WAS TWO MEETINGS AGO, TO NOT LET THEM USE THEIR COMMUNITY IMPACT FEE FUNDS FOR THIS IMPROVEMENT.
AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE EXACTLY.
I KNOW THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED THE CONVERSATIONS, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S A AB CONVERSATION AND SO I'M SEEING MY WAY TO TRY TO BUTT MY NOSE INTO IT.
BUT, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE TO COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS'S, UH, CONCERNS.
SO HALSEY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CONNECTED IN PHASE FOUR.
I BELIEVE IT'S STILL IN CONSTRUCTION IF IT'S NOT ALREADY PAVED AND, AND READY TO CONNECT.
DUNHILL IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE CONNECTED UNTIL PHASE SEVEN.
UM, AND SO POTENTIALLY THAT WILL CREATE SOME FLOW THROUGH FROM HU PARK INTO EMORY CROSSING TO TRY TO GET UP TO 1660 OR OVER TO EDGE SCHMIDT.
AND SO, UH, BUT THE T-I-T-I-A REALLY DOESN'T DIG INTO WHAT WE THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA DO RIGHT FROM STUBS.
THEY GO OUT INTO COUNTS WHERE WE'RE CONNECTING TO EXISTING ROADS PRETTY MUCH AS THE WAY WE DO THIS.
AND THEN THEY GROW THOSE NUMBERS BASED ON OUR GROWTH RATE THAT WE NEGOTIATE BETWEEN US, TXDOT AND THEM.
AND THEN, UH, FROM THERE THEY DETERMINE WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE TO SPECIFIC INTERSECTIONS WITHIN A D CERTAIN RADIUS OF THEIR PROJECT.
AND SO THEN WE'D SAY, OKAY, BASED ON THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE WHATEVER IMPROVEMENTS TO THOSE INTERSECTIONS TO MITIGATE FOR THE ADDITIONAL LOAD THAT YOU'RE PUTTING ON EXISTING ROADS.
I MEAN, COULD MAN, I THINK IT DOES.
UM, 'CAUSE MY, MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THIS IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF PARKING ON THE STREET AND WE'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF CALLS OF PEOPLE PARKING IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE.
SO THE PARKING ON THE STREET THING A AS THE PLANNING MANAGER WAS SAYING, THAT'S, THAT'S IN THE, THE PUD.
AND SO, UM, ONE THING THAT I WILL HIGHLY, HIGHLY, HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THIS BODY TO CONSIDER IS WHEN PUDS COME BEFORE YOU, YOU, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND NOT ONLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE FROM TODAY'S PERSPECTIVE, BUT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PUD IS GOING TO IMPACT POTENTIALLY A DECADE DOWN THE ROAD.
AND SO THE NICE THING, THE THE THING THAT I KEEP TELLING STAFF ABOUT DOING A PUD IS THE UDC IS OUT THE WINDOW.
WE CAN ASK FOR, THEY CAN ASK FOR WHATEVER THEY WANT AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY MOST DEVELOPERS WANT TO DO THE PUD.
BUT HERE'S THE THING, THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT COIN IS WE CAN ASK FOR, FOR WHAT WE WANT AS WELL.
AND SO WHEN YOU GUYS SEE PUDS COMING FORWARD, THAT'S YOUR CHANCE TO NOT BE HELD TO THE UDC, BUT TO ASK FOR WHAT YOU WANT FOR THE FUTURE OF HUDA MM-HMM
AND YOU CAN KIND OF PUSH BACK ON THESE DEVELOPERS AND SAY, WELL, WE WANT THIS THING, WE WANT LONGER PARKING SPACES, WE WANT LONGER DRIVEWAYS, WE WANT WHATEVER THE CASE IS THAT 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT BOUND TO THE UDC ANYMORE.
AND SOME OF THAT WAS DONE, I WAS PART OF IT WHEN THIS WAS INITIALLY PRELIMINARY PLATTED YEARS AGO.
UH, THAT'S WHY THEY DIDN'T CONNECT TO 1660 IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, ET CETERA.
UM, KIND OF TO, UH, COMMISSIONER DE LEON LEON'S POINT, I'M SEEING THAT THESE INTERNAL STREETS HAVE A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF AWAY.
UH, CAN YOU ANSWER WHAT'S THE ENGINEERING FOR THE WIDTH OF ON-STREET PARKING GENERALLY? SO HOW MUCH OF THAT 50 FOOT RIGHT OF AWAY IS GETTING EATEN UP? SO IS EIGHT FEET WIDE? IS IT 10 FEET WIDE? IF, WELL, SO IF, I MEAN, SO THERE'S TWO THINGS TO CONSIDER THERE.
YOU HAVE YOUR 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH TYPICALLY IS PROBABLY GONNA MEAN IT'S A STANDARD RESIDENTIAL ROADWAY, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU HAVE FIVE FEET OF SIDEWALK ON EACH SIDE.
YOU HAVE THREE FOOT OF TREE LAWN ON EACH SIDE.
SO THAT'S 16 FEET OF YOUR RIGHT OF WAY GONE ALREADY.
THEN YOU HAVE A FOOT OF CURBS.
SO NOW THAT'S 17 FEET OF YOUR MM-HMM
AND SO IF YOU ACCOUNT FOR A FOOT OR TWO ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE SIDEWALKS, YOU'RE DOWN TO LIKE 36 ISH FEET.
AND SO IF THE ROAD IS AT LEAST 32 FEET WIDE, THEY CAN HAVE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD PER THE FIRE CODE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE GOT A BIG ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY TO HAVE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES PER THE FIRE CODE.
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SURE OF THE WIDTH OF THE SPOTS.YEAH, I I HAVE WOULD IT, WOULD IT REDUCE IT DOWN TO AN 11 FOOT ROAD AND THEN IT'S NO GOOD.
AND THEN WE HAVE A SITUATION LIKE WE DO CURRENTLY IN EMORY FARMS. I HAVEN'T SEEN, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE THEIR ROAD PLANS RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT ROAD WIDTHS THEY'RE PROPOSING, BUT BASED ON A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, I WOULD ASSUME THEY'RE GONNA DO A STANDARD RESIDENTIAL TYPE.
ARE THESE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE DRIVES? THE, SO THE, THESE WOULD BE THE ALLEYS I'M NOT SURE ABOUT.
WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK, BUT THE ROADS ARE ALL GONNA BE PUBLIC STREETS.
LOOK, MY QUESTION WAS GONNA BE ABOUT THE ALLEYS.
THEY'RE 20 FOOT WIDE, IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT I'M READING? UM, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO READ, BUT YES, YES, YES.
ARE THEY GONNA BE ONE WAY? CAN TWO CARS GET IN IN AN ALLEY 20 FOOT WIDE ALLEY? CAN THEY PASS? DO YOU WANT THE TECHNICAL ANSWER OR DO YOU WANT THE REAL ANSWER? I WANT THE REAL ANSWER.
SO, UM, IN THEORY, YES, TWO ROAD, TWO CARS CAN FIT IN 20 FEET OF ROADWAY.
'CAUSE A 10 FOOT LANE AND A 10 FOOT LANE IS SUFFICIENT FOR CARS TO PASS EACH OTHER.
UM, IN PRACTICE, VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE COMFORTABLE DRIVING IN A 10 FOOT LANE, AND SO THEY'RE GONNA TAKE UP MORE OF THE ROADWAY.
AND SO THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO PULL OVER, LET THE OTHER PERSON PASS.
AND THAT'S ASSUMING THAT YOU DON'T PUT TRASH CANS OR ANY TYPE OTHER TYPE OF OBSTRUCTION OUT THERE IN THE ALLEY THAT'S GONNA EITHER EVEN FURTHER ENCROACH ON THAT 20 FEET.
WELL, MY, MY, MY FEAR IS, IS WHEN ANYTIME YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ALLEYS IS, UM, WHAT'S OVER IN, UM, BROOKLYN, BROOKLYN'S, BROOKLYN'S MM-HMM
UM, I THINK THAT WAS A BIG MISTAKE.
UH, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN, IF THEY'RE ONLY GONNA BE 20 FOOT, UM, AND LIKE YOU SAID, IF THEY'RE GONNA PUT TRASH CANS THERE AND EVERYTHING, YOU GOT A DUMP, UH, I'M SORRY, THE TRASH TRUCK COMING DOWN.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN REQUIRE THESE ALLEYS TO BE ONE WAY? UM, JOHN, DO YOU KNOW IF WE CAN, WE REQUIRE THAT, WE CAN REQUIRE IT, WE CAN REQUEST IT.
I HAVE TO LOOK TO SEE IF WE CAN REQUIRE IT.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE BEAUTY OF ENGINEERING, RIGHT.
I DON'T HAVE TO LIVE IN THAT WORLD.
I GET PROFESSIONAL DISCRETION.
I GET NEGOTIATIONS, I GET ANALYSIS, I GET A LOT OF THINGS THAT HELP ME MAKE DECISIONS.
AND SO WE CAN ASK THEM TO RUN ANALYSIS TO SAY WHAT CAN FIT DOWN THESE ALLEYS? AND IF IT'S TOO NARROW BASED ON THEIR ANALYSIS, THEN WE CAN ARGUE, WELL THEN YOU NEED TO RESTRICT 'EM TO ONE-WAY TRAFFIC.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO DURING THE ENGINEERING PART, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO THIS EARLY VERSUS LOOKING AT A PLAT.
AND THAT, HONESTLY, THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD.
IS THESE 20 FOOT ALLEYS, IS THAT GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT FOR TRASH AND POTENTIALLY FIRE? UM, IF THERE'S NO PARKING IN THE ALLEY, IF THERE'S NO PARKING AND NO OBSTRUCTIONS, THEN YES, I I WOULD, MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT FIRE IS GOING TO USE THE STREETS AND NOT THE ALLEYS.
THAT WOULD BE MY ASSUMPTION AS WELL.
BUT, UH, I DO KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD ISSUES IN THE BROOKLYNS WITH GARBAGE TRUCKS EVEN BEING ABLE TO MAKE THE TURNS ONTO THE ALLEYS.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE'RE JUSTIFIED IN SAYING, ALL RIGHT, GIVE US THE ANALYSIS.
SHOW US HOW GARBAGE TRUCKS ARE GONNA MANEUVER, HOW THEY'RE GONNA GET UP AND DOWN THESE ALLEYS, THAT KIND OF THING.
AND THEN WHEN THEY SHOW US AND THAT IT'S BARELY FITTING, THEN WE ARE JUSTIFIED IN ASKING FOR THEM TO BE RESTRICTED IN ONE WAY.
SO TO THAT END, UH, I SEE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED.
I THINK IT'S A HAMMERHEAD INTERSECTION IN LOT NINE WHERE THE CONDOS ARE ON THE EAST SIDE.
YOU'VE GOT A HAMMERHEAD ALLEY ENTRANCE IT LOOKS LIKE.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO UH, LOT SEVEN AND EIGHT, THAT ONE DOES NOT HAVE IT.
AND I'M JUST THINKING, MAN, THAT'S GONNA BE A, A REALLY, REALLY NASTY TURN FOR A TRASH TRUCK.
LOT 9 1 7, THE, THE SOUTH ONE I, I'M SORRY, UH, LOT 10 AND 11 ARE BLOCK O ONE BLOCK UP AND THEN LOT SEVEN AND EIGHT ARE THE BOTTOM BLOCK
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AND BLOCK O, RIGHT? MM-HMMSEE HOW, SEE SEE HOW THIS ONE'S YEP.
JUST THE DEADHEAD AND THAT ONE'S GOT THE YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN FIX AND DESIGN AND, AND TELL 'EM THAT THEY NEED TO ADD THE RADIUS.
UH, I'M JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, A 30 FOOT LONG RECYCLING OR TRASH TRUCK IS GONNA HAVE A HELL OF A TIME MAKING THAT CORNER.
SO IF WE NEED TO USE THEIR PLAN AS JUSTIFICATION FOR THEM LOOKING AT MAKING THEM ONE WAY, I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
YOU KNOW, AND IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, WE'LL HAMMERHEAD THAT AND MAKE IT OKAY, SO BE IT.
BUT WE SHOULD AT LEAST MY OPINION SAY, HEY, THIS THIS ALLEY ON BLOCK N IS IT THE BOTTOM ONE THAT'S GONNA BE PROBLEMATIC? UH, WELL, I I THINK IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE, YOU NEED TO MAKE BOTH OF 'EM ONE WAY OR AGREE, NONE OF THEM AGREED.
YOU KNOW, EITHER, EITHER MAKE THAT OR THEY'RE NOT MAKE THAT, MAKE THAT ONE.
SO THEY'RE BOTH TWO WAY OR MAKE 'EM BOTH ONE WAY, EITHER WAY.
I JUST, I JUST ONE OR THE OTHER.
I DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME ANOTHER BROOKSIDE.
I MEAN, RICK AND I WERE INVOLVED IN THAT AND WE KNOW WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
SO, UM, UH, ANY OTHER, BEFORE I JUMP IN ON ANOTHER COUPLE COMMENTS? SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE LOOK AT COMMON SPACES, UM, OR SHARED, IT'S CALLED, IS IT COMMON SPACE? YEAH.
IS IT THE COLLECTIVE EMORY CROSSING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE 20%, UH, DEDICATED TO, TO A COMMON SPACE? I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT.
BECAUSE IT, RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT, BUT 'CAUSE IT'S LIKE LESS THAN 10%.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT THERE WAS A WAY TO CHECK THAT.
MATT, DID I HEAR, DID, DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT IT'S PROJECTED THAT THIS IS TO BE BUILT OUT BY 27 TO ANSWER? NO, I WAS SAYING THAT, UM, THE TWO ROADS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS BROUGHT UP MM-HMM
AND HALSEY WAS PART BECAUSE HE WAS ASKING OF WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE GONNA HAPPEN.
SO HALSEY WAS PART OF PHASE FOUR, WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
UH, DUNHILL IS PART OF PHASE SEVEN, WHICH IS WHY I THINK YOU HEARD THE SEVEN.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GONNA GET TO PHASE SEVEN.
I MEAN, WE'RE WORKING ON PHASE FIVE RIGHT NOW, SO THEORY IS TWO PHASE AWAY, HOWEVER QUICKLY THEY MOVE.
UM, SO MY QUESTION IS IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST OF PHASE FIVE, THAT'S PHASE SIX AND THEN TO THE SOUTH IS PHASE SEVEN THAT CONNECTS, CONNECTS INTO DUNHILL.
AND PHASE SIX, THEY'RE GONNA LAY THE STREETS DOWN BEFORE THEY PUT ANY, BEFORE THEY BUILD ANY VERTICAL, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S GOING TO OPEN THEM UP ONTO 1660 D UH, SO THE EMORY CROSSING CONNECTION IS ACTUALLY PART OF PHASE FOUR, BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION FROM TXDOT TO ACTUALLY CONNECT YET.
BUT ONE, ONCE PHASE SIX STREETS GO IN AND THEY START GOING VERTICAL, I THINK TDOT'S HAND IS GOING TO BE FORCED AT THAT POINT.
HAS TEXTILE APPROVED THE DRIVE LOCATIONS FOR THOSE ROADS? FOR THE EMORY CROSSING BOULEVARD? MM-HMM
THOSE TWO ROADS THAT ARE MM-HMM
LIKE SHOWN AS PRELIMINARY HERE.
TEXTILE KNOWS WHERE IT'S GONNA BE.
IF, IF YOU DRIVE OUT THERE TODAY, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE ROAD STOPS.
IT STOPS RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF TOUT RIGHT AWAY.
UM, AND SO THEY KNOW WHERE IT'S GONNA BE.
THE QUESTION IS NOT A MATTER OF LOCATION, IT'S A MATTER OF PERMISSION AND GETTING PERMITTING RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN THEM AND TOUT IS TO PUT A
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FULL SIGNAL AT THE INTERSECTION OF EMORY CROSSING AND 1660 AND I THINK IT'S LA VACA ON THE OTHER SIDE.I I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT BECAUSE, AND THEN IT, THEN IT BECOMES A FOUR LEGGED INTERSECTION.
TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND THE WHOLE THING.
AND UM, THAT'S WHERE I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY'RE AT IN THAT PROCESS.
I KNOW THAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR THE CITY TO HELP GIVE THEM SOME OF THE FUNDS FOR THAT FROM THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE FUND, BUT COUNCIL SAID NO.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY ARE IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS NOW, BUT THE LOCATION IS PRETTY WELL SET.
I, THAT'S ALL SO PROVIDED THAT TXDOT BLESSES OFF ON WHATEVER SORT OF INTERSECTION THAT'S GOING TO BE, THEN I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S GOING TO BE COMPLETED IN PHASE SIX.
NOW ONCE THAT'S COMPLETED, THERE WILL BE LESS TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH HUDDLE PARK.
PROBABLY ON DUNHILL AND I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE? HALSEY, HALSEY.
SO PHASE SEVEN IS GOING IN AFTER PHASE SIX IN ALL LIKELIHOOD.
SO THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH DUNHILL INTO HU PARK TO A NONS SIGNALED LIGHT AS OPPOSED TO GOING NORTH THREE BLOCKS TO A SIGNAL.
SO I'M THINKING WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO WORRY ABOUT DUNHILL A WHOLE LOT AT THIS TIME.
BUT HALSEY CAN WE DO A, JUST A KIND OF ROAD CLOSED BARRIER RIGHT THERE.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A CONCRETE BARRIER.
IT CAN BE A ROAD CLOSED UNTIL THAT, UNTIL THE UH, INTERSECTION ON 1660 IS AT LEAST DESIGNED OR APPROVED.
THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TEMPORARY FLOW THROUGH FROM PHASE FOUR INTO HU PARK THAT COULD LAST A FEW MONTHS.
COULD THEY GET A CONSTRUCTION ACCESS DRIVE FROM TEXDOT OFF 1660? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THAT'S NOT SHUT OFF.
LIKE YOU SAID, ALL THAT TRAFFIC'S GONNA GO THROUGH WELL, RIGHT.
THE OTHER WAY FOR CONSTRUCTION.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S A GAP IN THE PAVEMENT BETWEEN, SO THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD HAVE TO BE BUILT PLUS THEN WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ON 1660, WHICH HONESTLY CAN'T HANDLE IT.
I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN OFF TRACK.
THIS IS FOR THE FINAL PLOT FOR THIS PHASE WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE NEXT PHASE.
I'M, BUT THAT WAS A CONCERN AS TO HOW THE TRAFFIC FLOWED FROM THIS ONE.
I, I AGREE WITH, WITH YOU THAT YEAH, WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD A LITTLE BIT AND NOT EXACTLY AT THIS PLAT, BUT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TRAFFIC GETS OUT OF THIS PARTICULAR PHASE, I THINK IS IS SO YOU'RE WANTING, YOU'RE WANTING TO BLOCK WHICH ROAD? THIS ONE HALSEY RIGHT HERE.
PUT BLOCK, UH, BARRICADE HERE.
JUST, JUST A SIMPLE CONSTRUCTION BARRICADE RIGHT THERE UNTIL THE 1660 EMORY CROSSING IS APPROVED.
SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT BENCHMARK 1 0 6, YOU'RE WANTING TO PUT UP A JUST YEAH.
UNTIL THEY GET TEMPORARY BLOCKS, UNTIL THEY GET INTO X 1660 AND THEN TAKE OKAY.
I I DIDN'T, I I WAS LIKE, I WASN'T FOLLOWING WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S WITHOUT THE STREETS BEING NAMED OR IT'S HARD TO FOLLOW.
BUT THAT WAY WE'VE GOT, WE DON'T HAVE TRAFFIC FROM HERE TRYING TO GO THROUGH HUDDLE PARK ADDING TO, TO THAT ISSUE.
THEY'RE FLOWING ON EMORY CROSSINGS ROADS THAT THEY BUILT AS WE DIRECTED THEM TO AND COMING OUT SCHMIDT, THERE IS, THERE IS TURN LANES ON EDGE SCHMIDT FOR DERRICK.
BECAUSE THAT CORNER OF WHERE THEY'RE COMING OUT OF, UH, HUDDLE PARK, THAT'S NONS SIGNALED.
RIGHT? THAT'S NONS SIGNALED THE SOUTH ONE IS SIGNAL.
THE SOUTH ONE IS YEAH, THE SOUTH ONE IS SIGNALED THE NORTH ONE I DON'T THINK IS OKAY, JIM, JIM IS THE NORTH ONE SIGNAL? YES SIR.
SO IF WE CAN FUNNEL THE TRAFFIC AND OPEN THAT HALSEY UP TO ALLOW THEM OUT FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS UNTIL 1660 ACCESSES COMPLETED, I THINK THAT SOLVES A
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LOT OF THE PROBLEMS. IT'S NOT A PERFECT SOLUTION.BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE, THE PAIN THAT THE CITY WENT THROUGH WITH DURANGO FARMS AND BLOCKING OFF COMPLETELY TO ACCESS ROADS TO IT.
THIS AT LEAST ALLOWS SOME USE OF IT.
SO WHAT THIS'S GONNA END UP DOING IS PUTTING ALL THE TRAFFIC, MAKING THEM GO BACK UP TO ED SMITH.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BE PUTTING MORE TRAFFIC OUT ONTO ED SMITH THEORETICALLY.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
I KIND OF LIKE THE IDEA, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE TO OUR, THE CITY'S ADVANTAGE IS TO MAYBE PUT OUT A SURVEY AND ASK THE PEOPLE HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT HAVING THAT ROADBLOCK.
IS THAT ROAD EVEN THERE? ALL HE DOES CONNECT THROUGH THERE.
NOW STU IS THERE FROM PU PARK, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING COMING DOWN YET WHERE IT SAYS BM 1 0 6 ON MY LITTLE RIGHT.
THAT, THAT'S WHERE THE STU THAT'S WHERE THE STUB ENDS.
SO, SO THERE'S NO WAY TO GET FROM THE BM 1 0 6 TO PUDDLE PARK.
THIS PARK, THIS PARK RIGHT FROM HERE.
THERE IS NO WAY TO DO THAT ONCE, JUST DON'T, JUST DON'T APPROVE THE, THE EXTENSION OF THE ROAD.
BUT IT'S PHASE FOUR, WHICH IS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
PHASE FOUR HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
SO IF WE BLOCK THAT STUB UNTIL TEMPORARILY, UNTIL WE GET 1660 OPENED UP.
THAT THAT'S, IT'S A MATTER OF ASKING THE DEVELOPER TO BLOCK IT.
WELL, AND, AND IT'S ALSO THE DEVELOPER THEN SENT GETTING A SENSE OF URGENCY TO WORK WITH TECH DOT WELL TO GET I UNDERSTAND THAT TOO.
TO GET THE 1660 DONE, YOU KNOW, LOOK, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE HALSEY OPEN UNTIL YOU GET SOMETHING APPROVED FROM TDOT ON THAT INTERSECTION.
SO GET ON IT AND ONCE THAT APPROVAL COMES IN, THEN THE CITY GOES IN, THROWS THOSE, THOSE SIMPLE BARRIERS ON THE BACK OF A TRUCK AND AWAY THEY GO.
SOUNDS LIKE A CHEAP WAY TO DO IT.
IT IT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
IT'S JUST, IT, IT'S NOT LIKE THOSE BARRIERS COST A TON OF MONEY AND WE GET TO REUSE 'EM.
WE MIGHT HAVE SOME SOMEWHERE
BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE HOW LONG THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE LIKE THAT.
NO, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE HOW LONG THOSE BARRIERS WOULD STAY UP BECAUSE IT'S CONDITIONED ON THEM OPENING UP ANOTHER ROAD OR AT LEAST GETTING APPROVAL TO OPEN UP ANOTHER ROAD.
OR PUTTING, YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE THAT PART TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WHEN THEY SUBMIT CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR REVIEW.
THAT CAN BE A COMMENT FOR THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO PUT IN PLACE TO HAVE THE BARRIER THERE UNTIL EVERYTHING'S DONE.
UH, FOR RIGHT NOW, WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT REVIEWING THE FINAL PLAT AS IT IS PRESENTED TO US CURRENTLY.
AND FROM WHERE I'M SEEING IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
MY, MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THE FINAL PLAT FOR PHASE FIVE IS THE ALLEYS AND, YOU KNOW, MAKING THEM EITHER ONE WAY OR ACCESSIBLE TWO WAY.
AND AGAIN, THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED DURING CONSTRUCTION.
UH, PLAN WHEN THEY'RE SUBMITTED.
FOUR TO DEVELOPER, NO, PHASE FOUR IS, YEAH.
CONSTRUCTION PLANS HAVE NOT BEEN SUBMITTED FOR PHASE FIVE, CORRECT? WELL, UH, I DON'T, I KNOW THEY HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE STARTED SUBMITTING.
SO THAT'S FOR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO PUT IN PLACE THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
AND I THINK, I MEAN ALL THOSE ARE VALID POINTS.
I TOTALLY UN UNDERSTAND WHAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING, BUT CHANGE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PLAN AS IT IS PRESENTED.
IT'S OUTTA THE SCOPE OF THIS RIGHT NOW.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS THIS.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE, UM, THERE'S SOME, UH, LOTS THAT ARE UNDER THE 2,500 SQUARE FEET REQUIREMENT.
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THERE LOOK LIKE THERE ARE ABOUT, THERE'S A COUPLE THAT INCLUDE 2000 SQUARE FEET.YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TOWN HOMES? YES.
IS THAT WHAT THOSE ARE? OH, THE CONDOS.
THERE WERE, THERE WERE A COUPLE IN LOT IN OR BLOCK N AND O THAT ARE UNDER THE 2,500.
YEAH, THOSE, THOSE ARE ALL CONDOS.
WHERE THE ALLEYS ARE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE I THINK ABOUT.
OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ALONG HERE? YEAH, THERE'S SOME THAT ARE, YEAH.
YEAH, THAT WAS MY, AND THEN, UH, DRAINAGE IS ALL FIGURED OUT THROUGH HERE.
'CAUSE I KNOW THIS WOULDN'T AFFECT, UH, WHERE HE LIVES.
I FORGET, BUT PARK HU PARK, UM, YEAH.
SO THEY, THEY'VE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GET A FULL DRAINAGE ANALYSIS DONE.
THEY HAVE DETENTION PONDS GOING IN.
UH, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE MITIGATING ALL OF THEIR RUNOFFS SO THAT IT DOES NOT EXCEED EXISTING CONDITIONS.
I WAS, I JUST WANNA COVER ALL MY BASES.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, DISCUSSIONS ON THIS? ALL RIGHT.
I SECOND, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION APPROVAL ON THE FINAL PLAT FOR PHASE FIVE AS IT IS PRESENTED.
WERE THERE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE STAFF? UH, YES, THERE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF.
THEY'RE, UH, THEY SHOULD BE IN THE REPORT, CHANGING THE SIGN.
SO YOU'RE GONNA MAKE YOUR MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT IT WAS AS PRESENTED.
I GUESS THAT IS, DIDN'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO READING.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION, COMMENTS ON THE MOTION? UM, I HAVE THE ONE QUESTION REGARDING, UH, THE ENGINEERING PORTION OF THAT.
HOW WOULD WE INCORPORATE OUR COMMENTS INTO, NUMBER ONE, THE CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING AND NUMBER TWO, THE ENGINEERING OF 1660.
HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT THAT SINCE IT'S NOT GERMANE TO, UH, PHASE FIVE? I MEAN, DO YOU WANT TO, I DON'T KNOW, TAKE NOTES OR
YOU COULD SHOOT HIM AN EMAIL, SO IF HE REMEMBERS, I THINK THAT YOU GUYS COULD JUST DIRECTION OR A RECOMMENDATION.
YEAH, LIKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT STAFF TAKE THESE OTHER THINGS INTO ACCOUNT THAT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM YOU APPROVING THE PLAT, BUT IT'S JUST YOU GUYS SAYING WE'VE GOT THESE OTHER CONCERNS RELATED TO THIS ITEM.
WE WANT STAFF TO TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION AND WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER.
SO I, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST I I WILL, I WILL DO THAT.
UH, I CAN'T DO A MOTION ON THAT ACTUALLY, BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
UH, WE'LL JUST MAKE A FOOT NOTE THAT WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THEY LOOK AT THE REQUEST TO JUST, WE'LL ADD IT TO THE MINUTES.
UH, ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH ADDING A REQUEST FOR ENGINEERING TO LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS? NO, I'M, I DO WITH, FINALLY I'M WITH IT.
YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR ENGINEERING TO LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC AS DISCUSSED HERE TONIGHT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
NEXT IS ITEM SIX, PLANNING MANAGER REPORT.
WELL, IF PLANNING MANAGER REPORT DOES NOT GIVE IT AWAY, UM, OUR DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DID RETIRE A FEW WEEKS AGO, SO IF YOU NEED PLANNING, YOU CAN REACH OUT TO MYSELF, UM, AND WE CAN GET YOU WHATEVER YOU NEED.
UM, THE NEXT MEETING IS GONNA BE NOVEMBER 4TH, AND THIS
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WAS ACTUALLY THE FIRST MEETING SINCE THE STATE LAW WENT INTO EFFECT, BUT, UM, SEPTEMBER ONE NEW STATE LAW WENT INTO EFFECT WHERE WITH OUR, UM, NOTICING, UM, FOR THE, FOR AN AGENDA.SO INSTEAD OF GIVING, GETTING IT THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE MEETING, Y'ALL ARE GONNA BE GETTING IT THE WEDNESDAY BEFORE.
SO IT WORKS OUT WHERE Y'ALL JUST HAVE A COUPLE MORE DAYS TO, TO LOOK AT IT.
UM, WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE DOING, AS WE DID ON THIS LAST ONE, IF YOU NEED ENGINEERING HERE, LET US KNOW AHEAD OF TIME THAT WE, WE CAN MAKE PLANS.
OTHERWISE, UM, WE WON'T REALLY HAVE ENGINEERING HERE, UM, UNLESS IT'S GONNA BE, UM, NECESSARY.
UH, QUESTION FOR YOU, WOULD IT BE A BURDEN TO DO A SUMMARY OF THE RELEVANT STATE LAW CHANGES? JUST A COUPLE OF, JUST A COUPLE OF BULLET POINTS OR WHATEVER THAT ARE RELEVANT TO, TO PEACE.
YEAH, I DON'T MIND GETTING SOMETHING TOGETHER WOULD WITH THE FYI.
WOULD I LIKE THAT IDEA? WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE? THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, OH YEAH.
UM, I CAN GET THAT, UM, FOR THE NEXT AND THAT, YEAH.
COULD BE A AND THAT COULD BE A HARD COPY INCLUDED WITH THE PACKET OR IT COULD BE EMAILED AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
WHY DON'T YOU JUST EMAIL IT? JUST EMAIL.
JUST A LITTLE BULLET LIST OF, HEY, HERE'S WHAT'S NEW.
SO STATE LEGISLATURE MADE THESE LAWS.
WELL THEN I GUESS WE'RE ADJOURN WITH IT BEING EIGHT TO 12.