8.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, and Area Government appointments.

[8.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, and Area Government appointments.]

REAPPOINTMENTS AND OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS AND AREA GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS.

DID JIM MORRIS HERE? THE THE THE THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION DID NOT MEET THIS WEEK.

WE HAVE ONE NEW APPLICANT FOR ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS THAT THAT BOARD IS MISSING TWO REGULAR SEATS AND THREE ALTERNATIVE SEATS. I IMPLORE EVERYONE TO TRY TO LOOK AT THAT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN SERVING THE CITY OF HUTTO OR THE SERVICES KIND OF BEHIND THE SCENES ON DEVELOPMENT.

THAT ALSO, IT COULD BE A INTO BUILDING AND STANDARDS AND THE ENGINEERING MANUALS, THE UDC PLANNING AND ZONING AS WELL AS JUST UNDERSTANDING THE THE HOW THINGS ARE WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES.

I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT. SO OTHER THAN THAT, WE HAVE NO OTHER UNLESS OTHER BOARD MEMBERS SUBCOMMITTEES WANT TO SHARE.

THANK YOU SIR. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM EIGHT TWO CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RECOMMENDATIONS OR UPDATES FROM CITY COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEES.

[8.2. Consideration and possible action regarding recommendations or updates from City Council sub-committees (i.e. HISD, CIP, UDC, Public Safety, Co-Op, ESD #3).]

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THE MAYOR PRO TEM AND I MET WITH THE ISD. MOST OF THAT CONVERSATION, I WOULD SAY REVOLVED AROUND THE BUS BARN.

YEAH, THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE CONVERSATION.

AND WE COMMUNICATED FROM THE EDC STANDPOINT. WE'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM LAND.

WE'D LIKE TO HELP IN ANY PROCESS WE CAN TO PUT IT SOUTH OF THE TRACKS, BUT IN AN AREA THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A SUBSTANTIAL INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES BY THE CITY.

I THINK THAT WAS WE DID TALK TO ABOUT THE THEIR REQUEST FOR SOME ITEMS TO BE CHANGED IN UDC, AND I BELIEVE THE CITY MANAGER HAS PASSED IT OUT TO ALL OF US.

YEAH. SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE BULK OF THE CONVERSATION.

YES, YES. AND CIP, WE CAN TAKE THAT ONE OFF. WE'RE NOT.

WE'RE NOT MEETING ANYMORE THE UDC. WE'RE GETTING A DRAFT TONIGHT AND SO WE'LL HAVE A MEETING ON THAT.

PUBLIC SAFETY HAS NOT COME BACK BEFORE US. THE CO-OP.

WE'RE STILL WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM. HAVE YOUR CUSTOMER THOMPSON.

HEARD FROM ANYBODY OVER THERE? NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT BOB'S BEEN INDISPOSED THE LAST MONTH OR SO, SO MAYBE THAT'D BE OKAY, THEN. SD THREE, IF YOU ARE.

YEAH. NO UPDATE ON SD THREE. WE'LL BE TRYING TO SET UP A MEETING SOON.

WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON FROM STAFF IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, SO.

OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE FOR THAT ITEM? YEAH. I'D LIKE TO GET A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON PUBLIC SAFETY.

WHAT ACTIONS ARE OUTSTANDING AND WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME FOR OUR ANTICIPATED TIME FRAME? I THINK THE OUTSTANDING. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

WE'RE WAITING FOR THE CONSULTANTS AND STAFF TO WITH SOME REVISIONS BECAUSE OF POPULATION AND HOW THAT TRIGGERED THROUGH THE POTENTIAL NEED FOR THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS AND OFFICE SPACE.

THOSE REVISIONS IN, IN ADDITION TO THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING.

THEY WERE GOING, OH, I THINK THEY WERE GOING TO COME UP WITH LIKE A ROUGH FLOOR PLAN OR SOMETHING. YEAH. SO MAYOR COUNCIL.

LAST WEEK, I THINK I SIGNED THE THE, THE WORK ORDER FOR THEM TO DO THE NEXT PHASE OF WORK TO BRING BACK TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO SHARE.

SO THAT WAS GOING TO INCLUDE SAMPLE FLOOR PLANS AND LIKE WHAT A BUILDING MIGHT LOOK LIKE, AMONG OTHER THINGS, BUT ALSO TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE FEEDBACK THAT THEY HAD RECEIVED FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING AND THEN THE VARIOUS STAFF MEMBERS WHO GAVE FEEDBACK.

DO WE HAVE AN ANTICIPATED SCHEDULE OR TIME FRAME? I'M SURE THERE IS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. IS IT OVER A MONTH OR LESS THAN.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YEP. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM NINE ONE PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO THE PLAN OF FINANCE BY

[9.1. Presentation, discussion, and possible action related to the plan of finance by Hilltop Securities for issuance of Series 2026 Certificates of Obligation and Series 2026 General Obligation Bonds for the Justice Center Design and Wastewater Projects. (Alberta Barrett)]

HILLTOP SECURITIES FOR ISSUANCE OF SERIES 2026, CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION IN SERIES 2026.

GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER DESIGN AND WASTEWATER PROJECTS.

THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. ALBERTA BARRETT, FINANCE DIRECTOR. FOR THE RECORD.

SO TONIGHT WE HAVE THE PLAN OF FINANCE THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED BY ANDRE WITH HILLTOP SECURITIES.

AND THIS IS FOR THE 26 CO ISSUANCE AND GEO ISSUANCE ISSUANCE.

THE GENERAL OBLIGATION ISSUANCE WILL BE FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER AT 5 MILLION.

AND THE 26 CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION ARE FOR 72.5 MILLION FOR WASTEWATER PROJECTS.

SO AT THIS TIME, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ANDRE. ANDRE, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. COUNCIL. ANDRE ADA WITH HILLTOP SECURITIES.

CITY FINANCIAL ADVISOR. AS ALBERTO MENTIONED, I'M HERE TO WALK YOU THROUGH A PLAN OF FINANCE FOR THE ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION AND GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS. AS ALBERTO MENTIONED, THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION WOULD BE TACKLING UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS, AS SHOWN IN THAT SLIDE. SO WE HAVE FOUR PROJECTS.

THE AMOUNT OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE FINANCED IS ROUGHLY $72.5 MILLION.

THE REST IS FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATION SYSTEM, WHICH IS $5 MILLION, WHICH BRINGS THE TOTAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM TO BE FINANCED WITH CEOS AND GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS TO ROUGHLY $77.5 MILLION.

AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE TWO DEBT INSTRUMENTS FOR THIS.

ON THE UTILITY SIDE, WE WOULD BE ISSUING CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION SECURED BY TAXES AND UTILITY SYSTEM REVENUES, THOUGH EXPECTED TO BE REPAID SOLELY BY UTILITY REVENUES.

WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS FOR THE COMMUNICATION SYSTEM WOULD BE SECURED ONLY BY PROPERTY TAXES, AND EXPECTED TO BE PAID BY THE DEBT SERVICE PROPERTY TAX PORTION OF YOUR OF YOUR OVERALL PROPERTY TAX RATE.

THE PLAN WOULD BE TO YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THIS PLAN RIGHT NOW AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS MAYOR OR COUNCIL MAY HAVE TONIGHT.

IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THIS PLAN, THEN AT THE SUBSEQUENT MEETING IN NOVEMBER, YOU WOULD BE ASKED TO CONSIDER A NOTICE OF INTENT FOR THE ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATES OF

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OBLIGATION. WE HAVE TO PUBLISH THAT FOR A NUMBER OF DAYS, 46 DAYS AT LEAST.

SO WE WOULD BE PUTTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER FOR EXECUTION IN MID JANUARY.

SO AT THE JANUARY 15TH MEETING IS WHEN YOU WOULD BE CONSIDERING THE ORDINANCE FOR BOTH OBLIGATIONS AND THEN CLOSING WOULD BE IN MID-FEBRUARY.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SCHEDULED FEBRUARY 11TH, BUT AROUND THAT DATE THIS BONDS COUNCIL WOULD BE TAX EXEMPT BOTH AS CEOS AND THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS.

THERE'S NO MAGIC AS TO HOW THE DEBT SERVICE IS STRUCTURED. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST LEVEL PAYMENTS THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE OBLIGATIONS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE AMORTIZING THE UTILITY SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS OVER 25 YEARS AND THE COMMUNICATION SYSTEM OVER 20 YEARS.

THE RATINGS HERE AT THE CITY ARE DOUBLE-A MINUS BY STANDARD AND POOR'S, WHICH IS A HIGH INVESTMENT GRADE BY STANDARD AND POOR'S.

AND YOU HAVE AN A1 BY MOODY'S, WHICH IS A HIGH MID INVESTMENT GRADE BY MOODY'S.

WE DON'T EXPECT ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT AS A RESULT OF THESE TWO TRANSACTIONS.

WE DO ALSO EXPECT THAT THE CITY WOULD BE QUALIFIED FOR BOND INSURANCE.

THAT HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS SINCE THE CITY HAS ISSUED BONDS HERE OR COS BOND INSURANCE IS THINK OF IT AS PMI.

SO WHEN PEOPLE GET A MORTGAGE AND YOU GET PMI BUT INSURANCE IS THE SAME CONCEPT.

SO IT WRAPS THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE BONDS. IT REDUCES YOUR INTEREST COST AND SUCH.

BOND INSURANCE IS ONLY PURCHASED IF IT MAKES SENSE TO THE CITY.

SO THE COST OF THE BOND INSURANCE HAS TO BE LESS THAN THAN THAN THE ADDITIONAL DEBT SERVICE THAT YOU WOULD PAY WITHOUT THAT.

AND I'M GOING TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THERE'S A BUNCH OF NUMBERS HERE, BUT WHAT I WANT TO WALK YOU THROUGH HERE IS THAT THE TOTAL OF THE BONDS IS EXPECTED TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 75 MILLION AND $78.9 MILLION TO FINANCE THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROGRAM, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE 0020. AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE FINANCING OF THE PROJECT, THE FINANCING COSTS THE BOND DISCOUNTS, THE INVESTMENT BANKS CHARGE TO PURCHASE THE BONDS, AS WELL AS THE BOND INSURANCE COSTS THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE.

AGAIN, TO REITERATE, THE UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS OVER 25 YEARS, THE COMMUNICATION SYSTEM OVER 20 YEARS.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE RUNNING A 4.9 AND CHANGE INTEREST RATE.

WE BELIEVE THAT IN THE END, IF THE MARKET STAYS STABLE OR IT TRENDS A LITTLE BIT DOWNWARD, THEN YOU WOULD BE PRICING THESE AT ABOUT 4.64.7.

IF YOU WERE TO PRICE TODAY. THE IMPACT ON THE ON THE ON THE DEBT SERVICE WOULD BE ROUGHLY 5 MILLION.

$5.2 MILLION ON THE UTILITY SIDE AND ABOUT $400,000 ON THE BOND SIDE.

WE RAN THIS WITH NO GROWTH ON YOUR TAXABLE ASSESSED VALUATION.

I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE, AND IF THERE WAS NO GROWTH WHATSOEVER, THEN WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT A 1.675 TAX RATE NECESSARY TO PAY FOR THIS GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND. AGAIN, ON THE CEOS, WE'RE NOT EXPECTING TO REPAY THOSE WITH PROPERTY TAXES.

SO THEY WOULD JUST BE PAID FOR BY UTILITY SYSTEM REVENUES.

AS FAR AS THE TIMING COUNCIL. SO AGAIN, IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD, THEN AT THE NOVEMBER 6TH MEETING, WE WOULD HAVE A NOTICE OF INTENT FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION. THERE IS NO NOTICE REQUIRED FOR THE BONDS.

THOSE BONDS WERE APPROVED BACK IN 2018 VIA AN ELECTION.

THERE'S A NOTICE REQUIRED FOR THAT. BUT WE DO WANT TO PRESENT A PLAN.

OF COURSE, THE NOTICE WOULD BE IF APPROVED IN NOVEMBER, WOULD BE PUBLISHED IN NOVEMBER.

AND WE LET 46 DAYS ELAPSE FROM THERE AT A MINIMUM, SO WE CAN BE IN A POSITION TO EXECUTE THE TRANSACTIONS IN JANUARY.

AND WITH THAT, MAYOR, COUNCIL MANAGER, ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU SIR. QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL.

YEAH. ONE QUESTION THAT I HAD ON THE THE UTILITY PIECE, IT WOULD BE PAID FOR, PAID BACK THROUGH THE UTILITY COLLECTIONS THAT WE HAVE THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION. PROBABLY NOT FOR YOU, BUT PROBABLY FOR STAFF. SO WE HAVE THAT FIVE YEAR PLAN OF THE UTILITY RATE INCREASE THAT STARTED THIS YEAR. AND THEN IT WAS PLANNED ON INCREASING A LITTLE BIT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

DID THAT COMPREHEND THE PLAN OF DOING THIS OR DID THAT? NOT IT. COUNCIL MEMBER JAMES OR CITY MANAGER, FOR THE RECORD? YES. OUR PROJECTED FUTURE DEBT ISSUANCES ARE A PART OF THE RATE PART OF THAT THAT RATE KIND OF ANTICIPATION PLAN.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

RIGHT IN THE REQUESTED ACTION IS TO DO WHAT AGAIN? SO TONIGHT IT'S JUST A PRESENTATION OF THE PLAN OF FINANCE.

SO NEXT COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 6TH OF NOVEMBER WILL BRING BACK THE NOTICE OF INTENT TO ISSUE.

AND THEN AFTER THAT IN JANUARY IS WHEN YOU'LL VOTE TO APPROVE THE ISSUANCE.

OKAY? OKAY. CORRECT. MAYOR. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, DID DID WE CLARIFY THAT THE 5 MILLION FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER IS EFFECTIVELY FOR DESIGN? THAT IS CORRECT. HOWEVER, THE 18 G.O. ISSUANCE STATES FOR COMMUNICATION.

WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE CHECKED WITH BART FOWLER, OUR BOND COUNSEL.

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HE DOES AGREE THAT WE CAN PROCEED WITH USING THE GEOS, EVEN THOUGH IT STATES FOR COMMUNICATIONS, EVEN THOUGH WE POSSIBLY MAY NOT HAVE COMMUNICATIONS IN THIS FIRST PHASE.

BUT I WILL BRING HIM PROBABLY TO THE NEXT MEETING TO GO INTO DEPTH AND DISCUSS THAT WITH WITH THE COUNCIL.

OKAY. AND I ASSUME THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE 5 MILLION IS FOR COMMUNICATIONS.

YOU STILL HAVE TO DESIGN THE BUILDING. THAT'S CORRECT. IS THIS THE DESIGN? AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO INTO IT, WHICH WE I THINK WE'RE PLANNING ON TO HAVE A BUILDING THAT WAS DESIGNED AND READY TO GO FOR WHENEVER IT CAME TIME TO PUT THE EQUIPMENT IN.

YES. SO YES, TO THIS KIND OF ALLOWS ME TO TIE BACK IN THE QUESTION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS ASKED ABOUT.

SO THE NEXT PHASE OF THE DESIGN GROUP, WORK GROUP THERE SHOULD BE A MEETING IN NOVEMBER WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND THEY SHOULD BE BRINGING FLOOR PLANS OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

YOU KNOW, BASICALLY AT THAT MEETING THERE, THEIR CONTRACT IS FOR THEM TO HAVE WRAPPED UP BY THE 1ST OF JANUARY TO HAVE COUNCIL GIVING FINAL DIRECTION IN THE SECOND MEETING OF JANUARY FOR WHAT THE DESIGN WILL ACTUALLY ENTAIL.

PART OF OUR STRATEGY CURRENTLY IS TO DESIGN WITH THE FOOTPRINT TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE COMMUNICATIONS, SHOULD WE ELECT TO GO THAT WAY, BUT NOT TO START THERE.

SO WE WOULD HAVE THE FOOTPRINT TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO STRAIGHT INTO HAVING FULL BLOWN DISPATCH AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF THERE. DAY ONE. GREAT. THAT'S THE CURRENT PLAN ANYWAY.

COUNCIL CAN CERTAINLY CHANGE DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, AS TIME GOES.

WE'VE BEEN KNOWN TO ONE OTHER QUESTION ON THE UTILITY SIDE.

SO THE FOUR PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED IN OUR PACKET, I DIDN'T SEE THEM PUT UP ON THE SCREEN HERE, BUT WASTEWATER PROJECTS 110, 13 AND 23, IF WE DIDN'T ISSUE THESE BONDS, THERE JUST WOULD BE NO WAY TO TO PAY FOR THOSE.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. WE WOULDN'T BE CORRECT. SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE FOUR PROJECTS. YES. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 92 PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION ON THE SEPTEMBER 2025 FINANCIAL REPORT.

[9.2. Presentation and discussion on the September 2025 financial report (Alberta Barrett)]

SO THANK YOU AGAIN. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. ALBERTA BARRETT, FINANCE DIRECTOR.

SO THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'VE NORMALLY DONE.

THIS IS OUR FIRST QUARTERLY PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL ON OUR SEPTEMBER FINANCIALS.

AGAIN KEEP IN MIND THESE ARE STILL PRELIMINARY.

IT'S OUR ACTUALLY END OF OUR FISCAL YEAR. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE THAT GOES INTO THESE ENDING NUMBERS.

SO THERE'S STILL SALARY EXPENSE, SOME OPERATING COSTS.

SO JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THOSE. SO ON PAGE ONE.

THIS IS A NEWLY ADDED SCHEDULE TO OUR MONTHLY FINANCIALS.

JUST TAKE SOME OF OUR MAJOR FUNDS AND JUST SHOWS WHAT EACH FUND IS, WHAT THE ORIGINAL BUDGET IS, AND THEN THE NUMBER YEAR TO DATE. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT THE REVENUES AND EXPENSES ARE WITH THEIR ENDING FUND BALANCE AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME. THE NEXT PAGE TWO IS VERY FAMILIAR TO WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE PAST.

IT'S THE DASHBOARD THAT SHOWS YOUR GENERAL FUND REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES, BUDGET COMPARED TO ACTUALS.

JUST IN SUMMARY, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE REVENUES THE BUDGET, THE BOTTOM BAR GRAPH SHOWS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT 32.9 AS FAR AS OUR REVENUE BUDGET.

RIGHT NOW, WE'RE AT ABOUT 33, NINE, ALMOST 34 MILLION.

SO ABOUT A MILLION MORE THAN WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY BUDGETED.

BUT KEEP IN MIND, THERE'S STILL TRANSACTIONS THAT NEED TO BE POSTED THERE.

PART OF THAT BIGGEST INCREASE IS THE RECEIPT OF A SETTLEMENT PROCEEDS OF A LITTLE OVER 600,000.

SO THAT IS ACTUALLY IN YOUR 25 NUMBERS IN YOUR IN YOUR BUDGET FOR THE GENERAL FUND OR YOUR ACTUALS.

EXCUSE ME WHERE WE HAD BUDGETED FOR NEXT YEAR.

SO YOU'VE ACTUALLY GOT IT AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. SO JUST KEEP IN MIND WHEN WE DO OUR MID-YEAR AMENDMENTS, WE'LL NEED TO GO BACK AND AMEND THAT REVENUE LINE ITEM DOWN BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED THE MONEY.

SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT NEXT YEAR. AND THEN LOOKING AT EXPENDITURES JUST IN TOTAL, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE ABOUT 1,000,008 LESS THAN WHAT WE ACTUALLY BUDGETED.

SO TO GO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, IF YOU COULD TURN TO PAGE FIVE THAT JUST SHOWS OUR SALES TAX REVENUE BY MONTH FOR A TOTAL GIVES YOU THE LAST THREE YEARS ACTUAL OUR ORIGINAL BUDGET, WHAT WE AMENDED IT TO THIS YEAR.

AND THEN THE LAST COLUMN IS YOUR ACTUALS. SO OUR ACTUALS COMPARED TO THE AMENDED BUDGET IS REALLY CLOSE.

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WE'RE ABOUT 209,435 OVER WHAT WE BUDGETED AND COMPARISON TO LAST YEAR'S ACTUALS AS OF 24 COMPARED TO 25, WE HAD ABOUT A 1.3 MILLION INCREASE, OR ABOUT 13%.

AND THEN THE GRAPH BELOW JUST SHOWS THE RELATION, THE ACTUALS TO THE AMENDED BUDGET.

IF WE COULD TURN TO PAGE SIX, IS YOUR GENERAL FUND.

AS I POINTED OUT, SOME OF THESE ALREADY. THIS JUST SHOWS YOUR REVENUES, THE BUDGET, WHICH IS YOUR AMENDED BUDGET, THE CURRENT MONTH ACTIVITY, YOUR YEAR TO DATE, YOUR VARIANCE.

AND THEN THE LAST COLUMN IS THE PERCENT OF BUDGET.

SO THE BIGGEST ONE OF YOUR MAJOR REVENUE ITEMS IS YOUR PROPERTY TAX OR AD VALOREM TAXES.

WE HIT ABOUT 14.5 MILLION WHICH IS ABOUT 80,000 SHY OF WHAT WE BUDGETED.

SALES TAX IS YOUR NEXT ONE AT 11,000,498 703 WAS YOUR ACTUAL WE ACTUALLY EXCEEDED OUR OUR BUDGET OF ABOUT BY ABOUT 209,000. AS I STATED EARLIER PERMITS AND LICENSES WERE DOWN ABOUT 240,000 FOR A TOTAL OF 4.1 MILLION WHERE WE BUDGETED 4.3. AND MOST OF THOSE WERE IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING AREA.

ENGINEERING AND RIGHT OF WAY FEES WERE THE TWO AREAS THAT WERE WERE LOWER.

IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER REVENUES, ABOUT THIRD FROM THE BOTTOM THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE THE RECORDING OF THE SETTLEMENT PROCEEDS.

SO AGAIN, YOU HAVE THAT RECORDED IN 25, SO YOU WON'T RECEIVE IT IN 26.

SO THAT DOES ACCOUNT FOR ABOUT 650,000 OF THE 1,000,091 THAT YOU HAVE ACCESS IN REVENUES.

AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT SHEET IS YOUR YOUR FUND SUMMARY.

SO WE STARTED THE YEAR WITH A BUDGET OF ABOUT 7.8 MILLION AS A FUND BALANCE.

RIGHT NOW TODAY YOU'RE SITTING AT ABOUT 11 MILLION.

YOUR RESERVE REQUIREMENT IS A LITTLE OVER 6 MILLION.

SO YOU HAVE ABOUT ALMOST 5 MILLION EXCESS. BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT'S NOT YOUR FINAL.

WE DO HAVE OPERATING EXPENSES, SALARIES, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT STILL NEED TO BE RECORDED THROUGH THE END OF SEPTEMBER.

SO THAT'S YOUR REVENUES. IF YOU COULD TURN TO PAGE TEN, JUST A YES.

ON THE ON THE PERMITS FEES. YOU SAID IT WAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE, THE, THE MAYBE THE IMPACT FEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

YES OR NO. IT'S YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING FEES AND YOUR RIGHT OF WAY FEES.

ENGINEERING. OKAY, I KNOW WE HAD SOME FEE CHANGE.

FEE TABLES CHANGES, SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS. IS THIS THIS THIS LAW OR MISSING OF ABOUT 240 K IS THAT IS THE IS THAT UNDER THE OLD FEE STRUCTURE OR IS IT HOW MUCH OF IT JUST OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD IS IN THE NEW FEE STRUCTURE? I WOULD SAY ALL OF IT'S FROM THE NEW FEE STRUCTURE BECAUSE WE'D IMPLEMENT IT AS IT IS.

IT'S JUST THE ACTIVITY IS LESS THAN WHAT WE BUDGETED.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO MOVING TO PAGE TEN IS YOUR TOTAL FOR EXPENDITURES ON THE GENERAL FUND.

SO HERE WE BUDGETED FOR EXPENDITURES TO BE ABOUT 32.6 MILLION.

AS OF TODAY THEY'RE AT 30.30 POINT 8 MILLION WHICH IS LESS BY ABOUT 1.8 MILLION.

AGAIN, AS I KEEP SAYING, THERE'S STILL EXPENSES THAT NEED TO BE APPLIED TO THOSE YET.

IT. PAGE 11 IS JUST TAKING SOME OF THE MISCELLANEOUS FUNDS.

DEBT SERVICE IS A REAL IMPORTANT ONE. WITH THE REVENUES AND EXPENSES, YOU HAVE A FUND BALANCE OF ABOUT 2.1 MILLION.

YOUR HOTEL TAX FUND HAS, WHICH IS YOUR THIRD ONE DOWN, HAS A FUND BALANCE OF ABOUT 1.4 MILLION.

AND THEN THE ENDING ONE THAT'S PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANT FOR Y'ALL IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, WHICH HAS A FUND BALANCE OF ABOUT 8.5 MILLION.

MOVING FORWARD YOUR NEXT PAGES ARE YOUR SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS.

SO THAT WILL INCLUDE, LIKE YOUR PARK IMPROVEMENT FUNDS ON PAGE 12.

THAT FUND SHOWS THAT WE USED ABOUT 486,000 ON PROJECTS, LEAVING YOU ABOUT 1.6 AS A FUND BALANCE.

AGAIN, WE STILL HAVE SOME PROJECT EXPENDITURES THROUGH SEPTEMBER THAT HAVEN'T BEEN POSTED YET.

THE NEXT PAGE 13 IS YOUR COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE FUND.

HERE WE SPEND ABOUT 1.3 MILLION THIS YEAR, WITH AN ENDING FUND BALANCE OF APPROXIMATELY 3 MILLION.

CONTINUING ON TO PAGE 14 IS THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT FUND.

HERE WE SPEND ABOUT 744,000. AND YOU HAVE A FUND BALANCE OF 9.1.

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THE NEXT PAGE IS YOUR ARPA FUND. SO HERE WE STARTED WITH ABOUT 6.3 MILLION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

WE'VE SPENT ABOUT 5.1. WE ALSO HAVE INCLUDED AS A REVENUE TO GET 10 MILLION FROM THE COUNTY RELATED TO THESE ARPA FUNDS. AND SO WE DID HAVE WE DID ACTUALLY RECEIVE 6.2 MILLION OF THAT, 10 IN 25.

AND WE'LL COLLECT THE REMAINING OF IT HERE. THE FIRST PART OF 26.

OKAY. IS THERE IS THERE A REASON THEY HAVEN'T PAID US THE WHOLE 10 MILLION YET? WE CAN ONLY DO IT ON A REIMBURSEMENT BASIS. SO AS WE'VE PAID THAT PARTICULAR VENDOR FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT, WE'VE SUBMITTED OUR REQUEST FOR REIMBURSEMENT AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT REGULARLY.

WE JUST STARTED I THINK IT WAS AUGUST. SO SO WE'LL FINISH IT UP, BUT WE'RE REAL CLOSE.

IN FACT, WE SPENT IT. WE JUST NEED TO REQUEST REIMBURSEMENT FOR IT.

OKAY. THE NEXT PAGE IS THE UTILITY FUND ON PAGE 16.

SAME FORMAT AS BEFORE. ON THE GENERAL FUND, YOU HAVE YOUR BUDGET WHERE WE HAD REVENUES BUDGETED AT 35.3 MILLION.

RIGHT NOW YOU'RE SITTING AT ABOUT 34.2. THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT WILL COME THROUGH FOR YOUR UNBILLED RECEIVABLES, WHICH WILL BE RECORDED HERE WITHIN THIS NEXT MONTH, AND THEN IT'LL BE AUDITED.

BUT IT'S PRETTY FLAT FROM WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR FUND BALANCE, YOUR REVENUES VERSUS WHAT WE BUDGETED AND YOUR EXPENDITURES.

YOU HAD A BUDGET OF ABOUT A $2.5 MILLION NET INCREASE.

REVENUES OVER, EXCUSE ME, THE OPPOSITE EXPENSES OVER REVENUE.

SO A USE OF 2.5 MILLION. AND THAT'S WHAT YOUR ACTUALS ARE, ARE, ARE REFLECTING RIGHT NOW AS WELL.

ON THE NEXT PAGE IS YOUR EXPENDITURE SIDE OF IT.

SO HERE WE WE BUDGETED 37.8 MILLION FOR A BUDGET.

AND WE'RE SITTING AT ABOUT 36.8 RIGHT NOW. SO WE HAVE EXPENDITURES, EXPENDITURES LESS BY ABOUT A MILLION AT THIS POINT.

BUT BROKEN RECORD. SAME THING. THERE'S STILL EXPENSES TO COME.

DON'T WANT YOU TO GET TOO EXCITED. PAGE 18 IS THE IMPACT FEE FUND.

SO HERE WE HAD REVENUES THAT TOTALED ABOUT 8.2 MILLION FROM WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACTS AND INTEREST EARNED EXPENDITURES WERE 9,000,097, AND THAT WAS A TRANSFER TO THE UTILITY FUND, WHICH IS JUST THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST PAYMENTS FOR THAT YEAR.

WE DID BUDGET THAT. WE WOULD HAVE SOME CONSTRUCTION REIMBURSEMENT PARTICIPATION AGREEMENTS.

THOSE HAVE NOT COME THROUGH YET. SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE WE WOULD HAVE THOSE SOMETIME IN 26.

AND THAT'S FOR THE PROJECTS LISTED THERE. PAGE 19 IS THE SOLID WASTE AND NOT A HUGE FUND IS JUST A PASS THROUGH THE REVENUES THAT WE COLLECT FOR GARBAGE. AND THEN WHAT WE PAY OUT TO THE, THE CONTRACTOR OR VENDOR FOR THAT SERVICE.

SO HERE YOUR REVENUES WERE 2,961,000. BASICALLY, EXPENDITURES WERE RIGHT AT 3.1.

SO WE USED ABOUT 102,000 OF YOUR FUND BALANCE.

AND THAT WAS INTENTIONAL. WE HAD ABOUT 340,000.

IT'S NOT ONE THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE A RESERVE REQUIREMENT FOR.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO DRAW THAT DOWN JUST CLOSER TO.

TO USE THOSE FUNDS. AND IF I RECALL FOR THIS NEXT YEAR IN 26, WE DIDN'T WE WON'T.

TRANSFER AS MUCH I THINK WE WE LOWERED IT FROM 700 TO 300.

OKAY. PAGE 20. NOW YOU'RE GETTING INTO YOUR CIP, YOUR YOUR CEOS, YOUR GEOS PROJECTS THAT WE.

ARE DOING THROUGH BORROWED FUNDS. SO FUND 12 IS YOUR FIRST ONE, WHICH IS YOUR 22? GENERAL OBLIGATIONS, WHICH ARE FOR STREETS. SO HERE WE USED 5.8 MILLION THIS YEAR SO FAR.

FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE PROJECTS. THE NEXT PAGE IS 14, WHICH WE WE USED FOR THE MEGA SITE.

THE EAST WEST SPINE ROAD. SO HERE WE SPENT ABOUT 6.4 MILLION TOTAL OF THOSE FUNDS OF THOSE BORROWINGS.

WE HAVE ABOUT 308,000 LEFT. SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL WAIT TILL THE AUDIT IS OVER, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S ACCOUNTED FOR AND IT'S FINAL, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE THAT 308,000 OR WHATEVER THAT REMAINING NUMBER IS, AND SEND IT BACK TO DEBT SERVICE TO PAY PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST.

OKAY. BUT THAT THAT FUNDING WILL BE ZERO AND DONE.

THE NEXT PAGE 22 IS YOUR FUND 17, WHICH IS YOUR 23, A GENERAL OBLIGATION.

AND THIS IS FOR FRITZ PARK. SO HERE WE SPENT A NET OF ABOUT 3.9 MILLION FOR FOR THAT PROJECT.

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AND AS NEXT YEAR WE'RE GOING TO, OF COURSE, FINISH FRITZ PARK.

AND THEN WE'LL TAKE THOSE REMAINING FUNDS AND USE THEM FOR OTHER PARK IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH YOU'VE YOU'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IN THE BUDGET FOR CIP.

PAGE 23 IS YOUR FUND 31, WHICH IS YOUR SERIES 24 CEOS THAT WE ISSUED LAST YEAR.

SO THIS ONE'S JUST GETTING OFF. GETTING STARTED.

WE SPENT A NET OF ABOUT 1.4 MILLION. YOU HAVE ABOUT 9.4 REMAINING.

THE NEXT PAGE KIND OF GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THAT IS FUND 32, WHICH WAS ALSO 24, BUT IT WAS THE GENERAL OBLIGATION PORTION.

HERE. WE SPENT A NET OF ABOUT 307,000. AND YOU STILL HAVE OVER 16 MILLION FOR THOSE STREET PROJECTS.

PAGE 25 IS SERIES 2019. THIS GETS INTO YOUR UTILITY SIDE.

SO FUND 55. WE SPENT ABOUT A NET CHANGE OF ABOUT 3.4 MILLION.

I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THE THE FUND BALANCE IS INCORRECT.

THE BEGINNING NUMBER ORIGINALLY HOUSED SEVERAL FUNDING SOURCES IN FUND 55 THIS YEAR.

WE BROKE THOSE OUT INTO WHERE THEY'RE IN THERE.

EACH INDIVIDUAL FUND AS WHICH IS REQUIRED FROM OUR BUDGET AND FISCAL POLICY.

SO REALLY THAT BEGINNING FUND BALANCE IS REALLY ABOUT 4.2.

SO WHEN WE SPEND THAT 3.4, YOU HAVE ABOUT 835,000 LEFT OF THAT FUND 55 OR SERIES 2019 ISSUE.

SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE IF IF IT DOESN'T GET ALL SPENT THIS YEAR, WE'LL HAVE A VERY SMALL PORTION THAT WE'LL HAVE AVAILABLE FOR 26 THE YEAR.

MOVING TO THE NEXT PAGE IS YOUR SERIES 22 CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION, AGAIN FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER PROJECTS.

AND WE SPENT ALMOST $7 MILLION OF THOSE FUNDS THIS YEAR, LEAVING YOU A LITTLE OVER 7 MILLION OF THAT FUND BALANCE.

24 SERIES ON THE NEXT PAGE 27, WHICH IS FUND 58 AGAIN, IS YOUR WATER AND WASTEWATER PROJECTS FROM 24? HERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME BIG PROJECTS. WE SPENT ALMOST $93 MILLION NET JUST ON THIS SERIES CEOS.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT OPERATING FUND.

FUND? 60. THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF ACTIVITY HERE.

I DO WANT TO POINT OUT ONE BIG ONE WAS ABOUT 4.5 MILLION FOR THE EAST WEST SPINE ROAD.

OKAY, SO MOVING TO KIND OF FINISH OUT THE REST OF JUST WON'T GO THROUGH EVERY PAGE.

BUT I WILL POINT OUT ON PAGE 31 IS YOUR CASH BALANCES.

SO YOUR UNRESTRICTED WHICH IS YOUR GENERAL FUND.

UTILITY FUND. YOUR SOLID WASTE. THOSE HAVE NO RESTRICTIONS.

YOU HAVE ABOUT AFTER ENCUMBRANCE, YOU HAVE 20,000,000.20 POINT 8 MILLION.

EXCUSE ME? YOUR RESTRICTIONS YOUR RESTRICTED FUNDS ARE YOUR DEBT SERVICE, YOUR PARK IMPROVEMENT FUND, YOUR COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE FUND, TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT FUND, ARPA FUNDS.

SO THERE YOU'RE SITTING WITH AFTER ENCUMBRANCE OF ABOUT 47.4 MILLION AND THEN MOVING TO THE NEXT.

PAGE 32 IS YOUR CASH BALANCES THAT ARE RESTRICTED FROM EITHER A CEO OR A G.O.

ISSUANCE. HERE, AFTER ENCUMBRANCES, YOU HAVE ABOUT 54 MILLION LEFT.

SO YOU CAN SEE WE'VE WE ARE STEADY DRAWING THOSE FUNDS DOWN BY DOING PROJECTS.

SO MOVING TO THE NEXT PAGE IS JUST A RECAP OF YOUR SERVICES REVENUES FROM FEES, YOUR PERMIT FEES YOUR BUILDING PERMIT FEES, YOUR ZONING FEES, YOUR TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES, YOUR WATER AND WASTEWATER CONNECTION FEES. SO ALL OF THOSE ARE THERE AND ALL OF THEM ARE MEETING OR EXCEEDING BUDGET, EXCEPT THE THREE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING, YOUR ENGINEERING RIGHT OF WAY FEES AND YOUR TECHNOLOGY FEES AND EVERYTHING ELSE EXCEEDED BUDGET. SO HERE WE WERE, SHORT ABOUT 279,000 FROM WHAT WE BUDGETED.

YOUR NEXT SECTION IS YOUR BUDGET TRANSFERS. I WON'T GO THROUGH ANY OF THOSE UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY REAL QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.

AND THEN THE ENDING PAGE JUST SHOWS YOU YOUR YOUR AUTHORIZED BUT UNISSUED GENERAL OBLIGATION DEBT.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE AN OLD 1972 ISSUANCE THAT HAS ABOUT 13,000 UNISSUED.

AT SOME POINT YOU PROBABLY JUST NEED TO GET WITH OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR AND SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ANYTHING YOU CAN ISSUE FOR 13,000.

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I MEAN, REALISTICALLY YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS, WHICH WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, HAS 5 MILLION FOR THE POLICE STATION. WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT TO START THE DESIGN FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER.

AND THEN YOU HAVE OUT OF THAT 18 ISSUANCE THAT WAS AUTHORIZED AT 50 MILLION.

YOU HAVE A LITTLE OVER 30 MILLION FOR PARKS AND RECREATION, WHICH ARE TIED TO PARKS AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES OR OTHER IMPROVEMENTS.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS? ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SEE DIFFERENT OR GO BACK OVER? AWESOME. ANY COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? OR. I JUST COMMENT THAT THIS IS THE COMMUNICATION SERVICES WITH THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY.

COMMUNICATION COSTS $879,738. SO THAT GOES UP EACH YEAR.

CORRECT. IS THAT JUST FOR THIS YEAR? I'M NOT SURE.

IN FUTURE SOMEBODY ELSE COULD PROBABLY ADDRESS THAT BETTER.

YEAH. SO COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS, FOR THE RECORD, JAMES, CITY MANAGER WHENEVER LET'S SEE, IN 22, I RECEIVED NOTICE THAT THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO START CHARGING THE CITY BASED ON ITS ACTUAL USAGE, AND THAT THEY WOULD PHASE IT IN OVER THREE YEARS.

OKAY, SO THIS WAS THE THIRD YEAR OF THREE YEARS OF PHASING IT IN.

OKAY. THAT MEANS IT SHOULD BE ABOUT THAT AMOUNT.

BUT I WOULD ASSUME ON OCCASION THEY'RE GOING TO RELOOK AT THEIR USAGE DATA AND THEN REAPPORTION THEIR EXPENSES.

AND THAT NUMBER WILL LIKELY CONTINUE TO GO UP, BUT NOT IN THE SAME PATTERN, THE SAME RATE OF JUMPS THAT IT HAS THE LAST THREE YEARS, BECAUSE THE LAST THREE YEARS WAS ACTUALLY THE PHASING IN OF THEM CHARGING US FOR IT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. IF I COULD ASK, WAS THAT AN AGREEMENT OR IS THAT JUST LIKE A, LIKE AN WHERE I'M WONDERING IS DOES ESD PAY THE EQUAL AMOUNT TO OR ARE WE DO WE PAY ALL THAT AND HOW DOES THAT ALL WORK? I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE ESD DOES OR DOES NOT PAY FOR DISPATCH SERVICES.

OURS IS SPECIFICALLY WITH THE WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OR WILLIAMSON COUNTY DISPATCH TO DISPATCH FOR US.

SO YEAH, MAYBE MAYBE WE COULD FIND THAT OUT. JUST LET US KNOW TO WHERE I WOULD IMAGINE THEY PAY THE SAME AMOUNT WE DO, WHICH IN THAT'S $2.6 MILLION. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

ANOTHER QUESTION HERE IS ON THE WATER RESERVATIONS.

I GUESS IT SAYS 1.636 MILLION. UTILITIES COVER.

MANVILLE INCREASES. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST KIND OF A ONE TIME DEAL, OR IS THAT ALSO INCREASING PER YEAR? THOSE SHOULD BE THOSE SHOULD BE PRETTY FLAT. OKAY.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE BIG TICKET ITEMS HERE.

YEAH, I JUST I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT. WHAT WHAT THE OTHER UTILITIES CHARGE US.

SO, LIKE, WE BUY WATER FROM MANVILLE. THEY'RE JUST LIKE A UTILITY LIKE US.

THEY'RE JUST PASSING. WELL, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THEIR EXPENSES, AND THEIR EXPENSES HAVE GONE UP.

THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE US MORE. SO DO I THINK ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE WILL GET SMALLER OR GO DOWN? NO. DO I THINK ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE WILL STAY THE SAME? NO, NOT UNLESS THERE'S A CONTRACT THAT SAYS WE WILL ONLY PAY THIS MUCH.

SO I'M JUST ASSUMING I WAS THINKING THERE MAY BE SOMETHING ALREADY A SCHEDULE ALREADY THERE, BUT IT'S JUST COST OF LIVING AND COST OF MAINTENANCE AND COST OF WATER.

YEAH. LIKE FOR MANVILLE SPECIFICALLY, THEY THEY SET THEIR RATES AS A BOARD.

AND THEN WHENEVER THEY HAVE A RATE CHANGE, THEY COMMUNICATE TO US THAT THE RATES OF THE WATER THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE PURCHASING FROM US ARE GOING TO GO UP.

THANK YOU. VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO FOR THE CUSTOMERS OF, YOU KNOW, THE CITY WATER IS THE HOT TOPIC.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. THANK YOU. SORRY. I HAD SOME QUESTIONS, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M READING THE CASH BALANCES SHEETS. RIGHT. AND THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THEM CORRECTLY.

I'M JUST KIND OF WANTED TO WALK THROUGH A FEW THINGS HERE. SO AT THE TOP OF THE FIRST PAGE THERE, PAGE 31, WHERE IT SAYS GENERAL FUND AND UTILITY OPERATING FUND, $11,000,010 MILLION.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, IS THAT'S THE MONEY THAT WE USE TO RUN KIND OF DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS.

RIGHT? WE PAY SALARIES OUT OF THAT. WE JUST WE PAY KIND OF WHAT IT TAKES TO RUN THE CITY.

AND THAT'S WHERE THOSE FUNDS COME FROM. IS THAT THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S WHERE YOUR YOUR PROPERTY TAX OR SALES TAX COMES IN.

BUT THEN IT FUNDS ALL YOUR, YOUR GENERAL FUND OPERATIONS SUCH AS YOUR POLICE, YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE, YOUR PARKS, YOUR LIBRARY YOUR STREETS, ALL THOSE ARE FUNDED FROM WITHIN THERE.

OKAY. AND THEN THE STREETS PORTION THAT'S FUNDED, THAT IS PROBABLY JUST WHAT THE THE $1 MILLION WE SET ASIDE FOR THE STREET MAINTENANCE.

IS THAT WHERE THAT COMES FROM? LIKE THE STREET, GENERAL STREET REPAIRS? IT'S NOT PROJECTS LIKE NEW NEW PROJECTS. THE MAINTENANCE IS A MAINTENANCE CATEGORY OR A LINE ITEM WITHIN THE STREET.

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DEPARTMENT BUDGET. SO YOU HAVE I HOPE I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION.

SO YOU HAVE YOUR STREET MAINTENANCE. YOU HAVE YOUR SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE.

RIGHT. BUT IT'S SEPARATE FROM LIKE, PROJECTS LIKE CIP PROJECTS.

RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A NEW ROAD, RIGHT? THAT NEW ROAD THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT EXTENDING LIVE OAK OUT TO ESSER SCHMITT THAT WOULDN'T COME OUT OF GENERAL, THAT WOULD COME OUT OF OTHER FUNDS.

OKAY. AND SO THEN I LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHERS AND I JUST KIND OF ADD THEM UP.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT $305 MILLION HERE.

YOU KNOW, AND I KEEP HEARING ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT WE GOT $300 MILLION TO USE FOR PROJECTS.

BUT WHEN I TAKE A LOT OF THIS OUT THAT CAN'T BE USED FOR PROJECTS, THAT REALLY SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCES THE NUMBER LIKE THAT, THAT NUMBER AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 32 305. THAT'S NOT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAVE TO DO PROJECTS, CORRECT? NOT JUST PROJECTS. THAT'S THAT IS THE TOTAL THAT YOU HAVE OF UNRESTRICTED YOUR GENERAL FUND FOR OPERATIONS, YOUR UTILITY FUND FOR OPERATIONS. IT DOES HAVE SOME OF YOUR RESTRICTED FUNDS, LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT PARK IMPROVEMENT, TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT. AND IT DOES INCLUDE YOUR RESTRICTED CO AND GEO ISSUANCE THAT ARE FOR PROJECTS.

BUT OUT OF THAT 305 MILLION, YOU HAVE ALMOST 181 MILLION THAT'S ALREADY ENCUMBERED.

IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'VE ALREADY AWARDED IT. THERE'S A PO ISSUED FOR IT.

THERE'S SOME EXPENSE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN TIED TO THAT 305 MILLION, WHICH LEAVES YOU THE 122 MILLION AND THEN THE REMAINING.

SO LET'S SAY LIKE FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE ON THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT 9.1 MILLION BALANCE, 1.186 ENCUMBERED WITH 7.9 REMAINING. THAT MEANS THAT HASN'T BEEN.

BUT SOME OF THAT COULD BE FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY.

WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT WHERE WE'VE HAD TO PAY THAT VENDOR.

THAT IS CORRECT. WE HAVEN'T MADE A CONTRACT FOR THAT.

SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT FULL 7.9 IS JUST KIND OF LIKE MONEY THAT WE CAN USE HOWEVER WE WANT THAT STILL COULD BE EARMARKED.

IT JUST MAY NOT BE ENCUMBERED. IS THAT ACCURATE OR IS THAT NOT? YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT'S ACCURATE. YOU KNOW, THERE THERE IS SOME RESTRICTIONS AS TO WHAT YOU CAN USE THAT TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT MONIES FOR SURE. BUT WHAT I HAVE LISTED BELOW ARE WHAT WE CURRENTLY ARE SPENDING THAT TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT FUNDS FOR.

AND THEN NEXT YEAR WE COULD ADD TO THAT. SO THOSE THOSE PROJECTS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS 01,000,001 RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. SO I WOULD I WOULD CLARIFY THAT TO TO STATE WHAT WHAT MAKES AN ITEM GO FROM BEING UNENCUMBERED TO ENCUMBERED IS, IS A CONTRACT.

OKAY. BUT BUT I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING, YOU ASK IS DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, 7.9 MILLION. WE CAN JUST GO DO WHATEVER, WHATEVER ROAD PROJECT WE WANT TO WITH.

IN A WAY, YES, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT IN PLACE, BUT ALSO IN A WAY, NO, BECAUSE THE CIP THAT THE COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED THESE FUND BALANCES ALONG WITH FUTURE ISSUANCES OF DEBT OR WHATEVER ELSE, THOSE ARE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ON HOW WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU PAY FOR THOSE THINGS.

SO WHENEVER YOU LOOKED AT THAT SHEET AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH, WE WANT TO DO THESE WHATEVER, FIVE PROJECTS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO THEM IN FISCAL YEAR 27.

WELL, WE MIGHT HAVE FLAGGED, WELL, WE COULD USE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES FOR THAT, FOR THAT, FOR THOSE PROJECTS.

SO THE MONEY IS SITTING THERE UNTIL 27 WHENEVER WE AND WE PLAN TO USE IT THEN.

THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. SO AND IT'S KIND OF MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PLAN IS THAT WE WOULDN'T BORROW MONEY.

SO THAT WOULDN'T REALLY APPLY TO THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT BORROWED MONEY.

RIGHT? IT'S NOT BORROWED. BUT LIKE WHEN WE DO ISSUE GEOS AND COS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER BEING TOLD, WE DON'T BORROW THAT MONEY UNLESS WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT'S ON THE CIP.

IT'S APPROVED. WE'RE KIND OF STARTING THAT PROJECT WE'VE APPROVED IT TO GO THROUGH, AND SO WE BORROW THE ENTIRE AMOUNT.

LET'S SAY THE PROJECT IS $10 MILLION. WE GO AHEAD AND BORROW THE $10 MILLION BECAUSE WE'VE APPROVED THAT PROJECT TO START IN FISCAL YEAR 25, EVEN KNOWING THAT IN FISCAL YEAR 25, WE MAY ONLY SPEND 5 MILLION OF THAT, AND THE OTHER 5 MILLION WOULD GO IN 26, DEPENDING ON HOW LONG THAT PROJECT WOULD LAST.

GENERALLY THAT'S TRUE GENERALLY. GENERALLY THAT'S ACCURATE.

THE REASON I SAY GENERALLY IS THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.

YEAH. BIGGER PROJECTS. THAT'S SO BIG IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ISSUE ALL $180 MILLION UPFRONT.

SO WE ISSUED THE COMPONENT OF WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD SPEND IN THAT YEAR.

KNOWING GOOD AND WELL WE WOULD COME BACK AND DO ANOTHER. WE'D HAVE TO DO IT LATER. OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH.

AND TYPICALLY WHENEVER YOU GET READY, I GUESS TO ADD TO WHAT JAMES WAS SAYING.

SO ONCE YOU ISSUE A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THAT MONEY BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO START THAT CONSTRUCTION.

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AND THEN MIDWAY WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS. AND MATT RECTOR WOULD BE REALLY WE END UP NOT BORROWING OR THE FUTURE COUNCIL DOESN'T APPROVE THE SECOND HALF OF THAT ROAD PROJECT, AND YOU DON'T FUND IT, AND YOU GOT A HALF BUILT, AND THEN YOU'RE THEN YOU'RE IN TROUBLE. YES. OKAY.

OKAY. OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S HELPFUL. THAT KIND OF HELPS CLARIFY THINGS FOR ME.

JUST MAKING SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M READING IT KIND OF LIKE I'M.

I'M READING IT HOW I THINK I'M READING IT. AND THEN THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT THAT MONEY IS INTENDED TO GO FOR TODAY BASED ON THE CIP PLAN THAT WE'VE APPROVED. SO LIKE TO CITY MANAGER'S POINT, WE IF THAT MONEY HASN'T BEEN ENCUMBERED, WE HAVEN'T BORROWED THE MONEY YET. WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT YET.

WE COULD TAKE A PROJECT OFF, PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND KIND OF USE THAT MONEY, KIND OF MOVE THAT MONEY, THAT MONEY AROUND. IF IF IT'S ALREADY ON HERE, YOU'RE ALREADY ISSUING, YOU'RE ALREADY BEING EXPENSED FOR THOSE PROJECTS.

SO SO THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE ALREADY KIND OF UNDERWAY? CORRECT. THEY'RE CREATING AN ENCUMBRANCE. THAT'S HELPFUL.

I THOUGHT THAT THIS THIS INCLUDED OTHER PROJECTS.

SO IT DOESN'T. OKAY. NO, I THINK I THINK MAYOR AND COUNCIL HAD HAD ASKED WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S LIKE SOME TRANSPARENCY.

THINGS HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST FOR SURE. AND IT'S KIND OF THE DIRECTION THAT WAS GIVEN WAS WE REALLY WANT TO SEE WHAT THE BOND FUNDS AND THE OTHER SPECIAL FUNDS ARE ACTUALLY BEING USED TO FUND. AND THIS IS HOW STAFF HAS ELECTED TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION IN A WAY THAT KIND OF JUST LAYS IT OUT.

GOT IT. OKAY. THAT'S SUPER HELPFUL. THAT'S ONE THING THAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY.

SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[10. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS]

WE HAVE ITEMS TEN ONE THROUGH 1015. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE UNLESS THERE'S ITEMS SOME WISH TO HAVE PULLED.

I'D LIKE TO PULL. TEN, 13. SECOND, A SECOND. HAVE YOU SEEN A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE EVERYTHING ON CONSENT EXCEPT FOR 1013.

SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER GORDON. SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER MORRIS.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. MORRIS. AYE. MAYOR. SNYDER.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. GORDON. AYE. COUNCILMEMBER.

KING. AYE. MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 1013.

[10.13. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-312 approving the updated changes to the City Council Protocol Policy. (City Council)]

CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R, DASH 2025 312.

APPROVING THE UPDATED CHANGES TO THE CITY COUNCIL PROTOCOL POLICY.

OKAY, SO THE REASON I ASKED FOR THIS ONE TO BE PULLED, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THERE.

AS I WAS READING THROUGH IT THIS WEEK THAT DIDN'T QUITE RING ACCURATE AS FAR AS WHAT I REMEMBERED WE HAD DISCUSSED, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THOSE UP. SO THE FIRST ONE, THESE ARE ALL IN SECTION ONE F, SO IT'S ALL UNDER THE PROCEDURES FOR APPOINTMENTS AND APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

SO THE FIRST QUESTION THAT I HAD FOR COUNCIL ONE F SUBPARAGRAPH ONE, IT SAYS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE EXEMPT FROM THE FOLLOWING PROCESSES AND MAY BE APPOINTED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF CITY COUNCIL TO SERVE ON ANY BOARD OR COMMISSION.

SO THE WAY IT'S WORDED, THAT MEANS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS COULD SERVE ON ETHICS, WE COULD SERVE ON PARKS, WE COULD SERVE ON. I DON'T THINK THAT WAS WHAT OUR INTENTION WAS.

FROM WHAT I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION, IT WAS REALLY FOR LGCS TOURS AND EDC.

IS THAT RINGING TRUE FOR ANYONE ELSE? YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT SPECIFICALLY, BUT I, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU THAT THAT IS HOW IT SHOULD BE.

I THOUGHT WE SAID UNLESS NOT ALLOWED BY LAW, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SERVE ON PNC AND YOU CAN'T.

THERE'S CERTAIN ONES YOU CAN'T SERVE ON BECAUSE OF STATE LAW.

SO 1F1, WE COULD LIST THEM, OR WE COULD JUST SAY WE'RE NOT ALLOWED BY LAW.

YEAH. BECAUSE I MEAN, MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE. I DON'T WANT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SERVING ON LIBRARY AND PARKS AND THOSE I THINK THOSE PERSONALLY, I THINK THOSE SHOULD BE CITIZEN LED. WE COULD KIND OF STAY OUT OF IT.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE GOT RID OF THE LIAISON IS BECAUSE THERE WAS KIND OF A FEAR THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE PUSHING TOO MUCH OF AN AGENDA THERE.

SO MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO REWORD THAT, TO SAY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE EXEMPT FROM THE FOLLOWING PROCESSES AND MAY BE APPOINTED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO SERVE ON LGCS TERS AND AGDC, IF THAT'S OKAY. LGC TERS.

TOURS AND HEADACHE. YEAH. A AND B YES, A AND B, ALL RIGHT.

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AND WE COULD DO THESE ALL AS ONE MOTION UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS, YOU KNOW, WANTS TO DO IT SEPARATE.

SO ONE F PARAGRAPH FIVE. JUST A VERY MINOR THING.

WE DON'T USE DROPBOX ANYMORE. WE USE NOAA.GOV.

SO I WAS JUST GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE REPLACE THE WORD DROPBOX WITH NEO GOV REVIEW, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE SEE THEM.

IT'S THE VERY LAST SENTENCE, THE LAST LINE OF DROPBOX.

YEAH. WE DON'T USE DROPBOX ANYMORE. SO 1F5. TO DROPBOX TO GOV. YEP. DO WE WANT TO HARDWIRE A PARTICULAR APP.

BECAUSE IF WE SEE STAFF DETERMINES WE CHANGE SOMETHING THEY CHANGED APPS.

YEAH. OR WE COULD JUST SAY AVAILABLE. WE UPDATE THIS THREE TIMES A YEAR.

SO WE UPDATE THIS THREE TIMES A YEAR. SO I WAS TRYING TO MINIMIZE THAT 72 SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.

YEAH OKAY. IT'LL BE BACK. IT'LL BE BACK BY THE END OF THE YEAR. IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION. YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S FINE.

K ONE F6. IT SAYS HERE THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE.

THIS IS WHERE WE CHANGE, WHERE THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE IS CHOSEN BY THE COUNCIL RATHER THAN HAVING THE SEAT NUMBERS. AND IT SAYS HERE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CHOOSES THE CHAIR, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE THAT CHOSE THEIR OWN CHAIR. I COULDN'T I COULDN'T REMEMBER HOW WE FINISHED UP DOING THAT, BUT THAT WAS MY RECOLLECTION. BUT IT COULD BE WRONG. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE CARES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

YEAH, I DIDN'T RECALL TALKING ABOUT APPOINTING A CHAIR, SO I LIKE THAT BEING INTERNAL.

AND ONE OF SIX CHANGED TO REMOVE THE WORDS ALONG WITH THE CHAIR.

YEAH. AND THEN THE LAST ONE, ONE F 13. NOW YOU'RE GETTING KIND OF CRAZY HERE.

WHAT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. OKAY, SO ON THIS ONE.

OKAY, SO THIS IS WHERE IT SAYS IT'S PREFERRED THAT YOU ONLY A PERSON SERVES ON ONLY ONE.

BUT A MAX OF TWO. SO WE'RE SETTING THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF TWO.

AND SO IT SAYS IT INCLUDES HUTTO, EDC, LGC, TERS AND TASK FORCES.

MY QUESTION HERE IS WE'VE GOT SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO SERVE ON MORE THAN TWO.

BUT PARAGRAPH ONE SAYS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE EXEMPT.

SO DOES I GUESS THAT'S MORE OF A LEGAL QUESTION.

IS PARAGRAPH ONE KIND OF OVERRIDE WHAT PARAGRAPH 13 SAYS WITH RELATION TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS BEING ABLE TO SERVE? YES. OKAY. AND SO THEN IS THE INTENTION OF THE COUNCIL ON 13 TO HAVE, IF THEY'RE A NON CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, IF IT'S JUST LIKE A REGULAR CITIZEN THEY CAN SERVE ON NO MORE THAN TWO.

AND IT INCLUDES EDC, LGC TOURS, PNC PARKS. IT'S JUST YOU ADD ALL THOSE TOGETHER AND THEY CAN ONLY SERVE ON TWO.

WAS THAT THE INTENTION? I THINK SO. OKAY. OKAY THEN.

THAT'S GOOD WITH NO CHANGE THERE. WHAT ELSE YOU GOT? THAT'S IT. I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON COUNCILMAN GORDON THERE.

I MEAN, THERE'S THERE'S SOME THINGS, LIKE WE'RE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH ZBA ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND HAVING PEOPLE FROM BUILDING AND STANDARDS.

I DON'T I DON'T THINK SOMEONE SHOULD BE ON THE ZBA AND PLANNING AND ZONING.

SO BUT BEING ON BUILDING AND STANDARDS, HAVING A ZBA AND OR A P AND Z, I LIKE TO KIND OF REVIEW THAT BECAUSE OF THE DUPLICATION OF OF SKILLS, EXPERIENCE AND, YOU KNOW, INTENTION BY BY VOLUNTEERS WHERE WE WANT TO LIMIT THAT, ESPECIALLY WHERE WE HAVE A KNOWN ISSUE WITH ZBA ANYWAY, SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADDRESS REAL TIME IF SOMETHING COMES UP OR DO WE WANT TO PUT IT IN? THE POLICY IS JUST YOU'RE SAYING LET PEOPLE MAYBE IN SOME INSTANCES SERVE ON THREE OR MORE.

YEAH. IN THAT INSTANCE. YEAH. IS ALL YOU'RE ASKING OR I'M JUST SAYING I WOULD SAY WE NEED WE JUST NEED TO WORK HARDER.

WE HAVE OVER ROUGHLY 45,000 PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE.

OKAY. AND WE PROBABLY HAVE 60 PEOPLE THAT SERVE ON THE BOARDS, BUT THERE'S JUST SELF-INTEREST, 20,000 PEOPLE THAT ARE ON FACEBOOK SERVING. WE JUST GOT TO GET A COUPLE OF THEM TO JUST SELF SERVING BECAUSE I WANT TO FILL THESE POSITIONS.

SO I PREFER TO KEEP IT AT TWO. AND LIKE, LIKE MAYOR SAID, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S JUST WORK HARDER TO GET MORE PEOPLE ON THERE.

AND IT DOES SAY IN THAT PARAGRAPH 13, AS LONG AS THE BOARDS DON'T HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, LIKE YOU SAID, RIGHT? ZBA WOULD BE OVERRIDING WHAT PNC SAYS AND YOU CAN'T.

SO THAT WOULD BE WEIRD. SO YEAH, I WOULD NOT INCLUDE THAT.

THANK YOU. BACK IN THE DAY, WHEN EACH SPOT HAD THEIR OWN, THEIR OWN PLACE WAS YELLING AT ME ABOUT PARKS.

I SAID, IT'S LIKE A PERSON REALLY DEDICATED TO PARKS.

HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT SERVING? AND THEN I TRIED TO GET HIM ON THE PARKS BECAUSE I'M LIKE, NO ONE ELSE IS COMPLAINING ABOUT IT. AND SO YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR VOICE HEARD. AND THE BEST WAY TO HAVE IT HEARD IS SO YOU'RE SAYING ADD THAT TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO VOLUNTEER TO, THAT WE COULD WE COULD TAKE BACK. THAT MAY COME.

SORRY. OKAY. SO IS THAT A MOTION THAT YOU'RE MAKING?

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COUNCIL MEMBER. YEAH. THOSE CHANGES THAT I OUTLINED. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER GORDON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER MORRIS. AND DO YOU GUYS MIND ADDING THAT WE HAVE THIS COME BACK IN A CONSENT WITH THE CHANGES JUST SO WE VERIFY IT'S RIGHT? MMHM. YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT? SURE. BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I ASKED FOR IT TO COME BACK HERE, BECAUSE I SAID THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN, I SAID, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE INTENDED.

SO THAT'S WHY I HAD IT. I'M FINE WITH IT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MAYOR. SNYDER.

AYE. COUNCILMEMBER MEMBER KING A COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON A COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS I.

MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO. GREAT CATCHES SIR. OKAY, SO NOW THAT THIS IS PASSED, WE HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE OUT OF COMPLIANCE BECAUSE THEY SERVE ON MORE THAN TWO. SO DO YOU WANT THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE TO WORK ON THAT AND BRING SOMETHING BACK NEXT WEEK ON THOSE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM 11 ONE CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2025 313 APPROVAL OF

[11.1. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-313 Approval of a Memorandum of Understanding between the City of Hutto Police Department and Williamson County Emergency Services District No. 3 for EMT-B Credentialing and Joint Medical Response. (Chief Jeffrey Yarbrough)]

A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE CITY OF HUTTO POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WILLIAMSON COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT NUMBER THREE FOR EMT, DASH B CREDENTIALING AND JOINT MEDICAL RESPONSE.

HELLO, CHIEF. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MR. JEFF YARBRO, CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WE'RE COMING BEFORE YOU TONIGHT WITH THIS RESOLUTION REQUESTING THAT YOU PROVIDE APPROVAL FOR THE MOU, WHICH WILL ALLOW US AS THE HUTTO POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHO CURRENTLY HAS AN EMTB HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY, OUR FIRST PEACE OFFICER SLASH EMT CORPORAL WOLVERTON, AND OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE ESD, THE HUTTO FIRE ISD, TO ALLOW THEM TO CREDENTIAL OUR EMTS THE WAY THE LAW IS SET UP.

AND I'LL HAVE ASSISTANT CHIEF COME UP AND CAN SPEAK ON SOME THINGS RELATED TO HOW THE LAW IS SET UP.

BUT WE HAVE TO BE UNDER A DOCTOR WHEN WE'RE EMT AND EMTB, AND THE HUTTO ESD FALLS UP UNDER THE THE MEDICAL GUIDELINES AND APPROVALS FOR THE COUNTY.

AND IN ORDER FOR US TO BE CREDENTIALED WE WOULD LIKE TO ENTER INTO THIS MOU.

ONE OF THE BIG REASONS WHY IS OUR OFFICERS, MORE TIMES THAN NOT, ARE THE FIRST ON THE SCENE OF MAJOR INCIDENTS.

AND WHEN YOU TALK TO CORPORAL WOLVERTON, HE WILL TELL YOU THAT HE HAS HAD A MINIMUM OF TEN PLUS ACTUAL LIFE SAVING INTERVENTIONS, NOT TO MENTION THE COUNTLESS NUMBER OF MEDICAL INTERVENTIONS THAT ARE SO FAR ABOVE WHAT WE HAVE.

AS FAR AS JUST THE INITIAL RESPONSE TO HOLD THE SCENE UNTIL EMS CAN GET THERE.

SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS AN ADDED VALUE. WE'VE SEEN LIVES SAVED IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE WANT TO ENTER INTO THIS AGREEMENT SO THAT WE CAN EXPAND THAT PROGRAM.

AND I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. CHIEF, HOW WILL THE MOU IMPROVE EMERGENCY RESPONSE COORDINATION BETWEEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SD THREE? OKAY. I WILL THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION, SIR. I WILL SPEAK FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S PERSPECTIVE AND BASED UPON PAST EXPERIENCE AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN WHEN OUR OFFICERS ARE TRAINED, WE'RE WE'RE TRAINED AS LAW ENFORCEMENT AND RESPONSE TO CRIMINAL SITUATIONS OR MAJOR EVENTS, NOT NECESSARILY TO THE LEVEL WHEN IT COMES TO THE MEDICAL NEEDS, BUT BECAUSE WE ARE TYPICALLY THE FIRST RESPONDERS IN ARRIVING TO A SCENE WHEN THERE'S A MEDICAL CRISIS OR SOMEONE THAT'S OVERDOSING, OR IF THERE'S SOMEONE THAT HAS NO PULSE, LIKE WE JUST HAD A DAY YESTERDAY, AN INFANT. OUR OFFICERS ARE ARRIVING AT THE SCENE AND THEY'RE PROVIDING THAT INITIAL LIFE SAVING CARE.

THIS GIVES US A LEVEL OF TRAINING WHERE WE CAN HAVE OFFICERS TRAINED TO BE EMTS, WHERE THEY CAN PROVIDE THE TRAINING THAT NOT THE MTA OR THE PARAMEDICS, BUT THEY CAN HOLD. THEY CAN PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF LIFE SAVING MEASURES TO HELP OUR CITIZENS.

WE'VE HAD OUR OFFICERS RESPOND, AND THEY'VE BROUGHT MANY PEOPLE BACK TO THE LEVEL OF STABILITY SO THAT THEY CAN GET THE PROPER TREATMENT TO MAINTAIN THEIR LIVES. SO IT IS A TRUE TESTAMENT.

I THINK IT'S AN EVOLUTION. IT'S SOMETHING THAT MR. EARP AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW IN THE PAST YOU WOULD SEE, LIKE EVEN WITH FIRE DEPARTMENTS. THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, THE NEED WAS THEY WOULD MOVE IN AND GO TO FIRES.

BUT THEY'VE EVOLVED OVER TIME. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SEEING THAT IS AN ADDED VALUE IN OUR DEPARTMENT.

AND OUR COMMUNITY DEFINITELY HAS BENEFITED FROM IT AT THIS POINT.

GREAT. GREAT. AND THEN WHAT ARE THE WHAT IS THE WHAT'S THE KEY OPERATIONAL OR COST TO THE CITY FOR FOR DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

SO WE WE SEND OUR OFFICERS THROUGH AN EMT TRAINING.

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OFFICER WOLVERTON WENT THROUGH ONE THAT WAS A THREE WEEK, TWO WEEK TRAINING DOWN AT IN IN CORPUS CHRISTI TO GET HIS CERTIFICATION.

AND THEN HE TRAINS EVERY MONTH WITH THE ESD. AND I'LL LET YOU SPEAK ON THAT TOO.

SURE. THERE IS NO COST TO THE CITY. THE I'M SORRY.

ROB BOCANEGRA, ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF. THERE IS NO COST TO THE CITY OTHER THAN EITHER THE AGREEMENT THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PAYS AND PUTS THEM THROUGH EMT SCHOOL, AND ONCE THEY ACQUIRE THAT CERTIFICATION, THE INDIVIDUAL HAS TO MAINTAIN THEIR CONTINUING EDUCATION HOURS OVER THE THREE YEAR PERIOD AND GET GET RENEWED AND PAY FOR THAT CREDENTIAL.

FROM OUR SIDE WE JUST CARRY THE CREDENTIALING EMPLOYEE.

AND OF COURSE, WE TRAIN WITH THEM. WE PROVIDE THE TRAINING THAT THEY NEED.

AND YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP.

GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU BET. WHAT IS THE TERM OF THIS MOU? I WAS PLACED HERE AND I CAN'T SEE IT. IT'S TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT FOR THE TIME FRAME.

I MEAN, HOW LONG IS THIS? OH, THE TIME FRAME.

THREE YEARS. IS IT A THREE YEAR AGREEMENT? I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATE IN THERE, BUT I THINK IT WAS BECAUSE WE RENEWED TYPICALLY EVERY THREE YEARS.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT IT'S KIND OF RENEWING. WHAT? WE ALREADY EXIST. YES. WELL, THIS ONE DOESN'T EXIST.

WE'RE ASKING THIS TO BE AN AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE ENTERING INTO BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THIS PROGRAM BEFORE.

OKAY. AND THEN THE THE OTHER THING IS. OR IS IT.

CREDENTIALING IS. I WON'T GO INTO THE FIVE THINGS HERE, BUT THEY'RE ALL TYPICAL.

BUT IS THIS IS THIS IS THIS SOMETHING A NEW PROCESS THAT WE LOOK AT.

THIS IS FOR PD OFFICERS, CORRECT? YES. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PD OFFICERS WILL BE FALLING UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE ESD'S EMT CREDENTIALING.

IT'S TYPICALLY IT'S TYPICALLY THE SAME AS WHEN YOU DO A A RESERVE POLICE OFFICER FOR AN ORGANIZATION.

THAT PERSON COMES ON. AND WHEN THEY NO LONGER ARE THERE, YOU NO LONGER CARRY THOSE CREDENTIALS. YOU JUST NORMALLY AS YOU KEEP UP WITH YOUR OFFICER'S TRAINING AND THE REQUIRED TRAINING, IT'S JUST. YES, SIR.

THAT. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. I DON'T SEE A I DON'T SEE A TERM ON THIS.

I DIDN'T EITHER TERM ISN'T UNTIL IT'S SIGNED.

NO, THE TERM IS UNTIL IT IS TERMINATED BY EITHER PARTY.

TERMINATION IS BY WRITTEN AGREEMENT OF BOTH PARTIES OR BY EITHER PARTY GIVING THE OTHER PARTY 30 DAYS NOTICE.

OKAY, GREAT. I'M DOROTHY JUNIOR. WHAT IF THERE WEREN'T? WHAT IF THIS WANTED TO BE OR, YOU KNOW, IN SOME WAY.

SO THAT WOULD WE JUST HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN? WE'D HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER PARTNER IS WHAT WE'D HAVE TO DO. NO, A DIFFERENT PARTNER.

IF IF IF THE FIRE SERVICE TELLS US THEY WANT TO.

NO, NO, I SAID IF WE WANT TO AMEND THIS AGREEMENT, THAT'S NO PROBLEM.

YEAH. YOU CAN. I DIDN'T AGREE TO AN AMENDMENT.

OKAY. ANYTIME. THANK YOU. DON'T WANT A NEW PARTNER.

BUT YOU SAID IF THEY WANTED TO END IT. NO APPEND.

I GUESS WE'D FIND ANOTHER PARTNER. ALL RIGHT.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS, I.

COUNCILMEMBER KING. I COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON I.

MAYOR. SNYDER. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. GORDON. AYE. THANK YOU. PASSES SIX ZERO.

THANKS, GUYS. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 12 ONE CONSIDERATION.

[12.1. Consideration and possible action conveying City Council's direction to staff to implement Intersection Control Evaluations (ICE) for all intersections as implemented by the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) and Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT). (Matt Rector)]

POSSIBLE ACTION CONVEYING CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION TO STAFF TO IMPLEMENT INTERSECTION CONTROL EVALUATIONS.

ICE FOR ALL INTERSECTIONS AS IMPLEMENTED BY THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION, FHWA, AND TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

TXDOT AND MAYOR. WHILE HE'S ON THE WAY UP, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM TXDOT HERE TO PRESENT ON 12 THREE, SO MAYBE WE COULD DO THESE TWO TOGETHER. OR ONE AFTER THE OTHER IF I UNDERSTAND THE ITEM.

RIGHT. IF YOU JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, YOU WANT OUR CLARIFICATION IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH WITH THIS. THAT'S CORRECT.

MAYOR. FOR THE RECORD, MATT RECTOR, CITY ENGINEER.

SO LAST MEETING WHEN I WAS PRESENTING THE CIP UPDATE, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION AMONGST THE COUNCIL ABOUT IMPLEMENTING THE ICE PROCESS, INTERSECTION CONTROL EVALUATION. AND SINCE IT WASN'T PART OF THE AGENDA, YOU GUYS COULDN'T TAKE ANY FORMAL ACTION.

YOU COULDN'T PROVIDE ANY CLEAR DIRECTION TO STAFF.

AND SO WE PUT THIS ITEM ON HERE SO THAT YOU GUYS COULD BRING THAT CONVERSATION BACK UP.

I DO HAVE SOME BACKUP SLIDES. IF YOU REALLY WANT ME TO DRAG YOU THROUGH ALL OF THE BORING ENGINEERING OF IT ALL, I KNOW AT LEAST ONE OF YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT ONE.

A ONE TIME ON WEDNESDAY, YOU AND I SO REALLY, THAT'S THAT'S THE POINT OF THIS WAS JUST TO BRING IT BACK UP SO THAT YOU GUYS COULD TAKE FORMAL ACTION OR PROVIDE FORMAL DIRECTION, IF THAT'S YOUR DESIRE.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO WHATEVER IT IS TO SET UP THE EI STANDARDS FOR MAJOR INTERSECTIONS AS A NEW POLICY FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? YOU DID GOOD. YOU GOT TEXDOT

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IN HERE. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR SNYDER.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

MORRIS. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

KING. AYE. MAYOR. PRO TEM THORNTON I. MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO.

NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 12 TWO. CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE REVISED DRAFT OF THE UNITED UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE UDC AND ENGINEERING DESIGN MANUAL EDM.

[12.2. Consideration and possible action on the Revised Draft of the Unified Development Code (UDC) and Engineering Design Manual (EDM) (Matt Rector)]

I WOULD JUST ASK COUNCIL. WE JUST GOT THIS AND THE THE SUBCOMMITTEE HAD MET.

IF WE CAN POSTPONE THIS UNTIL A DATE UNCERTAIN, UNTIL THE SUBCOMMITTEE CAN MEET ON IT AND GET BACK.

I'M FINE. I JUST HAD A QUESTION. SO I SAW IN THE PACKET THERE WERE SOME HANDWRITTEN NOTES FOR THOSE STAFF NOTES OR THOSE COMMITTEE MEMBER NOTES.

OKAY. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHOSE NOTES THEY WERE.

YEAH. THE THE PDFS WITH THE STAFF ARE WITH THE HANDWRITTEN NOTES.

THAT WAS ALL THE THE COMMITTEE. OKAY. PROVIDING US FEEDBACK.

AND THEN THE RED LINES WAS STAFF'S ATTEMPT TO INTERPRET AND RESPOND TO THOSE COMMENTS.

THE HANDWRITING WASN'T THAT SLOPPY, BUT IT WAS.

IT WAS SOME FUN TIME TRYING TO INTERPRET SOME OF THOSE HANDWRITINGS.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SAYS, JUST STRIKE IT OUT OF THE BOOK. SO SO, MATT, WITH THE POSTPONEMENT OF THIS, WHAT DOES THIS DO FOR PROJECTS IN THE CITY, IF ANY? SO WHAT WE'RE TELLING EVERYBODY IS THAT WE JUST KEEP TELLING THE UDC IS COMING, UDC IS COMING.

USE THE OLD ONE FOR RIGHT NOW. SAME THING WITH THE ENGINEERING MANUAL.

WE KEEP TELLING THEM IT'S COMING. IT'S COMING, BUT USE ROUND ROCK FOR RIGHT NOW.

OKAY, SO IT IT'S CREATED A LITTLE CONFUSION, BUT WE'RE HANDLING IT.

WE'RE WORKING THROUGH IT ALL. IT'S NOT DELAYING ANY PROJECTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. GOOD. THANK YOU.

AND FOR CLARIFICATION, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS TO POSTPONEMENT, DO WE HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT OR WE JUST YOU CAN SAY IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, WE'LL POSTPONE IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS. COULD YOU SAY A DATE OR JUST KIND OF A DATE? UNCERTAIN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO NEXT TO ITEM 12 THREE PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION PERTAINING TO THE PROS AND CONS AS WELL AS THE DESIGN AND

[12.3. Presentation, discussion and possible action pertaining to the pros and cons as well as the design and function of roundabouts. (Matt Rector)]

FUNCTION OF ROUNDABOUTS. YES. SO FOR THIS ONE MAYOR AND COUNCIL WE DO HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM TXDOT HERE.

YOU GET TO HEAR ME TALK A LOT ABOUT ALL MY FUN ENGINEERING STUFF.

AND SO I FIGURED IT'D BE A NICE CHANGE FOR YOU GUYS TO HEAR FROM SOMEBODY ELSE.

PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD TWO MEETING OR TWO WEEKS AGO IN THE LAST MEETING WAS ALSO TALKING ABOUT IMPLEMENTING ROUNDABOUTS.

AND SO WE THOUGHT IT'D BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE TXDOT COME IN AND GIVE YOU GUYS A CRASH COURSE IN ROUNDABOUTS.

AND WHY TXDOT IS IS ON BOARD WITH THAT PARTICULAR METHODOLOGY.

SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MARK AND MATTHEW FROM TXDOT.

YOU GUYS WANT TO COME ON UP. WHY WHY YOU GUYS ARE COMING UP.

OH GO AHEAD. ONE OF THE REASONS WE BROUGHT THIS, THIS ICING UP IS IN TALKING TO SOME TEX-DOT OFFICIALS, IT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING, AND WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FAST WITH PEOPLE AND KIND OF PARTNER.

AND SO THAT I THINK THE CONCEPT FOR SOME OF US IS IF THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING, YOU HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE THAN WE DO IN TERMS OF YOUR STATE, DATA AND NATIONAL. SO MAYBE WE SHOULD DO WHAT YOU GUYS DO.

AND THEN WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER AND PROJECTS ARE GETTING APPROVED QUICKER.

YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. YEAH. DO YOU MIND IF I PASS Y'ALL OUT? YOU GOTTA GO. WHY DON'T YOU GIVE THEM TO THE CITY SECRETARY AND LET HER DO IT? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THERE, BUT, YEAH, YOU HAVE TO ASK TO APPROACH THE BENCH.

ALL RIGHT, YOU LET HER GET THE ANTHRAX FIRST? THAT'S RIGHT. THAT WAY, CHIEF, TIME, IN CASE YOU RUSH THE DAIS, GIVES THE CHIEF TIME TO M.TB GOES.

RIGHT. YOU GOTTA TAKE CARE OF IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, HOWDY. MY NAME IS MATTHEW BORLAND. I WORK FOR TEX DOT IN THE ROUNDABOUTS AND ALTERNATIVE INTERSECTION DESIGN GROUP, WHICH IS IN DESIGN DIVISION AT OUR HEADQUARTERS HERE IN IN AUSTIN.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. WE ARE. I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE.

I'M REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT ICE AND ROUNDABOUTS.

I THINK IT'S A REALLY GREAT THING THAT Y'ALL ARE ADAPTING IT.

AND THEN THIS IS MARK FROM KIMLEY-HORN. HE'S GOT, LIKE, 30 PLUS YEARS EXPERIENCE.

MARK? YEAH, HE'S GOT A TON. SO ALL THE HARDBALL QUESTIONS I'M JUST GOING TO THROW TO MARK.

OH, WOW. DIDN'T KNOW WHO DID THAT. SO JUST KIND OF A REMINDER WE HAVE THIS DRIVE LIKE A TEXAN PROMOTION THING THAT'S OUT THERE. YOU KNOW, JUST BE KIND, COURTEOUS AND SAFE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL TRYING TO JUST GET TO OUR DESTINATION SAFELY.

SO AT TXDOT LAST YEAR IN JUNE, WE IMPLEMENTED A MEMO FOR THE ICE PROCESS.

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AND AS OF JUNE THIS YEAR, IT'S IN FULL EFFECT.

RIGHT. SO THE ICE PROCESS, ESSENTIALLY, WE GO THROUGH IT ON EVERY PROJECT WITH AN INTERSECTION IF WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, BRAND NEW FULL RECONSTRUCTION ALL THE WAY TO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE, HEY, WE HAVE A STOP CONTROLLED INTERSECTION AND THERE'S A SIGNAL WARRANT THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN PLACE THERE, RIGHT. SO FROM FROM JUST, HEY, WE HAVE A SIGNAL WARRANT TO ALL THE WAY FULL RECONSTRUCTION.

EVERY INTERSECTION IS GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ICE PROCESS.

THE ICE PROCESS CAN BE PRETTY SIMPLE, AND IT CAN ALSO BE PRETTY COMPLICATED.

THE MAIN THING WITH THE ICE PROCESS IS IT'S ABOUT THAT HIGHLIGHTED SENTENCE THERE.

AMONG THE VIABLE INTERSECTION TYPES, WE CHOOSE THE CONTROL, WHICH IS THE INTERSECTION WHICH SHOULD HAVE THE HIGHEST EXPECTED SAFETY PERFORMANCE THAT REDUCES FATAL AND SERIOUS INJURY CRASHES. SO WHEN WE SAY VIABLE INTERSECTIONS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INTERSECTIONS THAT CAN HANDLE THE TRAFFIC THAT IS THERE.

RIGHT. THE FUTURE TRAFFIC. WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE.

SO WHAT WE DO IS WE TAKE THOSE INTERSECTIONS, WE DO AN OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS, WE LOOK AT THE ONES THAT, HEY, THESE DO WORK HERE. THEN WE DO A SAFETY EVALUATION FROM THERE AND WE SEE WHICH ONE HAS THE LOWEST PREDICTED FATAL AND SERIOUS INJURY CRASHES. AND OUR MEMO SAYS THAT'S THE INTERSECTION THAT WE SHOULD BE USING THERE.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT INTERSECTIONS.

THERE'S A TON UP THERE. WE HAVE WE HAVE ROUNDABOUT DISPLACED LEFT.

WE HAVE OUR TRADITIONAL SIGNAL, OUR MUT A SPUI AND RCUT.

IF YOU GO TO OUR WEBSITE YOU CAN LOOK AT ALL THESE.

YOU CAN ALSO JUST GOOGLE THEM IF YOU'D LIKE. AND SO WHAT WE DO IS WE, WE TAKE THESE INTERSECTIONS, RIGHT. LIKE I SAID, WE SEE WHICH ONES WILL FIT OUR INTERSECTION AND THEN WE WILL DO THAT OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS AND SAFETY EVALUATION.

AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE ICE IS. IT'S THAT'S THE WHOLE PROCESS IS WE'RE WE'RE GOING THROUGH DOING THE OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS, WE'RE DOING THE SAFETY EVALUATION. AND THEN FROM THERE WE GET A TRANSPARENT, DEFENSIBLE POSITION.

SO TRANSPARENT MEANS IT'S ALL OUT THERE ON THE TABLE.

ALL THE INFORMATION ALL THE ASSUMPTIONS ARE THERE.

AND DEFENSIBLE DECISION IS HEY, WE HAVE THE ANALYSIS AND THE EVALUATION TO BACK UP WHY WE'RE CHOOSING THIS INTERSECTION AT THIS LOCATION.

TYPICALLY THE ICE PROCESS IS DONE WHEN WE'RE SELECTING ALTERNATIVES.

USUALLY FOR US AT TXDOT IT'S USUALLY BETWEEN A 6030 AND 60% SCHEMATIC.

SO IT'S VERY EARLY ON IN THE PLANNING STAGES.

LET'S SEE. ALL RIGHT. SO WHY INNOVATIVE INTERSECTIONS.

WHY NOT OUR SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION. AND IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO SAFETY.

AND AT EVERY INTERSECTION WE HAVE CONFLICT POINTS.

THESE CONFLICT POINTS ARE PATHS WHERE VEHICLES ARE CROSSING, RIGHT? SO IF WE CAN REDUCE THOSE CONFLICT POINTS, WE CAN REDUCE FATAL AND SERIOUS INJURY CRASHES, EVEN CRASHES OVERALL. SO A GOOD EXAMPLE IS WHEN WE GO FROM A TWO WAY STOP CONTROL TO AN RCUT A RESTRICTED U-TURN CROSSING.

WE HAVE A 40% REDUCTION IN INJURY CRASHES AND THEN A 70% REDUCTION IN FATAL CRASHES.

FOR ROUNDABOUTS, IT'S EVEN HIGHER. AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS IS YOU'RE LOWERING THE SPEED AT WHICH YOUR VEHICLES ARE GOING THROUGH THE INTERSECTION. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A 90% REDUCTION IN FATALITIES WHEN WE GO FROM A TWO WAY STOP CONTROL TO A ROUNDABOUT, WE HAVE AN 82% REDUCTION IN FATAL AND INJURY CRASHES.

AND THEN IF WE GO FROM A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION TO A ROUNDABOUT, WE HAVE A 78% REDUCTION IN FATAL AND INJURY CRASHES.

IT'S A LEFT TURNS. IT'S IT'S A LOT OF THE LEFT TURNS.

YEAH. IT'S THE LEFT TURNS. IT'S THE THROUGH MOVEMENTS.

YEAH. AND YOU CAN YOU KIND OF SAW THE, THE DIAGRAM THERE.

WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THOSE IN A SECOND. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS SO THERE'S A MODERN ROUNDABOUT, WHICH YOU SEE HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.

THE RIGHT SIDE IS MORE OF A ROTARY OR TRAFFIC CIRCLE.

AND THERE'S SOME KEY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN A MODERN ROUNDABOUT AND A ROTARY AND TRAFFIC CIRCLE, A MODERN ROUNDABOUT. IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO TELL, BUT THERE'S SOME CURVATURE PRIOR TO GETTING TO THE ENTRY OF THE ROUNDABOUT.

THAT CURVATURE THERE IS TO HELP SLOW DOWN VEHICLES.

THE OTHER THING YOU'LL KIND OF NOTICE IS IT'S NOT REALLY A STRAIGHT ENTRANCE.

THE ENTRANCE IS KIND OF DEFLECTED TO THE RIGHT, AND THE WHOLE POINT OF THAT IS WHEN A CAR IS COMING AROUND AND LET'S SAY SOMEBODY DOES JUMP THE GUN, YOU DON'T HAVE LIKE A T-BONE OR HEAD ON COLLISION.

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IT'S MORE OF A SIDESWIPE OR MAYBE A REAR END COLLISION.

RIGHT. AND I PREFER TO HAVE THOSE OVER T-BONES AND HEAD ON COLLISIONS.

AND THE REASON THERE, MATT, IS BECAUSE THE HIGHEST PROBABILITY OF FATALITY IS FROM SIDE IMPACT.

CORRECT. YEP. AND SO I FEEL LIKE Y'ALL ALREADY KNOW THIS, BUT SO THE NORMAL TWO LANE IN EACH DIRECTION TRADITIONAL INTERSECTION. WE HAVE 32 CONFLICT POINTS.

WE HAVE EIGHT DIVERGING CONFLICTS, EIGHT MERGING AND 16 CROSSING.

THE GREAT THING ABOUT A ROUNDABOUT IS IT SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCES THESE CONFLICT POINTS.

WE HAVE HALF THE AMOUNT OF DIVERGING, EMERGING AND NONE OF THE CROSSING.

THE CROSSING, THE T-BONE, SIDE COLLISIONS. HEAD ONS.

RIGHT. THAT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR THE PEDESTRIAN CONFLICTS, THOUGH.

IT DOES NOT. THAT IS TRUE. WE STILL HAVE PEDESTRIAN CONFLICTS.

WELL, I'M SAYING THE 32. YES. EVEN MORE IF YOU INCLUDED THE PEDESTRIAN CONFLICT.

YES. YEAH, IT WOULD BE. YEAH, A LOT MORE. YEAH.

BUT I WILL SAY THIS. THE GOOD THING ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS IS YOU'RE ALREADY GOING AT A SLOWER SPEED.

YOU KNOW, I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW IT. IN-TOWN SPEEDS ARE A LITTLE BIT LOWER, BUT EVEN OUT OF TOWN, YOU STILL HAVE PEDESTRIANS CROSSING AT CERTAIN PLACES.

WELL, WE HAVE SOME SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS WHERE, HEY, IF IT'S 70 AND IT'S GREEN, MOST CARS, THEY'RE NOT SLOWING DOWN. THEY'RE STILL GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO 70 MILES AN HOUR THROUGH. RIGHT.

AND I DON'T I DON'T LIKE TO PROMOTE THIS. BUT IF YOU WERE TO GET HIT BY A VEHICLE, YOU WANT THAT VEHICLE TO BE GOING A LOT SLOWER, RIGHT. THE HIGHER SPEED, YOU KNOW, THE MORE LIKELY IT'S GOING TO BE A FATALITY IF SOMEBODY DOES GET HIT.

CROSSING RIGHT? LOWER SPEED. THERE'S A LOT BETTER CHANCE THAT THEY'LL SURVIVE.

ARE THERE ROUNDABOUTS THAT HAVE CARRIED TOO MUCH TRAFFIC TO BE A ROUNDABOUT, OR IS IT KIND OF LIKE YOU JUST MAKE IT BIGGER? THERE IS A THRESHOLD. SO, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY WE START OFF WITH A ONE LANE AND THEN AS YOU KNOW, THE HIGHER TRAFFIC GOES UP, YOU ADD A SECOND LANE.

AND THEN ESSENTIALLY YOU'LL END UP GOING TO A THREE LANE. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THREE LANE ROUNDABOUTS.

SO WE GOT THIS ONE. 3279 INTERSECTION WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH.

AND I'M SITTING HERE THINKING, MAN, TEX-DOT IS LOVING ROUNDABOUTS.

AND THAT IS A TEX-DOT ROAD. AND WHAT BETTER WAY TO SHOW THE WORLD THAN A QUICK APPROVAL AND A THREE LANE ROUNDABOUT THROWING A RIGHT SMACK DAB ON 79.

IT. HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD NEED A THREE LANE ROUNDABOUT TO HANDLE THE 79 TRAFFIC.

NO, BECAUSE I MEAN BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT'S IN SPARTANBURG, SOUTH CAROLINA, BUT I'VE SEEN A ROUNDABOUT THAT CARRIED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.

OH YEAH. AND ALL THE BUSINESSES AROUND IT DID EXTREMELY WELL BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE JUST IT'S ALWAYS RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT, RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT. BUT WHERE EVERYBODY HATES THE LEFT, EVERY EVERY SINGLE USER WANTS A LEFT TURN IN BECAUSE YOU WANT TO GET THE OTHER SIDE.

AND WHERE A ROUNDABOUT I THINK ALLOWS IS IT ALLOWS EAST AND WEST ALL TO QUICKLY GET TO YOU TO WHERE YOU'RE GETTING EVERYTHING WITHOUT THE LEFTS.

YEAH. YEAH. I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. NOT THAT.

YEAH. THAT. BUT YOU KNOW I WOULD SAY HEY IF YOU HE'S ALREADY SKETCHING IT UP HERE ON THE FRONT ROW.

OKAY. OKAY. SO THIS THING MAY BE DONE. I MEAN IF YOU HAVE A, IF YOU HAVE THE TRAFFIC NUMBERS, I MEAN, YOU CAN JUST YOU CAN DO YOUR ICE REPORT AND SEE, HEY, DOES IT DOES IT WORK OR NOT.

AND THEN, THEN BY NOVEMBER. YEAH. SO NOW I'M GOING TO PLAY A VIDEO AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME CRASHES. AND SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE LOOKING AT CRASHES YOU TURN AWAY.

THEY'RE NOT TOO BAD, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S CRASHES THAT YOU SEE AT A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION.

YEAH, SOME OF THESE ARE THEY'RE THEY'RE PRETTY BRUTAL.

THEY'RE PRETTY BAD. ONE THING THAT YOU'LL NOTICE IS ALL THESE ARE RED LIGHT RUNNERS, RIGHT? YOU HAVE THE ONE OF THE WHERE THE GUY GOES STRAIGHT THROUGH A ROUNDABOUT.

NO, NO, WE HAVE WE HAVE SEEN THOSE. IT DOES HAPPEN.

YEAH. SO THE LAST ONE WAS PRETTY BAD, RIGHT? IT WAS A SEMI, AND THE CAR GOT STUCK UNDER THERE.

SO KIND OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING THOUGH IS PERCEIVED SAFETY VERSUS ACTUAL SAFETY.

SO WE ALL THINK, YOU KNOW, HEY, I HAVE THE GREEN LIGHT, I CAN GO.

WELL WE JUST SAW A VIDEO WHERE CLEARLY THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

RIGHT. THE ACTUAL SAFETY IS WE HONESTLY LIKE I KNOW I DO IT WHEN I GO UP TO A LIGHT.

I'M THE FIRST ONE. IT'S RED AND IT TURNS GREEN.

THE FIRST THING I DO IS I DON'T TOUCH THE GAS.

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I JUST LET MY CAR ROLL AND I'M LOOKING. IS ANYBODY COMING? NO. AND THEN I CAN GO. RIGHT. SO GOOD THING ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS IS IT'S SLOWING PEOPLE DOWN THAT CURVATURE PRIOR TO THE ROUNDABOUT.

IT'S ALREADY MAKING YOU FOCUS. YOU KNOW YOU WANT THAT PERSON TO HEY, PUT THE PHONE DOWN.

I GOTTA GET THROUGH HERE. BUT CRASHES DO HAPPEN THROUGH ROUNDABOUTS.

IT IT HAPPENS. RIGHT? WE CAN'T UNLESS THERE'S LIKE EVERYBODY'S AN AUTONOMOUS VEHICLE OR WHATEVER.

IT HAPPENS. AND SO HERE WE SEE A CRASH. WE HAVE A THE BLACK SUBURBAN WAS IN THE INSIDE LANE.

THE WHITE SUBURBAN WAS IN THE OUTSIDE. THE BLACK SUBURBAN THOUGHT, HEY, I CAN TURN RIGHT FROM THE INSIDE LANE, WHICH THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. AND WE SEE A LITTLE SIDESWIPE.

SO THEY GET OUT KIND OF LOOKING AT IT, TALKING WITH EACH OTHER.

AND THEN THE GUY GETS BACK IN, HE'S LIKE, NOPE, I'M GOOD.

INSTEAD OF PARAMEDICS BEING CALLED THE POLICE, WHAT WE JUST HEARD HERE, YOU'RE ABLE TO HAVE A MINOR COLLISION AND YEAH, MAYBE NOT DRIVE AWAY. LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT GUY WOULD DRIVE AWAY, BUT MAYBE DRIVE TO THE SIDE OR TO A PARKING LOT, OR EXCHANGE INFORMATION AND HANDLE IT IN THE MORNING. YEAH, EXACTLY.

YEAH. THIS PERSON DOES END UP GETTING BACK IN AND DRIVING AWAY, BUT ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT, ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS IS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, A LOT OF THE CRASHES THAT DO OCCUR WITHIN THEM, THEY'RE SIDESWIPES THEY'RE VERY MINOR.

RIGHT? ALMOST ALWAYS WHEN WE DO OUR SAFETY EVALUATIONS, ROUNDABOUTS ARE TYPICALLY THE BEST, RIGHT? THEY HAVE THE THE LOWEST PREDICTED FATAL AND INJURY CRASHES.

SO SOME OTHER GREAT BENEFITS ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS. SO YIELD ON ENTRY UTILIZES INTERSECTION SPACE REDUCES OVERALL INTERSECTION DELAY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES HAVE Y'ALL BEEN TO A LIGHT. AND IT'S RED AND YOU'RE JUST SITTING THERE FOR A WHOLE MINUTE, MINUTE AND A HALF AND YOU'RE LIKE, I COULD HAVE TOTALLY GONE THROUGH THIS ALREADY, RIGHT? SO THAT'S ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS IS ONCE YOU GET THERE, IF THERE'S NOBODY THERE, YOU JUST GO RIGHT. SAVES TIME, REDUCES FUEL CONSUMPTION, LESS EMISSIONS.

IT'S MULTIMODAL RIGHT? SLOWER SPEEDS EQUALS SHORTER CROSSINGS.

THAT'S GREAT FOR PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, RIGHT? MOST ROUNDABOUTS HAVE A SPLITTER ISLAND. IT'S A GREAT SPOT FOR A PEDESTRIAN REFUGE.

LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WE HAVE. OKAY. HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE THINK THAT ROUNDABOUTS CANNOT HANDLE TRUCKS? SEMIS. GOOD. AWESOME. WONDERFUL. BECAUSE THEY CAN MOST ROUNDABOUTS HAVE A TRUCK APRON IN THE CENTER, USUALLY PROBABLY AROUND A 10 FOOT OR 10 FOOT WIDE.

IT HAS A MOUNTABLE CURB. I'VE SEEN OVERSIZE, OVERWEIGHT, GIANT TRUCKS GO THROUGH ROUNDABOUTS.

NOT A PROBLEM. IT'S GREAT FOR FIRE TRUCKS. USUALLY THAT'S OUR DESIGN VEHICLE.

AND THEN WE HAVE LIKE A CHECK VEHICLE, WHICH IS JUST SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY MASSIVE BACKWARDS.

SO IT WORKS FOR TRUCKS. WE'VE EVEN HAD SPEAKING OF THE FIRE TRUCK WE'VE HAD FIRE CHIEF.

THEY'VE REACHED OUT TO US AND SAID, HEY, THESE HAVE ACTUALLY REDUCED OUR RESPONSE TIME SIGNIFICANTLY, RIGHT? THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR PEOPLE TO CLEAR THE INTERSECTION. IT'S USUALLY PRETTY CLEAR.

GO RIGHT ON THROUGH MAINTENANCE AND LONG TERM COST BENEFITS.

SO ROUNDABOUTS DON'T HAVE A SIGNAL. RIGHT. AND SO WHAT'S GREAT IS THE POWER GOES OUT, ROUNDABOUT KEEPS GOING.

NOT A PROBLEM. THE PICTURE YOU SEE THERE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS IN FLORIDA, I BELIEVE, AND IT IS ACTUALLY A HURRICANE EVACUATION ROUTE. WHAT'S REALLY COOL ABOUT THIS? SO ALL THE TRAFFIC FROM THE NORTH WAS COMING AND THEY HAD TO EVACUATE THROUGH THE LEFT OR THROUGH THE RIGHT.

AND SO WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY PUT POLICE OFFICERS OUT THERE AND THEY MADE IT CONTRAFLOW.

SO NOT ONLY DID THEY GO THROUGH THE NORMAL WAY, BUT THEN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROUNDABOUT WHERE YOU NORMALLY WOULD EXIT FROM THE NORTH, THEY HAD VEHICLES COMING AND THEY WENT THROUGH THE OTHER WAY AND THEY WERE ABLE TO CONTRAFLOW THE ROUNDABOUT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY COOL. ROUNDABOUTS ARE VERY VERSATILE.

THEY'RE THEY'RE REALLY GREAT. YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN MULTIPLE LIKE, DIFFERENT INNOVATIVE INTERSECTIONS.

ON ONE SIDE, YOU HAD A DIE AND THE OTHER SIDE YOU HAD A ROUNDABOUT.

SO YEAH, THEY'RE REALLY GREAT. AS YOU CAN SEE, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS.

LIKE ROUNDABOUTS. YEAH. THEY'RE AWESOME. AWESOME.

THE OTHER INNOVATIVE INTERSECTIONS ARE ALSO GREAT, TOO. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND DON'T JUST JUMP RIGHT AWAY.

HEY, ROUNDABOUT. YOU KNOW, DO YOUR ICE ANALYSIS AND SEE, YOU KNOW WHAT DOES REALLY FIT BEST HERE, RIGHT? ANY QUESTIONS? I CAME FROM A FROM A TOWN THAT HAD ROUNDABOUTS.

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SO EVERYTHING THAT THAT YOU'RE SAYING I CAN ATTEST TO.

ALL RIGHT. THE ONLY PROBLEM THAT THAT I SEE IS, IS WHEN YOU START PUTTING ROUNDABOUTS IN WHERE WE DON'T CUSTOMARILY HAVE ROUNDABOUTS AND PEOPLE GETTING USED TO THAT, THAT THAT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT HAIRY.

YEAH. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NOTICED, BUT WE HAVE A ROUNDABOUT OUT FRONT HERE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WE'VE SEEN PEOPLE NOT GO AROUND THIS WAY, BUT THEY'VE ACTUALLY COME TAKE A LOOK.

RIGHT? YEAH. THEY'VE TAKEN A LEFT AND IT'S LIKE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE SIGNS HAVE TO BE BIGGER OR WHATEVER, BUT TO YOUR POINT, THEY DO WORK.

YEAH. I THINK I GUESS ANOTHER PLUG FOR OUR OUR TEXTILE WEBSITE IS WE HAVE DESIGN AIDS ON THERE AND THAT KIND OF HELP TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

YOU KNOW, WHEN OF COURSE, ON THE ENTRY, THE ROUNDABOUT, WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT HOW IT'S USUALLY ANGLED TO THE RIGHT.

WHEN YOU ANGLE IT TO THE RIGHT, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY REALLY ABOUT PEOPLE TURNING LEFT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY, HEY, I'M ALREADY TURNING RIGHT. ESSENTIALLY, THE LANE IS MAKING ME GO TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROUNDABOUT.

AND SO I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, DESIGN OF A ROUNDABOUT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

WE DO HAVE AT TXDOT, WE DO HAVE ROUNDABOUT DESIGN CLASSES.

I BELIEVE WE ARE OPENING UP TO I, I BELIEVE WE HAVE THEM OPEN ALREADY FOR.

YEAH THOSE OUTSIDE OF TXDOT. SO IF Y'ALL HAVE ENGINEERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME AND LEARN ABOUT HOW TO DESIGN ROUNDABOUTS, DO YOU GUYS DO THE WHOLE LIKE 90% PLANS ON ONE TO DESIGN? I MEAN, I WOULD SAY WE'RE ONE OF THE FIRST CITIES TO DO THIS, RIGHT? YEAH. AND SO I THINK IT'S IT WOULD BE A GOOD PARTNERSHIP.

I'M NOT SAYING YOU GUYS DESIGN IT FOR US, BUT I WOULD THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO WANT THE BIGGER CITIES TO JUMP ON BOARD WITH THIS, SOMEONE'S GOT TO START DOING IT. AND THEN THE FASTER WE GET THINGS APPROVED AND GOING, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER TO GO, WELL, LOOK, GO, GO DOWN TO HUTTO. THEY DID ONE AND THEY DID BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ONE RIGHT IN FRONT OF CITY HALL.

WE PROBABLY GOT 3 OR 4 INTERSECTIONS. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT DOING THIS. AND SO WHEN IT COMES TO TXDOT ROADS, THE FASTER IT GOES THROUGH AND WE CAN SHOW THAT IT WORKS.

AND I WOULD THINK THE FASTER YOU CAN GET OTHER CITIES TO GET ON BOARD.

AND I'M NOT BEING FACETIOUS. THERE'S A MAJOR ONE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US THAT AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO I MEAN, WE HAD A DEVELOPER WORKING ON IT AND IT WAS GOING TO BE LIKE A, YOU KNOW, AN EIGHT LANE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION, CROSSING A RAILROAD TRACK AND ALL THAT STUFF.

CLEARLY NOT WHAT YOU GUYS PROBABLY WOULD WANT NORMALLY.

BUT YOU GO THROUGH AN ICE AND WHATEVER ICE COMES UP WITH, IF WE GET TO A POINT THAT'S FASTER, I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO GET OTHER CITIES TO JUMP ON BOARD QUICKER IF THEY KNOW THAT.

HEY, BY FOLLOWING WHAT TEX-DOT WANTS YOU TO DO AND YOU'RE INTERSECTING TXDOT ROADS, IT'S JUST A WHOLE LOT EASIER IF YOU JUST DO IT THE WAY THEY WANT IT AND THEN SPEED.

SUE. YEAH, NOT THAT YOU GUYS ARE SLOW ON PERMITTING, YOU KNOW, BUT ANYTHING THAT CAN HELP MAKE YOUR JOBS EASIER.

YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S EASY. NO, WE WE APPRECIATE IT.

WE YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT Y'ALL. IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ABOUT ANYTHING, WHETHER IT'S THE THE ICE PROCESS OR ROUNDABOUTS OR ANY OF THE INTERSECTIONS.

WE HAVE AN EMAIL ON OUR SITE. YOU FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO US.

WE'RE HERE TO HELP. WE ALSO HAVE A CLASS ON ON ICE AS WELL.

THE PROCESS. YOU CAN ALSO TAKE THAT AS WELL. YEAH.

BUT YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE HERE TO HELP. GLAD TO BE HERE.

GLAD THAT Y'ALL ARE DOING THIS. YEAH, COOL. SO I WAS DOING SOME READING, AND I SAW SOMEWHERE THAT THERE WERE OVER 600 ROUNDABOUTS IN TEXAS ALREADY, AND THAT NUMBER IS GROWING. AND I THINK THAT NUMBER IS PROBABLY OUT OF DATE BY NOW.

MIGHT MIGHT BE. YEAH. ONE QUESTION. THERE WAS ONE THAT YOU SHOWED ON, ON THE PRESENTATION WITH AN OVERPASS AND A ROUNDABOUT UNDER IT.

IS THAT RIGHT IN ROUND ROCK? IS THAT THE 620 IN ROUND ROCK? YEP. OKAY. YEAH IT IS. AND THAT THAT TOOK A LOT OF A LOT OF COORDINATION.

SO THAT'S IT'S A AND IT'S A PRETTY CRAZY INTERSECTION.

IT'S GOT SIX LEGS GOING INTO THE ROUNDABOUT. THEN WE HAVE A RAILROAD I THINK IT'S A UP I BELIEVE GOING THROUGH.

AND THEN WE HAVE AN OVERPASS GOING OVER IT. YEAH.

AND IT COST $20 MILLION TO BUILD THAT BRIDGE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

AND ALL THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD ONE OVER 79 FOR $80 MILLION.

SO THE ROUNDABOUT MAY NOT ALWAYS BE THE MORE EXPENSIVE ROUTE.

IT MAY NOT. YEAH. YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH COST, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY ROUNDABOUTS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT I THINK THE BENEFITS DEFINITELY OUTWEIGH THE COST.

BUT THOSE EXTRA COSTS ARE RIGHT OF WAY INCLUDED.

CORRECT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BIGGER FOOTPRINT.

IT'S. YEAH, A LOT OF IT'S IT'S SOME OF IT'S RIGHT AWAY.

SOME OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ROUNDABOUTS ARE NEW AND A LOT OF LOCATIONS, CONTRACTORS MAY, YOU KNOW, CHARGE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE OF THE RISK. RIGHT. IT'S SOMETHING THEY MAY NEVER HAVE DONE BEFORE. SO WE'RE WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE,

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HEY, WHY EXACTLY DO ROUNDABOUTS COST MORE THAN SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS? LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO THE COST OF THE PAVEMENT, IT'S ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF PAVEMENT, BUT IT'S THE DESIGN IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

YOU KNOW, A LOT OF INTERSECTIONS. IT'S KIND OF LIKE, HEY, LET'S JUST SMOOTH THIS OUT. WE'LL ROUNDABOUTS AREN'T THAT SIMPLE, RIGHT? SO IT'S SOMETHING NEW, BUT I THINK EVENTUALLY THE COST IS GOING TO COME DOWN.

YEAH. OUR ROUNDABOUTS USUALLY ARE. ARE THEY REGULARLY DEVELOPED WITH THE PEDESTRIAN CONSIDERATIONS LIKE THE BIKE ROUTES, THE CROSSINGS. IS THAT USUALLY HOW THAT WORKS, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SEEN ROUNDABOUTS BE DEVELOPED WITHOUT THOSE IN THERE? WE WE TYPICALLY SEE THEM DEVELOPED WITH IT.

IT'S ONLY IN LIKE VERY, VERY RURAL AREAS WHERE IT'S LIKE THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT AT ALL WHERE THEY WON'T PUT IN A SHARED USE PATH.

SO WITH ROUNDABOUTS, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A BIKE LANE.

RIGHT. WE HAVE WE TELL THE BIKE, THE BICYCLIST, HEY, YOU TAKE UP THE WHOLE LANE OR YOU TAKE THE SHARED USE PATH.

AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE IF YOU INTRODUCE A BIKE LANE, WELL, IF THE BICYCLIST WANTS TO KEEP GOING STRAIGHT AND THE VEHICLE WANTS TO TURN RIGHT, WELL, THEN WE'RE ADDING THOSE CONFLICT POINTS.

SO TYPICALLY, YES, THOUGH WHEN WE'RE PUTTING IN A ROUNDABOUT, ROUNDABOUTS ARE CURVED.

IT GIVES US A SPOT FOR SHARED USE PATH TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND IT.

SOMETIMES YOU CAN STRIPE IT WHERE THE BICYCLIST HAS ITS OWN PART OF THE SHARED USE PATH, AND THEN THE PEDESTRIAN HAS ITS OWN AS WELL.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN, NOT THE BICYCLE, BECAUSE AT ANY REGULAR INTERSECTION YOU HAVE A TRAFFIC CONTROL POINT.

YOU HAVE A WALK AND STOP SIGN. SO HOW DO YOU IMPLEMENT THAT? YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICE. YOU CAN PEDESTRIANS.

YEAH. YOU CAN PUT IT IN A ROUNDABOUT. DO YOU HAVE SOMEONE COME TO A COMPLETE STOP BEFORE ENTERING THE ROUNDABOUT? YES.

WE THEY NEED TO YIELD TO THE PEDESTRIAN. ALWAYS.

WE DO HAVE PEDESTRIAN BEACONS. AND WHEN WE DESIGN A ROUNDABOUT, WE ENSURE THAT THERE IS PROPER SITE WHILE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH ROUNDABOUT, WHERE THEY CAN SEE A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING WHEN THEY'RE GOING THROUGH, AND THERE IS APPLICABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO STOP.

YEAH. I'VE SEEN GO AHEAD DEFAULT THAT THERE WOULD BE A CROSSWALK IN A ROUNDABOUT.

THAT'S NOT THE DEFAULT. BUT WE ARE DESIGNING THAT THAT STRATEGY OR TECHNIQUE IN THE ONE THAT'S AT 1660 SOUTH AND 137, BECAUSE OF THE HIGH AMOUNT OF SCHOOL CHILDREN THAT ARE GOING TO BE CROSSING THE ROAD THERE.

SO IN THAT CASE, THERE'LL BE A PUSH, A BUTTON, BASICALLY THE LIVES.

OH, AM I WRONG? NO YOU'RE RIGHT. OKAY. YOU PUSH A BUTTON BASICALLY LIGHTS COME ON AND STOPS THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC SO THE KIDS CAN CROSS.

BUT THAT IS NOT GENERALLY THE DEFAULT. THAT'S ONLY FOR SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES.

OTHERWISE, IT'S THE GOING BACK AND THINKING ABOUT ALL THE CONFLICTS.

YOU'RE A PEDESTRIAN, AND YOU'RE GOING ACROSS A CROSS, A CROSSWALK ON A TRADITIONAL RED LIGHT SIGNAL, WHATEVER. YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PEOPLE COMING AT YOU, TURNING TOWARDS YOU, COMING THAT WAY.

ALL ALL THOSE MOVEMENTS THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.

BUT IN A PROPERLY DESIGNED MODERN ROUNDABOUT, THE PEDESTRIANS ARE MOVED UP INTO THE THROAT OF THE OF THE ROUNDABOUT, MEANING THAT THEY ONLY HAVE TO CROSS ONE DIRECTION OF TRAFFIC AT A TIME AND ONLY ONE CONFLICT.

SOMETHING'S COMING FROM MY LEFT. THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE SOMEBODY COULD HIT ME FROM.

AND THEN I GET TO A PROTECTED, YOU KNOW, MEDIAN, IF YOU WILL.

AND THEN I CROSS THE NEXT SECTION AND ONLY ONE POINT OF CONFLICT, WHICH IS FROM MY RIGHT, BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE ELSE CAN TURN INTO ME. NOPE.

SO YEAH, I AGREE FROM A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT, IT IS SAFER JUST FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AT A ROUNDABOUT VERY NEAR TO US.

IF YOU ENTER THAT CROSSWALK YOU PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE WHEN THERE'S A CROSSWALK.

SO I THINK IT'S PART OF A DESIGNATION, MAYBE PAINTING.

BUT WHAT'S OUT HERE IS NOT AN ACTUAL ROUNDABOUT.

THIS IS A THIS WOULD BE MORE LIKE A TRAFFIC CIRCLE.

RIGHT. IT DOESN'T HAVE THE COMPONENTS THAT HE LISTED OUT.

RIGHT? THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. RIGHT? RIGHT. I'M JUST SAYING IS THAT I'M NOT SAYING THERE SHOULD BE A HARD TRAFFIC CONTROL, BUT AT LEAST YELLOW LIGHT, PASSIVE ILLUMINATION.

THERE IS A CROSSWALK HERE. MAYBE MAY SUFFICE.

YEAH. WE'VE EVEN SEEN YOU KNOW, DEPENDING HOW Y'ALL FEEL ABOUT IT, THERE ARE YOU CAN DO A SPEED TABLE.

YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY A GIANT SPEED BUMP, AND YOU CAN HAVE THAT CROSSWALK RAISED UP.

SO WHEN YOU ARE GOING THROUGH IT, HEY, I SEE THERE'S THIS BIG BUMP.

I SEE CROSSWALK MARKINGS. YEAH, THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

WE'RE ALSO LOOKING INTO MORE OF DOING SOME MORE RESEARCH ON LIKE THE WE'RE TRYING NOT TO SAY THIS INCORRECTLY THE VISUALLY IMPAIRED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THEY'RE USED TO THE STANDARDIZED, YOU KNOW,

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THEY KNOW WHERE THE SIGNAL IS AT, WHAT TO PUSH.

SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON HOW WE CAN ENSURE THAT, HEY, THEY FEEL SAFE ADEQUATELY CROSSING A ROUNDABOUT AS WELL.

SO WE'RE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE'RE WE'RE REALLY LOOKING INTO THAT AS WELL.

I'M LOOKING AT YOUR, YOUR FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS THING ABOUT WHERE A ROUNDABOUT MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST SOLUTION WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT WITHIN A COORDINATED NEEDED TRAFFIC SIGNAL NETWORK. SO LIKE ON 79, YOU KNOW, IF WE'VE GOT THIS BIG.

I LOOK AT THEM AS GREEN BUBBLES. YOU'VE GOT THIS GREEN BUBBLE AND RED BUBBLES. YOU'VE GOT THE GREEN BUBBLES GOING THROUGH. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT KIND OF SPECIFICALLY. BUT ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE 132, EXCUSE ME. ONE 3132 AND 79.

I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC SIGNALS AROUND THAT.

BUT HOW DOES THAT I MEAN, HOW DO YOU INCORPORATE A ROUNDABOUT WHEN IN A PLACE LIKE THAT, WHICH WOULD BE PERFECT, BUT ALSO MERGE AND INTEGRATE IT WITH THE CONTROL WHAT YOU CALL COORDINATED TRAFFIC SIGNAL NETWORK.

YOU WANT YOU WANT ME, YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD. MARK, IS THAT GUY GOT THIS? MARK ANDREWS, KIMLEY-HORN WORKING WITH TXDOT.

YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WHEN YOU IMPLEMENT A ROUNDABOUT IN A SIGNAL COORDINATED CORRIDOR WHERE THERE'S SIGNALS ON EITHER SIDE, EVEN WHEN THEY'RE HALF A MILE AWAY. WHAT THE ROUNDABOUT DOES IS UNFORTUNATELY, IT DISRUPTS PLATOONS, SO YOU GET LESS EFFECTIVE USE OF THE GREEN THAT YOU HAVE AVAILABLE AT THE ADJACENT SIGNALS BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC'S NOT ARRIVING IN PLATOONS.

AND THE BEST, THE BEST WAY TO HAVE SIGNALS WORKING IS WHEN ALL THE TRAFFIC ARRIVES ON GREEN.

SO IT JUST ARRIVES RANDOMLY AND IT DISRUPTS THE PLATOONING EFFECT.

SO IT'S IT'S PREFERRED TO CONVERT A WHOLE CORRIDOR.

SO A CORRIDOR LIKE 79, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT A SIX LANE CORRIDOR, IT'S BETTER TO INSTALL ROUNDABOUTS AND KEEP IT AT A FOUR LANE CORRIDOR.

BUT YOU SHOULD DO THE WHOLE CORRIDOR. THAT MAKES SENSE.

AND THEY CALL IT WIDE NODES, NARROW ROADS. IT'S THIS IDEA THAT YOU YOU DON'T HAVE TO WIDEN THE MID-BLOCK AND THE CONGESTIONS AT INTERSECTIONS ANYWAY, SO YOU JUST RESOLVE THE INTERSECTION CONGESTION AND YOU DON'T NEED THE EXTRA LANES IN THE MID-BLOCK.

SO THE ROUNDABOUT INCREASES THE TRANSACTION COUNT, CORRECT? OH YEAH. WELL, BECAUSE IT'S A KIND OF A PASSIVE SERVICE TO DEMAND PASSIVE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR IT. IT'S JUST THERE WHEN YOU FIND A GAP.

YEAH. BUT THERE'S THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS THAT I THINK SHOULD BE SAID.

YOU KNOW, EVERY CITY DESERVES THE BENEFITS OF ROUNDABOUTS, BUT THERE'S A COMMITMENT ON YOUR PART AND THE COMMITMENT IS TO TO EDUCATION AND SUPPORT BECAUSE MULTI-LANE ROUNDABOUTS AREN'T THAT EASY TO DRIVE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. AND SO CITIES HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE DOWN ON ALL THE EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS.

YOU CAN'T DO IT PIECEMEAL. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THE RIBBON OF IT, YOU KNOW, TO IMPLEMENT A ROUNDABOUT.

THE SUCCESS OF IT'S DEPENDENT ON TWO THINGS THE QUALITY OF THE DESIGN AND THE ADAPTABILITY OF DRIVERS.

AND THAT'S THE HARD PART, IS GETTING DRIVERS TO UNDERSTAND AND ADAPT TO THEM.

WE CAN DESIGN HIGH QUALITY ROUNDABOUTS, BUT WE NEED, YOU KNOW, AGENCIES TO STEP IN AND TAKE A HOLD OF ALL THOSE EDUCATION RESOURCES THAT TEX-DOT HAS. A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS REALLY LOW HANGING FRUIT AND AND LOW COST, BUT IT JUST TAKES A TIME COMMITMENT TO IMPLEMENT IT AND TO GET THAT KIND OF SUCCESS THAT YOU DESERVE.

ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE ROUNDABOUTS IS IF IT'S AN APPROPRIATE SITUATION OR LOCATION.

ONE OF THE THINGS IS I CALL IT A SHUFFLING, LIKE YOU SHUFFLE CARDS AND A DECK OF CARDS.

THAT'S THE ONE THING I SEE A PROBLEM WITH DRIVERS, AND IT'S PROBABLY ACROSS THE NATION JUST IN AN ON RAMP.

PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE SHUFFLE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TO FIT IN BETWEEN, HEY, THIS IS MY SPACE.

I'M NOT LETTING YOU IN. SO HOW DOES TEX-DOT GO ABOUT PROMOTING WHAT I'M CALLING A SHUFFLING OF THE DECK CONCEPT? BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT AROUND THE BEAUTY OF THE ROUNDABOUT IS. YOU'RE ABLE TO JUST SHUFFLE THESE CARDS FROM EVERY WHICH DIRECTION.

IS THAT A PROMOTION OR MARKETING THING THAT TEX-DOT CAN TRY TO HELP IN GENERAL FOR RAMPS AND BUT ALSO SPECIFICALLY FOR ROUNDABOUTS? I COULD PROBABLY ANSWER THAT. THAT'S NOT AN EASY ONE BECAUSE YOU'RE DESCRIBING YOU'RE DESCRIBING THE INTERACTION BETWEEN DRIVERS.

YES. AND AND WE TEND TO LIKE OUR SPACE. WE TEND TO LIKE THE SEPARATION OF CONFLICTS AND SAY YOUR TURN, MY TURN. AND ROUNDABOUTS ARE MORE DYNAMIC THAT WAY.

YES. THEY REQUIRE A SOCIAL COOPERATIVE. AND A SOCIAL COOPERATIVE IS IF I'M IN THE CIRCLE, I HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY.

BUT THERE'S A YIELD SIGN. AND PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS UNDERSTAND WHAT YIELD MEANS.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT IN OUR VERNACULAR TO YIELD TO ANYTHING.

SO YIELDING TO DRIVERS IN THE CIRCLE IS A SOCIAL COOPERATIVE.

AND THERE COMES THE EDUCATION. SO A HEALTHY DOSE OF ENFORCEMENT EDUCATION AND ENCOURAGEMENT.

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AND THEN YOU GET THE BENEFITS. I THINK THAT'S SOME OF THE INITIAL, YOU KNOW, REACTION AGAINST ROUNDABOUTS IS THEY DON'T WANT TO YIELD OR WHAT I'M CALLING SHUFFLING. SO I'M JUST SAYING IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE A STATEWIDE MARKETING APPROACH TO EXPLAIN THIS US FOR THAT WOULD BE FOR ANY TRAFFIC COURTESY, BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR PROMOTING ROUNDABOUTS.

AND THAT'S ALL. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? COOL. GOOD NEWS IS EVERY INTERSECTION IN OUR TOWN NEEDS TO BE REDONE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL SMALL AND WITH TECH START UP MONEY. RIGHT. SO WERE YOUR TEST CASE YOU WANT? YEAH. OR YOUR TEST CASE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANKS A LOT. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 12 FOR CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON CITY COUNCIL'S PREFERENCE TO HAVE THE HUTTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION

[12.4. Consideration and possible action on City Council's preference to have the Hutto Economic Development Corporation (HEDC) consider taking over the execution of certain Capital Improvement Program (CIP) projects. (Matt Rector)]

CONSIDER TAKING OVER THE EXECUTION OF CERTAIN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAMS, CIP PROJECTS.

ALL RIGHT. HE'S BACK. SO GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR.

COUNCIL. THIS IS ANOTHER ITEM THAT ACTUALLY HAD COME UP DURING MY CIP PRESENTATION A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

IT WAS ALSO DISCUSSED AT THE MOST RECENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION MEETING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING THE EDC TAKE OVER SOME CIP PROJECTS.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO DIVE RIGHT IN HERE. I APOLOGIZE THAT MY PICTURE IS KIND OF COVERING UP THE TEXT.

I'LL TALK YOU THROUGH THIS. SO THERE WERE FOUR SPECIFIC PROJECTS MENTIONED.

I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THOSE FOUR, AND THEN I'LL GO THROUGH PROJECTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF DONE, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY NOT BE 100% DONE, SO THAT YOU CAN KIND OF LOOK BACK AT WHAT WE'VE DONE IN COOPERATION WITH THE EDC.

SO THE FIRST ONE THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING WAS THE BRUSHY CREEK WASTEWATER INTERCEPTOR PHASE FOUR.

YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE MAP OF IT HERE. THAT'S NOT THE FINAL DESIGN, BUT THIS IS A WASTEWATER INTERCEPTOR THAT EFFECTIVELY ELIMINATES THE ENCLAVE LIFT STATION, WHICH IS OUR BIGGEST PINCH POINT IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW FOR WASTEWATER.

SO A LOT OF BACKGROUND INTO THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PROJECTS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN, BECAUSE THE CENTRAL PLANT WAS UNDERSIZED AND IS STILL GENERALLY UNDERSIZED FOR THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH THAT WE'RE SEEING. THE CONCEPT WAS TO START DAISY CHAINING LIFT STATIONS ACROSS THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN, AROUND THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN, DOWN TO THE ENCLAVE LIFT STATION, WHICH THEN PUMPS INTO A 20 INCH FORCE MAIN, AND THAT PUMPS ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE SOUTH PLANT.

CURRENTLY, ALMOST ALL OF THE FLOWS THAT GETS TO THE SOUTH PLANT COMES THROUGH THAT LIFT STATION.

SO YOU ARE EFFECTIVELY TRYING TO FORCE PROBABLY HALF OF THE WASTEWATER FLOWS IN THE CITY, ACTUALLY MORE THAN HALF THROUGH THAT LIFT STATION. WE HAD LOOKED AT UPSIZING, THAT LIFT STATION, AND IT DIDN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE BECAUSE WE WEREN'T GOING TO GET MUCH BANG FOR THE BUCK. WE WERE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AND NOT SEE A LOT OF RELIEF.

AND WITH ALL OF THE GROWTH THAT WE HAVE HAPPENING ON THE WEST AND NORTH SIDES OF THE CITY.

DOING THIS PROJECT IS POTENTIALLY SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT THIS COULD BE ECONOMIC INCENTIVES, BECAUSE IT WOULD EFFECTIVELY ALLOW US TO GO DO ALL THOSE PROJECTS TO HAVE ALL THAT DEVELOPMENT ON THE WEST AND NORTH SIDE.

SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THIS ONE IS ALREADY IN DESIGN.

SO THIS THIS IS A REAL NUMBER. THAT'S OUR DESIGN CONTRACT, AND I APOLOGIZE, I JUST REALIZED I LEFT A COMMENT OUT.

DESIGN IS 3.4 MILLION, ROUGHLY THE CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE.

AND WE ARE APPROACHING BEING DONE WITH THE DESIGN.

BUT RIGHT NOW, THE, LIKE 90% CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE IS JUST OVER 51 MILLION.

SO FOR A TOTAL PROJECT COST OF 55.2 MILLION FOR THAT PROJECT.

AND SO I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL PICTURE AND HIGH LEVEL COST NUMBERS SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN JUST CONSIDER IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO HAVE STAFF MOVE FORWARD WITH TALKING TO THE EDC TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED TO TAKE ON OR COST SHARE WITH OR OR WHATEVER.

THE NEXT ONE THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING WAS KR 137 AT FM 1660.

SO THIS IS A ROUNDABOUT. IT IS IN DESIGN ALREADY.

THE DESIGN COST IS JUST OVER $1 MILLION. THAT'S THE CONTRACT WITH GARVER WHO'S DOING THE DESIGN, THE CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE. AND THIS IS BASICALLY 100% DESIGN.

WE'RE GOING THROUGH FINAL DESIGN APPROVAL WITH TXDOT RIGHT NOW.

BUT THE LAST COST ESTIMATE THAT WE HAD WAS THAT IT'S JUST OVER 18.7 MILLION, FOR A TOTAL PROJECT ESTIMATE OF 19.8, $19.8 MILLION. AND SO THIS IS ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WAS MENTIONED.

THE ONE THING THAT I'LL SAY HERE IS, SINCE WE'RE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF TOWN,

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IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO TO SAY THAT THIS IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FACT THAT IT'S 1660 AND 137, AND THOSE ARE BOTH MAJOR CORRIDORS COMING INTO AND OUT OF THE CITY.

MAYBE YOU CAN MAKE THAT ARGUMENT TO SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE EDC TO KIND OF START FUNDING SOME OF THIS.

I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S YOUR GUYS'S CALL.

ESPECIALLY JUST SOUTH OF THERE IS THE WHAT'S THAT DEVELOPMENT THEY'RE WORKING ON, JUST SOUTH OF THE SOUTH OF THE BEGINNING POINT WHERE IT HITS. 138. YOU HAVE THE THE GATEWAY DEVELOPMENT.

YEAH, THE GATEWAY TO HUTTO. SO YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT BIG DEVELOPMENT AND THEN NOT HAVE ANY OF THIS ROAD.

RIGHT? THE THIRD PROJECT THAT WAS MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING WAS THE THE INTERSECTION RIGHT OUT HERE, EXCHANGE AT LIVE OAK. THAT ONE IS ALSO IN DESIGN.

I TOLD YOU AT THE CIP UPDATE THAT WE WERE BASICALLY ABOUT 100% DESIGN.

WE'RE JUST TWEAKING THINGS NOW BECAUSE OF THE LAND NEGOTIATIONS.

SO DESIGN IS JUST OVER $1 MILLION. THE CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE ON THAT ONE IS 2.9 MILLION FOR A TOTAL COST OF $4.4 MILLION.

A LITTLE OVER. AND THIS ONE, I THINK, IS AN EASY ARGUMENT THAT THERE COULD BE SOME ECONOMIC BENEFITS TO IT, BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT HERE IN THE HEART OF TOWN.

IT CONNECTS THE, THE WEST SIDE WHERE THE LANDING AND, AND HOME DEPOT AND ALL THAT STUFF IS.

AND EVENTUALLY, ONCE WE GET LIVE OAK EXTENDED OVER TO ESSER SCHMITT, IT WOULD CONNECT FROM LOWE'S AND ALL THAT, ALL THE WAY THROUGH OLD TOWN AND THEN EVENTUALLY ALL THE WAY OUT TO FRITZ PARK AND BEYOND.

AND SO IT'S A HUGE POINT OF CONNECTION FOR MOST OF OUR FOCUS OF, OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE EVENTUALLY LIVE OAK WILL EXTEND INTO THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTY AS WELL.

THE LIVE OAK EXTENSION. SO THIS ONE YOU CAN SEE I DON'T HAVE A DESIGN COST UP THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY UNDER CONTRACT FOR IT.

WE DID BASICALLY HAVE IT DESIGNED ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO BY A PRIVATE DEVELOPER.

THAT DESIGN HAS SINCE EXPIRED. BASED ON OUR REGULATIONS, BUT AT THAT TIME, THEIR CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE WAS THAT IT WAS ABOUT 2.7 2.8 MILLION RIGHT IN THERE FOR CONSTRUCTION. SO THAT'S WHY I'VE GOT $2.8 MILLION WITH QUESTION MARKS, BECAUSE IF WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND REDESIGN IT, THEN THERE'LL BE SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS. BUT THAT LEADS BACK TO THE PROJECT THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT.

BECAUSE ONCE WE HAVE THIS CONNECTION, THEN NOW WE HAVE EVERYTHING CONNECTED FROM THE.

HOOKY AND ACADEMY, LOWE'S, HOME DEPOT AREA ALL ALL THAT ENDEAVOR LAND, THE CO-OP AND OLD TOWN ALL CONNECTED. AND THAT'S THAT IS OUR ECONOMIC CORE RIGHT NOW FOR THE MOST PART.

AND WHAT WOULD MAKE WHAT WOULD MAKE A ROAD PLAN EXPIRE? SO IT'S THE DESIGN DOESN'T CHANGE, REALLY. IT'S JUST PER OUR REGULATIONS.

IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, ALL OF THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS THAT GO WITH THE ROAD PLAN, ALL OF THAT STUFF EXPIRES. AND SO IF IF THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPER CAME BACK AND SAID, OKAY, NOW I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY RESUBMIT EVERYTHING TO START THE PROCESS OVER AGAIN.

DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE TO CHANGE ANY OF THEIR PLANS. THAT'S WHY I SAID IT'S TECHNICALLY IT'S EXPIRED PER OUR REGULATIONS.

BUT THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT UNLESS WE HIRED THAT FIRM TO REDO THE ENGINEERING OR TO ADJUST THE ENGINEERING, WE CAN'T JUST GO CHANGE THEIR PLANS AND TAKE THEIR PLANS AND USE THEM AS OUR OWN.

WE HAVE TO GET THEIR PERMISSION. ANY PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER WILL TELL YOU THAT I CAN'T JUST TAKE ANOTHER ENGINEER'S PLANS AND PASS THEM OFF.

THAT MAKES SENSE. IT'S JUST. IF WE WALKED INTO AN ENGINEER AND SAID, HEY, I NEED YOU TO GO BACK THROUGH THIS RESTAMP IT WITH THIS YEAR'S DATE OR WHATEVER, AND WILL PAY YOU 50,000 OR $100,000.

TO ME, THAT'S $100,000 FOR A STAMP. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE ROAD PLANS THAT EXPIRE BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GO OUT AND OURSELVES DESIGN STUFF AHEAD OF TIME, SIT IT ON A SHELF AND PULL IT OUT WHEN WE NEED IT.

BUT TO ME, HERE'S A ROAD THAT'S ALREADY DESIGNED AND WE OUGHT TO BE WORKING, WHICH I KNOW NATE SAID THAT THEY COULD WORK IT, BUT WE OUGHT TO BE FIGURING OUT HOW TO WORK WITH THE THE DEVELOPER AND ALSO WITH, IN MY OPINION, WORK WITH THEM AND WITH THE ENGINEERING FIRM TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT MISSING ANYTHING WITH NEW INFORMATION AND THEN UTILIZE THE PLANS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE TO WHERE LITERALLY WE COULD BREAK GROUND IN JANUARY ON THIS, AS OPPOSED TO, HEY, YOUR PLANS ARE TWO YEARS OLD, YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND REDESIGN THEM. YEAH. SO I'M NOT SAYING YOU EXACTLY SAID THAT, BUT SO I'LL CLARIFY.

SO ONE OF THE MAIN DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THIS TYPE OF ROAD PROJECT AND, AND SAY LIMMER LOOP THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

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WE HAVE ALL THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR LOOP THAT'S DONE.

I MEAN, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO WIDEN IT AND EXPAND AND GO GET MORE. BUT LIMIT LOOP IS THERE.

THE THE MAIN RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE'RE ADDING TO ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE.

THIS RIGHT OF WAY DOESN'T EXIST CURRENTLY. THERE'S NO PLAT DOCUMENT THAT GIVES US THAT RIGHT OF WAY.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WHEN I SAID ALL THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS EXPIRE AND THEREFORE THE ROAD PLANS EXPIRED.

SO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, ALL THE PLAT DOCUMENTS, THE ALL THAT STUFF IS EXPIRED BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING FOR TWO YEARS.

AND SO THEORETICALLY, THE DESIGN IS STILL GOOD FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE.

AS A, AS A CIVIL ENGINEER. YEAH, THERE'S THERE'S NO CHANGES THERE EXCEPT FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY DOESN'T EXIST.

AND NOBODY'S GIVEN ME THE RIGHT TO GO BUILD THAT ROAD.

RIGHT. SO ALL YOU NEED IS THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE ENGINEER TO SAY YOU CAN HAVE THE PLANS.

YEAH. AND THEN YOU CAN BUILD A ROAD PRETTY MUCH. YEAH.

SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR THAT WE MENTIONED LAST TIME.

SO NOW I'M GOING INTO PROJECTS THAT WE ARE EITHER FINISHING OR THAT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT OR TALKING ABOUT, OR SOME COMBINATION THEREOF. SO THE FIRST ONE HERE IS THE WATER IN THE COTTONWOOD LAND.

AND I HAD SHARED THE MAP AND GIVEN BALLPARKS WITH THE EDC.

I HADN'T SHARED IT LIKE THIS BECAUSE I ACTUALLY WASN'T FULLY PREPARED FOR THAT CONVERSATION.

BUT SO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU SEE FROM THE WATER MASTER PLAN THE PROJECTS AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S A 24 INCH LINE COMING DOWN, 132 AND THEN A 12 INCH LINE CUTTING ACROSS PARALLEL TO 79 12 INCH LINE, CUTTING BACK UP TO MAJOR AND THEN A 12 INCH LINE GOING DOWN MAJOR AND GOING TOWARDS PART OF THE OLDER PARTS OF HUTTO. AND SO HERE, THE RIGHT SIDE, THOSE TWO LINES OUT OF THE TABLE, THOSE ARE ALSO OUT OF THE WATER MASTER PLAN. AND SO THAT'S THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE AT THE TIME OF THE MASTER PLAN ON HOW MUCH THOSE WATER LINES WOULD COST.

NOW IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A DEVELOPER COME IN AND DEVELOP THIS LAND, THEN WE COULD PASS A LOT OF THAT COST OFF TO THE DEVELOPER.

BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT OURSELVES, THEN THAT'S THE BALLPARK THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN OUR MASTER PLAN ON HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST THE CITY TO GO BUILD THOSE WATER LINES TO FACILITATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO I THINK IT'S EASY TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT WE SHOULD BE WORKING WITH THE EDC TO HAVE THEM HELP PAY FOR THAT COST.

THEN I GO TO WASTEWATER AND COTTONWOOD SIMILAR SETUP.

SO THE LEFT SIDE IS THE IMAGE STRAIGHT FROM THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN.

THE RIGHT SIDE IS THE TABLES FROM THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN.

CAVEAT HERE IS YOU CAN SEE PROJECT NUMBER 3433 AND PART OF PROJECT NUMBER 26, WHERE IT CROSSES UNDER 79 AND GOES TO THE CENTRAL PLANT.

SO WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH A DEVELOPER TO HAVE THEM DO THE CONSTRUCTION.

THEY DID THE DESIGN. WE DO HAVE A COST SHARE WITH THEM.

SO THOSE NUMBERS AND I APOLOGIZE, THOSE NUMBERS ARE SO SMALL.

THE NUMBERS THAT YOU SEE, THERE WOULD NOT BE OUR ACTUAL COST.

IT'S NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO COST US. WHAT IS THAT? ALMOST $50 MILLION TO BUILD THAT LINE, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A DEVELOPER DESIGN AND BUILD MOST OF IT.

AND SO WE JUST HAVE A COST REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE UPSIZING WITH THEM.

NOW WE JUMP TO THE MEGA SITE. AND SO AGAIN, SAME SETUP.

LEFT SIDE IS THE WATER MASTER PLAN, RIGHT SIDE IS THE WATER MASTER PLAN TABLE.

YOU WILL SEE THERE'S SOME EXTRA NUMBERS DOWN THERE, AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU HAVE PROJECT ONE, PROJECT A AND PROJECT FIVE. NOW WHAT I WILL SAY IS WELL LET ME GO THROUGH THE TABLE FIRST.

SO ONE IS THE FRAME SWITCH. DISCHARGE LINES, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IS LIKE 21.6 MILLION THE COUNTY ROAD 132 WATER LINES, WHICH IS NUMBER FIVE THERE ON THE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PICTURE IS ABOUT 18.8.

AND THEN PROJECT EIGHT D, WHICH IS FOLLOWING BASICALLY THROUGH THE HEART OF THE MEGA SITE, IS 15.4 MILLION. NOW WHAT I WILL SAY IS WE DID NOT AWARD THESE PROJECTS THE WAY THE MASTER PLAN PRESENTED THEM. SO PROJECT ONE IS BASICALLY WHAT CORRECT PROJECT EIGHT D IS IS NOT BEING DESIGNED. PART OF AD WAS BUILT WITH THE SPINE ROAD.

AND I'LL GET TO THOSE NUMBERS IN JUST A SECOND. AND ONLY FROM WHERE YOU SEE NUMBER FIVE CONNECTING TO AD WAS PUT IN.

AND THAT WAS PUT IN WITH PROJECT ONE. SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE A LITTLE CONSTRUED.

SO I WENT AHEAD AND WORKED WITH WITH ALBERTA IN FINANCE TO PULL THE NUMBERS FOR YOU GUYS, SO YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH IT ACTUALLY COST.

SO W4 2023 IS ACTUALLY THE PART OF FIVE AND THE PARTS OF ONE THAT WE'VE DONE, AND THOSE ARE 100% DONE.

SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE HARD NUMBERS. NOW THESE ARE NOT AUDITED.

SHE REFERRED TO AUDITING EARLIER. SO WE'VE PAID EVERYTHING.

PROJECTS CLOSED OUT, BUT WE'RE WAITING FOR THE AUDIT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE'RE OVERLOOKING. BUT BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS $10.5 MILLION IS HOW MUCH IT COST US

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TO DO THOSE PROJECTS. AND THEN W12 IS, YOU SEE THAT LITTLE 30 INCH LINE THAT CROSSES FROM THE EAST SIDE OF 33, 49 TOWARDS THAT NUMBER, ONE TOWARDS THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER OF THAT MAP.

SO THAT IS A PROJECT THAT WILLIAMSON COUNTY ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED FOR US WITH THEIR EAST WILCO HIGHWAY PROJECT.

AND WE HAVE A COST REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THEM.

THAT'S THE AMOUNT WE HAVE REMAINING IN THAT BUDGET.

THEY HAVE NOT ACTUALLY INVOICED US FOR THAT YET.

THEY'VE TOLD US THAT THE INVOICE IS COMING SOON ONCE THEY DO ALL THEIR PROJECT CLOSEOUT STUFF, BUT THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED. AND SO JUST RIGHT THERE, YOU HAVE ABOUT $13 MILLION FOR WATER LINES IN THE MEGASITE, NOT INCLUDING WHAT'S IN THE SPINE ROAD. SO I'LL GET TO THAT IN JUST A SECOND.

COUNCILMAN KING. WHEN THIS CAME UP ON ABC A WHILE BACK, WE HAD A PRESENTATION ON THE EDC SIDE THAT THE ONLY MONEY SPENT FOR THE LAND WAS LIKE $20 MILLION FOR A ROAD. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I PUSHED BACK WITH THE CHAIRMAN AT THE TIME WAS THAT THERE'S TENS OF MILLIONS OF MORE DOLLARS BEING SPENT FOR THE WATER, WASTEWATER AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS. AND WHEN I WAS TALKING TO CITY MANAGER ABOUT IS SEEING THIS INFORMATION TO ME, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE ONE, THE BASIS IN THE LAND IS SET TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE MILLIONS SPENT.

BECAUSE TO ME, THE COTTONWOOD AND THIS, THIS IS WHY A BIG CHUNK OF WHY WATER RATES HAVE TO GO UP IS BECAUSE THE CURRENT.

THIS IS MY OPINION. THE CURRENT RATEPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR FUTURE RATEPAYERS, AND AT SOME POINT, I HOPE THE EDC FINDS A WAY TO REIMBURSE OUR CURRENT RATEPAYERS FOR ALL THIS INFRASTRUCTURE BEING PUT IN.

BECAUSE IF THE EDC IS TRULY A SEPARATE ENTITY AND IT WAS TREATED LIKE A SEPARATE ENTITY.

I DON'T KNOW ANYWHERE WHERE THE CITY WOULD THROW 20 OR $30 MILLION INTO WATER AND WASTEWATER LINES FOR ANOTHER ENTITY TO THEN GO PROFIT OFF OF LAND.

THEY WOULD MAKE WHAT YOU DO ALL THE TIME. YOU MAKE THE DEVELOPERS, LIKE LENNAR PUT IN A 42 INCH LINE, YOU MAKE THEM PUT IT ALL IN AND THEN WE PAY FOR THE THE COST SHARING.

NOW WE'RE KIND OF THE SAME GROUP, BUT I THINK THERE'S THAT'S WHY I'M TELLING YOU, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE EDC TO REIMBURSE, TAKE ON THE DEBT SERVICE, WHATEVER, WHATEVER MAKES THE MOST SENSE ON A LOT OF THIS TO WHERE ON A PRO RATA SHARE, MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AS MUCH OF AN INCREASE IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE THE EDC IS THE ONE FOOTING THE BILL FOR ALL THE WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.

BUT. SO STICKING WITH THE MEGASITE NOW WE DO WASTEWATER AGAIN, SAME SAME LAYOUT WHERE YOU HAVE THE MASTER PLAN FROM THE MAP AND THE MASTER PLAN TABLE. AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR THOSE NUMBERS BEING HARD TO READ, BUT BOTTOM LINE IS WHERE YOU SEE PROJECT NUMBER THREE RLS THERE.

THAT'S THE MEGA SITE LIFT STATION PROJECT NUMBER FIVE LEADING OVER WITH THAT DASHED RED LINE AND THEN SHUTTING DOWN 90 DEGREES, TURNING WEST AGAIN 90 DEGREES AND GOING INTO PROJECT SIX.

SO PROJECTS THREE, FIVE AND SIX IS WHAT WE ARE CALLING THE MEGA SITE LIFT STATION AND MEGA SITE WASTEWATER LINES.

THAT IS WASTEWATER SEVEN DASH 2023 IN YOUR CIP.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE COST FOR THAT AND THAT WAS NOT 100% COMPLETE.

BUT WE'RE BASICALLY THERE. SO FROM THE NUMBERS THAT FINANCE PULLED FOR ME TODAY, WE'RE AT ABOUT $6.4 MILLION ON THAT PROJECT.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT INCLUSIVE OF WHAT WE DID FOR THE SPINE ROAD.

THAT'S THAT'S THE NEXT SLIDE. AND SO THIS IS THE LAST ONE THAT I, THAT I PULLED FOR YOU GUYS.

SPINE ROAD THAT IS 100% COMPLETE. IT'S DONE. IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

I DON'T. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TRAFFIC WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING OUT THERE, BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. BUT THAT WAS T8 2023 AND THAT'S 19.7 MILLION IS WHAT THE COST THERE WAS. NOW THAT'S WATER, THAT'S WASTEWATER, THAT'S DRAINAGE.

THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE FIRE ROAD THAT WE HAD TO PUT IN AS PART OF OUR AGREEMENT WITH TITAN.

THANK YOU. AND SO THAT WAS THE COST THERE. SO AGAIN, I WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU GUYS A FUTURE PROJECTS, CURRENT PROJECTS, PAST PROJECTS, ALL THAT TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT DOING SOME COOPERATION WITH THE EDC.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL LET YOU GUYS ASK ANY QUESTIONS.

I GOT NONE I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE PROJECTS ALL MOVE OVER TO THE EDC, BUT I DON'T.

IN MY MIND, I THINK MAYOR PRO TEM AND I WERE TALKING.

THEY STILL GET BID, THEY STILL RUN THROUGH CITY STAFF.

THROUGH OUR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE EDC, ALL THE PROCESSES ARE THE SAME.

IT'S JUST INSTEAD OF YOU GUYS HAVING TO ACCEPT THE LOWEST BIDDER, WHICH I JUST DON'T THINK THE LOWEST BIDDER IS WORKING OUT BECAUSE WE KEEP HAVING DEFAULTS OR MISSING DEADLINES INSTEAD OF LOWEST BIDDER.

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WE'RE ABLE TO ACTUALLY NEGOTIATE, HAVE QUALIFIED BIDDERS, AND MAYBE THEY COST $1 MILLION MORE.

BUT IF A PROJECT LIKE 137 AND 1660 DRAGS ON FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS BECAUSE WE GOT THE LOWEST BIDDER, OR IT COST $1 MILLION MORE AND IT GOT DONE IN, YOU KNOW, 12 MONTHS.

TO ME, I THINK EVERYBODY AROUND HERE IS GOING TO WANT IT DONE IN 12 MONTHS. BUT I THINK IF IT WAS MY WAY, YOU ALL WOULD STILL BE INVOLVED FROM THE FROM THE BIDDING.

AND WE'LL GET DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS THAT BECAUSE WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS AND THIS IS THE PART I THINK WE'RE MISSING, THERE ARE CONTRACTORS THAT REACH OUT TO ME AND SAID, I DON'T BID ON YOUR PROJECTS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING WITH THE LOWEST BID.

AND I ALREADY KNOW I'M NOT THE LOWEST, BUT I'M THE ONE THAT CAN GET IT DONE AND ON TIME AND GET IT DONE CORRECTLY.

AND SO WE'RE MISSING OUT ON PEOPLE THAT ARE BIDDING.

AND SO SOMETIMES CHEAP IS NOT ALWAYS WHAT IT CRACKS UP TO BE.

AND SO I THINK YOU GUYS STILL BEAT THEM. YOU STILL MANAGE THEM.

YOU STILL FOLLOW UP ONLY. WE WORK WITH JEFF CHAPMAN AND WE GET CHAPMAN LAW TO HAVE THE THE LANGUAGE IN THERE.

AND THEN THE COUNCIL HAS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE EDC.

WE DON'T DO A LUMP SUM LIKE WE DID BEFORE. AS THE BILLS COME IN, WE'RE GETTING THEM.

WE'RE AUTHORIZING TO GIVE THE MONEY OVER TO THE EDC.

THAT WAY, AT ANY POINT IN TIME, THE COUNCIL CAN ALWAYS HAVE CONTROL OVER WHATEVER THE EDC IS DOING.

HOWEVER, IT'S GOT TO BE SET UP EXACTLY TO WHERE EVERYBODY FEELS COMFORTABLE. BUT THE IDEA FOR ME IS IN NO WAY TO BID IT OUT TO SOMEONE YOU WANT, BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE BID OUT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO GET IT DONE.

A COMBINATION OF THE CHEAPEST, FASTEST, HIGHEST QUALITY, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND SO THAT'S ALL I'M HOPING TO DO, IS MORE TEETH. AND THEN THAT WAY WHEN SOME AND THE EXCUSES LIKE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SIGNAL, THE EXCUSES JUST KEEP PILING UP. AND AND SO IT'S JUST LIKE, I MEAN, HELL, IT'S GOING TO BE MADE BEFORE THE SIGNAL GETS PUT IN.

AND IN THE PRIVATE WORLD, A SIGNAL CAN GET PUT UP IN A FEW MONTHS.

AND WHETHER IT'S OUR WORLD OR THE PUBLIC WORLD, IT'S A 6 OR 9 MONTH PROCESS.

AND THAT'S WITH YOU SPENDING A BUNCH OF YOUR TIME HAMMERING ON THE PEOPLE.

WE'RE SPENDING LEGAL DOLLARS SENDING OUT LETTERS AND TRYING TO GET GOING.

AND SO THAT'S ALL I'M KIND OF HOPING FROM THE COUNCIL IS THAT WE DON'T LOOK AT THIS AS A WAY TO CIRCUMVENT THINGS.

WE LOOK AT IT AS A WAY TO EMPOWER YOU IN JAMES, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T GET SOME ROADS DONE THIS NEXT YEAR, WE'VE GOT TO MAKE A CHANGE FOR SOMETHING. AND TO ME, WE HAVE TO GIVE YOU GUYS ALL THE TOOLS FIRST BEFORE WE START PRESSING FOR CHANGE TO GET STUFF DONE. WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GIVEN YOU EVERYTHING. BUT THAT'S ALL I'M KIND OF HOPING WE SEE OUT OF THIS, SO.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT ALL THE PROJECTS, ALL THE PROJECTS YOU PROPOSED THAT WE SEND OVER TO THE EDC AND THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO COME UP WITH THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH EDC THAT COVERS WHATEVER CONCERNS WE HAVE INDIVIDUALLY.

IT COVERS THAT. IT COVERS THE WAY THAT WE PAY THE MONEY ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS, AND IT COVERS THE BIDDING TO WHERE THE STAFF AND EVERYBODY IS DOING EVERYTHING, JUST LIKE I JUST LAID OUT. BUT I GUESS THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO GET IT GOING.

SECOND, I WOULD ADD TO THAT, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO SHORT CIRCUIT ANY OF THE ANY OF THE PROCESSES THAT ARE THERE TO PROTECT THE CITY OR PROTECT THE TAXPAYERS. BUT THERE'S ALSO PLACES WHERE WE'RE HANDCUFFED AND WE CAN'T DO WHAT WE WANT TO, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, IS GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO HAVE MORE ENFORCEMENT AND BE ABLE TO GET THE BEST END RESULT FOR THE CITIZENS BY USING THE THINGS THAT THE EDC CAN DO THAT THE CITY CAN'T.

SO I JUST WANT TO ADD THINGS TO YOU, AND I WANT TO TAKE THINGS AWAY THAT ARE IMPORTANT FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR EVERYBODY TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

AND I THINK COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE THE EXPENDITURES ANYWAY.

SO WE STILL HAVE COUNCIL. WE STILL HAVE COUNCIL OVERSIGHT OF THE PROCESS.

SO I KNOW THE EDC VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO BE A PART OF THIS PENDING THE CITY COUNCIL'S WILLINGNESS.

JAMES, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS IF IF THIS THING IS DONE THE WAY WE'RE SAYING THAT I DO NOT THE CONCERNS I EXPRESSED, I THINK THE FIRST TIME THE IDEA CAME UP WAS PREDOMINANTLY THE THE RISK OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN ONCE YOU OPEN UP THE FLOODGATE.

FOR NOW, YOU YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO BE TRANSPARENT.

YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO BID. YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED.

LIKE LITERALLY, IT COULD JUST BE A GROUP OF PEOPLE GIVING EVERYTHING TO THEIR BUDDY. AND WE DON'T WANT THAT. I KNOW NOBODY HERE WANTS THAT. SO I THINK THE WAY THAT YOU DESCRIBE THE DIRECTION TONIGHT IS, IS MEANT TO ELIMINATE A LOT OF THOSE PERCEIVED ISSUES THAT COULD HAPPEN.

I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WILL. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR.

WE JUST HAVE TO PLAN FOR THE WORST. YOU GUYS WOULD BE BIDDING IT OUT, SO DON'T SCREW IT UP.

I WON'T SCREW UP BIDDING IT OUT. RIGHT? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE IT WON'T BE US. IT'LL BE YOU GUYS BIDDING IT.

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IF IT'S APPROVED, IT'D BE YOU ALL BIDDING IT.

YOU ALL BRINGING US THE BEST OFFER, AND SO WE WON'T BE INVOLVED IN IT FROM THE CITY AND THE.

AND THE EDC SIDE. SO IT SHOULD STILL BE WITH YOU ALL.

YEAH. I'M COMFORTABLE. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WITH THAT AND BEING ABLE TO TO SET UP LIKE A STAFF WORKING GROUP TO, TO, YOU KNOW, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, LAY OUT THE PROCESS AND TO SHARE THAT OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS AGREEABLE TO THE WAY THAT WE WOULD TACKLE IT.

BECAUSE THE THING THAT I LIKE ABOUT IT IS THE SAME THING THAT I THINK I'M HEARING Y'ALL SAY THAT YOU LIKE ABOUT IT IS THAT WE CAN MOVE A LITTLE FASTER, WE CAN NEGOTIATE A LITTLE STRONGER, AND THEN WE HAVE TEETH IN OUR CONTRACTS.

I MEAN, THOSE ARE ALL GOOD THINGS. SO. YOU SAID THAT WAS FASTER.

SAY THAT AGAIN. FASTER. NEGOTIATE. STRONGER. NEGOTIATE.

AND TEETH AND TEETH IN THE CONTRACT. ALL RIGHT.

AM I ABOUT TO BE FAMOUS? I DON'T KNOW. GETS DONE.

LIKE YOU KNOW, BY THIS TIME NEXT YEAR, YOU'LL BE FAMOUS. THERE YOU GO. IF NOT, WE'RE GOING TO BE INFAMOUS.

SO, QUESTION. HOW DOES THIS AFFECT, LIKE THE EDC DIRECTOR'S DAY TO DAY POSITION? HOW HOW WOULD THIS. BECAUSE I'M IMAGINING EDC IS NOT.

AN ENGINEER. SO THEN HOW WOULD THAT RELATIONSHIP WORK? SO I MEAN, CHENEY IS HERE, THE EDC DIRECTOR, SHE CAN COME UP AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR HER, BUT I KIND OF ENVISIONED THAT IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO HOW WE WORK TOGETHER TO GET THE SPINE ROAD DONE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE KIND OF TOOK THE LEAD FROM THE EDC OR THE EDI PERSPECTIVE OF LIKE BEING THE PERSON OUT IN FRONT, TALKING TO THE CONTRACTORS, TRYING TO BRING PEOPLE IN AND GET MORE BIDS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

AND THEN ONCE SHE ACTUALLY GOT THEM, THEN SHE WAS LIKE KICKING THEM OVER TO ME SO THAT MY TEAM COULD LOOK AT THEM AND SAY, YEAH, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD ONE. NO, LET'S GO BACK TO THESE GUYS AND RENEGOTIATE THIS OR MAKE THEM CHANGE THAT OR WHATEVER.

SAME THING WITH THE PLANS. SHE'S NOT AN ENGINEER.

I WOULDN'T EXPECT HER TO LOOK AT THE PLANS AND EVEN UNDERSTAND ANYTHING THAT WASN'T ENGLISH ON THERE.

I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. THE MOTION THAT WE HAVE IS CHENEY IS NOT INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS AT ALL, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT. IT'S BASICALLY A PASS THROUGH THE CONCEPT THAT I'M TRYING TO PITCH, IS THAT IT'S STILL YOU ON EVERY SINGLE THING, BECAUSE OUR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT IS THAT CITY STAFF CAN WORK FOR THE EDC.

AND SO TO ME, THAT INCLUDES YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT.

AND CHENEY DOES NOT NOT THAT SHE COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT, MAYBE.

BUT TO ME, CHENEY HAS NO BUSINESS BEING INVOLVED IN THE ROADS, BECAUSE IF THE ROADS AREN'T DONE ON TIME, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM AND IT CAN'T COME BACK.

WELL, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU COMING BACK SAYING, WELL, YOU GOT AN EDC PERSON DOING THIS AND THEY'RE NOT AN ENGINEER.

IT'S LIKE, NO, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO JAMES AND SAY, YOU GOT THE WRONG PEOPLE AND WRONG POSITIONS BECAUSE WE GAVE YOU THE MONEY, WE GAVE YOU THE TEETH, WE GAVE YOU THE NEGOTIATION OF STRENGTH.

AND YOU DIDN'T GET THE ROAD DONE IN 15 MONTHS LIKE THE CONTRACTOR SAID.

SO TO ME. YEAH. AND IN ALL FAIRNESS, YOU KNOW, WE HADN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIKE, TALK THROUGH THE LOGISTICS.

BUT THE WAY THAT I ENVISION IT IS THE WAY THAT THAT MAYOR IS DESCRIBING IT EFFECTIVELY.

COUNCIL MEMBER, WHICH IS CHENEY'S ROLE WOULD BE, HEY, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE ON THE AGENDA.

POSTING IT TO THE AGENDA FOR THE EDC. BUT IT WOULD NOT BE.

HEY, I NEED TO PROJECT MANAGE. YOU KNOW, ALL THESE CIP PROJECTS THAT WOULD NOT BE I WOULD KEEP THAT OVER IN THE ENGINEERING AND ARGUABLY CHENEY'S UNDERNEATH.

MATT. SO MATT WOULD BE FUNNELING THE THE JOBS AND THE WORKLOAD WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO.

SO IT'S GOING THROUGH THE EDC, BUT THE EDC DIRECTOR HAS NO THE WELL, JUST LIKE HER ROLE WOULD BE EFFECTIVELY LIKE WHAT MY ROLE IS HERE. IT'S LIKE I DON'T ACTUALLY DO A LOT OF THE ENGINEERING WORK, RIGHT.

BUT I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR REPRESENTING IT AT THE AGENDA FOR YOU GUYS, THAT THAT'S THE ROLE THAT THAT CHENEY WOULD LIKELY FILL IS, HEY, A PROJECT NEEDS TO GO TO THE EDC FOR VOTING OR FOR APPROVAL, NEEDS TO GET ON THE AGENDA AND NEEDS TO MAKE SURE ALL THE BACKUP MATERIALS THERE, SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND THEN PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, PRESENT.

BUT MATT WILL LIKELY BE AT THE EDC MEETINGS TOO.

SO YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. SO SO THAT PART OF IT LIKE THE ADMINISTRATIVE PART OF WORKING WITH THE BOARD? YES. BUT THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT SIDE OF DOING PROJECTS.

NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I. THAT'S NOT WHAT I SEE ANYWAY, AS OF RIGHT NOW.

AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M PUSHING HERE, IS I WANT YOUR CIP ENGINEER OR WHOEVER IS SOMEONE.

LISTEN, HERE'S WHAT I'M GOING AT. ACCOUNTABILITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN.

AND SO WE CAN'T GO THROUGH YEAR AFTER YEAR GOING, WELL, THIS ROAD'S NOT DONE YET.

EVENTUALLY IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE GOT SOME NEW FACES.

WHAT HAPPENED? WELL, WE DIDN'T GET 1660 AND 137 DONE.

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN 12 MONTHS. WE'RE AT MONTH 18.

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AND I MEAN, IT'S WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING UP. WE DIDN'T DO SOMETHING RIGHT.

AND THEN THAT WAY, BECAUSE EVENTUALLY THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME IN HERE, THEY'RE GOING TO REPLACE ALL OF US. BECAUSE NOW, RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE UNHAPPY WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN THIS CITY, UNLESS IT'S ASPHALT GETTING LAID ON THE GROUND OR A CURB BEING LAID.

OTHERWISE, THEY DON'T CARE WHAT WE DO. THEY JUST WANT ASPHALT.

AND SO, SO CITY MANAGER IS SO CHENEY WOULD ESSENTIALLY BECOME A SPOKESPERSON, IS WHAT? NO, SHE'D BE THE ADMINISTRATOR TO THE BOARD IN REPRESENTING THE ITEMS. JUST LIKE I'M A REPRESENTATIVE TO THE BOARD REPRESENTING ITEMS, YOU KNOW, FOR LIKE IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO LIKE THE ROLE I FULFILL HERE FOR THE BOARD.

THAT DOESN'T CHANGE. IT'S JUST NOT HAVING ADDITIONAL WORKLOAD FROM THIS OTHER THAN GETTING THESE PROJECTS ON THE ON THE MEETING, DISTRIBUTING THE WORKLOAD TO THE RIGHT AGENCY.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION, IF I MAY.

JANIE GAMBOA, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT I THINK WHAT I SEE, THE HEAVIEST LIFT ON MY PART IS GOING TO BE SETTING UP THE CONTRACTS, WORKING WITH LEGAL AND ENGINEERING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CONTRACTS ARE REFLECTIVE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IN THOSE CONTRACTS.

SO MY HOPE IS THAT WE WILL GET FORM CONTRACTS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY LEGAL.

EVERY TIME WE BID OUT A PROJECT, IT'S STANDARD.

WE GO IN AND CHANGE THE RELEVANT THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED SPECIFIC TO THAT PROJECT.

SO I THINK WHAT I'M SEEING IS THAT THE INITIAL ADMINISTRATIVE LIFT TO GET THIS STRUCTURE FINALIZED IS PROBABLY THE BULK OF MY ADDITIONAL INVOLVEMENT IN THIS PROCESS. SO I WOULD ALSO I'M NOT WANTING YOU TO BE INVOLVED IN A CONTRACT BECAUSE I WANT WHAT JAMES SAYING THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

ARE YOU INVOLVED IN THE CONTRACT FOR 16 60. ARE YOU INVOLVED IN THAT ONE? NO. BUT WHAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING, IS THAT YOU WANT THIS TO BE AN EDC CONTRACT SO THAT WE CAN PUT CERTAIN PROVISIONS IN THERE PROTECTIONS AND GET THINGS DONE FASTER. TO ME, THE CITY ENGINEER NEEDS TO CONTRACT THE EDC ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO UNDERSTAND. HERE'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET.

AND EVERYBODY'S GOT A ROLE, RIGHT. HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

YOU UNDERSTAND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ENGINEERING CONTRACTS.

HE OR WHOEVER IN YOUR OFFICE UNDERSTANDS IT. TO ME, THAT PERSON NEEDS TO BE WORKING WITH THE LEGAL FOR THE EDC TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S SET UP RIGHT, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE INVOLVED IN IT, HE'S STILL GOING TO HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN IT.

AND SO NOW YOU'VE GOT TWO PEOPLE WORKING ON THE SAME THING.

AND TO ME, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET IS ALL THE STAFF IS EXACTLY THE SAME LIKE WE NORMALLY DO.

IT'S JUST WE'RE USING EDC SLASH LLC ENTITY TO GIVE US WHAT WE WANT.

OTHERWISE, YOU'RE STILL DOING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

HE'S STILL DOING ENGINEERING. WHATEVER IT IS OR WHOEVER IN YOUR OFFICE IS DOING IT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS, IS IS AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING KIND OF.

I UNDERSTAND IT THAT WAY. YEAH. IT'S JUST LIKE WE HAVE CHRISTINA DOES THE FINANCES.

IT'S THE EXACT SAME THING, RIGHT? SO. YEAH. YEAH.

BECAUSE ALL THAT'S GOING TO DO IS TO ME THAT COMPLICATES IT.

AND THAT THAT MAKES IT HARDER NOW. BUT I THINK YOU'RE STILL DOING THE AGENDA ITEMS. YOU'RE STILL COMING UP. AND I HONESTLY THINK MATT'S GOING TO COME PRESENT TO THE EDC WHEN IT COMES TO THE PROJECTS, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING YOU QUESTIONS AND YOU'RE GOING TO GO, I'LL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU. AND REALLY, WE WANT THE ENGINEER, BECAUSE THE ONLY TIME WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION IS, WHY IS THIS THING NOT ON SCHEDULE? AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO US WHAT HAPPENED. IT'S KIND OF WHAT THAT'S THE WHOLE THING I'M PUSHING FOR IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND THE SPEED, AND THEN MAKING SURE WE GOT THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT ROLES.

AND YEAH, ONCE THERE'S A FORMAL CONTRACT, THEN WE DON'T HAVE GEORGE OR WHOEVER IS ON THE EDC SIDE DIGGING AROUND.

IT'S LIKE, NO, CHAPMAN SAID. THIS AGREEMENT IS GOOD TO GO.

GEORGE SAID. IT MEETS ALL THE EDC STATE LAWS FOR TYPE A, TYPE B, BOOM, WE'RE DONE.

WE KEEP ON MOVING. AND THEN EACH PROJECT GEORGE JUST IS BLESSING EVERYTHING STILL MEETS.

WE NOW GOT CHAPMAN STUFF DOWN TO WHERE WE GOT ALL THE TEETH IN, AND IT BECOMES JUST A FORM, JUST A TYPE THING. AND. AND THAT'S NOT SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY OR COULDN'T.

IT'S JUST THAT IN MY MIND. NO. AND I APPRECIATE THAT DISTINCTION BECAUSE I THINK THE, THE SPINE ROAD.

WELL, YES, IT'S A GOOD POINT OF REFERENCE BECAUSE WE DID COLLABORATE A LOT ON THAT.

THE SPINE ROAD ALSO HAD OBLIGATIONS TIED TO IT THAT WERE SPECIFIC TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE EDC.

AND SO MY INVOLVEMENT IN THAT WAS PRETTY EXCESSIVE.

THAT WAS MY ROLE. YEAH. IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT.

AND THAT'S YOU DON'T WANT THAT. SO I THINK AS LONG AS WE HAVE THAT DISTINCTION, THAT THE EXPECTATION FOR MY INVOLVEMENT WITH THE SPINE ROAD IS NOT THE PRECEDENT THAT

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WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, THEN I DON'T ANTICIPATE THERE BEING ANY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN MY ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITIES FROM WHAT I'M CURRENTLY DOING IN ORDER TO SUPPORT ADDITIONAL CIP PROJECTS. THE SPINE. THE SPINE ROAD IS NOT A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YEAH, THAT WAS A ONE OFF DEAL THAT WAS TIED TO A SPECIFIC AGREEMENT THAT HAD SPECIFIC DEADLINES AND THAT WOULD HAVE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED THE EDC IF WE HAD NOT MET. SO THAT THAT, TO ME, IS CERTAINLY NOT THE EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OR WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING HERE.

AGAIN, WE NEED TO MEET WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT ALL THE DETAILS.

BUT BUT THIS IS THE SORT OF STUFF THAT WE WILL WE WILL HAMMER OUT AND IT'S GOING TO COME BACK.

I EXPECT THIS TO BE THE DIRECTION TO GO. DO THIS.

YOU STILL GOT TO BRING IT BACK. WE STILL GOT A COMMENT. WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO APPROVE IT. AND AT THAT POINT IS WHEN IT GOES SET IN MOTION, ALL WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS JUST DIRECTING YOU GUYS UNDER THESE PARAMETERS TO GET SOME STUFF TOGETHER FOR US TO.

DO HAVE A CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS. WHEN YOU SAID THE MOTION TO TO APPROVE WHAT THE CITY ENGINEER AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING HAS.

IS THIS THE FOUR ON THE AGENDA ITEM OR THE ENTIRE PACKAGE? WOULD YOU SAY WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED, THE PACKAGE OF THE ITEMS THAT HE HAD THAT HAVE NOT STARTED, LIKE NOT THE SPINE ROAD, BUT THE THESE FOUR THAT ARE IN THE.

YES. OKAY. SO I WOULD ADD MORE, BUT I THINK THAT'S A GOOD START TO GET GOING.

I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE FOUR THAT WERE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED. SO THAT'S ALL I BROUGHT BACK TO YOU GUYS. AND I AGREE WITH ALL FOUR THOUGH.

I JUST WANT TO BRING UP THAT ON THE BRUSHY CREEK WASTEWATER INTERCEPTOR PHASE FOUR THAT HAS AN OCTOBER 2026 HARD DEADLINE.

CORRECT? CORRECT. SO AS I THINK AS MAYOR PRO TEM BROUGHT UP, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T GET IN THE WAY OF THAT, WHATEVER IS THE MOST EFFICIENT USE OF THE FUNDS AND DEPARTMENTS OF GETTING THAT DONE.

SO WE DON'T MISS THAT DEADLINE BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S A CRITICAL DEADLINE.

THE SECOND THING THE GATEWAY DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THAT IT MAKES THAT EDC NEED ON THE THE LIVE OAK BOTH THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE EXTENSION.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT CAN BE COMBINED? I MEAN I KNOW THAT ARE THEY ARE WE USING SEPARATE.

I KNOW THAT ONE HAS A DESIGN, ONE IS IN QUESTION, THE OTHER DESIGN IS IN QUESTION.

BUT IT SEEMS LIKE HAVING THOSE KIND OF DONE AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ANY TRAFFIC FLOW.

EXCUSE ME. WEST FROM EXCHANGE. IS THAT SOMETHING VIABLE THAT WOULD MAKE IT BETTER OR EASIER OR OR NOT NECESSARILY ANSWER THE QUESTION RIGHT NOW.

BUT BUT TO LOOK AT THAT IS SOME WAY WE CAN BE A PACKAGE THING FOR THROUGH THE EDC.

POTENTIALLY THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THE, THE ROUNDABOUT, LIKE I SAID, IS ALREADY 100% DESIGN.

WE'RE JUST DOING RIGHT OF WAY NEGOTIATIONS SO WE CAN ACTUALLY BID IT OUT, GET IT, GET IT CONSTRUCTION. AS I SHARED THE THE LIVE OAK EXTENSION WAS DESIGNED BY A PRIVATE FIRM HIRED BY A PRIVATE DEVELOPER.

AND SO WE HAVE NO RIGHTS TO THOSE PLANS, EVEN THOUGH I'M USING IT AS A FRAME OF REFERENCE.

AND SO THAT ONE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE STICKY TO GET THROUGH BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT ENGINEERING FIRM, TRY TO NEGOTIATE WITH SOMETHING WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR PLANS, MAYBE EVEN GET THEIR PLANS FROM THEM SO WE COULD GIVE IT TO A DIFFERENT ENGINEER. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULDN'T BE A GOOD IDEA TO TIE THEM TOGETHER THEN. AND THE LAST THING FROM THE EDC I THINK THAT WHAT I GOT OUT OF THE MEETING IS, IS THAT IS KIND OF START SLOW, LEARN AS WE GO AND DEVELOP THE POLICY.

AND THEN TO, TO REMAIN NIMBLE BY CREATING THIS POLICY THAT IS A LIVING DOCUMENT THROUGH EDC THROUGH THROUGH A CITY MANAGER STAFF. AND THEN THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ENGINEERING IS HOW DOES THAT EVOLVE AND LOOK LIKE? THE WHOLE PURPOSE IS, MAYOR SAID, IS TO GET SOMETHING QUICK, EFFICIENT AND AND COST EFFECTIVE.

AND I'M HAVING A PROBLEM IF A BID IS $1 MILLION MORE.

BUT IF WE'RE PULLING IN, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT CREATING EXTRA STAFF HOURS, STAFF WORK, DEBT SERVICE, WHATEVER. YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE $1 MILLION EXTRA BID, BUT WE ONLY, YOU KNOW, THREE QUARTERS OF THAT IS SAVED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND ALL THIS OTHER TIME TRYING TO GET IT GOING IN THE RIGHT TIME.

SO AS MAYOR SAID THAT THIS IS COMING BACK, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY DIRECTOR OF, OF OF EDC, YOU KNOW, HAS TONS OF INPUTS IN THIS AND YOU KNOW, WELCOME ALL OF THAT AND EDC, THE BOARD ITSELF.

SO I JUST THINK THIS IS THIS COULD BE A REALLY GREAT WAY OF DOING THINGS DIFFERENTLY.

BUT I MYSELF DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

SO WE RELY ON STAFF AND EXPERTISE OF WHAT THAT IS.

AND AND TALKING TO EDC LEGAL YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO COME WORK.

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THEY'RE ON BOARD WITH THIS. I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WANT TO DO OR WHAT THE EDC THE CITY WANTS TO DO, AND THEN WHAT CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO DO. SO IT'S JUST WE'RE ALL GOING TO LEARN AND GROW TOGETHER.

AND I'M REALLY I SPENT, I THINK, FOUR HOURS WITH MAYOR WITH THE CHAPMAN LAW SERVICE AND REALLY GOT WAS VERY EYE OPENING AND ENLIGHTENING, ENLIGHTENED ABOUT HOW WE CAN DO OUR CONTRACTS DIFFERENTLY AND THEN NOT EVEN LEVERAGING WHAT THE EDC, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS LIQUIDATED WITH PUNITIVE POSSIBILITIES THROUGH EDC BIDDING.

SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING, AND I THINK WE JUST ALL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER AND MAKE SOMETHING THAT WORKS, WORKS FOR EVERYBODY, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY WORKS FOR THE CITIZENS. SO THANK YOU.

SO MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH THIS HAS BEEN THE LOSS OF CONTROL FROM CITY COUNCIL.

RIGHT. AND JUST TURNING IT OVER TO THE EDC AND LETTING THEM, YOU KNOW, PICK WHOEVER THEY WANTED TO PICK.

THAT'S BEEN A BIG, BIG CONCERN TO ME. YOU KNOW, THESE ARE TAXPAYER DOLLARS THAT WE'RE ASKING TO TO GO OUT, AND THERE ARE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE FOR THAT. WHAT I'M HEARING IS MAYBE A KERNEL OF AN IDEA OF HOW TO GET AROUND THAT AND HOW TO PROTECT THAT.

BUT WHAT I'M HEARING A LOT OF IS I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT, COUNCIL, AND WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK AND BRING IT BACK, AND WE'LL HAVE TO FLESH IT OUT. AND WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE WHAT YOU MEAN BY THIS, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO APPROVE IT LATER. AND SO FOR ME, I CAN'T VOTE FOR THIS MOTION AS IT'S BEEN WORDED, BECAUSE I'M VERY RELUCTANT TO VOTE TO TURN FOUR PROJECTS OVER TO EDC WITHOUT A FLESHED OUT PROCESS. I THINK WE'RE DOING IT BACKWARDS, IN MY OPINION.

I THINK THAT WE NEED TO REMOVE THE PORTION OF THE MOTION THAT SAYS, LET'S TURN THE LET'S APPROVE THESE PROJECTS TO GO TO THE EDC, BECAUSE I CAN'T APPROVE PROJECTS TO GO TO THE EDC IF I DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS THAT THEY'RE BEING FOLLOWED.

AND I AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF US HAVE A FULL IDEA OF WHAT THAT MEANS.

AND EVEN IF WE DO, WE COULD BRING IT BACK AND THEN IT COULD CHANGE.

AND I AND, YOU KNOW, I'M LEANING TOWARDS. SOUNDS GOOD.

IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN RESOLVE THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE ABOUT PROTECTING THE TAXPAYER MONEY AND IF WE CAN GET IT DONE FASTER AND QUICKER AND MORE RELIABLE TIME, AND WE CAN HAVE MORE TEETH. THAT ALL SOUNDS GREAT TO ME, BUT I'M JUST I JUST I CAN'T VOTE TO TO TURN PROJECTS OVER TO THEM WITHOUT A PROCESS.

SO MAYOR THE, THE MOTION IS TO DIRECT THEM TO CREATE THE PROCESS FOR THE FOUR PROJECTS AND TO BRING IT BACK.

SO WE HAVE TO DIRECT THEM TO DO THE PROCESS IN ORDER TO HAVE YOUR PROCESS YOU WANT, YOU CAN VOTE AGAINST IT.

NO, BUT YOUR VOTING IS TO BRING A PROCESS BACK FOR THESE FOUR PROJECTS.

THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID. THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR MOTION WAS. THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR MOTION WAS.

YOUR MOTION WAS TO DIRECT STAFF TO TURN THESE FOUR PROJECTS OVER TO THE EDC AND THEN TO CREATE A PROCESS.

NOW, IF YOU WANT TO REWORD IT ANOTHER WAY, BUT, BUT BUT AGAIN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT.

BUT MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE LET'S HAVE A PROCESS THAT WE ALL AGREE TO, AND THAT'S VOTED UPON BY A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL THAT WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH.

AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE A PROCESS, THEN WE SAY, YEAH, IT'S NOT JUST THESE FOUR PROJECTS, IT'S TEN PROJECTS.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER MANY PROJECTS I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO TO OKAY, THE TRANSITION OF THE PROJECTS FIRST, WITHOUT A PROCESS TO CLARIFY, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT THE MOTION WAS TO CLARIFY THE MOTION? MAYOR PRO TEM, IF I CHANGE THE WORDS AROUND, IF WE MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO CREATE A PROCESS BASED ON WHAT WE OUTLINED HERE FOR THESE FOUR PROJECTS AND TO BRING THAT BACK.

IS THAT SUFFICE? CREATE A PROCESS FOR THE FOUR PROJECTS TO BRING BACK TO US, AND THE PROJECTS WON'T BE APPROVED TO TRANSITION TO THE EDC UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE PROCESS IS APPROVED.

THAT'S RIGHT. I MEAN, THAT KIND OF WHAT YOUR INTENTION IS.

WE'RE STILL NOT APPROVING FUNDING NO MATTER WHAT. SO CITY COUNCIL STILL HAS TO APPROVE THE FUNDING.

THERE IS TOTAL. THERE MAY BE A GOOD IDEA. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH IS IF IT IS A GOOD IDEA, YOU CAN'T ALWAYS VOTE FOR AN IDEA THAT GOT MY NAME ON IT SOMETIMES.

STOP. SO THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS WE'RE NOT WE CAN'T.

IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD CRAFT A PROCESS THAT WAS GOING TO WORK GOING FORWARD.

WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO DO THAT. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT.

AND THE BEST WAY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT IS TO WORK THROUGH IT ON A COUPLE OF PROJECTS THAT STILL HAVE TO GET APPROVED BY COUNCIL.

SO WE'RE NOT MONEY'S NOT GOING OFF AND BEING SPENT WILLY NILLY.

WE'VE GOT IT'S GOT TO COME BACK TO US AND WE HAVE TO APPROVE.

AND I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY I'M ON THE ADC, BUT YOU'RE NOT.

SO YOU HAVE TO SEE IT AND APPROVE THAT. OKAY, THIS THIS WAS DONE IN A MANNER THAT I CAN GET BEHIND.

AND I'M GOOD WITH SPENDING THIS MONEY. YOU STILL HAVE THAT VOTE COMING UP.

SEE. AND THAT'S WHAT. AND SO ONCE WE DO IT TO ME, SO ONCE WE DO IT CLEAR TO ME THAT IT IS GOING TO COME BACK TO ME AND THEN I'M WELL, IT HAS TO, IT HAS TO BECAUSE THERE'S NO APPROVAL FOR THE ADC TO GO SPEND MONEY ON THIS.

WE'RE JUST SAYING DO A PROCESS RIGHT NOW YOU CAN GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU HAVE.

I WANT TO TRUST YOU. WELL, OKAY. WELL. BUT I WANT TO SEE IT IN WRITING.

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I CAN'T SPEND THE MONEY UNTIL YOU VOTE TO APPROVE IT.

YOU KNOW THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS. NOW, YOU CAN GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU HAVE A DEFINED PROCESS, AND THE EDC CREATES A PROJECT, AND THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE PROJECT, AND THEN THAT ALLOWS FOR AN ONGOING THING.

BUT STILL, WE CAN'T SPEND CITY MONEY UNTIL WE APPROVE SENDING THE CITY MONEY TO EDC.

NOBODY'S SENDING MONEY. IT'S JUST DIRECTING THE PROCESS.

YEAH, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE DEVELOP A PROCESS AND WE LET 10 OR 12 GO.

NOW, I THINK WE NEED TO LEARN. AND THE LEARNING WITH ONE OR 2 OR 4 PROCESS PROJECTS ALLOWS US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT POLICY LOOKS LIKE.

AND AS AS EDC CHAIR SAYS, IS THAT YOU HAVE A FORM, A CONTRACT FORM THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE TO REDO FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL THING BECAUSE WE'RE LIMITED BY THE EDC ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING.

AND, AND AND THEN WE GET, YOU KNOW, GO SLOW, LEARN AND ADJUST THE POLICY AND AND THEN START OUT SMALL.

START SLOW. I DON'T WANT TO DEVELOP A POLICY IN 1 TO 3 MONTHS.

AND THEN WE GO THIS TURN 12 PROJECTS LOOSE. I DON'T THINK WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF STAFFING AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

AND, AND, AND WE COULD GO AWRY WITH, WITH JUST SOMETHING.

WHAT DO WE COME OUT IN THE NEXT 60 DAYS THAT'S GOING TO WORK FOR ALL DOZEN OF THESE PROJECTS.

SO RIGHT NOW THE EDC IS NOT STRUCTURED FOR A PROJECT DELIVERY.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE DIRECTION WOULD BE TO YOU GUYS.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING. THE DIRECTION IS TO GET YOURSELF STRUCTURED TO HANDLE THIS.

AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? THE WAY I AM FOLLOWING THIS IS THAT WE ARE TO OUTLINE A PROCESS BY WHICH I WOULD EFFECTIVELY BE WORKING FOR THE EDC TO DO THE CONTRACT MANAGEMENT DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION OVERSIGHT FOR THE PROJECTS THAT ARE GETTING HANDED OVER TO THE EDC TO BE COMPLETED USING THE PRIVATE ENTITY PROCESSES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE EDC THAT ARE NOT AVAILABLE TO THE CITY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS IT.

OKAY. AND YOU WOULD ALSO BE DESIGNING A PROCESS ON SELECTING BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE USING LIKE THE CITY'S PROCESS OF COMPETITIVE SEALED BIDS AND THEN GOING WITH THE THE LOWEST RESPONSIVE BIDDER.

WE WOULD BE USING SOME OTHER PROCESS TO SAY, HEY, EVEN THOUGH THESE ARE THE LOWEST PRICE, WE DON'T WANT THEM. WE WANT TO PAY A LITTLE BIT EXTRA MONEY BECAUSE WE FEEL THIS OTHER COMPANY CAN GET IT DONE QUICKER, MORE RELIABLY. IS THAT IS THAT ALSO PART OF WHAT THE MOTION IS? WHAT WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO AS PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO OUTLINE IS, IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THE BIDDING.

BECAUSE BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. AND TO THE MAYOR'S POINT AS WELL.

IF WE DO LOW BIDDING, WHICH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE ONLY DO LOWEST BID ON PROJECTS THAT ARE LESS THAN $1 MILLION.

WE DO COMPETITIVE, SEALED PROPOSALS ON PROJECTS THAT WE THINK ARE GOING TO BE OVER $1 MILLION.

HOWEVER, JUST LIKE WITH CONTRACTS, WE ARE LIMITED IN HOW WE CAN DO THOSE COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSALS.

HOWEVER, THE EDC AS A PRIVATE ENTITY, JUST LIKE AS ANY DEVELOPER, THEY DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THE SAME RULES THAT I HAVE TO FOLLOW AS A PUBLIC SECTOR ENGINEER, RIGHT? SO I'M LIMITED ON WHAT I CAN WRITE INTO A CONTRACT.

I'M LIMITED ON HOW I CAN IMPOSE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES.

I'M LIMITED ON HOW I CAN SELECT PEOPLE TO WORK FOR US, PRIVATE SECTOR.

ALL OF THOSE REGULATIONS GO AWAY. SO I KNOW WE SAID THAT THE MEGA SITE ROAD IS NOT A GOOD EXAMPLE, BUT I'M GOING TO USE IT ANYWAY. SO WITH THE MEGA SITE ROAD, WE KNEW WE HAD A VERY STRICT TIMELINE, SO WE DIDN'T FOLLOW THE TRADITIONAL COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSAL PROCESS THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE USED.

INSTEAD, WE WE SELECTED FOR. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, HIGHLY QUALIFIED FIRMS AND WE ASK EACH OF THEM TO SUBMIT THEIR OWN PROPOSAL FOR THAT PROJECT, INCLUDING THEIR SCHEDULE AND THEIR COSTS.

AND THEN WE AS A GROUP SAT DOWN AND EVALUATED THOSE FOUR INDEPENDENT SUBMITTALS, AND WE MADE A SELECTION ON WHO WE THOUGHT COULD GET THE JOB DONE FASTEST AND AT THE BEST PRICE FOR THE CITY. I DON'T THINK WE WENT WITH LOWEST PRICE.

I THINK WE ACTUALLY WENT WITH THE GUYS WHO SAID THEY COULD GET IT DONE THE FASTEST. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. AND SO THAT'S HOW WE ENDED UP WITH JORDAN FOSTER.

AND SO THE THE BIDDING PROCESS CAN BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

BUT I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ASKING US TO DO, IS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PROCESS WE WANT TO FOLLOW, AND THEN BRING THAT BACK TO YOU SO THAT YOU HAVE COMPLETE CLARITY ON WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING.

DID I CONVOLUTE THE QUESTION TOO MUCH BY RAMBLING? NO, I JUST I JUST KEEP GETTING BACK TO THE POINT THAT I'M.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT FULLY AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT RISKS ARE BEING INVOLVED, WHAT WHAT WHAT RISKS WE'RE GIVING UP AS GOING

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TO TO THIS NEW PROCESS. AND I DON'T KNOW, IT.

MAYBE IT'S JUST ME, MAYBE IT'S JUST MY DUMB HEAD, BUT I JUST, I, I'M REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE VOTING TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO THESE FOUR PROJECTS OR WE WANT TO DO THESE FOUR PROJECTS WITH THIS NEW PROCESS THAT WE HAVE NO CLUE HOW IT'S GOING TO GO YET.

IT'S JUST IT'S JUST IT JUST ME. AND MAYBE IT'S JUST WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'RE DOING THE FOUR PROJECTS.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYING. THAT'S NOT WHAT THE DIRECTION IS.

THE DIRECTION IS TO DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A PROCESS.

ACTUALLY, WE'RE GOING IN CIRCLES. I'LL JUST. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST LIKE I PERCEIVE MAYBE INCORRECTLY, SOME CONSTERNATION ON OUR DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE.

I'M NOT ASKING HER TO, BUT JUST TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS, PLEASE.

SURE. IN THE SPIRIT OF EXPEDIENCY, I DO THINK THAT THE PROCESS THAT WE FOLLOWED FOR THE SPINE ROAD IS A GOOD JUMPING OFF POINT.

SO I THINK MAYBE TO ADDRESS SOME OF COUNCILMEMBER GORDON'S CONCERNS, WE CAN BRING BACK AN EVALUATION ON THAT PROCESS AND THE PROS AND CONS OF HOW THAT PROCESS WENT VERSUS WHAT THE CITY CURRENTLY IS RESTRICTED TO.

SO YOU GUYS WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND MAKE THE SELECTIONS WITHIN THAT PROCESS.

THAT'S HOW I WOULD PROPOSE WE BRING IT BACK IS HERE'S WHAT WE'VE DONE WHEN THE EDC HANDLED A PROJECT PREVIOUSLY.

HERE'S WHAT FROM STAFF PERSPECTIVE WORKED WELL AND AND DID NOT.

IF THAT'S APPLICABLE. AND THEN IN WORKING MORE WITH MR. CHAPMAN AT THE LAW FIRM CITY ENGINEER, WE'LL FIGURE OUT IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS THAT HAVE BEEN DESCRIBED BY COUNCIL THAT THEY'RE HOPING FOR BY INSTITUTING A NEW PROCESS, WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL? IF YOU'RE ABLE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE TRANSPARENCY ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITHIN THE POLICY? I WANT TO SEE A PROCESS, RIGHT? I WANT TO, AND HOWEVER YOU PRESENT IT TO US IS GREAT.

AND IF YOU WANT TO USE THE SPINE ROAD AS KIND OF AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WORKED WELL AND WHAT DIDN'T WORK WELL AND HOW WE WANT TO DO IT, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM DIRECTING STAFF TO BRING BACK A PROCESS OF HOW WE CAN WE CAN FOLLOW IT THROUGH.

I JUST I JUST WANT ASSURANCE THAT WE'RE NOT THAT WE'RE NOT SAYING.

YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE MOVING THESE FOUR PROJECTS OVER AND SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S NOT THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M STILL WORRIED ABOUT.

AND JUST YEAH, I JUST IT, IT THE UNKNOWN IS IS WHAT KIND OF BOTHERS ME A LITTLE BIT WITH WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE OVERALL EFFECT OF THIS AND WHAT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GET OVER OUR SKIS TOO FAR AND SAY, HEY, THIS SOUNDS GREAT.

AND THEN WE REALLY KIND OF SCREW SOMETHING UP THAT WE DIDN'T.

IT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER. THAT CITY MANAGER SEEMS LIKE HE UNDERSTANDS BETTER THAN I DO, WHICH MAKES SENSE BECAUSE HE'S A LOT SMARTER THAN I AM.

THAT'S NOT THAT. YOU KNOW, THAT HE. HE KIND OF FEELS MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, HOW IT'S KIND OF BEEN EXPLAINED AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO. SO AS LONG AS I'VE GOT ASSURANCES WITH THIS, THIS MOTION THAT WE ARE NOT TURNING OVER PROJECTS OVER TO THE EDC YET, AND THAT WE'RE JUST ASKING YOU TO COME BACK WITH A PROCESS THEN I'M COMFORTABLE NOW.

SO THANK YOU, DIRECTOR GAMBOA. YEAH. THANK YOU.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER. GORDON.

AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCILMEMBER KING.

AYE. COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. A MAYOR SNYDER A COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS A.

MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO. NEXT TIME WE HAVE IS 12 FIVE.

[12.5. Discussion and Possible Action Regarding Inclusion of Employee Demographic Data in the City's Online Posting of Organizational Chart (Councilmember King)]

DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING INCLUSION OF EMPLOYEE DEMOGRAPHIC DATA IN THE CITY'S ONLINE POSTING OF ORGANIZATIONAL CHART.

ALL RIGHT. SO ON THE SIXTH CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM CITY MANAGER ASKING US TO CONSIDER AND DIRECT REGARDING ORG CHARTS AND WHAT COULD BE VOLUNTARY VERSUS WHAT COULD BE CONFIDENTIAL AS FAR AS RACE, AGE, SEX AND SO FORTH. AND LOOKING AT THE MY DIRECTION WAS IF NOBODY PUT ANYTHING ON THE MESSAGE BOARD THAT WE BRING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION DURING OUR COUNCIL MEETING.

AND SO HERE WE ARE. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER KING.

I WOULD JUST SAY EFFECTIVELY, IN SHORT, I DON'T THINK THIS REQUIRES A WHOLE LOT OF DISCUSSION.

IT'S JUST COUNCIL GAVE DIRECTION TO PRODUCE INFORMATION THAT THAT I TRIED TO PRODUCE AND THEN HIT A ROADBLOCK.

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SO NOW I'M COMING BACK TO COUNCIL EFFECTIVELY TO SAY IF IF THE DIRECTION REMAINS THAT THE COUNCIL'S DESIRE IS FOR US TO PUBLISH TWO OF THE FOUR ITEMS, IT WAS DATE OF HIRE, AGE, SEX AND RACE. I CAN PUBLISH AGE AND DATE OF HIRE, BUT AGE WASN'T PART OF IT.

OKAY, WELL, DATE OF HIRE THEN. I DID THINK IT WAS SO.

OKAY, SO THREE THINGS I CAN PUBLISH DATA HIRE THAT THAT'S NOT PROTECTED ANYWHERE, BUT THE ONLY PLACE THAT I HAVE ACCESS TO THE OTHER TWO CATEGORIES CURRENTLY IS ON THE VOLUNTARY EEOC FORM THAT THE EMPLOYEES CAN CHOOSE OR ELECT TO FILL OUT WHEN THEY ARE ONBOARDED.

AND THAT FORM CAN. THAT DATA ON THAT FORM CAN ONLY BE USED FOR EEOC PURPOSES.

AND THIS ISN'T ONE OF THOSE. SO THE REASON THAT THIS IS BACK BEFORE COUNCIL IS TO CLARIFY WHETHER YOU STILL WANT US TO TO MOVE TOWARD PRODUCING THAT INFORMATION IN THE ORG CHART, AND IF SO, THEN FOR ME TO INFORM COUNCIL, THEN IT WILL HAVE TO BE ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS, AND I WILL HAVE TO ASK THE STAFF TO VOLUNTARILY IDENTIFY THOSE TWO THINGS IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE INCLUDED.

THAT THAT'S BASICALLY ALL THIS IS. YEAH. AND THAT'S ALL I WOULD ASK THAT I THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ASK YOU TO DO IS I THINK EVERYTHING OUGHT TO BE VOLUNTARY.