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          THANK YOU. 
          UH, 
          [(EDC) Board Meeting/(CDC) Board Meeting on November 10, 2025.]
NOVEMBER 10TH, 2025. 
          THE TIME IS 6 31. 
          CALLING THIS HU ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING. 
          UH, DO I DO THIS? YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          , UM, ROLL CALL CHAIR CARLSON. 
          SECRETARY MORALES, PRESENT BOARD MEMBER SNYDER. 
          HERE. 
          BOARD MEMBER GONZALEZ. 
          PRESENT BOARD MEMBER THORNTON. 
          HERE. 
          BOARD MEMBER PORTERFIELD. 
          HERE. 
          BOARD MEMBER MORRIS HERE. 
          NOW, IF WE'LL RISE FOR THE PLEASURE OF OBEDIENCE PLEDGE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES, STATES OF AMERICA. 
          AND TO THE REPUBLIC, WHICH, WHICH NATION? NATION UNDER GOD IN JUSTICE ALL HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG FLAG. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD. 
          ONE AN INVIS. 
          UH, MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          NO ONE SIGNED UP. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MOVING ON TO ECONOMIC DIRECTOR'S REPORT, UPDATES ON CRITICAL PROJECTS INCLUDING MEGASITE, COTTONWOOD PROPERTIES, WILLIAMSON COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP, EVENT RECAPS AND UPCOMING EVENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, TRY TO KEEP THESE BRIEF 'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF UPCOMING EVENTS TO MAKE THE BOARD AWARE OF. 
          SO, UM, COUPLE QUICK HITS ON COTTONWOOD PROPERTIES. 
          WE'VE RECEIVED SOME REALLY STRONG INTEREST FROM A VARIETY OF DEVELOPMENT GROUPS, UH, AND TENANT REPRESENTATIVES. 
          SO MORE TO DISCUSS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT THAT CONTINUES TO BE, UM, A PRETTY STEADY STREAM OF, OF ACTIVE INTEREST THERE. 
          SO, UH, FOR THE WILCO EDP, WE GOT AN UPDATE ON THEIR MOST RECENT TRIP TO SOUTH KOREA. 
          THAT WAS, UH, MID OCTOBER, SO WE'LL HAVE NOTES AND FOLLOW UP PENDING THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. 
          THE NEXT TRIP BACK THERE WILL BE TO IN FEBRUARY FOR SEMICON. 
          UM, THEY ALSO SHARED THAT THERE SHOULD BE SEVERAL PROJECT ANNOUNCEMENTS THROUGHOUT WILCO TO CLOSE OUT THE CALENDAR YEAR. 
          UH, THEY'RE ALSO PROCEEDING WITH A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE GROUP. 
          UM, ALSO WANTED TO SHARE THAT THE CITY OF COPELAND JOINED THE WILCO EDP. 
          SO WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE A NEW COMMUNITY JOIN US. 
          UM, WE ALSO RECEIVED A PRESENTATION FROM THE COUNTY AUTO COUNTY AUDITOR'S OFFICE. 
          THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES TO THREE 12 ABATEMENT PROGRAMS, SO WE'LL BE REVIEWING THOSE IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS AND REACHING OUT WITH ANY QUESTIONS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STAYING, UH, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE AND, AND IN THE KNOW. 
          UM, WE ALSO RECEIVED A PRESENTATION FROM DMA TAX CONSULTANTS. 
          THEY ARE ONE OF THE TAX CONSULTANT GROUPS THAT ALSO SERVICE SITE SELECTORS. 
          SO THEY GAVE US A PRESENTATION JUST KIND OF ON SOME GENERAL SITE SELECTION CRITERIA. 
          UM, SOME DIFFERENT SECTORS THAT MAY BE OF INTEREST, ONE BEING BIOHEALTH AND SCIENCE. 
          SO, UM, WE'LL CONTINUE TO LEAN INTO THAT AND EXPLORE THOSE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. 
          UM, EVENT RECAPS. 
          UH, I WAS OUT IN DFW THE, LIKE NEXT TO LAST WEEK OF OCTOBER AT, UH, OKLAHOMA UNIVERSITY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INSTITUTE. 
          UM, EARNING SOME MORE CREDITS TOWARD THE CERTIFIED ECONOMIC DEVELOPER DEVELOPER CERTIFICATION TEST. 
          SO, UH, HAD REALLY GREAT SESSIONS THERE. 
          LEARNED A LOT ABOUT MARKETING AND ATTRACTION, AS WELL AS ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND ECONOMIC TRENDS. 
          SO I'M EXCITED TO DEBRIEF WITH THE TEAM AND SEE HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE SOME OF THAT KNOWLEDGE AND, UM, INTO OUR PROGRAMS AND WHAT WE BRING TO THIS BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          UH, MYSELF AND THE TEAM ALSO, WERE OUT, UH, AT SAN ANTONIO AT THE TEDC ANNUAL CONFERENCE AT THE END OF OCTOBER. 
          SO AGAIN, LOTS OF GREAT SESSIONS. 
          UM, AI  CONTINUES TO BE, UH, CONSISTENT TOPIC IN ALMOST EVERY CONFERENCE AND TRAINING THAT WE GO TO. 
          UM, AND THE IMPACTS OF THAT, OBVIOUSLY THE DATA CENTER DEMAND TO SUPPORT THAT GROWING INDUSTRY. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          WE HAD LAST WEEK, LAST WEDNESDAY, WE HAD AN ALL DAY EVENT CALLED PATHWAY TO POSSIBILITIES. 
          THAT WAS IN CONJUNCTION AND HOSTED BY THE HU AREA CHAMBER, ALONG WITH THE HU ISD AND WORKFORCE SOLUTIONS RURAL CAP. 
          UM, IT WAS A, WE HAD OVER 808TH GRADE STUDENTS FROM ALL THREE CAMPUSES. 
          THEY GOT TO EXPLORE A VARIETY OF INDUSTRIES AND HAD A LOT OF INDUSTRY PARTNERS REPRESENTED. 
          UH, THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS TO EXPOSE THESE STUDENTS TO THE VARIOUS OPTIONS AND GIVE THEM SOME ENGAGEMENT WITH THESE POTENTIAL EMPLOYERS. 
          UM, IN NINTH GRADE, THEY SELECT THEIR PATHWAY. 
          SO THIS IS TO HELP EXPOSE 'EM TO THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE A MORE INFORMED DECISION AS WELL. 
          UPCOMING EVENTS, UH, THIS WEDNESDAY IS THE CHAMBER LUNCHEON. 
          IT'S THEIR THANKSGIVING LUNCH. 
          IT'S AT 1130 AT U CHECK. 
          UM, THERE'S DETAILS FOR DONATIONS BEING SOUGHT BY VARIOUS COMMUNITY NONPROFITS, SO YOU 
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CAN CHECK THE CHAMBER'S WEBSITE AND SOCIALS FOR THOSE DETAILS. 
          THURSDAY MORNING AT 8:00 AM WE HAVE THE POWER BREAKFAST ALSO AT U CHECK. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE NECK, NO, THAT'S SAME DAY. 
          GOODNESS, VERY BUSY WEEK. 
          . 
          ALSO THURSDAY IN THE EVENING, WE HAVE THE CHAMBER'S DEVELOPER NETWORKING EVENT. 
          UM, IT'S AT FIVE O'CLOCK OVER AT THE HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS ON ED SCHMIDT AND I WILL BE SPEAKING AT THAT EVENT. 
          UH, WE HAVE OUR FINAL HEART OF HU AND OUR THREE PART SERIES ON NOVEMBER 18TH AT SIX O'CLOCK AT, UH, ONE 11 EAST FRIDAY THE 20TH. 
          AT 10:00 AM WE HAVE THE SPINE ROAD RIBBON CUTTING AND NAMING CEREMONY. 
          THAT INVITE WILL BE IN YOUR INBOXES SOON AND GO OUT TO OBVIOUSLY ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS AND FOLKS THAT HAVE, UH, BEEN A PART OF THAT PROJECT OR WILL BE IMPACTED BY THAT PROJECT AS WELL. 
          THEN, LET'S SEE, HOLIDAYS AND HU KICKS OFF ON SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 29TH. 
          THAT IS SHOP SMALL SATURDAY. 
          WE'LL HAVE THE DOWNTOWN TREE LIGHTING AND NEW COMPANION EVENT CALLED COCOA AND CAROL'S. 
          THAT'S HOSTED BY THE DOWNTOWN HU BUSINESS ASSOCIATION FROM FIVE TO EIGHT IN DOWNTOWN, UH, THE FOLLOWING WEEKEND, UH, THE 6TH OF DECEMBER, WE HAVE THE HOLIDAY MARKET AND DRONE SHOW OUT AT BRUSHY CREEK AMPHITHEATER FROM FIVE TO NINE. 
          AND OUR BELOVED CRAWL TICKETS ARE ON, ON SALE RIGHT NOW. 
          THEY ARE SELLING VERY, VERY QUICKLY AS THEY USUALLY DO SELL OUT. 
          THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR SATURDAY THE 13TH OF DECEMBER. 
          WE HAVE A NEW VIP ELEMENT, AND THAT'S A VIP HOUR FROM FIVE TO SIX. 
          AND THEN GENERAL ADMISSION WILL BE FROM SIX TO NINE. 
          THOSE EVENTS HAVE ALL BEEN CREATED AND CAN BE FOUND ON THE CITY'S SOCIAL PAGES AS WELL AS THE HU CONNECT CALENDAR. 
          THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS. 
          I HAVE ONE QUESTION OR COMMENT ON YOUR COMMENT. 
          CAN ANY OF THESE ITEMS BE PUT INTO THE CITY CALENDAR? I BELIEVE THEY ARE ON HU DO CONNECT. 
          UM, I MEANT LIKE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CHAMBER EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? CITY CALENDAR. 
          OH, YOUR OUTLOOK CALENDAR. 
          YEAH. 
          WE DON'T SPECIFICALLY GO IN AND INVITE RIGHT. 
          EVERYBODY TO THE THINGS, BUT IF YOU WANNA SEE WHAT'S AVAILABLE, I THINK THEY'RE ALL INCLUDED ON THE HU TO CONNECT. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN, THAT'S FINE. 
          ADD THOSE TO YOUR CALENDAR, I BELIEVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THROUGH THERE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, MOVING ON TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA ITEMS, UM, WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE, UH, CHAIR DON CARLSON IS NOT HERE TONIGHT. 
          UH, HE HAD AN ITEM 6.9. 
          UH, WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE MOVING THAT UP ON THE TOP OF THE LIST. 
          UM, I'M TOLD THAT HIS INTENTION WAS TO, UH, SUBMIT A NOMINATION, UH, FOR ME TO BE VICE CHAIR. 
          AND THEN I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD A NOMINATION TO THAT, IF THAT IS AN AGREEMENT WITH EVERYONE. 
          IF WE, IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH MOVING THAT UP ON THE AGENDA? I HAVE NO OPPOSITION. 
          OKAY. 
          DO I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE IT UP OR JUST SAY MM-HMM . 
          JUST ASK FOR ALL OPPOSITION IF THERE'S NONE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO IS ITEM 6.9. 
          UM, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING OFFICER APPOINTMENTS OF THE BOARD. 
          UM, THIS WAS DON CARLSON'S ITEM AND HIS, UH, MOTION WAS TO NOMINATE MYSELF, UH, KAITLYN MORALES AS VICE CHAIR SECOND. 
          IS THAT A MOTION? I GUESS . 
          WELL, I, I DUNNO IF YOU WANNA DO IT YOURSELF. 
          YES. 
          I WOULD THINK. 
          DOES IT HAVE, IT NEEDS TO BE SOMEONE ELSE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          I MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE. 
          UH, SEC. 
          WELL, KATE, UH, COMMISSIONER CAITLYN MORRIS AS VICE CHAIR, SECOND . 
          IT'S FINE. 
          WE GOT IT. 
          MOTION BY, UH, BOARD MEMBER MORRIS. 
          UH, SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER PORTERFIELD. 
          UM, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM BEFORE WE MOVE TO VOTE? OKAY. 
          MOVE TO, UH, VOTE. 
          TAKE VOTES. 
          SORRY. 
          BOARD MEMBER THORNTON AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER GONZALEZ. 
          AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER SNYDER. 
          AYE. 
          SECRETARY MORALES. 
          AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER MORRIS AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER BOARD FIELD. 
          AYE. 
          PASSES. 
          WHAT IS THAT? SIX ZERO MM-HMM . 
          SIX ZERO. 
          UM, WOULD LIKE TO ALSO MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE, UH, BOARD MEMBER GONZALEZ AS SECRETARY AND TREASURER. 
          I MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE, UH, SECRETARY, UH, EXCUSE ME. 
          MEMBER IRMA GONZALES. 
          HE, HE AS SECRETARY. 
          SHE JUST MADE THE MOTION. 
          HE MADE THE MOTION. 
          I THOUGHT SHE OH, BUT SHE CAN NOT HERSELF. 
          SO DO YOU SECOND THAT? SECOND? GOT IT. 
          UH, MOTION BY, UM, I JUST, VICE CHAIR MORALES. 
          UH, SECONDED BY , UH, BOARD MEMBER, 
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UH, MORRIS. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. 
          MOVE TO TAKE VOTES. 
          BOARD MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER MORRIS AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER SNYDER. 
          AYE. 
          VICE CHAIR MORALES AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER GONZALEZ. 
          AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER THORNTON. 
          AYE. 
          NOW I'M GONNA HAVE TO SWITCH EVERYBODY'S NAMES. 
          GIMME A SECOND. 
          I MAKE MOTIONS. 
          VICE CHAIR. 
          ALL IT IS IS TO PLEASE CALL THE VOTE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO MOVE. 
          JUST ASK PLEASE, PLEASE CALL TO VOTE. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          YOU'RE GONNA SAY, PLEASE. 
          THAT'S SO NICE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WILL SAY PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM SIX ONE. 
          DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON RESOLUTION R DASH HEDC DASH 2025 DASH 1 46. 
          TO APPROVE A $30,000 BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR CON CONSUL CONSULTING SERVICES FOR THE CREATION OF THE HU O TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE TURS FOUR, ALSO KNOWN AS THE HU SH ONE 30 TURS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THIS ITEM IS FAIRLY ROBUST IN THE AGENDA DESCRIPTION, BUT JUST FOR SOME MORE DETAIL. 
          CITY COUNCIL HAS AUTHORIZED THE CREATION OF A FOURTH TURS IN HU TO ENCOMPASS LAND ALONG SH ONE 30. 
          THIS AREA IS LARGELY UNDEVELOPED AT THIS TIME, BUT DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND ZONING SUPPORT A LARGE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS OPPORTUNITIES FOR NEW OR IMPROVED INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. 
          THE EDC CURRENTLY HAS $10,000 IN THE APPROVED FY 26 BUDGET FORTS CONSULTING. 
          WE'VE ENGAGED TXP AS THE CONSULTANT FOR THIS TURS. 
          UH, THEY ALSO PREVIOUSLY COMPLETED THE CREATION, UM, OFTS NUMBER THREE FOR HUDU. 
          THE COST FOR CREATING TURS FOUR IS EXPECTED TO BE $40,000. 
          SO THAT LEAVES US A DELTA OF THE 30,000 THAT'S BEING REQUESTED FOR A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR FY 26. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED. 
          SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? ANY DISCUSSION? VICE CHAIR? UM, JUST SO THE, UH, BOARD IS AWARE MM-HMM . 
          UH, IN THE PAST THREE TSS, UH, WHEN THOSE TS HAVE BEEN CREATED, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED A SEPARATE BILLING ACCOUNT FOR THE, ANY WORK THAT WE DO IN CONNECT WITH THE TS SO THAT IT COULD LATER BE PUT INTO THE REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM FOR THE, UH, THE BOARD TO BE REIMBURSED THOSE COSTS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND SO WE INTEND TO DO THAT UNLESS THERE'S ANY OBJECTION WITH REGARDS TO A A**L OR KEEPING THAT SEPARATE FOR, FOR THAT PURPOSE. 
          ANY OBJECTIONS TO HAVING THAT SEPARATE? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, NO DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM. 
          SO WE'LL PLEASE CALL TO VOTE. 
          WAS THAT PLEASE CALL TO VOTE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. 
          , VICE CHAIR MORALES AYE. 
          SECRETARY GONZALEZ. 
          AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER SNYDER. 
          AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER THORNTON AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER REPORTER FIELD. 
          AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER MORRIS AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SIX ZERO. 
          UH, MOVING TO ITEM SIX TWO, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION TO APPROVE THE CORPORATION'S MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORT FOR OCTOBER, 2025. 
          HI, GOOD EVENING BOARD. 
          CHRISTINA BISHOP, ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY. 
          UH, TONIGHT YOU HAVE THE OCTOBER FINANCIALS ON THE AGENDA. 
          IT'S THE FIRST MONTH OF THE FISCAL YEAR, UH, ROUTINE MONTH IN A LOT OF WAYS. 
          UH, YOUR REVENUES WERE SALES, TAXES, INTEREST, AND AN OPTION PAYMENT. 
          THOSE OCCUR EVERY SINGLE MONTH. 
          YOUR EXPENDITURES WERE YOUR MONTHLY EXPENDITURES. 
          YOU HAD, UH, ATTORNEY SERVICES. 
          YOU HAD, UM, AN ANNUAL PAYMENTS FOR PLACER AI. 
          IT'S A SOFTWARE USED BY THE CORPORATION AND, UM, A LOAN INTEREST PAYMENT WITH ALLIANCE BANK. 
          ONE THING I DO WANNA NOTE IS THAT IF YOU LOOK ON YOUR, UH, BUDGET REPORT FOR LOAN INTEREST, UH, YOU DID ADOPT A BUDGET FOR THAT LINE ITEM, BUT IT DIDN'T PULL INTO OUR FINANCIAL SOFTWARE. 
          SO THERE IS A BUDGET THERE. 
          IT WILL BE REFLECTED NEXT MONTH. 
          UH, SO THAT WAS JUST A, AN ADMINISTRATIVE ERROR. 
          UH, REGARDLESS, UH, I KNOW THAT, UH, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF THAT LOAN BEING RESTRUCTURED, UH, SOMETIME SOON. 
          SO, UH, THAT LOAN PRINCIPLE AND INTEREST PAYMENT LINE MAY CHANGE. 
          UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANNA NOTE IS THAT, UH, PAYMENT IS BEING PREPARED FOR, UM, THE NQ TWO INCENTIVE AGREEMENT. 
          UH, I SENT THAT OUT TO THE BOARD EARLIER OR LAST WEEK. 
          UH, THAT PAYMENT IS $404,000. 
          THAT REPRESENTS 21 MONTHS OF REIMBURSEMENT. 
          UH, GOING FORWARD. 
          PAYMENT WILL BE ISSUED EVERY SIX MONTHS IN, UH, SEPTEMBER AND MARCH. 
          UH, AS A 
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REMINDER, THERE ARE TWO PIECES TO THIS AGREEMENT. 
          ONE IS THE GRANT FUNDS, WHICH ARE ISSUED SEPARATELY. 
          THAT'S $4 MILLION OVER 12 YEARS, AS LONG AS THEY MEET CERTAIN MILESTONES. 
          AND THEN THE SALES TAX, UH, REIMBURSEMENT PIECE IS, UH, SPLIT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE EDC. 
          THAT SALES TAX REIMBURSEMENT IS NOT TO EXCEED $5 MILLION OVER 12 YEARS. 
          UM, WE ARE NEARING THE SECOND YEAR OF COMPLETION. 
          AND RIGHT NOW YOU ARE RE UH, CITY AND EDC ARE REIMBURSING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEIR SHARE OF THAT AGREEMENT. 
          THAT GRADUALLY DECREASES. 
          SO I THINK NEXT YEAR IT STARTS GOING DOWN TO 90%. 
          UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR FINANCIALS TONIGHT. 
          SO, UH, HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THE FINANCIALS? CAN WE KEEP TRACK OF THE, WHAT WE'VE PAID TO DATE DURING THE, UM, I GUESS THE LIFE OF THE AGREEMENT SO THAT WE KNOW IN A FEW YEARS HOW MUCH TIME WE HAVE LEFT? YEAH, I CAN ACTUALLY ADD THAT AS A RECURRING REPORT IN THE MONTHLY FINANCIALS. 
          THANKS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          TYPICALLY WE DO DO A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          JUST MOTION TO CONSISTENCY? YEAH. 
          FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE CORPORATION'S MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORT FOR OCTOBER, 2025. 
          SECOND IN DISCUSSION, YOU PLEASE CALL A VOTE BOARD MEMBER MORRIS AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER THORNTON AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER SNYDER AYE. 
          SECRETARY GONZALEZ. 
          AYE. 
          VICE CHAIR MORALES AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO. 
          MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEMS SIX THREE. 
          DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ENGAGING THE JEFF CHAPMAN FIRM AS SPECIAL COUNSEL TO ASSIST THE CORPORATION'S GENERAL COUNSEL WITH CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT PREPARATION FOR THE CORPORATION PROJECTS INITIATED BY THE CITY OR BY THE CORPORATION WITH AN ENGAGEMENT AGREEMENT APPROVED AS TO FORM BY THE CORPORATION'S GENERAL COUNSEL BOARD. 
          UH, JEFF CHAPMAN AND I HAVE BEEN COLLEAGUES FOR ABOUT 15 TO 20 YEARS. 
          WE'VE WORKED COLLABORATIVELY ON A NUMBER OF PROJECTS, BOTH LITIGATION ISSUES AND LITIGATION AVOIDANCE ISSUES SUCH AS THIS ONE. 
          UH, AND SO, UH, WHEN THE, UH, OPPORTUNITY CAME UP TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, UH, WE FELT THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, IN THE BEST INTEREST WITH THE, UH, INTEREST OF ACCELERATING OUR PROJECTS AND TO, UM, UH, TIGHTENING THE, ANY OF THOSE, UH, CONCERNS UP. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO COLLABORATE WITH THE CHAPMAN FIRM AND, UH, AND DO SO IN ORDER TO, UM, EXPEDITE OUR, OUR PROCESSES FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT WILL BE COMING FROM THE CITY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO WE, WE ENCOURAGE THE BOARD TO APPROVE THIS ITEM. 
          STAFF HAS A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT. 
          ALSO, THERE'S BEEN, I THINK I SHARED A PRETTY LENGTHY EMAIL COMMUNICATION. 
          IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY WHICH LEGAL COUNSEL IS ENGAGING MR. CHAPMAN SO THAT WE AREN'T BOTH ENGAGING I BOTH BEING ED, C AND C. 
          UM, SO AFTER REVIEWING ALL OF THAT IN INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATION, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT FORM OR TEMPLATE CONTRACTS BE CREATED BY EDC LEGAL AND HAVE MR. CHAPMAN REVIEW FOR ANY ADDITIONS PER HIS EXPERTISE. 
          UM, I FEEL THAT THAT LEVERAGES OUR CURRENT LEGAL COUNSEL AND IS FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE SO THAT WE ARE NOT, UM, INCURRING UNNECESSARY CHARGES FOR SPECIAL COUNSEL. 
          UM, AND ALSO CREATING THE TEMPLATE CONTRACTS MEANS THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO UPDATE THOSE FAIRLY EASILY AND QUICKLY VERSUS HAVING NEW CONTRACTS WITH EVERY SINGLE PROJECT. 
          SO THAT HELPS WITH THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, BUT ALSO THE EFFICIENCY WHICH IS BEING SOUGHT BY THE CITY AND THE BOARD WITH REGARD TO THESE PROJECTS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND JUST TO CLARIFY, SO WE'RE, FROM READING THE EMAIL, WE WOULD BE TAKING THE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS THAT MATT PROVIDED, UM, AS THE STARTING POINT RATHER THAN USING JEFF'S DOCUMENTS THAT HE SUGGESTED. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING FROM MR. CHAPMAN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT HE'S PROVIDED DOCUMENTS AS OF YET. 
          I THINK CITY ENGINEER HAD PROVIDED UPDATED CONTRACT DOCUMENTS. 
          THOSE HAVE NOW BEEN SHARED WITH LEGAL, I BELIEVE FOR CITY AND EDC. 
          MY THOUGHT HERE IS THAT THIS BOARD SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE ACTION TO SPECIFY, BECAUSE THESE ARE GONNA BE EDC CONTRACTS, NOT CITY CONTRACTS. 
          SO IT DOESN'T MAKE GOOD SENSE FOR CITY LEGAL TO BE REVIEWING THEM. 
          AND THEN ALSO , EDC LEGAL HAVING TO DO IT AFTER THAT ANYWAY. 
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SO TO CONSOLIDATE, UM, CURRENTLY EDC LEGAL IS REVIEWING THE CONTRACTS, THE UPDATED CONTRACTS FROM CITY ENGINEER. 
          ONCE EDC LEGAL HAS REVISED AND ADDED ANY EDC PERTINENT ITEMS AND PROVIDED RECOMMENDATION FOR ACHIEVING THE DESIRED RESULT OF EFFICIENCY AND EXPEDIENCY, THEN WE WOULD ENGAGE MR. CHAPMAN TO DO AN ADDITIONAL REVIEW AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE BOARD TO ADOPT INTO THEIR TEMPLATE DOCUMENTS TEMPLATE, UH, CONTRACTS. 
          UM, I'M A TIMEFRAME THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE, I MEAN, I LIKE TO HAVE 'EM TO YOU GUYS AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING MM-HMM . 
          SO WITHIN A MONTH MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          SO NOT A PROBLEM ON OUR SIDE. 
          SO THE IDEA IS JEFF WILL JUST LOOK OVER THE EDC CONTRACTS AND THEN MAKE SUGGESTIONS, MAKE SUGGESTIONS PRIOR TO THE TEMPLATES BEING ADOPTED. 
          YES. 
          SO THAT WAY WE'RE CAPTURING HIS EXPERTISE IN THE TEMPLATED DOCUMENTS. 
          AND THEN THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK FOR SPECIAL REVIEW EVERY TIME WE ENGAGE IN A PROJECT. 
          JEFF, UNLESS THERE'S A ADDITIONAL QUESTION, JEFF, THE CHARGE MORE THAN WE DO. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, AND, AND, AND IT'S, IT'S A MORE COST EFFECTIVE MANNER TO DO IT THAT WAY. 
          ALSO, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE BOTH COLLABORATE ON. 
          FOR INSTANCE, JUST TODAY THERE WAS AN EMAIL DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY THAT IN 2017, THE ROSENBERG ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION ATTEMPTED TO OBTAIN CONTRACTUAL IMMUNITY LIKE OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES. 
          AND, UH, I LITIGATED THAT FOR THE ROSENBERG DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. 
          AND IT WENT BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN YES AND NO UNTIL WE GOT TO THE SUPREME COURT. 
          AND ULTIMATELY THE SUPREME COURT'S DECISION WAS NO, THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE CONTRACTUAL IMMUNITY AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NONPROFIT CORPORATION. 
          AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT TAUGHT ME FROM 2017 ON IS THAT WHEN WE START WORKING ON INFRASTRUCTURE CONTRACTS, THAT WE SHOULD BE INCLUDING THE SAME PROVISIONS THAT ARE AUTOMATICALLY APPLIED TO A CITY CONTRACT BY LAW TO OUR CONTRACTS AS TERMS OF THE CONTRACT. 
          AND IF THERE IS A CONCERN WITH THAT, THAT MY, MY RESPONSE IS, WELL, EVERY TIME YOU ADOPT A CITY CONTRACT, THESE AUTOMATICALLY APPLY. 
          SO THIS SHOULDN'T BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE SAME OBLIGATIONS THAT YOU ACCEPT EVERY TIME YOU HAD TAUGHT YOU YOU ACCEPT A CITY CONTRACT. 
          SO, UM, AND THEN THAT WAY YOU ESSENTIALLY BY STATUTORY, OR BY BY CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT, HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF IMMUNITY TYPE PROTECTIONS FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF DAMAGES, AS WELL AS TO ENSURE THE CONTRACT WAS PROPERLY EXECUTED AND SO FORTH, UM, IN, IN ORDER BEFORE YOU CAN BE SUED FOR IT. 
          AND SO, UH, WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO MIRROR AS MANY OF THE BENEFITS THAT THE CITY GETS, UH, THROUGH CONTRACTUAL DESIGN INSTEAD OF STATUTORY, UH, APPLICATION. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK HAVING A TEMPLATE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR CONSISTENCY, BUT MY MOST IMPORTANT THING WAS MAKING SURE THAT MATT IS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN WHAT IS IN THAT BECAUSE ONLY HE KNOWS WHAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          UM, SO RATHER THAN USING SOMEONE ELSE'S TEMPLATE, I GUESS THE, THE ONE OTHER, UM, QUESTION I WOULD HAVE FOR THE BOARD IN THIS REGARD IS THAT THERE, THERE WAS SOME, I GUESS EITHER, UM, MISUNDERSTANDING, AND IT MAY BE ON MY PART WITH REGARDS TO, UH, THE MANNER IN WHICH YOU WANT TO, UH, OBTAIN BIDS FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          UH, SO THE CITY UNDER THE FEDERAL OR THE STATE PROCUREMENT REQUIREMENTS HAS CERTAIN OBLIGATIONS TO POST NOTICE IN A NEWSPAPER FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYBODY TO BID ON THESE PROJECTS. 
          THEN THERE HAS TO BE AN OPENING OF THOSE BIDS AT A PUBLIC PLACE, AT A PUB, YOU KNOW, LIKE A, A PUBLIC EVENT. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, BIDS HAVE TO BE COMPARED TO THE SPECIFIC, OR THE, THE PROPOSALS HAVE TO BE, BE COMPARED TO THE SPECIFIC TERMS OF THE BID. 
          AND THERE'S A, A GREAT DEAL OF CASE LAW WITH REGARDS TO WHETHER HOW THAT OPERATES. 
          UM, THOSE RULES AND STANDARDS GENERALLY DO NOT APPLY TO THIS CORPORATION BECAUSE WE'RE NONPROFIT. 
          AND SO IF THERE ARE SOME, WHAT I'LL CALL, I CALL FAVORED NATIONS, IF THERE ARE, UH, INDIVIDUAL ORGANIZATIONS OR CO COMPANIES THAT HAVE DEMONSTRATED, UH, QUALITY AND QUANTITY AND AND CONTRACTING PR PROWESS FOR THE CITY OF HUDU, THAT THE, THAT CAN BE A SHORT LIST THAT WOULD OVER, OR WHICH YOU WOULD NOT NEED TO NECESSARILY JUST PUT, GO THROUGH THIS MECHANICS THAT TAKES 60 TO 90 DAYS TO BID SOMETHING OUT AND TO GET A CONTRACT. 
          UM, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE SECTION OF MATT'S PREDICTION, WHICH IS THE PROCUREMENT SECTION. 
          IT'S CALLED THE FRONT END DOCUMENTATION FOR PURPOSES OF THESE PROJECTS. 
          AND THAT WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY. 
          AND IT MAKES IT MUCH MORE STREAMLINED WITHOUT THAT, WHICH IS ONE OF THE SPECIFIC REASONS WHY AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION 
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IS NOT A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH PROCUREMENT. 
          SO THEY CAN WORK QUICKLY TO, TO GET PROJECTS MOVING. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROCESS, KNOW THE SCOPE OF DOCUMENTS THAT YOU WANT US TO WORK ON SO THAT WE'RE NOT WORKING ON A BUNCH OF PROCUREMENT MATERIALS THAT REALLY DON'T APPLY TO YOU UNLESS THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. 
          'CAUSE YOU CAN DO IT EXACTLY THE SAME WAY THE CITY IF YOU WANT TO. 
          IT'S JUST YOU'RE, THEY'RE STATUTORILY REQUIRED TO. 
          YOU CAN DO IT BY CHOICE OR NOT. 
          I WON'T SPEAK FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT I'LL GIVE MY INTERPRETATION OF WHAT OUR DISCUSSION WAS. 
          THERE IS A EXTREME CONCERN THAT WE WOULD DO JUST WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          AND THAT'S NOT THE DIRECTION. 
          I BELIEVE THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS US TO TAKE THE, THE DIRECTION AND OTHER BOARD MEMBERS CAN SPEAK UP THEIR INTERPRETATION OF THINGS. 
          BUT THE GOAL THAT'S TRYING TO BE SET IS THAT RIGHT NOW, AND MATT CAN COME UP AND, AND FEEL FREE TO RAISE YOUR HAND AS SOON AS I GOT THIS WRONG, WE'VE HAD SOME KIND OF ISSUE TO WHERE WE, WE HAVE CONTRACTS AND WE'RE HELD TO SOME SORT OF PUBLIC LAW THAT A PRIVATE COMPANY DOES NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW. 
          WHETHER THAT BE BIDDING, PICKING PEOPLE, HOLDING PEOPLE TO THE FIRE, OR JUST WALKING IN AND FIRING 'EM BECAUSE WE'RE, WE DON'T LIKE HIM. 
          SOMEHOW THE CITY'S HAND HANDS ARE SOMEWHAT HANDCUFFED. 
          AND SO WE WERE AT A BOARD MEMBER, MORRIS AND I WERE AT A DEAL, AND I'M SITTING THERE, I'M JUST LIKE, AND, AND BASICALLY JEFF SAYS, OUR CONTRACTS ARE TERRIBLE TO PUT IT POLITELY. 
          AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE TO DO WORK? LIKE WE HAVE A SIGNAL INNOVATION IN LIMMER. 
          WE APPROVED THAT BID IN MARCH AND HERE IT IS IN NOVEMBER AND THEY MIGHT GET IT DONE BY FEBRUARY, I THINK, OR JANUARY. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID. 
          JANUARY. 
          AND SO JUST UNACCEPTABLE. 
          AND I WAS LIKE, JEFF, I DON'T DEAL WITH THIS AT WORK. 
          LIKE AT WORK YOU'VE GOT 26 WEEKS TO DO SOMETHING. 
          PEOPLE ARE WORKING MIDNIGHTS, THEY'LL WORK CHRISTMAS. 
          THEY HIT THEIR DEADLINE AND HE KEPT SAYING, IT'S A PUBLIC ISSUE. 
          IT'S A PUBLIC BIDDING. 
          PUBLIC BIDDING. 
          AND SO WE FINALLY FIGURED OUT THAT I'M THINKING PUBLIC, LIKE NOT LIKE A PUBLIC ENTITY, PUBLIC, LIKE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          HE WAS LIKE, NO, PRIVATE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS. 
          AND SO WE TALKED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND SHE SAID, YEAH, THE EDC IS PRIVATE. 
          SO ANY IDEA WAS BORN. 
          IF WE BASICALLY TAKE OUR SAME DEPARTMENT, WE'RE WANTING THE SAME STAFF. 
          LIKE WE DON'T WANT CHENEY INVOLVED IN THIS. 
          WE WANT THE SAME PROCUREMENT PEOPLE, THE SAME ENGINEERS, THE SAME PROCESS. 
          WE JUST WANT A DIFFERENT ENTITY NAME. 
          INSTEAD OF IT SAYING CITY OF HUDU, WHICH TRIGGERS ALL THESE PUBLIC RULES, WE WANT IT TO SAY HUDU, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, WHATEVER. 
          IT'S GOTTA SAY, WHICH TRIGGERS THEM, GIVES US THE RIGHTS OF THE PRIVATE BUSINESSES. 
          BUT THE FEAR IS, IS THAT ON COUNCIL, I BELIEVE ON SOME, MAYBE ALL OF US, OR THE EXPECTATION IS, IS WE WILL BID EVERYTHING OUT. 
          WE WILL PUSH, WE WON'T ALWAYS GO FOR THE CHEAPEST PERSON. 
          WE'LL GO FOR MAYBE THE ONE THAT HAS THE BEST TRACK RECORD LIKE YOU SUGGESTED, BUT THERE WOULD AT LEAST BE A, A BIDDING PROCESS WHERE EVERY COMPANY HAS AN INVOLVEMENT, HAS THE ABILITY TO DO IT. 
          AND WE KNOW WE MAY NOT HAVE THE CHEAPER, BUT WE WANT THE ENFORCEMENT POWERS. 
          I I THINK IF WE GO ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT, THEN I KNOW YOU WON'T HAVE UNANIMOUS SUPPORT. 
          I CAN PRETTY MUCH SAY YOU WON'T HAVE UNANIMOUS SUPPORT OF THE COUNCIL TO PROCEED WITH THIS. 
          THE OTHER THING IS, I'D SAY, I REALLY THINK BECAUSE OF ALL THAT, YOU REALLY DO NEED A CITY ATTORNEY TO BE INVOLVED. 
          UM, BECAUSE WITHOUT HER, THEN THE ARGUMENT ON THE CITY COUNCIL SIDE'S GONNA BE, WELL, YOU WANT US, WE HAD THIS WITH THE SPINE ROAD. 
          WELL, THE EDC APPROVED A CONTRACT. 
          THE CITY SAID THEY'D PAY FOR IT. 
          AND THEN IT TOOK ABOUT FOUR MONTHS TO GET A COPY OF THE CONTRACT FROM THE CITY COUNCIL SIDE BECAUSE, WELL, IT'S, IT'S A EDC THING. 
          AND THERE'S A PERCEPTION OR THERE'S A THOUGHT ON SOME ON THE COUNCIL THAT IF THE CITY AND THE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR IT, THEN THEY, THEN EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS HAS A RIGHT TO SEE EVERYTHING AND BE INVOLVED. 
          SO I THINK TO SUM IT ALL UP, I THINK WHAT WE'RE HOPING FOR, AND BOARD MEMBER THORNTON, ANY Y'ALL CAN TELL ME WHERE I'M RIGHT OR WRONG, IS THAT, UM, WE FOLLOW, WE USE ALL THE SAME PEOPLE AT THE CITY. 
          WE FOLLOW ALL THE BIDDING, UNLESS IT'S AN EMERGENCY. 
          WE, WE BID EVERYTHING OUT FOR 60 OR 90 DAYS, UM, WITH THE HOPE THAT WE, WE DRIVE A BETTER DEAL AND GET MORE TEETH. 
          AND THEN WE INCLUDE ALL CITY STAFF THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE INVOLVED IN IT, WHICH IS A NIGHTMARE. 
          'CAUSE YOU GOT THREE ATTORNEYS ALL COMING TOGETHER IN A DOCUMENT. 
          BUT I'M HOPING FROM THE CITY SIDE, THEY'RE JUST SAYING, YES, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES ON THE CITY SIDE. 
          GEORGE IS SAYING ON ED SIDE, EDC SIDE, THIS ISN'T BREAKING ANY EDC LAWS. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE CHAPMAN OVER HERE SAYING, HERE'S ALL THE STUFF YOU CAN PUT IN TO HOLD DEFEAT TO THE FIRE. 
          I THINK IF WE DON'T HAVE ALL THAT, I THINK WE'RE GONNA START LOSING COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          NOW, MAYBE IT'S A FIVE TWO, BUT I'M REALLY HOPING THIS BEING A NEW THING THAT WE'RE DOING IT IN A UNISON. 
          BUT YOU GUYS CORRECT ME IF I GOT PART OF THE VISION WRONG OR 
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ANYTHING. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I WOULD SAY WE'RE MOSTLY INTERESTED IN SPEEDING UP THE EXECUTION AND IN IMPROVING THE ACCOUNTABILITY WHEN THEY DON'T EXECUTE, WHICH WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH ON THE CITY SIDE. 
          BUT WE'RE WANTING ALL OF THE PROTECTIONS FOR THE CITY THAT WE CAN STILL HAVE IN THERE. 
          AND WE'RE WANTING PROTECTIONS FOR THE TAXPAYERS AND THE PUBLIC THAT YOU GET FROM THE PROCUREMENT SIDE. 
          TRUE TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE STREAMLINED WITHOUT CHANGING THE NET EFFECT OF HOW IT WORKS, AND THAT CAN BE PRESENTED IN A WAY THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS AND ACCEPTS THAT MIGHT BE OKAY IF YOU COULD SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. 
          BUT IF YOU SAVE TIME AT THE EXPENSE OF NOT HAVING A PROCESS THAT THE PUBLIC CAN BELIEVE IN, THEN WE, THEN THAT'S NOT WHERE I WANT TO GO. 
          SURE. 
          SO FOR INSTANCE, UM, I MEAN THE, THE BOARD COULD, UH, ADOPT A BID BOARD LIST AND ALL OF YOUR CONTRACTS ARE GONNA BE PUT ON THESE BIG BID BOARDS AND ANYONE HAS ACCESS TO THE BID BOARDS THAT WANT TO BID ON THINGS THEY CAN GO THROUGH. 
          THEY GO THROUGH THOSE TYPICALLY, MOST COMPANIES HAVE THOSE, YOU KNOW, ALREADY, YOU KNOW, FAVORITED ON THEIR INTERNET MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND SO THEN IF YOU DID THAT, THEN PEOPLE WOULD KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. 
          THEY WOULD ALWAYS BE PUBLIC, BUT YET YOU'RE STILL NOT GETTING INTO THE, THE THINGS THAT SLOW YOU DOWN OUT OF THE PROCUREMENT PROVISION. 
          SO WE COULD LIKELY WORK ON TRYING TO FIND KIND OF THE FAST TRACK TICKET FOR Y'ALL TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE CAN TAKE THE GOOD THINGS THAT MAKE IT PUBLICLY TRANSPARENT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE, THE THINGS THAT, THAT CREATE THE, THE DOWNSIDE WITH REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, DID YOU OPEN THESE PUBLICLY OR DID YOU NOT OPEN THESE PUBLICLY? OR, OR CAN YOU OPEN THEM ON A VIDEO ZOOM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S LIKE ONE OF THOSE CAN YOU BACKGROUND? YEAH. 
          ONE OF THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THE PUBLIC PART OF IT THAT WE'RE GETTING AWAY FROM. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T COME UP AND ALL OF A SUDDEN EDC SAYS, HEY, WE GOT THIS CONTRACTOR, THEY DID A BANG UP JOB LAST DEAL, LET'S JUST AWARD IT TO THEM. 
          LEGALLY WE CAN DO THAT. 
          RIGHT? BUT THE COUNCIL IS NOT GONNA BE ACCEPTING OF THAT AND WE'LL YANK ANYTHING AWAY. 
          SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE STILL ARE THROWING IT OUT ON WHATEVER WE USE AT THE CITY BID BOARD OR BUYBOARD OR CIV CAST. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND IF WE WANNA DO BID BOARD CIV CAST AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND THROW IT OUT THERE AND IT'S OUT THERE FOR 60 DAYS AND WE'RE PROMOTING EVERYWHERE, THAT I THINK IS WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS GONNA EXPECT. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC PARTS OF THE LAW THAT YOU HAVE TO OPEN IT UP ON A CAMERA AND ALL THAT, WE'RE NOT, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS AN INTEREST IN THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF, OF UM, CONSISTENCY AND CONFIDENCE, UH, I WOULD, UH, SUGGEST THE BOARD CONSIDER THIS ORGANIZATION ISSUE A POLICY, AN INFRASTRUCTURE CONTRACT POLICY THAT WOULD SET FORTH THOSE PROCESSES SO THAT, UH, WE FOLLOW OUR OWN RULES FROM FROM DIFFERENT BOARDS TO THE NEXT BOARDS TO THE NEXT BOARD SO THAT THIS, THIS CAN MAINTAIN IT. 
          IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT'S BAKED INTO THE CONTRACTS, BUT THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAYS, THIS IS THE WAY WE DO IT. 
          UH, AND SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          AND ALL I WOULD ASK IS THAT THAT IS BEING BROUGHT BACK FROM THE CITY SIDE AND MY GUESS IS THE CITY COUNCIL IS GONNA WANT WHATEVER POLICY THE EDC DOES TO BE PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL'S DOING. 
          UM, SO AS SOON AS WE GET THAT BACK AND PASS THAT, THEN I THINK IT'D BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE EDC TO LOOK AT IT AND GO, IS THIS ACCEPTABLE TO US? AND IF IT IS WITH A COUPLE TWEAKS, WE DO THAT. 
          AND IN THAT WAY WE'RE ALL IN ALIGNMENT. 
          'CAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANNA SEE IS COUNCIL'S GOT ONE WAY, EDCS GOT ANOTHER WAY, AND THEN MATT IS GOING, YOU GUYS ARE KILLING ME HERE BECAUSE I'M GETTING TUGGED. 
          UM, AND I THINK IS THAT COMING TO THE COUNCIL THE NEXT MEETING, THE PROCESS? OR DO YOU KNOW, UH, FOR THE RECORD, MATT RECTOR OF CITY ENGINEER SLASH EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE SLASH I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE OVER EDC, HE KNOWS ALL THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          ET UM, I, WE JUST WENT OVER THE AGENDA THIS MORNING. 
          IT WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU COULDN'T PUSH TO HAVE IT ADDED TO THE AGENDA. 
          I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN A CONVERSATION BETWEEN, UH, YOUR, YOUR DIRECTOR AND CITY MANAGER AND MYSELF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE WHERE ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES GO AND, AND WHAT THE ORDER OF OUR OPERATIONS IS GONNA BE AND HOW WE'RE GONNA APPEASE THE CITY COUNCIL, HOW WE'RE GONNA APPEASE THE EDC, HOW WE'RE GONNA DO ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          BUT IT'S NOT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO WE'LL GET ON, WE'LL GET ON NEXT AGENDA AT LEAST, IF ANYTHING, WE CAN SEE A ROUGH DRAFT BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ANY COUNCIL MEMBER WHO HAS A CONCERN HAS THE ABILITY TO IN GIVE INPUT THEN. 
          AND THEN THAT WAY ALSO THEN THE EDC MEMBERS CAN SEE THE ROUGH DRAFT ALSO. 
          AND WE CAN SHARE IT WITH, I MEAN, ONCE YOU SHARE IT IN PUBLIC, IT'D BE PUBLIC. 
          SO THEN WE CAN ALL LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. 
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TRY TO SPEED IT UP. 
          I WANNA TRY TO FIND THE FASTEST WAY TO GET THIS DONE SO THAT WE, THAT'S THE OTHER FEAR IS BY DOING THIS, WE'RE GONNA SLOW EVERYTHING DOWN. 
          SO IF WE SPEND SIX MONTHS FIGURING OUT HOW TO DO THIS MM-HMM . 
          THEN, YOU KNOW, THE NAYSAYERS WIN ONE OF THE THINGS AND THE PUBLIC LOSES. 
          THAT WAS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS GONNA BRING UP TONIGHT. 
          BECAUSE PART OF THE REASON WHY GEORGE IS A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THE PROCESSES IS THAT ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT YOU GUYS WERE CONSIDERING, IT HAS A VERY TIGHT TIMELINE. 
          SO IT'S OUT FORBIDDING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I HAVE TO KEEP IT MOVING. 
          OTHERWISE THERE'S NO WAY OCTOBER I CAN HIT THE TIMELINES THAT WE'VE SET. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S THAT WASTEWATER LINE, UH, THAT GOES FROM THE SOUTH ALL THE WAY, ALL THE WAY ACROSS TOWN. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'S WHERE SOMEHOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RUN. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RUN SOME THINGS CONCURRENTLY, OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA END UP, AND I'M VERY FEARFUL, THIS ISN'T ON MATT, IT'S ON I GUESS THE PUBLIC LAWS. 
          I'M VERY FEARFUL OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT GOING TO PUBLIC ROUTE ONLY BECAUSE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THERE'S SEVERAL ECONOMIC PROJECTS ALONG ONE 30 THAT ARE TIED TO THAT, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IF WE FALL SIX AND DOMINO YEAH. 
          IF WE FALL SIX MONTHS BEHIND ON THAT, THEN I MEAN WE, WE MAY END UP LOSING DEALS THAT WE'VE SPENT THE PAST YEAR GETTING. 
          UM, I WOULD JUST ALSO OFFER, SO CITY ENGINEER MYSELF AND, UM, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR HAVE ALL ENGAGED ON THIS POLICY AND PROCESS. 
          AND SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. 
          ONE OF THE ASKS FROM FINANCES THAT WE HAVE A VERY CLEAR ADOPTED PROCESS AND POLICY THAT IS CONSISTENT BECAUSE, UM, THAT'S A CONCERN FROM THEIR DEPARTMENT ABOUT WHEN THE AUDITORS COME THROUGH AND START LOOKING AT THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING FROM THE CITY AND THEN GOING THROUGH THE EDC FOR PROJECT MANAGEMENT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, HOW ARE ALL OF THOSE THINGS BEING DONE IN A CONSISTENT, FAIR MANNER THAT THEY CAN POINT TO AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS HOW IT GOES AND THEY DID THIS AND CHECK ALL THE BOXES. 
          SO WE'LL DEFINITELY LEAN INTO THE, THE PO THE PROCESS AND THE POLICY. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE EVERYONE'S GONNA GET THAT TRANSPARENCY AND THAT CONSISTENCY THAT I THINK EVERYBODY IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE, BUT ALSO PROVIDE SOME EXPEDIENCY WITH WHICH WE DO IT. 
          AND SO, UM, BOARD MEMBER SCHNEIDER, YOUR YOUR POINT SEEMED TO BE THAT WE DON'T, WE SHOULD NOT TRY TO REINVENT THE WHEEL HERE. 
          WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CLEAN UP WHAT'S OUR, WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING, AND THEN PUT THE EDCS NAME ENTITY ON THERE INSTEAD OF THE CITY. 
          IS THAT, I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S, I WOULD SAY THIS, THAT WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, I THINK THAT'S A VERY SHORT WAY OF SAYING IT, BUT I THINK YOU GOTTA HAVE ALL THREE ATTORNEYS FROM THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS ALL BANG OUT THE AGREEMENT. 
          AND THEN, UM, BUT ONCE WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE HAVE A TEMPLATE OF SORTS, IT WOULDN'T BE THAT HUGE LONG PROCESS EVERY TIME. 
          IT WOULD JUST KIND OF JUST BE, IT WOULD BE A LOT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          LIKE, LIKE RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE, I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO GET WHATEVER THIS DRAFT IS TO MY OFFICE SO THAT WE COULD HAVE SOME INSIGHT BEFORE IT'S EVEN CONSIDERED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO THEN THAT WAY DOTTIE AND I CAN GET ON THE SAME PAGE EARLY, THEN YOU GET IT, THEN IT MAY BE ALREADY READY FOR THIS BOARD. 
          SO WE CAN EXPEDITE THAT PROCESS. 
          UM, OR, OR AT LEAST LET ME KNOW WHEN, WHEN THAT'S HAPPENING. 
          THEN WE CAN PROVIDE INFORMATION TO CITY STAFF TO, TO PUT INTO THOSE MEETINGS WHEN THOSE ARE, ARE REVIEWED. 
          UM, JUST, I, I, I JUST, UM, RECENTLY DID A CONTRACT FOR THE NEW BRAUNFELS, UM, UTILITIES COMP, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A AND THEY'RE DOING LOTS OF INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THAT'S ALL KIND OF WHAT THEY DO. 
          AND WHAT I DID WITH THEM IS I ALSO INCLUDED SOME OF THE LEGAL STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE BEEN LITIGATING OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS IN HUDU WITH REGARDS TO WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CONTRACTUAL DEFECTS, WHO IS OBLIGATED. 
          AND WE'RE PUTTING THOSE INTO THE CONTRACTUAL LANGUAGE OF THE, IN THE PROVISIONS, THE QUOTE UNQUOTE BOILERPLATE THAT SAYS, IF THERE'S SOMETHING LEGALLY WRONG WITH THIS CONTRACT, IT'S YOUR FAULT CONTRACTOR, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE LAW SAYS. 
          BUT IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT PART OF THE LAW. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO INCORPORATE THOSE STANDARDS INTO THE LAW OR INTO THE CONTRACT. 
          SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, UM, ARE, ARE ANSWERED UP UPFRONT. 
          YEAH. 
          I I, IF THE CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T APPROVE THIS CONTRACT, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE BOARD DOESN'T APPROVE THE CONTRACT, THERE IS NO, UH, APPARENT AUTHORITY BY A THIRD PARTY THAT CAN BE USED TO MAKE THE CONTRACT ENFORCEABLE IF THE CITY, IF THE BOARD NEVER SAW IT. 
          OKAY. 
          LIKE THE CON THE, UH, FARMING CONTRACT FOR INSTANCE. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I CONCUR WITH THE, YOU KNOW, DR. CHANG, DR. 
          GAMBOA AND MEMBER THORNTON AND MEMBER SNYDER. 
          I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING AT A, ABOUT A FOUR HOUR, UH, DISCUSSION WITH THE, THE, THE LEGAL TEAM WITH CHAPMAN. 
          AND ALTHOUGH I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT 
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ANY LEGAL PERSON OR LEGAL ADVISOR, I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST VERY GREAT COMMON SENSE THINGS ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO FROM A PUBLIC SECTOR BIDDING IF I'M SAYING THIS PROPERLY VERSUS AN EDC, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE CORPORATION LLC CAN DO. 
          SO IT'S VERY COMMON SENSE. 
          UM, I THINK THIS IS ALREADY EXPRESSED I WOULD LIKE, AGAIN, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM AN AS AN EDC BOARD MEMBER, I, I, I WANT DEFINITELY WANT FINANCE, DEVELOPMENT AND ENGINEERING AND OUR LEGAL TEAM TO REVIEW ALL THIS SO THAT I DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE NOT, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANYTHING THAT'S GETS IN THE WAY, ESPECIALLY SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY IN THE PROCESS. 
          I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, THAT WASTEWATER LINE IS THAT OCTOBER DEADLINE. 
          WE, THAT WE CANNOT MISS THAT AT ALL. 
          SO NOTHING TO GET IN THE WAY, BUT DEFINITELY RESPECT LEGAL ADVISEMENT FROM THE EDC STANDPOINT. 
          AND THEN I, I FEEL CONFIDENT Y WILL TAKE THAT TO, WITH WORKING WITH THE CHAPMAN IN, UH, GROUP AND WITH THE, THE CITY LEGAL GROUP, UH, AND GIVE US SOMETHING THAT'S A POLICY THAT CAN, WE CAN USE FORWARD, NOT ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS, BUT WE HAVE THAT BOILER PLATE THAT KIND OF TELLS US NOT SO MUCH WHAT TO DO, BUT DEFINITELY WHAT NOT TO DO. 
          AND GOING FORWARD THAT, AND OBVIOUSLY WITH, YOU KNOW, DIRECTOR OF EDC AND, AND AND EDC HEAVY INPUTS ON WHAT'S GONNA WORK, WHAT'S NOT GONNA WORK. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT THE SPINE ROAD, NOT NECESSARILY A GREAT EXAMPLE, BUT IT'S MAYBE BEING USED AS A TEMPLATE. 
          SO AGAIN, THESE ARE OUTSIDE MY PURVIEW 'CAUSE I WASN'T HERE, BUT I JUST CONCUR WITH WHAT I BELIEVE THE CHAPMAN CON, THE CHAPMAN GROUP CAN BRING TO US. 
          AND THEN WORKING WITH OUR, OUR EXISTING LEGAL TO PROVIDE A, A POLICY PROCEDURE AND A DOCUMENT, UM, WHAT WOULD WE SAY A A AN INFRASTRUCTURE POLICY THAT WE CAN WORK WITH AND GET THINGS GOING. 
          SO I I, I CONCUR WITH WHAT, WHAT I, LIKE WHAT CHAPMAN HAD TO SAY FROM A, FROM A, A LAYPERSON PERSPECTIVE. 
          AND IT WAS A FOUR HOUR CONVERSATION. 
          SO I HAVE A QUESTION, MATT. 
          ARE THERE, DO YOU HAVE, HAVE YOU RECOMMENDED, UH, SOME BIDDING SYSTEMS TO CONSIDER? BECAUSE THERE ARE QUITE A NUMBER OUT THERE. 
          WE, WE HAVEN'T SUBMITTED ANYTHING NEW. 
          UH, SO PRIOR TO MY ARRIVAL HERE, WE WERE USING BID NET, I BELIEVE MM-HMM . 
          AND, UH, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE WERE GETTING WAS, NOBODY'S REALLY USING BID NET ANYMORE. 
          SO WE HAD RECOMMENDED TO CITY COUNCIL LAST YEAR THAT WE SWITCHED FROM BID NET TO SIV CAST MM-HMM . 
          WHICH WE DID. 
          AND, UH, WE HAVE BEEN SEEING MORE ACTIVITY ON OUR BIDS. 
          WE'RE GETTING MORE THAN TWO OR THREE FOR EVERY PROJECT. 
          SO, UM, I ASSUMED THAT WE WOULD JUST STICK WITH SIV CAST, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS HAVE SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE EDC PREFERS, THEN ALL THE, ALL THE ENGINEERS THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH HAVE SAID, S CIV CAST IS WHERE YOU SHOULD GO. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND SO IF YOU GUYS HAVE SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU PREFER, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. 
          BUT I HAD JUST ASSUMED WE WOULD FOLLOW SIV CAST STILL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WELL, IT'S LIKE YOU SAY, THEY COME AND GO. 
          SOMETIMES THEY'RE A FLASH IN THE PAN AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE, THEY HAVE A LONGER DURATION MM-HMM . 
          BUT YOU'RE RIGHT AT THE FRONT LINE. 
          SO I WOULD IMAGINE YOU COULD, BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH IT, YOU COULD MAKE YOUR SUGGESTIONS APPROPRIATELY BETTER THAN PERHAPS WE WOULD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO OUTSIDE OF THE, UM, ACTION REGARDING ENGAGING JEFF PAT CHAPMAN FIRM, UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER ACTIONS WE NEED TO CONSIDER ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? I KNOW THAT A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP IN TANDEM WITH IT, BUT, OKAY. 
          UM, MOTION TO APPROVE ENGAGING CHAPMAN, JEFF CHAPMAN, FIRM AS SPECIAL COUNSEL TO ASSIST CORPORATIONS GENERAL COUNSEL WITH A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT PREPARATION FOR CORPORATION PROJECTS INITIATED BY THE CITY OR BY THE CORPORATION WITH AN ENGAGEMENT AGREEMENT AS TO FORM BY THE CORPORATION'S GENERAL COUNSEL. 
          YOU SEE THAT WAS A MOTION? THAT WAS A MOTION, YES. 
          WHAT ARE LOOKING AT ME FOR SECOND? OH, , ANY DISCUSSION? DO YOU GUYS MIND JUST ADDING FOR CLEAR DIRECTION THAT YEAH. 
          THE EXPECTATION IS CITY ATTORNEY CHAPMAN AND OKAY. 
          THE, UM, EDC ATTORNEY TO BE WORKING TOGETHER, TOGETHER WHENEVER WE ENGAGE HIM. 
          MOTION TO HAVE CITY ATTORNEY AND EDC ATTORNEY ENGAGING JEFF, YOU JUST HAVE TO SAY YES AND THEN IF HE'S OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S GOOD. 
          YES. 
          AMENDMENT. 
          I, I CONCUR A SECOND. 
          YES. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. 
          PLEASE CALL THE VOTE . 
          I'LL GET IT SOON. 
          I PROMISE. 
          YOU'RE GOOD. 
          VICE CHAIR MORALES AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER SNYDER AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER MORRIS AYE. 
          SECRETARY GONZALEZ. 
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AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER THORNTON AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SIX ZERO. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MOVING ON TO ITEM SIX FOUR, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING MEDIA ENGAGEMENT BY AND ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD. 
          UM, NOT EXPECTING ANY ACTION TO BE TAKEN HERE. 
          I JUST, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF RESPONSES ONLINE, UH, FROM VARIOUS SOURCES REGARDING RECENT DECISIONS THAT HAVE UNANIMOUS UNANIMOUSLY BEEN, UM, PASSED IN THE EDC. 
          AND, UM, I JUST HAD A KIND OF A QUESTION ON HOW THIS BOARD HAS HISTORICALLY, UM, ENGAGED IN SOCIAL MEDIA OR, YOU KNOW, NEWS OUTLETS. 
          HOW HAVE WE HISTORICALLY CONVEYED MESSAGES? BECAUSE I, I MEAN THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY GOOD, YOU KNOW, TRANSPARENT CONTENT COMING FROM OTHER PARTIES, YOU KNOW, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, LIKE SPECIFICALLY THE EDC IF WE HAVE, UH, METHODS THAT BY WHICH WE COMMUNICATE. 
          'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE COULD BE DOING MORE IN THAT AREA POSSIBLY. 
          UM, JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER, IF THERE'S AN OUTLET WE HAVE USED BEFORE OR, WELL, SOMETIMES WHEN, WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THE CITY WANTS TO PUT OUT A PRESS RELEASE, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE A PRESS RELEASE WAS ALSO DONE THAT WOULD INCLUDE A QUOTE FROM THE EDC CHAIR ALONG WITH IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S HAPPENED A COUPLE TIMES. 
          THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT YOU DO. 
          JUST LIKE INCLUDING IT HASN'T BEEN SUPER FREQUENTLY A RESPONSE, BUT IT HAS HAPPENED A FEW TIMES. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT NOTHING LIKE DIRECTLY FROM US IS TYPICALLY BEEN DONE. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD EVEN BE APPROPRIATE OR, I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          SO BECAUSE THE CITY HAS A PROFESSIONAL SER, SORRY. 
          THE EDC HAS A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT INCLUDES THEIR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM. 
          AND SO WE LEVERAGE THEIR PROTOCOLS WITH REGARD TO ENGAGING MEDIA. 
          UM, SO TYPICALLY EVEN IF IT IS A AN EDC PRESS RELEASE, WE ENGAGE THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM TO PUT THAT TOGETHER AND THEY HAVE ALL THE CONTACTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO DO THE FORMAL RELEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, TO BOARD MEMBER THORNTON'S POINT, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE IT'S A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT WHERE SOMETHING CITY INITIATED, UM, OR THE MEDIA REACHES OUT SPECIFICALLY TO THE CITY, BUT IT DOES IMPACT EDC. 
          SO THEN WE TYPICALLY REACH OUT TO THE BOARD CHAIR, UM, FOR ANY QUOTE INPUT THAT, THAT THEY'D LIKE TO INCLUDE AS WELL. 
          AND THEN THAT GETS RELEASED ALONG WITH IT. 
          BUT WE DON'T HAVE LIKE A FORMAL, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE SOCIAL MEDIA, THE EDC DOES NOT HAVE THEIR OWN SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNT, SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS CURRENTLY STAFF SUPPORTED. 
          OKAY. 
          HMM. 
          I DO LIKE THIS CONVERSATION NOW. 
          SORRY, WERE YOU GETTING READY TO GO? GO AHEAD. 
          BECAUSE FOR INSTANCE, WE HAD A, UM, A COMPANY COME OUT HERE IN THE, UH, CO-OP AND WHILE I WOULD SAY NOTHING DIRECTLY, LIKE IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS FROM THE CITY OR THE EDC HELPED MAKE THAT HAPPEN, BUT DUE TO AGREEMENTS THAT THE CITY AND EDC ENTERED INTO THE TAX SHARING, THE REIMBURSEMENT AND PROPERTY TAXES, THE TURS, THE PIT, ALL THAT STUFF IN MY MIND CONTRIBUTED TO LANDING, UH, A COMPANY A SML MM-HMM . 
          BUT THE EDC KIND OF GETS LEFT OUT ON THAT BECAUSE IN MY MIND, EDC WAS PART OF THAT ED C'S GIVEN THEIR SALES TAX TO IT AND IT'S OTHER POLICIES AND THINGS THAT WE'RE PUSHING ON THE EDC SIDE. 
          SO I DO THINK MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID. 
          AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE, UM, UH, THE DEAL TO DEVELOPER AT THE COTTONWOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO, UM, LIKE I'LL PUT MYSELF OUT THERE. 
          I GET A CALL, UM, FROM SAY THE OFFICER BUSINESS JOURNAL AND THE FIRST THING I SAY IS, IS I'M NOT THE PERSON YOU NEED TO TALK TO THAT'S EITHER CHENEY OR DON. 
          UM, IF THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE CITY SIDE, I CAN COMMENT ON THAT JUST BECAUSE MM-HMM . 
          I HAVE MY OWN VOICE THERE, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT ON THE, ON THE BOARD. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THEN YOU SEE, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT BACK TO DON, BUT THEN DON GETS CONTACTED AT SOME POINT OR SOMEONE MADE A QUOTE ATTRIBUTED TO HIM. 
          SO I DO THINK, I DO THINK THERE OUGHT TO BE SOMETHING TO BE SAID TO BE DONE BECAUSE FOR GOOD THINGS AND BAD, IT'S TOUGH FOR, IT'S SOMEWHAT TOUGH FOR THE MEDIA TO UNDERSTAND WHO THEY'RE TALKING TO AND IN WHAT CAPACITY. 
          WELL, AND THE AUDIENCE TOO, THEY DON'T KNOW THE AUDIENCE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, UM, YOU'VE GOT THE ASPECT OF YOU DON'T WANT THE EDC LEFT OUT IN SOMETHING BECAUSE IF THERE'S AN ANNOUNCEMENT MADE AND WE MEET ONCE A MONTH, WELL ALL OF A SUDDEN EDC HAS NO PART IN IT BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE DON'T WAIT THREE WEEKS FOR US TO GET BACK TOGETHER TO THEN. 
          SO I DO THINK WE NEED TO USE, UM, THE CITY, UH, COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT FOR EDC RELATED TYPE THINGS. 
          AND, UM, SHE SEEMS VERY CAPABLE. 
          SHE'S NEW TO US. 
          UM, BUT THE, I MEAN, YOU STILL GOT, 
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DAVID HAS BEEN HERE. 
          ABBY'S NEW, BUT ABBY'S NOT NEW TO THE POSITION. 
          SHE'S JUST NEW TO THE CITY. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS THIS ONE SORT OF ETIQUETTE RELATED REASON WHY WE HADN'T ALSO CONTRIBUTED ON THE SOCIAL MEDIA SIDE BECAUSE THERE'S A HEAVY PARTICIPATION FROM THE CITY SIDE, WHICH IS COOL AND GREAT AND TRANSPARENT AND IT MAKES THE CITY SEEM WAY MORE ACCESSIBLE, WHICH IS GREAT. 
          UM, AND WE GET TONS OF FEEDBACK FROM ALL OF THOSE POSTS, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T MATTER WHAT SIDE IT'S ON. 
          AND SO I FEEL AS THOUGH IF THE EDC HAS A PERSONA AS WELL THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PART OF THESE DECISIONS AND IT'S NOT JUST THE CITY MAKING THOSE DECISIONS, YOU KNOW, AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO NO ACTION REQUIRED. 
          I JUST, UM, WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AS A SUGGESTED. 
          CURRENTLY YOUR BYLAWS STATE THAT IN THE ABSENCE OF ACTION BY THE BOARD, THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE CORPORATION IS THE ONE THAT CAN ACT ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD. 
          AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHY I THINK TYPICALLY DON IS THE ONE THAT DOES THAT. 
          IF DON IS NOT AVAILABLE, CONGRATULATIONS, VICE CHAIR. 
          YOU WILL, YOU WILL BE THE SECOND THAT WILL BE CALLED TO, TO AS TO WHAT TO SAY OR HOW. 
          UM, BUT THE, UH, UM, AND SO IF, IF THERE, AND I DO WANT TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE ORGANIZATION ITSELF ONLY ACTS BY MAJORITY VOTE. 
          IF YOU HAPPEN TO CEASE AN INDIVIDUAL, MAKE A STATEMENT THAT SITS ON THE BOARD, AND IT MAY BE ABOUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION OR WHAT SOME ACTIVITY THAT, THAT IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT, REFLECT THAT THAT IS THE POSITION OF THE BOARD. 
          IT'S ONLY THE DIVISION OF THAT BOARD MEMBER. 
          SO, UM, THE, UH, UM, THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR HERE IN HU AND, AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE CONFRONTED WITH A QUESTION, YOU SHOULD TRY TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT YOU'RE ONLY SPEAKING ON YOUR BEHALF AND NOT ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD UNLESS YOU HAVE AUTHORITY TO ACT ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, WHICH IS DON. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I, I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FORWARD, ESPECIALLY WHENEVER WE FINALLY MAKE A LAND SELL IN THE MEGA SITE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE EDC SHOULD BE OUT FRONT MAKING A STATEMENT ON ANY, ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN COTTONWOOD WHEN WE SIGN SOMEBODY UP FOR COTTONWOOD, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF AND WHEN WE GET THESE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS GOING, THE A DC SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, FRONT AND CENTER TALKING ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF THAT TOO. 
          SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK TO LOOK TO MAKE IT MORE PROMINENT GOING FORWARD. 
          SO GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP. 
          OKAY. 
          I ALMOST THINK SO. 
          THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS FROM THE BOARD THAT WE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO PASS A RESOLUTION, BUT WE GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND ASK FROM A CITY STANDPOINT, IF IT'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RELATED, THAT IN MY MIND IT OUGHT, IT OUGHT TO SOMEWHAT GO ON EDC LETTERHEAD. 
          HMM. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU WANT YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, IT IS JUST, OBVIOUSLY I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THESE GUYS, RIGHT? IF YOU WANT YOUR EDC TO BE MORE AND MORE POWERFUL AND TO BE MORE AND MORE KNOWN, THEN WE ARE, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE OUT TALKING TO ALL THESE BUSINESSES. 
          WE'RE OUT THROWING HOOKS IN THE WATER ALL OVER THE PLACE AND THEN WHEN YOU SNAG ONE AND THEY'RE ON ONE 30, IF IT GOES ON THE CITY, IT SOUNDS STUPID AND PETTY. 
          BUT IF IT GOES ON THE CITY LETTERHEAD, THEN YOU'VE ALMOST KIND OF UNDERCUT WORK THAT THE EDCS DOING. 
          WHEN IN REALITY THE CITY'S JUST SETTING A TAX RATE AND THE IMPACT FEES AND THE PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT FEES ARE UNTIL THEY'VE SIGNED UP AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND IT, I MEAN, BY THEN THEY'VE ALREADY COMMITTED. 
          SO TO ME IT'S A LOT OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING. 
          SO MAYBE WHAT WE DO IS, AS WE HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS COME UP COMING FORWARD THAT IT'S, IT'S GOING THROUGH THE EDC, IT'S EI MEAN IT'S THE SAME STAFF MEMBER, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT TITLE IN THE LETTERHEAD. 
          BUT THEN THAT WAY, 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE NICE I THINK ULTIMATELY TO HAVE MORE BUSINESS PE YOU KNOW THIS AS MUCH AS I DO, BUSINESSES DO NOT LIKE CALLING CITIES ASKING FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND TO ME, THE MORE WE CAN SEPARATE THE TWO IN SOME ASPECTS, SOMEONE FROM OUTSIDE OF TEXAS DOES NOT KNOW THAT WE'RE LITERALLY JOINED AT THE HIP. 
          THEY JUST KNOW I DON'T WANNA TALK TO THE CITY. 
          MM-HMM  BUT MAYBE I'LL TALK TO THE EDC OR THE CHAMBER. 
          AND THAT MIGHT BE A WAY IS 'CAUSE THESE PRESS RELEASES GO NATIONAL, SOME OF 'EM. 
          AND THAT MIGHT BE A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO THEN CALL CHENEY AND HER PEOPLE. 
          I DUNNO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I MEAN ANY COMMENTS FROM CHENEY WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED ON THAT BECAUSE I FEEL, I MEAN I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD WORK. 
          SO I'M JUST LOOKING FOR DIRECTION MORE THAN ANYTHING AS FAR AS HOW WE COULD POSSIBLY, I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF GRAY AREA THERE TO OPERATE IN. 
          UH, TYPICALLY WHEN I HAVE BEEN 
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ASKED FOR QUOTES OR INPUT ON PRESS RELEASES OR ANY OTHER SORT OF MEDIA ENGAGEMENT, UM, I TRY TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT HOW I'M ENGAGING. 
          IF IT'S A PROJECT THAT THE EDC HAS DIRECTLY IMPACTED, THEN I TRY TO REPRESENT THE EDC IN THAT CAPACITY. 
          IF IT'S A, A PROJECT OR A TENANT OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE THAT IMPACTS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE EDC IS NOT TIED TO IT, THEN I OPERATE UNDER MY, UM, TITLE OF DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY. 
          SO I TRY TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY IF THE EDC IS IS TIED TO IT, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'LL SING THEIR PRAISES AND, AND GIVE DON THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN WITH A QUOTE AND SOME ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE AN INTERVIEW OR WHATEVER IS IS APPROPRIATE. 
          SO THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW I TRY TO HANDLE THOSE INQUIRIES. 
          UM, SO IF THERE'S DIFFERENT DIRECTIVE FROM THE BOARD, I'M HAPPY TO PIVOT ACCORDINGLY AND TAKE THAT BACK TO THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM. 
          UM, BUT THEY'RE, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S PLENTY OF GRAY AREA AND THEY'RE LIKE THE, THE A SML ANNOUNCEMENT. 
          UM, THEY ARE NOT A SALES TAX PRODUCING ENTITY I DON'T BELIEVE AT THIS POINT. 
          YES. 
          UM, SO AT LEAST NOT THEIR LOCATION. 
          SO WITH REGARD TO WHAT INCENTIVES MAY HAVE IMPACTED THAT, I FEEL LIKE THAT DEFINITELY GRAY AREA AS FAR AS I'VE, I'VE CONSIDERED IT. 
          UM, SO FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, ABSOLUTELY. 
          FROM AN EDC, THAT'S, I DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU CAN ARGUE IT . 
          I MEAN I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE GOTTA DECIDE AS A BOARD. 
          I MEAN, NOT EVERY PROJECT WE DO. 
          I KNOW PREVIOUSLY I SAT ON SOME OF THE MEETINGS AND WHAT I WOULD HEAR IS, IS WELL WHY ARE WE INVOLVED IN THAT? WE'RE NOT GETTING SALES TAX OUT OF THAT. 
          WELL, TO ME, IF THE EDC IS ONLY LOOKING AT FOR SALES TAX, THEN THAT'S, THAT WAS I THINK PART OF OUR PROBLEM. 
          TO ME, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS YOU LAND A MAJOR COMPANY THAT'S GONNA BRING IN OVER A HUNDRED HIGH PAYING JOBS, THAT'S GONNA START SPENDING MONEY AND BRINGING IN HOTEL ROOMS AND THEIR ECOSYSTEM AND ALL THE, AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO, WELL I THINK THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT COIN IS GONNA BE EVERY TIME A DENTIST AND A NAIL SALON OPENS UP THAT, ARE WE ALSO SAYING YAY FOR THAT TOO? LIKE I THINK YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL 'CAUSE THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE GET CRITICIZED ABOUT TOO. 
          SO I JUST WANNA, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          HOW MANY TIMES WE PUT A PRESS RELEASE OUT ABOUT A DENTIST OPENING UP IN HATO? WE DON'T. 
          BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT FOR THE CO-OP EXAMPLE, IF WE PRE AT AND T OR PRE-DENTAL OFFICE IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S GOING INTO THE CO-OP AND THEY ANNOUNCE IT ON FACEBOOK OR THEY, YOU KNOW, A BJ REACHES OUT OR OR ANY OTHER MEDIA OUTLET, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE THEN WOULD YEAH, I MEAN I'M SUPPORT, LIKE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND 'CAUSE IT, SO I'M GONNA SAY THIS AS RESPECTFULLY AS I CAN, I CAN'T TAKE SERIOUSLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING A SML MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY NATIONAL. 
          WE OUGHT TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE. 
          YOU'RE BRINGING UP A DENTIST. 
          A BJ IS NEVER CALLED IN SIX YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN UP HERE IN INVOLVED TO SEE THEY'VE NEVER CALLED AND SAID, HEY, THERE'S A NEW DENTIST'S OFFICE. 
          CAN WE GET A QUOTE? WHAT, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SUGGEST IS, IS WHEN THE A BJ, THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, THE AUSTIN STATESMAN, WHO NONE OF THEM HAVE EVER ASKED ABOUT THE LOCAL DENTIST OR THE AT AND T STORE WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THINGS TO MAKE HEADLINES. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD BE AN EDC THING. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH HAVING POLICIES AS YOU GET DOWN TO, WELL, DO I DO THIS OR NOT? BUT I MEAN, SPROUT'S, EDC THING, IT'S, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU AT ALL. 
          I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING IS FROM THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION, WHEN WE START ENGAGING ON ALL OF THOSE ITEMS, I WOULD EXPECT THEN THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ALSO PRESENTING THE IDEA THAT THIS CORPORATION IS INVOLVED IN EVERY BUSINESS THAT COMES HERE. 
          SO I'M TRYING TO JUST CREATE SOME CLEAR DEFINITION ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE TAKE CREDIT FOR, OR YOU TALKING ABOUT IF ON FACEBOOK OR SOMETHING. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S ONE THING WE HAVE GOTTA STOP DOING IN THIS CITY IS WORRYING ABOUT FACEBOOK. 
          IF WE MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT SOMEONE MAY DO ON FACEBOOK THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING DECISIONS FOR THE BEST INTEREST, I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          IF SOMEONE ON FACEBOOK GOES, OH MY GOD, EDC IS THEY, THEY BROUGHT FOUR MORE DENTISTS HERE. 
          OKAY, WELL, DOES THAT PERSON EVEN LIVE IN HU? IS IT A BURNER ACCOUNT? AND THEN, THEN THE VOTE WOULD BE, DOES ANYBODY CARE WHAT THAT PERSON SAID? I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE EDCS OUT THERE WHO ARE VERY POWERFUL, WHO PEOPLE CALL RIGHT AWAY AND THEY WOULD CALL YOUR OFFICE BECAUSE OF THE MEDIA. 
          AND RIGHT NOW THE CITY GETS A LOT OF IT, WHICH IS STILL YOU. 
          SO ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS WEAR THE SAME HAT. 
          AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THE EDC IS INVOLVED IN COTTONWOODS 240 ACRES, 400, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS, 480 ACRES ON THE MEGA SITE. 
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UM, HELL WE'RE EVEN INVOLVED IN THE DATA CENTER AND ALL THIS STUFF. 
          BUT THE EDCS, ANYTHING THAT COMES ABOUT THE DATA CENTER, THE EDCS NOT GETTING ANY RECOGNITION FOR IT. 
          SO WHAT I WOULD ASK THEN IS THAT STAFF BE AUTHORIZED TO ALSO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE CORPORATION IF I'M NOT ALREADY IN THE BYLAWS. 
          BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE GET OUTREACH AT BEFORE 8:00 AM AND THEY HAVE A NOON DEADLINE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND OUTREACH TO THE CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR AND GET A QUOTE BACK, ET CETERA, OR SET UP AN INTERVIEW OR, OR WHATEVER THAT OPPORTUNITY IS. 
          SO IF YOU WANT QUICK RESPONSES, YOU WANT THE ENGAGEMENT, YOU WANT THE MESSAGE OUT THERE, THEN I THINK STAFF ALSO NEEDS TO BE, ARE YOU SAYING RESPONSES TO SOCIAL MEDIA OR JUST AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF EDC OR THE CITY OF HUB? WE'RE FORGETTING ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO SPEAK. 
          I LIKE TO SPEAK MEDIA. 
          MEDIA PERSON REACHES OUT TO SPEAK. 
          I LIKE TO SPEAK THE REAL MEDIA, THE SOCIAL MEDIA ASPECT IN THE CITY OR EDC OR WHATEVER IT IS. 
          JUST, I, I JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND IT. 
          I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. 
          WE'RE RESPONDING TO AN INSIGNIFICANT, INSIGNIFICANT AND STATISTICALLY INSIGNIFICANT POLL ON, ON, ON SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          AND THEN WE'RE RESPONDING TO IT. 
          NOW AS AN INDIVIDUAL, IF I DECLARE MYSELF, I'M SPEAKING AS AN INDIVIDUAL OR A BOARD MEMBER DIRECTOR OR MY HOA WHATEVER, AND I DECLARE THAT I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT OPINION. 
          BUT TO ME, I MEAN, IF, IF THE EDC AND OR THE CITY, BUT FOR THE EDC WANTS TO, TO BE, UH, HAVE A MEDIA PRESENCE, WE'RE UP OUT IN FRONT. 
          WE SAY THIS A SML, WHATEVER. 
          UH, IF WE WANNA DO DE THAT'S FINE. 
          WE DO IT UPFRONT. 
          NOW, THE ONLY TIME I WOULD EVER RESPOND TO A SOCIAL MEDIA OR SOME OTHER THING, OR AN A BJ OR WHATEVER IS THAT WE'RE IN A CLARIFICATION MODE. 
          WE'RE NOT IN DEFENDING MODE OR SAID THERE WAS SOME INACCURACY OR THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, UNCLEAR OR AMBIGUOUS. 
          GO AHEAD AND GET UPFRONT AND CLEAR THAT UP. 
          BUT RESPONDING TO ANYTHING ON SOCIAL MEDIA UP HERE ON THE DAAS, LIKE RIGHT NOW IS A WASTE OF OUR TIME. 
          THIS IS A BORDER DIRECTOR MEETING FOR 500 FORTUNE 500 COMPANY. 
          WHY ARE WE RESPONDING TO SOCIAL MEDIA AND WHAT THEY SAY OR WHAT THEY DON'T SAY? I DON'T THINK SHE'S SUGGESTING THAT. 
          NO, I'M NOT SUGGESTING NO, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT EITHER. 
          I JUST, I, I'VE BEEN WANTING TO SAY THINGS AND I GOT A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS AND I FINALLY SAID IT, AND THAT'S WHAT I SAID. 
          BUT I WASN IT. 
          HIT THAT BELL, MAN. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT BELL'S HERE FOR. 
          I OPENED A CAN OF WORMS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          WELL, OKAY. 
          SO ARE WE OKAY. 
          ARE WE OKAY WITH ALLOWING THE STAFF THAT, THAT WE PAY FOR? I MEAN, NOT WE PAY FOR THAT WE'VE CONTRACTED THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR. 
          ARE WE OKAY WITH THE STAFF HANDLING THAT AND THEN MAKING THE DETERMINATION WHEN TO GET A QUOTE FROM THE BOARD CHAIR OR SOMEONE RELATED TO OUR BOARD ON THEIR OWN? OR DO WE NEED TO MICROMANAGE THAT? NO, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MICROMANAGE. 
          WE, WE WOULD JUST NEED TO DO A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE, THE REPRESENTATIVES TO SPEAK WITH REGARD TO MEDIA PROJECTS THAT ARE IN COURT THAT THE RESOLUTION CAN'T DO A VOTE TONIGHT. 
          WELL, THERE'S, LOOK AT THE TERMS OF THE RESOLUTION. 
          THEN I COULD DROP IT. 
          SO YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT THE RESOLUTION TO SAY. 
          I WILL LIMIT IT TO THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THE BOILERPLATE LANGUAGE. 
          AND THEN YOU'LL BE FINE. 
          YOU COULD TAKE NOT TRYING TO SAVE ON LEGAL DOLLARS. 
          NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          YOU CAN JUST TAKE CARE OF IT TONIGHT. 
          DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING MEDIA ENGAGEMENT BY AND ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD. 
          AND SO BY AND ON BEHALF OF IS SPECIFICALLY A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE AUTHORITY OF YOUR STAFF. 
          SO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE ACTION BY, UH, MINUTE ORDER RIGHT NOW. 
          SO I JUST THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, WE APPROVE THE USE OF CITY OF HUDDLE STAFF WHEN IT COMES TO MEDIA ENGAGEMENT AND FOR CITY STAFF TO DETERMINE WHEN A QUOTE ATTRIBUTED TO THE EDC BOARD BY THE BOARD CHAIR IS DONE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IT. 
          WOULD YOU MIND AMENDING TERRIBLE WAY OF SAYING THAT YOU IDENTIFY WHAT CITY STAFF TO STAFF, CITY STAFF COULD BE CD STAFF. 
          YEAH. 
          LET'S BE MORE SPECIFIC ANYWAY. 
          WELL, NO, I MEAN, I'M TALKING CITY STAFF, WHICH IS YOU, BUT IT'S ALSO OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT, ABBY. 
          AND SO ABBY HAS TO BE INVOLVED IN ALL THIS. 
          AND SO WE HAVE A COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT AND YOU ARE CITY STAFF, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER POTENTIAL CITY STAFF THAT MAY WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN WHAT IS SAID. 
          IN MY EXPERIENCE OF SEEING WHAT I KNOW. 
          I KNOW. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M ALLOWING BECAUSE ON THE CITY SIDE, WE GOT THE SAME STAFF MEMBERS DOING THE SAME WORK. 
          AND SO I DON'T WANNA ALL OF A SUDDEN WANT CHENEY TO BE THE ONE MAKING THE QUOTES. 
          BECAUSE THEN IF WE GIVE JUST WHAT, HOLD ON. 
          LEMME JUST SAY THIS. 
          WE'RE GOING OFF. 
          THAT WAS MY MOTION. 
          WE REALLY CAN'T DISCUSS UNLESS HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND. 
          UM, I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS LIKE, WHO SECOND, SORRY, CHENEY AND COMMUNICATIONS TO SAY SOMETHING, BUT WE DON'T WANT MATT RESPONDING 
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TO SOMETHING FOR WHATEVER REASON. 
          OR LIKE A STREETS TECH. 
          LIKE IF WE, YOU SAY CITY STAFF, THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          SO THAT'S ALL 200. 
          CAN WE AMEND IT TO SAY, TO ALLOW CITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF TO COLLABORATE WITH CITY COMMUNICATION STAFF? YES. 
          TO MAKE STATEMENTS? YEAH. 
          DOES THAT COVER IT? THANK YOU. 
          I WOULD JUST SAY OUR CONCERNS, WE DON'T HAVE THIS IN THE CITY YET, THAT I KNOW. 
          LIKE WE NEVER HAD A LIBRARIAN GET OUT AND COMMENT ON A GROCERY STORE, BUT I GUESS IT COULD HAPPEN. 
          BUT I'M OKAY WITH THAT FOR CLARIFICATION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER SCHNEIDER. 
          SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER MORRIS, AMENDED BY BOARD MEMBER THORNTON. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. 
          PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. 
          ONE SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHTY. 
          BOARD MEMBER THORNTON AYE. 
          SECRETARY GONZALEZ. 
          AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER SNYDER. 
          AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER MORRIS AYE. 
          VICE CHAIR MORALES AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. 
          EVERY MOTION PASSES. 
          SIX ZERO. 
          THAT WAS 20 MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVING ON TO ITEM SIX FIVE. 
          DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, CIP PROJECTS FOR CONSIDERATION TO BE MANAGED BY THE HU ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, HEDC. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          UH, SO CITY COUNCIL HAD PROPOSED A FEW CIP PROJECTS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE EDC TO CONSIDER MANAGING. 
          THIS TIES INTO THE EARLIER AGENDA ITEMS ABOUT THE CONTRACTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UH, WE DO HAVE CITY ENGINEER HERE TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF THE PROPOSED CIP PROJECTS, UM, FOR THE EDC TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MANAGING. 
          I KNOW HE HAS A CONCERN ABOUT ONE OF THEM IN PARTICULAR REGARDING TIMING. 
          UM, SO JUST WANTED TO OPEN UP DISCUSSION FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN ALSO ALLOW LEGAL TO WEIGH IN ON ANY OF THE PROJECTS WITH REGARD TO ALIGNMENT WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AUTHORITY. 
          IS IT YOUR EXPECTATION HE'S GONNA SAY SOMETHING OR, I MEAN, THE PROJECTS WERE PROVIDED FOR Y'ALL IN THE FOLDER. 
          I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT ONCE BEFORE ALSO. 
          SO THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE FOLDER THAT I, OR OR NO, I'M SORRY. 
          IT WAS IN THE EMAIL WITH THE, THE LINK. 
          THE LINK TO THE, OKAY, SO YOU JUST WANT US THE, THE, THE REQUEST IS ACTION FROM US TO APPROVE THOSE PROJECTS. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO MOVED. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE MOVED. 
          PROVIDED THE INFORMATION TO US AND YOU WANTED THE ACTION. 
          YEP. 
          SECOND. 
          AND YOU'RE INCLUDING THE CITY, THE STAFF SUGGESTED PROJECTS IN ADDITION TO THE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED ONES? YES, CORRECT. 
          I'M OKAY WITH ANY PROJECT GOING TO DDC. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JUST TO CLARIFY, IF WE MAY CLARIFY THE MOTION, JUST SO IT'S VERY SPECIFIC FOR PUBLIC RECORD. 
          YES. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WASTEWATER 11 DASH 2025, WHICH IS THE WASTEWATER LINE AND INTERCEPTOR, RIGHT? THAT GOES BRUSHY CREEK NUMBER FLOOR. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALONG THE WESTERN EDGE OF TOWN UP NORTH. 
          AND THEN I HAVE T 5 20 23, WHICH IS THE ROUNDABOUT INTERSECTION AT CR 1 37 AND 1660 SOUTH. 
          AND THEN IT ALSO HAS THE IMPROVEMENTS TO CR 1 37 FROM 1660 TO BRUSHY CREEK. 
          YES, MATT? YES. 
          I KNOW YOU HAVE THESE MEMORIZED THOUGH, I'M GONNA ASK YOU. 
          AND THEN I HAVE T 46 20 26, WHICH IS THE LIVE OAK, UH, EXTENSION TO ED SCHMIDT. 
          YES. 
          UM, YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN I ALSO STAFF MADE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ENTIRE LIMMER LOOP PROJECT. 
          WE'VE GOT TWO SEGMENTS UNDER DESIGN RIGHT NOW. 
          I THINK THERE WILL BE A THIRD FROM 1660. 
          IS THAT GONNA GO ALL THE WAY TO 79 THAT SEGMENT? OR IS IT GONNA STOP AT 1 32 AND THEN DO AN ADDITIONAL SEGMENT? I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WE WOULD GO FROM 1660 TO 1 32 FOR PHASE THREE AND THEN FROM 1 32 TO 79 FOR PHASE FOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION, I THINK THAT WAS PRETTY ROBUST IN THE EXPLANATION. 
          BUT LIMMER LOOP IS GONNA BE AN EXTREMELY CRITICAL ARTERIAL FOR THIS CITY AND A LOT OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS JUST GENERAL MOBILITY AROUND THE CITY. 
          SO, UH, LOTS OF GOOD ALIGNMENT THERE WITH EDC. 
          SO I WOULD PROPOSE THAT ALL SEGMENTS OF THAT BE INCLUDED. 
          SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THEN WHAT WE DID? UM, YEAH, I JUST DIDN'T WANNA JACK ANYTHING UP WITH THE WASTEWATER PROJECT LIKE CITY ENGINEER REFERRED TO EARLIER. 
          SO IF THE EDC TAKING IT OVER IS GONNA MESS IT UP, UM, I WAS GONNA PROPOSE SOMETHING. 
          I WAS GONNA ASK LEGAL IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CORPORATION TO INCENTIVIZE THE COMPLETION OF THAT WASTEWATER PROJECT. 
          SO RATHER THAN COMING IN AND TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE CONTRACT, IF WE WERE ABLE TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO HIT CERTAIN MILESTONES AND DEADLINES ALONG THE WAY TO ENSURE IT'S COMPLETION ON TIME, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A MORE APPROPRIATE 
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USE. 
          YEAH, I DON'T WANNA DO THAT. 
          NO, I DON'T WANNA DO THAT BECAUSE I WON'T LIQUIDATE DAMAGES TO WHERE IF THAT THING'S NOT BUILT ON THE TIME THAT THEY SAY IT'S GONNA BE BUILT, THAT CONSTRUCTION COMPANY GOES OUTTA BUSINESS. 
          BECAUSE IF WE LOSE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS BECAUSE THEY GET THREE MONTHS BEHIND 'CAUSE THEY FORGOT TO ORDER PIPE. 
          I DON'T WANT $500 A DAY LIQUIDATED DAMAGES. 
          I WANT SOME REAL PAIN BECAUSE OUR TAXPAYERS WILL FILL PAIN. 
          WE'RE GONNA FEEL THE PAIN. 
          AND I THINK I, IF I UNDERSTAND FROM JEFF CHAPMAN, THAT'S OUR ISSUE IS THAT YOU CAN'T GET LIQUIDATED DAMAGES LIKE THAT ON THE PUBLIC SIDE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, I WANT, I WANT SOMEONE CRYING AND ASKING THE CITY MANAGER, CAN WE BUILD THIS LINE AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING TO GET CAUGHT UP AND US GO, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'RE IN AN AREA THAT WON'T AFFECT THE HOMEOWNERS. 
          YEAH. 
          DO WHATEVER YOU GOTTA DO TO HIT THE TIMELINE. 
          SO HERE'S A QUESTION FOR A CITY ENGINEER FOR THAT PROJECT, THAT WASTEWATER PROJECT, SINCE IT'S ALREADY OUT TO BID, THEY HAVE A PROPOSED CONTRACT FOR THAT. 
          SO THEY'RE RESPONDING TO THE, WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE CONTRACT EFFECTIVELY. 
          SO WE HAVE TO RESTART THE BIDDING PROCESS. 
          YOU COULD DO AN ADDENDUM, WE WOULD NEED TO DO AN ADDENDUM AT THE VERY LEAST TO MODIFY THE CONTRACT THAT WAS PUT OUT IN THE ORIGINAL BID PACKAGE WITH THE NEW VERSION THAT, THAT WE'RE CREATING. 
          AND HOW MUCH TIME DO WE HAVE TO GIVE PEOPLE TO RESPOND TO THE ADDENDUM? IS THERE A REQUIREMENT? I MEAN, TYPICALLY WE WOULD GIVE THEM AT LEAST A WEEK, IF NOT TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR, I MEAN, WE'RE CHANGING THE ENTIRE CONTRACT LANGUAGE ON THEM, SO THAT'S KIND OF A BIG DEAL. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, OKAY. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO BECOME INFEASIBLE BY THE TIME WE GET THE POLICY AND THE CONTRACTS ALL FIGURED OUT. 
          IT WOULDN'T BE INFEASIBLE FOR A COMPANY TO BID ON IT, GET SELECTED AND THEN EXECUTE THE CONSTRUCTION BY THE REQUIRED DEADLINE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO, I HAVE HAVE CLARIFIED WITH CITY LEGAL, I'VE CLARIFIED WITH HEDC, LEGAL, I'VE CLARIFIED WITH MR. CHAPMAN THAT WE ARE OPENING BIDS ON THIS PROJECT IN MID-DECEMBER. 
          SO I NEED TO HAVE WHATEVER CONTRACT WE ARE GOING TO USE IN MY HAND ASAP SO THAT WE CAN ISSUE THE ADDENDUM. 
          OKAY. 
          SOUNDS LIKE A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING JUST FOR AWARENESS. 
          I'M HIGHLY CONFIDENT THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE EDC ATTORNEYS AND CHAPMAN ALL UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS WHOLE THING. 
          AND SO IF THIS GETS DRUG OUT LIKE A REAL ESTATE CONTRACT, THEN WE CAN ALWAYS FIND FROM A CITY SIDE EDC SIDE AND WE CAN FIND A NEW JEFF CHAPMAN. 
          BUT WE CAN FIND THE PEOPLE WHO CAN GET IT TOGETHER. 
          BECAUSE I DON'T WANT US TO REINVENT THE WHOLE WHEEL. 
          I WANT US TO HAVE A CONTRACT THAT MEETS WHAT WE NEED. 
          AND I THINK IF EVERYBODY GOT TOGETHER REAL QUICK, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD TAKE MORE THAN MAYBE A WEEK. 
          UM OKAY. 
          TO PUT SOMETHING THERE. 
          'CAUSE IT ISN'T THE FIRST TIME SOMEONE'S HAD A PRIVATE CONTRACT. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL WE'RE DOING NOW. 
          AND TO CLARIFY, SO I KNEW THAT THE CITY CONTRACTS WERE A PROBLEM. 
          SO I STARTED REWRITING CITY CONTRACT TEMPLATE LAST YEAR, NOT LAST YEAR, 20 25 5 FOR INNOVATION IN LIMMER. 
          BEFORE I WAS JOKING IN 2024, I STARTED REWRITING THE ENTIRE TEMPLATE FOR THE CITY CONTRACTS. 
          AND SO I BASICALLY HAD REDONE THE ENTIRE THING WHEN THIS CONVERSATION STARTED. 
          SO I VERY QUICKLY WAS ABLE TO SEND DOTTIE A DRAFT AND THEN WHEN, WHEN, WHEN GEORGE'S TEAM GOT INVOLVED AND WHEN CHAPMAN'S TEAM GOT INVOLVED, I WAS ABLE TO SEND THEM ALL THE DRAFT. 
          AND SO I THINK WE'VE DONE A, I'VE DONE A LOT OF THE EARLY WORK LEG WORK. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO I THINK IT SHOULD BE FAIRLY EASY AND I, I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT A LAWYER, BUT IT SHOULD BE FAIRLY EASY TO GO IN AND REVISE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE WRITTEN AND ADD IN THE, THE, THE LAWS THAT, THAT GEORGE HAS RE REFERENCED. 
          YEAH, I THINK SO. 
          'CAUSE GEORGE'S GONNA STICK THE EDC PART AND, AND WHATEVER IS CHAPTER SEVEN 70 OR 5 51 OR WHATEVER THE THING IS. 
          AND THEN WE GOTTA MAKE SURE DOTTY DOESN'T GET IN. 
          THE CITY ATTORNEY DOESN'T GET INTO THE EDC BUSINESS AND SHE JUST STICKS WITH CITY LAWS. 
          AND THEN JEFF'S GOTTA, SINCE HE SAYS, HEY, YOU REALLY OUGHT TO DO IT THIS WAY. 
          WELL THEN WHAT I WOULD EXPECT IS A CITY LEGAL OR EDC LEGAL TO GO, OKAY, THAT'S VIOLATES, UH, SOME LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION. 
          SO HOW DO WE GET AROUND THAT? AND WE GET THROUGH THAT. 
          I THINK AS LONG AS EVERYBODY STAYS IN THEIR LANE, THEN I THINK YOU GET AN AGREEMENT REALLY QUICKLY THAT THAT IS GONNA MEET ALL THE THINGS. 
          BECAUSE LIKE, I DON'T WANT JEFF TELLING US HOW TO RUN AN EDC THAT'S NOT HIS SPECIALTY. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          WHAT WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO IT, IF WE JUST DO IT THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IT, THEN WE'VE GOT ALL THE RISK AT THE BACK END AND WE'VE SEEN THAT FALL APART. 
          SO WE HAVE NO GUARANTEE THAT IT WOULD GET FINISHED ON TIME. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO YES, WE'RE RISKING A LITTLE BIT OF SLOWING DOWN THE START OF IT RIGHT NOW, BUT HOPEFULLY WE'RE MINIMIZING THAT. 
          BUT WE'RE DOING THAT WITH PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM AND PEOPLE THAT WE WORK WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS 
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WHO UNDERSTAND THE URGENCY AND WHO ARE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO ACCELERATE THAT FRONT END PROCESS. 
          SO IF WE LOSE A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME ON THE FRONT END AND GUARANTEE THE BACK END. 
          YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. 
          SO LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR, JUST BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA REQUIRE, I THINK THE MOTION FROM COUNSEL PREVIOUSLY WAS TO PROPOSE THE PROJECTS AND BRING BACK A PROCESS TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL. 
          SO IF YOU NEED, IF WE'RE OPENING THESE MID-DECEMBER, WE WOULD NEED A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING OF THIS BOARD 24TH, THE WEEK OF THANKSGIVING AT THE LATEST TO GET IT. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYBE THE HMM. 
          EARLY THANKSGIVING WEEK TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA FOR COUNCIL FOR THE FOURTH TO ISSUE IT ON THE FIFTH ISSUE, THE ADDENDUM. 
          DOES THAT GIVE YOU, DO YOU KNOW WHAT DATE YOU'RE OPENING? I KNOW I'M GETTING REAL PARTICULAR. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT OUR TARGET DATES AND OUR TOWARDS IF HE GONNA, IF HE'S, YOU THINK YOU CAN GET IT DONE IN TIME FOR THAT TO WE'LL WORK NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS TO GET IT DONE. 
          WE'LL MAKE SURE IT HAPPENS. 
          BUT I, I'VE GOT SOME COMMENT THOUGH ABOUT THIS PROCESS. 
          WHEN ARE YOU OPENING? UM, I BELIEVE I DON'T HAVE A CALENDAR IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IF, WHAT DAY OF THE WEEK IS IT? I'LL TELL YOU. 
          24TH. 
          I THINK WE WERE OPEN, I WANT TO SAY WE WERE OPENING ON DECEMBER 18TH. 
          THAT'S A THURSDAY. 
          IT'S A COUNCIL DAY. 
          DOES THAT ALL RING A BELL? WELL, I THINK THE, THE LATEST WE CAN GO THEN IS TO GET IT ON COUNCIL FOR THE 4TH OF DECEMBER. 
          OH YEAH. 
          IN ORDER TO TURN THAT AROUND. 
          'CAUSE THEN WE'D BE ABLE TO ISSUE IT ON THE FIFTH. 
          THAT GIVES THEM A WEEK AND A HALF-ISH. 
          IF IT IS ON THE 18TH, ON THE, WHAT? DECEMBER WE HAVE ON DECEMBER 4TH. 
          COUNSELOR KNOW, BUT WHAT, MEET WHAT WE MEAN. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO BACK INTO. 
          I JUST NEED TO CONFIRM WHEN THEY'RE OPENING SO WE CAN, IF WE HAVE TO CALL, UH, FOURTH, WE HAVE TO DO A SPECIAL MEETING, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          IF WE HAVE TO CALL COUPLE OF SPECIAL MEETINGS, JUST WORK FOR SURE. 
          THINK THE 24TH. 
          THE 24TH IS A MONDAY. 
          IT'S TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? TWO WEEKS. 
          17TH. 
          OKAY. 
          17TH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, ALL RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IDEALLY WE WOULD GET IT OUT  THE WEEK OF THE FOURTH, SO THAT THAT GIVES THEM A WEEK AND A HALF, ALMOST TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE BID OPENING. 
          WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GIVE THEM ANY ADDITIONAL TIME. 
          I CAN DO THAT. 
          WELL, RIGHT. 
          BUT TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO GET COUNCIL APPROVAL AND COUNCIL MEETING ISN'T UNTIL DECEMBER 4TH. 
          WELL THEN WE'LL BUMP THE MEETING UP. 
          BUMP THE COUNCIL MEETING UP. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF POWER IN THIS CITY, BUT I DO HAVE THE POWER TO CALL A MEETING AND OKAY. 
          I'M TELLING YOU, BASED ON WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, IT IT'S MORE THAN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE THE WHOLE WESTERN SIDE OF THE CITY IS DEPENDENT ON THIS. 
          AND, UM, IT'S ALL ALREADY BEHIND. 
          UM, FROM WHERE WE COULD, WE COULD DO A JOINT MEETING THAT'S TRUE AND PROVE AT THE SAME TIME EASIER AND GET IT DONE BETTER. 
          LET'S SAY THAT'S SAY'S FOUR PEOPLE MEETING THE SECOND TIME . 
          GREAT. 
          NOT JUST THE WEST SIDE OR MORE, I, I'M RESTRICTING HOW MUCH GROWTH WE CAN HAVE ON THE NORTH SIDE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE NORTH DRAINS AROUND TO THE WEST AND DRAINS. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I THINK I JUST GOT AN EMAIL. 
          SOMEONE'S FIRED UP ABOUT A HOTEL IN THE NORTH END. 
          PROBABLY . 
          YEAH. 
          SO REALITY IS WE, WE NEED THOSE PEOPLE PAYING, UH, WASTEWATER BILLS MM-HMM . 
          SO THAT WE CAN START SPREADING THAT PAYING AROUND . 
          SO MAY I? YES, SURE. 
          SO THE, THE CONCERN I HAVE AND, AND I'M JUST MAKING THIS AS AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE AGENDA TALKED ABOUT MANAGING THESE PROJECTS. 
          AND IF WE'RE JUST MANAGING THE PROJECT, IT'S NOT AN EDC PROJECT, IT'S A CITY PROJECT. 
          SO THIS HAS TO BE DELEGATED TO THE, FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT. 
          AND IT'S GONNA BE FUNDED THROUGH A CHAPTER THREE 80 FUNDING AGREEMENT, WHICH IS ALLOWED BY, FOR THE CITY TO PAY US THE MONEY IN ORDER TO DO THE PROJECT. 
          BUT IT NEEDS TO BE A, AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION PROJECT. 
          SO THAT MEANS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A PROJECT PERFORMANCE AGREEMENT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WE NEED TO HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARING, WE NEED TO HAVE ALL OF THE STEPS NECESSARY TO MAKE IT A PROJECT OF THIS ORGANIZATION. 
          WE CAN DO ALL THAT. 
          IT'S NOT HARD TO DO. 
          WE CAN PUT THOSE THINGS TOGETHER, BUT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THOSE MOTIONS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE SOMEONE CHALLENGE THIS AS REALLY JUST A MASQUERADING CITY PROJECT 
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TO TRY TO AVOID PROCUREMENT OR THE OTHER RULES THAT APPLY TO IT. 
          AND SO, UM, I I I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT WE GO THROUGH THIS. 
          WE CAN DO ALL THESE PROJECTS. 
          EXACTLY. 
          BUT WE JUST NEED TO DO THE RESOLUTIONS. 
          THE RESOLUTIONS NEED TO SHOW HOW THAT THESE MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS TO MEET ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND, AND PROJECT, YOU KNOW, UH, PRIMARY JOB GROWTH. 
          AND, UH, WE CAN DO ALL THAT. 
          BUT I, I WANT TO, TO TRY TO SET THIS UP SO THAT IT'S CLEARLY WITHIN THE LEGAL PARAMETERS ASSOCIATED WITH A PROJECT FOR THIS CORPORATION. 
          A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          I, I JUST, SO IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE, INSTEAD OF DISCUSSING IT AS A MANAGEMENT, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE DISCUSSED AS A, AS A PROJECT THAT THE CITY'S GOING TO FUND AUTHORIZED PROJECT OF THE BOARD. 
          IT'S AN AUTHORIZED PROJECT THAT CITY'S GOING TO FUND. 
          UH, AND SO THEN THAT WAY WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE SURE THEY'RE CLEARLY WITHIN THE SAME, YOU KNOW, UM, PARAMETERS OF, OF THE SCOPE OF THE RULES. 
          WELL, IF YOU'RE OKAY. 
          BOARD MEMBER THORNTON, UH, REVISING THE MOTION WITH THAT DIFFERENT LANGUAGE . 
          YEAH, NO, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          I MEAN, BASICALLY IT'S, IT'S EFFECTIVELY LIKE YOU HAVE A RESOLUTION SAYING, WE FIND THAT THIS IS AN ECNO ECONOMIC BENEFIT FOR THESE REASONS, AND THEREFORE WE'RE TAKING ON THIS PROJECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND SO WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A PROJECT AGREEMENT YEAH. 
          THAT THE, BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, WE'LL HAVE A RESOLUTION, WE'LL PREPARE RESOLUTION FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, JUST LIKE WE'VE DONE THE OTHER FUNDING AGREEMENTS THAT WE'VE DONE FOR OTHER PROJECTS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          JUST LIKE THAT. 
          WE'LL JUST KNOCK 'EM OUT FOR EACH ONE OF THESE, THE, THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE, UH, TALKED ABOUT TODAY MM-HMM . 
          GEORGE, FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, DO YOU HAVE TO DO THEM INDIVIDUALLY OR COULD YOU DO ONE AGREEMENT AND JUST ATTACH THE FOUR PROJECTS TO IT? THAT WAY YOU COULD ALWAYS MODIFY THE ATTACHMENT AS YOU ADD MORE PROJECTS. 
          UH, WE, WE CAN, EXCEPT THAT THE PERFORMANCE PARAMETERS UNDER THE 5 0 4 OR 5 0 5 1 6 OH UM, HAS TO HAVE CER YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO HAVE A CLAWBACK PROVISION. 
          IT HAS TO HAVE THE NUMBER OF, OF CA YOU KNOW, THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND THEN THE NUMBER OF POTENTIAL OF PRIMARY JOBS THAT IT'S GOING TO PROMOTE. 
          AND SO IF THOSE ARE DIFFERENT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD THAT TO THAT ADDENDUM AS, AS A, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE CAN SAY AS PROVIDED FOR IN THE ADDENDUM. 
          SO WE CAN CREATE 'EM, WE, WE CAN CREATE IT FOR THAT PURPOSE. 
          AND THEN FOR FUTURE PROJECTS, ALL YOU'D HAVE TO DO IS ADOPT THE ADDENDUMS TO GO TO THE AGREEMENT AND HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT, UH, PUBLIC HEARING THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING FOR, IS, 'CAUSE THEN WHEN THEY WANT TO ADD MORE PROJECTS, YOU'RE JUST AT ATTACHING A NEW ADDENDUM EACH TIME. 
          IT'S LIKE A STOP SIGN ORDINANCE. 
          YOU JUST KEEP ADDING  RIGHT. 
          TO THE, AS YOU ADD STOP SIGNS. 
          YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          PERHAPS I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT ENTIRELY, BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH TRYING TO FIND DOCUMENTS PERTINENT TO PROJECTS, UH, IT'S BEEN CHALLENGING. 
          SO I THINK THE MORE CLARITY THAT WE CAN PROVIDE AND KEEPING THEM SEPARATE, AGAIN, BACK TO THE TEMPLATE, I KNOW WE'VE GOT TEMPLATED RESOLUTIONS FOR PROJECTS LIKE THIS FOR THREE 80 AGREEMENTS. 
          WE'VE GOT TEMPLATED FUNDING AGREEMENTS. 
          SO I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE A HEAVY LIFT TO MAKE THOSE EDITS AND TURN 'EM AROUND. 
          BUT I DO THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR RECORDS KEEPING AND CLARITY TO KEEP THE PROJECTS SEPARATE. 
          BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, THEY ARE GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT PERFORMANCE. 
          AND IF WE GET A DOZEN PLUS OF THESE PROJECTS GOING, HOW IS ANYBODY GONNA BE ABLE TO SIFT THROUGH THAT AND FIGURE OUT WHICH PERFORMANCE IS TIED TO WHICH ADDENDUM TO PROJECT TO ALL THE THINGS. 
          I JUST THINK THAT MIGHT BE A BIG, BIG CAN OF WORMS THAT MIGHT GET REAL MESSY. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE MY PROPOSAL, IS JUST DO THE TEMPLATED STUFF AND DO ONE PER AND JUST KNOCK 'EM OUT. 
          SEE, I THINK, AND TELL ME, MATT, BUT I I, I, MY MY PERCEPTION IS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS LIKE A MASTER SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR AN ENGINEERING COMPANY. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IT, MIKE. 
          AND SO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS YOU WANT TO DO THE, THE, THE, THE SEPARATE ADD ALL AND SO THAT YOU HAVE THE MASTER AGREEMENT. 
          AND ALL WE'RE DOING IS ADDING DIFFERENT PROJECTS TO IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I THINK WE CAN DO THAT. 
          BUT IF WE DO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THOSE PER PROJECT ISSUES IN THAT ADDENDUM. 
          UM, BUT, UH, AND SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT'S, SO I'M GLAD I COULD READ YOUR MIND THIS TIME, . 
          UM, BUT UH, AND IT'LL HELP YOU 'CAUSE THERE'D BE ONE AGREEMENT. 
          YOU JUST GOTTA PULL UP THAT AGREEMENT AND THEN JUST GO TO THE ADDENDUMS. RIGHT. 
          IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN WE DO, SO, IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN WE DO OUR ENGINEERING, WE HAVE A MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH THE ENGINEERS MM-HMM . 
          EACH TIME WE DO A NEW IPOA NEW TASK ORDER. 
          LIKE WE HAVE THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE SCOPE, WE HAVE THE FEE, WE HAVE EVERYTHING. 
          AND IT'S TRACKED AS A SEPARATE PROJECT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING ALL OVER AGAIN OF DOING A WHOLE NEW CONTRACT. 
          ALL THOSE GENERAL TERMS AND CONDITIONS ARE IN THAT MASTER AGREEMENT. 
          ALL WE'RE DOING IS ATTACHING THIS NEW SPECIFIC CONTRACT LANGUAGE TO IT, SAYING, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GONNA 
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DO. 
          THIS IS HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST. 
          THESE ARE ALL THE PROS AND CONS OF IT. 
          THESE ARE THE, IN THIS CASE, THESE ARE THE, THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS THAT TIE IT BACK TO AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          BECAUSE THEN OTHERWISE YOU HAVE A BOOK THAT YOU HAVE WITH EVERY PROJECT VERSUS JUST THIS THING THAT YOU'RE JUST GROWING AS YOU CONTINUE. 
          SO THEN THE TERMS THAT WOULD APPLY TO ANY PROJECT, NO MATTER WHAT WOULD BE IN THAT MASTER AGREEMENT, AND THEN EACH SPECIFIC PROJECT WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN ADDENDUM RIGHT. 
          ATTACHED TO THAT MASTER AGREEMENT. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ONE METHOD BETTER THAN THE OTHER. 
          I WAS JUST THINKING IN THE INTEREST OF EXPEDIENCY, AS YOU GUYS CONTINUE TO ADD MORE PROJECTS, THEN ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS DO THE ADDENDUM AND YOU'RE DONE. 
          VERSUS DOING THIS WHOLE PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN. 
          WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT. 
          AND EVERYTHING ANYWAY. 
          SO, I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING, THE RESOLUTION WITH THE ADDENDUM TO BE ADDED. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE YOUR, YOUR REPEAT RINSE AND REPEAT PROJECT PROCESS. 
          AND WOULD THE FUNDING AGREEMENT HAVE TO BE UPDATED EVERY TIME TOO? 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT DOLLAR AMOUNT. 
          AND I USE STOP SIGN ORDINANCES AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          'CAUSE WHAT YOU BASICALLY DO IS YOU HAVE THE SAME STOP SIGN ORDINANCE THAT MAKES IT PROHIBITED. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE AN EXHIBIT THAT SAYS, AT THIS INTERSECTION, AT THIS INTERSECTION, AND THEN AS THERE'S NEW STOP SIGNS ADDED, YOU JUST ADD THEM TO THE SAME LIST. 
          SO THAT WAY THE LATEST ORDINANCE HAS ALL OF THEM IN IT. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT IF WE DESIGN IT THAT WAY, THEN ALL YOU WOULD NEED TO LOOK FOR IS THE, IS THE LATEST DOCUMENT. 
          AND THAT LA THAT ADDENDUM WILL BE WITH IT FOR ALL OF THE PROJECTS. 
          SO YOU'LL STILL HAVE WHATEVER THE LATEST ONE WAS. 
          WE'LL HAVE ALL THE PROJECTS IN IT EVERY TIME. 
          I THINK THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE TO SET UP LIKE A MASTER AGREEMENT FOR THE FUNDING, LIKE A THREE 80 AND THEN DO ADDENDUMS FOR EACH PROJECT TO THAT. 
          BECAUSE THE FUNDS ARE GONNA BE DIFFERENT. 
          AM I WRONG? RIGHT. 
          NO, I, WELL, AND I, I ALSO HAD A QUESTION 'CAUSE JUST, MATT, THIS IS YOUR AREA, BUT FOR MASTER SERVICES AGREEMENTS, DON'T WE HAVE TO RENEW THOSE EVERY YEAR? AND HOW DOES THAT IM, WE DON'T HAVE TO. 
          SO I THOUGHT WE HAD SEEN SOMETHING ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA WITH, BUT THE REASON WE BRING THOSE BACK EVERY YEAR IS BECAUSE CITY LEGAL REQUIRES US TO BRING THEM BACK EVERY YEAR. 
          MM. 
          OKAY. 
          THE LANGUAGE IN THERE ACTUALLY SAYS THAT THEY ARE GOOD FOR THE DURATION THREE YEARS WITH ADDITIONAL TWO YEAR WINDOWS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT CITY LEGAL PREFERS THAT WE BRING THEM BACK EVERY YEAR FOR COUNSEL TO RECONSIDER THEM IN CASE COUNSEL DECIDES THEY DON'T WANNA DO THEM AGAIN. 
          GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE A BUDGET APPROPRIATIONS REQUIRE THAT BECAUSE IT COMES, THE MONEY FOR THAT PROJECT HAS TO BE EARMARKED TO FALL TO, TO GO BACK INTO THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR. 
          SO WOULDN'T THAT APPLY HERE THOUGH TOO, BECAUSE WE'RE EFFECTIVELY DOING THE SAME THING, SO THEN EVERY FISCAL YEAR WE HAVE TO TRUE UP WHAT WAS SPENT THAT FISCAL YEAR AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S REMAINING. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, IT'S JUST THAT WE'RE NOT A GOVERNMENTALLY BODY. 
          SO WE'RE STILL ON THE HOOK. 
          WHETHER THE CITY COUNCIL GIVES IT TO US OR NOT, WHERE, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL ISN'T ON THE HOOK BECAUSE THEY'RE A GOVERNED BODY. 
          IF THEY DON'T, IF THEY DON'T APPROPRIATE FUNDS, THEN, THEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE IMMUNE FROM THE CONTRACT LOSS. 
          'CAUSE IT'S A LEGISLATIVE ACT. 
          BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE PROVISIONS THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT PUTTING INTO THESE AGREEMENTS SO THAT IF THE CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T APPROPRIATE THE FUNDS, THEN WE'RE NOT IN BREACH OF CONTRACT. 
          SO, WOULD ANYONE MIND RESTATING THE MOTION?  FOR THE RECORD?  WHAT? WHAT THEY SAID . 
          WELL, IT'S, THANKS. 
          IT'S TO APPROVE THE PROJECTS AS PRESENTED BY STAFF, BUT NOT MANAGED, BUT PART OF A, WHAT DID YOU SAY THE WORDING WAS? IT, IT, IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE A, A DELEGATION OF THE PROJECT FOR OUR, UH, AND FUNDING. 
          UH, LET ME, LET ME THINK ABOUT A MINUTE. 
          YOU APPROVE THE, THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE RECOMMENDATION FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS PROVIDED BY THE CITY AND THAT WE ARE INSTRUCTED NOW TO GO THROUGH THE PROJECT, UM, DOCUMENTATION PHASE SO THAT YOU CAN IMPROVE THOSE AND MOVE FORWARD. 
          BECAUSE THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT RECOMME NOT EASY TO BE THE CITY SECRETARY, IS IT? NOPE. 
          . 
          UM, BEFORE YOU GUYS TAKE THE VOTE, CAN I JUST ASK ONE QUESTION? YEAH, SURE. 
          UH, AT ONE POINT WE HAD DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITY OF MAYBE THE EDC DOING THE EXCHANGE PROJECT, NOT THE ONE THAT SHE ALREADY READ, WHICH IS EXCHANGE, OR SORRY, FROM LIVE OAK TO EDGE MI, BUT THE ACTUAL INTERSECTION, RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TWO IN CLOSE PROXIMITY, YOU'VE GOT THE ROUNDABOUT RIGHT OUT HERE AT EXCHANGE IN LIVE OAK. 
          THAT WAS ONE PROJECT THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY YOU GUYS TAKING OVER. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS OBVIOUSLY THE EXTENSION OF LIVE OAK FROM THE DEAD END ALL THE 
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WAY TO ED SCHMIDT. 
          THAT ONE WAS IN THE LIST, BUT I JUST WANT, BEFORE YOU GUYS TOOK THE VOTE APPROVING THE LIST THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE ONE AT EXCHANGE IN LIVE OAK. 
          SO I JUST WONDER IF THERE WAS ANY, I I THINK THAT ONE WAS LOOKING AT BEING BASED ON AN IDEA THAT COUNCIL MAYOR THOMPSON HAD. 
          THAT MAY BE A TURS ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, A TOURS PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          I, YEAH, I MEAN, TO ME, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST PLACE FOR THAT. 
          I DON'T CARE WHERE IT IS. 
          I WANT IT TO GO WHATEVER THE BEST PLACE IS TO GET THAT PROJECT DONE. 
          AND IF IT WORKS OUT WHEN THE TOURS GREAT. 
          IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT IN THE TURS, THEN MAYBE IT IS THE EDC, I DON'T KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT DOES ECONOMIC, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT INTERSECTION DOESN'T GET DONE SOON. 
          WE, WE HAVE PROJECTS WAITING FOR, WELL LIVE OAK ALL ACROSS, I GUESS BUILDING IS COTTONWOOD. 
          IF IT'S A TURT PROJECT, WHERE'S THE FUNDING COMING FROM? IS THE CITY GOING TO BE INVESTING THAT IS A DEVELOPER GOING TO INVEST THAT? AND THEN THET IS GONNA REIMBURSE, REIMBURSE IT? THERE IS, THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVEN'T HAPPENED YET. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S JUST AN IDEA AT THIS POINT. 
          I SEE. 
          I'M NOT ON THAT BOARD, SO I DON'T, IT'S UP TO THEM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          IT'S JUST WHEN YOU SAY IT'S A TUR PROJECT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY IT'S POTENTIAL TUR PROJECT. 
          SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA ADD THAT ONE TO THE LIST. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE GONNA WAIT, HAVE OTHER CONVERSATIONS AND THEN POTENTIALLY COME BACK AND ADD IT. 
          YEAH, I THINK SO. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO CAN I RESTATE A MOTION NOW AFTER LISTENING TO EVERYBODY? SO WHAT I HEARD WAS MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER SNYDER. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IT WAS SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER THORNTON. 
          OKAY. 
          TO APPROVE THE CIP PROJECTS PRESENTED BY STAFF AS AUTHORIZED PROJECTS OF THE CORPORATION AND TO AUTHORIZE STAFF TO PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT DOCUMENTS. 
          YEP. 
          IS THAT, IT'S PERFECT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE DIDN'T USE CHAT GPT FOR THAT. 
          I KNOW. 
           RIGHT HERE. 
          NO. 
          SO WE HAD THE MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER SNYDER SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER THORNTON, WHAT SHE SAID. 
          , UM,  OFFICIAL POLICY. 
          YES. 
          UH, ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? OKAY. 
          PLEASE CALL THE VOTE BOARD MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER THORNTON AYE. 
          SECRETARY GONZALEZ. 
          AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER MORRIS AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER SNYDER. 
          AYE. 
          VICE CHAIR MORALES AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SIX ZERO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM SIX SIX. 
          DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ACCESS AND ROAD DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTIES BOARD MEMBER SNYDER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MS. VICE PRESIDENT . 
          I BROUGHT THIS ITEM UP. 
          IT CAME TO THE ATTENTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL, I BELIEVE TWO MEETINGS AGO THAT SOME KIND OF COMMUNICATION MIGHT, THIS IS MY INTERPRETATION. 
          THERE'S A COMMUNICATION ISSUE WITH THE 1 32 SIGNAL TXDOT. 
          I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE, SOME OF US THOUGHT TXDOT WAS PUTTING THIS SIGNAL IN TEMPORARILY WHILE THE INTERSECTION GOT DESIGNED. 
          AND TDOT THOUGHT SOMEONE ELSE WAS GOING TO BE DESIGNING THAT. 
          AND SO THEY DIDN'T WORK ON TEMPORARY SIGNALS. 
          AND SO IT IS A EDC 240 ACRE, UH, OWNED DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND I'D LIKE US TO REALLY ENGAGE A TRAFFIC, A TRAFFIC, UH, ENGINEER I GUESS TO DESIGN. 
          WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SAY? SO I CONTACTED THE CITY MANAGER WHEN WE FOUND OUT AND THE ENGINEER WAS BROUGHT IN. 
          AND CAN YOU DISCUSS WHAT YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING INTO ON THE CITY? YOU KNOW, AFTER DISCUSSING WITH THE CITY MANAGER AT ALL? I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME THINGS BEING, THERE'S THINGS BEING INVESTIGATED IN IN THAT AREA. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHICH I KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING 'CAUSE I DID GET A SNEAK PEEK AT AN AGENDA ITEM COMING UP ON THE 20TH THAT INCLUDES SOMETHING OVER HERE TOO. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          SO YOU'RE CORRECT THAT WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT TEXTILE WAS MOVING FORWARD WITH A TEMPORARY SIGNAL. 
          ONCE THE ENGINEER WHO WAS WORKING WITH MIDWAY STARTED THEIR TIA PROCESS, TXDOT CANCELED THEIR PROJECT AND THEY SAID THE DEVELOPER'S GONNA DO IT. 
          WELL THEN WE TOLD THEM THAT THE DEVELOPER'S NO LONGER MOVING FORWARD. 
          EDC AND DEVELOPER HAVE PARTED WAYS. 
          AND SO THEY SAID, OKAY, WELL WE'RE NOT DOING IT EITHER. 
          AND SO CITY MANAGER HAS ASKED ME TO LOOK AT, UH, TRYING TO COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN ON HOW WE COULD, THE CITY COULD GO BACK AND DO A SIGNAL THERE. 
          UH, SO I HAD REACHED OUT TO THE COUNTY TO ASK BALLPARK HOW MUCH IT COST THEM TO DO THEIR, THEIR TEMPORARY SIGNALS ON 79. 
          UM, THEY GAVE 
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ME A BALLPARK, WHICH IS TRUE TO THE COUNTY, UH, BETWEEN 200 AND $250,000. 
          THE CAVEAT, AND IT'S A BIG CAVEAT, IS THAT NONE OF THEIR SIGNALS INVOLVED RAILROAD OUR SIGNAL WOULD INVOLVE RAILROAD, WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PREEMPTION. 
          IT'S A LOT MORE INVOLVED. 
          YOUR SIGNAL, UH, A PERTINENT STRUCTURE, YOUR CABINET, YOUR COMPUTERS, ALL THAT STUFF IS DIFFERENT THAN JUST PUTTING UP A TEMPORARY SIGNAL. 
          SO, UM, I'VE TALKED TO FINANCE, WE'VE GOT A BALLPARK NUMBER. 
          WE ARE REACHING OUT TO ONE OF OUR, UH, ROTATION LIST ENGINEERS TO ASK THEM TO PUT A SCOPE AND FEE TOGETHER SO WE CAN GET A BETTER NUMBER. 
          WE'RE NOT COMMITTING THE CITY TO ANYTHING. 
          WE'RE JUST ASKING THEM TO GIVE US A SCOPE AND FEE AND A SCHEDULE ON HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE AND HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO THEN WE CAN HAVE A MORE INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION WITH FINANCE ON WHAT WE THINK IT'LL ACTUALLY COST. 
          AND THEN COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND TELL 'EM EXACTLY WHAT WE THINK IT'S GONNA COST, HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          I DID MEET WITH, WAIT, SORRY, NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT WHAT WOULD COST FOR A TEMPORARY OR FOR A PERMANENT? TEMPORARY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND I DID, SO I HAD A MEETING OUT ON SITE WITH TXDOT AND UPRR. 
          IT WAS NOT TO DISCUSS THE SIGNAL, IT WAS TO THIS A DIFFERENT PROJECT, BUT IT WAS THERE DISCUSSING THAT PARTICULAR CROSSING. 
          AND, UM, THERE WERE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS. 
          UPR BASICALLY SAID, THE CITY JUST NEEDS TO DO A, A GRADE SEPARATED CROSSING HERE AND BE DONE. 
          I WAS LIKE, YEAH, YOU GUYS GONNA FOOT THE BILL FOR THAT. 
          UM, TXDOT WAS THERE. 
          THEY WEREN'T AWARE OF THE WHOLE THING. 
          SO I CLARIFIED WITH THEM. 
          THEY, THEY AGREED THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. 
          SO THEY TOLD ME, AND UPRR CONFIRMED IT, THAT ONCE THE SIGNAL IS DESIGNED AND YOU HAVE ALL DOCUMENTATION TO UPRR, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A MINIMUM OF TWO TO THREE YEARS BEFORE UPRR SIGNS OFF ON THE PREEMPTION. 
          SO IF WE STARTED TODAY AND I COULD GET A DESIGN DONE SIX TO NINE MONTHS, YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT ANOTHER TWO TO THREE YEARS FROM THAT POINT BEFORE UPRR SIGNS OFF ON US PUTTING ANYTHING OUT THERE THAT'S A PREEMPTION FOR THE TEMPORARY. 
          SO THEN MY GUESS IS YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN TO GO FROM TEMPORARY TO PERMANENT. 
          CORRECT. 
          THE, SO THIS, HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE ISSUE WITH PERMANENT. 
          UPRR IS STANDING THEIR GROUND, THEY'RE REFUSING TO LET US WIDEN THAT CROSSING AT ALL. 
          WHICH MEANS YOU CAN ONLY FIT ONE LANE NORTH, ONE LANE SOUTH, WHICH WE ALL KNOW IS NOT GONNA BE SUFFICIENT. 
          SO WHAT DID YOU SAY? UPR REFUSED TO WHAT? TO ALLOW US TO WIDEN THE CROSSING. 
          OH. 
          UM, SO THEIR STANCE IS, IS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO WIDEN THAT CROSSING, WE NEED TO ELIMINATE OTHER CROSSINGS. 
          WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF CROSSINGS TO ELIMINATE. 
          SO I, I DON'T KNOW THE PATH FORWARD, WE'RE KIND OF AT THIS WEIRD JUNCTURE WHERE NOTHING IS HAPPENING, BUT WE'RE ALL TALKING AND I'M TRYING TO  TRYING TO NAVIGATE THROUGH THAT INTERESTING THING. 
          BUT IS, IS THAT WHAT CITY MANAGER HAD SHARED WITH YOU? IS ALL THIS BACK CHANNEL CONVERSATIONS I'M HAVING. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW THAT DETAIL ABOUT THAT CONVERSATION. 
          I I KNEW THAT YOU HAD STARTED INVESTIGATING WHEN I TALKED ABOUT IT WITH THE CITY MANAGER. 
          YEAH. 
          HE SAID WE, WE BOTH AGREED. 
          WE SEE IT AS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN GET IT ADDRESSED. 
          YEP. 
          AND BY WHATEVER FUNDING MECHANISM IS THE WAY TO GET IT THERE. 
          AND THAT WE NEEDED TO INVESTIGATE WHAT COULD BE DONE ON A FAST TIMELINE. 
          AND THEN, BUT THEN ALSO I, I HAD SAID WE SHOULD LOOK AT HOW TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY TOO AND THEN FIGURE OUT, SO IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE, BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WE MIGHT AS WELL DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. 
          'CAUSE IT'S, IF IT'S GONNA TAKE TWO TO THREE YEARS MINIMUM, I MEAN, WHY WOULD WE DO IT TEMPORARY AND THEN, YOU KNOW, START THE PROCESS OVER TO DO A PERMANENT YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DOING A TEMPORARY AND THEN I MEAN TEMPORARY VERSUS A PERMANENT AND TIMEFRAME? WELL, IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO TRY TO DO A SIGNAL TIMEFRAME WOULDN'T BE VERY DIFFERENT. 
          UM, IF THIS IS WHERE IT STARTS, YOU START GETTING INTO ALL THE IF ANDS AND WHAT IFS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          SO IF, IF WE ARE GOING TO RE-LOOK AT THE IDEA OF DOING SOME OTHER TYPE OF INTERACTION, RIGHT? UPRR IS ALL ABOUT GETTING RID OF THE AT GRADE CROSSING. 
          THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T LIKE IT. 
          AND THAT WAS MADE VERY CLEAR. 
          SO THE PURPOSE OF THE SITE VISIT WAS BECAUSE OF SKYBOX. 
          SKYBOX IS PROPOSING TO PUT A TURN LANE ON US 79. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE OUT THERE DISCUSSING IS THE POSSIBILITY AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND WHAT IT WOULD REQUIRE OUT OF THE SKYBOX TEAM. 
          UM, UPRR MADE 
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MULTIPLE COMMENTS MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT HOW WE JUST NEEDED TO ELIMINATE THE CROSSING BECAUSE THEY STARTED THE ENTIRE MEETING OFF GOING BACK THROUGH THE HISTORY OF THAT CROSSING. 
          NOT FROM A ROAD SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, BUT FROM A RAIL SAFETY PERSPECTIVE. 
          AND THEY POINTED OUT THAT THAT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THEIR UNSAFEST CROSSINGS AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS THAT THEY'VE HAD THERE, UH, IN THIS REGION. 
          AND SO IT'S POORLY LIT. 
          IT'S TINY. 
          THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF ISSUES WITH TRUCKS TRYING TO TURN AND KNOCKING DOWN THEIR, THEIR GATES AND KNOCK DOWN THEIR CROSS BUCKLES AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          ALL THE THINGS THAT WIDENING WOULD SOLVE. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          PUTTING, MAKING IT A SAFE CROSSING. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT HERE'S MY ONLY CONCERN. 
          I KNOW THEY WON A BRIDGE AND THERE'S THIS THING THAT, OH, THE COUNTY WAS GONNA HELP US. 
          THE COUNTY WAS GONNA GIVE US $2 MILLION, 2 MILLION BUCKS TOWARDS, UH, AN $80 MILLION BRIDGE WITH A, WHAT WAS THE ROADS? NORTH AND SOUTH, ALMOST A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN ROADS. 
          WE HAD, UH, THE ENTIRE, YEAH, SO THE ENTIRE HUDDLE ARTERIAL YEAH. 
          WAS UH, I BELIEVE THE COUNTY WAS GONNA DO THE NORTH SECTION AND THE SOUTH SECTION. 
          WE WERE GONNA DO THE MIDDLE SECTION. 
          AND I BELIEVE THE COUNTY'S TOTAL COST FOR THE NORTH AND SOUTH WAS EQUAL TO OUR COST FOR THE MIDDLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WHAT, AND OURS WAS LIKE A HUNDRED MILLION. 
          IT WAS, UH, IT WAS RIGHT AT 82 WAS THE LAST COST ESTIMATE I SAW. 
          PLUS THE BRIDGE. 
          NO, THAT WAS WITH THE BRIDGE. 
          I MEAN, WE HAD TWO CIP PROJECTS. 
          ONE WAS LIKE 40 SOMETHING MILLION, ONE WAS LIKE $50 MILLION FOR ROADS. 
          THAT'S THE NORTH SECTION AND THE SOUTH SECTION. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S ON 90, THAT'S ABOUT 90 MILLION PLUS THE BRIDGE WAS AN 80 MILLION. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S ON OUR RCIP TO TAKE CARE OF. 
          WELL, IT WAS, YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THIS WHOLE THING, IT ALWAYS KILLS ME WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT OUT THERE, OH, EVERYBODY'S GONNA HELP US, BUT NO ONE'S OFFERING MONEY. 
          THEY'RE HELPING US BY TELLING US WHAT TO DO. 
          AND THE PROBLEM THAT SOME OF US HAVE ON COUNCIL, AND I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF, WAS THAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT PARTNERSHIPS, BUT THE PARTNERSHIP WAS YOU GO BUILD A $80 MILLION BRIDGE AND YOU PUT IN ANOTHER $80 MILLION IN ROADS AND IF YOU BUILD IT TO STATE SPEC, WE'LL SWITCH THE ROAD OVER AND THAT'LL BE THE NEW 1660 AND EVERYBODY WILL BE HAPPY. 
          BUT WE HAVE A CITY WITH A $20 MILLION BUDGET, AND THERE IS NO MEANS WE COULD AFFORD A HUNDRED PLUS MILLION DOLLARS AND FORGET A MINOR, UH, TAX INCREASE. 
          IT WOULD BE ASTRONOMICAL BECAUSE WE HAVE A 20, I THINK THIS PAST YEAR WE HAD 24 MILLION IN PROPERTY TAXES. 
          AND SO YOU'RE GONNA THROW IN A, A 100 AND SOMETHING MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT FUNDED SOLELY ON THE BACKS OF US. 
          AND SO I DO KNOW THERE WAS SOME MONEY, SOMETHING WITH THE, UM, THE ROAD THAT WAS OFFERED BY THE STATE THAT EXPIRED A FEW YEARS AGO. 
          AND THE INTERESTING THING IS, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER DIDN'T WANT US TALKING TO TDOT ABOUT IT. 
          AND SO I THOUGHT THIS IS SOMETHING SOMEONE WAS TRYING TO HELP US UNTIL I WAS AT A MEETING WITH TXDOT AND THEY ASKED WHY WE WEREN'T ACTING ON IT. 
          AND I SAID, HOW DID YOU GUYS KNOW? I THOUGHT THIS IS A SECRET. 
          NO. 
          SO THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON. 
          I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT THERE. 
          BUT SHORT OF LIKE WINNING POWERBALL, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO MAKE A, YOU KNOW, MAKE JUST CRAZY AND SWAG STATEMENTS ABOUT WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR A ROAD WHEN ULTIMATELY, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, IN MY WAY, IN MY, IN MY THINKING, WE HAVE TO FIGURE A WAY TO MAKE, AT LEAST ON THE NORTH SIDE BE AN INTERSECTION THAT SUPPORTS RETAIL DEVELOPMENT WITH THE FUTURE BRIDGE AT SOME POINT. 
          BUT IF WE THROW A BRIDGE IN NOW AND WE KILL ALL THE RETAIL, THEN WE JUST SPENT $20 MILLION ON LAND AND THEN RAN $40 MILLION IN WATER AND WASTEWATER THROUGH IT SO THAT WE CAN BUILD HOUSES, WHICH WE DO HAVE SOME PEOPLE ON COUNCIL THAT ARE CONSTANTLY VOTING FOR HOME HOMES. 
          AND THEN THERE'S A GROUP OF US THAT ARE LIKE, WE NEED SERVICES FOR THE PEOPLE WE LIVE HERE. 
          SO YEAH. 
          AND THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL IDEA WHEN WE INDEFINITELY POSTPONED THE, THE CROSSING PROJECT WAS TO ALLOW THE MIDWAY ENGINEERING TEAM TO DESIGN ANY WIDENING OF 1 32 ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 79, PUT IN A SIGNAL AND JUST LEAVE THE SOUTH SIDE OF 1 32 COMPLETELY AS IT STANDS TODAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE THOUGHT AT THE TIME. 
          AND THEN WHEN THEY KICKED OFF THEIR TIA TX PAUSED THEIR PROJECT, UM, ONE BIT OF GOOD NEWS THAT I CAN SHARE IS THAT WHILE I WAS OUT THERE, UPRR DID SAY THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO HELP US TRY TO GET THROUGH THE FRA GRANT PROCESS BECAUSE THE FEDERAL RAILROAD ADMINISTRATION HAS A GRANT, UH, THAT, THAT BENEFITS ORGANIZATIONS THAT TRY TO ELIMINATE AT GRADE CROSSINGS THE STATE LEGISLATURE ALSO, APPARENTLY THIS PAST CYCLE HAS ALLOCATED, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO REMOVING AT GRADE CROSSINGS. 
          AND SO THE TDOT REPRESENTATIVE THAT WAS OUT THERE, HIS NAME'S BILL ECCLES, HE INDICATED THAT HE WOULD BE WILLING TO HELP US TRY TO GET THAT GRANT MONEY AS WELL. 
          SO THERE WOULD BE POTENTIAL, 
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ASSUMING THAT WE DECIDED TO GO THAT ROUTE, UH, POTENTIAL TO GET FEDERAL AND STATE DOLLARS TO HELP US FUND IT. 
          GOING VERTICAL. 
          GOING VERTICAL. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THE COUNCIL TWICE HAS VOTED. 
          I KNOW, I, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, I'M HAVING ALL THE CONVERSATIONS. 
          I CAN BRING ALL THE THINGS. 
          I THINK WE GOTTA GO TO BED EVERY NIGHT AND WAKE UP EVERY MORNING. 
          WE NEED TO WIDEN THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT INTERSECTION. 
          WE NEED TO SIGNALIZE 79. 
          AND IN MY MIND, I DON'T KNOW WHY, I'LL BE HONEST, I DON'T KNOW WHY SKYBOX WITH THE SMALL AMOUNT OF EMPLOYEES THEY HAVE IS OUT TRYING TO WORK ON 1 32 UNLESS IT HELPS US. 
          BUT, UM, I I WISH THERE WAS ANOTHER ROAD IS THERE'S ONE CROSSING AT THE MEGA SITE WE COULD CLOSE, RIGHT? TWO. 
          UH, WELL, I MEAN I THINK THERE'S TWO ON EDC OWNED PROPERTY AND THEN I THINK THERE'S ONE ON THE TITAN PROPERTY AS WELL. 
          SO THIS IS LIKE, JIM CAGE IS PROBABLY A NO. 
          AND 1660 IS A NO, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE JUST SPENT FOUR YEARS DESIGNING IT. 
          SO I MEAN, HERE'S, HERE'S WHERE, AND AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU'VE SHARED THIS OR NOT, BUT PROBABLY NOT. 
          UM,  THERE'S UH, THERE'S LEGAL REASONS THAT THAT HASN'T BEEN SHARED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'D PREFER THAT THAT NOT BE DISCUSSED. 
          OKAY. 
          IF I AM ANTICIPATING WHAT YOU'RE, MAYBE MAYBE THAT'S AN, AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT I, I THINK, UM, BOARD MEMBER SNYDER HAS CLARIFIED, BUT MY NAIVE PERSPECTIVE IS, IS THAT IT'S SPLITTING THIS INTO TWO, LET'S, LET'S DEAL WITH THE 1 32 NORTH OF 79. 
          GET THAT INTERSECTION GOING, HOW BEST POSSIBLE TO DEAL WITH THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTY AND THEN SEPARATE OUT THE 1 32 SOUTH AFTER RAILROAD TRACK IN SOUTH AS A SEPARATE THING, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT BOARD MEMBER SNYDER WAS ALLUDING TO. 
          BUT I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS, I MEAN WE'VE GOT THESE TWO COMPETING THINGS AND OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE NOT ADDRESSING THE RAILROAD TRACK CROSSING WHAT ARE LIVES AND ARE AT STAKE AND WELL PROPERTY DAMAGE AND THINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO THROW THAT OUT JUST TO MEAN AN ECONOMIC THING, BUT, AND, AND YOU CAN'T. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, SO TO TO SECRETARY GONZALEZ'S ORIGINAL QUESTION, WHICH STARTED US DOWN THIS ROAD, IF YOU ARE JUST KEEPING EVERYTHING ONE LANE NORTH, ONE LANE SOUTH, AND TWO LANES EAST, TWO LANES WEST AS IT SITS TODAY, YOU'RE NOT WIDENING ANYTHING. 
          YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY IMPROVING ANYTHING OTHER THAN SAFETY. 
          YOU STILL CAN'T LEAVE THE RAILROAD OUT. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO PUT WHATEVER YOU'RE GONNA PUT OUT THERE CABLES. 
          SO TEMPORARY SIGNAL OR POLES AND MASS ARMS FOR A PERMANENT SIGNAL. 
          AND THEN THAT DOESN'T IMPROVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN SAFETY REALLY IS ALL YOU'RE IMPROVING AT THAT POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT COULD BE DONE FAIRLY QUICKLY. 
          SIX TO NINE MONTHS YOU'RE DESIGN DONE, THEN TWO TO THREE YEARS YOU GET THROUGH THE UPRR PROCESS AND YOU CAN START CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND UM, MAYBE I'M, I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED THIS, BUT THE PURPOSE OF WIDENING IT ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UM, WIDENING, WINDING THE RAIL SIDE WAS JUST FOR BETTER FLOW OR WAS IT SAFETY? MORE SAFETY? UM, WHAT IT'S GOING WELL, IT IT, ARE THEY GONNA MAKE US DO THAT OR ARE THEY JUST NO, OR THEY WON'T DO IT? NO, IS WHAT YOU SAID. 
          IN FACT, WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE TALKING ABOUT THE SKY BOX ISSUE, THEY SAID THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT IF WE PUT A TURN LANE RIGHT UP HERE AT 79, AND I SAID, WELL THAT DOESN'T DO YOU ANY GOOD. 
          YOU HAVE TO WIDEN THE CROSSING BECAUSE OF PUTTING A TURN LANE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE TRACKS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN NOW SIT SIDE BY SIDE DOESN'T IMPROVE FLOW BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET ANYBODY ACROSS THE TRACKS AT THAT POINT. 
          RIGHT, UHHUH. 
          'CAUSE AS SOON AS ONE TRUCK PULLS ACROSS THE TRACKS, EVERYBODY ELSE IS JUST STUCK IN LINE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND SO, UM, THAT THE POINT OF WIDENING IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT IS TO IMPROVE THE THROUGHPUT OF THAT INTERSECTION. 
          NOT EVERYBODY'S WORKING TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. 
          SOME PEOPLE I THINK THEY SPEND TIME ENERGY TO, IT FEELS LIKE DERAIL THINGS AND WORK . 
          I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE, . 
          UM, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I DON'T KNOW NOT ABOUT YOU. 
          I DON'T KNOW OF A SINGLE RAIL CROSSING IN HURO THAT ISN'T A PROBLEM. 
          , THAT COULDN'T BE A LOT BETTER IF IT WERE WIDENED. 
          SO WHY DO WE HAVE TO WIDEN THIS ONE? I GUESS IT'S JUST MY THINKING. 
          YEAH, YOU SO I I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, SORRY, YOU COULD SAY THAT UPR HAS CLOSED DOWN THE CHRIS KELLY CROSSING MULTIPLE TIMES. 
          . 
          UM, YES. 
          WELL AND I WOULD SAY YOU THAT SOME OF 'EM YOU CAN'T REALLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN WIDEN CHRIS KELLY. 
          THERE'S NOT THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          WELL, NO, THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. 
          BUT I'M JUST SAYING THEY'VE STOPPED THEIR TRAIN. 
          SURE. 
          THEY'VE THEIR TRAIN STOP ACROSS THAT INTERSECTION AND JIM CAGE THREE TIMES. 
          JIM, IT'S BROKEN DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          THREE TIMES IN THE LAST ONE. 
          JIM CAGE DOESN'T HAVE A SOUTHBOUND FLOW. 
          IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A NORTHBOUND FLOW UP THE OTHER THAN UP TO 
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1660. 
          SO YOU'RE REALLY NOT HELPING THE SOUTH. 
          I THINK THE PROBLEM WITH THE CITY IS YOU ONLY HAVE TWO MAIN WAYS TO GO FROM SOUTH OF THE CITY TO NORTH. 
          AND THAT'S CHRIS KELLY IN 1660. 
          IF YOU THINK CHRIS KELLY'S BAD NOW, WAIT TILL HE GETS HIS PROJECT KICKED OFF IN A, IN A 16 EARLY PRIOR OF THE YEAR WITH 1660 FOR THE NEXT 18 MONTHS. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A NIGHTMARE. 
          IT'S ALREADY A NIGHTMARE. 
          I DID, I DID SOME POLL WORK ON IT. 
          YOU THOUGHT THAT WAS A NIGHTMARE. 
          YOU WAIT TILL WE CLOSE OUT INTERSECTION NOW I WENT TO, UH, I WAS UH, UP AT 6:00 AM DRIVING TO THE POLL SITE 'CAUSE I WORKED UH, THAT CENTER ON ELECTION DAY AND THE TRAFFIC WAS BACK BACK. 
          THERE'S NO ARGUMENT NOW IT'S JUST GONNA BE 10 X. 
          YES, EXACTLY. 
          10 X. 
          IT'S REALLY UGLY NOW. 
          I CAN ONLY IMAGINE. 
          WELL, I MEAN, SO BACK TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS, UM, WHAT, UH, POOR BOARD MEMBER SNYDER ARE YOU LOOKING FOR HERE? JUST DISCUSSION. 
          A TRAFFIC ENGINEER. 
          WELL, UM, SOMEONE'S GOTTA START THE DESIGN PROCESS. 
          SOMEONE HAS TO ENGAGE AN ENGINEER. 
          AND RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, THE CITY'S NOT DOING, I MEAN THE CITY ISN'T DOING IT. 
          YOU'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS, BUT AT SOME POINT SOMEONE'S GONNA HAVE TO ACTUALLY PAY SOMEONE TO DO THEIR WORK, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT IS WHEN THE CITY GETS TO A POINT WHERE, OKAY, I THINK WE'VE GOT CONCEPTUALLY SOME DEAL THAT'S GONNA HAVE SIGNALS. 
          AND I THINK WE NEED TO DECIDE WHETHER IT BE CITY, EDC, WE WANT IT TO BE PERMANENT VERSUS TEMPORARY. 
          TEMPORARY BEING THREE YEARS PERMANENT BEING THREE YEARS. 
          AND YOU DID THE PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN,  FOR ANOTHER THREE YEARS, THAT IF WE GO PERMANENT AND WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS, WELL THEN NOW SOMEONE'S GOTTA HIRE AN ENGINEER. 
          AND I'D LIKE US TO CONSIDER HIRING THAT ENGINEER TO WHERE WHEN, WHEN THE CITY STAFF IS READY AND IS GOT A PLAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE. 
          THEY CAN BRING IT BACK TO US. 
          WE CAN SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, OUT TO BID AND WE WILL, WE'LL GO AND GET THAT DONE AND START GOING. 
          OTHERWISE, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN KICKING IT. 
          SO I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, I DON'T KNOW, SIX YEARS. 
          SIX YEARS AGO IT WAS GONNA BE A BRIDGE AND THEN IT WAS LIKE 60 MILLION OR 40 MILLION AND THEN THE DESIGN CAME BACK. 
          IT WAS LIKE 80. 
          WE'RE LIKE, OH MY GOD. 
          IT WENT BACK AND FORTH. 
          AND IT WASN'T UNTIL LAST YEAR WE JUST SAID WE CAN'T DO AN $80 MILLION BRIDGE. 
          BUT NOW WE'VE BEEN KIND OF STUCK ON WHAT'S THE NEXT THING TO DO. 
          BUT YOU'RE GETTING, YOU'RE GETTING PEOPLE TO GIVE YOU QUOTES, AREN'T YOU? UH, SO YOU CAN'T, YOUR ROTATION LIST. 
          OH, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YOU, YOU CAN'T GO TO MULTIPLE ENGINEERS AND GET QUOTES. 
          WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS FOR THE NEXT ENGINEER ON OUR ROTATION LIST TO GIVE US A SCOPE AND FEE. 
          THAT WAY I CAN GO BACK TO FINANCE. 
          WE'VE GOT A BALLPARK BASED ON WHAT WE TALKED TO THE COUNTY ABOUT. 
          BUT THEN I CAN GO BACK TO FINANCE AND SAY, OKAY, IT'S GONNA COST, I DON'T KNOW, $400,000. 
          WHERE DO WE HAVE THE MONEY? WHERE CAN I PULL THIS MONEY FROM? AND SO TALKING TO FINANCE DIRECTOR TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE CAN PULL FUNDS FROM. 
          IS THERE SOME OTHER CIP BUCKET THAT WE CAN, AND THEN GO, THEN THE THOUGHT WAS WE WOULD BRING IT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, WE NEED TO MODIFY THE PROJECT LIST DOING A BUDGET AMENDMENT SO THAT WE CAN ADD THIS ONE IN AND GO GET THE SIGNAL DESIGN AND BUILD. 
          SO IS THAT, SORRY, IS THAT SCOPE AND FEE JUST FOR THE TEMPORARY? UH, AT THIS POINT, THAT'S WHAT THE CONVERSATION HAS BEEN, YES. 
          YEAH. 
          PERHAPS WE NEED TO PUT SOMETHING ON COUNSEL TO AUTHORIZE SCOPE AND FEE FOR PERMANENT. 
          'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DISCUSSION HERE, FURTHER VETTING IS . 
          MAYBE THAT'S A BETTER DIRECTION DEPENDING ON, BUT COULD IT BE FOR BOTH OR YOU HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC FOR THE PERMANENT? WELL, I MEAN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE SCOPING IT WITH THEM, YOU'RE GONNA WANNA BE SPECIFIC. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU'RE PUTTING UP A TEMPORARY SIGNAL, YOU'RE GONNA PUT UP WALL WOOD POLES AND CABLES. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF YOU'RE PUTTING UP A PERMANENT SIGNAL, YOU'RE PUTTING UP STEEL POLES AND MASS ARMS, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN DESIGN AND COST. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE ENGAGING WHAT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, IS THAT WHAT YOU WOULD CALL THAT? YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED ACTION TONIGHT. 
          TRAFFIC. 
          IT'S MORE JUST A CONVERSATION FOR WHEN THEY'RE READY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS AN OBJECTION TO IT, THAT HE CAN LEAVE HERE TONIGHT GOING, OKAY. 
          AS SOON AS I FIGURE OUT THE PLAN, I'LL COME BACK TO THE EDC TO FUND IT. 
          'CAUSE IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S OUR LAND THAT IT'S FOR, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE PICKING UP THE TAB. 
          SO, MATT, FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE THOUGH, CAN YOU, IN YOUR MIND KNOW WHAT A BALLPARK FIGURE MIGHT LOOK LIKE SO THAT YOU MIGHT INITIATE SOME INITIAL DISCUSSIONS WITH FINANCE ALREADY? WELL, I'VE ALREADY STARTED FROM THE BALLPARKS THAT WE GOT FROM THE COUNTY. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          AND SO I'VE, I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AND TOLD HER, BASED ON WHAT THE COUNTY'S TELLING ME, 200 TO $250,000 IS WHAT WE NEED. 
          BUT THAT'S FOR THE TEMP. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S FOR A TEMP WITHOUT 
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RAILROAD WITH, BUT THAT'S WITHOUT THE RAILROAD PIECE BECAUSE THE COUNTY HASN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH THE RAILROAD. 
          THEY WENT OVER, THEY DID THE AERIAL. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY I SAID, LET'S PUT THAT IN, START TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE I CAN PULL THE MONEY FROM. 
          LET ME GO TALK TO AN ENGINEERING FIRM AND GET A SCOPE AND FEE SO THAT I'VE GOT A BETTER PRICE TAG FOR YOU. 
          AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK AND, AND REVISIT THE CONVERSATION. 
          AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION, WE GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, WHERE DO YOU WANNA GET THIS MONEY FROM? WE NEED TO DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT. 
          LET'S GO DO THE PROJECT. 
          YOU, YOU'RE SAYING THE TWO 50 IS THE, FOR THE SCOPE AND FEE OR THE ACTUAL FINAL PROJECT? I'M SORRY? IS THE TWO 50 JUST FOR, TO GET THE ENGINEERING, UH, CON CONSULT OR IS IT FOR THE FINAL PROJECT? THE TWO 50 IS WHAT THE COUNTY TOLD ME WAS A BALLPARK TO GET THEIR, UH, TEMPORARY SIGNALS DONE. 
          THE FINAL PROJECT, NO RAILROAD. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THE BALLPARK THAT I'VE GIVEN FINANCE ON HOW MUCH I THINK IT WOULD COST. 
          BUT I'VE TOLD THEM IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE YOU GOT THE RAILROAD PIECE ON OURS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE WITH THE COUNTY. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT NUMBER YET. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          SO DO WE HAVE TO, UM, PROVIDE AUTHOR OR GIVE AUTHORIZATION FOR HIM TO ENGAGE SOMEONE? OR IS IT, WE'RE JUST SAYING GO AHEAD AND, WELL, HE'S NOT GONNA GAUGE WHAT, WHAT I THINK IS GONNA HAPPEN IS MATT'S GONNA WORK ON THE CITY SIDE TO FIGURE OUT THE PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN HE IS GONNA BRING THAT PLAN BACK TO US FOR US TO DECIDE IF WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THE WORK. 
          AND IF WE SAY NO, THEN THE CITY WILL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION IF THEY WANNA PICK IT UP. 
          YEAH. 
          I CAN'T ENGAGE A FIRM YET BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN AUTHORIZED NOR FUNDED FOR THAT PROJECT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THERE'S NO ACTION FOR THIS ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NO ACTION WILL BE TAKEN, BUT WE WILL DISCUSS AGAIN IN THE FUTURE. 
          THAT WAS THE DETAIL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          NO ACTIONS ON ITEM SIX SIX. 
          UM, MOVING ON TO ITEM SIX SEVEN, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING THREE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES PERTAINING TO THE CITY OF HU'S HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE DOWNTOWN HU BUSINESS ASSOCIATION IDENTIFIED THREE ORDINANCES RELATED TO DOWNTOWN THAT THEY'VE REQUESTED THE CITY'S SUPPORT. 
          THE ORDINANCES WERE LAST UPDATED IN 2016, AND SINCE THESE ARE EXISTING CITY ORDINANCES, THEY'VE BEEN SENT TO CITY LEGAL FOR REVIEW. 
          HOWEVER, SINCE THEY ARE, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RELATED, WE WANTED TO GET THE BOARD'S FEEDBACK IF THERE WERE ANY ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS OUTSIDE OF WHAT STAFF HAS PROPOSED, UH, REGARDING THOSE THREE ORDINANCES. 
          UH, SPECIFICALLY THE FACADE GRANT ORDINANCE. 
          UM, BECAUSE THE EDC HAS A LINE ITEM IN THEIR CURRENT FY 26 APPROVED BUDGET FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR A FACADE GRANT IMPROVEMENT OR FACADE IMPROVEMENT GRANT, UM, THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR, THIS BOARD, YOU KNOW, HAS, HAS MORE AUTHORITY THAN THE OTHERS TO WEIGH IN ON AND AS TO HOW THEY'RE IMPLEMENTED. 
          UM, BUT I DO WANNA POINT OUT A FEW THINGS FROM OUR FINDINGS. 
          UM, THROUGHOUT ALL THREE ORDINANCES, THE THE FORMS AND PROCESSES WERE VAGUE AND OR MISSING. 
          UM, THE REVIEW COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND, AND ONE OF THE ORDINANCES ARE FOR POSITIONS THAT DON'T EXIST AT THE CITY ANYMORE. 
          SO THAT WOULD NEED TO BE UPDATED AND WE WOULD WANNA IMPLEMENT A SIMILAR REVIEW PROCESS, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT STAFF HAD PROPOSED FOR THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX FUND POLICY. 
          UM, THE FACADE GRANT ALSO INCLUDES BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. 
          I WOULD DEFER TO, TO EDC LEGAL ON THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THE EDC IS ABLE TO FUND FACADE GRANT IMPROVEMENTS FOR RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, SO I WOULD JUST CLARIFY. 
          SO WE WOULD WANNA CLARIFY THAT IF IT IS GONNA BE FUNDED BY THE EDC, THEN WE WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE IT ALIGNS WITH THOSE PARAMETERS. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I THINK WHAT THE, UM, THE ADOPTION OF THE LAST DECENNIAL CENSUS, WHICH DEMONSTRATED THAT THE CITY OF HUDU EXCEEDED 20,000 PEOPLE, THE STATUTORY LIMITATIONS ON THIS BOARD CHANGED MM-HMM . 
          AND SO, UH, BECAUSE THESE, UH, I, I SAW A COUPLE OF 'EM THAT WERE LIKE APPROVED BACK IN LIKE 16 MM-HMM . 
          BEFORE THE 2020 CHANGE. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT THESE ARE ALL GONNA BE PREEMPTED BY FEDERAL, BY STATE LAW AT THIS POINT, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, RECONSIDERED UNDER THE STATE LAW BEFORE THEY WOULD HAVE ANY EFFECT ON, ON THE, UH, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION'S OBLIGATIONS TO POTENTIALLY FUND ANY OF THEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          I'M NOT TALKING NECESSARILY ABOUT OBLIGATION, BUT THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN FOR THE FACADE GRANT UNDER THE CITY REFERS TO BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. 
          BUT IF THE EDC WERE TO FUND THAT PROGRAM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WOULD JUST BE FOR THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. 
          SO WE WOULD WANT TO AMEND THAT ORDINANCE UNDER THE CITY UNLESS THE 
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CITY WOULD WANT TO FUND THAT COMPONENT. 
          IF IT MAKES IT EASIER. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY INTEREST PERSONALLY, AND I DON'T SEE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT REASON TO FUND FACADE GRANTS FOR RESIDENTIAL PERIOD. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE, THE WHOLE POINT WOULD BE THAT, THAT BEFORE THESE ORDINANCES WOULD HAVE ANY EFFECT, LEGAL EFFECT, THEY'D HAVE TO MEET THE STATE STATUTES. 
          AND THE STATE STATUTE, FOR INSTANCE, SAYS THAT NOW THAT YOU ARE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION UNDER, UH, OVER 20,000, THE SMALL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION RULES THAT ALLOW THIS BOARD AND ITS INFINITE WISDOM TO DETERMINE ANY PROJECT AS HAVING A, A POSITIVE EFFECT ON THE ECONOMY, UH, IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO MEET SOME OF THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR THESE PROJECTS. 
          AND SO IN THE PAST, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN YOU'VE DONE A PROJECT THAT REALLY WASN'T IDENTIFIED, YOU'VE ONLY BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT USING YOUR MARKETING OR ADVERTISING FUNDS BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WOULD PROMOTE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THESE ARE. 
          AND SO, UM, THERE IS AN ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION THAT DOES PROVIDE THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE ECONOMIC INCENTIVES FOR RESIDENTIAL, UM, UH, UH, AREAS OR COMMUNITIES ONLY WITH A FINDING OF THIS BOARD THAT THERE IS A CONNECTION BECAUSE OF LACK OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, UM, TO THAT YOU NEED TO PROMOTE THESE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN ORDER TO HAVE HOUSING FOR PRIMARY JOB EMPLOYEES WHO ARE COMING TO THE, TO THE AREA. 
          UM, AND SO ALL OF THAT DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW. 
          SO, SO WE WOULD REALLY NEED TO, UM, REEXAMINE THESE ORDINANCES, UH, AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY EVEN HAVE ANY APPLICATION TOWARDS THE BOARD ANYMORE. 
          UH, SINCE THE 2020 ELE, UH, UH, DECAL CENSUS REMOVED THOSE AUTHORITIES FROM YOU. 
          SO THAT COULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY. 
          LIKE I SAID, THESE ARE CITY ORDINANCES, SO ANY DECISION BY THIS BOARD WOULD REALLY JUST BE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AS FAR AS UPDATING THE ORDINANCES TO ALIGN WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES OR PRIORITIES. 
          SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO ONLY DO THE COMMERCIAL FOR THE FACADE GRANT. 
          WE NEED TO RUN THAT THROUGH EDC LEGAL SINCE THE FUNDING WOULD LIKELY COME FROM THE CORPORATION. 
          SINCE WE HAVE THE LINE ITEM. 
          ALL OF THE DETAILS REGARDING QUALIFIED EXPENSES, TIMELINES, MAXIMUM REIMBURSEMENT AMOUNTS ARE VAGUE OR OUTDATED OR MISSING. 
          UM, THE TITLES OF THE ORDINANCES ARE MISLEADING OR INACCURATE. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT WE FOUND KIND OF GENERAL THAT NEED TO BE CLEANED UP AND FILLED IN. 
          UM, SO THE ORDINANCES WERE PROVIDED, SO IF Y'ALL HAVE ADDITIONAL FINDINGS THAT YOU'D LIKE STAFF TO, UH, DIG INTO AND, AND INCORPORATE INTO THE AMENDED ORDINANCES, PLEASE SHARE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I ASSUME NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN ON ITEM SIX SEVEN FOR NOW. 
          SEE, MOVING ON TO, UM, ITEM SIX EIGHT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON RESOLUTION R DASH HEDC DASH 2025 DASH 49 TO APPROVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT TO HOW TO CITY COUNCIL, RECOMMENDING A POLICY CHANGE TO EXPEDITE THE PERMITTING PROCESS FOR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PROJECTS, EXCLUDING MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND ADHERING TO THE STATE STANDARD REVIEW TIMES FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING BOTH SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS. 
          AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIR TO SIGN THE LETTER. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          OOH. 
          OOH. 
          WAS A TIE ON SECOND. 
          WHO WANTS IT? MORRIS. 
          MORRIS CAN HAVE IT. 
          HE'S ON A ROLL. 
          OH,  THORNTON IT THORNTON. 
          OH, YES. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          AS PRESENTED BY BOARD MEMBER SCHNEIDER. 
          SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER MORRIS THORNTON. 
          THORNTON THORNTON. 
          OH, THORNTON. 
          SORRY. 
          SORRY. 
          SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER THORNTON . 
          YOU'RE SCOOT. 
          WAIT. 
          YOU'RE SCOOTING BACK LIKE MORRIS DOES. 
          I COULDN'T  LETTING PEOPLE THAT'S INSIDE JOKE WHEN HE TALKS, HE STARTS DOING THIS. 
          WHOA. 
          ALL OF A SUDDEN HE'S BACK HERE TALKING ROW A BOAT. 
          MAKE FUN. 
          I DON'T WANNA BE RECORDED. 
          ANY DISCUSSION FOR THE MOTION. 
          I'LL JUST SAY SUPPORT THIS. 
          WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AND ALL HIS DEPARTMENT HEADS TO, UM, WITH A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR UDC, AN EFFORT TO STREAMLINE A LOT OF OUR PROCESSES AND TO REALLY FIND THE, WHAT YOU CALL 'EM, THE DEVELOPMENT PINCH POINTS THAT'S CAUSING THE IDEAS TO CREATE LESS WORK FOR STAFF, BUT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE ARE ONLY, UM, 
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WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORRYING ABOUT THE THINGS WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT INSTEAD OF WORRYING ABOUT. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF IMMATERIAL THINGS WE DEBATE ON, LIKE WHAT KIND OF TREE YOU'RE GONNA PLANT IN YOUR FRONT YARD. 
          UM, SO ANYTHING TO HELP GET THIS STUFF GOING, I THINK IS GOOD FOR US. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. 
          VICE CHAIR MORALES AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER MORRIS AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER SNYDER. 
          AYE. 
          SECRETARY GONZALEZ. 
          AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER THORNTON AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SIX ZERO. 
          WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED ITEM SIX NINE. 
          MOVING ON TO ITEM SIX 10. 
          UH, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE CORPORATION'S QUARTERLY JOINT MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 2ND, 2025, AND THEIR REGULAR MEETING ON OCTOBER 8TH, 2025. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          SECOND, UM, MOTION PRESENTED BY VICE CHAIR MORALES. 
          SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER PORTERFIELD. 
          ANY DISCUSSION, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. 
          SECRETARY GONZALEZ. 
          AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER MORRIS AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER SNYDER. 
          AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER THORNTON AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER PORTERFIELD. 
          AYE. 
          VICE CHAIR MORALES. 
          SORRY, I'M LOSING MY CHECK MARKS. 
          . 
          . 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SIX ZERO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, AND I JUST READ THIS NEXT PART, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          THE BOARD WILL NOW, UH, RECESS THE OPEN MEETING AND RECONVENE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0 7 1 ATTORNEY CONSULTATION 5 5 1 0 8 7 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND 5 5 1 0 7 2 REAL PROPERTY TO DELIBERATE AND SEEK LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING THE FOLLOWING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. 
          PROJECT SEQUEL PRO PROJECT STRAT. 
          THREE, THE MEGASITE PROJECT, PROJECT ORCHARD PROJECT CORE PROJECT LAKE PROJECT NQ TWO PROJECT FOOTBALL PROJECT, AIR PROJECT, SPROUTS PROJECT 2007 PROJECT AMP, PROJECT, HWB, PATIO AND PROJECT SOLAR POTENTIAL REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS, THE PERIPHERAL INVESTMENTS BONDS, THE LOAN FOR THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTIES, THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTIES, AND ANY RELATED INCENTIVES IN THE EVALUATION OF AVAILABLE CORPORATE FUNDS FOR INCENTIVES. 
          THE TIME IS 8 39. 
          WE , UH, WE HAVE RETURNED FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION AND NO ACTION WAS TAKEN. 
          WHICH CONCLUDES THE NO. 
          ARE THERE ANY ITEMS? ARE THERE ANY ITEMS? THE RECALL FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION? OKAY. 
          ARE THERE ANY ITEMS TO RECALL FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION? WE HAVE EIGHT. 
          1, 2, 3. 
          AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE ITEMS AFTER OKAY. 
          THAT ARE ACTUALLY ON THE AGENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE NOT DOING THOSE TWO. 
          WE'RE DOING THE TWO WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          NOT THE TWO ON THE AGENDA. 
          THE TWO THAT CHINEY LISTED. 
          WELL, ACTUALLY, YOU, YOU WOULD DO 8.1 AND THEN 8.2, AND THEN 8.3 WOULD BE ANYTHING FROM EXEC. 
          YEP. 
          SO IF 8.1 AND 8.2, THERE'S NO ACTION, MANY PEOPLE CAN, YOU CAN SKIP THOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVING TO  ACTION RELATED TO, UM, EXECUTIVE SESSION 8.1, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION AND RESOLUTION R-H-E-D-C DASH 2025 DASH 1 48 TO APPROVE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR LAND PLANNING SERVICES FOR THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTIES. 
          ANY ACTIONS ON THIS ITEM? THERE'S NO ACTION ON THIS. 
          NO ACTION ON THIS ITEM. 
          UM, MOVING ON TO, UH, 8.2, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION AND RESOLUTION R DASH HEDC DASH 2025 DASH 1 47 TO APPROVE A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR LAND PLANNING SERVICES FOR THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTIES. 
          ANY ACTION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND 8.3 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ABOVE TO THE CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A CONTRACT BASED ON THE TERMS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, FOR FIDELIS. 
          I SAY THAT RIGHT? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER SCHNEIDER. 
          SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER PORTERFIELD. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. 
          UH, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE BOARD MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER MORRIS AYE. 
          VICE CHAIR MORALES AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER SNYDER. 
          AYE. 
          SECRETARY GONZALEZ. 
          AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER THORNTON AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SIX ZERO. 
          AND THEN CHAIR, 
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I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DIRECT STAFF, UH, TO, I GUESS MAKE AN OFFER TO THE HU INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, FOR LAND THAT WE OWN WITH THE FOLLOWING TERMS. UM, IT'D BE A DOLLAR A YEAR LEASE. 
          UM, AND THEN WITHIN THREE YEARS WE PURCHASE THEIR LAND AND THEY PURCHASE OUR LAND AT THE CURRENT APPRAISED VALUE AT THAT TIME. 
          I DUNNO IF THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO SAY THAT, BUT, AND THAT I GOT THE, WHAT HAS THAT GOT THE MESSAGE ACROSS? I THINK SO. 
          YEAH. 
          FOR THE RELOCATION OF THE, YEAH, FOR THE RELOCATION OF THE BUS BARN. 
          MOTION. 
          THAT MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER SCHNEIDER. 
          SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER PORTER FIELD. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. 
          PLEASE CALL A VOTE BOARD MEMBER THORNTON AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. 
          VICE CHAIR MORALES AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER? MORRIS AYE. 
          SECRETARY GONZALEZ. 
          AYE. 
          BOARD MEMBER SNYDER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SIX ZERO. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVING ON TO, UM, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. NONE HEARD. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING . 
          SORRY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, WE ARE ADJOURNED FOR THE EVENING. 
          THE TIME IS 1119. 
          OKAY.
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