[Planning and Zoning on December 2, 2025.]
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ALL RIGHT.IT IS SEVEN O'CLOCK, SO WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON TUESDAY, DECEMBER 2ND AT 7:00 PM TO ORDER.
FIRST IS ROLL CALL AND WE HAVE COMMISSIONER RO AYE, MAKING NOTES A LITTLE SLOW.
UM, MYSELF, COMMISSIONER HUDSON, CHAIR, UH, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER HALL HERE, AND WE HAVE COMMISSIONER DELEON HERE.
ALRIGHT, NEXT UP IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, SIR? ALRIGHT, WELL THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ITEM 4.1, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON NOVEMBER 4TH, 2025 AND 4.2 CONSIDERATION AND ACCEPTANCE OF THE 2025 SUBMITTAL CALENDAR IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS HB 36 99.
UM, I DID WANT TO MAKE A BRIEF COMMENT.
THERE WAS A CORRECTION THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED TO STAFF, SO THERE'S A CORRECTION TO THE MINUTES, UM, FOR EVERYONE'S EDIFICATION, THAT WAS ON 5.2.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND PAGE, IT SAYS, MOTION WAS FIVE, FIVE, EYES TO ONE TO ZERO.
NAY, THAT SHOULD BE FIVE AND ONE, UM, STAFF HAS THAT CORRECTION.
SO, ANY, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? HEARING NONE, I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION FOR CONSENT AGENDA.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES WITH THE NOTED, UH, CORRECTION.
THAT'S A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR WETZ AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHERROD.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO AMEND THE CODE.
CODE OF ORDINANCE 20 20 20 EDITION.
CHAPTER FOUR, SITE DESIGN STANDARDS OF THE CITY OF HURO BY AMENDING SECTION 10 POINT TEMPORARY RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION.
UH, MANNY HERNANDEZ, PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF IDAHO.
FOR THE RECORD, UM, THIS ITEM IS FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDING TEMPORARY SIGN REGULATIONS FOR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS, STAFF HAS HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS ABOUT TEMPORARY SIGNAGE WITH MANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE LACK OF TEMPORARY SIGN OPTIONS FOR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS DURING VARIOUS GATHERINGS AND SERVICES DURING THE WEEK.
WITH THE CURRENT TIMELINE FOR THE ABDO ADOPTION OF THE UDC REWRITE, BEING UNKNOWN STAFF IS IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING INTO AMENDING THE CURRENT CODE.
STAFF HAS INCORPORATED THE FEEDBACK FROM LAST MONTH'S MEETING INTO THE AMENDMENT, AND YOU GUYS HAVE A COPY OF WHAT THE CODE WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE PACKET.
UM, BUT THIS IS JUST LISTING OUT WHAT THAT NEW CODE SECTION WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND SO WE HAVE, UH, NINE POINTS HERE.
UM, AND WE CAN GO LIKE LAST TIME, I'LL READ THEM OUT AND THEN, UM, WE CAN WORK THROUGH ANY FEEDBACK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE.
SO THE FIRST POINT IS, BEFORE ERECTING ANY TEMPORARY SIGN, THE USER MUST APPLY FOR AN APPLICATION AND RECEIVE APPROVAL FROM THE CITY.
THIS APPLICATION CAN BE RENEWED ANNUALLY.
THE APPLICATION MUST INCLUDE A COPY OF AN AGREEMENT AUTHORIZING TEMPORARY USE OF A SCHOOL OR 5 0 1 C NONPROFIT FACILITY LOCATED WITHIN CITY LIMITS OF HURO OR THE ETJ.
IF THE RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION IS THE OWNER, THE AGREEMENT WILL NOT BE REQUIRED.
THE AGREEMENT MUST IDENTIFY THE ADDRESS, THE USER'S WEEKLY MEETINGS OR RELIGIOUS EVENT DAYS, START TIME AND END TIME, UM, AS WELL AS THE TYPE AND AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE NOT TO EXCEED A TOTAL OF SIX SIGNS.
THE APPLICANT SHALL NOTIFY THE CITY WITHIN FIVE BUSINESS DAYS OF ANY CHANGES TO THE APPLICATION.
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ANY TEMPORARY SIGNAGE AUTHORIZED BY THE APPLICATION MAY BE PLACED ONLY ON THE PROPERTY IDENTIFIED IN THE AGREEMENT.SIGNAGE MUST BE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY AND KEPT OUT OF ANY RIGHT OF WAYS, PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT, SITE TRIANGLES, UTILITY POLES, TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, TREES, OR ANY LOCATION THAT OBSTRUCTS PEDESTRIAN NAVICULAR OR A DA ACCESS.
TEMPORARY SIGNS MAY BE PLACED NO EARLIER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE SCHEDULED WEEKLY MEETING OR EVENT, AND MUST BE REMOVED NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS AFTER THE MEETING OR EVENT CONCLUDES.
SIGNAGE MUST BE SECURELY PLACED AND MAINTAINED IN GOOD CONDITION AND KEPT FREE OF LITTER AND DEBRIS.
SIGNAGE WILL BE ADMINISTERED AND ENFORCE WITHOUT REGARD TO THE SIGNS, MESSAGE, VIEWPOINT OR SPEAKER IDENTITY AND FEATHER FLAGS ARE PERMISSIBLE UNDER THIS SECTION.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:07 PM IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:07 PM AND OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION FROM THE DIOCESE.
NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL NOTIFY THE CITY WITHIN FIVE BUSINESS DAYS OF ANY CHANGES TO THE APPLICATION.
I WOULD LIKE THAT TO SAY THE APPLICANT SHALL NOTIFY THE CITY WITHIN FIVE BUSINESS DAYS PRIOR TO ANY CHANGES TO THE APPLICATION.
THAT WAY WE DON'T GET NOTIFIED AFTER THE FACT.
BUT THAT IS THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE ON THAT.
ANYONE ELSE? I I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON NUMBER FIVE.
UM, WILL THE APPLICANT, WILL THEY KNOW, UM, HOW FAR OFF THE CURB THE EASEMENT IS? WILL, WILL THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT TELLS 'EM THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR SIGN 10 FOOT AWAY FROM THE CURB? I MEAN, I, I CAN SEE A POTENTIAL PEOPLE GOING, WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE, THE EASEMENT WAS FIVE FOOT, YOU KNOW, OR I, I'M JUST SAYING, IS THERE A WAY THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ALL THE EASEMENTS ARE THE SAME THROUGHOUT THE CITY OR NOT, BUT IF THEY ARE, COULD YOU NOT GO IN AND PUT IN THAT THEY MUST BE WHATEVER THAT EASEMENT IS, 10 FOOT OFF OF THE CURB LINE OR WHATEVER, JUST JUST TO SAY SOME CONFUSION? YEAH.
IS THAT PART OF THE APPLICATION? OKAY.
HERE'S WHERE YOUR, HERE'S WHERE YOUR SIGN LIMITS ARE.
ARE THEY TURNING IN AN APP, LIKE WITH THE APPLICATION, A COPY OF A SURVEY THAT SHOWS WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING THE SIGNS? OR DO THEY JUST GET THE ABILITY TO PUT IT WHEREVER THEY WANT ON THE PROPERTY? I THINK THAT TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HANDLED IN THE APPLICATION, BUT I HAVE NOT, UM, SEEN THAT APPLICATION SAY, 'CAUSE WHEN YOU DO A NORMAL SIGN, YOU'RE SHOWING EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GONNA GO.
WHAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING? AND I BELIEVE WE DID DISCUSS THAT AT THE LAST MEETING.
THEY, THEY SUBMITTED A, A PLAN OR A DRAWING SHOWING WHERE ON THE SITES THEY'RE GOING TO LOCATE THOSE SIGNS SO THAT STAFF CAN APPROVE IF THAT SITE IS APPROPRIATE.
AND, AND I THINK, UH, WITH THE STAFF REVIEW, IF THE SIGN IS TOO CLOSE TO THE CURB OR IT'S IN THE EASEMENT RIGHT OF WAY, WHATEVER, THEN I THINK STAFF SHOULD HAVE THE, THE AUTHORITY I'LL SAY TO, YOU KNOW, RED ARROW, NOPE, IT NEEDS TO GO HERE.
AND THAT WAY THEY KNOW WHEN THEY GET THEIR APPLICATION BACK, OH, OKAY.
WE CAN'T PUT THE SIGN HERE, WE CAN PUT IT HERE.
THAT WAS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION LAST TIME.
CAN INCLUDE A SITE PLAN WITH THE APPLICATION PROCESS YOU WANNA, OR DID YOU GUYS, WE, WE WILL MAKE SURE TO HAVE A SITE PLAN AS PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT NO SIGNS ARE, UH, IN THE EASEMENT.
YEAH, THAT, THAT, I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
IT'S JUST, I JUST DON'T WANT THEM TO END UP GETTING FRUSTRATED.
YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAKE THIS EASIER ON THEM.
WELL, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NOW THIS ONLY APPLIES TO, TO, UH, ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE USING LIKE THE SCHOOLS FOR FOR THIS? FOR THE AGREEMENTS? YES.
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YEAH.OR, OR A 5 0 1 C UH, NONPROFIT FACILITY.
WELL, I MEAN, AT, AT THE LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT REALTOR SIGN OPEN HOUSE SIGNS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, SO YEAH.
AND THOSE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE, OKAY.
'CAUSE IT, IN HERE IT SAYS TEMPORARY RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION SCIENTIST PLAY.
WELL, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 5.1.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 5.1 WITH THE AMENDMENTS ON NUMBER ONE, SHOW A PLAN.
SHOW, UH, WITH THE APPLICATION SHOWING LOCATIONS PROPOSED FOR SET SIGNS TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF.
NUMBER FOUR, TO SUBMIT CORRECTION, HOLD ON.
THE APPLICANT SHALL NOTIFY THE CITY WITHIN FIVE BUSINESS DAYS PRIOR TO ANY CHANGES OF THE APPLICATION.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SCHAD AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HALL.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
NEXT IS ITEM 5.2 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED VILLAGES AT BROOKLYN'S.
FINAL PLAT, 10 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND, TWO COMMERCIAL LOTS AND TWO MULTI-FAMILY LOTS LOCATED ON COUNTY ROAD.
UH, THIS TRACK IS APPROXIMATELY 10 ACRES ON THE EAST SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD, 1 37 NORTH OF BROOKLYN'S BOULEVARD.
UH, THE PLAT PROPOSES FOUR TOTAL LOTS, TWO COMMERCIAL AND TWO MULTIFAMILY.
UM, ALL OF THESE USES ARE ALLOWED WITHIN, UH, THE T FIVE URBAN CORE ZONE.
SO THE BROOKLYNS IS CONSIDERED A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT AS DEFINED IN SECTION 1.32 OF THE SMART CODE.
IT IS A COMPACT, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
THE BROOKLYN'S REGULATING PLAN REPLACED THE, UM, REGULATING PLAN KNOWN AS SHILOH AT JAKES BRIDGE, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL ON APRIL 15TH, 2010.
UM, SHILOH AT JAKES BRIDGE WAS ALSO DESIGNATED THE SUBJECT TRACTED AS T FIVE URBAN CORE.
UM, THE SMART CODE DESCRIBES THE T FIVE ZONE AS A DISTRICT SHOPS MIXED WITH TOWNHOUSES, LARGER APARTMENT, HOUSES, OFFICES, WORKPLACE, AND CIVIC BUILDINGS.
UH, PREDOMINANTLY ATTACHED BUILDINGS, TREES WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND SUB SUBSTANTIAL PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY.
THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY THE FOLLOWING LAND USES TO THE NORTH.
YOU HAVE FARLEY MIDDLE SCHOOL TO THE EAST.
YOU HAVE, UH, RESIDENTIAL BUILT OUT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS, UH, ZONE SMART CODE TO THE SOUTH.
YOU HAVE, UH, VACANT AND, UH, SOME BUILT OUT RESIDENTIAL, UH, ZONE SMART CODE.
AND TO THE WEST, UH, ACROSS 1660, YOU HAVE THE NARROWS, UH, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.
AND, UH, ONCE AGAIN, THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY AND ZONE SMART CODE.
UM, HERE IS A COPY OF THAT, UH, PLA.
AND, UH, THIS PLAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO, UM, THE SHOCK CLOCK BILL AS THE APPLICANT WAIVED THAT.
AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS PLAT WITH THE CONDITION THAT ALL FEES ARE PAID FOR PRIOR TO THE PLAT RECORDING, AND THE SIGNATURE BLOCK IS UPDATED TO REFLECT CURRENT STAFF.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION ON 5.2? UH, I JUST HAVE ONE AND YEP.
YOU'VE GOT THE, THE RIGHT ONE UP.
UH, THE, THE FAR EASTERN PUBLIC UTILITY
YOU'VE GOT A STUB, UH, KIND OF ALONG THE NORTHERN EDGE THERE.
DO YOU GUYS SEE THAT? IT LOOKS LIKE A ROAD STUB.
IS THERE A REASON FOR A STUB? HI.
JAMES MCCANN, CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.
I CAN SPEAK TO THAT IF YOU LIKE.
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WE DON'T HAVE A PODIUM UP HERE TONIGHT, BUT, UH, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU CAN PROJECT A LITTLE SO I CAN, UM, THAT STU IT IS A STUB ROAD AND WHAT IT DOES IS WE'RE CONNECTING INTO A WASTEWATER LINE THAT THAT'S RIGHT THERE AT END OF BEN CREEK DRIVE.AND WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING ACCESS FOR FIRE.
AND SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE A FIRE ROAD IN THERE.
AND TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF, I THINK WE NEED THREE CONNECTION POINTS ACQUIRED BY SUBDIVISION CODE.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE OPENING IT, UM, AS A FULL ROAD, BUT WE WANT TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE WE GO.
PUT A BUNCH OF TRAFFIC DO THERE, BUT THEN WE'RE ALSO GONNA USE IT BECAUSE WE'RE DOING PEDESTRIAN DEVELOPMENT.
WE DON'T WANT TO PUT IN A FIRE ACCESS, LOOKS LIKE NASTY FIRE CREW.
WE WANT MORE TO BE A THROUGH AWAY FROM PEOPLE COMING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OUR INTENT, ATTENDANCE, FIRE ACCESS, OF COURSE PUE WITH UTILITIES TO CONNECTICUT AND, UH, MAYBE A REAL BIG NATIONAL PROBLEM.
I, I FIGURED WITH, WITH THE MIDDLE SCHOOL BEING IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH, THAT'S MIDDLE SCHOOL LAND.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHY THERE'S AUB YES.
HEADED TOWARDS THE MIDDLE SCHOOL.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? DISCUSSION? OKAY, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 5.2.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT, UH, ITEM 5.2 AS WRITTEN, AND I WILL SECOND THAT I, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WORTZ AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HUDSON TO APPROVE 5.2 AS PRESENTED.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? NOPE.
CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE BLUFFS AT BLACKHAWK.
PHASE ONE, FINAL PLAT, 19.208 MORE ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND.
58 RESIDENTIAL LOTS LOCATED SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 1 98 AND EAST OF COUNTY ROAD 1 39.
SO THE, UH, BLUFFS AT BLACKHAWK DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS IN THE ETJ.
UH, THIS AREA IS SUBJECT TO A 2021 CONSENT AGREEMENT CREATING THE LAKESIDE MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT NUMBER NINE.
UM, IN TOTAL, THE MUD IS APPROXIMATELY 456.753 ACRES, BOTH THE ISD BOUNDARY REALIGNMENT BETWEEN HUDU AND PFLUGERVILLE ISDS AND THE E-T-G-E-T-J EXCHANGE DISCUSS IN THE, UH, CONSENT AGREEMENT WERE COMPLETED IN 2022.
THE BLUFFS AT BLACK HAWK PRELIMINARY PLAT IS APPROVED WITH 900 AND, UH, 80 TOTAL LOTS.
THIS FINAL PLAT IS THE FIRST PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF 58 RESIDENTIAL LOTS, ONE LANDSCAPE LOT, UH, ONE LANDSCAPE SLASH DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
IT IS GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 1 98 AND EAST OF COUNTY ROAD 1 39.
THE PROPERTY SURROUNDED BY THE FOLLOWING LAND USES, UH, TO THE NORTH YOU HAVE THE BLUFFS AT BLACK HAWK PHASE THREE TO THE EAST, YOU HAVE PHASE TWO TO THE SOUTH.
YOU HAVE UNDEVELOPED LAND, WHICH IS WITHIN TRAVIS COUNTY TO THE WEST.
YOU HAVE, UH, LAND THAT'S WITHIN THE PFLUGERVILLE, EETJ.
AND IT'S, UM, LIKE SINGLE FAMILY RURAL ESTATE HOUSING.
AND HERE'S A, UH, PICTURE OF THAT PLAT, FINAL PLAT.
AND, UH, THIS, UH, PLAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE SHOCK CLOCK BILL AS THE APPLICANT WAIVED AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS PLA.
SO I WILL OPEN THIS UP TO FOR DISCUSSION.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS ITEM? I DO.
IS THIS THE DEVELOPMENT THAT LAST YEAR, I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR, UM, THEY CAME TO US AND WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT, WHAT IS THAT? UH, THE ROAD? I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME OF IT.
UM, NOT WEISS LANE, BUT, UH, IS IT WEISS LANE? JAKES HILL? NO, THEY WERE GONNA WIDEN IT.
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DID THEY NOT TELL US THAT THEY WOULD WIDEN THAT ROAD BEFORE THEY DID ANY TYPE OF, UH, BUILDING ON, ON OUT THERE? I DON'T RECALL THEM TELLING US THAT, BUT I DO RECALL THAT BEING DISCUSSED.I, I BELIEVE THEY TOLD US THAT THEY WOULD WIDEN THAT ROAD, THAT ROAD WOULD BE WIDENED BEFORE THEY STARTED ANY DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE GETTING READY TO PUT 980 HOMES OUT THERE ON A TWO-LANE ROAD MM-HMM
WHICH IS HORRIBLE NOW AS IT IS.
DO WE KNOW, IS ROW IN THE COUNTY OR IS THAT, UM, PFLUGERVILLE, OR IS IT HU OR COUNTY? UM, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS? I, I, I WOULD NEED TO GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S ALL OF THE ABOVE
IT'S DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU'RE AT.
SOME PARTS IS THE COUNTY, SOME PART IS CITY, SOME PART IS THE OTHER CITY, SOME PART IS THE OTHER COUNTY.
AND SO
I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING, SOMETHING JUST TELLS ME WHEN WE HAD THE DISCUSSION WITH THEM THAT THEY ASSURED US THAT THE ROAD WOULD BE WIDENED BEFORE THERE WAS ANY DEVELOPMENT BEING PUT OUT THERE.
UM, WELL, WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MEETING MINUTES FROM WHEN YOU GUYS HAD THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
IF THAT, IF THAT'S THE CONVERSATION YOU'RE THINKING OF IS THE PRELIMINARY PLA CONVERSATION.
I I MEAN, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
I COULD BE TOTALLY WRONG, BUT I, I STRONGLY REMEMBER A LENGTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING OUT THERE MM-HMM
AND IT WAS A BIT CONCERN THEN.
AND THEY WERE, I LEFT THAT MEETING WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO WIDEN THAT ROAD, THAT ROAD WOULD BE WIDENED BEFORE THEY STARTED ANY DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE.
UM, IF YOU COULD CHECK THAT, THAT'S FINE.
I, I, I KNOW WE CAN'T STOP IT, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW.
WELL, I, I SEEM TO REMEMBER THEM DOING BASED, UH, THEM AG AGREEING TO, OR DISCUSSING ALMOST EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, WHERE THEY WIDEN ROW ONLY TO THE POINT WHERE IT ACCESSES THEIR PROPERTY AND THEN THE REST OF IT.
I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE GONNA WIDEN THE, UH, ROLLING ALL THE WAY PRETTY MUCH THAT WHOLE ROAD FROM WHEN YOU GO UP, WHAT IS IT, 1 37 AND GO TOWARDS ONE 30.
THEY JUST HAVE DONE IT IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS.
AND IF REMEMBER SERVES ME RIGHT, THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE THAT WERE REAL CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, COUNTY ROAD 1 39 AND, AND YES.
WHAT, WHAT WAS GOING, THIS WAS GOING TO AFFECT AND, AND THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WATER AND THEY, RIGHT.
THERE WERE A LOT OF CONCERNS IN THOSE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD.
UM, HAS THAT BEEN ADDRESSED? I MEAN, DO WE KNOW? WELL, IT'S A MUD, SO WE HAVE, WELL, VERY LIMITED THAT'S TRUE.
UM, BUT IT DOES, IT DOES APPEAR THAT THEY'VE GOT 120 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S 120 FOOT OF PAVEMENT, BUT IT DOES APPEAR THAT THEY HAVE 120 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY FOR ROW LANE UP TO, UH, SAN ACACIA TRACE.
SO IT APPEARS AS IF THEY'RE PREPARED TO WIDEN IT IF THEY HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY.
THEY HAVEN'T, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I WAS JUST DOWN THERE TODAY.
UH, WELL THE QUESTION I HAVE IS JUST DOING SOME QUICK MATH.
I SEE THAT THERE ARE 271 RESIDENTIAL LOTS ON ITEMS 5 3, 4 5 AND SIX OUT OF 980.
WHICH LEAD, WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION, HOW MANY PHASES ARE WE LOOKING AT ON THIS PROJECT TO GET TO 980 A LOT? THAT WILL PROBABLY BE, IF WE'RE DOING 80, 84, 49, 58, ARE WE LOOKING AT 10, 12 PHASES? PROBABLY.
I, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER I RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I'M TRYING TO PULL UP THE PRELIMINARY PLAT RIGHT NOW TO,
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TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE OTHER QUESTIONS.MANNY, DO YOU KNOW IF THESE STREETS HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY, UM, 9 1 1 ADDRESSING, UM, THE STREETS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT MM-HMM
ON THAT, SHOWING ON THIS PLANS TO, I DUNNO.
AT THE MERCY OF A LOT OF TRAFFIC BACK THERE.
AND WHILE I KNOW THIS IS GOING OUTSIDE OF THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM, THEY ARE ALL CONNECTED.
I AM CONCERNED THAT APPROVING THIS FIRST ONE THAT HAS THE CONNECTION TO ROW LANE AND TO 1 37 THERE THEN WILL CREATE KIND OF A DOMINO EFFECT AND ALL THE OTHER ONES CAN THEN JUST FLOW THROUGH THIS.
AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT 900 HOUSES HAVING TWO EXIT POINTS.
BECAUSE WE DON'T CONTROL THE REST OF IT.
I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN A PRELIM, UM, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAN TO SEE WHAT THE WHOLE WHOLE PROJECT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE EXS ONTO WELL, LANE FROM THE SUBDIVISION? THE, THE WHOLE THING WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT 900, 900 RESIDENCES IN HERE.
AND SEE ON THE PRELIMINARY PLA UH, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT ITEM WAS, IT WAS OVER A THOUSAND HOMES.
WELL, ACCORDING TO THIS, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, 980.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SAN ACACIA AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SORT OF EXIT ONTO 1 37 JUST LOOKING AT THE PHASE ONE.
BUT THAT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON A 32 FOOT WIDE ROAD.
WELL THEN YOU GOT SCHOOL BUSES GOING THROUGH THERE.
YOU, YOU GOT SCHOOL BUSES BECAUSE THERE'S A SCHOOL IN THERE AND ALL OF THAT.
AND I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT DO THEY PLAN WITH THEIR COMPLETION OF ROW LANE UP TO THIS POINT? YEAH.
AND NOT THE REST THAT WE'RE JUST SETTING THIS ENTIRE COMMUNITY UP FOR A MASSIVE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY ISSUE.
WELL, NOT ONLY THAT, I MEAN, BLACK HAWK ALREADY SITS ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT MM-HMM
AND IT'S, AND THERE'S HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF HOMES THERE.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S A TWO LANE ROAD.
RATHER THAN, RATHER THAN A PROPER ROAD TO HANDLE THIS LEVEL OF TRAFFIC.
AND MY, MY CONCERN, MY CONCERN
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IS IF WE APPROVE THE PHASE ONE, THEN ALMOST BY NECESSITY WE HAVE TO APPROVE WELL, WE'LL THE OTHER ONES.YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO, SO I, I HAVEN'T OBVIOUSLY HAD TIME TO GO BACK AND WATCH THE VIDEO, BUT I'VE PULLED UP THE MEETING MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 5TH, 2023.
THAT'S WHEN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT CAME MM-HMM
UM, AND IT WAS ITEM FIVE TWO ON THAT AGENDA, CONSIDER A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON BLUFFS OF BLACK HAWK PRELIMINARY PLAT, 81.41 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED ON ROW LANE AT MELBOURNE LANE.
PUBLIC HEARING WAS OPENED AT 7 51, CLOSED AT 7 52, REOPENED AT 7 53.
'CAUSE I GUESS A CITIZEN SHOWED UP.
JUST, AND THEN IT SAYS A MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER MORRIS TO ACCEPT THE BLUSH OF BLACK HAWK PRELIMINARY PLAT 81.41 ACRES MORE OR LESS LOCATED ON ROW LANE AT MEL LANE AS PRESENTED, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LEE MOTION PASSED SIX EYES TO ZERO NAYS.
BUT I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE WASN'T A CONVERSATION ABOUT WIDENING THE ROAD, BUT I'M JUST BASED ON WHAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME WITHOUT GOING BACK AND TRYING TO WATCH THE VIDEO, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS APPROVED WITHOUT THAT CONDITION.
AND I, I THINK YOU, YOU MIGHT BE REMEMBERING WHAT I'M REMEMBERING, AND I WANNA SAY THAT WAS IN 21 WHEN WE HAD SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FROM THAT AREA AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT MANVILLE WATER RESTRICTIONS ALREADY EXISTING AND TALKING ABOUT HOW BAD.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS, I, I THINK IT WAS 21 WHEN IT WAS DISCUSSED.
BUT I DO KNOW, I, I DO KNOW WE DISCUSSED THE ROAD.
AND AT THAT TIME, BACK IN 21, I BELIEVE OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE DEVELOPER WAS, GO TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT CONCERNS WE CAN'T ADDRESS 'EM.
AND IF MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY, THEN IT, WE DIDN'T GET A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS.
AND THE PRELIMINARY PLAT LOOKED LIKE IT HAD ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE, UH, HICCUP POINTS, HITCH POINTS KIND OF CHECKED OFF LIKE YEP.
WE TALKED ABOUT ROAD ACCESS, WE TALKED ABOUT ACCESS TO THE SCHOOL, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND ALL OF THOSE BOXES GOT CHECKED.
BUT THAT WAS A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
AND THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS CERTAINLY NOT BROKEN INTO 15 PHASES.
YOU ARE SAYING THE PRELIMINARY PLAN WASN'T 15 PHASES THEN? NO, I THINK IT, I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY MORE LIKE THREE OR FOUR.
I DON'T, I I DON'T THINK WE REALLY KNEW BACK THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HOW MANY ACRES IS THIS? OH YEAH.
DID WE, WE KNEW, WE KNEW IT WAS GONNA BE ABOUT A THOUSAND HOMES AND THERE WAS GONNA BE A SCHOOL SITE ON THERE.
I MEAN, REMEMBER, I REMEMBER BRINGING UP, I REMEMBER THE SCHOOL THING.
I REMEMBER BRINGING UP THE, THE CONCERN OF THERE'S ONE WAY IN AND OUT OF THE SCHOOL.
AND APPARENTLY THAT IF I, IF I AM REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, THAT WAS CHANGED WHEN THEY BROUGHT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IN 2023.
IT'D BE SO NICE IF WE HAD THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PHOTOS.
SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO PULL UP THE PRELIMINARY PLAT SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE IT.
SO, BUT WILL, IF WE DID NOT APPROVE, LIKE IF WE DIDN'T APPROVE IT, WHAT WOULD WE GO? WELL, IT, LIKE I SAID, IT'S KIND OF A DOMINO EFFECT IF WE DON'T APPROVE PHASE ONE.
THEN THERE'S NO WAY FOR PHASE TWO, THREE AND FOUR FOUR TO GET OUT TO ROW LANE.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE WE CAN'T GO TO 1 37.
LIKE THOSE ARE RESIDENT HOMES, RIGHT? UH, NO, THERE IS.
OR IS THERE A, JUST KIND OF LOOKING AHEAD, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT PHASE FOUR, I'M SORRY, NOT PHASE FOUR.
I THINK IT'S PHASE THREE, THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS GONNA BE IF THEY END UP WIDENING ROW LANE AND MADE IT AN EXTRA LANE AND YOU TOOK IT ALL THE WAY TO ONE 30.
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RIGHT HAND TURN LANE.IT'S THE STOP SIGN THAT YOU HAVE THE, IT'S KIND OF THE, THEN YOU ROLL OUT AND TURN.
SO WOULD YOU HAVE TWO TURN BECAUSE YOU COULD ONLY GO NORTH.
SO, BUT YOU CAN ALSO TAKE JAKE'S HILL SOUTH, SO FROM THERE AND, AND CONNECT INTO KELLY AND SO FORTH.
AND THEN YOU GOT BUSES GOING THROUGH THERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
I DROP MY KID OFF AT SCHOOL OF FARLEY AND I GET ON ONE 30 THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY THAT I'M IN TOWN
SO, UH, IN PHASE THREE CR 1 98 LOOKS LIKE IT IS GOING TO CONNECT TO 1 37.
AND THAT'S THE CURVED ROAD RUNNING ROUGHLY EAST, WEST.
WHAT'D YOU SAY? COUNTY ROAD WHAT? 1 31 98 1 9 8.
SO ZOOM, ZOOM OUT SO THAT THEY CAN SEE THE OLD, SO THAT'S THE PHASING TABLE THAT HE JUST HAD THERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE IT KIND OF CORRESPONDS TO THE COLOR CODING IN THE MAP, BUT WE'LL GO INTO THE GO ZOOM BACK INTO THE PHASING TABLE REAL QUICK.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE LIMITED AS TO WHAT WE CAN DO SINCE IT'S, SO THERE'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GETTING OUT.
THE IDEA THAT THERE'S 15 PHASES IS FROM THE PHASING TABLE THAT'S ON THEIR PRELIMINARY PLOT.
AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE COLOR CODED MAP THAT SHOWS HOW I THINK THE CODES ARE D DEPENDENT ON THE PRODUCT THAT THEY'RE WHAT THE TYPE OF LOT.
SO YOU HAVE THE YEAH, I THINK THE COLOR CODE AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE MY CONFUSION CAME FROM.
LOOKING AT THE PRELIMINARY IS THERE'S WHAT FIVE COLORS ON THERE? NOT COUNTING THE, THE PARKLAND FLOODPLAIN.
THERE'S FIVE DIFFERENT COLORS ON THERE.
AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS PROBABLY GETTING THE PHASES.
DOES THIS HAVE ANY ADVERT WITH, UH, THE GATEWAY DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING APPROVED? UM, SO YOU'RE ASKING IF THIS HAS ANY IMPACT ON THE GATEWAY? YEAH.
'CAUSE THE GATEWAY IS JUST A CONCEPT AT THIS POINT.
THEY HAVEN'T STARTED PRELIMINARY PLATTING OR DOING ANY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITH THE CITY.
AND THEY ARE FURTHER LITTLE NORTH WEST OF HERE, UM, AND NORTH BECAUSE THEY'RE OVER AT LIKE 1 39 AND 1 37 I BELIEVE IT IS.
I KEPT SAYING 1 37, IT'S 1 39.
NOT 1 37, 1 39 RUNS INTO 1 37.
I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN
1 39 AND 1 98, 1 39 RUNS INTO FAMILY ROAD 1 37.
BUT HERE IT'S WHAT I'M TALKING.
SO THE OTHER THING THAT I'LL, I'LL REMIND YOU GUYS IS THIS IS A MUD, THEY HAVE A CONSENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY AND WE ARE EXTREMELY LIMITED ON WHAT OUR POWERS ARE TO INFLUENCE.
THAT'S A, I WAS LIKE, EVEN IF WE DISAGREE, WHAT CAN WE DO IF WE NOT APPROVE THIS? MY ONLY ISSUE WITH THIS IS THE STREET NAMES THEY HAVE IN THERE, THEY HAVE ONE STREET THAT HAVE FIVE NAMES.
THEY COULD ALSO SUE JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE LIKE A HALF CUL-DE-SAC IN THERE.
SO IT'S STILL CONSIDERED ONE STREET.
IT HAD ON, THAT'S WHAT I USED TO DO
SO YEAH, THEY HAVE ONE STREET WITH FIVE DIFFERENT NAMES EVERYWHERE IN BENDS.
SO DO WE ALREADY HAVE, HAVE THEY SUBMITTED THIS TO WILLIAMSON COUNTY FOR 9 1 1 ADDRESSING? THEY HAVE THEIR NAME RESERVATION.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE COUNTY.
THEN IF THEY HAVE THEIR NAME RESERVATION RIGHT, WE CAN DO WITH THEIR SUBMITTAL.
THAT'S, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE COUNTY'S ALREADY APPROVED.
THE NAMES FOR THE STREETS' BE ISSUES.
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IF WE WERE TO DISAPPROVE THIS ONE AND THE THREE SUBSEQUENT ONES, THEY CAN BUILD IT ANYHOW.CORRECT? UM, THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE OUR APPROVAL BECAUSE IT IS IN THE ETJ AND A MUD.
NO, THE, THEIR CONSENT AGREEMENT REQUIRES THAT THEY HAVE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND FINAL PLAT APPROVALS BY THE CITY.
SPEAKS VOLUME, BUT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ANY, LET LET, BUT THEY COULDN'T CHANGE LIKE ROW LANE OR ANYTHING.
THEY'VE DEDICATED, IT LOOKS LIKE 120 FEET WHERE, WHERE IT'S THEIRS.
OUTSIDE OF THAT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THEIR ROAD TO CHANGE MM-HMM
SO THAT WOULD THEN GO TO T OR THE COUNTY, EVERYBODY ELSE TO SEE THAT THERE'S A TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
AND THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S COUNTED NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
MATT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE, WE DECIDED TO TABLE THIS UNTIL NEXT MEETING AND ASK THEM TO COME AND SPEAK TO US? DID THEY WAVE SHOT CLOCK? YES.
SO I MEAN, TECHNICALLY NOTHING.
YOU, YOU WOULD SAY YOU'RE POSTPONING IT, THEY WAIVED SHOT CLOCK.
SO THERE'S NO TIMELINE COMPONENT FOR YOU AND YOU WANT THEM TO COME AND PRESENT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO AND ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT 9 1 1, ADDRESSING ROW LANE, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND, AND I, I CAN'T THINK OF ANY, ANYTHING THAT THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND COME BACK THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
P AND Z DOESN'T WANT TO FOLLOW UP UNTIL THEY HAVE MORE INFORMATION FROM THE DEVELOPER.
THAT'S COMPLETELY IN LINE WITH YOUR GUYS' ABILITIES BECAUSE THEY WAIVED SHOT CLOCKS.
SO THEY'RE, YOU'RE NOT HELD TO A SPECIFIC TIMELINE.
YEAH, BECAUSE I, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA MESS UP THE CONSENT AGREEMENT AND, YOU KNOW, THROW THIS MUD OUT THE WINDOW.
SO, BUT AGAIN, THE TRAFFIC, FOR ME, THE TRAFFIC, THAT'S A BIG CONCERN.
FUNNELING ALL OF THAT THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL STREET.
WELL, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALMOST A THOUSAND HOMES.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU FIGURE TWO CARS PER HOUSE RIGHT.
THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL STREET, THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL AND ON THE TWO LANE AS RIGHT NOW AS IT STANDS AT TWO LANE COUNTY ROAD OR COUNTRY ROAD, IN MY OPINION, YOU GOT A LOT OF BUSES THROUGH THERE, PLUS THE BUSES.
I, TO ME IT'S, WE, WE GOTTA TALK TO THE DEVELOPER.
I THINK I'M, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ANYTHING WE CAN CONTROL THAT TO, I THINK THINK THAT'S A COUNTY ROAD.
BUT SO KNOWING THEIR PLAN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF PHASE FIVE IS GONNA BE FOUR LANES DUMPING ONTO A NEW AND IMPROVED ROW LANE OR AN EXTENDED ROW LANE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
THAT IS, I THINK, GERMANE TO THIS PHASE ONE.
'CAUSE AS IT AS IT LOOKS TO ME RIGHT NOW, EVERYTHING'S FUNNELING OUT THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL STREET.
AND TO ME THAT'S A HUGE PROBLEM, MATT.
ARE THEY ARE, ARE THEY IN A HUGE HURRY TO GET THIS APPROVED? UM, I MEAN, WELL WHAT I'VE, A TYPICAL ANSWER FROM A DEVELOPER IS GONNA BE YES.
WELL, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS IF WE VOTED TO TABLE IT, COULD WE POSSIBLY HOLD A ADDITIONAL MEETING IN TWO WEEKS? I MEAN, IF THEY COULD COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, A HOLIDAY SEASON, UH, PROBABLY NOT.
THEORETICALLY, IF YOU GUYS WANTED TO CALL A SPECIAL CALL JUST FOR THIS IN TWO WEEKS, I MEAN, THAT PUTS YOU HAVING A MEETING LIKE RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS.
BUT WHAT WOULD THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE, THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING ANYTHING.
WHAT'S IN THAT, WHAT IS ACTUALLY IN THEIR POWER AS FAR AS A COUNTY ROAD OR ANNEXING RIGHT.
ANOTHER ROAD, WHAT SOMEONE'S FRONT YARD TO, TO BUILD A ROAD, YOU KNOW, TALK, TALKING WITH THE DEVELOPER ABOUT WHAT THEIR PLAN IS, WHAT THEY'VE GOT IN MOTION COULD SWING US ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
WHERE ARE YOU, WHERE DO YOU NEED ME TO DO IT WOULD HELP ME TREMENDOUSLY TO KNOW IF THEY YEAH.
BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THAT SIDE IS BUTTONED UP AGAINST 1 3 9.
THEY'RE BOTH ONE 90 LIKE THAT RESIDENTIAL IS BUTTONED UP TOO.
UH, IT LOOKS, LOOKS, SO IT HAS ACCESS TO 1 98 AND ROW LANE.
SEND THOSE OUT IN THAT AREA AND
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THEY'RE NOT HAPPY ABOUT THIS.WELL, I THINK WE CAN GO AROUND IN CIRCLES ON THIS ONE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE POSTPONE THIS, THIS ITEM UNTIL, OH, LEMME TAKE A LOOK AT THE CALENDAR HERE.
SO I GET THE DATE RIGHT UNTIL THE JANUARY 6TH MEETING.
THAT'D BE THE NEXT, THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.
I MEAN, UH, THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR AGENDA ITEMS. YEAH.
I'LL, I'LL DO THE SAME THING FOR OKAY.
BUT FOR THIS ONE, I, I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO POSTPONE UNTIL JANUARY 6TH, 2026, PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT THE DEVELOPER IS INVITED IN TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.
SO ARE YOU, ARE YOU, IS YOUR MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM? HOPE SO.
THEN CAN YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION TO ALSO, UH, INCLUDE 5 2 5 3 5 4 WE'RE, OR I'M, I'M GONNA MAKE THIS, I'M SORRY.
I'M GONNA MAKE THE SAME MOTION YOU DON'T NEED FOR ALL, ALL OF THE SUBSEQUENT ONES.
SO IS THAT A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.
IS THERE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THESE? THERE IS NOT.
SO THE MOTION IS TO POSTPONE UNTIL SIXTH JANUARY, 2026, UH, MADE BY COMMISSIONER HUDSON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WORTZ.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? UH, YOU DON'T AGREE WITH, UH, POSTPONING THAT IN JANUARY THE ANSWER'S GONNA BE THE SAME THING.
THEY CANNOT EXPAND THE ROAD BY JANUARY.
I I'M NOT ASKING THEM TO EXPAND THE ROAD.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE, WHAT I'M INVITING THE DEVELOPER TO DO IS EXPLAIN WHAT THEIR PLAN IS.
HAVE THEY COORDINATED WITH TEXT DOT FOR EXPANSION OF THE ROAD? I, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE BY JANUARY.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS.
AND IT'S ALSO GETTING THEM ON RECORD, HAVING THEM IN A MEETING TO DISCUSS IT TO US.
WELL, I'M SURE THEY HAD THAT MEETING WITH STAFF ABOUT THEIR INTENTS ON THE ROADS, IF ANY.
UM, SO I'M NOT AWARE THAT WE'VE HAD ANY CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT WIDENING OF ROW LANE OR ANY OF THE OTHER ROADS OUT THERE BEYOND WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DEDICATE WITHIN THEIR AREA.
UM, LOOKING AT THEIR CONSENT AGREEMENT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO A TIA SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO ANY TIA ANALYSIS WITH THEM OKAY.
TO UNDERSTAND THEIR TRAFFIC VOLUMES OR ANY OF THAT KIND OF THING.
THE CONSENT AGREEMENT BASICALLY SAYS THAT THEY HAVE A FIXED FEE THAT THEY'RE GONNA PAY PER RESIDENTIAL UNIT AND THEN THAT'S THE END OF THEIR REQUIREMENTS FOR TRANSPORTATION.
BUT THAT'S WHAT WE AGREED TO, SO THAT'S WHAT WE AGREED TO.
SO, SO ARE WE JUST GONNA END UP HOLDING THEM UP YES.
AND APPROVE IT NEXT MONTH? BECAUSE POSSIBLY THEY, WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THEM DO ANYTHING MORE.
POSSIBLY, UNLESS IN OUR OPINION THEY'RE NOT DOING ENOUGH TO MOVE TRAFFIC FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE CAN SAY NO.
THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE, WHAT THEY SIGNED IN THE CONSENT AGREEMENT.
WE, WE, WE CAN SAY NO, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL COULD COME BACK AND SAY YES.
AND I MEAN, IF THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING ON THEIR PROPERTY THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO OUTSIDE OF THAT, IT'S OUTSIDE.
YOU KNOW, THEY CAN COME IN AND SAY, YEAH, WE ASKED TEXDOT, BUT, AND WE TDOT SAID, BUILD THE HOUSES FIRST AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.
AND, AND AS LONG AS THEY ARE TALKING WITH TDOT ABOUT IT AND THEY'RE SHARING THEIR PLAN WITH US, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE OPERATING AS IF THEY'RE OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIELD AND THEY'RE NOT CONNECTING TO ANY ROADS EXCEPT THESE TWO AND THAT'S NOT OKAY.
SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY THAT'S, I WOULD LIKE THEM TO COME TO COME AND TELL US, HERE'S WHAT WE'VE GOT IN THE WORKS, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
COULD THAT BE A COMMUNICATION THEY GIVE US? LIKE STAFF ASKS? IT COULD BE A COMMUNICATION, BUT YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS OR THIS THAT THEY PROVIDE, YEAH.
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THAT THEY'RE HERE TO ANSWER THAT.WELL, THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR, SO WE NEED TO VOTE.
WELL, WE'RE ALSO DISCUSSING MOTION.
I THINK IT'S A DISCUSSION'S ENOUGH.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK I'M GONNA BE A NO ON THIS JUST BECAUSE WHAT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAPPEN IS, IS WE'RE GONNA GET IT AND THEN WE'RE GONNA JUST HAVE TO APPROVE IT ANYWAY.
AND, BUT WE DON'T, IF IF WE HAVE, IF COMMUNICATION FROM THEM THAT WE CAN PUT ON RECORD, THEN SURE.
BUT LIKE, IF WE JUST POSTPONE IT JUST FOR THEM TO TELL US THE SAME THING, WE COULD PROBABLY JUST ASK THEM FROM STAFF.
I I IMAGINE THAT WOULD SUFFICE TOO.
BUT IF WE ASK THEM FROM, LET'S SAY WE WERE TO ASK THEM FROM STAFF TONIGHT MM-HMM
WE WON'T GET THE ANSWER BACK TONIGHT.
SO WE'RE STILL IN A VACUUM AT THIS POINT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AT THIS POINT.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT WOULD BE WISER TO POSTPONE THIS.
IF WE GET INFORMATION BACK, GREAT.
WE'RE RIGHT BACK WHERE WE STARTED FROM TONIGHT WITH WHAT INFORMATION WE HAVE AND WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THAT.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE A SUBDIVISION OF ALMOST A THOUSAND HOMES WITHOUT KNOWING IF THEY'RE GOING TO WIDEN ROAD LANE OR WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO TO, OR, OR IF, IF ANYTHING'S GONNA BE DONE TO COUNTY ROAD 1 37, THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF BURDEN.
NO, AND I'M NOT SAYING I WE'VE ALREADY, BUT THE THING IS, IS THEY ALREADY AGREED TO BY THE, A FEE THEY PAY PER RESIDENT.
AND I'M SURE THAT THE COUNTY'S ALREADY LOOKED AT THIS AND I'M SURE TDOT'S PROBABLY LOOKED AT THEIR PLA AS WELL MM-HMM
AND MOST LIKELY WE'VE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, AGREED TO THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO THIS.
I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE'RE GONNA STOP 'EM FROM MAKING A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGES BECAUSE ALL THEY CAN REALLY CONTROL IS WHAT'S ON THEIR LAW BECAUSE IT, WE COULD APPROVE IT AND THEN I CITY COUNCIL COULD PROBABLY SAY NO.
BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO WHEN THEY'RE IN MUD AND WELL, THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE CONSENT AGREEMENT.
IS WE, WE ARE THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY.
OF COURSE THEY CAN GO TO COUNSEL AND COUNSEL CAN OVERRIDE US.
WHATEVER OUR DECISION IS, YES OR NO.
BUT I FEEL LIKE RIGHT NOW THERE'S TOO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS FOR US TO MAKE THE INFORMED DECISION.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR AN EXPANSION OF ROW.
YEAH, THEY HAVE IT OUT TO 120 FEET.
BUT THE DISTANCE ON THAT IS, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, LOOKS LIKE ABOUT 1,250 FEET.
SO QUARTER MILE IS THAT, THAT'S JUST ON PHASE ONE.
AND PHASE ONE IS THE ONLY ONE WHERE THEY HAVE ANY RIGHT OF WAY EXPANSION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT MM-HMM.
WELL KEEP IN MIND THOUGH, FOUR, THEY SHOW 120 FOOT FOR ROW LANE TOO.
ROWE LANE IS PART OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND TRAVIS COUNTY.
SO IT'S, I I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS.
YOU KNOW, IF NO, NO, I, I MEAN I AGREE.
I, IT JUST, I HATE TO SAY WE'RE GONNA POSTPONE IT AND THEN WE JUST HAVE TO APPROVE IT AT END, END THE DAY.
YOU KNOW, I I, I DON'T WANT TO BE BACK HERE 31 DAYS FROM NOW AND SAYING, OKAY, WELL WE DON'T HAVE ANY ANSWERS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, NOW AT LEAST MY OPINION, IF WE POSTPONE IT, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOME ANSWERS.
HOW MANY EXITS AND ENTRANCES ARE THERE ON EACH OF THE STREETS THAT ABUS THAT PROPERTY? SO WHAT WE'RE PULLING UP HERE IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
SO TRY TO HELP WITH THIS CONVERSATION.
UM, AND THIS WAS VOTED ON AN APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAN HAS BEEN APPROVED.
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YES, THAT'S CORRECT.UM, SO ZOOM INTO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER.
SCROLL TO THE LEFT A LITTLE FURTHER.
ALRIGHT, SO ZOOM IN RIGHT THERE WHERE THE, WHERE THE ROAD LANE STARTS, IT CONNECTS TO THE EXISTING ROW.
SO YOU CAN SEE BASICALLY RIGHT THERE, THEY'RE NARROWING EVERYTHING DOWN ON ROW LANE WHERE IT CUTS OUT OF, UM, WHERE, WHERE ROW LANE TURNS NORTH AND BECOMES 1 39.
SO THEY'RE NARROWING IT DOWN TO MEET THE EXISTING ROW LANE.
MOVE EAST AND THEN, SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S PRETTY WIDE THROUGH THERE.
AND, AND I'M O I'M ABSOLUTELY OKAY WITH THAT FOR PHASE ONE.
AND THEN, UH, HOLD ON, HOLD ON ONE SEC.
UH, DO YOU SEE THE, UH, THE YELLOW LOT, UH, KIND OF THE END CAP LOT RIGHT THERE? UH, AT THE VERY WEST EDGE? YEP.
THAT ONE, THERE'S A LINE THAT CROSSES ROW LANE RIGHT OF WAY JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THAT.
THAT IS WHERE ON PHASE ONE THE ROLLING EXPANSION ENDS.
PHASE TWO IS A DIFFERENT SECTION.
PHASE THREE IS THE NEXT SECTION.
WHAT, WHAT'S IT SHOW ON PHASE TWO FOR THE RIGHT? PHASE TWO HERE? IS THIS THE SAME PHASE TWO THAT WE HAVE FOR TONIGHT? RIGHT.
PHASE ONE, IT ENDS RIGHT HERE IN THE RIGHT TO, TO THE RIGHT OF THAT IS PHASE TWO.
THIS IS NOT, THAT'S PHASE TWO.
THAT'S NOT PHASE TWO IS IT? THAT'S PHASE TWO UP ON IT UP THERE.
SO I'LL, I'M GONNA SWITCH BACK TO THE POWERPOINT THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.
IS THAT PHASE TWO? I DIDN'T SEE IT IN PHASE TWO.
AM I MISSING IT? YEAH, IT'S, SO THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE MAPS WHEN PRINTING THEM OUT.
THAT COULD BE WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? 'CAUSE ALL I SEE IT'S PAGE 1 27.
STEP BACK TO YOUR COLOR COMPANY.
CHAMBER WAY OR WHATEVER THIS IS RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS LINE IS THE END OF PHASE TWO.
YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE I'M, MAYBE I'M MISSING IT.
THAT'S WHY I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND GOING, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T SEE IT.
WELL YOU WANNA FLIP BACK OVER TO YOUR, SO IT SHOWS IT'S STILL 120 FEET THERE.
ALONG FACE TWO AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY PAST CAM.
I CAN'T REALLY READ THAT CAM WAVE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME.
AND SO GO BACK TO YOUR COLOR COPY MAN.
AND SO THEN PHASE, DOES PHASE THREE GO UP OR DOES PHASE THREE KEEP GOING? MOVE IT GOES UP PHASE IS ON THE NORTH SECTION.
AND WHAT ABOUT PHASE FOUR? IT'S ON THE SOUTH SOUTHEAST CORNER.
AND THERE'S PHASE FOUR IS AT, RIGHT AT COUNTY ROAD 1 98 HERE.
I'LL GO BACK TO THE POWERPOINT AND WE CAN LOOK AT WHERE PHASE FOUR IS.
PHASE FOUR, THERE'S GREAT OWL, GREAT OWL ROW, THERE'S ROW AND IT ENDS HERE.
IF WE LOOK AT THE PRELIMINARY AGAIN, GO BACK TO THE COLOR THAT'S HERE.
SO NOW WE'VE GOT TWO EXITS ON A ROW.
CANBERRA AND SAN ANISE OR WHATEVER IT IS.
ONE, TWO, AND THEN 1 98 ON THE NORTH SIDE.
SO THAT'S THREE, WHICH IS BETTER.
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LITTLE RESIDENTIAL SITES.SO CAN WE ASSUME THAT IF, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT PLAT RIGHT HERE, AND IT'S SHOWING THAT ROLL AID'S 120 FOOT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
IS THAT WIDE OR OR LENGTH WIDE? IT'S WIDE WIDE.
THEN SINCE IT'S ON THE PLAT, THAT MEANS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT, CORRECT? UH, NOT NECESSARILY.
IT COULD BE A JOINT TDOT EFFORT.
RIGHT? UM, I WOULD NOT ASSUME IT'S TEXTILE, BUT IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PARTNER WITH ONE OF THE COUNTIES.
YOU KNOW, I'M, I, I'M, I'M TRYING TO MAKE MYSELF THINK THIS IS GONNA WORK.
WELL, WELL, I MEAN, I THINK BUT IF IT'S ON A PLAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
AND YEAH, BUT SO LIKE, JUST BECAUSE IT'S ON A PLA AND THEY'RE SHOWING YOU 120 FOOTER RIGHT AWAY MM-HMM
DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE TO GO BUILD SIX LANES OR ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.
AND IF IT INCLUDED THIS, DO YOU KNOW THE SAME BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME.
I CAN'T EVEN READ WHAT, WHAT THIS HEMPSTEAD, IF IT WERE TO INCLUDE HEMPSTEAD, I PERSONALLY WOULD BE A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL COMING OFF OF THE SCHOOL DUMPING ONTO A MUCH WIDER ROAD THAT THEN CONNECTS INTO THE WIDENED ROW LANE.
I'M MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON PHASE 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS SOMEHOW DUMPING OUT HERE.
SO REALLY EVERYTHING IS TYING BACK TO 1 39.
AND LIKE I SAID, I, I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEIR PLAN IS BECAUSE IF THIS WERE NOT IN A MUD, I WOULD BE VOTING TO DISAPPROVE THIS.
THERE'S NO WAY I WOULD VOTE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
AND I, ME PERSONALLY, I'M NOT GONNA CHANGE HOW I VIEW THINGS JUST BECAUSE IT'S A MUD.
I MEAN, THERE'S PEOPLE TALKING, DEALING WITH PEOPLE, RIGHT? WE WE'RE DEALING WITH THAT A TON OF TRAFFIC.
AND I THINK EVERYBODY WHO'S EVER WATCHED A P AND Z MEETING KNOWS THAT I'M THE GUY WHO TALKS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND ACCESS
I'M SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.
BUT IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO POSTPONE? NO.
ALL RIGHT, THEN LET'S CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, VOTE TO POSTPONE TO JANUARY.
POSTPONE ITEM 5.3 TO SIX JANUARY 26.
TO MOVE THINGS ALONG, I THINK WE'RE SEEING THE SAME THING ON PHASE OR ON FIVE FOUR.
SO IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, MANNY, DON'T WANNA, DON'T WANNA STEAL YOUR THUNDER, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON FIVE FOUR TO POSTPONE TO SIXTH JANUARY 26TH.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT, THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
I WOULD MOVE TO POSTPONE, UH, UNTIL SIX.
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ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? ALRIGHT, THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.I WOULD MOVE TO POSTPONE UNTIL SIX.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, THEN I'LL CALL FOR VOTE.
WAS THAT BETTER
DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO CITY COUNCIL ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, NOW I'M GONNA TAKE MY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAT OFF.
I'M GONNA PUT MY CITY ENGINEER HAT ON.
UH, SO MATT RECTOR, I AM CURRENTLY YOUR CITY ENGINEER.
SO LET ME TAKE YOU BACK IN TIME.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE HERE LAST SPRING AND SUMMER.
WE WENT THROUGH THE CIP IN DEPTH AND TALKED THROUGH ALL THE PROJECTS, ALL OF THE CURRENT UPDATED MASTER PLANS.
UM, AND WE CREATED A NEW RECOMMENDATION FOR CITY COUNCIL.
AND WE FINISHED THAT UP, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN LATE APRIL, EARLY MAY.
AND THEN IN JUNE WE STARTED THE BUDGET CONVERSATION WITH CITY COUNCIL.
AND CITY COUNCIL DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO GO BACK TO WHAT THEY HAD LAST SEEN BEFORE ALL OF THAT STUFF CAME TO P AND Z.
SO ALL THAT WORK, I DID NOT WANT IT TO GO IN VAIN.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT IS ALL OF THE PRESENTATIONS, ALL OF THE DISCUSSIONS, ALL OF THE LIKE, PDFS, EXCEL FILES, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT WAS DISCUSSED BY P AND Z AND PARKS.
LAST, I SAY LAST YEAR, CURRENTLY IT'S STILL THIS YEAR, BUT EARLIER THIS YEAR.
UM, TO GET READY FOR THE FY 26 CIP CITY MANAGER AND STAFF HAVE DECIDED THAT WE'RE GOING TO START THE CONVERSATIONS EARLY THIS YEAR TO AVOID ANY LAST MINUTE FIASCOS.
AND SO, UM, TONIGHT BEFORE YOU, IS ALL OF THE WORK THAT WE HAD DONE OVER THE SPRING AND EARLY SUMMER.
SO I FIGURED THIS WOULD BE THE BEST STARTING POINT BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE THIS BODY, UH, ALTHOUGH I KNOW YOU'VE HAD SOME, SOME FACE CHANGES, THIS BODY LEFT THINGS OFF IN MAY.
AND SO, UH, THE POINT OF THIS CONVERSATION TONIGHT IS TO GET THE BALL ROLLING, TO START THE CONVERSATION ABOUT CIPI DID NOT WANT TO START OVER AND TAKE YOU THROUGH FIVE MONTHS OF CONVERSATIONS.
UM, BUT I DID WANT TO PUT THIS IN FRONT OF YOU AND OPEN THE CONVERSATION TO SEE, UH, IF THERE WERE ANY THINGS THAT YOU GUYS, SINCE SOME OF YOU ARE BRAND NEW, SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN HERE FOR THE PRIOR CONVERSATIONS, SEE IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO PIVOT, THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE.
THE IDEA BEING THAT WE WOULD COME UP WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION, GO BACK TO CITY COUNCIL EARLY IN 26 SO THAT THEY CAN START PROVIDING GUIDANCE AND FEEDBACK.
UM, AND SO WITH THAT, WE, WE'VE BASICALLY JUST THROWN EVERYTHING AT YOU THAT WE THREW OVER MULTIPLE MEETINGS, TRYING TO GIVE YOU ALL THE INFORMATION UPFRONT.
AND WE GAVE THIS TO YOU IN ADVANCE OF THIS MEETING WELL IN ADVANCE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TIME TO REVIEW EVERYTHING.
UM, SO WITH ALL OF THAT, I, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANY CONVERSATION THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ON HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO PIVOT OR ADJUST ANY OF THE CIP ITEMS THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU.
SO, UH, IF NO ONE MINDS I'D KINDA LIKE TO START OUT, UM, AS FAR AS COUNCIL'S BUDGET AND THEIR ADJUSTMENTS, I THINK IF WE COULD GET THAT AS KIND OF A SEPARATE SHEET SO WE CAN COMPARE IT AGAINST, 'CAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH AS OF MAY, AND THEN THEY TORE IT UP IN JUNE AND JULY.
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GET THEIR ADJUSTMENTS, THEN WE CAN KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AND ADJUST OUR OWN PLAN SO THAT WE'RE NOT, I DON'T WANNA SAY BUTTING HEADS WITH COUNCIL, BUT SO THAT WE'RE MORE IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT COUNCIL IS VIEWING GOING FORWARD BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED ON THIS IN JUNE AND JULY WILL BE THERE IN MAY OR APRIL.SO IT, IT'S NOT LIKELY TO CHANGE THEIR BUDGET PHILOSOPHIES OR THEIR, THEIR VISION.
AND IF WE CAN SEE WHAT THEY DID, HOW THEY TRIMMED THIS DOWN, MADE THEIR ADJUSTMENTS, THEN I THINK WE KNOW BETTER GOING FORWARD WHAT WE SHOULD BE KIND OF ADJUSTING TO.
WELL, THEY HAVEN'T, THEY HAVEN'T EXACTLY GIVEN US ANY SORT OF DIRECTION, BUT I THINK WE CAN MAKE SOME INFERENCES BASED ON WHAT THEY DID.
BUT WOULDN'T YOU WANT AN UNCONSTRAINED VIEW WHERE IT'S LIKE, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK IS THE RIGHT HIT.
WELL, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT
WE, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE, BUT LIKE WE, WE'VE DONE THAT AND, YOU KNOW, KNOW LET'S, I'M JUST GONNA PICK ON THE LIBRARY.
IF, IF WE SAID, HEY, WE SHOULD DO THE LIBRARY FEASIBILITY STUDY IN 2026 AND COUNCIL TURNED AROUND AND PUSH THAT OUT TO 2030, THEN IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR US TO GO IN AND PUT IT IN FOR 2026 AGAIN.
BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST GONNA PUSH IT BACK.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? NOW MAYBE WE CAN SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE REALLY THINK THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN, LET'S PUT IT IN 27 AND SEE IF THEY PUMPED IT AGAIN.
'CAUSE I I DON'T WANNA CHANGE MY PLANNING BASED ON WHAT EXACTLY.
I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO CHANGE YOUR PLANNING.
I'M SAYING, HEY, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT COUNCIL'S DOING AND TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO THAT IF, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL KEEPS PUSHING EVERYTHING OUT TO 2030, WE CAN GO, ALL RIGHT, THEY OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE THE APPETITE FOR THIS.
HOW SHOULD WE BE PRIORITIZING THIS? OR MAYBE EVEN, HOW SHOULD WE BE PITCHING THIS TO COUNCIL SO THAT IT DOES GET WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR? MATT, DO WE, DO WE HAVE THE RESULTS OF THE CITIZENS, UH, SURVEY ON, ON A BUNCH OF THIS STUFF? I DO.
THAT, THAT WAS PART OF THE INFORMATION PACKET WE RECEIVED LAST YEAR.
YEAH, I BELIEVE WE, I MEAN I THINK WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO A BRAND NEW CITIZEN SURVEY.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE THOSE RESULTS.
THERE IS A SURVEY 'CAUSE I TOOK IT, BUT YEAH.
I'M JUST SAYING THINKING IF, IF WE HAD THAT SURVEY ALSO TO KNOW MM-HMM
WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS OR THINKS IS MOST IMPORTANT.
'CAUSE WHAT THEY THINK AND WHAT WE THINK AND WHAT COUNCIL THINKS ARE, COULD BE THREE DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND I THINK AS A COMMISSION AND AS A COUNCIL, WE ARE, I THINK WE SHOULD LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS FIRST.
NO, I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA AS WELL.
IF WE CAN GET THE, THE COUNCIL CHANGES AND THE, AND THE RESULTS SURVEY.
THE LAST CITIZEN SURVEY RESULTS.
UH, I KNOW THAT WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION LAST YEAR.
WHERE DID YOU GUYS TAKE THE SURVEY AT
IT WAS WITHIN THE LAST TWO WEEKS.
WAS IT WAS IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS.
IT WAS JUST A 10 QUESTION KIND OF SURVEY.
HOW DID THEY SEND IT OUT? I GOT IT EMAIL AT FACEBOOK.
UH, THEY ALSO HAD IT ON THE CITY PAGE AND, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS ACCESSIBLE THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER COMMENTS.
IS THAT THE CITY WISHLIST? YES.
IS THAT THE SURVEY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? THAT'S WHAT WITH THE UTILITY BILL DISTRIBUTION OR SOMETHING.
AND I, I THINK THAT, THAT, LIKE YOU SAID HERE WITH THE CITIZENS THAT PAY THE TAXES THAT ARE GONNA PAY FOR THIS.
WHAT DO THEY WANT TO SEE? YEAH.
BUT I ALSO THINK THAT IF THERE'S A WAY TO TRY TO GET THAT TO MORE PEOPLE.
'CAUSE YOU GUYS SAID YOU TOOK A SURVEY AND I'M LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, WHY DIDN'T I GET THE SURVEY
YOU KNOW, WELL, I GOT IT THROUGH MY EMAIL.
MY HUSBAND DIDN'T GET IT, SO I, WELL, I'LL TELL YOU THIS.
THEY USED TO SEND OUT SURVEYS ONLY TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE OR THE PEOPLE THAT THEY WANTED TO SEND IT TO.
WELL, THAT, THAT, THAT'S A DIFF THAT'S A DIFFERENT SURVEY TOO.
BUT I KNOW MY EMAIL'S REGISTERED BECAUSE I HAVE A LOGIN.
NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF YOU GOT IT, THEY'VE DONE, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA SEND THIS OUT TO 4,000.
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IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT THE, IS THAT'S THE COLLEGE LEVEL SURVEYS.SO THE ONLY THING THAT I'LL, I'LL ADD IS THAT I BELIEVE THE WISHLIST WAS FOCUSED MORE ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND NOT SO MUCH ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT INFRASTRUCTURE TYPE STUFF.
IT, IT, IT DEFINITELY WAS, IT WAS MORE TOWARDS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
BUT SO AS FAR AS THE FULL ON COMMUNITY SURVEY WHERE THEY SENT IT OUT TO 4,000 AND IT, IT WAS FULLY VETTED AND APPROVED AS STATISTICALLY RELEVANT AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
WE DID SEE THAT WHEN WE DEVELOPED WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN FRONT OF US.
I THINK INCLUDING THAT WILL HELP GUIDE US.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE REDONE THAT YET, BUT I CAN GET YOU THE SAME DATA THAT WE GOT YOU LAST SPRING.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE PERFECT.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF ON THE MASSIVE SPREADSHEET.
UH, I REMEMBER FROM THE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE PARKS THAT THIS WAS, THE PARKS PIECE WAS BASICALLY, AND I HATE TO SAY IT THIS WAY, BUT IT WAS BASICALLY JUST REGURGITATING THEIR MASTER PLAN.
AND THERE WAS, IT SEEMED TO ME AT THAT TIME THAT THERE WAS VERY LITTLE, UH, DECISION MAKING OR INPUT AS TO WHAT PARKS WAS PRIORITIZING.
IT WAS JUST KIND OF, HERE'S OUR MASTER PLAN.
SO MAYBE, UM, WHEN WE START LAUNCHING INTO THIS EARLY, MAYBE WE SET UP SOMETHING JOINTLY WITH PARKS AND NOT NECESSARILY HAVE THEM DO IT IN A VACUUM, BUT SIT DOWN WITH US AND SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS OUR PRIORITIES SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHERE PARKS IS COMING FROM.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE STATUS IS ON THE, UH, OH, IT'S THE NONPROFIT PARKS.
UH, I FORGET WHAT THE NAME OF IT IT IS.
IT'S NOT ACTUAL, IT'S LIKE FRIENDS OF THE PARK TYPE THING.
THE CHARITABLE CONTRIBUTIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY ARE WITH FUNDING OR DEVELOPMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT, THAT MAY ENTER INTO THE CONVERSATION AS FAR AS, HEY, CAN WE DO THIS PARK RENOVATION WITH THIS FRIENDS OF THE PARKS ORGANIZATION? YEAH.
YOU KNOW, CAN THEY COVER THAT COST? WELL, COOL.
UM, AND THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT WITH THE PARTS PIECE.
AND THEN THE FINAL ONE IS THE FINAL, MY FINAL COMMENT ON IT IS, ARE WE STILL, ARE WE STILL KIND OF DOING THE, OKAY, THIS IS WHERE THE FUNDING FOR THIS IS COMING FROM.
IS THAT STILL A REQUIREMENT ON US? BECAUSE THAT SEEMED KIND OF ILL-ADVISED.
SO LAST YEAR, IF YOU KNOW, IF YOU REMEMBER LAST, LAST YEAR, WHEN I SAY LAST YEAR, I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS A YEAR AGO.
THE LAST CYCLE WE DID THIS, UM, IT WASN'T SO MUCH TELLING US WHICH FUND WAS GONNA PAY FOR WHAT, AS MUCH AS IT WAS TRYING TO HONE IN ON HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL DEBT WE WOULD TAKE ON.
FOR UTILITIES FOR GENERAL FUND.
AND THIS BODY BASICALLY TOLD CITY COUNCIL, THAT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW.
AND, UM, SO CITY COUNCIL THEN BASICALLY THEY, I MEAN YOU GUYS ALL KNOW THEY ADOPTED A NO NEW REVENUE AND THEY SAID YOU NEED TO COME BACK AND TELL US HOW MUCH DEBT WE CAN TAKE ON AND LIVE WITHIN THE NO NEW REVENUE.
AND THEY, THAT'S HOW THEY SQUEEZED EVERYTHING DOWN TO THE CIP THAT WAS ADOPTED.
UM, I FULLY ANTICIPATE THAT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET CONVERSATION WILL GO VERY SIMILAR TO THAT, WHERE THEY'RE GONNA SAY NO NEW REVENUE, TELL US HOW MUCH WE CAN BORROW TO LIVE WITHIN THAT BRACKET.
AND I, I ALSO FULLY ANTICIPATE THAT THE NUMBER WILL BE CLOSE TO OR LESS THAN IT WAS THIS YEAR.
UM, SO I COULD GO AHEAD AND TALK TO FINANCE AND SEE IF THEY CAN PROJECT OUT THAT FAR AND MAKE A, A GUESS TO KIND OF GIVE YOU GUYS LIKE YOUR GUARD GUIDEPOSTS TO TRY TO STICK WITHIN TO SAY, IF WE HAVE TO LIMIT IT, AND I'M JUST GONNA THROW A NUMBER OUT, IF WE HAVE TO LIMIT OUR DEBT ISSUANCE TO $20 MILLION, THEN HERE'S THE PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD SAY YOU NEED TO DO RIGHT NOW THAT FIT WITHIN THAT $20 MILLION.
AND, AND LAST YEAR IT SEEMED LIKE WE WERE SAYING, OKAY, WELL THIS IS, THIS ONE HERE IS,
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YOU KNOW, A A POINT, UH, A 1 CENT INCREASE AND SO ON.AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE GUARDRAILS.
SO WE WERE JUST, OKAY, WELL IF WE HAVE NO UPPER LIMIT AND NO LOWER LIMIT YES.
SO I THINK PUTTING THE GUARDRAILS IN THIS TIME AROUND, THEN WE CAN MAKE A BETTER INFORMED DECISION.
AND WE KIND OF MATCH, AGAIN, KIND OF MATCHING UP WITH WHAT COUNCIL DID.
WE GIVE THEM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS SOUNDS REDUNDANT, BUT DO WE GIVE THEM A UNCONSTRAINED VIEW AND THEN WE GIVE THEM A CONSTRAINED VIEW OF THIS IS THE FUNDING AT THAT LIMIT? YEAH.
I THINK WE CAN DO THAT EASILY ENOUGH.
YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD LOOK AT, 'CAUSE LIKE WE COULD LOOK AT THIS AND GO, OKAY, HERE ARE OUR TOP 10 OR WHATEVER.
AND THEN ONCE WE GET THE GUARDRAILS, WE CAN GO, OKAY, HERE ARE OUR TOP THREE
EITHER WE NEED THOSE GUARDRAILS, THE, THE LEFT AND RIGHT LIMITS.
'CAUSE WITHOUT THOSE WE'RE JUST IN THE WHEELS AGAIN.
I MEAN, IT, IT, IT'S NOT REALLY SPINNING THE WHEEL.
I MEAN, WE GIVE THEM THE SUGGESTION.
IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO TAKE IT, THEN THAT'S ON THEM.
WE'RE DOING OUR JOB ON PLANNING OUT.
AND IF THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT, THEN THAT'S, AND IF IT'S A PRIORITY THING, THEN THAT'S UP TO THEM.
I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE ONES SPENDING THE MONEY.
IT THAT I JUST DON'T WANT US TO GO WE'RE, 'CAUSE OUR JOB IS TO LOOK FAR OUT WITH RIGHT.
THEY ARE LOOKING AT IT AT A VIEW OF WE GOTTA PROTECT CITIZEN.
BUT LIKE, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, SPENDING THE MONEY.
IF WE'RE GIVING THEM THE UNCONSTRAINED VIEW AND THEY GO, NO, THAT DOESN'T WORK, THEN THAT IS, THAT'S IT IS.
I, I GUESS THE WAY I'M ENVISIONING IT, KIND OF ADDRESSING YOUR POINT IS IF WE'VE GOT THE LEFT AND RIGHT LIMITS IN THERE YEAH.
THEN WE CAN MAKE, I'M GONNA SAY BETTER, UH, BETTER INFORMED DECISIONS, UH, NOT BETTER DECISIONS, BETTER RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR.
AND WE CAN STILL BE UNCONSTRAINED BEYOND THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR.
BUT NOW WE KNOW, OH HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A $30 MILLION PROJECT.
WE'VE GOT 20 MILLION AS AN EXAMPLE TO PLAY WITH.
WE MIGHT WANNA MOVE THAT PROJECT TO 28 BECAUSE WE, WE AND THERE'S SOME THAT ARE SET IN STONE.
THAT WILL EXPIRE AT SOME POINT.
AND SO AND SO THOSE WE CAN'T MOVE.
SO IF MAYBE WE FIND THOSE FIRST.
AND, AND LA UH, LAST CYCLE, NOT LAST YEAR.
I WANT TO APPLAUD MATT BECAUSE HE WAS VERY, VERY CLEAR ON THE WASTEWATER AND WATER THINGS WHERE WE'VE GOT TO DO THIS.
TCEQ SAYS WE HAVE TO DO THAT IF WE DON'T DO IT HERE.
SO I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY ROAD PROJECTS THAT ARE KIND OF MANDATED.
AND I DON'T THINK, NO, THERE'S, THERE'S NO REGULATORY CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE TO MEET FOR ROAD PROJECTS.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH JUST HOW MUCH PAIN ARE WE WILLING TO TOLERATE.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY CITIZENS SCREAMING AT US? YEP.
CAN WE HANDLE, AND I KNOW THERE'S NO MANDATES FOR PARK PROJECTS EITHER.
THERE'S RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PARK ASSOCIA, NATIONAL PARK ASSOCIATION AND SO ON, BUT THERE'S NO MANDATES.
THERE'S NO NO NO REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE X NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET OF SPACE FOR LIBRARY BASED ON POPULATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WHAT ABOUT DRAINAGE? UH, SO WE DO HAVE A DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN.
THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED IN THAT MASTER PLAN MM-HMM
BUT IT WASN'T THERE AS AN AUDIT OR SOMETHING THAT WE COULD BE LIABLE IF WE DON'T MOVE TOWARDS THAT.
I BELIEVE IT WAS PRESENTED IN ALASKA COUNCIL MEETING.
UH, SO THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WE PRESENTED THE AADA A MASTER PLAN AADA DRAFT.
BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT HASN'T BEEN ADOPTED YET.
THAT'LL COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 18TH FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION.
BUT ONCE, ONCE THAT'S ADOPTED, THEN YES, WE HAVE TO SHOW PROGRESS TOWARDS
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ACHIEVING THAT PLAN.OTHERWISE, THEN THEORETICALLY YES, THE STATE AND THE FED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COULD COME AFTER US FOR BEING NON-COMPLIANT, EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY EVERY CITY IS NON-COMPLIANT BECAUSE YOU WERE REQUIRED TO BE COMPLIANT WITHIN THREE YEARS OF THEM PASSING THE LAW, WHICH WAS IN THE 1990S.
THEY ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT NO CITY HAS THE FUNDING MECHANISM TO GO OUT AND GET THEIR CITY 100% COMPLIANT TODAY.
BECAUSE ALMOST EVERY CITY THAT I'M AWARE OF HAS NEGLECTED SOME ASPECT OF THAT COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENT.
BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE THROUGH THIS.
UH, WELL, I MEAN SOME OF, SO THERE'S A LIMIT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IS FOR LARGE SCALE INVESTMENTS IN YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
PART OF THAT A DA COMPLIANCE PLAN WILL BE TO ADDRESS THE ADDRESS THINGS THROUGH MAINTENANCE.
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FUND MAINTENANCE ITEMS IN YOUR CIP.
BUT IT COULD BE, UM, LIKE THE SIDEWALK PROJECT I'M THINKING IN, IN, UH, LAKESIDE.
YOU KNOW, THAT SIDEWALK PROJECT IS NEW CONSTRUCTION AND WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT IT'S A DA COMPLIANT WHEN IT'S CONSTRUCTED.
YOU KNOW, SO IF WE'RE DOING, UH, 'CAUSE TRAILS WILL BE ON HERE YEP.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE A DA COMPLIANT, YOU KNOW? SO YES, IT IS KIND OF BAKED IN, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL COST.
IT'S WITH THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE GOT ON HERE.
AND SO FOR LIKE EXAMPLE, WE'RE WE'RE DOING A PROJECT TO STUDY LOOKING AT WIDENING LIMB OR LOOP.
SO WHEN WE WIDEN LIMB OR LOOP, WE'LL HAVE TO RECONSTRUCT SIDEWALKS.
SO THEN THAT PART OF THE A DA COMPLIANCE WILL BE INCLUDED IN THAT PROJECT.
BUT IF IT'S JUST A PRO, IF IT'S JUST A SIDEWALK DOWN THE ROAD ON LIMBER LOOP WHERE WE'RE NOT TOUCHING ANYTHING AND IT'S JUST GOTTA SHIFT, THAT MEANS WE'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
THAT'S A MAINTENANCE PROJECT THAT THEY CAN JUST GO KNOCK OUT MM-HMM
AND, AND WE CAN'T LEGALLY PUT THAT ON THE CIPI MEAN THE ONLY THING I I SEE IS A PRIORITY AND, AND THIS IS JUST ME, IT'S ROADS.
IT'S GOTTA BE THE FIRST ONE ON HERE.
AND I MEAN, NO ONE IS HONESTLY SCREAMING ON A NEW BUILDING OH.
I THINK THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT IS DESPERATELY NEEDED BECAUSE, UM, JUST BECAUSE THE WAY IT IS, HOW MUCH THEY'RE USING, I MEAN, THEY'RE CRAMMED INTO THAT SPACE SO MUCH THEY'RE GETTING RAINED ON INSIDE THEIR BUILDING.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I COULD THINK, THINK ABOUT WOULD CHANGE.
BUT HAVE THEY FIXED THE ROOF? UH, THEY'VE PATCHED IT.
THEY'VE PATCHED THE, BUT I MEAN, SO LIKE, AND I DON'T, I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY ANYBODY'S WRONG.
THE PARKS, I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO WALK THROUGH THE PARKS OFFICE BUILDING AND LIKE MAKE SURE YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE IS UP TO SPEED BECAUSE, UH, THEIR FLOOR IS, IS FALLING IN.
UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO VISIT THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD ON A REGULAR BASIS.
UM, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT LATELY THEY DO NOT HAVE WATER OUT THERE.
AND SO, AND THEIR, THEIR BUILDING IS I THINK A 20-YEAR-OLD MOBILE HOME IS BASICALLY WHAT IT IS.
AND SO, I MEAN THERE THERE ARE, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE OTHER NEEDS THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS AT SOME POINT.
IT'S JUST WE HAVE A SEVERE ROAD ISSUE WHERE IT'S HOLDING UP DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND I, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE NEED IS THERE RATHER THAN YES.
I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES, BUT LIKE, I THINK A LOT OF THE ROAD ISSUES THOUGH ARE AREN'T NECESSARILY ON THE CITY OF HOW DO TO FIX THOUGH.
THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF OUR ABILITY TO FIX AS CITY.
WELL, BUT I DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THE BUILDINGS 'CAUSE YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE IN A WORK ENVIRONMENT AND THEY DON'T HAVE RUNNING WATER.
WHAT IS THE ISSUE WITH THE WATER? I I HEARD YOU SAY NO.
I MEAN THE UM, THE WATER LINE THAT LEADS INTO THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD, UH, TENDS TO CLOG UP A LOT.
I GUESS JUST BECAUSE IT'S SO OLD AND SO SMALL.
IRON
LIKE WE, WE'VE, WE'VE FLUSHED IT OUT MULTIPLE TIMES.
THERE'S GRAVEL AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF THAT COMES OUTTA THAT THING.
WHAT SIZE MAIN IS IT? I THINK IT'S A TWO INCH LINE.
SO IT'S A DECENT, I MEAN, IT'S DECENT S SIZE FOR THE SMALL TRAILER WE HAVE.
I MEAN, BUT IT'S JUST AN OLD LINE ALLOWED TO BUILD A BUILDING.
I THINK THAT IT'D PROBABLY EASY TO FIX.
I I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT FOR THE TIME BEING YEAH.
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FIXED.AND MY POINT WAS JUST TO SAY THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FACILITIES YEAH.
THAT NEED, AND I DON'T DISAGREE ON THE ROAD THING.
BUT THEN, THEN THERE'S A SECOND CONVERSATION.
LET'S SAY YOU GUYS DECIDE YOU WANNA FOCUS ON ROADS.
THE SECOND PART OF THAT CONVERSATION IS ARE YOU FOCUSING ON DESIGNING ROADS OR CONSTRUCTING ROADS? MM-HMM
RIGHT? BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY ALMOST THREE YEARS.
WE HAVE DONE DESIGN AFTER DESIGN AFTER DESIGN.
AND AS WE ARE WRAPPING THOSE DESIGNS UP, WE JUST PUT THOSE DESIGNS ON THE SHELF.
WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY FUNDING ANY CONSTRUCTION OF ROADS OTHER THAN THE INTERSECTION PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FINISH UP.
SO IS THAT, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
AND SO THEN WOULD SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THEN GO TO EDC THEN? UM, SO THE EDC PIECE THAT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS THIS.
ONE, ONE IS THE EDC COULD HELP FUND PROJECTS IF THEY ARE FOR ECONOMIC BENEFIT.
BUT WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON RIGHT NOW IS NOT THE EDC NECESSARILY FUNDING PROJECTS, BUT JUST USING THE EDC TO TRY TO HAVE A MORE ROBUST CONTRACT MECHANISM.
SO SHOULD SOME OF THESE PROJECTS BE LIKE, PROBABLY MARKED AS POTENTIAL EDC? WELL, SOME OF THESE PROJECTS SHOULD BE MARKED AS EDC PROJECTS AND THEY SHOULD ALSO BE LOOKED AT FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT TURS PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
AND ONE, ONE THING TO BE REAL CAUTIOUS ABOUT, UM, AND I'VE BROUGHT THIS UP INTS MEETINGS, IS IF IT'S NOT ON THE CIP LIST AND SOMEONE COMES IN AND DEVELOPS BECAUSE WE DID THIS, WE CAN'T COLLECT IF IT'S NOT ON A CIP LIST MM-HMM
SO WE'VE GOTTA BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WE PUSH OFF TO AS A PURELY EDC PROJECT IF IT'S NOT ON THE CIP LIST, BECAUSE THEN WE WILL NEVER GET REIMBURSED FOR IT.
WELL, I KNOW IT, IT'S JUST, JUST TO MARKET AS A POTENTIAL.
IT'S JUST WE, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CONSIDER.
AND, AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY WITH THE ROADS, KIND OF GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, YES, THE ROADS MAY BE THE PRIORITY IN 2026, BUT WE STILL NEED TO PUT A BUILDING IN TO THE CIP FOR, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WORKS.
WE'RE GONNA DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY IN 27.
I'M JUST THROWING NUMBERS HERE.
AND, AND THEN CONSTRUCTION IN 29 OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
BUT TO YOUR POINT TOO, ON THE FUNDING, IT'S MM-HMM
THEN IT GOES BACK TO CAN WE ACTUALLY ISSUE THAT AMOUNT OF DEBT? BUT THAT SHOULD BE OUR FOCUS FOR THE 27 LOOK.
BECAUSE WE COULD, WE COULD HAVE A NEW COUNCIL IN COME JUNE OF 26 THAT SAYS WE'RE DOING A 50% INCREASE ON PROPERTY TAXES AND NOW WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FUNDING.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S SMART TO HAVE THE GUARDRAILS IN PLACE FOR 27.
I'M PUTTING ROADS KIND OF AT THE TOP OF THAT.
BUT MATT'S ALSO GONNA BE, HEY, WE GOTTA FINISH UP, YOU KNOW, THE WASTEWATER, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
OKAY, WELL THAT'S A BIG CHUNK OF THAT $20 MILLION.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT AND DOING REAL DEEP DIVES ON OVER THE NEXT PROBABLY FOUR MONTHS
AND WE CAN'T TAKE FOUR MONTHS THIS TIME.
CAN, CAN I ASK SOMETHING THAT'S PROBABLY OFF TOPIC WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WASTEWATER WATER CAPACITY, IS THE GROWTH PERCENTAGE IS, ARE THOSE PROJECTIONS LIKE TWO OR THREE YEARS OLD? OR ARE WE REFRESHING THOSE EVERY YEAR? SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A LOADED QUESTION.
SO THEY ARE THREE YEARS OLD NOW.
'CAUSE THE MASTER PLAN WAS APPROVED IN DECEMBER OF 22 BEFORE I GOT TO THE CITY.
UM, BUT WHEN I'M LOOKING AT CAPACITY ISSUES, I DON'T LOOK AT THE MASTER PLANS.
I LOOK AT OUR MODELS THAT WE RUN EVERY TIME A NEW DEVELOPER COMES IN AND SAYS, I WANT TO BUILD PROJECT X OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE OF THE CITY, OR I WANNA BUILD PROJECT Y ON THAT SIDE OF THE CITY.
AND SO WE RUN ALL OF THOSE NUMBERS AS PART OF THE SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST PROCESS.
AND THEN I'M CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT, AND WE TELL THE DEVELOPERS,
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THIS IS HOW MUCH CAPACITY WE HAVE FOR YOU.YOU CANNOT BUILD YOUR PROJECT UNTIL 2030 WHEN THIS OTHER PROJECT HAS BEEN BUILT.
AND SO WE ARE TELLING DEVELOPERS RIGHT NOW THAT THEY CAN'T COME IN UNTIL WE HAVE ANOTHER EXPANSION OF THE SOUTH WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, OR WE HAVE ANOTHER EXPANSION OF THE CENTRAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, OR WE HAVE SOME OTHER WATER TOWER INSTALLED OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT NOW EVERY DAY WITH THESE DEVELOPERS.
AND SO WHEN, WHEN I PUT MY RECOMMENDATIONS TOGETHER FOR THE CIP BASED ON WATER AND WASTEWATER MM-HMM
I'M LOOKING AT THE MASTER PLAN.
'CAUSE I HAVE TO, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY YOU GUYS ADOPTED IT.
BUT I ALSO LOOK AT THE DAILY NUMBERS THAT I'M SEEING IN THE MODELS.
AND THEN I USE THAT TO SAY, WELL, IN THE MASTER PLAN, LET ME JUST GIVE YOU FOR, LET ME JUST MAKE SOMETHING UP IN THE MASTER PLAN.
THERE WAS A WASTEWATER LINE ALONG CARL STERN THAT YOU WERE GONNA GO BUILD AND YOU WERE GONNA DO THAT IN 2030.
BUT I'M SEEING A LOT OF GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT ALONG CARL STERN.
SO I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT YOU GUYS GO DO THAT IN 2027 MM-HMM
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW, WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND I SAY, NO, YOU HAVE TO GO DO THIS ONE IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEING COMING AT US FROM ALL OF THE MODELS THAT WE'RE RUNNING, FROM ALL THE DEVELOPERS COMING TO US SAYING, I WANNA BUILD THIS.
I WANNA, I WANNA GO BUILD ANOTHER 1000 HOME SUBDIVISION.
WE'RE PUTTING IT INTO OUR MODELS.
WE'RE RUNNING THE NUMBERS, WE'RE CRUNCHING EVERYTHING DOWN, AND WE'RE GOING, THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA HAVE TO HAPPEN IN ORDER FOR THAT PROJECT TO ACTUALLY LAND.
SO KIND, WE ARE DOING THE MA THE MASTER PLANS FOR WATER WASTEWATER, BUT YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT ESSENTIALLY LIVE DATA.
SO I USED THE WATER MASTER PLAN AND THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN, THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN TO CREATE THE ORIGINAL LIST OF PROJECTS.
THAT'S HOW I CREATE, THAT'S WHERE I STARTED FROM.
SO THAT WAS PART OF THE, THE CHANGE THAT CITY COUNCIL DID WAS THEY DIDN'T LIKE ME GETTING RID OF ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAD PUT IN THERE BECAUSE I, WE ADOPTED NEW MASTER PLAN.
SO I BASICALLY DID A WHOLESALE SWAP OUT OF THE OLD MASTER PLAN PROJECTS FOR THE NEW MASTER PLAN PROJECTS.
SO THAT WAS PART OF THE CHANGE THEY DIDN'T LIKE.
THE OTHER THING THAT I DID WAS I SAID, OKAY, THE MASTER PLAN SAID WE NEED TO DO THIS WASTEWATER LINE IN 27, BUT I'M SEEING A NEED FOR IT IN 26.
OR THIS ONE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN 26, BUT THERE'S NOTHING REALLY HAPPENING THERE.
SO I THINK WE CAN PUSH THAT ONE OUT AND THEN, AND THEN I LOOK AT THE SYSTEM AND GO, OKAY, WELL IF I PUSH THAT ONE OUT, WHAT HAPPENS IS A RIPPLE EFFECT FROM THERE.
AND SO THEN I SIT DOWN AS PART OF THESE PRESENTATIONS AND I TELL YOU GUYS ALL THAT INFORMATION, LIKE, OKAY, WELL IF YOU PUSH THAT ONE OUT, THEN YOU HAVE TO PUSH THIS ONE OUT.
AND SO THEN THIS IS WHAT YOUR NEW PLAN LOOKS LIKE, AND THIS IS HOW THE MONEY ALL PLAYS OUT AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO I, I DO LIKE LIVE SPREADSHEET UPDATES FOR YOU GUYS EVERY TIME WE MEET SO THAT YOU CAN SEE ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE DONE.
HERE'S THE RIPPLE EFFECT THAT IT HAS DOWNSTREAM AS YOU GO THROUGH ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WERE IN THE MASTER PLANS.
AND THEN IF THERE ARE ANY NEW PROJECTS THAT CAME UP THAT WERE NOT IN THE MASTER PLANS, I MAKE SURE THAT I ADD THOSE IN.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE PROJECTS WE ADDED LAST YEAR, WHICH CITY COUNCIL DIDN'T WANT TO FUND WAS THERE'S NOTHING IN THE MA WATER MASTER PLAN THAT SAYS WE NEED A SECONDARY WATERLINE COMING FROM OUR WATER WELLS INTO TOWN.
I'M SO GLAD YOU'RE TELLING THIS STORY.
AND SO I TOOK IT UPON MYSELF TO SAY, AS YOUR CITY ENGINEER, THAT IS A HUGE RISK FOR THIS CITY TO TAKE TO ONLY HAVE ONE DRAW POINT FROM YOUR WELLS ALL THE WAY INTO TOWN.
YOU'RE TALKING 27 MILES OF 16 INCH PIPELINE THROUGH FARMLAND, CREEKS, EVERYTHING.
AND WE'RE GETTING READY TO PUSH IT TO ITS MAXIMUM LIMIT.
AND MY JOB AS AN ENGINEER IS TO HELP THIS CITY MINIMIZE OR MITIGATE ITS RISKS.
SO I SAID, I'M GONNA RECOMMEND THAT WE ADD A PROJECT TO THE CIP LIST TO ADD A SECONDARY LINE FROM SHILOH ALL THE WAY TO HU THE P AND Z AGREED WITH MY ANALYSIS.
AND SO WE ADDED IT AND IT CAME INTO SOME RIDICULOUS NUMBER OF COSTS.
IT WAS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, $70 MILLION OR SOMETHING CRAZY.
BUT WE ADDED IT AND MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
OBVIOUSLY CITY COUNCIL DIDN'T VOTE TO FUND THAT BECAUSE THERE IS NO $70 MILLION LAYING AROUND SOMEWHERE TO ADD TO THE UTILITY FUND.
BUT THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, HOW I PLAY THIS, THIS CIP THING IN MY HEAD IS I'M LIKE, OKAY, HERE'S THE MASTER PLANS THAT EVERYBODY GAVE UP.
HERE'S THE, THAT YOU GUYS ADOPTED AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED.
AND SO THAT'S A SNAPSHOT OF TIME.
BECAUSE THAT SNAPSHOT WAS TAKEN IN DECEMBER OF 2022.
A LOT OF STUFF HAS CHANGED SINCE DECEMBER OF 2022.
AND SO MY JOB IS TO HELP YOU GUYS KEEP UP WITH ALL THE CHANGES THAT ARE HAPPENING EVERY SINGLE DAY
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SO THAT YOU CAN GIVE YOUR BEST RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL SO THAT THEN THEY CAN TAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER CONSTRAINTS THAT THEY HAVE TO MAKE WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS THE BEST DECISION.HEY MATT, SIR, TELL 'EM WHY, TELL 'EM WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE LOSE THE WATER LINE.
OH, I MEAN, I'M, WELL, I'M WELL AWARE WE'RE THAT'S THE MAIN WATER LINE.
IT IS JUST $70 MILLION IS NOT SOMETHING WE JUST HAVE SITTING AROUND LIKE MATT SAID, BUT I JUST NO, BUT A CITY HAS A RESPONSIBILITY FOR, TO PROVIDE.
BUT AGAIN, $70 MILLION, THAT'S A LOT YOU COULD DO THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND OKAY.
THERE'S A LOT YOU COULD DO WITHIN THE CITY, BUT YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING IF YOU DON'T HAVE WATER.
IT AGAIN, YOU GOTTA MAKE A CHOICE.
I JUST, OR DO YOU WANT OTHER THINGS? YEP.
DO YOU WANT WATER OR DO YOU WANT A, A LIBRARY? I WANT WATER.
I WANT TO DRINK FOUNTAIN AT THE, AT THE LIBRARY.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHY I THINK THE GUARDRAILS ARE IMPORTANT.
FOR THE 20, FOR LOOKING AT THE 27 BUDGET.
BUT THEN BEYOND THAT, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SELL TO COUNCIL.
YOU KNOW, LOOK, I KNOW $70 MILLION IS A TOUGH ASK, BUT WE NEED TO START THIS IN 28 AND GET IT FINISHED BY 2030 BECAUSE THIS PROJECT IS COMING DOWN THE ROAD OR THIS PROJECT IS COMING DOWN THE ROAD.
OR YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN OPERATING WITHOUT A SAFETY NET FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS.
AND I, YOU, I'M WELL VERSED ON THE WATER MASTER PLANT.
IT'S JUST, AGAIN, WE GO BACK TO YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE'S A LOT.
I, I'M JUST SAYING IF WE HAD, I WANTED TO SEE IF WE HAD REAL NUMBERS.
'CAUSE I, I LIKE AT, YOU KNOW, I GET THAT WE USE IT, THE MASTER PLAN AS A GUIDANCE, BUT IF WE HAD REAL TIME NUMBERS, THEN I CAN, WE CAN USE THAT RIGHT.
CITY COUNCIL AND, AND I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE OR NOT, BUT, WELL, I MEAN, SO WE, I CAN TELL YOU, WE, WE RUN, UM, THE PLANNING TEAM, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TEAM, THEY RUN THE NUMBERS EVERY MONTH FOR HOW MANY PERMITS HAVE COME IN, HOW MANY NEW RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ARE COMING IN, ALL THAT KIND.
SO WE CAN SHARE THAT NUM THOSE NUMBERS WITH YOU GUYS.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE MONTH BY MONTH GROWTH THAT WE'RE STILL EXPERIENCING.
AND I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S SPEEDING UP, SLOWING DOWN, IT'S WHATEVER.
UM, WE CAN SHARE ALL THAT WITH YOU.
BUT THE WHAT'S IN THE MASTER PLAN HAS NOT CHANGED.
THAT IS STILL THE, WHAT THE MASTER PLANS WERE CREATED ON.
AND ALTHOUGH WE'VE TALKED TO CITY COUNCIL MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THOSE WERE THE RIGHT NUMBERS OR NOT, I HAVEN'T CHANGED THE MASTER PLAN.
AND I'M NOT USING THOSE NUMBERS TO MAKE MY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THIS BODY.
I WAS JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE AS WE GET CLOSER OR FARTHER AWAY FROM 20, 22, 23 THAT WE MAKE, WE HAVE MORE DATA AVAILABLE WHEN WE MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
I, I ASKED FOR MONEY LAST YEAR IN THE BUDGET TO UPDATE THE WATER MASTER PLAN AND THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN BECAUSE SO MUCH HAS CHANGED IN THE ALMOST THREE YEARS THAT HAD HAD PASSED AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDS FOR IT.
SO, UM, IN FY 27, I WILL ASK AGAIN.
'CAUSE AT THAT POINT THEY'LL BE ALMOST FOUR YEARS OLD AND YOU HAVE TO UPDATE 'EM IN YEAR FIVE ANYWAY.
SO WORST CASE SCENARIO, THEY'LL GET UPDATED IN 28.
AND SO, BUT AT THAT POINT, YOU'VE WAITED A FULL FIVE YEARS TO UPDATE YOUR MASTER PLAN AND YOU'VE HAD FIVE YEARS OF GROWTH WHERE YOU'RE THE 13TH FASTEST GROWING CITY IN THE NATION.
SO, BUT I MEAN, I, I, I, BELIEVE ME, I UNDERSTAND ALL, ALL THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS.
I UNDERSTAND THE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS THAT WE'RE UNDER.
I UNDERSTAND THE PINCH POINTS IN ALL OF OUR SYSTEMS. YES.
TRANSPORTATION IS A PINCH POINT.
BUT WHAT I'VE OFTEN TOLD PEOPLE IS IF YOU NEGLECT YOUR WATER AND WASTEWATER, I PROMISE YOU, WHEN ONE OF THOSE SYSTEMS FAILS, NOBODY'S GONNA CARE ABOUT ROADS.
THE ONLY REASON THEY CARE ABOUT ROADS RIGHT NOW IS 'CAUSE THE WATER AND WASTEWATER SEEMS TO BE WORKING FINE.
I MEAN, THEY CARE ABOUT WATER 'CAUSE OH, YEAH.
BUT, BUT WHEN THE WATER SHUTS OFF, I GUARANTEE YOU THEY CARE A LOT MORE.
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THAT MAIN BROKE, EVERYONE WENT, WHERE'S THE WATER? YEAH.AND I, I THINK, I THINK YOU'VE KIND OF GOT WHAT, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE KIND OF ADDED INTO THIS WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, REALLY START DIGGING IN COME, UH, COME JANUARY.
BUT CAN YOU GUYS THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE THAT, WELL, ONE THING TOO WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD BE TAKING A LOOK AT ON THIS.
WELL, ONE THING TOO IS I THINK THERE'S ALSO, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UM, THERE WILL BE AN EMPHASIS ON LOOKING AT WASTEWATER AND WA WATER RATES NOT BEING INCREASED BASED OFF THE CITY COUNCIL GUIDANCE.
IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THERE'S GOING, I, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE, I MEAN, WHAT THE DIRECTION WE WERE GIVEN BY CITY COUNCIL IS THAT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH WAYS TO NOT HAVE TO INCREASE THOSE UTILITY RATES ANYMORE.
AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE WATER AND WASTEWATER PROJECTS, WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE THAT IN MIND ABOUT HOW ARE WE FUNDING THESE THINGS WITHOUT, AND THAT'LL BE PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAVE WITH FINANCE.
SO I CAN BRING, BRING BACK THOSE, THOSE GUARDRAILS FOR YOU GUYS IS TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS HOW MUCH YOU CAN ISSUE DEBT ON YOUR UTILITY FUND WITHOUT HAVING TO GO BACK TO THE RATE PAYERS AGAIN AND ASK FOR ANOTHER RATE INCREASE.
AND THAT WAY YOU'LL KNOW, YOU KNOW, OH, WE CAN SPEND $50 MILLION AND NOT HAVE TO ASK FOR A PENNY MORE.
OR HOW MUCH IS THERE AMOUNT THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH IMPACT FEES FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT BEING BUILT? I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN PULL THOSE NUMBERS AND TELL YOU ON AVERAGE HOW MUCH WE'RE GETTING IN IMPACT FEES, BUT POSSIBLE TO COMPARE IT TO OTHER CITIES TO SEE IF WE'RE CHARGING ENOUGH
UM, SO WE ACTUALLY, WE ACTUALLY DID THAT WHEN WE ADOPTED THE IMPACT FEES.
BUT WE CAN GET YOU ALL THAT INFORMATION AS WELL.
UH, I WAS, I WAS GONNA ASK, ARE WE DOING ANOTHER ROUND OF, UH, IMPACT FEE LOOKS, UH, 'CAUSE TYPICALLY THEY OCCUR NOVEMBER DECEMBER TIMEFRAME.
UM, AND I, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN LOOKS EVERY OTHER YEAR WHERE WE LOOK AT THE, UH, THE IMPACT FEES AND MAKE RECOMMENDATION, IS THAT GOING TO GO DOWN NEXT, NEXT YEAR THIS TIME? SO WE JUST ADOPTED ALL OF OUR IMPACT FEES IN 24 MM-HMM
UM, SO TECHNICALLY WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THEM.
WELL, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO THEM AGAIN UNTIL 29.
UM, SO, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO WAIT FIVE YEARS.
UM, AT THIS POINT, WE HAVEN'T HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHEN WE'RE GONNA DO IT AGAIN AT THOSE DURING THIS CIP CYCLE.
UM, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE WATER WASTEWATER AND THE RATES, IF WE ARE LOOKING AT A MASSIVE PROJECT IN THE COMING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR, WE COULD SAY WITH FINANCE'S HELP, WE COULD SAY, LOOK, WE JUST CAN'T DO THIS WITHOUT PASSING IT OFF TO THE, THE RATE PAYERS.
AT THAT POINT, IF THAT IS THE CASE, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT WILL BE, WOULD FINANCE BE ABLE TO THEN KIND OF PIVOT AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF TAX INCREASE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE.
BECAUSE I PERSONALLY, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ME.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE 65 AND OLDERS, THE DISABLED VETERANS, I'M ONE OF 'EM.
UM, AND THE, YOU KNOW, UH, SURVIVING SPOUSES, THEY ALL GET BREAKS ON THEIR PROPERTY TAXES.
SO A WATER RATE INCREASE THAT'S PUT ON THE PROPERTY TAXES DOESN'T HIT THEM.
THEY'RE ON FIXED INCOMES, IT DOESN'T HIT THEM.
BUT A WATER RATE, THERE IS NONE OF THAT PROTECTION.
IF YOU RAISE THE WATER RATES, YOU GOTTA PAY IT OR YOUR WATER SHUT OFF.
SO AGAIN, WHAT I WOULD, I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT OF FINANCIAL AMMUNITION.
IF WE'VE GOT A BIG PROJECT WHERE, HEY, WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO TAP THE WATER RATES, DO YOU THINK FINANCE COULD THEN GO, OKAY, TAP THE FINANCE, UH, TAP THE WATER RATE FOR 10 CENTS, OR THAT'S GONNA BE,
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UH, 2 CENT INCREASE ON PROPERTY TAXES? BECAUSE I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT KIND OF AMMUNITION TO GO IN FRONT OF COUNCIL AND SAY, LOOK,I MEAN, I THINK FINANCE COULD PROBABLY EASILY RUN THOSE NUMBERS.
UM, AND SO ONCE WE GET A LITTLE FURTHER INTO THIS, THEN I CAN ASK ALBERTA, WHO'S OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR TO COME IN AND, AND YOU GUYS CAN OKAY.
SHOWER HER WITH ALL YOUR FINANCIAL QUESTIONS.
I PERSONALLY WOULD APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I WANT, OH GOD, I WANT TO HAVE THAT OPTION.
I THINK THAT COULD BE A SELLING POINT, SO TO SPEAK TO COUNSEL.
SHE LOVES IT WHEN I DO THINGS CIP, SO I'M SURE SHE'D BE GLAD TO COME AND TALK TO YOU.
I MEAN, I, THAT WOULD HELP, BUT I THINK IT, IT NEEDS TO BE, THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN OR RIGHT.
PEOPLE ARE LOSING WATER TYPE THING.
AND, AND THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
WE, WE REALLY CAN'T PUSH THIS DOWN THE ROAD.
IT'S GONNA BE A 10 CENT RATE INCREASE OR A 2 CENT PROPERTY TAX INCREASE.
WELL, 'CAUSE THEN IF WE, IF WE'RE ABLE TO PRESENT THAT TO COUNCIL, THEN WE WE'RE GIVING THEM AN OPTION.
AT LEAST WE'RE TAKING AWAY THE DO IT OR NOT DO IT OPTION.
BUT WE ARE GIVING 'EM, THIS IS HOW YOU COULD PAY FOR IT.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, IF IT'S IN 2027, IF IT'S IN 20, 28, 29, 30, 31, YEAH.
THEY DON'T CARE, THEN WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
SO I'M PROBABLY ONLY ASKING FOR TWO OR THREE.
ANYTHING ELSE? WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN TODAY ON THIS? NOTHING, UH, DISCUSSION.
POSSIBLE ACTION TO CITY COUNCIL? UM, I DON'T THINK WE'RE ASKING ANYTHING OF CITY COUNCIL.
I THINK WE JUST NEED TO TELL CITY COUNCIL WE JUST NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION, WHICH WE NEED MORE.
MATT'S GONNA GET MATT'S WE NEED MORE MONEY.
THAT'S WHAT WE, AND THEN WE CAN PROCEED.
UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T THINK I CAN ASK FOR THAT.
SO WE WANT, SO WE WANT, WHAT IS IT? WHAT DID WE ALL WANT? FORGET.
SO YOU'VE ASKED FOR THE CITIZEN SURVEY.
YOU'VE ASKED FOR WHAT CITY COUNCIL ACTUALLY ADOPTED IN YOUR CIP YOU'VE ASKED FOR THE PARKS.
CIP YOU'VE ASKED FOR, UM, THE ACTUAL GROWTH RATES THAT WE'RE SEEING PERMITS, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
YOU'VE ASKED FOR FINANCE TO BE ABLE TO COME AND TALK TO YOU.
YOU'VE ASKED FOR THE FINANCIAL GUARDRAILS ON HOW MUCH DEBT YOU, WE THINK THEY WILL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO ISSUE ASSUMING A NO NEW REVENUE PACKAGE IS REQUIRED AGAIN.
AND SO I THINK THAT COVERS EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ASKED FOR.
LET ME KNOW IF I MISSED ANYTHING.
WAS THAT A MOTION? I GUESS? UM, NO MOTION.
THERE'S, I THINK IT'S JUST MORE DIRECTION TO STAFF.
IT'S NO MOTION NECESSARY ON THIS ONE.
ALRIGHT, WELL THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO, EXCUSE ME.
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR REPORT.
AM I GIVING THIS REPORT? YEAH.
YOU DIDN'T TELL ME I WAS GIVING A REPORT.
I'M NOT REPORTING ON, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING I DON'T THINK.
UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NOT TRACKING.
SO OBVIOUSLY ASHLEY IS NO LONGER WITH US.
UM, AND UH, I GUESS I CAN SPILL THE BEANS NOW.
UM, JOHN HAS DECIDED HE WILL BE DEPARTING THE CITY OF HU AS WELL.
AND SO WE ARE UM, THIS, THIS IS YOUR DEVELOPING TEAM RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS YOUR PLANNING TEAM RIGHT HERE,
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I AM CURRENTLY ACTING AS YOUR CITY ENGINEER, YOUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR.AND NOW I AM YOUR SENIOR PLANNER, RIGHT.
WHAT WAS THE PLANNING MANAGER? YEAH.
SO I'M WEARING THOSE THREE HATS PLUS YOUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO, UM, SO YOU DO NEED A RAISE
UM, SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY OTHER REPORT THAT I'VE PREPARED FOR YOU.
UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GETTING READY TO RAMP THINGS UP ON THE CIP.
SO THAT'LL BE A, A FUN CONVERSATION.
TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, I DO HAVE A, UH, I DON'T KNOW, COMMENT QUESTION.
UM, TYPICALLY THERE'S A YEAR END REPORT FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, AND IT'S VERY MUCH RELATED TO WHAT PLANNING AND ZONING DID.
UM, ASHLEY TYPICALLY PUT THAT TOGETHER, UH, ON A FEW YEARS.
SHE WOULD ASK FOR INPUT FROM ME AS CHAIR.
SO IF YOU NEED ASSISTANCE, YOU KNOW, WITH ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I, I GUESS I'M SAYING I'M AVAILABLE.
IF YOU NEED ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE WILL, WHAT DID WE HAVE? WHAT DID WE DO LAST YEAR? YEAH, WE'LL GO PULL UP THE ONE THAT SHE DID LAST YEAR AND SEE IF WE CAN REPLICATE IT.
OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T PRESENT IT TO YOU BEFORE THE END OF DECEMBER, BUT, WELL, IT WAS, IT WASN'T PRESENTED TO US.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S STILL A REQUIREMENT.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE IF, UH, JAMES HAS SAID NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT GIVEN ALL THE, ALL THE CHURN THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE DEPARTMENT.
I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU NEED IT AND IF YOU NEED MY SUPPORT, LET ME KNOW.
I, I, I JUST WENT THROUGH AND ORGANIZED THE LAST EIGHT YEARS OF P AND Z PACKETS.
HEY MATT, YOU COULD PER SOME OF THOSE NOW ON, ON THE CIP THING.
ARE, ARE WE JUST GONNA DO IT IN OUR MEETINGS OR, OR ARE YOU THINKING OF HAVING SPECIAL MEETINGS LIKE WE DID WITH THE OTHER ONE? UM, I WAS ARE WE, ARE WE UNDER A BIG TIMEFRAME, UH, TIMEFRAME OR SOMETHING? WE ARE STARTING EARLIER THAN WE STARTED LAST YEAR, BUT EVERYTHING IN OUR BUDGET CYCLE HAS BEEN PUSHED UP BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE OUR BUDGET MORE ROBUST AND MORE INFORMATIVE AND MORE TRANSPARENT EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
SO, UH, WE ARE UNDER SOMEWHAT OF A TIME CRUNCH, BUT, UM, AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE ARE STARTING THESE CONVERSATIONS, I CHECKED WITH THE PARKS DIRECTOR, THE PARKS TEAM IS STARTING THESE CONVERSATIONS.
SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE US NEEDING TO FINALIZE THINGS UNTIL PROBABLY MARCH, WHICH IS WHEN WE STARTED LAST YEAR
SO, UM, IT WOULD BE FOUR MEETINGS IF YOU GUYS WOULD PREFER TO HAVE IT NOT ALL PILED IN WITH ALL THE REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT HAVING SOME SPECIAL CALL MEETINGS.
THAT JUST MEANS THAT WE HAVE MORE MEETINGS AND THEY DON'T LAST AS LONG.
UM, BUT THAT'S YOUR GUYS' CALL IF, IF YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
I PERSONALLY, I PERSONALLY LIKE WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR.
I I, I DID LIKE THOSE MEETINGS.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE IT DID, WE WEREN'T HERE UNTIL ONE O'CLOCK, TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
AND KIND OF TO THAT POINT, WE, IT SEEMED LIKE EACH OF THOSE MEETINGS WE'RE TACKLING ONE ASPECT.
HERE'S RIGHT, HERE'S THE TRANSPORTATION ASPECT.
OUR MIND FOR THIS MEETING IS ON TRANSPORTATION.
WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT THE WASTEWATER WATER, ET CETERA.
SO I I DEFINITELY WOULD AGREE THAT I LIKED HOW WE BROKE IT OUT LAST YEAR.
WHERE WE COULD FOCUS ON ONE ASPECT OF THE CI DO EITHER ONE OF Y'ALL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MEETING LIKE THAT? NO.
SO THEN, SO THEN WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT WE START IN JANUARY WITH LIKE BROKEN UP MEETINGS WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR REGULAR MEETING, BUT THEN YOU'D HAVE A SPECIAL CALL OR TWO YEAH.
TO WORK THROUGH DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE CIP AND THEN DO YOU WANT IT LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR WHERE WE TAKE YOU THROUGH TRANSPORTATION ONE NIGHT, PARKS ONE NIGHT, RIGHT.
WATER, ONE NIGHT DRAINAGE, ONE NIGHT WASTEWATER, AND THEN COME BACK AND BRING IT ALL TOGETHER AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
NOW YOU'VE GOT A, NOW YOU'VE ASKED FOR $700 MILLION.
NOW FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIT THAT IN A $20 MILLION BUDGET.
ARE WE GONNA SO MUCH EASIER TO COMPREHEND IT OFF? YEAH.
BY, BY BREAKING IT UP LIKE THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT WE'VE GOT THREE PEOPLE.
NEW, NEW ONE, NEW PEOPLE, NOT THREE PEOPLE WHO DID IT LAST YEAR.
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YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, YOU GOT FOUR NEW, I I WOULD PREFER FOR THE, THE FOUR NEW MEMBERS NOT TRYING TO EAT THE ELEPHANT IN ONE BITE.ARE WE GONNA DO JOINT SESSIONS TOO WITH OTHER, UH, MAYBE, MAYBE WE NEED MAYBE NEED TO SCHEDULE ONE WITH PARKS.
AND THAT WAS GONNA BE THE OTHER ASK.
UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE ALL BOARDS MEETING, NOT LAST YEAR, BUT THE YEAR BEFORE WAS GETTING EVERYBODY IN ON THE CIP UH, GETTING LIBRARY AND ON THE GETTING HBC AND GETTING, UH, EVEN EVEN DEII SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU GUYS SHOULD PROBABLY BE THERE FOR THE LAST ONE.
SO ONCE WE GET OUR, OUR SCHEDULE OF OKAY, HERE'S WHAT, HERE'S WHAT PIECE OF THE ELEPHANT WE'RE EATING, I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL NEEDS TO AUTHORIZE THIS OR NOT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE LIBRARY, THAT THEY'RE PRESENT AND CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THE CONVERSATION.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY PARKS WILL BE THERE FOR PARKS, BUT IF WE START TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING DOWNTOWN, I THINK HPC SHOULD BE HERE TO CONTRIBUTE.
AND WHEN WE WRAP IT ALL UP, I, I DEFINITELY WANT DEIB TO BE THERE AND SAY, HEY GUYS, YOU MISSED THIS, OR NO, YOUR STUFF LOOKS GOOD.
YOU KNOW, I KIND OF WANT THEIR BLESSING ON IT, IF YOU WILL.
THAT'S, THAT'S WE CAN SEE YEAH.
ONCE WE GET THE SCHEDULE, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S INVITE 'EM.
I I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HPC AT ONE OF THEM.
HPC WHAT, WHAT WOULD DIP CAN YOU BE, CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? SO, SO IF, LET'S, LET'S JUST SAY WE LOOKED AT A BUNCH OF, UH, PARKS IN THE CIP MM-HMM
DEIB MAY COME IN AND SAY, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THE ALL ABILITIES PARK? YOU KNOW, OR WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING SOMETHING WITH HPC.
WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT SOME SORT OF PROJECTS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
HAVING DEIB GO, HEY WHAT ABOUT THIS? OR OH, YOU INCLUDED THAT GOOD JOB.
JUST SO THAT THEY CAN SEE THAT NUMBER ONE, THEY'RE PART OF THE PROCESS AND NUMBER TWO, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT CARE.
WELL, NUMBER TWO, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT CARE.
I GUESS NUMBER THREE THEN IS THEY ARE NOT ONLY PART OF THE PROCESS, BUT THEY'RE ALSO ANOTHER SAFETY NET SO WE'RE NOT FORGETTING SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW, UM, I I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY CIP VETERAN PROJECTS DO WE? NO.
THE VETERAN'S MEMORIAL WAS THE ONLY ONE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE.
SO, UM, IF, IF WE THROW ANOTHER VETERAN PARK PROJECT THING INTO THE CIP, IF PARKS THROWS THAT IN, THEN WE MIGHT WANT TO HAVE AMERICAN LEGION PRESENT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF ON PARKS.
YOU KNOW, IF THEY'VE GOT AMERICAN LEGION PRESENT IN THEIR, IN THEIR CIP CONSIDERATION, THEY REALLY DON'T NEED TO SHOW UP FOR OURS.
PLUS THERE'S A COUPLE OF VETERANS UP HERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF OLD PEOPLE UP HERE TOO.
SOMEBODY THOUGHT I WAS 30 SOMETHING THE OTHER DAY.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE FOR, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR REPORT? NO, SIR.
WELL WITH THAT BEING SAID AND IT BEING 9 0 5, LET US ADJOURN THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THE LAST ONE OF THE YEAR.