[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]
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>>> 7:00. WE CALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR DECEMBER 18TH, 2025 TO ORDER.
>> NEXT WE'LL BE LED TONIGHT IN THE INVOCATION BY MR. ARTHUR SPENCE OF LITTLE EBENEZER BAPTIST CHURCH.
DEAR FATHER IN HEAVEN, WE THANK YOU, D, FOR YOUR LOVE AND KINDNESS, GRACE AND MERCY.
IN THIS MEETING WE ASK THAT YOU BLESS EVERY HOUSEHOLD.
LET IT BE THE MEETING THAT YOU NEED IT TO BE.
BLESS ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR.
LET'S LEAVE THIS PLACE WITH YOUR PROTECTION AROUND US AND GET TO YOUR DESTINATION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOVE AND PEACE.
PLEDGE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE STATE OF TEXAS --
[6. PUBLIC COMMENT]
>> NEXT, WE HAVE CITY MANAGER COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT.
ONTO ITEM SIX, PUBLIC COMMENT. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THE LIGHT WILL START OFF GREEN.
WHEN THERE'S 30 SECONDS LEFT, IT'LL GO TO YELLOW.
RED, IT'S OVER. FIRST UP WE HAVE MIKE FOWLER.
>> MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I'D BE VERY BRIEF.
ALL I WANTED TO MENTION TODAY IS BASICALLY A SAFETY ISSUE AS IT AFFECTS PRETTY MUCH ALL OF OLD TOWN. I WALK MY CHILDREN'S DOGS REGULARLY. AS OF LATE, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF NEAR MISSES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DRIVING WAY TOO FAST ON THE STREETS IN OLD TOWN, NOT NECESSARILY JUST LIVE OAK, BUT E STREET, FARLEY, DIFFERENT AREAS. AND IT'S GETTING PRETTY DANGEROUS. I MEAN, I LITERALLY ONE TIME -- I HAD TO STEP INTO THE DITCHES WITH THE DOGS TO KEEP FROM BEING HIT.
AND I THINK PEOPLE, PEDESTRIANS, PETS, CHILDREN NEED TO COME FIRST IN REGARD TO SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE A 30-MILE-AN- HOUR SPEED LIMIT WITHIN OLD TOWN. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE USED TO HAVE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL IN EFFECT. BUT IT ABSOLUTELY IS NOT BEING SOMETHING THAT'S MONITORED ON A REGULAR BASIS.
PEOPLE FLY THROUGH OLD TOWN AS A SHORTCUT.
AND QUITE OFTEN IT 'S FROM THE CO- OP OR JUST A WAY OF NAVIGATING THROUGH THE CITY AT A FASTER PACE.
AND I DON'T WANT TO BE HURT. I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO BE HURT. AND JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
[7.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, and Area Government appointments. ]
NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 7- 1 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS, REAPPOINTMENTS AND/OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS AND AREA GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS.
>> SO, MAYOR, THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE DID ONE INTERVIEW THIS PAST WEEK.
WE DID -- WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OPENINGS ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, SO WE INTERVIEWED A CANDIDATE. WE'D LIKE TO PUT HER NAME FORTH AS OUR NOMINEE, CHRISTINE BENSON, TO SERVE ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
>> MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON, SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON APPOINTING CHRISTINE BENSON TO THE HBC.
>> SHE'S HERE TONIGHT. SHE CAME. SHE WAS EXCITED TO COME. SHE'S A RECENT GRADUATE OF THE HUTTO -- WHAT DO WE CALL IT? THE CITIZEN'S UNIVERSITY.
YEP, JUST GRADUATED FROM THAT.
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>> ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.
[7.2. Consideration and possible action regarding recommendations or updates from City Council sub-committees (i.e. HISD, Public Safety, Co-Op). ]
>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR 7.1? 7. 2, CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RECOMMENDATIONS OR UPDATES FROM CITY COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEES. HISD MEETS FRIDAY. PUBLIC SAFETY, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANOTHER ONE -- THE CO- OP I THINK WE'RE STILL WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THE CO- OP GUYS.
WE SHOULD PROBABLY REACH OUT TO THEM.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE HAD THAT MEETING.
[8.1. Hutto Chamber of Commerce Update Presentation (Joe Gonzalez) ]
>> ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP, ITEM 8. 1 HUTTO CHAMBER OF COMMERCE UPDATE PRESENTATION.
WE HAVE A NEW THING WE'RE TRYING TO START, JUST SO YOU KNOW. WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP OUR PRESENTATIONS TO 15 MINUTES. YOU'LL SEE A LIGHT START AT GREEN AT 15. WHEN THERE'S TWO MINUTES LEFT, IT WILL GO YELLOW. AND THEN RED, THAT'S 15 MINUTES.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY DON'T JUST STOP TALKING BUT --
>> I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO BE OVER 15 MINUTES.
>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, MAYOR, COUNCIL, CITY STAFF. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. KRABL I CAN'T BELIEVE WE'RE AT THE LAST QUARTERLY UPDATE OF 2025. SEEMS THAT IT GOT HERE PRETTY QUICK. BEEN A PLEASURE COMING UP HERE ALL YEAR LONG. AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THE CHAMBER CONTINUES TO EXPERIENCE STRONG MOMENTUM. WE NOW SERVE MORE THAN 440 MEMBERS, REPRESENTING BUSINESS AND INDUSTRIES OF ALL SIZES AND THAT GROWTH REFLECTS THE CONTINUED CONFIDENCE IN THE CITY OF HUTTO, THE BUSINESS CLIMATE AND THE FUTURE.
OUR PROGRAM AND ENGAGEMENT REMAIN VERY STRONG.
OUR MONTHLY LUNCHEONS ARE CONSISTENTLY AVERAGING MORE THAN 80 ATTENDEES, PROVIDING MEANINGFUL NETWORKING AND, OF COURSE, ACCESS TO TIMELY INFORMATION.
OUR NETWORKING AND COMMUNITY EVENTS ARE DRAWING ANYWHERE OVER FROM 80 PEOPLE TO OVER 150 PEOPLE PER EVENT WITH PEOPLE COMING NOT ONLY FROM THE CITY OF HUTTO BUT FROM ACROSS THE REGION.
THIS LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION SPEAKS HIGHLY OF HUTTO'S GROWING VISIBILITY AS PLACE TO DO BUSINESS. WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE IN RIBBON CUTTINGS.
THE RECENT PENSKE AUTOMOTIVE TOYOTA GROUNDBREAKING WHICH HIGHLIGHTS CONTINUED INVESTMENT, JOB CREATION AND LONG- TERM CONFIDENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY. EARLIER THIS MONTH, WE HELD OUR ANNUAL BOARD RETREAT, WHICH WAS A VERY PRODUCTIVE AND ENERGIZING SESSION.
THE RETREAT FOCUSED ON TEAM BUILDING, STRATEGIC ALIGNMENT AND STRENGTHENING COLLABORATION BETWEEN OUR BOARD, STAFF AND MEMBERS.
IT REENFORCED OUR COMMITMENT TO BEING A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR BUSINESS WHILE SUPPORTING THOUGHTFUL, SUSTAINABLE GROWTH WITHIN THE CITY OF HUTTO. IN ADDITION, THE CHAMBER CONTINUES TO ADVOCATE FOR WORKFORCE SOLUTIONS AND EDUCATION, RECOGNIZING THAT A STRONG WORKFORCE PIPELINE IS CRITICAL TO SUPPORTING EXISTING EMPLOYERS AND ATTRACTING NEW ONES. WE REMAIN FOCUSED ON PARTNERING WITH SCHOOLS, INDUSTRY LEADERS AND THE CITY TO HELP ADDRESS WORKFORCE NEEDS AND LONG- TERM DEVELOPMENT. AS WE LOOK AHEAD, THE CHAMBER REMAINS COMMITTED TO SUPPORTING EXISTING BUSINESSES, WELCOMING NEW EMPLOYERS AND ENTREPRENEURS, SERVING AS A CONNECTOR BETWEEN BUSINESS, LEADERSHIP AND THE COMMUNITY.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, PROMOTING HUTTO AS A PREMIER PLACE TO LIVE, WORK AND INVEST.
WITH THAT SAID, THANK YOU AND I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTION THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
>> COULD YOU GIVE US SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE GALA THAT'S COMING UP?
>> WHAT ABOUT IT? JANUARY 24TH EMBASSY SUITE.
WE ARE MOVING IT FROM CAL AHARI TO THE EMBASSY SWEET IN ROUND ROCK.
>> BASS PRO AND THERE'S A RESTAURANT RIGHT THERE AS WELL. LUPA'S TORTILLAS.
IF I DON'T SEE YOU, HAVE A MERRY
[8.2. Police Department Quarterly Update Presentation (Chief Jeffrey Yarbrough) ]
CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR. LOOKING FORWARD TO 2026.>> NEXT WE HAVE 8. 2 POLICE DEPARTMENT QUARTERLY UPDATE PRESENTATION.
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>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COUNCIL, MATT, DOTTIE. JEFF YARBROUGH OF THE HUTTO POLICE DEPARTMENT. I COME BEFORE YOU TO BRING A QUARTERLY UPDATE FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I PROMISE YOU IT WILL BE LESS THAN SIX MINUTES, SO START THE CLOCK. I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT STAFFING -- CRIME REPORTS, TRAFFIC UPDATE AND STRATEGIC ACTION INITIATIVES TO ADDRESS CONCERNS IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE 54 AUTHORIZED POSITIONS IN THE CITY. WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES.
WE HAVE NONE IN FIELD TRAINING. AND CURRENTLY WE HAVE NONE IN BACKGROUND. SO PEOPLE SAY, WHY DON'T YOU HAVE ANY IN BACKGROUND? WE HAVE MANY APPLICANTS. I SPEAK WITH OUR PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS SERGEANT TODAY. HE SAID WE GET ABOUT 20- PLUS REQUESTS FOR CADET ENTRY LEVEL POSITIONS AND WE GET ABOUT FIVE TO TEN A WEEK ON LATERALS. WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE FIELD THESE LAST TWO WE'RE GETTING SOMEONE WE TRULY BELIEVE WILL FIT THE NEED OF OUR GROWING COMMUNITY. WE HAVE A COURT COMPLIANCE OFFICER POSITION AVAILABLE. AND WE FINISHED THE INTERVIEWS ON THOSE AND WE SHOULD HAVE THAT ONE ANNOUNCED REAL SHORTLY. KIND OF HAVE A CO- COMPLIANCE OFFICER VACANCY. OUR HUTTO POLICE DEPARTMENT HONOR GUARD WAS ESTABLISHED THIS YEAR, THE FIRST WE'VE EVER HAD IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
OFFICER DIANA LEWIS IS THE LEAD SERGEANT. ANTHONY ROBBERSON AND -- GUARD NATIONAL ACADEMY. SINCE DOING THAT, THEY HAVE SERVED WITH THE TREE OF ANGELS FOR THE COUNTY IN ASSISTING IN THAT MEMORIAL SERVICE AND ALSO WITH AN OFFICER THAT RECENTLY PASSED IN A PARTNER -- CITY HERE AND THE COUNTY, THEY PROVIDED HONOR GUARD SERVICES AND REPRESENTED OUR DEPARTMENT VERY WELL THERE. SO WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE THAT NEW ADDITION.
CRIME REPORT. WE POST OUR STATS MONTHLY BUT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS.
BURGLARY OF A MOTORCYCLE. VEHICLE. WE TALK ABOUT HOW BAD THAT ISSUE HAS BEEN AROUND THE COUNTY LAST YEAR AND CENTRAL TEXAS. OUR STATS GO FROM JANUARY TO OCTOBER BECAUSE WE HADN'T RECEIVED THE NOVEMBER STATS WHEN WE DID THIS. BUT WE'RE DOWN 61% WHEN IT COMES TO BURGLARY OF MOTOR VEHICLES IN OUR COMMENT. BURGLARY OF A BUILDING, HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT, WE HAD AN UPTICK OF THOSE LAST YEAR. WE'VE INITIATED SOME STRATEGIES TO REDUCE THAT. I'LL SHOW YOU SOME VERY INTERESTING VIDEO IN A FEW MINUTES.
DWIS ARE UP. DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE MORE DRUNK DRIVERS? NO.
WE HAVE OFFICERS THAT HAVE FOCUSED ON MAKING SURE THEY IDENTIFY THOSE AND THE ARRESTS AND INTERDICTION FOR DWIS HAS INCREASED. TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS ARE DOWN.
DOES THAT MEAN TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT IS WORKING? YES, PARTLY, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF VEHICLES COMING THROUGH.
WHEN YOU HAVE OFFICERS VISIBLE, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THAT PEOPLE WILL MORE LIKELY COMPLY WITH THE LAWS AND THE TRAFFIC RULES. CAD EVENTS. OUR CAD EVENTS ARE DOWN.
DOES THAT MEAN AS A GROWING CITY WE'RE GETTING FEWER CALLS? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. OUR CALL VOLUME IS INCREASING TREMENDOUSLY, BUT WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS OUR CAD EVENTS ALSO INCLUDE OFFICER INITIATED D AS WELL AS CALLS FROM DISPATCH. CALLS FROM DISPATCH ARE INCREASING, WHICH IN TURN CAUSES OUR OFFICER INITIATED CALLS TO GO DOWN BECAUSE WE'RE RESPONDING TO A LOT MORE CALLS.
>> COMPUTER- AIDED DISPATCH. THAT IS THE DISPATCH WE RECEIVE FROM -- DOWN PI.COUNTY. WHEN I TALK ABOUT BURGLARY OF A BUILDING THIS IS AN INCIDENT WHEN ONE OF OUR OFFICERS WAS OUT PATROLLING A NEW SUBDIVISION BEING BUILT IN HUTTO.
PEOPLE GO AFTER HOURS AND STEAL SUPPLIES, LUMBER, APPLIANCES AND THE LIKE. SO OUR OFFICER CAUGHT THIS VEHICLE AND MADE A TRAFFIC STOP AS THE VEHICLE WAS COMING OUT OF ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS LATE THAT NIGHT. IT'S ABOUT A MINUTE.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE VERY LONG.
THE TRAFFIC STOP WASN'T A MINUTE BUT I CUT IT DOWN.
HE MADE THE TRAFFIC STOP AND APPROACHED THAT SWEEK.
AS HE WAS INTERACTING WITH THE DRIVER, YOU'LL SEE SHORTLY SOME OF THE THINGS HE SAW, SOME OF THE ARTIFACTS HE SAW IN THAT VEHICLE. SO AS HE WAS MAKING HIS WAY BACK TO THE VEHICLE, YOU'LL SEE THE DRIVER'S RESPONSE TO BEING STOPPED IN THAT AREA AND WHAT THE OFFICER OBSERVED.
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IS IS.>> IS -- OH BOY. HE HASN'T HEARD ABOUT THE --
>> YEAH. THE OFFICER INITIATED THE PURSUIT. IF YOU WATCH THE VIDEO YOU'LL SEE WE WENT FROM ONE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'RE NOW OVER NEAR FRENCH PARK.
HE TOOK OUR OFFICERS THROUGH THE CITY ON A VERY INTERESTING PATH UNTIL WE GOT WILLIAMSON COUNTY INVOLVED AND OFFICERS CAUGHT HIM ATTEMPTING TO DRIVE OFF ROAD.
HE WAS UNSUCCESSFUL. AT THAT POINT HE WAS SURROUNDED AND TAKEN INTO CUSTODY.
THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY OUR BURGLARIES OF A BUILDING ARE NOT AS HIGH AS THEY ARE BECAUSE OUR OFFICERS HAVE TAKEN A STRATEGIC APPROACH TO GOING INTO THOSE AREAS AND MAKING SURE THEY'RE PROVIDES ING PROVIDESING OVERWATCH. TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS ARE DOWN.
THEIR VEHICLES ARE VISIBLE AND THAT IS A NATURAL DETERRENT TO TRAFFIC ISSUES. TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS ARE DOWNDOWN OUR CALL VOLUME IS UP SO WE'RE NOT ABLE TO BE AS PROACTIVE AS WE WANT. WHEN TRAFFIC STOPS ARE DOWN, OF COURSE YOUR CITATIONS AND WARNINGS ARE GOING TO BE DOWN.
SOME OF THE STRATEGIC ACTION INITIATIVES WE'VE IMPLEMENTED IS WE HAVE A SWING SHIFT TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT. THAT IS OFFICER STEVENS AND OUR K-9 OFFICER PROVIDES SWING SHIFT.
WE HAVE 6 A TO 6 P AND 6:00 P.M. TO 6:00 A.M.
IT ALLOWS OUR PATROL SHIFTS TO BE MORE REACTIVE TO CALLS COMING IN.
WE HAVE A TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT DIVISION AND WE'RE PROUD OF THE SERVICES THEY'RE PROVIDING IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING OUR OFFICER VISIBILITY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITY.
AND WE'RE DEPLOYING SPEED TRAILERS TO COLLECT DATA SO WE CAN PROVIDE THAT DATA DRIVEN POLICING IN RESPONSE TO CONCERNS WE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY LIKE THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE IN -- THAT I HEARD THE MAYOR SPEAK ABOUT OLD TOWN. HEARING THOSE THINGS, THAT IS SOMETHING WE VALUE SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY RESPOND AND ADDRESS TO COLLECT THAT DATA AND MAKE SURE OFFICERS ARE VISIBLE TO MITIGATE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS. ANY QUESTIONS?
>> WE HAVE A PHILOSOPHY. YOU RUN FROM THE POLICE IN HUTTO, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO GO TO JAIL TIRED. IT'S THAT
SIR. >> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I'M LOOKING AT LIKE DWIS ARE UP. YOU SAID IT'S MORE OF A FOCUS.
BUT YOU LOOK AT THE CITATIONS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THESE OTHER CALLS THAT ARE HIGHER PRECEDENCE. THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY FOR AN ANSWER TONIGHT. BUT IF WE LOOK AT THE JURISDICTIONS TO THE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST AND WEST, DO WE SEE SIMILAR TRENDS IN THAT? NOT SO MUCH THAT THEIR STRATEGIC PLANS ARE THE SAME. I MEAN, IF YOUR STOPS ARE DOWN BECAUSE OF STRATEGIC PLANNING, BUT CAN WE GO LOOK AT ARE DWIS GOING UP TO THE TAYLOR, ROUND ROCK NORTH OF US AND -- TO THE SOUTH.
>> WHEN IT COMES TO DWIS WHAT WAS HAPPENING HISTORICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A CERTAIN STAFFING LEVEL YOU CAN'T BE PROACTIVE. WHEN AN OFFICER IS PROACTIVE AND MAKES A DWI ARREST, THAT'S TYPICALLY A TWO- HOUR DOWNTIME FOR THAT OFFICER, TAKING THAT INDIVIDUAL TO COUNTY, DOING THE PROCESSING. SOMETIMES AN OFFICER WILL HIT TWO A NIGHT. HE IS REALLY GEARED IN TO MAKING SURE HE'S KEEPING OUR STREETS SAFE. WHEN IT COMES TO ALSO OUR CAD EVENTS DOWN AND OUR TRAFFIC STOPS DOWN, WHEN YOU'VE GOT OFFICERS IN TRAINING LIKE WE'VE HAD, WE'RE VERY PROUD THAT EVERY ONE OF OUR OFFICERS HAVE GONE THROUGH THE MENTAL HEALTH OFFICER TRAINING, FIRST TIME IN THE HISTORY OF OUR DEPARTMENT. WHEN YOU HAVE OFFICERS OUT DOING THE TRAINING THAT MEANS YOUR STAFFING LEVELS ARE A LOT LOWER SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE REACTIVE AND ANSWERS CALLS AS OPPOSED TO THE PROACTIVE INITIATIVES WE WOULD BENEFIT FROM THAT WOULD SHOW IN THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC STOPS AND CAD
EVENTS. >> I'LL PARSE IT A LITTLE BIT.
SO HUTTO IS UNIQUE. IT'S NOT KIND OF APPLES AND ORANGES TO LOOK AT WHAT TAYLOR IS DOING AND STUFF LIKE THAT AS FAR AS THEIR DWI INCREASE?
>> YES, SIR. SOME CITIES HAVE DWI ENFORCEMENT UNITS. THEY'LL COME OUT AND WORK NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS. THAT'S SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING. WHEN WE HAVE OFFICERS ON, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THESE THINGS WHEN THEY CAN. BUT THIS ONE OFFICER, HE HAS JUST MADE IT HIS MISSION TO MAKE SURE HE KEEPS OUR COMMUNITY SAFE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> YES, SIR.
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[12.2. Update from the 150th Anniversary Celebration Committee and Unveiling of the Sesquicentennial Logo. (Councilmember Gordon) ]
>> NO OBJECTIONS, BEEN ASKED TO MOVE ITEM 12. 2 UP, THE 150TH CELEBRATION. WE'LL GO TO 12. 2, UPDATE FROM THE 150TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION COMMITTEE AND UNVEILING THE SUSS SUSS QUESTION SEVEN -- SESQUICENTENNIAL.
>> GOOD TO BACK HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE. IT'S HARD TO FOLLOW CHIEF FOR PRESENTATION. WHERE IS THE PRESENTATION? HERE WE GO. SO THIS IS THE SUSS SESQUICENTENNIAL REPORT.
THIS IS OUR REPORT TO COUNCIL AND THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE.
SO LET'S GET GOING. HERE WE GO.
JUST A LITTLE INTRODUCTION ABOUT THE COMMITTEE.
THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS CREATED ON JULY 18TH, 2024. IT CONTESTS OF 20 MEMBERS, TEN FROM EXISTING BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
THOSE ARE LISTED THERE. TWO FROM EACH OF THOSE BOARDS AND THEN TEN CITIZENS. I MYSELF AMBER LEE COALER, I AM THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE. LEWIS IS ON THE -- SHE'S THE SECRETARY. SHE'S DOING A GREAT JOB.
SHE'S VERY DETAILED AND HAS A LOT OF NOTES.
SHE'S MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE WITH YOU. I WANT TO RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE THIS EVENING. WE HAVE CHARLENE MARTINDALE.
WE ALSO HAVE TANYA AND BOYD MEYER TO PUT FACES WITH NAMES. THEY ARE THE NEWEST RESIDENTS ON THE COMMITTEE. THEY'VE BEEN HERE SINCE JULY OF THIS YEAR. THEY MOVED HERE.
THEY LOVE HUTTO. THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT THE COMMITTEE. THEY WERE LIKE, WE WANT TO GET INVOLVED AND WE WANT TO CELEBRATE 150 YEARS.
IT'S GREAT TO BRING THAT FRESH PERSPECTIVE AS WELL AS SOMEONE LIKE FORMER MAYOR MR. MIKE FOWLER. HE'S BEEN HERE FOR HOW MANY YEARS?
>> HERE WE GO. WE HAVE LONGEVITY AND WE HAVE THE NEW FRESHNESS TOO IN OUR COMMITTEE. ALSO, WE HAVE TANYA WARD HERE.
AND THEN ELIZABETH -- IS HERE AS WELL.
SO OF COURSE 20 MINUTES HERE, SIX OF US, SEVEN OF US.
SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
FOR THE 150TH CELEBRATION WE JUST WANT -- THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO CLARIFY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF HUTTO AND WHEN THE CITY OF HUTTO WAS INCORPORATED. WE ARE CELEBRATING 150 YEARS OF OF HUTTO BEING ESTABLISHED BY THE HUTTO STATION BEING CREATED WITH THE RAIL LINE BEING LAID DOWN. SO THAT WAS IN 1876 WHEN THE INTERNATIONAL AND GREAT NORTHERN RAIL LINE COMPLETED A LINE FROM PALESTINE, TEXAS, OUT IN EAST TEXAS TO ROUND ROCK.
AND THEN THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS IN 1911 THE CITY OF HUTTO WAS OFFICIALLY INCORPORATED. WE WILL NOT BE CELEBRATING THAT.
WE ARE CELEBRATING THE COMING OF THE RAILROAD.
SO 1876 IS OUR YEAR. WE HAVE HAD SOME MEETINGS.
SO WE DID HAVE AN ORGANIZATION MEETING IN SEPTEMBER WHERE COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON GATHERED US TO KIND OF GET STARTED. WE'VE HAD MONTHLY MEETINGS SINCE THEN, SO WE'VE HAD FOUR MEETINGS. EVERY MEETING WE DO START WITH ABOUT TEN TO 15 MINUTES OF HUTTO HISTORY.
A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THE LEGEND OF THE HIPPO GETTING OFF OF THE TRAIN, BUT WE'RE REALLY DIGGING INTO THE HISTORY OF HUTTO, WHICH I MYSELF AM LEARNING ABOUT, BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT READILY AVAILABLE BUT WE DO HAVE JOHN STEPHENSON WHICH IS GREAT, SOME MEMBERS OF THE HBC THAT THEY'RE VERY THOROUGH WITH THE HISTORY AND JUST INFORMING THE COMMITTEE ON THE HISTORY OF HUTTO. SO WE DID CREATE SUBCOMMITTEES.
WE HAVE FIVE SUBCOMMITTEES. WE HAVE A HISTORY SUBCOMMITTEE, THE FUNDING AND SPONSORSHIPS, ENTERTAINMENT AND COMMUNICATIONS, FOOD AND CUISINE, ARTS AND CULTURE
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COMMITTEES. HISTORY IS THERE TO REALLY KEEP US FOCUSED ON HISTORY, ACCURACY AND EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ON THE HISTORY. DOES ANYBODY FROM THE HISTORY SUBCOMMITTEE WANT TO SPEAK ON HISTORY? IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON HISTORY, DEFINITELY FEEL FREE TO ASK. MR. MIKE FOWLER IS HERE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.FUNDING AND SPONSORSHIPS, OF COURSE, IS JUST REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND GETTING SPONSORSHIPS FOR THE EVENT. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT THIS EVENT. SO FAR IT'S GOING WELL.
TANYA WILL SPEAK ON THAT TOO HERE IN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME WORK THAT SHE'S DOING. THE ENTERTAINMENT AND COMMUNICATIONS SUBCOMMITTEE, THEY ARE WORKING ON THE ENTERTAINMENT FOR THE EVENT.
COMMUNICATIONS ON HOW WE WANT TO GET IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC, PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF HUTTO, TO BRING THEM IN FOR THIS TO CELEBRATE. OF COURSE, THE FOOD AND CUISINE SUBCOMMITTEE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING IN FOOD VENDORS, WHETHER LOCAL OR OUTSIDE SO FOOD CAN BE PROVIDED.
ARTS AND CULTURE AS WELL TO PROVIDE JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, NEXT LEVEL OF SOMETHING THAT'S MISSING IN HUTTO JUST TO RECOGNIZE THE HISTORY TOO. SO THAT IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON. SO THIS IS HIGH LEVEL RIGHT HERE, BUT THE WORK OF THE 150 TH SO FAR AND THE FOUR MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE HAD WE'VE DECIDED ON A LOGO, THE DATE, VENUE. WE HAVE COLLABORATED WITH OR WERE BEGINNING TO COLLABORATE WITH DHBA AND THE CHAMBER. THEY'VE BEEN GREAT RESOURCES FOR US, LIKE BUSINESSES FOR SPONSORSHIPS IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND WE HAVE MET WITH A COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT HERE AT THE CITY OF HUTTO, BECAUSE THIS IS THE CITY OF HUTTO EVENT. AND SO THAT DEPARTMENT WILL BE -- WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM THE CONTENT TO PUBLISH, TO PUT OUT INFORMATION ABOUT THE HISTORY.
AND THE FOOD AND CUISINE SUBCOMMITTEE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH LOCAL FOOD VENDORS AND FOOD TRUCKS TO GET THEM IN THE KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GETTING INTO MORE DETAILS NOW THAT WE'VE KIND OF GOTTEN ALL THE GENERAL THINGS DONE. WE'RE WORKING ON COORDINATING ON PUBLIC SAFETY.
OF COURSE, WE WILL MEET WITH HPD AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
THEN OUR SUBCOMMITTEES ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THEIR OWN SUB BUDGETS SO WE CAN COME BACK IN FEBRUARY TO PRESENT THAT TO COUNCIL TO GIVE YOU ALL AN IDEA OF MONETARY NEEDS FOR THE EVENT.
TANYA IS GOING TO COME AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE STUFF.
SHE'S BEEN GREAT AS FAR AS SPONSORSHIPS AND FUNDING.
>> OKAY. SO I HAD TO MISS A FEW OF THE MEETINGS. I HAD TO TRY AND ATTEND THEM VIRTUALLY, SO BEAR WITH ME WHILE I HOPEFULLY GO THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT WE DID GET ESTABLISHED. WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE RAILROAD. UNION PACIFIC IS STILL IN CHARGE OR SOUTHERN PACIFIC I THINK IS WHAT THEY'RE UNDER NOW.
THEY ARE VERY INTERESTED IN OUR EVENT AND HOPEFULLY OFFERING US TO HELP WITH POSSIBLY GETTING SOME TRAIN WHISTLES OR MODEL TRAINS WE CAN GIVE OUT AND HAVE LIKE THE HUTTO LOGO ON THE SIDE OF THEM POSSIBLY.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN A QUOTE AND IF WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM OR NOT. WE'VE REACHED OUT TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE SMITHSONIAN ALSO.
WHO DOESN'T LIKE TO HAVE EXTRA HISTORY BACKING US UP? WE'VE GOTTEN FEEDBACK ABOUT REACHING OUT TO THE HIGH SCHOOL AND BUILDING A MEMORY BOARD THAT WILL BE PORTABLE THAT WILL HAVE PHOTOS OF HUTTO OVER THE YEARS THAT CAN MOVE FROM, SAY, THE DOWNTOWN HUTTO BUSINESSES. EACH MONTH IT CAN BE STATIONED AT A NEW LOCATION TO HIGHLIGHT THE HISTORY OF HUTTO AS WELL AS THAT BUSINESS. WE HAVE AN ACTIVITY BOOK IN THE WORKS. THERE'S A LOGO MASTER WHO LIVES IN AUSTIN WHO'S TALKED TO ME ABOUT POSSIBILITY HAVING THE KIDS BUILD LITTLE HUTTO HIPPO MINI FIGURES OR MINI TRAINS THEY CAN PUT ON FOR US.
WE JUST NEED TO HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WE'RE EXPECTING AT THIS EVENT. I LOVED THAT QUESTION THE OTHER NIGHT. THERE WILL BE ESSAYS AND ARTWORK AND HE COMPETITIONS AND GIVEAWAYS.
WE'RE REACHING OUT TO THE MUSEUM IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE.
WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THE MUSEUM WILL BE JUST AS RECEP TY.
RECEPTIVE. THERE WILL BE A WEBSITE THAT WILL HAVE 150 HISTORICAL FACTS AVAILABLE COMING UP SOON ALONG WITH DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES FAMILIES CAN DO TOGETHER. ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR?
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>> HAVE Y'ALL REACHED OUT TO DIFFERENT NONPROFITS LIKE HUTTO WOMEN'S ALLIANCE, THE ROTARY?
>> WE HAVE A LIST BETWEEN WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND TRAVIS COUNTY WE'RE GOING TO BE REACHING OUT TO. I'M WAITING ON A LETTER HEAD FORM LETTER I'M SUPPOSED TO USE FOR÷÷FOR CITY BUSINESS. ONCE I HAVE THAT, I CAN MASS MEDIA IT OUT TO EVERYBODY WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING
>> UNTIL I HAVE THAT OFFICIAL LETTER, I WILL NOT BE REACHING OUT BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT BE FORMAL OR LEGAL.
>> SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND JUST SHOW Y'ALL WHAT WE HAVE WORKED ON. WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU ALL THE LOGO THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS COME UP WITH.
HERE WE GO. IT'S WITH GREAT EXCITEMENT THAT THE 150TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION COMMITTEE, WE'RE THRILLED TO UNVEIL THE OFFICIAL ANNIVERSARY LOGO. IT WAS CREATED BY THE COMMITTEE AND PROUDLY CHOSEN THROUGH A COMMITTEE VOTE. THE LOGO NOT ONLY MARKS AN INCREDIBLE MILESTONE, BUT IT ALSO COMMEMORATES TWO LEGENDARY MOMENTS IN HUTTO'S HISTORY, THE ARRIVAL OF THE RAILROAD AND THE UNFORGETTABLE LEGEND OF THE HIPPO THAT FAMOUSLY WENT LOOSE FROM THE TRAIN. IT'S RICH IN HISTORY AND HOMETOWN PRIDE. THIS LOGO CAPTURES THE SPIRIT, THE STORIES AND THE EXCITEMENT OF 150 REMARKABLE YEARS AS WE LAUNCH INTO THIS ONCE IN A LIFETIME CELEBRATION. SO HERE IS OUR LOGO.
AND I DID GIVE CHARLENE MARTINDALE THE CREDIT THERE. IT WAS DESIGNED BY HER.
SHE'S GOING THROUGH SOME EDITS AND PERFECTING IT RIGHT NOW. THIS ISN'T QUITE THE FINAL, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. SO THIS IS OUR LOGO. TO SHARE MORE DETAILS WITH YOU, WE HAVE DECIDED ON A DATE. SO THE CELEBRATION WILL BE ON SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 14TH, 2026 AT FRITZ PARK.
SO WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYANY QUESTIONS.
THE COMMITTEE WELCOMES ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL.
PREFERENCES ON LIVE ENTERTAINMENT OR ANY FEEDBACK WOULD BE GREAT OR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
>> I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. NOVEMBER 14TH -- YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
HAVE Y'ALL LOOKED AT ALTERNATE DATES IN CASE OF WEATHER ISSUES THAT TIME OF THE YEAR?
>> SO NOVEMBER 14TH WAS CHOSEN BECAUSE OLD TIME DAYS IS NORMALLY IN OCTOBER, IS THAT CORRECT? SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO OVERLAP WITH THAT.
AND DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THAT?
>> I'M NOT SAYING WHAT THE DATE SHOULD BE.
>> OTHER DATES WERE DISCUSSED. THE REASON WHY WE DID CHOOSE LATER IN THE YEAR IS BECAUSE THE PLANNING COMMITTEE KIND OF NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE RUNWAY TO PLAN
QUESTION. >> SO THE BACKUP DATE IS ACTUALLY ONE THAT'S STILL UNDER CONSIDERATION BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE CITY'S PLANNING FOR THE DECEMBER EVENTS.
>> WITH ANYTHING GOING ON IN DECEMBER, BECAUSE SO FAR WE'VE HAD THE DRONE EVENT, THE SANTA CRAWL, THE LIGHT UP THE NIGHT. SO UNTIL THE CITY CAN GIVE US A BETTER IDEA WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING FOR DECEMBER, WE CAN'T GIVE AN ALTERNATIVE DATE.
>> RIGHT. THE CONSIDERATION OF A BACKUP DATE IN CASE OF WEATHER NOT TO BE DECIDED AT THIS MOMENT BY ANY MEANS.
>> NO. IT'S THERE. IT'S JUST A WORK IN
YOU. >> WEATHER WAS CONSIDERED.
WE DID SHY AWAY FROM WARMER MONTHS.
>> THERE'S NO WAY TO PREDICT NOVEMBER
>> YOU CAN'T PREDICT THE WEATHER, ABSOLUTELY, BUT THAT WAS A CONCERN FOR SOME COMMITTEE MEMBERS OR THAT WAS A HIGHLY LIKE VOCALIZED CONCERN OF SOME COMMITTEE MEMBERS, IS THAT THEY DID NOT WANT TO HAVE IT DURING HOTTER MONTHS. WE JUST DECIDED THAT NOVEMBER 14TH --
>> I'M NOT TRYING TO DIRECT JUST SAYING TO
CONSIDER -- >> DEFINITELY OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS AS WELL.
>> ANOTHER SUGGESTION OR CONSIDERATION IS LIVE OAK IS GOING TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION STARTING I BELIEVE THE BIDS ARE IN MAY.
THESE ARE PLANNED. DON'T QUOTE ME ON ANY OF THESE BUT I THINK STARTING IN APRIL. IT 'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FINISHED UNTIL THE NEXT YEAR.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO START ON THE FRITZ PARK SIDE OR THE CO- OP SIDE.
BUT JUST SOMETHING TO BE CONCERNED WITH AND WORKING WITH CITY AND MAKE SURE THERE'S NO TRAFFIC ISSUES THERE.
I KNOW THE ALTERNATIVE WAS -- I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE 137 INTERSECTION IS FARTHER OUT
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THAN NEXT NOVEMBER. ANYWAY -->> DEFINITELY WE WOULD LIKE -- BECAUSE WE WILL BE TALKING TO HPD EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN GET WITH THEM ON, LOGISTICS OF THAT, HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK, HOW THAT MAY FLOW BETTER SO PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, SAFE IN THE AREA, RIGHT, UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
>> THE LAST THING -- COUNCILMEMBER GORDON, YOU MAY CAN CORRECT ME. I THOUGHT A COUPLE CITY COUNCILS AGO WE INCREASED THE MEMBERSHIP TO 22 MEMBERS.
22. >> WE DID GET THAT UPDATE THIS LAST MEETING. WE JUST HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE -- WE HAVEN'T HAD A MEETING SINCE THEN TO ADD IN THE NEW PEOPLE. IF YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS.
>> AS TO THE LIVE OAK UPDATES, WE ARE GOING TO MONITOR THAT CLOSELY TO SEE IF WE DO NEED TO DO THE BACKUP. BOTH PARKS ARE BOOKED FOR NOVEMBER 14TH. IT'S JUST A QUESTION FOR ONCE WE GET TOLD WHERE IT'S STARTING ON THE CONSTRUCTION SO WE CAN PLAN IF WE NEED TO RELOCATE TO -- THAT IS SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE MEETING.
>> AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO INFLUENCE THE DECISION.
I THINK Y'ALL HAVE AMASSED A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE AND RESOURCES. IT'S LEFT TO YOU GUYS TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO. I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT IN THERE ON CONSIDERATION.
>> THANKS FOR ALL YOUR GUYS' WORK AND EFFORT ON THIS.
I WOULD RECOMMEND -- OVER FRITZ. I KNOW FRITZ IS GOING TO BE RECENTLY REBUILT. THE ONE ISSUE WITH FRITZ IS THE ENTIRE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN CAN'T MAKE IT TO FRITZ WOULD DRIVING THROUGH OLD TOWN, ALL THE OLD ROADS. IF WE REALLY DO WANT THIS TO BE MORE THAN JUST A COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE FROM ROUND ROCK AND FLUGER VIL, THERE'S NOT AN EASY WAY TO GET TO FRITZ.
THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES I'VE HAD CONCERNED ABOUT.
THERE'S NOT AN EASY WAY TO GET TO THERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE COMING WESTBOUND ON 79 INTO THE CITY TO MAKE A RIGHT IN. IF YOU'RE GOING EASTBOUND, YOU HAVE TO KNOW AHEAD OF TIME TO MAKE A LEFT SOMEWHERE EAST OR SOME OTHER ROAD IN AND THEN NAVIGATE IN. ALSO PARKING THERE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS ARE GOING TO BE REVISED.
THAT INFORMATION. >> I THINK IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE A COUPLE ACRES.
ADAM OR GAIN HAS EIGHT ACRES. IT'S PAVED.
IT'S SET UP TO HAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE SHOW UP THERE. IF YOU'RE PROJECTING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 2000 PEOPLE, FRITZ WILL PROBABLY WORK. THE ONLY OTHER ISSUE IS ONCE THE PARKING LOT IS FULL, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THERE'S OVERFLOW PARKING IN THAT WHOLE AREA BECAUSE IT IS VERY NARROW, THE ROADS THERE. BUT ADAM OR GAIN YOU CAN GET 4,000 OR 5,000 PEOPLE PRETTY QUICKLY.
I WOULD JUST LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT.
I LIKE THE DATE ON THE 14TH, BECAUSE THAT WAY IF YOU DO HAVE WEATHER, YOU CAN SWITCH IT TO THE 21ST AND THAT'S STILL A WEEK BEFORE THANKSGIVING SO YOU'RE NOT INTERFERING WITH PEOPLE BEING GONE.
THE WEATHER IS SO CRAZY HERE. IT COULD BE 95 DEGREES THAT DAY, OR WE COULD HAVE ICE. IT'S CRAZY THAT --
>> TO ADDRESS THE ADAM OR GAIN PARK DECISION, WE LOOKED AT, AGAIN, THE ROADS. THAT STOPS A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM BEING AGE BLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF THEIR HOUSE OR APARTMENT. TRAFFIC WOULD BE NO BETTER THERE THAN AT FRITZ PARK. THE LAST FEW EVENTS I'VE WATCHED PEOPLE WHERE IT SAYS DON'T TURN LEFT OUT OF ADAM OR GAIN PEOPLE ARE STILL TRYING TO TURN LEFT OUT OF ADAM OR GAIN. UNLESS WE HAVE OFFICERS DIRECTING TRAFFIC, THAT'S STILL NOT A SAFE OPTION.
AVAILABILITY. WHILE ADAM OR GAIN IS A BIG FIELD, THAT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE FOR A LOT OF OUR CITIZENS.
THEY CAN'T GET WHEELCHAIRS TO THE BOOTHS IF THE BOOTHS ARE IN THE GRASS. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY THERE MAY BE BOOTHS IN THE GRASS. AFTER HAVING THE KIDNEY DONATION AND TRYING TO WALK IT, THAT WASN'T FUN. I WASN'T USING A WALKER, CANE OR WHEELCHAIR, AND I WORE MYSELF OUT JUST WALKING THE CIRCUIT UP AND BEHIND THE STAGE AND DOWN THE SIDEWALK TO GET BACK OUT TO THE PARKING. THERE'S ALSO THE ISSUE OFOF HOW MUCH PARKING IS A.D.A. COMPLIANT.
WE HAVE A LOT OF CITIZENS THAT ARE A.D.A.
AND A LOT OF OUR EVENTS ARE NOT A.D.A. FRIENDLY, AND WE NEED TO DO BETTER.
>> YEAH. YOU GUYS CAN DISCUSS THAT. I KNOW THE PARKING LOT IS TOO FLAT AT ADAM OR GAIN TO WHERE WELL.
WHATEVER YOU GUYS DECIDE, I KNOW THAT EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WILL WORK WITH YOU IN TERMS OF HOW DO YOU GET EVERYBODY IN AND OUT AND IF YOU NEED MORE POLICE. I WOULD SAY PROBABLY THE REASON IS TRAFFIC THAT YOU SEE AT ADAM OR GAIN IS YOU ARE PUTTING FOUR -- I THINK 3400 PEOPLE CAME FOR THE DRONE
>> YOU HAVE 3400 PEOPLE EXITING AT ONCE AND IN 30
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MINUTES IT'S CLEARED. I THINK STAFF IS LEARNING.ACTUALLY THIS LAST TIME THEY HAD A WRECK.
I WAS GETTING ONTO -- WE NEED TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT. IT TURNED OUT THAT -- I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT PERSON GOT INTO A WRECK BUT IT WAS IN LINE WITH THE PARKING LOT.
>> ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. WE ARE LOOKING AT SHUTTLING PEOPLE. WE ARE LOOKING AT PARKING.
WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW TO GET THE MOST PEOPLE THERE TO ENJOY IT THE MOST. WE APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS BECAUSE THAT GIVES US MORE TO THINK ABOUT AND BRING TO THE
THAT'S A SLICK LOGO. GOOD JOB ON THAT.
I'M EXCITED. AS SOON AS YOU CAN GET IT FINALIZED, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO START SHARING.
THERE'S SIRENS ALL OVER THE PLACE, FACEBOOK POSTS EVERYWHERE AND THEN A WEEK LATER, PEOPLE ARE LIKE I DIDN'T KNOW THAT HAPPENED.
EVERY YEAR YOU DIDN'T NOTICE THE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN WAS CLOSED.
IF YOU GET THE LOGO AND THE DATE FIGURED OUT EARLY, WE CAN SPEND A WHOLE YEAR TALKING ABOUT IT TO WHERE HOPEFULLY NO ONE CAN HAVE AN
WE ARE PLANNING TO THE FIRST COUPLE MONTHS PUT IT OUT THERE ON SOCIAL MEDIA. AND THEN WHEN HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH OCCURS IT'S MARCH OR MAY. I'M SORRY, DO NOT KNOW WHICH ONE.
>> THAT WILL BE THE KIND OF KICKOFF. THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE PUSHING THE NOVEMBER 14TH DATE.
WE DO NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE RUNWAY TIME TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS OF THIS BIG EVENT BECAUSE IT'S A BIG AMAZING THING THAT'S GOING TO
MAP. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO POINT OUT, WAS THIS IS NOT JUST A ONE- DAY EVENT.
THIS IS INTENDED TO BE KIND OF A KICK IT OFF AROUND MAY TIME FRAME AND THEN KIND OF START PRIMING THE PUBLIC ABOUT THINKING ABOUT HISTORY AND MAYBE HAVING SOME ART DISPLAYS THAT ARE ONGOING AND ARE IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND KIND OF GETTING PEOPLE EXCITED SO THAT NOVEMBER IS KIND OF THE CULMINATION AND KIND OF THIS HUGE CELEBRATION OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE DURING THE YEAR TO CELEBRATE THE HISTORY.
I LOVE THAT. I MEAN, I REALLY WANTED TO THANK THE COMMITTEE FOR ALL THE HARD WORK YOU'RE DOING. VERY INVOLVED COMMITTEE.
I'M ON THE GROUP ME THAT THEY'VE GOT SET UP.
MY PHONE WON'T STOP BUZZING SOME NIGHTS BECAUSE YOU'RE ON THERE TALKING, HEY, I'VE GOT THIS IDEA. IT'S WONDERFUL TO BE CLICKED INTO THIS AND WITNESS WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE COMMITTEE PERSONALLY AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU'RE DOING. THEN I DID HAVE ONE MAYBE COMMENT OR QUESTION. SO I REALLY THINK THAT WE SHOULD TRADEMARK THIS LOGO. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO GET WITH CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR WHATEVER.
WE SHOULD PROTECT THAT AND GET IT TRADEMARK ED.
>> I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. IT CAN JUST BE USED BY THE CITY OR IF THE CITY WANTS TO SELL IT TO ARTISTS TO USE IN DIFFERENT WAYS OBVIOUSLY, GET WITH CHARLENE.
>> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ENGRAVING, DOING A CHALLENGE COIN BECAUSE THEY DO AMAZING WORK OVER THERE AND THEY'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE HUTTO
COMMUNITY. >> WE'RE LOOKING AT SWAG, OF COURSE, DETAILS OF ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE CAN SELL FOR NOT TOO MUCH OF A PROFIT BUT JUST MAKE SOME KIND OF MONEY SO IT CAN GO TOWARDS THE CELEBRATION.
BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE SURCHARGES ON THINGS. THIS IS A BIG
DEAL. >> LOCAL BUSINESSES, T- SHIRTS, PRINTING, ACTIVITY BOOKS, CHALLENGE COINS.
WE WANT TO STAY AS LOCAL AS POSSIBLE.
ANY BUSINESSES THAT WOULD LIKE TO STEP UP AND HELP US OUT, WE'D BE MORE THAN WILLING.
>> JANUARY IS OUR NEXT MEETING. FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ANYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE, THOUGH, WITH ANY FEEDBACK OR, HEY, I HAVE THIS IDEA, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS.
>> SO ONE QUESTION I HAD WAS ABOUT THE FIREWORKS.
WE HAD THE JULY 4TH FIREWORKSFIREWORKS DIDN'T HAPPEN THIS YEAR. WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONTRACT WOULD ALLOW US TO USE THOSE MAYBE IN THE SPRINGTIME. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN EXTEND
THAT UNTIL NOVEMBER. >> WE HAVE TO CHECK ON THE AGE OF FIREWORKS. THERE IS A TIME LIMIT FOR CERTAIN CHEMICALS.
>> IT'S THE CONTRACT WITH THE PERSON --
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>> SHE TALKED DIRECTLY WITH JEFF WHITE ABOUT THE FIREWORKS.
AND HE ASKED THE FIREWORKS COMPANY IF WE COULD GO THAT LATE IN THE YEAR AND STILL HAVE THE CREDIT.
AND THEY SAID YES TO THAT NOVEMBER 14TH DATE.
SO IF Y'ALL ARE AGREEABLE TO THAT, WE WOULD LOVE THAT, BECAUSE THE COMPANY IS STILL AVAILABLE AND THEY STILL DO THE FOURTH OF JULY FIREWORKS CREDIT FOR THE 150TH ON THAT DATE.
THAT. >> ARE THEY OKAY WITH FRITZ PARK? I MEAN, THEY'VE DONE OR GAIN A COUPLE TIMES.
>> I GUESS IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO ASK THEM.
>> YEAH. BECAUSE I GUESS THAT'S WHERE THE FOURTH OF JULY -- GAIN MYSELF BECAUSE OF THE PARKING THERE. I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES. IT IS
A TRADEOFF. >> ONE OTHER QUESTION.
MAYBE THIS IS DIRECTED TO STAFF. SINCE THIS IS A LITTLE OUT FOR THE CULMINATING EVENT, IS THERE ANYTHING THE CITY CAN DO TO HELP IN FORECASTING WHAT TRAFFIC AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE BY EITHER QUESTIONNAIRES OR SURVEYS? I'M NOT ASKING FOR AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION. WHAT DID WE DO LAST YEAR, THE YEAR BEFORE? HOW IS IT GROWING? THIS IS A ONE- TIME EVENT EVEN THOUGH IT'S A SERIES OF EVENTS. IS THERE ANYWAY THE CITY CAN HELP AND PROVIDE YOU -- ARE WE LOOKING AT 3400, 1200, ARE WE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT DEPENDS ON THE HOLIDAYS AND THE DATE AS WELL. ANYTHING THE CITY CAN DO TO HELP -- IS THIS A THOUSAND PEOPLE OR 3,000? I'M NOT ASKING FOR EXACT NUMBERS BUT KIND OF BALLPARK TIERS.
NOT SWAG. >> THAT'S ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD BE.
>> I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING -- INAUDIBLE ]
>> IT'S A LITTLE BIT EVEN BIGGER GUESS THAN A WAG.
>> A WILD GUESS. I MEAN, YOU CAN STAY OLD TIME DAYS IS --
>> YEAH. I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW -- MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PD OR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT CAN HELP US. MAYBE THEY PREDICT, YOU KNOW, 2000 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SHOW BUT WE'RE GOING TO PLAN FOR 4,000. I DON'T KNOW THE LIFE AND THE MIND OF PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH IS GREAT, BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS PLAN FOR MORE THAN WHAT IS EXPECTED, RIGHT? DEFINITELY A CONVERSATION THAT WE CAN HAVE. BECAUSE THAT'S THE NEXT STEPS, IS PUBLIC SAFETY.
>> IT WOULD BE INTERESTING WITH ALL THE TALK ABOUT PARKING AND THE ISSUES WITH FRITZ AS WELL AS ADAM OR GAIN. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING BECAUSE THIS IS A CULMINATION IF THE CITY CAN FIGURE OUT SOMETHING TO DO AT FRITZ PARK EARLIER IN THIS PROCESS WITH HOW YOU SAID IT'S GOING TO BE A LEAD- UP TO THIS 14TH. MAYBE HAVING SOMETHING AT FRITZ PARK THAT ENCAPSULATED --
5K THAT STARTED IN FRITZ PARK FOR SEVERAL YEARS MEMORIAL DAY. BUT WITH FRITZ PARK BEING UNDER CONSTRUCTION, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR TIMELINE IS GOING TO BE. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING THAT INFORMATION.
>> YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. BUT IT WOULD BE ING -- UTILIZING ALL THE SPACES HUTTO HAS TO OFFER FOR THE ENTIRE CELEBRATION, PUTTING SOMETHING AT FRITZ PARK MORE IN THE MORNING TIME, IN THE LATE EVENING TIME TO KIND OF CURVE OFF SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT MAY ATTEND THE LAST EVENT, WHICH WOULD BE THE NOVEMBER 14TH DATE. YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE A CHALLENGE BACK TO YOUR BOARD TO TRY AND FIND SOMETHING SUITABLE FOR A FRITZ PARK WITH ALL OF THE AMENITIES THAT ARE COMING TOTO THAT PARK.
>> I LIKE THAT IDEA. SOMETHING THAT'S MORE LOCALIZED WHERE IT'S MORE OF THE HUTTO PEOPLE GO. THEN WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO THE FIREWORKS AND MUSIC AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT'S GOING TO BRING OUT PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE METRO AREA.
I LIKE COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON'S
IDEA. >> JUST TO CLARIFY, SO FRITZ PARK FOR JUST AN EVENT --
>> -- LEADING UP TO NOVEMBER -- FOR THE MAIN EVENT IN NOVEMBER OR NOT NECESSARILY?
>> I THINK THE PARKING, YOU HAVE TO GIVE A NOD TO THE PARKING AND HOW MANY SPACES ITIT HAS.
BUT I DO THINK FRITZ PARK IS SOMETHING THAT IS UNIQUE AND SPECIAL TO HUTTO. SO BECAUSE OF THAT, I WOULD HATE TO COMPLETELY EXCLUDE FRITZ PARK FROM THIS WHOLE EXTRAVAGANZA. SO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING THAT'S MAYBE MAYBE PROMOTED AS MAJOR AS THE 14 TH.
>> POSSIBLY ARTS COULD BE IMPLEMENTED THERE.
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FEEDBACK. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER FEEDBACK? #[9.1. Continue a public hearing and consider possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-347 authorizing and creating the Stromberg Public Improvement District within the City of Hutto pursuant to Chapter 372, Texas Local Government Code. (Matt Rector) ]
>> NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 9. 1, CONTINUE A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R R-2025- -- IF THERE'S ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO COME UP AND SPEAK REGARDING THE -- EVENING. RICK HUDSON, CITIZEN OF HUTTO.
I'VE LOOKED OVER THE PID APPLICATION.
TO ME, THERE ARE FOUR MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH IT.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, IF I AM CORRECT, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED BY STATE LAW TO HAVE WATER RUNNING OFF ONTO ADJACENT PROPERTIES. THEREFORE, DETENTION AND DRAINAGE IS REQUIRED. IT'S NOT A BENEFIT, IT'S MANDATORY. LOOKING AT THE UDC, WHICH IS, I UNDERSTAND, CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW, BUT THE UDC, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, SAYS THAT YOU WILL HAVE SIDEWALKS ON INTERIOR AND PERIMETER OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT. AGAIN, THAT'S NOT A BENEFIT. THAT'S MANDATED. SO IF THEY'RE PROPOSING THOSE ARE SOMEHOW COMMUNITY BENEFITS, THEY'RE NOT.
THIRD IS THE $7. 9 MILLION THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GIFT TO THE CITY FOR A ROAD. NOW, AS THEY LIKE TO POINT OUT OR AS THE DEVELOPER HAS POINTED OUT SEVERAL TIMES, THAT'S CORNFIELD.
AND I DON'T KNOW OF ANYBODY WHO'S GOING TO DRIVE OVER CORNFIELD TO GET TO THEIR HOUSE. SO THEY HAVE TO PUT A ROAD IN ORDER TO SELL THE PROPERTIES. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT. I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S A BENEFIT. WHAT WOULD BE A BENEFIT IS POSSIBLY $7. 9 MILLION OVER THE 20 OR 30 YEARS OF PID GOING INTO WASTEWATER SINCE THEY ARE IN OUR WASTEWATER CCN.
MAYBE REDUCE THE WATER BILLS FOR CITIZENS OF HUTTO.
A THOUGHT. AND, WOW, THE THIRD ONE IS ESCAPING ME AT THE MOMENT. WHAT WAS THE THIRD ONE?
>> I'M SORRY. IN MY MIND, IT WAS ONE, TWO AND FOUR. I MISSED THREE.
WHAT WAS THE FOURTH ONE? FOURTH ONE -- WE HAD SIDEWALKS. WE HAD THE ROAD. WE HAD THE -- WOW.
JUST BLANK. OH, THE COMMERCIAL.
THERE WE GO. THANK YOU FOR THE ADDED TIME.
IN THE PID, IT SAYS THEY HAVE 2. 7 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL. I DIDN'T SEE THAT ANYWHERE ON THE PLANS AT ALL. THEY ALSO CLAIM THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE JUST SHY OF 2,000 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.
THEIR MATH SAID ONE EMPLOYEE PER 920 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL, WHICH IF THEY HAVE 115,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL IS ABOUT 130 EMPLOYEES, NOWHERE NEAR 1900. THOUGH THAT'S FOUR, IN MY OPINION, MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH THIS PID. I'M GLAD THAT YOU'VE HAD A COUPLE EXTRA WEEKS TO LOOK OR THINK OVER THIS ONE.
YEAH, THERE'S SOME BIG PROBLEMS WITH THIS, IN MY OPINION, JUST AS A CITIZEN.
>> SEEING NO OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING --
>> SO LAW ON PID S SAY THAT YOU DO FINAL ADJOURNMENT IF YOU WANT TO FINALLY ADJOURN THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE SIX -- YOU WOULD HAVE SIX MONTHS TO CREATE THE PID.
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OR YOU COULD ADJOURN TO ANOTHER DATE.
A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEETINGS, THEY'VE ASKED FOR A CONTINUANCE. THAT WAS THEIR
REQUEST. >> SO DO A FINAL ADJOURNMENT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> YOU CAN DO A FINAL ADJOURNMENT.
THAT WOULD LEAVE SIX MONTHS UNDERSTATE LAW FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER CREATING THE
PID. >> THEN WE'LL DO FINAL ADJOURNMENT AT 7:55 P.M.
>> DOTTIE, DOES THAT REQUIRE A
I THINK YOU VOTE ON THE FINAL ADJOURNMENT.
>> MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO A FINAL ADJOURNMENT ON THE PUBLIC HEARING OF THIS PID.
>> SO TO UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THE FOLKS ASKING FOR THE PID, THEY'VE ASKED US TO NOT DO A FINAL ADJOURNMENT BUT TO ADJOURN TO A FUTURE DATE.
IS THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO RESPOND TO OUR CONCERNS? WHAT'S THE REASON THEY'VE ASKED US TO CONTINUE IT?
>> THEY WANT TO WORK WITH STAFF ON STAFF'S CONCERNS.
>> OKAY. SO THEY'RE INTERESTED IN KIND OF ADDRESSING THOSE AND MAYBE FIGURING OUT HOW THEY CAN MEET THE PID POLICY?
>> IN A NUTSHELL, THEY CAME BACK AND IT'S 90% RESIDENTIAL, 10% COMMERCIAL.
THEY HAVE NOT SAID IN THEIR PLAN THAT THEY WANT TO ASSESS THE COMMERCIAL. HOWEVER, THEY WANT TO LEAVE THAT OPEN FOR A FUTURE DATE. I THINK STAFF'S POSITION -- AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, STAFF -- WE WOULD PREFER THAT -- THEY CAN CREATE A SECOND PID FOR THE COMMERCIAL IF THEY CHOOSE TO IN THE FUTURE.
BUT WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A PID AND HAVE THIS BUBBLE OUT THERE OF WOULD BE COMMERCIAL THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ASSESSED IN THE
FUTURE. >> AND THEN IF WE DO THE FINAL ADJOURNMENT TONIGHT, THAT DOESN'T PREVENT THEM FROM STILL WORKING WITH STAFF. IT JUST STARTS THE CLOCK.
>> CORRECT. GIVES THEM SIX MONTHS.
>> THIS IS THE BOUNDARY WE'RE DOING. WE'RE NOT APPROVING WHAT THE ASSESSMENTS LOOK LIKE.
WE'RE NOT APPROVING WHAT THE ACTUAL COMMUNITY BENEFITS ARE.
>> TO CREATE THE PID, YOU CREATE THE BOUNDARY.
WE DID PROVIDE A COPY OF THE PID POLICY.
WE PUT THE PID POLICY, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE YOUR FINANCIAL PLAN ALL WORKED OUT.
THEIR FINANCIAL PLAN IS NOT ALL WORKED OUT. THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THEY STILL NEED TO DO. THEN THE OTHER THING IS, IF THEY DON'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PID IN THREE YEARS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE PID FINANCING DOCUMENT, THEY WOULD PUT A DISSOLUTION PETITION IN ESCROW. SO IF THIS WHOLE THING DOESN'T WORK OUT, THERE'S A WAY TO DISSOLVE THE PID.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS FROM THE PID POLICY THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT IN A PID FINANCING AGREEMENT BEFORE YOU APPROVE THE AREA OF THE PID IN THE STAFF'S OPINION.
>> SO THIS IS -- THIS IS APPROVING THE BOUNDARIES, BUT YOU JUST SAID IF WE -- YOU JUST SAID THEY DON'T HAVE THE BOUNDARIES SOLIDIFIED, CORRECT?
>> THEY HAVE THE OVERALL AREA OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE 90% RESIDENTIAL, 10% COMMERCIAL.
THOSE BOUNDARIES WITHIN THE ENTIRE AREA HAVEN'T BEEN WORKED OUT.
AND STAFF, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE WOULD PREFER THEY CREATE THE PID ON THE RESIDENTIAL AND GET A SURVEY OF THE RESIDENTIAL BOUNDARY. AND THEN IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO COMMERCIAL IN THE FUTURE, DO A SECOND PID ON THE COMMERCIAL
IS INTERPRETING EVERYTHING WE AS A STAFF HAVE GONE THROUGH ON THE PID SIDE.
OUR BOND COUNCIL, OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS.
EVERYONE IS SUGGESTING THE SAME THING.
THAT IS WHAT MS. PA LUM BOW IS OUTLINING.
IF WE ARE DEFINING THE TOTALITY OF THAT PID BOUNDARY AND NOT SPLITTING UP WHATWHAT RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL SPLIT IS GOING TO PHYSICALLY LOOK LIKE, TYPICALLY WE HAVE A MORE DETAILED CONCEPT PLAN AND WE'RE ABLE TO TIE CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THAT PID THAT THE PID IS GOING TO BE PAYING FOR. NOT HAVING THAT COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THINGS VETTED OUT IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM IS
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ESSENTIALLY PERMITTING THE LEVEEING OF ASSESSMENTS ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE WITH A BIG UNKNOWN AS TO WHAT TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS WOULD FUND THE COMMERCIAL SIDE AND VICE VERSA. THIS ONE'S BEEN THROUGH SOME -- AMENDMENT TYPE THINGS, QUITE A BIT OF DOCUMENTATION NEEDED TO BE BUTTONED UP ON THE BACK END.STAFF HAS BEEN VERY, VERY THOROUGH WE'RE NOT PUSHING SOMETHING THROUGH ON THE STAFF SIDE WE DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE RECOMMENDING.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE.
>> HERE'S MY QUESTION. WHEN THIS CAME UP AT THE LAST MEETING, THE ONLY THING WE WERE MISSING WAS EXHIBIT A.
THE RESOLUTION, AS I REMEMBER, SAID IT'S GOING TO BE A RESIDENTIAL PID ONLY. AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE AN EXHIBIT.
THEY SAID THEY HAD IT AND WE HAD IT BACK FOR THIS WEEK WITH THE NEW EXHIBIT, IS HOW I REMEMBER
IT. >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S --
>> HOLD ON. I'M GOING BACK LAST MEETING. THAT WAS THE ISSUE. HERE WE ARE AT THIS MEETING AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S LIKE GROUNDHOG DAY. IT'S THE EXACT SAME THING AGAIN. WE DON'T HAVE THE EXHIBIT.
MY QUESTION IS, WHY IS AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA WHEN A COUNCILMEMBER CAN'T GET AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA UNLESS WE PROVIDE ALL THE INFORMATION 4 14 DAYS IN ADVANCE? WHY IS THIS ON THE AGENDA? WHY ARE WE DISCUSSING IT IF IT'S NOT READY TO BE VOTED ON?
>> STATE LAW, YOU ADJOURNED IT TO THIS DATE, SO WE HAD TO PUT IT ON THIS AGENDA.
>> INSTEAD OF STAFF SAYING WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THIS, WHY ISN'T THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THEY'RE NOT READY, ADJOURN IT TO ANOTHER MEETING. INSTEAD THE RECOMMENDATION IS, HEY, DON'T APPROVE THIS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR OTHER THINGS FIGURED OUT WHEN REALLY THE ISSUE IS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ADJOURNED.
>> YOU CAN DENY THIS. YOU CAN SIMPLY SAY DENIED, START OVER.
>> I'M NOT COMMUNICATING EFFECTIVELY HERE.
I FEEL LIKE YOU WANT US TO DENY IT. SO EACH MEETING IT'S HERE ALL THE REASONS YOU SHOULDN'T OR SHOULD DENY IT OR APPROVE IT.
INSTEAD THE ISSUE IS WE DON'T HAVE EXHIBIT A TO HAVE A VOTE. SO WHETHER WE WANTED TO APPROVE IT OR NOT, WE COULDN'T APPROVE IT BECAUSE WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE SAME EXHIBIT WE DIDN'T HAVE TWO WEEKS AGO.
I FEEL LIKE MY TIME IS BEING WASTED BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PREPARED. TO ME, WE SHOULD BE PREPARED TO APPROVE OR DENY EVERY ITEM. IF YOU'RE BRINGING ME ITEMS THAT ARE ONLY GOOD ENOUGH TO BE DENIED BUT NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE APPROVED IT'S KIND OF A RIGGED SYSTEM. IN THE FUTURE, I WOULD LIKE IT TO SAY THEY DON'T HAVE EXHIBIT A WE'RE WAITING ON AND STAFF RECOMMENDS ADJOURNING TO THE NEXT MEETING. THEN IT WOULD BE EASY.
WE'RE NOT DEBATING IT. IT'S JUST ADJOURN TO NEXT MEETING. NOBODY FROM THE DEVELOPMENT IS HERE, WHICH I THINK IS ODD.
>> CORRECT. THEY REQUESTED THAT THE ITEM BE PULLED. AS DOTTIE HAS INFORMED US WEWE TO HAVE THE OPENING PART OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE IT CARRIED FORWARD FROM THE LAST ONE. LAST MEETING WHEN THE AGENDA ITEM WAS UP THERE WERE MULTIPLE SLIDES IN YOUR BACKUP DOCUMENTATION THAT OUR ACTING SERVICES -- MATT RECTOR HAD GONE THROUGH WHAT WE DIDN'T THINK ALIGNED WITH OUR POLICY AND WHY WE WERE RECOMMENDING CERTAIN THINGS. THE DEVELOPER DID PROVIDE FEEDBACK. AS ANOTHER REMINDER, OUR GENERAL TIMELINE SO GET THINGS ON THE AGENDA IS TWO FRIDAYS BEFORE THE DATE. THE BACK AND FORTH THERE WAS HOPING THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOMETHING RESOLVED BY THE TIME THIS CAME ON.
IF NOT, WE SET BACK THE ENTIRE PROCESS ANOTHER TWO WEEKS ESSENTIALLY. SO STAFF'S BEEN REALLY WORKING HARD TO BALANCE THE INTERNAL TIMELINES WITH OUR ABILITY TO WORK WITH DEVELOPERS.
BUT AT THE MEETING THAT WE JUST HAD THE PREVIOUS MEETING, THERE WAS A VERY DETAILED ESSENTIALLY LIKE AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET THAT DETAILED THE OTHER ITEMS THAT STAFF FOUND TO BE OUTSTANDING ON TOP OF THE EXHIBIT A ISSUE THAT OUR LEGAL COUNSEL HAD SPOTTED.
>> WE JUST HEARD AT NOON TODAY THAT THEY WANTED TO CONTINUE AND TO CONTINUE --
THAT WE WERE STILL NOT RECOMMENDING
CORRECT. >> AT NOON TODAY THEY ASKED FOR THE CONTINUANCE.
>> I'M NOT EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATING.
I'LL HAVE TO TALK TO -- -- OFF CHANNEL. BECAUSE COUNCILMEMBER GORDON WANTED TO MOVE THE ITEM UP.
OTHER TIMES WE START A MEETING AND PEOPLE SAY, HEY, THIS ITEM THEY WANT THIS PULLED.
THIS MEETING, NOTHING. WE CONTINUE.
I FEEL LIKE AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE HAVE TO PUTT OR GET OFF THE GREEN.
TIME-OUT. EVEN IF WE WANTED TO APPROVE IT, WE STILL DON'T HAVE WHAT YOU NEED. I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE WASTING TIME. I WANT TO MOVE ON.
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I'LL RESCIND THE MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO -- WHAT'S THE TERMINOLOGY, CONTINUE?>> ADJOURN TO WHAT? JANUARY 5TH?
>> I BELIEVE THE 8TH IS OUR FIRST.
>> I WOULD GIVE THEM SOME TIME. IF THE COUNCIL, ONE, IS GOING TO CONTINUE -- IS GOING TO CONSIDER WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, IT'S FORM THE PID OVER THE RESIDENTIAL, LEAVE THE COMMERCIAL FOR A SECOND PID. THAT SHOULD BE PART OF YOUR MOTION. IF YOU AGREE WITH STAFF. BECAUSE THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK WITH THEIR DETAILED PLAN ON THE COMMERCIAL -- I MEAN, ON THE RESIDENTIAL.
>> I JUST WANT TO ADJOURN IT TO THE 8TH, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF KNOWS WHAT THEY WANT, BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU AT THE LAST MEETING I WAS COMPLETELY OKAY WITH THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS. IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT THEY'RE TELLING US IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE RESIDENTIAL. THEY SAID IN THE RESOLUTION IT WAS GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL. WE'RE MISSING EXHIBIT A.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE'S EXHIBIT A FLOATING AROUND OUT THERE SOMEWHERE.
IF I HAVE TO CALL THE GUY AND SAY CAN YOU PLEASE PROVIDE EXHIBIT A --
>> EXHIBIT A CONSISTS OF THE ENTIRE AREA, BUT THEY'RE NOT TELLING YOU EXACTLY WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL IS GOING TO BE AND WHERE THE COMMERCIAL IS GOING TO
IF THEY CAN'T PROVIDE IT BY THEN, THEN JUST TELL ME HOW TO KILL THE WHOLE THING SO WE CAN FREE UP STAFF TIME AND MOVE ON, IN MY MIND.
>> CAN YOU CLARIFY THE INTERNAL DEADLINE FOR THE JANUARY 8TH MEETING, WHEN I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT BACKUP DOCUMENTATION GIVEN THE DOCUMENTATION?
>> DEVELOPERS DON'T GET TO ENJOY CHRISTMAS.
>> THEY'RE ASKING TO POSTPONE TO JANUARY 8 TH OR JANUARY 22ND. IN DEFERENCE TO EVERYBODY, I DON'T THINK OVER THE HOLIDAYS WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS WORKED OUT.
>> IN AN EFFORT TO MOVE ONTO ITEM 9. 2, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO JANUARY 22ND.
ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.
[9.2. Conduct a public hearing and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2025-056 to amend the Code of Ordinances (2020 edition, as amended), Chapter 4, Site Design Standards, of the City of Hutto, by amending Section 10.410.7.5 Temporary Religious Sign Display. (Matt Rector) ]
>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 9. 2, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE 0-2025- 056 TO AMEND THE CODE OF ORDINANCES 2020 EDITION, CHAPTER 4, SITE DESIGN STANDARDS OF THE CITY OF HUTTO, BY AMENDING SECTION 10.410.7. 5 TEMPORARY RELIGIOUS SIGN DISPLAY.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
>> YOU USE YOUR 15 MINUTES NAMING THEM ALL.
A FEW MEETINGS BACK THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE TOOK IT TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON NOVEMBER 4TH AND AGAIN ON DECEMBER 2ND.
SO BASICALLY IT IS AMENDING THE CURRENT UDC TO ALLOW TEMPORARY RELIGIOUS SIGNAGE AND THEN WORKING WITH PNZ WE CAME UP WITH A LIST OF -- I THINK IT WAS EIGHT -- SORRY, NINE RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW THIS PROCESS IS GOING TO PLAY OUT. SO BASICALLY BEFORE THEY CAN PUT UP ANY SIGNAGE, THEY HAVE TO SEND IN AN APPLICATION. THE APPLICATION HAS TO INCLUDE A COPY OF THE AGREEMENT SAYINGSAYING THEY ARE RENTING THE PROPERTY OR BORROWING THE PROPERTY FROM A NONPROFIT OR FROM A SCHOOL OR SOMETHING OF THAT EFFECT.
IT MUST IDENTIFY THE ADDRESS AND THEIR MEETING DATES.
THEY HAVE TO NOTIFY US FIVE DAYS IN ADVANCE OF ANY CHANGES TO THE EVENTS SO THAT IF THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE THEIR HOURS OR WHATEVER, THEY HAVE TO NOTIFY US FIVE DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THAT. ANY TEMPORARY SIGNAGE MAY BE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY, BUT IT CANNOT BE WITHIN SITE TRIANGLES, UTILITY POLES OR TRAFFIC SIGNS.
IT'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT CAN STAND ON ITS OWN BASICALLY.
THEY CANNOT BE PLACED MORE THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE AND MORE THAN FOUR HOURS AFTER A MEETING.
IT HAS TO BE SECURELY PLACED AND MAINTAINED IN GOOD CONDITION.
IT IS GOING TO BE ENFORCED WITHOUT THE MESSAGES.
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WE'RE JUST GOING TO LOOK AT THERE'S A SIGN THERE, IT SHOULDN'T BE THERE, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, WHICH IS HOW WE DO SIGNAGE ANYWAY.THE LAST THING PNZ WANTED IS SOME SORT OF WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING THE SIGN SO IT'S NOT BLOCKING SOME VISIBILITY TRIANGLE OR IN THE RIGHT-OF- WAY OR SOMETHING THAT WE WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO DO. THOSE ARE THE NINE STEPS, NINE PIECES OF THE PROCESS, IF YOU WILL, THAT PNZ HAS RECOMMENDED. SO THAT ES 'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT FOR CONSIDERATION.
>> MATT, JUST TO GIVE CLARITY AND SO THAT ANYBODY THAT WATCHES THIS BACK HAS UNDERSTANDING AS TO HOW THIS CAME ABOUT, CAN YOU GO OVER THE SPECIFIC ISSUE OR COMPLAINT THAT PROMPTED THIS CHANGE? SO THAT WAY THERE'S HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE OF, YOU KNOW, WHY THIS HAPPENED, IF THIS IS APPROVED, WHAT THIS PERTAINS TO.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE LAST MEETING IN OCTOBER OR FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER, BUT WE HAD SEVERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS HERE HERE THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. IT WAS FRUSTRATION FROM SEVERAL CHURCHES WHO ACTUALLY EITHER RENT SPACE OR ARE BORROWING SPACE FROM ISDS OR OTHER NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS WHO WERE TRYING TO PUT UP TEMPORARY SIGNAGE LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THEY ARE MEETING AND WHAT THEIR EVENT IS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
PER OUR CURRENT UDC, THOSE SIGNS WERE NOT ALLOWED SO OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD COME IN AND REMOVE THE SIGNS OR ISSUE CITATIONS OR WHATEVER THE PROPER RESPONSE WAS.
SO THEY WERE GETTING A LOT OF FRUSTRATION AND ANGST ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WE'RE HERE. SO THEY CAME TO COUNCIL AND SAID WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO ADDRESS THIS, SO THAT'S WORKING WITH PNZ THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THIS PROCESS, THIS POLICY TO AMEND THE UDC TO ALLOW THIS PARTICULAR GROUP OF PEOPLE DO DO WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO.
>> SO TAKING THAT INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED BY PRESIDENT CLINTON COMMENT, THAT'S WHAT INFORMED THIS CHANGE?
>> SO DID YOU FEEL LIKE THERE WAS NO NEED TO GOGO TO THESE INDIVIDUALS TO MAKE SURE, HEY, IS THIS KIND OF CAPTURING WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO IN YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT? WAS ANY CONSIDERATION PROVIDED THERE? OR ARE YOU PRETTY CONFIDENT YOU TAKE THAT FEEDBACK AND INCORPORATE IT INTO CHANGE LIKE THIS?
>> I'M NOT CHASTISING YOU OR ANYTHING.
>> YEAH. SO I FEEL LIKE WE'VE ADDRESSED THE PROBLEM. I DIDN'T FEEL THAT WE NEEDED TO GO BACK TO -- HONESTLY, I'D HAVE TO CHECK WITH CITY SECRETARY TO SEE IF WE HAVE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO CAME AND SPOKE PUBLICLY. I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE NEEDED TO. I FELT LIKE THIS ADDRESSED THE PROBLEM. IT ALLOWS THEM TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, BUT GIVES US A DEFINED POLICY AND PROCESS FOR THEM TO FOLLOW. I THINK IT'S A WIN- WIN FOR
>> MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 0-2025-0- 6
IS PRESENTED. >> DID YOU OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING?
>> WE'VE GOT TO DO PUBLIC HEARING.
THANK YOU. WE'LL OPEN IT TO PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:13 P.M. IF ANYONE WISHES TO COME UP AND SPEAK REGARDING THE RELIGIOUS TEMPORARY SIGNS.
>> PASTOR -- BAPTIST CHURCH. OUR CHURCH WAS ONE OF THE CHURCHES THAT GOT FLAGGED OR CONTACTED BY THE RESOURCE OFFICER. I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING THIS OUT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IT UP. THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO CONSIDER IS THE FOUR HOURS PRIOR. WE USED TO PUT THEM UP ON SATURDAY. THE SCHOOL GAVE US PERMISSION TO PUT THEM OUT ON SATURDAY. I KNOW SOME OF THE CHURCHES IN TOWN THAT USE SCHOOLS DO PUT SIGNS OUT ON SATURDAY, WHICH IT DOES HELP, YOU KNOW, WITH JUST TRYING TO GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION, BUT FOUR HOURS PRIOR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THERE AT 10:30, SO THAT MEANS AT 6:00 IN THE MORNING WE CAN ONLY PUT THEM OUT AT 6:30 IN THE MORNING. WE DO TAKE THEM DOWN AT THE END OF OUR SERVICES THAT DAY, SO WE WOULDN'T NEED FOUR HOURS AFTER. I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD DO THAT.
BUT THAT WOULD BE ONE CONSIDERATION I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO DO TO AT LEAST CONSIDER
I'M GLAD YOU CAME UP. I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU TO COME UP. I WAS ASKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE FOUR HOUR.
MY OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS -- AND MATT, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DETAILS OF IT -- SO SOME CHURCHES HAVE LIKE A MORNING SERVICE AND THEN LIKE AN EVENING OR AFTERNOON SERVICE. SO WITH THE FOUR
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HOUR, WOULD THEY NEED TO PUT THEM UP AND TAKE THEM DOWN TWICE IN A DAY? OR WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO LEAVE THEM UP FOR THE WHOLE SUNDAY AND TAKE THEM DOWN AFTER THEIR EVENING SERVICE? KIND OF WHAT WAS THE INTENTIONTHERE? >> I MEAN, I THINK GENERALLY IF YOU FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE POLICY, THEY WOULD NEED TO -- SO IF A CHURCH SERVICE, LET'S SAY, ENDS AT NOON AND THEIR EVENING SERVICE STARTS AT 7:00 P.M.
, BY THE LETTER OF THE LAW THEY WOULD NEED TO TAKE IT DOWN BY 4:00 P.M. AND PUT IT BACK UP BY 3 P.M. 3:00 P.M.
IT'S KIND OF AN OVERLAP. I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY IS ACTUALLY GOING TO CALL THEM OUT ON THAT BECAUSE THERE IS THAT OVER HOUR OVERLAP THERE.
>> YEAH. >> THERE IS A BIGGER GAP. I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENTION FROM PNZ TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE TAKING THEM DOWN AND LEAVING ROAD FRON FRONTAGES CLEAR OF CLUTTER, WHICH WAS THE INTENT OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
>> IT'S ANNUALLY, MEANING THEY DON'T HAVE TO SUBMIT IT EVERY WEEK. THEY CAN SUBMIT ANNUALLY.
IF THEY KNOW OF SPECIAL SERVICES THEY'RE GOING TO BE HOLDING LIKE A CHRISTMAS EVE SERVICE OR SOMETHING, THEY CAN PUT THAT IN THAT APPLICATION. BUT IF THEY HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT THAT WAS UNPLANNED AT THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, THEY WOULD NEED TO GO IN AT LEAST FIVE DAYS AHEAD, SUBMIT AN UPDATE AND SAY WE HAVE A SPECIAL SERVICE ON THIS NIGHT AND THERE'S STILL LEEWAY FOR THEM TO DO THAT. FIVE DAYS SEEMS PRETTY REASONABLE TO ME.
>> I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:16.
>> I WAS TALKING. I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.
>> MATT, I WANT TO KIND OF HONE IN. SO THESE SIGNS, DO WE HAVE ANY -- DO WE HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR PERMANENT BUSINESSES THAT PUT OUT SIGNAGE THAT IS FOR AN EVENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, DO THEY ABIDE BY THE SAME RULES AND RESTRICTIONS AS SOMEONE THAT'S UTILIZING A SPACE TEMPORARILY?
>> NO. THIS WAS SPECIFICALLY STATED FOR TEMPORARY RELIGIOUS SIGN DISPLAY.
SO WE DID NOT -- SORRY. THE CHRISTMAS ORNAMENTS ARE FALLING OFF. SO WE DID NOT APPLY THIS TO THE ENTIRE SPECTRUM OF PEOPLE WHO MIGHT WANT TO PUT UP TEMPORARY SIGNS.
THERE'S ALREADY PROVISION IN THE UDC FOR TEMPORARY SIGNAGE.
THIS WAS SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN TO ADDRESS THIS QUESTION ABOUT RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS.
>> TO PIG GYBACK ON THAT THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS. WHERE DOES IT DEFINE WHAT A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION IS? DOES IT HAVE TO BE A 501 C 3? IS ANYWHERE IN THE DOCUMENT DESCRIBING A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION?
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN DESCRIBE A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION, ONLY BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT OUR CITY, THERE'S SO MANY RELIGIONS IN HERE NOW.
>> TO ME, WHEN YOU DO THESE THINGS, THIS IS THE ONE THING I THINK WE SOMETIMES STRUGGLE WITH AS A GOVERNMENT IS WE TRY TO DEFINE AND NAIL EVERYTHING DOWN.
SO THEN SOMETHING -- I THINK YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT.
IT'S SOMETHING THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW.
MY VIEW IS RELIGION IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER.
THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT PRACTICE SOMETHING THAT I DON'T NECESSARILY BELIEVE IN, BUT WHO AM I TO JUDGE THEM? SO THEN I THINK IF IT BECOMES AN ISSUE WHERE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S CLEARLY NOT RIGHT, THEN I THINK WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT AS A COUNCIL AT THAT TIME AND COME BACK. BUT I THINK IF WE TRIED TO DO THAT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO END UP INFRINGING ON SOMEBODY'S POTENTIAL RIGHTS.
>> I AGREE WITH YOU, MAYOR. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I POINTED OUT TO OUR STAFF WHEN WE HAD STAFF ABOUT THIS PROCESS.
I WAS LIKE, WE CAN'T HONE IN TOO MUCH ON ANY SPECIFIC RELIGION OR ANY SPECIFIC DEFINITION, BECAUSE THE MINUTE WE DO THAT, THEN WE'RE ALIENATING SOMEBODY ELSE. THAT OPENS A WHOLE ISSUE FOR CITY COUNCIL. WE KEPT IT AS VAGUE AS WE COULD, BUT TRIED TO HONE IN JUST ON RELIGIOUS ACTIVITIES AND AN AGREEMENT WITH A NONPROFIT OR A SCHOOL TO BE USING THEIR PROPERTY ON A TEMPORARY
BASIS. >> BECAUSE SOMEBODY WOULD SAY THERE ARE SOME POLITICAL THINGS THAT PEOPLE TREAT LIKE
YOU COULD GET OUTSIDE OF THIS VERY EASILY.
THEN IT'S LIKE -- THIS IS A RHETORICAL QUESTION.
WHAT'S THE SPIRIT OF SEPARATING TEMPORARY SIGNS JUST FOR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS UNLESS IT'S FOR LIKE A SERVICE OR A SPECIAL EVENT, NATIVITY OR CHRISTMAS, ADVENT, WHATEVER. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WHERE THIS CAME FROM, BUT NOT - - AGAIN, RHETORICAL QUESTION.
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>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 0-2025- 056 AS PRESENTED WITH THE CHANGE FOR THE FOUR HOURS BEFORE TO 18 HOURS.
>> THE REASON I CAME UP WITH 18 IS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT IT TO BE TO WHERE PEOPLE ARE -- SATURDAY SERVICE, THEY WAKE UP FRIDAY MORNING AND IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED THAT THE REASON I CAME UP WITH 18 HOURS, IF YOU DID A DEAL OF EIGHT, A SERVICE AT 8:00, IT DOESN'T HELP YOU TO POST IT AT 4:00.
IF YOU GO 12 HOURS, 8:00 IT'S STILL DARK.
TOMORROW MORNING'S RELIGIOUS SERVICE, DON'T FORGET.
THEN IF YOU DO 15, YOU'RE AT 5:00.
THEN AT DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME IT'S DARK THEN TOO.
SO AT 18 HOURS THAT SHOULD BE 2:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.
YOU CAN PUT THEM OUT FOR THE NEXT DAY TO HAVE AN 8:00 A.M.
SERVICE, AND THAT COVERS YOU AT THE WAY THROUGH THE NIGHT. BECAUSE, AGAIN, THERE ARE SOME RELIGIOUS THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING, YOU KNOW.
I MAY HAVE CHURCH ONLY UNTIL 6:00 AT NIGHT AND THAT'S IT. BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT GO ON.
AT MIDNIGHT THERE'S A PARTICULAR WORSHIP THAT GOES ON BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING.
TRY TO FIGURE OUT WITHOUT SAYING OKAY YOU CAN DO IT THE DAY BEFORE BECAUSE IT WAS HAPPENING THE DAY BEFORE.
THAT'S WHERE I CAME UP WITH 18.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY UP TO 24, BUT I THINK 18 IS PROBABLY
SUFFICIENT. >> MATT, DO WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT THE SIGNAGE NEEDS TO BE? BECAUSE I SEE YOU PUT FEATHER FLAGS. LIKE, IS THERE -- DO YOU HAVE HESITATIONS LIKE YOU CAN'T USE POSTER BOARD? YOU CAN'T PUT OUT, YOU KNOW, A LARGE WOODEN SIGN? DO YOU HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT THAT THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION? OR DO YOU FEEL PRETTY GOOD WITH THE SIGNAGE?
>> I DON'T WANT TO BOIL THE OCEAN BUT --
>> BASICALLY WE'RE REFERRING THEM BACK TO THE SAME SIZE SIGNAGE ALLOWED IN THE CURRENT TEMPORARY LANGUAGE.
ALL OF THE SAME RULES WOULD STILL BE IN PLACE. IT CAN'T JUST BE WE'RE GOING TO THROW UP A PIECE OF POSTER BOARD AND WE'RE GOOD.
IT'S GOT TO FOLLOW THE SAME RULES.
WE'RE JUST MAKING AN EXCEPTION TO THAT RULE TO SAY YOU CAN PUT IT OUT THERE 18 HOURS IN ADVANCE. IT'S GOT TO BE REMOVED FOUR HOURS AFTER AND YOU'VE GOT TO FOLLOW THIS
THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
>> SORRY. RICK HUDSON, CHAIR OF PLANNING AND ZONING. ONE OF THE REASONS WE WENT WITH FOUR HOURS IS FOR THOSE LET'S SAY WEEKNIGHT EVENTS, WEEKNIGHT SERVICES.
ONE YOU'RE PROBABLY ALL FAMILIAR WITH IS ASH WEDNESDAY. WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE SIGNS ADVERTISING THIS DURING SCHOOL HOURS IF THEY'RE CONDUCTING THIS AT A SCHOOL. SO IF IT'S FOUR HOURS BEFORE, THAT'S PROBABLY AFTER SCHOOL'S OUT. HERE YOU GO. THIS IS WHERE THE ASH WEDNESDAY SERVICE IS.
>> BUT I THINK YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT WITH THE CONTRACT THEY'VE GOT WITH THE SCHOOL, BECAUSE THE SCHOOL IS GOING TO SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T PUT IT UP DURING SCHOOL HOURS, RIGHT?
>> BUT THAT WAS OUR RATIONALE FOR FOUR HOURS.
>> AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER GORDON. THAT TO ME IS AN ISD OR WHEREVER THEY'RE MEETING AT ISSUE.
>> WELL, I'M WONDERING IF 18 HOURS IS EVEN LONG ENOUGH, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME CHURCHES, SOME RELIGIONS THAT MEET ON SATURDAYS.
SO CAN WE GO -- IS 24 HOURS EVEN LONG ENOUGH FOR THAT?
>> RIGHT. SO DO WE DO 24 HOURS OR LONGER? BECAUSE IF I'M HEARING WHAT I'M HEARING CORRECTLY IS THAT SOME CHURCHES THAT DO MEET ON SUNDAYS WOULD WANT TO PUT SIGNAGE OUTOUT DAY BEFORE, RIGHT?
>> YEAH. SO IF THERE'S CERTAIN RELIGIONS THAT MEET ON SATURDAYS AND OTHER RELIGIONS THAT MEET UNTIL THE EVENING OF SUNDAYS, WOULD THAT ESSENTIALLY BE 24 OR 48 HOURS?
>> CAN'T THE RELIGION WHO MEETS ON SATURDAY JUST POST THEIR STUFF OUT ON FRIDAY?
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>> 18 HOURS IS 18 HOURS BEFORE THE START OFOF EVENT.
IF THE EVENT IS YOUR CHURCH SERVICE SATURDAY AT NOON, YOU COULD PUT IT OUT 18 HOURS BEFORE THAT. IF YOUR CHURCH DOESN'T MEET UNTIL SUNDAY, YOU COULD PUT IT OUT 18 HOURS BEFORE THAT.
>> ASH WEDNESDAY, THEY COULD PUT IT OUT TUESDAY AFTERNOON OR WHATEVER --
>> I'M KIND OF IN FAVOR OF WHAT COUNCILMEMBER GORDON SAYS REGARDING THE 24.
>> I WAS THINKING UP TO, SOMETHING LIKE THE UP TO 24 HOURS. I THINK 18 -- DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE TO YOU, PASTOR? DOES THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME?
>> BEFORE YOU CALL THE VOTE, WILL YOU ADD TO YOUR MOTION TO UPDATE THE CHARTER LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE? IT WAS THE OLD ORDINANCE THAT'S IN THERE.
>> THE CHARTER PROVISIONS IN THE ORDINANCE ITSELF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, PUBLISHED.
>> UPDATE CHARTER PROVISIONSPROVISIONS ORDINANCE. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT?
>> MM-HM. THERE'S A TYPO HERE TOO.
NOT TO EXCEED THE TOTAL OF SIX SIGNS.
THERE'S A HANGING IF. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING AFTER THAT OR NOT. IT'S NOT CROSSED OUT.
>> OKAY. >> IT'S IN RED THOUGH.
>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. NEXT WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 10. 1 THROUGH 10.17 UP FOR CONSIDERATION. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO --
>> I'D LIKE TO PULL 10. 1 AND 10. 5 PLEASE.
>> ANY OTHERS? IF NOT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BALANCE.
>> MORRIS. SECONDED BY GORDON.
APPROVING ITEMS 10. 2, 10. 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16 AND 17 AS PRESENTED. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE
[10. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS]
[10.1. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2026-351 authorizing the City Manager to execute an agreement with Yellowstone Landscape for City Mowing services in the amount of $393,000.20 through The Interlocal Purchasing System (TIPS). (Rick Coronado)]
>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 10. 1 CONSIDERING FOR POSSIBLE ACTION R- R-2026- 351 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH YELLOWSTONE LANDSCAPE FOR $393,000 THROUGH THE --
>> THE REASON I PULLED THIS IS I WANT TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTAND ING OF THE TRADEOFF BETWEEN USING TIPS AND RUNNING OUR OWN COMPETITIVE BID SPECIFICALLY ON PRICE VALIDATION, SCOPE AND WHETHER WE COULD POTENTIALLY GET BETTER VALUE OR MORE TAILORED SERVICES IF WE BID IT OURSELVES.
>> GOOD EVENING. RICK CORONADO, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. TO YOUR POINT, TIPS IS A -- WE CURRENTLY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH YELLOWSTONE IN THE AMOUNT OF $358,361 $358,361. AND THAT WAS A BID ITEM AS WELL.
I THINK THAT WAS IN OCTOBER OF 2024. WE WENT THROUGH THE BIDDING PROCESS. THAT WAS A TOTAL OF ABOUTABOUT 260 ACRES OF ACTUAL MOWING CONTRACT.
AND SO THAT WAS A COMPETITIVE BID THAT WE CONTINUED TO USE TODAY. WE WENT THROUGH AND THEY HAD A COMPETITIVE BID ALL THROUGH -- I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST SUMMER THROUGH THE TIPS PROCESS. SO WE NEEDED TO INCREASE OUR CURRENT ACREAGE BY ABOUT 10%, WHICH IS ABOUT -- THE QUOTE WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND $36,000
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FOR JUST THOSE 25 ACRES, WHICH WAS COMPETITIVE WITH THE SAME RATE WE RECEIVED BACK IN 2024.SO WE MATCHED THAT UP TO SAY, OKAY, WE KNOW A RESET OF THE CONTRACT FOR TWO YEARS AS COME TO COUNCIL ANYWAY.
IF IT EXCEEDS 50,000, SO IN TWO YEARS THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 70,000 WORTH OF ADDITIONAL SERVICES WE'VE ADDED OVER THE LAST YEAR. SO WE DID GO THROUGH A DUE DILIGENCE TO SEE IT WAS STILL COMPETITIVE. WE HAD ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT INFORMATION OR THAT AMOUNT HAD TO BE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.
SO WE HAD ALREADY PROPOSED ADDITIONAL BUDGET DOLLARS FOR THIS YEAR KNOWING THAT WE HAD AN ADDITIONAL 25 ACRES TO MOW FOR THIS YEAR.
SO WE WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS SO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S STILL VALID, COMPETITIVE AND WE STILL HAVE GOOD SERVICES FROM THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR. THAT'S KIND OF A LITTLE HISTORY, BUT IT ALSO VALIDATES SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAD TO DO TO REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THIS WAS STILL A GOOD QUOTE.
>> AND I SEE THEY'RE -- IF THIS DOES GO THROUGH, THAT THERE IS A REMAINING BALANCE OF
THERE'S STILL -- WE BUDGETED A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COME OUT TO BE. SO THERE'S STILL SOME REMAINING BALANCE. IF, SAY, THERE'S SOME AD HOC AREAS THAT WE HAVE TO MOW, BUT THE CITY IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO SUPPLEMENT SOME OF THESE AREAS AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW, ADD MORE AREAS. DEFINITELY THERE'S STILL A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM JUST IN CASE WE HAVE ADDITIONAL SERVICES THAT ARE REQUIRED.
>> RICK, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, BEFORE LAST YEAR WE WERE PIGGYBACKING OFF THE SAME CONTRACT FROM AN OLD 2016 OR 2017 CONTRACT. WASN'T LAST YEAR THE FIRST YEAR THESE GUYS HAVE MOWED OUR GRASS, OR AM I THINKING ABOUT THIS WRONG?
>> YELLOWSTONE -- THIS IS THE -- PROBABLY THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD YELLOWSTONE WITHIN THE LAST YEAR IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS. BEFORE THAT, WE HAD A DIFFERENT CONTRACTOR, UNITY. AND THAT ONE HAD BEEN IN SERVICE FOR SOME TIME.
>> IS THIS A DEAL I DON'T WANT TO SAY BLOW UP LIKE WE RUINED ITIT BUT IS THIS THE SAME ITEM THAT CAME UP A YEAR AGO AND WE SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, WHY DIDN'T WE BID THIS OUT AGAIN AND WE HAD YOU GUYS GO BACK AND BID IT OUT AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT WITH YELLOWSTONE OR AM I THINKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT --
MEMORY. >> DOES THAT SOUND KIND OF FAMILIAR?
>> WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF ISSUES WITH THE LAST CONTRACTOR, BUT I THINK WE HAD THAT CONTRACT FOR SOME TIME THAT WE HAD TO ESSENTIALLY COME TO A POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO BID IT OUT.
AND IT WAS A LITTLE -- THIS TIME AROUND WHEN WE DID BID IT OUT WE DID GET MORE COMPETITIVE PRICING ACROSS THE BOARD. WE ACTUALLY HAD LIKELIKE BIDDERS IN PUBLIC WORKS, WHICH IS PRETTY GOOD FOR A BID THIS SIZE.
>> YEAH. I APPRECIATE YOU PULLING THIS BECAUSE IT GIVES A DISCUSSION ON THIS. I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH CHANGING THIS. AS WE ADD THIS RIGHT-OF- WAY, ONE OF THE THINGS WE BROUGHT UP WHEN WE WERE BUILDING THE ACADEMY AND WE ALLOWED THAT TO USE THE CITY DETENTION POND -- GOING TO HAVE WATER GO INTO A CITY DETENTION POND, THEN TO ME THEY NEED TO TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE OF THE POND OR HELP WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF THE POND OR MOW IT OR WHATEVER. THAT WASN'T OUR VIEWPOINT BACK THEN, BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO LOOKLOOK AT AS A CITY IS AS WE GO FORWARD WHEN WE JUST DO THESE DEALS, YOU CAN SEE WE JUST START PAYING MORE AND MORE MONEY THAT NOW AS WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO DUMP INTO OUR DETENTION PONDS AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO DETENTION, ANY PRIVATE PERSON WOULD NEVER ALLOW THAT FOR FREE.
WE WOULD ALWAYS MAKE YOU PAY A PRO RATA SHARE OF THE MAINTENANCE. ALSO ANOTHER DEAL WE SAID NO TO, WE HAD A PERSON WANTING TO BUILD A SOLAR FIELD ON TOP OF A COUPLE OF OUR BIGGER DETENTION PONDS, AND THEY WANTED TO MAINTAIN THE POND FOR THE RIGHT TO PUT PANELS EIGHT FEET UP IN THE AIR. SO, TO ME, I'D LIKE US TO LOOK AT THAT NEXT YEAR WHEN WE COME UP BIDDING.
DO WE REALLY NEED TO BID OUT THE EXACT SAME ACREAGE OR HOW DO WE GET LESS ACREAGE? LESS ACREAGE IS LESS COST. IF SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO
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GRADE TWO FEET DOWN ON OUR DETENTION POND FOR MORE CAPACITY, THEY NEED TO MAINTAIN THE POND.THAT WAY WE CAN TAKE IT OFF OF OUR BACKS AND PUT THE RESPONSIBILITY ON THEM.
TO ME, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE THE DEVELOPERS LIKE THE ACADEMY THEY GRADED THE DETENTION POND TO HOLD THEIR WATER. THEN WE SAID THANKS AND WE TAKE CARE OF IT AND THEY GET IT FOR FREE. JUST SOME THINGS TO BRING UP FOR THE NEXT CONTRACT.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 10.1 AS PRESENTED.
>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER MORRIS. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE
[10.5. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-355 authorizing the City Manager to execute Change Order No. 8 with Joe Bland Construction, LLC. in the amount of $14,060 related to the FM 1660 and Limmer Loop construction project (CIP T-03-2023). (Matt Rector) ]
>> MOTION PASS 7-0. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 10.
5, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION R-2025- 355 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CHANGE ORDER NUMBER EIGHT WITH JOE BLAND CONSTRUCTION LLC IN THE AMOUNT OF $14,060 RELATED TO THE FM OF 1660 AND LIMMER LOOP CONSTRUCTION PROJECT
CIPT-03-2023. >> THE AMOUNT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. IT'S $3,843.
AFTER THIS CHANGE ORDER, ARE WE DONE? ARE WE FINISHED?
>> YES. SO THIS IS WHAT WE CALL A BALANCING CHANGE ORDER. SO THIS INCLUDES THE MAINTENANCE BOND, WHICH WAS A CHANGE THAT THEY NEEDED TO ADD. BASICALLY WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND LOOKED AT ALL THEIR ITEMS TO SEE THAT -- BECAUSE THEY HAVE OVERRUNS AND UNDERRUNS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. THIS IS THE MAINTENANCE BLOND -- BOND AND CLOSE IT OUT.
>> SO WE COME OUT AHEAD BY $3,000, ALMOST $4,000
BUCKS. >> I TRY TO SAVE YOU ANY PENNY I
CAN. >> THIS IS A CHANGE ORDER THAT ADDS A 30 WORKING DAYTIME EXTENSION DUE TO UNFORESEEN CONFLICTS WITH POWER LINES -- THIS PROJECT WAS LIKE 15 MONTHS BEHIND SCHEDULE.
WHAT WAS THE START AND END DATE ON THE CONSTRUCTION? A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS?
>> I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT SCHEDULE RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I DO KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THIS PROJECT WITH UTILITY COORDINATION AND UTILITY RELOCATION, GETTING ENCORE AND A FEW OTHERS OUT THERE TO GET THEIR STUFF MOVED. THAT'S WHY I REMEMBER I THINK IT WAS EARLIER THIS YEAR IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY COUNCIL THATTHAT LOOKED LIKE WE HAD SKIPPED PART OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE WE HAD DRAINAGE ON ONE SIDE AND DRAINAGE ON THE OTHER SIDE AND WE HAD NOTHING IN BETWEEN. THAT'S BECAUSE WE WERE WAITING ON UTILITY RELOCATES TO BE FINALIZED AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO THERE WERE A LOT OF HICCUPS WITH THIS PROJECT.
>> WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY -- WAS THAT PART OF THEIR CONTRACT TO RELOCATE THE UTILITIES?
>> SO THEY DO NOT. THERE WAS A CONSULTANT WHO WAS BROUGHT ONTO DO UTILITY COORDINATION. TYPICALLY THEY COORDINATE WITH THE UTILITY TO HAVE THEIR CONTRACTORS MOVE THOSE LINES OUT OF OUR WAY SO OUR CONTRACTOR CAN COME BEHIND THEM AND DO WHAT THEY NEED TO
DO. >> WHAT CONSULTANT IS THAT?
>> THAT DID THE UTILITY COORDINATION?
>> ARE THEY STILL ON OUR LIST OF VENDORS WE'RE USING?
>> THEY ARE NO LONGER ON OUR ROTATION LIST TO DO UTILITY COORDINATION FOR US.
>> DO WE HAVE THEM ON ANYTHING? SO THEY ARE ON OUR SURVEY LIST TO DO SURVEY FOR US.
>> I'D LIKE US TO LOOK AT TAKING THEM OFF.
THE REASON I SAY THAT IS, IN MY DAY JOB IF IT TAKES YOU TWO YEARS -- AND I REMEMBER THIS BECAUSE THE UTILITIES WE JUST SAT THERE FOR THREE OR FOUR MONTHS WAITING FOR A COUPLE. IF YOU CAN'T FIGURE THAT OUT IN THAT TIME FRAME, IF YOU CAN'T DO THAT, HOW DO YOU GET REWARDED WITH SURVEYING AND OTHER SERVICES? WE'VE GOT TO GET -- IN MY OPINION, WE'VE GOT TO GET TO BE A CITY WHERE YOU MEET DEADLINES, YOU GET MORE WORK.
YOU MISS DEADLINES, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR OTHER -- THE OTHER THINGS YOU CAN PROVIDE.
I DON'T WANT ANY OF THEM BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET THIS SIMPLE THING DONE.
I KNOW IT'S SIMPLE TO MOVE UTILITIES NOT THAT YOU GET
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IT DONE IN 30 DAYS. IT'S A PROCESS, BUT WHEN YOU KNOW THE CONTACTS AND THAT'S ALL YOU DO FOR A LIVING IS UTILITY RELOCATES, IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT.IT'S LIKE IF YOU SAID, HEY, I'M NOT ABLE TO DO SOMETHING, PART OF MY JOB. WE'D SAY WHY ARE YOU A CITY MANAGER OR CITY ENGINEER? YOU'D SAY I JUST NEED MORE
>> ALL RIGHT. I KNOW WE TALKED THE CITY MANAGER AND TALKED ABOUT THAT AFTER ACTION WHAT WENT WRONG BECAUSE THIS PROJECT -- I THINK WE STARTED --
>> THIS IS ONE OF THE THREE 1660 PROJECTS THAT STARTED AT THE SAME TIME AS THE ORIGINAL 13279 PROJECT IN LIKE 2019.
>> YEAH. THIS DAMN THING TOOK SO LONG BY THE TIME THEY GOT DONE WE NEED TO TEAR IT UP AND REDO IT. ALL RIGHT.
>> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 10. 5 AS PRESENTED.
>> MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER GORDON, SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER GORDON, JUST TO CONFIRM, THAT WAS 10.5?
>> MOTION PASSES 6-1. NEXT, WE HAVE ITEM 11.1.
WE HAVE A NOTE THAT IT WAS ASKED TO BE WITHDRAWN.
[12.1. Discussion and possible action to authorize staff to proceed with implementing the Darwin Al (Darwin Gov) platform for Al governance under existing purchasing authority. (David Amsler) ]
THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 12. 1, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE STAFF TO PROCEED WITH IMPLEMENTING THE DARWIN A.I. DARWIN. GOV PLATFORM FOR A.I. GOVERNANCE UNDER EXISTING PURCHASING AUTHORITY.>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
DAVID AMSLER. THE ITEM I HAVE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU TODAY IS A FOLLOW- UP DISCUSSION FOR OUR OVERALL A.I. POLICY AND GOVERNANCE AS A CITY.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE ARE BRINGING TO YOU IS NOT A BUDGET AMENDMENT, NOT AN AUTHORIZE OF PURCHASING.
IT IS TO SEEK GUIDANCE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL IF SOMEWHERE IN THE REALM OF A $27,000 EXPENSE IS SOMETHING THIS COUNCIL WOULD PRIORITIZE.
SO WHAT DARWIN A.I. ESSENTIALLY IS IN LAYMAN'S TERMS IS A FIRE WALL FOR ANY A.I. USE IN THE CITY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF OUR RESTRICTIONS IN OUR POLICY IS YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE YOUR PERSONAL E- MAIL FOR A.I.
USE IN THE CITY. THAT IS BECAUSE ALL A.I. USE IS SUBJECT TO OPEN RECORDS. IF WE'RE USING PERSONAL E- MAILS FOR THAT, THAT MAKES THAT A LITTLE WONKY AND DIFFICULT FOR US TO ACTUALLY HAVE CORRECT RETENTION SCHEDULES. SO IF I WAS TO BRING MY LAPTOP IN, LOG IN TO, SAY, CHATGPT, BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST POPULAR ONE, TO DO A.I. AND I WAS ON MY PERSONAL E- MAIL, THIS FIREWALL WOULD BLOCK YOU FROM BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. IT ALSO GIVES US THE ABILITY TO HAVE RETENTION SCHEDULES AND SET UP SPECIFIC POLICIES AND RULES OF, HEY, IF SOMEBODY PUTS IN PERSONAL IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION INTO A.I. , WE WANT TO KEEP THAT RECORD UP TO A YEAR OR WE WANT TO KEEP THAT RECORD UP TO SIX MONTHS. IF SOMEONE IS DOING A GENERAL SEARCH, THAT IS JUST OF ADMINISTRATIVE VALUE, WE WOULD PROBABLY ONLY HAVE THAT FOR ABOUT TWO WEEKS IN OUR RECORDS, BECAUSE MOST -- IT'S T SLACK, TEXAS LIBRARY COLLEGE -- I'M LOOKING AT LAURA.
SHE'S NOT LOOKING AT ME. IT STAND FOR THE PEOPLE THAT SET THE RETENTION SCHEDULES. BUT ANYTHING THAT'S ADMINISTRATIVE VALUE, WE DO NOT NEED TO KEEP. SO IT WOULD ALSO HELP WHEN WE ARE CREATING FINAL DELIVERABLES IF THERE WAS A.I. USE IN IT, IF THE PUBLIC WAS EVER CONCERNED OR WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT, IT WOULD BE EASIER TO PULL HOW THE A.I. WAS USED, WHAT QUESTIONS WERE ASKED. HUMAN OVERSIGHT.
DARWIN A.I. DOES NOT ACT INDEPENDENTLY.
IT CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT I.T. STAFF OR CITY STAFF
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PLACING IT TO DO SO. THE ENFORCEMENT WOULD BE BASED ON THE COUNCIL APPROVED POLICY AS WELL AS RULES BUILT AND MAINTAINED BY THE I.T. STAFF.HUMAN REVIEW IS REQUIRED TO INTERPRET THE DATA, TAKE ACTION AND THEN IF EVER NECESSARY APPLY DISCIPLINE WHEN NEEDED. AND THEN THESE ARE POTENTIALS.
WE ALL LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE WE HOPE THAT ALL OF OF OUR STAFF DO NOT MAKE MISTAKES AND DO NOT DO THINGS AGAINST POLICY, BUT THESE ARE IF INDIVIDUALS CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT.
SO A TERM USED A LOT IS SHADOW A.I.
THAT'S ALSO USED JUST IN THE I.T. REALM IN GENERAL.
IT'S CALLED ED SHADOW I.T. ESSENTIALLY THAT MEANS ANY UNAUTHORIZED USE OF I.T. OR CIRCUMVENTING I.T. OR A.I.
POLICIES THAT WE ARE NOT APPROVING, THIS ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO DETECT IT MUCH EASIER AND ENFORCE DISCIPLINARY ACTION.
AND THEN SOMETHING THAT I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN SEEING IN AND OUR SECURITY ADMINISTRATOR HAS BEEN SEEING IN THE A.I. WORLD IS THERE ARE A LOT OF WEBSITES POPPING UP, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE INTERNET IS GOING THROUGH A REBIRTHRIGHT RIGHT NOW. WHEN THE INTERNET WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED IT WAS KIND OF LIKE THE WILD WEST OUT THERE. A.I. IS THE EXACT SAME THING.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF MALICIOUS ACTORS CREATING A.I. WEBSITES ON HEY THIS WEBSITE IS ABLE TO DO THIS, THIS AND THAT BUT IT'S ACTUALLY CORRECTING YOUR DATA AND TRYING TO PHISH YOU AND FIGURE OUT WAYS TO PENETRATE YOUR NETWORK. SO THIS WOULD FLAG THOSE FOR US IF ANYONE WAS USING ONE OF THOSE IMMEDIATELY AND BLOCK IT. AND THEN WITH TRAGA, A STATE LAW PASSED THAT GOES INTO EFFECT JANUARY 6TH OF NEXT YEAR, IS MAKING SURE WE DO NOT USE A.I.
IN AN UNETHICAL MANNER. SOME OF THAT IS HUMAN ENGINEERING OR SOCIAL ENGINEERING OR ANYWAY THAT WE COULD USE A.I. TO DISCRIMINATE.
THIS WOULD MAKE SURE THAT'S NOT OCCURRING AS WELL. AND THEN ALSO FOR TECHNICAL QUESTIONS BECAUSE I DO NOT CLAIM TO BE AN A.I. EXPERT, I HAVE THE VENDOR HERE. HIS NAME IS DUSTIN HOUSELER IN CASE THERE ARE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ON HOW DOES THIS ACTUALLY PLUG INTO OUR SYSTEM. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
>> THEY MIGHT BE MORE ON THE TECHNICAL SIDE.
ONE IS, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS FOCUSED LARGELY ON EXTERNAL A.I. SERVICES LIKE
MM-HM. >> DOES THAT DO ANYTHING INVOLVING THE EMBEDDED STUFF LIKE IN THE MICROSOFT TOOLS THAT WE USE?
IT DOES HANDLE SAS BASED A.I. AS WELL AS EMBEDDED A.I. AND -- THAT.
GREAT QUESTION. >> THAT WAS MY OTHER QUESTION.
LAPTOPS AND THAT ARE GETTING MORE POWERFUL WHERE IT'S FEASIBLE TO RUN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OPEN SOURCE STUFF
I MEAN, I THINK THE BIGGEST THREAT WE'RE SEEING IS A LOT OF VENDORS YOU'RE ALREADY USING ARE BRINGING A.I. INTO THEIR RESPECTIVE APPLICATIONS, NOT ALWAYS ASKING FOR THE CITY'S PERMISSION IN DO THAT. SO WE CAN FLAG IT AND ENFORCE POLICY AGAINST IT.
RECORD. >> DUSTIN HICELER, CHIEF INFORMATION -- FOR DARWIN A.I.
>> DOES THIS APPLY ANY TO NEW EDGE A.I. THAT'S BEING, YOU KNOW, PUSHED OUT, NOT THE GENERATIVE A.I. , BUT PUSHED OUT TO DEVICES AND EVERYTHING? DOES THE CITY -- THIS MAY BE MORE OF A CITY QUESTION. IS THE CITY LOOKING AT HOW DO WEWE KIND ROPE THAT IN AS WELL?
>> SO ANY A.I. THAT'S DETECTED THAT HAS BEHAVIORAL SIGNATURES OF HAVING A.I. THAT'S LEVERAGING, TYPICALLY THEY'RE ALL LEVERAGING FRONTIER MODEL OR SOME EXISTING LANGUAGE MODEL THAT'S THERE. WE CAN DETECT THAT.
IF IT'S AN AUTHORIZED APPLICATION MAYBE COPILOT OR SOMETHING ELSE WITH THE RIGHT DATA SAFEGUARDS, WE CAN ALLOW CERTAIN USE CASES THAT ALLOW THAT. IF IT'S SOMETHING NEW, WE CAN ENFORCE POLICY AGAINST THAT. ON TH E THE AGENTIC FRONT IF THEY'RE RUNNING LOCALLY IF AN EMPLOYEE IS USING AN AGENT TO DO SOMETHING, WE CAN ENFORCE POLICY TO DO THAT. IF A CONSTITUENT IS DOING THAT ON YOUR WEBSITE, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. MORE SO THE --
>> SO AS THESE THINGS EVOLVE, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN
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A.I. SINCE GRAD SCHOOL IN THE AND '90S.THIS IS EXPLODING. AND SO WHAT I'M CONCERNED -- NOT CONCERNED BUT I ASSUME IS NEW TECHNOLOGIES OR NEW THREATS OR NEW POLICY, HOW DO Y'ALL MAINTAIN THAT THROUGH UPDATES AND HOW IS THAT IN THE CONTRACT AND HOW OFTEN IS THAT? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU PUSH OUT REALTIME? NOT IF THERE'S AN IMMEDIATE THREAT OBVIOUSLY, BUT HOW DO YOU REVISIT THAT WITHIN YOUR APPLICATION AND THE COMPANY SUPPORTING THE APPLICATION BUT ALSO AS YOU ROLL IT OUT TO YOUR CUSTOMERS?
>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO THE POLICY THAT WE HAVE THAT'S CODIFIED WITHIN THE DARWIN PLATFORM IS TYPICALLY A MIX OF YOUR EXISTING A.I. GUIDELINES SO SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS ON THE SCREEN IN TERMS OF COUNCIL- APPROVED A.I. POLICY AS WELL AS EXISTING RULES AND REGULATIONS LIKE TREGA IN TEXAS, YOUR OPEN RECORDS LAWS, YOUR TECHNOLOGY ACCEPTABLE USE PLAN, THERE'S PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX POLICIES THAT MAKE THAT UP. WE CODIFY THOSE INTO A SET OF RULES. WE TRACK STATE AND FEDERAL ACTION THAT MAY IMPACT THOSE POLICIES AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT SOMEONE THAT HAS A POLICY HAT WITHIN THE SOFTWARE WILL HAVE TO REVIEW AND APPROVE IT TO TAKE EFFECT WITHIN THE SYSTEM.
WE DO KEEP UP WITH IT AND TRACK ANY CHANGES TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES AS PART OF THAT PROCESS.
THERE'S NO EXTRA COST FOR THAT. IT'S KIND OF THE ASPECT OF HOW WE DO BUSINESS AND HOW WE WANT TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO KEEP UP WITH POLICY.
FROM AN EMPLOYEE STANDPOINT, WE KNOW EMPLOYEES ARE LEVERAGING A VARIETY OF SYSTEMS. THEY DON'T KNOW SOMETIMES IF THEY'RE USING A.I. OR NOT. SO WE WANT TO MAKE IT EASY FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND FROM A CHANGE MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT IF THEY DO SOMETHING WRONG. IT'S A VERY FRIENDLY DIALOGUE THAT POPS UP. IT SAYS WHAT YOU JUST UPLOADED HAD P. II, WE STOPPED IT. NEXT TIME DON'T DO I IT.
WE REALLY WANT THIS TO BE AN EMPLOYEE CENTRIC TOOL BUT SOMETHING THAT'S EASY FOR STAFF TO KEEP UP WITH POLICY CHANGES WHICH ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE FEDERAL E.O. ON A.I.
>> I'M SORRY I'M NOT MORE FAMILIAR.
IS THIS APPLICATION ONLY FOR TEXAS? AND DO YOU APPLY THIS OUT IN OTHER STATES?
>> WE HAVE TO KEEP TRACK OF EVERYBODY ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
QUESTION THROUGH THE SAME A.I. , LLM AND SEE DOESDOES CONVERGE OR DIVERGE. HOW LONG HAS THIS APPLICATION BEEN OUT AND HOW MANY APPLICATIONS HAVE THE SITES BEEN ROLLED OUT TO?
>> MAY OF 2024 IS WHEN THE COMPANY WAS CREATED.
I JOINED IN OCTOBER. PREVIOUSLY I WAS PRESIDENT OF -- MY BACKGROUND IS A.I. POLICY AND LEADING TECHNOLOGY WITHIN STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
IN TERMS OF OUR FOOTPRINT HERE IN TEXAS WE RECENTLY ROLLED OUT THE CAPITAL METRO.
WE HAVE CLIENTS ALL OVER THE U.S. IN WASHINGTON STATE, CALIFORNIA, CITIES, SPECIAL DISTRICTS, QUASI GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES, DANVILLE, WE HAVE CITIES ALL OVER THE NATION. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS. >> I APPLAUD THE CITY AND WORKING WITH OUR BUSINESS PARTNER HERE.
I THINK BEING ON THE EDGE OF THE EDGE IS IMPORTANT.
WE USED TO CALL IT THE BLEEDING EDGE.
IT'S LIKE YOU NEED TO BE ON THE EDGE OF THE EDGE, WHICH IS THESE POLICING RESOURCE AND OTHER SIGHT -- OVERSIGHT TOOLS.
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> MAKE A MOTION TO PROCEED WITH IMPLEMENTING WITH DARWIN A.I.
PLATFORM FOR A.I. GOVERNANCE WITH AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $28,000 AND FOR THEM TO PURSUE THROUGH RE- EVALUATION OF CURRENT AND BUDGET ITEMS TO PAY FOR IT.
>> SIR, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A.I. OTHER THAN IT SCARES ME. I'LL TELL YOU THIS.
I THINK YOUR SYSTEM ONLY WORKS IF THE OTHER A.I. -- IF YOUR SYSTEM IS STRONGER THAN THE OTHER ROGUE A.I. IF THE OTHER A.I. DOESN'T WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IT'S AN A.I. , YOU WON'T NOTICE IT. TO ME, THIS IS LIKE NOTHING MORE THAN THE RADAR DETECTOR AND THE RADAR. YOU'LL BE UP AHEAD ON SOMEBODY AND THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT WITH SOMETHING THAT CAN GET AROUND IT. THEN YOU EVER HAVE TO COME UP AND REDO IT. TO ME THIS IS THE START OF AN ESCALATION OF MONEY SPENT WHILE
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SOMEONE IN IRAN OR NORTH KOREA IS MAKING A ROGUE A.I.THAT'S GOING TO TELL THE COMPUTER IT'S NOT A.I. SO MAYBE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. MAYBE TERMINATOR 2 IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. I DON'T KNOW.
>> IT IS ABSOLUTELY AN EVOLVING TARGET.
THE ONE BENEFIT IS EVERYONE IS USING EVERYONE ELSE'S INFRASTRUCTURE. AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO FIND WAYS TO CHASE BACK TO THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER TO POLICE THAT. IN ADDITION, WE RUN THESE THINGS LOCALLY AS WELL. THAT WAY THEY CAN IDENTIFY THOSE SIGNATURES INDEPENDENT OF HAVING TO HAVE INTERNET CONNECTION OR HAVING TO USE A.I. AS AN ASPECT OF DOING IT. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
IT IS AN EVOLVING LANDSCAPE. IT'S ONE THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE NEW TOOL SETS .
WE'RE INVESTING A LOT FROM AN R & D STANDPOINT.
THERE'S A LOT OF AMBULANCE CHASERS GOING AFTER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES TO TRY TO GET -- THEY'RE SCANNING ORDINANCES AND RULES AND REGULATIONS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. THEY'RE SAYING, HEY, 67% OF THIS WAS WRITTEN BY GRAMMARLY OR CHATGPT. WE WANT TO GET AHEAD OF THAT AND MAKE SURE AGENCIES HAVE A WAY TO POLICE IT AND TO SAFEGUARD IT.
IT DEFINITELY IS AN EVOLVING LANDSCAPE. YOU HAVE MY COMMITMENT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK TO UNSURE THE GOVERNANCE OF HUTTO'S A.I. IS
WILL THIS ALLOW US TO KNOW LIKE IF DAVID HERE WRITES US A REPORT OR PRESENTATION BUT HE DIDN'T REALLY WRITE IT, A.I.
DID IT. WILL THIS PROGRAM ALLOW US TO KNOW HE DIDN'T DO HIS JOB AND HE HAD A COMPUTER DO IT?
>> THE PUBLIC RECORD ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE PROMPTS WOULD BE ARCHIVED BY DARWIN.
WE'RE NOT SCANNING YOUR RULES AND REGULATIONS TO TELL YOU WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THEM ARE CREATED. ANY USE OF A.I. ON AUTHORIZED USE CASES SUBJECT TO YOUR ATTORNEY'S INTERPRETATION WILL ABSOLUTELY HAVE.
>> IT'S AN ADD ON, A PATCH THEY'LL BE PROVIDING.
>> IS THERE ANY TRAINING THAT YOU CAN -- EITHER THE CITY CAN PUT TOGETHER -- I'M NOT TRYING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION NOW.
BUT TO STAY AHEAD OF THE GAME IS TO KEEP REGULARLY MAYBE TWICE A YEAR IS TO TRAIN STAFF ON WHAT TO LOOK FOR, WHAT NOT TO LOOK FOR, BEST PRACTICES, WORST PRACTICES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIRD PARTIES OF PUTTING SOMETHING TOGETHER MAYBE A WEBINAR OR WEBSITE OR SOMETHING TO HELP US KEEP UP TO SPEED.
>> YEAH. WE ALREADY HAVE IN OUR POLICY ONCE THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF INFORMATION RESOURCE PUTS OUT TRAINING, THAT THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN ALL OF OUR CYBERSECURITY TRAINING THAT IS ALREADY REQUIRED FOR CITY
>> ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.
>> WAS THE SECOND COUNCILMEMBER MORRIS?
>> MOTION PASSES 6-1. THAT BRINGS US TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. IT'S 8:58.
[13. EXECUTIVE SESSION ]
WE HAVE ITEM 13. 1 RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS CODE 55 -- CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY TO DELIBERATE AND SEEK LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING THE FOLLOWING MATTERS, THE OLANDER FARMS AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HUTTO AND KEITH ALAN OLANDER, KAREN N. OLANDER, JANET LYNN OLANDER, TIMOTHY EDWARD BARNARD AND HUTTO 40 LLC -->> WE'RE RECOMMENDING NO ACTION AND NOT TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE
SESSION. >> DOES ANYBODY WANT TO GO BACK THERE FOR THAT? THANK YOU FOR NOT MAKING ME READ ALL
>> SEE IN OUR LOCAL AGREEMENTS FOR THE ALLOCATION OF SALES TAX REVENUE BETWEEN THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY DISTRICT AND THE CITY OF HUTTO, TEXAS, ITEM 13.2.
ITEM 13. 3, RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE -- CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY AND DELIBERATIONS PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS 55. 087 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS RELATED TO PENDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS BEING CONSIDERED BY THETHE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND INCLUDE --
[14. ACTION RELATIVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION ]
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>> IT'S 10:41. WE'RE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION. NO ACTION WAS TAKEN.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 14.1. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ABOVE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZEAUTHORIZE TO DO THE ANNEXATION PURSUANT TO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH OLANDERS AND CONTACT THE TWOER DEVELOPER TO COORDINATE THE ZONING DURING THE ANNEXATION.
>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.
>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. WAS THERE ONE FOR 13.2?
[15. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS ]
NO, THERE WASN'T, RIGHT?15.1, GENERAL COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL.
>> I WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO RECOGNIZE OUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT AND OFFER MY APPRECIATION FOR ALL THE ACTIVITIES THEY'RE DOING THIS MONTH. THEY PUT ON SOME WONDERFUL ACTIVITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO I HOPE THE HUTTO COMMUNITY GETS OUT AND IS ABLE TO ENJOY THE TRAIL OF LIGHTS THIS MONTH BEFORE WE SAY GOOD- BYE FOR 2025.
AND THEN WITH THAT, I WANT TO WISH THE CITIZENS OF HUTTO A HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND A SAFE, PROSPEROUS AND PEACEFUL 2025 -- OR 2026.
>> 15. 2, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO WORD THIS OR MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.
WITH THE ISD ON THE TIA AT HIPPO WAY, IS THAT -- IF THERE'S ANY UPDATE ON STATUS ON THAT.
>> -- POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE TIA. HIPPO WAY.
>> THERE'S A SECOND THING FOR ISD.
>> I THOUGHT SOMETHING HAPPENED. YOU WERE JUST LOOKING
ANYTHING ELSE.
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