[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]
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WE'LL CALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THURSDAY, JANUARY 8TH, 2026 TO ORDER.
I'LL START WITH ROLL CALL. COUNCIL MEMBER
THORNTON. >> MAYOR SNYDER IS HERE.
NEXT, WE'LL RISE FOR OUR INVOCATION.
>> OUR DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE'RE SO GRATEFUL FOR THIS DAY.
WE'RE SO GRATEFUL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TO BE HERE TODAY AND THIS WONDERFUL CITY COUNCIL.
FATHER, WE PLEASE ASK THAT WE WILL BE LED IN OUR DECISIONS AND WHAT THEY CHOOSE TO DO FOR THE CITY AND WHETHER THE COUNCIL HAS IN STORE AND WHAT THEY WILL PLAN ON DOING. FATHER, WE LOVE YOU AND SAY THESE THINGS IN YOUR NAME, JESUS CHRIST.
AMEN. >> PLEASE JOIN ME IN A PLEDGE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.
[5.1. World Braille Day (DEIB Commission)]
>> NEXT WE HAVE SOME PROCLAMATIONS IF THE COUNCIL WILL JOIN ME UP FRONT.
>> THIS IS A PROCLAMATION FOR WORLD BRAILLE DAY. WORLD BRAILLE DAY IS CELEBRATED ANNUALLY ON JANUARY 4TH TO HONORHONOR BIRTHDAY OF LEWIS BRAILLE, THE INVENTOR.
THIS DAY TO RAISE AWARENESS OF THE IMPORTANCE OF BRAILLE TO THE INDEPENDENCE OF THE BLIND.
AND WHERE AS, BRAILLE PROMOTES LITERACY, INCLUSION AND EQUAL ACCESS TO INFORMATION, MARKING THE START OF BRAILLE LITERACY DAY.
AND WHERE AS BRAILLE IS RECOGNIZED AS A CODE RATHER THAN A LANGUAGE, A DISTINCTION REFLECTED IN ITS CONTINUED EVOLUTION SUCH AS THE INTRODUCTION OF THE UNIFIED ENGLISH BRAILLE, 2016. AND WHEREAS THE USE OF BRAILLE OFFERS EMPOWERMENT AND INDEPENDENCE, ENSURING THAT INDIVIDUALS CAN ACHIEVE EQUAL INDIVIDUAL PARTICIPATION IN SOCIETY.
VITAL TOOL FOR NAVIGATING DAILY LIFE.
ACCESS TO EVERYTHING FROM ELEVATOR BUTTONS TO DIGITAL CONTENT. AND WHEREAS, CELEBRATING WORLD BRAILLE DAY OFFERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THE CONTRIBUTION OF BRAILLE TO THE VISUALLY IMPAIRED COMMUNITY.
NOW THEREFORE WE THE CITY COUNCIL THE CITY OF HUTTO AS WORLD BRAILLE DAY AND ENCOURAGE ALL RESIDENTS TO RECOGNIZE THE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION OF THE BRAILLE SYSTEM AND PARTICIPATE IN EFFORTS THAT PROMOTE LITERACY, ACCESSIBILITY AND INCLUSION FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
I'M AN ENGAGEMENT SPECIALIST WITH THE TEXAS TALKING BOOK PROGRAM.
AND THE TALKING BOOK PROGRAM IS A FREE LIBRARY SERVICE FOR ALL TEXANS WHO ARE PRINT DISABLED.
WHETHER BECAUSE THEY ARE BLIND OR BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PHYSICAL DISABILITY THAT PREVENTS THEM FROM HOLDING A BOOK AND TURNING THE PAGES.
AND I AM JUST SO GRATEFUL TO BE HERE FOR THIS PROCLAMATION, AND I HAVE BROUGHT SOME MATERIALS.
IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN LEARNING BRAILLE, LEARNING ABOUT BRAILLE, PLEASE TAKE ONE OF THE BLACK BOOKLETS OR ONE OF THE BRAILLE ALPHABET CARDS OFF OF THAT TABLE AND PLEASE EXPLORE SOME OF THE BRAILLE BOOKS THAT ARE PART OF OUR COLLECTION. THANK YOU.
[5.2. Martin Luther King, Jr. Day (DEIB Commission)]
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>> THIS IS A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. DAY. WHEREAS DR. MARTYR LUTHER KING JR. WAS A VISIONARY LEADER WHOSE UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO JUSTICE, EQUALITY AND NONVIOLENCE HELPED TRANSFORM THE NATION AND ADVANCE CIVIL RIGHTS FOR ALL PEOPLE. WHEREAS DR. KING'S LEADERSHIP AND SACRIFICE INSPIRED THE PASSAGE OF LANDMARK CIVIL RIGHTS LEGISLATION AND STRENGTHENED THE PRINCIPALS OF FREEDOM, LIG ANITY AND THE OPPORTUNITY OF THAT ARE FUNDAMENTAL TO OUR DEMOCRACY AND WHEREAS DR. KING'S MESSAGE REMINDS US THAT PROGRESS IS ACHIEVED NOT ONLY THROUGH LAWS BUT THROUGH SERVICE, COURAGE, UNITY AND A SHARED COMMITMENT TO THE COMMON GOOD.
AND WHEREAS THE OBSERVANCE OF MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.
DAY SERVES AS BOTH THE CELEBRATION OF DR. KING'S LEGACY AND A CALL TO ACTION FOR INDIVIDUALS AND COMMUNITIES TO ENGAGE IN SERVICE, REFLECTION AND DIALOGUE. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF HUTTO VALUES DIVERSITY, INCLUSION, EQUITY AND RESPECT AND RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF FOSTERING A COMMUNITY WHERE ALL RESIDENTS FEEL WELCOME, HEARD AND EMPOWERED. AND WHEREAS, HONORING DR. KING'S LEGACY ENCOURAGES THE RESIDENTS OF HUTTO TO CONTINUE WORKING TOGETHER TO ADDRESS INJUSTICE, STRENGTHEN COMMUNITY RELATIONSHIPS AND PROMOTE UNDERSTANDING AND COMPASSION AMONG ALL PEOPLE. THEREFORE WE THE CITY COUNCIL DODO HEREBY PROCLAIM JANUARY 19TH, 2026, AS MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. DAY AND ENCOURAGE ALL HUTTO RESIDENTS TO OBSERVE THIS DAY THROUGH ACTS OF SERVICE, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, EDUCATION, AND REFLECTION.
HONORING DR. KING'S ENDURING LEGACY AND RECOMMITTING OURSELVES TO THE IDEALS OF EQUALITY, JUSTICE AND UNITY.
>> SO OUR COMMISSIONER, MR. HOLLAND WILL BE WITH US, THE SPONSOR÷÷ OF THE MLK COMMISSION. WE JUST WANT TO EXPRESS AGAIN OUR GRATITUDE FOR OUR COMMUNITY THAT ALLOWS A LOT OF VARIED AND DIVERSE VERSES TO BE HEARD AND JUST REMIND US THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT HAVE DIFFERENT ABILITIES OR COME FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS.
WE ALL DESERVE A VOICE AT THE TABLE AND WE CANNOT CHANGE SOMEBODY'S BELIEFS, WE CAN HELP THEM CHANGE THEIR OWN ACTIONS AND HOW WE TREAT AND REGARD OUR OWN NEIGHBORS. SO THANK YOU.
[6. CITY MANAGER COMMENTS]
>> MAYOR, COUNCIL, WHILE YOU'RE MAKING YOUR WAY BACK TO YOUR SEATS, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND BEGIN INTRODUCTION OF OUR NEW EMPLOYEES THAT STARTED OVER THE LAST MONTH.
IT'S THE FIRST MEETING OF THE YEAR.
THIS IS WHEN WE INTRODUCE NEW EMPLOYEES AND THEY AND/OR THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS ARE HERE TO SUPPORT THEM.
SO FOR YOU FOLKS THAT ARE HERE, WHEN EVER I CALL YOUR NAME, THERE'S JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOU. JUST COME ON UP TO THE FRONT SO THE PUBLIC CAN MEET YOU AND THE COUNCIL CAN SEE YOU AND THEN JUST STAND THERE UNTIL I GET THROUGH THE LIST.
THERE'S SIX PEOPLE TONIGHT. AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A PICTURE AND YOU GUYS ARE FREE TO GO UNLESS YOU WANT TO STAY FOR THE SHOW, BUT YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO STAY BEYOND THAT. SO, FIRST, HUTTO, IF YOU WILL WELCOME ME IN -- JOIN ME IN WELCOMING LANCE ZEPLAND.
CITY OF HUTTO AND HIS NEW ROLE AS STREET AND DRAINAGE SUPERINTENDENT WITH A BACKGROUND IN STREET AND DRAINAGE. LANCE BRINGS 34 YEARS OF RELEVANT EXPERIENCE TO THE CITY OF HUTTO TEAM.
HE'S EXCITED TO SHARE HIS KNOWLEDGE AND SKILL SET WITH
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THE STREET AND DRAINAGE FOLKS. JOIN ME IN WELCOMING GEORGE GONZALEZ.A STREET AND DRAINAGE TECH I. PREVIOUSLY GEORGE WORKED IN CDL TRUCKING AND HAS A BACKGROUND IN CONSTRUCTION, CURRENTLY RESIDING IN THE GREAT CITY OF HUTTO.
GEORGE ENJOYS FISHING ON HIS BOAT IN HIS SPARE TIME.
NEXT, JOIN ME IN WELCOMING DANA PHILLIPS. DANA JOINS TEAM HUTTO AS CIP PROJECT MANAGER WEALTH OF EXPERIENCE AS HER TIME AS A FEDERAL EMPLOYEE. BACKGROUND IN TECHNOLOGY.
DANA IS PASSIONATE ABOUT SUPPORTING THE CITY OF HUTTO'S GROWTH AND A COMMUNITY THAT MEETS EXPANDING INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.
NEXT JOIN ME IN WELCOMING PHILLIP WATTS.
>> PHILLIP IS JOINING TEAM HUTTO AS A PARK MAINTENANCE TECH.
PREVIOUSLY HE HAS A BACKGROUND IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY.
CURRENTLY RESIDING IN PHILLIP ENJOYS FISHING IN HIS FREE TIME.
NEXT JOIN ME IN WELCOMING KELLYISHEM.
>> KELLY IS JOINING TEAM HUTTO AS THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR.
SHE WORKED FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S PUBLIC LIBRARY SYSTEM AS THEIR EMERGENCY MANAGER AND PREVIOUSLY WORKED AS AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SPECIALIST AND PARA MEDIC.
INTERESTING FACT TO NOTE ABOUT HIM, HE IS ORIGINALLY FROM ALASKA AND ONCE FOUGHT A HOUSE FIRE WHEN IT WAS NEGATIVE 34 DEGREES. I'M JUST TRYING TO PICTURE THAT RIGHT NOW. THAT'S LIKE -- LASTLY, JOIN ME IN WELCOMING TO TEAM HUTTO MARISSA MONTOYA.
MARISSA IS JOINING TEAM HUTTO AS A RIGHT OF WAY MANAGEMENT SPECIALIST. PREVIOUSLY MARISSA WORKED AS A SENIOR RIGHT OF WAY AGENT AND TEX DOT.
SHE ENJOYS TRAVELING, READING AN WATCHING SHOWS IN HER FREE TIME. HUTTO, CITY COUNCIL, STAFF, THESE ARE YOU NEW MEMBERS OF TEAM HUTTO.
[7. PUBLIC COMMENT ]
[10.1. Consideration and possible action on appointing a person to fill the unexpired term of Place 1 City Council Member for the City of Hutto, Texas. (City Council)]
>> NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. I DIDN'T SEE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. NEXT BEFORE WE GO ON TO ITEM 81, NO OBJECTION. I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM 10- 1 UP NEXT. OBJECTIONS, I'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 10. 1, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION. BY APPOINTING A PERSON TO FILL THE UNEXPIRED TERM OF THE PLACE 1 CITY COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO, TEXAS.
AND THEN PER OUR COUNCIL PROTOCOLS, WE'LL NOW TAKE NOMINATIONS. I'LL SAY NOMINATIONS ARE NOW IN ORDER FOR THE OFFICE OF PLACE 1. AND ANY PERSON UP HERE MAY MAKE A NOMINATION.
>> MAYOR I LIKE TO NOMINATE CHARLES WARNER FOR PLACEMENT 1.
>> MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE CHARLES WARNER.
>> SO MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY, THERE'S 14 INDIVIDUALS WHO APPLIED AND WHO SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS OF INTEREST IN SERVING.
MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK I ONLY KNOW -- KNEW THREE OF THE NAMES ON THERE SO I WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TALK WITH EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS, LET THEM COME UP AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BEFORE THEM BEFORE I CAN MAKE A DECISION ON WHO I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE.
>> MAYOR, COUNCIL, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE PROTOCOL PROCESS.
>> PER OUR COUNCIL PROTOCOLS, WE'RE ONLY ABLE TO TAKE NOMINATIONS AND THEN WE DON'T NEED A SECOND FOR THE NOMINATIONS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER REPEATS THE NOMINATION AND THEN WE HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE.
>> WELL, SO, MAYBE CITY ATTORNEY MAYBE YOU COULD CLARIFY FOR ME. SO WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS, YOU AND I DISCUSSED THIS SPECIFICALLY ON THE PROCESS OF WHAT WE WERE DOING ON THE CITY COUNCIL WHERE WE DISCUSSED
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THE ABILITY APPLY SO WE COULD APPLY AND YOU SAID THAT WE COULD DO THAT, THAT WE COULD HAVE APPLICATIONS. I GUESS MY -- MAYBE IT WAS A FALSE ASSUMPTION OR A BAD ASSUMPTION, BUT HOW ELSE WOULD WE BE ABLE TO TALK TO THESE INDIVIDUALS AND FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THEM? WERE WE SUPPOSED TO INDIVIDUALLY ON OUR OWN CONTACT ALL THESE INDIVIDUALS? I FELT THAT WAS INAPPROPRIATE AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.>> YOU COULD HAVE IF YOU WANTED TO BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING IN YOUR PROTOCOLS THAT PROHIBIT THAT. THE APPLICATION PROCESS ON THE ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD WAS JUST DISCUSSION AND THEN STAFF IMPLEMENTED THE APPLICATION.
SO TO JUST BRING FORWARD NAMES TO THE COUNCIL FOR ANYBODY THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED.
BUT I THINK ONCE YOU HAVE THE APPLICATIONS, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW YOUR PROTOCOLS THIS TIME.
NOW YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR PROTOCOLS NEXT TIME, BUT I THINK YOU'RE LIMITED TO JUST ACCEPTING THE NOMINATIONS AND VOTING THIS TIME.
>> OKAY. I WISH WE WOULD HAVE BEEN INFORMED OF THAT. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SUPER HELPFUL.
OKAY. I GUESS I NEED TO APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE WHO CAME EXPECTING TO BE GIVEN AN EQUAL CONSIDERATION IN THIS PROCESS.
>> LET ME SAY SOMETHING. I THINK EVERYONE WAS GIVEN AN EQUAL. TO ASSUME THEY'RE NOT BEING GIVEN EQUAL I THINK IS A MISSTATEMENT.
MAYBE YOU WANT TO SAY DIFFERENTLY, BUT I LIKED AT ALL OF THESE. PULLED UP LINKEDIN, SOCIAL MEDIA. I GAVE EVERYONE EQUAL TIME.
I PROBABLY SPENT FOUR HOURS ON THIS, MAYBE SEVEN OR EIGHT DAYS. SO I AM TALKING ABOUT MYSELF.
I GAVE EVERYONE AND AM GIVING EVERYONE EQUAL POSITION TO LOOK AT THIS. AND I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S STEPPING UP FOR THAT.
AND TAKING A COMMITMENT TO FILL AN APPLICATION AND YOUR INFORMATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, I TAKE -- I DID GIVE AN EQUAL --
FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO FINISH MY THOUGHT, IF I COULD, MAYOR. FOR ME, FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO GIVE AN EQUAL CONSIDERATION, I NEED TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY MEET WITH AN INDIVIDUAL, TALK TO THEM, FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE, LIKE I SAID. I ONLY KNOW THREE OF THE INDIVIDUALS OF THE 14 WHO SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS.
AND SO, I GUESS IF I KNEW THAT I COULD HAVE CONTACTED EACH ONE OF THEM TO TALK TO THEM TO GET MORE CLARIFICATION -- BECAUSE I SAW THE APPLICATIONS AS WELL. I GOT THEM ALL PRINTED OUT.
I'VE COME PREPARED TO ASK THEM QUESTIONS TO GET MORE CLARIFICATION ON WHY THEY WANT TO -- WHY THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE THE BEST CANDIDATE BEYOND WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO ASK THEM ON THE THING. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR -- YOU KNOW, YOUR FEELINGS ON IT. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
THOSE ARE YOUR PERSONAL FEELINGS.
FOR ME, IT'S JUST -- IT'S UNFORTUNATE FOR ME PERSONALLY.
>> SO IF I COULD, WE GOT TO GET US SO WE HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE. WE'VE ALL AT SOME POINT VOTED ON THIS, I THINK, EXCEPT FOR MAYBE TWO OF YOU BECAUSE THIS IS NOT OUR FIRST TIME WE FILLED A POSITION.
AND WE'VE DEVELOPED A PROCESS. SO, BEFORE WE CAN DEBATE ON AN ITEM OR DEBATE A PERSON, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE NOMINATIONS ARE IN. AND THEN FROM THERE THEN I WOULD REPEAT THE NOMINATION UNTIL THEY'VE ALL BEEN SAID AND THEN WERE THEN TO VOTE ON THE NOMINATIONS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS?
>> SO THERE WAS A QUESTION. ARE PEOPLE ALLOWED TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM, OR DID THEY HAVE TO FILL OUT A FORM BEFOREHAND TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM?
>> WELL, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO FILL OUT THE FORM, BUT IF THEY WANT TO SPEAK, IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL IF THEY WANT TO CHOOSE THEM. LET THEM SPEAK.
>> BUT I WOULD ASK YOU TO GO AHEAD AND COMPLETE YOUR PROCESS ON THE NOMINATIONS SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SPEAK TO A NOMINEE, THEY'LL KNOW WHO THEY'RE SPEAKING TO.
HERE IS WHAT I WOULD SAY, PROCESS HAS BEEN A LITTLE UNUSUAL FOR ME IN THAT THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE HAD SOMEONE RESIGN.
NOT THE FIRST TIME WE FILLED. BUT FOR SOME REASON THIS THING WENT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DIRECTION. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY WHO IS -- WHO APPLIED, WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE HERE. WE STARTED AN APPLICATION PROCESS. I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN VOTED ON BY THE COUNCIL. THAT'S A DISCUSSION BY A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT STARTED. NEXT THING I KNOW, THE STAFF IS MAKING AN APPLICATION. WE'RE PUTTING REQUIREMENTS ON PEOPLE. WE'RE PUTTING DEADLINES.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEADLINES. THE ONLY THINGS YOU NEED TO DO TO BE NOMINATED IS YOU HAVE TO BE 18 YEARS OF AGE, A REGISTERED VOTER IN THE CITY OF HUTTO AND A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF HUTTO. DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR BACKGROUND IS. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW OLD YOU ARE AFTER 18. DOESN'T MATTER -- I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE HERE A MINIMUM OF A YEAR OR TWO.
>> 12 MONTHS. >> OUTSIDE OF THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY REQUIREMENTS. SOMEHOW WE ENDED UP CREATING
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A PROCESS BY DISCUSSION, BY TWO OR THREE PEOPLE, ACTUALLY US THREE JUST THROWING OUT THINGS AND THAT LED TO A WHOLE PROCESS WITH -- WE DON'T HAVE A PROCESS FOR INTERVIEWS. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.I DON'T MIND IF YOU ALL WANT TO FILL OUT -- IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK F THEY WANT TO FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD WITH THE CITY SECRETARY AND THEN YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO SPEAK. I ALSO DON'T -- I MEAN, WE KNOW THE PROCESS. YOU AND I DO.
WE'VE BEEN HERE THE LONGEST. SO WE KNOW IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SPEAK, THEY CAN SPEAK ON AN ITEM AND FILL OUT A CARD.
I'LL GIVE ANYBODY A COUPLE MINUTES IF THEY WANT TO FILL ANYTHING OUT.
>> IS THERE ANYONE -- I SAW ONE HAND OUT THERE THAT SOMEBODY WAS INTERESTED IN FILLING OUT.
>> IF YOU WANT TO, COME FILL OUT.
>> A COMMENT CARD. THE CITY SECRETARY KEEPS A COPY OF EVERYBODY WHO FILLED OUT A COMMENT CARD.
>> WOULDN'T BE A HUTTO PROCESS IF IT DIDN'T GO HUTTO ON US. I'M IN THE WRONG SPOT.
I'M SUPPOSED TO BE HERE, TOO. I'M CROWDING PETER.
>> YEAH. WE HAVE TWO MEETING AGO, I THINK WE JUST MOVED IT ALL AROUND BECAUSE I KEPT BEING TOLD, HEY, YOU'RE SPEAKING -- JIM IS LIKE IN YOUR SPACE. YOU'RE IN PETER'S SPACE.
>> ERIN AND I ARE OVER HERE SHOULDER TO SHOULDER.
>> ERIN'S CHAIR IS HALF OFF THE STOOP.
>> SO WHILE WE'RE WAITING, MAYOR, MAY I MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS? ARE YOU GOOD?
>> NO, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR
>> NOT DURING NOMINATIONS, NOT UNTIL WE ACCEPTED ALL THE
ARE WE GOING TO LET THEM FINISH BEFORE WE SPEAK ON THE
FIRST WE HAVE AMBERLY COLLAR. AND I SHOULD SAY, AS IN PUBLIC COMMENTS, TOO, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
THE LIGHT WILL START OFF GREEN. 30 SECOND LEFT IT WILL GO TO YELLOW AND TIME SUP IT WILL GO RED.
>> PERFECT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
AMBERLY COLLAR FOR THE RECORD. FORMER CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, PLACE 6, RESIDENT OF HUTTO. SINCE 2018.
I AM UP HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT -- I DID APPLY.
OF COURSE I HOPE THAT ALL OF YOU REVIEWED MY APPLICATION IN THE SYSTEM.
I WANTED TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS A LITTLE MORE THOROUGHLY, SO I DID ADD SOME EXTRA MEAT AND POTATOES IN THERE. HOPEFULLY YOU ALL GOT TO REVIEW THAT. I DID READ THE MESSAGE BOARD AS WELL TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE MAYOR BROUGHT UP, ALSO COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS, COUNCIL MEMBER KING AS WELL.
SO I KIND OF TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF MY COMMENTS THIS EVENING.
BUT, OF COURSE, DAY ONE, IF I'M -- I GUESS NOMINATED OR APPOINTED TO SERVE THE FOUR MONTHS FOR FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER BRIAN THOMPSON'S TERM, DAY ONE, I CAN SHOW UP. I KNOW HOW TO DO THE JOB.
I KNOW THE ISSUES. I KNOW THE CONCERNS.
I KNOW WHAT THE CITIZENS OF HUTTO -- I SERVED BEFORE.
AND ACTUALLY RESIDENTS HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME TO APPLY.
THAT WAS WHY MY APPLICATION CAME IN LATE.
I WAS LIKE, HEY, I -- I WOULD NOT GET APPOINTED.
SO A FEW RESIDENTS ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO ME, HEY, WE WOULD LOVE YOUR VOICE BACK UP THERE, EVEN FOR FOUR MONTHS. I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET ME PUT MY ISSUES ASIDE AND LET ME GO AND SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF HUTTO.
SO I SHOW UP DAY ONE, I KNOW YOU KNOW THE PROCESS.
I'VE HAD VOTING POWER BEFORE. SO, I DO NOT HAVE ANY INTENTIONS OF RUNNING IN THE MAY ELECTION. SO JUST TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
I KNOW THAT WAS A CONCERN OF THE MAYOR AND A FEW OTHER
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COUNCIL MEMBERS.ALSO, I SERVE AS THE CHAIR OF THE 150TH ANNIVERSARY COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW, SO I AM STILL INVOLVED EVEN THOUGH I WAS NOT RE- ELECTED THIS PAST MAY.
SO, I'M ONLY SEVEN MONTHS OUT FROM THE ISSUES.
AND I CAN GET UP TO SPEED PRETTY QUICK. HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY MANAGER, STAFF AS WELL. AND SO, YEAH.
I'M STILL INVOLVED WITH THE CITY.
I DIDN'T STEP AWAY. I DIDN'T GO INTO A HOLE AND CRY MY SORROWS AWAY. I DIDN'T GO OUT AND PUBLIC OUTBURSTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS A CITY.
I LOVE THIS COMMUNITY. AND SO THAT'S WHY I WANT TO CONTINUE TO SERVE FOR FOUR MONTHS.
THAT'S IT. I'M NOT PLANNING ON RUNNING AGAIN. AND SO, ANOTHER CONCERN WAS THAT THERE'S NO PERSONAL AGENDA.
UNFORTUNATELY I CAN'T SAY THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN AGENDA BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR -- THAT'S YOUR ROLE AS A COUNCIL MEMBER IS TO BRING IDEAS, PROTOCOLS, POLICIES, PROCEDURES TO THE TABLE. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT I'M NOT GOING TO COME IN HERE TO SHAKE THINGS UP, IF I AM APPOINTED. I KIND OF KNOW THE TONE OF THE COUNCIL. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
BUT, I DO HAVE SOME THINGS THAT I WANT TO WORK ON.
AND THAT'S JUST FUTURE FUNDS THAT THIS CITY CAN POSSIBLY GET FROM THE STATE OR THE COUNTY.
SOME OF OUR PROJECTS BEING PUT ON THE COUNTY'S BOND ELECTIONS THAT ARE PROBABLY GOING TO COME UP IN THE FUTURE IN TWO TO THREE YEARS, SAME THING FOR THE STATE. RIGHT NOW THE STATE IS PUTTING TOGETHER THEIR BUDGET FOR 2027/'28 AND LOTS OF CITIES THROUGHOUT TEXAS ARE STARTING TO PUT SOME OF THEIR BIG CI- P BUDGET ITEMS INTO THE STATE BUDGET.
WE COULD WORK WITH OUR REPRESENTATIVE AND SENATOR IN GETTING THAT DONE. SO JUST THINKING INTO THE FUTURE. THAT MAY NOT BE DAY TO DAY THINGS THAT SOME ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. BUT JUST THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE OF HUTTO AND WHAT THE RESIDENTS NEED AND WANT.
>> NEXT WE HAVE MUCIFURI. DID I SAY YOUR NAME
HI. I'M RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT.
AND MARINE CORPS VETERAN. I BUILD SATELLITES. I'M A MACHINIST. AND I'VE BEEN LIVING HERE IN HUTTO FOR ALMOST SIX YEARS NOW.
THIS IS MY SIXTH YEAR. I LOVE IT HERE.
FROM I WON'T SAY BIRTH BUT FROM ADULTHOOD, I'VE BEEN SERVING THE COUNTRY AND THE COMMUNITY. BOTH THROUGH THE MILITARY AND THEN THROUGH LAW ENFORCEMENT NOW IN BUILDING SATELLITE COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS. PRIOR TO THAT I WAS BUILDING PUMPS FOR NUCLEAR SUBMARINES.
MY DESIRE IS TO SERVE PEOPLE AND TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY THAT I LIVE IN AND HELP TO MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE FOR EVERYONE SO THAT EVERYONE FEELS SEEN AND HEARD. I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT MOST THINGS THAT I EMBARK ON. AND I WOULD SAY THAT I AM MOST PASSIONATE ABOUT COMMUNITY SERVICE AND THOSE CIVIL SERVICES.
I WOULD LOVE TO FILL THE POSITION AND TO ATTAIN THE EXPERIENCE OF HAVING DONE SO FOR MY COMMUNITY.
AND FOR MY PERSONAL AND EMOTIONAL GROWTH.
I WOULD SAY THAT AMBERLY IS PROBABLY A BETTER CANDIDATE.
AND I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER THAT AS WELL.
>> CAN WE ASK QUESTIONS? IS THAT PERMITTED? TYPICALLY WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE BACK AND FORTH IF THEY SIGN UP ON
YEAH. >> SO, COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, SIR.
>> YES, SIR. >> HAVE YOU HAD ANY COMMUNITY SERVICE WITHIN CITY OF HUTTO?
>> I'VE NOT HAD ANY COMMUNITY SERVICE WITHIN THE CITY OF
HUTTO. >> HOW LONG DID YOU SAY YOU LIVED IN HUTTO.
>> THIS IS MY SIXTH YEAR. SO I MOVED HERE JULY 1ST OF 2020.
>> NEXT WE HAVE ROBERT ROSENBURY.
>> MY NAME IS ROBERT ROSEBURY. I LIVED IN HUTTO FOR 11 YEARS. THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME TO SPEAK. I FILLED OUT AN APPLICATION BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE THREE PEOPLE THAT APPLIED OR 300. AND I WANTED YOU'LL TO HAVE A DECENT CHOICE. I DID FOUR YEARS IN THE AIR FORCE.
I DID TEN YEARS AS A TEXAS STATE TROOPER.
I HAVE A HEART TO SERVE EVEN KNOW AS AN ELECTRICIAN, I DO SO IN SERVICE, PEOPLE THAT NEED HELP FIXING THEIR PROBLEMS. I'VE COMMUNICATED WITH SEVERAL OF YOU ALL, COUNCIL MEMBER KING, MORRIS. I TALKED TO YOU ALL. MAYOR SNYDER I TALKED TO YOU SEVERAL TIMES.
COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON YOU'VE BEEN IN MY HOUSE A COUPLE TIMES.
SPOKE WITH MANAGER ERP AT ONE OF THE CITY EVENTS RECENTLY.
I JUST WANT TO BRING TO THE TABLE OBJECTIVITY AND HELP
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MAKE DECISIONS NOT BECAUSE OF WANTS OR AN AGENDA BUT IS THIS GOOD FOR EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY? IS THIS GOING TO BENEFIT EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY OR SUBSTANTIAL PART OF THEM AND NEEDS MORE SO THAN WANTS. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I GOT.OH, ONE MORE THING. YOU MENTIONED ABOUT TALKING ABOUT WHY YOU'RE THE BEST CANDIDATES FOR THE JOB. I HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE APPLICATIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M THE BEST CANDIDATE OR NOT.
THE NEXT MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.
COULD BE IN THE STACK. PICK HIM, NOT ME.
>> THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. OKAY.
SO, FROM A NOMINATION STANDPOINT, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS?
>> I WILL NOMINATE AMBERLY COLLAR, SHE'S THE ONE I KNOW THE MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN AND WHO HAVE APPLIED. I THINK AMBERLY HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. IT WOULD BE VERY EASY TO ON BOARD HER. AND SHE COULD JUST PUT IN ANOTHER FOUR MONTHS AND I THINK A LOT OF THE SENTIMENT ON THE MESSAGE BOARD WAS SOMEBODY WHO CAN GET UP TO SPEED QUICKLY AND WHO HAS SOME EXPERIENCE. I THINK SHE'S PRETTY WELL EXPERIENCED, SO I'LL PUT HER NAME
UP. >> SO WE'LL CLOSE THE NOMINATION PROCESS.
SO VOTES CAN BE CAST FOR ANY PERSONNEL JIBL FOR ELECTION EVEN IF THAT PERSON HAS NOT BEEN NOMINATED. JUST BECAUSE THERE WAS A PERSON'S NAME WAS NOMINATED, DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR THEM.
YOU CAN VOTE FOR SOMEBODY ELSE. WHEN CALLED UPON BY THE PRESIDING OFFICER, EVERY MEMBER IN TURN WILL STATE THE NAME OF THE PERSON THEY'RE VOTING FOR.
IF NO NOMINEE RECEIVES AT LEAST FOUR VOTES, THE NOMINEE WITH THE LOWEST VOTE WILL BE DROPPED.
VOTING WILL BE REPEATED FOR THE NOMINEES.
THIS WILL BE FOLLOWED ONE NOMINEE RECEIVES AT LEAST FOUR VOTES.
A MOTION MAY BE ACCEPTED TO APPOINT SUCH NOMINEE TO THE OFFICE OR POSITION.
WITH THAT SAID, WE'LL GO DOWN THE LINE AND ASK FOR YOUR VOTE ON THE TWO NOMINEES OR SHOULD YOU HAVE SOMEONE ELSE THAT WASN'T NOMINATED.
MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON? >> CHARLES WARNER.
>> I'M HAVING TO REMEMBER PEOPLE'S LAST
WATER. >> I VOTE FOR CHARLES WARNER.
>> CHARLES WARNER HAS RECEIVED AT LEAST FOUR VOTES.
NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MAYBE ACCEPT TO A POINT SUCH NOMINEE TO THE OFFICE OR POSITION.
>> MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD.
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS.
APPOINTING CHARLES WARNER TO CITY COUNCIL PLACEPLACE 1.
I WILL NOW ENTERTAIN A DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.
I WOULD SAY MY REASON FOR VOTING FOR CHARLES -- CHARLES HAS SERVED ON THE -- I BELIEVE IT WAS THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY.
HE'S CURRENTLY ON THE ETHICSETHICS BOARD. HE HAS BEEN ON -- I DON'T GO TO VERY MANY POWER BREAKFAST, WHEN I DO, HE'S TYPICALLY THERE. CANDIDATE FORRUM, HE'S AT EVERY CANDIDATE FORRUM. I'M NOT SAYING THAT NECESSARILY BECAUSE SOMEONE IS THERE OR NOT THERE PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE NOMINATED. I KNOW HIM FAIRLY WELL AND I TALKED TO HIM ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS ABOUT ISSUES IN THE CITY.
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, HE COMES FROM A DIFFERENT THING WE DON'T AGREE ON I WOULD SAY EVERY ISSUE OR DEFINITELY MY APPROACH TO ISSUES.
BUT HE'S A GOOD PERSON I'VE SOUGHT COUNSEL FROM ON VARIOUS THINGS OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
SO FOR ME I DO KNOW HIM. IN THAT
REGARD. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD CHARLES WARNER, ON THE BRIEF TIME I WAS ON THE ETHICS COMMISSION, I GOT TO KNOW HIM REASONABLY WELL AND PLUS WITH CITY AND SOME OTHER EVENTS AND FEEL I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW HIM FAIRLY WELL.
HIS VOLUNTEER ACTIVITY AND HIS WILLINGNESS AND COMMITMENT TO WORK WITHIN THE CITY -- NOT TO BE DISPARAGING ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE, SOMEONE THAT HAS A HISTORY OF VOLUNTEERING AND WORK ING ING IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO TAKE THAT EXTRA EFFORT, EXTRA COMMITMENT AND SACRIFICE.
SO I APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT. BUT, I DO KNOW CHARLES
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FAIRLY WELL AND THREE OR FOUR OF THESE OTHER PEOPLE.I DID GO THROUGH LINKEDIN PROFILES, SOCIAL MEDIA PROFILES.
SO ALTHOUGH -- SOCIAL MEDIA SNOT A BIG DEAL, BUT LINKEDIN, SEEING WHAT SERVICE HAS BEEN DONE AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING AND WHAT THEIR COMMITMENTS ARE, THEIR HISTORY, THEIR EXPERIENCES WHERE THEY WORK AND SOME OF THESE COMPANIES I'M FAMILIAR WITH AS WELL.
I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH CHARLES WARNER AS THE APPOINTEE AND NOMINEE AND APPOINTEE.
AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU OVER THE NEXT FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS. THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE
>> MOTION PASSES 6-0. AND I WOULD SAY FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S APPLIED, PLEASE LOOK AT THE ELECTIONS COMING UP, THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THAT STARTS IN JUST A FEW WEEKS.
AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A ROBUST GROUP OF
[8.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, and Area Government appointments. ]
CANDIDATES FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT.WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 8.1. REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS, REAPPOINTMENTS AND/OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX REINVESTMENT AND AREA GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS.
>> NOTHING FROM THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION. I THINK WE HAVE ONE NEW APPLICANT FOR PARKS BOARD.
>> YES. YEAH WE RECEIVED A RESIGNATION FROM PARKS AND WE HAVE A TOTAL OF FOUR APPLICATIONS TO REVIEW.
>> YEAH. I DO ACTUALLY HAVE ONE FOR THE 150TH PLANNING COMMITTEE. THEIR CHAIR HAS ASKED FOR TWO CHANGES TO THEIR COMMITTEE. THEY'VE GOT TWO INDIVIDUALS, ONE WHO HAS NOT NOT ATTENDED A SINGLE MEETING, HASN'T RESPONDED TO ANY INQUIRIES AS TO WHETHER THEY WERE GOING TO PARTICIPATE AND SECOND INDIVIDUAL APPROACHED THEM DUE TO CHANGES IN THEIR SCHEDULE THEY CAN'T PARTICIPATE ANYMORE. SO THEY'VE REQUESTED THAT WE REMOVE MARIA SUAREZ AND SHARON DIRE FROM THE COMMITTEE AND THAT WE APPOINT TATUM ESTES AND CHRISTINE BENSON, BOTH OF THESE NEW INDIVIDUALS HAVE EXPRESSED STRONG DESIRE TO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE AND TO HELP OUT AND ONE OF THEM JUST FINISH ED ASHS ED
NOMINEES. >> REMOVALS IS MARIA SUAREZ.
>> TATUM ESTES AND CHRISTINE BENSON.
>> SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE
>> MOTION PASSES 6-0. ANY OTHER MATTERS ON THIS ITEM?
[8.2. Consideration and possible action regarding recommendations or updates from City Council sub-committees (i.e. HISD, Public Safety, Co-Op).]
ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO 8. 2, CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING UPDATES FROM THE CITY COUNCIL SUB COMMITTEES.WE HAVE ISD WE DID MEET. THE MAYOR PRO TEM AND I DID.
WE WENT OVER THE ILA I THINK THEY WERE WANTING TO KNOW MORE OF OUR REASONING. WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THERE THAT THEY WANTED TO CONTINUE TO BE IN THE ILA. I WOULD SAY THERE WAS A LITTLE CONFUSION ON WHICH ILA WE TERMINATED. IT WAS A DIFFERENT ONE.
I AGREE TO SEND THEM THE ILA AND FOR US TO MEET AGAIN COMING UP ONCE THEY HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE ILA.
I SENT THAT TO THEM RIGHT AFTER CHRISTMAS.
I WOULD SAY THAT'S THE BULK OF
THE CONVERSATION. >> THAT AND THE BUSES CUTTING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS
WE DID HAVE A THING ON THE BUSES AND I HAVE NOT BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF THE BUS BARN ON 685 DUE TO THE CURRENT BUSES THAT CUT THROUGH THE ENCLAVE AT RUSHIE CREEK AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASKING FOR US TO RESTRICT THAT. WE KIND OF GOT
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TO TALKING. I THINK I MADE SOMEWHAT OF A COMMENT TO THETHE OF WOULD YOU ALL SUPPORT IF THE CITY TICKETED BUSSES THAT WERE CUTTING THROUGH AND NOT ACTUALLY HAVING STOPS. AND THEY SAID THEY WERE OKAY WITH US ENFORCING PEOPLE THAT WERE CUTTING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.PUT ON AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THEM THAT THEY WOULD PASS A RESOLUTION THAT SAID THEY SUPPORT THE CITY MAKING SURE BUSES THAT GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR DROP OFFS CAN GO BUT BUSS WHO ARE JUST CUTTING THROUGH TO AVOID TRAFFIC CAN'T. I THINK THEY SAID THEY WERE LOOKING AT -- THEY MAY BRING THAT TO THEIR --
>> YEAH, THEY WOULD CONSIDER IT, YEAH.
>> SO I SAID IF THEY WERE TO PASS THAT, I WOULD SUPPORT THE BUS BARN IF I KNEW THE ISD WAS GOING TO RESTRICT THEIR BUSES USING THE ENCLAVE AS A CUT-THROUGH. BUT THOSE WERE THE TWO BIG
THINGS. >> COULD WE SCHEDULE A FOLLOW- UP MEETING FOR THE CO- OP SUB COMMITTEE? AND ALSO COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON WAS ON THAT SUB COMMITTEE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LIKE TO APPOINT REPLACEMENT FOR HIM IF IT WOULD BE CHARLES OR IF ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL.
>> YEAH. I WOULDN'T WANT CHARLES ON THERE BECAUSE HE DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING WE'RE DOING.
ERIN IS ON POLICE. WHAT ARE YOU ON?
>> YOU'RE ON THE UDC ONE. YOU'RE ON THE
>> I THINK WE'RE ALL ON AT LEAST TWO.
>> WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE YOU'RE ON?
>> POLICE FOR SURE. I DON'T REMEMBER THE OTHER ONE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT YOU CAN PUT MY NAME IN.
>> WE WILL PUT KING ON AND WE'LL GET A NEW MEETING SET UP FOR THAT.
>> PUBLIC SAFETY WE DIDN'T MEET BUT WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
[9. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS]
I THINK THAT'S IT. NEXT WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, ITEMS 9. 1 THROUGH 9.13. IF THERE'S ANY ITEMS ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO BE PULLED. OTHERWISE WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT AS PRESENTED.>> MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL 9. 6 AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE,
9.11. >> ANY OTHER ITEMS WE WISH TO PULL? ALL RIGHT.
HEARING NONE I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS.
>> MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON.
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE ITEMS? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.
[9.6. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2026-006 accepting the infrastructure improvements for the FM 1660 and Limmer Loop, Capital Improvement Project (CIP-T03-2023) as public infrastructure. (Matt Rector)]
>> MOTION PASSES 6-0. 9. 6, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION R-2026- 006 ACCEPTING THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE FM 1660 AND LOOP CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT CIP T 03- 2023 AS PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
>> YEAH. ONLY REASON I WANTED TO PULL THAT IS I'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION A MILLION TIMES LIKE ANYBODY ELSE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE -- I'M BEING A LITTLE BIT CRASS HERE, WE ARE ACCEPTING THE IMPROVEMENTS. WE HAVE PHOTOS. WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
THERE'S NOTHING OUTSTANDING, OUTLYING, WHATSOEVER WITH THIS PROJECT. AND IT IS 100% -- BEFORE WE ACCEPT IT, WE'RE GOOD- GOOD, RIGHT? IT'S FOR ME CONFIRMATION AND CLARIFICATION. I'VE DRIVEN THROUGH THERE, IT LOOKS NICE, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL OF OUR DOCUMENTATION IN PLACE AND WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
>> GOOD EVENING. MAYOR SNYDER AROUND COUNCIL.
PATRICIA DAVIS, ENGINEER. IN ORDER TO ACCEPT THE IMPROVEMENTS WE USUALLY ACCEPT A PACKET THAT INCLUDES THE CLOSE- OUT DOCUMENTATION AND INCLUDES THE PHOTOS THAT ARE DOCUMENTED BY OUR INSPECTORS.
AND WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY OTHER
>> WAS THERE SOMETHING MISSING FROM THE PACKET YOU WERE EXPECTING THERE?
>> NOPE. I JUST WANT TO DOUBLE, DOUBLE, DOUBLE CHECK. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.
OKAY. >> WHEN I STARTED ON COUNCIL, IT WAS ALREADY FUNDED AND IN DESIGN. AND I'M ABOUT TO TERM OUT.
COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON IS ABOUT TO TERM OUT AND WE FINALLY GOT A PROJECT DONE.
SO WE ONLY GOT LIKE 20 MORE TO DO IN THE NEXT COUPLE
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YEARS. >> 20 MORE BUT THAT ONE IS DONE, THANK YOU.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE 9. 6 AS PRESENTED.
>> MOTION BY PORTERFIELD SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KING. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE
[9.11. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2026-001 amending the budget for FY 2026. (Alberta Barrett) ]
>> MOTION PASSES 6-0. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 9. 11 CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE 0-2026- 001 AMENDING THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026.
>> YEAH. THERE WAS ONE LINE ITEM IN THERE I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION ON.
THERE WAS -- WE WERE PAYING A TEMPORARY EMPLOYEE TO I GUESS FILL A POSITION FOR SOMEONE WHO IS OUT. I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE COULD CLARIFY WHY WE NEED TO PAY A TEMPORARY EMPLOYEE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SAY THE POSITION OR SOMEBODY. I DON'T WANT TO PUT SOMEBODY ON BLAST. WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
>> OKAY. THE SITUATION THERE IS IT'S A SMALL DEPARTMENT OF TWO EMPLOYEES WITHIN BUILDING MAINTENANCE. AND ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES HAS BEEN INJURED, IS ON WORKER'S COMP. SO THINGS ARE FALLING BEHIND BECAUSE HE'S BEEN OUT FOR SOME TIME. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS TO HIRE A PART- TIME POSITION UNTIL HE CAN COME BACK ON DUTY FULL- TIME AND THEN WE'LL RELEASE THE PART- TIME
POSITION. >> EMPLOYEE IS OUT FOR FMLA OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS AND WE NEED TO BE GETTING THINGS DONE,
>> FROM A -- I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS POINT OF VIEW, IF A PERSON IS INJURED AND THEY'RE GETTING WORKERS COMP, THEN OUR WORKERS COMP INSURANCE IS PAYING FOR THEIR SALARY GOING
FORWARD. >> THEY PAY A PERCENTAGE OF IT, YES, FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME,
REST. >> WE PAY THE EMPLOYEE BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL EMPLOYED WITH THE CITY.
SO, AS ON A NORMAL PAYROLL, THEY WILL RECEIVE THEIR PAYCHECK AND THEN THE TML REIMBURSES THE CITY A PERCENTAGE OF THE
THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T HAVE A PERSON FILLING IN WHO THEN SO THEY'RE REALLY NOT ON FMLA, THEY'RE JUST ON WORKERS
COMP. >> WELL, THAT I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S PROBABLY AN HR QUESTION. I ASSUME THEY PROBABLY ARE ON FMLA SOME TYPE OF MEDICAL LEAVE.
>> SO FOR THE RECORD, JAMES ERP, FMLA ALL THAT IS A LEGAL PROTECTION SO THEIR JOB IS PROTECTED. THAT COULD BE ON -- THAT COULD BE WITH PAY OR WITHOUT PAY DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCE.
SO JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING PAID DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY'RE NOT ON FMLA. THEY COULD BE RUNNING
>> OKAY. I NEVER HEARD OF USING PEOPLE ON -- MY EXPERIENCE SOMEONE IS ON WORKERS COMP, THEY'RE GETTING PAID. THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT JOB SECURITY. I'M NOT TRYING TO CHANGE
ANYTHING. >> THAT COULD BE THE CASE.
EITHER WAY THE POINT IS HE'S PROTECTED. HE IS GETTING PAID BUT WE'RE GETTING REIMBURSED A PORTION OF THE MONEY BACK AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING TO HIRE A PART TIMER WHO WOULDN'T BE A FULL TIME EMPLOYEE TO PICK UP THE WORKLOAD UNTIL WE CAN GET A RESOLUTION ON HIS FUTURE.
>> OKAY. AND THE ONLY QUESTION I GOT ON THIS, IF I UNDERSTOOD RIGHT AND MY NOTES ARE ON THE SCREEN. IT'S NOT COMING UP. BUT, THE SOFTWARE, THAT'S THE SOFTWARE WE JUST APPROVED A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO, WASN'T IT?
>> WE ASKED YOU TO SAVE SOMEWHERE IN THE BUDGET AND YOU BASICALLY HAVE TAKEN FOR THREE MONTHS IF WE HAD A POSITION THAT WAS SAY $100,000 A YEAR AND A THIRD OF IT WE HAVEN'T TOLD THAT POSITION.
THERE'S POTENTIALLY 30,000 THAT'S AVAILABLE AND SO WE'RE JUST MOVING UNUSED MONEY IN ONE DEPARTMENT, MOVE IT TO ANOTHER TO COVER FOR A SOFTWARE THAT WE JUST APPROVED, IS THAT KIND OF --
>> THAT'S BASICALLY, YES. AND IT'S ON ACTUAL SAVINGS.
SO WE'RE NOT PROJECTING ANY POTENTIAL SAVINGS FOR FUTURE FOR THIS. IT WAS BASED ON SAVINGS THAT WE'VE REALIZED ALREADY TO THIS POINT TO OFFSET THAT COST.
THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OR QUESTION, I GUESS. WE CAN'T DISCUSS UNTIL WE HAVE A MOTION.
>> NO. MOTION TO APPROVE 9. 1 IS AS PRESENTED.
>> MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KING. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE
[10.2. Discussion and possible action on City Council Place 5 regarding compliance with Resolution R-2023-022 and Section 3.02 of the Hutto City Charter; declaring Council Place 5 per Section 3.06(a) and 3.06(b)(1) of the Hutto City Charter vacant for failure of Council Member for Place 5 to meet the qualifications of office; and if necessary, removal from Office and Boards and Commissions. (Councilmember Porterfield)]
>> NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 10. 2, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CITY COUNCIL PLACE 5 REGARDING COMPLIANCE WITH
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RESOLUTION R-2023-022. HUTTO CITY CHARTER, DECLARING COUNCIL PLACE 5 PER SECTION 306 A AND B ONE OF THE HUTTO CITY CHARTER VACANT FOR FAILURE OF COUNCIL MEMBER FOR PLACE 5 TO MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS OF OFFICE AND REMOVAL OF OFFICE AND BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD, THIS IS YOUR
JUST WANTED TO MAKE A STATEMENTSTATEMENT DECLARE DOMICILE GIVEN ALL THE APPROPRIATE DOCUMENTATION TOTO CITY MANAGER AND LEGAL THAT I HAVE MOVED BUT I STILL LIVE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, MY FENCE IS THE CITY LIMIT LINE. I GOT OUT AS FAR AS I CAN TO TRY TO GET AWAY FROM A LITTLE BIT OF STRASK BUT I STILL AM IN THE CITY LIMITS.
I DON'T KNOW IF A MOTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN, BUT THAT'S MY DECLARATION OF DOMICILE SO EVERYBODY IS WELL AWARE I DID MOVE BUT I'M STILL IN THE CITY -- WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
>> MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT YOUR DECLARATION OF DOMICILE.
>> SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS.
ANY DISCUSSION? FOR THOSE THAT MAY NOT KNOW, WE STRUGGLED IN THE PAST. SOME PEOPLE'S OPINION WE STRUGGLED ON WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF US LIVE IN THE CITY AND SO WE HAVE UPDATED OR ORDINANCES A COUPLE TIMES UNTIL WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO DECLARE A DOMICILE. SO I APPRECIATE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD HAS MOVED AND THEN IS ALERTING THE PUBLIC THAT HE'S MOVED SO THAT IF ANYBODY WERE TO SEE A MOVING TRUCK, THEY WOULDN'T COME TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS. SO I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THIS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.
[10.3. Presentation and update on the Justice Center Facility (CIP FO02-2024) Planning and Programming Update. (Matt Rector)]
>> MOTION PASSES 6-0. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 10 PRNT 3.
PLANNING AND PROGRAMMING UPDATE.
>> MAYOR, ON THE PREVIOUS ITEM, DO YOU WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THE RECORD REFLECTS NO ACTION TAKEN ON THE REMOVAL OR THE VACANT?
>> DO I NEED JUST TO SAY THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN.
FOR THE RECORD, THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN FOR THE REMOVAL.
>> YEAH. THEY'RE GIVING YOU THIS HOT
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR SNYDER AND COUNCIL.
TONIGHT WE HAVE THE SECOND PRESENTATION AS A FOLLOW- UP TO THE JUSTICE CENTER.
THE PRESENTATION WILL BE BY DSW WITH DENNY.
>> DOESN'T LOOK LIKE HE WANTS TO COME UP HERE.
>> HE'LL BE GOING OVER MORE HIGH- LEVEL SCHEMATIC AND MORE LAYOUT FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER.
COUNCIL. LAST TIME WE MET THERE WAS THE DESIRE TO SEE SOME VARYING OPTIONS AND THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE. SO WE HAVE THOSE TO LOOK AT.
>> COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
>> OH, I'M SORRY. DENNY BOWLES WITH BRINKLY SERGEANT ARCHITECTS. SO, JUST PART OF THE PROCESS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF AND THE POLICE AND WE HAVE CONTINUED TO STREAMLINE THE STAFFING AND THE ASSOCIATE SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AT A POINT IN TIME. THIS GOES BACK TO OUR LAST MEETING ASKING FOR CERTAIN OPTIONS, DIFFERENT LOOKS. AND SO THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY. FIRST, YOU'LL SEE SOME NUMBER -- SOME COST ITEMS AND THEY'RE ALL BASED ON AN ASSUMED SCHEDULE, WHICH YOU'LL SEE HERE. IT'S APPROXIMATE.
BUT IT STARTS WITH THE BOND ELECTION.
THIS MAY AND THEN THROUGH DESIGN AND THEN THROUGH BIDDING.
SO, THIS IS THE SCHEDULE THAT YOU'LL SEE THINGS BASED ON
HERE. >> DENNY, I WAS THINKING -- I GUESS THE COUNCIL HAS TO VOTE, BUT I WAS THINKING WE WERE GOING TO RECOMMEND NOVEMBER BECAUSE WE HAD ENOUGH MONEY TO GO AHEAD AND FUND THE
DESIGN. >> WELL, AND THAT ALL CAN BE ADJUSTED. I JUST THINK FOR TODAY I USED THE MAY SCHEDULE JUST TO BE ABLE TO SET SOME PRICES, SOME COST.
>> IF IT GOES TO NOVEMBER, THEN I WILL ESCALATE THAT
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COST ANOTHER SIX MONTHS. AND I CAN COME BACK TO YOU WITH WHAT THAT IS.>> WHAT WOULD CAUSE THE ESCALATION.
IF WE HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THE DESIGN AND IT TAKES YOU NINE MONTHS TO A YEAR TO DESIGN AND WE ALREADY HAVE THE MONEY FOR THAT, WHAT WOULD THE ESCALATION BE FROM?
>> WELL, JUST WHEN ARE WE DOING NOTICE TO PROCEED ON THE CONSTRUCTION? WHEN IS THE PROJECT ACTUALLY BID? SO WE WERE TO START DESIGN TODAY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING -- I'LL LAY IT OUT.
BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO SEE THE IMPACT OF TIME ON THE COST.
SO IF WE WOR TO START OUR PRICINGS BASED ON TODAY AND BID NINE MONTHS OR TEN MONTHS FROM NOW THEN YOU HAVE ESCALATION ON TOP OF THAT. SO.
>> START CONSTRUCTION TODAY OR START DESIGN?
>> IF WE WERE TO START DESIGN TODAY, YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT NINE, TEN MONTHS OF ESCALATION MOVING OUT.
>> SO IF WE STARTED TODAY, YOUR PROJECTIONS WILL BE DESIGNS STARTING TODAY. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE FURTHER ESCALATION.
>> FOR THIS EXERCISE, I DID NOT GO ABOUT IT THAT WAY.
SO, AGAIN, IT WAS ON THE PREMISE OF A BOND ELECTION.
AND HAD BEEN TALKING -- I KNOW IT'S BEEN TALKING MAY AND
NOVEMBER. >> LET'S FORGET ABOUT THE BOND ELECTION. LET'S ASSUME WE HAVE $100 MILLION IN THE BANK. IF WE VOTED FOR YOU TODAY TO START DESIGN, ARE YOUR NUMBERS IN THIS PRESENTATION GOING TO ALIGN WITH YOU START DESIGN TODAY?
>> THE BOND ELECTION DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, RIGHT? IF WE HIRE YOU TODAY TO DESIGN, WE'RE IN JANUARY, WE JUST SAY THREE MONTHS.
IF WE WAIT UNTIL MAY TO THEN HIRE YOU, DOESN'T THAT COST US THREE MONTHS?
>> YES, IT DOES. IF WE WERE TO START TODAY, THAT WOULD SAVE THE CITY CONSIDERABLE
MONEY. >> BUT YOUR THING IS BASED ON MAY, SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A COST ESCALATION IF WE HIRED YOU TODAY.
>> THE LAST CONVERSATION WE HAD IS THIS IS GOING TO GO TO A BOND. THIS IS JUST AN ASUMS OF MINE.
IF THAT CHANGES,KY MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT AND UPDATE EVERYTHING. BUT THIS WILL STILL BE I THINK CLOSE TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING HERE.
>> OKAY. WE'LL JUST SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE
BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE DESIGN BEGINNING IN SEPTEMBER '26.
ANY AMOUNT WE CAN PULL THAT IN IS GOOD FOR
>> WE TALKED, JAMES, WE ALREADY GOT 5 MILLION TO PAY FOR DESIGN. SO, I DON'T WANT TO SAY YOU WASTED YOUR TIME WITH WHATEVER PROJECTIONS YOU'RE ABOUT TO SHOW US, BUT WE TALKED IN THAT MEETING IN OUR SUB COMMITTEE WE ALREADY HAD THE MONEY AND SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE US STARTING DESIGN IN SEPTEMBER. I ANTICIPATE IF THESE ARE THE GUYS TO DO IT AND WE THINK THEY'RE CAPABLE OF HANDLING THIS, THEY'RE STARTING FEBRUARY 1ST. SO YOU MAY HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF NUMBERS TO RE- RUN AFTER YOU RE- RUN THE NUMBERS, I GUESS.
>> WELL, JUST TO SUMMARIZE, IF THE DESIGN BEGINS BEFORE SEPTEMBER, THEN HIS NUMBERS WILL BE OVERINFLATED.
>> BECAUSE YOU'LL GET TO CONSTRUCTION FASTER WHICH MEANS THERE WON'T BE AS MUCH ESCALATION AS WHAT HE'S SHOWING IN HIS CALCULATION.
>> YEAH. I'M JUST CONCERNED SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE MY VOICE ISN'T BEING HEARD. WHEN I'M IN A MEETING, YEAH, WE CAN START DESIGN TODAY, WE HAVE THE MONEY.
AND THEN WE HAVE PROJECTIONS BASED ON STARTING THE DESIGN IN THE FALL, THEN I'M LIKE -- NONE OF US SEEM TO HAVE HAD AN OBJECTION, MY VOICE ISN'T BEING HEARD.
I'M KIND OF LIKE WHY ARE WE PRESENTING ON OLD INFORMATION THAT'S ALREADY OUT OF DATE. BUT AT LEAST WE'LL KNOW THE WORST CASE SCENARIO AND HAVE THEM COME BACK AND RE- RUN THE
>> OKAY. SO, JUST TO KIND OF HELP BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. FIRST, WE LOOKED AT TEN- YEAR PROJECTIONS AND WE LOOK AT 20- YEAR PROJECTIONS TO MEET THE POLICE AND COURT NEEDS.
SO, FOR THAT, FIRST OF ALL, WE LOOK AT EVERYTHING IN AND DOES THE SITE ACCOMMODATE THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE. THIS IS JUST A POINT IN TIME, SHOWING WHAT WILL FIT. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 20- YEAR POLICE FACILITY, A 20- YEAR COURT FACILITY AND ALSO SOME TRAINING FUNCTIONS THAT ALSO DOWN THE ROAD THAT COULD FIT. AN INDOOR FIRING RANGE, SOME MUNITIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND THE PARKING FOR THAT AS WELL. SO, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE. AND THEN FROM THAT, WE BACK IN.
WE START CARVING IT UP TO GET TO A TEN- YEAR PROJECTION.
SO FOR ONE OPTION HERE, THIS IS THE MINIMALIST, WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO IS TO DO A FLOOR PLAN AS MOVING FORWARD TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND IN THAT PROCESS, WE DID CARVE OUT ABOUT FROM 40,000 SQUARE FEET CALLED FOR IN THE MAIN BUILDING TO ABOUT 37,000 SQUARE FEET.
SOMETIMES THAT WORKS OUT. SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T.
BUT IN THIS CASE IT HAS. SO THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE
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SEEINGSEEING HERE ON THIS WILL BE OPTION 1 A.WE HAVE OPTIONS 1A, 1B BASED ON THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE AND OPTION 3 WHICH IS ALL IN.
JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE. THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ONON THE SITE. THIS JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. IF YOUR MAIN BUILDING IS 36,478.
WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CARVE A FEW THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OFF OF THAT. WHAT THIS DOES, IT ACCOMPLISHES THE 10- YEAR OUTLOOK FOR ITEMS YOU SEE THERE. TRAINING.
SEMIPUBLIC, INVESTIGATION, SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS, THE MAIL LOCKER ROOM, TACTICAL BASE AND ASSET. WHAT IT ALSO DOES, JUST IN THE COURSE OF LAYING THINGS OUT AND HOW THEY MAY WORK OUT IN THE PLANT, SOME THINGS GET LANDLOCKED.
WHEN YOU GET LANDLOCKED YOU HAVE TO PLAN FOR 20- YEAR OUTLOOK. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE ACCOMMODATED IN THE PLAN YOU SAW THERE. THOSE ITEMS THERE. FUTURE PHASES THINGS THAT STILL NEED TO BE ADDED. TRAINING STILL HAS -- GOES FROM A 10 TO 20- YEAR SEMIPUBLIC AND THEN 20 YEAR AND SO ON AND SO ON. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE RIGHT HAND COLUMN THERE.
SO, THIS IS WHAT THAT IS IN THIS CASE SCENARIO. YOUR MAIN BUILDING, CMU ASSET BUILDING WHICH WOULD BE YOUR CRIME LAB, WE'RE LOOKING AT GETTING AS MUCH OUT OF THE MAIN BUILDING AND ASSET BUILDINGS TO HELP THE COST AND STILL WORK FOR THE POLICE. WE HAD A METAL BUILDING.
WE ALSO JUST HAVE BASICALLY A METAL BUILDING, BARN, COVERED VEHICLES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
TACTICAL BASE. WE WILL HAVE WATER RETENTION ACQUIRED ON THIS SITE. IT IS ABOUT ANYWHERE FROM -- WELL, 100,000. IF WE WERE TO BID THIS TODAY, I USED THIS AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, IT WOULD COST 36. 2 MILLION. IS WHAT IT WOULD COST.
WITH ESCALATION, AGAIN, IF WE WERE TO GO BACK TO A EOCTOBER 2020 BID DATE, YOUR ESCALATION WOULD BE 12. 61% AND THEN YOUR TOTAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS WOULD BE 40.6767.
>> IS THAT OCTOBER BID DATE OR YOUR THING SAID A DESIGN START DATE.
>> BID DATE. SO YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO THEN START DESIGN NOW TO HIT THAT DATE. CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR SLIDE WITH THE TIMING?
START. >> STARTED DESIGN IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR?
>> CORRECT. OCTOBER OF 27 WOULD
WHAT HE HAS ON HERE IS SEPTEMBER 26 DESIGN BEGINS.
CORRECT. >> SO IF WE START DESIGN TODAY, WHEN CAN WE ISSUE -- BE READY FOR BID.
HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE YOU? WE GET A CONTRACT IN FEBRUARY.
YOUR LOOKING AT 11 TO 12- MONTH PROCESS BECAUSE WE WOULD, DURING THAT PROCESS, IT DEPEND ON WHAT YOUR DELIVERY PROCESS IS AS WELL.
ARE WE DOING CONSTRUCTION MANAGER RISK, OR COMPETITIVE PROPOSALS.
ALL BRING OUT THE CONTRACTOR OR NOT.
WE WOULD HAVE PERIODIC COST REVIEWS TO CHECK US DURING THAT TIME. SO THAT'S SOME TIME IN THERE AS WELL AFTER SCHEMATIC DESIGN AND DD OR 50% CDS. WHEN YOU GET THROUGH IT ALL, IT WILL BE AN 11- MONTH PERIODISH.
>> SO MY ISSUE IS I'M GETTING MY YEARS MIXED UP.
>> YEAH. NEVER SEE SOMETHING TAKE A YEAR TO DESIGN OTHER THAN HIGHWAY AND BUILDINGS. SEEMS LIKE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR YOU CAN GET THE STUFF DESIGNED IN SIX MONTHS.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF IN- USE AND YOU HAVE TO GATHER THE INFORMATION. SO THAT IS PART OF THE PROCESS.
>> OKAY. SO 40 MILLION IF WE START FEBRUARY 1ST WITH YOU.
>> WHICH STILL PULLS IT UP BECAUSE THAT'S DESIGN OF SEPTEMBER. SO MAYBE SIX MONTHS SAVINGS.
>> NO DOUBT THERE WOULD BE A COST SAVINGS.
AND JUST FYI, WHAT WE'RE -- AGAIN, THIS IS JUST YOUR BEST CRYSTAL BALL. AT THE GIVEN TIME AND TALK TO CONTRACTORS. 2026, 7% ANNUAL ESCALATION.
IT COULD BE MORE. IT COULD BE LESS.
BUT THAT'S OUR BEST CRYSTAL BALL AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SO, JUST FYI ON THAT.
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OKAY. SO OPTION 1A IS A SINGLE STORY BUILDING. DON'T HAVE -- I WAS ASKED TO DO A TWO- STORY OPTION AND WHAT THAT WOULD BE. AND THAT CAME UP BECAUSE WE'RE ASSUMING DUE TO THE SOILS IN THIS AREA IT WOULD BE STRUCTURE SLAB.AND SO IF YOU GO TWO STORY, YOU'RE LIMITING THAT EXPOSURE. AND SO WITH THAT OPTION B ON A CONSTRUCTION COST STANDPOINT YOU WOULD SAVE APPROXIMATELY $630,000. BECAUSE YOU'RE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF YOUR STRUCTURAL SLAB, WHICH IS MORE COSTLY THAN A SECOND FLOOR CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE YOUR ROOF IS ALREADY THERE.
YOU GOT THAT. BUT NOW YOU'RE TAKING THAT AND PUTTING IT INTO THE SLAB. SO THAT'S THE COST FOR THAT.
SO YOU GET A LITTLE BIT OF SAVINGS THERE.
YOUR TOTAL PROJECT COST SO THE FF AND E.
ASSUMING ALL NEW FURNITURE. WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE OR NOT. WE HAVE NOT GOT ON THE THAT LEVEL OF DISCUSSION. IF THERE'S EXISTING FURNITURE THAT COULD BE USED, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, THAT'S OUR DESIGN TEAM AND OWNER COST OF CONSTRUCTION, THAT'S THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF ON YOU. SURVEYS, INFRASTRUCTURE POTENTIALLY, YOU SHALL HAVE SOME CONTINGENCY IN THIS AS WELL.
THINGS LIKE THAT. MATERIALS, TESTING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE IS WHAT THE OWNER COST OUTSIDE CONSTRUCTION IS.
OPTION 2A, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IF WE SHELL THAT SPACE? WHAT DOES THAT DO? AND WHAT THAT SHELL SPACE IS THERE IN THE LOWER LEFT, THAT IS FOR THE FUTURE DISPATCH AND OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND EOC. AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE. 4,091 SQUARE FEET.
AND SO, THAT'S ABOUT A REDUCTION OF ABOUT 200 BUCKS JUST SHELLING IT OUT.
IT'S RAW SPACE. JUST NO CEILINGS.
YOU GOT LIGHTS HANGING THERE. YOU GOT YOUR STRUCTURE IN, THOUGH. YOU'RE PUMPING IN AIR. THE HVAC SYSTEMS WOULD BE DESIGNED TO TAKE ON THAT. YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $175 REDUCTION COST PER SQUARE FOOT.
FOR THAT. AGAIN, IT'S SAME PROJECTIONS HERE ON WHAT WE'RE ACHIEVING.
10- YEAR, 20 YEAR AND FUTURE PHASES.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE A SHELL SPACE COST OF 2.5.
SO THIS IS A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE OPTION HERE BECAUSE IT'S ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IN YOUR MAIN BUILDING.
>> AND THERE'S YOUR OVERALL COST.
OPTION 2B, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION --
>> CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ON THAT?
>> SO WE'RE JUST ADDING -- WE'RE JUST ADDING THE SHELL ROOM, RIGHT?
DISCUSSION -- >> WAIT A MINUTE.
GO BACK ONE. SO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES 4. 5 MILLION. WHAT WAS THE 2A COST FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES?
>> $300,000 FOR YOU GUYS TO DESIGN A SHELL ROOM?
>> YEAH. WE'RE STILL HAVING TO DESIGN PART OF THAT SPACE. WE'RE STILL HAVING TO COORDINATE WITH THE CONSULTANTS ON THE HVAC. WE'RE STILL HAVING TO DESIGN THE EXTERIOR.
>> I KNOW. WHEN IDENTIFY HAD -- AGAIN, I HAVEN'T HAD MEP DONE ON A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT. I'M ASKING YOU, $3,000 TO DESIGN TWO WALLS, MEP PART OF IT, NOT EVEN THE ELECTRICAL PART, JUST PUTTING IN A COUPLE LIGHTS AND PUTTING HVAC IS $300,000 --
>> NO, IT IS MORE THAN THAT. WE'RE DESIGNING IT AS IF -- WHEN THEY MOVE IN, YOUR DISPATCH, WHICH HAS A LOTTERY DUN DANSY AND POWER REQUIREMENTS THAT IS READY TO GO.
SO THERE WILL BE A LOT OF POWER COORDINATION, FLOOR POWER COORDINATION IN THAT SPACE.
IT IS -- WHAT YOU'RE SAVING IS ON THE -- WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO DESIGN IT THAT WAY AND MAKE SURE -- WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO CDS, IT'S STILL TIME AND EFFORT ON OUR PART AND ALSO COORDINATION WITH THE CONSULTANTS ON GETTING IT ALL
RIGHT. >> IT GOES BACK TO WHAT JAMES TOLD ME A LONG TIME AGO THAT YOUR PROJECT COST -- WHAT DID YOU SAY, USUALLY DESIGN IS 10% OF YOUR PROJECT COST.
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I ALWAYS WONDERED THE PEOPLE DESIGNING HAVE AN INCENTIVE TOOVER DESIGN AND OVERMAKE A BIGGER PROJECT BECAUSE IF YOU CAN MAKE 2 MILLION OR 4 MILLION, YOU WOULD NATURALLY -- THIS IS AN EXPENSIVE THING.THAT'S WHY IT TRIGGERED ME TO AT LEAST ASK THE QUESTION.
I'M ALWAYS TRYING TO MAKE YOU MONEY BUT NOT BUY A BOAT OR SOMETHING WITH YOUR MONEY ON THIS.
ALL RIGHT. >> SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FACILETIZING THE SHELL ROOM FOR THE 911 CENTER, DOES THAT INCLUDE ALL THE CONDUIT FOR FUTURE AV WIRING?
>> FLOOR, WALL, CEILING. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PULL WIRE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY CONDUIT, WHEN WE PUT THE EQUIPMENT FOR 911 CENTER, ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT, THE RADIO DISPATCH, THE SCREENS AND EVERYTHING, IS ALL THE CONDUIT ALREADY IN THE WALLS, FLOOR AND CEILING SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT AFTER THE
WE WOULD COME TO A POINT IN THE WALLS, ALL THAT BE READY TO GET PLUGGED INTO.
>> ALL THAT WOULD BE COORDINATED BECAUSE WE DO NEED PATHWAYS FOR YOUR I.T. CABLING.
AND FOR YOUR POWER AND FOR THE SECONDARY POWER.
SO ALL THAT IS COORDINATED. SO IT'S NOW OR LATER IS SITTING THERE READY TO BE ACCESSED.
>> ARE THERE ANY WIRING PULLED, POWER AV AT THAT TIME.
>> WE WOULD RUN -- WELL, WE WOULD PROBABLY RUN POWER TO THAT POINT, JUNCTION BOX.
>> RIGHT. BECAUSE IT COULD CHANGE OVER
UNDERSTOOD. >> BUT THAT WOULD BE A SECOND INFRASTRUCTURE PACKAGE ON THE
AV. >> THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION, THANK YOU.
>> OKAY. SO, THAT'S YOUR SHELL SPACE OF 4,091 SQUARE FEET. AND THEN THERE WAS A CONVERSATION, WELL, CAN WE SHOVE THE COURT IN THERE AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS IN SHOVING THE COURTROOM IN HERE IS VERY PROBLEMATIC.
JUST AS A GRAPHIC REPRESENTATION SO WHEN WE GO TO 2B -- SORRY. I'M GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF HERE. SO AGAIN, YOU HAVE 2A, SHELL SPACE. AND SO YOU'RE BUILDING MORE, THINGS GET A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE.
YOU GO TO 2B AND THERE'S A COST.
WHAT IF WE TRY AND SHOVE THAT COURTROOM INTO THERE? AND WE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF WAYS. TRYING TO GET IT DOWN 7, 000, 6,000, IT IS PROBLEMATIC. AND THIS COULD BE LOOKED AT FURTHER, BUT IT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE.
AND SO WE SAID, ALL RIGHT, WHAT IF WE JUST BUILT OUT THE COURTROOM THERE, JUST AND COME IN LATER, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT WOULD BE MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
WE SHOW IN THIS LINE RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN -- YOU CAN SEE THE OUTLINE OF THE SHELL- OUT SPACE IS THERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE TO ACCOMMODATE THE COURTROOM IN SOME FORM OR FASHION, YOU'RE ADDING SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE MAIN BUILDING HERE.
>> YOU NOW HAVE DOUBLE THE SPACE, 4,000 SQUARE FEET OF DEAD SPACE THEN TO REPROGRAM TO SOMETHING
>> I THOUGHT THE IDEA WASN'T TO FULLY ENABLE THEM TO USE THE FULL SPACE AS THOUGH IT WAS THEIR OWN -- THE ULTIMATE BUILD- OUT WOULD BE THIS, YES. BUT I THOUGHT THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WAS WHAT COULD THEY TEMPORARILY USE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY USE CITY COUNCIL ROOM AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OF THOSE OFFICES OVER
THERE. >> 500 SQUARE FEET RIGHT
SO WHY COULDN'T THEY -- YEAH, IT WOULDN'T BE IDEAL.
IT WOULD BE SQUISHED. AND I REMEMBER JUDGE LUCAS WAS IN THERE --
>> IF WE THROW TABLES AND CHAIRS IN THERE.
>> THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE INITIAL THOUGHT WAS IS --
>> I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT PART. THAT'S FINE.
>> TABLES AND CHAIRS AND LET THEM UTILIZE THE SPACE THAT'S NOT -- THIS IS JUST TABLES AND CHAIRS WITH A DAIS, RIGHT? AND SO THAT WAS THE INITIAL THOUGHT WAS UTILIZE THE EXISTING SPACE. DON'T MAKE IT TOO BIG. AND LET THEM JUST KIND OF HAVE A PLACE THAT'S -- BIGGER THAN THIS BUT NOT IDEAL.
>> WHAT IT WOULD BE IS -- YOU WANT TO KEEP IT TO THE MASTER PLAN IDEALLY.
WE WANT TO SHOW, HEY, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET WITH THIS.
SO I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT PART. SO IF WE CAN JUST SHOW BASICALLY LIKE A TRAINING ROOM OF SOME KIND, WE CAN JUST SHOW WHAT TABLES AND CHAIRS GET YOU.
>> IT MAY HELP, JAMES, IF HE TOURED WHAT THEY HAVE NOW, I
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MEAN, OUTSIDE OF -- I HAVEN'T GONE TO COURT YET, BUT I'M ASSUMING JUDGE LUCAS IS HERE.THERE'S SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE. I MEAN, THEY'RE LIKE IN A BREAK ROOM. SO I REMEMBER THE JUDGE SAYING THAT I DON'T NEED AN OFFICE. WE DON'T -- WE BASICALLY WANT SOME PLACE WE CAN MEET THAT'S NOT -- THEY'RE TAKING PAYMENTS OUT OF A WINDOW THAT ALSO DOUBLES AS -- USED TO BE THE UTILITY OFFICE, I THINK.
>> WELL, LET ME COME BACK WITH WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE THERE SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT IS.
BECAUSE IT IS STILL WITH -- AGAIN, TRYING TO FATHOM SOME PORTION OF GROWTH HERE ON WHAT THE JURY DUTY DAYS WILL BE.
AND OF COURSE PARKING AS WELL.
>> YOU HAVE A JURY ROOM. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE JURIES. I'M NOT TRYING TO SQUEEZE EVERYBODY, BUT THE JUDGE HAS --
>> THIS IS AN ULTIMATE 20- YEAR OUTLOOK ON
>> 10% OF THE THING -- I'M LOOKING AT THE JUDGE'S OFFICE. WE ONLY HAVE COURT TWO DAYS A WEEK AND ONE DAY IS REMOTE. HIS OFFICE IS BIG ENOUGH TO WHERE HE CAN HAVE A CITY COUNCIL MEETING IN THERE.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE COST OF THIS -- WHEN YOU START DOING THIS AND IT COMES OUT $8 MILLION, THIS IS WHERE WE GOT IN THAT ISSUE THE FIRST MEETING WHERE $2 MILLION FOR A GYM, $8 MILLION FOR A COURT.
>> THIS IS WHY I WANT TO SHOW THIS TO KIND OF SHOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE TO MAKE THIS WORK. IT IS GOING TO BE CRAMMING IT IN THERE. I CAN SHOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
>> THAT'S ASSUMING WE WANT THE JUDGE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE TEN PEOPLE IN HIS OFFICE COMFORTABLY SITTING AT TABLES.
RIGHT? HE HAS A CONFERENCE TABLE IN THERE. I THINK HE HAS A BIGGER OFFICE THAN THE CHIEF OF THE WHOLE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AGAIN, $200 A SQUARE FOOT AND START TALKING LIKE, OKAY, 1,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE AND THEN, IS IT WORTH $200,000?
>> I'LL JUST PUT HIM A TABLE IN THE CORNER
SOMEWHERE. >> HALF THE TIME HE'S AT HOME.
OR IN THE OFFICE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
OKAY. >> SO THIS -- AND THE POINT OF THIS EXHIBIT WAS TO FLUSH THIS OUT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SOME BACK AND FORTH HERE AND OBVIOUSLY I MISUNDERSTOOD SOME OF THAT. BUT THIS IS -- WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER SWING AT THIS AND WE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO, THIS IS WHAT BASICALLY IT STAYS THE SAME AS FAR AS WHAT YOU'RE ACHIEVING. YOU CAN SEE ON THE 20- YEAR OUTLOOK IT'S THE COURT. AND OF COURSE MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE. YOU GOT YOUR COURT NOW IN THERE.
AS YOU CAN SEE WE'RE GETTING TO MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE, SO IT'S MORE COST. THEN OPTION 3, JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE, IF YOU BUILT EVERYTHING OUT FOR 20 YEAR, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE.
I DID THIS TO GIVE YOU WHAT THE TOTAL ENCHILADA WOULD LOOK LIKE. YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE IS UP THERE.
COURT WOULD HAVE IT OWN SEPARATE ENTRANCE ULTIMATELY IS WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS.
IF YOU CAN SEE HOW THE FUTURE PHASES WOULD KIND OF BE -- EVENTUALLY WHAT THEY WOULD BE. OF COURSE, 20-YEAR OUTLOOK, EVERYTHING IS ACHIEVED. OBVIOUSLY WE JUST KEEP GETTING MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE. YEAH.
OPTION 3 THERE, NOT 2B. OF COURSE WITH EVERYTHING IN THERE, THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PRETTY GOOD PRICE TAG THERE.
BUT THAT'S 20 YEARS GETTING EVERYTHING FOR 20 YEARS. SO, THAT POINT OF REFERENCE IT MAY, MAY OR MAY NOT BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS.
SO. >> DID I MISS THE OPTION OF OPTION 1 WITH THE -- LIKE TODAY'S NEEDS WITH COURT? BECAUSE I DON'T -- WAS THAT IN ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT I MISSED.
IT SEEMS LIKE COURT WAS ROLLED INTO -- THAT'S ONLY IN THE 20 OR 30- YEAR PLAN, IS THAT TRUE?
>> WELL, THE COURT WITH TODAY'S NEEDS WAS USING THE SHELL AND JUST TABLES AND CHAIRS AND MINIMAL, RIGHT? NOT DESIGNING IT FOR
COURT. >> THAT'S WHAT THAT IS RIGHT THERE. IT IS THAT SHELL
SPACE. >> I THOUGHT THAT SHELL SPACE WAS FOR THE FUTURE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DISPATCH? LET COURT USE THAT IN THE MEANTIME.
LET IT BE BUILD OUT AS EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT. >> BUT THEN WHEN EVER YOU GO BACK TO OPTION 3, I THOUGHT YOU HAD COURT IN THAT EXACT SAME
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HERE IS MY QUESTION, 2A, THAT'S JUST A SHELL OUT. THAT'S NOT A FINISH- OUT, RIGHT?>> SO IT DOESN'T -- IT'S NOT FOR COURT THEN.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'LL COME BACK.
>> NOW YOU ARE ADDING -- YOU'RE ADDING COST PER SQUARE FOOT BECAUSE YOU ARE SOME MINIMAL FINISH OUT.
WALLS. >> WHAT'S THE PICTURE 2B LOOK LIKE? 2B IS THAT TWO STORY?
>> 2B IS SHOWING YOU THE COURT.
>> OKAY. SO 2A, YOU CAN MAKE 2A BE A TWO STORY?
>> IT'S IN THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER.
>> WELL, THAT WAS THEN. THIS IS NOW.
>> BETWEEN 2B AND THIS. THAT CORNER, THAT CORNER IS A DIFFERENT SHAPE.
>> WELL, IT IS. WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW IF YOU SEE THE DASHED LINES GOING THROUGH THERE, THAT'S THE SHELL SPACE.
>> SO IT'S EXPANDING THE SHELL SPACE AND THEN RECONVERTING IT TO COURT?
>> NO. >> WHICH WE NEVER ASKED FOR, YEAH.
EXACTLY. >> SO, THIS PURPOSE WAS JUST TO SHOW THE CHALLENGES OF PUTTING THE COURT THERE. IN SOME FORM.
AND THE FORM HERE IS JUST TABLES AND CHAIRS.
SO I WOULD TAKE 2B AND FORGET ABOUT IT.
>> CAN YOU DELETE IT RIGHT NOW?
>> CAN YOU DELETE IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S CONFUSING US.
WE GOT SLIDES AND STUFF WE DIDN'T ASK
FOR. >> IT'S ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS. 2B, FORGET YOU EVER SAW IT.
>> I HOPE I NEVER GO TO COURT BECAUSE WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY MAY COME BACK AND BITE ME. I HAVE NO STOMACH FOR $7 MILLION COURTROOM. I DON'T KNOW THE SIZE OF THIS. IF YOU HAD TO GUESS, WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THIS ROOM RIGHT HERE.
>> THIS IS 4,000 SQUARE FEET THIS ROOM RIGHT HERE? THIS ROOM HERE --
THIS ROOM WITH THE RESTROOMS, THE CONFERENCE ROOM THAT THEY USE RIGHT NOW AND THEN THE LOBBY SPACE IS RIGHT AROUND 5,000, 5,500 SQUARE FEET.
>> OKAY. SO, I THINK MY OPINION IS BECAUSE ONE DAY OF COURT IS ONLINE, ONE DAY OF COURT IS IN PERSON, WE ONLY HAVE TWO DAYS OF COURT A WEEK, I THINK WE NEED TO BUILD OUT THE SHELL SPACE. THAT BE A TEMPORARY COURT TO FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE $7 MILLION FOR A COURT, EITHER THE POLICE GOT TO ISSUE A LOT MORE TICKETS OR HE'S GOT TO GO A LOT MORE FINES BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU BUILD A $7 MILLION COURTROOM THAT'S USED IN PERSON ONE DAY A WEEK.
>> IT'S 7 MILLION BECAUSE IT'S A SMALL BUILDING.
AND SO IT'S MORE OPTION PER SQUARE
FOOT. >> IT'S ROUGHLY THIS BUT THEIR'S ALL THE TIME AT LEAST UNTIL WE FIND ANOTHER PLACE TO MOVE THEM IN FIVE OR TEN YEARS AND ALSO WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SO THEY HAVE SECURITY AND DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PEOPLE MEDALING WITH THE LIBRARY.
>> WHAT WE'LL FOCUS ON IS 2A HERE AND SHOWING WHAT THAT COURTROOM WILL LOOK LIKE COME HELL OR HIGH WATER SHOVED INTO
FINISHING IT OUT TO WHERE THERE'S CARPET AND AC AND IF THEY NEED TO USE PARTITIONS, IF THEY NEED -- HE CAN USE PARTITIONS TO HAVE LITTLE OFFICEOFFICE SPACE CHAIRS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MY THOUGHT WAS.
YOU LET HIM USE IT TEMPORARILY.
>> I MISINTERPRETED THAT. THAT'S ON ME.
>> I WOULD JUST SAY HAVE COURT HERE AT CITY HALL MORE OFTEN. AND DON'T HAVE AN EXTRA
SPACE. >> WELL, I THINK THE ISSUE HE'S BEEN BRINGING UP IS WE'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE CRIMINALS AND DOING THINGS THAT ARE INTERACTING WITH THE LIBRARY PEOPLE AND THEN A COUPLE TIMES THEY GET BELLIGERENT AND WE DON'T HAVE POLICE HERE OR BAILIFF.
I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE --
>> I COULD AFFORD A BAILIFF FOR ANOTHER 100 GRAND A
I KNOW. WE'LL EAT THAT SAVINGS UP REAL QUICK. BUT I DON'T THINK A PERSON THAT COMMITS A CRIME NEEDS TO HAVE PLUSH CARPET.
I'M NOT SAYING EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE IN A CINDER BLOCK BUILDING, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE POLICE GOT ONE.
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WE'RE NOT BUILDING THE TAJ MAHAL FOR COURT. BUT I DO WANT THE JUDGE AND HIS PEOPLE TO BE -- BECAUSE ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH TRYING TO GET COURT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FITIN THAT BOX? >> WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS USING THIS AS A TEMPORARY -- AS WE PREPARE TO PHASE IN THE COURT
ITSELF. >> I THINK I HEARD THAT BUT I DISINTERPRETED AS JUST BEING TABLES AND CHAIRS.
THAT'S WHAT I DIDN'T -- AGAIN, THAT'S ON ME.
SO WE'LL LAY THIS OUT. WE'LL GET IT TO THE JUDGE AND EVERYBODY AND SEE WHAT IT IS.
>> YEAH. I GUESS IT'S HOW BEST HE WANTS TO PROGRAM 4,091 SQUARE FEET. HE DOESN'T HAVE ONE FOOT
MORE. >> WE KNOW WHAT OUR ASSIGNMENT
IS. >> HE CAN TAKE JAMES' OFFER AND STAY HERE.
>> WHAT ABOUT 2B, THE TWO STORY. DO YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN, A LAY- OUT ON THAT?
>> WHAT COLLAPSE -- WHAT PART OF THIS THAT WE SEE GOES ON TOP OF -- OH, SORRY 1B.
LAYOUT. >> HE DIDN'T SHOW THE SECOND
STORY. >> I DON'T HAVE A FLOOR PLAN FOR A TWO STORY. THAT'S JUST NOT IN OUR --
APPROXIMATELY? >> HE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
>> YEAH. DOING A TWO STORY IS -- THERE'S SO MUCH EXPANSION HERE. ONE STORY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT A TWO STORY, THAT'S PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS AND WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE. THEN YOU'RE REALLY GETTING INTO -- WHEN YOU'RE EXPANDING -- WELL, YOU CAN DO IT A MILLION DIFFERENT WAYS.
>> IF YOU'RE ONE STORY EVENTUALLY YOU RUN OUT OF SPACE.
WHEN YOU'RE TWO STORY, WE JUST SAVED HALF OF OUR SPACE.
CHIEF IS OKAY WITH HE MAY COME UP AND SAY NO.
BUT I REMEMBER HIM SAYING HE DOESN'T MIND A TWO STORY.
SOMEONE ELSE SAID, HEY, I PREFER A ONE STORY BUT IT WASN'T A DEAL KILLER.
IT DEPENDS ON THE DEPARTMENT, THE CHIEF, THE CULTURE. WE TAKE OUR DIRECTION FROM
THEM. >> WHEREVER YOU PUT STORAGE.
ANYTHING YOU DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC RUNNING AROUND, YOU PUT ON THE SECOND STORY. ONE STORY, MORE DOORS AND
WINDOWS. >> EVERYTHING WILL BE SECURE.
>> A QUESTION IN GENERAL, WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE 10 AND 20- YEAR OUTLOOK, WHERE DOES IT TALK ABOUT THE 911, 10- YEAR OUTLOOK OR 20- YEAR OUTLOOK.
>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN --
YOU. >> WE'LL JUST MOVE THAT OVER.
>> THE QUESTION IS WE NEED TO KNOW 1A, 1B 2A AND 3 AND IF WE WANT TO HIRE YOU TO THE DO THE WORK. IS THAT THE THREE QUESTIONS?
>> THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. OR WHETHER -- YEAH.
YOU HAD TO DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANT THE COURT IN THERE OR
NOT. >> AND 1A AND 1B HAVE THE COURT IN THAT BUILD- OUT SHELL, RIGHT? OR 2A IS WITH THE COURT THERE?
>> THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT
YOU CAN MAKE THAT BE A TWO STORY.
>> THE TWO STORY WOULD BE ROUGHLY 200 GRANDLESS.
>> YES. APPROXIMATELY WE'RE REDUCING THAT SLAB.
>> THEN IF WE START DESIGN NOW THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER SIX MONTHS OF COST SAVINGS.
>> WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE. WE HAD CITIES SO CONFIDENT THEY WOULD PASS, THEY SET US UP
EARLY. >> I'M READY TO SET YOU OFF BECAUSE WE HAVE $5 MILLION. DESIGN IS NOT MY PROBLEM.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GO WITH 2A AS A TWO STORY. WE DIRECT STAFF TO BRING BACK AN AGREEMENT FOR THEM. AT THE FIRST MEETING THAT IS PRACTICALLY AVAILABLE TO BE DONE. AND THAT WE GET READY FOR A 2026 BOND
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ELECTION AND THAT DENNY HAS TO HAVE US ENOUGH ELEVATIONS AND THINGS TO GIVE PROPER NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.>> YEAH. WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT DELIVERY METHOD. BUT BY THAT TIME WE'LL HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH DOCUMENTS TO PRICE ACCORDINGLY.
>> SECOND. >> 4 MILLION BUCKS AND I HOPE YOU CAN -- YOU'LL GET THERE. SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. AND I WOULD LIKE US TO HAVE A MEETING SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, TOO, TO DISCUSS SEE MORE VERSUS BIDDING OUT. I GET IT.
HE'S PROJECTING 7. 5% INCREASES NEXT YEAR, BUT EVERYBODY -- NO ONE PROJECTED SILVER TO BE $8 AN OUNCE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
WHERE I'M GOING, EVERYBODY HAS A PROJECTION. BUT FROM MY EXPERIENCE, THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS IS SLOWING DOWN.
WE SEE IT IN OUR BUILDING NUMBERS THAT WE JUST GOT THIS WEEK. WE'RE RUNNING 75% LESS THAN WHAT WE DID A COUPLE YEARS AGO. AND I'M NOT REAL CONFIDENT IN THE PROCESS PERSONALLY.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT A PROPOSAL LOOKS LIKE AND THEN I'M NOT SO SURE I WOULDN'T BEBE OKAY AN ACTUAL COMPETITIVE BID TO WHERE WE CAN REALLY GET SOMEONE IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE SEEING THE SAVINGS FITZ PARK ISN'T GETTING DONE REAL QUICK BECAUSE OF SEYMORE. WE HAVE ISSUES BETWEEN THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION PERSON.
>> THERE'S ADVANTAGES TO EACH. THERE'S DISADVANTAGES TO EACH.
>> IF I WAS A CONSTRUCTION GUY AND DOING SEYMORE. I WOULD NEVER GO A NUMBER LESS THAN I WAS 100% CONFIDENT I WAS GOING TO LOSE MONEY.
I WOULD START AS HIGH AS I CAN THINKING WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET IMPROVED AND THERE'S A LOT OF IN BETWEEN. IN IDEAL WORLD IN THEORY IT SHOULD BE EVERYBODY IS WORKING TO REDUCE THE COST TO BARE MINIMUM. WE'LL SOON FIND OUT IF WE GET A PROJECT THAT COMES IN UNDER PROJECT.
MY GUESS IS THEY HIT BUDGET ALL THE TIME BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SPEND WHATEVER MONEY THEY CAN. IF WE APRIVATE YOU FOR 4. 5 MILLION. GUYS, GUESS WHAT, I GOT IT DONE IN 3. 8 MILLION. MY GUESS IS HE'LL COME BACK IN 4. 5 MILLION ROUGHLY. BUT I COULD BE WRONG.
I DON'T WANT TO JINX US. YOU MAY COME BACK SUPER.
>> MAYOR, WE'RE NOT POSTED FOR ACTION ON THIS
>> CLARIFICATION. I KNOW WE WERE LOOKING AT 2A, BUT WHAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS NOT APPLICABLE ANYMORE,
>> LET'S BRING THIS BACK SO WE CAN VOTE AND THAT WAY WE CAN GIVE YOU CLEAR DIRECTION AT THE NEXT MEETING.
>> THANKS FOR POINTING IT OUT. I HATE TO START THE 40 MILLION PROJECT OFF WITH ILLEGAL VOTE THAT GETS
VOIDED. >> JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT I HEARD WAS 2A BUT THE SHELL OUT INCLUDES FINISH OFF TO THE POINTPOINT WHERE COURT COULD IT.
>> WELL, BUT LET ME -- BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD -- MY UNDERSTANDING IS TO GO AHEAD AND GET UNDER CONTRACT AND WORK ON THE TWO STORY BASED ON
CORRECT. >> BUT THE SHELL OUT INCLUDES MORE WORK THAN WHAT YOU WERE INITIALLY PLANNING.
>> VINYL FLOORING, WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO TO WHERE THE JUDGE IS
HAPPY. >> THAT'S THE EASY PART.
>> WE'LL BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING SO WE CAN FORMALLY GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF.
SORRY CHIEF. I WAS HOPING TO GET THIS THING GOING LIKE THAT. WE HAVE TO WAIT A COUPLE WEEKS.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION OR IDEAS THAT WE'RE NOT THINKING?
>> FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, I'M THINKING IF WE GO TWO STORY, YOU'RE KIND OF LOCKED IN TO THAT FINAL BUILD-OUT. WHERE ONE STORY, ONCE YOU HAVE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH LAND OPTIONS AND SO FORTH --
>> THAT GOES BACK -- THAT'S WHY THE TWO STORY IS LIKE YOU SAID, THAT WILL TAKE TIME TO VET OUT BECAUSE IT DOES INVOLVE WHAT GOES DOWN ON THE FIRST STORY EXPANSION WISE, WHAT GOES UP IN THE SECOND STORY AND WE'LL BE FIGHTING THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE THE WHOLE TIME.
AND IT WILL BE A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH WITH POLICE AND ABOUT HOW IT WORKS, YOU KNOW, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT IS -- THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT DESIGN TIME. BUT WE KNOW WHAT OUR ASSIGNMENT IS. WE KNOW WHAT THE OBJECTIVE IS.
AND WE'LL -- THAT'S WHERE WE'LL GET TO.
PROBABLY MEANS THAT SOME OF THE FIRST FLOOR WILL BE ABLE TO POP OUT AND EXPAND.
I DON'T KNOW THAT. BUT WE'LL WORK THROUGH THE
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PROCESS.>> BUT THE TWO STORY WON'T THE OVERALL FOOTPRINT BE SMALLER SO WE HAVE MORE AVAILABILITY OF EXPANSION OF ONE
YES. >> IF YOU HAVE A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT THING ON THE BOTTOM, SAY PATROL WAS ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT NOW IT'S ON THE BOTTOM AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE IF YOU GO TWO STORY, AND THEY GO TO MOVE, MAY NOT BE EASILY MOVED TO THE SECOND STORY BECAUSE THE WAY THEY GOT TO PROGRAM ALL THE SPACE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY TO MAKE SURE THEY --
>> PATROL OFFICERS TO GO FROM THE FIRST TO THE SECOND JOB TO DO THEIR JOB.
THE WHOLE BOX WERE TO MOVE TO THE SECOND STORY.
>> OH, YEAH. >> YOU CAN'T PROGRAM AS EASILY ON A TWO STORY.
ONE STORY -- >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT PATROL ON THE SECOND STORY.
>> THANK YOU. BUT I'M JUST THINKING BEYOND JUST PATROL. I'M THINKING ABOUT THE COURTROOM. I'M THINKING ABOUT THE WHOLE
GAMUT. >> PATROL WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE.
THE LOCKERS COULD BE IN THE SECOND
STORY. >> WHAT I'M THINKING RIGHT HERE IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT USING THE SHELL SPACE FOR THE COURTROOM. SO IF WE GO SECOND STORY, IT'S MY ASSUMPTION THAT THAT COURTROOM WOULD BE ON THE SECOND STORY. IS THAT A SAFE ASSUMPTION? BECAUSE ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO RE- WORK THIS WHOLE THING?
>> WHAT YOU SEE RIGHT THERE, IF WE GO TWO STORY THIS NO LONGER EXISTS. IT'S A WHOLE REDESIGN.
>> SO JUST ONCE WE GO TWO STORY, THIS DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE.
WE'RE STARTING FROM SCRATCH. AND WE'LL GET IT FIGURED OUT.
ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS, THOUGH, IDEALLY YOU WANT YOUR DISPATCH UP ON THE SECOND LEVEL FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
IF THAT'S A SHELL COURTROOM THAT PRESENTS A CHALLENGE OR REPRESENT OR REINCORPORATE ITS OWN SEPARATE ENTRY OR GOES DOWN ON THE FIRST FLOOR. WE WILL WORK THROUGH SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS ON THIS.
THERE WILL NOT BE ONE ABSOLUTE WAY TO DO THIS.
THERE WILL BE BACK AND FORTH ON THIS.
>> SO, WE WILL GET IT, AND THERE WILL BE NEGATIVES AND POSITIVES TO EACH ONE AND WE'LL WORK THROUGH IT.
>> A LOT OF LOGISTICS TAKING PLACE FOR SURE.
>> I'MLY THING ONE STORY IS THE WAY TO GO.
YOU'RE SAYING START ALL OVER. IT'S TAKEN FOUR MONTHS TO GET TO THIS POINT.
>> NO, IT HAS NOT TAKEN FOUR MONTHS TO GET TO THIS POINT. THIS IS FAIRLY --
>> BACK IN SEPTEMBER, RIGHT? WASN'T IT?
>> FIRST MEETING WE MET IN SEPTEMBER AND HERE WE ARE IN JANUARY. I'M REAL BIG ON TIME.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU OUT ON TIME.
IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S COMPLICATED, GOT TO START ALL OVER FOR 600 GRAND, WE'RE GOING TO BLOW THROUGH THAT IN ESCALATION COSTS. AND SO --
>> WELL, IT'S YOUR CALL. IT WILL GO THROUGH SCHEMATIC DESIGN PROCESS, DD PROCESS AND CD PROCESS. AND SO -- BUT, YES. IF WE GO TWO STORY, WE WILL HAVE TO REWORK THIS, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. BUT THERE'S -- YEAH.
>> WE CAN TALK TO JAMES MESSAGE BOARD AND GIVE YOU DIRECTION OR GIVE HIM DIRECTION AT THE NEXT MEETING. WE HAVE TO PUTT OR GET OFF THE GREEN AND GET STUFF TO THE
>> ALL RIGHT, DENNY. GOOD TO SEE
[10.4. Discussion and possible action regarding Employee HR Handbook, including but not limited to full time employee time card recording. (Mayor Snyder)]
>> NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 10. 4 DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING EMPLOYEE HR AND HANDBOOK, FULL TIME EMPLOYEE TIME CARD RECORDING. AND I JUST LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO BRING BACK CHANGES TO THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK THAT WOULD REQUIRE ALL EMPLOYEES TO REPORT THE TIME IN AND TIME OUT ON THEIR TIME
>>. >> ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?
>> YEAH. I'VE GOT SOME THOUGHTS ON IT AND IDEAS. SO, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE ALL EXEMPT EMPLOYEES REPORT TIME, WOULD THAT BE LIKE A BADGE IN, BADGE OUT AT CITY HALL? WOULD THAT JUST BE SELF REPORTING, WHAT'S THE IDEA THERE?
>> I WOULD SAY FOR ME I WOULD SAY SELF REPORTING.
I DON'T WANT TO SUSPEND MONEY TO HAVE TO GO DO THIS.
BUT I LEAVE IT TO THE CITY MANAGER TO FIGURE OUT HOW BEST TO IMPLEMENT
SO, YEAH. SO SOME OF THE THOUGHTS THAT I HAD ON IT WHEN I SAW THIS ITEM, I REALLY KIND OF PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO THIS AND WAS REALLY LOOKING AT MAYBE SOME OF
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THE POTENTIAL DOWN SIDES TO THIS.I THINK SOME OF THE UP SIDES WOULD BE WE GET A MORE ACCURATE REPORTING OF WHAT ACTUALLY PEOPLE ARE DOING. YOU GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHETHER THEY'RE OVERWORKED, THEY'RE COMMONLY PUTTING IN A LOT MORE HOURS THAN THE 40 A WEEK OR LOT LESS. YOU CAN GET A GOOD FEEL FOR THAT THERE. BUT SOME OF THE POTENTIAL DOWN SIDES I WOULD LIKE US ALL TO CONSIDER AND INCLUDE, IF WE DID DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS, IT COULD CREATE SOME CULTURAL AND MORAL ISSUES WITHIN CITY HALL AND WITHIN ALL OF THE STAFF. WHEN WE REQUIRED LOGS FROM SALARIED STAFF IT'S OFTEN VIEWED AS A LACK OF TRUST.
THAT COULD PERMEATE THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION.
IT'S ALSO COULD BE DEVALUATION OF THEIR STATUS.
MANY EMPLOYEES ASSOCIATE EXEMPT STATUS WITH PROFESSIONAL AUTONOMY. HAVING TO KIND OF TRACK THE TIME, THAT MAY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE MORE TREATED AS AN HOURLY WORKER RATHER THAN A SALARY EMPLOYEE. IT COULD KIND OF ENCOURAGE EMPLOYEES TO START LOOKING ON LOOKING BUSY, DOING PERFORMATIVE WORK RATHER THAN ENGAGING IN THE DEEP, STRATEGIC WORK THAT WE'RE EXPECTING THEM TO DO.
I DID SOME RESEARCH ON THIS AND IT COULD -- WE NEED TO MAKE SURE -- I THINK LEGAL WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS, THERE'S NO WAY IF SOMEBODY IS REPORTING LESS TIME IN A WEEK, YOU CAN'T DOCK THEIR PAY FOR THAT LEGALLY.
YOU WOULD STILL PAY THEM THE 40 HOURS BUT LET'S SAY FOR INSTANCE, THEY REPORT THEY ONLY WORKED 30, 35 HOURS IN A GIVEN WEEK, WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL THAT THE HR HANDBOOK DOESN'T SAY YOU START DOCKING THEIR PAY BECAUSE LEGALLY YOU COULD GET INTO SOME LEGAL ISSUES THERE.
THEN ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FOUND IN MY RESEARCH WAS THAT IF, FOR INSTANCE, YOU'VE GOT AN EXEMPT EMPLOYEE WHO IS CONSISTENTLY PUTTING IN A LOT MORE HOURS THAN THE ANTICIPATED 40 A WEEK, THIS COULD PROVIDE A PAPER TRAIL FOR THEM TO USE TO BASICALLY COME TO THE CITY POTENTIALLY FILE A LAWSUIT TO SAY, HEY, I'M GETTING UNDERPAID FOR MY POSITION. AND USE THAT AS JUSTIFICATION FOR THEM TO GET -- TO BASICALLY BE RECLASSIFIED OR TO GET A RAISE. SO, WE NEED TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT THAT, LOOK AT IT. THEN ALSO -- I'M GLAD THE MAYOR CLARIFIED THIS, WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A VERY COMPLEX THING WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO PURCHASE SOFTWARE, PURCHASE EQUIPMENT WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO BADGE IN, BADGE OUT.
THAT WOULD CREATE MORE HEAD COUNT, MORE HR KIND OF TRACKING IT AND DOING ALL THAT. SO, DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. AND THEN ALSO, BASICALLY JUST TO FOCUS ON QUANTITY RATHER THAN QUALITY.
I'VE BEEN A SALARIED EMPLOYEE MOST OF MY WORKING LIFE.
AND MOST OF MY JOBS HAVE BEEN AROUND GET THE JOB DONE.
I DON'T CARE HOW MANY HOURS IT TAKES YOU.
YOU KNOW, SOME WEEKS YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN 30 HOURS A WEEK.
SOMETIMES YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN 50 HOURS A WEEK.
IT DEPENDS ON THE PROJECT YOU'RE ON. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE WORKING ON.
I WORRY THAT SETTING THAT PRECEDENT MAY HUMAN NATURE IS OFTENTIMES GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE TEND TO GO TO, I'M GOING TO DO THE MINIMUM IF I'M BEING TRACKED ON MY HOURS.
I'M LESS LIKELY TO LOG IN AT NIGHT.
THOSE KIND OF THINGS. WORK LATE AT NIGHT.
I'M JUST GOING TO PUT IN MY 40 HOURS AND CUT IT OFF AT THAT AND BE LESS LIKELY TO WORK THAT OVER.
SO, JUST SOME CONSIDERATIONS. SOME OF THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN. IT MAY NOT APPLY.
BUT, IT'S JUST THOUGHTS THAT I
HAD. >> SO MY THOUGHTS ARE, WE'RE ATTACKING WHAT STARTED AS PERCEPTIONS OF PEOPLE NOT BEING AROUND AND COMPLAINTS ABOUT SERVICE TIMES AND RESPONSE TIMES. AND WE'RE ATTACKING THAT AS CHECKING HOURS THAT PEOPLE ARE HERE VERSUS ESTABLISHING GUIDELINES OF WHAT THOSE RESPONSE TIMES ARE EXPECTED TO BE AND WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING AS A CITY. I THINK THAT'S THE APPROACH WE SHOULD BE TAKING IS FOCUSSING ON THE OUTCOMES AND THE QUALITY AND THEN THE REST OF IT TAKES CARE OF ITSELF FROM THERE.
SO YOU SAID QUALITY VERSUS QUANTITY.
I THINK WE'RE ON A SIMILAR LINE OF THINKING
I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE WE TRYING -- WHAT ISSUE ARE WE TRYING TO FIX.
WHAT'S BROKEN THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIX. IS IT THAT PERCEPTION THAT CITY HALL CITY EMPTY. PEOPLE AREN'T WORKING HERE VERSUS IS THE WORK NOT GETTING
DONE. >> THAT AND I CAN'T GET A CALL BACK. I CAN'T GET AN EMAIL BACK.
WHAT IS THE EXPECTATION? WHAT SHOULD PEOPLE BE GETTING? BECAUSE JUST TRACKING THE HOURS DOESN'T CHANGE THOSE
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OUTCOMES ANY WAY.>> RIGHT. AND IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SELF REPORT THE HOURS -- AND.
>> AND IF THE PROBLEM IS REALITY OR PERCEPTION OF THE OUTCOMES THEN WE SHOULD BE WORKING ON THE OUTCOMES.
>> SO I CAN ANSWER YOUR GUY'S QUESTION.
I DON'T THINK I'M ATTACKING ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT I HEARD FROM OUR HR AUDIT WAS WE OPERATE ON HONOR SYSTEM. AND I'VE BEEN A SALARIED WORKER FOR 18 YEARS. MY EXPECTATION IS YOU GET YOUR JOB DONE, SATURDAY, SUNDAY EVENINGS, BUT I DON'T GET THINGS LIKE COMP TIME. AND WE'RE ON AN HONOR SYSTEM AND WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING A LOT OF HOURS THAT, I'LL BE HONEST, IF THEY'RE WORKING 65 HOURS A WEEK REGULARLY, THEN THEY EITHER NEED MORE HELP OR MAYBE THEY DO NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF GRIEVANCE AGAINST US FOR WORKING THAT MANY HOURS. AND WHY ARE THEY WORKING THAT MANY HOURS? IS IT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DOING THEIR JOB THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE.
IS IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM THE RESOURCES THEY NEED? SO I DON'T KNOW THIS ATTACKS ANYTHING. I THINK, IF ANYTHING, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOUR COMPANIES WORK. WE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT TECH COMPANIES. THEY'RE QUICK TO LAY PEOPLE OFF. HIRE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE. FIRE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE AND EVERYBODY MAYOR PRO TEM TOLD ME ONE TIME PEOPLE COME UP AND BADGE IN AND THEN THEY GO HOME AND THEN THEY COME BACK BECAUSE YOU GOT TO WORK SO MANY DAYS IN THE OFFICE. WE HAVE EXTREMELY FLEXIBLE SYSTEM HERE, MORE FLEXIBLE THAN I WOULD ARGUE ALMOST ANY OTHER COMPANY PRIVATELY THERE IS. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO MUCH IF PEOPLE ARE TRACKING COMP TIME AND ALL THIS. I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO MUCH TO SAY WHEN YOU TURN IN YOUR HOURS INSTEAD OF SAYING I WORKED EIGHT HOURS THIS DAY AND THIS DAY YOU PUT IN I CAME IN AT 7:50 AND LEFT AT 2:50.
AT THE END OF THE WEEK, SOME WORK 30, THAT'S FINE.
THEY'LL GET PAID BECAUSE THEY'RE SALARY.
BUT I THINK THEN THE CITY MANAGER KNOWS, HEY, I CAN ADD MORE TASKS TO THEIR ABILITIES BECAUSE THEY'RE CONSISTENTLY WORKING LESS. TO ME, I LOOK AT IT MORE AS A MANAGEMENT TOOL OF EVERYTHING IS THIS PERSON IS WORKING TOO MUCH. WE NEED TO TAKE THINGS OFF.
THESE PEOPLE CAN HAVE MORE THINGS ADDED AND WE CAN BE MORE FLEXIBLE. SO THAT'S WHY I DON'T ENVISION YOU'RE BADGING IN. PEOPLE WRITE DOWN THEIR HOURS AND WE'LL 10- 80- 10 RULE.
10% OF THE PEOPLE WILL DO IT WRONG.
THAT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
I DON'T LOOK AT IT AS A PUNITIVE.
NOW THEY'LL KNOW I'M PUTTING IN 65 HOURS A WEEK RELIGIOUSLY AND MAYBE I CAN GET SOME HELP BECAUSE THE CITY MANAGER COMES TO US REGULARLY AND SAYS, WE NEED MORE HELP OVER HERE.
WELL, HOW DO WE KNOW? HOW DO WE KNOW OUR OUTCOMES ARE NOT WHERE WE WANT THEM TO BE NOT BECAUSE A STAFFING ISSUE, COULD BE AN EMPLOYEE ISSUE.
WE'RE RELYING ON THE HONOR CODE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT MUCH TO ASK TO WRITE WHAT HOURS YOU'RE IN AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER CAN IN HIS DEPARTMENT HEADS CAN USE THAT AS A MANNER TO EDC IS TOO BUSY.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THEM DO EVENTS ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO BUSY WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT THIS GROUP OVER HERE, THEY CAN PICK IT UP, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS MORE TIME AND THEY CAN DO THAT FOR NOW UNTIL THE SPRING -- THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
SO NOT AS -- I WOULD HOPE SOMEWHAT OF A MORAL BOOSTER FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BUSTING THEIR HUMP EVERYDAY GOING I'M GOING TO GET RECOGNIZED AND MAYBE GET SOME HELP.
>> CLARIFICATION. I'M SORRY I'M NOT AWARE OF THIS. SO WE HAVE SALARY POSITIONS THAT GET COMP TIME?
RIGHT? >> I'VE BEEN IN A SALARY POSITION FOR 40 YEARS. I'VE NEVER GOTTEN COMP TIME.
EXPLAIN. >> MAYOR, COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER FOR THE RECORD.
OKAY. SO, COMP TIME IS PREDOMINANTLY FOR US TO RECORDRECORD SALARIED EMPLOYEES ARE HAVING TO DO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IS NORMALLY EXPECTED IN THEIR TIME AND THAT SORT OF STUFF. SO LET'S SAY WE HAVE A SATURDAY EVENT. WELL, THAT'S NOT NORMALLY IN YOUR NORMAL WORKWEEK MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8 TO 5.
SO, IF YOU'RE SALARIED, YOU DON'T GET ANY CONSIDERATION FOR THAT UNLESS THERE IS A COMP TIME POLICY.
>> IF YOU'RE HOURLY, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY FOR OVERTIME SO ON AND SO FORTH.
BUT LIKE WISE, IF YOU'RE A SALARIED EMPLOYEE, AND YOU'RE NOT AT CITY HALL OR YOUR NOT AT YOUR JOB OR WHATEVER ELSE THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY AND YOU'RE SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEN THERE'S THE PERCEPTION THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE SALARIED AND YOU CAN DO THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, THAT YOU'RE BEING DISHONEST OR STEALING OR SLACKING OFF OR ANY OF THAT OTHER SORT OF STUFF. SO, FOR ME, THE COMP TIME POLICY
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WAS DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY -- IT'S PREDOMINANTLY CITY COUNCIL, PLANNING AND ZONING, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS BECAUSE THOSE ARE USUALLY NIGHT MEETINGS AND YOU ALL ALL KNOW TYPICALLY THIS MEETING IS AN EXTRA DAY'S WORTH OF WORK FOR MOST PEOPLE BUT IT'S ALSO THE EVENTS AND THOSE THINGS WHERE SALARIED EMPLOYEES ARE GOING. IT'S NOT AUTOMATIC.IT'S NOT HEY I WORKED 55 HOURS THIS WEEK SO I GET 15 HOURS COMP TIME.
IT'S NOT THAT. AND THIS WAS IN THE REPORT THAT THE HR ATTORNEY GAVE.
>> THE WAY IT WORKS SIT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE MANAGER OR THE DIRECTOR, WHATEVER ELSE, FOR THAT TO BE QUALIFIED.
SO, YOU DO HAVE A NUMBER OF SALARIED EMPLOYEES WHO WORK WELL OVER 40 HOURS A WEEK. THEY DON'T GET COMP TIME BECAUSE THAT'S JUST WHAT IT'S TAKING THEM TO GET THEIR JOB DONE.
OKAY. THEN YOU HAVE SALARIED EMPLOYEES WORKING WELL OVER 40 HOURS A WEEK AND THEY'RE HAVING TO ATTEND NIGHT MEETINGS HERE, THAT OR THE OTHER SO THEY ARE GETTING SPECIAL ACCOUNTS FOR TIME. PEOPLE AREN'T IN THE OFFICE OR SALARIED OR NOT WORKING OR SALARIED, I REQUIRE THEY USE LEAVE. SO TYPICALLY THE COMP TIME IS WHAT GETS USED FOR THAT. AND THEN THAT WAY I CAN PROVE TO THE PUBLIC, SOMEONE SAYS, HEY, I SAW -- I'LL USE ME. I SAW THE CITY MANAGER OUT AT HOOKY WATCHING A MOVIE AT 2:00 P.M. ON WEDNESDAY.
HE'S STEALING MONEY FROM THE CITY. I CAN SAY I USED LEAVE FOR THAT TIME. I WAS NOT IN THE OFFICE.
THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE WORK IT. IT IS NOT AN AUTOMATIC.
IT'S NOT LIKE IF YOU'RE SALARY -- IF YOU'RE HOURLY AND YOU WORK OVER 40 YOU AUTOMATICALLY GET OVERTIME. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT
WAY. >> IF I WORK A NINE- HOUR DAY, I DON'T GET ONE HOUR OF COMP TIME.
>> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SPECIAL EVENTS.
WHETHER A SATURDAY THING OR PLANNING, ZONING MEETING OR WHATEVER.
>> THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT GENERATES IT GENERALLY.
>> OKAY. >> IT'S USUALLY SPECIAL EVENTS AND USUALLY THE NIGHT MEETINGS THAT ARE SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE
OKAY. >> OCCASIONALLY THE SATURDAY MEETINGS WHEN EVER THOSE HAPPEN, TOO, FOR THE PUBLIC. THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT I CAN SHOW ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE PUBLIC.
SOMEONE IS NOT IN THE OFFICE ON MONDAY, IT'S BECAUSE THEY WERE HERE FOR EIGHT HOURS ON SATURDAY DOING THE SATURDAY
RIGHT. >> THAT'S WHAT I USE IT
FOR. >> SO, WE HAVE ACCOUNTING FOR THIS COMP TIME BUT NOT ANY ACCOUNTING FOR REGULAR TIME?
>> WELL, WE DON'T ACCOUNT FOR THE HOURS THAT YOU WORK.
WE ACCOUNT FOR THE HOURS THAT YOU DON'T WORK.
THE COMP TIME IS THE EXCEPTION TO THAT RULE.
BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE SOME WAY FOR US TO ACCOUNT FOR THE USE OF SOMETHING BY THERE BEING POOL OF THAT RESOURCE. SO, IF YOU ARE -- IF YOU ARE WORKING AND ELIGIBLE AND RECEIVE APPROVAL FOR COMP TIME, THAT GETS RECORDED ON YOUR TIME SHEET. BUT SALARIED EMPLOYEES, AS OF RIGHT NOW, ONLY RECORD WHEN WE'RE NOT WORKING.
SO I'M OUT SICK, I'M ON VACATION, I'M ING COMP TIME.
>> WE ALSO RECORD I WORKED THIS ONE PROJECT FOR A MEETING OR WHATEVER ELSE AND I EARNED COMP TIME. THAT'S ALL THAT THE SALARIED EMPLOYEES REPORT TODAY.
>> NOW MY PHILOSOPHY WAS BUILT ON USUALLY IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE WITH FSLA RULES WHEN YOU REQUIRE PEOPLE TO RECORD THEIR HOURS WHEN THEY'RE SALARIED.
THAT'S THE PHILOSOPHY THAT I'VE OPERATED UNDER.
BUT I COULD JUST AS EASILY HAVE THE SALARIED EMPLOYEES REPORT AND SAY, HEY, ON MONDAY I WORKED TEN HOURS. ON TUESDAY I WORKED EIGHT HOURS.
ON WEDNESDAY I WORKED -- YOU KNOW, I CAN HAVE THEM DO THAT.
I'VE JUST DEFAULTED ON THE MORE CONSERVATIVE SIDE OF NOT REPORTING YOUR HOURS WORKED SO WE DON'T SLIP OUR WAY INTO SOME A CLAIM THAT, HEY, YOU TREATED ME LIKE AN HOURLY EMPLOYEE, SO YOU OWE ME --
>> THAT'S THE FSLA REFERENCE. I THINK THE ATTORNEY --
>> RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU CAN DO THAT.
IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW IS, IN MY MIND, THE MORE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH BECAUSE NOBODY CAN MAKE THAT CLAIM.
>> AT ALL BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TRACKING
IT. >> BUT I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK OUT OF TURN WITH THE ATTORNEY, BUT WE'RE NOT ON ANY SLIPPERY SLOPE LEGALLY. GOING FORWARD.
>> WITH THIS MEASURE. NOW THE NEXT -- WE COULD DO THIS FOR TWO YEARS AND THE NEXT THING WE BRING UP MAY GET DOWN THERE, BUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS NOT A SLIPPERY SLOPE.
>> BUT WE COULD USE THAT ARGUMENT ON EVERYTHING.
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IF WE BUILD THIS POLICE STATION FOR 50 MILLION, I MEAN, THAT COULD BE A SLIPPERY SLOPE TO WHERE THE NEXT ITEM, NOW THEY WILL WANT 60 MILLION FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. TO ME, I LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE ITEM AT HAND AND THEN IS THIS AN ISSUE LEGALLY. IF IT IS OR ISN'T, WHAT SHOULD WE DO? I CAN'T WOSHRY ABOUT WHAT FUTURE COUNCIL MAY OR MAY DO THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO DO BECAUSE I'VE SEEN SOME CRAZY STUFF OUT THERE.>> I'M NOT TRYING TO STRUCTURE THAT ARGUMENT.
I'M TRYING TO STATE THAT WHEN EVER I GOT HERE AND ASSESSED THE WAY THAT THE CITY WAS RECORDING TIME FOR SALARIED EMPLOYEES, I DID NOT ELECT TO MAKE A CHANGE BECAUSE IN MY MIND THIS IS THE MOST DEFENSIBLE WAY OF DOING IT IS TO ONLY RECORD WHEN EVER YOU TAKE TIME OFF. THAT'S WHAT I'M
>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
>> COULD YOU REPEAT THE MOTION,
PLEASE? >> TO DIRECT STAFF TO BRING BACK REVISION TO HR HANDBOOK THAT INCLUDES TIME CARD RECORDING FOR ALL EMPLOYEES.
>> SO SUGGESTIONS FOR WHAT COULD GO IN HR?
>> YEAH. MY EXPECTATION IS IF THIS PASSES, JAMES IS GOING TO COME BACK WITH A MANNER IN WHICH BY HEARING A DISCUSSION IT WON'T BREAK THE LAW. IT TRACKS PEOPLE'S TIME.
AND IT DOESN'T COST MONEY TO DO IT.
KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU SAID INSTEAD OF WRITING DOWN THE DAYS YOU'RE OFF AND HOW MANY HOURS OF COMP TIME OR WHATEVER SICK TIME YOU HAD, YOU WRITE HOW MANY HOURS YOU WERE HERE AND THEN THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
>> MOTION PASSES 5-1. I SAID 9:55, RIGHT?
[11. EXECUTIVE SESSION]
IT'S 8:57 I'M TWO MINUTES LATE.THIS BRINGS US TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
ANYTHING ANYBODY WANTS TO PULL THAT WE DON'T NEED TO GO BACK THERE FOR? THERE'S A LOT TO BE READ HERE.
WE HAVE ALMOST 11. 1 RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SEC 551. 071 REGARDING A THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE SCHMIDT'S CREEK PLANNED UNIT.
B, END LOCAL AGREEMENTS FOR ALLOCATION OF SALES TAX REVENUE. C, FOREIGN TRADE ZONEZONE APPLICATION ONE WAY INCORPORATED AND REQUEST FOR A NO OBJECTION LETTER AND D THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF HUTTO FOR THE PROJECT KNOWN AS ENDEAVOR HUTTO RETAIL. ITEM 11. 2, 551.071.
CONSULTATION WITH THE ATTORNEY AND DELIBERATIONS, 55.
1 REAL PROPERTY, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS, RELATED TO PENDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS BEING CONSIDERED BY THE HUTTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION OR THE CITY OF HUTTO INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO.
F THE ACQUISITION OF WATER AND/OR WASTE WATER EASEMENTS.
SUBDIVISION AND FINALLY C, FINALLY, 11.3.
PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551. 071 ATTORNEY CONSULTATION, AND SECTION 551.072 REAL ESTATE TO DELIBERATE, SEEK LEGAL ADVISE REGARDING A, THE ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY INTEREST AS PART OF THE CR 132 REALIGNMENT PROJECT, INCLUDING A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ACQUISITION INCLUDING BY USE OF EMINENT DOMAIN IF NECESSARY THE ESTATES
[12. ACTION RELATIVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION]
>>> IT'S 10:14. NO ACTION WAS TAKEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. NEXT ITEM 12, ACTION RELATIVE TO EXECUTIVE SEXES LISTED ABOVE. WE DENY THE --
>> OH, SORRY. WE COULD DO IT ON 12. 1, THOUGH, RIGHT? WAS THERE ANYTHING ON 12.1.
>> ITEM 12. 2, ACONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE X TO APPROVE A
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NO- OBJECTION LETTER FOR THE FOREIGN TRADE ZONE APPLICATION FOR HANARO ONE WAY.>> SECONDED BY PORTERFIELD. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.
12. 3, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION R.
2026- 012 AUTHORIZING THE ACQUISITION INCLUDING BY USE OF EM IN ANY EVENT DOMAIN, IF NECESSARY, OF REAL PROPERTY INTERESTS AS PART OF THE CR 132 REA LINEMENT PROJECT CIP T 41-2026.
>> MOTION BY GORDON, SECONDED BY MORRIS. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.
>> WAS THAT A MOTION IN FAVOR OF
APPROVAL? >> IN FAVOR OF APPROVING RESOLUTION R-2026. 012 AUTHORIZING ACQUISITION INCLUDING USE OF IMMINENT
THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD.
>> MOTION PASSES 6-0. CITY ATTORNEY, WERE WE GOING TO DISCUSS THE HANSON'S CORNER BEFORE WE WENT INTO -- WE WERE GOING TO GO AHEAD -- I THINK I WAS
GOING TO MAKE -- >> THERE WAS A LETTER IN THERE, I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY ATTORNEY TO SEND IT JUST YET.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE NEGOTIATIONS.
>> ALL RIGHT. BRINGS US TO ITEM 13.1. GENERAL COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL? I'LL BRING UP A THING I TALKED TO MATT WINOWSKI ON THE CHRISTMAS BREAK AND WHEN IT COMES TO PROCLAMATIONS WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO SHIFT THINGS IN AN EFFORT TO GET THE MEETINGS IN AT 9. WE HAVE HALF HOUR OF PROCLAMATIONS. AND SO, THE IDEA THAT I'M GOING TO TRY TO DO AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PROCLAMATIONS THAT MAYBE AREN'T SAME STATURE AS OTHER PROCLAMATIONS. AND SO, WHAT I WANT TO DO IS GOING FORWARD, THINGS LIKE MLK DAY, I THINK IS A VERY IMPORTANT ONE. THAT WILL BE AT A COUNCIL MEETING. SOME OTHER ONES THAT AREN'T WILL AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH WE'LL HAVE A DAY UP HERE, MAYBE BEFORE OUR WORK SESSION, OR ANOTHER DAY, EVERYBODY BE INVITED COME UP FOR PICTURES, INVITE THE PEOPLE. WE'LL HAVE A PROCLAMATION BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT THEM SIGNED. THEN THEY CAN BE SHARED ON SOCIAL MEDIA. STAFF CAN -- IF THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT WANTS TO RECORD IT AND SHARE IT, THEY CAN DO THAT. BUT THAT WAY OUR TIME WITH THE CITY COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD ANDAND THAT EVERY PROCLAMATION ISN'T IMPORTANT, BUT WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE SOME MEETINGS WE HAVE FOUR PROCLAMATIONS. IT'S JUST NOT -- TO ME IT'S TAKING AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, BLACK HISTORY MONTH IS TAKING AWAY FROM FIRST RESPONDERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST -- SO I TALKED TO THEM. WE'LL TRY THAT FOR A FEW MONTHS.
SEE HOW THAT WORKS. IF THERE'S A BUNCH OF PUSH BACK. NAUL AN EFFORT TO GET OUR MEETINGS OVER BY 9 BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
>> ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS YOU COULD CONSIDER IS SENDING A COUNCIL MEMBER TO MAYBE A MEETING THAT THEY'RE HOLDING AND READ THE PROCLAMATION THERE ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL AND THEY COULD BE LIKE -- IF THEY HAVE A MEETING, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S FOR SOME GROUP ORGANIZATION, THEN YOU COULD READ IT THERE. IT WOULD BE PART OF THEIR
WE'LL DO THAT. THAT'S SOMETHING ACTUALLY DAN AND I TALKED ABOUT ON A DEAL.
WE'VE DONE THAT WITH YOU WITH --
>> SO. ALL IN AN EFFORT, LIKE WE HAVE -- THERE'S A CHIROPRACTOR EVERY YEAR, I DON'T THINK SHE HAS A PRACTICE IN HUTTO, EVERY YEAR WE DO ONE AND WE COME UP. MAKES THE PROCLAMATION.
AND I READ IT AND PRESENT IT TO HER AND THEN SHE'S VERY HAPPY AND IT -- I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. THE OTHER THING IS, LIKE DURING OUR MEETINGS, I BROUGHT UP WE WON'T DO FOR RELIGION AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER THING I SAID RELIGION AND I FORGOT.
THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE. AND THE REASON FOR THAT WAS BEING THAT BECAUSE WE'RE SO DIVERSE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY -- I KNOW HOW MANY LANGUAGES WE'RE AT, 54 PLUS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY RELIGIONS.
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WE START DOING IT FOR RELIGION, I TOLD MY FEAR, WE'RE JUST DOING THEM FOR OVER AND OVER AND REALLY IT'S -- AGAIN, GOES BACK TO DIMINISHING. WE COULD STILL DO THEM.BUT IT MAY BE A PRESENTATION LIKE YOU SAID AT A MEETING, AT A SERVICE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE STILL WANT TO DO THAT. A BUSINESS THAT HAS A TEN- YEAR ANNIVERSARY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A COUNCIL MEETING THING. I THINK THAT'S A GO TO A BUSINESS AT A CHAMBER MEETING. WE'LL TRY AND DO THAT.
OPEN TO OTHER SUGGESTIONS, BUT ANYTHING TO GET US TO WHERE WE'RE MORE EFFICIENT WITH OUR TIME.
>> COUPLE OTHER THINGS. THESE ARE MORE FOR FOLLOW-UPS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED IT FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. COUNCIL MORE PORTERFIELD, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN ADA UPDATE.
WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT? I KNOW THAT TEX DOT HAD COME IN.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT NECESSARILY WE HAVE TO HAVE CONCLUSIONS OR FINAL WRAP UP, BUT WHERE ARE WE AT ON THAT? AND THEN ALSO IF WE ARE IN SOME TYPE OF NONCOMPLIANCE, IN THE PAST, HAVE WE MADE SURE THAT ALL OUR UDC AND ANYTHING GOING FORWARD IS NOW MEETING THOSE COMPLIANCE SO WE'RE NOT -- WE'RE NOT DUPLICATING THOSE ERRORS IN THE PAST. AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS ALSO ON THE BROWN WATER I THINK I PUT THIS UP WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
I THINK THAT WAS DONE MAYBE IN NOVEMBER OR EARLIER.
I THINK WE ALREADY APPROPRIATED SOME MONEY.
SO WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT? HAVE WE GOTTEN ANY TESTING POINTS? HAVE WE SENT IT OUT FOR WHO IS GOING TO DO THE ANALYSIS? SO JUST AN UPDATE ON THOSE TWO THINGS, FOLLOW UP. WHETHER IT'S AN AGENDA ITEM OR NOT OR CITY MANAGER COMMENTS HOW TO BEST MOVE FORWARD.
>> I'LL MOVE THOSE TO FUTURE AGENDA
COUNCIL? >> 13. 2, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? ALL RIGHT. AND WE WILL ADJOURN
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