* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. CLOSE TO [00:00:01] THE FIRE STATION. SIX O'CLOCK. CALL THE HIPPO HELPING HIPPOS DISCUSSION. COMMUNITY PARTNER. WAIT A MINUTE, YOU MESSED THAT UP. I'M MOVING TOO FAST. WE'LL CALL THE CITY COUNCIL WORK [1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER] SESSION FOR THURSDAY, JANUARY 22ND, 2026 TO ORDER. CHARLOTTE ROLL CALL CUSTOMER MORRIS. HERE. COUNCIL GORDON. HERE. DR. ORDER BILL HERE. OFFICER KING. HERE. MAYOR PRO THORNTON. MAYOR SNYDER'S HERE. ALRIGHT, THEN WE GO TO THREE [3.1. Hippos Helping Hippos: Discussion of Community Partnerships for City Events and Programs. (Kristi Barnes) ] ONE, UM, HIPPOS, HELPING HIPPOS DISCUSSION COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS FOR CITY EVENTS AND PROGRAMS. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL AND MAYOR, UH, CHRISTIE BARNES, COMMUNITY SHELTER OFFICER. PLEASURE TO MEET. UM, SO THIS EVENING, UM, WE ARE HERE TO INTRODUCE A CONCEPT CALLED HIPPOS, HELPING HIPPOS, UM, I BELIEVE FEBRUARY OF 2025. COUNCIL HAD DIRECTED STAFF TO, UM, BRING BACK SOME POLICY OR WAYS THAT WE COULD, UM, PERHAPS PARTNER OR LEVERAGE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO, UM, HELP EXPAND OR PERHAPS PIVOT OTHER EVENTS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON. SO THIS IS KIND OF A CULMINATION OF, OF THAT DIRECTIVE OF, ALONG WITH SOME OTHER, UM, IDEAS THAT WE HAVE, UM, IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY EVENTS AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW AS A, AS A CITY. UM, MY GOAL HERE IS TO SHARE CONTEXT, TO WALK THROUGH A POSSIBLE FRAMEWORK AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION. SO THE PURPOSE, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IS TO INTRODUCE THE CONCEPT TO SHARE OUR CURRENT EVENT LANDSCAPE AND RESOURCE CONSIDERATION TO REVIEW EVENT COSTS AND REVENUE DATA AND TO GATHER YOUR FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION. SO, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, UM, AS HOW GROWS OUR COMMUNITY EVENTS HAVE GROWN AS WELL. UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IN SIZE, COMPLEXITY AND THE NUMBER OF DEPARTMENTS INVOLVED, THESE EVENTS ARE MEANINGFUL AND VALUABLE, BUT THEY ALSO REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF COORDINATION WITH STAFF. TIME ACROSS PARK, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE LIBRARY, PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATION, AND OTHERS. STAFF HAS BEEN LOOKING AT HOW WE CONTINUE DELIVERING THESE EXPERIENCES SUSTAINABLY WITHOUT LOSING THE COMMUNITY CONNECTION THAT MAKES THEM SPECIAL. SO WHAT IS HIPPOS HELPING HIPPOS? UH, AT ITS CORE, THIS CONCEPT IS ABOUT PARTNERSHIP. THE IDEA IS TO EXPLORE TRANSITIONING OPERATIONAL LEADERSHIP OF SELECT CITY EVENTS AND PROGRAMS TO LOCAL NONPROFITS, FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS, OR OTHER COMMUNITY SERVING GROUPS. WHILE THE CITY CONTINUES TO PROVIDE STEWARDSHIP. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE CITY STEPPING AWAY NECESSARILY. UH, IT'S ABOUT THE CITY SHIFTING ROLES TO FOCUS ON SAFETY, ACCESS AND OVERSIGHT WHILE COMMUNITY PARTNERS BRING PROGRAMMING, FUNDRAISING, AND VOLUNTEER ENERGY. AND HERE IS A PROPOSED HIGH LEVEL BREAKOUT OF ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. SO UNDER THIS MODEL, THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS WOULD HANDLE THE PLANNING, FUNDRAISING, VOLUNTEERS, AND OVERALL PROGRAMMING OF EVENTS. THE CITY WOULD CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE PERMITTING, LOGISTICS, PUBLIC SAFETY, ACCESSIBILITY, AND OVERALL STANDARDS. UM, YOU CAN THINK OF THIS AS SHARED OWNERSHIP WITH CLEARLY DEFINED LANES, AND THE INTENT IS TO PRESERVE QUALITY AND CONSISTENCY WHILE REDUCING STRAIN ON STAFF AND INCREASING COMMUNITY INVESTMENT. SO WHAT IT TAKES TO DELIVER CITY EVENTS AND PROGRAMS. SOME OF THE DATA THAT YOU'LL SEE LATER ON IN THE SLIDES ARE FROM OUR LIBRARY PARKS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND I WANT TO, UM, PREFACE THAT THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF SOME OF THE EVENTS. SO WE DON'T HAVE, UM, A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF ALL OF THE EVENTS IN ALL OF THE PROGRAMS. JUST WANTED TO START SOMEWHERE AND PROVIDE A SNAPSHOT TO YOU ALL THIS EVENING. SO EACH DEPARTMENT WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE EVENT LEVEL DATA TO HELP ILLUSTRATE THEIR DIRECT OPERATIONAL COSTS, CONTRACTED AND SEASONAL STAFFING NEEDS, ATTENDANCE AND COMMUNITY REACH FACILITY AND LOGISTICAL CONSIDERATIONS. AND I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES WE'LL SEE SEASONAL AND CONTRACTS, STAFF COSTS ARE INCLUDED, BUT FULL-TIME STAFF HOURS ARE NOT. AND THE REASON FOR THIS IS BECAUSE FULL-TIME SALARIES ARE FIXED, UM, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER A SPECIFIC EVENT OR PROGRAM [00:05:01] OCCURS. AND NORMALLY FULL-TIME STAFF ARE MANAGING MULTIPLE PROJECTS SIMULTANEOUSLY. SO TRACKING EVENT SPECIFIC HOURS WOULD RESULT IN ESTIMATES RATHER THAN RELIABLE DATA FOR THIS EVENING. LUCY ON THAT MM-HMM . WITH WHAT YOU SAID. HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE HANDLE, UM, UPTIME FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING THOSE AND THEN ARE GOING TO TAKE OFF LATER IN THE WEEK IF WE'RE NOT TRACKING THEIR HOURS? SO THE HOURS ARE TRACKED AND IT, IT'S DEPENDENT ON THE DEPARTMENT AS FAR AS WHAT THE, THE DIRECTOR HAS HAS DIRECTED AT THAT TIME. SO IF THEY'RE HOURLY, THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THEIR TIME IN THAT WAY. IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN THAT'S HANDLED BY AT THE DIRECTOR LEVEL. WE, WE DON'T HAVE COST CENTERS TO, TO PUT LIKE, HEY, I HAVE 10 HOURS THAT I WORKED ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, AND NOW WE CAN GO BACKWARDS IN OUR SYSTEM AND SAY, HEY, HOW MANY HOURS WE PUT INTO THAT PROJECT? WE, WE DON'T, WE CAN'T DO THAT AS OF RIGHT NOW. SO THAT, THAT'S NOT THE SAME THING AS SAYING THAT THEIR TIME ISN'T TRACKED, IT'S JUST THAT IT'S NOT TRACKED TO THE LEVEL OF BEING ABLE TO TIE THAT TIME TO THAT SPECIFIC PROJECT. YEAH. AND COMP TIME WOULD BE FOR LIKE THE EVENT ITSELF. CORRECT. BUT THEY MAY HAVE DONE 20 HOURS OF WORK IN THAT EVENT DURING THEIR OWN WORKDAY. THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. YEAH. WHAT, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS, I WON'T SAY THE EVENT, BUT THERE WAS, I WOULD CALL IT A LOT OF HIGH POWER EMPLOYEES WORKING THERE AND I WAS LIKE, MAN, THERE'S LIKE HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN THREE EMPLOYEES WORKING THERE. AND IN MY MIND WHEN THEY TAKE THEIR COMP TIME AND THEY'RE OFF THERE IN THE WEEK, WHEN DID WE MISS OUT DURING THE WEEK? THAT COULD HAVE BEEN REPLACED BY A VOLUNTEER OR VOLUNTEERS. AND SO THEN, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I MEAN THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW. UH, WE JUST CAN'T, WE JUST CAN'T PRODUCE THAT DATA TO THAT GRANULAR LEVEL AS OF TODAY. OKAY. SO HERE IS A HIGH LEVEL SNAPSHOT FROM THE LIBRARY SPECIFICALLY ON A FEW OF THEIR PROGRAMS. UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT ESSENTIALLY HOW WE HAVE IT LAID OUT IS HOW MANY STAFF AND DAY THIS IS DAY OF THAT IT TAKES FOR THEM TO PRODUCE EACH PROGRAM AND ABOUT HOW MUCH IT COSTS. UH, AND ALONG WITH THAT, SOME OF THEM HAVE TOTAL NUMBER OF ATTENDEES. ARE THOSE JUST LIBRARY STAFF OR DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S ANY, THESE ARE ALL LIBRARY STAFF. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THE NEXT SLIDE YOU'LL SEE SPECIFIC CALL OUTS FOR CONTRACT AND SEASONAL STAFF IN THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS SLIDE? OKAY. SO THIS IS A SNAPSHOT FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. THE FIVE EVENTS AND PROGRAMS THAT WERE PROVIDED WERE THE KICKBALL LEAGUE, WINTER BREAK CAMP, VETERAN DAY CELEBRATION, THE EGG HUNT AND SUNSET BLOCK PARTY BASH. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE EXPENSES ON A FEW OF THESE, WE HAVE CONTRACT STAFF OR SEASONAL STAFF, AND THAT IS LISTED AS PART OF THE OVERALL EXPENSE SUNSET BLOCK PARTY. DO THOSE VENDORS PAY FOR THEIR BOOTH? UM, FOR THE SUNSET BLOCK PARTY THIS PAST YEAR? I'M NOT SURE IF THEY PAID FOR THEIR BOOTS, IF I CAN FIND OUT. THAT'S OKAY. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY IF THERE'S ZERO REVENUE, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN SOMETHING FOR THE, IN THE PAST IT WAS A FREE EVENT FOR LOCAL NONPROFITS TO POP UP AT ZERO COST. YEAH. THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE THERE. THE, UM, THE PEOPLE SELLING, RIGHT? I I BELIEVE AT THE BLOCK PARTIES WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PEOPLE SELLING ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE FOOD TRUCKS. AND SO I CAN CONFIRM ON THAT. HOW WAS THE, THE REVENUE, IS IT ROLLED BACK INTO THAT PROGRAM OR DOES IT GO BACK INTO A FUND AND GET REDISTRIBUTED LATER? SO, UM, THERE IS, SO THIS IS BROKEN OUT PER DEPARTMENT. SO EACH DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE THEIR OWN, UM, ACCOUNT LINE. HOWEVER, ULTIMATELY THESE ALL COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND. RIGHT. AND GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. RIGHT. THAT'S THE S THAT'S THE LATTER. GO BACK. THANK YOU ELSE ON THIS LINE. AND THE TWO [00:10:01] FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ARE THE HIPPO PLUS FALL AND THE MARKET. WE ALSO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BREAKOUT AS FAR AS PERSONNEL AND PUBLIC SAFETY. THAT INCLUDES, UM, ANY POTENTIAL OVERTIME THAT NEEDED TO BE PAID FOR SECURITY OFFICERS OR ANYTHING, UH, OF THAT NATURE. AND THEN THE HIPAA PAUSE CRAWL DOES HAVE A TICKETING COMPONENT. WHY WOULD SECURITY COSTS INCREASE UNDER A NON-CITY OPERATOR? 'CAUSE THEY WOULD BE GOING TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR ANY OTHER SECURITY VENDOR EXTERNALLY VERSUS INTERNALLY. WE COULD ALSO SET UP TO WHERE YOU HAVE THE SAME COSTS, THE SAME, SAME POLICE OFFICERS THERE. IT'S JUST, IT'S REALLY HOW WE SET IT UP. RIGHT? YOU CAN HAVE THE SAME PLEAS DOING THE SAME SERVICE DURING THE EVENT. ONLY THE REST OF THE STUFF FROM THE VENDORS TO THE TICKET SALES TO THE HANDLING DAY TO DAY COULD BE HELD BY THE NONPROFIT. UM, I I I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE POLICE OFFICER THAT'S ON DUTY COULD BE THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE REGULARLY ON DUTY COULD BE THERE AND THEREFORE THERE WOULDN'T BE A COST. I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACCURATE. BUT, BUT WHAT WOULD BE ACCURATE IS THE CITY COULD DECIDE THAT WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE THAT AS AN IN-KIND CONTRIBUTION AND NOT CHARGE THEM FOR IT. I'M SAYING LIKE, WHO DID THE, HOW DO IT, HOW DOES SECURITY WORK THIS YEAR? WE ACTUALLY HAD, WE ACTUALLY HAD ASSIGNED POLICE OFFICERS, RIGHT? THAT WERE CURRENTLY ON DUTY OR THEY WORKED OVERTIME. THEY, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WORKED OVERTIME, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WERE ANSWERING CALLS. I DON'T THINK, I'M JUST SAYING WE COULD HAVE THE EXACT SAME SCENARIO THAT THE CITY HAD THIS YEAR. ONLY SOMEONE ELSE IS PASSING OUT THE MUGS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? JUST BECAUSE A NONPROFIT PASSING OUT THE MUGS, THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY NECESSARILY HAVE. ALRIGHT. YEAH, LET ME TRY AGAIN. SO IF, IF, IF WE HAVE EXTRA OFFICER COVERAGE THAT NIGHT FOR SECURITY THAT IS COSTING US MONEY, WE COULD CONTINUE TO DO THAT. AND IT WOULD STILL COST US MONEY. IT WOULD STILL COST US, YOU KNOW, 14, 1500 BUCKS TO DO THAT. BUT IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, IT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER AN IN-KIND CONTRIBUTION. IE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO EXTRA OFFICERS. WE'RE PAYING MORE MONEY THAN WE WOULD TO HAVE THE SECURITY THERE, BUT THAT'S OUR CONTRIBUTION TOWARD THE EVENT. WE COULD DO THAT IF, BUT WHAT WE CAN'T DO IS SAY THE THE FOUR GUYS THAT ARE ON PATROL THAT NIGHT, THEY'RE JUST GONNA BE SECURITY THERE TOO BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'LL GET CALLS AND THEY'LL BE GONE AND THERE'LL BE NO SECURITY. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? OKAY, SO HERE IS OUR PROPOSED TIMELINE. SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT PREPARING THIS FOR YOU ALL TO GIVE DISCUSSION AND, AND FEEDBACK. UM, FEBRUARY 18TH IS THE DATES THAT WE ARE PLANNING TO HOLD IN COMMUNITY INFORMATIONAL SESSION. AND THAT'LL BE OPEN TO ALL NONPROFITS AND FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS AND REALLY ANYONE INTERESTED IN HIPPOS HELPING HIPPOS. UM, AND THEN BASED ON THE FEEDBACK AND INTEREST FROM THAT MEETING, WE WOULD COME BACK IN MARCH, UM, TO YOU ALL REFLECTING FEEDBACK AND THEN POTENTIALLY BETWEEN MARCH AND MAY, HAVING THAT PROCESS IN PLACE WHERE POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIPS AND AWARDS OR APPROVALS WOULD, WOULD BE MADE. AND THAT APPROVAL PROCESS WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR IN OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING AND KIND OF HOW WE SUBMIT APPLICATIONS AND HAVE A DEADLINE AND ALL OF THAT BE VERY SIMILAR TO THAT. SO YEAR ONE OF THIS CONCEPT WOULD BE EDUCATION AND SUPPORTIVE TRANSITION. UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT LEVEL AND WHAT SCALE THE NONPROFIT OR ORGANIZATION MAY BE TAKING OVER, UM, EDUCATION AND ORIENTATION FOR THE SELECTED PARTNERS, SHADOWING AND STAFF SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE, CITY SUPPORT TO ENSURE CONTINUITY AND QUALITY. AND I WOULD ALSO ADD SAFETY HERE AS WELL. I DIDN'T WRITE THAT DOWN, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A HUGE COMPONENT OF EVENTS AND, AND SUCCESS AS WELL AS CLEAR EXPECTATIONS AND EVALUATION METRICS. UM, THE CURRENT VISION BEHIND THIS YEAR ONE WOULD ALSO INCLUDE, UM, I THINK I TOUCHED ON WHEN I OPENED, BUT THAT WE WOULD LICENSE EVENTS, UM, AND STILL KIND OF OWN IT AND THEN ASSESS [00:15:01] THE SUCCESS THROUGHOUT THAT WAY. YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN, UH, WE WOULD STILL KIND OF OWN THAT, THAT EVENT AND BE ABLE TO REMOLD IT AND RESHAPE IT AS NEEDED. SO A FEW KEY CONSIDERATIONS FOR YOU ALL. UM, WHAT TYPES OF EVENTS FEEL APPROPRIATE FOR THIS MODEL? WHAT LEVEL OF CITY SUPPORT FEELS RIGHT? AND FOR HOW LONG? WHAT SHOULD ELIGIBILITY LOOK LIKE FOR COMMUNITY PARTNERS? AND REALLY ULTIMATELY, HOW CAN WE DEFINE SUCCESS? UM, THESE ARE SOME HIGH LEVEL QUESTIONS THAT I AM HOPING TO GATHER THIS EVENING, IF NOT PERHAPS, UM, VERY SOON BECAUSE WE ARE SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY 18TH INFORMATIONAL SESSION. UM, AND WE DO HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE ALREADY INTERESTED IN THAT. HOW DO PEOPLE, HOW ARE PEOPLE ALREADY INTERESTED IF WE HAVEN'T LET THE PUBLIC KNOW ABOUT THIS? UM, SO WE DID A SAVE THE DATE JUST TO NONPROFITS THAT WE HAVE INTERNALLY THAT WE'RE AWARE OF AND THAT WAS SENT OUT. UM, WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH COMMUNICATIONS AFTER THIS EVENING TO, UM, SEND OUT ON ALL OF OUR MEDIA PLATFORMS AND WEBSITE TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT. CAN WE REACH OUT TO ALL THESE OTHER NON-PROFITS AFTER? ARE WE GIVING THEM ANY CRITERIA OR QUESTION OR ARE THEY JUST COMING IN AND SAY, HEY, WE WANNA SIGN UP, OR WHATEVER IT IS. ARE WE GIVING 'EM SOME CRITERIA TO GIVE US FEEDBACK ON, LIKE SOME OF THESE THINGS HERE, DO WE SHARE SOME OF THAT? NOT LIKE, NOT SEEK COUNCIL SUPPORT, BUT WHAT ARE THEY WILLING TO DO AND WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT INCORP, DOES THAT EXIST? DOES THAT, CAN THAT BE INCORPORATED IN THEIR SCHEDULE ALREADY? ARE THEY ALREADY DOING SOMETHING OR WOULD THEY DRIVE SOMETHING NEW? YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. YEAH. SO, UM, GREAT QUESTION. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE INFORMATIONAL SESSION IS FOR, IS TO ANYONE AND EVERYONE THAT IS INTERESTED IN THIS CONCEPT AND HIPPO'S HELPING HIPPOS OR THAT WANTS TO, AND MAYBE IT'S NOT TAKING, TAKING AN EVENT, MAYBE IT'S PARTNERING OR ADDING TO OR ENHANCING. UM, ALL OF THOSE THINGS WOULD BE DISCUSSED AT THAT TIME. AND RIGHT NOW, WHATEVER YOUR DIRECTION IS, WE CAN KIND OF TAKE THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE MOLD IT AND PRESENT IT IN THAT WAY. WELL, YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY ALREADY DOING THIS OR IN THE, IN THE BACKGROUND, DENNIS. MM-HMM . I THINK, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER HAT. I'M ON THE KEY PEDAL, BEAUTIFUL BOARD DIRECTOR, RIGHT. BOARD DIRECTORS. SO I WOULD, IF I WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS I WOULD THINK THAT BOARD WOULD WANT TO HAVE SOME INITIAL UNDERSTANDING PRIOR TO FEBRUARY 18TH, SO THEY CAN HAVE SOME PREPARATION. YOU MAY BE ALREADY DOING THIS OR, OR MM-HMM . PROPOSING THAT ALREADY. BUT I THINK THE MORE INFORMATION WE CAN GIVE OUT FOR THAT FEBRUARY 18TH, EVEN IF IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, A MATTER OF DAYS OR A WEEK, AND WHILE WE'RE FORMULATING THAT, I THINK THAT WILL GO A LONG WAY OF, OF HELPING US GET BETTER FEEDBACK FROM THE NON-PROFITS. AND ALSO MAYBE INTEREST PEOPLE THAT MAY NOT HAVE WANTED TO DO THAT OR THOUGHT THEY WERE A POTENTIAL. YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT THIS? NO. AND YOU GOT ANY INTERNALIST? THEY ARE. I TEND TO KEEP OUT. BEAUTIFUL. WELL, I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. , I KNOW COMMUNICATION. WHEN WAS IT SENT OUT? UM, LATE LAST WEEK. OH, OKAY. WELL, WE HAVE OUR MONTHLY, TOMORROW WE HAVE OUR MONTHLY AND IN SIX DAYS. SO THREE DAYS. SO ESSENTIALLY, I'M JUST TRYING TO SIMPLIFY IT FOR MY, SO, SO THE, THE CITY'S LOOKING AT, UH, SPREADING OUT THE WORKLOAD, SO TO SPEAK, AND THEN BASICALLY BE THE EVENT PLANNER. SO SAY YOU HAVE THREE DIFFERENT NONPROFITS OR GROUPS OR WHOEVER THEY COME TOGETHER, YOU SAY, SO WE'RE BASICALLY GONNA HELP THEM WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE THIS EVENT IN WHATEVER IT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE. SAY THREE, SAY THREE, THREE GROUPS COME TOGETHER AND SAY WE WANNA DO THE, THE, THE CRAWL. MM-HMM. WE WOULD, THE CITY ESSENTIALLY THE CITY STAFF WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE HELPING THEM COORDINATE ALL THAT TOGETHER. SO WE'RE NOT HANDING IT OVER TO ONE PER, WE'RE NOT HANDING IT TO JIM'S GONNA, HERE, JIM, YOU'VE GOT THE CRAWL 'CAUSE YOU WANTED IT. WE'RE SAYING JIM WANTS TO CRAWL, AARON WANTS TO CRAWL, CHARLES WANTS TO CRAWL, AND WE'RE GONNA BRING 'EM TOGETHER AND WE'RE GONNA KIND OF FACILITATE THAT. IS THAT REALLY KIND OF THE OVERARCHING YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S THE CURRENT VISION, BUT THAT I'M JUST TRYING TO GET WRAP AROUND. YEAH. AND I, I, I'LL NARRATE UH, A RESPONSE TO THAT, BUT, BUT LET ME STEP ONE STEP FURTHER BACK AND SAY IT, IT'S CONCEPTUAL RIGHT NOW. SURE. SO, SO WE'RE KIND OF, WE'RE KIND OF DOING THE SHOTGUN APPROACH. OKAY. RIGHT. AND THEN AS YOU GUYS HAVE OPINIONS OR FEEDBACK OR THE PUBLIC HAS THINGS TO SHARE, WHATEVER ELSE, THEN THAT LETS US DIAL IT DOWN MORE AND MORE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. WHAT I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE IS SOME SORT OF COMPETITIVE PROCESS WHERE THE, THE THREE [00:20:01] NONPROFITS IN YOUR EXAMPLE WOULD BE COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER TO TAKE OVER THE PROGRAM. AND, AND THEN IT WOULD BE, WELL, WHAT'S BETTER? WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S BEST FOR HUDA? LIKE, WHAT IS IT THAT, THAT THE THREE OF THEM ARE SAYING, HEY, IF YOU ALLOW US TO TAKE THIS PROGRAM, THEN THIS IS WHAT WE WILL GIVE YOU. AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MONEY. IT COULD BE, WE'LL, WE'LL VOLUNTEER AT YOUR JULY 4TH EVENT. IT COULD BE ANY OTHER NUMBER OF THINGS. RIGHT. THAT, THAT'S KIND OF HOW I'M ENVISIONING IT RIGHT NOW IS MORE OF A COMPETITIVE, WHAT GETS US THE BEST DEAL, YOU KNOW, SO, SO TO SPEAK. BUT TO YOUR POINT, YEAR ONE I'M ENVISIONING IT BEING VERY, VERY, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE. WHOEVER THEY IS, THEY DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE RUNNING THE EVENT. AND WE DO. SO THE FIRST YEAR WE WOULD BE WORKING TOGETHER. YEAH. MORE COLLABORATIVE. WE WOULD MORE COLLABORATIVE. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, IS MORE COLLABORATIVE THAT FIRST YEAR AND TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, YOU HAVE, YOU'VE HAD A SUCCESS. YOU, YOU'VE WORKED THROUGH THE ISSUES, YOU KIND OF KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT YEAR WE WOULD EXPECT TO, TO BACK OFF AND NOW IT'S YOU. BUT WE STILL HAVE OVERSIGHT, WE STILL HAVE PERMITTING SURE. SECURITY, THAT SORT OF STUFF. SO THAT WAY SHOULD SOMEBODY FUMBLE THE BALL OR WHATEVER ELSE, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO, TO CLOCK BACK. NOW IN YOUR, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS KIND OF LIKE YOUR, WHAT YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE OR WHAT, OR MAYBE WHAT YOUR IDEA OF WHAT IT WOULD BE. UM, OBVIOUSLY DEPENDING ON ALL FEEDBACK YOU SAID, UM, LET'S SAY THAT THE, UH, THE EVENT WENT REALLY WELL MM-HMM . LIKE BETTER THAN WE'VE HAD WHATEVER THE EVENT IS MM-HMM . DID THEY STILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND COMPETITIVELY BID THE NEXT YEAR TO DO IT AGAIN? OR DO THEY GET IN YOUR, IN YOUR IDEA? HOW DOES THAT WORK? I, I WOULD ALMOST THINK THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A LICENSE TO IT. I DON'T KNOW FOR HOW LONG. OKAY. BUT, BUT THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A REVISIT EVERY SO OFTEN I WOULD THINK. SURE. THAT WOULD ONLY BE FAIR. RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE NOW YOU HAVE CLAIMS OF FAVORITISM OR SURE. YOU BOARD PEOPLE CHECK ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. WHETHER THAT'S TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, FIVE YEARS, I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW. BUT I WOULD NOT SEE IT BEING EVERY SINGLE YEAR BECAUSE THAT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE, RIGHT? IF WE'RE HAVING TO GO BACK AND NOW RETRAIN A NEW GROUP AGAIN, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE ENOUGH TIME FOR US TO GET THE BENEFIT OF NOT HAVING TO DO IT RIGHT NOW, THE REAL CHALLENGE THAT I'VE IDENTIFIED AND I HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT HOW TO ANSWER YET, IS WHAT DO WE DO WHEN THERE IS A TRANSITION? BECAUSE WE HAVE STOPPED DOING THE EVENT BY THAT TIME AND WE NO LONGER HAVE THE EXPERTISE AND THE OTHER NONPROFIT DOES. AND IF THEY'RE LIKE, WE DON'T WANNA DO IT ANYMORE, OR THEY GET OUTBID, HOWEVER YOU WANNA SAY IT, THEN NOW WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME SCENARIO WE HAD AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS PROGRAM. I HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT HOW TO ANSWER THAT YET. SO THAT, THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S OUT THERE LEFT TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION TO. WELL, THAT KIND OF LEADS TO MY QUESTION, WOULDN'T THERE BE SOME SORT OF CITY OVERSIGHT THROUGHOUT ALL OF THIS AS IT'S, AS IT'S, UM, AS THEY'RE SHADOWING AND THEN TRANSITIONING? Y YES. BUT I, I, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT IN MY MIND, I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, LIKE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE LOGISTICAL EXPERIENCE IN YEAR ONE, BUT IF WE GIVE IT TO KIPATO BEAUTIFUL AND THEY RUN WITH IT AND THEY HAVE A FIVE YEAR LICENSE BY YEAR FIVE, WE NO LONGER HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE WITH THE EVENT AS WE HAD AT YEAR ONE BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT HAD OUR STAFF RUNNING IT, OUR STAFF MAKING THE DECISIONS, OUR STAFF, STAFFING IT, ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. SO IF THEN THERE'S A TRANSITION THERE, OUR ABILITY TO PROP THE EVENT UP WITH EXPERTISE HAS BEEN DIMINISHED BECAUSE OF THE TIME THAT'S PASSED. MM-HMM . JUST THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY HAVE LIKE THREE EMPLOYEES WHO DO LIKE A LOT OF THE PROGRAMMING. SO ONE OF THEM LEAVES AT THAT FIVE-YEAR WINDOW. NOW, NOW YOU NO LONGER HAVE, WELL YOU CAN'T GO BACK AND ASK HOW IT WAS DONE FIVE YEARS AGO. SO I JUST HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT HOW TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM SPECIFICALLY YET. I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE LIKE AN SOP MANUAL THAT GETS DEVELOPED OVER TIME WHERE YOU'RE JUST LIKE, HEY, IF YOU'RE RUNNING THE EVENT, HERE'S HOW YOU DO IT. HERE, HERE IT IS. I I MEAN, I'M SURE THERE IS AN ANSWER, I JUST HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED IT YET. WELL, WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED IT YET. YEAH. I WOULD THINK, UH, I WOULD THINK SOME SORT OF STANDARDIZATION SO THAT IT'S DUPLICATABLE, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, THESE CERTAIN THINGS, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SLIDE OR WHATEVER. YEAH. BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WOULD BE KINDA LIKE WHAT YOU SAID AT A SOP THAT YOU STANDARDIZE IT DUPLICATES IT, AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BASICALLY SLIDE THAT OVER AND GO, HEY, YOU'RE THE NEXT ONE IN LINE, YOU'RE DOING IT. HERE'S WHAT, HOW THIS HAPPENS. MM-HMM . AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT, THERE'S SOME DETAILS ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT. THE, THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED IS THE FIRST YEAR IS, IS GOING TO BE THE YEAR WHERE, WHERE WE AS THE CITY [00:25:01] GET THE LEAST BENEFIT OF DOING THIS BECAUSE WE'RE STILL GONNA BE PAYING FOR THE EVENT. WE'RE STILL GONNA BE FINANCIALLY SEATING THE EVENT. WE'RE GONNA DO ALL THE WORK FOR THE EVENT. AND I WOULD EXPECT THAT MOST NONPROFITS ARE NOT IN A POSITION OF BEING ABLE TO COME TO THE TABLE AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE WE HAVE $10,000 WE'RE GONNA PUT INTO THE EVENT, AND THEN WE'LL GET 13 OUT. MOST OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE LIKE, WE NEED, WE NEED THE CITY TO GIVE US 10,000 AND THEN WE'LL GET 13 OUT. SO, SO THAT FIRST YEAR, I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT THERE WILL BE A LOT OF FINANCIAL BENEFIT OR SAVING OF STAFF TIME. SO I'M NOT TARGETING THE EFFICIENCIES FOR YEAR ONE. I'M TARGETING THE EFFICIENCIES FOR YEARS TWO AND BEYOND. WHICH TO CHRISTIE'S POINT, IT WOULD BE, THAT PART MAY BE HANDLED, LIKE THE, THE, UH, I'M BLANKING WHAT YOU SAID. THE, THE FUND GOOD. THE GRANT FUNDING. YEAH. THE OUTSIDE AGENCY. YEAH. . WELL, AND I THINK THE IDEA THERE IS ONE TIMELINESS. SO I NEED TO KNOW BEFORE I BUILD BUDGET, RIGHT? HOW MUCH I'M BUDGETING FOR EVENTS. SO IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, THIS YEAR, I, I'M NOT GONNA NOT BUDGET FOR EVENTS, BUT BY NEXT MAY, IF WE ARE SAYING, OKAY, YOU KNOW, NOW YOU'RE OFFICIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR STANDING UP THIS ON YOUR OWN, THEN THEN MY BUDGETING SHOULD, UNLESS THE COUNCIL SAYS NO, WE STILL WANNA SEAT IT, MY BUDGETING SHOULD REDUCE FOR THOSE ITEMS. AND MAY, JUNE TIMEFRAMES THE TIME I, I REALLY NEED TO KNOW THAT. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IT SET UP TO OCCUR AT THAT TIME OF YEAR. WELL, DOES IT ALLOW, LIKE IF, IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL, RIGHT? IF A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO DO IT, IS THERE A WAY SET UP TO WHERE YOU HAVE A, A ROTATION, KIND OF LIKE THE OLYMPICS, YOU BID FOR IT AND THEN 2025 IT'S YOU, 2026, IT'S THE OTHER GUY THAT WE CAN KIND OF KEEP THAT STANDARD OPERAT, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, JUST MOVE. I THINK YOU COULD, I THINK THE ISSUE IS THAT YOU'RE CONSTANTLY TRAINING THE, THE NEW GROUP AND THEN WHOEVER MADE THE MONEY IS NOT GONNA PASS THE MONEY TO THE NEXT GROUP. YOU KNOW? YEAH. LIKE IF I, IF I GENERATED 15,000 IN PROFIT FROM MY NONPROFIT, I'M NOT GONNA SAY, AH, I'M GONNA NOW GIVE THAT TO THE NEXT GROUP. SO THEY HAVE THEIR SEED MONEY TO DO THE EVENT. THEY, THEY, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN. SO IF THE CITY'S GONNA CONTINUE TO GIVE MONEY AND FUND THE EVENTS, YOU COULD PROBABLY DO THAT BECAUSE WE WOULD JUST GIVE THE 10 OR 15, WHATEVER IT IS TO THE NEXT GROUP. MY, MY IDEAL OR WHAT I HAD HOPED TO ACHIEVE WAS TO PULL BACK OUR FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR THESE EVENTS, TO LET THE NONPROFITS BE THE ONES WHO PUT THE MONEY IN AND THEN RECEIVE THE REVENUE AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE REVENUE ON SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THAT DON'T. RIGHT. TO DO THAT. AND THEN NOT NECESSARILY JUST SO WE CAN GO AND SAY, HEY, WE, WE CUT TAXES, BUT BECAUSE I KNOW, HEY, WE'RE GONNA WANT TO CREATE A PICKLEBALL, YOU KNOW, DEAL OR WHATEVER ELSE MM-HMM . AND WE NEED SEED MONEY FOR THAT TO GET PICKLEBALL UP AND RUNNING ONCE THE COURTS ARE BUILT. WELL, RATHER THAN ME COMING TO COUNCIL AND SAYING, HEY, I NEED TO INCREASE THE BUDGET FOR PARKS. NOW I CAN SAY, I'M GONNA TAKE THE, WHATEVER, THE 13,000 FROM KICKBALL AND NOW I'M GONNA MOVE IT OVER AND CREATE PICKLEBALL. AND THEN OVER TIME, WHAT I WOULD HOPE WOULD HAPPEN IS KICKBALL WOULD BE STABLE AND WOULD OPERATE, AND NOW A PICKLEBALL WOULD BE STABLE IN OPERATING AND THEN WE WOULD ADD PICKLEBALL TO THE EVENTS TO PASS OFF TO SOMEONE ELSE. AND THEN WE WOULD TAKE THAT 13 GRAND AND GO START, I DON'T KNOW, HORSESHOES OR WHATEVER THE THING IS AT THE TIME. SO IT'S KIND OF THE IDEA, GO AHEAD WITH THESE, THESE LIMIT LIMITATIONS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND KIND OF, I, I SEEM LIKE WE, THIS WE SHOULD KIND OF START OFF SLOW OR LIMITED IN THE SCOPE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE EVENTS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW THE HIPPO CRAWL IF THAT'S A BIG THING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING, SO HANDING THIS OFF MAYBE TWO OR THREE A YEAR AND WE'RE, THEY'RE INTERSPERSED THROUGH THE YEAR, SO THERE'S NONE OF THEM'S OVERLAPPING. BUT I THINK A GOOD EXAMPLE IS THE GREAT HUDDLE CLEANUP THAT KEEP HUDDLE BEAUTIFUL. DOES EVERY YEAR THAT WE DON'T GET ANY, THEY, THEY DON'T GET ANY GAIN FROM THAT. WE PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, SPEND A MODERATE FOUR FIGURE NUMBER. UM, AND WE GET, WE DO GET BENEFITS FROM THE A CDI CONTRACT WITH THE CITY HU AND THEN WE GET SPONSORS TO PROVIDE SERVICES. BUT I MEAN, ASIDE FROM ADVERTISING AND, YOU KNOW, WORD OF MOUTH AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE, I MEAN SOCIAL MEDIA ADVERTISING THE WORD ABOUT WHILE THEY'RE THERE, I MEAN THEY, THEY TAKE 10 TO 12 TONS OF REFUSE OFF THE STREET ONCE A YEAR. EVEN TALKING ABOUT DOING IT ANOTHER TIME. YEAH. NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE ABOUT PROFIT, I THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY. RIGHT. NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE ABOUT PROFIT. I DO EXPECT THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE A DRIVER, RIGHT. UH, PREDOMINANTLY [00:30:01] FOR NON-PROFITS WHO ARE LIKE, HEY, CAN WE TURN THIS INTO A REVENUE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A FUNDRAISING TYPE DEAL. RIGHT. AND MAYBE THEY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE'RE DOING IT WITH TAX DOLLARS, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO FUND SPONSORS AND REDUCE RIGHT. THEIR COST AND THEN STILL HAVE REVENUE AND THEN THEY HAVE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, MONEY COMING IN TO, FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR MISSION. UM, THERE ARE SOME OF THINGS THAT WE DO THAT I THINK MIGHT BE ABLE TO, I MEAN, NOT THAT I CAN THINK OF OR LET ME REPHRASE THAT. I HAVEN'T SPECIFICALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, BUT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT THERE ARE LIKELY PROGRAMS THAT WE DO THAT WOULD ALIGN WITH A NONPROFIT'S MISSION. RIGHT. AND THEN THEY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT JUST BECAUSE IT ALIGNS WITH THEIR MISSION. SO THERE'S OTHER THINGS AS, AS, AS THIS EVOLVES FROM, I GUESS FROM MAYBE YEAR ONE TO YEAR TWO IS MAYBE THE NONPROFITS START COMING TO THE CITY TO CREATE EVENTS. LIKE IS THAT SOMETHING TO LOOK AT IT? WELL THEN THEY CAN DO THAT RIGHT NOW WITH THE CITY. YES. THEY CAN COME TO US, SAY, HEY, YOU HAVE A GREAT IDEA TO DO LIKE A DERBY RACE OR SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, WE WANNA, THE BOY SCOUTS WANNA DO A DERBY RACE AND THEY WANNA COME TO THE CITY AND ASK FOR THE CITY TO, TO CO-SPONSOR. YEAH. BUT I THINK IF THIS WORKS, YEAH. JUNETEENTH IS AN EXAMPLE. IF THIS WORKS, THEN IT ENCOURAGES MORE OF IT. SURE IT DOES. YEAH. THEY CAN DO THAT. RIGHT NOW WE DON'T GET A LOT OF THAT. BUT I MEAN IT'S SOMETHING THAT GETS INCORPORATED AGAIN YEAR TWO OR THREE DOWN THE ROAD WHERE, I MEAN, THERE COULD BE A NONPROFIT OR MAYBE FOR SOME, UM, ADULT VOLLEYBALL LEAGUE THAT WANTS TO DO THAT. AND IT'S JUST NOT JUST A ONE TIME EVENT AND MAYBE FOR THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE, SIX WEEKS OR SOMETHING. I, I THINK ONE OF THE WAYS YOU CAN COMBAT THE TURNOVER PROBLEM IS SOME KIND OF REPORTING REQUIREMENT AS PART OF THIS WHERE THEY HAVE TO GIVE DETAIL OF THEIR VOLUNTEER STRUCTURE AND HOW THEY'RE GONNA STAFF IT. AND THEN THEY HAVE TO GIVE AN AFTER REPORT OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY SPENT ON THE EVENT AND HOW THEIR VOLUNTEER WENT AND WHAT WENT WELL, WHAT DIDN'T GO WELL, NOT MAKE IT THIS MASSIVE THING THAT'S YEAH, YOU DON'T DO, BUT GET SOME INPUT ON HOW IT WENT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE AN IDEA SO THAT IF THEY DISAPPEAR NEXT YEAR, THEN WE GO TO SOMEBODY ELSE, WE CAN SHARE THAT WITH THEM AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT IT TAKES TO DO THIS. MM-HMM . ARE YOU REALLY UP FOR THIS? SO WE CAN TRY AND MAKE THAT JUDGMENT. I DO A BLEND CALLING JIM. UM, ONE THING I NOTICED, I DON'T SEE ANY EVENTS THAT MAKE ANY MONEY AND NOT EVERY EVENT HAS TO MAKE MONEY, BUT WE'RE NOT EVEN, THESE THINGS LOSE MONEY. WE'RE NOT EVEN TAKING STAFF HOURS IN AND THE STAFF HOURS ARE DOING IT. OR NOT 60,000 A YEAR STAFF. THEY'RE 130, 140, 160,000 THAT I THINK ARE BEING PAID THAT MUCH MONEY FOR THEIR SKILLSET. NOT TO PUT ON EVENTS, BUT TO DO WHATEVER THEIR SKILLSET IS. AND SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS, MAYBE THIS IS COMING THIS WAY, AND I THINK THIS IS A LONG-TERM THING I'VE HOPED, IS THAT WE AS A CITY AREN'T GIVING AWAY 1% OF OUR TAX DOLLARS TO NONPROFITS, BUT WE AS A CITY USE OUR RESOURCES DIFFERENTLY TO ENABLE THEM TO EARN MONEY. 'CAUSE A LOT OF THE NONPROFIT PEOPLE I KNOW, THEY'RE REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT THEIR NONPROFIT, BUT THEY'RE NOT REAL GOOD ABOUT MARKETING AND THEY'RE NOT REAL GOOD ABOUT HOW DO WE DO AN EVENT. AND SO THEY END UP GETTING FRUSTRATED. SO THE REASON I SAY I BLEND ON SOME OF THOSE EVENTS, I, I THINK YOU COULD JUST HAND OVER DAY ONE TO A NONPROFIT, LIKE, WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA DO THIS ANYMORE. DO YOU WANNA DO IT? AND THEN ON THE BIGGER EVENTS, WHAT I SAW, THE CITY OF GREENVILLE IS VERY COMPARABLE TO HUNO. THERE'S 50 TO 55,000 PEOPLE LIVE IN THE CITY. THE METRO AREA IS ABOUT 1,000,005. MOST PEOPLE LIVE IN, THAT'S THE BIGGEST CITY IN THE METRO AREA. MOST OF 'EM LIVE IN THE COUNTY, BUT THEY PUT ON EVENTS THAT HAVE A QUARTER OF A MILLION PEOPLE THAT COME IN. AND I WOULD TAKE SOMEONE LIKE CHRISSY FOR EXAMPLE, AND I WOULD SAY, WHAT ABOUT IF HER SALARY WAS PAID FOR OUT OF OUR MONEY THAT GOES TO NON-PROFITS? AND CHRISSY BECAME THE PERSON THAT WHEN WE'RE DOING THE 4TH OF JULY, STAFF'S STILL GONNA BE PUTTING ON THE FIREWORKS AND HANDLING ALL THAT. YOU'RE NOT GONNA LET SOMEONE ON THE STREET HAVE A GOOD IDEA AND PICK THEIR BUDDY TO, YOU KNOW, DO ALL THAT. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE REST OF THE MANAGEMENT, WHAT THEY TEND TO DO THERE IS, IS THEY FARMED EVERYTHING OUT TO NON-PROFITS. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS FIRST GREENVILLE, I WAS IN SIMPSONVILLE AND IT WAS A HIERARCHY. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE HIERARCHY WORKED, BUT THE BOY SCOUTS DUMPED TRASH CANS. THAT'S WHAT WE DID. WE GOT PAID, WHATEVER IT WAS, A THOUSAND BUCKS FOR CAMP. AND THEN A COUPLE YEARS LATER WE MOVED UP TO HIERARCHY. I DON'T KNOW WHO QUIT, BUT WE WERE GIVING OUT THE BAGS OF ICE TO ALL THE VENDORS. THERE WAS TICKETS BEING SOLD BY A NONPROFIT THAT YOU USED AT ALL THE PLACES THAT WAS SELLING 20 OUNCE BOTTLES OF POP AND WATER. THEY HAD A BEER THING THAT WAS ALL HANDLED BY NONPROFITS. EVERYTHING OPERATED ON THIS CURRENCY OF TICKETS AND ALL WENT BACK TO THE CITY AND EVERYBODY GOT A CUT OF LIKE, IF, YOU KNOW, FOR EVERY FIVE TICKETS YOU BRING IN, YOU GET, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A DOLLAR TICKET, YOU GET $4 BACK. AND IT WAS LIKE A CURRENCY. SO EVERYBODY GOT THEIR DUE, BUT IT WAS ALL KIND OF SET. AND THERE WAS ONE LADY THAT RAN IT ALL FROM THE CITY [00:35:01] AND SHE WAS THERE AND SHE WAS STOOD IN THE, IN THE CITY HALL. AND THAT'S WHERE THE VOLUNTEERS CAME IN AND GAVE US A HIERARCHY THING. AND TO ME, YOU COULD DO WHAT JIM SAID, YOU COULD DO ONE EVENT AND KIND OF GET IT GOING AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S IN. BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER WANNA HAVE AN EVENT GO TO ANY NONPROFIT BECAUSE ONE, IF THEY DO REALLY, REALLY WELL AND THEY SAY IT DOUBLES IN ATTENDANCE AREA, IT IS THE BEST EVENT IN THE CITY IN EVENTUALLY AREA, YOU ARE GONNA BRING IT BACK AROUND IN FOUR YEARS AND THEN TAKE 'EM AWAY FROM IT. AND YOU WANNA BE PART OF THAT, BUT YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THE CITY INVOLVED IN ALL THE PERMITTING, MAKING SURE YOU KNOW, HELICOPTER LANDING SPOT, YOU GOT THE BARRICADES UP. BUT THAT'S THE STUFF THE NONPROFITS DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT IS THE BARRICADES. SO IF THE CITY, I'M GONNA NOT PICK ON YOU CHRISSY, BUT IF SHE WAS A PERSON AND SHE WAS LIKE, HEY, ACCORDING PARKS BARRIERS GO OUT AT 10 O'CLOCK, POLICE GONNA BE THERE AT 11, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, GOT EVERYTHING DONE. THE PERMITTING IS NOT DONE BY THE ORGANIZATION. THEY'RE HANDLING ALL THE OPERATIONS AND THEY'RE REPORTING BACK TO CHRISTIE. THEN IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH NONPROFITS TO PUT ON AN EVENT, UM, YOU GO OUTSIDE, YOU, YOU LET SOMEONE FROM TAYLOR COME IN, JUST LIKE SIMPSONVILLE COULD COME INTO GREENVILLE. YOU DO THAT A COUPLE TIMES. ALL THE NONPROFITS IN HU ARE UP IN ARMS, RIGHT? WHY DID WE GET WELL YOU DID, YOU, YOU SAID NO. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE INVOLVED BECAUSE I THINK THE MORE INVOLVEMENT THEY HAVE, I THINK THE MORE SUCCESSFUL THINGS ARE SUCCESSFUL NOW. BUT THEY'RE NOT MAKING MONEY. AND THIS IS, WE GET TO A BIGGER CITY, THEY GOT TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT IF WE KEEP WHERE WE'RE AT, WE'LL BE LOSING MORE AND MORE MONEY AS WE GET BIGGER. AND SOME EVENTS, AGAIN, IT'S LIKE PARKS. YOU DON'T ALWAYS SEE A RETURN ON INVESTMENT DOLLAR WISE. SOMETIMES IT'S EXPERIENCE AND THINGS. BUT SO, SO IN THIS HYBRID SCENARIO, AND I, I BELIEVE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING. WOULD, WOULD YOU THEN, BECAUSE I ALSO AGREE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING, I I I BET IF I REACH OUT TO GREENVILLE THAT IT'S NOT THAT THEIR EVENTS ARE MAKING MONEY TO THE, WELL, THEY'RE MAKING MONEY. THEY, THEY MAKE SO MUCH MONEY. THEY HAVE A SYMPHONY THAT'S BEEN BUILT BY THEIR COMMUNITY FOUNDATION, THE MONEY THAT'S POURING BACK IN BECAUSE YOU'RE SUCKING THE QUARTER MILLION PEOPLE IN MM-HMM . AND ALL THIS MONEY IS AGAINST, HERE'S WHAT WE DO, I THINK IS WRONG AS A CITY. WE, WE HOLD A 4TH OF JULY DEAL. WE LET SOME GUY COME IN WITH A BEVERAGE TRUCK AND HE PAYS US $200 AND HE SELLS BEERS. HE'S NOT FROM HU HE'S TAKING HU DOLLARS, HE'S MOVING 'EM OUT. MM-HMM . HE MAKES A KILLING. WHY ARE WE NOT DOING A TICKET SYSTEM TO WHERE, HEY, YOU CAN SELL THE BEER YOU WANT, BUT FOR EVERY BEER YOU SELL, WE'RE GETTING A DOLLAR OR EVERY TIME YOU SELL FOOD, ALL THESE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, THERE'S A LOT OF 'EM, AT LEAST IN GREENVILLE, THEY ALL THE, THE, THE PEOPLE WHO PUT ON THE EVENT THERE WAS A FEE TO BE IN AND THEN THEY GOT A COAT OF THE SALES. THEY MEAN WE'RE THE ONLY PLACE THEY CAN SAY, HEY, YOU CAN COME IN FOR 50 BUCKS AND PUT UP A THING AND MAKE TWO OR 300 AND THEN WE'RE LOSING MONEY. AND YOU KNOW, ONE YEAR WE PAID SOMEONE $5,000 AN OUTSIDE PERSON TO DUMP TRASH IN SECURITY, TWO GUYS IN SECURITY UNIFORMS, WATCHING PEOPLE WALK IN AND PEOPLE DUMP TRASH FOR 5,000. YOU COULD HAVE HAD A BOY SCOUT TROOP THE SAME THING, FOUR A THOUSAND DOLLARS AND THEY WOULD'VE THOUGHT WE WERE THE BEST THING EVER. YOU JUST SAVED $4,000. MM-HMM . BUT ALL THESE LITTLE THINGS WE DO, I THINK THERE'S A WAY THAT WHERE YOU TURN THAT INTO LIKE THE ASIAN MARKET NIGHTS, THAT GUY WAS KILLING IT OVER THERE. AND HE SAID WASN'T ABOUT THE FOOD IS ABOUT, AND EVERYBODY LIKES THIS, IT WAS ABOUT THE BEER AND THE POP SALES. MM-HMM . AND HE HAD LINES AND IT WAS SUCCESSFUL UNTIL WE GOT THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY. BUT I THINK THERE'S A WAY WE CAN GO LIKE ONE EVENT AND WE CAN WORK ON THAT AND WORK UP AN SU SOPS AND GET IT TO WHERE, LOOK, WE WE'RE LOOKING FOR A NONPROFIT OUT THERE THAT'S GONNA HANDLE THIS FOR US, WHICH IS LESS THAN WHAT WE'RE PAYING. AND 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT OUR PEOPLE DUMPING THE TRASH THAT COSTS US MONEY. SO IF YOU'RE SPENDING A THOUSAND DOLLARS IN PARKS MONEY DOING WORK, WHICH IS WHY I THINK WE NEED TO BE TRACKING IT FULL-TIME, THEN YOU OFFER FOR $500 TO DO THE SAME WORK. AND YOU'LL FIND PEOPLE THAT DO THAT. I MEAN, WE HAVE LIKE 40 OR 50 ORGANIZATIONS IN HUDDLE AND THEN EACH YEAR IS SOMEONE ELSE IS GONE. YOU STILL KEEP ALL YOUR KNOWLEDGE AT THE CITY LEVEL BECAUSE WE'RE NEVER, I DON'T THINK WE'RE EVER GONNA LET THE 4TH OF JULY GO OFF TO SOMEBODY. 'CAUSE IN ONE BAD TIME, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO'S PUT IT ON, IT'S GONNA FALL ON US. MM-HMM . UM, SO I I I SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT THEN IF IT'S LIKE A REPTILE SHOW, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT CAN'T BE PUT ON BY KEY, PUT A BEAUTIFUL, IT DOES THAT IN A MANNER. UM, THAT'S DIFFERENT. BUT YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, UH, 'CAUSE I LIKE THAT TICKET IDEA IS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE TRACK THE REVENUE? SO IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE IT'S STILL COMING THROUGH THE CITY AND THEN YEAH. HOW DO WE MAKE IT PROFITABLE? 'CAUSE IT NOT JUST FOR US, SO WE CAN NOT SPEND AS MANY TAX DOLLARS, BUT FOR THE CO FOR THE UH, GROUP THAT'S COMING IN, TO YOUR POINT, THAT'S THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE NOT WANTING TO DO IT FOR FREE AND I DON'T WANNA KEEP DOING IT FOR A COST FOR THE TAXPAYER. SO YEAH, I THINK THE REVENUE'S, UH, [00:40:01] THE VENDORS HAVE TO MAKE MONEY TO COME BACK. YEAH. BUT SOME OF 'EM KILL IT. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THE FIRST PERSON TO CALL TO WANT TO GET IN. AND THAT SHOULD TELL YOU THEY'RE MAKING A LOT OF MONEY AND THEY'VE GOTTA BE PARTNERS WITH, TO ME, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BASED HERE THAT PAID THEIR, THAT ARE PAYING SALES TAX IN HU AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE ALL COMMUNICATED TO FIRST OUR NONPROFITS ARE DONE. AND THEN YEAH, IF IT'S YOU NEED SOMEONE TO DUMP TRASH, WHY NOT LET A SCOUT SHOOT OUTTA PFLUGERVILLE? NO ONE WANTS TO DO IT IN HU. I MEAN THAT'S WHAT REALLY, WHY DO WE CARRY, IF WE TURN THESE EVENTS INTO WHERE THE CITY NOW IS MAKING MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING A CUT, AND THEN OVER TIME WE CAN STOP MOVING THE HALF MILLION IN, IN, IN REVENUE FROM NONPROFITS. WE CAN SHIFT IT TO THEY'RE EARNING THEIR WAY. THEY, WHICH I THINK MANY OF THEM WANT TO, THEY JUST HAVE TO GET SOMETHING GOING. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS JUST A, IS JUST A, A SHIFT IN CONCEPT. AND, UM, I'M CERTAINLY, I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO IT. I, I WOULD LIKE, MY FIRST THING I'M, I'M THINKING IN MY HEAD IS HOW DO I REDUCE MY MANPOWER THOUGH? BECAUSE IF, IF, IF WE BASICALLY ARE STILL DOING THE SAME THING, BUT NOW WE'RE JUST ON A TICKET SYSTEM, SO WE GET A CUT OF THE REVENUE, THEN THAT DOESN'T HELP ME ON THE MANPOWER SIDE, WHICH MEANS WHENEVER PEOPLE LIKE TAKE WORLD, NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT TAKE WORLD HIPPO DAY. YEAH. RIGHT. SO WE PUT THAT EVENT ON AND SO WE BURNED UP ON HOW MANY MAN HOURS OF THE STAFF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THE DEPARTING PROCESS. STAFF ALREADY KNOWS WHAT THEY WANT. IF IF MATT'S IN CHARGE OF, YEAH. NOT, NOT THAT SCENARIO, BUT LIKE THE ACTUAL EVENT DAY. THE ACTUAL EVENT DAY. BUT YEAH, YOU, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THE PARKS GUY ARE GONNA DROP THE, THEY'RE GONNA DROP OFF THE BARRICADES BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA TRUST, WE'RE NOT GONNA TRUST A NONPROFIT PERSON TO GO FIND BARRICADES AND PUT 'EM UP. BUT THEY'RE NOT THERE TO MAN, THEY CAN JUST DROP 'EM UP AND THEN THEY'RE GONE. AND THEN LIKE, WE HAD TO GO PUT UP OUR OWN BARRICADES. THEY DUMPED 'EM ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, WE PUT 'EM TOGETHER AND, AND PUT 'EM THERE. AND LIKE I'VE TALKED TO JAKE ABOUT, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF A DIFFERENT BARRICADE SYSTEM. THE NONPROFIT COULD GO PICK THEM UP AND AND DRAG 'EM OVER. UH, FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT, I THINK WHERE, WHERE YOU SAVE IT IS YOU HAVE ONE PERSON JUST SAYING, THIS IS HOW IT'S DONE, THIS IS HOW IT'S DONE AND THIS IS HOW IT'S DONE. WHEREAS RIGHT NOW, I MEAN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, JEFF AND HIS PEOPLE ARE ALL AROUND MAKING SURE THE MICROPHONES WORK AND THE LIGHTS ARE COMING ON AND THIS IS WORKING US WORKING. YEAH. CHAINING AND HER TEAM, I MEAN, THERE WAS PROBABLY A DOZEN EMPLOYEES WORKING THE DRONE SHOW THEN ALL THAT MANPOWER USED AND NONPROFITS COULD THAT. NOW HOW DO YOU TURN THAT ONE INTO WHERE AT LEAST THE NONPROFITS CAN TAKE IT OVER AND MAKE MONEY. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BOOST, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY PAID. UM, YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT GONNA BE A PROFIT GENERATOR BECAUSE IT'S 25 OR 30 GRAND FOR THE DRONE SHOW. RIGHT. SO, WELL NOT THOSE THINGS, BUT I MEAN ALL THE LABOR. BUT SEE, OUR PROBLEM IS WE'RE NOT EVEN COUNTING LABOR. SO YOUR MONEY SAVINGS, YOU'RE NOT EVEN COUNTING LABOR. AND THAT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN ANY BUSINESS IS, I GUESS, I GUESS WHERE I SEE WHERE THIS MODEL ULTIMATELY LEADS TO IS ME ASKING FOR MORE STAFF AND MORE RESOURCES TO DO MORE EVENTS. THAT'S WHERE THAT MODEL LEADS TO THAT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. WELL I THINK IT'S LESS BECAUSE YOU JUST HAVE CHRISTIE, IT WON'T WORK THAT WAY THOUGH, IS WHAT I'M SAYING. IF WE'RE JUST TICKETING IT WON'T, IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE THAT, I DON'T THINK. BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I JUST NEED, I JUST NEED TO, I'VE EXPERIENCED IT BEEN A PART OF IT. YEAH. UM, IT'S, IT'S UNUSUAL THE WAY WE DO THINGS BECAUSE AGAIN, I GO OUT THERE ON A HOLIDAY AND I'M LIKE, AND ALL THESE PEOPLE HAVE, THEY WORKED ALL WEEK AND NOW THEY, NOW THEY'RE HERE ON A SATURDAY. SOME OF 'EM ARE GETTING COMP TIME, I GUESS SOME AREN'T, BUT THEY'RE TAKING DAYS OFF AND THEY'RE TAKING DAYS OFF. THAT'S REALLY WHAT THEY'RE GETTING PAID FOR. SO MONEY THROUGH FRIDAY WORK, NOT THE SATURDAY WORK. AND EVEN IF YOU BROKE EVEN AT LEAST YOU'RE MORE PRODUCTIVE. I WOULD THINK YOUR PEOPLE ARE MORE PRODUCTIVE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY DOING THEIR SKILLSET THAN THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, BABYSITTING 20,000 PEOPLE DRINKING AND MAKING SURE THAT THE VENDORS ARE ALL PARKED IN THE RIGHT WAY AND ALL THAT. THERE'S NONPROFIT PEOPLE THAT YEAH. UM, ARE MORE HAPPY TO DO ALL THAT. WELL, WELL WE CAN DEFINITELY DIVE IN AND DO SOME, UH, SOME CASE STUDY ON THAT. BUT I WOULD DO EVERY EVENT THAT WAS THE CITY SUPPORT ELIGIBILITY. I THINK IT DEPENDS ON, SO THAT'D BE SOME SORT OF VETTING PROCESS, BUT I THINK THERE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD BE, AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD, IF WE'RE GONNA LET AN EVENT BE TAKEN OVER, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD DRAW A LINE ON. IT HAS TO BE A HUDDLE. OH YEAH. YEAH. IF IT'S TAKEN OVER, YEAH. WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. YEAH. AND I THINK THE MEASURE OF SUCCESS, I THINK THAT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A NEW ANALOGY, BUT I'LL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, SUCCESS WHEN YOU SEE IT. AND OTHERWISE YOU DEBATE ABOUT, WE, WE KNOW WHAT SUCCESS IS AND YOU GOTTA HAVE CLEAR GOALS IN THE BEGINNING TO GO IS ATTENDANCE. TO ME, SUCCESS IS PROFITABILITY. I'D RATHER HAVE A, A THING THAT HAD A THOUSAND PEOPLE BROKE EVEN AND MADE SOME MONEY THAN A THING THAT HAD 20,000 PEOPLE LOST A HUNDRED GRAND BECAUSE ONE SUSTAINABLE AND ONE ISN'T. [00:45:02] AND THEN, YEAH, I DON'T LIKE THE COMPETITIVE PROCESS. UM, TO THE EXTENT WE WERE KIND OF TALKING ONLY AS GROWING EVENT FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS AND THEN YOU TAKE IT AWAY FROM 'EM AND THE NEXT PERSON DOES TERRIBLE, WHY'D YOU TAKE IT AWAY? AND THEN REALLY, WHY WOULD ONE PERSON HAVE THAT WHOLE THING? BECAUSE THE OTHER PART IS THESE GUYS WILL START BUILDING A BUDGET BASED ON THE MONEY. THEY'RE HOPEFULLY MAKING SURE LOSE THAT. THAT'S A DRAMATIC CHANGE. BUT IF IT'S LIKE, HEY, I DO ICE EVERY YEAR AND BECAUSE I DO ICE, WE GET 500 BUCKS, WE CAN BUDGET THAT IN. WE COULD THROW ONE OR TWO VOLUNTEERS TO PASS OUT ICE AND FOR 500 BUCKS FOR TWO VOLUNTEERS, IT'S NOT A BAD DEAL. UM, BUT I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DEMAND FOR PEOPLE WANTING TO HELP THE SLIDE BEFORE THIS, THIS SAYS, UH, ORIENTATION FOR SELECTED PARTNERS IN THIS FEBRUARY 18TH WHEN WE GO IN AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF OPEN IT UP FOR INFORMATION. I MEAN, I JUST FEEL A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT, AND EXCLUDING KHB, I CAN'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF NONPROFITS BEING ABLE TO TAKE ON A BIG PROJECT LIKE THIS RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, I'M, MAYBE I'M BIASED OR I, I MEAN NOT BIASED, BUT UNKNOWING ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THEIR RESOURCES AND MOMENTUM AND CASH FLOW AND ALL LIKE THAT. BUT I'D BE A LITTLE CONCERNED TO HAVE SOMEONE SAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, BUT THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. AND THEN WE SPEND SIX MONTHS WORKING WITH 'EM ALL OF A SUDDEN. THAT'S NOT, I MEAN THAT'S WHY TO ME, THAT THAT SELECTION PROCESS, ARTS FOUNDATION IS PRIME EXAMPLE. YEAH. ONCE WE SAID, HEY, YOU GOTTA SPEND THE MONEY FIRST AND GET REIMBURSED, THEN IT WAS LIKE, WE HAVE TO SCALE THIS DOWN. SOME, WE MAY HAVE TO DRAMATICALLY CHANGE WHAT WE'RE THINKING. IT'S LIKE, YEAH. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE DOING EVENTS TO SPEND MONEY, WE CAN ALL COME UP WITH AN IDEA TO SPEND MONEY. YEAH. IT'S THE EVENT THAT WE CAN DO EVERY YEAR. SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE NEED SOME INTERNAL VETTING TO GO OUT AND WHO WE THINK TALKING TO THEM, NOT LETTING THEM COME TO US NECESSARILY. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THAT THERE'S SOME, SOME INTEREST, BUT GOING IN THERE AND IN INTERNAL BETTING, WELL, WHAT IS THERE, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MONEY REQUIREMENTS? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE TIMEFRAME? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE, THE MANPOWER? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITY CAN DO AND WHAT THE CITY CAN'T OR WON'T DO? YEAH. I I WOULD, I WOULD SEE THAT. I DON'T FOR THE AND, AND I AND THIS IS ALL INITIALLY NO. YEAH. I'M, I'M HEARING, I'M HEARING THE FEEDBACK. WE'RE RECEIVING IT. WHAT, WHAT I WANNA DO IS, IS REDIRECT A LITTLE BIT ON THE EXPECTATIONS FOR WHAT WE WERE THINKING FOR THE 18TH. OKAY. THE 18TH IS MORE INTENDED, AND MAYBE WE WON'T EVEN DO IT IN PERSON YET. WHAT WE DON'T KNOW YET. SO THE 18TH IS MORE INTENDED TO HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION KIND OF LIKE THIS, BUT WITH THE NONPROFITS, RIGHT. AND BE LIKE, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING. OKAY, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE PITFALL? IT'S NOT FORUM TYPE THING. IT, IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE A HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE PLAN. YOU YEAH. PICK WHAT YOU WANNA DO AND SIGN UP. IT'S NOT MEANT TO DO THAT YET. WE HOPE TO HAVE THIS ROLLED OUT, YOU KNOW, BY, BY THE SUMMERTIME WHERE WE HAVE FIGURED OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HAVE IT NARROWED DOWN AND NOW WE HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION. BUT WHAT WE CERTAINLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, TO ALL OF Y'ALL'S POINT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHO IS ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN EVEN PURSUING THIS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT FORM IT TAKES TICKETS OR YOU OWN IT OR WE GIVE YOU MONEY AND YOU GO DO IT, WHATEVER THE FORM IS, ARE YOU EVEN INTERESTED? AND IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S A VERY SPECIFIC GROUP OF, UH, NON-PROFITS AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU. UM, I I, I KEEP SAYING NON-PROFITS, BUT I MEAN, ARGUABLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP OUT OF THE MIX ARE LIKE FOR-PROFIT OPERATIONS, RIGHT? SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO SAY NO IF PANDA EXPRESS COMES AND SAYS, HEY, WE WANNA DO THE EVENT, WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA SAY NO 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT A NONPROFIT. BUT THEN LIKE THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE, WELL, WHATEVER PROFIT YOU MAKE IS GOING TO DONATION PARTNERSHIP. YEAH. YEAH. I, I DO THIS. I I I DON'T WANT WE GOT THE NEXT WORK SESSION. I'D MAKE THIS BE A CONTINUATION OF THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE I WOULDN'T GO INTO FEBRUARY 18TH WITH THIS PRESENTATION BECAUSE, AND I'M HAPPY TO BE TOLD I'M WRONG, BUT I REALLY THINK MOST NONPROFITS ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THEIR MISSION. MM-HMM . NOT ABOUT RAISING MONEY. THEY'RE PASSIONATE AND THAT WAS THEIR BIG THING. I THINK THEY WANNA BE LED AND TOLD. AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK IF YOU JUST HAVE A CHECKLIST, LIKE WE COME UP WITH THE THING, YOU'RE DOING THIS, OKAY, I'M DOING THAT ALL DAY. OKAY. THAT I THINK PEOPLE I HAVE FOUND ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL AT DOING BECAUSE THEIR PASSION, WHAT THEY LAY AWAKE AT NIGHT EVERY NIGHT IS THE ORGANIZATION THEY FOUNDED. NOT HOW DO I RUN A GIANT FESTIVAL. AND SO YOU MAY END UP NO ONE REALLY BEING INTERESTED IN THE BIG STUFF AND IT DOESN'T WORK. BUT IF WE MAYBE TALK MORE AT THE COUNCIL AND FIGURE OUT SOME KIND OF BLEND OR SOMETHING, THEN YOU MAY HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE GO, YEAH, I'D LOVE TO BE A PART OF THAT BECAUSE YEAH, WE CAN MAKE $2,000 DOING THAT AND I HAVE TO JUST DO A, B, C, D AND [00:50:01] THEN AN EMPLOYEE SUCH AS CHRISTIE IS MORE DIRECTING. SURE. UM, I MEAN IF THAT, IF, IF, IF THE COUNCIL OVERALL WANTS US TO, TO KIND OF NARROW THE FOCUS AND THE SCOPE OF THIS DOWN TO A TICKETING EXCHANGE AND NOT A LICENSING, THE EVENT EXCHANGE, THEN THEN WE CAN DO THAT AND START THAT PROCESS. I THINK THAT NEED MORE CONVERSATION FROM US. NO, I DON'T DISAGREE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING AND STILL BE TRYING TO WRAP OUR MINDS AROUND ABOUT WHICH, WHICH PATH WE'RE DOING. UNLESS, UNLESS YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU DO THINK THAT THAT'S REQUIRED. I GUESS I, I DON'T WANNA BE PUSHING MY IDEA END WITHOUT REALLY HAVING TIME FOR US TO ME AND AWAY KIND OF BET ON THE MESSAGE WORLD BIT. 'CAUSE THIS WOULD BE A MAJOR, THIS WOULD BE A MAJOR DEPARTURE AND A MAJOR CHANGE. I DON'T WANNA RUSH IT AND THEN SCREW IT ALL UP. AND THEN THE NONPROFITS ARE FRUSTRATED. THE PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED, STAFF'S FRUSTRATED. CORRECT. AND WE'RE UP HERE GOING, YEAH. WHAT HAPPENS? SO THAT'S WHY I'D ONLY WANNA, OKAY. NEXT WORKS AGAIN. SO WE'LL, WE'LL DO THE RESEARCH ON GREENVILLE. IS IT SOUTH CAROLINA OR NORTH CAROLINA? NO, THERE THERE'S ONLY ONE. THERE'S ONLY ONE LIKE THIS, THIS MADE UP CITY AND I CAN MEET WITH YOU ON IT MORE. WE CAN SHARE IT ON THE MESSAGE BOARD KIND OF CONSTRUCT, I THINK BE GOOD FOR Y'ALL TO TALK. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. LET, LET ME HAVE, HAVE STAFF RESEARCH WHAT THEY'RE DOING, UH, THERE TO SAY THE CITY TALK ABOUT IT. SAY THE CITY'S GONNA BE PROFITABLE. IF WE DID IT AS A CITY, WE'D LOSE MONEY. NOW THAT'S ALREADY PROFITABLE. AND SO SOME OTHER ORGANIZATIONS GONNA BENEFIT FROM THAT BACK. AND SO YEAH. , YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT STARTED A MESSAGE. I'LL GET THAT STARTED. WE GET OUTTA HERE AT 10 THING. YEAH. I MAKE JUST ONE MINUTE CHIPS. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE THERE'S AN INTEREST GROUP OR UNKNOWN INTEREST GROUP, AND THEN THERE'S ONES THAT CAN DO IT AND CANNOT DO IT. AND THERE'S THESE PEOPLE THAT GOT AN INTEREST, BUT THEY CAN'T DO IT. THERE'S PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW THAT THEY REALLY ARE THIS FIT, BUT THEY CAN DO IT. AND THEN THERE'S ONES, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S LIKE KIND OF, IT'S NOT NARROWING THE SCOPE SOMEONE KNOWS, BUT, BUT YOUR POINT WHERE YOU'RE GOING IS THAT'S WHERE WHAT, WHAT MIKE IS SAYING ON, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT WE NEED, RIGHT? IS YOU HAVE THE, LET'S SAY THE BOY SCOUT, THE BOY SCOUTS WANT DO ALL THESE THINGS, BUT THEY CAN'T, SO WHAT WE GET 'EM TO DO IS DO THE TRASH OR THE ICE OR WHATEVER. RIGHT? RIGHT. AND THEY'RE COMPLETELY HAPPY. AND I THINK THAT IF THE, IF, IF, AND THEY'RE STILL INVOLVED THAT LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. I DON'T WANT, THIS SEEMS GREAT. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, 2, 3, 4, 5 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THIS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S JUST AMAZING IN MODEL. MM-HMM . WILL BE THE . BUT UH, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT STAFF TO GO IN THERE AND MAKE THIS BIG, YOU KNOW, EFFORT AND TRYING TO MAYBE SOLVE EVERYTHING IN THE FIRST YEAR WHEN JUST KIND OF GET, GET CRAWLING, RUNNING FIRST, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE START, YOU KNOW, SPRINTING. I THINK IT'S A GOOD START. YEARS AGO WHEN I MET WITH THE BIG NONPROFIT PEOPLE TRYING TO GET SOMETHING STARTED, I SAID, LOOK, I FEEL LIKE YOU, WHEN YOU FEED A MAN A FISH, YOU EAT FOR A DAY, YOU TEACH 'EM THE FISH. AND I WAS LIKE, PROCESS ARE SO CRAZY THAT THAT ALONE MAKES PEOPLE NOT WANT TO DO STUFF HERE. AND YOU SIMPLIFY THAT AND, AND, AND HELD THEM. I THINK IT'S LIKE, WHAT? YOU'RE GONNA BAIT THE HOOK. ALL I GOT IS THROWN IN THE WATER, ANDRE IT IN DONE, AND THEN IT'LL BE OUT THERE ALL DAY. AND, AND SOME PEOPLE HAVE PEOPLE FIGHTING OVER, HEY, I'M GONNA DUMP TRASH FOR 500 BUCKS. MM-HMM . LIKE THAT'S A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE TIME TO HAVE MORE EVENTS. AND THEN I THINK AT SOME POINT WE DO ADD, YOU DO HAVE MORE STAFF. BUT I THINK IT, IN MY MIND, IT DOES GET PAID FOR OUT OF THE, THE NONPROFIT. 'CAUSE IT'S SOMEONE WHO'S 100% WITH THE NONPROFITS AND WE'RE REALLY SPENDING MORE THAN WHAT WE BUDGETED BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING WE HAVE A FUND AND THEN WE ALSO SPEND MORE MONEY OVER HERE. THANK Y'ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHRIS. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.