* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] WE'RE CALLED THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION [1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER] FOR THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 19TH, 2026. OF ORDER ROLL CALL COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. HERE. DR. MORRIS. HERE. COUNCILOR GORDON. COUNCILOR PORTERFIELD. HERE. COUNCILOR MCKEE. HERE. MAYOR THORNTON. HERE. MAYORS HERE WE HAVE, UH, ITEM THREE ONE, [3.1. Discussion and possible action regarding special events, including related ordinances, policies, processes, and permitting requirements. (Jeff White)] DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING SPECIAL EVENTS INCLUDING RELATED ORDINANCES, POLICIES, PROCESSES, AND PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS. THANK YOU MAYOR COUNSEL, UM, JEFF WHITE, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION HERE TONIGHT. UH, SENT YOU GUYS AN EMAIL YESTERDAY WITH HIGHLIGHTING JUST SOME OF THIS AND WE'LL GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT MORE. THIS IS THE FIRST STEP OF PROBABLY A COUPLE RENDITIONS OF IT, SO WANNA MAKE SURE, UH, IT IS AN ORDINANCE THAT IT IS REQUIRES A THOROUGH REVIEW. UM, FIRST WE WANNA MENTION THAT, UM, WITH THESE CHANGES, ANY CHANGES THAT IMPACTED WOULD DRASTICALLY IMPACT THE APPROVAL ARE CURRENTLY SPEC FOR, UH, PERMITING SOFTWARE. UM, WE HOPE TO HAVE BETTER FORMATTING AND, UM, PRODUCTION IN THE SELECTIONS AND MAKE IT A MORE STREAMLINED PROCESS. AND, UM, WHILE I MAY BE HERE LEADING THIS PRESENTATION, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T WELCOME TIM BRAGAN AND JACOB, THE BE WHO ALSO SERVED ON THIS SPECIAL EVENTS PERMANENT CREW ALONG WITH A REPRESENTATIVE FOR FIRE AND THEN WHEN NEEDED BY THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. SO I'LL GO THROUGH SOME QUICK, UH, HIGHLIGHTS OF THE CHANGES AND THEN WE'LL HAVE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY. WE CAN FEEL FREE TO ANSWER THOSE. SO IN STARTING IN THE SECTION, UH, DEFINITIONS, WE'RE BASICALLY JUST ADDING, UM, A POSITION, A LOT OF THE DUTIES THAT'S CALLED SPECIAL EVENTS COORDINATOR. THIS IS NOT A NEW POSITION THAT WE'RE ADDING TO THE CITY. UM, TAX, UH, CITY ROLES. THIS IS, UH, CURRENTLY FULFILLED BY THE PERMIT ADMINISTRATOR. PERMIT ADMINISTRATOR WHO IS ME. SO I'M CURRENTLY DOING ALL OF THESE ROLES. THIS NEW ROLE, UM, STREAMLINED A LOT OF THE DUTIES THAT WERE CURRENTLY IN OUR CURRENT NORTH BEING DONE BY THE CITY MANAGER OR THE CHIEF OF POLICE. UH, SO TAKE SOME OF THOSE DUTIES AWAY FROM THEM AND GIVE THEM TO THIS NEW NEW POSITION. UM, THE BIGGEST CHANGE IN THIS IS REMOVING THE OUTDOOR AND CITY PROPERTY QUALIFIERS AND ADDING A TRIGGER OF 1500 OR MORE ATTENDEES. THOSE REQUIRE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? REMOVED? WHAT IS AN OUTDOOR AND CITY PROPERTY QUALIFIER? SO THE DEFINITIONS, UM, ON THE FIRST PAGE, YOU SEE THE FIRST RED LINE THERE. IT SAYS BASICALLY DEFINE WHAT CITY EVENTS ARE. AND THE FIRST ONE IS THAT ARE CONDUCTED PRIMARILY OUTDOORS AND OR TAKE PLACE ON CITY OR PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY. SO THIS THEN WOULD INCLUDE ISD FOOTBALL GAMES. UH, WE'LL GET TO THAT ONE TECHNICALLY YES. A LITTLE BIT LATER. UH, UNDER THE EXEMPTIONS WE, UH, ASKING THIS, IS THERE ADDING BACK EXEMPTION OF THE SCHOOL, THE DISTRICT, UH, THE HIGHER EDUCATION ENTITIES AND ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AS WELL AS WE PROVIDED SOME DEFINITIONS THERE FOR BLOCK PARTIES AND WHAT OT THREE ZONING IS. YOU WANT QUESTIONS AS WE GO ALONG? SURE. I DON'T KNOW. SO WHY WOULD WE, LEMME ASK THIS. WHY, WHY WOULD WE ADD HU ISD AS AN EXEMPTION? THE REASON I ASK YOU THAT IS WHEN THEY DO LIKE BACKPACK GIVEAWAYS, FRONT STREET'S BACKED UP FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF, SIX 80 FIVES BACKED UP AND THEY'RE HOLDING BIGGER AND BIGGER EVENTS. AND, AND IT APPEARS TO ME THAT IT JUST, I MEAN, THEY MANAGED TO GET PEOPLE OFF THE LOT AND THEN IT'S JUST A MESS FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF. WHY WOULD WE NOT HAVE SOME SORT OF PROCESS TO WHERE THEY COULD GET PEOPLE ON 6 85 IN AND OUT? 'CAUSE IF YOU HAVE LIKE A, SOME KIND OF ISSUE ACTIVE SHOOTER OR SOMETHING GOING ON, THERE'S ONCE ALL THAT. BUT IF THEY HAD, IF THEY WEREN'T EXEMPT, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAYBE HIRE POLICE TO HELP WITH FLOW OF TRAFFIC. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WELL, THEY MAY HAVE TO. I MEAN, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN POLICE, BUT THEY HAVE OWN POLICE. I JUST LIKE, DO THEY BLOCK TRAFFIC AND LET PEOPLE OUT? THEY DO. YEAH. UM, JUST TO TOUCH ON THAT, WHAT WE WERE THINKING WAS THE HOME FOOTBALL GAMES EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT THAT WILL QUALIFY AS A SPECIAL EVENT. AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO THIS. THEY DIDN'T DO IT ALL YEAR. UM, YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME IN AND THEY WOULD'VE TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION PERMIT AT THE START OF THE SEASON. AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE EVENTS WOULD BE A SPECIAL EVENT WITH THEIR OWN EMERGENCY OR EVENT ACTION PLAN. UH, WHICH THEY'RE DOING IN SHARING WITH US. THEY'RE DOING THEIR OWN E BUT NOT PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS. UM, BUT THEY DO HAVE THEIR OFFICERS OUT THERE WORKING THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS ON ALL THE HOME GAMES. THEY ALMOST, THEY'VE ASKED US FOR HELP ONE TIME THIS YEAR AND THEN THEY ENDED UP NOT NEEDING THEM TO RUN THE LIGHTS AND DIRECT TRAFFIC YOU SOMETHING OUT FOR NON, IN MY MIND, NON-FOOTBALL GAMES THAT ARE ALSO, IF YOU GET 3000 [00:05:01] PEOPLE DOWN AT THE STADIUM FOR A BACKPACK GIVEAWAY AND YOU UNLOAD 'EM ALL AT ONCE AND YOU CONGESTED, YOU KNOW THAT THE POWER PART OF THE CITY OR WE WERE AT A CHUNK OR TREAT EVENT THAT YOU HAD PEOPLE PARKING UP AND DOWN THE STREETS ALL TO GET IN THERE. AND, WHICH IS GREAT THAT TO ME TO HAVE THOSE EVENTS. BUT I, I DO SIT THERE AFTER SITTING DAVID JAKE ON THESE THINGS AND GO, IF THEY HAD AN ISSUE, LIKE I ALWAYS ASK MYSELF, IS THIS SEEM EVEN PERMITTED BECAUSE I DON'T SEE HAVING PERMITTED EVENTS, I DON'T SEE THE SAME PRECAUTIONS BEING TAKEN THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TO GO THROUGH. AND YOU MAY HAVE, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU THINK WROTE THAT TRUNK OR TREE? ABOUT THOUSAND OR MORE? NO. YEAH, THINK MAYBE 1,800, 800. THE PHOTOS THAT WE WERE JUDGING. YEAH, YEAH. MM-HMM. YEAH, I THINK 1500. WELL ANYWAY, SO YOU GET A LOT OF ALL CRAMMED TO ONE AREA AND IF WE HAVE TO GET EVERYBODY OUT OF THERE QUICKLY AND I'M LIKE, MAN, DID THEY EVEN DO ANY OF THIS? BECAUSE WHAT I'M ALWAYS AFRAID OF, WHICH IS WHERE WE GET TO THE, THAT MEETING WHERE WE HAD THE BIG BLOW UP IS WE'VE GOT A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE THAT ARE ALL MEANING WELL, BUT THE MINUTE SOMETHING GOES WRONG, THEY'RE ALL GONNA COME BACK. I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK TO LIKE JAKE AND THE CITY GO, DID YOU GUYS HAVE THIS PROCESS? AND IF WE GO, WELL, THAT WAS EXEMPT. AND THEN YOU MAY HAVE A, UH, YOU KNOW, SITUATION WHERE IT'S LIKE, WHY WOULD YOU GUYS LET YOU KNOW, 2000 PEOPLE CONGREGATE KIDS AND KNOW LET IT NOT HAVE. BUT ANYWAY, I WON'T SPEND A WHOLE MEETING ON, I JUST WANT US TO THINK ABOUT WE'VE GONE TO SOME EVENTS AND THERE'S SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THERE. YEAH. AND I THINK THE PRI THE PRIMARY, UH, IDEA AROUND THE EXEMPTION OF THE ISD WAS REALLY CENTERED AROUND THE FOOTBALL, UH, GAMES BECAUSE OF THE, THE FREQUENCY OF THE EVENT THEY'RE DOING, THEIR EAPS THEY HAVE, UH, THEIR OWN POLICE FORCE WORKING AT. SO I DO THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT TOO. THESE NON-FOOTBALL EVENTS THAT MAYBE DON'T HAVE THE EAP MAYBE DON'T HAVE THE QUITE THE SAME LEVEL OF PLANNING AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK WITH THIS EXEMPTION BUT ALSO MAINTAIN A, A HIGH LEVEL DEGREE OF SAFETY AND COORDINATION. SO I'LL DEFINITELY HAVE THAT WRITTEN DOWN. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE DIDN'T REALLY DISCUSS AND I AGREE. I DON'T THINK BECAUSE YOU PUT THE FOOTBALL GAME ON EVERY WEEK, YOU SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS, RIGHT? YOU DO IT ONCE AND IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE, WE GOT THIS DOWN. YOU KNOW, IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE. THERE'S NO REASON TO DO YOU HAVE A PROVISION THAT STATES HOW DO ISD IS REQUIRED TO HAVE THEIR OWN EAP FOR ANY EVENT OVER X NUMBER OF PEOPLE. AND THEN, AND THEN THEY JUST KIND OF PROVIDE THAT TO THE CITY THAT SAYS, HEY, WE, WE'VE DONE THE PLANNING, WE'VE DONE IT ON OUR SIDE AND HERE'S THE PROOF. IS THAT UNREASONABLE? WE COULD PROBABLY WORK THAT INTO THE SPEC TO THIS ORDINANCE. UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DICTATE POLICY TO THEM LIKE THAT. I MEAN THEY'RE, WE, WE'VE HEARD THOSE ARGUMENTS, RIGHT? I WANT PETER THOUGH, IF, IF THEY COME UP WITH A PLAN TO ME TO WHERE YOU GUYS ARE LIKE, LOOK, I GOT IT EVERY TIME. TO ME THIS OUGHT TO BE, I HOPE WE GET TO A POINT WHERE IT'S LIKE EVERY TIME YOU DO THIS EVENT, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT THING AND WE TWEAK IT EACH YEAR AS IT GETS BETTER. BUT NOT HAVING ONE AT ALL I THINK IS A PROBLEM. BUT I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO RUN EVERYBODY THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SOME YOU GUYS MAY HAVE SIMPLIFIED THIS, BUT SOME MULTI-HOUR WEEK LONG PROCESS WHEN IT'S LIKE, IT'S THE SAME EVENT WE JUST MOVED IT LOCATIONS OR SOMETHING. YEAH, WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT. WAS THERE ANY OTHER CONCERNS WITH OTHER EXHIBITIONS BEING ADDED ON THERE ABOUT ISP? I JUST MAKE SURE HOWEVER YOU DEFINE GET READY TO CHANGE THINGS. I MEAN, BLOCK PARTY, WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A 200 HOME NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S ONE BLOCK PARTY. IT'S A 1300 HOME NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU HAVE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BLOCK PARTY. SO AS LONG AS YOU GUYS HAVE ALL THAT THOUGHT OUT, THAT AS WE GET TO BE A BIGGER CITY. UH, ONE MORE THING THAT UH, WE DID DISCUSS THAT IS BACK TO THE HU ISD DISCUSSION IS THE PARADES, RIGHT? LIKE PARADES ARE OBVIOUSLY A, A SEPARATE ORDINANCE AND THAT EVERY PARADE, WHETHER OR NOT HU ISD IS DOING IT OR NOT IS STILL A PART OF THE PARADE ORDINANCE. SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE ONE OF THOSE EXEMPTIONS ISN'T QUITE A FULL EXEMPTION. SO THAT'S WHAT WILL PLAY OUT WITH THE, THE EAP DISCUSSION. YEAH. AS LONG AS THAT'S IN THERE. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ISSUES WHERE WE HAVE THINGS IN PLACE AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING THEM. SO WHERE OUR PEOPLE AND GO, OH, I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DID A PARADE ACROSS AND SHUT DOWN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU GUYS DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT. 'CAUSE GENERALLY YOU DO. MM-HMM . , THE ONLY ONE I CAN THINK OF IS THE, UH, ONE WE DID ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. IT WAS A PRETTY LAST MINUTE PARADE THAT WE DID. WELL, THERE WAS, THERE WAS AN NEPALI ONE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE JUST A FEW HUNDRED PEOPLE AND WHEN WE DO IT, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, THOUSAND PEOPLE. IT WAS LIKE THAT WAS NOT AT ALL, [00:10:01] UM, WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPENING. QUESTION. UM, IT SAYS AN ESTIMATED ATTENDANCE OF 1500 OR MORE PERSONS. WHO DOES THAT ESTIMATION? IS IT A JOINT EFFORT OR JUST A SPECIAL EVENTS COORDINATOR? WELL, IT IS A, IT'S IT'S PROBABLY A JOINT EFFORT. I MEAN WE HAVE HISTORICAL DATA THAT, UH, HAS A PRETTY GOOD TRACK RECORD OF HOW MANY COMING TO THE CRAWFISH SPECIAL ON OLD TIME DAY. SO IT'S MORE FOR NEW EVENTS AND THEY'RE ESTIMATED ATTENDANCE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS EVENT THIS WEEKEND. IF THEY SAID, HEY, WE'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE 800 PEOPLE, WOULD YOU GUYS LOOK AT THAT AND GO, COME ON, THERE'S GONNA BE LIKE 2000 PEOPLE, WHICH PROBABLY SAYS TEXAS IN THE NAME, THEY'RE COMING HERE MORE 800 PEOPLE UHHUH. YEAH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND WE NEED TO PROBABLY FIGURE OUT A, I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING JOINED BOTH THE, WHOEVER'S PUTTING ON THE VENT, ALSO TALKING TO THE PRIMARY VENDORS. 'CAUSE THEY MAY, THEY MAY BE, I DON'T KNOW, UM, THOSE, UH, CINNAMON ROLLS AND THAT COULD BE 500 PEOPLE RIGHT THERE. 'CAUSE THAT'S A HOT ITEM. AND THEN ALSO THE CITY STAFF AND A EVENT FOR SAY CIN ROLL, WHAT HAVE SUGAR ALL OVER BOTTLES BOTTLE NEED SEVEN ROLLS OF PANCAKES. YEAH. THE NEXT SECTION, UH, SHIFTS SOME, ONCE AGAIN KIND OF SHIFTS SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES FROM THE BIG REQUIREMENT FOR THE NEW SPECIAL EVENTS COORDINATOR. WE'RE ADDING NEW LANGUAGE THAT CLARIFIES THE REGULAR ON-DUTY STAFF SHOULD NOT BE USED TO COVER SPECIAL EVENTS AS WELL AS ADDING NEW LANGUAGE THAT GIVES STAFF THE AUTHORITY TO SHUT DOWN THE EVENT, UH, IF NECESSARY. WE, I DON'T THINK OUR ORDINANCE SAYS ANYTHING THAT GIVES US THE POWER TO DO THAT. SO THIS DEPENDS HOW, NOT THAT WE'VE EVER, SO HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT IF, IF SOMEONE HAD A 5,000, LET'S SAY CRAWFISH FESTIVAL AND YOU HAD TO SHUT IT DOWN, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH MANPOWER TO, HOW WOULD YOU GUYS GO IN AND SHUT THAT DOWN AND GET 8,000 PEOPLE TO VACATE? WELL, WE WOULD GO IN AND START TELLING THE FOOD VENDORS THEY NEED TO SHUT IT UP AND START HEADING OUT. AND THEN ONCE THE FOOD AND THE ATTRACTION START, THE VENDORS START LEAVING, THEN THE PEOPLE WILL START LEAVING. SO WE DON'T HAVE, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE 54 MAN DEPART. WE'RE NOT GONNA GO AUSTIN STRIKEFORCE THING WHERE WE'RE SHOVING PEOPLE OFF. WE'LL GO THROUGH, TALK TO THE VENDORS AND THEN MAKE OUR COMMUNICATION TALKING TO THE EVENT COORDINATORS YEAH. AND HAVING THEM POST ON ALL THEIR SOCIALS ANY WAY THEY CAN COMMUNICATE THAT THIS, THIS EVENT IS NOW CANCELED. AND, AND WHAT WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD LIKE A COUPLE ITEMS THAT WOULD MAKE YOU GO INTO AN EVENT AND GO, NO, AND WHAT WOULD TRIGGER THAT? 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS IN THE, IN THE PERMIT PROCESS, YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT WEATHER AND ALL THAT KINDA STUFF. SO WHAT ARE WE TALKING LIKE, YOU KNOW, EXTREME STUFF? YEAH, I MEAN STUFF, WEATHER. WEATHER COULD BE A PART OF IT, RIGHT? IF SOMEONE SAYS, HEY JAKE, I I HEAR YOU TELLING US THAT WE NEED TO POSTPONE OR CANCEL BECAUSE WE'RE UNDER A TORNADO WARNING RIGHT NOW. WELL, AND THEN, BUT THEY'RE SAYING, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE ANYWAYS. RIGHT? TEXAS HAPPENS. YEAH, IT'S TEXAS. WORSE WE'RE CHANCES. YEAH. WE KNOW THERE'S A TORNADO IN TAYLOR, RIGHT? SO THAT THIS, THIS NEW LANGUAGE WOULD ALLOW THE AUTHORITY BY THE ORDINANCE TO SAY, LOOK, THAT'S NOT A SAFE SITUATION. PUBLIC SAFETY IS, IS DEFINITELY A PART OF THIS. AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CANCEL THE EVENT AND, AND SHUT THE EVENT DOWN MAY MAYBE THERE AND WEATHER'S NOT THE ONLY ONE YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER HAZARD, ANOTHER AN ASTROWORLD TYPE SITUATION WHERE IT'S OVERCROWDED TOO MANY PEOPLE. WE GO SHUT THE MUSIC DOWN, UH, START MAKING, MAKING ANNOUNCEMENTS AND THEN WE'RE CALLING FOR HELP. BUT YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING ANNOUNCEMENTS TO EVERYBODY SHUTTING THE MUSIC DOWN. THE EVENT ENDS THROUGH THE , UH, EVENT PROMO PROMOTERS, UH, I THINK A ONE WHERE WE WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN WHAT THE ATTENDANCE WAS. THE JOSH BROWN GUY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER HIM. YEAH. BUT YOU WERE UH, YOU WERE THE MAYOR WHEN HE CAME IN AND WE DENIED HIS PERMIT. OH YEAH. THAT'S WHEN I GOT THE DEATH OF THAT. YEAH. THAT WAS RIGHT AROUND THAT SAME TIME. THE, YEAH. THE AFTERWORLD THING WAS RIGHT AROUND THE SAME TIME. UH, THAT KIND OF EVENT. I ENVISIONED US HAVING TO GO AND SHUT THAT DOWN WITHOUT SUPER CLEAR LANGUAGE ON THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. UH, WE HAVE THE STUFF IN PLACE TO WHERE LIKE, LET'S SAY THEY SAY, GUYS, IT'S PARTY'S STILL GONNA GO ON. WE HAVE THE STUFF IN PLACE WHERE YOU CAN ARREST THE EVENT ORGANIZERS OR RIGHT NOW IT'S CITATIONS, VIOLATION OF CITY ORDINANCE FOR CITATION. UH, BUT IF WE TRESPASS SOMEBODY OR IF WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S NOT COMPLIANT, THAT ULTIMATELY COULD BE THAT SPOT. AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE TAKEN PEOPLE IN CUSTODY FOR CITY ORDINANCE VIOLATIONS TO SOLVE AN IMMEDIATE PROBLEM. UH, GENERALLY NOT GENERALLY NOT THE PREFERRED WAY TO GO, BUT WE HAVE TAKEN SOME TO JAIL FOR VIOLATION OF THE CITY OF WORK BEFORE USUALLY WE'RE PRETTY, UH, WE'RE PRETTY CONVINCING AND WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY CHARMING ON SELLING THE UH, YOU KNOW, MEAN HEY CAN YOU HELP US OUT? AND THEY'RE USUALLY PRETTY EASY TO WORK WITH US. YEAH. ESPECIALLY IF THEY WANT TO COME BACK. AND YOU GUYS KNOW ME, I'M ALWAYS THINKING WORST CASE, RIGHT? YEAH. SOME LITTLE THING. [00:15:01] THE DRINKING GOT OUT OF CONTROL. THEY STARTED DOING SOME CRAZY STUFF. WE'RE LIKE, WE GOTTA CUT ALL THIS IS DONE. AND THEY'RE LIKE, NOPE, YOU CAN'T DO NOTHING ABOUT IT. WE'RE WE'RE GOING THEM. YES. AND UH, THE ONLY TIME THIS COMES UP, I CAN'T THINK OF A SINGLE TIME WHERE WE'VE SHUT IT DOWN. WE'VE GONE OUT THERE WHERE WE VIEW THE OFF-DUTY OFFICERS TO SET OUT BARRICADE OR BLOCKED THINGS OFF BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE MANPOWER. LIKE OH WE WERE SERIOUS ABOUT THAT. UM, SO WE HAD GONE BACK AND REMEDIED IT FOR 'EM THAT THEY COULD HOLD THEIR EVENT. UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE LAST, NOBODY WANTS TO BE THE GUY OR THE UH, AGENCY OR CITY SHUTTING DOWN AN EVENT THAT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO OR ALREADY PARTICIPATING. OKAY. SEVEN OF US ARE COMPLAINING. YOU GUYS ARE OVERSTEPPED YOUR BOUNDARY AND YOU GUYS ARE JUST BEING TOO CAREFUL. YEAH, I HEAR YOU. UM, THE OTHER THING WE ADDED, YOU WANT ME TO GO INTO THAT? YEAH, GO FOR IT. UH, UM, WE ADDED SOMETHING IN THERE, UM, IN REFERENCE TO PAY. SO EVERY TIME WE TRY TO SEND THIS OUT AS A SPECIAL EVENT, THERE'S A MIX OF CITY EVENTS THAT ARE SPECIAL EVENT AND THEN THERE ARE LIKE THE DOWNTOWN EVENTS AND THE CHAMBER EVENTS AND SOME OF THE AMPHITHEATER EVENTS THAT ARE PAID FOR EITHER OFF DUTY EMPLOYMENT FOR THE OFFICERS OR PAID FOR OUT OF CITY OVERTIME TIME. SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THE, ALL OF THOSE TO BE PAID OUT OF AS CITY TIME. UH, NOW WHAT WE DIDN'T DO TO COME UP WITH A MECHANISM TO INVOICE THE ON THE BACK END, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WERE INTERESTED IN ENTERTAINING, UH, BUT WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK OF HOW YOU WANT TO HANDLE THAT. RIGHT NOW THE CHAMBER PAYS FOR, WE HAVE TWO OFFICERS WALKING BEAT DURING THE DAYTIME AND WE BUMP THAT UP TO FORTNITE, UH, THE STREET PANTS WHEN THEY STILL HAVE THE BAR GOING. UM, THEY'RE PAID AT RIGHT NOW, THE OFF-DUTY RATE FOR THE OFFICERS IS $75 AN HOUR. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT GUYS WILL WORK IT FOR. UM, GENERALLY LESS THAN THAT. THEY'RE NOT SUPER ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT IT. IF WE PAY 'EM AT THE OVERTIME RATE, WE CAN ASSIGN THEM TO THAT AS A OFF-DUTY OR AN EXTRA ASSIGNMENT JOB AND IT WOULD GO ON THEIR TMRS AND COUNT FOR EVERYTHING ELSE. I'M NOT A FAN OF THAT PERSONALLY. AND, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S SET UP NOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO USE HU, THEY COULD ALWAYS USE ROUND ROCK OR TAYLOR. BUT IF YOU GET TO WHERE IT'S GONNA BE BASICALLY CITY EMPLOYMENT, NOT SAYING YOU GUYS WOULD DO THIS, BUT AUSTIN'S GOING THROUGH THIS RIGHT NOW WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S PEOPLE MAKING $300,000 A YEAR IN OVERTIME. AND THEN I COULD IMAGINE IF IT GOT OUTTA CONTROL YOU COULD HAVE LIKE, WELL THE REASON WE NEED A DOZEN OFFICERS AND YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF SOME ISSUE AND THEN THE NEXT EVENT'S GOT 15 AND PRETTY SOON EVERYBODY'S GETTING PAID AND THEN IT'S OTHER AGENCIES COMING IN MAYBE. AND TO ME, IF WE HAVE AN ISSUE WE CAN'T GET POLICE FOR SOME REASON I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE, THEN WE REVISIT IT. BUT UM, AND I KNOW AUSTIN IS NOT TO SAY WE'RE NOT HAVING THAT ISSUE THAT I KNOW OF, BUT UM, I COULD JUST SEE A LOT OF THOSE ARE SUPERVISORY TARGETS ABOVE BIGGER. THEY'D HAVE TO BE TO MAKE THAT KIND OF MONEY. UM, BUT UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT'S WHAT ARE YOU GUYS SAYING? YEAH. YEAH. I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO ADD, BUT I REMEMBER JULIO . BUT SO YOU WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT AS THE CITY EVENTS WOULD BE PAID, STILL BE PAID AS REGULAR WORK TIME, BUT UH, LIKE CHAMBER WOULD STILL DO THE OFF DUTY ROUTE THE WAY WE STATUS QUO. TO ME, IF IT'S A CITY EVENT, I THINK JAMES NEEDS TO DO IT IN A MANNER TO WHERE, UH, IF IF YOU GUYS HAVE TO ADD MORE PEOPLE, UH, THEN I THINK AND IT'S OVERTIME, THEN I THINK THAT'S SUPPOSED TO COME OUT OF OUR BUDGET, A BUDGET EXPENSE THE CITY. BUT THEN I THINK THE CHAMBER IS GONNA HAVE TO FOOT THE BILL THEN I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO AS A COUNCIL IS WE CAN SAY WHEN WE GO TO SUPPORT THE CHAMBER, WE'RE SUPPORTING WHATEVER, $5,000 IN IN MONEY THAT GOES TOWARDS POLICE OVERTIME AND, AND OFF DUTY, THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK IT'S JUST A, I'M LOOKING AT MORE OF A WAY TO CITY SPONSORED EVENT CITY SPONSORED OWNED BUDGET AND MORE OF ACCOUNTING. BECAUSE OTHERWISE LET'S HONEST, IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ROLLS IN ONE YEAR WITH A $200,000, I THINK THAT ONE YEAR THEY LIKE A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OVER BUDGET WHEN PAUL WAS HERE AND IT WAS LIKE, WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW. WELL IF ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE LOOKING AT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH THAT GO AND IT'S LIKE WELL WAS ALL IN OVERTIME THAT WE'RE IN THE PAPER AND INSTEAD IF WE'RE ACCOUNTING FOR IT TODAY WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES, TO ME IT MAKES IT TO WHERE WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT PROBLEM. AND THEN WE CAN TELL THE PEOPLE AT THE CHAMBER THAT WE GLAD YOU'RE DOING REALLY WELL, BUT WE CAN ONLY SUPPORT YOU SO MUCH. UM, BECAUSE COUNCIL ONLY ALLOTTED WHATEVER AND I THINK YOU GUYS CAN WORK WITH US IN ORDER TO HAVE A PROPERLY PATROLLED EVENT. THEY'RE GONNA REQUIRE X AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WITH THIS RATE. WELL, ON A SPECIAL, ON A SPECIAL EVENT WE'RE STILL PAYING [00:20:01] THE OFFICERS OR IS THE EVENT PAYING OFFICER? IT DEPENDS. SO SOME OF THE SPECIAL EVENTS WHEN IT IS A CITY EVENT, LIKE THE 4TH OF JULY, RIGHT? WE ARE PAYING THE OFFICERS OVER THE CITY IS PAYING THEM REGULAR OVERTIME. GOT IT. OR, UM, THE CRAWFISH BOIL EXTERNAL OR THE EXTERNAL ONES OR SOME LIKE THE, UM, AGENT BITES AND BEETS THAT THEY, THEY WROTE THE OFFICERS, THEY HIRE THEM THROUGH EITHER GO THROUGH ONE OF US TO SCHEDULE SOMEBODY OR THEY GO THROUGH THE APP ON OUR WEBSITE GOT AND THEY CONTRACT OUT WITH THE INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS. OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. LIKE ON THAT WORLD HIPA DAY, CHARLES, THEY UM, I THINK JAKE OR SOMEBODY SAID YOU'RE GONNA NEED TWO OFFICERS. AND SO THEN WE REACHED OUT TO THE HPLA AND THEY SAID, HEY, WE NEED TWO, IS THERE TWO OFFICERS WE COULD HAVE WITH RATE B? THEY TOLD US I THINK IT WAS LIKE 75. YEAH. AND THEN YOU SHOWED UP LIKE AN HOUR BEFORE, AN HOUR AFTER THE EVENT AND THEN WE WROTE HIM A CHECK TO THEM. UM, AFTER THAT, TO BE CLEAR, IT WOULD WOULDN'T BE ME. RIGHT? THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S WOULD BE LISTED UNDER THE COORDINATOR. THE, THE CHIEF OF POLICE STILL HAS THAT ON ON ON HIS ROLE OF DUTIES IN THIS ORDINANCE TO DETERMINE THAT BECAUSE I DO SEE MORE, THE REASON I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS IS I DO SEE MORE EVENTS AND I DO SEE A POINT IN TIME WHERE YOU GUYS ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO HANDLE ALL THE OVERTIME BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE BURNED OUT AND YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO GO, I LIKE, I DON'T WANT YARBOROUGH GOING, YOU GUYS GOTTA WORK THIS WEEKEND BECAUSE WHAT ELSE ARE WE GONNA DO? SO I THINK THERE'S GOTTA BE A SYSTEM IN PLACE TO WHERE YOU ALL HAVE AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, BUT THEN WE CAN GET OTHER PEOPLE IN AS WE GET MORE EVENTS AND KIND OF GROW OUR DOWNTOWN AND THINGS YOU WANNA TOUCH ON. SOMETHING ELSE IS, IT WASN'T JUST FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THIS IS ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS GUYS AND THE PARKS GUYS WHO WERE COMING IN ALSO. UH, 'CAUSE THEY'RE COMING IN ON THEIR SATURDAY TO SET UP BARRICADES AND BLOCK OFF STREETS. UM, THEY'RE COMING IN BUT WAY BEFORE THE EVENT AND THEN THEY'RE PICKING UP ON THE BACK END TOO. SAME THING WITH THE PARKS FOLKS. THEY'RE GETTING OUT THERE, GETTING EVERYTHING SET UP, GETTING THE PARKS NICE, UM, FOR THIS SPECIAL EVENT FOR THE EXTERIOR, LIKE THE SILVERWARE FESTIVAL WE'VE GOT GOING THIS WEEKEND THERE. THOSE, THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THOSE GUYS TO BE OUT THERE TO ASSIST WITH TURNING ON GENERATORS IF NEEDED, THAT KIND OF THING. WHICH ISN'T CURRENTLY COVERED FOR EXTERNAL EVENTS, THAT'S NOT A CITY OWNED EVENT. RIGHT. THAT, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET CONSISTENCY ON OF THIS IS THIS IS WHAT'S AVAILABLE FOR . KINDA LIKE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT'S AVAILABLE OR, OR THIS ISN'T WHAT'S AVAILABLE. WE, WE'VE SUPPORTED THIS AS AS MUCH AS WE CAN. WE'RE TRYING TO CLEARLY LINE WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT IS, WHAT WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL FEELS IS UH, AMENABLE TO TO OFFER AND TO PROVIDE AND WHAT IS NOT AND THEN WHAT'S THE MECHANISM FOR COMPENSATING FOR THAT. YEAH. I WOULD SAY ON THAT TOO, AGAIN, I'M LOOKING THIS FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT, FROM THAT WHAT IS THE COST THAT WE'RE FOR PUBLIC WORKS PARKS AND ALL THAT, WHAT DOES THAT COST FOR LIKE TREE LIGHTING, LET'S SAY IF IT WENT PRIVATE, IF YOU GUYS SAY, LOOK, IT'S $1,200, THEN I THINK THE DISCUSSION OUGHT TO BE IT'S A 1200 PERMIT TO DO THAT EVENT BECAUSE THAT'S THE COST FROM THE CITY SIDE. AND THEN I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL CAN DECIDE WE WANT THAT TO BE A CITY SPONSORED EVENT AND BUDGET TO 1200 FOR THAT. THAT WAY I THINK WE CAN PICK THE WAY I THINK WE'RE GOING AS A COUNCIL, RIGHT? IS SOME OF THESE EVENTS WE'RE GONNA LET OTHER PEOPLE PUT 'EM ON, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE CERTAIN SPONSORSHIP LEVELS. AND IT MAY BE THAT WE'RE PAYING ON THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO HAVE, AGAIN, THE EMPLOYEES PURPOSELY TAKING COMP TIME AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE ARE PUTTING EVENTS ON BECAUSE EMPLOYEES OUGHT TO HAVE THEIR WEEKENDS OFF OR NIGHTS OR WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING AND THEY OUGHT TO BE OPTIONAL TO WORK THOSE. IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS SAY? YEAH, I AGREE. YEAH. I, SO SO IT IS A DIFFERENT PAY IF IT'S A CITY SPONSORED EVENT OR GOVERNMENT EVENT AS OPPOSED TO SOMEONE COMING IN AND WANTING TO DO AN EVENT. 'CAUSE TO ME IT MAKES SENSE TO WHERE IF I'M GONNA COME IN AND I COME TO THE CITY TO GET A PERMIT TO RUN AN EVENT, I'M PAYING FOR EVERYTHING. I'M PAYING FOR SECURITY, I'M PAYING FOR PUBLIC WORKS, EVERYTHING THAT, THAT, THAT EVENT NEEDS, I'M PAYING FOR IT. RIGHT. SO IS THAT, AM I THINKING THAT RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO. YOU GOT IT. THAT'S NOT WHERE WE'RE AT. SO I'LL GIVE EXAMPLE. YEAH, WE HAVE AN EVENT THIS WEEKEND. THE TEXAS TROOPER PRONOU PUT MY BEST GUESS AT IT'S OVERNIGHT, OVERNIGHT EVENT AT ADMIR, BUT PERMANENT EVENT, IF THE TOILET CLOGS AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND IT BACKS UP, THEY HAVE TO CALL MY ON-CALL GUY TO COME OUT THERE. RIGHT. CITY'S ABSORBING THAT COST. YEAH. I WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM, FROM DOING THAT AND PASSING THOSE COSTS ONTO, UH, THOSE EXTERNAL EVENT PROVIDERS. AND THAT'S WHY I THINK NOW'S THE TIME TO BE DOING THIS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A FEW EVENTS, NOT A BIG DEAL, IT'S THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE COME BACK IN FIVE YEARS AND THERE'S EVENTS EVERY WEEKEND DOWN THERE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE COMING TO A SCHOOL AND I NEED [00:25:01] LIKE FIVE MORE FTES AND I NEED ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE KILLING US. YEAH. AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS MAKING THE MONEY, RIGHT? YEAH. AND WE'RE THE ONES ABSORBING THE PROBLEM. SO I THINK THERE'S A BALANCE IN THERE SOMEWHERE. BUT THIS GOES BACK TO, WE TALKED ON THE LAST WORK SESSION, RIGHT? YOU SHOULD BE PLANNING THE BEST TO, TO BE PROFITABLE OR LEAST BREAK EBIT. AND IF WE'RE HAVING TO PAY, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GETTING A THOUSAND DOLLARS IN PERMIT FEES, BUT WE HAVE TO SPEND 2000, WHY DO THE EVENT THAT'S, I MEAN I THINK WE GOTTA BUMP IT TO 2000 OR THE COUNCIL'S GOTTA SAY WE REALLY LIKE THAT EVENT AND WE UNDERSTAND IT'S, WE WE WANNA SPONSOR IT BY PAYING A THOUSAND DOLLARS TO OFFSET THAT. YEAH. AND NOW THEY ARE PAYING APPLICATION FEES. THEY'RE PAYING RENTAL FEES, THEY'RE PAYING OTHER FEES. BUT SOME OF THE, THE FIXED COSTS ARE JUST RIGHT. BUT ELECTRICITY AND WATER, THOSE FEES AREN'T, AREN'T COVERING THAT THE GUY, YOU'RE GONNA NOT, NOT COVERING ALL THE OVERHEAD IS WHAT YOU'RE, THEY'RE NOT COVERING THE OFFICERS THAT HAVE TO BE THERE TO MAKE SURE THEY SAFE. I MEAN THAT FEE SHOULD, THEY SHOULD BE, IN MY OPINION. SO I RAN EVENTS IN AUSTIN AND I WAS, AND I WAS SPONSORED BY BROWN DISTRIBUTED AND WHEN I HAD ANY EVENT, BROWN PAPER, EVERYTHING, THEY PUT THE OFFICER THERE, THEY PAY EVERYTHING. SO IF IF WE'RE HAVING AN EVENT, THAT EVENT SHOULD BE PAID FOR AND THEY SHOULD KNOW AHEAD OF TIME ALL THE COSTS. YOU'RE SAYING PRIVATE EVENTS? PRIVATE EVENTS, YES. YEAH. AND THE CITY EVENTS OUGHT TO BE OUGHT TO BE PROPERLY ACCOUNTED FOR. YEAH. YES. YEAH. SOME OF THEM LIKE THE, I THINK THE EXAMPLE WAS THE, THE EASTER ACCOUNT, RIGHT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROBABLY NEVER GONNA MAKE MONEY OUTTA THAT. THAT'S MORE OF A A COMMUNITY COMMUNITY BENEFIT, RIGHT? KIDS. BUT YOU AT LEAST WANNA KNOW HOW MANY ACCOUNT FOR, HERE'S WHAT, WHAT I FEAR IS THAT WE HAVE EVENTS AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE THAT WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD GRASP OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE EMPLOYEES ARE WORKING. 'CAUSE YOU GO OUT AND THERE'S THREE HERE, THERE'S FOUR OVER THERE LIKE THE, UH, THE DRONE SHOW. THERE'S EMPLOYEES ALL OVER THE PLACE. AND I'M LIKE, OH, THESE GUYS THAT WE'RE ALL OUT JOIN CHRISTMAS AND THEY ALL GET TO GO OUT AND WORK THE THING FOR US. AND SO I'M LIKE, DAMN, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE GOT? AND IF THAT GOES TO A PRIVATE EVENT AND HAVE THE VOLUNTEERS DO ALL THAT, AND THEN THE CITY JUST PAY FOR THE DRUM SHOW AND YOU GUYS ARE MAKING SURE THEY HAVE ALL THE OTHER THINGS AND THEN THE EMPLOYEES CAN START ENJOYING. IT'S GOT, ITS LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE AT EVERY EVENT DOWN THERE AND AT SOME POINT DON'T YOU WANT BRING YOUR KIDS TO THE ACTUALLY PARK AND REC KIDS, THEY COME TO EVERY , EVERYTHING. THEY COME TO EVERYTHING. THEY CHECK OUT THE TRASH TOO. EVERYTHING. BUT YOU'D RATHER BE THERE ENJOYING YEAH, WE'D RATHER HAVE A ING. YEAH. OKAY. SO, UH, MOVING ON. UM, AND TEMPORARY STRUCTURES. WE UPDATED SOME LANGUAGE REFERENCING THE, UH, I, I'M SORRY, SORRY. I HAVE BACK ON THE CITY MANAGER FINAL APPROVAL. ADD SOMETHING ABOUT WHERE WE STRUCK OUT THAT THE CHIEF OF POLICE SHALL DETERMINE, IN OTHER WORDS, THE FINAL APPROVAL IS NOT THE CHIEF OF POLICE. WE STRUCK ALL THAT OUT AND THE CITY MANAGER FINAL APPROVAL TO A AND D I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE DUTIES THAT SHIFTED FROM THE CHIEF POLICE TO THE NEW SPECIAL EVENTS COORDINATOR POSITION. OKAY. SO WE WANT CITY MANAGER HAS THE FINAL AUTHORITY ON, HE SIGNED UP ON EVERY PERMIT AND JUST ABOVE THAT YOU'LL SEE THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND, AND ALL OF THE, UH, RESPONSIBILITIES PER THE ORDINANCE. RIGHT? I SEEN THAT BEFORE. WHICH I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE A CITY MANAGER BECAUSE IF THERE GOES SOUTH, LET'S BE HONEST, WE COULD YELL AT CHIEF YARBOROUGH, BUT THE END OF THE DAY, THE ONLY PERSON WE CAN HOLD ACCOUNTABLE AS A CITY MANAGER. AND SO IT'S LIKE, HEY, WHY DID YOU, WHY DID YOU SIGN UP ON THIS APARTMENT ? YEAH, I MEAN I I I ASSUME THE CHIEF OF POLICE IS STILL INVOLVED IN ALL THESE FINAL APPROVAL. SO IT'S JUST NOT, NOT IN A VACUUM. NO, HE IS NOT IN THE VACUUM. THAT'S PART, IT IS PART OF THE PERMIT PROCESS. YEAH. SO WE HAVE THOSE MEETINGS AND THEN HE GETS FOR, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND WE TALK ABOUT IT. WELL, WHENEVER I SEE'S STRIKING OUT THE CHIEF OF POLICE, I GO AND I WOULD SAY THIS, IF HE, IF HE'S NOT INVOLVED, YEAH. THEN WE WOULD GO TO THE CITY MANAGER AND GO, HEY, WHY DO YOU EVEN HAVE, WHY DO YOU HAVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IF YOU'RE NOT EVEN INCLUDING 'EM IN THE DECISION MAKING? WHY AGAIN, WHY DID YOU DO ALL THIS? OKAY, SORRY, I SHOULD SPOKE UP. THANK YOU. THIRD SLIDE. SO ON THE 10TH AND STRUCTURES, UH, WE ADDED THE, UM, INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE. I THINK IT HAD, UH, SOME OUTDATED CODE. SO THIS IS THE CORRECT TERMINOLOGY. AND THEN FIRE, IT WAS FIRE MARSHALL, BUT THEY RECOMMENDED USING THE AUTHORITY, HAVING JURISDICTION, UH, INSTEAD OF THE FIRE MARSH IN CASE THE FIRE MARSHAL'S SICK OR OUT OR , WHATEVER. UH, THE RESTROOMS. UM, OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO PORTABLE RESTROOMS. WE MODIFIED IT WHERE IF YOU WANT TO USE ONSITE RESTROOMS, YOU'RE NOT HAVE TO GET THE PORTABLE ONES. UH, WE DO HAVE A PROVISION [00:30:01] THERE THAT SAYS THAT WE CAN ASK FOR MORE IF WE'RE NEVER GONNA HAVE MORE. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE TEXAS SHORE FEST IS GONNA HAVE 3000 PEOPLE. OUR TWO RESTROOMS OUT MAR CAN'T HANDLE THAT MANY PEOPLE. THEY NEED TO BRING IN PORT POCKETS, THEY LOOK AT CLIENTS, THEY WON'T BE LOGGED. UM, AND THEN ON THE, UH, WASTED WA UH, WASTED WATER WASTEWATER, WE ADDED LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT, UH, DISCHARGE, UH, LIQUID WASTE GREASE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT INTO THE STORM DRAINS. THAT'S REALLY RELATED TO BE HONEST, WITH THE C CRAWFISH FESTIVAL AND THOSE THAT DO FOOD TRUCK FESTIVALS AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THEY NEED TO PROPERLY DISPOSE OF THAT. IS THERE A WAY TO MONITOR THAT THAT IS MONITORED THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS? THEY HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY'RE GONNA COMPLY WITH, WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN USUALLY PUBLIC WORKS OVERSEES THAT DEPARTMENT. THEY'RE NOTIFIED THEY EVENT AND, UM, THE ON SITE MAKE SURE, BUT IF NO ONE'S WATCHING AND I DUMP GREASE IN THERE, IS THERE A WAY TO KNOW, UH, THAT'S A PUBLIC WORKS QUESTION, SO WE CAN GET YOU AN ANSWER TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, BECAUSE HOW THEY TRACK THAT, BUT YEARS AGO I SAW GUYS BLOWING GRASS IN OUR, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND DUMPING THE TRIMMINGS DOWN THE DRAIN OR DOWN THE STORM DRAIN. STORM DRAIN. OH YEAH, YEAH. THAT THEY WOULDN'T TYPICALLY CATCH. BUT IF THERE'S ENOUGH OF A GREASE DISCHARGE, IT WILL CLOG UP A MANHOLE. THE MANHOLE WILL BACK UP. AND THEN IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS WHERE THE THINGS CAME FROM. UH, THE NEXT SECTION IS RELATED TO THE APPLICATION FILING PERIOD. CURRENTLY IT IS 30 DAYS. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT GO TO 45 DAYS WITH THE LATE APPLICATION STILL ELIGIBLE FOR CONSIDERATION WITH GOOD COST. THIS JUST GIVES US MORE TIME TO VET, UH, AND TO GO THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PROCESSES. SO ANYBODY THAT'S GONE THROUGH APPROVAL KNOWS THAT ALL THE COMMUNICATIONS ON THAT PORTAL. AND SO EVERYBODY THAT'S ON THIS TEAM THAT WE HAVE HAS ACCESS TO THOSE AND COMMUNICATE THOSE AND SEE THAT. SO INSTEAD OF CHASING EMAILS BACK AND FORTH, AND SO SOMETIMES JUST THE SURE NUMBER OF EVENTS OR THE COMPLEXITY OF EVENTS THAT WE THINK WE'RE GONNA START HAVING MORE OF THAT WE NEED THAT EXTRA 15 DAYS BUFFER. UH, SURETY BOND IS GOING FROM 10,000 TO TO 15,000. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? WELL, UH, I DON'T MIND GOING 30 TO 45 DAYS, BUT I HOPE IT GETS TO A POINT IN THIS WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING BACK AND FORTH FOR MONTHS ON HOW MANY POLICE AND HOW MANY. THIS TO ME, WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO SAY, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU GUYS PROCESS IS EXTREMELY CUMBERSOME. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LAW DEGREE TO FIGURE IT OUT. AND SO TO ME IT'S, I'M HOLDING A, I'M GONNA HAVE 3000 PEOPLE. I'M DOING THIS, THIS, AND THIS. TO ME, YOU GUYS HUDDLE AND GO CHIEF SAYS WE'RE GONNA NEED, UH, FOUR COPS. PUBLIC WORKS GONNA NEED THIS. AND THEN WHEN IT COMES OUT, IT'S NOT, HEY, HERE'S YOU JUST ARE BASICALLY TELLING PEOPLE, IF YOU WANNA HAVE THIS EVENT IN OUR CITY, HERE'S YOUR REQUIREMENTS. DO YOU AGREE THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS AND THIS AND THIS AND THIS? AND THE ANSWER IS YES, PAY THE FEE. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW I FEEL LIKE IT'S LIKE A NEGOTIATION. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A NEGOTIATION, IT'S JUST THAT EVERY EVENT CAN BE WIDELY, UH, DIVERSE IN TERMS OF ITS RISKS AND HAZARDS, DURATION, THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE, THE TYPE OF ACTIVITY, THE TIME OF DAY THAT IT'S HAPPENING, WHETHER ALCOHOL IS IN OR NOT. THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S, UH, LOTS OF CRITERIA THAT BUILDS YOUR RISK FACTOR. AND TO GET IT TO A CONCISE FORMALIZED PATTERN WHERE WE CAN SAY, CHECK THIS BOX, CHECK THIS BOX, CHECK THIS BOX, AND ELIMINATE SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION BASE WHERE WE CAN PROBE AND, AND UH, BE ABLE TO DETERMINE MORE ACCURATELY THE THE HAZARDS AND RISKS. YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT IS, IT IS NOT. I THINK THEY HAVE, IT'S NOT VERY SIMPLE IN FRONT Y'ALL BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, AND YOU'VE DONE THIS BEFORE, TELL ME WHAT IT FEELS LIKE. IT'S LIKE, WELL WE NEED TO FILL OUT YOUR PARKING PLANS TO SUBMIT THE PARKING PLAN. THEN THERE'S QUESTIONS ON YOU GUYS ASKING ABOUT, WELL WHY'D YOU DO THIS? AND WHAT ABOUT THIS? AND TIP COULD DO THIS TO ME, IF WE JUST SAT DOWN, HASHED OUT IN AN HOUR, I WOULD KNOW AS AN EVENT PERSON AND EVERYTHING I NEEDED TO DO. WHEREAS RIGHT NOW I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WELL WHAT IF IT DOES SNOW? UM, WHAT IF IT DOES RAIN? WHAT IF WHAT LIGHTNING AND IT'S, WELL, HOW MANY INCHES OF WATER UNTIL YOU CANCEL? I DON'T KNOW. I'M THINKING TOO, YOU GUYS ARE LIKE, NO, IT ONLY HAS TO BE ONE. I'M LIKE ALL THIS BACK AND FORTH. YEAH. UM, TO ME IT'S EASIER TO HAVE AN HOUR LIKE A PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING, ALMOST A PRE-EVENT MEETING AND YOU GUYS GO, OKAY, AND THEN YOU GUYS ARE ABLE TO ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS AND THEN THERE IS NO, THE BOX CHECKING IS, I AGREE TO DO WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TELLS ME TO DO, BUT MEAN DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT LIKE IT'S JUST A BACK AND FORTH WHERE IT YEAH, I THINK IT CAN BE. UM, DEPENDING ON, I THINK IT ALSO, I THINK IT ALSO DEPENDS ON, ON THE APPLICANT AND HOW MUCH, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IF THEY'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE, IT'S GONNA TAKE [00:35:01] A LOT LONGER. BUT EVEN IF THEY HAVE DONE IT BEFORE, THE NEW PROCESS TAKES YOU AN HOUR TO GO THROUGH AND FILL IT OUT ANYWAY. UM, AND ATTACH EVERYTHING. BUT YEAH, IT CAN BE A BACK AND FORTH. I THINK IF, UM, YEAH, I THINK IF YOU, IF MAYBE YOU HAD THAT SIT DOWN AFTER THEY PUT THE APPLICATION IN, YOU GO THROUGH IT WITH 'EM AND UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOUR PRE EVENT MEETING THAT IF THEY MIGHT LIMIT, UH, MINIMIZE THE, THE BACK AND FORTH LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. LIKE WE SAT DOWN WITH JEFF, JEFF'S TELLING US EVERYTHING THEY NEEDED, BUT THEN IT'S ALL GONNA BE RUN BY YOU AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND WHAT JEFF AND HIS PEOPLE ARE THINKING THAT I'M LIKE, IF YOU WERE THERE, I, WE JUST NEED SOMEONE TO TELL US HOW MANY COPS DO WE NEED AND THEN SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TELL US OUT A THOUSAND PEOPLE. YOU GUYS ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW, WELL HOW MANY BATHROOMS ARE YOU GONNA PROVIDE? I DON'T KNOW. I THINK, I THINK PART OF THAT, AND, AND, AND THIS MAY HAVE CHANGED BUT UH, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A WHILE BACK SINCE I DID AN EVENT, BUT IS, IS HAVING THE HA UH, THESE GUYS HAVING THAT, THAT THRESHOLD, YOU KNOW, HEY, AT 300 PEOPLE YOU GOTTA HAVE MORE THAN TWO RESTROOMS OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS. AND SO I THINK SOME OF THAT BACK AND FORTH IS THE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE NEED ANOTHER RESTROOM, BUT I FELT LIKE THAT CAME FROM THEIR SIDE. AGAIN, THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE NOW, BUT WHEN I WAS DOING IT, THAT WAS WHERE, THAT WAS WHERE THE BACK AND FORTH CAME FROM. IT WASN'T, THERE WASN'T LIKE A DELINEATION OF ALRIGHT, WHEN YOU HIT 500 PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS MM-HMM WHEN YOU HIT 750 YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS. THEY DIDN'T, AT THE TIME THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT. AND SO THAT KIND OF, THAT YEAH, THAT MAY BE, IT'S BEEN A YEAR SINCE I DID ONE, BUT YEAH, THEY HAVE CHANGED. MAN, I'LL VOTE TO GET RID OF THIS IF I HAD TO DO THAT AGAIN. YEAH. AND THAT'S LIKE, THAT WAS THE FIRST SLIDE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS IMPROVING THAT PROCESS AND STREAMLINING THAT THROUGH BASED ON THIS, UM, THE, THE THING THAT WE SEE CUSTOMER MENT WHEN THEY DO THAT IS ALL GONNA HAVE 500 MEANS OF NEW RESTROOM. THAT'S GONNA BE AN EXTRA $200. I ONLY HAVE 400 PEOPLE THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY END UP HAVING 2000 ALL OF A SUDDEN. RIGHT. PEOPLE ARE GOING AND USE THE RESTROOM BEHIND THE CORNER OVER THERE. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING WE GOTTA LIKE GET THAT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FAIL ON. THIS IS HOW DO YOU GET THAT? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN MAN. YEAH. UM, BECAUSE WE WERE, LOOK, WE BEAT THAT. WE BEAT THAT UP IN ROOM. COME KIND TO COME UP WITH RESTROOMS. FOR . THIS EVENT IS 3000 PEOPLE. YOU, THAT EQUALS FOUR COPS, THIS OR THAT. IT EQUALS SOME OF THE LIKE THE BARBECUE EVENTS. WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE AN OFFICER OUT THERE FOR THAT. THAT'S NOT A COME AND GO EVENT. THERE'S NO HEADLINER, NO RUSH OF TRAFFIC LEAVING. NOBODY, NO TABC PERMITTING, NOT TICKETED, BUT THEY GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE BUT WE DON'T. SO THEY WOULD MEET THOSE THRESHOLDS BUT IT WOULDN'T BE APPLICABLE TO A LOT OF THAT STUFF. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL CHECK BOX AND THAT DOESN'T WORK. YOUR PRE-EVENT MEETINGS UH, WORKS MUCH BETTER. AND A LOT OF THE WHOLE, YOU GUYS SAY YOU GOTTA GIVE AWAY ALCOHOL WALK, WALK US THROUGH, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? OH WE'RE GONNA, EVERYBODY GETS A TWO CASES OF BEER AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A FREE KEG UP HERE, BUT IT'S A LIMITED TWO AND THEN YOU GUYS ARE LIKE, OKAY, HOLD ON A MINUTE. AND WE DON'T NEED TABC TO BE A PART OF IT BECAUSE WE'RE GIVING IT AWAY. WE'RE NOT SELLING IT. YOU GUYS CAN GO, OKAY, LIKE IF YOU WANT DO THIS, YOU'RE GONNA NEED LIKE 15 COPS. A LOT OF STUFF. 'CAUSE WE'VE SEEN THIS EXACT EVENT HAPPEN NEARBY AND LIKE WHATEVER THAT GUY WAS DOING IN TEXAS, WHATEVER IT WAS NOW I'LL SAY BEEN WHILE SINCE I'VE DONE AN EVENT, BUT WE DID HAVE A MEETING, UM, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO IT WAS WITH BUT UH, THAT WAS BACK ACTUALLY CHRISTIE, THAT WAS BACK WHEN CHRISTIE WAS DOING A WHILE BACK. BUT UM, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO I TALKED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT WE DID HAVE A MEETING. UM, I HAPPENED TO HAVE ALL MY DUCKS IN A ROW ON THAT ONE, SO IT DIDN'T TAKE THAT LONG. BUT UM, THAT PROCESS IS KIND OF THERE I WOULD SAY. YEAH. WHEN, WHEN THE APPLICANT HAS ALL THEIR INFORMATION TOGETHER, IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE PROCESS. YEAH. BUT WHEN THEY HAVE NO IDEA OR THEY'RE LESS THAN FORTHCOMING ABOUT WHAT THEIR ATTENDANCE NUMBERS ARE GONNA BE, WHICH WE'VE RUN INTO. UM, LIKE I, I'LL PICK ON ONE 'CAUSE I CAN NAME IT ASIAN BITES AND BEATS. THE FIRST YEAR THEY SAID, WELL IT'S GONNA BE A COME AND GO EVENT. WE'RE NOT GONNA BE THAT BIG. WE HAD FOUR OFFICES OUT THERE WHO WERE WILDLY OVERWHELMED. THEY COULDN'T HANDLE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC BECAUSE IT ENDED UP BEING CLOSE TO 4,000 PEOPLE AND THEY COULDN'T LEAVE AND THEY HAD A BUNCH OF TRAFFIC AND THEY, SO THE NEXT YEAR THEY CAME THROUGH AND WERE LIKE, YOU NEED DOUBLE THAT. UM, AND THEN WE CAN HANDLE THIS. AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT MUCH. WE'RE NOT ADVERTISING THAT. AND THEY KEPT SKEWING THE NUMBERS DOWN. UM, SO WHEN THOSE THINGS HAPPEN, IT STRETCHES THAT PROCESS FROM 30 DAYS WHERE WE WOULD LOVE TO GET IT DONE QUICKLY, BUT WE NEED SOME COOPERATION FROM THE APPLICANT'S ON THAT MARKET. GUYS, I'M HOPING YOU GUYS JUST GET TO WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, SORRY GUYS, IT'S EIGHT. AND JAMES IS LIKE, YOU GUYS SCREWED US LAST YEAR ON THIS. WE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE PUT PEOPLE UNSAFE IN UNSAFE POSITIONS. 'CAUSE I KNOW'S TALKING ABOUT THAT WAS LIKE MESS. YEAH. YEAH. A HUGE MESS. AND WE HAVE IDENTIFIED A COUPLE AREAS THAT WILL IMPROVE IT. LIKE BETTER EDUCATION AND BETTER COMMUNICATION ON THE, THE START OF THE APPLICATION OF WHAT NEEDS AN APPLICATION BY THE ORDINANCE OF WHAT DOESN'T. AND UH, TAKING THE APPLICATION AND COMBINING A LOT OF DIFFERENT SECTIONS AND MAKING MORE AS, AS WHERE WHEN THINGS CAN BE CONSOLIDATED AND AND THRESHOLD OUT THAT, THAT WE APPLY THAT AND THE ONES THAT, THAT CAN'T HAVE TO BE [00:40:01] DIALOGUED OUT, THEN WE, THEN WE, WE CAN, WE CAN, WE HAVE A PROCESS FOR THAT. BUT THE 45 DAYS KIND OF GIVES US THE ABILITY TO DO THAT FOR THE MORE COMPLEX ONES AND THEN THE RESTRUCTURE OF THE APPLICATION AND HOW IT'S COMMUNICATED AND AND SIMPLIFYING THAT PROCESS, THE APPLICATION PROCESS IN IN GENERAL GIVES US THE BEST, BEST OF BOTH WORLDS THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH AND THE MORE COMPLICATED EVENTS THAT WE DO AS A CITY, WHETHER WE SPONSOR THEM OR THEY'RE EXTERNAL. MM-HMM . WE DO HAVE A SIT DOWN MEETING. SO FRIDAY AFTERNOON FRIDAY WE HAVE A SIT DOWN MEETING WITH CRAWFISH SPECIAL. WE'VE DONE CRAWFISH SPECIAL FOR HOW MANY YEARS? IT'S KIND OF A SAME THING WE ROLL OUT EVERY YEAR, BUT GUESS WHAT? WE STILL SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND KIND OF GO OVER EVERYTHING AND THEY TRY TO GET US TO CONCE ON CERTAIN THINGS AND AND WE SAY NO WE CAN'T DO THAT. AND SO, BUT WE DO HAVE THOSE MEETINGS PERIODICALLY TIME TO TIME FOR THE LARGER EVENTS THAT ARE EITHER NEW OR GONNA IMPACT THE CITY. AND IT'S . WELL WHAT'S A SURETY BOND? I DON'T REMEMBER DOING THAT. IT IS IN THERE. IT IS JUST A BOND PUT UP TOWARDS CITY FOR ANYTHING THAT GETS DAMAGED, BROKEN OR UH, NEEDS CLEANUP. IT GIVES THE CITY THE OPTION OF COLLECTING BASED ON THAT LAW. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER SEEN ONE. UH, 'CAUSE IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT, UM, I DIDN'T KNOW WE DIDN'T GET ONE OF THAT. YOU CAN, IT YOU BOB OFF AN INSURANCE PROVIDER. THEY TYPICALLY, DEPENDING ON, DEPENDING ON YOUR CREDIT REALLY IS HOW MUCH YOU'RE GONNA PAY. SO IT'S USUALLY ABOUT, FOR A 50,001 IT RANGES BETWEEN $150 TO $400. SO EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT GOING FORWARD. AN ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW THERE'S REQUIRED AND IT'S CURRENTLY SET AT $10,000 DOING THIS. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYBODY PROVIDE THAT. WE HAVEN'T. YEAH, WE HAVEN'T REALLY. WE WE'VE REQUIRED THE INSURANCE TO BE THERE. YEAH, BUT THE IN THE SURETY BOND, WHAT'S THAT? DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT COST TO PRO TO GET ONE OF THOSE? HE JUST SAID LIKE HUNDRED. IT IS LIKE A BOND. IT'D BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 TO 20% OF THAT. YOU GUYS EVER HAD ANY ISSUES? THE ONLY THING I COULD THINK OF WAS THE DUMPING, THE DUMPING THE STUFF IN THE STORM WATER. WE'VE HAD A COUPLE ISSUES. WELL, I MEAN THAT'S DIFFERENT, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IF YOU DUMP IT IN THE STORM STORMWATER, THAT'S ANOTHER VIOLATION OF SOMETHING ELSE. BUT I'M WONDERING, I SEE LITTER ISSUES AFTER A LOT OF EVENTS. YEAH, YEAH. UM, NOW I DON'T KNOW IF SOMETHING THAT A STREET SWEEPER CAN TAKE BY ITSELF, BUT THERE'S ALSO ON THE SIDEWALK JUST DOING A E STREET ON THE CRAWL. I MEAN UP, UP BEHIND HETA ON THE VACANT LOT ALL UP AND DOWN, ALL THOSE BEGGING LOTS UP TOWARD, UH, HALL OF FAME. THERE'S, THERE'S LITTER EVERYWHERE. SURE. DID NOT COVER THAT. YES, IT'S IN THE, IN THE RECORD. IT REALLY PROTECTS US FOR SOMEBODY FROM THEIR, SOMEBODY DOWNTOWN WHERE TO BACK INTO, UH, A TRASH CAN OR, OR A TREE OR, OR SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE IT NO, IT SAYS AND THAT NO PAPER LITTER OR OTHER DEBRIS WILL BE PERMITTED TO REMAIN UPON THE CITY PROPERTY STREETS OR UPON ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY BY THE APPLICANT. OR TO BE TAKEN OUTTA THE SURETY BOND. RIGHT. SO HERE'S WHAT I'M LOOKING, I KNOW THEY VOTED IN THERE, HUH? THEY'RE NOT SELLING SURETY BONDS. SO IT, WE COULD WRITE ANYTHING WE WANT IN THERE AND IF SOMEONE GOES, GETS A SURETY BOND, THE BOND GUY'S LIKE I'M PICKING UP TRASH. AND SO WHAT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT PROCESS IS. 'CAUSE DOTIE MAKES LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, A HUNDRED DOLLARS AN HOUR, BUT AS SOON AS YOU GO TO MAKE A CALL ON THE SURETY BOND AND THEY TELL YOU GUYS A POUND SAND, THEN SHE'S INVOLVED AND THEN WE JUST SPENT $3,000 TRYING TO COLLECT 500 AND MAYBE DEPEND ON ALL THAT. AGAIN. IS IT, DOES IT JUST COST MORE TO PUT THE EVENT ON? AND THEN WE DO ACCOUNTING, WE SAY A PORTION THAT MONEY IS GOING OVER HERE. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE YOU GIVE IT TO SOMEONE 250 BUCKS A TIME. AND THEN WHEN WE DO HAVE A CALL, WE WILL THE MONEY. UH, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN CITIES DO THAT? THE CHURCH GONE? NO, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT IN THE SPECIAL EVENT ORDINANCES, BUT I'VE SEEN CITIES, YOU KNOW, COLLECT, LIKE IF THEY, UM, HAD THE INSTANCE WITH THE, UM, PORT POT OR THE RESTROOMS, THEY WOULD SEND AN INVOICE TO THE EVENT HOLDER. THE BOROUGH SHOWS UP AT THE DOORSTEP WITH AN IN INVOICE THAT TO GET THEIR ATTENTION WELL TO, TO COLLECT THAT. OR IF THEY, YOU KNOW, BACKED INTO A CITY, UM, TRASH CAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE, WE'VE HAD EVENTS WHERE THEY, I DON'T SAY THEY'VE DONE LEGAL DUMPING. THEY'VE DONE IMPROPER DUMPING WHERE THEY COULD, FOOD TRUCKS WOULD GET OUT THERE AND DUMP THEIR GREASE ONTO, YOU KNOW, THE GRASS OR THE, THE CONCRETE AND OUT GAIN. THAT'S, THAT'S CHEAP WAY TO DO IT. BUT THAT GUESS WHAT THAT MEANS? ALL THE ANIMALS ARE TO COME AND NOW POPULATE THE THAT'S HOW THEY GONNA THAT BY THESE ORDINANCES. AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO WRITE A TICKET. YEAH. OR OR THEM VIOLATE AND PROSECUTE 'EM IN MUNICIPAL COURT. WELL WE EVER IN THE PAST FED GONE AFTER PEOPLE FOR LITTER. WE, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. YEAH, NO, WE WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME BACK OUT AND CLEAN UP. YEAH, WE DO THAT. BUT NOT THE PEOPLE THAT [00:45:01] ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR UH, NO WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME BACK AND DO THAT. OKAY, GOOD. YOU LOOKED AT THE MATCH, YOU NEED TO COME BACK AND CLEAN IT UP. WE DO FEEDBACK ON THAT. YEAH. WE DO HAVE A, I MEAN OUR PAVILION, THE FACILITIES HAVE A DEPOSIT MECHANISM TOO. OKAY. SO IF THEY DON'T COME BACK AND DO THAT, THEY'RE NOT GETTING THAT DEPOSIT BACK. THE SURETY BOND IS KIND OF, IS THERE OR MORE GREATER THAN LATER, BIGGER THINGS THAT THEY'RE, THEY COULD DO DAMAGE TO. OKAY, THANK YOU. IS THERE MISS, IS THERE VERY MANY MORE SLIDES? SORRY. OH, OKAY. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GO DOWN AND TAKE A PICTURE. SEVEN. THE LAST ONE I HAVE IS, UH, THE SECTION IN HERE WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, UH, OF HOW WE CAN, UH, CANCEL A EVENT OR SHUT DOWN AND THIS IS THE, THE, UH, THE, THE JUSTIFICATION ON LOT OF THAT, WHICH I THINK MAKES SENSE. YEAH. WHAT, WHAT'S THE NEXT, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP IN THIS PROCESS? NEXT STEP IS DO THIS AND GET BACK TO YOU REVIEW US AND GIVES FEEDBACK. AND IF WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO DO ANOTHER SIT DOWN, WE COULD DO THAT. UM, AND THEN ONCE WE KINDA IRON OUT THE FINALS, WE OBVIOUSLY BRING IT BACK BECAUSE IT DID AN ORDINANCE CHANGE AND THEN BRING BACK , MAKE THAT . I JUST QUITE TO APPENDIX A THE FEES, ARE WE GONNA SEE THAT AND HELPING WITH THAT? OR Y'ALL JUST GONNA, WE COULD GET YOU A COPY OF THAT. THANK YOU. AND WE CAN, IF THE DIRECTION FROM THIS BODY IS TO MAKE THOSE EXTERNAL EVENT HOLDERS COVER SOME OF THOSE COSTS, WE CAN LOOK AT ADDING THAT INTO THE FEE SCHEDULE AS WELL AS EXACTLY MY POINT. THE BARRICADES AND STUFF LIKE THAT TOO. SO I THINK IT'LL ALL BE ON EXTERNAL AND WE HAVE THE OPTION IN OUR BUDGET PROCESS TO GO, LOOK, YOU'VE DONE THE EVENT LAST YEAR. COUNCIL CAN ALWAYS OUT, WE CAN HAVE A BUDGET THAT SAYS IF WE HAVE $50,000 FOR EVENTS, WE DON'T KNOW WHATEVER COMES UP. AND THEN WE, WE, THE CITY MANAGER'S INPUT, YOU CAN DECIDE. BUT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THOSE ONE BARRICADE JAKE THAT'LL COST $8,000 TO CUT OUT. BUT I THINK, I THINK WE, WE GET TO THAT POINT, BUT I THINK THEN WE AT LEAST KNOW AS A CITY, LIKE HOW MUCH DO WE SPEND ON EVENTS. WE SAY WE SPEND 500,000 BUT MAYBE WE'RE SPENDING 1.2 MILLION BECAUSE ALL THE OVERTIME, ALL THE OTHER THINGS GOING. ONCE WE HAVE A TRUE ACCOUNTING, THEN I THINK LIKE A BUSINESS THEN YOU CAN SAY, OKAY, WE WANNA SUPPORT THESE 10 THINGS AND THIS ONE HERE, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO HAVE THIS EVENT. THIS THE CITY COUNCIL'S NOT GONNA SUPPORT IT. YOU HAVE TO PAY THE FULL PRICE. YEAH. SO WE NEED A BETTER FEE INVENTORY. YEAH. ESSENTIALLY TO SAY IF YOU NEED THIS SERVICE, THIS EQUIPMENT OR THIS PERSONNEL, THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD COST. IT'S GONNA BE A BIG, LET'S SAY IT COULD BE A BIG TRUMP RALLY AND IT'S LIKE WE'RE ALL LIKE, LOOK, WE DON'T WANNA BE IN THAT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU WANNA RENT IT. HERE'S WHAT IT'S GONNA COST YOU. WE THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 5,000 PEOPLE. YOU'RE GOING TO CHARGE, YOU KNOW, $25,000 'CAUSE WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE A MESS. AND SO YOU GONNA NEED ALL THIS STUFF. AND THEY GO, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU JUST DON'T WANNA DO IT THERE ANYMORE. THAT'S FINE, WE WON'T DO IT. YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, YOU, YOU HAVE THE OPTION, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA PAY FOR THAT, UM, THAT SPECIAL EVENT EXPENSE. 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THE COUNCIL, THE CITY MANAGER THINKS IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THOSE. OR WE MAY SAY, HAVE CIRCUITS. WATCH THE HIPPOS. YOU GUYS LEAVE THE ADJOURN 6 51. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.