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YOU KNOW THAT.[Planning and Zoning on May 5, 2026.]
ALL RIGHT.SO, UH, WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR TUESDAY, MAY 5TH, 2026 TO ORDER.
I HAVE COMMISSIONER DE DELAY HERE, AND COMMISSIONER SHERROD HERE AND MYSELF, CHAIR HUDSON.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYONE TO SIGN UP.
ALRIGHT, THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM 4.1, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON APRIL 7TH, 2026.
WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES IS WRITTEN.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER, VICE-CHAIR, TZ, AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DE DELAY.
ANY DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS ON THE MOTION? NOPE.
HEARING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR VOTE.
YEAH, WE HAVE NO CONSENT AGENDA.
SO NEXT IS 6.1 OLD BUSINESS CONSIDERATION IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON THE DURANGO FARMS PHASE ONE LOT TWO, A BLOCK, A REPL, 1.226 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF ME LANE AND 1660.
MANNY HERNANDEZ FOR THE RECORD, UH, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THIS A FEW TIMES HERE, SO I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT PRETTY BRIEF.
UM, THIS IS WITHIN THE DURANGO FARM SUBDIVISION.
UH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPL IS REALLY JUST TO CREATE A SEPARATE LOT FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT, UH, MONUMENT SIGN AND THE LANDSCAPING ASSOCIATED WITH IT AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THE SURROUNDING USES ARE PUD TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS PART OF THAT DURANGO FARMS, PUD.
IT'S JUST THAT MULTIFAMILY SEGMENT TO THE EAST.
YOU HAVE SOME OF, UH, THE LARGER LOT SINGLE FAMILY, UM, ZONING TO THE SOUTH.
YOU NOW ARE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
YOU HAVE OT THREE ZONING INTO THE WEST.
YOU HAVE THAT, UH, RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE, THE DURANGO FORMS, PUD.
SO THIS IS IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL.
I JUST ZOOMED IN FOR A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY.
LIKE I SAID, YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THIS A FEW TIMES.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IN THAT TOP RIGHT CORNER, UH, ON THE MEGA LANE AND 1660, THAT NEW LOT TWO A THAT THEY WILL BE, UH, CREATING.
AND SO SAME AS LAST TIME AFTER REVIEW OF THE REPL, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF IT AS PRESENTED.
UM, IT'S NOT SH SUBJECT TO THE SHOCK CLOCK BILL EITHER AS THE APPLICANT WAIVED THAT.
UM, AND YEAH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SO WHEN WE, UH, WHEN WE TABLED THIS AND SAID TO BRING IT BACK, WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME, UH, ADVICE FROM LEGAL AND I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER SHARROD, YOU HAD THE, YOU KIND OF HAD THE LEAD ON THAT.
YOU WERE THE ONE THAT SAID, HEY, DO WE NEED, WHAT DO WE NEED FROM LEGAL? WELL, I WANTED TO KNOW WHEN THIS WAS PLOTTED.
WAS IT, UH, CLEAR ON THE PLA THAT THAT LOT WOULD BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA? BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GIVE IT TO THE HOA RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE DEVELOPER OR WHOEVER OWNS THE PROPERTY NOW SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING ANY MAINTENANCE REPAIRS THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THERE BEFORE PASSING IT OVER TO THE HOA.
THEY DON'T, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE COST OF HAVING REPAIRS DONE TO SOMETHING THAT WAS EXISTING BEFORE THEY RECEIVED IT.
AND WHILE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GERMANE TO THIS, I KNOW THAT IT HAS BEEN FLOATED IN THE PAST ON THIS PARTICULAR, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT ABOUT RESIDENTS MOVING FENCES, THE POSSIBILITY OF RESIDENTS MOVING FENCES.
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AND AGAIN, LIKE, LIKE THIS MONUMENT SIGN, I QUESTION WHO'S PAYING FOR THAT.YOU KNOW, IS THAT ON THE HOMEOWNERS, THE HOA, IS IT ON THE DEVELOPER? IS IT ON THE CITY? RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, TURNING THAT OVER TO A CITY, DRAINAGE EASEMENT IS A BURDEN ON THE CITY.
YOU KNOW, THAT THAT MAKES THE CITY RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
I I DON'T LIVE THERE AND NOW I HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
HOLD ON,
MY, MY QUESTION IS, I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GOING TO GET WITH LEGAL TO GET LEGAL TO GIVE US AN OPINION.
IT IS THAT FROM LEGAL? I COULDN'T, I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT HE WAS SAYING.
THAT SAYS IT IS, UH, HOAS WELL, LEGAL IS ON THE MEETING IF WE WANNA ASK THEM.
CAN WE THAT'S THE WAY IT IS AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.
DO I DO WANNA BRING HER IN? DEBORAH? CAN, CAN YOU HEAR US? AND CAN WE HEAR YOU? I CAN HEAR YOU, MY LORD.
SO I, I DISCUSSED, UM, THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP WITH DOTTIE PALUMBO AND, AND ONE OF THE LADIES I'VE FORGOTTEN WHICH ONE, MAYBE MO SENT A LONG EMAIL TO DOTTIE AND BASICALLY ASKING FOR HER LEGAL OPINION ON SEVERAL THINGS REGARDING THE DEVELOPER.
AND THAT'S JUST, THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE.
WE DON'T REPRESENT THE HOA OR ANY OF THE RESIDENTS.
WE JUST CAN'T GIVE LEGAL ADVICE TO THEM.
AND THAT WAS THE ANSWER THAT WE SENT TO MO.
UM, AS FAR AS WHAT THE ORIGINAL PLAT SAID, I THINK MANNY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION LAST TIME.
WHAT IS THE QUESTION? YEAH, WHAT, I'M SORRY, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PLAT LANGUAGE? YEAH, WHAT THAT PARTICULAR LOT THAT, THAT IS GOING TO BE NEW LOT TWO A, UM, WAS IT TO BE OPEN SPACE? AND DID THE PLAT SAY WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THAT OPEN SPACE? IT'S IN THE NOTE.
AND THAT WAS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT PLAT NOTES.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING OR OR CONFUSION AS TO WHO ACTUALLY OWNED IT, BECAUSE I BELIEVE YOU READ FROM THE PLAT AND IT DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, FROM, FROM WHAT I CAN REMEMBER, IT DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY IT WAS THE A'S PRO, UH, RESPONSIBILITY, NOR DID IT SAY IT WAS THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY FROM I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT IT SAID.
AND THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE TABLED IT TO, TO GET A LEGAL OPINION ON IT.
SO IN, IN THE VEIN OF THAT QUESTION, I'M GOING TO ASK LEGAL, IS IT THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO APPROVE OR DENY THIS MINISTERIAL FUNCTION BASED ON THE PROPOSED OWNERSHIP OF THE NEWLY CREATED LOT? NO, IT IS NOT.
THE ONLY QUESTION THAT YOU MIGHT STILL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IS WHO ACTUALLY OWNS THE LAND AND WHO IS APPLYING FOR THE REPL.
AND THAT THAT'S LOCATED IN THE, THE SIGNATURE BLOCKS ON, IF IT'S NOT THE COVER SHEET, IT'D BE THE LAST SHEET I WOULD EXPECT.
UH, IT IS, IT IS MINISTERIAL SO LONG AS IT, UM, COMPLIES WITH ALL THE BREGS.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE, THE, FROM THE STAFF POSITION, WE'VE GONE THROUGH EVERYTHING IN OUR CODE AND IT MEETS THE LETTER OF OUR CODE.
AND MY QUESTION TO HER THAT RELATED TO YOUR QUESTION TO US, WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS A QUESTION YOU CAN ASK, DOES IT ALLOW YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPROVE OR REJECT WITH PLATS? IT'S PRETTY THIN.
I MEAN, IF, IF, IF IT'S, IF IT'S CODE COMPLIANT, THE STATE SAYS THAT IT HAS TO COME TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'RE JUST CONFIRMING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE STAFF HAS ALREADY RESEARCHED FOR YOU.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A DOG IN THAT HUNT, ESSENTIALLY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WHERE, WHERE IT GOES AFTER IT'S CREATED.
WELL, I, I GUESS KIND OF WHERE I'M LOOKING AT IT IS IF THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO SUBDIVIDE
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THEIR PROPERTY AND THEN CONVEY OWNERSHIP TO SOMEONE ELSE WITHOUT THEIR APPROVAL, IS THAT LEGAL? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A MIC FOR YOU, BUT, UH, MY NAME IS WIFE HENDERSON.
WE'RE WE, THIS IS THIS, I MEAN, I THINK WHAT, WHAT THE ATTORNEY SAID IS EXACTLY RIGHT.
I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT WITH IT.
I CAN GIVE IT TO ANYONE I WANT TO, I CAN DEED IT, I CAN SELL IT, I CAN DO WHATEVER.
SO THE PURVIEW OF THIS BOARD, I BELIEVE IS TO APPROVE IT.
ARE THERE ANY VARIANCES? I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANY VARIANCES, AND I'M NOT EVEN ASKING ANYONE HERE WHETHER I CAN, WHETHER YOU GUYS ARE ASSUMING I'M GONNA GIVE IT TO SOMEONE IN MY APPLICATION.
I'M, I'M ONLY ASKING TO HAVE THIS PLAT APPROVED.
WHAT WE DO AFTER THAT IS REALLY OUR BUSINESS.
AND SO THE OTHER THING IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA, WE TURNED IT OVER TO THE HOMEOWNER CONTROL, IT WAS DONE IMPROPERLY.
I'M NOW THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA AGAIN.
AND SO I CAN TELL YOU, AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA, TWO YEARS AGO, THE HOA HAS ALREADY BEEN MAINTAINING THIS PROPERTY OKAY.
AND ANYONE SAYS THAT, THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN, I MEAN, WE, WE CAN SHOW YOU ALL THE RECORDS, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S IRRELEVANT YEAH.
TO THIS, TO, TO, TO THIS BOARD.
I MEAN, ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS SUBDIVIDE A PROPERTY.
IF WE DON'T DO IT, WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO INITIALLY, WE'RE GONNA DO IT ON THE EASEMENT.
AND THEN AFTER THEY LOOKED AT IT, WE HAD A BUYER THAT WAS LOOKING AT IT, THEY DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO HAVE THIS PROP, THIS THE, UH, ENTRY MONUMENT ON THE PROPERTY THEY WERE GONNA BUY.
SO WE THAT, SO THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT IMPLEMENTED, INSTEAD OF DOING AN EASEMENT TO THE HOA, WE'RE ACTUALLY PROBABLY GONNA END UP DOING A, A DEED TO THE HOA IF THE OA ENDS UP NOT WANTING IT, WE CAN KNOCK, WE CAN KNOCK THE MONUMENT DOWN, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA OWN IT IN PERPETUITY.
I MEAN, YOU GUYS CAN DRIVE ALL AROUND HUDDLE AND THERE'S ENTRY MONUMENTS TO ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE.
AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF RIGAMAROLE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPER ACCOUNTABILITY AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, WHICH I THINK IS SILLY.
THE HOA HAS BEEN MAINTAINING THIS FOR TWO YEARS.
AND SO WE'RE NOT PUTTING ANY MORE BURDEN ON THE HOA THAN THEY ALREADY HAD.
ALL IT IS, IS AN OWNERSHIP THING.
AND THE THING ON THE TAXES, THE TAXES MIGHT BE $10 A YEAR IMMATERIAL.
AND FROM THIS BOARD'S PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY AND HOW IT IS GOING TO BE AFFECTED TOMORROW OR NEXT WEEK.
WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IN PERPETUITY.
IF IT IS CHANGING OWNERSHIP AND THEY COME IN AND APPLY FOR A CHANGE OF ZONING BECAUSE IT IS BEING CONVEYED TO A DIFFERENT OWNER.
BUT WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO ASK THE QUESTION OF IS IT STAYING UNDER THAT SAME OWNERSHIP? IS IT BEING CONVEYED TO SOMEONE ELSE WHO'S GOING TO THEN COME IN AND APPLY TO PUT JUST, JUST AN EXTREME EXAMPLE.
APPLY TO PUT A DATA CENTER ON THERE, WHICH I KNOW IT'S RIDICULOUS, BUT THIS, THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF ON THIS BOARD.
BUT, BUT I, I BELIEVE THE ATTORNEY CASSETTE THAT IT'S NOT THE BOARD'S PURVIEW.
AND KEEP TO ASIDE, AND, AND IT'S A, IT'S AN INCREDIBLY SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I INCREDIBLY SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I, AND SO, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW, I, LIKE I SAID, I'M DOWN HERE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DID, HOW DO WE, I MEAN, WE, HE'S RIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WEIGH, YOU KNOW, HOUSE BILL, YOU KNOW, HOUSE BILL 31 67 MM-HMM
I MEAN, IF WE GET DENIED, ALL WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA WAIVE HOUSE BILL 31 67.
IN 30 DAYS, IT'LL BE DEEMED TO PROVE MM-HMM
AND UP UNTIL 15 MINUTES, WELL, 10 MINUTES AGO, WE DIDN'T HAVE A LEGAL OPINION SAYING, SO LAST WEEK OR LAST MONTH, SORRY, LAST MEETING.
WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT LEGAL GUIDANCE.
YOU HEARD IT WHEN WE HEARD IT.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO REACT TO IT.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.
I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER.
MR. ANDERSON, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO EVERYONE IN HERE IS ON THE SAME PAGE.
AND THE H THE HOA SIGN THAT IS ON THE PROPERTY IS BEING MAINTAINED BY THE HOA, BUT THEY HAVE TO COME ONTO YOUR PROPERTY TO
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MAINTAIN THE SIGN, CORRECT? CORRECT.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, I, I HAVE NONE.
AND SO LEGALLY, IF HE WANTED TO TEAR THAT SIGN DOWN, HE CAN, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT'S HIS PROPERTY.
IT'S EXACTLY, IT'S HIS PROPERTY, HIS SIGN.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY REQUIREMENT FOR A MONUMENT SIGN.
MY NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T HAVE ONE.
BUT, UM, SO ACCORDING TO THE LEGAL ADVICE OPINION THAT WE RECEIVED, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS OTHER THAN PROVEN OTHER THAN APPROVE IT.
IF IT MEETS THE STANDARDS OF PLATTING, IT DOES MEET THE STANDARDS OF PLANNING.
SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? NOPE.
WELL, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 6.1.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 6.1 AS WRITTEN.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SHERROD.
I SECOND COMMISSIONER DE DELAY WILL SECOND WHAT THIS GONNA GETTING READY TO DO? ALL RIGHT.
AND IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT.
HEARING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR VOTE.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE LEGAL ADVICE.
THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE MISSING.
NEXT IS 6.2 PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE HU HUDDLE RESIDENTIAL SLASH RESIDENCE INN PUD APPLICATION.
AND AS USUAL, WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS, AT LEAST THE WAY WE DO IT HERE, WE WILL HAVE ANY PRESENTATION.
THEN WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
HELLO, ONCE AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS MANNING HEARINGS FOR THE RECORD.
UH, SO THIS PROPOSAL IS TO REZONE A ROUGHLY THREE ACRE TRACT OF LAND.
IT'S LOCATED INTERNALLY WITHIN, UH, HANSEN'S CORNER EDITION.
SO IT IS OVER THERE BEHIND THE TACO CASA TROPICAL SMOOTHIE.
UM, JUST SOUTH OF THE, I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S A DISCOVERY CHURCH, I BELIEVE.
UM, SO IT'S JUST SOUTH OF THAT.
IT'S A VACANT LAND AT THIS MOMENT.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL, ALSO KNOWN AS B TWO.
UM, THIS IS A SETTING FOR A WIDE RANGE OF, UH, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT RANGING FROM YOUR DENTIST OFFICE TO YOUR, YOU KNOW, FAST FOOD RESTAURANT.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO ESTABLISH A PUD HERE ON THE SLOT.
UH, IT'LL BE KNOWN, UM, AS HU RESIDENTIAL PUD.
UM, THAT'S HOW IT'S TITLED ON THEIR SUBMISSION.
SO I HAVE A MAP HERE FOR YOU GUYS, A ZONING MAP KIND OF SHOWING, UH, PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT FOR YOU AND SHOWING THE CURRENT ZONING.
THAT STAR IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UH, I KNOW THE LINES ARE A LITTLE BIT FAINT, BUT IT IS, THERE IS A TWO LOTS TO THE LEFT OF IT THAT, UH, ETJ LOT TO THE NORTH.
THAT IS THE, UM, HU DISCOVERY CHURCH TO THE EAST.
YOU HAVE A VACANT PUD, UM, TO THE SOUTHEAST.
YOU HAVE THE HOME DEPOT, PUD TO THE SOUTH.
THAT'S THE FUTURE HOME OF, UH, CRUNCH.
UM, AND TO THE WEST, YOU HAVE THE, UH, CHIPOTLE TROPICAL SMOOTHIE THAT I WAS MENTIONING EARLIER.
UM, SO ATTACHED IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, KIND OF THE LAYOUT OF THE BUILDING.
UH, IT IS INTENDED TO BE FOUR STORIES.
UM, BUT YEAH, THIS JUST KIND OF PROVIDES A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT SO YOU CAN KIND OF IMAGINE, UM, WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE.
SO THE, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ESTABLISH A PUD.
UH, THAT PUD REQUEST WOULD, UM, ENABLE THEM TO EXCEED THE, UH, MAX, THE CURRENT EXISTING MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT TO A TOTAL OF 55 FEET, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THOSE FOUR STORIES.
THEY'RE ALSO REQUESTING A REDUCTION IN THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FROM THE 1.2 PARKING SPACES PER GUEST ROOM TO 0.9 PARKING SPACES PER GUEST ROOM.
UM, IN ADDITION TO NO PARKING SPACES FOR THEIR COMMON AREAS SUCH AS A CONFERENCE ROOMS OR, UM, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
UM, THE APPLICANT STATES THAT THIS IS BASED ON THEIR CURRENT DEMANDS AT OTHER SIMILAR, UH, PROJECTS.
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ALSO LOOKING TO PROVIDE, UH, NO WINDOWS ON, UH, THE UPPER LEVEL LEVELS OF THE NORTHBOUND FACING, UH, WALL TO LIMIT ANY PRIVACY CONCERNS WITH, UH, ADJACENT PROPERTIES.UM, SO HERE I HAVE A PICTURE FOR YOU GUYS OF THIS SITE AT THIS MOMENT.
UM, IT'S KIND OF A VACANT FIELD RIGHT NOW, SOUTH.
YOU CAN SEE IN THAT TOP LEFT CORNER THAT'S THAT, UH, DISCOVERY CHURCH THAT I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER.
UM, SO STAFF FINDS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS REQUEST IS NOT REALLY FOR, UM, ANY COMBINATION OF ZONINGS OR, UM, UNIQUE, UH, LOT SIZES, DIMENSIONS, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS MORE SO, UM, UH, QUESTION OF, UH, THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THESE TWO, TWO VARIANCE REQUESTS.
THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR YOU GUYS.
SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER.
AND YOU HAVE SOMEBODY REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT HERE FOR YOU AS WELL.
SO THIS DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:23 PM IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? HI, I GUESS WE BOTH DO
UM, I REPRESENT
I ALSO VOLUNTEER HERE ON FRIDAY, SO I RECOGNIZE LUCKY.
BUT, UH, COULD, CAN I GET, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU, YOUR NAME? PARDON? CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? MY NAME IS STELLA ROBERTS.
UM, HOW WAS THE TRAFFIC POINT FLOW? THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UM, WAS NOT MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION, AND I'VE LOOKED AT ALL 36 PAGES OF THIS.
SO HOW WOULD THAT WORK? SO THEIR CURRENT LAYOUT, THE WAY IT SHOWS IT, UH, THERE WOULD BE NO DRIVES TO THE NORTH.
THE ENTRY POINT WOULD BE THROUGH THE EXISTING DRIVES INTO THE HANSEN'S CORNER AS EXISTS TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF MY, MY MOUSE ISN'T GONNA SHOW UP THERE, BUT, UH, HERE WE GO.
THIS LASER IS NOT WORKING EITHER.
SO THIS, THIS IS ONE DRIVE, RIGHT? THERE'S A SHARED, AND THEN THERE'S THE OTHER DRIVE UP AT THE TOP.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT GOES RIGHT PAST TACO CASA.
I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY MESSING WITH MY SCREEN A CURB.
THAT, UM, IS ON THAT DRIVEWAY.
AND THAT WAS SOMETHING OF CONCERN WITH JUST, AND IT MAY NOT BE A CONCERN, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I WAS ASKED TO REPORT BACK, WAS THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC FLOW IN AND OUT OF THE AREA.
UH, ESSENTIALLY IT, THERE WOULD BE NO NEW ENTRANCES.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I'M PROVIDING, FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN.
BUT, UH, OF COURSE, UH, SO, UH, GOOD, GOOD EVENING.
UH, CHRIS NICHOLS HERE, UH, WITH BRADY HAMILTON AND I REPRESENT, UH, SHA, UH, SPADE'S HU LLC, AND THE, THE HU APPLICATION, UH, TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF, UH, TRAFFIC FLOW.
OUR PROJECT INTENDS TO USE ALL EXISTING SHARED ACCESS DRIVES.
THERE'S NO NEW CURB CUTS, THERE'S NO NEW TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
AND SO WE REALLY AREN'T SEEKING TO TRY TO IMPACT OR, UM, BURDEN ANY OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
UM, AND THEN IF I ALSO MAY ADDRESS THE ISSUE IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IS ELIMINATE WINDOWS IN THE TOP WINDOWS.
SO THERE'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS OVERLOOKING RIGHT.
THAT REALLY WAS MY MAIN QUESTION.
UM, AND OF COURSE, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR COMMISSION, BUT FLOWING OUT ONTO ED SCHMIDT MEAN WE ALL RECOGNIZE THIS GROWTH COURSE, HOW THAT BECOMES A BURDEN.
UM, AND SO THAT'S NOT UNDER YOUR PURVIEW, BUT IT'S A CONCERN.
UH, WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I'LL JUST, IF
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I COULD SAY JUST A FEW MORE WORDS, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.UM, THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THIS.
UH, TONIGHT I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE A SUMMARY OF, OF, OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IN OUR DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS A RELATIVELY SMALL SITE, AND SO, UM, THE, THE TYPE OF, UH, HOTEL AND THE AMENITIES AND, UH, THE QUALITY IS A, A LITTLE BIT COMPRESSED, WHICH IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE 10 FOOT VARIANCE ON THE ELEVATION, WHICH IS ABOUT PROBABLY THE FLOOR TO CEILING HEIGHT OF THIS ROOM, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE OR LESS.
SO JUST TO GIVE SOME PERSPECTIVE, UM, ON THE PARKING ISSUE, OUR MEETING SPACE IS INTENDED TO BE USED BY GUESTS.
IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE HOSTING CONVENTIONS OR BRINGING IN, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE MEETINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S REALLY INTENDED TO BE A DEDICATED, UH, GUEST ON SITE, UH, MEETING SPACE.
AND SO THAT'S PART OF OUR REQUEST FOR, UH, THE REDUCED PARKING FROM 1.2 TO 0.9.
UM, MY CLIENT DOES A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT, UH, ACROSS THE STATE.
UH, WE'VE GOT TWO OR THREE, UH, GOING UP IN THE LAKE TRAVIS AREA, THE STATE BRIDGE SUITES, UH, LIKE BR BY HILTON, UM, AND ONE OTHER ONE.
AND JUST, YOU KNOW, BASED ON ALL OF OUR, UM, PRODUCTS AND DEVELOPMENT EXPERIENCE, WE'RE SEEING THAT THERE IS A LOWER NEED FOR PARKING JUST BECAUSE OF THE RIDE SHARE ACTIVITY.
AND SO WE INCLUDED IN OUR APPLICATION SOME STUDIES THAT WE, UM, SOURCED AND PROVIDED IF THERE WAS INTEREST IN, IN READING THAT.
UM, AND I'M, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE ABOUT ANYTHING REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? OH, CERTAINLY.
WHAT IS THE PROPOSED OCCUPANCY? UH, IT'S 113 ROOMS. OKAY.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:29 PM AND OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION FROM THE DAIS.
I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS.
UM, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY UBER OR LYFT FROM AIRPORT OR WHATEVER IF THEY COME INTO A HOTEL ROOM.
SO, AND I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OVERFLOW PARKING WHERE THE, UM, HOME DEPOT IS AND THE OTHER BUSINESSES TO SUPPORT THIS.
SO, AND AS FAR AS THE PARKING GOES, MY ISSUE WITH THE PARKING MM-HMM
IS IF THERE ARE GUESTS OR ATTENDEES IN THE CONFERENCE SPACE WHO AREN'T UBERING MM-HMM
UM, I'M THINKING SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING THEIR OWN VEHICLES.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE PARKING ALL THROUGH THERE AND ANY OVERFLOW IS GOING TO GO ONTO PARKING LOTS THAT ARE OWNED BY OTHER PEOPLE.
SO YOU'RE GETTING PARKING ON OTHER PEOPLE'S LAND, IF I MAY.
UM, SO TO THAT POINT, UH, AND I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, WE ARE IN ACTIVE DISCUSSIONS WITH HOME DEPOT TO, UH, DO HOME TO TO DO SHARED PARKING AGREEMENTS, UM, ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S PROBABLY 10 SPACES THAT ARE TYPICALLY ROUGHLY IN PLAY, TYPICALLY OCCUPIED BY THE BIG RIGS.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE EXPLORING THAT AND HAVE HAD SOME VERY PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT OKAY.
NUMBER OF SPACES THAT, THAT, THAT'S MY CONCERN BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, THE CHIPOTLE, UH, TACO CASA MM-HMM
THEY PAID FOR THAT PARKING LOT.
AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THEY WOULD BE OKAY WITHOUT AN AGREEMENT WITH OVERFLOW JUST ENDING UP IN THEIR LOT.
AND, AND WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND NOT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF, UM, RESPA IS STRONG WORD, BUT THE RIGHT THINGS TO MAKE SURE'S AT PARKING LOT.
I I THAT QUESTION, HOW TALL IS THE PARKING GARAGE? HOW TALL IS THE PARKING GARAGE? IS THAT 55 FOOT? I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS.
AND I BELIEVE THE FOUR STORY ACROSS ED SCHMIDT, WHEN WE APPROVED THAT, THE NEW HOTEL, THE NEW HOTEL, THE NEW HOTEL, I BELIEVE THAT IS 48.
WHICH FOR FOUR STORIES, YOU'RE, THAT'S WHAT IS
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THE PROPERTY NORTH OF THIS SITE? IS THAT AUTO DISCOVERY CHURCH? IS THAT DISCOVERY CHURCH? YES.DO YOU PLAN ON PUTTING A PRIVACY FENCE OR SOME TYPE OF FENCING ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE? I THOUGHT I SEEN SOMETHING IN HERE ABOUT THAT.
WHAT? I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMETHING IN, IN THE, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING I, UNLESS I'M OVERLOOKING IT.
THERE IS, UM, THERE'S CERTAINLY LANDSCAPE BUFFERING THAT'S PLANNED.
UM, I'M VERY CONFIDENT IN THAT IF THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, LOOK, WE'D LIKE YOU TO PUT A PRIVACY DECK OUT OF A CERTAIN TYPE OR HEIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW,
AND NOW I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT FROM, FROM THERE, THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE OF THE DEVELOPMENT SITE.
SO WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW TO THE CLOSEST PART OF THE BUILDING OF THE, THE METHODIST CHURCH? IT'S 350 FEET.
FROM THE PRO, FROM THEIR PROPERTY LINE TO THE OTHER BUILDING.
SO IF YOU ADD IN THAT LITTLE PARKING AREA, YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY CLOSE TO 400 FEET STRUCTURE TO STRUCTURE.
I, I I WAS
AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAUGHT THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, OUR PURVIEW OH, AS WE DISCUSSED, IS I JUST THROWING IT UP? YEP.
WE, WE LOOK, WE LOOK A LONG RANGE UP HERE.
SO YOU WANT TO GO UP 10 FEET HIGHER THAN STANDARD AND YOU WANT TO REDUCE THE PARKING, PARKING NUMBER OF PARKING? WELL, I AM, I'M A LITTLE HESITANT BECAUSE OF THE APPROPRIATENESS OF IT.
UH, I HAVE SERVED ON ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND THESE TWO ITEMS FOR A PARKING REDUCTION MM-HMM
AND FOR A HEIGHT VARIANCE, THOSE ARE BOTH VARIANCES.
THAT SHOULD GO BEFORE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND WE COULD APPROVE THE PUD.
UM, THAT IS WITHIN OUR PURVIEW.
I LOOK AT THE PUD AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ASIDE FROM THOSE TWO VARIANCES, WHICH ARE ZBA ITEMS, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WOULD DICTATE THE NEED FOR A PUD.
SO I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT THIS LIKE, WHY ARE WE EVEN SEEING THIS
BUT, UM, THIS WAS BASED ON PRIOR CONVERSATIONS HOWARD AND I HAVE HAD WITH THE APPLICANT.
THIS WAS A CONVERSATION THAT STARTED, UM, WELL BEFORE HOWARD ARRIVED.
UM, AND BEFORE I STEPPED INTO THE KIND OF ROLE THAT I'M IN NOW.
SO AS FAR AS TO WHY EXACTLY THEY WERE TOLD TO GO WITH A PUT, I'M NOT SURE, BUT THIS IS WHERE, WHERE WE WERE AND WE'RE JUST MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS.
SO, SO HOW MANY PARKING PLACES ARE PLANNED? UH, WE HAVE, I COULD SIT HERE AND COUNT 'EM, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO NO, NO, NO.
I'VE GOT THAT INFORMATION SHOULD BE, SO 113 ROOMS, UH, WE PLAN ON HAVING A TOTAL OF 106 PARKING SPACES.
IF WE CAN GET THE ADDITIONAL 10, THAT WAS ENOUGH.
UH, QUESTION THE PLAN THAT HAS SHOWN UP THERE, IS THAT MINUS THE PARKING SPACES YOU REQUEST IN? NO, THAT SHOWS 106 PARKING SPACES, WHICH IS REQUIRED.
THE NUMBER THAT IS REQUIRED IS THE CITY'S CODE IS 1.2 TIMES 113 WOULD BE 135.6.
THE SITE PLAN THAT SHOWN THERE SHOWS 106, WHICH IS THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE, WHICH IS THE AMOUNT REQUESTING
SO REGARDING THE PARKING, UH, LOOKING AT THIS PLAN, WE'VE GOT THE GREEN AREA.
WE ARE MAXED OUT ON OUR IMPERVIOUS COVER.
SO YEAH, THAT'S, IF, IF, IF YOU CAN ANSWER AS TO WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS WHEN IT REALLY, IN MY OPINION, ISN'T A PUD
SO WE BEGAN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY IN DECEMBER OF 2024.
AND WE PRESENTED ALL OF OUR ISSUES, WHICH WAS PRIMARILY THE HEIGHT ISSUE
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AND WHICH HEIGHT IS A ZONING, UH, RESTRICTION.BUT I UNDERSTAND THE VARIOUS COMPONENT OF THAT.
AND, UM, THROUGH THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PRIOR STAFF, WE WERE INSTRUCTED THAT YOU NEEDED DO A PUTT.
PUT ALL THAT WORK TOWARD THAT IN PRESENTING AND, AND DEVELOPING THE PUTT THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY.
UM, VERY WELL AWARE OF, OF THE SCOPE AND, YOU KNOW, PURPOSE OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE, WE WERE TOLD WE HAD TO BE HERE.
THE CONCEPT, MY QUESTION IS FOR MR. KUNS, UM, WITH THE HOTEL GOING THERE AND THE CURRENT ZONING IN B TWO, CAN THIS HOTEL GO ON THIS SITE AS IT IS PRESENTED? AS PRESENTED? NO.
WHY? BECAUSE IT'S TOO TALL AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES.
THE VARIANCE FOR THE HEIGHT REQUIRE FOR THE HEIGHTS THAT THEY'RE REQUIRING, THEY NEED TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
PERHAPS IT, THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE AS THE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR.
BUT PER THE LETTER OF THE UDC CONCURRENT VARIANCES ARE ACCEPTABLE WITHIN PUD ZONING.
THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE HALLMARKS, ONE OF THE TENANTS OF THE PUD IS THAT YOU CAN, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, YOU CAN DRAW YOUR PROJECT WHETHER IN WORDS OR RENDERING.
AND IF IT IS AGREED UPON BY THE APPLICANTS, THE STAFF, AND ULTIMATELY THE CITY COUNCIL, THAT THE PROJECT AS DRAWN, AGAIN IN WORDS OR RENDERING, IF IT'S ACCEPTABLE THROUGH ALL THE PARTIES, THEN IT CAN BE APPROVED AND, AND BE LAWFUL.
BUT AS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE, THE PUD, THE SPIRIT OF THE PUD IS FOR, UH, INNOVATION AND FLEXIBILITY OF DESIGN OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
IT'S, IT'S FOR PROJECTS THAT I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE OUTSTANDING FOR SOME REASON, UM, THAT DOESN'T FIT WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE SPECIFIC AND QUITE FRANKLY, PRESCRIPTIVE TEXT WE HAVE IN THE UDC.
SO IF YOU HAD SOMETHING THAT WAS PARTICULARLY CREATIVE, UH, THAT YOU WANTED TO BRING FORWARD, THEN YOU WOULD DO SO AS UNDER THE TERMS OF A PUD, WHETHER IT'S FOR USES OR BULK STANDARDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, SO I'M GUESSING THE REASON YOU ARE HERE THEN, OR YOU WERE TOLD TO COME HERE, SO YOU COULD GET A PUD APPROVED BEFORE YOU COULD GO TO ZBA FOR VARIANCES.
THERE WILL BE NO NEED TO GO TO ZBA FOR VARIANCE IF IF APPROVED.
SO WE ARE GOING TO APPROVE HIS VARIANCE FOR HEIGHT RESTRICTION.
YOU WOULD BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THEIR REQUESTS FOR VARIANCES.
THE UNDERLYING ZONING IS ACCEPTABLE EITHER WAY WITH OR WITHOUT THE PUD, THE UNDERLYING ZONING ALLOWS FOR A HOTEL.
AND IF WE, IF WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THESE VARIANCES, THEN WE ARE ESSENTIALLY TAKING THAT OFF OF ZBA A'S PLATE.
SO, UM, I'M NOT ESPECIALLY COMFORTABLE DOING THAT, BUT I'M ALSO NOT ESPECIALLY COMFORTABLE SENDING, SENDING HIM TO ANOTHER MEETING TO GET APPROVAL.
SO, UH, MAYBE THERE IS A COMPROMISE THAT COULD BE HAD HERE.
UM, BEING THAT THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY IS TOO SMALL FOR THE PARKING AND THE HOTEL, WHAT IF THE NUMBER OF ROOMS WERE REDUCED? POSSIBLY, I'M JUST GONNA SAY IT POSSIBLY BY REMOVING THE FOURTH FLOOR MM-HMM
NOW IT DOESN'T NEED A HEIGHT VARIANCE AND IT DOESN'T NEED A PARKING VARIANCE.
SO, UM, REMOVAL OF THE FOURTH FLOOR AND THE REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF ROOMS REALLY MAKES THE, UH, MAKES THE PROJECT NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE.
AND THE ULTIMATE RESULT, WOULD YOU NOT BE GETTING A NICE MARRIOTT RESIDENCE IN, YOU WOULD BE GETTING SOMETHING ELSE.
AND, UH, MY, YOU KNOW, CLIENT SPECIALIZES IN DOING MORE HIGH-END, UPSCALE NICE, UM, HOTEL, UH, PROJECTS AND PROPERTIES.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA JUST PUT ANYTHING THERE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS
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I UNDERSTAND.YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS DOESN'T FIT MAYBE SOMETHING SMALLER WILL, BUT UNDERSTOOD.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THIS, THIS ONE'S A BIT TOUGH 'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, I REALLY DON'T WANNA SEND THE APPLICANT OUT TO ANOTHER MEETING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME YEAH.
I DON'T WANT TO UNDERCUT ZBA YEAH.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD SAY ON THE ZDA ISSUE, WHEN YOU TAKE A VARIANCE TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, THERE ARE SORT OF SPECIFIC METRICS THAT RIGHT.
ZZDA LOOKS AT IN TERMS OF WHETHER TO GRANT, UM, OR DENY MM-HMM
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE THINKING WAS OR THE DISCUSSION WAS WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROJECT AND THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO PURSUE IT AS A P BUT I SUSPECT THAT IT WAS BECAUSE ANY ISSUES THAT MIGHT COME UP THAT MIGHT HAVE NOT BEEN, BEEN IDENTIFIED IN TERMS OF NEEDING TO TWEAK THE PROJECT OR, YOU KNOW, VISUALLY DIFFERENT OR SITE PLAN OR WHAT OTHER, YOU KNOW MM-HMM
ISSUES THAT WOULD COME UP, THAT THOSE COULD ALL BE ADDRESSED UNDER THE PURVIEW OF A PUT AND DONE.
SO MAYBE MORE EFFICIENTLY, SO MM-HMM
THE, THE ZBA HAS, UH, WHAT IS IT, FIVE, YES.
IT MUST MEET THESE FIVE CRITERIA.
IF IT MEETS FOUR OF THE FIVE, THEN IT'S A REJECT.
SO WHAT IS THE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP TO THE APPLICANT IF WE DO NOT APPROVE THIS? DOES THIS MEET THE, UH, HEALTH ZONING SAFETY STANDARDS FOR CITY AND RESIDENTS? AND, UH, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE REPRESENTED THE ZBA.
I, I DON'T REMEMBER THE CRITERIA FOR THE ZBA.
IT'S BEEN A FEW MINUTES, BUT YEAH.
I, I MIGHT NOT, SHOULD NOT SAY THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO.
UM, IT IS A VERY SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY.
WE'VE GOT A VIABLE PERSON THAT WANTS TO BUILD A NEED MM-HMM
UH, I PERSONALLY HAVE NO PROBLEM NOW AFTER WHAT HE, HE JUST TOLD, TOLD ME, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS AT ALL.
UH, I JUST FEEL THAT WE NEED, WE NEED ANOTHER HOTEL.
AND THIS HOTEL IS LOCATED ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF ED SMITH COMPARED TO THE OTHER ONES.
UH, IT COULD ALSO GENERATE MORE BUSINESS FOR BUSINESS FOR THE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE IN THAT PARKING THERE.
UH, SO I GUESS I'M SAYING LET'S DON'T LOOK A GIFT HORSE IN THE MOUTH, BUT I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE, WE'VE NOT BEEN PRESENTED WITH ANYTHING EVER FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY UNTIL THIS.
AND I, I KNOW IT'S HARD TO SWALLOW.
I DON'T REALLY CARE TO GIVE VARIANCES A LOT EITHER MYSELF.
UH, I KNOW THAT THERE SEEMS LIKE THE TREND, PEOPLE IN HU DON'T WANT TALL BUILDINGS, BUT EVENTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO UP, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA RUN OUTTA ROOM.
AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, THIS, THIS IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS RELATIVELY VERY SMALL MM-HMM
I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE BEST USES FOR THE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO I I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS AT ALL.
MY ONLY, MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT NEGOTIATIONS THAT ARE OCCURRING, AND THOSE WILL SHAKE OUT HOWEVER THEY SHAKE OUT, IS THE HEIGHT.
AND IF THE HOTELS ACROSS THE STREET ARE, YOU KNOW, SEVEN TO 10 FEET SHORTER.
WELL, BUT I, I, I'LL I'LL SAY THIS, THEY COULD HAVE VERY WELL HAD ASKED FOR A 55 FOOT HEIGHT ON THOSE HOTELS TOO, AND THEY, AND THEY, THEY GOT SLAMMED DOWN.
WELL, I'M JUST SAYING, I, I WAS ON THAT AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND THE, THE VARIANCE THAT WE GAVE THAT ONE WAS FOR COVERING OF THE ELEVATOR AND ASSOCIATED MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, NOT THE FULL BUILD.
SO THEY'VE GOT, I BELIEVE, 48 FEET AND THEN THEY'VE GOT A PORTION THAT HOUSES THE ELEVATOR MACHINERY.
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GOING 55 FEET, WE CAN, WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE.BUT GOING 55 FEET, YOU KNOW, EVEN, EVEN LOOKING AT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT, NINE FEET CEILINGS MINIMUM.
I WOULD, I WISH THAT'S ONLY 36 FEET OF YEAH.
BUT YOU FIGURED THE 50, THE 55 VIEWS, YOU FIGURED THE, THE CHASE WAYS FOR ALL OF THE, UH, DUCTING AND THE ELECTRICAL AND RIGHT.
PLUMBING AND ALL THAT GOES IN THERE TOO.
SO YOU MAY BE BACKED DOWN TO AN EIGHT FOOT CEILING WITH TWO OR THREE, BUT FOR FOUR, FOUR FLOORS, EIGHT FOOT CEILING, YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT ROUGHLY, UH, SEVEN FEET OF CHASE WAY ACROSS FOUR FLOORS, NO, PER FLOOR.
THAT'S WHERE DOING THE MATH IN MY HEAD, I'M, YEAH, I'M GOING, OKAY, NINE FOOT CEILINGS, THAT'S 36 FEET.
THAT MEANS, I DON'T KNOW HOW HE'S DESIGNED IT, BUT THAT COULD BE LEADS AN ADDITIONAL 19 FEET FOR CHASE WAY.
IT COULD BE THEIR FIRST FLOORS GOT HIGHER CEILINGS.
THAT'S NOT, I'M NOT INTO THE DESIGN.
I, I DON'T, THAT'S NOT MY PROBLEM.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT AT ALL, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING NO WINDOWS ON THE NORTH SIDE TO COVER THAT HEIGHT.
THE FOURTH FLOOR, NORTH SIDE WINDOW.
THAT'S TO ME THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PERFECTLY, I'M, I'M HAPPY WITH IT.
IT IS A NICE, AND THE CHURCH IS IS WHAT, 250 FOOT AWAY FROM THE 3 3 3 PLUS 300 PLUS.
AND IF THEY, EVEN IF, IF THEY EVER EXPAND BACK THERE, IT'D STILL BE 250 FEET OR WHATEVER.
NO, I, I DEFINITELY THINK THIS IS A GOOD USE OF THAT VERY SMALL LOT.
LIKE YOU SAID, EXCUSE ME, MY HESITATION IS THE HEIGHT.
THE, MY OTHER HESITATION WOULD'VE BEEN THE PARKING.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S BEING ADDRESSED.
IT'S IN, IN PROGRESS IN THE WORKS.
HOW TALL WAS THE OTHER HOTEL? I WANT TO SAY IT'S 48 FEET, BUT IT'S BEEN, CAN YOU GET BY ON 48 FOOT? UM, THE LOWEST NUMBER I'VE HEARD OVER THE COURSE OF MY REPRESENTATION WAS 50, 50 WAS 50 FEET.
UH, BUT I ACTUALLY, I WAS JUST TEXTING MY CLIENT TO SEE IF WE COULD, WE COULD DO IT WITH 50 OR IS 55 JUST SORT OF A, LET'S ASK 55 JUST IN CASE.
UM, I, I DO KNOW THAT, LEMME FIND SAYING
I I DO KNOW THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS IN PRODUCT VERSUS LESSER BRANDS, NOT NECESSARILY NOT, YOU KNOW, LESS NICE, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, IN THE SCHEME OF, OF BRANDS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS IN THE ROOMS ARE, THEY HAVE TALLER CEILINGS AND THEY'RE SORT OF MEANT TO BE MORE OF LIKE A HOME ENVIRONMENT.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU SORT OF GET THE, THE INCREASED NEED FOR, FOR HEIGHT.
AND PART, PART OF THE REASON I'M, I KEEP GOING BACK TO THE HOTEL ACROSS THE STREET BECAUSE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US, I WANNA SAY FOUR YEARS AGO AS PROBABLY A MARRIOTT PROPERTY AND RESIDENCE INN IS A MARRIOTT PROPERTY.
SO IF IT WAS OKAY FOR MARRIOTT TO BLESS OFF ON, I BELIEVE IT WAS 48 FEET WITH THE SIX FOOT EXTENSION FOR THE MACHINERY, THEN WHY IS THIS 1 55 FOR THE SAME NUMBER OF FLOORS? IT'S A DIFFERENT PRODUCTS.
BUT IT'S STILL THE SAME CORPORATION, THE SAME OWNERSHIP.
IT'S LIKE 1% MILK AND 2% MILK
IT CAME FROM THE SAME DAIRY
I'M NOT GONNA EVEN TRY TO LAWYER MY WAY THROUGH THAT.
UM, I DO KNOW THIS MARRIOTT REQUIRES, IT'S A THREE STORY, CERTAIN BRANDS OF PRODUCTS TO BE BUILT A CERTAIN WAY MM-HMM
AND, AND A FAIR, A FAIRFIELD LOOKS DIFFERENT FROM A RESIDENCE.
LOOKS DIFFERENT FROM A COURTYARD.
I I I UNDERSTAND THE BRANDING OF, OF THIS.
ONCE AGAIN, SIGNIFICANTLY REALLY ANSWER MY QUESTION.
COULD YOU GET BY WITH 50 FOOT? I DON'T KNOW AS I STAND HERE TODAY, I DON'T KNOW THE ARCHITECTURAL ANSWER TO THAT.
WELL, I, AND CERTAINLY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL, IF, IF THEY WERE TO TAKE THIS UNDER CONSIDERATION, I MEAN BE LIKE, NO, WE DON'T LOOK AT YOU.
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SOMETHING THAT THEY JUST DON'T WANNA SEE.YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF DEVIATION, YOU KNOW, IN A HOTEL.
UM, AND AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THAT PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO GO, THINGS KIND OF GET SQUISHED.
SO THAT'S KIND OF ALSO WHY WE'RE, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO KIND OF GO VERTICAL.
YOU NORMALLY BE TRYING TO MAKE THAT FOOTPRINT WORK WITHIN LIKE THAT SIDE.
THAT PART I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
THE OTHER SETBACK ISSUES, HOW TALL IS THE, HOW TALL IS THE HOME DEPOT THERE? HOME DEPOT'S GOTTA BE 28.
28 MAYBE MINIMUM IT, THERE'S PORTIONS OF HOME DEPOT THAT, THAT ARE HIGHER.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE MACHINERY STUFF IS RIGHT.
SO BASICALLY WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE TALKING SOMETHING THAT'S TWICE AT THE HEIGHT OF THE, THE HOME DEPOT THAT'S SITTING THERE IN FRONT OF IT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, DO WE HAVE THE, THE UDC EASILY ACCESSIBLE? I HAVE IT ON MY COMPUTER, IT JUST MIGHT TAKE A MINUTE TO PULL UP.
SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? THE, DO WE HAVE THE UDC AVAILABLE? I'D, I'D LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THE HEIGHT LIMIT IS PER UDC 45.
SO B TWO IS 45, SO WE'RE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL 10 MM-HMM
I KIND OF LIKE YOUR IDEA OF 50, LIKE I THINK I COULD LIVE WITH 50, BUT IF THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO APPROVE, BUT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS 50 FEET, THE ONLY CAVEAT TO THAT WAS AT LEAST ALLOW US TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL THAT WE DID ASK ORIGINALLY 4 55 FEET AND GIVE THEM MM-HMM
SORT OF THE FINAL SAY AND SHOW, SHOW THAT THERE IS SOME NEGOTIATING SOME YEAH.
SOME COMPLIMENT I HAVE, YOU KNOW, VERY SPECIFIC ENGINEERING OR ARCHITECTURAL INFORMATION AND IT MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE, BUT I CAN'T YEAH.
DIG FIVE FOOT, LEMME SAY THIS.
DIG FIVE FOOT DEEPER DOWN ON THE GROUND.
STANDING IN THE PARKING LOT, THE NORMAL PERSON'S NOT GONNA NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 50 AND 55 FEET.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE A TALL BUILDING.
SO THAT, THAT ADDITIONAL FIVE FEET, GIVE OR TAKE, AESTHETICALLY IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO THE NORMAL PERSON WALKING DOWN THE STREET.
WELL, I'M GONNA SAY THIS, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 55 OR 50.
I JUST ASK HIM IF HE, IF, IF THEY WOULD CONSIDER 50 JUST IN CASE THERE WAS A PROBLEM UP HERE ON, ON THIS DIOCESE
THAT, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY REASON WHY I ASKED.
BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE 55 EITHER.
AND I, I, I DON'T WANT TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE, BUT I, AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, I, I LOOK AT THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET FROM MINE AND I GO, YEAH, THAT'S A ONE STORY, BUT IT'S A LOT TALLER THAN MINE.
WELL, BUT, BUT ONE THING, IT'S A LINK PITCH, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, CETERA.
THERE'S A LOT OF ELEMENTS THAT GO INTO THAT.
BUT AGAIN, AT 50 FEET AND 55 FEET, I CAN SAY THIS FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE, STANDING ON THE GROUND, THE NORMAL PERSON'S NOT GONNA NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE.
NO, THEY'RE NOT GONNA, YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT.
THEY'RE JUST GONNA LOOK AT IT AND GO, WELL THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S TALL.
AND THEY'RE REALLY TAKING, DOING ALL THE PRIVACY PRECAUTIONS I CAN.
'CAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THAT AGAIN.
THERE'S, THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A MASONRY WALL ALONG THE NORTH SIDE.
THERE'S A 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE THAT'S GONNA BE FILLED WITH TREES AND BUSHES.
I MEAN, LIKE, LIKE I SAID, MY, MY SOLE REMAINING ISSUE IS THE HEIGHT.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY ISSUE
YOU KNOW, WITH THE PARKING, YOU KNOW, I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO PUT THAT FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL'S RECOMMENDATION OR OUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL THAT THERE IS DISCUSSION GOING ON WITH NEIGHBORS REGARDING SHARED PARKING.
I JUST, THAT'S, I'M SORRY, I JUST DON'T SEE IT EVER BEING ALL 113 ROOMS BEING FILLED AT THE EXACT SAME TIME.
BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, SO JUST NOT, YEAH.
SO I DO KNOW THAT, UH, A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN THEY WERE DOING MAINTENANCE ON THE RAIL LINE OH YES.
ALL OF THE HOTELS TOWN, HOTEL TOWN WAS FULL BOOKED.
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THAT IS TRUE.YOU KNOW, EACH ONE OF THEM HAD THEIR OWN VEHICLE TO GO OUT TO THIS SITE.
THAT'S HOW, THAT'S WHY WE NEED ANOTHER HOTEL.
I'M NOT ARGUING THAT I'M SAYING YOU'RE ARGUING THE HEIGHT.
I JUST, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
I JUST DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
WE SHOULDN BE, WE SHOULDN'T BE STEPPING ON ZBA, BUT THE WHOLE REASON THIS WAS DONE WAS TO AVOID, TO AVOID GOING TO ZBA.
I, I UNDERST AND I DON'T WANNA TAKE AWAY FROM THEM EITHER, BUT YEAH, I JUST UNDERSTAND.
WELL, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, WE, I THINK WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF WHAT IS THE BEST USE FOR THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S WITH ANY PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE CITY.
I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ALOS COULD COME IN THERE AND SIT IN THERE, SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T REALLY NEED ANOTHER SLOSKY, BUT WE NEED THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT OF A, A LODGING FACILITY, A HOTEL MOTEL, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN GOING INTO A RESTAURANT.
YOU KNOW? SO, UM, PLUS THIS IS GONNA HAVE A RESTAURANT IN IT TOO, RIGHT? YES.
WILL IT HAVE A BAR?
UM, SO I, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT AT ALL, AND I, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE, THE, UH, I, I CAN'T TELL FROM THE SITE PLAN, BUT ONE THING THAT, UH, YOU'LL SEE AT ANY HOTEL MOTEL IS THE RV OR THE TRAILER, DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD PARK AN RV OR A TRAILER AT THE RESIDENCE AT
AND THAT, THAT HOME DEPOT, WELL, THEY PARK NOW, THEY PARK NOW ON THE LITTLE ROAD ALONG.
NOW SEE, THERE'S, THERE'S THAT CAR HAUL THAT'S ALWAYS PARKED IN THERE.
SO YOU'RE NOT, THERE'S NO SPACE FOR ANY OF THAT.
WE HAVE NOT DEDICATED ANY SPACE FOR THAT KIND OF PARKING.
I MEAN, WE INTEND PEOPLE TO PARK A CAR, SUV VA TRUCK, BUT WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT PEOPLE BRINGING THEIR WHEEL AND HANGING UP AND SPOTS BECAUSE THEY'RE HANGING OUT AT THE RESIDENCE END TO CLEAN UP FOR TWO NIGHTS.
UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? QUESTIONS? I'VE SAID COMMENTS.
SO I KNOW THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY CAUSES A HARDSHIP FOR YOU AS A PROPERTY OWNER.
IT IS NOT ALIGNED WITH THE CITY'S CODE.
AND THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THE CITY.
BUT I DO SEE THE NEED FOR THIS IN THE CITY.
WE NEED MORE HOTELS, AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU, WELL, THING I HAD GOING ON, SO I HAD MANY FAMILY MEMBERS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY COME IN FOR A WEDDING LAST YEAR, AND I HAD TO DRIVE TO SEVERAL HOTELS, ROUND ROCK AND PFLUGERVILLE TO PICK THEM UP,
THE, SO THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY CAUSES A HARDSHIP TO Y'ALL.
IT DOES NOT, HOWEVER, CAUSE ANY HARM TO THE PUBLIC OR SAFETY ISSUES OR TO THE PROPERTY OWNER NEXT DOOR.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT Y'ALL ARE WILLING TO PUT NO WINDOWS ON THE FOURTH FLOOR JUST FOR PRIVACY ISSUE PURPOSES FOR THE, UM, NORTH PROPERTIES.
OTHER THAN THAT, YOU'LL BE GETTING OVERFLOW PARKING ARRANGED WITH THE HOME DEPOT.
SO I'M WAITING KIND OF LIKE THIS WITH IT, BUT I DO BELIEVE WE NEED THIS, UM, SORT OF PROJECT IN THE CITY.
IF IT'S NOT HERE, THEY'RE GONNA GO TO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
UH, HOWARD, YOU HAD, YEAH, JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE WINDOW THING THAT THE APPLICATION READS, A, THE, THE PROHIBITION IS FOR GUEST ROOM WINDOWS FACING THE NORTH LOT, LINE WITHIN 120 FEET OF THAT LOT LINE.
SO IT'S NOT SIMPLY A FOURTH FLOOR BLACKOUT, RIGHT? IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT JUST THE FOURTH FLOOR.
IT'S, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN THAT'S THERE, THE, THE PROPERTY LINE IS THE TOP OF THE PAGE, RIGHT? YEAH.
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FEET OR MORE HUNDRED 20 FEET BACK IN PROPERTY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THOSE WINDOWS.SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A BLANKET PROHIBITION.
LOOK, LOOKING AT THIS ON THE FOURTH FLOOR, LOOKING AT THIS CONCEPT PLAN, SITE PLAN, THEN THE FOURTH FLOOR, THIRD FLOOR, SECOND FLOOR, LOOKING OVER THE POOL SHOULD BE JUST FINE FOR WINDOWS.
THE EXTENSION ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THAT NORTH END THEN WOULD NOT HAVE WINDOWS, RIGHT? NOR WOULD THERE BE ANY WINDOWS RIGHT ABOVE THE ENTRYWAY? RIGHT ABOVE THE ENTRY? YEAH.
THAT WOULD BE THE TWO AREAS THAT WOULD BE MM-HMM
PROHIBITION, IT'S GUEST ROOM, WINDOWS GUEST ROOM.
WELL, NO, BUT I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S ONLY THOSE WINDOWS THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO GUEST ROOMS. SO IF THERE WAS AN UPPER FLOOR BAR, HALLWAY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
NOW, UH, AS FAR AS THAT GOES, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE ANY PROBLEM WITH, UH, FIRE CODE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE ELEVATED, RIGHT? NOT THAT I'M, I'M NOT AWARE.
IT, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GONNA CRAWL OUT THE FOURTH FLOOR.
IT'LL, IT WOULD, IT'LL BE BUILT TO THE CODE STANDARDS.
WELL, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION POINTS? COMMENTS? NOPE, I'M GOOD.
THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR 6.2.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE, UH, PUD FOR THE HUDDLE RESIDENCE, UH, RESIDENTIAL RESIDENCE END WITH THE VARIANCES FOR THE HEIGHT FROM 45 FOOT TO 55 FOOT.
AND FOR THE PARKING FROM, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS, 0.9, 0.1 POINT, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE PARKING WAS, 1.2 TO 0.9.
WHATEVER THE PARKING WAS, SO BE IT.
SO I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR WORTZ AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DE DELAY.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? NO.
I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FIRST REGARDING THE PARKING.
GO AHEAD WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE PARKING NEGOTIATION STATUS IS PROVIDED TO COUNSEL.
I DON'T, I I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL.
YEAH, IT WE'RE REDUCING THE PARKING.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL TO COUNCIL.
I THINK COUNCIL DESERVES TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PARKING NEGOTIATION.
JUST FOR REFERENCE, THIS WILL GO TO THE JUNE 4TH, UH, CITY COUNCIL.
SO THE FIRST MEETING, MEETING IN JUNE.
THAT'S ROUGHLY 30 DAYS TO ISH.
YOU WANNA VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT FIRST? UH, IT'S A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
IT'S WHAT? A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, MEANING YOU'RE OKAY.
YOU'RE ADOPTING THAT INTO YOUR MOTION.
UH, I FEEL LIKE I COULD GO FOR THE AMENDMENT ON THE 50 FOOT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA GO ANYWHERE.
SO I'M JUST GONNA LEAVE THAT ONE ALONE.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY ON RECORD WITH ME BEING YES.
YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK I'M GONNA LEAVE IT ALONE.
SO ANY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.
HEARING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
NEXT UP, UH, 7.1, PROGRESS AND SCHEDULE DISCUSSION OF THE UDC REWRITE.
OH, THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT'S DIRECTED AT ME,
UM, I'M JUST ALWAYS, I ALWAYS PREFER TO ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
SO WE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE AWARE OF THE PROCESS, YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW IT'S GOING.
HOW MUCH PROGRESS ARE YOU MAKING? WAS THE SCHEDULE TOO AMBITIOUS? SHOULD WE LENGTHEN IT TO GIVE YOU MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR REVIEW AND EDITS AND RESEARCH? UM, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW,
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IF MEMORY SERVES, UM, YOU WOULD PROBABLY BE VOTING ON THE FINAL, FINAL REVIEW DRAFT AT THAT SECOND MEETING IN JUNE, WHICH IS BALLPARK ABOUT SIX, SEVEN WEEKS FROM NOW.IS SIX OR SEVEN WEEKS ENOUGH TIME FOR YOU TO GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT? NOPE.
AND I, I HAVE NO QUALMS. I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO WRITE SOMETHING DOWN.
ORIGINALLY THERE WOULD'VE BEEN AN AGENDA ITEM ON THIS THURSDAY NIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING TO SET THE SHARED MEETING THAT DID NOT MAKE IT TO THE AGENDA.
I JUST TOOK IT FOR GRANTED THAT IT DIDN'T GET ON THERE.
THAT THAT WAS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT OCCURRED AT THAT MEETING.
UH, IT WAS LATE, BUT, UH, WHEN THE UDC SUBCOMMITTEE SAID WE'D LIKE IT, UH, BY, WHAT WAS IT? MAY 7TH, 35 DAYS.
AND I SAID, WAIT, YOU GUYS TOOK 10 MONTHS AND WE GET 35 DAYS.
AND, AND THEY, AND THE MAYOR AT THAT POINT SAID, TAKE AS LONG AS YOU NEED.
IS THAT FAIR? WELL, UH, I'D, I'D LIKE TO HEAR IF ANYONE ELSE HAS MADE ANY PROGRESS.
OH, I BET WE PRINTED IT ALREADY.
CAN I PICK IT UP? I'LL COME BY FOR ONE.
IT'S HARDER TO READ IT ON THE COMPUTER.
I, I AT THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD MEETING LAST NIGHT.
AND THEY MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE DOING THIS UVC REVIEW.
AND THEY WERE, UM, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY SENDING SOMEONE TO TALK ABOUT LIKE ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES IN THE UUC.
AND I MENTIONED THAT I HAVE SPECIAL EDUCATION BACKGROUND, AND THEY WERE LIKE, OH, WELL, MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO TOO.
SO, YEAH, I WONDERED IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
THAT IS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT INCORPORATING INTO THE UDC.
UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, A, A COMMISSIONER WHO WE KNEW WASN'T GONNA BE HERE TONIGHT.
HE'S HONCHO THAT BASICALLY FOR US.
AND WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE DECIDED THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT IN THE JUNE MEETING.
IS THE MEETING, AND WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE ACCESSIBILITY AND YES.
PARKS AND LIBRARY AND DEIB AND EVERYBODY, PLEASE COME, COME TALK TO US.
AT 7:00 PM RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE SEATED RIGHT NOW.
SO YES, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE.
I SERIOUSLY, I LEARNED A LOT
SO, UM, I HAVE BEEN, I HAVE BEEN PUTTING SOME EFFORT INTO THE UDC AND I HAVE TO SAY, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA SUGARCOAT IT.
THE 2024 HAD SOME ISSUES THAT THE CONSULTANTS AND SO ON POURED OVER AND CLEANED UP A LITTLE BIT.
BUT, UM, AS FAR AS EDITING THAT BEAST GOES, WE'VE GOTTA DO BETTER.
THAT IS, IT WAS PRESENTED TO US IN A PDF FORMAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE TRIED TO EDIT A PDF, BUT THAT'S A NIGHTMARE ALL THE TIME.
SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO FROM HERE ON OUT IS IF WE'RE GONNA EDIT A DOCUMENT, WE GET A WORD DOCUMENT, WE GET SOMETHING THAT IS EASILY EDITABLE.
I SPENT TWO HOURS REFORMATTING THAT DOCUMENT JUST SO I COULD EDIT IT.
WE COULD, IF WE GET IT IN WORD WITH TRACK FORM, UH, YOU CAN TRACK TRACK CHANGES ON THERE YES.
SENT TO US SO THEY COULD SEE WHO'S CHANGING WHAT.
SECOND ITEM, UH, COUNCIL GAVE US, WHAT, SIX PDFS WITH THEIR CHANGES, AND THEY CALLED IT REDLINE.
AND I WENT THROUGH EVERY PAGE OF EVERY PDF.
SO THERE WAS NO WAY TO TELL WHAT COUNCIL CHANGED.
AND I HAVE ALSO, LIKE, HI NEW GUY, IF Y'ALL RECALL, BEEN HERE A LITTLE WHILE NOW.
UM, I LOOKED EVERYWHERE FOR A VERSION OF THAT, THAT HAD STRIKE THROUGH AND UNDERLINED RIGHT.
FOR MY OWN EDIFICATION AS WELL.
AND I'VE TURNED ON TRACK CHANGES.
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I'VE DONE EVERYTHING ON THE EDITING SIDE OF WORD YEP.NOW, THERE'S ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH A MICROSOFT WORD DOCUMENT, IS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SAVED IN ONE PLACE ON A CLOUD.
AND EVERYONE NEEDS TO ACCESS IT FROM THE SAME PLACE.
AND TRACK THEIR CHANGES AS THEY EDIT IT FROM THAT SAME PLACE, SO THAT WHEN ANY USER COMES ON LATER AND LOOKS AT IT, THEY CAN SEE THE NOTES IN THE SIDE WITH THE LITTLE, UH, INITIALS OF WHO MADE WHAT CHANGES AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE.
AND, AND I, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS DONE.
I THINK SOME, I HAVE SOME COPIES UPSTAIRS THAT ARE XEROX COPIES.
THEY'RE NOT ORIGINALS, BUT THEY'RE HANDWRITTEN NOTES ON THE SIDE.
SOME SOMEBODY WAS EDITING IT BY HAND BY HAND.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS PRESENTED.
SO THAT THAT'S WHAT, THIS ISN'T THE, THIS ISN'T THE LAST TIME WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH A UDC THAT IS TRUE.
OR GO THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR ANY OF THAT KIND OF EDIT.
AND ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT FROM HERE FORWARD, WE NEED TO MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT WE'RE NOT WASTING TIME GETTING IT TO AN EDITABLE STATE.
BECAUSE THIS, IT, IT'S A TIME, IT'S A, WELL, IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD, IT'S A MESS.
WELL, IT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO US RE REGARDLESS IF IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DO IT OR NOT.
I KNOW IF, IF YOU, IF THE XEROX SHEETS WERE HANDED TO YOU AND SAID, OKAY, MAKE ANY EDITS TO THIS, THAT'S RIDICULOUS.
THAT'S 1950S LEVEL OF TECHNOLOGY.
MY POINT IS, WE NEED TO GET IT IN A USABLE FORM.
AND, AND THAT'S MY FIRST ISSUE WITH IT.
NOW, I PERSONALLY HAVE GONE THROUGH THE UDC, UM, PER PREVIOUSLY ON MY OWN AND MADE EDITS.
SO I WAS VERY COMFORTABLE GOING THROUGH, ONCE I GOT IT INTO AN EDITABLE FORMAT MM-HMM
GOING THROUGH, I AM CURRENTLY, UH, ABOUT 22% COMPLETE, AND I'VE PUT IN ABOUT SIX HOURS OF WORK DOING BETTER THAN ME LOOKED AT IT.
UM, ONE, ONE THING THAT THE, THE, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE WAS SAYING IS, OH, WE, WE PULLED OUT A HUNDRED PAGES.
WELL, I'M NOT IMPRESSED BECAUSE REFORMATTING IT, I PULLED OUT 88
SO JUST MAKING IT EDITABLE,
AND I THINK THAT WITH, IF I KEEP POUNDING AWAY AT THIS, NOW THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT, UH, SHALL WE SAY OTHER P AND Z RELATED DRAMA.
UM, NOW THAT, THAT'S KIND OF GOTTEN SHAKEN OUT, I THINK I CAN PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME INTO IT.
AND I, I BELIEVE THAT I COULD HAVE A PIECE DONE BY THE JUNE MEETING.
I, I THINK I COULD HAVE MY, MY EDITS DONE BY THE JUNE MEETING.
THAT'S ONLY A MONTH AWAY THAT I THINK I CAN DO IT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE OTHER SIX PEOPLE.
THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
I LIKE COLLEGE IS WHETHER OR NOT, BECAUSE THIS IS SO BIG, WOULD WE PREFER TO PHASE THIS? I RATHER THAN COME BACK LIKE, I, I DON'T LIKE THE PHASE IDEA BECAUSE CHAPTER BY CHAPTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T LIKE THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CROSS CONTENT MM-HMM
THERE'S REFERENCE IN CHAPTER ONE TO CHAPTER SIX IN CHAPTER TWO TO CHAPTER EIGHT, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND IT VERY CLEARLY DID GET LOST WHEN THE SUBCOMMITTEE GOT A HOLD OF IT.
THERE, THERE ARE CROSS REFERENCES THAT DON'T CONNECT.
DESPITE THEM REALLY FOCUSING ON THAT, THEY STILL MISSED IT BECAUSE IT WAS BROKEN INTO PIECES.
SO WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK IF ABOUT, IF PNC HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING JUST FOR THAT? SO WE, I THOUGHT THERE WILL BE DISCUSS THIS WITHOUT QUESTION.
I, I THINK WHEN YOU'RE READY TO BRING IT FORWARD, WE WILL BRING A MEETING AGENDA TO YOU WITH NOTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA ABOUT THIS.
AND THAT, I LIKE THAT IDEA TOO.
MAYBE IT'S A WORK SESSION OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, BUT YEAH.
THE, THERE'S IN THE WHAT, 60 SOMETHING PAGES I'VE GONE THROUGH ALREADY.
THERE'S BEEN AN EDIT AT LEAST ONE EDIT ON EVERY PAGE.
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OKAY.WHAT'D THEY DO FOR 10 MONTHS? I DON'T KNOW.
THEY TOOK OUT A HUNDRED PAGES, AND I DON'T LIKE THIS ONE.
IT, IT LOOKS LIKE 40 OF 'EM WERE THE TABLE OF CONTENTS AND D DEFINITIONS.
BUT HEY,
I, I PERSONALLY, I'D LIKE TO HAVE TILL AUGUST.
SO I JUST AUGUST WOULD WORK BETTER FOR ME.
I, I, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT.
I WAS GONNA LOOK AT IT TODAY, BUT THE INTERNET WAS DOWN FOR ME, SO, WELL, IF AUGUST WOULD BE BETTER, IF I GO THROUGH AND I HAVE A REDLINED, IT IS ACTUALLY REDLINED.
UH, YOU DON'T NEED ANY SPECIAL SKILLS TO SEE 'EM.
IF I CAN GET THAT DONE BY JUNE, THEN I THINK WE COULD HAVE A WORK SESSION YEAH.
IN JUNE OR MAYBE EVEN EARLY JULY.
I THINK EARLY JULY IS BETTER THAN AUGUST.
UH, I, I THINK AUGUST IS PUSHING IT A BIT TOO FAR.
BUT I, I THINK WE SHOULD SAY AUGUST, BUT BE WILLING TO DO IT SOONER IF WE CAN, BUT PUSHING IT OUT TO AUGUST GIVES US, IN CASE WE NEED THAT EXTRA TIME, THAT WAY COUNSEL OR, OR THEY'RE NOT EXPECTING SOMETHING IN JULY 15TH AND WE'RE NOT READY.
WELL, WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE IS, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF HOWARD WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE ME A CALL IN TWO WEEKS OR WHATEVER AND SAY, HEY, HOW ARE WE LOOKING? COOL.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST GONNA KEEP PUSHING THIS OUT AND KEEP ASKING YOU, OR UNLESS YOU, I WANT YOU TO DECIDE AS A GROUP.
I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY TO PUSH ANYBODY ELSE TOO MUCH.
BUT YEAH, I THINK WHAT I'LL DO IS ASK YOU NEXT MONTH, WHERE, WHERE ARE WE? AND WHEN YOU SAY, SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA BE READY BY SUCH AND SUCH, THEN I CAN PUSH THE COUNCIL BECAUSE THERE'S DATES INVOLVED.
THAT'S EXACTLY, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON YEAH.
THAT I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN THIS.
I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO WORK FASTER OR SLOWER OR DIFFERENTLY.
I JUST WANT SOME TYPE OF SURETY THAT WE CAN PUBLICIZE AND ADVERTISE.
AND, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
SO, YOU KNOW, SO MAYBE, MAYBE A WORKSHOP IN JUNE.
MAYBE WE WORKSHOP IT IN JUNE, MAYBE WE WORKSHOP IT IN JULY.
BUT TO ME THAT'S, I WOULD RATHER DO THAT COME THE JUNE MEETING THAN RIGHT NOW WHEN I'M ONLY AT 20%.
I'D LIKE TO PUT IN A REQUEST THAT IF WE'RE GONNA PUSH THIS PAST JUNE, WHOMEVER'S FILLING THE SEAT, WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THEM TO ATTEND ANY JUNE MEETING.
JUST, YOU KNOW, TO SIT, LISTEN AND MAYBE TAKE NOTES, BECAUSE IF IT'S THIS IS GONNA GO PAST JUNE.
THEY NEED TO BE A PART OF THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA COME ON AND SAY, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON.
UH, DO I, I HAVE NO ISSUE ASKING COUNSEL TO APPOINT A, A REPLACEMENT NOW, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, THURSDAY NIGHT, I HAVE NO PROBLEM TELLING COUNCIL, HEY, WE NEED SOMEONE TO COME ON BOARD AND BE PART OF THE UDC REVIEW EDIT PROCESS.
EVEN THOUGH YOUR TERM ISN'T EXPIRED.
CALL OR THEY COULD JUST COME IN AS A SHADOW.
JUST SIT, LISTEN, YOU KNOW, TAKE, TAKE NOTES.
MAYBE, MAYBE YOU WANNA HAVE AN EIGHTH PERSON.
I WANT THEM APPOINTED WITH A START DATE, YOU AND BRAD.
BUT THAT WAY THAT PERSON KNOWS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE APPOINTED WITH A START DATE OF, I BELIEVE JULY 1ST.
THEN THEY CAN ATTEND
KIND OF LIKE JUST, YOU KNOW, SIT AND LISTEN.
YOU KNOW, SHADOW, THEY CAN ATTEND, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN, THEY CAN SIT THERE.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A VOTE.
THEY'RE NOT OFFICIALLY A MEMBER THIS SWORN IN.
BUT THEY CAN AT LEAST BE IN AND HEARING WHAT WE'RE DOING.
BUT WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA NEED TWO.
WHO ARE THE TWO THAT ARE LEAVING? WELL, UNLESS BRIAN COMES BACK.
IF, IF BRIAN, I THINK BRIAN'S COMING BACK.
I MEAN, HE'S, HE'S, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH, UH, DEIB LIBRARY, ET CETERA ABOUT THIS.
SO I, I JUST THOUGHT WE HAD TWO GOING OFF IN JULY.
WELL, HE'S DUE TO COME, HE'S DUE TO COME OFF, BUT HE CAN CERTAINLY OH YEAH.
THAT'S WHY I KEPT SAYING TOO, 'CAUSE I KEPT THINKING THAT, THAT HE WAS, YEAH.
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IN JUNE.BUT, WE'LL, WE'LL NEED DEFINITELY WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO SAID, NO, I'M, I'M NOT CONTINUING AFTER THIS.
BUT YEAH, I, I DEFINITELY THINK IF, IF YOU WANT ME TO ASK, I CAN, IF YOU WANT TO ASK HOWARD, THAT'S FINE.
THERE'S AN ITEM ON THURSDAY NIGHT AGENDA ABOUT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
I DIDN'T READ THE BACKUP INFORMATION ABOUT IT.
I JUST SAW IT ON, ON THE AGENDA THAT THAT'S AN ALWAYS ON, ALWAYS EVERY SINGLE COUNCIL MEETING IT'S ON.
IT'D PROBABLY BE BETTER COMING FROM YOU, QUITE HONESTLY, BECAUSE YOU'RE A KNOWN QUANTITY.
SO THEY'LL TALK TO EITHER ONE OF US.
I'LL, I'LL SIGN UP FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT ON, UH, ON THAT.
AND I'M PRESENTING THE C-I-P-C-I-P ANYHOW, SO I'LL BE THERE.
YEAH, THAT, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.
'CAUSE I, SO I WOULD'VE, FOR MY SCHEDULING PURPOSES, WHEN WE DO A WORK SESSION TO TALK ABOUT THIS, WHERE IT'LL JUST BE DISCUSSION OF EDITS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE ANY MOTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW.
DOES IT HAVE TO BE SEVEN? NO, IT COULD BE EARLIER.
AND START TO 6, 6, 6 STARTED, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE IS, IT'D PROBABLY BE UPSTAIRS IN THE EXEC CONFERENCE ROOM RATHER THAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER THAN IN HERE.
MORE CONDUCIVE TO, YOU KNOW, IT'LL STILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT WE'LL JUST HAVE TO YEAH.
OPEN THE DOORS FOR FOLKS JUST LIKE A, JUST LIKE A WORK SESSION BEFORE COUNCIL.
THEY CAN SIT ON THE, OR CHARTER REVIEW AND ALL THAT STUFF.
UM, YEAH, I, I THINK GIVEN THE SIZE OF THIS, I MEAN, PRIOR TO, PRIOR TO THE FORMAT CHANGE, IT WAS 444 PAGES.
SO WE MAY NEED MORE THAN ONE WORK SESSION.
AND IF THAT'S WHAT LET'S, WE NEED, THAT'S, IF THAT'S LET'S, WE NEED MORE THAN ONE WORK SESSION.
LET'S, WE NEED MORE THAN ONE WORK SESSION.
I MEAN, WE SHOULD ALL BE, BE COMMITTED TO DO IT RIGHT NOW.
WE CAN SETTLE ON SECOND TUESDAY IN JUNE FOR A 6:00 PM WORK SESSION TO TALK ABOUT INITIAL EDITS.
DOES THAT SOUND FAIR? AT LEAST TO SAVE THE DATE.
LET'S, LET'S CANCEL IT IN, BECAUSE IF I'M, IF I'M NOT FINISHED OR WHOEVER ISN'T FINISHED, WELL, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE DONE.
I MEAN, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SHOW UP WITH ONE OR THREE CHAPTERS OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAVE YOU.
BUT JUST EVERYBODY CAN KIND OF GET ON THE SAME PAGE FOR A LITTLE BIT.
THE FOLKS A LITTLE BEHIND CAN CATCH UP AND THE FOLKS AHEAD CAN SLOW DOWN AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN JUST KIND OF COME TOGETHER.
WE HAVE WOULD BE, UH, JUNE THE NINTH.
IS IT THE NINTH? JUNE, JUNE 9TH? YEP.
AND I SHOULD STAY, I'M, I'M MAKING PROMISES HERE AND I HAVE NO IDEA OF AVAILABILITY THAT THE ROOM MAY BE CONSUMED.
I MAY HAVE TO CHANGE THIS, BUT OKAY.
THAT'S WHY I SAID PENCIL IN A SAVE THE DATE, BUT I WILL TRY AND MAKE IT A WEEK AFTER OUR REGULAR JUNE 2ND MEETING.
I THINK, I THINK THAT'LL WORK.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT CAN BE, THAT CAN BE A PROGRESS DISCUSSION.
UH, YEAH, SIX SIX IS GONNA BE TIGHT, BUT I THINK I CAN DO IT.
CAN YOU DO, WOULD SIX 30 WORK BETTER FOR YOU? YEAH, I, I THINK I CAN DO SIX.
I'VE GOT ENOUGH LEAD TIME THERE.
I MAY BE, I MAY BE A FEW MINUTES LATE, BUT I THINK I CAN.
YEAH, I KNOW THE SIX O'CLOCK TIME WITH TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT CAN SOMETIMES BE A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC, BUT LITTLE, LITTLE OLD SMALL TOWN.
HU TRAFFIC, TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC.
YOU COULD THANK TAYLOR FOR THAT.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIT THROUGH FOUR CYCLES OF, OF LIGHTS AT NO ED SCHMIDT AND 79 EVER.
ONLY GET THREE OVER HERE ON 1660.
THAT'S WHAT WE USED TO SAY ABOUT PFLUGERVILLE ON PECAN STREET AND YEAH.
I'M, I'M STARTING TO THINK I'LL JUST PARK MY CAR OVER HERE ON ONE OF THE SIDE STREETS AND WALK HERE AND BE HERE FASTER.
UBER IT, UBER
JUST WON'T GET YOU ANY FASTER.
UH, ANYTHING FURTHER ON 7.1? NOPE.
I GOT MY WORK CUT OUT FOR ME, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON THAT.
STATE AND NATIONAL PLANNING CONFERENCE, ATTENDANCE STILL BUDGET SEASON, UM, DRAWING THE IRE OF OUR FINANCE FOLKS BECAUSE I'M WOEFULLY BEHIND IN GETTING STUFF DONE.
THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE A MONTH AGO, BUT NOT YOUR FAULT.
I DID FLOAT THE QUESTION TO SOME OF YOU BACK IN FEBRUARY ABOUT YOUR DESIRE AND AVAILABILITY TO ATTEND CONFERENCES.
NOW THERE ARE TWO, THERE IS A STATE CHAPTER OF THE A PA, WHICH IS TEXAS A PA, AND THEN THERE IS THE NATIONAL CHAPTER.
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THROUGH COINCIDENCE IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS, BOTH OF THOSE MEETINGS, ANNUAL MEETINGS FOR BOTH OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS WILL BE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS CHRONOLOGICALLY.THE FIRST ONE WILL BE LIKELY EARLY NOVEMBER, PROBABLY THE, MAYBE THE FIRST WEEK IN NOVEMBER COULD BE AS EARLY AS THE LAST WEEK IN OCTOBER.
THE DATES HAVEN'T BEEN ESTABLISHED YET OR, OR PUBLICIZED YET, TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
AND I CHECK QUITE OFTEN, LIKE TWICE A WEEK I'M LOOKING FOR IT
BUT, UM, TO MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S IN AMARILLO THIS YEAR.
THAT WAS ANNOUNCED A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
SO IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT FOR THE, FOR THE SAKE OF, OF, OF BUDGETING? WOULD THEY WANT TO GO TO THE STATE'S, UH, ANNUAL CONFERENCE OF A PA IN AMARILLO IN EARLY NOVEMBER? UH, SO I'VE ATTENDED VIRTUALLY THE NATIONAL RIGHT.
AND I'VE ATTENDED IN PERSON, THE STATE, UH, I, I GAVE THAT BRIEFING, UH, YEAH, I DID TWO YEARS AGO, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
UH, REGARDING THE STATE CONFERENCE.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT PHYSICAL ATTENDANCE, I REALLY CAN'T SPEAK TO THE NATIONAL CONFERENCE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE STATE CONFERENCE IS WORTH EVERY MINUTE OF IT.
I ATTENDED THE STATE CONFERENCE AS A P AND Z STAFF MEMBER, AND, UM, I WAS, I HAD JUST STARTED WORKING THERE AND WAS THE LIAISON FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND THE PNC AND I REC, I TOTALLY RECOMMEND THAT EVERYBODY AT LEAST GET A CHANCE TO GO TO THAT ONE.
UM, EVEN THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEMBERS, YOU COULD LEARN A LOT.
THAT WAS THE ONE IN GALVESTON I WENT TO.
I WENT TO THE ONE IN ALLEN MM-HMM
BUT, UH, THE, THE, UH, NATIONAL ONE, SO THE, THE NATIONAL ONE, SORT OF A SEPARATE ISSUE, BUT THAT WILL BE MOST LIKELY AGAIN, LATE APRIL OF 2027.
SO THE NATIONAL CONFERENCES ARE IN THE SPRING.
TYPICALLY, EACH STATE HAS THEIR ANNUAL CONFERENCE IN, IN THE AUTUMN AT SOME POINT.
UM, FOR, FOR CLARITY, RIGHT NOW, MY EXPECTATION IS ABOUT HALF OF MY STAFF, WHICH MEANS TWO PEOPLE.
UM, I HAVE BUDGETED TO ATTEND THE STATE CONFERENCE IN AMARILLO THIS FALL.
BUT THE WEIRD THING ABOUT IT IS, IS THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT FROM THE 26TH FISCAL YEAR BUDGET, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE EARLY BIRD STARTS.
AND IN THIS INSTANCE, THERE'LL PROBABLY BE SOME TRAVEL ARRANGEMENTS AND HOTELS AND THINGS.
SO WE NEED TO DO THAT EARLY, BUT THEN THE ACTUAL EVENT HAPPENS IN NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
UM, BUT WE WILL ALSO BUDGET FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR FOR THE NATIONAL CONFERENCE, WHICH THE OTHER HALF OF THE STAFF, INCLUDING MYSELF, WILL ATTEND THAT.
DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I HAVE SEEN THE, THE INFORMATION ABOUT WHEN AND WHERE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S BEING HELD.
I ASSUME IT'S LIKE A GEORGE BROWN R YOU KNOW, GEORGE R. BROWN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE YOU TRYING TO GET A BUDGET TO GO TO THE STATE? I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE THAT WITH THIS, WITH THIS QUESTION.
I HAVE FOUR PERSONS GOING TO TWO SEPARATE CONFERENCES TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE INTERESTED.
TO PIGGYBACK ON YOUR POINT, I ALMOST, AND I WON'T, I WON'T SAY THIS OUT LOUD, BUT I ALMOST WOULD PREFER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS GO AND, AND STAFF, YOU KNOW, STAY AT HOME SOMETIMES FOR THE, FOR THE LEVEL OF NEED AND THE UTILITY THAT YOU GET.
THE EPIPHANY THAT A, THAT A BOARD AND OR COMMISSION MEMBER GETS FROM GOING TO THESE CONFERENCES AND BEING INTRODUCED TO CONCEPTS THAT THEY DID, DID NOT EVEN NECESSARILY KNOW WERE IMPORTANT.
THE ENTHUSIASM THAT COMES FROM THAT AFTERWARDS, THERE'S NO BETTER WAY TO TO, TO GET THAT THAN TO HAVE BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBERS ATTEND.
THERE'S A TRACK YOU CAN GO THROUGH FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE TWO AND A HALF OR THREE DAYS.
THAT'S JUST BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEMBERS.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO PICK OUT WHICH SESSION YOU WANT TO GO TO AND LISTEN TO.
YOU CAN JUST GO TO THEM AND THEY GIVE YOU LAW, THEY GIVE YOU POLICY AND PROCEDURES.
THEY GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, FOUNDATIONAL HISTORY, ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT STUFF ABOUT IT.
SO WHEN YOU ASK HOW MANY AM I TRYING TO BUDGET FOR? MY QUESTION IS, HOW MANY ABOVE FOUR DO I NEED? AND I, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT BUDGETING, I'M ASKING EVERYTHING IN THE CITY'S BUDGET IS A QUESTION, NOT A, NOT A RIGHT, NOT A GUARANTEE.
SO, UM, I, I, BOARDS AND COMMISSION FUNDING IS NOT ACTUALLY WITHIN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ITS OWN THING OR IF IT'S IN THE COUNCIL OR IF IT'S IN CITY OUTTA COUNCIL SECRETARY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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ELECTED OFFICIALS, THE, THE CITY COUNCIL TO GO AT AT LEAST TWO OR THREE OF 'EM WHERE THEY CAN COME BACK AND AT LEAST TELL THE STORY OF WHAT THEY SAW.BUT THERE'S A LOT OF UTILITY THAT GOES INTO ZVA AND PNZ TO GO TO THAT AS WELL.
UM, IF I'M BEING HONEST, HPC HAS ENOUGH CONFERENCES AND INTEREST AND, AND SEMINARS THAT ARE DIRECTLY ON POINT TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THE GENERAL NATURE OF A PA AT LARGE WOULD BE AS ON POINT OR HELPFUL TO THEM.
BUT FOR THE OTHER THREE THAT I STAFF AND THE ELECTED, YOU KNOW, COMMISSION WOULD BE THE FOURTH ONE.
I, I WANT AS MANY OF THEM TO GO AS POSSIBLE.
NOW THAT BEING SAID, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE ATMOSPHERE OF, OF HURO, YOU KNOW, FROM THE TOP DOWN IS NO, NO TRAVEL, NO, UH, SEMINARS, NO, NONE OF THAT.
SO I, I REALIZED THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT MAY BE A LONG ASK, NOT A, NOT A SHORT ONE, BUT THAT BEING SAID, IF THE ANSWER FROM EVERYBODY I ASK IS NO, THEN THE ANSWER IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NO, IT'S EASY TO BUDGET FOR THAT MM-HMM
BUT I DIDN'T WANNA LEAVE ANYBODY OUT.
AND, AND I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY COST OF NOT ASKING YOU IS SO GREAT IN LIGHT OF THE BENEFIT YOU GET FROM IT.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE ALMOST MALPRACTICE FOR ME NOT TO ASK FOR YOU TO ATTEND.
SO, BUT I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE JUST CAN'T.
I, I HIGHLY, HIGHLY, HIGHLY ENCOURAGE AT THE VERY AT, I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THE NATIONAL, I GO WAY ABOVE THAT FOR THE STATE.
THE STATE WAS EXCEPTIONALLY WORTHWHILE IN MY OPINION.
I LIKE, I LIKE THE STATE ONE BECAUSE MOST OF THE SUBJECT MATTERS ON POINT FOR OUR REGION.
THEY'RE NOT TALKING TO ME ABOUT SNOW REMOVAL.
THEY'RE NOT TALKING TO ME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HURRICANE PROOFING MY TOWN OR SOME THINGS THAT DON'T REALLY APPLY TO US DIRECTLY.
AND BUT THE, THE STATE ONE WILL ALWAYS TALK ABOUT YEAH, YEAH.
OAK, OAK WILT DISEASE AND YOU KNOW, ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING HERE.
IN 24, I WAS HEARING ABOUT DATA CENTERS AND, AND LARGE SCALE INDUSTRIAL IN RICHARDSON, AND I WAS HEARING ABOUT THE SAMSUNG PLANT IN TAYLOR, AND IT WASN'T FROM SOMEONE ELSE, IT WAS FROM THE, THE PLANNER OF RICHARDSON.
IT WAS FROM THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER OF TAYLOR.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS, NO, THESE GUYS CAN CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS MM-HMM
BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH IT.
AND YOU KNOW, WITH THE NATIONAL ONE, I WAS HEARING ABOUT THIS TOWN IN, UH, NOT TOWN, THIS CITY IN, IN NEW MEXICO AND THIS CITY IN SOUTH CAROLINA.
AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S NEAT.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT IT'S NOT AS VALUABLE AS, YOU KNOW, OUR NEIGHBOR EIGHT MILES AWAY GOING, THIS IS HOW WE HANDLED THIS
PURELY SELFISHLY, THE NATIONAL CONFERENCE IS A HIGHER CONCENTRATION OF CM CREDITS.
AND I AM STRUNG OVER THE A ICP BARREL, LIKE MANY OF MY PROFESSIONAL COLLEAGUES WHERE WE NEED TO GET THOSE CREDITS EVERY YEAR.
IF WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO KEEP OUR CERTIFICATION YEAR ON YEAR.
THAT'S ONE BENEFIT OF THE NATIONAL CONFERENCE.
THAT BEING SAID, I STILL THINK THAT THE STATE ONE, THIS HAS A LOT MORE UTILITY, BUT THE STATE ONE THIS YEAR IS A FLYAWAY.
I MEAN, I WENT TO EL PASO, I HAD TO FLY TO THAT ONE.
UH, BUT I DROVE TO, UM, GALVESTON A COUPLE TIMES.
I DROVE TO CORPUS CHRISTI ONCE, UM, DROVE TO THE METROPLEX ONCE, WENT TO GALVESTON.
I'VE BEEN TO, I'VE BEEN TO THAT ONE TWICE SINCE, SINCE I'VE LIVED HERE.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, JUST TRYING TO GET A STRAW POLL.
NOTHING, NOTHING NECESSARILY THAT YOU HAVE TO COMMIT TO, BUT, UH, INTEREST OR NOT INTEREST, BECAUSE THE FLIGHTS ARE ALSO GONNA START FILLING UP AS OF AUGUST, AND THAT'S CORRECT.
I CAN DO THAT IN MY SLEEP, BUT IT, IT WOULD, IT'S A, IT'S A CHALLENGING, UH, LOGISTICS FROM A TIME STANDPOINT BECAUSE OF WHEN IT STARTS ON DAY ONE.
WE WOULD HAVE TO BE ROLLING AT ABOUT THREE 30 OR FOUR FROM HERE IF WE WANTED TO GET THERE FOR THAT FIRST SESSION ON
DO WE KNOW WHAT DAYS IN OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER YET? NO.
I MEAN, AND, AND I'M JUST SPITBALLING THAT OVER THE, THE YEARS PREVIOUS IS, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN GIVE OR TAKE, RIGHT AROUND THANKSGIVING SOMETIMES, OR I MEAN, UH, HALLOWEEN.
HALLOWEEN, IT'S EITHER A COUPLE DAYS BEFORE OR A COUPLE DAYS.
IN FACT, ONE OF THE GALVESTON ONES HAD A, A COSTUME PARTY.
'CAUSE HALLOWEEN WAS JUST A COUPLE DAYS LATER.
THAT'D BE INTERESTING TO STAY.
AND, AND THE ONE I WENT TO IN ALLEN, IT WAS SOME STUFF ON THURSDAY, HARD AND HEAVY ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY AND THEN SOME STUFF ON SUNDAY.
SO IT WAS KIND OF A FOUR DAY, BUT NOT REALLY.
WHEN WE WERE AT GALVESTON, WE LEFT AT NOON ON FRIDAY.
I THINK IT'S LIKE A WEDNESDAY,
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THURSDAY, FRIDAY OR SOMETHING.I'D BE INTERESTED IN GONNA STATE IF YOU CAN GET IT.
I, I THINK THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE BEST TO RE-ASK.
I AM INTERESTED, BUT I'M ALSO WILLING TO GIVE UP MY SEAT, SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE I JUST WENT MM-HMM
BUT I THINK, I THINK RE-ASKING AT, AT THE JUNE 4TH MEETING OKAY.
BECAUSE I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE NEWER MEMBERS.
AND IF WE DO HAVE A NEW APPOINTEE AFTER THURSDAY, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL TURNS AROUND AND DOES APPOINT SOMEONE AT THE SECOND MEETING IN, IN MAY, THEN WE KNOW WHO'S TAKING THAT SEAT AND WE CAN GET THEM ON BOARD FOR THE A PA, AT LEAST THE TEXAS ONE.
I, I THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO GO.
UH, REQUEST FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. WE KIND OF COVERED THAT.
ANYTHING THAT MAY REQUIRE AN ACTION THOUGH.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO, UH, BRING FORWARD? NO, SIR.
WE WON'T HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS.
WE WILL POTENTIALLY HAVE A WORK SESSION JUNE 9TH ISH.
UM, PROBABLY BEGINNING AT SIX.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF.
WELL THEN WITH THAT, WE WILL ADJOURN AT, UH, WHAT IS THAT? 8 38.