* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] ALL RIGHT. IT'S SEVEN OH FOUR. WE'LL CALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THURSDAY, MAY 21ST, 2026 TO ORDER. AND WE'LL START WITH ROLL CALL COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. HERE. COUNCILOR MORRIS HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. HERE. COUNCILMAN KING HERE. MAYOR PROAM THORNTON HERE. AND MAYOR SATERS HERE NEXT, IF YOU'LL RISE, WILL BE LED TONIGHT. INVOCATION. AND I DON'T HAVE MY NOTES. I LOST IT. OH, PASTOR KIRBY BEING LED BY PASTOR KIRBY. YOU'RE DOING IT FOR US. KIRBY CAMPBELL, WITH ONE STAR BAPTIST CHURCH. THANKS, SIR. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. LET'S PRAY. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME TO YOU TONIGHT ASKING YOU FOR YOUR HELP AND GUIDANCE, WISDOM, DIRECTION. I DO PRAY FOR OUR CITY OF HU THAT YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO BLESS IT. I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD JUST BLESS THE MEETING TONIGHT AND ALL WHO HAVE A PART AND HAVE, UH, THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO, UH, TALK ABOUT, DISCUSS. I PRAY THAT YOU'D GIVE THEM WISDOM FROM YOU AND THAT, UH, THINGS WILL BE DONE IN SUCH A WAY THAT'LL BRING GLORY AND HONOR TO YOU. IT'S A PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE IN THIS CITY, AND WE'RE THANKFUL FOR IT. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE GET TO MAKE AN IMPACT, AND I PRAY THAT WE CAN DO THAT THROUGH ALL THE THINGS THAT WE DO TOGETHER. AND, UH, JUST ASK LORD, THAT YOU WOULD JUST, UH, AGAIN, HELP EACH ONE WHO HAS A PART TONIGHT TO, UH, UH, TAKE CARE OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES. AND I PRAY FOR YOUR HELP AND YOUR GUIDANCE. WE SURE LOVE YOU, LORD. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOODNESS TO US IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN. AFTER YOU JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE, LORD PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO REPUBLIC, WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL UNDER THE TEXAS ALLEGIANCE TO THE ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE. AND INDIVISIBLE, APOLOGIZE FOR US RUNNING LATE. [5.1. Conduct Oath of Office for newly elected Councilmember Place 4, Corina |. Zepeda. (Judge Lucas Wilson)] LET'S SEE. THAT BRINGS US UP TO ITEM FIVE, ONE, CONDUCT OATH OF OFFICE FOR NEWLY ELECTED COUNCIL MEMBER PLACE FOR KARINA AYE. SUBPOENA, JUDGE WILSON. OKAY. JUST PERFECT. I DID, I WAS FREAKING OUT. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME. I STATE YOUR NAME. I, CORINA ISABELLE. DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF COUNCIL MEMBER. PLACED FOUR OF THE OFFICE OF COUNCIL MEMBER PLACED FOUR FOR THE CITY OF HURO, FOR THE CITY OF HURO, AND OF THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. AND WILL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY AND WILL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND, PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS, THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES, AND OF THIS STATE, OF THE UNITED STATES, AND OF THIS STATE. SO HELP ME GOD. SO HELP ME GOD. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. 3, 2, 5. PERFECT. THANK YOU. TO MAKE IT OFFICIAL. YOU GUYS WANNA, YOU GUYS WANT LIKE A, YOU SAID RECESS, RIGHT? HM, THAT SMALL RECESS WHEN WE DONE? YEAH. TWO AND A HALF MINUTES. , MAYBE THREE. WELCOME. THANK YOU. WELCOME. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. [00:05:08] I'VE BEEN, WHEN ABBY'S DONE TAKING PICTURES, , I'VE BEEN SMALL, UH, RECESS OF COUNSEL FOR JUST LET'S SAY FIVE OR SO MINUTES. THAT'S WHY WE GET CAUGHT UP FOR RUNNING DOWN HERE LATE. THAT GOOD? YEAH. ALRIGHT. SO RECESS AT, UH, 7 0 9. AND YOU NEED TO, NEXT WE HAVE [6. PUBLIC COMMENT] PUBLIC COMMENT. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, IF YOU'LL COME UP, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. YOU'LL SEE THE TIMER ON THE SCREEN. THERE'S 30 SECONDS LEFT. I THINK IT GOES TO YELLOW NOW. AND THEN WHEN YOUR TIME'S UP, UH, WE'LL HAVE TO STOP YOU. UH, FIRST UP WE HAVE MARK WOODSON. ALRIGHT, I AGREE. YEAH, YOU STILL HERE? ALRIGHT. NEXT WE'LL GO TO, UH, WE HAVE PULL KIT AND JOSHI. ALL RIGHT. UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS ZAHI, AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE D-I-D-E-I-B COMMISSION TODAY, UH, I'M PLEASED TO SHARE A FEW UPDATES ON THE WORK YOUR COMMISSION HAS BEEN DOING ON BEHALF OF THE HU COMMUNITY. FIRST, OUR COMMISSION HAS FORMALLY ADOPTED TO TAKE ON A PUBLIC EDUCATION CAMPAIGN FOCUSED ON NEURODIVERSITY. THE GOAL OF THE CAMPAIGN IS TO RAISE AWARENESS AND TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY SERVE BETTER RESIDENTS WHO ARE NEURODIVERGENT AND FOSTERING A GENUINE SENSE OF BELONGING IN THE, IN THE HU COMMUNITY. SECOND, I'M ALSO HAPPY TO REPORT THAT OUR SENIOR CITIZENS WORKING GROUP IS UP AND RUNNING, AND IT'S ACTIVE AND IT'S ENGAGED, AND WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE MEANINGFUL WORK AHEAD. AND ON THAT NOTE, UH, WE'LL BE RECRUITING NEW WORKING GROUP MEMBERS THIS FRIDAY AT THE SUNSET BLOCK PARTY BASH. UH, WE HAVE A TABLE STAFF BY COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE READY TO CONNECT WITH THE PUBLIC ANSWER QUESTIONS. INVITE ANYONE WHO'S PASSIONATE ABOUT SERVING OUR COMMUNITY TO GET INVOLVED. WE ENCOURAGE ANYONE, UH, AND EVERYONE TO STOP BY AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW YOU CAN BE PART OF THIS IMPORTANT WORK. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CON CONTINUED SUPPORT ON THE COMMISSION AND FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF HURO. WE LOOK FORWARD TO KEEPING THE COUNCIL INFORMED AS OUR WORK MOVES FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANKS, SIR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THAT CONCLUDES IT FOR OUR PUBLIC COMMENT, [12.3. Pursuant to Texas Government Code Section 551.074, Personnel Matters, hear a complaint or charge against a public officer, Chair of the Planning and Zoning Commission, and deliberate the appointment , employment, evaluation, reassignment, duties, discipline, or dismissal of the public officer] AND I'VE BEEN ASKED TO BRING ITEM 12 THREE UP NEXT. IT WAS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS. HEARING NONE. GO TO ITEM 12 THREE, PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.074, PERSONNEL MATTERS, HEARING COMPLAINT OR CHARGE AGAINST A PUBLIC OFFICER CHAIR OF THE P AND ZONING COMMISSION AND DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT DUTIES, DISCIPLINE, DISMISSAL OF THE PUBLIC OFFICER. AND WE HAVE RICK HUDSON TO SPEAK ON THIS. GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. UH, RICK HUDSON, CHAIR OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. I WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE ANY SPEAKING UNTIL I HEAR WHAT THIS IS ACTUALLY ABOUT. OKAY. THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, SO IT WON'T BE A BACK AND FORTH. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA SAY TO IT? SO IT'S YOU DELIBERATING, AND THAT'S IT. I BELIEVE SO, UNLESS SOMEONE HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU. OKAY. THIS MAYOR AND COUNSEL, IF I MAY, UM, THE WAY THE AGENDA IS POSTED IS TO HEAR A COMPLAINT OR CHARGE. I DON'T KNOW OF ANY COMPLAINT OR CHARGE THAT'S BEEN RECEIVED BY THE CITY. THE CITY SECRETARY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. SO THE SECOND PART OF IT IS UNDER SECTION 5 5 1 0 7 4 TO DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT DUTIES, DISCIPLINE OR DISMISSAL OF THE PUBLIC OFFICER. THE PLANNING AND ZONING CHAIR IS A PUBLIC OFFICER, AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS ARE. SO THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE, UM, CITATION UNDER THE GOVERNMENT CODE FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THIS. THE PLANNING AND ZONING CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS ARE APPOINTED, AND THE POWER OF APPOINTMENT COMES WITH THE POWER OF REMOVAL. UNLIKE THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT UNDER STATE LAW FOR THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO HEAR THE REASON FOR IF THERE WAS A DISMISSAL AND PROVIDE NOTICE AND OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD. THAT IS NOT FOUND IN THE APPOINTMENT OF A PLANNING AND ZONING CHAIR OR COMMISSIONER. UM, [00:10:01] I WAS ALSO ASKED BY, UM, CHAIRMAN HUDSON, IF THE CITY ATTORNEY REPRESENTS HIM, THE CITY ATTORNEY UNDER THE CHARTER CAN ONLY REPRESENT THE CITY AND THE, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS IN THEIR OFFICIAL CAPACITY. WE WOULD NOT REPRESENT, UH, ANY APPOINTED, UH, PUBLIC OFFICER, UM, UNDER THIS SECTION OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. AND I ADVISED, UH, CHAIRMAN HUDSON, THAT HE WOULD EITHER RETAIN HIS OWN ATTORNEY OR REQUEST THAT THE COUNSEL APPOINT HIM ONE. SO, UH, IN, IN LIGHT OF THAT NEW INFORMATION, THAT, AND THAT IS NOT NEW INFORMATION, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH STATE LAW, AND WE DID HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. NO, NO. IN LIGHT OF THE NEW INFORMATION, THERE'S NO NEW INFORMATION ON WHAT I SAID VERY, VERY WELL. THE REASON I ASK FOR THIS TO BE MOVED IN FRONT OF 7.1 IS I AM SERVING ON OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AND IF THIS COUNCIL DECIDES THAT I NEED TO BE REMOVED, THEN I SHOULD LIKELY BE REMOVED FROM THOSE OTHER ONES AS WELL. AND WE'RE NOT POSTED FOR THAT. WE'RE ONLY POSTED FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING CHAIR. APPOINTMENT REMOVALS FOR OTHER BOARDS WOULD COME UNDER 7.1, ITEM 7.1, BUT 12.3 IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT PLANNING AND ZONING. AND I, I ASKED FOR IT TO BE MOVED IN FRONT OF 7.1 SO THAT IF THERE IS A REMOVAL ON 12.3, YOU CAN THEN REMOVE ON 7.1. RIGHT. I THINK WHAT THE STATE ATTORNEY IS SAYING, WE CAN'T DISCUSS THINGS FOR 7.1 WHEN WE'RE ONLY ON 12.3. I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, I'M LOOKING AT 12.3 AS PURSUANT TO THE GOVERNOR CO. UH, WE WILL HEAR A COMPLAINT OR CHARGE, I'VE NOT HEARD OF. CAN WE READ THE COMPLAINT, COMPLAINT OR CHARGE? I, I'VE MADE THAT STATEMENT. I DON'T KNOW OF ANY COMPLAINT OR CHARGE. WE POST POSTED THIS VERY BROADLY BECAUSE STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO POST, UH, AGENDA ITEMS BROADLY NOW. SO IF A COMPLAINT OR CHARGE HAD COME IN BETWEEN THE TIME THIS WAS POSTED IN TONIGHT, WE CERTAINLY WOULD TAKE THAT AND GIVE THAT TO THE CHAIR. BUT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINT OR CHARGE. SO WHAT, WHAT I PLAN TO DO WAS TO DELIBERATE THE REMOVAL OR DISCIPLINE OF THE CHAIRMAN FROM THE PLANET AND SONY. OKAY. BUT WHAT'S WHAT'S IT BASED ON THOUGH? AND THAT'S WHAT I'LL GO INTO NEXT. AND SO AFTER A PNZ MEETING, I BELIEVE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, RICK, IT'S THE LAST ONE. THE P AND Z MEETING WOULD'VE BEEN THE FIRST OF THE MONTH. BUT THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THE, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT LAST MEETING. THAT WAS THE LAST P AND Z MEETING WE HAD THE FIRST OF THIS MONTH. YES. OKAY. YEAH. AND SO THEY HAD AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, AND IT DIDN'T GO THE WAY THAT A CITIZEN WANTED IT TO GO. AND THEN IT, SOME POINT, THE CITIZEN REACHED OUT TO THE CHAIRMAN AND VOICED THEIR CONCERN ABOUT THE ITEM AND WANTED IT TO BE APPEALED. AND FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT ME WHEN I'M SAYING IT WRONG, WANTED IT APPEALED OR SOME PROCESS. AND AT SOME POINT IN THE CONVERSATION, UM, THE CHAIRPERSON SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS PERSON IS A MINORITY. AND THE CHAIRMAN SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR'S A RACIST, SO HE IS NOT GONNA HELP YOU ANYWAY. AND SO THEN IT WAS BROUGHT UP, WELL, THAT'S REALLY NOT, NOT FUNNY, NOT MATERIAL. AND SO THEN, UM, HE SAID, WELL, THE COUNCIL'S NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING TO HELP YOU. AND SO I VIEW THAT AS A PRETTY BIG, UM, ISSUE. I TALKED TO, UM, RICK ABOUT IT AND ASKED FOR HIS SIDE. HE SAID HE REALLY DOESN'T WANNA GET INTO IT. THAT, AND AGAIN, YOU TELL ME WHEN I'M WRONG, BUT AS I UNDERSTOOD, YOU SAID, LOOK, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, OUR CONVERSATION WENT FROM ME BEING A CHAIR PERSON TO ME JUST TALKING TO THEM. AND I SAID, IN MY MIND, WHEN A, WHEN A CITIZEN IS CALLING THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE PLAN AND ZONING IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONVERSATION, YOU CAN'T TAKE ONE HAT OFF AND THEN PUT ANOTHER HAT ON AND PICK AND CHOOSE. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING AS A CHAIRPERSON, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING AS JUST A CITIZEN, AND I'M NOT DOING THIS BECAUSE IT'S NECESSARILY, UH, ABOUT ME. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. IT'S, I LOOK AT IT LIKE, IF ANY OF US WERE IN THE SAME POSITION AND A CITIZEN CAME TO US AND THE FIRST THING THEY SAID IS, WELL, THE COUNCIL THIS, OR THE PERSON THIS, I WOULD LOOK AT DISCIPLINING A PERSON ON A COUNCIL THE SAME WAY. WE CAN'T REMOVE A COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, FOR THAT. BUT THOSE THINGS, THOSE COMMENTS TO ME DO NOT BREED, UM, TRUST IN OUR GOVERNMENT. AND I THINK THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLAN AND ZONING SHOULD BE, HERE'S THE PROCESS, OR I DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS. HERE'S HOW I CAN TALK TO A CITY ATTORNEY AND GET THE PROCESS FOR AN APPEAL. BUT THE FIRST THING YOU DO IS YOU TELL A CITIZEN, WELL, NO ONE'S GONNA HELP YOU BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN. THEN IS THAT A, IS THAT A VIEWPOINT I HAVE OR IS THAT A VIEWPOINT THAT THE CHAIRMAN HAS? IS THAT A VIEWPOINT OF THE CITY THAT CITIZEN WALKS AWAY AND THE FIRST THING THEY DID IS THEY CALLED ME AND THEY BROUGHT THIS ISSUE UP AND THEY WERE DISTURBED THAT THEY WERE BEING TOLD THAT. AND SO, UM, IN MY MIND, UM, AT THE VERY LEAST, [00:15:01] I DON'T THINK THAT RICK OUGHT TO BE THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE PLAN AND ZONING FOR THIS. UM, IN ALL ASPECTS, KIND OF HONESTLY, BECAUSE IT'S THE PLAN ZONING. IT'S ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL BOARDS WE HAVE THAT GETS INVOLVED INTO ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES COULD ALLOW US TO BE SUED BASED ON DECISIONS OR COMMENTS THAT WE MAKE. UM, THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT, I MEAN, PEOPLE TALK ABOUT ME ALL THE TIME. SO I, THAT DOESN'T BOTHER ME. WHAT BOTHERS ME IS WHEN IT COULD END UP WITH LITIGATION AGAINST THE CITY BECAUSE OF WHAT ONE OF OUR BOARD COMMISSIONS THAT'S HEAVILY INVOLVED IN A PROCESS SAYS. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT KIND OF LED UP TO THIS POINT. AND, UM, I TOLD RICK, WE TALKED AND I SAID, I'M GONNA BRING IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AND I WANTED TO KEEP IT IN EXEC. HE HAS THE RIGHT, UH, BY LAW TO HAVE IT HEARD IN OPEN, WHICH WHEN I'VE HAD COMPLAINTS, I'VE ALWAYS DONE THE SAME THING. SO I ADMIRE YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, NOT DOING THE BACK ROOM THING. I DID NOT WANT TO INTERRUPT, BUT THERE WERE SOME INACCURACIES SURE. IN, IN YOUR RETELLING. UM, I WAS NOT THE FIRST PERSON CONTACTED BY THIS CITIZEN. THIS PERSON CONTACTED THE VICE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND THEN THE VICE CHAIR REFERRED THEM TO ME. I BEGAN THE CONVERSATION ONCE I KNEW WHAT THE CONTENT OF THE CONVERSATION WAS GOING TO BE WITH, I CAN'T OFFER YOU LEGAL ADVICE. ALL I CAN GIVE YOU IS MY OPINIONS. SO IF THIS CITIZEN TOOK THAT AS A CITY POSITION, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO TELL THEM. IF THIS IS MY OPINION, AND I CAN'T OFFER YOU LEGAL ADVICE, AND I DID AT ONE POINT RECOMMEND THAT THEY HIRE AN ATTORNEY. SO WHAT MORE AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? I AM NOT THE CHAIR 24 7, AND I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF YOU BELIEVE THAT. IF YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE COUNSEL 24 7, THERE IS NO WAY THAT SOME OF THE THINGS WOULD BE SAID THAT OUR SAID BY THE COUNCIL. AND AS FAR AS NOT GOOD FOR THE CITY, A PRIVATE CONVERSATION BETWEEN TWO CITIZENS IS NOT GOOD FOR THE CITY. I THINK THERE ARE BIGGER FISH OUT THERE THAT AREN'T GOOD FOR THE CITY. SO IF A, SO YOU'RE SAYING IF A, IF A PERSON CALLS YOU WITH A PLAN AND ZONING ISSUE BY YOU SAYING, I CAN'T OFFER YOU LEGAL ADVICE THAT I CAN, I CAN'T WHAT TO STOPS YOU BEING A PLAN AND ZONING PERSON, AND THEY'RE THE CITIZEN'S SUPPOSED TO KNOW, NOW THEY'RE TALKING TO YOU AS A CITIZEN, NOT AS A P AND Z PERSON. I WOULD HOPE SO. IF, IF SOMEONE CALLS YOU UP AND SAYS, I HAVE THIS ISSUE AND IT IS CLEARLY A LEGAL ISSUE, ARE YOU GOING TO OFFER THEM LEGAL ADVICE OR ARE YOU GOING TO CAVEAT THAT AND SAY, I'M NOT A LAWYER. I CAN'T GIVE YOU LEGAL ADVICE, BUT HERE'S MY OPINION OF WHAT YOU SHOULD DO. HERE'S MY OPINION OF HERE'S MY OPINION OF THE SITUATION. WELL, AND MY BELIEF IS THAT MY OPINION WOULD COME THROUGH. THAT'S THE OPINION OF THE MAYOR. THAT'S NOT THE OPINION OF MIKE. I LOST THE ABILITY FOR MIKE TO HAVE AN OPINION THE MINUTE I GOT ELECTED. AND IN MY OPINION, THE MINUTE YOU BECOME THE PLANNING AND ZONING CHAIR, IF YOU'RE HAVING A BARBECUE, DRINKING A BEER AND TALKING ABOUT FOOTBALL, THAT'S ONE THING. BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING TO DEVELOPMENT ISSUES AND YOU GIVE YOUR OPINION ON DEVELOPMENT ISSUES, YOU CAN'T DO IT AS, UH, AS RICK HUDSON A CITIZEN. BECAUSE YOU SAID, I CAN'T GIVE YOU LEGAL ADVICE. EVERY DEVELOPMENT ISSUE OR ANYTHING THAT DEALS WITH THE CITY, YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE VIEWED WHETHER YOU AGREE OR NOT. OKAY. IN MY OPINION, YOU'LL ALWAYS BE VIEWED AS A PLANNING AND ZONING CHAIR. AND SO ANYTIME YOU SPEAK ABOUT A PLAT ANYWHERE IN THE CITY WITH ANYBODY, IT'S COMING FROM, WELL, HE'S A PLAN AND ZONING CHAIR. THEY'RE NOT GONNA SAY, WELL, HE DID SAY HE'S NOT A LAWYER. AND SO I GUESS THEREFORE, I KNOW THAT THAT'S JUST RICK'S REGULAR OPINION. BUT WHEN RICK SITS UP HERE, NOW YOUR OPINION UP HERE IS DIFFERENT THAN YOUR OPINION THERE. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? WHEN THE PEOPLE LOOK AT IT, WE GIVE OUR OPINIONS UP HERE ALL THE TIME. AND SO OUR OPINIONS ARE ALWAYS THE OPINION OF THE MAYOR, THE COUNCIL MEMBER, THE PLANNING AND ZONING CHAIR. YOU DON'T GET TO STEP OFF THE DAIS AND THEN GIVE YOUR OPINION DIFFERENTLY AND IT BE TAKEN AS WELL. NOW, MY OPINION ON ZONING MATTERS IS NOT OF A PLAN AND ZONING CHAIR. BECAUSE IF YOU GO HAVE COFFEE WITH A DEVELOPER AND YOU SAY, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, AND THEN YOU GIVE YOUR OPINION, YOU'VE JUST DIRECTED WHETHER YOU UNDERSTAND OR NOT, YOU'VE DIRECTED THAT DEVELOPER DOWN A PATH BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE PLANNING CHAIR SAID, YOU CAN'T SAVE. YEAH. BUT I PREFACED IT WITH, AGAIN, [00:20:01] MY OPINION. THEY MAY DISAGREE, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN PREFACE IT WITH, I CAN'T GIVE LEGAL ADVICE AND THEN PROCEED TO TALK TO A DEVELOPER FOR 30 MINUTES. WELL, IN THE, IN THE SCENARIO YOU JUST PRESENTED, THEN I CANNOT DISAGREE WITH A LEGAL, WITH SOMETHING THAT I'M LEGALLY MANDATED TO DO AS THE P AND Z CHAIR. IF THE LAW SAYS I MUST DO THIS, THIS, AND THIS, AND I DON'T AGREE WITH IT, BUT I STILL DO THIS, THIS, AND THIS AS THE CHAIR, WHEN I'M SITTING UP THERE AND THEN I GO HOME AND SOMEONE SAYS, WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? I CAN'T OFFER MY OPINION UNLESS IT'S IN LOCKSTEP. NO, NO, TO ME, YOU CAN A HUNDRED PERCENT GIVE YOUR OPINION. AND YOU CAN SAY, MY OPINION IS, YOU SAID I COULDN'T. NO, NO. WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU CAN GIVE, AGAIN MY OPINION, SEE, MY OPINION IS YOU'RE ABLE TO GIVE YOUR OPINION THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH THE LAW, BUT YOU HAD TO FOLLOW THE LAW. WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WHAT YOU CAN'T DO IS YOU CAN'T GO AS A PLAN AND ZONING CHAIR AND WHETHER IT BE DEFAMATION OR WHATEVER YOU SAY, YOU CAN'T GO MEET WITH SOMEONE AND MAKE ALL THE COMMENTS. YOU WANNA MAKE WHATEVER, NOT JUST ABOUT THIS, ANYTHING WITH THE DEVELOPER, LET'S SAY FOR 30 MINUTES, YOU CAN'T MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THE PROJECT LOOK LIKE, WHAT YOU THINK IT OUGHT TO BE. BUT YOU PREFACE IT WITH, I'M NOT A LEGAL PERSON. AND SO EVERYTHING I SAY IS COMING NOW AS A CITIZEN, NOT AS A PLANNING AND ZONING CHAIR, AS A PLANNING AND ZONING CHAIR. THERE'S EXTREME POWER IN THAT. THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT, IN MY OPINION. WHEN YOU SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING IN A CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT AND THEY'RE COMING UP FOR AN SUP, THAT PERSON'S GONNA TAKE THAT NOT AS RICK THE CITIZEN, RICK, THE PLANNING CHAIR, AND THEY'RE GONNA END UP, UH, UH, CHANGING THEIR PLAN BASED ON WHAT SOME COMMENT YOU SAID. NOW, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FOOTBALL AND THE, THE CHIEFS ARE A TERRIBLE FOOTBALL TEAM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS, AGAIN, IN MY OPINION, THAT REVOLVE AROUND DEVELOPMENT OR PROCESSES, THE CITY PROCESSES, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD JUST TAKE OFF THE HAT ALL OF A SUDDEN IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONVERSATION, BUT I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL. 'CAUSE I MEAN, WE'RE JUST GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THIS. I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, AGAIN, ABOUT WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE COMPLAINT TO BE, REGARDLESS OF THE REASON WHY I'M TRYING TO ESTABLISH WHETHER AFTER A PLANNING ZONING MEETING AND THERE WAS A, AN UNSATIS UNSATISFACTORY RESULT THAT A CITIZEN COMES BEFORE A A, ANY REPRESENTATIVE OF PLANNING AND ZONING MM-HMM . AND THERE, AND WHATEVER THE CONTEXT IS. I'M NOT, BUT THERE, THE RESPONSE IS, IS THAT YOU, YOU CAN'T TRUST OR YOU CAN'T EXPECT ANY HELP FROM A COUNCIL MEMBER. IS IS THAT A FAIR SUMMARY? NO. OKAY. UH, THAT'S WHAT I HEARD IN THE COMPLAIN, THE GIST OF IT. AND I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE, I UNDERSTAND HEAVY DETAILS OF, I UNDERSTAND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT A PRIVATE CONVERSATION. BUT THE GIST OF IT WAS, FIRST, I'M NOT A LAWYER. I CAN'T OFFER YOU LEGAL ADVICE. AND THE LEGAL ADVICE THAT WE RECEIVED AT THAT MEETING IS COMING FROM THE EXACT SAME CITY ATTORNEY FIRM THAT ADVISES THE CITY COUNCIL. SO I DO NOT EXPECT IT TO BE DIFFERENT. SO IF WE'RE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE LAW AS LAID OUT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY WHO WAS ADVISING THE P AND Z ON THAT ISSUE, THEN I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY ADVISING COUNCIL ON THAT ISSUE WOULD HAVE THE SAME ADVICE. I, I I, I'M, I MAY NOT BE STATING THIS CLEARLY. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF A P AND Z REPRESENTATIVE TOLD A CITIZEN OR DEVELOPER OR SOMEONE THAT YOU CAN'T GO TO THE COUNCIL OR HELP OR A MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD IN THE COMPLAINT. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT TRUE. NO. IT, OKAY. THE THANK YOU. THE QUE THE QUESTION WAS, SHOULD I TAKE IT TO COUNSEL? AND I SAID, YOU CAN, BUT I WOULD NOT EXPECT A DIFFERENT RESULT. SO YOU NEVER SAID THAT YOU CAN'T TRUST OR YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY HELP OUT OF AN INDIVIDUAL OR A COUNCIL MEMBER. AGAIN, AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S AS FAR AS I'M WILLING TO GO WITH. SO IT'S A PRIVATE CONVERSATION THAT, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE SAID THAT. SO WE'RE NOT ESTABLISHING IT HERE. THAT'S ALL I NEED TO KNOW. THANK YOU, SIR. I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WE'RE REALLY DEBATING HERE IS WHEN IT'S PROPER FOR A VOLUNTEER ON A COMMISSIONER BOARD TO GIVE A PERSONAL OPINION ON THINGS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE RELATED TO CITY BUSINESS. IS THAT, IS THAT REALLY THE QUESTION THAT WE'RE DEBATING HERE? UM, BECAUSE TO ME, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS MORE OF A NEED FOR TRAINING OF, OR A RETRAINING OF OUR VOLUNTEERS. UM, IT'S HARD ENOUGH FOR TO ASK PEOPLE TO GIVE THE TIME THAT IT TAKES TO SERVE ON A BOARD, A COMMISSION, A NON-PROFIT. AND, AND WHAT WE [00:25:01] DON'T WANNA DO IS SET A PRECEDENT WHERE PEOPLE ARE EVEN LESS LIKELY TO WANT TO VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME, ESPECIALLY IN SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT AS, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT TO P AND Z, BECAUSE WE ARE THEN WE ARE, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ALMOST MICROMANAGING WHAT THEIR CONVERSATIONS ARE WHEN THEY FEEL THEY'RE SPEAKING AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN. AND I THINK THAT SETS A VERY NEGATIVE AND MAYBE DANGEROUS PRECEDING AS A CITY, IF THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THIS. I THINK IT'S MORE BENEFICIAL TO OUR CITIZENS AND TO OUR CITY THAT WE CONSIDER THAT MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO DO A BETTER TYPE OF ORIENTATION AND TRAINING FOR VOLUNTEERS SO THAT ALL OF OUR VOLUNTEER STAFF VOLUNTEER AND BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, OR, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO DO WITH THE CITY, HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AHEAD OF TIME OF THESE TYPE OF POTENTIAL PITFALLS. BECAUSE THEY, AT ONE POINT THEY'RE FEELING, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE HAVING A PRIVATE CONVERSATION WITH THE PERSON. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO THINK WHATEVER THEY WANNA THINK. AND THEN SOMETIMES THEY SAY, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, NOW YOU'RE SPEAKING IN THIS OTHER CAPACITY. SO I THINK THE BENEFIT OF THE CITIZENS IN THE CITY WOULD BE THAT WE INSTEAD TAKE THIS AS A LEARNING OPPORTUNITY, THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO BETTER PREPARE CITIZENS TO SERVE ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AND TO TRAIN TRAINING AND LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE JUST THIS ONE INCIDENT, BUT THAT WE HAVE MORE ASSURANCE THAT GOING FORWARD, THIS KIND OF THING IS NOT GONNA COME UP AGAIN. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T DO THE TRAINING, THIS KIND OF THING IS GOING TO COME UP AGAIN, WHETHER IT'S BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION OR NOT. I THINK WHAT I HEARD IS THERE WAS ADVICE GIVEN TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BY ANOTHER ATTORNEY, A MEMBER OF OUR FIRM THAT REPORTS TO ME AND OUR LEGAL ADVICE IS USUALLY REVIEWED BEFORE SHE REPRESENTS WHAT THE LEGAL OPINION WOULD BE BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. MM-HMM . I THINK WHAT THE ISSUE IS, THE CHAIRMAN ASSUMING THAT WHEN IT COMES TO COUNSEL, THAT IT WOULD BE THE SAME OPINION BECAUSE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS ARE THE FACT FINDERS. THEY GET THEIR LEGAL OPINION BASED ON THEIR PACKET WHEN IT COMES TO CITY COUNCIL. IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE THE SAME APPLICATION. IT COULD BE AMENDED, IT COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE. AND TO MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD VOTE IN A CERTAIN WAY JUST BECAUSE ONE ATTORNEY FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SAID SOMETHING THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD AUTOMATICALLY USE. I I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE ISSUE IS, NOT THE TRAINING. YEAH, I AGREE. BUT TO THAT POINT, I MEAN, AGAIN, YOU JUST TAUGHT US ALL SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT LEGAL DISTINCTION. AND THAT'S WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAY BETTER PREPARING OUR VOLUNTEERS TO UNDERSTAND THOSE TYPE OF LEGAL IMPLICATIONS OR POSSIBLE VIOLATIONS OF TRUST OR, OR CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION. AND WE DO DO, THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY. WE, WE DO DO P AND Z TRAINING. THEY DO GO TO THE STATE TRAINING. MM-HMM . SO THERE IS TRAINING, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY KNOW, THEY'RE THE FACT FINDERS WHEN THE APPLICATION MOVES TO COUNSEL, IT MAY BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT. AMENDED MAY BE THE SAME THING. MM-HMM . MAY BE THE SAME LEGAL OPINION, BUT IT MAY NOT BE. YEAH. AND THAT'S FAIR. THEY ALREADY, THEY ALREADY KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN TRAINED THAT. YEAH. AND THAT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT THEY'VE ALREADY KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH THE TRAINING. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE DEALING WITH A LARGE ORGANIZATION WITH THE EXPECTATION OR BETTER EXPECTATION, THE IMPROVEMENT. THE MAYOR SAID EARLIER, WE ALWAYS WANNA PROVE TO BE BETTER. WELL THEN MAYBE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME GAPS. THE LAST THING I WANNA DO IS DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM WANTING TO STEP UP TO VOLUNTEER. I THINK WE SHOULD INSTEAD BE APPROACHING THIS AS, LET'S SEE HOW WE CAN RESTRUCTURE HOW WE PREPARE, TRAIN, AND, UH, PROTECT OUR VOLUNTEERS IN A SENSE, BECAUSE THEY'RE REPRESENTING US IN THESE CAPACITIES. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY MISSED TO CHECK IN AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE PROCESSES ARE, WHAT THE PROPER PART OF IT IS, UM, WOULD BE BETTER, WOULD BE IN BETTER SERVICE OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. AND I, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT COMING OUTTA THIS, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME TRAINING BECAUSE IF, IF, YEAH, IF, IF CHAIRMAN OR ANYBODY ON THE PLAN ZONING IS TAKING THE OPINION OF, WELL, IF THE LAW SAYS THIS FOR US, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THAT WAY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL. THEY GIVE THE IMPRESSION. I MEAN, THEN THERE WON'T BE PEOPLE APPEALING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I DO THINK AT THE MINIMUM, THERE DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE SOME OVERALL TRAINING TO, UM, JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WE DO HAVE ON PLANNING AND ZONING UNDERSTAND THAT FOR SOME LAWS THAT THEY FOLLOW, THERE'S SOME LAWS THAT WE FOLLOW, THERE'S SOME LAWS THAT THEY HAVE THAT THEN THERE'S AN APPEAL PROCESS. AND THEN THE SAME WITH LIKE BZA. I MEAN, 'CAUSE SOME OF THESE BOARDS CAN GET US INTO A LOT OF TROUBLE IF, I MEAN, IF THE WRONG THING IS SAID OR LIKE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO SOMETHING AND YOU'RE OUT THERE PUSHING IT, UM, THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE TOO. I MEAN, I, I, I DON'T KNOW. HONESTLY, I KNOW THE PROTECTIONS OF COUNCIL MEMBERS WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT WE SAY AND DON'T SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS FOR OTHER PEOPLE. BECAUSE I KNOW THE EDC JUST RECENTLY GOT THE SAME PROTECTIONS A YEAR AGO THAT THE COUNCIL HAS BEFORE THAT THE EDC DIDN'T HAVE, UH, SOME OF 'EM, BUT, UH, CUSTOMER MORRIS, YOU WERE [00:30:01] GONNA YEAH. UM, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN ON PLANNING AND ZONING AND WORKED A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME. UM, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL IN SOME RESPECTS BECAUSE BESIDES THE, THE, THE EDC, WHICH IS A LEGISLATIVE MANDATED AND REGULATED, THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND THE ASSOCIATED ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS ALSO LEGISLATIVE REGULATED AND, AND GUIDELINES. SO, UM, TRAINING, I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE TRAINING ABOUT, I, I DON'T REALLY LIKE THE TOMA THING THAT CITY PUBLIC OFFICIALS, IT'S A, IT'S LIKE A ONE HOUR TAPE. IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THE TOMA. UH, SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS I THINK CAN GROW IN THAT, BUT THAT'S THE STATE THING. UM, BUT I, UH, I DON'T THINK THIS IS GONNA, THIS IS, UH, DISCOURAGING PEOPLE FROM COMING OUT. 'CAUSE AGAIN, PLANNING ZONING IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THE SCRUTINY'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THE, UH, ON THE, ON THE, UH, INTERVIEWS AND, AND HOW WE, UH, UM, UH, CHOOSE PEOPLE AND APPOINT PEOPLE. AND OBVIOUSLY THE CHAIR IS, IS AN INTEGRAL PART IN THAT SELECTION PROCESS. AND, AND I THINK WE GOT SOME GREAT PEOPLE ON THERE AND HAS BEEN ON THERE FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. UM, BUT I STILL GO BACK TO WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE ORIGINAL COMPLAINT IS OUTSIDE OF THIS PUBLIC FORUM. AND IT IS DISTURBING TO ME THAT SOMEONE HAS SAID THAT, THAT YOU CAN'T TRUST SOMEONE BECAUSE OF THIS. AND, UM, AND WHETHER THAT IS WORTHY OF A, A, A CHAIR POSITION OR WORTHY OF COMPLETE, UH, REMOVAL, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. UM, WHETHER IT'S A TEMPORARY REMOVAL FROM BEING A CHAIR UNTIL WE GET FURTHER INFORMATION, BECAUSE I THINK I NEED SOME MORE INVESTIGATION ON THE COMPLAINT SIDE. I THINK I UNDERSTAND FROM RICK'S SIDE WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT LEGAL AND OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SAID, AND ALL GOOD POINTS HERE. BUT I'M KIND OF THE POINT THAT I THINK THIS, I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS MORE. SO HOW DO I VOTE ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION THAT IF, IF THERE IS SUBSTANTIATION TO THE ORIGINAL COMPLAINT, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, AGAIN, OUTSIDE OF THIS, I HAVE CONCERNS FOR CONTINUING AS THE CHAIR. UM, BUT I DO NOT THINK IT SHOULD BE A DISMISSAL. I THINK RICK'S CONTRIBUTIONS OVER THE YEARS, UM, AND HIS, AND WORKING WITH HIM FOR ALMOST THREE YEARS, SIDE BY SIDE ON PLANNING AND ZONING, I'D HATE TO LOSE THAT ASSET, UH, AND CONTRIBUTIONS. AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE AND WHAT YOU STILL CAN DO. SO MY, MY TWO SENSES IS I, I WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND TO REMOVE FROM, FROM CHAIR UNTIL FURTHER UNDERSTOOD. I DON'T THINK, I WOULD NOT AGREE WITH REMOVAL COMPLETELY. WELL, I APPRECIATE THE WORDS. UM, I WOULD HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU. IF I HAVE LOST THE TRUST OF THE COUNCIL TO PERFORM MY DUTIES, THEN I SHOULD NOT BE ON THAT BOARD. WELL, UH, MAYBE I WAS, MAYBE I WAS, UH, NOT CLEAR. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE I'VE LOST TRUST IN YOU. I HAVE, I HAVE A LACK OF UNDER COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OF THE ISSUE. SO HOW DO I, HOW DO I TAKE CARE OF THE CITIZENS THAT ARE, HOW BEST CAN I TAKE CARE, WHICH MAY BE WRONG. UH, I'M, I'M INFALLIBLE. UM, UM, DON'T TELL MY WIFE THAT. SORRY, . UM, BUT, UH, I JUST THINK THE AIR ON THE CAUTION WAS TO TEMPORARILY REMOVE CHAIR. WE HAVE AN ACTING VA, WE HAVE A VICE CHAIR. I DON'T THINK ANYTHING WILL SKIP A BEAT. UH, WHICH IS THE WHOLE THING IS WE DON'T WANT TO DISRUPT THE P AND Z PROCESS. AND WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF CIP. WELL, Y'ALL HAVE FINISHED PRETTY MUCH, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK STILL GOING ON WITH THERE. AND I, I'D HATE TO LOSE THAT EXPERTISE AND THE KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU BRING ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. BUT UNTIL, I GUESS FOR ME, AS FURTHER NOTICE IS THAT LET'S, LET'S TEMPORARY OR REMOVE FROM CHAIR FOR THE MOMENT. BUT IT'S, DON'T TAKE THAT AS, I DON'T TRUST YOU. 'CAUSE I'VE WORKED WITH YOU. I KNOW YOU, I THINK AS A, AS AN INDIVIDUAL, I DON'T LACK TRUST IN YOU, IN YOUR, IN YOUR, UH, WORK ON THE P AND Z. I APPRECIATE THAT CONTEXT, JIM. YOU KNOW HIM BETTER THAN I DO, BUT I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT CONTEXT. WHAT YOU JUST ADDED IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE VALUE OF WHAT HE'S BROUGHT THIS INDIVIDUAL HAS BROUGHT TO THE WORK THAT HE'S DOING, HAS, IT HAS EARNED HIM TRUST. SO THIS IS NOT AN ONGOING ISSUE WITH MR. HUDSON. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED THAT WHATEVER THIS COMPLAINT WAS THAT HAPPENS LIKE A ONE-OFF. IT WASN'T, IT'S NOT LIKE WHAT I'M GONNA, WHAT I'M TRYING TO ESTABLISH, IS THIS AN BEEN AN ONGOING ISSUE WITH MR. HUDSON? WELL, I THINK WE DON'T KNOW THAT. OKAY. SO AGAIN, THERE'S, THERE'S STUFF THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED PUBLICLY HERE AND TRYING TO HONOR THE PRIVACY. AND I APPRECIATE, UH, MR. HUDSON'S HONORING THAT PRIVACY OF THE, OF THE COMPLAINANT. AND SO, UM, I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO THE COMPLAINANT, YOU KNOW, UH, I MEAN, FACE TO FACE, I'VE GOT, I, I HAVE UNDERSTANDINGS. UM, UH, TO ME, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE [00:35:01] THIS, IF THERE IS A FORMAL COMPLAINT, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME DOCUMENTATION THERE. THERE, LET ME JUST SAY, YES, SIR. THERE IS NO COMPLAINT OR COMPLAINANT. THIS PERSON HAS NOT COME FORWARD TO ME AND EXPRESSED A VERBAL COMPLAINT. AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, THERE'S NO WRITTEN COMPLAINT. IT'S A TWO PIECE OR VERBAL COMPLAINT TO ANYBODY. WHAT IN THE CITY MANAGER'S TEST, A TWO PART COMPLAINT OR JUST DISMISSAL DISCIPLINE. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. SO ANYWAY, I, AND I, AGAIN, I I THANK YOU FOR THE WORDS, BUT I, I AM OF THE OPINION THAT IF THERE IS A FEAR OR A CONCERN THAT I AM SOMEHOW UNDERMINING THE GOVERNMENT PROCESSES OF THE CITY, THEN ALLOWING ME TO CONTINUE WHERE I STILL HAVE THAT ACCESS WOULD BE AN EXCEPTIONALLY STUPID IDEA. WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. SO DO YOU AGREE THAT IF YOU'RE TALKING DEVELOPMENT MATTERS TO PEOPLE AFTER JANUARY, IT'S GONNA COME ACROSS WHETHER YOU LIKE OR NOT THAT YOU'RE THE PLANNING AND ZONING CHAIR? IT COULD BE THAT, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. IF THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S EQUIVALENT OF SAYING BEF AFTER I AM DONE WITH P AND Z OR WHEN I'M IN A DIFFERENT TOWN, AS, AS THE PLAN, LET ME, OKAY. IT'S LIKE, THIS IS FROM THE PHENOMENON MOVIE. CAN I SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK? SURE. SO I DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE STORY AND, AND I'M STILL A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ABOUT THE WHOLE THING, BUT THE TIMELINE THAT I'M SEEING, RIGHT, BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING, IS SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING TO THE VICE CHAIR. THE VICE CHAIR THEN SAID, HEY, TALK TO THE CHAIR. AND THEN AT THAT MOMENT, THEY TALKED TO YOU, AND THEN YOU SAID, WELL, I CAN'T GIVE YOU LEGAL ADVICE, BUT, UM, THE SAME LEGAL, SO THE VOTE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THE SAME, OR WHATEVER. MM-HMM . LOOKING AT THAT TIMELINE, YOU ARE REPRESENTING YOURSELF AS THE CHAIR RIGHT NOW. IF YOU HAD SAID YOU, YES, YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE, TO, TO THE CITY COUNCIL. MM-HMM . YOUR LEFT, YOU RAN INTO HIM AT WHEREVER, AND THE CON AND THE CONVERSATION CONTINUED, I CAN THEN SEE A CLEAR DIVISION THERE. OKAY? RIGHT. BUT BECAUSE IT WAS, MY ASSUMPTION IS AT THE MEETING, RIGHT AFTER THE MEETING, TO ME, THIS WAS THE FOLLOWING DAY, THE FOLLOWING MORNING, OKAY. ON MY PERSONAL CELL PHONE. THIS WAS NOT IN CHAMBERS, THIS WAS NOT ON CITY PROPERTY. RIGHT. BUT HE CONTACTED YOU AS THE CHAIR, NOT AS RICK. AGAIN, I'M, I'M, I'M JUST MAKING ASSUMPTIONS. RIGHT. OKAY. AND SO TO ME, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD THEN SAY THAT YOU'RE STILL ACTING AS THE CHAIR, IN MY OPINION. OKAY. AND THAT'S JUST FROM THE STUFF THAT I'M HEARING, ALL THAT KINDA GOOD STUFF. AND, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK I, I GO ALONG WITH, WITH JIM AS, AS FAR AS I KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. BUT I THINK THAT TO ME, EVEN FOR MYSELF, I'M VERY CAREFUL WHAT I SAY. BECAUSE IF PEOPLE DO KNOW THAT I'M THE A COUNCILMAN, THEN NO MATTER WHAT I DO, NO MATTER WHAT I SAY, IT CAN ALWAYS BE TAKEN OUTTA CONTEXT AS, OH, THE COUNCIL MEMBER MEMBER DID THIS. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO I'M ALWAYS VERY CAREFUL, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, I'M NOT A COUNCIL MEMBER ALL THE TIME, BUT, YOU KNOW, PARENT, I DON'T GET TO CHOOSE WHEN I'M NOT THE, THE, THE PERSON INTERACT WITH ME GETS TO CHOOSE WHETHER I'M NOT OR WHETHER I'M OR I'M NOT. AND THAT'S NEVER BEEN MADE CLEAR IN ANY OF THE TRAINING I'VE RECEIVED. WELL, YEAH, I'LL BE HONEST. I, I I THINK IT'S A, UM, I THINK IT'S JUST AN OB YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS LONG ENOUGH. YEAH. I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID. YOU MAY TAKE THE TIME OFF, BUT YOU DON'T GET TO DECIDE WHEN YOU'RE THE PNZ CHAIR. THE PERSON INTERACTING WITH YOU DETERMINES THAT. BECAUSE IF THEY'RE COMING TO YOU NOW, JUST THINK ABOUT THIS. ANYTIME A DEVELOPER OR ANYBODY TALKS TO YOU ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT ISSUE, THEY'RE NOT TALKING TO YOU. 'CAUSE RICK, JUST, RICK THE GUY, THEY'RE TALKING TO RICK, THE PLANNING AND ZONING CHAIR. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT IT. WHEN THEY TALK TO ME ABOUT A ISSUE WITH TRAFFIC OR ROAD OR POLICE, THEY'RE ALWAYS TALKING TO ME AS THE MAYOR, IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. WHY, WHY ELSE ARE THEY, WHY ELSE IS THIS STRANGER OR A PERSON YOU DON'T KNOW, CALLING YOU OUTTA THE BLUE TO DISCUSS A, A, A ZONING MATTER WITH YOU? UNLESS IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE THE PNC CHAIR. I MEAN, NO ONE CALLS ME JUST, HEY, I'M BORED AND I SAW YOUR PHONE NUMBER ON A BATHROOM WALL, AND SO I THOUGHT I'D CALL AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT SPEEDING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY'RE CALLING ME BECAUSE I'M THE MAYOR AND I HAVE TO TREAT IT AS SUCH. AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHAT I NEED YOU TO BE ABLE TO ACKNOWLEDGE. IF YOU CAN'T ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, THEN I DON'T, THEN IT, IT DOES LEAD ME NOT TO TRUST, BECAUSE THEN I'M LIKE, WELL THEN IF RICK DOESN'T GET THAT BASIC PRINCIPLE, WHEN A PERSON IN THE CITY COMES AND TALKS TO HIM ABOUT A ZONING OR PLANNING MATTER, THEY'RE COMING TO YOU. THE STRANGERS ARE COMING TO YOU AS YOU [00:40:01] BEING THE PLANNING ZONING CHAIR. IF, IF YOU CAN'T GET THAT, THEN MEAN I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO BECAUSE NO TRAINING'S GONNA GET THAT THROUGH. WELL, LET ME SET SOMETHING IN FOR A MINUTE. 'CAUSE SPEAKING A LOT OF HYPOTHETICALS. SO LEMME JUST ASK YOU, RICK, HYPOTHETICALLY, SINCE WE'RE USING HYPOTHETICALS MM-HMM . IF IT WAS A DEVELOPER WHO CALLED YOU OR SOMEBODY WITH THAT MOST CONSEQUENTIAL, UM, POWER OR, YOU KNOW, EFFECT, WOULD, WOULD YOU HAVE APPROACHED THAT CONVERSATION DIFFERENTLY? ABSOLUTELY. OR DID YOU APPROACH IT A CERTAIN WAY BECAUSE YOU WERE SPEAKING TO A PRIVATE CITIZEN WHO WAS NOT A DEVELOPER, OR I WAS SPEAKING TO A PRIVATE CITIZEN? I WAS NOT SPEAKING TO A DEVELOPER. AND IF, AND IF A, I EITHER, I THOUGHT IT WAS A DEVELOPER. SEE, THAT'S WHAT SO CONFUSING. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. THEY'RE COMING IF I CAN FINISH. YEAH. WE'RE QUESTIONING WHETHER HE HAS THE DISCERNMENT YEAH. TO CONTINUE TO SERVE. AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED HIM THAT QUESTION BECAUSE, WELL, WHAT IF IT WAS A DEVELOPER? WELL, THAT'S DIFFERENT. AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SET UP HERE AND THE TIME THAT HE SERVED, THAT HE WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT DIS I WOULD HOPE THAT HE WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT DISCERNMENT WHEN SPEAKING TO A DEVELOPER OR SOMEBODY THAT COULD PROVE TO BE THAT MUCH MORE CONSEQUENTIAL TO THE CITY. AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CITIZEN AND DEVELOPER? WELL, WHEN IT COMES TO P AND Z, I'M SURE THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE. WELL, I'M ASKING YOU, SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? WELL, A DEVELOPER IS COMING TO HIM WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT REAL, ACTUAL THINGS AND MONEY INVESTED. FROM WHAT I'M HEARING SO FAR, THE LIMITED THINGS THAT WE HAVE, THIS IS A PRIVATE, HAD A QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T GO A CERTAIN WAY, IT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE. AND BECAUSE HAVING A COMPLAINT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT WAS A VERY CONSEQUENTIAL DECISION. AGAIN, WE HAVE A SMIDGEN OF THE INFORMATION HERE. I AGREE WITH JIM THAT WE NEED A LOT MORE CONSTANT INFORMATION BEFORE MAKING ANY, ANY TERMINATION. BUT I'M CONFUSING PART IF IT'S A PRIVATE CITIZEN, WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO APPEAL? WOULDN'T THE DEVELOPER WANT TO APPEAL? THERE'S SO MANY QUESTIONS STILL THAT WE DON'T KNOW. PLUS THERE'S NO ACTUAL COMPLAINT OR CHARGE RIGHT NOW. WHAT ARE WE DEBATING HERE? YEAH, I I, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA BEAT THIS THING TOGETHER. YEAH. THEY HAVEN'T COME THROUGH, COME FORWARD WITH, WITH A CHARGE OR A COMPLAINT. SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT WE'RE DEBATING. I'M, I'M, I'M HAVING, I'M NOT SURE TO, IF THERE'S NO COMPLAINT WHY WE'RE DOING THIS, BUT WELL UNDER THE, UM, 5 5 1 0 7 4, YOU HAVE THE POWER TO APPOINT A PERSON AS THE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. YOU LIKEWISE HAVE THE POWER TO REMOVE OR DISCIPLINE UNDER THIS STATUTE. SO THAT'S THE QUESTION BEFORE COUNSEL, NOT THAT HE NEEDS TRAINING OR ANYTHING, IS, UM, WHAT YOU'VE HEARD TODAY, BASED ON YOUR DECISION, SHOULD HE BE DISCIPLINED? SHOULD HE REMOVE, BE REMOVED OR SHOULD HE STAY? OR, OR I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, UM, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING UNDER THERE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO SAY, 'CAUSE WE'RE WONDERING, HERE'S WHAT I'D SAY. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE COMPLAINT OTHER THAN WHEN A PERSON COMES TO ME, I THINK THERE'S A FEAR BY SOME. SO THE ISSUE IS THEY WERE UP TRYING TO GET SOMETHING DONE, AND A DECISION DID NOT GO THEIR WAY. THEY THOUGHT IT WAS WRONG. YEAH. AND SO IF THIS PERSON THEN FILES A COMPLAINT AND IT COMES BACK THROUGH THE PNZ, IF WE HEAR THE COMPLAINT NOW, WHAT'S, WHAT DO WE DO NOW? YEAH. NOW, NOW THERE'S HAVE FEAR THAT, WELL, NOW I'M REALLY NOT GONNA GET THE DECISION I WANT. SO I THINK THAT'S WHY PEOPLE GO TO ME. NOW, WHEN I WENT, THAT'S WHY I TALKED TO RICK FIRST ON OUR OWN, AND HE SAID THE SAME THING. HE IS KIND OF SAYING NOW IS, I REALLY DON'T WANNA GET INTO THE DETAILS OF IT. AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, THEN ALL I NEED TO KNOW IS WHAT I REALLY NEED TO KNOW AT THE END OF THE DAY IS, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DISCIPLINE OR GET THE POINT ACROSS, IS THAT AS A P AND Z CHAIR, THERE COMES POWER WITH THAT. AND I'M SORRY, BUT WHETHER YOU'RE A CITIZEN OR A DEVELOPER, EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO AFFECTS EVERY, HE'S DOING CIP. EVERYTHING THAT THEY VOTE ON, ON THE P AND Z AFFECTS EVERY CITIZEN IN THE CITY AFFECTS WITH WHERE THEY PLANT A TREE, WHERE THE SIDEWALK GOES, HOW WIDE THEIR DRIVEWAY CAN BE. AND SO WHEN PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES ABOUT OUR ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, WHETHER YOU BE A CITIZEN OR DEVELOPER, TO ME, NOT ONLY RICK, BUT THE ENTIRE P AND Z BOARD NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT STRANGERS DON'T CALL YOU OUT OF THE BLUE UNLESS THEY WANT TO TALK TO YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR POSITION, NOT BECAUSE YOU'RE A GREAT CITIZEN. AND YOU JUST HEARD THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A HYPOTHETICAL. THAT'S PEOPLE REACH OUT TO US AND I'M ALMOST POSITIVE. NO, THEY HAVEN'T. THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME IN EIGHT YEARS. WELL, I'M MAKE ON ASSUMPTIONS, ASSUMPTIONS, JIM. UM, I BEEN RUNNING ZBA, TOTALLY NOT AS LONG AS, AS, AS, UH, CHAIRMAN HUDSON BEEN EIGHT YEARS OVER DIFFERENT NON-CONTIGUOUS TIMES. UM, I THINK IT HAS A GREAT DISSERVICE TO CITIZENS TO SAY WE TREAT CITIZENS VERSUS DEVELOPER DIFFERENTLY ON THE PNZ. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S A AGENDA ITEM, A PUBLIC COMMENT. I TREAT EVERYONE THE SAME AS CITIZENS, HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS A DEVELOPER AS FAR AS BEING HEARD, UH, BEING, UH, UH, PROVIDE FEEDBACK IF APPROPRIATE AND, AND MAKE A DECISION. AND IF THERE IS A DECISION TO, UM, LISTEN TO, UM, THE, THE, THE SUPPORTERS ARE, ARE THE, ARE THE ONES THAT ARE DISAGREE, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE FACT, WHETHER IT'S THE INDIVIDUAL OR SOME IN, IN, AND THE CITIZENS. [00:45:01] SO AGAIN, I THINK IT HAS A GREAT DISSERVICE, SAY CITIZENS HAVE LESS RIGHTS OR LESS HAVE SHOULD LESS, UH, RESPECT THAN A DEVELOPER. THEY'RE ALL SAYING, UM, AND IT'S AS FAR AS A, YOU KNOW, UNKNOWNS, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF UNKNOWNS HERE. THE ONLY UNKNOWN IS A, IS A, IS A, IS A, IS A VIEWPOINT FROM LACK OF BETTER TERM COMPLAINANT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S COMPLAINT, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S A, AN ACCUSATION OR ASSERTION, AND THEN THERE'S ASSERTION. THOSE ONLY THING THAT ARE UNKNOWN HOW PNZ WORKS, HOW A CHAIR WORKS, TOMA, ALL THOSE ARE ARE KNOWN. THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT UNKNOWN. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HERE THAT ARE, ARE KNOWN. THE ONLY THING IS THE SPECIFIC CONVERSATION, UM, THAT I'M UN I'M UNAWARE OF. AND I, I'VE NOT TALKED TO RICK PERSONALLY NOR THE INDIVIDUAL. I FELT THAT IT WAS BEST FOR ME TO, TO BE HERE AND LISTEN TO HOW EVERYONE ELSE IS, IS UNDER HEARING IT AS WELL. UM, SO AGAIN, I I, AND THAT, THAT'S ALL I WANNA SAY. I MEAN, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYBODY ELSE? UH, ALL RIGHT. THANKS, MIKE. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM SEVEN. ONE, CONSIDERATION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS, REAPPOINTMENTS AND OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS. MAYOR AND COUNSEL, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO THAT ONE, IF YOU'RE GONNA TAKE ACTION, BECAUSE THIS WAS POSTED AS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM, ARE YOU GONNA DEFER YOUR ACTION TILL AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION OR DO YOU WANNA TAKE, MOVE UP THE ACTION ITEM FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE? WELL, I'D SAY JUST AFTER. OKAY. IF SOMEONE'S GONNA DO SOMETHING, [7.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, and Area Government appointments.] I SET ITEM SEVEN ONE, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS, REAPPOINTMENTS AND OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX AND REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS AND AREA GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS SUBCOMMITTEE HAS, HAS NOT MET IN RECENT WEEKS. UM, AND BUT I DO WANT TO BRING HIGHLIGHT TO, UM, AND, AND THESE MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE, BUT BASED ON, UM, OUR JOB POSTING OR APPLICATIONS FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND ALSO WHAT OUR WEBSITE SAYS, UH, WHERE THE VACANCIES ARE ON THE ETHICS COM, UH, COMMISSION ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION, WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES AND WE HAVE THREE APPLICANTS IN 2026 THAT WE HAVEN'T REVIEWED ALL OF THOSE ON THE DEIB, I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE VACANCY, MAYBE TWO 'CAUSE I THOUGHT MAYBE SOMEONE WAS MAYBE RETIRING. AND THAT'S THREE APPLICANTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPLIED SINCE 2026 ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING. I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE PERSON WHO IS, UH, RETIRING AFTER THEIR TERM. AND SO THERE'S ONE VACANCY. UH, I'M, I'M ANTICIPATING, AND WE HAVE THREE APPLICANTS FOR 2026. AND ON ZONING BOARD ADJUSTMENT, WE HAVE NO VACANCIES, BUT WE DO HAVE THREE ALTERNATES POSITIONS THAT ARE OPEN. AND WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE APPLICANT, UH, FOR 2026. UH, A LOT OF TIMES WITH PNZ AND SOME OF THESE OTHER COM OTHER COMMISSIONS, WE CAN, IF THEY DON'T WANNA BE ON THIS BOARD, MAYBE THEY WANNA BE ON THIS ONE FOR TEMPORARILY. I THINK ZBA IS A PERFECT TRAINING GROUND FOR BE ON PNZ. SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. UM, AND THIS DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ROLLING OFF AT THE END OF JUNE. SO THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RE-UP IF THEY'RE NOT, IF THEY, IF THEY HAVEN'T EXTENDED THEIR, UH, EXPIRED THEIR TE TERM. SO THIS COULD BE EVEN MORE. SO, UH, I'VE TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS. I WANT TO KIND OF CHANGE UP THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT. I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE THE, THE, THE NOMINATION AND THE VOTE AND EVERYTHING. BUT I WAS GONNA SEND OUT, 'CAUSE SOMEONE I FOUND NEIL GOV AND DON'T, NOT TRYING TO, TO, UH, DISPARAGE STAFF ON THIS. IT'S A LITTLE OUT OF ITS ELEMENT FOR JOB POSTINGS ON A BOARDS AND COMMISSION. I, WE HAVE GOT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, WE'RE REQUESTING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS JOB, SORRY RICK . BUT, UH, SO WE GOT THOSE KIND OF FILTERED OUT. BUT, UM, IT'S SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT VACANCIES ARE AND WHAT, WHAT BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS HAVE VACANCY, WHAT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HAVE APPLICANTS AND WHAT BOARDS, WHAT APPLICANTS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN REVIEWED OR NOT. UM, SO I'D LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT USING NEO GOV. SO THAT'S KIND OF ON ME IS THAT WE'VE, WHEN WE HAVE SOME FEEDBACK ON SOMEONE WE'VE EITHER INTERVIEWED AND, AND WE SAY, HEY, WE'D LIKE 'EM OVER HERE OR NOT HERE, OR WE'VE SAID, HEY, THIS IS A GOOD CANDIDATE, WE JUST DON'T HAVE A VACANCY. SO MOVE FORWARD INSTEAD OF HAVING TO RECREATE THE WHEEL AND HAVE THESE RE-INTERVIEWED EVERY TIME. SO I'M GONNA START SENDING OUT TO, TO, TO THE CITY MAYOR, I'M SORRY IF I COULD, I DON'T MEAN INTERRUPT YOU, BUT YES SIR. REALLY IT'S JUST FOR APPOINTMENTS AND REAPPOINTMENTS. YES, SIR. AND I THINK YOU'RE TALKING MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS. YES, SIR. OKAY. UM, SO MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE A BELL? WELL, NO, SOMEONE, SOMEONE TOOK IT. THERE WE GO. BUT I WOULD JUST SAY IT'S, I AGREE IT'S NOT APPOINTMENTS. WHAT WE CAN DO IS HAVE A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM FOR UM, THANK YOU SIR. THAT'S [00:50:01] IT. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? I, THAT ONE. ALRIGHT. [7.2. Consideration and possible action regarding recommendations or updates from City Council sub-committees (i.e. HISD).] SEVEN TWO CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RECOMMENDATIONS OR UPDATES FROM CITY COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEES. WE, THE ISD WE MEET QUARTERLY. UH, I DON'T THINK THAT'S COMING UP, DAN. WHAT, ANOTHER MONTH PROBABLY AT LEAST I THINK. YEAH. AND THEN THE, UH, FIRE SAFETY SUBCOMMITTEE. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING WEDNESDAY WITH, UH, SAMSUNG SCHEDULED. MM-HMM . WE MET WITH, UH, JUDGE SNOW. WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO MEET WITH COMMISSIONER BOWLES. I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. UM, HIS ASSISTANT GETS WITH US AND WANTED CLARIFICATION IF IT WAS A CITY OF THE EDC, WHAT IT WAS ABOUT. AND I SAID, I THOUGHT IT HAD TWO FOLLOW UP EMAILS THAT THERE'S AN UPDATE ON WHEN WE CAN MEET. STILL OPEN FOR THAT. WE DID MEET WITH, UM, WHO'S, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE PERSON? UM, THAT'S RUNNING FOR PRECINCT FOUR HARMON, UH, UH, HARMON. RAYA OR HARMON? YEAH, I THINK HARMON. I THINK IT'S R SOMEONE WHO'S RUNNING FOR PLACE FORWARD. WE'RE WORKING TO MEET WITH EVERY ELECTED PERSON OR PERSON RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE TO UNDERSTAND THEIR VIEWPOINTS AND THEN EXPRESS OUR, OUR VIEWPOINT. SO, UM, WE'LL HAVE MORE UPDATES WITH, UH, SAMSUNG, UM, AT THE NEXT MEETING. I MISSED ANYTHING. YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD THAT TWICE. I HAVE TALKED FACE TO FACE WITH COMMISSIONER BOWLES AND EXPLAINED ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED OF US OF WHY WHEN I'VE EXPLAINED TO HIM AT A POWER OF BREAKFAST AND, AND ONE OTHER TIME THAT I SAW HIM. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE'S A PUSHBACK ON MEETING WITH US. HE'S VERY, HE UNDERSTANDS VERY CLEARLY WHAT, WHAT WE WANNA MEET WITH HIM ABOUT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY HE'S KIND OF SHIRKING HIS. WE'LL KEEP ON THAT. UM, ALRIGHT, [7.3. Consideration and possible action regarding establishing City Council sub-committees for Capital Improvement Projects and for Fire Safety. (City Council)] NOW THESE IS 2 7 3 CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING ESTABLISHING CITY COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEES FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND FOR FIRE SAFETY. I THINK WE ALREADY DID THAT. THE CIP IS, UH, NAME'S JIMMY AND AARON. UH, RIGHT, THAT'S Q3, RIGHT? TO GO OVER THE CIP PROJECTS? YES. MM-HMM . YEAH. SO FAIR. THERE WAS AN OFFICIAL ACTION. I DIDN'T KNOW IF OH, I DON'T THINK THERE HAS TO BE ACTION. I THINK. OKAY. UH, ONLY GOT LIKE TWO POWERS IN THE CITY. READ THE, UH, READ THE, UH, AGENDA ITEMS AND PICK PEOPLE TO BE ON COMMITTEES. . UM, ALRIGHT. ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THAT OR COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, I'VE BEEN ASKED TO TABLE EIGHT ONE. WE GOT A MEMO ON EIGHT ONE. I DID ASK THAT STAFF UPDATE THE ME THE, UH, MEMO REGARDING THE ACCESS. UM, AS I READ IT, AND JAMES CAN TELL ME IF I'M READ THIS WRONG, THERE'S A LOT OF THESE THINGS WERE PROPOSED BY STAFF, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY WHY THEY AREN'T BEING IMPLEMENTED, WHETHER IT'S THE DEVELOPER SAYING THEY DON'T WANNA DO IT, WHETHER IT'S TEXT DOT OR WHETHER IT'S SOME OTHER REASON. SO I ASKED HIM IF HE COULD, UM, THEY COULD UPDATE THAT SO THAT WE COULD THEN HAVE A FULL PICTURE BEFORE WE MAKE ANY DECISIONS. A COMMENT. YES, SIR. UM, I, I SPOKE WITH CITY MANAGER ON MY ONE-ON ONE. I UNDER, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE, THAT THE ENDEAVOR, THE DEVELOPERS HAVE PULLED BACK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM, BUT I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A, A TRANSPORTATION AND TRAFFIC ISSUE AND IT, UH, I I I JUST WOULD ASK THE CITY MANAGER IF HE COULD ELABORATE IN TWO MINUTES OR SO OR LESS OR WHATEVER'S APPROPRIATE, KIND OF WHAT'S GOING ON. AND, AND IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THE CITY OF HU CAN ASSIST IN THIS PROCESS? UH, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER. UH, FOR THE RECORD, UM, JAMES ARP, CITY MANAGER. SO THE, THE SHORT OF IT, SINCE YOU SAID TWO MINUTES, , UM, THE ENDEAVOR PROJECT IS, IS, UH, TENTATIVELY, I GUESS, UH, LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF ONE 30 AND 79. AND, UH, INNOVATION BOULEVARD IS THE, IS THE CLOSEST ROAD THAT CONNECTS TO THE NORTH, UH, SIDE OF, OF THAT INTERSECTION. AND UM, THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT WHENEVER, UH, ENDEAVOR DEVELOPS THAT PARCEL FOR SPROUTS, WHICH IS WHAT HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, SAID IS GOING THERE, IT'S GOING TO GENERATE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF NEW TRIPS. AND WE ALREADY HAVE A TRAFFIC CIRCULATION ISSUE BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED MO, UH, MOVEMENTS THAT ARE ALLOWED WITH THE DEDICATED ACCESS ROAD FOR 79 AND IT GOING UNDER ONE 30 AND THEN ONE 30 NORTHBOUND, UH, FRONTAGE ROAD IS A, IS A, IS A RAMP WHERE YOU HAVE TO GET ONTO ONE 30 MM-HMM . SO THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC CIRCULATION PROBLEM THAT IF WE DON'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS, WE, WE ARE GOING TO LIKELY CAUSE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC PROBLEMS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. UM, AND THERE'S NO SIMPLE ANSWER, WHICH IS WHAT THE MAYOR'S ALLUDING TO TDOT IS, IS, UM, LIMITING, UH, [00:55:01] WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO LET HAPPEN AT THE INNOVATION INTERSECTION WITH THE NORTH ACCESS ROAD. AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET THE TURN MOVEMENTS FROM INNOVATION TO TURN ONTO THE ACCESS ROAD TO BE ABLE TO LOOP AROUND AND GO BACK EAST BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY OPTION TO GO EAST. SO THAT'S REALLY THE PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE TACKLED. AND THEN THE, THE MAIN REASON FOR IT TO COME TO COUNCIL IS SO THAT THERE'S PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND WE MAY NOT COME UP WITH THE BEST SOLUTION, BUT AT LEAST WE KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT LUMPS WE'RE TAKING, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE IS AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE COMING TO TALK ABOUT. SO HAS THE DEVELOPER GIVEN US A SPECIFIC REQUEST OF WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE US TO HELP WITH OR IS THAT STILL IN THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT A HELP. THERE'S A, THEY, THEY WANNA DO TWO RIGHT HAND TURN LANES AND CALL IT A DAY AND TEXT DOT TEXT IS NO TECH. WELL TEXT DOT'S SAYING NO TO OTHER OPTIONS AND WE'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT ENOUGH. OKAY. BECAUSE IT'S NOT ADDRESSING THE REAL ISSUES. OKAY. SO, SO WE'RE KIND OF AT A, WELL, WELL, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? WHAT DO WE NEED TO ASK THEM TO DO FOR OTHER IMPROVEMENTS? IT MAY HAVE TO PUSH TO ALLIANCE BOULEVARD OR IT MAY HAVE TO PUSH OUT AND, AND BEYOND. IT MAY HAVE TO BUILD A, A NEW, A NEW EXTENSION OF A ROAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I KNOW THAT, UM, THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE NORTHBOUND FRONTAGE ROAD OF ONE 30, NORTH OF 79 IS, IS THAT A POTENTIAL, BASICALLY A WEST DIRECTION EGRESS FOR SPROUTS, UH, BEFORE WE DO THE, THAT, THAT, THAT FRONTAGE ROAD, WELL, UH, BUILDING THE FRONTAGE ROAD FROM 79 UP TO LIMMER IS NOT CURRENTLY RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE WORKS. I AGREE. SO, UH, WELL WAIT, THERE'S A CFP PROJECT, THE DESIGN, THE, UH, STUDY TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO PAY TO GET UP THE STUDY. IS THAT STARTED? THAT'S THE FIRST STEP, RIGHT? YEAH. BUT THERE'S NO DEVELOPER THAT'S CURRENTLY SAYING, HEY, I'M GONNA BUILD IT LIKE WE HAVE NORTH OF LIMMER, BUT WE'VE FUNDED THE STUDY. RIGHT. ONCE WE FUND THE STUDY, SOMEONE, US OR A DEVELOPER WILL MORE THAN LIKELY PICK IT UP, PICK UP THE DESIGN. BUT I MEAN, SO I WOULD SAY IT IS SOMEWHAT IN PROCESS. IT JUST, YEAH. I, I JUST DON'T WANT TO ALLUDE THAT IT'S LIKE THE, THE ONE NORTH OF LIMMER WHERE YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER COMMITTED TO BUILDING IT, RIGHT? AND THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THAT DONE AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. HERE'S, AND HERE'S WHAT I'VE ASKED THE CITY MANAGER. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ASKING THE DEVELOPER PICK A SOLUTION AND THEY, WHAT ABOUT THIS? NO, THAT WON'T WORK. OKAY, WHAT ABOUT THIS? NO, THAT WON'T WORK. WHAT ABOUT THIS? WELL, IF YOU CAN GET TEXTILE, THEN TEXTILE SAYS, NO, THAT WON'T WORK. AND SO WHAT I'VE KIND OF ASKED IS, INSTEAD OF THEM BEING THE ONES WE, WHAT DO WE AS A CITY SAY WILL WORK IF, IF WE SAY A SPROUSE IS GONNA BE THERE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THESE TWO SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS IN THIS RETAIL, WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR US TO BE SATISFIED WHILE WE WAIT FOR ONE 30 TO BE WIDENED, THE FINANCIALS TO BE PUT IN? AND THEN TO ME, THAT SHOULD GO BACK TO DEVELOPER AND GO, HERE YOU GO. YOU'VE, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOW, I SAW, WE'RE PROPOSING A ROUNDABOUT AT, OH, EXCUSE ME, WAS IT ALLIANCE? A ROUNDABOUT ALLIANCE IN 79? MM-HMM . I JUST SAW A THING ON THAT WHERE WAS, THERE'S A ROUNDABOUT SOMEWHERE IN EXHIBIT. BUT ANYWAY, WHATEVER IT IS, TXDOT HAS TO APPROVE THAT. SO THE DEVELOPER COULD SAY, SURE, I'LL DO THAT. BUT IF TDOT SAYS, THAT'S NOT EVEN A STARTING CONVERSATION. OH, NO. YEAH. THAT THAT WAS AN, THAT WAS, IT WAS LIKE A MOD, A MODIFIED ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? SOMETHING I JUST, I JUST, YEAH. IT WAS A MODIFIED TYPE, UH, CONTINUOUS FLOW ON THAT, ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD. SO THE TRAFFIC COMING OFF OF INNOVATION COULD JUST MERGE INTO TRAFFIC AND BE ABLE TO GET OVER TO MAKE THE LEFT HAND TURN. BUT TEXDOT SHOT THAT DOWN AND SAID NO. BASICALLY THE ONLY OPTIONS THAT WE CAN REALLY COME UP WITH AS A STAFF IS TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO, UH, INNOVATION AND, UM, OR, OR GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER NORTH TO, I THINK IT WAS THE, UH, SCHNEIDER BOULEVARD PORTION THAT COMES OVER. MM-HMM . IS TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS UP THERE AND PUSH THE TRAFFIC EITHER BACK TO ED SCHMIDT MM-HMM . AND THEN IMPROVE THE INTERSECTION AT EMORY FARMS AND ED SCHMIDT, WHICH IS QUITE A WAYS FROM THE SPROUTS. BUT IF YOU WANT TO GO SOUTH OR IF YOU WANT TO GO EAST, IT CAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT TIME DOING THAT FROM WHERE THAT PARCEL IS CURRENTLY ASSOCIATED. UM, EVEN IF YOU DID ALLIANCE AT 79 ALLIANCE IS, IS RIDE OUT ONLY. SO YOU'RE GONNA END UP GOING BACK WEST AND YOU HAD TO GO BACK UP UNDERNEATH THE FREEWAY AGAIN AND LOOP BACK AROUND OR GO DOWN ANOTHER MILE AND A HALF TO THE NEXT RED LIGHT TO LOOP AROUND. SO IT'S REALLY THE ISSUE OF TRYING TO GET THE TRAFFIC FLOW SO WE DON'T END UP APPROVING A PROJECT THAT WE KNOW IS GONNA CREATE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM WITHOUT HAVING DECIDED, HEY, WE'RE OKAY WITH IT, CREATING A TRAFFIC PROBLEM, OR HEY DEVELOPER, YOU NEED TO DO THESE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS. AND GRANTED, IT MAY NOT BE THE BEST FOR EVERYBODY, BUT AT LEAST PEOPLE HAVE A WAY TO FLOW. SO, AND THAT'S ALL I'M HOPING IS, YEAH, [01:00:01] YOU GUYS, BY THE NEXT MEETING, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE OKAY WITH. AND THEN, THEN WE CAN SAY, DEVELOPER, YOU EITHER GOTTA DO IT ALL OR WE CAN SAY, HEY, MAYBE THE EDC CAN HELP OUT OR WE CAN HELP OUT, OR THE PROJECT DIES. BUT I THINK WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE IS EVERYTHING THEY PROPOSE IS NOT WORKING AND THERE IS NO GREAT SOLUTION. BUT I THINK IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS TO FIND OUT WHAT THE BEST SOLUTION IS. YEAH. AND THEN WE NEED TO EITHER TELL, LIKE I SAID, TELL 'EM TO DO IT ALL ON THEIR OWN. WE'LL HELP 'EM OUT SOME OR THEY CAN HAVE OTHER DEVELOPERS HELP 'EM OR THE PROJECT DIES. YEP. UM, BUT I MEAN, THAT'LL, YOU GUYS HAVE A DIFFERENT NO, I LOOK AND THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. YEAH. THANK YOU SENIOR MANAGER FOR YOUR TWO MINUTES. IT WAS VERY, VERY THICK AND HEALTHY. WHAT YOU GET FOR GIVING ME TWO MINUTES. I LIKE IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO NO ACTION ON THAT ITEM TODAY. UM, NEXT [9. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS] WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE ITEMS NINE ONE THROUGH NINE 14. WHAT WE DO ON THESE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER IS IF THERE'S AN ITEM, YOU CAN APPROVE THEM ALL AT ONCE AND YOU CAN HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND THEN YOU CAN STILL COMMENT ON IF YOU JUST WANNA SAY LIKE, HEY, I SUPPORT THIS, OR I DON'T SUPPORT THAT, OR WHATEVER. OR YOU CAN HAVE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS THAT YOU WANT, UH, STAFF OR A DEVELOPER LIKE, UM, TANYA'S OUT THERE. 'CAUSE SHE'S ON THE CONSENT. IF YOU WANTED TO HEAR ABOUT HER ITEM, YOU COULD PULL THAT ITEM AND THEN SHE WOULD COME UP. AND SO YOU'RE ABLE TO PULL EACH ITEM INDIVIDUALLY OR APPROVE AS A BLOCK. OKAY. SO IT'S, SOMETIMES IT GOES QUICK AND SOMETIMES WE BOG DOWN ON IT. BUT, SO FOR NINE ONE AND NINE FOUR, IF THERE'S ANY OF 'EM THAT YOU ALL WISH TO HAVE PULLED? YES SIR. NINE 14. NINE 14. WE WISH TO HAVE NO, NO, NO, NO. YOU SAID BETWEEN NINE ONE AND NINE FOUR. I'M SAYING BETWEEN NINE ONE OH YEAH. NINE 14. SORRY, LIKE I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM 14. I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NINE. FIVE, UH, 9, 8, 9, 9, 9, 10, 9, 8, 9, 9, 9 10. ANY OTHERS? SO WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE 9 1 9 2 9 3 9 4 9 6 9 7 9 11, 9 12, 9 13, AND NINE 14 AS PRESENTED. SO MOVE SECOND. PORTER FILLED WITH A MOTION AND MORRIS A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THOSE ITEMS? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER ZEDA AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. [9.5. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2026-120 approving Supplemental Agreement No. 3 to the Professional Services Agreement for Landscape Architecture Services between the City of Hutto and Studio 1619, in the amount of $19,840, for work related to the Emory Farms Archway project (T11-2023). (Kate Moriarty)] NEXT WE HAVE ITEM NINE FIVE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2026 DASH 20 APPROVING SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT NUMBER THREE TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE SERVICES BETWEEN THE CITY OF HUTTO AND STUDIO 1619 IN THE AMOUNT OF $19,840 FOR WORK RELATED TO THE EMORY FARMS ARCHWAY PROJECT T 11 DASH 2023. KATE, GOOD EVENING. HELLO. I DIDN'T CATCH WHAT EXACTLY DID THEY DO? BECAUSE FROM WHAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD TO PLAN, AND I'M PROBABLY WAY UNDER DOING THIS, THE ONLY THING I NOTICED DIFFERENT, JUST 'CAUSE I DRIVE THROUGH THERE A LOT, IS WE PLANTED A TREE. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS A SUPPLEMENTAL AND THIS WAS NOT JUST FOR THEIR ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES, THIS WAS FOR BID FACE SERVICING. I BELIEVE MR. WAGNER IS HERE WITH STUDIO 1619. SO HE CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT WHILE I PULL UP THE, THE SUPPLEMENTAL. BUT IT WAS ADDITIONAL WORK THAT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED BETWEEN STUDIO 1619 AND STAFF HERE AND WAS PERFORMED. AND THIS IS KIND OF SOMETHING THAT WE'VE FOUND, UM, THROUGH OUR PROGRESSION WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. SO WHEN WE BID THIS PROJECT OUT, WE JUST, WE DIDN'T BID WITH THE SERVICES WE NEEDED TO. CORRECT. SO EFFECTIVELY WHAT IT ORIGINALLY HAPPENED WAS THE, UH, DESIGN WAS AWARDED, BUT CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES WERE NOT INCLUDED. REMEMBER THERE WAS A TIME, WAIT, WHAT IS THAT FOR US? 'CAUSE THAT THAT'S WHERE THE ENGINEER'S IN CHARGE OF, UH, MANAGING THE CONTRACTOR, MAKING SURE THAT THE, THEY THEY'RE DOING THEIR FIELD INSPECTIONS, THAT THE CONTRACTOR'S BUILDING IT THE WAY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO, THAT SORT OF STUFF. ALSO, IT USUALLY IS BIDDING. SO THEY USUALLY PREPARE THE BID DOCUMENTS. UM, SOMETIMES THEY WILL EVEN SCORE THEM DEPENDING ON WHETHER WE'RE CHOOSING TO DO THAT OR NOT. UM, SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND THEN THEY CLOSE IT OUT AND DO ALL THEIR CERTIFICATIONS. WHAT, UH, YOU MAY REMEMBER THERE, THERE WAS A TIME WHERE WE WERE DOING LIKE ALL THOSE INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTS AND COUNCIL BASICALLY GAVE DIRECTION TO STOP DOING THAT BECAUSE IT FELT LIKE WE WERE NICKEL AND DIMMING. 'CAUSE WE WERE ONLY DOING LIKE APART AND THEN APART AGAIN AND THEN APART AGAIN. SO THEN WE WRAPPED IT ALL UP. WELL THESE GUYS GOT APPROVED RIGHT BEFORE WE CHANGED IT AND, UH, DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WERE EXPECTED TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES TOO. SO THEY DID PERFORM THEM AND THEN STAFF WAS SUPPOSED TO COME BACK WITH ONE MORE CHANGE ORDER TO TO, AS THAT TRANSITION HAPPENED. THAT CHANGE ORDER NEVER HAPPENED. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE IDENTIFIED AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH ENGINEERING [01:05:01] AND GETTING CLEANED UP. SO STUDIO 1619 HAS BEEN SITTING ON A $19,000. YOU KNOW, WE DID THE WORK, BUT WE DIDN'T GET PAID. SO WE'RE CLEAR THAT, SO THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS GONNA BE RECURRENT OF THEM. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW. THEY LEARNED THAT AFTER THE FACT. AND SO HOW WOULD THEY KNOW IF WE DON'T TELL THEM WHEN WE'RE BIDDING OUT THE WORK OR WE'RE IT IT'S, IT'S IN THE DOCUMENTS NOW, BUT THIS WAS RIGHT AT THE TRANSITION PHASE. OKAY. THAT, THAT THEY WERE SELECTED AND WE HAD AN EXPECTATION THAT THEY WERE GONNA DO THIS OTHER WORK AND MANAGE IT AND THEY DID NOT KNOW THAT OR INCLUDE THAT IN THEIR SCOPE. SO THEY WENT AHEAD AND PERFORMED THE WORK. YEAH. SO, I'M SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. SO I THINK, 'CAUSE THIS GOES TO THE ROOT PROBLEM OF WHY I THINK WE HAVE SO MANY ISSUES IS WE PUT SOMETHING OUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW, BUT HOW WOULD THEY KNOW UNLESS WE TELL THEM. RIGHT. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING BACK TO 24. NO, I KNOW, BUT IT JUST SEEMED TO BE IMPRESSING. WHAT, HERE'S WHAT THE MESSAGE I'M HEARING IS THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY DID THE WORK AND SO WE KIND OF GOTTA MAKE IT UP. AND WHAT REALLY THE MESSAGE, I THINK OUGHT TO BE, WHICH IS A SMALL TWIST, IS WE DIDN'T COMMUNICATE TO THEM THE WORK THAT WE EXPECTED THEM TO DO. AND SO THEN THEY DID MORE THAN THEY SIGNED ON FOR AND NOW WE NEED TO MARRY TOGETHER. SEE WHAT I MEAN? A LITTLE CHANGE HERE, IT'S GOES FROM THEIR FAULT. THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO THIS AND THEY DIDN'T PUT IN THEIR SCOPE. THAT'S THAT'S THEIR FAULT. IT'S HOW I HEAR THAT. AND THEN REALLY THE PROBLEM IS WE DIDN'T TELL THEM, WE DIDN'T COMMUNICATE TO THEM. WE DIDN'T HAVE IN OUR DOCUMENTS. AND SO THEY DID WHAT WAS IN THE DOCUMENTS I GUESS AT THAT TIME. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE HOLDING OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE BECAUSE IT'S $20,000 THAT ON A PROJECT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN CLOSED OUT, THAT WE NEED TO PAY THE PEOPLE. IT'S MORE, IT'S MORE LIKE THIS, IT'S MORE LIKE THE CONTRACT DID NOT INCLUDE THE EXTRA WORK WE EXPECTED. GOT IT. BUT WE EXPECTED THE ADDITIONAL WORK. SO ONCE THEY REALIZED THAT, THEY SAID, OKAY, HERE'S A CHANGE ORDER. YEAH. AND THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT BACK TO COUNSEL. AT WHICH POINT IN TIME EVERYTHING WOULD'VE BEEN PATCHED UP. THEY PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION, THEY EXPECTED A CHANGE ORDER TO HAPPEN AND THE CHANGE ORDER NEVER HAPPENED. SO. GOTCHA. WHEN WE DID THE TRANSITION IN ENGINEERING, WE SENT OUT A BLAST EMAIL TO ALL OF OUR CONTRACTORS AND SAID, HEY, DO YOU HAVE ANY OUTSTANDING INVOICES? AND IF SO, LET US KNOW BECAUSE WE NEED TO RESEARCH THEM AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. AND THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS, THAT WAS THIS TIMELY, LIKE FROM WAY BACK THEN. I GOTCHA. YEAH. YEAH. I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE COST. I MEAN I AM, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT HOW WE GOT, I I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. YEAH. BUT I KNOW THIS IS WHY, I MEAN FOR THE PUBLIC, WHY WE HAVE MADE SO MANY CHANGES WITH OUR PROCESSES IS BECAUSE THIS IS JUST SOME CURB WORK AND WE ARE ON OUR THIRD CHANGE ORDER. AND THAT WAS A HELL OF A PROJECT FOR YES SIR. I MEAN, SO JAMES, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO YES SIR, WE, SO WE, WE ASKED FOR EXTRA WORK THAT WASN'T ORIGINALLY IN THE CONTRACT IN SCOPE, RIGHT? CORRECT. THEY DIDN'T GIVE US A CHANGE ORDER. THEY DID GIVE A CHANGE ORDER. THEY DID REQUEST THE CHANGE ORDER IN JANUARY OF 25. OKAY. SO THERE WAS A CO FOR THEY REQUESTED IT. NOW DID IT GET PROCESSED? DID IT GET TO COUNCIL? NO. OKAY. SO, AND THEN WHENEVER WE DID JANUARY OF 26 ASKING IF ANYBODY HAS OUTSTANDING INVOICES, 'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHOLD OF, THEY REMINDED YOU THAT THEY SAID YES, ACTUALLY WE DO. AND HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED. AND WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, WE NEED TO GET YOU SQUARED AWAY. OKAY. SO WHAT HAVE WE DONE TO FIX THAT PROBLEM? SO A PERSON PUTS A CHANGE ORDER IN AND FIVE MONTHS GOES BY OR FOUR MONTHS GOES BY. WHAT HAVE WE DONE INTERNALLY TO MAKE SURE THEY PUT A CHANGE ORDER IN? IT'S PROPERLY DONE IN A TIMELINE? KATE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. SO FORTUNATELY YOU ALSO JUST APPROVED, UM, A A AN AGREEMENT WITH A CONSULTANT THAT IS GOING TO HELP FORMALIZE A LOT OF THE PROCEDURES THAT WE HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTING. BUT NOW WE HAVE STOOD UP EFFECTIVELY SEVERAL DIFFERENT TRACKERS. SO THERE IS ONE TRACKER THAT THE ENGINEERING ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT KIND OF PULLS ALL THE RESOLUTIONS THAT YOU ALL APPROVE INTO. AND THERE IS A PARTICULAR WAY THAT SHE ORGANIZES THAT TO DETERMINE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WHICH ONE OF THOSE AGREEMENTS HAS A, HAS HAD A PURCHASE ORDER, WHICH ONE HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, SENT TO THEIR RESPECTIVE CONTRACTOR, CONSULTANT, WHATEVER. AND THOSE ARE ALL BEING FUNNELED THERE IN THAT SPECIFIC SPREADSHEET. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN A SERIES OF DIFFERENT POINTS OF ORGANIZATION THAT WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED OVER THE LAST TWO, THREE MONTHS. 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THE POINT, BUT YEAH. THIS IS NOT A PROCESS ISSUE. AND IF I DON'T PAY MY WATER BILL AND IT GOES LIKE 15 DAYS LATE MM-HMM . YOU GUYS JUST COME OUT AND SHUT MY WATER OFF AND THAT'S ON ME. AND WHEN A PERSON PUTS IN A PAY APPLICATION OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT MM-HMM . TO ME, THERE'S GOTTA BE A PROCESS TO WHERE THEY GET PAID. AND IF THIS THING WILL FIX IT, THAT'S GREAT. BUT FREQUENTLY THIS IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M USING EIGHT DAYS AND YOU KNOW WHY I'M USING EIGHT DAYS, BUT EIGHT DAYS I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM THIS PERSON. IT'S LIKE, OH, [01:10:01] OH YEAH, I FORGOT. YEAH. OKAY. GO AHEAD. DO THIS. AND SO PEOPLE ARE SITTING AROUND WAITING AND WAITING ON THE GOVERNMENT AND THEN WE TELL EVERYBODY, WELL IF THEY DID A BETTER JOB GENERALLY THEN OUR JOB WOULD BE EASIER MM-HMM . AND SOMETIMES IT'S US. SO WHATEVER WE GOTTA DO, YOU GUYS KEEP BRINGING WHATEVER WE GOTTA DO FROM A PROCESS OR SOME NEW SYSTEM, WHATEVER WE GOTTA DO TO MAKE IT TO WHERE WE'RE MORE EFFICIENT TO WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THIS STUFF SITTING OUT. 'CAUSE TODAY IT'S 19,000, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN LIKE $585,000 AND YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T GET THE SAME VOTE YOU WILL IN THE 19,000. WE MAY JUST TELL THE GUY SORRY MM-HMM . BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. UNDERSTOOD. BUT KATE, HAS THERE BEEN A PROCESS AND PROCEDURE SET IN PLACE NOW BECAUSE OF THIS? SO THAT IS WHAT WE'VE EFFECTIVELY CREATED WITH ROXANNE, OR EXCUSE ME, ENGINEERING ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT. SO SHE HAS WEEKLY MEETINGS WITH THE INTERIM CITY ENGINEER TO GO OVER WHAT INVOICES ARE CURRENTLY IN PROCESS, WHICH ONES HAVE BEEN RECEIVED. UM, WE'VE ADDED ADDITIONAL CHECKS, CHECKS AND BALANCES, IF YOU WILL, ON THE PROCESSING OF THOSE INVOICES. WE HAVE INSTITUTED A WEEKLY CIP MEETING WITH ALL RELEVANT STAFF. UH, THE FINANCE DIRECTOR ATTENDS WHEN SHE CAN. AND THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ANOTHER POINT OF REDUNDANCY OF, HEY, I HAVEN'T, UH, MAYBE THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGES, HEY, WE HAVEN'T PAID THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACTOR IN THREE, FOUR WEEKS. THAT THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT TO ME. LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? AND THAT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT COMMUNICATION TO OPEN UP WHERE MAYBE IT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO PREVIOUSLY. SO IF A, UM, CONTRACTOR SUBMITS A A CHANGE ORDER MM-HMM . IS THAT ENTERED INTO THE SYSTEM AND THEN THE SYSTEM FLAGS SOMEBODY IN, IN A PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT IF THEY'RE MISSING A CHANGE ORDER? NO. IF THEY JUST SUBMIT A CHANGE ORDER. OKAY. IT SHOULD BE ENTERED INTO THE SYSTEM MM-HMM . AND THEN THE SYSTEM SHOULD BE ABLE TO FLAG THAT AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS HANGING OUT HERE, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. THE INTENTION IS TO GET THERE TO WHERE IT IS AT LEAST SOMEWHAT AUTOMATED, PROBABLY USING A RESOURCE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, WHICH IS MS PLANNER. BUT CURRENTLY HOW THAT IS BEING ALLEVIATED IS A CONTRACTOR SUBMITS THE NEED FOR A CHANGE ORDER AND THAT IS THEN DISCUSSED AT THAT WEEKLY CIP MEETING. AND THEN THERE ARE ACTION ITEMS THAT FOLLOW WHATEVER THAT RESPECTIVE DISCUSSION IS. IE THAT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED AND PLACED ON AN AGENDA. UH, THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE DOCUMENTATION BECAUSE THE CHANGE ORDER DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONTEXT INTO LIKE WHY IT'S BEING REQUESTED, ET CETERA. SO THAT IS THE ANOTHER POINT OF REDUNDANCY IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS HAPPENING. AND TO ENSURE THAT THESE FOLKS ARE GETTING RESPONSES AT A MINIMUM. YOU, YOU, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND OUR FRUSTRATION. YES. YEAH, VERY MUCH SO. OKAY. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THERE'S A NEW PROCESS BEING IMPLEMENTED AND YOU'RE UTILIZING NEW TOOLS AND SOFTWARE. SO IS THERE A PLAN TO MEASURE THE OUTCOMES OF THIS IMPROVEMENT PROCESS? AND IF SO, WHEN CAN COUNCIL EXPECT TO HEAR WHAT CHANGES OR WHAT IMPROVEMENTS HAVE COME FROM THAT? SO I THINK PART OF THAT, SO I'M KIND OF GOING THROUGH MY BRAIN HERE. SO PART OF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING, WHICH I HOPE WILL ALLEVIATE AND I THINK WE CAN MEASURE WITH SOME OF THE KPIS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, IS A REVISED CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT THAT, UM, WILL BECOME OUR NEW TEMPLATE AND WILL SERVE AS A, UM, HOPEFULLY AN ALLEVIATION OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL ARE SEEING NOW, LIKE CHANGE ORDERS FOR RAIN DAYS OR A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE SCOPE IS UPFRONT AND THEN HAVING TO COME BACK FOR SOMETHING LATER ON. UM, THERE HAS ALSO BEEN, I THINK, RECENT DISCUSSION ON WHY WASN'T THIS DISCOVERED IN THE DESIGN PHASE FOR THIS PARTICULAR THING. WHY IS THIS JUST COMING UP NOW WHEN WE'RE HALFWAY INTO THE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, THERE ARE PROCESSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE DEVELOPED LARGELY THROUGH WHAT I HAD JUST MENTIONED, WHAT YOU ALL JUST APPROVED WITH LOCHNER. SO THEY ARE GOING TO BE HERE FOR 10 WEEKS EFFECTIVELY INTERVIEWING ALL OF OUR ENGINEERING STAFF AND HELPING US DEVELOP AND IDENTIFY WHAT SOPS WE NEED AND TRAINING OUR STAFF ON THEM. YEAH. USUALLY WE USE A CONSULTANT LIKE THAT, LIKE LOCHNER. THEY'RE GONNA ALSO LET US KNOW HOW THEY'RE GONNA MEASURE THE OUTPUT SO THEY CAN REPORT BACK HOW SUCCESSFUL THEY WERE OR BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY FURTHER GAPS IN THE PROCESS THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE CHANGED OR ANYTHING NEW THAT MAYBE WE HADN'T THOUGHT OF INITIALLY WHEN WE BROUGHT THEM IN MM-HMM . SO HAVE THEY SHARED WITH US OR WITH THE STAFF WHAT THOSE MEASURE, WHAT'S GOING TO BE MEASURED, WHAT THOSE, HOW THOSE OUTCOMES ARE GONNA BE MEASURED, WHAT DATA AND WHEN WOULD BE REPORTED BACK, IS THERE A TIMELINE? SO WE DIDN'T END UP INCLUDING IN THE SCOPE KPIS PER SE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T FEEL WE WERE READY FOR EMPLOYEE SPECIFIC OR POSITION SPECIFIC KPIS. OKAY. UM, THERE IS GOING TO BE AN INITIATIVE BETWEEN MYSELF AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AS A TEAM WITH THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF STRATEGIC OPERATIONS TO DEVELOP INTERNAL AND FRONT FACING KPIS SO WE CAN SEE HOW EFFECTIVE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE SOPS ARE. OKAY. THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH. [01:15:01] THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2026 DASH 20 AS PRESENTED. SECOND, SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KING. UH, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE MAYOR PRO TIM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. [9.8. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2026-122 authorizing the City Manager to execute an Agreement Regarding the Release of Annexation and Development Agreement by and between the City of Hutto and Barbara Jane Graves. (Sara Cervantes)] NEXT WE HAVE ITEM NINE EIGHT CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2026 DASH 1 22 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT REGARDING THE RELEASE OF ANNEXATION AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF HU AND BARBARA JANE GRAVES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THESE AS I SPOKE WITH CITY MANAGER, UM, YESTERDAY EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT I, I SEE THESE ANNEXATIONS AND I'M NOT REAL CLEAR ON THE, I THINK IT'S SENATE BILL 2038. UM, YEAH, 2038. ESSENTIALLY, I GUESS WE CAN, CITIZENS CAN BASICALLY ASK FOR RELEASE OF, FOR ANNEXATION KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE WE, I'M WORRIED ABOUT HAVING ALL THESE DONUT HOLES IN OUR, IN OUR CITY AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO ANYTHING, UM, OR IF WE NEED TO GO TO THE LEGISLATURE. I, I KNOW SENATE BILL 2038 IS UP FOR CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW MM-HMM . AND ANY OF THESE AGREEMENTS IN NINE EIGHT AND NINE NINE, I'M KIND OF TALKING ABOUT BOTH OF THESE. I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T SAID THEM, BUT MY ISSUES ARE THE SAME. IS THAT, UM, ANNEXATION IS THAT IF, IF IF 20, IF SENATE BILL 2038 IS ISRAEL CONSTITUTIONAL, THEN ALL THESE ANNEXATIONS ARE NULL AND VOID. I THINK THESE ETJD ANN JUST EDJ. OKAY. SO ONCE YOU'RE ANNEX INTO THE CITY, YOU CAN'T GET OUT. CAN'T DNX. OKAY. SO IT'S JUST ETJ, BUT THAT MAKES YOU FEEL A LITTLE BETTER. AM I RIGHT IN SAYING THAT THIS IS JUST FOR GETTING OUT OF OUR ETJ? CORRECT. UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, SARAH CERVANTES, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. THAT IS CORRECT. UM, AND THESE PARTICULAR PROPERTIES, THEY EXIST IN OUR ETJ, UH, AND THEY HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN LIEU OF ANNEXATION. SO MAYBE FIVE, 10 YEARS AGO, CITY COUNCIL AT THE TIME, UH, WENT TO THESE PROPERTY OWNERS AND SAID, HEY, WE'RE GONNA ANNEX YOU. RIGHT. WE'RE GONNA ANNEX YOU NOW. UM, THERE WERE NOT CITY SERVICES OUT TO THESE PROPERTIES. SO THEY SAID, EITHER ANNEX NOW AND ESSENTIALLY PAY FOR SERVICES THAT AREN'T AT YOUR PROPERTY YET, OR SIGN THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT SAYS IF YOU CHANGE THE USE OF YOUR PROPERTY, THEN YOU WILL ANNEX AT THAT TIME. MM-HMM . SO THOSE ARE THE, UM, IF YOU LOOK ON OUR, OUR MAP IN GENERAL, THOSE WHERE KIND OF THOSE LITTLE POCKETS ARE WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL EXISTING AT THE TIME TRIED TO KIND OF REMEDIATE YEAH. SOME OF THIS ISSUE OF HAVING, UM, RANDOM POCKETS OF ETJ OR COUNTY SPECIFICALLY GOVERNED DEVELOPMENT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. UH, BUT THE MAYOR'S CORRECT, THESE ARE FOR PROPERTIES EXISTING IN THE ETJ. OKAY. WELL, , BUT I THINK YOU DO BRING UP A CONCERN BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE AGREE NOT TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO OUR PROPERTY MM-HMM . WE DON'T WANNA DO LIKE THE HANSON PROPERTY NORTH OF LIMMER. MM-HMM . THAT'S AN ETJ. MM-HMM. SO IF ALL OF SOMEBODY SAID, AH, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DE ANNEX, WELL THEN THAT'S YEAH. YOU CAN BUILD ONE THING IN THE COUNTY WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE COUNTY REGS, IT'S COMPLETELY WIDE OPEN MM-HMM . WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT'S, AND I THINK THIS DATA CENTER GOES BACK TO MM-HMM . IN 2019, UM, THE CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME TRIED TO ANNEX THE ENTIRE ETJ MM-HMM . UM, BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING READY TO CHANGE THE LAW THAT WAS GONNA STOP. I THINK IT WAS TIER TWO CITIES FROM FORCIBLY ANNEXING. AND SO WE HAD THIS BIG PUSH, THEY WERE OUT TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY EITHER GONNA BE FORCIBLY ANNEXED OR YOU GOTTA SIGN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND WE HAD, WE MET THE, UH, SATURDAY ON MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND, WE MET TO TRY TO GET THROUGH LIKE 40 OR 50 DIFFERENT PROPERTIES TO TRY TO HURRY UP AGAIN THROUGH BEFORE THE GOVERNOR SIGNED A LAW. AND SO I THINK SOME OF THESE PEOPLE, UM, IN MY OPINION AS THE MAYOR MIGHT HAVE BEEN FORCED TO SIGN SOME AGREEMENTS ON AREAS THAT I DON'T SEE US EVER SPENDING TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO RUN A SEWER LINE TO CATCH THE PERSON TO VERY TOP OF THE CCN TO ME THAT'S BETTER SERVED BY ROUND ROCK AND THEY HAVE UTILITIES MORE IN THE AREA OR THE PEOPLE CAN DO SEPTIC, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD USE OF OUR UTILITY MONEY, WHICH I THINK IT'S MAINLY UTILITY ISSUES, RIGHT? CORRECT. CORRECT. BECAUSE YEAH, THEY'RE RIGHT AT THAT PROPERTY WHERE IT'S LOCATED, THOSE THREE PROPERTIES ARE YEAH. 'CAUSE THE HOUSE WAY UP THERE, THE MM-HMM. THE HU CC N IS OFF OF LAMAN ALL INTERNAL AND WE DON'T CARE ABOUT JONAH AND, AND MANVILLE NOT BILL. SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL GOTTA BE A, A WASTEWATER ISSUE, I WOULD IMAGINE. YES, CORRECT. YES. AND WITH THESE AGREEMENTS, UM, IF YOU LOOK IN THE BACKUP DOCUMENTATION, THERE ARE CERTAIN STIPULATIONS THAT ARE, UM, INCORPORATED THROUGHOUT. SO THERE WAS ONE AGREEMENT THAT WAS EXECUTED, I THINK IN JUNE OF 2025. THIS MIRRORS THAT. EXACTLY. SO ESSENTIALLY, UM, WE STILL [01:20:01] RESERVE THE RIGHT AS A CITY TO, UH, TAX ANY FOR LIMITED PURPOSES. SO ANY SORT OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WE STILL HAVE, HAVE THAT. UM, THE BIG ISSUE AT THE TIME WAS ENSURING THAT A PACKAGE PLANT DIDN'T GO IN THERE. UM, SO THEY DO HAVE TO CONNECT TO A, UH, MUNICIPALITIES, WHICH WE ALL KNOW WHICH MUNICIPALITIES UP THERE. SO, UM, WE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM OF BUTTONING THIS UP AS TIGHT AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY OF HU IS PROTECTED AS MUCH AS IT CAN BE, EVEN IF WE ARE ALLOWING THEM TO CONNECT TO ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. I, I I WAS BACK GONNA BRING THESE, THESE FOUR ITEMS HERE. SO ONE WAS THE RESTRICTOR COVENANT ON THE NO PACKAGE PLAN, BUT WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, PORTING WATER OFF AND, UM, IS, HOW, IS THAT IN THE, A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT OR HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE TAKING THEIR, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE, WHAT I FORGET THE TERM IS, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE DISPOSING OF THEIR WASTEWATER VIA TRUCK TO ANOTHER LOCATION. ARE YOU REFERRING TO THEIR ABILITY TO PUMP AND HOLE OR WHICH IT SAYS OFFSITE WASTEWATER SERVICE, THE PROPERTY SHALL ONLY BE PROVIDED BY WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY OWNED AS OPERATED BY A GOVERNMENT ENTITY. CORRECT. SO THAT WOULD BE EITHER THROUGH A PHYSICAL CONNECTION OR IF THEY WERE PUMP PUMPING AND HAULING, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PUMP AND HAULED TO A GOVERNMENT ENTITY. THAT'S THE WORD. YES. BUT WHEN WE, UM, STRUCTURED THAT IN THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT THAT WENT THROUGH THAT WAS PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON PROHIBITING THAT, THAT PACKAGE PLANT FROM BEING CONSTRUCTED ON THE, ON THE PARCEL, THEY COULD GO THROUGH ROUND ROCK. THEY COULD, IF THEY COULD WORK A DEAL WITH SIENNA, THEY COULD GO THROUGH SIENNA OR SOME FUTURE MUD. RIGHT. OFFSITE SIMPLY MEANS THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER USING SEPTIC, THAT THEY'RE HAVING SOME CONNECTION BECAUSE SEPTIC IS ON SITE SEWER MM-HMM . FACILITY, OSSF. SO OFFSITE MEANS THAT IT'S A REGIONAL SEWER SOLUTION USUALLY DONE THROUGH A SEWER LINE EXPANSION, EXTENSION, YOU KNOW, INTO A REGIONAL PLANT. THAT WAS MY, YEAH, THAT'S, I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY CANNOT HAVE THEIR SEPTIC TANKS CLEANED OUT. RIGHT. OKAY. RIGHT. SO, UH, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH EITHER ONE OF THOSE, BUT I WILL MAKE A MOTION ON NINE EIGHT TO CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACCIDENT RESOLUTION NUMBER S 2 0 2 6 DASH 1 22 AS PRESENTED SECOND MOTION BY CUSTOMER MORRIS WHO BY CUSTOMER KING. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SO YOU SAID CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION. YOU WANT TO APPROVE IT? YES. I WANTED YOU TO CLARIFY YOUR MOTION. THANK YOU. APPROVAL AS PRESENTED. ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT, UH, CHANGE? I AM. SECOND , PLEASE. BILL. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. AYE. MAYOR SCHNEIDER. AYE. MAYOR PROAM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. [9.9. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2026-123 authorizing the City Manager to execute an Agreement Regarding the Release of Annexation and Development Agreement by and between the City of Hutto and Jim R. Walker and Darlena Walker. (Sara Cervantes)] NEXT WE HAVE ITEM NINE NINE, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2026 DASH 1 23 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT REGARDING THE RELEASE OF ANNEXATION AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BY BETWEEN THE CITY OF HUDA AND JIM R WALKER AND DARLENE WALKER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2 0 2 6 DASH 23 AS PRESENTED. SECOND. SECOND. WELL DONE. THANK YOU, SIR. , I MISSED THE BE, UH, WHO'S CALL THE VOTE? THERE WAS TWO VOICES THAT SECONDED. WHICH ONE DID YOU CATCH? TEAM. I MEAN, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME DAN TALKED, BUT , HE SAID MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. AYE. LOST COUNT SEVEN. MM-HMM . MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. NEXT [9.10. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2026-124 providing for adoption of a written policy authorizing the City to accept applications for primary depository services from eligible financial institutions not doing business within the City limits. (Alberta Barrett)] OF ITEM NINE 10, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2026 DASH 24. PROVIDING FOR ADOPTION OF A WRITTEN POLICY AUTHORIZING THE CITY TO ACCEPT APPLICATIONS FOR PRIMARY DEPOSITORY SERVICES FROM ELIGIBLE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS NOT DOING BUSINESS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS, UM, IS THAT, AND THIS, AND THIS IS REGARDLESS TO A BID, WHETHER WITHIN CITY LIMITS OR OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS. WE, WE ARE A CASH BASED CITY, SO WE HAVE CASH, TRANS PHYSICAL CASH TRANSFERS TO THE CITY HALL, AND ALSO I ASSUME PHYSICAL TRA CASH TRANSFERS FROM CITY HALL TO, UH, THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTION. SO, WHO, WHO, UH, WHO, UH, I GUESS PROVIDES THE SECURITY? WHO PAYS FOR THE SECURITY? AND IS THAT CONSIDERED, I'M LOOKING HERE AT THE ELIGIBLE, I MEAN THE, UM, CRI EVALUATION CRITERIA ON THE, ON THE, ON THE PROPOSAL. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT HOW THAT IS HANDLED EVEN GOING FORWARD. I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU WANNA KNOW WHEN THEY PICK UP THE CASH, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, BARRETT HEARD THAT FROM PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, JUST CURIOUS. I'M MERIT FINANCE DIRECTOR FOR THE RECORD. UM, YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE WANNA DISCLOSE THAT, DO WE, MAYOR? NO, NO, NO, NO. OKAY. I'M NOT ASKING THAT. I'M, I'M JUST KIDDING. I'M, I'M ASKING. OKAY. YES. SO THE CITY [01:25:01] PAYS FOR A THIRD PARTY, UM, LOOMIS, UM, WHO COMES AND PICKS UP OUR DEPOSIT AND TAKES IT TO THE BANK, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY, UM, WE DO IT, UM, IT'S TRANSMITTED AUTOMATICALLY. UM, BUT THEY JUST ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY COME AND PICK UP THE CHECKS OR WHATEVER AND TAKE 'EM TO THE BANK. OKAY. SO THERE'S A DIGITAL TRANSACTION THAT PARALLELS THE PHYSICAL TRANSFER. CORRECT. OKAY. I JUST, I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. I HAVE NO OTHER ISSUES WITH THAT . AND WE'RE DONE. MOTION. IS THERE A MOTION FROM YOU ON THAT? I'M, I'M TRYING. OH, YOU NEED A BILL. MOTION TO APPROVE. UH, RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2 0 2 6 DASH 24 AS PRESENTED. SECOND CUSTOMER MORRIS SECOND BY CUSTOMER PORTERFIELD. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. THANK YOU. MOTION PASS. SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU MA'AM. NEXT [10.1. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2026-022 repealing and replacing Chapter 24, Article 24.06, of the Code of Ordinances to update the City's Industrial Waste discharged into the sanitary sewer system and publicly owned treatment works. (Rick Coronado)] WE HAVE ITEM 10, ONE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER O DASH 2026 DASH 22. REPEALING AND REPLACING CHAPTER 24, ARTICLE 24.06 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO UPDATE THE CITY'S INDUSTRIAL WASTE DISCHARGE INTO THE SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM AND PUBLICLY OWNED TREATMENT, FACIL TREATMENT WORKS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WHILE HE WAS HERE. YOU'RE TAKING OVER FOR IT. . I'M, I I GUESS I, HE'S GETTING A RAISE. I'M SEA TEAM PROMOTION OR SOMETHING'S HAPPENING. I'M THE SEA TEAM. I'M YOU'RE THE ONE THAT MAKES, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT MAKES YOU 18 LOOK GOOD. I HOPE SO. YEAH, I TRY, I TRY TO, UH, MY NAME'S DAVID THOMASON. I AM THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS UTILITY MANAGER, UH, FOR THOSE THAT HAVEN'T MET ME OR DON'T KNOW ME, UM, THE PURPOSE AND POLICY THIS ARTICLE SETS FORTH UNIFORM REQUIREMENTS FOR THE USERS OF THE PUBLICLY OWNED TREATMENT WORKS, POTW FOR THE CITY OF HUDA, AND ENABLES THE CITY TO COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS, INCLUDING THE CLEAN WATER ACT, UH, 33, UH, OF THE USC 12, 12 51 AND THE GENERAL PRETREATMENT REGULATIONS 40, UH, CFR PART 4 0 3. NOTHING IN THIS ARTICLE IS INTENDED TO CONFLICT WITH OR OTHERWISE INVALIDATE ANY REQUIREMENTS, UH, PROCEDURE OR STANDARD, UH, SPEC SPECIFIED IN THE LAW OR BY ORDINANCE GOVERNING ALL SOURCES OF INDIRECT DISCHARGE. THE OBJECTIVE OF THIS ARTICLE TO PREVENT THE INTRODUCTION OF POLLUTANTS INTO THE POTW THAT WILL INTERFERE WITH ITS OPERATION TO PREVENT THE INTRODUCTION OF POLLUTANTS ARE UNDESIRABLES INTO THE PLTW THAT WILL PASS THROUGH THE PLTW INADEQUATELY TREATED INTO THE RECEIVING STREAMS, WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF THE CLEAN WATER ACT, UH, OR OTHERWISE BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE PLTW TO PROTECT BOTH THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND PERSONNEL WHO MAY BE AFFECTED BY WASTEWATER AND SLUDGE IF THEY MAKE CONTACT WITH IT TO PROMOTE THE REDUCTION RECLAMATION AND REUSE OF MUNICIPAL, NON-DOMESTIC WASTEWATER, WASTEWATERS AND SLUDGES TO PROVIDE FOR FEES FOR EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF THE COST OF OPERATION MAINTENANCE AND IMPROVEMENT OF THE POTW AND TO ENABLE THE CITY TO COMPLY WITH ITS TEXAS POLLUTANT DISCHARGE ELIMINATION SYSTEM, T-P-D-E-S, PERMIT CONDITIONS, SLUDGE USE AND DISPOSAL REQUIREMENTS, AND ANY OTHER APPLICABLE FEDERAL OR STATE LAWS. AND WE WILL ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. I ALSO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM, UH, THE RAUS RIVER AUTHORITY HERE TONIGHT AS WELL. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE OR I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION ISSUE ON THIS ITEM, BUT IT MAKES ME WANNA ASK ONE JUST SO I CAN COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC BETTER. UM, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE FOLLOW OUR DISCHARGE RULES? LIKE I KNOW WE SAY YOU CAN'T DISCHARGE MORE THAN LIKE 10 PARTS PER MILLION OF FLUORIDE OR SOMETHING, BUT HOW DO WE KNOW PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY DOING THAT? WE'VE IDENTIFIED AT LEAST PROBABLY 12 INDUSTRIES THAT HAS A POTENTIAL OF DISCHARGING INTO THE COLLECTION SYSTEM THAT CONTACT OUR CORRESPONDENCE HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE WITH THEM SEVERAL TIMES VIA, VIA LETTER, AND THEY WERE NOTIFIED OF THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, GIVING THEM TIME TO RE TO RESPOND TO IT. BUT HOW WE DO THAT IS WE MANAGE THOSE DISCHARGES. WE CAN GO OUT AND DO SPOT CHECKS, COLLECTING SAMPLES, UH, AT ANY TIME, ALSO DOING, [01:30:01] UH, RANDOM INSPECTIONS OF THEIR FACILITY, UH, TO SEE ENVIRONMENTAL ENVIRONMENTALLY, HOW ARE THEY TAKING CARE OF WHAT THEIR WASTE IS. AND A LOT OF 'EM WE FOUND ACTUALLY HAUL THEIR WASTE OFF TO OTHER PLACES. OKAY. SO LIKE, IF A PERSON HAD A DATA CENTER, ONE OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT DATA CENTERS ARE IS THAT THEY'RE JUST, YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO. THEY'RE JUST GONNA DUMP ALL THIS STUFF IN THE WATER INTO THE SEWER. AND WHAT I ALWAYS, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU MAY DISAGREE WITH WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE BACKING UP. WHAT I TOLD PEOPLE IS, IS THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO IDENTIFY WHAT'S BEING DUMPED IN AND CAN TRACK IT DOWN. I MEAN, WE MAY NOT KNOW THE FIRST DAY WHO DUMPED IT IN, BUT WE CAN TRACK IT DOWN EVENTUALLY AND GET TO THE PERSON TO FIND OUT WHAT, WHATEVER IT IS, SOME KIND OF MATERIAL OR SOMETHING. I MEAN, WE, IF WE NEEDED TO, WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT, RIGHT? YES SIR. WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN SET UP SAMPLING STATIONS THAT ACTUALLY TAKES 24, 24 HOUR COMPOSITE SAMPLES AND GO GRAB THOSE SAMPLES. THEY, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE COSTS IF, IF IT'S THEM DUMPING AND ALSO IF THERE'S ANY, UH, IMPACT TO THE RECEIVING STREAM BECAUSE A LOT OF IT'S SOLUBLE, RIGHT? IT PA IT'S GONNA PASS THROUGH. IF IT MAKES IT TO THE RECEIVING STREAM AND THERE'S AQUATIC LIFE KILLED IN THERE, THEN YOU HAVE OTHER, UH, FEDERAL AGENCIES THAT'S INVOLVED STATE AGENCIES LIKE FISH AND GAME, UH, TCEQ, WE, AND THEN THEY HAVE THEIR, THEIR SET OF FINES. AND ALSO IF I NEED ASSISTANCE FROM THEM, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I CAN ALSO ASK FOR ASSISTANCE FROM THOSE OTHER AGENCIES IN THE TRACK. AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT BECAUSE I, I TOLD PEOPLE, I SAID, I HAVE NO CONCERN ABOUT WHAT'S BEING DUMPED BECAUSE WE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF GUYS WHO ARE OUT TRYING TO CATCH SOMEBODY DOING SOMETHING . AND SO THE FIRST THING THEY'RE GONNA DO IS PROBABLY GO, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA CHECK WHAT I'M DUMPING IN MY DRAIN AS MUCH. THEY'RE GONNA BE PROBABLY FOCUSED MORE ON THIS DATA CENTER HERE IS CLEANING OUT WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING. WE'RE GONNA CHECK AND MAKE SURE WHAT THEY'RE DUMPING. THIS GUY, HERE'S CLEANING MACHINES, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA CHECK HIM. BECAUSE I WOULD GUESS IF YOU GUYS CATCH PEOPLE, THEN MM-HMM . RICK WOULD BE UP HERE WANTING MORE EQUIPMENT TO CHECK MORE PEOPLE AND, 'CAUSE WE ALL LIKE STUFF. UM, OKAY. UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I I TELL PEOPLE CORRECTLY BECAUSE I KNOW SOME CITIES CAN EVEN TELL YOU IF COVID ISS ON THE RISE BECAUSE WE'RE TESTING THE WATER AND THEY'RE IDENTIFYING VIRUSES IN THE WATER AND SO THEY KNOW BEFORE WE KNOW THERE'S AN OUTBREAK COMING, THEY ALREADY KNOW A WEEK OR TWO IN ADVANCE JUST BECAUSE OF TESTING. SO I WAS TELLING EVERYBODY, I AM NOT SAYING THINGS CAN'T HAPPEN. I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF SOMEONE DUMPS SOMETHING REGULARLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA CATCH THE ONE GUY THAT DUMPED 10 GALLONS OF DIESEL INTO THE DRAIN MAYBE, BUT IF IT'S AN EVERYDAY OCCURRENCE, WE'RE GONNA TRACK THAT GUY DOWN AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA PAY. UM, AND WE HAVE THAT, UH, TECHNOLOGY AND ABILITY. BUT I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY THAT FOR YES SIR. SINCE IT'S KINDA A HOT TOPIC. THIS, THIS ORDINANCE ISN'T NOTHING NEW THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE BECAUSE IT, IT GIVES, IT, IT, IT GIVES THE CITY OF HU MORE POWER TO ENFORCE AND IT GIVES US THE RIGHT TO WHERE WE CAN, WE CAN ACTUALLY ENTER ONTO THE PROPERTY. IF THEY DON'T ALLOW US, THEN I CAN GO TO OUR, OUR UH, GET AHOLD OF YARBOROUGH POLICE DEPARTMENT. RIGHT. GET AHOLD OF YARBOROUGH AND HIS PEOPLE. RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. ALRIGHT, I LIKE THAT. NO, I LIKE THIS BECAUSE YEAH, WHAT I THINK WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE ADDRESSING PEOPLE'S CONCERNS IS THEY COME UP BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE FUTURE'S CHANGING. TECH IS CHANGING, BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE OUR ORDINANCES AND OUR POLICIES GO WITH THAT. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF THE ENFORCEMENT THAT WAY IF WE GOTTA KICK A DOOR DOWN BECAUSE SOMEONE'S NOT LETTING US TEST THEIR WATER. SO WE DO REVIEW THIS WITH THE JUDGE AND THE PROSECUTOR AND SO WE DON'T JUST GO KICK PEOPLE'S DOORS DOWN. , I'M SUNRISE. THERE'S, THERE'S A STEP IN THERE, . WE'LL, WE'LL FOLLOW. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEN ALSO REMEMBER WHEN YOU PASSED YOUR, UH, AMENDMENTS TO YOUR MUNICIPAL, UH, COURT AND CODE, WE DO HAVE THAT ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS NOW THAT'S LIKE WE'RE GOING TO STATE COURT AND SO WE'RE, AFTER COUNSEL PASSES THIS, WE'LL BE MEETING WITH THE JUDGE AND PROSECUTOR AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE. SWEET. I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION JUST FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION. SO THE, YOU TALKING ABOUT DATA CENTERS, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT. IT'S HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, TRY REGIONALLY THESE CONVERSATIONS, PEOPLE'S CONCERNS. WHAT ARE SOME OF, JUST FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE WAYS THAT WE MITIGATE THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FIRST PLACE? I APPRECIATE WHAT WE DISCUSSED ABOUT FINDING OUT, TRACKING DOWN, PREVENTING AND ENFORCEMENT, BUT WHAT ABOUT PREVENTING IT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FIRST PLACE? WHAT TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, SAFETY PROTOCOLS, UM, SHOULD THE PUBLIC BE AWARE OF TO PREVENT, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, A DANA CENTER FROM DUMPING AND THEN CAUSING WHATEVER DAMAGE MAY OR MAY NOT COME FROM IT AS A CITY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, WHAT TYPE OF PROTECTION OR PREVENTATIVE MEASURES DO WE HAVE ALREADY IN PLACE? AND I MEAN, JUST TO START THERE, MY NAME IS TROY WORMAN WITH THE BRA RIVER AUTHORITY. UH, WE DEVELOPED THIS ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF HU. THANK YOU. UH, THE PREVENTIVE MEASURES, [01:35:01] THE PURPOSE OF THIS ORDINANCE IS TO PUT THE ONUS ON THE INDUSTRY. YES. IT ISSUES PERMITS TO THE INDUSTRY REQUIRING THAT THEY INSTALL PRETREATMENT EQUIPMENT, TREAT THEIR WASTEWATER PRIOR TO IT GOING TO THE CITY'S SEWER SO THAT THEY'RE PULLING POLLUTANTS OUT BEFORE IT GETS TO THE CITY'S WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. THANK YOU. FOLLOW UP ON THAT QUESTION. HAVE WE SEEN SOME TYPE OF POLLUTANT THAT'S COMING FROM DATA CENTERS LIKE VIOLATIONS? UH, NO. NOT, NOT AT THIS TIME. OKAY. NO. BEFORE IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL, MEAN, I THINK THE SAD PART ULTIMATELY IS EVERYTHING IS BASED ON SOME FORM OF, UM, HONESTY. I MEAN, 'CAUSE O OTHERWISE WE COULD SPEND THE MONEY AND HAVE TEST EVERY 24 HOURS, EVERYTHING COMING OUT OF A WATER STREAM. AND SO YOU COULD DO THAT, BUT REALLY, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT I THINK OUR WATER SYSTEM IS, IT'S 100% A PRO, NOT A, UH, PROACTIVE. IT'S SAY REACTIVE. REACTIVE, YEAH. MM-HMM . UM, YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR AN ISSUE BECAUSE YOU GUYS COULD PUT ALL THOSE THINGS IN AND TELL PEOPLE ARE THEY BYPASSING IT? YOU DON'T KNOW UNLESS HIS GUYS GO IN THERE AND ASK, HEY, WHY'D YOU, WELL, IN THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, YOU PASS THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN. AND PART OF THAT IS THE INDIVIDUALS MONITORING. AND SO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM SPEAKS TO THESE TYPES OF QUESTIONS. THE ORDINANCE JUST SETS UP THE REQUIREMENTS. YEAH. OKAY. BUT THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION 'CAUSE THIS HAS BEEN A, UH, A TOPIC, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS DE BRAZOS, BUT IT'S, PEOPLE GOT MEMES OF MILKY WATER COMING OUT BECAUSE THE DATA CENTER DUMPED SOMETHING. I'M LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN DUMP IT IN THIS SYSTEM AND IT COME OUTTA YOUR FAUCET. I'M LIKE, THAT'S A CITY ISSUE. 'CAUSE THEY SHOULD HAVE TREATED IT. BUT WE STILL GOT THE CONCERN FROM PEOPLE. SO I THINK ANYTIME WE, ANYTIME WE CAN ADDRESS THAT AND HELP ALLEVIATE, UH, HOLES AND THEN DO THINGS LIKE THIS AND ADD MORE ENFORCEMENT, I THINK IS ALWAYS GOOD. YES, SIR. FOR, UH, JUST A BASIC UNDERSTANDING FOR MORE THE GENERAL PUBLIC, WHAT WE DO, I CONSIDER IT WHEN WE'RE LIKE THE SEWER POLICE, WE'RE PUTTING UP SPEED LIMIT SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. OF COURSE THAT'S NOT GONNA STOP EVERYBODY FROM SPEEDING, BUT IT, IT HOLDS EVERYBODY TO AN EXPECTATION. YEAH. IF, IF WE DO CATCH SOMEONE SPEEDING, IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON ENFORCEMENT WITH THEM AS WELL. NICE. SPEED APPROVED ORDINANCE O 2026 DASH 0 22 AS PRESENTED SECOND BY COUNCILOR PORTERFIELD, SECOND BY CUSTOMER KING. A DISCUSSION MR. MORRIS. YEAH. UM, I KNOW THIS, UH, THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE IS JUST APPROVING IT, NOT, NOT THE METHODOLOGY, WHICH IS, LIKE I SAID, AS LEGAL SAID, IT'S IN 11 ONE. BUT I DID WANNA MAKE NOTE IS THAT, IS THIS DOCUMENT, UM, LET'S SEE. ANYWAY, IT'S, IF YOU LOOK AT 5 56, THERE'S, IF WE'RE APPROVING THIS DOCUMENT RIGHT HERE, THERE ARE STILL EXISTING COMMENTS FROM LEGAL WITH SUGGESTIONS. SO DO WE WANNA HAVE THOSE IN THERE? ON PAGE 5 56, UM, UH, LEGAL HAS SAID IS, DO WE HAVE COPIES OF THIS FOR LEGAL REVIEW? THERE'S ALSO ON PAGE, WE DID GET ALL THOSE COPIES. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WASN'T REMOVED. I'M JUST SAYING IF THIS, IF WE'RE APPROVING THIS DOCUMENT, WHICH HAVE NO COMMENTS WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE FINAL VERSION. YEAH. OKAY. AND WE DID REVIEW ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT WENT ALONG WITH THIS. SO THERE'S A, ANOTHER ONE, LET'S SEE, THAT SPECIFIES AN ACTION WHICH HASN'T OCCURRED. UM, THIS ONE ON 5 61, THE DOCUMENT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PACKET WAS THE FINAL VERSION. SOMETIMES WHEN YOU CREATE A PDF, AS HARD AS YOU TRY, THE COMMENTS DO NOT STAY HIDDEN. SO THE FINAL VERSION WILL NOT HAVE THE COMMENTS ATTACHED. BUT IN THIS CASE, THE COMMENT SAYS, FOR AN ACTION THAT WASN'T DONE 5 58, THIS IS BY A, A TROY, I GUESS ANOTHER ATTORNEY GUY IS, IT'S FINE WITH THIS EDIT, BUT THIS CHANGE MAKES HEARING REQUIRED FOR EVERY DISPUTE. AND IT'S A QUESTION MARK. SO DO WE, AND I I'VE SPOKE WITH CITY MANAGER THIS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S 40 COMPLAINTS IN A QUARTER, THEN HAVING A HEARING EVERY TIME COULD BE CUMBERSOME. BUT IF IT'S JUST ONE A YEAR OR TWO A YEAR, THEN NOT. BUT IS THAT WHAT THIS DOCUMENT WANTS TO HAVE AS A, AS A HEARING ON EVERY DISPUTE COMMENTS? IS THAT THE INTENTION? IF THEY DISPUTE, IF THE USER DISPUTES IT, YES, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HEARING. OKAY. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT COMMENT WAS NOT, AND THAT'S NOT ONE OF MY ATTORNEYS. THAT WAS THE ATTORNEY. RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S ACTUALLY MYSELF. OH, TROY, SORRY. THAT'S MY NAME ON THERE. SO THAT'S MY COMMENTS IN OUR DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH WITH THE CITY, CITY LEGAL. YEAH. SO AS LONG AS THAT'S WHAT WE UNDERSTAND AND THAT I'M FINE WITH THE DOCUMENT, I WAS JUST YES, SIR. CURIOUS ABOUT THE COMMENTS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. [01:40:01] MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. [11.1. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2026-125 approving industrial waste enforcement response guide and response plan for the City of Hutto for administering compliance with Ordinance Article 24.06 "Industrial Waste" discharged into the sewer system and publicly owned treatment works. (Rick Coronado)] NEXT WE HAVE THANK YOU JUDGE. ITEM 11, ONE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2026 DASH 25 APPROVING INDUSTRIAL WASTE ENFORCEMENT RESPONSE GUIDE AND RESPONSE PLAN FOR THE CITY OF HUDA FOR ADMINISTERING COMPLIANCE WITH ORDINANCE ARTICLE 24.06 INDUSTRIAL WASTE DISCHARGE INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM AND PUBLICLY OWNED TREATMENT WORKS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THESE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED PURSUANT TO 40 CFR 4 0 3 0.8 F, AND SECTION 24.06007 OF THE CITY, CITY OF HU CODE OF ORDINANCES IN 2026. THE PURPOSE OF THIS DOCUMENT IS TO ACHIEVE COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE PRE-TREATMENT REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS WHEN DISCHARGING WASTEWATER INTO THE SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM. THIS WILL BE ACHIEVED BY ESTABLISHING GUIDELINES FOR INVESTIGATING INSTANCES, INSTANCES OF NON-COMPLIANCE, AND PROVIDING STANDARD STANDARDIZED ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS APPROPRIATE TO NON-COMPLIANCE RELATED TO THE INDUSTRIAL WASTEWATER DISCHARGES. ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS. SEVERITY MAY BE REVISED BY THE DIRECTOR DEPENDING ON CIRCUMSTANCES IN A CASE BY CASE BASIS. SO MOVED. SECOND. WERE YOU TOUCHING THAT, MIKE? MM-HMM . GO AHEAD. UM, SO THAT, THAT STATEMENT YOU READ IS ACHIEVED BY ESTABLISHING GUIDELINES FOR INVESTIGATING INSTANCES OF NON-COMPLIANCE AND PROVIDING STANDARDIZED ENFORCEMENT. I GUESS I JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT THE DETECTION METHODS. ALWAYS YOU CAN GO TO AN ADDRESS OR DO YOU KNOW, RANDOM SAMPLING, BUT IS THERE SOMETHING, AS WE GROW LARGER AND OUR, OUR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM GETS BIGGER AND BIGGER AND BIGGER, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY PLANS TO HAVE SOME REAL TIME, MAYBE EVEN 24 HOUR SEVEN TIME DETECTION POINTS WITHIN THE CITY SO THAT IT WILL HELP US IN THIS INVESTIGATION PROCESS TO GO LOOK UPSTREAM FROM THAT? OR IS IT PURELY RANDOM? I KNOW AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT YOU HAVE ONGOING STUFF, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT OUT IN THE, IN THE, IN THE THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN. IT'S PROBABLY MORE INSTANTANEOUS. YES, SIR. I UNDERSTAND THAT PRETTY MUCH. UH, IF THERE, I GUESS IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A NEED, LIKE IF WE GET PERMITTED, UH, INDUSTRIES OUT THERE, IF THERE'S A NEED TO, TO HAVE A MONITORING SYSTEM. IF THEY HAVE A MONITORING SYSTEM, TROY MAY KNOW BETTER THAN ME. UM, IT'S DEFINITELY SOME SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK INTO. IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN US MONITORING, UH, KIND OF AS AN EXAMPLE, WE MONITOR FLOWS RIGHT. WITH, WITH LEVEL INDICATORS IN, IN STRATEGICALLY PLACED THE DISCHARGE VOLUME MANHOLES OUT IN THE SYSTEM UHHUH SO THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY AREAS OF, OF I AND I RIGHT. WHICH IS INFLOW INFILTRATION FROM WE WEATHER EVENTS LIKE WE'RE HAVING TONIGHT. SO, OKAY. YEAH, I JUST, I MEAN I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE, WITH THE, THE, THE DOCUMENTARY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I'M JUST CURIOUS, IS THIS GOING FORWARD MAYBE WE AS THE CITY COUNCIL AND OBVIOUSLY WITH STAFF DIRECTING US, IS HOW DO WE LOOK AT AS INDUSTRY CHANGES? I LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHERE WE DON'T, WE PUT INDUSTRY INSTEAD OF RANDOM, WELL NOT RANDOMLY, BUT THROUGHOUT THAT WE START PUTTING AN AREA AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A REAL TIME MONITORING, YOU KNOW, FOR BIOLOGICAL OR FECAL OR, YOU KNOW, PETROLEUM PRODUCTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. IN, IN SOME INDUSTRIES I, THAT I'VE COME IN CONTACT WITH, THEY ACTUALLY HAD THEIR OWN ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT WITHIN OH, I SEE. WITHIN THAT, THAT INDUSTRY. AND THEY DO COMPLIANCE SAMPLING ON, ON SITE. OKAY. WHICH THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THOSE DOCUMENTS TO THE, TO THE CITY UPON REQUEST. THANK YOU. DING. ALRIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. WHO IS THE SECOND, UH, PORTERFIELD. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. I'M SORRY. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. IT'S NOW 8 53. [12. EXECUTIVE SESSION] GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE HAVE ITEM 12 ONE. RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0 7 1 CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY TO DELIVER AND SEEK LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING A HUDDLE PARKS ASSOCIATION AND BEDC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. ITEM 12 TWO, PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.071 ATTORNEY CONSULTATION AND SECTION 5 5 1 0.072 REAL ESTATE TO DELIBERATE AND SEEK LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING THE ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY INTEREST LOCATED ALONG EAST FRONT STREET AS PART OF THE CR 1 9 9 RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT CIPT 19 DASH 2024, INCLUDING BY USE OF EMINENT DOMAIN IF NECESSARY, PARCEL TWO AND ITEM 12 FOUR RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0 7 1. CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY AND DELIBERATIONS PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT [01:45:01] CODE SECTIONS FIVE, FIVE, EXCUSE ME, 1 0 7 2 REAL PROPERTY 5 5 1 0.087. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS RELATED TO PENDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS BEING CONSIDERED BY HU ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION OR THE CITY OF HU, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO. A PROJECT CORE B PROJECT COTTONWOOD C PROJECT LAKE D PROJECT ROBOT VIEW. E PROJECT E PROJECT BLUE HUB F PROJECT HEARTBEAT, G PROJECT AIR H PROJECT ORCHARD I PROJECT SHRINE J PROJECT COLD PLATE. SO MANY NEW ONES AND J NO K, BUT L PROJECT DYNAMITE . THAT WAS 8 54 . OKAY. ALRIGHT. IT'S 10 22. WE'RE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION, NO ACTION WAS TAKEN. [13. ACTION RELATIVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION] NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 13. ONE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ABOVE. ANYTHING THERE THAT WE HAD MAYOR AND COUNSEL, WE, UH, WOULD REQUEST THAT UNDER 12.1 A THE HU PARKS ASSOCIATION, UM, THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO FILE AN AMENDMENT TO THE, UH, DOCUMENTS ESTABLISHING THE HU PARKS FOUNDATION TO AUTHORIZE THEM TO, UH, BE THE NONPROFIT FOR A SPECIAL EVENT FOR THE CITY. SO MOVED. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? MM-HMM. HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL TO VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA AYE. COUNCIL KING AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. MAYOR PRO TIM THORNTON. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE ITEM 13 TWO, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2026 DASH 11 AUTHORIZING THE ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY INTEREST AS PART OF THE CR 1 99 RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT CIPT 19 DASH 2024. PARCEL TWO. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AUTHORIZE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, STAFF AND LEGAL TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE USE OF DOMAIN MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2 0 2 6 11 AUTHORIZES THE USE OF IMMINENT DOMAIN. THAT'S A MOTION. SECOND. WHO SAID THAT? THORNTON. MOTION BY MAYOR STEINER. SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON, ANY DISCUSSION? MM-HMM. HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KING AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. [14. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS] WE HAVE 14. ONE NEXT GENERAL COMMENT FROM CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR. MAYOR COUNCIL, DID YOU WANNA TAKE ANY ACTION UNDER 12 THREE? UM, UNDER ACTION RELATIVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION? NO. NO. I THINK IF THE, IF THE PERSON WHO'S GOT THE ISSUE FILE SOMETHING, BUT YOU JUST WAIT FOR ANY FOLLOW UP. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. GENERAL COMMENTS FOR EVERYBODY. ALRIGHT. 14 TWO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UM, ONE OF 'EM WAS ABOUT THE, UM, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UM, OF, OF HAVING TO, UM, COUNCIL PROTOCOLS. COUNCIL PROTOCOLS, YES. SO, SO SPECIFICALLY ABOUT HOW WE DISTRIBUTE THE JOB APPLICATIONS TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL. OKAY. SO THE, THE, THE BOARDS, THE PROTOCOLS, THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UH, PROCESS ESSENTIALLY. PROCESS, YEAH. IF YOU'LL DO THIS, LET'S SET IT FOR THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY. IN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. LET'S WORK THE MESSAGE BOARD. YES SIR. I LIKE THAT. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS? UM, THERE'S ONE THING. UM, THIS, THIS IS ALSO UNDER PROTOCOLS , BUT WE CAN'T DISCUSS THE ITEM. I'M NOT SAYING THAT. OH, OKAY. OKAY. THIS IS NOT ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, IT'S JUST, UM, I THINK THAT ANYTIME A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, AND IT MAY BE FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. WELL, I WAS SAY THIS, YOU CAN ONLY ASK FOR AGENDA ITEMS. YOU CAN'T DISCUSS LIKE WHY OR WHAT IT IS. OKAY. SO IT'S ON, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT AGENDA ITEM WOULD BE. IT'S ABOUT SEEKING LEGAL ADVICE FROM CITY ATTORNEYS AND THAT RESPONSE NOT DISTRIBUTED TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL. THAT'D BE A COUNCIL PROTOCOL TEAM. OKAY. SO MAKE SURE, DO YOU WANT ME TO WRITE THAT PROCESS INTO THE PROTOCOLS? 'CAUSE I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT ANY LEGAL QUESTION COMES TO ME. I WRITE MY LEGAL ANSWER RESPONSE TO EVERYBODY. MM-HMM . I LIKE THAT IT'S NOT WHAT WAS DONE, BUT IT WAS ALSO THE EDC ATTORNEY AND THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS GIVEN A RESPONSE TO ONE COUNCIL MEMBER AND NOT DISTRIBUTED. OKAY. SO COUNCILOR PROTOCOLS, ANY UNITED FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? SEE, LAURA, IT'S NOT ME THIS TIME. THIS TIME WE HAVE A LAURA AND I HAVE A STANDING, UH, [01:50:01] I'M THE PROBLEM . OKAY. AND I AGREE ITEMS. NO SIR. RIGHT. WE'LL ADJOURN AT 10:26 PM OH, ONE MORE THING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.