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WE'LL CALL THE CITY[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]
COUNCIL SESSION SYRUP FOR THURSDAY, MAY 21ST, 2026 TO ORDER.[3.1 Review and discussion of the City's platting process, including current requirements, identified challenges, and potential amendments or process improvements. (Mayor Snyder/Howard Koontz)]
THREE ONE REVIEW AND DISCUSSION OF THE CITY'S PLANNING PROCESS, INCLUDING CURRENT REQUIREMENTS, IDENTIFIED CHALLENGES, AND POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS OR PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS.IF YOU DON'T KNOW, MY NAME IS HOWARD KZ.
I AM THE COMMUNITY, UH, DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR, I GUESS HERE.
UM, I HAD PUT TOGETHER SOME TALKING POINTS HERE.
I REALLY DON'T WANT THIS TO BE ALL ABOUT AV.
I WANT THIS TO BE MORE ABOUT, UH, THOSE OF US WHO ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.
I AM STILL CONSIDERING MYSELF, THE NEW GUY, BEEN HERE FOR FOUR MONTHS, BUT, UM, PATRICIA, UH, UH, INTERIM, UH, CITY ENGINEERS HERE TOO.
SHE CAN BACK ME UP ON SOME OF THIS STUFF.
SO, WELL, THIS IS A BETTER, RIGHT?
SO BEFORE WE CAN MAKE A PLAN TO GET ANYWHERE, YOU GOTTA KIND OF KNOW WHERE YOU'RE STARTING FROM.
SO I PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER ABOUT, THIS IS THE CHECKLIST THAT WE HAVE ON OUR PERMITTING SOFTWARE.
SO WHEN YOU LOG IN AND YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, DO A NEW PLATING PROCESS, UM, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO SUBMIT TO US, WHETHER IT'S PRELIMINARY PLAT, UM, AND YOUR, YOUR SITE PLAN AND YOUR FINAL PLAT AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE REQUIRE.
THESE ARE THE ITEMS ON HERE THAT ALL NEED TO BE DONE PER, PER THE WAY THAT THE CODE IS WRITTEN.
ALL THESE THINGS NEED TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE YOU GET APPROVAL FOR ANY OF THE ITEMS IN THE PROCESS OR THE CHAIN.
UM, IS THAT JUST IF YOU WANNA MOVE A PROPERTY LINE 30 FEET? YEAH.
IF YOU'RE DOING AN AMENDING PLAT, YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE, NOW SOME OF THIS STUFF, THE, YOU KNOW, THE SER OR THE FLOOD STUDY AND STUFF, YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE IF YOU'VE ALREADY DONE IT FOR THE PLAT THAT WAS COMPLETED, BUT THIS IS FOR THE, FOR PRELIMINARY AND, AND FINAL PLATS OF NEW, UM, THEIR REQUIRED BASICALLY BY CUSTOM, OTHERWISE THEY GET EVALUATED.
SO YOU LOOK AT THAT'S 10 YEARS OLD.
WOULD YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO ALL THAT? IF YOU WANNA MOVE THE PROPERTY LINE 30 FEET? YEAH.
IT, IT WOULD BE REVIEWED AGAINST WHATEVER IS THE CURRENT CODE TODAY.
SO IF YOU'VE TURNED SOMETHING IN THE PAST THAT WAS PROVEN, THE CURRENT CODE TODAY, IT'S LIKELY THAT WE CAN APPLY THAT TO ANY CHANGES THAT YOU MADE.
BUT AGAIN, WE ALWAYS MAKE A DETERMINATION, LIKE WITH TIAS, SOMETIMES WE DETERMINE IF IT'S JUST A STATEMENT OR IF YOU NEED THE FULL ONE.
WE DO THE SAME THING WITH ANYTHING ELSE, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
EVEN IF IT'S EXEMPT, IT NEEDS TO BE TALKED ABOUT.
SO, UM, THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT STARTS NOW.
UM, PRELIMINARY PLATS SITE PLAN, FINAL PLAT, AND YOUR CONSTRUCTION PLANS ARE ALL REVIEWED, UH, CONCURRENTLY ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
UH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THEM DONE AND APPROVED BEFORE YOU CAN GET STARTED.
UM, I THINK I LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO MAKE THESE ONCE AGAIN, SEQUENTIAL.
UM, AND BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT THE PROJECT AS IT COMES IN.
THERE'S NOT A ONE ANSWER SOLUTION TO EVERY PERSON WHO COMES IN WITH EVERY PROJECT.
EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED UNTO ITS OWN MERITS.
AND, UM, THIS DOESN'T HAVE THAT GRANULARITY OR SOPHISTICATION.
WE, IT'S A, IT'S A BINARY CONDITION OF YOU MEET ALL THESE OR YOU GET REJECTED.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE FRUSTRATING FOR PEOPLE.
SO, UM, TO GO THROUGH THIS, I THINK, AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT AT THE END OF THIS, BUT, UM, NOT, NOT EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS IS NECESSARILY BAD PER SE.
IT'S ALL EXCELLENT INFORMATION, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR SOME OF THE REASONS THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT LATER.
BUT US BEING ABLE TO CREATE AND MAINTAIN A LIBRARY OF REFERENCE MATERIALS AND INFORMATION THAT COMES FROM THE DATA THAT IS COMPILED BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS BASICALLY A RESOURCE THAT WE CANNOT GENERATE UNDER OURSELVES.
WE DON'T HAVE THE BANDWIDTH, THE MANPOWER OR THE FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND DO TRAFFIC UNTO OURSELVES.
FLOOD STUDIES UNTO OURSELVES, DRAINAGE STUDIES UNTO OURSELVES.
SO FOR THIS STUFF TO COME FORWARD TO US, UM, GIVES BENEFIT, UH, SPECIFICALLY AND REGIONALLY.
SO WHY IS IT THIS WAY? WHY, WHY DO WE DO WHAT WE'VE DONE? THIS, THIS IS NOT UNIQUE.
THIS, THIS PROCESS HERE IS USUAL IN CUSTOMARY, I'VE BEEN PRACTICING HERE FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS OR SO.
THIS IS EFFECTIVELY THE WAY THAT EVERYBODY DOES IT.
NOT EXACTLY THE SAME EVERYWHERE.
UM, BUT IT AT LEAST RHYMES IN CENTRAL TEXAS MM-HMM
BUT NOT IN, IN, IN HAYES COUNTY, BEXAR COUNTY, AND NOW WAVES COUNTY, CENTRAL TEXAS.
IT'S LIKE A REGIONAL WAY OF DOING IT.
LIKE, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HARRIS COUNTY IS DOING.
I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY TARRANT COUNTY IS DOING, BUT 254 DIFFERENT COUNTIES
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AND ALL THE CITIES WITHIN, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL GONNA MEET STATE MINIMUMS. AND THEN AFTER THAT IT'S, WHAT THEY VALUE IS, IS EVERYBODY IS THE PROCESS BY WHAT THEY VALUE.SO, UM, PROCESSES THIS WAY BASICALLY SO THAT WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND RESPOND TO, YOU KNOW, COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS AND LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PACKAGE, THE ENTIRE PICTURE AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ALL GONNA WORK TOGETHER UNTO ITSELF AT COMPLETION.
UM, CARRYING CAPACITY OF LAND, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, NOT PUTTING SIX POUNDS OF DEVELOPMENT ON A FIVE POUND CYCLE.
WE ACTUALLY DO SEE IT QUITE A BIT.
UM, SO THESE ARE JUST DISCUSSION ITEMS, UM, WAS DISCUSSED NOW AT TIM.
UM, NOW ACTUALLY, TO BE HONEST, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU, WELL, WHAT YOUR, LIKE WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU HEARING ABOUT THESE THINGS THAT WE DO THAT ARE COUNTER TO SUCCESS? COUNTER TO WHAT? SUCCESS.
SO HERE'S A PROBLEM THAT I HEAR, UM, AND I'LL JUST SAY I LIVE THIS WITH PEOPLE.
IF YOU HAVE A 40 ACRE TRACT AND A PERSON WANTS TO COME UP BY THREE ACRES AND IT'S FARMING OR BY THREE ACRES AND YOU CAN HAVE, I THINK THE ONLY REQUIREMENT I SAY'S GOTTA HAVE ACCESS.
SO YOU SAY, OKAY, IT'S, IT'S GOT A, IT'S GOT ITS OWN DRIVEWAY.
YOU ARE THEN GONNA MAKE THAT PERSON GO THROUGH PROOF OF OWNERSHIP.
YOU HAVE TO SIT DOWN, BOOK AN APPOINTMENT WITH SOMEONE IN THE CITY TO FIGURE OUT IF THE TIA'S NEEDED.
THAT COULD BE A MEETING NEXT WEEK.
IT COULD BE A MEETING NEXT MONTH.
AND SO THEY MAY HAVE TO WAIT A MONTH JUST TO FIND OUT IF THEY GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND $50,000 OR MORE DOING A TIA JUST TO GET THREE ORDERS AND THEY GOTTA DO A SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST.
THAT'S ANOTHER MONTH OR TWO MONTHS THAT THEY HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT TO GET.
BUT ALL THEY WANNA DO IS BUY THREE ACRES AND NOW THEY'VE GOT A 50,000 TIA GOTTA PAY FOR A EXTENSION REQUEST.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ENGINEER'S LOI IS NINE ONE APPROVAL.
THEY GOTTA GO DO A TREE INVENTORY AND SURVEY.
BUT JUST TO BUY THREE ACRES NOW WE HAVE TO PAY A GUY TO COME OUT AND MARK EVERY TREE ON THE PROPERTY AND PUT IT ON A SURVEY AND PAY THAT MONEY.
REASONS TO BE DEDICATED AS EASY PARK PARKLAND, LOI, THAT COULD BE ANOTHER THREE TO FOUR MONTH PROCESS.
THEY GO THROUGH THE PARK SYSTEM.
ARE YOU PAYING A FEE IN LIEU OF UTILITIES? YOU GOTTA DO A DRAINAGE STUDY, ALL THIS STUFF DONE.
YOU COULD BE IN A HUNDRED TO $200,000 IN DUE DILIGENCE SIX MONTHS IN AND YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO BUY A THREE ACRE PIECE OF LAND.
OR LIKE I SAID, IF YOU JUST WANNA MOVE THE PROPERTY LINE 30 FEET BY MOVING IT 30 FEET, 'CAUSE MAYBE THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR SAYS, YEAH, YEAH, YOU CAN HAVE 30 MORE FEET.
I JUST WANNA BUY IT BECAUSE I GET, I DON'T LIKE MY NEIGHBOR AND I HIT WAY KEEPS THIS YARD OVER THERE.
THEN IF YOU GO TWO SLIDES FORWARD, ESTABLISHES THE CARRYING WEIGHT TOP RIGHT OF THE LAND PROPOSED FOR DEVELOPMENT.
I JUST WANNA BUY THREE ACRES BECAUSE I THINK HU'S A GREAT INVESTMENT AND JAMES AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND NOT PUT WORDS IN HIS MOUTH.
YOU TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, THIS JAMES KIND OF ALLUDED TO, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANNA DO AND PROTECT SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
YOU'RE LIKE, YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE PROTECT THE DEVELOPER.
AND MY OPINION IS IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO PROTECT THE DEVELOPER.
IF I BUY THREE ACRES AND I WANT TO BUILD A THOUSAND UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX ON THAT, IT DOESN'T MEET CODE.
AND I SUBMIT MY PLANS TO YOU GUYS, YOU SAY NOTHING WORK.
YEAH, BUT I BOUGHT THREE ACRES.
WELL, YOU WIN, SOMEBODY LOSE SOME.
BUT ANYWAY, IN THE BIGGER OVERALL ISSUE, YOU PUT 200,000 IN THE TIME IT TAKES TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AND THIS ISN'T A HUB, THIS IS ESSENTIAL TAXES THING.
IT'S NOT THIS WAY IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE.
YOU DON'T GET THAT MUCH DUE DILIGENCE TIME FROM YOUR LANDOWNER.
AND SO THEN WE GET INTO WHERE PEOPLE JUST DO ILLEGAL OPS AND NO ONE REALLY LIKES DOING THAT, BUT YOU CLOSE ON MEETS AND BOUNDS, WHICH IS HARD TO CATALOG.
AND THEN IF YOU'RE DOING EASEMENTS, THAT'S DIFFICULT FOR THE UM, UH, THE, THE REGISTER OF DEEDS TO TRACK ALL THAT AND MAKE SURE IT'S ALL IN, IT ACTUALLY CAUSES MORE PROBLEMS. BUT IF A LANDOWNER WILL ONLY GIVE YOU THREE MONTHS TO LOOK AT A PIECE OF PROPERTY BEFORE YOU BUY IT, A PORTION OF IT, AND THE PROCESS TAKES A YEAR, THEN WHAT AM I TO DO AS A PERSON? I JUST WING IT AND THAT'S WHERE THE REAL RISK COMES ON.
WHEREAS IN MY MIND, A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
AS YOU SAID, I'D RATHER THE PRIVATE SECTOR PAY FOR ALL THIS SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
LET'S MOVE THAT PROPERTY ON 30 FEET.
DO WE REALLY NEED A FLOOD STUDY TODAY? OR DO WE NEED TO DO IT WHENEVER WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT THERE, WHAT KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS? AND SO ME JUST A DISCUSSION, WHAT KIND OF LED TO THIS WHOLE THING OR THE THING FOR THE PAST YEAR I'VE BEEN ON, SO, SO AT THIS, WHAT'S REQUIRED.
AND WHEN WE, WE TRY AND HEAD OFF AND CREATE AN EXPECTATION AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE WITH PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WHAT WE, WE SCHEDULE THEM TO HAVE THAT MEETING AND THEN THEY GIVE TO US THAT
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LETTER OF INTENT, THAT ENGINEER'S LETTER OF INTENT AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS AND GIVE US AN IDEA WHEREIN WHEN THEY MEET WITH US, EVERYBODY ON STAFF AND OUTSIDE OF STAFF, OUR THIRD PARTY PARTNERS AS WELL, COME INTO THAT MEETING THURSDAY MORNINGS AND AND HOPEFULLY CAN GIVE THEM MORE THAN AN IDEA, BUT AN AN ACTUAL EXPECTATION OF THE DETERMINATION, WHETHER IT WOULD BE A FULL TIA OR NOT.SO IF YOU WERE TO COME IN AND SAY, I'M BUYING LAND, I'M NOT BUILDING ANYTHING ON IT, THE FIRST THING THEY'RE GONNA SAY IS, WELL THEN THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR, WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE IN DISPUTE.
ONE THOUGHT THEY NEEDED TIS AND THE QUESTIONS COMING BACK, THERE'S A DEBATE BECAUSE OF STUFF WE'RE ASKING FOR IS 95% OF TIA AND I RUN THROUGH A COUPLE DIFFERENT ENGINEERING PEOPLE AND THEY'RE LIKE, YOU BASICALLY, IN ORDER TO GET THAT, YOU HAVE TO DO A TIA.
SO THE PEOPLE DID A TIS AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE'RE TOLD BECAUSE IT'S VACANT LAND, THEY DON'T NEED TO DO A TIA AND NOW THEY'RE THROUGH THE PRELIMINARY PLANT AND NOW THEY'RE BEING TOLD THAT THEY GOTTA COME BACK.
AND NOW THEY GOTTA, THEY HAVE TO DO, UM, GO BACK TO THE PROCESS OR WHATEVER AND DO THE T-I-A-I-I THINK.
AND SO IT'S JAMES, I'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT THIS.
I THINK THE DEVELOPING WORLD AND THE CITY WORLD ARE BOTH SPEAKING ENGLISH ONE, SPEAKING AUSTRALIAN AND ONE SPEAKING AMERICAN.
AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS LINING UP BECAUSE STAFF IS ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND EVERYBODY GETS IT, BUT THE COMMUNICATION THEY'RE PUTTING OUT, PEOPLE ARE NODDING THEIR HEADS YES.
AND THEN WHEN THEY COME THROUGH, THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
AND THEN STAFF'S LIKE, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU, YOU DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, BUT THIS IS WHAT THE DEVELOPING WORLD CALLS, WHATEVER.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS ALL HAPPENING WHILE THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO PLANT A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I MEAN, YOU CAN IMAGINE ALL THESE LITTLE DISPUTES ARE RISING BECAUSE, OKAY, SO, AND I DIDN'T EVEN GET INTO IT.
BEFORE YOU PLANT THE PROPERTY, THEN YOU GET TO FINAL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR PLANS ENGINEERED, YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIKE A LIST.
YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE ROADS ENGINEERED.
YOU'D HAVE TO EITHER HAVE THE ROADS BUILT OR FISCAL POSTED ON THEM.
SO YOU'RE TALKING SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY BEFORE.
SO WE, WE HAVE, AND I, I PUT SOME NOTES DOWN ON HERE ABOUT INTERACTIONS AND IONS AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT RE RELOCATE THE REQUIREMENTS TO SITE AND CONSTRUCTION PLAN REVIEW PHASE RATHER THAN THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE.
AND WE CAN GO BACK AND FIND OUT WHAT OF THIS LIST, UM, CAN BE DONE EARLY AND THEN WHAT CAN BE DONE AT THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE.
BUT THERE'S SOME STUFF THAT I'LL SHOW UP ON THIS AND OF COURSE NOT.
SO THERE'S LOTS ON THE RIGHT SIDE THAT ARE ON CHRIS KELLY.
IF YOU WERE TO PLATE THOSE JUST AS BOXES ON PAPER AND GET THAT RECORDED, THERE'S A CERTAIN ENTITLEMENT THAT COMES ALONG WITH THAT THAT MAY VERY WELL BE INCONGRUENT WITH THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF BEING ABLE TO ASSIMILATE THAT INTO OUR SYSTEM.
EVERY ONE OF THOSE LOTS, IF THEY WERE PIECEMEAL, WOULD BE, UH, ALLOWED FOR ITS OWN ACCESS.
EVERY ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE A DRIVEWAY ONTO CHRIS KELLY.
AND THE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FROM THAT WOULD BE, UH, S WHAT'S THAT LAND CURRENTLY DOING? UH, IN THIS, IN THIS EXAMPLE? UM, I MEAN WHATEVER IT'S YEAH, WHATEVER.
IT'S RESIDENTIAL, THEY'RE GONNA GET THROWN IN.
OH, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE STUFF ON THE RIGHT.
BUT THE, THE WAY THAT RESIDE THE COMMERCIAL ON THE RIGHT WORKS WITH THE, THE RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, ON THE CENTER OF THE PICTURE.
I MEAN EACH ONE OF THOSE LOST IS RESIDENTIAL.
YOU'RE GIVING EVERYBODY A DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? WE'RE ALL GETTING, WE'RE ALL GETTING THEY ARE.
I WAS MORE RELATING TO THE STUFF THAT'S COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL ON CHRIS KELLY, THE, THE VERY FIRST LINE.
UH, SO THEY'RE ALL, BUT THEY'RE ALL GETTING ACCESS TO SOMETHING.
EITHER HAVE TO HAVE AN ACCESS EASEMENT AND THEY DO, IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF ALL THE COMMERCIAL LOTS THAT SEPARATE THE COMMERCIAL FROM THE BACKSIDE OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL LOTS, THERE'S A DRIVEWAY MM-HMM
FREQUENT POPEYES H
THE REASON WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENED AND THAT ALL DAYLIGHTS DOWN AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, WHICH IS A, YOU KNOW, CARL STERN AT AT THERE, UM, IS BECAUSE IT ALL CAME IN AT THE SAME TIME.
AND WE CAN LOOK AT HOLISTIC AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT THE, THE BEST OPTION.
'CAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, WHEN I GO TO SMOKE MILLS FOR LUNCH, I DON'T WANNA JUST BLAST OUT ONTO CHRIS KELLY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SCHOOL AND THE OPEN CAMPUS AND THERE'S PEOPLE WALKING.
UM, BUT AT LEAST THE LIGHT GIVES ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SOME SEMBLANCE OF SANITY AS I TRY AND GET BACK NORTH TO WORK.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO SOMETIMES I'M WONDERING ABOUT WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD OF, YOU KNOW, MCALLISTERS COMING IN THERE AND HAVING TO BUILD ALL THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE AND DO ALL THE THINGS THAT WE PUSHED OFF FROM THE FIRST PART ONTO THIS PART BY THEMSELVES.
IF YOU GO BACK REAL QUICK, I, I WANNA, I WANT TO CORRECT SOMETHING LESS DEVELOPERS THINK I'M WORRIED ABOUT THEM.
IF, IF WE DON'T SAY WE JUST ALLOW THEM TO BUY AND SUBDIVIDE AND WE DON'T DO SOME OF THE
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REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE.I'M NOT SAYING EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THAT LIST NEEDS TO STAY BY ANY MEANS.
WHAT, WHAT I'M TRYING TO, TO GET ACROSS THAT HAPPENS IS, LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY WHERE MCALLISTER'S IS, THAT PROPERTY WASN'T READY TO BUILD AND IT WAS A SEPARATE PROPERTY OWNER, AND THEN THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH WAS READY TO BUILD, BUT THE PROPERTY SOUTH OF IT WASN'T READY TO BUILD, THEN WE HAVE A PROBLEM BECAUSE, BECAUSE THERE'S NO REQUIREMENTS FOR US TO HAVE REQUIRED THE JOINT ACCESS ON THE BACK WHENEVER THOSE WERE DONE.
IF WE TAKE THAT PART OUT IN THE BEGINNING, YOU END UP WITH LOTS THAT HAVE, THEY CAN'T GET A PERMIT FROM TXDOT, LET'S SAY.
THEN YOU END UP WITH THE COMMUNITY BEING HARMED BECAUSE THE LOTS CAN'T DEVELOP AS FAST AS THEY CAN.
IF WE CLEAR ALL OF THOSE HURDLES AT THE FRONT, NOW WHAT THAT ENDS UP MEANING IS, IS OKAY MAYBE LIKE THAT ONE LOT ON THERE THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT BUILT.
IT ACTUALLY DOES HAVE THE ACCESS EASEMENT ON THE BACK ALREADY BECAUSE IT WAS REQUIRED WHENEVER IT CAME IN AND GOT PLOTTED.
SO LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WITH ACCESS, WHICH I KNOW YOU POINTED OUT.
THE STATE SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THE LOTS ARE BUILDABLE.
I DON'T PARTICULARLY CARE THAT THE DEVELOPER IS OKAY.
I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT HOLDING UP OTHER PROPERTIES FROM DEVELOPING AND OR SUBDIVIDING PARCELS THAT ACTUALLY CAN'T BE PRODUCTIVELY PUT INTO USE.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING, I GET YOUR SCENARIO.
IT'S, I DON'T, THIS MIGHT BE, I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR PROBLEM THAT YOU'RE ACTIVELY BUYING A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HOWARD, YOU HAVE TO GET ACCESS TO HOWARD, YOU NEED TO TALK TO YOUR LANDOWNER AND SOLVE IT THAT WAY.
BUT BY YOU PROTECTING US, PROTECTING YOU FROM MAKING THAT MISTAKE, YOU ARE HARMING THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT IS AT A STANDSTILL WAITING TO GO THROUGH THIS SIX TO 12 MONTH PROCESS.
AND WE'RE BURNING UP A LOT OF STAFF TIME TO DO THIS JUST TO GET SIMPLE PARCELS.
NOW WHAT THE CITY OF ROUND ROCK HAS DONE IS YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T HAVE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE INTERPERSONAL ACCESS BETWEEN EVERY SINGLE PARCEL.
IT'S BY SAY THAT WOULDN'T BE A PERMIT TO BUILD MM-HMM
SO YOU COULD HAVE AN EASEMENT TO GO ACROSS THAT PROPERTY, BUT YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUILD THE IMPROVEMENTS TO GO.
BUT, WELL, I'M JUST SAYING, SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE CITY IS GETTING INVOLVED IN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TO TRY TO MAKE SURE, AS YOU SAID, IT DOESN'T SLOW DOWN AND HARM THE COMMUNITY.
BUT I'M TELLING YOU WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY DOING IS IT'S DRIVING UP THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS HARMING THE COMMUNITY.
AND, AND I, AND I DISAGREE FOR THIS ONE REASON.
WE'VE YOU FROM 20 YEARS DOING IT, YOU'RE HURTING THE COMMUNITY OF THE DEVELOPERS.
I, I KNOW, BUT, BUT HERE WHAT I'M ACTUALLY SAYING, BECAUSE THAT TIMEFRAME IS BASED ON EVERYTHING BEING LOADED INTO THE PLATING PROCESS TODAY.
AND I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT EVERYTHING STAY THERE.
A LOT OF THOSE THINGS COULD PULL OUT AND GO INTO SITE PLANNING.
BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE DO NEED TO CONTROL AND TO KEEP AT, THAT'S ALL THIS TO FOCUS ON.
WHAT DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT'S RIGHT.
LIKE TREE SURVEYS THAT HAVE TO HAVE LATER ON WE'LL TALK, I'D LIKE TO PUSH THAT OFF TO THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE.
I ARGUE WE DON'T NEED TO DO A TREE SURVEY ANYWAY BECAUSE IF YOU OWN A PROPERTY, WHY DOES THE GOVERNMENT GET TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO WITH MY TREE? BECAUSE YOU CAN CHARGE ME TAX ON IT.
WELL, THE GOVERNMENT DECIDES WHETHER WE'RE GONNA CARE ABOUT TREES OR NOT.
COUNCIL, IF THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T CARE ABOUT TREES, THEN WE DON'T NEED TREE SURVEYS.
IF THE GOVERNMENT CARES ABOUT TREES, THEN WE DO.
NOW FLOOD I GET, BECAUSE WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING, YOU'RE IMPERVIOUS AREA, RIGHT? AT THE TIME YOU'RE DOING YOUR PLANS, YOU COULD SHIFT A FLOODING ISSUE 'CAUSE YOU'RE TAKING IMPERVIOUS AREA, MAKING IT IMPERVIOUS AND PUSHING THAT OFF ON SOMEBODY ELSE.
THAT'S ONE THAT KNOW THAT THAT'S ONE THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE PLOTTING THOUGH.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU'RE GONNA DO IMPERVIOUS COVER WHAT THE ACTUAL DRAINAGE ISSUES ARE GOING TO BE.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S ONE THAT HAS THE STAY AT THE FRONT END.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING WITH PLA A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO PUT PLA COMMENTS ON THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS YOU CAN HAVE.
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, IS WHEN YOU CHANGE YOUR CODE, GRANDFATHERED EVERYTHING IN WHERE IF YOU JUST, BUT LIKE THE COUNTY'S REAL BIG ON, YOU GOTTA PUT THE, THIS IS A 60%, THIS IS A 50.
WELL THEN WHEN THEY CHANGE THEIR CODE AT SOME POINT MM-HMM
EVERYTHING'S GRANDFATHERED IN.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DO THAT.
I I DON'T WANNA SEE ANY ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND APPLY SETBACKS GET PUT ON THERE TOO.
AND THEN IT BECOMES AN
BUT YOU DON'T KNOW IF WHAT THE ZONING IS FOR A PIECE OF LAND THAT GETS PLATTED IF THE ZONING CHANGES, SETBACKS ARE ESTABLISHED IN THE ZONING SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE.
AND IF YOU GET A DIFFERENT ZONING, YOU'LL HAVE DIFFERENT SETBACKS.
I MEAN THERE'S A NUMBER OF REASONS WHY THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, NO LONGER APPLICABLE.
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I COULD SAY, YOU COULD PUT THE REDUNDANT NOTE ON THERE THAT READS THIS WILL BE DEVELOPED PURSUANT TO THE ACTIVE CODE OF THE JURISDICTION OF RECORD.I GOTTA I GOTTA READ THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY CODE.
I GOTTA READ THE ZONING ORDINANCE, I GOTTA READ THE SUBRES.
I MEAN THAT'S A MATTER OF COURSE ANYWAY, BUT YOU CAN PUT THAT ON PLAT.
BUT WHEN THEY PUT THOSE DASH LINES ON THERE THAT SAYS A 25 FOOT FRONT YARD, THERE'S A PLAT AT MY HOUSE ON MY, MY HOME AND THE THE PLATFORM, IT HAS THE SETBACK LINE LISTED ON IT AND I'VE GOT AT LEAST TWO ACCESSIBILITY THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THAT BECAUSE IT'S IN COUNTY.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO SETBACKS.
SO I'M BAFFLED AS TO WHY THE
BECAUSE IF YOU WERE IN A NEIGHBORING CITY, IT'S TWO TO THREE YEARS TO GET THE DEFINING PROCESS.
AND SO WE ARE WELL AND WE ARE GOOD, BUT I'M TRYING TO, TO BETTER, AND I'M GONNA KEEP GOING.
YOU TALKED ABOUT CHANGING THE PROCESS FLOW.
I DON'T, I REMEMBER WHICH UH, SLIDE IT WAS, BUT UM, IS IT, IS IT, AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR THE ANSWER RIGHT NOW, BUT JUST PUTTING A SEED, IS IT, IS THERE ANY WAY TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PLAT FLOWS? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PULLING THINGS OUT MORE? THAT, MORE THAN, OKAY, SO THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE.
AND THE OTHER THING IS ABOUT PARK DEDICATION.
I REMEMBER, UM, THAT THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAD 15 ACRES YET THE PARK DEDICATION IS FOR 15 ACRES OF CASH BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
AND I, I THINK IT WAS JUST A REALLY LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT, BUT I REMEMBER THAT WAS AN ISSUE.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN OWN OR WAS IT A ON COUNCIL? BUT IS THAT LOOKED AT IN THE PLANNING PROCESS? 'CAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT, UH, I THINK THAT HAS TO BE FIXED IN THE ORDINANCE FOR
AND THEN IT GOES TO THE PARKS BOARD FOR THEM TO, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE GOTTA LOOK AT.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THEY HAD TO DONATE MORE LAND FOR A PARK THAN THEY WERE ACTUALLY THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAD, THAT WAS THE ONE THEY HAD 15, THEY HAD 15 ACRES WAS A DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK BECAUSE IT'S BY THE UNIT.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A PRORATED AMOUNT OF
YOU REMEMBER THAT, UH, P AND Z THING WHERE WE HAD 15 ACRES DEVELOPMENT AND THEY HAD TO DO, I REMEMBER, I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME, BUT YEAH.
SO, AND THEY HAD 15 ACRES AND IT WAS LIKE $800,000.
'CAUSE THE NUMBER OF UNITS HAD TO DO IN LIEU OF THE PARK DEVELOPMENT.
SO AS LONG AS WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, I JUST WANNA BRING THAT UP.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD BRING UP WITH PARKS AND SAY IF THAT'S WORKING OR NOT WORKING, LIKE WE SHOULD MAYBE PUT A CAP ON, RIGHT.
HOW MUCH WE ACCEPT BASED UPON, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE PARKS DEDICATION IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF, YOU KNOW, RECREATION OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECREATE WHEREVER IT IS THAT THEY ARE.
SO THEY CAN GO TO ONE OF OUR PARKS.
AND SO, AND ANOTHER ONE, I I THINK IT MAY BE IN THE SAME ONE THAT THE, THE PARK THAT THEY, ANOTHER ONE THAT THAT, THAT THE PARK THEY DEDICATE THE PARKLAND THEY DEDICATED WAS A PRIVATE PARK.
IT WASN'T OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS JUST AN OVERSIGHT WHEN TO NOT AT ALL.
BUT MAYBE THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING PIT GOT THROUGH.
THEY WERE WANTING IT WAS THE SAME ONE.
THEY WERE WANTING CREDIT FOR THEIR APARTMENT AMENITIES AGAINST THE PARKS.
THAT THAT'S, I MEAN THAT'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE A ONE OFF.
SO I MEAN, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT TO, TO DEAL WITH, I'M ALWAYS ABOUT THE WHY.
LIKE I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE AND, AND SPECIFIC CRITIQUE OF THINGS THAT WE CAN SPECIFICALLY CHANGE IN OUR PROCESS RATHER THAN TRYING TO NECESSARILY SHIFT WITH THE WIND PER SE FOR, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.
UM, BUT WE, WE ARE ABLE TO RELOCATE SOME, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENTS TO THE SITE AND CONSTRUCTION PLAN REVIEW PHASE.
I I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED AND UNCLEAR HOW THE CONSTRUCTION COMMUNITY WILL, WILL REACT TO SOME OF THAT.
THAT IN THE EARLIER EXAMPLE WHERE WE TALKED, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THIS AND THE COMMERCIAL ON THAT, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THIS, THIS PHOTO AND, AND WE LOOK AT SOMEBODY AND SAY, YOU KNOW, TOUGH SAND, SORRY THAT YOU CAN'T GET ACCESS TO YOUR LOT, BUT THAT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM.
I THINK THAT HURTS US FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT OF BEING ABLE TO BRING BUSINESSES HERE BECAUSE A BUSINESS COMES IN AND SAYS, WELL WAIT A MINUTE.
I WAS GONNA BUILD A WALGREENS, A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT WALGREENS ON AN ACRE AND A HALF, BUT NOW MY DEVELOPMENT COSTS HAVE QUADRUPLE BECAUSE I HAVE TO DO THE STUFF THAT WASN'T PREPARED FOR ME ON A SHOVEL READY LOT THAT I MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND ACROSS THE TOLL ROAD.
AND SO WHEN YOU SAY IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE CITY'S PROBLEM PER SE.
THOSE EMPTY LOTS THAT SIT THERE FALLOW WILL EVENTUALLY JUST BECOME A, A NUISANCE AND, AND A CITY PROBLEM.
ANYBODY WHO PUTS THE LAND TO BUILD A HYPOTHETICAL WALGREENS, THE FIRST THING YOU DO IS YOU'RE CHECKING, THAT'S PART OF YOUR DUE DILIGENCE IS WHAT'S IT ZONED AT? IS THE THING BIG ENOUGH? DO I HAVE ACCESS? AND IF YOU'RE TRYING TO BUY THE, THE WHOLE ISSUE IS, IT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING OTHER THAN, EXCEPT FOR THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, I JUST NEED TO GET THE THREE ACRES.
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HAVING TO PUT ALL THIS MONEY AT RISK UPFRONT IN ORDER JUST TO GET THE THREE ACRES.'CAUSE THE LANDOWNER HAS A GUN TO MY HEAD AND SAYS, YOU'VE ONLY GOT SIX MONTHS TO CLOSE ON THIS PROPERTY, SO I GOTTA DO A TIA THE FLOOD.
AND I'M TELLING YOU THAT THE, THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, ANY OF'EM THAT YOU WANT DEVELOPING IN YOUR CITY IS GONNA BE AT A IS NOT GONNA TAKE A RISK.
YOU JUST GO BUY AN ACRE AND A HALF AND THEN COME UP AND GO, GUYS, I CAN'T BUILD MY STORE.
WELL THEN YOU'RE NOT BUILDING A WALGREENS THERE.
UH, AND THEY, THEY JUST DON'T, THEY JUST DON'T MAKE THOSE.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE SOME PEOPLE BUY A HOUSE WITHOUT HAVING IT INSPECTED, BUT WE'RE NOT IN THERE, WE'RE NOT IN THERE MAKING SURE THEY INSPECT THE HOUSE.
THAT'S A RISK YOU TAKE AS A HOME BUILDER.
AND WE HAVEN'T COME UP HERE ALL THE TIME AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THINGS WITH THEIR BUILDER AND IT'S LIKE, THAT'S NOT ON US, THAT'S ON YOU.
IF IT WAS US, WE'D HAVE TO HIRE A HUNDRED MORE PEOPLE.
SO I THINK WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SERIOUSLY, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SOLVE.
I THINK IF YOU, IF WE SET UP A DEAL TO TALK WITH THE PEOPLE DOING THE THINGS, THE CONSULTANTS, THEY ARE, IT'S A CENTRAL TEXAS THING.
THEY ARE BESIDE THEMSELVES HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO MOVE A LINE 30 FEET OR TO BREAK OFF.
WELL, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, MINOR AND MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS, THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY VERSUS THINGS THAT HAVE TO GO TO LIKE FULL P AND Z OR, OR FULL WHAT HAVE YOU.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE TO TREAT THESE THINGS INDIVIDUALLY AS THEY COME TO US BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ONE SET OF PANTS THAT EVERYBODY CAN WEAR.
I MEAN, THINGS HAVE TO BE TAILORED TO THE PROJECT.
UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOUGHER WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME IN AND SAY, WELL I'M JUST GONNA BUY IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA DO.
BECAUSE WHAT IF YOU, WHAT IF YOU GET IT WRONG? LIKE WHAT, WHAT WHAT COST IS THERE TO THE COMMUNITY OF A NUISANCE DEVELOPMENT? AND I'M NOT, NUISANCE IS WRONG 'CAUSE IT, IT HAS SUCH A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION TO IT.
BUT THERE'S THINGS WITH A HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE.
BUT IF YOU BUILD SOMETHING NEW THAT FROM THE JUMP HAS A LOW LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR WHATEVER REASON, WHETHER IT FLOODS ALL THE TIME OR TRAFFIC CAN'T GET AROUND IT AT THE WRONG HOUR OF THE DAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING THE, THE ENDEAVOR PROJECT OVER THERE AT ONE 30.
AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE TRAFFIC, UM, THEY WANT TO COME TO COUNCIL, THEY WANT TO, THEY WANNA MAKE YOU ALL THE JUDGE JUDY AND HEAR BOTH SIDES
THE, THE DATA THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER EMPIRICALLY LOOKS PRETTY BAD OVER THERE.
THAT'S REALLY GOING TO HAVE A DELETERIOUS EFFECT ON THAT INTERSECTION AREA OVER THERE.
AND THEY BEING DEVELOPER OR TEXT? IT'S, IT'S PAID REALLY IT'S THE ENGINEER FOR THE DEVELOPER.
BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE DOING THE, THE MATH AND, AND HAVING THE MEETINGS WITH US.
AND IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU SAY THAT SAME LANGUAGE, DIFFERENT DIALECT.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME EMPIRICAL NUMBERS THAT WE ARE AND THEY'RE SAYING, SEE THAT'S NOT BAD.
YOU DON'T SEE, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT PEAK HOUR NUMBERS THAT ARE GOING FROM 400 AND CHANGE TO 1200 AND CHANGE AND GOING, UH, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA GET NOTICED.
SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA PICK UP.
I KNOW, BUT I, I SPENT, I SPENT AN ENTIRE CAREER SITTING AND AND PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS WRONG WAY.
YOU SIT IN FRONT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER RAN, NEVER DEVELOPED, NEVER OPERATED DIFFERENT USES.
AND THEY'RE TELLING YOU WHY YOU'RE WRONG.
AND PEOPLE LIKE SPROUTS, THEY LOOK AT IT AND THEY'VE GOT 600 OR MCDONALD'S HAS 10,000 OR WALGREENS HAS 8,000.
AND SO THEY'RE LIKE, IT WILL WORK.
AND SO YOU SPEND YOUR WHOLE TIME FIGHTING WITH SOMEONE WHO LOOKS AT IT FROM A WHOLE DIFFERENT LENS.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THE CITY'S ALWAYS HAVE IT WRONG, I'M JUST SAYING THAT SOMETIMES YOU'VE NEVER EVEN SAT IN AND WALKED IN THE SHOES OR EVEN OPERATED THAT.
IT'S EASY TO SAY YOU GO TO NORTH TEXAS, EVERYTHING'S UNDER PARKED.
THE WHOLE CITY IS ABOUT YOU NEED MORE PARKING AND YOU COME TO CENTRAL TEXAS FROM THE SAME STATE.
AND HERE OVER PARKING IS NOT AN ISSUE HERE.
A LOT OF CITIES ARE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE PARKING.
AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN REASONS.
AND SO EACH REGION HAS THEIR OWN REASONS WHY.
AND I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT IT, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S THE, IT'S THE GOVERNMENT TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE HOW TO DEVELOP FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY TO NOT HAVE FOUL LOSS.
BUT YOU END UP HAVING FOUL LOSS.
WE HAVE FRONT STREET AS VACANT LOTS.
WHY ARE THEY VACANT? IS IT BECAUSE OF PEOPLE WANT TOO MUCH MONEY? THEY'RE NOT DEVELOPABLE? IS IT SOMETHING WE'VE DONE ON THE CITY SIDE? SO I THINK WHEN WE START TRYING TO PICK AND CHOOSE RULES, I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU END UP.
UM, AND I THINK IT WOULD REALLY BE HELPFUL IF WE, AND NOT TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO DEVELOP, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA STEP ON SHOES, THEY JUST WANNA GET THROUGH THE PROCESS.
BUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN IN AND OUT AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHY I USED THE PEOPLE I DID TO GET THE INFORMATION.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T DO BUSINESS OUT HERE.
AND SO OUTSIDE LOOKING IN AND THERE'S AN NA HERE, N-A-I-O-P, WHAT'S THAT? WHAT YOU'RE CALLED? MM-HMM.
SO THEY, THAT'S ANOTHER BIG GROUP.
UH, A BUNCH OF ENGINEERS THAT ARE, BUT THEY'RE
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NOT, THEY'RE NOT GOVERNMENT ENGINEERS BECAUSE ONCE YOU'VE GONE TO THE GOVERNMENT SIDE AND COME BACK, THERE'S SOME BENEFITS TO THAT.BUT FROM THE, JUST THE PRIVATE SIDE ONLY, THEY HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING AT THINGS.
BUT I THINK IF WE GET ALL THOSE PEOPLE TOGETHER, WHAT I'M HOPING FOR IS THAT PLANNING GOES FASTER AND THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE PLANTS BEING DONE, BUT YOU'RE CHARGING $3,000 A PLAT AND YOU COME BACK, OH, YOU NEED 20 MORE FEET.
MOVE THE LINE, HAVE IT RECORDED BY FRIDAY, BUT IT'S GONNA COST YOU $3,000.
YEAH, BUT I JUST DID THIS A MONTH AGO.
YOU PUT THE LINE ON A PIECE OF PAPER, YOUR ENGINEER SIGNED IT.
OUR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED.
AND TO ME, WHAT WE END UP DOING IS SPENDING $10,000 IN BAND HOURS, IT SEEMS TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS LINE ON OUR TIME OR MAKE SURE IT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
AND I THINK YOU GUYS ARE OVERWORKED ON STUFF THAT I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S FROM BEING IN DALLAS, WORKING HOUSTON, WORKING THE VALLEY, WORKING IN, YOU KNOW, THE EAST COAST.
EVERYBODY'S GOT A DIFFERENT WAY.
AND THEN YOU GO UP TO BELL COUNTY, THEY HAVE A ONE FOOT, YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR PERMITS THROUGH T OUT, RIGHT? UM, TO GET A DRIVE PERMIT.
FROM THE TDO ROAD IN BELL COUNTY, YOU HAVE TO PUT A ONE FOOT ACCESS RESTRICTION ON YOUR PLAT ALL THE WAY AROUND.
SO YOU GET YOUR DRIVEWAY PERMITS, A SPIKE STRIP.
THEY REQUIRE A SPIKE STRIP WATER.
AND SO YOU BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND YOU WANNA MOVE IT 20 FEET.
AND THE WHOLE TIME I HAVE THE SAME ARGUMENT THERE.
I'M LIKE, WHY DO YOU HAVE THAT? I CAN'T EVEN ACCESS THE TEXTILE ROAD WITHOUT A PERMIT.
AND I'M LIKE, EVERYBODY'S MAKING SURE I DON'T SCREW UP, BUT IS IT YOUR PROBLEM OR IS THAT TEXTILES PROBLEM? SO THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
YOU SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS, THE LITTLE THINGS AND YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, I GET IT.
SO I MEAN, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT IS WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT IT, IT TAKES TOO LONG.
I'VE WORKED ON THE PRIVATE SIDE.
I'VE SPENT MOST OF THE TIME IN PUBLIC, I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF THIS PROCESS WHERE ALL FOUR OF THESE THINGS NEED TO BE DONE AND APPROVED BEFORE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO TURN THE FIRST SPOON OF DIRT.
I MEAN, TECHNICALLY YOU CAN TRENCH AND PUT IN, YOU KNOW, WIRE BACK TILT FENCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING OUT THERE UNTIL EVERYTHING'S DONE.
THAT'S, I THINK IS NONSENSICAL.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE DONE IN THE PAST THAT I BROUGHT WITH ME FROM GEORGIA WAS THE WHOLE LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT PROCESS.
WE SPLIT THE DISCIPLINES BETWEEN ON GRADE AND BELOW AND THEN ABOVE GRADE.
SO THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS IS ALWAYS YOUR UTILITIES AND YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE GROUND AND THEN PAD SITE AND THEN MOVE UP.
WE CAN GET THROUGH THE IDEA OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT AND A SITE PLAN, WHICH IS BASICALLY A LIMITED SITE PLAN, BUT IT ENDS UP BEING, UM, THE, THE, ALL THE GROUNDWORK WE CAN GET THAT LOOKED AT APPROVED AND SENT OUT THE DOOR.
AND SO THAT LETS THEM MOBILIZE.
THEY WILL CONCENTRATE ON WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE FOR A SOLID THREE WEEKS TO THREE MONTHS, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT.
IN THAT THREE WEEKS TO THREE MONTHS WE CAN BE HERE AND STILL DOING THE STUFF THAT HAPPENS AT THE TAIL END OF THAT, WHICH IS THE FINAL PLAT CAN BE APPROVED AND THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS CAN BE APPROVED.
THEY'RE NOT CONSTANTLY CALLING THE OFFICE SAYING, I'M HANDCUFFED, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL I GET ALL THIS STUFF DONE.
ARE YOU DONE YET? IF WE CAN GET THEM, YOU KNOW, GIVE 'EM AN HOR D'OEUVRE, THEN THEY WON'T WORRY ABOUT WHEN DINNER GETS GETS SET.
I THINK IT'S JUST ABOUT LAND CLOSING IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE.
I'LL GIVE YOU A REAL WORLD EXAMPLE.
THERE'S THREE ACRES OUT OF 40.
IT'S GOT EASEMENTS ALL OVER THE PLACE BECAUSE IT'S GOT WING DRIVES.
800 FOOT WING DRIVES ON A 300 FOOT WIDE DEAL.
PEOPLE WON'T CLOSE ON THE THREE ACRES UNTIL THEY HAVE THE EASEMENT RECORDED, GUARANTEEING THEM ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.
YOU CAN'T RECORD THE EASEMENT UNLESS YOU HAVE, UM, SOME WEIGHT TO DEFY THE LOTS.
AND SO WE KNOW WHAT A PRELIMINARY PLAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LOT ONE BLOCK TWO OF THE SUCH AND SUCH SUBDIVISION OR WHATEVER, BUT YOU CAN'T GET IT RECORDED.
YOU CAN'T GET RE RECORDED TO OUT THE FINAL PLAT, BUT YOU CAN'T GET TO THE FINAL PLAT BECAUSE BY THEN AT 40 ACRES YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING A MILLION SOMETHING IN DEVELOPMENT COSTS JUST TO GET THAT THREE ACRES BROKE OFF.
WHEN IF SOMEONE JUST SAID, LOOK, YOU HAVE AN EASEMENT, WHATEVER IT'S GUARANTEED YOU'RE GONNA GET ACCESS, IT'S DOING IT IS A BLANKET EASEMENT OR WHATEVER, BUT SIGN A PIECE OF PAPER RIGHT HERE, PAY YOUR $3,000, YOU CAN RECORD THE FLAT AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S JUST LIKE A RIPPLE OF A WAVE.
EVERYTHING JUST KIND OF GOES, BUT IT'S THINGS GET GUMMED UP WAITING FOR THAT FINAL PLA TO GET THE LOT ONE BLOCK TWO.
I NEED 40 MORE FEET, I STILL NEED THAT.
WHATEVER THE NEW, WHATEVER THEY CALL IT.
LOT ONE A TWO A OR YEAH, THE, I MEAN I I'VE SEEN IT WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY THAT IT'S TIED TO FINANCING AS WELL.
THAT FINANCING DOESN'T GET LET UNTIL YOU HAVE A PERMIT THAT'S SIGNED FROM THE MUNICIPALITY OR OR WHEREVER THAT I KNOW THAT IF A PERMIT GETS LET THEN YOU CAN GET STARTED ON THINGS AND THAT'S WHERE A SIGN, YOU KNOW, LDP IS CLOSE ENOUGH USUALLY FOR MOST OF WHAT'S GOING ON NOW, A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LETTING THESE CUT THESE PEOPLE EARLY, CUT 'EM LOOSE EARLY, I SHOULD SAY.
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UM, THERE'S RISK.THIS PROJECT ON THE LEFT I WORKED ON AND KYLE, ALL THAT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT'S A RETIREMENT HOME AND IT'S GONNA BE HARD 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE A, THE, THE DRIVEWAYS, UH, SO I'M LOOKING AT THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT, THE, THE DRIVEWAYS, THE TWO LITTLE CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY THAT'S SORT OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE BURNT ORANGE COLOR THERE.
AND THEN IT, THE, THE, THE DRIVEWAY WRAPPED AROUND THE BUILDING AND IT WENT ABOUT, UH, HALF THE WAY AROUND THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND STOPPED.
THAT'S WHERE THE BACK OF THE KITCHEN WAS FOR DELIVERIES.
FOR THE, UM, BASICALLY FOR EVERYTHING BUT REALLY FOR THE KITCHEN AND FOR THE CAFETERIA.
AND, UM, WE HAD JUST CREATED THIS PROCESS OF THE, THE LDP.
AND SO, UM, THEY HAD THEIR, UH, PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS APPROVED, THEIR SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED THAT GAVE THEM THE LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT AND THEY WENT OUT INTO THE, UH, INTO THE WORLD AND STARTED.
AND WE SAID, THAT'S GONNA BE A RISK FOR YOU BECAUSE IF ANYTHING CHANGES WITH YOUR BUILDING PLANS THAT AFFECTS YOUR SITE PLAN, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REDO ALL THE STUFF ALL OVER AGAIN.
AND THEY SAID, THAT'S FINE, WE DON'T CARE.
THEY WENT OUT INTO THE FIELD AND STARTED CUTTING DIRT.
THE BUILDING PLANS WENT THROUGH LIFE SAFETY REVIEW AND LIFE SAFETY SAID UHUH, I NEED TO GET ALL THE WAY AROUND THIS BUILDING, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE TENANTS THAT ARE IN THE BUILDING.
AND THEY SAID THE MAIN ROAD'S FINE, WE CAN PARK ON THE STREET AND WE CAN GET ACCESS TO ANY OF THOSE THREE LITTLE, UH, WINGS THAT ARE POINTING OFF TO THE NORTHWEST THERE.
UH, THEY SAID, BUT AS THAT'S A BRIDGE TOO FAR ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE THERE TO GET ALL THE WAY TO THE BUILDING.
AND THERE WAS NOTHING AROUND THE BACK.
SO THEY DID, THEY HAD TO START OVER AGAIN AND DO THE REST OF THAT AND MAKE ENTRANCES ON THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THAT'S AN EXTREME CASE, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL A CASE.
BUT OTHERWISE, BUT SOME DEVELOPERS ARE GOOD.
THEIR JOB MAKE A LOT OF MONEY AND SOME OF 'EM DON'T DEVELOP SO WELL.
THEY, THEY, THEY DON'T, I, I'M CERTAIN IN MY HEART, UM, THAT THEY JUST DRAW WHAT THEY WANT AND THEN THEY THROW IT INTO US AND WE ARE THE QA QC FOR THEM.
THEY DON'T RECO THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN WHAT IS AND IS NOT ALLOWED.
AND TO AN EXTENT I HAVE EMPATHY FOR THAT BECAUSE I WOULD ALSO SUBMIT PLANS TO DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES AND IT SEEMED LIKE EVERYBODY HAD A DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING AT IT SOMETIMES.
SO WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU JUST SAY SAME CODE DIFFERENTLY.
I'M NOT GONNA READ EVERY CODE, I'M JUST GONNA DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT AND THEN LET THEM QA AND QC IT AND GIVE IT BACK.
I, YOU KNOW, I GET A FREE CONSULTANT THAT, THAT BRINGS THAT BACK A BUZZER.
DIDN'T WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION? HOWARD WAS NOT HERE, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONVEYANCE PLA TO USE FOR THE THREE ACRE EXAMPLE.
THE DEVELOPMENT PLA THAT'S WHAT MATT WAS WORKING ON.
I WAS FORMALLY WITH THE CITY OF DENTON.
WE USE DEVELOPMENT PLATS, BUT THE CONVEYANCE PLA IS SPECIFICALLY NOT A DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL JUST TO TRANSFER THE LAND FROM PROPERTY OWNER TO PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO, SO THERE IS PROCESS THAT WE CAN USE FOR YOUR THREE ACRE EXAMPLE.
AND HERE'S ALSO THE STATE ONCE IT DONE IN 30 DAYS.
NOW WHAT I'VE SEEN CITIES DO IS THEY SAY, I'LL REVIEW IT IN 30 DAYS.
BUT I'M GONNA MAKE SURE ALL MY BOXES ARE CHECKED.
SO THAT'S THE CHECKLIST, RIGHT? IF YOU MISS ANYTHING ON THE CHECKLIST, WE DON'T EVEN ACCEPT IT.
AND, AND, AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE STATE OBVIOUSLY WANTS IT TO SPEED UP BECAUSE THE DEVELOPING COMMUNITY IS SAYING IT'S TAKEN SO LONG AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS IT SAID THE MINUTE YOU SUBMIT IT AND YOU HIT EVERYTHING, I'LL GET IT TURNED AROUND TWO WEEKS.
BUT WE'RE BANKRUPT TO THE PEOPLE TRYING TO GET INTO THAT PROCESS.
BUT ANYWAY, I I'M, I'M VERY, I DID FORGET ABOUT THAT.
I HAD QUITE A BIT OF EMPATHY WHEN IT COMES TO INEFFICIENCY.
I DON'T WANNA SEE THE PRIVATE SECTOR BURN MONEY SENSELESSLY.
UM, THAT HURTS EVERYBODY IN THE SYSTEM AND WE'RE ALL IN THE SYSTEM.
'CAUSE I WANT THEM TO PAY THAT MONEY HOWARD IN DEVELOPMENT FEES, NOT IN, 'CAUSE THEY ALWAYS SAY THIS, I'LL PAY MORE IF I CAN GET THROUGH FASTER.
SO TO HIS POINT, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE WAS A PARALLEL.
YOU GOT THIS EFFICIENT ONE THAT COSTS A WHOLE LOT MORE.
'CAUSE THEN THAT'S MONEY WE CAN GO SPEND ON IMPROVEMENTS OR YOU GOT THE SLOW ONE AND THEN LET THEM PICK IT.
THEY WANNA PAY THREE TIMES AS MUCH TO GO THROUGH IT AND TAKE THE RISK.
AND I'M LIKE, THAT'S PARK MONEY.
AS LONG AS BOTH OF THEM END UP WITH A, YOU KNOW, AN AN ORDERLY MEANS OF PROTECTING THE FOLKS THAT ARE HAVE ALREADY INVESTED AND ARE ALREADY HERE.
BUT I WOULD, I WOULD HATE TO BE SOMEBODY ON, UH, INNOVATION RIGHT NOW AND THEN REALIZE THIS MASSIVE PROJECT IS GONNA BE DEVELOPED ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH IS GONNA BE A HUGE TRAFFIC GENERATOR FOR 90 MINUTES EVERY EVENING AND SATURDAYS MORNING.
HOW DID THAT HAPPEN WITH THE PLATEAU? BECAUSE WELL, BECAUSE BECAUSE WE'RE REQUIRING THE, THE TIA TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHERE THE DRIVEWAY CUTS ARE AND THE CIRCULATION THAT'S AROUND
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THE SITE.THAT'S PROCESS STILL HAS TO HAPPEN SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD WHEN THEY FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
IF WE, IF WE PUSH ALL THAT ONTO, YOU KNOW, SPROUTS THEMSELVES, NOT ENDEAVOR NOR ENDEAVORS, DESIGN PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE THE ONES THAT ARE DOING IT NOW.
THEY ARE CREATING HOPEFULLY A SHOVEL-READY LOT THAT THEY CAN SELL TO SOMEBODY FOR PROBABLY BIG MONEY.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I PUT ON HERE.
WILL A DISCOUNT FOR LAND APPEAR TO COMPENSATE FOR THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE? ARE LOTS GONNA BE CHEAPER NOW BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO DO ALL THE STUFF? OR ARE YOU STILL GONNA SELL THAT THREE ACRES OFF THAT 40 AT MARKET RATE? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT IF YOU'RE DOING IT FOR YOURSELF.
WHY IS THAT? THE GOVERNMENT'S, IT'S ANOTHER REASON THAT I'M NOT GONNA BUY THAT LOT TO PUT MY BUSINESS THERE AND I WANT TO BRING BUSINESS TO HUDU.
THAT'S WHEN, WHEN THE LOTS ARE EXPENSIVE AND THEY OFFER LESS, LESS PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANNA LOCATE HERE.
AND THAT'S, I'M TELLING YOU, THAT'S PEOPLE NOT, NOT IN THE BUSINESS.
GUESSING THE BUSINESS, YOU GO OUT AND LET IT BE 20 A FOOT OR 25 A FOOT, THAT'S PART OF YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.
AND THAT'S PART OF, HEY, I HAVE TO PUT THIS IN.
I'M GONNA GO BACK AND AMEND THE CONTRACT AND GET MORE MONEY.
I DON'T THINK THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT, HEY, ARE WE GONNA, WE, WHAT ABOUT THIS LANDOWNER? WHAT IF HE BUYS A 20 A FOOT AND FINDS OUT HE HAS TO PUT EXTRA MILLION IN DROP THE LAND? I MEAN THAT'S HIS PROBLEM.
WELL IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, 'CAUSE I'M NOT GONNA CONSIDER YOU GUYS ALL NIGHT.
UM, I I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, IS GET THAT WE, WE HAD CONVENED A PRETTY GOOD SIZED MEETING ON MONDAY THIS WEEK AND WITH ALL THE FOLKS THAT BASICALLY HAVE A SPOON IN THIS CHILI, UM, I THINK PATRICIA AND I CAN PROBABLY GET TOGETHER AND PUT TOGETHER, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF OPTIONS I THINK, AND WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO PICK WHICH OF THE THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE IDEA THAT WE CAN DO MINOR PLATS, ESPECIALLY ADMINISTRATIVE STUFF.
UM, THE THING THAT HAS ALWAYS CONFOUNDED ME IS THAT IF SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH A PLAT DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY ENTITLEMENTS RIGHT? IT DOESN'T NEED RIGHTS OF WAY.
IT ALREADY HAS WATER AND WASTEWATER ACCESS.
IT'S JUST DRAWING THE SQUARE, BUT IT'S WILDLY UNPOPULAR THAT'S GONNA GO IN FRONT OF P AND Z.
WHAT MAKES IT WELL DAMN POPULAR BECAUSE SOMEBODY FINDS OUT WHAT'S GONNA BUILD BE BUILT THERE.
WELL YOU CAN'T ARGUE THE USE CORRECT.
OH, I, YOU HAVE TO SHUT THAT DOWN.
YOU CANNOT LET ANYBODY SPEAK TO THE USE.
I, BECAUSE THEN YOU, I'M RIGHT THERE WITH YOU.
BUT IN, IN THE REAL WORLD, THE GALLERY DOESN'T KNOW THAT.
AND THE GALLERY'S GONNA STATEMENT IN YOUR DEPARTMENT, IT'S NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS WHAT'S GOING ON THEIR PROPERTY UNTIL THEY SUBMIT A SITE PLAN AND TELL YOU WHAT IT'S GONNA DO OUT THERE.
THE GUIDANCE WANTS TO COME IN AND MOVE THE LINE, CHARGE 'EM THE MONEY AND MOVE THE LINE.
IF YOU GUYS ARE ASKING, THIS IS MY OPINION, AT SOME POINT THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO SAY IF I'M CRAZY, BUT IF YOU'RE ASKING WHAT YOU'RE DOING THERE NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS WHAT I'M DOING, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE WE'RE NOT AS, AS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, I WANT TO INSULATE P AND Z FROM THAT BY NOT MAKING THAT GO TO IT SHOULD JUST BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE, SOMETHING THAT WE DO IN THE OFFICE AND WE HAND THEM THE PLANS BACK AND THEY GO GET IT RECORDED.
I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENED IS IF SOMETHING IS PERMISSIBLE BY RIGHT THEN ACT THAT WAY.
HERE'S WHY PNC HAS THAT PROBLEM.
YOUR FIRST SLIDE, YOU REQUIRE A SITE PLAN.
SO NOW PEOPLE ARE COME UP, I GOTTA COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO GET THE THING PLANTED.
SO I JUST MAKE SOMETHING UP AND TRY TO GET IT THROUGH YOU, WHICH GOES IN YOUR Q AND A OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT QC AND QC.
YEAH, BECAUSE I, I DON'T, I'M NOT SPENDING THE TIME IN BECAUSE I'M SO FOCUSED, I JUST GOTTA GET THIS PROPERTY PLATTED BECAUSE THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE I HAVE RIGHT NOW.
SO IF I HAD IT MY WAY, I'D APPLY QUICK AND THEN I'D TAKE MY TIME AND DESIGN A PROJECT, BUT I CAN'T BECAUSE I'M DOING EVERYTHING I CAN JUST TO APPLY THE PROPERTY AND I'M GIVING YOU WHATEVER I CAN IS I'LL AMEND IT LATER.
AND SO P AND Z, THE ONLY REASON THEY HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS IS BECAUSE WE'RE REQUIRING 'EM TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN.
BUT IF YOU DIDN'T REQUIRE 'EM TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN, RIGHT, THE THE ADMINISTRATIVE PLANNING PROCESS WOULDN'T HAVE PROBABLY 75% OF THAT LIST IS THE WAY YOU GOTTA THE GOVERNMENT NEED INVOLVED THIS.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
I'M JUST LISTENING AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YOU'RE TELLING FROM WHAT I'M HEARING THAT THE VERY FIRST SLIDE YOU HIT WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S NEEDED.
ALL THAT IS NEEDED IF I WANT TO MOVE MY LINE 30 FEET OR IF I WANNA BUY THREE ACRES LAND IS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IS THAT TRUE? CAN BE YES.
BECAUSE IF, IF THAT PART IS TRUE, THEN I WOULD AGREE, RIGHT? IF I WANNA GO BUY THREE ACRES OF LAND, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO BUY THREE ACRES OF LAND AND CLOSE ON IT AS SCHOOL AS I CAN.
AND THEN I'M GONNA COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'LL PUT ON THERE.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME.
OR OH, YOU GOTTA DO THIS, YOU GOTTA DO THAT.
AND BECAUSE YOU CLOSED ON IT IN 30 DAYS, YOU GOT IT CHEAPER SO YOU TOOK THE REST.
THAT'S WHY YOU GOT IT CHEAPER.
SO WHEN HOWARD TELLS YOU, SORRY BUDDY, YOU'RE NOT BILLMAN ON THAT LAND, THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM.
YEAH, WELL YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT.
THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER, RIGHT? IT'S THAT DUE DILIGENCE.
IF I, IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS THREE ACRES OF LAND, I ALREADY HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT I WANNA PUT THERE
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AND I JUST NEED TO GET IT SO I CAN START, START THAT IDEA.BUT IF I HAVE TO DO ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, I ONLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, 30 DAYS TO REVIEW IT, DO MY DUE DILIGENCE ON IT, MAYBE 16 IN THE COMMERCIAL.
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN'T GET ALL THAT STUFF DONE, I'M NOT GONNA BUY THE LAND NOW THAT I'VE BEEN HELD UP FOR SIX MONTHS, I'M GONNA SAY NO, IT'S GOTTA GO BACK ON THE MARKET.
SO IF I'M READY TO BUY THAT LAND, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
AND THEN WHEN I COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, I WANNA PUT THIS ON THAT LAND NOW I GOT SIGN, SUBMIT MY SITE PLAN AND MY TIA AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF, AND EITHER YOU'RE GONNA SAY NO OR I'M GONNA, OR YOU'RE GONNA SAY YES, BUT HOPEFULLY I'VE DONE MY ENOUGH HOMEWORK TO KNOW THAT I SHOULD BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, AGREE CERTAIN THAT I CAN BUILD WHAT I WANT.
IF YOU AGREE TO EXTEND A PUBLIC ROAD AS PART OF YOUR PLAT, THE CITY WILL MAKE YOU BUILD THAT ROAD BEFORE YOU GET TO THE FINAL PLAT.
OR THEY'LL MAKE YOU GO BUY A BOND AND, AND POST FISCAL FOR IT.
AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER COST THAT, SO YOU DON'T EVER WANNA AGREE, WHICH HURTS US.
SO YOU'D NEVER WANNA AGREE TO DO ANYTHING FOR THE GOOD OF THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THE MINUTE YOU SAY, SURE, I'LL DO THAT, THEN YOUR PLAT CAN'T BE DONE UNTIL YOU'RE DONE.
SO THE FIRST THING YOU DO IS YOU FIGHT TO NOT DO ANYTHING FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY FASTER PROCESS.
BUT IN REALITY YOU'RE LIKE, I I'D SPENT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS BILL THAT ROAD.
I MUST SAY, WHAT IF I JUST WANNA BUY THE LAND? WHAT IF I, WHAT IF I, I SEE THE VISION IN THE FUTURE.
I JUST WANNA BUY THE THREE ACRES.
I GOTTA SUBMIT ALL THAT PAPERWORK JUST TO BUY THREE ACRES WELL SO THAT I CAN SELL TO SOMEONE ELSE FIVE YEARS DOWN BELOW.
IT DEPENDS ON THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR SUBMITTAL AND IF SOMEBODY SAYS, I'M NOT, I'M NOT PUTTING ANYTHING ON IT, I'M JUST GONNA BUY IT, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THEM AND GO, OKAY, NO TIA OR TIS YOU KNOW, THE, THE ENGINEER'S LOI IS GONNA BE TWO SENTENCES.
UM, YOU, YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE AN ADDRESS FOR IT, BUT IF THE ROAD'S ALREADY THERE, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS DETERMINE WHERE YOU ARE IN THE BLOCK AND GIVE YOU A NUMBER THAT'S COMMENSURATE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS.
UM, THE, THE TREE INVENTORY AND SURVEY.
I MEAN I I DON'T NECESSARILY, IF YOU'RE NOT DEVELOPING ANYTHING ON IT, YEAH, YOU HAVE A PLAN TO LIKELY WE WOULDN'T REQUIRE THAT.
I MEAN THERE'S THINGS THAT WE CONSIDER IT'S NOT JUST, IT'S NOT JUST A BLANKET NEED.
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AND THAT'S, WE NEED TO TALK WITH THE PERSON THAT COMES IN AND ASK THEM.
BUT THAT TAKES TIME ION THOUGH.
UM, I MEAN BASED ON CHECKLIST OF TRIGGERS OF THINGS THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
BUT IT'S NOT, I WOULDN'T LOOK AT YOU AND GO PRETTY SUSPECT
I WALKED IN AND YOU'VE BEEN LIKE, UH, HEY NOW WHAT YOU GONNA HAVE
YOU QUIT WEARING THE CHAINS CHAIN CHAINSAW ON YOUR UH, T-SHIRT WHEN YOU WALK
DO WE
WELL THEY HAVE TO JUST COLLECT THEIR TRAFFIC DATA BEFORE MAY OR AFTER AUGUST.
RIGHT? SO IF I SIGN UP A PIECE OF PROPERTY TOMORROW, I HAVE A 90 DAY DELAY BEFORE I CAN EVEN START THE TIA PROCESS.
SO I'M SIX MONTHS BEFORE I GET THAT SUCKER DONE.
IF YOU SIGN UP PROPERTY IN JUNE AND SEE THAT'S A DETRIMENT TO SOCIETY BECAUSE ALL PLE A PIECE OF PROPERTY YOU JUST HEARD DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, IT'S A THREE MONTH DELAY BUT CHRIS KELLY LOOKING LIKE THE DRIVE THROUGH AT CHICK-FIL-A
NO, 'CAUSE YOU'RE STILL GONNA GET THE TIA, HE'S JUST NOT ALLOWING ME TO BUY MY THREE ACRES.
MIKE, ARE YOU SAYING ISD DOESN'T CAUSE VERY MUCH TRAFFIC AND WE SHOULD DO TIA DURING THE SUMMER ACCORDING TO ISD, THEY DON'T CAUSE TRAFFIC.
SO I DON'T, WE SHOULDN'T BE PART OF THAT.
ACCORDING TO THE DEVELOPERS, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
SO, AND THAT'S THE THING, I'M NOT ADVOCATING, WE DON'T DO THESE THINGS.
I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T NEED CONTEXTUALLY.
'CAUSE THAT JUST PUSHED A APART AT 90 DAYS JUST ON THAT ONE REQUIREMENT.
WELL, IN THE, ALSO IN THE TIMEWISE, UM, SORRY, I I LIKE THIS DOCUMENT.
THE, THE FULL PLANNING PROJECTS.
AND THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I READ THAT WAS THE THING THAT YOU FORWARDED.
I HAD NOT SEEN THAT UNTIL MAYBE YESTERDAY OR SO.
I'VE BEEN PUSHING 'EM AND THEY FIND BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CHARGE BEFORE IT.
SO I'M LOOKING AT G STEPS WOULD, COULD BE ELIMINATED.
SO, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO ON, YOU TALK ABOUT ALL OF THEM.
ALL I'M SAYING IS GOING FORWARD, WHAT ACTION IS GOING ON? WHAT IS WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THIS? COUNCIL NEEDS A DIRECT STEP TOO.
BUT WHAT I'M, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FORMALLY IS THAT THIS IS KINDA LIKE A FLOW CHART, RIGHT? AND THERE, AND THERE MAY BE PARALLEL FLOW CHARTS OR THERE MAY BE JUNCTIONS IN THE FLOW CHART.
SO I GUESS IS, IS PUTTING, LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS IF THEY'RE APPLICABLE OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT AS FAR AS THE FLOW CHART, WHAT DO, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? AND THEN ALSO IF YOU'RE DOING THAT IS AS TO KIND OF PUT SOME
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TIME OR SOME TIME AND MAYBE AN ESTIMATE.BUT IS THIS A, IS THIS A 10 DAY THING OR IS THIS A 10 WEEK THING? UM, AND WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE, WHO HAS THE SHOT CLOCK? YOU KNOW, IS IT ON STAFF? IS IT ON THE DEVELOPER? WE DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO THE MINUTIA OF WHAT DEVELOPER ENGINEERING, WHATEVER.
BUT I LIKE TO SEE THOSE DIFFERENT FLOW CHARTS.
AND I'LL DO A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, DISTILLING INTERNALLY.
SO IT WON'T BE, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED PERMUTATIONS HERE.
YOU COME UP WITH HALF A DOZEN OR SO, EVEN A DOZEN OR SO.
BUT SOMETHING THAT'S MANAGEABLE WE CAN LOOK AT.
I'D LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, AND I, I'M SURE THAT'S ALL WAS PLANNED, BUT I JUST WANTED TO STAY HAVING THE TIME LIMIT.
IS THAT A DOCUMENT THAT EVERYBODY HAS? 'CAUSE THAT DON'T, YOU GOT SET UP, YOU GOT EMAILED OUT TO THE, AND HERE'S SOMETHING THE EDC PEOPLE CAME UP WITH IS WHAT WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS IN THE CITY OF CHARLOTTE, WHY WOULD DRIVING HAS TO BE 25 DEGREES.
OKAY, BUT YOU WANT A 30, YOU SUBMIT 30 THE FIRST TIME YOU'RE LIKE, NO, IT'S 25, NO 30.
AND YOU FINALLY GET THROUGH 25.
IT IT IS WHAT? IT'S THE NEXT TIME YOU SUBMIT 30 STAFF TAKES YOUR MONEY, THEY STAY UP, DENIED, SEND IT BACK.
WE'VE BEEN THROUGH HERE BEFORE.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AT EDC IS SIMPLIFY THINGS TO WHERE THERE'S NOT MONTHS OF WORK.
YOU GUYS GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING, IT'S LIKE, LOOK, THE CODE'S PRETTY SIMPLE.
AND SO THEN WHEN THEY MAKE MISTAKES IT'S LIKE THERE IS NO MORE THIS, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? Q WHAT IS THAT? QC? QUALITY INSURANCE AND QUALITY CONTROL.
IF YOU QUALITY THE FIRST TIME, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ALL THIS.
WELL TO THAT POINT, AND I HAVE DONE THIS IN THE PAST WITH THE SUPPORT OF COUNCILS.
AND THIS IS A POLICY THING AND YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY HATE IT.
ANY REVIEW THAT WE DO FOR ANYTHING, WE FIND FIVE DEFICIENCIES AT THE FIFTH ONE WE STOP, WE PUT A STAMP ON THE PLANS THAT SAYS THIS IS NOT A COMPLETE OR COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW.
WE READ OUR CODE AND BRING IN SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE OPEN BECAUSE HUNDRED PERCENT IN FAVOR WITH ONE CAVEAT.
IF A PERSON EMAILS AND YOU GUYS, THE STAFF SAY YOU CAN GO DO X AND THEN THEY GO DO X AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND THEN IT GETS KICKED OUT 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO X.
STAFF THEN HAS TO COMPENSATE THEM FOR SOMETHING BECAUSE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IS ALWAYS GOING DOWN A PATH AND THEN TOLD THEY GET TO THE END AND THEY GO, OH, I'M SUPPOSED TO GO THIS WAY.
OR THEY WAIT EIGHT DAYS FOR A RESPONSE.
AS LONG AS I AM ALL ABOUT BEING TOUGH ON THE DEVELOPERS.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA FIND, I AM JUST AS TOUGH ON JAMES AGREE OF HOPE.
'CAUSE I THINK THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY IS YOU GUYS DON'T GET ANY SLACK AND THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T GET ANY SLACK EITHER.
AND THEN WE, WE DON'T PLAY REFEREE, WE JUST SAY YOU DIDN'T NEW JOB.
AND SO YOU GOTTA MAKE UP FOR IT.
AND THE DEVELOPER, YOU NEED TO GET A DIFFERENT CONSULTANT.
YOUR GUY IS TERRIBLE AND SHOULDN'T HAVE A LICENSE.
SO MAYBE HE SHOULDN'T BE WORKING IN HUDDLE.
10, 10 DAY OR 15 DAY REVIEWS WOULD BE A LOT EASIER TO HIT.
IF WE JUST GOT TO THE, THE FIFTH DEFICIENCY, BECAUSE WE PROBABLY HIT THE FIFTH DEFICIENCY WITHIN THE FIRST TWO HOURS OF ANYTHING WE LOOK AT.
WE JUST GOTTA, I DON'T THINK STATE LAW ALLOWS YOU TO DO THAT ANYMORE.
'CAUSE REMEMBER THE LEGISL LEGISLATURE, HOWARD, YOU SUBMIT YOUR PLA APPLICATION CITY HAS A CHECKLIST.
YOU HAVE TO TELL 'EM EVERYTHING THAT'S WRONG WITH IT IF YOU'RE GONNA REJECT IT.
WELL THAT SO BRINGS UP GOOD POINT.
SO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DO IN AUSTIN, IT'S LIKE EIGHT SUBMITTALS.
YOU GET A SITE PLAN THROUGH THERE.
SO HERE'S WHAT THEY DO BECAUSE THEY KNOW EVERYTHING.
THERE'S 14 DEPARTMENTS, ONE TO TWO DEPARTMENTS WORK ON IT, FIRST SUBMITTAL AND EVERYBODY ELSE DOESN'T COMMENT ON IT.
AND YOU GET YOUR FIFTH SUBMITTAL.
WELL BY THEN YOU'VE CLEARED THREE DEPARTMENTS AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS GUY OVER HERE HAS GOT COMMENTS.
WELL, HIS COMMENTS DON'T ALIGN WITH THE FIRST TWO PEOPLE'S COMMENTS.
AND SO YOU GO BACK THROUGH AND YOU HAVE TO MARRY 'EM TOGETHER BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S SO USED TO HAVING TERRIBLE PLANS.
BUT THEN ON THE FLIP SIDE, WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS BECAUSE THE MARKET KNOWS THEY'RE NOT GETTING COMMISS ON THE FIFTH, WHAT DO THEY DO? I'M NOT REALLY GONNA DO MY BEST JOB BECAUSE I ALREADY KNOW THEY'RE GONNA COME IN AND CHANGE IT ON THE FOURTH OR FIFTH ROUND.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE BROUGHT UP ONCE ABOUT OUR UDC THING HAVE THING WHERE YOU HAVE LIKE, BASICALLY LIKE, LIKE IN ROUND ROCK YOU GET THREE SUBMITTALS, YOU GET ONE, TWO, YOU GO TO UH, A SAB AND AND THEY LITERALLY SIT DOWN AND THEY'RE MAKING IT WITH THE CRAYONS.
ALL THE CHANGES ON THE PLANS, SIGN 'EM AND THAT'S IT.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE A THIRD SUBMITTAL, BUT NOT ALL.
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE THINGS, BUT I KNOW THAT YOU GOTTA WORK REALLY HARD BECAUSE THEY WON'T LET YOU SUBMIT PLANS.
THEY, THEY, YOU CAN GET CONDITIONAL APPROVALS NOW THROUGH THE PRODUCTS PLANNING PROCESS.
AND, AND THERE'S A TWO PART SYSTEM TOO.
YOU CAN EITHER GO STRAIGHT PLANNING OR YOU CAN GO CONDITIONAL APPROVALS.
BUT I, BUT I THOUGHT THE STATE LAW MADE IT TO WHERE IF WE DON'T CATCH IT ON THE FIRST REVIEW, WE CAN'T BRING IT UP IN A, WE DON'T
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GET MULTIPLE BLANKS.YEAH, WE DON'T GET MULTIPLE BITES ANYMORE.
SO YOU CAN'T DO THE THING YOU JUST SAID, OH WE DO IT HERE, WE DO IT IN
SO, BUT WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO AS A DEVELOPMENT? I, I TELL MY STAFF, NOW YOU GONNA SUE THE CITY BECAUSE THEY TOOK A SECOND BITE ALMOST DOING THAT.
I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD BE DOING IT, BUT WE'VE EATEN MISTAKES SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
HOW ABOUT THIS, YOU, YOU GUYS BRING BACK A PLAN AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP.
UH, 'CAUSE I THINK, I THINK THIS IS FOR, AND THEN I THINK YOU GUYS OUGHT TO TALK AND UNDERSTAND.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT FULLY BECAUSE WE LIKE, WE, WE DON'T DO A MENU CLASS.
EVERYTHING WE DO HAS TO BE A NEW, BUT UH, WE DO NO, I MEAN IN MY EXPERIENCE, BUT I THINK WE ALL, I THINK WE ALL NEED JUST LIKE THE UTC, WE ALL NEED TO KNOW THIS EXTREMELY WELL AT THE BACK OF OUR HAND BECAUSE WE ARE IMPROVING A PROCESS THAT AFFECTS THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
AND IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, YEAH, THEN THAT P AND Z NEEDS TO KNOW EVERY SINGLE THING.
'CAUSE IF THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, THESE GUYS UP THERE COMPLAINING, THEY'RE LIKE, YEAH, THERE'S JUST BELLYACHE.
IN REALITY THERE MAY ACTUALLY BE AN ISSUE BUT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
SO I THINK MAYBE LIKE IN A MONTH OR TWO WE COME BACK ABOUT, WE'VE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO SIT OUT WITH YOU GUYS AND SORRY CHARLIE
SO THAT WE'RE SO DO YOU WANT THE CONVEYANCE PLAT AND DO YOU WANT THE AMENDED PLAT UM, MINOR PLAT ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL PROCESS? 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE THAT IN THE CURRENT PDC BUT WE DID IN THE UM, AMENDMENTS.
ANYBODY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT? NO, I LIKE IT.
IT'S, IT'S USUALLY FOR UH, FOUR LOTS OR FEWER.
FIVE KEEPS YOU UP TO BE IN A MAJOR SUBDIVISION THAT HAS TO SIX.
IF YOU DO IT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, I WOULD EXPECT ONE.
TO ME THAT'S A WHOLE A DIFFERENT, THE MINOR.
DOES IT LIVE WITH LOT SIZE? WHEN YOU SAY SIX SLOTS ARE FEWER? YEAH, I THINK IT'S SIX.
IN THE STATUTE IT'S AMENDING PLA IT DOESN'T OR MINOR OR MINOR OR MINOR PLATS NUMBER, JUST THE NUMBER OF PLATS.
AND THEN IF IT PICKS OVER THE MINOR PLAT, THEN YOU HAVE TO GO TO PNZ WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING THERE IS A NEXUS.
THE THING IS BE DO PLA YOU CAN'T KEEP COMING BACK FOUR.
RIGHT? THEN YOU GOTTA SPLIT THE PLATS LATER.
THERE'S A TIME BETWEEN THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO FILE ADMINISTRATIVE PLATS ONCE YOU DO THE NEXT ONE, MAKE YOU WHOLE THING.
SO THAT WAY YOU GUYS OKAY ME ADJOURN? YES SIR.