[ 1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER] [00:00:08] >> 7:01. CALLED THE COUNCIL MEETING FOR THURSDAY JUNE 16TH TO ORDER. START WITH ROLL CALL. VOCATION. ALMIGHTY GOD, MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, WE HUMBLE OURSELVES BEFORE YOU TONIGHT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT EVERY BLESSING THAT WE ENJOY BOTH INDIVIDUALLY, AS A CITY, AS A NATION, HAVE COME FROM YOUR GENEROUS HAND. WE PRAY YOUR MERCY WOULD CONTINUE TO OVERFLOW TO US. LORD, WE ASK FOR THIS COUNCIL, EVERY DISCUSSION, LORD, THAT YOU GIVE THEM ABUNDANT WHIZ COME AND STARTS FULL OF COMPASSION FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY. WHILE WE PRAY FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, FOR OUR FIRE MEN AND WOMEN, FOR OUR EMT, PARAMEDICS, LORD, FOR ALL WHO GO INTO HARMS WAY, THAT YOU GIVE THEM PROTECTION, COURAGE, WHIZ COME AND STRENGTH. WE PRAY THAT YOU CONTINUE TO BLESS THESE LEADERS, LORD. GIVE THEM GREAT WHIZ COME, GIVE THEM GREAT LOVE, BOTH FOR EACH OTHER AND FOR THOSE THAT THEY LEAD. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR KINDNESS, MERCY AND GRACE. WE ASK IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. >> AMEN. >> JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE. [5.PUBLIC COMMENT] >> NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. WE'LL HAVE A CHART UP HERE AND WHEN YOUR TIME'S UP, IT WILL GO RED AND WE WILL CUT YOU OFF. BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT, I DIDN'T READ THE NOTES. >> WE CAN DO IT AFTER. >> I WAS GIVEN A NOTE. I SCREWED IT UP TWO MINUTES INTO THE MEETING. FIRST UP WE HAVE RUDY PEREZ. >> FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO SAY CITY MANAGER JAMES EARP, YOU ARE DOING A FINE JOB IN HUTTO. MAYOR, YOU AS WELL. AND ALSO MY BROTHER, CHIEF YARBOROUGH. KEEP UP TESTIFY GOOD WORK IN HUTTO. HUTTO CITY COUNCIL, DO WHAT'S RIGHT. THE ESB HAS BEEN RIPPING THE CITY OF HUTTO FOR MANY YEARS. WHY DID Y'ALL NOT MAKE THE CHIEF PAY $1.4 MILLION THAT THEY OWED US? THAT'S TAXPAYERS DOLLAR. HENRY GIDDEN AND TODD ROBINSON GOT YOU OFF. MAYOR, ESPECIALLY YOU, I EXPECT A LOT OF YOU. DO WHAT'S RIGHT. YOU'RE THE MAYOR. JAMES, YOU ARE THE CITY MANAGER. START MANAGING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. CITY COUNCIL, YOU DON'T HAVE PETER HERE NO MORE SCREWING STUFF UP. NO EXCUSE. ALSO, LET'S MAKE SURE HUTTO PD IS TAKEN CARE OF ALWAYS. BUILD THE FIRE STATION HERE. CORINA, WELCOME. WE ARE PROUD HISPANICS. NO MORE RACE CARD LIKE SOME PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE WHICH SAT ON THE SEAT WHICH IS OUR SEAT, THE TAXPAYER. DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR HUTTO. LIKE I TOLD YOU WHEN I MET YOU AT THE CHURCH WHEN YOU WERE RUNNING, DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR HUTTO. I HOPE YOU KEEP YOUR PROMISE. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> THANK YOU. OUR NEXT, IF NO OBJECTIONS, ITEM 12.1, GENERAL COMMENTS FROM CITY [12.CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS (Part 1 of 2)] COUNCIL UP. HEARING NONE, WE HAVE ITEM 12.1. GENERAL COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL. COUNCIL JOIN ME UP FRONT FOR A PROCLAMATION. AND MEMBERS OF OUR FIRST RESPONDER COMMUNITY FOR THE CHRIS KELLY 5K. [00:05:12] >> BRAD, THE CHRIS KELLY 5K RACE HONORS THE MEMORY OF CHRIS KELLY, A BELOVED MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY. THE CHRIS KELLY 5K RACE WILL BE HELD ON SATURDAY, JUNE 27TH, 2006. WHEREAS THIS ANNUAL EVENT BRINGS TOGETHER INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES TO CELEBRATE CHRIS' LIFE AND LEGACY, PROMOTING HEALTH, WELLNESS AND COMMUNITY. THE CHRIS KELLY 5K RACE SUPPORTS FIRST RESPONDERS, MILITARY AND THEIR FAMILIES IN TIMES OF NEED. NOW, THEREFORE, WE THE CITY COUNCIL, CITY OF HUTTO, DO HEREBY WHO CLAIM JUNE 18, 2026 AS THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE CHRIS KELLY 5K RACE IN THE TOWN OF HUTTO. WE WANT YOU TO JOIN YOUR NEIGHBORS IN CHRIS KELLY'S HONOR. >> YEAH, WE JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR YOUR SUPPORT THUS FAR. THIS IS THE 11TH ANNIVERSARY OF CHRIS' END OF LIFE. WE ALWAYS HONOR HIM BY A HUGE OUTPOURING. WE'RE STILL TAKING REGISTRATIONS, SO COME OUT AND JOIN US WITH THE FAMILY ON SATURDAY. >> I WOULD ADD LAST YEAR -- I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OUT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE THE FIREFIGHTERS WERE IN FULL GEAR AND THEY RAN THE WHOLE THING. >> STILL CAME IN SECOND. >> IT WAS 100 DEGREES AND THEY WERE BUSTING IT. >> I WAS IMPRESSED. I HEARD YOU GUYS WEAR THE VEST, AND THE FIREFIGHTERS. WE LIKE TO KEEP IT LIKE THAT, LITTLE COMPETITION. ALL RIGHT. REPORT BACK. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL. [6.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/orremovals toCityBoards,Commissions,TaskForces,Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, and Area Government appointments.] >> OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 6.1, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS, REAPPOINTMENTS AND/OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONING BOARDS AND AREA GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. WE ARE FOCUSING ON THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION. WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES AND WE HAVE THREE APPLICANTS. POSTED ON THE MESSAGE BOARD, GOT SOME GOOD INPUTS AND SOME E-MAILS ON THAT. NOMINATING COMMITTEE HAS SELECTED MELLY SALINAS AND LARRY DOUGLAS FOR NOMINATION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND APPOINT MELLY SALINAS AND LARRY DOUGLAS FOR ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION. >> FOR ETHICS REVIEW? >> YES, SIR. >> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? >> I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE, THERE WAS AN E-MAIL SENT OUT WITH ALL THREE OF THEIR APPLICATIONS. SO HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL WAS ABLE TO REVIEW THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KING. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA. >> YES. >> COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. >> AYE. >> IT PASSES 6-0. >> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT 150TH BUT IT MAY BE ON 6.2. THAT'S JUST CITY COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE. WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR 150? >> FOR 150TH, WE'VE -- SPEAKING WITH AMBER LEE, THE CHAIR THERE OF THAT COMMITTEE. [00:10:05] THERE HAS BEEN SOME REMOVALS THAT ARE SUGGESTED AND THEN ALSO SOME ADDITIONS THAT ARE SUGGESTED. SORRY. WHERE'S MY LIST? SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE TWO MOTIONS. ONE OF THEM JUST SO THEY'RE NOT TOO LENGTHY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE SIX OF THE CURRENT APPOINTEES AND CITY SECRETARY, THERE'S AN E-MAIL WITH THAT LIST ON THERE. IT'S ARMAN GONZALEZ, TONYA WARD, CAITLIN MORALES, ERIC BELL, SAMANTHA COLBERSON AND NATALIE WALTERS. I MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE THOSE SIX. >> ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECONDS. >> SECOND BY PORTERFIELD. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I JUST WANTED TO THANK ALL SIX OF THESE MEMBERS FOR STANDING UP AND PUTTING IN THEIR VOLUNTEER EFFORT FOR THAT. THIS IS A GOOD GROUP OF PEOPLE. THINGS COME UP IN PEOPLE'S LIVES, SO THERE'S NO SHAME IN ANY OF THIS. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THEM AND THEY ARE ALL GREAT CONTRIBUTORS IN THE CITY OUTSIDE OF THE 150TH COMMITTEE. JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THEM AS THEY'RE STEPPING DOWN. >> ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> MAYOR SNYDER. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL REMEMBER ZEPEDA. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KING. >> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES 6-0. THROUGH THE CHAIR, SHE HAS SOLICITED A REQUEST FOR PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER FOR THIS. ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SIX VACANCIES, THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE'S NAMES THAT WERE PUT FORWARD TO THE CITY SECRETARY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO TAKE THESE INDEPENDENTLY OR ALL THREE AT A TIME. BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION, THE THREE INDIVIDUALS WERE PETER GORDON, ROBIN SUTTON, AND BRANDY MCCOOL. >> IS THAT THE MOTION? >> NO. I'M NOT MAKING A MOTION. >> I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO ADD THEM ALL. >> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KING. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. >> NAY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA. >> AYE. >> MAYOR SNYDER. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. >> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES 5-1. >> FINAL REQUEST FROM THE CHAIR OF THE 150TH COMMITTEE IS PETER GORDON WAS THE COUNCIL LIAISON. HE PERFORMED ADMIRALLY AND WAS VERY MUCH A CONTRIBUTOR IN THAT, BUT HE HAS NOW STEPPED DOWN FROM CITY COUNCIL, SO I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE MYSELF. I'VE BEEN GOING FOR CITY COUNCIL LIA LIAISON, I HAVE BEEN GOING TO THE MEETINGS FOR MANY MONTHS NOW AND WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE DOING THAT WORK. >> THAT'S A MOTION? >> YES. >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? HEARING NONE PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. >> AYE. >> MAYOR >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KING. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. >> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES 6-0. THAT'S ALL I GOT. >> YOU SURE? >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A -- NEVER MIND. >> CITY ATTORNEY OF THE RIVER CREEK BOARD. >> RIVER CREEK LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATION, FORMER COUNSEL MEMBER PETER GORDON RESIGNED AND THEY NEED TO REPLACE MR. GORDON. THEY NEED TO HAVE A MEETING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. >> ALL RIGHT. WHO'S ON THERE NOW? >> WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS, I KNOW YOU'RE COMING OFF, BUT WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO CONTINUED IN THAT ROLE. >> WHAT IS IT? >> OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATION. LIKE THE EDC BUT A WHOLE DIFFERENT TAX CODE, OR GOVERNMENT CODE. >> IF YOU NEED SOMEONE, SURE. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPOINT CHARLES WARNER. >> SECOND. >> TO THE RIVER CREEK BOARD. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEAR NONE PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KING. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS. >> AYE. >> MAYOR SNYDER. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. [00:15:01] >> AYE. >> I HOPE YOU VOTE FOR YOURSELF. YOU'RE ALLOWED TO VOTE FOR YOURSELF. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER -- ANY OTHER MOTIONS [6.2. ConsiderationandpossibleactionregardingrecommendationsorupdatesfromCity Council sub-committees (i.e. HISD, CIP, FireSafety).] THERE? ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 6.2 CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RECOMMENDATIONS OR UPDATES FROM CITY COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEES. >> MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD TO THE JUSTICE CENTER, SINCE WE HAVE LOST FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER PETER GORDON. >> I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION. SINCE IT'S COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE, I JUST HAVE TO APPOINT, RIGHT? >> CORRECT. >> YOU WANT WHO? PORTERFIELD? >> COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD, PLEASE. >> OKAY. >> HAPPY TO SERVE. >> PORTERFIELD TO PUBLIC SAFETY SUBCOMMITTEE. I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE MEETING NEXT BUT -- ALL RIGHT. WE DID NOT HAVE AN HISD MEETING. WE HAVE NOT HAD -- HAVE YOU HAD A CIP MEETING? >> NO. >> OKAY. >> WE'VE GOT ONE COMING WITH PNZ NEXT WEEK. >> FIRE SAFETY, I THINK THE LAST MEETING WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT HOW WE MET WITH SAMSUNG, I BELIEVE. SINCE THEN WE WERE TRYING TO REACH OUT TO ESD3. I'LL READ MY MESSAGE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T GO OVER REAL WELL, APPARENTLY. IT WAS NOT THE INTENT. BUT HERE'S OUR COMMUNICATION TO DATE WITH ESD3. THE IDEA WAS TO MEET WITH THEM TO DISCUSS, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, NOT TRYING TO DO, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. I JUST SAID, TODD, THIS IS MIKE SNYDER. I'D LIKE TO SEE IF YOU, HENRY AND KIRWOOD WOULD SIT DOWN WITH COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE, MYSELF, PORTERFIELD, MORRIS. THE RESPONSE WAS, HELLO, MIKE. HENRY IS OUT THIS WEEK. I WILL BE OFF THE FOLLOWING TWO WEEKS. NOT SURE ABOUT THE CHIEF'S SCHEDULE. EARLIEST WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET WOULD BE JUNE 29TH GIVEN THE CURRENT SITUATION, I THINK IT'S BEST THAT THE REQUEST SHOULD BE ON OFFICIAL CITY LETTER HEAD AND OUTLINES WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS. THEN THEY GAVE ME THEIR ESD E-MAIL. I SAID WE DON'T DO THINGS ON OFFICIAL CITY LETTER HEAD. WE MIGHT NOT QUITE BE THERE IN TERMS OF PROFESSIONALISM. WE LIKE TO SIT DOWN, DISCUSS THINGS, AS WE WILL BE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT STATION NUMBER 2 AND TALKS WITH JUDGE SNELL, WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND ARE WANTING TO WORK TOGETHER FOR THE LONG TERM VIABILITY OF THE CITIZENS AND TAXPAYERS. STATION 1'S LOOK GOOD. STATION 2 WILL BE IN A GREAT PLACE, BUT BUILDING THAT IN THE CENTER OF TOWN DOESN'T HELP EITHER ORGANIZATION AS MUCH AS IT SHOULD. WORKING TOGETHER TO SEVERAL OF US IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF TAXPAYERS. IF WE CAN MEET THE WEEK OF JUNE 29TH, THAT WILL BE GREAT. BY THEN WE WILL HAVE MET WITH EVERY ELECTED COMMISSIONER, MINUS BOWLES. HE'S STILL NOT WANTING TO MEET WITH US. ON COUNTY. WE DON'T WANT ANYONE BLIND SIDED. PUBLIC SAFETY WILL ALWAYS BE NUMBER ONE AND THE CITY OF HUTTO WILL CONTINUE TO GROW FAST. THEN THEY SAID INTERESTING, I'LL TRY TO TOUCH BASE ON THE 29TH AND LET YOU KNOW WHEN WE ARE COLLECTIVELY AVAILABLE. I SAID OKAY, WE CAN MEET EARLIER WITH OTHER BOARD MEMBERS. WE JUST ASSUME YOU AND HENRY ARE THE RIGHT PEOPLE, WHICH IS THE PRESIDENT AND I THINK THE VICE PRESIDENT, I THINK ASSISTANT TREASURER. WE ARE JUST ASSUMING YOU AND HENRY ARE THE RIGHT PEOPLE. HE SAID, YES, WE ARE. I SAID MAYBE WE MEET WITH YOU FIRST. HE SAID OUT UNTIL THE 29TH. I SAID TIMING IS IMPORTANT. THE IDEA IS NOT TO CAUSE ISSUES WHEN THE WOMEN AND MEN SERVING ALL OF US. THE ANSWER WAS, YOU NEED TO CHECK WITH THEM. MY GUESS IS THEY WOULD WANT TO WAIT UNTIL WE CAN ALL MEET BUT I CERTAINLY CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM. I SAID, DO YOU MIND SHARING THEIR NUMBERS WITH ME. THEY DID. REACHED OUT TO KERWOOD HAVE NOT HEARD BACK. HENRY SUGGESTED, NO OFFENSE, JAMES, HE SUGGESTED YOU COME. I SAID, YOU'RE MORE OF LIKE, ONCE WE TELL YOU WHAT WE WANT DONE, THEN YOU DO IT. AND SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO JUST TALK THROUGH WHAT IT IS SOME OF US HAVE IDEAS ON, WHAT OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN TO TRY TO CLEAR UP SOME CONFUSION. AND SO I SAID YOU WEREN'T NEEDED. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ALL AT ON THE FIRE SUBCOMMITTEE SAFETY. SO HOPEFULLY, BY JULY 2ND WE'RE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WE SAT DOWN, HAD A MEETING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY BRING UP IS THINGS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA BROUGHT UP IN TERMS OF CONCERNS, I BELIEVE ONE OF THEM WAS TAKING THE WHOLE THING OVER, NOT DOING IT, WHAT DOES IT ALL LOOK LIKE? I THINK WHEN I TALKED TO JIM AND EVELYN TO SIT DOWN AND TALK THROUGH THINGS. [00:20:03] THERE'S SO MANY MISINFORMATIONS GOING ON OUT THERE THAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CATCH UP WITH OUR CONVERSATIONS. THAT'S WHERE, HOPEFULLY I HAVE SOMETHING MORE CONCRETE TO GIVE EVERYBODY IN JULY, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT SO FAR WITH THAT. >> MAY I CLARIFY? WHAT MY COMMENTS HAVE BEEN AROUND FIRE STATION 1, MY QUESTION IS STILL, HOW MUCH IS IT GONNA COST? WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM? HAVE WE LOOKED AT A STUDY OF THE LONG TERM COST ON THE TAXPAYERS? WILL THEY HAVE ANY SAY IN WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD OR NOT? AND NOW THIS SUBCOMMITTEE IS WANTING TO MEET WITH ESD TO TALK ABOUT STATION 2, BUT WE DON'T YET HAVE RECEIVED PUBLIC INFORMATION ABOUT THE COST, VIABILITY, LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY, OPERATIONS OF STATION 1. THAT JUST RAISES MORE QUESTIONS, OR IS THAT INFORMATION GOING TO BE AVAILABLE? WHAT I WOULD IDEALLY LIKE TO SEE IS THAT WE PAUSE CONVERSATIONS AROUND STATION 2, OR ANYTHING ELSE, UNTIL WE SEE THE COST AND HOW IT'S GOING TO BE PAID FOR FOR STATION 1. I THINK THAT'S WHAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY AND THE TAXPAYERS WANT TO KNOW, HOW IS THIS GOING TO BE FUNDED? WHAT'S THE LONG TERM OF IT? AND THE ABSENCE OF THAT INFORMATION, HOW ARE WE MOVING TOWARDS HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT STATION 2 IF WE DON'T YET KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY OR FUND STATION 1? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, AND I THINK SO WOULD THE PUBLIC LIKE TO KNOW THAT INFORMATION. GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO WORK WITH SO THEY HAVE A SAY IN HOW THEIR TAX DOLLARS ARE SPENT. THAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. >> THANK YOU. >> I JUST MIGHT ADD, THE ESD NUMBER 3 DID MEET TODAY AT NOON, SO I DIDN'T GET TO WATCH THE LIVE FEED, BUT I WILL BE VIEWING THAT. I'LL PUT ON THE MESSAGE BOARD IF THERE'S ANYTHING CONCRETE. >> OKAY, THAT'D BE GREAT. NEXT WE HAVE WHAT WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR PRESENTEDATION OF THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET. IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, NOT THAT I'M TRYING TO -- I KNOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT THE PUBLIC. I CAN MOVE THAT TO THE END RIGHT BEFORE THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, JUST SO WE CAN GET THROUGH ANYBODY WHO'S WAITING HERE FOR THE OTHER ITEMS. >> JAMES ONLY HAS 15 MINUTES, RIGHT? I'M KIDDING, JAMES. >> I HAVE EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE. >> ONE MINUTE FOR EVERY MILLION HE'S GONNA SPEND. ALL RIGHT. [8.CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS] SO I HEAR NO OBJECTIONS. WE'LL GO DOWN TO CONSENT. WE HAVE ITEMS 8.1, 8.2, 8.3, 8.4, 8.5, 8.6, 8.7, 8.8, 8.12 AND 8.13. ARE THERE ANY THAT WE HAVE WISH TO HAVE PULLED? >> I'D LIKE TO PULL 8.1, 8.2, 8.3 AND 8.5. >> 8.5. ALL RIGHT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO PULL 8.11. >> 8.11. >> ANY OTHERS? HEARING NONE, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE 8.4, 8.6, 8.10, 8.12 AND 13 AS PRESENTED. >> SO MOVED. >> CAN I HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? >> YES. ON 8.12, WHICH IS KIND OF A COMBO WITH 8.11 ON PAGE 645 THERE'S A GRAPH. I GUESS THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO WHAT WAS SAID IN 8.11 THAT THE REVENUES WERE BEHIND WHAT WE THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE. THIS IS TRACKING SLOWER THAN MAY 2025, THERE'S A 75% AND 80%. BUT THERE IS A CHART IN 8.12 THAT'S ON PAGE 645 THAT'S TALKING ABOUT THESE -- YOU SEE THESE TWO PEAKS. AND THEY ARE IN RESPONSE TO -- HERE IT IS. COLOR HERE'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT, BUT THE GREEN ONE PEAK AT MONTHS FOR -- MONTH OF JUNE/JULY, IS PROPOSED FISCAL 2026. AND THEN THE ACTUAL IS THE RED. SO THERE'S A BIG CHANGE IN THAT. I DID TALK ONE ON ONE WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND HE HAD SOME EXPLANATIONS FOR THAT. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU MIGHT COULD SHARE SOME OF THAT SUMMARY, BRIEFLY, TWO MINUTES OR LESS, JUST TO SHARE WITH [00:25:03] COUNCIL. >> JIM TOOK FOUR AND YOU GET TWO TO RESPOND. >> YOU CAN TAKE FOUR. >> MAYOR, COUNCIL, JAMES EARP, CITY MANAGER. WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER IS REFERRING TO IS LAST YEAR IN OUR ACTUAL -- SALES TAX RECEIPTS, THERE WERE TWO PEAKS OR TWO SPIKES COULDN'T TELL IF THEY LINED UP WITH OTHER MONTHS PREVIOUS YEARS THAT HAD -- THESE WERE REALLY SIGNIFICANT. AFTER WE HAD FINISHED BUDGET, WE FOUND OUT THEY WERE ONE TIME PURCHASES FROM A LOCAL BUSINESS. THAT'S WHY IT SPIKED UP, BUT THEN OUR ACTUAL WAS SO MUCH LOWER. IT WAS SALES TAX. SO REC CALCULATIONS HAVE TAKEN PLACE. WE'RE STILL OKAY NOT OVERSPENDING, NOT HAVING TO HOLD EXPENSES OR ANY OF THAT. BUT PROJECTIONS HAVE CERTAINLY CHANGED AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THAT. >> I JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT IT WAS A ONE OFF THING. COUNTY AND CITY MANAGER AND STAFF FOUND THE ISSUE. THEY'VE MADE AMENDS TO DOING THIS IN THE FUTURE. YEAH. NOTHING WRONG WITH THE BUDGET. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THE PUBLIC SEES THESE ANOMALIES, IT'S UNUSUAL AND HAVE BEEN TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT FOR FUTURE BUDGETS. >> I WAS GONNA BRING THIS UP IN A ONE ON ONE BUT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT. IF WE CAN PUT SOME KIND OF ASTERISK TO THE SIDE AND PUT WHAT OUR SALES TAX SPLIT WITH ESD IS THAT COULD BE AT RISK SHOULD THEY EVER CANCEL THE AGREEMENT AGAIN. >> SURE. >> THAT WAY WE KNOW FROM A STANDPOINT OF WHEN WE SEE BUDGET 12 MILLION OR 20 OR WHATEVER IT IS IN THE FUTURE, WHAT NUMBER OF THAT IS MONEY AT RISK AND WHAT NUMBER OF THAT IS CITY LIMITS? I GUESS CITY LIMITS HAS 2016. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON MOTION TO APPROVE THE CON SENTED AGENDA ITEMS? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. >> AYE. >> MORRIS. >> AYE. >> SNYDER. >> AYE. >> ZEPEDA. >> AYE. >> PORTERFIELD. >> AYE. [8.1. Consideration andpossibleactiononResolutionNo.R-2026-133 authorizing theCity Manager toexecute ageneral services agreement with Holbrook Asphalt, LLC inthe not-to-exceed amountof$2,000,000 forthepurchase andinstallation ofhigh-density mineral bond seal("HA5") treatment for asphalt pavement through theuse of a City of Hurst Interlocal Agreement. (Rick Coronado)] >> COUNCIL MEMBER KING. >> AYE. >> BRINGS US TO ITEM 8.1. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION R-2026-133 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A GENERAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH HOLBROOK ASPHALT LLC IN THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $2 MILLION FOR PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF HIGH DENSITY MINERAL BOND SEAL HA5 TREATMENT FOR ASPHALT PAVEMENT THROUGH THE USE OF A CITY OF HURST INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. >> SO THE REASON I'M BRINGING THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION IS THIS IS NOT TO EXCEED $2 MILLION AUTHORIZATION FOR THE HA5 PROGRAM. AND THE ACTUAL WORK WOULD COME BACK IN SMALLER TASK ORDERS AS SPECIFIC STREETS ARE IDENTIFIED AND APPROVED, NOT A $2 MILLION -- NOT JUST $2 MILLION BEING SET ASIDE AND SPENT ALL AT ONCE OUT OF THE STREET MAINTENANCE FUND, BUT MORE OF A SPENDING CAP THAT STAFF CAN WORK WITH THEM OVERTIME, IS THAT CORRECT? AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT RIGHT? >> COUNCIL MEMBER -- GO AHEAD. >> SURE. >> GOOD EVENING. RICK CORONADO. YOU ARE CORRECT. THIS IS THE AUTHORIZATION TO HAVE A MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH HOLBROOK AS A $2 MILLION AUTHORIZATION. WE LAST HAD ONE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO WITH HOLBROOK OF $2 MILLION. THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD IN APRIL 16TH WE AUTHORIZED THE LAST AMOUNT OF THAT FUNDING, AND SO THIS IS KIND OF RESETTING THAT AUTHORIZATION AND SIMILARLY, ANYTHING THAT'S OVER $50,000 WOULD COME TO COUNCIL, WHICH WE DO HAVE ANOTHER ITEM ON HERE AS TASK NUMBER ONE TO PULL DOWN FROM THE AUTHORIZATION OF $2 MILLION. SO YOU'VE DESCRIBED IT CORRECTLY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE GOT FOR 8.1. [8.2. Consideration andpossibleactiononResolutionNo.R-2026-134awardingfull-depth repair projects, identified in thepavement condition study treatment plan, located in HuttoOldTowndistrict, including LiveOakStreet, HuttoStreet,West MetcalfeStreet, Liberty Street, and Church Street inthe amount of $986,268.50 funded by the street maintenance and repair fund, to Bennett Paving, Inc. (Rick Coronado)] >> DO YOU WANT US TO MOVE OR TAKE ACTION ON IT? >> CAN I MOVE ON TO 8.2? >> YEAH. >> OKAY. >> SINCE THESE ARE ALL RELATED, YEAH. THEY'RE ALL RELATED. >> IF I UNDERSTAND RIGHT, IF YOU DON'T AUTHORIZE THE $2 MILLION, THEN WE CAN AUTHORIZE 8.3, BUT IT WILL STOP EXECUTIVE. [00:30:05] IT WON'T GO ABOVE THAT. >> YOU HAVE TO AUTHORIZE 8.1 FIRST BEFORE YOU CAN GET TO 8.3 TO PULL FROM THAT $2 MILLION AUTHORIZATION. BUT YOU'RE ONLY GIVING ME AUTHORIZATION TO DO THE TASK ORDER. OF 239. YEAH. >> THAT'S BECAUSE 8.1 IS THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT. AND THEN 8.3 IS THE TASK ORDER. >> JUST ADJUST 8.1. SOMEONE DIDN'T WANT TO DO 2 MILLION THEY COULD ADJUST 8.1 TO MAKE IT BE THE SAME NUMBER AS TASK ORDER 1. IT MAY NOT BE THE MOST EFFICIENT, BUT WE COULD STILL DO IT. >> THE MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT JUST SETS UP THE GENERAL AGREEMENT TERMS. AND THEN ANY TIME YOU WANT SOMETHING DONE IT HAS TO BE A SEPARATE TASK ORDER. >> I WAS GONNA ASK, HOW DID WE GET TO THE $2 MILLION CAP? >> WE HAD KIND OF AN ESTIMATE ON HOW MUCH WE WOULD USE OVER TIME, AND SO ON AVERAGE WE'VE USED THIS CONTRACT FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. IT'S ROUGHLY AROUND 500,000 THAT WE'VE KINDS OF BUDGETED IN. AS THE PROGRAM HAS INCREASED WE'VE KIND OF SETTLED ABOUT $500,000 WORTH OF WORK IN PRESERVING THE GOOD STREETS. AND IT GETS ADJUSTED AS BUDGET GETS ADJUSTED, BUT THAT'S THE ESTIMATE THAT WE HAVE IN THOSE LAST COUPLE YEARS. THAT'S WHY AUTHORIZATION KIND OF IS EXHAUSTED. >> THE $2 MILLION IS OVER MULTIPLE YEARS. IT'S NOT JUST FOR A ONE YEAR CONTRACT. >> OKAY. >> THIS IS A MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT, RIGHT? >> EFFECTIVELY. >> SO IT'S IN THE ROTATION? >> NO. IT IS NOT IN THE ROTATION. WE'RE PROCURING THIS THROUGH PIGGY BACKING. >> THAT'S RIGHT. THIS IS HURST. NEVER MIND. NEVER MIND. >> WE'RE HOPING THEY DID THAT WORK. >> RIGHT. THAT WAY WE CAN PIGGY BACK ON THEM. >> AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THE MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THE PRICING HAS CHANGED FROM $4.10 TO $4.29. SO THAT'S LESS THAN 2.5% A YEAR INCREASE, WHICH IS IN LINE -- ACTUALLY, IT'S PROBABLY LOWER THAN WHAT COSTS HAVE ACTUALLY INCREASED. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT AGENDA ITEM 8.1 AS PRESENTED. >> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KING, SECOND BY MORRIS. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. >> AYE. >> MAYOR SNYDER. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KING. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. >> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES 6-0. BRINGS USZ TO ITEM 8.2, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION R-2026-134, AWARDING FULL DEPTH REPAIR PRO-SKWREBGTDS IDENTIFIED IN THE PAVEMENT CONDITION STUDY TREATMENT PLANT LOCATED IN HUTTO OLD COUNTY DISTRICT, LIVE OAK STREET, HUTTO STREET, WEST METCALF STREET AND CHURCH STREET IN THE AMOUNT OF 98,62$98,626,8. >> IT WOULD PUT A POTENTIAL START DATE OF AROUND JULY 2ND. IT ALSO REFERENCES A 90 DAY CONSTRUCTION DURATION AND I'M READING THAT AS 90 BUSINESS DAYS, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, NOT NECESSARILY 90 CALENDAR DAYS. IF THAT'S RIGHT, THAT PUTS THE COMPLETION SOMEWHERE AROUND EARLY NOVEMBER. >> IT'S CALENDAR DAYS. >> IT IS CALENDAR DAYS? OKAY. AFTER NOTICE TO PROCEED IS ISSUED, I LIKED TO SEE A STREET BY STREET CONSTRUCTION SEQUENCE PLAN FOR THAT 90 DAY CALENDAR DAY SCHEDULE. SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET FAIRLY QUICKLY, IF POSSIBLE, AFTER THE NOTICE TO PROCEED SO WE UNDERSTAND HOW THE CONTRACTOR IS PLANNING TO MOVE FORWARD THROUGH OLD TOWN, AND IF STAFF CAN E-MAIL THAT TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN IT BECOMES AVAILABLE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. AND THEN THE LAST THING REGARDING THAT IS BEFORE JULY 2ND, I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT [00:35:01] COUNCIL RECEIVES START TIMING IN A CLEAR COUNT KAEUGS PLAN FOR THE AFFECTED RESIDENTS. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE RELYING SOLELY ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR E-MAIL. WE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE DIRECT, LIKE MAYBE SAY DOOR HANGERS OR MAILED NOTICES OR FLYERS, WHERE APPROPRIATE. AND HERE'S WHY I SAY THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE USING EVERY REASONABLE WAY TO GET THE WORD OUT. AND THE GOAL IS PRETTY SIMPLE. NOBODY IN THOSE AREAS SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY THAT THEY NEVER HAD A FAIR CHANCE TO KNOW THAT THIS WAS COMING. >> YES. >> RICK CORONADO. I'LL ALSO TURN IT OVER TO DAVID AMSTER. WE KIND OF LAID OUT SOME OF THE COMMUNICATION PLANS. >> WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO PIGGY BACK ON IS, I WOULD LIKE TO START SEEING THESE SCHEDULES, NOT AFTER WE APPROVE THE ITEM, BUT BEFORE. 'CAUSE THIS GUY SAYS HE'S GONNA DO ALL THIS WORK IN 90 DAYS? I MEAN, THAT'S OCTOBER 2ND, OLD TOWN IS REBUILT, RIGHT? >> CORRECT. WE'VE WORKED WITH BENNETT BEFORE. THEY DID THIS WORK LAST YEAR, SIMILARLY. THEY WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH SIMILAR LENGTH AND FOOTAGE, INCLUDING STREET AND WEST WITH 132. THAT IS THE FIRST THING THAT WE'LL SEND AFTER THIS COUNCIL MEETING IS THE REQUEST FOR THE TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN. THAT DICTATES THE SCHEDULE. THAT HELPS IDENTIFY WHAT THEIR SCHEDULE IS, AS WELL AS THE TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN THAT WE'LL COMMUNICATE TO THE CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS WHAT TO EXPECT. >> SO WHAT I'M WANTING IS FOR ME PERSONALLY IS TO SEE THAT WHEN WE APPROVE THE ITEM BECAUSE I THINK THEY ALREADY HAVE IT. 'CAUSE SURELY THEY DIDN'T JUST PULL 90 DAYS OUT OF THE AIR, RIGHT? THEY CAME UP WITH THE NUMBER FOR SOME WAY. NOW WE'RE APPROVING IT. THERE'S GONNA BE SOME PEOPLE IN OLD TOWN PROBABLY TOMORROW, THANK GOD, WHEN YOU GONNA DO IT? DON'T KNOW YET. WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR STAFF TO THEN TELL US WHEN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. HOW'S IT GOING TO BE COMMUNICATED? DAVE IS READY TO TELL US. SO YOU JUST APPROVED A PLAN AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO START JULY 2ND. BUT WHEN'S MY STREET GONNA GET DONE? I DON'T KNOW YET. WE'RE WAITING FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO GET WITH STAFF AND STAFF TO GET WITH US. SEE HOW CONFUSING THAT IS? WHEN IT'S, GUYS, WE WANT $986,000. THAT'S NOT SMALL CHANGE. HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, WHEN WE'RE GONNA DO IT. WE HAVE 90 DAYS TO COMPLETE THE WHOLE THING. THEN IF A GROUP LIKE BENNETT PAVING CONSISTENTLY PERFORMS, THEN I SEE THEM GETTING MORE WORK, HOPEFULLY. BUT THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO PIGGYBACK. YOU MIGHT NOT AGREE WITH WHAT I'M SAYING BUT I THINK THE COMMUNICATION, THE LEVEL THE PUBLIC IS WANTING AND I THINK SOME OF US ON COUNCIL, WE'RE GETTING THERE, BUT -- 'CAUSE YOU GUYS COULD WAIT TWO WEEKS. IT COULD BE JULY 4TH WHEN WE GET THE INFORMATION. REALLY WE NEED IT LIKE TOMORROW. BUT ANYWAY, ALREADY, DAVID. >> FROM A COMMUNICATIONS P PERSPECTIVE FOR THE RECORD, TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT'S BEING SAID. I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED TO FIND OUT, HEY, WE APPROVED THIS AMOUNT OF WORK AND THEN WE KIND OF GET INTO IT. BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE AND BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, THAT IS POTENTIALLY A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT WOFRBG FOR THEM THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO DO UNTIL WE START PAYING THEM. I'LL LOOK TOWARDS CITY MANAGER AND PUBLIC WORKS AFTER THIS MEETING TO SEE IF THERE'S WAY TO FIGURE THAT OUT IN THE FUTURE. TO SEE IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET THAT. AS FAR AS COMMUNICATIONS AS A WHOLE, WE DO HAVE A PRO-ACTIVE COMMUNICATION PLAN TO MAKE SURE RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, EMERGENCY RESPONDERS, ACDI, EVERYONE IS INFORMED OF HOW THIS SF GOING TO GO. THE CONTRACTOR WE ARE ANTICIPATING IS TO RECEIVE THE NOTICE TO PROCEED JULY 1ST, BECAUSE IT TAKES ABOUT TWO WEEKS FOR THE TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN TO BE APPROVED. ONCE THAT IS APPROVED AND WE HAVE ALL THE EXACT DETAILS, WE PLAN TO SEND THE COMMUNICATION OUT AT THE SAME TIME. RIGHT? SO START BEGINNING ALL OF THE COMMUNICATION METHODS WE PLAN ON USING. CITY COUNCIL MAY NOT NOTICE, BUT WE HAVE WAYS FOR CITIES HERE AT THE CITY OF HUTTO. SO IF YOU USE WAZE AS DIRECTION, NOT EVERYBODY DOES. LOT OF PEOPLE USE APPLE MAPS OR DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT IF YOU DO USE WAZE, IT WILL UPDATE THE ROUTES AUTOMATICALLY. SO IT WILL SHOW YOU, HEY, THIS ROAD IS ACTUALLY CLOSED. [00:40:01] SO IF YOU'VE MISSED ALL COMMUNICATION FROM THE CITY OF HUTTO, THAT APP WILL HAPPEN. ANOTHER THING THAT WE WILL BE DOING IS DOOR HANGERS DIRECTLY TO THE IMPACTED RESIDENTS AND IMPACTED BUSINESSES. WE WILL ALSO BE GIVING FORMAL NOTICE TO ALL THE BUSINESSES THROUGH CERTIFIED LETTERS. CERTIFIED LETTERS ARE GREAT TO SAY, HEY, WE DID THIS, WE CHECKED THIS BOX, BUT WE ARE ALSO TRYING TO GATHER DIRECT CONTACT INFORMATION FOR ALL THOSE BUSINESSES. THOSE GO TO PO BOXES. THEY MAY NOT NECESSARILY SEE IT IN TIME. WE'LL ALSO HAVE A PROJECT WEB PAGE WITH A PROJECT DESCRIPTION, EXPECTED IMPACT, CONTACT INFORMATION. WE'RE COORDINATING WITH THE ESD BECAUSE THEY WILL BE IMPACTED OFF OF METCALF. THEY TAKE THAT ROAD. WE'LL BE COORDINATING WITH THEM. AND THEN ALSO COORDINATION WITH TEX DOT FOR ANY WORK ON THE RIGHT OF WAY. BASED ON THE APPROACH, THE CONTRACTOR EXPECTS TO COMPLETE APPROXIMATELY 1,500 LINEAR FEET EVERY THREE TO FOUR DAYS. SO IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR AGENDA, ALL OF THE ROADS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF LIVE OAK SHOULD ONLY TAKE ABOUT THREE TO FOUR DAYS FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE, WEATHER PERMITTING. AND WE'RE ALSO FOCUSED ON MINIMIZING IMPACTS TO BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS AS DIRECTOR CORONADO MENTIONED. THEY HAVE DONE WORK HERE BEFORE. THAT WAS SIMILAR IN LENGTH. THERE WERE BUSINESSES ON THAT ROAD. THERE WASN'T REALLY ANYTHING THAT RISE TO MY OFFICE. MY OFFICE USUALLY HEARS ABOUT EF COMPLAINT. SO THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. AND THE GOAL IS TO PROVIDE ENOUGH NOTICE WHEN CONSTRUCTION BEGINS. WHAT DO WE CONSIDER ENOUGH NOTICE? TO ME THAT'S AT LEAST SEVEN BUSINESS DAYS. EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN THE NOTICE TO PROCEED, WE WILL ALSO DISCUSS WITHIN THAT 90-DAYTIMEFRAME WHEN THEY CAN ACTUALLY START MOBILIZING. AND COMMUNICATIONS WILL BE PART OF EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE MEETINGS SO THAT WHEN THE TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN IS APPROVED, WE'VE ALREADY PREPARED ALL OF OUR COLLATERAL. >> SO HOW LONG WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE IT WOULD TAKE FOR THOSE DOOR HANGERS TO GO OUT TO ALL OF THE RESIDENTS ON ALL OF THESE AFFECTED STREETS? >> WITHIN SEVEN DAYS BEFORE THEY'RE AFFECTED. >> SEVEN BUSINESS. >> SEVEN BUSINESS DAYS, YEAH. >> OKAY. JUST BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING THAT NOTICE TO PROCEED AFTER NOTICE TO PROCEED, ACCORDING TO THE AGENDA, THEN WITHIN TWO WEEKS WE COULD START THIS. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT'S GOING TO EXCEED THE 90 DAYS BECAUSE YOU NEED TIME TO GET THE NOTIFICATION OUT. SO THAT'S GONNA DRAG IT OUT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY THREE WEEKS NOW BEFORE THE CONTRACTOR ACTUALLY GETS STARTED. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? WE NEED CLEAR DIRECTION AND A CLEAR SCHEDULE, NOT JUST SAY 90 DAYS. ALREADY WE'RE LOSING A WEEK WITH GETTING NOTIFICATION OUT. >> SO THE NOTIFICATION -- >> IN MY MIND YOU COULD APPROVE THIS TODAY AND THEN NOTIFICATION COULD GO OUT, SAY WEDNESDAY NEXT WEEK. THEY COULD DO DOOR HANGERS ON HUTTO STREET BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA START JULY 2ND. YOU STILL GET YOUR SEVEN DAYS. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CONTRACTOR LIKE HAND TO HAND, RIGHT? >> RIGHT. AND PUBLIC WORKS WILL ACTUALLY BE HANDING OUT THOSE DOOR HANGERS, NOT THE CONTRACTOR. THEY CHARGE US EXTRA MONEY FOR THAT. SO WE WOULD DO THAT ON OUR END. THAT'S ALSO WHY, FROM A COMMUNICATIONS PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE ALL OF THIS AHEAD OF TIME SO WE COULD ALREADY PLAN IT. THERE'S TWO METHODS TO GO. IF COUNCIL DIRECTION WAS, HEY, JUST START SENDING OUT COMMUNICATION RIGHT NOW, THIS WEEK, OR NEXT WEEK BECAUSE THE BUSINESS WEEK IS OVER. WE COULD DO THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE TOO GENERAL AND IT WOULD JUST CREATE MORE QUESTIONS SO WE REALLY DO HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN IS DONE AND THEY HAVE THEIR SPECIFIC SCHEDULE OUT SO THAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING ONCE AND EFFECTIVELY. >> IF YOU WAIT TWO WEEKS FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL TO BE APPROVED, WE'RE ALREADY -- THEY ALREADY LOST A WEEK. >> HE'S CORRECT, IN THAT THE NOTICE TO PROCEED IS ANTICIPATED TO BE JULY 1ST, WHICH IS WHEN THE SHOP CLOCK ESSENTIALLY STARTS. SO YOU HAVE TWO WEEKS OF A PERIOD THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND THAT SHOT CLOCK HASN'T STARTED. BUT SLIGHTLY INCORRECT ON THAT THE COMMUNICATION WOULD PUSH THE 90 DAYS OUT FURTHER BECAUSE THAT NOTICE TO PROCEED IS WHAT CREATES THE SHOT CLOCK, NOT OUR NOTIFICATION. AND THE CONTRACTOR'S AWARE OF THAT. YOU HAVE TO NOTIFY PEOPLE AND WAIT FOR A SECOND BEFORE YOU CAN MOBILIZE. THAT'S BUILT INTO THE TIMELINE THAT THEY GAVE US. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? [00:45:03] >> IT DOES. >> OKAY. >> I THINK YOU ALL KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT SCHEDULES. >> YES, SIR. >> HOPE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO NAIL THIS ONE. >> YES, SIR. >> OCTOBER 2ND. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER IS, BUT IT WILL PROBABLY BE ON THE AGENDA. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> IF IT'S NOT DONE. >> HEY, RICK, I HAVE A QUESTION. JUST SO I KNOW BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. IS THIS THE SAME DEAL THAT WE GOT LIKE ON WEST STREET? WHEN THEY REDID THE -- >> WHAT STREET? >> WEST STREET. WHEN THEY REDID THE PAVEMENT OR WHATEVER THERE? >> ACTUALLY, THIS IS GOING DOWN 7 INCHES. SO THE OTHER ONE WAS MORE A MILL AND OVERLAY. THIS ACTUALLY WILL GO TO THE BASE AND YOU'LL COME BACK WITH WHAT WE CALL JUST BLACK ASPHALT AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER LAYER ON TOP. TOTAL OF SEVEN TO BUILD UP FROM. WHEREAS THE OTHER ONE WAS MORE LIKE 2 1/2. >> LITTLE MORE EXTENSIVE. >> THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR ALL THE STREETS. TO HELP MANAGE HIGHER LOADS. >> OKAY. >> I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU START, BUT CAN WE START ON LIVE OAK? PLEASE. >> THIS IS THE BASE, LIVE OAK. SO THAT IS THE PRIMARY, WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLETE BEFORE WE GO TO ANY ALTERNATES. >> BEAUTIFUL. >> LIVE OAK IS THE PRIMARY. >> I KNOW ONE RESIDENT WHO WILL BE HAPPY. HOPEFULLY. >> JUST REMEMBER THERE WAS A LOT OF PREP WORK THAT HAS TO HAPPEN BEFOREHAND. THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF RIBBON CURB WORK, AREAS THAT SOME OF THE CULVERTS HAD TO BE REDONE. WE'VE BEEN PREPARING FOR LIVE OAK TO HAVE THIS WORK DONE. OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS A REBID. HOWEVER, IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE LESS THAN THE LAST TIME WE DID PER WHAT I WOULD CALL PER SQUARE YARD. IT ALIGNS WITH SIMILAR BIDS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST. >> OKAY. >> WE WORE THAT ITEM OUT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT AGENDA 8.2 AS PRESENTED. >> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KING, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KING. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. >> AYE. >> MAYOR SNYDER. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA. >> AYE. [8.3. Consideration andpossibleactiononResolutionNo.R-2026-135authorizingtheCity Manager toexecute Task order #1under ageneral service agreement withHolbrook Asphalt, LLC in the amount of $239,902.43 forthe purchase and installation of highdensity mineral bond seal("HA5")treatment for asphalt pavement.(Rick Coronado] >> MOTION PASS 6-30. NEXT ITEM 8.3 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON R-2026-135 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE TASK ORDER NUMBER 1 UNDER A GENERAL SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH HOLBROOK ASPHALT LLC IN THE AMOUNT OF $239902.43 FOR PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF HIGH DENSITY MINERAL BOND SEAL HA5 TREATMENT FOR ASPHALT TREATMENT. >> AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO BE A SCHEDULE QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAD ON THE AGENDA. THE PACKET SHOWS THAT IT'S JULY THROUGH AUGUST. SO IS THAT A FIRM WINDOW OF COMPLETION OR COULD THAT EXTEND BEYOND DUE TO WEATHER AND OTHER UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES? >> TASK ORDER NUMBER 1 IS TARGETED AT SUBDIVISION HIGHLANDS PHASE 1 AND 2. AND IT HAS A TENTATIVE SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW INCLUDED IN THERE. I THINK IT'S AUGUST THE 8TH THROUGH THE 17TH, I BELIEVE. AND THIS IS INTENDED -- AND IT SHOWS UP IN THE MAPS THEMSELVES. SO THE ACTUAL MAPS HAVE DIFFERENT SCHEDULES, DIFFERENT COLOR CODED SCHEDULES. THIS IS INTENDED TO BE ALSO WITH THE ITEM THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN APRIL 16TH WHICH INCLUDED TWO OTHER SUBDIVISIONS. MUSTANG CREEK AND I BELIEVE IT WAS HUTTO -- OR HUTTO TOWN SQUARE, I BELIEVE. SO THOSE TWO SUBDIVISIONS ARE SIMILAR IN SCHEDULE. SO THEY'LL MOBILIZE ONCE AND THEN TACKLE ALL THESE THREE SUBDIVISIONS. THEY'LL HAVE DIFFERENT COLOR CODING SCHEDULES FOR THAT. IF, BECAUSE OF WEATHER DELAYS, SO THE PROCESS IS THEY'LL PUT ONE COATING DOWN DAY 1 DURING [00:50:05] THE FIRST SEVEN DAY PERIOD. AND THEN SUBSEQUENT COATING WILL COME THE NEXT FOLLOWING DAY. IF THERE'S A WEATHER DELAY, THEY DON'T PUSH IT TO THE NEXT DAY. THEY'LL RESET IT TO THE END OF THE SCHEDULE SO THAT WAY -- BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY PREPLANNING THAT HAPPENS IN ADVANCE. AND SO YOU WANT TO RESCHEDULE ALL THE WEATHER EVENTS TOWARDS THE TAIL END OF THE PROJECT. THAT'S THE TENTATIVE SCHEDULE IS FROM LATE JULY TO MID AUGUST. >> OKAY. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION A MOTION TO ACCEPT AGENDA ITEM 8.3 AS PRESENTED, PLEASE. >> SECOND. >> SECONDED BY MORRIS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> I HAVE A DISCUSSION. ON PAGE 116, THERE'S BASICALLY I GUESS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE COMMUNICATION IS GOING TO BE FOR EACH OF THE STREETS, INCLUDING SOME EXPLANATIONS AND ON THE BACK SIDE IS APPROPRIATE MAP FOR THAT. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THIS CONTRACTOR HAS DONE, OR IS THIS SOMETHING THE CITY HAS DONE? AND IS THAT KIND OF A BOILERPLATE WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR ANY TYPE OF ROAD CLOSURE? >> I'VE MENTIONEDED THAT WE'VE USED THIS CONTRACTOR PROBABLY FOR PHUPLT. FISCAL YEARS. EACH YEAR WE UP THE GAME A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT THE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ARE, WHAT THE COMMUNICATION PACKAGE IS. AND SO THIS IS ACTUALLY STOOD UP BY THE CONTRACTOR. SO THEY HAVE AN INDEPENDENT WEBSITE BECAUSE THEY -- ANY TIME THERE'S A WEATHER DELAY, THEY'LL UPDATE THAT WEBSITE TO REFLECT ANY CHANGES THAT MAY HAPPEN BECAUSE OF WEATHER DELAYS. A LOT OF THIS IS VERY MUCH CONSISTENT MESSAGING THAT WILL BE SENT OUT THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT. >> I LOVE THIS. I WAS JUST THINKING THAT IS IT -- DO WE WANT THE CITY TO STANDARDIZE THIS FORMAT NO MATTER WHATEVER CONTRACTOR WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY? THAT THERE'S A CONSISTENT MESSAGE THAT THE FORMAT? THIS IS OBVIOUSLY GREAT. IT MAY BE PER CONTRACTOR, PER EVENT, PER ROAD, PER CONTRACT. MAY BE SUFFICIENT. DO WE WANT TO STANDARDIZE SOMETHING SO THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS SOMETHING TO EXPECT? >> DEFINITELY, WE CAN LEARN FROM SOME OF THESE COMMUNICATION TOOLS THAT THEY'VE USED. AND WE HAVE. THIS IS UNIQUE TO THIS CONTRACTOR, THAT THEY BUILT IN A COMMUNICATIONS PLAN WITH THEIR PROJECT. THAT IS UNIQUE THAT YOU DON'T SEE THIS OFTEN. BUT WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT FULL FORCE. >> AGAIN, I LIKE THIS. MAYBE JUST A SUGGESTION. THIS IS NOT ANY KNOCK ON THIS. I'M NOT GONNA VOTE AGAINST IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THIS. I THINK THIS SHOULD BE -- IF THIS CONTRACTOR PUTS COMMUNICATION PLAN IN IT, DO WE WANT TO REQUIRE OTHER CONTRACTORS DO THAT? WHETHER IT BE -- ANY TIME THE ROADS OR UTILITIES ARE TORN UP, THAT HAS AN IMPACT ON CITIZENS, TRAFFIC, RESIDENTS OR WHATEVER. IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION GOING FORWARD MORE LONG TERM THAN RIGHT NOW. >> I THINK SORT OF THIS, BUT WE HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE. I HAVEN'T DRIVEN DOWN TO 147 TO SEE IT BUT I THINK WE HAVE HAD PREVIOUS DIRECTION THAT ANY PROJECT IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE LIKE A 4X8. GOT THE PROJECT NAME, CONTRACTOR. >> ONLY THE CIP PROJECTS. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. MAYBE NOT THIS BUT ALL THE OTHER ONES WE HAVE A STANDARD -- >> ON SITE. >> THAT'S ALL I'M SUGGESTING. JUST THINK ABOUT IT, THAT'S ALL. >> DAVID AMSLER EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF STRATEGIC OPERATIONS FOR THE RECORD. AS DIRECTOR CORONADO MENTIONED, THIS IS A CONTRACTOR WE'VE WORKED WITH FOR THREE YEARS NOW. A LOT OF WHAT THEY PROVIDE CAME OUT OF BOX, BUT ALSO WAS WORKING WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT TO BUILD THIS ROBUSTNESS. THEY'VE IMPROVED A LITTLE BIT EVERY YEAR BASED OFF OUR FEED BACK. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DO IS PART OF WHAT WE'RE BRINGING OVER TO OUR COMMUNICATIONS PLAN WITH DOWNTOWN RIGHT? SO WE ARE TAKING LESSONS FROM IT BECAUSE WE DO THINK OVERALL IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM. TO DO IT FOR EVERY SINGLE PROJECT IN THE CITY I THINK THAT'S VERY WISE. IT'S REALLY JUST WHEN DOES COMMUNICATIONS GET INVOLVED IN PROJECTS? AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT INTERNALLY. [00:55:01] >> THANK YOU. >> PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> MAYOR SNYDER. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KING. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. >> AYE. [8.5. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2026-137 authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with Bennett Paving, Inc. in the amount of $145,201 related to the Citywide Sidewalk Repairs. (Rick Coronado)] >> MOTION PASSES 6-0. NEXT BRINGS US TO ITEM 8.5 CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION R-2026-137 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH BENNETT PAVING INCORPORATED IN THE AMOUNT OF $145,201 RELATED TO CITY WIDE SIDEWALK REPAIRS. >> SO THIS IS MORE OF A SUGGESTION. I REALLY DON'T HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS ONE. SAYS THAT THE SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE PROGRAM REQUIRES REPLACEMENT OR REPAIR OF EXISTING SIDEWALKS THAT HAVE DETERIORATED DUE TO CONDITIONS OR DESIGN. AND THEN ON THE THIRD PAGE IT SHOWS A MAP OF THE SIDEWALK LOCATIONS WITH THE VARIOUS COLORS OF THOSE LOCATIONS. THE ONLY SUGGESTION THAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL TO INCLUDE IN THE FUTURE AGENDA PACKETS SINCE PEOPLE ARE PUTTING EYES ON IT. MAYBE JUST SNAP A FEW PICTURES, INCLUDE WITHIN THE PACKET. WE CAN SEE KIND OF THE CONDITION, YOU KNOW. LIKE THE OLD ADDAGE SAYS A PICTURE'S WORTH 1,000 WORDS. IT WOULD JUST GO TO, IN MY OPINION, TO JUST KIND OF SUPPORT THE MAP AND THAT KIND OF DEAL. THAT'S ALL. >> GOOD ENOUGH. YES. I'LL TAKE THAT. >> SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT AGENDA ITEM 8.5 AS PRESENTED. >> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KING, SECONDED BY PORTERFIELD. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KING. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. >> AYE. >> MAYOR SNYDER. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS? [8.11. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2026-030 amending the FY 2026 budget for expenditures of the 2024 Certificates of Obligation Streets Fund, Utility Operating Fund, Community Benefit Fee Fund, and Hutto Economic Development Corporation. (Alberta Barrett)] >> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES 6-0. ITEM 8.11. UTILITY OPERATING FUND, COMMUNE BENEFIT FEE FUND AND HUTTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. >> HI. I BROUGHT THIS UP BECAUSE I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT WHY WE'RE DOING THE -- WHY WE ARE LOOKING FOR AMENDING THE 2026 BUDGET. WHAT HAPPENED AS FAR AS HOW WE SET OUR BUDGET, WAS IT INCREASE, DECREASE? I WANT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT EACH INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEM. COMMUNE BENEFIT FEE AND HUTTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. >> JUST THOSE TWO? >> OF ALL OF THEM. >> OKAY. SURE. FOR THE RECORD, ALBERTA BARRETT, FINANCE DIRECTOR. SO FOR THE 24 CO'S FOR STREETS, WE ARE DOING AMENDMENT FOR $368,497 WHICH IS ON CHANGE ORDER ON THE LEGENDS OF HUTTO CIP PROJECT. THAT COMES FROM OUR MONIES WE ISSUED IN '24. THEN IT STILL HAS A FUND BALANCE OF 4,299,257 AFTER THAT BUDGET AMENDMENT. THE NEXT CATEGORY IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. WE HAVE TWO LINE ITEMS. ONE FOR $6,000 TO PURCHASE RESIMPLIFY SOFTWARE THAT EDC HAD TALKED ABOUT. AND ALSO PURCHASE A PROPERTY, SO LAND PURCHASE OF $489,500. SO WITH THOSE TWO THE ENDING FUND BALANCE AT THIS TIME FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION IS $40,829,116. THE NEXT WAS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE FUND. WE DID 1,10$1,100,839 WHICH IS FINISHING PAYING OUT A CONTRACTOR FOR ENGINEERING DESIGN. I SHOULD SAY DESIGN OF THE JUSTICE CENTER. AND WE DIDN'T CARRY THAT MUCH OVER WHEN WE WERE DOING THE BUDGET THIS YEAR SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE NEEDING TO DO THE AMENDMENT THERE. AFTER THAT EXPENSE THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE FUND WILL HAVE A BALANCE OF $1,688,590. AND THEN THE LAST WAS UTILITY OPERATING FUND. WE AFFECTED SEVERAL LINE ITEMS, BUT IT WAS MAINLY TO INSTALL SOME SECURITY CAMERAS WITHIN THE [01:00:03] WATER TOWER. WE ARE HOLDING SOME OF OUR INVENTORY. AND THE RATE STEADY EXPENDITURES. SO WE DID GET COUNCIL'S APPROVAL ON THAT EARLIER IN THE YEAR. WE JUST NEVER CAME BACK AND DID A BUDGET AMENDMENT, SO I'M PICKING IT UP NOW. AND SO TO CLARIFY, THAT WAS WHAT THE MEMO WENT OUT YESTERDAY ON THE FUND BALANCE THERE. WE JUST PICKED UP THE WRONG LINE ITEM. THE UTILITY FUND HAS BALANCE OF $13,652,674 RIGHT NOW. AND WHAT WE REPORTED WAS THE EXCESS OF OUR RESERVE. WE JUST PICKED UP THE WRONG ONE. >> OH, OKAY. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE BUDGET BECAUSE COUNCILS OR EDC BOARDS HAVE TAKEN ACTION TO DIRECT BUDGET CHANGES. AND THEN THIS IS US COMING AND MAKING THEM EFFECTIVE BY OFFICIALLY HAVING COUNCIL VOTE TO CHANGE THE BUDGET. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. WE WILL GENERALLY DO A MID YEAR BUDGET AMENDMENT TO KIND OF CATCH SOME OF THE LINE ITEM THINGS THAT HAVE NEEDED TO MOVE. I CAN AUTHORIZE SOME BUDGET CHANGES. I CAN'T SPEND MORE MONEY, BUT I CAN MOVE IT AROUND. AND THOSE ARE DISCLOSED IN THE FINANCIAL REPORT ALREADY. AND THEN AT THE END OF THE BUDGET YEAR, WE WILL GENERALLY HAVE ONE MORE BUDGET AMENDMENT SO WE CAN PUT EVERYTHING UP HOW IT ACTUALLY ENDED AT THE END OF THE YEAR. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 8.11. >> I SECOND. >> MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA. SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KING. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. >> AYE. >> MAYOR SNYDER. >> AYE. [9.1. Discussion and Possible Action on the Independent Measurement of a Wall at the Adam Orgain Park Pub)ic Restroom Currently In-Construction (CIP P19). (Kate Moriarty)] >> MOTION PASSES 6-0. NEXT ITEM 9-1 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE INDEPENDENT MEASUREMENT OF A WALL AT THE ADAM ORGAIN PARK PUBLIC REST ROOM CURRENTLY IN CONSTRUCTION CIP P19. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. KATE MORIARTY. YOU ALL GAVE DIRECTION AT THE PRIOR CITY COUNCIL MEETING UNDER THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT PRESENTATION FOR AN INDEPENDENT MEASUREMENT TO BE DONE. ATS INSPECTION, WHO WE USE FOR BUILDING INSPECTIONS, WAS ABLE TO GO OUT TO THE JOB SITE AND DID JUST THAT. THAT IS THE BACKUP MATERIAL IN THE AGENDA ITEM. I DO BELIEVE -- ARE YOU MR. DALE. WE DO HAVE THE ARCHITECT HERE. SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF TO THE ARCHITECT, THEY ARE HERE. I BELIEVE WE ALSO HAVE THE CONTRACTOR, OR SOME CONTRACTOR REPRESENTATIVES ON TEAMS AS WELL. THE LAST THING I'LL ADD IS THAT YESTERDAY YOU ALL WERE SENT A PUNCH LIST THAT HAD BEEN GENERATED BACK IN APRIL WHEN A WALK THROUGH WAS PERFORMED WITH STAFF AND THE ARCHITECT ON THE JOB SITE. DETAILING WHAT INCONSISTENCIES OR POTENTIAL ISSUES WERE FOUND. AND WITH THAT, REALLY LEAVING THIS TO YOU ALL FOR FURTHER DIRECTION. IS THERE A FINAL RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF? >> STAFF RECOMMENDATION HAS BEEN TO PROCEED WITH DEMOLITION IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE SUMLIN GROUP. >> THANK YOU. >> THIS IS THE ARCHITECT? >> YES, SIR. >> SAYS ONE POINT -- WE'RE TALKING LIKE 1.6 INCHES OUT OF PLUM. IS THAT SOMETHING LIKE YOU WALK UP AND GO, WOW, IS THAT CROOKED OR DO YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY PUT A LEVEL? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN EXACTLY? IF YOU'RE SITTING IN A REST ROOM, IF YOU'RE SITTING THERE, DO YOU JUST LOOK AT IT AND GO, WHO EVER BUILT THIS -- >> FROM A LAY PERSON PERSPECTIVE, IT'S VISIBLE. >> YEAH. >> WHAT'S THE SPEC REQUIREMENT? >> I KNOW. I WANT IT STATED PUBLICLY. >> HELLO, DALE AUSTIN. SO THE ACCEPTABLE STANDARD IS QUARTER INCH EVERY TEN FEET. [01:05:04] AS FAR AS PLUMNESS IS CONCERNED. ONE OF THE WALLS ON, I BELIEVE, THE NORTH SIDE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU CAN TELL IT'S OUT OF PLUM WHEN YOU PUT A LEVEL ON IT, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS. THEN THERE'S ANOTHER WALL IN THE INTERIOR DEFINITELY AT THE TOP CAME OUT. SO PART OF OUR PUNCH LIST, WE HAD INSTRUCTED THAT THOSE TOP THREE ROWS BE REMOVED AND REPLACED BACK WHEN WE WERE DOING THE NORMAL PUNCH LIST AND WHAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN ON THERE. SO THE REPORT FROM, I BELIEVE, ATS, I WILL SAY -- IS IT OKAY IF I TALK ABOUT WHAT THE ARCHITECT SENT OVER THIS AFTERNOON? >> YES. >> JUST A COUPLE TWO, THREE HOURS AGO MICROTECH RESPONDED WITH -- >> WHO'S MICROTECH? >> THEY ARE THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR. >> OKAY. >> THEY WENT OUT AND DID THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT MEASUREMENTS, AND WHAT THEY POINTED OUT, WHICH I BELIEVE THEY ARE CORRECT, IS THE OTHER MEASUREMENT WAS TAKEN FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING WHICH IS SPLIT FACE CMU WHICH JUST BY ITS NATURE IS -- WHEN YOU LOOK IN THE REPORT, ALL THE PHOTOS SHOW THEM MEASURING THE EXTERIOR, WHICH COULD BE A PROBLEM. BUT MICROTECH HAS NOW SINCE RESPONDED. SO THEY WENT OUT AND MEASURED IT. SO THEY'RE DISPUTING THE MEASUREMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT REALLY LEAVES US, UNLESS WE WANT A THIRD VERIFICATION. RIGHT NOW MICROTECH IS DISPUTING WHAT ATS SAID THEY FOUND. >> WHAT IS THEIR MEASUREMENT? >> WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING THAT UP, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I HEARD CORRECTLY THAT ATS MEASURED INSIDE AND OUT, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES, SIR. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KING, WHILE HE'S LOOKING FOR THAT, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT ATS HAD MEASURED INSIDE THE WALL. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS BROUGHT IT UP. SO WE REACHED OUT TO ASK BECAUSE ALL THE PHOTOS THAT ARE PRESENTED ARE ONLY OUTSIDE. BUT THE ATS INSPECTOR REPLIED BACK THAT THEY CONFIRMED THAT THEY DID ALSO MEASURE PLUM INSIDE BUT WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THE SECOND PERSON TO TAKE A PICTURE OF THEM DOING IT. SO THEY HAVE THE MEASUREMENT AND THEY STILL CONCUR THAT IT IS OUT OF PLUM. >> SO BASED ON ATS' RECOMMENDATIONS MEASURING INSIDE AND OUT, STAFF HAS SUGGESTED, OR ATS HAS SUGGESTED, WHO EVER SUGGESTED COMPLETE DEMOLITION AND REBUILD? >> YES. ATS, ALL THEY DID WAS MEASURE AND GIVE US AN ANSWER. THE ARCHITECT, BASICALLY, IS THE ONE THAT CONCURS THAT THAT IS SUFFICIENTLY OUTSIDE OF THE AGREED SPECIFICATION AND, THEREFORE, THE ONLY WAY TO REMEDIATE THAT NOW IS TO EFFECTIVELY GO BACK DOWN AND START AGAIN. >> JUST TO CONFIRM YOU SAID THEY MEASURED BOTH INSIDE AND OUT BUT THE REPORT ONLY SHOWS OUT THE PICTURES. EVEN THE SUMMARY ONLY SHOWS THE OUTSIDE WALL. ARE THERE NO NOTES FOR THE INSIDE WALL? >> THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. >> I DIDN'T SEE ANY. SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE THE REPORT. THEY HAVE A CHART HERE TALKING ABOUT NUMBER OF DEGREES OUT OF PLANE. ALL THE PHOTOS SHOWED IT FROM THE OUTSIDE. MICROTECH RESPONDED THIS AFTERNOON WITH THE SAME THOUGHT. HEY, IF YOU MEASURE THE OUTSIDE, THAT'S NOT WHERE YOU SHOULD MEASURE. >> YEAH. I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, THE REPORT SHOWS A SUMMARY ONE, TWO, THREE AND FOUR. AND THOSE APPEAR TO CORRELATE TO THE PICTURES BELOW. >> MASONRY NOT CINDER BLOCK, WHICH IS INTERIOR. MASONRY IS CINDER BLOCK. >> ATS MEASURED INSIDE. THEY DIDN'T HAVE PICTURES. I GET THAT. THERE'S ALSO NO NOTES ON THE INTERIOR WALL. >> SAYS MASONRY. THE INTERIOR WALL IS CINDER BLOCK. CORRECT? ISN'T THAT CONSIDERED MASONRY? I DON'T KNOW. >> I DON'T KNOW EITHER. >> IT'S A MASONRY UNIT. BASICALLY, IT'S 8 INCH MASONRY UNIT. OUTSIDE IS ROUGH, INSIDE SMOOTH. >> IT'S ONE PIECE. >> ONE PIECE. >> THEY SAID OUR MEASUREMENTS ARE WRONG. >> WHAT WERE MICROTECH'S DISPUTED NUMBERS? >> EAST WALL ONE HALF INCH WITHIN TOLERANCE. EAST WALL NUMBER TWO 1/8, NORTH WALL IS 1 1/8. THAT'S THE ONE WE ALL AGREE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU CAN TELL. >> THEY SAID 1 1/8. IS THAT OUTSIDE? >> IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE QUARTER. >> QUARTER INCH PER TEN FEET. >> THEY NOW AGREE. BECAUSE WHEN THAT GUY TALKED TO [01:10:01] US TWO WEEKS AGO HE SAID 1/8, 1/4. HE WAS DISPUTING. WE SAID SOME NUMBER AND HE WAS LIKE -- GOT ON THERE. WE ALL AGREE IT'S AT LEAST AN INCH OFF. >> I WON'T BELABOR IT. I'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO GO WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ONE. >> SECOND. >> EVERYBODY AGREES IT'S OUT OF PLUM. LET'S MOVE ON. >> MORRIS, PORTERFIELD. >> CAN I ADD ONE THING, MORRIS? >> IF HE APPROVES IT. >> CAN WE MAKE SURE WE GET EVERYTHING FROM THE SAME LOT ON THE BUILDING MATERIAL? SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PAINT IT. >> IT DEPENDS -- >> GENERALLY, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD THE ABILITY TO REUSE AS MUCH MATERIAL AS THEY COULD SAVE. CORRECT? SO THAT WOULD PRECLUDE THAT FROM BEING ALLOWED. UNLESS WE'RE WILLING TO PAY MORE MONEY. >> I DON'T WANT TO PAY MORE. IF IT DOESN'T MATCH THE CONTRACTOR SHOULD PAY FOR THE PAINT. >> IF YOUR -- SALVAGE WHAT THEY COULD, BUT WHEN THEY ORDERED IN THE NEW MASONRY, UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK IT WAS A DIFFERENT LOT AND A DIFFERENT MANUFACTURER. SO THEN I BELIEVE -- I BELIEVE THAT'S PART OF WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. IT WAS A MIXING OF THESE TWO DIFFERENT LOTS TOGETHER TRYING TO SALVAGE THINGS. >> HERE'S THE THING. I HAVEN'T READ THE CONTRACT. BUT IN MY OPINION, IT'S OUT OF PLUM. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR ANYTHING. THEY NEED TO FIX IT. >> I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A -- THIS IS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING LEGAL CAN LOOK INTO. >> SURE. >> I BELIEVE THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO REUSE AS MUCH OF THE MATERIAL AS THEY PHYSICALLY COULD. I WOULD SAY THEN THEY WOULD TAKE THE POSITION, WELL, I CAN REUSE ONE-THIRD OF THIS. >> SURE. >> SO I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY OUT OF MY POCKET TO REPLACE 100% OF IT. BUT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE WAY LEGAL DETERMINES IT TO BE. >> BUT WASN'T PART OF THE CONTRACT ALSO TO USE NATURAL ON THE INSIDE AND NOT PAINT IT, AND THEY PAINTED IT? >> I WAS AMOUNT TO CHIME IN. >> PER THE CONTRACT, WE DON'T WANT IT PAINTED. THEY CAN REUSE EVERYTHING AND MAKE IT ALL GREAT AND NOT HAVE TO USE PAINTED, THEN THEY'VE DONE AN ENGINEERING MIRACLE THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO SO FAR. WE JUST DON'T ACCEPT IT IF IT'S PAINTED. >> CAN YOU RESTATE THE MOTION? >> SO THE MOTION IS TO GO WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF COMPLETE DEMOLITION BUT WE WANT IT BUILT PER CONTRACT WITH MATCHING LOT, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU SAY THAT. >> MASONRY MATERIALS PER THE ORIGINAL SPECIFICATION. >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. YEAH. DOTTIE IS LOOKING AT ME. DID I MISS SOMETHING? >> NO. I THINK THAT'S FINE. I THINK THE FACT THAT THEY TORE IT DOWN AND REUSED MATERIALS, YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO DO THAT AGAIN. >> THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM. >> THE PREFERENCE IS TO NOT HAVE THE EXTERIOR PAINTED SO THERE'S NOT WAY TO USE ANYTHING THAT'S THERE BECAUSE IT IS PAINTED. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> I LIKE THE ORIGINAL SPEC. >> PLEASE CALL THE NOTE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KING. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. >> AYE. >> MAYOR SNYDER. >> AYE. [9.2. Discuss and possible action on City Council Protocols regarding the appointment process for Boards and Commissions members. (Councilmember Morris)] >> MOTION PASSES 6-0. 9.2 DISCUSS AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CITY COUNCIL PROTOCOLS REGARDING THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS MEMBERS. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS? >> YEAH, ABOUT READY. >> LET ME GET MY BELL READY HERE. THIS WAS BROUGHT UP ON THE MESSAGE BOARD ABOUT LOOKING AT THE PROTOCOLS. I DID -- I HAVE SOME HANDOUTS HERE. THAT WERE POTENTIAL SUGGESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. >> WE ALL GOT BAD EYES. COULDN'T HAVE MADE THIS TEN POINT OR SOMETHING? >> I DO HAVE ONE FOR CITY SECRETARY. THEN FOR EACH OF YOU GUYS. >> YOU CAN HAVE MINE. I GOT PLENTY. SO THE WAY THIS HANDOUT IS UNDER [01:15:07] THE NOMINATION PROCESS, AND SO RIGHT NOW IT'S, PROCESS APPOINTMENT CITY -- THE CITY COUNCIL RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING APPOINTMENTS TO CITY BOARD COMMISSION, COMMITTEE, LGC, TRZ AND TASK FORCE TO PROMOTE A PROCESS THAT IS THE GOAL IS TO PROMOTE A PROCESS THAT IS EFFICIENT, TRANSPARENT AND ALLOWS INPUT FROM THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL. THE FOLLOWING PROCESS SHALL BE USED TO MAKE APPOINTMENTS TO A CITY BOARD, COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE. THAT'S LGC TOURISM TASK FORCE. I JUST READ THAT VERBATIM. THERE'S A COUPLE ITEMS. YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED NOT NECESSARILY FOR -- WE CAN DISCUSS THAT NOW, BUT I FIND THAT -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT, THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE EXEMPT FROM THE FOLLOWING PROCESSES. I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT PROCESSES AN EXEMPTION IS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S JUST A HANGOVER FOR SOMETHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN DELETED. BUT RIGHT NOW WE OPERATE UNDER A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT'S APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AT LARGE. AND SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIR. AT THIS TIME IT'S MYSELF AND DAN THORNTON AND THEN PETER GORDON HAS LEFT THE CITY COUNCIL PHOGS. SO RIGHT NOW MY GOAL AT LOOKING AT THIS IS GOING BACK TO PROMOTE A PROCESS THAT IS TRANSPARENT AND ALLOWS INPUT FROM THE ENTIRE COUNCIL. I WISH TO HAVE MORE INTERACTION BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL, AND THIS IS INCLUDING MYSELF. I'M NOT CALLING OUT ANYONE AT ALL, ABOUT LOOKING AT THESE ESSENTIALLY IT'S AN APPLICATION OR RESUME THAT'S FILLED OUT ON -- ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE. PETER AND MYSELF, IS THAT WE WOULD COORDINATE AND PETER WOULD COORDINATE THE MEETINGS, GETTING EVERYONE IN THE SAME PLACE SAME TIME, SHARING THE GOV APPLICATION FROM THE CITY SITE, WHICH IS LIKE A JOB APPLICATION. AND THEN HAVING SOME DISCUSSION USING THE MESSAGE BOARD TO -- THAT'S PUBLIC. IF WE HAVE CANDIDATE A, B, C, WE CAN DISCUSS SOME THINGS, MERITS OR WHATEVER, WITHOUT VIOLATING THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. RIGHT NOW IT'S THAT LAST THING. I DON'T SEE ANY INTERACTION ON THE MESSAGE BOARD, ME INCLUDED, AT LEAST OVER THE TIME THAT I HAVE BEEN ON COUNCIL, ONE YEAR TODAY. SO I DID START THAT TODAY, OR THIS WEEK, ABOUT THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION. THEY DO HAVE TWO VACANCIES. THEY HAVE SOME ISSUES GOING FORWARD WITH MEETING KWAR QUORUM. THE THING THAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS WHETHER IT'S A SUBCOMMITTEE OR THIS PARTICULAR THING, TALKING ABOUT HAVING A NOMINATION SECRETARY. ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO CAN BE CHOSEN OR ROTATED OR WHATEVER TO KIND OF BE THE PERSON TO FOCUS ON ONE PARTICULAR BOARD, GET THE INFORMATION OUT SO THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS DON'T HAVE TO LOG IN. SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE CUMBERSOME, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE NEW TO THIS, WHICH I STILL KIND OF FEEL. FIGURING OUT WHICH BOARD OR COMMISSION. FIGURING OUT WHAT APPLICANTS THERE ARE. THERE ARE SOME CODE WORDS ABOUT REFERRED OR ANYTHING. WE DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATES ON, HAVE THEY BEEN SEEN? HAVE THEY BEEN ACCEPTED? HAVE THEY BEEN REJECTED? THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN THERE THAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH. THAT WOULD BE A SUBCOMMITTEE OR NOMINATED SECRETARY COULD DO THAT UP FRONT WORK. CITY COUNCIL MEMBER CAN'T BROADCAST AN E-MAIL MESSAGE SHARING DIRECTIONS AND INFORMATION. IT HAS TO BE COPIED BY STAFF. THE QUESTION IS, AND IT'S NOT FOR A DECISION TO BE MADE TONIGHT. BUT FOR ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS TO LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS, SECTION F, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY 1-8. THIS WAS ALL BROUGHT OUT IN THE MESSAGE BOARD. THIS TOPIC IS THERE, THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT IS COPIED IN THE MESSAGE BOARDS. KIND OF REVIEW THAT, GET SOME -- I'D LIKE TO SAY FEED BACK ABOUT WHAT YOU LIKE ABOUT IT, WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE, WHAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE [01:20:01] TO SEE GOING FORWARD. AGAIN, MY GOAL, AS JUST AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE, IS TO GET EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER INVOLVED IN REVIEWING THESE APPLICATIONS. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT HAPPENING. REVIEWING THE APPLICATIONS, BUT ALSO PROVIDING FEED BACK TO THE MESSAGE BOARD SO WE CAN GET SOME UP FRONT STUFF PRIOR TO THE THURSDAY COUNCIL MEETINGS. WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS MEET ON -- PETER WOULD ORGANIZE A MONDAY MEETING, BUT THAT SOMETIMES CAN BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT. YOU HAVE THREE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS AND WE ALSO INCLUDE THE CHAIR. WE HAVE ONE OR TWO CANDIDATES. SO WE'VE GOT TO GET SIX PEOPLE AT A LOCATION ON MONDAY EVENING AND RESERVE TIME SLOTS AT 6, 6:30, 7 AND 7:30. IF WE'RE DOING ANOTHER BOARD, WE HAVE ANOTHER CHAIR AND TWO MORE. SO NOW WE'RE TRYING TO GET ANYWHERE FROM SIX TO NINE PEOPLE AT ONE DAY AT ONE TIME. SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SOMETIMES THAT CAN BE DIFFICULT. ESPECIALLY IF WE'VE GOT -- END OF THE YEAR TERMS ARE EXPIRING ON ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION THE END OF JUNE. WE ALSO HAVE VACANCIES AND ATTRITION. HOW DO WE GO ABOUT DOING THAT? I'M NOT TRYING TO GET THE ANSWER NOW. I THINK IF WE ALL TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PROCEDURE THAT WE HAVE FOR KNOWLEDGE NATION OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. I PERSONALLY WOULD PREFER THAT EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER REVIEW THESE DOCUMENTS OF THEIR APPLICATION AND JUST PICK ONE BOARD, OR SOME CRITICAL BOARDS AT ONE TIME AND JUST DO THOSE, AT LEAST EVERY OTHER COUNCIL MEETING, IF NOT EVERY COUNCIL MEETING. THEN GO TO THE MESSAGE BOARDS AND THEN GET EVERYONE INVOLVED. NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THEM AND YOU CAN COME PREPARED ON THE DIAS AND WE THROW THESE NAMES OUT OR THERE'S A DISCUSSION, HEY, THERE'S FOUR PEOPLE HERE FOR THIS ONE POSITION. WHO DO YOU LIKE? WHO DON'T YOU LIKE? AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I'LL JUST LEAVE IT OPEN TO YOU GUYS TO COMMENT NOW. >> JIM, I WAS GONNA SAY -- I WAS ABOUT TO RING THE BELL. APOLOGIES FOR NOT GETTING ON THE MESSAGE BOARD. THAT MESSAGE DID GO OUT. I FORGOT. I'M HAPPY TO PUT THIS ON THERE. THIS HAS COME UP BEFORE AS SOMEWHAT OF A.OF CONTENTION, WHICH IS WHY I THINK I WAS REMOVED FROM THAT COMMITTEE, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER STORY. YEAH. I'VE ALWAYS AGREED -- I'M NOT A BIG -- I THINK FOR LIMITED ENGAGEMENT, SUBCOMMITTEES HAVE THEIR PURPOSE. THIS IS A LONGSTANDING ON GOING DEAL. SO MY OPINION IS, I DO WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING. MY OPINION IS THAT MAYBE I'M OVERSIMPLIFYING. EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION, WE APPOINT MEMBERS BIANNUALLY UNLESS THERE'S A REASON THAT THEY WOULDN'T MEET QUORUM AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE A SPECIAL CALLED. AGAIN, MY OPINION. I THINK THAT IF WE DID THIS AT A WORK SHOP AND DID THE INTERVIEWS -- AND TO ME, THE INTERVIEWS, THEY SHOULDN'T BE EXTENSIVE. LOOK, WE HAVE YOUR APPLICATION. TELL ME WHY YOU'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR THING. WHY DO YOU WANT TO SERVE? I DON'T KNOW. JUST SEEMS COOL. DO YOU EVEN LIKE PARKS? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT'S GONNA BE THE QUESTION I'M GONNA ASK, RIGHT? TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT. I CAN SEE THE RESUME. I CAN SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. FOR ME IT'S SIMPLE. IF WE DID A BIANNUAL WORK SHOP. SOME PEOPLE IN THE PAST SAID, MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO THAT AND THAT MIGHT PREVENT PEOPLE FROM SERVING. WELL, HOPEFULLY NOT. THEY ARE GOING TO BE PUBLIC SERVANTS. NOT LIKE THEY WON'T BE IN THE PUBLIC. MY OPINION, IF WE INTERVIEW THEM, IT'S A VERY INFORMAL, CASUAL INTERVIEW. I'M NOT GONNA DIG INTO THEIR PERSONAL LIFE. THAT'S NOT WHETHER I LIKE THEM. IT'S WHETHER THEY ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS TOPIC. SO FOR ME, I'M GOOD WITH ALL THAT. THAT'S JUST MY SIMPLE ANSWER. I THINK COUNCIL NOMINATING SECRETARY, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GEARED THAT TO KEEP DOING IT. IF YOU WERE THE GUY WHO FACILITATED THAT, GOT WITH CITY SECRETARY AND MAKE IT ALL HAPPEN AND THEN BOOM WE HAVE A WORK SHOP TWICE A YEAR. UNLESS A QUORUM CAN BE MET AND WE HAVE TO CALL A SPECIAL WORK SHOP. I'M GOOD WITH ALL THAT. I'M HAPPY. TO ME WE NEED TO SIMPLIFY IT. THE SUBCOMMITTEE MAKES IT TOO DIFFICULT. IT IS HARD TO GET THAT MANY PEOPLE TOGETHER. LOOK, WE'RE HERE EVERY OTHER THURSDAY. IF WE JUST KEEP IT THAT WAY, WE'RE ALREADY HERE. I DON'T THINK -- MY OPINION AGAIN. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE -- WE'LL SAY PROBLEMS [01:25:02] -- THAT WE HAD IN THE PAST. JUST BECAUSE I DON'T -- I JUST DON'T FORESEE THAT HAPPENING. I THINK I WAS PART OF THAT PROBLEM, TOO, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS REMOVED. >> I FORGOT TO ADD, I MET ONE ON ONE WITH THE CITY MANAGER. HE HAD SOME SUGGESTIONS. HE HAD SOME -- COUNCIL MEMBER KING HAD SUGGESTIONS. I JUST WANT TO PUT THOSE FOUR THINGS OUT THERE. ONE OF THEM IS HAVING LIKE A STANDING -- I LIKE THE BIANNUAL. THIS IS THE TIME PEOPLE ROLL OFF. HAVING ONE OF THEM HERE END OF MAY, FIRST OF JUNE WHERE WE JUST HAVE PEOPLE COME IN AND HAVE THEIR INTERVIEW, PUT THEIR APPLICATION IN AND WE ALL TALK TO THEM, WHETHER IT'S A SATURDAY OR JUST AN EXTENDED WORK SESSION. >> THE OTHER THING YOU SAID COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE EXEMPT FROM FILLING PROCESSES. I UNDERSTAND THAT CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE TO APPLY FOR AEDC OR WHATEVER. WE APPOINT. >> SO HAVING THAT TWICE A YEAR WOULD BE GOOD. ANOTHER SUGGESTION WAS JUST IT WORKED -- KIND OF WORKED WELL FROM STAFF, NOT STAFF BUT FROM BOARD CHAIRS AND ALSO SUBCOMMITTEE COUNCIL MEMBERS. MAYBE THERE'S A STANDING MEETING ON MONDAY THAT'S RESERVED OR SET ASIDE. WHETHER WE MEET EVERY TIME OR NOT. CITY MANAGER OFFERED THIS UP. STAFF WOULD DO ALL THE INTERVIEW SETUPS AND COMMUNICATIONS. I FROWNED ON PUTTING EXTRA BURDEN ON STAFF WHEN SOME OF THIS WE'VE GOT TO DO ANYWAY. FOURTH ONE ALSO I THINK THIS WAS COUNCIL MEMBER KING HAVING SOME STANDARDIZED QUESTIONS. HE SUGGESTED LOOKING AT HR. SOME OF THIS IS ALREADY ON THE MESSAGE BOARD. DIDN'T GET TO ADD IT ON FOR TODAY. THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS I THINK THE MESSAGE BOARDS CAN FACILITATE, IF COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD, IF YOU CAN ADD THOSE THINGS ON THE MESSAGE BOARD. >> YEP. >> AARON HAS ALREADY. WE ALL CAN CONTRIBUTED TO THAT, SEE HOW IT EVOLVES. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A HUGE TIME CRUNCH RIGHT NOW. WE ARE MISSING ONE PERSON. WE HAVE DAN AND MYSELF ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE. WHETHER WE WANT TO APPOINT A THIRD MEMBER OR LET ME RUN WITH THIS AS NOMINATING, COUNCIL NOMINATING SECRETARY. WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT TO DO. WHATEVER Y'ALL THINK WOULD WORK BEST AT LEAST FOR THE SHORT TERM, NEXT FOUR TO EIGHT WEEKS WHILE WE'RE REFILLING THE TERMED OUT PEOPLE. I THINK ETHICS COMMISSION IS THE ONLY ONE WITH TWO. THERE'S A COUPLE THAT HAVE ONE VAC VACANCY. >> WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL, EVERY SPOT HAD TO PICK THEIR OWN PERSON. SO PARKS PLACED ONE. HAD TO FIGURE IT OUT. OTHER PEOPLE GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS. THE PROBLEM WE HAD THEN, SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS JUST COULD NEVER FIND ANYBODY WHEN THEY ARE OUT IN THE PU LICK TO BE ON THEIR BOARD. SO IT CAME TO THIS. SINCE I HAVE BEEN MAYOR, IT IS AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE THINK I HAVE STACKED THE BOARDS. PETER AND I DON'T GET ALONG AT ALL, YET PETER WAS IN CHARGE OF GETTING IT ALL SET UP. SOMEHOW I MANAGED TO STACK ALL THE BOARDS. I DON'T HAVE ANY INVOLVEMENT IN THIS PROCESS. OTHER THAN MAYBE -- I CAN THINK OF IN SIX YEARS, TWO NAMES WANTED A DISCUSSION. >> IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THE MAYOR CANNOT. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. EVEN THOUGH I CANNOT BE INVOLVED, I WAS ABLE TO STACK EVERYTHING IN MY FAVOR, WHICH HAS WORKED OUT WONDERFULLY. IN SAYING THAT, NORMALLY A NAME GETS BROUGHT UP AND WE SAY OKAY. WE HARDLY HAVE DISCUSSION ON IT. I LOOK AT IT AND -- WE TRIED A NEW WAY. WHY NOT GO BACK TO THE WAY WE HAD BEFORE AND PLACE THREE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR FILLING ALL OF THE PLACE THREE SPOTS. YOU'RE OUT IN THE PUBLIC. THERE'S A LOT OF MEETINGS AND INTERVIEWS. I DON'T KNOW WHY CHAIRS ARE INVOLVED. AT THE END OF THE DAY PLACE THREE IN EVERY COMMISSION I WOULD -- BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LINE OF PEOPLE APPLYING. WE ALWAYS HAVE VACANCIES. AND SO THE PROCESS IS NOT YIELDING MORE APPLICATIONS. TO ME, NOW OF COURSE, FROM MY BENEFIT I MAY GET TO ADD SOMEBODY I WANT INSTEAD OF ALWAYS HEARING OTHER PEOPLE AND GO, WHOEVER YOU SUGGESTED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE WERE THREE PEOPLE WHO APPLIED FOR TWO OPENINGS. TWO ARE IN. SO THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION. THERE'S NEVER ANY DISCUSSION. SO WHY NOT JUST, IF AARON WANTS [01:30:03] TO HAVE CERTAIN PEOPLE ON THRRBG LET HIM HAVE IT ON THERE. SOME CITIES THE MAYOR DOES ALL THE APPOINTMENTS. I DISAGREE WITH THAT PROCESS. BUT YOU GUYS, THERE'S A HUGE PROCESS, A LOT OF MEETING, ORGANIZATION, AND WE HAVE THREE OPENINGS AND ONE APPLICATION SO WHY DID YOU INTERVIEW THE PERSON. IF THEY WANT TO DO IT AND SOMEONE UP HERE KNEW THEM MORE THAN LIKELY, THEN TAKE IT UPON YOURSELF TO INTERVIEW THEM YOURSELF AND APPOINT THEM TO YOUR SPOT. TO ME THAT'S A SIMPLER WAY. WE USED TO DO IT THAT WAY. IT WORKED THAT WAY FOR YEARS. THEN COUNCIL PROTOCOL USED TO BE LIKE TEN PAGES. NOW IT'S LIKE 22 PAGES. AND WE SPEND MORE OF OUR TIME FIGURING OUT HOW TO FILL TWO OPEN VACANCIES THAN WE DO ABOUT READING THE BUDGET AND ALL THAT STUFF. TO ME IT'S RADICAL AND A COMPLETED CHANGE. I DON'T MIND TRYING NEW THINGS BUT WE TRIED THIS FOUR, FIVE YEARS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S BENEFITTING. >> ONE VACANCY -- THREE VACANCIES, I WOULD TAKE IT ON. WHATEVER BOARD OR COMMISSION. WHATEVER PLACE THREE VACANCY IS, I WOULD BE THE ONE THAT'S CHAMPIONING GETTING -- >> IN THE OLD DAYS THERE WAS -- >> IF THERE WERE TWO VACANCIES TODAY, WE'D NEED TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS TO FILL THOSE TWO POSITIONS. >> ONCE WE GET THEM ALL FILLED UP, IF EVERYBODY WANTED TO GO BACK TO THAT WAY, SECRETARY WOULD HAVE EVERYBODY LISTED AS PLACED. I THINK THE MAYOR WAS PLACE SEVEN. YOU HAVE PLACE ONE THROUGH SEVEN. JUST RANDOMLY PUT PEOPLE IN THE POSITIONS. YOU HAVE AN OPENING. WHAT WE WOULD DO, IF COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER HAD A SPOT HE MAY SAY DO YOU KNOW ANYBODY WHO CAN SERVE ON PARKS? ACTUALLY, I DO KNOW SOMEBODY. YOU GOT INFORMATION, I'LL MEET WITH THEM. IT WAS MORE ONE ON ONE. AT THE END OF THE DAY I DON'T CARE WHO YOU BRING TO FILL THE SPOTS THEY HAVE RIGHT TO SERVE. IF THEY WANT TO BE ON THE PARKS BOARD, INTERVIEWING THEM -- LOOK AT THE ISSUES WE HAD. WE HAD A DEI CANDIDATE THAT SOMEONE THOUGHT DID NOT INTERVIEW WELL BECAUSE THEY GET NERVOUS IN PUBLIC. THAT DISQUALIFIES THEM FROM THAT POSITION. FOR ME, I'D SAY, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN IT, YOU HAVE A PASSION FOR IT, I DON'T CARE IF YOU GET NERVOUS IN PUBLIC OR NOT, JOIN. I PUT A PERSON ON PARKS BOARD ONE TIME THAT DID NOT LIKE PARKS. I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD MOVE TO PUT THEM ON THERE SO MAYBE OTHER PEOPLE COULD SEE WHY THERE'S A GROUP OF POPULATION THAT DOESN'T LIKE THE PARKS. >> CAN WE PUT PARKS GUY ON THAT HAD HIS OWN PARKS PLAYGROUND. ALL HE DID WAS DO HIS OWN STUFF. >> HE CAN SEE WHY OTHERS ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT PARKS. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT IT. END OF THE DAY IF YOU WANT TO KEEP SPENDING ALL YOUR FREE TIME INTERVIEWING PEOPLE. >> I DON'T MIND DOING THIS COLLECTIVE COLLABORATIVE THING JUST INITIALLY. WHETHER IT'S A SUBCOMMITTEE, WHETHER DOMINATING SECRETARY, WHETHER IT'S JUST THE ENTIRE BOARD. I DON'T MIND DOING THIS. I WILL SAY IN MY EXPERIENCE WELL OVER 90% OF THE CANDIDATES I DON'T KNOW AT ALL. >> I KNOW THEM. >> I DON'T MIND IF SOMEONE SAYS, DO YOU KNOW A PARKS PERSON OR WHATEVER? I DON'T MIND DOING THIS. I MEAN, I DO THIS ALREADY MYSELF FOR THE PAST YEAR OR SINCE I'VE BEEN ON HERE. >> BUT YOU DROP DEAD TOMORROW AND ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER HAS TO BE THE NOMINATING SECRETARY. HAS TO TAKE THAT ROLE UP. >> DO YOU KNOW SOMETHING I DON'T? >> YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT MORE LONG LASTING. >> ONCE YOU ESTABLISH THE PROCESS THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THE PROCESS CAN EVOLVE. I DON'T HAVE A SET WAY TO DO SOMETHING. THIS WORKED FOR ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL. I COLLECT THE RESUME. I DISTRIBUTE IT TO FOLKS. I INVOLVE THE CHAIR. WE GET THE INFORMATION BACK WITH THE CHAIR. WE JUST DID THIS ON E-MAIL. IT WAS PETER, DAN AND I AND THEN THE CHAIR. WE JUST WOULD E-MAIL BACK AND FORTH WHAT OUR THOUGHTS WERE ON THE CITY ACCOUNT. SO EVERYTHING IS ABOVE BOARD. BUT LOT OF THE STUFF IS ALREADY BEING DONE WHETHER IT'S SIX OF US, SEVEN OF US, FOUR OF US. ONE OF US HAVE TO DO IT. I DON'T MIND SHARING THAT RIGHT NOW. IF THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE WANT TO GO, THAT'S FINE WITH ME. I'M STILL GONNA DO IT FOR MYSELF. >> I'M SORRY I WASN'T ABLE TO NAVIGATE TO YOUR MESSAGE BOARD, JIM. I'LL FIGURE IT OUT. ONE THING I WANT TO ADD, I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER KING, I DID SEE YOUR COMMENT ABOUT GETTING STANDARDIZED QUESTIONS. I THINK THAT'S FAIR. THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DO. MY QUESTION IS, WITH THE STREAM LINING THE PROCESS, ARE WE MAKING IT TOO TIGHT? ARE WE TAKING A LOT OF THAT DECISION MAKING FROM THE PEOPLE ALREADY SERVING ON THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS? [01:35:02] TRY TO ENGAGE THE CHAIR, RIGHT? SHOULD THERE BE SOMEWHERE IN THE PROCESS, SAY YOU ARE THE SECRETARY NOMINATING PERSON, OR NOMINATING SECRETARY, RIGHT? PART OF YOUR PROCESS WOULD BE MEETING WITH THE CHAIR IF THERE IS ONE FOR THAT BOARD OR COMMISSION TO SEE WHAT ARE THEY WORKING ON AND HAVING THAT INVOLVEMENT. IF THESE ARE SITED ZEN RUN BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS FOR PURPOSE OF ALLOWING MORE VOICES TO ADDRESS THEM OR BE PART OF A CONVERSATION ARE WE CUTTING THEM OUT? >> IT'S NOT A NOMINATING SECRETARY. >> THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS HERE. >> THEY AREN'T THE NOMINATING PERSON. COUNCIL, THE WAY I HAVE IT HERE, THE COUNCIL MAKES THE NOMINATION. MAYBE IT SHOULD BE JUST BOARD AND COMMISSION SECRETARY. ONE INDIVIDUAL IS NOT MAKING A NOMINATION. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. >> OKAY. I MISUNDERSTOOD. YOU AOR SAYING MORE LIKE A RECRUITER? >> ALL I AM IS A DISTRIBUTOR. DISTRIBUTING THE INFORMATION, TRYING TO GET EVERYONE INVOLVED, FOCUS ON THE MESSAGE BOARD, KEEP THAT GOING. SEND SOME E-MAILS OUT. COLLABORATE. WHEN I SEND THE E-MAIL OUT, AS I HAVE -- IT'S WHAT I DID. IT WAS A THREE RESUMES FOR THREE CANDIDATES. TWO VACANCIES. I COPIED ALL -- WELL, COPIED ALL COUNCIL OR STAFF, ALL COUNCIL AND THE CHAIR. ME COLLECTING THAT INFORMATION AND PUTTING IT OUT IN A SINGLE E-MAIL THAT WAS KIND OF THE NEXT STEP. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO FORCE ANYTHING ON ANYONE. I AGREE WITH YOU, ONE PERSON OR MAYBE EVEN THREE PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE FORCING THE NOMINATIONS ON THE REST OF US WHEN WE REALLY HAVEN'T DONE A THOROUGH EXAMINATION. AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO FAULT ANYONE. IT'S JUST THE WAY THESE PROTOCOLS ARE. JUST TIME BAND WIDTH FOR ALL OF US. THEN BALANCING THAT WITH CRITICAL NEEDS OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. ETHICS COMMISSION SEVERAL TIMES HAS MISSED QUORUM. >> OKAY. HOW MUCH DO WE PUT ON THEM TO RECRUIT MEMBERS SO THEY CAN -- >> THE BOARD? >> PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY INVOLVED IN THE BOARD. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ETHICS REVIEW. HOW MUCH DO WE PUT ON THEM, PART OF THEIR JOB IS TO RECRUIT MORE PEOPLE. PEOPLE WORK WELL TOGETHER IF THEY WANT TO WORK TOGETHER. MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD TWEAK. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARILY PART OF THIS CONVERSATION BUT MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WILL HELP WITH THE RECRUITMENT PART. WE ALWAYS HAVE VACANCIES. IF WE'RE PUTTING IT ON THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY SERVING, PART OF YOUR ROLE IS YOU'RE ALWAYS RECRUITING, ALWAYS RECRUITING BENCH WARMERS TO SERVE ON YOUR BOARD AND COMMISSIONS. YOU CARE ABOUT THIS, YOU WILL MAKE SURE YOU HAVE APPLICANTS COMING IN. BUT THEN OF COURSE THE COUNCIL WOULD STILL HAVE FINAL SAY. >> I HAVE NO PROBLEM HOWEVER WE RECRUIT. MAYBE IF WE LEAVE IT UP TO EACH BOARD AND COMMISSION TO DECIDE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY WANTS TO MANDATE, SHOULD WE BE ASKING OR REQUIRING BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEMBERS TO RECRUIT REPLACEMENTS? I DON'T KNOW. >> I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT. NOW YOU'RE HAVING THE CHAIR RUNNING AROUND TRYING TO GET THEM APPOINTED. EVERYBODY THINKS I RUN THESE BOARDS. I DON'T EVEN KNOW THESE PEOPLE. IF YOU HAVE A BOARD CHAIR OUT RECRUITING BOARDS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING WHAT WE TASK THEM TO DO. EACH ONE HAS A, I FORGET WHAT YOU CALL IT. A THING TO DO. THIS IS WHAT WE WANT YOUR BOARD DO. ALREADY GOT SOME BOARDS THAT OCCASIONALLY START DOING THEIR OWN THING AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN VISION AND ALL THAT. IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. WE JUST WANT PARKS TO HANDLE THE PARKS INFORMATION AND NOT GO OUT AND HANDLE PLATS. NOT LOOKING THROUGH OTHER POLICIES THAT WE HAVE. THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN THAT THAT IS. WE CAN'T NOT DO INTERVIEWS UNLESS THERE'S A VACANCY. WE HAD SITTING PEOPLE WHO GOT CALLED AND SAID, HEY, WE'RE GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND DIDN'T EVEN GET INTERVIEWED TO BE REAPPOINTED. ONLY TO HAVE OTHER PEOPLE. BEEN CRAZY THINGS LAST FOUR, [01:40:01] FIVE YEARS TO WHERE -- >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GO BACK TO WHAT WE DID IN 2019 AND EACH PLACE APPOINTS THEIR OWN PEOPLE THAT WE TASK THE CITY SECRETARY WITH ASSIGNING RANDOMLY ALL THE POSITIONS TO DIFFERENT PLACES, AND IT BECOME UP TO EACH INDIVIDUAL PLACE ON THE COUNCIL TO KEEP THEIR SPOTS FILLED AND THE BOARD DONE. THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE ALL THIS. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. YOU'RE SAYING -- >> HOLD ON. >> SECOND. >> THAT WAY YOU CAN TALK. >> GO FOR IT. >> THIS WHOLE PROCESS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEN EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION HAD SEVEN PEOPLE ON THAT BOARD. EVERYONE VOTED FOR ONE. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU MEANT. I ACTUALLY LIKE THAT IDEA BECAUSE I THINK IT GETS EVERY ONE OF US INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY TO FIND PEOPLE TO BE ON THESE BOARDS. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING, NOT THE CHAIR. >> NO, NO, NOT THE CHAIR. WE DO THAT ANYWAY. I'M INVOLVED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. I'M ALWAYS HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS. JIM IS, TOO. TO HIS POINT HE IS ALWAYS HAVING CONVERSATIONS ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU MEET PEOPLE TO MAKE A GREAT IMPRESSION. THAT'S LIMITING THE SCOPE IF WE'RE NOT -- IF IT'S JUST SEVEN OF US. IF WE'RE NOT ALSO ALLOWING THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AS PART OF THEIR ROLE AND WORK AND SERVICE IS TO ALSO CONTINUE TO RECRUIT. THEREFORE THERE REALLY IS A BROADER VOICE OF WHAT'S COMING TO THE TABLE. AT THE END OF THE DAY IT WILL BE UP TO COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHO GETS APPOINTED. THEY WILL STILL GO THROUGH THAT VETTING PROCESS. I'M TALKING ABOUT AT THE INITIAL ON SET, HOW DO WE FIND QUALIFIED PEOPLE? HOW DO WE KEEP THE PIPELINE FILLED? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE HAVE A DIVERSE GROUP OF PEOPLE BEING RECRUITED, TO PUT THAT WORD LIKE ITLY, TO WANT TO HAVE INTEREST BECAUSE THEY'RE HEARING IT, WHAT THE WORK IS BOARDS ARE ACTUALLY DOING. >> YEAH. I MEAN, I DON'T LIKE DOING IT AND I PROBABLY WOULDN'T DO IT IF I WAS ON A BOARD. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I THINK FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION YOU MAY HAVE TO PICK SOMEBODY. MAYBE YOU PICKED SOMEBODY. DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD THAT WAS? I HAD A WEEK TO FIND SOMEBODY. YOU WERE SAYING BEFORE, PEOPLE JUST COULDN'T FIND ANYONE. IT'S HARD. BUT IT MADE ME GO OUT THERE AND CONNECT WITH PEOPLE THAT I KNOW SAY, HEY, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED. THAT'S WHY I SAY I LIKE THE IDEA. IT FORCES US TO GO OUT THERE AND MEET THE PEOPLE. EITHER WITHIN OUR NETWORK OR OUTSIDE OF OUR NETWORK TO GO FIND SOMEONE AND SEE IF YOU CAN FIND SOMEONE WHO'S INTERESTED IN THE BOARD. >> MIKE, ON YOUR MOTION, WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING WITH COUNCIL PROTOCOLS RELATED TO THIS? >> THAT IT GETS REVISED TO WHAT IT WAS IN 2019. BASICALLY, BE BROUGHT BACK TO US AGAINST FOR REVIEW TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. TO YOUR POINT, THE BEST WAY TO FILL IS WHEN A PERSON COMPLAINS ABOUT PARKS I ALWAYS SAY, GET ON THERE. >> YOU SOUND LIKE GREAT PERSON. I LEARNED THAT WHEN I WAS SCOUT LEADER. EVERY TIME PARENT COMPLAINED I SAID, YOU SOUND LIKE A PERSON WHO WOULD BE GREAT FOR THIS. THEY EITHER STOPPED COMPLAINING OR GOT INVOLVED. MOST OF THE TIME THEY STOPPED COMPLAINING. A SMALL PERCENT OF TIME THEY WERE LIKE, I WILL GET INVOLVED. THERE'S OUR NEXT LEADER. TO ME THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. FACEBOOK SAY, HERE'S AN APPLICATION. YOU SOUND LIKE A GUY I MAY APPOINT YOU TO WHATEVER THE BOARD IS. >> REPEAT THE MOTION. >> JUST BRING CHANGES BACK TO REVISE COUNCIL PROTOCOL TO DO WHAT WE DID IN 2019. WE'LL HAVE TO DIG UP AN OLD COPY. BUT ESSENTIALLY EACH COUNCIL PLACE MEMBER HAS TO APPOINT THEIR OWN PEOPLE TO THE BOARDS AND WE TASK THE CITY SECRETARY WITH RANDOMLY PUTTING PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT POSITIONS SO THAT IF THIS PASSES AND WE NOW KNOW WHO OUR PEOPLE ARE, WE CAN STAY IN CONTACT WITH THEM AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE BOARD. MAKE THE CHANGE, COME BACK AND LOOK AT THEM. >> WE'RE ALSO RESPONSIBLE IF THAT PERSON DECIDES TO RESIGN OR LEAVE OR WHATEVER. WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR REPLACING THAT PERSON? >> PERSONALLY, I HAD A BETTER GRASP OF WHAT WAS GOING ON. WITH ME HAVING NO INVOLVEMENT, ALTHOUGH IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO STACK THE BOARD WHEN THERE'S NO INVOLVEMENT. BUT I'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. SO IN THE OLD DAYS WHAT I WOULD DO, I WOULD CONSTANTLY MEET WITH THE PEOPLE THAT WERE, I GUESS, MY APPOINTEES AND ASK THEM, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON ON THIS BOARD? LOT OF TIMES I DIDN'T KNOW WHO THEY WERE, BUT THAT ONE MEETING [01:45:04] WHERE THERE WAS A COMPLAINT, THEN IT KIND OF ALLOWED ME -- SOME OF THE PEOPLE I HAVE BECOME REALLY GOOD FRIENDS WITH WERE INITIAL MEETINGS WHERE THEY HAD AN ISSUE WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING ON. ALLOWED ME TO MEET PEOPLE I WOULDN'T NORMALLY HAVE. INSTEAD OF JUST HEARING A COMPLAINT. HEARING A COMPLAINT, I GOT A SPOT FOR YOU. >> WHO WAS THE SECOND? >> PORTERFIELD. >> I WAS. >> COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. >> AYE. >> MAYOR SNYDER. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KING. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS. >> AYE. YOU CAN ALWAYS GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS IF YOU WANT INFORMATION ON ANYBODY. [9.3. Discussion and possible action on the release of memos related to the Williamson County Emergency Services District #3. (Mayor Snyder)] HE'S GONNA DO IT ANYWAY. >> ONES THAT ARE VACANT. >> NEXT ITEM 9.3. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE RELEASE OF MEMOS RELATED TO WILLIAMSON COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT NUMBER 3. I KNOW IT SAYS MEMOS. SO MY MOTION MAY NOT BE ACCURATE. YOU MAY HAVE TO TUG IT OUT. WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR MEMOS, NOT NECESSARILY LEGAL MEMOS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RELEASE EVERY LEGAL MEMO, EVERY E-MAIL, EVERYTHING WE HAVE FROM JANUARY 1ST, 2022 TO JUNE 1ST, 2026 RELATING TO ESD NUMBER 3 INCLUDING THE LETTER FROM CHIEF KERWOOD I BELIEVE IS IN '23 WHERE HE RESCINDED, OR '22 WHERE HE RESCINDED OUR SALES TAX AGREEMENT. THE E-MAIL IN 2023 WHERE COMMISSIONER BOWLES TOLD US ALL THE THINGS THAT HE SAW WRONG WITH ESD3 AND THE LEGAL MEMOS TALKING ABOUT CHAPTER 775, AND ANY E-MAILS WE HAVE REGARDING ANYTHING NOW THAT THE LAND IS UNDER CONTRACT. THAT STUFF WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH EDS, BUT ON THE CITY SIDE, WHATEVER WE GOT. >> WHAT WERE THE DATES? >> JANUARY 1, 2022 TO JUNE 1 -- >> SECOND. >> IT DOES SAY IN YOUR POSTING IT'S ONLY MEMOS. BUT YOU CAN AMEND YOUR MOTION AND SAY IN RELEASING THE MEMOS, RELEASE ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS SUCH AS, AND THEN LIST THAT STUFF. IF YOU WOULD REWORD YOUR MOTION. >> WHAT SHE JUST SAID. >> SO IN RELEASING THE MEMOS, IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE ANY DOCUMENTS RELATING TO E-MAILS, THE CHIEF KERWOOD LETTER, THE E-MAILS FROM COMMISSIONER BOWLES. DID I GET ALL -- [01:50:03] >> YEP. >> DOCUMENTS RELATING TO THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY ESD NUMBER 3. >> THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO. >> I'D LIKE TO FURTHER ADD ONE THING. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE WEBSITE BUT I KNOW WE HAVE A WEBSITE WITH THE Q&A AND SOP INFORMATION. A LINK TO WHERE YOU CAN CLICK THAT AND GO STRAIGHT TO THE DROP BOX OR HOWEVER WE WANT TO PUT IT ALTOGETHER. IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT. >> YES, SIR. >> WHEN WE RELEASE THE LEGAL MEMOS, WE TAKE OFF THE ATTORNEY/CLIENT CONFIDENTIALITY. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE IS SOME PORTION OF OUR WEBSITE WHERE WE PUT THOSE. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS. >> I'D RATHER BE ON THE ESD SITE. >> OKAY. >> IT'S US GETTING MORE HITS THAN THE NEWS RIGHT NOW. >> JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, ON THE E-MAILS, 'CAUSE WE DID HAVE A SIMILAR PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT REQUEST. SO FAR I THINK WE'VE PULLED UP 400 E-MAILS THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH. SO IT MAY TAKE US AWHILE TO DO THIS. >> THAT'S FINE. >> THESE ARE REQUESTED BY WHOM? >> I DON'T KNOW THE REQUESTERS NAME. >> REQUEST OF THE CITY. >> IT WAS PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT REQUEST. >> I KNOW. I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE DOING THE REQUESTING. >> MY POINT IS NOT TO SHAME THE COMMISSIONER FOR HIS POSITION AND HIM CHANGING OR TO SHAME THE CHIEF OR HIS POSITION HE'S TAKEN IN THE PAST. IT'S PEOPLE OUT THERE -- I LOVE BEING CHALLENGED. THEY THINK I'M BLOCKING THE RELEASE OF STUFF. I'M LIKE, LOOK, I'M A VERY OPEN PERSON. I'M NOT GONNA VOTE TO ALLOW THAT CONTRACT FOR LAND THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY NEGOTIATING TO GO OUT. THAT WASN'T WITH US. THAT WAS THE EDC. I HOPE TO BRING THE SAME THING UP ON THEIR SITE NOW THAT IT'S OPEN. YOU GOT THE INFORMATION. YOU CAN HAVE IT. I THINK WHAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA SEE IS THERE'S A HELL OF A LOT OF E-MAILS GOING THROUGH. WHEN CAN YOU MEET? CAN'T MEET FOR 60 DAYS. HEY, WE HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM YOU. IT'S BEEN 90 DAYS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES DOTTY SAID THEY'RE NOT RESPONDING TO OUR E-MAILS. WHEN YOU HAVE ALL THIS, YOU GO, THAT'S NOT A WORKING RELATIONSHIP. THAT'S PART OF THE TRANSPARENCY PART. WE, AS A CITY I WOULD SAY, TOOK THE HIGH ROAD. WE WENT ON A POSITION, WENT A CERTAIN WAY. PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S LED TO THIS DECISION? THEY CAN SIFT THROUGH THESE E MAILS AND THEY SEE FROM CHENEY CONSTANTLY ASKING QUESTIONS. HEY, WHAT ABOUT THIS? 18 MONTH PROCESS. HEY, YOU OWE US $400,000, NOW IT'S $800,000, NOW IT'S $1.4 MILLION. I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM ALL, BUT I DON'T REALLY CARE BECAUSE EVERYBODY CAN SEE THEM BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE ANYTHING WRONG. I THINK WE'VE GONE OUT OF OUR WAY TO BE VERY GOOD PARTNERS AND COLLABORATORS. AND WHEN THERE'S A GUN TO OUR HEAD CONSTANTLY, YANK THE SALES TAX FROM YOU. I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE IT IN E-MAIL, SOME OF THE THREATS MADE TO US ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT OR ELSE. WE'LL ALL READ THEM TOGETHER. LIKE THE EPSTEIN FILES. WE'LL ALL SIFT THROUGH AND HAVE FUN. I'M SURE IT WILL MAKE FOR GREAT DISCUSSION IN THE NEWS. SORRY, ABBY AND YOU GUYS, FOR HAVING TO GO THROUGH AND READ ALL THIS. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD PART OF IT'S NOT JUST THE CONTENT. I HAVEN'T SEEN HARDLY ANY OF THESE. I DO KNOW THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER TWO YEARS. YOU SEE THIS CONSISTENT WILLINGNESS AND THIS CONSISTENT UNWILLINGNESS OR DIFFICULTY OR THIS -- UNRESPONSE. LACK OF RESPONSES. JUST PATTERN OF, I FEEL, ON COUNCIL, THAT IT'S NOT PARTNER THAT'S COMING TO THE TABLE IN GOOD FAITH. GOOD FAITH IS OPENNESS, WILLINGNESS, TRANSPARENT. IF THERE ARE COMMITMENTS, YOU FULFILL THOSE COMMITMENTS. EVEN IF THE AGREEMENT IS SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T COME OUT THE BENEFIT FOR ONE PARTICULAR PARTY IS THAT YOU HONOR THAT AGREEMENT AND YOU FOLLOW THROUGH WITH IT. THAT'S COMING TO THE TABLE AND NEGOTIATING IN GOOD FAITH. I JUST SEE, JUST IN A YEAR, OVER AND OVER, THE LACK OF GOOD FAITH NEGOTIATION TACTICS BY SOME INDIVIDUALS. MAYBE NOT THE ENTITY, MAYBE INDIVIDUALS. MAYBE IT'S THE PARTICULAR ASPECT OR PART OF THE CONTRACT, OR THIS ITEM IN THE CONTRACT OR WHATEVER. IT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO CONDUCT BUSINESS WHEN WE'RE PUTTING -- WHEN ALL OF THE CITIZENS ARE NOT AT RISK, BUT ARE AFFECTED BY THIS. IF WE'RE NOT LOOKING OUT FOR EVERY CITIZEN IN THE CITY, THEN THESE TWO ENTITIES CAN'T GET SOMETHING GOING FORWARD, THEN THERE HAS TO BE SOME ALTERNATIVES. SOMETIMES THEY'RE NUCLEAR. ONE EXTREME, NUCLEAR OPTION OR IT'S LIKE, LET'S -- THIS CAN BE [01:55:05] RUN OVER. NOT USING TAX DOLLARS WISELY. LET'S DOUBLE DIP AND INCREASE OUR TAXATION BETWEEN ALL THE TAXING BODIES. THANK YOU. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE A NOTE ALL OF THIS STUFF RELEASED WILL INCLUDE WHAT WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE HAD ABOUT STANDING UP, OR BUILDING A CITY RUN FIRE STATION. IS THAT RIGHT? >> IT WILL INCLUDE THAT. IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE ALL OF THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION ABOUT -- >> AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE HAD. PEOPLE'S IMPRESSIONS BECAUSE OF HOW IT'S BEEN ROLLED OUT SO FAR IS THAT THERE WAS NO PRIOR DISCUSSION. IT WAS SUDDENLY THROWN OUT THERE AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING. I THINK WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE, WAS THIS DONE PROPERLY? WAS THERE ANY VIOLATIONS OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT? IT'S IMPORTANT WE PUT THOSE QUESTIONS TO REST, IF WE ARE ABLE TO, WITH RELEASING THIS INFORMATION SO IT'S FULL AND COMPLETE AND ALLOW MORE TRANSPARENCY FOR PUBLIC TO SEE, THIS IS WHEN THE CONVERSATIONS WERE HAD. ONE SIDE SAYING THE CONVERSATIONS WERE NOT HAD. OTHERS SAYING THEY WERE. WE JUST WANT TO SEE BLACK AND WHITE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WERE HAD, THAT IT WAS DONE PROPERLY, WHEN THE DISCUSSION. WAS THERE ANY KIND OF FISCAL ANALYSIS? THAT WAS THE VERY FIRST THING I ASKED. HOW MUCH IS THIS GOING TO COST? WHEN DID THAT DISCUSSION HAPPEN? HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE THIS ISN'T GOING TO COST THE CITY LOSS OF OTHER THINGS WE WANT TO INVEST IN? THINGS WE DO APPROVE. WHETHER IT'S QUALITY OF LIFE, CITY SERVICES OR ROADS, THOSE ARE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS. WE WANT TO SEE THAT THAT DUE DILIGENCE WAS DONE. I'M HOPING THAT'S GONNA COME OUT OF THESE CONVERSATIONS AROUND THE CITY RUN FIRE STATION. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY. IS IT GOING TO BE ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING TO PUT THOSE QUESTIONS TO REST. >> IT WILL HAVE NOTHING YOU JUST SAID BECAUSE A PERSON HAS TO BE WILLING TO SEE IT. THERE'S GONNA BE A MEMO, IF THIS APPROVES, WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT CHAPTER 775 AND WHAT YOU DO TO ABSORB ESD, ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE IT DRINK. WHAT I'M SAYING, WE CAN RELEASE EVERYTHING. YOU CAN READ IT ALL BUT GO, THEY DIDN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THERE'S STILL DISCUSSIONS HAD IN THE BACK. I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE'S CERTAIN PEOPLE WHO SPENT FIVE OR SIX YEARS IN THE BACK, READ THIS STUFF, SOMEHOW WALKED OUT AND SAID, WE'VE NEVER TALKED ABOUT THIS. WE'RE NEVER GONNA SOLVE THAT. I'M NOT TRYING TO SOLVE THAT. I'M TRYING TO SOLVE EVERY ESD3 INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS GETS RELEASED. IT IS WHAT IT IS. IT WON'T SOLVE EVERYBODY'S QUESTIONS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THEM SOLVED. THEY JUST WANT TO DO WHAT THEY DO. >> SO I'M HEARING YOU CLEARLY YOU'RE SAYING NOWHERE IN THAT COMMUNICATION IS GOING TO SHOW IT WAS PROPERLY DISCUSSED HAVING A CITY RUN FIRE STATION. >> THAT IS NOT WHAT HE'S SAYING. >> I'M ASKING HIM TO CLARIFY. >> LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TIME PERIOD. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LIST OF DOCUMENTS. WE'RE GOING TO THROW IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC. PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO READ IT. WHEN PEOPLE READ THINGS, THEY'LL HAVE THEIR OWN IMPRESSIONS. LOT OF THESE MEMOS FROM FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION. SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU BRING UP ARE NOT GOING TO BE IN THE MEMOS, BUT IT COULD HAVE POSSIBLY BEEN DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. YOU'LL SEE THE TIME PERIOD ON WHAT WENT ON, WHO WAS NEGOTIATING AND WHAT THE PROCESS WAS. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET. >> AN INTELLIGENT RATIONAL PERSON WILL READ A MEMO ON CHAPTER 775 ABOUT ALL THE OPTIONS THE CITY CAN DO WITH REGARD TO TAKING OVER THE ESD AND EVERYTHING ELSE. A RATIONAL PERSON WILL READ THAT. I WOULD HOPE THEY MUST HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE A LEGAL MEMO WENT OUT DESCRIBING ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS YOU CAN DO WHEN IT COMES TO USD. OTHER PEOPLE WILL GO, I SEE NO PROOF THEY TALKED ABOUT IT. WHAT THE HELL GENERATED THE MEMO? YOU CAN GO THROUGH AND LISTEN TO EVERY EXECUTIVE SESSION AUDIO RECORDING. THAT CANNOT BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC. YOU CAN LISTEN TO THEM AND SEE FOR YOURSELF. WE MET EVERY MEETING ON ESD FOR A PERIOD OF SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS. WE HAD A DISCUSSION IN EXECUTIVE SESSION REGARDING ESD. IT WILL TAKE SOMETIME BUT IT'S PROBABLY WELL WORTH LISTENING TO IT. > >>.POINT OF CLARIFICATION. LEGALLY THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT THE CITY OF HUTTO VIOLATING ANY OPEN RECORDS OR OPEN MEETINGS ACT, IS THAT CORRECT? >> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. >> RIGHT. >> I WAS YOUR ATTORNEY AT ALL OF THESE MEETINGS. I PRESENTED ALL OF THESE MEMOS. YOU ALL KNOW THAT IF YOU EVER [02:00:03] STRAY, I TELL YOU THAT YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT AND TO GET BACK ON TOPIC. THERE'S BEEN NO VIOLATION. >> THE QUESTION THAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT WE DIDN'T DO THIS PROPERLY IS NOT IN QUESTION. LEGALLY, WE DID NOTHING. CORRECT? >> PEOPLE HERE ARE SUGGESTING THAT. >> YEAH, I KNOW. >> I THINK ONCE YOU GET ALL THESE DOCUMENTS, SOMEBODY IS GONNA GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT ALL THE HISTORY AND READ ALL THE E-MAILS. THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION. WE, AS YOUR ATTORNEYS, ARE STRUGGLING WITH HAVING TO GO THROUGH THIS AND FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE PERTAINS TO THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT REQUEST. IT'S A LOT. >> ALSO A BUDGET ITEM. IF IT WAS MY WAY, WE'D RELEASE EVERYTHING. SOON AS WE DO A RESOLUTION, CITY SECRETARY HAD TO SCAN IT RIGHT THEN AND UPLOAD IT. WHATEVER E-MAIL YOU SENT AUTOMATICALLY UPLOADED. WE SPEND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS PROCESSING THIS STUFF BECAUSE SOMEONE DOESN'T LIKE THE WAY A VOTE WENT SO IT MUST BE A VIOLATION BECAUSE HOW ON EARTH COULD SIX PEOPLE THINK THE SAME WAY. DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S FUNNY? WE HAD A 6-0 VOTE, A 6-0 VOTE, A 6-0 VOTE, A 6-0 VOTE, A 6-0 VOTE, A 6-0 PORTERFIELD VOTED NO ON SOMETHING. WE'RE ALL IN CAHOOTS UP HERE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'VE ALL SPOKEN TOGETHER. WE ALL MET AHEAD OF TIME AND SIX OF US ARE IN COLLUSION BECAUSE BY GOD THERE'S NO WAY IN HELL EVERYBODY WILL VOTE THE SAME WAY I VOTE. YOU'RE VOTING WITH ME AND YOU'RE NOT ONE OF MY PUPPETS. SO THE BEST WAY TO FIX ALL OF THIS, WHAT I DID BEFORE. YOU WANT IT, HAVE IT. HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION. I DON'T REALLY CARE. I DIDN'T DO NOTHING WRONG. >> IF YOU WANT THEM TO RELEASE THAT THAT HAS TO BE ON RECORD. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THESE E-MAILS AND MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT RELEASING THEIRS. >> TO COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA AND MAYOR SNYDER, I'M TRYING TO FOCUS. PEOPLE ASK, ARE THESE QUESTIONS GOING TO BE ASKED? THERE'S NO WAY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. HOW SOMEONE INTERPRETS SOMETHING, OR SOMEONE SAYS, WELL, I'M WEARING -- I HAVE NO LEGAL DEGREE, BUT I'M GONNA SAY THIS LEGAL OPINION IS WRONG. >> RIGHT. >> I'VE HAD COUNCIL MEMBERS SAY THAT TO YOU DIRECTLY. YOUR OPINION IS WRONG, UP HERE IN PUBLIC. >> YOU GET AN OPINION FROM AN ATTORNEY AND THEN GET FOUR OTHER OPINIONS. >> I'VE BEEN THAT PERSON. THERE'S A PROCESS. IF ANY COUNCIL MEMBER DISAGREES WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY YOU CAN GO TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND ASK FOR AN OPINION BY THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF TEXAS. >> IF YOU DON'T DO THOSE THINGS YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THIS. >> OUR OPINIONS ARE RECOMMENDATIONS. >> I HAVE DISAGREED WITH YOU BEFORE, RIGHT? >> WITH THE HOPE THAT YOU'LL FOLLOW THE LAW. >> HAVE I NOT GONE TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY? I THINK ON TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS. >> YEAH. >> DID YOU WIN? >> BOTH TIMES. SHE DOESN'T GET MAD. >> AN AG -- >> JUST ANOTHER OPINION. >> THEY VOTED ON NOT INSTRUCTING ME TO DO THE OPINIONS. >> THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. COUNCIL VOTED NOT TO HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY DO IT SO I WENT TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY ANYWAY. >> WE'RE GETTING OFF TOPIC. >> I NEED ONE OF THOSE. >> CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ZEPEDA. >> WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON? >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KING. >> AYE. >> MAYOR SNYDER. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER WARNER. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. >> AYE. >> 6-0 THAT PASSED. [7.1. Presentation of preliminary proposed budget for FY 2026-2027. (James Earp)] THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. THAT BRINGS US TO MOMENT EVERYBODY'S BEEN WAITING FOR IN THE BACK 7.1 PRESENTATION OF THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 AND 2027. MAYBE ALBERTA IS THE ONLY ONE WHO'S BEEN WAITING FOR IT. >> NO, MAYOR, THEY'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR THIS MOMENT. >> MOST EXCITING PART OF MY JOB IS THE BUDGET. SO I'M EXCITED. >> ME, TOO. >> I SAW YOU CRACK A SMILE. WE'LL GLADLY TAKE MORE MONEY FROM YOU. >> REVENUE GENERATOR. >> ALL RIGHT. >> YOU BACK? >> OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. ALBERTA BARRETT FOR THE RECORD. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME FOR US TO [02:05:02] HAVE A PRELIMINARY BUDGET TO COUNCIL IN JUNE SO BEAR WITH US. I THINK WE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB. OKAY. SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT OVERALL THIS EVENING IS THE BUDGET PROCESS AND THE COMMUNITY INPUTS THAT WE RECEIVED. TAXABLE VALUES, PROPERTY TAX RATE, PROPOSED OR ESTIMATED, SALES TAX REVENUE, PERSONNEL, GENERAL FUND, UTILITY FUND, POSSIBILITY OF ADDITION OF THE CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEN THE NEXT STEPS. SO HOW WE GOT HERE. TO KIND OF ALL THESE THINGS WRAP INTO OUR BUDGET. COURSE THE CITY CHARTER, DIRECTOR, OUR FISCAL AND BUGGERY POLICY, WHICH WE LAST UPDATED OCTOBER OF '25. OUR BI ANNUAL COMMUNITY SURVEY. OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION, COMMUNITY WIDE BUDGET PRIORITY SURVEY, PUBLIC BUDGET WORK SHOPS WITH HUTTO CITIZENS UNIVERSITY, CIP REVIEW BY THE PARKS BOARD, PNZ REVIEW OF CIP WHICH WILL HAPPEN NEXT WEEK, JUNE 25TH. WE HAVE RECEIVED PRELIMINARY TAX VALUES FROM WILLIAMSON COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT WHEN WE DID THIS, LAST RECEIVED WAS JUNE 7TH. KEEP IN MIND EVERYTHING IS VERY PRELIMINARY AT THIS TIME. WE WON'T GET OUR CERTIFIED ROLLS WHICH WILL BE THE NEXT STEP. JULY 25TH IS WHEN THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT TO US. INTERNALLY APRIL/MAY TIME FRAME DEPARTMENTS SUBMITTED THEIR BUDGETS. CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE MET WITH EACH DEPARTMENT. WE WENT THROUGH THEIR REQUESTS. WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE CIP REQUEST FIXED ASSET REQUEST. SOMEBODY TAKES CARE OF ME HERE. AND THIS IS JUST SUMMARY OF OUR COMMUNE SURVEY. WHAT THE TOP PRIORITIES WERE FROM OUR CITIZENS. THIS IS OUR GRAPH OF OUR POPULATION. WE'RE STEADILY GROWING ESPECIALLY SINCE AROUND '22. SO THIS NEXT SECTION WE TALK ABOUT TAXABLE VALUES OR PROPERTY TAX RATES, SALES TAX REVENUE. SO THIS CHART SHOWS THE CATEGORIES. THEN SECOND COLUMN IS WHAT OUR PROJECTED CERTIFIED VALUES ARE. THAT IS COMING FROM THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. AGAIN, THEY'RE VERY PRELIMINARY. THOSE PROTESTS ON PROPERTY VALUES ARE STILL ON GOING. SO THOSE ARE CHANGING EVERY DAY, EVERY WEEK WE GET A NEW REPORT. THOSE ARE CONSTANTLY CHANGING. LAST COLUMN IS THE 25 CERTIFIED VALUES WHICH WERE THE FINALS WE RECEIVED IN JULY OF '25 THAT WE'RE OPERATING THIS BUDGET YEAR. AS OF FOR OUR CERTIFIED VALUES, STAFF IS PROJECTING BASICALLY A $6.4 BILLION PROPERTY CERTIFIED VALUE. UNDER PROTEST WE'RE PROJECTING ABOUT $220 MILLION. BUT JUST FOR REFERENCE, AT THE JUNE 7TH PRELIMINARY THE PROTEST NUMBER WAS $1 BILLION. $1.3 BILLION. THAT'S WHERE IT'S GONNA COME DOWN TO. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ESTIMATING. LAST YEAR IT WAS $170 MILLION. TAXABLE VALUE WE'RE PROPOSING RIGHT AROUND $6.1 MILLION, LITTLE LESS. NO NEW REVENUE RATE WOULD BE THE 399627, JUST CALL IT 40 CENTS. VOTER APPROVAL RATE OF ABOUT 43 CENTS. ALL THAT BEING SAID YOUR GENERAL FUND REVENUE ESTIMATED ABOUT $17 MILLION. EACH ONE CENT WILL GENERATE ABOUT $607,000 IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE. >> ALBERTA, I WISH DAN WAS HERE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN FORECASTING WITH PROPERTY VALUES DROPPING THE NO NEW REVENUE RATES WOULD GO UP. FOR YEARS SOME ENTITIES TALK ABOUT, WE REDUCED YOUR RATE BECAUSE VALUES WENT UP THAT CAUSED YOUR TAXES TO GO UP. WE ALWAYS FOUGHT THAT EVERY YEAR KNOWING EVENTUALLY THEY'RE GOING TO GO DOWN. NOW THERE'S AN INSTANCE WHERE THE RATE CAN GO UP BUT YOUR TAXES CAN STAY THE SAME. I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I'VE BEEN UP HERE THAT WE'VE HAD THAT HAPPEN. >> THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT THIS GRAPH SHOWS YOU HERE. THE EXISTING PROPERTY VALUES ARE DROPPING. WHEN THAT HAPPENS, YOUR NO NEW REVENUE RATE BECOMES HIGHER. SO OUR EXISTING VALUES ARE LOWER THAN WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST. THAT'S WHAT SUPPORTS THAT UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR NO NEW REVENUE RATE WILL INCREASE. SALES TAX. SO THE FIRST RED CHART THERE, 25 [02:10:05] ACTUAL WAS ABOUT $11.54 MILLION IN SALES TAX REVENUE. AS CITY MANAGER HAD POINTED OUT EARLIER IN THE MEETING, WE HAD ONE TIME EVENTS, ONE TIME PURCHASES, LARGE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT WERE PURCHASED AND THAT PROVIDED US WITH ABOUT $600,000 IN ADDITIONAL SALES TAX REVENUE. THOSE ONE TIME E VENTS WE'RE NOT SEEING THIS YEAR. THAT'S WHY IT'S DOWN ABOUT 4%. WE'RE PROTECTING $11.10 MILLION IN SALES TAX REVENUE THIS YEAR. THEN WE HELD IT VERY MODEST FOR NEXT YEAR AT 3% INCREASE TO 11.430. THAT'S THE NUMBERS WE'VE INCORPORATED THUS FAR. >> ALBERTA THAT'S 3% INCREASE OVER -- >> OVER -- TAKING THAT ONE TIME EVENT OUT, YES. YEAH. TAKING THAT, THOSE ONE TIME EVENTS OUT OF THE PICTURE. TO BE CONSERVATIVE. REALISTIC, REALLY. NOBODY KNOWS WHAT COMES. >> THANK YOU. >> PERSONNEL. SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE 211 APPROVED POSITIONS. WE HAVE 198 FILLED. 13 VACANCIES. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING THREE NEW POSITIONS, 13 RECLASSIFICATIONS AND ONE POSITION THAT'S VACANT IS BEING ELIMINATED. THE THREE POSITIONS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD ARE IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. A MAINTENANCE TECH ONE. IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT FOR A PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS UNIT IN THE STRATEGIC OPERATIONS DEPARTMENT, A STRATEGIC PERFORMANCE ANALYST. SO HERE'S THE RECLASSIFICATION. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THOSE RECLASSIFICATIONS THAT YOU SEE FOR PARKS, STREETS AND DRAINAGE, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND UTILITIES TRIES TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF TURNOVER IN TRYING TO PROVIDE SOME CAREER PROGRESSION FOR SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS IN THOSE DEPARTMENTS. JUST RUNNING THROUGH THESE REAL QUICKLY, WE HAVE TWO IN COMMUNICATIONS. SENIOR MULTIMEDIA SPECIALIST WILL BECOME A MULTIMEDIA MANAGER. THE OTHER POSITION MULTIMEDIA SPECIALIST WHICH WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL DUTIES. SO THEY'LL BE RECLASSED AT A DIFFERENT STEP AT THE SAME GRADE THAT THEY ARE. WE HAVE THREE IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WHICH IS TAKING OUR BUILDING INSPECTORS AND PUTTING THEM INTO A PROGRESSION PLAN. SO YOU'LL HAVE A BUILDING INSPECTOR ONE. A BUILDING INSPECTOR TWO AND A SENIOR BUILDING INSPECTOR. WITHIN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT WE HAVE A COMPLIANCE ACCOUNTANT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO RECLASS TO AN ACCOUNTANT MANAGER. THERE'S TWO IN PARKS AND RECREATION. THERE'S TWO PARKS MAINTENANCE TECHES ONE THAT WILL BECOME TECH TWOS. POLICE WE HAVE A POLICE OFFICER THAT WE WANT TO RECLASSIFY AS A CID CORPORAL. STREET AND DRAINAGE HAS TWO CREW LEADERS WE ARE GOING TO CLASSIFY TO STREET AND DRAINAGE SUPERVISORS. THERE'S TWO IN UTILITIES WHICH ARE UTILITY TECHES WHICH WOULD BECOME UTILITY TECH TWOSYES? >> NEED FOR CLASSIFICATIONS, THERE'S NO SALARY REALTIME CHANGE FROM THE CURRENT TO PROPOSED, CORRECT? I MEAN, IS THERE A SALARY INCREASE? >> YES. THEY'LL HAVE A STEP INCREASE. IT'S ABOUT 2.5%. SOME ARE MORE. JUST DEPENDING ON WHAT THOSE ADDITIONAL DUTIES ARE. BUT THE MINIMUM WOULD BE PROBABLY CLOSE TO 5%. FOR MOST. AT A MINIMUM. >> NEW TITLE GIVE THEM A HIGHER CEILING? >> NOT NECESSARILY. IT'S JUST THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL DUTIES WITH THAT TITLE. SPECIFICALLY FOR FINANCE, THAT POSITION WOULD BECOME HAVING ADDITIONAL SUPERVISORY RESPONSIBILITIES, MORE PEOPLE REPORTING TO THEM. SO FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL DUTIES THEY WOULD HAVE A STEP OR TWO INCREASE. IT'S ACTUALLY 5%. >> HERE'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE -- LET ME BACK UP. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SAID, WE'RE RECLASSIFYING BECAUSE WE'RE GIVING PEOPLE OPPORTUNITY TO, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, GROW AND SUCCEED IN THE CITY. I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT ALL THE ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES ARE GOING TO BE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FEAR IS WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE WHERE WE GIVE PEOPLE PROMOTIONS BECAUSE -- I DON'T WANT TURNOVER TO HAPPEN. BUT WHEN YOU'RE ONLY AT 200 PERSON ENTITY, THERE'S ONLY SO HIGH UP A PERSON CAN GO. SO WE PROMOTE THEM THIS YEAR AND IN THREE YEARS THEY WANT ANOTHER STEP. BUT AT SOME POINT YOU CAN'T BE A BUILDING INSPECTOR SIX, RIGHT? [02:15:03] YOU'RE JUST A BUILDING INSPECTOR. YOU EITHER GOT TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL AND GET MORE TRAINING TO BECOME WHATEVER THE NEXT DEAL IS OR UNFORTUNATELY SOME PEOPLE END UP LEAVING AND THEY GO TO ANOTHER CITY THAT HAS 2000 EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE OPPORTUNITIES. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT JUST PROMOTING PEOPLE TO PROMOTE PEOPLE BECAUSE EVENTUALLY WE END UP WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF SUPERVISORS AND NOBODY DOING THE WORK. ALSO WANT TO MAKE IT KNOWN, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO LEAVE BECAUSE THEY WANT A BE A CITY MANAGER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. YOU CAN ONLY HAVE SO MANY ACM'S IN THE CITY SO YOU HAVE TO GO TO A BIGGER CITY. THEIR ACM'S LEAVE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE A DEPUTY CITY MANAGER OR WHATEVER THE THING IS. SOME HELP ON THAT WOULD BE GREAT. YOU START TALKING ABOUT RAISE INCREASES, I SPENT 18 YEARS IN THE SAME POSITION. >> I WOULD SAY EACH DEPARTMENT THAT WAS REQUESTING RECLASSIFICATION SUBMITTED A REVISED JOB DESCRIPTION WITH THOSE ADDITIONAL DUTIES THAT WENT TO HR FOR REVIEW. THEN TO CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. IT WASN'T TAKEN LIGHTLY, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR REQUEST. I'M SURE WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING FOR THAT. >> THE ONLY THING I WOULD TAKE TIME TO ADD, AND SHE DID POINT IT OUT. BUILDING INSPECTORS, THE PARKS MAINTENANCE TECH AND THE UTILITY TECHES RIGHT NOW ARE EFFECTIVELY, FOR THE MOST PART, THAT'S JUST ONE TIER. YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS, SAY, A UTILITY TECH THAT HAD TO HAVE A CLASS B LICENSE AND NOW HAS A LICENSE BUT ARE STILL A UTILITY TECH. OUR TURNOVER EXCEEDED OUR COMFORT ZONE. WE'RE WELL ABOVE WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER NORMAL TURNOVER. IT HAS BEEN IN THESE POSITIONS AND THE NUMBER ONE EXIT INTERVIEW THING IS BECAUSE, WELL, I GOT HIRED HERE, YOU KNOW, AS AN ENTRY LEVEL, BUT THEN THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE. THERE'S ONE SUPERVISOR AND THAT'S IT, AND THERE'S SIX OR EIGHT OF US. THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME AND THE OTHER, SO I'M GONNA GO HERE AND TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY. SO WE LOOK AT RATIOS. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE LIKE 15 TECH 2'S AND THREE TECH 1'S. WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT EITHER. SO WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT A LOT OF VECTORS OF INFORMATION, NOT JUST PAYING PEOPLE TO HAVE MORE MONEY. THE LAST THING IS THAT THESE POSITIONS ARE NOT APPOINTED. THEY ARE GOING TO BE INTERNALLY OPENED FOR PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR AND COMPETE AGAINST. >> YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS. IF YOU HAVE QUALITY PEOPLE, YOU WANT TO HAVE, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, LIKE A GROWTH, A WAY FOR THEM TO MOVE UP AND STAY. >> LIKE IN THE FIELD, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE A NEW HIRE IN THE FIELD, YOU MIGHT BE PUT ON HAND DIGGING A DITCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR REPAIR. BUT IF YOU'VE GOT SIX YEARS IN, YOU MIGHT BE OPERATING THE BACK HOE. ARGUABLY RIGHT NOW THOSE ARE THE SAME POSITION. ONE HAS A LOT MORE RESPONSIBILITY, THE BACK HOE OPERATOR, THAN THE PERSON WHO IS JUST HAND DIGGING WITH A SHOVEL. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. MAYOR, YOUR POINTS, I ANTICIPATED THAT WOULD BE YOUR POINT. >> AS LONG AS YOU DON'T HAVE BACK HOE OPERATORS DIGGING DITCHES. EVERYBODY'S BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH, HERE, WE HAVE A BUILDING INSPECTOR 1, 2 AND SENIOR BUILDING INSPECTOR. 20 YEARS FROM NOW, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ALL THE EMPLOYEES HAVE 25-YEAR CAREERS WITH HUTTO. IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN BE A CITY ATTORNEY AT SOME POINT. YOU'VE HIT YOUR MAX. ALBERTA, WE CAN CHANGE HER TITLE, BUT THE END OF THE DAY, SHE'S STILL DIRECTOR OF FINANCE. AS LONG AS YOU DON'T HAVE SENIOR BUILDING INSPECTORS DOING BUILDING INSPECTOR WORK. SOME PEOPLE ARE WELL OVER SIX FIGURES. IF THEY'RE DOING $70,000 A YEAR WORK AND GETTING PAID 120 BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, THAT'S A PROBLEM. >> YOUR POINT APPLIES ACTUALLY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR IS NOT A GOOD ONE TO USE FOR THAT. YOUR POINT APPLIES ACROSS THE BOARD. THE GOAL IS NOT TO HAVE EVERY TECH 1 BECOME A TECH 2 AND HAVE NO TECH 1'S. THE GOAL IS, WE HAVE TWO SLOTS THAT ARE TECH 2'S. GRANTED, IF THOSE ARE FILLED, THERE'S NO UPWARDS MOVEMENT. YOU CAN WORK AND BE READY SO IF AND WHEN ONE OF THOSE OPENS UP, [02:20:05] YOU CAN GO INTO IT. BUILDING INSPECTORS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE FOR THEM THERE'S LIKE CATEGORIES OF RESIDENTIAL BUILDING INSPECTION YOU CAN DO. YOU CAN GET FRAMING AND THEN YOU CAN GET PLUMBING AND THEN YOU CAN GET ELECTRICAL. THE BUILDING INSPECTOR THAT CAN DO ALL OF THOSE DEMANDS WAY MORE NONNY THAN A PERSON WHO CAN ONLY DO FRAMING. SO OUR GOAL IN BILL BUILDING INSPECTOR WOULD BE TO HAVE EVERYBODY BE FULLY RESIDENTIAL AND BE A TIER 2. IF YOU GO AND GET COMMERCIAL, THAT MAKES YOU A COMBINATION INSPECTOR. THAT WOULD BE THE INSPECTOR THREE. IF WE COULD HAVE ALL OF OUR FOLKS BE ABLE TO INSPECT EVERYTHING, THAT WOULD BE DESIRABLE. BUT THAT'S UNIQUE TO BUILDING INSPECTION. DOESN'T REALLY APPLY TO THE OTHER POSITIONS. >> I WANT TO ASK SOMETHING. WE'RE NOT JUST PROPOSING NEW TITLES SO PEOPLE CAN STEP UP AND MAKE MORE MONEY. YOU WILL BE TYING THESE TO SKILLS OR KP SOMETHING WHERE TH CAN SHOW THEY'VE MASTERED. THEN THAT PUTS THEM IN POSITION TO MOVE UP BECAUSE THEY HAVE DEMONSTRATABLE STILLS THAT QUALIFY THEM RATHER THAN JUST SAYING, NOW WE HAVE THIS NEW TITLE BUT IT'S TIED TO REAL SKILLS THAT WE NEED AND VALUE WITHIN THE CITY. IS THAT CORRECTING? >> THAT'S CORRECT. AND THIS WILL ALSO BE THE FIRST TIME THAT THESE ARE FILLED THROUGH INTERNAL POSTINGS AND INTERNAL APPLICATIONS. BECAUSE IN THE PAST WHEN WE'VE CREATED LIKE A HIGHER TIERED POSITION, WE'VE GONE EXTERNAL AND HAD OUR PEOPLE COMPETE AGAINST EXTERNAL PEOPLE. WHILE THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE IN DOING THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO WITH THESE. >> INTERNAL ONLY UNTIL THE POSITION IS FILLED AND THEN IT GETS PUBLIC? >> IF THERE'S NO ONE QUALIFIED OR NO ONE APPLIES, WE WILL DISCUSS -- BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ADDING FTE'S. >> OKAY. >> WE'RE RECLASSING. SO IF THERE'S NO ONE QUALIFIED WE WILL NOT IMPLEMENT THE RECLASSIFICATION. >> OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. >> OKAY. SO THE GENERAL FUND. SO THE GENERAL FUND IS PROPOSED WITH A NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE. WE DID INCLUDE EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST ONE STEP INCREASE, WHICH IS ABOUT 2.5%. HEALTH INSURANCE. THAT WAS CAPPED AT 9.9% WHEN WE SIGNED OUR CONTRACT THIS YEAR WITH OUR INSURANCE COMPANY. AND THERE WILL BE NO INCREASE IN PREMIUMS TO EMPLOYEES. WE CONTINUE TO STANDARDIZE OUR CLOTHING, TRAINING AND TRAVEL AMONGST ALL DEPARTMENTS. WE DID INCLUDE AN INCREASE FOR FUEL COST. WE BASED IT ON $3.58 PER GALLON ASSUMPTION. WE DID ALSO CONSOLIDATE OUR SOFTWARE THROUGH ALL DEPARTMENTS IF IT WAS OVER $5,000 IS NOW INCLUDED IN THE IT INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT. WE DID INCLUDE OUR PROPOSAL TO ADD CERTIFICATION PAY FOR NONSWORN EMPLOYEES. AND THAT WILL ADDRESS TURNOVER AND TRY TO HELP RETAIN THOSE EMPLOYEES. WE ALSO INCLUDED NINE VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS. HERE'S A LIST OF THE NINE VEHICLES IN THE GENERAL FUND. THEY RANGE FROM 2007 MODEL TO 2017. THE MAJOR, THERE'S SIX OF THEM THAT ARE WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THOSE ARE PATROL VEHICLES. >> WHO PUT 242,000 MILES ON A POLICE CAR? WHY DIDN'T WE GET THAT ONE LAST YEAR? WHERE IS HE DRIVING TO? I AM GLAD TO SEE US LOOKING AT CHEVY TAHOES. I KNOW THEY'RE NOT ALL-WHEEL DRIVE, BUT I DO REMEMBER THEM BEING CHEAPER. I WANT TO SAY THEY WERE BIGGER AND THERE WERE SOME OTHER BENEFITS TO THEM. >> IT BASICALLY GOES IN CYCLES. YOU TEND TO SEE THAT THE FORDS BECOME IN FAVOR. THEY HAVEN'T UPDATED THEIR MODEL IN AWHILE. THEN THEY LOSE FAVOR. THEN THE TAHOES. THEN IT GOES BACK AND FORTH. I DON'T KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE BUT IT COULD BE THAT ENTERPRISE ONLY ELECTED TO OFFER THE CHEVY TAHOES OFF THEIR OWN STUFF. DOWN SIDE TO ANY NEW POLICE INTERCEPTER IS THAT YOU GENERALLY HAVE TO COMPLETELY REFIT THEM. YOU CAN'T USE LIKE THE CAGE AND STUFF FROM THE OLD VEHICLES. SOME OF THOSE MODELS HAVE HAD [02:25:05] REFRESHING SINCE THEN NASOIT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL. >> THE TAHOE LOOKS TOUGHER THAN THAT FORD THING ANYWAY. >> DEFINITELY BIGGER. GIVES MORE SPACE INTERNALLY. LIKE, IF YOU'VE EVER SAT WHERE AN OFFICER SITS WITH THE COMPUTER PRESSING ON YOU AND YOU DON'T HAVE ALL YOUR GEAR ON AND STUFF, IT'S A LITTLE BIT WIDER. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE STORAGE SPACE IN THE BACK FOR GEAR AND DWI TESTS -- NOT TESTS, BUT THE MEASUREMENTS AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF THAT THEY DO. THEY'LL HAVE ROOM FOR DRONES TO SIT ON TOP SO I CAN HAVE THOSE POP OFF, TOO. >> DOES THE BUDGET ALSO INCLUDE -- SAYING THEY CONSUME MORE GAS, OR LOWER GAS MILEAGE? >> LET'S BE HONEST NONE OF THE POLICE CARS ARE GREAT IN GAS. >> THEY DON'T HIT THE GAS LIGHTLY. WHEN THEY GO, THEY GO. >> IF WE CAN AVERAGE 3.2 MILES TO THE GALLON, WE'RE PRETTY GOOD. >> DOES THE BUDGET ACCOUNT FOR -- >> YES, YES. WE INCLUDED FUEL COSTS ACROSS THE BOARD. >> OKAY. >> OKAY? NOW BY DEPARTMENT. START WITH CITY COUNCIL. WE HAD NO PERSONNEL OR FIXED ASSET REQUESTS. OPERATIONALLY HERE'S SOME KEY POINTS. IT DOESN'T INCLUDE EVERYTHING AS YOU GO THROUGH THESE DEPARTMENTS. FOR CITY COUNCIL WE DID INCLUDE A DOWNTOWN BUSINESS SECURITY REQUEST. WE CONTINUED WITH THE RIDE SHARE PROGRAM AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION WE'LL BE ABLE TO TIE THAT INFORMATION DOWN. WE HAVE FUNDS ALLOCATED FOR THAT. YOUR OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING. ABOUT 370,000. BREAKDOWN IS THERE FOR YOUR VIEW. ALSO PST FUNDING 125,000 WHICH IS LESS THAN WHAT IT'S BEEN. WE HAD A CATCHUP PERIOD. WHEN THAT'S DONE IT WILL BE 125,000 GOING FORWARD. >> THAT OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING THAT'S THAT 370 BASED ON 1%? >> 1%. >> WE CAN DO UP TO 1%. >> CORRECT. >> COOL. >> OKAY? REAL QUICK CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE HAD NO PERSONNEL OR FIXED ASSET REQUEST AND NO MAJOR OPERATIONAL CHANGES. >> GOOD JOB. >> YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT A LOT. NOT TO STEAL ALBERTA'S THUNDER, BUT THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH WAS VERY VIGOROUS. MORE SO EACH YEAR THAT WE DO THIS WE'RE ABLE TO GET MORE AND MORE REFINED IN OUR PROCESS. AND WE WORKED WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO HELP THEM COME TO WHAT THEY ACTUALLY NEEDEDED TO ASK FOR. AND SOME OF THEM EVEN FOUND WAYS TO PAY FOR IT WITHOUT HAVING TO ASK FOR MORE MONEY. SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE NOT GONNA SHOW UP HERE. IF THEY FIGURED OUT THEY COULD CUT THIS TO GET THAT, THEN WE JUST APPROVED THAT BECAUSE IT'S A NET ZERO CHANGE. WE WILL LIST THAT OUT WHEN WE GET FURTHER INTO THE BUDGET PROCESS, BUT FOR THE SUMMARY. YOU'LL GET A NUMBER OF DEPARTMENTS THAT DIDN'T REQUEST ANYTHING BECAUSE WE WENT THROUGH THIS PRETTY IN DEPTH PROCESS AND THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY REQUESTS. >> OKAY. CITY SECRETARY DEPARTMENT THERE WAS NO PERSONNEL OR FIXED ASSET REQUEST. ONE THING WE WANTED TO POINT OUT WAS AN ADDITIONAL ELECTION EXPENSE JUST WITH THE INCREASED COSTS. COMMUNICATIONS. WE HAVE TWO RECLASSES IN PERSONNEL. IN OPERATIONAL THERE WERE NO MAJOR CHANGES THERE. COMMUNITY SERVICES, THERE WAS NO REQUEST FOR PERSONNEL OR FIXED ASSET. WE DO HAVE ONE NEW PROGRAM HIPPOS HELPING HIPPOS. ALSO THE BEWARE SOFTWARE. CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION. THEY REQUESTED TWO POSITIONS. NEW SENIOR CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR AND NEW CIVIL INSPECTOR 1 AS YOU SEE THERE IN RED. THOSE POSITIONS WERE NOT FUNDED AT THIS POINT. OPERATIONAL NONE. NO MAJOR CHANGES THERE. DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, IN THIS DEPARTMENT WE E LIMB NATED ONE VACANT BUILDING INSPECTOR POSITION. HERE WE HAD TO RECLASS TO ALLOW FOR [02:31:10] FINANCE WE HAVE ONE RECLASS POSITION. WE ALSO ASKED FOR FIXED ASET FOR OUR ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORTING SOFTWARE. SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID THIS YEAR. OPERATIONALLY NOTHING MAJOR THERE. NO REQUEST FOR PERSONNEL, FIXED ASSETS OR OPERATION. HUMAN RESOURCES. WE DID INCREASE FUNDING FOR EMPLOYEE TUITION REIMBURSEMENTS. WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THAT PROGRAM AND HOW THAT PROCESS IS. WE ALSO INCLUDED MORE FUNDING FOR EXPANDED SUPERVISORY ACADEMY EXPENSES TRAINING. IN I.T., THE FIXED ASSETS WE'VE INCLUDED ARE CONTINUING WITH OUR COMPUTER REPLACEMENT. THEY DID ASK FOR -- TO HAVE A CORE NETWORK REFRESH IN CITY HALL. THAT WAS NOT FUNDED. OPERATIONALLY WE CONSOLIDATED ALL THE SOFTWARE FROM ALL DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE OVER 5,000 TO I.T. AND INCREASED THE DATA PROTECTION. YES? >> CITY HALL CORE NETWORK REFRESH THAT WAS DENIED, WHAT ARE THE REPERCUSSIONS. >> I'LL TURN IT OVER TO I.T. OR DAVID. >> I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT AS WELL. I WAS GONNA ASK -- >> DAVID REEVES I.T. MANAGER. THIS IS FOR CITY HALL. THIS BUILDING OPENED IN 2019 SO WE'RE ABOUT SEVEN YEARS. THAT'S THE STAGE WHERE YOU STARTED LOOKING AT REFRESH. WE DID REQUEST THAT THIS YEAR WAITING UNTIL NEXT YEAR IS A LEGITIMATE OPTION, I THINK, IN ORDER TO KEEP THE BUDGET LOW, A LITTLE LOWER AND BE ABLE TO DO THINGS IN OTHER AREAS. I DON'T CONSIDER IT CRITICAL AT THIS POINT BUT WE DON'T WANT TO GO TOO MUCH FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE WE START REFRESHING THE NETWORK HERE. IF YOU REMEMBER, WE'VE REFRESHED THE NETWORK AT PD. >> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN REFRESH THE NETWORK? >> THEY CHANGE OUT THE HARDWARE. >> YOU BASICALLY CHANGE OUT ALL THE WI-FI ROUTERS, EVERYTHING THAT'S DRIVING -- >> TAKE THE NONCHINESE ONES AND PUT IN THE -- >> ALL THE SWITCHES AND EVERYTHING THAT RUN THE NETWORK. YOU DO HAVE TO REFRESH THOSE FROM TIME TO TIME. YOU START WITH THE CORE, WHAT THIS WAS, WHICH IS SERVERS AND STORAGE. >> YEAH. >> IS THAT 100,000 OR OVER 1 MILLION. >> IT WAS OVER 100,000. >> IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PHASED IN? ARE THERE CERTAIN AREAS THAT ARE MORE CRITICAL THAT YOU DO IT OVER A ONE OR TWO YEAR PERIOD? >> YOU CAN DO IT IN PHASES. AGAIN, YOU START WITH THE CORE. NOWADAYS SERVERS AND STORAGE ARE ONE THING THAT ARE SCALEABLE. >> I ARRIVED AT, WE NEED TO REPLACE IT. WE NEED TO REPLACE IT ALL AT ONE TIME, BUT IT CAN WAIT A YEAR. THAT'S WHAT I ARRIVED AT. RATHER THAN TRYING TO HAVE IT PHASED IN AND HAVE SOME TECHNOLOGY THAT'S ANTIQUATED AND ANOTHER THAT'S NOT AND SO ON SO FORTH. I DO THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. I JUST DON'T THINK IT NEEDED TO BE DONE THIS YEAR. >> DAVID, ARE WE AT ANY POINTED WHERE WE'RE AT RISK FOR END OF LIFE ON THE HARDWARE? >> NO. IT WAS ABOUT 159,000. >> OKAY. >> THERE ARE NO PARTICULAR ASPECTS -- I KNOW YOU WANT TO LOOK AT A CORE REFRESH. [02:35:04] MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THE ROUTERS OR REPEATERS, ARE THEY SUSCEPTIBLE TO SECURITY PROBLEMS OR HACKING IF THEY'RE ANTIQUATED TECHNOLOGY? >> WE'RE NOT IN DANGER. WHEN WE'VE GOT THE NEW NETWORK -- I'M SORRY. THE NEW INTERNET SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE NOW WITH REDUNDANT SYSTEMS. THAT UPGRADED OUR FIRE WALLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR SECURITY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> THOSE ARE MORE UP TO DATE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> I'M NOT EVEN IN TECH. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU DO TECH WITH YOUR SECURITY CAMERAS. >> OKAY. LIBRARY. THERE WAS NO PERSONNEL OR FIXED ASSETS OPERATIONAL CHANGES. SAME WITH MUNICIPAL COURT. PARKS AND RECREATION. HERE WE HAVE ONE NEW POSITION FOR MAINTENANCE TECH 1. RECLASS OF TWO POSITIONS TO TECH 2'S. WE HAVE CONTINUATION IN THE FIXED ASSET FUND FOR SKID STEER, A CONTINUED LEASE. THE TURF TANK MARKER IS ALSO CONTINUED THIS NEXT YEAR. THAT'S THE LAST YEAR OF THIS LEASE. SO IT WILL BE TOTALLY COMPLETED BY THEN. ALSO UTD CARRY ALL AND RESURFACING OF THE TENNIS COURT. THEY DID ASK FOR A PRESSURE WASHER AND TRAILER AND THAT WAS NOT APPROVED IN THIS. >> TENNIS COURT WASN'T PART OF THAT CHUNK OF CHANGE WE SPENT? >> NO. >> OKAY. >> OPERATIONALLY THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR AN ADDITIONAL SUMMER CAMP THAT HAS NOT BEEN INCLUDED. WE DO HAVE POND MAINTENANCE AND TWO VEHICLES BEING REPLACED IN PARKS. >> JAMES, WE ALWAYS GET TOLD SUMMER CAMPS MAKE MONEY. >> THEY DO NOT. THEY ARE SUBSIDIZED. >> SO YOU COULD HAVE THE SUMMER CAMP REGISTRATION INCREASE AND YOU WOULD DECREASE DEMAND AND THEN IT WOULD BALANCE IT OUT. BUT RIGHT NOW IT IS ABOUT A $30,000, BUT IT DOES GENERATE LIKE 180,000 BUT THEN COST 210,000 TO DO IT. >> I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT. SOMETIMES, I WON'T SAY THE ORGANIZATION, BUT THEY SAY, THIS MAKES MONEY. I ALWAYS HAVE TO REMIND THEM THAT YOU SPENT X TO MAKE Y AND Y IS LESS THAN X SO YOU DIDN'T MAKE MONEY. WHAT YOU DID IS TOOK INS DEBT MONEY, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, AND SPENT THAT. BY SPENDING THAT, THAT GENERATED GENERAL REVENUE MONEY ON THIS SIDE SO YOU HAVE MORE MONEY TO SPEND, BUT YOU SPENT 500,000 TO HAVE 200,000 MORE TO PLAY WITH. >> THERE'S DEFINITELY DEMAND THERE. LAST I CHECKED WITH JEFF THERE WAS LIKE 800 PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST FOR THIS CAMP. THAT WOULD OPEN UP ANOTHER, I THINK IT WAS LIKE ANOTHER 800 OR 1,000 SLOTS TO DO A SECOND ONE. >> IF WE DID THAT, HOW MUCH WOULD THAT COST? >> THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER $30,000 LOSS IF IT FULLY FILLED UP. >> I SAY FOR 30 GRAND IF YOU'VE GOT 800 PEOPLE. WHAT'S IN THE CURRENT SUMMER CAMP? >> I THINK IT'S ABOUT THAT, ISN'T IT, JEFF? >> I DON'T THINK JEFF IS HERE. >> SARA? >> JEFF BURNED OUT. >> NEVER MIND, FORGET IT. JUST JOKING. >> WE DO IT EVERY YEAR. WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT COUPLE YEARS AGO. SOON AS IT OPENS UP, WE'RE ON IT. >> I WOULD SAY WE SHOULD STRONGLY LOOK AT DOING THAT. >> I AGREE. >> I WAS GOING OFF WHAT COUNCIL DIRECTED. IF THE PROGRAM DOESN'T MAKE ITS EXPENSE, YOU DON'T APPROVE IT SO I DENIED IT BASED OFF THAT. >> THAT'S GOOD. AT LEAST WE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION. WE STILL NEED TO HAVE THE WHOLE CONVERSATION AGAIN. >> SURE. >> CAN WE LOOK AT IF THERE'S ANY POSSIBILITY ON THE FEE? IT'S SUPER COMPETITIVE. >> YES, YOU CAN INCREASE THE FEE. THERE IS SOME APPETITE TO BE ABLE TO ACCEPT A FEE INCREASE. JEFF DID DO A POLL OF THE PEOPLE WHO USE SUMMER CAMP AND SAID, HEY, WOULD YOU STILL USE SUMMER CAMP IF IT WENT UP 15 BUCKS A WEEK, OR TEN BUCKS A WEEK OR WHATEVER? THAT WOULD CLOSE THE DELTA. IT WOULDN'T ERASE IT. I INTERPRETED IT ADDS THAT THE COMMUNITY, THE COUNCIL, HAD MADE THE DECISION THAT WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE KIDS OF HUTTO TO BE IN THE SUMMER CAMPS AND WE'RE WILLING TO SUBSIDIZE THAT HAVEN'T PUSHED THEM TO CLOSE THE GAP ON THE ONE THAT EXISTS BUT WHEN THE NEW ONE WAS ASKED I DID [02:40:05] IT BASED OFF OF COUNCIL'S DIRECTION WAS. >> IS THERE ANOTHER PROBLEM IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY JEFF WAS SAYING THAT SPACE IS AN ISSUE BECAUSE WE'RE BASICALLY GETTING THE SPACE FROM ISD AND THEY WERE GETTING ENOUGH OF THAT SPACE AND THEY HAD TO REDUCE IT OR HAD TO HAVE SEPARATE LOCATIONS. >> THEY HAD TO HAVE SEPARATE LOCATIONS BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF ATTENDEES TOO. SO AN ADDITIONAL SUMMER CAMP WOULD EFFECTIVELY ADD ANOTHER LOC LOCATION. WE'D HIRE MORE TEMPORARY -- THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT TERM, WE'D HIRE FOR SUMMER SEASONAL POSITIONS AND THAT'S PREDOMINANTLY THE YOUTH OF HUTTO AND SURROUNDING AREA. NOT EVERYONE WHO WORKS IN THE SUMMER CAMPS ARE FROM HE-- HUTT BUT MOST OF THEM ARE. >> IS THERE ANY WAY TO REDUCE THE COST OF THE CAMPS. >> NOT REALLY. >> IT'S ALREADY -- >> REALLY WHAT THE COSTS ARE PREDOMINANTLY FOR ARE FOR THE STAFF AND FILL TRIPS AND SINCE WE HAVE THE FILL TRIPS BUILT IN THAT'S ONE OF THE SELLING POINTS OF THE THING. THEY ARE NOT WASTEFUL WITH THEIR DOLLARS THEY ARE VERY FRUGAL WITH THEIR DOLLARS WE'RE JUST NOT SPENDING THE SAME AMOUNT. >> WHAT DOES IT COST A WEEK. >> 185, 200. >> A WEEK. >> HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO OTHER CITIES? IS THAT EXPENSIVE? >> FOR WHAT THEY GET BEFORE TWO YEARS WE USED TO GO TO RED ROCK AND THE KIDS LOVED IT AND PRICE WISE IT WAS ABOUT THE SAME WHEN WE FOUND OUT ABOUT HUTTO WE DID ONE WEEK IN HUTTO AND NATHAN LOVED IT. THIS YEAR WE DID 100% HUTTO NOT EVERY SINGLE WEEK. WE DO A COUPLE OF THINGS THEY DON'T DO IN HUTTO BUT PRICE-WISE THEY ARE SUPER COMPETITIVE. >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE, I MEAN, WHEN I HEAR THAT THERE'S THAT MUCH OF A WAIT LIST THAT TELLS ME ONE OF THE COUPLE OF THINGS. I DON'T WANT TO PRICE PEOPLE OUT THAT NEED IT TOO WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS IF THERE'S A WAY TO -- BASICALLY $20 MORE OVER 1600 PEOPLE IF YOU SAY 800 RIGHT NOW THERE'S 800 MORE THAT WANT TO GO. SO BASICALLY $40 PER PERSON THAT WE'RE SHORT ON. IF YOU RAISED IT SOME AND THEN YOU HAD SCHOLARSHIPS FOR PEOPLE THAT NEED SPACE AND THAT THEN TO ME THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD INCOME IN HUTTO IS 130 GRAND. THEY OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE COST -- I'M NOT SURE WE SHOULD BE SUBSIDIZING IT FOR OLD PEOPLE BUT I DO THINK THERE'S PEOPLE WHO FINANCIALLY COULD GET THE HELP AND THEY COULD GET REDUCED AND THE ONE WHO IS MAKE 200,000 A YEAR WHY ARE THEY GETTING IT SUBSIDIZED. CHARLES SHOULD HAVE TO PAY THE FULL 250,000. HIS KIDS ARE HAVING KIDS. >> IT WAS 160 PER WEEK FOR RESIDENTS AND 185 PER WEEK FOR NONRESIDENTS. >> SO I WOULD LIKE AT IT, IF I WAS YOU GUYS I WOULD DO A LITTLE BIT OF WORK AND GO IF IT'S 160 AND THAT'S SUBSIDIZED, WHY ARE WE SUBSIDIZING EVERYBODY. THE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD IT AND YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE SOME RIGOUR ROUSE FINANCIAL AID DEAL LIKE THE YMCA AND TO ME IF I HAVE THE WAIT LIST HOW MANY PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE CITY ARE TAKING OUR CITY SLOTS AND IF THEY ARE ONLY PAYING $20 MORE MAYBE THEY CAUGHT TO BE PAYING 75 DOLLARS MORE. AGAIN WHY ARE WE SUBSIDIZING NON-HUTTO PEOPLE COME HERE. >> STAFF IS TELLING ME JEFF CALCULATED AT 184 DOLLARS IT BREAKS EVEN THAT'S WHY THE OUT-OF-CITY WAS SET AT 185. SO THAT WAY THEY ARE BASICALLY PAYING THEIR FULL FREIGHT AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE CITY ARE GETTING IT SUBSIDIZED AT ABOUT $25 PER WEEK. >> BY THEM COMING HERE AND PAYING THE ACTUAL COSTS, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO SERVE ALL THE HUTTO PEOPLE. >> YEAH, UNDERSTOOD. >> IF YOU INCREASED ALL THE RELATES BY $20 YOU EFFECTIVELY WOULD BE DOING THAT. >> I DIDN'T INCREASE CITY ONE. BY 50 OR $75 TO WHERE IT'S OKAY. I MEAN. [02:45:08] >> ESPECIALLY IF THE MAJORITY OF THE WAIT LIST IS HUTTO. >> YEAH, THAT I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TOO BUT I COULD SEE THAT FOR EVERY OUT OF CITY YOU SET THAT MONEY ASIDE INTO THE SCHOLARSHIP COMPONENT AND THEN -- YOU KNOW, SO THEN THERE'S LIKE YOU DON'T WANT TO PRICE THEM OUT TO WHERE THEY DON'T COME AT ALL MAYBE BUT YEAH, YOU TAKE AN EXTRA, 20, $25 OR $30, WHATEVER IT IS PER WEEK PER CHILD AND THEN SET THAT ASIDE AND THEN YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO OFFER SOME SCHOLARSHIP. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT DAYCARE COSTS NOWADAYS. >> IT'S WAY MORE. >> IF YOU'RE PAYING $200 AND YOUR CHILD IS LIKE TAKIEN CARE F FOR A WEEK, I MEAN YOU SAVE MONEY. YOU HAVE TO SAVE MONEY. BUT ANYWAY. JUST SOME THOUGHTS. >> THANK YOU. SO NEXT IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SO HERE WE HAVE ONE NEW POSITION INCLUDED AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT FOR PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS. THEY ARE ACCOUNTED IN THE BROWNISH GOLD IS A POSITION THAT WILL BE ADDED DEPENDING ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT PROPOSAL WHICH WOULD BE A NEW ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT. RECLASS OF A POLICE OFFICER TO CIB CORPORAL AND WE DID INCLUDE IN FIXED ASSETS FITTING COSTS FOR 6 REPLACEMENT VEHICLES. A REQUEST WAS MADE FOR SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM TRANSPORT VAN. THAT REQUEST WAS NOT FUNDED. WE DID INCLUDE CELL PHONE EXTRACTION SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE AND ALSO IN FIXED ASSETS IS THE OPERATIONALLY WE INCLUDED E-CITATION DEVICES WHICH IS GOING TO OFFSET THE COST. AND WE INCREASED THE FEE OR THE EXPENSE FOR THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY DISPATCH SERVICES AND AGAIN WE REPLACED 6 PATROL VEHICLES. >> QUESTION ON THE SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM TRANSPORT VAN. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS NEVER HAD BEFORE. >> CORRECT. THAT'S AN ARMORED VEHICLE. >> THAT'S AN ARMORED VEHICLE. AND SO WHAT ARE WE DOING TO GET BY WITHOUT IT FOR THE SHORT TERM? ARE WE USING SISTER AGENCIES? >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. AND THEN IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BE A NEED AND RIGHT NOW IT'S KIND OF SORT OF A NEED? WHEN DOES THIS BECOME NOT NECESSARILY CRITICAL BUT SOMETHING THAT'S VERY ADVANTAGEOUS FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT? YEAR AWAY? TWO YEARS AWAY? >> I WOULD SAY THAT YOU END UP FUNDING AN RMERRED VEHICLE FOR TRANSPORTING FOR SQUAD OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, SRT IS EFFECTIVELY SWAT. GENERALLY SPEAKING YOU DO THAT WHATEVER YOU'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT REPLACING YOUR INNER SCEPTERS AND E-CITATION DEVICES. IF YOUR MONEY IS TIGHT YOU DOND FUND AN AMERED VEHICLE. IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL REVENUES COME IN OR YOU KNOW THERE'S SOME UNIQUE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND YOU HAVE EXTRA MONEY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO PLACE SOMEWHERE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD SPEND THAT MONEY ON. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NEVER A NEED. I'M JUST SAYING THAT -- YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING IT'S NOT WHAT YOU WOULD PRIORITIZE OVER THE OTHERS. THEY DO HAVE A VAN NOW THAT THEY USE TO MOVE THEIR GEAR AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, ON SITE. IT'S JUST THAT IT'S NOT -- THEY ARE NOT PROTECTED FROM BALLISTICS AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. >> SO WHAT'S THE BALL PARK TICKET ITEM FOR THIS? AND AS LONG AS THEY ARE SAFE AND SOUND AND COSTLY, ARE USED VEHICLES AVAILABLE? WHAT'S THE COST OF A NEW ONE AND IS USED AN OPTION? >> THEY CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THE REQUEST PRICE WAS. >> 67, 344. >> OH, OKAY. I KNOW THIS, NOT TO PICK ON A CHEAP -- THERE'S A BOTTLED WATER CHARGE COMING FROM A PRIVATE SUPPLIER I THINK IF WE SWITCHED TO COSTCO WE COULD MAKE UP A CHUNK OF THAT MONEY RIGHT THERE. >> IS THAT ONE ARMORED? YEAH, THAT'S NOT THE PRICE OF THE ARMORED ONES. THOSE ARE OVER 100,000. >> WE COULD SWITCH TO KIRKLAND. >> 185,000. >> JUST CURIOUS. >> IF IT'S 67 I'M GOING TO [02:50:01] RETRADE MY DEAL AND YOU'RE GETTING AN AMERED VEHICLE. I'M GOING TO GET AN ARMORED VEHICLES. WE'RE ALL GOING TO GET ARMORED VEHICLES. >> TO COUNCIL LOR'S POINT IF WE KNOW WHAT THE VALUE IS AND THAT COST IS FOR MY QUESTION HOW MANY TIMES DID WE DISPATCH ONE TO W WIL WILLIAMSON COUNTY. HOW MANY TIMES WOULD WE DISPATCH IT AND THOSE ARE KIND OF IMPORTANT BECAUSE TO ME THE NEED IS WE SET A THRESHOLD AND YOU DON'T WANT TO DISPATCH EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU'RE GOING IN BECAUSE SOME GUY IS BEING ZPUED. >> LIKE ROLLING THE FIRE TRUCK EVERY TIME. >> SO YEAH WE EVERY TIME THERE'S A FIRE TRUCK ON THE HIGHWAY OR THE SPIDER. >> SCORPIONS ARE DIFFERENT. THAT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE. BUT THE LADDER TRUCK GOING TO HAVING A FLAT TIRE. >> OUR CALLS ARE GOING OUT AND WE HAD WILLIAMSON COUNTY HERE FIVE TIMES ONE MONTH WHATEVER WE SET THE THRESHOLD AND WHEN CALLS ARE HITTING IT WE GO OUT AND PURCHASE IT UNTTIL THEN I DON'T WANT TO OWN ONE BUT IT'S AT EVENTS WHERE KIDS ARE CLIMBING. PROBABLY VERY EXPENSIVE AND COULD HAVE USED A LOT. >> THEY ARE EXPENSIVE AND WHEN YOU NEED IT, YOU NEED IT. BUT YOU GENERALLY DON'T NEED IT A LOT. >> AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT THE OFFICERS IN DANGER. >> TO MAYOR'S POINT, WHAT IS THE NEED? HOW OFTEN DO WE USE IT BUT I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT RESPONSE TIME. SO I KNOW IT'S HYPOTHETICAL BUT LET'S SAY A DOZEN TIMES PROBABLY MORE THAN THAT BUT THIS TIMES A DOZEN TIMES ONCE A MONTH YOU NEED SRT VEHICLES AND SO ARE YOU WAITING 10 MINUTES BECAUSE IT'S COMING OUT OF WILCO OR TRAVIS COUNTY OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE HERE THE PROBLEM IS GETTING THEM WITH YOU ON THE CALL AND ON SITE LIKE AT THE PD IS THAT A 3 A MINUTE RESPONSE TIME IF IT'S YOUR OWN AND 10 MINUTES IF WE'RE USING SISTER AGENCIES. THIS IS ALL MODELLING AND THINGS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT BUT THAT SHOULD WEIGH INTO THE PRIORITY OF WHEN WE CALL THE TRIGGER AND THEN ALSO CAN WE HAVE SOMETHING USED IN THE INTERIM UNTIL -- YOU KNOW, A USED VEHICLE 1-3 YEARS. >> SOMETIMES THEY CAN GET THEM THROUGH THE MILITARY PROGRAM. SOMETIMES THEY CAN FIND SOMETHING THAT'S USED BUT. >> IT'S A CONSIDERATION. >> GENERALLY SPEAKING IF YOU HAVE AN ARMORED VEHICLE AND YOU'RE GETTING RID OF IT, THERE'S USUALLY GOOD REASON YOU'RE GETTING RID OF IT. >> AGAIN. >> HERE'S WHAT I WILL SAY, Y'ALL ARE ASKING VERY GOOD QUESTIONS AND SURE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR Y'ALL TO FOLLOW-UP AND ASK THE STAFF THESE SORTS OF THINGS BUT KNOW THAT WE LOOKED AT ALL THE DATA. WE LOOKED AT ALL THE REQUESTS AND THE BACKUP INFORMATION AND WE SAID YEAH, WE SEE IT BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, ARGUABLY AT ONE OF THE SCENARIOS IS WHATENEVER WE D A BARRICADED PERSON -- THIS IS THE STORY, BAR BARRICADED PERSON WITH A GUN IN A HOUSE AND THEY HAD TO PUT IN A CALL AND WAIT FOR THE 10 MINUTES FOR THE VEHICLE TO ARRIVE. SO THAT IS ACTUALLY TRUE AND IT DOES HAPPEN. BUT DOES IT HAPPEN 7 TIMES A WEEK? NO, IT DOES NOT. >> HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE THE GREAT DEMAND. BUT I GO WITH WHAT PD MODELLING AND YOU GUYS RECOMMEND. >> SURE. >> THANK YOU, CHIEF. >> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD ON THIS IS THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY DISPATCH SERVICE FEE. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK. >> AS YOU'RE DOING THE POLICE STATION ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LIC LICENSED NAME BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE LICENSE AND ABILITY TO GET THE LICENSE TO TAKE OVER 911. HOW MUCH IS THIS FEE BECAUSE OF NATURAL CALL PROGRESSION. >> IT'S ABOUT 99,000, ALMOST 100 >> SO ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF NOW. >> IT'S 1.3. >> ALL RIGHT. A WHILE BACK I ASKED -- >> 1.3 NOW? >> WELL IT'S GOING TO 1.3. >> WHAT IS IT NOW. >> I CAN TELL YOU, HANG ON. >> SHE'S LOOKING IT UP, I ASKED. I FORGET THE NUMBERS HOW MANY TIMES WE HAD OUT OF CITY SERVICE CALLS ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS TALKING TO THE JUDGE ABOUT THEY HAVE A HARD TIME TELLING THE DEPUTIES, I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE MORE POLICE OFFICERS ON THE STREET BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO HAVE AN ISSUE MORE BODIES IS BETTER. YOU CAN ONLY HAVE SO MANY IN THE CITY LIMITS AND ONE OF THE IDEAS I WAS APPROACHING WITH THEM IS WHAT IF INSTEAD OF THE COUNTY CHARGES FOR ALL THIS 911 FEE [02:55:01] THAT WE INSTEAD TOOK OVER OR LOOKED AT TAKING OVER ETJ FOR POLICE SERVICE KNOWING THAT IN A FEW YEARS WE HAVE A MAJOR MUD THAT COULD BECOME OURS GO AHEAD AND DOING THE PETROLEUM. MORE OFFICERS IN THE CITY AND THEN THEY ARE HITTING THE ETJ INSTEAD OF CHARGING THE MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS SINCE THEY ARE HAVING STAFFING ISSUES WE CAN TAKE SOME OF THAT. >> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. AND IT OCCURS TO ME THAT THE CHIEF WAS PREPARED TO SPEAK AND I DIDN'T REALLY GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TOO. SO I WANT TO GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP AND SPEAK, YOU KNOW, ALL THE STAFF ARE BACK THERE THEY'VE BEEN HERE ALL THIS STAFF. CHIEF, WHY DON'T YOU COME BACK UP HERE YOU CAN EITHER SAY DITTO CITY MANAGER GOT IT ALL RIGHT OR THE CHANCE TO BE LIKE YOU GOT IT WRONG. >> A MILLION 3-45. >> JEFF, HEAD OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I JUST WANTED TO COME AND ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD THAT STILL REMAINED REGARDING THE SRT REQUEST AND PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATIONS ON SOME AREAS THAT YOU STILL MAY HAVE CURIOSITIES. >> WHAT I SAID EARLIER. SO FROM A TACTICAL STANDPOINT, AND ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF STRATEGY I MEAN, AGAIN YOU KNOW CRIME INCREASED AND FLATTENS OUT IN SOME AREAS BUT WAXES AND WANES AND WE'VE BEEN LUCKY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE LEADERSHIP THAT HAS BEEN PRETTY FLAT. SO WHAT I'M THINKING -- WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS WHEN DO YOU THINK -- AGAIN, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER IT WITH SPECIFIC DATA BUT LOOK AT YOUR HISTORY OF SRT NEEDS AND THE PARTNERSHIP WITH SISTER AGENCIES AND THEN REALIZING THAT SOMETIMES YOU CAN HAVE A 10 MINUTE MAYBE LONGER PLUS YOU HAVE A RAILROAD TRACK SO ONE OF THESE CON TTINGENCIES THAT YOU FEEL AND LEADERSHIP FEEL WHEN IS AN SRT VEHICLE ON SITE OWNED BY THE CITY, WHEN DO YOU SEE THAT BEING -- NOT CRITICAL BUT SOMETHING THAT IS A STRONG NEED. I DON'T WANT TO WAIT TO CRITICAL, BUT A STRONG NEED. WHAT IS YOUR TIME FRAME FOR THAT ON A MASTER PLAN. >> YES, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION AND I WILL PREFACE IT THAT WE DID LOOK AT WHERE WE WERE AS A CITY AND THE NEEDS AND WE LOOKED AT WHAT WERE THE PRIORITY COMPONENTS THAT WE WANTED TO CONSIDER FOR EXAMPLE LIKE THE 6 VEHICLES VERSES SRT AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WE'RE USING A 2013 KIA SEDONA. PARTNERS ARE COMING FROM GEORGE TOWN OR OTHER AREAS WHERE THEY MAY HAVE BEEN DEPLOYED AND ROUND ROCK THAT ALSO HAS A RESPONSE VEHICLE THAT THEY USE AND THEY WILL RESPOND IF THERE IS A CRITICAL INCIDENT HERE SO WE HAVE THE TIME THAT IT TAKES FOR THEM TO GATHER THEIR TEAM, GATHER THEIR VEHICLE AND DEPLOY HERE SO YOU GOT THAT TIME WAITING. WE HAVE AN EVENT A FEW WEEKS AGO U.S. MASH SHALLS IN THE AREA OR PERSON THAT WE WANTED WITH A CAPITAL MURDER WARRANT AND OUR SRT TEAM, HAD -- WE HAD TO WAIT OR WE HAD TO ASSIST OR WE HAD TO WAIT FOR WILLIAMSON COUNTY TO COME IN AND PROVIDE THE O OVERWATCH FOR US SO WE CAN GO IN AND DEPLOY. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SRT VEHICLES AND THE SRT RESPONSES, I DON'T THINK THE PAST IS A GREAT PRE PREDICTOR IN THIS SITUATION BECAUSE CRITICAL INCIDENTS ARE SO UNPREDICTABLE AND YOU GOT A COMMUNITY THAT'S GROWING, DALLAS PD FOR EXAMPLE, MURDER IN DALLAS IS TRAGIC JUST AS IT IS HERE BUT WE ARE NOT A CITY THAT'S 2500 PEOPLE ANYMORE. SO THE PREDICTORS ARE WITH THE INCREASED GROWTH, THE INCREASED LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE CRITICAL INCIDENTS. AND THAT'S WHY OUR OFFICERS TRAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DID MAKE THE REQUEST BUT WE KNOW THE CHALLENGES AND LIMITATION THAT IS WE CURRENTLY HAVE SO WE DO WITH WHAT WE CAN UNTIL WE CAN DO BETTER. ONE OF THE VALUE PIECES THAT COME WITH THAT IS YOUR EQUIPMENT IS ALREADY SELF CONTAINED INTO THAT VEHICLE SO WHEN OFFICERS ARRIVE THEY ARE GETTING INTO THAT VEHICLE AND DEPLOYING TO THE SCENE INSTEAD OF COMING IN MULTIPLE VEHICLES AND LAYING THEIR EQUIPMENT OUT, PREPPING AND GETTING INTO THAT VEHICLE TO DEPLOY. [03:00:01] SO THERE ARE BENEFITS TO THAT VEHICLE AND THAT'S WHY WE KEEP MAKING THE QUU REQUEST BUT WE ALSO KNOW THE LIMITATIONS AND WE KNOW WHEN YOU PRIORITIZE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO ASK FOR, IT'S A TOUGH DECISION. YOU KNOW WHEN YOU NEED BOTH YOU ASK FOR -- YOU ASK FOR WHAT YOU NEED AND YOU TAKE WHAT YOU CAN UNTIL YOU CAN GET TO ANOTHER LEVEL TO COMPLETE THE REQUESTS AND THE NEEDS THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS. >> CHIEF, COUNCIL, I JUST WANT TO INTERRUPT REAL QUICK, SO THE FINANCE TEAM BACK THERE HAS TOLD ME THAT THEY ACTUALLY CHECKED AND WE CAN PUT THIS THROUGH THE ENTERPRISE PROGRAM AND BASICALLY SPREAD PAYMENTS OUT OVER FIVE YEARS WHICH WOULD DROP IT TO A REQUEST THIS YEAR FROM 185,000 DOWN TO 37,000. AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD CHANGE MY THINKING ABOUT THAT. >> I AGREE. >> NOW WE'RE BACK TO THE WATER, I'M TELLING YEAH. I SAW THAT GUY, THE PLACE OUT OF AUSTIN THAT THE WATER IS COMING FROM. KIRKLAND IS 399 A CASE. >> IT'S NOT ONLY THE VEHICLE ARRIVING HERE, IT'S ALL THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S ALREADY -- I MEAN, HYPOTHETICALLY WORST CASE I MEAN IT CAN BE 25 MINUTES TO QUOTE, UNQUOTE DEPLOY AN SRT AFTER INITIAL REQUEST. SO I GUESS LOOKING AT -- YOU KNOW, AGAIN NOT LOOKING IN THE PAST AND LOOKING IN THE MODEL YOU'RE MODEL -- YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN GOING FORWARD AND LOOKING WHAT THE MODELS SAY IT SEEMS TO BE THAT WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT WHERE AN SRT VEHICLE CAN BE AN IMPORTANT NEED, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET TO CRITICAL THAT END -- IN A YEAR OR TWO I LIKE THE LEASE OPTION AND I WOULD HIGHLY CONSIDER APPROVING AN SRT UNDER THOSE FINANCIAL BREATH. >> THERE IS VALUE IN THE EFFICIENCY OF RESPONSE AND WE KNOW THAT WHEN SECONDS COUNT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE RESPONDING AS QUICKLY AND AS EFFICIENTLY AND AS SAFELY AS POSSIBLE FOR OFFICERS THAT M MR. IRK REFERENCED THE INCIDENT WHERE WE HAD THE BARRICADED INDIVIDUAL. ONE THING THAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN SHARE NOW THIS INDIVIDUAL DIDN'T HAVE JUST ONE WEAPON. THIS INDIVIDUAL HAD WEAPONS PUR PERCHED IN DIFFERENT ROOMS AND DIFFERENT WINDOWS AT DIFFERENT VANTAGE POINTS AND OFFICERS HAD TO BE TACTICAL IN THEIR APPROACH AND DELIBERATE IN STACKING AND ATTEMPTS TO MAKE ENTRY BECAUSE THERE ARE A VARIETY OF CHALLENGES THAT THEY WERE FACING. >> MY PERSONAL -- I WOULD KIND OF LIKE TO RE DIDIRECT STAFF TO BASICALLY LOOK AT AMORTIZING THIS OVER 4 OR 5 YEARS AND GET THIS BACK ON A BUDGET PROPOSAL. >> CHIEF, THIS IDEA I'VE TALKED TO THE JUDGE ABOUT IN TERMS OF IF THERE'S A WAY TO OFFSET EVEN IF WE HAD TO PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE BUT IF WE STARTED PA PATROLLING OUR ETJ AREA MORE OFFICERS AT MIDNIGHT AND DURING THE DAY KNOWING A PATROL NORTH OF TOWN, DOES THAT BOTHER YOU AT ALL IF WE LOOKED AT THAT MORE TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE OFFICERS DURING PEAK PERIODS UG THEM HERE AND OFF PEAK THEY MAY WHEN THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ACTION DOWN HERE THERE MAY BE ETJ GOING THROUGH SIENNA, DOES THAT BOTHER YOU IF YOU FIND A WAY TO OFFSET THAT FOR 911. >> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, MAYOR. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN SPEAKING AND DISCUSSING MORE THERE ARE LOCATIONS THAT COME WITH IT BECAUSE OF THE LOCATIONS AND THE REPORTING FOR JURISDICTIONAL CONCERNS THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES THAT COME WITH THAT, RESPONSE TIMES AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO HOLD THE SCENE AND SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS INSIDE THE CITY IS THAT THE PRIORITY. THERE'S A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO TALK THROUGH AND CONSIDER WITH PROS AND CONS AND I THINK DEFINITELY WORTHY OF DISCUSSION. >> AND 1.1 OR SO MILLION DOLLARS IS GOING TO GET YOU LIKE 4 OFFICERS. DOES THAT INCLUDE VEHICLES? >> YES, THAT INCLUDES VEHICLES. >> WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS MORE OFFICERS ON THE STREETS LIKE AGAIN IF WE HAVE AN ISSUE AT NIGHT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY I HAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO SAY PUBLICLY BUT IF YOU CAN HAVE 2 OR 3 MORE PEOPLE OUT THERE BUT IT'S ACTUALLY BEING PAID FOR IN ESSENCE AN COUNTY AS WE ANNEX AND GROW, WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING ON THEM ANYWAYS. [03:05:05] SOME OF THE MUDS ARE PAYING THE COUNTY AND MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THEM THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THAT SERVICE ESPECIALLY WHEN IN 5 OR 6 YEARS YOU MAY BE INCORPORATED INTO THE CITY LIMITS SO AS SOON AS WE CAN START PLANNING THAT AND INSTEAD OF YOU SAYING WE ALREADY KIND OF EDGED INTO IT THIS. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE COUNTY EXACTLY IT WAS A CONVERSATION IT WASN'T LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING THROUGH B BUT -- >> AND TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, WE HAVE A REALLY STRONG PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR NEIGHBORING AGENCIES AND COUNTY IN SPECIFIC, BECAUSE OF THEIR STAFFING, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN AN INCIDENT OCCURS JUST OUTSIDE OUR CITY AND WE RESPOND TO THOSE CALLS AND WE'LL TYPICALLY HOLD THE SCENE UNTIL THEY CAN GET SOMEWHERE THERE IF THAT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE. SO WE DO HAVE THAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP AND THERE'S SOME FORM OF WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS ALREADY. IT'S JUST WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DOCUMENTING THE REPORTS, ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE THE ARREST AND YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE JURISDICTIONAL CONCERNS AND THAT -- THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO GO AND DO SOME DEEP DIVE DISCUSSIONS. >> ALL RIGHT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> CUTTING 37,000 OUTSIDE OF THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET. >> NOT OUT OF CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET. OUT OF THE WATER BOTTLE BUDGET IT SOUNDED LIKE. >> OKAY. SO THAT PUTS US TO STRATEGIC OPERATIONS. HERE WE HAVE THE ONE NEW POSITION INCLUDED AS PERFORMANCE ANALYST. NOTHING IN OPERATIONAL. STREETS AND DARAINAGE, WE RECLASSED THE TWO CREW LEADERS TO STREET AND DRAINAGE SUPERVISORS. THERE IS A REQUEST FOR A NEW ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE SPECIALIST. THAT POSITION WAS NOT FUNDED. WE'RE CONTINUING WITH THE STREET MAINTENANCE DRUM ROLLER LEASE. LET'S SEE, ALSO THE CRACK SALE EQUIPMENT WE'RE CONTINUING WITH THAT LEASE. BOTH OF THOSE ARE YEAR 2 OUT OF 4. THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A DIGITAL MESSAGE BOARD AND THOSE WERE NOT FUNDED. >> DO WE HAVE A DIGITAL MESSAGE BOARD? >> WE DO. >> SO ONE IN ADDITION. >> THAT WOULD BE A NEW ONE. >> HOW MANY DO WE HAVE NOW. >> GO FROM 3 TO 4. >> WE HAVE 4 RIGHT NOW. >> SO 4-5. >> THIS WAS A REQUEST FOR 4, TWO MORE. >> 4 TO 6. >> HOW MUCH ARE THEY? >> 21,000 A PIECE. 42,000. >> OKAY. >> WE DID NOT FUND THOSE. >> IT'S TOO LATE FOR THAT. I'M A LITTLE SLOW. SORRY. >> THAT WAS FOR CHIEF. >> OPERATIONALLY WE DID INCREASE STREET MAINTENANCE TO 2.2 MILLION. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE UTILITY COSTS INCREASE FOR STREET LIGHTS. SO WITH THAT AS YOU HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU TOTAL REVENUES A LITTLE OVER 37 MILLION WITH EXPENDITURES RIGHT AT 37. SO YOU HAVE AN INCREASE TO YOUR FUND BALANCE OF ABOUT 42,000. JUST SHY OF THAT. OUR ESTIMATED FUND BALANCE FOR SEPTEMBER OF 27 WOULD BE 10.7 MILLION. A 25% RESERVE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE 9.1 HOWEVER BASED ON THESE NUMBERS WE FEEL LIKE YOUR FUND BALANCE WOULD BE AT 29%. >> SO WE'VE BEEN CLOSE TO 30% FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW. >> ACTUALLY OUR AUDIT FOR 930 OF 25 WE WERE AT 33%. >> OKAY, SO GOOD THINGS. >> YEAH. BUT JUST THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED RIGHT HERE WITH WHAT WE HAVE, YOU'RE AT 29. >> EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. SO I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP AN IDEA TO INCREASE REVENUES. I RAN THIS BY THE CITY MANAGER. I DON'T WANT TO GET AWAY FROM THE NO NEW REVENUE IN TERMS OF I DON'T WANT TO RAISE PEOPLE'S TAXES, RESIDENTS, BUT NOW THAT WE'RE GETTING SOME REALLY, REALLY BIG COMMERCIAL THINGS IN T TOWN, I'M FINDING IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT IF WE DO NO NEW REVENUE THEN WE'RE -- IT'S ONE THING TO DROP THE TAXES OF A HOMEOWNER THERE'S ANOTHER WHEN THERE'S A 5 BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY THAT DON'T HAVE THEIR TAXES GO DOWN. NOW WE'RE NOT TALKING LITTLE MONEY. WE'RE TALKING REALLY BIG. SO I WAS TELLING THE CITY MANAGER I WONDERED WHAT THE COUNCIL'S TEMPERATURE I GUESS [03:10:05] WOULD BE ON WHAT IF WE INCREASED THE TAX RATE BUT THEN OFFSET T THAT, ALBERTA WOULD HAVE TO DO A LOT OF WORK BUT OFFSET THAT WITH A HOME SET EXCEPTION SO THE HOMEOWNERS ARE NOT PAYING MORE ON AVERAGE. BUT THE DATA CENTERS, INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS, ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE INCREASING DEMAND ON OUR ON SOME OF OUR SERVICES, THEY ARE PICKING UP THE COMMERCIAL IS PICKING UP MORE OF THE BALANCE. NOW IT WOULD AFFECT RENTERS AND I WOULD ARGUE IF YOU'RE A HOME RENTER GENERALLY YOU'RE MORE TRANSIENT AND YOU ARE COSTING -- THERE'S PROBABLY MORE CALLS THAT I WOULD SAY WOULD HAPPEN AT APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THEN WHAT YOU HAVE IN REGULAR RESIDENTIAL. I DON'T KNOW THE PERCENTAGE DIFFERENCE. >> APARTMENTS FOR SURE BUT APARTMENTS ARE TREATED AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. >> LIKE WE HAVE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WANT TO SAY HALF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS RENTAL PROBABILITY AND PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT OF THERE AND AIR BE AIRBNBS AND THOSE ARE THINGS WE'LL HAVE CALLS TO. THAT'S WHAT I'M PROPOSING I THINK THAT WOULD SOLVE SOME OF THIS STUFF IF WE KEEP DOING NO NEW REVENUE THE DATA CENTERS ARE NOT GOING TO BE KICKING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY. WE COULD BE TALKING MILLIONS. >> ON THAT NOTE, THERE'S A SLIDE AFTER THIS THAT SHOWS YOU THE FIRE SERVICE AND WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO RAISE THE T TAXES. >> WHAT BETTER WAY TO INCREASE. >> REGISTERING BY DELAY. >> MY ONLY FEAR OF THAT IS SOME FUTURE COUNCIL TAKES A VOTE TO RAISE TAXES FIVE OF US HAVE TO VOTE TO RAISE YOUR TAXES BUT IF YOU RAISE TAXES BY 5 AND OFFSET IT BY A HOME SET EXCEPTION THAT ONLY TAKES 4 PEOPLE TO CHANGE THE HOME SET EXCEPTION FIVE YEARS FROM NOW SO THEORETICALLY I ALWAYS HAD THIS THING OF HOMEOWNERS NOT PAYING CITY TAXES WAS A LONG-TERM GOAL AND IF WE DO IT ALL RIGHT IT COULD DO IT DOWN WHERE IT'S DOWN -- IT ONLY TAKES ONE COUNCIL FOR PEOPLE TO GO HEY WE WANT TO RAISE MORE MONEY AND GO SPEND IT WE CHANGE THE HOME SET EXCEPTION FROM 100,000 TO 25 AND LOOK AT ALL THE MONEY WE MADE. >> BECAUSE THE NO NEW REVENUE WOULD BE IMPACTED AS WELL. IF YOU ARE NOW -- >> THAT PART I DON'T KNOW. >> IT CHANGES THE CALCULATION. >> THAT PART, I DON'T KNOW. >> BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM THE SAME POOL OF PROPERTIES. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DATA CENTERS BUT WHAT ALBBOUT OTHER BUSINESSES. >> AS A BUSINESS OWNER IN HUTTO I WOULD SEE SOMEWHAT OF AN INCREASE ON THAT. BUT I ALSO WOULD SEE SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING I WOULD ALSO SEE A BIG TIME DECREASE IN MY FIRE SERVICE COSTS BECAUSE I WOULD SAY THE D DIME, 10 CENTS GONE RIGHT THERE. I'M NOT SAYING IT HAS TO BE THE FULL INCREASE. BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE STATE IS POTENTIALLY GOING TO PASS SOME LAWS AND IT'S GOING TO REALLY RESTRICT WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF WHAT THOSE CHANGES POTENTIALLY COULD BE TO WHERE YOU COULD STILL DO THE SAME CONCEPT OF NO NEW REVENUE. COMMERCIAL IS STILL GETTING TAX INCREASED EVEN WHEN YOU DO ANOTHER REVENUE BECAUSE PROPERTY VALUES ARE INCREASING AND WE'RE SETTING IT BASED ON AN AVERAGE B BUT. >> YEAH THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHERE MY MIND IS AND YOU KNOW, THE SMALL BUSINESS, SOMEBODY THAT'S RENTING A SPACE THEY ARE GOING TO GO UP BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTY VALUE AND OBVIOUSLY THE LANDLORD IS NOT GOING TO TAKE THE HIT AND THEY ARE GOING TO PASS IT ON AND DO WHATEVER ELSE THEY CAN. >> MY CAM CHARGES LAST YEAR ON THAT SPACE WAS 4,000 DOLLARS INCREASE. >> IF THEY ARE TAXES GO UP THEN THEY ARE GETTING DOUBLE HIT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE 10 CENT, IF WE TAKE OVER FIRE THEN TAXES ARE GOING TO GO UP SOME MAYBE NOT 10 CENT BUT TO SAY THAT THE 10 CENTS GO AWAY TOTALLY THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE A BIT OF AN INCREASE. >> CORRECT, I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE A NET 10 CENT DECREASE. YOU WOULD SEE AN INCREASE. [03:15:06] AND THE IDEA IS THAT THE 10 CENTS COMING OFF AND INCREASE COMING UP WHEREVER THAT DELTA IS IS YOUR SAVINGS. THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IN GEORGE TOWN AND ROUND ROCK. >> IF YOU WENT UP 3 CENTS ON THE CITY AND 43 AND GOT RID OF THE 10 AND YOU HAVE NET SAVINGS OF 7 CENTS. >> YEAH, THAT WOULD BE TRUE IF WE WERE MANNING ANYTHING MORE THAN JUST ONE STATION AND WE'RE NOT. >> RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. >> SO YOU'RE GOING TO END UP NEEDING THE FULL 10 CENTS THAT THEY HAVE BASICALLY COMING TO YOU TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED. >> IT WOULDN'T GO AWAY. WOULDN'T THAT TAKE A VOTE ANYWAY BECAUSE IT WAS A VOTER APPROVED MEASURE OR NO. >> NOT NECESSARILY. I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH I CAN GET INTO AND STAY ON TOPIC, BUT I WILL SAY THIS, IF OUR PROPERTY IS TAKEN OUT OF AN ESD THEN IT WOULD NOT RECEIVE THE PROPERTY TAX. BUT IF YOU TAKE THE FIRE SERVICE AND JUST MOVE THE MANAGEMENT OVER TO THE CITY, THE ESD WOULD STILL EXIST JUST COLLECT THE MONEY, CUT THE CHECK AND GIVE IT TO THE CITY. THAT'S A POSSIBILITY DEPENDING ON HOW ALL THESE THINGS ADVANCE. YEAH THAT'S PROBABLY GOOD ENOUGH. >> AND ALSO -- WITH THIRD PA PARTIES CONTRIBUTING TO ANY FIRE STATION. >> YEAH, ANYTHING YOU WOULD SAVE THAT WE WOULD BUILD NEW IF MONEY CONTRIBUTED TO HELP PAY FOR THAT THEN YES. >> IF THERE'S ANYTHING OUTSIDE THAT OUR SYSTEM WE CAN IN THE STATION, OUTSIDE COMPANIES, THIRD PARTY. >> I THINK HE'S GOING TO SHOW YOU IN AND OUT COSTS. >> OKAY, NEVER MIND. YEAH LET'S GET INTO THE NEXT ONE. >> THAT COMES AFTER THE UTILITY FUND. >> OKAY. >> OKAY, I'LL RUSH THROUGH THIS, HOW'S THAT. SO PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IS THE SAME HERE. OF COURSE, THIS BUDGET IS BASED ON NO INCREASE TO UTILITY RATES. STILL FOR ALL EMPLOYEES IN UTILITY FUND THEY HAVE A ONE STEP INCREASE TO 2.5% SAME WITH INSURANCE KEPT AT 99 -- 9.9. INCREASED FUEL COSTS AND CERTIFICATION PAY AND TWO VEHICLES REPLACED IN THE UTILITY FUND AND WE ALSO ACCOUNTED FOR A FULL YEAR OF RECHARGE EXPENSE. SO HERE'S THE TWO VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE REPLACED. ONE IN THE UTILITY BILLING AREA AND ONE IN UTILITY PUBLIC WORKS. >> VEHICLES HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING? >> IT HAS MAJOR REOCCURRING MAINTENANCE ISSUES. SO AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S FAIRLY NEW BUT IN THE MILEAGE IS LOW BUT IT HAS A LOT OF MAINTENANCE ISSUES. >> THE MILEAGE IS LOW BECAUSE IT KEEPS BREAKING DOWN AND IT'S IN THE SHOP AND WE CAN'T USE IT. IT'S BASICALLY KIND OF LIKE A LEMON BUT IT DUNT DIDN'T GET LEMONED BY THE LAW IS WE'RE NEEDING TO REPLACE IT. >> YEAH. FOR PUBLIC WORK ADMINISTRATION THEY ASKED FOR A NEW ADA OFFICE TR TRAILER THAT WAS NOT FUNDED. UTILITY BILLING THERE WAS NO PERSONNEL OR FIXED ASSET REQUEST OPERATIONALLY WE INCREASED METER END POINTS AND WE ALSO FIGURED OUT IN THE COMPLETION OF METER REPLACEMENTS CONTRACTED OUT THAT ARE BEING REPLACED AND ONE VEHICLE THAT HAS A LOT OF MAINTENANCE ISSUES. UTILITIES, PERSONNEL AND FIXED ASSETS. IN FIXED ASSETS WE HAVE A FORD F550 WITH A CRANE ON A CONTINUED LEASE AND SEWER CAMERA AND INSPECTION EQUIPMENT ON A LEASE. OPERATIONALLY WE INCREASE THE B BRAZARS RIVER FOR THE TREATMENT OF WASTE WATER PLANT O&M AND ALSO REPLACEMENT OF A GRIT AUGER WHICH IS A CAPITAL OUTLAY WAS ALSO INCLUDED IN OPERATIONAL EXPENSES AND WE INCREASED THE RECHARGE AND HOLD AND CPI ADJUSTMENT THAT WAS INCLUDED AND WE REDUCED THE WATER LEASE PAYMENTS AND ADDED REPLACEMENT OF ONE VEHICLE THERE. SO SUMMARY, REVENUE IN THE UTILITY FUND IS 46.7, EXPENSES ARE JUST SHY OF THAT AT 46 MILLION 702, 268. [03:20:01] SO VERY SMALL INCREASED FUND BALANCE. YOUR ESTIMATED FUND PLANS OF 92037, AND RESERVE REQUIREMENT IS 11.7 BASICALLY AND HERE YOU HAVE A FUND BALANCE ABOUT 33%. SO NOW WHAT WE'RE ALL WAITING FOR, FIRE. SO HERE ON THIS SLIDE IT'S JUST A SUMMARY OF THE EXPENSES AND KEEP IN MIND THIS IS JUST THREE QUARTERS OF A YEAR, STARTING JANUARY. SO PERSONNEL IS ABOUT 1 MILLION, 152. OPERATING COST OF 216,000, CAPITAL OUTLAY FOR PURCHASE OF AN ENGINE WOULD BE ABOUT 200,000. EST ESTIMATED DOLLAR IMPACT IS 1 MILLION. AND THE ESTIMATED PROPERTY TAX RATE INCREASE TO FUND THAT FOR ABOVE IS RIGHT ABOUT 2 AND A HALF CENTS. SO HERE'S JUST A BREAK DOWN OF WHAT WE GOT FOR THOSE EXPENSES ABOVE IN THE SUMMARY. SO WE'D HAVE THREE SHIFTS, TWO FIRE FIGHTERS ON A SHIFT, ONE DRIVER AND ONE LIEUTENANT. WE INCLUDED OVER TIME, INCREASE FOR AN EXISTING DIRECTOR TO OVERSEE THE FIRE SO HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY AS A WHOLE. BENEFITS IN INSURANCE FOR WORKERS COMP. THE CAPITAL OUTLAY OF THE FIRE APPARATUS. HERE'S JUST KIND OF A SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE EXPENSES SO MAINTENANCE, FUEL, NOT ONLY ON THE ENGINES BUT THE FACILITY, UNIFORMS, TRAINING, SOFTWARE, UTILITIES, INSURANCE, AND SO THOSE TOTAL ABOUT 216,000 SO HERE'S THE EFFECT, BASED ON THE SLIDES AT THE BEGINNING, WE SAID THAT WE ARE ESTIMATING OUR NEW NEW REVENUE RATE TO BE RIGHT AT 40 CENTS. THE INCREASED FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BASED ON THE EXPENSES THAT WE JUST PRESENTED IS ABOUT 2 AND A HALF CENTS AND WOULD STATE WE NEED A PROPER TAX RATE AT 42-54, 60. SO 42 AND A HALF CENTS. VOTER APPROVAL RATE WE DISPLAYED AT THE VERY BEGINNING IS RIGHT AT 43 CENT YOU WOULD BE WITHIN THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE JUST SHY BECAUSE THE RATE NEEDED ABOVE IS THAT 42.5 CENTS. >> I TALKED TO CITY MANAGER ABOUT THIS, I KNEW SHORT-TERM THERE WAS INCREASES BUT LONG TERM WHEN ALL THE RETAIL COMES ON BOARD, WHEN WE HAVE LIKE THE -- AND AS YOU EXPAND THIS OUT YOU START THINKING ABOUT THE SPROUTS AND THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING THERE WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT THE MILLIONS THAT ARE COMING IN, IT'S THE -- IT ALWAYS GOES BACK TO THE POTENTIAL LOSS AT ANY POINT IN TIME. SO SOME OF THIS IS -- IN MY MIND, RPREPARATION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY AS IT GROWS OUT AND FOR MORE STABLE ECONOMY OR STABLE BUDGETING PROCESS THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE VERSES NOT ABLE TO HAVE THAT ABILITY. >> OKAY. SO JUST THE LAST SLIDE, JUST LOOKING AT OUR PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, THERE'S 9 9,646 HOME STEAD PROPERTIES, 1,362 PROPERTIES IN THE OVER 65 CATEGORY. SO WHEN YOU ADD THOSE EXE EXEMPTIONS, OF COURSE, THAT WOULD AFFECT OUR CERTIFIED VALUES. ANY EXCEPTION CHANGES HAVE TO BE APPROVED AND SUBMITTED TO THE APPRAISAL ZEAL DISTRICT BY JULYR IT TO BE EFFECTIVE IN THIS TAX YEAR. OTHERWISE IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE NEXT YEAR. OKAY. SO REALLY NEXT STEPS JUST OUR CALENDER AS WE HAVE IT NOW JULY 31ST BY CHARTER WE'RE TO PROVIDE A PROPOSED BUDGET AND HAVE IT ON FILE WITH THE MUNICIPAL CLERK. AND WE HAVE TO HAVE IT DELIVERED TO CITY COUNCIL. AUGUST 1ST WE HAVE SCHEDULED A SATURDAY BUDGET WORKSHOP TO START AT 9 AND THE CITY MANAGER WILL PRESENT OUR FINAL PROPOSED BUDGET. AUGUST 13 COUNCIL MEETING WILL NEED TO DISCUSS THE TAX RATE, TAKE A RECORD VOTE, AND SCHEDULE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THOSE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WE HAVE SCHEDULED ON OUR CALENDER IS SEPTEMBER 3RD WOULD BE OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TO TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET AND THE TAX RATE. THE SECOND MEETING WOULD BE SEPTEMBER 10TH AND AT THAT MEETING WE CAN ADOPT THE BUDGET [03:25:01] AND THE TAX RATE. AND BE EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1. >> ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK COUNCIL TO CONSIDER I'M STRUGGLING TO IDENTIFY THE VALUE OF THE AUGUST 1ST SATURDAY MEETING NOW. BECAUSE GENERALLY SPEAKING THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE KIND OF RAN Y'ALL THROUGH LIKE WHAT WE DID TONIGHT WITH HERE'S WHAT THE CITY MANAGER IS PROPOSING, HERE'S WHAT YOU KNOW WAS ASKED FOR THAT DIDN'T GET FUNDING AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO I'D LIKE SOME VEHFEEDBACK, N RIGHT NOW, BUT I'D LIKE SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT HOW TO BEST USE THAT TIME OR JUST TO NOT HAVE IT, JUST NOT HAVE IT EITHER WAY. WE CAN'T GET YOU THE FULL FINAL PROPOSED BUDGET FASTER THAN JULY 31ST BECAUSE WE WILL NOT GET THE CERTIFIED VALUES UNTIL AROUND THE 25TH AND THEN IT TAKES ABOUT 7 DAYS TO FINISH THE ACTUAL COMPILING OF EVERYTHING TO GET IT ALL DONE. >> THANK YOU. >> I JUST PUT THAT IN MY CALENDER SO I'LL DELETE THAT NOW. >> THAT'S UP TO Y'ALL. I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T SEE -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THAT TIME NOW BECAUSE GENERALLY SPEAKING THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE -- THAT'S WHAT WE DID TONIGHT WOULD BE AT AUGUST 1ST. >> AUGUST 13TH. >> I WOULD SAY THIS, BECAUSE WHAT WE DID TODAY WAS USUALLY AUGUST 1ST WE THEN SPENT AUGUST LATE NIGHT DOING EVERYTHING WHAT WE CAN DO NOW IS HAVE JUNE AND JULY TO GO THROUGH THE BUDGET TO LOOK AT THINGS AND WE COULD SPEND AUGUST 1ST JUST GET IT THROUGH TO WHERE WE'RE NOT HAVING LATE MEETINGS AND JUST QUICK VOTES AND WE'RE DONE. I WOULD ALMOST PUSH IT BACK ON STAFF, WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE LATE NIGHTS OR JUST ONE SATURDAY AND CHEW THROUGH A LOT. IT COULD BE A SHORT MEETING, IT COULD BE A 6 HOUR ONE. >> I'M NOT NECESSARILY ADVOCATING THAT I WANT IT TO BE CANCELLED. I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ON THAT DAY BECAUSE WE JUST DID. IF Y'ALL AGREE COLLECTIVELY AUGUST 1ST LET'S MEET IN THE MORNING AND START TAKING THE VOTES TO ADOPT THE BUDGET YOU CAN SET THAT PROCESS. YOU HAVE TO SET YOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND WE CAN DO ALL THAT AND NOT MESS WITH IT IN AUGUST EXCEPT FOR THE FORMAL VOTES. >> JULY 31ST IS WHEN IT'S DELIVERED TO CITY COUNCIL. IS THAT ENOUGH TIME -- DONE ONE DAY. >> WE'LL HAVE EVERYTHING WE JUST WON'T HAVE THE OFFICIAL CERTIFIED. >> IT MIGHT DEVIATE, YOU KNOW, 50 TO 80,000 DOLLARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IT JUST REALLY DEPENDS BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING YOU'LL HAVE 99% OF THE BUDGET LIKE LOCKED IN BY THE 15TH. LAST YEAR I HAD TO GO AND CUT OUT WHAT WAS IT, 130,000. 180,000. WE HAD TO CUT 180,000 BECAUSE FINAL APPRAISALS CAME IN LOWER THAN WHAT THE ESTIMATED ONES WERE. AND SO THINGS THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO FUND WE PULLED OUT. SO THAT CAN HAPPEN BUT FOR THE MOST PART I MEAN IT WAS -- YOU KNOW, A 19 MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET AND WE REMOVED 180,000 OR WHATEVER IT WAS. >> I'D LIKE TO HAVE AUGUST 1ST AT LEAST ON THE CALENDER. I'D RATHER HAVE THAT THEN A BUNCH OF LATE NIGHTS. >> YEAH, SURE. I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW TO USE IT. SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANT TO USE IT TO START APPROVE THE BUDGET THAT'S FINE. >> SO TO CLARIFY, COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS COMMENT, WE'RE REQUIRED TO GIVE IT TO YOU BY JULY 31ST. DOESN'T MEAN WE'LL WAIT. >> ACTUALLY WE'RE REQUIRED TO DELIVER IT BY THE -- >> MIDNIGHT. >> IT'S THE 2ND WEEK OF AUGUST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S THE ACTUAL DATE BUT WE DO IT JULY 31ST. >> THANK YOU. >> BY CHARTER THE CITY MANAGER HAS TO DELIVER IT. THAT'S NOT THE SAME THING AS SAYING IT HAS TO BE OFFICIALLY ADOPTED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. >> HEY, WE'VE COME A LONG WAY WHEN I GOT ON COUNCIL WE USED EXCEL SPREADSHEET AND THE NUMBERS DIDN'T ALWAYS ADD UP RIGHT BUT YOU FUDGE IT AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND HOPE NO ONE SAW IT AND NOW WE'RE GETTING EXTREMELY PROFESSIONAL. THANK YOU, ALBERTA, FOR EVERYTHING. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU TO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS. THANK YOU TO FINANCE, STAFF, CITY MANAGER, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. SO ANYTHING ELSE FROM US? >> COOL. [03:30:02] >> HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. >> WELL, THANK YOU. >> TAKE THE REST OF THE EVENING OFF. >> APPRECIATE THAT. >> TAKE THE REST OF THE EVENING [LAUGHTER]. >> THANK YOU, Y'ALL FOR BEING HERE. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. >> WHAT'S THAT? CHECK MY TEAMS. >> LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD FIRE. >> OH IS THAT WHAT THE QUESTION WAS? I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO ANSWER THAT HERE. >> I THINK IT'S A LITTLE EARLY FOR THAT PERSONALLY. I MEAN, LET'S GET OUR OPERATIONAL DONE AND THEN YOU CAN DECIDE WHAT Y'ALL WANT TO DO ON FIRE. YOU CAN ALWAYS GO AND ADD IT BACK IN. >> ALL RIGHT, THANKS, ALBERTA. >> THANK YOU. [10. EXECUTIVE SESSION] >> TIME IS 10:36. WE HAVE ITEM 10-1. RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUESENT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SE SECTION -- THE PROPOSED INTER-LOGAN WASTE WATER AGREEMENT BY AND BETWEEN CITY OF HUTTO AND CITY OF ROUND ROCK TO FACILITATE WASTE WATER SERVICE TO THE CHANDLER ROAD PROJECT AND B INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH HUTTO INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR IMPROVEMENTS CR137 AND FM1660 INTERSECTION. AND 10.2, RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURNT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071. AND RELATED TO AND PENDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS BEING CONSIDERED BY THE HUTTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION OR THE CITY OF HUTTO INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO A, PROJECT CORE, B, PROJECT COTTONWOOD, C, PROJECT FOOTBALL, D, PROJECT LAKE AND E, PROJECT BLUE HUP AND F PROJECT HEARTBEAT AND G PROJECT AIR, H PROJECT ORKARD AND I PROJECT SPROUTS AND J PROJECT MEGA SITE AND K PROJECT SHRINE AND I PROPOSED AND PROJECT 611 AND WHERE DID PROJECT 610 NOWG? [LAUGHTER]. >> OOPS. >> AND ITEM 10-13 3 WERE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 SECTION REAL ESTATE TO DELIBERATE AND SEEK LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY INTERESTS AS PART OF THE CR137 PROJECT, PARCEL 2. TIME IS 10:37. >> ON 10 3 WE SENT OUT A MEMO AND WE RESOLVED IT. THEY SENT AN EMAIL SAYING THEY WERE GOING TO ACCEPT THE COMMISSIONER'S AWARD AND WE FILED THAT JUDGMENT ON MONDAY AND SENT OUT A MEMO NO A * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.