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[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]
CALL THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSIONS FOR THURSDAY, JAN.CUSTOMER COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS.
FORWARD TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHAIR.
RICK HUDSON HERE, UH, FOR YOU TO DO YOUR ROLL CALL HERE.
UH, ALRIGHT, SO, PLANNING ZONING.
ALRIGHT, SO I DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENT.
[4.1. Discussion and possible action regarding Year 5 of the City's Five-Year Capital Improvement Plan (CIP).]
BUSINESS IS ITEM FOUR ONE.DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING YEAR FIVE OF THE CITY'S FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
WE'LL JUST BE TALKING ABOUT FIFTH YEAR IN THE PLAN, HOW WE WANNA GET THIS STARTED.
WELL, I CAN PRIME IT A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU.
SO THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST TRUE YEAR THAT AN EXISTING CIP WAS ALREADY IN PLACE.
SO TRADITIONALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS YOU HAD YEARS ONE THROUGH FIVE PLANNED OUT FOR LAST YEAR.
NOW WE SHOULD BE MOVING INTO YEAR TWO.
SLIDING DOWN, YEAR THREE, YEAR FOUR, YEAR FIVE, SLIDING DOWN.
AND THEN WHAT ARE WE GONNA ADD INTO YEAR FIVE? THERE IS ONE EXCEPTION, UM, FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
ALL FUTURE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS ARE CURRENTLY IN YEAR FIVE.
SO YOU WOULD YEAR FOUR THAT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? WELL, YES.
THEY WOULD BE GOING YEAR FOUR.
SO YOU WOULD ACTUALLY BE DECIDING WHAT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE INTO YEAR FOUR FOR TRANSPORTATION.
YOU'RE GONNA DECIDE WHAT WILL STAY AS A NOT PRIORITY.
SO YOU'RE JUST GONNA CHOOSE THE PRIORITIES IN TRANSPORTATION THAT WILL NOW MOVE INTO THE YEAR FOUR, LEAVING EVERYTHING ELSE IN YEAR FIVE, I GUESS.
AND NOBODY SAYS WE WE'RE, WE NEED TO MOVE ALL THE PROJECTS WE DON'T WANNA DO IN YEAR FOUR.
WE NEED TO MOVE EM TO YEAR FIVE.
IT GOES TO YEAR FIVE EXCEPT FOR WHAT WE WANNA DO IN YEAR FOUR.
ALRIGHT, SO I'M GOING OFF THIS PAGE OR THIS, THIS DOCUMENT HERE.
YEAH, THAT'S, I'M LOOKING AT IT.
DO YOU WANNA START AT THE BEGINNING WITH BUILDING OR YEAH, YEAH.
SO FOR SOME OF YOU THAT HAVEN'T SEEN THIS BEFORE, THE, THE LEGEND UP AT THE TOP IS IF IT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS ARE IN THE GREEN, THAT MEANS WE HAVE FUNDING AVAILABLE, UM, FOR THAT PROJECT BASED ON THAT AMOUNT.
IF IT'S YELLOW, WE NEED MORE FUNDING, UM, MOST LIKELY THROUGH ADDITIONAL DEBT.
UM, IF IT'S RED, IT'S OVER BUDGET AND IF IT IS THAT BRIGHT BLUE, LIGHT BLUE, UM, THOSE ARE ONLY GONNA BE FUNDED IF WE RECEIVE SOME TYPE OF SPONSORSHIP FROM SOME OTHER OUTSIDE ORGANIZATION OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF FUNDING.
AND JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, YEAR FIVE IS 29, 30 OR 30 AND 31 YEAR FIVE IS 30 31 BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA COUNT THE YEAR.
YOU'VE ALREADY, YOU'RE IN THAT YEAR, YEAR THREE.
SO FOR THIS, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT WAS IN YEAR FOUR.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE YEAR FIVE.
SO NOW IT WOULD BE, IS THERE SOMETHING NEW YOU WANT TO ADD INTO YOUR BOT? AND I'M WORKING TO PUT THIS IN THE SHARING FOLDER RIGHT NOW.
JAMES, IS THERE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ADD IN YEAR FIVE? FRANKLY, I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT YOUR BOT.
I COULD SEE LIKE COOL
AND WE HAVEN'T GOT TO THE PART WHERE WE HAVE LIKE 300 MILLION IN ROADS TO DO ME UNTIL WE GET THROUGH THAT.
WELL, WELL CERTAINLY THE, SORRY.
SOMETHING THE PUBLIC WORKS, THE POLICE, THE LIBRARY, THE O AND THE AND THE PARKS HEADQUARTERS DOESN'T HAVE ANY DOLLAR AMOUNTS.
THE NEW PARKS FACILITY HEADQUARTERS HAS NO DOLLAR AMOUNTS.
SO IF, IF YOU WERE GOING TO ADD SOMETHING INTO YEAR FIVE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE WHAT I WOULD PROGRAM FOR.
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HAVE EFFECTIVELY MOVED THROUGH THE OTHER FACILITIES THAT NEED THAT NEED.UH, CONSTRUCTION, UH, AND PARKS WOULD BE THE LAST ONE LEFT THAT WOULD NEED CONSTRUCTION.
SO THAT, THAT COULD BE A REASONABLE RECOMMENDATION FOR YOUR FIVE.
I'D STILL LIKE TO ADD THE PARKS OF, UH, THE RECREATION CENTER ON THERE FOR YOUR FIVE BECAUSE COME YEAR FOUR WE MAY LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OKAY, WELL YEAH, WE CAN DO IT.
OR MAYBE MOVE IT TO YEAR SIX OR SEVEN.
REALLY NOT TO SEE THE RECREATION CENTER ON THERE.
YOU THINK THAT SHOULD MOVE TO YEAR FIVE? NO.
WELL, IT SAYS COMMUNITY CENTER.
IS THAT THE RECREATION CENTER? LIBRARY COMMUNITY.
UH, NO, NO, THE RECREATION CENTER.
I REALLY DO THINK THIS CITY IS LACKING THAT.
AND I'VE BEEN ASKED SO MANY TIMES ABOUT A REC CENTER AND WE DON'T HAVE ONE.
I THOUGHT THE LIBRARY, COMMUNITY CENTER.
FOUR SEPARATE ITEMS. IS THAT NOT TRUE? NO.
LAST YEAR, REMEMBER THAT'S WHAT WE RECOMMENDED FOR.
DID ANY OF THOSE GET COMBINED LAST YEAR? YOU NOT WANNA SIT UP HERE? OH NO.
LIKE IT WAS A THOUGHT I COULD SEE BETTER.
PARK HEADQUARTERS, THE REC CENTER, UH, WHAT WERE THE OTHER TWO? THE LIBRARY, AQUA AND QUA AND THE AQUATICS.
AT, AT THAT THE, YOU SAID THE REC CENTER AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND THE AQUATICS OR HEADQUARTERS? REC CENTER.
YOU GUYS ARE RECOMMENDING ALLS ONE FACILITY.
SO WE GOT LINE THREE AND FIVE ARE THEN OUR, WHAT YOU JUST SAID, OUR THOUGHT WAS THAT IF, IF YOU HAD ALL FOUR OF THOSE IN ONE LOCATION RIGHT.
A RESIDENT AND DRIVE AND DO BASICALLY FOUR THINGS IF THEY NEED TO.
AND, AND BE RIGHT THERE AND NOT HAVE TO TRAVEL TO FOUR, FOUR DIFFERENT PLACES.
SO, AND POSSIBLY BUYING THE LAND WOULD BE CHEAPER IF YOU COULD BUY A BIG ENOUGH PIECE OF PROPERTY TO PUT ALL OF IT INSTEAD OF FOUR SEPARATE PIECES, RIGHT? YEAH, BECAUSE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SHARED PARKING, WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT.
BUT WE PROPOSED THE FEASIBILITY STUDY OF ALL FOUR AS A COMBINED.
I THINK I ORIGINATED THAT WHEN I STILL ON VZ.
BUT I'M TRYING TO ASK IS WHERE'S THE REC CENTER ON THIS PROJECT? I DON'T SEE IT AS A LINE.
IT'S NOT SO HOW CAN WE PULL IT FORWARD IF IT'S NOT HERE? WELL, WE ADD IT.
WE JUST ADD IT AND PUT ON FIVE YOU WOULD ADD IT.
AND WHAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING IS HERE SIX THROUGH 25 OR 30 THAT ARE OFF THE SHEET.
UNLESS THERE WAS SOMETHING PROGRAMMED ALREADY IN THERE.
AND THEN WHENEVER ALBERTA ADVANCED, THEN SHE WOULD'VE PULLED THAT IN.
YOU MIGHT SEE SOME OF THAT WHEN YOU GET TO WATER WASTEWATER.
BUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ITEM TWO ON LINE ONE AND LINE FIVE PARKS HEADQUARTERS AND THEN LINE FIVE IS SAYS NEW PARKS FACILITY HEADQUARTERS.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THERE? WE WORK THAT OUT BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON PUBLIC WORKS AND PARKS COMBINING INTO GOTCHA.
NO MATTER BEGINNING THAT WAS AN IDEA.
THAT WAY WE GIVE YOU THE OPTION.
WELL I ALSO THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF, A LOT OF CONCERN OR, OR, OR QUESTION ABOUT WHERE THE PARKS WANTED TO BUILD, EXCUSE ME, BUILD THEIR HEADQUARTERS IS AT THE PARK.
WOULD BE AT THE PARK THAT'S IN DURANGO.
AND WE JUST KIND OF THREW THAT AROUND US.
IS THAT REALLY FEASIBLE? IS IT REALLY A GOOD IDEA? AND FROM OUR UNDERSTANDING, PARKS AND PUBLIC WORKS DO NOT SHARE EQUIPMENT.
CORRECT?
UH, JEFF WHITE, DIRECTOR OF PARKS RECREATION, UH, WE DO SHARE EQUIPMENT.
UH, WE WORK HAND IN HAND ON PUBLIC WORKS.
I THAT'S WHAT NOW IF WHOEVER, UH, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO WAIT ON EQUIPMENT, THEY MAY HAVE TO WAIT.
IF WE'RE USING IT, THAT SITUATION POPS UP.
SO I THINK WE JUST DID THAT PART, AN OPTION.
BUT WHAT'S, WAS THERE ANY SUGGESTION ABOUT MAYBE TEMPORARILY ONLY IT'S USING IF THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING WAS BUILT, THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY COULD NOW BE A TEMPORARY SHORT TERM PARKS FACILITY PARK.
AND, AND THAT WOULD BE I WOULD SAY PROBABLY SOMETHING FACILITY MANAGER WOULD DECIDE RIGHT.
SO IT'S STILL AN OPTION BECAUSE IT'S STILL GONNA BE CITY OWNED.
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WE'RE NOT SELLING IT.IT'S GOT LOTS OF LAND BEHIND IT.
SO I WOULD SAY WE WOULD DECIDE THAT WE WOULD TALK TO SAVE.
WELL, I JUST SAID IT'S, IT'S STILL A POSSIBILITY.
DO YOU NEED A MOTION FOR THAT OR JUST NOTHING'S CHANGED ON THIS PLAN UNLESS SOMEONE MOTIONS AND VOTES.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION TO ADD THE, THE, WHAT IS THE COMMUNITY REC RECREATION CENTER.
DOES THAT IN, IN YOUR OPINION, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE AQUATIC AS WELL? THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY A FUTURE ITEM.
WE GOT ONE SEAT LEFT HERE OR BY CARINA.
I NEED TO BE THAT SCREEN OVER THERE.
SO
SO I CAN LOOK AT THAT SCREEN, RIGHT? YEAH.
ACTUALLY HOLDS ALL THE PUBLIC STRING IN.
WE'RE GONNA NEED THE RECREATION CENTER BEFORE WE SHOOT AN AQUATICS CENTER.
AND IF THE AQUATICS CENTER COMES AFTER THE REC CENTER DOES THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, BUT I DO BELIEVE THE REC CENTER NEEDS TO BE ON THE LIST.
YOU CAPTURE ALL THIS YOURSELF THOUGH IT MOTION? NO, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THAT LITTLE THING.
I YOU LOOKING FOR A MOTION? YEAH.
MAKE I MAKE A MOTION TO AT THE REC CENTER? THE CFP PLAN.
THE STUDY OR AS THE BUILDING? WHO, WHERE WE
I, I WOULD SAY, WELL, I WOULD SAY THE STUDY.
AND SO MAYOR, WOULD YOU WANT, UM, THAT TO BE AROUND 200,000? OR WHAT TYPE OF DOLLAR AMOUNT ARE YOU WANTING ME TO PUT IN FOR THAT TIMEFRAME? I MEAN, WE HAVE A LIBRARY SLASH COMMUNITY CENTER AT 200.
YEAH, I'D SAY WHATEVER YOU GUYS YOUR BEST GUESS.
BECAUSE WHATEVER YOU PUT TODAY, I'M SURE ONE ME MATERIAL CHANGE FOR THE COUNCIL ON THAT MOTION.
YOU WANT TO CALL THE VOTES ALL? PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.
PASSES A FIRST UNANIMOUS VOTE YOU GUYS, BUT I'VE STOPPED DOING THAT.
UH, ANY OTHER, UH, BILLING PROJECT? THINGS YOU GUYS WANNA DO? YEAH, THEY ARE PARK PROJECTS, BUT FOR 2028 WE HAVE A 43 MILLION THAT ARE IN THERE.
LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A PART OF THE TRAILS, THE ADA, A PLAN TO FIX THOSE.
WE HAVE A NATURE PARK, TWO AND A HALF.
WE HAVE MUSTANG CREEK PARK FOR 12, SKATE PARK FOR ONE SOUTHEAST LOOP PARK FOR 15.
WE HAVE TRAILS THAT ARE, UM, SPONSORS.
SO THE REAL BIG ONES, I GUESS ARE THE NATURE PARK.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE NATURE PARK? WHAT IS THAT? UH, I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE REP, THE MASTER PLAN, WHAT THEY REFERENCED.
BUT IT'S TYPICALLY MORE LIKE A, UM, EXTENSION OF THE PETERSON GARDEN WHERE IT'S MORE, UH, KIND OF THE COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT PLANTS AND DIFFERENT, UH, TYPES OF INTERACTION WITH, UH, MAYBE SOME SMALL ANIMAL THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT I FEEL LIKE I'M MINIATURE ZOO SLASH BEAUTIFICATION
WHAT SIZE ARE YOU ENVISIONING A COUPLE ACRES OR? UH, YEAH, TYPICALLY THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOUR, YOUR CREEK YOUR PARKING SPACE IS GONNA EAT UP, YOU KNOW, AN ACRE OR SO IN BUILDING RIGHT.
SO PROBABLY THREE TO FIVE ACRES.
LET'S, THIS IS DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARK.
THAT'S THE PROPERTY BETWEEN THE BRIDGE CHURCH AND THE MUSTANG CREEK DEVELOPMENT RIGHT THERE.
THE CORRIDOR ALONG MUSTANG CREEK.
SO THAT'S JUST BUILDING OUT THAT PARK.
HOW BIG, HOW BIG A LAND IS THAT? UH, I BELIEVE IT'S
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26 ACRES.LET, WE JUST BUILD A SKATE PARK AT FRITZ.
YOU WANNA DO ANOTHER ONE SOMEWHERE? UH, I THINK NRPA NATIONAL GUIDELINE GOLF FOR TWO.
BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT, THREE YEARS DOWN THE LINE? THAT WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? NATIONAL GUIDELINES FOR WHAT? UH, BASED ON A CITY OUR SIZE SAYS HOW MANY AMENITIES YOU SHOULD HAVE.
AND I BELIEVE IT CALLS FOR TWO OF 'EM.
WHAT'S THAT ORGANIZATION? WHAT? NATIONAL RECREATION PARK ASSOCIATION NATIONAL RECREATION.
WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT PLACE.
WHAT IS THIS? IT'S IN OUR, UH, IT'S IN OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN.
THE NATIONAL RECREATION AND PARK ASSOCIATION PARK.
LET ME, I HAVE TO VERIFY THAT, BUT LET ME, LET ME CHECK.
I THINK THEY REPUBLIC BECAUSE THE NATIONAL URBAN, URBAN AND AND PARKING LOT ASSOCIATION WOULD PROBABLY SAY WE'RE UNDER PARKED.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT YOU LOOK AT PARKS PEOPLE, EVERYTHING'S UNDER PARKED BECAUSE THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
AND THEN YOU GO TO THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION, YOU NEED MORE APARTMENTS AND EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY'S GOT A COMPETING THING.
AND THEN IN SOUTH PARK, WHAT IS, YEAH, WHAT IS THE SOUTHEAST LOOK? THAT'S THE, UM, ORIGINALLY THAT WAS THE PLAN OUT BY THE SOUTHWEST PARK TREATMENT PLANT TO BUILD, UH, A PARK ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN TO ACCOMMODATE THE FUTURE GROWTH OUT TOWARDS NORTHERN CROSSING THAT AREA.
BECAUSE IT DIDN'T, WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'RE HOPING TO ENTER.
SO I THINK IT'D BE HOPING SOMETHING FUTURE.
I, ONE, ONE IDEAS THAT TALKED AROUND MAYOR WAS THE, UM, MAYBE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO UTILIZE THE SPACE FOR THE SANDBOXES ON AND CREATE SPACE FOR THEM.
AND THEN MAYBE DO A PART THERE.
SO THE PROJECTS THEY DO BY US TO STAY OR MOVE OUT TO YEAR FIVE.
THERE ANY OTHER, WE DIDN'T GO THE, WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THE YELLOW AND I MISSED IT.
WE'RE ONLY ABLE TO DO YEAR FIVE.
SO THE, THE ONES WE'RE LOOKING AT BUMPING IS ATHLETIC FIELDS.
FOUR YELLOW PARKED THE SKATE PARK.
THE ONLY REASON I, YEAH, I, I SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE I'LL BE HONEST, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT YEAR FOUR, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD DO ALL OF YEAR FOUR IN YEAR FOUR.
AND SOMETHING TELLS ME THE ATHLETIC FIELD IS GONNA TAKE MORE THAN A YEAR TO DO.
AND SO THAT BLEEDS OVER IN THE YEAR 29TH.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO 30 MILLION IN IMPROVEMENTS TO TURN AROUND AND DROP ANOTHER 30 MILLION.
LET SEE THE UM, STANDARD COMMENT STANDARD IS ONLY ONE SKATE PARK PER CITY OUR SIDE.
SO WITH THE ONE WE HAVE, WE SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT SKATE.
WE'RE GONNA MOTION MOTION TO, I'LL MAKE MOTION TO MOVE THE THE NATURE PARK, THE MUSTANG CREEK PARK AND THE SOUTHEAST LOOP PARK OUT ONE YEAR AND REMOVE THE SKATE PARK COMPLETELY.
SECOND, DOES THAT KEEP US IN COMPLIANCE AS WE PROJECTED GROWTH MOVES FORWARD.
AND THEN WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHO WE'RE GONNA GRAB THIS MONEY FROM.
PERHAPS TWO SKATE PARTS, IF WE'RE PROJECTED GROWTH GETS THAT THRESHOLD.
I ASKED THE, BEFORE I ANSWER THAT QUESTION, IF I ASK THE PARK DIRECTOR WHAT IS THE STIPULATION TO GETTING A SECOND SKATE SKATE PARK, WHAT IS THE POPULATION HUNDRED? WELL THIS IS, UH, FORECASTING OUT TO MEET OUR, UH, POPULATION OF 2030 AT 65,000 PEOPLE.
SO DO YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY WHAT THE SECOND ONE IS, I'D HAVE TO DO SOME RESEARCH.
WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IF IT'S 10 YEARS OUT, THEN I WOULD AGREE TO REMOVE.
BUT IF IT'S SIX YEARS OUT, RIGHT.
ONLY ONE YEAR, WHY THROW THIS OUT? I DON'T WANT THE NATIONAL RECREATION PARK ASSOCIATION DICTATING TELL US WHAT TO DO, DICTATE WHEN TO DO IT.
BECAUSE FOR ME, BEFORE WE BUILT A WHOLE BUNCH MORE PARKS, I THINK WE OUGHT MAKE SURE ALL THE PARKS WE HAVE ARE ALL DONE.
OTHERWISE LIKE, WELL THIS ONE HERE.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BUILD A NEW FUND.
AND THEN IF WE WANT A R CENTER AND START ASKING OURSELVES LIKE SOME POINT OF COMPETING INTEREST, BECAUSE I THINK AT THE END, BUT WE ALWAYS FIND OUT WHO WILL ALWAYS SEE HOW WE DO ALL THIS.
WE GET TO THE VERY END AND THEN THAT'S WHAT JAMES SAYS.
OKAY, YOU JUST DOUBLE THE TAX RATE BECAUSE NOW YOU GUYS HAVE 500 MILLION YOU WANNA DO IN ONE YEAR.
AND THEN WE ALWAYS HAVE TO GO BACK AGAIN.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE MONEY AND I WANNA SAY ALBERTA, EACH PENNY REPRESENTED ABOUT SIX, A LITTLE OVER 600,000.
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INCOME.AND IF YOU HAD, I MEAN, CAN YOU FIND OUT REAL QUICK WHAT 600,000 DEBT SERVICE WILL GET YOU LIKE ON A 30 YEAR 5% TYPE DEAL? 60 MILLION.
OH, YOU SURE YOU CAN'T GET THAT? IT'S, IT'S LESS THAN THAT.
ALMOST THOUSAND FOR 60 MILLION.
THAT'S A BIG, I BET IT'S MORE LIKE 20 MILLION OR SOMETHING.
BUT I'LL DO THE ACTUAL MATH FOR YOU SO YOU'LL HAVE AN ANSWER.
SO 600,000 PAYMENT, ZERO PRESENT VALUE.
YOU SAID 5% INTEREST FOR 30 YEARS.
SO THEN FOR EVERY, WHAT WAS THAT AGAIN? FOR EVERY 600.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY WE GET YOU 40 MILLION IN DEBT.
BUT WE DON'T USUALLY DO 30 YEAR NOTES.
OPPOSITE TO 30 25 IN COMPUTE FUTURE VALUES.
29 MILLION FOR EVERY PENNY TAX RATE WE CAN 29 MILLION.
SO WHEN WE GET THROUGH ALL THIS AND WE LOOK AND SAY, OKAY, WE JUST LIKE, SO IN 2029 WE'RE SPENDING 36 MILLION.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE A PENNY AGAIN UP TODAY, NOT KNOWING IT'S GONNA CHANGE IN THREE YEARS, BUT THAT'S A PAY AND A HALF INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE.
THAT'S JUST FOR THE PARKS HEAD CORNERS.
WE HAVE ANOTHER 30 MILLION IN PARKS.
THAT'S A PENNY AND A HALF OR A PENNY.
I'M GONNA SAY, BRIAN, ON ALL THIS STUFF, THERE'S ALWAYS, EVERYBODY CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT FOR A NEED.
I THINK WHAT WE TRY TO DO AS A COUNCIL IS START WITH WHAT WE COULD STOMACH IN TERMS OF TAXES AND THEN WE GO, OKAY, IF WE CAN STOMACH A NICKEL INCREASE, WHERE DO WE SPEND THAT ON? OR A AND SOME OF THE STUFF I'D ASKED WHY WE ASKED FOR THE VOTE ON THE POLICE STATION, BECAUSE THAT WILL BE A 50 SOMETHING MILLION.
THAT'S LIKE A 2 CENT, RIGHT? THAT'S LIKE A 2 CENT INCREASE.
ONE THING WAS KEEP IT ON THE CIP AND KICK IT DOWN.
KICK IT DOWN THE STRAIGHT IF MAY BE AGAIN, THIS IS REEVALUATED EVERY YEAR.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK DAN, DAN MAKE THE MOTION.
JUST BECAUSE THIS IS MY FIRST ONE GOING THROUGH THIS.
UM, YOU RECOMMENDED THE MOTION THAT WE MOVE THESE THINGS UP BACK A YEAR.
CAN YOU PROBABLY UNDERSTAND THAT I'M NOT AGAINST IT.
I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND WHY YOU GOT TO THAT MOTION.
'CAUSE I DON'T SEE ANY WAY THAT WE'RE FUNDING THESE IN THE, IN THE FOURTH YEAR AND THE SKATE PARK IS GOING TO BE AT STANDARD AND WE STILL HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE WELL BELOW STANDARD.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA RAISE ITSELF HIGH ENOUGH ON THE LIST ANYTIME SOON TO BE OUT THE LIST.
SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING WE BUMP IT OUT IN 29 30 OR 30 31? NO SKATE PARK'S.
AND THEN THE OTHERS MOVE ONE YEAR, RIGHT? ONE YEAR.
SO THE THE ONES THAT ARE MOVING OUT ONE YEAR OR 29 30? YES.
'CAUSE THAT'S AS FAR AS WE'RE GOING.
AND ALL THE YELLOW ITEMS, THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THE FUNDING WHERE THE GREEN SUFFICIENT FUNDING.
SO WE GOTTA COME UP WITH MORE FUNDING
AND FOR ME BUMPING 'EM IS, YOU KNOW, KEEP, KEEP 'EM ON THE FIVE YEAR CIP SO THAT WE'RE AWARE.
AND I THINK THERE'S SOME THING ABOUT BE ON THE FIVE YEAR CIP FOR SOME REASON, BUT FOR THEM TO BE, FOR DEVELOPERS AND PLANNERS TO LOOK AT FOR CHANGE, UH, STATUTE THAT, THAT'S FOR THE ROADS.
IT'S NOT REALLY, IT'S NOT REALLY FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
BUT DO NOTE THAT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE EFFECTIVELY LIKE TWO YEARS OF BLANK HERE.
YOU HAVE YEAR FOUR AND YEAR FIVE ARE BOTH BLANK.
SO YEAR FIVE AND YEAR SIX FIVE, JAMES.
THE, THE FIRST COLUMN IS JUST WHAT WE WERE, WHAT WE DO.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THAT QUESTION.
BECAUSE PERSONALLY I THINK WE SHOULD BUMP IT OUT TILL EARLIER.
WELL THAT IS YOUR FIVE, RIGHT? THAT'S YEAR FIVE.
YEAH, WE'RE SAYING YEAR FIVE WE WERE OFF.
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OFF BY ONE FISCAL YEAR.I THINK WE ALWAYS OFF NEXT TIME WE'LL PUT YEAR ONE.
BUT, BUT THE AGENDA ITEM SAYS WE CAN ONLY LOOK AT YEAR FIVE FIVE.
BUT WE COULD MOVE OTHER STUFF OUT OF OTHER YEAR AND PUT IT IN YEAR FIVE.
WE JUST CAN'T MOVE AROUND YEAR THREE, FOUR.
ONLY YEAR FIVE IF THAT'S THE CASE AND THE OTHER THING.
SO SENIOR YEAR THREE WE CAN'T DO IT TO YEAR FOUR.
YOU EITHER GOTTA TAKE IT COMPLETELY OUTTA YEAR 1, 2, 3, 4, MOVE TO FIVE OR NOT DID IT.
SO THE POINT OF THIS MEETING WAS FOR THE TWO BODIES TO KIND OF DECIDE WHAT NEEDS TO ROLL IN AND BE PROGRAMMED INTO YEAR FIVE OF THE CIP THEN COUNCIL GENERALLY HAS A SECOND MEETING.
I THINK IT'S THE JULY 16TH IS WHAT? THE 16TH WHERE, WHERE COUNCIL WILL THEN MOVE IN BETWEEN THE YEARS.
SO IT'S GOOD TO GATHER THE INFORMATION, MAKE YOUR NOTES NOW.
THAT WAY WHENEVER YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE ITEM BEFORE YOU GET COUNCIL, THEN YOU CAN SAY HEY LET'S MOVE THIS PROJECT FROM YEAR TWO TO YEAR FOUR AND YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
SO IF YOU WANNA MOVE ANYTHING THAT'S UP THERE INTO YEAR FIVE, YOU'RE GOOD.
OR IF YOU WANT TO MOVE THINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT LISTED AND PLACE THEM ON THE FIVE YEAR CIP, YOU'RE GOOD.
FOR ME IT'S JUST MOVE, YOU KNOW, GET THINGS OUT.
THE FIVE THAT, SO WE HAVE HIGHER PRIORITY THING, UH, HIGHER PRIORITY ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
SO OUT ON THERE WE'RE AWARE OF IT.
DO WE HAVE EVAN, YOU A DISCUSSION FOR THIS? DAN AND EVAN.
ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR PARKS? MM-HMM YOU MOVE ON TO STREET AND DRAINAGE, THIS WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN YEAR FOUR.
RIGHT? THAT'S WHY I'M GETTING CONFUSED ON THIS.
SO WE HAVE NOTHING TO YEAR FOUR.
WE JUST NEED TO BE FIGURING OUT WHAT OUTTA YEAR THREE WE WANNA MOVE TO YEAR FIVE.
I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHY THAT'S THE CASE.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S UP THAT ALBERTA? THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY THEY PLACED THEM ALL LAST YEAR.
SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING IN YEAR FIVE.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK BUT OKAY.
SO ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE OUT OF YEARS, TWO OR THREE AND MOVE INTO YOUR FIVE, WELL THEY CAN'T TALK ABOUT FOUR SO THEY CAN ONLY MOVE THINGS INTO YOUR FIVE.
SO BASICALLY GO THROUGH THE LIST, DECIDE WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO PRIORITIZE AND MOVE ALL THAT INTO YOUR THOUGHT.
WELL WE JUST MET AT THE ON TODAY CHAIN AND I HAD A GOOD MEETING ON 1 32 AND 79.
WE'VE BEEN TOLD FOR ACTUALLY FOUR YEARS OR LONGER THAT TXDOT WANTS US TO BUILD THAT BRIDGE OVER.
THEY NEVER BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE CITY ENGINEERS THAT WE HIRED IN GARVER, THEY'VE BEEN PUSHING US TO BUILD THIS BRIDGE.
NEWS IT ITEM ON THAT BECAUSE I WASN'T HAPPY.
THEY WERE LIKE, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, YOU GUYS CAN GO AT GRADE CHUCK HANDLE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE COULD DO THIS.
AND I WAS LIKE, HAD WE DONE THIS? WE COULD HAVE BUILT THIS INTERCHANGE THREE YEARS AGO BUT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIND A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR BRIDGE.
'CAUSE WE WERE TOLD YOU REQUIRED IT.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, NO, IT WAS THREE GUYS.
SO ANYWAY, THAT COULD COMPLETELY CHANGE.
AND SO I WOULD NOT MOVE THAT ONE UP OR I WOULD NOT PUSH THAT BACK.
'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S A CHANCE TO MOVE THAT UP.
THE LIVE RECONSTRUCTION AND THEN, UH, WE LOST SOME TIME WITH THAT ONE.
I PULLED EVERYTHING IN BY HALF.
YEAH, THAT ONE THERE WE'RE TALKING, THEY ALREADY WORKED ON SIGNALS AND IT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE REAL QUICK.
I WOULDN'T BUMP OUT BECAUSE HOPEFULLY BY THEN WE HAVE UTILITIES RELOCATED AND BURIED THE WATERLINE SPECS, THE GAS SIGN, SCHMIDT SAFETY AND OPERATIONS.
WHERE IS THE FUNDING FOR THE UNDERGROUNDING OF THE UTILITIES? WE GOT FRONT IDEA OF THAT.
SO YOU MIGHT CONSIDER GETTING THAT ON THE LIST.
WHAT'S THE ED SCHMIDT SAFETY AND OPERATIONS.
WE SAID OKAY, LET'S CHANGE THE TITLE OF THIS.
SO HERE THAT IT IS A SIDEWALK FROM THE US 79 TO THE CHURCH AND LIMMER AND EDGE SCHMIDT.
IT'S JUST, OH, IMPROVEMENTS WHERE IT IS MORE THAN THAT ISN'T
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'CAUSE WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT.IT'S, WE'RE GETTING READY TO ACCEPT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
WE, WE ASKED AND THAT WAS THE ANSWER WE GOT.
I'VE BEEN USING THOSE RIGHT TURN LENGTHS THERE.
SO, UH, GARBAGE COMPLETED US 2023.
THERE ARE MORE OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED IN A STUDY FEASIBILITY STUDY.
THE TWO THAT WERE TAKEN FORWARD THAT ARE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS RIGHT NOW FOR ONLY TWO OF MULTIPLE COMPONENTS.
SO IN THE STUDY THERE'S ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE TAKEN FORWARD AND WE DIDN'T SEE THOSE.
UH, SO WE WANNA DECIDE TO PUSH THAT ONE OUT.
THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ONE, ONE THING THAT I COULD OFFER AND INTERJECT HERE, JUST FOR GENERAL EDIFICATION, MOST OF THESE PROJECTS SHOULD BE BEING PULLED FROM THE MASTER PLANS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
SO IN, IN DOING YOUR RESEARCH OUTSIDE OF SPACE WITH, WITH STAFF OR WHATEVER, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO INTO THE MASTER MOBILITY PLAN AND FIND THE EDGE SCHMIDT SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS AND WHAT ALL IS IS CALLED OUT THERE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A RESOURCE FOR YOU.
SAME THING WITH THE WATER MASTER PLAN.
WHENEVER YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, WHAT'S THIS PROJECT THAT IS AN, AN EXTRA RESOURCE FOR MOST OF THESE PROJECTS ARE GETTING PULLED OVER FROM THOSE PLANTS.
I'M GONNA BE TRAINING ON THAT.
THE INTERSECTION LIVE OAK EXCHANGE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I KNOW THAT ONE OUT.
NOW THAT ONE JAMES, THAT'S CHANGE, RIGHT? THAT ONE.
NOW THE I IS, WE'RE JUST COST PARTICIPATING WITH THE, IS WE JUST COST PARTICIPATING NOW THAT WE CAN REMOVE THE EIGHT POINT A? YEAH.
DOES THAT CHANGE THAT NUMBER? THAT'S LIKE, UH, YES.
LET'S SAY SEVEN 50,000 OR SOMETHING LESS.
SO WE WILL, WE'LL START BY THAT TO, UH, THAT BE UPDATED AND THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE TO FOUR 50.
BUT IT'S, IT DID GET MOVED UP BECAUSE WE ALREADY APPROVED THAT.
THAT, THAT WE HAVEN'T CUT THE CHECK AND WE WON'T CUT THE CHECK UNTIL PROBABLY NEXT YEAR.
SO BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GET IT BUILT AND THEN SUBMIT IT TO US FOR REIMBURSEMENT.
SO THAT LINE ITEM STAYS JUST THE NUMBER CHANGES.
WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON YOUR UH, THIS IS T 16.
SO THE 3 0 6 THAT'S FOR THE TRAFFIC? YEAH.
NOW LIVER LOOP AND HAY BARN TO DATE, THAT'S STILL AN ETJ, RIGHT? THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT UH, GREEN HAVEN HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IS STILL ETJI BELIEVE.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I NECESSARILY MESS WITH THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT HIT.
IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN THE CITY THEN WE 1 63 RECONSTRUCTION THAT IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THAT'S DESIGNED RIGHT PATRICIA OR ALL THIS DESIGN, THE DESIGN SHOULD BE CONCEDED IN SEPTEMBER.
I DON'T KNOW IF I, I'D WAIT AND SEE, I GUESS SEE HOW UH, 1 37 DOES 1 9 9 2 I IF I CHANGED THAT ONE BUT THAT ONE I THINK WE WERE HOLDING ENOUGH ON THAT ONE UNTIL 16.
YEAH, WE PUT THAT ONE BACK TIME.
THAT ONE'S SUPPOSED TO START RIGHT AFTER 16.
BUT THAT ONE NOW IS END OF THE YEAR.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT POST FULL OUT FOR YEAH.
THAT WOULD BE THE NIGHTMARE ALREADY.
YEAH, WE WOULDN'T DO THAT TO YEAR FIVE.
THEN WE HAVE UH, ALLIANCE EXPANSION.
HEY, 1 99 YOU SAID YOU WOULDN'T MOVE IT TO YEAR FIVE.
I REMEMBER LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, I REMEMBER WE YEAH.
TALKING ABOUT WE FUNDED THE DESIGN OR WE TALKED ABOUT FUNDING THE DESIGN BUT IT GOT KICKED BACK BECAUSE STAFF HANDLE MAKE PROJECTS.
BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DESIGNING IT FOR DEVELOPERS TO PAY FOR THE EXPANSION, RIGHT? YEAH.
SINCE THEY WERE THE ONES USING THE RIGHT.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BECAUSE THAT TURN SIGNAL, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT CHANGED.
SO THERE'S MORE, ACTUALLY MORE TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THERE NOW THAN THERE WAS BEFORE.
YOU MEAN THE TURN LANE? OBVIOUSLY TURN LANE ON 79.
OH I THOUGHT THAT HAD TO BE REDONE WITH TRAFFIC AND IMPACT.
I THINK THE DESIGN, RIGHT? THE DESIGN WAS BEING MODIFIED DUE TO THE LEFT THE HOOD OF LEFT RIGHT.
'CAUSE OF DRAINAGE OR SOMETHING.
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SOME WIDEN AND ADD LANE COMING OFF OF 79, THE RIGHT TURNS AND THAT LEFT TURN.SO THERE IN THE DESIGN AND WE WERE ONLY GONNA CARRY DESIGN UP TO THIS FISCAL AND CONSTRUCTION FUNDING WAS TO PER FIRST.
I'M OKAY PUSHING THAT ONE ONLY BECAUSE LIKE I DRIVE THAT ALL THE WAY ALL THE TIME.
BUT THAT IS MOSTLY DEVELOP, UH, INDUSTRIAL.
AND TO ME IF THEY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT TO EXPAND IT, THEY CAN PAY FOR IT.
BUT UM, UM, WE HAVE INNOVATION EXPANSION, WHICH I THINK IS THE SAME THING, RIGHT? WE PAID FOR
SO INNOVATION WAS APPROVED FISCAL YEAR 26, 20 25, 26.
BUT WITH THE STAFF, UH, TURNOVER, THAT PROJECT DESIGN WAS PUT ON WHOLESALE.
OH THAT'S THE ONE DESIGNED ON HOLD.
BUT THAT DOESN'T EFFECT NECESSARILY WHERE WE HAVE IT CONSTRUCTED IN THE FUTURE.
AS LONG AS IT'S DESIGNED BY THEN.
WHAT YOU GONNA SAY THAT'S NOW ON THE INNOVATION EXPANSION BECAUSE OF SPROUTS COMING INTO THAT AREA? THAT'S WHAT I SUGGESTED AT COUNCIL LAST MONTH SAYING WE MAY WANT TO ACTUALLY MOVE THAT UP IF POSSIBLE.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S SCHEDULED FOR YEAR THREE IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO IT'S SCHEDULED FOR YEAR THREE.
BUT IF WE START CONSTRUCTION ON THAT AND IT TAKES 12 MONTHS NOW IT'S COMPLETED IN YEAR FOUR IS ALREADY UP.
AND THEY'VE GOT A TO UP ROAD TO GET TO IT THE MOST WE CAN DO WITHOUT MOVING IT OUT.
I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY CONVERSATION WE CAN HAVE.
WE HAVE T 23 16 60 NORTH EXPANSION FROM FARLEY TO
I NEVER TALKED ABOUT THAT ONE.
YOU REMEMBER THAT? I HAVEN'T BEEN THAT.
WHY, WHY? THAT'S THE LAST THAT WE HAVE.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S UP WITH T 23? WE DON'T REMEMBER THAT EVER BEING ON HERE.
I THINK THAT WAS WHAT WAS IT FAR AND LIBO IT DIDN'T GO IT DEAD END.
WHAT'S THAT? I THINK THE ROAD JUST DEAD END.
THIS IS TO 16 NORTH EXPANSION FROM FARLEY TO LIBO.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A NORTHBOUND NORTH AND SOUTH LIVE UP.
SO THERE'S A PROJECT, UH, THIS RIGHT THERE, THERE'S A PROJECT 1660 NORTH US 79 THE LIVE OAK WIDENING FROM A A CATEGORY TWO TO A CATEGORY THREE U.
WHAT PROJECT IS THAT? UH, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE PROJECT LISTED.
I'M AT, I'M IN THE ACTUAL MASTER MOBILITY PLAN.
UM, I DO NOT SEE A 1616 NORTH FROM FARLEY TO MAYBE THAT'S JUST MISTITLED BY THE WELL I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE WE DID EXPAND THE LANE FROM FARLEY TO 79 ALREADY.
SO, OH, EXTENDING MAYBE THAT TURN LANE FROM THAT TO GO THAT'S, THAT'S THE OTHER WAY.
THIS ONE'S FROM 79 TO LIVE OAK.
THAT ONE'S FROM LIVE OAK TO LIMERICK.
'CAUSE THE ONE RIGHT BELOW IT ALSO SAYS FARLEY 1 37 EXPANSION FROM FARLEY TO COUNTY ROAD 1 38.
SO T 24 THAT RIGHT NOW IF I, THAT IS IN THE ETJ BUT WITH THE UH, WHAT DO WE CALL THAT? WHAT'S THAT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE BRIDGE GATEWAY GATEWAY THAT WOULD BRING THIS LAND INTO THE CITY? SO I'D LOOK, I'D SAY LOOK AT BUMPING THAT TO YEAR FIVE ONLY BECAUSE I THINK THE DEVELOPER WAS TALKING ABOUT A PIT THAT MAKES SENSE.
MAKE THEM DO ALL THAT WORK THEMSELVES.
AND I'D ALMOST CHANGE THAT BLUE TO OR CHANGE IT TO BLUE TOO BECAUSE I FORCE HIM TO SPEND A 15 MILLION BECAUSE WELL LOOK AT THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GONNA WHITE THAT IS IF WE ANNEX THE LAND, WE'RE NOT ANNEXING THE LAND UNLESS SAY BUILD OUR CONVENTION CENTER.
SO GUESS WHAT YOU GOTTA DO TO GET A TURS? YEAH.
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EXPANDED ROADS.THAT'S GOING UP IN THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF TOWN.
UP BY UH, WHAT, BY FOUR, RIGHT? YEP.
Y'ALL, Y'ALL MOVING TOO FAST ON 2 25? YEAH.
WHAT'D YOU DO AT 23? MAYBE I MISSED THAT.
WELL WE HAVEN'T, HAVEN'T VOTED YET, BUT I'M GONNA TRY TO SEE IF WE'LL BUMP IT OUT TO YEAR FIVE.
BUT SHE'S TRYING TO LIST EVERYTHING THAT Y ARE CHANGING SO THAT WAY IT GETS CAPTURED.
UH, WE MIGHT, WE MIGHT WAIT UNTIL, 'CAUSE BY THE TIME I MAKE THE MOTION THERE'S GONNA BE CHANGES.
SHE CAN, SHE CAN DRAW THROUGH JUST MAKING NOTES.
MOVE, MOVE T 23 TO TO YEAR FIVE ASSUMING THE MOTION PASSES.
AND T 24, RIGHT? AND 24 GOES TO BLUE? YES.
WELL HOW ABOUT Y'ALL JUST VOTE AFTER EACH ONE THEN THAT WAY IT THAT EASIER FOR YOU ALL? I THINK SO.
WELL I THINK
THAT'S ETJ RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? THAT'S OUT BY FLORA.
IS THAT, IS THAT 1 32? IS THAT THE NEW ONE? 32 THAT CUTS THROUGH? UH, PROBABLY F 30.
THAT, THAT'S A BUMP OUT FOR ME BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHY WHY THAT'S AGREE WITH THAT.
THAT'S A PRIORITY IF YOU'RE PRIORITIZING.
ALRIGHT, SO TEAM 26 STATION CHANGE.
HEY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CATCH UP LATER.
IS THAT NUMBER BASED ON WHAT THE GUY NORTH OF LIMBER? WHAT HIS NUMBER WERE WE NOT DOING? I DUNNO IF THAT'S BECAUSE I THINK, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT HIS NUMBER WE WERE TALKING TO TEXT DO TODAY.
BUT I WOULDN'T BUMP THAT ONE OUT BECAUSE I THINK
THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S LIKE THE DIAGONAL ROAD CUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YES, I HAVE YET TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHY WE'RE DOING THAT ONE.
BUT IT'S A REALIGNMENT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S S-CURVES.
SO YOU TAKE OUT THE S-CURVES AND THEN YOU END UP WITH A THOROUGHFARE BECAUSE THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE THE, THE, THE HU ARTERIAL THAT GOES FOR ALL THE WAY FROM THE BOTTOM PART OF THE LOOP TO THE NORTH PART.
EVENTUALLY I I SEE THAT AS ACCOUNTING PROJECT.
I SAY AS ACCOUNTING, NO OFFENSE TO PEOPLE LIVE UP THERE, BUT I'D RATHER FIX THE, I'D RATHER FIX LIKE ONE NINE AND THE ROADS CURRENTLY THAT HAVE THE SCUR THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN LIVING ON FOR 10 YEARS.
WHY Y'ALL GET PAID THE BIG BOOKS THAT DECIDE BEFORE YOU NOT, IT'S NOT IMPORTANT BUT IN MY MIND IT'S LIKE IF WE KEEP FIXING ALL THE NEW GROWTH ISSUES.
BUT THAT 1 99 IS A HUGE S CURVE COMPARED TO THIS.
RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE, THAT'S AN ACTUAL SCUR AT 1 9 92 DOG LEGS SO FAST.
NOW I GO AROUND, I GAVE UP EVEN TRYING TO ON THAT
BUT COULD YOU IMAGINE TRYING TO GO BACK THROUGH THE CHAT LOG AND MAKE HEADS OR TAILS OF THIS T 29 CARL STERN FROM IT'S END AND ACTUAL ROAD FROM END? OR IS THAT LIKE IT'S END OF THE ROAD NOW TO CARGO? PROBABLY THAT WHERE IS, WHERE, WHERE IS THAT? THAT'S NOT GOING THROUGH LUCAS'S PROPERTY, IS IT? I GUESS IT WOULD BE THAT, THAT WHERE IT ENDS IS THAT CARGO.
ENDS AT BRANSON AND CARL STERN RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU KEEP GOING, THAT'S LUCAS'S PROPERTY.
ANYBODY WANNA LUCAS HOUSE? NOT REALLY.
I PUT PUSH THAT DOWN, GIVE IT TO A NON, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER THING.
EXTEND TO ME, EXTEND THE ROAD, WHICH WOULD INVITE MORE DEVELOPMENT.
BUT TO ME THAT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPER DRIVEN IF ANYTHING, BECAUSE I'M NOT TRYING TO BUILD A ROAD TO HELP PEOPLE MOVE HERE.
I'M TRYING TO BUILD THE ROADS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE.
I THINK THAT THAT IS, THAT'S IN HERE IS CRAWL STERN EXTENSION.
SO THAT IS EAST, EAST OF BRANSON.
BETTER DEVELOPER, CONNECTIVE FEATURE AWAY ROLLING.
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WELL WE'RE ALL, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THIS, WE'VE ALREADY DONE VINTAGE THIS BEFORE SHE
ANYTHING LIKE FROM A, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT FROM LIKE A UM, LIKE AN IDEOLOGY IS TERMS OF LIKE TRYING TO PUSH STUFF ON DEVELOPERS OR DON'T WORK ON ROADS THAT ARE NEW DEVELOPMENTS BUT WORK ON THE OLD ROADS FIRST.
IS THERE ANY CHANGES? YOU GUYS HAVE THAT IDEA? I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY FOCUS ON WHAT WE ALREADY NEED NOW.
WHAT WE TOLD STAFF IN THE BE IN THE END, RIGHT JAMES IS TELL US EVERY ROAD PROJECT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, STICK 'EM ALL ON HERE AND THEN IT'S OUR JOB TO MOVE IT AROUND.
SO THERE'S A BILLION DOLLARS IN PROJECTS.
WE KNOW WE CAN'T AFFORD 'EM, BUT WE HAVE TO JUST FIGURE OUT, MOSTLY IT'S IN YEAR FIVE, UH, T 30, 16 60 AT CARL STERN.
WHAT'D YOU DO WITH 29? DID YOU PUSH IT? YEAH, WE TURNED IT.
WELL WE'RE THINKING TURNING IT BLUE AND PUSHING IT OUT TO YEAR FIVE, DOWN EIGHT.
WITH THE IDEA BEING THAT'LL ONLY BE, THE ONLY REASON WE NEED EXTENDED IS IF THE DEVELOPERS BUILD SOMETHING AND THEN THEY INTO IT.
SO YOU GOTTA GET DOWN TO THE END.
16 AND CARL STERN THAT SIGNAL IT.
AND CARL STERN RIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION.
IT UH, WHAT IS THAT? UH, CREEK BEND.
WHAT PROJECT ARE Y'ALL ON INCREASING? 30 30 30 16 60.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THAT UP? LET FIND OUT.
HE IS HAD ALL THE PROJECTS IN THE CITY.
THAT ONE DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S A HUGE PAIN POINT.
JAMES WILL GET ALL EXCITED BRO.
I'M ABOUT, SO 90% OF THE PROBLEMS OF LAW
THIS IS PROPOSING TO ADD TURN LANES.
IS THAT THAT INTERSECTION? RIGHT? WELL SAY THAT AGAIN JASON.
IT'S IT IS, IT'S IN HERE TO ADD TURN LANES AT THAT INTERSECTION.
SO YOU GUYS, YOU LIVE OVER THERE TOWARDS HALFWAY TONY, RIGHT.
WHAT BACKS UP THERE? I'M TRYING TO, IT BACKS UP EASTBOUND AS ALL THE TRAFFIC IS COMING DOWN.
CARL STERN TO GET TO GET ACROSS TO GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND IT WILL BE BACKED UP ALMOST ALL THE WAY TO THE STOP SIGN AT THE SCHOOL ALL THE WAY BACK TO NATURE.
I LIVE OFF BROOKLYN WOULD BE A BETTER SOLUTION.
THEY'RE GONNA START LOWING UP.
WELL HEY, WHEN THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T SEE THE TRAFFIC ANYMORE.
MAYBE ROUNDABOUTS AREN'T SO BAD.
WELL THEY KEEP SAYING LIKE, THEY KEEP TRAFFIC.
THEY'RE LIKE, WELL WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
THERE'S A COUPLE IN GEORGETOWN ONE YOU WANT VOTE ON THAT BATCH OF THEM SO WE CAN LOCK THOSE IN.
AND THAT ONE OF THE PAGE LET'S BATCH INTO THE PAGE AND THEN I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.
NO, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE 25 THINGS IN THE, WE'LL DO 12 IN THE QUEUE.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE TAKE T 16.
UM, WELL, AND I CAN'T DO THAT ONE 'CAUSE THAT'S JUST CHANGE.
THE, THE MOTION IS T 23 GETS MOVED TO YEAR FIVE.
T 24 GOES BLUE AND MOVES TO YEAR FIVE.
YEAR FIVE AND T 29 GOES BLUE INTO YEAR FIVE.
IS THAT ABOUT YOUR NOTES? 25? IT'S 45 IS YEAR FIVE.
CARL STERN, THE, THE ONE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, CARL STERN OVER THERE AT UM, LUCAS'S PROPERTY.
WHICH ONE IS THAT? THAT'S THE EXTENSION.
UM, HONESTLY, JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION 'CAUSE I LIVE OVER IN THAT VICINITY.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY WE NEED TO DO THAT.
WELL THAT'S WHY WE MAKE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE MAKING IT BLUE.
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IT THEN.WHICH ONE IS THIS? SORRY, IT 29.
HOPEFULLY THEY'RE NOT GONNA DEVELOP OVER THERE.
THE ONLY WAY THEY DO IS LUCAS.
I DON'T LAUGH, BUT THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.
I MEAN THE ONLY WAY THEY DO IS DIP.
RIGHT? SO IF HE SELLS HIS LAND TO DEVELOPER AND THEY WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING, HE'LL JUST BUMP IT OUT AND TURN BLUE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
ALRIGHT, SO IT'S TAKE T 23, MOVE TO YEAR FIVE T 24 BLUE IN YEAR FIVE.
T 25 YEAR FIVE T 28, YEAR FIVE AND T 29 BLUE IN YEAR FIVE.
AND THAT WAS YOUR MOTION AND EVAN? YES SIR.
I HAVE IT AS BLUE BUT I'LL STILL HAVE, OH, WE DID TALK ABOUT 2 28 MAKING THAT BE A COUNTY DEAL.
YOU GUYS WANNA MAKE THAT BLUE? YEP.
WELL WE, WE MOVING IT TO YEAR FIVE.
OKAY, SO THIS IS, WHICH IS WHY I DIDN'T WANT Y'ALL TO HAVE 17 OF THESE.
YEAH, BECAUSE SHE'S LIKE THE, BEFORE YOU MOVE OUT MY JOB 28.
SO YOU GOT 20 WE CHANGING TO BLUE AND MOVING TO YOUR FIVE TAXES AND RIGHT, RIGHT.
THAT'S AN MEGA SITE THAT GOES NORTH AND TIME DO 30.
SO 31, THAT'S THE ONE THAT TO ME IS ANOTHER DEVELOPER DRIVEN ONE.
UH, BLUE AND PUSH OUT EVERYONE BLUE AND PUSH OUT BLUE.
EDC CAN PAY FOR THAT OR DEVELOPER 31 NORTH SOUTH.
ALRIGHT, SO T 34 IS 1616 NORTH FROM LIVE OAK TO LIME.
SO BASICALLY THE OTHER ONE WAS LIVE OAK SOUTH TO 79.
THIS IS LIVE OAK NORTH LANDMARK.
THIS IS, THIS IS JUST WHITENING 1660.
I BELIEVE SO, BUT LET ME LOOK IT UP AND TELL YOU I'M NEVER GONNA BE IN FAVOR OF THAT.
'CAUSE THERE'S, I DON'T SEE ONE, I DON'T SEE THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THE IDEA IS TO TAKE ALL THE FRONT YARDS.
SUPPOSED TO MOVE, BASICALLY MOVE 1660 OVER EVENTUALLY AND MAKE 16 TO 60.
CURRENTLY GO BACK TO RESIDENTIAL.
SO LIKE A THOROUGH PAIR ALL 1660 NORTH TO ER LOOP.
THAT'S NOT ONE I'M LOOKING FOR.
LIVE OAK TO LI LOOP IS WIDENING FROM A, FROM A CATEGORY TWO, WHICH IS A TWO LANE TO THREE U, WHICH WOULD BASICALLY HAVE THE MIDDLE TURN LIGHTS, WHICH THOSE PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAYS.
I SAY, WHAT DO YOU GUYS SAY ABOUT MOVING UP OUT AT LEAST FIVE YEARS? TWO YEAR FIVE GOT NO, THAT'S ANOTHER THING TO KNOW.
35 IS EMORY CROSSING AND BOULEVARD EXTENSION.
SO NOW WE'RE NORTH ON CR ONE 19.
RIGHT? THAT EMERY CROSS NO FALLS.
IS IT NORTH? YEAH, THAT AND SO EMORY CROSSING, WHAT IS IT? A T INTERSECTION WHERE ONE 19 NOW FURTHER WEST EMORY CROSSING GOES BETWEEN EDGE SMITH.
WHAT IS THE, WHAT'S THE EXTENSION? WHERE'S IT EXTENDING TO EXTENDING TO 16.
CURRENTLY THERE'S ABOUT 75 TO A HUNDRED FOOT GAS BETWEEN 1616 NORTH.
WHAT? THAT'S WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS.
YOU DO NOT COMPLETE THAT UNTIL A TRAFFIC STUDY AND XDO BLESSES OFF RIGHT ON A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE.
IT'S GOTTA BE A GAS ROUNDABOUT.
IT'S GOTTA BE MORE THAN THAT THOUGH.
YOU BECOMING MY FAVORITE COUNCIL.
THE SHORT ROAD WHERE YOU START.
WE JUST APPROVED THE OTHER PHASES.
COMPLETE ROUTE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
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JAMES, WE'RE ON 1935.THEY'RE SAYING CROSSING BOULEVARD EXTENSION.
THEY'RE SAYING IT'S 75 FEET SHORT.
BUT WE, THAT DEVELOPER IS SUPPOSED TO BE REBUILDING THAT AND, AND TYING INTO THAT AS SOON AS THEY GET IT FIXED WITH TEXTILE.
BUT THAT ONE, THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WERE MAD ABOUT IS SOMETHING'S HELD UP AT YEAH, I BELIEVE YOU'RE RIGHT.
I'M GETTING UP THERE TO GO LOOK.
YEAH, EMORY CROSSING BOULEVARD.
YEAH, IT IS STOPPING AT LAVACCA RIVER, WHICH IS THE CROSS OTHER CROSSROAD.
SO IT'S STOPPING JUST SHORT AT 1660.
BUT THEY ARE PUTTING IN A RED LOT THERE AND BUILDING THAT OUT.
WE DON'T NEED THAT PROJECT ANYMORE.
YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT PATRICIA? ALL THAT INFORMATION.
THIS IS EVERY CROSS BOULEVARD EXTENSION THAT OUT.
ALRIGHT, SO THE DEVELOPERS FINISHED IN THE ROAD.
THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE SIGNAL OR RIGHT HAND TURN OR SOMETHING? IT'S SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TALKING TO ME AND JAMES ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GONNA, BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS SCRATCHING IT BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE DEVELOPER.
YEAH, IT'S, WELL, AND PATRICIA JUST SAID WE'RE NOT EVEN DOING THE EXTENSION 'CAUSE THEY, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DID IT.
UH, 1660 AND EMORY CROSSING BOULEVARD COMPLETION.
IT SAYS THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.
UH, TEXT DOT'S BEEN IN REVIEW OF THE PLANS.
UH, WE BELIEVE WE'RE NEAR THE END OF ADDRESSING COMMENTS.
WE'LL NEED TO EXECUTE THE DONATION AGREEMENT, PAID FEES, EXISTING UTILITIES THAT NEED TO BE RELOCATED, INCLUDING IN GENERAL.
WATERLINE ENGINEERS BEEN RELEASED TO PREPARE THE BID DOCUMENTS, UM, PORTIONS BEING COMPLETED BY D HORTON FOR MUSTANG CREEK.
MUSTANG CREEK ACROSS THE 1660.
SO THEY'RE GONNA BID TOGETHER AND THEY'RE GONNA CONSTRUCT AT THE SAME TIME AT THE SAME CONTRACTOR.
SO THAT GETS IMPROVED TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME.
DOES IT NEED TO STAY ON HERE FOR SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW HOW SOME OF THESE PROJECTS ARE ON HERE THAT WE NEVER INTEND TO DO, BUT THEY'RE
IF YOU TAKE IT OFF, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO IN, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COLLECT IMPACT FEES.
NEED TO PUSH IT BLUE FIVE IN BLUE, NOT MAKE IT BLUE.
AND THEN THAT MEANS DEVELOPER TION.
BLUE AND FIVE MAN, THE MORE BLUE I SEE, THE BETTER I'M FEELING.
I GUESS FIRST WE HAD TO GET EVERYTHING IN ORDER AND THEN ONCE THEY GOT IN ORDER THEN WE COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHO'S BEING FOUR.
T 36, YOUR MAIN HIPPO EXTENSION EAST.
AND THAT'S GOING EAST FROM WHERE IT CURRENTLY SITS OUT TO 1 33.
BUT NOW WE'RE GOING OUT INTO THE COUNTY AGAIN.
RIGHT, BECAUSE RIGHT PAST THE SCHOOL YOU HIT FOUR THAT'S BEING BUILT BY IT'S ALREADY BEING BUILT.
SO THAT NEEDS TO JUST BE BLUE AND PUSHED OUT.
I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE MAP FROM THE SKY AND IT'S, IT'S, THEY'VE ALREADY GOT THE ROAD CUT IN ALL THE WAY TO 1 33 BLOOD PRESSURE COMING DOWN.
SO THAT'S, LOOKS LIKE PRAIRIE WINDS IS DOING IT.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT 2 37? I'M STILL TALKING ABOUT HIPPO.
OH, MAIN HIPPO LOOKS LIKE IT'S PRAIRIE WINDS THAT'S DOING IT.
WE'VE BEEN PUSHING AS MUCH AS THE
ALRIGHT, SO NOW WE'RE AT T 37.
UH, OKAY SO THAT'S THE EAST SIDE OF LEMAR LOOP.
THIS IS THE DEAL WHERE YOU'RE STILL WAITING TO GET THE ICE STUDIES BACK, RIGHT? NO, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE DIDN'T REALLY STUDY 1660 EAST.
WE DID 1660 WEST ON LE DID THIS INCLUDE THE POTENTIAL JUSTICE CENTER THERE AS WELL? YES IT WOULD.
THAT PROJECT WOULD AFFECT THE JUSTICE CENTER OR VICE VERSA, HOWEVER, WANNA LOOK AT IT? YEAH.
ALRIGHT, SO LEAVE THAT ONE FOR NOW.
WHAT'D YOU DO? LEAVING IT LEAVING ITT 38, 16 60 NORTH FROM LIMERICK TO SIERRA 100.
WE PUSH EVERYTHING ELSE OUT ON 1660.
IS THIS ANOTHER ONE? BECAUSE WE PUSHED THE TWO BELOW HIM.
IT'S JUST NOT THE HIGH SCHOOL.
ZERO 100 IS THE ONE AT THE WATER TOWER.
SO WE'RE NOT WIDENING THE REST OF 1660.
SO DO WE NEED TO WIDEN HERE? NOW THIS IS A SECTION THAT MEAN I KNOW, I KNOW IT GETS REALLY BACKED UP.
I DUNNO IF THIS IS AFFECTED BUT THAT'S WHERE ISD
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SAID THEY DID NOT WANT TO PUT A SIDEWALK.I THINK THAT'S, NO, I THINK THAT WHERE THEY DON'T WANNA DO THAT'S NORTH OF THEIR SCHOOL, CORRECT? RIGHT AROUND THE BED.
THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS SOUTH FROM THE WATER TOWER DOWN TO LIER LOOP.
SO THERE'S NOT THE PART YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR SIDEWALKS FROM THE WATER TOWER DOWN TO LIER LOOP.
BUT THE CURVE IS THE SIDEWALK FROM FIRE BY TO 100.
SIERRA 100 IS SOUTH OF THE WATER TOWER? NO, NORTH IT'S NORTH JAG PARK? NO, IT'S, IT GOES EAST WEST 100.
SO I WOULDN'T BUMP THAT QUIET.
'CAUSE I THINK WHEN THEY BUILD WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING A ANOTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BACK OFF OF HIPAA WAY AND THEY'RE BUILDING A, A WHOLE HIGH SCHOOL THERE.
SO SOMETHING TELLS ME AT SOME POINT IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE WIDE WIDENED.
I WOULDN'T WIDE SOUTH OF LIMMER.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE PEOPLE WANT A HIGHWAY RUNNING THROUGH THE OLDEST PART OF DOWNTOWN.
BUT ALL THE TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE FUTURE LIMMER.
NOW IT SAYS THAT 1616 NORTH FROM COUNTY ROAD 100 TO COUNTY ROAD 1 33 IS ITS OWN SEGMENT AND THAT IS TO WIDEN AND UH, FIX THE NEW INTERSECTION CONFIGURATIONS.
WHENEVER I LOOK AT THE MAP, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO UH, MIDDLE TURN LANES.
ONCE YOU GET BEYOND 1 33 IT GOES TO JUST TWO LANES.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT ONE'S PROBABLY CALLED OUT SEPARATELY.
IS THIS RIGHT BY COVERT? YEAH.
SO BASICALLY PASSING THE, PASSING THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTY AND GOING THE REST OF THE WAY.
THERE MIGHT BE SOME DEVELOPER PARTICIPATION TOO.
THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S
WE WANNA STOP THERE AND TAKE A VOTE.
SO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TAKE P 23 TO YEAR FIVE.
FIRST 31 P 31 BLUE IN YEAR FIVE.
YEAR FIVE E 35 BLUE IN YEAR FIVE.
SO HE 40 15 60 SOUTH FROM FRONT TO CARL STERN.
SO IF WE DO THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A MINUTE, IF WE DO, WHERE IS THAT ONE? THE INTERSECTION OF 1660 AND CARL TURNT 30.
THAT RELATES TO T 30? YEAH, THAT'S GOING TO T 30.
SO 40 IS BETWEEN CARL STERN AND FRONT STREET.
SO WHAT COMES FIRST? THE WHITE, TO ME, THE INTERSECTION COMES FIRST AND THE WIDENING COMES SECOND.
RIGHT? 'CAUSE IF YOU WIDEN IT, YOU PUSH MORE TRAFFIC TO THE INTERSECTION.
IT'S NOT DOING ANOTHER MOVE THAT ONE OUT.
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T 41 DIFFER FROM T? YEAH, I'VE BEEN LOOKING, UH, I CAN'T, I, I CAN'T TELL.UM, IT'S THE, THE T 28 AND T 41.
SO T 28 WAS THAT 33 MILLION NUMBER TURNED IT BLUE.
I CAN, I CAN FIND THE $19 MILLION NUMBER IN HERE, BUT I CANNOT FIND THE 1 32, 1 33 EXPANSION FOR 33 MILLION.
WHAT I'M GUESSING IS THAT'S PROBABLY THE HU ARTERIAL THAT IS JUST THE REALIGNMENT OF THAT ONE SEGMENT.
AND THAT THE DEVELOPER'S BEEN DOING THAT ALREADY.
RIGHT? THAT'S NOT THE REALIGNMENT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE DEVELOPER IS, IS PAYING FOR THE COMPLETE REALIGNMENT.
UM, I JUST THOUGHT THEY'VE DONE SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON THERE.
HOLD ON, LET ME, UM, WELL IT'S, THERE'S REALLY NO WAY FOR ME TO DO THIS IF, IF IT DON'T MATTER BECAUSE HERE'S THE THING, WE'RE NOT GONNA BUMP IT UP 'CAUSE IT'S DEVELOPER.
SO YEAH, I WANNA SHARE, BUT LET ME, LET ME DO THIS INSTEAD.
LET ME JUST SEND THIS TO YOU AND THEN YOU JUST PULL IT UP AND I'LL, THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO YEAH.
DON'T READ ALL THE OTHER NASTY THINGS I SAID ALBERTA.
I DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT A MEETING, I DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT A MEETING WHERE STAFF WAS LIKE TEAMING BACK AND FORTH THAT WAS ON THE SCREEN THAT THE DEVELOPERS SAW YOU GUYS COMMUNICATING
YOU SEE 1 32 AT THE TOP AND YOU SEE 1 32 AT THE BOTTOM.
AND 1 33 IS CUTTING OFF AT AN ANGLE.
IT'S THAT, IT'S BUILDING THAT SEGMENT THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY IS THROUGH THERE.
WE, WE'VE BEEN DESIGNING THAT IN THAT.
SO WE'VE BEEN DESIGNING THIS FOR THAT ALIGNMENT TO, BUT THAT I THINK IS JUST THAT CONNECTION.
WHEREAS THE MORE EXPENSIVE ONE IS LIKE BUILDING THE REST OF THE SEGMENT.
UH, I THOUGHT THE EXPANSION WAS UP UNTIL THIS POINT BECAUSE THE INTERSECTION AT US, 79 AND 1 32 IS GONNA BE EXPANDED.
AND CURRENTLY IT'S A TWO LANE ROAD.
UH, IT, IT VERY WELL COULD BE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO INTERPRET BASED OFF OF, I GUESS SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD.
IF YOU, IF YOU SCROLL THE MAP UP AND SO WE CAN SEE FURTHER SOUTH, THEN IT COULD VERY WELL BE FROM THAT CONNECTION THAT WE WERE GONNA DO UP AT AN ANGLE THE REST OF THE WAY DOWN.
IT COULD BE THAT, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT LY SO WE WERE TOLD THE EXPANSION WAS VERSUS THE REALIGNMENT.
AND I THINK THE EXPANSION WAS FOR THE RETAIL CENTERS FROM 79 NORTH ON 1 32 AT LOWER SECTION.
WELL, IT CAN BE WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT IT TO BE.
BUT I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA NEED, YOU'RE GONNA NEED SOME DOLLARS FOR, FOR COTTONWOOD.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE US OR DEVELOPER.
WELL I KNOW THE LONG TERM PLAN IS FOR TECH STOCK TO TAKE THAT 1 32.
WELL THE THING IS, I WANNA SAY THAT'S NOT EXACTLY THE CASE.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
THAT WAS NEVER A RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
I MEAN THAT BE OVER AND MOVING.
THE COUNTY HAS FOR WHATEVER REASON HAS BEEN PUSHING ALL THIS REALIGNMENT IS RERO
LIKE WE'RE OKAY WITH 1660 AND AVA SAID TODAY IT'S NOT AS EASY, JUST BUILD A NEW ROAD AND GO, WE'LL JUST SWITCH.
SO THEY'RE LIKE, THAT IS A COUNTY DRIVEN THING, WHICH WAS NEWS TO US.
'CAUSE WE KEEP BEING TOLD IT'S A TDOT AND THEY'RE LIKE, IT'S NOT US.
SO THAT'S NEW INFORMATION TODAY.
SO I'M JUST THINKING THOUGH, BECAUSE OF THE FIDELIS DEVELOPMENT AND THEN ALSO THE PUBLIC, THE JUSTICE CENTER THERE PARTNER THAT FROM 79 TO LIMMER, THAT NEEDS TO BE A MAJOR FUNCTIONAL TRANSPORTATION.
SO WHETHER IT GOES NORTH OF THAT, BUT THE THING IS, IS IF TECH STOCK COMES IN AND SAYS IN FOUR YEARS, HYPOTHETICALLY THAT, OH WE'RE GONNA TAKE THIS OVER.
WE, WE'VE JUST DONE ALL THAT
BUT I DON'T WANNA GO SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY ALL THE WAY, ALL THE WAY TO THE SIX.
THEY'RE GONNA GO IN AND TAKE OVER THAT AND MAKE IT SIX SIX AND NOW THEY CAN BUILD IT ALL ON THEIR DIET.
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79 TO ME OR LIMB OR WHATEVER IT IS, NEEDS TO BE THAT NEEDS TO BE US.AND WHAT I US UH, THE, UH, THE TOURS, THE DEVELOPER.
NOW WE JUST GOT DONE DOING UP TO 100.
NOW WE'RE TALKING 100 YOU SAID WAS NORTH OF THE WATER TOWER.
SO WE'RE GOING NORTH OF THE WATER TOWER.
WATER TOWER EAST AND GOING EAST.
WE'RE NOT IN THE CITY AT THIS POINT.
ARE WE AT THE SCHOOL, IN THE SCHOOL TO HIDE THE FURTHEST NORTH, NORTH CITY GOES RIGHT NOW SO THAT THAT'S RUNNING ALONG THE, THE SCHOOL AND THE BUS BARN.
THE BUS BARN DOWN TO THE CEMENT MIXING PLACE.
SO I GONNA OPPOSED TO MOVING THAT TO YEAR FIVE? NO, PROBABLY.
AND AGAIN, JUST, JUST, IS THIS BEING TAPED LIKE FOR PEOPLE LIKE THE PUBLIC WISE SHOULD BE, YEAH.
SO JUST FOR THEIR INPUT WE HAVE TO HAVE EVERY ROAD PROJECT ON HERE TO COLLECT IMPACT FEES.
BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN, THE REASON WE'RE MOVING 'EM TO MEAN IS LACK OF IMPORTANCE.
NO REASON SOME OF THESE ARE ON HERE IS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN B 43 IS
IT JUST LITERALLY GOT BUILT FIVE YEARS AGO THAT I DRIVE THAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOT NEAR THE TRAFFIC.
THE REST OF THE CITY OF CN ROAD.
NO, I'D RATHER SEE CARL STERN WIDEN AND THEN NINE WIDEN NEW PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE SOME TRAFFIC.
THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO GO FROM A FOUR LANE TO A SIX, WHICH IS THREE LANE DIVIDED.
16 NORTH FROM 1 33 TO CHANDLER.
NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS AT THIS TIME, RIGHT? UH, LEMME LOOK.
BECAUSE THAT'S NORTH OF, WE JUST, THAT'S NORTH OF THE WATER TOWER.
THAT'S WHERE IT TURNS BACK NORTH OUT.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT UH, SO YOU BUMP THAT UP YEAR 5, 16 60 SOUTH ON CARL STERN AT 1 37 SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION.
SO WE DID, OKAY, SO WE BUMPED THE NORTH.
SO THE QUESTION QUESTIONS DO WE WANT, WE'RE GONNA DO THE INTERSECTION IN YEAR THREE.
YOU SAID WE'RE BUMPING THE NORTH SIDE TO YEAR FIVE.
SO THE SOUTH SIDE I'LL GO YEAR FIVE TOO, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THEN SO THEN YOU'D HAVE AN INTERSECTION BUILT AND THEN YOU'D WIDE THE REST OF THE ROAD AFTER THAT.
I WAS THINKING ON STAGGERING THOSE, THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION DIFFERENT YEARS IS SO THAT THE ENTIRE THING ISN'T JAMMED UP FOR EVERYONE IN, IN RIVER WALK AND CROSS.
SO YOU GO BEYOND YEAR FIVE IF YOU COULD.
WHAT? JUST STAGGERING THOSE SO THAT WE'RE NOT DOING IT AT ONE TIME.
DO YOU, DO Y'ALL HAVE A PRIORITY OF WHICH ONE? THE, THE MOST SIDE OF THAT OR THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT FIRST? THE NORTH.
IT KIND OF WENT OUT THE WINDOW.
AND WE'LL STAGGER ONCE WE GET WHICH ONE'S GETTING STAGGERED.
WHAT'S THAT? NOT YET STAGGERED.
YEAH, WE CAN STAGGERED BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE BEYOND YEAR FIVE.
T 46 AND T 79 IS THE INTERSECTION.
EDGE SCHMIDT TWO END AT LIVE OAK.
AND THAT ONE I WOULDN'T MOVE 'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S UH, THE ALIES.
SO NOT TO RETRADE, BUT JUST INTERESTINGLY SINCE I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP, THE T 44 1 33 2 CHANDLER ON, ON 1660 IS IN THE CITY LIMITS.
REALLY THE ONLY PART THAT'S NOT IS RIGHT WHERE 1 33 TIES IN.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ANNEX EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF 1660, BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH OF CHANDLER.
WE DON'T WORRY ABOUT REACHING WITH ME LIKE FIVE PEOPLE THAT UP THERE.
YEAH, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT JUST THE COUNTY.
I WOULDN'T MOVE THAT ONE 'CAUSE WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE STUDIES ON THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU MIGHT AS WELL ADD IT A ONE IN FRONT OF THAT NUMBER.
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THAT'S TO FIND A NEW WAY TO GET THE ONE OUT THERE.SOUNDS LIKE THESE GUYS WERE CUT OUT.
I WOULDN'T MESS WITH THAT EITHER.
E 49 IS 1660 SOUTH AT 1 37 EAST WILCO HIGHWAY THAT IS BEYOND THE TREATMENT PLANT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
YEAH, THAT'S FROM 1 37 EAST TOWARD THE TREATMENT PLANT TO THE THAT OUT HERE FIVE.
NO AND STOP THERE 'CAUSE THAT'S THE
SO YEAH, SO, OKAY, SO WE'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE T 40 TO GO TO YEAR FIVE.
YEAR FIVE T FOUR THREE YEAR FIVE T 44 YEAR FIVE T 45 YEAR FIVE AND T 49.
YEAR FIVE, WHICH MEANS OUT OF THE FORTIES, 41 STAYS 46, 47 AND 48 ALL STAY.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALRIGHT.
HE 15 MAIN HIPPO FROM 1660 TO CR 100.
WE JUST HAD A MAIN HIPPO, MAIN HIPPO NORTH.
SO THAT, THAT ONE IS GOING WEST OF 1660 ACROSS WHAT IS NOW FARMLAND AND CONNECTING TO CR 100.
IS THAT, I'M NOT SAYING IS THAT ONE, THAT ONE GOING WHERE? WHY DID YOU SAY IT? RICK IS GONNA RUN SOUTH OF THE FIREFLY DEVELOPMENT WEST.
AND YOU'RE HEADING NORTH? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
YEAH BECAUSE I BE, THE ONLY WAY THAT'S GETTING BELT IS IF IT DEVELOP.
BUT SHOULD THAT BE TWO COUNTY ROAD ONE 19? UH, IT'S ACTUALLY COUNTY ROAD 100.
WE, WE UH, WE WENT AROUND AND AROUND ON THAT.
IF IT WAS ONE NINE, IT'S GOING.
YEAH, WE WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO ONE 19 AS WELL.
WE CAN JUST DELETE THAT ONE OFF.
WELL AGAIN, WE GOTTA KEEP IT 'CAUSE FOR IMPACT FEES, RIGHT? I I YEAH THAT'S FINE.
T 51 IS LIER LOOP FROM COVERT TO SIERRA 100.
SO THAT'S ALL GONNA BE, TO ME THAT'S THE DEVELOPER DRIVEN ALSO BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE EAST SIDE OF TOWN.
WE'RE NOT EVEN INTO THE CITY LIMITS AT THIS POINT.
IT SHOULD MAKE YOU GUYS BUDGET STUFF EASIER THEN YOU COULD JUST, WHEN STAFF MEETS WITH DEVELOPERS, LIKE YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT PLACE TO PUT A ROAD.
YOU THINK IT'S GONNA BE BY THE WAY, HAVE FUN.
YOU'RE PAYING FOR IT BECAUSE I REALLY TO THE POINT TO WHERE IF THE CITY DOESN'T GROW ANYMORE, UNLESS SOMEONE BUILDS A ROAD, I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE ON THE NEW PEOPLE, NOT THE OLD PEOPLE.
BUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS, UNLESS THE DEVELOPERS REALLY INCENTIVIZED TO DO IT, THEY'RE GONNA CLAIM THEIR PROPORTION SHARE AND GONNA BE A FRACTION OF THE ACTUAL COST OF BUILDING THAT ROAD.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO GET IT BUILT THE RIGHT WAY.
YOU GUYS ARE AFRAID HOW TO GET IT DESIGNED AND YEAH, WE CAN DESIGN IT.
WE HAVE TO INCENTIVIZE OR SOMETHING, BUT YEAH.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH, ALL OH YEAH, I KNOW VIGNETTE.
LIKE, HEY, WE NEED THIS 29 MILLION ROAD BILL DEVELOP AND BE LIKE, WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR 20% OF THAT WHATEVER.
WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA APPROVE YOUR PROJECT 10.
IT'S ALREADY APPROVED BY RIDE OR WHATEVER.
NORTH SOUTH EXTENSION FROM 1 32 TO EAST WILCO HIGHWAY.
THIS GOES SOUTH, RIGHT? THIS IS SOUTH PARK.
SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT COMES THROUGH THE STROMBERG ON THE EAST SIDE OF STROMBERG.
I'VE DEFINITELY DEVELOPER DRIVEN 'CAUSE HE ALREADY TOLD ME HE, HE THINKS HIS PITCH IS SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR THAT.
I CAN KEEP YOU ENTERTAINED AND THIS NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.
I DON'T WANT ANYBODY THINKING OF, I I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION WHEN YOU TOLD ME WE'RE NAMING THIS AFTER YOU.
YEAH, I THINK YOU, THAT MIGHT BE MY FIRST POST.
BUT THAT'S THE, SO THAT'S FROM
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RIGHT ACROSS THE NORTH SIDE OF THE TOYOTA.BETWEEN TOYOTA AND SO SDH DOWN THE NORTH IT SHOULD BE, BUT IT IS ALSO SHARING A BORDER WITH THE, UH, COLLEGE EVERYONE.
THE ONE THAT FIVE, UH, T 54 THAT WAS MEGA SITE ATTENTION FROM THE, THE END TO SIERRA 1 32.
THAT I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN DO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO RENAME IT, BUT WITH SKYBOX THERE, WE CAN'T CONNECT THAT OVER TO DO ANYMORE LIKE WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED.
SO WE JUST, I'LL JUST PUT NOTE.
WE NEED TO DELETE THAT 'CAUSE THAT'S WHY THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO, BUT THEN WE YEAH, BUT WE CAN'T BELIEVE IT.
UH, SO T 55 IS CARL STERN CAR.
WE GET TO MEGA SITE NORTH, SOUTH.
SO WE ALREADY MADE THE FIRST SECTION FROM THE END TO CARNEGIE BE BLUE IN FIVE YEARS.
THERE'S PROBABLY BE THE SAME, RIGHT? 55.
WHICH JUST IS ACTUALLY I THINK RIGHT TREND THE WAY WE SAID BECAUSE THESE PROJECTS WE ADDED THEM ON.
THESE AREN'T THE MOST CRITICAL ONES.
SO THESE ARE MORE FEATURED IN THE EPJ.
AND, AND ISN'T, UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE HOLT'S PROJECT AT DOWN THERE TOO.
THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING THE CROSS SEGMENT IN THEIR PROPERTY.
SO YOU COULD JUST MAKE THIS GO FROM CARUE TO THERE.
YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE TOO.
SO FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW WHERE CARUE IS, IT IS BASICALLY, BY THE WAY, THE CROW FLIES THREE OR FOUR BLOCKS EAST OF WHERE CARL STERN CURRENTLY DEAD ENDS AT LUCAS'S HOUSE.
SO IF YOU WENT LIKE FOUR BLOCKS, THAT'S CARUE.
AND THEN FROM THERE TO 1 34 IS UH, 2,600 FEET.
AND THEN FROM 1 34 TO 33 49, IS THAT WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO? THIS SAYS TO THE NORTH SOUTH MEGA SITE EXTENSION.
OH, MEGA SITE EXTENSION WOULD BE RIGHT ABOUT HERE.
THAT'S ANOTHER 2000 FEET OR 3000 FEET.
IT IS KIND ONE 18 FROM ONE 30 TO EDGE SCHMIDT.
SO FIRST WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CALLING EDGE SCHMIDT.
WE'RE CALLING CR ONE 19 EDGE SCHMIDT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE NAME OF THAT ROAD.
SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO UPDATE THIS TO WHERE ANYTHING NORTH OF THE LIME IS KIND ONE 18.
WE YOU, YOU HAVE A PROPOSITION OR A THINK ABOUT US RENAMING COUNTY ROADS.
I MEAN GO GOOGLE HAS IT EDGE SCHMIDT ALL THE WAY UP TO CHANDLER.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACCURATE.
OTHER IMAGINE PURPOSES HAVE IT AS SIERRA ONE 19.
WE JUST MIGHT WANNA VERIFY THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, WHERE DOES ONE 18? ONE 18 IS RIGHT WHERE THE AFFORDABLE STORAGE STARTS.
OH, SO THAT'S REALLY ROUND ROCK.
AFFORDABLE STORAGE IS ROUND ROCK RIGHT HERE.
WE DID A LOT OF ROCK CONSTRUCTION LIKE STORAGE, LIKE NATURE MILES, QUARTER MILE.
SO CAN YOU GUYS VERIFY THAT THAT'S EVEN IN OUR ETJ UH, CHECKIN RIGHT NOW? I THINK THE OPUS DEVELOPMENT IS COMING IN RIGHT THERE ON ONE 19 ALSO.
SO WE CAN ONLY DO ONE SIDE STORAGE.
SO YOU HAVE AN OBJECTION TO BUMPING THAT OUT TO YOUR FILE? NO, NO.
UM, T 57 CR 100 FROM EDGE SCHMIDT TO 1660.
WHERE'S THIS PHONE AT? SAY THAT AGAIN, I'M SORRY.
CR 100 FROM EDGE SCHMIDT TO 1660.
THAT'S SOMETHING CUT THROUGH WHATEVER THAT NAME.
THAT'S JUST NORTH OF THE HIGH SCHOOL.
RIGHT? 100 IS RIGHT THERE AT THE, OKAY.
SO 100 CONNECTS INTO ONE 18 ON THE NORTH.
SO IT'S BASICALLY ONE 18 EAST.
ALRIGHT, SO FIVE YEARS ON THAT ONE.
D 58 FM 1616 NORTH FROM CHAND ETJ.
THAT'S TO ME DEFINITELY A FIVE YEAR.
'CAUSE NOW WE'RE GOING NORTH OF SIX,
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NOW WE'RE GOING NORTH OF CHANDLER.AND THE ETJ GOES, WHICH IS ALL THE WAY TO THE RIVER NORTH OF CHANDLER.
YEAH, IT'S REAL GOOFY UP THERE.
1660 SOUTH FROM EAST WILCO HIGHWAY TO ETJ.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A TECH STOP PROJECT.
WE GOT D 60 EVEN GO FROM, I KNOW THERE'S LIKE TWO MORE.
T 60 AND I WROTE ONE 30 FROM 100 TO CHANDLER.
AND THEN T 65, 1 32 FROM 1 32 TO 1660.
WE HAVE THAT AS BLUE AND DEVELOPER.
SO WE CAN BUMP THAT AND KEEP IT BLUE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THEN WE HAVE, IT SHOULD BE YELLOW.
ALL OF THE SIDEWALK SHOULD BE YELLOW.
OH, THE REMAINING SHOULD BE THE REMAINING SIDEWALK.
YOU SEE ANY OTHER CHANGES? THE REST OF THESE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES.
SO OUR, OUR THINKING WITH THE SIDEWALKS WAS PUT THAT IN THE SIDEWALK YEARLY FUND.
HOWEVER, YOU DON'T HAVE TO EARMARK, OH, WE'RE GONNA DO CHURCH STREET OR WE'RE GONNA DO BOSTON STREET.
WE'VE GOT X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS IN THE SIDEWALK FUND.
WE CAN DO WHATEVER SIDEWALK WE WANT TO.
BUT WE'RE NOT PUSHING 'EM OUT.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TAKE P 50 BLUE AND PUSH OUT YEAR FIVE P 51 BLUE YEAR 5 2 52 BLUE YEAR.
NOT PART OF THE MOTION, BUT YOU GUYS CAN DELETE IT.
YEAR FIVE AND 65 VERSUS BLUE TO YELLOW.
I THOUGHT WE WERE KEEPING IT BLUE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? MOVE IT OUT TO FIVE.
IS YEAR FIVE IN BLUE? UH, NO WE DIDN'T JUDGE YEAR FIVE.
ANY DISCUSSION OF DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE PLEASE THE VOTE.
MOTION PASSES THE SEVEN ZERO, THE WORST OF IT.
WE HAVE ONE PROJECT BETTER THAT'S DEVELOPED OR FUNDED FOR IRON REMOVAL SPONSOR.
I WOULDN'T CHANGE THAT UNTIL WE GET THE STUDIES BACK.
UH, THE ONLY PROJECT WE HAVE THAT REALLY, THERE'S TWO I GUESS IS WW 16, WHICH IS CENTRAL WASTEWATER EXPANSION.
THAT WE, WE SAID WE DON'T NEED THAT NOW, RIGHT? UH, LEMME SEE AT 16.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
BUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT NEEDS TO STAY.
YOU HAVE IT AT THE BYPASS TAKE? YEAH.
HUH? YOU HAVE THE CENTRAL REASON ON TREATMENT BYPASS.
I WOULD LEAVE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, I WOULD LEAVE THE PROJECT UNTIL WE GET IT DESIGNED AND WE KNOW WHAT THE NEW NUMBER IS.
UH, I DON'T THINK YOU ARE GONNA PUT THAT IN FIVE.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA KEEP IT RIGHT WHERE IT IS.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE EVERYTHING NORTH WAITING ON THAT TO BE BUILT FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO START COMING ONLINE.
OH, 'CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING IT IS NOT THE WE'RE EXPANDING, YOU'RE DOING THE
THE, THAT'S WW 26 IS A COTTONWOOD CREEK INTERCEPTOR PHASE ONE.
I, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.
LIKE FOR ME, I I DON'T MIND JUST LEAVING IT THERE BECAUSE I'LL KNOW THAT YOU DON'T YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.
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COTTONWOOD CREEK.THIS IS GOING FROM THE CENTRAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT NORTH UP ALONG AND PAST, UH, THE COTTONWOOD PARK.
SO THIS HAS BEEN PARTIALLY BUILT BY, UH, LENNAR WHENEVER THEY HAD TO BUILD UNDERNEATH THE RAIL.
THAT 42 INCH THAT, THAT LITTLE SEGMENT OF IT HAS BEEN BUILT.
BUT THIS IS GOING FROM THERE THE REST OF THE WAY NORTH.
UH, YES, IT'S GOING UP, UH, NORTH, NORTH COTTONWOOD CREEK BASIN.
SO IT'S GOING ACROSS LIMMER LOOP AND THEN CONNECTING I GUESS WHERE THE 15 INCH CURRENTLY STOPS.
I KNOW Y'ALL CAN'T SEE THE MAP BUT, UM, PROBABLY WE DON'T NEED TO MESS WITH IT NOW THEN.
OH WAIT, NO I THINK I'D LEAVE IT.
WE, SO THING I'D SAY THAT'S INTERESTING IS IF YOU LOOK AT OUR WATER, WE WENT FROM SPENDING A MILLION THIS YEAR.
WE ALREADY HAVE FUNDED 30 MILLION NEXT YEAR IN TOTAL.
WE ONLY HAVE 16 MILLION LEFT AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY WATER PROJECTS IDENTIFIED THAT WELL.
WHAT WE WILL LIKELY BE ADDING TO THIS IS THE, IS THE PROJECT WITH MANVILLE.
ONCE WE DETERMINE WHAT THAT IS GONNA BE YEAH.
AND THEN OUR WASTEWATER, WE BUILD EVERY ALONG THIS CREEK WE'VE SPENT THE NEXT TWO YEARS, WE'LL SPEND $200 MILLION IS ALREADY FUNDED.
ALL THESE OTHER INTERCEPTORS, ALL THESE UPGRADES, ALL THESE LINES TO WHERE ESSENTIALLY WE'RE ALMOST GETTING TO A POINT WHERE EVERYTHING ELSE IS DEVELOPER.
WE'RE, WE'RE DEVELOPER TO ALL OF OUR STUFF.
WE BUILT, WE HAVE THE MAIN LINES, EVERYTHING.
ONCE WE DO THE BYPASS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, BYPASSING THE CENTRAL PLANT AND WE DO THE, THE FULL EXTENSION UP INTO THAT COTTONWOOD BASIN, THEN EFFECTIVELY, I THINK BETWEEN BRUSHY CREEK FOUR AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE BUILT, WE EFFECTIVELY HAVE THE FOUNDATION, THE FOUNDATION DONE.
UM, THE QUESTION WAS WHAT IS THE, THE, THE DEAL WITH MANVILLE? SO WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH MANVILLE TO, TO TRY TO, UH, THEY'RE DOING A, THEY'RE DOING A STUDY RIGHT NOW TO DETERMINE WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR THEM TO BUILD ANOTHER DEDICATED LINE TO US.
SO THE WATER THAT WE HAVE PROCURED THROUGH RECHARGE, THAT WE CAN'T PHYSICALLY MOVE HERE BECAUSE OF, OF CAPACITY CONSTRAINTS ON OUR CURRENT PIPELINE.
THEY COULD POTENTIALLY MOVE THAT WATER TO US THROUGH THEIR SYSTEM.
SO THAT WOULD MAKE AVAILABLE ANOTHER ROUGHLY 2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY OF, OF PUTABLE WATER.
UM, BUT WE'RE IN THE STEADY PHASE FOR THEM TO DETERMINE WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES THEY WOULD NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO MOVE THAT AMOUNT OF WATER THROUGH THEIR SYSTEM TO US.
WE'LL SAY IT WAS GONNA COST US ABOUT $110 MILLION TO BUILD THE, THE PIPELINE OURSELVES WHILE BACK THERE.
LIKE SOMEONE TOLD ME, HEY, THAT PERSONALLY COSTS $300.
IT WAS LIKE THREE $99 WITH, LEMME TRY THAT AGAIN.
WHAT I SAID WAS IT WAS GONNA COST US 110 MILLION AND NOW IT'S PROBABLY GONNA COST 25 TO 30.
HOW TO MAKE IT TO WHERE WE GOTTA GET A DEVELOPER THERE.
YOUR HIGH, WE GOTTA GET THE GUYS DOWN THERE AT THE GATEWAY TO SOMEHOW GOTTA LOOK.
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HELP US GET THE WATER.
NO, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.
ALRIGHT, WELL THAT'S ALL CIP PROJECTS THAT I HAVE ON THE PAPER.
COULD BE THINGS THAT Y'ALL WANNA ADD.
DO YOU WANT IT TO BE CONSIDERED, THIS IS THE LIST WE'VE ONLY ADDED IN YOUR FIVE RIGHT NOW.
SO THESE, THIS IS THE LIST OF POTENTIAL PROJECTS OR IS THIS LIST? IT'S JUST THE SECOND, UH, THE SECOND DOCUMENT, THE BIGGER PAGE.
SO Y'ALL COULD DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO PROGRAM ANY OF THIS STUFF IN, IN YEAR FIVE OF ANY OF THE CATEGORIES.
WHAT, WHAT IS EAST? EVERYBODY PARK.
THAT'S WHERE THE PARK HEADQUARTERS IS GOING.
SO IT'S A PARK AND IT'S THE HEADQUARTERS.
WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT IT'S, IT'S PROPERTY THAT, UH, DURANGO FARMS DONATED THAT HAS TO BE USED FOR A PARK.
AND THE VISION HAS BEEN, THAT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL LOCATION FOR
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THE PART DAY QUARTER TO ALSO ALSO BE THERE.TO BE THERE AND HAVE, IT'S LIKE FIVE ACRES, SIX ACRES.
WHAT IS IT? IT'S LIKE THREE, THREE AND A HALF ACRES.
WELL I GOT A LITTLE EXCITED, BUT WHAT WAS THAT AT? THAT'S THE, THAT'S NUMBER EIGHT.
OH, EAST OF LIBERTY PARK IS A PARK HEADQUARTERS.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S WHERE IT HAS TO GO.
YEAH, WE HAVEN'T DECIDED THERE.
THE REASON I WAS CHOSEN TO COUNCIL MAJORITY OF THAT PARK IS NOT IN THE FLOODWAY.
SO WE CAN BUILD VERTICALLY ON IT.
I'LL CLOSE THESE MASTER PLANS 'CAUSE WE GOT PAST THEM SO Y'ALL CAN'T BE ASKING ANY QUESTIONS.
WE GOT STUFF HERE LIKE PROJECT TWO ON TRANSPORTATION.
I THINK THAT'S ALREADY ON HERE.
THAT'S WHITE EDGE SCHMIDT BOULEVARD FROM
I THINK YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT ON THIS LIST.
HOW WAS THIS LIST? ISN'T BEEN THAT? SOME MAY BE SOME, SOME WE WEREN'T SURE.
SO WE ADDED, YOU KNOW, LET THEM ON THERE FOR YOU TO DECIDE.
YEAH, I'M NOT READY TO ADD ANY, UH, WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL GO THROUGH ALL THIS AND TRY TO SEE IN TERMS OF, I MEAN ARGUABLY I THINK YOU, YOU, YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH, YOU GOT ENOUGH PROJECTS ON THE PLAN.
THIS WOULD BE OH, WE, WE MISSED THE CONNECTOR OR TITLE.
OR OR LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP IN THE COUNCIL IN THE PAST AND, AND MAYOR SAID THIS TOO, IS LIKE, WELL YOU IMPROVED THIS AND NOW MORE TRAFFIC'S GONNA GO THERE BUT YOU DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF THIS.
SO IT'S THAT, IT'S THAT SORT OF CONVERSATION STUFF FOR TRANSPORTATION TRAILS AND WHATNOT.
YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT PRETTY MUCH HAS BEEN, UH, IF WE CAN GET DEVELOPERS OR SPONSORS THEN WE'LL WE'LL FUND THOSE.
WHAT IS NUMBER 15 JAMES GRADE SEPARATION STUDY? WHAT IS THAT? UH, THAT WOULD BE, UH, CHRIS KELLY AND ED SCHMIDT.
GRADE SEPARATION AT SEVEN NINE WOULD BE A STUDY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T SPEND ANY MONEY ON THAT OR UNDER IT.
PROBABLY EASIER TO GO UNDER ACCORDING TO UPRR.
I MEAN, SOME OF THOSE THINGS I THINK WE REALLY GOTTA TALK ABOUT.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK, RICHARDSON HAS TWO, THEY WENT UNDER THE ROAD, I THINK THEY WENT UNDER 75.
IN ORDER TO GO UNDER THE DISTANCE, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK.
YOU HAVE TO GO BACK LIKE THAT.
IT SHORTER THAN GOING OVER THOUGH.
WELL I'M SAYING THE SAME PROBLEM.
BASICALLY YOU'RE GONNA TAKE YOUR BIGGEST COMMERCIAL AREA AND YOU HAVE TO WIPE IT ALL OUT.
IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOUR ACCESS GETS WIPED OUT FOR SURE.
AND SO, AND RICHARDSON, YOU SEE, UH, IT'S ALL DEAD.
THEY, THEY DID IT AND THEN EVERYTHING DIED AROUND IT.
'CAUSE IT'S ALL, YOU'RE BASED ON A ONE WAY ROAD AND NOBODY CAN GET AROUND TO IT.
SO EVERYTHING DIED AND SO YOU JUST HAVE ALL THIS LIGHT.
SO, UH, YOU COULD CROSS 75 REALLY QUICKLY.
YOU JUST LOST ALL YOUR COMMERCIALS.
THE, THE MORE CREATIVE SOLUTIONS THAT YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE POP UP ARE, THEY'LL, THEY'LL TUNNEL LOCK ONE LANE, THEY'LL LEAD THAT GRAY CROSSING AND THEY'LL TUNNEL ONE LANE UNDER THAT'S A THROUGH LANE AND COME UP THE OTHER SIDE.
AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT THE SAME WAY.
UH, VEGAS HAS A LOT OF THAT SORT OF STUFF.
CEDAR PARKS RAISING A RAIL LANE FOR LIKE A HALF A MILE FOR LIKE SOME OBSCENE AMOUNT.
AND I KNOW PEOPLE WANT US TO MOVE THE RAIL LINE AND WE'RE TALKING TEXT ABOUT THAT TODAY.
LIKE YOU, YOU STILL GOTTA GET THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF IF UH, 6 85 KELLY LANE HAD SOME CENTER LANES WENT UNDER, SO IN OTHER WORDS, THROUGH TRAFFIC.
AND THEN YOU STILL HAVE THE SURFACE INTERSECTION.
SO YOU DON'T FIX THE INTERCHANGE ENTIRELY, BUT YOU ALLOW THROUGH TRAFFIC.
TO BYPASS YOUR NORTH SOUTH THROUGH TRAFFIC GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH ED AND YOU'RE ONLY, AND AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO, UH, HAVE THE TAKE THING ONTO THE BURIED LINE.
THE TWO LINES THERE, THE TWO UH, ROADS, TWO WAY, THE SERVICE ROADS.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL.
WE CAN CALL UP ELON AND JUST HAVE HIM BUILD BY LITTLE TUNNEL CYCLE BOARD.
AUTOMATED, AUTOMATED CARS RUNNING COOL.
THE SIDEWALK, UH, ON THERE, CORRECT? OR WELL, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS UP THERE.
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THERE IS A SIDEWALK.I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT IT'S COMPLETED.
CHRIS KELLY IN FRONT OF THE BED HERE.
THEY DID NOT CONSTRUCT A SIDEWALK AND IT'S JUST, YOU HAVE TO WALK INTO THE GRASS.
I STOPPED WALKING THERE BECAUSE I RAN IN FOR A RAT.
THAT'S THE, UH, THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL, RIGHT? MM-HMM
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DIDN'T SEE IF THAT'S, THAT'S SOME OF THE STUFF WE USED TO DO IN THE OLD DAYS.
FOR WHATEVER REASON WE ALLOWED THEM TO BUILD THAT.
AND THEN THEY WEREN'T REQUIRED TO DO THE SIDEWALK.
WELL IT WAS ON THEIR APPROVED PLAN.
WELL THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M GONNA GO GET 'EM ON A SIDE PLAN BY SAY WE DID CHECK THAT IT WAS ON THE APPROVED PLAN FOR THE DAYCARE.
IT WAS APPROVED BY COUNTY AND BY UH, UH, HUDDLE.
BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
OH, WELL THAT WAS A SORE POINT WITH ME.
'CAUSE I'M LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE.
WE CONSTANTLY HAVE TO AT WORK, HAVE TO BUILD SIDEWALKS TO NOWHERE BECAUSE IT'S ALONG THE ROAD AND AT SOME POINT TIE IN.
SHE'S LAUGHING BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS TO GET THAT DONE.
SO YOU BUILD THOSE AND THAT'S ONE OF ARGUMENTS WE'VE HAD WITH THE ISD.
THEY DON'T WANNA BUILD SIDEWALKS ON THEIR SCHOOLS.
TODAY THE OTHER ONE THAT WE LET HAPPEN WAS ON CR 1 37 FROM THE APARTMENTS TO WHERE THEY HAVE TO CROSS TO GO TO THE SCHOOLS.
WELL I THINK WHAT WE MAY BE FIXING THAT IN OUR RECONSTRUCTION, LIKE AT 1 37, THE KIDS LITERALLY WALKING THE GRASS TO TRY TO GET TO SCHOOL.
WHICH IS, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THE GRASS.
LIKE I, I ONLY DEVELOPERS STOP WALKING IT NEAR A SCHOOL TO HAVE TO CONSTRUCT SIDEWALKS IF THEY'RE GONNA BE WITHIN A CERTAIN MILE SCHOOL.
LIKE HOW DO WE MAKE THAT HAPPEN? WHICH PART OF 1 37 DOESN'T HAVE SIDEWALKS FROM APARTMENTS? FROM THE APARTMENTS TO THE CROSSWALK.
HARLEY, THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ON THAT WEST SIDE OF TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT MM-HMM
RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE, UH, ACADEMY ACADEMY DID NOT CONSTRUCT THEIR SIDEWALK.
1 37, WHICH APARTMENTS DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS.
IT'S CALLED, WHAT IS THE NAME? APARTMENT? THE HEROES? YES.
NO, BUT FROM THERE WHERE THEY CROSS THE CONNECT IT DOES.
SO THAT PROBLEM IS YOU CAN'T MAKE SOMEONE BUILD SIDEWALKS ON PRIVATE PROPERTIES.
OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA HERE.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS HOW DO WE CHANGE IT TO WHERE IF A DEVELOPER IS GONNA BUILD WITHIN SO MANY MILES OF THE SCHOOL, ESPECIALLY, I MEAN RAY ELEMENTARY'S THERE TOO, UM, TO GET THEM TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR CONNECTING SIDEWALKS IF THEY'RE WITHIN SO MANY MILES OF THE SCHOOL.
SO, WELL, I WOULD SAY THIS HERE, HERE'S MY BIGGEST PROBLEM ON 37.
THAT THE THING IS THAT IT IS THAT THAT LAND NEXT, THAT EMPTY LAND IS STILL PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THAT'S WHY THEY, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO BUY THE LAND.
WHAT IS THE, WHAT WOULD BE A REMEDY FOR SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO BUY THE RIGHT AWAY? WELL SEE, HERE'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THE PROBLEM FOR ME IS YOU GOT FARLEY, THEY BUILT A SCHOOL WITH ZERO SIDEWALKS ON 1 37.
HAD WE FORCED THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO BUILD THE SIDEWALKS ON 1 37 PEOPLE COULD WALK DOWN 1 37, COME ACROSS TO THE NARROWS AND HAVE A SIDEWALK.
BUT INSTEAD WE, WE MAKE THE DEVELOPERS BUILD SIDEWALKS EVERY TIME THEY IT OFF, WE MAKE THEM BUILD SIDEWALKS.
AND EVERY TIME THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BUILDS A SCHOOL, WE FIGHT WITH THEM THAT YOU SHOULD BUILD SIDEWALKS TOO.
AND ONE OF THE ISSUES WE HAD UP HERE BY RAY MM-HMM
IS, I FORGOT HOW THIS HAPPENED.
THAT WHOLE, THAT WHOLE MIDDLE ROAD IN THERE IS ACTUALLY ISD LAND.
AND SO FARLEY AND RAY COME TOGETHER.
THERE IS, THERE IS NO PRIVATE LAND.
SO WHAT WE FINALLY WORKED OUT WAS, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JAMES, WE, I'M SORRY.
WE SUPPLY THE LABOR THAT SIDEWALK BETWEEN FARLEY AND RAY.
THEY SUPP SUPPLY THE MATERIALS.
BUT THAT WAS ANOTHER INSTANCE WHERE WE DIDN'T FORCE THE SCHOOL TO BUILD THE SIDEWALKS.
AND SO WHAT KEEPS HAPPENING IS, AND THIS IS HAPPENING UP ON, UM, THE SECOND HIGH SCHOOL.
THEY'RE NOT BUILDING SIDEWALKS UP AROUND THE CURVE.
AND SO WE KEEP ALLOWING THEM NOT TO DO THAT.
AND THEN WHEN THEY BUILD, BECAUSE THEIR ARGUMENT WAS THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T DO IT.
WE SAID, WELL THE DEVELOPER HAS SIDEWALKS ALL THE WAY UP.
THE SWINDLE LANE IS NOT A PUBLIC ROAD.
AND SO THE SIDEWALKS AND THE DEVELOPER, BUT THEN YOU NOTICE THEY STOP RIGHT WHEN THE SCHOOL STARTS.
THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS AGAIN ALL THE WAY ALONG.
SO JUST REMEMBER WE'RE, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT YOUR FIVE OF THE CIP JUST IN CASE WE GOT A LITTLE TANGENT
YOU DON'T NEED TO ADD THAT TO THE CIP IF IT WAS ACTUALLY ON THEIR SITE PLAN AND REQUIRED, WE WILL ENFORCE IT AND MAKE THEM GO BUILD IT.
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MORE BUSINESS OR WE ADJOURN MEMBERS? THANK YOU FOR THE INPUT AND UM, PRESENCE AND YEAH.AND I GUESS WHEN WE COME BACK IN JULY TO REORGANIZE THE WHOLE FIVE YEARS, I KNOW HOW CHANGE IT'LL BE.
BUT ANY INPUT YOU GUYS AFTER THAT'LL BE FOR US IS BEEN, UH, THAT'LL BE ADJOURN THEY WEEKEND.
SO WE'LL ADJOURN AT THE CITY COUNCIL AT 7 45.
AND RICK, YOU GOTTA ADJOURN IF YOU WANT.
OR WE'LL ADJOURN PLANNING AND ZONING.