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SIX O'CLOCK.[(EDC) Board Meeting/(CDC) Board Meeting on July 2, 2026.]
CALLED THE CITY COUNCIL JOINT MEETING WITH THEORDER ROLL CALL FOR CITY COUNCIL.
TURN OVER TO THE VICE CHAIR OF THE EDC.
UH, HOW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
NO PUBLIC COMMENT IN THAT PRESIDENT.
THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS ITEM 4 0 1.
DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO PROPOSED ROADWAY AND INTERSECTION PROJECTS IMPACTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO STATE HIGHWAY ONE 30 ACCESS ROAD CONNECTIONS, INNOVATION BOULEVARD, ALLIANCE BOULEVARD, AND THE LIVE OAK EXTENSION TO ED SCHMIDT AND CORRESPONDING INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AND HIGHWAY 79 AT CR 1 32 INTERSECTION.
SO I TOOK A PAGE FROM ENGINEERING CIP UPDATE, AND SO I'VE GOT THE SLIDES FOR THE LATEST AND GREATEST ON EACH OF THESE PROJECTS THAT THEY CORRELATE TO THE ONES LISTED.
UM, I WASN'T SURE WHAT THE DESIRED OUTCOME OF THE COLLABORATION TONIGHT IS, BUT I HAVE THE SLIDES UP HERE SO WE CAN SEE THE STATUS AND, AND ALL OF THAT INFORMATION FOR EACH ONE.
UM, SO I KNOW MAYOR, YOU HAD INDICATED THIS WAS A, AN ITEM YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS.
SO DID YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF LEVEL SETTING TO DO FOR THE GROUP AS FAR AS THE DESIRED OUTCOME? I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, UM, WHAT I SAID WHEN I SAID IT, BUT I THINK ULTIMATELY ANY PROJECTS THE TWO BOARDS CAN WORK TOGETHER ON TO GET THE MOST ROAD PROJECTS DONE THE FASTEST AT THE BEST PRICE.
I THINK ULTIMATELY EVERYBODY THAT'LL BE HAPPY WITH.
SO HOWEVER WE DO THAT, I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO IS ULTIMATE COMMUNICATION.
WHAT I WOULD OFFER UNDER THAT, UH, EXPECTATION IS THAT I KNOW THERE'S CURRENTLY CIP PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, DELEGATED TO THE EBC FOR CONTRACT MANAGEMENT.
UM, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH LEGAL AND THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE IN COUNSEL AS WELL.
UM, MAYBE ENGAGING IN A, AN EXPEDITED PROCUREMENT PROCESS, STILL EVALUATIONS, STILL SOME OF THOSE SAME EXPECTATIONS THAT WE USE AT THE CITY, BUT BEING ABLE TO EXPEDITE THAT PROCESS A LITTLE BIT AS WELL.
SO I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE BRING BACK AN OPTION FOR THAT PROCESS TO BOTH COUNCIL AND BOARD TO SEE IF THERE'S A COLLECTIVE, UH, SUPPORT FOR THAT.
SO YOU JUST SAID, I DON'T KNOW, PSYCHOLOGICAL COLLEGE WORDS, I MEAN, UM, EXPEDITED PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
SO RIGHT NOW, THE, UNDER THE MUNICIPAL PROCUREMENT POLICIES, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW CERTAIN STEPS.
THE EDC DOES NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW IT WITH THAT SPECIFIC TIMELINE OR EXPECTATION.
SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPEDITE THAT AS WELL AS MY UNDERSTANDING IS BEING FULL PROJECTS IS THAT YOU TAKE THE LOWEST QUALIFIED BID, WHEREAS THE EDC WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT VALUE OR WHATEVER.
SO WHEN YOU SAY PROCUREMENT, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BUYING UP AN ASPHALT AND REBAR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? CORRECT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BIDDING CONTRACT, WHAT WE DID ON THE OTHER ROAD.
I I'M STILL IN FAVOR OF I KNOW WHAT THE EDC CAN'T DO.
MY INTENTION WHEN I WAS VOTING FOR THIS WHOLE PROCESS WAS THAT WE'RE NOT CHANGING A LOT OF OUR PROCESSES IN TERMS OF BIDDING AND HOW WE BID AND ALL THAT.
WE'RE GOING MORE INTO HOW WE CAN HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE LOWEST QUALIFIED.
WE CAN TAKE THE ONE THAT MAYBE ALWAYS HITS A TIMELINE OR THAT COSTS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT CAN GET IT DONE A LITTLE BIT FASTER, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
SO WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE, THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING TO GET OUT OF IT.
UM, SO WE SET UP THAT, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, PROGRAM, UH, FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO WHERE, UH, FOR INSTANCE, IF THIS SAYS IT'S 60% METAL SUBMITTAL PROGRESS, AND SO THAT LIKELY ISN'T LIKE READY TO BID YET, UH, IT HAS TO U USUALLY BE 80% OR MORE, 90%.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY RIGHT OF WAY, UH, ACQUISITION THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE OR HAS BEEN DONE FOR THIS PROJECT.
BUT IF WE DO, WHAT IF THAT WAS COMPLETE AND WE KNEW THAT THAT WAS DONE, IT WOULD BE BID READY.
UM, AND SO WHAT, WHAT AT LEAST WE UNDERSTOOD
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WITH THAT PROGRAM WAS THAT THE CITY, WHEN IT HAD THOSE ELEMENTS READY TO GO, WOULD, WOULD JUST SUBMIT THAT APPLICATION TO THE, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND THEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION WOULD RUN THAT APP APPLICATION THROUGH THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.AND, UH, AS LONG AS IT HAD ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO GO FORWARD WITH, THEN THIS, THE BOARD WOULD ACCEPT THE PROGRAM.
WE'D HAVE A FUNDING AGREEMENT AND WE GO TO TOWN, WE'D DO THE, THE WORK THAT, THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY DO TO, UH, ACQUIRE UNDER THAT PROGRAM.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IT DIDN'T REDUCE THE TIMELINE.
WE DIDN'T SHORTEN THE BIDDING PROCESS OR ANYTHING THAT MIGHT COMPROMISE.
LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF THAT CONSISTENT.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCES, LIKE YOU SAID, THE ABILITY TO MAKE THE DECISION ON WHO TO CHOOSE BASED ON FACTORS THAT, THAT YOU FELT INAPPROPRIATE.
SO THE PROGRAM DOESN'T OTHERWISE CHANGE THE WAY PROCESS.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IF IF THE, IF THE PROJECT WAS ONE THAT APPEARED TO BE, UM, UH, WHERE EARLY DELIVERY WOULD INCREASE THE, THE VALUE TO THE CONTRACTOR, UH, THAT WOULD BE SOME BENEFIT TO THAT.
IF A CITY DID THAT, THAT WOULD BE A ARTICLE 52 A GIFT.
IF YOU'RE GETTING THE SAME WORK OR THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONTH FOR MORE MONTHS.
IF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION DID THAT, THEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION DOES NOT HAVE THAT ARTICLE 52 LIMITATION.
SO IT CAN CREATE A REWARD OR A, A, UH, BONUS STRUCTURE FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, OR EXCELLENT OR, UH, PROJECTS BEING DONE.
ORACLE 52 A 52 A, THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION IS THE PROHIBITION AGAINST GIFTS OF PUBLIC FUNDS DISTRICT.
DOES THIS, UH, ALLOW, UH, VENDORS AND CONTRACTORS FROM THE, THE CITIES THAT AGREED UPON PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT TO BE CONSIDERED PROHIBITION? IT'S NOT PROHIBITED BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S THIS CON THERE'S THIS THOUGHT OUT ON THE STREET THAT ONE, WE ALL HAVE A LITTLE CONTRACT IN OUR BACK POCKET WE'RE TRYING TO PICK.
AND SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE STILL USING THE, THE BIDDING PEOPLE FROM THE CITY.
IT'S STILL, IT'S, IT'S, WE'VE GOT OUR DEAL, BUT WE'RE USING THROUGH OUR INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY, WE'RE USING CITY EMPLOYEES TO PUT THE STUFF OUT.
CITY EMPLOYEES REVIEW IT BASED ON THE CRITERIA WE HAVE SET, WHICH IS I THINK A LOT OF THE SAME BUT SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT.
LIKE THE, THE ROAD, UH, 1 37 WE'RE DOING, THAT'S HIGHLY SCREWING UP EVERYTHING DOWN THERE.
AND SO IF YOU DO IT TO THE CITY, IT COULD TAKE TWO YEARS TO BUILD THAT PROJECT.
RIGHT? IF YOU GO TO THE EDC AND WE HAVE REAL LIQUIDATED DAMAGES AND REAL ENFORCEMENT RIGHTS, IF THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE, UM, THEN I THINK, OR WE CAN PAY THEM WHATEVER.
IF IT WAS 200 GRAND YOU GOT DONE, YOU KNOW, TWO MONTHS EARLY AND IT BEAT THE START OF SCHOOL, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE TO BE EXCITED TO HAVE THE PROJECT DONE.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THE CITY CAN'T.
AND SO TRYING TO CONVEY THIS TO THE PUBLIC IS, ISN'T ANYTHING MORE THAT YOU WANT ROADS DONE? WE'RE TRYING EVERY MECHANISM WE CAN TO GET A PROJECT DONE AS FAST AS WE CAN WITHOUT GOING THROUGH 'CAUSE THE LOWEST QUALIFIED BIDDER.
I KNOW FOR ME IT'S NOT WORKING.
'CAUSE EVERY PROJECT WE HAVE, WE'RE READY TO SUE THE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE TERRIBLE AND THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR ANYBODY.
AND IT DOES DEFAULT TO HAVING THE CITY MANAGE THE PROJECTS, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH HAVING THE SAME CITY PEOPLE DOING THE SAME CITY BID PROCESS AND EVERYTHING
IT DOES ALLOW FOR THE POSSIBILITY FOR THE EDC TO CHOOSE A DIFFERENT ENTITY TO MANAGE IT FOR SITUATIONS WHEN THE CITY JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE AN ANALYSIS ABOUT WHY THE CITY CAN'T DO IT AND NOT A DEFAULT.
VERSUS IS ONE 30 THAT IS, THAT IS JUST A STUDY, GEORGE.
SO THE STUDY ALL OF A SUDDEN, TO ME, IF THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, GUYS, FOR QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS, BOOM, YOU CAN BUILD FRONTAGE ROADS, THEN TO ME IT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO THE ENTIRE CITY TO FIND SOMEONE WHO COULD DESIGN THAT APPROPRIATELY, BUT ALSO VERY FAST.
WE DON'T WANT THE GUY THAT DOES IT A YEAR.
WE WANT THE GUY MAYBE DOES IT IN NINE MONTHS AND IN CONSTRUCTION.
AND THERE'S A WAY I THINK THE EDC COULD DO IT A WHOLE LOT FASTER TIMEFRAME.
IT MAY COST MORE, BUT HAVING THOSE ROADS OPEN WOULD BE DRAMATICALLY BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY.
WHEREAS YOU GO THROUGH THE CITY PROCESS, THAT'S, I MEAN, MY EXPERIENCE RIGHT NOW, THAT'S A TWO TO FOUR YEAR PROCESS.
AND SO IT'S JUST NOT GONNA WORK.
I JUST LOOK AT THIS AS THE EDC HAS OPTIONS.
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE ALWAYS DO IT, IT'S JUST AN OPTION TO, IN GENERAL, THE CONTRACTS WITH THE EDC RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT THE VALUE OF SOMETHING IS TIED BOTH TO THE FINISHED PRODUCT AND TO THE TIME THAT IT TAKES.
UM, AND THE CITIES CAN'T INCLUDE BOTH OF THOSE IN THE VALUE IN THE SAME WAY.
BUT IT IS INDUSTRY STANDARD TO PUT VALUE IN BOTH OF THEM.
IT'S JUST A LIMITATION THAT'S PLACED ON THE CITY.
SO THE EDC IS FUNCTIONING IN A WAY THAT IS VERY STANDARD RES 6 7, 6 10.
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THIS IS WHERE WE MEET.SO IT'S ANOTHER ROOM WE HAVE TAKE THE PICTURE WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS IS.
THE QUESTION I ASKED IS I WANTED TO CLARIFY IF THE CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM APPLIES ONLY TO CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS OR IF IT IS ALSO INCLUSIVE OF DESIGN.
BECAUSE THE CURRENT PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE ENGAGED CONTRACTS ON THE EDC WITH, UM, ARE FOR CONSTRUCTION MM-HMM
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ALSO ABLE TO EVALUATE FOR DESIGN, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S A TIME ASSET AS WELL.
SO THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE LIKE THE RIGHT WAY.
SO FIGURING OUT LIKE WHAT YOU NEED, UH, OKAY.
I MEAN THE, THE SCOPE OF THE APP, THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT IS, IS WITH, YOU KNOW, IN THE ID HOLDER, RIGHT? UH, IN THE CITY IS IF THE CITY IS LOOKING TO TRANSFER A PROJECT AT THE DESIGN STAGE, THEN THAT WOULD BE IN THE APPLICATION AND IT WOULD BE UP TO THE EDC TO SAY, YEAH, WE CAN DO THIS AND, AND TAKE IT ON.
OR SAY, UM, IN ORDER TO DO THIS, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO GET A OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE, FOR INSTANCE, TO MANAGE THIS CONTRACT, TO GET, TO GET THE DESIGN DONE, WHICH IS TYPICALLY ANOTHER ENGINEER THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE YOUR, YOUR REPRESENTATIVE, YOUR AGENT THAT'S, THAT'S WORKING WITH THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, ARE EITHER, UH, DESIGNING OR CONSTRUCTING IT TO MAKE SURE YOU GET WHAT YOU WANT.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE USED IN LARGER PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY IN SITUATIONS LIKE THE, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UM, IMPROVEMENTS OR, OR ENLARGEMENT.
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHERE UNREPRESENTED ARE CRUCIAL.
UM, BUT, BUT YEAH, SO I, I THINK THAT THAT THE, BECAUSE OUR 1 0 3 AND UH, AND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE SCOPE OF AN INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT INCLUDES EVEN EXPENDITURES RELATED TO THE ROADS, STREETS, WATER, WASTEWATER, THOSE THINGS THAT, THAT WE COULD, WE, WE COULD, IF YOU WANTED TO DELEGATE A CIP PROJECT AND SAY YOU, YOU GET THE DESIGN DONE, YOU GET THE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE WORKS.
AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THE EDC CAN DO TO SHAVE OFF TIME ON DESIGN BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A PRE-QUALIFIED LIST.
ALL, WE'RE JUST TWO WEEKS AWAY FROM DOING A, A TASK ORDER TO START DESIGN.
WHERE THIS WOULD MATTER IS, SAY THE ONE 30 FRONTAGE ROAD, ONE PARTICULAR ENGINEERING FIRM IS JUST REALLY WELL KNOWN FOR GETTING THESE THINGS DONE AND HAS A TON OF EXPERIENCE AND THEY'RE NOT ON OUR LIST.
THAT'S WHEN THE EDC MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER CHOOSING TO, TO, TO MANAGE THE DESIGN.
BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA SPEED IT UP BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MOVE FASTER THAN WE CAN ACTUALLY.
I, I'M GONNA DISAGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE THESE ENGINEER PEOPLE ARE OFFERING ON MULTIPLE PROJECTS SAME TIME.
SO MY GUESS IS THEY'RE NOT WORKING.
IF WE'RE GONNA DESIGN A ROAD, THERE'S NOT SOMEBODY FOR NINE MONTHS A TEAM LIKE THIS'S DOING NOTHING BUT THAT ROAD.
THEY MAY DO THREE HOURS TODAY, THREE HOURS LATER IN A DAY, THEY'RE DOING ANOTHER PROJECT LATER IN THE NIGHT DOING ANOTHER PROJECT.
SO THEY'RE HANDLE MULTIPLE PROJECTS.
TO ME, IF YOU HAD A FIRM, IF YOU NEEDED SOMETHING DONE, LIKE SOMEONE HIT A BRIDGE AND YOU HAD TO REPLACE A BRIDGE IN A MONTH AND YOU HAD TO HAVE THAT DESIGN, TO ME, IF YOU PAY THE MONEY, YOU CAN GET SOMETHING DESIGNED FASTER, IT'S GONNA COST YOU MORE.
'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DROP EVERYTHING.
BECAUSE THE CITY, THE BIDDING PROCESS, YOU COULD NEVER PAY 30% MORE TO GET SOMETHING DONE 30% QUICKER.
THAT'S THE CONTRACTING ASPECT OF IT.
THE SELECTION, THE CITY, THE CITY CAN'T NEGOTIATE TERMS IN A CONTRACT.
YOU JUST TAKING THE LOWEST QUALIFIED, NO, NOT NOT IN DESIGN.
DESIGN IS ALREADY Q SO IT'S BASED ON QUALIFICATIONS AND THEN YOU NEGOTIATE THE PRICE.
BUT, BUT THE EC DOESN'T HAVE THAT RIGHT.
SO, SO I THINK, I THINK THE CITY MANAGER MAKES A GOOD POINT.
AND, AND SO DO YOU MAYOR, I THINK THAT IT IS KIND OF A COMBINATION.
SAY THAT TDOT USES THIS PERSON FOR ALL THE ROADS AND, AND NEW SITE, YOU KNOW, FRONTAGE ROADS WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING NEW, UH, YOU KNOW, HIGHWAYS.
AND THAT PERSON WHO DOES ALL OF THAT TEXTILE WORK IS NOT ON THAT LIST.
AND SO WE IDENTIFY THAT PERSON AND WE SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU PUT US THIS FRONT ROAD TOGETHER? WELL, THEY ALREADY HAVE 600 MILES OF FRONT OF ROAD ALREADY DESIGNED.
AND SO IF THEY HAVE DESIGNS THAT ARE THE SAME GEOLOGICAL CONDITIONS AS YOU HAVE HERE, THEN THEY ALREADY HAVE HALF THE DESIGN OR TWO THIRDS OF THE DESIGN DONE.
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PAYING THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR WAREHOUSING OF THAT, OF THAT DATA, THAT INFORMATION.SO THAT'S WHAT WE COULD DO THAT, THAT THE CITY WOULD NOT BE IN A POSITION TO DO BECAUSE WE COULD HIRE THAT ENGINEER WITHOUT HAVING TO DO A, A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS.
AND THAT RIGHT THERE IS TWO TO THREE MONTHS.
AND, AND WE CAN, WE CAN TELL THE CONTRACTORS WE WANT THIS DESIGNED IN SIX MONTHS AND THE PRICE WILL BE HIGHER BECAUSE IT'S, BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON QUALIFICATIONS.
WHERE, WHERE WE'RE REALLY HAMSTRUNG IS ON THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE, THAT'S ON THE CITY SIDE.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE BC'S ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE TO PAY MORE FOR THE SAME OUTCOME, THAT SORT OF STUFF.
OTHER THAN JUST A ONE OFF, LIKE HE'S TALKING ABOUT GENERALLY THE CITY, THAT THE PROCESS ISN'T WORK THE SAME FOR DESIGN, JUST FOR CONSTRUCTION.
IT DOESN'T WORK THE SAME AS DESIGN.
SO WE GET PAID TO HAVE DESIGN DONE FASTER.
SO JUST BECAUSE I'M HEARING A LOT OF STUFF, I'M GETTING A LOT OF GREAT EXAMPLES.
THERE'S A LOT OF PING PONGING AROUND.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND Y'ALL ARE ASKING FOR A CHANGE IN THE WAY THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO TAKE ON PROJECTS IN THE CITY, IN THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE BECAUSE THEY'D BE ABLE TO BE MORE NIMBLE ON THE EDC SIDE, OR WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE ASKING TO CHANGE? JUST FORMALIZING THE OPTION IS ALREADY THERE.
WHAT IT'S DOING IS FORMALIZING IT INTO A PROGRAM WHERE EVERYBODY WE'RE USING TEMPLATED FORMS. IT, IT'S JUST VERY CLEAR, UM, SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE OPTIONS.
AND HAVING IT BE A, AN ESTABLISHED PROGRAM, UM, MAKES IT LETS IT WORK INTO THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DC FASTER STANDARDIZE THE PROCESS.
BUT THE, THE OPTION IS ALREADY THERE.
IT'S JUST GONNA TAKE MORE NEGOTIATING BACK AND FORTH.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? WELL, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
THE BENEFIT OF IT IS THAT IN THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, THINGS PROJECTS ESPECIALLY HIGH, UM, IMPACT PROJECTS ARE ABLE TO A LITTLE BIT FASTER BECAUSE OF THE PROCESS THAT EDC HAS TO FOLLOW VERSUS THE PROCESS THE CITY HAS TO FOLLOW.
AND WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE FACTORS INTO CONSIDERATION LIKE THE REPUTATION AND THE HISTORY WITH THE CONTRACTOR THAT YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ON THE CITY SIDE.
WE HAVE MORE OPTIONS AND MORE NIMBLENESS ON THE EDC SIDE, WHICH WOULD BENEFIT OUR PROJECTS BECAUSE OF THOSE YOU HAVE LESS RED TAPE MM-HMM
ESSENTIALLY, UM, TO GO THROUGH.
SO COULD EXPEDITE SOME PROJECTS.
I THINK THAT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS THAT IN THE DESIGN PHASE AND NOT THE CONSTRUCTION, THE DESIGN PHASE, IS THE CITY ABLE TO BE AS NIMBLE AS WE ARE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE MM-HMM
WITH THE DESIGN PHASE? AND THE ANSWER IS YES, THEY CAN MAKE THE DESIGN PHASE GO FASTER, JUST PROBABLY JUST REQUESTING FOR IT TO GO FASTER.
SO THE REAL DIFFERENCE WOULD BE ONCE WE GET TO CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? AND I MEAN YOUR, YOUR STAFF HERE HAVE ALREADY DEVELOPED A MEANS BY WHICH TO HAVE A, A NUMBER OF PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING FIRMS SELECTED AND ON, YOU KNOW, HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS, THE, THE RFQ PROCESS MM-HMM
SO NOW THEY JUST SEND TASK ORDERS IN AND SAY FIX THIS OR FIX THIS OR FIX THIS.
SO THAT WAY YOU HAVE THAT IMMEDIATE ACCESS.
UM, THE, THE, THE ONLY TIME THAT, AND, AND WHAT I THINK WE'RE DOING HERE IS TRYING TO, TO EXPOSE ALL THE MANNERS IN WHICH THIS NEW INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM CAN BE USED TO EXPEDITE PROJECTS.
AND SO THE MAYOR'S ASKING, OKAY, WE'RE USING THIS FOR CONSTRUCTION.
CAN WE USE IT FOR DESIGN? DOES THAT HELP? AND WE'RE JUST KIND OF FLESHING THAT OUT TO SAY, UM, IF, IF, IF WE HAVE A PARTICULAR TYPE OF PROJECT WHERE WE, WE CAN GO GET AN, AN ENGINEER THAT DOES 'EM ALL THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, TECH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T HIRE TDO TO DO IT, BUT IF A, IF A CONTRACTOR THAT DID ALL TECH WORK WAS ABLE TO COME IN AND HELP US WITH WITH ROADS AND THEY'RE NOT ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT'S ALREADY ON YOUR LIST, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THEM IN CONTRACT AND GOING WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THAT 60 TO 90 DAY PERIOD OF THE DESIGN PHASE.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY LIMITED EXAMPLE.
WHAT'S THAT? IS THAT, WAS THAT WHAT YOU WERE ASKING? YEAH.
IN THESE MEETINGS, I ALWAYS ASK, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ALL THE DIFFERENT AVENUES BECAUSE THE ONLY THING PEOPLE CARE ABOUT WHOLE CHANGE FOR THREE YEARS, ALL THEY WANT IS HOT ASPHALT BEING LAID ON THE GROUND AND CURBS BUTTON UP.
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT WHO WAS SICK, WHO, WHO'S NOT WORKING FOR THE CITY, WHAT THE EXCUSE IS ABOUT RAIN.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I JUST ASK QUESTIONS TO FIGURE OUT LIKE WHAT'S THE ROADBLOCK AND HOW DO WE TAKE THE ROADBLOCK AWAY? IT'S TIME AND IT'S QUALITY.
UH, IF YOU CAN TAKE PEOPLE'S REPUTATION INTO CONSIDERATION MORE, THEN YOU ALSO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT YOU HAVE CRACKING ASPHALT LATER THAT WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND FIX OR WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND PULL, YOU KNOW, GO TO SURETY'S AND HAVE THEM INVOLVED.
IT, IT SIMPLIFIES, REDUCES COSTS IN THE LONG TERM, EVEN HAVE THE END OF CONSTRUCTION.
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ONE EXAMPLE I WANTED TO PROVIDE ALSO, AND THE REASON I BROUGHT UP THE DESIGN COMPONENT IS BECAUSE THE PECAN STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IS ONE AS A POINT OF REFERENCE THAT IS WHOLLY OWNED BY THE EDC.SO THE EDC MANAGED THE DESIGN OUTREACH, SO WE DIDN'T USE THE CITY'S LIST.
AND SO I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A DESIRE BY SOME BOARD AND COUNCIL MEMBERS TO GO BEYOND OUR CURRENT LIST BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME FRUSTRATIONS WITH OUR CURRENT VENDORS.
WOULD THAT BE CAPACITY, QUALITY, TIME, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO I THINK THAT IS WHY I BROUGHT UP THE, CAN WE DO THIS WITH COMPONENT AS WELL? BECAUSE FOR THAT PROJECT IT'S ANTICIPATED BE FULLY FUNDED BY THE EDC AS WELL, WHEREAS SOME THESE OTHER PROJECTS WOULD BE A REIMBURSEMENT LIKE THE TWO EXISTING CIP PROJECTS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
SO I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO EXPLORE WHICH OPPORTUNITY WOULD BEST BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AND MAYBE DO THAT ON CASE BY CASE BASIS,
IT'S FULLY OWNED BY THE A DD AS WELL.
SO I MEAN, WHAT WOULD BE, WHAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT? LIKE, WHAT WOULD BE SOME OF THE RISKS THAT WE WANNA MITIGATE IF WE OR TO, AND PROJECTS OVER? OR WHAT ARE THE THINGS WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF? ARE THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY, LIKE WHAT ARE THE DRAWBACKS OR RISKS OF HANDING THINGS OVER LIKE THAT, OF USING THAT OPTION MORE OFTEN OR STANDARDIZING IT EVEN ON THE DESIGN PHASE? I THINK STANDARDIZING IS WHAT HELPS REDUCE THE RISKS.
IF YOU WERE TASK OFF ENOUGH HAVING THE SYSTEMS IN PLACE, THEN I GUESS YOU WOULD HAVE THE RISK OF A, OF A BOARD THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T HAVE THE CITY MANAGE IT WHEN THEY COULD OR SOMETHING.
BUT THIS IS STANDARDIZING SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT THIS WAY.
IT'S MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE IN ADVANCE OF THE PROCESS.
AND RECENTLY THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF CHANGES TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION ACT, THE ACT IN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT, UH, CODE WHICH PROVIDE GREATER PROTECTIONS FOR, FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS THAT DIDN'T EXIST A FEW YEARS AGO.
AND SO CONTRACTUAL PROTECTIONS.
AND SO, UH, THE, UH, WITHOUT GOING INTO DETAIL, BECAUSE THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR TRINITY CLARK, THAT THAT'S ANOTHER BIG THING THAT IS HELPING, UH, PROTECT THE, THE, THE GROUP AS IF VERY CLOSE TO THE SAME PROTECTIONS THE CITY HAS IN WE IN CONTRACTS THAT WE DO.
SO HERE'S THE RISKS I SEE IS THAT WE COULD GET TO WHERE WE'RE NOT BIDDING, WE COULD GET TO WHERE WE'RE PICKING PEOPLE THAT WHATEVER GET MONEY OR FRIENDS OR ALL THAT.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE COULD DO, WHICH IS PART OF THE REASON, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE STRONG PRESENCE ON CITY COUNCIL WHILE WE GET THIS THING GOING AND, AND HAVE IT GO TO WHERE WE GOTTA START HAVING A RUNWAY AND A TRACK RECORD WHERE WE CAN SAY, LOOK, WE DON'T, WE ALWAYS BID OUT PROJECTS IS WE HAVE CRITERIA BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THE CITY COUNCIL, 'CAUSE WHAT I'M AFRAID IS NOT GONNA PASS FORWARD SOME OF THEIR DECISIONS, BUT LET'S SAY THE BOARD DIDN'T BID IT OUT AND DIDN'T DO THESE THINGS AND THEN IT GOES TO THE CITY COUNCIL, WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE MONEY.
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE CITY COUNCIL'S LIKE, NO, NO, NO, NO, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PROVING IT.
AND SO UNTIL, TO ME, UNTIL WE GET ALL THIS STUFF UNIFIED IN TERMS OF DIRECTION, YOU HAVE TO HAVE EVERYBODY ROLLING THE SAME WINE.
BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE, WE GO THE DIFFERENT DIRECTION, WE ACTUALLY SLOW EVERYTHING DOWN BECAUSE NOW THE CITY SAID, HEY, CAN YOU GO DO THIS PROJECT CHECK EDC WENT A WHOLE DIFFERENT ROUTE.
LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? OH, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED.
SO IN THE, FOR NOW, I DON'T SEE THE RISK THAT'S MITIGATED.
APPROVERS ARE KINDA LIKE, HEY, THIS IS HOW WE WANT IT ALL GO.
AND I THINK THE HOPE IS EVENTUALLY IT'S A BOARD MADE UP OF PEOPLE THAT AREN'T CITY COUNCIL, BUT EVERYBODY'S LIKE, HEY, WE'RE ON, THIS IS HOW WE DO THIS.
WE DON'T GO DO NO BID CONTRACTS.
THE LAW ALLOWS US TO, BUT WE DON'T DO THAT UNLESS WE HAVE BASICALLY PERMISSION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.
'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA KILL IT THE MINUTE IT COMES UP.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE THE BLAME.
WELL, THAT'S LIKE A SYSTEMS AND COMMUNICATIONS PROBLEM, RIGHT? IF WE'RE NOT COMMUNICATING ON THE STANDARDIZED SYSTEM OF HOW THINGS FOR ONE HAND TO THE OTHER, THEN YES, WE ARE GONNA HAVE THAT PROBLEM PROJECTS STALLING OUT BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW THEY ARE SUDDENLY ONE'S GOING ONE WAY, THE OTHER'S GOING THE OTHER.
BUT THAT'S TO BE SOLVED THROUGH CHECKS.
AND WHAT MEANS THERE HAS TO BE A SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES IN PLACE.
RIGHT? WELL, AND AND THAT'S WHY THIS PROGRAM IS SOMETHING, IT'S A PROGRAM NOT A PROJECT BECAUSE 5 0 1 0 7 3 A DOES GIVE YOU THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE ALL PROGRAMS. SO IF THERE WAS, RIGHT NOW IT'S THE PROGRAM THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED, THE INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM THAT CONTROLS HOW WE DO THOSE THINGS.
AND SO IF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOP CORPORATION AT ANY TIME WANTS TO CHANGE THAT PROGRAM, THEN THAT CHANGE HAS TO COME BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
BUT THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THE COLUMN BECAUSE THAT'S A, THAT'S AN EDC ROAD PROJECT ONLY.
SO THAT ONE YOU COULD CIRCUMVENT.
AND THEN WHEN THE BILL COMES TO, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD IT BEFORE, WE'VE HAD THE EDC APPROVE STUFF.
THE EDC WAS GOING ONE WAY AND IT WAS, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO A MUD IN THE CITY.
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GIVE YOU TOURISTS MONEY.WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ALL THESE THINGS.
AND SO THEN EVERYBODY GETS EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD A DEAL.
WELL YOU DID WITH EDC, BUT THEY ANSWER TO A WHOLE NOTHER GROUP AND THAT GROUP SAYS NO.
AND SO I THINK IT'S THINGS LIKE THAT TO WHERE COMMUNICATION IS KEY.
WE JUST HAVE THAT PROBLEM WITH EVERY BOARD.
UM, AT SOME POINT EVERY BOARD'S OFF DOING SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LIKE, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE THOUGHT THE INTENT WAS.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CHARGE WAS.
BUT UM, YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S MEANT TO, TO BE PERCEIVED AS WE'RE LOSING CHECKS BALANCES.
WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING IN A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE, WHICH COULD TAKE SIX TO 18 MONTHS TO GET ALL THE FINE TUNING.
NO, NO, NO DIS NO NEGATIVE FOR THE PARTIES TO BE, BUT WE WANNA MAKE, WE WANNA VET THE RIGHT PROCESS AND ONLY WAY TO VET IT IS TO IS TO START IT.
UM, I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'RE BEING ABLE TO USE THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT FETED LIST ALREADY.
SO, UM, AND, AND WE CAN ADD TO THAT ROTATION.
AND MAYBE THIS IS A WAY TO, TO ADD MORE TO THAT ROTATION IS THROUGH THE EDC LOOKING AT AS A CITY MANAGER SAID, THERE'S SOMEONE WHO'S JUST BLACK BELT AT DOING THIS TYPE OF WORKED WITH TEXAS ONE 30 AND STATE TXDOT.
THEY DO THESE FRONTAGE ROADS LIKE, LIKE THEY DO ENVELOPES MANUFACTURING AND JUST BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM.
THAT WOULD BE SOMEONE TO LOOK AT.
THEY GOTTA HAVE, YOU KNOW, 20, 30, UM, REFERENCES OR WHERE THEY'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL ON THAT.
AND, AND, AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT TO, TO REITERATE TO, UH,
I MEAN, WE CAN BE TAKEN TO THE CLEANERS.
UM, I REMEMBER SPENDING ALMOST FOUR HOURS WITH A, UH, A CONTRACT, UH, ATTORNEY IN AUSTIN, UH, WHO IS, WAS THE SAME ONE WE KING CHAPMAN, THAT WE'VE, UH, OBTAINED, UH, TO, TO HELP US WRITE OUR CONTRACTS BETTER.
BUT OUTSIDE OF LIQUID AID DAMAGES, THERE IS NO PENALTIES.
WHEN WE DO A CITY CONTRACT, IT LEAVES US EXTREMELY VULNERABLE AND AND ALSO AT RISK TO LOSING MONEY.
IF SOMEONE'S IN BREACH OR DIDN'T MEET THEIR GUIDELINES OR YEAH, THEY'RE WRONG, WE'RE GONNA WIN, DA DA DA.
BUT HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST? HOW MUCH TIME IS DELAYED? AND, AND, AND WHAT IS THE LEGAL FEES NOW HOPEFULLY WE GET ALL THOSE BACK, BUT IT JUST, IT JUST PUTS A, A, YOU KNOW, A, YOU KNOW, IT JUST GRINDS THE WHEELS TO STOP.
SO I I I LOVE ALL THIS AND, AND AGAIN, I WANNA REITERATE, AND I THINK, I THINK MAYOR SAID THIS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING, I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY, I HAVE, I, I CAN SHARE, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WHOLE, THAT THAT ENDEAVOR, UM, PIECE THERE I COVERED UP, UM, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS SO PARAMOUNT THAT IN THAT FRONTAGE ROAD THERE TO, UH, FACILITATING THE TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT'LL BE THERE IN TWO TO THREE YEARS.
SO IF THIS CAN BE ACCELERATED INTO A TWO TO THREE YEAR TIMEFRAME, DOING THE SNEAKER NET, UM, YOU KNOW, TO HELP WITH ENDEAVOR AND IT'LL TAKE THE LOAD OFF OF, OF INNOVATION, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT 79 AS FAR AS THEIR LEFT TURNS AND RIGHT TURNS AND ALL THAT.
BUT IF THIS CAN BE KIND OF THE, THE, THE KIND OF CORNERSTONE OF, UH, OF CREATING, YOU KNOW, A, A MAJOR EGRESS OR, OR, OR, OR UH, SOLVING A, A TRANSPORTATION PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YEARS IN ADVANCE WOULD GO IS IS A BIG PLUS FOR THAT PART OF THE, THE, THE TOWN AND ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THERE.
THE LAST THING I WANTED I'LL SAY ABOUT THIS IS THAT IF THERE ARE ANY CONCERNS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS OR THE BOARD HAS FOR FUTURE BOARDS AND CONTROLS, THEN THE BYLAWS IS WHERE YOU COULD PUT THAT.
IF YOU WANTED TO CONTROL HOW A, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION MANAGED INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS OF ITS OWN AND ANY KIND OF CONTROLS THAT YOU WANT TO PUT IN, THEN YOU WOULD PUT THOSE IN THE BYLAWS AND THEN THOSE WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO ALL BOARDS IN THE FUTURE.
UNLESS THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THEM.
AND IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THEM, THEY HAVE TO GET THE CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL.
TO ME, IT'S MORE OF A, UM, I DON'T LIKE, I DON'T LIKE DOING ALL THAT.
'CAUSE THERE'D BE A TIME WE NEED A NO BID.
IT'D BE A A 25,000, A 50,000 NO BID.
AND SO I THINK IT'S GOTTA BE MORE OF A, LIKE A CULTURE TO WHERE IT'S LIKE, LOOK, WE DON'T DO THINGS UNLESS IT'S UH, I DON'T, I, I CAN'T EVEN COME UP WITH AN EXAMPLE.
BUT UM, 'CAUSE EVERY TIME WE AMEND THE BYLAWS THEN WE AMEND THE BYLAWS BECAUSE SOMETIMES COMES UP LIKE, OH WE WANNA DO THIS NOW WE CAN'T.
BUT UM, ALSO LIKE THIS MEETING RIGHT HERE, I KNOW WE HAVE LIMITED TIME ON IT, BUT THIS MEETING'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
MM-HMM
SO MAKING THIS MEETING AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE WHILE WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THIS AND LEARNING HOW HOW IT WORKS, UM, I THINK WILL BE VITAL FOR, OKAY.
I THOUGHT IT WAS SORT SAYING WHAT, WHAT DOES HE ASK TONIGHT TO SAY WE WANNA DO THE PROJECTS? WE DON'T.
NO, HE, I THINK ONE THING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR BOARD COUNCIL AND STAFF ALIKE IS
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TO REVIEW THESE PROJECTS.A COUPLE OF THE PROJECTS ON THE PROJECT LIST TONIGHT ON THE AGENDA ARE ALREADY DESIGNATED TO THE EDC FOR CONTRACT MANAGEMENT, BUT THE REMAINING PROJECTS ARE EXTREMELY IMPACTFUL TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO THERE'S GOOD ALIGNMENT AS TO WHY THAT WOULD THEN BE DELEGATED TO THE EDC.
SO SOME CONSENSUS OR EVEN ACTION TO FORMALIZE THAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR EVERYONE TO KNOW GOING IN.
BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT REACTIVE WITH THE CURRENT PROJECTS BECAUSE THEY WERE ALREADY OUT TO BID FOR CONSTRUCTION WHEN WE TRIED TO KIND OF COME IN.
AND SO THE MORE FINALITY WE CAN GET CLARITY ON DIRECTION, THE SOONER THE BETTER.
SO THAT JUST
THEN AS YOU GET STARTED, I WOULD DO THIS PROJECT BECAUSE WE'RE STILL A YEAR OF DESIGN AWAY AND SO WE'RE SAVING TIME OF DESIGN.
SO CONSTRUCTION IS PROBABLY SOME TIME IN 28, SO THERE'S NO REASON TO HAVE THE EDC TAKE IT ON.
SO INNOVATION, THIS IS CURRENTLY ON HOLD AT THE CITY, BUT WE KNOW WE JUST TALKED ABOUT SPROUTS DEVELOPMENT.
WE'VE GOT PENSKE COMING IN, WE HAVE EXPANSION OF TSTC AND TEMPLE COLLEGE PHASE THREE OF TITAN'S INNOVATION BUSINESS PARK GONNA BE UNDERWAY HERE SOON.
WHY IS THIS ONE ON, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, JAMES CAN CORRECT ME.
INNOVATION IS ON HOLD BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF PROJECTS WE HAD THAT WE WERE DESIGNING, I THOUGHT IT'S SLOWING THINGS DOWN BECAUSE WE HAD A, WE HAD AN EXCITED COUNCIL THAT DECIDED TO START A PROJECT THAT WAS ON THE LIST.
SO YEAH, WE HAD A STARTED DIALING 'EM BACK A LITTLE BIT.
THERE WAS LIKE A DEAL WHERE, I MEAN I THINK WE HAD LIKE 30 DIFFERENT ROAD PROJECTS IN DESIGN AND SOME OF US WERE GOING, WELL, AND THIS GOES BACK A COUPLE YEARS, WE'RE GOING LIKE, WELL HOLD ON, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO BUILD ALL THESE SO WHY ARE WE DESIGNING ALL 'EM? SHOULDN'T WE JUST, WHAT CAN WE DO NEXT YEAR? WHAT CAN WE DO THE YEAR AFTER? AND IT WAS LIKE EVERYTHING NEEDS TO GO.
AND SO WE STARTED DESIGNING EVERYTHING AND I WAS AFRAID WE WERE GONNA BE DESIGN RICH AND HAVE NO MONEY LEFT FOR ACTUAL ROAD CONSTRUCTION.
'CAUSE WE SPENT ALL, IT'S NICE TO HAVE ROADS DONE.
BUT THIS ONE I'M KIND OF HIT MISS HONESTLY CHANEY ON THIS ONE BECAUSE WHEN YOU THINK OF ALL THE ROADS THAT IMPACT ALL THE RESIDENTS, IF THIS IS CLOGGED UP, WHO DOES IT IMPACT? IT IMPACTS THE PEOPLE WHO JUST SHOP THERE WHO CREATED THE TRAFFIC.
WHEREAS EVERYBODY ELSE IS DEALING WITH LIKE CARL STERN IN FRONT STREET AND THEY DEAL WITH EVERYTHING.
I'M NOT SAYING I'M NECESSARILY AGAINST IT, BUT YEAH, I GET THE PHASE THREE OF INNOVATION PARKS COMING.
BUT I MEAN IF IT WAS DESIGNED, I THINK THE ORIGINAL IDEA WAS FOR IT TO BE DESIGNED AND THEN WHEN THAT DEVELOPED THOSE PEOPLE TO IMPACT FEES WOULD PAY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.
BUT YEAH, I THINK AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW WITHOUT THE ACCESS ROADS ON ONE 30, A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTIAL TRAFFIC ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT NEEDS TO GET SOUTHBOUND ON ONE 30, TAKE INNOVATION DOWN TO 79 TO, TO MOVE OVER TO THAT INTERCHANGE.
SO I KNOW I CAN SPEAK FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE LIKE SCHOOL DROP OFF OVER TO THOSE SCHOOLS THAT ARE ON THE WEST SIDE OF ONE 30 AND THEN TRYING TO GET BACK DOWN.
YOU GO THAT WAY INSTEAD OF DOWN INSTRUMENT.
IF I NEEDED TO GO SOUTHBOUND ON ONE 30 YEAH.
GOING THROUGH SIERRA, I DON'T BECAUSE YEAH, I WOULDN'T THAT 'CAUSE INNOVATION'S A NIGHTMARE.
TAKE A RIGHT ON GO THROUGH C HAVE ONE 10 TIMES EVERY DAY.
I'M SAYING FROM, OKAY, WHAT ABOUT ALLIANCE
I WANNA FIX ALL THE ROADS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIXED 10 YEARS AGO.
IF THIS ONE BACKS UP WITH TRAFFIC, IT'S THE NEW GROWTH.
IT'S THE NEW PEOPLE THAT ARE BACKING IT UP.
AND SO, YOU KNOW WHAT IF WE KEEP FIXING ALL THE NEW ROADS THAT HAPPENED, WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET TO FIX OLD ROADS.
AND WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST TELL THE PEOPLE LIKE HEY, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET TO IT.
'CAUSE WE ALL THE NEW GROWTH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE THROW THE MONEY AT THE NEWEST PROBLEM AND COUNTRY CLUB INNOVATION'S GOT A PROBLEM FOR LIKE AN HOUR AND A HALF IN THE MORNING AND THAT'S IT.
WE GOT ROADS THAT HAVE PROBLEMS UNTIL NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
SO, BUT THAT, THAT'S JUST ME NOW SOME OF 'EM ALREADY FUNDED ONE DAY THEY GET BUILT.
BUT I THINK THE OTHER CONSIDERATION WITH THAT TOO IS THAT THE ROADS THAT ARE CONSISTENTLY CONGESTED, DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY OVER? SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE POOL OF ROADS THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC THAT WE DO HAVE AUTHORITY OVER, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE A LOT OF THE OTHER ONES WE, WE DON'T PROTECT PRIMARILY OR MAYBE COUNTY, BUT
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LI LOOP TO ME IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ALLIANCE.IF I HAD TO PICK BETWEEN THE TWO LI LOOP CARRIES MORE TRAFFIC.
IT DOES AFFECT EVERYBODY THAT LIVES UP THERE.
AND ALLIANCE AND INNOVATION ONLY AFFECTED PEOPLE YOU TO CUT THROUGH UM, OR WHO ARE WORKING OR CREATING THE TRAFFIC OVER THERE.
WHEREAS LIR LOOP IS THE ENTIRE NORTH SIDE OF THE CITY IS USING LIR LOOP TO GET DOWN, WHICH IS ALL THINGS LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE AGAIN, YOU CAN'T DO 'EM ALL, BUT THIS ONE'S DESIGNED, IT'S JUST ABOUT BEING BUILT.
UH, AND IT'S ACTUALLY DESIGN'S NOT COMPLETE.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK.
NO, I AGREE WITH MAX SAYING ABOUT GETTING ROADS THAT HAVE BEEN ON HOLD FOR A LONG TIME, GETTING THEM DONE.
I THINK THAT'S, IT'S A GOOD WAY TO APPROACH IT.
BUT I WOULD ALSO WANNA BE AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THESE ROADS NOW.
BECAUSE THEN IT'S NOT EVEN A MATTER OF FAIRNESS, IT'S A MATTER OF EFFICIENCY, RIGHT? LIKE MAYBE 10 YEARS AGO THIS CERTAIN ROAD WAS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S WHY THE ACTION WAS HAPPENING.
BUT NOW 'CAUSE OF A NEW SCHOOL FOR EXAMPLE, EVERYTHING'S MOVED TO THIS OTHER ROAD AND NOW WE HAVE TO PRIOR, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE NEW GROWTH BUT IT'S NOT A PRIORITY BECAUSE NOW WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL HOURS PASSING THROUGH THERE AND THERE'S BUSINESSES AND THERE'S MORE SHOPPING OR THERE'S A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT PEOPLE ARE USING THAT ROAD ON.
UM, BUT I MEAN, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT, IS THAT KIND OF HOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT? LIKE YOU WANNA PRIORITIZE BY CURRENT ACTION, CURRENT ACCESS, WHETHER IT'S FOR SHOPPING OR SCHOOL OR SAFETY OR JUST RESIDENTIAL MOVEMENT THROUGHOUT THE DAY? WELL I THINK IT'S A BALANCE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY OUR TAXPAYERS ARE THE ONES, ARE THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE GONNA BE FOOTING THE BILL FOR ALL THIS STUFF.
SO IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO KEEP THEM TOP OF MIND.
HOWEVER, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF ME SAYS IF WE KNOW THE GROWTH IS COMING, THESE ROADS ARE ONLY GONNA GET WORSE.
AND AS TRAFFIC GETS WORSE, IT'S GONNA BE HARDER TO MAKE THOSE CORRECTIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS WHEN WE'RE HAVING TO DIVERT A THOUSAND CARS.
WHEREAS TODAY WE'RE ONLY DIVERTING A HUNDRED FOR AN EXAMPLE.
AND HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH THE EXISTING ROADS? LIKE THE MAYOR SAID EARLIER THAT THAT HAVE BEEN UM, IN NEED OF REPAIR FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
THEY'RE ONLY GONNA GET WORSE IF WE SHIFT OUR ATTENTION OVER TO THIS.
YOU'RE NOT USING EDGE SCHMIDT 'CAUSE INNOVATION IS FASTER.
SO YEAH, TYPICALLY IT'S FASTER.
I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE RAIL EITHER.
SO IF I GO THAT WAY, THEN EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT CROSSING THE TRACK, IF THERE'S A TRAIN, IT RESETS THE WHOLE LIGHT THING AND THEN IT TAKES ME 10 SIGNALS TO GET.
SO SOME THE ROADS, SOME OF THE THINGS I'VE DONE ON MY DAY JOB LIKE ALLIANCE, THEY HAVE A LEFTOVER FROM SEVEN NINE.
SO ALLIANCE WITH THE RETAIL WILL PROBABLY BE MORE OF A ROAD LONG TERM.
YOU THINK OF INNOVATION, IF THE FRONTAGE ROADS EXISTED, HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE ON INNOVATION.
SO IF YOU GO AND SPEND 10 MILLION IN WIDE INNOVATION, YOU DO IT FOR TODAY.
BUT REALLY THAT TRAFFIC DOESN'T WANNA BE THERE TODAY.
THE TRAFFIC REALLY WANTS TO BE SAY ON THE FRONTAGE ROADS.
AND SO YOU SEE THAT A LOT WHERE THEY'LL, PEOPLE WILL BUILD ROADS, THEY'RE FIXING NOT THE PROBLEM, IT'S LIKE A BANDAID, BUT THE BANDAID AND THEN THEY END UP ACTUALLY FIXING A PROBLEM AND EVERYBODY'S, WELL I JUST DON'T WANNA USE THE ROAD.
SO LIKE I COULD SEE ALLIANCE LONG TERM, UH, 'CAUSE AGAIN THAT'S GOT RETAIL AT LEAST FROM 79, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE WAY UP TO BUT SHINE OR BOULEVARD.
BUT INNOVATION, YOU'RE TRYING TO GO, UH, SOUTHBOUND ONTO ONE 30 OF THE
THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE TRAFFIC GOING LIMMER TO INNOVATION TO GET ON ONE 30.
THE NORTHBOUND FRONTAGE ROAD ISN'T GONNA HELP THAT AT ALL.
IT'S THE SOUTHBOUND FRONT ROAD.
I MEAN ON LEER YOU CROSS OVER AND YOU TAKE THE, THE FRONTAGE ROAD SOUTH TO GET ON THE ONE 30 TO GO SOUTH.
RIGHT NORTH IT'S ALL BACKED UP 'CAUSE NOT THE DOUBLE LEFT AND ONE 30 BACKED UP.
SO A YEAR FROM NOW WHEN ONE 30, OR I GUESS IT'D BE A YEAR AND A HALF AND ONE THIRTY'S COMPLETE AND THEY'VE WIDENED IT, YOU MAY NOT SEE TRAFFIC ON INNOVATION ANYMORE.
NOW THE SPROUTS MAY BRING IT BACK AND THEN FRENCH VOTES.
I MEAN THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE TIAS REALLY DO A LOT RIGHT.
TO HELP DIFFERENTIATE WHAT IS ACTUALLY A PROBLEM AND WHAT IS, THAT'S WHY SOMETIMES PEOPLE WANNA DO SOMETHING OVER HERE, BUT THE TIAS TELL 'EM TO DO SOMETHING OVER HERE AND THEY DISAGREE.
BUT THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING THIS ISSUE.
THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE IS THAT THE INDUSTRIAL THAT'S BUILT THERE IS NOT ALL THE WAY LEASED YET AND THEY HAVE A 800,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING COMING.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SEMIS ALL UP AND DOWN BOTH OF THOSE ROADS DESTROYING THE CONCRETE AND OR DESTROYING THE ASPHALT.
SO, BUT I STILL THINK THEY'RE NOT AS, YOU KNOW, URGENT AS THE OTHERS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT THAT IS JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND.
ARE THERE ANY MORE AFTER THIS? I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYONE.
C PROJECT, THE EDC CAN ONLY DO PROJECTS THAT ARE DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO DEVELOPING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
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MM-HMMBUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO FALL CITY INTO THE RIGHT, INTO THE ONES WE CAN DO.
SO JUST LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT ARE THE POOL, WHAT'S THE POOL OF ROAD PROJECTS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE CONTROL OVER AS FAR AS DESIGNATING PROJECTS TO THE EDC? WHAT ARE THE PROJECTS, WHERE'S THAT OVERLAP? LIKE OUR LITTLE THAT THAT HAVE BEEN DONE NN DIAGRAM WHERE IT ALL OVERLAPS AND WHAT ARE THOSE, WHAT IS THAT, THAT
THIS IS ALREADY DESIGNATED TO THE EDC AND I'LL PROVIDE UPDATES.
SO THE LAST ONE IS UH, 1 32 BETWEEN 79 AND UH, LIMMER AND THEN THAT INTERSECTION AT 1 32 AND 79.
SO I KNOW FOR THE INTERSECTION PROJECT THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION OF, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT COMING ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THAT INTERSECTION.
SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE DEVELOPER PARTICIPATION AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE TOUR TWO THAT'S OVER THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTIES THERE AND HER DEBRIS ON THE MEGA SITE, WHICH IT SHARES THAT INTERSECTION OF HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT THAT T COULD ALSO PARTICIPATE.
SO, UM, BUT AGAIN, FROM A CONTRACT MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COUNSELING BOARD WOULD WANT TO SEE MOVE TO THE EDC FOR THAT PURPOSE? THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY.
THAT'S, I MEAN IT AFFECTS COTTONWOOD AND YEAH, THIS ONE I THINK RELEVANT I THINK SHOULD COME OVER.
SO, SO THERE'S TECHNICALLY TWO DIFFERENT PARTS, BUT THEY'RE KIND OF INTERCONNECTED JUST LIKE THE LIVE OAK EXTENSION AND THEN THAT INTERSECTION SIMILARLY HAVE THIS INTERSECTION, BUT ALSO THE SEGMENT OF 1 32 79 AND AND LIMMER THAT RUNS THE ENTIRE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTIES.
IS THERE A CONSENSUS THAT BOTH THE INTERSECTION AND THAT ROAD THAT SHOULD I THINK SO, YEAH.
AND I WOULD SAY HONESTLY ON THIS ONE FROM THE DESIGN TOO, BECAUSE THE CITY'S MAXED, AND THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE EDC PROPERTY AND PROJECT, REMEMBER WHAT IT'S CALLED? CORE.
AND THIS IS ALSO ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS WHERE SOMEBODY WHO CAN WORK REALLY WELL WITH TDOT.
THE BEST, THE BEST ENGINEER IS WHEN YOUR AREA ENGINEER LEAVES AND RETIRES FROM TDOT AND GOES TO WORK FOR A FIRM AND YOU GO FIND THAT FIRM AND THEN YOU GET THAT PERSON THAT LEFT IN GOOD GRACES AND ALL OF A SUDDEN APPROVALS TEND TO GO A LOT SMOOTHER.
DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW SOMEONE LIKE THAT? I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE WENT, BUT HE DID JUST RETIRE LAST YEAR.
WELL IF HE'S OF PE YOU CAN LOOK HIM UP.
BUT IT DOES SAY LIMITED TO OR NOT LIMITED TO.
SO IS THERE ANY PROJECT FROM EITHER BONNIE THAT YOU WANTED TO THROW ON THE TABLE FOR POTENTIAL DELEGATION TO THE EDV? WELL, I'M SURE THERE ARE, BUT FOR ME I WOULD WANNA KNOW WHERE THAT OVERLAP IS.
I WANNA HAVE FOCUS LIKE YEAH, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE ROADS AND WHAT'S THE IMPACT AND WHAT DOES THAT REALLY LOOK LIKE? UM, JUST 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW WOULD HELPFUL, AT LEAST TO ME.
SO CAN THAT ALSO INCLUDE
WE'VE GOT 'EM OUT, WE'VE GOT PROJECTS.
THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN CITY LIMITS.
WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT WE, WE JUST PUSHED THEM OUT BECAUSE WE'RE LIKE, UNTIL THIS GETS ANNEXED IN ORTEL.
SO YEAH, WE'VE GOT 60 SOMETHING PROJECTS.
AT LEAST GOOD TO HAVE A VISION, YOU KNOW, CREATE A MAP THAT SHOWS OKAY, NEXT YEAR, FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS HAVE VISION.
AND I THINK THAT HELPS PUT THE PUZZLE PIECES TOGETHER AND THIS WILL BE A LITTLE MORE PROACTIVE.
WELL, WELL THAT MAP EXISTS AS THE MASTER MOBILITY PLAN.
THAT'S WHERE THE PROJECTS THAT WE LIST ON THE CIP COME FROM.
SO FIVE YEARS AGO WE DIDN'T HAVE A-C-I-P-P PLAN.
WE WERE, I WE WERE OPERATING OUR CITY BUDGET OFF AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET.
SO SINCE THEN, NOW WE HAVE A CIP PLAN.
THIS IS WHAT YEAR OR TWO HAS FULLY BEEN DONE JAMES? CORRECT.
AND THEN NOW WE HAVE A SOPHISTICATED BUDGETING SOFTWARE THAT WE DON'T ACCIDENTALLY FORGET TO PUT A SYMBOL IN EXCEL FORMULA.
I GO, WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE THE 10 MILLION WE THOUGHT WE HAD, WE PUT A WRONG NUMBER IN THERE OR RECEIVE PAYMENTS AND NOT KNOW.
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NOW IT ALL BALANCES OUT AND, AND EXACTLY WE HAVE A CFO THAT DOES A GREAT JOB AND SO IT'S A QUITE DIFFERENT WORLD.BUT, BUT I THINK THAT TOO HELPS EVERYONE BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST OKAY, WHAT'S ON THE, WHAT'S ON THE RADAR FOR NEXT MONTH.
NOT A SHORT TERM VISION, BUT ACTUALLY SEEING HOW THIS IS FITTING INTO AN ANTICIPATED, UH, EXPANSION OF THE CITY.
SO THE COUNCIL WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE LIER LOOP, UH, 1 31 32 FROM LI LOOP 79 AND THE INTERSECTION AND DESIGNATED AS A EDC PRIORITY.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, IS IT ALL OF LIER LOOP AND THE SEGMENT OF 1 32 BETWEEN THAT OR WERE YOU SAYING LIER LOOP IS THE NO, JUST 1 32 LI LOOP DOWN PORTERFIELD AND THORNTON DISCUSSION.
NO, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE NEW AND ALL, BUT FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN.
I I WAS TAKING CARE OF TIME THERE, YOU KNOW.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? 1 32 LIER TO 79 AND THE INTERSECTION.
ALRIGHT, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.
IF YOU WANNA DO ANYTHING ON THE EDC SIDE, YOU WANNA ACCEPT IT? REJECT IT.
SO DO YOU WANT YEAH, WE CAN ACCEPT IT.
HOW DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION MOTION TO ACCEPT THE EVENT LOOP TO SW UM, OBJECT EDC AND THE INTERSECTION OF 1 32 AND 79.
SECOND MOTION PRESENTED BY VICE CHAIR.
MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO DISCUSSION THAT THEIR SIGN IS SUFFICIENCY IN GOVERNMENT WORKS.
UH, I WILL ADJOURN THE CITY COUNCIL AT 6 47.