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[Planning and Zoning on July 7, 2026.]
ON TUESDAY, JULY 7TH.SO WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR TUESDAY, JULY 7TH, 2026 TO ORDER.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANYONE.
ALRIGHT, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 4.1, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JUNE 2ND, 2026.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM VICE CHAIR W AND I'M SORRY, WAS THAT THAT WAS NORMA.
A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DELAY.
ALRIGHT, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR VOTE.
CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE IRONWOOD REPL LOT THREE BLOCK A AND LOTS ONE THROUGH THREE.
BLOCK B PLAT NUMBER IS 26 0 0 1 3.
UH, MRS. MANNY HERNANDEZ FOR THE RECORD.
UM, HERE IS THE MAP THAT WENT OUT, UH, IN THE NEWSPAPER AND TO THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENCE AS WELL.
UM, WHEN THIS WAS NOTIFIED, YOU'LL SEE THIS IS THE EXISTING SCENARIO YOU HAVE ON THE SOUTH, SOUTH SIDE.
IN THAT BOLD LINE IS, UM, BLOCK B, AND THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE IS BLOCK A.
AND I'LL BE GOING OVER HOW THIS WILL BE CHANGING HERE IN A SECOND.
SO ORIGINALLY CLADDED IN MAY OF 2024, UM, WITH A TOTAL OF, UH, SIX LOTS, UH, THREE IN LOT, UM, BLOCK A AND THREE IN BLOCK B.
UM, THE EXIST, THE CURRENT SCENARIO OR EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE THAT, UH, LOT THREE BLOCK A HAS TWO BUILDINGS ON THE LOT, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS WANTING TO SUBDIVIDE, UH, THOSE TWO, UH, BUILDINGS INTO TWO SEPARATE LOTS.
SO TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, WE'RE GOING DOWN THE ROUTE OF A REPL OF THE CURRENTLY RECORDED PLAT.
UH, THE DOCUMENT NUMBER IS THERE FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE.
UM, SO AS STATED, UH, THIS REQUEST INVOLVES SPLITTING, UH, LOT THREE, UH, BLOCK A INTO TWO SEPARATE LOTS, UM, TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO BUILDINGS.
AND THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE, THOSE, UH, THREE LOTS, UH, WILL BE COMBINED INTO ONE SINGLE LOT.
AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY, UM, UNDEVELOPED.
SO THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE IS, UM, UNDEVELOPED AND THERE'S NO PLANS FOR DEVELOPMENT AT THIS TIME.
THE EXISTING BUILDINGS WILL NOT BE ENCROACHING ACROSS NEW LOT LINES, AND THEY MEET ALL REQUIRED SETBACKS.
THE, UH, SURROUNDING USES ARE TO THE NORTH, YOU HAVE A, A ROAD PARKER WAY, RIGHT, RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING TO THE SOUTH.
YOU HAVE RIGHT OF WAY FOR US, HIGHWAY 79 TO THE EAST.
YOU HAVE INNOVATION BOULEVARD AND SOME GENERAL COMMERCIAL B TWO.
AND TO THE WEST YOU HAVE ALLIANCE BOULEVARD AND THE FUTURE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
SO, UM, HERE WE HAVE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND THE CURRENT ZONING MAP ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WITH THE LOTS HIGHLIGHTED IN THAT GREEN, UH, BORDER.
UM, JUST TO FURTHER HELP YOU GUYS BE SITUATED AS TO WHERE THIS IS, UM, AS YOU CAN TELL ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, IT IS THAT EMPLOYMENT CENTER WHICH, UM, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL
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FI FALLS RIGHT IN LINE WITH.AND IT IS CURRENTLY ZONE LIGHT, UH, ZONE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AS PREVIOUSLY STATED.
UM, SO THIS IS THE, UH, EXISTING PLAT.
UH, I KNOW IT'S, COULD BE A LITTLE BIT HARD TO READ, BUT IT IS IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL IF YOU NEED TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK.
UM, YOU HAVE THOSE, UH, THREE, THERE IS THOSE DASHED LINES WHICH ADD A LITTLE BIT OF THAT CONFUSION, BUT IF YOU IGNORE THOSE LIKE THE BOLD DASH LINES, UM, AND YOU LOOK AT THE MORE FINER DASH LINES, YOU'LL SEE THOSE THREE LOTS ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND THEN THE THREE LOTS ON THE NORTH SIDE.
AND IT'S LOT THREE BLOCK A, WHICH IS THAT, UM, SOUTHEAST LOT THAT WILL BE DIVIDED INTO TWO.
AND THEN THOSE THREE NORTH LOTS, WHICH ARE ACTUALLY BLA BLOCK B.
SO THAT WAS MY MISTAKE EARLIER.
THAT'LL BE, UH, COMBINED INTO ONE.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT HERE IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES.
SO THERE'S, UM, LOT THREE A OR LOT THREE BLOCK A, WHICH IS NOW GONNA BE LOT THREE A AND THREE B, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT SUBDIVISION.
AND WE DID ASK THE APPLICANT FOR A MAP, OR I MEAN A DIAGRAM THAT OVERLAYS THE EXISTING BUILDING SO THAT WE COULD VERIFY THAT, UH, IT'S NOT ENCROACHING ON ANY SETBACKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, JUST SO YOU GUYS ARE AWARE.
AND THEN HERE'S THAT NORTH ONE THAT BLOCK B, AND THAT'LL NOW BE LOT ONE A AND THERE'LL BE ALL COMBINED INTO ONE.
SO, UM, NOTICES WERE SENT OUT AS PREVIOUSLY STATED WITHIN A 200 FEET RADIUS.
UH, WHILE WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY, UM, WRITTEN FEEDBACK, UM, WE DID RECEIVE A CALL FROM ALAMO MINI STORAGE, UM, WITH COM, UH, CONCERNS REGARDING THE ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS, UH, COVERAGE AS WHEN ATLAS 14 WAS TAKEN INTO EFFECT.
IT DID PLACE ONE OF THEIR BUILDINGS INTO THE FLOODPLAIN.
UM, SO WITH THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT, THEY ARE CONCERNED, BUT, UH, THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT HAS UNDERGONE ENGINEERING REVIEW.
IT HAS UNDERGONE A LMER AS WELL, UM, WITH FEMA.
AND SO STAFF FINDS NO, UM, CONCERNS OVER THE IMPACT, UM, OF THIS NEW BUILDING.
UM, AND SO THIS PLA IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE SHOCK CLOCK BILL AND, UH, CONFORMS TO THE UDC AND THE CITY OF HU DESIGN STANDARD STANDARDS.
ALL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AND FOR THAT REASON, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, THIS DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I AM GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:08 PM IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:08 PM AND OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION.
I DO, I DO HAVE A COMMENT BEFORE WE BEGIN.
UH, ALAMO PUBLIC STORAGE, HAVE THEY BEEN PROVIDED WITH THE, I'M GONNA SAY THE ENGINEER SUMMARY OF THE DRAINAGE, BECAUSE THAT MAY HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER OF OURS, UH, FOREST WILLIAMS WHO'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, HAS BEEN THE MAIN POINT OF COMMUNICATION WITH THE APP, UH, UM, WITH ALAMO MINI STORAGE.
UM, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT EMAIL CHAIN TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WAS PROVIDED, BUT I KNOW THAT, UM, THAT THAT INFORMATION WAS CONVEYED TO THEM REGARDING THE LMER AND THE FLOOD STUDIES FROM THE ENGINEER.
NOW, AS FAR AS ANY OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S BEEN HANDED OVER OR IF THAT WOULD REQUIRE A OPEN RECORDS REQUEST ON THEIR END OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO, YEAH, I, I REMEMBER WHEN THIS CAME FORWARD IN 2024, AND THAT WAS A CONCERN AT THAT TIME.
AND I'M JUST NOT SURE IF THEY, IF ALAMO EVER RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM THE CITY SAYING, HERE'S THE ENGINEER SUMMARY TO ALLEVIATE YOUR WORRIES ABOUT ADDITIONAL FLOODPLAIN ENCROACHMENT.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT I HAD ON THAT ONE.
SO WE'D BE HAPPY TO, UM, IF THAT'S A DIRECTION YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE STAFF TO PROVIDE THAT TO THEM, WE, WE CAN GO DOWN THAT ROAD.
OTHERWISE, UM, I CAN UPDATE YOU AS TO WHAT, UH, INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED.
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, EITHER WAY, JUST LET ME KNOW.
YEAH, I'M JUST, I'M JUST THINKING THAT THAT'LL HELP ELIMINATE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS AND THEN IF THEY DO HAVE FURTHER
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QUESTIONS, THEY'VE GOT A VERY SOLID POINT OF CONTACT IN THE CITY SO THEY CAN ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AND NOT BE, BE THINKING THAT THERE'S SOME, YEAH.THEY'RE NOT IN THE DARK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
CAN, CAN YOU BRING UP THE, THE PLAT OR, UM, NOT, WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WHICH ONE WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN SHOW ME WHERE ALAMO'S MINI STORAGE IS IN RELATIONSHIP TO WHICH ONE OF THESE PROPERTIES ABUTS TO THEM OR, OR IT'S NOT ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE HAVE PULLED.
I CAN ZOOM IN HERE, BUT IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR PACKET, THESE TWO GRAY LOTS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THE, THE POINTS OF INTEREST FOR THIS.
AND SO JUST NORTH, THIS FAR RIGHT LOT HERE WOULD BE ALAMO MINI STORAGE WHERE MY MOUSE IS.
SO IF YOU TAKE A LOOK IN YOUR PACKET, IT'LL BE THAT THOSE, THOSE TWO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEY'RE DIRECTLY NORTH.
YEAH, IT'S E IT'S EAST OF THE DRIVE VERY NORTH OF WHERE THAT IS.
WHERE, LET ME, LET ME DOUBLE CHECK FOR YOU.
WE WE'RE DOUBLE CHECKING FOR WEST OF THE DRIVE.
YEAH, IT'S ACTUALLY OVER ON THE WEST SIDE.
THERE'S ANOTHER STORAGE CENTER ON THE NORTH SIDE, RIGHT? LET'S, I I THINK ALAMO IS THE ONE THAT IS FRONT IT FRONTS ON INNOVATION.
AND SORRY, THEY ARE BACKED BY THE DRAINAGE HERE.
I'LL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND PULL UP UH, GOOGLE MAPS REAL QUICK JUST TO ORIENT YOURSELF OF THEIR PROPERTY.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S, FROM WHAT I'M SEEING, THERE'D BE MUTE BECAUSE, YEP.
SO THIS BIG VACANT PARCEL HERE AND THESE TWO BUILDINGS HERE ARE THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES.
AND THEN ALAMO IS OVER HERE TO THE WEST.
IT'S GONNA BE AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THAT BLOCK.
BECAUSE OF THE DRAINAGE, THE AREA THAT'S IN BLADDER.
WHAT IS THAT BE? THAT'D BE DIFFERENT.
IS THAT THIS, THIS FE HERE? THIS ONE WHERE MY MOUSE IS? YEAH.
THAT'S, UH, CURRENTLY LOT ONE BLOCK B.
WE'D HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER, UH, MY QUESTION IS ON, UH, LOT THREE BLOCK A UH, I AM INTERESTED IN DRIVE ACCESS.
IS THAT, ARE BOTH OF THOSE LOTS GOING TO BE ACCESSING, I BELIEVE IT'S PARKER WAY OR IS ONE OF THOSE GOING TO SOMEHOW MAGICALLY BE ALLOWED TO DUMP ONTO 79? SORRY.
YOU'RE ASKING THE ACCESS FOR THE TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS? NO.
YEAH, FOR THE TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS? YES.
AND THAT MIGHT BE JUST AS SIMPLE AS A GOOGLE LOOK AGAIN.
WE'RE THE APPLICANT IF YOU WANNA STUDY.
UH, HOLLY SCHEFFLER HERE WITH WESTWOOD.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE, BOTH PROPERTIES WILL ACCESS THAT PARKER WAY.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T, UH, GOING TO, UH, IRRITATE TECH.NO.
HOW DO WE CARE ABOUT THAT? THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT US.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? OKAY, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR 5.1.
I I'LL MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT 5.1 SECOND.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DE DELAY AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HALL.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION, BUT I WOULD LIKE, UH, ALAMO TO RECEIVE THAT SUMMARY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE MOTION OR NOT.
I THINK YOU PROBABLY SHOULD MAKE IT PART OF THE MOTION.
BUT IF THEY ALREADY HAVE IT, THEN WELL, OKAY.
SO WE'RE PROTECTING OUR, WOULD YOU
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BE OKAY WITH A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO ADD? YEAH.GO AHEAD AND ADD ADD, ADD THE AMENDMENT TO HAVE ALAMO.
ALRIGHT, WELL THEN IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON TITAN INNOVATION BUSINESS PARK, PHASE THREE, LOT FIVE, BLOCK ONE, AMENDED PLAT.
MANNY HERNANDEZ AGAIN FOR THE RECORD.
UH, ONE SECOND AS I GET THE SLIDESHOW BACK UP.
SO ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE STARTING OFF OUR SLIDE SET WITH THE, UH, MAP THAT WAS SENT OUT JUST SO YOU GUYS CAN GET ORIENTED AS TO, UM, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
UM, WHERE IT'S SITUATED, UH, PRETTY CLOSE TO THE PREVIOUS SUBJECT PROPERTY JUST A LITTLE BIT NORTH.
UM, SO THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PLANTED IN DECEMBER OF 2025.
THE ORIGINAL PLAT INCLUDED A FLAG LOT, UM, AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, SINCE THAT TIME, THE END USER FOR THE SITE HAS CHANGED AND THE NEW USER REQUIRES THE FRONT PORTION OF THE TRACK TO BE INDEPENDENTLY PLATTED TO MEET, UH, THEIR OPERATIONAL AND SITE LAYOUT NEEDS.
SO TO SUPPORT THIS CHANGE, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED AN AMENDED PLAT FOR LOT FIVE BLOCK ONE.
THE AMENDED PLAT CHANGES THE SHAPE OF THE EXISTING PLATTED LAW IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE SITE NEEDS FOR THE NEW END USER.
UM, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS AN AMENDED PLAT TO MODIFY THE LOT CONFIGURATION OF LOT FIVE BLOCK ONE.
UM, AND AS STATED, IT'LL SUPPORT THAT NEW END USER THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE HAVING COMING IN FOR.
SO THE CURRENT SURROUNDING USES ARE, UM, LIMMER LOOP RIGHT OF WAY TO THE NORTH.
YOU HAVE TO THE SOUTH, YOU HAVE SOME LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING TO THE EAST, YOU HAVE SOME SINGLE FAMILY ONE ZONING, AND TO THE WEST YOU HAVE SOME MORE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING.
THE CURRENT ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AS WELL.
SO HERE WE HAVE THAT FUTURE LAND USE MAP ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND THE CURRENT ZONING MAP ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WITH THE SAME, UM, NEON GREEN OUTLINE.
TO HIGHLIGHT THE PARCELS IN QUESTION, UM, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT ONLY, UM, ONE OF THESE HAVE, HAVE BEEN PLATTED ONE OF THE LOTS.
SO WHILE THERE ARE THREE PARCELS HERE, NOT ALL OF THEM HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PLATTING PROCESS, AND THAT'LL BE MORE CLEARLY DEPICTED ON THESE FOLLOWING IMAGES THAT I HAVE FOR YOU GUYS IN THE SLIDE DECK.
UM, BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND ON THIS, UM, THE, UH, APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL MEETS THE FOLLOWING REQUIRED CRITERIA.
THERE IS NO INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF LOTS.
THE AMENDED PLAQUE CONTINUES TO CONTAIN ONE LOT, LOT FIVE BLOCK ONE.
UM, THE RESULTING LOT MEETS MINIMUM ZONING STANDARDS.
THE PROPOSED LOT MEETS THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
THERE IS NO NON-CONFORMING SETBACKS CREATED AT THIS TIME, AS THERE ARE NO BUILDINGS ON THE SITE THAT WILL BE AFFECTED OR PLACED INTO THIS UN UH, NON-CONFORMING STATUS.
UM, NO ADVERSE IMPACTS TO EASEMENT, DRAINAGE OR ACCESS.
UM, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICATION OF SUBDIVISION STANDARDS AND, UM, WE'RE NOT CUTTING AWAY ANY NON-CONFORMING USES OR STRUCTURES.
SO, UM, BASED ON THIS CRITERIA, STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUEST CAN BE PRO, UH, PROCESSED AS AN AMENDED PLAT, UM, PROVIDED THAT THE COUNTY ALSO DETERMINES THAT THE PROPOSED CONFIGURATION MEETS THEIR STANDARDS FOR ACCEPTANCE.
SO HERE WE HAVE THE EXISTING RECORDED PLAT, AND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT, UM, ON THE FAR EAST SIDE, WHICH IS, UM, TRUE NORTH, BUT, UM, UH, IS REPRESENTED TO THE RIGHT HERE ON THIS MAP.
THAT'S LIMMER LOOP, UM, ON THE, ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE.
UM, AND SO YOU'LL HAVE THAT FLAG A LOT THERE.
AND SO YOU HAVE, UM, LOT FIVE BLOCK ONE AS STATED, AND YOU'LL SEE HERE HOW THAT KIND OF CHANGES.
UH, UM, UH, THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THIS IMAGE HAS THE DIAGRAM OF WHAT'S CHANGING.
SO IF YOU WANT TO GET A CLOSER LOOK AT THAT IN YOUR PACKET, THAT WILL BE REALLY HELPFUL
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FOR YOU TO ORIENT YOURSELF.SO, UM, THAT DARK BLACK LINE WITHIN THIS IMAGE IS THE PREVIOUSLY, UH, PROOF PLAT.
SO THE FAR SOUTH OR FAR LEFT IS GONNA BE KIND OF ABANDONED, AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS MORE STEREOTYPICAL RECTANGULAR LOT.
AND SO SOME OF THAT LAND THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY UN PLATTED WILL NOT BECOME LOT FIVE BLOCK ONE.
AND SOME OF THAT PREVIOUSLY PLATTED LAND WILL NOW BE UN PLATTED THROUGH THIS AMENDED PLAT.
UM, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS THROUGH THIS AND I DO BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS IN THE ROOM.
UM, AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS AS WELL.
UM, SO THIS PLAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE SHOCK CLOCK BILL AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS PLAT AS IT CONFORMS TO THE UDC.
THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND ALL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED FROM PLANNING AND ENGINEERING AND EROSION RESPECTIVELY.
ALL RIGHT, SO THIS ONE, UH, IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I THINK WE CAN JUMP RIGHT INTO COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS OF WHICH I'VE GOT A COUPLE BIG SURPRISE AS WELL.
I SEE THAT THIS, THAT THE PROPERTY BORDERS UP AGAINST THE RESIDENTIAL.
UH, WHAT KIND OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IS GONNA BE GOING IN ALONG THAT RESIDENTIAL AND HOW'S THE RESIDENCE GONNA BE AFFECTED? AND IF THERE'S GONNA BE A, UH, AFFECTED, WHAT BARRIERS GONNA BE PUT IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE RESIDENCE? SO AS FAR AS THE END USER, I'M NOT AWARE.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND THEY MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, AS FAR AS BUFFER REQUIREMENTS, OUR UDC DOES HAVE, UM, BUFFER REQUIREMENTS WHEN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IS ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY ONE.
AND SO AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN, WHEN THAT USER STARTS TO DEVELOP THE LAND, UM, THOSE REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE IN PLACE.
I BELIEVE THAT'D BE OUR HIGH LEVEL BUFFER YARD, WHICH INCLUDES LIKE, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CODE EXACTLY, BUT I KNOW THAT A SIX FOOT FENCE, A MASONRY WALL IS INVOLVED AS WELL AS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FEET OF, UH, LANDSCAPING.
AND IF THE WALL IS NOT PROVIDED, THEN THAT LANDSCAPING AREA IS INCREASED TO A GREATER DISTANCE.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER MEMORIZED, BUT OKAY.
UM, THAT THOSE ARE OUR REQUIREMENTS.
SO THEN, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION, SO WHEN THE MIGHT BE TRYING TO SLEEP MM.
AND IF THERE'S SECURITY LIGHTING GOING ON 24 7, THAT'D BE A CONCERN OF MINE.
SO, UM, AS WHEN FOR LIGHTING R CODE DOES READ THAT AT THE PROPERTY LINE, IT'S A MAXIMUM OF, UM, 15 LUXE.
UM, AND THEN IT'S, UH, A LITTLE BIT, THERE'S A, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.
I BELIEVE IT'S 10 LUX FOR NON CAUGHT, UH, NON CUTOFF LIGHTS, AND THEN IT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER FOR LIGHTS THAT CUT OFF AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO, UM, CAN, CAN WE GET, UM, A JUST A BRIEF EXPLANATION OF WHAT THE, THE END USER, THE OPERATIONAL NEED IS? WOULD YOU ABLE TO, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT EITHER OF Y'ALL PART OF THE APPLICATION? SO BRANDON TALKING TO YOU.
BRIAN BIRD TITAN DEVELOPMENT, UM, DEVELOPER FOR THE LOT.
UM, CAN'T DISCLOSE WHO THE USER IS AT THIS POINT.
BUT IT'LL BE A TRADITIONAL, UM, WAREHOUSING, UM, AND DISTRIBUTION TYPE USER.
SO LIKE TRUCKS AT ANY TIME OF DAY OR IS THAT WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING? UM, I THINK IT'LL BE NO, UH, USUAL TRAFFIC FROM THE USER.
IS, IS OUR UNDERSTANDING AT, AT THIS POINT IN TIME YES, SIR.
HAZARDS MATERIALS THAT BE CONCERNED ABOUT NOT OUT OF THE ORDINARY, I WOULD SAY.
I MEAN, LIKE FUEL, THERE'S FUEL ON SITE, THAT'S A HAZARDOUS MATERIAL.
BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE IN ANY EXCESS QUANTITIES THAT, UM, YOU WOULD SEE OUTSIDE OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
SO, SO YOU'RE GONNA PUT UP THE SAME TYPE OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, CORRECT? YES SIR.
THIS PROPERTY AND APPEARANCE WISE AS WELL.
UM, SO I'M SURE YOU WILL ABIDE BY ALL THE RULES AND OUR UDC AS FAR AS THE POSITION OF THE BUILDING.
I KNOW BEFORE THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE LOADING DOCKS FACING THE, THE RESIDENTS.
AND SO THAT'S BEEN WORKED OUT AND, AND IT WILL BE YEAH.
CORRECTLY THAT WHERE IT'S NOT GONNA BE.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, DID WE SEND OUT NOTICES TO THE RESIDENTS? YES, WE DID.
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NOT FOR, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT.I WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS A REQUIREMENT OR NOT.
AND THEN WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND THE REST OF THIS BUSINESS PARK, HOW'S THAT GONNA WORK? 'CAUSE YOU'RE BASICALLY ONE LOT.
SO IT'S, IF YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PULL IT, THE, THIS LOT ACTUALLY WON'T BE ADJACENT, DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THOSE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY AND THE, THE CHURCH THAT'S ON THE, THE PLAN SOUTH HERE.
UM, TRUE EAST, THERE'S A 50 FOOT FLAG LOT THAT SERVICES THAT, UM MM-HMM
AND THEN ACTUALLY THE, THE INTENT AS OF NOW IS, UM, TO, TO USE THE EXISTING ROADWAYS, UH, THAT ARE INSIDE THE LOT AND BACK TO LIMMER LOOP TO KIND OF SERVICE THAT, THAT, UH, BUILDING IN THE BACK.
SO ESSENTIALLY THE, THAT DRIVEWAY, I'LL CALL IT ON THE TOP OF THE LOT, THE WEST SIDE, THE OLD FLAG LOT, THE OLD FLAG LOT, YES.
THAT'S GOING AWAY AND IT'S MOVING TO THE SOUTH, OR I'M SORRY, TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE LOT, THE BOTTOM OF THE BOX.
SO THE, UH, OLD FLAG LOT WILL REMAIN AS AN ACCESS EASEMENT FOR THAT BACK PROPERTY.
UM, OH, IT WILL AND, AND INTERNAL ACCESS TO THE PARK.
THE, THE SUBJECT LOT, LOT FIVE BLOCK ONE, UM, WILL HAVE A, A PRIMARY ACCESS POINT, UH, SECURED ACCESS POINT OF ONE, ONE DRIVE ONTO LIMMER LOOP.
SO THEN, AND IT'S NOT ON HERE, BUT, UM, IT MIGHT BE VERY HARD TO READ.
UM, LOOKING AT THE LOVELY MAP HERE, SO I'M LOOKING AT PARCEL R 6 4 0 0 7 0 WILL HAVE ITS OWN ACCESS THROUGH THAT DRIVEWAY TO LIMMER BOTH OF THOSE LOTS.
IT WOULD NOT BE ISOLATED BOTH OF THOSE LOTS.
SO THE, THE, THE LOT ENDING IN 3 8 5, AND THEN THE LOT ENDING IN OH SEVEN OH REMAIN UN PLATTED.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THEM ACCESSED BACK TO LIMMER LOOP.
LEGALLY, LEGALLY PLATTED IN 2024, IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT, UH, 3 8 5 WITH SOME CREATIVE GRADING COULD ACCESS THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE TO THE SOUTHWEST OR THE, UH, CUL-DE-SAC.
CUL-DE-SAC, NOT TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S POSSIBLE OR NOT, BUT WE WERE TOLD THAT IT MAY BE A POSSIBILITY.
SO I THINK YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT A, UH, IF YOU'VE GOT A DRIVE, UH, EASEMENT OUT TO LIMMER FOR THE OH SEVEN OH LOT, THEN I THINK WE'RE OKAY BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT I SAW SEEMED TO INDICATE THAT THE 3 8 5 FLAG WOULD BE OKAY.
SO IF WE DO THE SAME SORT OF THING ON OH SEVEN, OH, I THINK WE'LL BE ALL RIGHT.
MY CONCERN WITH THAT IS THE TRAFFIC, BECAUSE THAT IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, SO THE, THE, IN THE, THE INTENT RIGHT NOW IS ACTUALLY NOT TO USE THAT, UM, FLAG LOT FOR, FOR ACCESS DRIVE FOR THAT.
LIKE I SAID, THE, THE OH SEVEN OH AND THE 3 85 ARE LIKELY GONNA BE, UM, A SINGLE LOT.
UM, AND THEN THEIR DRIVE WOULD, THEIR ACCESS WOULD BE THROUGH THE OLD FLAG LOT.
SO THERE'S, WE'RE NOT PLANNING FOR AND WITH, UM, THIS END USER'S, UH, SITE PLAN, A LOT OF THE MAJORITY OF THAT AREA, AGAIN, I WAS, UH, HERE WITH THE, UH, PREVIOUS, UH, BUILDING THAT WAS PLATTED AND UP AGAINST THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MM-HMM
UM, THERE WAS LOTS OF CONSTERNATION ABOUT THAT.
ALL OF THOSE ARE BEING FOLLOWED.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A LANDSCAPING BURN, THERE'S A MASON WALL AS MENTIONED AS WELL AS INCREASED, UH, LANDSCAPING.
UM, THAT SITS KIND OF IN THAT FLAG.
THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE FLAG LOT FOR THAT BACK LOT.
UM, THERE WON'T BE ABLE TO BE A DRIVE THERE.
UH, WOULD THAT, UH, COMING OFF CHAIRS QUESTION, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT WOULD BE WITH RESIDENTS AND 18 WHEELERS AND SUCH? WE HAVE CONDUCTED A, A FULL TIA OKAY.
THAT'S BEEN APPROVED FOR THIS, UM, SITE HERE.
AND WE'LL, IT'LL BE, UH, REVISED AGAIN OR NOT REVISED, BUT IT'LL BE, UM, REVIEWED AGAIN WITH THE, UH, SITE PLAN.
BUT WE DO HAVE A TIA FOR THIS.
UH, NOT JUST THIS LOT, BUT ACTUALLY THE REMAINING 50 ACRES WHEN SOUND LIKE YOU'RE BEING RESPONSIBLE.
WHEN WAS THE TIA SUBMITTED OR DONE? A YEAR AGO.
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OKAY.UH, SUGGESTION MOTION? MM-HMM
UH, I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH CHIEF DUANE, UH, PD.
AND IN THE PAST HE SAID THAT THEY'VE HAD ACCESS TO COME IN AND REVIEW SUCH PLAS LIKE THIS, UH, TO SEE WHAT PUBLIC SAFETY, WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
AND IN HIS QUOTE, UH, HE IS NOT CLEANING UP AFTER US.
HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE IT LOOKS GOOD.
AND HAS ANY QUESTIONS THEN THE PD BE ALLOWED TO FIX ANY CONCERNS BEFORE WE GIVE OUR OKAY.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE CAN, WE CAN POSTPONE.
OR, UH, I'M GONNA SAY OTHER, OTHER MUNICIPAL ENTITIES TO CHIME IN.
UH, IF THEY WANT TO CHIME IN, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT.
I'M NOT A LAWYER, I'M NOT LEGAL, BUT FROM, FROM MY EIGHT YEARS OF EXPERIENCE ON, ON HERE, I THINK THEY HAVE TO BE HERE TO, I TOLD HIM WHEN WE CHIME IN, I TOLD 'EM WHEN WE MEET AND JUST BEING A MAN IN MY WORDS SAID I WOULD BRING THIS UP WHEN I SEE SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE.
BUT I DID TELL 'EM, HEY, WE DO HAVE P AND Z EVERY SECOND TUESDAY OR YEP.
YOU KNOW, THE FIRST TUESDAY OF THE MONTH.
IS IT CERTAINLY SOMETHING I'M WILLING TO CONSIDER IF THEY WANT TO BRING IT TO US? IS IT, IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE COUNTY THAT'S STILL OUTSTANDING? NO.
WHAT, WHAT IS IT, THIS IS STILL PENDING COUNTY ACCEPTANCE, CORRECT? NO.
THE COMMENT REGARDING THE COUNTY IN THE SLIDES IS BECAUSE ONCE YOU GUYS SIGN IT, IT DOES GET SENT TO GET RECORDED WITH THE COUNTY.
SOMETIMES THEY HAVE COMMENTS WHEN IT GETS THERE.
I MEAN, USUALLY IT'S A NON-ISSUE, BUT OKAY.
WE WOULDN'T KNOWN UNTIL IT WENT TO THE COUNTY.
IS THERE ANY KIND OF ROAD ACCESS, I KNOW LIMBS BEING CURRENTLY EXTEND OR EXPANDED, IS THERE KIND OF ANY SLOW DOWN LANES THAT NEEDS TO GO IN HERE THAT WE WERE DEACCELERATION? YEAH, DEACCELERATION.
WE'RE WORKING WITH, UM, THE ENGINEER WORKING ON, UM, LIMMER TO ENSURE ALL ACCESS IS, UM, PROVIDED AND, AND COORDINATED.
YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER THE MINIMAL TRAFFIC IMPACT WITH IT DUMPING ON THE LIMB AND LIMB BEING SO BUSY NOW IS, I KNOW YOU DID A TIA, BUT I'M STILL A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THAT DUMPING OUT WHAT QUARTER OF A MILE FROM THAT INTERSECTION, THAT MAJOR INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE.
WELL, I I, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT WE DO HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, WHICH IS TRUE TO WIDEN THIS GLIMMER.
SO I'M, I'M SURE THAT IT'LL ALL BE TAKEN CARE OF.
THE ENGINEER HAS PROVIDED THE DIRECTION TO TIGHTEN THAT, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO NEED THIS AND THIS AND THIS, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY IS BEING DEDICATED WITH THIS PLAT.
UM, AND PART OF THE TIA IS CONTRIBUTING, UM, TOWARDS, TOWARDS THAT THE, UH, TOWARDS THE IMPROVEMENT.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE FIRST OF THE, THE LIMMER WIDENING PROJECTS IS INNOVATION A SCHMIDT.
SO YEAH, I'D FORGOTTEN THE, THAT WAS ON THE CIP.
UM, AND JUST TO CONFIRM, UH, AGAIN FROM, UH, 0 7 0, WE WERE TOLD THIS IN 24, BUT JUST JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM.
0 7 0 WILL NOT HAVE ANY ACCESS TO THE PARKING OR DRIVES SOUTH OF THEIR SOUTHERN BOUNDARY.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO THERE'S NO, UH, TRU TRUE SOUTH CARDINAL SOUTH TRUE SOUTH, YES.
THE, THE O VIVO, UH, OR GUESS MEMBRANE BUILDING.
WELL THEN, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON 5.2 THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 5.2.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
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ALL RIGHT.WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HALL AND A VICE AND A SECOND BY VICE CHAIR WORTZ TO APPROVE FIVE TWO AS PRESENTED.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR VOTE.
MOTION PASSES 6 0 5 0.3, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE STROMBERG PUD AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS ZONING 26 0 18.
HELLO, MANNY HERNANDEZ ONCE MORE.
UM, SO ONCE AGAIN, HERE'S A MAP JUST TO HELP YOU GUYS ORIENT YOURSELF.
UM, YOU HAVE THAT FUTURE SOUTHEAST LOOP THERE, UM, WITH ITS MERGING WITH FM 33 49.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THIS PROJECT IS.
NOW, I KNOW THAT MANY OF YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THIS IN THE PAST, SO YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH IT ALREADY, BUT JUST ONCE MORE TO RE REORIENT YOURSELF, MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING HERE.
SO THIS IS THE STROMBERG SUBDIVISION CONSISTS OF APPRO APPROXIMATELY 372 ACRES.
IT'S LOCATED, UM, WITHIN HU CITY LIMITS, UH, LIES BETWEEN CR 1 32 TO THE NORTH AND THAT FUTURE, UM, SOUTHEAST LOOP OR EAST WILCO HIGHWAY TO THE SOUTH.
UM, AND APPROXIMATELY ONE MILE WEST OF FM 33 49 AS COULD BE SEEN ON THAT FORMER IMAGE.
UM, THIS PUD HAS BEEN, BEEN BEFORE YOU GUYS AND COUNCIL A FEW TIMES NOW.
UM, FIRST TIME ON JULY 2ND, 2024 WAS APPROVED, UH, IN ITS ENTIRETY, CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 15TH.
UM, WITH THAT ONE OPTION SCENARIO AT THE TIME, UM, THEN THEY CAME BACK TO PNZ AND COUNCIL, UH, AND SWITCHED OUT THAT SCENARIO THAT THEY HAD IN MIND, WHICH HAD BEEN THE 90 10, I BELIEVE.
AND, UM, WENT TO THE, UH, LEMME MAKE SURE I GET THIS RIGHT.
SO LEMME JUST READ THAT SECOND PARAGRAPH.
SO, UM, WHEN THEY WENT BACK FOR THAT SECOND TIME, THEY WENT TO THAT 90 10 OPTION, UM, WITH 90% RESIDENTIAL USES 10% NON-RESIDENTIAL USES.
AND THAT WAS APPROVED ON NOVEMBER 6TH, 2025.
SO THIS CURRENT AMENDMENT, UM, IS IN RESPONSE TO, UM, RAPIDLY CHANGING AND INCREASED MARKET DEMAND FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE REGION.
SO THEY'RE SEEKING TO RESTORE THAT, UM, FLEXIBILITY THAT WAS ESTABLISHED THE FIRST TIME AROUND.
AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO, UH, ESTABLISH THE ABILITY TO, UM, PICK BETWEEN ANY OF THE SCENARIOS AT WILL AND WITHOUT THE REQUIREMENT OF ANY ADDITIONAL FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENTS.
SO THIS NEW SCENARIO WOULD IMPLEMENT SCENARIO ONE AND SCENARIO TWO AS ORIGINALLY SEEN, AND A NEW, UM, SCENARIO THREE, WHICH THEY'RE LABELING AS SCENARIO TWO A, I BELIEVE, WITHIN THEIR P.
UM, SO THIS WOULD, THESE NEW SCENARIOS WOULD PROVIDE AT LEAST PERCENT, 10% OF THE AREA TO SUPPORT A SUBSTATION, UM, FOR THE, YOU KNOW, IF IT GOES FOR THE FULLY INDUSTRIAL, UH, SCENARIO.
UM, AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, THE APPLICANT SEEKS THIS, UM, THIS FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND, UM, QUICKLY TO, UM, MARKET DEMANDS.
SO TO THE NORTH WE HAVE ETJ TO THE SOUTH, WE HAVE RIGHT OF WAY, UM, FOR THAT WILCO HIGHWAY.
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY, WE HAVE MORE ETJ EAST IS ETJ AND WEST IS ETJ AS WELL.
SO HERE WE HAVE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE THAT FUTURE LAND USE MAP ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, OUR ZONING MAP.
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LAND USE MAP DOES CALL THIS AREA OUT AS NEIGHBORHOOD.UM, BUT AS STATED, THE, THE PUD WOULD, UM, ENABLE THEM TO GO WITH AN INDUSTRIAL SCENARIO WITHOUT REQUIRING A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT.
ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WE HAVE THAT ZONING MAP AS PREVIOUSLY STATED.
UM, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT ALL SURROUNDING USES ARE IN THAT WHITE COLOR BECAUSE THEIR ETJ AND NOT ZONED.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THAT LIGHT BROWN COLOR FOR THE PUD THAT IS THESE FOUR PARTIALS THAT ARE CONSIDERED, UM, STROMBERG BEAUTY.
SO STAFF REVIEWED THE APPLICATION HERE, THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS.
SO WE FIND THAT THIS REQUEST AS STATED EARLIER, IS TO, UM, INCREASE FLEXIBILITY AND BE ABLE TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT, UM, TO RECRUIT INDUSTRIAL USERS AND RESPOND TO THE MARKET AS NEEDED.
UM, STAFF PREFERS THAT THE PUD PROVIDE CLARITY AS TO THE DIRECTION THAT THEY ARE GOING TO GO IN.
UM, AND THE MULTIPLE SCENARIOS CREATES A CHALLENGE FOR LONG-TERM USE, PREDICTABILITY AND PLANNING AROUND TRAFFIC, UM, UTILITIES AND SO FORTH.
AND BEING ABLE TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FROM A ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS PERSPECTIVE.
THESE NEW PUD AMENDMENT DOES NOT, UH, PROPOSE ANY CHANGES TO THE, UM, STANDARDS OR, UH, DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS.
IT'S ONLY THE LAND USE THAT, UM, IS SEEKING THAT FLEXIBILITY OR OPTIONALITY.
UM, AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, THE SCENARIO FLEXIBILITY COMPLICATES A REVIEW FOR STAFF.
UM, SO HERE ARE THE THREE SCENARIOS.
YOU HAVE THE 90 10 RESIDENTIAL, WHICH WAS THE LAST AMENDMENT, AND WHAT WENT INTO PLAY.
UM, YOU HAVE THE 50 50 SCENARIO, 50 INDUSTRIAL, 50 RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN YOU HAVE A, A FULL INDUSTRIAL SCENARIO, UH, AS WELL.
UM, AND AS STATED, YOU KNOW, EACH OF THESE USES REALLY, UH, CHANGES THE DEMANDS THAT WE'LL BE SEEING FROM A WATER WASTEWATER PERSPECTIVE, FROM A ROAD PERSPECTIVE.
UM, AND THEN, UM, AS I STATED, STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE PAT PUD SHOULD BE CLEAR.
UM, BUT WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UM, UH, OTHER ADMINISTRATION AND EDC HAS, UM, UH, ADVERTISED THIS AS A POTENTIAL SITE FOR INDUSTRIAL RECRUITMENT AND DEVELOPMENT, UM, ALREADY.
UH, SO ON THE RIGHT BOTTOM RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU'LL SEE THAT LEGEND.
SO THAT, UH, RED IS COMMERCIAL, THAT ORANGE IS MULTIFAMILY, THAT LIGHT LIGHT YELLOW IS SINGLE FAMILY.
AND THAT, UM, DARK YELLOW WOULD BE TOWN HOMES.
UM, AND SCENARIO THREE OR SCENARIO TWO A, YOU HAVE A FULL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
SO PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, WERE NOTICED, UH, WITHIN 600 FEET AND A SIGN WAS POSTED ON CR 1 32.
UM, STAFF DID NOT RECEIVE ANY LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
UM, BUT THERE WERE TWO OBJECTIONS, AND THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, STAFF ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THIS PUD AMENDMENT IS, UM, POLICY DIRECTION TO PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY FOR INDUSTRIAL RECRUITMENT AND THAT IT REFLECTS THE DIRECTION OF EDC AND ADMINISTRATION.
ALRIGHT, WELL, THIS DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:45 PM IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.
SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:45 PM AND OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS.
WHERE ARE THEY? YEAH, COULD YOU PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE
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I'M HOLT DUNLOP, PARTNER AT WAYMAKER VENTURES.UM, APPRECIATE MANNY'S PREAMBLE THERE.
I I REALIZE THE HISTORY HERE SEEMS KIND OF CONVOLUTED, AND THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE SEEN THIS PROPERTY BEFORE PNZ.
I WOULD ARGUE THOUGH THAT THIS IS REALLY JUST A CLEANUP EFFORT.
UM, WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN WHAT, APRIL, 2021.
UM, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE NUMEROUS, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS IN AUTO OVER THE YEARS.
UM, HAVE ENJOYED A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY, AND THAT WAS OUR INTENT HERE.
ABOUT SIX MONTHS LATER, SAMSUNG GETS ANNOUNCED IN TAYLOR.
AND SO, UM, AS WE WERE WORKING THROUGH STAFF, UH, AT THE TIME, UH, THE IDEA OF GIVEN THE, THE CITY'S MEGA SIDE AND OUR PROXIMITY TO THE MEGA SIDE AND SAMSUNG, THE IDEA OF BAKING OPTIONALITY AND FLEXIBILITY INTO THE ZONING HERE WAS SOMETHING WE WORKED ON, YOU KNOW, HAND IN HAND WITH, UM, STAFF AT THE TIME.
UM, SOME OF THOSE STAFF MEMBERS ARE NO LONGER HERE.
UM, JAMES WAS INVOLVED IN THAT.
ASHLEY BAILEY WAS, UH, REALLY OUR PRIMARY CONTACT.
BUT WHEN WE ORIGINALLY SUB SUBMITTED THE PUT, I BELIEVE IT WAS 2024, UM, IT CONTAINED ALL THREE SCENARIOS, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL 50 50 SPLIT, AND THEN, UM, WE COULD GO UP TO A HUNDRED PERCENT NON-RESIDENTIAL.
UM, SO IT, IT REALLY ALLOWED FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT INDUSTRIAL TOO.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FOLKS WERE ON P AND Z AT THAT TIME, BUT IT WAS APPROVED.
UM, EVERYONE SAW THE REASONING BEHIND WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THIS SITE OF TOWN, THE FACT THAT THIS IS KIND OF A RURAL AREA, THE PROXIMITY TO THE MEGA SITE, AND A LOT OF THE INDUSTRIAL RUMORS THAT YOU HEAR WITH THESE BIG USERS COMING TO TOWN.
SO, UH, PNZ PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THIS DOCUMENT WHEN WE WENT TO COUNCIL ONE, COUNCIL MEMBER, A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, HE WANTED TO, UH, HE MADE A MOTION TO STICK WITH THE 50 50.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE ARGUED AT THAT TIME THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HELD, IF THAT WAS SUFFICIENT, YOU KNOW, FOR A FUTURE INDUSTRIAL USER, A COMPANY THAT WAS COMING TO TOWN, WE WERE TOLD, HEY, YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND AMEND THIS.
GREAT, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR 50 50 PLAN.
UM, THE CITY IS, IS ADVERTISING THE NORTHERN HALF TO USERS.
WE ACTUALLY HAD A, A, A FORTUNE 100 PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY THAT WAS INTERESTED IN BUYING THE ENTIRE SITE.
WE WORKED SIX MONTHS WITH THE CITY, WITH STAFF, THE ADMINISTRATION, TO SECURE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
UNFORTUNATELY, UH, THAT COMPANY, UH, ELECTED TO GO TO HOUSTON OVER, OVER HUDU PROBABLY FOR PROXIMITY TO THE MEDICAL CENTER.
FOLLOWING THAT EFFORT, WE SAID, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, OUR PREVIOUS BUSINESS PLAN HAS BEEN RESIDENTIAL.
TYPICALLY ON OUR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS HERE IN IN TOWN.
WE STARTED TO CREATE A PIT WORKING WITH STAFF AND DOTTIE TO CREATE A PI BOUNDARY OVER THIS ENTIRE PROPERTY.
DOTTIE, UH, LEGAL WANTED US TO COME BACK TO YOU FOLKS AND CREATE A FULL RESIDENTIAL ZONING BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT WHAT, UH, THE ADMINISTRATION HAD VOTED ON, UM, INITIALLY.
SO THAT WAS WHY WE WENT FROM 50 50 TO 90 10.
IT WAS REALLY A PI RELATED EFFORT.
YOU KNOW, YOU FAST FORWARD TO TODAY, UM, THE EDC IS MARKETING OUR SITE TO LARGE COMPANIES.
THERE'S, THERE IS A, A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL INTEREST RENEWED IN THIS AREA SUDDENLY.
AND WE ARE REALLY JUST WANTING TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PUD THAT YOU FOLKS APPROVED BACK IN 2024 THAT ALLOWS US THE FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITHOUT ZONING BEING A HURDLE IN THE FUTURE.
SO AGAIN, I THINK A LOT OF THIS ISN'T NEW.
IT, IT HAS BEEN BLESSED BY YOU FOLKS BEFORE, UM, AND, AND STAFF, UH, BEFORE.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GO BACK TO THAT AND, AND CLEAN IT UP, SO TO SPEAK, SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN THOSE OPTIONS GOING FORWARD.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT ON THE HISTORY HERE BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS CONFUSING.
WE'VE BEEN HERE THREE TIMES MM-HMM
ALTHOUGH I WOULD ARGUE ONE OF THOSE WAS NOT OUR FAULT.
IT WAS A, IT WAS A PIT EFFORT.
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UH, ANY OTHER, OR ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I HAVE ONE.DON'T YOU? I ALWAYS HAVE A COMMENT.
UM, SO I WAS INVOLVED IN THIS.
I'VE BEEN UP HERE ON PNZ FOR ALL OF THESE.
UH, I REMEMBER IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
I REMEMBER COUNCIL BASICALLY SAYING, YOU GOT TWO OPTIONS, PICK ONE
AND I DON'T KNOW, I, I LOOK AT THIS, YOU'VE GOT THE LAND AND YOU'VE GOT, WELL, I'M GONNA CALL IT COMMITMENT PROBLEMS. EITHER WITH PEOPLE INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING THE LAND OR WITH WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO WITH THE LAND.
BECAUSE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS NOTHING'S HAPPENED.
THERE'S BEEN NO PATH FORWARD ON 90 10, 50 50, FULL INDUSTRIAL, NOTHING.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT THE MARKET IS IN FLUX AND THE MARKET IS UNCERTAIN.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF YOU, IF YOU LAND A BIG PHARMACEUTICAL WITH THE HELP OF EDC, THEN DO THE PUD THEN WHEN YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING ON HERE RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, IN MY OPINION, YOU GUYS COULD TURN AROUND AND SAY, WE WANT A DATA CENTER RIGHT THERE.
AND ACCORDING TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THE, THE LAND IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST IS RESIDENTIAL.
SO IN MY OPINION, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, PICK SOMETHING OR DON'T SIT ON VACANT LAND.
I MEAN, NOTHING'S HAPPENED IN WHAT, FIVE YEARS, THREE MONTHS? I, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT VERY PROFITABLE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE SHOULDN'T BE MAKING THE DECISION FOR YOU.
AND WE ALSO SHOULDN'T BE ENTERTAINING EVERY OPTION THAT'S AVAILABLE.
WELL, I WOULD SAY WHEN IT COMES TO IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO.
WHATEVER'S MOST PROFITABLE FOR YOU.
WELL, CERTAINLY, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR GOAL.
BUT YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S ALSO WHAT'S ACTIONABLE.
AND AS YOU TALK TO COMMERCIAL USERS, I'VE BEEN IN THE ROOM WITH THEM, I'VE BEEN ON THE PHONE WITH THEM, UM, WITH SOME, SOME OF THE FOLKS IN THE ADMINISTRATION.
AND IT, IT IS HARD TO GET MOMENTUM IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITHOUT THE ZONING.
IT'S A, YOU KNOW, JUST THE PERMITTED USE MM-HMM
I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, MANNY MENTIONS THE DIFFICULTY STAFF WILL HAVE AND THE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, UTILITY REQUIREMENTS, ROAD REQUIREMENTS.
THIS IS NOT, UH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DESIGNING ANYTHING HERE.
WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING PERMITTED USES.
AND, AND THE GOAL OF THE P INITIALLY WHEN WE CAME TO YOU WITH ASHLEY BACK IN 2024 MM-HMM
WAS TO PROVIDE THE FLEXIBILITY.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS.
AND, AND AT THAT TIME, WE, WE SAID, YEAH, WE'RE GOOD WITH EITHER ONE, TAKE IT TO COUNCIL.
AND COUNCIL SAID, ALRIGHT, DO THE 90 10, WE'LL, WE'LL LIVE WITH THAT.
WE'RE, WE WOULD ALSO HAVE BEEN OKAY WITH A 50 50 OR A FULL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, BUT NOW THE, YOU'RE COMING TO US AGAIN AND SAYING, WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THIS LAND.
AND MY OPINION IS, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION.
FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT AND THEN WE'LL TALK, AND THEN WE'LL ENGAGE THE CITY STAFF AND GET THEM MOVING FORWARD ON SUPPORTING THIS RATHER THAN HAVING THREE WHAT IF SCENARIOS FOR THE ENTIRE CITY STAFF TO WORK THROUGH.
I, I THINK WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AROUND US, THAT THE GOAL HERE IS TO DO THE COMMERCIAL OR THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
THE RESIDENTIAL IS, I WOULD SAY A BACKUP PLAN.
UM, IF, IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
SO THE HOUSING MARKET SOFTER RIGHT NOW THAN IT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY MM-HMM
UH, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A SURPRISE TO ANYONE.
AND, AND THE AMOUNT OF INTEREST THAT WE HAVE THROUGH THE EDC AND, AND OTHER AVENUES IS SIGNIFICANT.
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WHY WE'RE WANTING TO COME BACK AND REINSTITUTE, YOU KNOW, THAT OPTION.OH, IS YOUR PRIMARY OPTION INDUSTRIAL? IS THAT WHAT YOU'D PREFER? YES.
WHAT WAS THAT? THE PRIMARY OPTION THEY WOULD PREFER IS INDUSTRIAL FULL, 100% LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
IT, I HAVE, I HAVE, UH, GO AHEAD.
IT, I'M JUST GONNA SAY YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY KIND OF PUTTING US IN A REALLY HARD SPOT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE WANTING US TO APPROVE SOMETHING.
LIKE RICK SAID, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHICH WAY YOU WANT TO GO.
AND IF WE SAY, OKAY, WE WANT THE 90 10 AND WE APPROVE THAT, AND YOU GO TO COUNSEL AND THEY APPROVE SOMETHING ELSE, YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK TO US AGAIN.
I THINK IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER IF YOU CAME TO US WITH, WE WANT THIS TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT INDUSTRIAL.
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, GO FOR IT.
I MEAN, WE CAN APPROVE IT OR WE CAN DISAPPROVE IT.
AND, AND EVEN IF IT'S APPROVED INDUSTRIAL AT SOME POINT YOU MAY WANNA CHANGE IT AGAIN AND, AND PUT LIKE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IT'S, I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANNA DO, BUT YOU WANT US TO MAKE BASICALLY A DECISION FOR YOU IN A, IN A ROUNDABOUT WAY.
I, I, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
MOST PEOPLE COME AND THEY EITHER WANNA PUT A SUBDIVISION THERE, THEY WANNA PUT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW ME AND I RESPECT YOU, BUT I THINK YOU'RE GOING ABOUT THIS WRONG.
I I, I HATE TO TELL YOU THAT I, I JUST, I WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME VOTING FOR THIS, ANY OF 'EM, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY YOU'RE GONNA GO.
I MEAN, WHO KNOWS IF YOU GO INDUSTRIAL AND THEN THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST OF THAT BECOMES SINGLE FAMILY AND YOU HAVEN'T BUILT YET, YOU MAY GET ALL KINDS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT, FROM THE RESIDENTS.
SO, I MEAN, UNLESS YOU CAN SIT THERE AND TELL A FUTURE DEVELOPER IF THEY'RE GONNA BUY THAT LAND TO THE WEST, WE'RE THIS IS ALL GONNA BE INDUSTRIAL, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
THAT WAY THEY CAN TELL THEIR HOMEOWNERS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL RIGHT THERE.
I, I REALLY, YOU KNOW, I I CAN, UH, I CAN'T GO FOR THIS.
I I'M NOT GONNA VOTE YES ON IT.
SO MY CONCERN IS THE FLEXIBILITY.
UM, BECAUSE WHEN WE GO FROM A 90 10 AND FROM A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, THAT'S A DIFF THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN TRAFFIC AND FLOW AND HEAVY ON THE ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
MY, MY NEXT ISSUE IS THE POWER PLANT THAT IS SUGGESTED.
'CAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE, HAVE WE HAD THAT IN OUR CODE BEFORE AS FAR AS BUILDING A POWER PLANT? SUBSTATION? IT'S A SUBSTATION.
IT REFERRED AS THE POWER PLANT IN THE YEAH.
I SAW SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT IT SAID SUBSTATION.
SO THAT'S MY NEXT CONCERN, UM, IS THE SUBSTATION BEING BUILT.
UM, AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF SMACK DAB AND, AND NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S MY, MY BIG ISSUE THERE.
UM, AND SO I I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE FLEXIBILITY IS THERE, BUT I, I DON'T, THAT'S NOT A PRECEDENT.
I THINK I'M OKAY WITH, UM, I'M OKAY IF WE GO A HUNDRED PERCENT INDUSTRIAL.
IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S THE DISCUSSION WE WANT TO HAVE.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE GOING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND WE NEED PREDICTABILITY IN ORDER TO PLAN ON THIS BOARD.
AND SO IF WE DON'T, STAFF CAN'T DO THEIR JOB AS FAR AS HOW, HOW PREDICTABLE WE CAN GO.
AND I GET THAT THIS HAS BEEN A FRUSTRATING PROCESS AND I THINK AS A CITY WE'RE GETTING BETTER AT.
BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, WE NEED TO PICK ONE.
I'M SORRY I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME.
I RESPECT WHAT YOU YOU'RE DOING.
I RESPECT YOU HAVE A JOB TO DO AND I KNOW YOU HAVE PEOPLE YOU ANSWER TO THAT EXPECT TO MAKE MONEY.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALL HERE.
I CAN NEVER BE A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR INDUSTRIAL.
I HAVE A JOB HERE AND MY JOB IS TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS.
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AREA THAT YOU HAVE NEIGHBORS HERE WHO ARE RESIDENTIAL.AND IT COMES DOWN TO ENVIRONMENTAL REASONS AND PROTECTING OUR LAND, PROTECTING OUR WATER.
I'M A LITTLE GUN SHY WHEN IT COMES TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU A BLANK CHECK TO PUT A, PUT A DATA SET IN THERE IN THERE,
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA PUT IN THERE BEFORE I SAY YES TO SOMETHING.
AND THEN MY, UH, MY NEIGHBORS ASKED ME, WHY DID YOU DO THAT FOR, I LIVE HERE, SIR.
AND I, UH, I ANSWER TO THE SUBSTANCE AND THE, THE OTHER IS, ANY OF THESE THINGS CAN CREATE PROBLEMS WITH THE ENVIRONMENT, CREATE HEAT, HEAT ZONES, HEAT DOMES, DEPEND KNOW WHAT KIND OF INDUSTRY YOU BRING IN.
AND I JUST CAN'T, CAN'T GO FULL INDUSTRIAL OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
I, I WANNA KNOW WHAT WOULD BE COMING IN IF I HAD TO VOTE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
I MEAN, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, AGAIN, THIS WAS APPROVED BEFORE AND WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT PERMITTED USES.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DESIGN.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TAX ON INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, DETENTION, WATER, ROADWAYS, ALL THAT IS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.
SO THE CITY WILL GET ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE ON THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PERMITTED USE QUESTION.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S SUCH A BIG LEAP WHEN IT WAS DONE ONCE TO, TO ASK FOR IT AGAIN.
WELL, THE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY FROM TWO YEARS AGO, THE PERMITTED USES WERE 90 10 AND 50 50.
NEITHER ONE OF 'EM WAS A HUNDRED PERCENT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
LET ME, IF I COULD, CAN I STOP YOU RIGHT THERE? OKAY.
BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A NUANCE THERE THAT, THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT.
BUT WAS THAT NUANCE PRESENT IN 2024? YES.
AS PART OF THE 50 50 SCENARIO, IT WAS UP TO 50% AS BEING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
SO IT WAS A MAXIMUM PERCENTAGE CONSIDERATION? UM, NOT A MINIMUM.
AND THAT OPTION WAS NOT SELECTED BY CITY COUNCIL? CORRECT.
THE, THE 50 50 OPTION WAS SELECTED BY CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME.
AND THEN WE, SO THEY DIDN'T DO A 90 10, WE DID DO A 90 10 SUBSEQUENTLY AS PART OF THE PI PROCESS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THE 50 50 IS, IS WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
SO WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL, WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL, BUT IT, IT ACTUALLY DID ALLOW FOR UP TO A HUNDRED PERCENT INDUSTRIAL MM-HMM
AND THEN AS PART OF THE PID PROCESS, SUBSEQUENTLY, WE CAME BACK WITHIN THE MAJORITY, 90% BEING SINGLE FAMILY TO SUPPORT THE INTENT OF A PIT IN ORDER TO CREATE A PIT BOUNDARY AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
DOTTIE AND AND STAFF FELT THAT THEY WANTED THE, BECAUSE A PIT IS A RESIDENTIAL, UH, INSTRUMENT, THEY WANTED TO ALTER THE ZONING, UM, CONCURRENTLY WITH THE PIT CREATION.
THIS MAY NOT BE A FAIR QUESTION.
AND IF YOU STOP, TELL ME IT'S NOT OKAY.
WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE, THAT'S FINE.
IF, IF YOU WERE TO DECIDE THAT YOU WANTED TO GO A HUNDRED PERCENT INDUSTRIAL THERE, WHAT TYPE OF INDUSTRY ARE YOU THINKING WOULD BE THERE? YEAH.
I I THINK MAYBE SOME OF THESE ISSUES ARE, UM, BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND OUR COMPANY.
I MEAN, WE ARE, WE'RE PRIMARILY LAND INVESTORS.
CAN I ASK, CAN I ASK, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, SIR, BUT WE LIVE HERE.
WELL, WE HAVE CITIZENS WE ANSWER TO AND TO SAY THAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IS AN INSULT TO THE BOARD.
OH, I'M CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO INSULT ANYONE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHAT, WHAT OUR BUSINESS IS SO THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND SO WE DON'T, HERETOFORE WE HAVE NOT GONE VERTICAL OR BUILT ANYTHING OR SECURED ANY LEASES.
WE ARE TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, BUYING LAND, SECURING ZONING ENTITLEMENTS, DESIGNING THINGS, AND THEN SELLING THE LAND TO DEVELOPERS.
I UNDERSTAND YOU GOT MONEY TO MAKE, YOU HAVE MONEY ON THE LINE.
BUT AGAIN, MY JOB IS TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS.
AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
MEANING WE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANNA PUT IN HERE.
UH, WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA WRITE A RED BLANK CHECK.
WE DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD TOO, TOO DEEP.
BECAUSE THAT IMPLIES THAT WE NEED TO APPROVE CERTAIN BUSINESSES.
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IF WE DO MAKE CHANGES AND WE DO ALLOW OPTIONALITY FLEXIBILITY, THEN THAT CAN CHANGE WHAT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.BASED ON THE ZONING THAT FOLLOWS THAT P WHATEVER IT HAPPENS TO BE.
SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CERTAIN REUSES BY RIGHT.
LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, YOU'LL HAVE OTHER INDUCES IT OTHER USES ALLOWED BY.
AND SOME OF THOSE USES TO ME ARE VERY CONCERNING DEPENDING ON WHAT IS GOING IN THERE.
AND ACCORDING TO THE FUTURE LAND USE, THAT LAND IS ORANGE.
THAT'S MY POINT I'M GETTING AT.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LEAD ACID BATTERY MANUFACTURER IN THERE, THAT'S NOT VERY CONDUCIVE TO OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
NOW STAFF AND US HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHANGE THE PH FLU.
NOT FOR THAT, NOT FOR THE LAND THAT THEY OWN.
AND THAT IS THE IMPACT, LET ALONE THE, THE STAFF WORK OF PUTTING IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE FIRE SAFETY, THE PUBLIC SAFETY LIGHT, INDUSTRIAL'S GOING TO HAVE A VASTLY DIFFERENT POLICE PRESENCE THEN RESIDENTIAL
SO ALL OF THESE THINGS NEED TO BE CONSIDERED.
AND THE CONVENIENCE THAT WE'RE GIVING THEM TO BE FLEXIBLE IS THEN BEING PUSHED OFF TO STAFF AND THE CITY AS AN INCONVENIENCE.
WE NEED TO JUMP THROUGH OUR BUTT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
AND UP UNTIL THEY MAKE A DECISION, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING.
I SAID, I, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THAT'S WHAT POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE WITH THAT.
I I WAS MERELY TRYING TO MAKE A DISTINCTION THAT IT HERE TO FOUR, YOU FOLKS ARE ASKING ME WHAT WE'RE GONNA BUILD.
WE'RE, WE'RE NOT THE VERTICAL BUILDER.
THAT'S TYPICALLY NOT OUR BUSINESS PLAN.
SO IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME TO ANSWER THAT.
SO WE'RE, WE ARE LIKELY LAND SELLERS TO THE FOLKS THAT WILL BE GOING VERTICAL MM-HMM
WHICH IS WHY WE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT PERMITTED USES HERE.
I CAN'T TELL YOU WHO THE TENANT IS.
I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE DIFFERENT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPERS WILL DESIGN DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
LARGE, SMALL, TALL, SHORT, THAT'S UP TO THEM.
I MEAN THE, THE, YOU COULD HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL USE WHERE THEY BUILD DOG TOYS OR YOU COULD HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL USE WHERE THEY BUILD LEAD ACID BATTERIES.
THOSE ARE BOTH ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
SO, SO UNFORTUNATELY I CAN'T GIVE YOU CLARITY ON WHAT'S GONNA BE THERE.
AND THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE BOARD UNDERSTOOD THAT, HEY, IF WE GO WITH THIS TYPE OF USE, THEN THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT COULD GO IN THERE AND THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY NEXT YEAR, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, 30 YEARS FROM NOW.
BECAUSE THE FUTURE LAND USE KIND OF DICK IS OUR ROADMAP FOR THE FUTURE.
AND IF WE START MAKING CHANGES THAT ARE INCONGRUENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THEN WE'RE GOING TO RUN INTO PROBLEMS. WELL, THAT ALSO GOES, NOT THE DEVELOPMENT GOES BACK TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THAT'S THAT IT ALL TIES TOGETHER, BUT YES.
WE, WE CAN'T, YOU DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA GO VERTICAL ON THERE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THERE'S CERTAIN STUFF THAT'S ALLOWED TO GO IN THERE.
IF WE MAKE THESE CHANGES, IF WE APPROVE THIS, I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHICH WAY YOU'RE GONNA GO.
YOU'RE GONNA GO RESIDENTIAL, YOU'RE GONNA GO INDUSTRIAL.
I MEAN, YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO GO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
COME BACK TO US WITH THAT PROPOSAL, THEN DON'T ASK ME TO, DON'T ASK ME TO GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO DO WHATEVER.
I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE YOUR, YOUR LAND DEVELOPER.
BUT IF WE CUT DOWN THAT ROAD, WE'RE OPENING UP THE DOORS FOR ANYBODY ELSE TO COME IN HERE AND GO, OKAY, I WANT MULTIPLE USES AND I'LL TELL YOU LATER WHAT I'M GONNA DO.
AND THAT JUST, THAT JUST MESSES WITH EVERYTHING WE TRY TO SET UP.
AND WHAT EVERYTHING WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
SO I, I'M SORRY I, SO I, I COME FROM THAT SIDE.
UM, AND I AGREE THAT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO BUY SOMETHING TO DO ANYTHING COMMERCIAL AND IT'S OWN RESIDENTIAL CONVERSATION NORMALLY STOPS THERE BECAUSE YOU GOTTA COME IN, GO IN FRONT OF A P AND Z, GO TO COUNCIL,
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TRY TO GET THE ZONING CHANGE.IF IT'S SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL, IT'S NORMALLY NOT SUPPORTED.
WHAT I'VE SEEN BEING ON THAT SIDE.
THEN BEING ON THIS SIDE, DO YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT YOU'RE IN TALKS WITH THAT MIGHT HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR MAYBE A GENERIC SITE PLAN OF WHAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO DO WITH THE SITE, BUT IT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER FOR US TO SUPPORT IF THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE BESIDES YOU THAT SAID, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO PUT HERE TO WHERE IT COULD APPEASE EVERYBODY AND KNOW THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE A DATA CENTER.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE BIG THING FROM THE LAST, YOU KNOW, TWO MONTHS IN HUDU MM-HMM
SO I THINK EVERYBODY'S KIND OF GOT THEIR GUARDS UP BECAUSE OF THAT, SO.
BUT IF, IF YOU HAD A A, A REAL PLAN OF WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO, THAT'S WHY I ASK IF THREE OPTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, INDUSTRIAL IS ONE THING.
IF YOU WENT ALL INDUSTRIAL AND HAD KIND OF SOMEWHAT OF A IDEA OF WHAT MIGHT GO THERE, IT'S NORMALLY A LOT EASIER TO GO FROM INDUSTRIAL TO RESIDENTIAL THAN IT IS FROM RESIDENTIAL TO INDUSTRIAL.
RESIDENTIAL IS NORMALLY A, A LIGHTER USE THAT ISN'T SO OPPOSED IF YOU'RE GOING BACKWARDS WITH IT.
BUT IF, IF YOU KNEW FOR SURE WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO, IT'D DEFINITELY BE EASIER TO SUPPORT.
I MEAN, I, SPEAKING WITH STAFF AND SOME, SOME ON THE ADMINISTRATION, I THINK THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A PREFERENCE FOR A COMMERCIAL IN THIS AREA, GIVEN IT ITS PROXIMITY TO THE MEGA SIDE AND, AND WHERE IT IS.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S VERY RURAL RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, I THINK WE TOUCH FIVE OR SIX RESIDENTIAL LOCK, AS I SAY, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S MANY HOMES AROUND IT.
FEW PROPERTIES, THE MEGA SITE ARTERIAL CUTS RIGHT UP OUR, YOU KNOW, UH, THE EDGE OF OUR PROPERTY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WANTING TO MARKET THE SITE TO THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL FOLKS WE'RE TALKING TO.
THE ZONING IS A HURDLE IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
UM, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANNA LOSE OUR RESIDENTIAL ENTITLEMENTS.
THEY WERE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET AND WHO KNOWS.
UM, SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT BUILDING ANYTHING.
I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE.
THOSE ARE FUTURE CONVERSATIONS WHEN SOMEONE CONTRACTS TO BUY THE LAND.
I JUST WANTED, WANTED TO ADD, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVEN'T GIVEN A LOT OF CLARITY ON THE PARTICULAR USES, BUT I DID WANNA BRING UP THAT THE BUFFERING INCLUDED IN THE PUD IS EITHER MEETING AND OR EXCEEDING WHAT IS ALREADY CONTEMPLATED BY CODE.
SO, UM, IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, CONCERN UP AGAINST ANY PROPOSED FUTURE RESIDENTIAL THERE ON THE WEST SIDE, UH, WE SPEAK TO THAT IN THE P GIVEN SOME ADDITIONAL LIKE LANDSCAPING AND, AND DISTANCE BUFFERING.
THANK, I I HAVE, I HAVE ANOTHER, A QUESTION REAL QUICK.
LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SEVERAL LOTS ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY.
HAVE Y'ALL TALKED TO THOSE HOMEOWNERS? WELL, I'VE TALKED TO ONE OF THEM BEFORE WHO WANTED TO SELL HIS LAND TO US, BUT NO, NOT RECENTLY.
RIGHT HERE, WE ADJACENT RIGHT BY THERE, SOUTH.
AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HEAR ABOUT CAN WE TAKE, YEAH.
OH, AGAIN, IT WAS INDUSTRIAL BEFORE.
I'M, I'M FRANKLY SURPRISED THAT THE FLEXIBILITY THAT WAS APPROVED BEFORE IN THE PUD IS, UM, SO DISCONCERTING TO YOU FOLKS, BUT YEAH.
THAT AS IT MAY, AND FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THE FLEXIBILITY THAT WAS ASKED FOR WAS GRANTED.
AND THEN FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THAT WAS NARROWED DOWN BY COUNSEL AND THEN THE PID PROCESS BEGAN WITH COUNCIL AS WELL.
AND IT SEEMED LIKE WE WERE HEADING IN THAT DIRECTION.
BUT THEN THIS MAKES IT SEEM LIKE, NOPE, WE'RE GOING TO TOSS OUT WHAT COUNCIL SAID AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FULL OPTIONALITY AGAIN, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID NOT TO DO.
SO IN MY OPINION, WE ARE, WE'RE KIND OF SAYING, YEAH, LET'S THROW OUT THAT AND GO BACK TO WHAT WE WANT TO DO BEFORE.
AND THE SCENARIO THAT COUNCIL APPROVED PROVIDED FOR 50 50 MM-HMM
OR A HUNDRED PERCENT INDUSTRIAL.
THE 90 10 AGAIN WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS PART PART, IT WAS PART OF THE PI PROCESS.
THAT WAS PART OF THE PI PROCESS.
IT WAS A, IT WAS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO CREATE A PI BOUNDARY, WHICH EVERYONE
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WANTED TO DO, WHICH IS IN THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST.IT'S, IT'S VERY PROFITABLE FOR THE CITY.
UM, THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL INQUIRIES THAT HAVE OCCURRED RECENTLY, UH, THROUGH US AND ALSO DIRECTLY THROUGH THE EDC, I MEAN, THEY'RE MARKETING THE SITE TO LARGE COMPANIES.
UM, SO, UH, AGAIN, I I VIEWED THIS AS MORE OF A CLEANUP EXERCISE.
UM, AND YOU GUYS CLEARLY DO NOT.
AND YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, IF EDC IS MARKETING THIS TO, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE ALL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, NOT YOUR PROBLEM, BUT MAYBE EDC NEEDS TO LET US KNOW, JUST SAYING SURE.
AND YOUR TALKS WITH THEM MIGHT HELP IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE INTERESTED IN BUYING THE LAND.
'CAUSE IF YOU HAVE THE EDC SUPPORTING THEM WITH IT, IT, IT ALSO GOES PRETTY FAR.
AGAIN, LET, IT WOULD BE EASIER TO GET SOMEONE TO BUY THE LAND IF I HAD IT ZONING.
YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE IT'S A, I GET IT.
IT'S A CHICKEN AND AN EGG SITUATION.
JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU, WE ARE ALSO A PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, WE OWN THE LAVENDER PART THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPERTY.
HE'S BEEN TO THE MEETINGS BEFORE.
HE'S THE BROTHER THAT OWNS IT.
MY HUSBAND IS THE OTHER BROTHER.
BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN TO, SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY, WELL, THANKS FOR BEING HERE,
WE APPRECIATE PEOPLE COMING OUT AND LISTENING TO THIS STUFF.
YOU'RE, UH, WHAT DID YOU SAY? I SAID I AM FOR ALL INDUSTRIAL
SO FROM A DENSITY PERSPECTIVE, A LOT OF FOLKS, MOST ON, ON STAFF AND THE FEW FOLKS IN THE ADMINISTRATION THAT WE VISIT WITH, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T, THEY WOULD PREFER TO SEE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL HERE THAN 15, 1600 HOMES.
GIVEN THE TRAFFIC, UH, THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, THEY'RE GONNA BE REQUIRED ON COUNTY ROAD 1 32.
I THINK THAT TIMELINE'S UNCERTAIN.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK, AND I, I HAVE TO AGREE.
I WOULD PREFER TO SEE COMMERCIAL WITH A, THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'LL BE AN ARTERIAL GOING FROM 1 32 TO THE EAST WILCO HIGHWAY.
AND IF THAT'S AN ARTERIAL, THAT'S PRIME SECOND COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR FOR THIS CITY.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, A YEAR FROM NOW, YOU COULD GET A REALLY LUCRATIVE OFFER FROM SINGLE FAMILY HOME DEVELOPERS.
AND NOW WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT.
AND THAT'S THE ISSUE I HAVE IS WE HAVE NO IDEA WHICH DIRECTION THIS IS GONNA GO.
WELL THAT'S WHY I WANT THE FLEXIBILITY
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? THANK YOU, SIR.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION, AND I WILL CALL FOR A MOTION OR ASK, ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I'M SORRY, ON 5.3, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY UNTIL THE DEVELOPER CAN DECIDE WHAT THEY WANNA DO SECOND AT WHICH TIME THEY CAN COME BACK AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR WORTZ AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KENARD TO DENY THE PUT AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN GET AN UNDERSTANDING FROM EDC ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? BECAUSE THEY SEEM THE ONE THAT'S BEING, IF IF THEY'RE ALLOWED, IF THEY'RE ALLOWED TO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BOUND BY CERTAIN NON-DISCLOSURES AND SO ON.
SO IT'S MORE OF LIKE WHAT THEIR PER, 'CAUSE THEY'RE THE ONE THAT'S PUSHING FOR THIS.
AND SO I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND LIKE THEIR MARKETING AND IDEA FOR THIS, SINCE THEY'RE GETTING ALL THESE TO TABLE IT, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO TABLE IT? UM, IT COULD MAKE SENSE TO TABLE IT.
UH, MY ARGUMENT AGAINST TABLING WOULD BE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WOULD COME BACK.
SO THIS WOULD JUST BE AN OPEN-ENDED FLOATING ITEM FOR A WHILE.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT, MY NAME'S HOWARD C***S.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE RECORD.
UM, TABLING IS DONE WITHIN A MEETING.
POSTPONING IS DONE TO A FUTURE MEETING.
IF WE WERE TO POSTPONE, YOU CAN ONLY POSTPONE TO A DATE CERTAIN, YOU CANNOT OPENLY
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POSTPONE SOMETHING.SO YOU'LL HAVE TO SAY, YOU'LL COME BACK AT THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR YOU CAN SET A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING AND A DATE AND TIME AND A LOCATION, WHICH WE CAN ALSO FOLLOW UP ON.
BUT, UM, IF, IF YOU WERE GONNA DO SOMETHING, YOU WOULD HAVE TO POSTPONE TO A DATE CERTAIN, IF YOU WANTED MORE INFORMATION, AND THEN LET US KNOW WHY YOU WANNA POSTPONE.
MEANING WE WANT MORE INFORMATION, GET US X, Y, AND Z.
OR, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN VOTE THIS EVENING AS PER THE, THE ADVERTISEMENT CAN.
AND HERE'S MY THING, BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME THIS HAPPENS.
IS THERE A WAY TO POSTPONE THE NEXT MEETING, INVITE EDC AND THEN, OR A SPECIAL CALL TO ALIGN? OR IF WE DON'T THINK THERE'S TIME TO MEET WITH EDC BEFORE THAT WE GO OUT TO MEETINGS, I, I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE.
MY CONCERN WITH EDC, UH, BEING INVOLVED IS THE MAJORITY OF EDC IS COUNCIL AND THEY ARE LOOKING DOWN THE BARREL OF BUDGET SEASON RIGHT NOW.
SO TRYING TO GET THEM TO JUGGLE THEIR SCHEDULE TO COME IN AND EXPLAIN TO US WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO RECRUIT FOR MIGHT BE A BRIDGE TOO FAR.
AND I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO SET COUNCIL'S SCHEDULE.
THAT, THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF LIKE, EH, THE POSTPONING OR TABLING IS AS I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT, I DON'T WANNA FIGHT AGAINST EACH OTHER, I WANNA WORK WITH.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE PURPOSE, WHAT'S THE IDEA OF THIS, HOW WE CAN WORK FORWARD GOING FORWARD.
'CAUSE I HAVE A FEELING THIS IS NOT GONNA BE THE FIRST TIME THIS HAPPENS.
AND I, I PERSONALLY AM COMFORTABLE WITH DENYING OKAY, IF, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'M GONNA SAY IS NECESSARY OR IS FELT TO BE NECESSARY BY THE DEVELOPER, THEN THEIR NEXT STEP IS TO TAKE IT TO COUNCIL.
AND COUNCIL CAN ABSOLUTELY OVERRIDE WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
AND BRANDON, THIS IS A GOVERNMENT BODY.
THIS IS MADE, HAVE DISCUSSION DEBATE.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A MISALIGNMENT AND PRIORITIES.
RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S WHY I WANT TO BE WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, BE ALIGNED.
SO WE HAVE, 'CAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE WE WERE NOT ALIGNED.
AND I DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALIGNED WITH THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION, WE'RE THEREFORE DENYING THIS PROJECT.
I WANT TO HAVE A GOOD, ROUGH REASON, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
THE, ESPECIALLY PDC HAS THE DEVELOPER CORRECT? YES.
WELL, IT REQUIRES A LITTLE COMMUNICATION FROM OTHER PARTIES.
AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GERMANE TO THIS, BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN.
HOW THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AREN'T SURE OF THE INTENT.
THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES AREN'T SURE OF THE INTENT.
WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THIS? WHAT, WHAT IS THE GOAL? AND COUNCIL, EDC AND PNZ ALL HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS AND THEY'RE NOT TALKING TO EACH OTHER.
SO MAYBE COUNCIL, IF THE DEVELOPER CHOOSES TO TAKE IT TO COUNCIL, MAYBE COUNCIL CAN PROVIDE SOME CLARITY.
WELL, IF WE POSTPONED IT, WOULDN'T THAT MAKE US HAVE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION TO ALIGN OURSELVES WITH, LIKE, TO SEE WHAT ED C'S TRYING TO DO THAT WOULD FORCE THE MEETING SO WE WOULD KNOW WHAT, WHAT'S IN THE WORKS.
AND MY POINT IS, IF WE'RE MEETING WITH EDC AND DICTATING COUNCIL'S SCHEDULE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S OUR PLACE SAYING, HEY, WE NEED TO HAVE A MEETING WITH YOU TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE STROMBERG PROPERTY.
AND THEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING COUNCIL HAT.
THEY'RE DOING EDC HAT AND THEY'RE TRYING TO TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
WE'RE NOT JUST A RUBBER STAMP TO THE EDC THOUGH, ARE WE? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
AND THAT'S NOT THE, IT'S JUST IF, IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT EVERYBODY HAD MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE ANSWERED BY EDC.
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I'M CORRECT.
AND THEN IT WOULD GIVE SOME CLARITY TO MAKE EVERYBODY FEEL, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTIVE OR NOT.
BUT HONESTLY, AS, AS I SAID, THEY CAN TAKE IT TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL AND EDC ARE THE SAME PERSON, ESSENTIALLY.
SO THEY CAN PROVIDE THAT CLARITY RIGHT THEN AND THERE.
AND ALL RIGHT, WE GOT OVERRIDDEN.
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I I DON'T, I DON'T TAKE IT PERSONALLY WHEN I GET OVERRIDDENANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? OKAY.
HEARING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
UH, AS A REMINDER, THE VOTE IS TO DENY AMENDMENT TWO, PUT AMENDMENT TWO.
UH, WITH THAT I'LL CALL FOR VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF DENIAL, SAY AYE.
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR REPORT.
HOWARD C***S, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR FOR THE RECORD.
UM, JUST A COUPLE OF HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. FIRST OF ALL, YOU'LL NOTICE, UH, YOU REMEMBER FOREST
HE IS, UH, HIS LAST DAY WITH THE CITY WILL BE ACTUALLY THIS FRIDAY.
SO HE HAD AN EMERGENCY COME UP.
HE WOULD'VE BEEN HERE THIS EVENING AS WELL.
BUT, UM, SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA MISS FOREST WILLIAMS. SO IT'S JUST, UH, ME AND HIM AGAIN FOR A LITTLE WHILE TILL WE CAN GET THAT BACK ON THE STREET AND SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME MORE HELP IN THE FORM OF A PLANNING MANAGER.
SO IF YOU KNOW ANYONE, TELL 'EM TO KEEP AN EYE ON THE WEBSITE, THAT THAT WILL BE UP SOON.
UM, I WANNA REMIND YOU AGAIN, WE HAVE A WORK SESSION ONE WEEK FROM THIS EVENING, 6:00 PM IN THIS ROOM.
AND IT'S THE SECOND BITE AT THE APPLE FOR THE UDC REWRITE.
I WANTED TO ASK, HAS ANYBODY HAD ANY TROUBLE SINCE WE THINK WE IRONED OUT THE TECHNOLOGICAL ISSUES THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET TO THE SAME COPY OF THE DOCUMENT AND YOUR CHANGES SHOULD BE TRACKED IN REAL TIME SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS MAKING CHANGES TO.
SO IF, IF YOU'VE HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THAT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW NOW SO WE CAN GET DAVID AND IT TO HELP US WORK THAT OUT.
I HAVE ISSUES I CAN'T GIVE IT.
AND, BUT I HAVE THE BIG UDC, THE WHOLE BOOK
YOU MEAN YOU HAVE A HARD COPY OF ONE? YES, I DO.
DO YOU PROPOSE ANY CHANGES TO IT FOR THIS GO AROUND? UH, NOT YET WHAT I'VE READ SO FAR.
UM, I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET, I GUESS, AUTHORIZATION TO GET INTO IT.
UH, THE AUTHENTICATION SYSTEMS KEEP REJECTING WHATEVER.
MAYBE I'M DOING SOMETHING WRONG.
BUT
DOES IT, DOES IT TELL YOU GET A MICROSOFT AUTHENTICATOR ON YOUR PHONE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I'M NOT ACCESS, THAT'S WHAT I HAD TO DO.
I'M I'M NOT DID IT WORK THOUGH? MM-HMM
I'M NOT ACCESSING IT FROM MY PHONE, BUT IT'S SENDING THE AUTHENTICATE AUTHENTICATION TO THE PHONE.
AND THEN IT FAILS TO DO ANY AUTHENTICATION FROM THE PHONE.
SO, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT'S AN APPLE MICROSOFT CONFLICT.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEAL IS.
UH, I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AGAIN.
I THINK TOMORROW AS I'M ABLE, UM, 'CAUSE I WANT EVERYBODY TO BE ABLE, I THINK AT, AT LAST RESORT, I THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE JUST A DOCUMENT THAT YOU MAKE UNTO YOURSELF AND WE CAN PUT THAT INTO A MAGIC MACHINE, WHICH WILL THEN MERGE IT WITH OTHER VERSIONS AND MAYBE BE ABLE TO SEE IT AS ONE.
I'VE, I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT'S AN AVAILABILITY.
I AM CERTAINLY NO, IT GENIUS, AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THE SPEECH I'M MAKING RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, I'LL HAVE SOME OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE BETTER AT THAT, ASSIST ME WITH THAT.
SO I'M DON'T, DON'T BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET INTO OUR VERSION THAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR CONTRIBUTION IS NOT VALID.
JUST MAKE YOUR OWN AND, AND BRING IT IN AND WE'LL DO WHAT WE CAN WITH IT.
AND, AND BEING THAT I AM, I SUBMITTED THE, THE WARD DOCUMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S TO ME THE BASE DOCUMENT BEING THAT I SUBMITTED THAT I'M HAPPY TO LOOK QUICKLY AT EVERYBODY ELSE'S CHANGES IF, IF EVERYBODY ELSE MADE CHANGES.
BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED MY STUFF, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, BUT AGAIN, TUESDAY THE 14TH, 6:00 PM IN THIS ROOM, THE COUNCIL, UM, I'M SORRY, THE, THE EXEC CONFERENCE ROOM IS CONSUMED WITH A HU UNIVERSITY, SO THEY GOT TO IT BEFORE WE DID.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO BE DOWN HERE.
UM, LASTLY, LAST CALL, A PA OCTOBER, 2026.
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IRVING, TEXAS GOT MOVED.I CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT YOU WILL GO, BUT I, I CAN'T TAKE THE IDEA OF FOLKS GOING.
I KNOW THAT BRIAN REAVER HAS ALREADY, UM, MADE HIS REGISTRATION.
SO, UH, WHEN IN OCTOBER 3RD, I WANNA SAY YEAH, THE THIRD FULL WEEK IN OCTOBER 13TH THROUGH THE 17TH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
13 TO 17, 14 MAYBE BECAUSE I'M COMING UP TO 13TH.
I CAN TRY AND PULL IT UP, CAROL.
I'M GONNA BE, I'M GONNA BE MANNY'S GONNA PULL IT UP ON THE SCREEN.
IS IT, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T GO, THAT MR. BRIAN KENARD OR COMMISSIONER KENARD CAN SHARE WHAT HE'S LEARNED? IT WOULD NOT ONLY BE POSSIBLE, IT WOULD BE MY EXPECTATION THAT IF YOU GO AND YOU LEARN SOMETHING, THAT YOU COME BACK AND SHARE IT WITH FOLKS.
ONE OF, ONE OF MY RULES WHEN I TAKE MY STAFF AND SOMETIMES WHEN I GET TO TAKE THE BOARDS I SUPPORT WHEN THEY GO TO CONFERENCES WITH ME, MY NUMBER ONE RULE IS NO MORE THAN TWO PERSONS GO TO THE SAME SESSION.
I DON'T WANNA LOAD UP EVERYBODY IN THE SAME SESSION.
'CAUSE I WANT Y'ALL TO LEARN DIFFERENT THINGS AND THEN COME BACK AND TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.
AND, AND ONE THING, UH, THE LAST ONE THAT WE DID, WHICH WAS I BELIEVE OCTOBER OF 24, UH, IN, UH, WHERE WAS THAT ALLEN? YEAH, UP IN ALLEN.
UM, WHEN I CAME BACK, I, I GAVE A 40,000 FOOT SUMMARY MM-HMM
HERE IS THE STUFF THAT I GOT IN THE BREAKOUT.
SO I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND DOING THAT AND I CAN KIND OF HELP WALK WHOEVER GOES THROUGH THAT.
NOW, WITH THAT SAID, SINCE I WENT TO THE LAST ONE, I WOULD, WOULD REALLY, REALLY LIKE SOMEONE ELSE TO GO.
I DON'T WANT TO, TO PUT, UH, TO PUT STAFF IN THE POSITION OF, OH YEAH, WE'VE GOT FIVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GO UP THERE AND NOW WE HAVE TO PICK AND CHOOSE.
SO I, I WOULD I FULLY SUPPORT, UH, BRIAN GOING UP? I I UNDERSTAND YOU'VE GOT A SCHEDULE CONFLICT.
SO THESE, THESE EYES TELL ME IT'S OCTOBER 14TH THROUGH 16.
SO I'M GOING, I'VE ALREADY SELECTED FOR THE CLASSES ON, UH, FOR THE BOARD SESSIONS, WHAT WE DO HERE.
AND THEN AFTER THAT I'LL BE GOING INTO THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE AND COULD BE PULLED FOR A AND M 'CAUSE I AM STILL A STUDENT AT A AND M FOR WHATEVER THEY MIGHT HAVE ME DO AS WELL.
BUT YEAH, IF ANYBODY ELSE IS AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S WELL WORTH IT.
I, IF, IF I CAN GO, THAT'D BE GREAT.
I MEAN, 10, DON'T YOU, YOU, YOU DO WANT TO GO? YES.
I WILL, I WILL CARRY YOUR NAME FORWARD AND THEN, THEN FOR RIGHT NOW, LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD AND INPUT BRIAN, BRIAN AND BRANDON DOWN.
UM, IF SOMEONE CAN GO, YOU KNOW, SCHEDULE CLEARS UP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR YOU'RE JUST ALL OF A SUDDEN, OH YEAH, I REALLY WANT TO DO THIS.
UH, LIKE I SAID, I WOULD PREFER TO SIT THIS ONE OUT JUST BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONE GUY COLLECTING ALL OF THE A PA BAGS,
CAN I ASK, IS THIS PENDING BUDGET APPROVAL OR? YES.
SO BRANDON, YOU MIGHT LOOK ON THE WEBSITE TO SEE IF THERE'S A DISCOUNT FOR, UH, UH, BOARD MEMBERS.
I'LL, I'LL HANDLE THE LOGISTICS.
I JUST NEED LITERALLY A HAND THAT SAYS I'LL GO.
OTHER THAN THAT, LET STAFF TAKE CARE OF ALL THE ARRANGEMENTS AND THE HOTEL ROOM AND THE, ALL THAT STUFF.
WE'LL, WE'LL HANDLE ALL THAT, BUT I JUST, I JUST NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY IF, IF ANY AT ALL.
LET, LET'S, OKAY, LET'S NAIL DOWN THOSE TWO.
AND IF ANYBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW, AND BY NEXT SPECIAL CALLED, I'LL TRY AND GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT TOGETHER.
I MEAN, I'LL AT LEAST TURN THE PAPERWORK IN.
I DON'T KNOW WHO THE POWER THAT BE IS.
BUT I'LL, I'LL PUT IT IN 'CAUSE WELL GO AHEAD CHRISTINE AND THEN I'LL TALK.
UH, I'VE APPLIED TO JOIN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, THE MC AVAILABLE AND I'LL JUST LIKE TO SUBMIT FOR THE RECORD, BUT IF SELECTED, I WOULD LOVE TO ATTEND THAT AS A KIND OF ONBOARDING AND LEARNING OPPORTUNITY.
I'LL, UH, I'LL, I'LL LET 'EM KNOW ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
SO FISCAL YEAR BEGINS OCTOBER ONE.
CONFERENCES OCTOBER 14TH, SO MM-HMM
WHAT WE GENERALLY DO IS BUDGET FOR THESE THE YEAR BEFORE.
BECAUSE REGISTRATION OPENS THE SUMMER BEFORE.
THE SUMMER BEFORE IS THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR.
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AND FIND OUT WHAT AVAILABILITY WE HAVE FOR TRAVEL TRAINING, BUDGET FOR OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.AND, UM, APPLY THAT NOW FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THE RETURN IS NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
THE, THE, THE WIGGLE THIS YEAR IS THAT THE, THE NATIONAL PLANNING CONFERENCE, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED IN 2020 FOR HOUSTON, TEXAS, HAS NOW BEEN RESCHEDULED FOR APRIL, 2027 IN HOUSTON, TEXAS.
SO I'M TRYING TO MANAGE THE IDEA THAT STAFF IS LIMITED IN THE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE FOR, FOR OURSELVES TO GO TO THESE.
SO I'M TRYING TO PLAY SOLOMON AND DIVIDE MY STAFF AND DECIDE WHO SHOULD GO TO THE STATE CONFERENCE AND IRVING THIS IN THE FALL AND WHO SHOULD GO TO THE NATIONAL CONFERENCE IN HOUSTON IN THE SPRING.
AND THE SAME THING WILL OCCUR WITH, UH, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND THAT CONFERENCE NOW THAT WOULD BE PULLED FROM THE 26 27 BUDGET.
WHICH MEANS WE WOULD CONSUME OUR ABILITY TO PAY FOR THE STATE CONFERENCE IN THE FALL OF 27, WHICH WOULD HAPPEN IN THE 27, 28 BECAUSE THE REGISTRATION WOULD'VE ALREADY BEEN CLOSED.
SO THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE.
BUT THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO DO, BECAUSE REGISTRATION'S OPEN AND BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS FAR AS AWAY, AS FAR AWAY AS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY IN ENVISIONED, I THINK IT'S LIKELY THAT THERE'LL BE MORE PERSONS ATTENDING JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A POPULATED AREA THAT MORE FOLKS CAN GET TO.
SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IN THAT BEFORE THE EARLY BIRD, YOU KNOW, WE LOSE THAT, THAT DISCOUNT.
SO, SO LET ME HELP, I'M SORRY.
UH, MINE WAS, MY COST IS JUST ALMOST ZERO, SO I'M, I WOULDN'T BE CHARGED IN THE CITY.
MY, UH, MY LODGING, IT WAS ALMOST NOTHING FOR ME.
ARE YOU STAYING AT THE Y UH, STAYING AT THE FAIRFIELD, UH, MARRIOTT, JUST A COUPLE MILES OUT.
I GOT IN FOR THREE OR FOUR DAYS FOR A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
I, I, I FOUND A GRAND SWEET DEAL.
UH, SO REMEMBER A CLEANING CLOSET,
THEY GIVE HIM A COT AND A WOOL BLANKET THERE.
AIR ACCOMMODATIONS IS WHAT THAT IS.
SO THAT MONEY CAN GO TO OUR NEW, NEW PERSON TO BE ABLE TO BRING SOMEBODY ELSE IN.
BUT WHAT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST IS FOR THE STATE CONFERENCE IN OCTOBER, WE'VE GOT TWO NAMES, POSSIBLY THREE AND I THINK FOR THE NATIONAL, SO THAT WE DON'T ABSOLUTELY DESTROY OUR BUDGET FOR THE STATE NEXT YEAR.
STATE CONFERENCE NEXT YEAR, LET'S DO ONE TO NATIONAL AND THAT ONE TO NATIONAL SHOULD PROBABLY BE SOMEONE WHO DIDN'T GO TO STATE, GIVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
SO I'LL GO FOR NATIONAL FOR ALMOST ZERO AGAIN FOR 'CAUSE THROUGH TA AND M.
AND THEN GET ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, SLEEP WITH A CO, THE BLANKET
I I KNOW THAT BRANDON IN A VAN.
SO I, I THINK, UH, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED FOR I DO, YES, SIR.
UM, ARE WE DONE? I THINK WE'RE ALMOST DONE.
WE'VE GOT, UH, THE, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF STUFF COMING UP.
I THOUGHT WE HAVE, WELL, WE HAVE A MEETING NEXT TUESDAY.
WE GOT THE MEETING NEXT TUESDAY.
WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT A HEAVY FALL.
I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE SPECIFICS FOR YOU, BUT JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS THAT ARE COMING IN.
UM, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER TIMEFRAME.
WE DID THE, ESPECIALLY SEPTEMBER OCTOBER TIMEFRAME.
HOW MANY, CAN I ASK HOW MANY PEOPLE, UH, ON THE COMMISSION HERE ARE GOING GOING TO THE DBI MEETING? DD.
ARE YOU GOING? WHAT? DEIB MEETING? HERE'S A CONSULTANT COMING IN FROM NORTH CAROLINA.
I GOT THE SAME EMAIL BECAUSE Y'ALL NOT, I DON'T THINK I GOT THAT EMAIL.
I'LL, I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK.
I GOT A TON OF EMAILS FROM THE CITY ALL OF A SUDDEN.
IT CAME OUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND IT'S THE 23RD.
THEY SENT AN UPDATE THIS WEEK, BUT THE ORIGINAL INVITE WAS SEVERAL WEEKS AGO.
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IS ALSO INVITED, WHICH IS WHY I'LL, STAN CAMERA'S GONNA COME OUT AND TEACH US ABOUT D-E-B-D-E-I-B.YEAH, IT'S DEIB TRAINING FOR THE CITY COUNCIL AND BOARD AND COMMISSIONS.
I MAY, MAYBE I MISSED THAT ONE.
I'LL, I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH MY EMAILS AND MY DISCLAIMER, I'LL BE ON THE BEACH WITH A MARGARITA AND IT CAME OUT JULY 6TH.
SO IT'S, IT'S BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TRAINING.
IT'S DIB TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TRAINING.
TIME WELL SPENT IF I'M BEING HONEST.
YEAH, I'LL, I WASN'T ON MY RADAR.
BUT I WILL RSVP ONCE I FIND IT.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? NO, SIR.
WELL THEN WITH THAT, LET US ADJOURN AT, WOW.
I ACTUALLY STAYED TILL IT WAS OVER.