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SEVEN O'CLOCK.SO WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2026 TO ORDER.
AND COMMISSIONER HALL IS MISSING.
ALRIGHT, WELCOME TO OUR TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS AND WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.
I SEE THAT I HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS.
IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? ONE PERSON SIGNED UP FOR ONE PERSON FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND THEN SOMEBODY SIGNED UP FOR AN AGENDA ITEM AS WELL.
SO WE'VE GOT, THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
ALRIGHT, SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE UH OH, SORRY.
UH, YOU WILL, UH, WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, COME ON UP TO THE PODIUM, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE FANCY TIMER LIKE COUNCIL DOES.
UM, WHEN YOU COME UP, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND UH, WHERE YOU LIVE AND, UH, THEN YOUR TIME WILL BEGIN AND UH, IF YOU REACH THREE MINUTES, I WILL UNFORTUNATELY HAVE TO CUT YOU OFF 'CAUSE THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO LET ME GET MY TIMER SET UP HERE 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE THAT SET UP.
IS THAT XAVIER? ZALAR IS, IS IT X-L-A-I-V-A-R.
I LIVE ON 33 49, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PROPOSED DATA CENTER THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE BUILT THERE.
MY CONCERN IS WHAT SAFEGUARDS ARE YOU GOING TO DO AS FAR AS PROTECTING US ALONG WITH 900 EMPLOYEES OF COM? IT'S GONNA BE A VERY, VERY BUSY AREA AND THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE.
SO WHAT KIND OF SAFEGUARDS ARE YOU GONNA PUT UP IN ORDER TO PROTECT US AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE AREA? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
UH, SEEING NO ONE ELSE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, OH, DO WE HAVE SOMEONE, ONE, THERE'S ONE MORE PERSON.
THEY SELECTED THE AGENDA ITEM, BUT I THINK THEY'D LIKE TO SPEAK FOR A PUBLIC ITEM COMMENT AS WELL, BUT PUBLIC COMMENT IN FRONT OF THE AGENDA ITEM SO THEY CAN ASK QUESTIONS AND WE CAN POSSIBLY ANSWER OR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
OKAY, I'LL WAIT FOR THE DATA CENTER PORTION.
ALL RIGHT, SO MOVING ON TO ITEM 4.1, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JULY 7TH, 2026.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR WETZ AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DA.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT.
HEARING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR VOTE.
6 0 4 0.2 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON
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THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE JOINT P AND Z CITY COUNCIL CIP WORKSHOP HELD ON JUNE 25TH, 2026.I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, TO ACCEPT THE NOTES AS PRESENTED.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DELEON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DE DELAY.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? NO.
ALL RIGHT, THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
AND NOW WE MOVE ON TO CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, BEFORE WE START LISTING, UH, WELL CONSENT AGENDA 5.1, CONSIDERATION IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON THE LIDELL WALKER, PHASE FIVE, FINAL PLAT, 36.574 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND 172.
SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND TWO.
GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF CR 1 32 AND WEST OF CR 1 33.
CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION OF HERITAGE MILL NORTH SECTION TWO.
FINAL PLAT 20.03 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND 154.
RESIDENTIAL LOTS GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTH OF FM 1660 AND EAST OF CR 1 63.
5.3 CONSIDERATION, IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON THE HIGHWAY.
ONE 30 MIXED USE FINAL PLAT, 41.247 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND.
ONE RIGHT OF WAY LOCATED EAST OF HIGHWAY ONE 30 AND NORTH OF CR 1 0 9 AND 5.4 CONSIDERATION, IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON THE HU RETAIL FINAL PLAT.
13.84 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND SEVEN COMMERCIAL LOTS.
TWO DRAINAGE LOTS GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF US.
EAST OF STATE HIGHWAY ONE 30 AND WEST OF INNOVATION BOULEVARD.
AND IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL 5.3 AND PUT THAT IMMEDIATELY AFTER 6.1 AND PULL 5.4 AND PUT THAT IMMEDIATELY AFTER 6.3.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE APPROVING FINAL PLATS BEFORE WE APPROVE PRELIMINARY PLATS.
AND CAN WE ALSO PULL 5.1? SO, SO YOU MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT FIVE ONE.
UH, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THOSE AND FIVE ONE UH, YOU WOULD LIKE TO PULL FIVE ONE? YES, I HAVE.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO PULLING FIVE ONE FOR DISCUSSION? NO.
ALRIGHT, THEN WE WILL PULL FIVE ONE FOR DISCUSSION.
SO, UH, UM, I'D LIKE TO ADD ABOUT 5.1.
UM, AFTER THE REPORT CAME OUT, UH, THERE WAS FURTHER CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND STAFF AND THAT ENGINEERING COMMENT THAT WAS MADE WAS, UH, WAS CLEARED THROUGH, UM, CONVERSATION WITH THE, UH, PLAN REVIEW ENGINEER.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE ESD LETTER, THERE WAS SOME, UM, THERE WAS A ERROR AND THAT WAS CORRECTED AS WELL.
AND SO STAFF HAS NOW, UM, HAS THAT LETTER.
SO THE ENGINEERING COMMENT, CAN WE HAVE DISCUSSION OR RIGHT.
SO, SO THE ENGINEERING COMMENT WAS DUE TO THE ISSUE WITH THE EASEMENT THAT DEDICATION? YES.
THE PUES AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN THE ROOM AS WELL.
UM, JUST SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE, BUT, SO IT'S ONLY 10 OR IS IT 15? SO THE, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, WHAT WAS SHOWN BY THE APPLICANT WAS WHAT, UM, HAS BEEN DONE FOR THE, UM, SUBDIVISION AND I, I'M NOT THE PLAN REVIEW ENGINEER AS YOU KNOW, BUT YEAH, UM, I BELIEVE THE 10 IS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE MAINTAINING.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON 5.1? ALRIGHT, THEN WE WILL THEN I WILL CONSIDER A MOTION FOR 5.1 AND 5.2.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT AS IT PRESENTED 5.1 AND 5.2.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DAON, I'LL SECOND AND I HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DELAY.
AND THAT IS TO APPROVE 5.1 AND 5.2.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? UM, I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.
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PACKET IT SAYS Y'ALL, UM, ARE RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THE FINAL PLATS OR NOW ARE YOU CHANGING YOUR, YOUR, UH, POSITION ON THAT? YES, BECAUSE BOTH THE COMMENTS WERE ADDRESSED.I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE THERE.
OKAY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING 5.1 AND 5.2 AS PRESENTED WITH THE ENGINEERING UPDATE.
UH, ALL RIGHT, NEXT IS ITEM 6.1.
CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE HIGHWAY ONE 30 MIXED USE PRELIMINARY PLAT 41.247 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND 11 TOTAL LOTS EIGHT COMMERCIAL, TWO OPEN SPACE DRAINAGE, ONE RIGHT OF WAY LOCATED EAST OF HIGHWAY ONE 30 AND NORTH OF CR 1 0 9.
UH, MANNY HERNANDEZ FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE A LOCATION MAP PULLED UP ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU GUYS IN CASE YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WHERE THIS IS LOCATED.
UM, AS THE TITLE STATED, IT IS LOCATED ALONG ONE 30 AND YOU'LL SEE THAT, UM, CR 1 0 9 IS ALSO ANOTHER ACCESS POINT ONTO THE SLOT WITH THAT LITTLE SLIVER THAT GOES DOWN SOUTH.
UM, SO THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT CONSISTS ABOUT FOUR, UH, 41.247 ACRES.
IT'S CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND IT IS WITHIN THE CITY OF HUDU, UH, LIMITS.
UH, IT IS GOVERNED BY A PID DA, A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, UM, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, AS WELL AS THE UDC FOR ANYTHING THAT'S NOT COVERED WITHIN THAT DOCUMENT.
UH, THE PIT ESTABLISHES A BASE ZONING OF, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND IT ALSO, UM, HENCE THE MIXED USE NAME.
IT ALLOWS FOR SOME MULTIFAMILY AND SOME B TWO WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT'S SHOWN IN THE CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH IS IN YOUR, UM, PACKET FOR TODAY.
SO THERE'S 11 TOTAL LOTS, EIGHT COMMERCIAL, UH, TWO DETENTION, AND THEN THE NEW ROAD WOULD BE THE ONE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THE PLAT COMPLIES WITH THE APPROVED BID AND THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ESTABLISHED IN THE DA AS WELL AS THE UDC.
SO HERE'S A BETTER LOOK AT THAT.
REAL, REAL QUICK QUESTION ON THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THAT IS THE RIGHT OF WAY LOT FOR ONE 30 FRONTAGE ROAD.
CORRECT? NOW IF YOU SEE THERE'S A EAST, WEST, OH, IT IS FOR THE EAST WEST, OKAY.
AND SO, UH, THIS WAS ANNEXED AS PART OF, UM, IT WAS ANNEX, UH, AS PART OF THAT DA.
AND SO, UH, THE SURROUNDING USES, UH, OUR ETJ TO THE WEST, NORTHEAST AND SOUTH.
AND SO STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS IN THE PI, UM, AS WELL AS THOSE IN THE UDC.
UH, IT IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE SHOCK CLOCK BILL AND, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS AS PRESENTED.
THIS DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:13 PM IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT SEVEN.
UH, PLEASE LET US KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
WE'RE AT 1701 COUNTY ROAD 1 0 9.
JUST THE EDGE OF THE DEPICTION OF THE, WELL, I WAS TRYING TO SEE WHERE THAT WAS TO DESCRIBE IT, BUT IT'S BASICALLY THE FRONT EDGE OF ONE 30 AND THE ADJOIN PROPERTY.
I'M KINDA TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, BUT OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS DOTTED ON THE LINE THERE IN THE LAST, I GUESS WE'VE HAD THE PULLED UP THERE, BUT YES, THAT ONE THERE.
BUT JUST ON THE STRIP COMING ALONG ONE 30 ON THE FRONTAGE, THERE'S THE DIRT ROAD THAT LEADS INTO THE BACK ACREAGE THERE.
IS THERE ANYTHING DEEMED WHAT, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAVE MAPPED ON
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THAT WHEN KIND OF DESCRIPTIVE THERE, BUT I WASN'T SURE WHAT'S GONNA BE PLATTED FOR WHAT MIGHT GO ALONG THERE ON ONE 30.IS THAT BASED ON THE ENTRANCE TO ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT? DO YOU KNOW? OR SORRY, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION.
SO JUST ON THE ONE 30 TOLL ROAD SIDE MM-HMM
WHERE? COUNTY ROAD 1 0 9, RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER OF IT? MM-HMM
THERE'S A, CURRENTLY A DIRT ROAD.
THE INITIAL LAYOUT WE GOT WAS MAPPED OUT AROUND THAT, WHICH LEADS THAT LITTLE SLIVER LAND BACK TO THE OPEN AREA.
JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THEY'RE PLANNING ON CUTTING THROUGH THERE OR IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF PLAN FOR WHAT THEY'LL UTILIZE THAT PART FOR WHERE IT SAYS, SO THAT TINY SLIVER THAT'S YEAH, IT WAS, IT SAYS PGA.
OH, SO YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THAT? YES, SIR.
LIKE WHAT'S GONNA GO THERE OR, OKAY, WE'RE JUST ADJOINED TO THAT ON THE SIDE.
THAT'S BASICALLY PROPERTY LINE FOR US, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY, UM, THING WAS ON THE AGENDA FOR THAT YET.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE AN ACCESS ROAD INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
I'M PRETTY SURE I CAN, UH, LOOK.
WELL ONE BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S CURRENTLY JUST A SMALL DIRT ROAD SLIVER.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY WERE GOING TO EXPAND BECAUSE YOU GOT THE ACCESS ROAD ACTUALLY JUST RIGHT NEXT TO IT AS WELL, AND A DEAD END CORNER THERE.
THAT'S KIND OF OUR MAIN CONCERN.
IT'S OUR FRONT YARD, SO WE WERE JUST KIND OF SEEING WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON THE CORNER THERE.
UM, I'LL GET THAT PULLED UP FOR YOU, THAT CONCEPT PLAN.
AND THAT WAY, SORRY, THAT WAY YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK, TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
AND, AND SEE WHAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
JUST WASN'T SURE WHAT THAT YEAH, THEIR PLAN THERE WAS.
SO, UH, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO GIVE MANNY YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION SO WE CAN GET THAT? OH, YES, SIR.
I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG THIS MEETING'S GONNA GO TONIGHT, SO.
OH, I CAN, WHATEVER YOU NEED FROM ME.
DID YOU WANT JUST WRITE IT DOWN FOR YOU? YEAH, THERE'S SOME PAPERS OVER HERE IF YOU CAN, YOU CAN JUST FLIP IT ON THE BACKSIDE AND LEAVE YOUR INFORMATION ON THERE.
UH, ANYONE ELSE FOR, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, NOW SEEING NONE, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? THIS IS, THIS IS ON, UM, I CAN'T EVEN THINK RIGHT NOW.
UM, IT'S NOT HOW TO WATER, CORRECT? IT'S ON MANVILLE WATER, RIGHT? JONAH? I'M SORRY? JONAH.
IS IT GONNA BE ON OUR SEWER? I BELIEVE I DID SEE SOME PROJECTS FOR CONNECTING THAT INTO THE SEWER.
NOT, UH, NOT AT LIMMER CROSSING, BUT SOUTH ACROSS LIMMER AND, UH, BASICALLY THAT FIELD NORTH OF THE OKAY.
UH, COLLEGE DID, DID, DID THEY NOT COME TO US BEFORE OR GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL? UH, WITH THE SAME PROJECT? YES, THEY WENT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'VE COME IN FRONT OF US.
DIDN'T, DID I KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? OKAY.
OKAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION? OH, I'M SORRY, I FORGOT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, LET ME CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT, UH, 7:19 PM SUPPOSED TO KEEP ME HONEST ABOUT THAT STUFF.
UH, SO, UH, 6.1, IF UH, THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 6.1.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CH UH, APPROVE 6.1 AS WRITTEN.
I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR WORTZ AND I HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DAN JUMPING RIGHT IN.
ALRIGHT, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING 6.1 AS PRESENTED, SAY AYE.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO BACK UP TO 5.3 FOR EVERYONE FOLLOWING ALONG AT HOME.
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UP TO 5.3, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE HIGHWAY ONE 30 MIXED USE FINAL PLAT, 41.247 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND 11 TOTAL LOTS.EIGHT COMMERCIAL, TWO OPEN SPACE DRAINAGE, ONE RIGHT OF WAY LOCATED EAST OF HIGHWAY ONE 30 AND NORTH OF CR 1 0 9.
AND THERE IS NO PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE.
DO WE NEED MANNY TO GO THROUGH IT AGAIN? NO, NO, WE'RE GOOD.
UH, AS FAR AS THIS GOES, I WOULD LOOK LIKE TO POINT OUT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, THE SMALL INSET MAP, THEY DO MATCH.
THESE ARE THE SAME LOTS THAT WERE ON THE PRELIMINARY.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 5.3.
UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 5.3 AS PRESENTED.
ALRIGHT, I WILL SECOND, I'LL SECOND.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DALY ON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DE DELAY.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT.
HEARING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR? UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING, UH, 5.3 AS PRESENTED, SAY AYE.
AND, UH, MANNY, DID YOU GET THE CONTACT INFORMATION? OKAY, PERFECT.
THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO 6.2 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE KIRK TRACK.
PRELIMINARY PLAT, 77.27 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND 272, SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, ONE COMMERCIAL LOT 15 OPEN SPACE LOTS GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF FM 1660 AND WEST OF CR 1 34.
MANNY HERNANDEZ AGAIN FOR THE RECORD.
SO BEHIND YOU GUYS OR ON YOUR DISPLAYS, YOU SHOULD HAVE A LOCATION MAP PULLED UP AS WELL.
SO THIS IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN, UM, ALONG THE CURRENT FM 1660 AND THE FUTURE SOUTHEAST LOOP WILL BE GOING THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
SO IT'S APPROXIMATELY 77.27 ACRES OF UNDEVELOPED LAND AND IT IS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
UH, THIS PROPERTY IS GOVERNED BY AN APPROVED AND ADOPTED, UH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
IT, IT WILL INCLUDE 272 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, ONE COMMERCIAL LOT AND 15 OPEN SPACE LOTS.
AND THE PLAT COMPLIES WITH THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ESTABLISHED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO IT IS SURROUNDED BY ETJ ON THE NORTHEAST AND WEST SIDES TO THE SOUTH THERE IS, UM, TWO LOTS, ONE OF THEM BEING ETJ AND ONE BEING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
AND THEN THEY'VE GOT THE OVERALL PLAT UP ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU GUYS AS WELL.
UM, AND IT'S IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL.
SO IT AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, IS IT IS IN COMPLIANCE, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE LOTS SIDE STANDARDS AND, UM, OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ESTABLISHED IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND, UM, IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO THE SHOCK CLOCK BILL AND, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS, UH, APPROVAL.
AND THIS IS ALSO A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL.
ALL RIGHT, WELL IN THAT CASE, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:24 PM IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7 24 AND OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION FROM THE DIOCESE.
UH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION TO START
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US OFF.UH, LOOKING AT THE MAP, IF YOU COULD PULL THAT BACK UP.
UH, I UNDERSTAND NORTH IS TO THE RIGHT SOUTH IS TO THE LEFT.
UH, FIRST QUESTION I HAVE IS ON THE BOTTOM OF THIS MAP, SO THAT WOULD BE EAST, WHAT IS THAT? ROAD? TWO ROAD? YES.
UH, AT THE BO ALONG THE BOTTOM BOUNDARY OF THE MAP WHERE THE RED SCRIBBLE IS.
SO THAT WILL BE THE ONLY WAY IN OR OUT OF THE PROPERTY AS THE SOUTHEAST LOOP, THAT PHASE IS NOT COMPLETED, IS THAT CORRECT? THE APPLICANT IS IN THE ROOM.
UM, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? YEAH.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN ALL HEAR YOU.
SO THE ENGINEER, UH, NOT THE APPLICANT, BUT I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO THAT PORTION OF THE SOUTHEAST LOOP IS OPEN IS MY UNDERSTANDING TO CONNECT TO 1660.
AND THEY'VE PROVIDED US THE DRIVE, THE DRIVEWAY STUB ACROSS THE RIGHT OF WAY TO ACCESS OUR PROPERTY.
SO WE WOULD BE PICKING IT UP WHERE YOU SEE THE ROAD ON THE SUBDIVISION EXPANDING, AND THEN WE'D HAVE ACCESS ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST LOOP TO 1660.
THAT, THAT WAS MY PRIMARY CONCERN IS PUTTING ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ON 1 34.
I DON'T THINK IT CAN HANDLE THAT.
I I BELIEVE IT'S THE FRONTAGE ROAD THAT THEY'RE BUILDING OUT FIRST.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE CONNECTING TO? CORRECT.
RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S, I BELIEVE IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE.
UH, DO YOU KNOW TIMELINE ON THAT? THE FRONTAGE ROAD? YEAH.
UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE AHEAD OF ANY OF OUR CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE, SO IT'LL BE COMPLETE PRIOR TO US NEEDING IT.
WE DO NOT NEED CONSTRUCTION GOING ACROSS CORNFIELDS.
UH, OH, UH, SECOND QUESTION ON THIS ONE.
SOUTH OF THE FRONTAGE ROAD THERE, UH, KIND OF IN THE TRIANGLE BETWEEN 1660 AND THE FRONTAGE ROAD.
THIS IS VERY SMALL FONT AND MY EYES ARE OLD.
ALL RIGHT, WELL THOSE WERE ALL MY QUESTIONS.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? NO.
I SHOULD PROBABLY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OH WAIT, NO I DID, I CLOSED IT AT 7 24.
YEAH, BUT YOU, I THINK YOU GOT SOMEBODY ELSE.
NO, NO, I DON'T THINK YOU DID.
I WROTE, I WROTE IT DOWN AT 7 24.
NO ONE WANTS, AND AGAIN, I DON'T SEE WHERE SCIS AT 7 24 PUBLIC HEARING.
I WILL REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING SINCE WE DO HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPEAK ON IT.
IT'S, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT IT WAS ADVERTISED AS SUCH.
STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO DO SO.
IT WAS JUST AN IT, IT WAS LEFT OFF OF THE AGENDA.
SO FOR, FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY TONIGHT, ITEM 6, 2, 6, 4, 6, 5, 6, 6, 6 7 AND SIX EIGHT ARE ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
NONE OF THE CAPTIONS INDICATE THAT THEY'RE PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT THEY WERE ADVERTISED AS SUCH AND THEY'LL BE CONDUCTED AS SUCH, BUT IT'S JUST NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
AND YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ON, UH, ON THIS ITEM.
ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7 29 AND COME ON UP SIR, SO WE CAN HEAR YOU.
MY NAME IS REX VANVALKENBERG AND I LIVE ON COUNTY ROAD 1 34.
THAT LITTLE UM, TRIANGLE YOU GOT THERE? MM-HMM
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GOING IN THERE, DO YOU KNOW? UH, THAT'S GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL.SO, AND THAT'LL BE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE FRONTAGE ROAD FOR, DO WE KNOW AHEAD OF TIME WHAT'S GOING IN THERE? WE DO NOT.
ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC HEARING? ROUND TWO
ALRIGHT THEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:30 PM AND OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION.
THE ONLY THING I HAVE, MANNY, CAN YOU, IN THE, OR WHOEVER DOES THE AGENDA IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH FM 1660, CAN YOU DENOTE IF IT'S SOUTH OR NORTH? I MEAN, I THINK ALL OF US KNOW, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE MAY NOT KNOW EXACTLY AND IT'D BE JUST A LOT EASIER FOR EVERYBODY IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND DOING THAT.
ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 6.2.
MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT 6.2 AS WRITTEN.
ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR WIRTZ AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DE DELAY.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL HEARING NONE.
I WILL CALL FOR VOTE APPROVAL OF 6.2 AS PRESENTED.
CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE HURO RETAIL PRELIMINARY PLAT.
13.84 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND SEVEN COMMERCIAL LOTS, TWO DRAINAGE LOTS GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF US.
HIGHWAY 79 EAST OF STATE HIGHWAY ONE 30 AND WEST OF INNOVATION BOULEVARD C MEETING HERNANDEZ AGAIN FOR THE RECORD.
SO ONCE AGAIN I'VE GOT THE LOCATION MAP ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU GUYS.
UM, THIS IS ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTHWEST CORNER.
SO IT'S APPROXIMATELY 13.84 ACRES.
UH, IT'S CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED, UH, IT'S GOVERNED BY A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UH, IT HAS A GENERAL BASE ZONING OF B TWO.
THERE'LL BE SEVEN COMMERCIAL LOTS AND TWO DRAINAGE LOTS.
UH, IT IS INTENDED TO BE A TRADITIONAL SHOPPING CENTER, UH, FEATURING KEY TENANTS SUCH AS SPROUTS, OLIVE GARDEN, LONGHORN, AND OTHERS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY HEARD OF.
UH, THE REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT AS STATED.
SEVEN LOTS THAT ARE COMMERCIAL, TWO DRAINAGE AND IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE LOT STANDARDS AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ESTABLISHED IN THE DA AS WELL AS THE UDC.
UH, SO TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, YOU HAVE A ETJ LOT TO THE EAST, YOU HAVE UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL LOT TO THE SOUTH.
AND IF YOU GO TO THE OTHER SIDE, YOU HAVE UH, THE CARMEL, THE EMORY CROSSING APARTMENTS AND THE CARMEL CREEK SUBDIVISION TO THE WEST.
YOU HAVE, UH, THE ETJ AS WELL AS UM, ONE 30.
SO THE STAFF HAS COMPLETED REVIEW OF THIS, UH, PRELIM AND FINAL, UH, THE, ALL THE COMMENTS, UH, WERE CLEARED.
UH, IT IS NOT SUBJECT TO SHOCK CLOCK, UH, IT IS COMPLIANT WITH THE DA AND THE UDC AND STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
ALRIGHT, 6.3 DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:34 PM AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:35 PM AND OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION.
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NO SURPRISE.UH, FIRST PART IS I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP, UH, LOTS.
ONE AND THREE I PRESUME ARE GOING TO OPEN UP TO THE ON RAMP OR TO THE CONNECTOR ROAD AS IT APPEARS THERE IS SIGNIFICANT.
UH, LOT TWO IS A POND LOT, SO I CAN'T IMAGINE THERE'S A BRIDGE OVER THAT TO INNOVATION.
SO JUST CURIOUS ABOUT CONNECTIONS.
IT SHOULD BE ALL CONNECTED THROUGH INTERNAL DRIVEWAYS.
THE APPLICANT, UM, IS IN THE ROOM.
UH, IS THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS CORRECT.
RIGHT? THE ONLY ACCESS POINT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT FROM ONE 30 IS THAT, UH, CONNECTOR ROAD? NO, THERE'S ACTUALLY, UH, THERE'LL BE A CURB CUT AT WHAT, SHOULD I COME UP HERE? YES, PLEASE, PLEASE.
THERE WILL BE ONE ACCESS POINT TO LOT ONE OFF THE CONNECTOR ROAD AND THEN IF YOU SEE LOT THREE THAT KIND OF HAS THAT FLAG LOT LOOKING CONDITION OUT TO ONE 30, THERE WILL ALSO BE AN ACCESS POINT THERE TO THE OFF TO THE ON RAMP OR OFF RAMP.
SO BOTH LOT ONE AND LOT THREE WILL OPEN TO THE WEST, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, OR SORRY, JUST LOT THREE TO THE WEST.
LOT ONE'S ACCESS WILL COME TO THE SOUTH OFF CONNECTOR ROAD
SO THE OFF RAMP FROM 79 IS GOING TO HAVE A ENTRANCE AND EXIT INTO LOT ONE.
OH NO, I'M SORRY, I'M TALKING ABOUT ONE 30 LOT.
79 IS ACTUALLY FURTHER TO THE SOUTH SO THAT YEAH, IT, IT IS AT THE, AT, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS MAP, IT IS AT THE RIGHT EDGE OF LOT ONE AND THAT'S WHY I WAS RAISING THAT QUESTION LIKE LOT, ONE LOT.
I I UNDERSTAND THERE'S, THERE'S, YES, THERE'S SORRY FOR THE SOUTHERN LOT ONE.
THE ACCESS WILL NOT BE OFF 79.
IT ACTUALLY SITS HIGHER AT GRADE AND THEN THERE'S A BIG TEXT EASEMENT.
SO EXACTLY THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT
AND THEN LOT THREE OF THAT THREE LOT BLOCK IS GOING TO OPEN ONTO, ONTO, UH, THE WEST ON THE ONE 30 ACCESS OR IT'S GONNA OPEN, OPEN ONTO THE CONNECTOR? NO SIR, JUST THE CONNECTOR DRIVE.
YEAH, THE SOUTHERN LOT THREE IS JUST THE CONNECTOR DRIVE.
SORRY, I WAS CONFUSED THINKING ABOUT YEAH, SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE SPECIFIC.
OKAY, SO THAT WAS THE FIRST QUESTION.
THE SECOND QUESTION IS REGARDING PARKER LANE.
UH, PARKER LANE IS GOING TO PASS BY THE NORTH END OF THIS.
WHO IS DEVELOPING PARKER LANE? WHO'S BUILDING IT? IS THAT JOINT BETWEEN PENSKE AND THIS DEVELOPER? IS IT ALL CITY? IS IT SHARED THREE WAYS? HOW IS THIS WORKING? YOU GUYS ARE NOT INVOLVED IN PARKER LANE? THAT'S CORRECT.
YEAH, PENSKE'S THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE NORTH OF PARKER LANE.
TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF IMPROVEMENT OBLIGATIONS NOR DO, UH, NOR DO WE ON OUR SITE.
I THINK LONG TERM IF THAT GETS IMPROVED, IT'S A BENEFIT FOR EVERYONE, BUT THERE'S NO CONTEMPLATION OF THAT.
AND THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE, THE NORTH BLOCK LOT ONE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S GOING TO OPEN UP ONTO THE ACCESS TO ONE 30? UH, IT'S ACTUALLY THROUGH LOT THREE TECHNICALLY, BUT ALL OF THE LOTS WILL HAVE CROSS ACCESS TO THAT.
'CAUSE YEAH, CURRENTLY THAT IS A, UH, THAT'S A DEAD END.
SO, UM, FOR STAFF, DO WE HAVE ANY SORT OF TIMELINE ON THE, BOTH THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE ACCESS ROAD, THE FRONTAGE ROAD, ESSENTIALLY, DO WE HAVE ANY SORT OF TIMELINE? ARE THESE GONNA MATCH UP OR IS ONE GONNA BE WAY BEHIND THE OTHER? I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE COORDINATION IS BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND TXDOT.
I COULD NOT TELL YOU WHAT TXDOT SCHEDULE IS FOR THE COMPLETION OF THAT ROAD NORTH OF 79 UP TO THE LIMMER.
UM, 'CAUSE I THINK THAT INVOLVES A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT AT THE LIMMER INTERCHANGE AS WELL.
SO, UM, I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE FOR THIS PROJECT, JUDGING FROM THE NUMBER OF PHONE CALLS AND EMAILS WE GET, THEY'D LIKE TO BE DONE TWO WEEKS AGO.
SO I THINK THEY'RE GONNA MOVE JUST AS FAST AS POSSIBLE FOR THE AMOUNT OF IMPROVEMENT THAT THEY NEED TO PUT IN THE GROUND.
ALRIGHT, WELL LET'S GET AHOLD OF MR. PEABODY AND DIAL THE WAY BACK MACHINE AND WE'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN.
ALRIGHT, UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS
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ITEM? ALRIGHT.HEARING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 6.3, WHICH IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT 6.3 AS WRITTEN SECOND.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR WETZ AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DAON.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING 6.3 AS PRESENTED.
UH, NOW WE JUMP BACK TO 5.4 AND RATHER THAN I DO WE NEED MANNY TO GO OVER THIS AGAIN? NO, WE'RE ALL GOOD.
UH, 5.4 IS CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE HU RETAIL FINAL PLAT.
13.84 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND SEVEN COMMERCIAL LOTS, TWO DRAINAGE LOTS GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF US.
HIGHWAY 79, EAST OF STATE HIGHWAY ONE 30 AND WEST OF INNOVATION BOULEVARD.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 5.4 AS PRESENTED.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DAON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DAN.
ALRIGHT, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? YES, I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT SOMETHING.
THAT ONLY SHOWS SIX COMMERCIAL LOTS AND THREE POND LOTS.
UH, FLIP, FLIP, FLIP, WHAT ARE WE DOING? FIVE, THREE OR FIVE? FIVE.
UH, THIS IS, UH, EITHER 1, 5, 4.
EITHER ONE OF THEM, BUT I WAS JUST LOOKING AT IT AND IT ONLY SHOWS IT'S GOT FOUR COMMERCIAL LOTS ON THE NORTH SIDE, TWO TO THE SOUTH AND THREE POND LOTS.
IS THE MAP WRONG OR, UH, SOMETHING GET MISLABELED? IT'S JUST THE DESCRIPTION IN THE AGENDA.
WELL, I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE MAP AND THE MAP SAYS WE GOT THREE POND LOTS.
WHICH LOT IS NOT GONNA BE A POND.
THE MAP'S CORRECT, BUT THE DESCRIPTIONS ARE WRONG.
SO IT SHOULD BE SIX COMMERCIAL LOTS, THREE POND.
OKAY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE, ON THE MO ON THE MOTION? SHOULD WE GET THE MOTION TO, UH, AMENDED TO, TO CHANGE THE DESCRIPTION TO MATCH THE MAP PLEASE? ALL OF THE AGENDA ITEM? YES.
THE AGENDA ITEM, UH, OR HOWEVER, HOWEVER THAT COULD BE DONE.
YEAH, LET, UH, PARDON? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
THE, THE, THE DESCRIPTION SAYS SEVEN AND TWO.
THE, THE, THE APPLICANT JUST SAID IT'S THE MAP IS CORRECT FOR SIX AND THREE.
SO WE NEED TO GET THE DESCRIPTION UPDATED SOMEWHERE.
I, I THINK WHAT, WHAT WE CAN DO, DO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE APPROVING THE PLAT NOT THE AGENDA TEXT, SO, RIGHT.
YOU CAN SPELL IT OUT IN YOUR MOTION IF YOU CHOOSE.
WELL, I, I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS JUST ASK STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THE AGENDA IS NOT CUT AND PASTED FOR COUNCIL SO THEY GET A SIX AND THREE, NOT A SEVEN AND TWO PLEASE.
DOES THAT WORK? THAT WORKS FOR ME.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET IT ALL SQUARE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? NOPE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF 5.4 AS PRESENTED WITH THE NOTE TO STAFF TO MAKE THE CORRECTION BEFORE COUNCIL.
NEXT IS 6.4 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CASE NUMBER ZON 2 6 0 0 2 5.
A REQUEST BY CLIFF KENDALL OF WGI, REPRESENTATIVE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF HURO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
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OWNER TO REZONE 140 ACRE PARCEL FROM LI TO PUD SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATING THAT DATA CENTER WILL BE AN ALLOWABLE USE WITHIN THE PARCELS ASSIGNMENT BASED ASSIGNED BASE ZONING OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND THAT THE PROPERTY WILL BE PERMITTED TO OPERATE ON PREMISES POWER GENERATION AS ACCESSORY TO ANY AND ALL ALLOWABLE USES ON THE PROPERTY.AND THIS ONE IS A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL? YES.
MANNY HERNANDEZ FOR THE RECORD.
UM, SO THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE MEGA SITE, UH, FOR THOSE NOT FAMILIAR, THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S SHOWN UP ON THE SCREEN, ALL OF WHICH IS IN GRAY.
UM, THE DASHED RED AREA WITH THE STAR IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR TODAY.
UM, SO IT'S ROUGHLY 140 ACRES.
IT'S LOCATED IN THE EAST CENTRAL PORTION OF THE MEGASITE AS SHOWN IN THAT LAST IMAGE.
UM, SO THE MEGASITE ITSELF, UM, IS ALONG OR THIS LOT IS CLOSEST TO THAT CORNER OF 79 AND 33 49.
UM, THE MEGA SITE IS WITHIN AND THIS LOT AS WELL AS WITHIN THE CITY OF HUDU, UH, CORPORATE LIMITS.
UM, THE LOT HAS A DESIGNATION OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, UH, DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH AND EAST ARE PARCELS, UH, WITH THE SAME, UH, ZONING OF LI UM, AND THEN TO THE WEST AND SOUTH ARE SOME ETJ UNINCORPORATED PROPERTIES.
BUT THEY DO HAVE THAT CHAPTER 43 AGREEMENT THAT STATES WHERE, UH, IF THE AG EXEMPTION, ANY CHANGE TO THE PROPERTY THAT RESULTS IN THE REMOVAL OF THE A AG EXEMPTION WILL RESULT IN ANNEXATION OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN ACROSS 33 49 IS TAYLOR, ETJ.
UH, IS HERE YOU HAVE IS, UH, SCHEMATIC OF THE LOT.
SO THAT SOLID, UH, BLACK LINE IS THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES FOR THE 140 ACRES.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, BUT IT IS PROPOSED TO BE REZONED WITH A, AS A PUD WITH A BASE DISTRICT OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, BUT TO ALLOW, UH, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF TECHNOLOGY CAMPUS CONSISTING OF DATA CENTER, DATA CENTER FACILITIES, INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE, UH, FLEX INDUSTRIAL OFFICE, AND OTHER SUPPORTING COMMERCIAL USES.
SO STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS, UM, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE SITE'S, UH, INDUSTRIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION.
UH, IT FALLS IN LINE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION.
UH, THE VISION FOR AN EMPLOYMENT FOCUSED, UM, INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT WITHIN THE MEGA SITE, UH, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ALREADY ZONED OR PLANNED TO BE ZONED FOR THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AS, AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT EARLIER.
AND SO THIS REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE AREA.
UM, THERE, THERE ARE NO PHYSICAL CHANGES TO THE PROPERTY AT THIS TIME.
THIS IS A-A-P-U-D THAT WILL ENABLE, UM, THOSE, THOSE USES THAT WERE, UH, EN LISTED OUT IN THE LAST SLIDE, SUCH AS THE, THE OFFICE OF FLEX, THE DATA CENTER.
UM, AND THE CURRENT ZONING DESIGNATION DOES NOT ACCOMMODATE FOR, UM, THE DATA CENTER BY RIGHT AT THIS TIME.
UH, SO STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THIS, THIS CHANGE TO THE PUD DOES NOT REALLY POSE ANY ADVERSARIAL RISKS OR DANGERS TO LIFE AND SAFETY IN THE AREA.
AS STATED, IT FALLS IN LINE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IT DOES CONTRIBUTE SOME ECONOMIC BENEFITS TO THE CITY THROUGH JOB CRE CREATION AND TAXABLE ACTIVITY.
UH, SO STAFF, UM, SUPPORTS THE APPROVAL OF, OF THIS, UH, PUD ZONING AS IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THE UDC AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TONIGHT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM.
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WELL THEN SINCE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:50 PM AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OH, WE'VE GOT ONE.MANNY, MANNY, WILL YOU PUT THAT MAP BACK UP? THANK YOU.
UH, MY NAME IS NETTE NORMAN LESSNER.
I LIVE AT 1 2 6 2 1 FM 1660, TAYLOR, TEXAS.
I LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY OF NORMAN'S CROSSING.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE NORMAN FAMILY'S BEEN HERE SINCE 1872 AND AS STEWARDS OF THIS BEAUTIFUL LAND, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEAVY INDUSTRY HEADING OUR WAY.
UH, MANY RESIDENTS AND LANDOWNERS ON OR NEAR FM 33 49 ARE CONCERNED TOO.
AND NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE THE HUGE SKY BOX DATA CENTER NEAR OUR FARMS, BUT ALSO WE HAVE THE IRON MOUNTAIN DATA CENTER THAT'S GONNA BE SEVEN HUMONGOUS BUILDINGS.
SO THIS DATA CENTER IS BEING PROPOSED TO BRING UP A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR US.
AND I JUST WANNA POINT SOMETHING OUT TO YOU GENTLEMEN.
WE WANT THE HIGHEST QUALITY OF LIFE AS WELL.
AND THERE ARE HOMES AND FARMS IN THIS AREA.
THAT SAID, I SAW THE THING THAT SAID NO IMPACT ENVIRONMENT.
WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS DATA CENTER.
HOW BIG IS IT GONNA BE? WHAT IS THE NOISE? POLLUTION, LIGHT POLLUTION, AIR POLLUTION, WATER USE, WASTE WATER, ELECTRICITY, TRAFFIC, CON CONSTRUCTION GOING TO DO TO ALL OF US AND OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.
WE WOULD LIKE ANSWERS TO OUR QUESTIONS BEFORE ANY DECISIONS TONIGHT ARE MADE.
WE WANT TO MEET WITH THE CITY.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY MET WITH THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT IRON MOUNTAIN.
WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS UNTIL A FEW DAYS AGO, SO I'M REQUESTING THAT A DELAY BE MADE ON THIS UNTIL WE CAN GET SOME ANSWERS TO OUR QUESTIONS.
MY FAMILY'S LIVED THERE FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS AND I'M REQUESTING THAT WE DELAY THIS, UH, ISSUE TONIGHT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, WELL THEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:53 PM AND OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION.
THIS BACKS UP TO SAMSUNG, DOESN'T IT? UH, NOT EXACTLY.
CAN WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, CAN WE HAVE THE APPLICANT COME UP? HAYNE STRADER, CHIEF DEVELOPMENT OFFICER AT SKYBOX DATA CENTERS.
UM, DO WE HAVE AN END USER IDENTIFIED YET? NO, WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER IDENTIFIED YET.
SO IN ORDER TO GET INTO THE ERCOT APPLICATION PROCESS, WHICH, UM, HAS BEEN AN ONGOING, IF YOU'VE READ THE PAPER OR ANY OF THAT.
SO WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS CALLED BATCH ZERO.
IN ORDER TO GET INTO THE BATCH, WE HAVE TO CONTROL THE LAND.
IT HAS TO BE ZONED PROPERLY FOR DATA CENTER USE.
SO WE'RE NOT EVEN ABLE TO APPLY FOR POWER UNTIL WE GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
OUR PARTNER ON THIS, AND THEY'RE HERE AS WELL, IS PROLOGIS.
UM, THEY'RE THE LARGEST OWNER OF INDUSTRIAL REAL ESTATE IN THE WORLD.
UM, THEY PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A BUILD TO SUIT FOR INDUSTRIAL USE, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, UH, FOR AT LEAST HALF THE PARCEL.
SO THE IDEA IS HALF THE PARCEL WILL MOVE FORWARD MORE QUICKLY.
WE CAN CLOSE ON THE EDC LAND AS PER THE CONTRACT WE HAVE WITH THE E-D-E-D-C, AND THEN HOPEFULLY IF WE GET THE POWER, WE'LL BUILD A DATA CENTER.
IF WE DO NOT GET THE POWER, THE IDEA IS TO BUILD THE REST OF THE CAMPUS OUT AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
UM, ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? OH, I, I DO
I THINK, I THINK I'VE GOT A BUNCH MORE.
UM, THE DATA CENTER, HOW BIG IS IT GONNA BE? WE, WE DON'T KNOW YET.
IT'LL DEPEND ON THE AMOUNT OF POWER THAT WE GET FROM ARCO, BUT THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT WOULD BE 300 MEGAWATTS.
THAT'S THE MAXIMUM THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CITE ON THE, ON THE OKAY.
BUT POSITION, SO THAT WOULD BE FROM A SQUARE FOOTAGE PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU WERE TO COMPARE THAT TO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, IT'S PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE REALM OF 600 TO 700,000 SQUARE FEET OF DATA CENTER BUILDINGS.
WOULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? 600 TO 700,000 FEET OF DATA CENTER ASSETS.
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WELL, I, I JUST NOTICED IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND LAND USES, IT'S, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO USE UP TO SEVEN, UH, UH, 50%.WAIT A MINUTE, NO MORE THAN HALF OF THE ACRES FOR THE PROPERTY FOR A DATA CENTER.
SO THAT MEANS YOU COULD USE 70 ACRES FOR A DATA CENTER? CORRECT.
UM, IS THIS AN, A AI DATA CENTER? WE, WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE'VE GOTTEN THE POWER AND CAN LEASE IT.
I'M JUST GONNA SAY THIS, MY SUGGESTION TO YOU IS TO KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE AN AI, HOW MUCH WATER IT'S GONNA USE.
WE DO KNOW HOW MUCH WATER IT'S GONNA USE.
I KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH WATER IT'S GONNA USE.
HOW MUCH WATER IS IT GONNA USE ABOUT, UH, THE EQUIP? WELL, INCLUDING THE INDUSTRIAL, THE INDUSTRIAL ACTUALLY WAREHOUSES USE MORE WATER THAN OUR DATA CENTERS.
OUR AVERAGE DATA CENTER USES ABOUT 600,000 GALLONS OF WATER PER YEAR.
TO PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE, THE AVERAGE HOME USES 120,000 GALLONS PER YEAR.
SO ACROSS THOSE TWO DATA CENTER BUILDINGS, YOU'RE TALKING MAYBE THE EQUIVALENT OF 12 HOMES OF WATER CONSUMPTION.
SO LESS THAN WHAT WAS APPROVED THIS EVENING FOR SEVERAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY, UH, PEOPLE LIVE IN THAT AREA IN THE PROPERTY RIGHT HERE? WELL, I MEAN, SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING YES, SIR.
SO WE, WE OWN THE PROPERTY IN BLUE HERE ON THE LEFT.
I'M COLORBLIND, SO IF I'VE MISSED THIS, JUST IT'S BLUE.
BLUE OR PURPLE, WHICHEVER ONE IS THE FAR LEFT.
BUT IF YOU GO RIGHT, UH, THAT'S MR. KRUEGER, UH, TO THE RIGHT OF US, UH, TO THE, TO THE EAST OF US AND WE HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS, THAT'S TIGHTENED DEVELOPMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS OWNED BY THE EDC.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S CLOSED ALL, BUT ALL THE RESTS OF THE COLORED PROPERTIES ARE ALL, UH, OWNED BY THE EDC IF THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY TRANSACTED TO A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER.
AND THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH OF, UH, US, IT'S, WELL, RIGHT SOUTH OF THE BLUE IS THE LESH PER FAMILY.
BUT YES, WE'VE MET WITH MOST OF THESE FAMILIES, BUT DIRECTLY THE NEIGHBOR CLOSEST TO US IS MR. KRUEGER.
YOU KEEP MENTIONING GETTING POWER.
ARE YOU TYING INTO OUR EXISTING POWER STRUCTURE? YOU PLANNING ON PUTTING A POWER PLANT ON THE SITE? I MEAN, THE GOAL IS TO INTERCONNECT INTO THE GRID, WHICH, WHICH WE WOULD PAY FOR ALL RELATED SERVICES.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE CURRENT PUC CHANGES HAVE THAT HAVE HAPPENED SUB SUBSEQUENT TO SENATE BILL SIX MM-HMM
SENATE BILL SIX DICTATED THAT DATA CENTERS HAVE TO PAY RIGHT.
FOR ALL OF THEIR COSTS THAT ARE ADDED TO THE TRANSMISSION SYSTEM.
SO IN ORDER TO EVEN APPLY FOR POWER, WE'LL HAVE TO PUT UP A $15 MILLION LETTER OF CREDIT TO ERCOT, BUT IT ACTUALLY SITS WITH ENCORE, BUT IT'S HELD AGAINST ERCOT REGULATIONS.
SO WE, BUT WE CAN'T EVEN SUBMIT THAT UNTIL WE HAVE APPROVAL FOR THIS.
I WAS JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.
YOU KEPT TALKING ABOUT GETTING POWER.
I WAS JUST WONDERING WHERE THAT POWER WAS GONNA COME FROM, FROM THE GRID.
SO IF, UH, IF YOU'RE DRAWING POWER FROM THE GRID, THEN WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE POWER GENERATION PLANT? SO IN CURRENTLY, UH, THERE IS A CHANCE THAT ERCOT MAY COME BACK AND SAY YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET POWER UNTIL 2035 OR LATER.
IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO PUT BRIDGING POWER SOLUTIONS, WHICH WOULD BE A NATURAL GAS BASE, MOST LIKELY, UH, POWER IN INTO THE SYSTEM, UM, WE'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY.
WE CURRENTLY PUT POWER GENERATION ON ALL OF OUR SITES FOR REDUNDANCY AND ANCILLARY USE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE SITES WE'RE BUILDING IN THE BLUE UP THERE, ALL OF THOSE HAVE BACKUP GENERATORS.
IT WOULD LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY BUILDING.
WELL, I I GUESS I'M, I'M NOT CLEAR, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A POWER GENERATION, UH, OH, HOW WAS IT PHRASED? I'M SORRY.
UH, WHERE IS IT HERE? OH, ONSITE POWER GENERATION AS OPPOSED TO A, A GENERATOR.
TO ME, THOSE
IT'S, IT'S THE EXACT SAME THING WE HAVE IN OUR CURRENT U OR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY ON OUR CURRENT SITE.
THE PROBLEM IS NONE OF THAT'S CALLED OUT IN THE UDC AND BECAUSE THERE'S A NEW UDC, WE HAD TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION THAT DIDN'T EXIST IN THE PRE WE, WHEN WE BOUGHT THE FIRST SITE, WE ANNEXED THAT INTO THE CITY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND A PUD.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET THE PUD HERE TO MATCH WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
THE POWER GENERATION RAISED A BUNCH OF RED FLAGS.
AS FAR AS, ARE WE TALKING A POWER PLANT OR EXACTLY WHAT WERE WE TALKING ABOUT THERE? I THINK A POWER PLANT, A A TRUE BIG POWER PLANT WOULD BE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE, WHICH WOULDN'T FALL INTO THE ZONING IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE FOR PRIMARY POWER GENERATION FOR BRIDGING A SOLUTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, I, I DON'T SEE A SOLUTION WHERE LONG-TERM POWER PLANT WOULD MAKE SENSE HERE.
BUT YES, WE MAY HAVE NATURAL GAS GENERATORS THAT LOOK JUST LIKE OUR BACKUP GENERATORS THAT ARE PRODUCING PRIMARY POWER FOR A PERIOD OF TIME WHILE WE WAIT FOR INTERCONNECTION.
UH, YOU MENTIONED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
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IS THERE CURRENTLY A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ON THIS? I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S IT'S CONTRACTS AND NEGOTIATIONS WITH EDC, BUT HOW ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH COUNCIL? I DON'T, NO, WE DON'T HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN PLACE.IT THE, THIS, THE PUD CAPTURES THE SAME STANDARDS THAT WERE AC ACCOMPLISHED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO LIKE IN OUR ORIGINAL ANNEXATION, ALL OF THESE, ALL OF THESE RIGHTS ARE, ARE THE DOCUMENT THAT CAPTURES THAT IS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HERE.
IT'S A, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PUD PROCESS AS OPPOSED TO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROCESS.
CLARIFICATION? NO, I HOW THIS WORKS.
I'M CONFUSED DUE TO, DUE TO CLIFF KENDALL, THE APPLICANT, UM, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE PROPERTY'S ALREADY IN ZONED AND IN THE CITY, UH, LIMITS MM-HMM
IT'S THE REASON WHY THERE'S NOT AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS AGAIN, THE REASON FOR THE, THE PUT APPLICATION FOR PROCESS TRYING TO PROCESS AT THE MOMENT.
UH, EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO ME AGAIN, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED HERE.
YOU SAID YOU YOU'ALL HAVE THE PROPERTY IN BLUE, CORRECT? WE OWN THAT, YES, SIR.
CURRENTLY THERE'S A DATA CENTER BEING BUILT IN THAT AREA YES, SIR.
IN THAT EXACT SAME BLUE AREA, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE SEVEN OR EIGHT BUILDINGS, CORRECT? DO YOU KNOW, UH, THE NO, I DO KNOW THAT QUITE WELL.
SO WE ARE CURRENTLY, WE HAVE CONSOLIDATED TO FOUR BUILDINGS THAT USES THE SAME AMOUNT OF POWER.
SO THE CURRENT PLAN IS, THERE'S THREE BUILDINGS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW OFF 79.
AND THEN THE FOURTH BUILDING, WE BASICALLY TOOK THREE BUILDINGS AND CONSOLIDATED IN ONE INTO A SMALLER SINGLE BUILDING.
IT'S THAT BUILDING 700 SOME ODD THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
SO HOW MANY BUILDINGS ARE YOU, ARE YOU THINKING FOR THIS NEW SITE? MM-HMM
I, I THINK THE CURRENT PLAN IS TWO.
ERCOT MAY COME BACK AND SAY, YOU GET A HUNDRED MEGAWATTS, NOT 300, UNTIL WE KNOW HOW MUCH POWER WE'RE WORKING WITH.
AND FOR THAT MATTER, UNTIL YOU HAVE A TENANT, WHICH YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET UNTIL YOU HAVE POWER.
UM, THE, THE REALITY IS LIKE THEY'RE DRIVING THE DESIGN DECISIONS OFTEN AT THE, ON THIS.
UM, IF WE WERE TO BUILD IT JUST OURSELVES, WE WOULD BUILD TWO BUILDINGS IN THE, IN THE REALM OF 250 TO 350,000 SQUARE FEET A PIECE.
AND, AND MAYBE IF IT'S HELPFUL ON WHY THIS ISN'T LIKE MORE FULLY BAKED ON WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WE LIKELY, IF WE START, IF ASSUMING WE GET THROUGH THIS IN CITY COUNCIL AND WE'RE APPROVED, WE WILL THEN APPLY TO THE ERCOT PROCESS.
THAT PROCESS DOES NOT START UNTIL JUNE OR JULY OF NEXT YEAR, AND WE WON'T HAVE RESULTS UNTIL JUNE OR JULY OF 2028.
SO TO TRY TO ENVISION EXACTLY WHAT THE DESIGN IS GONNA LOOK LIKE TWO YEARS BEFORE WE EVEN HAVE THE POWER COMMITMENT FROM THE UTILITY IS, IS A TOUGH, WE'RE HAVING TO THINK A LOT FURTHER OUT THAN WE USED TO.
MANNY, DID WE SEND OUT LETTERS? YES.
DID WE GET ANY BACK? UH, WE DID, UH, LET ME GET YOU THE EXACT NUMBER.
WE DID RECEIVE, UM, A, A FEW, I GUESS REALLY WHAT I WANNA KNOW IS, UH, THE KRUGER PROPERTY THERE DID YOU, DID, DID THEY RESPOND BACK? I DO NOT REMEMBER SEEING ONE FROM THEM, BUT I CAN JUST PULL UP THAT, UM, THE LIST THAT WE HAVE OF RESPONSES AND I CAN READ THAT OUT TO YOU.
I MEAN, BECAUSE ACTUALLY THEY'RE PROBABLY THE MOST IMPACTED BY THE WHOLE THING.
SO YOU'RE WAITING ON, SO WHEN YOU, WE, IF IT GETS ALL APPROVED, THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL GOES IN FIRST AND THEN THE DATA CENTER? YES.
PROLOGIS IS TARGETING A BUILD TO SUIT.
SO THEY WILL SEEK A TENANT TO BUILD THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BEFORE THEY BUILD IT.
SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO EXACTLY WHAT WOULD GET BUILT, BUT RIGHT.
UM, YES, THEY WILL START THE BUILD TO SUIT MARKETING PROCESS.
UM, I WAS GONNA MOVE FORWARD, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT UNTIL WE GET THAT LETTER.
WHAT WAS THAT? I WAS GONNA ASK SOME QUESTIONS.
NO LIGHTING IS LIGHT POLLUTION THAT COMES FROM THE SITE FROM YES, SIR.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT AND LIKE WHAT, THERE WILL BE MORE LIGHT SOME BARRIERS, RIGHT? I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
THERE'S GONNA BE SOME BARRIERS, CORRECT? YES.
WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE WALLS AROUND THE MECHANICAL AND ELECTRICAL YARDS.
UM, THE LIGHTING, SO THE, THE, THE MOST LIGHTING WOULD BE TAKING PLACE DURING CONSTRUCTION WHEN WE HAVE CRANES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF LIGHTING OUT THERE JUST TO MAKE SURE NOBODY GETS HURT.
ONCE CONSTRUCTION'S CON CONCLUDED, YOU REALLY HAVE SECURITY LIGHTING, WHICH IS MOSTLY INTERIOR.
THERE'S NOTHING SPREAD OUT IN, INTO THE COMMUNITY.
IS IT, IS IT MORE BRIGHT THAN A CORNFIELD IS TODAY? YES, SIR.
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WILL DEFINITELY BE MORE BRIGHT THAN THAT, BUT IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LESS LIGHT THAN YOU WOULD HAVE ON A TRADITIONAL, I MEAN, A LARGE SCALE, UH, ALMOST ANY OTHER USE MOVIE THEATER, RETAIL CENTER, IT, IT'S DRAMATICALLY LESS LIGHTING THAN, THAN WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IN, IN ALMOST ANY OTHER USE CASE.AND IT'S, IT'S FOR SECURITY PURPOSES INTERNAL OF THE BUILDING.
THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT LIKE SPOTLIGHTS GOING IN PEOPLE'S HOUSES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND MAYBE TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF HOW WE HAVE DEALT WITH THIS, LIKE IN PFLUGERVILLE FOR EXAMPLE, UM, WE DID HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CONSTRUCTION.
WE HAD ONE OF THE LIGHTS ON THE CRANES WAS POURING INTO ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS, UM, UH, UH, BATHROOM WINDOWS.
AND SHE TOOK US, IT TOOK HER TWO DAYS TO GET A HOLD OF US, WHICH I'M, I'M STILL EMBARRASSED ABOUT, BUT WE HAVE, UH, FIGURED OUT HOW TO EXPEDITE COMMUNICATION WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WE'LL DO THE SAME THING HERE.
UM, BUT THE REALITY WAS, UH, WE, WE COULDN'T MOVE THAT LIGHT QUICKLY.
IT WAS GONNA TAKE US LIKE THREE OR FOUR MONTHS.
SO WE TALKED TO HER AND WORKED WITH HER AND, UH, PUT IN BLACKOUT CURTAINS IN HER BATHROOM, UH, FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
AND THEN WE REDID ALL THE DRAPES IN OUR HOUSE WHEN WE WERE DONE AS A THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT WITH US, WHICH SHE WAS VERY APPRECIATIVE OF.
UM, AND, AND TO THIS DAY, LIKE WE'RE HOSTING THE BARBECUE IN, IN PFLUGERVILLE IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
IT'S IN EARLY OCTOBER, AND WE'VE KNOWN MOST OF OUR NEIGHBORS ARE, IN FACT, WE EMPLOY MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS AS CRITICAL OPERATIONS CONSULT TECHNICIANS IN OUR BUILDING.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY WE'RE WORKING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND, AND FRIENDS WITH THE COMMUNITY.
I, I UNDERSTAND THE HIGH LEVEL OF CONCERN THAT MANY OF OUR, UH, FELLOW DEVELOPERS, UH, WHO CLAIM TO BE DATA CENTER DEVELOPERS AND ARE PROSPECTING ACROSS SITES AROUND THE COUNTRY HAVE CREATED.
AND I JUST ASK YOU TO, WE, WE'VE BEEN IN THIS COMMUNITY SINCE 2021.
UM, WE'VE KEPT OUR WORD ON EVERY DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'VE DONE HERE.
UH, WE ARE NOT ONLY AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, WE ARE SEVEN YEARS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE AS FAR AS WHAT WE COMMITTED TO DELIVERING FROM AN ECONOMIC IMPACT PERSPECTIVE.
THOSE TAX DOLLARS WILL REALLY START TO TURN ON, UM, UPON REASSESSMENT IN 2027.
THE FIRST BUILDINGS ARE GOING LIVE THIS YEAR, SO I JUST ASKED TO BE CONSIDERED IN OUR OWN ACTIONS, NOT NECESSARILY IN WHAT YOU READ IN THE PAPER BY A LOT OF OTHER GROUPS THAT HAVEN'T NECESSARILY EVER BUILT A BUILDING.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'D ASK FOR.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ON KIND OF REGARDING THE LIGHT.
UH, SINCE THIS IS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, IT WILL HAVE TO FULLY ADHERE WITH CITY ORDINANCES AS FAR AS LIGHT LEVELS, SOUND LEVELS, ET CETERA.
I JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS CROSSED, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM
T'S OR CROSSED DOTTED SIDE, YOU KNOW, UH, BARRIERS, UH, SETBACKS FOR, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S AS FAR AS POSSIBLE, SO.
UM, SO I'VE, I'VE GOT A QUESTION REGARDING THE KIND OF THE MIXED NATURE OF THIS.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE A MIX OF DATA CENTER AND A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
UH, CURRENTLY THE ONLY ROAD SERVICING THIS SITE IS KRUGER, I BELIEVE.
IS THAT RIGHT? THE SPINE ROAD.
UH, THE SPINE ROAD IS ONE LANE EACH DIRECTION,
SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY CONDUCIVE FOR ANY SORT OF LARGE VEHICLE SEMIS, ET CETERA.
IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY SORT OF EXPANSION OF THAT? AND IF SO, WHO'S PAYING FOR IT? CLIFF, DO YOU WANNA ABOUT THE EDC FROM A HOW, HOW THE COST IS ACCOUNTED FOR IT.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE, FROM A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, BOTH ARE DATA CENTER AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BELOW THE THRESHOLD FOR WHAT A, A TYPICAL TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WOULD REQUIRE.
UH, THAT BEING SAID, UH, PROBABLY MORE OF A SPECIFIC QUESTION FOR ENGINEERING CITY, CITY OF AUTO ENGINEERING ON WHAT THE OVERALL, YOU KNOW, PLAN IS FOR KRUGER KRUGER BOULEVARD.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ON THE POWER GEN? SORRY, GO AHEAD.
ON THE POWER GENERATION, UH, SOUND IS USUALLY A, A BIG CONCERN.
UH, ARE THESE GONNA BE ON FOR, WELL, I IMAGINE IF YOU GUYS DON'T GET CONNECTED OR CAUGHT, THEY'RE GONNA BE ON A LOT, CORRECT? YES.
IF WE DON'T GET IT ONCE WE'RE INTERCONNECTED, THE GOAL IS THAT GENERATORS ARE ONLY USED FOR REDUNDANT PURPOSES, LIKE MAINTENANCE, AND IF THERE WAS A POWER OUTAGE IN THE AREA, IN WHICH CASE WE'RE GIVING BACK THAT GRID CAPACITY TO THE GRID, UH, AND WE'RE FORCED TO GO ON GENERATION.
BUT YES, DURING THE INTERIM PERIOD, IF WE USE, UH, UH, SOME KIND OF, UM, BRIDGING POWER, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE ON 24 7.
AND WE WOULD PUT IN SIGNIFICANT NOISE MITIGATION.
UH, THOSE ARE NOT EXEMPT FROM CITY NOISE CODE.
SO, SO WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH CITY CODE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS
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70.IT'S EITHER 70 OR 75 DECIBELS AT NIGHT, AND 85 DECIBELS AT ARE, THE DAY IS, I KNOW THIS IS NOT A, I, NEVERMIND, I WON'T BRING THAT UP, BUT, UH, WASTEWATER, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE TIED INTO, LIKE, THAT'S GONNA BE TIED IN TO OUR WASTEWATER LINES THERE.
CAN I, COULD I MAKE A CLARIFICATION ON THAT? MAYBE JUST TO ADDRESS A POTENTIAL MISCONCEPTION.
SO THE WASTEWATER THAT'S GOING INTO THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM IS TOILETS AND SINKS, UM, AND SHOWERS.
UM, THE CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM IS DISCHARGED IN IT AND TESTED AND SHIPPED OUT.
IT'S ACTUALLY DISCHARGED INTO A TRUCK AND SHIPPED OFF SITE.
IT'S NOT PUT INTO THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM.
WE, WE, LAST YEAR, UH, IN AUSTIN, WE DISCHARGED LESS THAN 120 GALLONS FROM THE SYSTEM OF A, OF A 78,000 GALLON SYSTEM.
SO IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TONS AND TONS OF WATER.
THE CHEMICALS USED ARE TYPICALLY BROMINE AND CHLORINE, WHICH ARE VERY COMMON.
BROMINE IS USED TO LIKE, MAKE SALAMI.
UM, AND, AND CHLORINE IS USED IN POOLS, SO IT'S NOT, THERE'S NO CRAZY STUFF GOING INTO, INTO ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE DISCHARGED INTO THE, THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM.
AND I, THE ONLY OTHER THING IS, I, I WOULD SAY IS THE BIGGEST RISK OF SOMETHING GETTING DUMPED IN THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM IS ACCIDENTAL CONSTRUCTION, CONSTRUCTION DAMAGE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE SOME OF THESE HEADLINES IS SOMEBODY ACCIDENTALLY HITS A PIPE, A TRUCK ROLLS OVER ON A SITE, IT FLOODS INTO THE SEWAGE, UH, SEWER THAT WE HAVE TONS OF SAFETY PERSONNEL.
WE ARE ALL OVER THAT KIND OF STUFF.
WE'VE NOT HAD ANY ISSUES HERE IN HUDU, UM, WITH ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT, JUST AS YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE HEADLINES, THE I CAN POINT TO THE TWO BIGGEST EXAMPLES HAVE BEEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S NOT BEEN WASTE COMING OUT OF THE DATA CENTER LIKE CONTINUOUSLY.
UM, UM, DID WE GET THAT LETTER FROM YEAH.
SO THERE WAS 12, UH, UNIQUE ADDRESSES, UM, IN THE RADIUS THAT HAD LETTERS SENT TO THEM.
WE RECEIVED ONE RESPONSE, UM, OR TECHNICALLY TWO.
IT WAS TWO PEOPLE IN THE HOUSEHOLD THAT RESPONDED, UM, TO THE SAME LETTER.
UH, AND THEN THE APPLICANT DID ALSO PROVIDE US WITH A POWERPOINT.
IS THAT STILL SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE FOR US TO PULL UP? TOTALLY UP TO Y'ALL.
IF YOU WANT ME TO WALK THROUGH IT.
YEAH, IT'D BE HELPFUL MAYBE IF WE WANNA JUST PULL THAT UP AND I'LL, I'LL TRY TO GO QUICKLY.
UM, OH, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IS THIS, IS THIS OKAY? THIS YES.
IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST SCROLLING DOWN.
SO THIS IS HOPEFULLY A HELPFUL JUST GRAPHIC.
SO IF YOU LOOK WHERE IT SAYS EXISTING DATA CENTER CAMPUS ON THE FAR LEFT OF THE SCREEN, THAT IS OUR CURRENT CAMPUS.
YOU'LL SEE THE THREE EXISTING BUILDINGS TO THE NORTH.
UM, OF THE TWO KIND OF CENTER BUILDINGS, THERE ARE TWO PRIVATE SUBSTATIONS, THE LARGE SUBSTATION INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, WHICH HAD A POINTER.
BUT THE BIG CHUNK
THAT IS THE ENCORE LCRA, UH, TEAL SWITCHING STATION THAT WAS PRIMARILY BUILT IN ORDER TO SERVE THE SAMSUNG SEMICONDUCTOR PLANT.
WE WERE ABLE TO GET SOME CAPACITY OFF OF THAT.
AND IF YOU LOOK TO THE FAR, UH, WEST OF THE SCREEN RIGHT ALONG SOUTH, NORTH, SOUTH 1 32, THAT'S ACTUALLY A SUBSTATION THAT ENCORE BUILT TO SERVE THE BROADER HUDU COMMUNITY THAT DOES NOT SERVE OUR FACILITIES AT ALL.
UM, THAT'S OVER A HUNDRED MEGAWATTS OF POWER THAT'S GOING INTO ENCORE.
UM, ALL OF THAT LAND WAS SOLD TO ENCORE AT THE LEGALLY MINIMUM PROFIT THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY, THAT WE COULD MAKE WITHOUT BREAKING A LAW, UM, IN ORDER TO ENABLE ELECTRICAL, ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE GROWTH, UH, ON LAND THAT WE OWNED, UM, HERE IN THIS REGION.
UM, THE, UH, SITE TO THE, TO THE EAST OF US, THAT'S MR. KRUEGER'S LAND.
AND THEN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS, IS THE SITE, UH, WITH THE STAR ON IT.
NOW, WHILE WE DO HAVE A FEW NEIGHBORS, JUST NOTE WE'RE IN A VERY INDUSTRIAL CORRIDOR THAT THE CITY THOUGHTFULLY CALLED OUT AS A MEGA SITE LONG TIME AGO, UM, AND HAVE ENTERTAINED MORE SIMILAR USES TO THE SEMICONDUCTOR FAB THAT I WOULD SAY IS A MUCH HEAVIER USE THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE, UM, IN THE PAST.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE BELIEVE DATA CENTER AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IS A MUCH LIGHTER USE THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED FOR THE MEGA SITE, UM, RELATIVE TO HOW IT'S GONNA IMPACT RESIDENTS.
UM, IT ALSO HAS A TREMENDOUS POTENTIAL UPSIDE TAX BENEFIT TO THE CITY THROUGH REAL PROPERTY AND BUSINESS, PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES.
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UM, AND I THINK THIS SITE WON'T BE ELIGIBLE FOR STATE INCENTIVES UNTIL AFTER THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION.I'D BE VERY SURPRISED IF STATE INCENTIVES ARE STILL AROUND AFTER THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION,
UM, BUT, UH, UH, I GUESS THE, THE POINT IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.
UM, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT OFF 79 AND IF YOU KEEP SCROLLING DOWN, UM, THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW.
AGAIN, I THINK THIS TOUCHES ON WHAT WE ALREADY TOUCHED ON.
WE, THE CITY WAS OUR FIRST SITE WAS NOT ANNEXED INTO THE CITY.
WE ANNEXED IT IN, WENT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROCESS.
THIS IS ALREADY EXISTING ZONED LAND, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE REQUESTING THE PUD.
UM, AND THE GOAL IS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL OF THE FIBER AND ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED IN THIS AREA WITHOUT NEED A WHOLE LOT MORE.
THERE WILL NEED TO BE, UM, SOME TRANSMISSION BETWEEN THAT SWITCH TO OUR SITE, UM, THAT WILL LIKELY GO OVER MR. KRUGER'S PROPERTY, BUT HOW THAT EXACTLY WORKS, TBD.
UM, BUT, UH, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S A LOT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING ACROSS ONE ADJACENT PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO BUILDING THIS TWO MILES AWAY AND NEEDING A LOT MORE TRANSMISSION.
WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, OF THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
IF HE KEEPS SCROLLING DOWN, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT, COULD, THIS COULD CHANGE A ZILLION TIMES OVER.
SO I DON'T WANNA REPRESENT THAT THIS IS EXACTLY HOW WE WOULD LAY IT OUT.
BUT IF WE HAD 300 MEGAWATTS TODAY, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD BUILD.
SO TWO DATA CENTERS SIDE BY SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE MECHANICAL AND ELECTRICAL YARDS, UH, ADJACENT TO TWO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES WITH DETENTION PONDS AND ONE PRIVATE 300 MEGAWATT SUBSTATION.
THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PUD AND THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL STANDARDS.
SO WE HAVE ASKED FOR, UM, FRONT YARD SETBACKS, UH, BUILDING HEIGHT, UH, LANDSCAPED AREA TO CHANGE AND, UH, PERIMETER FENCING HEIGHT TO BE HIGHER THAN WHAT'S TYPICAL IN LI.
WE'VE ALSO ADDED, UH, FURTHER SETBACK FOR RESIDENTIAL AND ADDED FAR AND INDUSTRIAL PARKING RATIO, WHICH DIDN'T EXIST IN THE, IN THE, UH, EXISTING ZONING.
THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE BENEFITS, UM, LOGISTICS FACILITIES.
SO THIS IS MORE SPEAKING TO THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
UM, THIS IS EVERYTHING FROM STOCKING THE FOOD THAT YOU FIND AT YOUR GROCERY STORES TO, UM, MEDICINE HOUSEHOLD PRODUCTS.
UH, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES.
UH, IT GENERATES A TON OF TAX REVENUE.
LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ALSO CREATES A LOT OF JOBS.
DATA CENTERS CREATE FEWER PERMANENT JOBS.
WE ARE ANTICIPATING ABOUT 130 JOBS PER BUILDING NOW.
WE, I THINK WHEN WE DID THIS ORIGINAL PITCH IN 21, IT WAS 30
UH, THE AMOUNT OF COMPUTE GOING TO THESE BUILDINGS HAS GROWN.
AND SO THE AMOUNT OF TECHNICIANS ACTUALLY SITTING IN THOSE FACILITIES HAS GROWN.
UM, UH, WE USED TO ASK FOR ACTUALLY A DECREASE IN PARKING, AND NOW WE'RE BACK TO NEEDING A LITTLE MORE PARKING THAN WE THOUGHT
BUT, UH, BUT INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES, INCLUDING DATA CENTERS AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, HAVE A TREMENDOUS ECONOMIC IMPACT.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, SITTING AT JACK ALLEN'S KITCHEN TONIGHT, WHICH DIDN'T EXIST OTHER THAN THIS BUILDING, THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT AROUND HERE.
AND IT'S BEEN PRETTY REMARKABLE TO SEE THE GROWTH, UM, THAT'S HAPPENING.
THIS WILL ONLY CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT GROWTH.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS JUST A BUNCH OF EXAMPLES OF THE KIND OF ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT, THAT CITIES CAN HAVE, BUT IT ENDS UP OFTEN BEING PER DOLLAR SPENT.
UM, UH, USUALLY IT'S $25 BACK IN REVENUE.
THAT'S KIND OF THE AVERAGE, UH, THE AVERAGE RETURN, UH, AS IT RELATES TO LIKE, NOT NECESSARILY TAX REVENUE, BUT THE CIVIC SERVICES THAT THE CITY IS PROVIDING.
SO US USING YOUR ROADS, SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, FOR EVERY DOLLAR OF CITY DOLLARS THAT ARE GOING TOWARDS OUR EMPLOYEES, OUR BUILDINGS, YOU'RE TYPICALLY GETTING $25 IN TAX RETURN BACK ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE LAST ONE, I THINK YOU'RE OKAY.
IF YOU HAVE A PHONE, YOU USE DATA CENTERS EVERY DAY.
UH, IF WE'RE STREAMING THIS, WE'RE USING DATA CENTERS RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN ON A ZOOM, IF YOU MADE A PHONE CALL, IF YOU SEND AN EMAIL, IF YOU HAVE A CAR THAT HAS, UH, ANY KIND OF INTERCONNECTION TO THE INTERNET OR USES MAPS, EVERYTHING WE DO EVERY DAY USES, UH, A DATA CENTER EVERY TIME YOU TOUCH THE INTERNET, USUALLY THOUSANDS OF TIMES PER DAY.
UM, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, UM, THESE ARE JUST A BUNCH OF EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE HERE IN HUDU.
WE'VE BEEN PARTNERED, UM, WITH TSTC, WITH, UM, THE HUDU POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE'VE HELPED FUND THE DRONE PROGRAM HERE.
UM, WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY, UH, WITH THE CHAMBER.
UH, WE'VE GOT A MEMBER ON THE CHAMBER BOARD HERE IN HUDU AND CONTINUE TO PARTNER EVERYWHERE WE CAN.
UM, WE'RE DOING TWO NEW INITIATIVES RIGHT NOW, UH, WITH DIFFERENT ENTITIES IN HUDU.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO GIVE BACK AND TO PARTICIPATE IN THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S ONLY GONNA GROW AS OUR EMPLOYMENT BASE STARTS.
OUR FIRST PERMANENT EMPLOYEES AND HUDU ARE JUST STARTING, UH, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS AS THIS FACILITY TURNS ON THIS MONTH, ACTUALLY, HUDDLE ONE, THE FIRST PHASE GOES LIVE, UH, UH, HERE IN SEPTEMBER.
SO, UM, WE'LL HAVE ABOUT A HUNDRED EMPLOYEES IN THAT BUILDING.
UM, AND THEY'RE STARTING TO GET VERY INVOLVED, MANY OF THEM LOCAL, UH, A A LARGE QUANTITY OF THEM, UH, LOCAL HERE TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, CAN WE SCROLL BACK UP, UH, TO THE TABLE OF
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DIFFERENCES? THERE WE GO.UM, LOOKING AT THIS, YOU'VE GOT A BUILDING HEIGHT MAX OF 85 FEET WITH NO OVERALL CAP, WHICH IS VERY CONCERNING TO ME BECAUSE YOU CAN TECHNICALLY PUT IN A 60 STORY BUILDING ACCORDING NO, YEAH, THAT'S A, IT'S A BIT OF A TYPO.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS OVER THE PLENUM OF THE BUILDING, WE MAY HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SITS ON TOP OF IT.
SO IF YOU DRIVE PAST TODAY, YOU CAN SEE SOME EXHAUST, UH, IT'S EXHAUST DUCTS TO MAKE SURE THAT EXHAUST FROM THE DIESELS ARE DISPERSED HIGHER IN THE AIR.
SO IT DOESN'T SMOG UP THE IMMEDIATE AREA AROUND US WHEN THEY'RE RUNNING.
UM, AGAIN, THEY ONLY, THOSE ARE DIESEL GENERATORS DIFFERENT THAN NATURAL GAS, WHICH WE WOULD BE USING HERE.
UM, AND THAT, UH, THAT IS USED FOR REDUNDANCY ONLY, SO THAT'S ONLY WHEN THE POWER'S OUT.
THOSE AREN'T USED FOR, ROADS AREN'T RUNNING ALL THE TIME.
UM, THAT'S THE KIND OF EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ABOVE 85 FEET.
UM, BUT I THINK THE, UH, 85 FOOT, IT WOULD BE TO THE CEILING OF THE BUILDING.
LIKE THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE CAPPED THERE.
BUT IT SAYS NO OVERALL CA I, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS ON THE CODE.
GOT A QUESTION ON THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
WHAT KIND OF ENERGY ARE YOU USING ON, ON THOSE? WHAT KIND OF POWER SOURCE DO THEY GOT? IT'S INTERCONNECTED INTO THE GRID.
SO, SO THOSE ALREADY HAVE, JUST LIKE WHEN YOU BUY ELECTRICITY FOR YOUR HOUSE AND YOU CAN BUY A RENEWABLE CONTRACT OR YOU CAN BUY A NON-RENEWABLE CONTRACT.
THE TENANTS IN OUR BUILDINGS HAVE THE EXACT SAME CHOICE.
SO THEY GET TO GO TO THE RETAIL PROVIDER OF THEIR CHOICE.
THEY CAN BUY RENEWABLE, NON-RENEWABLE.
UM, BUT IT'S ALL GRID INTERCONNECTED.
SO THE REALITY IS LIKE THE ELECTRONS ARE THE SAME ELECTRONS ON THE TRANSMISSION LINE.
WHERE THAT GETS SUBSIDIZED DOWN THE CHAIN FROM A GENERATION PERSPECTIVE IS ENTIRELY UP TO THE, THE TENANT.
SO RICK, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE BUILDING HEIGHT, THE WAY THE CODE READS IS THAT, UM, THE NO HEIGHT LIMITATION IS FOR THE HIGHEST OCCUPIED FLOOR.
SO NO OCCUP OCCUPY SPACE WOULD BE ABLE TO BE HIGHER THAN THAT 85 FEET.
SO THAT'S WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEN THE NO, NO OVERALL CAP WOULD APPLY TO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, SMOKE STACKS, UH, ANY SORT OF, UH, TRANSMISSION TOWERS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT NEEDED TO BE INSTALLED ON IT.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE OVERALL CAP.
IT'S THE OCCUPIED SPACE THAT HAS THE CAP OF 85 FEET.
AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO NO, THAT WAS, THAT WAS A TYPE OF, WE ACTUALLY, WE TRIED TO FIX THAT BEFORE IT CAME IN AND I, I MISSED THE WINDOW.
IS THERE ANY, UH, CURRENT COMPLAINTS WITH THE CURRENT SKYBOX AT THE MOMENT? WE'VE HAD ONE, WELL, I SAID WE'VE HAD TWO COMPLAINTS OVER THE LAST, CALL IT 60 DAYS.
SO YES, WE HAVE HAD A FEW COMPLAINTS.
TRAFFIC HAS BEEN A BIG ONE, PARTICULARLY AT THE 1 32 79, UM, UH, UH, INTERSECTION.
UM, WE ARE IN, WE'RE INSTALLING A LIGHT THERE, UH, TEXT WITH THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY 1 32 IMPROVEMENTS.
THERE WILL BE A, A SIGNAL PUT THERE.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR FOUR YEARS.
WE, WE ALSO, UH, WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE A STOPLIGHT THERE,
UM, THE ROAD'S GONNA BE WIDENED, 1 32 IS GONNA BE WIDENED.
WE'RE HELPING PROVIDE, WE PROVIDED A LOT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
MOST OF THE RIGHT OF WAY HAPPENING ON THE, UH, EAST WEST 1 32 IS ON OUR PROPERTY, SO IT'S NOT, THERE'S VERY LITTLE ACTUALLY GOING TO THE SOUTHERN NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
WE GAVE UP OUR OWN PROPERTY TO MAKE THAT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE.
UM, BUT TRAFFIC HAS BEEN THE MAIN ISSUE.
UM, WE'VE HAD SOME COMPLAINTS, UM, UH, PRIMARILY AROUND TRAFFIC AND JUST, WE, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CONTRACTORS, PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY WERE PUTTING IN THE ATMO GAS LINE THAT WERE JUST PARKING ALONG, UH, ADJACENT PROPERTY.
AND WE, WE'VE SOLVED THOSE THINGS, BUT WE'VE BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN ADDRESSING THAT.
WE HAVE AN EMAIL ADDRESS AND A PHONE NUMBER, UM, THAT WE PROVIDED TO EVERY NEIGHBOR.
AND, UM, SO FAR, MAYOR MIKE AND I ARE ON A TEXT AND ANYTIME HE GETS A TEXT, I GET A TEXT.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY FAST AT RESPONDING TO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
THEY'LL GET THE SAME PD RESPONSE THAT ANYBODY ELSE WITHIN OUR CORPORATE LIMITS WOULD RECEIVE.
HOW ABOUT DOWN AT THE FAR END? ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, COMMENTS? NO COMMENTS.
THAT ANSWERED A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS.
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IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? NO, SORRY, GETTING MY PAPERWORK ORGANIZED HERE.AND, UH, WITH THAT, I WILL, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 6.4.
I'LL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE 6.4 SECOND.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DELAY AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DA.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? NO.
THAT BEING SAID, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE ON ITEM 6.4 TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.
MR. CHAIR, CAN YOU TELL ME WHO'S DISSENT AND, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MYSELF AND VICE CHAIR WARZ.
HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, OR IS THAT IT DOES, IT DOES.
UH, 6.5 CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON WEST LIVE OAK RETAIL CASE NUMBER ZON DASH 26 DASH 0 0 0 3.
AN APPLICATION BY AMANDA BROWN, REPRESENTATIVE ON BEHALF OF WCD ED SCHMIDT, LLC OWNERS, TO AMEND THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF A HUD ZONING FOR 4.937 ACRE PARCEL OF LAND.
ONE SECOND WHILE I CATCH BACK UP TO THE SLIDE.
UH, MANNY HERNANDEZ FOR THE RECORD, UH, ONCE AGAIN, YOU GUYS HAVE A LOCATION MAP.
THIS IS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF FUTURE WEST LIVE OAK EXTENSION AND EDGE SCHMIDT BOULEVARD, UH, ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHAT I BELIEVE IS TOWN PLACE SUITES, UH, HOTEL, UH, UP THERE ON EDGE SCHMIDT, UM, AND JUST DIRECTLY NORTH OF THE HU UNITED METHODIST CHURCH.
UM, SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROPERTY.
UM, THERE IS CURRENTLY A METAL BUILDING AND, UH, A TREE GROVE ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONSISTS OF ABOUT ALMOST FIVE ACRES, 4.97 ACRES, UM, AS STATED ON EDGE SCHMIDT CR ONE 19 NORTH OF HURO DISCOVERY METHODIST CHURCH.
UM, SO FORMERLY THIS WAS PART OF THE SCHMID SCHMITZ CREEK, PUD, UM, AND WE ALSO GOT TO SEE THIS ONE TIME AS, UM, WOLF CAMP PUD, WHICH ENDED UP NOT, UM, UM, GETTING LIKE AN ORDINANCE OR BEING FINALIZED.
UM, BUT SCHMIDT CREEK BACK IN 2021 WAS THE LAST TIME WE SAW IT.
UM, UH, IT ESTABLISHED, UM, B ONE COMMERCIAL ZONING ALONG THE FRONTAGE THERE OF EDGE SCHMIDT AND, UH, FUTURE WEST LIVE OAK, AND, AND ENTITLED MOST OF THE PROPERTY FOR, UM, MULTI-FAMILY, A DIVERSE TYPE OF LIKE CONDOS, UH, RENT TO OWN AND, UM, I MEAN, UH, RENT RENTAL HOMES, UM, ON, ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, BUT WHAT WE SEE TODAY, UM, THE, THE TOP HALF IS GRAYED OUT.
WELL, REALLY THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS THE, THAT BOTTOM PARCEL.
AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO INTENSIFY IT JUST A LITTLE BIT TO THAT B TWO ZONING, UM, WITH THE HOPES OF ATTRACTING A GROCERY STORE.
UM, BUT SO, LIKE I STATED, THIS WILL ONLY APPLY TO THE LOT SOUTH OF THE FUTURE WEST LIVE OAK EXTENSION.
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UH, THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE B TWO PORTION TO, UM, FACILITATE THE, UH, LANDING, UH, GROCERY STORE TENANT, UH, WHICH WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN FEASIBLE UNDER THE FORMER, UH, PUD.BUT THERE ARE PROVISIONS WITHIN THE PUD THAT PROTECT THAT TRIGGER OF, THAT I DISCUSSED EARLIER ON THE PROPERTY, UM, IF THE TENANT IS NOT, UM, SECURED.
SO ESSENTIALLY WE ONLY LOSE THAT IF THE USE OF GROCERY ISN'T, UM, IN PLACE.
I HATE TO INTERRUPT, BUT CAN, CAN WE SIMPLIFY THIS SO IF THERE IS TENANT, THE TREES GO AWAY, IF THERE IS NOT A GROCERY TENANT, THE TREES STAY.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? THAT'S HOW THE PUD READS AND THE APPLICANT IS IN THE ROOM.
IS THAT, WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT? I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT IT SEEMED A LITTLE FUZZY WITH HOW IT WAS WORDED.
AND I'VE GOT AN ENGLISH DEGREE,
SO THIS WAS REVIEWED, UM, TO THE CRITERIA, UM, IN THE UDC.
SO THE UDC ESTABLISHES THE CRITERIA THAT A PUD HAS TO BE, UH, REVIEWED AGAINST.
UM, WE ALSO CHECKED WITH THE SOAR 2040 AND, YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT THE SURROUNDING USES.
UM, SO WE ARE AWARE THAT A GROCERY STORE USE IS HIGHLY DESIRABLE IN A MORE CENTRAL LOCATION NORTH OF 79.
SO, UM, WE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE TREE GROOVE REMOVAL DOES POSE SOME, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
UH, YOU KNOW, NA YOU HAVE NATURAL EROSION CONTROL WITH THE TREE GROVE.
YOU HAVE A HABITAT, YOU HAVE, UH, THE SLOWING OF, UH, RAIN WATER FLOW.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE SITE WILL BE BROUGHT UP TO CODE IF IT WERE TO DEVELOP.
IT WILL HAVE NEW TREES, IT WILL HAVE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, UM, SO IT WON'T BE, IT WON'T BE BARREN, UM, AND VOID OF ALL TREES.
UM, SO THE, THE FORMER PUD ALREADY DID TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, THAT MULTIFAMILY OWNED THAT LOT.
UM, STAFF FINDS THAT THIS, THIS, UM, THIS ZONING WOULD NOT PLACE A GREAT BURDEN ON THE CITY REGARDING INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, OR TRAFFIC, UH, WHEN COMPARED TO THOSE MULTIFAMILY UNITS THAT WERE, UM, PREVIOUSLY ZONED THERE.
AND, UM, BASED ON THESE FINDINGS, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS, THIS PUD AND, UH, STATED THE APPLICANT IS THE ROOM.
THEY ALSO DO HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS.
UM, SO I'LL GET THAT PULLED UP UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE ASK TO ASK BEFORE I PULL THAT UP FOR Y'ALL.
UH, ACTUALLY LET'S DO THE PRESENTATION AND THEN I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MY NAME IS AMANDA BROWN WITH HD BROWN CONSULTING, UM, IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING WITH A PUD AMENDMENT.
I'LL TRY NOT TO REPEAT EVERYTHING MANNY JUST DID.
UM, AS MANNY STATED, IT'S ON THE, UH, SOUTHEAST CORNER OF ED SCHMIDT IN THE FUTURE LIVE OAK BOULEVARD.
UM, YOU CAN KIND OF, YEAH, WE CAN GO THERE.
SO, AS MANNY HAD STATED, THIS IS, THIS WAS ZONED A P MAYBE FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO FOR A BUILD FOR RENT MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.
UM, SINCE THEN, THIS PARCEL HAS BEEN SOLD, UM, AND HAS NOW BEEN CONTEMPLATED FOR COMMERCIAL, UM, FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, INCLUDING A GROCERY STORE.
SO THE REQUEST THIS EVENING, UM, IS TO AMEND THE EXISTING PUD.
SO THE PROPOSED ZONING IS, UH, STILL A PUD.
UM, IT'S WITH A BASE ZONING OF B TWO TO, UM, ALLOW FOR, UM, A COMMERCIAL RETAIL DEVELOPMENT.
ANOTHER THING THIS PUD DOES IS A PUT AMENDMENT DOES SORT OF SEPARATE THIS PARCEL OUT FROM THE OVERALL GREATER P UM, THERE'S TWO DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, ONE OF WHICH MOST IMPORTANTLY IS A POTENTIAL MID-SIZE GROCERY STORE.
THE, UM, THE SECOND PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IN CASE THE GROCERY STORE DOES NOT HAPPEN WOULD BE A NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL CENTER.
SO THESE ARE SOME CONCEPTUALS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.
SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TREES.
SO WHEN WE ORIGINALLY, UM, DID THE ORIGINAL P UM, THE TREE GROVE WAS INTENDED TO BE PRESERVED IN AMENITIZED AS AMENITY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
UM, WE THEN SUBMITTED THIS PUT AND KIND OF WANTED TO MAINTAIN THAT TREE GROVE.
UM, SO, AND ONLY IN THE INSTANCE IF THERE IS A GROCERY STORE, WOULD WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY WITH THOSE TREES.
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SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO TAKE THEM ALL DOWN.UM, BUT, BUT NEED FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO DESIGN THE GROCERY STORE.
UM, AND AS MANNY MENTIONED, ALL OF THE TREE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CITY CODE WILL BE REQUIRED.
SO IT WILL BE WELL PLANTED, UM, UH, AND, AND SCREENING AND WE'LL HAVE, HAVE LOTS OF TREES AND, AND MORE THAN LIKELY SOME, SOME OF THOSE WILL ALSO BE PRESERVED.
UM, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
UM, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND WE DID RECEIVE ONE, UH, RESPONSE FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, IN FAVOR.
SO SINCE THIS IS PUBLIC HEARING, I WILL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:36 PM AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.
AND I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:36 PM AND OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION.
IF A GROCERY STORE GOES IN THERE AND YOU, IT SOUND KIND OF SOUNDED TO ME THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA TAKE OUT QUITE A, ALMOST ALL OF THE TREES.
THE SITE HAS NOT BEEN DESIGNED YET, SO THAT'S NOT THE INTENT TO TAKE THEM A WHILE.
THERE'S SOME GOOD SIZED TREES THAT'S IN THERE.
I BELIEVE THE, UH, UDC SAYS YOU HAVE TO REPLACE IT WITH THREE INCH CALIBER TREES.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO INCREASE THOSE SIZE OF THOSE TREES OF THE CALIBER INCHES? YES.
UM, I THINK WE COULD DEFINITELY CONSIDER IT.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE THREE INCH CALIBER IS A STANDARD ACROSS MOST CITIES IN CENTRAL TEXAS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT'S THE SAFEST, HEALTHIEST CALIBER INCH FOR THE TREE TO SURVIVE.
UM, AND, UH, BUT IF, IF THAT WAS IMPOSED AS A CONDITION WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT AND THEN REVISIT IT WHEN WE GET TO COUNCIL.
UM, BUT I CAN'T ANSWER THAT FOR SURE RIGHT.
WOULD YOU, DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC CALIBER INCH THAT WOULD BE YOUR PREFERENCE? WELL, I JUST, I JUST THINK IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA TAKE OUT TREES THAT ARE THIS BIG MM-HMM
AND YOU'RE GONNA PUT A TREE THIS BIG IN, WE LOSE OUT, THE CITY LOSES OUT ON THAT.
UH, I THINK THE DEVELOPER SHOULD BE WILLING TO PUT IN MUCH LARGER TREES.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO PUT IN AS MANY TREES AS THEY TAKE OUT.
SO, I MEAN, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, OF SAYING I WOULD, I COULD PROBABLY APPROVE THIS WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING THAT THE TREES HAVE TO BE LARGER THAN THREE INCH CALIBER.
THEY HAVE TO BE QUITE A BIT BIGGER, IN MY OPINION.
YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT.
I, I, I, I DON'T, I'D HAVE TO CHECK, BUT IF, IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, MOTION THAT INCLUDED A CONDITION TO INCREASE THE CALIBER INCH OF THE REPLACEMENT TREES OF THOSE IN THE, THAT GROVE.
I, I MEAN, MANNY, WHAT DO YOU THINK? YES.
YEAH, THERE, THERE'S TWO THINGS GOING ON HERE.
SO THE CODE ALREADY CALLS OUT A COUPLE DIFFERENT PATHS FOR ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE.
UM, SOME OF THEM I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE LESS DESIRABLE, AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD TERM AS A FEE IN LIEU OF PERFORMANCE WHERE THEY JUST PAY INTO A FUND MM-HMM
AND THEN THE CITY CAN SPEND THAT TOWARDS TREES.
BUT THERE'S ANOTHER ONE WHERE THEY CAN RECOMPENSE THE LOST CALIPER INCHES BY PLANTING TREES ELSEWHERE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.
SO YOU COULD LOOK AT INCREASING THE SIZE OF THE TREES, BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE AS AN ARBORIST AND WORKING IN THE GREEN INDUSTRY, UM, I, I, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE, THE LARGER THE TREE GETS, THE LESS IT'S LIKELIHOOD FOR SURVIVABILITY.
UM, I THINK THE, THE WAY TO WIN IN YOUR, YOUR USAGE THERE, AS FAR AS THE CITY LOSING THE WAY FOR THE CITY TO WIN WOULD BE TO GET MORE TREES AND PERHAPS EVEN IN MORE AREAS.
UM, THERE IS A ROADWAY EXTENSION THAT'S COMING THROUGH HERE, WHICH OSTENSIBLY WILL HAVE A SIDEWALK ON IT.
UM, BE NICE IF THAT WAS A TREE LINED SIDEWALK SO PEOPLE COULD ACTUALLY WALK EVEN IN THE SUNNIER TIMES OF THE YEAR.
UM, SO WE CAN, WE CAN WORK ON ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE, UM, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE WITHOUT NECESSARILY TRYING TO PUT BACK THE, THE CALIPER INCHES ON THE SITE ITSELF.
BECAUSE THE RATE AT WHICH WE APPLY TREES RIGHT NOW, UM, REALLY IS SUSTAINABLE.
UH, AND I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN IT AND I'VE SEEN IT, I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE MOST RECENT PROJECTS WE HAVE, AND THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY JUST, UH, CAKED WITH TREES.
THEY'LL NEVER REACH THEIR MATURE HABIT AND SIZE BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY OF THEM.
SO, UM, I I THINK IT'S KIND OF EARLY RIGHT NOW TO REQUIRE THAT.
UM, BUT IF THERE, IF THERE IS A RECOMPENSE REQUIREMENT, PROBABLY WANT TO GO WITH THE VOLUME OF TREES RATHER THAN THE INDIVIDUAL SIZE OF A, OF, OF A LOWER NUMBER OF TREES.
'CAUSE ULTIMATELY THE LONG GAME IS THAT WE GET MORE TREES AND THEY'LL EVENTUALLY BE AS LARGE AS WHAT WAS LOST.
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OKAY.AND I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU ON ON THAT, BUT AS AN EXAMPLE, EVERYTHING NORTH OF THERE IS FARMLAND AND HAS BEEN FARMLAND FOR A WHILE, AT LEAST SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
THE TREES ARE HABITAT FOR, ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MAKE THIS FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE COUNTRY, RED SHOULDER HAWKS, ET CETERA.
IT'S NOT A BUNCH OF SMALL TREES THAT NOTHING'S NESTING IN.
NOTHING IS LIVING IN, AND IT'S GOING TO BE YEARS IF WE PLANT TWO OR THREE INCH CALIPER TREES BEFORE ANY OF THAT HABITAT IS RESTORED, WHEREVER THOSE ARE PLANTED.
NOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SITTING HERE TRYING TO BE, YOU KNOW, MIS MR. GREEN THUMB
BUT THE REALITY IS, ONCE THOSE KIND OF THINGS ARE GONE, THEY DON'T COME BACK.
IF WE, IF WE DESTROY THE, THE WETLANDS WHERE THE EGRETS AND, AND CRANES ARE NESTING ALONG BRUSHY CREEK, THEY'RE NOT COMING BACK.
AND THAT IMPACTS EVERYTHING IN THE FUTURE REGARDING THE FEEL OF HURO.
I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO RETAIN AS MANY OF THOSE OLD GROWTH TREES AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE SURVIVED, THEY'VE SURVIVED DROUGHTS AND FLOODS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK THEY'RE PROBABLY GOOD.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA LOSE, LOSE ALL OF 'EM IN ONE, IN ONE, UH, SEASON.
AND, AND THEY ADD TO THE SMALL TOWN CHARACTER OF HUDU YEAH.
WE'RE NOT BRAND NEW, NO TREES, OVER 25 FEET TYPE DEVELOPMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN KEEP OUR OLD GROWTH TREES HIGHLY, HIGHLY, HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE THAN JUST SHADE.
IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD THAT, SOME TREES HAVE TO BE SACRIFICED.
I, I'VE THOROUGHLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT I ALSO LIKE COMM COMMISSIONER, WELL, RICK, UM,
WE NEED TO SAVE AS MANY AS WE CAN AND, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, YEAH.
AND I JUST, IT'S A SHAME TO SEE BIG TREES LIKE THAT BE TORN DOWN.
AND, AND WHAT I WOULD BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN, AND I, I WOULD DEFINITELY NEED SOME SORT OF ARBORIST GREEN EXPERT TO WEIGH IN ON THIS.
UM, BUT IS IF WE COULD SAY, HEY, FOR EVERY, FOR EVERY GO OUT THERE AND MEASURE THE CALIPER OF THE TREES, AND IF THE NUMBER OF, IF THE CALIPER INCHES MATCH WHAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED, THEN THERE'S YOUR CREDIT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT IF WE REQUIRE, IF THERE'S 400 CPER INCHES ON THE SITE AND THEY RETAIN ALL 400 CPER INCHES, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PLANT ANOTHER TREE.
IF THEY, IF THEY TAKE DOWN A HUNDRED CPER INCHES, WELL AT TWO AND A HALF, THEY NEED TO PUT, THEY NEED TO PUT 40 TREE OR YEAH, 40 TREES UP.
THE QUESTION BECOMES THOUGH, DO YOU WANT ALL OF THEM ON THAT SITE, OR COULD THEY BE USED ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY WHERE WE DO HAVE A NEED FOR CANOPY COVERAGE? WELL, I, I DEFINITELY LIKE THE, THE CONCEPT OF TYING IT IN.
SO LET'S SAY WE KEEP THESE, THIS OLD GROVE AND WE ONLY LOSE A QUARTER OF IT TO THE SITE DESIGN AND SO ON.
THEN THE REMAINDER, AS YOU SAID, HAVING TREE LINED SIDEWALKS LEADING TO OLD GROWTH TREES FEELS VERY PROPER IN MY MIND.
LIKE, OH, I'M WALKING DOWN A TREELINE STREET AND HERE ARE THESE OLD CON, HERE'S THIS OLD CON GROVE.
TO ME, THAT SOUNDS VERY APPEALING AS A PEDESTRIAN, OR EVEN AS DRIVING INTO THE AREA AND DOING MY SHOPPING.
IT'S NOT A GIANT PARKING LOT WITH NO COVER OR, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME RAGGEDY TREES IN IT.
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MORE ESTABLISHED, FEELS MORE HEAD.SO, I MEAN, LIKE HOWARD WAS SAYING, I, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE OF WHEN HE SAID, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SPREADING IT OUT, WE'RE IN PLACES THAT WE DO NEED MM-HMM
I MEAN, THE CITY'S GROWING JUST SO RAPIDLY THAT SOMETIMES WE OVERLOOK, YOU KNOW, PLACES THAT, THAT NEED IT.
AND, UM, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT ON THAT ASPECT.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MID-SIZE RIGHT.
GROCERY STORE, HOW BIG IS MID-SIZE? LIKE, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WOULD IT BE SIMILAR SQUARE FOOTAGE OF, OF THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU HAVE THERE ALL PUT TOGETHER? OR ARE YOU TALKING A LITTLE BIT SCALING A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN, THAN, THAN WHAT IT IS? IT'LL BE BETWEEN 15,000 AND 20,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO IT'D BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN, THAN THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU HAD LAID OUT AROUND THE THE GREEN AREA.
IT'LL BE ONE LARGER BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO SEVERAL BUILD SMALLER BUILDINGS.
AND I ASSUME THE MIDDLE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON THERE WOULD GO CORRECT.
WE DID THAT ONCE BEFORE
I, I DON'T LIKE HOW THAT TURNED OUT, BUT THAT'S JUST ME.
I THINK, I THINK, UM, PRESERVING THE CHARACTER AND HERITAGE OF THESE TREES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IS THE GOAL HERE.
UM, I THINK IF THERE ARE, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE HAVE SOME REPLACEMENT AND I, I WOULD AGREE THAT WE WOULD HOPEFULLY PUT IT IN A DIFFERENT PUBLIC SPACE SO WE CAN ENJOY THAT.
UM, BUT YEAH, I'M THE, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO AS FAR AS PUTTING IT IN A DIFFERENT PUBLIC SPACE OR PUTTING IT ON THIS PROPERTY? I THINK THAT'S THE TWO YOU MENTIONED, CORRECT.
AND, AND I, I HONESTLY THINK THAT IT DEPENDS ON THE SITE PLAN BASED ON THE TENANT.
IS IT, IS IT A, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL OR IS IT A GROCERY STORE? AND THAT'S GOING TO KIND OF DICTATE HOW WE, UH, HOW WE DISTRIBUTE ANY ADDITIONAL TREES.
SO THE TWO OPTIONS SHE PRESENTED WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL AND THE GROCERY STORE.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL SEES NO LOSS OF TREES.
SEES THE PRESERVATION OF ALL TREES.
SO MAYBE LIKE ADDING A CONDITION THAT UNDER THE GROCERY STORE, OR YOU'D WANT TO SEE SOMETHING FOR EVERY TREE REMOVED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND A AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON ARE THESE ON SITE OR OFFSITE? I DON'T KNOW.
NOT SEEING THE GROCERY STORE SITE PLAN.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD SAY, OH YEAH, WE WANT PUT, YOU KNOW, 20, UH, TWO AND A HALF, THREE INCH CALIPERS ALONG LIVE OAK OR NOT.
I, I JUST DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT.
SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE ANY TREES LOST ARE THEN, UH, WE, THE REPLACEMENT WILL BE COORDINATED WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR PLACEMENT OF THOSE TREES, WHETHER IT BE ONSITE OR, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY, ALL RIGHT, HERE'S $500 FOR THIS TREE AND WE CAN GO PLANT IT OUT FRONT HERE.
BUT THAT'S UP TO PARKS, NOT US, TO DECIDE WHERE THESE TREES GET PLACED IF THEY'RE PLACED OFFSITE.
NOW, IS THERE ANY STIPULATION IN YOUR, UH, FOR, UH, UH, ARBORIST TO COME IN PRIOR TO ALL ANY OF THIS TAKING PLACE? YES.
THAT'LL BE A REQUIREMENT SITE.
SO I WAS GONNA SAY THAT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT IF IT'S NOT MM-HMM
THAT'LL HELP COVER A LOT OF THAT.
DID HOWARD, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE AS FAR AS WE, WE GIVE 'EM KIND OF A, THEY OWE US TREES, BUT IT'S UP TO PARKS TO DETERMINE WHERE THEY GO.
DOES THAT MAKE MORE SENSE? IT, IT DOES.
THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, A CONSIDERATION THAT THEY PAY INTO A REFUND.
UM, AND THEN THE FUND IS THEN, YOU KNOW, DETERMINED IN THE SAME, I WON'T SAY THE SAME WAY, BUT IN A SIMILAR MANNER TO LIKE WHAT WE DO WITH CIP, WE HAVE A LIST OF NEEDS AND WE HAVE A LIST OF FUNDING, AND WE TRY AND MERGE THOSE TOGETHER TO MAKE THE BEST USE OF, YOU KNOW, BOTH CONDITIONS.
THAT SAME THING WOULD HAPPEN WHERE THEY WOULD PAY INTO A TREE FUND.
AND THEN I, I GUESS JEFF OVER AND, AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WOULD DETERMINE PUBLIC AREAS WHERE THERE'S A NEED FOR TREE CANOPY, YOU KNOW, AND I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, OH, WE LOST THIS TREE IN A ICE STORM, NOW WE CAN REPLACE IT.
PARKS WOULD KNOW THAT WE WOULDN'T, IS THERE A WAY TO PUT A, JUST SUGGESTING LIKE A LIMIT ON HOW MANY TREES ARE BEING REMOVED AND THEN COMING BACK IF IT GOES PAST IT? I, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD DEPEND, DEPEND ON THE DESIGN OF THE, OF THE STORE.
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A GROCERY STORE DESIGN, I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN KNOW FOR CERTAIN.AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO HANDCUFF THE DEVELOPER.
PERSONALLY, GROCERY STORE 5.0, KEEPING THE TREES 4.9.
BUT I THINK THE GROCERY STORE IS MORE IMPORTANT NORTH.
I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE A, WE, WE, WE DON'T KNOW THE DETAILED HEALTH OF ALL OF THESE TREES.
AND SO COMMITTING TO SOMETHING WOULD BE DIFFICULT IN CASE ONE OF THEM THAT MAKES SENSE IS A SAFETY HAZARD OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
YOU, IF ONE OF THEM'S GOTTA BE PULLED BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, DISEASED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU ONLY THING HOLDING IT UP IS THE BARK.
SO DO WE KNOW, I MEAN, WHEN, UM, UH, WHEN IT WOULD BE LIKE DETERMINED BETWEEN THE GROCERY STORE AND THE RETAIL RETAIL STORE? LIKE, WE ARE ACTIVELY PURSUING AND WORKING DILIGENTLY FOR THE GROCERY STORE.
SO WE WILL, WE WON'T KNOW THAT FOR, UM, SEVERAL MONTHS FOR SURE, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THINGS LINED UP FOR THAT TO BE ABLE TO HAPPEN.
AND THE FIRST STEP OF THAT IS THIS REZONING.
SO YOUR FIRST OPTION WOULD BE FOR THE GROCERY STORE? CORRECT.
AND FINAL QUESTION, WELL, MAYBE NOT FINAL QUESTION, BUT ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE GROCERY STORE.
UH, WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE, I'M GONNA SAY TYPICAL SMALL STORES, SO IT'S MORE LIKE A STRIP MALL, OR WOULD THIS JUST PURELY BE A GROCERY STORE AND THAT'S IT? JUST A GROCERY STORE.
THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY NEED FOR IT THERE.
WE'VE GOT FOUR IN NORTH OF IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.
I AM GOING TO, I'M GONNA ASK, UH, STAFF, WHAT DO YOU THINK ON, UH, WORDING THE TREE REPLACEMENT CONCEPT THAT WE'VE GOT? HOW, SO ARE YOU GUYS LEANING TOWARDS THE PARKS FUND? THE, LIKE, UH, DEDICATING MONEY FOR EACH TREE LOST? IS THAT WHERE YOU'RE LEANING TO RIGHT NOW? I'M, I'M THINKING THAT'S PROBABLY THE WAY TO GO.
AND THEN PARKS CAN GO OUT AND PUT TREES WHERE THEY NEED TO BE PUT.
UM, HOW DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD WORD THAT FIRST? THAT ALREADY COVERED BY OUR, THE, THE THING, THE THING IS THAT, DO WE HAVE, UM, FOR A TREE THAT SIZE, IS IT SET IN STONE OR ANY HOW MUCH THAT TREE IS WORTH? I MEAN, ARE WE TALKING IF THEY CUT DOWN A TREE THAT'S 18 CALIBER, 18 CALIBER THIS BIG, IS THAT $500? IS IT A THOUSAND DOLLARS? IS IT $1,500? DO DO WE, DO WE KNOW THAT OR OR IS IT JUST WHATEVER? WELL, I THINK, I THINK WE DID SOMETHING ALONG THIS LINE, UH, A FEW YEARS.
WE DID A FEW YEARS BACK WHERE WE SAID, YOU'RE GONNA MATCH CALIPER INCHES, NOT COST.
SO IF YOU TAKE DOWN 20 CPER INCHES, THEN YOU'VE GOTTA REPLACE 20 CALIBER INCHES.
BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY WILL BE SMALLER TREES.
BUT REPLACING A A 20 CALIBER TREE WITH A 20 CALIBER TREE IS NOT NO, NO.
REPLACING A 20 CALIBER TREE WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT.
BUT IF WE'RE GONNA TAKE DOWN, IF A 20 CALIBER, 20 INCH CALIBER TREE IS TAKEN DOWN, THEN THAT MEANS EIGHT TWO AND A HALF INCHES CALIPER TREES NEED TO BE PURCHASED, OR THAT MONEY NEEDS TO BE HANDED TO PARKS SO THEY CAN PURCHASE IT.
MY QUESTION IS, HOW MUCH IS THAT MONEY? HOW, HOW MUCH IS THAT? WE DON'T KNOW.
DO WE HAVE SOMETHING SET IN STONE? WE DO.
UM, SO THE PROCESS WOULD BE IF THERE WERE A LOSS OF CALIPER INCHES OF TREES, NOT NUMBER OF TREES, BUT CALIPER INCHES THAT ARE LOST, THERE WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT SET FOR HOW THE REPLACEMENT OF THOSE CALIPER INCHES DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ONE TO ONE.
EITHER YOU CAN MAKE IT ANY RATIO YOU WANT, AND THEN LET'S DECIDE THAT THE REPLACEMENT RATIO NEEDS TO BE EVEN NUMBER A HUNDRED INCHES.
WE NEED A HUNDRED CALIPER INCHES PUT BACK IN THE GROUND.
AND THEY SAY, WELL, RESPONSIBLY WE CAN GET ABOUT 30 OR 34 ON THE SITE ITSELF, BUT THAT MEANS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT 70 TO 66 INCHES ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY.
WE SAY, OKAY, WE CAN GO TO GROWERS
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AND GET THEIR PRICE SHEET AND FIND OUT WHAT THE MATERIAL COST IS FOR TREE UNITS.BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THE MARKETPLACE FLUCTUATES BY THE AMOUNT THAT ARE ALIVE AND AVAILABLE AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
SO THEY CAN GIVE US A SCHEDULE OF THE TREES THAT THEY WOULD PROPOSE TO INSTALL AND PRICES.
WE WOULD REVIEW THAT IN THE OFFICE AND CONFIRM OR DENY IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S VALID OR NOT.
AND AT THAT POINT, THAT'S THE DECISION THAT'S MADE ON THE FEE IN LIEU OF PERFORMANCE ON SITE ENDS UP WITH A CHECK THAT GOES TO THE TREE FUND THAT'S HELD BY THE CITY.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WHAT IS DONE WITH THAT IS USUALLY PRETTY NARROW.
IT HAS TO BE EITHER THE INSTALLATION OF TREES, THE MAINTENANCE OF TREES, OR YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ANCILLARY THAT'S RELATED LIKE MULCHING MM-HMM
OR, YOU KNOW, SOME SOMETHING THAT SITE PREP, THINGS LIKE THAT, FERTILIZER STUFF THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED BY, I MEAN, THE BEST THING TO DO WOULD, IT WOULD BE DETERMINED BY A NEXUS BETWEEN THE PROJECT AND WHAT'S AROUND THE PROJECT.
SO I WOULD RATHER SEE THEM PUT TREES IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROJECT THAT WOULD BE OF BENEFIT TO THE PERSONS WHO ARE MOST LIKELY TO VISIT THE PROJECT.
SO I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY PUT TREES ON 1660 SOUTH AS A FUNCTION OF A GROCERY STORE THAT GETS BUILT ON ED SCHMIDT.
THERE'S NO NEXUS BETWEEN THE TWO OF THOSE.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT A NEED, BUT THAT WOULD BE LOWER ON THE RESPONSE RATE TO ME OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT MAY NEED TO BE OR WANTED TO BE DONE.
BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE AFTER THE FACT.
THE CHALLENGE WITH ALL OF THIS IS THAT WE'RE SO FAR IN FRONT OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.
UM, THE, THE WAY THAT THIS WAS WORDED IS JUST ABOUT AS SPECIFIC AS YOU CAN GET.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ENTITLING A LAND USE TODAY MM-HMM
I MADE A LIVING FOR A LOT OF YEARS ON TAKING TREES DOWN AND PUTTING NEW ONES BACK IN THE GROUND BECAUSE OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO I HAVE THAT PERSPECTIVE ABOUT IT, BUT I, I DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S SENTIMENT.
UM, AND I, AND A LOT OF HAND WRINGING, HONESTLY, INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY ABOUT THE LOSS OF FLORA.
UM, I, I, I'M, I'M OF THE PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT A SITE SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRAINED IN ITS ABILITY TO BE USED BECAUSE OF TREES THAT ARE EXISTING ON THE SITE.
THE UTILITY THAT THEY PRESENT IS RENEWABLE, INFINITELY RENEWABLE ONSITE AROUND SITE AND ELSEWHERE.
SO, UM, I WOULD DEFER TO OUR CODE.
'CAUSE I THINK ON THE REPLACEMENT STANDARDS FOR, UH, TREES AND DEVELOPMENT SITES, THE CURRENT CODE TODAY IS ACCEPTABLE UP UNTIL THE, THE RATE AT WHICH TREES NEED TO BE REPLACED.
I THINK IT'S OVERLY PUNITIVE TO AN EXTENT MM-HMM
EVEN WHEN SOMEBODY'S DOING SOMETHING THAT'S PERMISSIBLE BY.
BUT I THINK THE LOSS OF HERITAGE TREES SHOULD BE PUNITIVE.
I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE TO RECOMPENSE AT A HIGHER STANDARD THAN SOMEBODY WHO'S JUST COMING IN AND BUILDING A HOUSE OR BUILDING A GARAGE OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING WHATEVER BUSINESS THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE GROUND.
SO I, I THINK THAT THE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A SPECIAL CONDITION ASSIGNED TO THIS PUD ABOUT TREE REPLACEMENT THAT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT'S ALREADY PRESENT IN THE CODE WOULD BE MY PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATION TO YOU.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS LATER ON, THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE CITY.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, VARIANCES OR ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, OR, UM, MAYBE BRING THAT STUFF BACK, UH, AT A LATER DATE AS A FUNCTION OF A, OF A DEVELOPMENT ACTION AND NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, WHICH IS JUST A LAND USE ENTITLEMENT ACTION.
WELL, THE, THE REASON I I BROUGHT UP THE TREES IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AMENDING THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE PUD ZONING MM-HMM
SO I'M OKAY WITH IT CHANGING FROM A B ONE TO A B TWO.
NO PROBLEMS WITH THAT WHATSOEVER.
LOVE THE IDEA OF A GROCERY STORE.
LIKE I SAID, THAT'S FIVE STARS.
IF WE CAN SOMEHOW CRAFT LANGUAGE OR IF THE CODE COVERS IT ADEQUATELY FOR LOSS OF HERITAGE TREES, THEN I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT OVERLOOKING OH YEAH.
THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, RIP OUT THESE HERITAGE TREES AND I BELIEVE THE CODE SAYS THEY HAVE TO RE BE REPLACED ON THE LOT, WHICH IS NOT BENEFICIAL IN THIS
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CASE.SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, OKAY.
WE CAN ALTER THE PUD A LITTLE, LET'S ALTER IT A LITTLE TO THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY.
NOT, NOT, YOU KNOW, PLANTING A, A OLD, UH, NOT PLANTING A HUGE, UH, HUGE TREE CANOPY TREE EVERY FIVE FEET AS HAS BEEN REQUIRED IN THE PAST IN SOME PLACES,
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
SO, SO THE, WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR IMPERVIOUS COVER, RIGHT? YES.
SO IS THIS GONNA BE IN ADDITION TO OR, UH, TO THE ORNAMENTAL OR REPLACEMENT? THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS IF, IF THEY KEEP THE OLD, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, AS LONG AS THEY'VE GOT THE NUMBER OF CALIPER INCHES THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE WHEN WE SAY, OKAY, THE LOT THIS SIZE NEEDS A HUNDRED TREES, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M OKAY THROWING THAT OUT THE WINDOW.
IF THEY CAN RETAIN THE ENTIRE GROVE, SO WOULD I BE, I'D BE
IF THEY GOTTA CUT, CUT DOWN SOME OF THE GROVE AND THEY DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR LET'S SAY 25 TREES, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M OKAY WITH THEM GIVING, PUTTING UP 12 NEW TREES AND THE OTHER 13 THAT GOES TO PARKS AND PARKS PUTS 'EM WHERE THEY'RE NEEDED, NOT ON THE SITE.
AND THAT, I KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE OUTSIDE OF THE NORM FOR HOW THE SITES WORK.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOKED AT, UH, UH, IRONWOOD FOR EXAMPLE, GOTTA PUT ALL THE TREES ON THAT SITE DOESN'T REALLY WORK.
SO IN THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE THOUGH, LAND USE IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WE WOULD SO GO WITH THAT YET, OR WE ADD THAT TO THIS MOTION.
WELL, THIS IS, THIS AGENDA ITEM IS AMEND THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF A PUD ZONING.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE DOING THE LAND USE THE PUD ZONING, CHANGING IT FROM A B ONE TO B TWO.
LIKE I SAID, I'M FINE WITH THAT, BUT ALSO AMENDING THE PUD REQUIREMENTS WITH THESE TREES BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE THAT SAYS YOU CAN PUT TREES ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY.
I GUESS WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF, IF THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, HEALTHY TREE IN THIS TREE GROVE THAT IS PRESERVED, THEN TREES THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE REQUIRED ON THE SITE WOULD BE CREDITED TOWARDS THAT PRESERVATION.
IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? THAT THAT'S MY INTENT, YES.
THAT WHICH WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT OUR CODE READS.
BUT, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT I'M HEARING REPEATEDLY IS THAT TREES LOST.
YOU WANT TO BE RECON RECOMPENSE TO THE CITY, WHETHER THAT BE ON SITE OR OFFSITE.
UM, AND THEN YOU WANT A CREDIT FOR TREES PRESERVED.
SO, UM, I MEAN, I THINK YOU'VE, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
LIKE I I FEEL LIKE I'M HEARING THE SAME POINT.
I'M, I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW TO WORD THAT IN MOTION WITHOUT IT BEING A MOTION THAT'S TWO PAGES LONG
BECAUSE THIS, THIS IS A CHANGE TO THEIR PUD.
SO I, I THINK, I THINK WE'D HAVE TO OKAY.
NO, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO ASK BECAUSE WE WERE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON IT.
I'D LOVE, I'D LOVE TO SEE IT CHANGED.
I THINK I COULD TAKE A STAB AT, UM, A SUGGESTION, A MOTION TO, FOR EVERY CALIPER INCH SAVED OF THE OLD GROVE OF TREES THAT ARE DESIGNATED AS GOOD OR FAIR CONDITION, THAT WILL BE A CREDIT TOWARD OTHER REQUIRED TREES ON THE SITE.
AND THEN WHAT ABOUT FOR THE ONES LOST? IS THAT COVERED IN THERE? I THINK THE CODE IS ALREADY KIND OF IN PLACE THAT WAY.
SO WE ARE ALREADY INCENTIVIZED TO PRESERVE TREES BECAUSE THE FEE IN LIEU IS VERY EXPENSIVE, ESPECIALLY FOR TREES OF THIS SIZE.
AND SO ADDITIONALLY IT IS A VALUE TO THIS PROPERTY, SHADING, PARKING, AND ALL OF THE BENEFITS THAT COME WITH THOSE TYPES OF TREES.
AND SO I THINK IN THAT CASE, YOU KNOW, THE CODE WILL BE THAT INCENTIVE ALREADY, IN MY OPINION.
AND, AND I THINK THE ONLY, THE ONLY CAVEAT TO THAT WOULD BE THE TREES DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE ON SITE, THE REPLACEMENT TREES.
I BELIEVE THAT'S ALSO IN THE CODE, IS THAT CORRECT? IT IS.
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MY ONE WHO DECIDES, LIKE WHO'S DECIDING IF IT'S A HEALTHY OR GOOD TREE, THE ARBORIST THAT SHOULD THEY'RE GONNA HIRE.
THAT'S PART OF THE REQUIREMENT.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION
APPRECIATE THAT WITH THE TREE CREDIT VERBIAGE AS PRESENTED.
YOU COULD JUST GET THAT TO US SO WE CAN, WE COULD PUT C MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 1ST.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT, THAT'S MY MOTION.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY CHAIR HUDSON, A SECOND BY VICE CHAIR WORTZ.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? OH LORD, I HOPE, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ALL RIGHT, THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
SORRY FOR BEATING THAT ONE TO DEATH GUYS.
GOSH, I DIDN'T THINK THE TREES PHONE CALLS THAT MUCH.
UH, 6.6 CONSIDERATION IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON THE REQUEST FROM RENER.
REPRESENTATIVES ON BEHALF OF VENTANA HILLS, LTD OWNERS CASE NUMBER ZON DASH TWO SIX DASH 0 0 1 9 TO ALTER THE HURO FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR 18.733 ACRES ALONG CR ONE 19 FROM THE DESIGNATION NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER CATEGORY.
UH, DOES THIS ONE REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING? IT DOES, YES, SIR.
UM, AND JUST FOR YOUR OWN EDIFICATION, UM, SEVERAL OF THESE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, I'M SURE YOU'VE LOOKED AT IT, ARE ALL RELATED TO A SINGLE PROJECT.
SO AS YOU HEAR THESE THINGS, KEEP IN MIND THAT IT WILL AFFECT THE DECISION FOR LATER AGENDA ITEMS. YEP.
WELL, COMMISSIONERS, MANNY HERNANDEZ ON THE RECORD ONCE MORE.
SO UP ON THE SCREEN YOU HAVE A LOCATION MAP SHOWING YOU WHERE THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THAT BLUE OUTLINE.
UM, WITH THAT BLUE CALL OUT, CALLING OUT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AS YOU CAN TELL, THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE, UH, MAP HAS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNATION.
YOU DO HAVE A COMMUNITY ACTIVITY CENTER TO THE SOUTH, AND YOU DO HAVE EMPLOYMENT CENTER TO THE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, TO THE NORTH.
YOU DO HAVE SOME DEVELOPED, UM, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS EXISTING, DEVELOPED NEIGHBORHOODS OUT IN THE ETJ, JUST SOUTH OF THAT AFFORDABLE STORAGE UNIT, UM, PROJECT.
UM, SO THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY IS COMPRISED OF 18.733 ACRES.
UH, IT IS ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF EDGE SCHMIDT BOULEVARD, AS SHOWN IN THAT LAST PIC PICTURE.
UM, AND IT IS APPROXIMATELY ONE AND A QUARTER MILES NORTH OF BIMMER LOOP.
UM, AND TO THE NORTH YOU'LL HAVE, UH, CHANDLER ROAD JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, AS STATED EARLIER, IT'S CALLED OUT AS NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, BUT TO THE WEST, YOU DO HAVE THAT APPOINTMENT CENTER, UM, WHICH IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TODAY.
SO THE DESIGNATION AS PART OF THE SOAR 2040 IS THAT, UM, A NEIGHBORHOOD IS CONSIDERED SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES, UM, MAKING UP THE MAJORITY OF THE LAND USE WITH SOME TOWN HOMES, DUPLEXES AND MISSING MIDDLE AND SMALL MULTI-FAMILY TO CREATE DIVERSITY IN THE HOUSING CHOICES.
UM, AND TRANSITIONS BETWEEN COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH IS ANOTHER DESIGNATION, UH, I MEAN, WHICH IS THE DESIGNATION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, NON-RESIDENTIAL USES ARE, UM, COMPLIMENTARY TO THE RESIDENTIAL.
SO YOU'LL HAVE SMALL SCALE RETAIL SERVICES, UM, AND SMALL, SMALL SCALE RETAIL.
YOU'LL HAVE SERVICES LIKE YOUR NAIL SALONS, YOUR DAYCARE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND SOME SMALLER OFFICES, UM, LIKE YOUR TAXING OFFICES AND WHATNOT.
SO NOW THIS SLIDE HERE COVERS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UM, CATEGORY OF EMPLOYMENT CENTER, UM, WHICH IS BUSINESS CENTERS WITH EV ACCESS TO MAJOR ROADWAYS.
UM, YOU'LL HAVE PRIMARILY LIGHT MANUFACTURING OFFICE PARKS AND, UH, SUPPORTIVE RETAIL.
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LARGE CORPORATE CAMPUSES ARE PERMISSIBLE BUT ARE NOT, UH, GENERALLY THE PREFERRED SCENARIO IN, IN, UH, EMPLOYMENT CENTER DUE TO THEIR SPRAWLING NATURE AND HIGH PARKING RATIOS.UM, SO IDEALLY THERE'S A MIXTURE OF, UH, RETAIL OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL USES IN EMPLOYMENT CENTER AND OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TYPES, UM, RATHER THAN EXCLUSIVELY INDUSTRIAL OR OFFICE.
SO THIS MAP HERE KIND OF SHOWS THE, OR NOT KIND OF, IT DOES SHOW WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP TAKING PLACE.
SO IT WOULD GO FROM THAT ORANGE, UM, TO THAT PURPLE, WHICH IS THAT EMPLOYMENT CENTER.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S NOT SPOT ZONING.
IT'S NOT FAR FROM ANY OTHER, UM, LAND THAT IS CURRENTLY, UH, ZONED, UH, OR FUTURELY ZONED, UH, EMPLOYMENT CENTER.
SO, O YOU KNOW, AS HAS KIND OF BEEN HINTED AT DURING THIS PRESENTATION, THIS MAP AMENDMENT, UH, ALIGNS WITH THE SURROUNDING USES, WHICH IS THAT EMPLOYMENT CENTER TO THE WEST.
UM, IT JUST MOVES THAT BOUNDARY OF THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER A LITTLE FURTHER EAST.
UM, BUT CR ONE 19 OR EDGE SCHMIDT BOULEVARD IS STILL KIND OF THAT MAIN, UM, DIVISION BETWEEN, OR WOULD NOW SERVE AS A DIVISION FOR THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, AS THIS, UH, SITE IS CURRENTLY VACANT, UM, UNDEVELOPED, THIS DESIGNATION IS NOT EXPECTED TO CAUSE ANY ADVERSE EFFECTS, UM, ON THE LAND OR ANY POTENTIAL NUISANCES.
UM, AND ANY ISSUES WOULD, OR THE SITE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW, UH, ZONING STANDARDS AND THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD STILL BE UP TO AN ACCEPTABLE, UH, AN APPROVABLE CONDITION THAT WOULDN'T CREATE ANY LIFE AND SAFETY HAZARDS OR NUISANCES.
UM, SO THIS, THIS CHANGE, UM, REALLY PROVIDES SOME BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY, PROVIDING MORE SPACE FOR EMPLOYMENT, UM, UH, RATHER THAN PLACING MORE RESIDENTIAL USES ADJACENT TO THAT, UM, EMPLOYMENT AREA.
AND SO, DUE TO ALL OF THIS, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT.
ALL RIGHT? AND THIS ONE DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:13 PM IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I ALRIGHT, THEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:13 PM AND OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? I HAVE NONE.
I AM LOOKING FOR AN AERIAL VIEW OF THIS.
IT'S, IT'S RIGHT AT THAT CORNER OF RAIN CREEK ONE 19 PAGE AND ONE 19.
IT'S BEFORE YOU GET TO COUNTY ROAD ONE 18.
UNLESS THE ROAD CHANGES NUMBERS BEFORE YOU GET TO ALL THE, UH, YEAH.
SO WE BUSINESSES OUT THERE? NO, IT'S, IT'S RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS THIS THE STORE ROADS UP HERE, RIGHT? THESE ARE THE BUSINESSES.
MOBILE HOUSE, ARENT THEY HOUSES? OH, WHATEVER.
JUST SAYING LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS.
HI, I HAVE AN ARIEL IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT, IF THAT'S BENEFICIAL.
IF NOT, I DON'T NEED TO GIVE A PRESENTATION.
STAFF DID A GREAT JOB, BUT I HEARD THAT Y'ALL MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR ONE AND I DO HAVE ONE IN A PRESENTATION IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT.
OH, GOOGLE DOES THE JOB, RIGHT? YEP.
UH, I I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE, THE MAP AND KIND OF GOING, WAIT A MINUTE, TONY, I HAVE A, I MUST'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE WRONG OVERHEAD.
DID YOU MAKE A COMMENT REGARDING, OH, I JUST OFFERED, I SAID I HAD AN AERIAL IF THEY WANTED TO SEE IT, BUT I DO NOT NEED TO GIVE A PRESENTATION.
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AS WELL.WELL COME ON UP AND PLEASE LET US KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
IT SHOWS CR 1 0 8, RIGHT? THAT IS CR 1 1 9.
THE SKETCH TO ACCOMPANY LEGAL DESCRIPTION AS ONE 19 MARKED AS 1 0 8, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO, UM, DISCUSSION QUESTION, COMMENTS? I, I HAVE NONE.
ALL RIGHT, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 6.6.
I'LL MOVE THE APPROVED 6.6 AS PRESENTED.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DE DELAY, AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.
DAN, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MO ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
SIX ZERO, UH, 6.7 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON HURO TECH AND TRADE CENTER CASE NUMBER ZERO N 26 DASH ZERO TWO.
AN APPLICATION BY THE RENER GROUP, REPRESENTATIVES ON BEHALF OF VENTANA HILLS, LTD OWNERS TO AMEND THE ZONING FOR 18.733 ACRE PARCEL OF LAND FROM SF ONE TWO LI.
THE COMMISSIONERS AMANDA HERNANDEZ ONCE MORE, UH, FOR THE SECOND AND LAST TIME TONIGHT.
SO WE'VE GOT THE SAME PROPERTY.
YEAH, I, I'LL JUST MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
SO, UM, THE REQUEST IS TO, UM, AS HAS BEEN STATED EARLIER TODAY BY HOWARD, IT'S MULTIPLE REQUESTS, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT WE JUST SAW, UM, AN ANNEXATION AND A ZONING DESIGNATION AMENDMENT.
UM, SO THIS REQUEST IS MADE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THOSE OTHER ITEMS. UM, YOU'VE GOT THOSE 18 ACRES.
THE ANNEXATION IS SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 1ST, 2026.
UM, IF THIS IS SUCCESSFUL, THE ANNEX, THE ZONING DESIGNATION AT THE TIME WILL BE SF ONE, UM, CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OR, AND THEN, SO THIS REQUEST IS TO AMEND THAT DESIGNATION FROM SF ONE TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WHICH WOULD MATCH UP WITH THAT.
UM, SO LI WOULD BE THE CURRENT ZONING EQUIVALENT TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF EMPLOYMENT CENTER.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST ALIGNS OVERALL WITH THE GENERAL, UH, EVENTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY.
AND IS THIS ONE A PUBLIC HEARING? YES, IT IS.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT NINE 19.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:19 PM AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT, UH, PAGE 1 32, THE SKETCH TO ACCOMPANY LEGAL DESCRIPTION HAS THE SAME ERROR.
I GUESS MY QUESTION ON THIS ITEM IS THEN GOING TO BE, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
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I UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE BEST FIT FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.UH, IF IT THERE ARE, IF THIS IS SUBDIVIDED INTO MULTIPLE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL LOTS, WOULD EACH OF THOSE HAVE THEIR OWN ENTRANCE ONTO ONE 19? OR COULD WE SOMEHOW ARRANGE FOR A CONSOLIDATED ENTRANCE INTO THIS OVERALL LOT? SO THE SUBDIVISION WOULD BE REVIEWED BY STAFF BECAUSE IT WOULD BE IN OUR CORPORATE LIMITS.
WE ALREADY HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DISTANCING THAT'S REQUIRED BETWEEN DRIVEWAYS, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
UM, NOT THAT IT'S COME UP YET, UM, BUT IT WILL HERE IN A SECOND.
UM, THERE IS A NEW ROAD THAT'S PROPOSED, UM, IN CONCERT WITH THIS PROJECT.
IT WILL BE ALONG THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE COMBINED LOTS.
SO THE LOT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW IS, YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY LISTED THERE THAT THE LOT IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST.
THE PURPLE IS ABOUT 50 ACRES OR SO, GIVE OR TAKE.
AND IT'S GONNA BE COMBINED WITH THIS.
AND THE TOTAL OF THE TWO OF THEM IS SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 70 ACRES.
AND THERE'LL BE A ROAD ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THOSE TWO, PRIMARILY ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY.
SO THERE COULD BE ACCESSES TO THAT.
THERE COULD BE ACCESSES TO ONE 19, BUT THE CITY WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THEM.
WE CAN'T PRECLUDE ACCESS TO ANY LOT THAT'S CREATED MM-HMM
UM, BUT, UM, WE, WE CAN STEER THEM TOWARDS WHATEVER IS THE MOST CODE COMPLIANT OPTION.
I'M, I'M JUST THINKING SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF JUST SOUTH OF THE TRACKS ON CHRIS KELLY WHERE THERE'S A SINGLE ENTRANCE AND THEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE LOTS MM-HMM
IT'S NOT EACH ONE OF THOSE DUMPING OUT ONTO WHERE THEY'RE EDGE SCHMIDT REAR LOADED, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.
THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE, THAT THAT IDEA IS COVERED IN OUR CODE.
THAT WOULD BE IN SITE DESIGN, NOT NECESSARILY IN THIS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM THEN? I WILL ENTERTAIN A VOTE ON 6.7.
UH, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 6.7 MOTION.
MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT 6.8 THAT'S WRITTEN.
YOU HAVE TO SECOND 'CAUSE SHE SAID IT FIRST.
SIX SEVEN, NOT SIX EIGHT TO ME.
YOU WANT A SECOND? DEEP AND SOCK HERE? YOU WANT A SECOND ON SIX, SEVEN, SECOND IT.
UH, SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DAN AND A SECOND BY VICE CHAIR WETZ.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
STAFF, UH, THE STAFF HAVE ANYTHING WE SHOULD BE LIKE INCLUDING IN THIS? LIKE CONSIDERING FROM THIS AGENDA ITEM? I DON'T THINK THEY, NOTHING SPRINGS TO MIND THAT.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON YOUR MIND? NO, I'M JUST ASKING.
OH, NOW THIS, THIS IS, UM, NOT A-A-P-U-D OR A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THIS IS JUST WHAT I WOULD TERM STRAIGHT ZONING.
SO TO YOU, THE QUESTION IS, IS THE LAND USE APPROPRIATE? YES OR NO? OKAY.
IF IT'S NOT, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ROOM TO ADD CONDITIONS.
THERE WITHOUT IT BEING A PUD, WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF INPUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING 6.7 AS PRESENTED, SAY.
MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO AND 6.8 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CASE NUMBER ZERO N DASH 26 DASH 0 0 3 4.
A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE HU MOBILITY MASTER PLAN TO REVISE THE PLACEMENT OF A MINOR COLLECTOR THAT LINKS CR ONE 19 AND THE NORTH BOUND ONE 30 TOLLWAY FRONTAGE ROAD.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME'S HOWARD KONZ.
I'M DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
THIS ITEM IS BEING BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE CITY, NOT BY ANY APPLICANT.
UH, THERE IS A REFERENCE DOCUMENT WITHIN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SOAR 2040.
UM, AND JUST LIKE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS MADE BY REFERENCE, WE HAVE A MOBILITY MASTER PLAN
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THAT IS ALSO MADE BY REFERENCE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.IN IT IT IS SPELLED OUT CLASSIFICATION OF EXISTING ROADS, THE CLASSIFICATIONS FOR ROADS IN THE FUTURE DUE TO CAPITAL, YOU KNOW, EXPANSIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS AND THE EXPECTATION FOR NEW ROADS TO BE DEVELOPED THROUGH THE COMMUNITY.
WE, AS WE SEE CONNECTIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED.
WHAT HAPPENS IS AS A DEVELOPER COMES ALONG WITH A PIECE OF LAND AND WANTS TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE LAND, IF THAT LAND SITS ON A LOT THAT IS REPRESENTED WITH A NEW OR IMPROVED ROAD IN THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN, THEN IT IS INCUMBENT UPON THAT DEVELOPER TO BUILD THE ROAD, THEIR SECTION OF IT, AT LEAST NOT THE ENTIRETY, BUT JUST THEIR PORTION, THEIR PRORATED PORTION.
UM, THE MAP IS OFTEN MISTAKEN AS A DEVELOPMENT CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT.
IT IS IN FACT NOT A CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT.
IT IS MORE OF A LIST OF WISHES AND DESIRES FOR CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN ONE AREA AND ANOTHER AREA.
IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED BY PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE BETTER AT IT THAN I AM, THAT A ROADWAY CONNECTION WILL NEED TO BE MADE BETWEEN A AND B.
AND THEY CAN DETERMINE WHAT THE EXPECTED USE OF THAT ROAD WOULD BE.
SO THEY CAN DETERMINE THE CLASSIFICATION THE RIGHT OF WAY, REQUIRED THE WIDTH, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A MEDIAN TREES, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT IS DETERMINED AND MADE AS A MAP AND PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC.
THERE SHOULD BE AN EXPECTATION FOR UNDERSTANDING TRANSPARENCY SURETY ON THE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE MAP, THEY CAN REALIZE WHAT IS REQUIRED OF THEM AND WHAT IS NOT REQUIRED OF THEM SO THEY CAN COME FORWARD AND MAKE APPLICATIONS THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND.
IN THIS CASE, THE MAP TODAY, THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN TODAY CALLS FOR THE CONNECTION BETWEEN ONE 19 AND THE ONE 30 FRONTAGE ROAD TO THE WEST TO BE ALONG THE NORTHERN EDGE OF THE PREVIOUS THREE ITEMS OF, OF THE 17 ACRE ANNEXATION PARCEL AND THE 50.
AND IN THIS MAP HERE, JUST BASICALLY THE, THE TOP THIRD OF THE, OF THE MAP THERE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON THE SCREEN, WHICH YOU MAY ALSO NOTICE IS THAT IN THE UPPER LEFT, UM, OF THIS PHOTO IS A RECTANGLE THAT'S GREEN.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY THERE MM-HMM
AND ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER OF THAT IS A DAM.
AND THEN BELOW THAT ARE A NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED.
THE MAP THAT WE HAVE, MOBILITY MASTER PLAN SHOWS FOR THERE TO BE A ROAD BETWEEN ONE 19 AND ONE 30.
AND IT GOES RIGHT THROUGH THAT.
SO THE FOLKS THAT ARE BRINGING THIS 70 ACRE PROJECT TOGETHER HAVE SAID IN THE INTEREST OF, I DON'T KNOW, I'LL CALL IT COMMON SENSE, THEY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE ROAD TO THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THEIR PROPERTY RATHER THAN THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY OF THEIR PROPERTY IS CALLED OUT IN OUR MAP.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S AN EXPECTATION OF BASICALLY WHAT THE ROAD WILL LOOK LIKE, UM, AS IT GOES THROUGH WELL THROUGH AND BEYOND THEIR PROPERTY, RATHER THAN BEING ON THE TOP OF THIS IMAGE, YOU CAN SEE THE, IT'S ON THE BOTTOM.
STAFF BELIEVES THAT IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY, THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY NOTIFY THE WORLD AT LARGE THAT WE ARE MOVING.
THAT IF THAT ROAD WERE ONLY MOVED 60, 80, I DON'T KNOW EVEN 150 FEET ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, NOT A BIG DEAL.
THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY JUST A FIELD ADJUSTMENT.
BUT THIS IS SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 1200 FEET AND, YOU KNOW, HAS A PRETTY APPRECIABLE EFFECT ON PROPERTIES TO THE WEST.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT WE ARE GOING TO AMEND OUR MAP TO DISPLAY NOT ONLY WHAT WILL BE THE EXISTING CONDITION, OR WE'LL CALL IT IN THIS CASE THE IMMINENT CONDITION AND THE FUTURE CONDITION AS IT TIES INTO THE ONE 30 FRONTAGE ROAD TO THE WEST.
SO, UM, THIS IS JUST NOTIFICATION TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AT LARGE WHO PLANS TO COME TO THIS SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD OF HU THAT THE ROADWAY CONNECTION BETWEEN ONE 19 AND ONE 30 HAS BEEN MOVED TO THE SOUTH.
AND WE'RE GONNA MONUMENT THAT ON OUR MOBILITY MASTER PLAN IF AND WHEN IT'S YOUR PLEASURE TO APPROVE THIS.
AND THIS NEEDED AND DOES THIS REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING? SURE ENOUGH, THIS IS, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACTUALLY.
TO A REFERENCE DOCUMENT WITHIN IT, BUT STILL IT'S, IT'S WITHIN IT.
SO YES, IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.
ALRIGHT THEN LET US OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:30 PM AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THEN? I WILL CLOSE THE
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PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:30 PM AND OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION.HAVE THOSE, ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS BEEN ADVISED OF THIS, THERE WAS PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATION TO ALL OF THEM? YES.
DID WE RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES TO THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY, NO.
UH, MY QUESTION, THE, I'M GONNA CALL IT THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS PROPOSED ROADWAY IN THAT, UH, THAT 50 ACRE LOT IS THAT, UM, SPECIFICALLY THE EASTERN EDGE WHERE YOU'VE GOT JUST A LITTLE SLIVER BETWEEN WHAT LOOKS LIKE THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE LOT TO THE SOUTH LOT TWO BLOCK A, I BELIEVE IT SAYS, IS THAT USABLE LAND IF WE DO IT THIS WAY OR DO WE NEED TO POSSIBLY ALTER IT? SOME, I I BELIEVE YOU KNOW THIS, THIS IS AN AERIAL, RIGHT.
SO IT'S NOT EXACTLY WHERE THE PLACEMENT WILL BE UNTIL THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ARE DONE, BUT I BELIEVE THE INTENTION IS FOR THE, THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY TO BE COINCIDENT WITH THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE OKAY.
AND EVENTUALLY YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THAT PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH HAS A DRIVEWAY THAT GOES OUT TO ONE 19.
BUT THE ROAD ALSO DAYLIGHTS AT ONE 19 MM-HMM
THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO A LITTLE CLOSE.
SO WHAT WE, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS HAVE THAT PROPERTY OF THE SOUTH ACTUALLY TAKE ACCESS FROM THIS POINT GOING FORWARD TO THE NEW ROAD.
AND THEN THEY CAN GO OUT TO ONE 19.
AND THEN THERE'S ONLY ONE POINT OF INTERFERENCE THAT, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT QUESTION IS, WE'VE GOT TWO ENTRANCES VERY CLOSE TOGETHER.
THERE'S FOLKS IN THE BUILDING THAT ARE WORKING THAT DEAL NOW.
BUT THAT'S MORE OF A PAPERWORK THING AND LESS OF A LAND USE THING, SO, OKAY.
I'M NOT INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THE DETAILS OF IT, BUT I I AM AWARE OF IT.
NOW, WOULD THAT REQUIRE ANOTHER, UH, MOBILITY MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THAT WOULD JUST BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENT TO ELIMINATE THAT.
WHAT, MAYBE 60 FOOT
THERE WOULD BE NO MORE USE FOR IT.
I THINK MY CONCERN IS 'CAUSE WE'RE MAKING THE CHANGE IN ILL NEGATIVELY AFFECTING THESE PROPERTIES.
I, I WOULD ASSUME THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY GET THEIR NOTIFICATION FROM.
WELL, EV EVERYONE WAS NOTIFIED EV EVERYBODY WITHIN, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN MADE AWARE OF THIS PURSUANT TO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR STATE LAW FOR THE, THE CHANGE OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO IT'S, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE BEING HAD, LIKE I SAID, THROUGH THE CITY AND PRIVATE FOLKS THAT ARE DOING THIS WORK WITH THE, WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
AND AS, AS FAR AS LIKE THE 50 ACRE LOT KIND OF HERE IN THE CENTER OF THE SCREEN, THE, THE VARIANCE BETWEEN HAVING IT ON THE NORTH END AND THE SOUTH END AS FAR AS THE, THE AMOUNT OF FOOT, THEY FEET, SQUARE FEET, THEY NEED TO GIVE UP FOR A RIGHT OF AWAY VERY MINIMAL DIFFERENCE.
SO, BUT I MEAN, IT CUTS INTO THEIR USABLE SPACE AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT THE USABLE SPACE YEAH.
DOWN AT THAT SOUTH END, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT IT NARROWING DOWN TO A POINT.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE INTENT IS TO MOVE IT ALONG THE, THE BOUNDARY LINE AND REMEMBER THE SCALE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT, THESE TWO PARCELS TOGETHER ARE ROUGHLY 80 ACRES.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE WOULD FIT ON IT WHEN IN FACT, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD FIT ON THAT.
SO THAT BOTTOM SIDE ACTUALLY IS QUITE USEFUL.
THE, THE, THE BOTTOM SIDE IS CREATIVELY DESIGNED USEFUL EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE LITTLE SLIVER STICKING OUT.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR.
IT MAY, IT MAY WORK OUT BY THE TIME IT'S, WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS.
THIS IS, THIS IS JUST ENTITLEMENT FUNCTIONS.
I MEAN, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THOSE, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IN THE UPPER LEFT YEAH.
THOSE WILL FIT IN THAT SOUTHERN AREA.
I, THAT WAS JUST MY MAIN CONCERN IS MM-HMM
BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING IT, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO DO THE DUE DILIGENCE OF MAKING SURE OF LIKE, SINCE WE'RE MAKING THE REQUEST TO, TO BE FAIR, WE'RE WE THE CITY ARE DOING THIS
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IN RESPONSE TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S, THAT'S COME FORWARD, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO US.THE, THE CHANGE IS IT'S WORTH ALERTING FOLKS IN THE REGION THAT IT'S HAPPENING, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ANY GREATER OR LESSER UTILITY TO ANY OF THE PROPERTIES AS A FUNCTION OF US JUST REPRESENTING WHAT THE ACTUAL CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND ARE VERSUS THE MAP TODAY, WHICH SHOWS A, A FICTITIOUS CONNECTION THAT ISN'T MATHEMATICALLY OR PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE.
AND, AND BASED ON THE PREVIOUS TWO ITEMS, YOU KNOW, WHICH WERE NOT CITY ORIGINATED, THOSE WERE ORIGINATED BY THE DRER GROUP REGARDING THE FAR EASTERN PIECE OF THIS PROPERTY.
SO I THINK THEY'RE ON BOARD WITH THIS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THAT, IT'S KIND OF OUR BALL TO RECOMMEND THE CHANGE.
IT WAS JUST, THAT'S MY REALLY, MY HANGUP.
AND I, I DO UNDERSTAND LIKE, IT, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF USABLE LAND THERE.
IT'S JUST, I WOULD HATE TO CHANGE ALL THIS AND THEN, THEN THEY TRY TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT LAND AND WE HAVE TO SAY NO, SO.
LET'S, UH, LET'S NOT CARVE THIS UP INTO UNUSABLE
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 6.8.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION WE APPROVE.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT, THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE ON APPROVING 6.8 AS PRESENTED.
AND NEXT IS ITEM SEVEN, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR REPORT.
'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T KEPT YOU HERE LONG ENOUGH.
I WILL TRY NOT TO KEEP Y'ALL HERE ANY LONGER.
SO GET OUT THERE AND DO YOUR POLITICING NOW.
'CAUSE YOU GOT A MONTH, UM, TO DETERMINE, UM, I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.
DO YOU DESIRE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ELECT PERSONS THAT ARE APPOINTED OR, YOU KNOW, DE DETERMINED AT THE MEETING? OR DO YOU WANT TO DECIDE WHO WOULD BE, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD, UM, WHEN YOU RECOMMEND SOMEBODY FOR CHAIR NOMINATIONS? YEAH, NOMINATIONS.
SORRY, I CAN CAN'T TELL YOU HOW LONG A DAY.
WHAT'S LOOKING FOR IS VOLUNTOLD.
SO, BUT WOULD YOU RATHER DO NOMINATIONS AND VOTE THE SAME MEETING OR WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE NOMINATIONS ONE MEETING AND VOTE AT THE NEXT ONE? SO THAT IS THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH IN THE PAST ELECTING A CHAIR HAS BEEN ESSENTIALLY, HEY, WHO WANTS TO DO IT? YEAH.
HAND, HAND GOES UP AND LIKE, OKAY.
UH, SO IT'S NOT EVEN A NOMINATION.
AS FOR VOLUNTEERS, IF THERE'S EVERYBODY STEP FORWARD AND EVERYBODY STEPS BACK.
IF THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO BE CHAIR, THEN YOU VOTE, THEN WE WOULD VOTE.
BELIEVE ME, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A THING.
SO JUST WHATEVER YOUR PREFERENCE IS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SERVE.
I JUST, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME WITH YOU.
JUST REMEMBER THE CHAIR GETS TO TALK TO COUNSEL.
IF IT AIN'T BROKE, IF IT AIN'T BROKE, WE'LL FIX IT.
UM, ALSO, I DIDN'T GET ANY RESPONSE FROM THE COUNCIL ON, UH, YOUR REQUEST TO ATTEND A PA IN OCTOBER.
UM, BUT FROM THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS HAD THAT NIGHT, THEY'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF IT.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
I, UM, AND, AND I'M, I'M, I GOTTA SAY THAT I, I AM DISAPPOINTED IN COUNSEL.
NOT, UH, I MEAN, I WAS PRESENT IN THE ROOM AND
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I ATTENDED AND I GAVE A BRIEF BACK TO THE ENTIRETY OF P AND Z.I KNOW HOWARD DOESN'T KNOW THIS, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE ON COUNCIL WHO KNOW THAT MM-HMM
WHAT HAPPENED? I DON'T, I DON'T.
THERE WAS SOME HESITATION ABOUT SENDING BRANDON BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T SURE ABOUT VALUE.
THEY WEREN'T SURE ABOUT DUPLICATION OF EFFORT AND THERE JUST WASN'T A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE A PA CONFERENCE AND THE BRIEF BACK TO P AND Z OH.
'CAUSE I, I THINK THEY HAD A PROBLEM.
THE QUESTIONS WERE NOT ASKED YEAH.
'CAUSE I, I THINK IT WAS WHY SEND ME WHEN YOU TWO ARE GOING.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT WAS PART OF IT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT, AND THE OTHER WAS A LITTLE BIT OF BULKING AT THE $1,200 PRICE TAG.
AS LIKE, OH, YOU'RE GETTING PAID AND YOU DON'T, IT'S A VACATION.
IT'S LIKE, NO, I, I SET THE STANDARD AND I SAID, THIS IS HOW WE DO IT.
I HAVE NO, I I DO NOT MIND PAYING MY OWN WAY.
WELL, YOU SHOULDN'T THAT, THAT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE WERE TO RECEIVE DEI TRAINING AND IT WAS, I DON'T KNOW, A THOUSAND DOLLARS, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PONY UP MONEY TO ATTEND TRAINING THAT BETTERS US AS VOLUNTEERS TO THE CITY.
WE'RE NOT GETTING, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS ON P AND Z FOR EIGHT YEARS AND I STILL HAVE A TOTAL COLLECTED INCOME OF $0
SO WOULD'VE PACKED A SANDWICH.
I WOULD'VE PACKED MY SANDWICHES.
I NEED TO TELL HIM THAT PEANUT BUTTER AND JELLY, NO SNACKS.
I MEAN, HOPE, HOPEFULLY I CAN, I CAN GET SOME TIME IF IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT ON THIS NEXT AGENDA THAT I SAW.
SO IF IT IS, IF IT DOES SHOW UP ON THE, ON A FUTURE COUNCIL AGENDA, HOPEFULLY SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
WHAT FUNDING? HUH? FOR FUNDING FOR THE TRIP ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE I I WON'T TAKE IT BACK.
STAFF, STAFF WON'T TAKE IT BACK.
WELL, IT WAS ASKED AND ANSWERED FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, SO, OKAY.
WELL THEN MAYBE I HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC COMMENT NEXT WEEK.
IT WAS MEETING THURSDAY NIGHT TOO.
I THERE'S ALWAYS A CITY COUNCIL MEETING AFTER OUR MEETING.
I MEAN, OVERALL IT'S PRETTY UNFORTUNATE.
I, I DO HOPE THAT THERE'S A CHANCE WHEN IS THE ABSOLUTE LIKE DEADLINE THAT WE, UH, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I MEAN, HONESTLY, THERE'S REGISTRATION DAY OF YOU CAN SHOW UP AND THEY WON'T KNOW YOU FROM ADAM'S HOUSE CAT.
AND YOU CAN JUST SHOW UP AND GIVE 'EM YOUR MONEY AND THEY'LL GIVE YOU A NAME TAG AND YOU CAN ATTEND THE CONFERENCE.
AS FAR AS ROOMS, I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHEN, WHEN THEY SELL OUT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S AROUND IT.
IF YOU DON'T USE THE HOST HOTEL, IF THERE'S OPTIONS WITHIN PROXIMITY TO WALK NEARBY, UM, I'VE NEVER BEEN TO THIS PLACE IN IRVING BEFORE, SO I, I CAN'T ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
BUT THE, THE WEBSITE, UH, TEXAS APAS, TEXAS CHAPTER OR THE A PA, THEIR WEBSITE DOES NOW FINALLY HAVE THE INFORMATION ON THERE ABOUT THE CONFERENCE.
ONE THING THAT'S NOT THERE YET, AND THEY POINTED OUT AT THE, AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, IS THAT THE, THE, UH, MENU, MENU WHATEVER YOU, THE PROGRAM.
HASN'T BEEN LET YET, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY STILL HAVING A, A CALL FOR SESSIONS.
THEY'RE STILL ASKING PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, COME FORWARD WITH CALLS FOR SESSIONS.
SO I, I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU WHAT THAT IS NOW, BUT IT GIVES YOU THE VARIOUS DEADLINES, THE EARLY BIRD DEADLINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE IT'S SEPTEMBER NOW.
SO I'M, I'M GONNA GUESS THAT EARLY BIRD MIGHT BE OVER, BUT I'M NOT SURE.
IF, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THERE'S A COUPLE OF SESSIONS THAT REQUIRE ADVANCED, UH, ADVANCED REGISTRATION.
YOU, THERE'S THE BREAKOUT ONES THAT USUALLY ARE ON THE BUS AND STUFF WHERE THEY TAKE YOU SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THEY NEED THE HEADCOUNT TO RSVP FOR TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES.
BUT IF YOU JUST STAY AT THE CONFERENCE AND FOLLOW THE TRACKS, YOU KNOW, AT THE EVENT, I DON'T THINK THEY'VE EVER CLOSED IT.
I'M THE ONLY, THE ONLY THE ONLY TIME I SAW ANYONE TURNED AWAY IS WHEN IT WAS STANDING ROOM ONLY FOR THIS PARTICULAR BREAKOUT SESSION.
AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'LL JUST, I'LL TRY AGAIN LATER.
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THE SESSION THAT CRAIG FARMER DOES, YOU BETTER JUST GO THERE AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE YOU WON'T GET A SEAT OTHERWISE.I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE, I THINK.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS WANTED TO SEE ON THE NEXT AGENDA OTHER THAN THE ELECTION? IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ITEMS YOU WANT ME TO PUT ON AN AGENDA THAT, UM, SHOULD WE BE TALKING ABOUT UDCI? I WAS GONNA SAY WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NEXT, THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING WOULD BE IN OCTOBER.
UM, I THINK WHAT WE MAY WANT TO DO, 'CAUSE EVERYONE EXCEPT ME, BUT I'LL, I'LL RESOLVE THAT.
UH, EVERYONE HAS THE THUMB DRIVE WITH THE FILES.
SO I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO START DOING IS WE'LL PLAN ON PUTTING, YOU WANT DO CHAPTER ONE IN OCTOBER? CHAP CHAPTER ONE, AND I'M INTO IT CHAPTER ONE AND TWO.
'CAUSE MY OPINION, THEY'RE, ARE THEY SHORT ENOUGH? YEAH.
IT'S DEFINITION AND, YOU KNOW, PROCEDURE.
I, I THINK WE CAN BURN THROUGH ONE AND TWO.
AND THEN THREE BY ITSELF, PROBABLY THREE IS PROBABLY THREE BY ITSELF.
IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT TAKE TWO MEETINGS, BUT YEAH, I, I THINK OCTOBER WE START WITH THE, EVERYONE TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
WE'RE ALL OPERATING ON THE SAME SHEET.
THAT WE'VE ALL GOT THE SAME INFO AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TAKE NOTES AND, AND BRING 'EM AND WE'LL, WE'LL HAMMER THAT ON THE NEXT AGENDA.
DO WE PREFER, UM, DOING THEM AT THE REGULAR MEETING OR WOULD YOU, DO YOU PREFER THE SPECIAL CALLED WORK SESSIONS? 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT VOTING ON ANYTHING ANYWAY.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE GONNA HAVE ON THE AGENDA YET FOR THE NEXT ONE? NOT YET.
WE HAVE ONE PRELIMINARY PLA YEAH.
SO, SO FAR ONE PRELIMINARY PLAT, SO IT CAN BE A SHORT ONE MAYBE.
I, I THINK IF EVERYONE PARDON THE PHRASING, BUT I THINK IF EVERYONE DOES THEIR HOMEWORK MM-HMM
AND, YOU KNOW, BRINGS THEIR COMMENTS, I THINK IT'LL GO FAIRLY QUICKLY.
IF IT DOESN'T, WE CAN CHANGE IT LATER.
WELL, LET'S TRY IT FOR CHAPTER.
AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE'LL DO A SPECIAL CALL MEETING.
DO YOU WANT IT TO BE LIKE, WE GO LINE BY LINE AND ASK QUESTIONS OR IT'S JUST LIKE, NO, WHAT, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M ENVISIONING FOR THE CHAPTER ONE AND TWO IS, HEY, I DON'T THINK THIS DEFINITION OF TREE IS CORRECT.
SO I WOULD LIKE IT CHANGED TO THIS.
AND YOU BRING THAT AND YOU SAY, I DON'T THINK IT'S CORRECT.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE CHANGED TO THIS.
AND WE ALL GO, RIGHT, I, I DON'T AGREE.
AND THEN WE JUST SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL TO AMEND THE UDC AND IT'S GONNA INCLUDE THIS, YOU KNOW, 1, 2, 5, 7, 8, 9, AND 10.
I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO GO THROUGH IT LINE BY LINE BECAUSE IF WE ALL COME WITH DIFFERENT, LET'S SAY ONE SUBJECT, NONE, NOBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, WE JUST MOVE ON.
I, YEAH, BECAUSE IT BETTER 'CAUSE WHAT, HOW I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND 'CAUSE LAST TIME HOW YOU WANT THAT TO BE REVIEWED.
HOW THAT, YOU WANT THAT TO BE KIND OF CONSTRUCTED OR MM-HMM
DO YOU WANT TO BE LIKE, I ASK QUESTIONS LIKE DO WE, SHOULD WE MAKE THIS MORE SPECIFIC AD LIKE A VERY CERTAIN LANGUAGE IN THERE OR? YEAH.
AND, AND IF YOU THINK THAT THIS DEFINITION OF TREE NEEDS TO HAVE MORE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, THEN IT, YOU SAY, I THINK IT SHOULD SAY THIS.
AND WE ALL LOOK AT IT AND GO YAY OR NAY.
IF IT'S A YAY, WE PUT IT INTO OUR PACKAGE AND TAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, HERE'S OUR PROPOSED AMENDMENTS FOR CHAPTER ONE AND TWO OF THE UDC.
WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT WITH COUNCIL.
THAT'S OUR PLAN GOING FORWARD.
NOW IT'S JUST GETTING IT STARTED.
HOW MANY CHAPTERS ARE THERE? NINE, 10, UH, 10.
BUT IT MIGHT BE PAIRED DOWN TO NINE.
I'M NOT ABLE TO, I I'LL RESOLVE MINE, BUT YEAH, IT'S, IT'S ALL ON OOH, WHAT FOLDER? I BELIEVE THERE'S SIX FOLDERS ON THE THUMB DRIVE.
FIVE OR SIX FOLDERS ON THE THUMB DRIVE.
I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, COUNSEL ADOPTED WITH LEGAL
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WITH THE LEGAL MEMO.IT'S THE ONE WITH THE LEGAL MEMO.
IT'S ALSO THE MOST RECENT FOLDER BECAUSE IT HAD TO BE CHANGED SO THAT PEOPLE COULD ACTUALLY ACCESS IT.
DO WE WANNA WORK ON THAT ONE? THAT'S IT.
THE OTHER ONES ARE REFERENCE, BUT THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE WORKING ON.
SO WORK ON THE ONE WITH THE LEGAL MEMO.
AND IT WILL BE THE MOST RECENT FOLDER BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THEY HAD TO CHANGE ACCESS TO IT.
OR TONY'S GONNA HIT IF, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO, YOU CAN
WHAT'S YOUR EXPECTATION FOR STAFF BRINGING SUGGESTIONS? WOULD YOU RATHER US JUST SORT OF DELIBERATE WITH YOU ON WHAT YOU BRING FORWARD? OR DO YOU WANT US TO BRING A VERSION AS WELL? UH, I, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO BRING A VERSION, BUT IF I WOULD SAY IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT JUMPS OUT DURING THE DISCUSSION, DURING THE DISCUSSION, OR, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HEAR US DISCUSS CHAPTER ONE AND YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, THEY DIDN'T MENTION, YOU KNOW, CAR OR WHATEVER DEFINI THIS, THEY DIDN'T MENTION THIS DEFINITION.
I THINK WE SHOULD MENTION THAT I, I, AS A PROFESSIONAL, I HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT OUR TREE PRESERVATION AND PROTECTION ORDINANCE.
I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO JUST START DE NOVO.
I, I THINK THERE ARE BETTER OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO US.
AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS ABOUT SITE DESIGN, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE REALLY NEED TO GET WITH IS THE IDEA OF CREATING PEDESTRIAN REFUGE AND PARKING LOTS FOR THESE NEW PROJECTS.
YOU KNOW, WALKING THROUGH THE HOME DEPOT PARKING LOT AFTER YOU'VE PARKED IS PERILOUS.
I MEAN, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THE FRONT DOOR AND GOD HELP YOU IF YOU ORDER SOMETHING BIG AND HAVE TO CARRY IT OUT TO YOUR CAR WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGHT WITH THAT AND FIGHT THROUGH TRAFFIC.
BE NICE TO JUST HAVE A SIDEWALK TO WALK ON WHERE YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
WELL, YOU, SO STUFF LIKE THAT.
NOT A ACCESS, NOT NECESSARILY EVEN A SIDEWALK.
I MEAN, I, I LOOK AT, UH, THE TARGET PARKING LOT AT STONE HILL AND THEY'VE GOT A, WHAT, FIVE FOOT GAP, JUST A GAP BETWEEN THE PARKING SPOTS AND IT'S PAINTED WHERE PEDESTRIANS CAN WALK.
COSTCO, COSTCO'S GOT THE SAME THING.
IF YOU'RE SMART, YOU BACK INTO THOSE SPACES SO YOU CAN LOAD YOUR VEHICLE FROM THERE AND PULL OUT STRAIGHT AND NOT, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO BACK INTO ANYBODY AS YOU GET INTO THE DRIVE VILE.
I MEAN, THERE'S BETTER WAYS TO DO IT.
MAKE SURE YOU GOT A DASH CAM SO YOU CAN WATCH PEOPLE HIT YOUR TRAILER HITCH WITH THEIR SHIN WHEN THEY WALK BY.
THAT'S GOOD ENTERTAINMENT RIGHT THERE.
YEAH, BUT WE, WE WILL HAVE A MEETING.
SO PLAN FOR IT FIRST TUESDAY IN OCTOBER.
AND LIKE I SAID, DO YOUR HOMEWORK.
IF, IF YOU GUYS GOT QUESTIONS ON THAT STUFF, I SHOULD, UH, I SHOULD HAVE THE, THE SAME INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE GOT WITHIN A DAY OR TWO.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I'VE JUST GOT A PROBLEM WITH ACCESS THAT'S JUST LOCKED OUT, THAT'S BEEN CORRECTED ON YOURS.
OBVIOUSLY I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT 'EM.
IF YOU DO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH ACCESS, UM, YOU KNOW, GET AHOLD OF ME, GET AHOLD OF HOWARD, LET US KNOW AND WE'LL GET THAT RESOLVED SO THAT WE CAN GET ROLLING ON THIS.
OKAY, SO CHAPTER, CHAPTER ONE, AND CHAPTER.
WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT CHAPTER ONE.
WE'VE BEEN WORTH IT WITHOUT YOU BEING HERE.
SO WE'RE GONNA ADJOURN AT OOH.