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A JOINT CITY COUNCIL.HAD AN ECONOMIC CORPORATION SPECIAL MEETING FOR THURSDAY, OCTOBER 1ST, 2026 TO ORDER.
DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IT? I'VE GOT IT IN FRONT OF ME.
OR DO YOU WANNA DO IT? I'VE GOT IT IN FRONT OF ME.
CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME OKAY? OH, PERFECT.
UM, FOR THE HOW DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION ROLL CALL, UM, VICE CHAIR SECRETARY, SECRETARY TREASURER, CHARLES WARNER,
BOARD MEMBER THORNTON AND BOARD MEMBER MORRIS HERE.
CAITLIN, DO YOU WANNA CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AS WELL, PLEASE? UH, YES.
CALLING, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, JOINT AND WITH THE CITY COUNCIL CORPORATION SPECIAL MEETING.
IT'S 6 0 1 7:00 PM FOR RECORD.
WELL, ALL RIGHT, THANKS EVERYBODY.
SO WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
[4.1. Discussion and possible action on the Pecan Street Improvements Project. (Cheney Gamboa)]
ONE DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PECAN STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.I AM, UH, SO IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS, I'M SORRY, CAITLYN, I'LL SEND THESE TO YOU.
WELL, I'LL SEND YOU A LINK 'CAUSE THEY'RE SUPER HARD FILES 'CAUSE THEY'RE ROLE PLOT.
UM, BUT I'LL SEND THEM TO YOU.
UH, SO WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE PECAN STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
THIS PROJECT ORIGINALLY STARTED AT PECAN STREET FROM WEST, WHICH IS THE STREET THAT, UH, THE CO-OP, I GUESS ENDS WITH, UH, OVER TO 1660, ALL ALONG PECAN STREET.
UH, WE REVISED THAT PROJECT A LITTLE BIT AT THE DIRECTION OF EDC AND COUNCIL TO ALSO INCORPORATE WEST AND MAIN STREET FROM PECAN DOWN TO 79.
WE'VE FURTHER REVISED IT TO HELP US NOT HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH TXDOT.
SO WE PULLED IT BACK OFF OF 79 AND BACK OFF OF 1660.
NOT JUST FOR THAT REASON, BUT THERE'S EXISTING BUSINESSES IN THOSE LOCATIONS AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS.
AND SO THEY ALREADY HAVE PARKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THERE REALLY WASN'T A NEED TO EXTEND THE PROJECT DOWN INTO THOSE INTERSECTIONS ANY FURTHER.
UH, OR THOSE ROAD SEGMENTS RATHER.
SO THE FIRST SHEET THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU SHOWS THE IMPROVEMENTS TO PECAN STREET THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.
WE ARE LOOKING AT JUST THE SOUTH SIDE OF PECAN STREET.
UH, THE PROJECT DOES INCLUDE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO DRAINAGE.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT UNDERGROUND UTILITIES, UM, ALSO ELECTRIC IN THAT THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES THERE, BUT, UM, SIDEWALKS, STREET SCAPES, LIGHTING, UM, REALLY GREAT CONNECTOR FROM THE CO-OP TO OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IN DOWNTOWN.
UH, THE REASON WE'RE DOING JUST THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET IS BECAUSE TO DO BOTH SIDES, ONE, THE BUDGET WOULD BE EXTRAORDINARY, BUT ALSO ON THE NORTH SIDE WE HAVE MORE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, UM, AND THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION AND RIGHT OF WAY IMPACTS WOULD BE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT FOR THEM.
UM, SO WE TRY TO BALANCE THE, THE WANTS AND NEEDS OF THE PROJECT WITH THE BUDGET AND TIMELINE.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO JUST DO THE SOUTH SIDE OF POND STREET.
THIS ONE SHOWS ANGLED PARKING.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE
IS ANOTHER REASON WHY WE'RE NOT DOING THE NORTH SIDE, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLE DRAINAGE, UH, RIGHT.
OF AWAY AND ENGINEERING OVER THERE.
IT'S, IT'S THE WHOLE HOST OF THINGS.
SO WE'RE INCREASING THE IMPERVIOUS COVER WHEN WE DO THAT.
AND THEN WE HAVE ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE WE HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE.
AND DOWNTOWN DOESN'T EXACTLY HAVE A, THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT OR UPDATED DRAINAGE WHERE WE GO.
IS THERE AN OPTION FOR REVERSE PARKING? LIKE ON SOUTH CONGRESS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN? OH, YOU HAVE TO REVERSE IT INTO YOUR SPOT BACK INTO THE SPOT.
THAT WAY WHENEVER YOU'RE GETTING OUT ON THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC, YOU JUST PULL OUT.
YEAH, I WOULD EXPECT THAT IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE ANGLED PARKING, LIKE THE COUNTS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL UC YOU WANT TO EVALUATE, WE SURE CAN.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE EVALUATING BASED ON SOME FEEDBACK IS LOOKING AT 30 DEGREE ANGLED PARKING INSTEAD OF 45.
THE OTHER THING IS WE'RE LOOKING AT A COMBINATION OF ANGLED PARKING AND PARALLEL PARKING.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE RIGHT OF WAY IMPACTS HERE FOR THE ANGLED PARKING ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT TO SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES.
UM, SOME OF THEM PUTTING IT ALMOST RIGHT AT THEIR DOORSTEP.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT ABOUT THE, THE IDEA FOR PARALLEL PARKING.
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NEXT SHEET, COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE, BOARD MEMBER THORNTON IS HERE AT 6 0 5.WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PARALLEL OR YEAH, YEAH.
SO THE NEXT SHEET SHOWS YOU THE PARALLEL PARKING.
SO THAT DECREASES THE RIGHT OF WAY.
NEEDS PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY BACKS THAT OFF OF THOSE PROPERTIES A LITTLE BIT, UH, BUT STILL GIVES YOU A GOOD SIDEWALK.
UM, THE PARKING COUNT, I BELIEVE IS REDUCED BY SEVEN, I THINK.
WHERE DOES IT SHOW ONE, EACH PHOTO REPRESENT? THIS IS HARD TO UPSIDE DOWN.
I HAVE THEIR PRESENTATION ALSO THAT I CAN SEND TO Y'ALL AFTER WE'RE GOING HAVE ALL THAT STUFF CALLED OUT ON IT.
UM, SO AGAIN, ONCE WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE PARALLEL, WE REALLY WANT TO GET AS MANY PARKING SPOTS AS POSSIBLE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT A COMBINATION OF ANGLES.
SO THE DIRECTION WAS ON THESE PROPERTIES HERE, THE COMMERCIAL ONES ON THE EAST SIDE,
UH, WE'D LOOK AT ANGLED PARKING AND THEN WHERE IT TRANSITIONS MORE TO THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE, THE IMPACTS WOULD BE MORE SIGNIFICANT KIND OF ON, ON THEIR FRONT STEP.
UH, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT PARALLEL TO, TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF THAT.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT, UM, HALF IS LOOKING AT IS THEY DID DO A COMBINATION OF OPEN DRAINAGE AND UNDERGROUND DIRECTION, UH, FROM THE EDC BOARD WAS TO GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE.
SO WE WILL HAVE THE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF WESTIN, MAINE, UH, AS WELL AS SIDEWALKS AND UNDERGROUND ATTENTION.
SO HOW COME WHEN THAT ONE, BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE, THE, UM, OPEN DRAINAGE.
SO THEN THE THIRD SHEET THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, THIRD SHEET, ARE YOU LOOKING AT THIRD SHEET? YES.
SO THAT ONE SHOWS YOU, UH, WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH, UH, SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES FOR MAIN AND LEFT AS WELL AS THE PARK.
SO THEY'RE UPDATING THAT PLAN.
THEY'RE EVALUATING THE, THE NEW DIRECTIONAL CON TO A MIXTURE OF PARALLEL AND ANGLE.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE 30 DEGREE ANGLE EVERYWHERE, UH, TO SEE HOW MANY MORE PARKING SPOTS WE CAN GET.
AND THEN WHY DON'T WE HAVE ADDITIONAL SPOTS HERE, BUT NOT ON THE PREVIOUS MAP? UH, BECAUSE THAT WAS FOR THE, THE DETENTION.
SO IF WE'RE LEAVING IT OPEN HERE, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE PARKING ON THAT SIDE.
THAT ONE DOES PASS ONLY ON TOP ONE.
THIS IS BARE BONES IS WHAT WE CALL
IT IS MINIMAL PARKING POINT TO MAXIMIZE PARKING.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE SOME COST CONSTRAINTS AS WELL AND TIMELINE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE ALL WHAT ARE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT TIMELINE CONSTRAINTS.
UM, THAT, BUT IT, IT IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
THERE'S A LOT OF OVERHEAD, UM, ELECTRICAL AND THEN THERE'S JUST REAL, NOT REALLY ANY EXISTENCE OF A DRAINAGE SYSTEM TO SPEAK OF, UH, ALONG OF THESE CORRIDORS.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING TO CREATE THAT AND WE'RE TAPPING BACK INTO SOME PRETTY OLD VIALS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS DONE MOST RECENTLY, WHICH WAS NOT RECENTLY AT ALL.
SO, UM, BUT THERE WASN'T, IF I'M RIGHT, IT WASN'T DIRECTION BY THE EDC GIVEN, IT WAS LIKE AN OPINION.
AND THEN I THINK WE SAID IT NEEDED TO GO TO OUR, OUR OPINION WAS HAVE GO TO COUNSEL AND COUNSEL WOULD GIVE DIRECTION, CORRECT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T DIRECT ANYTHING AND I TO COUNSEL THAT WELL, AND YEAH.
DIRECTION, BUT ALSO I THINK IT IS IN ADDITION PRIORITIZED.
SO WE WE HAVE TO PLAN ON SOMETHING AND THEN GO GET THE BUDGET FOR THAT.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA KNOW AHEAD OF TIME.
WE CAN'T GET A BUDGET FOR ALL FOUR SCENARIOS OR WHATEVER IT IS.
AND WHAT'S THE MAJOR CONSTRAINTS HERE? THAT OF, IS IT LIKE MAXIMIZE PARKING VERSUS TIME AND BUDGET? WELL, THE BUDGET, WE DON'T KNOW.
I THINK THE BUDGET PER PARKING PLACES.
I THINK THE BUDGET'S OBVIOUSLY A HUGE ONE.
BUT FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO VALUE ENGINEER IT OR DO WE WANT TO BUILD DOWNTOWN THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THAT GONNA COST? MY, I'M OF THE OPINION THAT WE SHOULD GO DO IT ALL RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YEAH, LIKE OVER HERE AT WEST AND WHERE SHORT STREET USED TO BE, YOU'VE GOT DRAINAGE ISSUES.
WHICH I DEALT WITH WHEN I WAS IN THAT HOUSE AND OH YEAH.
AND THE WATER BACKED UP IN THE YARD EVERY TIME.
SO I DON'T WANT TO PUT THAT ON ANYBODY.
SO I, I KNOW IT'S GONNA COST MORE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
BUT, UM, WE'RE DOING, DOING THE UNDERGROUND, GETTING ALL THE ANGLED PARKING, NO.
UH, 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE THEY EVEN TEACH THAT ANYMORE IN DRIVING SCHOOL.
AT LEAST PEOPLE DRIVE LIKE THEY DON'T
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THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY OPINION ON THAT.I ALSO THINK THE FINAL SOLUTION HAS TO PAY INTO ACCOUNT THE UNKNOWN HERE.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE WHATEVER ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CON STREET DOESN'T HAVE TO BE COMPATIBLE.
WHAT WE THINK IS GONNA MAY GO INTO THIS.
I KNOW WE DON'T, WE CAN'T NAIL IT DOWN, BUT WE HAVE TO KIND OF RESTRICT WHAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE DOING ON THE SIDE.
AND SO MY, AGAIN, MY OPINION ON THAT IS THIS IS ALL EVENTUALLY GONNA BE COMMERCIAL.
SO I'M NOT AS WORRIED ABOUT LIKE, NECESSARILY WHAT WE NEED TO GO TRY AND ACQUIRE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE, I MEAN IF WE'RE DOING PARALLEL AND, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA DO ANGLE HERE.
I'M JUST SAYING IF WE WERE TO DO A PARALLEL AND THEN EVENTUALLY COME BACK AND DO ANGLE, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO TAKE NO, NO.
I'M SAYING IS THAT NOW ARE WE GONNA UNDO THIS? NO, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA DO IT.
TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT WE MOST LIKELY WE'LL BE DOING ON THE NORTH SIDE.
BUT I THINK THE DRAINAGE IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE ALL DOING UNDERGROUND.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE OVER THESE, THESE OPEN.
YOU DO THE
SHANE, WHEN YOU SAY BECAUSE OF TIME CONSTRAINTS, WHO PUT THE TIME CONSTRAINTS ON? LIKE, THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A YEAR PROJECT.
THIS COULD BE WALKING AND WE DO ONE ROAD EVERY TWO OR THREE YEARS.
WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DISCUSSED IT, UH, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A WHOLLY OWNED EDC PROJECT.
AND THE TIMELINE THAT WAS GIVEN IS WE WANT, UH, WELL ONE, IT WAS JUST THE SEGMENT OF CON AND THEN WE ADDED THOSE.
SO THAT'S GONNA EXPAND THE TIMELINE ANYWAY.
BUT FOR DESIGN, WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE THE DESIGN COMPLETE BY THE END OF JANUARY OF 2027.
SO GO TO CONSTRUCTION IN 2027.
DEPENDING ON THE SCOPE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE'LL GET DONE.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE CAN PHASE IT AND WE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY OPTIMIZATION PROJECT.
AND I'M TRYING TO MAKE THOSE NOT OVERLAP SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TWO SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS GOING ON TO TWO MAIN CORRIDORS TO THE DOWNTOWN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AT THE SAME TIME.
THAT WOULD KIND WITH EVAN TO ME, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW TO MAKE THIS ANGLE ON BOTH SIDES.
HOW MUCH MORE RIGHT OF WAY? HOW MANY MORE FEET? WELL, WAIT, LEMME ASK YOU THIS.
WHAT'S THE ORANGE? THE ORANGE IS SIDEWALK.
HOW WIDE IS THAT SIDEWALK? OOH, GOOD QUESTION.
AND SO I THINK THIS GETS INTO OUR CONVERSATION.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GREAT WHEN THE, UM, PROBLEM WE PASS THESE MASTER PLANS AND THE CONSULTANT IS PAINTING THIS IZATION OF THINGS WHERE THEY HAVE LIKE 15 FEET OF SIDEWALK AND YOU'VE GOT A SHARED USE PATH AND THAT LOOKS GREAT.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU HAVE TO IMPLEMENT IT AND THEN YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TRI QUADRUPLED OUR FLIGHT OF MAINTENANCE.
AND THEN I WOULD, PART OF ME SAYS PEOPLE WOULD BE JUST AS STATIC IF YOU HAD A FOUR, SIX FOOT WHITE SIDEWALK INSTEAD OF A DITCH.
IF WE GO TO EIGHT OR 10, THEN IT'S LIKE WE'RE REALLY, I DON'T KNOW, THE FUTURE MAY NOT BE AS MUCH PARKING AS WE THINK, BUT WE'RE LIMITED OUR PARKING BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA, IF WE HAVE A SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF A CON, I THINK YOU GOTTA HAVE ON THE NORTH ALSO.
'CAUSE THEN THEY'RE GONNA COME BY AND GO, WHY THE HELL DID YOU NOT HAVE SIDEWALK THERE? AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, IT'S 10 GOES WIDE.
AND THAT'S ALMOST LIKE NUMBER, THAT'S ALMOST LIKE ANOTHER LANE OF TRAFFIC.
SO THE, UH, THEY'RE SHOWING ONLY SIDEWALKS.
THE ONES THAT ARE LIKE NOT RUNNING ANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, THEY'RE JUST GETTING YOU DOWN THE STREET.
YOU CAN GET AWAY TO GETTING THOSE DOWN.
THE FIVE FOOT WIDTH, THEY'RE PRETTY CONSISTENTLY, WHEN YOU GET IN FRONT OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, YOU GENERALLY WANT TO EXPAND BACK OUT BECAUSE MANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WANT TO END UP HAVING A LITTLE TABLE SITTING OUT FRONT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND YOU NEED THE EXTRA WIDTH IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE.
SO YOU USUALLY SEE IT SWELL BACK UP TO LIKE 10 FOOT IN FRONT OF COMMERCIAL.
IF YOU'RE GONNA ACCOMMODATE THAT.
IF YOU'RE NOT, THEN YOU JUST DON'T.
AND I COULD SEE, I COULD SEE 10 DOWN, LIKE SHOULD IN FRONT.
I COULD SEE DOWN LIKE EAST STREET WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT STUFF.
BUT IF YOU'RE DOING 10 FOOT SIDEWALKS, THIS IS 10 FOOT SIDEWALKS PLANNED EVERYWHERE.
THEN I'M LIKE, THEN I COULD SEE MORE FIVE.
AND THEN YOU PICK UP THAT FIVE FOOT 10, 10 FOOT SIDEWALKS FOR MULTI-USE PATHS.
THEY SHOULD BE THE SPINE OF OUR TRANSPORTATION NETWORK FOR PEDESTRIANS.
NOT EVERYWHERE THAT A PEDESTRIAN CAN GO LIKE A SCHMIDT.
BASICALLY IF YOU LOOKED AT THE CITY AS A WHOLE AND YOU WERE JUST PLANNING LIKE HOW COULD PEDESTRIANS GET FROM NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST? THOSE CORRIDORS SHOULD BE WHERE YOUR MULTI-USE PATHS ARE.
LIKE THE SEWER AND WATER IS THE SAME TYPE THING IN A TRUNK.
AND I'D RATHER HAVE FARLEY THE PEDESTRIAN PRIMARILY AND PONDING MORE VEHICULAR GOING INTO THE TOTAL.
WELL, I I WOULD ACTUALLY ARGUE THE OPPOSITE SIMPLY BECAUSE FARLEY STREET DEAD ENDS INTO THE BACK OF THE GIN BUILDING, WHEREAS VEHICLE ON STREET, THERE'S WALKABILITY ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
WELL, FARLEY CANNOT HAVE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC INTO THE CAR.
BUT PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ALSO DOESN'T FLOW VERY WELL
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INTO THE BACK OF THEWELL, TO JIM'S POINT, SO YOU CAN'T GET CARVE DOWN FARLEY.
SO WHERE DO THEY PARK THE CHURCH? BECAUSE WHEREVER THEY PARK, THAT'S GOING TO BE WHERE THE MOST OF THE PEDESTRIANS ARE.
WALK YOU'RE WALKING, RIGHT? MM-HMM
BECAUSE IF YOU PARK ON, LET'S SAY IF YOU PARK ON A BIG GARAGE, SHARE A PECAN, THEN YOU'RE GONNA MIGRATE DOWN AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA GO TO WHAT FARLEY OR YOU GONNA GO DOWN TO PECAN OR I THINK THINGS LIKE THAT.
I THINK YOU PROBABLY GO DOWN PECAN.
AND TO EVAN'S POINT EARLIER, WE'RE KIND OF BUILDING FOR THE FUTURE, IF WE'RE ANTICIPATING ALL OF IT TO BE COMMERCIAL, THIS WILL BE THE CORRIDOR FROM THE CO-OP TO DOWNTOWN.
AND THEN PEOPLE WILL GO DOWN MAIN AND WEST AND EAST AND ALL OF THAT FROM ON MIDDLE OF THE, THE THE CO-OP BUSINESS.
IF YOU EXCLUDE THE CITY HALL IS FAR STREET ISN'T IT?
SO PECAN STREET IS WHAT GOES INTO JACK ALLEN'S.
IT GOES STRAIGHT OVER INTO THE PARKING GARAGE.
IT'S ACTUALLY, SO DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH MORE RIGHT OF AWAY WE NEED ON PECAN TO MAKE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES? UH, I HAVE THAT IN INITIAL PLAN SET AND I CAN SHARE THAT.
WHAT DOES THAT GIVE SIGNIFICANT? IS THAT TWO FEET OR TWO FEET? NO, IT WOULD BE DOUBLE WHAT YOU SEE HERE.
SO, SO IT GOES FROM SEVEN TO 15.
WELL, SOMETHING IN ORDER MATTER APPROXIMATELY.
I THINK THAT YELLOW LINE, LIKE OUR CENTER LINE.
SO IT WOULD BE THE EXACT AMOUNT TO THE OTHER SIDE.
15 FOOT AND THEN THE FIRST OFFICE, TWO FOOT.
SO IT'D PROBABLY GO LITTLE PAST THIS BLUE.
IS THAT BLUE? THAT BLUE LINE GO PAST? DOES ANYBODY HAVE A SCALING ROOM THERE? HEY, WHERE'S YOUR, WHERE'S YOUR PLANS? 18.5 PLUS SIX PLUS EIGHT.
YOU CAN DO IT REALLY EXACT SAME THING.
WELL, LIKE HOW MUCH RIGHT AWAY IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE COLON.
SO IT'D BE AN ADDITIONAL 32 FEET AT LEAST POSSIBLE BECAUSE THE PARKING IS APPROXIMATELY 18 FEET DEEP.
THERE'S RIGHT, I'M SAYING ACCORDING TO THIS, IT'D BE 18 AND A HALF FOR THE PARKING, IT'D BE SIX FEET FOR THE TREE SLASH LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND THEN AN EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK.
RIGHT? BUT WHAT, WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THIS SPACE NOW? 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT, RIGHT? YOU ASKED HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL, RIGHT OF WAY, ROB, YOU SAID 32 FEET, BUT YOU TOLD ME 18 FEET PER THE PARKING SPOT YOU TOLD ME EIGHT FEET FOR THE, UM, SIDEWALK AND SIX FEET FOR THE TREES.
AND, AND YOU'RE GONNA BUILD ALL THAT AFTER THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THERE'S ALREADY A RIGHT, THERE'S IS THAT EIGHT TO 10 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY THE NORTH SIDE OF A POND.
WHAT'S THAT RIGHT OF WAY SPACE.
WHERE WHICH THAT YOU LOOKING AT THE BLUE LINE TO THE, THE CURB RIGHT NOW, THE ANGLED PARKING THAT I SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
15 FEET SCALE ON THIS, THAT INCH QUARTER RIGHT THERE.
LOOKING AT THE, THE SCALE RIGHT THERE.
I ALREADY KNOW WHAT THIS IS, THIS IS EXACTLY HAPPENING, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
SHOULD WE FEEL LIKE WE JUST WANNA GET THE, THE MAXIMUM AND THEN IF WE NEED TO PEEL BACK FROM THERE, IF THAT'S HAPPEN INCH, IT'S 15 FEET, I CAN MAKE THIS.
I KNOW THIS IS EXACTLY, WE ADJUST THE SCALE.
WE HAVE TO KNOW WE HAVE TO SPEED HOW MANY FEET OF RIGHT AWAY WE NEED.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE CAN'T GO ANY FURTHER SOUTH ON
WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT LOT OPPORTUNITIES ON THE NORTH SIDE.
SO DO WE WANNA HAVE THEM GO AHEAD AND DON'T DESIGN? I AT LEAST, AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO CONSTRUCTION, THEN WE CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION OF WHAT SEGMENTS AND HOW FREQUENTLY AND HOW MUCH WE WANNA DO JUST BASED ON BUDGET.
WHAT YOU THINK, I MEAN, DOES THE 20 YEAR LAND AT LEAST YOU AT LEAST WE CAN SEND AT LEAST YOU GOT THE DESIGN RIGHT? A HUNDRED PERCENT.
I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE WANT ANGLED PARKING ALL THE WAY DOWN.
WE WANT ANGLED PARKING ON BOTH SIDES.
STREET, MAIN STREET, SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.
THAT WOULD BE IDEA DESIGN AND THEN WE COULD PHASE IT OUT.
JAMES, YOU'RE SAYING LIKE ON
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10 FOOT ON BOTH SIDES? YES.YOU NEED ONE 10 FOOT ON ONE SIDE, ONE SHARED USE PATH.
AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE COULD BE FIVE, THE OTHER SIDE COULD BE FIVE.
BECAUSE EFFECTIVELY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF YOU'RE ON A BICYCLE, IF YOU ARE JOGGING OR IF YOU ARE PUSHING A STROLLER, THEN YOU'RE GENERALLY GONNA BE ON THE SHARED USE PATH.
AND IF YOU'RE JUST WALKING, MAYBE YOU'RE PUSHING A STROLLER, YOU'RE GONNA BE ON THE FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK THAT'S JUST 10 FOOT TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO PASS EACH OTHER GOING DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY EARLIER.
HAVING BEEN A YOUNG MOM WITH A TWIN STROLLER AND A BABY IN THE CARRIER.
UH, IF YOU'RE WALKING WITH A FRIEND TOO, IT'S NICE TO NOT HAVE TO ALL STOP AND GET OVER TO THE SIDE AND TRY TO WHEEL THAT THING.
AND SO, AND IT ALSO ALLOWS, IT ALSO ALLOWS, IT ALSO ALLOWS OVERTAKING, SO IF YOU'RE RIDING A BICYCLE AND YOU'RE COMING UP ON SOMEONE WHO'S PUSHING A STROLLER, YOU CAN PASS THEM SAFELY.
SO ON PECAN, DO WE WANT THEM TO COME BACK WITH THAT BACK TO US WITH A PROPOSAL BASED ON RIGHT OF WAY IMPACTS ON WHICH SIDE OF THE STREET TO DO THE 10 FOOT? OR DO WE WANNA JUST TELL THEM WE WANT IT ON THESE PROPERTIES? SCARE ME WITH THE 10 FOOT.
I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.
WELL, ON THE SOUTH BECAUSE THEY'LL BE COMMERCIAL.
WELL, THEY YES, BUT LIKE THIS ONE HERE DOESN'T HAVE ANY MORE.
THESE ONES FRONT STEPS, THEY DON'T.
BUT YOU GOTTA HAVE IT BE, IT'S GOTTA BE CONSISTENT, SO MM-HMM
THESE TWO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I, I MEAN, I WOULD JUST, WE'RE ALREADY UP ON THE BUILDINGS HERE BECAUSE I ONE, WELL, THE OTHER THING TOO IS IF WE DIDN'T DO EXACT SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE, IF WE TOOK MORE RIGHT OF AWAY FROM THE NORTH AND THEN JUST ADJUSTED SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO NOT BE ON THE FRONT PORCH OF SOME OF THOSE OTHER ONES.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE HAVE THEM JUST DO BEST FIT, BUT THAT SHRINK THE WIDTH, THE SIDEWALK.
YOU MAKE UPWARD ON THE NORTH SIDE.
THE ONLY THING WITH THAT IS THAT YOU'D HAVE TO BUILD A FULL SEGMENT IN ORDER TO GET THAT SHARED USE PATH ON WHICHEVER SIDE IT ENDS UP BEING ON.
BECAUSE YOU MAY NOT HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO DO JUST ONE SIDE.
I YOU GET OVER HERE, YOU'D HAVE THE ROAD, YOU'D HAVE EVERYTHING GO UP A LITTLE BIT AND THEN GO DOWN, MOVE THIS, UH, I KNOW I'M A DREAMER HERE, BUT LIKE I'M THINKING IN 20 YEARS YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT HOUSE WHERE THE DENTIST IS.
IT'S NOT IN OLD TOWN HISTORIC.
SO IDEALLY THAT WOULD BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN PERFECT WORLD RIPPED DOWN, YOU HAVE THIS NICE, BEAUTIFUL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? OR FOR A BAR, BAR THERE, IT'S AN OFFICE BILL SAYING FOR ATTORNEYS COMES THE CITY HALL.
I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW LIKE WHAT'S, WHO WENT THE ONE THAT'S THE BAR? BECAUSE THAT'S, IF IT, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A OPTIMIZED ROAD WIDTH, THERE'S ALSO, IS THAT LIKE, OH NO, WHAT'S THE ROAD WIDTH? 14 FEET CAN BE 12 OR SOMETHING.
I MEAN, IF WE CAN ROB A FOOT OR TWO THERE AND WE, AND MAYBE THE TRUNK LINE ISN'T 10 FEET, MAYBE IT HAS TO BE EIGHT FEET BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, HEY, AT EIGHT FEET WE ONLY NEED TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, 10 FEET ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AND WE COME OUT, WE GET RIGHT AWAY FOR 10 FEET AT LEAST WE HAVE A PLAN TO WHERE, UM, OVER THE NEXT YEAR TO HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES, WE WOULD HAVE SOMETHING NO ONE HAS DONE YET FOR OLD TOWN, WHICH NO ONE HAS PUT A PLAN TOGETHER AT ALL.
WE JUST SIT AROUND AND B***H ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE'S PLAN.
WELL, WE JUST START IMPLEMENTING IT.
THEN THE LAST PLAN GOT VALUE ENGINEERED FOR WHATEVER REASON AND DIDN'T END UP FLOODING SOME BUSINESSES.
AND YOU'RE GOTTA DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, EVEN IF IT TAKES AN ORDER.
AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE THIS SIDE ABOUT LIKE ALLEYS AND STUFF, THESE ALLEYS THAT ARE BACK IN HERE AND THEN WE TALKED ONCE ABOUT, SO WE'RE GONNA, WE KEEP AN ALLEY THAT WE'RE YEAH, I THINK WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, AND THAT WAS FROM OUR, OUR DOWNTOWN WALK FROM THAT HARD HOPS AND HAPPY HOUR WHEN WE PUT IN SOME GOT IN OUR STEPS, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT CLOSING THIS ALLEYWAY BETWEEN EAST AND MAINE BECAUSE THEY'D STILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS HERE FROM PECAN FOR SERVICE TO ALL THESE BUSINESSES IN HERE.
THAT WAS, WHEN YOU SAY CLOSED CHANEY, WHAT? CLOSED THROUGH TRAFFIC.
LIKE ABANDON IT BECAUSE DON'T WE HAVE TO, DON'T WE HAVE TO? ISN'T THAT TECHNICALLY ON THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY RIGHT NOW? WHICH COME, WHY, WHY WOULD WE CLOSE IT THAT? WELL, I WOULD LOVE TO INFILL THAT WITH ANOTHER STOREFRONT.
WELL THAT WILL WORK THAT WAY BECAUSE WHEN YOU ABANDONED THAT HALF GOES TO THIS GUY AND HALF GOES TO THIS GUY.
AND SO THEN MARIO'S PICKED UP EIGHT FEET.
AND SO THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GONNA GET A S STOREFRONT THERE IS IF MARIO SELLS TO TEXAN AND THE TEXAN SELLS TO MARIO.
AND THEN WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE CAN'T MAKE THAT PART OF THE ACQUISITION.
A LOT OF THE ALLEYS ARE USED FOR DELIVERIES.
THEY MAY HAVE WASTEWATER INSIDE OF THEM
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OR OTHER UTILITIES.SO YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THAT.
AND THERE'S ALSO SOME TRASH BINS BEHIND MARIO'S AND, BUT WE, THEY STILL HAVE HERE FIGURE OUT WHAT UTILITIES ARE OR NOT IN HERE.
BUT YEAH, I DO THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
WE ALSO NEED TO, UH, START MAKING SURE PEOPLE AREN'T USING ALLEYWAYS INAPPROPRIATELY.
BECAUSE YOU DO GO TO SOME ALLEYWAYS, AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD, UM, PEOPLE POUR, UM, ASPHALT ON SOME, WE'VE HAD ONE THAT HAD GRAVEL POURED OVER IT MM-HMM
AND THIS ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A ROAD THROUGH HERE.
EVEN THE INTERSECTIONS SET UP LIKE, IT'S LIKE A ROAD, BUT THAT'S REALLY AN ALLEYWAY.
BUT ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE, THAT'S ENTRY INTO THE CITY
OH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING THAT OUT TO 1660 ON THE WEST SIDE.
THIS ISN'T, UH, THIS ALLEY ISN'T THAT WIDE IN REAL, IN REALITY.
BUT THERE WAS TALK OF GOING, I HAVE THAT GO ALL THE WAY UP TO 1660, THE, UH, WESTBOUND ONE WAY.
NO, YEAH, NO EGRESS ONTO 1660, EG.
SO I HAVE DESIGN FOR FUEL BUILDOUT THINKING.
20 YEAR PLAN WILL, THEY'LL PROBABLY COME BACK WITH A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS ALONG PECAN TO SHOW THE DIFFERENT RIGHT OF WAY IMPACTS WITH THE DIFFERENT SIDEWALK SIZES ON NORTH AND SOUTH.
UM, AND KIND OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION OF WHERE TO PUT THAT AND HOW MUCH RIGHT OF WAY TO, TO GO AFTER ON BOTH SIDES.
AND THEN, UM, WE'LL LOOK AT THE HISTORIC STATUS OF THE BUILDINGS.
ARE YOU LIKE A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE.
DO YOU WANT US TO JUST DOUBLE CHECK? NO, DOUBLE CHECK.
I, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE IN HISTORIC.
I THINK THEY'RE IN, UH, THEY'RE IN OLD TOWN, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE A PART OF HISTORIC.
WELL, AND ALSO THE STRUCTURES.
AND THEN WE'LL GET, WE'LL HAVE DIMENSIONS ON ALL THOSE ELEMENTS TOO.
I'LL HAVE THEM ADD IN ALL THOSE DIMENSIONS SO WE CAN SEE ALL THAT STUFF EASILY.
AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT UTILITIES AND ALLEYWAYS.
THE MANUFACTURER OF THE BUILDING, YOU'VE GOT TWO TREES HERE BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE PARKING.
AND HERE WE LOSE TWO PARKING SPOTS TO PUT A TREE.
SOME OF THESE MAY BE EXISTING.
SO I KNOW THAT WHEN THEY DID THIS BEFORE, THEY WERE TRYING TO OPTIMIZE KEEPING EXISTING TREES AS WELL.
WELL, IT'S LABELED AS ANYTHING GREEN WITH A PLUS IS LABELED AS PROPOSED TREE.
WELL, SO TO ME IT'S NO TREATMENT.
YOU HAVE ELECTRICAL IN EVERY TREE AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF.
OTHERWISE THAT BECOMES PROBLEM LATER.
ELECTRICAL DROP, YOU'LL SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
YOU'RE SAYING GET RID OF A TREE.
THERE'S SOME TREES HERE AND SOME TREES HERE GOING DOWN THE ROAD.
AND THEN THE ONES HERE TAKE OUT PARKING SPOTS.
AND SO WHY WE DON'T HAVE THE TREES ALL THE WAY.
SEE YOU'VE GOT TWO TREES HERE BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE PARKING.
THEN WE TAKE OUT PARKING, WE MOVE ONE HERE, AND THEN WE'VE GOT A TREE.
AND TO ME, LIKE IF THIS ONE WORKED, WHY DOESN'T THAT WORK RIGHT THERE? YOU GOT THAT ONES? 'CAUSE THE ENTRY, IF YOU LOOK THE SIDEWALK, YEAH.
JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR A PARKING SPACE THERE BECAUSE OF THAT DRIVE.
SO THERE DRIVEWAY THE TREE HERE, WHICH DRIVE THIS? YEAH, NO, THAT RIGHT THERE.
AND ACCESS HERE AND ACCESS HERE.
WHAT THIS IS BETWEEN THIS MARK AND ARE WE RIGHT UP, ARE WE RIGHT UP ON THE BUILDING OR IS THERE TWO OR THREE MORE FEET RIGHTS EITHER THERE TO WHERE, BECAUSE I SEE WHAT IT IS.
THE SIDEWALK GOES UP, THEY PUT DOWN, WE HAVE TO GIVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SPACE FROM THE DRIVEWAY CAN FROM A CORNER.
SHE, AND, AND THERE IS A LOT OF WISDOM IN IN DOING IT ALL.
TAKE THAT DRIVEWAY AWAY AND THEN DECIDING THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD IT ALL.
DO YOU TAKE THAT DRIVEWAY AWAY AND SAY THEY HAVE TO PARK ON THE UH, I DON'T THINK SO.
THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE CURB.
THEY DON'T HAVE AN ALLEY GET INTO THEIR, UH, YEAH, THEY ALLEY.
APPARENTLY WE DO THAT AN ALLEY.
IT IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE A DRIVE.
THEY ALREADY HAVE A DRIVE YOU TO PROTECT IT.
YOU GUYS ARE SAYING SOMETHING.
IT DOESN'T EXIST IN OTHER CITIES WHEN THEY PLACED ON A DRIVEWAY.
THEY COME OUT AND PUT CURB CLOSE ON A DRIVEWAY AND THEN THE PROPERTY HAS NO DRIVEWAY ANYMORE.
YOU HAVE DIFFERENT, YOU HAVE DIFFERENT ACCESS POINTS.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, HERE ON, UM, ON FARLEY, UM, THIS AREA HERE, YOU GOT S ALL OVER, HE'S GOT AN ALLEY WITH A DRIVEWAY.
AND SO THIS GUY UTILIZES OUR RIGHT OF WAY TO PUT BENCHES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND SO IF WE COME IN HERE AND PUT ANY PARKING ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS MM-HMM
HE ALREADY HAS, HE HAS THREE DIFFERENT DRIVEWAYS TO GET IN.
SO WHY DOES HE NEED THESE TWO?
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WHY CAN'T HE JUST USE THIS ONE HERE? YOU JUST HAVE TO ASK THE ATTORNEYS BECAUSE, UM, I'M OPERATING UNDER THE, IF THERE IS A, A DRIVE THAT'S ALREADY THERE AND IT'S ALREADY, THEREFORE IT'S PROTECTED AND WE CAN'T JUST COME AND TAKE ARE THEY ALWAYS PROTECTED? WHEN I YOU JUST CAME, UH, THIS WAS ON, UH, CROSS TURN SIX EIGHTY FIVE THAT CALL THAT CURB CUT.THAT'S BETWEEN THE, THE NEW FIRE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING AND UH, AND UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE, THAT CURB CUT THAT TO THE EAST.
THAT'S STATE THAT, THAT'S STATE.
BUT ON THE CITY ROAD, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT STOPS US FROM SAYING, HEY, YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATE PATH TO GET TO.
YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT, BUT THIS DRIVEWAY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO US ANYMORE.
CROSS, I THINK YOUR CHARTER USUALLY PROVISION THAT IT SAYS THAT YOU ARE THE KING OF YOUR STREETS.
IF THERE'S A YEAH, IF THERE'S A GARAGE THERE, I WOULD SAY NO.
BUT IF IT'S A DRIVEWAY AND IT PULLS INTO, IT'S IN OUR RIGHT OF WAY, I THINK WE WOULD'VE THE ABILITY TO NOTIFY THEM THAT YOU'RE ALL GONNA HAVE TWO ACCESS.
I MEAN, DISCLAIMER, ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE DRIVING BY THE HOUSE? S WHERE THE LEY WHERE THE, BUT THAT'S A GENERAL FOOD COURT.
YOU CAN PUT A SIDEWALK THERE OR YOU COMPLETE YOUR DRIVE DRIVEWAY THERE.
BUT IF THE CITY WANTS TO UTILIZE THE RIGHT OF WAY, THEY CAN ASK YOU TO REMOVE THAT OR REMOVE IT FOR YOU.
SO THAT'S A GENERAL MOVEMENT FOR YOU.
SO WHAT, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT JAMES IS ON THIS PEON STREET, IS WHAT DOES THIS DRIVEWAY GO INTO? IS IT NO, NO.
I'M TOTALLY TRACKING WHAT YOU'RE TRYING.
I'M NOT IN A, IT IS JUST GOING INTO A PARKING LOT.
WE SAY, LOOK, YOU GOTTA START USING THE ALLEYWAY.
I'M, I'M USED TO THAT BEING CONSIDERED A TAKINGS BECAUSE I HAD A DRIVEWAY, I HAD THAT USE, I HAD THAT ABILITY TO USE MY PROPERTY THAT WAY.
AND YOU'VE TAKEN IT FROM ME, SO THEREFORE YOU OWE ME OR YOU CAN'T DO IT.
AND MAYBE IT'S, IF YOU'RE LIKE, WELL WE SPEND MONEY AND FIX IT, I JUST BUYING THEM AWAY.
BUT MY FIRST RESPONSE IS, IS THAT THEY'RE PROTECTED AND THAT YOU CAN'T JUST FORCIBLY TAKE THEM AWAY.
SO HE'S GOT AERIAL, THEY HAVE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FIVE ACCESS BLOCKS TO THEIR OH, THAT WAS THE NO, NO WAS SAYING HERE, HERE THEY LIKE, HERE HERE'S THE PICTURE.
SO THAT DRIVEWAY GOES TO A PARKING LOT AND THERE'S AN ALLEYWAY RIGHT HERE.
I'M JUST SAYING YOU JUST MOVE THE DRIVEWAY AND YOU IMPROVE THAT PART OF THE ALLEYWAY AND YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE ABANDONING THAT AND YOU CAN NOW PARK THE SAME WAY YOU'RE PARKING THROUGH AN ALLEYWAY.
AND IF THEY WENT A TAKING, THEN WE'D JUST GO TO COURT AND GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS.
BUT I'M LIKE, IF WE'RE GONNA START DOING PARKING, HERE'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
EVERY TIME YOU TAKE A RIGHT AWAY, EVERY SINGLE PERSON, WE ALREADY HEARD IT WITH THE ONE WAY.
SOME OF THE BUSINESSES ARE LIKE, WHAT DIDN'T HELP ME? AND SO BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HELP ME, I'M AGAINST IT.
AND IT'S LIKE, THAT'S WHY NOTHING HAS HAPPENED IN DOWNTOWN.
BECAUSE IF EVERYBODY DOESN'T GET EVERYTHING EXACTLY DONE THE WAY THEY WANT IT, THEN THEY'RE AGAINST IT.
AND I THINK AT SOME POINT WE JUST GOTTA AGREE TO A THING AND GO, LOOK, SOME OF YOU ARE NOT GONNA BE HAPPY.
AND THE MAJORITY OF US, YOU WANTED SOMETHING DONE IN DOWNTOWN, THAT'S FINE.
JUST AS LONG AS YOU'RE AWARE THAT YOU'RE LIKELY TO, TO BE PAYING FOR THOSE IS ALL I DAD ONE THING, THE ITY OF TRAVEL.
SO LIKE IF YOU'RE CHANGING THESE TO ONE WAYS INSTEAD OF TWO WAYS, GOT CHAPTER 18 EXCLUDES THAT AS A, JUST BECAUSE YOU, YOU AND YOU SEE THE, UH, TEXT.DO IT ALL THE TIME.
IF THEY PUT LIKE CONCRETE MEDIAN BETWEEN THE STREETS AND LIMIT THE LEFT TURNS THAT THAT'S ALLOWED BECAUSE THAT, ALL THAT MEANS IS YOU HAVE A A, A LONGER WAY TO GET TO SOMEPLACE.
THAT'S THE, IT'S DEFINED IN CHAPTER 18.
THAT CONCEPT OR THE, UH, ITY OF TRAVEL IS NOT THE TAKE.
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING THEIR ACCESS.
WE'RE JUST, THEY'RE MORE CONVENIENT.
THIS, IT'S MORE OF A CONVENIENT THAN WE'RE BARRING THEM FROM THEIR PROPERTY ACCESSING THEIR PROPERTY.
WELL WE MIGHT BE ADDING WELL THAT'S GOOD.
WE MIGHT BE ADDING IMPROVEMENTS STUFF OFF THE OFFSET THEIR CLAIMS. YEAH.
AND THEN IF THERE'S A SECTION OF PLAN AND THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE WAY WE, WE WAIT AND MAYBE THAT'S JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WE COULDN'T GET 20 PEOPLE TO SIGN THE RIGHT OF ENTRY.
OKAY, THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON.
AND THEN AS SOON AS THEY SAID, WELL WHY AREN'T YOU BUILDING SIDEWALKS? BECAUSE YOU HAVE 20 NEIGHBORS WHO ARE STOPPING IT.
AND AS SOON AS THEY SIGN THE DOCUMENTS, WE'RE GONNA PUT IN 2 MILLION IN SIDEWALKS.
WHEN ARE YOU GONNA DO BLAH, BLAH BLAH.
BUT WE'RE WAITING FOR THIS LAST THING.
AND WHEN IT'S DONE, WE ALREADY GOT IT DESIGNED TO PLAN.
THAT'S WHY EVERYTHING ELSE GOT DONE.
BUT IF IT'S A SMALL HOLDOUT LIKE THAT AND OUR ATTORNEYS SAY, LOOK, YOU GAVE HIM A DIFFERENT ROUTE, YOU IMPROVED.
IT WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND THIS.
THAT'S UH, THAT'S PROBABLY FOUR PARKING SPOTS RIGHT THERE.
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DRIVEWAY THAT IT MAY NOT NEED.COULD GO, COULD GO RIGHT TO THERE.
AND IT'S JUST GOING TO A PARKING LOT.
THIS IS SPOT WHERE HE PUTS HIS TRASH CANS.
IT, IT'S TRANSPORTATION CODE SECTION 3 11 0 0 1 PROVIDES THE HOME RULE CITY HAS EXCLUSIVE CONTROL OVER AND UNDER THE PUBLIC HIGHWAY STREETS AND ALLEYS OF THE CITY.
THE AUTHORITY INCLUDES THE ABILITY TO CONTROL, REGULATE OR REMOVE AN ENCROACHMENT OR OBSTRUCTION, UH, STREET OPEN OR CHANGE A PUBLIC STREET AND MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO STREETS.
MY OLDER EMPLOYER'S, A QA OUTTA TL IS WHAT MY EMPLOYER WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE A PLAN WITH THE CITY TRANSPORTATION.
WE WOULD TALK THEM INTO SOMETHING AND THEN THEY WOULD SAY, THIS DOESN'T WORK.
WE'RE GONNA COME OUT AND MAKE YOU TAKE IT OUT.
AND EITHER WE WOULD DO IT VOLUNTARILY OR THEY WOULD COME OUT WITH THEIR OWN CREW AND THEY WOULD PUT A MEDIAN AND WE JUST DID IT TO EMORY FARMS. WE TURNED THAT, UH, FULL ACCESS POINT TO A RIGHT IN ONLY.
THE NICE THING ABOUT THIS PROJECT TOO IS THAT WE HAVE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY ON MAIN AND WEST.
SO WE CAN ALWAYS START ON THOSE STREETS TOO.
WHILE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THESE MORE CHALLENGING COMPLEX ISSUES ON PECAN TOO WHEN IT GETS TO CONSTRUCTION.
SO IT'S, WE CAN HAVE THE, THE SHORT TERM IMPACT OR MORE IMMEDIATE IMPACT BY STARTING ON THOSE STREETS AS WELL.
SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF FING IT ON THIS ONE.
UM, MY COMPUTER'S ABOUT TO DIE.
I AM GONNA SWITCH TO MY PHONE.
SO IF SOMEONE CAN LET ME IN ON THERE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
CAN DO WE, AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT HAS THE MAXIMUM.
WHAT IS THE, ACTUALLY WHAT IS THAT DRAINAGE? WHAT IS IT? WE OWN THIS.
SO WHERE DO WE WANT THE DRIVEWAY TO BE? WHERE YOU WANT WE GET TO DICTATE IT.
RIGHT? AND SO THERE'S NO HIGHWAY BEHIND.
WE CAN PUT IT ON THE FAR WE CAN PUT ON HERE, BUT LIKE WHEN THE DRIVEWAY IS RIGHT HERE, IT KNOCKS OUT THEY GOING TO TWO PARKING SPOTS ON THAT WHOLE SECTION IN THIS FOUR.
BUT IF YOU, IF WE LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU COULD PUT DRIVE THE DRIVE.
THERE'S A DRIVEWAY ON THE BARLEY.
WE COULD EITHER UTILIZE THAT THEN OR WE ON THE PROPERTY.
DOES IT NEED A DRIVEWAY? YEAH.
THAT'S THE THING IS THESE, IF THESE PROPERTIES SHIP TO COMMERCIAL, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE SERVICE ACCESS, IF THEY EVEN NEED LIKE BIG DUMPSTERS, MOST, MOST OF 'EM CAN PROBABLY GET BY WITH JUST A STANDARD BINS.
BUT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT TOO, THAT WE NEED THAT SAME KIND OF SERVICE AREA ACCESS THAT WE HAVE OVER BY MARIO'S, ET CETERA.
AND THAT ALLEYWAY WE'RE, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO TRY TO MAINTAIN THAT FOR SOME OF THESE OTHER BLOCKS TOO.
TO ALLOW, WOW, I TAKE THIS RIGHT HERE.
THIS ONE'S ON FARLEY AND MAINE.
BUT THEN THEY DON'T NEED TO DRIVE IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
LIKE WE DO LIKE SOME SORT OF COMMUNAL ALLEYWAY SERVICE ACCESS.
I'M SAYING IT DOESN'T NEED, IT DOESN'T NEED ANYTHING.
ONE, WE OWN IT, BUT WHEN THEY NEED TO PUT TRASH CANS OUT, THEY CAN PUT IT OUT ON
IT DOESN'T NEED A COMMUNAL SHARE.
YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT
I'M JUST SAYING LIKE IF SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES TURN OVER, THEY MAY BE CREATING LARGER FOOTPRINTS OF BUILDINGS THAT REQUIRE DUMPSTERS VERSUS TRASH BINS.
THAT'S THAT'S A PLANNING THING.
WHEN THEY, WHOEVER, IF THESE PEOPLE BUY THE LOT EDC OWNS IN ONE, UH, DUMPSTER, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THEY NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO.
YEAH, BUT I WOULDN'T DESIGN THIS.
I WOULDN'T DESIGN PARKING AROUND WHAT SOMEONE ELSE MAY HAVE AN ISSUE.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO LIKE AUSTIN AND STUFF, NEW YORK CITY, THEY, I MEAN THEY FIGURED OUT YOU GOT SOME BUILDINGS ON THE ROAD AND AS SOON AS YOU GIVE 'EM OPTIONS, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THE OPTION IMPACTS US THE MOST.
AND I'M JUST SAYING SINCE WE OWN THE LAND, WE SHOULD TAKE THAT DRIVEWAY OUT PARKING THERE.
AND UM, YOU GOT SEE PROBLEM WITH THAT? NO.
WHO ARE WE SELL IT TO? WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE RIGHT NOW EITHER.
SO I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE SWITCH C WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM IN THE ROOM TO ALLOW TWO MEMBERS RIGHT ON THE SCREEN.
SO YOU CAN'T TAKE ACTION FOR HDC.
IT'S BECAUSE THE LAW SAYS THAT PUT ON THE PERSON WHO ATTENDS BY CONFERENCE CALL ATTENDS FOR ALL PURPOSES.
THE THEN SAYS YOU STILL NEED A PRE A QUORUM PRESENT.
THAT'S WHY I NEEDED SEE, TAKE ACTION.
'CAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL TAKES ACTION IN DC WHAT TO DO.
I EVERYBODY LIKES THAT FORMAT, BUT I MEAN FOR SURE THE EDC KICKS IT BACK OVER TO COUNCIL ANYWAY.
BUT RIGHT NOW YOU'RE JUST PROVIDING DIRECTION TO STAFF SO YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO WORD IT.
MOTION FOR, UH, THE DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH, UH, FULL BUILD OUT WHATEVER.
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PARKING FOR ALL ANGLED ON EAST WEST AND, UH, AND PECAN BOTH, BOTH SIDES.UH, WELL, I, I HADN'T, I HADN'T GOT A SECOND YET.
UH, ARE WE LOOKING AT ABOUT UM, 30 AND 60 DEGREES? IS THAT A DIFFERENT 45, 30 AND 30 AND 45.
BASED ON THE UH, BASED ON THE, ON THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE NEED TO ACQUIRE.
60 WOULD BE SOME ANGLE AND 45 IS YEAH.
30 MORE LIKE PARALLEL PARKING.
JUST SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING HERE, HERE, MAXIMIZE PARKING.
WHAT, WHAT SIDE SIDEWALKS DO YOU WANT THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT? SO, SIX FOOT CLOSE.
WELL, I CAN'T GO OUT LIE HONESTLY.
I'D LIKE 10 FOOT ON ON I GUESS 10 FOOT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF PECAN.
NORTH SIDE WOULD BE WHATEVER, FIVE OR SIX FEET.
PROBABLY WHERE YOUR 10 FOOTERS BELONG? HONESTLY, LIVE OAK.
BECAUSE LIVE OAK WILL EVENTUALLY GO ALL THE WAY DOWN AND ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
SO EVERYTHING FIVE FOOT? YEAH, FIVE.
SO FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS ACROSS EAST MAIN AND PECAN PEON.
AND THEN, UM, WE'RE TAKEN OUT THE DRIVEWAY BY THE EDC PROPERTY.
I IS THERE A DRIVEWAY EVEN THERE? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
WE JUST TALKED ABOUT FOR 10 MINUTES.
I DIDN'T SEE ONE THAT'S RIGHT THERE.
OH, IT'S ON THE IT'S ON THE, YEAH, IT'S ON MAIN.
SO YOU GUYS KILL IT? IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE THINKING? KILL THAT.
AND THEN WE SAID, WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE WE SAID? OH, THAT OTHER PROPERTY.
ARE WE KILLING THE DRIVEWAY ALLEY? WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO EVALUATE.
WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO EVALUATE ABANDONING ALL AVAILABLE DRIVEWAYS IN EXCHANGE FOR PROVIDING PARKING.
AND THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA SAY IT'S 1 0 7 MAIN WAS ELIMINATING THE DRIVEWAY.
WELL LUCKILY IT'S BEING RECORDED.
LEMME GO BACK AND CAITLIN'S TAKING GREAT NOTES.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I'VE MISSED TO CLARIFY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN THERE AND WE WILL CALL THE, ANY DISCUSSION I GUESS.
UH, AND THAT WAS ALRIGHT THEN I'LL CALL TO VOTE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.
DO THAT OR I'LL LET YOU DO THAT.
COUNCIL MEMBER BUTTON OR NO? NO, GO AHEAD.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE CHAIR OF THE EDC.
[4.2. Discussion and possible action on a strategic approach to Downtown Investment and Redevelopment. (Cheney Gamboa)]
GO ON.DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION ON A STRATEGIC APPROACH TO ADD THAT INVESTMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT.
UH, SO THIS ALSO COMES BACK FROM THE EDC MEETING, UM, DISCUSSION ON A DOWNTOWN STRATEGY.
UM, WANTED TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE, THE GROUP TO KIND OF GET ON THE SAME PAGE.
UH, AT THE END OF THE MEETING, BOARD MEMBER SNYDER HAD MENTIONED FOUR AREAS OF FOCUS BEING DRAINAGE, WALKABILITY, PARKING, AND REDEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO GET SOME CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL AS WELL THAT THOSE ARE THE PRIORITIES THAT WE WANNA FOCUS ON.
AND THEN I DO ALSO HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT IS HOW TO HELP PRIORITIZE AND KIND OF HONE IN ON THAT STRATEGY, UM, THROUGH SOME PROPOSED PRIORITY ZONES.
UM, WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN.
I'M SORRY I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO MAKE SHAPE.
THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE I, I FIGURED WE'D PROBABLY GET TO CONSENSUS PRETTY QUICKLY.
THIS IS JUST A DRAFT, ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T SAY DRAFT ON IT, BUT YOU WANNA MARK DRAFT ON IT FINE AS WELL.
UM, SO I WENT THROUGH AND JUST LOOKED AT, AND THIS IS JUST A, A DRAFT PROPOSAL.
WE CAN SHIFT IT HOWEVER YOU WOULD LIKE
UM, BUT BASED ON WHERE OUR CURRENT COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ARE AND SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON, I PUT ZONE ONE FROM MAIN STREET TO 1660 FROM 79 UP TO PECAN.
ZONE TWO IS FROM MAIN STREET OVER TO WEST AND UP TO PECAN.
AND THEN ALSO THE NORTH SIDE OF PECAN STREET.
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ZONE THREE WOULD BE UP TO LIVE OAK BETWEEN WEST AND 1660.AND THEN ALSO JUMPS ACROSS 1660 AND CAPTURES SOME OF THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE KICKING OFF OVER THERE AS WELL.
AND THE ITEMS THAT WE ARE COMPOSED UPON, REPEAT THEM? YEAH, SORRY.
UH, DRAINAGE, WALKABILITY, PARKING AND REDEVELOPMENT.
DRAINAGE WHAT, SORRY? DRAINAGE, WALKABILITY, PARKING AND REDEVELOPMENT.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT IT DEVELOP MEANT WHEN YOU SAID REDEVELOPMENT? UH, THERE WAS NOT, THAT WAS NOT EXPANDED UPON.
SO IF YOU'D LIKE FURTHER CLARIFICATION, ANYTHING WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
I JUST SAID REDEVELOPMENT, LIKE THE, THE INSTANCE THE HOUSE WE PURCHASED MM-HMM
THAT THE PLAN IS TO TEAR THAT DOWN AND HAVE IT READY FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO COME IN.
REDEVELOP PAIRING DOWN THE, UM, NON HISTORIC CHAMBER BUILDING, REDEVELOPING THAT, AND THEN TAKING THE EMPTY LOTS AND REDEVELOPING THOSE, UH, INTO REBUILDING EACH STREET.
AND THEN, UM, IT'S JUST OUTSIDE OF ZONE THREE.
UM, BUT SOME PEOPLE LOOK AT IT AS DOWNTOWN, BUT LIKE THE OLD, UH, THINGS LIKE THE OLD POST OFFICE, JUST AS OPPORTUNITIES COME UP, UM, WHERE WE CAN PURCHASE SOME, FIND SOMEONE WHO WILL DEVELOP THEM IN A MANNER THAT WE WANT THEM TO AND BECOME A PARTNER AND THEN EXIT OUT.
SO WHAT I UNDERSTAND REDEVELOPMENT TO MEAN IS INCREASING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF COMMERCIAL SPACE EFFECTIVELY, RIGHT? SO IF WE'RE BUYING VACANT LOTS, IT'S TO BUILD MORE COMMERCIAL SPACE.
IF WE'RE PURCHASING BUILDINGS, IT'S TO EITHER REDEVELOP EXISTING OR TEAR IT DOWN AND ADD MORE.
SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT ADDING COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE.
IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT? MM-HMM
SO WE WOULD BE BUYING THESE PROPERTIES OR UNLESS WE ALREADY OWN THEM AND MAKING THEM READY TO BE PURCHASED AND DEVELOPED MM-HMM
OR IT COULD BE, THIS COULD ALSO HELP PRIORITIZE FOR THE EDC AND CITY WHERE THEIR INCENTIVES GO TO.
IF IT'S ABOUT A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND A REDEVELOPMENT.
IF WE'RE PRIORITIZING ON ZONES, THEN THAT KIND OF HELPS GIVE SOME GUIDANCE TOO AS FAR AS, HEY THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY FAR OUTSIDE OF ANY OF OUR PRIORITY ZONES.
SO MAYBE THEY'LL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW ON THE GRACIE 1 0 1 0 7.
SO TO ME THAT'S A REDEVELOPMENT.
WHERE YOU KEEP THE FRONT FACADE UP.
MM-HMM TEAR EVERYTHING DOWN TO TEAR UP THE SLAB, REDO THE ENTIRE THING, STEEL STRUCTURE, MAKE IT READY FOR THE NEXT A HUNDRED YEARS AND THEN REDEVELOP IT.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING IN ALMOST A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS INTO THAT.
BUT NOW THAT'S TWO BUILDINGS DONE ON E STREET.
WHEN GOD WILLING, AT SOME POINT WE'LL HAVE THE WHOLE THING REBUILT.
A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW IT'LL STILL BE STANDING BUT HAPPY FOR ANY OTHER, WE JUST CAME UP WITH THAT.
I DON'T REMEMBER HOW WE GOT TO, BUT DRAINAGE IS A COMPLAINT THAT EVERYBODY HAS DOWN THERE.
WALKING, BUILDING MORE DRAINAGE IS A
ARE WE LOOKING AT SOMETHING OVERALL DRAINAGE, WHICH I THINK FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, THINK ALL THE GRADES ARE RIGHT? ARE WE STARTING TO DO AN OVERALL DESIGN AND THEN DO PHASES FOR THE BUILDS? OR DO WE DOING DESIGN PHASES? I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND, FIRST THE ENGINEER'S GONNA HAVE TO TELL US WHAT WE NEED.
I THINK WE'RE HAVE TO PARTNER, THE CITY'S GONNA HAVE TO GET IN AND IF I HAD TO WORK IT BACKWARDS IN PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE ONE.
WHERE'S ALL THE WATER WE GOTTA GO TO? YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN OVERALL, YOU BUILD THAT AND THEN YOU COME UP MAIN STREET AND WEST STREET AND YOU HAVE TO PUT ALL THAT IN UM, TO WHERE IT FLOOD.
EVERYTHING FLOWS STRAIGHT AWAY.
'CAUSE IF YOU FIX YOUR DRAINAGE AT ONE SPOT UP NORTH TO, SO MY POINT WAS IS THAT I THINK THE, THE DESIGN COST MAY BE GREATER.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO LOOK FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, YOU WANNA LOOK AT YOUR FLOODPLAIN AND MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF THAT.
AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DATA ALREADY EXISTS FOR UH, ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND THINGS.
BUT WE HAVE A DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN.
I'M NOT SURE WHEN THE DOWNTOWN DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN WAS DONE, UH, OR HOW FREQUENTLY THOSE SHOULD BE UPDATED, BUT WE'RE WE'RE UM, LOOKING AT THAT MAP AND YEAH.
LOOK AT THE PRE-EXISTING PLANS AND UPDATE.
WE, THE SCOPE OF THE OVERALL DRAINAGE MAY BE LARGER THAN WE NEED DESIGN COSTS UP THERE, BUT WE CAN PHASE IT IN AND DO THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
YEAH, WE JUST CAME HERE AND WAS ALL THIS PARKING IS ADDED IMPERVIOUS TO THE AREA THAT ALREADY FLOODS FLOOD.
WE KIND OF SAID ON A DC THAT WE DON'T WANNA SHORT CHANGE AND GO, LET'S ADD SOME PARKING.
WE'LL FIGURE OUT THE DRAINAGE LATER.
FIX THAT AND THEN 'CAUSE OTHERWISE TO WHAT THE MAYOR PRO SAID, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK BACK IN 10 YEARS, THEY'RE GONNA FORGET WHO, WHO VOTED OR WHAT.
THEY'RE JUST GONNA BE MAD THAT IT WAS ALL KIND OF HALF DONE.
WHERE IF WE DO IT RIGHT, IT MAY TAKE LONGER BUT
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EVERY TIME MAKE WE AT THE HAVE DRAINAGE, WE HAVE THIS KIND OF DRAINAGE AND WE USING IT BELOW GROUND.SO IT'LL LOOK LIKE THE OTHER SIDE.
SO WE'D PUT THE PARKING ON THAT SIDE AS WELL.
SO THIS IS JUST BASED ON THIS DESIGN HERE.
SO IT WOULD BE OPEN DRAINAGE DITCH ON THIS SIDE.
SO NOW OF THE DIRECTION HAS BEEN, NO, WE'RE GONNA DO THE SAME THING OVER HERE.
BUDGET TO GET THAT BUILDING UNDERGROUND.
DRAINAGE IS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE.
SO IT'S GONNA VARY IT, BUT THAT'S WHAT GIVES YOU THE USABLE SPACE.
TO USE ON TOP OF WHY WE'RE GOING ONE SPACE, ONE ON TWO SPACE.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSED LIKE PRIORITY THOUGH? OH, AND IT'S REALLY JUST MEANT TO KIND OF HELP GUIDE DECISION MAKING AS FAR AS PROPERTY ACQUISITION, INCENTIVES, PROJECTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ZONES.
I LIKE THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, LAID OUT LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT IF SOMETHING CAME UP IN ZONE THREE THAT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, BYPASS IT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOT EVERYTHING IN ZONE TWO THAT WE WANT.
CHANGES ANY, ANY IDEAS ON THE STRATEGIC APPROACH THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT? NO.
I'LL BE AT A DOWN THE TEXAS DOWNTOWN CONFERENCE IN NOVEMBER, SO I HOPE TO BRING BACK SOME REALLY GOOD INFORMATION FROM THAT CONFERENCE.
KIND OF, UM, CASE STUDIES, BENCHMARKS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO I WOULD ASK THAT WE MAYBE POSTPONE UNTIL I GET BACK FROM THAT CONFERENCE AND CAN SHARE THE WEALTH OF
WHAT UH, PRO PROGRESSING THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR DOWNTOWN? JUST FROM WHAT OUR APPROACH IS.
LIKE WE HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION HERE, BUT AS FAR AS LIKE THE HOW AND KIND OF WHAT ELEMENTS THE, THAT WE CAN MAYBE IMPLEMENT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER AND KIND OF BALANCING THOSE THINGS WITH THE LARGE PROJECTS LIKE THIS, BUT ALSO THE SMALLER YEAH.
SO THE NEXT QUARTERLY MEETING, WE'LL WE'LL MAKE A DECISION.
OR I'LL AT LEAST HAVE A DRAFT FOR YOU GUYS TO POKE HOLES IN AND ALRIGHT.
ANYTHING ELSE WE WANNA TALK ABOUT? UH, THE CITY COUNCIL.