* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. ALL RIGHT SIX O'CLOCK. [1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER] [00:00:02] CALL THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR THURSDAY, OCTOBER 15TH, 2026 ORDER. I'LL START ROLL CALL. COUNCILMEMBER REYNOLDS. HERE. COUNCILMAN THORNTON? HERE. MORRIS. HERE. COUNCILOR DEPEDA. HERE. COUNCILOR KING. HERE. HERE. MAYOR STORRS HERE. FIRST [4.1. Discussion and Possible Action on Parks CIP and Transportation Updates (Kate Moriarty)] ITEM IS ITEM 41, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON PARK CIP AND TRANSPORTATION UPDATES. OKAY. SORRY FOR THOSE OF YOU ON THAT SIDE OF THE TABLE. I THINK, UM, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AMSTER IS GOING TO TRY AND GET THE SIDE SPUN UP. UM, I CAN PRINT OUT THE SLIDES REALLY QUICK. OKAY. WE'LL JUST GO ABOUT IT THAT WAY. HEY, GOOD EVENING, KATE MORIARTY. UM, WE'RE GONNA BE GOING THROUGH A FEW PARKS PROJECTS. UM, OF COURSE, WE CAN DISCUSS MORE. WHAT I'VE PRINTED OUT FOR YOU ARE THE PARKS THAT I HAVE SLATED FOR DISCUSSION AND SOME EXCERPTS FROM OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN. I DID NOT PRINT THE ENTIRE THING BECAUSE IT'S 90 PLUS PAGES. SO THIS IS JUST SOME INSIGHT INTO WHAT THE MASTER PLAN RECOMMENDED, ILLUSTRATED FOR THE THREE PARKS WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING. SO GO TO OUR FIRST ONE. OKAY, CREEKSIDE PARK IMPROVEMENT. SO THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD MET YESTERDAY EVENING AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THEIR ORDER OF, UM, PRIORITIES OR ORDER OF RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, CURRENTLY, THERE IS A MILLION AND A HALF BUDGETED FOR THIS. YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT THIS MILLION AND A HALF WAS PREVIOUSLY SLATED FOR A DISC GOLF COURSE AT THE SAME PARK. AND, UH, TO MY UNDERSTANDING WITH PRIOR STAFF, THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO FIND AN APPROPRIATE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM FOR THE DISC GOLF COURSE, AND THAT WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL. WE COULD CERTAINLY GO BACK OUT FOR AN RFQ AND GET SOME QUALIFIED CONSULTANTS AND EFFECTIVELY PROCEED WITH THAT, THAT PREVIOUS SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. UM, BUT REALLY LOOKING FOR DISCUSSION THERE. UM, PARKING LOT CONSTRUCTION IS OF COURSE THE FIRST PRIORITY FROM THE PARKS BOARD. RIGHT NOW, THE PARKING LOT THAT IS AT THIS PARK IS GRAVEL, GRAVEL DIRT. UM, SO HAVING AN ACTUAL PARKING LOT THERE IS RECOMMENDED IN THE MASTER PLAN, RECOMMENDED BY YOUR ADVISORY BOARD. SPECIFIC TO THE RESTROOM, ON ANOTHER SLIDE, I HAVE A FEW SLIDES PER PARK. UM, THE RESTROOMS ARE OUT OF SIGHT AND A BIT REMOVED FROM THE PLAYGROUND AREA, WHICH ISN'T NECESSARILY AN OUTRIGHT ISSUE, BUT WHEN YOU'RE THINKING OF WALKING TO KIDS OR LETTING KIDS GO TO THE RESTROOM ON THEIR OWN, THAT CAN BE A BIT CONCERNING FROM A PARENT'S PERSPECTIVE. AND THEN I JUST WANNA FLAG FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT, THIS PARK DOES NOT HAVE A PLUMBING CHASE, WHICH IS DIRECTOR WHITE HAS TOLD ME WHAT THAT IS. THAT IS A SEPARATION THAT ALLOWS MAINTENANCE STAFF TO ACCESS PLUMBING SHOULD ANYTHING BE AN ISSUE WITH THE CURRENT RESTROOM THE WAY THAT IT IS. IF THEY WERE TO ACCESS OR NEED TO DO ANY MAINTENANCE ON THE PLUMBING, THEY WOULD NEED TO, TO BREAK THE WALL AND DO SOME PRETTY, UM, INVESTED WORK. GOING BACK TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THE PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT, IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S A BIT DATED, BUT IT'S FUNCTIONAL. IT'S FINE. IT'S STURDY. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. UM, AND THEN I CAN HAVE DIRECTOR WHITE SPEAK TO THE REST OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT JUST KIND OF WANTED TO ILLUSTRATE THE TOP THREE FOR YOU ALL FOR THE TIME BEING. THESE ARE, THIS IS EFFECTIVELY A SUMMARY OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED IN THE MASTER PLAN. SOME OF THESE HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE. THE BRIDGE HAS ALREADY BEEN PAINTED AS RECOMMENDED HERE. UM, SPOKE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DISC GOLF COURSE. OTHER THAN THAT, REALLY OPEN FOR DISCUSSION ON CREEKSIDE PARK, IF THERE IS ANYTHING. DO YOU WANT THE DISCUSSION AS WE HIT THE PARKS OR YOU WANT IT AT THE END AND THEN DO IT? I WOULD PREFER AS WE GO, BUT Y'ALL ARE THE, THE DRIVERS OF THE SHIP, SO WHATEVER WORKS BEST. OR I CAN KEEP GOING. I'LL START WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S. OKAY, PARKING LOT. SO WHY IS ASPHALT OR CONCRETE IMPORTANT VERSUS A CRUSTONE OR SOME KIND OF PERVIOUS PARKING? PRIMARILY ACCESSIBILITY. UM, IF YOU HAVE A WHEELCHAIR USER OR, UM, SOMEONE WHO HAS ASSISTANCE WHEN WALKING, THAT'S KIND OF THE PRIMARY POINT OF CONSIDERATION. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN SPEAK TO THERE? THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S IT. SO WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE A PATH ONCE I PARKED OR IS IT LIKE SOME OF OUR PARKS ARE THE PARKING LOT AND THEN YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN? MM-HMM. YES. SO [00:05:01] THERE IS A CONCRETE PATH. IT IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INTERCONNECTED TRAIL. SO THE PARKING LOT CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE CONNECTING TO THAT CONCRETE TRAIL THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. SO CAN WE DO PART OF THE PARKING TO BE ASPHALT CONCRETE? THE REASON I'M WONDERING IS WE PROBABLY SPENT MY TIME ON COUNCIL, ALMOST AS MUCH ON PARKS AS WE HAVE ON ROADS IN THE CITY. MM-HMM. BUYING PARKS, REBUILDING PARKS, AND EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS, THERE'S GOTTA BE A WAY TO DO SOME OF THIS STUFF TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE CHEAPER. AND THEN THE RESTROOM, ARE, ARE WE TALKING REHAB OR REBUILD BECAUSE THE PLUMBING'S IN THE WALLS? IT'S A, IT'S A REBUILD. I, I THINK THE ADVISORY, THE PARKS BOARD, JEFF, YOU WANNA SPEAK ON THIS? YEAH. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL. UM, YEAH, THE, THE RESTROOM IS 20 PLUS YEARS OLD. IT'S KINDA SEEN AS BETTER DAYS. UH, IT DOES NOT HAVE A PLUMBING CHASE, AND THE PLUMBING CHASE IS BASICALLY THE STORAGE AND MECHANICAL ROOM. SO WHEN IT DOES DIP BELOW COLD WEATHERS, WE HAVE TO WINTERIZE THE PARK AND THEN WE HAVE TO OPEN IT BACK UP WHEN IT EXCEEDS ABOVE 32. AND WE HAVE TO KINDA GO BACK AND FORTH THROUGH THE JANUARY THROUGH APRIL TIMELINE OF DOING THAT. UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE - ON THE RESTROOM, LIKE IT'S AT, UH, IT'S GONNA BE AT THEIR GAME? YEAH, JUST BE A TWO, TWO HOLE OR RESTROOM, WHAT THEY CALL THERE. SO IT'D JUST BE NOT MEN TO WOMEN, BUT JUST UNISEX BOTH SIDES. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT AT OUR GAME WITH, WITH, IF THAT RESTROOM WAS BUILT AND OPERATING, IT WOULD NEED TO BE WINTERIZED? NO, NOT AS MUCH BECAUSE THE, THE CHASE HAS A HEATER IN THERE AND ALL THE PLUMBING PIPES ARE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT CHASE. SO WE COULD CONTROL THAT WITH EITHER HEAT TRACES OR, UH, MODIFIED, UH, HEATING SOURCES IN THERE TO KIND OF KEEP THE PIPES. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, NOT AS MUCH? SO, LIKE, I'M USED TO SOMETHING BEING WINTERIZED. IT EITHER IS OR ISN'T. WHEN YOU SAY NOT AS MUCH, IT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS ARE STILL DOING SOMETHING. YEAH, IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE WEATHER TOO. SO IF IT'S ONE OF THOSE COLD SPELLS WHERE IT COMES DOWN AND WE GET THAT NORTHERNER AND IT'S 20 DEGREES, WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S PROTECTED. IF IT'S ONE OF THOSE WHERE IT'S KINDA BEEN COLD, IT DROPS BELOW 30 AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE NIGHTS WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO WINTERIZE. SO IT KINDA DEPENDS ON THE WEATHER. SO SHOULD WE BE BUILDING RESTROOMS TO HANDLE 20 DEGREE WEATHER SO THAT WE DON'T - NO, WE SHOULD BUILD THEM A CHASE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE AND BETTER USE, BETTER, BETTER HAVE ACCESS IN CASE SOMETHING DOES BREAK. OKAY. AND THEN, SO THE RESTROOM, WE SAID, OKAY, THE RESTROOM'S KINDA REMOVED FROM THE PLAYGROUND. THE RESTROOM NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND THE PLAYGROUND NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. AND SO SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT... YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WE GOTTA REDO THE PLAY, IF WE GOTTA REDO THE RESTROOM BECAUSE TWO PART WORKS ON THE PLAYGROUND, WE GOTTA REBUILD EVERYTHING, SHOULD WE BE BUILDING EVERYTHING IN THE EXACT SAME SPOT OR SHOULD THE RESTROOM COME CLOSER TO THE PLAYGROUND OR THE PLAYGROUND COME CLOSER TO THE RESTROOM OR BUILD THE PLAY WHAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I - YEAH. I HATE TO BUILD THE SAME THING AND THEN LET'S LOOK BACK AT FIVE YEARS AGO, DAMN, IT'S STILL TOO FAR AWAY. BUT RIGHT NOW, THE RESTROOM IS CLOSER TO THE PARKING LOT. MM-HMM. IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE PARKING LOT. SO IF YOU MOVE THE RESTROOM CLOSER TO THE PLAYGROUND, THEN YOU'RE AWAY FROM THE PARKING. BUT IF YOU MOVE THE PLAYGROUND CLOSER, YOU'D BE CLOSER TO THE PARKING. SO WITH, WITH MOVING THE RESTROOM, THAT ONE, IF YOU RECALL, CAPLAN, UH, MEMO OUT EARLIER, THAT WAS ON A, UH, BASICALLY IT'S ON A LITTLE LIFT STATION THERE. I REMEMBER THE PUMP BROKE AND SO WE HAD TO CLOSE IT DOWN FOR EXTENDED, EXTENDED TIME. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THAT ONE ON THE WASTEWATER LINE. SO THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, A CHALLENGE IN MOVING THAT BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE TO MODIFY WHERE THAT WASTE GETS DISPOSED AT. IF YOU WANT TO SPEND A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS ON THE PARK, WE'D PROBABLY DO IT RIGHT THIS TIME, RIGHT? YEAH. THE PLAYGROUND THOUGH, DOES IT, WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE REPLACED? I MEAN, MY KIDS PLAY THERE ALL THE TIME. IT'S IN PRETTY DECENT SHAPE. UH, IT, IT'S, IT'S FINE. IT'S JUST OUTDATED AND IT'S ABOUT 20 YEARS. AND SO THE GENERAL TIMELINE FOR PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENTS IS 15 TO 20 YEARS WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE, UH, REPLACED. IS IT A SAFETY ISSUE? NO, IT'S NOT MORE OF A SAFETY ISSUE. IT'S MORE AS AESTHETICS AND A LITTLE BIT OF SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S HARDER TO GET PARTS IF WE NEED TO REPLACE THEM. I'VE HAD A COUPLE, TAKE OUT A COUPLE AMENITIES THERE JUST BECAUSE IT'S HARDER TO, TO GET THE PARTS TO REPLACE THEM. WHAT MAKES A PLAYGROUND OUTDATED? LIKE THEY DON'T USE THE SEESAWS AND THEY - NO, JUST THE LIFESPAN OF THE, OF THE EQUIPMENT. THEY DON'T HAVE THE PARK OR SOMETHING. THE GENERAL RECOMMENDATION FOR PLAYGROUND MANUFACTURERS OR THAT'S WHAT IT IS. MAYBE THIS, THIS, THAT PLAYGROUND'S IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE BECAUSE IT'S NOT SHADED, SO IT'S KIND OF AVOIDING A LOT OF SUN EXPOSURE. THAT'S OUR THIRD MOST IMPORTANT THING THEY WANT DONE IS PLAYGROUND OVER FIELD IMPROVEMENTS, TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS, NATURE TRAILS, WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M READING THAT IS, RIGHT? I WOULD, I MEAN, I WOULD - THEY'RE NOT ALL, BUT THAT'S THEIR RANKING ORDER. I WOULD THINK FIELD IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE MORE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT PARK HAS BECOME A SECONDARY PLACE FOR A LOT OF TEAMS GO PRACTICE [00:10:01] WHEN THEY CAN'T ACCESS THE SOFTBALL FIELDS OR THE OTHER SOCCER FIELDS, LIKE THE ONES BY STING. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY PRIORITIZE IT THAT WAY, BUT I WOULD SAY THE FIELDS NEED MORE IMPROVEMENT OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY ROUGH AND THEY DO GET A LOT OF USE. AND, YOU KNOW, IF I COULD CHIME IN HERE REGARDING THE PARKING LOT, I WOULD THINK THAT, THAT WE WOULD WANNA PUT ASPHALT THERE FOR ADA COMPLIANCE. MM-HMM. MAYBE NOT, MAYBE NOT ALL OF IT, SOME OF IT. RIGHT. TO THE MAYOR'S POINT EARLIER, WE COULD DO ENOUGH CONCRETE ASPHALT FOR LIKE TWO OR THREE ADA SPACES AND THEN - ISN'T THAT WHAT'S THERE? LITERALLY WHAT I JUST SAID. OH, SORRY. NO, I DIDN'T SAY IT OUT LOUD. HE JUST SAID IT FOR ME. IT WAS GOOD. BUT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ONE OR TWO ADA PARKING ON CONCRETE AS IT IS. AND THE REST IS, IS THE, IS THE COLLEGE OR WHATEVER. UH, NO. COUNCILMAN PORTERFIELD IS RIGHT. THERE'S A TWO CONCRETE PARKING SPOTS THERE FOR ADA. THEY'RE PRETTY DECENT SHAPE. THEY'RE PRETTY DECENT SHAPE. BUT THERE'S SOME CRACKING AND, UH - MAYBE THEY NEED TO BE LIKE RE - MAYBE SMOOTHED OVER BUT NOT TAKEN OUT. I MEAN, WHAT DO I KNOW? I DONT KNOW HOW TO BUILD PARKING LOT. THERE'S CRACKING. I MEAN - WHAT DO I SAY? IS IT LIKE, HERE'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE. THE GOVERNMENT ALWAYS WANTS YOU JUST TO TEAR EVERYTHING OUT AND REBUILD EVERYTHING. AND WE DO THAT AND, AND WE END UP WITH A GREAT PARK AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF PARKS WE CAN'T AFFORD. IS THERE A MAINTENANCE THING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO IT TO WHERE FOR $20,000 THE CRACKS ARE BUILT IN, IT WORKS? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT AN ASPHALT GUY, BUT IF IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, LIKE, IS IT WORTH SPENDING TWO OR $300,000 TO GET EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE WHEN - I, I WOULD THINK IF YOU FILL IN THE CRACKS AND THEN JUST DO A TOP COAT OVER IT, REPAINT THE, THE, THE LAWN. OR IF YOU JUST CARRY THE ROAD BASE ALL THE WAY INTO THE PARKING LOT AND THEN - WELL, Y- Y'ALL DON'T HAVE TO SOLVE THE, THE HOUSE. YOU, YOU JUST NEED TO DECIDE. WE DON'T WANT TO REBUILD IT. WE WANT TO REHAB IT AND THEN WHATEVER THAT IS. WE DON'T KNOW. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT STAFF IS SAYING IS REBUILD IT. AND WE START QUESTIONING, WELL, IT COULD BE REHABBED. AND WE'RE LIKE, WELL, BEFORE I MAKE A DECISION ON REHAB OR REBUILD, WHAT'S THE REBUILD COST? IF YOU SAY IT'S $400,000 AND A REHAB IS 30 AND IT COULD BE REHAB, WELL, THAT'S A NO-BRAINER. BUT IF YOU TELL US IT'S 300 TO REBUILD AND 280 TO REHAB, WELL THEN I FEEL LIKE WE PROBABLY NEED TO REBUILD IT. I, I JUST DON'T KNOW. WE CAN DEFINITELY EXPLORE WHAT THOSE ANTICIPATED COSTS ARE AND COME BACK WITH THAT INFORMATION. IF, IF STAFF UNDERSTANDS THAT THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN EXPLORING, WE CAN SPEND SOME TIME THERE AND, AND COME BACK WITH SOME MORE INFORMATION. A DUMB QUESTION, UH, DIRECTOR WHITE, BUT DURING ICES, ICE STORMS, THINGS LIKE THAT, DO YOU GUYS HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND SALT ALL THE CONCRETE? UH, NOT ON THE TRAIL, WE DON'T. OKAY. BUT I MEAN, LIKE, IF IT WAS HANDICAP PARKING AND ALL THAT, THAT'S GETTING - UH, WE DO ALL THE, THE HANDICAP PARKING. SO IF THERE'S A LOT MORE CONCRETE OUT THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE WORK THERE AS WELL. HEY, HERE'S MY THOUGHT. THE BEST AMENITIES AT THE CHEAPEST PRICE. OKAY. IF THE PLAYGROUND IS IN GOOD CONDITION, JUST BECAUSE SOME CONSULTANT SAYS, "WELL, EVERY 15 YEARS YOU REPLACE IT." THE PEOPLE WHO PUT THE PARKS, MASTER PLANS TOGETHER GET PAID TO DESIGN PARKS. RIGHT. AND SO IF THEY TOLD YOU YOU DIDN'T NEED ANY MORE PARKS, THEY'D GO OUT OF BUSINESS. MM-HMM. AND THEN THE PEOPLE WHO SELL PLAYGROUNDS FOR A LIVING, THEY GOTTA PUT A NUMBER ON THERE, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S LIKE, THAT'S WHY CANNED FOOD EXPIRES AFTER TWO YEARS AND YOU CAN EAT AT FOUR BECAUSE YOU... I MEAN, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU GUYS ARE REALLY LIKE, LOOK, THE PLAYGROUND HAD TO BE REPLACED AND HE SAYS IT DOESN'T, MY OPINION, YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN SHOW US THIS THING WITH IT ON THERE BECAUSE EVEN STAFF SAYS IT REALLY DOESNT NEED TO BE REPLACED. BUT THEN IF IT'S LIKE THE PARKING LOT, HEY, WE CAN KEEP THE SAME THING, DON'T NEED TO DO THAT. I MEAN, THE RESTROOM, IF IT'S GOTTA BE REDONE, THEN I THINK WE GOTTA SAY INSTEAD OF REHAB, WE GOTTA SAY IT NEEDS TO BE A REBUILD. YEAH. AND THEN, UM, AND THEN LIKE, I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE PETTY AND PICKY, BUT I'M LIKE, IF YOUR GUYS ARE WANTING US TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS, BECAUSE FOR ME, WE, WE OUGHT INVEST IN THE PARKS, BUT THEN THE NUMBER ONE THING I HEAR FROM PEOPLE OVER EVERYTHING IS NOT TO REBUILD CREEKSIDE PARK, NOT TO SPEND A DOLLAR ON ANY PARK, BUT TO BUILD MORE ATHLETIC FIELDS, ATHLETIC COMPLEX. MM-HMM. AND IF WE KEEP SPENDING A MILLION AND A HALF OR TWO MILLION HERE AT THIS PARK AND THREE MILLION OVER HERE AND FOUR MILLION OVER HERE, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE - 10 FIELDS. A BUNCH OF PARKS, AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY FIELDS. SO THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING WHAT CAN WE REALLY DO TO MAKE IT GOOD, SMALL DOLLARS, AND THEN REALLY THROW THE BIG MONEY AT SOMETHING LEGACY TYPE, MASSIVE TO WHERE... 'CAUSE IT'S GOTTA SUCK HAVING YOUR KIDS. MY KIDS USED TO PLAY SOCCER AT TWO DIFFERENT COMPLEXES. AND SO IF YOU GOTTA PLAY BASEBALL OVER HERE IN [00:15:01] THE MORNING, AND THEN YOU GOTTA TRUCK OVER HERE AND PLAY BASEBALL, AND YOU GOTTA GO BACK OVER HERE IN THE AFTERNOON, MAYBE I WANNA QUIT BAS - UH, BASEBALL. THE OTHER THING ABOUT CREEKSIDE THAT ALWAYS BOTHERS ME ABOUT PUTTING MONEY INTO IT IS HOW OFTEN IT FLOODS. MM-HMM. A LOT OF THIS PARK HAS BEEN UNDERWATER MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING WE PUT IN, THE LAST THING I WANNA DO IS SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS AND THEN WATCH A MILLION DOLLARS GET WASHED AWAY SIX MONTHS LATER. YEAH. SO... THAT ALMOST MEANS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE DO PUT IN IS GONNA BE LIKE - FLAT WORK AND OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN. THAT OR LIKE THE PERVIOUS STUFF THAT LIKE, HEY, IT'S CRUSH ZONE AND - YEAH. THAT, THAT WILL WASH AWAY. IN A FLOOD, YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND REDO IT. BUT YEAH, FLAT WORK WON'T. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU DO IN FLOOD ZONES. YEAH, BUT IS CRUSH ZONES LIKE DIMES COMPARED TO ASPHALT SITTING UNDERNEATH WATER AND IT BEING DEGRADED? YEAH, YOU'D PROBABLY CONCRETE. IF IT'S GONNA BE FLOODED, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T USE ASPHALT, YOU'D PROBABLY USE CONCRETE, BUT YES. YEAH. AND MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION ON THIS PARK IS, OKAY, YOU GUYS SAID DISC GOLF, WE DIDN'T GET ANYBODY, WE CAN GO OUT TO RFP. WHY DIDN'T WE GO OUT TO RFP TO BEGIN WITH IF THAT'S WHAT THE PLAN WAS SUPPOSED TO BE? I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER. UM, THAT WAS A, A DECISION BY, BY PRIOR STAFF. UH, I AM GOING TO ASSUME THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT OUR ROTATIONAL ARCHITECTURAL LIST, AND BECAUSE THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY GONE OUT FOR RFQ, AND WHEN THEY WERE REVIEWING WHO THE CONSULTANTS THAT ARE ON THAT ROTATION LIST, AND AFFIRMED THAT NONE OF THEM HAD SUFFICIENT EXPERIENCE TO DO A DISC GOLF COURSE, IT GOT PUT ON PAUSE, AND THEN PEOPLE LEFT. AND SO THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION FOR THIS ITEM TONIGHT. WHERE IS THE PARK ON THAT MAP? UH, IT'S ALL THE GREEN, THE SHADED AREA. WHERE'S PLAYGROUND? I MEAN, I'M SORRY. IT'S AT NUMBER, NUMBER FOUR. IT'S DOWN FURTHER SOUTH. RESTROOMS ARE AT SIX. OKAY. THE ENTRANCE. YEAH, THE PARKING IS SIX. THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY IT'S COME UP AS AN ISSUE, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE A PARENT WITH, YOU'RE A PARENT WITH KIDS AND YOU'RE TRYING TO LET ONE GO TO THE RESTROOM WHILE THE OTHER ONE'S PLAYING OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THERE, IT'S TOO, IT'S TOO FAR APART. WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST ADD A RESTROOM CLOSER TO THE PLAYGROUND? IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A HIGH PRIORITY REQUIREMENT, INSTEAD OF TEARING DOWN OR DOING ANYTHING TO THE OLD ONE, JUST PUTTING A NEW ONE CLOSER TO THE PLAYGROUND. WE COULD DECOMMISSION THE OLD ONE, TURN IT INTO PARKS HEADQUARTERS. YEAH, YOU COULD DEFINITELY HAVE A SECOND ONE, OR AT LEAST THE SINGLE STALL ONE. YEAH, CLOSER TO THE - BUILD ONE STALL, YOU MIGHT AS WELL BUILD TWO. UM, ONE, ONE OTHER THING, AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS WAS ARTICULATED YET, AND SO I DON'T WANNA STEAL KATE'S THUNDER IN CASE SHE INTENDS TO, BUT THE, THIS EXERCISE THAT Y'ALL ARE DOING TONIGHT IS EFFECTIVELY THE RESULT OF THE FEEDBACK THAT STAFF HAS GOTTEN OVER THE LAST YEAR OF DOING PROJECTS, PARTICULARLY WHENEVER I THINK ABOUT HUDDLE LAKE PARK AND THE, AND THE PROJECT GOT AWARDED, WENT OUT TO GO BE BUILT, AND, AND NO ONE SITTING AT THE DIESE UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN THAT PARK. SO, SO NORMALLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN, IN HUDDLE IS THERE'S BEEN A MILLION AND A HALF BUDGET, STAFF OR PARKS BOARD OR WHOMEVER'S DECIDED HOW IT'S GONNA GET SPENT. THEY GO OUT, THEY AWARD THE STUFF, IT COMES TO COUNCIL, COUNCIL APPROVES IT, IT GOES AND GETS BUILT, THEN Y'ALL FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS. SO WE, WE'RE FLIPPING THAT BACK UP ON ITS HEAD THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD BE, WHICH IS NOW COUNCIL'S GONNA BE IN HERE BECAUSE TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, IF THERE'S A MILLION AND A HALF BUDGETED FOR THIS, BUT IF Y'ALL DECIDE WE'RE ONLY GONNA SPEND A HALF MILLION, WELL, THEN NOW YOU GOT A MILLION DOLLARS LEFT, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA GO FIND ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF PROJECTS IN HERE TO SPEND IF Y'ALL SAY WE'RE JUST DOING THE PARKING LOT AND THE RESTROOM AND THAT'S IT, AND WHATEVER THAT COSTS, THEN THE REST OF THAT MONEY BECOMES AVAILABLE FOR SOMETHING BIGGER, LIKE A, A COMBINED, YOU KNOW, IMPROVEMENT SOMEWHERE ELSE, UH, ATHLETIC FIELDS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. MM-HMM. SO THIS IS REALLY MEANT FOR Y'ALL TO GIVE THE FEEDBACK ON, OKAY, TECHNICALLY THIS IS ON THE CIP, TECHNICALLY IT'S FUNDED, BUT IT WAS JUST CREEKSIDE PARK IMPROVEMENTS WITH NO, WHAT THAT MEANS. SO NOW THIS IS WHAT THAT MEANS, AND WE'RE, AND Y'ALL ARE JUST SUPPOSED TO BE GIVING US SOME READS ON WHAT YOU'RE THINKING YOU WANNA PRIORITIZE, SO THEN WE CAN GO - UH-HUH. HONE IN THE NUMBERS AND THEN BRING THE PROJECTIONS BACK. YEAH. SO IF WE COULD JUST GO DOWN ONE THROUGH NINE SAYING PEOPLE DON'T REHAB OR NO. IT'S EVEN TOUGH BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, BUT LIKE I, I DON'T HAVE ANY INTEREST IN SAND VOLLEYBALL COURT HERE BECAUSE THAT BEING A FLOODPLAIN, THAT'S GONNA BE A MESS OVER TIME. SAND VOLLEYBALL IS ALREADY DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN MAKES IT WAY WORSE. WE DO HAVE AN INTEREST IN DISC GOLF BECAUSE THOSE THINGS ARE METAL POLES. DISC GOLF IS GOOD IN FLOODPLAINS. YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT. [00:20:01] YEAH, SO THAT'S, I MEAN, LIKE I'M OVERSIMPLIFYING, BUT DROPPING A POLE AROUND WITH A BASKET, DISC GOLF. YEAH. I WANNA - THOSE, THOSE CAN BE SLEEVES, SO IF WE NEEDED TO TAKE THEM OUT, WE COULD ALWAYS TAKE THEM OUT TOO. I WANNA FOLLOW UP REALLY QUICK TOO, UM, COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON, WHEN THE, WHEN YOU SAID THAT IT'S FLOODED, AND THAT MEANS THE ENTIRE PARK IS UNUSABLE, LIKE THE FIELDS FLOOD? UM, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH RAIN WE GET AND, YOU KNOW - OH, WE RARELY GET RAIN, BUT HOW BAD IS IT - YEAH. WE DO GET RAIN? UM, WELL, THE HOUSES ARE PRETTY MUCH BUILT AT THE EDGE OF THE OLD FLOODPLAIN. YEAH, BUT THEY'RE LIKE RIGHT UP AGAINST IT. UH-HUH. SO THEY'RE AT THE EDGE OF THE OLD FLOODPLAIN. THE NEWER FLOODPLAINS, THOSE HOUSES ARE PROBABLY IN THE FLOODPLAIN NOW, IF I HAD TO GUESS. ALONG, ALONG MEADOWSIDE? THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD HAS HAD WATER IN THEIR BACKYARDS IN SOME OF THE PREVIOUS FLOODING, SO THAT MEANS IT COVERED PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE PARK. YEAH. WOW. UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE SEEN THAT, IS IT RAPIDLY MOVING WATER WHENEVER IT FLOODS, OR IS IT - IS IT STILL - IS IT, IS IT BACKED UP AND STILL - I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW. OKAY. I'M GONNA RELY ON JEFF. YEAH, WE HAVEN'T... IT HASN'T RAINED THAT MUCH DURING MY TIME. LAST YEAR IN, UH, JULY 4TH, UM, FRITZ DIDN'T BREAK THE FOOTBALL FIELD AND I DON'T THINK THAT, UH, CREEKSIDE GOT CLOSE TO THE TRAIL. AND IT RAINS EIGHT TO 10 INCHES, BUT IT KINDA DEPENDS ON THE RAIN TOO, WE GET, IF IT'S MORE OF A SLOW, STEADY, GONNA SEEP IN MORE, IF IT'S KIND OF A FASTER RUN THROUGH, THEN IT'S PROBABLY GONNA DO MORE DAMAGE. WELL, YEAH, AND SO IF THIS FLOODS AND IT'S MORE OF A JUST A BACKUP FLOOD - YEAH. THEN, THEN IT'S NOT AS CRITICAL THAT YOU GO PULL THINGS UP OUT OF THE FLOODWAY. IF IT'S A RAPID MOVING WATER, WHENEVER IT FLOODS, THEN ALL THOSE POLES NEED TO GET PULLED BEFORE THE STORMS COME THROUGH, SO THEY'RE NOT CATCHING DEBRIS AS THE WATER'S FLOWING THROUGH. IT'S NOT LIKE TEARING THE TOPSOIL TYPE OF FLOODING. IT'S JUST KIND OF - I GUESS NOT. I MEAN, I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. YEAH. I MEAN, SO THIS IS, SO THIS IS COTTONWOOD CREEK, AND COTTONWOOD CREEK IS NOT... IT'S NOT THAT FAR FROM THE START OF COTTONWOOD CREEK, SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S AS MUCH CHANCE OF FAST-MOVING WATER WHERE BRUSHY CREEK IS MUCH LONGER AND CAN REALLY BUILD UP AHEAD OF STEAM BY THE TIME IT GETS TO US. SO I THINK IT'S... I, I THINK IT'S LESS PRONE TO THAT TYPE OF FLOOD. DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T HAPPEN, BUT... WELL, THE ONLY REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE I, I ALWAYS HAVE AN INTEREST IN IMPROVING FIELDS THAT ALLOWS... BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A BIG COMPLEX YET, THAT ALLOWS MORE SPACES AND MORE FAMILIES TO USE THE FIELDS THAT WE DO HAVE AS WE BUILD UP TOWARDS HAVING A MORE, YOU KNOW, SOPHISTICATED SPORTS COMPLEX, WHICH WOULD BE AMAZING TO HAVE. UM, HOW MANY PARKS ARE THERE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH TO NARCAN? TWO OTHERS. OKAY, THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. WE, YOU GUYS COME BACK WITH WHAT IT TAKES TO FIX THE CRACKS IN THE ASPHALT AND MAKE SURE THAT STAYS ADA AND WE HAVE CRUSHED STONE. WE REBUILD THE RESTROOM, AND IF YOU HAVE TO RELOCATE AND PUT ON SEWER, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR OPTIONS? AND THEN, UM, I WOULDN'T REPLACE A PLAYGROUND. MM-HMM. I'D DO THE FIELD IMPROVEMENTS. I WOULDN'T DO TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS OR NATURE TRAILS. I WOULD DO A SAND LAW BALL COURT, AND I'D LOOK AT A DISC OFF. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, MY DOG, POOR DOG PASSED AWAY, AND WE DIDN'T GO TO DOG PARKS, AND SHE LIVED A GOOD 20 - YEAH, I WOULD SCRAP IT. YEARS. I'D SCRAP THE DOG PARK. IN THE DOG PARK, NOTHING MORE... WHEN I SEE THEM, ARE THEY NOT MORE THAN JUST, LIKE, A CHAIN LINK AREA WHERE - FOR THE MOST PART. CHAIN LINK. THEY TYPICALLY HAVE CHAIN LINK. THEY TYPICALLY HAVE - IT'S EMPER ALLEY. THEY TYPICALLY HAVE A WATERING, WATERING STATION, AND THEY TYPICALLY HAVE SOME SHADE. BUT, UH, PUTTING DOG PARKS UP ALONG THE CREEK IS A NO-NO WHEN IT COMES TO WATER QUALITY. YEAH. AND, UH, I SUSPECT THAT THAT WOULD NOT MEET OUR, OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN ANYWAY. CUT THAT OUT. TAKE IT OUT. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. WHY WOULD WE HAVE FOODIE BAGS ALONG THE TRAIL TO BE RESPONSIBLE? YEAH. I WOULD, I WOULD EVEN SAY DOG PARK IS MORE RESPONSIBLE, LIKE, AN ANCHORING NEIGHBORHOOD, YOUR HOA SHOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF. AND HOW BAD IS THAT WHAT I'M SAYING? AM I JUST PULLING DIRT? NO. BUT I WAS SAYING, LIKE, JUST... NOT AT ALL. VERY QUICKLY NEXT ONE. OKAY. ORGAIN PARK IMPROVEMENTS. UM, SO - THIS ONE'S NOT FUNDED. THIS IS NOT FUNDED. THIS IS, UM, SUPPOSED TO BE SLATED FOR A FUTURE DEBT ISSUANCE IF COUNCIL ELECTS TO, TO REALLY HAVE ANYTHING COME OF THIS. UM, THERE IS CURRENTLY 4.4 MILLION SLATED FOR FISCAL YEAR 28, LIKE I JUST SAID, TO BE ISSUED. UM, THE PARKS MASTER PLAN REFERS TO PERHAPS DOING A SITE SPECIFIC MASTER PLAN. THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS SPECIFIC TO THE PAVILIONS [00:25:01] AND RESTROOMS THAT, UM, DIRECTOR WHITE CAN, CAN BETTER SPEAK TO. I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT, IN THE MASTER PLAN, THERE IS A ILLUSTRATION THAT SHOWS AND, AND CAPTURES BASICALLY IF ONE OF THE DRIVEWAYS INTO ALMORE GAME PARK WERE TO CLOSE OFF, YOU COULD HAVE ADDITIONAL PARK SPACES AS SHOWN IN THAT ILLUSTRATION THERE. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE APPROPRIATE TO DO SOME KIND OF TRAFFIC STUDY TO DETERMINE IF REMOVING THE DRIVEWAY WOULD BE SAFE. UM, WOULD IT BE ACCESSIBLE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE EVENTS THAT GENERALLY HAPPEN AT THE AMPHITHEATER. AS FAR AS SPECIFICS, UH, THE MASTER PLAN ALSO RECOMMENDS ALL ABILITIES, PLAYGROUNDS, SPLASH PADS, CONCRETE TRAIL WITH SOLAR LIGHTING, WHICH IS DESIGN, AND THEN SOME KIND OF FITNESS, UH, STATION/GYM EQUIPMENT THAT PEOPLE CAN. THAT'S ALL I HAVE THERE FOR ANY DISCUSSION. KATE, I'M SORRY, BUT WHAT DOES THE YELLOW DOTTED LINE REPRESENT? THAT'S THE OLD EGRESS. YEAH. THAT IS THE SOUTH ENTRANCE TO THE PARK, AND ONE OF THE RE - ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THEY HAD WAS POTENTIALLY TAKING OUT THAT, WIDENING THE NORTH TO ALLOW RIGHT TURN, LEFT TURN, YOU KNOW, KINDA - OH. DUAL THINGS, AND THEN, UH, MAKING THAT AREA MORE INVOLVED IN THE PARK. WHAT'S THE PATH ON THE SOUTH BY THE TREES? IS THAT THE FUTURE CONCRETE TRAIL? THAT'S THE FUTURE TRAIL. YEAH. YEAH, TRAIL CONNECTIVITY. I WOULD THINK FROM A SAFETY, YOU WOULD WANT TO, IN CASE YOU HAD TO CLEAR OUT 8,000 PEOPLE OUT OF THERE. MM-HMM. YOU'D WANT TWO, TWO, WOULDN'T YOU, JUST FROM, UH, SOMETHING HAPPENED TO THE FIRST ONE? YEP. I MEAN INVEST IN THE - 4TH OF JULY. IN THE AMPHITHEATER AS PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT. THAT WAS A NIGHTMARE AND THEY WERE EXITING OUT OF TWO. YEAH. YEAH, WE WANT AS MUCH ACCESSIBILITY. LIKE, THE RED RIGGS HAD TWO OPTIONS. THIS ONE, SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY TIED INTO THIS. THIS IS JUST ONE OPTION. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PARK TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DO WE WANT THE FUTURE OF IT TO BE. IF WE WANT IT TO BE A MUSIC VENUE, I WOULD NOT BE PUTTING IN SPLASH PADS AND PLAYGROUNDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE HAVING CONCERTS, AND THEN PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, "BUT MY KIDS DIDN'T ENJOY THEIR TIME OUT THERE BECAUSE ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE." IF WE DON'T WANNA HAVE CONCERTS AND, AND NOT USE PAVILION THE WAY I THINK SOME PEOPLE TRY TO MAKE IT DO, AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM OUT THERE TO DO THINGS WITH, BUT I WOULD PUT TRAILS OUT THERE, EVEN IF THERE ARE CONCERTS FOR PEOPLE TO DO THINGS. YEAH. I MEAN, HAVING A BIG ENOUGH WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A, A, WE CALL IT A FAMILY AREA, AND YOU HAVE CONCERTS, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GONNA SELL CONCERT TO TWO PEOPLE, YOU SUCH A FAMILY WHEN THEY'LL BUY SIX TICKETS BECAUSE OF SOMETHING FOR THEIR KIDS. MM-HMM. LIKE THE KID PAST US THERE, OUR KIDS WALK IN. I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE, THAT BRINGS A LOT OF PEOPLE A LOT OF TICKETS. IT'S ENOUGH SPACE SO WE CAN DO BOTH. MM-HMM. AND ONE OF THE CONCERN YOU BROUGHT UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PARK AND CAN WE. I SAID MY ONLY CONCERN WITH, WITH THAT IS I THINK WE OUGHTA HELP THE NEIGHBORHOOD GET A PARK, BECAUSE IF NEIGHBORHOODS WITHOUT PARKS ARE GETTING THE CITIES TO BUILD IN PARKS, THEN I THINK THAT OPENS UP A PRECEDENT OF NEIGHBORHOODS. WHAT I DON'T... AND THE BIGGEST THING IS I DON'T WANT DEVELOPERS GOING... I DON'T REALLY HAVE TO BUILD A PARK BECAUSE IF I DON'T PUT MUCH INTO IT TO SEE THEM COME IN AND, AND INVEST IN THAT. BUT I THINK IF WE FIGURE OUT A WAY, AND I, I RAN IT BY EVAN FOR AN EDC ITEM, MAYBE THE EDC, UH, PARKS ARE PART OF A, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT MAYBE THE EDCS CAN HELP NEIGHBORHOODS UPGRADE PARKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR FUND PARKS SO THAT THE CITY DOESN'T GET INTO A DEAL WHERE DEVELOPERS ARE TRYING TO CHEAT THEM WHAT THEY'RE DOING NEGATIVELY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS THINK ON THAT. UH, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE EDC YET. I NEED TO FIND CHAIN. YEAH. SO THIS IS NOT A, A PARK PER SE, BUT I THINK THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE DROPPING SOME RESTAURANTS DOWN IN THAT, SOME OF THAT SPACE. IN THE PARK AREA? JAMES BROUGHT THIS UP, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THIS BECAUSE IT... WE WERE JUST KIND OF SPITBALLING. WE'RE ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT CRAZY STUFF. IF YOU GO ALONG 137TH AND YOU THINK IN TERMS OF THIS PARK AGAIN, IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO SPEND THE MONEY AND THE AG SAYS WE CAN SPEND HOT MONEY TO MAKE IT INTO A, A BIG MUSIC VENUE, TO THE SOUTH, YOU'LL HAVE THE, UH, THAT BIG COMMERCIAL, UM, CONVENTION CENTER SPACE GATEWAY. THAT WAY. YEAH. BUT HERE, JUST RIGHT UP, YOU HAD THE, UH, WHAT WAS THAT? ROCKERBILLY WAS UP ON THE TOP, THAT'S NOT IN THE AND I DON'T KNOW WHY, [00:30:01] WHAT ALL HAPPENED THERE, BUT YOU COULD HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF USING SOME OF THE GREEN SPACE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PARK ALONG 137. AND IT COULD BE LEASED OUT TO SOMEONE WHO WANTED TO PUT SOME KIND OF RESTAURANT, COFFEE, STUFF USED LIKE THAT TO WHERE THEN THEY, THAT MONEY COULD THEN BE GENERATED AND GO STRAIGHT TO THE PARK FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND EXPANSION OF FACILITIES IN THERE. AND ALL WE'RE GIVING UP IS ROAD FRONTAGE THAT WOULD BECOME, IF WE DID IT RIGHT, IT COULD BE AN AMENITY, NOT BUILT LIKE A TGI FRIDAYS, BUT BUILT LIKE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BLEND IN, BE PART OF THE CHARACTER OF THE PARK. ALL GRASS OR A PAPADOE'S OR ALONG ALONG THE. I'M JUST THINKING LIKE WHAT WOULD BE REALLY PRETTY IN THAT SETTING. WHAT WOULD LOOK GOOD THERE? AND WOULD ATTRACT PEOPLE. MM-HMM. AND THEN ALSO WHENEVER YOU HAVE LIKE A FESTIVAL OF SOME TYPE - IT'S ALREADY THERE. LIKE WHAT IS, YEAH, WHAT IS GONNA BE - WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE SPACES YOU SEE AROUND BARTON SPRINGS AND AUSTIN, THEY HAVE PERMANENT RESTAURANTS RIGHT ADJACENT TO A FOOD TRAILER PARK. YEAH. SO THEY HAVE ROTATING OFFERINGS AND SOME PERMANENT SPACE. SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE NICE. NOW RIGHT NOW IT'S CRAZY BECAUSE YOU' SAY, "WELL, WHO THE HELL COULD COME ALL THE WAY OUT HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE?" BUT WHAT ABOUT LIKE HIGHWAY, WE HAVE THE FRONTAGE ROAD OF THE HIGHWAY. WHATEVER IT'S CALLED. YEAH, THAT JUST OPENED. AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK 10 YEARS FROM NOW AND YOU GOT A CONVENTION CENTER BUSINESS AREA, YOU'VE GOT A 380 WIDE DEAL NEXT TO AN ENTERTAINMENT CENTER. TO ME, THIS IS GONNA BE SHORT OF COMMERCIAL AREA. AND THE OTHER SIDE OF 137 IS THE DOG PARK. AND THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE, UH, GATEWAY. I BELIEVE IT'S JUST LITERALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. UH, POP STROKE MAY NOT WORK IN THAT SPACE, GERALD, SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE, UM, IT, IT WILL STILL FLOOD. SO ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE LIKE SUBGROUND, SO IN OTHER WORDS, LIKE THEIR, THEIR HOLES, THEIR, YOU KNOW, THE SAND, ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF, THEY'D HAVE TO BUILD ALL THAT UP SO IT WOULDN'T COLLECT WATER WHEN IT FLOODED. BUT LIKE THE PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE FLAT. SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY OKAY. SO I DON'T REMEMBER WHO THE, WHAT IS THE CHICKEN AND, AND - I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. PICKLE AND CHICKEN. I WAS LITERALLY THERE LAST YEAR. CHICKEN AND PICKLE. CHICKEN AND PICKLE. YEAH. OKAY. SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ALSO, BECAUSE I, I THINK POP STROKE WOULD BE COOL. THEY WOULD JUST NEED TO BE ON PROBABLY THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PARK. AND IT WOULDN'T HURT TO PUT THINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE RECREATIONAL ENTERTAINMENT LIKE THAT TO CO-LOCATE THEM HERE. WHAT IS THAT ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? POP STROKE? POP STROKE. IT'S, UH, TIGER WOODS', UH, PUTT-PUTT. OH, I LOVE IT. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE, IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE GOLF. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT COLORFUL. IT'S, IT'S GREENS AND SAND TRAPS. SO IT'S. OH WOW. AND CHICKEN AND PICKLE, YOU KNOW, IN SAN ANTONIO, IT'S NOT RIGHT OFF THE HIGHWAY. IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE OFF THE HIGHWAY DOWN THE ROAD AROUND THE BEND. WOW. IT'S KIND OF SURPRISING HOW BUSY IT IS, BUT WHEN YOU BUILD THAT STUFF, IT'S DESTINATION BASED. IF THEY WERE GONNA BRING IN RESTAURANTS, THEY'D HAVE TO RAISE THEM UP TOO, RIGHT? YES. THEY'D HAVE TO. THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FINANCE THEIR CONSTRUCTION IF THEY WERE IN THE FLOODPLAIN. THAT'S PART OF THE ALLURE BECAUSE THERE'S A LITTLE BEACH THERE. UH-HUH. YEAH. YOU COULD DO THE BEACH. UM, I MEAN, I'VE GONE TO LIKE, UH, RASOO'S, I THINK, AND THEN, AND THEN THERE'S A PAPADOE'S IN ARLINGTON. AND EVEN THOUGH THEY, THEY'RE NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN, YOU GOTTA GO UP LIKE EIGHT STEPS TO GET UP TO THE RESTAURANT. MM-HMM. JUST BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY DESIGNED IT, BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO HAVE THAT BIG PATIO VERANDA TO WHERE YOU'RE OVERLOOKING AND S - AND WHATNOT. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME BUILDERS WHO ALREADY BUILT THAT WAY ANYWAY THAT'D BE SUITED FOR THIS SORT OF STUFF. ANYWAY, NOT TO THROW TOO MUCH OF A CURVE BALL, BUT - I MEAN, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE AGAIN, IF YOU, IF YOU, WHAT DO WE WANT THE PARK TO BE? AND I, NO ONE HERE MADE IT BE WHAT IT IS TODAY, BUT THERE, CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY WAS SPENT MAKING IT AN ENTERTAINMENT VENUE. AND SO I THINK IF WE KEEP ON THAT ROAD, THAT ROUTE, WE OUGHT DO THINGS THAT MAYBE LIKE HOW CORINA SAID, YOU CAN ADD SOME STUFF THAT WOULD, WOULD, UH, I GUESS ACCENTUATE THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WOULD BUILD LIKE A MAJOR PLAYGROUND AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT MAYBE WOULD, UH, CONFLICT WITH. IT SHOULD BE A SMALL PLAY AREA. WITH THAT. RIGHT HERE, IT TALKS ABOUT ACCESS TO THE CREEK. CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO SAFE ACCESS TO THE CREEK. THERE'S LIKE A WASHED OUT STAIRCASE THAT FAMILIES PRECARIOUSLY PURCHASED TO GET DOWN THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD EVEN... I MEAN, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO EVEN MAKE SAFE ACCESS TO THE CREEK? AND DO WE WANT PEOPLE IN THE CREEK? YEAH, I'M TORN ON THAT. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE I WOULD SAY NO, WHAT CAN MY KIDS OUT OF THERE? LIKE THEY'LL GO CATCH BUGS, MY LITTLE ONE, BUT I DON'T WANT THEM IN THE CREEK. I'M, I'M LIABILITIES BECAUSE THE CREEK RECEIVES SO MUCH OF FLUENT FROM WASTEWATER PLANTS THAT ARE [00:35:01] UPSTREAM FROM US. YEAH. SO I'M KIND OF TORN ON WHETHER I WANT TO ENCOURAGE RECREATIONAL CONTACT OR NOT. LET'S ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GET IN THERE. UDC, WE HAD A QUICK CONVERSATION. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY, BUT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT TAKING... EVERYBODY LIKES THE WATER. TAKING AND ALMOST MAKING LIKE HERE WOULD BE LIKE THE RIVER WALK, BUT BASICALLY BUILD INTO THE CREEK SOMEWHAT A TRAIL AND UP LIKE A PATH AND HAVE IT BORN WITH THE RAILING. AND SO THEN YOU GO ALL THE WAY ALONG THE CREEK. WE CAN WALK LIKE A BOARDWALK. YEAH. BUT NOT LIKE PEOPLE GET IN THE WATER. RIGHT. YOU WOULDN'T GET IN IT. YEAH. SO IT'D BE LIKE THIS. I MEAN, IT'D BE LIKE THE RIVER WALK IN SAN ANTONIO. IT COULD BE LIGHTED AND GO ALL THE WAY DOWN BECAUSE JUST TO THE, UM, EAST OF THIS IS A MUD THAT I THINK WE HAVE RIGHTS TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE ANOTHER 40 ACRES OR SOMETHING ALL THE WAY ALONG THE CREEK. EXACTLY. SO THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD DISTANCE. AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK IS OUT OF THE CITY, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S GOT A WALL. YEAH. YOU ONLY GOTTA BUILD ONE SIDE AND THEN YOU HAVE LIKE A THING PEOPLE CAN WALK, LOOK IN, SEE THE DIFFERENT STUFF FLOAT. BUT SEEING THE PICTURES LIKE A - YEAH. AND IF WE'RE GONNA, IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT'S GONNA BE ENTERTAINMENT VENUE, HAVING A, A LIGHTED BOARDWALK OVER THAT AREA WOULD BE REALLY NICE AND IT WOULD ACTUALLY FIT WITH THAT. AND ALSO THERE'S A DOG PARK RIGHT UP THE WAY AND THE DOGS ARE, THEY'RE DEFECATING IN THE CREEK AND THE, AND WE'RE ON THAT AREA AND IT WASHES TOWARDS CREEK, TOWARDS ANAMORGAN INDIA, WE JUST WANNA LET MY KIDS GO IN THERE. YEAH, STAR MARK IS JUST ACROSS THE STREET. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS YOU, KATE, BUT I DON'T KNOW. UH, WE'D WAIT ON A SPLICE PAD UNTIL WE SEE HOW OUR SECOND SPLASH PAD KICKS OFF SO THAT WE DON'T WIND UP WITH, UH - THE DOG PARK. OKAY. HUDDLE LAKE PARK. UM, SO A FEW RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS PARK SPECIFICALLY. PLAY AREA IMPROVEMENTS, THAT WOULD PROBABLY CONSIDER SATISFIED. UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY ON FOR CLOSEOUT THIS EVENING. SO WHAT IS OUTSTANDING THAT THE MASTER PLAN SUGGESTED IS, UM, REALLY REPLACEMENT OF THE DECKING, RESTROOM RENOVATIONS, WHICH I UNDERSTAND FROM THE MASTER PLAN GENERALLY TO BE THE ADA IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE, UM, CORRECTED FOLLOWING THE ADA TRANSITION PLAN. YOU ALSO SEE THAT THERE IS SUGGESTED PUBLIC ART TO BE ALONG THE TRAILS. UM, A NEW PARKING LOT, WHICH THE PARKING LOT THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, SEEMS FINE. I DO THINK THAT IT GETS, FROM MY CONVERSATIONS WITH DIRECTOR WRIGHT WHITE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT PROMPTS A NECESSITY FOR A NEW PARKING LOT. UM, REFINISHING OF THE BASKETBALL COURT IS IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, SO YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT EFFECTIVELY MOOT FROM THIS DISCUSSION. UM, BUT HAPPY TO. AND THIS WOULD ALSO BE A FUTURE DEBT ISSUANCE.? YEP. YEP. YES. ON TOM - UH, THUR - UH, SATURDAY. SORRY. WELL, HOPEFULLY, WHEN IT'S NOT ABOUT REPLACING THE DECKING, SO THAT ORIGINAL DECK DIDN'T LAST VERY LONG AT ALL. IT DIDN'T, IT WAS NOT GREAT. I MEAN, I REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS BRAND NEW WHEN WE FIRST MOVED TO RIVERWALK AND THAT WAS OUR MAIN PART WE GO TO. AND THEN WITHIN OUR TIME WITHIN THE FIRST, LIKE, WHAT, FIVE YEARS WE WERE THERE, IT WAS STARTING TO COME UP AND, AND WORK. SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT REPLACING WITH THE SAME THING. NO, DEFINITELY.? NO, IT'S NOT, IT'S LIKE AROUND THE PAVILION. OH, I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. AND IT ALMOST IMMEDIATELY SUBMIT TO WARP AND COME UP. YEAH. IT WAS NOT GOOD. IS THAT THE COMPOSITE MATERIAL? YEAH. YEAH. IT'S JUST - WHATEVER IT WAS. DO THAT AGAIN. IT LOOKED REALLY NICE, BUT IT DIDN'T LAST AT ALL. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? WHAT, FOR THE, FOR THAT PRICE TAG, WHAT ARE WE THINKING ABOUT REPLACING THAT WITH? UM, WE'LL HAVE TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND SEE WHAT THE BEST OPTIONS ARE AS FAR AS, UM, A SURFACE THAT DOESN'T GET HOT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO TOUCH, BUT ALSO KIND OF HAS THAT MORE DURABILITY THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW. UM, AND SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, UM, EASILY REPLACE IF WE NEED TO OR IF IT'S DAMAGED OR VANDALIZED. SO A COMBINATION OF THOSE THINGS. 'CAUSE I REMEMBER US HAVING THIS CONVERSATION A WHILE BACK WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE, THE ADA UPGRADES AND OTHER THINGS. AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS HOW THERE'S, THERE'S CONCRETE ON SOME PARTS OF THE PATH, BUT NOT CONCRETE ON OTHERS. IT'S JUST, UH, CRUSHED GRAVEL. SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT CONCRETE ALL THE WAY AROUND?. SO WE WOULD, WE'RE A BIG FAN OF CONCRETE. IT'S, UH, AND THE MAYOR'S HEARD ME SAY THIS, THAT IF CONCRETE'S DONE RIGHT, IT'LL LAST OUR GENERATIONS, OUR KIDS' GENERATIONS AND EVERYTHING. BUT THIS PARTICULAR PARK HAS A DAM ON IT AND IT'S MONITORED BY UPPER BRUSHY [00:40:01] CREEK. AND THE TOP PART OF THE DAM, THEY WANNA KEEP AS IS. AND SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA LET US DO ANY WORK ON THAT OR MODIFICATIONS OF THAT. UM, WE COULD POTENTIALLY EXPLORE CONCRETE UP TO THE DAM, BUT IT WOULD KINDA BE, STILL BE DISCONNECTED, SO TO SPEAK, FROM CONCRETE TO GRAVEL. DO YOU HAVE, UM, LIKE A- AERIAL VIEW PICTURE OF THE PARK? YES. WHAT DID WE DO TO THE RIBBON CUTTING? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. I'M, I'M KINDA TALKING ABOUT - IT'S A MEDICINAL SIDEWALK. ALL THAT. RIGHT? YEAH, SO BASICALLY - 'CAUSE THIS IS LIKE CRUSHED GRAVEL RIGHT NOW, ISN'T IT? IT, IT'S- IT'S A MIXTURE OF CONCRETE AND DEEP POST GRANITE. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S, IF MEMORY SERVES, IT'S LIKE CONCRETE AND LIKE PROBABLY LIKE THE WASHOUT PLACES AND THEN IT HAS DECOMPOSED GRANITE EVERYWHERE ELSE A SIDEWALK. WHEN I, WHEN I, I, IT'S BEEN A BIT SINCE I'VE BEEN OUT THERE, BUT WHEN I RIDE MY BIKE OUT THERE, USUALLY THE DECOMPOSED GRANITE GOING TOWARD THE DAM ON THE EAST SIDE, LIKE THAT ALL WANTS TO WASH DOWN THE HILL AND KINDA SETTLE OUT. SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE YOU WOULD PUT MORE CONCRETE, SO THAT WAY IT'S JUST STABLE ALL THE TIME. YEAH, AFTER, UM, THE JULY, UH, 4TH, UM, DOWNPOUR THAT WE GOT IN 24? YES. IS THAT 24? I THINK SO. MOST OF THAT TRAIL WAS UNDERWATER. YEAH. WELL, THAT'S BECAUSE THE DAM'S DOING WHAT THE DAM'S SUPPOSED TO DO. YEAH. SO IT'S GONNA HOLD WATER AND IT'S GONNA FLOOD THE TRAILS. UM - I CAN JUST HEAR OUR RESIDENTS NOW ABOUT ADA COMPLIANCE AND PART OF IT IS COMPLIANT, PART OF IT ISN'T. WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? IF YOU, IF YOU DID THE CONCRETE, LIKE, ON ONE SIDE, AND THEN MAYBE LIKE THE BOARDWALK AREA, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT WAS ADA COMPLIANT, YOU COULD DO A TURNAROUND ON ONE SIDE. SO THAT WAY THERE'S AT LEAST A PATH FOR ADA TO WHERE THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN GO LIKE A STRETCH AND THEN TURN AROUND AND COME BACK AND STAY ON THE SIDEWALK. IF WE CAN'T GET ACROSS THE DAM TO BE, UH, TO BE PAVED - UH-HUH. THEN THERE'S REALLY NO POINT IN DOING THE OTHER SIDE UNLESS YOU'RE GONNA ACCESS IT FROM BELOW. AND THAT'S THE PART THAT'S GOING TO FLOOD BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE WATER BACKS UP TOWARD THOSE HOUSES AS THE RAINS COME IN. WHAT WERE THE SUGGESTIONS ON THIS ONE FROM PARKS BOARD? THANK YOU. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE WHAT WAS CAPTURED IN THE MASTER PLAN, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. SO IN ALIGNMENT. BUT THEY, THEY HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT. WE DIDN'T REVIEW IT LAST NIGHT. WE JUST REVIEWED THE CREEK TIMELINE. YOU SAID - I THINK CRUSHED LIMESTONE. WE SHOULD LOOK AT CRUSHED LIMESTONE AND STABILIZE DECOMPOSED GRANITE. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IS DECOMPOSED GRANITE. PROBLEM IS, IS THAT GRANITE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, ACTUALLY KIND OF FLOATS WHENEVER WATER. I DON'T GET IT BECAUSE YOU WOULD THINK THAT THE STONE WOULD FLOAT, BUT IT, IT MOVES REALLY EASILY WITH WATER. SO EVERY TIME THE WATER COMES THROUGH, YOU GOTTA GO BACK AND REGRADE IT ALL. YEAH, THAT, THAT, YEAH, THAT, THAT MAY BE, BUT I ALSO SEE TRAILS WASHING OUT AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S MORE EXPENSIVE. FIXING THAT OR REDOING THE BASE ON A, ON SIDEWALK AND TEARING OUT CONCRETE. IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE TO DO THE SIDEWALK UP FRONT AND CHEAPER OVER THE LONG TERM THAN IT IS TO DO THE MAINTENANCE FOR THE DECOMPOSED GRANITE. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. I THINK THAT'S ADA ACCEPTABLE. THE DECOMPOSED GRANITE? YES. SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT BECAUSE IF WE JUST START BUILDING CONCRETE BECAUSE WE SAY IT'S ADA AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING INTO THERE'S WHAT EXACTLY IS ALLOWED ON THE ADA STANDARDS. UM, I'M CERTAIN THAT IT IS ALLOWED. THERE'S A CAVEAT WITH THAT, SO. SURE. IF YOUR, IF YOUR WHEELCHAIR HITS IT AND THEN IT SINKS AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY HAVING TO LIKE MOW YOUR WAY THROUGH THE GRANITE, THAT DOESN'T COUNT. IF IT IS HARD AND COMPACT AND, AND THE, AND THE, UM, WHEELCHAIR WHEELS DON'T SINK, THEN GENERALLY GI- GIVEN THAT IT HAS THE RIGHT, UH, FALL OR, OR, OR RISE, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, THE RIGHT SLOPE, THEN, THEN IT CAN BE. SO WE HAD - THAT'S WHY I LEAVE IT UP TO YOU PROFESSIONALS TO FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE THE SIDEWALK HAS A CAVEAT TOO THAT NOT ALL SIDEWALKS ARE ADA COMPLIANT BECAUSE - CORRECT. IT'S SLOPE. AND ALL THAT. SO JUST AGAIN, WHATEVER, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO WHERE MAINTENANCE, TO ME, MAINTENANCE, CONSTRUCTION, ALL THAT'S FACTORED [00:45:01] INTO WHERE WE GO. 'CAUSE WE'VE DONE CONCRETE BEFORE AND THEN IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS BRAND NEW CONCRETE. IT LOOKED LIKE GRAHAM CRACKERS WAS ALL BUSTED UP. WE WENT THROUGH AND HAD TO REPLACE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF SIDEWALKS. IT ALL CRACKED AND BROKE BECAUSE THE GROUND SHIFTED. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF OUR LATEST THING SPEC IS WORKING, BUT THE SPEC WE HAVE NOW IS A TXDOT HIGHWAY SPEC. AND SO EVERYTHING WE BUILD IS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS MORE EXPENSIVE. AND I GO OUT ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN, LAKEWAY, UH, WESTLAKE, ALL THEM. THEY DON'T USE CONCRETE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO. THEY'RE, THEY HAVE LIMESTONE UNDERNEATH THEM. THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE. WHATEVER IT IS, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF, IF I, IF IT WAS A PRIVATE COMPANY, HOW WOULD THEY DO IT? BECAUSE PRIVATE PEOPLE LOOK IN TERMS OF LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE, CONSTRUCTION COSTS. I'M JUST ASKING, WE NEED A PLAN, I THINK, IN OUR CITY. WHAT IS IT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? I THINK IT'S ADA ACCESSIBLE PATHWAYS. AND THEN HOW DO WE BUILD MORE TRAILS? AND THEN I WOULD THINK THE OTHER ONE IS HOW DO WE KEEP THEM MAINTAINED? AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND IF CONCRETE'S THE ANSWER, THEN THAT'S GREAT. BUT IF THE CONCRETE'S NOT THE ANSWER, I'D HATE FOR US TO BE PUTTING ALL THIS CONCRETE IN AND THEN SOMEONE COME UP LATER AND GO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS WOULD'VE DONE BLAH, BLAH, BLAH WITH THIS SPEC, YOU GUYS COULD HAVE DONE THREE TIMES AS MUCH. NO, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT AT ALL. UH, BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF WHERE KYLE SAT ON THE WEST PART OF TOWN WAS LIMESTONE ON THE EAST PART OF TOWN WAS THE SAME SOIL WE HAVE HERE IN HUDO. AND WE, WE BUILT OUR SIDEWALKS DIFFERENTLY ON EACH SIDE OF THE, OF THE FAULT LINE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THE THICK CONCRETE ON THE WEST SIDE BECAUSE THE SOIL DIDN'T MOVE. IT WAS JUST ROCK. YEAH. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE SHAVING THE CONCRETE TO MAKE THE LITTLE BUMPS. YEAH. AND I, I THINK THAT JUST MEANS THE BASE WASN'T PUT IN PROPERLY DOWN BELOW AND - THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS. THE CONCRETE'S NOT THICK ENOUGH. THE SUBSURFACE WASN'T PREPARED CORRECTLY. RIGHT. BECAUSE THE CONTRACTORS USUALLY, DEVELOPERS BUILT MOST OF THOSE SIDEWALKS. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONES IN OUR PARKS. OH, OUR PARKS? YEAH. SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE BUILT THOSE IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND I'M READY, AND I'M READY LIKE IN A YEAR, MAYBE AFTER THIS SUMMER, WE GET SOME MOISTURE, I'M READY TO GO OUT TO LAKESIDE ESTATES. YEAH. AND SEE THE $6 MILLION IN SIDEWALKS WE INSTALLED. ARE THEY MAINTAINING OR ARE THEY ALL SHIFTING? IF THEY'RE ALL SHIFTING, THEN I'M LIKE, WELL, THEN WE SHOULDN'T BE THE SIDEWALK MAKING BUSINESS. YEAH. 'CAUSE THAT'S ALL ON THE CITY. 'CAUSE WE ALWAYS BLAME THE DEVELOPER FOR SCREWING IT UP, BUT NOW THAT WE'RE DOING IT AND REPLACING STUFF, I'M, I'M CURIOUS TO SEE HOW IT'S - SURE. 'CAUSE I KNOW HOW WE DID IT LIKE AT MY OLD JOB AND NOBODY CAN AFFORD THAT. BUT YOU CAN PARK A UTILITY TRUCK ON A SIDEWALK. IT WON'T BREAK, IT WON'T CRACK, IT WON'T MOVE. SOME OF THE SIDEWALKS THAT GOT BUILT IN THAT PROJECT LEAD TO THIS PARK, SO. UM, INCLUDED THIS JUST AS INSPIRATION. THIS IS ACTUALLY IN OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN AND IT IS REAL. UM, I BELIEVE IT'S AT A PARK IN SCOTLAND, WEIRDLY ENOUGH. I SEARCHED THE IMAGE AND, UM, IT IS THE THING. IT IS POSSIBLE. AND THEN JUST DEPENDING ON HOW THE CONVERSATION WENT AT IT, THERE ARE SOLAR CHARGING STATIONS. ONE OF THE POINTS OF DISCUSSION THAT I ACTUALLY DIDN'T COVER EARLIER, THE PLAYGROUND AT CREEKSIDE PARK, THE CANOPY, THERE ARE, THERE IS SOME WEAR AND TEAR IN THERE. IT'S NOTHING EGREGIOUS RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE IS DEFINITELY SOME HOLES THAT ARE KIND OF INTERMITTENT, UM, WITHIN THE, THE SHADE OF THAT PLAYGROUND. IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA SPEND MONEY, THAT'S WHERE YOU SPEND THE MONEY. YOU GO PUT, YOU GO PUT SHADE COVERINGS OVER EVERY PLAYGROUND THAT YOU HAVE. AND UP HIGH ENOUGH TO WHERE THE KIDS CAN'T JUMP UP THERE AND CUT IT WITH THEIR POCKET KNIVES AND CHARGING STATION, IF THAT WAS, TO ME, THAT'S A SPONSORSHIP THING THAT SOMEONE SAYS, "HEY, FOR 300 GRAND, I COULD BUY ONE AND WITH THOSE HIPPOS." YEAH, SURE. FOR SURE. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE HIPPO, LOOK AT THE CHARGING HORN? THA'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. YOU CLIMB OUT OF THE BUTT. WHA'S GOING ON? YOU CLIMB ON THE SIDE, BUT YOU C - YOU CLIMB IN THE BUTT AND SLIDE OUT. KIDS WOULD LOVE THAT. THAT'S WHAT I SAW LIVING BACK THERE. FROM A WORDING STANDPOINT, IT'S PICKY, BUT I THINK WE OUGHTA BE LOOKING AT NOT JUST SAYING, LIKE, THIS IS GONNA BE AN ALL ACCESSIBLE PARK OR - UH-HUH. THIS IS GONNA BE... WE JUST MAKE IT TO WHERE EVERYTHING IS THAT WAY AND WE DON'T TRY TO DIFFERENTIATE IT BECAUSE IT'S FROM ANOTHER? MM-HMM. YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE ALMOST SAYING LIKE, OKAY, HIT A H - LACK OF BETTER WAY OF SAYING - IF YOU'RE HANDICAPPED, YOU CAN JUST GO PLAY AT THIS PARK. THE HANDICAP KIDS GO OVER HERE AND THE REST OF US GET THE COOL STUFF OVER HERE. BUT IF WE JUST MAKE IT ALL ACCESSIBLE EVERYWHERE- EVERYWHERE. THEN IT DOESN'T BECOME A, "HEY, THIS IS WHERE I'M AT A HANDICAP PARK." IT'S, "I'M JUST AT A PARK IN HUDDLE AND IT JUST HAPPENED, THE PARENTS DOWN THERE ALL HAPPEN TO BE ALL ACCESSIBLE." WOULD Y'ALL BE OPEN? YES. [00:50:02] ONE MORE? YEAH. I LIKE THE, THE PICTURE ON THE, THE LEFT THERE WITH THE SOLAR PANELS UP TOP. THAT THING'S KINDA COOL. YEAH. THAT'S CHARGING STATION. CHARGE YOUR PHONE WHILE YOU'RE, WHILE YOUR KID'S PLAYING OR, OR WHATEVER. INSTEAD OF CHARGING THEIR IPADS, WATCHING TV. . INSTEAD OF WATCHING YOUR KID. ON, ON THIS HANDOUT YOU HAVE ON PAGE 91, THE IMPLEMENTATION. MM-HMM. THE PRIORITIES FOR RENOVATIONS, NATURAL ENHANCEMENTS - RIGHT. FACILITIES. ARE THESE ACCURATE AND UP TO DATE OR, OR HOW... WHEN WERE THESE CREATED? THIS IS FROM 24. OKAY. SO IT'S... YEAH. PROBABLY GONE IN A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, NOT ONLY, BUT THE PRICE IS ONE THING, BUT THE PRIORITIES. RIGHT. SO CAN THIS BE UPDATED AT SOME... OR WHAT IS THE PLANS TO UPDATE THIS? THE PRIORITIES? YES. WH- WHEN DO THOSE GET? 20, 24 IS WHEN THEY GOT ADOPTED, SO USUALLY IT'S ABOUT EVERY SEVEN TO 10 YEARS. SEVEN TO 10. DEPENDING ON WHEN THEY GET UPDATED. WE DO A NEW MASTER PLAN. THE MASTER PLAN. WELL - WE DO A NEW MASTER PLAN. BUT I MEAN, ARGUABLY, PART OF THE MASTER PLAN WAS INFORMED BY A COMMUNITY SURVEY, SO MAYBE THERE COULD BE SOMETHING IN IT. WELL, YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO GET SOME UPDATE ON THAT, WHETHER IT'S INFORMAL OR WHATEVER. OKAY. I'M NOT SAYING TO DO IT, REDO THE WHOLE MASTER PLAN, BUT I MEAN, GIVING DIRECTION TO THE COUNCIL AND STAFF OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST... AND IT MAY BE JUST REARRANGING THESE THINGS. THE NUMBERS OBVIOUSLY ARE INFLATION RELATED YEAR AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT AS FAR AS THE INPUT WE HAVE HERE FOR STAFF AND THEN SURVEYS, IF THESE PRIORITIES MIGHT BE UPDATED TO GIVE US DIRECTION GOING FORWARD. I MEAN, I DON'T SEE WHY WE COULDN'T TAKE... IT'S JUST THREE PARKS. I DON'T SEE WHY WE COULDN'T TAKE COMMS AND THREE PARKS AND THE LIST AND CLICK IT OUT AND SAY, "HEY, RANK THESE." RIGHT. RANK THE TOP 10 AT THESE PARKS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, ABBY. YEAH, THAT AND WE'RE JUST ABOUT TO START PUTTING TOGETHER OUR COMMUNITY SURVEY FOR 27, SO WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE ONE OF THE PARKS QUESTIONS SOMEWHERE ALONG THAT LINE TOO, BUT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO JUST PUTTING IT ON SOCIAL EITHER. WE DO THOSE, UH, UH, AND YEARLY NOW FOR THOSE SURVEYS. EVERY TWO YEARS FOR THE COMMUNITY SURVEY. EVERY TWO YEARS, EXCEPT WE DID IT LAST YEAR AND WE'VE... IT WAS A, UM, ADOPTED IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR, SO - YEAH, WE'RE DOING THEM EVERY YEAR. THE IDEA IS THAT SHIFT IT TO EVERY YEAR. YEAH. OKAY. ALMOST DONE. I KNOW Y'ALL ARE PACKING UP, BUT I'M ACTUALLY NOT FINISHED. AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HIPPOS. FOR THE NEXT MEETING STARTS. YEAH. YES. OKAY. WE'LL GO REALLY QUICK. UM, T21A, T21B, THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED WITH YOU ALL PREVIOUSLY. STAFF HAS, UH, CLARIFIED THAT THERE IS NO RECOMMENDATION TO CONSTRUCT THE, THE DESIGN PLANS AS CURRENTLY CAPTURED, LARGELY BECAUSE THERE'S NO, UM, IMPROVEMENT TO TRAFFIC MOVING. SO IN TERMS OF BENEFITS, YOU WOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS, YOU WOULD HAVE RIGHT TURN, RIGHT TURN DECELERATION LANES, AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL STORM DRAINAGE. SO ANY DIRECTION HERE? SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WIDENING THE ROAD? NO. WHERE ARE THE RIGHT TURN LANES? RIGHT TURN LANE IS AT CHEWY'S AND HOOKY, UH, HOOKEY'S, AND THEN THE NEXT RIGHT-HAND TURN LANE IS AT THE YMCA. THOSE ARE ON NORTHBOUND GOING NORTHBOUND. YEAH. SO NOTHING TOWARDS THE EMORY FARMS AND SCHNEIDER, RIGHT? NO. NO. I THINK WE'D TAKE THE DESIGN AND WE'D WAIT ON IT UNTIL WE... I THINK, I THINK BLUE ORIGIN MAY CHANGE THE, THE NEEDS OF THIS ROAD, SO IT'S PROBABLY BEST TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT - YEAH. THAT DOES. SORY.WHAT I ALSO WANNA HIGHLIGHT SOUNDS LIKE THE CONSENSUS, AND FORGIVE ME IF I'M SPEAKING, IS, IS TO SHELVE IT EFFECTIVELY. IF THAT IS THE DECISION FROM COUNCIL, WE DO NOT NEED TO ISSUE DEBT FOR ROADS THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO... BINGO. THANK YOU. BY THE WAY, THIS IS ONE OF THE PROJECTS I SAID I WOULD GET DONE, SO... SO YOU LOST THE BED? NO, WE'RE NOT ISSUING DEBT. SO WE CAN DO THAT PROJECT. OKAY, FIVE MINUTES. UM, INNOVATION BOULEVARD. SO THE BIGGEST CONCERN FROM STAFF RIGHT NOW IS THE INTERSECTION AT 79 AND INNOVATION. WE HAVE CONNECTED WITH TXDOT AND THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN SEEING ANY RESPECTIVE IMPROVEMENT. THEY ARE NOT IN- INTERESTED IN EXPLORING ANY KIND OF IMPROVEMENT, WHETHER THAT'S A TRAFFIC LIGHT, WHETHER THAT IS A HALF ROUNDABOUT, WHATEVER IT COULD LOOK LIKE TO ENSURE THAT TRAFFIC IS EGRESSING, ESPECIALLY ONCE THE SPROUTS DEVELOPMENT IS, IS UP AND RUNNING. AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHERE BLUE ORIGIN'S TRAFFIC IS COMING OUT ON, IT COULD BE INNOVATION, IT COULD BE ALLIANCE. THAT'S REALLY TO BE DETERMINED. UM, SPECIFIC TO EXPANSION, EXPANSION ALONG INNOVATION BOULEVARD IS CURRENTLY CONSTRAINED BY RIGHT OF WAY AV- AVAILABILITY, SO ANYTHING WE DO IS, IS GOING TO LIKELY BE EXPENSIVE AND, AND RESTRICTED ON SOME PARTS OF INNOVATION. SO - [00:55:01] THE RIGHT OF WAY ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE OR THE EAST SIDE OF INNOVATION THAT HAS AN ISSUE? BOTH, DEPENDING ON WHAT PART OF - IT'S PRETTY MUCH DEVELOPED ALL THE WAY UP AND DOWN. 7:30 IN THE MORNING, YOU CAN'T GET INTO THE - YEAH, I TRY THAT EVERY... I TRY THAT FOUR TIMES A DAY. BU I'M JUST SAYING, WE KNOW THE PROPERTY OWNER, I GUESS THAT'S ENDEAVOR. MM-HMM. THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO GIVE UP ANYTHING. I DON'T KNOW WHO'S ON THAT SIDE. WELL, WE CAN... WE, WE WILL GET RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION FROM... BECAUSE WE GOT IT FROM TOYOTA. THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. WE'LL GET IT FROM ENDEAVOR. BUT EVEN STILL, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD AND GO CONDEMN OVER THERE, PROBABLY. ONCE YOU GET BEYOND - THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INNOVATION. YOU HAVE TO BE ON THE EAST SIDE. BUT, UH, WHAT GETS DONE, UH, RIGHT THERE WITH IRONWOOD WILL, WILL DONATE. BUT ANYTHING BEYOND, LIKE, PARKER STREET - YEAH. YEAH. THERE'S ALREADY BUILDINGS THERE. YEAH, I KNOW. SO... AND EVERYTHING IS IN DESIGN OR ALMOST DONE. OH. UH, ALL, ALL AROUND THAT ROAD SHOULD BE. YEAH, TO WHERE. YEAH. WELL, THE DATA CENTER'S TO THE EAST OF THAT. UH-HUH. PORTERVILLE OR WHATEVER IT IS. MM-HMM. YOU CAN'T JUST GO OVER AND ASK FOR 20 FEET AND THEN JUST REDO THEIR PLANS AND SCOOTING BACK 20 FEET. I MEAN, WE'RE... I THINK THEY'RE ACTUALLY MOVING DIRT. WELL, THEIR, THEIR DONATION SHOULD HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED IN THEIR SITE PLAN. SO IT'S NOT SO MUCH LIKE RIGHT HERE, THIS LITTLE STRETCH THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE HERE. IT'S NORTH OF HERE THAT BECOMES THE PROBLEM. AND THEN TO COMPLICATE IT, AS KATE WAS, WAS SAYING, UH, TXDOT BASICALLY TOLD STAFF, "CLOSE THIS INTERSECTION AND SEND EVERYBODY DOWN SCHNEIDER O- O- OVER TO ALLIANCE AND GET ON 79 OVER THERE." EVERYTHING'S GONNA CHANGE. WE... I TWO YEARS WHEN THE FRONTAGE ROADS ARE ON 130. MM-HMM. UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT INNOVATION'S GONNA CARRY A BUNCH OF TRAFFIC BECAUSE WHY WOULD YOU - RIGHT. WHY WOULD YOU BE ON INNOVATION WHEN YOU CAN GO WEST STRAIGHT TO THE FRONTAGE ROAD AND THEN - ALL THE WAY TO LIMER. NAVIGATE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO? BECAUSE YOU, YOU CAN'T, BECAUSE... OKAY, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE LAZY. SO THEY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANNA DRIVE ALL THE WAY NORTH TO LIMER TO LOOP AROUND TO COME BACK SOUTH TO BE ABLE TO GO WEST. YEAH, THE SOUTHBOUND PEOPLE MAY NOT. BUT RIGHT NOW, SOUTH AND NORTH USE INNOVATION. MM-HMM. AND SO YOU MAY POTENTIALLY CUT YOUR TRAFFIC IN HALF BY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING NORTHBOUND. YEAH. IT'S THE PEOPLE COMING OUT THAT I'M, THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. YEAH. AND I'VE TOLD YOU THAT FOR A WHILE. I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IT. SPROUTS IS GONNA DUMP PEOPLE ONTO THAT ROAD AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANT TO LEAVE TO GET ONTO 79 OR TO... YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA WANNA GET ON 79 GOING EAST. MM-HMM. AND IF THEY DO THAT, THEN THEY'RE GONNA BE CUTTING ALL THE WAY ACROSS TRAFFIC TO LOOP UNDERNEATH THE RAILROAD TRACKS TO COME BACK AROUND. THAT'S A PROBLEM. AND THEN IF YOU PUT 2,000 EMPLOYEES LEAVING BLUE ORIGIN AT ANY GIVEN POINT IN TIME, HOW ARE THEY GONNA EGRESS OUT OF THERE? THEY'RE GONNA BE HITTING ALLIANCE AND DOING THE RIGHT-HAND TURN, I WOULD ASSUME, ONTO 79. AND IF THEY WANNA GO LEFT, THEY'LL BE BACKING UP EVERYTHING. SO, SO INNOVATION WON'T BE ABLE TO TRANSMIT MUCH AS A RIGHT TURN GOING SOUTH. OKAY. AND TWO MINUTES. SO WHAT I WOULD ACTUALLY APPRECIATE DIRECTION ON, IF Y'ALL ARE WILLING TO MAKE THE MOTION TONIGHT, IF NOT, I CAN BRING IT BACK. BUT WHEN THIS WAS... WHEN THE FIVE-YEAR CIP WAS PREVIOUSLY BROUGHT TO YOU, T46 AND T79 WAS GOING TO BE PARTIALLY FUNDED FROM A FUTURE ISSUANCE. NOW THAT, UH, MAYBE I JUST... NO, THAT'S CORRECT. UM, NOW THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE, WE, UH, DIRECTOR BARRETT HAS ACTUALLY ILLUSTRATED IN THAT SECOND BULLET, THE FIRST BULLET POINT UNDER FUNDING THAT WE CAN FUND THE BULK OF THIS PROJECT FROM THE TIF FUND. AND SO IF Y'ALL ARE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION, WE WILL HAVE THE PROJECT FULLY FUNDED, SO WHEN IT'S FULLY DESIGNED, WE CAN JUST GO TO BID. OKAY. YEAH. CAN WE GET THAT DONE RIGHT NOW? I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. MOTION TO FUND T46 TO T79 THROUGH THE TIF FUND. SECOND. WE GOT FOUR. WE GOT EIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION? VOTE. PORTERFIELD. AYE. SNYDER, AYE. COUNCILMEMBER ZEPEDA? AYE. COUNCILMBER KING? AYE. COUNCILMBER MORRIS? AYE. COUNCILMAN REYNOLDS? AYE. COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? AYE. ALL RIGHT. PASS THE 7-0. THANKS. THANK YOU. AND WE'LL ADJOURN AT 6:59. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.