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ALL[Planning and Zoning on November 3, 2026.]
RIGHT.DON'T HAVE GAVEL, SO, UH, I WILL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 3RD, 2026, TO ORDER AT 7:01 PM.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DE LEON.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YEAR IT IS.
HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT COMMISSIONER DE LEON? HERE.
COMMISSIONER, UH, WERTZ? UH, HERE.
AND, UH, I AM THE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER HUDSON.
SO WE'VE GOT A FULL HOUSE TONIGHT.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO MINUTES.
4.1, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING.
MINUTES FROM THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
MEETING HELD ON OCTOBER 13TH, 2026.
SO THERE'S SOME JUST LIKE CLERICAL ERRORS.
UH, KORTY HALL INSTEAD OF KORY.
UH, UH, 5.5 HAS KAUFMAN WITH TWO KS.
UM, ON NUMBER NINE, IT STATES, I CERTIFY THE NOTICE OF THE OCTOBER 6TH MEETING.
IT'S THE OCTOBER 13TH MEETING.
UH, THERE'S NO DISPOSITION ON 6.1 AS WELL.
NO DISPOSITION? LIKE, THERE'S NO- NO ACTION.
I THOUGH WE HAD SOME ACTION ON THERE.
WELL, WE WILL MAKE THOSE CORRECTIONS AND BRING THEM TO THE NEXT MONTH'S MEETING.
SO THAT BEING SAID, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 4.1.
UH, POSTPONE IT? POSTPONE UNTIL, UH.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE 4.1 UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
AND THAT IS BY VICE CHAIR WORKS AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DELAY.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
ALL RIGHT, NEXT IS ITEM 5.1, PLAT 250038.
CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE FINAL PLAT OF EMORY FARMS COMMERCIAL LOTS TWO AND THREE AMENDED PLAT, TWO ACRES MORE OR LESS CONSISTING OF ONE COMMERCIAL LOT.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, UH, ON THE MAP ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS, I HAVE, UM, TWO LOCATION MAPS JUST TO ORIENT YOU AS TO WHERE THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED.
Y'ALL DID SEE A RELATED, UM, PUD REVISION FOR THIS SAME AREA LAST MONTH.
UM, BUT JUST AS A REMINDER, IT'S ON LONG EDGEMENT BOULEVARD, UH, SOUTH OF LIMER LOOP AND NORTH OF, UH, US HIGHWAY 79.
IT IS, UM, I GUESS MORE DIRECTLY SOUTH OF EMERY FARMS AVENUE AND IT'S PART OF A PUD.
SO THE EMERY FARMS COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION WAS ORIGINALLY, UM, UH, PLATTED IN 2007.
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BEHIND ME.UM, THERE WAS ALSO AN AMENDED PLOT FOR LOTS FOUR AND FIVE, WHICH ARE JUST DUE SOUTH OF THE TWO AND THREE.
UM, THAT WAS FOR THE TOWN PLACE SUITES, UH, HOTEL.
UH, THIS COMBINATION PLAT WILL RESULT IN 2.5 ACRES, 2.05 ACRES, SORRY.
AND THEN AS I MENTIONED, THIS PLAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PUD REVISION THAT GOT SALT LAST MONTH.
SO THIS IS ALSO FOR A HOTEL SITE.
UM, THAT, UH, THE SURROUNDING USES FOR THIS PROPERTY ARE B1 TO THE NORTH.
SO THAT'S, UM, COMMERCIAL, LOCAL, LOCAL BUSINESS.
UM, YOU HAVE DAYCARE TO THE NORTH.
UM, FOR THE ECF ETJ, UM, IT'S A HUDO, UM, UNITED DISCOVERY METHODIST CHURCH.
TO THE SOUTH, IT'S PUD, UM, WHICH ENCAP- ENCAPSULATES BOTH THIS AND THIS LOT AND THE LOT BELOW IT IN THAT PUD.
UM, AND TO THE WEST, YOU HAVE THE EMORY FARM SUBDIVISION, YOU HAVE SF1.
SO, UM, STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS AMENDED PLAT.
UM, ALL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN CLEARED THROUGHOUT THE REVIEW CYCLE.
UM, STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT IT COMPLIES WITH APPLICABLE DEVELOPMENT STA- STANDARDS FROM, UH, DRIVEWAY SPACING TO SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
THE PLAT IS NOT AND THE, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS PLAT PRESENTED, UH, WITH THE CONDITION THAT LOT 3R IS RENAMED TO LOT 3A PRIOR TO RECOMMENDATION TO COMPLY WITH THE.
SO IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON 5.1? COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 5.1.
I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED FROM COMMISSIONER HALL AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DAN.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER PO - UH, SORRY, PLAT - 26-0022.
CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE REPLAT OF THE HUDDLE DATA CENTER CAMPUS SUBDIVISION ONE, BEING 97.866 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND, SIX COMMERCIAL LOTS LOCATED NORTH AND EAST OF CR132.
AND YOU'RE HANDED ONCE AGAIN FOR THE RECORD.
UM, SO HERE YOU HAVE, UH, THE NOTICE MAP THAT WENT OUT, UM, TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE RIGHT.
UH, THOSE ARE ALL THE PARCELS THAT ARE BEING AFFECTED, UM, AS PART OF THIS THREE SUBDIVISION.
ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, YOU HAVE KIND OF THE GENERAL PARCEL, PARCEL, ALL THE PARCELS COMBINED IN THAT GRAY AREA, UM, FOR WHERE THIS PROJECT IS TAKING PLACE.
SO IT IS ALONG 79 EAST OF 132.
UM, AND THAT KIND OF COVERS THE LOCATION OF IT.
SO IT WAS ORIGINALLY PLATTED IN 2024.
THE RECORD ISSUE NUMBER IS ON THE SCREEN.
UM, IN 2025, THERE WAS A SUBDIVISION THAT SPLIT LOT THREE INTO FIVE SEPARATE LOTS.
AND, UM, NOW WE'RE SEEING, UM, A SUBDIVISION OF A FEW MORE LOTS WITHIN THERE.
THIS IS A, CURRENTLY AN ACTIVE CONSTRUCTIVE, CONSTRUCTION SITE.
UM, UH, IT WAS THE APPLICANT INITIATED REQUEST.
UM, THEY ALSO SUBMITTED A RED LINE DOCUMENT THAT I HAVE ON THE FUTURE SLIDE, UM, THAT SHOWS THAT IT DOES NOT POSE ANY CONCERN WITH WHAT'S ON SITE RIGHT NOW.
UM, NONE OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS WILL ENCROACH ON ANY, UH, OF THE LOT LINES OR SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
BUT SO THE LOTS THAT WILL BE CREATED, THERE WILL BE FIVE NEW LOTS CREATED, UM, WITH LOT TWO TURNING INTO LOT 2A AND 2B.
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LOT 3F, 3G, AND 3E, UM, ARE ALL NEW, AND LOT 3A WILL INCREASE IN SIZE FROM THE LAST.SORRY, LOT 3E AND 3A ARE BOTH CHANGING IN PLAN.
THE ONE IN YOUR PACKET MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE CLEAR, BUT HERE IS THE SUBDIVISION, UM, WITH THE RED LINES.
AND SO, YEAH, YOU'LL SEE KIND OF HOW THOSE BUILDINGS DON'T, UM, POSE ANY IMPACT ON THOSE BUILDING LINES.
UM, AND THEN THE REST OF THE AREA IS YET TO BE DEVELOPED.
SO THROUGHOUT THE REVIEW CYCLE, ALL THE COMMENTS THAT CAME UP, THEY'VE BEEN ADDRESSED AT THIS POINT, UM, AND STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THE REQUEST COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICABLE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND THEY ARE NOT A SHOCK CLOCK BILL AND STAFF RECOMMENDS THIS, UH, TO BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED.
WHERE'S THE EXISTING DATA CENTER THAT'S BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW? IS THAT IN THAT BIG SQUARE TO THE, UH, LEFT, THE BOTTOM? OR AM I...
SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? HE'S ASKING WHERE THE EXISTING BUILDING IS.
WHERE'S THE EXISTING DATA CENTER? IS, IS IT ON THERE SOMEWHERE? THE ONE THAT THEY'RE BUILDING RIGHT NOW? I BELIEVE - IN THE SQUARE? YEAH, IT'S IN THE SQUARE.
SO THERE'S THREE VERTICAL BUILDINGS, THE LOWER LEFT THERE.
THOSE ARE THE EXISTING DATA CENTERS THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED RIGHT NOW.
WHERE MY MOUSE IS HOVERING RIGHT NOW, RIGHT THERE.
WHICH ONE OF THESE ARE EXISTING DATA CENTER BUILDINGS? ALL THREE OF THOSE.
SO THOSE ARE NOT PART OF THE PLAT? NO.
UM, THE ONE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED WITH A SEPARATE SITE PLAN IS UP IN THE TOP RIGHT CORNER, WHERE THAT BIG OPEN AREA IS.
BUT YEAH, THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS, IS FIRE GONNA LOOK AT THE, THIS PROPOSED? SO, UH, AS PART OF THE, UH, STAFF REVIEW, THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO SUBMIT A FIRE, UH, APPROVAL SHEET.
SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS ALREADY LOOKED AT IT.
IS THIS THE ISSUE WE HAD WHERE WE INCORRECTLY PLOTTED THIS, THIS DATA CENTER? I THOUGH WE ACCIDENTALLY PLOTTED THE ROAD FOR SOMETHING.
NO, THAT'S THE KRUGER BOULEVARD.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? WELL, I REMEMBER WE HAD TO GO BACK.
OH, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN KRUGER.
MY QUESTION IS, UH, ALL OF THESE LOTS WILL HAVE ACCESS.
SO THEY HAVE INTERNAL DRIVES THAT, UM, WILL GRANT ACCESS TO, UH, EITHER COUNTY ROAD 132 OR COUNTY ROAD.
WELL, YEAH, COUNTY ROAD 132 KIND OF BENDS LIKE THAT THERE.
SO, UM, THEY'LL HAVE ACCESS THROUGH INTERNAL DRIVE.
MY, MY ONLY REAL CONCERN IS IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, UH, WHAT IS IT? THAT'S LOT, UH, 3F.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT CONNECTED TO WHAT APPEARED TO BE THE ROAD IN LOT ONE.
AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK LOT 3A KIND OF PROVIDES THAT ACCESS THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT IT, LOT 3A KIND OF STRETCHES ALONG THE WHOLE, UM, PROJECT.
AND SO LOT 3F ON THE SOUTH SIDE CONNECTS TO LOT 3A, AND THAT'LL CON - PROVIDE ACCESS TO THAT ROAD ON LOT ONE.
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IN THE PACK OF THE DATA CENTER SUBDIVISION.YEAH, SO IT'LL BE LIKE A PRIVATE ROAD ACCESS EASEMENT, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE LIKE EIGHT LOTS WITH FLAGS.
SO THEY JUST, THAT SECURES US.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT.
LOT ONE, WHICH IS THE CURVED ROAD ONE, LOOKS LIKE THE ROAD CURVES AWAY BEFORE IT ACTUALLY CONNECTS TO WHAT, WHAT IS NOW LOT 3F.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL SHEET, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF LOT 3F, WHERE IT CONNECTS WITH LOT 3A, THEY'LL HAVE AN INTERNAL DRIVE THERE IN LOT 3A.
AND IF YOU CARE TO SPEAK TO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM...
OKAY, SO THAT, SO JUST, THAT'S BASICALLY, UH, KIND OF AN L-SHAPED LOT THEN? YES.
SO, SO 3F, 3F IS CONTINUING FROM...
SO IT'S CONTINUING FROM PAGE TWO OF SEVEN AND 307, THAT'S ALL LOT 3F.
I KNOW I'M POINTING HERE, BUT I HAVE A POINTER.
BUT 3A JUST GOES LIKE A STRIP ACROSS.
SO THAT ROAD AND THEN 3F WILL, WILL TOUCH THAT, THAT ROAD.
THOSE LOTS WHERE IT SAYS 3F, THE TWO SMALLER ONES ARE 2B AND 2A.
AND THOSE, THOSE WILL HAVE ACCESS, OR LOT 2B WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE ROAD IN LOT ONE.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY 2A WOULD HAVE 3A AND LOT ONE ACCESS.
AND C, D, E WOULD ALL HAVE ACCESS TO 3A AND LOT 3G WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO CR132 TO THE SOUTH.
AND FIRE IS GOOD WITH ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE ACCESS TO THAT.
JUST, UH, JUST GONNA ASK WHY THE SUBDIVISION INTO ALL THESE LOTS INSTEAD OF A CAMPUS TYPE SETUP? CAN YOU? UH, THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING SPECIFIC THE LANDLORD WANTED TO DO IN CASE IT EVER DECIDED TO SELL OFF A PIECE OF THE CAMPUS TO A TENANT IN FUTURE POINT IN TIME.
BUT O- OBVIOUSLY, THE TEN - OR LANDLORD STILL HOLDS OWNERSHIP OF THE ENTIRE CAMPUS AS A WHOLE RIGHT NOW.
I PROBABLY GET IN TROUBLE FOR ASKING THIS.
YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST THIS PROJECT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MEGA SITE AS A WHOLE? YEAH, ON THE MEGA SITE.
I MEAN - DO WE HAVE - I MEAN, IT'S NOT PERTINENT TO THIS PLOT, BUT ALSO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT IS COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT.
NO, I, I'M JUST WONDERING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UM, DATA CENTERS SEEM TO BE A HOT TOPIC RIGHT NOW.
AND, UH, THIS ONE'S ALREADY ENTITLED.
I, I, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I, I'M JUST SITTING HERE THINKING HOW MANY MORE ARE WE GONNA HAVE? YEAH.
IF WE DON'T KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW IT.
WHATEVER COMES DOWN THE PIPELINE THOUGH, A- AT LEAST, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS WILL SAY IN THE NEW CODE, BUT, UM, IT'S ALL SPECIFIC USE PERMITS, SO IT'LL HAVE TO BE NOTICED AND IT'LL, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC WILL BE MADE AWARE OF IT.
AND, AND THAT KIND OF LEADS ME TO MY SECOND QUESTION.
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SAY FOR SAKE OF ARGUMENT, SAKE OF DISCUSSION, UH, THAT LOT 3E, BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER, I - THERE'S NOT A BUILDING THERE RIGHT NOW.LET'S SAY THAT IS SOLD BY THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY TO SOMEONE ELSE.
THAT INDIVIDUAL USE FOR THAT LOT WOULD THEN REQUIRE A SEPARATE SUP.
IS THAT CORRECT? IT DOESN'T FALL UNDER THE BLANKET OF THIS ONE.
AS SOON AS IT'S A TRANSFER OF OWNER, A NEW SUP HAS TO BE INITIATED.
IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S NOT GRANDFATHERED.
IT DOES NOT RUN WITH THE LAND.
NOW, I'M NOT SURE IF I'M JUST LOOKING AT THIS WRONG OR FROM WHAT I REVIEWED THIS WEEK, BUT IS THAT A DETENTION POND, THAT ONE? 3F? YES.
BUT, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT.
JUST FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION.
3G RIGHT NOW IS JUST AN EMPTY LOT.
3G IS A DETENTION POND THAT SERVES A CHECK OF THE SITE.
SO IF ANYTHING WERE TO BE SOLD OFF, THEN WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT A NEW SUP FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? NO.
AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 5.2.
YOU NEED TO HOLD A, YOU NEED TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
I NEED TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, WITH THAT, LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:23 PM.
AND IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM? SO THE ONES THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT RE-PLANNING NOW, CAN YOU SAY YOUR NAME, SIR? CORY.
UM, FOR THE ONES THAT YOU GUYS ARE - OH, AND YOUR, YOUR ADDRESS OR? 210 ARNAGE.
AND COULD YOU DO US A FAVOR? COULD YOU STAND UP AND COME OVER HERE?
THE ROOM'S A LITTLE - WE'RE ALL, WE'RE OLD OVER HERE.
USUALLY, USUALLY WE HAVE MICROPHONES.
UM, SO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DISCUSSING WITH THE RE-PLATTING, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS CONCERNS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SELLING THE LAND TRANSFER OWNERSHIP, YOU KNOW, THE, THE KIND OF USE THAT WOULD BE ENABLED FOR THAT, THAT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO GO THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE APPROVALS PROCESS IF THEY WERE TO...
LET'S SAY THE DEVELOPER NOW THAT HAS CONTROL OR OWNERSHIP OF ALL OF THE LAND, IF THAT'S SPLIT OUT AND THEY SOLD OR THEY, WHEN THEY SELL IT TO SOMEONE, THAT PERSON, IF THEY WANTED TO GO PUT IN ANOTHER DATA CENTER, THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE APPROVALS PROCESS? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND A PUBLIC HEARING WOULD HAVE TO BE HELD AND - UH-HUH.
UM, AND THEN LATER ON I HAD COMMENTS RELATED TO THE EDC ITEM, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S GETTING TABLED CORRECT OR PUSHED.
WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THEM.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? I SEE NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AT 7:25 PM.
AND NOW I WILL OPEN THAT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? NOTHING FURTHER? ALL RIGHT.
WELL, THEN LET, UH, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS SIX LOTS OR FIVE LOTS? SO SIX TOTAL LOTS ARE BEING IMPACTED, FIVE NEW LOTS ARE BEING INCLUDED.
SO WITH THE, UM, CHANGE IN SIZE OF LOT 3A.
SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S THE, THE SUBJECT LINE HAS SIX AND THEN THE - OKAY.
UH, SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DE LA CRUZ AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HALL.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT, HEARING NONE.
UH, NEXT IS ITEM 6.1, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO RECOMMENDED REVISIONS FOR CHAPTER ONE THROUGH THREE OF THE UPDATED UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO, UH, JEN FISHER, UH, IN ORDER TO ENSURE ADEQUATE PUBLIC INPUT AND, UH, RE - MEET REQUIRED NOTIFICATIONS, WE HAVE, UM, WE'RE GOING TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM AND BRING IT BACK, UH, THE DECEMBER 1ST, UM, PNC, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE
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NOTICE, NOT JUST BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, BUT BEFORE PNZ AS WELL.AND SO WHEN WE GET TO THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT, UM, I WILL JUST BRIEFLY, WITH HOWARD, JUST SHARE, UM, A SCHEDULE THAT, THAT WE PUT TOGETHER THAT HAS THE TIMELINES AND THE, THE DATES GOING FORWARD FOR ALL OF THE STEPS.
UM, AND I'LL KEEP THIS VERY BRIEF, BUT JUST, JUST SO WE'RE, WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.
SO SINCE YOU ALREADY LOOKED AT ONE AND TWO, IT'LL JUST COME BACK IN DECEMBER.
AND SO YOU DO HAVE A SECOND CRACK AT IT IF YOU, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE THE INFORMATION, THE SAME INFORMATION THAT WE HAD, UM, VOTED ON SO THAT IT'S, IT'S CLEAR IN THERE.
SO THAT COULD BE A, A ONE-MINUTE DISCUSSION AND SAY, "OKAY, YEAH, SAME THING AS, AS OCTOBER." OR WE COULD, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND THEN THAT'LL GO TO COUNCIL IN JANUARY.
SO I'M GONNA SHARE THAT IN A FEW MINUTES.
SO ANY OBJECTIONS TO TABLING UNTIL ONE DECEMBER? NO.
CAN I ASK, JUST BECAUSE I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ON THE PARKING, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TABLED TO KIND OF DISCUSS WITH YOU.
SO WHAT ARE WE LEANING WITH THE PARKING ASPECT, LIKE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS? I'LL LET HOWARD AND MANNY WEIGH IN TOO, BUT MY OPINION IS WE STICK WITH WHAT WE HAD BEFORE.
SO IF WE COME BACK IN DECEMBER ONE, WE DO THE SAME MOTION AS, MINUS ANY OTHER LITTLE TWEAKS FROM OTHER SECTIONS THAT YOU WANT.
BUT THE PARKING ITEM AND THE DATA CENTER ITEM IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE VOTE.
SO WE LOOK AT EVERYTHING ELSE BECAUSE DATA CENTER, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THE STUDY AND PARKING STAFF AND, AND WHOEVER ELSE HAS, HAS DIRECTED WILL, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
AND I THINK THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS WERE SPLIT ON THE PARKING TOO, UM, AS, AS WE WERE INTERNALLY, I THINK JUST, JUST SO MANY DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON THAT, WE JUST WANNA DO IT CORRECTLY AND, AND TAKE A LOOK.
SO - HAVE WE, UH, SO THOSE ARE TWO THINGS I WANTED TO BRING UP.
THE, THE PARKING ASPECT, UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADD, THERE ARE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CITY TO BASICALLY KIND OF REVITALIZE SOME OF DOWNTOWN.
AND I THINK SOME OF IT WHERE MAYBE WE CAN, THE HBC HANDLES SOME OF THAT, THOSE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, BUT THAT ZONE COULD BE NO RESTRICTION AND THEN KIND OF LOWER RESTRICTION OUTSIDE OF THE, THE DOWNTOWN.
I'VE RESEARCHED IT, IT, IT IS BENEFICIAL FOR OUR DOWNTOWN BECAUSE I THINK IT, IT INVITES SOME MORE BUSINESS WHERE WE HAVE A TON OF VACANCIES IN OUR DOWNTOWN RIGHT NOW.
UM, SECOND IS, HAVE WE LOOKED AT TAYLOR'S NEW, UH, CODE? 'CAUSE I THINK THEY INTRODUCED CODE FOR A DATA CENTER AS WELL.
I THINK IT WAS CALLED THE DIGITAL, THEIR DIGITAL INFRASTRUCTURE CODE, I BELIEVE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD ALSO LOOK AT AS FAR AS, BECAUSE THEY'RE RIGHT THERE IN OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT, AS PART OF OUR RESEARCH, WE'LL ADD THOSE TWO ITEMS ALSO.
SO ANY OBJECTION TO TABLING - NO.
OH, DO WE GET A MOTION ON THE, THE, ON THAT ITEM? OR I GUESS IT WOULD JUST BE, BECAUSE IT'S, BECAUSE IT'S ON THE AGENDA, I THINK WE NEED TO VOTE TO TABLE IT.
WE, WE PROBABLY SH - WE PROBABLY SHOULD MAKE A MOTION ON IT.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO BOTH UNTIL DECEMBER 1ST.
THEN I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DELAY AND A SECOND BY VICE CHAIR WERTZ.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF TABLING TO ONE DECEMBER, SAY AYE.
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR REPORT.
MOST OF THE TIME WE BRING STUFF BACK TO YOU IS BECAUSE THERE IS SOME MINUTE LITTLE DETAIL THAT, YOU KNOW, GETS GLOSSED OVER.
SO PLEASE FORGIVE US IF WE GO BACK AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT MINUTE DETAILS LIKE VOTING ON THAT.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING REVOLUTIONARY.
I'M NOT GONNA DRAG OUT THE MEETING, UM, ANY LONGER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE.
I DID WANNA POINT OUT THAT MANNY AND I ATTENDED THE STATE PLANNING CONFERENCE LAST MONTH ON EVERYTHING.
UM, AFTER THIS MEETING IN OCTOBER, WE, I DROVE UP THERE VERY EYE.
UH, CHECKED INTO THE HOTEL AT ALL OF 12:30 OR 12:45 IN THE MORNING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, NOTHING REALLY REVOLUTIONARY TO TALK ABOUT.
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LEARN QUITE A BIT ABOUT TWO SUBJECTS IN PARTICULAR, AND I'M STILL WAITING FOR FEEDBACK FROM THE PRESENTERS THAT I EMAILED THEM.ONE WAS ON MANUFACTURED HOMES.
THE RULES AND LAWS, UM, RELATED TO MANUFACTURED HOMES, WHAT CAN I SAY? THE MANUFACTURED HOME LOBBY MUST HAVE FOUND THE BACK DOOR TO THE LEGISLATURE BECAUSE THEY, UM, HAVE CHANGED THE LAWS AND REMOVED MANY, MANY OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE EMPOWERED WITHIN LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND AGENCIES FOR THEIR, UH, LOCATION AND TYPE AND SIZE.
UM, SO THEY ARE, UH, PERMISSIBLE IN MANY MORE AREAS.
I LEARNED THAT NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DISTRICT WHERE MANUFACTURED HOMES, AND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS BOTH ON AND OFF FRAME.
IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE, MANUFACTURED HOME ON FRAME IS WHAT YOU'RE THINKING OF A TRAILER, A TRAILER HOME.
SINGLE WIDES AND DOUBLE WIDES THAT THEY TALK ABOUT, THEY'RE REFERRING TO ON FRAME MANUFACTURED HOMES.
THERE IS A CONCEPT OF OFF FRAME MANUFACTURED HOME, WHICH IS BASICALLY A MODULAR HOME, WHICH IS WHERE MOST OF THE COMPONENTRY IS BUILT OFFSITE, DELIVERED TO THE SITE, AND CRAMED TOGETHER LIKE A, LIKE A BIG PUZZLE.
AND, AND SO THAT'S PREFABRICATED IS WHAT THE COMMON USAGE IS FOR THAT.
BUT BOTH OF THOSE HAVE, UH, AN A- AN AVAILABILITY NOW.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN AIR, UM, A DISTRICT IN YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW TODAY THAT ALLOWS FOR THEM BY RIGHT.
NOT SUPS, NOT CUPS, NOT, YOU KNOW, ANY, JUST BY RIGHT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DISTRICT IN YOUR ORDINANCE.
AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DISTRICT ON YOUR ZONING MAP TODAY THAT REFLECTS THAT DISTRICT THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
DO WE HAVE THAT? YEAH, WE LOOKED AT IT ON THE CAR RIDE HOME AND WE, WE, WE DO.
WE THINK THAT WE CAN ALLOW THEM IN OUR SINGLE FAM - SOME OF OUR SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS - YEAH.
WHERE THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRED.
NOW, UM, THE HOAS STILL HAVE THEIR AUTHORITY IN THE STATE, SO THEY CAN, UM, CCNRS OR WHATEVER THEY'RE, THEY'RE CALLED, THEIR RULES CAN, CAN TALK ABOUT HOME TYPE AND CONSTRUCTION AND LOCATION AND THINGS THAT CAN BE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE LEGISLA - OR WHAT THE, THE GOVERNMENT PUTS TOGETHER, THE CITY GOVERNMENT PUTS TOGETHER.
BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE A PROVISION FOR THAT.
AND, UM, I THOUGH THAT WAS, THAT WAS REVOLUTIONARY AND THAT'S HOW THAT SESSION STARTED.
THE REST OF THE SESSION WAS SOMETHING THAT I, I PRETTY MUCH KNOW ABOUT, BUT I, WHEN I TALK TO PEOPLE, THEY SORT OF GLAZE OVER.
UM, MANUFACTURED HOMES ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN THEY USED TO BE.
UM, RE- RECENCY BIAS BEING WHAT IT IS.
I, I KNEW VERY LITTLE ABOUT TRAILERS OTHER THAN THE STEREOTYPES AND THE JOKES AND THE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MARGINALIZING THOSE, UH, RESIDENTS AND THAT TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION AND, AND IT WAS GENERALLY LOOKED DOWN UPON.
AND BACKING THAT UP WAS, UM, WE HAD SOME FAMILY FRIENDS THAT LIVED UP IN THE NORTHEAST AND WE WENT ON VACATION UP TO NEW ENGLAND ONE SUMMER AND WE WENT TO VISIT HER AND SHE LIVED IN A TRAILER AND IT WAS EVERYTHING I THOUGH IT WOULD BE.
IT WAS A SUBSISTENCE WAY OF LIVING AND I FELT GENUINELY REMORSEFUL THAT WE HAD TO LEAVE HER IN THAT SITUATION WHEN WE DROVE BACK TO OUR HOME.
UM, AND I CARRIED THAT WITH ME UNTIL I WENT TO GRADUATE SCHOOL.
UM, WHEN I WAS IN GRADUATE SCHOOL BETWEEN 2002, 2004, THERE WAS A GIRL THAT WAS IN MY YEAR AND HER FAMILY WAS A MANUFACTURED HOME CONSTRUCTION, UH, COMPANY.
AND SHE WAS THE, THE DAUGHTER, THE SECOND, MAYBE THIRD GENERATION IN THIS, IN THIS FAMILY.
HER, HER, UH, TERMINAL PROJECT WAS ON IT.
SHE ORGANIZED A, UM, FIELD TRIP FOR US TO GO AND LOOK AT SOME OF THESE THINGS.
THIS WAS, THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, TURN OF THE CENTURY.
THEY WERE SO MUCH WILDLY NICER THAN ANYTHING I HAD EVER SEEN OR HEARD ABOUT.
AND SINCE THEN, I HAVE MADE IT A POINT THAT ANYTIME SOMEONE INVITES ME INTO ONE, I WILL GO.
I WANT TO GO SEE THAT HOME IN THE INSIDE OF IT.
AND SINCE THAT TRIP WHERE I SAW SEVERAL OF THEM, UM, I'VE, I'VE BEEN IN TWO HOMES.
UM, ONE USED TO BE, YOU KNOW, FAMILY IN-LAWS, BUT, UM, AND THAT, THAT, THAT HOUSE WAS JUST OUTSTANDING.
SO I IMPLORE YOU THAT IF YOU GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN ABOUT THEM, THERE IS A MANUFACTURED HOME ASSOCIATION, THERE IS A WEBSITE, SOME OF THE INFORMATION I'M WAITING FOR FROM THIS GENTLEMAN.
UM, THE, THE, FIND OUT WHAT YOU CAN ABOUT THEM.
AND ANYTIME SOMEBODY BRINGS UP THE SUBJECT, LET THEM KNOW, DON'T, DON'T BRING UP SOMETHING FROM 1974.
DON'T BRING ME ANY INFORMATION FROM 1989.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY WERE REALLY, I, I THOUGHT OF EXCELLENT QUALITY AND THE ARRANGEMENTS THAT THEY HAVE FOR, UH, PURCHASE AND OWNERSHIP IS MUCH CLOSER ALMOST TO AN AUTOMOBILE TYPE OF, UM, UH, ACQUISITION AND FINANCING THAN REAL ESTATE.
AND IT CAN SERVE AS THE, THE LOWER
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END OF THE MISSING MIDDLE FOR A LOT OF FOLKS.YOU CAN BUILD EQUITY IN THEM, UM, OR AT THE VERY LEAST YOU CAN STOP, YOU KNOW, SENDING MONEY INTO, UH, RENT ALL THE TIME THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY GET BACK AND AT LEAST INVEST IT INTO SOMETHING IN WHICH YOU'RE LIVING.
UH, THEY WILL BE AT TML THIS YEAR, WHICH I THINK IS IN SAN ANTONIO.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU ARE GOING DOWN TO THAT.
THEY PLAN ON BUILDING A MANUFACTURED HOME VILLAGE AT THE SITE OF THE CONFERENCE.
YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GO DOWN THERE AND SEE TWO OR THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT TYPES, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, BELIEVE THIS OR NOT, THE, THE TYPICAL SINGLE WIDE THAT YOU EXPECT TO SEE.
THEY ALSO HAVE SOME THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY SINGLE WIDES WHERE THEY JUST TAKE ONE AND BREAK INTO HALF AND MAKE IT INTO LIKE A SMALL OR DOUBLE WIDE, JUST A HALF DISTANCE DOUBLE WIDE, UM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A GREAT LITTLE STARTER HOME OR SOMETIMES, UH, CABINS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SECOND HOMES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THERE IS NOW A PROVISION IN STATE LAW THAT ALLOWS THEM TO BE MULTI-STORY.
AND I, THE FIRST TIME I EVER SAW IT, AND HE HAD SOME SLIDES UP AND SHOWED IT THAT THERE WAS A TWO-STORY ON FRAME MANUFACTURED HOME.
HE SAID THE ONLY THING THAT WAS NECESSARILY AWKWARD ABOUT IT WAS THE, THE LENTILS BETWEEN THE TOP OF THE FIRST FLOOR, THE BOTTOM OF THE SECOND FLOOR, GOING UP THE STEPS IS PARTICULARLY LONG BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY GET UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR, BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S A VOID SPACE BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM.
SO, UM, I, I, I THOUGH THAT WAS, THAT WAS A FASCINATING CONFERENCE OR SESSION AND I WAS GLAD TO GO IN THERE AND LEARN ABOUT IT.
UH, QUESTION ABOUT THE MANUFACTURED HOMES.
UM, IS THAT INCLUDING, I, I'VE SEEN A FEW ARTICLES OVER IT ABOUT IT IN RECENT YEARS, THE 3D PRINTED HOMES OR THE ROBOT BUILT HOMES, IF YOU WILL? I DON'T THINK SO NECESSARILY.
I THINK THE MANUFACTURED MEANS IT WAS MANUFACTURED OFFSITE AND THEN BROUGHT TO THE SITE.
I THINK THE 3D PRINTED JUST, IT'S THE CODE THAT SAYS WHAT BUILDING MATERIALS YOU CAN USE.
AND THAT'S A - IT DOESNT MATTER HOW YOU ASSEMBLE IT.
IT'S A TYPE CONSTRUCTION LESS THAN A - OKAY.
I WASN'T SURE IF THEY WERE LUMPING THAT IN THERE OR IF THEY WERE SAYING, "NAH, IT'S JUST LIKE A REGULAR HOUSE." NO, THE THING ABOUT MANUFACTURED HOMES THAT KEEPS THEM FROM BEING MORE OF RV TYPE IS STILL THE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE BLUE TAG, OR JUST MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE BUILT TO A SPECIFIC PERMANENT RESIDENTIAL STANDARD AS OPPOSED TO RVIA, WHICH IS THE, THE GROUP THAT LOOKS AT RVS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE INHABITABLE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MORE PORTABLE AND MOVABLE.
SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THAT I KNOW BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
BUT AS FAR AS, AND I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THOSE, THE MUD THING JUST KIND OF.
YEAH, LIKE A 3D PRINTED GEORGETOWN.
I'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF VIDEOS ABOUT IT.
UM, THE THING I DON'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT IT IS I'VE ONLY SEEN THE VIDEOS WHERE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF DOING THE POOR THING AND THAT'S IT.
LIKE I SAID, OKAY, HOW DO YOU FINISH THAT? LIKE DO YOU PUT SHEET ROCK ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT OR I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY IN HOW TO, UH, AND I'M, MY BUILDING INSPECTORS ARE HAPPY FOR IT BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT EITHER, SO.
ANOTHER ONE I WENT TO WAS CASE LAW.
NOT, YOU KNOW, EVERY OTHER YEAR THAT YOU GO, THERE'S A SESSION THAT TALKS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AT THE LEGISLATURE AND IT'S USUALLY A REAL DOWNER.
BUT I MEAN, IT'S WELL ATTENDED, BUT BAD NEWS THAT YOU DIDN'T WANNA GET, BUT YOU'RE GLAD TO HAVE IT.
THIS WAS MORE ABOUT DIFFERENT CASE LAWS THAT HAPPENED, UM, IN THE, IN THE RECENT PAST, IN THE PAST FIVE OR EIGHT YEARS, UM, JUST ABOUT STORIES THAT RELATED TO, UH, LAND USE AND HOUSING AND DIFFERENT, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, I KNEW THE PRESENTER THERE.
UM, I HOPE TO GET HER, UH, INFORMATION BACK AND I'LL TRY AND PASS THAT ON TOO.
BUT OTHERWISE, I DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN ANY OF THE TRACT THAT WAS FOR, UM, APPOINTED AND ELECTED OFFICIALS.
I, I DIDN'T GO TO ANY OF THOSE BECAUSE USUALLY I HAVE MOST OF THAT INFORMATION.
BUT, UM, I WAS, I WAS GLAD TO GO.
I, I IMPLORE YOU IF YOU GET THE OPPORTUNITY, AND SORRY YOU DON'T GET MORE SUPPORT FROM THE CITY ON THE EDUCATION SIDE, BUT IF YOU GET THE CHANCE TO READ ABOUT THINGS, UM, IT'S THE ONLY WAY REALLY THAT I HEAR ABOUT STUFF LIKE THIS, NEW ORDINANCES, NEW LEGISLATION, NEW TECHNOLOGIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IS TO GO OUT AND TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT.
AND, UM, SO IT WAS TIME WELL SPENT.
THERE IS THE NATIONAL CONFERENCE THAT'S COMING IN APRIL TO THE CITY OF HOUSTON.
THEY WERE ADVERTISING THAT, UM, PRETTY HARD, PUTTING THAT OUT THERE EVERYWHERE.
UM, I DON'T RECALL WHEN IT IS.
I DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE A PLAN TO ATTEND, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE FUNDING TO ATTEND.
PLUS, WE JUST WENT TO THE, THE STATE ONE.
BUT, UH, IF YOU GET THE CHANCE, THINK ABOUT IT.
DID, DID SEE BRIAN, BY THE WAY, I THINK SHOOK HIS HAND LIKE TWICE OR SO, BUT - HOW MUCH IS THE SAN ANTONIO? UH, WELL, SAN ANTONIO'S TML.
HOUSTON IS THE, THE NATIONAL PLANNING CONFERENCE.
IT'LL BE MORE THAN LIKELY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE STATE ONE.
UM, I WENT TO ONE NATIONAL CONFERENCE IN MY 22 YEARS OF PLANNING.
IT WAS IN NEW ORLEANS IN 2018.
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UM, AND IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, REGISTRATION ALONE WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE 13S.AND THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING SIX, EIGHT YEARS AGO.
UM, I'M SURE IT'S GOTTEN NOTHING BUT MORE EXPENSIVE, AND HOUSTON'S A MORE EXPENSIVE TOWN THAN NEW ORLEANS EVER WAS.
SO I, I CAN IMAGINE IT'S PROBABLY A FAIRLY HEFTY EXPENSE.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WANNA SHARE A FEW THINGS AS WELL.
IT WON'T BE AS IN DEPTH AS HOWARD, BUT IT'LL BE MORE BROAD.
UM, SO I THINK SOME OF THE MOST INTERESTING STUFF I GOT TO WITNESS ALL THERE, AND I THINK COULD BE OF INTEREST TO Y'ALL AS WELL.
ONE WAS ABOUT, UM, NON-FIXED TRANSIT ROUTES AND DEVELOPING AROUND NODES OF INTEREST FOR THAT.
SO I KNOW, I, AND I'VE SEEN IT OUT IN THE GARAGE TODAY WITH ALL THE VOTING GOING ON THAT WE HAVE LIKE A, A CARPOOL WITH THAT METRO CARPOOL VAN OUT THERE.
SO A LOT OF CITIES USE THAT DATA TO FIND NODES OF INTEREST.
UH, THE MOST COMMON THING IS PEOPLE ARE USING IT TO, TO GET TO WORK.
OR, AND THE SECOND MOST THING IS DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS.
SO, UM, FINDING THOSE HOTSPOTS, MAPPING IT OUT, AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO COME MAKING THOSE BIG PLANS, YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, YOUR FAN - FUTURE LANDING MAPS, SEEING HOW YOU CAN, UM, DEVELOP AROUND THOSE INTERESTS WHICH ARE ALREADY GOING AND MAKING, FACILITATING, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING TO ONE PLACE AND GETTING ALL YOUR NEEDS THERE.
UM, THERE WAS ONE ABOUT THE FINANCIAL MECHANISMS FROM THE CITY SIDE AND THE PRIVATE SIDE FOR, LIKE, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SOME OF THE BARRIERS THAT THERE ARE TO IT.
UM, I AM REACHING OUT TO THE LADY, UH, WHO PRESENTED, UH, AND GETTING SOME OF THE STATISTICS THAT SHE SHARED AND THE SLIDES THAT SHE SHARED, AND HOPEFULLY SHARING MORE OF THAT INFORMATION IN DEPTH WITH Y'ALL AT A LATER DATE.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST TALKED, LIKE I SAID, THE BARRIERS, THE PROS, THE CONS, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW TO GET STUFF LIKE THE CO-OP DONE, BECAUSE I KNOW KIND OF IT COMING ALONG SLOWLY, COMING ALONG.
OH, UH, REVITALIZATION PROGRAM, WHICH WAS BOTH MURALS AND FACADE IMPROVEMENT.
WE RECENTLY LAUNCHED ONE, UM, BUT PLANNING HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT INVOLVED IN THAT.
BUT SO IT WAS CITY OF CARROLLTON.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW PRETTY MUCH THE, THE LITTLE BIT OF MONEY THEY, THEY PUT IN HAS EXPONENTIALLY, UH, THEY'VE SEEN A HIGH ROI ON THAT RETURN ON I- INVESTMENT.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT FOR EVERY THOUSAND DOLLARS THEY PUT IN, I THINK THEY GOT, LIKE, 6,000 IN TAX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT - UH-HUH.
I, I THINK, I THINK CARROLLTON PRESENTED FOR ONE OF THEM THAT I WAS AT IN 24.
WELL - SO I THINK GEORGETOWN HAS SET THEIR DOWNTOWN AS A ART DISTRICT, I BELIEVE.
AND SO I THINK, BECAUSE I, I ATTENDED ONE OF THEIR, UH, FULL DOWNTOWN...
THERE WERE TWO CITIES THAT THEY WERE THERE.
ONE WAS GEORGETOWN, AND THEY MADE IT IN OUR DISTRICT SO THEY CAN RECEIVE FEDERAL FUNDING AS FAR AS WHATEVER THAT IS.
AND SO, UH, I THINK THEY WORKED WITH PARKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT WAS A, IT WAS LIKE LAST YEAR WHEN I WATCHED IT, SO.
YEAH, I, I, I BELIEVE IT WAS CARROLLTON - YEAH.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE TO SEE, BECAUSE THEY WERE IMPLEMENTING THAT.
IT, I THINK THEY HAD JUST IMPLEMENTED IT.
SO IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO HEAR WHAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, GETTING THEIR FROM THAT.
THEY HAD A ARTICLE THAT THEY HANDED OUT THAT MADE IT INTO A NATIONAL NEWSPAPER, AND I'LL BRING Y'ALL A COPY OF THAT AS WELL NEXT TIME.
UH, BUT THEY STARTED OFF WITH COMMERCIAL STRIP CENTERS THAT WERE, HAD HIGH VACANCY RATES.
UM, AND SO THEY PRETTY MUCH JUST WENT AROUND AND, UM, STARTED WITH HIGH TRAFFIC INTERSECTIONS AND TARGETED THOSE DEVELOPMENTS AND THEN JUST SPREAD THE PROGRAM AS THEY SAW IT BE SUCCESSFUL.
AND, UM, THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT HOW WHEN THE CITY KIND OF BACKS THIS FACADE IMPROVEMENT, IT'S A LOT EASIER FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO GET FUNDING FROM THE BANK.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF THOUSAND, UM, 2,000 ON A 50K PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE BANK IS A LOT QUICKER TO, TO GIVE OUT THAT LOAN.
UM, SO KIND OF BUILDING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THEN, UH, OVER TIME, THEY'VE GROWN THAT PROJECT FROM THOSE VACANT COMMERCIAL STRIP CENTERS INTO THEIR DOWNTOWN AS WELL.
AND THEN, UH, PLACEMAKING THROUGH THE MURAL PROGRAM THAT THEY STARTED, UH, JUST SEEING PEOPLE WHO OTHERWISE WOULDN'T...
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ALSO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF BEING ON A MAJOR INTERSTATE CORRIDOR, UM, AND THEN HAVING THESE REALLY TALL GRAIN SILOS THAT ARE ABANDONED, UM, BUT PUT BIG MURALS ON THERE AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, THEYD SEE A LOT OF TRAFFIC, PEOPLE STOPPING BY WHO OTHERWISE WOULDN'T HAVE STOPPED BECAUSE THEY SEE THOSE BIG ART PROJECTS.UM, SO JUST SOME STUFF THAT I THOUGH Y'ALL WOULD MAYBE FIND INTERESTING, MAYBE INSPIRATIONAL, MAYBE Y'ALL WANNA DIVE MORE INTO IT.
YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ANY, I'M GONNA SAY DOCUMENTATION, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WENT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE HANDING OUT PACKETS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S COLOR PICTURES, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING.
AND JUST REALLY HELPS GET, LIKE YOU SAID, INSPIRATIONAL AND, YOU KNOW, GET, GET THE BRAIN THINKING ABOUT CAN WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT HERE? HOW COULD WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT HERE? DO YOU SUGGEST US LOOKING INTO ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY TO KINDA MORE IN DEPTH? UM...
I GUESS REALLY IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT PIQUES YOUR INTEREST THE MOST, YOU KNOW? IT'S LIKE, BY HAVING A, A TEAM OF WELL-ROUNDED AND WELL-EDUCATED COMMISSIONERS WITH, YOU KNOW, BROAD, YOU KNOW, POCKETS OF INTEREST THAT BRINGS NEW PERSPECTIVES TO THE TABLE.
SO IF YOU FOUND ONE AREA INTERESTING AND WORDS FOUND ANOTHER AREA INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN EDUCATE ON THAT SUBJECT, YOU CAN EDUCATE ON THE OTHER, YOU KNOW?
OTHER THAN THE ONLY OTHER THING WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IS THE UPCOMING SCHEDULE.
I'M GONNA LET, UH, JEFF GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE REST OF MY TIME.
SO, UM, WE'LL KEEP THIS BRIEF, BUT BASICALLY FURTHER TO OUR DISCUSSION ON THE UDC EARLIER AND TABLING THAT.
SO WE, WHAT I DID IS I WENT THROUGH, UM, ALL OF THE STATE LAW AND CITY LAWS.
JUST, I KNOW WE'VE DONE THIS THE FIRST TIME WAY BEFORE I GOT HERE, DEALING WITH THE ENTIRE UDC.
THIS IS NOW JUST A REVISION SCHEDULE.
AND SO MOST OF THIS IS FOR US, LIKE WHEN TO SEND IT TO THE NEWSPAPER, WHEN IT'S POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.
BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS YOU GUYS WANNA FOCUS ON IS THE YELLOW.
SO CHAPTERS ONE AND TWO WILL COME BACK ON 12 / ONE TO P&Z, AND THEN WE WILL, WE WILL THEN TAKE WHATEVER IS VOTED ON THERE AND BRING IT TO THE COUNCIL MEETING THE FOLLOWING MONTH, BUT IT'LL BE THE SECOND MEETING OF THAT MONTH BECAUSE THE FIRST MEETING IS TIED UP WITH A LOT OF THE SAME ITEMS YOU GUYS VOTED ON.
AND SO THEN THAT MEETING DRAGS ON FOREVER.
SO WE'RE GONNA SPLIT IT UP AND THAT WAY WE CAN ALL FOCUS, THEY CAN FOCUS ON WHAT YOU GUYS VOTE ON AT THE SECOND MEETING.
SO IT'LL BE ABOUT SIX WEEKS IN BETWEEN.
UM, BUT IF YOU FOLLOW THAT BASICALLY ALL THE WAY TO THE END, SIX AND SEVEN, UH, WE PUT TOGETHER AS WELL, UM, STORMWATER AND DRAINAGE.
AND BECAUSE MOST OF THAT'S IN THE ENGINEERING MANUAL, IT WAS LIKE SIX PAGES.
SO WE'RE PUTTING SIX AND S - MY, MY PLAN WOULD...
WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE THIS, BUT SIX AND SEVEN TOGETHER.
ANYWAY, THE FINAL DATE, UM, THE LAST MEETING FOR YOU GUYS ON WHEN WE GET TO DEFINITIONS, WHICH SEEMS EASY, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF, THAT WILL GO JUNE 1ST, AND THEN A FINAL VOTE AT COUNCIL.
AND OF COURSE, THERE'S A SECOND READING TOO, SO IT'LL BE BEGINNING OF AUGUST, BUT JULY 15TH WILL BASICALLY BE THE LAST VOTE.
BUT I THINK GETTING IT TO YOU ALL BY JUNE, UH, BASICALLY MEANS WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN STILL DO IT IN SIX MONTHS.
IF THEY ASK US TO PUSH IT UP, THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM TO MOVE THAT TO THE FIRST, UM, COUNCIL MEETING THAT MONTH IF WE HAD TO.
BUT I THINK THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SITTING ON IT AND WE'RE ALSO NOT RUSHING IT.
WE'RE DOING IT WITH ENOUGH TIME.
AND WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT NOTIFICATIONS ARE GOING OUT.
THIS PUBLIC IS VERY ACTIVE HERE.
UM, MORE ACTIVE, WHICH IS GREAT.
MORE ACTIVE THAN A LOT OF CITIES HAVE WORKED IN.
SO I THINK THAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRANSPARENT, WE'LL SHARE INFORMATION, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT IT.
SO IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
BUT, UM, AND, AND LIKE WE DID WITH ONE AND TWO, IF WE SAY, "HEY, DATA CENTERS AND PARKING, WE'RE NOT READY FOR THAT," YOU CAN STILL MAKE THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON EVERYTHING ELSE, AND THEN IN THE MOTION TO SAY, "WELL, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK INTO THAT." 'CAUSE I THINK WITH THE DATA CENTER STUDY STILL PENDING, AND I THINK WITH THE PARKING ISSUES, I MEAN, WE, YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE THIS IN OTHER CITIES WHERE IT'S JUST ME OUT THERE
AND I MEAN, DEPENDING ON WHAT COUNCIL HAS IN MIND OR, OR WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR BUDGET, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M CONFIDENT WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING OURSELVES IF WE NEED TO, BUT BOTH OF THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE BIGGER PICTURE, UM, ITEMS. SO- SO, UH, I'VE GOT A QUESTION ON, UH, CHAPTER THREE.
THEY DID S - UH, LEGAL SPLIT OUT THE SIGN CODES.
SO ARE WE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE SIGN CODES SEPARATELY OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE ROLLED INTO CHAPTER THREE? IT'LL
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BE SEPARATELY BECAUSE IT, IT WAS MOVED BACK INTO THE, THE, UH, CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES.AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT.
SO THAT'S NOT GONNA BE PART OF THIS UDC LOOK THROUGH.
JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ON THAT.
'CAUSE THEY DID, LIKE I SAID, THEY DID PULL IT OUT AFTER WE GOT ROLLING ON THIS PROCESS.
I GUESS, I GUESS WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT NOW.
UM - UH, I HAD, I HAD A QUESTION.
SO THERE, THERE WAS A BIG STINK, UH, AT COUNCIL ABOUT THE, HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, WHO GETS NOTIFIED AT A CERTAIN...
UM, IT TECHNICALLY IS STATE LAW, IT'S FOLLOWING STATE LAW, BUT THE CONTEXT AND PRIOR ACTION TO COUNCIL HAD REQUIRED A 600-FOOT RADIUS OF NOTIFICATION.
IS THERE ANYTHING IN, OR IS THERE A WAY WHERE WHEN WE GO THROUGH THESE, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE BRAND NEW, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE CONTEXT.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE HAVE THAT CONTEXT WHERE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN? WHERE IT'S LIKE...
Y- YOU KNOW, IT WAS NO FAULT OF ANYONE.
IT WAS JUST, I HATE LISTENING THAT WE'RE LOOSENING THAT AND WE'RE TRYING TO HIDE STUFF.
AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE THERE.
I MEAN, I'LL LET YOU GUYS SPEAK ON IT TOO, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE...
WE'RE FULLY STAFFED HERE AND, AND GREAT TEAM WITH US.
SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT YOU GUYS WILL AT LEAST SEE IT NOW AND BRING THE REVISIONS BACK.
UM, WE GET CALLS AND EMAILS FROM THE PUBLIC.
THERE'S A, UH, YOUNG LADY THAT WAS HERE TONIGHT, SO I'VE ALREADY GIVEN HER MY BUSINESS CARD AND, UM, EXPLAINED TO HER BASICALLY THIS, UM, BECAUSE SHE HAD TO GO.
AND SO I THINK WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE NEWSPAPER NOTIFICATIONS, MAKING SURE THAT FOLLOWS ALL THESE STATE AND LOCAL GUIDELINES, THEN, UM, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE'RE AS TRANSPARENT AS, AS WE CAN.
UM, AND IF THERE'S CHANGES, UM, LIKE THE MAYOR HAD SAID, WE'LL REDLINE THOSE DOCUMENTS, AND THEN WE'LL BRING, WHEN WE BRING IT TO COUNCIL, IT'LL HAVE YOUR MARKUPS THAT YOU VOTED ON.
I'LL BE WORKING ON THAT AND LEGAL, OUR ATTORNEY ALWAYS CHECKS IT TOO.
SO WHEN THAT GOES TO THE 12-1 MEETING, WHATEVER WE VOTE ON THERE, WE'LL GO TO THE JANUARY 21ST MEETING, AND THAT WILL HAVE ALL OF THE...
ANY RED LINES TO WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE, IN THE NEW UDC THAT COUNCIL PASSED ON THE 15TH, PLUS ANYTHING YOU GUYS ADD.
SO IT'LL BE VERY TRANSPARENT, AND THAT'LL GO ONTO THE, UM, AGENDA.
SO IF THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, THROUGH AT LEAST THREE BUSINESS DAYS BEFORE WOULD, WOULD KNOW ABOUT IT.
NOW, UM, AS FAR AS THE VOTING AND KIND OF PROCESS GOES, ARE WE GOING TO BE PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO BE SUBMITTING A RED LINE, "THIS IS WHAT WE'VE COLLECTLY, COLLECTIVELY DECIDED NEEDS TO BE CHANGED." WHICH, WHICH ROAD ARE WE GOING? IT'S BOTH.
LEGALESE, IT'S, IT TECHNICALLY IS AN AMENDMENT, SO IT...
WHEN WE SEND OUT OUR NEWSPAPER NOTICE NEXT WEEK, IT'LL SAY AN AMENDMENT TO THE NEW CITY CODE THAT WAS ADOPTED OCTOBER 15TH.
BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT COUNCIL SEES, THEY'RE JUST GONNA SEE THE CLEAN COPY OF THAT CHAPTER, PLUS ANY RED LINES ON THAT, ON THAT.
SO PROBABLY WE'LL HAVE A CLEAN VERSION, THEN WE'LL HAVE A SECOND VERSION THAT WILL HAVE THE RED LINES.
I, I, I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE, UH, COUNCIL WILL SEE ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, AND, OH, IT HAS TO GO BACK FOR REVISION, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, CORRECTION AND SO ON.
AND THEN IT'S, IN COUNCIL'S CASE, TWO WEEKS LATER, THEY SEE IT AGAIN.
AND I WOULD HATE TO DELAY JUST BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET THE FORMAT OF THE AMENDMENT CORRECT IF WE'RE GOING JUST RED LINES.
OR S - YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE LET'S NOT DELAY THIS WITH PROCEDURAL ISSUES - RIGHT.
ONCE WE DECIDE, "HEY, THIS NEEDS TO BE CHANGED." YES, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS HERE, BUT I MEAN, I, I WOULD THINK IT'S OKAY FOR US TO CREATE THAT RED LINE VERSION THAT YOU ALL VOTED ON.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH QUORUM RULES, BUT SHARE IT WITH WHAT THREE OF YOU, SO IT'S NOT A MAJORITY.
JUS SAY, "HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE SAID," AND THEN WE'LL SEND IT ON TO LEGAL FOR A FINAL REVIEW, AND THEN WE'LL UPLOAD IT TO COUNCIL.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
IS THAT YOUR CONCERN? THAT THE, THAT THE...
'CAUSE WHAT COMES FROM THIS BODY WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION.
AND NONE OF IT MAY BE APPROVED.
IT MAY ALL GO UP AND NONE OF IT CHANGES.
BUT WHAT, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS I WOULD HATE FOR US TO PUT TOGETHER A FORMAL AMENDMENT LANGUAGE - UH-HUH.
IT GETS TO LEGAL AND THEY SAY, "OH, NO, THIS ISN'T GONNA WORK," AND NOW IT COMES BACK TO
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US A MONTH LATER AND WE HAVE TO REVISE IT.NO, IT, IT WOULD GO - THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT.
COUNCIL AND THEY'LL SEE THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS X, Y, AND Z.
AND IMMEDIATELY ON THE HEELS OF THAT WOULD BE A NOTE FROM LEGAL THAT SAYS, "YOU CAN'T DO X OR Z." OKAY.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
I WANT TO GET THIS PROCESS DONE RATHER THAN GET MIRED IN RED TAPE.
YOU KNOW, THEY - I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S TWO SCHOOLS OF THOUGH, AND I WAS, I WAS - COMPROMISE.
REALLY, REALLY WORRIED AT THAT AUGUST MEETING, THAT JOINT MEETING THE FIRST TIME.
BECAUSE I THOUGH THAT THEY JUST WANTED TO HAVE IT OUT RIGHT THERE.
AND I SAID, "THIS IS 400 AND CHANGE PAGES." YEP.
"ARE WE GONNA BE HERE TILL 4:30 OR 5:00 IN THE MORNING?" TILL WE FINISH IT.
AND I, AND I WAS UTTERLY PETRIFIED THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN.
MANNY AND I WERE THERE, AND I WAS - YEP.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE.
AND I THOUGHT, WELL, THE ANSWER WAS JUST TO GO STRAIGHT TO APPROVAL.
THEY APPROVE AND THEN COUN- COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, 7-0 SAID, "WE'LL ACCEPT AMENDMENTS." IT'S IMPORTANT.
HOW OFTEN DO WE DO THIS? YEAH.
SO I, I THINK IT'S WORTH TAKING MONTHS.
AND THE OTHER TERRIBLE THING THAT HAS TO...
I MEAN, IT'S NOT AN EXCUSE, IT'S AN OBSERVATION.
THERE ARE A LOT OF TURNOVER IN STAFF AND THE PERSONS THAT WENT THROUGH IT, WENT THROUGH IT, AND THE THIRD PARTY AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER HAPPENED WITH THEIR VERSION THAT DIDN'T GET ANY TRACTION AFTER A LOT OF TIME WAS SPENT WITH THAT AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN ONE, TWO, THREE...
THIS IS THE FOURTH START, YOU KNOW, OF THIS.
IF YOU COUNT, YOU KNOW, THE TIME, BY THE TIME I GOT HERE.
AND I, I STARTED WITH THE RELICS OF THREE OF THOSE STARTS AND HAD TO MAKE SOMETHING ON THE FOURTH AND QUOTE UNQUOTE FINAL ONE.
UM, NO, IT DIDN'T END UP BEING THAT WAY, AND THIS IS THE FOURTH START FOR THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A PLAN AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH IT.
WE'RE, WE'LL HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I'LL HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS AND MAYBE IT'LL GET SOMEWHERE.
IT ALSO DEPENDS ON HOW DISTRACTED THE COUNCIL IS.
IF SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP THAT THEY'RE REALLY CONCERNED WITH AT A MEETING, AND WE ARE ALSO ON THAT AGENDA, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THEY'LL, THEY'LL END UP, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THIS AT THAT MEETING.
SO WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL IT'S OVER.
AND, AND THAT, THAT KIND OF BRINGS UP...
UH, THAT, THAT KIND OF BRINGS UP ONE OTHER CONCERN, IS WE'RE LOOKING AT GOING THROUGH JUNE.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE DOING THE CIP STARTING JANUARY, FEBRUARY TIMEFRAME, AND THAT'S GOING TO EAT UP MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF TIME.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE WORK SESSIONS AND MULTIPLE MEETINGS AND ALL OF THAT GOODNESS, JUST LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR.
WE'LL TRY AND KEEP THIS TO REGULAR MEETINGS THEN.
YO KNOW, THAT'S ONE CHAPTER AT A TIME.
IS IT, IS THERE, IS THERE REVISIONS TO MASTER PLANS COMING UP AS WELL NEXT YEAR? I THOUGH SOMETHING WAS SUPPOSED TO BE - WE'RE, WE'RE OVERDUE ON SOME OF THEM.
YEAH, THE CO - THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE A UPDATE.
IT WAS NOT BUDGETED IN FY27, DESPITE THE CONVERSATIONS WERE HAD IN THIS BUILDING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THOSE CONVERSATIONS GOT, BUT IT DIDN'T, DIDN'T SHOW UP IN THE BUDGET.
SO NOTHING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS GONNA GET STARTED BEFORE OCTOBER 1ST, 2027.
'CAUSE IT WAS NOT, IT WAS NOT BUDGETED FOR THE FISCAL YEAR THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW.
AND I, I WOULD, I WOULD PUSH BACK FIERCELY IF THEY JUST SAID, "WELL, HOWARD, Y'ALL JUST DO IT.
YOU AND MANNY AND JEFF, YOU CAN DO IT." YOU KNOW? I MEAN, THOSE, THOSE THINGS ARE BIG, BIG DEAL NOW.
AND THEN DO WE, AND DO WE PLAN ON, LIKE, FUTURE STATE OF THIS PROCESS OF, LIKE, WHEN, LIKE, WHEN DO WE REVIEW IT AGAIN? OR IS IT JUST, LIKE, WHENEVER WE FEEL LIKE IT - I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT WAS THE IMPETUS FOR THIS GO AROUND IN 20, WHAT, 23, 24, WHENEVER IT STARTED THE FIRST TIME? YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPETUS WAS FOR THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S INCREMENTAL CHANGES, AND THEN EVENTUALLY, IF YOU...
EITHER YOU FIND THAT THE CODE'S NOT WORKING FOR YOU OR YOUR COMMUNITY HAS CHANGED, ONE OR THE OTHER.
SOME- SOMEBODY COMES TOGETHER WITH THAT REALIZATION.
UM, IT'S NOT TOO OFTEN THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE COMPOSITION OF THE COUNCIL OR THE COMPOSITION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT NECESSARILY CAN INCENTIVIZE THAT CHANGE.
I, I'VE ALWAYS SEEN IT WHERE YOU HAVE AN OLD VERSION THAT'S HAD INCREMENTAL CHANGES, AND I ALWAYS REFER TO THAT AS THE SHIP, AND YOU JUST PAINT THE SHIP WITH A COUPLE OF TEXT AMENDMENTS, AND NOW IT'S SHINY AGAIN, AND YOU, AND YOU KEEP USING IT.
WELL, EVENTUALLY, YOU CAN'T PAINT OVER THE RUST ANYMORE.
SO YOU DO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REPLACE AND, YOU KNOW, REVEAL AND REPLACE.
AND, AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING
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THAT'S WHOLLY DIFFERENT.THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT THIS IS.
THE BONES OF THE NEW ONE ARE BASICALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, DUG UP FROM, FROM THE OLD ONE.
UM, WHEN'S THE PLAN FOR THE NEW ONE? THERE, THERE'S NO REAL ANSWER TO WHEN THE, THE PLAN WILL BE FOR THE NEW ONE.
I, I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S JUST WHEN, WHEN THE ONE WE'RE USING NO LONGER SERVICES OUR NEEDS, UH, WE WOULD COME THROUGH AND, AND DO A DIFFERENT ONE.
NOW, I'VE SEEN SOME COMMUNITIES THAT EVERY 10 YEARS DO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND EVERY FIVE YEARS DO AN UPDATE TO THEIR, UH, CITY CODE TO MATCH WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ASKING FOR, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE INCONGRUENT.
THE UDC IN THIS CASE OR ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUB RANKS IN MOST CASES, UM, IS, IS SOMEWHAT, YOU KNOW, BACKWARDS AND, AND STATIC.
SO THOSE GET CHANGED ON A, ON AN APPROVED SCHEDULE.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS COMMUNITY DOES NOT HAVE A PLAN OR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE FOR US TO DO THAT.
SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE INDEPENDENT, RIGHT? WELL, YEAH, THEY ARE.
THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS, YEAH.
WELL, I MEAN, LIKE, THERE'S BE SOME KIND OF, LIKE, SOME TYPE OF INTERSECTION ON SOME OF THE CODE, UM, INTO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, RIGHT? UM, NO.
I MEAN, THE COMP PLAN IS JUST A, THE GUIDING DOCUMENT, BUT THE UDC IS THE LAW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MONUMENTING THE TERMS OF WHATEVER THE LAW IS, SO.
UM, BUT ONE SHOULD REFLECT THE OTHER AND VICE VERSA.
I THINK SOME OF THE NEW ZON- ZONING DISTRICTS AND THE NEW CODE ALIGN BETTER WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THOSE DISTRICTS THAT ARE OUTLINED THERE.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, FRIES AND NICHOLS PROBABLY STARTED WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BEFORE THEY EVER STARTED MAKING ANY CHANGES TO OUR, TO OUR CODE TO TRY TO GET IT TOGETHER.
AND THEN THE, UH, THE LAST COM - I'M NOT SURE HOW WE ADDRESS THIS PROCEDURALLY, BUT I DO NOT WANT TO GET INTO ANY SORT OF DELAY OR ANY SORT OF LEGAL PROBLEM WHEN WE LOOK AT CHAPTER THREE AND WE SEE THIS PARTICULAR RE - I'M JUST GONNA SAY 301, WE'RE CHANGING THAT AND THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT 205.
SO CHAPTER TWO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO AND SAY, "OH, YEAH, UM, DO WE PUT THAT ON NEXT MONTHS?" OR DO WE HANDLE IT RIGHT THEN AND THERE WHILE EVERYONE'S LOOKING AT IT, SAY, "OH, YEAH, WE'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE, WE'RE CHANGING 301, WE'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE 204." YEAH, WHEN WE DO OUR REVIEW, WE TRY TO...
AND, AND I WILL, GOING FORWARD, I WILL MAKE SURE TO ALL OF US AS A GROUP LOOK AND SEE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT CONTRADICTS EACH OTHER.
WHEN WE GET TO THE MEETING THOUGH, YEAH, I, YOUR SECOND POINT IS, IS THE ONE I THINK.
SO IF YOU GUYS CATCH SOMETHING, BRING IT UP WITH US AT THE PNC MEETING AND WE CAN ADD IT TO THE DOCUMENT AND PLUS EVERYTHING WITH, YOU KNOW, LAPTOPS SO WE CAN TYPE IT IN RIGHT THERE.
I ALWAYS KEEP AN EXTRA COPY AND THEN I'LL TYPE IT IN SO WE DON'T FORGET.
'CAUSE YEAH, IT'S - YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT.
I, I, I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, LEGAL SAYING YOU CAN'T DISCUSS CHAPTER TWO BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
AND SOME THINGS ARE GONNA COME BACK, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE DATA CENTER, WE MIGHT GET THE STUDY BACK IN FOUR MONTHS AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE IN, YOU KNOW - YEAH.
SO THEN WE'LL BRING BACK A LITTLE BIT OF CHAPTER TWO AND A LITTLE BIT OF CHAPTER THREE IN FEBRUARY WITH CHAPTER SIX.
I THINK THAT'S OKAY AS LONG AS GENERALLY MOST OF IT WE KNOCK OUT EACH TIME.
SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE PACKET, WE'RE NOT GOING TO INCLUDE, UH, I'LL SAY IN, UH, JANUARY, WE'RE NOT GONNA INCLUDE CHAPTER ONE AND TWO IN THE PACKET.
AND THEN, HEY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN REFER BACK TO YOUR NOTES AND YOUR PREVIOUS PACKETS FOR CHAPTERS ONE AND TWO.
OH, THIS CHANGES CHAPTER THREE.
WE'RE NOT INCLUDING CHAPTER THREE.
WE DON'T NEED A 400-PAGE PACKET.
AND THAT'S WHAT I TOLD THE, THE CUSTOMER.
UM, AND SHE, AND SHE RAISED A GOOD POINT.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE PUBLIC WANTS TRANSPARENCY, SO I EXPLAINED THAT TO HER.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE ANYTHING THAT WAS VOTED ON BEFORE IS GONNA BE IN THE MINUTES.
THERE'S GONNA BE A COPY OF THOSE DOCUMENTS IN THE PREVIOUS AGENDAS THAT EVERYONE CAN GO ON THE WEBSITE AND FIND.
AND, YOU KNOW, SHE'S GONNA SEE THE RED LINES THAT WENT FROM HERE TO COUNCIL AND THEN ANYTHING THAT COUNCIL APPROVES.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S AN EASY WAY TO GET THAT.
AND IT, AND IF THEY'RE NOT SURE, THEY CAN ALWAYS CALL MANNY OR ME OR HOWARD AND WE CAN SEND THAT TO THEM.
AND JUST, JUST LOOKING AT THE PROCEDURE OF IT AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S...
WE, WE DON'T NEED TO START DOING, UH, YOU KNOW, FOIAS AND ALL OF THAT OPEN RECORD REQUESTS AND ALL THAT STUFF - YEAH.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DISCUSSIONS REGARDING, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? WE'RE DOING THE ENGINEERING MANUAL.I BELIEVE Y'ALL WILL SEE IT AGAIN.
I THINK IT'S GONNA GO STRAIGHT TO COUNCIL AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL REVIEW IT.
I THINK IT'S JUST GONNA END UP BEING SORT OF A, ANOTHER SECTION OF ZIP CODE.
I, I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF US...
I MEAN, HONESTLY, IT MIGHT JUST BE OUR, OUR POLICY.
UH, WHICH WE CAN ALSO, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING, FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE A POLICY THAT SAYS IF YOU COME INTO THE CITY AND YOU'RE WITHIN 500 FEET OF WASTEWATER, YOU NEED TO TIE INTO THAT WASTEWATER IF YOU HAVE SEPTIC TODAY.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T WRITE THAT DOWN.
IT'S JUST THE WAY WE DO THINGS HERE.
SO THAT KIND OF THING WILL JUST BE OUTSIDE.
UH, UH, I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING FURTHER AND THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER ON THE AGENDA.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING OF PNZ AT 8:08 PM.