7.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, and Area Government appointments.

[7.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, and Area Government appointments.]

I HAVE SOMETHING FOR 9.3, AND 12.1.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 7.1. CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENT, REAPPOINTMENTS AND/OR IT MIDDLES TO CITY BOARDS, EMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOP AND CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX RECRUITMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS, AND AREA GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING?

[7.2. Consideration and possible action regarding recommendations or updates from City Council sub-committees (i.e. HISD, Fire Safety, CIP, Community Services Commission).]

ALL RIGHT. 7.2.

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RECOMMENDATIONS OR UPDATES FROM CITY COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEES.

HISD IS NOT MET. FIRE SAFETY IS NOT MET.

CIP? >> WE WILL BE MEETING DECEMBER

10TH. >> OKAY.

COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMISSION. HAVE YOU MET? ALL RIGHT. WE DO HAVE A NEW GROUP.

I GUESS WE CAN CALL IT. THE HUTTO INVOLVEMENT TEAM COMMISSION. THAT IS COUNCILMEMBER REYNOLDS AND COUNCILMEMBER MCKEEN MEETING WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. THEY WILL HAVE SOME UPDATES.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS A MEETING ON FRIDAY.

[8.1. Presentation and possible action on a request for City Sponsorship of an Eagle Scout Project to Install Storm Drain Medallions. (Luke Schroeder)]

WE APPRECIATE YOU GUYS VOLUNTEERING FOR THAT.

ALL RIGHT. 8.1.

PRESENTATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A REQUEST FOR CITY SPONSORSHIP OF AN EAGLE SCOUT PROJECT TO INSTALL STORM TRAIN--

STORM DRAIN MEDALLIONS. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I'M EXCITED TO INTRODUCE YOU TO MR. LUKE SCHROEDER, WHO HAS A PROPOSAL FOR HIS EAGLE SCOUT CONTRACT.

I WILL TURN IT OVER TO HIM AND HE WILL COME ON UP.

>> GOOD EVENING TO YOU ALL. MY NAME IS LUKE SCHROEDER.

I AM MEMBER OF TROOP 7-ELEVEN, BOY SCOUT TROOP IN PFLUGERVILLE.

I COME TO YOU TODAY TO PRESENT MY EAGLE SCOUT PROJECT WHICH HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY. AND I COME TO REQUEST A SPONSORSHIP FOR FIVE PROJECT. THIS IS A PUBLIC AWARENESS PROJECT. ME AND MY FELLOW VOLUNTEERS WILL PLACE STORM DRAIN MEDALLIONS ON STORM DRAINS IN A HUTTO NEIGHBORHOOD TO REMIND PEOPLE WHERE THE STORM DRAINS LEAD TO, WHICH IS WATERWAYS AND STREAMS, LAKES, CREEKS, THINGS OF THAT SORT. SO THE REASON I WANT TO DO THIS PROJECT IS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT STORM DRAINS, AS I SAID, LEAD TO OUR LOCAL WATERWAYS, WHICH A LOT OF TIMES IS WHAT WE ARE DRAWING WATER FROM FOR DRINKING WATER.

AND IF IT IS CONTAMINATED, THAT AFFECTS OUR DRINKING WATER.

AND A LOT OF TIMES THESE STORM DRAINS GO STRAIGHT TO THERE UNTREATED. SO MY SOLUTION IS TO PLACE 109 STORM DRAIN MEDALLIONS, AND I WILL GET TO THE SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD SOON, TO ULTIMATELY EDUCATE PEOPLE ABOUT WHERE THE WATER ENDS UP. SO THIS WILL ADDITIONALLY HELP OUR MS FOUR-- THE MUNICIPAL SEPARATE STORM SEWER SYSTEM, WITH THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, BY-- WELL, DOING MY PROJECT. BY PROVIDING A POLLUTION PREVENTION MESSAGE-- HERB-- POLLUTION PREVENTION METHOD TO THE PUBLIC. SO WHAT I AM ASKING HERE TODAY IS, WILL THE CITY BE ABLE TO FUND THIS PROJECT? I AM ALREADY PROVIDING THE LABOR AND EXECUTION.

BUT I ASK FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE IN FUNDING.

SO THIS IS THE SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD.

I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ZOOM IN ON IT.

BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO IT LATER.

ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE IT LISTS THE SPECIFIC STREETS WHERE-- AND

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THE NUMBER OF STORM DRAIN MEDALLIONS ON IT.

THE MIDDLE ONE HAS A BIRDS EYE VIEW SCHEMATIC OUTLYING WHERE THESE STORM DRAINS ARE, AND THE THIRD ONE POINTS OUT, AND GOOGLE MAPS, PRETTY MUCH, WHERE THE STREETS THAT WE WILL BE PLACING THE STORM DRAINS ON. THE ESTIMATED COSTS FOR THIS IS $945.98. IT HAS COME FROM ESTIMATES FOR MATERIALS, SUPPLIES AND TOOLS. THE MATERIALS IS THE MOST CLOSE TO A-- THE BEST ESTIMATE THAT I HAVE.

THAT'S 125 STORM DRAIN MEDALLIONS AND ADHESIVES.

THAT'S $825.98. SUPPLIES INCLUDE SAFETY GLOVES AND IT REFRESHMENTS TO VOLUNTEERS.

$70 ALLOCATED FOR THAT. HOPEFULLY I CAN SPEND A BIT LESS SO WE ARE NOT WASTING MONEY. BUT THE TOOLS ARE GLUE GUNS AND BRUSHES TO SPRAY DOWN THE STORM DRAINS BEFORE THE MEDALLIONS.

—-DASH HAVE A PICTURE UP THERE WITH THE SPECIFIC STORM DRAIN I AM USING. I CHOSE IT BECAUSE IT'S COST EFFECTIVE AND HAS BILINGUAL MESSAGING.

SO PEOPLE WHO SPEAK SPANISH, BUT ALSO WHO CAN GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS TO THEM. THERE WILL NOT BE ANY CONFUSION THERE. AS I SAID, THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY OF HUTTO, AND OTHERS, BUT I WOULD REQUEST-- LIKE TO REQUEST FOR FUNDING FOR IT.

THERE ARE AROUND FOUR THINGS THAT I NEED TO COMPLETE A PROJECT. LABOR, ORGANIZATION, EXECUTION AND FUNDING. I AM HANDLING THREE OF THOSE, BUT I ASK FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE ON THE PORTLAND, WHICH IS FUNDING.

I HAVE TAUGHT MOST OF THE SUPPLIES.

SPECIFICALLY THE STORM DRAIN MEDALLIONS AND I SEEK FUNDING THROUGH REIMBURSEMENT. I WILL HAVE THE RECEIPTS AND I WILL SEND IT TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THEY WILL REIMBURSE ME THROUGH THAT WAY. THE TIMELINE FOR THIS, I HOPE TO FINISH THIS BY THE END OF NOVEMBER.

I WANT TO BE EXPEDITIOUS ABOUT THIS.

I DON'T WANT TO WASTE YOUR TIME. AND I WANT TO GET THIS DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IN THIS MATTER, AND I WOULD BET-- WOULD LIKE TO THANK MISSES MORIARTY FOR HER PATIENTS AND ASSISTANCE IN THIS PROJECT. I HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.

GOD BLESS. >> WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING.

I KNOW-- I REMEMBER ONE DAY WHEN I WAS IN YOUR SHOES, I DID NOT GET IN FRONT OF A BIG GROUP LIKE THIS, I'M NOT VERY GOOD WITH CROWDS. SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH. YOU BOUGHT THE MEDALLIONS, AND YOU BOUGHT THE REFRESHMENTS AND THE GLUE AND DO STUFF LIKE THAT?

>> THE ADHESIVE COMES WITH THE STORM DRAIN MEDALLIONS.

I HAVE GOTTEN THAT. I HAVE NOT PURCHASED THE REFRESHMENTS AT. SO I HAVE NOT GOTTEN RECEIPTS

FOR THOSE. >> I LOVE THIS VERY MUCH.

THE ONLY THING I HAVE HESITATION IS NORMALLY, WHEN I WAS A SCOUTMASTER FOR A TROOP FOR MANY YEARS, MOST OF THE TIME EVERYBODY HAD TO FUND RAISE THEIR OWN MONEY.

I'VE NEVER SEEN IT LIKE THIS BEFORE.

WHICH DOESN'T MAKE IT A BAD THING, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE IN ALL MY YEARS OF SCOUTING, I THINK A PORTION OF IT, IT WILL HELP YOU IN LEADERSHIP IF YOU WERE TO TALK TO LOWE'S, THERE A HUGE CONTRIBUTOR TO THE SCOUTS. IF YOU WALK THERE AND ASKED FOR GATORADE, POWERADE, STUFF LIKE THAT, I KNOW THE MANAGER WOULD DONATE. EVEN HOME DEPOT DONATES GIFT CARDS AND THINGS. YOU ARE NOT ASKING FOR A LOT.

BUT PERSONALLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY MAYBE GIVE YOU A PORTION OF IT. BUT THE OTHER PORTION, PART OF YOUR GROWING IN TO AN ADULT WOULD BE GOING OUT AND ASKING PEOPLE TO HELP FUND THE PROJECT. WOULD YOU DONATE $100.

I KNOW THAT EVERY PERSON THAT EMAILS ME, I TEND TO GIVE THEM MONEY FROM MY ACCOUNTS. BE THAT SOCCER OR SCOUTS, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I KNOW IT IS AN EFFORT.

OTHER THAN THAT I THINK YOU DID A TERRIFIC JOB.

AND I'D LOVE TO SEE THIS MOVING FORWARD.

>> THANK YOU. I WILL TAKE THAT IN TO

CONSIDERATION. >> I THINK IT'S A GREAT EFFORT.

A GREAT CAUSE. BUT I CONCUR WITH THE MAYOR HERE. I NEVER WAS AN EAGLE SCOUT.

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I'VE GONE TWO MERIT BADGES BEFORE.

BUT PART OF THAT IS FINANCIAL ORGANIZATION.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE A GREAT PRESENCE, YOU'RE ABLE TO TALK AND STUFF LIKE THAT. YOU ARE STILL YOUNG IN A LOT OF WAYS. ANYWAYS, I SUPPORT THAT, AND I'M SURE THAT IF YOU WENT TO INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS THAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO CONTRIBUTE AS WELL.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR STEPPING UP.

WE ARE A SCOUTING FAMILY. MY DOCTORS DID SCOUTING.

AND I FULLY SUPPORT REIMBURSING WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE.

I KNOW FROM GOING THROUGH THE SCOUTING PROGRAM AND WORKING WITH THEM FOR A FEW YEARS BEFORE, YOU ALREADY DO A LOT OF FUND-RAISING. SO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT'S LIKE AND HOW MUCH IT SUPPORTS. AND EVERYTHING IS DONATION BASED. AND IT'S A LOT OF LEARNING THAT YOU DO. SO I THINK THIS PROJECT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND I'M IMPRESSED THAT YOU CAME UP WITH THAT.

IT'S AN EXCELLENT PROJECT. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT TO

US. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> I THINK ABOUT THE ADOPT A SIGN, ON THE ROAD WHERE YOU ADOPT A PORTION OF A SIGN TO PICK UP LATER.

I THINK IF YOU WENT TOWARDS HOA'S AND COMMUNITIES-- I'M SURE THERE ARE SEVERAL OF US THAT ARE BOARD MEMBERS ON HOA'S, THIS COULD BE DONE IN MULTIPLE COMMUNITIES WITHIN THE CITY OF HUTTO, OR THE NEIGHBORHOODS OF HUTTO.

SO IF YOU WANTED TO LET THIS GET A LITTLE LARGER, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE MY INFORMATION WITH YOU.

LIKE JIM SAID, I'D BE WILLING TO DONATE TO YOUR CAUSE, BUT ALSO SEE IF WE CAN GET YOU TO COME OUT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> I WILL MAKE THE MOTION THAT

WE FUND $350 OF THIS PROJECT. >> SECOND.

>> I DID NOT COME PREPARED. BUT COUNCILOR MORRIS ALWAYS HAS A BUSINESS CARD. ALWAYS.

HERE IS A BUSINESS CARD OF HIS, IF YOU REACH OUT TO COUNCILOR MORRIS, HE WILL SHARE THE INFORMATION.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE

VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON.

>> --

>> MOTION PASSES SEVEN TO ZERO. GREAT JOB.

>> THANK YOU ALL. >> LET US KNOW WHEN YOU ARE DOING IT. HE WILL BE OUT THERE TO HELP YOU STICK THEM DOWN. THAT'S JUST HOW HE IS.

BUT YOU HAVE A VOLUNTEER ALREADY.

>> THANK YOU ALSO MUCH. >> NEXT, ITEM 8.2.

[8.2. Presentation and possible action related to Limmer Loop (T-47): Innovation Boulevard to Ed Schmidt Boulevard – Intersection Control Evaluation (ICE) Analysis. (Elliot Cude – JMT)]

PRESENTATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO T480 SEVEN...

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

EXCITED TO INTRODUCE YOU TO RJ OTU TEAM THAT PERFORMED THE ICE ANALYSIS AND IS DESIGNING THIS PART OF THE PROJECT.

AS A REMINDER, COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF LATE LAST YEAR FOR PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD THAT WE WOULD DO A I.C.E. ANALYSIS AND COME FORWARD WITH THE RESULTS OF THAT ANALYSIS, WHERE YOU WOULD THEN INFORM WHAT DESIGN WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THE PROJECT.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE ARE DOING THIS, THE FIRST TIME YOU ARE SEEING AEI'S ANALYSIS. WE WELCOME FEEDBACK AND QUESTIONS. AND WITH THAT I WILL HANDED

OVER. >> GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS ELLIOT CUDE. I HAVE SOME COPIES OF THE PRESENTATION I'D LIKE TO PASS OUT.

BECAUSE IT'S EASIER THAN THE BACK-AND-FORTH WITH YOU GUYS.

IT HAS DATA. >> GIVE THEM TO THE SECRETARY AND SHE WILL PASS THEM OUT. I GET IN LESS TROUBLE THAT WAY.

[LAUGHTER] >> APOLOGIZED MR. THORNTON.

I WOULD HAVE MAILED YOU ONE TONIGHT.

IF EVERYONE HAS ONE, I WILL BEGIN.

THIS IS THE T472025 PROJECT SCHEMATIC.

WE WERE ASKED THIS YEAR TO PERFORM A ANALYSIS.

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THIS PROJECT STUDY LIMITS FOR OUR SEGMENT OF THIS ROADWAY GOES FROM INNOVATION BOULEVARD TO THE NORTH SIDE.

REDFISH LAIN THERE IN BETWEEN. AND THE BOULEVARD ON THE EAST SIDE. INNOVATION AS OF THIS YEAR IS SIGNALIZED NOW. FISH LANE IS NOT.

THERE IS NO STOP CONTROL ON REDFISH LAIN.

AND THIS SPOT IS SIGNALIZED. SO, AS KATE MENTIONED, THE CITY REQUESTED A ICE ANALYSIS. A FHWA FRAMEWORK FOR PERFORMING INTERSECTION CONTROL EVALUATION. IT HELPS TO CONTROL CORDER CAPACITY AS WELL. IT'S A DATA DRIVEN PERFORMANCE-BASED FRAMEWORK. AND THE APPROACH OBJECTIVELY SCREAMS ALTERNATIVES, IDENTIFIES CONTROLS IN AN INTERSECTION.

TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TYPE OF INTERSECTION PERFORMS ALL FOR SPECIFIC TRAFFIC THAT GOES THROUGH THERE.

AS KATE MENTIONED, THE INTENT IS TO DETERMINE IF THE SIXTH LAIN PROPOSED IS PART OF THE MOBILITY PLAN IS STILL THE MOST OPTIMAL SOLUTION OR BASED ON TRAFFIC DATA COULD YOU GET AWAY WITH SOMETHING ELSE, PERHAPS. TO BE MORE OR LESS.

THAT'S A WE PERFORM THE ANALYSIS FOR.

TO HELP YOU ALL DETERMINE THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO HIT A FEW KEY DEFINITIONS FIRST. AS I WILL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE LATER ON. GROWTH RATE.

THAT MEASURES OF HOW THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC CHANGES OVER TIME.

5% WAS CHOSEN FOR THIS PROJECT. WE WORKED WITH OUR CITY P.M. TO HELP DETERMINE THAT AND LOOKED AT OTHER STUDIES THAT THE CITY HAS DONE ON OTHER TIAS IN THE CORRIDOR AND TRAFFIC REPORTS TO HELP DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE PERCENTAGE FOR THIS AREA.

LEVEL OF SERVICE WILL BE SOMETHING WE DISCUSS LATER ON.

IT'S A GREAT RATING, AND IT IDENTIFIES HOW THE INTERSECTION OR CORRIDOR IS OPERATING. A IS THE BEST-CASE SCENARIO.

YOU'RE MOVING THROUGH THEIR WITH A SHORT DELAY, IF ANY.

MOST VEHICLES DO NOT STOP. AND THE PROGRESSES SEQUENTIALLY DOWN THROUGH F. F IS BASICALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

GRIDLOCK TRAFFIC. IT DOES NOT REALLY MOVE.

LEVEL OF SERVICE D WAS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE CHOSEN FOR THIS PROJECT THAT MET OTHER CITY CRITERIA.

WITH LEVEL OF SERVICE YOU WILL SEE SOME DELAYS IN THE PEAK HOUR. MANY VEHICLES MIGHT HAVE TO STOP AND YOU MIGHT HAVE INDIVIDUAL FAILURES AT A SIGNAL THAT YOU MAYBE WAITING A FEW SECONDS TO GET THROUGH.

THAT'S HOW WE DETERMINE. BY DETERMINING LEVELS OF SERVICE, DELAY. THE AVERAGE WAIT TIME THAT A VEHICLE MANEUVERED THROUGH AN INTERSECTION.

AND THE VOLUME TO CAPACITY RATIO, IDENTIFYING IF THE INTERSECTION VOLUMES ARE ABOUT THEIR MAXIMUM CAPACITY.

TYPICALLY THE RATIO OVER ONE INDICATES CAPACITY FAILURE.

AND I WILL NOTE THAT FOR ROUNDABOUTS, BASED ON THEIR GEOMETRY AND HOW THE CONTROL WORKS, IT'S A RATIO OF 8.5.

ANYTHING ABOVE A .5 INDICATES A CAPACITY OF FAILURE.

TRAFFIC GROWTH. WE WANTED TO SUMMARIZE THE EXISTING PEOPLE OUT THERE ON LIMMER LOOP.

THIS IS ESTIMATED ON THE PEAK HOUR.

SO FOR LIMMER LOOP, PROBABLY MORE SO 2026, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 14,018 TODAY. WITH THAT 5% GROWTH RATE.

AND WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE AROUND 35,000 VEHICLES IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS GOING UP AND DOWN LIMMER LOOP.

THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS, WE PROJECT THOSE OUT.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE 12,000 IN THE FUTURE, REDFISH, BASED ON HOW IT DEVELOPS OUT THERE.

AND THE... AND ED SCHMIDT IS OBVIOUSLY A HEAVILY MOVED-- AN INTERSECTION THAT SEES A LOT OF MOVEMENT TODAY.

THE NORTH STYLE PRIMARILY. AND THAT INTERSECTION LOOKS TO BE AROUND 31,000 IN THE FUTURE. AND FOR SOME CONTEXT, I WOULD LOOK FOR SOME TRAFFIC DATA FILE THE REIT-- FOR THE REGION.

THIS ONE, IT'S ADT TODAY IS APPROXIMATELY 42,000.

JUST TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT ON WHAT TYPE OF BODIES THAT MIGHT NEED IN THE FUTURE. SO THE ICE STUDY.

I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE KEY COMPONENTS OF ICE ANALYSIS

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WORKFLOW. WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND TRAFFIC MODELS.

ONCE WE DETERMINE THAT, WE APPLY THE TRAFFIC GROWTH RATES AND DETERMINE WHAT THE FUTURE GOAL IS.

IT'S NORMAL AND TYPICAL TO PROJECT 20 YEARS OUT FROM A DESIGNATED MOBILITY YEAR, OR AN ANALYSIS YEAR.

PART OF THE ICE ANALYSIS ITSELF IS A CAP NEXT ANALYSIS, WHICH STANDS FOR CAPACITY ANALYSIS FOR PLANNING AND JUNCTIONS.

WHAT THAT DOES IS YOU PUT YOUR TRAFFIC IN, YOUR DATA IN, AND THAT'S OPERATED BY AN H WA, ONCE YOU PUT THE DATA IN IT WILL SPIT OUT OPERATIONS FOR ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF INTERSECTIONS.

SO IT WILL SIGNALIZED AND INTERSECTION, A ROUNDABOUT, A TURN. HARD CUT, ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES. ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS IN THE EYE STUDIES IS TO SEE WHAT INTERSECTIONS MAY OR MAY NOT FAIL IMMEDIATELY BASED ON TRAFFIC VOLUMES.

PART OF THE ICE ANALYSIS IS PERFORMING A SPICE ANALYSIS.

SAFETY PERFORMANCE FOR INTERSECTION CONTROL EVALUATION.

IT EVALUATES A CRASH REDUCTION ALTERNATIVES AND HELPS DETERMINE WHAT THE CRASH FREQUENCY MIGHT BE FOR THAT SPECIFIC INTERSECTION BASED ON THE ANTICIPATED VOLUMES.

GENERALLY OUR REPORT THAT WE GENERATED FOLLOWS THESE FOUR STAGES. PRIMARILY THE FIRST THREE STAGES OF THIS PRESENTATION. STAGE ONE WILL BE THE SCREENING ANALYSIS. ALL SHOW YOU THE RESULTS FOR THE CAP NEXT TOTAL. ONCE WE TAKE SOME ALTERNATIVES FROM STAGE TWO. WE DO AN ENGINEERING ANALYSIS ON THEM. THEN WE USE THE SPICE TOOL TO EVALUATE SAFETY. WE LOOK AT CONCEPTUAL DESIGN.

WE START LOOKING AT ESTIMATING POTENTIAL COST IN THOSE INTERSECTIONS AS WELL. AND AFTER STAGE TWO, WE WORK WITH THE CITY P.M. TO DETERMINE WHAT MAYBE THE MOST LIKELY INTERSECTIONS THAT WOULD HELP SERVE THIS AREA.

AND WE WILL PIECE THEM ALTOGETHER AND LOOK AT LIMMER LOOP AS A WHOLE. AND SAY HOW DOES IT WORK WITH THESE OTHER INTERSECTIONS ALONG THE LOOP.

TO ULTIMATELY END UP-- ULTIMATELY DETERMINE A CORRIDOR.

THAT WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS BASED ON TRAFFIC DATA.

JUST A QUICK EXISTING SAFETY ANALYSIS.

INNOVATION BOULEVARD INTERSECTION WAS SIGNALIZED IN THE BEGINNING OF 2026. THAT'S SOMETHING WE WERE ALL WAITING FOR. SO THAT IS CHARGED WITH A FEWER AMOUNT OF CRASHES AT INNOVATION BOULEVARD.

AND THROUGH THE YEARS THAT SHOULD TAKE DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY.

PRIMARILY, BASED ON THE EVENT SIGNALIZED, THE NATURE OF IT, IT SIGNALIZED IS THAT INTERSECTIONS GENERALLY REDUCE OVERALL NUMBER OF CRASHES AT A INTERSECTION WITH HIGH-VOLUME, ESPECIALLY ANGLE CRASHES. AND OVERALL IT'S EXPECTED TO HAVE IMPROVEMENT. THAT WAS EXISTING.

AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE 2045 VOLUMES.

IN THESE TRAFFIC ANALYSES WE DO. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE NEED TO DO IS ESTABLISH WHAT IS THE NO BUILD CONDITION.

IT HELPS TO SHOW US WHAT THE INTERSECTION IS GOING TO PERFORM LIKE IF YOU DO NO IMPROVEMENTS AT ALL.

SO FOR THESE INTERSECTIONS, WE GENERATED THE-- WE GENERATED THE TRAFFIC DATA FOR THE 2045 AND EVALUATED EACH OF THESE INTERSECTIONS TO DETERMINE WHAT THE INTERSECTIONS ARE GOING TO PERFORM AT. WE SEE A LOT OF RED AND ORANGE AND YELLOW UP THERE. THAT TOP RATE CHART IS THE INNOVATION BOULEVARD INTERSECTION.

THE BOTTOM RIGHT ONE IS THE REDFISH LANE INTERSECTION.

AND THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS EDGE MET.

I WILL START AT REDFISH. BECAUSE IT'S THE ONE THAT HAS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF COLOR. IT'S NOT A HEAVILY TRAFFIC LOCATION RIGHT NOW. OTHER THAN REDFISH TURNING ON TO THAT ONE. WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THE PROJECTING OF FUTURE VOLUMES, THERE IS NOT A LOT OF ROOM FOR MORE DEVELOP AND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF REDFISH, SO THE VOLUMES WOULD NOT BE QUITE AS EXTREME AS THEY WOULD BE AT OTHER LOCATIONS. A NO BUILD LOCATION FOR REDFISH, THERE ARE SITUATIONS OR TIMES WHEN CERTAIN MOVEMENTS OPERATE

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AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT IS BEST CASE CARE-- BEST-CASE SCENARIO, AND A. BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT OPERATE AT AN F AND THEIR SHOWS THERE IS SOME FAILURE AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS. ON THE OTHER TWO INTERSECTIONS, YOU SEE F, D, E, ALL ACROSS THE BOARD.

JUST BECAUSE THERE IS MAYBE A FAILING MOVE FOR THAT INTERSECTION TYPE, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT INTERSECTION WILL HAVE AN OVERALL LEVEL OF SERVICE LIKE AN F OR NTE.

WHAT WE FOUND IN THIS IS THE NUMBER OF MOVEMENTS THAT DID FAIL GENERALLY SHOWED THAT THESE INTERSECTIONS ARE GOING TO FAIL IF NOTHING IS DONE. IT MAYBE OBVIOUS, BUT IT'S JUST AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE TRAFFIC STUDIES TO DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING AT ALL.

OKAY. NOW WE ARE GETTING TO RESULTS.

THE RESULTS FROM STAGE ONE. AS A REMINDER, THAT'S WHERE WE TOOK THE EIGHT VOLUMES AND PLUG THEM INTO THIS AGE WA TOOL AND THAT SO WHAT KIND OF INTERSECTIONS CAN PERFORM BETTER THAN OTHERS. WE ASSIGNED A SCORE VALUE TO IT TO HELP FILTER OUT SOME OF THEM, GENERALLY, THE LOWER THE VC RATIO THE BETTER IT PERFORMS, THE PEDESTRIAN COLUMN THERE, THAT'S THE P.E.D., THE HIGHER VALUE, THE BETTER IT IS FOR PEDESTRIANS TYPICALLY. THE COST IS JUST A COST, SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS WOULD COST LESS THAN A ROUNDABOUT OR A LEFT TURN. IT REQUIRES A LOT OF PAVEMENT TO MEET THOSE INTERSECTION REQUIREMENTS.

WE CAME UP WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE MET WITH CITY STAFF, THE CITY P.M.

WE TALKED TOGETHER AND DETERMINED ULTIMATELY THAT THE ONES WE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE HERE WOULD MOVE ON TO THE NEXT STAGE.

STAGE TWO ANALYSIS AND RESULTS. WE LOOKED AT A.M. AND P.M. HOUR.

THE OLD RESULTS, AND WE PUT THAT INTO THE SPICE ANALYSIS.

THE SAFETY ANALYSIS. THAT HELPS TELL YOU WHAT KIND OF CRASHES YOU MAY EXPECT FOR CERTAIN INTERSECTION TYPES.

FROM THE OPTIONS THAT WERE CHOSEN IN THE PRIOR STAGE, WE EVALUATED EACH OF THESE. OVER THE PROJECT LIFE CYCLE.

COMMON CRASHES MIGHT BE EXPECTED TO OCCUR, AND COMPARED THOSE TO OTHERS. SIGNALS VERSUS ROUNDABOUTS, ET CETERA. WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE THERE YOU WILL HAVE AN INTERSECTION TYPE.

AND CONFLICT POINTS. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CONFLICT POINTS AT AN INTERSECTION, WE TALK ABOUT THE PARTICULAR POINTS THAT AN ACCIDENT CAN OCCUR BECAUSE VEHICLES ARE CROSSING THAT PATH. I DIDN'T SHOW ALL THE GRAPHICS, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION HAS 32 CONFLICT POINTS. THERE'S A LOT OF LEFT MOVEMENT GOING ACROSS. AND THROUGH TRAFFIC MOVEMENT POTENTIALLY GOING ACROSS. COMPARED TO A ROUNDABOUT WHERE THERE'S NOT REALLY THROUGH MOVEMENT, SO TO SPEAK,, IT'S A SIDESWIPE SITUATION AND THERE IS LESS OPPORTUNITY FOR IT TO HAPPEN TYPICALLY. PART OF THESE INNOVATIVE INTERSECTIONS THAT WE LOOK AT, THERE IS A SAFETY FACTOR THAT WE LOOK AT IN TERMS OF HOW MANY CONFLICTS DOES THE INTERSECTION PRODUCE? IS IT SIGNIFICANTLY MORE OR LESS THEN ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE, AND HOW THAT COULD FACTOR INTO A DECISION OF WHAT TYPE OF INTERSECTION YOU WOULD PUT THERE. STAGE TWO RESULTS, WE DID OUR A.M., P.M. PEAK HOUR BUILD. WE ANALYSE THOSE UNDEVELOPED CONCEPTUAL SKETCHES FOR EACH OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES.

THAT CAME ABOUT IN STAGE I. AND WE LOOKED AT THE ROUNDABOUT AT INNOVATION BOULEVARD. WE LOOKED AT A ROUNDABOUT AT REDFISH. ROUNDABOUTS AT ED SCHMIDT.

TWO LANE, THREE LANE ROUNDABOUTS.

WE LOOKED AT DISPLACE LEFT TURN INTERSECTIONS AS WELL.

AND TO BRIEFLY SUMMARIZE WHAT A DISPLACED LEFT TURN IS, A DISPLACE LEFT TURN, YOU PULL OUT YOUR LEFT HER MOVEMENTS, TO GO ACROSS THE LEFT LEARN-- LANE INTERSECTION.

AND ULTIMATELY YOU GET MORE MOVEMENTS THROUGH THE INTERSECTION BY GETTING THE LEFT-HAND MOVES OUT OF THE NORMAL BOX OF THE INTERSECTION. IT REQUIRES A LOT MORE RUN UP TO THE INTERSECTION ITSELF THOUGH. BECAUSE OF THE TRANSITION AWAY FROM THE BOX INTERSECTION. SO YOU CAN COUNT ON THE SCREEN

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HAVE ZOOMED OUT THAT LAST IMAGE IS COMPARED TO THE OTHERS BECAUSE IT REQUIRES AT A MINIMUM THAT MUCH PAYMENT-- PAVEMENT TO MAKE THOSE TRANSITIONS HAPPEN. THE STAGE TWO RESULTS, WE LOOKED AT LEVEL OF SERVICE. FOR EACH OF THESE INTERSECTIONS.

FOR THE SPECIFIC TYPES. AND WE HAVE THAT GRAPHIC ON THE LEFT THERE. THE TABLE IS SHOWING THAT FOR INNOVATION, WE LOOKED AT A SIGNAL, TWO BY TWO ROUNDABOUT.

AND WE FOUND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IN THAT 20 YEARS FROM NOW, 2035, 2046, THE SIGNAL COULD OPERATE AT LEVEL SERVICE SEE. WHICH IS BETTER THAN THE BASELINE THAT THE CITY OF HUTTO IS ACCEPTING.

AND A TWO BY TWO ROUNDABOUT HAS A D.

WE DID REMOVE THAT ONE. WHEN WE TALKED WITH OUR P.M., MOVING FORWARD. BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IS OKAY, TO GO BACK TO THAT CAPACITY RATIO, THERE WAS A FAILING MOVEMENT IN ONE OF THE DIRECTIONS FOR THE TWO BY TWO ROUNDABOUT. WHICH MEANS THERE IS MORE CAPACITY THAN THERE IS ABILITY TO MOVE THE TRAFFIC THROUGH.

SO THE WHOLE INTERSECTION LOOKS LIKE LEVEL SERVICE D.

BUT THERE IS STILL FAILING MOVEMENT.

AT LEAST FOR RIGHT NOW, MOVING FORWARD, LOOKING AT THE CORRIDOR THAT WE ENDED, LOOKING AT THE ROUNDABOUT AT THIS MOMENT.

LOOKING AT REDFISH LANE, WE LOOKED AT A SIGNAL.

WE PERFORMED A TRAFFIC WARRANT ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE IS A SIGNAL WARRANTED IN THIS LOCATION.

WE SUMMARIZED IN THE REPORT THAT IT WARRANTS A SIGNAL FOR FUTURE YEARS. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE OPTIONS WE WANTED TO CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD.

AND A ROUNDABOUT AS WELL. A ONE OR TWO WAY ROUNDABOUT THAT PERFORMED WELL AT REDFISH. A LOT OF THOSE MOVEMENTS ARE GOING THROUGH, WITH IT BEING BASICALLY A THREE LEGGED INTERSECTION. AND TO ED SCHMIDT.

WE LOOKED UP FOUR ALTERNATIVES. A SIGNAL, DISPLACE LEFT TURN.

A TWO-- TWO BY TWO ROUNDABOUT AND A THREE BY THREE ROUNDABOUT.

AND WE FOUND LOOKING BACK AT SOME OF THOSE VOLUMES IN A PREVIOUS SLIDE, THAT THEY WERE-- ROUNDABOUTS ACHIEVED LEVEL OF SERVICE AFTER. THERE WAS JUST TOO MUCH TRAFFIC MOVING THROUGH THEM WITH A THREE BY THREE MOVING TO ULTIMATELY WARRANT A ROUNDABOUT THERE TO BE SUCCESSFUL MOVING THAT TRAFFIC THROUGH. THE OPTIONS THAT PERFORMED PRETTY WELL WORTHY SIGNAL. WHICH MET THE BASELINE.

AND THE DISPLACED LEFT TURN, LEVEL OF SERVICE SEE.

WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO WHEN WE GET TO STAGE TWO IS DETERMINED SOME ALTERNATIVES TO START PUTTING TOGETHER TO LOOK AT THE CORRIDOR ITSELF. NOW WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT CORRIDOR CAPACITY HERE FOR INCOME TOWARDS THE END OF OUR ANALYSIS. THE LEVEL OF SERVICE ALONG A CORRIDOR AT AN INTERSECTION SOUTH, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE CORRIDOR'S LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND HOW THOSE ALL PERFORM TOGETHER.

IN A CORRIDOR THIS IS TYPICALLY DETERMINED BY INTERSECTION OPERATIONS. SO WE DO A HIGHWAY CAPACITY ANALYSIS TO VERIFY IS A FOUR LANE LIMMER LOOP LOOP-- LIMMER LOOP APPROPRIATE? OR DOESN'T NEED TO BE SIX LANE GOING BACK TO THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO.

AND I WANT TO POINT OUT, IN THE ALTERNATIVE, WHERE WE SHOWED SIGNALS FOR THESE LOCATIONS, WE SYNCHRONIZED IT ALONG THE CORRIDOR TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU GREEN PHASE OVER HERE YOU WILL LIKELY GREEN PHASE AS YOU MOVE DOWN A MILE STRETCH OF THAT ROADWAY. WHEN WE LOOKED AT LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR A SIGNALIZED CORRIDOR, WE DID FACTOR IN TRAFFIC SIGNALS. AND FOR ANYONE THAT IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WE MEAN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A FOUR LANE ROADWAY TO A SIX LANE ROADWAY, A FOUR LANE ROADWAY IS THAT BOTTOM RIGHT IMAGE. JUST THE TWO.

A LOT OF TIME YOU'LL SEE THAT WITH MEDIANS IN THE MIDDLE.

A MINOR ARTERIAL, FOUR LANE ARTERIAL, TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION, AND IT HAS A MEDIAN TURN BAY.

A MAJOR ARTERIAL COCCYX LANES, IN EACH DIRECTION.

A LARGER MEDIAN SO THAT YOU CAN GET A TURN BAY IN THEIR FOR OPPOSING TURNS. OKAY.

THE CORRIDOR ANALYSIS, WORKING WITH OUR P.M., AND ON THESE SPECIFIC ALTERNATIVES, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE SCOPE TO DO, AND OUR EFFORTS, WE DETERMINE FIVE CORRIDOR ALTERNATIVES TO ANALYSE

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BASED ON THE INTERSECTION CHOSEN IN STAGE TWO.

WE LOOKED AT FOUR LANES OR SIX LANES IN BETWEEN, AND WE ULTIMATELY WORKED OUR WAY TOWARDS DETERMINING WHAT TYPE OF FACILITY WOULD BE-- NOT THE MINIMUM, BUT WHAT IS THE SMALLEST FACILITY THAT YOU CAN PERHAPS GET THAT STILL THE-- MEETS YOUR LEVEL OF SERVICE REQUIREMENT? FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU TURN TO THE NEXT PAGE BACK YOU WILL CN IMAGE SHOWING OUR SCHEMATICS. BUT WE LOOKED AT INNOVATION, WE LOOKED AT A SIGNAL. AT REDFISH.

AND AT THE DLT. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ROAD ONE AND TWO ON THAT CHART IS THAT THERE ARE SIX LANES THROUGH AT INNOVATION. AND WE DID THAT TO FACILITATE MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE. WE DID SHOW SIX LANES ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO ED SCHMIDT, BECAUSE AS ROUNDABOUTS RESTRICT THE NUMBER OF LANES COME INTO IT.

SO YOU CANNOT HAVE A SIX SLIM FACILITY COME IN TO A FOUR LANE ROUNDABOUT WITHOUT DROPPING LANES IN ADVANCE OR PICKING UP LANES AFTERWARDS. AND IT'S NOT REALLY DEFINED.

AND WE LOOKED AT WHAT WE ARE MORE USED TO.

A SIGNALIZED CORRIDOR. SIGNAL, SIGNAL, SIGNAL AT EACH OF THE THREE INTERSECTIONS, WITH THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BEING IS IT A FOUR LANE, OR IS IT A SIX LANE.

FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, IT'S HARD TO TELL.

IT'S PART OF THE TRAFFIC REPORT THAT THE CITIES P.M. HAS.

BUT WE TRY TO PACE THEM ON HERE SO YOU GUYS CAN HOPEFULLY SEE SOME. ALTERNATIVES ONE AND FOUR, WE ARE LOOKING AT-- 1-4 AND 1-6. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ROUND OUT THE DLT. A SIGNAL AT INNOVATION, A ROUNDABOUT AT REDFISH LANE AND A DISPLACED LEFT TURN AT ED SCHMIDT. AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2-4, AND 2-6 IS A FOUR LANE ROADWAY, A FOUR LANE ARTERIAL IN TO A SIX LANE ARTERIAL. WE HAVE BEEN BUILDING TO THIS.

THESE ARE THE RESULTS OF OUR CORRIDOR ANALYSIS.

THIS TABLE SUMMARIZES THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND IT INDICATES A PROJECT COST. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT GENERALLY THE HIGHER THE COST YOU SEE ON THE TABLE USUALLY ALSO REFLECTS THAT PARTICULAR OPTION WILL REQUIRE MORE RIGHT OF WAY AND THERE ARE MORE UTILITY IMPACTS AS WELL.

THE COSTS INCLUDE THE POTENTIAL DESIGN FEE TO GO AND BUILD AND DEVELOP THESE PLANS FOR SOMEONE TO CONSTRUCT.

IT INCLUDES A RIGHT OF WAY ACREAGE ESTIMATION IN TERMS OF COST, IT INCLUDES THE ACTUAL MATERIAL ITSELF.

SO THE CONSTRUCTION COST AS BEST AS WE CAN GUESS WITH THE ALTERNATIVES THAT WE CREATED. IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THAT CHART ON THE UPPER RIGHT THERE, IT SHOWS ALTERNATIVES 1-4 AND 1-6.

THOSE ARE THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE DLT.

THEY PERFORM BETTER OVERALL IN THE TABLE BELOW.

THOSE COLORS THERE ARE COORDINATED.

SO IT'S BETTER THAN THE CITY IS AT MINIMUM TRYING TO OBTAIN.

REDFISH LANE, BECAUSE OF LESS TRAFFIC GETTING THROUGH, WERE GETTING LEVEL OF SERVICE A FOR THOSE MOVEMENTS.

AND ONE OF THESE SITUATIONS, WE HAVE LEVEL OF SERVICE BE.

ON THE ONE THAT IS LIMITING THE OVERALL CORRIDOR, CAPACITY ANALYSIS, IS THE LOCATION. DRIVEN BY THOSE MOVEMENTS.

THERE'S A LOT OF TURNING MOVEMENTS ON THAT ROADWAY.

BACKUPS. IF WE ARE LOOKING AT A PURE OPERATIONS ANALYSIS FROM TRA TRAFFIC, THE DISPLACED LEFT TURN THAT MOVES TURNS OUT OF THE INTERSECTION, IT PERFORMS REALLY WELL. IT PERFORMS LEVEL OF SERVICE SEE. WHICH IS WHAT THAT LEFT TURN IS DESIGNED TO DO. ALL THE 1-4-6, YOU'RE LOOKING AT MOSTLY SERVICE-LEVEL SEE ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.

WITH THAT YOU WILL SEE A LARGER COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

AND MORE OF A RIGHT OF WAY FOOTPRINT AND IMPACT.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU NEED TO RUN THE INTERSECTION FURTHER TO MAKE THOSE MOVEMENTS ACROSS. I WANT TO POINT OUT ALTERNATE TWO DASH FOUR HAS A LOWER RIGHT-OF-WAY COST.

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IT'S ONE OF THE LOWEST. THAT'S ONE OF THE SIGNALIZED CORRIDOR'S. A FOUR LANE ROADWAY WITH TWO LEFT TURN LANES. ALL THREE ARE SIGNALIZED.

THE DIFFERENCE PRIMARILY, TWO DASH FOUR, TWO DASH SIX, ED SCHMIDT WOULD REQUIRE THREE LANES THROUGH EACH DIRECTION ALONG THE RED LOOP TO BE ABLE TO MEET THIS LEVEL OF SERVICE.

WE DID LOOK AT, COULD WE DO A TRUE FOUR LANE CORRIDOR? FOUR LANES THROUGH AT INNOVATION, FOR REDFISH, AND FOR EDGE MITT? AND THAT IS THAT LAST ALTERNATIVE ON THERE. LEVEL OF SERVICE SEE BELOW THE THRESHOLD. AND THE CITY SPECIFIED IT AS NECESSARY. IN YOUR PACKET I HAVE ONE MORE SLIDE. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT-- I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH IT. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CANNOT SEE IT. BUT IT HIGHLIGHT SOME BENEFITS AND DISADVANTAGES TO CERTAIN INTERSECTION TYPES THAT WE ANALYSED THROUGH THE TRAFFIC. LOOKING AT SAFETY ASPECTS OF THESE VOLUMES. WHAT ALTERNATIVES MIGHT PERFORM BETTER THAN OTHERS. ADJACENT IMPACTS IN TERMS OF THE RIDE WAY IMPACT AND THE COST. IF YOU ARE TRYING TO FIGURE RODE WHAT INTERSECTION YOU MIGHT WANT TO PICK, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW SOME OF THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. SIGNALS HAVE HIGHER CONFLICT POINTS AND OTHER INTERSECTIONS. BUT YOU CAN SYNCHRONIZE YOUR SIGNALS UP ALONG THE CORRIDOR. SIGNALS ARE INTUITIVE FOR THE PUBLIC THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING, COMPARED TO SOMETHING THAT IS INNOVATIVE-- THESE INTERIM-- INNOVATIVE INTERSECTIONS, WHAT THEY CALL THESE ALTERNATIVES. THE DISADVANTAGES OF SIGNALS IS AS TRAFFIC GROWS, YOU NEED SOMEONE TO BE LOOKING AT THE TIMING ALONG THE CORRIDOR. AND THERE MAYBE UPDATES TO THAT.

ROUNDABOUTS, SOME OF THE BENEFITS, YOU HAVE SLOWER INTERSECTION SPEED, A 50 MILE-PER-HOUR CORRIDOR, 45 MAMA-- MILE-PER-HOUR CORRIDOR. YOU CAN KIND OF PUSH THAT TRAFFIC THROUGH THE INTERSECTION TO WHATEVER THE DESIGN CRITERIA IS SET. THERE IS LESS CONFLICT POINTS.

IT GENERALLY DEPENDS ON TRAFFIC, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING THEY HAVE FEWER DELAYS AND SHORTER CUES. NO SIGNAL MAINTENANCE.

IT'S ONE OF THE SAFEST OPTIONS FOR PEDESTRIANS.

INITIAL CONSTRUCTION COST CAN BE HIGHER.

CAN DISRUPT TRAFFIC ON A SIGNALIZED CORRIDOR.

IT'S LESS INTUITIVE. BUT THERE ARE MORE AND MORE HAPPENING AROUND US. AND LASTLY, DISPLACED LEFT TURN.

IT HAS A RELATIVELY HIGHER NUMBER OF CONFLICT POINTS.

SIGNAL HAS 32. THAT'S THE MOST.

DLT HAS 28. BUT THAT HELPS REDUCE SIGNAL PHASES, AND MAXIMIZES THROUGH TRAFFIC AND HIGH LEFT TURNS.

PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS CAN BE MORE CHALLENGING, THERE IS MORE THEY HAVE TO CROSS. THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL COORDINATION, EVEN WITH THE SIGNAL, UPSTREAM OR DOWNSTREAM, COORDINATE-- COORDINATION HAS TO BE VERIFIED. AND THEN ONE OF THE BIGGER DISADVANTAGES OF A DISPLACED LEFT TURN IS IT IS BETTER AN APPLICATION WHERE THERE IS LESS DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ALREADY THERE BECAUSE OF HOW SOME OF THOSE TURNS HAPPEN.

IF I GO BACK. IT'S HARD TO TELL HERE.

BUT THERE ARE WHAT SOME WOULD CALL THREE RIGHT TURNS, OR DEDICATED RIGHT TURNS THAT ARE HAPPENING AT THOSE CORNERS OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS. LIKE THE GAS STATIONS THAT ARE THERE TODAY, FOR EXAMPLE. PAIR DRIVEWAYS NEED TO BE PLACED WITHIN THAT MOVEMENT, AND THEY ARE ONLY FUNNELED IN THAT ONE DIRECTION. YOU NEED TO CONSIDER THE INTERSECTION, OR THEY HAVE TO RELOCATE THEIR DRIVEWAY TO TAKE A BETTER SPOT AWAY FROM THAT TURN.

THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS AND DIFFERENT INTERSECTIONS. BUT THAT ENDS IT FOR THE BENEFITS AND DISADVANTAGES. AND LET ENDS WHAT I HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT. I'M SURE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

WE HAVE THOUGHTS ON A POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATION.

BUT IT'S REALLY BASED ON WHAT YOU ALL FEEL IS IMPORTANT FOR

THE COMMUNITY. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE MODELING ITSELF. THESE ASSUMPTIONS AND BOUNDARY CONDITIONS, STARTING OFF IN ANY MODEL ARE CRITICAL FOR YOUR

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RESULT. AND YOU CAN CHANGE A BIT ON AN ASSUMPTION IN THE BEGINNING. AND FAR-REACHING DIFFERENCES IN THE FINAL OUTCOME. ON PAGE 2, YOU TALK ABOUT MEASURES IN THE GROWTH RATE. 5% IS CHOSEN FOR THIS PROJECT.

SO EXPAND A BIT ON WHY YOU PICKED THAT NUMBER AND WHAT ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS IF WE ARE OFF BY HALF A PERCENT OR 1%? THAT, TO ME, CHANGES A LOT ON THIS FINAL SLIDE?

>> 5% GROWTH RATE, IF WE ARE LINEAR IS GOING TO DOUBLE THE TRAFFIC IN 20 YEARS' TIME. WHEN WE CONSIDER GROWTH RATE WE LOOK AT WHAT IS OUT THERE TODAY. THERE IS LARGE MANUFACTURING-- THERE IS LARGE INDUSTRIAL OUT THERE.

THERE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD, A CHURCH, A BIG PARCEL.

THERE IS A FEW THINGS THAT WE KNOW ABOUT.

AND YOU CAN TELL WHAT THAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GENERATE.

AND THEN THERE IS THE LAND-USE ITSELF.

CONSIDERING SOME OF THE TRAFFIC THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST, REGIONALLY WE WILL SOMETIMES USE 4% FOR THIS PROJECT, IN SEEING HOW EVERYTHING HAS GROWN. 5% SEEMS TO BE MORE APPROPRIATE.

YOU ARE CORRECT, IT COULD BE MORE OFF-BASE.

IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS. >> DID YOU RUN SIMULATIONS-- YOU CHOOSE FIVE AND YOU CREATE A WINDOW WHERE YOU LOOK AT FOUR AND A HALF, OR FIVE AND A HALF, THREE AND A HALF OR FOUR AND A HALF TO FIVE AND A HALF. YOU CAN SEE A WINDOW.

-- CHANGES TO ME, CHANGING THAT UPFRONT DOES-- THOSE LAST TABLES, ONE WERE TRYING TO DECIDE ON WHAT MONEY IS BEST UTILIZED, THE BEST SOLUTION FOR HOUR WINDOW, 20 YEARS OR WHATEVER. DO YOU HAVE THOSE RESULTS? DID YOU RUN THOSE SIMULATIONS AS WELL?

>> I DON'T HAVE THOSE RESULTS. I'M NOT SURE IF WE RAN THOSE.

I KNOW WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE ADJACENT TIAS THAT HAVE RUN.

A LOT OF THOSE ARE USING 5%. THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY FIVE YEARS AGO THAT USED 4% FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS AND 10% AFTER THAT. IT WAS A TWO OR 3-YEAR-OLD TRAFFIC STUDY. I THINK THERE WAS A DATA CENTER.

BUT SOME OF THE GROWTH RATE PROJECTIONS WERE CLOSE TO THE 5% AS WELL. WITHOUT RUNNING A BUNCH OF ANALYSES ON TRYING TO GET TO THE END OF REPORT OF FIGURING OUT HOW IS THE 4% AFFECTED VERSUS 6 PERCENT, EXAMPLE, WE LOOK AT THE CORRIDOR AND WHAT THE LAND-USE LOOKS LIKE.

AND THESE ADDITIONAL REPORTS. SO, SHORT ANSWER AFTER THAT IS TO SAY WE DID NOT RUN ANALYSIS OF 4% VERSUS 6%.

THAT COULD BE DONE. >> IS THAT A GREAT EFFORT OR A GREAT COST? LET ME START HERE.

I'M NOT SAYING 5% IS WRONG. YOU GUYS KNOW MUCH BETTER THAN I DO. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM MY BACKGROUND, HERE IS A HARD NUMBER THAT WE START WITH, AND A HARD NUMBER WE END WITH. I LIKE TO SEE A RANGE OF CONDITIONS. AND HOW DOES THAT EFFECT THE RATE. MAYBE IT CHANGES THE 4% AND MAYBE IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE BOTTOM LINE.

BUT IF HE HAD NOT RUN THOSE WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. THAT'S ALL.

>> WE DID NOT RUN THAT SPECIFICALLY.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE WITH ADDITIONAL SCOPE.

SOME OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES MAY FALL OFF A LOT FASTER.

IF YOU'RE CRANKING IT UP TO SIX OR 7 PERCENT, OR-- YES.

OF COURSE. >> THIS ISSUE OHANA.

5% IS NOT JUST AN ASSUMPTION. WE DO HAVE DATA THAT WE COLLECTED FROM THE START. BASED ON THE GROWTH OF 7.25%.

BUT WE CANNOT EXACTLY TAKE THAT PERCENTAGE BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING ONE. AFTER FIVE OR SEVEN YEARS, THE 7.2% IS GOING DOWN TO 3%. IN 2045, IT IS NOT ACTUALLY 35-- AT THE PERCENTAGE. RIGHT OUT 7.25% THAT IS GOING TO GO DOWN TO 2%. EVENTUALLY WILL COME DOWN TO TWO PRESENT IF YOU TAKE THE VOLUME FROM THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

SO BASED ON DATA, AND STOCK DATA WE HAVE AT HAND, AND THE TIA THAT IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING, 5% IS OUR BEST ASSUMPTION.

>> I'M NOT SAYING 5% IS WRONGED BY ANY MEANS.

AS AN ENGINEER I'D LIKE TO SEE A RANGE OF OUTCOMES.

>> YES. AND WE HAVE 4 PERCENT, 5%.

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THE-- THAT ANALYSE IS BASED ON THE SITUATION AND BASED ON THE 5% GROWTH RATE. IF YOU GO FOR 4 PERCENT, IT WILL PROGRESSIVELY GO DOWN. 5% IS OUR ASSUMPTION THAT THAT IS THE CORRECT ONE BECAUSE WE DO COMPLY WITH... AND THE TIA THAT IS HAPPENING. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER

ANALYSIS FOR 5% OR LESS. >> THANK YOU.

>> MY REAL QUESTION WAS I DON'T EVER REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT SIGNAL ICING REDFISH. WHAT BROUGHT THAT ON? IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS ABOUT A 10% COST.

AND EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A SIGNAL.

BUT THIS ONE, I CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE INTERSECTION, BUT IT SEEMS CLOSER TO BEING SIGNALED. WHAT BROUGHT THIS ON?

>> ALL SPEAK FROM THE TRAFFIC WARRANT ANALYSIS THAT WE DID.

WE DO THOSE ON INTERSECTIONS AND DETERMINE THAT IF THEY ARE NOT SIGNALIZED, SHOULD THEY BE SIGNALIZED, OR MAYBE THEY ARE SIGNALIZED ON POINT. CONSIDERING THE VOLUMES THAT WE RAN IN THE TRAFFIC WARRANT ANALYSIS-- IT WAS DETERMINED-- I BELIEVE THERE IS EIGHT DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT THE WARRANT CAN COME BACK AS, YES, THIS WARRANTS A SIGNAL.

IT HIT ON MULTIPLE OPTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD THAT-- WE HAD THAT IN FRONT OF-- I DON'T KNOW WE HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FIVE YEARS, MAYBE IN 15 YEARS IT WOULD NOT WARRANT.

BUT IN THE FUTURE, 20 YEARS, WE SAW THAT WARRANT IN THE FUTURE.

>> IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT MAYBE NOT ONE FOR 15 YEARS, THAT'S-- THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER PLACES THAT SIGNALIZED $2 MILLION THAT NEED IT TODAY OR YESTERDAY. I'M STARTING TO SEE IT WHERE WE ADDED A COTTONWOOD ONE AND WE ADDED TWO OR THREE ON THIS CORRIDOR. AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY CRASHES OR ANYONE UNSAFE. BUT YOU CAN ADD SO MANY SIGNALS THAT IT CREATES MORE CRASHES. NOW THERE ARE PEOPLE RUNNING THEM, THERE GETTING IMPATIENT, SITTING IN TRAFFIC.

IF THERE IS A WAY FOR ME, IF THERE IS A WAY TO DO SOMETHING.

THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION FOR PEOPLE.

HE DOES COMPUTER CHIPS. HE DOESN'T KNOW TRAFFIC.

IS THERE A RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT PROFESSIONALS THINK WE SHOULD DO FOR THE BEST BANG FOR THEIR BUCKWHEAT IF WE SHOOT FROM THE HIP-- WE MAY END UP WITH AN OVERPASS HERE.

>> IT MATTERS HOW YOU RANK CERTAIN EVALUATION CRITERIA.

IF EVERYBODY IS FAIRLY CONTENT WITH A TRADITIONAL TYPE INTERSECTION, WHICH IS ALL OVER TOWN, ALL OVER THE STATE.

AND THEREFORE YOUR EXCEPTING THE SAINT AMOUNT-- EXCEPTING THE SAME AMOUNT OF INTERSECTIONS. WE FOUND THAT IF YOU SIGNALIZED THAT CORRIDOR IN THE RESULTING YEAR, WE ARE REALLY NOT SEEING A NEED FOR IT TO BE MORE THAN TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION, AS LONG AS YOU PROVIDE, I BELIEVE, AT INNOVATION AND ED SCHMIDT, THERE ARE CERTAIN MOVEMENTS THAT REQUIRE LEFT TURNS TO RUN CONCURRENTLY TO MOVE THAT TRAFFIC THROUGH.

PARTICULARLY EDGE MET. I'M SURE ED SCHMIDT HAS INNOVATION GOING WEST TO CELL FROM 39 ALSO REQUIRING THAT.

BUT IF YOU BUILD THE INTERSECTION WITH THE DEDICATED RIGHT TURN LANES AND THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF LEFT TURN LANES TO MEET THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND YOU PUT FOUR LANES DOWN ON LIMMER LOOP, THEN WE ARE SHOWING THAT GROWTH RATE HOLDS TRUE AND THAT AVERAGE MIGHT BE THE MOST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK, SO TO SPEAK. UTILITY IMPACTS WOULD BE LESS.

>> YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS ALTERNATIVE 2-4?

>> AT THIS TIME I WOULD SAY 2-4. >> NOT IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS?

>> WHEN WE DO ANALYSIS FOR THE BASELINE YEAR, THE NOBILITY OR THE 20 YEAR, DON'T HAVE DATA BUT IN BETWEEN.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT TO SEE IF THERE IS A BREAKDOWN

HERE, SO TO SPEAK. >> THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

YOU HAVE IT AS-- EVERYTHING IS F.

F AND D EVERYWHERE. I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO BE

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SHORTSIGHTED, BUT THIS PROJECT REPRESENTS AN ENTIRE YEAR OF OUR REVENUE. AND WE HAVE 20 DIFFERENT INTERSECTIONS OVER 20 DIFFERENT ROAD PROJECTS.

ODD LOOKING AT WE SAY 2 MILLION HERE.

WE PICKED THAT UP AND WE PUT IT THERE, IT'S NOT THAT MUCH.

WE GET THE RIGHT OF WAY. MAKE SAFE AS YOU CAN.

WHAT I HATE IS-- WE MADE LIMMER LOOP A THREE LANE STOP SIGN.

AND THEN THEY EXTENDED THE ROAD AND THEY WERE HAPPY.

AND WE CAME BACK TO SIGNAL AS A, AND WE SIGNALIZED IT.

AND FOUR YEARS LATER, WE HAVEN'T EVEN-- THIS IS WHAT I FIND INTERESTING, WE HAVE NOT EVEN PAID OFF THE DEBT ON THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE ITEMS. SO WERE GOING TO SCRAP THEM AND BUILD MORE AND IF WE DON'T DO IT RIGHT WE WILL BE PAYING FOR THE FIRST INTERSECTION, THE SECOND INTERSECTION.

WE WILL REBUILD THE THIRD ONE. AND AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO GET CAUGHT UP. BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO GET SO FAR AHEAD THAT PEOPLE ASK WHY DID YOU BUILD? WHY DID YOU BUILD A SIX LANE ROAD WHEN THERE IS NOTHING THERE. THAT'S WHY WE WANT YOU TO RECOMMEND-- WE JUST GO BY THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF PROFESSIONAL.

>> I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS SO I CAN UNDERSTAND.

THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE DEDICATED LEFT TURN, THEY COST MORE BECAUSE OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THE DEDICATED LEFT TURN-- >> AND THE ROUNDABOUT.

>> BOTH OF THOSE COST MORE BECAUSE THE MAJORITY--

>> IT'S A LOT MORE PAVEMENT. AND THE IMAGE-- WE DREW CONCEPT IMAGES. TEACHER ROUNDABOUT DESIGN HAS SOMETHING CALLED A FASTEST PATH ANALYSIS.

SO THE ROUNDABOUT STRAIGHT ON ACTUALLY KIND OF WIGGLES AS YOU GET CLOSE TO IT. TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN SO YOU CANNOT JUST BUST THROUGH MULTIPLE LANES AND GET THERE FASTER. SOME OF THAT RUNS OUT PRETTY FAR. AND THAT INTERSECTION APPROACH RESULTS IN MORE PAVEMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

IT'S JUST MORE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEREFORE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS AREA, IT'S MORE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

>> FROM A SAFETY AND LEVEL OF SERVICE PART, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE DEDICATED LEFT TURN COST THE MOST. BUT THE HIGH SCORES AND ALL THAT STUFF. MY NEXT QUESTION IS FOR THE CITY MANAGER. IT SAYS THE CITY'S P.M., BASED ON FEEDBACK, THE CITY'S P.M., BLUE ALTERNATIVES WERE CHOSEN-- CHOSEN. WHEN YOU LOOK AT ED SCHMIDT WE CHOSE TWO ROUNDABOUT OPTIONS THAT WERE-- BRIGHT RED THERE WITH THE LOWEST SCORES. I KNOW YOU LOVE ROUNDABOUTS, JAMES. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE-- I'M NOT TRYING TO HATE ON ROUNDABOUTS. EVEN THOUGH OBVIOUSLY I DO NOT LIKE THEM. BUT THEY DON'T SEEM LIKE A GOOD OPTION FOR HIGH-VOLUME INTERSECTIONS.

IS THAT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT? >> I WOULD SAY THAT'S ACCURATE.

THESE ARE THE CAP NEXT RESULTS. IT SPITS OUT DATA.

IT'S A STARTING POINT. SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE NUMBERS AND SEE HOW HIGH THEY ARE. AND PREDICT THAT THAT'S WHAT IT WILL BE AT WHEN IT COMES TO LEVEL OF SERVICE.

BUT YOU'RE CURIOUS TO PERHAPS TO SEE WHAT SPECIFIC MOVEMENTS FAIL, AND CAN YOU SOMEHOW CREATE AN INNOVATIVE ROUNDABOUT WHERE IF YOU JUST NEED TO GET ONE MOVEMENT GOING THROUGH, CAN YOU JUST GET SOMETHING AND CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS A ROUNDABOUT.

EVEN THOUGH IT SHOWS READ, THERE IS VALIDITY.

AND WE FELT THERE WAS VALIDITY. IT'S WORTH IT TO TAKE THE NEXT LEVEL OF SERVICE STEP AND SEE WHAT THOSE MOVEMENTS ARE THAT WE

CAN DO. >> THERE IS A ROUNDABOUT IN AUSTIN THAT I GO TOO FREQUENTLY AND IT'S HORRIBLE, I HATE IT.

MOSTLY JUST BECAUSE IT'S OVERCROWDED.

BUT I AM KIND OF WITH MICHAEL ON THIS ONE.

NOT THAT WE ARE GOING TO BLAME YOU.

BUT MAYBE SOME PEOPLE WILL. BUT I'M LOOKING FOR THE MOST BANG FOR MY BUCK. AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW TO GYMS POINT. WHAT IS THAT BRIGHT POINT OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN 15 YEARS, OR WHATEVER IT IS? IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO

DECIDE SOMETHING AT SOME POINT. >> AND WHEN WE ARE THINKING ABOUT THESE INTERSECTIONS, I MIGHT GO BACK A FEW SLIDES HERE.

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>> FOR THE RECOMMENDATION, WE JUST TALKED A LOT, AND WE DIDN'T REALLY AGREE. ONE POINT OF VIEW IS THAT YOU GO FOR THE ECOLOGICAL ASPECT THAT SIGNAL IS THE BEST OPTION, BUT AS A TRAFFIC ENGINEER OR TRANSPORT ENGINEER, WE NEED TO BLEND THE OPERATION AS THE SAFETY-- WITH THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE. SO IF I DON'T HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THE COST, I WOULD-- ARE THE CITY WOULD SUGGEST WE SHOULD GO FOR SIGNAL AND ROUNDABOUT.

THE DISPLACED LEFT TURN AT JAMES SCHMIDT.

BECAUSE IT'S WORKING AS A MAJOR ROAD ON BOTH SIDES.

NOT SOUTH AND EAST WEST. AND ROUNDABOUT IS NOT A GOOD OPTION FOR THAT ONE. BECAUSE WHEN THE VOLUME IS MORE THAN 18K, DAILY VOLUME, IT DOES NOT WORK.

SO THAT IS WHY WHEN THE VOLUME IS THAT HIGH WE CANNOT DO A ROUNDABOUT. SO THERE LOOKING AT A TWO BY TWO ROUNDABOUT IN BOTH CASES FOR INNOVATION, IT JUST DID NOT REALLY PAN OUT. SO IF YOU ASKED ME PERSONALLY I'M GOING TO SAY SIGNAL AT INNOVATION AND ONE BY TWO ROUNDABOUT. BUT WE CAN DO IT LATER.

BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE YEAR THIS INTERSECTION IS GOING TO RUN AFTER. BEFORE THAT IT'S QUITE FINE.

SO WE MIGHT DELIVER THE PROCESS FOR THE MEDIUM ONE, AND FOR THE SCHMIDT ONE WE CAN GO FOR SIGNALIZED.

THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. >> SIGNAL INNOVATION, FUTURE AT REDFISH. DOUBLE LEFT TURN AND SIGNAL AT

SCHMIDT. >> YES.

>> AND TWO LANES-- FOUR LANES? >> FOUR LANES.

YES. >> I AGREE.

I'D LIKE TO BUY A FERRARI. I CANNOT AFFORD IT.

BUT IF I CAN GET A CORVETTE ON THE WAY, THAT WILL BE ALL RIGHT.

I LIKE THAT OPTION. THEY ARE JUST THE MOST EXPENSIVE. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WERE MOVING TRAFFIC AND PEOPLE ARE NOT SITTING AT A LIGHT FOREVER.

>> WE WANTED TO SEE WHAT KIND OF IMPLEMENTATION WE CAN DO.

AND ED SCHMIDT CAN RUN SMOOTHLY. SO IT'S SHOWING THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE HE CAN BE POSSIBLE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID WITH MLS.

IT SHOWS THAT IT'S POSSIBLE. BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THAT MUCH CURRENTLY. AND AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER WE HAVE THE CONVENIENCE STORE. SO IF WE HAVE TO CHOOSE THIS ONE, WE MIGHT THINK ABOUT MOVING THE INTERSECTION TO THE EAST OF THE AREA, EVEN THOUGH IT'S HARD FOR THE ACQUISITION, BUT IT

MIGHT BE AN OPTION. >> I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHY THE REASON THE STUDY SHOWED AT REDFISH THAT YOU NEED TO BE ROUNDABOUT THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO BEAT THE INTERSECTION ANYWAY. SO THEY ARE TAKING BLACK BEAR DOWN TO REDFISH TO BEAT ED SCHMIDT.

SO IF EDGE MET WAS CORRECTED AND YOU CORRECT INNOVATION, YOU MIGHT NOT NEED THE ROUNDABOUT. I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP

HERE. >> THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

YOU ARE DISPLACING TRAFFIC ALL OVER THE CITY TRYING TO GET HOME. SO WHEN YOU FIX ONE INTER INTERSECTION, SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT DOING A WHOLE BUNCH AT ONCE. ONCE YOU DO ONE INTERSECTION YOU HAVE TO SIT BACK FOR A FEW MONTHS.

AND IT'S CHANGING TRAFFIC PATTERNS.

AND YOU MAY NOT NEED THE WORK THAT YOU THOUGHT YOU NEEDED THEN. YOU MAY NEED WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE. WITH MORE PEOPLE TRYING TO GET

THROUGH THE INTERSECTION. >> YOU CAN PULL UP GPS AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT AS YOUR COMING NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND. SAY YOU'RE COMING FROM CHANDLER DOWN TOWARDS THE LOOP. IF TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP, IT LOOKS LIKE PEOPLE TAKE A RIGHT TURN ON BLACK BEAR AND THEN THEY ARE GOING TO HEAD WEST AND THEN SOUTH DOWN REDFISH.

AND THAT WOULD BEAT THE INTERSECTION.

THAT'S WHERE THAT ROUNDABOUT IS GOING TO GO.

AND I THINK THAT MAYBE WHY THE WARRANT STAYS THERE.

BUT IF YOU HAVE THAT INTERSECTION THAT'S BETTER THAN NUMBER LOOP, IT KEEP SOMEONE FROM GOING THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION. -- YIP LOOP.

YOU MAY NOT EVEN NEED IT. A DECREASE TO SEE IF THERE IS

SOME MODELING ON THAT. >> FOR REDFISH LANE IF WE GO THROUGH THE MLS, IT WILL ONLY MAKE THAT AMOUNT OF TRAVEL.

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AND IT'S NOT HAPPENING IN THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR OUR NEAR FUTURE. IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

IF WE EXTRAPOLATE THE DATA IT MIGHT SHOW AROUND 20-40.

AND ONLY THE SOUTHBOUND TRAVELING THAT MUCH.

SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN EXCLUDE IT AND WE MIGHT TAKE

OTHER OPTIONS. >> I WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION.

I APPRECIATE YOUR ANALYSIS ON ERRING ON THE SIDE OF SAFETY.

BUT MY QUESTION, AND FORGIVE ME IF YOU COVERED IT.

I'M TRYING TO ABSORB ALL OF THIS.

BUT WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ALTERNATIVES, AND THE DATA AND STUDIES YOU DID. IN THE SHORT TERM, WE WERE ALWAYS AWARE THAT THERE WILL BE A LARGE AMOUNT OF NEW TRAFFIC BEING DUMPED ONTO OUR ROADS ON A WEEKLY BASIS AT THIS POINT.

WITH ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS COMING OUT IN HUTTO.

WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT DESIGNING HOW WE MOVE TRAFFIC, DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR WHAT TYPE OF DESIGN RESPONDS BEST WHENEVER WE HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF NEW TRAFFIC ON THE ROADS? WOULD YOU HAVE SIGNALS? DOES NOT RESPOND BETTER BECAUSE OF THE TIMING? OR IS IT A MODIFIED ROUNDABOUT BECAUSE IT KEEPS PEOPLE MOVING. THEN YOU ARE SUDDENLY HAVING TO DUMP MORE PEOPLE BECAUSE THAT'S OEC ALREADY.

IN THE SHORT TERM, IT FEELS LIKE WE ARE SEEING MORE AND MORE TRAFFIC ON A MONTHLY BASIS. WHAT TYPE OF DESIGN RESPONDS BEST WITH THAT TYPE OF SCENARIO. WOULD APPEAR ROUNDABOUT DESIGN FOR HUTTO, OR THE SIGNALS FOR THE TIMING?

>> FOR SURE, WITH THE VOLUME BELOW 18K, ROUNDABOUT IS THE BEST OPTION. IT GIVES YOU OPERATION.

AND AT THE SAME TIME IT GIVES YOU SAFETY.

BECAUSE IT HAS ONLY EIGHT CONFLICT POINTS WHEREAS THERE IS TWO WITH THE SIGNALIZED. IF THE BLAME IS LESS THAN 18K.

>> TO JAMES INTERVIEW YOU? THAT SOUNDS LIKE...

[LAUGHTER] >> THAT'S BECAUSE FACTS ARE FACTS, MAYOR PRO TEM. THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY THAT I HAVE HEARD, THAT I WOULD PUSH BACK ON A LITTLE BIT, AND I DON'T KNOW, ELLIOT IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS.

IF YOU CAN'T, IT'S OKAY. I JUST HEARD HER SAY 18,000, BUT I WAS TRAINED THAT IT'S CLOSER TO 50,000 FOR THE ROUNDABOUT.

AND UP UNTIL YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE I THINK THAT YOU NEED THREE THROUGH LANES GOING BOTH DIRECTIONS OF THE INTERSECTION, TRADITIONALLY ROUNDABOUTS PERFORM BETTER.

I'M CURIOUS. EVEN THE THREE BY THREE ROUNDABOUT AT ED SCHMIDT IS SHOWING OVERCAPACITY.

I AM WONDERING IF THE MODEL, IS ACTUALLY A CAPACITY ISSUE, OR IS THE MODEL CREATING CIRCULATION CONFLICTS THAT WEREN'T BUILT IN THE ASSUMPTION? SO IS IT BEING PUNISHED BECAUSE OF THE ASSUMPTIONS RATHER THAN IT BEING FACTUALLY A PROBLEM

AFTER ANALYSIS HAS LOOKED AT IT? >> WE DO HAVE THE VOLUME ABOUT 35K FOR EAST-WEST DIRECTION. AND NORTHWEST DIRECTION WE HAVE 31K. SO ROUNDABOUT WHEN YOU ARE RUNNING, 30K VOLUME, IT'S ALREADY FALLING.

WHEN YOU ARE SAYING 50K AS POSSIBLE.

THEIR MULTIPLE LANES. NOT THREE BY THREE OR FOUR BY FOUR. SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY STANDARD. 18K IS THE ONE THAT REALLY GOES WELL. BEFORE THAT 30K GETS INTO SOME

ISSUES. >> DEDICATED FOR ONE LANE, NOT

TWO LANES IN THE CIRCLE? >> IT'S OKAY.

I'LL GET INTO IT WITH THEM OFF-LINE.

WE CAN GEEK OUT ON ALL THE NUMBERS.

>> NIB THERE? >> NOT TO BE SUPER RUDE HERE AND FORWARD. BUT I'M HOPING THE CITY MANAGER AND YOU GUYS HAVE ALL TALKED PRIOR TO THE MEETING, SO YOU GUYS ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. BECAUSE ARE BEING ASKED TO MAKE A 20 MILLION-DOLLAR DECISION. YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT BE DONE. BUT YOU GUYS SHOULD BE ON THE

SAME PAGE. >> WHAT I'M ASKING IS DEPENDING ON IF IT'S ONE DOUBLE OR TRIPLE IN THE ROUNDABOUT, THAT LIMITS THE CAPACITY. YOU SAID THAT 18 OR 14K, 15K, THAT'S FOR ONE CIRCLE. ONE LANE CIRCLE.

IF IT GOES UP TO TWO OR MORE, DOES THAT MAXIMUM CAPACITY GO

UP? >> 18K VOLUME, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TRUE TRAFFIC. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT WE ARE DOING. IF THE CAPACITY OF THE ROAD IS

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BELOW 18K, THEN TWO THREW LANE, OR 22 BY TWO WORKS BETTER.

THAT'S THE ONE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ELLIOT.

IT'S A THING I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.

ON THE P.M. DELAY OF ALT 1-4, FOR EDGE MITT, THE DELAY IS 2025. BUT THE ALT SIX IS 27.6.

IT'S BARELY ANY DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE FOUR LANE AND THE SIX LANE? I'M CURIOUS, A SIX LANE WOULD NOT DRASTICALLY DECREASE THE DELAY?

I'M JUST LOOKING AT NUMBERS. >> ARE WE READY TO MAKE A

DECISION TONIGHT? >> MAYOR, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT. WE WERE NOT LOOKING OR YOU TO MAKE AN ACTUAL DECISION TONIGHT. WE DON'T USUALLY PRESENT NEW INFORMATION AND ASK YOU TO DECIDE THE SAME NIGHT.

THIS IS ABOUT GETTING INFORMATION IN FRONT OF YOU SO WE CAN MAKE FINAL TWEAKS OR ADJUSTMENTS AND COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL FOR YOU ALL TO CHOOSE ON WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WE DO THAT AS A CATCHALL.

IF WE DON'T DO POSSIBLE ACTION WE GET BIT IN THE POSTERIOR.

>> YOU GUYS CAN BRING BACK A RECOMMENDATION AND I THINK EVERYBODY-- YOU MIGHT DISAGREE THAT WERE-- WE'RE ALL ALL TRYING TO GET THE SAFEST ROAD WITH THE MOST VOLUME AT THE BEST PRICE.

WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH MONEY AS OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THESE GUYS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

LEARNING MORE ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS AND ALL THAT STUFF.

[8.3. Presentation and possible action related to the usage of unallocated Outside Agency Funding to conduct a Community Assets and Gaps Analysis to inform the direction and scope of the Hippos Helping Hippos Initiative. (Kristi Barnes)]

>> SORRY IT WAS SO LATE IN THE DAY.

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN OVER COFFEE IN THE MORNING.

>> 8.3. PRESENTATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO THE USAGE OF UNALLOCATED OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING TO CONDUCT A COMMUNITY ASSETS AND GAPS ANALYSIS TO AND POORLY DIRECTION AND SCOPE OF THE HIPPOS HELPING HIPPOS

INITIATIVE. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. KRISTI BARNES-- KRISTI BARNES.

THIS IS ALIGNED WITH THE CITY OF HUTTO STRATEGIC PRIORITIES RELATED TO COMMUNITY TRUST AND MEANINGFUL SERVICE.

THE CITY OF HUTTO PROVIDES FUNDING TO COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THROUGH OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING, OR OIF.

THIS PROGRAM SUPPORT SERVICES BENEFITING HUTTO RESIDENTS.

FOLLOWING THE FY 2027 OH AF ALLOCATION PROCESS, APPROXIMATELY $25,000 OR MEANS UNALLOCATED.

STAFF HAS BEEN EXPLORING A POTENTIAL USE OF THESE FUNDS TO A GROUP OF CITIES UNDERSTANDING OUR COMMITTEE SERVICES, ORGANIZATIONAL CAPACITIES, RESIDENTIAL EXPERIENCES AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUTURE COLLABORATION.

THE COLLECTIVE HAS SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL FOR THE HUTTO COMMUNITY ECOSYSTEM AND VOICE ASSESSMENT WITH THE TOTAL PROPOSED INVESTMENT OF $25,000 AND AN ESTIMATED TIMELINE OF 16 WEEKS.

THE ASSESSMENT IS DESIGNED TO BUILD ON EXISTING PUBLIC DATA SUCH AS STRATEGIC PLAN AND THE COMMUNITY SURVEY.

AND EXAMINE THREE CONNECTED AREAS.

THE ORGANIZATIONS AND PROGRAMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY SERVING HUTTO RESIDENTS, THE RELATIONSHIPS AND REFERRAL NETWORKS CONNECTING THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, AND RESIDENTS EXPERIENCING ACCESSING AVAILABLE SERVICES. THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES AN INVENTORY OF COMMUNITY SERVICES AND ORGANIZATIONAL CAPACITY.

CONVERSATIONS WITH APPROXIMATELY TEN TO 50 NONPROFITS AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS. FOUR TARGETED RESIDENT FOCUS GROUPS, INTERVIEWS WITH CITY STAFF, ANALYSIS-- AND AN ANALYSIS OF SERVICE GAPS AND PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES.

DELIVERABLES INCLUDE COMMUNITY DATA SNAPSHOTS AND COMMUNITY ECOSYSTEM MAPS. A COMMITTEE VOICE SUMMARY, A GAP AND OPPORTUNITY REPORTS AND A FINAL LEADERSHIP REPORT.

THIS ALSO-- THIS ASSESSMENT WILL ALSO SUPPORT THE BROADER PURPOSE OF OUR HIPPOS HELPING HIPPOS INITIATIVE.

THE CITY'S COMMUNITY INVESTMENT CONNECTION INITIATIVE.

HIPPOS HELPING HIPPOS PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO STRENGTHEN RELATIONSHIPS AMONG NONPROFITS, FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS AND OTHER COMMUNITY PARTNERS. THE PROPOSED ASSESSMENT COULD HELP INFORM THE WORK BY IDENTIFYING EXISTING RESOURCES, GAPS IN OUR CURRENT SERVICE COVERAGE, ORGANIZATIONAL CAPACITY CONSTRAINTS, AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR COLLABORATION.

IT'S FINDINGS COULD INFORM FUTURE OFFSET AGENCY FUNDING DECISIONS AND OTHER COMMUNITY INVESTMENT STRATEGIES, AS WAS DISCUSSED DURING OUR FY 2027 DISCUSSIONS.

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WITH THAT WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE WILCO COLLECTIVE THIS EVENING TO WALK YOU THROUGH A PRESENTATION AND I AM AVAILABLE VOLVO QUESTIONS AS WELL.

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THIS. CAN YOU SAY IT IN SIMPLE TERMS WHAT WERE ACTUALLY TRYING TO DO? IT SOUNDS VERY COMPLICATED.

MEAN SERVICES, ORGANIZATIONAL CAPACITY, RESIDENT EXPERIENCES,

WHAT-- >> IN THE MOST SIMPLISTIC TERMS, THIS IS REALLY JUST A GAPS IN RESOURCE ANALYSIS.

>> $25,000 TO FIND OUT WHAT GAPS WE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY?

>> MORE OR LESS. >> ISN'T THAT WHAT THE DEI COMMUNITY SERVICE GROUP WAS WORKING ON?

GAPS? >> SIMILAR.

THIS IS THE THING ABOUT IT-- >> AND YOU SPEAK IN TO THE

MICROPHONE. >> WHEN WE HAVE AN ANALYSIS OF GAPS AND RESOURCES, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THAT DATA.

WE HAVE COMMUNITY SURVEYS WE DO. BUT IT DID BECOME A CHARGE OF THE FORMERLY KNOWN DIB COMMISSION.

WE WERE IDENTIFYING GAPS WITHIN THE TARGETED COMMUNITY, WHICH IS FINE. BUT IN GATHERING MORE DATA AND HAVING A BETTER SCOPE, THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE.

MY QUESTION I WAS COMES BACK TO-- ONCE WE HAVE THIS DATA, WHAT WILL BE DONE WITH IT. IF THERE IS NOT ALREADY A STRATEGIC IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AROUND IT, THEN WE SHOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD ON SPENDING MONEY ON JUST FINDING OUT WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE. SO ANY KIND OF PLAN LIKE THIS, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN ACCOMPANYING VERY STRONG-- THIS IS HOW WE WILL IMPLEMENTED-- IMPLEMENT IT AND HOW WE WILL PROVE WE WILL IMPLEMENT IT. BECAUSE WE WILL KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS IT, WILL HAVE THE CAPACITY AND KNOWLEDGE AND RESOURCES TO IMPLEMENT IT AND TACKLE WHAT WE WILL BE TACKLING.

THIS IS MY EXPERIENCE IN DOING THIS WORK.

IT'S NEVER ADVISABLE TO SPEND MONEY WITHOUT FINDING OUT WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIX ANYTHING OR CHANGE ANYTHING. I'M OPEN TO HEARING HOW WE DO A BETTER JOB OF FINDING OUT WHERE THE NEEDS ARE AND WHERE THE GAPS ARE. BUT IT HAS TO COME WITH A CONCRETE PLAN, AND A CAPACITY TO IMPLEMENT.

>> YOUR SUGGESTING SPENDING $25,000 ON--

>> IT HAS TO BE FULLY ROUNDED AND FUNDED FOR THIS WORK.

>> THAT'S A GREAT POINT, COUNCILMEMBER, ZEPEDA.

A WONDERFUL POINT. SOME OF THAT WILL BE COVERED HERE. BUT WE PROVIDED THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND SOME OTHER INFORMATION THAT THEY BASE THE PROPOSAL ON.

THIS IS NOT JUST KIND OF GOING OFF LEFT-FIELD.

THIS IS ALL WITH YOUR CURRENT STRATEGIC PLAN.

AS FAR AS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, AND IMPLEMENTATION, THAT'S PART OF THE PACKAGE. I WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO GO AHEAD AND PRESENT AND MAYBE THAT MIGHT HELP ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. IF NOT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER MORE.

WOULD THAT WORK? OKAY.

COURTNEY? >> THANK YOU MAYOR, THANK YOU COUNCIL. AND I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE DO THIS KIND OF WORK ALL OVER. IN MANY COUNTIES, IN MANY CITIES. AND WE SAY-- SAY THAT THOSE ARE THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT EVERYONE HAD.

WE THINK THOSE ARE VALID QUESTIONS.

IMPORTANT QUESTIONS. ONE THING THAT WE DO TRY TO LOOK AT IS WE HAVE VARIOUS POCKETS OF GROUPS DOING WORK THAT IS NOT INTERCONNECTED. SO WE TRY TO LOOK AT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, TO GIVE YOU A ROAD MAP TO THAT CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THOSE POCKETS OF WORK. THE OTHER THING THAT WE FIND IS A LOT OF THIS STUFF-- PEOPLE WILL FOCUS ON A REALLY NARROW FOCUS OF LOOKING AT A SPECIFIC NEED.

AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS LOOK AT SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE BROAD BASED ON YOUR DATA ANALYSIS.

AND LOOK AT HOW WE CAN BRING FORWARD VALUED RECOMMENDATIONS.

YOU MAY HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE IN YOUR FINDINGS. WE SAT HERE AND FOUND OUT FOR THINGS THAT WE DID NOT KNOW EXISTED IN HUTTO.

>> THE VISE ANALYSIS WAS ONE OF THEM?

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>> YES. JUST LISTENING AND UNDERSTANDING THOSE THINGS ARE SUPER IMPORTANT.

BUT WHAT WE FIND IS WHEN WE GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND TALK TO PEOPLE WITH LIVED EXPERIENCES, THEIR EXPERIENCE IS QUITE DIFFERENT. AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE TALK WITH PEOPLE WITH LIVED EXPERIENCE, THEIR EXPERIENCE IS DIFFERENT THAN THE PEOPLE WHO DO THE SUPPORT, THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT SUPPORT THOSE PEOPLE. SO THE LIVED EXPERIENCE PEOPLE MAY HAVE SOME DIFFERENT OPINIONS.

AND WE THINK IT IS SUPER IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE THEM.

ALL WE ARE ASKING, AND WE GAVE THIS PRESENTATION AND WE TALKED TO CHRISTY ABOUT THIS AHEAD OF TIME.

WE ARE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS ACTUALLY SERVING THE RESIDENTS OF HUTTO TODAY? HOW WELL IS IT WORKING AND WHERE THE GAPS? WHAT WE FEEL LIKE IS FROM THESE TYPES OF ANALYSES ON OUR PART IS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE DATA THAT CAN CONNECT TO FUNDING.

AND WE WORK WITH LARGE FUNDERS. THE HOG FOUNDATION, SAINT DAVID'S FOUNDATION, WE WORK WITH THOSE FOUNDATIONS TO FIND OUT WHAT THEIR FUNDING MODELS ARE, AND THEN WE ALSO SEE HOW WE CAN TIE IN THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY TO SOME OF THOSE FUNDING MODELS. AND I'M SURE YOU HAVE GONE OUT FOR SOME OF THOSE FUNDS BEFORE AND YOU MAY HAVE GOTTEN THEM AND YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE. BUT THAT IS ANOTHER PIECE OF THE PUZZLE. COURTNEY WILL TELL YOU ABOUT THE PROCESS, AND DOLL COME BACK AND DRIVE HOME THE NUMBERS.

>> MY NAME IS COURTNEY. THANK YOU, RE.

DATA IS JUST A SMALL PART OF THIS.

THE BREAD-AND-BUTTER IS FOCUSED ON WHAT ARE THE PEOPLE-- DO THE PEOPLE OF HUTTO HAVE TO SAY. DATA IS HELPING INFORM WHO ARE THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE POPULATIONS THAT HAVE THE GREATEST NEED. AND THEN WE WANT TO TALK TO THOSE PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE. WE WANT TO HEAR THEIR STORIES.

WE WANT TO HEAR WHAT IS WORKING FOR THEM AND WHAT IS NOT.

AND WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE AS HUTTO CONTINUES TO GROW.

AND THAT IS KIND OF WHERE THAT IS FOCUSED.

THE MAP IS REALLY JUST WHAT OVERLAPS ARE THERE, WHAT SYSTEMS ARE THERE ALREADY AND HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THOSE BY INFORMING THEM THROUGH THE COMMUNITY OF VOICES. AND THAT COMES WITH RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL INFORM, I BELIEVE, BASED ON MY CONVERSATIONS WITH CHRISTY, THE HIPPOS HELPING HIPPOS PROJECT.

THIS IS A 60 WEEK TIMELINE. THE DATA PIECE IS THE VERY BEGINNING. MAPPING WILL HAPPEN CONCURRENTLY WITH THE LISTENING TO RESIDENTS, AND WE WILL ANALYSE THE GAPS AGAINST WHAT THE PAPER SAYS AND THE DATA SAYS VERSUS WHAT THE PEOPLE SAY THEY NEED AND WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS HUTTO GROWS AND MOVES FORWARD. AS WAS MENTIONED, THE TABLE-- WE ALREADY MENTIONED THE DELIVERABLES.

AND MY BACKGROUND IS A NONPROFIT.

I WAS AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR TEN YEARS, AND REALLY CAN SEE THE VALUE IN WORKING WITH OTHER COURT-- ORGANIZATIONS TO INCLUDE THE COMMUNITY. A FOOD PANTRY IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS. A HOMELESS SHELTER IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS. YOU HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER AND THAT REQUIRES THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE DATA TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE NEEDS AND WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT TO SEE.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE AIMING AT.

HOW TO GET THE ORGANIZATIONS AND SERVICES THAT ARE IN HUTTO AND SERVING HUTTO TO START TO WORK TOGETHER.

AND I THINK RAY WILL TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS.

>> SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO JUST EMPHASIZE IS YOU HAVE PROBABLY DONE SURVEYS AND YOU HAVE PROBABLY RATHER DATA A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS TO THINK ABOUT, AND THIS IS WHAT WE HEAR WHEN WE DO THIS TYPE OF WORK.

I HAVE DONE THIS WORK NOW IN 11 COUNTIES, SOUTH EAST OF HERE THROUGH THE GREATER FAITH COMMUNITY FOUNDATION.

ONE THING WE HEAR IS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO FEEL HEARD, BUT THEY WANT TO FEEL EMPOWERMENT THAT THE ACTIONS THAT THEY ARE TAKING ARE SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY THEY CAME UP WITH.

IN DOING THIS KIND OF WORK, ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOK FOR OUR THOSE ORGANIC SOLUTIONS THAT CAN HAPPEN WITHIN THESE GROUPS.

AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS CAN ACTUALLY GO ALONG WITH SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE.

IT'S NOT CREATING A NEW PROJECT, IT'S MAYBE PUTTING A FINER POINT

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ON PROJECTS. AS YOU MOVE FORWARD, AND HAVING THEM HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO AFTER FUNDING TO EXPAND THOSE PROJECTS. I WILL TELL YOU THIS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS A LOT OF TIMES IN COMMUNITIES AS THEY LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AS HAVING NEEDS FOR SOCIAL SERVICES, BUT THEY DON'T LOOK AT THE CROSS SECTOR OF SOCIAL SERVICE NEEDS.

ONE OF THE PROJECTS WE ARE WORKING ON NOW IS A MENTAL HEALTH PROJECT. WHAT I AM TRYING TO EXPLAIN IS WHEN YOU THINK OF A MENTAL HEALTH PROJECT AND A MENTAL HEALTH NEED FOR A COMMUNITY, THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S A CERTAIN ECONOMIC CLASS, IT'S A CERTAIN F LINK-- A CERTAIN ETHNIC CLASS. IT'S NOT A CERTAIN I DON'T HAVE A JOB CLASS. MENTAL HEALTH ACTUALLY FITS IN TO ALL OF THE COMMUNITY. IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT AS A WHOLE. SO THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES-- IT SUPER IMPORTANT TO GO BACK AND SAY, OKAY.

HOW DO WE WORK NOT JUST IN THE SOCIAL SERVICE SECTORS THAT ARE SUPPORTING THE UNDERREPRESENTED POPULATIONS, BUT WHAT IF SOMETHING SURFACES LIKE WE NEED GREATER WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT IN A CERTAIN FIELD LIKE IN DAY CARE? OR WE NEED WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT IN HOME HEALTH CARE.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT COULD COME OUT OF THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE FOUND IN SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU HAVE LOOKED AT. COURTNEY AND I HAVE DONE THIS WORK. COURTNEY HAS WORKED IN EASTERN WINGS AND COUNTER COLLABORATIVE. AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, A FOOD ACCESS GROUP. I TALKED TO YOU GUYS ALREADY ABOUT EMPOWERING RURAL VOICES, WHICH IS DONE THROUGH THE GREATER COMMUNITY FOUNDATION. I WORKED WITH THE HEALTH DISTRICT AND DID AT LEAST TWO OTHER COMMUNITY NEEDS ASSESSMENTS AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY HEALTH IMPROVEMENT PLANS. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE HAVE WRITTEN IMPROVEMENT PLANS. BUT WE FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO GATHER THE INFORMATION BEFORE YOU CAN GET TO STRATEGIES.

I WANT TO SAY WE DID AN ANALYSIS OF YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN AND WE FEEL LIKE THE PLAN WE CAME UP WITH IS COMPLEMENTARY TO YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WE HAVE. SO IT'S JUST FILLING IN GAPS THAT YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE. NEXT STEPS WOULD BE TO I GUESS APPROVED THIS. AND WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD BY MEETING WITH CHRISTY AND KICKING OFF THIS PLAN AS IT STANDS.

WE ARE OPEN FOR QUESTIONS. >> QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION-- I'M ON A COUPLE OF BOARDS.

ONE OF THEM IS KEEP HUTTO BEAUTIFUL.

WHICH DOES IT THROUGH GROWING VEGETABLES, GIVING THEM TO THE FOOD PANTRY. THE RESOURCE CENTER.

IN LATER, RECYCLING. THE GREATER HUTTO CLEANUP.

BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE IN SISTER BOARDS.

WITH TRAILS, ACTIVITY ON THE TRAILS.

LITTER COLLECTION. THERE ARE PEOPLE LOOKING FOR MORE LITTER AND RECYCLING THINGS.

MORE IN THE OLD TOWN. THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, THINGS LIKE THAT. IF YOU COME UP WITH A GAP THAT SAYS WE HAVE THESE PEOPLE IN THESE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT ALL HAVE THIS SAME MINDED THING. ENVIRONMENT, RECYCLING.

GIVING BACK TO NATURE, OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES.

NOT NECESSARILY SPORTS RELATED, BUT HIKING AND CLEANING UP CREAKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND ALSO GARDENING IN GENERAL.

HOW WOULD YOU GO FORWARD TO HELPING LINK A COMMUNITY THAT IS REASONABLY DIVERSE IN THE CITY OF HUTTO BACK AND HELPING THE SECOND HALF OF THIS. WHAT ARE THE SUGGESTIONS YOU THINK THAT COULD BE PROVIDED TO THE CITY TO HELP CONNECT ALL THOSE DIFFERENT GROUPS, THOSE LIKE-MINDED GROUPS.

>> I WILL GIVE AN EXAMPLE. I WORK WITH A GROUP OF ORGANIZATIONS IN WIMBERLEY CALLED NONPROFITS OF WIMBERLEY.

AND ONE THING THAT WE WORKED WITH IS HOW TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH EACH OTHER. SO THEY CAN WORK WHEN THINGS ARE

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GOING WELL AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER.

BUT HOW DO THEY WORK TOGETHER IN CRISIS.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT COMES UP AS WELL.

ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT COULD BE INSTRUMENTAL IF YOU HAD A CRISIS IN TOWN, OR IN THE COMMUNITY, IN HELPING OUT. WE ALSO FIND THESE NONPROFIT GROUPS AND AGENCIES AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, AS WELL AS YOUR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, WILL TEND TO SUPPORT TO DEVELOP GREATER RELATIONSHIPS WITH POPULATIONS OF FEEL DISCONNECTED.

SO WHEN WE GO OUT AND TALK TO COMMUNITIES, I JUST DID A SURVEY OUT WITH A HIGH SCHOOL GROUP IN WEIMER TEXAS.

IMO-- WORK MOSTLY IN RURAL SPACES.

AND THERE IS A REAL DISCONNECT GENERATIONALLY, AND I AM A FORMER HIGH SCHOOL PRINCIPAL. THERE IS A DISCONNECT GENERATIONALLY BETWEEN WHAT ADULTS THINK ABOUT YOUTH AND WHAT YOUTH SHOULD DO, AND WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY SHOULD DO. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT THERE WAS HOW TO FIND CONNECTION TO THE COMMUNITY SO THAT KIDDOS ACCRUE UP IN THE COMMUNITY STAY IN THE COMMUNITY AND DON'T LEAVE THE COMMUNITY, OR THEY FIND RESOURCES IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD NURTURE THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE ON. LIKE TAKING OVER THEIR PARENTS BUSINESS, OR WORKING ON THEIR PARENTS FARM.

SO THERE ARE PLACES LIKE THAT, THAT LOOK AT, THAT IS BEYOND

YOUR NORMAL SOCIAL SUPPORT. >> I CAN SEE THE VALUE IN THIS.

THERE WAS A-- LOOKING BACK THERE WAS AN EXPERIMENT, THERE ARE TWO GROUPS TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER, SEEMINGLY HAVING THE SAME VISIONS. BUT THE EXECUTION TURNED OUT TO BE DIFFERENT. AND IT REALLY BLEW UP.

BUT MOST GROUPS SUFFERED FOR A YEAR BEFORE THEY DECIDED TO DISSOCIATE. IF THIS GROUP-- NOT WITHOUT SPINNING OUR WHEELS ON RESOURCES, WITH GREAT INTENTIONS, GREAT INDIVIDUALS, BUT I THINK YOU SAID BUILDING CONNECTIONS AND NETWORKING, I THINK THAT'S A VITAL THING, WHEN YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF GREAT PEOPLE, VERY DIVERSE, GREAT SKILL SETS THAT CULTURES, BACKGROUNDS.

THERE IS SO MUCH HERE TO OFF-- TO OFFER.

AND SOMETIMES WE SPIN OUR WHEELS AND WASTE OUR EFFORTS.

THIS SOUNDS PRETTY INTERESTING TO ME.

>> I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. YOU TALK A LOT ABOUT HELPING GROUPS BE AWARE OF WHAT IS AVAILABLE.

DOES YOUR ORGANIZATION PROVIDE FREE GRANT WRITING SERVICES FOR

THESE GROUPS. >> DO WE PROVIDE-- NO.

WE ARE A FOR-PROFIT COMPANY. I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK WE ARE A NONPROFIT TEACHING HOW TO DO NONPROFIT THINGS.

COURTNEY AND I DO AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF FREE SERVICES.

LIKE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A CENTRAL TEXAS VETERANS NETWORK THAT WOULD FACILITATE. AND WE BRING VETERAN GROUPS THROUGHOUT ALL OF CENTRAL TEXAS, AS WELL AS VETERAN RESOURCES.

SO WE CAN HELP VETERAN POPULATIONS.

BUT WE DO NOT. BUT WE CAN DO IS GIVE YOU SUGGESTIONS ON GOOD GRANT WRITERS AND PEOPLE THAT DO THAT.

>> THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT. WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION, A LOT OF THE LIMITATIONS OF THESE GOOD GROUPS THAT TRY TO DO THIS GOOD WORK, IS THAT PIECE OF NOT KNOWING, ARE HAVING THE CAPACITY OR TIME TO WRITE A GRANT.

NOW YOU COULD RELY ON A GOOD AIA AGENT TO DO THE ANALYSIS FOR THEM. BUT THAT'S STILL HARD, ESPECIALLY WHEN TALKING ABOUT VOLUNTEERS.

AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, IT SIMILAR TO WHERE I WORKED WHEN I-- I WAS IN FIRST DEVELOP MUCH.

I'M AN ARCHITECT BY PROFESSION. SO I'M LOOKING AT THESE DIFFERENT GROUPS, WORKFORCE DEVELOP AT, TEXAS WORKFORCE COMMISSION, THE CHAMBERS INDUSTRY, HIGHER EDUCATION, PUBLIC EDUCATION. EVERYONE IS MAKING SURE WE HAVE A PREPARED FUTURE. AND EMPLOYERS HAVE THE TALENT THEY NEED. BILECKI WERE DESCRIBING, ALL THESE LARGE GROUPS, EVEN WITH MONEY, THEY ARE WORKING INDEPENDENTLY AND NOT TOGETHER. THE WAY WE SOLVE THAT PROBLEM IS BY BEING COMMUNITY HUBS FOR THESE RESOURCES.

THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SEE IN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES ENDED KNOCKOFF COMMUNITIES AS WELL. BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SAY, WHILE, LETS CONTINUE TO FIDO WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE.

LET'S FIND OUT-- LET'S MAKE SUGGESTIONS ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY KNOWN.

IN A SMALL COMMUNITY LIKE HUTTO, WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE SERVING ON MULTIPLE AND BOARDS AND VOLUNTEERING TIME, IT'S NOT

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ABOUT, WE DON'T KNOW THE PROBLEMS ARE, OR WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO HAVE THEM IMPLEMENTED. WHAT I SEE WITH MY COMMUNITY IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ACCESS THE FUNDS THAT MAYBE AVAILABLE. ACCESS THE TIMER CAPACITY TO A NEW EFFECTIVE FUND-RAISING. THAT'S NOT SUPER COMPETITIVE WITH OTHER GROUPS THAT ARE TRYING TO FUND RAISE.

FOR OUR COMMUNITY IT LEAVES US WITH SOMETHING WHERE WE ARE AWARE THAT WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER MORE.

BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING FOR SOMETHING. I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR ADDING WHAT HE $5000 TO FIND OUT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ALREADY DUE-- WE ALREADY DO AND ARE CAPABLE OF DOING.

MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WE GROW INTO A BIGGER COMMUNITY, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY BENEFIT-- NECESSARILY BENEFICIAL TO OUR CITY AND THE WAY WE HAVE IT TODAY.

THANK YOU. >> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST LINE? WHAT I GATHERED ONE WE WERE DOING OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING, THERE IS A PRETTY GOOD CONSENSUS THAT-- WHAT IS THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS STUFF? AND WHAT SHOULD GOVERNMENT BE DOING AND WHAT SHOULD WE ALLOW FOR THE PEOPLE TO DO? I SEE WHO IS SERVING RESIDENTS, HOW WELL, IT'S WORKING, WHERE ARE THE GAPS. BUT THAT'S A QUESTION WERE MISSING. WHAT IS OUR ROLE AS GOVERNMENT.

AND I THINK MOST OF US ARE SERVING IN SOME CAPACITY ON A NONPROFIT. I DON'T KNOW THAT IF YOU FIND THE HOLES, THE GAPS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB TO FILL THOSE. TO ME I FIND IT IT'S BETTER WITH SOMEONE WHO'S PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT THE THING IS.

JIM IS PASSIONATE ABOUT GROWING CAN EIGHT-- TOMATOES.

HE STARTS A SEED EXCHANGE AND HE'S IN TO PLANTING AND GARDENING. BUT IF WE FIND THAT GAP, I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOVERNMENTS JOB TO GO OKAY, WE WANT A GAP AND PEOPLE HAVE TO GUARD MORE. AND THEY HAVE TO-- WE WANT TO GARDEN MORE. AND PEOPLE HAVE AN URBAN GARDEN.

SOME CITIES DO THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT THAT THEY HAVE FUNDS TO DO THAT. AND OUR COMMUNITY-- IT ALWAYS FELT LIKE I'D RATHER PUT A SIDEWALK AND, I'D RATHER PUT A MILLION-DOLLAR SIGNAL IN. AND REALLY, FOR ME IT'S NOT YOUR JOB TO DO THAT. MENTAL HEALTH, FOOD PANTRY, BASIC THINGS,-- I THINK THAT IS THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB.

AND WHEN YOU GET OUTSIDE OF THAT-- WE DO HAVE THINGS THAT WE NEED. 25,000 SEEMS LIKE AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY. AND I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC.

BUT 501'S, I THINK THEY HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER.

AND THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE HAVEN'T HUTTO.

EVERYONE IS PASSIONATE. IF YOU NEED SCHOOL SUPPLIES, THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT CHARITIES FOR BACKPACK GIVEAWAYS.

AND THEY SAY THEY NEED IS MORE THAN WE HAVE.

WELL YOU GIVE THE SAME PERSON MULTIPLE BACKPACKS.

SO YOU WORK TOGETHER, AND ONE PERSON DID IT AND EVERYONE HELPED THE ONE PERSON DO IT, IT PROBABLY HELPS MORE PEOPLE, BUT THAT ONE PERSON GETS A CREDIT. AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T WANT THE NONPROFITS DO NOT HELP AS MUCH AS THEY WANT TO GET A BADGE OR AN AWARD AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

SO THEY HAVE FOUR PEOPLE DOING THAT, AND THEY NEED SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY, WHERE YOU'RE HANDLING FOOD PANTRY, MENTAL HEALTH, YOU'RE HANDLING THIS. I SEE GREAT VALUE IN THAT.

WE HAVE A LOT OF OVERLAPPING SERVICES.

A LOT OF PROGRAMS ON THE CITY SIDE, THAT TO ME PERSONALLY, IT'S LIKE WERE OVERLAPPING WITH OTHER THINGS.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU BROUGHT UP, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. I PERSONALLY DO NOT THINK THAT IS OUR JOB TO BE INVOLVED IN WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.

WE GIVE MONEY TO TEXAS STATE TECHNICAL COLLEGE FOR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. EVERY TAXPAYER IN HUTTO PAYS MONEY TO TEMPLE COLLEGE FOR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.

THE IST IS WORKFORCE DEVELOP END.

AND IF EVERYBODY IS WORKFORCE DEVELOP MUCH, THE CITY OUGHT TO GET OUT OF IT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT EDUCATORS.

BUT REALLY WHAT WE HAVE TASKED OUR EDC TO DO IN SOME ASPECTS, WHEN BUSINESS COMES, FOR THEM TO REACH OUT TO BUSINESS.

WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR. THAN OUR DIRECTOR THEN GOES TO TEMPLE COLLEGE, TS TC, TEXAS A&M, WHATEVER THE ARM IS THAT IS HERE. THE IST.

AND WE HAVE NOT PAID EMPLOYEES. SO WE GET TO THIS GAP ANALYSIS, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A WAY TO SPEND MONEY WITHOUT HAVING A SOLUTION, WHEN REALLY THE SOLUTION, USUALLY THE 48,000 PEOPLE IN HUTTO WILL IDENTIFY AND FILL.

AND MAYBE WE JUST NEED A COMMUNICATION WHERE THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE WORKING TOGETHER. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A WAY TO GET IT DOWN TO WHERE THERE IS SOME KIND OF SKILLS SCHOOL ON

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HOW WE GET OUR NONPROFITS IN HUTTO TO WORK TOGETHER.

AND ONE BE WILLING TO TAKE THE BACKSEAT AND HELP THE OTHER ONE, VERSUS ANYBODY TRYING TO BE THE LEADER.

OUTSIDE OF THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE READY FOR THE GAP.

THE COUNCIL MEMBERS SAID WE MIGHT HAVE FIX THE PROBLEM, AND DO WE WANT TO FIX THE PROBLEM. OR DO WE SAY WE FOUND THE GAP, WE LISTED IT, AND NOW WE NEED SOMEONE IN PUBLIC TO FILL IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT OUR JOB. FROM OUR DIRECTION THERE'S NOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO ASK BEFORE WE HIRE YOU TO DO IT.

I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO WASTE YOUR TIME ON US.

>> THE $25,000 IS NOT IMPEDING WITH THE SIGNAL.

THIS IS OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING. >> AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND THAT 1%. UP TO 1% GOES OUTSIDE AGENCY.

IF YOU DO NOT SPEND IT, YOU CAN GO FOR A SIDEWALK--

>> YOU CAN USE IT IN OTHER PLACES.

>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE CAN USE IT, WE CAN JUST ONLY USE UP TO 1%. SO IF WE DON'T SPEND IT--

>> MY MISTAKE. >> SOMEONE CORRECTED ME, WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND THE 1%. UP WE DON'T SPEND THAT REVENUE

MONEY. >> I AM NOT 100% ON THAT.

BUT THAT'S A POINT I WOULD CLARIFY BEFORE COUNCILMEMBER MORRIS. THIS IS NOT 25,000 WERE ASKING FOR IN ADDITION. IT WAS NOT OBLIGATED IN THAT 1%.

>> TO FINISH MY QUESTION HERE, I DON'T SEE THIS IS WORKFORCE DEVELOP END. THIS IS LIKE FINDING GAPS BETWEEN-- I THINK WE GOT STUCK ON WORKFORCE.

THAT'S NOT IT AT ALL. ALL OF THESE EXISTING NONP NONPROFITS, AND WE HAVE ALL THESE OTHER EXISTING GROUPS, THEY CAN BE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.

AND YOU BROUGHT UP THAT THERE PROBABLY IS REDUNDANCY.

FINDING THE REDUNDANCIES AND THE WASTED EFFORT THERE AND CONNECTING PEOPLE BACK THE GAP TO ME IS THAT THIS NONPROFIT BOARD-- WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, THE HUTTO RESOURCE CENTER, THE PETER SINGH GARDEN WHICH IS AN OFFSHOOT, TO KEEP HUTTO BEAUTIFUL, WE GROW GREENS AND WE GIVE TO THEM SOMETIMES TWICE A WEEK. SO WE CAN DO MORE, IF WE HAVE MORE VOLUNTEERS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT AND WE HEAR ABOUT THAT.

BUT I DON'T THINK THERE IS THIS COORDINATION OF EFFORT.

THAT IS WHERE I SEE THIS GAP ANALYSIS.

IT'S NOT SO MUCH A GAP FOR WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO SOLVE FOR US.

IT'S GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIX IT OURSELVES.

IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE MAJORITY OF IT IS. IT'S NOT BUILDING ONE NICHE.

IT'S FINDING WHAT NICHE ARE EITHER REDUNDANT, OR ONES THAT ARE OVER ADEQUATE AND UNDER ADEQUATE.

AND HELPING US. IT'S NOT JUST GIVING US A FISH, IT'S TEACHING US HOW TO FISH. AND YOU ARE GOING TO FIND US WAYS THAT WE CAN HELP OURSELVES. AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND IT?

>> YES. >> WITH THE NONPROFITS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING, WHAT ARE YOU NOT DOING, WHAT ARE YOU SEEING AS A COMMUNITY AND CULTURE AND PERSON.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. IN MY WORK, AND IN THE PAST FEW YEARS AND WORKING WITH NONPROFITS, FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS, AND OTHER OFFICIAL ORGANIZATION GROUPS THAT ARE STILL WORKING WITH AND FOR THE SERVICE OF THE COMMUNITY, I HAVE IDENTIFIED GAPS ON MY OWN THAT AREN'T OFFICIAL. JUST MY OBSERVATIONS.

A PART OF THE REASON OF LOOKING FOR A GAPS ANALYSIS IS TO HAVE THAT ACTUAL DATA. FOR EXAMPLE, WE DON'T HAVE FREE CLINICS HERE IN HUTTO. ALSO REPRESENT THE CITY OF HUTTO ON THE WILLIAMSONS COUNTY HEALTH DISTRICT.

SORE SIDE. I LEARNED A LOT.

NOT ONLY BUT WILLIAMSON COUNTY. BUT I'M THERE TO ADVOCATE FOR AND WITH HUTTO. THIS PAST YEAR, AS MY ROLE ON THE BOARD, I DID ADVOCATE TO RECEIVE, AND WE DID VOTE AS A BOARD, TO HAVE A MOBILE CLINIC THAT WILL START HOPEFULLY IN THE SPRING. AND IT'S PRIORITY IS HUTTO.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.

BUT TRANSPORTATION IS A HUGE GAP.

HOW DO PEOPLE GET TO THEIR APPOINTMENTS? SO PERHAPS HE DATA THAT MIGHT SHOW TRANSPORTATION AS BEING A GAP, MY HOPE FOR YOU ALL, IF YOU CONTINUE WITH OUTSIDE AGENCY

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FUNDING, THIS ORGANIZATION WILL HELP PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION FOR PEOPLE TO GET TO THEIR APPOINTMENTS, IT'S THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WILL HELP CONNECT GAPS.

AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH.

AND I'M KIND OF THAT POINT PERSON.

BUT WE ARE NOT PROVIDING THE SERVICE.

WE ARE IDENTIFYING THOSE WHO DO AND CONNECTING THEM TOGETHER.

THIS IS KIND OF THE FOUNDATION TO HELP GROW AS HUTTO CONTINUES TO GROW THAT PROGRAM, TO INCLUDE THE HIPPOS HELPING HIPPOS AS WELL. I HOPE THAT'S HELPFUL.

>> THAT'S REALLY GOOD. BUT IF WERE GOING TO SPEND $25,000 I WOULD RATHER SPEND IT ON A SOLUTION FOR SOMETHING WE KNOW WE NEED. LIKE THE FREE CLINIC IDEA OR THE MOBILE CLINIC. BECAUSE THIS IS HOW I LOOK AT IT. THE REASON ALL THESE WONDERFUL GROUPS EXIST, WE KNOW THE GAPS ARE THERE.

THERE ARE ALREADY PEOPLE THAT HAVE IDENTIFIED THEM AND ARE WORKING TOWARD SOLVING THE SOLUTIONS AS VOLUNTEERS.

AND IF WE HAVE MONEY TO SPEND, LET'S USE IT TO SOLVE WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE. LIKE MORE MOBILE CLINICS.

LIKE THROWING MONEY AT-- GIVING PEOPLE RIDES.

THINGS WE ALREADY KNOW WE HAVE. WE ARE SPINNING OUR WHEELS IN A LOT OF AREAS. I WOULD PREFER THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO SPEND THAT MONEY, THEN I WOULD USE IT FOR SOMETHING THAT IS A SOLUTION FOR A KNOWN PROBLEM THAT WE KNOW EXISTS IN THE CITY. FOOD INSECURITY WE KNOW EXISTS, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THESE THINGS THAT JIM IS TALKING ABOUT. TRANSPORTATION, IT'S GOOD FOR YOUR CITIZENS. ACCESS TO-- ACCESS THAT IS ALREADY AVAILABLE. THINGS LIKE HUTTO CONNECT.

THEY COULD GET CONNECTED TO VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES.

THAT SOMETHING THE CITY HAS DONE AND NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE UTILIZING IT OR ARE AWARE OF IT YET. MAYBE WE INCREASE AWARENESS AND HAVE A PUBLIC INFORMATION CAMPAIGN SO THEY KNOW IT'S THERE BECAUSE IT'S A SOLUTION FOR PEOPLE TO GET PLUGGED IN AND CONNECT WITH ONE ANOTHER AND HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S THERE. TO ME THAT'S A BETTER WAY AT THIS STAGE WHERE WE ARE IN THE CITY TO UTILIZE MONEY THAT WE AREN'T GOING TO SPEND ANY MORE THAN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE GAPS ARE. BECAUSE WE ARE NOT SOLVING THE ONES THAT WE ARE AWARE OF IN A WAY THAT WE COULD.

>> I AGREE I DON'T THINK $25,000-- TO PAY FOR TRANSPORTATION. BUT THAT $25,000 CAN HELP US LINK FOUR OR FIVE ORGANIZATIONS. THE ROTARY, THE LIONS CLUB.

WHATEVER THEY ARE TO GO IN AND SAY LISTEN, TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. AND GIVE US A TEMPLATE, BUT NOT FULFILL IT. I THINK I HEAR YOU SAYING IT'S $25,000 TO DO TRANSPORTATION WORK.

>> I'M SAYING IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY SPEND IT ON A SOLUTION. WHY WOULD WE NEED TO SPEND MONEY TO GET THESE GROUPS THAT ARE HERE TO WORK TOGETHER WHEN THEY COULD JUST WORK TOGETHER. THEY ARE DOING THE WORK.

A LOT OF THE MEMBERS OF THESE GROUPS ARE ON SEVERAL GROUPS AND COMMISSION SO THERE AWARE THAT THEY ARE HAPPENING.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE MONEY SPEND IS.

I'M GETTING THEM TO WORK TOGETHER.

>> WHAT'S A GAP THAT EXISTS IN COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW?

>> ON TRANSPORTATION. >> SO YOU WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON WORKING ON SOLVING THE PROBLEM BEFORE YOU IDENTIFY MORE

BECAUSE-- >> WERE GOING TO SPEND MONEY ON

TRANSPORTATION-- >> THIS IS MORE ABOUT THIS POINT, NOT ABOUT TRANSPORTATION. I AM READING OFF PAGE 14 OF OUR PACKET. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE $25,000 WOULD BE USED FOR. IT SAYS HOURS ARE BILLED AT $400 PER HOUR. $200 PER HOUR PRO CONSULTED.

EACH CONSULTANT GETS PAID $200 PER HOUR.

PROJECT LAUNCH AND DATA INFORMATION, THAT WILL TAKE ABOUT FIVE HOURS. TO PREPARE THE REPORT.

COMMUNITY ECOSYSTEM MAP, $8500. THAT'S 20 HOURS.

PLUS ANOTHER REPORT. SOCIAL SECTOR INTERVIEWS, $2000.

THAT'S A HALF-HOUR INTERVIEW. SO I GUESS I WOULD BE $100 PER PERSON. OR $200.

COMMUNITY FOCUS GROUP. $2000 GROUP GAP.

AND OPPORTUNITY ANALYSIS. WE WILL BE CHARGED ANOTHER THOUSAND DOLLARS TO REPORT TO THE CITY-- IS THAT CORRECT HOW THAT WILL BE USED? I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO SEE.

THAT'S PRETTY DEEP. >> THE WAY I'M SEEING THIS, WE ALREADY HAVE A COMMISSION SET IN PLACE, COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMISSION. WE HAD A WORKSHOP WITH THEM

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SEVERAL MONTHS BACK. THAT'S BASICALLY DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING HERE FOR $25,000.

I PERSONALLY DO NOT SEE THE NEED TO SPEND THE MONEY WHEN WE HAVE A COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMISSION THAT IS DOING EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING THIS WHOLE TIME.

THAT'S THE GOAL. TO BRING THESE DIFFERENT GROUPS TOGETHER. SO FOR ME PERSONALLY, I'M NOT IN

SUPPORT OF THIS. >> YOU ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY WHEN IT COMES TO THE SPENDING DOLLAR.

>> NOT A KNOCK ON YOU GUYS. I KNOW YOU GUYS DO GOOD.

BASED ON YOUR RESUME. YOU DO GOOD QUALITY WORK.

MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING.

I MAY NO ON SPENDING MONEY. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST NOT TOUCH THE 25. MY MOTION IS TO NOT SPEND

$25,000. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

STILL DON'T KNOW HOW TO SPELL IT.

ANY DISCUSSION? I CONCUR WITH MAYOR PRO TEM.

YOU DO A LOT OF GREAT WORK. WE MAY NOT BE A BIG ENOUGH CITY YET TO HAVE THE NEED FOR THAT QUITE YET.

IF WE KEEP GOING THE WAY WE ARE, WE MAY NEED IT.

ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

[9.1. Conduct a public hearing and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2026-062 approving the levy of special assessments for, and apportioning the costs of, certain improvements to property in and for the Limmer Square Public Improvement District Area #1; fixing a charge and lien against all properties within the district, and the owners thereof; providing for the manner and method of collection of such assessments; making a finding of special benefit to property in the district and the real and true owners thereof; approving a service and assessment plan; providing a severability clause; and providing an effective date. (Alberta Barrett)]

THANK YOU. NEXT UP, ITEM 9.1.

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE 0-2026-062, APPROVING THE LEVY OF SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS FOR AND APPROVING THE COSTS OF CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY IN AND FOR THE LIMMER LOOP PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AREA NUMBED LEAN AGAINST ALL PROPERTIES WITHIN THE DISTRICT AND ALL THE OWNERS THEREOF, PROVIDING FOR THE MANNER AND METHOD OF COLLECTION OF SUCH ASSESSMENTS, MAKING A FINDING OF SPECIAL BENEFIT TO PROPERTY IN THE DISTRICT AND THE REAL AND TRUE OWNERS THEREOF. APPROVING A SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN. PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE IN PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. I HAVE A NOTE THAT WE ARE JUST GOING TO OPEN AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND THIS WILL COME BACK AT A FUTURE MEETING.

SO I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:08 P.M.

AND ASK ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC-- AND BY DOING IT WRONG?

>> NO. YOU'RE NOT DOING IT WRONG.

I WOULD NEVER TELL YOU YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.

[LAUGHTER] >> THAT IS MY JOB, MAYOR.

>> BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO RICK ROSENBERG TO

PROVIDE COUNCIL AND UPDATE. >> I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:08 P.M. AND IF ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISHES TO COME UP AND SPEAK, COME ON UP.

AS USUAL, WE HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WISHING TO SPEAK.

WE WILL CLOSE IT AT 9:09 P.M. RICK?

HOW ARE YOU DOING. >> GOOD EVENING.

RICK ROSENBERG WITH DEEP EFG. WE ARE FINANCIAL CONSULTANTS TO THE DEVELOPER. WE APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN DOING ON THIS PROJECT.

OUR CLIENT IS IN THE PROCESS OF FINALIZING AND NEGOTIATING AND WORKING TOWARDS A CONSTRUCTION LOANED TO ASSIST IN THE FINANCING OF THE PROJECT. AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT IN PLACE BEFORE THEY GO FORWARD WITH IT.

THEY HAVE ALL THE FUNDING IN PLACE.

AND IT WILL HOPEFULLY PROVIDE FOR A BETTER EXECUTION ON THE BOND DECIDE TO HAVE THAT CONSTRUCTION FINANCING IN PLACE.

SO WERE LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THAT DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND GETTING BACK IN FRONT OF YOU.

>> LOOKING FORWARD TO THE PROJECT.

IT WILL GENERATE A LOT OF SALES TAXES ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN.

IT'S EXCITING TO SEE ANOTHER PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.

>> WE REQUEST THAT YOU DO FOR THIS AT THIS TIME.

[9.2. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2026-063 authorizing the issuance of the "City of Hutto, Texas Special Assessment Revenue Bonds, Series 2026 (Limmer Square Public Improvement District Area #1); approving and authorizing an indenture of trust, a bond purchase agreement, an offering memorandum, a continuing disclosure agreement, a landowner agreement, a reimbursement agreement and other agreements and documents in connection therewith; making findings with respect to the issuance of such bonds; and providing an effective date. (Alberta Barrett)]

THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM 9.2. CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 0-2026-063 AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF THE CITY OF HUTTO TEXAS SPECIAL ASSESSMENT REVENUE BOND SERIES 2026 LIMMER LOOP PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AREA NUMBED

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AUTHORIZING AN INDENTURE OF TRUST, A BOND PURCHASE AGREEMENT AND OFFERING MEMORANDUM, EIGHT CONTINUING DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT, A LANDOWNER AGREEMENT, A REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT AND OTHER AGREEMENTS AND DOCUMENTS WITH CONNECTION THERE WITHIN, MAKE FINDINGS WITH RESPECT TO THE ISSUANCE OF BONDS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. AND I'M TOLD THEY ARE ASKING FOR NO ACTION AND THIS WILL COME BACK AT A FUTURE MEETING.

>> CORRECT. >> OKAY.

[9.3. Conduct a public hearing and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2026-064 approving a Revised Planned Unit Development (PUD) for the property known as 411,421,431, and 441 Ed Schmidt Boulevard, being Lots 2, 3, and 4A in the Emory Farms Commercial Subdivision, 4.30 acres, more or less, of land, locate west of Ed Schmidt Boulevard and south of Emory Farms Avenue (#ZON-24-0014). (Howard Koontz)]

TWO FOR TWO. NEXT, 9.3.

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 0-2026-064, APPROVING A REVISED PLANNED UNIT DEVEL DEVELOPMENT, PUD, FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS 411, 421, 431, AND 441, AT SCHMIDT BOULEVARD, BEING LOTS OF TWO, THREE AND FOUR A OF THE EMORY FARMS COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION, 4.3 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED WEST OF EDGE MITT BOULEVARD AND SOUTH OF EMORY FARMS AVENUE.

CAISSIE WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE OR AFTER THE PRESENTATION? -- CAISSIE? DON'T LET ME FORGET. I WILL GET TO TALKING AND I WILL MOVE ON AND FORGET. IF I FORGET, YOU LET ME.

>> HELLO, MR. MAYOR. MY NAME IS HOWARD JONES.

I AM THE DEVELOP AN SERVICES DIRECTOR FOR THE RECORD.

WE HAVE YET ANOTHER ITERATION OF THE PUD AT SCHMIDT.

THIS IS THE SITE LOCATION. FOUR MAKERS.

NOT HALF A MILE NORTH OF EDGE MITT AND 79 ON THE WEST SIDE OF 79. HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN GREEN.

TO THE EAST ACROSS EDGE MITT IS THE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH.

THERE'S COMMERCIAL RETAIL TO THE NORTH, THE SOUTH AND THE SOUTHEAST. AND IT'S UNDEVELOPED TO THE NORTHEAST ACROSS THE STREET. TO THE WEST SIDE IS EMORY FARMS, ASH COVE, YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE ROAD TO THE WEST.

AS I SAID, THIS IS ABOUT 4 ACRES.

THE DEVELOP IN IS NOT 4 ACRES. AND IT'S JUST LOTS TWO AND THREE. LOTS FOUR AND FIVE WERE COMBINED ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AND-- OR TWO YEARS AGO.

THAT'S THE CURRENT SITE OF THE TOWNEPLACE SUITES.

THIS IS AN AMENDMENT FOR AN ADDITIONAL HOTEL THAT IS BEING BUILT NEXT TO IT. IT'S CALLED HOME TWO SUITES.

IT'S ON LOTS TWO IN THREE. IT'S NOT ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH. BUT MORE ON THE NORTH AREA.

HERE IS THE HISTORY. THIS PUD WAS PUT TOGETHER IN 2020. NO ACTION FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS UNTIL LOTS FOUR AND FIVE WERE COMBINED IN 2023.

THEY REVISE THEIR PUD TO CREATE AN ALLOWABLE USE FOR HOTEL.

AND AT THAT TIME THEY ASKED FOR AN INCREASE IN HEIGHT AND SOME OTHER SITE CHANGES TO FACILITATE THE IDEA.

HOTEL BEING LOCATED THERE. I TALKED ABOUT THE USES.

SO ON THE RIGHT ARE THE CHANGES THEY PROPOSED.

THE MOST MAJOR CHANGE THEY ARE PROPOSING FOR LOTS TWO AND THREE-- FOR THIS NEW HOTEL SITE, THERE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL HEIGHT. THERE WILL BE A FOURTH STORY DETAILED IN THE STAFF REPORT. WE ALSO TALKED A BIT ABOUT THE BUFFER ON THE WEST SIDE. THEY WANT TO DO REDUCED BUFFERS FROM WHAT HAD BEEN PUT IN PREVIOUSLY.

25 FEET WAS THE REQUIREMENT ON LOTS FOUR AND FIVE TO THE SOUTH.

THIS ONE TO THE NORTH, THEY WANTED TO BE KNOCKED DOWN TO 15 FEET. HERE ARE THE ELEVATIONS, AS PROPOSED. AND I WILL SAY THAT THE IMPORTANT ONE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, WHEN WE GO TO THE SITE PLAN, YOU CAN SEE THE CANOPY IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO IF YOU SEE THAT CANOPY ON THE NORTH SIDE, THE PICTURE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT IS THE ELEVATION THAT WILL FACE THE RESIDENTS OF EMORY FARMS ON THE WEST SIDE.

THAT'S WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE. THERE ARE THREE WINDOWS.

ESSENTIALLY AT THE END OF THE CORRIDOR.

THERE WILL BE GUEST ROOMS AND STAIRWELL ON THE OTHER SIDE.

>> IT SET UP LIKE THE CURRENT ONE?

>> YES. THEY ARE THE SAME FROM WHAT I CAN TELL. THE USE IS ON THE GROUND FLOOR HERE. THEY ARE NOT SHOWING WINDOWS HERE. THESE ARE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS FOR CONCEPT ONLY. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD CHOOSE TO PUNCH ADDITIONAL WINDOWS IF THEY PUT ADDITIONAL USES ON THE GROUND. RIGHT NOW THIS IS WHAT THEY SUBMITTED, AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE WORKING WITH.

ON THE RIGHT HERE, YOU SEE NORTH AND WEST.

NORTH IS UP HERE. SO THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE HOTEL IS ON THE NORTH SIDE. YOU CAN SEE THAT LITTLE CUT OUT

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FOR CARS TO COME IN ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A SWIMMING POOL.

SOME OUTDOOR RECREATION ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING. THE BULK OF THE PARKING IS NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE BUILDING. THEY HAVE NOT MADE THE AVAILABILITY FOR PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE AT ALL.

INSTEAD THEY REDUCE THAT BUFFER FROM 25 TO 15 FEET.

AND MOVED THERE EXCESS THAT RUNS FROM THE SITE TO THE NORTH THROUGH THIS ONE TO THE SOUTH. THAT IS A THRUWAY THERE ON THE WEST SIDE. SOME ADDITIONAL CHANGES THAT THEY PUT IN THEIR CONSISTED OF SOME MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE TEXT OF THE PUD FOR THERE DEVELOP AND STANDARDS WHICH ALLOWED FOR THE LOADING AREA. THEY REMOVE SOME LICENSE AGREEMENTS THAT WERE HELD UP LAST TIME AS FAR AS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY INTERCHANGE BETWEEN THE PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THE PUBLIC STREET. AND THEY REMOVED A REQUIREMENT FOR INTERNAL STREET LANDSCAPING BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY INTERNAL STREETS. IT'S ALL PRIVATE AND DRIVEWAYS.

THEY DON'T WANT TO BE HELD UP WITH THE IDEA OF TRUMP-- HAVING TO PUT TREES ALONG SOME OF THOSE DRIVEWAYS.

WE SENT OUT THE NOTIFICATIONS TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND RECEIVED TWO LETTERS IN OPPOSITION, ONE LETTER IN FAVOR AND ONE LETTER IN FAVOR FROM SOMEBODY THAT WAS NOT WITHIN THE BOUNDARY, BUT

FELT COMPELLED TO WRITE IN. >> THE BULK OF THE IMPORTANT INFORMATION IS OBTAINED-- IS IN THE STAFF REPORT.

I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS HAD AT THE PNC MEETING. AND I DON'T WANT TO COMPLETE THE PERFORMANCE OF THE PREVIOUS HOTEL WITH THE REQUEST THAT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE YOUR JUDGEMENT CLOUDED IN ANY WAY. BUT THERE WAS DISCUSSION.

I'VE READ THE MINUTES AND I'VE WATCHED THE VIDEOS.

THERE WAS DISCUSSION ON INTRUSION AND PRIVACY ISSUES IN THE BUFFERS BETWEEN DISSIMILAR DISTRICTS FOR THE PRIOR HOTEL.

QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION FROM THIS GROUP.

BUT AT THE TIME THAT THE MOTION WAS MADE, NONE OF THAT DISCUSSION WAS SPECIFICALLY INCORPORATED IN TO THE MOTION.

>> THE PNC THAT WE HAD? OR THE FIRST HOTEL?

>> THE FIRST HOTEL THAT WAS DEVELOPED FROM PNC.

WE HAVE FOUND SOME DEFICIENCIES IN THEIR SITE PLAN THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. I'M WORKING WITH CODE COMPLIANCE ON THAT NOW. PRIMARILY THAT IS RELATED TO THE STYLE OF LIGHTING THAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR PARKING AREA.

ON THE WEST SIDE. AND THE BUFFER YARD.

THEIR BUFFY YARD, SPECIFICALLY A WALL THAT WAS EXPECTED TO BE CONSTRUCTED, WAS NOT CONSTRUCTED AT THE TIME THAT THE HOTEL WAS PUT IN THERE. AND THE SELECTION OF THEIR LANDSCAPING REALLY LEAVES A LOT TO BE DESIRED.

IT IS MOSTLY UNDERSIZED AND DECIDUOUS.

EVEN WHEN IT DOES LEAVE OUT FROM MARCH TO OCTOBER, IT'S NOT REALLY DOING TOO MUCH BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ON THE EAST, WHICH IS

HIGHER. >> WEST DECIDUOUS?

>> IT MEANS IT DROPPED IT'S LEAVES IN THE WINTER.

OAK TREES AND MAPLES. >> NOT LIKE A LIVE OAK?

>> LIVE OAK HAS A BIT OF BOTH. BUT THEY DROP LEAVES IN MARCH.

JUST DEPENDING ON HOW FAR NORTH THEY ARE.

THEY DISPLAY PROPERTIES OF EVERGREENS AND DECIDUOUS.

>> WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS SOMETHING THAT IS PURE EVERGREEN. THINGS LIKE CYPRESS.

HOLLIES. I WON'T BORE YOU WITH A LIST OF TREES. BUT THERE ARE BETTER CHOICES THAT CAN BE MADE. AND THE REASON I SAID THAT IS THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION AT PNC RELATED TO THIS APPLICATION. LEARNING FROM WHAT WE LEARNED IN THE PAST. A COUPLE OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE PROPOSED IN THIS PUD NEED TO BE CALLED OUT AND DISCUSSED.

AND AS A FUNCTION OF THAT DISCUSSION, IF IT IS YOUR PLEASURE TO MAKE A MOTION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, I'D LIKE IT TO BE SPECIFIC WITH CONDITIONS. ALL TALK ABOUT THAT AS I GO THROUGH THIS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE THIRD PAGE IN THE STAFF REPORT, WE WENT THROUGH THE CHANGES THAT WERE PROPOSED AND SUMMARIZED. THERE IS A REDLINED VERSION OF THE PUD IN YOUR PACKET. THE THIRD EXHIBIT BACK.

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IN SUMMARY, THE FIRST THING THEY ASKED FOR IS THE CHANGE IN HEIGHT. STAFF HAS NO PROBLEM WITH THE HEIGHT. IF YOU ADD THE ADDITIONAL FOUR.

THEIR HEIGHT WOULD GO FROM 47.5 FEET AND THE ORIGINAL PUD, EXTENDED TO 62.17 FEET. TO THE TOP OF THE PARAPET HEIGHT. THAT'S NOT ALL-- SOME OF THAT ABOUT THE PLATE HEIGHT IS GOING TO BE SCREENING FOR UTILITIES.

>> IF YOU SUBTRACTED THE PARAPETS, WHAT'S THE OVERALL HIGH? TWO OR 3 FEET, FOUR OR 5 FEET?

>> LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND THAT.

I CAN'T READ THAT OFFSCREEN. >> I WAS ON THE PNC WHEN WE DID

THE FIRST ONE. >> IN GENERAL, WE ARE LOOKING AT ABOUT 12 FEET. SO THAT WILL JUST PUT YOU AROUND 48-50. DEPENDING ON THE SPACE.

>> I WOULD EXPECT PROBABLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 6 FEET OR MORE FOR THE SAKE OF THOSE CONDENSING UNITS.

LET ME GET BACK. THE STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THESE CONDITIONS. ONE THAT THE BUILDING HEIGHT BE ALLOWABLE AS PRESENTED AND THAT THE SITE PLANS BE RELIED UPON IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR APPROVAL.

WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD LOOKS SUBSTANTIALLY LIKE WHAT THEY HAVE IN THESE DRAWINGS. THE THIRD ONE IS THAT WE RETAIN THE REQUIRED BUFFER YARD BETWEEN DISTRICTS.

THE WAY IT IS SPELLED OUT HAS BEEN REFERRED TO AS A HIGH LEVEL BUFFER YARD. AN 8-FOOT TALL MASONRY WALL AND A 25-FOOT WIDE BUFFER THAT NEEDS TO BE LANDSCAPED.

WE ARE NOT WILLING TO ACQUIESCE TO THE IDEA OF A SMALLER BUFFER WITH LESS INFRASTRUCTURE PUT IN IT.

>> I HATE TO INTERRUPT, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RETAINING THE BUFFER AND THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS WITH THE HIGHER WALL STRATEGIES. SO ARE WE ABLE TO IT REINFORCE THAT FIRST HOTEL? THAT FIRST WHEN YOU DESCRIBE?

>> THE WALL THAT WOULD BE INSTALLED.

THE WITH WAS ALREADY THERE. THE LANDSCAPING IS MADE AT BEST.

BUT THE WALL IS NOT PRESENT AND THAT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR THEM.

WORKING WITH CODE COMPLIANCE RIGHT NOW TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THEM, BECAUSE THE TERMS OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE IS LAW IN PERPETUITY. IT HAS TO BE THERE AT ALL TIMES AT ANY TIME FOR INSPECTION. SO IT IS INCUMBENT UPON THEM TO INSTALL IT. SO THEY WILL PUT THAT IN.

>> AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPING, THAT'S ENFORCEABLE AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THEY REPLACE THAT WITH THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO DO THE INTENDED PURPOSE, WHICH IS TO BE A TRUE BUFFER?

>> AT THIS POINT MOVING FORWARD, FROM WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING, YES. RETROACTIVELY FOR WHAT'S IN THE

GROUND. >> FOR THIS ONE, YOU ARE SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN THE STANDARDS FOR THIS ONE?

>> THEY ARE IN THE MOTION THIS EVENING.

>> THANK YOU. GO ON.

SORRY. >> YOU CAN STOP ME ANYTIME.

I DON'T WANT TO TALK PAST ANYONE.

OUTDOOR LIGHTING IS A BIG DEAL. THE CUT OFF FIXTURES NEED TO BE THAT. CUT OF FIXTURES.

AND ALL OUTDOOR LIGHTING IS POINTED BACK TOWARDS THE PLACES THAT NEED TO BE LIT, SO THERE IS NO SPILLOVER AT ALL.

WE HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT SHOW THAT THAT IS A PROBLEM BETWEEN OUR DISTRICTS. THERE HAS TO BE SOME CONSIDERATION THAT IS MADE BETWEEN THE IDEA OF SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS ONE OF THE LEAST INTENSE ZONING DISTRICTS, TO WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY OUR HIGHEST COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME THERE CAN BE PROVISIONS ARE MADE EFFECTIVELY.

SO THE CUT UP FIXTURES ARE IMPORTANT.

AND THE WINDOWS THAT FACE TO THE WEST, ANY WINDOWS THAT ARE PLACED IN THIS BUILDING, REPRESENTED ON CURRENT SITE PLANS HERE WERE ELEVATIONS THAT ARE HERE, IF THERE NOT, AND THERE PUT IN AFTER THE FACT, THEY NEED TO BE OPAQUE WINDOWS.

AND IS NOT JUST THE FUNCTION OF REDUCING LIGHT POLLUTION.

BECAUSE ARE NOT PARTICULARLY GOOD AT THAT.

IT'S A PRIVACY ISSUE FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE AND UTILIZE THEIR BACKYARDS. THOSE FIVE CONDITIONS WERE WHAT WENT FORWARD WITH PLANNING AND ZONING FOR THIS ISSUE.

THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO THIS BOARD IS FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. THE FIRST SET OF CONDITIONS WERE STAFF CONDITIONS. WE LOOKED IT UP AND SAID YES.

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THEY ALSO TACKED ON THREE MORE. AND I'M GOING TO READ THOSE IN TO THE RECORD AS WELL. THEY WANTED THE BUFFER YARD TO INCLUDE EVERGREEN TYPE TREES THAT MAINTAIN ADEQUATE LEAVE COVERAGE PROVIDING A NATURAL BUFFER FOR ADJACENT LAND USES.

NOT A LOT TO ASK FOR. SO WHEN THERE SCHEDULED SITE PLAN COMES IN, THAT WILL BE REVIEWED TO MAKE SURE THERE NOT PUTTING IN CRIPES OR SMALLER ORNAMENTAL DECIDUOUS THINGS THAT DON'T PROVIDE THE PURPOSE OF THE LANDSCAPING AND THE BUFFER.

TAPE REITERATED THAT THE OUTDOOR LIGHTING SHOULD BE SHIELDED WITH CUT OFF FIXTURES AND THEY SUBMITTED THE PHOTOMETRIC PLAN

SHOWING ZERO SPILLOVER. >> HOW CAN YOU ACHIEVE ZERO

LUMENS? >> YOU CAN.

I'VE BEEN THERE, DONE THAT. >> IN A CAVE?

>> I DON'T WANT TO PUT SOMETHING UNREASONABLE.

IF IT'S LESS THAN ONE OR TEN. >> THE LUMENS DON'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AMBIENT LIGHT. IT WON'T MEASURE MOONLIGHT.

IT WILL NOT MEASURE THE MILKY WAY GALAXY.

IT WILL BE ADMINISTERING THE LIGHT THAT WAS CREATED FROM THE

ARTIFICIAL SOURCES. >> SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE A MEASUREMENT BEFORE THE LIGHT IS ON AND MEASURE AFTER.

>> THAT'S WHAT THE PHOTOMETRIC PLAN IS SUPPOSED TO DO.

THERE ARE TWO SETS OF STANDARDS, ONE THAT SHOWS PREDEVELOP AND CONDITION AND THAT SHOWS EXPECTED POSTBELLUM AND CONDITION, UTILIZING THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY

INSTALLED. >> AND THEY DON'T DO MEETINGS, THEY JUST GOT THE SPECS ON THE LIGHT.

>> ANYONE THEY CREATE SOMETHING UNREASONABLE--

>> IF YOU GOT TO LAKEWAY, THEY HAVE A STRINGENT LIGHTING ORDINANCE OUT THERE FOR DARK SKY.

YOU GO OUT THERE, AND YORK CANOPY STATION MAY HAVE A MEASUREMENT OF 20. AND YOU DROP YOUR KEYS AND YOU CAN'T FIND THEM IN THE GRASS AND THOSE WERE THE CONDITIONS, AND THE OTHER CHANGES PROPOSED BY THE ACT.

THAT WERE ADOPTED. AND THEY WERE JUST DELINEATED.

IT'S A SUMMARY OF WHAT WAS IN THERE.

THEY DELINEATED SOME TAX RELATED TO MITER MOTT-- MINOR MODIFICATIONS. EVERY CHANGE BILLED TO THE PUD WOULD BE A MAJOR CHANGE TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD.

LOADING AREA, SCREENING-- >> WE WANT TO GIVE YOU THE POWER FOR MINE INCHED-- MINOR CHANGE, RIGHT?

>> ONCE IT'S BUILT, I WOULD PROPOSE IT TO COME BACK TO YOU'S-- THIS WOULD BE THE PUD AFTER CONSTRUCTED.

BUT WILL STILL EXIST ONCE THE SITE IS BUILT AND OPERATIONAL.

FROM THAT POINT FORWARD-- THINK OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO

HAPPEN? >> YOU BUILD IT AND WE SAY IT SUCKS, OR WE LOVE IT. WHATEVER IT IS.

BUT TWO YEARS LATER-- >> THEY WILL COME BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS IF THEY WANT TO MAKE MEANINGFUL CHANGES, WHICH AT THAT POINT WOULD BE REDEVELOPMENT, INSTEAD OF DEVELOPMENT. THESE CHANGES WERE NOT NEARLY AS NOTEWORTHY AS-- QUITE FRANKLY THIS IS AN ISSUE OF MAKING SURE DEVELOPMENT DOVETAILS WITH EXISTING LAND USES ADJACENT TO THE WEST AND MAKING ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THAT.

I SPOKE ABOUT BEING SPECIFIC. IF IT WERE YOUR EXPERT-- EXPECTATIONS FOR THIS EVENING. WOULD YOU DO SO COMMISERATE WITH THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT, OR YOU CAN LINE ITEM CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT IF YOU WANT SOMEWHERE DON'T WANT OTHERS. BUT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING IT INTO THE RECORD, THAT WOULD BE MONUMENTAL TO WHAT WERE ABLE

TO DO A STAFF GOING FORWARD. >> I DIDN'T GET THE LAST ONE YOU. YOU WROTE DOWN THE BUFFER TO THE EVERGREENS AND THE PHOTOMETRIC READINGS?

>> IT'S NUMBER 8. PAGE 4 OF THE STAFF REPORT.

AND IT'S THE BULLETED ITEMS THERE THAT ARE ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE RED LINES OF THE PUD. HITS THE PNC ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THEY READ IT AND THEY SAW THE CHANGES AND THEY ARE OKAY WITH IT. IT'S RESTATING THE CHANGES THAT ARE IN THE PUD DOCUMENT THAT IS EXHIBITED LATER ON IN THE PACKET. THIS ITEM ALONE WAS 119 PAGES.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE BUFFER.

WE ARE EXTENDING THE HEIGHT A SICKLY 15 FEET.

WE HAVE THE BUFFER YARD, THE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THREE WAS A 25-FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

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DON'T WE NEED TO ADD ANOTHER 15 FEET?

>> NO. THERE ASKED IN THE PUD DOCUMENT IS TO GO FROM 25 DOWN TO 15. WE CHOOSE TO REJECT THAT IDEA.

WE WANT THE BUFFER TO STAY AT 2. >> IF YOU INCREASE THE HEIGHT BY 15 FEET, WE HAVE TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL 1 FOOT SETBACK FOR

EVERYONE FOOT HEIGHT INCREASE. >> THAT WOULD BE INCUMBENT UPON THEM FOR PUTTING THEIR STRUCTURE ON LOCK.

>> WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT YOU HAVE THE PERSON IN THEIR BACKYARD. YOU HAVE THE EIGHT-FOOT WALL, YOU HAVE A 25-FOOT BUFFER YARD. AND YOU HAVE THE REGULAR HEIGHT BUILDING. NOW THE BUILDING IS GOING UP IN HEIGHT. SO HE IS SAYING THAT THIS 25-FOOT BUFFER YARD NEEDS TO GET BIGGER TO MOVE THAT HEIGHT FURTHER AWAY SO THE ANGLE IS STILL THE SAME.

THAT'S WHAT HE IS ASKING. >> IF THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S NOT OUR EXPECTATION. A 25-FOOT BUFFER THAT'S SUFFICIENTLY LANDSCAPED AND HAS THE WALL IN IT WILL BE

ACCEPTED-- EXCEPTIONAL. >> SO INCREASINGLY BUILDING HEIGHT ON LOTS TWO IN THREE TO THE ROOFLINE AND GOING FROM 35 FEET TO 47 FEET, AND THE ROOFLINE IS GOING TO 67 FEET.

SO IT SAYS IN PARENTHESES THEY ACQUIRED AN ADDITIONAL 1 FOOT SETBACK FOR A 1 FOOT HEIGHT INCREASE, THEY REAR YARD REMAINS IN EFFECT. SO IF WE ARE RAISING THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOFLINE AND THE-- IN THE REAR YARD, DON'T WE NEED TO ADD ANOTHER 1 FOOT HEIGHT. A 1 FOOT SETBACK?

>> BUILDING SETBACK AND BUFFER YARD ARE NOT THE SAME THING.

IT'S JUST A LANDSCAPED AREA THAT IS NOT TO BE USED FOR DEVELOPMENT. THE BUILDING ENVELOPE AND THE DASHED LINE ALONG THE PLATTE IS WHERE THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALLOWED TO EXIST. BUT THOSE IDEAS ARE OVERLAID ON

TOP. >> MY MISTAKE.

>> YOU TALKED A BIT ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF RIGHT OF WAY WORK LICENSES AND AGREEMENTS. AND FOR A MASTER ASSOCIATION,

WHAT IS THAT? >> IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY WOULD BE RELATED TO THE IDEA THAT A STREET WOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT THROUGH THIS PROJECT NORTH AND SOUTH. THAT IS NO LONGER THE CASE.

IT'S GOING TO BE A PRIVATE ACCESS EASEMENT.

IT WILL NOT BE RIGHT OF WAY, TO THE IDEA FOR THE REQUIREMENT FOR STREET TREES IN THE SIGHT. THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT IF IT WAS OUR STREET, IF IT WAS RIGHT-OF-WAY.

BUT NOW THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT WAY THEY HAVE ASKED TO REMOVE THAT REQUIREMENT. BECAUSE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS INSIDE THE SITE. THERE IS STILL THE CONNECTION BUT IT'S JUST NOT PUBLICLY THERE THE LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR A-- IS FOR A MASTER COMMUNITY AGREEMENT SO THEY CAN SEPARATE IT UP AND

SELL IT OFF. >> THAT'S IF YOU HAVE THE INTERCONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE LOTS AND YOU DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT ON HOW TO PAY FOR MAINTENANCE.

YOU CAN SEE THIS ONE SHARES A DRIVEWAY ON TO ED SCHMIDT WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF IT. IF THIS PROPERTY IS OWNED BY DIFFERENT OWNER AND THEY CHOOSE TO NOT IMPROVE OR TAKE CARE OF OR MAINTAIN THE DRIVEWAY, THAT IMPACTS THE PROPERTY ON THE NORTH. AN AGREEMENT FOR A-- WHAT DO

THEY CALL IT? >> A MASTER COMMUNITY

ASSOCIATION. >> THAT AGREES THAT ALL THESE COMMON AREAS ARE PAID INTO FOR MAINTENANCE BY ALL THE PROPERTIES, AND THAT GIVES THAT ENTITY THE ABILITY TO MAINTAIN

IT. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANYBODY ELSE? >> I HAD ONE LAST QUESTION.

THERE WERE TWO P AND Z BOARD MEMBERS THAT VOTED AGAINST THIS.

WAS THAT BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL ITEMS, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT WERE NOT INCORPORATED? I USUALLY ASK FOR THE INFO

BEFORE THIS. >> I DID NOT MAKE A NOTE.

IT'S IN MY NOTES IN THE MINUTES BUT I DID NOT BRING IT WITH ME.

>> IT'S WRITTEN IN HERE WHO IT IS, I DIDN'T WANT TO BRING UP THEIR NAME. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY.

IT'S ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN, THEY WERE IN THE MOTION, TWO DISSENTING. AND THEN THERE WAS-- EXCUSE ME, ONE THROUGH FIVE. 67 AND EIGHT WERE ADDED AFTER THIS MOTION WAS APPROVED IN THE PNC MEETING.

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>> IS THAT TRUE, SIX, SEVEN AND EIGHT HAPPENED.

WAS THIS THE DISCUSSION THAT IT HAPPENED AT THE MOTION, OR PART

OF THE P AND Z MOTION? >> I THINK THAT IS WORDED A LITTLE AWKWARD. BUT I THINK THAT SIX, SEVEN AND EIGHT WERE ADDED TO THE STAFF CONDITIONED AT THE TIME THEY MADE THE MOTION. SO THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE OF THE OTHER HOTEL, AND THEY SAID LET'S NOT MAKE THOSE MISTAKES AGAIN.

SO WHAT WAS WRONG? WHY IS IT WRONG? WE HEARD FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT CAME IN AND SAID THAT THEY WERE AGGRIEVED BY IT AND HARMED BY WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE EXISTING HOTEL. SO AFTER THE DISCUSSION, THEY ADDED MORE CONDITIONS. IN ADDITION TO ONE THROUGH FIVE, WHICH STAFF INCLUDED IN THE REPORT BEFORE THE MEETING.

WHEN THE STAFF REPORT ARRIVED AT PNC THEY HAD CONDITIONS ONE THROUGH FIVE. AFTER DISCUSSION THEY ADDED SIX AND SEVEN AND EIGHT. AND I THINK EIGHT WAS HONESTLY BECAUSE OF THE TALK THAT WE HAD ABOUT-- SOMETHING'S WERE TALKED ABOUT HOW IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DEAL WITH AFTER THE FACT.

SO WE SAID LET'S BE AS SPECIFIC AS POSSIBLE.

EIGHT IS ALREADY ENUMERATED IN THE TEXT, BUT THERE IS NO HARMON PUTTING IT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO JUST RECOGNIZE THAT YES, WE SOUGHT, WE AGREE WITH IT.

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S IN YOUR SLIDES, BUT I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 56 OF YOUR PACKET, AND IT SHOWS THE CIRCLES WHICH TYPICALLY REPRESENT TREES, SHRUBS, THOSE ARE THE AREAS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. THERE WOULD BE A WALL BEHIND

THOSE THAT IS BUILT UP? >> THE WALL WOULD BE ON THE FURTHEST WESTERN EDGE. LANDSCAPING WOULD BE ON THE

HOTEL SIDE. >> YOU HAVE A FULL LINE OF LANDSCAPING? AWOL FROM THE HOUSE? THERE'S A FENCE AND A WALL AND A BUFFER AREA OF GREENERY?

>> AS YOU MOVE FROM THE HOTEL SIDE TOWARDS THE RESIDENTS, IT WOULD GET IN TO A LANDSCAPED AREA 25 FEET DEEP, AND THAT WOULD BE YOUR BUFFER. THEN THERE WOULD BE AN 8-FOOT WALL AT THE BACK OF THAT. AND THERE ARE FENCES IN THE BACKYARDS OF THE HOMES ADJACENT, THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, EVERYBODY DOES IT. AND I WENT OVER THERE AND LOOKED AROUND. IT WAS MAYBE LAST OR THE WEEK BEFORE. MOST OF THE BACKYARDS HAD SOME

FORM OF LANDSCAPING OR ANOTHER. >> I WAS THINKING WHAT WOULD BE THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS FENCE AND THE WALL THAT IS BUILT? IS THERE AN ALLEYWAY OR IS IT

WALL TO WALL? >> THEY WOULD BE ADJACENT.

THEY WOULD SLAP UP AGAINST ONE ANOTHER.

>> SO IF AN OWNER NEEDED TO REPLACE THEIR FANS, THEY WOULD

HAVE ACCESS TO IT? >> THEY WOULD TAKE THEIR FANS DOWN. THEY WOULD TAKE DOWN THEIR 6-FOOT PICKET AND HAVE AN 8-FOOT STONE WALL.

>> YOU CAN TIRE FENCING INTO THE NORTH-SOUTH WALL.

I CAN'T COMPEL ANYBODY TO DO THAT, BECAUSE AS PRIVATE PROPERTY ISSUES, BUT LET'S BE REAL, THAT'S THE BEST OPTION.

IF EVERYBODY WOULD PLAY NICE, THAT WOULD BE THE BEST.

>> I'M JUST HOPING THAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THE WALL IT'S REPLACED BY INSURANCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> IT IS DEFINITELY THE PRO PROPERTY-- THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOTEL PROPERTY TO MAINTAIN THE WALL.

>> SOMEBODY RUNS INTO A WALL AND TEARS THE WALL DOWN.

>> WE JUST TAKE THE CAO AWAY IF THEY DON'T PUT THE WALLOP

AGAINST PLANS. >> IT WOULD BE CODE COMPLIANCE.

OF CODE DOESN'T DO IT, THEY GET FINED.

AND ULTIMATELY YOU CAN PULL A CAO.

>> YOU JUST HAVE TO BE APPEAR AND WILLING WILLING TO MAKE

THAT. >> THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT THE WALL IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE SITE PLAN, VERSUS-- MY FENCE BETWEEN MY NEIGHBOR AND MYSELF AND THE HOME THAT GOT BUILT, THAT ONE IS A BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF-- WELL-- IT'S TECHNICALLY WHOEVER HAS THE FACE OF THE FENCE. SO THAT IS DIFFERENT.

THAT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF THE SITE PLAN.

I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A FENCE ON MALLARD.

THESE GUYS HAVE TO HAVE A WALL SO THE HOMEOWNERS WOULD NEVER BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HAVING TO HELP PAY FOR IT.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. >> I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC

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HEARING AT 940. CASEY, ARE YOU READY?

>> HELLO. I AM CASEY.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. I AM A HOMEOWNER IN EMORY FARMS. DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING FOUR STORY HOTEL ON NED SCHMIDT. I AM HERE TO OFFER SOME INSIGHT INTO WHAT A HOMEOWNER LIVING DIRECTLY BEHIND ONE OF THESE HOTELS IS ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING. AND I HOPE THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE MY EXPERIENCE AND THE CONCERNS THAT I'M CURRENTLY DEALING WITHIN TO CONSIDERATION WHEN EVALUATING THIS PROPOSED HEIGHT INCREASE. OUR EXPANSE WITH THE EXISTING HOTEL HAS BROUGHT SOME VERY REAL IMPACT TO OUR DAILY LIVES.

WE EXPERIENCE LIGHTING SPILLING ONTO OUR PROPERTY, WINDOWS THAT LOOK OVER INTO OUR BACKYARD THAT PROVIDE A DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT IN TO MY BACKYARD. NOISE FROM DELIVERIES, WHICH THE CURRENT HOTEL-- THE CURRENT HOTELS LOADING AND DELIVERY ZONE IS NOT SCREENED. AND EARLY-MORNING TRASH COLLECTION, DISTURBANCES FROM ACTIVITY IN THE PARKING LOT LATE AT NIGHT, DUE TO THE HOTEL MAKING A FIRE PIT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS ALSO THE UNRESOLVED ISSUE OF THE EIGHT-FOOT MASONRY PUMP, THE FINAL STAMP CONSTRUCTION PLANS APPROVED BY THE CITY IN SEPTEMBER 23 ALSO SHOW THAT WALL WAS YET NEVER CONSTRUCTED.

I RECENTLY HAD THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT TO VISIT MY PROPERTY TO SEE SOME OF THESE IMPACTS FIRSTHAND.

I APPRECIATE HIS WILLINGNESS TO LOOK IN TO OUR CONCERNS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THESE ISSUES ARE BEING INVESTIGATED.

I RECOGNIZE THAT TONIGHT'S REQUEST IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT ALLOWING THE SECOND HOTEL TO INCREASE IT'S HEIGHT TO FOUR STORIES. MY CONCERN IS WHAT THE COMBINED IMPACT OF 24 STORY HOTELS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD LOOK LIKE.

I NOT CITY COUNCIL TO HOLD THIS APPLICATION-- APPLICANT RESPONSIBLE FOR ISSUES INVOLVING THE EXISTING HOTEL, RATHER THAN ASKING THE HOTEL TO CONSIDER WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING, AND USE THAT INFORMATION TO ENSURE THAT APPROPRIATE PROTECTIONS ARE IN PLACE BEFORE ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SCALE IS APPROVED. WE ONLY HAVE ONE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THESE PROTECTIONS RIGHT BEFORE THIS OPPORTUNITY BEGINS.

ONCE THESE BUILDINGS ARE BUILT, THE IMPACT ON SURROUNDING HOMEOWNERS ARE MORE DIFFICULT TO CORRECT.

I RESPECTFULLY ASK COUNCIL TO TAKE MY CONCERNS INTO CONSIDERATION BEFORE MAKING THEIR DECISION ON THE PROPOSED HEIGHT. I HOPE THIS GIVES YOU SOME

PERSPECTIVE. >> CASEY, SINCE HER HERE, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, IT SMART THAT YOU LISTENED TO HOWARD'S PRESENTATION. I DON'T HAVE A HOTEL ANYWHERE NEAR MY HOUSE. FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE WHAT YOU HEARD HERE TONIGHT, DO YOU FEEL THAT THE THINGS THAT WERE SUGGESTED, THAT WE MAKE OUR MOTION ON WITH THESE REQUIREMENTS IN PLACE, DO YOU FEEL THAT THAT WOULD ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT YOU OR YOUR NEIGHBOR ARE HAVING ABOUT THIS HOTEL, OR ARE THERE AREAS THAT YOU ARE LACKING THAT YOU

ARE THINKING ABOUT? >> THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.

THE BUFFER YARD, AT 100% NEEDS TO BE MINIMUM 25 FEET.

I DON'T THICK THE BUFFER YARD BEHIND MY HOUSE IS IN FACT 25 FEET. I THINK IT'S LESS THAN THAT.

THE WINDOWS REALLY NEED TO BE OPAQUE.

AS HOWARD SO WHEN HE WENT AND VISITED, YOU CAN SEE THE SECOND THIRD AND FOURTH FLOOR STRAIGHT IN TO MY BACKYARD.

AS WELL AS THE EXERCISE ROOM. THEY OPEN THE WINDOWS AND YOU CAN SEE IN TO MY BACKYARD. THAT IS THE OPAQUE WINDOWS.

I ALSO BRING UP THE WINDOWS FACING THE DAY CARE.

MAYBE THOSE NEED TO HAVE SOME SCREENING.

WHO KNOWS WHAT IS GOING TO GET INTO THOSE ROOMS. THE LOADING ZONE-- MY BIGGEST THING IS THAT THE THINGS THAT HE PUT INTO IT ARE DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE HELPED MY SITUATION. ESPECIALLY THE PRIVACY WALL.

I HAVE PEOPLE PLAYING BASEBALL BEHIND MY BUSINESS.

THOSE LITTLE THINGS TO HELP OUT MY NEIGHBORS.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THESE REQUIREMENTS IS THE CYPRESS REQUEST. ONE, IT'S NOT A TREAT THAT IS NATIVE TO OUR AREA. THE TEXAS A&M ADVISES AGAINST IT. THE MORE I READ ON IT, THE ISSUE IS THAT IT HAS A TENDENCY TO HAVE ISSUES IN HEAT AND DROUGHT.

THEY TOLERATE DROUGHT MODERATELY.

STRESS ON DRY SPELLS CAN WEAKEN A TREE AND MAKE IT MORE SENSITIVE TO DISEASE. AND IT'S PRONE TO ROOT ROT IF

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IT'S NOT IN FULLY DRAINED SOILS. SO THE TREES THAT THEY HAVE-- WHICH WE JUST UPDATED, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE USING, TEXAS A&M RECOMMENDED. A ELM, A SYCAMORE, SOME OF THESE OTHER RUNS. WOULD ANY OF THOSE BE...

>> THE SYCAMORES DECIDUOUS. FIRST OFF, I'M NOT GOING TO PRESCRIBE THAT WE MAKE THAT AND PUT LEYLAND'S IN.

I JUST USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE OF THE COMMONALITY THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND IT KEEPS IT'S FOLIAGE YEAR-ROUND. THERE ARE SKYROCKET JUNIPERS, A NUMBER OF EASTERN RED CEDARS OR OTHER TYPES OF CEDARS THAT COULD BE USED. THERE IS A NUMBER OF PLANTS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THAT. THE MEXICAN SYCAMORES ARE GREAT IN THE SUMMERTIME. THEY HAVE A MACRO FILM.

THEY HAVE LARGE LEAVES. IN THE FALL THEY ARE A PAIN BECAUSE THE LEAF LITTER IS DIFFICULT TO CLEAN UP AND THEY DROP THEIR LEAVES SO THEY HAVE NO BENEFIT IN A TIME LIKE NOW WHEN WE HAVE MORE DARKNESS AND THERE IS MORE LIFE-- MORE LIGHT.

I WOULD TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM ANY DECIDUOUS TREES ON THAT LIST AND DO EVERYTHING THAT I CAN TO PUT IN EVERGREEN TREES THAT HAVE A MATURE HEIGHT OF 8 FEET OR MORE.

>> THEY JUST DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE TREES RECOMMENDED FOR OUR AREA. THIS IS WHERE WE GET TO SAY, DO IT, PLANET, IT LOOKS GREAT, AND EIGHT YEARS FROM NOW, WHERE WE COULD HAVE HAD A TREE THAT HAD FOLIAGE NINE MONTHS OF THE YEAR, NOW WE HAVE A TREE THAT THEY HAVE TO GO BACK AND PLANTED IT AND WAIT TEN MORE YEARS, BECAUSE ONE DROUGHT OR-- IT DOESN'T RAIN

FOR THREE OR FOUR MONTHS HERE. >> I GET IT.

THERE IS DEFINITELY SOME NEGATIVES HERE.

THE MEXICAN SYCAMORE IS VERY VIGOUROUS.

THEY ARE FAST-GROWING TREES. COMPARED TO A LIVE OAK, WHICH WILL BE INCREDIBLY SLOW-GROWING, BUT LONG LIVING.

THEY CAN LIVE FOR TWO CENTURIES OR MORE.

MAYBE NOT HERE IN THIS STATE. BUT I COULD GO THROUGH A LIST AND PICK OUT SOME THAT I LIKED. DID YOU SAY BURLOAK?

>> I'M NOT THAT CONCERNED, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WILL STAY LIVING. I'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE WHERE GOVERNMENT ASKS PEOPLE TO PLANT SOMETHING, PLANT ALL THIS STUFF, AND THEY GO, WE HAVE TO RESTRICT WATER USAGE AND IT DIES, AND THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO COMMERCIAL AND THEY SAY ALL THE STUFF DIED, WE COULDN'T WATER IT.

AND YOU MADE ME PLANT STUFF THAT REQUIRES THIS.

AND I GET THAT THEY INVENTED LEAVES FALLING OFF, BUT... WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE PLANT IF IT'S GOING TO DIE MORE THAN

LIKELY. >> CHOOSE EVERGREENS THAT DON'T DIE. YOU HAVE MOUNTAIN LAURELS.

>> SO WE UPDATE OUR CODE TO SAY YOU HAVE TO USE TREES BY

TEXAS A&M. >> THE TEXAS MOUNTAIN LAUREL IS

NATIVE. >> TEXAS A&M DOES NOT RECOMMEND ANY TREES. THE ONLY FOUR THEY RECOMMEND PLANTING IN THIS AREA THAT ARE LARGE TREES, AND WE CAN GO DOWN AND NOT DO A LARGE TREE. BOROUGH, CEDAR ELM, MEXICAN

SYCAMORE. >> WHERE DOES TEXAS MOUNTAIN

LAUREL FALL ON THAT LIST? >> IT'S NOT LARGE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TALL. >> YOU SAID IT NEEDS TO BE

8 FEET, RIGHT? >> A MATURE HEIGHT OF EIGHT OR

MORE. >> LAURELS WILL GET UP TO 20.

>> BIG TOOTH, MAPLE, WHITE OAK,. >> CYPRESS TREES.

BUT THEY ARE SPARSE. >> WE CAN UPDATE THE CODE LATER.

I'M SAYING WE TRY TO GO WITH A LANDSCAPE THAT LIVES HERE.

YOU HEARD THAT GUY, IT'S NOT AN AREA FOR TREES.

BUT WE IN THE GOVERNMENT TRIED TO PUSH EVERYONE TO PLANT TREES.

BUT THE GROUND IS NOT EXACTLY SUITABLE FOR TREES.

AND THERE IS A LIMITED AMOUNT. >> THE HOLLIES-- YOU CAN RANK THOSE. THERE LEAFS HAVE CAFFEINE IN THEM. -- THEIR LEAFS HAVE CAFFEINE IN

THEM. >> THAT SOMEONE ELSE'S PROBLEM.

IF THAT MAKES PEOPLE HAPPY KNOWING THAT THEY COULD DIE IN FIVE YEARS AND YOU START ALL OVER.

IT'S A VICIOUS CYCLE. OUTSIDE OF THAT I'M GLAD TO HEAR FROM CASEY THAT A LOT OF THESE ARE SOLVABLE PROBLEMS. AND CASEY, WE WILL TALK TO THE OWNER.

USUALLY THESE HOTEL PEOPLE LIKE TO COME IN FRONT OF OTHER AGENCIES AND ASK FOR HELP WITH FUNDING.

SO PART OF THE INCENTIVE COULD BE ON THE NEW ONE TO MAKE

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CHANGES TO THE OLD ONE IN AN EFFORT TO MINIMIZE ISSUES.

THERE IS ALWAYS A WAY TO GET TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING.

YOU TRY NOT TO BE THE BAD GUY BUT...

>> WE HAVE NOT STARTED THOSE COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTLY WITH OWNERSHIP YET. WE WANT TO HAVE SOME INFORMATION

WE CAN TAKE FORWARD. >> YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO POSTPONE THIS UNTIL THE OWNER COMES IN TO COMPLIANCE WITH HIS

CURRENT HOTEL. >> I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT COMPLIANCE. HE WILL MAKE MORE MONEY OPERATING THEN HE WILL BEING SHUT DOWN.

I'M PROUD THAT WE HAVE A HEAVY HAND SOMETIMES.

PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES AND WE NEED TO SOLVE THEM, SOLVE THEM QUICK

AND MOVE ON RELATIVELY FAST. >> DO YOU KNOW IF THIS BUFFER AREA IS SMALLER OR LARGER THAN THE OTHER ONE?

>> WE BELIEVE THEY ARE CONSISTENT.

WE BELIEVE THE FIRST ONE WAS 25 FEET AND THEY ARE ASKING FOR THIS NEW ONE TONIGHT TO BE 10 FEET SMALLER.

AND WE REJECT THAT RECOMMENDATION.

IT SHOULD BE COMMISERATE WITH THE ONES TO THE SOUTH.

IN-DEPTH. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE ORDINANCE-- IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO THE ORDINANCE? I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:52 P.M.

YOU WERE GOING TO SAY? >> I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU TO

CLOSE. >> I WILL MAKE AN MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 0-2026-064. IS APPROVED WITH THE P AND Z RECOMMENDATIONS OF ITEMS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR AND FIVE.

AND ITEMS SIX, SEVEN AND EIGHT. >> SECOND.

>> COULD YOU ADD FROM THE STAFF REPORT?

>> ADD TO THE STAFF REPORT. >> I AGREE.

>> SECOND BY MAURICE. WE JUST SOLVED ONE PROBLEM.

BETTER FOR HIM TO GET IN CONTACT BEFORE CODES COMES UP.

WE DON'T NEED A CIRCLE K ISSUE. WE ARE SLOWLY CATCHING EVERYBODY. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, CALL THE VOTE.

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>> MOTION PASSES, 6-1. NEXT THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ITEMS 10-1, THROUGH 10.25. I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEMS 10.10.

11, 12, 13 AND 25. >> 111213 AND-- WHICH ONE?

>> TWENTY-FIVE. ANY OTHERS?

21? >> WHICH ONE WERE YOU PULLING?

>> 10.10, 11.12. 13.

AND 25. >> I'M GOING TO PULL 10.21.

AND-- WHERE IS IT... 10.22. >> LET'S MAKE IT FUN.

HOW BOAT PULLED 19 AND 20. ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? OTHERWISE WE WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE.

>> SO MOVED. >> BEST BUY MAYOR PRO TEM PORTERFIELD. SECONDED BY MAURICE.

ITEMS TEN, 1.2, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN.

15, 16, 17, 18, 23 AND 24. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, CALL THE VOTE.

[10.10. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2026-222 authorizing the City Manager to execute Change Order No. 2 with Arias, Inc. for additional geotechnical services associated with the Justice Center Project (F-02), in the amount of $20,890, to support additional roadway construction and utility extension. (Kate Moriarty)]

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>> MOTION PASSES SEVEN TO ZERO. NEXT UP, ITEM 10.10.

POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER ARE 2026-222, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 2 WITH ARIUS INC. FOR ADDITIONAL GEOTECHNICAL SERVICES ASSOCIATED FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER PROJECT IN THE AMOUNT OF $20,890 TO SUPPORT ADDITIONAL ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION AND UTILITY EXTENSION.

>> WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR THERE TO BE NO ACTION TO THIS BECAUSE

IT'S TIED TO THE JUSTICE CENTER. >> ANY OBJECTIONS? DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT OR CAN WE MOVE ON?

[10.11. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2026-223 regarding Renewal of Rotation List for Utility Engineering Professional Services with CobbFendley & Associates, Freese & Nichols, and STV. (Kate Moriarty)]

>> WE CAN MOVE ON AND RECORD THE MINUTES.

NO ACTION. >> ITEM 10.11.

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE AXON RESOLUTION..., REGARDING RENEWAL OF ROTATION LIST FOR ENGINEERING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

I ONLY PULLED THAT BECAUSE I LIKE EVERYTHING TO BE BID OUT.

>> OF RENEWING THEM? OR DOING IT EACH TIME? THIS IS RENEWING PRIOR RFQ'S THAT WE DID AND BROUGHT FORWARD.

SO PER MY UNDERSTANDING-- >> I DON'T LIKE THAT WE JUST HAVE A ROTATION AND THE NEXT THING UP.

I LIKE THERE TO BE A BID FOR EVERY SINGLE THING.

IT FITS LIKE A $10,000 THING. NOT A BIG ISSUE.

BUT SOME OF THESE GUYS JUST GET THE JOB BECAUSE THEY WERE NEXT ON THE LIST. AND I DON'T KNOW.

I GUESS I'M OLD SCHOOL. >> WOULD THERE BE MORE INTEREST

IN A MASTER APPROVED LIST? >> NOT FROM THE AGENDA ITEM.

EVERY ITEM GETS BID ON AND WHOEVER IS AT A PURCHASING DEPARTMENT-- THEY NEED TO PRACTICE BECAUSE EVERY TIME THEY DO HAVE A BID THERE IS SOME KIND OF SCRUB ON IT, ADDENDUM SPIRIT THINGS WE CONFUSE. I THINK WE NEED TO DO MORE BIDDING IN AN EFFORT TO GET REALLY GOOD AT IT AND GET A BIG GROUP OF PEOPLE TO BID ON IT INSTEAD OF ONE GUY WHO SAYS IT'S $400,000, AND 14 CHANGE ORDERS LATER-- IT'S JUST LIKE... JAMES HAS MADE THIS POINT FOR THREE YEARS.

>> AND I WILL KEEP DOING IT. >> UNTIL ONE DAY THE COUNCIL

SAYS WERE NOT GOING TO DO IT. >> THAT'S WHEN I'LL SAY OKAY.

EVERYTHING WILL SLOW DOWN DRAMATICALLY.

>> LET ME ASK A QUESTION REGARDING WHAT THE MAYOR BROUGHT UP. JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS NEXT IN LINE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO PICK THEM,

CORRECT? >> IT DOES NOT.

>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. >> GENERALLY YOU DO UNLESS YOU HAVE A REASON NOT TO. BECAUSE THEN YOU GET ACCUSED OF PLAYING FAVORITES, OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

BUT IF YOU HAVE LACK OF PROJECT THAT'S NOT A GOOD FIT FOR THAT ENGINEERING FIRM, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAYBE ON THAT LIST, AND LET'S SAY ON THE LIST FOR UTILITY DESIGN AND IT'S A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, AND THE FIRM IS NOT KNOWN OR DOES NOT HAVE THE BENCH FOR A WASTE-- WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, YOU BYPASS THEM AND GO TO THE NEXT ONE THAT DOES.

>> THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. >> YES, SIR.

>> I WOULD MAKE IN A MOST-- A MOTION TO ACCEPT 10.11.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILOR MORRIS, SECOND BY COUNCILOR KING.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE

VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON?

[10.12. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2026-224 regarding Renewal of Rotation List for Traffic Engineering Professional Services with Kimley-Horn & Associates, Freese & Nichols, and LJA Engineering. (Kate Moriarty)]

NEXT UP, ITEM 10.12. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RENEWAL OF ROTATION LIST FOR TRAFFIC ENGINEERING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WITH KIMBERLY HORN AND ASSOCIATES, FREESE AND NICHOLS AND LJA ENGINEERING.

YOU HAVE TO SAY IT. DITTO DOES NOT WORK.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT 10.12 AS PRESENTED.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILOR MORRIS, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR REYNOLDS.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, CALL THE VOTE.

[10.13. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2026-225 regarding Renewal of Rotation List for Land Acquisition Professional Services with Seven Arrows Land Staff and Clark Land Resources. (Kate Moriarty)]

NEXT ITEM 10.13. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION REGARDING RENEWAL OF ROTATION LIST FOR

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LAND ACQUISITION PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WITH SEVEN ARROWS LAND STAFF AND PARKLAND RESOURCES. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS ONE. FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY SERVICES?

>> YES. >> AND WE HAVE AN EMPLOYEE THAT

THEIR WHOLE JOB IS RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> YES.

AND SHE STARTING TO DO MORE IN-HOUSE ACQUISITION.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, AS WE ARE NOW GETTING TO 60% ON CIP PROJECTS, NOW WE ARE IDENTIFYING WHICH PARCELS ARE TO BE REQUIRED, THEN SHE IS HAVING AN IMPACT.

THERE WAS NOT AN IMMEDIATE TRANSITION OF WE ARE GOING TO DISENGAGE SEVEN ARROWS ON EX PROJECT WHEN THEY'VE FACILITATED NEGOTIATIONS AND HAVE KEPT THEIR RECORDS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY TRANSACTION DEALS. SO THIS IS WHAT SHE'S GOING TO START DOING. THIS IS JUST ON EFFECTIVELY HOW WE USED OUR OWNERS WRAP-UP FLOTATION-- ROTATION LISTS PREVIOUSLY, IF THERE IS A NEED FOR IT.

>> WHY WOULD THERE BE A NEED? AS SHE NOT ABLE TO DO THE JOB?

>> THAT'S NOT A CONCERN FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.

SHE IS VERY QUALIFIED. IT'S JUST MORE SO AS PROJECTS ARE COMING DOWN THE LINE, WHICH I DON'T FOR SEE THERE BEING A RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION BOTTLENECK.

BUT IF THERE IS A BOTTLENECK AND THERE IS A TIME ISSUE WITH BEING ABLE TO SCHEDULE HEARINGS WITH LEGAL, TO COMPARE DOCUMENTS AND PACKAGES THAT ARE NEEDED FOR ED OR TRANSACTION DEALS, THERE

WOULD BE THAT OUTLET IF NEEDED. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE IF WE DON'T-- SOMEONE ELSE HAS TO DO THEIR JOB APPROPRIATELY.

WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE.

WE TEND TO WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THE THING IS 100% DESIGNED, SOMETIMES GOING TO CONSTRUCTION THEN GETTING THE RIGHT OF WAY.

AND FOR 20 YEARS WE KNEW WHAT WE NEEDED FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY.

IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A HABIT OF WAITING TILL THE LAST MINUTE.

AND SOMETIMES THAT WILL COST US MORE MONEY.

TO ME I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE-- IT'S THE HASTE THAT CAUSES THE WASTE. WE OUGHT TO BE PREPARED ENOUGH TO WHERE WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED. THE AGREEMENT SHOULD BE READY TO GO. THE MEETING SHOULD BE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. IF WE ARE HIRING CONSULTANTS FOR THIS WORK, THE WHOLE PURPOSE WAS TO NOT HAVE CONSULTANTS.

>> IT DEPENDS ON THE PROJECT AND WHEN THEY WANT TO BID IT OUT, AND HOW FAST THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AGENT CAN GET ALL THE RIGHT-OF-WAY PROPERTY OWNERS CONTACTED.

IT'S NOT LIKE SHE IS GOING TO USE AT ALL OF THE TIME.

BUT IT PROBABLY WOULD BE FOR A PROJECT THAT NEEDS TO GO.

BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THESE RIGHTS-OF-WAY BEFORE.

WE ARE HAVING TROUBLE WITH THESE NATION HEARINGS, AND NOT HAVING

THE RIGHT OF WAY UPFRONT. >> WE START OUT ON CONSTRUCTION, AND I'VE NEVER SEEN A PROJECT GO TO CONSTRUCTION THEN YOU START TO GET THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE LOST MY JOB IF WE DID THAT. WE HAD TO HAVE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND EASEMENTS IN PLACE, THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ENTRIES, THE TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS.

ALL THAT HAS TO BE DONE. AND MAYBE WE ONLY RAN A MILE LINE. AND THIS IS LONGER THAN THAT.

BUT I THINK MAYBE IT'S JUST MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT.

BUT IN A PRIVATE SECTOR, PEOPLE GET FIRED FOR THE STUFF WE DO REGULARLY. WE BUILT THE WATER PUMP ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY, AND THEN SOMEONE SAYS, HEY, WE BUILT THIS ON THE WRONG PROPERTY. WE'D LIKE TO BUY YOUR PROPERTY.

BUT EVERYTHING COSTS MORE. TALK ABOUT LEVERAGE.

IT'S, HEY, I NEED TO PUT THIS LINE IN FRONT OF US IN YOUR PHARMACY NEXT PIECE. OF COURSE THEY NEVER VOLUNTARILY SELL IT BECAUSE THE CONSTRUCTION OF EQUIPMENT RIGHT AT THE BORDER. AND I ALWAYS SEE IT AS A LACK OF US PROPERLY DOING OUR JOBS AS A LAND OWNER.

I DON'T BLAME THESE PEOPLE FOR DOING THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE ALWAYS LIKE I NEED YOU TO SIGN THIS RIGHT NOW, OR THE PROJECT

WON'T BE ON SCHEDULE. >> WHILE HAVING THIS WILL ALLOW THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AGENT TO CHOOSE THESE PROJECTS IT WILL BE LIKE THAT. WE REALLY NEED THAT RIGHT OF WAY UPFRONT. THE 60% IS A TRIGGER IN OUR PROCESSES NOW. THAT IS UNDERSTOOD.

YOU BROUGHT THIS UP MONTHS AGO. IT WAS A TRIGGER FOR US TO GIVE SOME REFLECTION TO HOW WE ORIENTED THAT.

THAT 60% IS A TRIGGER FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION, FOR TCE'S, UTILITY COORDINATION. THOSE ARE SET TRIGGERS AND WE ARE WORKING ON DETAILING THOSE PROCEDURES THAT STAFF ARE CLEAR

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ON WHAT THOSE TRIGGER POINTS ARE AND WHAT SUCCESS LOOKS LIKE

THERE. >> I AM DONE RANTING.

>> HOW MANY CURRENT PROJECTS AND CONSTRUCTION DO WE HAVE

RIGHT-OF-WAY ISSUES OUTSTANDING? >> I BELIEVE THAT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT IS IN CONSTRUCTION THAT HAS OUTSTANDING PARCELS TO BE ACQUIRED. THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE UPCOMING THAT WE HAVE TO FINALIZE, AND THOSE WILL NOT GO TO BED UNTIL THEY ARE DONE. BUT THAT'S THE ONLY ONE.

>> THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. DO YOU FORESEE IN THE FUTURE THAT WE CAN GET CAUGHT UP TO THIS OR THE 60% TRIGGER? OR WE MODIFY THAT TO 50, WHATEVER.

DO YOU EVER SEE A POINT WHERE WE WILL NOT BE NEEDING THIS AND WE

CAN DO THIS IN-HOUSE? >> IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH BANDWIDTH. THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH THAT ONE PERSON CAN DO. IF YOU HAVE THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS SUCH THAT THE PERSONS BANDWIDTH IS 100%, THEN YES.

IT'S DONE 100%. IF YOU HAVE 300% BANDWIDTH AND YOU ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON, YOU OUTSOURCE THE OTHER 200 PERCENT, OR YOU HIRE MORE FTES, OR WHATEVER.

IT'S THE SAME THING WE DO WITH BUILDING INSPECTION, WITH THE CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION. WE HAVE IN-HOUSE CAPABILITY WHENEVER WE MAXIMIZE THAT AND WE WILL EXCEED IT AND UTILIZE A THIRD-PARTY OUTLET TO HANDLE THE SPIKE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE EXTRA FTES SITTING AROUND WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH WORK TO

DO. >> THIS IS A QUESTION THAT'S PROBABLY IMPOSSIBLE TO ANSWER. BUT WHAT IS A TYPICAL COST? AND IT DEPENDS ON, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THREE PROPERTIES OR ONE PROPERTY, OR ARE YOU LOOKING AT SOMETHING WHERE SOMEONE IS PLAYING REALLY HARD TO GET? WHAT ORDER OF MAGNITUDE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WITH THESE CONTRACTS BEING, $100,000,

$20,000? >> FOR PIECES OF EXCHANGE, I WANT TO SAY $60,000. THERE IS NO WAY FOR CONTRACTS TO DO THAT, IF THEY PAY $60,000 TO DO.

>> USUALLY ANY TIME YOU PAY A CONSULTANT OVER AN FTE, IT'S USUALLY ON A MAGNITUDE OF ABOUT 5X.

>> AT LEAST 3X. >> IT'S USUALLY 5X OR MORE.

THAT'S USUALLY THE WAY IT IS. >> MAYBE WE TEACH KATE HOW TO DO SOME DECENT RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION.

I'M ACTUALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE WORKLOAD, AND AT THAT POINT, WHEN THE WORKLOAD IS HIDE, THEN WE CAN BRING THE ITEM UP. BUT I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THE PERSON IS OVERWORKED, 80% OR WHATEVER IT IS.

I DON'T KNOW. >> IF THE WORK COMES UP IT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL. THAT'S WHEN WE BRING THE IPO AND SAY WOULD YOU AWARD THIS TO SEVEN ARROWS TO DO THIS JOB?

>> WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AND 45 ITEMS.

>> THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED IN MY CAREER HERE.

>> WE JUST APPROVED 25 ITEM. >> HOW MANY DID YOU PULL?

>> I KNOW. >> THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO SAY IT'S BEEN A FEW MONTHS IT'S A PROJECT AND DESIGN HAS REACHED 60% IN ORDER TO TRIGGER THIS STAFF MEMBER TO START GOING.

SO THEY HAVE BEEN ON STAFF FOR ALMOST A YEAR NOW IF YOU TAKE THE LAST SIX MONTHS OF TRANSITION WE HAVE BEEN IN.

THOSE FIRST SIX MONTHS WERE HER GETTING HER PROCEDURES SET.

SO MOVING FORWARD, LESS DEPENDENCY.

>> JIM, TO HAVE THIS ONE? >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 10.13. , AS PRESENTED.

>> MOTION MADE BY COUNCILOR MORRIS.

SECONDED BY COUNCIL WERE-- COUNCILOR ZEPEDA.

[10.19. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2026-231 authorizing the City Manager to execute a lease-to-purchase agreement for six (6) Chevrolet Police Pursuit Tahoes and one (1) Ford Transit T350 high roof van from Enterprise Fleet Management through the Interlocal Purchasing System (TIPS) contract #240901, approving a fiveyear lease to purchase in the amount of $952,886.40 and an up-front cost of $168,962.14 for the Tahoes and the Transit Van. (Chief Yarbrough)]

NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 10.19. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A LEASE TO PURCHASE AGREEMENT FOR SIX CHEVROLET POLICE PURSUIT TAHOE IS, AND ONE FOR TRANSIT T-3 50 HIGH ROOF THAN FROM

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ENTERPRISE-- ENTERPRISE FLEET MANAGEMENT THROUGH THE INTERLOCAL PURCHASING SYSTEM TIPS, APPROVING A FIVE-YEAR LEASE TO PURCHASE THE AMOUNT OF $952,886.40, AND AN UPFRONT COST OF $168,962.14 FOR THE TACOS AND THE TRANSIT MAN.

>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I AM THE ASSISTANT CHIEF. THE CHIEF COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT. THESE ITEMS WE PUT IN OUR REGULAR BUDGET FOR FY 2027. THE TAHOE'S ARE GOING TO REPLACE SOME VEHICLES THAT ARE WELL PAST THEIR AGE.

THE VAN WILL BE FROM THE SRT T. WHAT QUESTIONS CAN ANSWER FOR

YOU. >> I HAD A QUESTION FOR JAMES.

AT THE LAST MEETING A MOTION WAS PASSED TO BRING BACK DIRECT TO STAFF COST COMPARISON BASED ON THE COMMENTS.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WOULD NOT CONFLICT WITH THAT.

I'M OKAY WITH THIS. I'M HAPPY YOU GOT TO WALK UP HERE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT CONFLICTING, IF WE APPROVE ALL SIX, IS THAT GOING TO MESS UP THAT PREVIOUS MOTION? I KNOW YOU WILL SPRING BACK COST, BOOK WILL THAT EFFECT IT AT ALL?

>> IT WILL NOT AFFECT IT AT ALL. >> WE HAVE MORE ON THE BUDGET OF

THE SIX. >> WE HAVE MORE NEEDS THAN THE SIX. AND THE EMAIL I SENT IN TO COUNCIL ALLUDED TO THE FACT THAT I WOULD BE BRINGING BACK A PACKAGE EDGE-- PRESENTATION ON DOING IN YEAR FUNDING ABOVE AND

BEYOND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. >> WE ARE WORKING ON THAT REPORT. IN FACT WE JUST NEGOTIATED WITH A COMPANY CALLED UP FIT WHO DOES TESLA UP FITTING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE ARE NOT READY TO GIVE THE DAY YET. BUT WE ARE NOT COMING OUT HERE FOR AN ACTUAL TEA ANY AT THE PARK.

IT'S GOING TO BE QUITE THE BILL. >> WILL WE BE INVITED OR WILL IT

BE CLOSE TO THE PUBLIC? >> WE WILL LET YOU KNOW THE D DATE. IT IS QUITE AN IN-DEPTH REPORT THAT WE HAVE STARTED. IT'S PAGES LONG.

AND THERE IS A LOT TO IT. >> SO WE GET TO SHOOT THE

CYBERTRUCK? >> PROBABLY NOT.

THEY ARE NOT OURS. >> YOU CAN DO ANYTHING ONE.

>> YOU CAN. THERE IS A CONSEQUENCE.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED.

>> MOTION IS MADE AND SECONDED. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

[10.20. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2026-232 authorizing the City Manager to execute an agreement for the purchase of six (6) iPro in car video systems and accessories from Howard Technology Solutions in amount not to exceed $61,638.90 through the Interlocal Purchasing System (Omnia Partners) Contract #01- 145. (Chief Yarbrough)]

POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT FOR THE PURCHASE OF SIX CIPRO IN CAR VIDEO SYSTEMS AND ACCESSORIES FROM OUR TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS IN AMOUNT TO NOT EXCEED $61,638.90 FOR THE INTERLOCAL PURCHASING

SYSTEM, OMNIA PARTNERS. >> ASSISTANT CHIEF OF POLICE HERE. THE REASON WE DID IT THIS WAY HERE WAS IT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO SAVE SOME MONEY.

NORMALLY WE WOULD BUY THOSE CAMERAS FROM OUR OUTFITTER.

WE SAW AN OPPORTUNITY SINCE WE HAVE TWO I.T. FOLKS THAT KNOW THE SYSTEM NOW. IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN TAKE CARE OF IT.

IN THE PAST WE WOULD HAVE GONE OUT AND BOUGHT SOMETHING AND HAD THE OUTFITTER INSTALL IT AND THERE WOULD BE A PROBLEM WITH IT. AND THEY POINT THE FINGER AT THE MANUFACTURER. AND YOU FACTOR POINTS THE FINGER AT THE INSTALLER. THESE CAMERAS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO SAVE ABOUT $4000 PER VEHICLE ABOVE THAT COST.

THAT'S WHY WE DID IT THAT WAY. >> YOU SAVE $24,000 BY DOING IT

IN-HOUSE? >> WE WILL FIND ANOTHER WAY TO

SPEND IT. >> I WAS NOT GOING TO SAY IT.

BUT, YOU KNOW. >> MOTION TO APPROVE THE

RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED. >> SECONDED.

>> MOTION MADE BY MAYOR PRO TEM PORTERFIELD, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER REYNOLDS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

[10.21. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2026-065 adopting a new purchasing policy and procedures for the City of Hutto, Texas. (Alberta Barrett)]

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10.21. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE ADOPTING A NEW PURCHASING POLICY AND PROCEDURES FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO TEXAS.

>> ALBERTA BARRETT. FINANCE DIRECTOR.

FOR THE RECORD. >> THANK YOU.

MY QUESTION WAS JUST WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE MAJOR PURCHASING

POLICY PROCEDURE CHANGES? >> THE MAJOR CHANGES THAT WE LISTED ARE IN THE AGENDA ITEM. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE WANTED TO POINT OUT A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THE STATE LAW CHANGED. THE THRESHOLD OF 50,000 WAS RAISED. BUT WE ARE MAINTAINING TO KEEP THE 50,000 TO BE MORE CONSERVATIVE.

BUT THAT'S AN OPTION YOU CAN CHANGE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU SO DESIRE. THE OTHER ONE IS THE CITY MANAGER WILL SIGN ALL CONTRACTS. SO CURRENTLY, DEPARTMENT HEADS, IF THEY ARE WITHIN A CERTAIN RANGE, WILL BE ABLE TO SIGN ALL CONTRACTS. BUT THAT WILL CHANGE PICKED THE CITY MANAGER WILL SIGN ALL AGREEMENTS AND CONTRACTS.

THE TEXAS PROMPT PAYMENT ACT IS NOTHING NEW.

BUT WE ARE JUST ENFORCING THAT MORE IN THE AGREEMENT, OR IN THE POLICY. SAME THING WITH MULTI-YEAR CONTRACT REIMBURSEMENTS. WE ARE TAKING A MORE PROACTIVE RESPONSE TO SPLIT PURCHASES. WE ARE ENFORCING THE POLICY TO WHERE YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO SPLIT PURCHASES.

YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PURCHASING POLICY.

IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU SPLIT IT UP SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A PO. SO WE ARE ENFORCING THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE POLICY. WE HAVE INSTITUTED PURCHASING VIOLATIONS AND CORRECTIVE ACTION.

IF YOU VIOLATE THE PURCHASING POLICY WE HAVE A PROCESS TO REPORT THAT VIOLATION TO THE CITY MANAGER.

AND THE OTHER CHANGES, THE HISTORICALLY UNDERUTILIZED BUSINESSES HAVE REQUIREMENTS PICKIER REQUIRED TO GET TWO HUBS, BUT THE STATE LAW CHANGED IT TO WHAT THE QUALIFICATION HUB IS. SO NOW IT'S JUST VETERAN OWNED BUSINESSES. AND IN THE USE OF AI, WITHIN THE PURCHASING POLICY, THOSE ARE THE MAJOR CHANGES.

>> NUMBER 2 I HAVE THE MOST QUESTIONS ABOUT.

JAMES, HAVING IT BE REQUIRED THAT YOU SIGN ALL THESE CONTRACTS, HOW WILL THAT EFFECT YOUR WORKLOAD OR EXPEDIENCY OF THINGS NEED TO BE SIGNED OFF AND APPROVED.

>> MY FINGERS ARE GOING TO CRAMP A BIT MORE.

IT WILL BE FUN. THE WAY THAT OUR WORKFLOW WORKS IS THERE IS A NUMBER OF THINGS I HAVE TO SIGN JUST BY REQUIREMENT. IT GOES THROUGH ALL THE CHECKS BEFORE IT GETS ROUTED TO ME. WE ROUTE THROUGH DOC YOU SIGN.

THERE IS A RECORD AND A TIME-STAMP FOR WHEN EVERYONE TOUCHES IT. AND THERE IS A RECORD FOR EVERYTHING I'VE SIGNED ALL IN ONE PLACE.

SO IT WILL NOT IMPACT THINGS. I CHECK DOCK YOU SIGN ONCE A DAY AND SIGN OFF ON EVERYTHING WAITING FOR ME.

>> BUT THAT WILL NOT MAKE IT SO THAT YOU'RE HAVING LESS COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEPARTMENT.

BECAUSE THINGS ARE BEING REROUTED.

IS THAT HOW I UNDERSTAND IT. >> I DON'T THINK SO.

BASICALLY NOW THE CONTRACT THAT WOULD'VE STOPPED WITH THEM WOULD

NOW GO ONE MORE STEP TO ME. >> BUT STILL THROUGH THEM? IT'S JUST KEEPING ALL THOSE CHECKPOINTS.

>> IT ADDS ANOTHER LEVEL. I'M NOT GOING TO SIGN OFF ON A CONTRACT THE DEPARTMENT HAS NOT SIGNED OFF ON.

>> IT SLOWS DOWN SPENDING. >> I'M IN.

>> EVEN IF IT'S A 30 MINUTE DELAY.

>> DEFINITELY AT LEAST 30 MINUTES.

WE TRY NOT TO MAKE IT MORE THAN A DAY.

DAILY THERE IS USUALLY 25 OR 30 DOCUMENTS FOR ME TO SIGN.

>> THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT 50,000.

I KNOW YOU CAN GO TO 100. AND IT MAKES THINGS COMPLICATED.

I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SURPRISED TO SEE THE $50,000.

AND WE'VE HAD A HISTORY FROM YEARS AGO WHERE EVERYTHING WAS 48,000. AND EVERYTHING GOT SIGNED TO WHERE WE RAN OUT OF MONEY. I KNOW YOU STILL LIVE WITH PROBLEMS FROM THE PAST, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE REMAIN A VERY FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE CITY. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT

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THOSE THINGS, HAVING THAT EXPERIENCE AGAIN.

TUESDAY THINGS CHANGED. AND WE ARE ALREADY SET OUT FOR THE WORST CASE SCENARIO IN A LOT OF THESE WAYS.

WE APPRECIATE THE WORK ON THAT. >> THIS REVISED POLICY ADDS GUIDANCE ON THE USE OF AI. SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE NOT USING

ANY AI FOR ANY PROCUREMENT? >> NOT FOR PROCUREMENT.

NO. >> I GUESS I WILL READ THAT MORE IN DEPTH. I'M CONCERNED ANYTIME WE HAVE AI INSIDE THE FIREWALL OF THE CITY, LINKED TO SOME SERVER.

>> IT'S LINKED TO THE DATACENTRE ACROSS THE STREET.

>> THAT IS WHAT THE DARWYN SOFTWARE IS FOR.

THAT'S BASICALLY OUR GATEKEEPER TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE NOT GOING OFF THE RAILS ARE BEING USED IN A WAY THEY ARE NOT TO BE

USED. >> RM OR THE WORK SYSTEM WE HAD ON DARWYN. I THINK SOMETIMES IT MIGHT WORK BETTER WITH SOME AND NOT WITH OTHERS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HISTORY THERE IS.

AS FAR AS HOW THESE THINGS CHANGE ALL THE TIME.

THERE IS A NEW ONE COMING OUT. >> THINK OF IT KIND OF LIKE A FIREWALL, IF YOU WILL. IT'S NOT ACCURATE, BUT IT SITS BETWEEN US AND THE AI. OUTSIDE OF US.

IT'S WATCHING THE FLOW OF INFORMATION BACK AND FORTH.

>> I WAS SAYING THAT I WOULD THINK THAT DIFFERENT AGENTS WOULD BEHAVE DIFFERENTLY WITH DARWYN.

LINCOLN AI FIREWALL, OR SOMETHING THAT-- I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HISTORY IS EVEN AVAILABLE, OR HOW LOOKING AT THAT HISTORY--

>> I'M NOT AWARE THAT THAT'S AN ACTUAL THING.

IT'S LOOKING FOR-- IF WE SAY, HEY,, IT'S TRANSACTIONAL ANALYSIS. LET'S SAY WE SAY YOU CANNOT USE GROK. AND SOMEONE TRIES TO PING GROK, IT WILL STOP IT. AND LET'S SAY YOU CANNOT DO PERSONAL IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION.

I PUT YOUR NAME AND SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER IN AND I TRIED TO SEND IT, IT WILL STOP IT.

THAT'S THE SORT OF STUFF IT DOES.

>> THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE.

>> THANK YOU. >> GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION

TO ADOPT THE MOTION. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER ZEPEDA, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER REYNOLDS. ANY DISCUSSION?

HEARING NONE, WE WILL MOVE THAT. >> COUNCILMEMBER--

[10.22. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2026-066 amending the FY 2027 budget for expenditures of the City's General Fund, Fixed Asset Fund, and River Creek Development Corporation for fiscal year October 1, 2026 through September 30, 2027. (Alberta Barrett)]

ITEM 10.22. CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE... AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 BUDGET FOR EXPENDITURES OF THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND, FIXED ASSET FUND, AND RIVER CREAKED A MOMENT CORPORATION FOR FISCAL YEAR OCTOBER 1ST, 2026 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2027.

>> I PULLED THIS ONE BECAUSE UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN THIS IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT COVERING THE FEES WHEN WE WERE DOING THE SUBCOMMITTEE. THE RIVER CREAKED SUBCOMMITTEE.

THAT THE MONEY TO PULL IT WOULD COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND,

CORRECT? >> YES.

SORRY-- ALBERTA BARRETT, FINANCE DIRECTOR FOR THE RECORD.

IT'S REFERENCE TO THE COTTONWOOD TO BELLMAN CORPORATION DEFENSE, WHICH GOES BACK TO THE PERFECT GANG AND THE LAND PURCHASE.

THE COTTONWOOD DEVELOP INCORPORATION DOES NOT HAVE ANY FUNDS. ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, THE GENERAL FUND HAS BEEN PAYING OFF THEIR ATTORNEY FEES UP TO THIS POINT. THE QUESTION CAME WHETHER DO WE CONTINUE TO TAKE THIS SETTLEMENT FROM THE GENERAL FUND, OR DO WE PAY IT FROM THE EDC. THAT IS THE QUESTION.

WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS FOR THE GENERAL FUND TO PAY

THAT. >> AND WE SAID DURING THAT MEETING WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND DO IT AND I ASKED THE QUESTION IF WE COULD ALSO ADD THE EXPECTATION OR THE CAVEAT THAT

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THE GENERAL FUND BE REIMBURSED FOR THAT EXPENDITURE AS THAT LAND IS DEVELOPED AND CONTINUES TO BE PROFITABLE.

>> CORRECT. THAT NEEDS TO COME IS A DIRECTION OR A MOTION TO THE COUNCIL ON HOW THEY'D LIKE TO DO

THAT. >> THAT'S ALL IT WAS.

SAYING GO AHEAD AND PAY IT. BUT FOR THIS ONE COULD WE ADD THE CAVEAT TO THE EXPECTATION THAT WE ARE TO BE REIMBURSED FOR THAT OVER TIME ONCE IT'S FEASIBLE, OR REALISTIC TO THAT DEAL? SO HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD.

DO WE APPROVE IT, BUT CAN IT BE REIMBURSED ON 10.22.

>> PUT THAT IN YOUR MOTION. >> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER NUMBER 0-2026-026, AMENDING...

FISCAL YEAR OCTOBER 2026, THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH .27, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THE GENERAL FUND CAN BE REIMBURSED.

>> REIMBURSED BY RIVER CREAKED? >> BY THE ECONOMIC TO MOMENT

CORPORATION. >> 195,000 FOR COTTONWOOD.

NOT RIVER CREAKED. >> DO I HAVE A SECOND? THE REASON I BROUGHT THAT UP IS THE STAFF NOTES ARE TO HAVE THE RIVER CREAKED DEVELOP INCORPORATION DO THE REIMBURSING. NOT THE EDC.

>> THAT IS ON THE OTHER ONE. BACK AT THE LAST MEETING, WE HAD NOT A QUORUM FOR THE RIVER CREAKED BOARD MEETING.

DURING COUNCIL MEETING WE HAD TO CHANGE THE BUDGET AMENDMENT TO REFLECT THAT RIVER CREAKED-- THAT THE GENERAL FUND, WE WOULD PAY THAT SETTLEMENT EXPENSE BECAUSE IT WAS INCURRING PENALTIES DAILY. THE MOTION WAS MADE FOR THE GENERAL FUND TO MAKE THAT SETTLEMENT FOR RIVER CREEK AND RIVER CREEK WOULD REIMBURSE IT. REIMBURSE THE GENERAL FUND.

AND THAT IS WHAT'S ON THIS AGENDA.

RIVER CREEK IS REIMBURSING THE GENERAL FUND, 793,000.

-- >> 763,000.

>> THANK YOU. [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> YOU MADE THAT MOTION LAST TIME.

IT'S ONLY HERE TO SUPPORT THAT MOTION THAT YOU TOOK.

TO REFLECT IU DIRECTED THAT THAT THAT BE PAID AND REIMBURSED.

THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT ONE IS ON HERE.

>> IT SHOULD BE THE CAVEAT THAT THE CONCRETE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION BE REIMBURSED BY THE EDC.

>> 195,000. >> THE RIVER CREEK ONE IS THE CO-OP. THE CO-OP ONE HAS MONEY BECAUSE THERE IS A PIT. THE COTTONWOOD HAS NO MONEY.

NO PROPERTY. NOTHING.

SO THE REVENUE HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE

VOTE. >> BEFORE I CALLED THE VOTE, COUNCILOR ZEPEDA, TERRY MANDABLE TO THAT UPDATE TO THE MOTION? INCLUDING THAT IT'S FOR THE COTTONWOOD DEVELOPMENT

CORPORATION SETTLEMENT? >> WAS NOT THE ONE WE WERE

CHANGING? >> THAT SUAN WE NEEDED TO BE CHANGED TOO. THE RIVER CREEK ONE IS BEING REIMBURSED. THEY ARE REIMBURSING THE GENERAL FUND. BECAUSE WE PAID IT.

BUT THE COTTONWOOD ONE IS THE ONE THAT THE GENERAL FUND IS PAYING FOR THAT YOU WERE WANTING THE EDC TO REIMBURSE THE GENERAL

FUND. >> COUNCILMEMBER REYNOLDS...

[10.25. Consideration and possible action on approving the following City Council meeting minutes: October 15, 2026 Work Session and October 15, 2026 Regular Meeting. (Amanda Taylor)]

CONSIDER A POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVING THE FOLLOWING CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, OCTOBER 15TH, 2026 WORK SESSION, AND OCTOBER 15TH, 2026 REGULAR MEETING.

I THINK I PULLED THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE NOBODY HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THE MINUTES AS THEY WERE PRESENTED.

WE FUNDED PAGE 222 OF OUR PACKET.

THIS WAS THE MEETING WHERE WE FUNDED THE PETITIONS AND

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REDIRECTED STAFF TO PROCEED WITH COMPILING FUNDING OPTIONS, AS WELL AS COMPARING PROCUREMENT OPTIONS FOR DIFFERENT SAFETY APPARATUSES AS RECOMMENDED BY CONSULTANTS.

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WERE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THOSE.

>> I SEE NO ISSUES. >> MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES

AS PRESENTED. >> SECOND.

>> THE WHOLE PACKET? THAT'S A BIG ONE.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> PLEASE CALL THE VOTE'S BEEN--

[11.1. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2026-067 amending the Code of Ordinances for Special Events Chapter 1.07, Division 1 and 2 and related policies, processes, and permitting requirements. (Jeff White)]

NEXT, ITEM 11.1. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 0-2026-067, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR SPECIAL EVENTS CHAPTER 1.07 DIVISION I AND TWO AND RELATED POLICIES, PROCESSES AND PERMITTING

REQUIREMENTS. >> JEFF WHITE, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. WITH ME IS KELLY FROM EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, AND RICK MAKING UP OUR SPECIAL EVENTS TEAM.

WE WILL RUN THROUGH SOME SLIDES AND BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU.

>> IT'S OKAY WITH US. >> THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS WE WANTED TO CLARIFY DEFINITIONS AND REQUIREMENTS AND IMPROVE PERMITTING OVERSIGHT, ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. ESTABLISH CLEAR OPERATIONAL STANDARDS FOR EVENT ORGANIZERS. THE ORDINANCE WAS FIRST CREATED IN 2007. SO WE REALLY HAD A LOOK AT IT.

IT HADN'T BEEN LOOKED AT IN ALMOST 20 YEARS.

STAFF REVIEWED AND IDENTIFIED OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE THE DEPARTMENT ORDINATION AND CLARIFY THE PERMITTING RESPONSIBILITIES AND ADDRESS PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS.

ESTABLISH COST RECOVERY PRACTICES, STRENGTHEN OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS AND IMPROVE EMERGENCY EVENT SHUTDOWN PROCEDURES. SO REVISIONS WE ARE PROPOSING IS UPDATED DEFINITIONS AND CLASSIFICATIONS, ESTABLISHING THE SPECIAL EVENT COORDINATOR AUTHORITY, CLARIFYING CITY MANAGER APPROVAL AUTHORITY AND ADDING SOME POLICE DEPARTMENT PUBLIC SAFETY AUTHORITY. IN ADDITION, WE ARE GOING TO PROPOSE TO ENHANCE EVENT APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS AND IMPROVE SANITATION AND WASTE DISPOSAL AND INCREASE ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURES. SOME OF THE MORE MAJOR CHANGES INCLUDED AND RELATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY INCLUDE EAPS FOR QUALIFYING EVENTS. KELLY EMAILED YOU A COUPLE SAMPLES OF THE EAP'S EARLY THIS WEEK.

EMERGENCY EVACUATION, THE AUTHORITY TO SUSPEND UNSAFE EVENTS. CLEAR EMERGENCY RESPONSE CORONATION AND AN ENHANCED REVIEW.

COST RECOVERY IS INCLUDED IN THERE.

UNIVERSAL STAFFING, UPDATED BOND, PROVISIONS.

ACCOUNTABILITY FOR A POSTEVENT CLEANUP COST.

AND OUR GOAL IS TO CREATE SAFER EVENTS, HAVE A CLEAR EXPECTATION OF ORGANIZERS, BETTER PROTECTION OF CITY RESOURCES, AND MORE EFFICIENT PERMITTING PROCESS. AND THAT CONCLUDES THE QUICK OVERVIEW OF IT. IN THE PACKET YOU ARE PROVIDED A REDLINED VERSION AND A CLEAN VERSION.

AND WE OR ANYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE IS HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> I WILL START.

SECTION 1.7-- THE APPLICABILITY. WE ADDED EVENTS THAT ARE OFFICIALLY SPONSORED BY THE CITY, HIGHER EDUCATION, OR GOVERNMENTAL ACTIVITY MAYBE EXEMPTED FROM OBTAINING A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT PROVIDED THAT AN EVENT ACTION PLAN IS SUBMITTED. AN EVENT ACTION PLAN IS A WRITTEN PLAN DEVELOPED FOR A PLANNED EVENT THAT IDENTIFIES AN ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE, OPERATIONAL OBJECTIVE, PUBLIC SAFETY EMERGENCY PROCEDURES, COMMUNICATION, COORDINATION, NECESSARY TO MANAGE AND ADDRESS INCIDENTS THAT MAY IMPACT CITY OPERATIONS AND PERSONNEL AS THEY MINISTER PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO, NOT TO START STUFF WITH OTHER AGENCIES.

BUT I REGULARLY COMMUNICATE TO JAMES, THE ISE HAD AN EVENT AND IT CLOGGED UP THE STREET FOR TWO —-DASH HOURS.

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WHICH CONCERNS ME BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE STATION. AND WITHOUT MUCH TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF THERE. GOD FORBID SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS. HOW DO YOU GET THE FIRST RESPONDERS AARON CLEARED OUT IF WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN.

THE WAY AM READING THIS IS THEY EITHER HAVE 1500 PEOPLE AT AN EVENT, THEY WILL HAVE TO DO A SPECIAL EVENT, OR THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE YOU ALL AN EVENT ACTION PLAN.

IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WE WILL HAVE A PLAN FOR EVERY EVENT THAT THEY HAVE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THE PARAMETERS.

IS A CHANGED? >> IT HAS BEEN CHANGED.

>> AND ARE WE LOOKING AT MAKING SURE THAT-- HERE IS MY FEAR.

I WAS TELLING SOMEONE THE OTHER DAY, WHAT'S SCARY ABOUT THE WORLD IS IF THERE IS A FAKE EMERGENCY, AND I'M THE GUY THAT SUPPOSED TO BE IN CHARGE, WE DON'T WANT THAT.

SO THE CITY COUNCIL HIRED SOME PEOPLE TO DO THIS, BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE TOOLS.

IST AND THE OTHER PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, PROVIDED YOU ALL SIGN

OFF ON IT? >> YES.

KELLYANNE I HAVE MET WITH THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COALITION, AND WE WORKED WITH THEM, TALKING THROUGH THIS ABOUT THEIR MEETINGS WHERE INITIAL TALKS WERE FOR THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITTING. THEY ALREADY DO THE EAPS.

I THINK ONE OF THE EVENTS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE BACK TO SCHOOL BACKPACK GIVEAWAY. IT CLOGGED UP A BUNCH OF ROADWAYS. THIS PAST SCHOOL YEAR THEY TOOK SOME STAFF AND BROUGHT IN SOME PEOPLE AND THEY DIRECTED THE

TRAFFIC. >> THEY HAD THAT MEANT--

>> THE BACK TO SCHOOL CONFERENCE WITH THE TEACHER AND THE STAFF.

>> WITH EVERYTHING HAPPENING, THAT'S LIKE THE WORST INTERSECTION WE HAVE IN THE WORLD.

AND YOU HAVE TO GET SOMEONE IN AND OUT OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. YOU HAVE THE HIGH SCHOOLS LOADING AT THE SAME TIME. AND AS WE GET A BIGGER POLICE DEPARTMENT I HOPE WE ARE ABLE TO HAVE MORE INTERAGENCY STUFF.

WE WILL PUT THESE LIGHTS AND, THESE INTERSECTIONS, DISPERSIVE TRAFFIC AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. WHERE AS I TOLD JAMES AND SEEMS LIKE THEY WORK TO GET IT OUT OF THE PARKING LOT, AND ONCE IT HITS THE CITY ROADS IT IS JUST REGULAR TIME.

BUT BETWEEN TRAIN ISSUES, IT'S ALREADY A NIGHTMARE TRYING TO CROSS THE TRACKS. BUT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS I HOPE IT'S BEING COMMUNICATED. I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT GOD FORBID WE HAVE 20,000 PEOPLE IN A STADIUM AND SOMETHING HAPPENS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE. BECAUSE THE WORST STUFF HAPPENS WHEN THE GAME IS OVER. THAT'S WHEN WE DON'T WANT AN ISSUE AND SOMEONE SAYING YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS.

HOW DID YOU NOT KNOW. >> A GRADUATION.

>> JUST SO THEY KNOW WERE NOT TRYING TO PUNISH THEM.

WERE JUST TRYING TO BE PROA PROACTIVE.

>> AND WE HAD THAT. GRADUATION WAS THE SAME THING.

WE WERE INVOLVED, AND WE HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH THEM, WITH THE EAP. AND KELLY CAN ATTEST TO THIS, WE'VE BEEN GETTING EAPS FOR THE FOOTBALL GAMES.

WE JUST GOT A BIG ONE OUT THERE. >> I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS.

BUT I'M GOING TO RESERVE THE RIGHT TO GO OFF-LINE AND DO THIS ONCE. AND IF THIS IS COMPLICATED AS IT WAS BEFORE, I'M GOING TO BRING AN ITEM BACK UP, BECAUSE THAT WAS SUCH A-- A BEAR TO GET TO THAT.

WOULD YOU AGREE? IT JUST MAKES YOU WANT TO CHEAT AND SAY NO A FENCE, IT'S GOING TO BE OVER 1500 PEOPLE.

BECAUSE THE PROCESS TO DO THIS IS SO HARD.

BUT WE CUT A LOT OUT. IT LOOKS LIKE.

1.07.087. I SAID-- BE.

CITY MANAGER HAS THE RIGHT TO LOWER OR INCREASE THE PUBLIC LIABILITY INSURANCE SUMMITS FOR A SPECIAL EVENT.

AND THE CITY ATTORNEY QUESTION. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

DOES THE CITY NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE PROVIDE THIS?

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DOES THE CITY NOT ALREADY HAVE INSURANCE AND YOU CAN'T SUE US

ANYWAY? >> THE CITY'S INSURANCE WOULD NOT COVER THE PEOPLE HOLDING THE EVENT UNLESS YOU ADDED IT AS A RIDER TO YOUR CURRENT LIABILITY COVERAGE.

>> SAY SOMEONE HAS AN EVENT AND SOMETHING HAPPENS.

TO THOSE PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO SUE THE CITY BECAUSE SOMETHING WENT SOUTH? THE REASON I ASK IS THIS KIND OF

DIFFICULT TO GET THIS. >> IF IT'S IN THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY, THAT'S ALL WERE ASKING. IF THE EVENT IS FULLY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, I DON'T THINK THIS WILL WORK.

>> LET'S SAY IT'S ON CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY.

CAN THEY SUE? WHAT CAN THEY SUE THE CITY FOR? SOMEONE HIT MY BIKE OR SOMEONE HIT ME?

>> IT'S JUST THE PROPERTY. SO YOU WILL BE ADDED IN ADDITION

TO THE PEOPLE. >> THE STATE LAW DOESN'T PROTECT

US ON THAT? >> ONCE THE DOORS OPEN, ANYBODY

GOES IN THERE. >> BELIEVE ME, I KNOW.

>> IF IT'S IN THE CITY RIGHT AWAY, THEY WILL ADD TO THE CITY.

>> CAN WE SIMPLIFY THIS BY CHARGING PEOPLE, AND SAY YOU HAVE TO PAY A $500 FEE, OR WHATEVER IT IS TO ADDED ON TO A RIDER? BECAUSE AT EVENTS YOU CANNOT CALL UP STATE FARM AND SAY I NEED A PARADE WITH A RIDER.

THERE IS ANOTHER SPOT DOWN HERE LIKE A SURETY BONDS.

SAME THING. IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN JUST CHARGE PEOPLE A PERMIT FEE AND SAY IT'S $800 BUT IT INCLUDES YOUR SURETY AND YOUR INSURANCE. AND SAY YOU HAVE TO PUT THIS ON

YOURSELF AND TURN IT ALL IN? >> NOT TO BUST YOUR BUBBLE, BUT IF YOU'RE DOING A BLOCK PARTY, I THINK YOU HAVE TO GET AN EVENT PERMIT. MORE THAN A NOTIFICATION.

IF IT'S A ROAD CLOSURE. >> IF I'M CLOSING THE ROAD, I'M DOING A BLOCK PARTY. I NEED AN EVENT PERMIT.

SO IF YOU GET THE INSURANCE FOR THAT IT'S LIKE $100.

AND YOU ADD THE CITY AS ANAND-- ADDITIONAL INSURER.

>> IT'S LIKE $500. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO IT.

BUT IT'S BASED ON THE TYPE OF EVENT.

THE LEVEL OF LIABILITY INCURRED WITH THAT EVENT, POSSIBLE AT

THAT EVENT. >> IS THERE A WAY FOR THE CITY

TO HANDLE THIS? >> IF YOU CHARGE $800, YOU MIGHT DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM HAVING A BLOCK PARTY BECAUSE ARE NOT GOING TO PAY IT HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR A BLOCK PARTY.

THEY MIGHT PAY $100 FOR A BLOCK PARTY.

>> I JUST RENTED A U-HAUL. AND FOR $4500 IT'S ENSURED.

I'M SURE THOSE 1000 PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT THE INSURANCE, AND THEY THINK THEY MUST BE MAKING MONEY ON IT.

BECAUSE IF THEY WERE NOT THEY WOULD BE CHARGING $55.

BUT IF I HAVE TO GET MY OWN INSURANCE TO RENT A U-HAUL, IT'S A HUGE PAIN. IS THERE A WAY TO DO THIS-- AND A SURETY BOND-- I'VE NEVER BOUGHT ONE.

AND-- WE PASS THIS, AND NOW YOU HAVE TO START BUYING A SURETY BONDS? BUT THE SPECIAL EVENTS ARE FULLY CONTAINED ON CITY PROPERTY. WHICH-- A SURETY BONDS SHALL BE DEPOSITED WITH THE CITY AND NOT UP TO 15,000-DOLLAR CONDITIONS OF DAMAGE TO BE DONE TO CITY PROPERTY.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

I HAVE TO WRITE A CHECK FOR 15 GRAND.

WHO DO I GO TO GET IN A SURETY BOND?

>> GREAT QUESTION. JUST PROVIDING A BIT OF INSIGHT.

I MADE A FEW CALLS ON A COUPLE INSURANCE AGENTS HERE.

SAYING WHAT'S THE PRICE OF MEETING AND A SURETY BOND.

AND WITH THE FEE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

FOR ABOUT A 15,000-DOLLAR A SURETY BOND, IT DEPENDS ON YOUR CREDIT. IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU'RE AT.

BUT A GOOD RULE OF THUMB IS ABOUT $150 FOR THAT FEE FOR THAT SERVICE. THAT'S JUST A SURETY BOND.

IT DEPENDS ON IF YOU'RE GOING TO BOUNCE HOUSES, THAT WILL INCREASE THE LIABILITY. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALCOHOL-- OR IF YOU ARE JUST BLOCKING THE STREET, IT'S NOT AS BIG OF A LIABILITY AS THE BOUNCE HOUSES OR ALCOHOL OR SOME TYPE OF OT

OTHER. >> LET'S JUST SAY THAT MY INSURANCE WAS $150. AND NOW HAVE TO, ON ANOTHER 150.

AND WHAT IS THAT BOND FOR SPECIFICALLY.

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>> TO TEAR DOWN THE PROPERTY. >> WHAT'S THE INSURANCE FOR.

>> THE INSURANCE PROTECTS THE CITY IN CASE THERE IS A LAWSUIT.

>> IT'S MORE THE LAWSUIT, THE LIABILITY.

>> THE INSURANCE IS LIKE A PARTIAL PROTECTION.

AND A SURETIES' PROPERTY PROTECTION.

>> THAT IS RIGHT. >> YOUR ANTI-FEES.

WOULD YOU RATHER CHARGE PEOPLE $100? OR YOU GET 150 REGARDLESS. OR WOULD YOU RATHER THE CITY SAY IT'S $250 AND WE PUT THAT MONEY TO THE SIDE SO WHEN THEY DO DAMAGE-- BECAUSE IF IT'S DAMAGE THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME AFTER THEM, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE GOING TO GO YOU GUYS TORE UP THE GYM BUILDING AND YOU GUYS A WAS MONEY.

SO WHY NOT JUST TAKE THE MONEY. >> HOW MAY TIMES ARE WE AT AN EVENT IN THE HUTTO WHERE WE'VE SAID IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE HAD IN A SURETY BOND AND WE CAN GET PAID BACK FOR THIS.

>> IT HAPPENED RECENTLY. >> HOW MANY TIMES.

>> IT WASN'T AT BUSINESS FAST I CAN ASSURE YOU.

>> I HAVE NOT TAKEN OVER SPECIAL OPERATIONS IN A FEW YEARS.

IN THAT TIME IT'S HAPPENED ONE TIME.

THEY DID END UP PAYING FOR IT. IT TOOK A LOT LONGER THAN

CALLING AND A SURETY BOND. >> HERE IS MY THING.

EVERYTHING WE DO WITH TAXES, THE FEAR IS THAT IT COULD HAPPEN.

IT'S HAPPENED ONE TIME WHEN THE PERSON WAS A GOOD CITIZEN AND

THEY COVERED IT. >> AND EVERY TIME WE DO HAVE IN A SURETY BOND, HOW DOES THAT WORK OUT.

WE HAVE TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY TO USE THE A SURETY BOND.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. >> WHAT ABOUT LEAVING WITH THE

$500 DEPOSIT? >> DEPOSIT, OR CHARGE AN EXTRA 1500 BUCKS. AND PUT IT INTO SELF-INSURANCE.

GRANTED SOMEONE CAN TEAR SOMETHING UP, BUT FOR THE COUNCIL, WHAT IS THE FEAR? END IF THE FEAR IS TEARING STUFF UP, TO YOUR POINT, IT'S NOT HAPPENING.

>> I DON'T HAVE A FEAR OF IT HAPPENING BECAUSE HISTORICALLY

IT HAS NOT. >> WE STILL HAVE STUFF TO TEAR

UP. >> WE ARE MAKING STUFF UP AT THIS POINT. THE INSURANCE I'D GET, I

UNDERSTAND THAT. >> WITH THE COMMENTS I GET, INSURANCE, I WAS HOPING THERE WILL BE SOME WAY BECAUSE IT'S A NIGHTMARE. AND A SURETY, I'D PREFER TO NOT DO THAT. AND I LIKE THE EXCEPTIONS.

>> ANY TIME THEY RENT A PARK FACILITY THERE IS A DEPOSIT.

SO WE HAVE A LITTLE SKIN IN THE GAME.

IT'S LIKE TWO TO $400, OR SOMETHING MORE, THEN WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THEIR INSURANCE OR THEIR PROVIDER TO GET SOMEONE COVERED. AND WE DO HAVE PEOPLE, EVEN WHEN COUNCIL APPROVED THE FEE OF $200, WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIKE I DON'T WANT TO CLEAN OUT THIS $200, I'LL JUST LOSE IT. IT IS FRUSTRATING, ESPECIALLY COMING IN ON MONDAY. AFTER THE LONG WEEKEND AND THE PAVILION IS TRASHED. IT'S A MESS AND IT'S NOT A GOOD

WAY TO START A WEEK. >> BUT THEY DON'T GET TO RENT A

PAVILION AGAIN? >> THEY ARE ON THE NO LIST.

>> YOU KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. THAN THEIR WIFE, THEIR KIDS

RENTED. >> MAYOR MIKE.

447. >> YOU WANT TO MOVE THE A SURETY BOND BUT HAVE THE DEPOSIT OF 500 THAT WAS ON THE RED LINE THAT

WAS STRUCK OUT? >> YES, AND NO FOR ME.

>> I DON'T WANT SOMEONE HAVING TO RENT A PAVILION, AND $500 IN-- RATHER JUST KEEP IT LIKE THIS WITH THE A SURETY BOND AND WE CAN COME BACK. IF YOU GUYS START SEEING THINGS BEING TORN UP, COME BACK AND GO IT'S GETTING OUT OF CONTROL.

THESE GUYS MAY DIFFER. JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CHURCH AND YOU HAVE A LITTLE FISH FRY, AND YOU HAVE TO PULL UP $1000 IN INSURANCE. AND WE HAVE THE GROUPS COME UP HERE AND TELL US WE NEED MONEY TO PUT THE EVENT ON.

AND YOU'RE LIKE, YEAH. >> IT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. WE HAVE A LOT OF SMALLER GROUPS AND NONPROFITS USING THE PARTS FOR FUND-RAISERS OR 5K'S.

THEY ALREADY INCUR SOME COSTS, NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER HUNDRED $50 HERE, $200 HERE. THAT IS SOMETHING COUNCIL WANTS

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TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE AWARE OF BEFORE THEY STRIVE TO ADD

SOMETHING ELSE TO THE POLICY. >> I GUESS WE WOULD AMEND THE MOTION, OR WE APPROVE THE ORDINANCE PRESENTED BUT WE STRIKE OUT THE A SURETY BOND LANGUAGE AND WE KEEP EVERYTHING ELSE THE SAME. 107089.

I GUESS IT WOULD BE TO BRING IT BACK.

YOU CAN'T STRIKE THE WHOLE PARAGRAPH.

BECAUSE THAT'S THE DEPOSIT JUST TO TAKEOUT THE A SURETY LANGUAGE

AND BRING IT RIGHT BACK. >> HOW DO YOU PRESENTED?

>> IT'S PRESENTED WITH STRIKING THE DEPOSIT.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE NO 107.089. >> IT WOULD JUST COMPLETELY GET

STRUCK. >> RIGHT.

YOU WOULD APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED WITHOUT SECTION

107-- 1.07.089? >> SECOND.

>> YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT? MAKE THE MOTION.

SNIDER AND MORRIS. >> REPEAT THAT ONE MORE TIME.

WHAT IS THE MOTION? >> TO APPROVE IT AS PRESENTED, STRIKING OUT THE LANGUAGE OF 107.089.

>> CALL THE VOTE.

[12.1. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2026-234 to reject all proposals received in response to the Data Center Study Request for Proposals. (Sara Cervantes)]

>> MOTION PASSES SEVEN TO ZERO. NEXT, CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE RESOLUTION TO REJECT ALL PROPOSALS RECEIVED IN RESPONSE TO THE DATACENTRE OR STUDY REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS.

KD, WOULD YOU LIKE TO WAIT TILL BEFORE OR AFTER?

>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES FOR THE RECORD. I BELIEVE THAT OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR AND OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES SENT OUT A MEMO TO ALL OF COUNCIL EXPLAINING WHAT WE ARE COORDINATING HERE. THIS MOTION WILL REJECT ALL THE PROPOSALS RECEIVED SO WE CAN REPUBLISH THIS WITH THE HOPES OF RECEIVING MORE-- A HIGHER VOLUME OF RESPONSES.

>> AND ALSO BECAUSE DO TO A ADMINISTRATIVE ERROR--

>> CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.

HOW DID IT GO THAT LONG WITHOUT US KNOWING?

IS THAT A SYSTEM WE NEED TO FIX? >> IT IS A SYSTEM THAT HAS BEEN FIXED. COME ON UP.

>> IT'S DISAPPOINTING. BECAUSE WE NEED TO STUDY--

>> THE USE OF THE BONFIRE PROCUREMENT SYSTEM WE HAVE THAT WE USE FOR BIDDING IS A FEW MONTHS OLD.

AND BASICALLY WE WERE REVIEWING WHAT SUBMISSIONS HAD COME THROUGH WHEN WE NOTICED IT WAS NOT ON THE WEBSITE.

AND THAT'S WHEN IT WAS CAUGHT, WITH WE HAVE THIS UNDERSTANDING AND IT'S CLOSING, AND IT'S MAYBE TWO DAYS FROM WHEN IT'S NOTICED, AND IT WAS NOT REFLECTING ON OUR WEBSITE.

AND THAT IS WHEN IT WAS CAUGHT. AND FOLLOWING THAT CATCH AND THAT INCIDENT, THE FINANCE STAFF HAS PUT IN A SECOND AND THIRD CHECK FOR THAT STAFF MEMBER TO ENSURE THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN

AGAIN. >> IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, TEAMS TOLD ME THAT WE HAD PEOPLE COME BACK FOR SOUND AND THAT

VIBRATION? >> THEY RESPONDED THAT WE DID HAVE HAD A PLETHORA OF ANALYSIS IN THEIR SUBMITTAL.

I BELIEVE VIBRATION WAS A PART OF IT.

WE ARE HOPING TO GET MORE SUBMITTALS IN.

AND WE HAD SOMEBODY ON THE PRESUBMITTAL CONFERENCE WHO WAS EXPERIENCED, WHO DID NOT AND UP EXPERIENCING A PROPOSAL.

AND WE REACHED OUT SEVERAL TIMES.

SO THIS ADDITIONAL TIME MIGHT BE BETTER IN THE LONG RUN FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD ENCOMPASSED IN THAT SCOPE OF

WORK. >> LASTLY I WOULD SAY TO THE FIRM THAT DID SO-- APPLY AND SUBMITTED IT.

THEY DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG. SO WE ARE CERTAINLY ASKING THEM TO RESUBMIT THEIR PACKET AGAIN. AND ARGUABLY WE ARE HOPING THAT WE WILL GET MORE. BUT WERE DOING IT BECAUSE WE HAD A TECHNICAL DEFICIENCY AND WE CANNOT ACCEPT IT, SO WE HAVE TO

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REDO IT AGAIN. >> OTHERWISE THEY COME UP AND

SAY WE DID SOMETHING WRONG. >> CORRECT.

>> KT? >> GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS KATIE MARTIN. I LIVE AT 228 HILTON STREET IN THE HUTTO TOWN SQUARE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WITH THE FACT THAT OUR REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL NEEDS TO BE REISSUED, I HAD A FEW THINGS THAT I WAS HOPING COULD BE ADDED OR CLARIFIED. GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE CURRENT SCOPE DOES NOT EXPLICITLY ASK FOR DVC WEIGHTED MEASUREMENTS, AND IT DOES NOT EXPLICITLY ASK FOR AMBIENT SOUND LEVELS, SAMPLE SITES, SUCH AS QUIET NEIGHBORHOODS, OR NEIGHBORHOODS ADJACENT TO ROADS. WE DON'T-- THERE ARE A FEW THINGS WE WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY. AND ADDING A RECOMMENDATION PROTOCOL FOR FUTURE PROJECTS TO MEASURE BASELINES NEAR THE SITE BEFORE CONSTRUCTION-- MEASUREMENTS AT SITES ALREADY OPERATE ON SHOW CONDITIONS, THEY DON'T ESTABLISH THE PRECONSTRUCTION BASELINE. I HAVE A LIST HERE YOU GUYS CAN REVIEW. WITH ADDITIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS THAT I HOPE WOULD LIKE TO SEE-- I WOULD HOPEFULLY LIKE TO SEE. BUT THE DVC WEIGHTED MEASUREMENTS IS THE BIG THING. AT SOMETHING MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SINCE APRIL SINCE THE DATACENTRE PROJECT. OUR CITY NOISE ORDINANCE DOES NOT COVER DBC IN ANY WAY. AND BEFORE WE CAN SET A REASONABLE DBC LIMIT, WE NEED TO BE DOING SOUND STUDIES WITH DBC MEASUREMENTS SO, SO WE CAN ESTABLISH WHAT IS THE NORM IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT IS THE NORM IN A COMMERCIAL AREA.

WHAT IS THE NORM IN A INDUSTRIAL AREA.

AND IF WE ARE PUTTING AN INDUSTRIAL AREA NEAR A RESIDENTIAL, WHAT SHOULD RESIDENTS EXPECT.

WHAT LIMITATIONS DO THEY NEED TO PUT IN PLACE.

WHAT KIND OF BARRIERS DO WE NEED TO PUT IN PLACE, BECAUSE THE CURRENT BUFFER YARDS DO NOT ACCOUNT FOR DVC.

AN 8-FOOT MASONRY WALL AND A HANDFUL OF TREES DOES NOT STOP THAT NOISE. SO IF WE CAN GET THOSE SOUND STUDIES TO ENSURE THAT THEY COVER THAT, THEN WE CAN START LOOKING AT WHAT THE APPROPRIATE MEASURES ARE FOR THE UDC AS IT IS BEING REVIEWED. THANK YOU.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU. AND THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE. I HAVE THIS THEORY THAT THE FUTURE WILL BE DATA CENTERS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AND WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE BEFORE AND WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE AFTER.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ARE TRYING TO CALL UP ONE THING AND REGULATE THEM, AND WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE QUICKLY CHANGE WHAT THEY ARE DOING, AND THEY COME UP WITH A NEW WORD, AND THEN THEY ARE NOT REGULATED ANYMORE. BUT IF WE CAN FIND OUT-- I WAS TALKING TO JAMES ABOUT THIS IN THE BEGINNING.

BASICALLY-- WHAT IS IT IF YOU LIVE OFF OF ED SCHMIDT.

AND WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT NOISE IS.

AND THAT WEIGHT, IF WE CAN PROVE THAT A DATACENTRE OR WHATEVER IT IS IS LESS OR THE SAME, THEN WE CAN WORK ON LIGHT AND VIBRATION AND OTHER THINGS. BUT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL READING IS. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WHAT WERE HEARING WAS THERE BEFORE OR AFTERWARDS AND HOW WE MEASURE IT. I DO THINK THAT EDC NEEDS TO BE

A PART OF IT. >> ESPECIALLY WITH MITIGATION EFFORTS. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR UDC TO MITIGATE THE NOISE. AND EVEN OUR DBA LIMITS IN THE NOISE ORDINANCE, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY ACCOUNT FOR CONSTANT 24/7 NOISE. MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF-- IS IF MY NEIGHBORS THROW A LOUD PARTY LATE AT NIGHT, IF THERE OVER THIS MANY DECIBELS, OR WHATEVER IT IS.

IF THAT LEVEL OF NOISE WAS HAPPENING 24 OVER SEVEN AS A CONSTANT NOISE THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT FROM AN OCCASIONAL SPORADIC NOISE. I THINK ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE REVISITED WITH THE DATA CENTER ISSUE BECAUSE THEY OPERATE 24/7.

UNLIKE INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS, UNLIKE COMMERCIAL, THOSE CLOSE AT NIGHT BUT THE DATA CENTER IS 24 OVER SEVEN.

THAT MEANS AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE CONSIDERATION OF WHAT THE LIMITS

SHOULD BE. >> WE JUST LEARNED A LOT OF THIS SOUTH TREATMENT PLANT. YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS?

>> I THINK I'VE HEARD ABOUT IT BUT YES.

>> WE'VE DONE NOTHING BUT PUT A FAN AND WE ALWAYS CAN HEAR IT.

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WE GOT SOMEONE HIRED TO GET OUT THERE AND WHAT WAS IT, JAMES? IT WAS A PIECE OF METAL THAT WAS WELDED BUT NOT WELDED ALL THE

WAY. >> ESPECIALLY SENSITIVE TO THE LOWER VIBRATIONS. EVEN IF HUMANS CAN'T HEAR IT BUT IT'S DRIVING SOMEBODY'S DOG CRAZY THAT'S GOING TO BE ITS OWN PROBLEM AND THEY MAY NOT EVEN KNOW WHY.

THAT'S WHERE ALL OF THAT COMES INTO MAKING SURE OUR SOUND STUDIES COVERING THOSE BASES SO WE ARE NOT THEN HAVING TO COME BACK LATER AND DO A SEPARATE SOUND STUDY BECAUSE OOPS WE

DIDN'T COVER THESE THINGS. >> I THINK WHEN JAMES GOT HERE WE HAD DONE THE SOUND STUDY ON TECH NINE? WHO WAS IT? DEAD MOUSE.

IT WAS DEAD MOUSE. YOU COULD HEAR THE BASS FROM DEAD MOUSE, THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL, THE ENTIRE CITY OF PFLUGERVILLE HEARD IT AND THEY HEARD IT ALL THE WAY OUT TO 45.

THE SOUND TRAVELS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE WE ARE THINKING ALL THE COMPLAINTS ARE THE BROOKLYN'S PEOPLE BUT NO THEY COULD HARDLY HEAR IT. WHEN THE MAYOR AND THE STAFF WERE EMAILING ME LIKE WE HAD NO IDEA THAT DEAD MOUSE WOULD DO

THAT TO YOU. >> WE HAD ROOFTOP AIR CONDITIONERS ON THE BUILDINGS AND THERE'S A 8-FOOT MASONRY WALL. THAT'S NOT DOING ANYTHING FOR THE ROOFTOP AIR CONDITIONER AND THE TWO STORY HOUSE YOU KNOW 10.

THERE'S NOTHING TO BLOCK THOSE. ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE SOUND STUDY SO BEFORE IT GETS REISSUED IF THAT CAN BE REVISITED AND MAKE SURE ALL THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR I THINK THAT'S GOING TO SAVE EVERYBODY TIME AND MONEY. THANK YOU.

>> DOESN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE WIND DIRECTION

AND SPEED. >> TEMPERATURE.

>> TEMPERATURE IS ALSO A FACTOR. >> CLOUDS.

I DON'T KNOW. ALL OF THAT ON THE DEAD MOUSE BECAUSE SNOOP DOG WENT LOUD. IT WAS A CLEAR NIGHT.

REMEMBER ALL THAT? >> IT CARRIES SOUND.

>> BUT HOPEFULLY AS WE'RE HAVING THE CONVERSATION THE COMPANIES THAT WILL BE APPLYING OR SUBMITTING A BID THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE WANT TO BE LOOKING FOR.

ARE THEY LOOKING AT THESE THINGS? AS THOROUGHLY AS WE'D LIKE THEM TO.

AS WE CANCEL OR REJECT ALL THE ONES AND REISSUE IT WE CAN EXPAND ON WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR.

>> WOULD COUNCIL LIKE ME TO TAKE SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE JUST HEARD AND INCORPORATE THAT? I WAS DOING SOME OF THAT NOW.

AND THEN RECIRCULATE -- >> YOU CAN PUT THAT AS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM. WE'RE JUST SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER THE RESOLUTION ON THIS ONE. SORRY.

>> IT'S FINE. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION WE REJECT

ALL OF THE PROPOSALS. >> THAT PART WE'LL ADD -- OKAY.

>> BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING.

>> IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION?

>> YOU CAN JUST DO IT AS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.

>> WE CAN ADD IT NOW? >> WE CAN DO IT NOW.

ANY DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION? PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

[13.1. Discussion of state law requirements for local option liquor elections and sales tax reduction election for emergency services districts. (Legal)]

NEXT WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION FOR A LOEMERGENCY DISTRICT. WE ARE ON 13.1.

>> IN YOUR PACKET I PUT THE STATE LAW REQUIREMENT FOR CALLING THE ELECTION ON THE ALCOHOL AND THEN ALSO THE ELECTION TO REDUCE THE SD SALES TAX UNDER TEXAS HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE. THE ALCOHOL ELECTION THAT WAS PASSED IN 2006 WAS A SMALL PART OF THE CITY LIMITS AS AREAS ANNEXED. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SEPARATE ELECTION TO BE ABLE TO SERVE ALCOHOL IN THAT AREA.

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AND SO THERE IS A PETITION BEING CIRCULATED AND THEY NEED TO GET -- WHERE DID I PUT MY NOTES? ABOUT 2880 VOTES SIGNATURES ON THE PETITION IN ORDER TO PRESENT IT TO THE CITY FOR THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO CALL THE ELECTION. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ALCOHOL ELECTION PETITION PROCESS? I GAVE YOU THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE ELECTION. HAD IT INCLUDED IN THE PACKET TO BE ABLE TO SEE. SO FOR THE SD ELECTION, TO REDUCE THE SALES TAX. IF THE PETITION IS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD AND THE NUMBER OF QUALIFIED VOTERS OF THE DISTRICT EQUAL TO AT LEAST 5% OF THE NUMBER OF REGISTERED VOTERS IN THE DISTRICT PETITIONS, THE BOARD HAS TO CALL THE ELECTION UNDER THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE SECTION 7.75.0752.

>> THERE WAS A LAWSUIT THE SUPREME COURT SETTLED.

THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT SETTLED WHERE ESD REFUSED TO CALL THE ELECTION AND IT WAS IN 2024 IS THAT RIGHT?

>> RIGHT. FOR ANY ELECTION, IF YOU PETITION AND THE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY REFUSES TO CALL THE ELECTION YOU DO HAVE THE POWER TO APPEAL THAT TO A COURT OF APPEALS AND THEN TO THE SUPREME COURT.

TO MANDATE THE ELECTION. >> COOL.

[13.2. Discussion and possible action regarding a mutual aid agreement between Hutto Fire and ESD#3. (Mayor Snyder)]

QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

ITEM 13.2 DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT BETWEEN HEALTH AND FIRE.

I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION WE START THAT PROCESS OF A MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT BETWEEN FIRE AND ESD 3.

>> SECOND. >> THE REASON I ASKED TO DO THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THERE'S ALREADY LIKE A MULTIJURISDICTIONAL CITY COUNTY DEAL.

BUT I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE AND THEY CAN WORK ON THAT AND MAKE SURE IT CAN BE AMENDED OR REVISED AND WE CAN START THE PROCESS. I DON'T ANTICIPATE IT'LL BE A QUICK PROCESS. ANY DISCUSSION?

ALL RIGHT, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON?

>> COUNCILMEMBER KING? >> COUNCILMEMBER REYNOLDS?

COUNCILMEMBER MORRIS? >> MOTION PASSES 5-2.

[13.3. Public Discussion and Clarification regarding the authorization, funding, implementation, and public communication of petition activities related to Williamson county ESD3 sales tax reduction, including the roles of the City, HEDC, SPAC and any other related / associated political committee. (Councilmember Zepeda)]

THE NEXT ITEM IS 13.3 PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND CLARIFICATION REGARDING THE AUTHORIZATION, FUNDING, IMPLEMENTATION, AND PUBLIC COMMUNICATION OF PETITION ACTIVITIES RELATED TO WILLIAMSON COUNTY ESD 3 SALES TAX REDUCTION, INCLUDING THE ROLES OF THE CITY, HEDC, SPAC, AND ANY OTHER RELATED ASSOCIATED

POLITICAL COMMITTEE. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT.

JUST TO BE CLEAR, THESE ARE QUESTIONS I PUT IT ON HERE BECAUSE THESE ARE QUESTIONS I SENT LAST WEEK A COUPLE OF TIMES TO BE REPLIED TO THROUGH THE HEDC.

TO MR. GEORGE HYDE AND HE HASN'T RESPONDED SO I THOUGHT I WOULD BE ABLE TO BRING IT OUT INTO PUBLIC DISCUSSION SPECIFICALLY WE TAKE IT DOWN PIECE BY PIECE. WHO AUTHORIZED THE FUNDING AND IMPLEMENTATION AND HOW IS THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION HANDLED THE PETITION ACTIVITIES AND THE REASON IT CAME UP IS BECAUSE I ALSO BROUGHT IN 13.4 IS THAT STARTING FROM THERE.

WHERE WAS THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS PRESENTED AND IT LED INTO HOW THE PETITIONS WERE BEING SPOKEN ABOUT PUBLICLY BY THE PETITIONERS. IT CAUSED A LOT OF PROBABLY UNNECESSARY AND UNDUE UNREST STATIC AROUND THE EFFORTS THAT WERE SET UP TO DEAL WITH THE ALCOHOL PETITION.

WHICH WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY TO GET THAT PASSED.

SO MY QUESTIONS WERE JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT WERE THE ROLES OF EACH PERSON ON THE PETITION SPECIFICALLY? I THANK DOTTIE FOR RESPONDING TO THE ROLE OF THE CITY AND THE ALCOHOL PETITION AND MAKING IT CLEAR THAT SHE HANDLED

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INFORMATION REGARDING THE LANGUAGE AND THE AUTHORIZATION OF THE PETITION REDUCING THE SD SALES TAX.

THAT LEFT ALL THE QUESTIONS UNANSWERED AND SO IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUST PUBLICLY DISCUSS AND CLARIFY THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS, THE AUTHORIZATION FUNDING, PUBLIC COMMUNICATION OF THE PUBLIC ACTIVITIES, WE LAID SPECIFICALLY TO THE SD SALES TAX REDUCTION AND BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THE CITY IS DOING. WHAT WAS THE ROLE AND WHAT'S THE AUTHORIZATION COMING FROM THE HEDC OR THE SPECIAL PACT.

EVEN WHEN WE GO BACK AND VIEW. >> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ESD PETITION.

I WANT TO REVIEW THE ALCOHOL PETITION.

I THINK YOU SAID I LOOKED AT THE ESD.

>> I'M SORRY I MISSPOKE. I APPRECIATE YOU RESPONDED TO EVERYTHING WE ASKED ABOUT BUT I ASKED ABOUT SPECIFICALLY THE ALCOHOL ONE AND YOU CLARIFIED YOU DIDN'T HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE ESD ONE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT CITY, WHICH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION BUSINESS.

IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE A PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AND CLARIFY MISCOMMUNICATIONS AND ANY MISGIVINGS OR WHO DID WHAT TO GET THIS PETITION OFF THE GROUND. THEN WE CAN MOVE INTO 13.4.

THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS. THIS PERTAINS TO HEDC.

THE SALES TAX REDUCTION DONE BY HEDC.

ARE WE EVEN ALLOWED -- CAN WE DISCUSS HEDC DISCUSSES BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THAT BOARD? HOW DOES THAT WORK?

>> MOST OF THIS EXCEPT FOR THE FUNDING IMPLEMENTATION YOU JUST DID YOUR BUDGET AMENDMENT TO APPROVE THE EXPENDITURE FOR THE HEDC. THAT'S THE ONLY INVOLVEMENT THE CITY HAS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. THE OTHER -- HOW THE COMMUNICATION AND THE PETITION ACTIVITIES, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS CHARGED TO DO AS A CHARTER IN STATE LAW. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER RELATED POLITICAL COMMITTEES ARE DOING IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL SHOULD BE SPEAKING TO. SO THE ROLE OF THE CITY IN THE ESD SALES TAX ELECTION IS MINIMUM.

YOU CANNOT TAKE A POSITION ON SAY THE PETITION GOES TO ESD AND CALLED THE ELECTION. THE ELECTION CODE PROHIBITS THE CITY FROM TAKING POSITIONS ON OPPOSITIONS.

SO THE CITY ESSENTIALLY HAS NO ROLE.

>> TO YOUR POINT ABOUT FUNDING. YOU DID AS WELL AS THE OTHER SIX

OF US. >> WE APPROVED OF FUNDING WHICH SHE WENT OVER. BUT THE FUNDING AROUND THE PETITION -- I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT NOT TRANSPARENT WITH WHAT WAS ON THE PETITION LANGUAGE.

WE AGREED TO FUND THE PETITION ACTIVITY THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS CHANGING THE INTERLOCAL TAX SHARING AGREEMENT BUT WHAT WAS WRITTEN ON THE ACTUAL PETITION IS TO REDUCE DISTRICT WIDE WHAT THE ESD SALES TAX -- THE LANGUAGE WAS SET TO REDUCE DISTRICT WIDE. IT WAS NOT COMMUNICATED TRANSPARENTLY TO CITY COUNCIL. I SAY THAT VERY TONGUE IN CHEEK BECAUSE THESE ARE THE SAME FOREIGN INDIVIDUALS ON THE BOARD MAKING THE DECISIONS THAT SIT ON THE COUNCIL OF.

I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. I THINK IT'S WORTH EXPLORING HOW THAT CAME ABOUT. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET DOWN TO. WE'RE GOING TO SIT UP HERE AND ACT LIKE THERE'S NO AG D.C. HERE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THEN THAT'S HOW IT'S GOING TO SIT. IT'S GOING TO BE THOSE QUESTIONS UNANSWERED HOW WE GOT DOWN TO THAT POINT.

>> I THINK THE PROBLEM WHAT DOTTIE POINTED OUT.

YOU'RE TRYING TO GET MORE INFORMATION AND GET THINGS ANSWERED. I THINK THE PROBLEM IS WITH OUR ROLE AS CITY COUNCIL WE CAN ONLY DO THE THING WE DID WHICH IS APPROVE THE BUDGET. AS THIS BOARD WE CANNOT SPEAK ON

BEHALF OF HEDC AGAINST. >> YOU CANNOT USE THE CITY OF HUTTO RESOURCES TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE ELECTION.

YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT. THIS IS ALL RESOURCES.

OTHERWISE WE ARE GOING TO GET SUED OUT HERE PETITIONING FOR THINGS. WE'RE UP HERE USING RESOURCES FOR THINGS. IT JUST BE FULL TRANSPARENCY.

HERE THE QUESTIONS WE'RE TRYING TO OFFER.

WHEN IT COMES TO GOVERNMENT AND BODY OPTIMIZATION YOU WANT THE

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PURPOSE OF EACH PETITION AND THE RECORDS IDENTIFY WHETHER ALCOHOL IN THE EFFORTS WERE SPECIFICALLY AUTHORIZED AND ADMINISTERED.

YOU HAVE THE MATERIALS WHEN THEY GOT INTO PRESENTATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO FUNDING AND PAYMENT TRAIL.

YOU WANT THE SOURCE OF ALL FUNDING USED FOR EACH DEFENDING EFFORT. THE ACCOUNT A THE PURCHASE ORDES AND INVOICES AND REIMBURSEMENTS, RECEIPTS, CHECKS, TOTAL RECORDS.

YOU WANT ALL RECORDS IDENTIFYING ANY PRIVATE FUNDING AND CONTRIBUTIONS AND SUPPORT REIMBURSES OR CAUTIONARY AGREEMENTS. CLEAR THE EXPENDITURE UP TO $190,000 BETWEEN ALCOHOL. THERE WERE THREE PETITIONS AND ANY OTHER SERVICE ACTIVITY. THEN WHEN IT COMES TO CONTRACTORS AND SUBCONTRACTORS AND PETITION CIRCULATORS YOU WANT .THE IDENTITY OF EVERY CONTRACTR INVOLVED.

YOU WANT THE COMPENSATION STRUCTURE FOR CONTRACTORS AND CIRCULATORS INCLUDING WHETHER THE PANEL IS PERFORMANCE BASED OR CALCULATED THROUGH ANOTHER RECORD.

YOU WANT THE BACKGROUND QUALIFICATION AND COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS IMPOSED ON THE CONTRACTOR AND CIRCULATORS.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE CLINICAL COMMITTEE YOU WANT THE COMPLETELY LEGAL NAME OF EVERY COMMITTEE FORMED AND CONTEMPLATED. YOU WANT THE DOCUMENTATION OF THE COMMITTEES, OFFICERS, ORGANIZERS, BANK ACCOUNT, CAMPAIGN FINANCE FILINGS. YOU WANT THE RECORDS SHOWING WHEN AND BY WHOM THE COMMITTEE WAS AND IS DIRECTED.

YOU WANT COMMUNICATIONS AMONG CITY PERSONNEL, HEDC, CONTRACTORS, CIRCLE REGULATORS, YOU WANT ALL THE RECORDS DEMONSTRATING THE FINANCIAL AUTHORIZATION OFFICE BETWEEN CITY AND PUBLICLY FUNDED ACTIVITY OR HEDC ACTIVITIES.

I'M NOT DONE. WHEN IT COMES TO PETITION YOU WANT EVERY DRAFT AND FINAL VERSION OF THE PETITION INCLUDING THE EXACT WORDING PRESENTED TO SIGNERS.

YOU CAN LOOK AT THE PETITION IN FACT.

YOU WANT THE PETITION OF THE ORGANIZATION THAT'S REVIEWED, AUTHORIZED, AND COMMUNICATIONS CONCERNING THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE ELECTION EFFECT, TAX EFFECT, SIGNATURE ACQUIREMENTS OR GEOGRAPHICAL ELIGIBILITY. YOU WANT THE RECORD SHOWING WHO GAVE THE FINAL PETITION APPROVED AND WHO AUTHORIZED PUBLIC.

YOU WANT THE REVIEW INCLUDING THE DATE AND SCOPE OF THE REVIEW. YOU WANT THE VERSION HISTORIES, DOCUMENTED METADATA. EMAILS AND INSTRUCTIONS CONCERNING REVISIONS. YOU WANT THE RECORDS IDENTIFYING WHETHER ANY PETITION LANGUAGE WAS CHANGED AFTER CIRCULATION OF THE GAME. HOW PREVIOUSLY SIGNATURES WERE HANDLED. WHEN IT COMES TO THE QUALITY AND TRAINING YOU WANT EVERY SCRIPT A TALKING POINT, HAND OUT, FLIER, DIGITAL MESSAGE, SOCIAL MEDIA INSTRUCTION, VERBAL GUIDANCE APPLIED TO CIRCULATORS. YOU WANT ALL MATERIALS AND RECORDS SHOWING WHO CONDUCTED, ATTENDED, AND CIRCULATED TO TELL RESIDENTS. THE INSTRUCTIONS CONCERNING THE RELATIONSHIP AND THE AGED THE QUALITY CONTROL STANDS.

AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO COMPLAINTS, DIRECTIONS, CONTRACTOR PERFORMANCE, WE WANT THE COMPLAINTS AND EMAILS OR RECORDINGS OR OTHER THINGS WE SEE.

THE COMMUNICATIONS DISCUSSING THE ACCURATE INFORMATION.

THE CORRECTIVE INSTRUCTIONS OF COURSE FOR MEASURES.

THE CONTRACTOR PERFORMANCE REPORTS.

THIS IS BOLDED SO THIS MIGHT BE MORE IMPORTANT.

YOU WANT RECORDS SHOWING THE PETITION CIRCULATION IS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE AFTER A REPORTED. AS I SAID, I THINK YOU NEED A LITTLE LESS AI AND JUST WORDS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR BECAUSE YOU'RE ASKING FOR STUFF I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE PEOPLE DOING THIS KNOW AND I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY HAS EVERY SINGLE THING YOU WANT. YOU'RE COMING TO THE CITY.

EVERYBODY KEEPS SAYING IT'S NOT A CITY IT'S A. ESD THING.

WHILE WE SET UP HERE, I'M NOT ADDRESSING WHAT YOU DO IN YOUR DAY JOB BECAUSE THAT'S A SEPARATE THING.

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YOU NEED TO GO TO YOUR DAY JOB AND DO THAT.

THE EDC HAS THEIR THING. THINGS GET APPROVED BY THE CITY.

SOME OF THIS IF YOU WANT USE AI TO GET THE ANSWERS BECAUSE SOME OF THIS YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS TO GET THE PETITION SIGNED. AI IT.

AI CHARGES $400 TO ANSWER SOME OF THIS STUFF.

IT FEELS LIKE HONESTLY LIKE YOU WANT SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK. THAT'S THE ESD.

IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT WHAT SIGNATURES COUNT AND HOW THAT HAPPENS DO THAT. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT A. SPAC IS. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A. SPAC IS. YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT IS? YOU'LL HAVE TO I GUESS GOOGLE IT OR SOMETHING.

>> I'M LOOKING FOR THE PERSPECTIVE FROM THE DIRECTION THAT THE EDC ACTED. IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S JUST A

GENERAL QUESTION. >> THE REASON I ASK THIS OF THE EDC THE EMAILS THAT YOU'RE READING IS BECAUSE I WANT THOSE REPLIES AND RECORD FROM THE EDC. THAT'S WHY.

>> IT'S ONE THING YOU'RE LIKE YOU CAN SAY GOOGLE SOMETHING BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT WAS IT THAT THIS GOVERNING BODY USED TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AND CAME UP WITH THE FINAL LANGUAGE OF THAT

SPECIFIC POSITION? >> NUMBER ONE YOU DIDN'T ASK EDC ANYTHING. YOU ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY.

>> NO, I DID -- >> IT SAYS FROM KARINA ZEPEDA MONDAY OCTOBER 26 TO DANNY PALUMBO, JAMES EARP.

>> THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED. THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED BECAUSE IT INCLUDED THE QUESTIONS ON THE SALES TAX.

DOTTIE RESPONDED IMMEDIATELY WITH HER PART OF IT BUT WHAT I DIDN'T GET BACK ANY ANSWERS FROM MISTER HYDE.

I CAN ONLY IMAGINE -- I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR HIM WHY HE

HASN'T REPLIED TO ANY OF IT. >> HE CAN'T REPLY TO AN EMAIL TO ME. I CAN'T CALL HIM UP AND SAY HEY, GEORGE, I GOT THIS EMAIL. HALF OF IT IS WORK YOU'VE DONE FOR THE EDC. LET ME FORWARD IT TO YOU SO THAT YOU CAN ANSWER IT. I CAN'T DO THAT AND HE CAN'T ANSWER SOMETHING THAT I WOULD GIVE HIM LIKE THAT.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE HEDC BOARD AND ASK HIM TO RAISE THE

QUESTIONS. >> POINT OF ORDER BECAUSE I WANT TO CLARIFY. FROM THE LEGAL STANDPOINT WE CANNOT DISCUSS THIS. IS THAT CORRECT? I MEAN THERE'S NOT REALLY ANYTHING FOR US TO DISCUSS UNFORTUNATELY. BECAUSE WE DID WHAT WE ARE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO DO AND ALLOWED TO DO WHICH IS APPROVED THE EXPENDITURE FROM THE EDC. AND THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO.

IS THAT -- HOLD ON. IS THAT PRETTY MUCH CORRECT?

>> RIGHT. THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION AND PUBLIC ACTIVITIES IS SOMETHING THE CITY COUNCIL CAN'T ADDRESS.

THE SALES TAX REDUCTION. THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM IT'S A PETITION PROCESS. IF THE PETITION GOES TO ESD THEN THEY HAVE TO APPROVE IT. IF IT MEETS THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS. THEN THE POLITICAL COMMITTEE AND THINGS LIKE THAT CAN BE INVOLVED IN.

>> THANK YOU. >> TALKING TO ALL OF COUNCIL?

>> I MEAN I CAN'T SEND IT TO ALL OF COUNCIL.

I SENT IT THROUGH THE CITY SECRETARY.

>> WHAT I GOT HER QUESTIONS AND I ANSWERED IT IN A FORM.

THE COUNCIL GOT THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE DIRECTED TO ME. NOT THE ORIGINAL EMAIL.

>> IT WAS IN THE LEGAL MEMO, JIM.

>> HER QUESTIONS WERE PUT IN THE --

>> I'M ON THE COUNCIL. WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM BUT I DON'T HAVE THIS INFORMATION THAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SO HOW DO I

RESPOND TO THIS? >> DOTTIE SENT IT TO US.

>> A MEMO BUT NOT THE ORIGINAL EMAIL.

>> IT WAS PART OF IT. >> RIGHT I PUT IN THE MEMO YOU HAVE ASKED ME THESE QUESTIONS AND I JUST TOOK THE QUESTIONS VERBATIM FROM THE EMAIL. I DID NOT ALTER ANY OF THEM.

>> THERE ARE LONG ONES SO YOU MIGHT HAVE STOPPED AFTER THE THIRD PAGE OF QUESTIONS. OKAY.

ALL THESE PEOPLE COST MONEY. IF YOU GOT QUESTIONS JUST ANSWER IT. WHEN YOU SEND OUT 100 QUESTIONS AND HALF OF THEM YOU CAN GET BECAUSE YOU EITHER VOTED ON THE ITEMS AND IT'S BEEN IN THE PACKET INFORMATION ALL SUMMER OR YOU CAN GOOGLE IT TO FIND OUT WHAT SIGNATURES COUNT.

IT DOES NOT COME ACROSS AS BEING SERIOUS.

IT COMES ACROSS MORE AS SOMETHING OTHER THAN THAT BECAUSE A LOT OF YOUR QUESTIONS ARE JUST -- WE HAVE TO DO SOME

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OF OUR OWN RESEARCH. THEY CAN'T PROVIDE US EVERYTHING. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT, WE DON'T HAVE ONE. OTHER ENTITIES HAVE THEM.

WE DON'T HAVE THEM. >> DI HAVE A RESTRICTION AND IT

CANNOT BE VIEWED. >> NO.

>> IT WAS MORE RECENT. >> 2026 AT 5:02:00 P.M.

>> YOU'RE STILL ON PROBATION. >> HEY, BUD, YOU GOT TO HIT A FULL YEAR BEFORE YOU GET FULL ACCESS TO YOUR EMAIL.

[LAUGHTER] RIGHT.

>> AND THEN ITEM 13.4 WHICH IS RELATED AND THAT ONE SAYS

DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION -- >> HOLD ON.

ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO DISCUSS ON 13.3? CITY'S NOT RELATED TO ANY OF THIS.

IT AMAZES ME THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO SERVED UP HERE AT THE TIME THEY DID AND NOT TELL THE PUBLIC THE CITY NEEDS TO DO THIS AND THAT. THE CITY IS NOT INVOLVED.

THAT CLEARLY IS THE COMMUNICATION THAT THE CITY HAS.

THE EMAILS OTHER THAN WHAT'S BEEN SENT AROUND TO.

>> MOVING ON IF WE ARE DONE AT 13.4 DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE --

>> HOLD ON. I READ THEM.

IS EVERYONE DONE WITH 13.3? >> I STILL DON'T HAVE THIS INFORMATION. I'M SITTING HERE BLIND.

>> YOU'LL BE JUST AS CONFUSED AS I WAS.

>> HARD TO RESPOND TO IN ACTION -- I MEAN AGENDA ITEM WHEN I

[13.4. Discussion and possible action regarding transparency, spending authorizations and public information concerning petition activities related to ESD3, including supporting records, financial accounting and a public information report from HEDC board and City staff (if and where applicable). (Councilmember Zepeda)]

DON'T HAVE. I DON'T KNOW.

>> DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING TRANSPARENCY, SPENDING AUTHORIZATION, PUBLIC INFORMATION REGARDING PETITION ACTIVITIES RELATED TO ESD 3 INCLUDING SUPPORTING RECORDS FINANCIAL ACCOUNTING AND PUBLIC INFORMATION FROM HEDC.

WHERE APPLICABLE. IT'S THE SAME THING.

IT IS ALL EDC RELATED. >> I DON'T THINK THE CITY HAS ANY OF THIS. OF THIS INFORMATION.

>> WE GOT THE FINANCIAL COUNTY BECAUSE THEY DO THE WORK SO THEY WOULD HAVE -- FINANCE WOULD HAVE WE PAY THEM -- BUDGET $92,000 THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AT THE LAST MEETING.

7000 DON'T HAVE THAT. >> I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE THE BUDGET APPROVAL BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ANY INVOICES OR ANYTHING TO DATE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WILL BE A FINANCIAL ACCOUNTING AND PUBLIC INFORMATION REPORT FROM HEDC.

THAT'S NOT TYPICALLY SOMETHING. ONCE THEY ENTER INTO THE CONTRACT AND THE PERSON GOES OUT AND GETS THE PETITION SIGNATURES THEN AFTER THEY HAVE COLLECTED THE SIGNATURES THEY TURN THEM IN INVOICE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WILL BE A DOCUMENT LIKE THAT BUT IT DOES NOT EXIST TODAY.

>> DID YOU GET HIS CARD AND TALK TO HIM?

>> I DID TALK TO HIM. DOTTIE OUTSIDE OF THAT.

S COUNCIL I ASKED THE QUESTION TO THE EDC.

HOW DO I GET THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED? AND NOT JUST IN CONVERSATION BUT VERY SPECIFICALLY ASKING FOR

DOCUMENTATION. >> WHEN THE DOCUMENTATION IS SUBMITTED I BELIEVE THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT DOES THE HEDCA ACCOUNTING. WHEN IT'S SUBMITTED THE CITY MANAGER IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT SENDS YOU WHATEVER ACCOUNTING

WAS DONE AND INVOICE SUBMITTED. >> SPECIFICALLY FOR WHATEVER THE EDC PAID FOR AND HOW IT'S PROCESSED IN ALL OF THAT.

ALL OF THE THINGS I'M ASKING TO PETITION LANGUAGE.

EARLIER WE UNDERSTOOD AS COUNCIL WERE IMPROVING IS TO SUPPORT THE PETITION THAT WOULD CHANGE THE SHARING AGREEMENT.

WHAT WAS ON THE PETITION WAS TO REDUCE THE ENTIRE DISTRICT'S TAX

FOR THE ESD. >> WE DID SOME TML LEGISLATIVE AGENDA ITEMS ON THOSE ISSUES. YOU HAVE TO CHANGE STATE LAW TO GET THE SALES TAX SHARING AMOUNT REDUCED.

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THAT'S A STATE LAW CHANGE. TO REDUCE THE ESD SALES TAX BECAUSE THE INFORMATION ON HOW THE SALES TAX WAS IMPLEMENTED IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO WHEN THE CITY LIMITS WERE VERY SMALL.

MAYBE ABOUT 50 PEOPLE ACTUALLY VOTED FOR IT.

THIS GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO THE PUBLIC TO WEIGH IN ON INTRODUCING IT UNDER STATE LAW. RIGHT.

REMEMBER WE RELEASED. >> I DON'T HEAR HER ASKING THE

QUESTION THAT WAY. >> I'M NOT DONE ANSWERING THE QUESTION. SO THE PETITION THERE'S VERY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT HAS BEEN PUT ON THE PETITION AND THAT'S ALL REGULATED BY THE TAX CODE. I DID NOT REVIEW THE PETITION.

THAT'S NOT MY ROLE. IN THE EDC THE ATTORNEY WOULD REVIEW THE PETITION. IT WOULD BE THE CIRCULATOR WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE HE WENT TO PUT THE CORRECT WORDING I HIS PETITION. IN THAT SCENARIO WE HIRED THE PETITION AND HE'S HIRED TO PUT THE RIGHT LANGUAGE ON IT BUT

THERE'S NO REVIEW PUT ON THERE. >> IT'S A STATE LAW REQUIREMENT THAT WHATEVER IS ON THE PETITION IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.

INCREASE THE ESD SALES TAX OR DECREASE.

YOU DO IT IN QUARTER OR ONE EIGHTH IMPLEMENTS.

>> NOT TRYING TO BE PICKY WE DIDN'T HIRE ANY ONE.

THE EDC. WHEN YOU SAY WE IT'S THE CITY COUNCIL CONFUSING PEOPLE. WE DIDN'T HIRE ANY ONE.

WE DIDN'T TALK TO ANYBODY. ALL WE DID WAS HAVE A THREE YEARS OF EXECUTIVE SESSIONS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT --

>> POINT OF ORDER GETTING BACK TO POINT 13.3.

JAMES I. THINK YOU WERE -- >> HOLD ON YOU SAID POINT OF ORDER. THERE'S A PROCESS HERE LIKE I READ THE ITEMS YOU'RE NOT RUNNING THE SHOW.

YOU SAID A POINT OF ORDER. POINT NOT WELL TAKEN.

NOW JAMES IF YOU WANT TO ASK WHATEVER QUESTION YOU WANT TO

ASK. >> JAMES, GO AHEAD, YOU'RE GOING

TO SAY SOMETHING. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO HELP INTERPRET WHAT I HEARD YOU ASKING.

>> GO AHEAD. >> WHAT I HEARD YOU ASK WAS WHEN THE COUNCIL WAS ASKED TO VOTE TO AUTHORIZE THE FUNDING FOR THE PETITION, YOUR UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THE PETITION WOULD IMPACT THE SALES TAX SHARE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AND WHAT ENDED UP ON THE PETITION AFFECTED ALL OF THE ESD'S TERRITORY.

>> YES, THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.

>> THE BOARD JUST HAS -- THE BOARD DOESN'T NEED THE PETITION.

>> AND THAT IS TRUE. THE STATE LAW ALLOWS THE BOARD TO CALL THE ELECTION AND REDUCE OR INCREASE THEIR SALES TAX.

>> THAT FOLLOW UP IS YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND STRIP AWAY ALL THE FUNDING AND REDUCE THE FUNDING TOTAL NOT BY PIECEMEAL AND THEY'D CALL ANOTHER ELECTION IN NOVEMBER IN AREAS OUTSIDE THE CITY. IS THAT RIGHT?

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD DO IN THAT INSTANCE.

I BELIEVE THEY COULD DO THAT. BUT DON'T QUOTE ME.

I HAVE NOT RESEARCHED IT BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S CORRECT.

>> OKAY. I THINK JUST TO SUMMARIZE THE PROBLEM IS THIS IS JUST ME. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REST OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL THINK. TO HAVE IT REPRESENTED THAT WAY THERE WOULD BE MORE DISCUSSION AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO WEIGH IN AND SAY THAT'S NOT AN ACTION.

HOW DO WE WANT TO APPROACH THIS? THAT'S THE POINT OF FIGURING OUT WHAT LANGUAGE AND WHAT WAS PRESENTED AND HOW IT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL. OR SUPPORT THE FUNDING ON.

>> WE WERE ASKED TO APPROVE THE FUNDING OF THE PETITION BUT WITH THE INTENTION AND THE RAMIFICATIONS.

>> DID YOU ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT WERE NOT ANSWERED AT THE

TIME TO APPROVE IT? >> IT WAS NOT EVEN WRITTEN IT WAS NOT WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT INDICATED THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN WHICH IS THE INCREMENTAL COMPLETE DISTRICT WIDE REDUCTION. BUT IF IT WAS WRITTEN THAT WAY PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE IT IS SO I CAN REVIEW IT AND I WILL STAND

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CORRECTED. >> I DON'T KNOW.

I VOTED FOR IT. I DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE I HAVE READ CHAPTER 775 FRONT TO BACK AND I UNDERSTAND HOW THE SALES TAX PROCESS WORKS.

I UNDERSTAND WHO HAS TO DO A PETITION, WHO CAN CALL THE VOTES, HOW IT ALL HAPPENS. FOR ME IT MIGHT BE BECAUSE I

UNDERSTAND 775. >> GOOD FOR YOU BUT I DIDN'T AND I DON'T THINK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

IT'S OUR DUTY AND DUE DILIGENCE TO ASK THESE KIND OF QUESTIONS.

>> I'D ASK BEFORE YOU VOTE. >> WE DID ASK BUT THE RESPONSE WE GOT WASN'T WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME OF THE PETITION BECAUSE WE HAD THESE QUESTIONS. WHAT WE WERE PURSUING AND WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, ALL THE CONVERSATION WAS AROUND CHANGING THE SALES TAX SHARE AND AGREEMENT.

THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. >> THERE WASN'T A SINGLE QUESTION. YOU DIDN'T ASK ANY QUESTIONS AND

IF YOU DID. >> BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS ALWAYS PRESENTED. HEY BY THE WAY THIS IS GOING TO TURN INTO US GOING AFTER THE SALES TAX ALLEGATION DISTRICT WIDE AND GOING THROUGH WHAT MR. HYDE CALLS THE TORTUROUS METHOD OF GETTING THERE THEN IT WOULD HAVE CALLED FOR MORE CONVERSATIONS. ON THE COUNCIL SIDE.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT. BUT AS FAR AS APPROVING THE FUNDING FOR THE PETITION THAT WAS GOING TO SPECIFICALLY END IN

THAT RESULT. >> NOT THE COUNCIL.

WHEN YOU SAY US. >> NOT TO GET OFF THE TOPIC THAT'S THE PROBLEM OF HAVING PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO GET THE OVERSIGHT AND IT MAKES IT CONFUSING.

>> IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ONE.

>> THERE WERE UNANIMOUS VOTES. I BELIEVE MEMBERS OF THE EDC TAKE DIRECTION AND HOLD IN HIGH REGARD THE DIRECTION OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE CHAIR AND CO-CHAIR.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT BUT I BELIEVE MEMBERS TAKE DIRECTION FROM THE LEADERSHIP. ALL OF THE VOTES ARE UNANIMOUS WITH REGARDS TO THE ESD, SALES TAX SHARING WITH THE CITY.

THAT'S ON RECORD. THERE ISN'T ANY HIJACKING.

>> BACK TO THE CITY BECAUSE THIS IS CONFUSING.

THERE IS WE AND US. >> DON'T SPEAK FOR ME.

I DIDN'T SAY -- >> POINT OF ORDER.

>> POINT WELL TAKEN. ANYTHING ELSE ON 13.4?

[13.5. Consideration and possible action relating to the City' Semi-Annual Report to Williamson County Emergency Services District # 3 Interlocal Agreement for Stales Tax Sharing, dated May 7, 2026. (Legal)]

>> 13.5. CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO THE SEMIANNUAL REPORT AND EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT NUMBER THREE IN LOCAL AGREEMENT? FOR SALES TAX SHARING.

DATED MAY 7TH 2026. >> IT'S THE FIRST OF OUR TWO

REPORTS. >> SEMIANNUAL REPORT I PUT THE AGREEMENT IN THE AGENDA ITEM AND QUOTED THE SECTION THAT REQUIRES THE REPORT. I BELIEVE FINANCE DEPARTMENT PUT TOGETHER THE REPORT SO THE DIRECTION WOULD BE A MOTION TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO SEND THE REPORT.

IT HAS TO BE DONE WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF THE MAY 7TH 2026 APPROVAL. SO TOMORROW WOULD BE IDEAL DAY

TO GET IT OVER THERE. >> YEAH, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IF

WE DEFAULT. >> WE'VE BEEN SUBMITTING THE REPORTS. I DID NOT ALLOW STAFF THE ABILITY TO MISS A DAY. WE ARE SENDING THEM MORE OFTEN THAN TWICE A YEAR. JUST FOR THAT VERY REASON.

BUT THIS IS THE OFFICIAL ON THE RECORD COUNCILS DIRECTED US TO DO IT. BUT JUST FOR Y'ALL WE'VE ALREADY

BEEN REPORTING. >> THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE WE HAD AN AGREEMENT AND RESENT IT BEFORE FOR A HEARING IN 2023.

WHEN THE LANGUAGE SAYS THE CITY SHALL PROVIDE ANNUAL REPORTS TO WCE TO DEMONSTRATE USE OF FUNDS RECEIVED AS A RESULT OF THE AGREEMENT I TELL YOU TO PROVIDE SEMIANNUAL REPORTS SUBJECT DETERMINATION BY THE CSD. THAT MAKES ME NERVOUS BECAUSE I FELT LIKE -- HOW DO YOU -- ANOTHER PART OF THIS IS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PROVIDING THEM -- WE CAN ONLY SPEND MONEY ON NEWLY

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ANNEXED PROPERTIES. HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT THAT I GUESS WHAT IS A NEWLY ANNEXED PROPERTY? NEWLY ANNEXED IN 2026, 2025, 2024? IF WE PUT A WATER LINE IN AND THE PROPERTY ANNEXED IN 2023 IS THAT NEWLY ANNEXED OR IS THAT ONLY 2026 OR CAN WE ONLY SPEND THE MONEY AFTER WE ANNEXED IT? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? NORMALLY WE PUT THE LINE IN AND WE ANNEX IT IN.

>> WE BUILT A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT WILL SERVE THE PROPERTIES. WE'LL MAKE PAYMENTS ON THOSE FOR 30 YEARS. PRETTY MUCH ALL THEIR MONEY GOES STRAIGHT TO MAKING A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT FOR THE NEXT 30