COOL. WOW. ALL RIGHT, I SHOW THAT IT IS 703.
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SO WITH THAT, WE WILL CALL THIS SESSION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR FEBRUARY 1ST, 2022 TO ORDER AT 7:03 P.M..ROLL CALL. LET'S SEE. WE HAVE RANDALL CLARK.
PRESENT. DAVID MEYER. NOT PRESENT.
KURT. WOW. BUTCHERED THAT ONE.
SUSANNA AND I MISS SUSANNA BOYER.
ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
NOW I DO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD FOR ITEM 4.3.
IS THAT WHEN YOU FOR MISS GINA CHEN? YEAH. I CAN WAIT FOR THIS.
OKAY, PERFECT. ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY, THEN WE WILL MOVE RIGHT ALONG TO AGENDA ITEM 4.1 CONSIDERATION.
POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING. MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JANUARY 4TH, 2022.
AND WERE THERE ANY COMMENTS CORRECTIONS QUESTIONS? YEAH, I JUST HAD A SMALL QUESTION. SO FOR FOR THREE I KNOW IT WASN'T PART OF THE MOTION THAT WE MADE, BUT I KNOW PART OF THE CITY AGREEMENT WHEN WE HAD HAD THE DISCUSSION, HAD THE STIPULATION ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY, NOT BEING ABLE TO BUILD WITHIN THAT FOR FIVE YEARS. BUT APPARENTLY THAT WAS PART OF A SEPARATE CITY AGREEMENT IN MARCH OF 2020.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD ENSURE THAT, AS A NOTE THAT'S ADDED TO THE MINUTES? SO THAT WAY WHEN WE RELOOK AT THEM IN THE FUTURE, WE'LL WE'LL NOTE ABOUT THAT AGREEMENT ON 43.
CERTAINLY WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE. WE'LL MAKE THE CHANGE.
AND THEN I'LL CALL YOU WHEN WE HAVE A READY FOR SIGNATURES. PERFECT. SO I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED WITH THE PROVISION THAT COMMISSIONER MADE.
SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK TO APPROVE WITH THE ADDITIONS.
AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LAWYER BOYER.
SORRY. MESSING UP. ALL RIGHT ANY FURTHER COMMENT? QUESTION? DISCUSSION. THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
NEXT ITEM 4.2. CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY, KNOWN AS 208 WEST AUSTIN AVENUE AND 201 WEST FRONT STREET, TO ALLOW A WAREHOUSE USE.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. THIS REQUEST YOU ALSO HAVE IT LATER ON IN YOUR AGENDA FOR A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A REPLAT.
IT'S MADE UP OF SEVERAL LOTS IN AN ALLEYWAY IN THE OLD TOWN EDITION.
A IT'S IN THE OLD TOWN OVERLAY DISTRICT AS WELL, SO THEY'RE REPLATTING IT SO THAT THEY CAN BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE.
THIS IS A MULTI-STEP PROJECT THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, BUT THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS STRICTLY FOR A WAREHOUSE USE IN THE SPECIAL DISTRICT.
THEY'RE PROPOSING A 12,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE SHOWROOM AND WAREHOUSE.
THEY HAVE PROVIDED A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN.
IT'S NOT GONE THROUGH OUR SITE PLAN PROCESS OR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL, BUT THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP TO SEE IF THEY CAN EVEN DO THE USE.
SO THEY DO HAVE QUITE A BIT MORE FOR THAT.
THIS IS THE AREA THEY DO HAVE FRONTAGE ON WEST FRONT STREET AND AUSTIN AVENUE, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE JUST EAST OF THE POLICE STATION.
THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN SHOWS ACCESS ONTO AUSTIN AND TO FRONT.
AGAIN, THIS IS ALL STILL VERY PRELIMINARY.
WE HAVE TO RUN IT THROUGH FIRE LANES AND LANDSCAPING AND EVERYTHING THAT'S REQUIRED.
BUT CONCEPTUALLY, THIS IS THE SIZE AND SOME OF THE PARKING AREAS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
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WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATION TO 69 ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.WE DID RECEIVE ONE BACK IN FAVOR.
WE DO HAVE WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WITH THE CONDITION, OF COURSE, THAT HPC MUST GRANT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FIRST.
THE APPLICANTS MUST MEET ALL THE SITE DESIGN CRITERIA.
ONLY ONE DRIVEWAY IS PERMITTED OFF OF WEST AUSTIN AVENUE.
CURRENTLY THERE ARE TWO CURB CUTS EXISTING.
THE REPLAT OF THE PROPERTY IS APPROVED AND RECORDED PRIOR TO THE SITE PLAN PERMIT ISSUANCE, AND THERE SHOULD BE NO OPEN STORAGE ON THE LOT.
THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, YOU MAY HAVE TO.
OKAY. THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:08 P.M..
AND I DO HAVE. I DO HAVE THE ONE IN FAVOR.
BUT DID ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. WELL, HEARING NONE, I WILL THEN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:09 P.M.. AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION FROM THE DAIS.
WELL, MY FIRST THOUGHT I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP TRUCKS OFF OF AUSTIN AVENUE, BASED ON THE CURRENT SITE PLAN THAT I SEE.
JUST STARTING OUT, BECAUSE THAT STREET'S NOT HANDLED FOR THAT.
AND WE'RE ALREADY GOING TO HAVE ON THAT STREET, THERE'S GOING TO BE A DRIVE THROUGH WITH TRAFFIC COMING FROM AUSTIN AVENUE FOR SOMETHING ELSE WE APPROVED LAST MONTH.
AND SO I'M JUST REALLY CONCERNED ON EVEN HOW THIS DRIVEWAY IS CONSTRUCTED.
HOW IS THIS NOT GOING TO EVEN IF IT'S ACCIDENTAL, HAVE LOTS OF TRUCKS GETTING OUT ONTO WEST AUSTIN AVENUE.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT ADDRESSED.
AND I'D LIKE TO DOVETAIL ON THAT.
ONCE THEY GET ONTO AUSTIN, THEY HAVE ONE PLACE TO GO.
SURE. AND THAT 1660 SOUTH OF THE TRACKS.
THAT IS NOT A GOOD PLACE FOR A BIG RIG TO EMERGE INTO TRAFFIC.
AND IT MAY BE MORE OF A QUESTION TO ASK THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE THE TYPE OF TRAFFIC THEY, THEY ANTICIPATE.
I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS REALLY GOING TO BE MORE OF A LOCAL OR IF IT'S GOING TO BE LARGER TRUCKS. MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD ADDRESS.
GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS RIKA.
KEEPERS. I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT.
I'M THE OWNER OF KEEPERS LAND PLANNING AND PERMITTING. THE TYPE OF BUSINESS THIS IS.
THE OWNER OWNS AN APPLIANCE COMPANY.
SO WE'RE NOT TALKING LARGE TRUCKS.
BUT SINCE THERE IS FRONTAGE ON BOTH STREETS, I KNOW THAT THEY WANT TO BE VISIBLE.
MAINLY IS THE PURPOSE OF HAVING FRONTAGE ON AUSTIN AVENUE? BUT OPEN TO DISCUSSION ON SAFETY PROTOCOLS AND OF COURSE, SO HE IS A HE IS A LOCAL HE LIVES IN HUTTO AND JUST WANTED TO BUILD SOMETHING CLOSER FOR HIS COMPANY. SO IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TYPE OF VEHICLES OR TRUCKS. I THINK I THINK THE CONCERN WAS JUST BASED ON AND I KNOW THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE REALLY ONLY APPROVING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. BUT WITH THIS PLAN, I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN WAS BASED ON THE FLOW. IF YOU ACTUALLY HAVE FULL SIZE SEMI TRUCKS IN HERE JUST BASED ON TURNING RADIUSES AND EVERYTHING, THEY WILL ULTIMATELY HAVE TO USE AUSTIN AVENUE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. AND THAT CAN CAUSE SOME ISSUES JUST BASED ON HOW THAT ROAD IS CURRENTLY SET UP AND HOW THERE REALLY IS ONLY ONE ADEQUATE EXIT OFF ON TO 1660 BECAUSE THE OTHER, THE OTHER ROAD IS IS NOT BIG ENOUGH, ESPECIALLY WITH TRUCKS.
SO YEAH. SO THE QUESTION PROBABLY IS MORE LIKE IS LIKE WHAT PERCENTAGE DO YOU FEEL WOULD BE LIKE FULL SEMI TRUCKS OR VERSUS LOCAL DELIVERY, SMALLER TRUCKS? HONESTLY I'VE NEVER SEEN I'M SORRY.
GO AHEAD. I WAS SAYING KIND OF LIKE A U-HAUL YOU KNOW SIZE TRUCK WHEN YOU THINK OF LIKE THE SMALLER DELIVERY TRUCKS.
YES. THAT IS THE NORM FOR HIS COMPANY.
HE DOESN'T OWN ANY SEMIS OR 18 WHEELERS WHATSOEVER, SO THAT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
OKAY, BUT IF IT'S AN APPLIANCE STORAGE.
WHERE? I'M ASSUMING HE'S GETTING DELIVERIES FROM LARGER.
SO HOW ARE THEY DELIVERING THOSE? LET ME CLARIFY. SO THEY THEY REPAIR APPLIANCES.
OH, OKAY. YES. YEAH. SO IT'S MORE OF THEY HAVE YOU KNOW PARTS IN THEIR VEHICLE OR IN
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THEIR TRUCKS, BUT THEY DON'T THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DELIVER APPLIANCES, SO. GOT IT. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE.FOR THE MOST, DELIVERIES WOULD POSSIBLY BE LOCAL TO RETURN TO CUSTOMERS.
OKAY. EXACTLY. THAT CHANGES A LOT.
YEAH. SMALLER, SMALLER BOX VANS INSTEAD OF 40 FOOT TRAILER.
LOCAL BUSINESS? YEAH. YEAH, EXACTLY.
I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT DRIVEWAYS.
I KNOW ONE OF OUR STIPULATIONS WAS ONLY ONE DRIVEWAY OFF OF WEST AUSTIN AVENUE, WHICH IS PERFECT. SO THE SITE PLAN HAS WHAT IT'S LABELED AS A PRIVATE ROAD TO THE BOTTOM, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE WEST.
SO THAT PRIVATE ROAD, I'M PRETTY SURE, IS ACTUALLY THE ACCESS POINT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. CURRENTLY IT IS.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE LOCATION OF IT, IT LOOKS TO BE CROSSING THIS PROPERTY LINE.
AND SO I THINK THAT THAT WILL ALL HAVE TO GET SQUARED AWAY WITH THE SITE PLAN.
THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME, SOME MINGLING OF ROADS IN THAT AREA.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE I WAS JUST MAKING SURE.
YEAH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN STILL GET IN EVEN IF THEY HAVE TO COME OFF OF AUSTIN AVENUE OR SOMETHING. WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO LET THEM TAKE AWAY THEIR ACCESS.
WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY THAT.
SO YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTION COMMENT DISCUSSION AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
SO REAL QUICK THING ON BARRIERS OR FENCING AND THIS IS PROBABLY FUTURE ONCE SITE PLANS COME IN. BUT JUST ENSURING THERE'S SOME TYPE OF BARRIER FENCING ALONG AUSTIN AVENUE IN BETWEEN THE ACTUAL ACCESS POINTS JUST TO HAVE SOME KIND OF VISUAL BREAK.
OH, SURE. WHERE THERE'S THAT EXISTING CURB.
WELL, THAT. BUT ALSO JUST ALONG THE WHOLE BACK IS WE HAVE COMMERCIAL THAT WILL BE FRONTING THE STREET WITH POTENTIAL SOMETHING ELSE BEHIND IT.
I'M PRETTY SURE RIGHT NOW COMMERCIAL IS ACTUALLY TO THE SOUTH OF THERE.
YES. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE A HUGE ISSUE.
SO SOME SORT OF SCREENING SCREENING, SCREENING? YES.
THE SCREENING WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE PARKING LOT. GOT IT. OKAY.
PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. AND ALL OF THE STORAGE OF THE APPLIANCES AND PARTS AND EVERYTHING WILL ALL BE INSIDE THE WAREHOUSE.
THERE WON'T BE ANY OUTSIDE STORAGE.
THAT'S CORRECT. AND I THINK THIS IS A NEEDED THING TO HAVE LOCAL REPAIR OF APPLIANCES WITH THE CITY.
AND THAT'D BE A GOOD BENEFIT FOR THE RESIDENTS.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD A GOOD THING.
IT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE IN HUTTO TODAY. SO IT'S A GOOD THING.
AND IT'S GREAT THAT IT'S A HUTTO RESIDENT THAT'S BRINGING HIS BUSINESS HERE, WHICH IS AWESOME. THAT'S A GOOD THING.
SO ANY FURTHER COMMENT, QUESTION OR DISCUSSION? I HAVE ONE QUESTION. ARE THEY GOING TO BE AS HE REPAIRS IT? IS HE GOING TO BE CAPTURING FREON OR ANYTHING FROM UNITS AND THEN HAVE THE POTENTIAL THAT THAT'S LEAKING OUT INTO THE ATMOSPHERE.
NO. SO ALL THE APPLIANCES ARE GOING TO BE REPAIRED IN PEOPLE'S HOMES.
HE'S WANTING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL OFFICES SO THAT HE CAN RENT THAT SPACE OUT TO LOCAL BUSINESSES. OKAY. AND IF HE HAS, LIKE, APPLIANCES THAT PEOPLE BRING INTO HIM THAT THEY REPAIR, AND THEN THE PEOPLE NEVER COME TO PICK THEM UP, THEN HE'LL PROBABLY SELL THOSE.
I KNOW I JUST SOLD A COMMERCIAL APPLIANCE PLACE IN FLORENCE LAST YEAR, AND WE HAD TO GET RID OF A LOT OF STUFF.
WOW. YEAH. YEAH. WELL, AND HE WILL HE WILL GO THROUGH THE PROPER PROTOCOLS OF DISPOSING OF ANY TYPE OF CHEMICALS THE RIGHT WAY.
ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THAT HPC MUST GRANT. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
FIRST, THE APPLICANT MUST MEET ALL SITE DESIGN CRITERIA.
THAT ONLY ONE DRIVEWAY WILL BE OFF WEST AUSTIN AVENUE, AND THAT THE REPLAT IS APPROVED AND RECORDED PRIOR TO THE SITE PLAN PERMIT ISSUANCE AND NO OPEN STORAGE OF ANY MATERIAL.
ALL RIGHT. AND DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK WITH THE INCLUSION OF THE STAFF NOTES FOR THE AGENDA ITEM REPORT AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOYER. ANY FURTHER QUESTION, COMMENT OR DISCUSSION? THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
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ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.AS TO ITEM 4.3, CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS 3250 LIMMER LOOP, TO ALLOW OUTDOOR RECREATION FACILITY USE.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS THE LOCATION.
IT'S CHRIST THE ROCK CHURCH JUST NORTH OF LIMMER LOOP, JUST WEST OF 1660. AND SO THE STAR LOCATION ON THE AERIAL IS APPROXIMATELY WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PUT THE USE.
THE APPLICANT IS WORKING WITH THE CHURCH TO REQUEST AN OUTDOOR RECREATION FACILITY, AND SO THE OUTDOOR RECREATION FACILITY, THEY UTILIZE METAL COMPLEXES FOR CONTAINERS.
AND THEN THEY PUT DOWN AN OUTDOOR CARPET AREA.
AND IT'S BASICALLY A STORAGE FACILITY.
THEN THEY HAVE CLASSES AND THEY PUT IT ALL BACK AWAY.
SO IT'S A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE.
THE CHURCH, IF IT WAS JUST THE CHURCH'S PROJECT, THEY COULD HAVE THE OUTDOOR STORAGE IN THE PORTABLE UNIT, BUT IT'S NOT DIRECTLY RELATED.
SO IT HAS TO COME IN WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR RECREATION.
THEY HAVE A SIMILAR ESTABLISHMENT IN ROUND ROCK, AND I'LL SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF THAT.
THAT STAFF FEELS LIKE WE SHOULD PROBABLY PUT ON TO THIS.
THEY ARE A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY THAN 100FT FROM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEY'RE STILL PRETTY CLOSE, AND I THINK THE CONDITIONS ARE STILL FAIR TO PUT THAT ON THEIR ABOUT THEIR OPERATING HOURS AND THEN PROHIBITING CERTAIN LOUD NOISES AND THEN JUST I WANTED TO MOVE IT BACK A LITTLE BIT AS WELL.
BUT THIS IS THEIR PROPOSED SITE PLAN WHERE THEY HAVE THE GREEN BOX.
IT'S JUST IN FRONT OF THE BUILD LINE TO THE CHURCH.
AND SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING AND I'LL SHOW YOU IN ANOTHER SLIDE, BUT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY PUSH THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK SO THAT THEY'RE EVEN WITH THE PARKING LOT. AND SO THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH PARKING ON THE GRASS OR CROSSING OVER THAT. I THINK THAT WAS A MORE APPROPRIATE LOCATION.
THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS THEIR FACILITY IN ROUND ROCK.
TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
WE DID SEND OUT NOTIFICATION TO 82 ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 600FT.
WE RECEIVED TWO RESPONSES IN OPPOSITION, AND YOU HAD THOSE IN YOUR POCKET.
WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED SNP WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THE HOURS PER THE UDC ARE 9 TO 9.
THIS BODY COULD ADJUST THAT IF THEY SEE FIT.
A NO PARKING ON THE GRASS CANNOT HAVE LOUDSPEAKERS OR EQUIPMENT THAT EMITS AUDIBLE SIGNAL SIGNALS, SUCH AS BEEPS, BUZZERS AND BELLS THAT WOULD BE AUDIBLE OFF THE SITE AND TO PUSH IT BACK.
LOCATED BEHIND THE FRONT BUILDING LINE OF THE CHURCH FURTHER NORTH SO IT'S ADJACENT TO THE PARKING LOT SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THE GRASS CROSSING.
THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE, AND I KNOW THAT THEY CAN ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE AS WELL.
ALL RIGHT. WELL, THIS DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:21 P.M..
MR. HUDSON, I BELIEVE YOU ALSO HAVE A.
GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO, HONESTLY, MY CONCERNS, THIS IS RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE.
AND SO ME AND MY NEIGHBORS ARE A LITTLE CONCERNED. JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WE WERE CONCERNED ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE NOISE AND THE HOURS.
SO I'M VERY HAPPY THAT IT'S 9 TO 9 AND NOT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST WORRIED IT'D BE LIKE FIVE IN THE MORNING OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AND WE'D FEEL GUILTY WHILE WE WERE SITTING IN OUR BEDS DOING NOTHING.
AND THEY'RE WORKING OUT. AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THE LACK OF LOUD SPEAKERS.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THE LOCATION CHANGE AFFECTS US.
DOES THAT MAKE IT FARTHER FROM OUR HOUSES? IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU, AND IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO YOU.
IT JUST MAKES IT WORK BETTER ON THE SITE, I THINK.
RIGHT. BUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE NOISE. I MEAN, THAT WAS THE ONLY CONCERN I HAD WAS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT THING.
I JUST DON'T, YOU KNOW I DON'T WANT MY DOGS BARKING ALL DAY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SCREAMING AND THEN I AM LOSING MY MIND.
SO THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT ON THIS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CERTAINLY.
ALL RIGHT. AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
DID ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SPEAK. AND SINCE I DON'T HAVE A CARD FOR YOU, CAN I GET YOUR NAME, SIR? SURE. YEAH. MY NAME IS NICHOLAS JANOWITZ.
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I'M THE OWNER OF. WHO WOULD BE THE FITNESS FACILITY.SO JUST ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE CONCERNS.
ONE, WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING LOUDSPEAKERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE'D BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. OBVIOUSLY. I DON'T WANT YOU HEARING NOISE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. WE'RE WE'RE VERY LIKE A SMALL NICHED FACILITY.
IT'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF CHILDREN, SO WE'RE NOT, LIKE, GOING TO BE BLASTING MUSIC OR ANYTHING. YES, WE WILL HAVE A LITTLE MUSIC HERE AND THERE, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE CONTAINED SO THE NEIGHBORS WON'T HEAR IT.
I CAN DEFINITELY, IF YOU EVER DID, JUST COME ON OVER AND I WILL MAKE SURE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE VOLUME OR WHATEVER IS LOW ENOUGH SO THAT YOU DON'T HEAR IT.
SO I WOULD DEFINITELY PROMISE THAT YOU HAVE MY WORD.
THE ONLY SMALL THING THAT I NOTICE ON THEIR 9 TO 9 P.M., WE DON'T EVEN STAY THAT LATE. BUT THE THING IS, WE DO SOMETIMES RUN PERSONAL TRAINING.
LIKE EARLY MORNING. I MIGHT HAVE CLIENTS AT, LIKE, NOT 5 A.M.. I THINK THE EARLIEST I DO IS 6 A.M..
BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE PLAYING MUSIC. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR ANYTHING. IT'S EVERYTHING'S SOLAR TOO.
SO THEY ALREADY COME. THEY'RE LIKE THE BOXES, THEY'RE CALLED, LIKE MOBILE GYMS, AND THEY JUST HAVE THESE HUGE OVERHEAD DOORS THAT OPEN UP, AND THEN WE CAN WE'LL OUR LITTLE EQUIPMENT OUT AND THEN PUT IT RIGHT BACK IN THERE. YEAH, THAT'S ABOUT IT.
I WAS TALKING WITH THE PASTOR AS WELL.
IF THE CONCERN IS, LIKE NOISE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
LIKE WE COULD ALSO GO IN FRONT OF THOSE POWER LINES AS WELL, WHICH HE IS FINE WITH, CLOSER TO THE STREET WHERE NOBODY'S GOING TO HEAR US. SO WE'RE FINE WITH EITHER.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT SURE IF HE HE PREFERS IT HE'S EITHER WAY, BUT YEAH, AS FAR AS THE NOISE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR IT, BUT ESPECIALLY A HUNDRED YARDS AWAY, THERE'S.
THAT'D BE IMPASSABLE OR OUR LOCATION IS THERE. WE'RE ACTUALLY, I THINK 40 YARDS AWAY AND NONE OF THE NEIGHBORS HERE. SO WE'RE EVEN CLOSER TO IT.
BUT THAT'S IT. IF ANYBODY'S GOT ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN ANSWER THEM FOR YOU.
ALL RIGHT. WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I WILL THEN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:25 P.M. AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION FROM THE DAIS.
DO WE KNOW? I SEE THE TWO PEOPLE THAT SUBMITTED OBJECTIONS.
THERE'S NO REASON OR ANY CONCERN THEY HAVE OR ANYTHING.
ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION.
SECOND WOULD BE. THE QUESTION WOULD BE, DOES THE DOES IT WORK FOR THEM IF WE HOLD THE 9 A.M. FIXED TIME? LIKE, IS THAT GOING TO MAKE IT WHERE THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE PRODUCT? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IS THAT THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT AS A BODY IS IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW A CHANGE IN THE TIME, AND IF WE'RE NOT, THEN ARE THEY OKAY WITH THAT OR ARE THEY GOING TO WITHDRAW THEIR REQUEST? SO TO ADD ON TO THAT COMMENT MOST OUTDOOR RECREATION PLACES DO START AT 5 OR 6 A.M.
SO WHERE EXACTLY IS THE 9 A.M.
RULE? IS IT IN OUR UDC? IT'S IN OUR UDC, SO I PROVIDED IT.
THIS IS WHAT OUTDOOR RECREATION CONDITION.
IF IT'S WITHIN 100FT OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO I JUST PROVIDED IT FOR YOU TO HAVE A STARTING POINT AND A DISCUSSION.
DOES IT WORK? IS IT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO KEEP? BUT IT'S IN OUR UDC. SO MY QUESTION IS, I KNOW FOR A FACT THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT MEET ON SCHOOL CAMPUSES AT 6 A.M., SO AND THAT'S DEFINITELY WITHIN 100FT OR YARDS OF A RESIDENTIAL.
AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY COMPLAINTS FROM RESIDENTS FOR THAT.
BUT MAYBE THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, BUT MY QUESTION IS, HOW ARE THEY? IS THAT A VIOLATION OF UDC, OR IS IT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY AN ESTABLISHED PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE THEY DON'T PERMISSION? I'M ASSUMING THEY DON'T HAVE A STRUCTURE AND THEY DIDN'T ASK.
THE ONES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE TRUE PORTABLE ONES THAT THEY SET UP A TABLE AND SOME MATS AND THEY DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY STRUCTURES. SO I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW. RIGHT. THE ONES I'M FAMILIAR WITH, IT'S LITERALLY SOMEBODY PULLS THEIR EQUIPMENT OUT OF THEIR VEHICLE AND GOES.
RIGHT. BUT MY POINT IS THOSE ARE THERE AT 6 A.M..
SO I'M JUST I'M JUST WONDERING IF IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS.
I MEAN, PERSONALLY, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD ADJUST THIS TO ALLOW STARTING AT 6 A.M., BUT FOR THAT WE WOULD REALLY NEED TO DISCUSS LOCATION BECAUSE I KNOW THE PROPOSED LOCATION TO MOVE IT FURTHER BACK TO LINE WITH THE BUILDING FRONTAGE AND TO LINE UP WITH THE PARKING. MAKES SENSE. BUT IF WE'RE MOVING IT CLOSER TO THE RESIDENCES,
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THEN MAKING THE TIME EARLIER MIGHT NOT WORK ANYMORE.SO YOU STILL GOT ABOUT 160FT EVEN WITH THE MOVE, EVEN WITH THE NEW LOCATION.
OKAY. AND REALLY, THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED, BASED ON THEIR SETUP, THEIR ACTUAL MODULAR BUILDINGS ARE BLOCKING THE SOUND BECAUSE THE BACKS ARE ACTUALLY TO ALL THE RESIDENCES PROVIDING THEIR OWN BUFFER.
YEAH. JUST THOUGHTS. I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE ZBA TO GET THE THE CHANGE OF THE NINE, IF THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE UDC? NO, THE UDC ACTUALLY HAS THE STIPULATION FOR CLOSER THAN 100.
SO I PUT IT IN AS GUIDELINES, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE IT.
OKAY. SO IT'S IF IT'S A THESE ARE SOME IDEAS THAT YOU CAN USE.
YOU CAN TAKE ALL OF THESE CONDITIONS AWAY OR ADD SOME ADDITIONAL ONES.
THIS IS JUST A STARTING POINT FOR YOU ALL.
I THINK HE WANTS TO COME BACK UP AND SPEAK AGAIN. IS THAT OKAY? HE WANTS TO COME BACK UP AND SPEAK AGAIN. IS THAT OKAY? CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY. YEAH.
QUESTION QUESTIONS FOR THE FROM THE DEVELOPER.
SO I APPRECIATE I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS.
THANKS. AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE REALLY DON'T PREFER PEOPLE TO PARK ON OUR GRASS.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A PARKING LOT.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOURS, THE ONLY TIME IT MAY RUN INTO A LITTLE BIT ISSUE OF AN ISSUE FROM A PARKING STANDPOINT, WHICH I DON'T REALLY THINK IT IS, IS ON THURSDAY MORNINGS WHEN WE RUN OUR MOMMY AND ME PROGRAM.
BUT NICK AND TRACY ARE SO GOOD.
ANYBODY WHO'S GOING TO COME, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM PARK IN OUR PARKING LOT, BECAUSE THAT'D BE MY OTHER CONCERN FOR, LIKE YOUR HOUSING, THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PARK ON THE GRASS, BE ROLLING IN, PUTTING THEIR HEADLIGHTS TOWARDS YOUR HOUSE.
WE DON'T WE DON'T WANT THAT EITHER.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT THE PARKING LOT. THAT'S WHY WE THINK THAT FIELD IS SO GOOD. IT'S A LOT OF SPACE THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE.
AND TO BE HONEST, IF YOU IF YOU LOOK ON OUR SIDE, LIKE WHERE OUR CHURCH IS ON OUR SIDE OF THE CITY OVER THERE, THERE'S NOTHING FOR LIKE FAMILIES AND EXERCISE AND THINGS.
AND THESE GUYS ARE I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IF WE'RE GOING TO LET THEM BE NEAR OUR CHURCH, THEY'RE PHENOMENAL WITH KIDS, PHENOMENAL WITH FAMILY THINGS, FAMILY WORKOUTS. WE'RE IN THE WORKS OF OF TRYING TO GET THIS THING THROUGH SO WE CAN DO A CAMP FOR THE COMMUNITY WITH FITNESS AND AND STUFF FOR THE SUMMER.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS ON THE TABLE TO JUST, WE BELIEVE, BENEFIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF YOU LOOK AT THE KIDS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET BECAUSE WE HAVE MEMBERS WHO COME.
THE KIDS DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO AFTER SCHOOL. THEIR PROGRAMS AFTER SCHOOL ARE GREAT WITH KIDS, SO I DON'T.
I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN ABOUT NOISE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK OF, LIKE A AND I DON'T MEAN TO MINIMIZE WHAT NICK AND TRACY ARE DOING. CAMP GLADIATOR.
THEY DON'T HAVE NOISE AND STUFF OUT THERE IN THE MORNING, EXCEPT FOR PEOPLE GRUNTING AND THROWING UP, RIGHT? THAT'S THAT'S IT. YOU KNOW, AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'RE REALLY RESPECTFUL BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. WE TRY TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. SO THANKS FOR FOR HEARING HERE FROM ME.
START I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO PUT SOME SORT OF STIPULATION ON THERE ABOUT LIGHTING, BECAUSE IF IT'S 6 A.M.
IN JANUARY, THAT'S A LOT DIFFERENT THAN 6 A.M.
IN JULY. SURE. AND I WOULD NOT WANT SOME HALOGEN LIGHTS LIGHTING UP THE FIELD AND SHINING IN MY BACK WINDOWS.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE PHOTO TO SEE THEIR OTHER FACILITY? AND DO YOU MIND COMING UP AND TALKING ABOUT YOUR LIGHTING AND KIND OF POINTING TO THAT SO WE CAN SEE IT? TO BE HONEST, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO NEED REALLY ANY LIGHTING. WE DO HAVE TWO BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY LIT UP.
SO HE HAS THE WHOLE PARKING LOT HAS THE BIG LIGHTS IN IT, AND THEY'RE ON THE BUILDING. SO IT'S OUR TWO SMALL LIGHTS.
THERE'S ONLY TWO SMALL THAT JUST KIND OF SHINE ON THE FIELD A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN THERE'S SOLAR LIGHTS THAT ARE INSIDE THE CONTAINER THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE.
SO YEAH, AS FAR AS THE LIGHTING, IT'S I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THOSE OUTSIDE LIGHTS BECAUSE THERE WILL EVEN MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S ALREADY LIT UP. IF YOU DRIVE BY THE CHURCH AT NIGHT, IT'S IT'S ALL LIT UP ALREADY.
SO, SO THEY'RE MORE OF A PORCH LIGHT THAN.
YEAH. OH YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. IT'S I MEAN THEY'RE LITERALLY THIS BIG AND THEY'RE JUST RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF EACH CONTAINER.
THERE'S TWO OF THEM AND THAT'S IT. AND IT DOESN'T LIGHT UP ANYTHING PAST THAT LITTLE TURF. DICK TRACY HAS A PICTURE OF ONE SMALL HAND AROUND FROM THE OTHER ONE.
DO YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AT NIGHT? BUT ONCE ALL OF THAT LIGHTING AND ANYTHING IS NOT GOING TO BE FACING THE WON'T BE FACING THE HOUSES ANYWAYS, IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE FACING THE STREET.
SO THE BACKUP WILL ONLY BE FACING THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH YOU WON'T SEE ANYTHING.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING. EVEN IF YOU DID PLAY MUSIC, IT'S ALREADY BEING BLOCKED BY THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE SHOOTING TO THE FRONT. BUT LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T PLAY LOUD MUSIC TO BEGIN WITH.
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IT'S LIKE LITTLE KIDS, SO YOU GOT TO BE TALKING TO THEM.IF WE'RE PLAYING LOUD MUSIC, THE KIDS AREN'T GOING TO, YOU KNOW? YEAH, I MIGHT PLAY A LITTLE COUNTRY MUSIC HERE AND THERE, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT. SO WHAT ARE OUR THOUGHTS ABOUT 6 A.M.? YEAH. THAT'S GREAT. AND THEN WHAT ABOUT END TIME? WHAT IS YOUR END TIME USUALLY.
WE'RE DONE AT SEVEN. RIGHT NOW WE DO RUN A A YOGA CLASS AT AND IT CHANGES TIMES BECAUSE IT'S, IT GOES OFF OF SUNSET.
SO IT'S CALLED SUNSET YOGA ONCE A WEEK, BUT THERE'S NO MUSIC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND RIGHT NOW SHE'S DOING, I THINK LIKE 630 TO 7 30 OR 730 TO LIKE 745, AND THAT'S IT. THE ONLY THING WE WOULD DO, LIKE IN THE MORNING IS WE DO LIKE OUR PERSONAL TRAINING. WE DON'T EVEN PLAY MUSIC BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY LIKE IN THE SUMMER OF PEOPLE'S WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DISTURB ANYBODY LIKE THAT. IT'S VERY CALM WHEN WE, WE GO, BUT I WOULD SAY 6 A.M.
TO, YOU KNOW, JUST TO BE SAFE.
NINE. BUT I'M 8:00 IS TYPICALLY WE'RE ALWAYS EVEN WITH PEOPLE AFTER CLASS, IF THEY'RE TALKING OR SOMETHING, THEY'RE GOING TO BE GONE BY EIGHT. SO EVEN IN THE SUMMERTIME. OH YEAH.
YEAH. WE YEAH, IT'S A FAMILY GYM.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S WE GOT FAMILIES LIKE I'M NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF RUNNING LATE NIGHT CLASSES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
OKAY. SO EVEN IF SOMEBODY WANTED SOMETHING THERE, WE'D TELL THEM, NO, WE'RE GOING TO BE HOME BY WITH OUR FAMILY AT SEVEN, 08:00. SO. BUT YEAH, WE'RE DONE.
WE'RE RIGHT NOW OUR LATEST IS SEVEN.
OTHER THAN THE LADY ONCE A WEEK DOES YOGA 630 TO 730.
BUT THANK YOU. THERE'S NO MUSIC OR ANYTHING FOR THAT EITHER.
OKAY. OKAY. SO I KNOW WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF OBJECTIONS WITHOUT ANY REAL RATIONALE BEHIND IT, BUT. MISS CHEN, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF A.
TO PROBABLY 8 P.M.. NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
IF YOU DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE, THAT'S FINE. IT WAS JUST. WE WERE JUST KIND OF CURIOUS BASED ON WHAT YOU SAW AND YOUR. IT'S YOUR HOUSE, NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE PERSONAL TRAINING IS FINE.
LIKE, THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT WON'T BE NOISY.
I'M. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE LIGHTS, BECAUSE THAT WAS A CONCERN, TOO. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LIGHTS THERE NOW, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOT GOING TO ADD TO THAT, SO THAT'S GOOD. I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE 8:00 WILL BE FINE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR IT THOUGH.
BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS SO CLOSE TO ME THAT IF THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF KIDS SCREAMING THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AND I JUST SOUND LIKE AN OLD LADY SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN MY KIDS WERE THE ONES SCREAMING, I WAS FINE WITH IT. AND NOW I'M OLD AND NOW I'M LIKE, I DON'T WANT KIDS SCREAMING. SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING, LIKE, I THINK, I THINK THAT TIME IS FINE.
AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR LAND, YOU KNOW, AND I APPRECIATE HOW RECEPTIVE THEY'RE BEING.
SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THIS IN THIS AREA. THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS THERE AND SCHOOL STARTS.
THEY DROP OFF AT 710. SO IT'S NOT I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF, YOU KNOW, IN THAT AREA IS GOING TO BE MOVING AT THAT TIME. NOW, GRANTED, NOT IN THE SUMMER, BUT SO THAT'S MY, MY, MY ONLY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN STIPULATE HOURS? IT CAN IT BE A FULL CLASS? IT HAS TO BE A ONE ON ONE OR PERSONAL AFTER A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD, SO THAT YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A HUGE NUMBER OR SOMETHING.
OR IS THAT TOO RESTRICTIVE? PROBABLY. I, I THINK THAT'D PROBABLY BE TOO RESTRICTIVE.
YEAH, IT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO ADMINISTER AND ENFORCE THAT.
YEAH, BUT WHEN Y'ALL PLAN ON DOING THE SUMMER CAMP, WHAT TIME ARE Y'ALL WANTING TO START? 5:30 A.M..
THE CHILDREN'S STUFF IN THE SUMMER.
IT'S GOT TO BE OBVIOUSLY, BEFORE IT GETS WAY TOO HOT.
SO WE. LAST SUMMER, WE DID, I THINK 10 A.M..
AND IT JUST GOES FOR LIKE, TWO HOURS.
OKAY. BUT THAT'S WHAT OUR KIDS SUMMER CAMP IS.
BUT WORST CASE, I CAN MAYBE SEE IN GETTING IT MOVED TILL NINE, BUT KIDS AREN'T GOING TO BE THERE BY 9 A.M.
IN THE SUMMER. SO YEAH, 10 A.M.
TO NOON IS WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR AND IT WORKED OUT FINE.
OKAY, MAYBE WE DO 930, BUT YEAH, YEAH.
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THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.IS IT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK? NO, WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ON SUNDAY AND WE ONLY ON SATURDAY.
IT WOULD JUST BE RIGHT NOW WE DO 8 TO 10 OR.
YEAH, 8 TO 11. I'M SORRY, 8 TO 11 ON SATURDAY.
IT'S HONESTLY ONLY LIKE 3 OR 4 HOURS A DAY THAT ANYBODY'S GOING TO BE THERE, BUT BASICALLY WILL TYPICALLY DO SOMETHING AT LIKE SIX TWICE A WEEK IS WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. WE DO EITHER 830 OR 915 IN THE MORNING, AND THEN WE COME BACK AFTER SCHOOL, THREE TILL ABOUT 7:00 MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.
WE DO NOTHING IN THE ON FRIDAYS IN THE EVENING AND NOTHING ON SUNDAYS.
ALL RIGHT, I HAVE ONE. WE HAVE TO GO TO CHURCH.
WELL, THAT'S THAT'S ABOUT WHERE I WAS GOING TO GO.
SO YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO BE IN OPERATION WHEN THE CHURCH IS OPEN.
YEAH. SO WE WE ARE. WE SAY THAT AGAIN.
YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO BE IN OPERATION.
NO, NO, NO. WHEN THE CHURCH IS RUN, WHEN THEY HAVE WHEN THEY HAVE SERVICE, WE WON'T BE RUNNING ANYTHING.
RIGHT. BUT WHEN YOU'RE OPEN, THE CHURCH IS OPEN AS WELL.
YEAH, LIKE I THINK HE GETS THERE AT LIKE, 5 A.M..
OKAY, OKAY. WELL, I'M IMAGINING THESE DON'T HAVE ANY SORT OF RESTROOM FACILITIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, SO. SO WE WE NICK, CAN I ANSWER THAT? YEAH, I DO HAVE A RESTROOM AT THAT ONE I HAVE.
IT'S A PORTA POTTY. PORTA POTTY THAT IS JUST ON THE SIDE OF IT.
SO? SO WE DIDN'T. AND YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT.
YEAH. SO? SO WHEN HE FIRST APPROACHED US ABOUT THIS, I DIDN'T WANT A PORTA POTTY IN OUR PROPERTY.
SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS ALL OF OUR BUILDING IS KEYLESS, SO HE'LL ACTUALLY JUST HAVE A KEY.
HE'LL BE ABLE TO SWIPE IN IF THERE'S SOMEBODY. BECAUSE ONE OF OUR CONCERNS WHERE WE DON'T WANT TO RUN POWER OUT THERE, WE DON'T WANT A SEWAGE OUT THERE PLUMBING OUT THERE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THIS REALLY HARD TO BELIEVE AS A PASTOR. GUESS WHAT? I REALLY LIKE PEOPLE COMING IN OUR BUILDING.
BECAUSE, I MEAN, I'M BIASED, BUT WE HAVE A GREAT BUILDING AND WE WANT TO BE HERE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO PART OF THE DEAL IS, AND I AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IT THIS IS GOING TO SOUND HORRIBLE. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT A PORTA POTTY FITS IN THE ARCHITECTURAL STRUCTURE OF EITHER THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR OUR CHURCH.
I'M TRYING. RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE STRUCTURES GO, WE'VE ALREADY HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT, TOO.
THEY'RE GOING TO PAINT THEM TO TO LOOK LIKE THE DESIGN WITH OUR CHURCH AND SOME THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT'S NOT I KNOW IT'S CRAZY.
LIKE YOU GUYS TALKED US THROUGH THE WHOLE BUILD.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT SOMETHING UGLY UP THERE.
BUT WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND USE IT, SO THERE'LL BE FULL ACCESS TO OUR BUILDING. THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO. YEAH. PERFECT. YEAH. I'M JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, LITTLE BILLY. YEAH. I DON'T WANT HIM BACK IN THE WEEDS, MAN. THERE'S RATTLESNAKES BACK THERE. WE DON'T. WE DON'T NEED THAT. NO. OKAY. HEY, WHILE YOU'RE UP, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.
OF COURSE. SO BASED ON THEM TALKING ABOUT THIS, I WOULD HOPEFULLY THINK THAT THIS WOULD GROW BECAUSE IT SHOULD.
AND SO WITH YOUR CURRENT 29 PARKING SPACES THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PARKING LOT, DO YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR PARKING GROWTH WITH YOUR CURRENT SETUP BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE THE TRANSMISSION LINES OUT FRONT.
AND IF THIS IS NOW GOING TO BE TO THE WEST, DO YOU HAVE ANY SPACE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL PARKING IF NEEDED FOR BOTH THE CHURCH AND FOR THIS? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
CAN WE REMOVE TREES? IT'S A SORE SPOT.
IT'S A SORE SPOT. IT'S A SORE SPOT.
NO, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, ACTUALLY, WE'VE STARTED TO LOOK AT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT. SO IT'S A GOOD I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU ON THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT IS ON OUR LEADERS MINDS. YEAH. BECAUSE MY BIG THOUGHT WAS JUST I MEAN, THE PLACEMENT SOUNDS GOOD.
ARE YOU CLOSE? CAN I UBER PEOPLE FROM YOUR HOUSE TO.
IF ONLY I LIVE TOO FAR AWAY? BUT MY THOUGHT IS, IF WE DO MOVE IT BACK WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING, THEN YOU WOULD STILL HAVE.
YOU COULD ALMOST EVEN, LIKE, DUPLICATE YOUR CURRENT PARKING LOT TO THE WEST IF NEEDED. SO YOU SHOULD BE GOOD.
ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, DISCUSSION. THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON FOR THREE.
SO I MAKE A MOTION AND LET ME SEE IF I CAPTURED EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE SCP WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
MAY OPERATE ONLY BETWEEN 6 A.M.
AND 8 P.M.. NO ADDITIONAL EXTERNAL LIGHTING POINTED TOWARDS THE RESIDENCE DURING EVENING HOURS JUST TO MAKE SURE.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU WON'T, BUT AS YOU MENTIONED, NO PARKING ON THE GRASS.
CANNOT HAVE LOUDSPEAKERS OR EQUIPMENT THAT EMITS AUDIBLE SIGNALS SUCH AS BEEPS, BUZZERS, OR BELLS. THERE WILL BE AUDIBLE OFF THE SITE AND MUSIC SHOULD BE KEPT TO A LEVEL
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THAT CANNOT BE TOO LOUD FOR RESIDENTS.AND THEN RELOCATE BEHIND THE FRONT BUILDING LINE OF THE CHURCH.
EVEN WITH THE EXISTING PARKING LOT.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LEE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK WITH THE STAFF.
ADDITIONS? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMENT QUESTIONS? THE ONLY QUESTION IS JUST FOR THE.
I GUESS SINCE WE'RE ALREADY GOING AWAY FROM THE UDC, WE DIDN'T NEED TO GIVE THEM THE EXTRA HALF HOUR TO NINE SINCE THEY'RE GOING TO BE DONE BY EIGHT.
WE'LL JUST LEAVE IT LIKE THAT. SO WE ALSO HAVE A CLARIFICATION.
DO YOU WANT TO AMEND THAT TO BE 6 TO 9 MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY? YES. YES. YEAH. WAS IT 6 TO 9 OR 6 TO 8? NO. LET'S GO. 6 TO 9. JUST SO THEY HAVE TIME.
SO THEY'RE NOT IN VIOLATION IF THEY'RE STILL ON SITE HAVING TO CLEAN UP FOR SOME REASON, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE THE PEOPLE WALK BY AND GO MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER, YOU COULD HAVE A LATE SUNSET AND WITH THE SUNSET YOGA WITH THE LATE SUMMER IN JULY.
AND ARE ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? YES. AWESOME. ALL RIGHT.
WELL, THEN WITH THAT, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
NEXT IS ITEM 4.4, WHICH HAS BEEN PULLED BY THE APPLICANT.
SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM 4.5, CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PROPOSED SHUTTLE LANDING.
PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT 31.9 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED OFF OF EXCHANGE BOULEVARD. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.
THIS IS THE LANDING PUD AND I WANT TO SHOW YOU THE LOCATION.
THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED MULTIFAMILY, AND I KNOW THAT THE YOU RECEIVED A LOT OF OPPOSITION, AND ALL OF THE OPPOSITION STEMS FROM THE FACT THAT IT'S MULTIFAMILY.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE CLEAR IN THE NOTICE.
I THINK, BUT THEY ARE REQUESTING THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO ADDRESS LANDSCAPING ISSUES THAT THEY CANNOT MEET IN THE MULTIFAMILY DESIGN STANDARDS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
FOR ANYONE THAT IS CONCERNED ABOUT MULTIFAMILY REZONING, IT IS ALREADY ZONED MULTIFAMILY.
SO CAN YOU ALSO GIVE THE DATE THAT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED AS MULTIFAMILY? DO WE HAVE THAT DATE? IT GOES BACK TO 2006 ON THE IT'S NOT ON THE 1983 ZONING MAP.
ACTUALLY, THIS AREA OF THE CITY IS NOT EVEN ON THE 1980 ZONING MAP.
BUT IT IS ON THE 2006 ZONING MAP, AND IT'S SHOWN AS R2, WHICH WAS OUR MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT AT THAT TIME.
OKAY. SO YOU'RE PROBABLY PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THIS SITE.
IT'S NORTH OF A RECENT POD WE SAW A MONTH OR SO AGO, JUST NORTH OF THE LIVE OAK EXTENSION.
IT'S ABOUT 32 ACRES, AND IT'S BEEN PRELIMINARY PLATTED.
THE. AS I SAID, THE POD IS TO ADDRESS LANDSCAPING CRITERIA FOR THE MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICT. THE SITE PLAN THAT IS BEFORE YOU.
IT IS CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE, SO MINOR MODIFICATIONS MAY BE MADE AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE OTHER PARTS OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THIS DEVELOPMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DEDICATING AND CONSTRUCTING PORTION OF LIVE OAK. SO THAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THIS.
AND THEY ARE PROPOSING TO PROVIDE AMENITIES INCLUDING A POOL AND THREE OF THE FOLLOWING BEING EXERCISE STATIONS, SPORTS COURTS, SPORTS FIELDS, AND A DOG PARK. SO THIS IS SMALL AND IT'S IN YOUR PACKET.
BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TREES AND SHRUBS.
SO OUR CURRENT MULTIFAMILY REQUIREMENT IS 20% OF THE SITE, AND THAT 20% YOU DIVIDE BY 500 TIMES TWO.
AND THAT'S HOW MANY LARGE TREES YOU GET ANY TIMES FOUR AND THAT'S HOW MANY SHRUBS.
SO THIS SITE, THE SITE PLAN THAT THEY'VE SHOWN, THERE'S 527 TREES SHOWN.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO OVER A THOUSAND TREES ON THIS SITE.
AND SO THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REDUCE THAT IN HALF.
THEY HAVE ALSO PROPOSED TO REDUCE SOME OF THE PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING.
SO WE WE REQUIRE A NINE BY 18 PARKING ISLAND AT THE END OF EVERY TEN SPACES AND AT THE END. AND SO THEY HAVE SOME AREAS THAT HAVE MORE THAN TEN SPACES IN A ROW.
AND SO THEY'RE PROPOSING TO TAKE THAT OUT.
THEY HAVE ALSO REQUESTED A REDUCTION IN THE LANDSCAPE SCREENING FOR THE PARKING LOT.
INSTEAD OF ONE LARGE TREE PER 30FT, IT WOULD BE 60FT.
AND SO AND THEN THE STRIKE THRUS ARE THE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS AND THE DRIVEWAY THROAT REQUIREMENTS. SO THEY'RE BASICALLY REDUCING THE LANDSCAPING WITH THE PUD.
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AND THEN THEY'VE GIVEN US A COMMITMENT FOR SOME AMENITIES.AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU.
THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN.
AGAIN. THEY HAVE 453 LARGE TREES SHOWN AND THEN 148 SMALL TREES.
AND THEN OVER A THOUSAND SHRUBS AND THEY'VE GOT THE POOL SHOWN AND SOME INTERNAL WALKWAYS. THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF DRAINAGE ON THIS SITE, SO THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME, IF DONE WELL, CAN BE SOME PRETTY NICE OPEN SPACE WITH THOSE DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS.
BUT THIS IS WHAT THEY'VE PROPOSED.
WE SENT OUT THE NOTIFICATIONS TO ALL THE OWNERS WITHIN 600FT.
WE DID AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE SEVEN IN OPPOSITION AND THEN THE ONE IN FAVOR.
AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ONES I HANDED OUT THAT CAME IN LATER AFTER THE PACKET.
WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE POD REQUEST MEETS THE POD CRITERIA AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE HUDDLE LANDING POD AS PRESENTED.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE AND THEY CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THEY ALSO HAVE A PRESENTATION TO SHOW YOU.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET THAT PRESENTATION PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? CERTAINLY. JUST ONE SECOND.
GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS AMANDA BROWN. I'M WITH KIMLEY-HORN, REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER OF THIS SITE.
WE ARE PROPOSING IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY WITH A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE LOCATED ON EXCHANGE BOULEVARD JUST NORTH OF 79.
THIS IS AN EXISTING ZONING MAP.
AND AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT ADAM HAS ALREADY MADE. PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED MULTIFAMILY, AND WITH THIS POD, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY ALTERATIONS TO THE USE, ANY ALTERATIONS TO THE DENSITY.
WE INTEND TO FULLY COMPLY WITH THE MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS.
WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING IS A SLIGHT MODIFICATION TO THE LANDSCAPING CODE.
AS, AGAIN, THIS IS OUR CONCEPT PLAN.
AS ADAM ALREADY SHOWED, YOU CAN SEE THE TRAIL SYSTEM RUNNING INTERNALLY, THE OPEN SPACE.
WE'VE GOT SPORTS FIELDS, PROPOSED DOG PARKS.
WE'VE GOT A RESORT STYLE POOL.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, AMPLE LANDSCAPING AND AMPLE OPEN SPACE.
SO THIS IS AN EXHIBIT THAT WE PUT TOGETHER TO SHOW WHAT A CODE COMPLIANT TREE PLANTING PLAN WOULD LOOK LIKE. TO KIND OF BETTER EXPLAIN WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS MODIFICATION.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE TREES ARE AND THIS IS JUST ONE PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
I WANTED TO ZOOM IN SO YOU COULD REALLY KIND OF SEE IT HOW OVERCROWDED THEY ARE, CRAMMED UP AGAINST BUILDINGS AND AGAINST EACH OTHER AND IN SOME CASES REALLY JUST OVERLAPPING. AS ADAM HAD MENTIONED, THERE'S A 20% OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO MODIFY THAT AT ALL.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CRAM IN MORE BUILDINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'LL STILL BE 20%. THIS PLAN ESSENTIALLY CREATES A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS. THE FIRST ONE IS REALLY JUST THE HEALTH OF THE TREES AND THE SHRUBS.
THESE ARE INTENDED TO BE SHADE TREES TO GROW TO MATURITY AND PROVIDE A MEANINGFUL SORT OF TREE CANOPY TO PROVIDE SHADE.
AND WHEN THEY'RE CROWDED LIKE THIS, THEY REALLY CAN'T GROW TO FULL MATURITY.
ADDITIONALLY, SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE OVERLAPPING WON'T SURVIVE.
ALSO, WITH THE SHRUBBERY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GO UNDER THOSE TREES WILL ALSO BE CROWDED AND WON'T HAVE ACCESS TO SUN DUE TO THE OVERCROWDING AS WELL.
I THINK THE SECOND ISSUE IS WE REALLY WANT TO PROVIDE MEANINGFUL, UNENCUMBERED, OPEN SPACE.
SO WE HAVE SPORTS FIELD PROPOSED FOR SOCCER MATCHES.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME OPEN SPACE TO BE ABLE TO THROW A BALL AND RUN AROUND AND PLAY WITHOUT HAVING TREES JUST EVERYWHERE.
SO WE CAN BUILD THIS. AND THIS IS SORT OF PLAN B BUT IT IS OUR PREFERENCE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PUD TO BE ABLE TO BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHICH WILL HAVE AMPLE TREES AND SHADING AND OPEN SPACE PUD PROVISIONS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, A MODIFICATION TO THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS AND PROVIDING COMMUNITY BENEFITS, SPORTS FIELDS, SPORTS COURTS THERE'S A DOG PARK POOL AND EXERCISE STATIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THERE ARE MANY PROJECT BENEFITS WITH THIS PROJECT.
THE LIVE OAK EXTENSION THAT AUTUMN HAD MENTIONED HOUSING OPTIONS.
AND I THINK ABOVE ALL, JUST IMPROVED OPEN SPACE, BOTH IN TERMS OF THE QUALITY OF OPEN SPACE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE.
AND I ALSO JUST THINK FOR THE GENERAL HEALTH OF TREE CANOPY.
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WITH THAT, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WE HAVE OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND OUR ENGINEER AND THE DEVELOPER ARE ALL HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MAY HAVE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WELL, THIS DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:53 P.M..
AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:53 P.M.
AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION ON THE DAIS.
I KNOW I'VE PROBABLY ASKED THIS BEFORE.
I KNOW IN THE CODE WE ALLOW COMMERCIAL THAT WE CAN TAKE A PARK LAND FEE IN LIEU OF REDUCING THE LANDSCAPING SO WE CAN HELP OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO IN THIS THAT IS SIMILAR? IS IT POSSIBLE? IS THERE ANY WAY BECAUSE I APPRECIATE REDUCING, BUT THE AMENITIES THAT ARE BRINGING IS FOR THOSE RESIDENTS ONLY, NOT EVERYONE ELSE THAT LIVES IN HUTTO.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS GREEN SPACE IS IMPORTANT AND HAVING TREES AND ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLINESS. I'D LIKE US TO BE ABLE TO HELP OUT IN OTHER WAYS IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS WE CAN DO THAT. SO IS THAT SOMETHING EVEN IF WE CAN'T REQUEST, IS THAT IS THERE A DISCUSSION THAT WE CAN HAVE ON THAT? I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST A IT'S OR IS THERE A WAY WE CAN GET TO THAT? TO BE HONEST, WE HAVE THAT PROVISION FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL NOW.
AND SO YOU CAN PAY A FEE IN LIEU FOR UP TO 50%.
BUT TO BE HONEST OUR LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS FOR MULTIFAMILY THERE'S TOO MANY.
AND SO WHILE I APPRECIATE THAT.
WE WANT TO GET SOMETHING FOR SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT, ADJUSTING THE CODE, BECAUSE I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF SITES ON 137 THAT ARE MEETING THE CODE SIMPLY FOR TIME CONSTRAINTS.
AND IT'S, IT'S THERE'S A LOT OF TREES AND IT'S BEEN REALLY HARD FOR THEM TO GO.
AND SO IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE IT ONCE OR TWICE.
YOU'RE LIKE IS IT REALLY AN ISSUE? BUT IT'S REALLY AN ISSUE. AND WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT OUR ACTUAL CODE DOCUMENT.
AND I THINK THAT WE COULD LOOK AT OUR CODE DOCUMENT AND PUT IN SOME SORT OF FEE IN LIEU OPTION AS WELL. SO IF IT WAS A SITE CONSTRAINT THAT CAME UP WITH A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TREES REQUIRED.
SO MAYBE IT'S A MIXTURE OF THE TWO, BUT I THINK FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE AND THE ONES THAT WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY THE ONE PER 500 REALLY MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE AND IT SEEMS MORE FAIR. AND SINCE I DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE IN THE 2040 COMP PLAN SPECIFICALLY, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN START MOVING FORWARD WITH NOW ON AT LEAST GETTING THAT BROUGHT BACK UP HERE, BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING IT NEEDS TO COME TO US AND THEN GO TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
AND LET'S GET MOVING ON THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS WE'VE HAD THIS COME UP MULTIPLE TIMES AND I DON'T WANT TO WAIT ANY LONGER ON IT.
YEAH. WE COULD START PULLING OTHER CITIES AND AND WORKING THAT BACK INTO OUR WORK PLAN POTENTIALLY GETTING IT DONE PRIOR TO THAT OR GETTING IT DONE WITH THAT LARGER UDC AMENDMENT. THAT'S FINE.
YEAH. BUT YEAH, HAVING SOME MORE DISCUSSIONS AROUND THAT.
YEAH. WE'VE WE'VE SEEN TREE ISSUES SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST.
AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE ALL GOT SOME PRETTY GOOD IDEAS ON HOW TO MITIGATE SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT ARE COMING UP, YOU KNOW, PLANTING TOO MANY TREES, NOT ENOUGH TREES, TREE FEES, ETC..
SO I THINK IF WE CAN CODIFY THAT AND PUT THAT INTO THE UDC, YOU KNOW, MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE UDC, THAT MAY BE THE WAY TO GO TO EVEN PRIOR TO THE COMP PLAN BEING COMPLETED? ABSOLUTELY. THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE A COMP PLAN THING. IT'S GOING TO BE MORE SO. I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT A TREE CANOPY THING THAT WE WANT, BUT WE ALSO WANT THEM TO BE HEALTHY. SO PLANTING TOO MANY IS ALSO NOT GOING TO BE HEALTHY FOR THE TREES.
SO I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING REASONABLE TO AT LEAST HAVE A DISCUSSION HERE. OKAY. DIDN'T WE HAVE A MEETING NOT TOO LONG AGO WHERE WE DID? SIZE OF THE TREE? YES, YES, YES.
SO CAN WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH THIS? IT AND JUST GET SOME BIGGER TREES TO BEGIN WITH? WELL, AND I THINK PART OF THAT IT'S, IT SOUNDS GOOD AND IT'S WORKABLE SOLUTION I THINK. BUT A LOT OF IT IS A SOURCING ISSUE BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. AND SOURCING A LARGER TREE IS OFTEN HARDER THAN SOURCING THE SMALLER TREE.
SO FINDING A SIX INCH CALIPER LIVE OAK TREE THAT IT'S GOING TO DIE IN A YEAR BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SURVIVE THE WINTER STORM.
YEAH. AND SO THEN THOSE ARE GOING TO KEEP GETTING REPLACED WITH ANOTHER SIX INCH TREE VERSUS GETTING A HEARTIER TREE UP FRONT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GO WITH ON THAT ONE.
WELL THE SMALLER TREES ARE ACTUALLY EASIER TO TAKE, SO YOU CAN SPEAK WITH LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS.
AND USUALLY THE SMALLER CALIPER, THERE'S A KIND OF A HIT OR MISS SORT OF.
THE LARGER TREES ARE HARDER TO GET ESTABLISHED.
I JUST KNOW A LOT OF TREES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NEXT TO ME. THEY ALL DIED.
YEAH, ALL THE SMALL ONES DIED.
SO. WELL, THEY. AND THEY COULD HAVE BEEN I, I THINK THAT THE EVENT THAT WE HAD AND THIS
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WAS PRIOR TO THAT EVENT WASN'T.YEAH. IT COULD BE TO THE WAY THAT THEY'RE PLANTED AND THE MATERIALS THAT THEY'RE IN AND THE TYPE OF IRRIGATION. SO THE ROOTS AREN'T DEEPER OR THE TYPE OF SPECIES.
YEAH. WE WE DID HAVE THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
YES. AWESOME. I DEFINITELY HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON IT.
OKAY. SO YEAH, MY NAME IS JASON.
BUT YEAH, WE THE LARGER TREES ARE ARE ARE NICE.
THEY ARE FROM A SOURCING STANDPOINT, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW.
THE NURSERIES ARE VERY SHORT STOCK IN THE LARGER TREES BECAUSE ALL THEIR INVENTORY GOT WIPED OUT WITH THE FREEZE.
I THINK THE CURRENT CODE THAT YOU ALL HAVE, THE SIZING IN MY OPINION, IS IS IS CORRECT. THREE AND FOUR INCH TREES ARE, ARE GOOD SIZED TREES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED.
AND WHEN THEY GO IN, THEY CAN YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET THOSE BAB CONTAINER.
SO THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY OF THOSE WHEN YOU START TO GET TO SIX INCH MATERIAL, A LOT OF THAT'S CONTAINER GROWN.
AND IT'S VERY SPECIFIC AND IT STARTS TO GET REALLY EXPENSIVE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, ME PERSONALLY, I THINK YOUR CODE IS WRITTEN FROM A TREE SIZE STANDPOINT CORRECTLY. SO WHAT SIZE CALIPER ARE THOSE TREES YOU'RE PUTTING IN? THE CODE COMPLIANT. I THINK THEY'RE.
I THINK THEY'RE FOR THEIR FOUR INCH. YEAH.
WHICH IS GOING BACK TO THE OTHER CONVERSATION.
THAT OTHER PROJECT WAS TWO INCH CALIPER TREES.
YEAH. YEAH. AND IF YOU GET THE THE SMALLER ONES I THINK THAT WAS THE CASE ON THAT ONE.
RIGHT. IT WAS DOUBLE THE NUMBER BUT SMALLER THE TREE TO GIVE THEM THAT OPTION.
SOME TREES THAT YOU GET SMALLER THEY DO HAVE A HARDER TIME GETTING ESTABLISHED.
YOU KNOW AND IT THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES THAT GO ALONG WITH IT.
IT REALLY DEPENDS ON MAINTENANCE.
HOW MUCH FERTILIZER GETS PUT DOWN? YOU KNOW, WATERING SCHEDULES, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT AGAIN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOUR INCH IS A GOOD, HAPPY MEDIUM BETWEEN THE LARGE AND SMALL.
AND I THINK THAT THAT NURSERIES ARE, YOU KNOW, HERE IN THE NEXT YEAR ARE GOING TO START COMING BACK ONLINE TO GET THAT SIZE MATERIAL.
SO IS THERE GOING TO BE A WATERING SYSTEM THAT'S INSTALLED AROUND ALL OF THE AREAS WHERE THE TREES ARE, OR ARE THEY JUST GOING TO BE HAND? YEAH. EACH TREE WILL GET TWO BUBBLERS PER TREE.
IRRIGATION IS REQUIRED FOR THE SITE.
SO WE WE HAVE SMALL TREES AND LARGE TREES.
AND SO THE LARGE TREES ARE YOUR HARDIER SPECIES AND YOUR LIVE OAKS AND YOUR TYPICALS.
AND IF YOU REPLACE THOSE, IT'S MORE OF AN ORNAMENTAL TREE.
SO THOSE CAN BE SMALLER CALIPER.
AND THAT'S I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T YOU CAN'T REPLACE A FOUR INCH LIVE OAK WITH A TWO INCH LIVE OAK. SO YOU WOULD BE REPLACING IT WITH TWO SMALL OR CRAPE MYRTLE TYPE TREES, ORNAMENTAL TREES THAT WOULD SEE.
YEAH. I THINK MY HESITATION ON THIS ONE IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A DEVELOPER HERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO 50%.
WE HAD A SCHOOL DISTRICT HERE THAT CAME AND WE WOULDN'T LET THEM GO DOWN TO 50%, YOU KNOW, AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND I DIDN'T GET TO SHOW YOU THE PRESENTATION.
THEY WERE. WE WERE RECOMMENDING THEY GO DOWN TO ABOUT 20%, SO IT WAS QUITE LOW. BUT THE HIGH SCHOOL STADIUM WENT TO THE COUNCIL.
AND DIDN'T THEY INCREASE IT TO ROUGHLY 70% OF THE REQUIREMENT? I THINK IN CALIPER INCHES.
BUT THEN THEY ADDED ANOTHER 20% BASED OFF OF WHAT WE HAD RECOMMENDED.
AND THEN SOME OF IT WAS ACROSS OTHER SITES, NOT JUST AFFECTING THAT ONE.
IT WAS KIND OF BRING BACK A PLAN OF HOW YOU'RE GOING TO MEET THE REST OF THIS.
WHICH GOES BACK TO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CODE.
AND INSTITUTIONAL IS 15% OF THE SITE, NOT 20.
AND ONE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, READING THE CODE TO YOU, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO IMPLEMENT ORNAMENTAL TREES AS A REQUIREMENT.
YOU KNOW, ONE ORNAMENTAL AND ONE SMALL TREE PER X AMOUNT OF SQUARE FEET.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, GETTING A VARIETY ON THE SITE IS REALLY THE GOAL.
SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, BIG BLOCKS THAT EITHER DO REALLY GOOD OR REALLY, YOU KNOW, REALLY BAD.
SO JUST GETTING A VARIETY OF NOT ONLY FROM AN ESTHETIC STANDPOINT, BUT A MATURITY STANDPOINT AND GROWTH.
RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING LARGE SHADE TREES,
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YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND OF THEM ON THIS, ON THIS PROPERTY, THERE'S NO GRASS IN TEN YEARS.THERE'S NO THERE'S NOTHING LIVING UNDERNEATH THAT CANOPY ANYMORE.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST THINGS.
THE MINUTE WE DUG INTO THE CODE IS YOU REALLY START TO HAVE EROSION PROBLEMS, RIGHT? IS THAT YOU CAN'T GET GRASS ESTABLISHED LOSING DIRT.
YEP. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT, ESPECIALLY ON SORT OF A SITE THIS BIG THAT THAT'S PRETTY EXTENSIVE TO TRY TO KEEP UP WITH. SO MY COMMENT IS NOT A NECESSARILY IT'S NOT AGAINST MULTIFAMILY OR WHATEVER, BUT BEING IN THE POD VERSUS NOT IS THERE LIKE THEY CAN GO TO FOUR FLIGHTS.
IS IT THREE IN THE POD FOR HEIGHT OF.
NO. THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE UDC EXCEPT FOR THE THINGS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT, JUST THESE THINGS.
THE ONLY OTHER THING, AND WE IT NEVER CAME INTO FRUITION.
BUT WHEN WE HAD DONE A SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE HAD A HOTEL THAT WAS GOING TO COME ON A SITE, AND WE LOOKED AT HAVING IT ORIENTATED SUCH THAT THE STAIRWELLS WERE FACING THE RESIDENTS SO THAT PEOPLE ARE IMMEDIATELY LOOKING OVER THEIR BACKYARDS.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AND THIS IS NOT I KNOW WE'RE NOT FOR A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN.
I JUST WANT TO THROW IT OUT AS AN IDEA. IF THERE'S A WAY TO ORIENTATE A COUPLE OF THESE THAT ARE AS CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY OF THE NEIGHBORS, TO REDUCE THE ABILITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE APARTMENTS JUST LOOKING RIGHT OVER INTO THE THE PEOPLE THAT ALREADY LIVE THERE ALREADY HAVE HOMES FOR THEIR PRIVACY.
THAT'S JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AS A THOUGHT.
IS IT FROM A TREE ONLY? SO NO, JUST FROM THE. THE BUILDING.
THE NORTH. THE NORTH SIDE? YEAH. THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR RESIDENTIAL.
EXACTLY. SO I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THOSE TWO.
YOU KNOW, THOSE LOOK LIKE PARKING.
AND TOWNHOMES. OH, THOSE ARE TOWN.
YEAH. BUT THOSE ARE GOING TO BE GROUND LEVEL. LIKE THERE'D BE NO DIFFERENT THAN A TWO STORY HOUSE. SO THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
I WAS LOOKING AT MORE OF THIS ONE.
AND THEN THE CATTY CORNER ONE THAT WOULD BE LOOKING OUT. NO, NOT THAT ONE. THAT ONE'S ORIENTATED TO THE RIGHT.
TO THAT ONE. TO THE RIGHT. YEAH. GOTCHA.
YEAH. SO I'M LOOKING HERE AND DRIVING WITH MY FINGER. YEAH. THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT I WAS I WAS KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
WOULD THAT WOULD GIVE LIKE UNDUE VIEW INTO RESIDENTIAL NEXT.
AND SO LIKE I SAID WE'RE NOT AT A SITE PLAN TODAY.
THIS IS JUST AND WE'RE NOT CHANGING YOU KNOW AS FAR AS THAT.
BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO BRING UP NOW EARLY IN THE PROCESS.
I LIKE THAT IDEA BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BUFFER ZONE ESTABLISHED THERE THAT HAS FULL PLANTING, THAT GOES ACROSS THAT AS IT GROWS, PROVIDES THAT ADDITIONAL SHADE AND SCREENING TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I'D LIKE TO IF WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, ADD SOME STIPULATIONS ABOUT REQUIRING THAT BUFFER ZONE BEING DEVELOPED AND MAINTAINED THERE. SO YOU COULD ADD TO THE PUD RECOMMENDATION THAT THERE BE A CERTAIN DEPTH OF LANDSCAPE BUFFER WHERE THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY, 20FT, 30FT, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, YOU SAW FIT.
AND THEN I THINK THAT WHEN THEY WORK THE SITE PLAN OUT, THEY CAN TWEAK THINGS TO MAKE THAT WORK.
THEY HAVE THAT FOR A LOT OF THAT ADJACENCY BECAUSE OF THEIR DRAINAGE WAY AREAS.
SO THAT MIGHT BE AN IDEA FOR A RECOMMENDATION.
AND YOU CAN DO THAT WITH THE PUD.
SO THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF THE PUD.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING. AND YOU CAN ASK FOR SOMETHING AS WELL IN RETURN. SO HOW TALL ARE THE BUILDINGS SUPPOSED TO BE? 35FT. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S THREE STOREYS, MAX. YEAH, 3035 IS OUR MAXIMUM.
THE ONES CLOSEST TO THE SINGLE FAMILY ARE ONLY TWO STORIES.
AND THEN THE THREE STORY BUILDINGS ARE ABOUT 200FT AWAY.
KIND OF HARD TO TELL ON THIS SCALE, BUT.
NO, IT'S THIS CORNER. IT'S THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.
SO YOU'VE GOT AT LEAST 26FT BECAUSE THE.
AND YOU PROBABLY GOT LIKE 40 IN THERE.
SO THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN. IT'S REALLY CLOSE. AND IT'S ANGLED SUCH THAT THEY'RE PRIMARILY SEEING. AND THAT'S THE ONLY AREA THAT'S TOUCHING RESIDENTIAL.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE IF WE CAN DO SOME STIPULATION.
AND IF Y'ALL CAN THINK ABOUT THAT PART OF YOUR DESIGN THAT'S ABSOLUTELY.
THANK YOU. SO PART OF THAT SCREENING THOUGH.
SO ITEM 322 IN THE POD IS TALKING ABOUT, THE VEHICULAR USE AREA SHALL BE SCREENED FROM ALL RIGHT OF WAYS BY A CONTINUOUS LANDSCAPE AREA.
NOT TO BE NOT TO BE LESS THAN TEN FEET DEEP.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT MEANS BETWEEN WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DRIVE AISLE AND THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, AS WELL AS OTHER LOCATIONS ON THE PROPERTY.
SO WILL THERE BE ANY OTHER TYPE OF SCREENING, SUCH AS A MASONRY FENCE OR ANYTHING ELSE AS WELL?
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WELL, DEFINITELY MEET ANY SORT OF FENCING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED PER THE UDC.I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT WE'RE PROPOSING ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT, RIGHT? NO, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND, SO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A MASONRY FENCE.
I BELIEVE IT DEPENDS. IF IT'S PARKLAND, IT'S.
WELL. AND SO OR IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MASONRY, BUT MASONRY WOULD SOMETHING, SOMETHING TO STILL HAVE THAT SCREENING BEYOND JUST THE TREES. BECAUSE IF THERE'S REALLY ONLY A REQUIREMENT FOR TEN FOOT AND SOME OF THOSE AREAS. THEN, I MEAN, WHAT MR. SCHWARZENEGGER WAS SAYING, I MEAN, BY PUTTING MORE TREES THERE, IT COULD GIVE MORE OF A NATURAL BUFFER ALONG THE EDGES IF WE'RE REALLY ONLY REQUIRING TEN FEET AND THEN A POTENTIAL SIX FOOT FENCE, WHICH, AS WE'VE ALREADY SEEN IN MANY NEIGHBORHOODS, IF YOU HAVE A TWO STORY HOUSE BEHIND A SIX FOOT FENCE, IT DOES ZERO TO BLOCK ANY KIND OF SIGHT.
SO IF YOU HAVE A TWO STORY HOUSE BEHIND THIS, ABUTTING A 35 FOOT, THREE STORY BUILDING OVER HERE, YOU'RE EASILY GOING TO BE SEEING IN EACH OTHER'S PLACE.
SO HAVING THAT FENCE ALONG WITH SOME KIND OF TREES COULD BE A GOOD BENEFIT.
I WOULD IMAGINE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE FENCING BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE CONTROLLED ACCESS INTO THE PLACE.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE FENCING ALL AROUND THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE A PRIVATE WALKING PATH AND STUFF THAT I SAW.
YEAH. BUT IS IT GOING TO BE AN IRON FENCE THAT'S JUST SEE THROUGH, OR IS IT GOING TO BE? YEAH, I THINK HE'S TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE PRIVATE THAN JUST THE.
BECAUSE BECAUSE ALSO NOT JUST THE CURRENT RESIDENTS TO THE NORTH.
SO TO THE WEST IS ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT WE PRELIMINARY PLATTED A FEW MONTHS AGO.
THAT'S ALSO GOING TO HAVE RESIDENCES, ETC..
AND SO SAME THING. I MEAN, WE, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO EVEN THAT BUILDING TO FURTHEST TO THE WEST.
SAME THING YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOME KIND OF BUFFER THERE FOR, FOR VISUALS.
THAT'S NOT LIKE LIKE YOU MENTIONED, NOT JUST A LITTLE IRON FENCE, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE A SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE OR SOMETHING.
SO THE PROPERTY ADJACENT IS SCHMITZ CREEK.
AND AMANDA DID THAT ONE AS WELL.
THERE'S JUST I WANT THEM TO BE HAPPY AS WELL.
THERE IS A SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE PROPOSED ON THEIR SITE ON THE WESTERN BORDER.
AND THEN THE NORTHERN PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE WOOD FENCES, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CLEAR UP. IF YOU WANTED THEM TO DO AN ADDITIONAL FENCE TO FENCE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE THINKING, OR BECAUSE THERE ARE FENCES ALONG THERE ALREADY. OR IF IT WAS REALLY MAKING THAT DISTANCE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
YEAH. THAT THAT'S I'M GOING TO BE HONEST, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS, BECAUSE I KNOW INTERNAL TO NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY ALREADY DO SHARED FENCING, WHICH IS A BLESSING AND A CURSE.
SO IF WE'RE DOING THAT FOR DEVELOPMENTS, THAT'S PROBABLY ALSO SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE. BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE'RE GOING TO COUNT THE EXISTING NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH AS THE FENCING THAT'S NEEDED, AND THEN THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS NO FENCING, THEN OBVIOUSLY THE MAINTENANCE HAS TO BE THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ALREADY TO THE NORTH.
WHEREAS OBVIOUSLY DETERIORATION IS STILL GOING TO HAPPEN FROM THE IRRIGATION, ETC., FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER NOW, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE.
I KNOW THIS IS LIKE MORE CONSTRUCTION, BUT Y'ALL AREN'T PLANNING ON LIKE BUILDING UP HIGHER, LIKE MAKING YOUR AREA HIGHER THAN THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
BECAUSE THERE'S LIKE AN APARTMENT HAPPENING RIGHT BY MY HOUSE AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS, THEY'RE GETTING FLOODED BECAUSE THEY BUILT THAT PROPERTY UP HIGHER, AND. OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. LIKE, ARE WE FILLING IN THE RIGHT? RIGHT. THE SITES. WE HAVEN'T REALLY STARTED ENGINEERING THE SITE AT THIS POINT, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE ALL OF THOSE ANSWERS. DWAYNE IS HERE.
DO YOU KNOW, LIKE, PRELIMINARILY IF THERE'LL BE ANY SUBSTANTIAL FILL? YEAH. DWAYNE KIMLEY-HORN, WE LIKE I SAID, WE HAVEN'T ENGINEERED THE SITE YET, BUT OUR INTENT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BLOCK ANY DRAINAGE.
ALL THE CONVEYANCE WILL STILL GO THROUGH JUST ALL DRAINS FROM NORTH TO SOUTH.
SO YEAH, THERE WON'T BE ANY ANY.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO CREATE ANY ADVERSE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS ON ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. SO I WAS JUST MORE WORRIED ABOUT BUILDING, EVEN JUST BUILDING YOUR BUILDINGS UP TO HAVE IT DRAIN DOWN INTO THAT AREA.
WOULD YOU MAKE THIS AREA TALLER THAN THE NORTH AREA TALLER SO IT WOULD DRAIN TO YOUR DRAINAGE AREAS, MAKING YOUR BUILDINGS EVEN TALLER TO THOSE HOUSES RIGHT BEHIND THERE IS WHAT I'M. IT'LL IT'LL BE ON GRADE.
IT'LL BE THOSE THOSE ELEVATIONS UP THERE WILL SIT PRETTY CLOSE TO PRETTY CLOSE TO THE EXISTING ELEVATIONS. OKAY.
THANK YOU. THE LAST ONE, ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE GOING AHEAD OF OURSELVES, BUT FOR SITE PLAN FOR CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE PUD.
IS THERE GOING TO BE A CONSTRUCTION ROAD OFF WHERE LIVE OAK IS BEING BUILT?
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SO THEY'LL BE COMING IN OFF OF AN EXTENSION FROM, SAY, CHRIS KELLY AND COMING OVER BECAUSE IT'S ALL CONSTRUCTION AND NOT AFFECTING THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ALREADY DRIVING ON EXCHANGE.I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW THAT'S HAVE Y'ALL THOUGHT ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THAT? IF LIVE OAK IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND IT'S POSSIBLE THEY MAY COME THROUGH THERE, DOWN CHRIS KELLY OR OVER ON THAT SIDE.
OR IT MAY BE OR ED SCHMIDT AT THAT POINT, BUT IT MAY BE THROUGH EXCHANGE, JUST LIKE THE OTHER ARES, BECAUSE IT'S A FULL PUBLIC STREET AND IT'S PRETTY WIDE. AND SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO PRETTY MUCH PERFORM LIKE ARES WHERE THE STREETS.
I MEAN, I DRIVE DOWN ALMOST EVERY DAY NOW, AND IT'S KEPT REALLY CLEAN.
AND THEY'VE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT IT IS AN INFILL. SO I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THESE NEXT TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING IN ON THIS SITE, AND THE ONE DIRECTLY WEST OF THAT WILL WORK IT OUT, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE ALL KIND OF WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE SAME ENGINEERS AND THINGS.
I THINK THEY'LL COME UP WITH SOMETHING ONCE WE GET TO THAT POINT.
OKAY. THAT'LL BE PALATABLE FOR EVERYBODY.
AND THE ONE THAT I HAD WAS KIND OF REGARDING TRAFFIC.
LOOKS LIKE YOUR LEASING OFFICE IS GOING TO BE IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE, RIGHT. WHICH, OF COURSE, THAT'S WHERE THE DELIVERY VEHICLES ARE GOING TO BE COMING THROUGH THE MOVING VEHICLES WHEN IT'S MOVING DAY.
SO THAT IS GOING TO PUSH TRAFFIC INTO YOUR SITE FURTHER NORTH ON EXCHANGE, CLOSER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IS THERE HAS IT BEEN LOOKED AT, I GUESS, OF HAVING THE LEASING OFFICE ENTRANCE IN THE, SAY, SOUTH? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT STACKING UP ON EXCHANGE? NOT SO MUCH STACKING, JUST VOLUME.
VOLUME. SO IF IF WE'VE GOT IF WE'VE GOT ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, FEDEX, AMAZON ETC., ROLLING INTO THE LEASING OFFICE ENTRANCE.
PLUS THAT'S WHERE THE MOVING VANS ARE COMING IN, THEN THAT'S A LOT OF VOLUME OF LARGER TRAFFIC VERY CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YEAH. SO I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY CONSIDERATION OR POSSIBILITY OF CONSIDERATION OF PUTTING THE LEASING OFFICE IN THE SOUTH.
SO YOU'RE COMING OFF OF WEST LIVE OAK STREET, LIVE OAK AS OPPOSED TO EXCHANGE.
RIGHT. I THINK WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE CONSIDERED IT AT THIS POINT, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT IT AS, AS AS WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION TIMING OF LIVE OAK AND COORDINATING WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER, WE'LL DEFINITELY CONSIDER THAT AND LOOK INTO IT. THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES ME NERVOUS ABOUT THAT IS IF THEY WERE TO CHANGE THAT AROUND THEY MIGHT END UP PUTTING ANOTHER APARTMENT IN THAT SPOT, ANOTHER THREE STORY IN THAT SPOT, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT REALLY ANYWHERE ELSE BESIDES MOVING ANOTHER BUILDING OR MOVE THAT BUILDING OVER THERE, RIGHT? IT WOULD HAVE TO MOVE A THREE STORY BUILDING OVER TO THAT. AND SO THEN YOU GOT ANOTHER THREE STORY CLOSE TO CLOSER TO THEIR RESIDENCE.
RIGHT. AND I LIKE THAT IT'S AT LEAST THE SMALLER BUILDINGS ON THE MAJORITY OF THAT PROPERTY IS UP CLOSER.
SO I GET WHERE YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. BUT I ALSO I DON'T KNOW IF I'D WANT A THREE STORY BUILDING NEXT TO ME.
WELL, MY OLD NEIGHBORHOOD HAD A HAD DEVELOPMENT JUST LIKE THIS HAPPENED, AND THEY HAD THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT WAS TWICE THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS, AND THEN YOU HAD TO DO A SIGHT LINE FROM THE BALCONIES, AND YOUR TREE LINE WAS BASICALLY SET SO THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO LOOK TO THE BACK PEOPLE, BACK PEOPLE'S YARDS.
I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING THE 70 FOOT BUFFER ZONE WITH LANDSCAPING ON HERE BEFORE YOU'D HAVE ANY CONSTRUCTION. YEAH.
AND I MEAN, CONSIDERING WE'RE LOOKING SCHEMATICALLY LOOKING AT THIS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOUR CARS PULLING UP TO SOMEBODY'S BACK FENCE AT NIGHT.
YOU KNOW, APARTMENTS, PEOPLE COME AND GO AT ALL TIMES.
THE DISRUPTION TO THOSE FAMILIES AND THAT ARE ALONG THAT SIDE IS A CONCERN.
AND THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE BIGGER BUFFER THERE TO MAINTAIN THAT PRIVACY THERE.
AND WITH I THINK WITH THE BIGGER BUFFER THAT WOULD MITIGATE THE THE SIGHT LINE PART OF IT.
CORRECT. BUT IT WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING TO MITIGATE THE LARGER VOLUME TRAFFIC WITH THE BUFFER, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SPACE FOR TREES. AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO IF IF WE GO TO THE 50%, THAT GIVES THEM MORE AREA TO DO, YOU KNOW, THE SPORT FIELD AND THE TREE LINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
POSSIBLE ORIENTATION TO BUILDINGS DIFFERENTLY ETC..
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S SO I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS FOR THE TIME BEING.
DO YOU WANT TO TABLE THAT TO A DATE SPECIFIC.
I KNOW THAT WE'VE HEARD SOME CONCERNS ON THE LANDSCAPING, POSSIBLY MASONRY, BUFFER YARDS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE CAN WORK OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THIS.
DO YOU WANT TO SAY GET THIS DONE, RENOTICE, AND GET IT BACK BY MARCH? WILL YOUR STAFF BE AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT DONE BY MARCH?
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YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THAN MARCH.I THINK IT'S MORE OF CAN WE GET THE APPLICANT? I MEAN, YEAH, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT TOMORROW.
AND THE SECOND QUESTION IS PREVIOUSLY WE HAD TABLED SOME THINGS TO MARCH.
IS THAT GOING TO OVERWHELM THE MARCH SCHEDULE? JUST MARCH. OKAY, THAT'S NEXT MONTH'S PROBLEM.
WE'LL BE FINE. SEVEN HOURS IS FINE.
WE'LL BE GOOD. BUT I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS AND EXPRESS THEM, I THINK WE'VE HEARD THEM AND WE CAN CERTAINLY KIND OF WRITE THEM UP.
ALL RIGHT. JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, IT'S FENCING, ORIENTING THE BUILDINGS CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD A LITTLE BIT MORE, ENHANCE BUFFERING AND SCREENING AND THEN CONSIDERING A RELOCATION OF THE LEASING. OR DO WE NOT WANT TO CONSIDER THAT? I THINK IT WAS MORE DRIVEWAY SEPARATION AS WELL, NOT JUST WHERE THE LEASING NECESSARILY COMES IN, BUT THINK OF WHERE THE THE DRIVEWAYS ARE ADJACENT TO THOSE.
THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT 50FT AWAY FROM SOMEONE'S BACK FENCE, WHICH WHOEVER LIVES ON THAT CORNER IS NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH, YOU KNOW, DELIVERY TRUCKS COMING IN CONSTANTLY THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
AND WE CAN HELP THEM TO WITH THE R'S DEVELOPMENT GOING ON ACROSS THE STREET.
WE CAN GIVE THEM THOSE LOCATIONS SO IT WILL BE BETTER TO LINE UP THOSE DRIVEWAYS.
YES. SO JUST TO CLARIFY WILL THEY BE BRINGING A NEW PROPOSAL TO THE NEXT MEETING OR WILL WE BE WILL STAFF BE PRESENTING WHAT THEY SUGGEST, THE CHANGES TO THE CURRENT PED WITH THE APPLICANT, AND WE'LL HAVE AN AMENDED AGREEMENT FOR YOU THAT ADDRESSES SOME OF THESE CONCERNS.
BUT I'D RATHER ALWAYS HAVE THE DEVELOPER COME BACK WITH WHAT THEY CAN DO ON THE SITE TO MAKE IT WORK, AND THEN WE'LL REVIEW THAT BASED ON THE UDC AND OUR REQUIREMENTS.
SO ONE SMALL ADDITIONAL NOTE I'D LIKE TO ADD THEN FOR 3.1, TALKING ABOUT AMENITIES RIGHT NOW IT STATES A POOL AND THREE OTHER AMENITIES FROM THE LIST.
I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN STATED THE SAME WAY IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, AND BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE VERBIAGE WAS, THINGS WERE NOT ACTUALLY BUILT.
FOR EXAMPLE, THIS COULD BE JUST A SPORTS FIELD.
BEING A LARGE GRASS AREA AND THE SMALL TRAIL SYSTEM BEING SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY PART OF IT. SO IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THAT CAN BE REWORDED TO ACTUALLY ENSURE THAT THE DOG PARK OR THE SPORTS COURTS OR ANY OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY FOR SURE BUILT AS PART OF THE PUD AS OPPOSED TO HAVING SOME SORT OF OPTION OF LIST? YES. YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY CONSIDER THAT.
SO A POOL, IT WOULD BE A POOL AND A DOG PARK AND A TRAIL SYSTEM AND.
YES. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTION? COMMENT, DISCUSSION REAL QUICK.
ASHLEY, YOU SAID THIS WAS PRELIMINARY.
PLATTED, BUT NOT FINAL. PLATTED, RIGHT? I WANT TO SAY THAT'S CORRECT.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS A FINAL.
OKAY. THERE IS A FINAL PLAT APPROVED. NOT RECORDED. OH, YOU DO ALREADY HAVE AN APPROVED FINAL PLAT? YES, IT'S BEEN RECORDED.
WE'RE WORKING THROUGH CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS RIGHT NOW.
OKAY. I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE, I MEAN, THERE'S THERE'S OTHER THINGS SUCH AS DRIVEWAY ALIGNMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BASED ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN VERSUS WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW.
BUT I'M ASSUMING THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED.
SO THE THE FINAL HAS THE FINAL PLAT CAME TO US ALREADY? YEAH. OKAY. THE DRIVEWAY ALIGNMENTS COME THROUGH WITH THE SITE PLAN.
TYPICALLY, UNLESS YOU'RE DOING SOME SORT OF SHARED ACCESS EASEMENT, DRIVEWAY ALIGNMENT IS NOT ALWAYS SHOWN ON PLATS.
OKAY. SO WE ADDRESS THEM WITH SITE PLAN.
GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LAWYER AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SORVAGUR TO TABLE UNTIL MARCH PNC.
OKAY. MARCH 1ST. YES. ALL RIGHT, SO WITH THAT, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF TABLING UNTIL MARCH 1ST.
SAME SIGN. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS TABLED SIX ZERO.
NEXT IS ITEM 4.6, CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED SANTA MARIA REPLAT .653 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND.
ONE COMMERCIAL LOT LOCATED AT 208 WEST AUSTIN AVENUE AND 201 WEST FRONT STREET.
COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS JUST A PUBLIC HEARING.
THE NEXT THREE PLATS ARE JUST PUBLIC HEARINGS PER OUR REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO NO ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN.
AND THESE ARE JUST DRAFT PLATS, SO.
ALL RIGHT. READY FOR ACTION. SO JUST A REALLY QUICK QUESTION.
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THE PLATS IN THE PACKET ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT WE MAY BE SEEING OR WHAT THEY ARE. THEY'RE CLOSE.THEY'RE INITIAL, BUT THEY ARE NOT THE FINAL PRODUCT.
THEY ARE NOT CORRECT. THEY ARE NOT.
TRACKS ARE CHANGING. THEY'RE A PRE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
NO THEY'RE THEY'RE SUBMITTALS.
AND IF YOU HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THEM YOU CAN SEND ME AN EMAIL.
BUT OKAY. THEY'RE ALL IN REVIEW RIGHT NOW BUT THEY'RE NOT READY TO BE APPROVED YET OKAY.
SO WITH THAT WE WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON 4.6 AT 8:24 P.M..
NOW, IS THIS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE SHOULD LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UNTIL WE COME BACK, OR IS IT ARE WE ARE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR PRELIMINARY PLATS AND RE PLATS? AND IT BECAUSE OF THE TIMING, IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE ONCE THEY GET READY TO SCHEDULE THEM FOR A MEETING THAT'S NOT SIX MONTHS, SIX WEEKS OUT. AND SO THIS IS AN APPROACH WE'RE DOING.
WE DON'T NEED TO LEAVE IT OPEN. WE JUST NEED TO HOLD IT AND CLOSE IT.
ALL RIGHT. YEAH. THIS IS IN ADDITION TO ANYTHING THAT WE'VE GOT IN STATE LAW.
AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:25 P.M., AND THERE IS NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN ON 4.6 AT THIS TIME.
ITEM 4.7 CONSIDERATION OF PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSED ON THE PROPOSED TWO NARROWS.
LOTS TWO A AND TWO B BEING A REPLAT OF LOT 220 .281 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND, ONE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOT AND ONE COMMERCIAL LOT LOCATED OFF OF CR 137.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A PUBLIC HEARING. YES, SIR. JUST A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:25 P.M..
AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:25 P.M.
4.8 CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED URBANA AT COTTONWOOD CREEK PRELIMINARY PLAT. 43.52 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND, ONE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOT AND ONE COMMERCIAL LOT LOCATED OFF OF CR 199.
AND AGAIN, JUST A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE.
THIS ONE IS NOT FULLY READY AT ALL.
GOT IT. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 08:26 P.M..
AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:26 P.M..
NO ACTION IS TAKEN. REAL QUICK ON THAT ONE.
I KNOW YOU SAID IT'S NOWHERE NEAR CLOSE.
I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS BASED ON WHAT WE HAD WENT THROUGH WITH THIS WHEN THEY PREVIOUSLY CAME THROUGH. SO SHOULD I JUST EMAIL THOSE TO YOU? YES, PLEASE. OKAY. AND THAT WILL MOVE US TO ITEM FIVE.
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR REPORT.
I HAVE NOTHING. WE WILL BRING SOME OF THESE BACK IN MARCH, AND THEN WE WILL YOU'LL BE HEARING MORE FROM US ON THE LANDSCAPING STUFF BECAUSE WE HEARD THE COMMENTS TONIGHT, SO WE'LL START WORKING ON THAT. IT WON'T BE IN MARCH, I CAN ASSURE YOU OF THAT.
BUT WE WILL START LOOKING INTO THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE WE'VE NOTICED SOME ISSUES I THINK WE NOTICED ON INDUSTRIAL.
WE'VE BEEN NOTICING ON MULTIFAMILY AS WELL. SO WE'LL START TAKING A LOOK AT THAT AND STARTING TO COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS. HONESTLY, IT PROBABLY WILL JUST BE DISCUSSION ITEMS FOR THE END OF THE MEETING WHEN WE HAVE A SHORTER MEETING THAT WE CAN JUST KIND OF HASH IT OUT, TALK IT OUT.
CERTAINLY I THINK WE HAVE SOME IN THIS GROUP THAT ARE VASTLY MORE QUALIFIED AND UNDERSTAND TREES A LOT MORE. SO WE'LL BE RELYING ON SOME OF THAT AND SOME OF OUR INTERNAL EXPERTISE AS WELL. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU AND ALL I HAVE.
JUST A REMINDER GET YOUR RECERTIFICATION OR CERTIFICATION DONE.
IS IT JUST TO VERIFY? IS IT AN ANNUAL REQUIREMENT? YES IT IS, BECAUSE FOR FOR SOME OF US THAT STARTED IN JULY, WE GOT IT IN JULY AND NEVER TOO EARLY TO DO IT.
YOU CAN I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT IN JULY.
I JUST I'M ON SO MANY THAT I JUST SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? JANUARY I DO IT OKAY. I WAS I WAS DO IT EVERY THREE MONTHS IN JULY AS WELL.
SO I WAS JUST SEEING IF IT WAS A CALENDAR YEAR REQUIREMENT.
OR YOU COULD DO IT BEFORE EVERY MEETING.
OH, YES. YES. REFRESH YOUR MIND.
GO. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT THERE BEING
NOTHING ELSE, I WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING OF THE PNC AT
08:28 P.M..
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.