Aug 07, 2025 City Council

MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

I HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT.

AND JUST TO REITERATE, CITY MANAGER'S TO MY UNDERSTANDING, IN PARKS, WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES AND THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.

WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES AND THREE ALTERNATES.

ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION. WE HAVE ONE VACANCY.

I BELIEVE IN DEIB. WE HAVE ONE VACANCY.

IN PARKS WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES.

SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE IN THE CITY TO TO MAKE AN APPLICATION FOR THAT.

WE DO HAVE ONE APPLICANT.

NOW I WAS HOPING TO GET MAYBE A COUPLE MORE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT POSITION THEY ARE, BUT I'D LIKE TO CONVENE THE THE BOARDS AND

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COMMISSION SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING.

IF NOT NEXT WEEK, THEN THE FIRST, THE EARLY THE NEXT WEEK AFTER.

BUT BUT MOST OF THE BOARDS ARE FILLED.

IT'S LOOKING GOOD. AND WE ARE REVIEWING LATER ON THE PROTOCOLS.

SO I THINK THERE'S SOME PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT.

SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO HAVE THE INPUTS AND REALLY APPLY FOR THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSION POSITIONS. THANK YOU. THANKS.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE CANDIDATE'S FULL NAME. SHE INTERVIEWED FOR DEIB, AND IT WAS NIKKI.

WHAT'S YOUR LAST NAME? REMEMBER? FIND IT REAL QUICK. I DON'T REMEMBER.

SORRY, WILLIAMSON. I'M SORRY.

NIKKI. SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? YEAH. SO WHY ARE YOU NOMINATING SOMEBODY? IT'S NOT GOING THROUGH THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE. SHE INTERVIEWED.

AND TO BE QUITE FRANK, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S A SPLIT THINKING ON MISS WILLIAMS. AND SO WE JUST HEARD WE HAVE AN OPENING, AND OH, I GUESS THAT'S WHY.

OKAY, FROM WHAT I RECALL.

AND MAYBE THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE CAN CLARIFY THIS.

WAS THIS FROM WHAT I RECALL THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE CHOSE NOT TO PUT THIS NAME FORTH WHEN THEY COULD HAVE LAST MEETING.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY.

THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND. OKAY.

MAY I ASK IF THEY'RE TO CONFIRM THAT THERE IS ONE VACANCY IN THE DEIB BOARD? YOUR CHAIR'S HERE. YES, I THINK SHE NODDED.

YES. SHE HAS NODDED. YES.

SO THERE IS OFFICIALLY A ONE VACANCY IN THE DEIB.

ALL RIGHT, SO SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP I KNOW THIS MEETING.

WE'RE NOT ASKING HOW PEOPLE VOTED AND STUFF IN NOMINATING COMMITTEE, BUT SO I, I GOT TO KNOW NIKKI.

PROBABLY I'M GOING TO SAY, WHAT, TWO YEARS AGO, THREE YEARS AGO NIKKI CAME TO ME WITH A CONCERN ABOUT.

SHE FELT LIKE SHE WAS BEING PROFILED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND SO WE MET. I LISTENED TO HER CONCERNS AND I SAID, YOU, YOU NEED TO MEET CHIEF YARBOROUGH.

BECAUSE I CAN UNDERSTAND.

I FELT LIKE I WAS PROFILED BY CERTAIN CHIEFS IN THE PAST, AND I'M LIKE, YOU NEED TO MEET YARBOROUGH BECAUSE HE'S COMPLETELY CHANGING HIM AND COMPLETELY CHANGING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND SO WE MET AT, I BELIEVE IT WAS STARBUCKS, AND WE GOT TO TALKING.

AND THEN SHE MET YARBOROUGH AND FELT BETTER, BUT THEN STILL KIND OF RESPECT THE POLICE.

WE SUGGEST YOU GO ON A RIDE ALONG.

SO I ACTUALLY WENT ON A RIDE ALONG THE SAME NIGHT.

DIFFERENT CARS TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW.

HEY, THESE THESE GUYS AREN'T SO BAD.

AND SO THEN I GOT TO KIND OF NIKKI AND THEN ABOUT I'M GONNA SAY THREE MONTHS AGO, MAYBE I MADE A A PUBLIC DEAL ABOUT THE DIB AND MY SUPPORT FOR IT.

AND NIKKI REACHED OUT TO ME AND SHE SAID SHE WANTED TO MEET, AND SHE SAID THAT SHE DID NOT SUPPORT DIB, AND SHE PROCEEDED TO TELL ME WHY.

AND WE TALKED THROUGH THIS, A VERY RESPECTFUL CONVERSATION.

SHE DIDN'T COME ACROSS AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN, QUITE HONESTLY, IT'S PROBABLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 30 AND 40% OF THE POPULATION HAS HER SAME VIEWS. AND SO I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK YOU SHOULD APPLY FOR THE THE DEIB COMMISSION.

AND MY REASONING FOR THAT WAS, IS BECAUSE WE SAY WE'RE A COMMISSION OF DIVERSITY, INCLUSION, EQUITY AND BELONGING.

AND SO IN TALKING TO HER, IT FELT LIKE HER INTERVIEW DIDN'T GO SO WELL BECAUSE MAYBE SHE DOESN'T SHARE THE SAME VIEWS AS EVERYBODY BECAUSE SHE'S MAYBE NOT A BIG FAN OF DEIB. BUT IN MY RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE HER JOIN WAS BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE INCLUSIVE OF THE ENTIRE CITY WITH 45,000 PEOPLE, WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE HONESTLY THAT THERE MAY BE A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T AGREE WITH DEIB. AND THE BEST WAY I CAN SEE TO DO THAT IS TO GET SOMEONE WHO HAS THE TACT ATTACKED AND THE ABILITY TO TALK RESPECTFULLY ABOUT DIFFERENCES AND TO SHARE THEIR CONCERNS. AND MY HOPE IS THAT BY DOING THIS, ASSUMING SHE GETS PICKED ON GETS PUT ON, IS THAT NIKKI WILL LEARN WHAT HOPEFULLY 30 OR 40% OF OTHER PEOPLE WILL LEARN, WHICH IS HOW HOW OTHER PEOPLE'S VIEWPOINTS.

HOW DO YOU DISAGREE BUT STILL RESPECT AND STILL CARE? AND THEN THERE'S A GROUP OF PEOPLE ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH EXACTLY HOW THEY FEEL, YOU'RE PAINTED AS A FILL IN THE BLANK.

AND SO I THINK, HONESTLY, IN ORDER FOR US TO HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT'S BELONGING, WE HAVE TO BELONG WITH ALL IDEAS AND ALL RELIGIONS AND ALL RACES AND ALL

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SEXUALITIES. I THINK WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB, EXCEPT FOR WHEN IT COMES TO THE MAYBE THE IDEOLOGY.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I THINK SHE'S PUT HERSELF OUT THERE BECAUSE SHE'S LITERALLY VOLUNTEERING FOR A BOARD SHE'S NOT EXACTLY IN FAVOR OF.

BUT MY HOPE IS THAT IN SIX MONTHS.

THE PEOPLE THAT YOU REPRESENT IN SOCIETY, MAYBE SHE CAN COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I'VE LEARNED A FEW THINGS, AND MAYBE THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION THAN NIKKI WILL COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T NECESSARILY BELIEVE IN WHATEVER THE BLINK IS, THEY'RE NOT THAT BAD OF PEOPLE. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT REASONS. IT COULD BE SPIRITUAL, IT COULD BE HOW THEY ARE BROUGHT UP.

AND SO I THINK IT'S A WAY FOR US TO GET ALONG BETTER IF IT WAS SOMEONE WHO HAD MAYBE NOT THE TACT AND I'D SAY LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY IT.

SOFTNESS THAT NIKKI SPEAKS.

I WOULDN'T BE MAKING THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT TRYING TO BLOW THIS UP.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS HELP MAKE THE MAKE THE TOUGH, TOUGH DECISIONS EASIER.

SO I APPRECIATE YOU FOR GETTING THAT CONVERSATION STARTED, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHY. YEAH.

KIND OF WHY? ARE WE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING? YEAH, I'D PROBABLY ECHO SOME OF THAT SENTIMENT.

MOST OF THAT SENTIMENT. YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT NIKKI WAS A STRONG CANDIDATE.

I DO. I DO BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE INCLUSIVE AND WE HAVE TO INCLUDE DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT. AND I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU WANT TO PUT US INTO SIDES.

HOWEVER, WHATEVER SIDE YOU MAY BE ON OR THINK SOMEONE ELSE IS ON YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LEARN FROM EACH OTHER AND HAVE THOSE CIVIL LOVING CONVERSATIONS. AND I THINK NIKKI I THINK SHE WOULD SHE WOULD FEEL A GOOD ROLE FOR THAT.

AND I GUESS NEWLY APPOINTED CHAIR FOR THE BOARD AND COMMISSION.

SUBCOMMITTEE? WE'RE GOING THROUGH A CITY COUNCIL PROTOCOL REVIEW.

IN FACT, LATER TONIGHT.

AND A LOT OF THIS IS COVERED IN THE PROTOCOLS.

AND AT THIS TIME ONCE THE APPLICANTS AND ANYONE JUMP IN AND TELL ME IF I'M WRONG HERE BUT THE APPLICANTS AS COLLECTED BY THE CITY SECRETARY THE LIST OF APPLICANTS AND VACANCIES WILL BE SENT TO THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE FOR CONSIDERATION.

SO WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

AND AND COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR SNYDER AND COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERVILLE IS. I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE QUALITY OF CANDIDATES.

EXCELLENT CANDIDATE MET WITH HER.

SHE WOULD DO GREAT. REALLY, IN A LOT OF LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY AS A VOLUNTEER OR BEYOND THAT.

BUT I'M JUST QUESTIONING THE PROTOCOL AND THE, THE PROCESS HERE. SO I DON'T KNOW.

AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT COVERED IS THAT IF ONCE A, A THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE HAS MADE A CONSIDERATION AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY DID NOT MAKE A MOTION AT THAT TIME, DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T OCCUR IN THE FUTURE.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS DEFER A DECISION ON FILLING ANY BOARDS OR COMMISSION UNTIL WE GET THROUGH THIS NEW PROTOCOL.

WHICH IS IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE IS THE THE ROLES.

ONE OVERALL OVERVIEW OF ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

AND AN F IS ABOUT THIS PROCESS.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

A LOT OF THIS IS AS THE PROPOSAL IS LINED OUT.

BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO ON THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION FOR THIS PROTOCOL. SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE DEFER ANY, ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS UNTIL WE CAN KIND OF REVIEW THIS PROCESS.

THE THING WITH THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD THIS PERSON PUT IN THEIR APPLICATION A WHILE BACK I THINK IT WAS ON APRIL 15TH, AND I THINK THERE MAY HAVE BEEN AN INTERVIEW OR AN OVERSIGHT. SO AND IN WORKING AND DISCUSSING WITH THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD CHAIR, WE MADE A DECISION TO RECOMMEND THIS INDIVIDUAL FOR TONIGHT.

BUT MY RECOMMENDATION IS FOR ANYTHING ELSE GOING FORWARD IS LET'S GET THROUGH THE PROTOCOLS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS TONIGHT AND THEN MOVE FROM THERE.

YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT THOUGHT. AND I DISAGREE AS WE DID JUST WE DID JUST DO IT FOR THE LIBRARY BOARD AND YEAH.

SO I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS IS OUTSIDE OF PROCESS.

WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE PROCESS.

THERE WAS ENOUGH PAUSE IN LAST MEETING FROM THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE TO NOT NOMINATE THIS INDIVIDUAL. I DON'T KNOW, NIKKI.

I DON'T KNOW YOU KNOW, WHO SHE IS, AND I'M SURE SHE'S A NICE PERSON.

BUT THERE WAS AT LEAST ENOUGH OF PAUSE AMONG THE MAJORITY OF THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE TO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE PUTTING HER NAME FORTH AT THAT TIME.

TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE THEN.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE OTHER THE FOURTH PERSON WHO'S IN THE WHO WAS IN THE INTERVIEW AND WHO IS PART OF THE INTERVIEW IS THE CHAIR OF THE DEIB.

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WE HAVEN'T HEARD, YOU KNOW, HER THOUGHTS AND GIVEN HER AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO, YOU KNOW, TO CIRCLE BACK TO SAY, YOU KNOW, YES, I'M GOOD WITH THIS NOW OR.

NO, I'M NOT. SO AGAIN, A LOT OF IT WITH MY CONCERN IS, IS A LOT OF WHAT? COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS HAS SAID IT'S IT'S IT'S PROCESS.

I LIKE HIS THOUGHT OF, YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T WE JUST DELAY THIS? AND, YOU KNOW, IF THE PROTOCOL GETS CHANGED AND IT'S DONE A DIFFERENT WAY, THEN WE CAN DO IT A DIFFERENT WAY. BUT AS IT STANDS NOW, THIS IS THIS IS COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF OUR PROTOCOL. SO AT A MINIMUM, I WOULD ASK THAT WE DELAY THIS VOTE UNTIL AFTER WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON THE PROTOCOLS TO SEE IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT OR NOT.

BUT AND IF WE DON'T, THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ALLOW HER AN OPPORTUNITY TO RE-INTERVIEW AND SEE IF ANY CONCERNS CAN BE RESOLVED THAT WAY.

SO THAT'D BE MY RECOMMENDATION. OTHERWISE, IF WE'RE GOING TO FORCE A VOTE NOW, I'M GOING TO BE A NO. JUST ON THAT ALONE.

YEAH, I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS.

IT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF PROTOCOL TO HAVE THE THE COMMISSION CHAIR SPEAK ALSO.

SO I THINK IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE OF SOME DOING SOMETHING, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING OUTSIDE OF PROTOCOLS, BUT ALSO YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS OUTSIDE OF PROTOCOLS. AND I THINK PART OF THE REASON WE HAVE THE PROTOCOL DISCUSSION IS THERE'S BEEN THIS THING WHERE THE THREE PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE TO ALL AGREE ON A PERSON, OTHERWISE THEY DON'T GET.

AND AGAIN, FOR ME I HOPE WE HAVE MORE INSTANCES COMING UP WHERE THREE PEOPLE DON'T AGREE BECAUSE IT'S THAT COLLECTIVE THOUGHT THAT'S ALWAYS THE SAME THAT MAYBE CAUSED US TO BE ONE WAY. I THINK WE NEED A DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT AND NOT TO DO PUNS HERE, BUT I MEAN LITERALLY THE NAME OF THE COMMISSION DIVERSITY, EQUITY, INCLUSION AND BELONGING.

AND I MEAN, UNLESS YOU GUYS WANT TO SAY WHY YOU DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH HER, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S BECAUSE SHE'S NOT A BIG FAN OF CERTAIN THINGS WITH DEI.

AND. YOU CAN'T BE A DEI BELONGING COMMISSION IF YOU ONLY HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE YOUR SAME THOUGHTS. AND SO IT'S YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT PROTOCOLS ARE GOING TO FIX THIS, BECAUSE IN A DAY YOU CAN MAKE THE PROTOCOLS HOWEVER YOU WANT. BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONVINCE NIKKI TO THINK DIFFERENTLY, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE IN A COUNCIL THAT DISAGREE WITH HER VIEWPOINT FROM CHANGING THEIR MIND. WE JUST NEED TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW.

ARE WE OKAY WITH DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT? EVEN IF IT SOMETIMES MAKES US UNCOMFORTABLE? OR ARE WE LOOKING FOR CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS? AND I THINK THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE HELPFUL FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE APPLYING. BUT ANYWAY, SO I THINK DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT IS A GREAT THING.

THE CONCERN I HAVE IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OBJECTIONS ARE, AND I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN.

I'M WITH YOU 75% OF THE TIME AND 25% OF IT I JUST CAN'T GET ON BOARD WITH.

OR. I JUST THINK THE WHOLE THING IS, IS, YOU KNOW, NOT WORTH DOING. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE WHERE ANYBODY WHERE THIS PERSON STANDS ON THIS IF THEY'RE AGAINST IT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE AGAINST AND WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE TO WHEN IT COMES TO WORKING WITH THE REST OF THE BOARD. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE, IS THAT I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR FROM HER? I WOULD LOVE TO.

NIKKI, DO YOU MIND TALKING TO US? AND I'D ALSO WELCOME ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT INTERVIEWED HER.

IF THERE'S CONCERNS, IF THEY WANT TO SHARE THEM AS WELL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL. GOOD EVENING.

I'M THE NIKKI THAT EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT.

SO WHEN I WENT INTO MY INTERVIEW I DID SAY THAT I RESPECT EVERYBODY.

BECAUSE I DO EVERYBODY WE'RE HUMANS, SO WE DESERVE, YOU KNOW, DECENCY TO HAVE RESPECT.

BUT WHAT I DID DO DISAGREE WITH AND I, I SAID THAT IF SOMETHING GOES AGAINST MY BELIEFS, MY VALUES AND MY MORALS, I WILL RESPECTFULLY DECLINE TO PARTICIPATE, AND I WAS ASKED WHICH WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO, AND I SAID. LGBTQ. AND I MEANT LIKE THE CELEBRATION OF PRIDE AND ALL THAT.

NOW, IF THEY NEED CLOTHING.

I'M YOUR PERSON. THEY NEED SOMEONE TO TALK TO.

I'M YOUR PERSON. BUT MAYBE THE BOARD FEELS LIKE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, YOU KNOW EXPERIENCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

BUT I AM A VETERAN, AND I DO PARTICIPATE WITH THE VFW.

I'M ALSO IN HEALTHCARE, AND SO I LOVE ALL PEOPLE.

I MAY NOT AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I KNOW HOW TO TREAT YOU WITH RESPECT.

AND IF I COULD SAY IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, YOUR PARENTS ARE MINISTERS.

MINISTERS. AND SOME OF THIS IS SOMEWHAT, I GUESS, IN A WAY, RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

YES, YES. AND LIKE I SAID, I WOULD TREAT THEM WITH THE UTMOST RESPECT.

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I RESPECT. I JUST WANT TO CELEBRATE WHAT THEY CELEBRATE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NOW, IF YOU COULD STAY.

I THINK SOME OF US ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. NOW THAT THE MAYOR HAS OPENED UP THIS DOOR, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO. SORRY TO PUT YOU IN THIS SPOT.

OKAY. THAT WAS NEVER THE INTENTION, THIS PROCESS.

AND SO I ALSO HAVE STRONG RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS.

TO MY KNOWLEDGE AND MY UNDERSTANDING, THE DIB COMMISSION WAS NEVER SET UP TO FORCE ANYONE TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST THEIR CONSCIENCE.

BUT ALSO THE DIB COMMISSION IS, IS ALSO TASKED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY GROUP FEELS WELCOMED WITHIN THE CITY OF HUTTO, INCLUDING THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY.

THAT'S ONE OF THEIR THEIR MISSIONS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE THAT THEY'RE TASKED TO DO THAT. WE READ PROCLAMATIONS MAKING SURE THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY ARE RECOGNIZED AND THAT THEY ARE WELCOME IN OUR COMMUNITY. NOT EVERYONE MAY AGREE WITH THEIR LIFESTYLE, BUT WE BUT WE STILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE, YOU KNOW, THEIR RIGHTS AS FAR AS HUMAN BEINGS, LIKE YOU SAID, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS YOU KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WE AS A CITY OR WE AS A, AS A COMMISSION WOULD REQUIRE YOU TO DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE AGAINST YOUR MORALS. AND YET, I THINK WE ALSO WANT A COMMISSION WHO IS IS OPEN ENOUGH AND WILLING ENOUGH TO TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH I, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY MAY DISAGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SPECIFICS OF YOUR PARTICULAR LIFESTYLE OR WHATEVER, I'M STILL GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE. I'M STILL GOING TO GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN IN THE PROCESS, I'M GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN THINGS.

AND MAYBE THAT I DON'T KNOW, BUT MAYBE THAT'S THE REASON WHY SOME OF THE OF THE THE PAUSE WAS THERE IS THAT IF NOT ALL THE COMMISSION IS ON BOARD WITH EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE DOING. THEY DON'T WANT IT TO BE A DISRUPTION.

POSSIBLY, I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, KIND OF WHAT? HOW WOULD YOU APPROACH IT IN IN THAT VEIN? I WOULD GO TO THE BOARD AND RESPECTFULLY DECLINE TO, YOU KNOW, BE A PART OF THAT PART, LIKE I SAID BECAUSE TO ME THEIR LIFESTYLE IS A CHOICE, RIGHT? JUST LIKE RELIGION IS A CHOICE, BUT BECAUSE IT'S IT'S OUT THERE ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, ANY PART OF THAT I WOULD RESPECTFULLY DECLINE BECAUSE OF HOW I FEEL AND MY VALUES. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I CAN'T STILL BE THEIR FRIEND.

IT DOESN'T. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I CAN'T STILL BE AN EAR FOR THEM.

OR IF THEY NEED SOMETHING THAT I CAN'T BE FOR THEM.

I'M JUST SAYING JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT PART.

EVEN IF THERE'S A PROCLAMATION AND GOOD IN GOOD STANDING AND IN MY BELIEFS, I CAN'T STAND UP HERE AND SAY I AGREE BECAUSE I WILL BE GOING AGAINST, YOU KNOW, I WILL BE FAKING AND MY HEART WOULDN'T BE IN IT.

BUT THE THING THAT I THINK ABOUT IS ALL OF YOU GUYS ARE FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS, RIGHT? ALL OF YOU DON'T AGREE ON EVERYTHING, RIGHT? BUT HERE YOU ARE COMING TOGETHER TO TRY TO MAKE THIS CITY BETTER.

I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO VOTE ME IN TONIGHT, BUT TO RECONSIDER.

MAYBE IN THE FUTURE IF THERE IS NO SPACE FOR ME.

BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT I CAN HELP MAKE AN IMPACT ON SOMEBODY.

AND THAT'S ALL I CARE ABOUT.

THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S. I APPRECIATE YOUR HONESTY AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION.

THERE'S DEFINITELY A SPACE FOR YOU HERE.

THANK YOU. GO. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH. I'M GOOD. I MEAN, NICK, I JUST I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT.

NICKY, THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT DON'T STAND UP HERE DURING CERTAIN PROCLAMATIONS. SO YOU'RE NOT STANDING WITH ME DURING A PROCLAMATION DOES NOT BOTHER ME WHATSOEVER.

WE STILL ALL HAVE A PERSONAL CHOICE AND I THINK THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF IT.

WE ALL HAVE THE PERSONAL CHOICE AND IF YOU RESPECT THAT PERSONAL CHOICE, THEN WHAT'S THE ISSUE? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

WE HAVEN'T EVER. WE'VE HAD COUNCIL MEMBERS NOT WANT TO STAND WITH THE REST OF THE COUNCIL FOR CERTAIN THINGS. WE HAVEN'T EVER MADE AN ISSUE OUT OF IT.

WE HAVEN'T. WE'VE JUST RESPECTED THEIR DECISION AND AND THAT'S THEIR DECISION.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT. SO I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO WAS THE DECISION NOT TO PUT ME THROUGH BASED ON THAT OR IS IT BASED ON LACK OF EXPERIENCE? I'LL, I'LL SPEAK FOR ME SINCE I WAS THE, THE CHAIR AT THE TIME.

SO FOR ME IT WAS A DECISION AT THE TIME THAT WE WANTED TO BASICALLY INTERVIEW EVERYONE THAT WAS WILLING TO INTERVIEW FOR THE POSITIONS.

WE HAD MULTIPLE POSITIONS. I THINK WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO OPENINGS ON DB, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. AND SO AT THE TIME, IT WAS JUST TO WAIT.

WE'VE TRIED TO GET INTERVIEWS NOW.

WE'VE SINCE CHANGED CHAIRS.

COUNCILMAN MORRIS IS NOW THE CHAIR, AND SO HE AND I HAVE WORKED TOGETHER AND

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WE'RE STILL KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET THINGS FIGURED OUT AS, AS HE STATED TONIGHT. SO WHICH, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A YEAR LONG LEARNING CURVE FOR ME, BUT SO THAT WAS REALLY THE REASON THAT WAS, FROM MY STANDPOINT, THAT I WAS WILLING TO WAIT LAST TIME.

NOW WE HAVE WE'VE REACHED OUT TO PEOPLE.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET INTERVIEWS AND IT'S TOUGH.

IT'S TOUGH TO GET, YOU KNOW, SCHEDULES ALIGNED.

FOR ME, YOU KNOW, I TOLD YOU FOR ME, I LIKED YOU FROM THE BEGINNING.

BASED ON WHAT I HEARD, I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERYONE AGREED WITH ME, BUT IT WASN'T A MATTER THAT YOU WEREN'T QUALIFIED FOR ME. IT WAS A OKAY.

I'M WILLING TO WAIT AND SEE HOW WE ARE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WILLING PEOPLE.

WE HAVE OPENINGS, AND WE HAVE WILLING PEOPLE. AND I THINK I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE ACTION.

MY, MY LAST STATEMENT WOULD BE IF I IF, IF I DON'T, I DON'T STANDING UP HERE RIGHT NOW.

I'M NOT TRYING TO CHANGE YOUR MIND.

BUT I KNOW THAT THERE IS A LITTLE CHURCH SONG THAT'S BRIGHTEN YOUR CORNER WHERE YOU ARE.

AND SO EVEN IF I'M NOT CHOSEN TONIGHT, I STILL WILL DECIDE TO MAKE SURE THAT I HELP SOMEONE IN MY COMMUNITY WHERE I WORK AT ALONG THE WAY.

SO THAT WAY SOMEONE FEELS LIKE THEY'RE STILL WANTED, REGARDLESS OF THEIR BACKGROUND.

BUT I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY.

TONIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO ALL OF YOU.

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

SO IF I REMEMBER RIGHT LAST TIME THERE WERE THERE WAS ANOTHER CANDIDATE THAT HADN'T BEEN INTERVIEWED YET AND YOU WERE TRYING TO GET THEM INTERVIEWED. IS THAT RIGHT? IS THERE ANOTHER CANDIDATE THAT'S POTENTIALLY COULD BE APPOINTED? AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

I REMEMBERED THAT THERE WERE I BELIEVE AGAIN, I'M COMING UP TO SPEED ON THIS.

THERE'S SOME ISSUES ON THE NEO GOV THAT SOME OF THIS IS NOT UPDATED.

WE CAN'T UPDATE IT. I MEAN, I'M STILL ON HERE FOR DEBATE.

OH, SO THERE'S STILL ONE POTENTIALLY ONE MORE CANDIDATE THAT HASN'T BEEN INTERVIEWED THAT COULD POTENTIALLY. OKAY. THERE'S ONE THAT WAS THAT WAS THAT APPLIED ON JUNE 1ST.

I DON'T KNOW. I'D DEFER TO.

IT WAS JUNE 1ST OF THIS YEAR.

THIS YEAR. SO THERE'S ONE ON THERE THAT THAT I DON'T KNOW IF IT GOT PUT ON THERE, BUT THERE WAS ONE THAT WITHDREW.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE PERSON OR MAYBE THAT'S THE PERSON. I KNOW THAT THE PERSON THE PERSON THAT WAS ASKED, WE WERE ASKED BY THE CHAIR TO RE-INTERVIEW THE PERSON THEY WERE THEY WERE INTERVIEWED IN 24, I BELIEVE, AND I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ENOUGH OPENINGS.

SO THEY JUST SAID, HEY, THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, WE'RE WHOEVER WE PICKED.

AND SO IT WAS ASKED THAT WE INTERVIEW THAT PERSON AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN INTERVIEWED.

RE-INTERVIEWED. CORRECT.

CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. THAT WAS A CASE WHERE IN 24 WE FELT WE HAD CANDIDATES THAT WE WOULD HAVE PICKED ALL OF THEM IF THERE WERE ENOUGH OPENINGS, BUT WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH OPENINGS. YEAH, YEAH. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE AT LEAST THERE'S AT LEAST ONE THAT IS A POTENTIAL. OKAY. OKAY.

AND TO ADD MORE CONTEXT, THERE WAS ANOTHER PERSON THAT WE INTERVIEWED, BUT THEY WERE APPOINTED LAST TIME. NO NO NO, WE WE INTERVIEWED SOMEONE FOR DIB AS WELL.

RIGHT. SOMEONE ELSE. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN EVANS WORDS, WE HAD TWO WILLING PARTICIPANTS AND TWO OPENINGS.

WE HAD NOT INTERVIEWED RE-INTERVIEWED.

THE THIRD PERSON THAT THE CHAIR ASKED US IF WE COULD INTERVIEW THAT PERSON.

YEAH, I WAS YEAH, I WAS MISTAKEN.

ACTUALLY, IT WAS A 7TH JULY SECOND AND A SIX IN JUNE 23RD.

IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE OPEN.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN INTERVIEWED OR NOT.

WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I'M GOING TO GET WITH EVERY I'M GETTING WITH EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD, OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSION HEAD AND MAKE SURE BECAUSE THE VACANCIES THAT ARE LISTED ON THE CITY WEBSITE. I DON'T THINK ARE ACCURATE.

SO SO I'M GOING TO JUST MEET WITH THEM, MAKE SURE WHAT ALL THE VACANCIES ARE, GET THAT THAT TABLE UPDATED THAT I THINK COUNCILMEMBER GORDON AND COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD HAVE WORKED ON A SPREADSHEET. GET THAT UPDATED.

JUST TAKE A SCREENSHOT OR ONE PAGE AND GET THAT OVER TO THE CITY.

IT'S NOT THE THE THING ABOUT THE WEBSITE, TO ME IS LIKE A MARKETING THING.

WE NEED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S OPEN AND WHAT'S VACANT AND SO THAT THAT WE CAN ENCOURAGE THEM TO, TO, TO APPLY.

AND SO I'M GOING TO BE TAKING ON THAT FOR FIRST OF NEXT WEEK AND GET THAT DONE.

THE OTHER THING THAT WAS KIND OF BACK TO WHAT MAYOR WAS SAYING, THE ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT WE DID APPROVE FOR THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD TONIGHT, HER EVACUATION WAS MARCH 27TH, AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME MIX UP IN GETTING HER SCHEDULED.

THERE WERE SOME MEETINGS SCHEDULED AND THEN THEY DIDN'T.

A INTERVIEW SCHEDULED.

I MEAN, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAPPEN.

SO WE JUST THOUGHT IT WAS TRYING TO GET HER UP TO SPEED.

THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD CHAIR WAS THOUGHT THIS WAS A STRONG CANDIDATE.

I THINK I CAN SHARE THAT.

AND I KNEW HER PERSONALLY, ALTHOUGH NOT UNTIL IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS

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WHEN SHE'S BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CITY MORE.

SO THAT'S WHY I KIND OF I WANTED TO MOVE THAT FORWARD, BUT ALSO KIND OF ON THE PROTOCOLS.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCILWOMAN THORNTON HAS BROUGHT UP, AS I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WHOLE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE INFORMATION SO LIKE I SAID, HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT WHAT WAS WHAT WAS THE CONCERN? WAS THERE ANY CONCERNS FROM THE CHAIR? WAS THERE ANY CONCERNS FROM JUST ONE INDIVIDUAL MEMBER? WAS THERE SOME CONSENSUS? I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S IN THIS CASE AT ALL.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK IF THE IF THE PROTOCOL IS GOING TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT WE GET ALL THE INFORMATION OUT TO ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHETHER THERE'S A SUBCOMMITTEE OR NOT, THEN WE CAN MAKE A BETTER DECISION WHEN WE'RE MAKING, WHEN WE'RE WHEN WE'RE MAKING THE MOTIONS AND GOING FROM THERE. AGAIN, REFERRING BACK TO THE PROTOCOLS AND TO PROVIDE MORE CLARIFICATION ON VERONICA MAXEY, SHE WAS INTERVIEWED LAST YEAR.

SHE WAS ANOTHER CASE OF WE HAD MORE APPLICANTS THAN WE HAD OPENINGS.

AND SO SHE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT SAID, HEY, WE'D APPOINT YOU IF WE HAD AN OPENING, BUT YOU DIDN'T MAKE THIS CUT.

AND, YOU KNOW, STAY TUNED IF THERE'S ANOTHER OPENING OUT, A SIDEWAYS.

YEAH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE MAYOR SNYDER I COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON I COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD I MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON I COUNCILMEMBER GORDON I COUNCILMEMBER MORRIS I COUNCILMEMBER KING I. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR SEVEN ONE?

[7.2. Consideration and possible action regarding recommendations or updates from City Council sub-committees (i.e. HISD, CIP, UDC). ]

WE'LL MOVE ON TO SEVEN TWO CONSIDERATION.

POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RECOMMENDATIONS OR UPDATES FROM CITY COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEES.

THE ISD SUBCOMMITTEE MET AND THEN MAYOR PRO TEM.

I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. I'M DRAWING A BLANK. WE.

OWE THORNTON. YEAH. WANT TO HELP ME OUT ON THIS ONE? IT WAS REALLY JUST A GENERAL DISCUSSION OF, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE'RE STARTING OFF THE NEW YEAR. LET'S KICK AROUND SOME DIFFERENT CONCERNS THAT WE ALL HAVE WITH TRAFFIC AND AND THE GROWTH OF THE CITY AND ALL THAT.

THERE WASN'T A LOT OF SPECIFIC CONVERSATION ABOUT ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE THAT I CAN RECALL.

IT WAS MORE A GENERAL, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DEAL WITH ALL THIS STUFF AND, AND KIND OF GETTING TO KNOW EACH OTHER A LITTLE BIT? YEAH, THERE'S A NEW BOARD PRESIDENT, A NEW BOARD VICE PRESIDENT.

AND FOR THOSE THAT MAY NOT KNOW, COULD YOU SHARE THOSE NAMES? AMY ENGLISH IS THE PRESIDENT AND FELIX CHAVEZ IS A VICE PRESIDENT.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL ON THAT ONE, I THINK I KNOW WE HAD THE SIP.

I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST MEETING. THE SIP COMMITTEE MET. WE'VE ASKED STAFF TO PROVIDE US KIND OF AN UPDATED TO PROGRESS TO THE NEXT MEETING.

WE'VE ASKED STAFF TO PROVIDE US AN UPDATED.

SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE PROJECT ANTICIPATED COSTS AND WHERE WE'RE AT.

POTENTIALLY THE PNC HAS A MORE UPDATED VERSION OF WHAT WE HAD.

AND SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL THE INFORMATION WE HAVE IS EXACTLY UP TO DATE.

AND THEN WE WANTED TO MEET WE ASKED TO MEET WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ENGINEER AS A GROUP, JUST TO DISCUSS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE WERE THINKING IN TERMS OF PROJECT PRIORITIES. I FORGOT WHO'S ON THAT.

YOU'RE ON THAT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I'M MISSING? NO. ALL RIGHT.

AND WE HAD THE UDC SUBCOMMITTEE.

WE WERE HALFWAY THROUGH CHAPTER THREE.

I KNOW I'VE PUT CHAPTER ONE AND TWO OUT ON THE MESSAGE BOARD.

CHAPTER THREE. WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH, AND I BELIEVE THE TWO COMMON THEMES WE HAVE IN CHAPTER THREE, IF YOU'LL HELP ME OUT, COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS IS WE'RE TAKING A HARD LOOK AT ANYTHING THAT STAFF DISCRETION OR ANYTHING THAT'S SUBJECTIVE.

THE POINT BEING IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS THAT WE CAN, IN TALKING TO THE CITY MANAGER, WE CAN PROTECT THE SAFETY OF OUR CITY, THE LOOK OF THE CITY. BUT REALLY LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE THING.

WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DIGGING IN ON AND IS THAT IMPORTANT? AN EXAMPLE IS THROUGHOUT CODE IT HAS SEVERAL MENTIONS OF CANOPY TREES.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO CANOPY TREES AND AN ORNAMENTAL TREE EVERY 50FT OF, OF FRONTAGE. BUT THE CANOPY TREES HAVE A MATURE GROWTH OF 80 TO 120FT.

SO POTENTIALLY YOU'RE MANDATING PEOPLE TO PUT TREES EVERY 25FT THAT AFTER TEN OR SO YEARS, THEY'LL NEVER REACH THEIR FULL MATURITY BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN EACH OTHER.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND, YOU'LL SEE PEOPLE PUTTING TREES AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS UP HERE ALL THE TIME WHERE THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, YOU'RE MAKING US PUT IN SO MANY TREES. IT PHYSICALLY IS NOT EVEN HEALTHY.

AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW DO WE DO IT IN A MANNER WHERE WE GET WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS AS TREES, BUT WE GET WHAT WE I THINK ULTIMATELY WANT IS 20 YEARS FROM NOW, A VERY WELL CANOPIED CITY WITH HEALTHY, MATURE TREES.

AND THEN I THINK ANOTHER ONE WE CAME UP WITH IS PRETTY BIG.

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WE MANDATE A LOT ON PARKING AND WE MANDATE EVERYTHING FROM THE SIZE OF THE PARKING.

WE MANDATE HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS YOU HAVE TO HAVE, HOW MANY BICYCLE SPOTS YOU HAVE TO HAVE, AND HOW MANY MOTORCYCLE SPOTS YOU HAVE TO HAVE. AND FREQUENTLY PEOPLE COME UP AND THEY TALK TO US ABOUT, LIKE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAD TO HAVE A VARIANCE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE MOTORCYCLE PARKING AT THE SCHOOL.

WELL, YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE. THAT'S ODD, RIGHT? BUT WE MANDATED IT. AND SO WHAT WE'RE KIND OF THINKING THAT WE WANT TO BRING BACK TO THE COUNCIL. ONE OF THE THINGS IS IN SOME AREAS OF TEXAS, THEY HAVE A MINIMUM REQUIRED PARKING.

IN OTHER AREAS, THEY HAVE A MAXIMUM REQUIRED PARKING. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT GOING, THERE'S SO MANY. AUSTIN RIGHT NOW DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A PARKING MINIMUM.

AND SO WHY ARE WE AS A GOVERNMENT TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO BUILD THEIR BUILDINGS AND HOW TO PUT THE PARKING IN, WHERE TO PUT IT IN, AS LONG AS YOU CAN FIT A CAR IN THERE AND IT'S NINE BY 18, WHICH IS A COMMON SIZE, WE'RE KIND OF THE OPINION THAT, SHOULDN'T THAT BE GOOD ENOUGH? BECAUSE NOW YOU DRIVE BY SOME PLACES AND THEY'RE UNDER PARKED.

THAT SOMETIMES IS GOVERNMENT, SOMETIMES THE PLACE IS OVER PARKED AND THAT'S GOVERNMENT. AND WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE JUST SO FAR INTO THIS.

SO IT'S LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT IN CHAPTER THREE THAT WE GOT INTO AND THEN WE'RE MEETING WITH COMING UP, WE'RE GOING TO MEET WITH JAMES AND I THINK ASHLEY, THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND A CITY ENGINEER TO MAKE SURE, LIKE, WE'RE NOT. HE SAID THERE'S LIKE, WHAT'D YOU SAY, A LIBERTARIAN TYPE VIEW.

WE DON'T WANT THAT. RIGHT? WE DO NOT WE DON'T. WE DON'T WANT THAT.

BUT WE WANT TO TRULY LOOK, WE WANT A LIBERTARIAN FLAVOR, RIGHT? A LIBERTARIAN FLAVOR.

REALLY FOCUSING ON OUR BEST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MAY BE WHAT WE TRULY CARE ABOUT AND THEN WHAT WE DON'T CARE ABOUT.

I'LL GIVE YOU ONE LAST EXAMPLE WE CAME UP WITH.

WE JUST HAD A PERSON TALK ABOUT PARKING ON THE STREET.

WELL, I WOULD CHALLENGE IF YOU GO TO THE BROOKLYN'S AN EXPLORER.

BARELY FITS ON A DRIVEWAY WITHOUT OVERHANGING THE SIDEWALK.

AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE BROUGHT AND TALKED ABOUT IS IF YOU MEASURE AN F-150, THEY'RE LIKE 17FT LONG.

SO THE DRIVEWAY OUGHT TO BE 19FT LONG BEFORE YOU HIT THE THE SIDEWALK.

IT OUGHT TO BE WIDE ENOUGH TO WHERE YOU CAN PARK TWO VEHICLES, BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S PARKING IN THE STREET BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FIT THE VEHICLES ON THE DRIVEWAY. THEN THEY DON'T PARK IN THE GARAGE BECAUSE AN EXPLORER DOESN'T FIT IN MOST GARAGES. AND SO WE'RE LIKE, WE WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT THE LOOK OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE, BUT WE'RE FORGETTING THAT YOU CAN'T PARK VEHICLES IN IT. YOU CAN'T PARK IT ON A DRIVEWAY. THEY'RE PARKED ON THE STREET, AND NOW WE'RE COMING THROUGH SAYING, YOU CAN'T PARK ON THE STREET. AND WE'RE KIND OF GOING, WE'RE DOING THIS ALL WRONG.

MAYBE WE OUGHT TO MAKE SURE THE VEHICLE FITS IN THE GARAGE, IT FITS ON THE DRIVEWAY.

AND THEN WE STOP CARING ABOUT THAT.

THE FRONT WINDOW IS THREE FEET OFFSET FROM THE BACK, AND THE ARTICULATIONS ARE A CERTAIN WAY BECAUSE THAT'S NO ONE'S PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT. SO THOSE ARE SOME THINGS WE'RE REALLY HITTING, TRYING TO REALLY DIAL IT DOWN AND GET IT SIMPLIFIED TO WHERE MAYBE PEOPLE AREN'T SO FRUSTRATED WITH US WHEN THEY IS.

THAT SUM IT UP PRETTY WELL. YEAH.

OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT SOME OF THE THERE'S QUITE A FEW NOTATIONS IN THERE ABOUT DIRECTING AN INDIVIDUAL, WHETHER IT BE IN SOME CASES, A CITY ENGINEER OR THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, OR THEY'RE GIVING THE AUTHORITY TO REVIEW AND AUTHORIZE WAIVERS AND VARIANCES.

AND ONE, I'M NOT QUESTIONING WHETHER THOSE ENTITIES WOULD MAKE A GOOD CHOICE OR NOT.

I HAVE NO, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

BUT DO WE WANT TO BURDEN, YOU KNOW, ON 2 OR 3 OR FOUR DOZEN INSTANCES IN THIS UDC WHERE THE CITY ENGINEER OR THE PLANNING DIRECTOR OR THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR HAS TO GO IN AND LOOK AT SOMETHING AND MAKE A JUDGMENT CALL, AND I KNOW THEIR JUDGMENT WOULD BE GOOD, BUT TRYING TO REDUCE THE LOAD ON THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY BUSY AS WELL.

AND IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S A COMMON VARIANCE OR WAIVERS, WHY DON'T WE DOCUMENT THAT? I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL KNOWS WHAT THAT DOCUMENTATION IS, BUT I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT DO KNOW, SHOULD IT BE SHOULD IT BE WRITTEN DIFFERENTLY, TO BE MORE KIND OF HARD AND FAST? THERE'S QUITE A FEW INSTANCES WHERE THE TABLES AND THE TEXTS DO NOT ALIGN OR HAVE A CHART FOR THIS ZONING AND THESE, WHETHER IT'S SPECIAL PERMITS OR, OR WHETHER IT'S LIMITED BY SUCH AND SUCH.

AND YOU GO TO THE TEXT, THE CORRESPONDING TEXT TO IT.

AND THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT AGREEING. AND THERE ARE MAYBE 50 OR 60 OF THESE REFERENCES.

THERE'S ALSO NOT AS MANY TIMES, BUT THERE'S IMAGES VERSUS TEXT THAT THAT ARE LIKE LIKE ON A ROAD, LET'S SAY A DRIVE THROUGH FOR A BANK THAT DRIVE THROUGH MUST CANNOT FACE THE ROAD. YET THE DIAGRAM THAT REFERENCES IN THE TEXT SHOWS THE DRIVE THROUGH FACING THE ROAD.

SO THERE'S PROBABLY 30 OR 40 OF THESE.

NOW THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF NITPICKING MAYBE.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO A DEVELOPER COMING IN AND LOOKING AT THIS, WHICH DO I GO BY? AND IF THEY DECIDE ON ONE THING AND THEN IT COMES BACK TO PLANNING OR PLANNING AND ZONING

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OR BACK TO THE CITY STAFF.

WELL, YOU SAID THE PICTURE SAYS I COULD DO THIS. WHY CAN'T I DO THIS? WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO FOREGO ANY OF THOSE POSSIBILITIES.

AND ANOTHER GENERAL THING IS KIND OF JUST INTENTIONS.

I KNOW THAT'S HARD TO THAT'S KIND OF A NEBULOUS STATEMENT, BUT WHAT'S THE INTENTION OF THIS? AND IN EACH ONE OF THE SECTIONS THEY'LL BE SAY THE APPLICABILITY.

WHAT'S THE INTENTION IS AND THERE'S A DESCRIPTION THERE.

AND SOMETIMES THE INTENTION IS MISSING.

SOMETIMES THERE'S SOME THERE'S SOME INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN DIFFERENT SECTIONS WITHIN THE SAME CHAPTER.

SO WE'RE JUST REVIEWING ALL THAT.

OBVIOUSLY THE EXPERTS ARE GOING TO BE OUR CITY STAFF AND OUR ENGINEERING CREW AND ENGINEERING DIRECTOR AND OUR PLANNING DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AS WELL.

AND BUT WE'D JUST LIKE TO BRING UP THESE POINTS AND HAVE THEM REVIEWED.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO BRING BACK SOME OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING PEOPLE, MAYBE GET THEM INVOLVED.

AND KIND OF LOOKING AT THIS, HAVING SOME INFORMAL MEETINGS, OR MAYBE I CAN MEET WITH A FEW OR SOMEONE CAN MEET WITH A FEW OF THE MEETINGS AND KIND OF GET A KIND OF TRANCE. WHAT FLAVOR? WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO AND WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT AND WHAT'S KIND OF THE CATEGORIES OF THE THINGS. SO BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, I ASSUME THAT P AND Z WILL HAVE SOME INPUT WHEN THIS COMES BACK OR NOT.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE CONSULTANT GETS INVOLVED, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THAT'S GOOD. I GUESS I SHOULD ADD TO THE LAST THING WE HAD WAS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE PASSING, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS.

AND SO SOME OF THAT STUFF IS GETTING VERY COMPLICATED.

WE'RE LIKE, WELL, IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS, HOW CAN WE AS SEVEN BE EXPECTED TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING? AND PEOPLE ASKING FOR VARIANCES ON ITEMS WHEN WE DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CODE IS.

AND SO WE WANT TO JUST BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND AND IT WRITTEN IN A MANNER TO WHERE A HOMEOWNER OR A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER CAN MAKE SOME CHANGES, AND NOT ALL OF A SUDDEN GET SLAPPED WITH FINES AND NOTICES FOR BREAKING THE CODE.

WHEN THEY READ THE CODE, THEY THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE FOLLOWING IT, BUT IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE A COMPLICATED CODE THAT SOMETIMES CONFLICTS.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT KIND OF, I DON'T WANT TO SAY DUMB IT DOWN, BUT MAKE IT TO WHERE WE ALL UNDERSTAND IT, AND IT'S NOT OVERLY COMPLICATED.

A LITTLE MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD. YEAH.

YEAH, DEFINITELY. I HAVE A QUESTION.

HOW MANY SUBCOMMITTEES DO WE HAVE CURRENTLY? ISD CIP UDC. PUBLIC SAFETY.

PUBLIC SAFETY. LEGISLATIVE.

I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE A LEGISLATOR? THERE WAS.

OKAY. AND THEN WHAT? COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ON THOSE COMMITTEES? ISD IS MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON AND I.

CIP IS ME. COUNCILMAN MORRIS.

IS IT MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON UDC.

ME. MORRIS. THORNTON. NO, NO.

ME MORRIS. PORTERFIELD.

THE POLICE SUB IS ME GORDON KING.

AM I MISSING ANY? YES, SIR.

OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD WORK GOING ON WITH THESE SUBCOMMITTEES. SO EXCITED TO HEAR ALL ABOUT THAT.

I ALSO THINK THAT WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION ABOUT DIB JUST NOW.

JUST WANT TO CALL OUT. THAT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A COUPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS ON MULTIPLE SUBCOMMITTEES. AND JUST LOOKING AT THE SUBCOMMITTEES THAT WE HAVE, I HAVE NOT BEEN ASKED TO BE ON A SUBCOMMITTEE.

I FEEL IT'S A LITTLE DISCRIMINATIVE TO NOT HAVE DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT.

NOT SURE YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS WARRANTED FROM, BUT WOULD APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE ON ONE OF THESE SUBCOMMITTEES AND BENEFIT THE CITY OF HUTTO BY PROVIDING MY INPUT WITH ANY OF THE GOOD WORK THAT WE HAVE GOING ON.

THERE IS A BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS SUBCOMMITTEE. I'LL JUST ASK YOU THIS. ARE YOU WILLING TO SERVE WITH ME? I KNOW IN THE PAST YOU HAVEN'T BEEN WILLING TO SERVE WITH ME.

I'VE NEVER SAID THAT. MAYOR.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD GET THAT.

BUT LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING ASKED TO BE ON A SUBCOMMITTEE TO BENEFIT THE WORK THAT'S GOING ON HERE IN THE HUTTO. DEFINITELY.

I APOLOGIZE FOR YOU FEEL LEFT OUT OF MY UNDERSTANDING DIFFERENTLY, BUT WE'LL DEFINITELY WE'LL DEFINITELY RECTIFY THAT.

RIGHT. MOVING ON. I'VE ASKED IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS.

I'VE ASKED FOR EIGHT ONE TO GO TO THE END OF THE MEETING.

THE CITY MANAGER'S CONCURRED. MAYOR, CAN WE MOVE UP CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS?

[10. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS]

THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, I HAVE NONE.

ALL RIGHT THEN. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS WE WISH TO SEE PULLED FROM THE CONSENT? YEAH, I'VE GOT. I'VE GOT ONE.

LET'S SEE. TEN, SIX. REQUEST THAT ONE BE PULLED.

I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE I'D LIKE TO PULL.

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TEN. FOUR. TEN. FOUR. TEN.

FIVE. TEN. FIVE. THERE'S NO OTHERS.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE. TEN. ONE. TEN.

TWO. TEN. THREE. TEN. SEVEN.

TEN EIGHT. TEN NINE. 1010.

AND 1011. SO MOVED. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON.

AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

COUNCIL MEMBER. GORDON. AYE. COUNCILMEMBER. PORTERFIELD. AYE. COUNCILMEMBER. KING. AYE.

MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

NEXT WE HAVE ITEM TEN FOR CONSIDERATION.

[10.4 Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-179 authorizing the City Manager to execute a service agreement with OMEGA to provide building office modifications by creating two office spaces from existing office in the amount of $17,500 at the Police Department main building, using the Carpentry Trade Services Master Agreement with OMEGA Industries, Inc. (Rick Coronado)]

POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R, DASH 2025.

DASH 179. AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH OMEGA TO PROVIDE BUILDING OFFICE MODIFICATIONS BY CREATING TWO OFFICE SPACES FROM EXISTING OFFICE IN THE AMOUNT OF 17,500 AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MAIN BUILDING USING THE CARPENTRY TRADE SERVICES MASTER AGREEMENT WITH OMEGA INDUSTRIES INCORPORATED.

YES. I WANTED TO PULL THAT ONE BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND A COUPLE THINGS. ONE, THIS REALLY JUST LOOKS LIKE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF CITY MANAGER EARP'S NOT HERE, BUT, RICK, IF YOU CAN ANSWER IF IF THIS IS REALLY JUST A CHANGE ORDER TO AN EXISTING CONTRACT, IS THAT WHAT THIS IS? ULTIMATELY, WE'RE TRYING TO TACK ON BECAUSE WE BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET THE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL CALL IT REMODELS, NOT REMODEL, BUT. OKAY.

YEAH. RICK CORONADO, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR THE FACILITY DIVISION IS UNDERNEATH PUBLIC WORKS. SO WE INITIATED A MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT LAST YEAR IN WHICH OMEGA PROVIDES CARPENTRY SERVICES. SO THEY THEY BID ON THAT.

AND SO WE HAVE THAT AS A MASTER AGREEMENT.

WE'VE USED TWO AGREEMENTS.

OR AT LEAST WE'VE EXECUTED TWO PROJECTS, ONE RELATED TO THE COURTS PROJECT WHERE WE DID SOME CUSTOMER SERVICE MODIFICATIONS.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ONE ITEM FROM OMEGA ON PARKS.

SO BOTH THOSE TOGETHER ARE BELOW THE COUNCIL AUTHORITY.

WHAT THIS IS, IS AN ADDITIONAL PROJECT TO MODIFY THE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICE.

AND SO THAT EXCEEDS THE 50,000.

THAT'S WHY IT'S COMING TO YOU.

BUT IT'LL BE JUST, YOU KNOW, AN ATTACHMENT TO THAT MASTER AGREEMENT GIVING AUTHORIZATION IN EXCESS OF 50,000 FOR THAT PARTICULAR CONTRACTOR.

YOU'RE SAYING AMENDMENT, BUT I KEEP HEARING CHANGE ORDER TO TO AN ORIGINAL SCOPE. IT'S NOT A CHANGE, THOUGH.

YEAH, IT'S NOT A CHANGE ORDER. IT'S AN ADDITIONAL PROJECT.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE A TASK ORDER.

THEY ADDING TO THE ORIGINAL SCOPE, THOUGH, CORRECT? WE'RE ADDING WE'RE CREATING A NEW PROJECT IN WHICH THEY AUTHORIZED.

WE AUTHORIZE A MASTER AGREEMENT. NOT WITH ANY AMOUNT.

SO WE HAD BIDDING PRICES.

AND SO THIS IS COMING TO YOU AS A BID PRICE.

SO THEY PROVIDED US A QUOTE, AND THEY HAVE ALREADY PREDETERMINED OURS.

AND ANY MATERIALS CONTRACT A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT HAS TO BE AUTHORIZED AS WELL.

AND SO THIS IS A NEW PROJECT, BUT IT'S ONLY DEDICATED TO PD MODIFICATIONS.

OKAY. IF THAT HELPS. SURE.

YEAH. NO, THAT GIVES US MORE WHAT I DON'T KNOW AND I DON'T IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS.

DO WE HAVE DO WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS? I'M KIND OF WONDERING.

I WON'T BEAT AROUND THE BUSH FOR ME.

AND I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE. WHEN YOU WATCH THE PENNIES, THE DOLLARS WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF. 17,500 IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY, BUT FOR PUTTING A WALL IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY.

AND I'M NO EXPERT. I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONSTRUCTION BACKGROUND, BUT I'M KIND OF WONDERING, DO WE DO WE? WOULD IT BE BETTER IF WE WENT OUT FOR BID? DO WE HAVE SUCH STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU KNOW, BILLY BOB'S CONSTRUCTION SERVICE OUT OF HUTTO CAN'T BID ON THIS OR.

I'M JUST WONDERING. HERE'S WHAT I'M.

I'M WONDERING HOW WE CAN BRING THE PRICE DOWN. 17 FIVE IS A LOT.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE THIS COMPANY IS COMING OUT OF DALLAS. I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S TRAVEL COSTS. THERE'S JUST A LOT OF OVERHEAD. THAT I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW. YES. WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE.

YOU KNOW, CHIEF'S ALREADY TOLD US WE WE'RE WELL AWARE OF THE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND YOU KNOW HOW WELL THEY'RE USING THE SPACE AND WHY WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, PUT THIS WALL UP. BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY WE'RE SPENDING $17,500 ON A WALL.

SO. SO IN ADDITION TO THE WALL MODIFICATION, THERE'S ELECTRICAL.

SURE, THERE'S HVAC, THERE'S DOOR REPLACEMENT.

SO IT'S NOT JUST A WALL.

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THERE'S OTHER COMPONENTS AND AUXILIARY COMPONENTS TO THAT.

SO TO YOUR POINT, I'M SURE IF IT WAS JUST PUTTING UP A WALL DIVIDER, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE THING. BUT THEY HAVE TO RE-ORIENTATE THAT, THAT THAT OFFICE, THEY'VE GOT TO ADD A LIGHT SWITCH.

YEAH. PUT A DOOR IN I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT. YEAH. SO.

SO IT'S MULTIPLE COMPONENTS IN IN THE TRADES THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. SO AND JUST TO, TO CLARIFY IS WE DID PUT THIS OUT FOR BID.

AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE BIDDING PROCESS TO DETERMINE SOME OF THE RATES AND THE RATE STRUCTURES IN ADVANCE OF PRETTY MUCH IT WAS LAST YEAR. WAIT A MINUTE.

SORRY. YOU PUT THIS OUT TO BID LAST YEAR.

WE PUT IT OUT TO BID FOR THE TRADES AGREEMENTS.

AND SO COMPANIES HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BID ON DIFFERENT RATES.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, IS USING THAT MASTER AGREEMENT.

AND WITH THE THE BIDS THAT WERE ALREADY ASKED FOR, IT'S NOT WE DIDN'T BID ON THIS JOB.

WE BID ON THE RATE STRUCTURE.

AND AND SO THAT ALLOWS US TO COMPETITIVELY LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PROVIDING A GOOD NUMBER.

I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO.

NO. GO AHEAD. IF YOU GOT SOMETHING TO ASK, GO AHEAD. I'VE GOT SOMETHING TO ASK ON THIS ONE. HOW LONG AGO DID YOU GO OUT TO BID? THIS ONE. LET'S SEE. IT WAS.

SEPTEMBER. LET'S SEE HERE.

RESOLUTION WAS 2004 OR 24, 217.

SEND IT BACK UP. MATERIAL HERE, SIR.

17. AND IF I'M UNDERSTANDING.

RIGHT. THIS ISN'T. YOU DIDN'T BID OUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT YOU BID OUT THE TRADE SERVICE, THE TRADE SERVICES, WHICH IS BASICALLY SAYING IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A TRADES CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF HUTTO, THEN BID TO GIVE US YOUR RATES SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF COMPARE AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE BEST RATE POSSIBLE. IS THAT RIGHT? SO SO THE ASSUMPTION IS BECAUSE THEY WERE THE THE BEST ONE AND THEY RECEIVED THE, THE CONTRACT THAT ANYONE THAT YOU WOULD GO OUT AND BID OUT TO NOW WOULD BE PROBABLY HIGHER. CORRECT. THAT'S THAT'S THE REASON FOR DOING IT THE WAY WE WE DID IT LAST YEAR IS THAT THAT'S KIND OF HOW I UNDERSTOOD THE PROCESS. YEAH. WE DID MULTIPLE TRADES, EVERYTHING FROM CARPENTRY TO MASONRY ELECTRICAL, HVAC. AND SO THOSE DIFFERENT TRADES CAME TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

WE'RE EXERCISING THOSE TRADES FOR MULTIPLE PROJECTS.

AND SO AND THIS WAS SUMMER OF LAST YEAR.

OKAY. AND DID YOU PUT THAT OUT TO BID FOR COMPANIES IN ROUND ROCK, GEORGETOWN, CEDAR PARK? BECAUSE OMEGA, THEY'RE HEADQUARTERED OUT OF DALLAS.

SO AND AND WE'VE BEEN USING OMEGA.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.

CORRECT? CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT.

WE HAVE USED THEM FOR TWO PROJECTS ALREADY.

OKAY. DALLAS SEEMS KIND OF FAR.

YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN WHEN YOU'RE GOING OUT TO BID AND YOU'VE GOT COMPANIES IN HUTTO, ROUND ROCK, GEORGETOWN, WHEREVER TO THAT COULD PROBABLY PERFORM THE SAME WORK AND PROBABLY END UP SAVING US MONEY RATHER THAN TRAVELING ALL THE WAY FROM DALLAS. SO I'M HAVING A HARD TIME, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING WHY WE WOULD CHOOSE OMEGA.

BEING, YOU KNOW, WORKING AS A PROJECT MANAGER, I'VE ALWAYS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT ALL BIDS AND TO COMPARE THEM SIDE BY SIDE AND TO SEE WHO HAS THE EXPERIENCE AND WHO HAS THE TRACK RECORD.

AND WE DON'T ALWAYS WE DIDN'T ALWAYS CHOOSE THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER OR THE LOWEST BIDDER. WE CHOSE THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER.

BUT I GOT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU TO ME AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT TO ME, THIS SOUNDS ALMOST LIKE, OKAY, WE WENT OUT TO BID BECAUSE WE HAD TO, BUT BECAUSE WE LIKE OMEGA, WE CHOSE THEM IF I COULD, I THINK, I THINK WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS WE WENT OUT TO BID AND THEY PROVIDED THE LOWEST RATE. SO MAYBE THEY'RE WHATEVER $200 AN HOUR.

RIGHT. AND OTHER PEOPLE WERE. 225 TWO 5300.

CORRECT. RIGHT. AND SO I THINK THE ISSUE, THOUGH, THAT WE MIGHT BE HAVING IS, IS THEY MAY BE THE LOWEST RATE,

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BUT IF THEY'RE USING MORE HOURS TO GET THE SAME JOB DONE, WE'RE ACTUALLY PAYING MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE LOWEST RATE, BECAUSE SOME OF US KNOW CONSTRUCTION A LITTLE BIT.

AND WE'RE TAKEN ABACK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE 17,000 BECAUSE, LIKE HAVING BUILT OUT A SPACE BEFORE JUST 18 MONTHS AGO, A WALL 20FT TALL, WHATEVER IT WAS, 180FT DEEP.

I THINK IT WAS LIKE EIGHT GRAND AND IT HAD ELECTRICAL ALL UP AND DOWN IN IT, AND IT HAD HVAC. SO I THINK THAT'S MAYBE PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SEEING IS WE GOT THE CHEAPEST RATE, BUT IT'S LIKE A MECHANIC.

I'LL CHARGE $80 AN HOUR, AND THIS MECHANIC MAY BE $100 AN HOUR, AND THEY CAN GET IT DONE IN THREE HOURS AND $80 AN HOUR.

GUY IS GETTING IT DONE IN SIX HOURS.

AND HOURS. SO YOU PAY MORE MONEY, BUT YOU PAY LESS HOUR.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE ULTIMATELY IS. SO LET ME CLARIFY.

ALSO IT'S NOT THAT WE SELECTED.

WE TYPICALLY WILL GO OFF OF WHATEVER CONTRACTS WE HAVE CURRENTLY.

AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE IF IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE OF THESE CONTRACTS, THEY WOULD BE INDIVIDUALLY BID.

AND THAT'S, THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE MASTER AGREEMENT OR THE TRADES AGREEMENT.

SO WE COULD HAVE READY TO GO, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTOR THAT COULD FACILITATE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT OCCUR OVER THE YEAR.

AND SO IN, IN THIS SITUATION THAT WAS THE EXISTING CONTRACT THAT WAS BID.

AND IT DIDN'T EXCLUDE ANYONE FROM NOT BIDDING.

IT'S JUST WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF LOCAL PARTICIPATION.

SO WE DO GET AT TIMES VENDORS OR CONTRACTORS THAT ARE NOT IN THE IMMEDIATE THEY MAY HAVE OFFICES IN HERE. AND SO THAT'S THE CASE HERE IS THEY DON'T TRAVEL FROM DALLAS.

THEY'RE IN THE IN THE CENTRAL TEXAS AREA.

AND THAT'S THE CASE WITH ALL THE OTHER KIND OF TRADES AS WELL.

SO I GUESS MY CONCERN AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT CHIEF TO HATE ME.

I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WANT TO SOUND RUDE, BUT IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE WE WENT WITH THE EASY THING. WE ALREADY HAVE A CONTRACT, SO LET'S GET THEM TO BID IT, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON AND GET THIS DONE QUICK. AS MUCH AS I LIKE TO MOVE FAST, THERE'S ALSO SOME VALUE IN SLOWING DOWN TO SPEED UP.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TAKE THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT TO BID TO SEE IF WE CAN GET IT DONE LOCALLY FASTER. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S MY CONCERN IS LIKE LIABILITY.

THEY HAVE TO CARRY SO MUCH INSURANCE OR I DON'T KNOW ALL THE RULES AROUND THAT, JAMES, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S INFLATED.

EVEN IF THEY'RE OUT OF TOWN, THEY'RE USING SUBCONTRACTORS LOCALLY, WHICH I'M ALSO NOT A FAN OF, BECAUSE THEN YOUR QUALITY COMES INTO QUESTION, IN MY OPINION.

THAT'S JUST ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T KNOW.

I WANT TO GET THIS DONE QUICKLY.

I KNOW THAT CHIEF NEEDS IT.

HE'S ALREADY STATED THAT. BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST DOING THE EASY THING AND GETTING A NUMBER AND SAYING, LET'S GO FOR ME.

FOR ME, IT COUNTS. WAS THAT A MOTION? YES. HOWEVER YOU WANT TO WRITE THAT MOTION TO COMPETITIVELY BID OUT THE PROJECT CORRECT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW HOW FAST WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. RIGHT, JAMES. BEING THAT IT'S UNDER 50,000, IT'S IT'S DIFFERENT BIDDING RULES WITH THE STATE OVER 50,000 FOR A PROJECT THIS SIZE, I THINK WE'RE ABLE TO DO INDIVIDUAL CONTACTS AND ASK THEM TO SUBMIT WRITTEN BIDS.

AND WE HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST THREE.

AND I DON'T WANT TO THROW OUT OMEGA'S BID, IF POSSIBLE.

THAT'S RIGHT. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? MAYBE. MAYBE I'M COMPLETELY WRONG. AND SOMEBODY COMES BACK AND GOES, 24, BLAH, BLAH.

OKAY, WELL, PART OF THE PROBLEM IS NOW EVERYONE ELSE KNOWS HOW MUCH IT IS.

SO ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS SAY 17, 250, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH DOING IT AFTER THE FACT. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I DON'T SAY I DISAGREE.

BUT THE PROBLEM WITH DOING IT AFTER THE FACT IS NOW WE HAVE A BID FOR THESE GUYS, AND THESE GUYS COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A CLAIM TO SAY, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE. YOU KNOW, WE PUT OUR NUMBER OUT THERE AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO GO AND AND AND BID AGAINST THAT.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S GENERALLY WHY WE, WE GO WITH ONE PATH OR THE OTHER.

AND THEN, BUT ONCE WE MAKE THE DECISION WE MAKE THE DECISION.

SO BUT YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED ANYTHING BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T APPROVED IT. WE HAVEN'T. BUT STILL WE'VE, WE'VE NOW DISCLOSED THEIR BID PRICE PUBLICLY.

AND NOW WE'RE ASKING NOW YOU CAN'T DO COMPETITIVE BIDS ANYMORE. NOW WE'RE ASKING FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO BID, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY WILL DEFINITELY NOT BE THE LOW BIDDER NOW. SO THAT WOULD BE THE PROBLEM WITH AND THEY HAVE AN OFFICE IN ROUND ROCK. I JUST LOOKED THEM UP.

THEY'RE DRIVING DOWN FROM DALLAS. WHAT I'M HEARING IS HOLD UP WAIT, WAIT. BEFORE WE DEBATE A WHOLE BUNCH, WE HAVE A SECOND.

WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND BY KING.

OKAY, NOW WE CAN. YEAH.

SORRY, MAYOR, I WAS JUST RESPONDING TO THE QUESTION. YEAH. WELL, ALL I WOULD SAY ON THIS IS I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO I THINK I VOTED AGAINST ALL THOSE TRADES. I THINK IT WAS LIKE ONE MEETING WE HAD LIKE 20 OF THEM.

WE DID MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENTS FOR ARCHITECTURE.

ENGINEERING? MEP. I MEAN, WE HAD LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL.

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WE HAD. YES. WE DID ALL THAT.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE, FRANKLY, Y'ALL TOLD US TO GET CIP DONE.

NOW, THIS ISN'T CIP, RIGHT? BUT WE BUT WE ALSO HAVE TYPICAL TRADE STUFF.

SO IF WE HAVE LIKE ELECTRICIANS THAT WE NEED TO DO ELECTRICAL WORK ON HAVING A MASTER AGREEMENT, HAVING THE CONTRACT ALREADY NEGOTIATED AND THEM AGREED TO IT, IT DOES ALLOW US TO, AS A COURSE OF BUSINESS, TO DO THINGS MORE EXPEDIENTLY.

BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE HAVE TO GO AND NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT EVERY SINGLE TIME WE USE A NEW VENDOR. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT THE THAT'S WHAT THE MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENTS ALLOW IS YOU NEGOTIATE ONE TIME AND THEN FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT ANYMORE. YOU JUST ISSUE WORK ORDERS AND COUNCIL AUTHORIZES, AND THEN WE DO THE WORK.

I THINK WHAT SOME OF US ARE SEEING IS VERY HIGH PRICES FOR WORK, THAT IT HASN'T SPED UP THE PROCESSES IN THE CITY, IN MY ESTIMATION, BECAUSE WE DID DO IT FOR CIP, WHATEVER IT WAS A YEAR, 18 MONTHS AGO.

AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY CAN ARGUE. WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PROJECTS GETTING DONE IN THE CITY. AND SO THEN THEN YOU GET TO THESE SMALLER ONES, AND SOME OF US DO KIND OF LOOK BACK AND WE'RE SCRATCHING OUR HEAD LIKE, MAN, THAT'S, THAT'S $100,000, THAT'S 50. AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE BID OUT THE PROCESS.

AND THEN WHAT WE'RE WHAT I THINK MY VIEWPOINT IS, WHAT I'M LEARNING IS YOU'VE EVERYBODY'S COMPETITIVE ON THAT SPOT.

AND THEN WE LOSE THAT THE MINUTE THE PROJECTS START ROLLING IN, WE LOSE THAT BECAUSE NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU JUST HAVE LIKE COST CREEP.

ONLY IT'S NOT THE HOURLY OR THE WHATEVER THE FACTOR IS.

IT'S IT'S JUST TAKING LONGER TO DO STUFF. WE'RE PAYING A WHOLE BUNCH MORE AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A WALL THAT IS PROBABLY AN $8,000 WALL THAT NOW WE'RE SAYING, OH, IT'S NOT GOING TO COME IN VERY CHEAP, BUT WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE SO AFRAID TO TO RISK IT THAT POTENTIALLY THERE IS A PERSON THAT COMES IN AND GOES, I'LL KNOCK IT OUT FOR $7,500.

IS AN EXERCISE WORTH SAVING TEN GRAND? PROBABLY NOT IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS OTHER THAN TO ME.

I LOOK AT THIS NOT AS SAVING 10,000.

IT'S PROBABLY MILLIONS WE'RE GOING TO SAVE THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO START REALLY MAKING STAFF LOOK AT PROJECTS AND GO, MAN 17 FIVE. YOU GOT TO DO BETTER THAN THAT.

I MEAN, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO NEGOTIATE THAT.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AND I LEARNED SOME THINGS ON THAT WE'LL SHARE LATER.

BUT AT SOME POINT WE'RE TRYING TO EMPOWER STAFF TO WHERE THEY HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE TO GO.

THERE'S NO WAY THAT'S GOING TO COST 20,000 OR 15, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF QUITE HONESTLY BY AND I DON'T KNOW THAT OMEGA IS OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE. THEY MAY LIKE COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD SAID. THEY MAY COME IN SUPER CHEAP COMPARED TO OTHER PEOPLE.

SO I DON'T KNOW THE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET US INTO THAT MODE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A WAY TO DO IT, BUT.

WELL, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.

IF WE DID DECIDE TO GO OUT TO BID AGAIN, OMEGA WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REBID, CORRECT? THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.

WELL, IF WE GO TO A CALL OUT BID LIKE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO, WE COULD REACH OUT TO OMEGA AND SAY, HEY, SHARPEN YOUR PENCIL AND RESUBMIT BECAUSE COUNCIL REJECTED, YOU KNOW, THE WORK ORDER OR THE, THE DEAL. AND AND THEY DIRECTED US TO GO GET, YOU KNOW, COMPETITIVE BIDS ON THE THING. WE COULD DEFINITELY I WOULD RECOMMEND WE DO THAT FRANKLY. BUT YOU COULD DO THAT.

WE ALSO ARE WHEN WE GO OUT, WE'LL BE WE'LL BE REACHING OUT TO, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE ON THE HUB LIST, THE HISTORICALLY UNDERUTILIZED BUSINESSES.

SO WE'LL DO THAT TOO. BUT SO I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, YES. WE BY BY DOING THIS WE BASICALLY EXPOSE THEIR PRICE, YOU KNOW? SO MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT SOMEBODY CALLS IN OR SUBMITS A BID AND LOWBALLS IT, AND THEN BECAUSE THEY WANT THE JOB, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY, OH, WELL, WE MISSED THIS. AND OH, WELL, WE MISSED THAT.

OH, YOU WANTED MORE THAN ONE RECEPTACLE IN THAT WALL. YEAH.

YEAH, I'VE SEEN IT TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

SO I THINK IF WE MAKE IT A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD AND OMEGA HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARPEN THEIR PENCIL AND AND THE THE BIDS COME BACK PRETTY MUCH NECK AND NECK, THAT'S GOING TO BE A TRUE COST.

OKAY. I HAVE A COUPLE ONE I LIKE.

I'M NOT SURE THESE MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENTS DOESN'T NEED TO BE CORRECTED NOW, BUT I'D LIKE TO GET COPIES OR LINKS TO WHERE THOSE ARE SO I CAN REVIEW THEM IF WHERE THEY ARE. BUT WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS BID, YOU KNOW, JUST I MEAN, JUST AS AN INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMER, I MEAN, IT'S NOT THAT'S NOT BROKEN OUT BY BY MATERIALS OR LABOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, I KNOW SOME JOBS, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTOR, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE PERMITTING FEES AND LIKE THAT. SO I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON ANY OF THIS. I'M NOT A CONSTRUCTION PERSON, BUT I MEAN, JUST COMING UP WITH A NUMBER AND SAYING THE LIST OF THINGS I DON'T KNOW IS A LITTLE,

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A LITTLE EMPTY FOR ME.

AND THE SECOND THING IS, IS THAT I DID I DID REVIEW AND, AND HOPEFULLY I GOT A MUCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORK TO BE DONE.

AND IT'S A LOT MORE THAN JUST PUTTING ONE WALL UP.

I DO AGREE WITH THAT. AND SO MAYBE IF IN THE FUTURE OR, OR IT COULD BE ADDED TO THIS IS A LITTLE BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE WORK IS ACTUALLY BEING DONE. YOU KNOW, THERE IS, LIKE I SAID, THE VENTILATION CHANGES.

IT'S REALLY THREE WALLS.

IT'S THE CENTER DIVIDER, BUT THERE'S TWO NEW WALLS THAT HAVE TO HAVE TWO NEW DOORS. SO I DON'T I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE LOAD BEARING EITHER.

BUT I KNOW THE CENTER ONE IS NOT LOAD BEARING.

SO I DON'T KNOW. IT'S WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS I'M SAYING THIS IS THIS IS, THIS IS COULD BE DONE MUCH, MUCH LOWER COST IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

BUT NOW LOOKING AT IT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT I AGREE WITH THE 17 FIVE, BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S NOT FIVE K EITHER.

SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.

YEAH, YOU'RE CORRECT. THE THE SCOPE OF WORK DOES INCLUDE SEPARATING AN OFFICE IN HALF.

SO YOU HAVE ENTRIES ON BOTH SIDES.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE THE VENTILATION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IT'S KIND OF BALANCED. SO ACCESS TO BOTH SIDES AND ALSO THE ELECTRICAL OUTLETS MAKING THAT PERMIT ACCEPTABLE AS WELL AS THEN YOU'RE GOING BACK AND, YOU KNOW, PAINTING TEXTURIZING AND PAINTING THOSE WALLS.

SO. SO IT'S MORE THAN JUST ADDING A WALL AND MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PD.

I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD LEARNINGS HERE. I THINK LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION, RICK, I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD LEARNINGS THAT WE CAN APPLY FOR FOR NEXT TIME.

BUT, YOU KNOW, HEARING THE DISCUSSION AS WELL AND, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT THE BID AMOUNT IS OUT THERE YOU KNOW, I THINK FOR ME AT LEAST, I'M COMFORTABLE STAYING WITH THIS JUST TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD, THERE ARE SOME, SOME, SOME LEARNINGS THAT I THINK WE CAN APPLY.

BUT KEEPING WITH WHAT WE HAVE VERSUS THE UNKNOWN.

THAT'S THAT THAT'S A THAT'S A LITTLE TESTY FOR ME.

SO I APPRECIATE THE WORK HERE.

I DO HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS CONCERNS ARE BEING ADDRESSED MOVING FORWARD.

BUT YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THIS AND GETTING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHAT THEY NEED. IN AN ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF TIME.

YEAH, I MIGHT ADD WITH ON COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON, THIS BID IS FOR 718 AND IT'S 30 DAYS, SO IT DOES GO AWAY.

SO IF THEY DON'T REBID THERE IS SOME MAYBE SOME, MAYBE THERE'S SOME URGENCY FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THIS BID BECAUSE THEY ESSENTIALLY HAVE 11 OR 12 DAY WINDOW BEFORE THIS.

THIS COULD GO AWAY. SO JUST AN OBSERVATION FOR ME.

I MEAN, THE GENIE'S OUT OF THE BOTTLE.

WE'VE EXPOSED THE NUMBER.

IN MY OPINION, IT'S NOW IMPOSSIBLE TO GET A COMPETITIVE BID.

IT ALSO MAKES ME WONDER IF IT'S THINGS LIKE THIS THAT MAYBE IS THE REASON WHY PEOPLE DON'T BID ON PROJECTS IN HUTTO BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING TO OMEGA, RIGHT? I CAN'T SEE THEM BIDDING ON ANOTHER PROJECT IN HUTTO AGAIN.

I CAN'T SEE THEM SIGNING UP TO BE IN OUR IN OUR LIST ANYMORE BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. IT KIND OF MAKES ME WONDER IF IF IT'S STUFF LIKE THIS, AND THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME WE'VE DONE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS.

YOU KNOW, WHERE WE CALL PEOPLE OUT AND ACCUSE THEM OF LYING AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ACCUSE THEM OF INTENTIONALLY NOT FILLING OUT 1295 FORMS CORRECTLY AND HIDING THINGS.

AND I JUST I WONDER IF.

MAYBE THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE DON'T GET THAT MANY BIDS.

IT CERTAINLY HAS BEEN ON MY MIND.

I DON'T THINK WE GOT ANY BIDS ON THIS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T BID IT OUT. WE BID IT OUT IN THE PROCESS THAT ANYWAY, SORRY.

WE BID OUT THE SERVICES CONTRACT SIX MONTHS AGO.

WE DIDN'T BID OUT. WE DIDN'T BID OUT THE PROJECT, RIGHT. NOT THIS INDIVIDUAL, NOT INDIVIDUAL PROJECT.

SO YOU CAN'T GET BIDS IF YOU DON'T BID IT OUT.

IT'S JUST WHAT YOU CALL IT.

IT'S LIKE A RULE OF NATURE, RIGHT? IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T PUT SOMETHING OUT TO BID IN THE PUBLIC, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY BIDS BACK. AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE ACCUSING THIS GROUP OF LYING. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE COMPETITIVELY BID.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN THE CITY OF EVERY PROJECT WE HAVE IS BEHIND SCHEDULE.

THE VETERANS MEMORIAL WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN BY MEMORIAL DAY.

16. 16 IS TWO YEARS BEHIND SCHEDULE.

EMERY FARMS HAD A CURB CUT THAT WAS BEING PUT IN THAT TOOK LIKE SIX MONTHS TO DO.

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WE HAVE A SIGNAL OUT ON INNOVATION.

PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE GETTING IN WRECKS THAT SUCKER GOT.

WE APPROVED THE BID IN MARCH.

THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING. SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, SIR, IS THE COUNCIL GOING, LOOK, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS NOT WORKING, SO WE CAN'T KEEP DOING THAT.

THAT'S INSANITY. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY.

IT'S I THINK IT'S PUSHING STAFF TO LIKE, LOOK, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET THE CONTRACTORS. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO NAIL DOWN THE DATES, THE TIMELINES, THE REPERCUSSIONS FOR MISSING THOSE.

AND WE'RE GOING TO BE CONSCIOUS ON THE COST.

AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GO WITH LOWEST BID. WE'RE TRYING TO GO WITH SOMEONE WHO CAN GET SOMETHING DONE, GET IT DONE IN A MANNER THAT'S AFFORDABLE TO WHERE WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE BLOWING US UP ON, YOU KNOW, OUR PHONES AND EMAILS GOING, HEY, WHEN IN THE HELL ARE YOU GOING TO GET THIS PROJECT DONE? AND I'M SITTING THERE GOING, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

WE. YEAH. SO I THINK THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT SOME OF US ARE TRYING TO DO, BECAUSE WE TALK A LOT BEHIND THE SCENES ABOUT LIKE WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET STUFF MOVING FORWARD. SO I DON'T WANT ANYBODY THINK WE'RE NOT CALLING BUYERS.

WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT LYING.

I NEVER MET THESE GUYS.

I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET COMPETITIVE.

I WILL ADD THAT WHEN WE DID HAVE THE THE COURTS PROJECT AND THEY KEPT WITH THE SCHEDULE THEY, THEY MET AND EXCEEDED THAT SCHEDULE WHICH WAS IN A VERY TIGHT TIME FRAME DURING SPRING BREAK, SO AND THE QUALITY OF WORK WAS WAS ACCEPTABLE TOO.

SO IT WAS ACTUALLY BEYOND ACCEPTABLE THAT THEY DID SUCH A I MEAN, I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS WAS THE SAME GROUP UNTIL YOU. IT'S THE SAME GROUP. YEAH. BUT BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THEY WERE CUTTING OUT THE, THE GLASS FROM UPSTAIRS.

SO Y'ALL REMEMBER THAT TIME WHEN YOU WERE WALKING THROUGH AND THE PLASTIC WAS THERE? THEY'RE THE GROUP THAT DID THAT WORK, AND THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF MAINTAINING THE DUST CONTROL AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE NECESSARY TO KEEP THE OFFICE WORKING WHILE THEY WERE DOING THE CONSTRUCTION.

SO THAT'S GOOD. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS THE SAME GROUP. MAYOR I JUST WANT TO SAY TO KIND OF PUT YOUR MIND AT EASE ON ON WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.

OUR CONTRACTS DO HAVE DELIVERABLE DATES AND LIQUIDATED DAMAGES AND ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. SO. SO WE DO HAVE THOSE TIMELINES THAT ARE SET FOR THE CIPS, WHICH ARE DIFFERENT THAN THIS, BUT FOR THE FOR THE PROJECTS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THERE ARE DELIVERABLE DEADLINES THAT THEY'RE OBLIGATED TO DELIVER BY.

AND IF THEY MISS THAT DATE THEN THERE'S LIQUIDATED DAMAGES.

SO I GET $2,000 A DAY, AND A GUY BEING TWO MONTHS BEHIND TELLS ME THAT'S NOT ENOUGH PUNISHMENT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET STUFF ON TIME, ON BUDGET THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THEN ONE DAY WE CAN MOVE INTO AHEAD OF SCHEDULE UNDER BUDGET.

BUT RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, I'M NOT KNOCKING THIS COMPANY THAT DID I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S WHERE WE HAD THE ASSISTANT TO THE ASSISTANT TO THE ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER OFFICE ORIGINALLY.

NOT. OKAY. JUST DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE.

WE WE TOOK THAT ROOM AWAY.

SO NOW I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

BUT ANYWAY. ALL RIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS HEARING? NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER. THOMPSON.

NAY. MAYOR. SNYDER. AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER.

GORDON. NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER.

MAURICE. NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER.

PORTERFIELD. AYE. MOTION FAILS.

MOVE TO APPROVE. TEN FOUR IS PRESENTED.

SECOND. SECOND. HOLD ON A SECOND.

THIRD. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON, WHO IS THE SECOND TO TIE? IT WAS THE SECOND. ME OR BRIAN? EITHER ONE. BRIAN THOMPSON.

YEAH. RIGHT. AND WAS THAT LAST ONE? THREE FOR FAIL. NO. TWO.

FIVE. TWO. FIVE. IT WAS TWO.

FIVE. WHICH ONE ARE WE ON? SORRY. TEN. FOUR. TEN.

FOUR. OH, SORRY. I WAS WRONG.

ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

MAURICE. AYE. COUNCILMEMBER KING.

AYE. COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON.

AYE. MAYOR. SNYDER. NAY.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THORNTON.

NAY. COUNCILMEMBER. GORDON.

AYE. MOTION PASSES FIVE TWO.

ALL ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE TEN FIVE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RESOLUTION

[10.5 Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-180 authorizing the City Manager to approve $1,695 from 10-010-002-6481 for Parks Advisory Board training. (Jeff White, Perry Savard)]

NUMBER 2020 5-180 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO APPROVE $1,695 FROM TEN DASH 0100026481 FOR PARKS ADVISORY BOARD TRAINING.

WE HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE OR MOTION ON THIS ONE.

OR DID YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION, JEFF, OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO SAY FIRST? NO. NO PRESENTATION. OKAY. SO MY QUESTION WAS AND I APPRECIATE THE IN THE BACK OF MATERIAL, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE TRAINING IS FOR HOW LONG IT IS, WHAT THE COST IS. SO FIRST QUESTION I SEE THAT THERE'S TWO VACANCIES ON THE PARKS

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BOARD. SO WITH THIS TRAINING HAPPENING IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN STARTING THIS TRAINING, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE TWO SLOTS ARE FILLED OR NO, IT'S NOT REQUIRED BECAUSE THE TRAINING WILL BE RECORDED AND SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO DISPLAY IT FOR FUTURE MEMBERS.

SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN KIND OF KEEP. AND AS BOARD MEMBERS ROTATE OFF, WE CAN CONSTANTLY BRING IT UP AS MAKE IT ALMOST LIKE A PRE-REQUIREMENT FOR JOINING THE BOARD. OKAY, PERFECT. BECAUSE IT DID SAY THAT IT WAS VIRTUAL, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GOING TO BE RECORDED. SO THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR. MY SECOND QUESTION WAS HOW DOES THIS TRAINING ALIGN WITH THE PARKS BOARDS? GOALS INITIATIVES. YOU KNOW, HOW WILL THIS TRAINING SUPPORT THOSE THINGS? OR, YOU KNOW, IS THIS A TRAINING THAT'S JUST GOING TO FURTHER KNOWLEDGE AND LEAD TO GOALS AND INITIATIVES BEING BEING ESTABLISHED.

AND THE REASON I ASKED THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, GREAT PARKS HERE IN THE CITY, GREAT WALKING TRAILS.

WE HAVE FRITZ FRITZ PARK THAT'S BEING RENOVATED, COMING ONLINE. WE'VE DONE A LOT WITH ADAM MORGAN.

AND SO UNDERSTANDING THAT NOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PARKS TRAINING FOR CITIZENS, THAT'S GOING TO HELP US FURTHER AND HELP THE UPKEEP OF THOSE PARKS.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY EXCITING. AND I THINK SOMETHING TO BE. THIS ISN'T PARKS TRAINING, THIS IS PARKS BOARD TRAINING.

SO IT WILL HELP OUR PARKS BOARD BE MORE EFFICIENT AND WORK MORE EFFECTIVELY AS A BOARD TO GET PROJECTS PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL.

SO IT'S NOT PARKS TRAINING.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FOR PARKS DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES TO COME IN AND TRAIN ON THIS.

THIS IS STRICTLY BOARD TRAINING.

OKAY. SO IF IT'S PARKS ADVISORY BOARD TRAINING AND SPECIFIC TO THE BOARD, RIGHT. HOW IS THIS NOT SOMETHING THAT ALL BOARDS SHOULD TAKE PART IN, AND I BELIEVE THAT ALL BOARDS CAN TAKE PART IN THIS.

I BELIEVE THAT THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY CAN CAN TAILOR THEIR TRAINING FOR THE BOARD THAT WANTS TO TAKE IT. SO, LIKE, WE'RE TAKING IT FOR THE PARKS BOARD, BUT THEY CAN ALSO DO AN EDC.

THEY CAN ALSO DO A LIBRARY ADVISORY.

THEY CAN THEY CAN TAILOR MAKE CUT AND PASTE TYPE OF THING.

SO THIS TRAINING FOR 1600 IS FOR SPECIFICALLY TAILORED TO PARKS.

IT CANNOT BE ATTENDED BY ANY OTHER BOARD.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN, IF ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER WANTED WANTED TO ATTEND, THEY'RE WELCOME TO ATTEND.

THEY CAN JUST SIT IN THE AUDIENCE.

THE IS IT TAILORED FOR PARKS? YES. SO THE PRESENTER IS FROM THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF PARK FOUNDATIONS.

AND SO HE'S A FORMER BOARD MEMBER FOR PARKS.

HE'S BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES FOR SEVERAL YEARS. SO HE IS FORMULATING A PRESENTATION STRICTLY FOR PARK'S BOARD.

IT'S GOING TO COVER THE LET ME GET MY FACTS RIGHT HERE.

ROLES, RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, OPEN MEETINGS, COMPLIANCE, RISK AND LIABILITIES.

STRATEGIC PLANNING AND PARK DEVELOPMENT SYSTEM CHANGE MANAGEMENT, CHANGE MANAGEMENT PRINCIPLES. AND THEN PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FACTORS.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT WILL BE COVERED IN THIS PRESENTATION. OKAY. SO FROM THE HIGHLIGHTS IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S ONE SECTION THAT'S SPECIFIC TO TO PARK BOARDS. SO THEN THE OTHER SECTIONS I FEEL LIKE THAT'S MORE ALL ENCOMPASSING FOR ALL OF OUR BOARDS. I COULD I COULD ASK THE PRESENTER AND GET GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU, OKAY, IF I CAN, BUT I THINK IT'S MORE CURTAILED TOWARDS PARKS BOARD.

OKAY. BACKGROUND. I'LL JUST SAY THAT DOESN'T SOLELY HAVE THAT FUNCTION, BUT THAT'S THE PRIMARY FUNCTION OF IT. OKAY. IF WE COULD I MEAN, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF OTHER BOARDS KNEW THAT THIS WOULD HAPPEN.

NOT SAYING THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD, BUT WHAT I JUST HEARD YOU SAY, JEFF, THERE SOUNDS TO BE THERE SEEMS TO BE A COUPLE OF OBJECTIVES IN THAT TRAINING THAT COULD BE A LITTLE ALL INCLUSIVE.

AND SO HAVING THAT TRAINING FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, YOU KNOW, A LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD, JUST LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THAT'S HAPPENING, I THINK WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THE FUNDS, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE AREN'T APPROVING, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, TRAINING FOR ALL OF THE OTHER BOARDS.

IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY COULD PARTAKE IN, YOU KNOW, JUST A COUPLE OF OBJECTIVES FROM THIS TRAINING.

YEAH, WE'RE PLANNING ON ACTUALLY HAVING THE TRAINING DURING A PARKS BOARD MEETING.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, SOME OF THE SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT JEFF READ OUT WOULD BE APPLICABLE

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TO OTHER BOARDS, ESPECIALLY IN CHANGE MANAGEMENT WHERE THEY HAVE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. RIGHT.

OPEN MEETINGS, COMPLIANCE, RISK AND LIABILITY CONSIDERATIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IF WE'RE HAVING IT IN AN OPEN MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT HERE. THERE'S PLENTY OF SEATS.

GREAT. AND THEY'RE NOT SAYING, OKAY, YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO PAY 16.95 FOR SEVEN PEOPLE. THEY DON'T CARE IF THEY'RE SEVEN PEOPLE OR 700 PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.

SO EVERYBODY'S INVITED.

NO. PLEASE LET THEM KNOW.

I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THEM BEING OPEN TO MORE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ON THIS. NO, I HOPE NOT.

I THINK THE KEY COMPONENT FOR US IS THAT IT IS RECORDED, AND WE DO HAVE A COPY OF THAT.

SO WE COULD PASS IT ALONG TO OTHER IF PEOPLE WEREN'T ABLE TO ATTEND THAT NIGHT, WE COULD AT LEAST SHARE THAT WITH THE STAFF LIAISONS.

AND GREAT, GREAT, I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND AGAIN, IF IT IS GOING TO BE CURTAILED TOWARDS PARKS BOARD, AND I MEAN MAYBE IN SOME SORT OF INVITATION TO OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHTED, BOLD.

BUT JUST HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER BOARDS TO, TO, YOU KNOW, INDULGE IN THAT TRAINING I THINK WOULD BE I MEAN, IT DEFINITELY WOULDN'T HURT THE CITY OF HUTTO AND HURT THOSE BOARDS.

SO IF THAT COULD BE AN INITIATIVE THAT YOU GUYS TAKE, I WOULD PLEASE ASK JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY FEEL INCLUDED AS WELL.

WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

WITH THAT, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TEN FIVE AS PRESENTED.

SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN KING.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YES, MAURICE.

I REALLY LIKE THIS PART WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT PLANNING.

AND THE CIP THIS YEAR.

WE HAD A JOINT MEETING WITH THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND I LIKE LONG TERM PLANNING, BUT THE CIP IS DESIGNATED FOR FIVE YEARS.

I KNOW THE CITY HAS A PLUS SIX YEAR BUCKET, AND I THINK THE STUDY THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE THE PARKS CONSULTANT WAS MAYBE EIGHT YEARS OR TEN YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO I LIKE BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT ALIGNED.

WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT CMP.

IT'S ALWAYS I'M NOT SAYING THROWING AWAY THE TEN YEAR PLAN.

THAT'S SOMETIMES FOR LIKE IN REAL ESTATE WE NEED THOSE TYPE OF LONG TERM PLANS.

SO I THINK THIS WOULD BE A CRITICAL TRAINING BENEFIT IS HAVING THAT BOARD MEMBERS UNDERSTAND THE CIP. AND AS COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON SAYS, THAT COULD BE APPLICABLE TO OTHER BOARDS AS WELL, BUT SPECIFICALLY THE PARKS, BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A BIG LINE ITEM IN THE CIP AND THE BUDGET. SO I THINK THIS LOOKS REALLY GOOD, I LIKE IT. THE PRICE TAG IS NOT TOO EXPENSIVE, BUT I DO IS THAT THE STAFF HAS THOROUGHLY REVIEWED THE PROPOSED VIRTUAL TRAINING SESSION WITH THE MR. KEVIN CORINTH, ALL OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF PARKS FOUNDATION, AND SO I'D BE HESITANT TO SAY THIS IS COMPLETELY APPLICABLE TO ALL OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, BUT HAVING IT'S SPECIFIED AND FOCUS ON PARKS I THINK IS A GOOD THING.

SO AND ESPECIALLY FOR YOUR LIBRARY BOARD MEMBERS AND AND IF THAT CAN ALSO BE SHARED WITH CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, AT THAT OPEN MEETING OR IF THERE'S SOME IF THEY'RE ABLE TO LICENSE IT WHERE WE CAN HAVE PEOPLE VIEW IT FROM THE WEBSITE, THERE MAY BE LIMITED LICENSE OR LIMITED VIEWINGS ON THAT.

AND IF OR NOT, THERE'S A COST INCURRED AND I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

BUT ANYWAY, I THINK I THINK THIS LOOKS GOOD. THANK YOU. I JUST HAD A QUESTION.

SO HOW DID THE HOW'D THE PARKS BOARD FIND OUT ABOUT THIS TRAINING? JEFF BROUGHT IT TO US.

AND HOW DID YOU FIND OUT ABOUT IT? I BELIEVE THERE WAS A COMMUNICATION THAT WENT OUT FROM FROM THE STAFF THAT SAID THERE WAS SOME FUNDS ALLOCATED IN THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET FOR BOARD TRAINING. AND SO WE LOOKED AT KIND OF PROACTIVELY LOOKING FOR SOME TRAINING OPTIONS. AND WE VIEWED SEVERAL DIFFERENT I REVIEWED SEVERAL DIFFERENT ONES.

AND PERRY WAS AT MY OFFICE ONE DAY AND WE CALLED THE KEVIN AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION AND. HE SENT SOME EMAILS OUT.

AND SO WE WERE KIND OF IN LINE WITH WHAT THIS TRAINING IS AND HOW IT WOULD BENEFIT OUR BOARD. OKAY, GREAT. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S JUST AND KIND OF WHAT I WAS TRYING TO POINT OUT WAS IF IF THERE ARE STAFF MEMBERS AND LIAISONS OF OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, THEY CAN DO THAT TOO.

THEY CAN BE PROACTIVE, LIKE JEFF.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE NOT ALREADY, THEY MAY ALREADY BE DOING IT. BUT LOOK FOR TRAINING. AND IF YOU THINK IT'S IT'S BENEFICIAL, BRING IT TO YOUR BOARD.

AND IF YOU KNOW IF THEY WANT IT, THEN THEY CAN ASK THE COUNCIL AND THEY CAN DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID, COME TO COUNCIL AND ASK US IF WE'LL APPROVE IT. AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT PROCESS.

SO THANK YOU. SO GUYS I'M GONNA VOTE FOR THIS.

NOT BECAUSE I LIKE I LIKE IT HONESTLY BECAUSE THE BOARD HASN'T ASKED ANYTHING FOR SEVERAL YEARS. BUT IT REALLY BOTHERS ME.

I DIDN'T KNOW THIS, BUT IT BOTHERS ME THAT YOU GUYS GET EMAILS THAT, HEY, WE HAVE SOME EXCESS FUNDS, KIND OF, YOU KNOW,

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OUT THERE ALLOCATED. AND IT'S LIKE, IF WE'RE WAITING TILL THE END OF FISCAL YEAR, IT'S IRONIC AND IT MAY BE NOTHING, BUT IN GOVERNMENT IT'S SPEND IT OR LOSE IT.

RIGHT. AND SO YOU WAIT TILL THE END OF THE YEAR. HEY, THERE'S SOME EXTRA FUNDS OUT THERE. I'VE HEARD THIS FROM ANOTHER, ANOTHER DEPARTMENT THAT WENT AROUND AND STARTED TALKING TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT GETTING GRANTS BECAUSE, WELL, IT'S OUT THERE IN THE BUDGET. AND SO THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO SPEND THE MONEY INSTEAD OF IT BEING GOOD.

MY CONCERNS WITH IT IS OPEN MEETINGS, TRAINING FREE ONLINE.

EVERYBODY HAS TO TAKE IT WHEN THEY JOIN THE BOARD.

ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES FREE ONLINE.

THE ONLY REASON I'M VOTING FOR THIS IS BECAUSE THERE'S A PARK SEGMENT. BUT I MEAN A LOT OF TRAINING. IF YOU'RE WAITING TO PAY FOR TRAINING, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF JUST FREE. SO WHAT I WOULD ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER TO DO IS GET WITH ALL HIS LIAISONS TO THE BOARDS AND GO, LOOK, DON'T PAY TO HAVE SOMEONE TEACH OPEN MEETINGS TRAINING BECAUSE IT'S FREE.

WE ALREADY PAY FOR THAT WITH OUR TML AND DON'T PAY FOR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

WHAT A CHAIR IS SUPPOSED TO DO. WHAT A VICE CHAIR, WHATEVER THAT IS, THAT'S FREE.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND TAXPAYER MONEY, SPEND ON SOMETHING THAT YOU IS AN ADDITION THAT YOU CAN'T GET FOR FREE, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S $1,700, BUT THERE'S LIKE TEN BOARDS AND THEN NOW EVERYBODY'S GOING TO WANT MONEY, I WANT TRAINING. AND AT SOME POINT YOU GO, OH MY GOD, WE JUST SPENT $60,000 TEACHING PEOPLE WHAT A QUORUM WAS WHEN IT WAS FREE.

TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE FREE STUFF. I DIDN'T LIKE THIS SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, OR BECAUSE OF THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

BECAUSE WE CAN WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT EVERY YEAR.

I DO TAKE THAT EVERY YEAR, BUT IT'S THE REST OF THE STUFF, THE CIP. THAT'S WHY I'M VOTING FOR IT.

CHANGE MANAGEMENT. HOW TO BE A MORE EFFECTIVE BOARD BUILD CONSENSUS, ALL THAT, ALL THAT STUFF THAT IS INCLUDED WITH BEING ON THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD IS IN THERE, AS WELL AS OPEN MEETINGS, TRAINING AND ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

SO I'M NOT REALLY TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES IN OPEN MEETINGS.

I'M CONCERNED MORE ABOUT THE OTHER STUFF I UNDERSTAND, WHICH I DON'T KNOW, I'VE NEVER INVESTIGATED, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AVAILABLE FOR FREE, BUT I WILL LOOK AND SEE.

WE HAVE TO TAKE IT FOR FREE.

I JUST HAD TO TAKE IT AGAIN BECAUSE I WAS REELECTED, BUT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.

WE CAN USE A WEALTH OF STUFF.

BUT ANYWAY, AGAIN, I'M VOTING FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S GOT SOME PARK STUFF IN IT. BUT I DO LIKE WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON SAYING.

AGAIN, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO TRAINING, LET'S WORK ON JUST FUTURE PRESENTATIONS.

HEY, WE'VE TALKED TO EVERYBODY. WE'RE BRINGING IT UP. THIS GUY'S GOING TO HAVE AN HOUR OF EVERYTHING FOR EVERYBODY, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO GO HOME AND WE'RE GOING TO BREAK OFF FOR JUST FOR OUR BOARD BECAUSE WE BROUGHT IT UP. AND THEN LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS I'D MAKE REAL SURE YOU CAN KEEP THE TRAINING AND SHARE, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO, YOU KNOW, DO THE TRAINING ONE TIME AND THEN KEEP IT FOREVER BECAUSE DUE TO COPYRIGHT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OTHERWISE NO ONE WOULD EVER.

YOU'D ONLY BUY THE TRAINING ONE TIME. YEAH, BUT THAT'S THAT'S IT.

THAT'S FINE BY ME. ALL RIGHT.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR SNYDER, A COUNCILMEMBER.

GORDON, A COUNCILMEMBER MORRIS, A COUNCILMEMBER.

THOMPSON, A COUNCILMEMBER KING, A MAYOR PRO TEM.

THORNTON A COUNCILMEMBER.

PORTERFIELD. AYE. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

NEXT WE HAVE ITEM TEN SIX CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2020

[10.6 Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-181 to approve the seventh amended Bylaws of the Hutto Economic Development Type B Corporation and the fourth amended Bylaws of the Hutto Economic Development Type A Corporation. (Legal)]

5-181 TO APPROVE THE SEVENTH AMENDED BYLAWS OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TYPE B CORPORATION AND THE FOURTH AMENDED BYLAWS OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TYPE A CORPORATION.

I JUST PULLED THIS ONE BECAUSE FOR THE MOST PART, I AGREED WITH THE CHANGES THAT WERE BEING MADE YOU KNOW, EXTENDING THE TIME WHEN THEY HAVE TO GET THE THE BUDGET DONE PRIOR TO THE FISCAL YEAR SHORTENING WHEN THEY HAVE TO, WHEN THEY CAN SUBMIT ITEMS TO THE AGENDAS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, ALLOWING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO GO BACK WITHOUT HAVING TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A BIG PROCESS GOING BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. BASICALLY, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING EXCEPT I'VE STILL, AND I THINK I'VE ALWAYS SAID THIS, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A HESITATION OF MINE TO HAVE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SITTING ON THE BOARD.

I WAS UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN WE CHANGED IT FROM 1 TO 2.

NOW WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE IT FROM 2 TO 4.

SO PERSONALLY, FOR ME, I PREFER TO HAVE FEWER COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THERE THAN THAN MORE. AND THEN I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS.

I DIDN'T SEE A MEMO ON IT.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS EVEN A MEMO ON IT, BUT JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT IF THIS PASSES AND THEN IF FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS DO SIT ON THE EDC BOARD, THAT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY A QUORUM OF COUNCIL.

HOW DOES HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO OPEN MEETINGS ACT? AND ARE THERE SPECIAL PROVISIONS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ENACTED FOR THE EDC AND ALL THAT STUFF? I JUST HAD THAT QUESTION.

THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT SITTING AS COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THE BOARD.

THEY'RE SITTING AS APPOINTED HCDC BOARD MEMBERS.

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SO THERE'S NO OPEN MEETINGS ISSUE.

OKAY. SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO POST IT AS A QUORUM OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

OKAY. WHAT IF A LIKE A, LIKE A A FIFTH COUNCIL MEMBER COMES AND ATTENDS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? WOULD THAT THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. THEY WOULD STILL BE SITTING AS THEIR BOARD MEMBERSHIP, THAT THEY WOULD ALWAYS POST ON THE BOTTOM, THAT MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL THAT ARE NOT APPOINTED HCDC BOARD MEMBERS MAY ATTEND THE MEETING? OKAY. SO I THINK THAT THEY'LL JUST CHANGE THAT NOTICE REQUIREMENT AT THE BOTTOM.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S HELPFUL.

THANK YOU. AND JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, SO THE PUBLIC'S NOT CONCERNED.

THE LAW ALLOWS TEXAS LAW ALLOWS UP TO FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SERVE ON EDC BOARD.

RIGHT? RIGHT. AND JUST BECAUSE IT SAYS FOUR IN THERE, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO APPOINT FOUR THAT IT'S IT'S PERMISSIVE.

SO IT'S JUST YOUR MATCHING YOUR BYLAWS WITH WHAT STATE LAW ALLOWS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ACTION? SO PAGE 379 AND PAGE 369 OF THE PACKET FOR THIS ITEM, CITY ATTORNEY, SHOW THAT THE PRESIDENT AND CHAIRPERSON IS STILL AARON CLANCY.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SHE RESIGNED FROM THE EDC BOARD.

SO AND THERE'S NO CROSS OUT THERE.

SO DOES THAT MAKE THIS DOCUMENT IF WE APPROVE IT, STILL APPLICABLE, OR DOES THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED BEFORE WE VOTE ON THAT? I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE THE RIGHT PAGES.

WHAT PAGE ARE YOU USING? SO I'M USING THE PAGE OF THE OVERALL PACKET, 369 AND 379 OF HOW MANY TOTAL? 591 536. RIGHT. THAT'S THE WRONG PACKET.

I DON'T HAVE IT ON THAT.

THAT WAS THE PACKET BEFORE THE AMENDED PACKET CAME OUT.

OKAY. BUT WHAT WAS WHICH? WHICH PAGE ARE YOU REFERRING TO? I MEAN, WHAT WERE YOU REFERRING TO? I CAN FIND IT.

IT WAS THE AMENDED BYLAWS.

AND THEN AT THE VERY END, IT HAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

AND THEN THAT'S WHERE I'M SEEING IT. BUT IT COULD BE JUST THE AMENDED PACKET.

I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS WHEN THE EDC VOTED AND APPROVED SIGNATURES ON BOTH OF THEM. YEAH. I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS WHEN THE EDC VOTED AND APPROVED IT, AARON WAS THE PRESIDENT.

OKAY, IT'S PAGE 415 IN THE PACKET.

AND NOW SHE'S RESIGNED.

SO DOES BECAUSE SHE'S NO LONGER.

DOES THAT INVALIDATE THE BOARD'S VOTE? NO, BECAUSE IT WAS SHE WAS THE PRESIDENT ON THE DAY THAT SHE WAS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN.

THAT'S ON PAGE 444 AS WELL AS 415.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ACTION? MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.

SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD.

SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER KING.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCILMEMBER GORDON.

NAY. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

AYE. COUNCILMEMBER KING.

AYE. COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON.

AYE. I. MOTION PASSES SIX ONE.

COUNCILMEMBER. MORRIS.

ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 9192.

IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, I'D LIKE TO TABLE THIS UNTIL AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. ALL RIGHT.

[9.3. Conduct a public hearing and consider possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-187 authorizing and creating the HWY 130 Mixed Use Public Improvement District within the City Of Hutto pursuant to Chapter 372, Texas Local Government Code. (Legal)]

HEARING NONE, WE'LL GO ON TO ITEM NINE THREE. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R, DASH 2020 5-1 87 AUTHORIZING AND CREATING THE HIGHWAY 130 MIXED USE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT WITHIN THE CITY OF HUDDLE PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 372 TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.

AND WE HAVE A COMMENT FOR DHARMA.

HELLO, SIR. MAYOR, ARE YOU GOING TO OFFICIALLY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? YEAH. LET ME DO THAT REAL QUICK. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 844.

NOW, YOU DON'T EVEN NEED A COMMENT CARD. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR SNYDER AND COUNCILMAN. GREAT TO SEE ALL OF YOU. SO FIRST OF ALL, I ALL, I JUST WANT TO THANK THE CITY STAFF, MR. EARP, SARAH AND ASHLEY WHO ARE NOT HERE.

AND LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST, DOTTIE, FOR ALL THE WORK, AS WE'VE SPENT ALMOST TWO AND A HALF YEARS NOW WORKING THROUGH THIS PROJECT.

SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE SUPPORT AND HELP.

AND I THINK WE GOT THIS DEAL ANNEXED IN ZONE A FEW WEEKS.

THE SESSION LAST TIME IN OUR CASE, THE ANNEXATION WAS A PART OF THE DA.

AND SO WE'RE FOLLOWING THIS UP WITH A FORMAL APP ON MONDAY,

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I THINK, JUST TO CLOSE THE LOOP.

AND I THINK WE'RE ADVISED THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO WAIT TO GET THAT IN BEFORE WE CAN GET THE BID APPROVED, BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE'RE ABLE TO VOTE TODAY AND PENDING THE ANNEXATION DOCS COMING IN, IF THAT'S AN OPTION. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I'M JUST HERE TO SAY THANK YOU.

ARE WE ABLE TO CREATE A A A PITT DISTRICT PENDING THE THEM GETTING THIS DOCUMENT TURNED IN ON MONDAY SO THEY HAVEN'T STARTED THE ANNEXATION AND ZONING PROCESS.

THE LAST MEETING IT WAS APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH ACTS AS THE PETITION FOR ANNEXATION.

I'VE VISITED WITH STAFF AND WE'RE GOING TO RUN THE ANNEXATION AND ZONING CONCURRENTLY.

BUT WE WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO A CERTAIN DATE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE ALL OF THOSE DONE AT THE SAME MEETING.

OTHERWISE, IF YOU CHOOSE TO CREATE THE PYD, IT'S GOING TO BE OUT IN THE ETJ IF THE BOUNDARIES. OH, THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT OUR POLICY.

POLICY. WILL THIS BE READY TO ANNEX AT THE 21ST? I SENT THAT QUESTION TO STAFF, AND WHAT I CALCULATED IS COULD WE HAVE IT READY BY SEPTEMBER 4TH WITH ALL THE PUBLIC NOTICES WE HAVE TO GIVE.

I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT.

THAT'S HERE. MAYBE MATT, IF HE HAD SEEN THE INFO.

OR JOHN'S HERE. JOHN, YOU KNOW.

THIS DOESN'T MATTER, BECAUSE THE ONLY REASON I ASK IS THESE ARE THE DEALS TO WHERE, LIKE WE WE SAY WE APPROVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

AND THEN IT'S LIKE, IF WE'RE NOT LIKE ON IT, THEN IT ENDS UP BEING LIKE SIX MONTHS LATER, WE'RE LIKE, OH YEAH, WE STILL GOT TO ANNEX THAT. AND TO ME IT'S LIKE, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO IT THE SAME NIGHT, BUT IT'S LIKE IF WE POST THESE THINGS CORRECTLY, WE WOULD DEVELOP AN AGREEMENT.

AND THE NEXT MINUTE BEFORE YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND, NOW YOU'RE PART OF THE CITY AND NOW YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW EVERY SINGLE RULE WE HAVE.

BUT I'M AFRAID HE MAY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEAVE US.

NOT THAT YOU WOULD AFTER TWO AND A HALF YEARS, I THINK. I THINK OUR PROCESS WAS FROM THE BEGINNING WAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.

AND SO THE ANNEXATION WAS ADDRESSED IN THE DA.

AND I THINK THE, CONFUSION WAS THAT WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT EVEN THOUGH BECAUSE IT WAS ADDRESSED IN THE DEA, WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE HAD TO STILL DO THE REGULAR PROCESS. SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A CONFUSION, I THINK A COMMUNICATION GAP BETWEEN US AND THE CITY.

SO I GOTCHA. WE'RE GETTING THAT SQUARED AWAY.

BUT AS I UNDERSTAND, IT'S JUST A FORMALITY.

SO YEAH, NO, WE DEFINITELY WANT YOU TO HEAR THAT YOU HAVE BEHIND YOU.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR. COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD, MATT RICHTER, CITY ENGINEER. SO I AM NOT YOUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR, SO DON'T HOLD ME TO THESE NUMBERS.

BUT I THINK THE QUESTION THAT I CANNOT ANSWER TONIGHT IS WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE TO DO THE 61 DAY NOTICE TO THE COUNTY.

IF WE HAVE TO DO THAT, THEN WE WON'T MAKE SEPTEMBER 4TH.

I DON'T SEE WHERE THERE'S A COUNTY ROAD THAT TOUCHES THIS PROPERTY.

IT'S UP BY 130, WHICH IS STATE HIGHWAY, AND THAT'S.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

I CAN GIVE NOTICE TO TXDOT, BUT NOT A 61 DAY NOTICE.

OKAY, SO YOUR REGULAR 10 TO 20, 10 TO 20, IT'S GOING TO BE IN BETWEEN 10 AND 20 DAYS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO I CALCULATED WE COULD GET IT ALL DONE BY THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 4TH. SO I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO SEPTEMBER 4TH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT CHAPTER 372 REQUIRES.

OKAY. OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING TO CREATE A PIN.

YOU CAN ADJOURN IT FROM DAY TO DAY UNTIL FINAL ADJOURNMENT.

THAT'S HOW THE STATE LAW READS.

AND THEN THE THE NOTION WOULD BE THAT ON SEPTEMBER 4TH, COUNCIL WOULD VOTE TO ACCEPT THE ANNEXATION, TO APPLY ZONING, AND THEN POTENTIALLY TO AUTHORIZE THE PED ALL AT THE SAME MEETING.

YEAH. SEE THE ANNEXATION, THE ZONING AND THEN THE PED IN THAT ORDER.

ALL RIGHT. THE THAT SOUND OKAY? YEAH. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT MEETING, WE WOULD HAVE THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.

THE MEETING BEFORE THE ANNEXATION.

YEAH. THERE IS A CERTAIN ORDER. WE'VE GOT ANOTHER DEAL WE GOT OUT OF WHACK, AND WE'RE GOING A DIFFERENT ROUTE TO IT. AND IT'S CREATING KIND OF A ISSUE.

BUT IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, WE CAN I THINK WE CAN.

WHAT'S THE WORD? WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN, OR WE'LL DO THE THE MSA ON THE 21ST, AND THEN WE'LL WRAP UP THE THE DECISIONS ON THE PYD, THE ANNEXATION, THE ZONING AND ALL THAT ON THE FOURTH, WHICH PROBABLY WOULD HAVE HAD YOU AT THE FOURTH ANYWAY,

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WE JUST PASS IN ONE STEP, BUT HITTING THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME, IF THAT'S OKAY. YEAH THAT'S FINE.

AND AND OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR DID CREATE A SCHEDULE FOR THEM BECAUSE PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS A REQUEST FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT BONDS.

AND IT'LL STILL, STILL STILL BE ON SCHEDULE FOR THAT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE BEING ALLOWED OUT IN SEPTEMBER.

OKAY. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

SO IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, WE'LL ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO SEPTEMBER 4TH. OKAY. I HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

I'M SORRY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO SEPTEMBER 4TH.

SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL. THE VOTE WAS THE SECOND COUNCIL MEMBER.

THOMPSON. MAURICE. MAURICE.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THORNTON.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. KING.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. GORDON.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PORTERFIELD.

MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

THAT BRINGS US UP. THERE'S A REQUEST TO PULL UP 12.3.

I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD DO THAT.

NO OBJECTIONS TO THAT.

[12.3. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-185 amending the City Council Protocol Policy. (City Council) ]

MOVE ON TO ITEM 12 THREE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R 2020 5-185 AMENDING THE CITY COUNCIL PROTOCOL POLICY.

AND WE HAVE SOME COMMENTS FOR THAT. RICK HUDSON.

EVENING. MAYOR. COUNCIL.

RICK HUDSON I STILL LIVE IN HUTTO.

A COUPLE OF ITEMS ON THIS.

FIRST ONE I KIND OF WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION IS ON PAGE FIVE OF THE PROTOCOL.

ONE F BULLET 13 AS WRITTEN, TEN OF THE 39 VOLUNTEERS.

IF YOU REMEMBER, IN JUNE, I DID GO THROUGH THE LIST OF WHO IS ON TWO OR MORE TEN OF THE 39 VOLUNTEERS ARE PROHIBITED FROM SERVING ON EVEN TEMPORARY BOARDS, ACCORDING TO THIS AS WRITTEN.

THAT MEANS CHARTER REVIEW, THE SESQUICENTENNIAL BOARD, EVEN THE SIP ADVISORY BOARD.

IF THAT IS NOT YOUR INTENT, I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU CHANGE THE WORDING OF THIS. WHICH NUMBER WAS THAT AGAIN? ONE F 13 ONE F. PAGE 570 O.

IT IS PREFERRED, BUT NOT REQUIRED, THAT APPOINTEES SERVE ON ONE BOARD, COMMISSION COMMITTEE AND ARE PROHIBITED.

ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SERVE ON MORE THAN TWO BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES. TASK FORCE SO LONG AS THOSE BOARDS HAVE NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST EACH OTHER. THAT THAT SECTION.

THAT SECTION. YES. SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE FIVE MEMBERS OF THE PNC WHO SERVE ON TWO OR MORE BOARDS. IF WE HAVE A SIP ADVISORY COMMITTEE FORMED.

FIVE OF THEM CAN'T BE ON IT.

SO WE SHOULD SAY THAT IF THAT'S YOUR INTENT, SO BE IT.

BUT IF IT'S NOT YOUR INTENT, YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE WORDING.

SECOND ITEM IS PAGE 18 FOR C ONE AND TWO OR C.

2H5 83. WHAT WAS IT AGAIN FOR C AS IN CHARLIE ONE AND TWO.

C ONE AND TWO. THANK YOU.

PAGE 583 583 FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE.

YES. ON ONE IT SAYS IT APPLIES TO OFFICIALS.

IS THAT OFFICIALS ONLY OR IS IT OFFICIALS AND APPOINTEES? UNCLEAR. WHICH ONE WERE YOU AT? BOLLIG. ONE, PAGE FIVE.

YEAH, I THINK CITY OFFICIAL THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL HAVE TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE BECAUSE CITY'S CAPITALIZED, THAT'S A LEGAL DEFINITION, AND I THINK THERE'S AN OFFICIAL.

BUT WE CAN WE CAN CLARIFY THAT TO MAKE SURE IT'S.

I THINK IT SHOULD FILL IT OUT.

RIGHT. IT SHOULD BE CLARIFIED.

YEAH. BECAUSE ELSEWHERE THROUGHOUT THE PROTOCOLS, IT'S CITY OFFICIALS AND APPOINTEES.

OKAY. SO IF IT'S JUST OFFICIALS, COOL.

IF IT'S OFFICIALS AND APPOINTEES, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS.

CONTINUING ON Q&A TWO APPEARS TO APPLY TO APPOINTEES AND NOT OFFICIALS.

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AGAIN, UNCLEAR. OKAY. AND THEN IF TWO IS STAYING AS STANDS, THEN IT CONFLICTS WITH ONE.

SO YOU'VE GOT A CONFLICT BAKED INTO YOUR PROTOCOL ALREADY, WHICH IS NOT A CHANGE.

THESE ARE EXISTING POTENTIAL CONFLICTS.

RIGHT? OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT I HAD.

UNLESS. WAIT. THANK YOU.

RICK. HEY THANK YOU, I WILL I WILL POKE HOLES IN IT.

THERE YOU GO. NOT A PROBLEM. WE DON'T ASK FOR ANYTHING LESS.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE HAVE MILK.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR LAST. I'VE NEVER CALLED YOUR LAST NAME. IS IT REICHEK? I DID IT RIGHT. THAT'S GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

SOMETIMES I GET YELLED AT BECAUSE I GET SO FAR OFF.

HI, MAYOR. COUNCIL. I'M MILT REICHEK.

I'M ON THE PARKS BOARD.

AND THE ONLY THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP WAS THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE INTENT IS FOR THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL TO SIT AND LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO ARE APPLYING TO BE ON A BOARD.

AND FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN JUST TONIGHT, IT SEEMS LIKE A HUGE WASTE OF TIME.

IT MAKES COUNCIL MEETINGS LONGER.

AND I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT.

I DON'T THINK THAT THE COUNCIL REALLY WANTS TO MEET EVERYBODY EVERY TIME.

THERE NEEDS TO BE JUST A COMMITTEE AS THERE IS.

AND I AM WANTING TO. EXPRESS MY FEELINGS THAT WE OUGHT TO JUST STICK WITH WHAT WE HAVE AND NOT CHANGE IT. THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE PERRY SAVARD.

I WONDER WHY YOU STILL HERE.

I WAS LIKE, WE APPROVED YOUR STUFF. YOU KNOW, OF ME. I'M HERE TO BASICALLY TALK ABOUT THE PROTOCOLS FOR APPOINTING PEOPLE TO THE BOARDS. I HAVE IT ON A LITTLE BIRDIE TOLD ME THAT THE PURPOSE OF A COMMITTEE WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE SITTING BOARD OF COUNCIL.

THE PURPOSE OF A COMMITTEE IS TO HAVE 2 OR 3 PEOPLE ON THAT COMMITTEE THAT ARE TASKED WITH FINDING A CANDIDATE FOR A BOARD OR COMMISSION, AND MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE REST OF THE BOARD ON THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD, WE HAVE A NAMING COMMITTEE.

SO WHEN WE BRING A NEW PARK ONLINE AND IT GETS READY TO BE NAMED, WE GO OUT AND DO A SURVEY.

WE PUT IT ONLINE, WE HAVE IT ON COMPUTERS.

WE HAVE DONE WHEN WE NAMED KEVIN WIN FOOTBALL FIELD, WE SENT OUT EMAILS AND REQUESTED EMAILS IN FOR RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT TO CALL IT, AND IT WAS OVERWHELMING FOR WHAT IT IS.

AND THEN THAT COMMITTEE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ENTIRE PARKS BOARD, AND THEN THE PARKS BOARD MADE THE RECOMMENDATION.

ME BASICALLY. OR ACTUALLY, AT THAT TIME, IT WAS TROY MCMILLAN MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO NAME IT.

AND THEN YOU TAKE THE VOTE.

SO ON YOUR PORTION OF IT, YOU HAVE THREE PEOPLE ON CITY COUNCIL THAT ARE CHARGED WITH INTERVIEWING PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION.

AND USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THOSE THREE PEOPLE WILL CONTACT THE BOARD CHAIR. AND WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE INTERVIEW FOR SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO BE ON THE PARKS BOARD, I WOULD BE CALLED AND I WOULD BE INVOLVED WITH THE MEETING.

NOW, THERE HAVE BEEN CERTAIN THINGS THAT I HAVE BEEN INFORMED ABOUT.

WE DO NOT ASK. I HAVE NEVER BEEN INVOLVED, AND SO FAR SINCE I'VE BEEN PARKS BOARD CHAIR, I HAVE BEEN IN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS WITH COREY DINEEN, WITH SHARON TIRE. CHARLOTTE TIRE.

I'M SORRY. SHARON DYER AND BYRON WASHINGTON.

AND AT NO POINT DURING THAT ENTIRE INTERVIEW PROCESS DID WE EVER ASK POLITICAL AFFILIATION OR IF THEY SIDED WITH ONE PERSON ON COUNCIL OR ANOTHER, IF THEY AGREED WITH ONE PERSON OR TWO PEOPLE ON COUNCIL AND DISAGREED WITH OTHERS? WE'VE NEVER ASKED THAT.

WE BASICALLY ASKED, WHAT IS YOUR MAIN REASON FOR ME? THE MAIN REASON I WORK FOR PARKS, PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT IN ROUND ROCK FOR SIX YEARS. I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT HAVING PARKS IN IN TOWN.

OKAY, FOR OTHERS, THE SAME THING.

SHARON DYER WAS 30, SOME ODD YEAR EMPLOYEE IN ABILENE.

THE PROCESS IS WORKING.

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THERE'S NO NEED TO CHANGE THAT PROCESS.

KEEP YOUR THREE PEOPLE.

TAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS IF YOU WISH TO ASK.

WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE BREAKING DOWN THE DOORS TO GET ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN THIS TOWN, TO HAVE THEM STAND UP HERE AND BE GRILLED BY SEVEN PEOPLE IS GOING TO DO SEVERAL THINGS.

IT'S GOING TO STOP PEOPLE FROM WANTING TO BE ON A BOARD AND COMMISSION, AND IT'S GOING TO MAKE YOUR MEETINGS A WHOLE LOT LONGER.

AND JUST TO BRING IT INTO CURRENT, YOU JUST SPENT AN HOUR TALKING ABOUT A WALL IN A POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND YOU SPENT 20 TO 25 MINUTES TALKING ABOUT $1,600 FOR TRAINING. IMAGINE IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE TO INTERVIEW IN A CITY COUNCIL SESSION.

YOU'LL BE HERE UNTIL 4:00 IN THE MORNING.

IT'S NOT NECESSARY. IT'S WORKING THE WAY IT IS NOW.

YOU KEEP THE THREE PEOPLE, AND YOU HAVE THE CHAIR IN ON THE INTERVIEWS AND YOU MAKE A DETERMINATION AND YOU EITHER SAY YES OR NO.

OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT.

QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL OR ARE YOU GOING HOME? YOU DON'T SEE HOW WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS? YOU GOTTA AT LEAST WAIT AROUND FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS OR ACTION FROM COUNCIL? I HAD A QUESTION REGARDING THE SECTION SECTION E OR WAIT, SECTION F, NUMBER FOUR.

AFTER VERIFICATION BY THE CITY SECRETARY, THE LIST OF APPLICANTS WILL BE SENT TO THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION FOR REVIEW TO CONFIRM ELIGIBILITY AND IDENTIFY ANY CONFLICTS. IF THE APPLICATIONS MEET ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS AND NO CONFLICTS ARE FOUND, THE LIST OF APPLICANTS WILL BE SENT TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.

MY QUESTION IS WHAT GUIDELINES IS THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION GOING TO BE UTILIZING TO REVIEW OR CONFIRM ELIGIBILITY? AS WELL AS YEAH, LET'S START THERE.

YEAH. I'M WITH YOU ON THAT.

I THINK I THINK THE CITY SECRETARY WOULD BE QUALIFIED TO DETERMINE ELIGIBILITY.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT HAS TO GO TO THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION, BUT FOR ME, IT'S MORE IDENTIFYING CONFLICTS.

I WOULD NEED A POLICY FOR HOW THOSE CONFLICTS ARE.

WHERE ARE THEY? WHAT ARE WHAT EXACTLY ARE THEY DOING WHEN THEY'RE IDENTIFYING CONFLICTS? I MEAN, THAT THAT'S VERY OPEN ENDED TO ME.

AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS DEFINED ENOUGH FOR ME TO SUPPORT THAT RIGHT NOW.

YEAH. FOR ME ON THAT, I THINK, I THINK HOW THAT CAN BE RESOLVED IS WE HAVE A WORK SESSION WITH THE ETHICS COMMISSION COMING UP.

AND I THINK THAT'S A I THINK THAT'S A CHARGE THAT IN MY MIND, WE OUGHT TO GIVE TO THE ETHICS COMMISSION.

AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST WOULD BE PER WHAT IS IT? CHAPTER 172. WHAT'S THE.

YES. CHAPTER 171 171 GOVERNMENT CODE.

AND I DON'T MIND IF WE PUT IN THERE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, YOU KNOW, PER CHAPTER 171.

I THINK PART OF THE THING I WOULD HOPE, IS THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING SO MUCH ON STAFF TO DO SOME OF THIS. WE HAVE A BOARD THAT IS VERY EAGER TO MEET REGULARLY AND START REALLY WORKING ON ETHICS REFORM IN OUR CITY, WHICH IS SOME PEOPLE THINK IS HIGHLY NEEDED.

AND THIS MAY BE A GOOD WAY FOR THEM JUST TO WORK AND MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANTS ARE FOLLOWING THE LAW, BUT I WOULDN'T IMAGINE MUCH MORE THAN THAT.

I THINK MAYBE RATHER THAN REVIEWING AFTER THE FACT FOR CONFLICT OF INTEREST, IF IT'S JUST BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE SPECIFIC STATE LAW IS MAKING THAT PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS, THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE EXPECTED TO BE FOLLOWING AS FAR AS CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

AND CAN YOU SWEAR THAT YOU FOLLOW THESE STANDARDS? BECAUSE, I MEAN, THERE'S YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN SUBPOENA BANK RECORDS FOR SOMEBODY JOINING A BORDER COMMISSION. YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO TAKE THEIR WORD FOR IT OR CHOOSE NOT TO, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN ACTUALLY INVESTIGATE.

AND SO I THINK MAKING THE APPLICATION PROCESS CLEAR COULD POTENTIALLY CLEAN A LOT OF THAT UP VERSUS SENDING EVERYBODY TO THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION SEEMS LESS EFFICIENT.

SO YOUR SUGGESTION IS TAKE OUT PARAGRAPH FOUR AND JUST MAKE MAKE CHAPTER 171 COMPLIANCE PART OF THE APPLICATION.

YES. AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A REFERENCE TO THEM TO DISCLOSE ANY FAMILY MEMBERS WITHIN

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THE SECOND DEGREE OF CONSANGUINITY AND THIRD DEGREE OF AFFINITY.

THERE'S A CHART THAT SHOWS AND THAT THAT CAN BE PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT TO DISCLOSE ANY FAMILY MEMBERS. SO ONE F4.

ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS REGARDING NUMBER TWO MEETINGS, SECTION A, ANY ONE MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL MAY PLACE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA BY SUBMITTING THEM TO THE CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE AND MAYOR.

CITY ATTORNEY. IT. AS I'M UNDERSTANDING, THE MAYOR IS THE CEREMONIAL HEAD OF THE MEETING. SO WHY WOULD WE SUBMIT AGENDA TOPICS TO THE MAYOR AS WELL, AND NOT JUST THE CITY MANAGER? IF YOU'RE ASKING, I WAS ASKING THE CITY ATTORNEY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT SHE KNOWS WHY WE PUT THAT IN THERE, BUT WE DIDN'T TELL HER.

YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU PUT IT IN THERE, BUT I THOUGHT THAT THE IDEA WAS YOU WANT AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE TO HAVE SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA, AND THE MAYOR WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

WELL, WE GOT RID OF THAT, THOUGH. YEAH.

NO, I CAN TELL YOU. SO THE REASON WE PUT THAT ON THERE IS PART OF THE JOB OF THE MAYOR IS TO MAKE SURE THE AGENDA IS SET UP FOR THE MEETING, AND WE'VE HAD NOT VERY OFTEN, BUT WE'VE HAD TIMES THE MAYOR PRO TEM HAD AN ISSUE WHERE, HEY, I ASKED FOR AN ITEM. IT'S NOT MAKING IT ON THE AGENDA.

AND SO THE IDEA IS, IF THE MAYOR IS INVOLVED IN MAKING SURE THE AGENDA IS SET UP.

THEN THE MAYOR PROBABLY OUGHT TO KNOW WHAT ITEMS PEOPLE ARE ASKING TO PUT ON THERE TO VERIFY THAT THEY ARE ON THERE, BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING COMING UP AND WE'VE ALREADY PUSHED BACK ON SOME THINGS, IS MOVING ITEMS OFF. AND IF IT'S A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT HAS AN ITEM THAT THEY WANT AND WE HAVE A MEETING THAT LOOKS LONG, EITHER I OR THE CITY MANAGER NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE POTENTIALLY WITH THAT COUNCIL MEMBER TO SEE IF IT'S OKAY IF WE MOVE IT FOR A WEEK OR WE MOVE SOMETHING ELSE.

SO I THINK THE INTENT THERE IS SINCE THE MAYOR IS PART OF THE AGENDA WRITING PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THE MAYOR KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON. THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.

I THINK IT'S BEEN WORKING FINE, AS IS WITH COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE CITY MANAGER. AS FAR AS ITEMS BEING ON THE AGENDA AND ASKING THEM TO BE MOVED.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WOULD STAY IN THERE.

AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION WAS ON SECTION II OR SECTION.

SECTION L APOLOGIZE. FORMAT OF MEETINGS TWO OR SORRY, I APOLOGIZE, I APOLOGIZE M USE OF DIGITAL MEDIA.

MEDIA DURING MEETINGS O UNDER TWO.

SAYS CITY COUNCIL SHALL NOT ALLOW THE USE OF DIGITAL MEDIA DURING ANY EXECUTIVE SESSION EXCEPT FOR THAT REQUIRED BY LEGAL COUNSEL OR AS DESIGNATED BY THE MAYOR.

SO WE HAVE MEMOS THAT ARE SENT TO US ACCESSING THEM ON OUR DEVICES.

DOES THAT NIX DEVICES IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? I GUESS CITY ATTORNEY WOULD THAT HOW WOULD WE ACCESS YOUR MEMOS? IF WE, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, YOU COULD.

YOU COULD CHANGE. EXCEPT FOR THAT PREPARED BY LEGAL COUNSEL.

BECAUSE YOUR MEMOS WERE TRYING TO PREPARE A MEMO FOR EACH EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM.

CORRECT. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO PULL IT UP TO REFER TO IT.

PORTOFINO. DO YOU WANT TO MENTION WHERE THAT CAME FROM, OR DO YOU WANT ME TO? YEAH.

THERE'S A REASON THIS IS HERE. SO LET'S LET'S HEAR THE.

DOES ANYBODY WANT TO GET MAD AT. I'LL WELL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL BE I'LL, I'LL BE THE HUCKLEBERRY.

OKAY. I PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE ON THEIR PHONES DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AND IT BOTHERS ME AND I TRY TO MAKE IT A HABIT TO EITHER, YOU KNOW, DIGEST THE INFORMATION AHEAD OF TIME TO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT TO ASK. WE ARE PROVIDED WITH PRINTOUTS DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION.

FOR WHAT? WE'RE YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS. AND, YOU KNOW, TO BE HONEST, IT'S FOR ME, IT'S A POINT OF INTEGRITY.

IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE INTEGRITY IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, YOU KNOW, THEN THEN WE NEED TO NOT HAVE OUR PHONES.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW WHAT? IF SOMEONE'S TEXTING, I'M NOT SAYING THIS HAS EVER HAPPENED, OKAY? IT'S AGAIN, IT'S JUST A POINT OF INTEGRITY.

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YOU KNOW WHAT? IF SOMEBODY'S TEXTING SOMEBODY SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TEXTING A DEVELOPER OR THEY'RE TEXTING THEIR BUDDY AND NOT PAYING ATTENTION? SO FOR ME, THAT'S THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT IS. IT'S JUST I SEE TOO MANY PEOPLE ON THEIR PHONES, AND IT BOTHERS ME. PROFESSIONALLY, I'M THE SAME WAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WHEN I GO INTO A MEETING, IT'S PHONES ON THE TABLE.

WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS. WE'RE HERE FOR IMPORTANT REASONS. SO, YOU KNOW YOU DON'T NEED YOUR PHONE.

THAT'S JUST. THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT.

YOU'RE NICER THAN ME. I DEFINITELY AGREE.

THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE ON THEIR PHONES. WE'RE BACK THERE TALKING ABOUT MILLION DOLLAR ITEMS, AND WE'RE NOT TALKING LEGAL MEMOS, AND PEOPLE ARE ON THEIR PHONES, AND WE'VE HAD ISSUES BEFORE WHERE WE'RE FAIRLY CONFIDENT PEOPLE WERE EITHER RECORDING THINGS, TAKING IT OUT, AND I WOULD JUST SAY THIS THERE'S REALLY WITH THE CHANGE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID, EXCEPT FOR THAT REQUIRED OR PREPARED BY LEGAL COUNSEL. I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYBODY NEEDS TO BE ON THEIR PHONE.

POTENTIALLY YOU'RE ACTUALLY CAUSING YOU'RE ACTUALLY CAUSING POTENTIALLY ATONEMENT ISSUE OR AN OPEN RECORDS ISSUE, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE ONE OF THE THINGS IS I FORGOT HOW IT WORKS. IF WE GET PAPERWORK OR LIKE WE TAKE NOTES BACK THERE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT CAN BE CALLED BY THE PUBLIC TO LOOK AT.

SO FOR ME, IF YOU'RE ON YOUR PHONE OR WE HAD A COUNCIL ONE TIME WHERE PEOPLE WERE PASSING NOTES ALL THE TIME AND WE STOPPED IT BECAUSE I, JUST IN THE MIDDLE OF A MEETING SAID, POINT OF ORDER, I'D LIKE TO READ THAT NOTE, BECAUSE EVERYTHING WE HAVE UP HERE IS OPEN RECORD.

AND SO I THINK IT'S WHATEVER PEOPLE ARE DOING ON THEIR PHONES.

AND YOU'D BE VERY CAREFUL BECAUSE I MAY BE THE NEXT PERSON REQUESTING WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING. AND IF THEY'RE TEXTING THEIR KIDS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE OKAY.

I THINK THAT'S COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE TO MAKE SURE YOUR FAMILY IS SAFE.

BUT IF IT'S TEXTING SOMEONE BACK, THERE'S TIMES WE'RE BEING CITY COUNCIL WE'VE HAD WE'VE HAD POSTS MADE OUT THERE THAT DEAL WITH STUFF THAT WE HADN'T EVEN PUBLICLY TALKED ABOUT. AND I'VE WONDERED, HOW DO THESE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON ALL THE TIME? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT IT.

SO FOR ME, IT'S TO DIAL DOWN THE EDC HAD AN ISSUE WITH STUFF GETTING OUT, AND THEY DIALED DOWN ON THEIR END. AND I THINK THIS KIND OF IS A CITY COUNCIL'S VERSION OF. WHY WOULD YOU BE ON YOUR PHONE? WE EVEN HAD ONE LAST THING.

WE HAD OUR OUR BUDGET.

WE HAD PEOPLE PLAYING ON THEIR PHONES WHEN THE CITY MANAGER WAS GIVING A PRESENTATION.

WE HAVE A SCREEN IN FRONT OF US. THERE'S NO REASON TO BE ON OUR PHONES ALL DAY, BUT WE GOT PEOPLE ON OUR PHONES.

WE NEED TO STICK THEM IN OUR POCKETS. WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE ISSUE.

UNLESS THERE'S AN EMERGENCY AT HOME.

AND, WELL, I HATE TO BE THE MEAN GUY ON THAT, BUT IT'S KIND OF RIDICULOUS.

WE EVEN HAVE TO HAVE THAT.

YEAH. SO I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION.

I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A POINT OF PRIVILEGE TO, YOU KNOW, SAY YOU DON'T NEED TO BE ON YOUR PHONES.

I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S AN ISSUE AS FAR AS THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL ADULTS.

WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES OUTSIDE OF BEING UP HERE ON CITY COUNCIL THAT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT ARE ADDRESSED.

AND SO FOR THAT NOT REALLY SEEING THE, THE REASON FOR THIS SPECIFIC CHANGE AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH. I JUST WOULD ADD, I WOULD ADD THAT I MEAN, WHETHER THE DIGITAL MEDIA IS THERE OR NOT? I DO WANT TO REFERENCE THE LEGAL MEMOS IF THEY'RE PROVIDED BY PAPER AT THE MEETINGS LIKE THIS, THIS, THIS CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WE HAVE 16 MEMOS I BELIEVE I COUNTED.

SO I HAVE I'M A LITTLE NEW AT ALL THIS, BUT I HAVE TROUBLE KEEPING UP WITH ALL THAT, SO BEING ABLE TO REFERENCE THOSE QUICKLY FOR ME IS A LIMITATION OF MY PERSONAL LIMITATION.

SO BEFORE I GET UP TO SPEED, HAVING A PAPER COPY OF EVERYTHING AT THE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS WOULD HAVE HELPED ME.

IF I CAN'T USE MY DIGITAL DEVICE, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT.

ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS. THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD HAVE TO SAY ON THAT IS, IS I PERSONALLY WOULD PREFER FOR MY PHONE TO BE IN FRONT OF ME JUST IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY, YOU KNOW, AND AT HOME, OUTSIDE OF THAT, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ON IT.

OUT OF OUT OF RESPECT.

BUT THAT'S THAT WOULD REALLY BE THE ONLY TIME THAT THAT I WOULD WANT MY PHONE OUT IN FRONT OF ME. YEAH. I HAVE ANOTHER ITEM FOR SHIFTING OFF OF THAT ONE.

THIS IS BACK ON THE THE THE APPOINTMENT FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

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WHICH ONE IS THAT? IT'S A1F SPECIFICALLY ON PAGE 569 OF OUR PACKET. ONE F WHAT, 1F0, I'M SORRY, ONE F FOR ONE F FOR.

OKAY. AND REALLY 5678 9 OR 5 678 THAT ARE, THAT ARE DELETED OR OMITTED.

MY INTENTION, YOU KNOW, WITH OR WITHOUT A SUBCOMMITTEE WHEN I SPOKE ABOUT HAVING MORE COUNCIL INVOLVED, I DIDN'T I DID NOT MEAN I APOLOGIZE IF I WAS A CAUSING MISUNDERSTANDING.

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A BUNCH OF INTERVIEWS UP HERE.

NO, WHAT I MEANT WAS BEHIND THE SCENES PRIOR TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ALL OF THE COUNCIL, WHETHER I'M ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE OR NOT, WHETHER THERE IS A SUBCOMMITTEE OR NOT.

I THINK THE COUNCIL SHOULD BE SHOULD SHOULD, SHOULD.

INTENT IS TO KEEP THE ENTIRE COUNCIL ABREAST OF ALL APPLICANTS, THEIR INTERVIEWS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, OPINIONS, WHATEVER, PRIOR TO THE FACT.

SO THAT WE COME UP HERE AND WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO BE PUBLICLY SHARED. WE ALL HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS CANDIDATE, THIS POSITION AND WHAT THE PROCESS HAS, HAS REVEALED.

AND MAYBE IT'S A MISMATCH.

THAT'D BE GREAT OVER HERE. NOT OVER HERE.

MAYBE THEY'RE A LITTLE INEXPERIENCED.

ARE. MAYBE THERE'S SOME FUNDAMENTAL MISMATCH WITH THE INTENT OF THE BORDER COMMISSION.

BUT MY MY INTENTION WAS, IS TO HAVE ALL THE COUNCIL PARTICIPATE IN THE UNDERSTANDING PROCESS PRIOR TO WE COMING TO COUNCIL MAKING MOTIONS.

SO HOW THAT IS DONE AGAIN, THAT COULD BE DONE WITH OR WITHOUT A SUBCOMMITTEE. I LIKE I LIKE THE VETTING PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH THE CITY SECRETARY AND THE NEO GOV AS I COME UP TO SPEED ON THAT, WHICH FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW NEO GOV IS BASICALLY THE JOB APPLICATION FOR ALL THE JOBS. SO NOW THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONERS ARE ALSO ON THE SAME APPLICANT SAME MOBILE APP OR LAPTOP APP. SO I KIND OF LIKE THAT, BUT MY INTENTION WAS ONLY TO GET MORE COUNCIL INVOLVED IN THE IN THE INITIAL PHASES AND THE INTERMEDIARY PHASES ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WHAT IS KIND OF BEEN AN OUTCOME OF THAT.

THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO I THINK ONE ONE ISSUE WITH THAT IS IF THERE'S INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO ALL THE COUNCIL THEN THAT'S OPEN RECORDS INFORMATION.

AND SO IF THE IDEA IS THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING PUBLIC, YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT PUBLIC. WELL, I MEAN THE GOOD POINT.

BUT THROUGH NIO GOV AND I'M VERY, VERY YOUNG COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS, COULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? WHERE WERE YOU GOING? WHEN DAN THORNTON I LET HIM SPEAK.

YOU'RE DOING A BART SIMPSON.

I THINK NEIL GOVE AND I'M STILL LIMITED IN ITS UNDERSTANDING CAN BE HAVE INFORMATION IN THERE ABOUT INTERVIEWS, WHETHER SOMEONE'S BEEN RECOMMENDED OR REFERRED OR ARCHIVED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT OF NEO GOV, BUT I DIDN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE PUBLIC ASPECT OF THAT. BUT NEO GOV IS AN INTERNAL INTERNAL APPLICATION.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT OR NOT, BUT WHETHER IT'S THROUGH OUR MESSAGE BOARD, WHICH IS NOT WELL, THAT IS PUBLIC AS WELL. NEVER MIND.

YEAH. OKAY. MY INTENTION IS TO GET EVERYBODY INVOLVED AND HOW WE CAN DO THAT.

THEN THAT'S THAT'S HOW I APPROACH IT.

YEAH. AND I'VE HEARD FROM SOMEONE NOT TO HAVE IT AT COUNCILMAN BUT HAVE A WORKSHOP.

THERE ARE SOME CITIES WHO ONCE A YEAR HAVE THE PROCESS AND I THINK, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK WE KIND OF MILD THIS A LITTLE BIT AFTER THE CITY OF GEORGETOWN, WHERE THEY HAVE A YEARLY PROCESS, AND THEN THAT'S WHERE YOU GET INTO LANGUAGE LATER ON AND THEN AS, AS MAY BE NEEDED OTHER MEETINGS.

BUT WE'VE CREATED SUCH A SYSTEM.

I HONESTLY THINK THE REASON PEOPLE DON'T APPLY IS BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A SYSTEM WHERE IN OTHER CITIES PEOPLE APPLY.

THERE'S A DAY WE CAN HAVE A WORK SESSION.

WE GO THROUGH THEM ALL.

WE DISCUSS IT ALL. I DON'T THINK THERE HAS TO BE THIS.

I'M NOT EVEN IN FAVOR OF A LOT OF INTERVIEWING, BECAUSE SOMETIMES I HEAR WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE APPLYING, BUT WHEN WE DO, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE QUALIFIED AND THEY'RE THE APPROPRIATE PERSON.

AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO INTERVIEW, WE JUST DO IT AT ONCE, GET OVER ONCE A YEAR. AND THEN AS PEOPLE FALL OFF THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WE CAN EASILY MEET HAVE A QUICK DEAL AT A WORK SESSION.

BUT THAT'S HOW I KIND OF SAW IT.

IS THAT KIND OF WHAT? YEAH, JUST KIND OF WHAT? WE'VE SEEN OTHER CITIES DO THIS REGULAR MEETING AND GETTING EVERYBODY TOGETHER.

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IT'S NOT COMMON IN OTHER CITIES THAT WE FOUND, BUT. BUT IT IS SUCCESSFUL IN OTHER CITIES.

YEAH. I MEAN, I MEAN, NOT TO SAY THAT WE.

OKAY, THAT'S ALL GREAT, BUT AREN'T YOU KIND OF DEFEATING THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMITTEE? YOU ALL HAVE THE FIRST OFF, YOU'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE THE APPLICATIONS FOR WHOEVER'S COMING IN, WHETHER IT BE EDC OR WHATEVER BOARD, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR APPLICATIONS, YOU ALL HAVE ACCESS TO IT AND YOU ARE ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS.

YOU ASK THE QUESTION RIGHT OFF THE BAT WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE NOMINATE JOE BLOW FOR THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD, SOMEBODY ELSE SECONDS IT.

AND YOU SAY ANY DISCUSSIONS AT THAT POINT, EVERYBODY ON CITY COUNCIL HAS A HAS AN ABILITY AND ACTUALLY A DUTY TO ASK THE COMMITTEE, WHAT ABOUT THIS PERSON? IF THE PERSON IS IN THE ROOM, YOU EVEN HAVE THE DUTY TO PULL THEM UP HERE AND SAY, ASK HIM QUESTIONS.

DEPENDING ON WHAT HE'S DOING NOW, PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK THAT, SORRY, I DON'T I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT YOU HAD YOUR THREE MINUTES AND IT'S REALLY A COUNCIL DEBATING THE THING.

OH, I THOUGHT WE WERE STILL ABLE TO INTERACT SINCE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AN AGENDA ITEM.

MY BAD. YEAH. SORRY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, SO I HAD SOME QUESTIONS, CLARIFICATIONS ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE PROPOSED. AND I COULD I'D LIKE TO OFFER.

SO STARTING OUT BEFORE I FORGET. SO I'D LIKE TO OFFER SOME CLARIFICATION. SO THIS THIS PROCESS WAS INTENDED TO BE AN ANNUAL PROCESS.

WHEN IT'S WORKING CORRECTLY.

YOU ONLY DO THIS ONCE A YEAR, AND THEN THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE MEETS AS NEEDED WHEN YOU HAVE VACANCIES THAT COME UP THAT ARE UNPLANNED.

SO THAT'S HOW IT WAS ALWAYS INTENDED.

I THINK THAT THIS PROCESS WORKED VERY, VERY WELL.

LAST YEAR. IT WAS VERY ORGANIZED.

WE DID A A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF NOMINATIONS IN ONE MEETING.

I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY RECALL, BUT WE I THINK WE HAD 20 TO 30 NOMINATIONS IN ONE DAY. SO WE KNOCKED OUT A TON OF THOSE.

AND THEN WE JUST KIND OF FILLED IN THE GAPS AS NEEDED.

THE I THINK THE WE DID NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PEOPLE NOT APPLYING.

SO I THINK THE ASSUMPTION THAT THAT THIS PROCESS WAS LIMITING THE, APPLICATIONS IS NOT ACCURATE.

WE CONSISTENTLY HAD MORE APPLICATIONS THAN WE HAD POSITIONS OPENING ON SEVERAL OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. SO WE HAD A LOT OF APPLICATIONS AND WE WERE TURNING PEOPLE AWAY JUST BECAUSE WE HAD TWO OPENINGS AND FOUR APPLICATIONS.

SO I THINK IT WAS WORKING VERY WELL.

THE BOARD CHAIRS, ALL THE BOARD CHAIRS THAT I TALKED TO APPRECIATE THEIR, THEIR ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE.

I THINK HAVING THE BOARD CHAIRS THERE AND PRESENT SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED THE VALUE OF THE INTERVIEWS. I THINK WE SAW AN INCREASE IN THE, IN THE PARTICIPATION IN THE APPOINTEES WHEN THEY WERE APPOINTED, BECAUSE THEY WERE TAKING A LOT MORE SERIOUS BECAUSE THEY WERE INTERVIEWED. SO ALL THAT TO, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO PREFACE THAT, TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT HAS WORKED VERY WELL WHEN THE PROCESS IS FOLLOWED, WORKS PHENOMENALLY.

SO MY QUESTIONS IS, I WANTED TO GO THROUGH ON HERE.

SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I WAS GOING TO PUT FORTH, I WOULD I WOULD PREFER TO KEEP PARAGRAPHS FIVE, SIX, SEVEN AND EIGHT AS THEY ARE.

BUT ONE OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS WAS GOING TO BE TO REMOVE THE EDC FROM THE PROCESS AND TO NOT HAVE EDC APPOINTMENTS GO THROUGH THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE, BECAUSE ESPECIALLY NOW THAT IT JUST PASSED, MOST OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. I DO LIKE THE PARAGRAPH HERE WHERE IT SAYS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE EXEMPT.

I THINK THAT IS A LITTLE WEIRD TO HAVE THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE INTERVIEWING A FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBER TO BE ON A BOARD. AND SO I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.

YOU KNOW, THAT INTERRUPT YOU? WHERE ARE YOU AT? OH I'M SORRY.

SO WHAT F YEAH. PAGE ONE 568.

IT'S F. AND THEN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH, IT'S THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE SECTION.

I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT CLARIFYING THAT WHERE IT SAYS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE EXEMPT FROM THE FOLLOWING PROCESSES. SO TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK THAT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE. I WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND TO OMIT HEADACHE FROM THE LIST AND TO NOT HAVE THOSE APPOINTMENTS GO THROUGH THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE AND JUST HAVE THOSE BE DONE BY COUNCIL. I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. I THINK ALSO THE LGCS WE COULD ELIMINATE THAT FROM THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE BECAUSE THOSE TRADITIONALLY HAVE BEEN ONLY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

SO WE COULD SIMPLIFY IT THAT WAY AND REALLY JUST MAINLY FOCUS ON THE STANDING BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WE HAVE. AND THEN ANY TASK FORCES THAT WE THAT WE HAVE HERE.

SO I LIKE THOSE THOSE CHANGES THERE.

I LIKE HAVING THE CITY SECRETARY TAKE A MORE ACTIVE ROLE IN VERIFYING THINGS.

I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PART OF HER ROLE.

AND THEN I WOULD ALSO BE OPEN TO A CHANGE WITHIN THE PARAGRAPHS THAT ARE REDLINED.

I THINK THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT QUESTIONS ARE BEING ASKED.

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I THINK THAT IF WE CAME UP WITH IF WE STILL DID THE INTERVIEWS, WE STILL DID THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE TO DO IT, BUT WE HAD A A LIST OF SUGGESTED QUESTIONS, OR HERE'S THE LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT KIND OF CAN BE ASKED, AND YOU JUST KIND OF COME UP WITH THAT WHOLE LIST BECAUSE THERE'S SOME STANDARD QUESTIONS THAT WE TYPICALLY WOULD ASK.

ARE YOU ABLE TO SERVE ON THIS DATE AND TIME? THIS IS WHEN THE BOARD MEETS WHAT WHAT IS YOUR PURPOSE IN APPLYING? WHAT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE.

THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AND SO IF WE WANTED TO STANDARDIZE THE QUESTIONS I'M TOTALLY OPEN TO THAT. I THINK THAT'S TOTALLY APPROPRIATE. SO AND THEN ALSO I STRONGLY, STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT WE KEEP THE BOARD CHAIRS INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS, WHATEVER WE DO GOING FORWARD, THAT THEY STAY INVOLVED.

AND THEY STILL ARE. RIGHT. IT SAYS THAT IT SAYS MAY IF YOU LOOK AT PARAGRAPH, I THINK IT'S NINE IN THAT SECTION SAYS THAT EACH BOARD CHAIR, IF APPLICABLE, MAY ALSO PARTICIPATE IN THESE MEETINGS.

SO YEAH, IF I MEAN, IF WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO AS A, AS A MAJORITY MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED.

I WOULD ALMOST LIKE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WILL INSTEAD OF MAY, BUT I'D LIKE IT A LITTLE BIT STRONGER.

SO THAT'S KIND OF IT FOR THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE SIDE.

I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. I DON'T SEE THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THE THE ETHICS REVIEW BOARD PARTICIPATE IN THAT.

I THINK IF WE PUT IT IN THE APPLICATION, THAT'S THAT IS SUFFICIENT.

NO CONCERNS. I DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THE INELIGIBILITY.

IF THEY DON'T, IF THEY DON'T ATTEND.

I THINK ATTENDANCE AT THE BOARD MEETINGS IS VERY IMPORTANT. SO I AGREE WITH THAT. SHARED SOME OF COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON'S CONCERNS ABOUT GETTING THINGS ON THE AGENDA, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING WRITTEN APPROVAL FROM THE MAYOR TO ADD SOMETHING.

I THINK THAT JUST CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

THE WAY I READ IT, THAT'S ONLY IF IT'S LIKE BEING ADDED LAST MINUTE.

IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. SO JUST A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM.

WE DON'T NEED WRITTEN APPROVAL.

IT'S JUST LIKE, HEY, I WANT TO ADD IT.

IT'S IT'S MONDAY, YOU'RE PUBLISHING IT AT FIVE.

IT'S MONDAY AT TEN. I WANT TO ADD SOMETHING.

OKAY. I THINK THAT'S. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

THAT'S FINE. YOU GOT TO BE ORGANIZED.

AND I THINK THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING THAT I HAD A QUESTION ON FOR CLARIFICATION, BUT I'M NOT SEEING IT. DIGITAL MEDIA HAS ALREADY BEEN COVERED. THE CHANGE IN DATE TO THE FINANCIAL CLOSURE. I LOVE THAT MOVE IT WAY UP.

THAT MAKES ME DO IT SOONER.

BECAUSE I ALWAYS WAIT TILL THE LAST MINUTE. AND.

OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S IT.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION R DASH 2020 5-185.

AS PRESENTED WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE SCRATCHED ONE F4 AND WE ADD THE CHAPTER 171 REQUIREMENT TO THE APPLICATION.

AND WE REVISE THE NUMBER TWO M FOR IT TO SAY, EXCEPT FOR THAT REQUIRED OR PREPARED BY CITY LEGAL.

SO IT WAS WHAT WAS THE PARAGRAPH 14F4141F41F4.

IT'S NOT EVEN 10:00 YET.

1F4 AND THEN TWO M AND 1F4 WAS TO SCRATCH THAT, BUT JUST BASICALLY SAY ADD IT TO THE APPLICATION.

YEAH, JUST THE CHAPTER 171 REQUIREMENT TO THE APPLICATION.

BUT TAKE OUT THE ETHICS COMMISSION PART SECOND.

WHAT WAS THE SECOND PARAGRAPH? 2M2.

M M C ELECTRONIC DEVICES.

AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS THE CHANGE THERE? THAT CAN HAVE YOUR PHONE OUT UNLESS IT'S FOR A DOCUMENT REQUIRED OR PREPARED BY CITY LEGAL. AND I WOULD JUST SAY THIS ONE OF THE COMMITMENTS I'M MAKING TO THE CITY MANAGER IS WE DEBATE MORE OF THIS ON THE MESSAGE BOARD, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING EVERYBODY SAID.

BUT FOR LIKE A MONTH THIS HAS BEEN ON THE MESSAGE BOARD.

AND SO WHAT I'M HOPING TO AND THIS JUST A A THING THAT I'VE BEEN COMMITTING TO MATT AND JAMES IS TO DEBATE MORE OF THIS LEGALLY ON THE MESSAGE BOARD.

AND WE GET UP HERE, WE'RE GOING TO START FINDING THESE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE MESSAGE BOARD. WE'RE GOING TO START FIGHTING THEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND MY IDEA IS WE'VE DEBATED IT. WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN'T VOTE ON THERE, BUT WE'RE GETTING LIKE, WE GOT SOME KIND OF CONSENSUS. MAYBE THEN I'M GOING TO BE TELLING JAMES, HEY, GO AHEAD AND GET IT READY, THROW IT ON THE CONSENT, AND I'M EXPECTING SOMEBODY TO PULL IT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT OR WE'RE VOTING FOR IT.

BECAUSE I WANT THESE MEETINGS.

IT'S 10:00 BY THE END OF THE YEAR AND 9:00 BY THE NEXT YEAR IS WHY I TOLD JAMES WE'RE GOING TO BE DONE. AND SO I WHILE I APPRECIATE WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING,

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WE GOT TO GET THIS ON THE MESSAGE BOARD BECAUSE IT'S LEGAL AND IT'S EASY AND SO.

YEAH, YEAH, I HEAR YOU.

I FAILED TO TO CONTRIBUTE MUCH ON THIS BILL.

ANYTHING ON THIS ON THE MESSAGE BOARD, BUT I'M GOING TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT AND SEE IF IT FLIES OR NOT. MY AMENDMENT WOULD BE TO REINSTATE IN SECTION ONE F ON THE ON THE NOMINATIONS, REINSTATE NUMBERS FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT, BUT CHANGE NUMBER SIX.

CHANGE THE FIRST SENTENCE TO STATE.

THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE WILL CONSIST OF THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS SELECTED BY THE COUNCIL, SELECTED BY THE WHOLE CITY COUNCIL, AND THE CHAIR OF THE BORDER COMMISSION, WHOSE VACANCY IS BEING CONSIDERED, AND THEN ELIMINATE THE SECOND SENTENCE COMPLETELY. THAT ASSIGNS IT TO 135 AND 246, BECAUSE I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN. CONFLICTS WITH WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS NOT GETTING ALONG.

AND I THINK IF THE COUNCIL SELECTS THE THREE PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE, IT CAN BE A LOT MORE EFFECTIVE.

AND THE COUNCIL CAN CHANGE THE COMMITTEE WHENEVER IT SEES FIT. I LIKE THAT SECOND CLARIFICATION. DID YOU SAY TO ADD THE CHAIR IN THE SELECTING? YEAH, THE CHAIR IS PART OF THE SELECTING. YES.

THE BOARD. CHAIR. THE CHAIR OF THE OF THE BOARD OR COMMISSION THAT SELECTS THE SUBCOMMITTEE. NO NO NO.

THEY'RE THEY'RE PART OF THE SELECTION PROCESS.

YES, THEY'RE PART OF THE PROCESS. NOT SELECTING THE CITY COUNCIL. RIGHT. THEY'RE NOT SELECTING WHO THE COUNCIL PUTS ON.

THANK YOU. YES. SO I STILL LIKE THE I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S A BAD SUGGESTION.

DAN I DO LIKE THAT. MY I GUESS MY THING IS JUST TO TO JIM'S POINT IS MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE COUNCIL HAS THE SAME INFORMATION.

YOU KNOW, IF WE DO ALL THIS TOGETHER, THEN THAT KIND OF GETS RID OF THAT NOW I WILL, I WILL SAY, PETER, LIKE TO SAY HOW LAST YEAR IT WENT SO WELL.

BUT I'D ALSO ASK WHO WAS THE CHAIR OF THAT SUBCOMMITTEE AT THE TIME.

SO NOT A HUMBLE STATEMENT, ACCURATE, BUT NOT HUMBLE.

SO OF COURSE IT WENT WELL.

POINT TAKEN. BUT I'M EXTREMELY ORGANIZED.

NO, NO, NO, YOU ARE THE SPREADSHEET THAT YOU GAVE ME. I'VE ADDED TO THAT AND IT'S AND IT'S WONDERFUL. JIM LIKES IT.

HIS ENGINEER BRAIN WENT CRAZY. BUT I'M JUST SAYING BECAUSE, DAN, I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK THERE'S SOME SOME PERSONALITY CONFLICTS THERE. NO ARGUMENT WHICH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. RIGHT.

IT'S NATURAL. BUT AGAIN, IT'S THE POINT IS TO HAVE ALL OF COUNCIL HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION, AND THAT'S HARD TO DO IF THEY'RE NOT IN ON THE INTERVIEW, BECAUSE IF WE BRING THEM UP HERE AND WE'RE GOING TO INTERVIEW THEM UP HERE, WHY DON'T WE JUST DO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE? I DON'T WANT TO DO IT AT A COUNCIL MEETING BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE HERE ALL NIGHT. BUT THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF MY WHOLE IDEA IS HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET ALL OF US TOGETHER TO DO IT? AND IF WE DO IT, YOU KNOW, TWICE A YEAR, ONCE A YEAR, QUARTERLY, WHATEVER IT IS.

AND. YEAH. AND YEAH, HISTORICALLY IT'S BEEN IT'S HARD TO GET I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO ASK PEOPLE TO SERVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S JUST MY TAKE ON IT. I THINK ONE THING WE CAN AGREE ON IS THERE'S NO PERFECT SYSTEM HERE. TRUE. 100%. SO I OFFERED AN AMENDMENT.

WE'LL VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.

I LIKE THE AMENDMENT, AND I'M PROBABLY OKAY WITH IT BECAUSE IF I IF WE HAVEN'T, WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST MONTH AND A HALF OR TWO MONTHS, I'LL JUST VOTE TO REMOVE PEOPLE UNTIL LIKE WE GET WE GET IT RIGHT.

BECAUSE WHAT'S REALLY BOTHERED ME IS WE'VE GOT LIKE A MEETING TO GO.

WE HAD TO KNOW THE VOTE OF PEOPLE.

AND THIS WEEK WE DIDN'T HAVE TO KNOW THE VOTE OF PEOPLE.

AND SO WE'VE GOT TO GET TO A POINT TO WHERE.

AND I THINK WHAT THAT IS, IS THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVING INFORMATION AND SOME PEOPLE NOT HAVING INFORMATION, AND THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE ALL GET IT SO THAT WE'RE NOT ALL, WHAT WAS THE VOTE? WHY DID YOU GUYS NOT AGREE? IT WASN'T UNANIMOUS. WHY WASN'T UNANIMOUS? USUALLY UNANIMOUS. I MEAN, ALL THAT STUFF.

IT'S A CIRCUS. AND TO ME, THESE OTHER CITIES THAT GO THROUGH, AND THEY HAVE A SATURDAY MEETING AND THEY'RE MEETING WITH THE PEOPLE, AND THEY JUST ASK REGULAR QUESTIONS. WHEN YOU'RE IN A GROUP, PEOPLE BEHAVE DIFFERENTLY.

WHEN YOU'RE 2 OR 3 PEOPLE IN A MEETING WITH A BOARD CHAIR.

THEY'RE ACTING DIFFERENTLY. AND SO I THINK IF IT IS A PUBLIC MEETING, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE COUNCIL MEMBERS ACT A LOT MORE MATURE. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE HAVING THE SHENANIGANS WE'VE BEEN HAVING. WHERE WHO DID YOU VOTE FOR? WHO DO YOU ALIGN WITH? WHAT'S YOUR POLITICAL AFFILIATION? ALL THESE DUMB QUESTIONS.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN A, IN A LIKE A WORK SESSION.

BUT I'M OKAY TRYING IT BECAUSE THEN IF ALL OF A SUDDEN ANOTHER APPLICANT SAYS, HEY, THEY BASICALLY QUIZZED ME, I SAID I LIKED YOU, AND NEXT THING I KNOW I WAS BEING SHOWN OUT THE DOOR AND I'M LIKE, WELL, THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE. THEN WE'LL JUST REMOVE THE PERSON ASKING THE QUESTION AND MAKE A BIG SCENE THEN.

AS LONG AS THERE'S A CHANGE, BECAUSE WHAT'S NOT WORKING? IT DID WORK WELL LAST YEAR, I'M NOT GOING TO LIE. IT WORKED WELL. BUT YOU'VE GOT SOME PEOPLE THIS YEAR

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THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, ONE OF THEM'S NOT HERE ANYMORE.

THEY WANTED TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY. AND SO, YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH YOUR AMENDMENT BECAUSE, WELL, THERE'S STILL FLEXIBILITY TO CHANGE WHATEVER'S NOT WORKING.

WE GOT TO MAKE THIS MORE PROFESSIONAL.

AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I DON'T SEE ANY OF THESE MEETINGS.

SO FOR ME, IT'S INTERESTING TO NOT SEE ANY OF THE MEETINGS AND AND HAVE PEOPLE COME TO ME AND TELL ME WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEN SIT UP HERE AND TRY TO ASK LIKE, HEY, WHY? WHY DO YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS PERSON? AND THEY JUST LOOK AT YOU, THEY DON'T TALK.

AND SO I'M LIKE, OKAY, WELL, YOU'RE ON THE COMMITTEE AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TALK. SO AT LEAST THIS WAY WE CAN THEN JUST VOTE PEOPLE OFF UNTIL WE GET IT RIGHT. AND IT MAY JUST BE MAY JUST BE GORDON AND ME.

GORDON AND ME AND DAN.

I DON'T THINK YOU'RE. I MAY JUST BE GORDON.

WELL, THE WAY HE'S SAYING IT WOULD TAKE OUT EVERYTHING AFTER THE FIRST SENTENCE, RIGHT? I LEFT THE LAST SENTENCE. YEAH. HE LEFT. HE LEFT? YEAH. HE HE. NOW, DO YOU LIKE THE AMENDMENT? WELL, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS WANT.

BUT I STILL WOULD ASK ME NOT BEING A PART OF THE PROCESS AT ALL.

JUST BE PREPARED FOR QUESTIONS. I MEAN, I WANT TO KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, FOR NIKKI, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. AND I STILL NEVER HEARD WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS. ALL I HEARD WAS, WE WANT TO INTERVIEW SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT THAT'S NOT HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING IT. AND SO TO ME, IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PERSON, I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS BECAUSE I'M GOING TO START PUSHING TO PUT THE PEOPLE ON.

YOU GUYS HAVE PROBLEMS WITH UNTIL SOMEONE CAN TELL ME WHY YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. AND ON THE FLIP SIDE, I WANT TO START KNOWING WHY YOU LIKE THE PEOPLE SO MUCH.

BECAUSE IF THE PROCESS WAS MEANT TO BE ONCE A YEAR, THAT'S NOT WORKING EITHER BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE HAVING TO MEET LIKE EVERY MONTH.

AND SO FOR SOME REASON, SOMETHING'S NOT WORKING.

AND I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I'M NOT INVOLVED IN IT.

SO I'M TAKING YOUR GUYS'S WORD THAT IT'S, I GUESS THIS YEAR'S THIS THIS YEAR'S APPLE.

WHAT IS IT? WHAT'S THIS THING CALLED? THIS YEAR'S NOMINATING COMMITTEE. IT'S JUST TERRIBLE. BUT THEY HAD A HORRIBLE CHAIR AT FIRST, I CAN TELL YOU. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU SUCK.

HE WASN'T AS GOOD AS THE LAST ONE. I DON'T KNOW, THE CURRENT, THE NOT THE CURRENT ONE.

THE PREVIOUS WAS TERRIBLE. CURRENT ONES STILL OUT FOR JUDGMENT. SO WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU.

SO OKAY, SO THE MOTION IS TO THE AMENDMENT PUT FIVE SIX.

YOU SAID SEVEN AND EIGHT BACK IN.

YEAH. BUT THE CHANGE THE FIRST SENTENCE OF SIX TO BE THAT THE COMMITTEE, THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE WILL CONSIST OF THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, AND IT WON'T CHANGE EVERY YEAR.

RIGHT. THEY STAY IN PLACE UNTIL THE COUNCIL SAYS WE NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE.

YEAH. JUST VOTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. THE CITY COUNCIL CAN CHOOSE TO CHANGE. THE MAYOR DOES NOT SERVE ON NOMINATING, AND THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OR COMMISSION, WHOSE VACANCY IS BEING CONSIDERED WOULD STILL BE PART OF THAT SENTENCE. PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY IS GOOD FOR ME BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, HEY, I WON THERE. AND THEN, YEAH, THE NEXT SENTENCE IS JUST DELETED ENTIRELY.

AND THEN THE LAST SENTENCE STANDS.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT MOTION? IT'S A CLARIFICATION.

DID YOU WANT TO KEEP THE MAYOR DOES NOT SERVE.

YEAH THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT HIS THING WAS. WANT TO KEEP HIM OUT OF IT? THAT'S GOOD. DADDY, DON'T TALK HIM INTO THAT. SO I HAD MENTIONED THAT I'D LIKE TO EXCLUDE EDC AND LGCS. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT BEING ADDED TO THE AMENDMENT? OH, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

SO THOSE DON'T GO THROUGH. SO IN SEVEN WE'RE GOING TO EXCLUDE HCDC AND LGC AND TOURS.

AND IT'S THROUGHOUT. IT'S SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT. YEAH. SO ANY ANY INSTANCES OF HEADACHE AND LGC AND TOURS.

WE WE REMOVE FROM THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE.

YEAH. AND ALL OF F ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

EVEN THROUGH THROUGH 13.

AND EVEN 17. 15. YEAH.

THAT'S ALL. THROUGH ENTIRE.

THROUGH THE WHOLE DOCUMENT. WELL, F1F.

SO ARE YOU ACCEPTING HIS AMENDMENT TO YOUR MOTION? IT'S THORNTON'S MOTION.

YEAH, HE'S ACCEPTING. HE AMENDED, AND I ASKED HIM IF WE COULD ADD THIS ONE THING TO OUR AMENDMENT.

A FRIENDLY, FRIENDLY. THAT WAS HIS AMENDMENT.

A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO YOUR MOTION.

ARE YOU ACCEPTING IT AND ARE YOU ACCEPTING IT? OH, NO. NO. HIS WILL BE SEPARATE.

OKAY, SO I NEED A SECOND ON HIS.

THAT WAS GORDON. THAT WAS.

THAT WAS THE SECOND. YEAH. THIS IS WHY SHE GETS PAID THE BIG BUCKS.

BECAUSE SHE HAS TO KEEP TRACK OF ALL THIS. ALL RIGHT.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. COUNCIL MEMBER.

THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

PORTERFIELD. AYE. MAYOR.

SNYDER. AYE. COUNCILMEMBER.

GORDON. AYE. I COUNCIL MEMBER KING.

I COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS.

I MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

I LOST COUNT THAT SEVEN AMENDMENT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE UNDERLYING AMENDED MOTION NOW?

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ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS I COUNCIL MEMBER.

GORDON I, COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. KING.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PORTERFIELD.

AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM. THORNTON.

IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, I'D LIKE TO GO TO ITEM 12 ONE NEXT.

MOTION PASSES SIX ONE.

ACTUALLY, THAT MIGHT BE THE. NO. WE GOT ONE MORE. OKAY.

[12.1. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. 0-2025-028 amending Article 10.4 Fireworks, of the Code of Ordinances to exempt non-aerial fireworks, including ground based or handheld pyrotechnics except when drought conditions are declared. (Jeffrey Yarbrough) ]

HEARING NONE. CONSIDERATION.

POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025.

DASH 028, AMENDING ARTICLE 10.4 FIREWORKS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO EXEMPT NON AERIAL FIREWORKS, INCLUDING GROUND BASED OR HAND-HELD PYROTECHNICS, EXCEPT WHEN DROUGHT CONDITIONS ARE DECLARED AND WE HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE TO SPEAK.

ALL RIGHT. CHIEF CURWOOD, NOW I GOT YOU SET UP.

SO I WOULD ASK TO SPEAK AFTER THE FIRE.

OKAY. WE'LL GO TO MR. WOODS.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR. COUNCIL.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK HERE THIS EVENING.

WHEN I FOUND OUT Y'ALL WERE PROPOSING A CHANGE TO EXEMPT THE NON AERIAL FIREWORKS.

I WROTE A MEMO TO CHIEF CURWOOD EXPRESSING SOME OF MY CONCERNS AND THE POSITION I SIT IN. MY GOAL IS TO WORK AS HARD AS I CAN TO KEEP THIS CITY AND ITS COMMUNITY CITIZENS AS SAFE AS I POSSIBLY CAN.

COULD YOU MOVE THE MICROPHONE A LITTLE CLOSER? THANK YOU.

I APOLOGIZE. IS THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER? ALL RIGHT, THERE WE GO. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST HIGHLIGHT SOME THINGS THAT WERE IN MY MEMO. I BELIEVE YOU ALL HAVE A COPY OF IT IN YOUR PACKET.

BUT LAST YEAR, IN 2024, THERE WAS 19 FATALITIES THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH FIREWORKS. THERE WAS A 14,741 INJURIES.

OF THOSE 14,000 INJURIES ALMOST 3200 OF THEM REQUIRED HOSPITALIZATION.

AFTER THAT, THEY WERE ALL TREATED IN THE EMERGENCY ROOMS AND FIREWORKS STARTED AN ESTIMATED 32,302 FIRES IN 2023.

OF THOSE, 3760 WERE STRUCTURE FIRES.

AND ALL THESE FIRES ACCOUNTED FOR AN ESTIMATED 15 CIVILIAN DEATHS, 58 INJURIES AND OVER $142 MILLION IN PROPERTY DAMAGE.

AND ONLY 11% OF THE FIREWORKS FIRES WERE STRUCTURE FIRES, BUT THOSE FIRES ACCOUNTED FOR 77% OF THE DEATHS.

83% OF THE INJURIES AND 88 OF THE DIRECT PROPERTY DAMAGE.

AND CHILDREN UNDER 15 YEARS OF AGE ACCOUNTED FOR 32% OF THOSE ESTIMATED INJURIES.

AND. SO BASICALLY IF YOU FOLKS CHOOSE TO LIFT THE BAN ON FIREWORKS AND SPARKLERS, SOME OF THOSE OTHER NON AERIAL DEVICES I THINK THE ACTION WOULD NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS.

AND THAT THAT CONCERNS ME.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT IS SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE TREAT SPARKLERS LIKE THEY'RE TOYS. OH, HEY, HERE'S A COOL SPARKLER.

GIVE IT TO LITTLE JOHNNY OR LITTLE JOHNNY.

HERE, GO PLAY WITH IT. AND THERE'S LITTLE TO NO ADULT SUPERVISION THERE.

AND SPARKLERS ACCOUNT FOR A LOT OF CHILDREN'S INJURIES, AND SPARKLERS BURN ANYWHERE DEPENDING ON THE SIZE AND TYPE OF SPARKLER.

1200 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT.

UP TO 2000 DEGREES. THAT'S HOT ENOUGH TO MELT SOME METALS, AND WE'RE LETTING LITTLE BILLY AND JOHNNY PLAY WITH THESE THINGS LIKE THEY'RE TOYS.

I'M NOT AGAINST FIREWORKS.

I JUST THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD KEEP THEM TO THE PROFESSIONALS.

HERE'S A COUPLE QUICK STATISTICS ABOUT SPARKLER INJURIES.

NATIONALLY, SPARKLERS ACCOUNTED FOR 1700 ER VISITS IN 2024.

MOST OF THOSE INJURIES, 37% OF THOSE INJURIES WERE BURNS.

AND WE KNOW PROBABLY THE MOST FREQUENT BODY PARTS THAT ARE BURNED ARE GOING TO BE THE HANDS, THE FEET, KIDS DROPPING THEM ON THEIR FEET.

THERE'S SOME EYE INJURIES INVOLVED WITH THAT AND SOME OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL.

IF THE BAN IS LIFTED ON FIREWORKS, I'M AFRAID THAT THE PUBLIC'S GOING TO SAY, OH, HEY, GREAT. HUDDLE.

LIFT. LIFTED. CHANGED THE ORDINANCE FOR FIREWORKS.

THEY'RE NOW ALLOWED. SO I THINK WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HEAR ARE FOLKS OUT THERE IS, HEY, THEY LIFTED THE FIREWORKS.

LET'S GO GET THE BIGGEST, BADDEST, CRAZY FIREWORKS.

WE CAN JUST START BUSTING THEM EVERYWHERE.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE THE TIME TO SAY, TO DO THE RESEARCH.

OH, IT'S IT'S LIKE SPARKLERS AND NON AERIALS.

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LESS POWERFUL ONES. I THINK THEY'RE JUST GOING TO HEAR BOOM IT'S LIFTED.

LET'S GO GET THEM. AND I THINK ONCE YOU RELEASE THAT GENIE FROM THE BOTTLE, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GET IT BACK AGAIN.

AND THAT JEOPARDIZES AND COMPROMISES THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS.

AND THAT'S A BIG CONCERN FOR ME.

ANOTHER ISSUE I HAVE IS THAT WE KNOW WE'VE GOT A FEW SUBDIVISIONS EVERY YEAR WHERE WE GET MORE CALLS FOR FIREWORKS AND COMPLAINTS ABOUT THEM.

AND THIS IS WITH THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE, NOTHING'S BEEN LIFTED.

IT'S IT'S LIKE A WAR ZONE IN SOME OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS OUT THERE.

AND THE CONCERN IS YOU'VE GOT SOMEONE SITTING IN THEIR HOUSE WATCHING TV.

YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE OTHER FOLKS OUT THERE POPPING THESE FIREWORKS.

ALL OF A SUDDEN, A STRAY FIREWORK GOES.

SOMEBODY SHOOTING A FIREWORK. THEY SHOULDN'T BE SHOOTING AT SOMEONE'S HOUSE IS ON FIRE.

HOPEFULLY THEY GET OUT OF THE FIRE.

THEY GET THEIR PETS OUT OF THE FIRE. NO ONE GETS INJURED, BUT MAYBE THEY LOSE THEIR HOUSE.

I'M NOT SAYING HOPEFULLY THEY LOSE THEIR HOUSE.

I'M SAYING IT'S A POSSIBILITY.

BUT NOW THIS PERSON WHO DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH NONE OF THESE FIREWORKS, THEY'VE LOST THEIR HOUSE.

THEY'VE LOST EVERYTHING INSIDE OF IT.

THEY'VE GOT TO START ALL OVER AGAIN.

INSURANCE PREMIUMS GO UP.

THEY CAN'T GET THOSE IRREPLACEABLE SENTIMENTAL OBJECTS BACK THAT WERE IN THEIR HOUSE PHOTOGRAPHS, VIDEOS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND THEY WEREN'T EVEN INVOLVED IN IT.

THEY'VE GOT TO START ALL OVER AGAIN.

IN MY RESEARCH, I COULDN'T FIND ANY ANY INCORPORATED CITY IN TEXAS THAT THAT HAS LIFTED THIS BAN. I FOUND A COUPLE IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT STATES.

ONE STATE IN PARTICULAR THAT HAS LIFTED A BAN ON FIREWORKS.

THEY HAD AN ELDERLY WOMAN WHOSE HOUSE CAUGHT ON FIRE DUE TO FIREWORKS.

SHE GOT TRAPPED INSIDE, AND SHE DIDN'T MAKE IT.

SHE PASSED AWAY. SO THEY'RE ACTIVELY REVISITING THIS POLICY TO CHANGE IT, TO PUT A BAN BACK IN PLACE AND JUST LEAVE THE FIREWORKS TO THE PROFESSIONALS.

HERE'S A HERE'S A HEADLINE TO THINK ABOUT.

TRAGEDY STRIKES HUTTO FAMILY DIES IN A HOUSE FIRE THAT'S RELATED OR WAS CAUSED BY FIREWORKS. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WANT THAT HEADLINE TO BE IN HUTTO.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU WOULD WANT TO BEAR THE WEIGHT OF THAT, KNOWING THAT IF YOU VOTED YES, THAT POSSIBLY YOU MAYBE HAD SOME SORT OF INDIRECT EFFECT. TO MAKE THIS HEADLINE POSSIBLE.

I DON'T I JUST DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BEAR THAT WEIGHT.

I KNOW I MOST CERTAINLY WOULDN'T, AND THAT'S A HEADLINE I WOULD NEVER WANT TO SEE IN THIS COMMUNITY AT ALL.

AND WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT CAN'T SUPPORT THIS.

I JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY CONCERNS.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME FOR LETTING ME SPEAK, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL FOLKS MAY HAVE. THANK YOU, SIR.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, CHIEF CURWOOD.

GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO ECHO MANY OF THE THINGS THE FIRE MARSHAL SAID. WE SUPPORT THE CITY WHEN YOU HAVE THESE REGULAR SHOWS.

THOSE ARE SHOWS FOR FIREWORKS WHERE A LOT OF PLANNING GOES INTO IT.

WE PLAN WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, WE PLAN WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE PLAN WITH WHOEVER ELSE MIGHT BE OUT THERE.

BUT THEY'RE PLANNED EVENTS BY PROFESSIONALS, NOT OUR KIDS, OUR GRANDKIDS GOING OUT AND SHOOTING.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE SEEN LOTS OF ORDINANCES COME THROUGH THIS COUNCIL OR COME FROM THE DAIS IN OVER 16 YEARS, AND THIS BY FAR WOULD HAVE TO BE THE WORST ORDINANCE THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN COME FROM COUNCIL BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL SAFETY THAT IT. SAFETY ISSUES THAT IT CREATES ON THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF HUTTO.

YOU ALL CLAIM THAT YOU'RE HERE FOR THE CITIZENS TO LOOK OUT FOR THEIR SAFETY.

TO HELP PD LOOK OUT FOR THEIR SAFETY.

IF YOU UNLEASH FIREWORKS IN THE CITY, YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS. YOUR CITY STAFF DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT THE CITIZENS IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE SAFE. BUT YOUR CITY STAFF ALSO,

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I KNOW, HAS TO FOLLOW WHATEVER ORDINANCE YOU PASS, AND THEY HAVE TO THEN PROMOTE THAT.

GOING BACK TO THE HEADLINE THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL JUST SAID, I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HEADLINE.

WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HEADLINE, BUT WE'RE NOT BOUND BY THE SAME RULES THAT THE CITY STAFF IS, WE CAN SAY TO THE NEWS MEDIA, THOSE THINGS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED HAD THE CITY COUNCIL NOT PASSED THIS, THIS ORDINANCE, YOUR ORDINANCE THAT YOU HAVE IS WORKING.

AND I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR INFORMATION FROM THE POLICE CHIEF.

I KNOW YOU HAVE INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET WHERE STAFF IS OPPOSED TO THIS.

I WOULD URGE YOU TO LISTEN TO YOUR STAFF, LISTEN TO THE PROFESSIONALS, NOT DO SOMETHING BECAUSE A POLITICAL OR A CONSTITUENT HAS ASKED YOU TO MAKE A CHANGE BECAUSE IT'S CONVENIENT FOR THEM, OR CONVENIENT FOR THEIR CHILDREN OR FOR THEIR GRANDCHILDREN. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE AND DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE ENTIRE CITY OF HUTTO.

QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU. THANKS, SIR.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. CHIEF, YOU YOU'RE.

YOU WANT TO TALK? NO, SIR.

I'M HERE JUST IN CASE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM CHIEF, IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE. YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO. I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM CHIEF.

THE QUESTIONS I WOULD POSE IS IS IT YOUR OPINION? WHICH IS AN EXPERIENCED OFFICER? YOURS, YOUR CHIEF AND ASSISTANT CHIEF, AND YOURS? YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, OPINION ABOUT SOMETHING.

AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS THAT, MORE SPECIFICALLY, IS HOW DOES THIS DO FOR THE CALLS? HOW DOES IT DO FOR YOUR PATROL OFFICERS? HOW DOES IT DO FOR DISPATCH? WHAT WHAT IMPACT DOES THIS HAVE WITH AND WITHOUT THE ORDINANCE BAN OR AGAIN, AN OPINION ON THAT. BUT I'LL ASK THE SECOND QUESTION.

I MEAN, THE FIRST QUESTION. SECOND. BUT THE FIRST QUESTION IS, IS WHAT WHAT IS THIS GOING TO DO? HOW IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT YOUR OFFICERS, YOUR PATROL, YOUR DISPATCH, AND AND JUST TO YOUR CALLS? YES, SIR. JEFF YARBOROUGH, CHIEF OF POLICE, LUDLOW POLICE DEPARTMENT TO YOUR QUESTION, IT'S A VERY VALID QUESTION.

AND RIGHT NOW, UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, ANYTIME A CALL FOR FIREWORKS THAT ARE BEING FIRED IN OUR CITY, OUR OFFICERS ARE GOING TO RESPOND.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF OFFICERS WORKING AT ANY GIVEN TIME FRAME, IF THERE ARE, IF THERE ARE FIREWORKS THAT ARE GOING OFF, HOWEVER MANY CALLS YOU'RE GETTING, OFFICERS ARE GOING TO INVESTIGATE AND INQUIRE ABOUT THOSE THINGS. AND I JUST WANT TO QUALIFY IT.

FIRST, WE SUPPORT AND VALUE CELEBRATION.

WE THINK THAT THERE ARE.

THROUGH EXPERIENCES, LIMITATIONS THAT GO ON CERTAIN TYPES OF CELEBRATIONS THAT WE DO FOR THE SAFETY AND THE WELLNESS OF ALL.

SO WHEN WE HAVE SITUATIONS AND SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE IF WE PASS THIS ORDINANCE AND WE EXEMPT NON AERIAL.

SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED AND WE'VE BEEN PREPARED FOR ARE THOSE CONCERNS WHERE PEOPLE MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE AND THEY SAY, WELL, WE HEAR THAT THERE ARE FIREWORKS ALLOWED AND SO FIREWORKS ARE ALLOWED UNTIL OFFICERS GO AND RESPOND.

AND IF FIREWORKS ARE BEING POPPED IN THE BACKYARD, IF YOU'VE GOT BLACK CATS GOING OFF AND THE NEIGHBORS HEARING THOSE THINGS, ARE THEY ABLE TO DELINEATE BETWEEN WHAT'S AERIAL AND WHAT'S NOT AND HOW HIGH IS AERIAL? AND SO NOW WHAT HAPPENS TYPICALLY IS ANYTIME OUR OFFICERS ARE GETTING THOSE CALLS, THE PRIORITY OF RESPONSES ARE MEASURED.

AND IT AND THEN WE'RE DETERMINING WHAT CALLS DO WE GO TO IF WE'VE GOT THIS CALL WAITING.

AND WE'RE CLOSE TO THIS CALL ABOUT THE FIREWORKS.

NOW WE'RE HAVING TO DIVERT TO THESE. SO IT DOES ADD AN ADDITIONAL RESPONSE CHALLENGE FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS. THE NEXT QUESTION OPINION.

AND AS WRITTEN, DO YOU FAVOR THIS ORDINANCE? THIS TIME AS THE POLICE CHIEF AND AS A PUBLIC SAFETY EXPERT.

I DO NOT, FROM MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, FAVOR THIS ORDINANCE.

THANK YOU. I'LL HAVE TO SAY THAT I CONCUR WITH OUR POLICE CHIEFS, OUR FIRE MARSHAL, AND OUR FIRE CHIEF.

AND I WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR THIS ORDINANCE.

AND AND THANK YOU FOR THAT.

TO YOUR FOR THE QUESTIONS AND TO YOUR POINT, WHETHER WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE OR NOT IN PLACE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME PEOPLE IN A COMMUNITY THAT ARE GOING TO DO THAT ANYWAY.

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AND SO THAT IS WHAT TRIGGERS US GOING OUT.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THROUGH EDUCATION, SPEAKING TO THEM AND TRYING TO GET THEM THROUGH VERBAL WARNINGS.

AND IF ALL ELSE FAILS, WE WRITE CITATIONS AND THAT SO THAT THAT GIVES US THAT. BUT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT I THINK PEOPLE TEND TO OVERLOOK, ESPECIALLY IF WE OPEN THE BOX FOR IT AND SAY LATER WE DECIDE NOT TO DO IT.

NOW, HOW DO POLICE GO AND REIN THAT IN? BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK PEOPLE MISS IS THE TRAUMATIC IMPACT THAT IT HAS ON VETERANS.

WE HAVE MANY VETERANS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND SOME OF THOSE DAYS ARE SOME OF THEIR HARDEST DAYS, AS WELL AS ANIMALS WHO ARE WHO ARE SUBJECTED TO THE LOUD NOISES AND THE BANGS. SO IF WE OPEN THAT OPPORTUNITY UP FOR MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, THE QUESTION NOW BECOMES, HOW DO WE LIMIT THE SCOPE OF THAT FROM WHAT IS AERIAL AND WHAT'S NON AERIAL AND HOW WE CAN ALLOW FINDING THAT BALANCE I THINK IS A CHALLENGE. CHIEF I OH SORRY.

I CONCUR AND I THINK IT WAS FIRE CHIEF THAT SAID ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE GO IN AND BUY A BUNDLE OF THIS. BUT NOW THIS BUNDLE INCLUDES ALL THESE OTHER THINGS I'M THINKING ABOUT. THE WORD GETS OUT. HUDDLE.

CITY LIMITS IS FAIR GAME.

WE'VE NOW OPENED UP A 25 MILE RADIUS FOR EVERYONE TO COME HERE TO POP FIREWORKS LEGALLY. WE'VE HAD THE SAME DISCUSSION.

I DEFER CHIEF, LOOKING AT THIS ITEM WHENEVER IT CAME, I WAS A LITTLE SHOCKED BECAUSE IN DOING MY RESEARCH, MUCH TO FIRE MARSHAL WOODS, I DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF TEXAS CITIES LIFTING A BAN ON FIREWORKS. LOOKING OVER THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED BY FIRE MARSHAL WOODS AND CHIEF CURWOOD, THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THAT.

YOU KNOW, I'M SEEING A LOT OF A LOT OF RESIDENTS AND YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT THE LIST, I'M SEEING A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY, I COULD THINK OF ONE HOUSE FIRE THAT WAS RESPONDED TO BY HUDDLE FIRE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS IT WAS SOMETHING I DIDN'T WANT TO EXPERIENCE FOR MY FAMILY.

AND SO LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCE, I THINK YOU'RE COMPLETELY CORRECT. YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN CONSTITUTES AS AERIAL? HOW HIGH CAN IT GO? OH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT FUNDING.

FROM WHAT I'M SEEING IN OUR BUDGET PROCESS, WE'RE NOT FUNDING FOR OFFICERS.

SO TAKING OFFICERS AWAY TO RESPOND TO MULTIPLE CALLS ABOUT FIREWORKS AND PROVIDING THAT EDUCATION WHEN UPON ARRIVAL BECAUSE HUTTO POLICE DEPARTMENT IS VERY EDUCATIONAL BEFORE ACTION, WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATE BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTS THAT NEED THAT EDUCATION.

AND IF THEY KNEW THAT, THEY WOULDN'T BE DOING THE THINGS THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, WERE DOING. AND SO HAVING OFFICERS RESPOND, OFFICERS THAT ARE IN SHORT SUPPLY.

PROVIDING EDUCATION BUT THEN BEING CALLED TO ANOTHER SITE FOR THE SAME ISSUE.

I COULD SEE THAT BECOMING A HUGE CATASTROPHE IN OUR TOWN.

SO FOR THAT, WITH THE INFORMATION COUPLED PROVIDED BY CHIEF WOODS AND CHIEF KERWOOD I WON'T BE VOTING FOR THIS.

AND I THANK YOU. ALL THREE OF YOU GENTLEMEN, ALL FOUR OF YOU GENTLEMEN, FOR PROVIDING YOUR INPUT AND YOUR EXPERTISE IN THIS.

AS WE AS CHIEF KERWOOD SAID, WE ARE UP HERE TO ENSURE PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND I DON'T SEE THIS AS BEING RESPONSIBLE STEWARDS OF PUBLIC SAFETY IN THE CITY OF HUTTO. SO THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

YES, SIR. AND TO YOUR POINT, AGAIN, WE SUPPORT AND UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE WANT TO CELEBRATE AND HOW THEY HOW THEY WANT TO CELEBRATE IN THAT MANNER.

BUT ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I ALWAYS CAUTION PEOPLE.

THINGS SEEM SAFE UNTIL THEY'RE NOT AND WHEN THEY'RE NOT.

WHAT IS THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT INNOCENT ACT? AND THEN SOMETIMES YOU'LL GET THOSE THAT MAY NOT BE SO INNOCENT.

TIMES HAVE CHANGED. CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE CHANGED.

THERE WAS A TIME WHEN WE USED TO POP BLACK CAT FIREWORKS IN OUR FINGERS.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU LEARN FROM THAT.

AND THERE WERE TIMES WHEN YOU'D FIRE THINGS IN THE AIR, OR YOU'D USE THE JUMPERS, WHICH SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT CONSIDER TO BE AERIAL BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING THAT HIGH.

BUT A FAMILY MEMBER OF MINE SET A FIELD ON FIRE WITH ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU LEARN FROM POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE EXPERIENCES, AND YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATIONS ON WHAT'S BEST FOR A COMMUNITY LIKE OURS.

THANK YOU, CHIEF, AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY FOR COMING TO THIS.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS. SO YOU HAD 104 CALLS IN 2024 AND 61 IN 2025.

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HOW MANY TICKETS? WHEN THERE'S A CALL.

HALL. WHAT MAKES A PERSON GET A TICKET AND WHAT MAKES THEM NOT GET A TICKET? LIKE IF WE LOOKED IT UP, THERE HAVE BEEN 104 TICKETS ISSUED IN 2024.

THERE WERE THERE WERE 104 CALLS OUT OF THAT.

I THINK IT WAS APPROXIMATELY SIX CITATIONS FOR THOSE THAT REFUSED TO COMPLY.

BUT SO ON THE ON THE ORDINANCE, IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY.

RIGHT. IF YOU'RE SHOOTING THEM OFF, YOU BROKE THE LAW, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T YOU CAN WRITE A CITATION.

BUT IF YOU'VE GOT A TEN YEAR OLD KID STANDING OUT IN FRONT OF THEIR FAMILY AND THAT WAS THE INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS DOING IT, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO WRITE, YOU KNOW, HEY, LOOK, YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS HERE.

AND IF WE'RE SORRY, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IT'S IN A LOT OF WAYS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE DAYS OF CELEBRATION.

WE DEFINITELY LOOK AT IT LIKE WE'RE POLICING OUR FAMILY.

AND, YOU KNOW, COMING OUT OF THE CAR WITH YOUR TICKET BOOK AND WRITING THIS PERSON A CITATION BECAUSE THEIR 12 YEAR OLD WAS WAS CELEBRATING MAY NOT ALWAYS BE THE BEST APPROACH. SOMETIMES IT IS, BUT OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO EDUCATE PEOPLE AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO REALIZE THE IMPLICATIONS OF IT AND HOW IT'S NOT ALLOWED HERE.

AND SOME PEOPLE WE'VE WE'VE APPROACHED THAT SIMPLY DID NOT KNOW THEY WERE NEW TO HUTTO AND DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS A VIOLATION.

SO THE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY IS SOMETHING THAT WE USE AS THE DRIVER TO GET PEOPLE TO COMPLY. SURE. SO I SHARE ALL Y'ALL'S CONCERNS.

I ACTUALLY HAD A FRIEND, THE POPPERS, WHO'S ACTUALLY A I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL HIM. THERE'S ANOTHER POPPER A LITTLE BIT STRONGER. IT'S IN A STYROFOAM CONTAINER. AND WHEN THEY FIRST CAME OUT, THEY PUT THEM IN A FISHBOWL AND EVERYBODY WAS COMING IN AND KIDS WERE GRABBING HANDFULS OF THEM AND THEY SOUND LIKE BLACK CATS.

AND THEN I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD THE GIRL WAS.

BUT MY FRIEND'S NIECE WENT IN TO GRAB A HANDFUL AND IT WENT OFF.

BUT BECAUSE IT WAS A GIANT BOWL, IT IT BLEW THE CABINETS OFF THE WALLS.

IT BLEW THE GLASS OUT OF SLIDING GLASS DOOR.

AND SHE LOST HER HAND AND WAS SEVERELY INJURED.

THAT WAS ON A PAUPER. SO I'M TOTALLY BEHIND EVERYTHING WHERE THIS STARTED AND I'M NOT.

I NEVER MIND BRINGING AN ITEM UP BECAUSE TO ME, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE LAWS ON THE BOOK AND WE SAY, WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENS. THIS GUY SAID MAYOR SNYDER, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE CITY ORDINANCE MAKING UNLAWFUL USE OF FIREWORKS DURING THE JULY 4TH AND THE NEW YEAR EVE.

CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE HISTORY BEHIND THIS EXTREMELY PROHIBITIVE LAW? I WAS SURPRISED WHEN I FOUND THIS OUT.

HAVING COME FROM OUT OF STATE WHERE NO SUCH PROHIBITION EXISTED.

AND WHAT I SAID WAS, THANKS FOR EMAILING.

I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG IT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS, BUT OTHER THAN THIS YEAR, WE TYPICALLY HAVE GONE SINCE MID-MAY WITHOUT RAIN, AND THE FIRE HAZARD HAS BEEN TOO GREAT OF A RISK.

WHEN I MOVED HERE, I THOUGHT THE SAME THING.

HAVING GROWN UP IN MISSOURI, WE HAD SEVERAL COMMUNITIES WHERE FIREWORKS ARE LEGAL. BUT THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT OUR AREA IS THAT THE HOMES ARE BUILT MUCH CLOSER TOGETHER THAN THEY WERE IN MISSOURI. SOME OF OUR HOMES ARE TEN FEET APART. SO FOR ME, WITH HOW CLOSE OUR HOMES ARE BUILT IN A CONSTANT DROUGHT, FIRE ISSUES WE DEAL WITH EACH SUMMER.

IT'S NEVER REALLY COME UP AS HAVING VERY MANY PEOPLE WANTING IT CHANGED.

HAVE YOU LOOKED AT REVISIONS? THAT'S WHEN THEY SAID, HEY, BASICALLY THEY FIND UNBELIEVABLE WE CAN'T DO A SPARKLER. AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, I HEAR YOU THERE.

BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, SPARKLER AND THE NEXT GUY AND THE NEXT GUY AND ALL THAT, AND THERE'S SOME SPARKLERS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, FOUR FEET LONG. YES.

BUT THE PROBLEM I HAVE EACH YEAR AND IT'S NOT I'M NOT FAULTING YOU ALL BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO FUND YOU GUYS TO HAVE 100 PEOPLE ON DUTY.

YES. BUT WE HEARD FROM CHIEF WOODS.

IT'S LIKE A WAR ZONE IN SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND SO WE'RE GIVEN SIX CITATIONS OUT.

AND I DON'T MIND BEING THE PARTY GUY, AND I DON'T MIND ARGUING WITH ANYBODY AND BEING THE BAD GUY, AND I KIND OF RELISH IT, IF YOU WILL.

BUT I THINK SOMETHING WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING AS A CITY.

IF WE'RE GOING TO BAN THEM, YOU GOT TO BAN THEM.

YOU CAN'T BAN THEM AND EDUCATE AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE KIDS USING DRUGS.

I MEAN, IF YOU SEE A 14 YEAR OLD DOING AN ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE, DO YOU EDUCATE THEM OR DO YOU? YOU BROKE THE LAW, AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES. SO I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT I HEAR FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE EACH YEAR IS NOBODY FOLLOWS THE RULES AND THE POLICE AREN'T DOING ENOUGH. I THINK THE ISSUE IS THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE DOING THEM.

WE CAN'T POLICE IT ALL.

SO WHEN I HEAR THAT THERE'S FIRES AND ALL THAT, I DOWNPLAY SOME OF THAT BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THAT'S AERIAL, BUT I DON'T DISMISS IT.

BUT I'M LIKE LIKE COUNCILMAN THOMPSON SAID, WE HAD A HOUSE CATCH ON FIRE, BUT IT'S ILLEGAL. SO I DON'T CARE IF WE MAKE THEM LEGAL OR NOT.

WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS HOW IS IT COMMUNITY? DO WE JUST NOT HAVE THEM? THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP SELLING THEM ACROSS THE CITY LINE.

I DON'T WANT YOU COMING OUT AND SAYING, HEY, I NEED, YOU KNOW, 50FT BECAUSE YOU GUYS SAID NO FIREWORKS. THERE'S NONE.

BUT I THINK AT SOME POINT WE PUT UP SIGNS EVERYWHERE.

I THINK AT SOME POINT WE GOT TO HAVE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LIKE A CITIZENS ON PATROL AND THEY'RE ABLE TO COME AND DO THE SAME THING.

BUT TO ME, WE HAVE TO BE MORE ENFORCEMENT OF THE SITUATION BECAUSE AGAIN, RIGHT NOW PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT MY DOGS GOING CRAZY.

I GIVE MY DOGS SEDATIVES AND I'M LIKE, I KNOW THEY'RE ILLEGAL, BUT WHAT DO YOU DO?

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AND YOU CALL THE POLICE? AND I'M LIKE, MEANWHILE, I WON'T SAY HOW MANY OF YOU ARE WORKING ON THIS SHIFT, BUT YOU'RE WORKING ON A SHIFT.

THERE'S DUIS GOING ON BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE DON'T DO THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, SOBER. SO THEY'RE DRINKING, THEY'RE DRIVING, YOU GOT THE REGULAR STUFF GOING ON.

AND SO I'M LIKE BUT ANYWAY, I ALWAYS AM WILLING TO BRING STUFF UP BECAUSE TO ME, IT'S EASY TO GO BACK TO PEOPLE AND SAY, WE HAD A DISCUSSION AND THE DISCUSSION WE'RE NOT WILLING TO CHANGE IT. BUT IN FACT, BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT THE DISCUSSION UP, WHAT I'M HOPING IS THE COUNCIL WANTS TO ENFORCE A LITTLE BIT HARDER, SCREW THE THE SCREWS A LITTLE BIT TIGHTER AND REALLY MAKE IT BE KNOWN.

BECAUSE I KNOW SOME NEIGHBORHOODS ARE WAR ZONES. THEY INVITE ME OVER THERE AND I'M LIKE, THERE'S NO WAY IN HELL I'M GOING TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

BECAUSE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE POLICE PULLED UP AND SAW ME SITTING THERE ENJOYING MYSELF, WATCHING A FIREWORKS SHOW THAT WAS ILLEGAL? THAT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK TO YOUR POINT, MARY, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND I WANT I WANT TO QUALIFY IT AND PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE TOO, WHEN IT COMES TO THE SIX CITATIONS.

ONE THING THAT PEOPLE MAY NOT REALIZE WHEN THEY HEAR THAT NUMBER, THEY'RE THINKING, WELL, POLICE AREN'T DOING ANYTHING. THE REALITY IS, NOT ONLY ARE WE HAVING TO GET THE CALL, BUT WE'RE HAVING TO CATCH THEM DOING IT.

BECAUSE IF WE IF WE GET THERE AND THEY'RE NOT DOING IT ANYMORE, NUMBER ONE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO DID IT. YOU JUST KNOW THAT IT HAPPENED THERE. AND MANY TIMES WHEN YOU'RE THERE AND YOU YOU REALIZE THAT NO ONE THAT YOU CAN'T IDENTIFY WHO WAS DOING IT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T CATCH THEM IN THE ACT, THEN YOU HEAR TWO STREETS OVER. NOW THE OFFICERS ARE DIVERTING TO THERE.

SO OUT OF THE THE 100 PLUS CALLS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN ABOUT, THAT THERE WERE SELF-INITIATED RESPONSES THAT OFFICERS MADE AS WELL.

BUT AGAIN, WHEN IT'S GOING OFF SO RAMPANT OR IF IT'S GOING OFF IN THE BACKYARD, YOUR PERCENTAGE OF CATCHING THOSE PEOPLE ACTUALLY DOING IT DIMINISHES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY SEE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMING DOWN THE STREETS AND PEOPLE DISPERSE OR THEY THEY CLUSTER. AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THE WHO THE ACTUAL PERSON WAS.

SO IT MAKES IT VERY CHALLENGING FOR POLICE TO DETERMINE WHO IS THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR ACTUALLY IGNITING THAT, THAT THAT FIREWORK.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE NEED TO CONSIDER AS WELL.

JUST FOR ME, LESS EDUCATION.

WHEN YOU CATCH A PERSON, IF IT'S A TEN YEAR OLD KID, YOU TICKET THE PARENTS. I MEAN NO DIFFERENT. RATHER THAN IF A TEN YEAR OLD KID GOT AN OPEN CONTAINER, YOU DON'T SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR KID DRINKING A BEER LIKE THAT. YOU'RE LIKE, NO, YOU'RE GETTING A TICKET. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR. I THINK SOMETIMES THERE'S THERE'S TIMES TO BE NICE, LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS, BUT 60 MILES AN HOUR IN A 45 OR WHATEVER.

WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT ON EDGE ANYMORE.

BUT THEN I THINK THERE'S TIMES LIKE THIS. THE ONLY OTHER THING I'D SAY IS WE HAD THIS ORDINANCE POP UP. SOME BOY SCOUTS WANTED TO SHOOT OFF SOME MODEL ROCKETS.

AND IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, JAMES.

RIGHT, THIS ORDINANCE PROHIBITED THAT.

AND SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING I'D LIKE, CHANGE IN IT.

IT SAID THE CITY MANAGER CAN APPROVE CERTAIN THINGS BECAUSE, AS I UNDERSTAND, THE CITY MANAGER CAN APPROVE THEM SHOOTING OFF BOTTLE ROCKETS AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY WENT. THEY WENT RIGHT OUTSIDE THE ETJ OR YOU KNOW, THAT.

SO LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T NECESSARILY MIND.

SPARKLERS WENT OFF, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S A SPARKLER TODAY.

AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU GOT SOME GUY GOING, IT'S A SMOKE BOMB.

AND THEN BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, IT'S I LET OFF THE THE CORONA FIREWORKS DISPLAY, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS I THOUGHT I WAS IN THE COUNTY, I DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER. SO I DO GET ALL THAT AND MAYOR JUST JUST FOR CLARITY, YOU SAID MODEL ROCKETS, THE KIND LIKE YOU CRAFT A MODEL ROCKET AND THEY SHOOT IT UP AND IT HAS A LITTLE PARACHUTE AND COMES DOWN. NOT NOT BOTTLE ROCKET. NO. NO MODEL. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN ON LEAVE, BUT THERE'S A BOY SCOUT TROOP. THEY'RE WORKING ON THEIR ROCKET. OH. I'M TRACKING.

YEAH, I DID THAT WHEN I WAS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL.

SAME THING. THEY WANT TO SHOOT THEM OFF AT ADAM OR GAIN.

THEY HAD THE PERMIT TO DO IT. EVERYTHING WAS GOOD. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, SOMEONE. I THINK IT WAS JEFF SAID, OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE FORGOT? YOU CAN'T SHOOT OFF ANYTHING AERIAL.

AND THEY'RE LIKE, YOU CAN'T SHOOT OFF A BOTTLE ROCKET. AND I WAS LIKE, NO, IT'S AGAINST THE LAW. AND SO YEAH, THAT'D BE FINE WITH ME.

A LITTLE THING LIKE THAT WHERE I'M LIKE, IF YOU SEE IT LIKE LIKE YOU GUYS ARE. AND USUALLY THEY CONTACT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE YOU SEE THESE THINGS AND, HEY, CAN YOU HAVE SOMEONE CLOSE BY OR HEADS UP, WE'RE GOING TO BE SHOOTING THESE OFF.

BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING IS I JUST WANT EVERYBODY I KNOW SOMETIMES PEOPLE BRING THIS STUFF UP AND YOU GO, YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE'S A REASON WE DON'T ALLOW CERTAIN THINGS. IT'S A DISCUSSION.

AND THEN WE CAN REINFORCE WITH THE PUBLIC AND THEN MAYBE GIVE YOU THE RESOURCES TO BE MORE FORCEFUL YOU KNOW, ON IT.

MAYOR. LET ME DO YOU. YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING, AND I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED IT.

AND THAT'S ON THE EDUCATION FROM AS FAR AS SIGNAGE.

AND WE'VE WORKED WITH OPD FOR YEARS AND YEARS.

WE GO OUT AND WE PUT SIGNS OUT PRIOR TO THE NEW YEAR PRIOR TO 4TH OF JULY.

WE GET THEM OUT. THAT'S YOU GUYS PUTTING THEM OUT. WE PUT THOSE OUT.

OH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS CITY STAFF.

WELL THANK YOU. WE WE'VE BEEN TAKING THE CREDIT FOR ALL THAT TIME. OH, YEAH. OKAY. SO WE'RE CUTTING HIS BUDGET.

WE'RE GOING TO THROW SOME MONEY TOWARDS. YOU KNOW WHO?

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YEAH. SO SO NO, BUT CITY PROVIDE CITY PROVIDES THOSE WHEN THEY WHEN THEY ARE, WE REPLENISH THEM. BUT HERE'S SOMETHING INTERESTING ABOUT THAT IS WE'LL PUT THOSE OUT. WE'LL GO TO NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE'LL PUT THEM OUT.

YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED AT THE NUMBER OF SIGNS THAT DISAPPEAR, OR THEY GET PICKED UP AND THROWN INTO A DITCH.

WHAT DO WE DO? WE GO BACK, WE PICK THEM UP AGAIN.

NOW, WE'VE LEARNED OVER THE YEARS TO KEEP TRACK OF WHICH SUBDIVISIONS WE PUT THEM IN SO THAT THEY'RE NOT STILL UP THREE MONTHS LATER.

BUT THAT'S A PARTNERSHIP THAT WE'VE HAD WITH OPD OVER ALL THESE YEARS, AND THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO TO GET THAT EDUCATION PIECE OUT THERE. I APPRECIATE THAT.

WOULD BOTH OF YOU GUYS BE OKAY WITH THE CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWED THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN OFF ON? BASICALLY, THESE ARE THE RULES.

UNLESS THE CITY MANAGER SAYS OTHERWISE ON SOMETHING TO ALLOW SOMEONE TO SHOOT OFF SPECIFICALLY FOR A MODEL ROCKET.

WELL, I MEAN, IN MY MIND, HE'S NOT GOING TO LET SOMEONE SHOOT OFF A FIREWORKS SHOW IN THE FRONT YARD. BUT I WOULD ASK THAT WE INVOLVE THE FIRE MARSHAL IN THAT, SINCE HE'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE CODES, BECAUSE THERE'S A SEPARATE MODEL ROCKET CODE VERSUS THE ORDINANCE, AND WE WOULD WANT TO READ IN DETAIL WHETHER OR NOT IT DOES IN THE FIREWORKS ORDINANCE, ADDRESS MODEL ROCKETS OR AERIAL FIREWORKS.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN I'M READING IT AND IT DOESN'T INCLUDE IT DOESN'T SAY MODEL ROCKETS WHEN IT DEFINES FIREWORKS, IT DEFINES IT.

IT SAYS SKYROCKETS WHICH.

BUT AGAIN IT'S REALLY IT SAYS BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT INCLUDES ARTICLES OR SUBSTANCES, TYPICALLY CALLED A FIREWORK.

MODEL ROCKETS AREN'T TYPICALLY REFERRED TO AS FIRE. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT OUR ORDINANCE TODAY ACTUALLY PROHIBITS MODEL ROCKETS.

AND THERE ARE PARTICULAR NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION CODES, NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION THAT GOVERN FIREWORKS AND THOSE THAT GOVERN MODEL ROCKETS. SO WITH MODEL ROCKETS, YOU JUST HAVE THE THE ROCKET ENGINE THAT IGNITES TO TO SHOOT IT STRAIGHT UP.

SO IF THERE WAS A CHANGE UPON CITY MANAGER'S APPROVAL AND THE FIRE MARSHAL SIGN OFF ON THE PERMIT APPLICATION, THEN THAT WOULD MAKE IT OKAY FOR YOU GUYS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEN IF HE DID GET OUTSIDE OF WHAT HE SHOULD BE DOING, THE SECOND PART IS HFD HAS TO SIGN OFF ON IT TOO.

AND IF THEY DON'T SIGN OFF ON IT, YOU DON'T GET A PERMIT. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT IT'S OKAY UNTIL I ASK THE FIRE MARSHAL TO LOOK AT IT, AND THEN HE CAN MAKE THE CHANGE.

I'M. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M NOT RECOMMENDING TO GO FORWARD WITH THE CHANGE UNTIL THE FIRE MARSHAL. DO YOU MIND INPUT FIRE MARSHAL.

SOMEONE ELSE SAID CHIEF. I CALLED HIM BEFORE, BUT IF WE MADE A CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE THAT ANY VARIANCES ORDINANCE HAD TO BE SIGNED OFF BY THE CITY MANAGER AND YOUR OFFICE HAD TO APPROVE IT. I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO IT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY, TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU.

I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE BOY SCOUT MODEL ROCKET THING.

I ACTUALLY APPROVED THAT PERMIT FOR ADAM OR GAME PARK BECAUSE I INTERPRET MODEL ROCKETS DIFFERENT FROM FIREWORKS, AND SO DOES OTHER PARTS OF THE FIRE CODE.

SO I DIDN'T EVEN THINK I DIDN'T EVEN PUT THEM IN THAT CATEGORY.

I MADE THE BOY SCOUTS PROVIDE ME ALL THE REQUIRED INFORMATION.

WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU DOING? WHAT ARE THE PROPELLANT PROPELLANTS? WHAT ARE THE AMOUNTS YOU'RE USING? THINGS OF THAT NATURE DETERMINE THAT'S NOT A FIREWORK.

THAT'S THAT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE CATEGORY.

SO IT DOESN'T EVEN, IN MY OPINION, FALL UNDER THAT MODEL ROCKET OR THE THE FIREWORKS ORDINANCE. IT'S IT'S COMPLETE DIFFERENT ANIMAL.

I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY.

WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE TO.

YEAH. MAYOR COUNCIL DWAYNE JONES, ASSISTANT CHIEF, THAT PART OF THAT ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO ABOUT THE MODEL ROCKETS, I'M 99% SURE IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE THAT RESTRICTS RESTRICTS STUFF LIKE THAT.

IT'S NOT THE FIRE ONE. CORRECT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ALSO, BUT GO AHEAD COUNCIL I'M GOING TO SAY THAT WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL BE WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO IF THERE IS A WAIVER ASKED BY CITY MANAGER AND STAFF WOULD WOULD FIRE MARSHAL AND OR HPD WANT TO BE NOTIFIED REAL TIME OF THOSE EVENTS. OKAY.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED.

THAT WAY I COULD I COULD MAKE ALL OUR STAFF AWARE THAT THAT'S GOING ON.

THE FOLKS ON DUTY. I CAN HAVE MY INSPECTORS BECAUSE BEFORE, I'LL ALLOW ANYBODY TO DO ANY OF THAT, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS OR FIREWORKS DISPLAYS, MY INSPECTORS GOT TO GO AND VERIFY THEY HAVE ALL THEIR SAFETY PRECAUTIONS IN PLACE AND ALL

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OUR REQUIREMENTS ARE MET.

SO I ABSOLUTELY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT.

AND THEN FOR THE PROPELLANTS, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT REVIEWING IT THROUGH THE ROCKETRY ROCKETRY CODE OR WHATEVER IT IS, IT LOOKS AT TYPES OF PROPELLANT LIQUID OR SOLID AND VOLUME OF PROPELLANT.

CORRECT. YES, THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT.

YOU GUYS KNOW MORE THAN I DO. I JUST BUT IN IN A NUTSHELL.

YES. OKAY. SURE. THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. PORTERFIELD.

YEAH. SO, CHIEF YARBOROUGH, I'LL DIRECT THIS TO YOU.

I DON'T KNOW IF I REALLY NEED FEEDBACK, BUT SO I'M CRUNCHING NUMBERS HERE, AND I'M LOOKING AT EVERYTHING. BECAUSE I DO WANT TO COMMEND YOU, BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WHERE, BUT I'VE BEEN IN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN WALKIE TALKIES, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW WHERE THE POLICE OFFICER WAS TO TO PLAY THE CAT AND MOUSE GAME.

YES, SIR. IT HAPPENS. I'LL BE HONEST, I DON'T THINK WHETHER WE VOTE FOR THIS OR DENY THIS ANYTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE.

BUT I DO WANT TO SAY AND COMMEND YOUR STAFF WHEN I CRUNCH THE NUMBERS.

WE HAVE 20 FOR 20, 2024.

WE HAD 24 CALLS AT NEW YEAR'S.

WE HAD 19 CALLS THAT WERE ON NON LEGAL DATES ANYWAY.

SO THOSE PEOPLE JUST THEY'RE GOING TO BREAK THE LAW ANYWAY.

YES SIR. AND THEN YOU HAD 61 AT JULY 4TH.

NOW I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE ONLY THROUGH JULY FOR, FOR 2025, BUT YOU ONLY HAD 40 CALLS ON JULY 4TH HOLIDAY THIS YEAR, WHICH IS A 35% REDUCTION IN CALLS JUST FOR THAT HOLIDAY.

SO AGAIN, I, I'M IN FAVOR BASED ON MY CONSTITUENTS, WHICH IS WHERE MY LOYALTY LIES, THAT WE SHOULD DO THIS.

BUT WHETHER WE DO IT OR NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO CHANGE.

AND I THINK YOU AND YOUR TEAM AND AC JONES, NEED TO KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING BECAUSE I THINK IT'S HELPING. I AGREE WITH MAYOR SCHNEIDER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE CITATIONS, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, INCREASING THOSE, BUT IT IS HARD TO CATCH PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE READY IN THERE, BUDDY. YOU KNOW? YES, SIR.

HEY, GO AHEAD AND SHOOT YOURS OFF. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU CAN'T CATCH EM.

BUT I KNOW YOU GUYS KNOW.

IN MY MIND, YOU GUYS OUGHT TO HAVE SOME UNDERCOVER GUYS JUST DRIVING IN A REGULAR CAR, DRIVING DOWN THE STREET.

BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU, ONCE YOU DO THAT, NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT ONCE YOU DO SOME THINGS LIKE THAT, THE WALKIE TALKIE GAME GOES OUT THE WINDOW BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, HEY, MAN, I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE. I SAW A WHITE CUTLASS COME BY AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS MY FRIEND AND TURNED OUT, NO, THIS COP JUMPED OUT, AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, I GOT TWO TICKETS FOR WHATEVER THEY ARE.

SO I'M DONE WITH THAT. AND I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO GO AROUND AND NECESSARILY WRITE CITATIONS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AN EIGHT YEAR OLD KID IS HOLDING A SPARKLER, AND THE DAD'S STANDING THERE AND EVERYBODY'S SMILING AND HAVING A GOOD TIME. I KNOW ULTIMATELY YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, THE BIG FIREWORKS. YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY CONCERNED WITH WHAT THE.

YOU KNOW, THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE MARSHAL ARE WORRIED ABOUT, WHICH IS HOUSE FIRES AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO I'M PERSONALLY IN FAVOR OF THIS BASED ON MY CONSTITUENTS, WHETHER WE APPROVE THIS OR NOT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO CHANGE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU AND YOUR TEAM ARE DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING BECAUSE IT IS WORKING.

YES. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST KNOW THAT THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE WITH WALKIE TALKIES, TOO. YES, SIR.

ABSOLUTELY. AND OUR ICU, OUR SPECIAL INVESTIGATIVE UNIT, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN NEIGHBORHOODS IN UNMARKED UNITS.

JUST SAYING MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE, BUT ONE OF THEM. ONE YEAR I THOUGHT THE ICE CREAM TRUCK WAS SELLING ICE CREAM. NEXT THING I KNOW, CHIEF YARBROUGH POPPED OUT AND GOT ME.

YES. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR THIS? AND I GUESS IT'S. YOU GUYS ALL AGREE YOU CAN SHOOT OFF MODEL ROCKETS ON THIS.

IT'S OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT THAT HAS THE DEAL.

AND WHAT'S REQUIRING THEM TO GET YOUR PERMIT? THERE'S NOTHING RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? THAT REQUIRES YOU GUYS. NOTHING FOR WHO? FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO SIGN OFF ON MODEL ROCKET SHOOTING, ORDINANCE WISE. IT'S. IT'S A SPECIAL PERMIT.

YES, BUT, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE CITY REQUIRING THAT, RIGHT? IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S A SPECIAL PERMIT, RIGHT, FOR THE GATHERING.

SO JUST LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PARADE OR WHATEVER ELSE.

THAT'S WHAT GETS THE FIRE MARSHAL INVOLVED IS THE IS THE PERMIT TO HAVE THE GATHERING OF PEOPLE TO GO DO THE THING. ME AND MY TWO BOYS GO TO SHOOT THEM OFF. TWO BOYS GO DO IT THEN.

THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED LEGAL.

THAT'S AGAINST THE THAT'S CURRENTLY AGAINST THE RULES ALTOGETHER.

I WOULD SAY THAT THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO BE AGAINST WHAT I'M SAYING.

SEE, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING CONFUSED. THEY'RE READING IT. YOU CAN SHOOT OFF ROCKETS. YOU'RE SAYING IT'S AGAINST THE RULES. IT'S AGAINST THE PARK RULE TO GO SHOOT IT OFF. I'M SAYING I SHOOT OFF, I'M STUPID.

I SHOOT A MODEL ROCKET OFF IN MY FRONT YARD.

THEN THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL. OKAY.

IT WAS ONLY BECAUSE IT WAS IN A PARK AND A PARK.

A CITY PARK. THE PARK.

THE SPECIAL? YEAH. THE PARKING CONTROLS, THE AERIAL TYPES OF THINGS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE OUT THERE NECESSARILY SHOOTING OFF STUFF INTO THE AIR.

SO THERE'S JEFF TO TELL YOU ALL ABOUT IT. HEY, JEFF WHITE, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. GOT IT. KILLS THE FUN.

YEAH. HE'S LIKE, THE FUN GUY KILLS THE FUN.

SO IN SECTION 18 .02.002 PROHIBITED ITEMS IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES.

SECTION F DOES STATE THAT IT'S A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR OFFENSE FOR ANY PERSON TO OPERATE OR CAUSE TO BE OPERATED ANY ELECTRIC OR INTERNAL COMBUSTION POWERED AIRCRAFT,

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WATER CRAFT, ROCKET OR MISSILE AND PUBLIC PARKS, PLAYING AREAS OR PUBLIC FACILITIES OR OTHER PUBLIC PROPERTIES.

REMOTE CONTROLLED VEHICLES ARE PERMITTED TO BE USED AS SPECIFIC, SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR SUCH RECREATIONAL PURPOSES, AND POSTED AS SUCH ACTIVITY IS PERMITTED.

SO THAT'S OUR CODE OF ORDINANCE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ENFORCING.

SO YOU CAN'T EVEN DO A DRONE IN A PARK WITHOUT WITHOUT PERMISSION.

YES. BUT IT DIDN'T SAY PERMISSION.

YOU HAD TO POST IT. BUT I THINK THERE'S A THERE'S AN ORDINANCE IN HERE. LOOK, LET ME GIVE ME A CHANCE.

IT'S IT'S OFF TOPIC. WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL BRING THAT ITEM BACK SO YOU AT LEAST HAVE THE POWER TO LET THE BOY SCOUT SHOOT A ROCKET OFF.

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT STARTED THIS.

IT WAS. WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT FIREWORKS, I THOUGHT THAT WAS WHAT WAS. YEAH. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO TO THAT CODE AND SAY UNLESS A APPROVED SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS OR, YOU KNOW, A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT IS APPROVED.

YEAH. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY 12.1 NUMBER ZERO.

DASH 2020 5-028A SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON, SECONDED BY. COUNCILMEMBER MORSE.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

NO. GO AHEAD. I WAS GOING TO SAY AGAIN, PASSING THIS OR DENYING THIS, PASSING THIS, IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THOUGH, THAT I, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE STATISTICS.

THERE'S 19 DEATHS ANNUALLY IN 2024.

IN A NATION OF 342 MILLION PEOPLE, WE HAVE 32,000 AUTOMOBILE DEATHS.

I THE SAFETY CONCERN TO ME, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT VALID BECAUSE, YEAH, SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET THEIR HAND HURT AND THAT SORT OF THING. PEOPLE WANT FIREWORKS, THEY WANT TO CELEBRATE. AND AND I'VE BEEN IN OTHER STATES WHERE IT'S ALLOWED, IT'S ENCOURAGED. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE, A LITTLE SILLY OF US TO DENY THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCILMEMBER GORDON.

HI. COUNCILMEMBER KING.

NAY. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE.

COUNCILMEMBER MORRIS. AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

AYE. COUNCILMEMBER. THOMPSON.

NAY. THAT'S 5 TO 2, RIGHT? YES, SIR. MOTION PASSES.

FIVE, TWO. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 11 ONE CONSIDERATION.

[11.1. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. 0-2025-027 amending Article 22.07.001 of the Code of Ordinances to revise the Code of Ordinances Section 22.07.001 Speed Limits and to establish a school zone on FM 1660 N near Main Hippo. (Matt Rector) ]

POSSIBLE ACTION. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 027, AMENDING ARTICLE 22.07 .001 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO REVISE THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, SECTION 22 .07.001 SPEED LIMITS AND TO ESTABLISH A SCHOOL ZONE ON FM 1660 NEAR MAIN HIPPO.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. FOR THE RECORD, MATT RICHTER, CITY ENGINEER.

SO THIS ALL STARTED WITH A REQUEST FROM THE ISD TO ADD A SCHOOL ZONE ON 1660 AND MAIN HIPPO FOR THEIR NEW SCHOOL CAMPUS.

ONCE I GOT THAT REQUEST, I FORWARDED IT ON TO TEXDOT AND TO WILLIAMSON COUNTY. SO BECAUSE SOME OF THE ROADS THAT ARE IMPACTED ARE WILLIAMSON COUNTY.

SOME OF THE ROADS ARE TEX DOT.

ONCE I FORWARDED IT ON TO TEX DOT, WE REALIZED THAT WE HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY EXPANDED OUR SPEED LIMIT ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE THIS PART OF 1660.

SO THE CITY'S GROWING PRETTY RAPIDLY, AND APPARENTLY WE FORGOT TO INCLUDE SOME STRETCHES OF ROAD THAT ARE NOW IN THE CITY LIMITS.

SO THE FIRST PART OF THE ORDINANCE CHANGE IS TO BASICALLY ADD THOSE SECTIONS OF 1660 AND ADD THE SPEED LIMITS PER TEX DOT'S REQUIREMENTS.

THAT'S PRETTY COMMON THROUGHOUT THE CITY. EVERYWHERE WE HAVE A SPEED LIMIT OTHER THAN THE PRIMA FACIE SPEED OF 30.

WE HAVE A SPEED LIMIT TABLE THAT SPECIFIES THOSE SPEED LIMITS.

AND MOST OF THOSE ROADS ARE TEX DOT ROADS.

AND SO TEX DOT HAS SENT OVER A REQUEST FOR US TO UPDATE OUR ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE THIS SECTION OF 1660. THE SECOND PART OF THE REQUEST WILL BE THAT WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT ONCE YOU'VE ONCE YOU'VE ADOPTED THAT SPEED LIMIT THAT WE LOOK AT SETTING A SCHOOL ZONE SPEED LIMIT FOR THIS SECTION OF 1660.

AND I DO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE SPEED.

TYPICALLY YOU SET IT AT 15 MILES AN HOUR BELOW THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT.

POSTED SPEED LIMIT IS CURRENTLY 55 MILES AN HOUR.

SO THAT WOULD PUT YOUR SPEED LIMIT IN YOUR SCHOOL ZONE AT 40. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU DROP IT DOWN TO 35, WHICH IS IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE ON LIKE CHRIS KELLY AND CARL STERN AREA. BUT THAT'S THE ORDINANCE THAT'S BEFORE YOU.

SO THE FIRST PART IN YOUR PACKET, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE UPDATED THE TABLE WITH THE SPEED LIMITS. THE SECOND PART WOULD BE TO SAY WHAT SCHOOL ZONE YOU ACTUALLY WANT IN THAT TABLE ONCE YOU ADOPT IT.

MATT. HOW WHAT WILL THE SPEED LIMIT AND HOURS OF ENFORCEMENT FOR THE NEW ZONE?

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WHAT WHAT WILL THOSE BE? SO THE SCHOOL HAS ASKED THAT WE HAVE A SPEED LIMIT OR A SCHOOL ZONE IN PLACE FROM I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. I BELIEVE IT WAS 730 TO 9 A.M., AND FROM 330 TO 5 P.M., I BELIEVE WAS THEIR REQUESTED TIMES THAT IT BE POSTED AT 330 TO 5.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY THEY ARE PLANNING ON HAVING THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SCHOOLS HERE.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ELEMENTARY, A HIGH SCHOOL AND A MIDDLE SCHOOL. ALL OF THEM HAVE DIFFERENT PICKUP AND DROP OFF TIMES, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A SLIGHTLY EXTENDED SCHOOL ZONE AND WINDOW. AND HOW WILL THE CITY COMMUNICATE THESE CHANGES TO DRIVERS? SO, WELL, FIRST WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS WERE ON BOARD WITH THIS.

ONCE YOU GUYS SAY GO FORWARD THE FIRST THING THAT WOULD HAPPEN WOULD BE TEXDOT WILL GO OUT THERE AND DO THE TEXDOT ROADS, AND TEXDOT TYPICALLY PUTS OUT SIGNAGE IN ADVANCE OF DOING ANY KIND OF CONSTRUCTION, SAYING CONSTRUCTION IS COMING.

CHANGES IN TRAFFIC PATTERNS ARE COMING AND THAT KIND OF THING. WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THEM EVERY STEP OF THE WAY BECAUSE ALL THIS REQUEST CAME TO ME ORIGINALLY.

AND SO WE WOULD ALSO BE TEAMING UP ANYTHING THAT TXDOT DOES WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM, SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF LET THE PUBLIC KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING.

SO TXDOT HAS ALREADY BEEN WORKING WITH YOU AS FAR AS GETTING EVERYTHING LINED UP? YES. OKAY. YES. THEY HAVE SEEN THE SAME MAP.

THAT'S WHAT STARTED ALL OF THIS CONVERSATION WITH TXDOT.

AND AS FAR AS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT GOES THAT THIS IS THIS IS HAPPENING.

THIS IS NOT PLANNING. THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING FORWARD.

CORRECT? THIS IS THEIR REQUEST.

SO WHEN I GOT IT, I ROUTED IT TO PD.

I ROUTE IT TO PUBLIC WORKS.

I SENT IT TO HUTTO ISD, PD, I SENT IT TO TXDOT AND I SENT IT TO WILLIAMSON COUNTY. TXDOT RESPONDED WITH THE HEY, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE OUR SPEED LIMITS ON YOUR ON THIS PART OF 1660.

SO YOU NEED TO DO THAT FIRST AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK WITH THE SCHOOL ZONES.

THEY'RE ON BOARD WITH PUTTING THE SCHOOL ZONE SIGNS OUT. THE ONES ON MAIN HIPPO WOULD BE DONE BY THE ISD, ASSUMING THAT WE APPROVE THEM, AND THEN THE SIGNS THAT ARE ON THE COUNTY ROAD.

I'M STILL TRYING TO COORDINATE THAT WITH THE COUNTY ENGINEER. OKAY, SO THE SIGN, THE SIGNAGE THAT'S NOT YET BUTTONED UP AS FAR AS WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THAT.

CORRECT. IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD YOU SAYING? FOR THE MOST PART, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE SIGNS, YOU SEE WOULD BE PAID FOR BY THE ISD.

OKAY. AND THEN WHAT? WHAT RESPONSIBILITY WOULD THE CITY WOULD FALL ON THE CITY FOR THIS? SO WE REVIEW EVERYTHING, AND THEN WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING IT. OKAY. AND DO WE KNOW THOSE MAINTENANCE COSTS ARE THOSE.

I MEAN, I'M ASKING YOU TO BE A LITTLE PREDICTIVE, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR IF HE HAS GENERAL IDEAS ON HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO MAINTAIN THE STRIPING AND SIGNAGE. I'D BE LYING IF I GAVE YOU A NUMBER.

OKAY. NO, I APPRECIATE THE DUE DILIGENCE DONE AND ESPECIALLY THE, THE OVERSIGHT TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE NEEDED TO DO THIS PRIOR TO, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THE SPEED LIMIT FOR THE SCHOOL SPECIFICALLY AND COMPLETELY SUPPORT THE THE HOURS OF ENFORCEMENT.

AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 11.1 NUMBER ZERO DASH 2025 027 MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON TO HAVE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND.

GO AHEAD. OKAY. SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION YOU WANT.

I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION ON THE ON THE TIMES THAT SO THE MORNING TIME WOULD BE 730 TO 9, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, AND THE AFTERNOON WOULD BE TO 330.

I THINK IT WAS 330 TO 5.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS IT.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

PORTERFIELD. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

KING. AYE. MAYOR. SNYDER.

AYE. AIRPORT. TEM. THORNTON.

AYE. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

ONE ONE ITEM FOR CLARIFICATION.

WERE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THE 35 MILE AN HOUR SPEED IN THE SCHOOL ZONE? THAT WASN'T SPECIFICALLY. I MEAN, ISN'T THAT IS THAT ISN'T THAT STANDARD OR IS IT 20? SO ON MAIN HIPPO BECAUSE IT'S A SLOWER SPEED, IT WOULD BE 20. BUT ON ON 1660, TYPICALLY THEY WOULD SAY ABOUT A 15 MILE AN HOUR REDUCTION, BUT IT'S 55 MILES AN HOUR.

SO THAT PUTS IT DOWN TO 40. I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU GO DOWN TO 35.

I AGREE. I AGREE WITH THAT.

I AGREE. OH TWO AND 12 FOUR IS LEFT.

OKAY. THANKS. THANKS, MATT.

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THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 12 TWO CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATING TO A

[12.2. Consideration and possible action relating to a Memorandum of Understanding between the City and MA Partners, including but not limited to the following topics: Fishing in the Co-Op, Veterans Memorial Maintenance, City Sponsored Events scheduling dates, City Representation on the POA, Parking adjacent to the GIN Building, Public Restroom Construction, Conveyance of Lot 2 to MA Partners, Compact parking requirements in the garage, and Screening/Mural of the garage (Possible PUD amendments). (Mayor Pro Tern Thornton) ]

MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN A CITY AND INMATE PARTNERS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE FOLLOWING TOPICS FISHING IN THE CO-OP.

VETERANS MEMORIAL MAINTENANCE, CITY SPONSORED EVENTS. SCHEDULING DATES.

CITY REPRESENTATION ON THE POA, PARKING ADJACENT TO THE GYM BUILDING, PUBLIC RESTROOM CONSTRUCTION. CONVEYANCE OF LOT TWO TO MA PARTNERS, COMPACT PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THE GARAGE AND SCREENING MURAL ON THE GARAGE.

POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS. I THINK IT STARTED WITH YOU, THORNTON. YEAH, I STARTED WITH ASKING QUESTIONS BECAUSE THE PUD REQUIRES SCREENING OF ANY SIDE OF THE PARKING GARAGE THAT FACES A PUBLIC STREET, WHICH, AS IT TURNS OUT, IS ONLY LIVE OAK STREET.

BUT THE THE SIDE OF THE PARKING GARAGE FACING LIVE OAK STREET IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE SCREENING ON IT. AND IT DOESN'T.

AND SO THAT'S THE CONDITION OF THE PUD.

IT'S NOT BEING FOLLOWED.

I ASKED ABOUT IT. I WAS TOLD IT WAS BEING DISCUSSED, AND I ASKED FOR FOLLOW UP INFORMATION A FEW TIMES, AND IT WAS STILL BEING DISCUSSED AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED WITH IT.

AND IT ALSO CAME OUT THAT THERE ARE NUMEROUS OTHER ISSUES, AND FISHING IS ONE THAT CAME UP LAST YEAR AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT ON IT AND ALL OF THESE ISSUES. THE CITY IS TRYING TO REACH AN AGREEMENT WITH MA PARTNERS AND NOTHING IS MOVING AND DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE CITY THAT'S NOT RESPONDING.

IT SEEMS TO BE MA PARTNERS.

THAT'S NOT RESPONDING.

AS FAR AS I CAN TELL. ARE THEY OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THESE? WITH THESE? THEY'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE PUD. BECAUSE THE PUD SAYS THEY HAVE TO HAVE SCREENING ON THE PARKING GARAGE. SO IN MY OPINION, THEY'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE THERE. SO THEN IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT IS IT FAIR TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO DRAFT A LETTER THAT WE ALL SIGNED THAT EXPRESSES THAT THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE POD AND, YOU KNOW, GET BACK IN.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TEETH WE HAVE.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE MOU? WELL, THE MOU DOESN'T EXIST YET.

THE MOU IS BEING NEGOTIATED, WHICH I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS RESOLVE EVERYTHING. BUT. SO THEN, COULD WE LIKE, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS AS FAR AS PUTTING THAT IN THE MOU OR SPICING UP THE MOU TO BRING THEM BACK INTO COMPLIANCE? KATE MORIARTY, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER.

SO LAST FRIDAY, LAST WEEK WE SENT THEM AN UPDATED MOU THAT HAS NOW INCLUDED THE BASICALLY THE REQUIREMENT TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR PUD TO ADD THE SCREENING REQUIREMENT AND LET THAT BE BE MET.

AND THEN BACK IN JUNE, WE HAD PROVIDED EFFECTIVELY A NOTICE, BUT IT WAS VIA EMAIL FROM ASHLEY BASICALLY COMMUNICATING THAT THEY ARE OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR POD. THEY DIDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE IT TO BEGIN WITH, BUT WE FOLLOWED UP AND THEY ACKNOWLEDGED IT AND WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HEAR MORE INFORMATION BUT HAVEN'T YET SPECIFICALLY ON THAT.

I KNOW THEY'RE PRETTY FOCUSED ON THE MURAL AND WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE FOR THE PARKING GARAGE. HERE'S WHAT I THINK OUR ISSUE IS.

THE DOCUMENT TELLS YOU WHAT YOUR RECOURSE WHEN SOMEONE IS IN DEFAULT.

AND I'VE SAID A MILLION TIMES YOU'RE IN DEFAULT. THE NOTICE GOES OUT THE NEXT DAY.

AND THEN THAT TRIGGERS IF WE'RE EMAILING PEOPLE AND WE'RE PLAYING NICE.

THAT'S WHAT DRAGS THE STUFF ON TO THE POINT TO WHERE IT'S LIKE PROBLEM AFTER PROBLEM.

WE OWNED A POND ON THE NORTH RIGHT NOW, MAYBE WANT TO DEDICATE IT LATER.

SOME AGREEMENT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE OWN A POND THAT PEOPLE ARE TELLING US HOW TO USE. I THINK THAT'S CRAZY.

I THINK IT'S CRAZY THAT THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES.

IN MY MIND, THESE GUYS ARE.

OR THIS IS THE DURANGO PEOPLE.

I MEAN, THEY'RE NOTORIOUS FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES AND DOING WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.

AND AT SOME POINT, IT'S LIKE THE FIREWORKS THING, YOU GOT TO GO AND START ADDRESSING IT WITH PEOPLE, AND YOU GOT TO SAY, LOOK, YOU'RE VIOLATING IT.

YOU'RE IN DEFAULT. AND WHATEVER HOUR, IF IT'S A $500 A DAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WHAT THE RESULTS ARE.

TO ME, THAT'S HOW YOU DO IT.

AND THEY SAY, OKAY, TIME OUT.

CAN YOU LAY OFF OF US? NOT UNTIL YOU COME TO US WITH THESE ISSUES AND YOU COME AND SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO HELP US OUT.

AND THEY'RE HOLDING UP THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR A.

ROUNDABOUT THAT WE CAN'T DO.

AND SO, I MEAN, WE'RE GIVING ALL THE POWER TO THE DEVELOPERS.

BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS READING THROUGH THIS I DON'T LIKE.

I'LL BE HONEST, I DON'T LIKE THE MOU. THE FISHING.

WE JUST HEARD LOOK, IF YOU IF YOU ALLOW NON AERIAL FIREWORKS, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET CONFUSED.

NOW WE HAVE AN MOU THAT SAYS, WELL, YOU CAN FISH, BUT ONLY ON A BRIDGE, NOT ON A BANK.

NOT HERE, NOT THERE. AND SO NOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THAT? AND SO

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THEY'RE GOING TO BE FISHING ALL OVER THE PLACE. AND THEN I'M THE GUY THAT SAYS, YOU GOT TO GO GIVE THESE PEOPLE A TICKET BECAUSE THEY'RE BREAKING THE LAW, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE CONFUSING. SO TO ME, EITHER THEY'RE FISHING AND IF THEY TEAR SOMETHING UP, I THINK WE HAVE ORDINANCES THAT ALLOW FOR US TO PROVIDE FOR THAT.

I UNDERSTAND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE, BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE EVERYBODY OUT THERE WALKING AROUND IN HELMETS.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO, LIKE, LEARN THAT.

WHY WERE YOU HANGING OFF THE BRIDGE THAT WAY AND FELL INTO THE WATER? THAT'S DANGEROUS. THAT'S ON THEM.

WE CAN'T HAVE ALL THESE PRECAUTIONS TO STOP PEOPLE.

SO TO ME, WE GOT TO GO THROUGH THIS.

THE PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO FISH IN THE POND. THAT WAS A HUGE UPROAR.

NOW WE GOT IT DOWN TO IT'S IT'S FISHING AND I DON'T LIKE GIVING ESPECIALLY THIS DEVELOPER I THEY HEAR NO, NO THEY WERE I'D SAY THE SAME THING.

I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE DEVELOPER ANY SAY.

THIS THING IS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO DETERMINE HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE FISHING. THEY'RE GOING TO DETERMINE. AND I'M LIKE THEIR OWN TENANTS COMPLAIN ABOUT THE STUFF THEY DETERMINE. SO WE GOT THE POWER.

IT'S OUR CO-OP. WE GAVE THEM THE DAMN LAND.

RIGHT. AND WE NEED TO EXERT A LITTLE BIT OF CONTROL AND GO LOOK, I MEAN DO SOMETHING WHEN IT COMES TO VETERANS MEMORIAL, I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST WE JUST GOT THIS AT 430 TODAY, SO I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO REALLY GO THROUGH IT. BUT ONCE I GOT TO THE FISHING, I WAS LIKE, YEAH, WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH THESE GUYS.

BUT THAT'S JUST ME. I DON'T KNOW THE ISSUE WITH THE CITY REPRESENTATION ON THE BOARD.

ARE THEY ARE THEY SAYING THAT THEY WE DON'T GET A PERSON ON THE BOARD OR WHAT'S THERE'S THERE'S NO THERE'S NO PROVISION FOR THAT.

THIS WOULD BE THEM CONSENTING TO THE CITY, HAVING A A MEMBER SIT ON THE POA BOARD.

WELL THAT'S THAT'S AN AGREEMENT.

THE AGREEMENT GIVES SOMEBODY ON THE ARCHITECTURE CONTROL COMMITTEE, NOT ON THE FULL PO. NOT A FULL PO BOARD.

THIS WOULD CHANGE THAT. THIS WOULD ADD THAT TO ALSO BE ON THE FULL PO BOARD.

AND YOU OUGHT TO PUT SOMETHING IN HERE ABOUT THE SPLASH PAD.

I MEAN, THAT THING THERE.

THAT'S TRUE. THEY'RE BLAMING THEY'RE BLAMING SOX GETTING SUCKED UP INTO PUMPS.

YOU KNOW WHAT I SAY? IT'S NOT MY PROBLEM BECAUSE WE GAVE YOU 22 ACRES AND WE'RE OUT TELLING EVERYBODY THE SPLASH PADS WORKING. THEY ALL THINK IT'S A SPLASH PAD. AND THE THING'S BROKE MORE THAN IT'S WORKING.

AND THEY GOT EXCUSES. AND I'M LIKE, WELL, THE CITY MANAGER IS GETTING READY TO HAVE ONE. AND HE SAYS IT'S NOT GOING TO GO DOWN. SO MAYBE THE CITY NEEDS TO TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE OF IT, FIX THE PUMP, DO ALL THAT.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT I PUT SOME STUFF LIKE THAT IN THERE. I PUT THE RIGHT OF WAY IN THERE.

YEAH. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF OF CONVEYING THE VETERANS MEMORIAL.

NO, WE JUST PAID $1 MILLION FOR THAT AND THEN TRUST THEM TO MAINTAIN IT WITH THE WAY THEY MAINTAIN THE TOWN GREEN AREA WITH THE WITH THE, YOU KNOW. YEAH. YEAH, I THINK THESE GUYS COULD DO A GOOD JOB.

I THINK THE REASON THEY DON'T IS BECAUSE WE LET THEM DICTATE THE TERMS THEY DICTATE WHEN THEY'RE DOING THINGS, AND I THINK ANY GOOD PARTNERSHIP WE HAVE TO COME TOGETHER TO WHERE WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER AND SOMETIMES WE'RE GOING TO BE MAD AT THEM AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE GOING TO BE MAD AT US. BUT FOR WHAT? THEY STARTED AT 17. SO FOR EIGHT YEARS THEY'VE BEEN RUNNING THIS CITY IN FRONT OF OUR OWN BACKYARD. SO THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS.

YOU GUYS MAY MAY THINK I'M BEING MEAN, BUT.

I AGREE. ALL RIGHT, SO HERE'S WHAT I'D SUGGEST.

COUNCIL GOT THIS TODAY.

WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO REALLY DIG IN.

I THINK WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO IS. AND I'M NOT BLAMING YOU GUYS FOR IT, BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY GAVE IT TO YOU AT 415 AND YOU SENT IT TO US.

WE SENT IT TO YOU THE MOMENT THEY GAVE IT TO US.

AND ARGUABLY, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE ONLY REASON THEY GAVE IT TO US WAS BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

AND THEY WERE SAYING, NOW THEY COULD SAY, WELL, WE DELIVERED IT TO YOU.

SO THANK YOU TO COUNCIL MEMBER MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON FOR FOR PUSHING THE ITEM.

YOU KNOW, TO COUNSEL BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT DOES TAKE YOU GUYS TO TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER ISSUES. YOU KNOW, SO I'D LIKE TO SEE IS AND I REALLY HATE SUBCOMMITTEES, BUT I FEEL LIKE BOB HAS TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE STRAIGHT UP BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO JERK YOU GUYS AROUND FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. AND THE ONLY TIME WE GOT ANYTHING DONE LAST TIME HERE, AND I CALLED THE HEAD GUY.

WHAT, WAS HE IN HOLLAND OR SOMETHING? YEAH. AND LAID INTO HIM AND SAID, BASICALLY, WE'RE AT A BREAKING POINT.

SO WE'D LIKE TO SEE IS OVER THE NEXT WEEK AND A HALF, TWO WEEKS, THE COUNCIL ON THE MESSAGE BOARD GIVE YOU GUYS COMMENTS ON WHAT THE WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE. AND THEN I THINK, LIKE ME AND AND GORDON AND THOMPSON CAN MEET WITH YOU GUYS AND BRING BOB IN HERE AND WE CAN SIT DOWN AND JUST SAY THIS, THIS IS NOT GOING TO WORK.

THIS IS WHAT THE COUNCIL'S WANTING CHANGED.

AND IF YOU DON'T DO IT, WE NOW KNOW FROM LEGAL AT THAT POINT WHAT THE REPERCUSSIONS WILL BE.

AND THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO COME AT YOU PRETTY HARD BECAUSE WE'VE SCREWED AROUND WITH $4.5 MILLION BEING OWED AND NOT DOING WORK AND ALL THAT.

IT'S LIKE, HEY, HOW'S THAT SOUND?

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SO THIS WAS MAYOR PRO TEM ITEM.

WHAT IF WOULD YOU LIKE TO REPLACE ME ON THE. OH, YEAH, I FORGOT. I THOUGHT HE'S FINE.

I'M FINE IF YOU DO IT, I IF YOU IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN DOING IT, I'M FINE WITH THAT. BOB LIKES HIM.

BOB LIKES. HE LIKES YOU, DOESN'T HE? WELL, YEAH, I PROBABLY GET ALONG BETTER THAN MOST PEOPLE.

BETTER THAN MOST MOST MAYORS.

YEAH. SO. YES. SO THAT WOULD BE AN ADVANTAGE FOR SURE, BECAUSE I GET ALONG WITH THOSE GUYS, BECAUSE USUALLY WHAT I FIND THE REASON I LIKE TO DO, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PLAY BAD COP, GOOD COP. BUT HONESTLY, WHAT I FIND IS HERE AND I DIFFER SO MUCH THAT SOMETIMES WE AGREE IN FRONT OF PEOPLE, THAT KIND OF FREAKS THEM OUT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHEN THEY KNOW, LIKE, HEY, YOU GOT A PROBLEM.

ONLY YOU, THE ONLY FREAKS YOU OUT YOU KNOW I LIKE IT, BUT ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON? SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN IF YOU GUYS CAN SET UP A MEETING, LIKE, IN TWO WEEKS.

BECAUSE IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE THEM THAT LONG TO AGREE TO IT, THAT PROBABLY TAKE THEM THAT LONG TO READ THE EMAIL, BUT YEAH. YEAH.

AND THEN THAT'LL GIVE US TIME TO GO THROUGH IT, GIVE YOU THE WHAT WE WANT TO SEE CHANGED SOMEWHAT AND THEN WE CAN MEET AND AND IS IT JUST BOB OR IS IT DOES THE OTHER GUY PART OF THAT TOO? IT'S ONLY BOB NOW THAT HE'S THE ONE THAT'S PREDOMINANTLY DEALING WITH THE MA PARTNERS FOR THE CO-OP, BUT THEN THEY'RE I THINK THEY STILL HAVE THE SHARED ATTORNEY. WHO'S THE ONE WHO SENT THE DRAFT TODAY? SO. SO BOB WANTS NOT WYATT.

WYATT WAS NOT INVOLVED WITH THE CO-OP.

I DON'T THINK ANYMORE. OKAY.

GOOD ENOUGH. ALL RIGHT, SO NO ACTION, NO ACTION.

BUT IF YOU GUYS WILL START THIS UP TOMORROW.

ALL RIGHT, WE GOT ITEM 12 FOR CONSIDERATION.

[12.4. Consideration and possible action related to joint public work projects between the City of Hutto and the Hutto Economic Development Corporation. (Mayor Snyder, Coucilmember Morris)]

POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO JOINT PUBLIC WORK PROJECTS BETWEEN THE CITY OF HUTTO AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

HERE'S WHAT BROUGHT THIS ON. WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT LATER ABOUT SOME MEDIATION.

COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AND I WENT TO, BUT WE HAD OUR ATTORNEY THERE.

THAT KIND OF KNOWS. I GUESS HIS FOCUS IS IF CONTRACTORS DON'T DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, AND HOW DO WE SUE THEM AND WIN? AND YOU TELL ME. I'LL SAY IT, AND YOU TELL ME WHERE YOU THINK I'M OFF.

THE MESSAGE I GOT FROM THE GUY WAS, WE'RE DOING IT WRONG.

WE'RE WRITING AGREEMENTS THAT DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY TEETH.

AND BECAUSE WE'RE A PUBLIC ENTITY, WE ARE LIMITED BY LAW.

WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY NEGOTIATE, WHAT WE CAN FORCE UPON PEOPLE.

AND LIQUIDATED DAMAGES ARE A LITTLE IFFY.

AND THAT'S WHY WE GOT THEM SO LOW.

AND I WAS LIKE, HOW DO WE GET IT TO WHERE THE PERSON IS CRYING AND BEGGING FOR MERCY, FOR MISSING A DEADLINE BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T WORKING ON IT FOR TWO MONTHS.

AND WHAT WE FOUND OUT WAS, YOU JUST CAN'T DO THAT WITH PUBLIC BIDDING.

BUT IF THE BIDDING GOES TO THE EDC AND IT DETERMINES AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

NOW WE GOT ALL THE POWER IN THE WORLD. WE CAN WRITE DIFFERENT CONTRACTS. WE CAN HAVE STRONGER TEETH BECAUSE I SAID, HEY, HOW COME IN MY DAY JOB, NOBODY EVER MISSES A DEADLINE? HOW COME THEY'LL WORK ON MIDNIGHT AND GET SPECIAL PERMITS? THEY WERE LIKE, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT PUBLIC.

SO WE WERE KIND OF KICKING AROUND WAS OKAY.

ONE OF THE REASONS I LIKE HAVING MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN EDC FROM THE COUNCIL, IF WE START MOVING SOME OF THESE PROJECTS TO THE EDC, NOT AS A WAY TO SKIP THE PROCESS OF BIDDING, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN DOING, BUT AS A MANNER TO ACTUALLY BE MORE INVOLVED, MORE TEETH, BETTER AGREEMENTS.

IT SOUNDED LIKE THAT WAS A WAY WE COULD GET WHAT SOME OF US WANT.

AND TOMMY. YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK WHAT THE SUMMARY WAS IS THAT WE REALLY CAN'T DO PENALTIES OR RESTRICTED IN THAT, BUT YOU CAN INCENTIVIZE THEM THAT IF YOU WANT SOMETHING DONE IN 18 MONTHS.

BUT YOU SAY IF YOU GET IT AT 16 MONTHS, YOU GET EXTRA MONEY, AND IF IT'S 14 MONTHS YOU GET EXTRA MONEY.

SO IT INCENTIVIZES THEM.

BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE A PENALTY IF THEY DON'T MEET. THE 18 MONTHS IS WHAT MY NON-LEGAL MIND ABSORBED IN THAT, RIGHT.

HE WAS INDICATING THAT LIQUIDATED DAMAGES ARE REALLY NOT ENFORCEABLE IN TEXAS.

SO SO WE WE HAVE THEM IN OUR CONTRACTS AND WE ARE HAVING SOME PEOPLE PAY.

THAT MIGHT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT YEAH, IT'S A MINIMUM. LIKE I SAID, $2,000 A DAY.

I'M LOOKING FOR LIKE, HEY, THIS GUY'S GOT TO SELL HIS, YOU KNOW, HIS DUMP TRUCK TO US OR GIVE IT TO US BECAUSE HE JACKED AROUND FOR SIX MONTHS ON A PROJECT. BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE IF WE MOVED SOME OF THIS STUFF CASE BY CASE, THE ATTORNEYS HAVE TO DECIDE THAT, YES, THAT DOES MEET THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CODE. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO SEWER LINES, WATER LINES SIDEWALK PARK IMPROVEMENTS.

PROBABLY NOT THE VETERANS MEMORIAL BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY NOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THING, BUT WHATEVER'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THING, IF WE MOVE IT TO THE EDC, ALL OF A SUDDEN WE CAN NOW NEGOTIATE.

THE OTHER THING WAS, HE'S NOT A BIG FAN OF SEEING, MA, YOU TEND TO PAY MORE.

AND HE HAD HIS REASONINGS, AND HE WAS LIKE, HE FEELS LIKE CITIES DO,

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SEEMA, BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY WAY THEY HAVE TO NEGOTIATE.

BUT HE WAS LIKE, IF YOU MOVE THAT TO THE PRIVATE SIDE, IT'S A GAME CHANGER. AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHY EVERYBODY ELSE DOESN'T DO THIS.

SO WE KIND OF ASKED THEM TO DO WAS, HEY CAN YOU GIVE US A QUOTE ON GOING THROUGH OUR BIDDING CONTRACTS? WHAT LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE IN THERE TO WHERE PEOPLE STOP SCREWING WITH US? BECAUSE BASICALLY WE GO AND IT'S LIKE, LOOK, YOU GOT 20% CHANCE YOU'RE GOING TO WIN THIS, BUT WHAT CAN WE CHANGE? AND THEN LOOK AT A COUPLE OF OUR DEALS GOING OUT SO THAT, YES, IF HE HAD TO REPRESENT US.

HE COULD ALMOST DO IT PRO BONO BECAUSE HE GOES, I KNOW I'M GOING TO WIN BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE IS THAT GOOD.

DO YOU WANT TO CALL UP 13 G BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT, OH, THE ATTORNEY IN THE AGREEMENT.

AND JUST SO THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW, THE CHAPMAN LAW FIRM, THAT'S WHAT THEY SPECIALIZE IN IS CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT DRAFTING DOCUMENTS FOR PUBLIC ENTITIES AND ALSO LITIGATING THOSE TYPES OF CLAIMS. SO THE IDEA HERE IS, I GUESS, IN A WAY, YOU GUYS CAN THINK ABOUT IT.

VOICE YOUR CONCERNS TO THE CITY MANAGER IF YOU'RE NOT HEARING ANY.

WHAT I'M HOPING IS WHATEVER NEXT PROJECT WE'RE DOING, WHETHER IT BE LIMMER OR 137, WE TRY TO FIND OUT IF THERE'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEAL. WE TALKED TO THIS GUY, ASSUMING WE COME OUT AND APPROVE G.

IF WE DON'T APPROVE G, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. BUT IF WE APPROVE THAT, WE COME BACK OUT.

WE TRY A COUPLE OF PROJECTS WITH THIS NEW WAY, SEE HOW IT BIDS US. AND CAN I, CAN I THROW UP SOME OF MY OBJECTIONS? WELL, YOU HAVE OBJECTIONS TO THIS? YES. OKAY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO LIKE THIS.

I DO LIKE IT. I DO LIKE IT.

AND I EVEN SAID THAT IN MY EMAIL TO YOU. BUT YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO READ IT BECAUSE I WAS WRITING IT OVER HERE EARLIER.

OKAY, SO I DO LIKE IT.

I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S I'VE NEVER EVEN CONSIDERED I HAVEN'T EVER HEARD IT PRESENTED TO, TO DO THIS WAY. SO THE SO TO ME IT'S LIKE OUTSIDE OF THE BOX, IT'S CREATIVE AND IT AND IT SEEMS TO BE ACCOMPLISHING SOMETHING THAT IS A PROBLEM.

THE THING THAT I WOULD PUMP THE BRAKES ON AND SAY, WE REALLY GOT TO PAY REALLY CLOSE ATTENTION TO AND BUILD INTO THIS, IS THAT WHILE THE PUBLIC BIDDING PROCESS AND THE PUBLIC CONTRACTING PROCESS IS CUMBERSOME AND DOESN'T NECESSARILY GIVE US THE TEETH THAT THAT YOU'RE WANTING.

WHAT IT DOES DO IS IT GIVES US TRANSPARENCY, AND IT PRETTY MUCH LIMITS INDIVIDUALS FROM MANIPULATING THE PROCESS FROM STEERING THINGS TO PEOPLE THAT ARE THEIR BUDDIES AND THAT SORT OF STUFF. IF WE STRIP ALL OF THOSE PROTECTIONS AWAY AND THE EDC DOES NOT HAVE TO BID, THE EDC CAN CONTRACT WITH ANYBODY THEY WANT TO CONTRACT WITH, AS LONG AS ALL THE PERSONALITIES ARE THE RIGHT PERSONALITIES, THAT'S GOING TO BE AWESOME.

BUT THE MOMENT, THEY'RE NOT THE RIGHT PERSONALITIES, IT IS GOING TO BE ABUSED AND IT IS GOING TO BECOME CORRUPT.

AND I DON'T I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS THAT.

SO HOWEVER, WE CAN DO WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WITH ENOUGH GUARDRAILS TO WHERE WE STILL HAVE TRANSPARENCY, RIGHT? BECAUSE I'M SURE THAT'S IMPORTANT. WE STILL HAVE TRANSPARENCY, AND WE HAVE THE GUARDRAILS OF THINGS THAT CAN'T BE WAIVED, BECAUSE IF YOU CAN JUST WAIVE A REQUIREMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU PUT IN PLACE WHENEVER YOU WANT TO, THEN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE BAD ACTORS WILL JUST WAIVE THE REQUIREMENTS AND DO THE THING AND GIVE IT TO THEIR, THEIR, YOU KNOW, COUSIN OR WHATEVER.

AND THAT'S THE THAT'S THE ONLY PART OF THIS THAT HAS ME EVEN REMOTELY CONCERNED BECAUSE FASTER AND ALL THAT STUFF IS PRETTY COOL.

BRING YOU A SOLUTION REAL QUICK. YEAH.

THE MOU BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE EDC, THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT PAY FOR THE ROAD PROJECT UNLESS I DON'T WANT THE BIDDING TO STOP. I WANT THE BIDDING TO GET BETTER.

AND SO I THINK IF THERE'S AN MOU BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY AND EDC, THEN WE DON'T GIVE MONEY UNLESS ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET TO WHERE YOU. BASICALLY, I WANT THE SAME BIDDING PROCESS WITHOUT THE PUBLIC LAWS OF BIDDING BEING USED AGAINST US, WHICH IS YEAH, WE CAN'T NEGOTIATE WITH THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE THE PUBLIC LAW DOESN'T ALLOW US. I'D LIKE TO SEE THE BIDDING WITH THE ABILITY TO GO, HEY, YOU NEED TO DO BETTER ON THIS JOB HERE.

THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE PAYING YOU. I'M TRACKING DOLLARS, I.

I OKAY? MY, MY. THE PROBLEM IS, IF YOU HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE ALSO THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD OF THE EDC, THEY CAN JUST CHANGE THE MOU AT ANY POINT IN TIME THAT THEY WANT. SO IF THEY WANT TO START BEING BAD ACTORS, THEY CAN.

AND I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF IT'S MOU FROM EDC, SO UNLESS THE CITY COUNCIL AGREES TO. BUT IF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE MAJORITY OVER HERE TOO, AND THEIR MAJORITY OVER THERE, THEY BASICALLY JUST VOTE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE VOTE.

WE CAN DO THAT NOW, RIGHT? YOU COULD HAVE FOUR BAD ACTORS UP HERE RIGHT NOW ALREADY GOT IT PREDETERMINED. WE'RE GOING TO SHIFT $100 OR $100 MILLION IN PROJECTS TO A FRIEND.

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WE COULD DO THE EXACT SAME THING. YOU COULDN'T STOP IT ANYWAY. WE WE GO THROUGH PUBLIC BIDDING. WE STILL HAVE THOSE PROTECTIONS.

NO, I MEAN, NO, WE COULD CHANGE IT RIGHT NOW, TONIGHT, AND WE COULD MOVE IT ALL TO THE EDC.

AND WE COULD HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM YOU'RE HAVING. I MEAN, I GET YOUR CONCERN, BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO STOP YOUR CONCERN IF A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL ALWAYS FEELS THAT WAY.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IF THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL WANTS TO BE CROOKED, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE CROOKED. THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE RULES AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET ON THE EDC, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO.

YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU CAN'T STOP THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL FROM DOING ANYTHING WHICH YOU CAN HOPE IS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS YOU GOT A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL, YOU HAVE A COUNCIL THAT'S GOING TO TALK IN A PUBLIC ONE WAY.

YOU GOT THE EDC IN ANOTHER, AND THE AVENUES ARE THE ELECTORATE IS GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE COUNCIL IN EDC ARE NOT CIRCUMVENTING, SHIFTING $20 MILLION PROJECTS TO SOMEBODY.

YEAH, I, I MEAN, SINCE IT'S KIND OF A NOVEL CONCEPT, MY POINT, MY WHOLE POINT IN THIS IS TO THINK THROUGH OF HOW IT COULD BE ABUSED AND TRY TO AND TRY TO PUT IN GUARDRAILS TO PROTECT THAT AND KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF WHAT I'M SAYING. I THINK IT'S NOVEL.

I DO THINK ANOTHER ASPECT AND AND IS THE WAY THAT GEORGETOWN PROPOSES TO DO IT, AND THAT IS WHAT THEY DO RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THAT IT SAID IN THE RESEARCH THAT WAS PROVIDED OUT WAS THEY SAY, HEY, LIKE TO YOUR POINT ON THE TRAFFIC LIGHT OR WHATEVER INNOVATION, IT'S LIKE THEY HAVE UNTIL OCTOBER 1ST OR WHATEVER TO GET IT DONE.

AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, BUT IF WE WANT IT DONE BY JUNE 30TH, THEN WHAT DO WE PAY FOR THAT? AND THEN THAT'S THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. THAT'S YOU SPENDING MORE MONEY TO GET IT DONE FASTER, RATHER THAN USING BIG AND BIG DISINCENTIVES ON THE BACK END TO GET IT DONE ON, ON TIME. IT COULD ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING AS JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING IT.

BUT YEAH, I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER, THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD TRY TO STRUCTURE THIS TO WHERE IT DOESN'T END UP BEING ABUSED.

AND THAT IS BASICALLY IT.

THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE CITY MANAGER'S CONCERNS.

AND BUT TO ME, WHEN I HEARD THIS IS LIKE, THIS COULD BE A BIG GAME CHANGER.

I APPRECIATE CITY MANAGER'S CONCERNS IS MAYBE WE DON'T JUST TURN ON THE SPIGOT FOR EVERYTHING. WE JUST TRY A FEW THINGS, SEE WHAT APPLICABLE.

BUT THE ACTION WITH THE CHAPMAN WAS A LEGAL SERVICES OF HIM BEING REVIEWING THIS AND REVIEWING OUR CONTRACTS AND KIND OF PUTTING SOME TEETH IN IT WAS A VERY AND AND WITH DOTTIE THERE AS WELL, IT WAS A VERY ENLIGHTENING EXPERIENCE OF WHAT THIS GUY, WHAT THIS GUY CAN DO, CHAPMAN ASSOCIATES CAN DO AND WHAT HIS EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN. AND HE SEEMS TO BE PUTTING US ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

HE HAD A LOT OF GOOD THINGS, GOOD EXPERIENCE ON THINGS.

AND THIS IS ALL HE DOES IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

YEAH, IT'S VERY COMMON.

AND AND I ENCOURAGE US TO GO AND TAP A SPECIALIST, PARTICULARLY IN THE LAW FIELD, WHICH WE DO FOR WATER, WE DO FOR WASTEWATER, WE DO FOR PERSONNEL.

THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE HAVE NOT IN THE PAST GONE AND SOUGHT A, A SPECIALIST IN THE LEGAL FIELD IN, IN CONTRACT CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS.

TO ME THAT'S, THAT MAKES A TON OF SENSE.

THIS COULD BE A I MEAN THIS COULD BE A BIG RETURN ON INVESTMENT OVER ESPECIALLY A THREE, FIVE, TEN YEAR PERIOD.

THANK YOU.

YEAH, I HAVE SOME HESITATIONS WITH THIS. JUST HEARING THE CONVERSATION THAT ENSUED. I APPRECIATE ALL POINTS.

I THINK THE CITY PRIORITIZES, IN MY OPINION, THE CITY NEEDS TO PRIORITIZE, YOU KNOW, ROADS, WATER, WASTEWATER AND THE EDC NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON ATTRACTING BUSINESSES, ATTRACTING DRUMMING UP EXCITEMENT AROUND THE CITY.

I COULD SEE THIS POTENTIALLY HAVING A NEGATIVE EFFECT AND CONVOLUTING SOME LINES THERE. AND SO YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY WANT TO TALK WITH YOU, CITY MANAGER, A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS. BUT ON THE ON THE OUTSET, LOOKING AT IT, YOU KNOW, JUST ON ITS FACE, THERE ARE SOME HESITATIONS THERE THAT I'D BE HESITANT TO, TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS TONIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE ELSE, REALLY, I DON'T THINK WE'D REALLY MAKE A DECISION UNTIL WE LEARN ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE ADDENDUM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT PLAYS INTO THIS SOMEWHAT.

I THINK THAT'S IT ON THE.

THAT'S IT. DONE WITH THAT ONE. YEP.

I'D LIKE TO RECALL 8.1, PLEASE.

[03:55:07]

THAT'S THE BUDGET PRESENTATION. SORRY, 7.1.

IT'S ALWAYS 8.1. ALL RIGHT.

10.1 CONSIDERATION. POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS, FREE APPOINTMENTS AND OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS AND AREA GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS. I THINK IN LIGHT OF ALL THE DISCUSSIONS AND, YOU KNOW, THE THE FOCUS THAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE KELLY MCLAUGHLIN FROM THE EDC, FROM EDC, AND APPOINT JIM MORRIS.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER VACANCY AND APPOINT MIKE SNYDER.

MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD. DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION.

HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCILMEMBER KING.

AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

AYE. COUNCILMEMBER. GORDON.

NAY. MAYOR. SNYDER. SCHNEIDER, A COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS A COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON A COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD A.

MOTION PASSES FIVE TWO.

I'M GLAD YOU SAID EIGHT ONE.

WELL. WE'RE HERE. I APOLOGIZE.

SO? SO WE PASSED THE CHANGES WITH THE PROTOCOLS.

WOULD THIS BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME OR ARE WE ALLOWED TO APPOINT IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE? NOW, COULD WE DO THAT UNDER THIS ONE OR IS THAT NOT INCLUDED IN THIS? WE APPROVED THE THE PROTOCOL CHANGES.

YEAH. CAN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE IT UP? LET'S ROCK AND ROLL. OKAY.

SO MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE TO MYSELF, MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON AND JIM MORRIS.

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.

SECOND. WHO WILL BE CHAIRMAN? JIM CAN REMAIN, IF YOU'D LIKE.

ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT, STAN? OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR.

WERE YOU THE SECOND? YES.

SECOND. SECOND. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

AYE. MAYOR. SNYDER? AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. GORDON.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. KING.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PORTERFIELD.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. MORRIS.

AYE. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

I'M SORRY, I FORGOT ABOUT THE BUDGET.

NO YOU DIDN'T. I GUESS YOU DID.

THERE IS ZERO PROBABILITY THAT MIKE SNYDER FORGOT ABOUT BUDGET.

I'M SORRY ABOUT. I'M SO WOUND UP ABOUT SPARKLERS AND BOTTLE ROCKETS THAT WE GOT TO GOING. BUT ANYWAY YOU WANT TO JUST DO IT AFTER EXIT SO THAT EVERYBODY ELSE CAN JUST BE DONE? I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, WE'RE JUST BASICALLY DOING IT FOR THE RECORDING ANYWAY. BUT IF YOU DO IT, I MEAN, YOU WANT ALL MY STAFF, WE CAN GET THEM OUT OF HERE. WELL, ARE Y'ALL GOING TO ASK THEM ANY QUESTIONS AFTER I AFTER I PRESENT? NO, I'LL BE HONEST. NEXT NEXT THURSDAY WOULD BE THE TIME FOR THAT.

THURSDAY WAS FOR THAT. RIGHT. YEAH.

NEXT THURSDAY WOULD BE THE TIME FOR YOU GUYS.

OKAY. THAT WAS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE GOING LIKE, SO ANYBODY ALL NEED TO STAY FOR EXEC OR IS ALBERTA AND MAYBE CHRISTINA MAYBE I DON'T KNOW.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. HAVE A WONDERFUL EVENING.

YEAH. THANK YOU. AND WOULD IT BE BETTER TO DO IT? GO AHEAD AND GET THE EXACT.

GET OUR WATER. I THINK SO LET'S JUST.

AT THIS POINT, IT'S SO LATE. LET'S JUST TAKE CARE OF EXEC AND EVERYBODY ELSE WHO'S HERE FOR ITEMS. YOU GUYS HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT? WHAT? WHAT ARE YOU. WHAT ARE YOU HERE FOR? I'M JUST HERE FOR THE PARKING THING. OH, OKAY.

SO YOU'VE STUCK AROUND. I'M REALLY ENJOYING IT. WOW.

GOING TO BE HERE. I GOT HIM HOOKED.

THIS IS GREAT. HE'S SEEING THE.

HE'S SEEING THE SAUSAGE GETTING MADE.

YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH.

I LIKE THIS GUY. ALRIGHT.

WILL YOU FIND OUT WHAT YOU DON'T GET NOW? WE'LL GO TO.

WHAT'S THAT? SO ON 13 ONE A, WE ALREADY DISPOSED OF THAT ITEM IN THE JOINT MEETING. AND THEN FOR 13 ONE I.

THAT WAS REALLY A STATUS UPDATE.

13 ONE I. YES. DOES ANYBODY NEED LEGAL QUESTIONS ON I HOLD ON, I HOLD ON. LET'S PRESERVE.

THIS LOOKS LIKE A LOT ON THE EXEC, BUT I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY FAIRLY QUICKLY.

OKAY. NO LEGAL QUESTIONS THERE.

SO A AND I ARE GONE. YEP.

[04:00:03]

OKAY, LET ME READ THIS REAL QUICK.

THEN, ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION 1301 PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT

[13. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

CODE SECTION 551.071 CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY TO DELIBERATE AND SEEK LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING THE FOLLOWING LEGAL MATTERS. BE BROOKLYN'S AT ALL CALLS.

NUMBER 23 1222C395. PENDING IN THE 395TH DISTRICT COURT OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS. C SERVICE AREA AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HUTTO AND WATER SPECIALTY UTILITY DISTRICT PURSUANT TO TEXAS WATER CODE.

BLESS YOU 13 DOT 248 TO TRANSFER 77.22 ACRE PROPERTY, ALSO KNOWN AS A TRACT FROM JONAS, CCN, CCN, D DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HUTTO AND NATHAN GARRETT HANKS AS TRUSTEE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TRACT E RECHARGE WATER SALE AGREEMENT FOR THE WHOLESALE DELIVERY AND SALE OF POTABLE WATER DATED SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2023, AS AMENDED. F GROUNDWATER RESERVATION AGREEMENT WITH EXPORT PERMIT FOR EPCOR AND OUR HOLDINGS INCORPORATED G.

ADDENDUM TO THE ENGAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CHAPMAN FIRM PLC.

FOR LEGAL SERVICES RELATED TO PROCUREMENT AND CLAIMS INVOLVING PUBLIC WORK PROJECTS.

AND FINALLY. I'M SORRY.

DANG H. WILLIAMSON COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICES, DISTRICT NUMBER THREE INTERLOCAL SALES TAX SHARING AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF HUTTO TIMES 1101 13 213 THREE.

HOLY COW, I MISSED THOSE.

YES, I THOUGHT THAT WAS LIKE WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU COME BACK.

ALRIGHT. SORRY. 13 TWO.

PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551071 ATTORNEY CONSULTATION AND PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.072 REAL ESTATE TO DELIBERATE AND SEEK LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING A LEASE OF PROPERTY OWNED BY THE CITY OF HUTTO AND 13 THREE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY AND SECTION 551.072 REAL ESTATE DELIBERATION AND CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE SEEING THE ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY INTERESTS AS PART OF THE KR 132 PROJECT, CIP 41 2025A 2120 LLC PARCEL THREE OKAY TIMES 1102.

DID WE TALK ABOUT 9192? THAT'S AFTER OKAY, WE'RE DOING THAT. OKAY, JAMES, BE BACK IN AN HOUR. IT'S 108 ON AUGUST 8TH.

WE'RE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.

NO ACTION WAS TAKEN. NEXT ITEM WE HAVE UP.

YOU WANT US TO DO THE 13 OR THE 14 ONES AND TWOS AND THEN GO TO THE NINE? OR DO YOU GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE 9.1 BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE.

OKAY. NEXT WE'LL GO TO ITEM NINE ONE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON

[9.1. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-175 approving the Municipal Services Agreement for the proposed annexation of the Kirk tract, 77.2 acres, more or less, of land, located off FM1660S. (John Byrum) ]

RESOLUTION NUMBER R, DASH 2020 5-175 APPROVING THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION OF THE KIRK TRACT 77.2 7.2 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED OFF FM 1660 SOUTH.

AND MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I BELIEVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADD TO THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT AN UPDATED WATER AND WASTEWATER ESSER TO THE MISCELLANEOUS PROVISION, AND THEN BRING THIS BACK ON SEPTEMBER 4TH.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE NEED TO TAKE ANY ACTION THEN. THIS IS POSTED FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

NO, WE'RE DOING THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE AGREEMENT FIRST. I WAS READING THAT IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. YEAH. WE'RE GOING NEXT.

OKAY. WE'RE BACK ON WHAT DATE? HOLD ON. NOVEMBER 4TH.

I'M SORRY. SEPTEMBER 4TH.

CORRECT. THAT IS THE DATE, ISN'T IT? YEAH. OKAY, SO WE'RE NOT DOING A MOTION ON IT.

WE'RE JUST DIRECTING STAFF.

WE CAN. YEAH, YOU CAN DO A MOTION.

THAT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

SO WHAT? MAYOR SAID MOTION TO WHAT WAS IT? ADD THE UPDATED SCR TO THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT AND THEN BRING IT BACK ON SEPTEMBER 4TH. YEP. WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.

HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD. AYE.

MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCILMEMBER GORDON.

AYE. COUNCILMEMBER. KING.