Sep 04, 2025 City Council

AYE. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR.

OH. GO AHEAD. SO I NOTICED THAT THE TERS BOARDS DON'T GO THROUGH THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE ANYMORE, BUT I WAS REVIEWING THE CURRENT APPOINTMENTS ON THE TERS BOARDS, AND THERE ARE NINE CURRENT VACANCIES.

OR PEOPLE WHOSE SEATS HAVE EXPIRED IN JUNE THAT NEED TO BE REAPPOINTED TO THE BOARD.

SO NOW, PER OUR PROTOCOL CHANGES JUST BY DONE BY THE COUNCIL.

SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THE NAMES OF WHO EITHER COULD BE REAPPOINTED AND TO SEE IF WE WANTED TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT TONIGHT, IF THAT'S OKAY.

SURE. SO THAS BOARD NUMBER TWO.

THE TWO INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE NOT BEEN REAPPOINTED, WHO COULD BE REAPPOINTED ARE MAYOR SNYDER.

YOU'RE ON THERE, AND YOU'RE DUE TO BE REAPPOINTED. AND THEN AMBERLY KOLLER AND SHE DID EXPRESS INTEREST IN STAYING ON THAT BOARD IF, IF WE'RE OPEN TO THAT.

MOTION. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT MIKE SNYDER AND AMBERLY KOLLER TO TERMS BOARD NUMBER ONE. SECOND.

IS THAT 2 OR 1? THAS BOARD NUMBER ONE.

THE CO-OP OWNERS BOARD.

1 OR 2. I'M SORRY, I MEANT I MEANT ONE.

OKAY. GORDON AND MORRIS.

YES. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE MAYOR SNYDER.

AYE. MAYOR. PRO TEM. THORNTON.

AYE. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

AND THEN, FOR BOARD NUMBER TWO, THERE ARE FOUR INDIVIDUALS WHO COULD BE REAPPOINTED. I HAVE NOT TALKED.

THERE'S TWO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THAT ARE ON THERE.

SO COUNCIL MEMBER MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON AND MAYOR SNYDER ARE ON THERE.

AND THERE'S TWO OTHER INDIVIDUALS, AMBER MITCHELL AND MARCUS COLEMAN.

I HAVE NOT TALKED TO EITHER OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE WILLING TO SERVE. I DON'T KNOW IF ONE OF US WANTS TO REACH OUT TO THEM. I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. I THINK ANY ONE OF US COULD, BUT BUT TONIGHT I WAS PREPARED TO AT LEAST MAKE A MOTION TO RENOMINATE OR REAPPOINT MAYOR SNYDER AND MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY PORTERFIELD? ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. GORDON. AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

A COUNCIL MEMBER. PORTERFIELD.

A COUNCIL MEMBER. THOMPSON, A MAYOR.

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SNYDER, A COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS I.

MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO AND THEN FOR BOARD NUMBER THREE.

THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE WHO ARE UP FOR REAPPOINTMENT.

MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON, AMBERLY KOLLER.

AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS SEAN LUCAS.

AND I HAVEN'T TALKED TO MR. LUCAS. I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S WILLING OR ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SERVE, BUT AT LEAST TONIGHT I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON AND AMBERLY KOLLER TO THAT CHURCH BOARD A SECOND.

SECOND. MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON.

SECOND. BY COUNCIL MEMBER. PORTERFIELD. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

AND THEN I THINK WE NEED TO APPOINT SOMEONE TO.

WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET, HAVE WE? WE HAVE NOT. OH, YOU GOT TIME? YES. I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS TO THE COG POSITION. IT'S.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED. COG SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW.

YEAH, WE'LL GO TO IT. RIGHT.

YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. SECOND.

THERE YOU GO. SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

ANY DISCUSSION? DID WE NEED A RESOLUTION FOR THAT, OR IS THE MOTION ENOUGH? I'M NOT SURE HOW THE RULES WORKED.

I THOUGHT WE HAD A NOTE ABOUT THAT.

WE'VE ALWAYS DONE A RESOLUTION AND SENT IT TO THE CAPITAL.

I THINK I MEANT IT TO DIRECT YOU ALL TO BRING BACK A RESOLUTION APPOINTING YOU.

OKAY WITH THAT? THAT'S FINE. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

MORRIS. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GARIN I COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON I COUNCIL MEMBER KING I COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD I MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON I MAYOR SNYDER I.

MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER ITEMS? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO TO ITEM EIGHT TWO CONSIDERATION. POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING

[8.2. Consideration and possible action regarding recommendations or updates from City Council sub-committees (i.e. HISD, CIP, UDC, Public Safety, Co-Op). ]

RECOMMENDATIONS OR UPDATES FROM CITY COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEES.

THE ISD DIDN'T MEET THE CIP, I THINK IS OVER.

THE UDC MET. WE JUST HAD A MEETING TODAY WITH STAFF.

DO YOU WANT TO GIVE A SUMMATION? YEAH. THE THREE OF US AS COUNCILMAN PORTERFIELD MAYOR SNYDER AND MYSELF, WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN SPENDING EXTRA HOURS ON SUNDAYS.

I THINK I'VE MISSED 1 OR 2, BUT I THINK IT'S PROBABLY CLOSE TO 20, 25 HOURS BETWEEN AND THREE OF US.

SO IT'S 500 OR 462 72.

PAGE 372 PAGES. BUT IDEOLOGICALLY, WHAT WHAT? I THINK THE CITY AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND ENGINEERING CAME TO AN AGREEMENT IS HOW CAN WE STREAMLINE THE UDC TO MAKE IT EASIER ON THE DEVELOPERS IN THE PROCESS, NOT EASIER ON THE DEVELOPERS REQUIREMENTS, BUT EASIER ON THE PROCESS OF INTERACTING WITH THE CITY AND STAFF, AND SPECIFICALLY THE PLAT FORMATION AND SOME OF THE SPECIFIC THINGS LIKE SIGNS. AND THEN WE ALSO FOUND SOME PROBLEMS THAT WERE JUST KIND OF TYPOS AND CLERICAL AREA ERROR ERRORS.

BUT THE DOCUMENT SO LARGE, THAT'S AN UNDERSTANDABLE TO HAVE THOSE GET THROUGH SLIP THROUGH. SO I THINK WHATEVER THE THE CITY STAFF SPECIFICALLY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT AND OUR CITY ENGINEERING CREW AND STAFF IS THAT HOW CAN WE TO TO REDUCE DWELL TIMES. IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN SOMETHING IS SENT IN TO CITY, MAYBE REDUCING THAT TIME TO WHERE WE GET BACK TO THEM, ALSO MAKING THINGS MORE CLEAR CUT.

AS A CITY ENGINEER, IF I CAN QUOTE HIM AS MAKING IT REALLY VERY SPECIFIC AS FAR AS WHAT THEY CAN DO AND WHAT THEY CANNOT DO.

IF A DEVELOPER WANTS TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT'S SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE THE LINES WITHIN REASON, THEN IT WOULD GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF KIND OF SEPARATE TO THAT.

BUT AS FAR AS PEOPLE WANTING TO, TO, TO DEVELOP IN THE, IN THE CITY WITH KIND OF THE VANILLA, HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE.

AND IT'S, IT'S IN 372 PAGES.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A LIGHT RESTRICTION.

THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS THERE. IF THEY JUST FOLLOW THAT 100%, THEN THEIR PLOTS WILL BE APPROVED.

IF THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, THEN THERE'S A PROCESS THAT BUT THE DEVELOPERS WANT TO GET THINGS DONE QUICKLY. AND THIS IS FROM DEVELOPERS THAT WE'VE HAD IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE EDC MEETINGS AND ON, ON THE, ON THE DAIS IS, IS TO HELP THE DEVELOPERS GET THIS.

THIS GETS THIS THROUGH.

SO WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THESE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU KNOW, WHEN CONCEPTUALLY AND ACTUALLY HAVING A FINAL PLAT APPROVED, WE DON'T WANT THIS 12 TO 18 MONTHS.

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I THINK THERE'S ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE THAT IT CAN TAKE 18 MONTHS AND TAYLOR TO GET THINGS DONE. AND WE WANT TO MAKE THAT TO WHERE WE'RE 6 TO 9 MONTHS OR EVEN LESS.

SO THAT'S THE IDEOLOGICAL, PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH OF US REVIEWING THE DOCUMENT. AND HAVING A COMMERCIAL, SMALL, SMALL BUSINESS RETAIL DEVELOPER YOU KNOW, ON THE DAIS HERE IT WAS A, WAS A WAS A HELP HAVING BUSINESS OWNERS AND THINGS AND GETTING AND TALKING TO PEOPLE. BUT THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT'S GOING I THINK WE'VE WE'RE GIVING THEM THREE MONTHS OR ONE MONTH TO GET BACK TO US.

WHO? THE CITY STAFF ON THE UDC.

I THINK IT'S MONDAY. IT'S MONDAY.

I DON'T THINK IT'S MONDAY.

WE CHANGED IT. SO ANYWAY, THERE'S A TIMELINE THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED AND WE WELCOME THE INPUTS AND WHATEVER CAN MAKE IT EASIER ON STAFF AND SPECIFICALLY OUR CITY ENGINEER AND AND PLANNING DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

SO. DID I MISS ANYTHING? NO. I WOULD JUST ADD THAT FOR MEMBERS ON COUNCIL, IT'S IT SEEMS LIKE SOME OF OUR DISCUSSIONS AND TALKING TO STAFF IS NOT TOO FAR OUT IN LEFT FIELD. IT'S THINGS THAT MAYBE THEY'RE INTERESTED INTO IN TERMS OF IT'S THERE'S A LOT OF TIME SOAK THAT'S BEING USED AND THERE'S A LOT OF EXPENSIVE EXPERIENCED PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH STUFF THAT IS EXTREMELY MINUTIA THAT REALLY IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT MAY NOT BE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR OUR CITY, AND IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT MATTERS. AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF A GRAY AREA.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF A LOT OF GRAY AREAS. ONE OF THEM IS IF YOU WERE TO BUILD A DETENTION POND, I'M PARAPHRASING THE CODE HERE A LITTLE BIT.

THE CODE ALLOWS YOU TO BUILD IT UP TO 25% OF THAT DETENTION POND WITHIN A SETBACK.

A LANDSCAPE SETBACK. AND SO.

BUT IT HAS TO HAVE STAFF APPROVAL.

WELL, THEN KNOWING THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, IF YOU SAY THEY CAN HAVE 25, THEY'RE GOING FOR 30 OR 40%.

AND THEN WE SPEND MONTHS POTENTIALLY AND TIME ON SOMETHING THAT REALLY I DON'T KNOW ANY OF US UP HERE CARE. AND SO WHAT WE KIND OF CAME UP WITH IS NO, YOU CAN'T PUT IT IN A SETBACK, FIGURE IT OUT.

AND SO BY HAVING IT IN THE GRAY, WE'RE INVITING DEVELOPERS TO KIND OF PUSH AROUND AND TRY TO FIGURE THINGS OUT BY HAVING SOME THINGS AND JUST GOING BLACK AND WHITE, THEN WE'RE JUST SAYING YOU GOT TO FIGURE IT OUT.

AND THEN SO THEN WE WE FREE UP A LOT OF TIME.

AND THE IDEA BEING LIKE COUNCILMAN MORRIS SAID, IT WOULDN'T MAKE FOR LESS QUALITY THINGS.

IT WOULD JUST MAKE FOR FASTER MOVING THROUGH THE TIME TO WHERE STAFF IS NOT BOGGED DOWN WITH ALL THESE LITTLE DETAILS THAT MAYBE OTHER, OTHER GROUPS ARE TAKEN CARE OF.

SO I HOPE TO HAVE THAT BACK TO YOU GUYS HERE BY THE END OF THE MONTH FOR A GOOD LOOK.

ONCE STAFF GOES THROUGH IT AND COMES UP WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. A LOT OF THINGS I'LL FINISH, WE'RE SAYING TO THEM IS WHEN IT COMES TO SIGN CODE, LIKE IT'S EXTREMELY COMPLICATED, MAYBE 60 OR 70 PAGES.

WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. YOU GUYS KNOW HOW TO GET IT DONE.

SO HOW DO WE CHANGE IT? AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY LIKE, MAYBE THERE'S A REALLY EASY WAY TO SIMPLIFY IT THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT DOING. AND MAYBE TAKE 60 PAGES OUT WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE ALL THE ALL THE WAYS AROUND THINGS.

WHAT IS IT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET.

SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE SOME PRETTY EXCITING DEALS.

AND WE'RE MODELING THE PLAT.

I THINK CITY MANAGER RIGHT OFF OF THE DFW WAY OF DOING IT.

SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE REINVENTING THE WHEEL.

WE'RE LITERALLY SAYING, HEY, MAYBE CENTRAL TEXAS IS DOING THINGS EXTREMELY COMPLICATED.

AND SO HOW DO WE DIFFERENTIATE OURSELVES FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT AWAY FROM CENTRAL TEXAS? AND IF WE FIND ANOTHER METRO AREA DOING SOMETHING THAT FOLLOWS THE STATE LAWS BUT IS MUCH QUICKER, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, SEE IF THAT WORKS. IF IT DOES, THEN THERE'S A POTENTIAL WE CAN FREE UP STAFF TIME, MOVE PROJECTS FASTER, AND WIN AND BE ALMOST LIKE, HAVE A A HEAD START ON SOME OF THE AREA GOVERNMENTS.

BUT I THINK YOU GUYS WILL BE EXCITED FOR IT.

ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC SAFETY THAT'S COMING UP.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON NUMBERS. I THINK CITY MANAGER BEFORE THE SAFETY SUBCOMMITTEE MEETS.

YEP. AND THEN THE CO-OP.

WE JUST GOT AN EMAIL TODAY OR YESTERDAY.

DOUBLE CHECKING WITH ME.

AM I THE WRONG EMAIL? WE HEARD FROM THEM RECENTLY.

I SAW A SUMMARY THAT CAME FROM THEIR SIDE, FROM THEIR ATTORNEY, THAT GAVE A SUMMARY OF. BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING SINCE AND THAT'S BEEN ABOUT A WEEK.

OKAY. YEAH. SO ABOUT A WEEK.

THE BALL'S IN THEIR COURT. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR THIS ONE? ALL RIGHT. NINE ONE. WE HAVE POLICE DEPARTMENT QUARTERLY UPDATE PRESENTATION.

[9.1. Police Department Quarterly Update Presentation (Chief Jeffrey Yarbrough)]

CHIEF YARBROUGH.

CHIEF IS APPREHENDING SOMEBODY, BUT.

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IT SOUNDS LIKE I PICKED THE WRONG TIME TO TAKE A BATHROOM BREAK. GOOD AFTERNOON.

NINE ONE. CHIEF. GOOD AFTERNOON.

MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, MISTER JEFF YARBROUGH, CHIEF OF POLICE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND I COME TO YOU TONIGHT TO PROVIDE A QUARTERLY UPDATE OF HOW THINGS ARE GOING IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO SOME OF THE THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT ARE I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON OUR STAFFING. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A FEW OF THE CRIME STATS AND KIND OF GIVE YOU A COMPARISON OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY WHEN IT COMES TO CRIME DATA.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT OUR CRISIS SUPPORT, VICTIM SERVICES, ANIMAL CONTROL, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING ABOUT OPD NEWS.

SO WE HAVE AN AUTHORIZED STAFF OF FULL TIME, FULL TIME EQUIVALENT SWORN OFFICERS OF 51.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE ZERO VACANCIES IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS AN AMAZING ACCOMPLISHMENT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME, CHIEF. HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE WE HAD FULL STAFF, FULL STAFF? FOR ABOUT TEN MINUTES IN 2014.

SO IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME.

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME, BUT WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE THE AMOUNT OF STAFF THAT WE HAVE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND IS WHEN YOU SAY 51 OFFICERS, PEOPLE THINK, WOW, THAT'S A LOT OF OFFICERS. WE GOT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE FULLY STAFFED, WHICH WE ARE.

BUT THE VALUE NOW YOU'VE GOT OFFICERS THAT CAN RESPOND.

YOU GOT FULL, FULL SHIFTS.

WELL THE REALITY IS THE REALITY.

IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER BUSINESS.

EVEN WHEN YOU GOT 51 OFFICERS, IF YOU'VE GOT A SHIFT, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE OUT SICK, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE IN TRAINING.

YOU'VE GOT A VARIETY OF REASONS WHY THOSE THOSE SHIFTS ARE NOT FULLY STAFFED.

BUT WE'RE VERY PROUD TO HAVE THIS NUMBER, AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO USING WHAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THE BEST QUALITY SERVICE THAT WE CAN TO THIS COMMUNITY.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR OFFICERS IN FIELD TRAINING.

WE'VE GOT ONE IN BACKGROUND AND WE ARE ANTICIPATING A NEW ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT FEEL. WE HAD A PREVIOUS ONE THAT LEFT AND WE'VE GOT ONE NOW THAT'S IN BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION. SO WE'RE HOPING THAT WE'LL HAVE THAT VACANCY FILLED HERE VERY SOON.

SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THE CRIME STATS.

NOW IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM YOU'LL SEE THAT I HAVE A WEBSITE LINK.

ALL OF OUR STATS ARE ONLINE.

SO I ENCOURAGE ANYONE THAT HAS QUESTIONS OR WANT TO KNOW OR DO A DEEPER DIVE ON WHAT OUR STATS LOOK LIKE. YOU CAN GO ONLINE TO GOV AND LOOK AT THE STATISTICS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO IN THIS CHART YOU'LL SEE THAT I STARTED OUT WITH THE BURGLARY OF A MOTOR VEHICLE IN 2024, WE HAD 12 FOR THE MONTH OF JULY 2025 WE HAD ZERO.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT 2025 AND YOU LOOK AT HUTTO AND YOU LOOK AT OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND YOU READ THE NEWSPAPER, YOU WATCH THE NEWS, YOU'LL SEE THAT BURGLARIES ARE STILL CAR BURGLARIES ARE STILL ON THE RISE THROUGH CENTRAL TEXAS AT LARGE.

WHY ARE WE SEEING ZERO JUST IN HUTTO NOW? WELL, THERE ARE A VARIETY OF REASONS.

WE'VE MADE IT CLEAR THAT, NUMBER ONE, IF YOU COME INTO HUTTO AND YOU BREAK INTO VEHICLES AND YOU RUN FROM US, THE MAYOR KNOWS THAT MY MY, MY PHILOSOPHY IS SIMPLE.

IF YOU RUN FROM US, YOU GO TO JAIL TIRED, WE'RE GOING TO CHASE YOU.

WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO BE YOUR CONSEQUENCE.

IF YOU COME TO HUTTO AND YOU THINK YOU CAN STEAL OR OR TREAT OUR COMMUNITY AS IF WE'RE VICTIMS, WE'RE IN. WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF ERASING THE WORD VICTIM FROM OUR VOCABULARY.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE BECAUSE THESE GROUPS, THERE ARE GROUPS CALLED THE KIA BOYS. THERE ARE GROUPS THAT GO OUT AND THEY'LL ATTEMPT TO DO A RASH OF CAR BURGLARIES.

AND WE USE A LOT OF TOOLS.

PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE HAVE DRONES. PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE HAVE RADAR.

WE HAVE A VARIETY OF THINGS. BUT I'LL TELL YOU THE BEST TOOL WE HAVE IN HUTTO BY FAR, IT'S CALLED THE TATTLETALE.

OUR COMMUNITY IS GOING TO CALL THE POLICE, AND WHEN THEY DO, WE'RE GOING TO COME AND WE'RE GOING TO TO DEAL WITH THAT SITUATION.

SO THAT IS THE BEST TOOL THAT WE HAVE.

WE'VE HAD BURGLARIES IN THE PAST WHERE PEOPLE HAVE CALLED AND SEEN PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET DOING THINGS. THEY'LL CALL OUR OFFICERS AND OFFICERS GET THERE AND WE HANDLE OUR BUSINESS. SO WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS YOU'LL SEE THIS DETERRENT, BECAUSE WE ARE WE'RE KEYED IN ON WHAT THEIR STRATEGIES ARE, AND WE WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT IT'S A BIG MISTAKE TO COME AND DO THOSE THINGS HERE. DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE BURGLARIES ARE OVER? NO, IT JUST MEANS THAT THEY'RE NOT HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. BUT IF THEY HAPPEN AGAIN, WE WILL CONTINUE OUR INITIATIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DISCOURAGE ANYONE FROM DOING THOSE THINGS. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CRIMINAL MISCHIEF, I JUST WANTED TO THROW A FEW NUMBERS.

SO I SHOWED YOU THE BURGLARIES HAD DECREASED.

DECREASED. BUT I WANT TO SHOW YOU CRIMINAL MISCHIEF INCREASES. WELL, HERE'S THE THING.

IN THE SUMMERS, WHEN YOU HAVE CHILDREN WITH A LOT OF TIME ON THEIR HANDS, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME AREAS WHERE YOU GOT SPIKES.

AND I DIDN'T DO THAT, BUT.

OKAY, WELL, I'M SURE YOU DID.

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MY BAD. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SPIKES IN CERTAIN AREAS AND A LOT OF THIS STUFF, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE EBBS AND FLOWS.

BUT SOMETIMES THERE ARE CRIMES THAT WE KIND OF WILL ANTICIPATE SEEING SLIGHT SPIKES.

THE DWI, I WANT YOU TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT JULY 2024, THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY INTERESTING ABOUT DWI. THE MORE YOU LOOK FOR THEM, THE MORE YOU CAN FIND BECAUSE THEY ARE OUT THERE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR IS ONE OF OUR OFFICERS, OFFICER MORAN, THAT WORKS FOR OUR DEPARTMENT. HE IS A AN OFFICER THAT PRIORITIZES A VARIETY OF THINGS. BUT HE IS HE'S VERY, VERY GOOD AT DWI.

AND IN FACT, BECAUSE OF THE EFFORTS IN HIS WORK IN DWI, HE IS RANKED ONE OF THE TOP INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, NOT JUST CENTRAL TEXAS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

ON THE NUMBER OF DWI THAT HE GETS, HE THERE ARE TIMES HE'S HAD 2 OR 3 IN A DAY.

DOES THAT MEAN WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DWI IN IN HUTTO? NO, IT MEANS YOU GOT A LOT OF THEM COMING THROUGH. AND YOU'VE GOT OFFICERS THAT ARE TRAINED TO DETECT AND REACT AND RESPOND TO THOSE THINGS TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE.

I ALSO WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT WE HAVE THEFTS THAT HAVE DECLINED. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE THE YEAR OVER THE YEAR OVER YEAR AND OUR TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT NUMBER AGAIN, SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE SNAPSHOTS FOR THOSE MONTHS AND YOU'LL SEE EBBS AND FLOWS.

BUT WE DO BELIEVE WE'RE GETTING SOME TRACTION INTERACTION FROM OUR TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT DIVISION, WHO'S OUT IN THEIR PROACTIVE.

THEY'RE BEING VISIBLE AS WELL AS OTHER OTHER OFFICERS, MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE THAT DETERRENT TO THOSE THAT MAY OTHERWISE ENGAGE IN BEHAVIORS THAT CAN RESULT IN ACCIDENTS.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID NOTICE, THOUGH, WAS THE FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL.

WE DID HAVE SEVEN ACCIDENTS.

WAS IT THAT MORNING OR THE WHOLE DAY? THAT MORNING WE HAD QUITE A FEW.

WHICH IS SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT.

BUT WHEN YOU'VE GOT THAT VOLUME OF VEHICLES GOING, THE ODDS INCREASE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ACCIDENT OF SOME SORT.

SO OUR CRISIS SUPPORT SERVICES, THEY ARE OUR SOCIAL, EMOTIONAL, BEHAVIORAL, MENTAL HEALTH EXPERTS.

WE HAVE A TEAM IN THIS DEPARTMENT THAT IS BAR NONE.

THEY PROVIDE TRAINING TO OUR OFFICERS INSIDE THE DEPARTMENT, BUT TO AGENCIES OUTSIDE.

AND THEY HAVE HAVE PUT THEIR FOOTPRINT IN THE SANDS OF SUCCESS WHEN IT COMES TO PROVIDING THE SUPPORT AND RESOURCES THAT WE NEED FOR THOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT STRUGGLE WITH SOCIAL, EMOTIONAL, BEHAVIORAL, SUBSTANCE ABUSE ISSUES.

SO FOR THE MONTH OF JULY, THEY HAD 58 CALLS, WHICH IS A 41% INCREASE FROM 2024.

AND WHAT THEY DO ALSO, THEY GO OUT WHEN THERE'S A CRISIS CALL.

MANY TIMES THEY'LL GO OUT AND PROVIDE THE ONGOING SUPPORT, WRAPAROUND SERVICES TO THOSE FAMILIES. BUT THERE ARE TIMES THAT THEY GO OUT WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AS WELL.

WHEN YOU'VE GOT SOMEONE THAT IS ACTIVELY IN CRISIS AND THEY MAY BE A DANGER TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS, SO THEY LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL PROVIDE THAT SUPPORT TO THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET OUR, OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE IN CRISIS HELP.

WE DON'T. THE LAST THING WE WANT IS SOMEBODY THAT NEEDS HELP ENDING UP HURT.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE VALUABLE, VALUABLE TOOLS THAT OUR SUPPORT SERVICE CRISIS SUPPORT SERVICES PROVIDE.

SO IN THAT MONTH, I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT WE NOT JUST WE WE NOT ONLY DEAL WITH ADULTS, WE DO HAVE YOUTH IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT NEED THAT SUPPORT SERVICES, AND THEY PROVIDE THAT AS WELL.

SO OUR VICTIM SERVICES.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT YOU TO I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 2025, I'VE GOT JUNE, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE JULY.

BUT YOU LOOK AT THE STATS, OUR, OUR CASE REFERRALS TO OUR, OUR VICTIM SERVICES DEPARTMENT WHICH YOU LOOK, THERE'S A THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT DECLINE. DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE'RE HAVING LESS CRIME.

WELL, IT MEANS WE DID FOR THAT MONTH, BUT WE'RE PREPARED FOR WHATEVER COMES OUR WAY BECAUSE MANY OF THE THE SITUATIONS WHEN YOU HAVE VICTIMS ARE OFTEN UNPREDICTABLE.

AND WHEN IT HAPPENS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE THAT SUPPORT.

SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHAT VICTIM SERVICES PROVIDE, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO.

LET OUR COMMUNITY KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE THAT SUPPORT SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN LEFT VULNERABLE TO A CRISIS.

ANIMAL CONTROL. I WANT PEOPLE TO SEE THAT THERE'S A WIDE RANGE OF THINGS THAT OUR ANIMAL CONTROL UNIT DOES, AND WE'VE GOT TWO OFFICERS, AND THOSE OFFICERS GO OUT AND THEY ANSWER THINGS FROM LOOSE DOGS TO PATROLLING.

THEY DO THEIR OWN ADMIN WORK.

THEY GO OUT AND THEY THEY HANDLE BITES.

THEY TRANSPORT DOGS OR ANIMALS TO THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY ANIMAL SHELTER.

THEY DO A VARIETY OF THINGS. AND THEY HAD A TOTAL OF 620 CALLS AND ACTIONS FOR THE MONTH OF JULY. CODE ENFORCEMENT, THE SAME.

YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF CALLS AND ACTIONS THAT THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS DO.

THEY PROVIDE SERVICES AND THEY ARE THE UNSUNG HEROES IN OUR COMMUNITY.

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THE QUALITY OF OUR OFFICERS WHEN IT COMES TO OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND OUR ANIMAL CONTROL SERVICES, THEY ARE SOMETHING SPECIAL.

AND I AM REALLY, REALLY BLESSED AND FORTUNATE TO BE WORKING IN A IN A DEPARTMENT WITH PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY SERVE, AND THEY CARE ABOUT WHAT THEY DO. SO THE LAST THING I WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH IS I WANT TO SHARE A VIDEO. BUT BEFORE I DO, I'M GOING TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT.

MANY OF YOU KNOW, WE HAD A TRAGIC SITUATION THAT HAPPENED IN OUR COMMUNITY LAST MONTH WHERE WE HAD A BARRICADED SUBJECT AND ULTIMATELY WE HAD TO HAVE OUR SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM, OUR SRT, WHICH IS OUR WHICH MOST PEOPLE KNOW AS A SWAT TEAM. WE HAD TO CALL THEM OUT AND WE HAD TO CALL EMERGENCY SERVICES AND WE HAD FIRE.

WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE THERE WAS A SITUATION THAT OCCURRED IN A HOUSE BETWEEN A MAN AND HIS WIFE, WHERE SHOTS WERE FIRED, AND THE VICTIM WAS THANKFULLY REMOVED FROM THE HOME, AND THE INDIVIDUAL BARRICADED HIMSELF IN THE HOUSE.

AND SO WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING WAS RESPONDING TO THAT LOCATION.

WE PUT OFFICERS IN STRATEGIC POSITIONS TO SET UP A PERIMETER.

WE BROUGHT A DRONE IN SO THAT WE COULD GET CLOSE, AS WE COULD GET FEEDBACK AND DATA THAT OUR OUR SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM COULD PROCESS SO THAT WE WOULD KNOW THE BEST APPROACH. WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AND HOW TO RESPOND EFFECTIVELY. SOME PEOPLE WE'VE WE'VE WE'VE HEARD THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WHY AM I NOT GETTING A RESPONSE OR A NOTIFICATION? WELL, THERE'S A SYSTEM THAT YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN YOUR IN YOUR AREA AND WE DO A GEOFENCE AND WE NOTIFY PEOPLE.

AND THEN THERE ARE TIMES THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN NOTIFIED AS WELL. BUT THE REALITY IS THOSE THAT ARE WITHIN THAT PERIMETER THAT WE'VE GOT SECURE AND WE KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT THAT SITUATION CONTAINED, WE WILL NOTIFY PEOPLE THERE, BUT WE MAY NOT NOTIFY PEOPLE ACROSS TOWN OR THREE STREETS OVER BECAUSE WE'VE GOT IT CONTAINED TO ONE AREA, WHICH IS THE HOT ZONE.

OTHER AREAS ARE OUTSIDE OF THAT THAT MAY NOT HAVE A A NEED TO BE NOTIFIED.

THEY TYPICALLY WON'T BE.

SO WHEN OUR OFFICERS ARRIVED AT THIS SCENE, LIKE I SAID, THEY SET UP A PERIMETER. WE HAD THE DRONE GO UP AND YOU WILL SEE AND I'LL.

I'LL NARRATE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.

IT'S A SHORT, SHORT VIDEO.

YOU'LL SEE. WE'RE RUNNING THE DRONE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE HOME TO SEE WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET BEHIND THE FENCES AT THAT TIME.

YOU'LL SEE PATROL VEHICLES ARE SET UP TO THE RIGHT.

YOU'LL SEE TO THE LEFT. WE'VE GOT THAT STREET BLOCKED OFF.

PATROL OFFICERS ARE LINED UP.

GOING UP THE STREET, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE FIRE EMS. WE HAVE OFFICERS WHO ARE OUR SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM ARRIVING IN THEIR INDIVIDUAL VEHICLES, AND THEY'RE SETTING OUT THEIR EQUIPMENT HERE SO THAT THEY CAN PREP TO GO AND MAKE THEIR APPROACH TO THAT SCENE.

UNDER THE COVER OF DARKNESS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A VEHICLE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE LEVEL OF EQUIPMENT WE NEED AT THIS POINT.

SO WE'RE USING A PATROL VEHICLE TO PROVIDE COVERAGE FOR THE PATROL OR THE SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM AS THEY RESPOND THERE.

AND YOU'LL SEE THAT WE STILL HAVE A PERIMETER SET UP. THIS IS AT NIGHT. WE'RE STILL GETTING VISUAL ON THE HOUSE. WE'VE CONFIRMED THAT THERE WERE SOME CAMERAS AROUND THE HOUSE BECAUSE THE INDIVIDUAL SAID THAT IF YOU COME IN, SOMEONE'S GOING TO GET HURT. HE HAD WEAPONS STAGED AT SEVERAL PERCHES THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE, AND HE TOLD US THAT HE WAS SEEING US.

WE HAD CAMERAS. SO WE WERE ABLE TO MITIGATE THAT.

AND YOU'LL SEE, NOW OUR OFFICERS ARE MAKING THEIR APPROACH. THEY LINE UP ON THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE, AND AS THEY'RE STANDING THERE, YOU'LL NOTICE IN THE GARAGE THERE'S A THERE'S A HIGH VOLUME OF SMOKE WHERE A FIRE WAS ATTEMPTED TO BE SET.

SO OUR OFFICERS ARE PREPPED.

WE WAITED UNTIL WILLIAMSON COUNTY BROUGHT THEIR BEARCAT, WHICH IS AN ARMORED VEHICLE.

THEY OFFICERS TOOK POSITION BEHIND THAT.

WE HAD SOME SNIPER OVERWATCH WATCHING THE WINDOWS TO MAKE SURE THE OFFICERS WERE SAFE.

THEY WERE GIVING DIRECTIVES TO THAT INDIVIDUAL TO COME OUT OF THE HOUSE OR WE WOULD COME IN. THEY GAVE HIM A TIMELINE.

COUNT IT DOWN. OUR OFFICERS, WE GOT NO RESPONSE.

NEGOTIATIONS, BY THE WAY, WERE WORKING THROUGH AND TALKING WITH HIM, AND THEN THAT DECLINED.

AND SO OUR OFFICERS MADE AN APPROACH TO THIS HOME, KNOWING THAT WE HAD AN INDIVIDUAL ARMED IN THAT THEY BREACHED THE WINDOW TO THE RIGHT, AND YOU'LL SEE AS THEY STACK UP, THEY THROW A FLASH BANG IN THE WINDOW AS A DISTRACTION FREE DEVICE AS THEY STACK UP AND PREPARE TO ENTER THE HOUSE.

THEY THROW THE FLASH BANG AS A DISTRACTION, AND IMMEDIATELY THEY BREACH THE DOOR.

AND ONCE THEY BREACH THE DOOR, OUR OFFICERS WE SENT THE DRONE IN TO TRY TO LOCATE THE INDIVIDUAL, THE INTERIOR DRONE.

AND AS OUR OFFICERS MADE ENTRY INTO THE HOME TO ENGAGE, THEY NOTICED WEAPONS IN SEVERAL PLACES PERCHED AROUND THE HOUSE RIFLES, PISTOLS PREPARED FOR AN AGGRESSIVE ENCOUNTER.

BUT WHEN THE OFFICERS WENT INTO THE HOME, WHAT THEY FOUND WAS UNFORTUNATELY, TRAGICALLY, WE FOUND THE INDIVIDUAL IN A CONDITION THAT WAS NO LONGER CONDUCIVE TO LIFE. BUT WE HAD THE VICTIM SAFE AND OUR OFFICERS WERE SAFE AS WELL WHEN WE DID THIS ENCOUNTER. THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN OUR COMMUNITY.

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THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THEY PROBABLY DIDN'T HAPPEN AS FREQUENT. YOU KNOW, WHEN CHIEF JONES STARTED, WE WERE 630 PEOPLE.

WE'RE A LOT LARGER THAN THAT.

SO WITH INCREASED POPULATION WITH INCREASED VEHICLES COMING THROUGH YOUR COMMUNITY, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN INCREASE IN A VARIETY OF THINGS, INCLUDING SOME OF THE CRIMINAL NATURE OF SOME OF THE INCREASED NATURE OF CRIME THAT WE HAVE AND THE CRIMINAL NATURE OF CERTAIN CRIMES THAT WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR.

SO OUR SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM, I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WE TRAIN WEEKLY, WE TRAIN, AND WE MAKE SURE THAT WE TRY TO PROVIDE THE BEST EQUIPMENT THAT THEY CAN HAVE, BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE WANT IS A SITUATION TO DECLINE TO SUCH A POINT WHERE OUR OFFICERS ARE HURT OR SOME INNOCENT PERSON IS HURT.

SO THIS WAS A TRAGEDY, BUT THE OPERATION WAS FLAWLESS BY OUR SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM IN ENSURING THAT OUR COMMUNITY WAS SAFE.

THE VICTIM WAS REMOVED FROM THE HOME SAFELY AND WE RESOLVED IT WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL HARM TO OUR OFFICERS OR THE COMMUNITY.

SO THAT IS MY PRESENTATION FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANK YOU SIR.

QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? YEAH, CHIEF. SO ONE THING THAT I DIDN'T NOTICE ON THE ON THE SLIDE WITH THE I WANT TO GET THE DEPARTMENT WRONG, BUT WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH, WHAT ARE THE BIGGEST TRENDS THAT YOU'RE SEEING QUARTER OVER QUARTER WITH CALLS COMING IN MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES HERE IN THE CITY? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU PROVIDED THE NUMBERS.

BUT WHAT ARE THOSE TRENDS LOOKING LIKE AS SCHOOL STARTING BACK AS SUMMER IS OVER? YOU KNOW, WHAT WERE WE SEEING? WHAT IS POTENTIAL TO BE SEEING? I KNOW THIS DEPARTMENT YOU'VE MENTIONED MULTIPLE TIMES IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S STAFFED BUT UNDERSTAFFED.

SO WHAT WHAT'S THOSE TRENDS LOOKING LIKE FOR THOSE FOR THAT DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY? YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. AND SO ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE ARE CONSISTENTLY DEALING WITH, I THINK THERE ARE A VARIETY OF CONCERNS AND THAT THAT ARE, I GUESS IN THE BUCKET.

THEY ARE ALL A TREND, WHICH IS WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF SUICIDAL IDEATION. WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF HOMICIDAL IDEATION WHERE OUR OFFICERS ARE HAVING TO GO OUT AND THEY'RE HAVING TO DO EMERGENCY DETENTIONS. OUR CRISIS SUPPORT TEAM IS GOING OUT TO WHERE THEY HAVE TO DO EMERGENCY DETENTIONS.

WE HAVE THOSE THAT ARE SOMETIMES SELF-MEDICATING ON ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES THAT MAY CAUSE A DECLINE WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR, THEIR BEHAVIOR.

WE HAVE THOSE THAT ARE, THAT ARE OFF OF THEIR MEDICATIONS THAT NEED TO BE REGULATED AND TAKEN TO A FACILITY WHERE THEY CAN GET THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED.

SO THERE'S A VARIETY. THOSE ARE LIKE THE CONTINUOUS TRENDS THAT WE'RE SEEING.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY.

AND AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY NOT ONLY ARE WE USING THE SERVICES OF OUR CRISIS SUPPORT TEAM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE AN INITIATIVE IN THIS DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE BY THE END OF THE YEAR, EVERY SWORN OFFICER IS A MENTAL HEALTH OFFICER.

DOES THAT MAKE THEM THE EXPERT? NO, BUT IT GIVES THEM THE TOOLS AND THE TRAINING THAT THEY NEED TO BE EQUIPPED TO IDENTIFY THE INDICATORS, TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THERE'S SOMETHING MORE GOING ON WITH A PERSON AND THAT PERSON, BECAUSE THAT PERSON NEEDS HELP, BECAUSE THE SO THEY'RE NOT TRAINED AS MENTAL HEALTH OFFICERS.

A LARGE NUMBER OF US ARE.

THERE ARE A FEW MORE THAT AREN'T.

AND SO WE DO. WE'RE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH CRISIS INTERVENTION TRAINING.

THERE'S TRAININGS THAT OUR OFFICERS ARE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW TO GO THROUGH.

AND SO WE DO. BUT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE BEHAVIORS A PERSON IN CRISIS, THAT BEHAVIOR CAN MIMIC CRIMINALITY.

AND WE WANT OUR OFFICERS TRAINED TO A POINT WHERE THEY KNOW THE DIFFERENCE AND THEY DON'T APPROACH IT. FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT. WE APPROACH IT FROM A CONTINUITY OF CARE APPROACH, WHERE WE CAN GET THOSE THOSE INDIVIDUALS IN CRISIS THE HELP THAT THEY NEED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

UNDERSTOOD, UNDERSTOOD.

AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS IN THE VIDEO, YOU MENTIONED THAT WE HAD TO WAIT FOR WILLIAMSON COUNTY, WHO HAD A ARMORED VEHICLE.

SO THEN WHAT DID THE SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM, WHAT VEHICLE ARE THEY UTILIZING? WHY WAS THEIR VEHICLE NOT BULLETPROOF ARMORED.

SO WITH THAT SITUATION, WE WERE WE THE SITUATION WAS THE DRIVER, AND THE EXIGENCY WAS THE REASON WHY WE NEEDED TO GET CLOSE TO THAT HOUSE.

AND WHAT WE USED WAS WE HAD A PATROL VEHICLE WITH AN OFFICER DRIVING THAT VEHICLE.

THE CHALLENGE IS A PATROL VEHICLE IS AN ARMORED.

AND SO WHAT WE HAD WAS PROVIDING COVER FOR FOR OUR SRT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY FOR THAT DRIVER TO GET US CLOSE.

SO SRT GET THERE. OH, SO THE SRT ARRIVED AT THE SCENE.

SO EACH OFFICER ARRIVED IN THEIR OWN VEHICLES.

AND THEY BROUGHT THEIR EQUIPMENT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE THOUGH IS WE'VE REPURPOSED THE VEHICLE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAD.

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THAT WAS ONE OF OUR UNDERCOVER INVESTIGATION VEHICLES, AND WE'VE REPURPOSED THAT VEHICLE SO THAT IT COULD BE USED TO TRANSPORT EQUIPMENT FOR OUR SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAMS. IF WE HAVE A CRISIS SUCH AS THIS IN THE FUTURE, IF WE HAVE A CRISIS, OUR SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM DOES NOT TRAVEL AS A UNIT.

THEY EACH TRAVEL INDIVIDUALLY.

YES, CURRENTLY. IS THAT STANDARD? IT'S NOT IDEAL. IT'S NOT IDEAL, BUT IT'S IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS TO BECOME MORE EFFECTIVE. AND WE'VE REPURPOSED THE VEHICLE TO PUT EQUIPMENT IN TO GET THE EQUIPMENT THERE. ALTHOUGH THE OFFICERS ARE USING ANOTHER VEHICLE TO GET THE CRISIS, YOU KNOW, ON ONE SIDE OF THE TOWN.

WE'RE HOPING THAT THE SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM, EACH ONE OF THEM IS NOT INVOLVED IN SOMETHING ALREADY TO BE ABLE TO CONGREGATE AT THE SPECIFIC LOCATION.

THEY'RE NOT TRAVELING TOGETHER.

THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY, AND IT'S ONLY A HOPE THAT THEY'RE NOT BUSY TO GO SERVICE THAT.

YES. SO TO YOUR POINT, SO WE HAVE SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM MEMBERS WHO ARE ON VIRTUALLY EVERY SHIFT.

AND SO SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE'S A CRISIS, A CALL OUT, THOSE THAT ARE ON DUTY WILL GO IN THERE.

THEY'LL GET THEIR VEHICLE AND THEY'LL GO TO THE SCENE. THOSE THAT ARE THAT MAY BE OFF DUTY, THEY'LL GO AND THEY'LL GET THEIR SCENE OR GET TO THE SCENE IN THEIR VEHICLES.

ONE OF THE DOWNSIDES IS TYPICALLY WHEN YOU DEPLOY YOUR SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM, YOU WANT TO DEPLOY THEM AND THE EQUIPMENT TOGETHER, AND YOU'LL FIND THAT AGENCIES WILL HAVE THE VEHICLES TO DO THOSE THINGS TO GET THEM THERE TOGETHER. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN BE MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE ON SCENE.

ONCE WE GET THERE, WE'RE EFFECTIVE AT THAT POINT.

BUT JUST TO UNDERSTAND.

AND I DON'T MEAN TO BELABOR THE OH NO, NO, THE TOPIC.

BUT IF THERE'S A CRISIS, EVERYONE'S TAKING THEIR OWN VEHICLE THAT IS NOT ARMORED TO THE SCENE.

THEY POTENTIALLY HAVE TO WAIT FOR EVERYONE ELSE TO SHOW UP.

SO THAT CRIME SCENE CONTINUES TO BE A HAZARD TO NEIGHBORS, TO THE PUBLIC AT LARGE.

UNTIL HOW MANY MEMBERS OF THE SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM NEED TO GET TO THE SCENE BEFORE YOU CAN BREACH THE YES OR POTENTIALLY.

POTENTIALLY. YES, SIR.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

BUT I MEAN, IN A LARGE CITY, YOU MIGHT HAVE A DEDICATED RESPONSE TEAM THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY DO IS THEY RESPOND TO INCIDENTS AND WE'RE SMALLER.

AND SO WE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE WEARING MULTIPLE HATS AND ARE DOING OTHER JOBS.

AND THEN WHEN A CRITICAL INCIDENT COMES UP, THEY HAVE TO RESPOND. AND WE COULDN'T HAVE THEM ALL IN ONE PLACE ALL THE TIME, BECAUSE THEN THEY WOULDN'T BE DOING OTHER, OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED THEM TO DO IN THE CITY, SO IT'S A BALANCE AS WE GROW.

I THINK WE NEED TO GROW INTO BEING ABLE TO HAVE SOME OF THE THINGS TO TO RESPOND MORE EFFECTIVELY. BUT WHAT I SAW FROM THAT VIDEO WAS IT REMINDED ME OF SOMETHING I HAD READ RECENTLY WHERE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES PEOPLE THINK IN A DISASTER, THEY'LL RISE TO THE LEVEL THAT'S NEEDED TO GET THE JOB DONE.

AND THE REALITY IS THAT YOU FALL TO THE LEVEL OF YOUR TRAINING.

YES, SIR. AND IT'S VERY CLEAR FROM WATCHING THAT VIDEO THAT THERE IS A LOT OF TRAINING THAT WENT INTO THAT RESPONSE AND THE WAY THEY THEY PERFORMED THEIR JOB AND EVERYTHING.

YOU KNOW, IT CAN SEEM SOMETIMES LIKE A LOT IF YOU DON'T KNOW, BUT IF THAT PERSON HAD BEEN SHOOTING WHEN THEY ENTERED, ALL OF THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN WOULD HAVE BEEN 100% NECESSARY.

SO IT WAS IT WAS VERY WELL EXECUTED.

YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD ALL BE PROUD OF THE JOB THAT THEY'RE DOING AND THE WORK THAT THEY PUT IN TO TO REACH THAT POINT WHERE THEY CAN THEY CAN HANDLE A SITUATION LIKE THIS.

YES, SIR. AND TO YOUR POINT, WHEN IT COMES TO HAVING THE OFFICERS THAT DEPLOY. WHEN I FIRST STARTED AT IDAHO POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE HAD A SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM, BUT THERE WASN'T A TRUE DEDICATION TO MAKING SURE THAT THAT THAT THAT UNIT WAS FULLY FUNCTIONAL AND EFFICIENT.

MY POSITION IN PHILOSOPHY WAS IF YOU HAVE IT, YOU CANNOT HAVE IT. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INVESTING AND WE'RE NOT RELYING ON A REGIONAL RESPONSE TEAM WHICH WHICH SOME AGENCIES THAT DON'T HAVE A SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM HAVE. WE BELIEVE HUDDLE DESERVES MORE AND WE NEED THAT RAPID RESPONSE.

SO IF THERE IS A CRISIS, WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT FOR OFFICERS FROM OTHER CITIES TO COME AND AND JOIN.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE OUR OWN THAT ARE EQUIPPED, AND THAT RESPONSE TIME IS QUICK AND WE'RE EFFECTIVE, AND WE TRAIN TOGETHER ALL THE TIME, AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT QUALITY OF SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

AND WE UNDERSTAND IT'S EVOLVING AND WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE PREPARED TO EVOLVE AND AND ADJUST AND PIVOT IN WHATEVER DIRECTION WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE CONTINUE TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SIR.

YES, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE PROFESSIONAL RESPONSE THAT WE SAW IN THE VIDEO. BUT KNOWING SOME OTHER THINGS IN ACTIVITY LIKE JUNE 1ST AND THINGS, I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO APPLAUD HOW PD RESPONDS.

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AND I KNOW THERE WAS A DEATH MAYBE SIX MONTHS AGO.

AND THEN MAYBE MURDER SUICIDE, HOMICIDE, SUICIDE, AND THEN A SHOOTING AND THEN THIS, I JUST, I MEAN, TO ME, THERE'S A DEATH AND TWO OF THESE INCIDENTS I'M BRINGING UP, BUT, I MEAN, THERE'S A SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND SUCCESSFUL MEN, THAT IT'S MITIGATED. THERE ARE NO INNOCENT CITIZENS OR NEIGHBORS.

DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, NO OFFICERS INVOLVED WITH CROSS ACROSS TEAM, ACROSS COUNTY, ACROSS JURISDICTIONS.

THERE'S SUCCESS THERE. SO I JUST WANT TO APPLAUD THAT, THAT THE TRAINING, THE OFFICERS, THE EQUIPMENT, I KNOW YOU HAVE MORE OFFICERS, MORE EQUIPMENTS, THINGS THAT THAT CAN CHANGE SOME THINGS LIKE RESPONSE TIMES, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THE OUTCOMES, THE OUTCOMES ARE.

I JUST WANT TO APPLAUD THAT. YES, SIR.

AND THEN SPECIFICALLY, I'M LOOKING AT THE DATA THAT YOU ON THE CRIME STATS AND THIS IS YEAR, YEAR TO DATE CHANGE OVER YEAR.

AND IT SAYS THE THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC STOPS DROPPED ABOUT 12% AND THE TOTAL CITATIONS DROPPED 13% AND TOTAL WARNINGS DROPPED 12%.

SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE FEWER STOPS, ABOUT 10 TO 12 TO 13%.

CAN YOU CAN YOU EXPLAIN ATTRIBUTE THAT WHY WE'RE HAVING FEWER STOPS.

SO THERE'S A VARIETY OF REASONS FOR THAT.

SO WHEN YOU HAVE WHEN YOU HAVE OFFICERS THAT ARE SAY ON PATROL AND DURING PEAK TIMES, THIS STUFF IT IT CHANGES.

SO THERE MAY BE A DAY WHERE YOU HAVE A SHIFT THAT MAY HAVE 75 CALLS.

SO THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE DOWNTIME THAT THEY WOULD NORMALLY HAVE TO FUEL THAT WITH DOING PATROL. SO THEIR RESPONSE TIME IS GOING FROM CALL TO CALL OR GOING AND DOING REPORTS SO THEY DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY TO GO OUT AND BE A TRAFFIC AND DO TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT OR BE A DETERRENT. SO THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL DEAL, YOU'LL SEE. SO IF YOU'VE GOT A SHIFT THAT SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, IF PEAK SHIFT OR IF YOU'RE FULL STAFF, YOU'VE GOT SEVEN, BUT BECAUSE YOU'RE RUNNING MINIMUM STAFF AT FOUR, YOU JUST SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE BANDWIDTH TO TO GO OUT AND BE FULLY DEDICATED TO WORKING TRAFFIC YOU'RE RESPONDING TO FROM CALL TO CALL.

SO WE'VE WE'VE EXPERIENCED THAT QUITE A BIT WHEN WE'VE GOT PEOPLE IN TRAINING AND TRYING TO GET THEM PREPPED AND READY TO MOVE INTO OTHER AREAS TO PROVIDE THAT SUPPORT FOR.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE REASONS WHY YOU'LL SEE THAT SITUATION IN A VARIETY OF THE CALLS AT THAT TIME. YES, SIR.

I'VE BEEN DIGGING A LITTLE BIT INTO IT AND IT WITH PD.

I KNOW THAT YOU REALLY JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAVE A 9 TO 5 GUY.

HE DOES A GREAT JOB AND EVERYTHING. SO IF VEHICLES ARE SITTING THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN IT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF VEHICLE WORK BY IT.

IN FACT, I THINK THE PD, IT SPENDS MOST OF HIS TIME WITH THE VEHICLES.

IS THAT IMPAIRING GETTING GETTING RESOURCES OFFICERS VEHICLES DEPLOYED? IT IT IT CREATES IT CREATES A CHALLENGE.

SIR. THAT'S A YES. THAT'S THAT'S A YES.

IT DOES. IT CREATES A CHALLENGE.

SO WE HAVE ONE PERSON WHO IS.

OH, MAN, HE IS A HE IS EXTRAORDINARY.

BUT IN ADDITION TO HAVING THE RESPONSIBILITY OF HANDLING THE TECHNOLOGY INSIDE THE VEHICLES, INSIDE THE DEPARTMENT, THE VEHICLES ARE A ROLLING COMPUTER WITH MANY DIFFERENT TOOLS AND TECHNOLOGICAL ASSETS THAT WE HAVE.

SO HE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR FOR MAKING SURE THOSE THINGS ARE PROVIDED, ARE CONTINUOUSLY WORKING.

I SEE HIM REGULARLY OUTSIDE WITH THE THE DOORS AND THE THE TAILGATE UP ON VEHICLES AND FIXING AND RUNNING WIRES AND TESTING.

HE'S DOING AND THAT'S ONE PERSON IN A DEPARTMENT THAT HAS ABOUT 60 PLUS VEHICLES.

AND SO IT DOES CREATE A CHALLENGE.

BUT HE THE BEAUTIFUL THING ABOUT IT.

ONE THING THAT PEOPLE WILL SEE IS OUR PEOPLE IN OUR DEPARTMENT, THEY THEY DO THEIR JOB AND THEY JUST DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT IT. AND JUST BECAUSE YOU MAKE IT LOOK EASY DOESN'T MEAN IT IS.

AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.

AND THAT'S WHAT HE DOES AS WELL.

WELL, I JUST KIND OF WANT TO I'LL CLOSE THIS UP QUICKLY.

DING DING. IS THAT. I JUST WANT TO PLANT A SEED THAT HAVING ANOTHER FTE A PERSON FULL TIME IN IT DEPARTMENT THAT CAN FOCUS ON PD, SPECIFICALLY KEEPING THE CARS ON THE ROAD AS LONG AS EVERYTHING ELSE THEY DO. IT ALSO WILL HELP WITH, I THINK WITH IT FOR THE CITY BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE STAFF THERE.

WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE FTE AT TIMES WORKING FOR PD, WHICH TAKES AWAY THAT ONE FTE THAT'S WORKING ON THE CITY ISSUES.

SO ANYWAY, JUST PLANTING A SEED THAT I WOULD I WOULD SUPPORT ANOTHER IT PERSON WITH PD TO HELP YOU WITH YOUR RESOURCES.

KEEPING YOUR RESOURCES ON THE ON THE STREET? YES. BOTH OFFICER EQUIPMENT AND THE VEHICLES.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU CHIEF. THANK YOU.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

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NEXT WE HAVE ITEM. NEXT ITEM 9.2.

[9.2. Presentation and discussion with consideration and possible action on water and wastewater rate study by Willdan Financial Services. (Alberta Barrett)]

PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION WITH CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON WATER AND WASTEWATER RATE STUDY BY WILLDAN FINANCIAL SERVICES.

THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. ALBERTA BARRETT, FINANCE DIRECTOR. FOR THE RECORD.

SO AT A PRIOR MEETING, I BELIEVE THE IN PART OF JULY, WE BROUGHT A RATE STUDY PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL.

AND BASED ON THAT DISCUSSION, WE WERE ASKED TO COME BACK WITH SOME DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND LOOKING AT MAYBE A LESSER IMPACT ON OUR RESIDENTIAL CATEGORIES AND LOOKING MORE TO OUR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL AREAS.

SO TONIGHT WE HAVE JASON BACK WITH US, WITH WILLDAN INDUSTRY, OUR FINANCIAL SERVICES TO PRESENT THE REVISED RATE STUDY.

JASON. THANK YOU. ALBERTA MAYOR COUNCIL.

AGAIN, MY NAME IS JASON GRAY FOR THE RECORD, AND WILLDAN FINANCIAL SERVICES, 5500 DEMOCRACY DRIVE IN PLANO, TEXAS.

THE BACKGROUND SLIDES OF THIS PRESENTATION HAVE NOT CHANGED.

THEY'RE THE SAME THAT WE WENT THROUGH A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

AND SO I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO GO OVER THOSE FAIRLY QUICKLY TONIGHT. WE DID INCLUDE THEM IN THE PACKET FOR THE PUBLIC GENERALLY IF THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO HEAR THE FIRST PRESENTATION. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND MOST OF THE TIME ON THOSE. MOST OF THE TIME I'M GOING TO SPEND ON THE THREE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVE SCENARIOS THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED.

IN RESPONSE TO THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AND WE'VE DONE THAT ALONGSIDE STAFF AS WELL.

SO WITH THAT, AGAIN, I'M GOING TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION RELATIVELY QUICKLY HERE. JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, WATER WASTEWATER RATES ARE GOING UP RAPIDLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY. IT'S NOT JUST REGIONALLY, ALTHOUGH CENTRAL TEXAS CERTAINLY HAS ITS SHARE OF WATER COST INCREASES, RATE ADJUSTMENTS ARE PRIMARILY DUE TO ISSUES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE DIRECT CONTROL OF UTILITIES, AT LEAST THAT OFTEN HAS TO DO WITH WATER RIGHTS AVAILABILITY OF WATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS, WHICH ARE INCREASING ALMOST EXPONENTIALLY, QUITE FRANKLY AVERAGE UTILITIES HAVE BEEN INCREASING THE RATES AT ABOUT 5 TO 6% A YEAR.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WHEN WE DO COMPARISONS, 30 TO 40% UTILITIES CHARGE RATES THAT DON'T FULLY COVER THEIR COSTS.

OUR GOAL WITH YOU IS TO PRESENT A RATE PLAN TO YOU THAT DOES FULLY COVER COSTS TO ENSURE THE LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY OF PROVIDING WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICES AND QUALITY FASHION TO THE COMMUNITY OVER THE LONG HAUL.

CURRENT RATES WENT INTO EFFECT IN JUNE OF 2024.

PREVIOUS RATE INCREASE PRIOR TO THAT WAS IN 2018.

AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COMPOUNDING COMPONENT OF RATE INCREASES, WE GENERALLY ADVISE COMMUNITIES TO DO A LITTLE BIT EACH YEAR AS OPPOSED TO GOING SEVERAL YEARS IN BETWEEN RATE INCREASES.

AND BECAUSE THOSE COST COMPONENTS DO CONTINUE TO ADD UP OVER TIME, JUST LIKE THEY DO IN ANY IN ANY TYPICAL HOUSEHOLD, IF THOSE OF THOSE OF YOU THAT THAT THAT WORK AND ARE NOT RETIRED, IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, GO 7 OR 8 YEARS WITHOUT ANY KIND OF INCREASE, YOUR COST INCREASES DON'T CHANGE JUST BECAUSE YOUR SALARY DIDN'T CHANGE.

AND SO THE SAME, THE SAME KIND OF ISSUE HAPPENS WITH UTILITIES.

OFTENTIMES COMMUNITIES ARE RELUCTANT TO RAISE UTILITY RATES.

BUT THE REALITY IS THAT COST INCREASES DO TEND TO CONTINUE TO GO UP AS A COMMUNITY GROWS. IT DOES ALLOW FOR SOME OF THAT, GENERALLY SPEAKING, BECAUSE UTILITIES ARE THE KIND OF INDUSTRY WHERE THE MORE YOU'RE SELLING, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE PER UNIT COST COMES DOWN.

AND SO YOU HAVE SOME ABILITY TO DO THAT WITH GROWTH.

HOWEVER, GROWTH IS ALSO EXPENSIVE AND IT REQUIRES NEW INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE PUT IN THE GROUND. AND LIKE MOST TEXAS COMMUNITIES THAT ARE GROWING, YOU HAVE THE COMBINATION OF BOTH GROWTH RELATED CIP AS WELL AS REPLACEMENT RELATED CIP, BECAUSE YOUR COMMUNITY HAS BEEN HERE A FAIR WHILE, ALTHOUGH IT'S MOST OF ITS GROWTH HAS BEEN SEEN OVER THE LAST DECADE OR SO.

THERE THERE IS OLD INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THE GROUND THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AS WELL.

I WON'T GO INTO DETAIL IN MUCH DETAIL, AT LEAST ON THE CURRENT RATE STRUCTURE.

JUST TO MENTION THAT YOU DO CURRENTLY HAVE A METER SIZE BASED BASE RATE ON A MONTHLY BASIS. AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE VOLUME TIERED STRUCTURE FOR RESIDENTIAL.

YOU'VE GOT FOUR TIERS TODAY.

THE ALTERNATIVES THAT WE'LL SHOW YOU TONIGHT EXPAND THE NUMBER OF TIERS AND ALSO EXPAND THE AMOUNT OF SPACE IN BETWEEN THOSE TIERS.

AND I'LL GET INTO THE DETAIL ON THAT HERE IN A MOMENT.

BUT TODAY YOU'VE GOT FIRST TIER OF VOLUME AT 0 TO 5000 GALLONS.

5 TO 12,000 GALLONS IS A SECOND TIER, 12 TO 25 AND 25 AND ABOVE.

YOUR NONRESIDENTIAL IRRIGATION AND CONSTRUCTION HAVE DIFFERENT TIERING

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STRUCTURES, AND THAT'S THAT'S COMMON.

THE REALITY IS YOU PLACE THOSE VOLUME TIERS IN PLACE, GENERALLY SPEAKING, TO TRY AND DRIVE CONSERVATION.

CONSERVATION WORKS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, PRETTY WELL FOR RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER THAT GETS USED INSIDE THE HOME, AND THERE IS A SIGNIFICANTLY MORE AMOUNT OF WATER IN THE SUMMERTIME, AT LEAST IN TEXAS, THAT GETS USED OUTSIDE OF THE HOME ON IRRIGATION.

WHAT COMMUNITIES HAVE SEEN IS THAT OFTENTIMES THAT IRRIGATION, THAT RESIDENTIAL IRRIGATION WILL DRIVE THE NEED FOR NEW INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND SO THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

AND SO WHAT MANY, MANY COMMUNITIES, PARTICULARLY IN THE SOUTH AND ESPECIALLY IN TEXAS, HAVE DONE IS MOVED TOWARDS THIS CONSERVATION STRUCTURE, WHERE THE MORE YOU USE, THE MORE YOU PAY.

YOUR CURRENT WASTEWATER STRUCTURE IS SIMILAR, ALTHOUGH IT DOES NOT HAVE VOLUME TIERS.

THERE IS A BASE RATE THAT'S BASED ON THE WATER METER SIZE AND THEN ALSO VOLUME RATE FOR ALL VOLUME USED. YOUR RESIDENTIAL DOES HAVE CURRENT WINTER QUARTER AVERAGE.

SO THERE'S THE SEWER VOLUME IS BASED ON THE THREE LOWEST MONTHS OF WATER USE.

WHEN WE LOOK AT YOUR COMPARISON AGAIN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT AGAIN, SOMEWHERE AROUND A THIRD OF ALL UTILITIES CHARGE RATES THAT DON'T FULLY COVER THEIR COSTS. WHEN WE LOOK AT A TYPICAL 5000 GALLON WATER AND WASTEWATER CHARGE, AND TODAY THEY PAY ABOUT $121.84.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT FALLS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE, ROUGHLY COMPARED TO THE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT COMPARISON COMMUNITIES THAT WE'VE GOT HERE.

PFLUGERVILLE ON THE HIGH SIDE, AT ONE 6755 BRUSHY CREEK MUD ON THE LOW SIDE AT 6850. THAT IS FOR BOTH WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICE.

ON THE STATEWIDE PERSPECTIVE, THE AVERAGE FOR THAT LEVEL OF USE IS 8306.

CENTRAL TEXAS AGAIN, DOES HAVE, GENERALLY SPEAKING, HIGHER RATES THAN PARTICULARLY IN THE IN THE THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY, WHICH HAS VERY LOW RATES.

AND THAT LARGELY HAS TO DO WITH THE ACCESS TO THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT THEY HAVE.

CUSTOMERS AND VOLUMES.

AGAIN, I WON'T GO INTO INTO A WHOLE LOT OF DETAIL ON THIS, BUT JUST RECOGNIZE YOU HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE SEWER CUSTOMERS THAN YOU HAVE WATER CUSTOMERS. ABOUT 8000 INSIDE RESIDENTIAL WATER CUSTOMERS, WHICH MAKES UP THE BULK OF YOUR TOTAL WATER ACCOUNTS.

AND YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 14,000 TOTAL WASTEWATER ACCOUNTS, INCLUDING ABOUT 6700 INSIDE THE CITY RESIDENTIAL.

AND YOU'VE GOT 2500 FLAT SEWER IN THE THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE LISTED ON THE BOTTOM THERE. AND ABOUT 3700 WATER CUSTOMERS ARE ALSO SERVED BY YOUR SEWER SYSTEM.

METERED WATER USE BY CUSTOMER CLASS.

AGAIN, THIS IS A POINT THAT I BROUGHT OUT LAST TIME.

INSIDE RESIDENTIAL. AND INSIDE RESIDENTIAL USE TAKES UP ABOUT 66.4% OF YOUR TOTAL WATER USE. AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT STATISTIC FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF AS COSTS INCREASE AND AS UTILITIES NEED TO INCREASE THE REVENUE ASSOCIATED TO COVER THOSE COSTS.

WHEN YOU HAVE A PIE CHART THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS.

UNFORTUNATELY, RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE THEY MAKE UP THE MAJORITY OF OVERALL USE, DOES HAVE TO BEAR SOME OF THE BURDEN OF THOSE ADDITIONAL COSTS AS WELL.

AS WE LOOK OUT, WE HAVE PROJECTED THE THE GROWTH OF THE COMMUNITY ALONGSIDE YOUR STAFF.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING TOO FAR AHEAD OF THE GROWTH.

WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A REASONABLE ESTIMATE OF GROWTH.

AND WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER OUR RATE PLANS, IT DOES ACCOUNT FOR NOT ONLY GROWTH AND COSTS, BUT GROWTH IN CUSTOMERS AS WELL, WHICH AGAIN, DOES HELP TO OFFSET THE PER CUSTOMER COST, CONSUMPTION AND THE WATER CONSUMPTION SIDE.

WE DO THE SAME THING, AND WE FORECAST THAT YOUR CONSUMPTION WILL MOVE UP FROM ABOUT 816 MILLION GALLONS IN WHAT WE CALL OUR TEST YEAR OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS, UP TO 1.369 BILLION GALLONS.

SO SOME OF THE KEY ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE'VE GOT HERE, AGAIN, THESE HAVEN'T CHANGED.

YOUR MAIN WATER SOURCE IS GROUNDWATER.

WATER PURCHASE FROM CITY OF TAYLOR AND MANVILLE WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION.

WATER PURCHASES FROM RECHARGE ARE SCHEDULED TO BEGIN NEXT YEAR, FEBRUARY OF 2026. THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT NEW COST THAT YOU'LL BE EXPERIENCING, AND THAT NEW COST HAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE ON THE RATE PLAN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT. AND THEN ALSO, THE WATER RIGHTS RESERVATION CONTRACTS WITH EPCOR AND RECHARGE HAVE REMAINED UNCHANGED.

SO AS WE LOOK AT THE COST DRIVERS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE, I THINK THAT THE THE LARGEST COMPONENT BETWEEN 2025 AND 2026,

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YOU SEE THERE GOES FROM 0 IN 25 UP TO 4.1 MILLION, THE GRAY PORTION OF THE BAR.

AND THAT'S THE RECHARGE WATER THAT YOU'LL BE PURCHASING.

YOU NEED ACCESS TO ADDITIONAL WATER SOURCE, NOT SUGGESTING BY ANY STRETCH THAT YOU DON'T.

HOWEVER LOOKING AT THAT AND SEEING AN ADDITIONAL $4.1 MILLION COMING ONLINE FROM THAT COST COMPONENT ALONE OBVIOUSLY CREATES A NEED TO GENERATE SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO COVER THAT COST. THAT THEN GOES UP TO $6.4 MILLION IN 2027, PEAKS AT $7 MILLION BY 2030.

AND WE ALSO ARE SEEING SOME MODERATE INCREASES FROM THE OTHER WATER SUPPLY PROVIDERS ESSENTIALLY, BUT RECHARGES THE LARGEST COMPONENT OF THAT.

WHEN WE LOOK AT YOUR TOTAL COST OF SERVICE SIP IS A IS A MAJOR COMPONENT.

YOUR TOTAL SIP OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS IS $232.2 MILLION.

TOTAL FUNDS AVAILABLE IS 175.5.

AND SO SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE OUT YEARS HAVE NOT YET BEEN FUNDED.

WE'RE LOOKING AT A FIVE YEAR RATE PLAN. THIS IS A TEN YEAR SIP.

AND SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN FUTURE YEARS, WE'LL CONTINUE TO MATCH THE OUT YEARS OF SIP.

FORECAST BOND ISSUES. WE'RE LOOKING AT A HAD A $72.6 MILLION WASTEWATER DEBT IN NEXT NEXT YEAR BEING AUTHORIZED AND SOLD.

THAT ALSO HAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON OVERALL RATES.

SO YOU'VE GOT THE RECHARGE WATER ON THE WATER SIDE AND DRIVING RATES AND THE BOND ISSUES ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE. DRIVING RATES 2027 CALLS FOR ABOUT ANOTHER $29 MILLION IN WASTEWATER DEBT. A COUPLE OF RELATIVELY SMALL 8.4 AND 8.1 WATER ISSUES IN 2028 AND 29, AND THEN ANOTHER 26.2 WASTEWATER DEBT ISSUANCE IN 2029.

AGAIN, THIS GOES TO FUND THE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE LISTED OUT IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION IN DETAIL.

THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS.

AND AGAIN THIS IS A COMPONENT OBVIOUSLY OF YOUR OVERALL COST OF SERVICE, 25 TO 26 REMAIN RELATIVELY CONSTANT.

BUT WHEN YOU SELL DEBT IN 26 YOU START PAYING THAT DEBT SERVICE IN 2027? THAT'LL COME WITH ABOUT A $5.2 MILLION PRICE TAG FOR 2027.

SO 2026 HAS ABOUT 4 MILLION IN THE WATER SIDE FOR THE RECHARGE WATER.

AND 2027, YOU'RE EXPERIENCING ABOUT 5.2 MILLION ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE FOR NEW DEBT SERVICE. AND SO AGAIN, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, YOU'VE GOT NOT ONLY A LOT OF FINANCIAL NEEDS COMING UP, BUT YOU'VE GOT THEM COMING UP PRETTY QUICKLY WITHIN THIS RATE PLAN FORECAST OF FIVE YEARS.

AND SO AS WE LOOKED AT THE RATE PLANS THAT WE PROPOSED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, YOU SAW THAT AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THAT WAS FRONT LOADED.

WE'VE GONE BACK. WE'VE LOOKED AT WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE THAT LESS FRONT LOADED AND A LITTLE BIT MORE YOU KNOW, MORE MODERATE OVER THE COURSE OF TIME.

WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED THAT TO SOME SMALL EXTENT.

HOWEVER, WHEN YOU'VE GOT ALMOST $10 MILLION OF NEW ADDITIONAL COSTS COMING ON WITHIN THE NEXT TWO YEARS, WE'VE GOT TO MOVE QUICKLY ON RATES IN ORDER TO KEEP UP WITH THOSE COSTS.

THE FORECAST COST OF RECHARGE WATER.

YOU CAN SEE THERE THE RATE PER 1000 GALLONS IN RED GOES FROM 350 TO 361, UP TO 394 BY 2030. AGAIN, THAT'S PER 1000 GALLONS.

AND THE BLUE BARS THERE ARE THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT WE EXPECT YOU TO SPEND 4.1 MILLION IN THE FIRST YEAR, SIMPLY BECAUSE IT'S A PARTIAL YEAR. AND THEN BECAUSE IT STARTS IN FEBRUARY, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A FULL FISCAL YEAR WORTH OF THAT RECHARGE WATER.

AND THEN THAT GOES UP TO JUST UNDER 6.4 MILLION IN 2027.

THEN AS THE RATE INCREASES, THAT TOTAL AMOUNT WILL ALSO INCREASE.

SO YOUR TOTAL WATER AND WASTEWATER COST TO SERVICE.

AND THAT JUST IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE.

TODAY IS ABOUT $37.8 MILLION.

WE SEE THAT FORECAST THAT TO GO TO 55.6 MILLION OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT PANS OUT OVER THE OVER THOSE SPECIFIC YEARS.

NOTE THAT THE OPERATING EXPENSES, WHILE THEY DO GO UP A LITTLE BIT, LARGELY WITH THAT RECHARGE WATER BETWEEN 25 AND 26.

THAT'S THE LARGEST COMPONENT OF THE OPERATING EXPENSE INCREASE.

THE DEBT SERVICE EXPENSE INCREASES, START TO SHOW UP IN 27 AND THEN GET LARGER IN 28, AND THEN ALSO IN 29 WITH THOSE FUTURE DEBT ISSUANCES.

SAME INFORMATION, JUST IN A TABULAR FORMAT RATHER THAN GRAPHICALLY.

ALL RIGHT. I WENT THROUGH THAT RELATIVELY QUICKLY, BUT I'LL TALK NOW ABOUT A COUPLE OF THREE DIFFERENT NEWS SCENARIOS THAT WE'VE

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DEVELOPED. AND BASED ON THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD AND THEN FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH STAFF, WE SETTLED IN ON ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT COULD BE DONE IN ORDER TO TRY AND PROVIDE SOME RELIEF TO RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS AND THEN ALSO PARTICULARLY THE LOWEST USE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.

WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT, WE DID A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

WE HAVE INCLUDED 2000 GALLONS OF WATER IN THE BASE CHARGE.

AND SO IF SOMEBODY USES 2000 GALLONS OR LESS, THEY PAY THE BASE CHARGE AND THAT'S IT, AND THEY WON'T HAVE ANY VOLUME CHARGE WHATSOEVER. THIS IS A FAIRLY COMMON APPROACH TO TRY AND MITIGATE COST INCREASES FOR THOSE THAT ARE USING SMALL AMOUNTS OF WATER.

2000 GALLONS OF WATER IS NOT VERY MUCH AT ALL.

IT'S LESS THAN HALF OF YOUR CURRENT RESIDENTIAL AVERAGE OF 5700 GALLONS ON A MONTHLY BASIS. BUT FOR A SINGLE PERSON THAT'S LIVING IN A HOME, YOU KNOW, RETIRED, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

REALLY TRYING TO WATCH COSTS.

THIS ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE MORE STABILITY IN THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT THE AMOUNT OF BILL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAYING ON A MONTHLY BASIS, AS WELL AS LOOKING FORWARD TO TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN OVER THE LONG TERM.

ALTERNATIVE A, THAT WE HAVE HERE TONIGHT MAINTAINS YOUR EXISTING TIER STRUCTURE SO THAT ON THE VOLUME SIDE, IT'S STILL IT'S YOU'VE GOT THE 2000 GALLONS.

SO IT'S NOT 0 TO 5000.

IT'S 2 TO 5000 GALLONS.

AND THEN 5 TO 12,000 GALLONS, 12 TO 25 AND 25 AND ABOVE.

ALTERNATIVES B AND C CHANGE THE TIER STRUCTURE.

SO THAT'LL BE ONE OF THE MAIN DIFFERENCES HERE.

THE BASE CHARGES FOR EVERYTHING ABOVE ONE INCH.

WE HAVE MADE CONSISTENT WITH THE AMERICAN WATER WORKS ASSOCIATION PUBLISHES A SCHEDULE ESSENTIALLY THAT IS DIRECTLY TIED TO HOW MUCH WATER CAN FLOW THROUGH DIFFERENT SIZED METERS. AND SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED IN SOME CASES, THE LARGE METER BASE CHARGES IN PARTICULAR, YOU LOOK DOWN THERE AT A SIX INCH WATER METER, WHICH YOU'VE ONLY GOT A FEW OF ACROSS THE COMMUNITY.

NOW, TODAY THEY ONLY PAY A BASE CHARGE OF $974.69.

WHEN YOU RUN THAT THROUGH THE AWB EQUIVALENCY TABLE, THAT ACTUALLY IS ONLY ABOUT HALF OF WHAT THEY OUGHT TO BE PAYING BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT CAN FLOW THROUGH A SIX INCH METER COMPARED TO A 5/8 INCH METER.

THAT IS THE TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL STANDARD.

AND SO NOTE THAT IN ALL THREE OF THESE SCENARIOS THAT I'M PRESENTING TONIGHT THE BASE CHARGES FOR LARGER METERS GET HIGHER.

AND IN SOME CASES SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER.

NOW, ON A SIX INCH METER, WHILE INCREASING THE BASE CHARGE BY $1,000 CERTAINLY IS A LOT. SOMEBODY THAT'S GOT A SIX INCH METER IS PROBABLY PAYING A 20 TO $30,000 WATER BILL. AND SO IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL COMPONENT OF THEIR OVERALL WATER BILL PIECE TO IT. SO YOU JUST HAVE TO KEEP THOSE THINGS IN CONTEXT.

A SIX INCH METER CAN FLOW A LOT OF WATER THROUGH IT, OBVIOUSLY. SO AGAIN, THE THE PRIMARY ISSUE HERE FOR ALTERNATIVE A IS INCLUDING THAT 2000 GALLONS IN THE BASE CHARGE FOR ALL CUSTOMERS AND ALL RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.

I'M SORRY. AND THEN CHANGING THE BASE, THE BASE CHARGE STRUCTURE UP TO THE AQUA METER EQUIVALENCY RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND I WILL NOTE THAT ON THAT TOP LINE THERE WHERE IT SAYS 17% OR NEAR TOP LINE IN THE LIGHTER BLUE, 17% IN OCTOBER 25TH, AND THEN 10%, 3%, 3%, 3%, THE OCTOBER 25TH NUMBER PERCENTAGE NUMBERS IN ALL THREE OF THESE SLIDES IS NOT DIRECTLY EQUIVALENT TO THE PERCENTAGE INCREASE BECAUSE WE'RE CHANGING MORE THAN ONE THING AT A TIME.

IT'S USED AS A BASELINE FOR THE VOLUME RATES.

BUT THE THE BASE CHARGES CHANGE AT DIFFERENT PERCENTAGES BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO MOVING IT UP TO THE WWE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO UNDER ALTERNATIVE A AND WE'LL SHOW THESE IN A, IN A IN A SINGLE SLIDE LATER AS WELL, BUT UNDER ALTERNATIVE A, A 10,000 GALLON RESIDENTIAL BILL, WHICH ABOUT 85% OF YOUR RESIDENTIAL BILLS ARE 10,000 GALLONS OR LESS.

SO THIS THIS HOLDS FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF YOUR CUSTOMERS, OF YOUR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.

THEIR BILL WOULD GO UP BY $11.96 ON THE WATER SIDE.

YEAR TWO, EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 26TH FOR YOUR FISCAL 27, GO UP BY ANOTHER $9.78 AND THEN IT BEGINS TO BACK OFF CONSIDERABLY, JUST A COUPLE OF PERCENT A YEAR, ABOUT 3% A YEAR ON THE WATER SIDE.

AGAIN, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT AND WE SEE 4 MILLION, $4.1 MILLION OF RECHARGE COSTS COMING ONLINE IN 2026, THAT INCREASING BY ANOTHER $2 MILLION IN 2027.

AND THAT'S DRIVING THE MAJORITY OF THESE RATE INCREASES.

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THAT, AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET UP TO THE POINT OF WHERE THE UTILITY CAN MAINTAIN SOME FINANCIAL STABILITY OVER THE YEARS.

CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION OUTSIDE? CAN I TAKE 4140 FROM OCTOBER 25TH, MINUS THE 2748, I GET MORE THAN 1196.

YES. SO IF YOU'RE PAYING 2748 NOW AND WE PASS OPTION A AND YOU GO TO 4140, THAT'S JUST FOR THE BASE CHARGE, RIGHT.

BUT YOU'RE SAYING THE TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL BILL ONLY GOES UP 1196.

THAT WOULD BE THE TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL BILL WOULD GO UP THE BASE CHARGE ON AVERAGE PLUS THE VOLUME INCREASE. SO IT'D HAVE TO BE MORE THAN $12, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE BASE CHARGE IS GOING UP 1392, IT'S BECAUSE THE BASE CHARGE THAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE ALSO INCLUDES 2000 GALLONS.

YES. VOLUMETRIC USAGE IN THE BASE CHARGE, TOO.

SO THAT'S WHY IT DOESN'T END UP BEING AS MUCH MONEY AS AS YOU FIRST THINK ON FIRST GLANCE.

OKAY, SO THE 594 PERSON USES 5000 GALLONS.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 594 TIMES THREE TIMES THREE, WHEREAS BEFORE YOU HAD 508 TIMES FIVE.

FIVE. RIGHT. OKAY. RIGHT.

AND SO WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO UP A NICKEL A MONTH, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT IT. SO I KNOW.

RIGHT. EXACTLY. AND SO THAT'S SORT OF THE TRADE OFF OF INCLUDING 2000 GALLONS IN THE BASE CHARGE. IS THAT BECAUSE YOU DO THAT FOR EVERYBODY ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE? THAT'S A LOT OF WATER.

THERE'S I MEAN, MATHEMATICALLY, THERE IS A WAY TO GET THERE OF HOLDING THAT SAME 2748 AND STILL INCLUDING THE FIRST 2000 GALLONS FOR EVERYBODY.

BUT THAT WOULD MEAN YOUR VOLUME RATES HAVE TO GO UP ASTRONOMICALLY IN ORDER TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT. AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE HAD WE'VE SHOWN A BASE CHARGE HERE IN THIS CASE AGAIN, WHICH LOOKS AT AND SAYS, OKAY, WE'RE EFFECTIVELY PAYING FOR THE THE PREVIOUS BASE CHARGE PLUS THE FIRST 2000 GALLONS AND THEN BEGINNING TO HOLD THAT CONSTANT AND THEN THE 2000 GALLONS AND ABOVE, 2000 TO 5000 GOES FROM 5.8 TO 5.94.

SO WE'LL SEE BOTH DIFFERENT BASE CHARGES AND DIFFERENT VOLUME RATES AND DIFFERENT TIERS IN THESE THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

SO THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT MOVING PARTS.

AND SO WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS SHOW A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE, A LOT OF THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS, BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, A LOT OF NUMBERS SOMETIMES CAN GET A LITTLE OVERWHELMING. SO WE'RE TRYING TO SUMMARIZE THEM TO THE EXTENT THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN.

ALL RIGHT. ALTERNATIVE B MAKES AN ADDITIONAL CHANGE IN IT ADDS TIERS TO THE VOLUME SIDE. SO LET ME GO BACK FOR A MOMENT.

YOUR CURRENT TIERS AGAIN, IF YOU INCLUDE THE 2000 GALLONS IN THE IN THE BASE CHARGE YOUR CURRENT TIER 0 TO 5000, 5 TO 12, 12 TO 25 AND 25 AND ABOVE.

ALTERNATIVE B INCREASES THE NUMBER OF TIERS AND GOES FROM 2 TO 5.

5 TO 10 RATHER THAN 12.

10 TO 15. 15 TO 20. 20 TO 30 AND 30 AND ABOVE.

YOU'VE ONLY GOT ABOUT ABOUT 1%, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, OF YOUR RESIDENTIAL BILLS ARE 30,000 GALLONS AND ABOVE.

SO THAT'S A VERY SMALL NUMBER.

HOWEVER, IT WOULD IMPACT SOME BILLS TO BEING OVER 30,000 GALLONS.

WHAT WE DID HERE IS LOOKED AT AND SAID THEN ALSO WE'RE SHOWING WE'RE WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE RESIDENTIAL TONIGHT.

BUT ALL OF THESE CHANGES THEN FLOW THROUGH INTO THE INTO THE COMMERCIAL AND IRRIGATION, THE OUTSIDE CITY RATES, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

AND THEY'RE ALL TIED TO THESE RESIDENTIAL RATES.

RECOGNIZING THAT, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE COMMUNITY IS CONCERNED ABOUT RESIDENTIAL RATES. THAT'S WHY WE'RE FOCUSING PRIMARILY ON ON THESE TONIGHT.

BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENCES.

WE'VE GOT THE BASE RATE STILL CONTINUING TO GO UP AT I THINK THE SAME AMOUNT OR A LITTLE LESS I GUESS AN ALTERNATIVE, A AND THEN THE TEARS GO UP AT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME AMOUNT. BUT THE TEARS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, ARE SMALLER. AND SO FOR AS THE AS A USER STARTS USING 15 20,000 GALLONS AS SOME USERS WILL, THEY'LL START TO EXPERIENCE COST INCREASES MORE RAPIDLY THAN THOSE ON THE LOW END OF USE. AGAIN, YOUR AVERAGE USE YEAR YEAR LONG WIDE IS 5700 GALLONS, 85% OF YOUR BILLS ACROSS THE COURSE OF A YEAR ON A RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT FALL BELOW 10,000 GALLONS. SO WHEN WE SHOWED 1116 HERE ON A MONTHLY BASIS, THE REALITY IS NOBODY USES 10,000 GALLONS EVERY MONTH OUT OF THE YEAR.

THEY'LL USE 12,000 GALLONS IN THE SUMMER, AND THEY'LL USE 5000 GALLONS IN THE WINTER.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES BUT WHEN THEY USE 10,000 GALLONS, THAT'D BE $11.16 INCREASE UNDER ALTERNATIVE B YOU CAN SEE HERE WE'VE SHOWN THEN FOR THE OUT

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YEARS AS WELL. IT GOES UP TO 1359 IN THE SECOND YEAR AND THEN DROPS TO IN THE TWO AND A QUARTER RANGE FOR YEARS THREE THROUGH FIVE.

FINALLY, ALTERNATIVE C IS ONE WHERE WE HAVE TRIED TO KEEP THE.

THE SMALLEST USERS COST DOWN AS MUCH AS WE REASONABLY CAN.

AND SO THE BASE CHARGE STILL GOES UP TO 4085.

BUT THOSE FIRST 5000 GALLONS, INSTEAD OF GOING UP TO 579 AS IT SHOWS IN ALTERNATIVE B. ALL RIGHT.

533 WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT YOU HAVE TO THEN CHARGE MORE AT THE HIGH END IN ORDER TO MAKE UP THE REVENUE. ALL THREE OF THESE GENERATE APPROXIMATELY THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE IN EACH YEAR. AND SO THE QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU GET THERE AND HOW DOES THAT IMPACT USERS OVER TIME AS WELL. AND WE DID WANT TO SHOW NOT JUST THE FIRST YEAR IMPACT AS I DID IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, BUT REALLY THE OUTLOOK HERE, THE FIVE YEARS OF IMPACT.

SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE.

SEE, IT'S 831 IN THE FIRST YEAR, BUT IT GOES UP BY 15 IN THE SECOND YEAR AND THEN DOWN TO 2 OR 2 AND A QUARTER IN YEARS THREE THROUGH FIVE.

IF I GO BACK, ALTERNATIVE B HAS A HIGHER INCREASE IN YEAR ONE, BUT A LITTLE LESS INCREASE IN YEAR TWO.

ALTERNATIVE A HAS A MIDDLE INCREASE IN YEAR ONE AND THEN A LITTLE BIT LOWER INCREASE IN YEAR TWO. BUT THE YEARS THREE THROUGH FIVE INCREASES ARE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AS WELL.

AND SO AGAIN THE IDEA HERE IS NOT TO GENERATE MORE OR LESS REVENUE IN ANY ONE OF THESE SCENARIOS. THE IDEA IS TO MORE, MORE EFFECTIVELY TRANSLATE THAT COST IN WAYS THAT ARE DRIVING THE PUBLIC POLICY WATER.

I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. JASON, YOU DON'T HAVE ON THE ON THE VOLUME.

YOU DON'T HAVE THE PERCENTAGES BREAK BROKEN OUT FOR RESIDENTS USAGE.

DO YOU LIKE HOW YOU SAID ON ALTERNATIVE B? I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK I'VE GOT THAT IN THE PRESENTATION.

OKAY. BUT WE DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

OKAY. THAT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE JUST BECAUSE LIKE LOOKING AT ALL THREE OPTIONS, RIGHT. OPTION C TO ME LOOKS THE MOST APPEALING BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY USERS THAT GO ABOVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF VOLUME RATE.

AND SO KIND OF EVENING IT OUT THAT WAY WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE IN MY OPINION.

BUT IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF CITIZEN AS BEST YOU CAN THE CITIZEN PERCENTAGE THERE, JUST SO WE COULD SEE.

HEY, DOES THIS ACTUALLY MAKE SENSE? VERSUS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TAKING A SHOT IN THE DARK WITH, HEY, YOU KNOW, 30,000 USERS, MAYBE.

MAYBE NOT. YEAH. SO AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON THE MONTH, RIGHT. AND AND IT'D BE GOOD TO SEE THOSE TRENDS.

SURE. YEAH. AND WE'VE GOT ALL THAT ON A MONTHLY BASIS AND WE CAN SHOW YOU AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE IT INCLUDED IN THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT, BUT WE CAN PREPARE A CHART THAT SHOWS ON A RESIDENTIAL BASIS, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW MANY BILLS FALL WITHIN EACH ONE OF THOSE TIERS.

AND WE COUNT IT BY BILLS SIMPLY BECAUSE, AGAIN A USER MIGHT FALL IN IN ONE TIER IN ONE MONTH AND A DIFFERENT TIER IN ANOTHER MONTH. SO WE JUST COUNT COUNT THE NUMBER OF BILLS.

AND JUST WITH, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT COMING IT'D BE INTERESTING TO KIND OF SEE THOSE AND TRY TO PREDICT WHAT IS POTENTIALLY ON THE HORIZON AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, NEW NEIGHBORHOODS, USERS, WHAT WHAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE COULD PREDICT IN THE FUTURE AND ARE WE TRENDING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION? I THINK THAT'D BE REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE. YEAH, YEAH. WE CAN AGAIN, WE CAN SHARE THAT.

THANK YOU. SO I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, ALTERNATIVE C THAT HAS THE LOWEST IMPACT TO THE LOW USERS RELATIVELY LOW USERS IN IN THE FIRST YEAR AND THEN A HIGHER IMPACT IN THE SECOND YEAR. IT ALSO, ALL OF THESE AFFECT COMMERCIAL DIFFERENTLY AS WELL. AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT HERE IN JUST A MOMENT. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I'LL SAY IS THAT WE'VE NOT GENERATED ADDITIONAL SCENARIOS ON WASTEWATER.

AND WE KNOW WHAT THAT WASTEWATER COST IS.

WE KNOW WHAT THAT WHAT THOSE DEBT ISSUANCES ARE GOING TO BE.

WE DON'T HAVE TEARS TODAY IN WASTEWATER.

IT'S A FLAT COST FOR ALL GALLONS USED.

AND SO IT'S JUST A SIMPLER TYPE SYSTEM.

AND SO WE'VE STUCK WITH A PERCENTAGE INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR.

THAT WOULD THEN FOR WASTEWATER CUSTOMERS WOULD GO INTO EACH ONE OF THESE SCENARIOS AS WELL. SO I DID WANT TO POINT OUT AGAIN, WE TRIED TO SHOW AND I STRUGGLED WITH THIS, TO SHOW THIS IN A CONCISE WAY THAT WAS ALSO TRANSPARENT.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE TWO CHARTS, ON THE LEFT IS IN BLUE IS WATER AND IN GREEN IS WASTEWATER. THAT'S PROBABLY FAIRLY SELF-EVIDENT.

WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE, THOUGH, IS THE CHANGE IN YEAR ONE, YEAR TWO, YEAR THREE, YEAR FOUR, AND YEAR FIVE FOR A 10,000 GALLON RESIDENTIAL WATER SERVICE.

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AND SO YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU LOOK AT THE SCENARIO A HERE, IT'S JUST ABOUT $12 IN YEAR ONE.

AND THEN IT GOES DOWN TO A LITTLE UNDER $10 IN YEAR TWO.

THAT'S THE DARK BLUE LINE.

SCENARIO B YOU CAN SEE IT IS LOWER THAN SCENARIO A IN YEAR ONE, BUT HIGHER IN YEAR TWO.

SAME THING WITH SCENARIO C LOWER IN YEAR ONE HIGHER THAN EITHER A OR B IN YEAR TWO.

AND THEN YEAR THREE THROUGH FIVE ARE FAIRLY CONSTANT.

A IS THE HIGHEST IN ALL OF THOSE BUT B AND C ARE PRETTY DARN CLOSE.

FOR YEARS THREE THROUGH FIVE.

THE 5000 GALLON RESIDENTIAL SEWER BILL, WHICH IS YOUR YOU KNOW, BASED ON WINTER AVERAGING PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE YOU'RE AT FOR A TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL BILL. SAME FOR ALL THREE SCENARIOS.

SO AGAIN, SAME SAME BASIS THERE.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT FROM A COMBINED PERSPECTIVE, WE LOOK AT A 10,000 GALLON WATER BILL AND A 5000 GALLON SEWER BILL COMBINED.

YEAR ONE IMPACT ON UNDER SCENARIO A WOULD BE A LITTLE UNDER $20.

SCENARIO B A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT.

SCENARIO C A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT, STILL JUST OVER $15.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT OVER TIME.

THE REALITY IS WHEN WE'VE GOT SIGNIFICANT COST INCREASES COMING IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS THERE'S THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME REVENUE GENERATED FROM ALL RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL. IN THE SHORT PERIOD WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS IS THE SAME INFORMATION, JUST TABULAR AND AT VARIOUS LEVELS AS WELL.

SO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I'LL POINT OUT IS IF YOU COMBINE BOTH WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICE FOR A 2000 GALLON USER.

THEY GO FROM 87 TO 61 TODAY.

UNDER SCENARIO A UP TO 9687.

THAT'S THE HIGHEST IN YEAR ONE.

AND THEN 107 11 IN YEAR TWO.

SO FOR A 2000 GALLON USER IT'S A $9 INCREASE ROUGHLY.

WHICH AGAIN RECOGNIZING THAT 2000 GALLON USER THAT'S LIKELY A FIXED INCOME KIND OF HOUSEHOLD $9 A MONTH IS SIGNIFICANT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, $11 A MONTH THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

ALSO SIGNIFICANT. IT DOES START BACKING OFF AFTER 28, 29 AND 30 WHEN WE PUT THESE TOGETHER AT 2000 GALLONS, 5000 GALLONS, TEN AND FIVE, WHICH AGAIN, IS A FAIRLY A FAIRLY TYPICAL.

WE ALSO WANTED TO SHOW THE COMMERCIAL IMPACT.

SO A 20,000 GALLON USER, THEIR BILL WOULD GO UP SOMEWHERE IN THE IN THE 65 TO $70 RANGE. A 250,000 GALLON USER WOULD GO UP SOMEWHERE IN THE 8 TO 900 RANGE AND A 2.5 MILLION GALLON USER, WHICH IS ONE OF YOUR USE, ONE OF YOUR HIGHEST USE CUSTOMERS AND THEIR BILLS WOULD GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY AS WELL.

ANYWHERE FROM YOU KNOW, ABOUT $7,000 IN SCENARIO A UP TO ABOUT $9,000 IN SCENARIO C ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

THAT'S PROBABLY THE EASIEST WAY TO ILLUSTRATE THE WAY THAT WE'RE RESTRUCTURING THESE RATES YOUR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS WITH THE LARGER METERS, THE LARGER METER SIZES TODAY ARE GETTING A RELATIVELY GOOD DEAL BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT CAN FLOW THROUGH THOSE METERS.

AND THE COMBINATION OF CHANGING THOSE BASE CHARGES AND THEN HAVING HIGHER VOLUME CHARGES AS WELL, DOES PLACE MORE OF THE FINANCIAL BURDEN ONTO THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR AS OPPOSED TO THE RESIDENTIAL SECTOR UNDER ALL THREE OF THESE SCENARIOS THAN THE PREVIOUS ONES THAT WE SHOWED. AND JUST RECOGNIZE THAT THAT THAT HAS AN IMPACT.

THERE'S, THERE'S NO WAY TO, TO GENERATE MORE TO GENERATE LESS REVENUE FROM ONE SIDE OF THE EQUATION AND NOT GENERATE MORE FROM THE OTHER.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF THE, THE SUMMATION OF THESE THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS A, B, AND C.

I DID WANT TO SHOW THOSE IN A IN A CHART AS WELL.

AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE AGAIN, ALTERNATIVE A, B AND C.

WE'VE GOT THE NUMBERS THERE ON A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS.

YOU'LL SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE LINES ON THE CHARTS TO THE RIGHT ARE ARE NOT PROFOUNDLY DIFFERENT.

FOR SMALL USERS THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LOWER.

AND ALTERNATIVES A AND B THAN ALTERNATIVE C FOR A LOW USER.

AGAIN, TRACK PRETTY CLOSELY ON A 5000 GALLON USER, PRETTY CLOSELY ON A 10,000 GALLON USER.

BUT ONCE YOU START TO HAVE COMMERCIAL, IT ATTRACTS FAIRLY DIFFERENTLY.

ALTERNATIVE A IS CONSISTENTLY LOWER THAN B OR C, AND AGAIN, THAT IS LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE'VE INCREASED THE TIERS ON THE RESIDENTIAL HAS AN IMPACT ON THE COMMERCIAL AS WELL.

250,000 GALLON USER. A MORE DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE.

AND THE SAME WOULD HOLD TRUE FOR THE 2.5 MILLION GALLON USER.

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SO I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, A LOT OF NUMBERS.

WE'VE WE'VE MADE THE EFFORT TO LOOK AND SEE HOW CAN WE DO A COUPLE OF ACCOMPLISH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT POLICY GOALS.

ONE BEING, HOW CAN YOU KEEP AS LITTLE OF THIS RATE INCREASE AS NECESSARY ON RESIDENTIAL USERS, AND PARTICULARLY THOSE RESIDENTIAL USERS THAT USE THE LEAST INCLUDING.

AND HOW CAN YOU PROVIDE FOR SOME ADDITIONAL BILL STABILITY FOR BOTH THE RATEPAYERS AS WELL AS FOR THE CITY IN GETTING THE REVENUE IN, IN A IN A MORE CONSISTENTLY STABLE WAY.

AND SO ONE OF THE WAYS TO DO THAT IS TO INCLUDE SOME OF THE VOLUME IN THE BASE CHARGE. THAT VOLUME THEN IS ALLOWED FOR USE IF SOMEBODY STAYS UNDERNEATH THE 2000 GALLONS, THEY HAVE A CONSTANT BILL EACH MONTH.

THEY KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. THEY CAN PLAN FOR IT. AND THE ONLY REASON THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A HIGHER BILL THAN THAT IS IF THEY USE MORE THAN 2000 GALLONS TODAY YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY GALLONS INCLUDED IN YOUR BASE CHARGE.

SO THE FIRST GALLON OF WATER, THEY BEGIN TO PAY FOR THAT AT AT TIERED RATE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE COMBINATION OF THESE DIFFERENT FACTORS OF HOW HOW WE'VE COME UP WITH THESE THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

THE AGAIN, JUST VERY BRIEFLY SCENARIO A CHANGES THE METER BASE CHARGES FOR THE LARGER METER CHARGES IN THE SAME WAY THAT B AND C DOES, BUT IT KEEPS YOUR EXISTING RATES B AND C CHANGE THE NUMBER OF TIERS THAT YOU HAVE GETS MORE FOCUSED ON CONSERVATION AND DOES HAVE A LARGER IMPACT ON LARGE USERS, BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, THAT ALLOWS FOR A LITTLE BIT SMALLER IMPACT ON THE LOWEST USERS. HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE GOT.

THANK YOU SIR. QUESTIONS.

I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. I THINK IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE. I APPRECIATE THE THE FOCUS ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LIMITING THE IMPACT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN TO THE TO THE BUSINESS SIDE.

I LOVE THE, THE OUTLOOKS AND THE PREDICTION MODELS WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT BREAKDOWN OF THE PERCENTAGE OF USAGE FOR VOLUME.

AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE, I MEAN, GREAT PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

OTHER QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK.

I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANKS, SIR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT GO ON TO ITEM 93 PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE

[9.3. Presentation and discussion related to the First Amended and Restated Comprehensive Development and Consent Agreement for Lakeside MUD #9. (City Council)]

FIRST AMENDED AND RESTATED COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT AND CONSENT AGREEMENT FOR LAKESIDE MUD NUMBER NINE.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WITH THIS, DO I JUST PRESS THE BIG BUTTON? NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

MY NAME IS MATT TIEMAN.

I'M WITH TEAM LAND AND DEVELOPMENT.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY. WE'RE A FAMILY OWNED COMPANY. TONIGHT, I'LL BE GIVING YOU A PRESENTATION ABOUT LAKESIDE MUD NINE.

OKAY. JUST AN OVERVIEW OF OUR COMPANY.

WE'RE FAMILY OWNED, LOCAL, AND WE'VE BEEN OPERATING FOR 50 YEARS.

WE'VE GOT 120 YEARS OF DEVELOPING EXPERIENCE IN OUR OFFICE.

AND THEN COLLECTIVELY, WE'VE DONE OVER 10,000 LOTS.

PRIMARY METHOD OF BUSINESS FOR DEVELOPMENT, AT LEAST, HAS BEEN SEEDS AND MUDS HAVE CREATED OVER 12 OF THOSE.

AND WE'RE WHERE THE PRIMARY DEVELOPER FOR THE BLACK HAWK MASTER PLAN IN PFLUGERVILLE, WHICH STARTED IN THE YEAR 2000.

WE FOCUSED ON CREATING HIGH QUALITY COMMUNITIES. I HOPE THAT THAT'S YOUR OPINION AS YOU DRIVE THROUGH BLACK HAWK.

WE ALSO WE HAVE A A COW THERE.

WE ALSO DO CATTLE RANCHING.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE CATTLE COMES FROM.

AND IT'S A GREAT BUSINESS COMBINATION.

ANYWAYS JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW.

THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A I'M GOING TO HAVE SOME MAPS LATER ON THE PRESENTATION.

SO THAT'LL CLEAR CLEAR UP SOME OF THE QUESTIONS.

BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE STORY OF LAKESIDE MUD NINE.

BECAUSE WE HAVE THE AMENDED AND RESTATED AGREEMENT THAT YOU GUYS ARE DISCUSSING DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION, I THINK WE TELL THE STORY OF WHAT HAPPENED THAT HELPED KIND OF PUT IT TOGETHER FOR YOU. OKAY.

SO A PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE PFLUGERVILLE ETJ, THE COMMUNITY BEING LAKESIDE MUD NINE.

AND THE CREATION WAS CONSENTED TO BY THE CITY OF PFLUGERVILLE.

CITY OF PFLUGERVILLE ALSO AGREED THAT IF HUTTO AGREED TO IT, THEY WOULD DO AN ETJ SWAP.

SO WE BEGAN THE CREATION PROCESS FOR LAKESIDE MUD NINE.

WHILE THAT WAS HAPPENING, WE PURCHASED A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO THE EAST OF THAT THAT WAS IN THE ETJ AND THE HUTTO CCN.

AND THE REASON WHY WE PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY WAS TO DO A ISD BOUNDARY EXCHANGE, WHICH IS, FOR THE RECORD, EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.

DON'T RECOMMEND IT. BUT WE WERE TRYING TO GET A SMALL PIECE OF HUTTO ISD OUT OF PFLUGERVILLE, OR SMALL PIECE OF ISD INTO PFLUGERVILLE AND A PIECE OF HUTTO INTO PFLUGERVILLE. YOU KNOW, SWAPPING THEM BASICALLY. AND THEN WE BOUGHT

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ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY BEHIND THAT TO THE NORTH THAT ABUTTED TO BRUSHY CREEK AND ENABLED US ENABLED THE POSSIBILITY OF WASTEWATER SERVICE.

SO MEDIUM DENSITY DEVELOPMENT, WE STARTED CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY OF HUTTO AND THE WHAT THE RESULT OF THAT WAS WAS THE ORIGINAL CONSENTED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE DID WITH THE CITY COUNCIL IN MAY OF 2021.

BIG, BIG MOVEMENTS ON THAT WAS ANNEXATION OF 456 ACRES INTO THE MUD.

SO CONSENT TO THE ANNEXATION.

THE ETJ SWAP HAPPENED, AND THEN A WHOLESALE WASTEWATER TREATMENT FROM THE CITY TO THE SOUTH.

WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. I SPOKE ABOUT THE ISD BOUNDARY EXCHANGE.

IN 2000, EARLY 2022 THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST TWO TRACKS WERE PURCHASED BY INVESTORS NAMED AUSTIN GNOME VENTURES.

THEY'RE ADJACENT REALLY DIRECTLY TO THE EAST, ADJACENT TO THE EAST, OR TO THE EAST OF THE MUD ISLAND LAND.

AND WE THEY WANTED TO COLLABORATE WITH US.

AND SO WE MADE AN AGREEMENT TO INCLUDE THEM INTO THE BLACK HAWK COMMUNITY AND TO ASK FOR CONSENT TO INCLUDE THEM INTO MUD NINE, WHICH ALSO INCLUDED THE BLACK HAWK HOA AND THE AMENITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON THE PFLUGERVILLE SIDE. OKAY, I'LL KIND OF CONTINUE HERE.

WE'RE REQUESTING TO HAVE TWO PRELIMINARY PLANS. WE HAVE ONE PRELIMINARY PLAN THAT'S THE TLC TRACKS THAT'S ALREADY COMPLETED.

WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON OUR CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND FINAL PLATS FOR THE FIRST FOUR SECTIONS, THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE CALLED THE BLUFFS AT BLACK HAWK.

LOT SIZES ARE 50, 60, 70, AND 100.

PRELIMINARY TWO IS THE GNOME TRACKS.

IT'S GOING TO. THAT WOULD BE BLUFFS TWO AND LOT SIZES 45, 55, 70 AND 90. I MENTIONED THEY'LL BE INCLUDED IN THE PARK AT BLACK HAWK AND LAKESIDE HOA. AND MUD NINE IS COOPERATING WITH THE ORIGINAL PFLUGERVILLE AND MUD'S FOR INCLUSION INTO ALL THE ORIGINAL BLACK HAWK AMENITY CENTERS.

SO WE'VE GOT ONE KIND OF WHAT I CALL SWISS ARMY KNIFE WITH A SWISS ARMY KNIFE MEETING AMENITY CENTER WITH A MEETING ROOM.

IT'S GOT A POOL, SMALL WORKOUT ROOM AND SOME OFFICES.

JUST COMPLETED A 4000 FOOT WORKOUT FACILITY WITH A POOL.

AND IT'S ALSO GOT LIKE A WEWORK SPACE IN THAT AS WELL.

AND WE'VE GOT SOME MORE STUFF PLANNED AS WE MOVE FURTHER TO THE EAST IN PFLUGERVILLE AND IN THE ETJ. OKAY. THIS IS A MAP OF OF KIND OF A LOCATION MAP AND THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN. ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, YOU HAVE THE SATELLITE VIEW, JUST TO GET YOU DOWN TO WHERE IT IS.

IF YOU GO EAST ON 79, SOUTH ON 1660, SOUTH ON JAKE'S HILL, PAST BROOKLYN'S PAST THE THE AMPHITHEATER AND BRUSHY CREEK PARK DOWN TO ROW LANE.

THEN YOU MAKE A LEFT AND YOU GO EAST ON ROW LANE.

YOU GET TO THE END OF ROW LANE.

AND THAT'S GOING TO BE WHERE BLUFFS AT BLACK HAWK WILL BE.

IF YOU GO TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, TO THE NORTHWEST IS THE LOOKOUT AT BRUSHY CREEK. ACREAGE LOTS. AND THEN KIND OF WRAPPING AROUND THEM IS THE BLUFFS, ONE BLUFFS, ONE PRELIMINARY PLAN.

THAT'S THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

OKAY. SO THIS IS THE UPDATED CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT'S IN THE THE AMENDED AND RESTATED IN RED IS THE TLC TRACKS. THAT WAS WHAT IS IN THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN.

IN BLUE IS THE ADDITIONAL ANNEXATION REQUESTED IN PRELIMINARY TWO.

THE GNOME TRACKS TOTAL SIZE IS 1888 LOTS.

OKAY, THIS BREAKS OUT THE LOTS ON EACH SIDE.

ON THE LEFT SIDE. PRELIM ONE.

IT'S 929 LOTS. ON THE EAST SIDE.

IT'S PRELIMINARY TWO 959 LOTS.

THIS IS A SLIDE THAT SHOWS WHAT HAPPENED OR WHAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT IN REGARDS TO THE ETJ SWAP. AND I HAVE A FOLLOW UP THAT'S GOING TO HELP THIS MAKE MORE SENSE.

BUT THE RED LINE IS THE OLD ETJ LINE PRE AGREEMENT, AND THE ORANGE LINE IS WHAT IT WAS AFTER THE ETJ SWAP HAPPENED.

SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW HUTTO AND PFLUGERVILLE SWAPPED THERE.

AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE YOU CAN SEE THE AREA CIRCLED IN RED.

AND THE ETJ LINE IS CLEAN, KIND OF FOLLOWING THE COUNTY LINE.

AND THEN THE I THINK THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MISLABELED.

IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE THE THE RED DOESN'T INCLUDE TO THE WEST.

THE WESTERN HALF OF THAT BLUFF SWING.

PRELIMINARY ISD BOUNDARY EXCHANGE.

I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE NOT THE ISD, BUT IT'S IN THE AGREEMENT.

THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE AND THEN AFTER THE ISDS AGREED.

WE ALSO DEDICATED AND EMBEDDED ELEMENTARY SITE IN BLUFFS ONE.

AND THIS IS THE THE ADJUSTED SCHOOL BOUNDARY SITE.

OKAY. THESE ARE THE DETAILS THAT I MENTIONED.

WE DEDICATED 20 ACRE SITE.

WE'RE BRINGING UTILITIES TO THE SITE, HIGH SPEED INTERNET AND DRAINAGE,

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WATER, WASTEWATER. AND THEN WE'RE JUST CONTINUING COORDINATION WITH HISD FOR FUTURE ELEMENTARY CONSTRUCTION.

THIS IS OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN.

THIS HAS BEEN TO THE PARKS BOARD AND APPROVED.

IT WAS SOME FROM SOME PREVIOUS DIRECTION IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM COUNCIL HIGHLIGHTS ON THIS. IT'S THE SAME CONCEPT PLAN JUST IN MORE ILLUSTRATIVE THE HIGHLIGHTS POCKET PARKS.

THOSE CIRCLES ARE 1500 FOOT RADIUS.

SO TRYING TO HAVE POCKET PARKS WALKABLE BY EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE'VE GOT OVER TEN MILES OF TRAILS PLANNED THREE WET DETENTION PONDS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO DO BECAUSE THE GROUNDWATER IS BECOMING LESS AND LESS, LESS, LESS AND LESS GOOD.

OR REALLY, IT'S NOT POTABLE AT ALL, BUT TO GET TO GROUNDWATER IS VERY DIFFICULT.

AND THEN OUR QUALIFYING PARKLAND WAS NOT DEDICATING THIS MUCH.

BUT THE QUALIFYING PARKLAND THAT WE HAVE IS A 3.2 ACRES VERSUS THE REQUIREMENT THAT HUTTO HAS OF 44.3. OKAY, SO THERE USED TO BE BACK IN 2021 AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS STILL EXISTS. SO EXCUSE ME. THERE WAS A A MUD SLASH PIT POLICY.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS IN THAT POLICY WAS COMMUNITY OR CITY BENEFITS.

SO LIKE IF YOU BRING A MUTT OR A PET, YOU HAVE TO BE BRINGING SOME BENEFITS TO THE CITY. AND I KNOW THE MUTT EXISTS, BUT I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH AND HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WILL ARE IN PLACE AND THEN WILL ALSO BE BENEFITS WITH THIS ANNEXATION. SO ONE OF THE BIG ONES IS WASTEWATER REGIONALIZATION.

WE'RE BUILDING A RATHER LARGE LIFT STATION THAT'S GOING TO GO UNDER BRUSHY CREEK.

AND THEN THE GNOME TRACKS WILL BE ABLE TO HOOK TO THAT AND GO UNDERNEATH BRUSHY CREEK.

IF WE DON'T COOPERATE WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, THEN THEY HAVE TO EITHER BUILD THEIR OWN LIFT STATION OR EVEN WORSE IS THEY COULD TRY TO DO LIKE A NPDES PERMIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN YOU'RE IN THE YOU'RE IN THE DISCHARGE PERMIT FIGHT.

WE'RE LOOKING TO PROVIDE LARGE OR LARGER HOUSING OPTIONS FOR MOVE UP RESIDENTS.

SO A 60 FOOT LOT IS ABOUT THE SIZE THAT YOU CAN PUT IT THROUGH A THREE CAR GARAGE.

SO IT'S LIKE A 3000 FOOT HOUSE.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO HIT THE THE THE HIGHER END OF THE MARKET.

I WOULDN'T SAY THE HIGH HIGH END, BUT THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO.

YOU START AT THE 50 AND THEN YOU MOVE UP.

OKAY. THE DEDICATION OF WE HAVE IN THE AGREEMENT 70 ACRES OF PARKLAND TO THE MUD.

SO THE MUD MAINTAINS THE PARKLAND.

IS IS THE REASON WHY IT'S GOING TO THE MUD? AND THEN IT'S A LOT OF IT'S NON-EXCLUSIVE.

SO IT'S AVAILABLE FOR USE BY THE PUBLIC, MEANING ANYBODY CAN COME PARK, WALK THE TRAILS IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND THE EMBEDDED ELEMENTARY SITE IS INCLUDED IN THAT. 70 ACRES IN THE AGREEMENT IS THE PAYING A TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE OF $4,000 AND A UTILITY INSPECTION FEE.

SO IT'S PROVIDING SOME MITIGATION TO ROADWAYS.

IF THESE FOLKS TRAVEL INTO THE CITY AND SOME FUNDS FOR THE GENERAL FUND.

WASTEWATER RATES, WHICH YOU.

INTERESTING. YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT. SO THE WHOLESALE WASTEWATER CONTRACT THAT THE MUD CURRENTLY HAS. THE CITY IS THAT THE MUD PAYS THE OUTSIDE THE CITY WASTEWATER RATE.

AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT THE THE MUD HANDLES.

ANY NON-ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT SERVICES ARE REIMBURSED BY THE MUD.

SO LIKE IF ANYTHING THAT'S OUT OF THE ORDINARY WOULD BE, WOULD BE PAID FOR BY THE MUD LESS.

YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE CITY WOULD QUOTE UNQUOTE, MAKE MONEY IF YOU WANT TO USE THAT NOMENCLATURE.

IT'S BASICALLY IT'S IT'S IT'S LESS OUT OF POCKET MONEY FOR THE CITY TO RUN IT THAN THEY WOULD SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST A REGULAR OUTSIDE THE CITY RATE, ADDITIONAL POINTS OF INTEREST. THIS IS JUST PER THE AGREEMENT.

ANY CHANGES IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN? GET TO GO TO PNC AND COUNCIL.

ALL THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO GET THE MUD NOTICE OF THE VOTED INDEBTEDNESS OF THE MUD.

WHAT? THE CURRENT TAX RATE IS.

ALL THAT STUFF IS PER STATE LAW.

WE COMPLY WITH THE UDC, THE HUD OF UDC TO THE MAX EXTENT POSSIBLE.

THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME TIMES WHEN.

WILLIAMSON COUNTY OR TRAVIS COUNTY CONFLICTS, AND YOU HAVE TO KIND OF WORK THOSE OUT. DURING PERMITTING BUT COMPLIANCE WITH THE UDC. AND THEN ALSO THERE'S A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT IN THE AGREEMENT.

SO A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT IS BASICALLY AN AGREEMENT WHERE THE CITY CAN ANNEX THE MUD IN THE FUTURE.

AND THIS SPA HAS A SUNDOWN PROVISION THAT GIVES A DEFINITE DEFINITE RETIREMENT OF THE MUD DEBT. SO IT'S NOT FOREVER THAT THERE'S MUD DEBT OUT THERE.

THERE'S A LAST PAYMENT SCHEDULED.

AND THEN ADDITIONALLY YOU CAN LIMITED PURPOSE ANNEX LIMITED PURPOSE ANNEXATION IS AVAILABLE FOR THE CITY SALES AND USE TAXES.

THESE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME BLACK HAWK HOUSES THAT WE THREW IN HERE.

THAT'S WHAT WHAT YOU'D SEE FROM A 55 FOOT LOT, BECAUSE I KNOW NOT EVERYONE SPEAKS IN IN FRONT FOOT TERMS.

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THIS IS A 70. SO YOU'RE GETTING INTO MORE OF A THREE CAR GARAGE.

AND THEN THIS IS A 90 FOOT LOT.

SO IT COULD BE UP TO AN 80 FOOT WIDE HOUSE.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THANKS, MATT. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? YEAH. MATT. SO YOU SAID ONE OF THE THINGS SO ANYTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY BE PAID BY THE MUD, BUT HOW WOULD HOW WOULD THE AMENDED AGREEMENT, HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT CITY RESPONSIBILITIES OR ANY SORT OF INFRASTRUCTURE OR SERVICES? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE MOVING INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL. BUT HOW WOULD HOW WOULD THIS AMENDED AGREEMENT AFFECT THOSE THINGS? SO THE OBLIGATION STILL ON THE MUD TO DELIVER ESSENTIALLY A FORCE MAIN PIPE ONTO THE CITY PROPERTY. SO FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE CITY IS NOT PAYING ANYTHING.

WE'RE COVERING THE COST OF LIFT STATION, AND IT GETS ALL PUMPED OVER TO THE SOUTH WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. WE'VE ACQUIRED EASEMENTS AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO INFRASTRUCTURE, NOTHING ON ON THE RATES THAT WILL BE PER THE WHOLESALE WASTEWATER CONTRACT, WHICH IS IT'LL BE THE SAME.

OKAY. IT'S IT JUST ADDING ON.

YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY ADDING ON UNITS.

OKAY. NOW SUBJECT TO AN SCR WHICH WAS ALSO ACCOMPLISHED WITH SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST.

AND HAVE YOU TALKED TO CITY ENGINEER ABOUT THE LAWS THAT WILL BE ADDED ON? CORRECT? YES. OKAY. WE FINISHED THE SCR AND THAT THAT'S AN EXHIBIT TO THE AMENDED WHOLESALE WASTEWATER CONTRACT. OKAY, GREAT.

AND THEN I'M TRYING TO THINK IF I HAD ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

I APPRECIATE THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LOOK OUT THERE.

I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY BIG KEY RIGHT THERE.

AND THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH THE ISD ON GETTING THAT AS WELL.

THANK YOU. YEAH. 28 ELECTED OFFICIALS HAD TO AGREE.

AND THEN THIS, THIS THIS DEVELOPMENT, IT WOULD BE WITH THE LAKESIDE HOA.

DID I GET THAT RIGHT? CORRECT, YES.

OKAY. AND HAVE YOU ALREADY SPOKEN TO THEIR HOA BOARD? YES. I'M, I'M UNFORTUNATELY THE DECLARANT MEMBER OF THE BOARD.

SO I'M ON THE BOARD. COOL.

SO IT'S STILL IN, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY DEVELOPER CONTROL IF YOU WANT TO USE THAT TERMINOLOGY. DECLARANT CONTROL.

OKAY. YEAH. SO IT'LL WE'LL ANNEX IT IN.

OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. NO PROBLEM. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKLAND.

SO YOU SAID ALL THAT THE PARKS WOULD BE MAINTAINED AND DEDICATED TO THE MUD.

CORRECT. AND THEY WOULD STAY THERE. SO AT SOME POINT AFTER I'M PROBABLY DEAD, THIS IS GOING TO BE ANNEXED TO THE CITY.

WOULD THAT STAY UNDER THE HOA CONTROL? THEY WOULD STILL MAINTAIN THE PARKS, OR WOULD THOSE BECOME UNDER CITY CONTROL AND THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE PARKS? YEAH.

SO GOOD QUESTION. THE STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT HAS A MECHANISM FOR WHAT'S CALLED A LIMITED DISTRICT. AND SO WHAT A LIMITED DISTRICT IS, IS A MUD. IT'S ESSENTIALLY LIKE I WOULD CALL IT LIKE A SUPER HOA.

THEY CAN'T ISSUE DEBT.

THEY CAN COLLECT AD VALOREM TAXES.

THEY CAN USE THOSE TAXES TO ESSENTIALLY MAINTAIN DRAINAGE AND PARKS.

EXCUSE ME. SO MY RECOMMENDATION WHEN THAT TIME COMES IS TO KEEP THE LIMITED DISTRICT IN PLACE, AND THEY CONTINUE TO OWN THE PARKLAND AND MAINTAIN IT.

OKAY. SO THEN THAT WOULDN'T BECOME A BURDEN. THAT WOULD NOT BECOME A BURDEN ON THE CITY.

THEY WOULD STILL MAINTAIN. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S THE PLAN. AND I THINK THAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY WANT THAT IS TO, TO BE IN CHARGE OF THE MAINTENANCE.

OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, I LIKE THAT.

THANK YOU. GREAT. THANKS, MATT.

THANK YOU. Y'ALL HAVE A NICE EVENING.

YOU TOO. THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS.

I'D LIKE TO MOVE 13 TWO.

UP NEXT. HEARING NONE.

ITEM 13 TWO. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING CITY COST PARTICIPATION FOR HEADWALL REPAIR AND STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AT HUDDLE BIBLE CHURCH.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. FOR THE RECORD, MATT RICHTER, CITY ENGINEER. HANG IN THERE. ARE MY SLIDES NOT IN THERE? YEAH, THEY'RE IN THERE. OKAY.

SO THIS ITEM AS INDICATED, IS TO CONSIDER POTENTIAL COST PARTICIPATION FROM THE CITY ON A REPAIR THAT WAS DONE OFF OF MAIN HIPPO.

THERE WE GO. IS THAT THE FIRST ONE? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE, THERE IS A HEADWALL UNDER MAIN HIPPO THAT ALLOWS DRAIN STORMWATER TO DRAIN FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD WHERE THE SCHOOL PROPERTY IS, TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, WHICH IS A PROPERTY THAT THE CHURCH WAS, I GUESS, DID KIND OF A LAND SWAP.

I DON'T KNOW A BETTER TERMINOLOGY FOR IT FROM THEIR SITE HERE SO THAT IT CAN BE INCLUDED IN

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THE CO-OP TO THEIR THEIR NEW LOCATION UP OFF OF MAIN HIPPO.

DURING CONSTRUCTION WHILE THEY WERE DOING WORK IN FRONT OF THE HEAD WALL TO INSTALL THEIR WATER LINE. YOU CAN SEE ORIGINALLY THE WATER LINE WAS BASICALLY IN LINE WITH THE HEAD WALL, SO IT HAD TO BE SHIFTED OUT ROUGHLY TO THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT.

AND THIS IS JUST SOME CONCRETE THAT WAS REMOVED DURING THE PROJECT.

SO HERE'S WHAT BASICALLY HAPPENED. THE HEAD WALL STARTED TO SHIFT, SO THE CONTRACTOR NOTICED IT. THEY STOPPED WORK IMMEDIATELY, PUT THEIR EQUIPMENT UP AGAINST IT, PROPPED IT UP, PUT DIRT BACK IN THERE.

WE SHUT DOWN THE SIDEWALK.

WE EVERYBODY KIND OF STAYED AWAY FROM IT FOR A LITTLE BIT.

CAME UP WITH A RESOLUTION.

THE CHURCH ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH WORKING WITH US.

THEY CAME UP WITH TWO OPTIONS. ONE WAS JUST FIX THE HEAD WALL.

RIGHT. JUST FIX IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. THE SECOND OPTION WAS TO KIND OF BASICALLY GET RID OF IT AND EXTEND THE STORM PIPE ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY AND GIVE US AN EASEMENT. ULTIMATELY, THAT SEEMED TO BE MORE BENEFICIAL FOR THEM.

SO THAT'S WHAT THEY DID, IS THEY PUT IN PIPE, CONNECTED IT TO THE CULVERTS THAT UNDER THE ROAD, EXTENDED IT ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY, FILLED IN THE DITCH SO THAT IT MAKES THEIR LAND A LITTLE BIT MORE USABLE BECAUSE THERE WAS I THINK IT'S 11 SOME ODD ACRES IS WHAT THEY GOT. AND THEN IT WAS KIND OF DIVIDED WITH A DRAINAGE DITCH IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, NOT REALLY MIDDLE, BUT CLOSE TO MIDDLE.

SO PART OF THE COMMUNICATION THAT WE HAD WITH THEM WAS THEY CAME TWO WEEKS AGO, I THINK IT WAS, AND ASKED FOR THE CITY TO CONTRIBUTE UP TO POTENTIALLY UP TO $250,000.

SO THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE TO DO THE WORK THAT ACTUALLY GOT DONE WAS $652,109, BUT THE ACTUAL COST CAME IN AT 451, NINE, 37, 25. SO IF THE CITY WERE GOING TO CONTRIBUTE 50% OF THAT, IT WOULD ONLY BE THE 225, NINE 968, 63.

BUT THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE FOR JUST REPAIRING THE HEADWALL. AND. SORRY, I GOT THE WRONG THING UP THERE. I COPIED IN THE WRONG PICTURE WAS 189, 460.

AND SO WE TOOK THAT 189 460 AND TOOK NUMBERS FROM THEIR ACTUAL WORK.

SO WE HAD THE 650, WHATEVER IT WAS VERSUS THE 450.

A LOT OF THE ITEMS WERE THE SAME IN JUST REPAIRING THE HEADWALL AND JUST DOING THE NEW PROJECT. SO WE PULLED A LOT OF THOSE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS OUT AND RERAN THEIR ESTIMATE. THERE WERE A COUPLE WHERE I HAD TO PULL FROM OTHER PROJECTS TO FILL IN THE BLANKS, BUT BASICALLY BY MY ESTIMATE THAT IF WE WOULD HAVE JUST REPAIRED THE HEADWALL BASED ON ACTUAL NUMBERS CLOSE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT 161,000, WHICH WOULD HAVE DROPPED THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION OF 50%.

ASSUMING THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO 50% TO 80,561.

AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.

I WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS A BROAD RANGE.

SO THE CHURCH HAS ASKED US, FOR US TO CONTRIBUTE UP TO $250,000.

AND SO THERE'S A BROAD SPECTRUM IN THERE ALL THE WAY FROM 80,000 FROM WHAT, THE ORIGINAL. BY MY ESTIMATES, THIS IS NOT THEIR ESTIMATE.

THIS IS MY REVISED ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT WOULD HAVE COST JUST TO FIX THE HEADWALL BACK.

AND SO FROM 80,561 ALL THE WAY UP TO 250, ASSUMING THAT YOU WANT TO DO FIFTH STREET 50%. SO I WENT THROUGH THAT REALLY FAST, AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I HAD ONE TABLE IN THERE WRONG. BUT THE TOTAL IS 161.

THE SO THE THE ACTUAL COST THAT THAT THEY INCURRED THAT WAS THIS.

451 NINE 3725 THAT'S THEIR ACTUAL COST FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IS COMPLETE.

I THINK WE SIGNED OFF ON ALL OF THE FINAL WALKS, AND I BELIEVE THEY EVEN GOT THEIR CEO TODAY.

SO PROJECT IS DONE. THIS IS THE COST THAT THEY ACTUALLY INCURRED.

AND THEN THE ONE 60 ONE.

SO THE ONE 60 ONE. ALL RIGHT.

SO LET ME TRY TO TALK YOU THROUGH THIS.

SO THIS IS THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS FROM WHAT THEIR CONTRACTOR CHARGED THEM.

OKAY. SO I TOOK THE NUMBERS FROM HERE.

AND MATT LET ME INTERRUPT YOU REAL QUICK.

YES, SIR. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S ASKING. OKAY.

AND SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

COUNCIL MEMBER THE ONE 60 ONE IS IF THE HEAD WALL THAT FAILED HAD JUST BEEN REPAIRED, THE THE CHURCH HAD A VERY GOOD REASON TO WANT TO NOT JUST REPAIR THE HEAD WALL.

IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

THEY WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND PIPE IT, AND THEN FILL IN THAT DITCH SO THEY CAN USE THE PROPERTY. AND THAT'S WHAT GOT THEM TO THE $462,000 NUMBER.

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SO OKAY, SO THE QUESTION BASICALLY BEFORE COUNCIL IS, IS THAT THE CHURCH CAME AND ASKED FOR PARTICIPATION BECAUSE WE HAD ACCEPTED THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AND BECAUSE IN FROM WHERE THEY SAT, THERE IS NOT A DRAINAGE EASEMENT ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY, ALTHOUGH THERE'S A BIG CHANNEL AND ARGUABLY THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A DRAINAGE DITCH ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY WHENEVER THE SWAP HAPPENED, OKAY. FOR THEM TO GET THE PROPERTY SO THEY WOULD VACATE THE BUILDING OVER HERE IN THE CO-OP. SO MA PARTNERS NEGOTIATED THIS SWAP.

SO FOR THEM, THEY FELT LIKE THEY WERE HARMED BY THERE BEING A DITCH AND THAT THEY WEREN'T REALLY AWARE IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THAT THERE WASN'T AN ACTUAL LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF THE DRAINAGE DITCH, WHICH WAS DONE BY THE HOUSING DEVELOPER TO THE NORTH.

SO THERE WAS A MULTIPLE ASPECTS OF WHY THEY FELT LIKE PIPING AND FILLING IN THE DITCH WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

IF THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO REPAIR THE HEADWALL. SO THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD THE CITY COST PARTICIPATE IN THE FULL SCALE OF THEIR PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES OR AND OUR PERSPECTIVE IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SAYING FOR US THE LOW END SHOULD BE AT LEAST THE COST PARTICIPATION THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE HEADWALL AT THE VERY LEAST.

AND THEN THERE'S OTHER CONSIDERATIONS FOR COUNCIL TO WEIGH AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE REMAINDER SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR POSSIBLE REIMBURSEMENT.

GOTCHA. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU.

AND THANKS, MATT, FOR THE EXPLANATION AS WELL. SORRY.

SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AN EXPENDITURE OF UP TO $226,000 TO PAY FOR HALF OF THE COSTS THROUGH YOUR ESTIMATE.

SECOND. AND MY REASONING FOR THIS IS A COUPLE THINGS.

NOT TO KNOCK YOU, BUT THERE WAS A SOMEWHAT OF AN IMPORTANT FACT THAT WAS LEFT OUT OF THIS TWO OF THEM. ONE IS HAVING GONE OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT IT ON THE NORTH SIDE, THAT HEADWALL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT IT'S NOT AS BAD AS WHAT WE SAW IN THE PICTURE. BUT THERE IS DIRT MISSING UNDERNEATH THE SIDEWALK. THE SIDEWALK IS BUCKLING.

AND SO THAT THAT'S A CURIOSITY TO WHERE OKAY, SO THAT BRINGS INTO THE SECOND FACT I THINK WE DIDN'T MENTION, AND THAT IS FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU WEREN'T HERE.

SO RECORD NOTE HERE. THIS IS A SCREWED UP PROCESS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT WATER FLOWING ON SOMEONE ELSE'S LAND THAT DOESN'T HAVE RIGHTS TO DO IT ROUTED BY A DEVELOPER.

YOU JUST HAVE AN OPEN DITCH.

BUT THEN THE SOUTH SIDE HEADWALL THEY DUG UP OR GOT TOO CLOSE OR WHATEVER TO THE HEADWALL.

AND THEN IT STARTED FAILING.

TRUE. BUT THEN THE PART THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE MENTIONING IN PUBLIC IS THAT THAT WAS ALSO NOT BUILT TO THE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED.

AND THEIR ARCHITECT, NOT THE CHURCH.

THE HOME BUILDER MIGHT MAY HAVE SIGNED OFF ON IT.

WE DON'T REALLY KNOW. BUT AT SOME POINT, WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MAYBE AN EIGHT FOOT FOOTING WAS REALLY A THREE FOOT FOOTING.

AND SO THERE'S A DEBATE THAT FAIL EARLIER THAN IT WOULD HAVE ALREADY FAILED BECAUSE THE CHURCH DUG RIGHT UP TO IT.

AND THEN ONE COULD PROBABLY ARGUE, WELL, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE A REALLY SHORT HEADWALL FOOTING.

AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS LIKE THAT THAT GO INTO IT.

AND I ACTUALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF FILLING IN THAT DITCH, BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO LAKESIDE ESTATES, I'M SORRY.

LEGENDS OF HUDO IS ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS.

WE'VE BEEN POURING MONEY. WE HAVE LIKE, $3 MILLION BUDGETED FOR DITCHES, AND WE'RE TAKING ARGUABLY A BIGGER DITCH IN S, BUT WE'RE PAVING THEM.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT, BUT WE'RE PUTTING IN, LIKE, A CONCRETE CHANNEL. AND SO AT SOME POINT THIS IS GOING TO HAVE MAINTENANCE.

AND SO THE WAY THIS GOES, WE COULD SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR THAT.

THEY DIDN'T FILL IT IN.

WE WOULD HAVE HAD A DITCH. AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EASEMENT WAS GOING TO SAY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE AN EASEMENT.

BUT MY GUESS IS THE CHURCH WOULD SAY, WE'LL GIVE YOU AN EASEMENT, BUT THE CITY HAS TO PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE BECAUSE IT'S A CITY'S WATERWAY, BECAUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS DITCH IS A CITY DETENTION POND.

SO THEN MY GUESS IS THE COST OF THAT WOULD BE EXPONENTIALLY MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE PAYING RIGHT NOW TO FIX IT IN FIVE, TEN, OR 15 YEARS.

SO TO ME, THIS IS A IF WE FIX MORE DETENTION ISSUES LIKE THIS IN THE BEGINNING WE WOULD HAVE LESS COST TODAY. AND SO IT'S A WHILE.

IT'S AN EXPENSIVE COST THE CHURCH ASKING.

TO ME, THEY DIDN'T COME IN GREEDY AND SAY, HEY, YOU GUYS LOST HALF $1 MILLION.

THEY CAME IN. THEY SAID, WE THINK HALF IS FAIR AND FOR HALF WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE MAINTENANCE ON THAT DITCH AND THAT HEADWALL IS GONE.

AND NOW WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THE NORTH HEADWALL AND THE

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SIDEWALK AS IT STARTS TO FAIL.

AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S NOT US PAYING ALL OF IT.

IT'S SOME SHARED, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I CAME TO THIS.

IT'S NOT THAT I WANT TO WILLY NILLY GIVE OUT MONEY, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THE PREVIOUS CITY ENGINEER ALLOWING WATER TO CUT THROUGH PROPERTY AND NOT HAVING EASEMENTS IN PLACE AND NOT HAVING THAT STUFF.

IT'S THIS IS JUST A UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S A CLEAN UP MESS AND THEY'RE PROBABLY EATING THE BRUNT OF IT WITH THEIR CONGREGATION.

AND WE'RE PROBABLY GETTING OUT IN MY MIND A LITTLE EASY BY JUST PAYING HALF.

BUT THAT'S HOW I KIND OF CAME UP TO MY MY LINE OF THINKING, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY. SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

QUESTION. SO IT WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE A CHANNEL THAT WAS KIND OF THE, I GUESS THE DESIGN OR THE INTENT, EVEN THOUGH THE CHURCH WASN'T AWARE OF THAT, LIKE AN OPEN CHANNEL. THEY'VE NOW CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

THEY'VE, THEY'VE PUT PIPES THERE ALONG THEIR ENTIRE THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF WHERE THE CHANNEL WAS ON THEIR PROPERTY.

SO IT'S ALL PIPES. AND SO WHO, WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE TO MAINTAIN THOSE IF THE PIPES FAIL AT SOME POINT? LIKE A I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO MAYBE PARKING LOT OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING OVER THERE LIKE IF THOSE FAIL IS THAT ON THE CITY AS IS THIS INFRASTRUCTURE GOING TO BE DEDICATED TO THE CITY OR WOULD IT JUST BE MAINTAINED BY THE CHURCH? THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN DEDICATED TO THE CITY, AND WE HAVE ALSO THE CHURCH HAS ALSO DEDICATED AN EASEMENT TO US FOR ANY MAINTENANCE THAT WE NEED.

OKAY. SO IF WE IF WE HAD TO DO MAINTENANCE AND THERE'S A PARKING LOT ON TOP OF IT, WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST OF NOT ONLY REPAIRING THE THE PIPES, BUT ALSO LIKE RESURFACING THE PARKING LOT, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

WHATEVER THEY DO ON THERE.

THERE'D BE SOME KIND OF AN AGREEMENT OVER THE EASEMENT, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH.

AND I DON'T KNOW, RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THE EXACT LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE EASEMENT. BUT I KNOW THAT THEY STILL GET TO USE THE SURFACE, BUT I THINK BEFORE THEY CAN PUT ANY LIKE PAVING OR STRUCTURES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEY HAVE TO TALK TO US TO MAKE SURE THAT OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT GOING TO WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO TEAR DOWN A BUILDING OR BUILDINGS. RIGHT, EXACTLY. YES. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S. YEAH.

THAT'S FLAT. YEAH. AND MATT, JUST BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAID IS COUNTER TO WHAT I GENERALLY KNOW TO BE TRUE.

SO IS IT WRITTEN IN THE EASEMENT THAT WE ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR PUTTING EVERYTHING BACK TO THE WAY THAT WE FOUND IT, IF WE HAVE TO DO WORK? BECAUSE GENERALLY, IF THERE'S IMPROVEMENTS OVER AN EASEMENT, THE CITY'S NOT OBLIGATED TO DO IT.

GENERALLY WE DO, BUT WE'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO DO IT.

SO IS THERE LANGUAGE HERE THAT OBLIGATES US, OR IS THAT JUST YOU SAYING THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY DO THAT. I CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION EXACTLY, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THE EASEMENT LANGUAGE MEMORIZED.

BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS, IS THAT THEY STILL GET TO ENJOY SURFACE RIGHTS, AND THEN ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY WOULD MAKE TO THAT SURFACE HAS TO BE VETTED THROUGH US FIRST. AND THEN I WOULD ASSUME IF WE ALLOW THEM TO PUT A PARKING LOT DOWN AND WE HAVE TO GO TEAR THAT PARKING LOT UP THAT WE WOULD COST, PARTICIPATE, OR AT LEAST RESTORE IT TO THE ORIGINAL CONDITION BEFORE WE TORE IT UP.

SO WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS, IS THAT THAT'S GENERALLY HOW WE WOULD HOW WE DO BUSINESS JUST BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORLY THING TO DO.

BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE REQUIRED TO.

SO IF YOU FAST FORWARD INTO 20 YEARS FROM NOW OR SOMETHING, AND SOMEONE GETS IN THERE AND AND TEARS UP THE PARKING LOT, THE CHURCH COULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING IT BACK BECAUSE IT'S IN AN EASEMENT.

OKAY. JUST FOR AWARENESS.

AND THE REASON I ASK FOR THAT IS AS WE ASKED THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE OUR HOA CURRENTLY HAS A SIMILAR SITUATION.

WE HAVE A PARK THAT PROBABLY 70% OF THE PARK IS IN AN ENCORE EASEMENT.

AND SO WE HAVE SIDEWALKS AND THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN THEIR EASEMENT, AND THEY BRING THEIR EQUIPMENT IN AND RUN OVER THE SIDEWALKS AND CRACK THEM UP ALL THE TIME. AND, AND WE'RE THE HOA IS RESPONSIBLE TO REPAIR THOSE BECAUSE IT'S IN THEIR EASEMENT. THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW IT'S TREATED, PARTICULARLY BY PUBLIC UTILITIES.

YEAH. WE TEND TO NOT DO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE HERE AND IT'S OUR PEOPLE.

SURE. YEAH. WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO PUT BACK GRASS.

WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO REPLACE SHRUBS.

WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO FIX FENCES.

BUT I DON'T HAVE AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET.

SURE. OKAY. YEAH. THAT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER BECAUSE YEAH, WE IT'S NOT A FUN EXPERIENCE FOR US BECAUSE EVERY TIME THEY COME OUT, WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, LET'S FIX SOME MORE SIDEWALKS. AND SO YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

OH, SORRY. I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION, SO I THINK I SAW AN EMAIL ON THIS.

SO THE THE BUDGETED MONEY IS GOING TO COME FROM.

REMIND ME, IS IT INTEREST EARNED INTEREST FROM THE CIP BOND FUNDS THAT WE ORIGINALLY MISSED IN THE IN THE PACKET, THE THE CERTIFICATION OF FUNDS.

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SO WE WE CIRCULATED THAT VIA EMAIL AFTER THE FACT.

YEAH, I THOUGHT I SAW THAT, AND SO AND THAT WAS THAT MONEY WASN'T PLANNED FOR SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS ACTUALLY FREE TO USE FOR THIS.

CORRECT. OKAY. SO CERTIFICATION FUNDS, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER.

THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

PORTERFIELD. NAY, PROBABLY.

MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

KING. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

MORRIS. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM.

THORNTON. HI. I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU.

MOTION PASSES SIX ONE.

THEY'RE AGREEING TO PAY IT, BUT WE NEED TO AGREE. THANK YOU ALL.

I'LL JUST SAY ONE THING.

YES, SIR. I WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW I'M MICHAEL HALL.

I'M THE EXECUTIVE PASTOR AT HUTTO BIBLE.

WE PRAY FOR YOU NOT ONLY INDIVIDUALLY, BUT AS A CHURCH.

AND OUR REQUEST. AND THANK YOU.

MISTER MANAGER AND MAYOR, FOR ALLOWING US TO MEET WITH YOU AND JUST PRESENT TO YOU WHERE WE ARE.

AND WE BELIEVE THAT TONIGHT HAS BEEN A RESOLUTION TO THAT AND ASK YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING. AND WE'RE JUST GRATEFUL FOR THAT.

WE WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO YOU.

YOU'VE BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO US.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

AND BLESS YOU GUYS. GOD BLESS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 226 226.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM TEN ONE.

[10.1. Continue a public hearing and consider possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-187 authorizing and creating the HWY 130 Mixed Use Public Improvement District within the City Of Hutto pursuant to Chapter 372, Texas Local Government Code. (Legal)]

CONTINUE A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R, DASH 2025. DASH 187. AUTHORIZING AND CREATING THE HIGHWAY 130 MIXED USE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT WITHIN THE CITY OF HUDDLE PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 372, TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.

SECTION. MAYOR AND COUNCIL LEGAL IS IDENTIFIED AS THE PRESENTER OF THIS ITEM. I'M SORRY, WHO IS? IT'S ON YOUR AGENDA. TEN ONE.

YEAH, IT SAYS LEGAL. LEGAL? YOU'RE UP THEN. SO I GUESS YOU NEED TO OPEN THE CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING, AND WE'RE GOING TO REQUEST THAT YOU ADJOURN IT.

UNDER THE SECTION 370 2.0 09B OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO ADJOURN THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

THE ANNEXATION NOTICES HAVE JUST GONE OUT, AND WE'RE NOT READY TO ACT ON THE CREATING THE KID UNTIL WE HAVE THE ANNEXATION NOTICES SENT OUT SO THAT THE CREATION OF THE PIT AND ANNEXATION OCCURS TOGETHER.

OKAY, SO THE ONLY THING WE NEED TO DO ON TEN RIGHT NOW IS OPEN THE CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING, INVITE ANYBODY TO SPEAK AND THEN CLOSE IT.

UNDER CHAPTER 370 2.0 09B, YOU WOULD ADJOURN IT.

THE STATUTE USES THAT WORD ADJOURN.

AND WHAT'S THE WORD TO KEEP IT.

START IT BACK UP AGAIN.

CONTINUE. CONTINUE. YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:28 P.M.

ON SEPTEMBER 4TH. DOES ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO COME UP AND SPEAK BEFORE WE CLOSE IT? WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN IT.

SEEING NONE. YEAH, SEEING NONE WILL ADJOURN.

CAN STEPH TELL ME THE DATE THAT WE'LL HAVE THE ANNEXATION NOTICES COMPLETE? YOU NEED IT RIGHT NOW. WE NEED TO ADJOURN IT TO A DATE.

CERTAIN. SO WE NEED IT TO.

WE NEED IT RIGHT NOW SO WE CAN ADJOURN TO DATE.

CERTAIN. THE OCTOBER 1ST MEETING IN OCTOBER.

WELL, IF WE JUST DO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING, THEN WE CAN RUN IT AGAIN IF WE NEED TO.

RIGHT. SO WHY DON'T WE JUST DO TO THE 18TH? I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH TIME.

I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER.

TO DO WHAT? ADJOURN. CORRECT.

OKAY. AND THAT DATE IS.

AND TWO AND TWO. ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN WE'LL ADJOURN.

DOES THIS NEED TO BE A MOTION? AM I JUST SAYING IT WITHOUT OBJECTION? I GUESS NOBODY WANTED TO SPEAK. SO THEN TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING YOU WOULD ASK A MOTION TO ADJOURN IT TO OCTOBER 2ND.

ALL RIGHT. SO MOVED. SECOND.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION. ALL THESE THINGS ARE COMPLICATED.

THE SECOND TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING FROM CHAPTER 370 2.0 09B TO OCTOBER 2ND.

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THAT WORKS. ALL RIGHT.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. WHO IS THE FIRST IN THE PORTERFIELD AND THEN GORDON.

OKAY. YEAH. AND YOU HAVE TO APOLOGIZE.

ONE MINUTE WE'RE MAKING MOTIONS AND WE'RE DISCUSSING. NEXT THING YOU KNOW WHAT? FORGOT. Y'ALL GIVE ME ZINGERS. OKAY.

COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON COUNCIL MEMBER KING, I MAYOR SNYDER, I COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS, I MAYOR PRO TEM.

THORNTON A COUNCIL MEMBER.

THOMPSON A COUNCIL MEMBER.

PORTERFIELD I. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

NEXT WE HAVE ITEM TEN TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND RELATED ITEMS IN CONSIDERATION.

[10.2. Conduct a public hearing and related items in consideration and possible action to approve Ordinance No. 0-2025-033 of the City of Hutto, Texas approving and adopting a budget for the City of Hutto for the Fiscal Year beginning October 1, 2025 and ending September 30, 2026 for the City of Hutto, Texas. (Alberta Barrett)]

POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025.

DASH 033 OF THE CITY OF HUTTO, TEXAS, APPROVING AND ADOPTING A BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2025 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2026 FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO.

SO WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:31 P.M..

IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK REGARDING OUR BUDGET? SEEING NO ONE.

WE'LL CLOSE IT AT 9:31 P.M..

ALBERTA. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL. ALBERTA BARRETT, FINANCE DIRECTOR.

FOR THE RECORD. SO WHAT WE SENT OUT IN A SEPARATE COVER WAS A SUMMARIZATION OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE REQUESTED AT THE AUGUST 21ST MEETING AND THEN CHANGES THAT WE HAD PROPOSED TO US ON AUGUST 14TH.

SO WE COMBINED THOSE CHANGES AND PREPARED A REVISED BUDGET FOR YOU.

SO IN SUMMARY, FOR THE REVENUES WE ADDED 01,118,002 48.

AND THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS A TRANSFER IN FROM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND 480,748, WHICH WILL OFFSET SALARY AND BENEFITS FOR THE TWO NEW POSITIONS THAT WERE APPROVED FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY ENGINEER AND THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, PLUS ANY OF THE OTHER EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE AS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS THE CIP PROJECT MANAGERS AND THE CIP ENGINEER THE OTHER LARGE ITEM WAS 600,000 THAT WE WOULD RECORD TO SETTLEMENTS WHICH IS THE SETTLEMENT OF A RECENT LAWSUIT OF 600,000. SO THAT'S RECORDED AS A REVENUE.

OKAY. SO MOVING TO EXPENDITURES.

SO THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE THERE ARE THE SALARIES AND BENEFITS RELATED TO THE RIGHT OF WAY ENGINEER AND THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER THAT WERE APPROVED ON AUGUST 14TH, AND THOSE TOTALED 270,947.

WE INCLUDED AN INCREASE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR SOFTWARE AND LICENSING MAINTENANCE FEES OF 36,500 RELATED TO FLOCK CAMERA EXPENDITURES.

WE INCLUDED 250,000 THAT WAS RECOMMENDED ON AUGUST 21ST FOR THE UBER RIDESHARE PROGRAM.

IN TOTAL FOR VEHICLE ALLOWANCES WE REDUCED BY 15,000.

LET'S SEE. FOOD AND MEALS.

WE REDUCED BY 3250 FOR THE EXECUTIVE CONFERENCE ROOM.

WE ADDED 156,993 FOR THE ADDITION OF A K-9 OFFICER TO BEGIN MID-YEAR.

SO IT IS THE SALARIES, BENEFITS THE K-9, THE TRAINING FOR IT THE VEHICLE AND ALL THE ADDITIONAL EXPENSES RELATED TO ADDITION OF A NEW OFFICER.

THE NEXT GROUP IS ADJUSTING THE TRAINING AND TRAVEL RELATED TO, YOU THE THREE AREAS OF THE A2 TEAM, THE STRATEGIC OPS TEAM, AND THE COMMUNITY AND CULTURE DIVISION.

SO THAT IS A TOTAL OF 17,139 THAT WE REDUCED.

WE INCLUDED AN INCREASE FOR HEALTH INSURANCE AT 56,414 FOR THE GENERAL FUND AND FOR THE PROPOSED CITY STAFF REORGANIZATION.

THERE'S A SAVINGS OF $221.

SO YOUR NET TOTAL CHANGE TO YOUR EXPENDITURES FOR THE GENERAL FUND COME TO A TOTAL OF 35,000,498, WITH 159. WHEN YOU OFFSET THAT TO THE REVENUES YOU'LL ADD 383,494 TO YOUR FUND

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BALANCE WITH A PROJECTED ENDING FUND BALANCE AT SEPTEMBER OF 26, AT 8,000,003 95 TO 238, WHICH PUTS YOU AT 23.9 OR, SAY, 24% OF OUR FUND BALANCE REQUIREMENT.

AND I KNOW OUR GOAL IS 25%, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT AT THIS POINT.

OKAY. THANK YOU MA'AM.

GENERAL FUNDS AT THE BOTTOM.

IT'S REAL SMALL. WE JUST MADE TWO CHANGES THERE.

ONE. SORRY. IS THAT NOT WHAT I SAID.

OH I STILL GOT GENERAL FUND ON THE RIGHT.

OKAY. LET ME RESTART. SO THE UTILITY FUNDS AT THE BOTTOM TWO CHANGES.

WE REDUCED THE VEHICLE ALLOWANCE FOR THE POSITION THAT'S IN THE UTILITY FUND.

AND WE PUT A PLACEHOLDER FOR THE HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASE, WHICH WAS 8586. SO THEY HAVE A FUND ENDING FUND BALANCE PROJECTED AT 8,000,003 73 488, WHICH IS REALLY ABOUT 21% OF THE 25% RESERVE REQUIREMENT OF OUR GOAL.

THE OTHER ONE IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND.

I KNOW MOST OF YOU KNOW THAT WE HAD A EDC BOARD MEETING EARLIER THIS WEEK.

AND THEY APPROVED THE CHANGES.

BUT BASICALLY WHAT WE DID THERE IS MOVED OUT SOME LAND SALES FROM 25 TO 26.

INCLUDED THE LOAN PAYOFF IN 26 VERSUS THIS YEAR, AS WELL AS THE INTEREST ON THAT LOAN.

AND THEN WE DID REDUCTIONS.

SO ACTUALLY YOU HAVE IF THE LAND SALES GO THROUGH, YOU'LL HAVE AN ADDITION TO FUND BALANCE OF OVER 26 MILLION.

THE NET CHANGES THAT WE DID FOR OPERATING EXPENSES, JUST FOR YOUR, YOUR REFERENCE WE REDUCED THOSE EXPENSES BY ABOUT 262,004 72.

OKAY. THAT'S ALL THE CHANGES I HAVE AT THIS POINT.

SO THANKS, ALBERTA. SO I MOVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE O 2020 5-033 OF THE CITY OF HUTTO, TEXAS, ADOPTING THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 TO 2026 BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2025 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2026 FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO, TEXAS, WITH A SMALL CHANGE TO TAKE OUT THE HPDI CANINE POSITION AND TO ADD IN A CRISIS INTERVENTION OFFICER, AND THEN TO ADD THE NEW REVISED ORG CHART.

WITH IT, ALONG WITH THE SCHEDULE OF POSITIONS, INCOME SEX, RACE AND DATE OF HIRE WITH THE CITY.

SECOND. MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

BEFORE YOU CONSIDER VOTING ON THE BUDGET.

THERE'S A LINE ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.

IT'S 1005 00016412. IT'S THE CELEBRATE LIMITED CONTRACT.

COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON HAS JUST DISCLOSED THAT HE HAS THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE HE HAS AN EMPLOYEE OF THIS COMPANY, AND HE'S FILING HIS AFFIDAVIT AND WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU VOTE ON THAT LINE ITEM SEPARATELY SO HE CAN RECORD BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE OVERALL DEAL. CORRECT.

ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL PAUSE ON THAT AND THEN SO MOVE TO PASS THE LINE ITEM THAT YOU MENTIONED. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT IT.

SECOND. SO THAT'LL BE A SEPARATE VOTE FIRST.

AND THEN WE'LL DO THE THE MAIN MOTION.

OKAY. BASICALLY YOU'RE VOTING ON JUST THAT ONE LINE ITEM.

OKAY. ACCEPT IT OR REJECT IT.

AND THEN HE'S RECUSING HIMSELF FROM THAT.

BUT THEN HE'LL BE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE ON THE REMAINING BUDGET WITHOUT THAT LINE ITEM, AND IT MIGHT BE DISPENSED WITH IT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, I THINK SO.

BECAUSE IT'S SOFTWARE.

THAT'S. YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

COUNCILMEMBER KING. AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

COUNCIL MEMBER. MAURICE.

OH, SORRY. COUNCILMEMBER PORTERFIELD.

HE WOULD. CAN YOU RECORD HIM AS ABSTAINING? ABSTAIN? YES. MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO.

OKAY. NOW I MOVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2020 5-033.

THE CITY OF HUTTO, TEXAS, ADOPTING THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 TO 2026 BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2025,

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AND THEN IN SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2026 FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO TO WITH REVISE CHANGE OF TAKING THE HPD K-9 OFFICER POSITION AND SWITCHING THAT TO A CRISIS INTERVENTION OFFICER AND ADOPTING A NEW ORG CHART, AND WAS SENT THIS WEEK ALONG WITH THE TABLE THAT HAS THE POSITIONS, THE PAY, THE SEX, THE RACE, AND THE DATA HIRE. SECOND.

MAYOR, COULD I GET A CLARIFICATION ON THE ADDITION OF THE CRISIS INTERVENTION OFFICER? DID YOU WANT THAT TO BE FOR A FULL YEAR OR HALF A YEAR? Q2 SAME AS WE HAD FOR THE.

OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? YES. NO. GO AHEAD. NO.

GO AHEAD. SO I WON'T BE VOTING FOR THIS.

I THINK IT'S PRETTY I THINK IT'S BASED ON THE PRESENTATION ALONE THAT WE GOT TONIGHT FROM HPD. SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE SPECIALIZED RESPONSE TEAM VEHICLE.

I THINK IT'S VERY IRRESPONSIBLE OF US TO BE FUNDING 250,000 FOR SIX MONTHS OF UBER RIDE SHARE FOR A SMALL SEGMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY AND NOT FUNDING THAT SPECIALIZED RESPONSE TEAM VEHICLE WHICH IS ADDITIONALLY UTILIZED TO SERVE AND PROTECT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

I DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK AFTER PUBLIC SAFETY HERE IN THE CITY OF HUTTO.

THAT ALONG WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT I WON'T GET INTO TONIGHT, I THINK IT'S BEEN WELL DOCUMENTED ON THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.

BUT WHAT WE ARE CHOOSING TO DO AS A COUNCIL.

AND SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I WILL NOT BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION.

SO I WANTED TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION TO REMOVE THE 250,000 FOR THE UBER RIDESHARE PROGRAM AND TO HIRE THE CRISIS INTERVENTION OFFICER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE RATHER THAN Q2, BUT HIRE THEM SOONER.

AND THEN ALSO ADD IN A A SECOND IT SPECIALIST FOR THE PD.

SECOND. I'LL SECOND THAT.

SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON.

DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.

LET'S SAY THIS. I DON'T KNOW THE IF WE END UP ADOPTING THE UBER RIDESHARE DEAL OR SOME OTHER DEAL. BUT I THINK THE MONEY HAS TO BE THERE TO START THE PROCESS.

I THINK THE THERE'S A GREAT CONCERN ON THE I FORGET WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE VEHICLE.

JAMES S V R T YEAH. IT'S BASICALLY IT'S BASICALLY AN ARMORED VEHICLE LIKE A SWAT VEHICLE. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE I DON'T KNOW THE CITY IS IN A POSITION TO SPEND THE MONEY ON AN ARMORED CAR.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD GET USED REGULARLY. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO HAVE A MONTH AGO, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING DOESN'T HAPPEN REGULARLY FOR THE UBER RIDE.

SHARE. WHILE I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT THAT IT'S A SMALL SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION WE DO HAVE A SMALL SEGMENT OF POPULATION THAT ARE SENIORS AND HAVE MOBILITY ISSUES AND HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING TO DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS AND TO THE GROCERY STORE.

AND A LOT OF THE OTHER CITIES IN OUR AREA ARE IMPLEMENTING SOME SYSTEM, KIND OF LIKE UBER. IT MAY NOT ALWAYS BE LIKE THAT, BUT THEY'RE IMPLEMENTING THAT IN A WAY TO COST EFFECTIVELY PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION TO THOSE WHO ARE UNABLE TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORE, ARE UNABLE TO GO TO THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE.

IN FACT, WE WE HAVE A LADY THAT COMES OUT HERE REGULARLY, AND SHE ALONE IS LIKE IN HER MID 70S, AND SHE'S TAKING SOMEONE IN THEIR 90S TO DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS BECAUSE HE HAS NO WAY OF GETTING THERE. SO IT'S PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY IF THE MOTION WAS JUST FOR A IT OFFICER PERSON, I COULD SEE ADDING THAT BUT WE'RE GETTING TO BE 47,000 PEOPLE STRONG AS A COMMUNITY WITH NO WAY TO GET PEOPLE TO DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS AND GROCERIES AND SOME OF THOSE NEEDS.

AND SO AT SOME POINT, WE HAVE TO INVEST IN, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY, THOSE IN MOST SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE NEED, BUT.

SO YOU MENTIONED SRT VEHICLE, BUT THAT WASN'T PART OF MY MOTION.

DID YOU WERE YOU AWARE I DID NOT ASK FOR THE SRT VEHICLE.

YEAH OKAY. OKAY, I GOT YOU.

OKAY. I DIDN'T I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU THOUGHT THAT I WAS TRYING TO ADD THAT.

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NO, NO, NO, I JUST IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW I'LL JUST LEAVE IT ALONE.

IT'S NOT WORTH. IT'S NOT WORTH ENGAGING.

ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. COUNCIL MEMBER.

PORTERFIELD. NAY. MAYOR.

SNYDER. NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER.

GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

KING. NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER.

MAURICE. NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER.

THOMPSON. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM.

THORNTON. NAY. MOTION FAILS.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE AMENDMENT TO ADD THE PD IT.

PERSONNEL. SECOND. THIRD.

PD LET'S CALL IT PD. IT.

YES, SIR. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? JUST CLARIFICATION. SO FULL YEAR, HALF YEAR, YOU WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO START IMMEDIATELY OR I'D LIKE THEM TO START IMMEDIATELY.

AND THEN WHERE WOULD IT BE FUNDED FROM.

JUST FUND BALANCE. TAKE FUND BALANCE DOWN.

I DON'T KNOW ALBERTO. HOW WOULD THAT BE.

WE DO Q2 AND HERE'S THE REASON I SAY THAT IF YOU SAY Q1, THE NOT THAT CHIEF OR ANYBODY WOULD MISS SPENDING MONEY, BUT ONCE WE BUDGET THE MONEY, IT'S THERE TO BE USED AND THE ODDS OF THEM HIRING SOMEBODY IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS, THAT GIVES THEM TIME TO DO A SEARCH.

IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE A COUPLE OF MONTHS. AND IT'S Q2 FISCAL, NOT CALENDAR, NOT YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

ALL RIGHT YOU TWO. THANK YOU.

PETER, WHO WAS THE SECOND ON THAT I WAS.

AND THE FUNDING SOURCE.

YES. IT WOULD COME. IT WOULD REDUCE THE ADDITION OF 383,494 ADDITIONS TO FUND BALANCE WHAT IT WOULD REDUCE IT BY THAT AMOUNT, WHATEVER THAT POSITION.

BALANCE. SO WHERE YOU'RE ADDING 383,494 TO FUND BALANCE.

THAT WILL BE LESS THE AMOUNT FOR THIS POSITION TO START IN QUARTER TWO, WHICH SO IT WOULD COME OUT OF THAT 383 494.

YES, SIR. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD.

OUR FUND BALANCE FOR EASE OF DISCUSSION.

WOULD THAT ENABLE US TO STILL STAY ABOVE THE 20%? YOU'LL BE ABOVE 20. OKAY.

IT'LL PUT YOU FURTHER AWAY FROM THE 25, BUT IT WOULD LOWER THAT 23.9.

SLIGHTLY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. COUNCIL MEMBER.

KING. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

MAURICE. AYE. COUNCIL MAYOR.

PRO TEM. THORNTON. AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. PORTERFIELD. AYE.

MAYOR. SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

THOMPSON. AYE. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO AND WE HAVE THE OVERALL BUDGET.

WITH THAT AMENDMENT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SO THE ORAL AMENDMENT REPLACED THE CANINE OFFICER WITH THE CRISIS INTERVENTION OFFICER TO STARTING Q2. ALSO, IT'S INCLUDING ADDING THE IT SPECIALIST TO START IN Q2. THOSE ARE THE ONLY CHANGES THE NEW ORG CHART OR THE ORG CHART.

CHART. ORG CHART. THAT'S RIGHT. I WOULD JUST SAY THIS FOR THE PUBLIC.

NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS, I DON'T THINK. AND THAT'S FINE.

WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IN MY MIND FOR ME, I HEARD EVERYBODY LOUD AND CLEAR, DO MORE WITH LESS.

DON'T RAISE TAXES AGAIN.

WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. WE'VE WORKED WITH THE CITY MANAGER, AND I THINK HE HAS HEARD, ALONG WITH HIS STAFF, THAT WE REALLY WANT TO FIND A WAY TO USE EITHER TECHNOLOGY OR POLICY CHANGES TO BECOME MORE EFFICIENT WITH WITH OUR EFFORTS AND OUR ORG CHART.

WE'VE DONE THAT. AND WE'VE ALSO FULLY FUNDED OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE AS PER THE I THINK IT WAS A STUDY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. SO THAT'S NOW BUMPED UP TO OVER $2 MILLION IN ROAD MAINTENANCE. SO THAT'S MORE ROADS GETTING PAVED, REPAVED. WE HAVE OVER A YEAR OF ROAD PROJECTS AS THEY GET FULLY PERMITTED.

THEY'RE ALREADY FUNDED, READY TO GO. AND THEN LASTLY, WE WENT FROM A 20% RESERVE UP TO A 23 SOMETHING PERCENT RESERVE.

SO A BULK OF OUR MONEY WE COULD HAVE SPENT ON OTHER THINGS.

WE'RE ACTUALLY INCREASING OUR RESERVES, WHICH I THINK IS IS A PRUDENT THING TO DO.

IN THE PAST, WE'VE SPENT EVERY DIME UP UNTIL THE 20%, BUT WE HAD TO HIT THIS YEAR WE'RE ADDING TO OUR RESERVES.

SO I THINK ALL IN ALL I WOULD HAVE CUT MORE OUT OF THE BUDGET.

I KNOW A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK WE'RE MAKING WE TALKED A LOT AND WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF CONCESSIONS AND COMPROMISES AND COLLABORATED TO COME UP WITH THE BUDGET SUCH AS WE DID.

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AND I'LL JUST SAY, OVERALL, I WON'T BE ALSO VOTING FOR THE FOR THE OVERALL BUDGET. I LIKE SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL'S WILLINGNESS TO ADD MORE TO THE PD.

THAT'S KIND OF BEEN A CONCERN OF MINE.

MY FEELING IS I THINK WE CUT WAY TOO MUCH OUT OF THIS BUDGET.

I THINK WE CUT A LOT OF NEEDS.

NOT JUST WANTS. THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S DISAGREEMENT ON THAT. BUT IN MY OPINION, I THINK THAT WE YOU KNOW, TRAINING TOOK A HUGE HIT.

I THINK THAT'S NECESSARY FOR FOR STAFF.

I JUST WORRY THAT THAT WE WE CUT TOO DEEPLY AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT GOING ON, SO. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. GORDON.

NAY COUNCIL MEMBER. KING A COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON.

NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER. PORTERFIELD, A COUNCIL MEMBER.

MORRIS. AYE. MOTION PASSES FIVE TWO.

NEXT WE HAVE ITEM TEN THREE.

[10.3. Consideration and possible action to approve Resolution No. R-2025-204 ratifying the property tax increase reflected in the City of Hutto Fiscal Year 2025-2026 operating budget. (Alberta Barrett)]

CONSIDERATION. POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER R.

DASH 2025. DASH 204. RATIFYING THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE REFLECTED IN THE CITY OF FISCAL YEAR 2025 TO 2026 OPERATING BUDGET.

AND I MOVE TO RATIFY THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 TO 2026 OF THE CITY OF HUTTO, TEXAS.

SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. MORRIS.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON.

NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER. THOMPSON.

NAY. MAYOR PRO TEM. THORNTON.

PORTOFINO A COUNCIL MEMBER KING, A MAYOR SNYDER.

A MOTION PASSES FIVE TWO.

NEXT ITEM TEN FOR CONDUCT, A PUBLIC HEARING AND RELATED ITEMS AND

[10.4. Conduct a public hearing and related items in consideration and possible action to approve Ordinance No. 0-2025-034 of the City of Hutto, Texas, levying Ad Valorem taxes for the use and support of the municipal government for the City of Hutto for the Fiscal Year 2025-2026. (Alberta Barrett)]

CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025.

DASH 034 OF THE CITY OF HUTTO, TEXAS.

LEVYING AD VALOREM TAXES FOR THE USE IN SUPPORT OF THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 TO 2026.

WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:52 P.M..

IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO COME UP AND SPEAK REGARDING OUR AD VALOREM TAXES? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:52 P.M., AND I MOVE THAT THE TAX RATE WILL RAISE MORE TAXES FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS.

IN LAST YEAR'S TAX RATE, THE TAX RATE WILL EFFECTIVELY BE DECREASED BY 5.11% AND WILL DECREASE TAXES FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS ON PATIENTS ON $100,000 HOME BY APPROXIMATELY $13.62.

SECOND. DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION AND THE PROPOSED TAX RATE 0.385928.

RIGHT. CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER. THOMPSON.

NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER. PORTERFIELD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MA'AM.

MOTION PASSES. FIVE TWO.

NEXT WE HAVE ITEM TEN FIVE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND. TEN FIVE PUBLIC HEARING AND RELATED ACTION.

A CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R, DASH 2025, DASH 175, APPROVING THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION OF THE KIRK TRACT, 77.2 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED OFF OF FM 1660 SOUTH. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD, ASHLEY BAILEY, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. THESE NEED TO BE, I SUPPOSE, POSTPONED. THE MSA IS NOT YET READY.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT JONAS LEGAL IS STILL WORKING WITH OURS TO ENSURE THAT THE MSA IS UPDATED. SO WE CANNOT DO THE ANNEXATION YET.

RIGHT. AND JUST TO LET COUNCIL KNOW, JONAH SPECIAL UTILITY DISTRICT DID MEET TODAY, AND THEY CAME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND AUTHORIZED THEIR GENERAL MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AMENDMENT WITH THE AGREEMENT WITH HUTTO TO PROVIDE FOR THE TEMPORARY WATER SERVICE BY HUTTO FOR THIS TRACT.

AND SO ONCE WE GET THAT, WE'LL UPDATE THE MSA, AND WE PROBABLY SHOULD POSTPONE TO OCTOBER 2ND.

IS THIS THE LAST THING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR THAT? YEAH.

AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO JUST CONTINUE THE A AND B.

YES PLEASE. IT'S NO OBJECTIONS.

WILL POSTPONE TEN FIVE A AND B TO SEPTEMBER 18TH AND OCTOBER 2ND OCTOBER.

I'M SORRY YOU SAID OCTOBER 2ND.

YES. OKAY. IF ALL WE NEED IS THAT DATE AND I'VE GOT THE DATE ON B,

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WE AT LEAST NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONTINUE IT.

OKAY. BUT YOU'RE SAYING OCTOBER 2ND.

SECOND. POSTPONE OCTOBER 2ND.

OKAY. I FORGOT. DO I NEED A.

IS THAT A VOTE OR IS THAT AN OBJECTIONABLE THING? IF YOU CAN SAY TO COUNCIL, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, WE'LL POSTPONE 10.5 A TO OCTOBER 2ND.

IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, WE'LL POSTPONE TEN FIVE A TO OCTOBER 2ND.

NO OBJECTIONS. BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

SO AS PART OF THIS MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT, IS THAT WHERE IT WILL BE WORKED OUT LIKE WHO'S WATER METERS ARE GOING TO BE INSTALLED ON ALL THESE HOUSES. IT'S GOING TO BE HOODOOS OR JONAS.

HOW IT'S GOING TO BE, HOW THE TRANSITION WILL HAPPEN, WHO'S GOING TO PAY, WHO THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THE IMPACT FEES TO IF IT GOES TO HUTTO, OR IF IT GOES TO JONAH OR WHO? I MEAN, THAT'S ALL PART OF THIS, RIGHT? WE COULD MAKE IT THAT SPECIFIC.

IF IT'S GOING TO BE CITY WATER, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD ALWAYS CHARGE OUR OWN IMPACT FEES. IF WE UNDERSTAND JONAS ATTORNEYS CAN TAKE THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE AGREEMENT.

SO WE'LL IRON OUT ALL THOSE CONSIDERATIONS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT THEN B IS CONTINUE A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 026 APPROVING THE ANNEXATION OF THE KIRK TRACT, 77.2 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED OFF OF FM 1660 SOUTH.

AND WE NEED TO ADJOURN THIS.

POSTPONE IT TILL OCTOBER 2ND.

OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

LET'S CONTINUE A PUBLIC HEARING.

WELL, YES, BECAUSE YOU'RE CONTINUING IT TO THIS DATE.

SO WE OPEN AND THEN NOBODY'S GOING TO SPEAK.

THEN YOU CONTINUE IT TO TEN TWO.

OKAY, SO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:56 P.M..

IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'LL CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL OCTOBER 2ND.

THAT CHECKED ALL THE BOXES, RIGHT? IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS. IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS. HEARING NONE.

NOW, WE'RE STARTING. NOW WE'RE STARTING TO ROLL. OKAY? AND WE COME TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[11. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ]

WE HAVE ITEMS 11 ONE THROUGH 1126.

I'VE BEEN ASKED TO PULL ITEM 1125.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS ANYONE WISHES TO PULL? I'D LIKE TO PERSONALLY PULL ITEM 11 456789 TEN 1112 1314 1516 AND 17 1111 FOUR THROUGH 1117.

THERE'S NO OTHER ITEMS ANYONE WISHES TO PULL.

ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE.

ITEM 11 123, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 AND 26.

SO MOVED. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THOSE ITEMS? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON.

AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. MAURICE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. COUNCILMEMBER GORDON A COUNCILMEMBER.

PORTERFIELD, A COUNCILMEMBER KING I.

MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

SO LET'S START WITH ITEM 11 FOR CONSIDERATION.

[Items 11.4 - 11.17]

POSSIBLE ACTION RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2020 5-207.

REGARDING THE NEW ROTATION LIST FOR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS TESTING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WITH ROBERT KISTNER, INCORPORATED AREAS AND ASSOCIATES, INCORPORATED PROFESSIONAL SOLUTIONS 44, LLC, BRAUN INTERTEC CORPORATION, AND HBJ, SOUTH CENTRAL TEXAS.

SO HERE'S MY UNDERLYING CONCERN ON THE NEXT WHATEVER IT IS, 15 OF THEM FOR THE SMALL ONES LIKE MATERIALS TESTING OR GEO ENGINEERING, I DON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN ISSUE WITH HAVING A ROTATION.

BUT WHEN WE GET INTO LIKE TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING AND ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING.

I THINK WE'RE MISSING THE BOAT. I THINK WE'VE TRIED THIS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. I THINK PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND THEY'RE.

THEY'RE GETTING ON THE ROTATION LIST.

THEY'RE NOT HITTING DEADLINES.

THEY'RE COMING BACK WITH CHANGE ORDERS.

THE COSTS ARE HIGHER THAN WE'RE SEEING OUT IN OTHER FIELDS.

AND I THINK, HONESTLY, THE BIG THINGS NEED TO BE COMPETITIVELY BID.

SO AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP TESTING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

THAT MIGHT BE $20,000.

BUT WHEN A PERSON HAS 1 MILLION OR $2 MILLION ENGINEERING CONTRACT,

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I REALLY THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO LINE THEM UP, PUT OUT THE INFORMATION AND REALLY DIG INTO WHAT THEY WANT, THE DEADLINE IT'S GOING TO TAKE AND REALLY TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN, I THINK THIS IS OUR THIRD YEAR DOING THIS ROTATING, AND I JUST DON'T SEE I HONESTLY DON'T SEE CHANGES IN IN TIMING OR COST.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S THE OPPOSITE.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I BRING IT UP.

SO I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH 11 FOUR.

I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS 11 FOUR AS PRESENTED.

SO COULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT? THE MAYOR'S CONCERNS FOR US SO WE CAN ALL HEAR.

HOLD ON. MOTION. SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. MATT. OKAY.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. FOR THE RECORD, MATT RICHTER, CITY ENGINEER. SO THE REASON WHY WE'VE BEEN DOING THE ROTATION LISTS IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU PROCURE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, TYPICALLY YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN RFQ PROCESS. SO THAT'S A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS.

THEN THEY HAVE TO GIVE YOU STATEMENTS OF QUALIFICATIONS. SO FOR THESE ROTATION LISTS WE DID THAT. WE DID THAT WITH I BELIEVE WE HAD I WANT TO SAY.

NORTH OF 80 STATEMENTS OF QUALIFICATIONS THAT WE HAD TO GO THROUGH TO GET ALL THESE ROTATION LISTS PUT TOGETHER.

AND THE REASON WE DO THAT IS BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE ALL THESE ENGINEERING FIRMS BASICALLY ON STANDBY AS SOON AS YOU HAVE A PROJECT.

SO IT WAS BASICALLY A WAY FOR US TO MOVE FAST.

SO YOU YOU ARE LEGALLY PROHIBITED IN THE STATE OF TEXAS FROM COMPETING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES ON PRICE. YOU CAN ONLY SELECT THEM BASED ON QUALIFICATIONS.

SO I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO DO THE ROTATION LIST, BUT YOU YOU COULD FOR EVERY PROJECT THAT WE HAVE, WE COULD DO THIS INDIVIDUALLY AND DO A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR EACH OF THOSE FIRMS. BUT WE CAN'T COMPETE THEM ON PRICE.

WE HAVE TO COMPETE THEM BASED ON THEIR QUALIFICATIONS. AND THEN WE WOULD SELECT WHATEVER ENGINEERING FIRM WE CHOOSE.

AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO GO AND NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITH THEM AS A PUBLIC ENTITY.

AS A PUBLIC ENTITY. YES, SIR.

BUT IF THE ENGINEERING IS DONE BY THE EDC, THEN WE CAN NEGOTIATE PRICE AND WE CAN.

THEY CAN BID AGAINST EACH OTHER BECAUSE THAT'S A PRIVATE ENTITY. IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT MAKING THEM BID AGAINST EACH OTHER. I WOULD DEFER TO LEGAL ON ON THAT.

BUT YES, YOU'RE RIGHT.

IF YOU'RE DOING IT AS A PRIVATE CORPORATION, YOU CAN GO HANDPICK WHATEVER ENGINEER YOU WANT AND YOU CAN NEGOTIATE THAT PRICE WITH THEM.

AND YOU CAN I MEAN, I GUESS POTENTIALLY YOU COULD.

WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THE THE BIDDING STATUTE, THE ADVERTISEMENTS AND THE THOSE THINGS.

SO AND THAT'S MY THING.

I WANT US COMPETITIVELY BIDDING.

I DON'T LIKE RFQS BECAUSE WE PICK THREE PEOPLE AND THEN WE NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT.

WELL, THEN YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN PICKED. YOU'RE NEXT IN LINE. SO IT JUST FEELS LIKE THE MOST EASIEST WAY TO SCREW THE PUBLIC IS TO, LIKE, I'M NEXT. AND NOW I KNOW YOU'RE PICKING ME, AND NOW I'M GOING TO COME UP AND WE'RE GOING TO NEGOTIATE. HOW DOES THAT EVEN WORK? IN THE REGULAR WORLD? YOU WOULD HAVE 3 OR 4 PEOPLE COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER GOING, HEY, HERE'S MY HERE'S MY BEST BID.

YOU'RE CALLING THEM UP. YOU'RE SAYING, HEY, I MEAN, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GOING TO TAKE 15 MONTHS TO ENGINEER THIS. YOU CAN'T KNOCK THAT DOWN TO NINE. YEAH, MAYBE WE COULD.

AND SO THAT'S BEEN MY PROBLEM IS AND IT WAS WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS AND I WERE TALKING AT A WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT, A NOT A DEPOSITION, A MEDIATION. THE MEDIATION THAT I'M JUST, LIKE, FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING SCREWED ALL THE TIME, AND THE GUY'S LIKE, YOU CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE OF PUBLIC LAWS.

AND ABOUT THE FOURTH TIME, HE WAS LIKE, IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE A PUBLIC ENTITY. AND THEN I WAS LIKE, WELL, WHAT ABOUT WHAT ABOUT THE EDC? AND THE CITY MANAGER BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT.

WHAT STOPS EDC FROM GOING ROGUE AND JUST PICKING BEST FRIENDS? I THINK THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF HAVING FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THERE. AND I THINK IN ORDER FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO PAY THAT THOSE BILLS, I THINK AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT NEEDS TO COME IN TO WHERE THE EDC AGREES THAT THE THINGS WILL BE COMPETITIVELY BID.

THEY'LL FOLLOW WHATEVER RULES WE WANT TO HAVE BECAUSE NO ONE'S TRYING TO GET OUT OF THAT.

I THINK THAT THE INTENT IS TO GET PEOPLE TO DO THINGS CHEAPER AND FASTER, WHEREAS RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE A SINGLE PROJECT THAT'S HIT A DEADLINE IN TWO YEARS.

I MEAN, EVERYBODY THAT PULLS UP HERE, IF THEY WANT PROOF, JUST GO TO THE VIETNAM MEMORIAL.

THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE BUILT AND OPEN BY MEMORIAL DAY.

AND NOW I'M HOPING IT'S DONE BY VETERAN'S DAY.

I MEAN, WE'VE MISSED LABOR DAY.

WE'VE MISSED JULY 4TH.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S CAUSING IT. I'M NOT BLAMING YOU. I'M ACTUALLY BLAMING THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER.

SO FOR ME, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T MIND SOMEONE DOING MATERIALS TESTING BECAUSE THAT'S SUCH A SMALL AMOUNT.

BUT IF YOU'RE GARVER AND YOU'RE SIGNING UP AND YOU NEED A $300,000 CHANGE ORDER BECAUSE

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WE ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS AND A LITTLE BIT OF A SCOPE CHANGE.

I MEAN, IT'S $300,000, AND WE JUST KEEP HAVING THESE CHANGE ORDERS HITTING US REGULARLY. AND I'M JUST LIKE, MAN, I JUST I DON'T KNOW, I JUST CAN'T CONTINUE ON THAT.

SO HOW IS THIS GOING TO HOW IS NOT DOING THIS ROTATION LIST GOING TO FIX ANYTHING THAT THE MAYOR JUST SAID? SO I BELIEVE WHAT THE MAYOR IS SUGGESTING IS THAT INSTEAD OF US HAVING A ROTATION LIST OF ENGINEERING FIRMS, THAT WE HAVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE EDC AND THE I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING IT THROUGH EDC.

THE PROCUREMENT LAWS ARE IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS, TO PROTECT TAX DOLLARS.

AM I WRONG? IS LEGAL? AM I WRONG ON THAT? IT'S WELL, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, I'LL DEFER TO TO LEGAL ON THE ACTUAL LEGAL ANSWER, BUT MY INTERPRETATION IS, YES, IT'S THERE TO PROTECT CITIZENS, BUT IT'S ALSO THERE TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE FAIR AND EQUITABLE SELECTION PROCESSES ACROSS ENGINEERING FIRMS SO THAT WE AREN'T PICKING THE SAME OUR BUDDIES, SO TO SPEAK, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND GIVING THEM ALL THE WORK THAT'S FUNDED BY TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

HOW IS THE ROTATION BEING DONE BEFORE? BECAUSE I REMEMBER THAT BEING A AN ISSUE.

SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF, COUNCILMAN GORDON.

HOW WAS THAT BEING DONE BEFORE? BECAUSE DIDN'T WE SWITCH TO THIS ROTATION SYSTEM BECAUSE WE WERE DOING EXACTLY THAT.

OR THERE WAS THAT THOUGHT THAT WE WERE DOING EXACTLY THAT.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW GARVER WAS WAS I MEAN, WE WENT TO ROTATION TO SPEED THINGS UP, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, ON THE PUBLIC SIDE, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO AN RFQ CALL FOR EVERY PROJECT.

AND GRANTED, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MISSING DEADLINES.

BUT DOING A LOT OF THE DEADLINES, THOUGH, IS THAT THAT'S ON CONTRACTORS, NOT ON THE ENGINEERS. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND, BUT THE DEADLINES COULD STILL GET MISSED. IT'S JUST IT'S GOING TO TAKE LONGER TO, YOU KNOW, THE DEADLINE IS GOING TO BE FURTHER OUT BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE THE TIME ON THE FRONT END. SO WHENEVER COUNCIL GAVE DIRECTION BACK, THEN MOVE FAST.

THIS IS THE WAY THAT YOU MOVE FASTER AS A PUBLIC ENTITY.

GOTCHA. AND THAT'S WHY WE WENT TO THE ROTATION LIST.

SO WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE A 60 TO 90 DAY WINDOW OF TIME BEFORE EVERY PROJECT STARTS TO DO A TO A QUALIFICATION AND THEN TO AWARD AND THEN TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT AND ALL THAT OTHER SORT OF STUFF. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S THE WAY THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS IS, IS WE BRING THIS ROTATION LIST TO YOU GUYS IN SEPTEMBER.

AND THEN ONCE YOU APPROVE THE ROTATION LIST, WE BRING ALL THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE AGREEMENTS. OH, YES. MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENTS TO YOU IN THE NEXT MEETING IN SEPTEMBER AND THEN IN OCTOBER.

TYPICALLY, WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS AWARD ALL THE CONTRACTS. SO WE HIT THE GROUND RUNNING RIGHT OUT THE GATE.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WAS TO THE CITY MANAGER'S POINT.

THAT WAS AN EFFORT BECAUSE HE DIRECTED ME GO FAST.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S THE SYSTEM THAT I CAME UP WITH THAT MOST CITIES USE WHEN THEY NEED TO GO FAST. GOTCHA.

UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. IT'S NOT PERFECT. I AGREE WITH YOU.

I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. IT'S DEFINITELY NOT A PERFECT SYSTEM. IN MY OWN DEFENSE, I WILL SAY THAT I HAVE ACTUALLY PASSED UP A SEVERAL FIRMS. BECAUSE TYPICALLY WHEN WE BRING A NUMBER TO YOU GUYS AND SAY, THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO COST $5 MILLION, WE'LL TELL YOU YOU KNOW, YOUR DESIGN COST SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 10 TO 12% OF THAT.

SO IF AN ENGINEERING FIRM CAME TO ME AND SAID, OKAY, WE WANT 25% OF THE TOTAL PROJECT COST.

I'M LIKE, NO, YOU GET BETWEEN 10 AND 12%.

AND I'M NOT GIVING YOU ANY MORE.

AND IF THEY CAN'T GET THERE, THEN I'M LIKE, OKAY, I'M TERMINATING THIS.

PER THE STATE STATUTES, I'M TERMINATING THIS NEGOTIATION WITH YOU, AND I'M MOVING TO THE NEXT GUY IN LINE. OKAY.

AND YOU CAN'T GET THERE. THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION IS JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS NEXT IN LINE DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY BLINDLY GOING TO JUST GIVE IT TO THEM. THEY'RE STILL DUE DILIGENCE THAT YOU'RE DOING.

YOU'RE STILL TALKING TO THEM TO A LIMITED EXTENT. YEAH. I'M NOT I'M NOT I WON'T TRY TO TELL YOU THAT. I'M LIKE NICKEL AND DIMING ALL THE WAY DOWN.

AS LONG AS THEY'RE GETTING INTO THAT 10 TO 12% RANGE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TELLING YOU GUYS, THEN I'M LIKE, OKAY, IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH.

BUT IF THEY'RE WAY OUTSIDE OF THAT RANGE, I'M LIKE, IF YOU CAN'T GET THERE, THEN I'M TERMINATING THIS NEGOTIATION AND I'M MOVING ON TO THE NEXT GUY IN LINE.

AND SOMETIMES THAT MOTIVATES THEM TO BRING THEIR PRICES WAY DOWN TO GET TO WHERE I NEED THEM TO BE. AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, JUST WE CAN'T GET THERE, GO TO THE NEXT PERSON IN LINE, OKAY? BECAUSE BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF A FEAR THAT I HEARD WAS THAT, HEY, THERE'S THERE'S JUST THIS ROTATION LIST AND YOU'RE JUST GOING TO GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

AND THEN THERE'S THERE'S AN INCENTIVE FOR THAT COMPANY BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY'RE NEXT IN LINE AND THAT THEY'RE GUARANTEED TO GET THAT PROJECT, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO INCREASE THEIR COSTS. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IF THEY'RE DOING THAT, YOU'RE YOU'RE CALLING THEM AND SAYING, NO, NO, THIS IS THE RANGE. THIS IS WHERE YOU NEED TO BE. AND IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO COME IN LINE, THEN YOU GET KICKED TO THE END OF THE LINE AND THEY KIND OF LEARN THEIR LESSON. SO THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS WITH THE ROTATION LIST, REALLY, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE QUALIFICATIONS, CORRECT? RIGHT. IT'S IT'S GETTING THERE. JUST MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE WHO IS IN THE QUEUE IN LINE, THEIR QUALIFICATIONS ARE UP TO A MINIMUM PAR OF WHAT THEY NEED TO BE WHEN

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THEY'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THE CITY.

YES. THAT DOESN'T PREVENT US FROM STILL, WHEN YOU DO THE AWARDING OF THE PROJECTS, APPROVING A ROTATION LIST DOESN'T PREVENT YOU FROM GOING TO THOSE COMPANIES AND NEGOTIATING AND SAYING, HEY, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO WORK THIS? AND WHAT'S YOUR PRICE GOING TO BE? THIS ISN'T SETTING PRICES.

THIS IS JUST BASICALLY ELIMINATING A LOT OF THE BUREAUCRACY THAT IS KIND OF BUILT IN, SPEEDING THINGS UP AND THEN TRYING TO AT LEAST I MEAN, BECAUSE I THINK IN MY OPINION, WAS IF WE DIDN'T DO THIS ROTATION LIST, THINGS DIDN'T HIT THEIR THEIR DATES BEFORE, THEY REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE HIT THEIR DATES BEFORE. IT WOULD HAVE ADDED ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, 60, 90 DAYS TO THE WHOLE PROCESS.

AND IT WOULD HAVE EVEN BEEN WORSE THAN WHAT IT IS, RIGHT? AND THE OTHER THE OTHER CLARIFICATION THAT I'LL OFFER IS THAT THE ROTATION LIST DOESN'T LOCK US IN. FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRST YEAR WE DID THIS, IN 2023, WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE WE HAD WE SELECTED A GROUP OF ARCHITECTS AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE CARRIED OVER INTO THE 2024 YEAR.

AND WHEN THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING AND THE JUSTICE CENTER BOTH CAME UP I ASKED ALL OF THE ALL OF THE FIRMS THAT WERE ON OUR ROTATION LIST.

GIVE US ALL OF YOUR BACKGROUND ON PUBLIC WORKS BUILDINGS, AND GIVE US ALL OF YOUR BACKGROUND ON JUSTICE CENTERS, POLICE STATIONS, THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND THEN I SENT THOSE PUBLIC WORKS SUBMITTALS TO CITY MANAGER AND TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.

AND I SENT THE THE POLICE STATION JUSTICE CENTERS TO CITY MANAGER AND PD.

AND FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS SIDE, WE SELECTED ONE OF OUR ROTATION BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THEY WERE THE MOST QUALIFIED, BUT WE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING THAT THEY THAT THE FOUR FIRMS HAD GIVEN US FOR PD OR JUSTICE.

AND WE SAID, NO, WE DON'T REALLY LIKE ANY OF THEM.

SO WE DID A FULL RFQ AND WENT OUT.

AND THAT'S HOW WE SELECTED THE FIRM THAT'S ACTUALLY DOING THE POLICE STATION.

SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT LOCKS US INTO THESE SPECIFIC FIRMS. IT'S JUST A WAY FOR US TO HAVE FIRMS READILY AVAILABLE SO WE CAN MOVE AS FAST AS WE WANT TO MOVE NOW. YES. YOU KNOW, IN EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO IN ENGINEERING, THERE ARE THREE THINGS.

THERE'S TIME, THERE'S COST, AND THERE'S ACCURACY.

AND WHAT I'VE BEEN TRAINED MY ENTIRE CAREER, WHICH IS COMING UP ON 20 YEARS.

YES, I KNOW I LOOK GOOD, BUT 20 YEARS NOW IS THAT YOU ONLY GET TO PICK TWO. SO IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FAST AND YOU WANT IT DONE RIGHT, THEN IT'S NOT GOING TO BE CHEAP. IF YOU WANT IT DONE FAST AND CHEAP, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE RIGHT.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S THE THINGS THAT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TAUGHT. OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, MOST MOST PEOPLE WANT IT DONE RIGHT.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF DO YOU WANT IT FAST OR DO YOU WANT IT CHEAP? AND SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THAT'S MY $0.02 FOR THE WHOLE THING.

I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THIS AS AVAILABLE TOOL.

AND IF WE DON'T USE IT THEN WE DON'T USE IT. I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS SAY YES, LET'S DO THE ROTATION LIST, BUT THEN LET'S HAVE THE EDC DO ALL THE CONTRACTS FOR US SO THEY CAN JUST GO GRAB WHATEVER ENGINEERING FIRM THEY WANT. AND I JUST WANT TO CORRECT YOU WHEN YOU DO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, THEY'RE GOING TO BE LIMITED TO THE PROJECTS THAT BENEFIT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

SO IF WE HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT THAT WE CAN SHOW HAS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSE, YES, YOU CAN DO THAT UNDER THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.

YOU JUST CAN'T DO ALL OF THEM.

THAT'S CORRECT. SO AND I'LL FINISH THESE COMMENTS.

SO I'D SAY THIS I AGREE WITH YOUR TIME COST AND VALUE.

BUT WE HAVE HOW MANY PROJECTS RIGHT NOW ARE CURRENTLY IN IN DESIGN.

WE HAVE I THINK 60 PROJECTS TOTAL.

AND I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT 20 OF THEM ARE IN CONSTRUCTION.

SO ABOUT 40 PROJECTS ARE IN DESIGN.

OKAY. GIVE OR TAKE. ALL RIGHT.

SO WHEN I WHEN I LOOK AT THE CIP, I DON'T SEE ANY PROJECTS THAT IMMEDIATELY HAVE TO GO OUT. LIKE IF WE DON'T HIT THIS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HIT IT.

WE GOT A DEADLINE. WE DON'T HAVE THAT BECAUSE WE WE'RE 2 OR 3 YEARS OUT ON DESIGNING A PROJECT. SO I THINK NOW WE CAN SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND GO, OKAY, LET'S START WORKING ON THE COST ASPECT OF THIS, BECAUSE, WELL, WE'VE GOT MORE PROJECTS THAT COULD HIT CONSTRUCTION IF THEY WERE, BUT FOR THEY'RE NOT DESIGNED YET.

AND THEN WE HAVE MORE PROJECTS THAT WILL HIT.

BUT YET WE CAN'T THROW THE WHOLE CITY IN CONSTRUCTION. SO I THINK TIME IS ON OUR SIDE.

THEN THE OTHER THING IS THIS IS WHERE WE GOT THE 17,000 WALL.

DOLLAR WALL WAS A WAS A DEAL LIKE THIS? WELL THEY WERE ON THE LIST.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOUR HANDS ARE TIED BEHIND YOUR BACK NEGOTIATING WITH SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN SELECTED. NOW WE GET INTO THIS.

WELL YOU HAVE 25% OF THAT.

BUT IT'S THE SAME ARGUMENT I'VE HAD WITH JAMES.

IF I'M A IF I'M AN ENGINEER, WHICH I'M NOT, I NEVER EVEN TOOK A CLASS.

I DON'T THINK IN ENGINEERING, BUT I GOT THE MERIT BADGE.

IF YOU TELL ME I'M GETTING 10% OF THE COST IN ENGINEERING.

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WHAT WOULD STOP ME FROM TRYING TO OVERENGINEER THAT THING? BECAUSE A $10 OR $10 MILLION ROAD, I GET PAID A MILLION, A $20 MILLION ROAD TO GET PAID 2 MILLION.

AND I JUST FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT IF THE ONLY THING IN THE PUBLIC BIDDING SIDE, IT DOESN'T PROTECT THE PUBLIC.

AND THE REASON I'M ALMOST CONFIDENT DOESN'T IS HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU TOLD ME THE REASON IT GETS CHEAPER IS BECAUSE IT'S A PRIVATE SECTOR.

SO WHAT THE HELL IS THE PRIVATE SECTOR DOING THAT THE PUBLIC SECTOR IS NOT? I'LL TELL YOU WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THEY BID THIS STUFF OUT.

THEY DON'T SIT BACK AND GO, OKAY, IT'S JUST ME AND YOU.

WHAT'S THE BEST DEAL YOU GOT FOR ME? 10% OF THE COST. AND NOW WE HAVE SOME TIME TO AT LEAST TRY THIS.

YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK WITH A ROTATION LIST THREE MONTHS FROM NOW.

BUT TO ME, WE. TO ME, THIS IS RUSH.

HASTE MAKES WASTE. WE'RE WASTING MONEY IN SPEED.

AND WE DON'T NEED THE SPEED.

BECAUSE WE HAVE 40 PROJECTS IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW.

WE CAN'T EVEN. WE CAN'T EVEN PAY FOR THEM ALL.

WE'RE LITERALLY GOING TO BE DESIGNING STUFF THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN FIGURED OUT HOW TO FUND YET. SO TO ME, WE GOT TIME.

I'M TIRED OF $17,000 WALLS.

I'D LIKE TO SEE PEOPLE LINED UP LITERALLY GOING, LOOK, I NEED, I NEED WORK.

AND IF ANYTHING MORE NOW THAN EVER, THE WORK IS SLOWING DOWN FROM THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE. FROM THE ENGINEERING SIDE, THE WHOLE PRIVATE SECTOR IS SLOWING DOWN.

NOW IS THE TIME, I THINK THAT WE WORK ON COST.

AND SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE CONCERNS, BUT JAMES TOLD ME A HUNDRED TIMES THE PRIVATE SECTOR GETS IT DONE BECAUSE THE PRIVATE SECTOR, NOT THE PUBLIC. MAYBE WE OUGHT TO START ACTING LIKE THE PRIVATE SECTOR JUST A LITTLE.

SO I HAVE TWO POINTS. ONE IS THERE'S ALWAYS A GUARDRAIL WITH THE EDC THAT EDC CAN'T SPEND MONEY WITHOUT GETTING IT APPROVED BY COUNCIL. SO THERE IS APPROVAL THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL. THE OTHER IS A SUGGESTION THAT MAYBE WE KIND OF TAKE THE BEST OF THIS AND SAY THESE COMPANIES HAVE BEEN QUALIFIED BY THE CITY.

SO EDC YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, SIX COMPANIES IN TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING.

AND THE WAY THAT THE CURRENT SYSTEM WORKS WITH THE CITY, THEY HAVE TO PICK ONE AND NEGOTIATE.

AND IF IT'S GOOD ENOUGH, IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH. YOU CAN'T REALLY PICK ONE AND THEN YOU CAN'T JUMP THROUGH ALL SIX OF THEM.

YOU MIGHT JUMP FROM ONE TO A SECOND OR EVEN A THIRD IF IT'S IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE RIGHT ANSWERS. BUT THAT THAT TAKES TIME TO DO THAT.

WHERE THE EDC COULD SAY ALL SIX OF THESE COMPANIES REACH OUT TO ALL OF THEM AND THEY'RE ALL BIDDING AGAINST EACH OTHER ON THAT PROJECT.

THE COMPANIES ARE KNOWN GOOD BY THE CITY, BUT THE EDC CAN GET THE BEST PRICE OUT OF THE SIX. THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

AND BEFORE YOU GET, YOU BETTER GO.

YOU GOT AN OPPORTUNITY.

YOU'VE BEEN A COUPLE THINGS. YOU'VE BEEN ITCHING I KNOW. WELL, KIND OF WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON. MAYBE THERE'S 14 HERE.

I COUNTED PROPERLY, MAYBE SOME OF THEM.

MAYBE AS A COMPROMISE.

GO TO THE ROTATION. SOME OF THEM DON'T.

BUT THAT'S JUST I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE THAT IS, BUT JUST THROWING THAT OUT. THE OTHER THING IS, DO WE HAVE ANY WAY TO KIND OF GIVE A REPORT CARD? I TALKED A LITTLE BIT WITH THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THIS ON SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

NOT US, YOU KNOW. SO AGAIN, THE KIND OF INDICES YOU TALKED ABOUT, I THOUGHT YOU SAID ACCURACY, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENTATION, COMMUNICATION.

HOW MANY CHANGE ORDERS IS THE COST.

IS IT UP OR IS THERE SCHEDULE.

ARE THEY EARLY OR ARE THEY LATE. JUST SOMETHING REAL QUICK.

ONE PAGE, MAYBE EVEN CHECK BOXES.

SCALE 0 TO 10 THAT FOR EVERY PROJECT THIS GETS PUT IN THEIR FOLDER.

AND THEN THEN WE COME IN AND LOOK AT IT ALSO REQUALIFYING PEOPLE.

MAYBE THIS GUY JUMPS DOWN THE LIST OR OR HOWEVER THAT I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE DETAILS OF IT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT FROM HAVING SOME TYPE OF REAL TIME GRADE, MORE OF A QUALITY THING, AND YOU DECIDE THE INDICES.

THE METRICS. BUT THAT ONE WE CAN GO IN AND LOOK AT IS THIS WORKING OUT? YOU KNOW MAYBE ONE OF THESE ROTATIONS FOR, FOR MATERIAL OR ASSAYS, WHATEVER. HEY, THAT'S BETTER TO BID OUT.

I MEAN, THIS IS NOT WORKING.

THESE PEOPLE ARE LATE.

WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A GOOD QUALITY IN THIS AREA OF THE STATE OR WHATEVER, AND TRANSPORTATION OR DELIVERY, WHATEVER THE COSTS ARE, WE JUST SAY, HEY, THIS SHOULD BE BETTER AT BID.

BUT I THINK IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT METRIC TO GO IN AND LOOK BACK IN TIME TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS THIS IS WORKING OUT AS MAYBE JUST GENERALIZED MAYOR.

THIS ONE'S NOT WORKING OUT AND THIS ONE ISN'T WORKING OUT, WHATEVER THAT IS.

IF A REPORT CARD SYSTEM NOT TO BE DEFINED RIGHT NOW IS THAT COULD BE INSTITUTED TO KIND OF HELP IN THE GRADING OF IT AND IN THE REQUALIFICATION IF NEEDED, OR ADDING OR SUBTRACTING INDIVIDUALS.

OR MAYBE, MAYBE THIS JUST NEEDS TO BE A BID PROCESS OR THIS IS MORE APPLICABLE TO EDC.

SO RIGHT NOW IT MAY BE TOO DIFFICULT RETROACTIVELY TO GO IN THE LAST SIX, EIGHT, SIX, 12, 18 MONTHS TO SAY WHAT THAT GRADE IS TO GOING FORWARD FOR TONIGHT.

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BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO MAYBE LOOK AT PURSUING IN THE FUTURE.

COUNCIL MEMBER, I AGREE WITH YOU 100%.

IN FACT, I'VE ALREADY DIRECTED MY TEAM AND I'VE ALREADY GIVEN THEM TEMPLATES TO BUILD A CONSULTANT EVALUATION FORM AND A CONTRACTOR EVALUATION FORM.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE CAN'T GO BACK 12, 18 MONTHS TO PROJECTS THAT WE ALREADY FINISHED. BUT FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN DESIGN OR CURRENTLY IN CONSTRUCTION, I WANT TO START EVALUATING THESE CONTRACTORS AND THESE CONSULTANTS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DID A LITTLE BIT OF TIME WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THEY'RE NOTORIOUS FOR THIS. AND THIS IS WHAT I TOLD MY STAFF.

THIS WILL TELL YOU HOW THIS WILL TELL YOU GUYS HOW BIG MY HEAD IS ABOUT JUDO, BECAUSE I'M LIKE, PEOPLE WANT TO WORK HERE.

PEOPLE WANT TO WORK FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GOT A LOT OF MONEY AND THEY HAVE A CONTRACTOR EVALUATION AND A CONSULTANT EVALUATION SYSTEM. AND IF YOU GET ON THEIR BAD SIDE WHERE YOU GET A BAD EVALUATION, THEN THAT MEANS YOU'RE LESS LIKELY TO GET GOVERNMENT MONEY.

IF YOU GET MULTIPLE BAD EVALUATIONS, YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANY MORE GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS. YOU'RE DONE.

AND THAT'S A HUGE HIT. AND SO I'M LIKE, WE SHOULD BE DOING THE SAME THING WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT AT THE SAME LEVEL THAT WE THINK ABOUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

IF PEOPLE WANT TO COME WORK HERE, THEY NEED TO UP THEIR GAME AND THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE EVALUATED AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT ON RECORD. AND IF THEY DON'T PERFORM, THEY DON'T COME BACK.

LOVE IT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

MATT, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU.

AS A PROJECT COORDINATOR IN A PROJECT MANAGER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SEE A LOT IS RFQ SLASH P, SO REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION AND PROPOSAL.

THAT WAY YOU GET THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS.

THEY STAY COMPETITIVE WITH ONE ANOTHER BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT A A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION, BUT ALSO A PROPOSAL AS WELL.

IS THAT AN OPTION FOR FOR CONSTRUCTION? YES. AND WHAT WE CALL THEM IS WE CALL THEM COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSALS, CSPS. AND SO WHAT I'VE TOLD MY STAFF IS, IS THAT IF IT'S A SIMPLE PROJECT, MEANING IT'S LESS THAN $1 MILLION AND IT'S LIKE SIMPLE, STRAIGHTFORWARD, LIKE A STRAIGHTFORWARD ROAD REPAIR PROJECT OR A SIDEWALK PROJECT, THEN WE'LL JUST DO A STRAIGHT BID BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED, RIGHT? IN THEORY. BUT IF IT'S ANYTHING ABOVE THAT, THEN WE'RE NOT DOING STRAIGHT BIDS.

BECAUSE IF YOU DO A STRAIGHT BID, IT'S TYPICALLY WHATEVER THE LOWEST PRICE IS WHAT YOU GET. RIGHT? BUT A COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSAL, YOU CHOOSE THE QUALIFICATIONS THAT YOU WANT TO EVALUATE THAT ON.

AND ONE OF THEM IS TYPICALLY ALWAYS PRICE.

BUT YOU ALSO LOOK AT MAYBE THEIR PROXIMITY TO HUTTO OR THEIR PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE OR PRIOR EVALUATIONS FROM OTHER CITIES THAT THEY'VE WORKED IN.

WHAT YOU LAY OUT THAT CRITERIA, YOU HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT FOR THEM.

AND SO THEY GIVE YOU THEIR PRICE, BUT THEY ALSO GIVE YOU ALL OF THIS OTHER DOCUMENTATION. AND THEN WE SIT DOWN AS A GROUP.

I NEVER DO IT BY MYSELF.

I ALWAYS HAVE A GROUP THAT COMES IN AND WE SIT DOWN AND WE EVALUATE THEM INDIVIDUALLY, AND THEN WE COME TOGETHER AS A GROUP AND SAY, OKAY, WHO WON THIS? AND WE GO THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FAIR AND UNBIASED.

SO LIKE SABRINA, WHO'S IN PROCUREMENT, SHE WILL SEND OUT HERE'S HERE'S THE EVALUATION SHEET, HERE'S THE RUBRIC FOR EVERYBODY TO USE.

THEN EVERYBODY SENDS THEIR INDIVIDUAL SCORES TO HER.

SHE SUMS EVERYTHING UP AND TELLS US WHO WHO ACTUALLY GETS THE PROJECT.

AND OFTENTIMES WHEN WE DO CSPS, IT'S NOT THE LOWEST PRICE, RIGHT? IT'S NOT THE HIGHEST PRICE PERSON.

IT'S TYPICALLY SOMEBODY IN THE MIDDLE. BUT IT'S BASED ON ALL THEIR OTHER QUALIFICATIONS AS WELL. RIGHT. THANK YOU.

BUT WE ONLY DO THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.

WE CANNOT COMPETE ENGINEERS BASED ON PRICE.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. SORRY.

WHAT WAS THE MOTION TO APPROVE? 11 FOUR AS PRESENTED. 11 FOUR.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER KING, A MEMBER.

PORTERFIELD I COUNCIL MEMBER.

GORDON I, MAYOR. SNYDER I COUNCIL MEMBER.

MORRIS. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM.

THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

THOMPSON. AYE. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 11 FIVE THROUGH 1117 AS PRESENTED.

MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER GORDON.

WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON.

AND JUST FOR CLARITY, IF THIS IS APPROVED, IT DOES NOT LOCK US INTO USING THE NEXT PERSON IN LINE.

IF YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE THE BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB. CORRECT.

IT IS NOT LOCK US INTO ANY KIND OF A PRICE.

CORRECT. AND TECHNICALLY IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER.

I MEAN, MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON WAS SAYING EITHER THAT SHOULD THE EDC HAVE A WAY OF SPEEDING THINGS UP, THEY COULD TAKE ONE.

THEY COULD THEY COULD USE THIS TO GO THROUGH OUR PROCESS AND GO TO THE EDC,

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AND THE EDC COULD USE IT AND LEVERAGE IT AND AND DO ALL THAT.

OKAY. I'LL SAY SOMETHING NOT TO GET A BUNCH OF STUFF STIRRED UP, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY HOW WE GET CORNERED INTO DOING STUFF LATER ON.

IT'S THREE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD. WE'RE LIKE, WELL, YOU GUYS VOTED FOR THIS.

AND SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS HERE.

WE DID THAT WITH FRITZ PARK.

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE JUST AN UPDATE ON PRICING.

NEXT THING YOU KNOW, WE'RE APPROVING IT. IT'S HAPPENED ON WE HAD LIKE A BUDGET THING AND IT WAS LIKE, WELL WE DO THIS STUFF WHERE IT'S LIKE, HEY, GO AHEAD AND DO IT. NOW. WE UNDERSTAND WE HAVE ISSUES, BUT LATER ON WE'LL YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO USE IT.

AND THEN JUST LIKE THE KIRK TRACK, WHEN WE GET TOLD A MONTH LATER, WELL, YOU GUYS WENT AND VOTED FOR IT THERE.

AND NOW YOU HAVE TO DO THIS HERE BECAUSE YOU DID THAT PREVIOUS VOTE.

AND I DON'T TAKE ANY CHANCES BECAUSE I'VE BEEN BURNED ENOUGH.

HERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU. SINCE WE'RE GOING FOR A FULL THING.

PAT DAWSON, LIKE EVERY PRIVATE PERSON IS USING PAPER, DAWSON, BUT WE NEVER USE THEM IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.

WHY ARE THEY NOT RATING HIGH ENOUGH TO EVEN CRACK THE FOOT IN THE DOOR AND GO, HEY. I MEAN, SURELY ALL THESE DEVELOPERS AREN'T OVERPAYING FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THEM, ARE THEY? JUST NOT AS QUALIFIED AS THESE PEOPLE? SO I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK TO SEE.

I KNOW IN SOME OF THE ROTATIONS PAPE DIDN'T EVEN SUBMIT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY SUBMITTED FOR LIKE, I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT THEY SUBMITTED FOR EVERYTHING AND I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT THEY DIDN'T SUBMIT AT ALL. BUT JUST LIKE JUST LIKE I WAS EXPLAINING TO COUNCILMEMBER KING FOR THE COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSALS.

THAT'S HOW THAT'S HOW WE TYPICALLY DO THE ROTATION.

NOW THIS YEAR I DID DO ONE STEP FURTHER.

SO BECAUSE WE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE, SO MANY DIFFERENT FIRMS SUBMIT, WE DID THE EVALUATION WHERE WE ALL TOOK THE RUBRIC.

WE ALL READ THEIR RFQS OR THEIR SAQS SORRY STATEMENTS OF QUALIFICATIONS.

WE SCORED THEM AND THEN THE TOP 4 OR 5 FROM EVERY CATEGORY.

SORRY, THE THE TOP 4 OR 5.

HOW AM I SAYING THIS? WE SHORTLISTED THE SELECTION GROUP.

SO IF THERE WERE LET'S SAY THERE WERE 15 TRANSPORTATION FIRMS AND I DON'T I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS WE TOOK SAY 8 OR 9 OF THEM.

AND THEN WE SELECTED THE TOP FIVE.

WE ACTUALLY DID INTERVIEWS. WE BROUGHT THEM IN AND SAID, ALL RIGHT, DO YOUR SONG AND DANCE WHILE US.

AND THEN WE EVALUATED THEM ON THEIR INTERVIEWS AS A FINAL CUT.

SO WE WE CUT THEM DOWN TO A SMALLER GROUP AND THEN WE CUT THEM DOWN AGAIN.

THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE'VE DONE ACTUAL IN-PERSON INTERVIEWS WITH THEM. MY THINKING THERE WAS IT'S JUST LIKE DOING AN INTERVIEW, RIGHT? IF YOU LOOK AT SOMEBODY'S RESUME, THEY COULD BE GLOWING ON PAPER, AND THEN YOU GET THEM IN THE DOOR AND YOU'RE LIKE I WILL, I WILL PAY YOU TO LEAVE RIGHT NOW.

AND SO THAT WAS MY THOUGHT PROCESS, BECAUSE I HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE FIRMS THAT WE'VE SELECTED BECAUSE THEY LOOK GOOD ON PAPER, BUT WE DIDN'T DO THE INTERVIEW PROCESS WITH THEM. SO NOW WE TOOK IT A STEP FURTHER AND SAID, NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THE INTERVIEW PROCESS. AND IF THEY DON'T MAKE THE CUT, THEN THEY DON'T MAKE THE CUT. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THIS LIST.

AND THAT'S A VERY LONG, RAMBLING WAY OF TELLING YOU.

I CAN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION 100% ON WHY PAPE DAWSON DIDN'T GET SELECTED.

ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I CAN TELL YOU THAT A LOT OF STAFF IS LEERY OF IS BECAUSE PAPE DAWSON DOES SO MUCH PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT WORK HERE FOR US, LIKE ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, THAT THERE IS CONCERNS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. WELL, I HEAR YOU AND I'LL SAY THIS.

DON'T USE THEM IN MY DAY JOB.

RIGHT. BUT WE GOTTA BE CAREFUL SAYING THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS THE SAME BODY THAT HIRED A CITY ENGINEER THAT WORKED FOR GARVER AND THEN OUTSOURCED EVERY PROJECT WE HAD TO GARVER AND EVERY STUDY WE HAD, TWO GARVER AND I DID THE SAME THING.

I'M UP HERE LIKE, WHAT? DO YOU GUYS NOT SEE THE CONFLICT HERE? AND EVERYBODY'S LIKE, DON'T SEE A CONFLICT HERE.

ANYBODY SEE A CONFLICT? NOPE. AND SO THEY TOOK ALL THE JOBS FOR TWO YEARS.

AND THAT'S WHY I THINK SOME OF THIS I'M LIKE, YEAH, SO I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.

AND I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THEM.

I JUST NOTICED THEY'RE NOT IN HERE.

BUT LJ, IS THERE ONES THAT ARE ON BOTH SIDES THERE AT PEARL ESTATES.

BUT YOU KNOW HOW IT IS. MOST OF THESE FIRMS ARE BIG ENOUGH TO WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FIREWALLS.

THEY'RE IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CITIES. BUT ANYWAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO CLARIFICATION ON GARVER.

WHEN WE HIRED THAT INDIVIDUAL FROM GARVER TO BE OUR CITY ENGINEER, HE SPECIFICALLY TOLD US WHEN HE WAS STANDING RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE STANDING RIGHT NOW THAT HE DID NOT PARTICIPATE IN ANYTHING THAT HAD TO DO WITH GARVER GETTING GETTING A PROJECT HERE, THAT BECAUSE OF THAT AND BECAUSE OF HIS INTEGRITY,

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HE SPECIFICALLY RECUSED HIMSELF AND HAD OTHER STAFF MEMBERS DECIDE WHAT WHAT PROJECTS GARVER WAS GOING TO GET. AND THEY DID NOT GET EVERY ONE OF THEM. HOW MANY DID THEY GET? I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, BUT IT WASN'T 100%.

I BET IT WAS THE VAST MAJORITY.

YOU SAID ALL I'M DONE DEBATING.

THE RECORD IS CLEAR, THE RECORD IS CLEAR.

AND I EVEN SAW THEIR NAME ON HERE. AND I'M LIKE, IT CAN'T GET RID OF GARVER, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY GOOD.

I LIKE THEM. THEY DO A GOOD JOB.

SO? SO AGAIN, THE MAYOR BROUGHT UP FRITZ PARK, RIGHT? HE BROUGHT UP FRITZ PARK, AND HE SAID, WE'RE DOING THIS ALL OVER AGAIN.

AND THERE'S THERE'S AN ASSUMPTION HERE.

AND I THINK IT'S A WRONG ASSUMPTION.

AND I REALLY WANT TO GET TO THE ROOT OF THIS, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. THIS IS A ROTATION LIST FOR QUALIFICATIONS ONLY.

SO IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ROTATION LIST LAST YEAR, WHAT WOULD HAVE CHANGED WITH THE THE FIRM THAT WE THAT WE ULTIMATELY CHOSE TO DO FRITZ PARK. THIS WOULD NOT HAVE FIXED A THING.

I MEAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THE ARCHITECT FIRM THAT DID THE DESIGN FOR FRITZ PARK WAS NOT A PART OF ANY ROTATION THAT THAT I HAVE DONE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.

THEY WERE SELECTED BY THE CITY BACK IN 2019, I BELIEVE TO DO THE MASTER PLAN.

THEY WERE, I BELIEVE THEY WERE ACTUALLY SELECTED TO OVERSEE THE PARK BOND PROGRAM.

THAT WAS DONE AS PART OF THE BOND ELECTION BACK IN 2018, AND SO THEY WERE SELECTED IN 2019 TO OVERSEE THAT PROGRAM.

THE ONLY PROJECT THAT THEY'VE WORKED ON, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IS FOR ITS PARK. SO I HAD NO PART IN SELECTING THAT ARCHITECTURAL FIRM.

THE CONTRACTOR. WE ACTUALLY DID AN RFQ FOR A CONTRACTOR.

AND SO THEY WEREN'T PART OF A ROTATION LIST EITHER.

SO TO YOUR POINT, NEITHER OF THE GROUPS THAT ARE DOING FRITZ PARK WERE PART OF ANY ROTATION LISTS, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS SAYING.

IT FLEW OVER PEOPLE'S HEADS.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE HAD A MEETING IN LIKE JUNE, AND I REMEMBER ASKING THE CITY MANAGER WHY IT'S PARKED UP HERE ALL OF A SUDDEN.

OH, JUST HAD A COUNCIL MEMBER WANT AN UPDATE ON THE COST.

AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING. I SAID IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE APPROVING LIKE A BID HERE.

NO, THAT'S ALL IT IS. NEXT THING YOU KNOW, MOTION SECOND.

BOOM. NEXT THING YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN CONSTRUCTION ON A SITE THAT WASN'T EVEN DESIGNED YET. TO THE POINT TO WHERE THEN IN LIKE IN FEBRUARY, GOING WHAT? WHAT IS THE RUSH? SO MY POINT IS NOT THAT WE THIS PROCESS IS AND GOT A CERTAIN ENGINEER OR CERTAIN CONSTRUCTION. MY POINT IS, IS WHEN YOU MAKE ASSUMPTIONS TODAY LIKE, HEY, WE'RE JUST APPROVING THIS, IT'S NOT A NOTHING'S LOCKING US IN.

THEN WE FIND OUT 3 OR 6 MONTHS LATER, OH WELL YEAH.

YOU KNOW THAT VOTE YOU GUYS DID.

AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO US ON THE KIRK TRACK.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO ME ON FRITZ WHEN I'M LIKE, HEY, ARE WE BIDDING THIS OUT? NOPE. JUST GETTING A COST ESTIMATE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO CONVEY TO YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO. THE ROOT PROBLEM OF IS WE KEEP MAKING DECISIONS WITH THESE HYPOTHETICAL LEADERS, AND THEN LATER ON, WHEN WE GET BIT STAFFS LIKE, WELL, YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS VOTED THAT WAY.

AND SO WE'RE JUST DOING WHAT WE SAID. AND I DON'T WANT A PROJECT COMING UP IN SIX MONTHS AND HEARING, WELL, WE HAVE TO GO WITH THESE GUYS BECAUSE WE ALREADY SIGNED THE CONTRACT AND YOU GUYS SAID IT WAS OKAY.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THIS? AND THEN I'M SITTING HERE GOING, THAT DAMN ROTATION LIST GOT US AGAIN.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO INSINUATE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY ANY MORE BLUNTER. I HAVEN'T LIKED THIS THING, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTEMPT TO DO IT.

AND. AND THE LAST THING ON SPEED.

WE JUST APPROVED. WHAT WAS IT? A MONTH AGO, WE APPROVED A WHOLE BUNCH OF CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT HAD TO HAPPEN BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER. WITH A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY THAT REPAVING DOWNTOWN.

THEY'RE DOING CARL STERN.

WASN'T THAT LIKE A MONTH AGO? WE DID THAT? YEAH, I THINK SO, YEAH. SO, SEE, WE APPROVED THE MONEY LAST OCTOBER AND THEN IN JULY WE'RE APPROVING IT. SO WE GOT PLENTY OF TIME TO BID THIS STUFF OUT OR DO THINGS IN A MANNER THAT'S NOT SPEEDY.

SO THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. WE GET INTO WE GET INTO SPEED AND THEN WE PICK UP STEAM IN MAY AND JUNE BECAUSE THAT'S THE END OF THE YEAR.

YOU GOT TO SPEND THE MONEY SO WELL IN THAT PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, THAT'S THAT'S ROAD MAINTENANCE.

THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT DESIGN AND STUFF.

AND WE DO ROAD MAINTENANCE GETS DONE THIS TIME OF YEAR BECAUSE IT'S THE WARMER TIME OF THE SEASON. AND THEY'RE AND WE'RE SHARING THEIR CONTRACT WITH OTHER CITIES.

SO WE'RE BUT YOU GET MY POINT.

THERE'S THINGS WE'RE RUSHING ON, THINGS THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A GUN IN OUR HEAD. BUT ANYWAY, ALL RIGHT, WE GOT TO GET THERE BEFORE MIDNIGHT. NO, I'M NOT DONE TALKING.

OKAY. SO SO AGAIN, THE EXAMPLES THAT THE MAYOR KEEPS BRINGING HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ROTATION LISTS. I GUESS MAYBE THAT'S WHY IT'S GOING OVER MY HEAD, BECAUSE I'M JUST HE'S WE'RE TALKING ROTATION LIST. AND THEN THERE'S EXAMPLES BEING SHARED THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ROTATION LISTS. I DON'T SEE THIS AS SPEED.

I SEE THIS AS EFFICIENCY AND USING THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE AT THE CITY WISELY,

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BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOU ARE A LIMITED RESOURCE AS OUR AS OUR LEAD ENGINEER, AND YOU HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES.

AND SO FOR US TO GO OUT AND DO THIS EVERY SINGLE TIME WOULD ADD BURDEN TO YOU, AND IT WOULD MAKE IT TO WHERE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DO LESS WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING ELSEWHERE. THIS AGAIN, TO MAKE IT CLEAR, AND WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU DIRECTLY AND THE CITY MANAGER, THIS IS NOT LOCK US INTO ANYTHING.

ALL THIS DOES IS MAKES IT MORE EFFICIENT FOR CITY STAFF WHO HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES ON ON LIMITED BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO USE YOUR RESOURCES AS WISELY AS YOU CAN.

I MEAN, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT, AND MAYBE MAYOR AND I WILL JUST HAVE TO SIT DOWN FOR LUNCH OR SOMETHING.

AND MAYBE WE'RE TALKING PAST EACH OTHER BECAUSE I JUST DON'T GET IT.

I DON'T GET WHAT THE WHAT THE ANGST IS OVER THIS BECAUSE THIS ISN'T LOCKING US INTO ANYTHING. AND SO REAL QUICK.

1113. THIS IS WHY I GET HASTE MAKES WASTE.

SO 1113 IS FOR APPRAISAL SERVICES.

DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHEN WE'RE DOING THAT? DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PEOPLE WE'RE HIRING? IT COMES TO RIGHT AWAY.

NO, I THINK THAT'S THE WHICH ONE ON HERE IS FOR LIKE, RIGHT OF WAY SERVICE. WE SPECIFICALLY DID NOT BRING FORWARD THE RIGHT OF WAY AGENTS THAT WE HAD ALREADY DONE INTERVIEWS WITH BECAUSE OF THE COUNCIL'S CHANGE.

WHENEVER YOU GUYS ARE DOING BUDGET TO SAY WE'RE AN ACQUISITION PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE'RE LIKE.

THAT ONE IS ONLY GOING TO BE USED IF WE DON'T HIRE A PERSON.

SO THAT LET'S SEE WHERE SEE WHAT I MEAN.

SEE THIS IS HASTE MAKES WASTE.

WE'RE MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT WE JUST HIRED.

WE JUST BUDGETED A PERSON TO TAKE THIS AWAY.

AND NOW WE'RE SO. SO I MEAN, WE'RE NOT EVEN READING THESE THINGS IN A MANNER, BUT WE'RE NOT HIRING THESE PEOPLE. ALL WE'RE DOING IS PUTTING THEM ON A LIST TO WHERE, IF WE NEED THEM, THEY CAN BE THERE. BUT IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE SIGNING A CONTRACT WITH THESE PEOPLE HERE SAYING WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO HIRE.

WE GUARANTEE WE'RE GOING TO HIRE YOU TO DO THIS WORK.

I MEAN, JUST WE'RE HIRING A PERSON SO THAT LATER ON WE CAN THEN HAVE A ROTATION LIST TO DO THE JOB WE JUST HIRED THE PERSON FOR.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S.

NO, WE WOULDN'T USE THE ROTATION LIST IF WE HIRE THE PERSON.

YOU'RE RIGHT. THEY'RE JUST LIKE, ALL RIGHT, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP YOU.

ULTIMATELY, IF THIS FAILS, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE BURDEN ON THE STAFF.

IT'S GOING TO BE MORE TIME.

AND I THINK THIS IS JUST LIKE, WELL, I MEAN, JUST I WILL SAY ONE THING TO LET ME LET ME CLARIFY.

SO WHEN I GOT HERE IN 2023, ON DAY ONE, I SAT DOWN WITH CITY MANAGER AND HE SAID, YOU HAVE THREE JOBS TO DO.

YOU NEED TO GET THE CIP MOVING AND IT NEEDS TO BE MOVING FAST.

YOU HAVE TO CLEAR THE BACKLOG OF PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FAST, AND YOU NEED TO BUILD AN ENGINEERING TEAM. SO I SAID, OKAY, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I THINK I HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO MOVE FAST.

SO WE PUT THE FIRST ROTATION LIST TOGETHER. WE BROUGHT IT TO YOU GUYS LATER IN 23.

ON OCTOBER OF 23, WE BROUGHT A BUNCH OF CONTRACTS TO YOU GUYS, AND WE WE MOVED FORWARD.

AND SO I'VE BEEN OPERATING AT THE FASTEST SPEED THAT I PHYSICALLY CAN OPERATE, AND I'VE BEEN PUSHING MY STAFF TO OPERATE AS FAST AS WE CAN PHYSICALLY OPERATE.

BUT IF THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL IS NOW THAT WE DON'T NEED TO KEEP MOVING THIS FAST, THAT'S MUSIC TO MY EARS, BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SLOW DOWN AND LET MY STAFF BREATHE.

BUT UNTIL TONIGHT, I WAS STILL OPERATING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE GOING AS FAST AS WE CAN HUMANLY GO.

AND I'LL JUST. WE'RE ABOUT TO FIND OUT WHAT THE DIRECTION IS.

YEAH, WE'RE ABOUT TO, BUT I JUST WANT TO I JUST WANT TO NOTE.

I JUST WANT TO NOTE. MY MY OPINION.

AND I KNOW IT WASN'T NECESSARILY ASKED, BUT THAT'S WHAT I SIT HERE FOR. IS THAT THE ROTATION LIST IS STILL NECESSARY, EVEN IF YOU WANT US TO SLOW DOWN.

AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS, IS BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE ONE REVIEW OF QUALIFICATIONS. THEY DID IT ALL AT ONCE.

SO IF WE THROW OUT THE ROTATION LIST, THEN WE GO AND WE DO IT EVERY SINGLE PROJECT FROM NOW FORWARD. NOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING MULTIPLE ITERATIONS.

IT TAKES THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME TO DO THE QUALIFICATIONS.

THEY DID IT ONCE. NOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT EVERY SINGLE TIME THERE'S A NEW PROJECT, AND THAT'S MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

SO EVEN IF YOU DO WANT US TO SLOW DOWN, WHICH I'M HAPPY TO HAVE STAFF SLOW DOWN, I STILL THINK THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD STILL BE THAT YOU DO ROTATION LIST AND THEN ARGUABLY MAYOR.

IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE EDC TO TAKE PROJECTS, I THINK WE WE LEVERAGE THAT WHENEVER IT MAKES SENSE.

SO I'VE GOT A QUESTION REGARDING THAT.

SO SINCE IT DOESN'T LOCK US INTO ANYTHING WHEN IT DOES COME TIME TO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMEBODY, DO YOU GO OUT FOR DO YOU DO RFP?

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HOW DOES THAT WORK? NO.

SO THE WAY, THE WAY THE ROTATION LIST TYPICALLY WORKS IS YOU KNOW, WE WE WILL GO AND WE WILL START ASSIGNING PROJECTS.

SAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ROAD PROJECTS. OKAY. SO WE WILL GO OUTSIDE ROAD A TO ENGINEER A AND ROAD B TO ENGINEER B, AND THEN THEY WILL COME BACK WITH.

HERE'S OUR FEE, HERE'S OUR SCHEDULE, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AND THEN MY STAFF AND I WILL SIT DOWN. WE'LL LOOK AT IT AND YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ONE THAT I SAID THAT THEY WERE MORE THAN DOUBLE WHAT THE RANGE WAS THAT I THOUGHT WAS REASONABLE. I WAS LIKE, NO, YOU'RE WAY OUT OF RANGE.

YOU NEED TO BRING IT DOWN TO HERE.

AND THEY WERE LIKE, I CAN'T GET THERE. AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO ENGINEER C.

AND SO THAT'S THE WAY IT NORMALLY WORKS.

NOW, IF IT GETS TO A POINT WHERE I'M LIKE, THIS IS A BIG PROJECT LIKE THE JUSTICE CENTER, AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE ANY OF THESE GUYS ARE GOOD ENOUGH, THEN THAT'S WHEN I'LL GO BACK AND TALK TO CITY MANAGER AND SAY, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST DO A STRAIGHT UP RFQ FOR THIS AND GO GET A DIFFERENT GROUP OF ENGINEERS SUBMITTING, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING SPECIAL.

RIGHT? THERE AREN'T A LOT OF TYPICAL ENGINEERING FIRMS THAT JUST DO JUSTICE CENTERS ALL THE TIME. IT'S KIND OF A SPECIALTY THING.

AND SO THAT KIND OF STUFF, AND I MEAN, A LOT OF THAT IS JUST RESTS ON MY GUT. HONESTLY, FOR ME TO JUST SAY, BASED ON MY PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST MOVE TO THE NEXT FIRM IN LINE AND I'LL DO MY BEST TO NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT. AND THEN WE BRING THE CONTRACT TO YOU GUYS, AND THEN YOU GUYS EITHER APPROVE IT OR DON'T APPROVE IT.

AND THEN I GO, OKAY, I GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD OR WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.

AND THEN SO FROM THERE WE WOULD PICK THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER.

CORRECT. ONCE IT GOES TO CONSTRUCTION THEN THEN DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT I DON'T LIKE AND I'VE NEVER LIKED DOING LOW BID PROJECTS.

CORRECT. BECAUSE I YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

I SAID LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER. YEAH, YEAH.

BECAUSE YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. AND SO I DO. THAT'S WHY I PUSH FOR CSPS COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSALS. SO THEY HAVE TO GIVE ME QUALIFICATIONS AND PRICE AND SCHEDULE AND ALL THOSE THINGS. AND THEN I CAN EVALUATE IT ALL AS ONE PACKAGE AND SAY, OKAY, THESE GUYS MAY NOT BE THE CHEAPEST, BUT THEIR PACKAGE LOOKS THE BEST AND THEIR EXPERIENCE LOOKS THE BEST IN ALL THESE THINGS. AND SO THESE ARE THE GUYS THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND. SO THEN THAT'S THE PERSON THAT WE BRING BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY WE WE SUGGEST YOU HIRE THIS CONTRACTOR. NOW FOR SOME PROJECTS.

LIKE I'VE SAID, IF IT'S A LOWER PRICED PROJECT WE DO LOW BID.

AND. UNFORTUNATELY SOMETIMES WE GET YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

YEAH. RIGHT. SO BASICALLY WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THE FINAL DECISION RESTS ON US.

YES. YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS HAVE THE FINAL DECISIONS ON EVERYTHING. I COULD I COULD GO STRAIGHT BY THE ORDER, I.

I COULD NOT USE ANY BRAIN POWER IN THIS THING.

AND I COULD GO STRAIGHT BY WHATEVER ORDER WE LISTED THESE GUYS IN AND SAY, PROJECT A GOES TO ENGINEER A, PROJECT B GOES TO ENGINEER B, AND THEN I BRING THEM TO YOU GUYS.

AND IF YOU GUYS JUST CARTE BLANCHE APPROVE EVERYTHING, THEN YOU'RE PUTTING A LOT OF FAITH IN ME, WHICH I APPRECIATE, BUT I DON'T RECOMMEND.

BECAUSE I'M I'M JUST AS HUMAN AS ANYBODY.

AND ANYBODY. AND I PROMISE YOU, I WILL SCREW SOMETHING UP. AND SO IN THE PROCESS, THESE ARE JUST THE ROTATION LISTS.

THEN THE NEXT AGENDA YOU'LL SEE A MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT, WHICH IS A FORM DOCUMENT THAT THEY ALL SIGN WITH SIMILAR TERMS. AND THEN THE MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT ALLOWS A TASK ORDER UNDER THE MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT. AND THAT'S WHAT MATT WILL BRING BACK TO COUNCIL.

SO IF THERE IS ONE OF THESE CONTRACTORS THAT COUNCIL HAS AN ISSUE WITH, AND MATT BRINGS THE TASK ORDER UNDER THE MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT BACK TO COUNCIL, THAT YOU CAN NOT APPROVE THAT IF YOU KNOW THAT CONTRACTOR OR THAT ENGINEERING FIRM HAS NOT BEEN ON TIME, ON BUDGET, OR HAS UNREASONABLE CHANGE ORDERS.

YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE IS THAT I THINK THE ISSUE IS WHAT DID THE FOUR OTHER PEOPLE WHO WOULD HAVE BID ON IT? WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE SAID? WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE BID? WELL, THAT'S WHAT MATT'S SAYING IS THAT HE HAS THE MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH THE PEOPLE ON THE ROTATION LIST. WHEN HE HAS THE TASK, HE GOES TO THE NEXT PERSON ON THE LIST.

IF THAT PERSON CAN'T DO IT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN HIS CONSTRAINTS AND HIS NEGOTIATING, THEN HE GOES TO THE NEXT ONE.

SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT HE JUST GIVES THEM A TASK ORDER UNDER THEIR MASTER CONTRACT. NO, I THINK WE ULTIMATELY WE ULTIMATELY APPROVE EVERYTHING.

WE JUST AS A COUNCIL APPROVE STUFF WITHOUT READING STUFF ALL THE TIME.

THAT'S BEEN A HISTORY.

I MEAN, WE JUST HAD AN ISSUE EARLIER TONIGHT WHERE WE WERE TO ADOPT A POLICY THAT WE HADN'T EVEN WE JUST GOT THEY LITERALLY DROPPED IT ON OUR DESK AND TEN MINUTES LATER WE'RE WANTING TO APPROVE IT. WE JUST DON'T READ THINGS.

AND SO WHEN YOU THAT'S FINE WHEN YOU'RE DOING LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO LIKE $280 MILLION SEWAGE PLANT OR A,

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YOU KNOW, A $4 MILLION ENGINEERING, I'M LIKE, NOT READING THESE THINGS.

IT BLOWS MY MIND AWAY.

AND TO ME, IT'S LIKE A PROTECTION OF THE TAXPAYER TO WHERE THE PUBLIC BIDDING WORKS SO WELL, EVERYBODY WOULD BE DOING IT.

BUT THERE'S A REASON THEY DON'T. AND I'M SURE THE REASON IS STATE LAWS ARE THE WAY THEY ARE, IS BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY HAVE WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? THE PEOPLE WHO GO OUT AND SPEND MONEY TO TRY TO THEY'VE PROBABLY GOT A LOBBY GROUP.

BUT ANYWAY, WE'LL SEE HOW THIS GOES AND WE'LL DEBATE IT NEXT WEEK.

AND EVERY PROJECT THAT COMES UP, I'M SURE THAT'S JUST WHAT WE DO NEXT WEEK, OUR NEXT MEETING. YOU'LL HAVE A LOT MORE OF THESE. BECAUSE IF IF THIS GETS APPROVED, THEN NOW I HAVE TO BRING BACK A SINGLE MSA FOR EVERY ONE OF THESE FIRMS. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

LET'S CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON.

AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

AYE. MAYOR. SNIDER. NAY.

COUNCIL MEMBER. GORDON.

AYE. I. MOTION PASSES SIX ONE.

NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 1125.

[11.25. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2025-228 accepting the public improvement district petition and calling for a public hearing on the creation of the Stromberg Public Improvement District. (Sara Cervantes)]

CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2025 228.

ACCEPTING THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT PETITION AND CALLING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CREATION OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.

THAT'S NOT READY, RIGHT? YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

WE PROVIDED A MEMO FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE ISSUES WAS WITH CALLING THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CREATE THIS BID.

AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IF THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO WANT TO HAVE A PIT CREATED, THAT HE CREATE THE PIT OVER THE AREA THAT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S ALREADY GOT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVED.

AND FOR THE NEXT AREA WHERE HE'S UNCERTAIN WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR INDUSTRIAL TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH THAT REQUEST WHEN HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO.

SO TO COME BACK AND LIKE REDRAW THE BOUNDARY, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? HE'S GOT THE LARGE PIT, BUT HE'S ONLY GOT ZONING FOR RESIDENTIAL OVER THE ENTIRE PIT.

OKAY. AND HE WANTS TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY IS WHAT HIS REQUEST WAS IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE'VE BEEN REVIEWING. BUT WHEN WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE ZONING, THE ZONING ON THE ENTIRE PIT IS RESIDENTIAL.

AND SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT HE COME BACK WITH THE RESOLUTION CALL, A PUBLIC HEARING ON ONLY THE PORTION OF THE AREA THAT'S ALREADY THAT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL UNDER THE UNDER THE PUD ORDINANCE AND ALONG WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.

SO WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT THE DEVELOPER TO COME BACK WITH THE REQUEST FOR THE PYD ONLY ON THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE HUD.

THAT'S IN LINE WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, AND ANYBODY OUT THERE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A CORRECTION.

CITY MANAGER JAMES, FOR THE RECORD, I HAVEN'T DONE THAT AT ALL TONIGHT. IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME. SO SORRY ABOUT THAT.

AND WE ALSO ACTUALLY THIS IS THE ONE THAT COUNCIL TOOK ACTION ON AND IN THE MOTION INDICATED THAT THAT THEIR OPTION WAS LIMITED TO WHAT.

CORRECT. SO IN I WANT TO SAY MARCH OR SOMETIME THE MINUTES SHOW THAT THEY PUT TWO OPTIONS IN THEIR PUD BUT ONLY ONE WAS APPROVED.

AND IT HAS A PORTION OF RESIDENTIAL.

THERE IS SOME COMMERCIAL.

AND THEN THE NORTH, THE MAJORITY OF THE NORTH SIDE OF THE TRACT WOULD BE LEFT FOR INDUSTRIAL. AND SO THAT'S HOW THE PUD IS APPROVED.

THEY DO NOT HAVE A PRELIMINARY PLAT. THEY HAVE ONE SUBMITTED BUT NOT APPROVED YET EITHER. AND IT DOES FOLLOW THAT THE OPTION TWO THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.

THIS IS WHERE WE APPROVED IT ONE WAY, BUT THE DOCUMENT WE ENDED UP SIGNING WAS A DIFFERENT WAY, RIGHT? SO THE DOCUMENT STILL SHOWS BOTH OPTIONS.

IT WAS APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT ONLY OPTION TWO WAS GOING TO BE ALLOWED, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IF THEY COULD NOT MARKET IT IN THAT WAY, THAT THEY COULD COME BACK AND ASK FOR A REDO. WE DID NOT GET A SECOND DOCUMENT FROM THERE, THE DEVELOPER OR THE DEVELOPER'S REPRESENTATIVES. WE LEFT IT IN THERE WITH THE MINUTES ATTACHED TO THE FRONT OF THAT PUD ORDINANCE THAT JUST SAYS THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO DO OPTION TWO, BUT IT WAS CLEAR IN THE MOTION AND ON THE VIDEO THAT IF THEY COULD NOT MARKET IT THE WAY THAT IT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, THEY NEEDED TO COME BACK AND HAVE THAT PUD RENEGOTIATED AND POTENTIALLY HAVE OPTION NUMBER ONE, AND THAT WOULD WORK.

BUT SO WE LEFT BOTH OPTIONS IN THERE WITH THE ABILITY THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE APPROVED FOR RIGHT NOW. YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IF YOU WANT TO DO OPTION ONE IF YOU WANTED TO CHANGE IT. CORRECT. OKAY. AND YOU WANT US TO DIRECT THEM TO COME BACK WITH DOCUMENTS TO MAKE THE PIT DISTRICT JUST BE ON THE SOUTHERN PART.

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THE RESIDENTIAL ONLY. THAT'S A DOTTED QUESTION.

YES. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT WE RECOMMENDED IN OUR MEMO.

AND YOU DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE? OH, YEAH. THIS IS JACQUELINE.

JACQUELINE HALE. SHE'S BART TODAY.

SHE'S THE BART. OH, NOT NOT REPRESENTATIVE FOR THEM.

REPRESENTATIVE FOR US? YEAH.

SHE'S. SO YOU CAN ASK IF THAT THE REASONS WHY THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE OR WHATEVER.

YEAH. NO, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, LIKE, I'M REALLY CONFUSED ON THIS ONE BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE IT GOT MESSED UP. BUT SOMEHOW WE'RE TRYING TO. AND THEY WANT TO GO RESIDENTIAL. THE WHOLE THING NOW, ARE THEY STILL WANT THEIR OPTION FOR THE WHOLE DEAL? THEY DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

THEY JUST WANT TO CREATE THE BID AND GET THAT GOING ON THE WHOLE AREA.

BUT THEY. SO HERE'S WHAT I THINK.

YEAH. BUT I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK THEY'RE STILL PLAYING THE ANGLE OF EVERYTHING BEING RESIDENTIAL, EVEN THOUGH COUNCIL DIRECTED THAT ONLY HALF COULD BE RESIDENTIAL AND THE OTHER HALF NEEDED TO BE THE OTHER THING. SO BY DOING A PETITION WITH EVERYTHING BEING RESIDENTIAL, THEY STILL HAVE THAT THAT THAT CARD LEFT TO PLAY I THINK.

SO THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY SUBMITTED IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT.

THEY WANT TO RETAIN THAT FLEXIBILITY AND THERE'S NOT A WAY TO THEY HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

AND IN ORDER TO ISSUE PITT BONDS, WE HAVE TO DO A SEPARATE FINANCING AGREEMENT.

AND THE DOCUMENTS THAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED TO US, THEY'RE TRYING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO DO BOTH.

BUT WHEN YOU CREATE A PITT, YOU REALLY NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOUR GOING TO CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TELL THE PUBLIC THAT YOUR REASONS WHY YOU'RE CREATING THIS PITT. AND SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T CREATE A PITT ON THE WHOLE THING AND THEN AND THEN THEN COME BACK IN THREE MONTHS AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO INDUSTRIAL ON THE NORTH SIDE, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THE PROCESS FOR IT TO BE A RESIDENTIAL PED.

RIGHT. AND, JACQUELINE, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN I HAVE AS FAR AS WHEN WE CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAVE TO PUT SPECIFIC NOTICES IN THE NEWSPAPER AND WE CAN'T NOTICE SOMETHING WHERE THEY SAY, WELL, IT COULD BE THIS OR IT COULD BE THAT.

WELL, THAT'S RIGHT, YOU'LL YOU'LL HAVE TO INCLUDE THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, WHAT THAT WILL INCLUDE IN THE PIT. AND THEN THE PIT PETITION WILL ALSO INCLUDE THE BOUNDARIES. SO I BELIEVE THEY'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED A PETITION.

SO YOU ARE RIGHT. THEY'LL HAVE TO RESUBMIT DIFFERENT BOUNDARIES.

IF IT'S ONLY ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE BEFORE IT'S ACCEPTED BY THE CITY.

CORRECT? WE WOULD WE WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION TO DIRECT THE DEVELOPER TO COME BACK WITH CREATING THE PIT ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION FOR THE RESIDENTIAL ONLY.

SO MOVED. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

I'LL SECOND IT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON.

COUNCIL MEMBER. KING. AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. GORDON. AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. MAURICE.